From: mark reed Subject: (kw) TEE cover Date: 24 Jul 1998 04:59:40 +0100 Has anybody heard a cover of Trans Europa Express by Anthony Rotter? It's meant to be brilliant... -- mark reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Terrebonne Subject: (kw) FS: Concert Classics & KW2 Date: 01 Aug 1998 06:28:33 -0700 (PDT) I have the following original CDs for sale: Concert Classics - $15 If you can't get it here's your chance... Kraftwerk 2 - $20 Germanofon release. Excellent quality... Or buy both for $30... Buyer pays $2 per CD shipping... US buyers only please... Thanx, Doug # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Dreiklangsdimensionen" Date: 01 Aug 1998 16:32:41 +0000 The German TV channel Bayerischer Rundfunk will be repeating the video show "Dreiklangsdimensionen" from 1982 on the following dates: part 1: 21.08.1998, 00:10 CET part 2: 28.08.1998, 00:15 CET. I'm not absolutely sure, but AFAIR the show includes the Kraftwerk promo videos for "Trans-Europa Express" and "Die Roboter", as well as Rheingold clips for "Fan Fan Fanatisch" and "Augenblick" (both co-written by Emil Schult). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Rammstein Date: 01 Aug 1998 16:36:03 +0000 The new Rammstein CD single "Stripped" (Motor 044 141-2) contains a Kraftwerk-inspired "Tribute to Duesseldorf Mix" by Charlie Clouser. Rammstein have also released a box set with their first six singles, included their cover version of Kraftwerk's "Das Model". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Lauschangriff" bootleg Date: 01 Aug 1998 16:42:42 +0000 There seems to be a new Kraftwerk 2-CD bootleg out, titled "Lauschangriff". Does anyone have any more infos (content etc.)? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in the German Press Date: 01 Aug 1998 16:47:55 +0000 The August issues of the German magazines Spex and Raveline feature brief reviews of Kraftwerk's recent concerts in Barcelona (Spex) and Roskilde (Raveline). No photos. Also, the Raveline encyclopedia "Techno Lexikon" (written by Sven Schaefer, Jesper Schaefers & Dirk Waltmann, ISBN 3-89602-142-7) has a few pages on Kraftwerk, including a live photo from their Tribal Gathering show. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) [242RANTS] Kraftwerk live op Studio Brussel (fwd) Date: 01 Aug 1998 16:49:26 +0000 > volgende maandag 27/07 tussen 23 en 24 uur live op studio brussel > in het programma "liever live": Kraftwerk en Appolo 440. Has anyone listened to this? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) What has changed? Date: 01 Aug 1998 16:50:14 +0000 > Anybody knows if Wolgang Fluer met with KW for its appearance in > direct in Tribal Gathering 97? No, Wolfgang Fluer wasn't at the Tribal Gathering. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Talbert Subject: (kw) Re: Computer World from Tribal Gathering+ Date: 01 Aug 1998 08:02:10 -0400 >>> Is there any kind soul out there who could hook me up with a copy of "Computer World" from the Tribal Gathering? Andrew _Depeche_@msn.com http://www.thegrid.net/jtworld/depeche/ ICQ# 11490225 <<< Hello. Since I have been tied up with lots of other projects (including a new Efofex CD), I still have the TG '97 broadcast available in MP3. Go here: http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/activek.html Just download the ZIP file containing the links to the audio files. Cut and paste these into your browser if you don't feel like typing. Since I see there is STILL demand for this data, I suppose it makes sense to leave it up for a couple more weeks :-) But I again request that you DO NOT link to these files directly!! BTW: Anyone interested in a sneak peek of the upcoming Efofex CD, travel to: http://www.efofex.simplenet.com/ and find the tiny f(x) symbol. This will take you to the secret room where unreleased tracks frequently appear and dissapear. Kindest regards, -John ______________________________________________________________ The Electronica of Efofex - "All presets must DIE!" http://efofex.simplenet.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@technologist.com (Jules Seifert) Subject: (kw) Trainspotting.... Date: 01 Aug 1998 18:41:02 GMT During the 'Murray and Martin' formula 1 show tonight, UK viewers were = treated to a generous snippet of 'It's more fun to Compute' whilst showing = various drivers attempting to remain on the Hockenheim Circuit. ;-) I must get out more.......... Jungle Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Wendorff Subject: (kw) kraftwerk mp3s Date: 01 Aug 1998 15:42:40 -0400 Does anyone know where I could get Autobahn, the 20+ min version, in MP3 format? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) "Lauschangriff" bootleg Date: 01 Aug 1998 15:47:19 EDT On Sat, 1 Aug 1998 16:42:42 +0000 "Klaus Zaepke" writes: > > >There seems to be a new Kraftwerk 2-CD bootleg out, titled >"Lauschangriff". >Does anyone have any more infos (content etc.)? > >Thanks, > Klaus Zaepke > > well, its not really new...ive had my copy for a good 3 months now...double cd, very professional looking, disc 0ne is bristol 91, and disc two has the encores and over 60 minutes of "rarities" (7", different country edits, etc etc) not a bad item... tom w np: teardrop explodes = guilford 1981 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ICalder Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk live review in 'The Wire' Date: 01 Aug 1998 16:06:34 -0400 May already have been mentioned; in case it hasn't... There is a live review of Kraftwerk's apearance at = 'Sonar 98' in the August edition (issue 174) of the UK = music magazine 'The Wire' And... Blatant plug; = I have updated the Aktivitaet Online webiste with some more articles = from past issues of the Aktivitaet fanzine. Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: (kw) bootleg bonus tracks Date: 01 Aug 1998 21:17:18 +0100 (BST) QUick question: "Vor dem Blauen Bock" (aka Truckstop Gondelero// Stratovarious live&rewerked) is a bonus track on the CD "bootleg" (yet widely stocked in chain stores around the country...) of TONE FLOAT. Were there bonus tracks on some of the (non Germanofon) bootleg CD versions of KRAFTWERK, KRAFTWERK @ and RALF UND FLORIAN? What were they? DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) The Voice Of Energy Date: 01 Aug 1998 19:17:04 EDT In a message dated 7/29/98 11:13:37 PM, you wrote: <> Ummm. I have the video for this song. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Henderson" Subject: (kw) Re: Concert Classics Date: 01 Aug 1998 22:54:20 -0600 FYI -- Anyone in the USA or Canada, I ordered and promptly received my Concert Classics CD from: http://sirencd.com It was $15.99 plus shipping. Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: (kw) The Wire Date: 02 Aug 1998 15:30:22 +0900 Hi all, British music magazine "The Wire" (August 1998) has a review of Sonar Festival, with report writing and colour pics of Kraftwerk show. page 78-. Regards, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: (kw) Kraftwork Date: 02 Aug 1998 15:30:14 +0900 Hi all, Does anybody know anything about Kraftwork? (I mean work, not werk) Their "Nu School Elektro 2" (Millenium-UK) is introduced in a British mag "wax magazine" (August 1998, page 66), togwther with four German guys with red shirt & black tie. ;-) Regards, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "depeche" <_depeche_@email.msn.com> Subject: (kw) New Release? Date: 02 Aug 1998 00:13:39 -0700 I found this at AB-CD, any Ideas? Anyone Seen this? Kraftwerk Computersinfonien (Live 10/18/97) (Dbl) + 4 Extra Tracks KWERKCOM KWERKCOMP2CDQ Germany 06/19/98 - 2 CD Set Andrew _Depeche_@msn.com http://www.thegrid.net/jtworld/depeche/ ICQ# 11490225 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BLANKS Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwork Date: 02 Aug 1998 16:48:47 +0900 Hello, Boys and Girls! >Does anybody know anything about Kraftwork? >(I mean work, not werk) and also we can find as following records on "techno" classified table of on-line music shop TOTAL RECALL Klangwerk CD5" Warte Bis Es Dunkel Ist >EUR $11.37 / 19,90DM 12" Die Kybernauten >EUR $11.37 / 19,90DM Does anyone have any futher informations about this band or unit? thanks, Sakura from Tokyo Japan UNE PLACE SUR LA TERRE COMME AU CIEL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) Concert Classics Date: 31 Jul 1998 09:38:31 +0200 Are you interested in Concert Classics? I can get it. Email me! DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sergio Bayarri Gausi Subject: Re: (kw) New Release? Date: 02 Aug 1998 13:12:23 +0200 (MET DST) Hello! > I found this at AB-CD, any Ideas? > Anyone Seen this? > > Kraftwerk > Computersinfonien (Live 10/18/97) (Dbl) + 4 Extra Tracks > KWERKCOM KWERKCOMP2CDQ Germany > 06/19/98 - 2 CD Set It's a bootleg. Here's the full info (provided by Gerd Ohlweiler) : 1. Intro 0:17 2. Nummern / Numbers 4:10 3. Computerwelt 3:08 4. It's More Fun To Compute / Heimcomputer 7:10 5. Die Mensch-Maschine / The Man-Machine 8:05 6. Tour de France 6:42 7. Autobahn 12:27 8. Utherwellen / Innovation I 10:20 9. Radioaktivitat 8:07 10. Innovation II 5:09 Disc 2 1. Trans Europa Express / Abzug / Metall Auf Metall 9:26 2. Taschenrechner 10:05 3. Die Roboter 4:57 4. The Robots 4:27 5. Innovation III 6:16 6. Boing Boom Tschak / Techno Pop / Musique Non Stop 10:41 Bonus Tracks: 7. Radioactivity (w. orbit remix) 7:23 8. The Robots (ultimix) 9:15 9. Musique Non Stop (Single Version) 10. Trans Europe Express (single version) 4:00 The usual ZKM bootleg, similar to "ZKM" (LYCDE 7997622-2) but "Computersinfonien" being a soundboard recording. The sound is better and you don't hear the audience talking. But the intro is not complete and all the longer breaks at the shows are cut out. Greetings, Sergio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amigaforever@worldnet.att.net (Jerry Withers) Subject: (kw) JBV is getting on my nerves!!!!! Date: 02 Aug 1998 14:24:08 JBV, would you please just leave us alone and let us enjoy the music! I could hardly care less about your "research" I don`t beleve I am alone here either Jerry Regards, # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amigaforever@worldnet.att.net (Jerry Withers) Subject: Re: (kw) Probably in the minority here... Date: 02 Aug 1998 14:23:37 I totally agree with you. You have obviously seen the light! On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 05:36:34 -0400 you wrote to me about (kw) Probably in the minority here... > > Hello all... > > I've been reading the "constructive criticism" posts about kraftwerk... > "Boy, I really feel like a dork, since I kinda like listening to them > and don't put a great deal of thought into whether or not R&F move too Regards, # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amigaforever@worldnet.att.net (Jerry Withers) Subject: Re: (kw) The Kraftwerk Show was dull... (?) Date: 02 Aug 1998 14:23:55 On Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:36:09 +0000 you wrote to me about Re: (kw) The Kraftwerk Show was dull... (?) > > aaron wrote: > > > > JBV sounds like an alienated fan trying his utmost to be the > > spoil sport for the rest of us who actually *like* the band and what they > > have done. It seems that he has gotten that wonderful critic mentality where > > everything's crap that's not Scottish, and it's painfully easy to be a > > critic and say that everything is shit. Oh, look at me, you all enjoy this > > so I will refute it because *I* am the Kraftwerk master, and *I* have seen > > them 1,734 times, and *I* know what they *used to be like when they were > > good* (insert gruff indignant sigh here). > > Are you sure that caricaturing other people's statements is the best > way to build a constructive discussion ? > > > > Sure, they *could* wear space age interactive gear and play everything live, > > and let the audience put their grubby thieving mitts all over their studio, > > but the simple fact is that they don't. Another simple fact is that for many > > of us, it simply doesn't matter. > > Mmmh...Pocket Calculator was one of the key concepts of the CW tour > (which is basically the same today regarding the set-list, the imagery > and the show itself). Back then, R&F used to spend lots of time > explaining that pocket instruments were THE way to go to make music in > the future. The fact that they invited the audience to press a few > buttons was indeed meaningful. > But these days, it only looks like a cheesy evocation of their glorious > past, like they do in was museums or in Lenin's mausoleum on the Red > Square. > > > > Kraftwerk is seen as a technological > > breakthrough band by many, and that's great. But what they have done, > > effectively, is to popularize electronic music. If not by themselves, then > > through other musicians. How many of the current electronic bands, or those > > in the 80s, would say during interviews that they listened to Kraftwerk when > > they we re impressionable? Andy McKlusky. Jim Kerr. Gary Numan. Trent Reznor. > > Paul Robb. The list would go on forever. KW has made a marked impression on > > the direction that electronic music has taken. > > It's not electronic music IMO. Only cheesy techno for aparachiks and > go-go's. > > > > So, with that in mind, why are you still looking for KW to be the pioneer? > > They've already pioneered it, defined it, mastered it. They are simply > > building upon a concept that they have popularized on. And you know what, > > tons of other bands are doing the same thing. Why would you think that they > > will break the next wave of music / technology / whatever? They won't. I > > would say that one monumental achievement, in the truest sense of the word > > monumental, in one lifetime is pretty damn impressive. I mean, come on,.. > > they're 50. > > Lots of very interesting "serious" composers of emusic achieved major > works when they were way over 50s (Stockhausen, Parmegiani, Henry, > Bayle, etc.). > > > > I personally thought that they put on a hell of a show, and don't feel > > slighted in the least that I didn't get to touch the Pocket Calculator. From > > the balcony, it's a difficult thing, really. I only saw them once (Detroit), > > and it was a fantastic experience. The visual choreography, imagery, That does it. I am setting my mailer to delete any mail with "jbv" in it. I have had enough of this. Regards, # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) Probably in the minority here... Date: 02 Aug 1998 19:40:30 +0100 were the hell have you been for the last three months Jerry? JBV left us ages ago... jon alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: (kw) New Bootleg? Date: 03 Aug 1998 06:44:49 +1000 I saw this today. KRAFTWERK / AUTOBAHN TOUR '75 (CRCL-4035) 2625yen No other details available. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: (kw) New Tribute Releases Date: 03 Aug 1998 06:43:22 +1000 Two new cover version CD's I saw recently: At www.cdnow.com Various Artists - Basskraft: A Tribute To Kraftwerk Release Date: 09/08/98 Track Listing 01. Trans-Europe Express 02. Robots, The 03. Computer World 04. Pocket Calculator 05. Numbers 06. Computer Love 07. Home Computer 08. It's More Fun To Compute 09. Beat, The 10. Digital World, A 11. Musique Non-Stop 12. Tour De France 13. Autobahn And a japanese CD: 9/23-VA / KRAFTWERK TRIBUTE (TOCT-10455) 2548yen =feat. Hikasyu, Takkyu Ishino, Satoru Ono(Meiwa Denki), Buffalo Daughter, Fukuma(P-model)/ Y. Yamashita/ M. Inoue/ T. Nakano/ Melt Banana etc. = produced by Koichi Makigami Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: Re: (kw) New Bootleg? Date: 03 Aug 1998 07:22:37 +1000 > I saw this today. > > KRAFTWERK / AUTOBAHN TOUR '75 (CRCL-4035) 2625yen > > No other details available. I have just been advised that this is the japanese version of the Concert Classics CD, out in Sept. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: (kw) concert classics Date: 02 Aug 1998 22:40:31 +0100 (BST) Slightly off topic: someone mentioned on the list that there are a few other of these Concert Classics CDs out, specifically a Roxy Music one. Do you know if it's from '71 - '73 (ie has Brian Eno on it), since no live stuff from this exciting analogue period in Roxy's history has been released previously. DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Spedding Subject: (kw) RH training Date: 02 Aug 1998 22:17:05 +0100 A while ago, when the debate was raging about Kraftwerk improvising, I added that it was a cruel expectation as they were classical musicians and such people aren't reknowned for their improvisation. Someone emailed back that Ralph actually studied architecture, not music. Bussy, on the other hand states that he studied electronic organ at the Dusseldorf Conservatory, which is where he met Florian. Does anyone know if he did both, neither or either? -- Philip Spedding # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) concert classics Date: 02 Aug 1998 23:05:08 +0100 There was a (very unfavourable) review of this 'concert classic' in August 98's Q Mag -- apparently the quality of the recording is appalling! The performance is from 1979 and not much better... Unfortunately not Roxy Music at their best. jon alsbury dave: > Slightly off topic: someone mentioned on the list that there are a few >other of these Concert Classics CDs out, specifically a Roxy Music one. > Do you know if it's from '71 - '73 (ie has Brian Eno on it), since no >live stuff from this exciting analogue period in Roxy's history has been >released previously. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) concert classics Date: 02 Aug 1998 23:20:34 +0100 (BST) On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Jon Alsbury wrote: > > There was a (very unfavourable) review of this 'concert classic' in August > 98's Q Mag -- apparently the quality of the recording is appalling! The > performance is from 1979 and not much better... Unfortunately not Roxy > Music at their best. > > jon alsbury Oh dear... that's a shame. I know such early material exists because there's a 20 second clip of them palying Virginia Plain live on the TOTAL RECALL video, and it cuts from the studio version to the live version just as Eno plays his sawtooth solo, and he's wearing these silver sequin gloves and it goes *ever* so phasey.... ...drool... sorry... back to 'werk. DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) RH training Date: 02 Aug 1998 23:26:37 +0100 > A while ago, when the debate was raging about Kraftwerk improvising, I > added that it was a cruel expectation as they were classical musicians > and such people aren't reknowned for their improvisation. This is actually false. Classical music performers are usually required to improvise. Music from the baroque period is largely notated only with figured bass, and (usually) keyboard performers must fill all the gaps just in time with something that both respects the figure notation and is "interesting." >From roughly Mozart onwards only has notation grew in detail and performers weren't given any space to improvise. But this is not a proof of their lack of improvisation skill. Check the recordings by Trevor Pinnock, Ton Koopman and Simon Preston, for instance. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) RH training Date: 02 Aug 1998 23:43:55 +0100 (BST) On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Paulo Mouat wrote: > This is actually false. Classical music performers are usually required > to improvise. Music from the baroque period is largely notated only > with figured bass, and (usually) keyboard performers must fill all the > gaps just in time with something that both respects the figure notation > and is "interesting." > > >From roughly Mozart onwards only has notation grew in detail and > performers weren't given any space to improvise. But this is not a > proof of their lack of improvisation skill. Check the recordings by > Trevor Pinnock, Ton Koopman and Simon Preston, for instance. Hey, there's improvising and there's *improvising*... The point is that the vast majority of classical musicians are brow-beaten & humiliated into playing the music exactly the way their teacher / examiner/ conductor wants, or else it's "not valid" and they get a bollocking. This intimidation starts from the moment they start playing, as a child, and by the time most reach their teens, they've either given up music in misery, or are good little score-following automatons. Only a very very very few have the flair to reach beyond this. The situation with rock musicians is entirely different, since there is no teacher or conductor: the band police themselves according to their own tastes, and being "innovative" is widely held to be a virtue. Classical musicians have a far greater tendancy to think "am I playing it right?", even when improvising, they will think "oh, I must be in *this* key, I must use *these* rhythms. Rock musicians frequently don't even know what keys are, so they just use their ears. I know this is a gross generalisation, but it is very broadly true. Go pick someone out of an orchestra and ask them to just "jam" with a rock band, and see how far they get, on average... DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Walton" Subject: (kw) Bootleg / Remix CD's Date: 03 Aug 1998 00:12:14 +0100 Hi all On my travels around Manchester at the weekend I picked up 3 Kraftwerk CD's. The 1st on was the 2CD Lauschangriff Bootleg, which contains a concert from Dusseldorf 91 + 7"/12" tracks. This above CD has been mentioned many times on the list. However I'm wondering if the other 2 have been discussed, or if anyone has got them. They are :- 1. Kraftwerk - Ultra Rare Trax 2. Kraftwerk - Schone Neue Welt. Both Cd's contain remixes of classic Kraftwerk tracks. Both Cd's have 11 tracks each and contain some interesting renditions. CD 2 also contains a CD copy of HousePhone, the classic remix found on the Telephone Call 12". I would be interested to here other peoples comments and if anyone has any questions then don't hesitate to contact me. Catch you later Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) RH training Date: 03 Aug 1998 00:30:01 +0100 David Davis wrote: > > The point is that the vast majority of classical musicians are > brow-beaten & humiliated into playing the music exactly the way their > teacher / examiner/ conductor wants, Wrong. Your putting it in a completely different context. Again, check some baroque works and you'll see that this is not true. Of course, in a romantic orchestra there's little space for improvisation, there's a bigger objective to be sought. Still, there's enough space for innovation and that's why there are good and bad renderings of the works. > or else it's "not valid" and they get a bollocking. This intimidation > starts from the moment they start playing, as a child, and by the time > most reach their teens, they've either given up music in misery, or > are good little score-following automatons. This is quite untrue, at least in this "a -> b" fashion. Obviously, there will always be good and bad musicians. You are only referring to the latter. > Classical musicians have a far greater tendancy to think "am I > playing it right?", even when improvising, they will think "oh, I must > be in *this* key, I must use *these* rhythms. And is this bad? Go ask any *good* jazz player if he doesn't know exactly what key he is in and what rhythms he should be playing and when should he leave the soloing for another performer. > Go pick someone out of an orchestra and ask them to just "jam" with a > rock band, and see how far they get, on average... Again, wrong premise. Go pick any first violinist or orchestra soloist performer and ask him to "jam" and he will, if he is fluent in the details of rock music. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) RH training Date: 03 Aug 1998 00:46:05 +0100 (BST) Well, Paulo, I don't really agree at all! I do think that the hierarchical organisation of the orchestra robs classical musicians of their individuality and ability to trust themselves to improvise, and that's based on my many experiences of dealing with classical musicians, from school to university music departments, to professional orchestras. What can I say? To me it's a valid generalisation which fits my experiences. You've obviously just met some cooler classical musicians than I have! My technical playing skills are apalling, but I use taste and technology to make great music. No classical musician would ever dare to do that. They're musical self-esteem is based on how fast they can wiggle their fingers and follow a score, in the vast majority of cases. DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amigaforever@worldnet.att.net (Jerry Withers) Subject: (kw) previous mails Date: 02 Aug 1998 22:33:37 ng On Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:40:30 +0100 you wrote to me about Re: (kw) Probably in the minority here... > > were the hell have you been for the last three months Jerry? JBV left us > ages ago... > > jon alsbury Sorry, those where messages that were in my outbox that never got send and now they did. Please disregard them! Jerry Regards, # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) RH training Date: 03 Aug 1998 03:52:59 +0100 David Davis wrote: > > I do think that the hierarchical organisation of the orchestra The question is, what orchestra? In a romantic orchestra I can understand your reasoning, although I cannot accept such a generalization. There are still performers, particularly those with active soloist career, that can improvise. In a baroque orchestra, your argument fails completely. The performers I mentioned earlier are some of the best examples in the world. In an orchestra for 20th century music, your argument is not applicable, accounting for the large amount of improvisational repertoire. Obviously, improvisation is not something that comes with a degree in music performance. It is something you study and practice and is an extension to the ordinary education in playing an instrument. Most performers may not be required to improvise, but, again, that does not show they can't. > robs classical musicians of their individuality I can't accept this statement. They are part of a bigger whole. I wonder what a rock music band with 80 or 90 musicians would sound like if all of them started to improvise at the same time. > and ability to trust themselves to improvise, They are not required to improvise in those circumstances. It does not smother their ability to do so--but they can still perform well if they're not good at improvisation. > and that's based on my many experiences of dealing with classical > musicians, from school to university music departments, to > professional orchestras. Your experience should also tell you that you are judging from a very narrow viewpoint, exclusively that of the romantic orchestra and repertoire, where improvisation is not fostered. Improvisation ability does indeed require you to know more than the very basics of composition, particularly harmony and counterpoint, and developing an awareness of where you are in the flow of the music. I can accept that not every musician has gone through this education, but then he is most assuredly bound to be confined to a local orchestra and surely is not representative of the world-class musician-performer. > My technical playing skills are apalling, but I use taste and > technology to make great music. No classical musician would ever dare > to do that. At the risk of sounding pedantic, there are a number of ensembles that excel at such activities; Ensembles Modern, InterContemporain, Recherche and Contrechamps are only a few of the most renowned in the world with the best individual musicians. I have seen quite a number of performances with and without live-electronics (which is a subgenre that has plenty of works for improvised parts) with these ensembles and where improvisation is required, they're absolutely up to the task. > They're musical self-esteem is based on how fast they can wiggle their > fingers and follow a score, in the vast majority of cases. "The vast majority of cases" is the local/neighbourhood/university orchestra with popular repertoire and without world-class musicians who are primarily worried with getting it right. And to bring it back to Ralf Huetter and Florian Schneider, I do think they are capable of improvisation should the need arise. The first pre-Autobahn albums have an improvisational character. Their later output may not be improvisational but that is a question of the particular style of these albums and their own stance, which precludes a freer kind of music. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) kraftwerk mp3s Date: 03 Aug 1998 09:02:35 +0200 Really! Using MP3 to distribute unofficial material might be ok, but not records you still can get from the record shop. Go buy the record! /Joakim PS. If it's hard to get a copy in your country, check http://www.boxman.se (130 SEK) or http://www.hotstuff.se -----Original Message----- Does anyone know where I could get Autobahn, the 20+ min version, in MP3 format? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Bootleg / Remix CD's Date: 03 Aug 1998 05:35:13 EDT I got both Ultra Rare Trax & Schoene Neue Welt and find them appalling and embarrassing. They are an unfortunate example of the dross that can be produced when under- resourced and under-talented insensitive halfwits get hold of 8-bit samplers (Amigas ?) and re-interpret proifessionally produced music without any recourse to originality. The purveyors of these bootlegs should be taken outside and shot. Several times. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) "Lauschangriff" bootleg Date: 03 Aug 1998 16:59:48 +0200 (DFT) > On my travels around Manchester at the weekend I picked up 3 Kraftwerk CD's. > The 1st on was the 2CD Lauschangriff Bootleg, which contains a concert from > Dusseldorf 91 Does it include the computer crash between "Nummern" and "Computerwelt", or is it the same recording as on the "Rebuilt in '92" bootleg? > + 7"/12" tracks. Could you (or somebody else) please post a detailed list of these 7" and 12" tracks? Thanks in advance, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) The Voice Of Energy Date: 03 Aug 1998 17:03:03 +0200 (DFT) > < voice... > >> > > Ummm. I have the video for this song. Are you sure that it is an original Kraftwerk video, or could it be "unauthorized" TV footage that uses "The Voice of Energy" as background noise? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) RH training Date: 03 Aug 1998 17:21:41 +0200 (DFT) > A while ago, when the debate was raging about Kraftwerk improvising, I > added that it was a cruel expectation as they were classical musicians > and such people aren't reknowned for their improvisation. Not at all. Improvisation/Variation is even a genre on it's own in classical music. > Someone emailed back that Ralph actually studied architecture, not > music. > Bussy, on the other hand states that he studied electronic organ at the > Dusseldorf Conservatory, which is where he met Florian. This appears to be one of the many mistakes in Bussy's book. Most German sources state that they actually met during improvisation (!) lessons at the Akademie Remscheid. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Rusbridge" Subject: (kw) FHM September Issue Date: 03 Aug 1998 22:36:05 +0100 Werkers, Anyone seen page 234 of this months FHM? Time to check out Raf Simons latest collection. Prefer the shots of Yasmine Bleeth myself! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Bootleg / Remix CD's Date: 04 Aug 1998 04:13:09 EDT Jon, You've heard those records. Now I don't know whether anyone present hear had anything to do with them... but they are absoloutely APPALLING. You gotta be with me on this one ! To take a rounded and complete composition and to just graft on "subsonics" (as the sleeve notes to Ultra Rare Trax promise) that turn out to be horrendously mid-rangey (digital ?) 'bass'-kicks and have the nerve to inflict the un-EQed result on the public is IMHO a hanging offence. It's not as if Kraftwerk material wouldn't be easy enough to sample and reprogramme straight from commercially available CD - their arrangements are so spacey and notwithstanding the frequently suspect recording quality (loads of lovely analogue hiss) are a remixers dream. Individual drum, bass and fx sounds crop up all over the place, are all instantly identifiable as KW and could be re-arranged on Cubase without any problems and with a great deal more "sensitivity" and creativity than the C64 halfwits who shat all over Ultra Rare Trax and Schoene Neue Welt. AND - it's not as if commercially available home recording equipment (even going back 6 or 7 years) wouldn't permit one to do a better job that most of what appears on these disks... even on one of those Amstrad midi-systems with built in 4 track (appeared in about 86 - 87 ?) and using say an ST with 8-bit Replay cartridge. BTW - Do you think the Sex Objekt 'demo' on Schoene Neue Welt is genuine ? I can't quite work it out. It sounds very... Casio. Karl. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Marcus Fjellström" Subject: SV: (kw) RH training Date: 03 Aug 1998 19:55:30 +0200 >> Someone emailed back that Ralph actually studied architecture, not >> music. >> Bussy, on the other hand states that he studied electronic organ at the >> Dusseldorf Conservatory, which is where he met Florian. > >This appears to be one of the many mistakes in Bussy's book. >Most German sources state that they actually met during improvisation (!) >lessons at the Akademie Remscheid. They say you cannot rely on information taken from the Net. Well, apparently you can't rely upon bloody books either. Is there anyone who can present to us a guaranteed fact - I've always firmly believed that Ralf studied at the conservatory - until Klaus told us all that he indeed studied architecture... what's the truth? Love, Marcus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Marcus Fjellström" Subject: SV: (kw) Bootleg / Remix CD's Date: 03 Aug 1998 19:50:02 +0200 >I got both Ultra Rare Trax & Schoene Neue Welt and find them appalling and >embarrassing. >They are an unfortunate example of the dross that can be produced when under- >resourced and under-talented insensitive halfwits get hold of 8-bit samplers >(Amigas ?) and re-interpret proifessionally produced music without any >recourse to originality. >The purveyors of these bootlegs should be taken outside and shot. Several >times. Actually, I found them rather interesting, in a naïve sense... It's defenitely not good quality music, but nevertheless quite amusing music. I actually enjoy the hilarious drums on top of "The Model" - and "Computerworld" was made rather suggestive. R&F would never have approved these remixes, but once you get past the fact that it's crap it gets quite nice. Regards, Marcus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?T=E9te_de_la_course?= Date: 04 Aug 1998 14:17:49 +0200 Apparently Kraftwerk only give interviews to cyling magazines! DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F2nar98?= Date: 04 Aug 1998 14:53:58 +0200 Did anybody else tape the whole Kraftwerk show at Sònar on june 18th? I taped it but unfortunately the two last song missing! DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: susan.woolridge@virgin.net Subject: Re: (kw) New Release? Date: 04 Aug 1998 12:34:42 -0700 > > I found this at AB-CD, any Ideas? > > Anyone Seen this? > > > > Kraftwerk > > Computersinfonien (Live 10/18/97) (Dbl) + 4 Extra Tracks > > KWERKCOM KWERKCOMP2CDQ Germany > > 06/19/98 - 2 CD Set > i would like to buy a copy of this bootleg. the price to export it back to england from ab-cd seems ridiculous. as it come's from germany (supposidly) can anyone suggest where i can get a copy from europe, preferably mail order. stephen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) Bootleg / Remix CD's Date: 03 Aug 1998 19:08:28 +0100 merseycham: >The purveyors of these bootlegs should be taken outside and shot. Several >times. bloody hell K, that's a bit harsh isn't! calm down mate, it's only a record... ;) jon alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: SV: (kw) RH training Date: 04 Aug 1998 17:21:35 +0000 > >> Someone emailed back that Ralph actually studied architecture, not > >> music. > >> Bussy, on the other hand states that he studied electronic organ at the > >> Dusseldorf Conservatory, which is where he met Florian. > > > >This appears to be one of the many mistakes in Bussy's book. > >Most German sources state that they actually met during improvisation (!) > >lessons at the Akademie Remscheid. > > They say you cannot rely on information taken from the Net. Well, apparently > you can't rely upon bloody books either. Is there anyone who can present to > us a guaranteed fact - I've always firmly believed that Ralf studied at the > conservatory - until Klaus told us all that he indeed studied > architecture... what's the truth? He definitely studied architecture. Huetter himself mentioned this in at least two interviews: a) Musik-Express 4/1971 (an English translation is online at http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Harald.Westphal/kwarticles/interview72.txt) b) Andy Warhol's Interview Magazine 11/1977 Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Rumour Update Date: 04 Aug 1998 17:27:42 +0000 For the record: I've heard a rumour that a new Kraftwerk release is scheduled for September, containing two new tracks plus a couple of remixes. And yes, this story is from an uspecified source, and I don't know how reliable it is... ;-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Confirmed: KW live in Brazil! Date: 04 Aug 1998 13:01:07 -0300 Good news for everybody! I just came from the first press meeting of Free Jazz Festival 98, and I'm glad to tell everybody that Kraftwerk will play for the first time in other country than Europe-USA-Japan. Kraftwerk Live at Free Jazz Festival 98 in Brazil: 16.october.1998 - Rio de Janeiro - Museum of Modern Art (MAM) 17.october.1998 - Sao Paulo - Joquei Club In the both dates the show will start at 21:30 and after KW, Massive Attack will play. Not at the same stage, of course. The production inform that were programmed dates in Mexico and Argentina, but with the dificulties imposed from the four guys only Brazil dates were scheduled. The other ones were cancelled. 6 tons of equipment will fly to Brazil to bring the full KW concert to the third world. It will take 9 hours to get the stage ready to play. Check some info at my page(more soon). I just put the complete band list of the festival and a promo KW picture: http://members.xoom.com/HerBros/kraftworld/concerts/1998BR.html Sorry about the poor quality of the pics, but tonight I will update the site. Now you can have just the first info... Check again later, please. Guys, I will work now... I think until october I will have a heart attack... :) Tonight I will send more info to the list. peace Nicolau # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: (kw) Ralf's favourite instrument Date: 04 Aug 1998 18:06:55 +0100 (BST) Klaus, you seem to be the most knowledgeable one on the list for this sort of thing: I am 100% sure I read an interview in which Ralf said his favourite instrument was the human voice, because it was capable of the greatest range of sounds, and I need to quote this (properly referenced) in my Master's dissertation. Someone on the list referred me to a little German magazine from around 1991, but it's bad form for me to reference that because I haven't actually read a copy of it, my source was just an email. However, I KNOW this opinion of Ralf's also appeared in a more mainstream widely circulated article... but I can't for the life of me remember what it was. I've looked in Bussy's book, in Lester Bangs', in a few mags like "Music Technology" etc. Do you know the reference I mean? Thanks, DAVE PS on a different tack: why do people always go on about the Beach Boys when Kraftwerk also said they like the Stooges, MC5 and so on? DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf's favourite instrument Date: 04 Aug 1998 19:58:54 +0200 (DFT) > I am 100% sure I read an interview in which Ralf said his favourite > instrument was the human voice, because it was capable of the greatest > range of sounds, and I need to quote this (properly referenced) in my > Master's dissertation. Actually, he said that the human voice was his favourite *sound*, not instrument. > Someone on the list referred me to a little German magazine from around > 1991, but it's bad form for me to reference that because I haven't > actually read a copy of it, my source was just an email. > However, I KNOW this opinion of Ralf's also appeared in a more mainstream > widely circulated article... but I can't for the life of me remember what > it was. > Do you know the reference I mean? I can't say if it also appeared in a "mainstream" article, but as far as I know, it originates from the following interview: Reinboth, Michael: "Es wird immer weitergehen"; Frontpage 7-8/1991, p. 6-7 (the part about the favourite sound is on page 7). A (poor quality!) scan of the article is online at http://home.t-online.de/home/Zaepke/fp.htm. If you need the precise wording for your quote, it goes: Q: Was ist Ralf Huetters liebstes Geraeusch? A: Gute Frage (nach einigem Ueberlegen kommt ueberzeugend die Antwort). Die Stimme. Q: Hm! Hoechst interessant. Die computerisierte Stimme? Die Vocoder-Stimme? A: Nein! Schon die menschliche Stimme. Es gibt kein Instrument oder Synthesizer mit mehr Klangmodulationen. Translation: Q: What is Ralf Huetter's favourite sound? A: Good Question. The voice. Q: Hm! Very interesting. The computerized voice? The vocoder voice? A: No! The human voice. There is no instrument or synthesizer with more sound modulations. A shorter, slightly altered version of this quote appeared in the following interview: Reinboth, Michael: "Fuenf Fragen an Kraftwerk", Prinz 8/1991 A scan of the article is online at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/3713/prinz.gif. The precise wording goes: Q: Was ist Ralf Huetters liebstes Geraeusch? A: Gute Frage (nach langem Ueberlegen die ueberzeugende Antwort:) die menschliche Stimme. Es gibt wohl kein Instrument und keinen Synthesizer mit mehr Klangmodulationen. Translation: Q: What is Ralf Huetter's favourite sound? A: Good question: the human voice. There is probably no instrument and no synthesizer with more sound modulations. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) Bootleg / Remix CD's Date: 04 Aug 1998 19:23:57 +0100 merseycham: >You've heard those records. Now I don't know whether anyone present hear had >anything to do with them... but they are absoloutely APPALLING. You gotta be >with me on this one ! i agree -- those remixes *are* crap, but i still don't think they're worth anyone being shot over :) >BTW - Do you think the Sex Objekt 'demo' on Schoene Neue Welt is genuine ? I >can't quite work it out. It sounds very... Casio. Someone will probably pounce on me for saying this, but yeah i do think it's genuine -- if you're interested in hearing the other demo from that period, check out http://www.unl.ac.uk/~jon/kraftwerk/multimedia/technopop83.rm BTW I will get around to finishing that site of one day soon, honest guv :) jon alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) Rumour Update Date: 04 Aug 1998 19:28:14 +0100 Klaus: >For the record: >I've heard a rumour that a new Kraftwerk release is scheduled for >September, containing two new tracks plus a couple of remixes. i'll beleive it when i hold it in my sweaty little hands :-) jon alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@technologist.com (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Rumour Update Date: 04 Aug 1998 21:01:37 GMT "Jon Alsbury" wrote: > > >Klaus: >>For the record: >>I've heard a rumour that a new Kraftwerk release is scheduled for=20 >>September, containing two new tracks plus a couple of remixes. > > >i'll beleive it when i hold it in my sweaty little hands :-) > oo-er ;-) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J|rgen B|rjesson Subject: (kw) WTT; Die Klassik Werks Vol.2 Date: 05 Aug 1998 14:07:32 +0200 (MET DST) Hello everybody! I'm looking for the following object; DIE KLASSIK WERKS VOL.2 1.Robotonik (1991 12" version) 2.Radioactivity (1991 12" UK Francois Kevorkian Mix) 3.Tour de France (1983 New York club mix) 4.The Telephone Call (1987 7" version) 5.Computer Welt (1981 Maxi single Special Mix) 6.Musique non Stop (1986 7") 7.Les Mannequins(1977 French 7" edit) 8.Kometenmelodie 2 (1975 7" edit) 9.Tour de France (1983 2E Etape) 10.Radioactivity (1991 12" UK William Orbit mix) 11.Robotoronik (1991 12" version) 12.TV 2/Elektric Music(1993 12" version) 13.Baby Come Back/Elektric Music(1992 12" version) If anyone got it I would be interested in trading cd-rom copies of other KW bootlegs for it or a cd-rom copy of it. Please e-mail me privately for my list. Regards, Jorgen Borjesson, e-mail; jorbor@etek.chalmers.se # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stefan Norman Subject: (kw) Yamo Date: 05 Aug 1998 15:58:57 +0200 Just found Yamo's (Wolfang Flur) record in my local recordshop, it was not very cheap so i just wonder if its worth the price? Can anyone describe it, is it anything like Kraftwerk or just standard Technostuff Med vänlig hälsning TRIPNET AB Stefan Norman ________________________________________________________________________ Tripnet AB              Besöksadress:       Telefon: 031-725 25 00 Box 5071                Åvägen 42           Telefax: 031-725 25 01 402 22 GÖTEBORG        GÖTEBORG            Direkt: 031-725 25 12 http://www.tripnet.se sn@tripnet.se       Mobil: 0708-76 25 12 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) la! NEU? News Date: 05 Aug 1998 17:19:38 +0200 (DFT) From the Klaus Dinger WWW pages (http://www.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/people/gawlista/mucke/dinger.html): New albums out on 1. Nov. 1998! la! NEU?: Goldregen (Gold Rain) la! NEU?: Year of the Tiger Both albums will be released by Captain Trip Records, Tokyo on 1. Nov. 1998! The pages were also updated with a statement from Klaus Dinger regarding press interviews: http://www.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/people/gawlista/mucke/req_int.html. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PITT Mike Subject: (kw) Bootleg CD's to Swap Date: 05 Aug 1998 13:52:00 +0100 Hi, I have the following cd's that I would like to swap (not sell). Virtu Ex Machina - Japan 1981 N1 to Zurich - 1991 Both are very good quality, particularly the Japan boot. I am looking for pre 1991 boots. I will exchange both for a double cd or two single cd's or (more than two) CD-R's. mail me with offers at mike.pitt@lineone.net Mike. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Yamo Date: 05 Aug 1998 16:35:03 +0000 At 3:58 pm +0200 5/8/98, Stefan Norman wrote: >Just found Yamo's (Wolfang Flur) record in my local recordshop, it was not >very cheap so i just wonder if its worth the price? >Can anyone describe it, is it anything like Kraftwerk or just standard >Technostuff It's technopopstuff. I was pleasantly surprised. It wasn't cheap here in Britain either, and I wouldn't pay a fortune for this or any other CD (maybe some of the online record suppliers sell it cheaper?) but it's a gentle, pleasant listen and quite distinctive (the nearest comparison is, of course, Mouse On Mars' 'Iaora Tahiti'...). Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicolau Centola" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in Brazil at brazilian newspaper Date: 05 Aug 1998 06:43:26 PDT You can check various brazilian newspapers online editions of today (August 5th) with news about Kraftwerk at Free Jazz Festival 98 (only in potuguese, of course): Sao Paulo: O Estado de Sao Paulo http://www.estado.com.br/edicao/pano/98/08/04/ca2775.html http://www.estado.com.br/edicao/pano/98/08/04/ca2773.html with some mistakes... like Karl and Wolfgang are playing with KW... well, you know how innacurate a journalist can be... Jornal da Tarde http://www.jt.com.br/varieda.htm Rio de Janeiro: O Globo (at arte e diversao) http://www.oglobo.com.br/ Jornal do Brasil (at jornal do Brasil, Caderno B, Free Jazz) http://www.jb.com.br The same mistake... Karl and Wolfgang don't play anymore with KW Curitiba: Gazeta do Povo (they will not play in Curitiba at the festival) http://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/universo/cadernog/hoje/musica.html Porto Alegre: Correio do Povo (at Variedades) (they will not play at PA either) http://www.cpovo.net/jornal/ Zero Hora http://www.zh.com.br/caderno/segcad/index.htm I hope you enjoy... peace Nicolau Centola http://members.xoom.com/HerBros/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html http://members.xoom.com/HerBros/kraftworld/concerts/1998BR.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Krenn Subject: RE: (kw) Model 15 Date: 06 Aug 1998 15:41:06 +0200 > -----Original Message----- > From: Henrik Olsson [mailto:henrik.olsson@mbox200.swipnet.se] > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 1998 3:27 PM > To: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (kw) Model 15 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Swedish daily paper "Dagens Nyheter" has a continuing series of=20 > the greatest rock/pop songs of all time. Read (unfortainly only > in swedish) about no:15 at : >=20 > http://www.dn.se/DNet/articles/47000-47099/47087/15kraftwerk.html >=20 > /Henrik >=20 Hehe, funny article: "Gruppen b=F6rjade som ren avantgarde, k=F6pte sin f=F6rsta synt = f=F6rst inf=F6r fj=E4rde lp:n" Fast translation:=20 "The group started as pure Avantegarde, and bought their first synth to their fourth lp... " As if there where many synthesiezers to buy in 1970... :D //Robert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk + Stockhausen Date: 06 Aug 1998 15:39:13 +0000 At 3:18 pm +0200 17/7/98, Andr=E9s Garc=EDa Aparicio wrote: >Does anybody know something about a concert recorded in 1971 or 1972 by >Karlheinz Stockhausen and Kraftwerk; the supposed album would include 6 >tracks: >3 from KW >played by Stockhausen, and 3 from Stockhausen played by KW. I've heard it, and it's pretty mediocre. Region 4 of 'Hymnen' doesn't sound quite the same on a Farfisa organ, but Florian's flute rendition of 'Gesang der Juenglinge' is very spirited. Stocky himself does a reasonable 'Kometenmelodie', especially since he's tape splicing the sinewaves for each note in real time. K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk + Stockhausen Date: 06 Aug 1998 15:41:56 +0100 (BST) On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Kevin Busby wrote: > > I've heard it, and it's pretty mediocre. Region 4 of 'Hymnen' doesn't sound > quite the same on a Farfisa organ, but Florian's flute rendition of > 'Gesang der Juenglinge' is very spirited. Stocky himself does a reasonable > 'Kometenmelodie', especially since he's tape splicing the sinewaves for > each note in real time. Very droll mate. Anyone know the real answer? DAVE ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Yamo Date: 06 Aug 1998 15:42:58 +0100 and "stereomatic"should be no.1 all over the world...the american import of "time pie" [same tracks as the german, different cover]is available from jungle records- 01712670171 -in camden... chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Confirmed: KW live in Brazil! Date: 06 Aug 1998 15:51:11 +0100 thanks for the info though KW have played places other than japan/europe/usa ...india comes to mind for example..hot and sweatyjust like a"rock"-ughh-gig know how to get press accreditation and tickets please? chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Holton Subject: (kw) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: 06 Aug 1998 15:55:27 +0100 Subject: RE: (kw) Model 15 Date: 06 Aug 1998 16:46:03 +0200 (MET DST) On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Robert Krenn wrote: > > As if there where many synthesiezers to buy in 1970... :D > They considered that and built their own. //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: RE: (kw) Model 15 Date: 06 Aug 1998 16:36:46 +0100 (BST) On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, RoBoten wrote: > > As if there where many synthesiezers to buy in 1970... :D Well, there were VCS3's from EMS in London, and big bucks modular gear from Moog, ARP and Buchla in the USA. Most of that stuff has never been bettered to this day anyway! DAVE ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) ralf's favorite instrument Date: 06 Aug 1998 11:36:30 -0400 PS on a different tack: why do people always go on about the Beach Boys when Kraftwerk also said they like the Stooges, MC5 and so on? DAVE Well, from a different view: I've noticed that people "go off" when you mention a possible connection between the Beach Boys and Kraftwerk. I always assume it's because "the boys" aren't "cool", and generally aren't taken seriously. But, on the other hand, The Stooges, MC5, etc, are "okay to like" since they're a seminal punk (ie, cooler than 60's surf/four freshmen vocal groups). influence. The very fact that there's little if any obvious sonic similarity between KW and any of the above mentioned bands is beside the point, I believe. It all reminds me of waaay back when (you kiddies might wanna cut out now!) Elvis Costello mentioned ABBA (of all bands!) as an influence. Being the little punk that I was, I was suitably APPAULED! How coud HE listen to ABBA?!?! Even subsequent listenings to Oliver's Army, (with the offending piano triplet that mirrors ABBA's "Dancing Queen") did nothing to convince me it could be cool to like ABBA. I figured it was Elvis being "campy". Years later, now that I'm not a kid, and I'm not worried about what's cool, I can admit that even ABBA had some well crafted pop tunes. I think it's the same with the Beach Boys and Kraftwerk. KW's fans tend to be serious about the merits of their favorite band. I assume (fully knowing the dangers of!) that thinking of KW and the Beach Boys in the same way is a bit tough to swallow. I tend to leap into the discussion feeling that the BBs have a bit more to offer than just surf music - they too have well crafted songs. Some of 'em are pop masterpieces, in my opinion - not to mention their influence on album structure in general. There's no such bitter pill to swallow to point to the enjoyment or influence (however unrecognizeable) The Stooges may have had on KW. I think the idea that a hugely popular American band like the Beach Boys might have influenced Kraftwerk rubs some people the wrong way, but the idea that a relatively unknown cult band might have influenced them is a bit easier on the sensibilities. It's kinda sad. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Buying records or MP3? (was Autobahn) Date: 06 Aug 1998 17:54:46 +0200 Well, it was not meant as an advert. I have nothing to do with the mentioned companies, other than that I occasionally buy records from them. Concerning the question whether to buy or copy records there's some more aspects to it: 1. There are artists trying to make a living out of their records. Of course they only receive a tiny part of the money we pay for the records, but never the less it's their income. 2. Buying records will show that there's people interested in the group. This could eventually lead to record-shops having more records in stock and this might perhaps even apply to non-mainstream music. The same is true for your local radio-station or TV and in the end even larger media-actors like MTV and the like. 3. Buying records will show the group and the record company that there's interest in the group. This might lead to another record with the group. And this is actually the real issue - If we buy Kraftwerk's older records, we might see a new record some day! /Joakim -----Original Message----- Sent: den 6 augusti 1998 16:55 Subject: (kw) Free Form Jazz - My God! Date: 06 Aug 1998 17:52:44 +0200 Pardon me... ...but are the blokes really going to play FREE FORM JAZZ in Brazil - or just the standard technopop set at a Free Form Jazz Festival? I'd LOVE to hear Kraftwerk jazz! What a thing! Björn Marcus Fjellström (marcopop@hem.passagen.se) Der Telefon Anruf: +46 (0)951 77647 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carlos Jose Quinteiro Subject: (kw) KW playing free jazz???? Date: 06 Aug 1998 13:37:59 -0300 Dear Marcus; Here in Brazil Free is a brand of cigarretes, who supports the Festival!! So there's not only free-jazz in it, but a lot of different things with no relation even with jazz... =8-] Bye!! ************************************************ Carlos Jose Quinteiro carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br Rua Frei Caneca 11 ap. 21 01307-001 Sao Paulo SP Brasil ************************************************ begin 600 winmail.dat M>)\^(@$0`0:0"``$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y`0```````#H``$(@`<` M&````$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`06``P`.````S@<(``8` M#0`E`#L`!`!4`0$@@`,`#@```,X'"``&``T`)0`[``0`5`$!"8`!`"$````U M-C M0+"!W:&\@4'-U<'`747,*A72* M:!Y@1@>0=&EV!T"\(2$&`"$P(D$7L"<$((QN;P5``B!L>2`#4"D)X"UJ'M!Z M'G)I=+D@\&)U!4`?H!=`=`J%]2`A9`:09AY!`C`B,0N`WF<$(`/P(D`CT2`7 ML`M@XR*P`B`@978)\">T),("+BFP("`]."U=\1U<0GEE(P`*CPN1$O)W`=`= MM@KT<0#@"U454C%Z-AVV*B]_,(\Q:RMU0S<*P!=`!"!*,R`>8%%U6PN`(,!I M`V`K=6,R\T"#'*`'D'`N9F=V-4&S'\`K=5)U'Z`?(6DRT59N!9`?H#$<<&$U M4"`$,C$K=3`Q,S`W/"TP.&`IX`8!(3!0879U%T`X\E`JMA[``)!LOR\/.]\\ M[S(Y*W46T0`_8``#``)9`@```!X`<``!````&0```$M7('!L87EI;F<@9G)E M92!J87IZ/S\_/P`````"`7$``0```!8````!O<%70(0`/$4,+0(1TI=T`&"7 MT;""``!``#D`0+)6DEC!O0$#`/$_"00``!X`,4`!````!P```$-!4DQ/4P`` M`P`:0``````>`#!``0````<```!#05),3U,```,`&4```````P#]/^0$```" M`4<``0```#$```!C/4)2.V$]1D=6.W`]14%%4U`[;#U%04534$Y4+3DX,#@P M-C$V,S`#40`0```#@````\.30Y1#DY M0S%$,$1"1#$Q,4$T.3`P,#@P-49!-D1#0S$S,C1$-3!`96%E Subject: (kw) Kw-reference Date: 06 Aug 1998 19:17:23 +0200 In today's Sommar (Swedish for Summer) on Swedish radio P1, Thomas = =D6berg from Bob Hund (Swedish for Bob Dog) ended the program with "a song from the best group in the World - Kraftwerk". I didn't hear the program myself so I'm not sure which song he played, but according to my girlfriend it was "something with Europe in the title". The program = will be repeated today at 23.10 if anybody wishes to check which song it = was. I've realised their fascination for Kraftwerk since their first album, which contains a song called D=FCsseldorf. /Joakim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Yamo Date: 05 Aug 1998 21:26:13 +0200 At 15.58 05/08/98 +0200, Stefan Norman wrote: > >Just found Yamo's (Wolfang Flur) record in my local recordshop, it was not >very cheap so i just wonder if its worth the price? >Can anyone describe it, is it anything like Kraftwerk or just standard >Technostuff well, it's *nice* standard technostuff, not very like K. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Mills Subject: (kw) Die Roboter (kinderspiel version) Date: 06 Aug 1998 17:19:44 +0100 Does anyone know where the kinderspiel version of Die Roboter on the "Lauschangriff" bootleg comes from? Is it a KW authorised mix or just some bootleggers little bit of fun? Regards Paul Mills paulm@intercell.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Free Form Jazz - My God! Date: 06 Aug 1998 18:32:50 +0200 Well, if you consider that: "If it has more than three chords, it's jazz." - Lou Reed it would be quite ok for Kraftwerk to play their normal music at the jazz-festival. ;) /Joakim -----Original Message----- Pardon me... ...but are the blokes really going to play FREE FORM JAZZ in Brazil - or just the standard technopop set at a Free Form Jazz Festival? I'd LOVE to hear Kraftwerk jazz! What a thing! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Model 15 Date: 06 Aug 1998 17:36:46 +0100 >> As if there where many synthesiezers to buy in 1970... :D RoBoten: >They considered that and built their own. here we go again... Forgive my pedantry, but what systhesizers did they build themselves exactly? jon alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Marcus Fjellström" Subject: SV: (kw) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: 06 Aug 1998 18:48:11 +0200 > > > >So it wasn't really a disgruntled /assuming the moral highground type >letter MERELY AN ADVERT. > >Listen pal some of us get ripped off on CD prices and even the >government can seemingly do nothing about it (perhaps it doesn't give a >stuff) Everything is too expensive in this country Excuse me, but really, what's your glitch? He was doing the bloke a favour by showing him where to get the album. What exactly are you getting at? Love, Marcus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Marcus Fjellström" Subject: SV: (kw) Buying records or MP3? Date: 06 Aug 1998 19:29:07 +0200 >Concerning the question whether to buy or copy records there's some more >aspects to it: > >1. There are artists trying to make a living out of their records. Of >course they only receive a tiny part of the money we pay for the >records, but never the less it's their income. On the other hand, there are as well people trying to become disgustingly rich by releasing commercial and mainstream acts (such as NKOTB, Milli Vanilli, Spice Girls, Boyzone, the list goes on forever) just for the sake of the BIG BUCKS. The first thing MP3 will do to the music market is to get rid of these sleezebags. Then - as you no longer can become rich and famous making music, the big stars will disappear and what we have left is the true enthusiasts who cares about the music more than the money. Alas - more innovations and good quality music, less mainstream copycat acts robbing kids on their allowance. >2. Buying records will show that there's people interested in the group. >This could eventually lead to record-shops having more records in stock >and this might perhaps even apply to non-mainstream music. The same is >true for your local radio-station or TV and in the end even larger >media-actors like MTV and the like. There must be other ways of showing appreciation for a kind of music/band/artist than pure SALES FIGURES. And why do you think that it would be good for non-mainstream music? Honestly - 2 sold Yamo albums versus 200 sold Spice Girls albums won't make the shop go "hey - let's get more of this Yamo stuff". >3. Buying records will show the group and the record company that >there's interest in the group. This might lead to another record with >the group. And this is actually the real issue - If we buy Kraftwerk's >older records, we might see a new record some day! As I said earlier - it's a bloody shame if the only bond between an artist and the listeners should be the sales figures. And I don't think Kraftwerk doesn't know that a new album is yearned for. Basically, I think it would get pretty interesting if the music scene would get de-commercialized. OK, there are people trying to make a living on their music, but there are also people trying to make a living by swallowing bicycles. It's not like it's the only thing they can do. There IS always an alternative, and the aim for someone making music should never be earning money. In my opinion art was never meant to be an industry. As a music student (musician-to-be) I have a lot of connections with professional Swedish musicians, and the best quality musicians are the ones who live for their music and not for the money they make - consequently they don't have that much money (as they aren't commercial enough). Two great examples are the young Swedish musicians Mats Öberg (keyboard player) and Morgan Ågren (drummer), (nationally hyped because they got to play with Frank Zappa as teenagers) who releases brilliant, innovative but utterly non-commercial music, for a very small audience of people who appreciates their music. They are the sort of musicians that make music develop, instead of squeezing the bucks out of music. And yes, though they are nationally known and respected, they don't make much money (I remember poor Mats had to sell one of his dearest synths to pay the rent a month ago) - but they live for the music instead of the fame and the money. And they wouldn't want it any other way. OK, my point is: music in general would probably get better if the music INDUSTRY collapsed. Unfortunately people still need money to live. But who says music has to be full-time? I remember someone saying "If I'd do music for a living, then what would I do for fun?" - good point... Besides, my musician friends prove that you can earn a living without selling tons of records. Live playing, for instance, is a great income. OK, start flaming. Love, Marcus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Marcus Fjellström" Subject: SV: (kw) Synths Date: 06 Aug 1998 18:37:48 +0200 >"The group started as pure Avantegarde, and bought their first synth to >their fourth lp... " > >As if there where many synthesiezers to buy in 1970... :D > >//Robert Well, there were, weren't there? Maybe not a LOT but the Minimoog they got '73/74 was available in 1970, and there were a lot of other bands who used the synthesizer before Kraftwerk did. Mostly Moog modulars, EMS and Buchla synths, but these were probably too expensive for the avant garde budget. The minimoog, however, was affordable and available but the boys were simply a little late on picking up the new technology. Regards, Marcus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Marcus Fjellström" Subject: SV: (kw) Synths Date: 06 Aug 1998 18:48:21 +0200 >> As if there where many synthesiezers to buy in 1970... :D > >They considered that and built their own. > >//RoBoten Sorry? Not back in the early days, they didn't. Apart from the simple but smart rhythm-kit device built out of the ryhtm section pulled out of an electric organ. Or am I wrong? Did they actually build any synthesizers before getting the Mini and the Arp? Regards, Marcus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: 06 Aug 1998 20:08:08 +0100 Joakim: >Listen pal some of us get ripped off on CD prices and even the >government can seemingly do nothing about it (perhaps it doesn't give a >stuff) Everything is too expensive in this country Oh, is it really. You should try living in Sweden if you want expensive mate! >Cars - up to 30 or 40% more than Europe And a good job too. This is a small country with far too many cars on the roads as it is. I assume your kids aren't suffering from asthma all summer long! If it were up to me I'd ban the fecking things, I really would... sorry 'bout that explosion folks! cheers, jon alsbury :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Buying records or MP3? Date: 06 Aug 1998 15:25:58 -0400 B. Marcus Fjellstr=F6m wrote: > >1. There are artists trying to make a living out of > >their records. Of course they only receive a tiny > >part of the money we pay for therecords, but never > >the less it's their income. > > On the other hand, there are as well people trying to become > disgustingly rich by releasing commercial and mainstream acts > just for the sake of the BIG BUCKS. The first thing MP3 will do > to the music market is to get rid of these sleezebags. Then - as > you no longer can become rich and famous making music, the > big stars will disappear and what we have left is the true enthusiasts > who cares about the music more than the money. You wish. Mainstream music is *so* ubiquitous and profitable that the mi= nimal percentage of money lost by MP3 piracy will have almost zero impact. How= ever, for an artist who is considerably less popular, that percentage will be m= uch greater. In other words, the rich will get slightly less rich, but the p= oor will get much poorer. Doesn't sound like a terribly good idea to me. > Basically, I think it would get pretty interesting if the music > scene would get de-commercialized. OK, there are people > trying to make a living on their music, but there are also > people trying to make a living by swallowing bicycles. It's not > like it's the only thing they can do. There IS always an alternative, > and the aim for someone making music should never be earning > money. In my opinion art was never meant to be an industry. So you are now the arbiter of what a person can make a living doing and w= hat they can't? There are equally bad arguments to say that I shouldn't be able t= o make a living doing computer programming. I believe that a person should make a= living doing whatever it is they love to do, and if that thing is making music, = so be it. > ...the best quality musicians are the ones who live for their > music and not for the money they make - consequently > they don't have that much money (as they aren't commercial > enough). I fail to see what this has to do with stealing someone's livelihood just= because you don't think they should be able to make money doing it. > Two great examples... are the sort of musicians that > make music develop, instead of squeezing the bucks > out of music. And yes, though they are nationally > known and respected, they don't make much money > (I remember poor Mats had to sell one of his dearest > synths to pay the rent a month ago) - but they live > for the music instead of the fame and the money. > And they wouldn't want it any other way. That's their choice, though, isn't it? Why are you against folks like yo= ur examples and the Spice Girls coexisting? You would deprive the masses of= their bubblegum pleasure just because it isn't "arty" enough for you? What is = so harmful by it? > OK, my point is: music in general would probably get better if > the music INDUSTRY collapsed. If there was no popular music, no one would care about music at all, and = no one would want to be a musician, so there would be no boundary pushers. It i= s highly likely that any person who is a musician today is just like the rest of t= he masses out there in the one sense that they were exposed to popular music= as a child. I wouldn't be interested in Kraftwerk, or any music at all, if I = hadn't heard the Rolling Stones, Paul McCartney, Dire Straits, Fleetwood Mac, an= d all the other music my parents played. > Unfortunately people still need money to live. But who says > music has to be full-time? Again, who are you to say that it shouldn't be? > OK, start flaming. Not flaming, just rebutting. :-) -- Adam J Weitzman NewsEdge Corporation Welcome to my signature. http://www.newsedge.com Please wipe your feet. http://www.newspage.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Yamo Date: 06 Aug 1998 15:45:39 EDT Woah !! The Yamo album is hardly Standard Technopop... it's a lovely, shimmering album in which Fluer & Co. are more like a warped Sheherazade telling an off-beat 1001 tales than purveyors of mere Technopop - respect where it's due everyone: Yamo are unlike anything I've heard recently. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: Re: (kw) Model 15 Date: 07 Aug 1998 05:59:38 +1000 David Davis wrote: > > > As if there where many synthesiezers to buy in 1970... :D > > Well, there were VCS3's from EMS in London, On the back cover of Ralf and Florian - Florian is sitting in front of an EMS Synthi A. This also appears in the 1971 video - 'ruckstoss gondolero'. I believe he played this with a flute controlling it through a pitch-to-voltage converter (also EMS). Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: Re: (kw) Model 15 Date: 07 Aug 1998 06:06:43 +1000 Jon Alsbury wrote: > RoBoten: > >They considered that and built their own. > > here we go again... Forgive my pedantry, but what systhesizers did > they build themselves exactly? In all the many photographs I have seen of the Kraftwerk equipment 1971 to 1981 there are only two synths that I have seen that are not standard issue. One was a very strange looking sequencer and butchered Minimoog set up on Ralfs keyboard console in the 1981 tour. I do believe that the drum pads and sequencers were custom built. Everything else are ARP, Moog, EMS etc. And in the 1998 consoles there is nothing that you would not find in any good synth showroom. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicolau Centola" Subject: (kw) 1998 Tour Page updated Date: 06 Aug 1998 13:07:08 PDT I updated my KW 1998 Concerts page: http://members.xoom.com/HerBros/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html Now there's a new yellow line from Dusseldorf to Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo. It links to my Free Jazz Festival page. This one was updated too, with some info about the festival and KW. My idea is put all the news at this page. Tonight I will put a map of Joquey Club showing the tents and some comments of the press releases. This is to South American fans: someone will fly to Brazil to see the concerts? Mail me. peace Nicolau ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@technologist.com (Jungle Jules) Subject: Re: (kw) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: 06 Aug 1998 21:02:14 GMT Beanie-man wrote :- >dave holton--- >>Cars - up to 30 or 40% more than Europe > >And a good job too. This is a small country with far too many cars on = the >roads as it is. I assume your kids aren't suffering from asthma all = summer >long! If it were up to me I'd ban the fecking things, I really would... > yeah! do as ralfie and flo, get on yer f**cking bikes! >sorry 'bout that explosion folks! s'allright jono, we've all eaten beans before ;-) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: (kw) beans Date: 06 Aug 1998 22:35:40 +0100 jon: >>sorry 'bout that explosion folks! jules: >s'allright jono, we've all eaten beans before ;-) phwor, you can talk -- all you veggies are blue ribbon winners! :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) Model 15 Date: 06 Aug 1998 23:35:29 +0100 (BST) On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Adam Read wrote: > On the back cover of Ralf and Florian - Florian is sitting in front of an EMS > Synthi A. Oh *right*, I *see*!!! I'd never spotted that before! That explains a lot! I've always wondered how the hell Florian made his flute sound like that in "Truckstop Gondelero" (I've never seen the video - I thought it was a bass guitar until Ian Calder revealed on the list in 1996 that it was a flute)... by the EMS pitch-CV convertor: yes, that expalin it. We have one of those in the studio here at York University. ...ah, and I thought Florian was being so amazing, but he was just using a commercial product all along.... DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk and The Simpsons Date: 06 Aug 1998 21:42:13 EDT Hello everyone, I recently saw an old episode of The Simpsons (for those of you not familiar, it is an animated American TV sitcom series). The plot involved the search for a sunken treasure (paintings), which turned out to belong to a German Count. At the end of the show, the authorities return the paintings to the Count, and apologize for the inconvenience. The count says (in a thick German accent) "Yah, yah, jast give me ze paintings, I need too get back ome to see Kraftverk!" And he drives off in his sports car, while you hear a Kraftwerky tune in the background, though it's too faint to really recognize. Then the Count stops the car and teases Homer about hugging his son Bart ("get a room!"), and he drives off again and you hear a vocoded voice in the background say "computer." Does anyone know if those bits were taken from actual Kraftwerk recordings, and if so, which ones? BTW, if this has been discussed before, forgive me, since I'm relatively new to this group. Thanks! David David # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: (kw) NYC bootlegs Date: 06 Aug 1998 22:15:36 +0500 Does anyone have a tape of KW's show at the Hammerstein Ballroom? I can trade for a copy of the Tanz Musik or Heute Abend bootlegs, and I'll throw in a tape of "Autobahn" on the Midnight Special (hosts: Gabe Kaplan and Helen Reddy). I also have a copy of "Tone Float", but I guess everyone has that by now... ;-) (Man, what a pathetic offer. But it's still an offer) -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "aaron" Subject: (kw) re: Kraftwerk and the Simpsons Date: 06 Aug 1998 22:12:15 -0400 For those of you interested in the exact quotes of this, this can be found in Simpsons episode 3F19, "The Curse of the Flying Hellfish". The premise is right, but here are the exact details...basis for this is http://www.snpp.com, with additions by me. Therefore, Burns is dismissed from both the Hellfish and the tontine, leaving Abe as the possessor of the paintings. Having just landed, Bart is congratulating his grandfather, but is interrupted by the US State Department, which has been helping the German government search for this stolen art for 50 years. To avoid an international incident, they'll be returning it to the descendant of its rightful owner, who just happens to be driving a brand-new Mercedes. Agent: Baron von Wortzenberger, on behalf of the American people, I apologize for... Baron: Ja ja ja, mach schnell mit der art things, huh? I must get back to Dancecentrum in Struttgart in time to see Kraftwerk. [the agent is storing the paintings in the trunk] Baron: Hey, und dummkopf! Watch out for the CD-changer in my trunk, eh? Idiot. [hops in the car, turns on the radio and drives away] Abe: I guess he deserves it more than I do. Abe: Well, at least I got to show you I wasn't always a pathetic old kook... Bart: You never were, Grampa. Abe: Oh... I'd hug ya, but I know you'd just get embarrassed. Bart: I won't get embarrassed; I don't care who knows I love my Grampa. [both hug]Baron: Hey, fun boys, get a room! There is Techno music playing as the Baron drives away with the top down in his SL500, however the music is merely cheesy techno with a digitized voice (more like a midiverb than a vocoder) ... it is most definitely not anything I've ever heard kraftwerk do! Aaron > I recently saw an old episode of The Simpsons (for those of you > not familiar, > it is an animated American TV sitcom series). The plot involved > the search > for a sunken treasure (paintings), which turned out to belong to a German > Count. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: (kw) KW reference Date: 06 Aug 1998 22:25:33 +0500 There's an old KW reference in SCTV: When Tex and Edna Boil's Organ Emporium goes kaput (after Tex leaves Edna), Edna auditions organ players/salepeople to take Tex's place, and one of them plays Autobahn... :-) Too bad there are no official SCTV video releases, but you can find off-the-air recordings on the Net... -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and The Simpsons Date: 06 Aug 1998 21:04:09 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 6 Aug 1998 Ctzero@aol.com wrote: > Count, and apologize for the inconvenience. The count says (in a thick German > accent) "Yah, yah, jast give me ze paintings, I need too get back ome to see > Kraftverk!" And he drives off in his sports car, while you hear a Kraftwerky > tune in the background, though it's too faint to really recognize. Then the > Count stops the car and teases Homer about hugging his son Bart ("get a > room!"), and he drives off again and you hear a vocoded voice in the > background say "computer." The episode is "The Curse of the Flying Hellfish". The music in question is "Caterpillar" by DJ Keoki. I believe the version used in the episode was the "Rabbit in the moon's disco 2001 mix", which I found on the compilation "Plugged in Electronica" from PolyTel. The vocoded voice actually says "Mind control". /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FRANK X. CORDERO" Subject: Re: (kw) KW playing free jazz???? Date: 06 Aug 1998 21:06:12 -0700 Don't forget, Kraftwerk frequented several jazz clubs during their US tour. Hmmmmmmmm? DJ Frank X http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/kw2000.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: RE: (kw) Rumours about DJ HELL Date: 07 Aug 1998 09:09:16 +0200 Hi all, >Anybody knows something on a rumor that circulates from the last editing= of >the S=F3nar and that nobody, until now, has confirmed or denied. Apparen= tly >DJ Hell played a vinyl with first of both unpublished tracks that they >sounded in the performance of Kraftwerk, thing that surprising as soon a= s >it has provoked commentaries. Although maybe one was an exclusive acetat= e >for him. Yes, I remember that I was speaking with Jose Garc=EDa near to the bar, w= hen I hear for a seconds something very similar to the firt ZMK song in the D= J HELL mixing... I remember that I commented that with Jose and others frie= nds in that moment... Regards... Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: (kw) about New album... Date: 07 Aug 1998 09:09:54 +0200 >For the record: >I've heard a rumour that a new Kraftwerk release is scheduled for >September, containing two new tracks plus a couple of remixes. >And yes, this story is from an uspecified source, and I don't know >how reliable it is... ;-) Yes, I think new album will be a new THE MIX 2. This is my impression before the last KW tour. Probably track list... 01. NUMBERS 02. THE MAN MACHINE 03. TOUR DE FRANCE 04. POCKET CALCULATOR (Florian vs Chiquito de la Calzada mix)* 05. NEONLIGHTS (please R&F put this one for me :-) 06. AIRWAVES 07. ZMK 1 08. ZMK 2 09. THE MODEL 10. TRIBAL 11. NEW MIX OF MUSIQUE NON STOP? ... I would like more new songs, but... I feel that another THE MIX volume is coming... Please, don=B4t take me seriously... ;-) Regards... *Only for spanish fans, recordais los movimientos de Florian en Pocket Calculator... Cuando Jos=E9 Garcia me lo cont=F3 me part=ED de risa... ten=EDa raz=F3n.= .. jajaja Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) English air for you and me Date: 07 Aug 1998 12:18:17 +0000 Svensson, Joakim wrote: >In today's Sommar (Swedish for Summer) on Swedish radio P1, Thomas =D6berg >>from Bob Hund (Swedish for Bob Dog) ended the program with "a song from >the best group in the World - Kraftwerk". I didn't hear the program >myself so I'm not sure which song he played, but according to my >girlfriend it was "something with Europe in the title" 'Europe Endless', I'd guess... The last things I ever played on (campus) radio, so maybe it has an air of finality to it (fin de siecle?)! Jon Alsbury wrote: >>Cars - up to 30 or 40% more than Europe > >And a good job too. This is a small country with far too many cars on the >roads as it is. I assume your kids aren't suffering from asthma all summer >long! If it were up to me I'd ban the fecking things, I really would... I agree. And cars, too. David Davis still wants that Stockwerk recording: > Very droll mate. >Anyone know the real answer? Well, I'm just saying it's not _really_ likely, is it? :-) K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Kling Klang Date: 07 Aug 1998 12:32:08 +0000 As always I have a fair amount of updating to do on my Kraftwerk FAQ (mind you, that Simpsons episode is mentioned. :-) ), but one section which requires an immediate update is "Where is Kraftwerk's studio located?". According to Thom Weckert's Kraftwerk page, http://www.student.uni-koeln.de/~tweckert/kraftwerk/kwk_default.html , Kling Klang is "in a yellow building in D=FCsseldorf, near the central train station". Can anyone provide more details? _Should_ I make any of this information available in the FAQ? Or is Kling Klang at what is intended to be a completely private address? I'd hate to think I was contributing to the insecurity of Kraftwerk's studio, but obviously a lot of people are interested! Kevin PS Thom, if you're reading this, I'll update the links to your page soon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Marcus Fjellström" Subject: SV: (kw) Buying records or MP3? Date: 07 Aug 1998 15:11:30 +0200 >> On the other hand, there are as well people trying to become >> disgustingly rich by releasing commercial and mainstream acts >> just for the sake of the BIG BUCKS. The first thing MP3 will do >> to the music market is to get rid of these sleezebags. Then - as >> you no longer can become rich and famous making music, the >> big stars will disappear and what we have left is the true enthusiasts >> who cares about the music more than the money. > >You wish. Mainstream music is *so* ubiquitous and profitable that >the minimal percentage of money lost by MP3 piracy will have almost >zero impact. However, for an artist who is considerably less popular, >that percentage will be much greater. In other words, the rich will get >slightly less rich, but the poor will get much poorer. Doesn't sound >like a terribly good idea to me. This is interesting. You know, I'm thinking in a large perspective... many years from now, that is. As some sort of internet (or whatever it'll be called in the future) probably will be the basis for virtually all media, it is also very likely that music is distributed and sold as data over the net, as well as movies, etc. Then, if people can copy and spread the music without any problems, they probably will. So they won't need to buy Madonna's latest album, if they can get it for free. It's not nice for Madonna or her agents, but something tells me that she will cope. Honestly, you get my point. As well as I get yours. At this stage we can only speculate... >> Basically, I think it would get pretty interesting if the music >> scene would get de-commercialized. OK, there are people >> trying to make a living on their music, but there are also >> people trying to make a living by swallowing bicycles. It's not >> like it's the only thing they can do. There IS always an alternative, >> and the aim for someone making music should never be earning >> money. In my opinion art was never meant to be an industry. > >So you are now the arbiter of what a person can make a living >doing and what they can't? There are equally bad arguments to >say that I shouldn't be able to make a living doing computer >programming. I believe that a person should make a living >doing whatever it is they love to do, and if that thing is making >music, so be it. Come on, don't give me that. That was certainly not my point. I'm not saying that people shouldn't be able to make money on music, nor do I say that people shouldn't be able to make money swallowing bicycles. If they can, they should, if they can't, then, try something else. So you believe that a person should make a living doing whatever he likes doing? Some people like making music, some people like raping teenagers, some people like fishing. It doesn't give them a guarantee that they will be able to make a living from it. >> ...the best quality musicians are the ones who live for their >> music and not for the money they make - consequently >> they don't have that much money (as they aren't commercial >> enough). > >I fail to see what this has to do with stealing someone's livelihood >just because you don't think they should be able to make money >doing it. As a matter of fact, so do I. >> Two great examples... are the sort of musicians that >> make music develop, instead of squeezing the bucks >> out of music. And yes, though they are nationally >> known and respected, they don't make much money >> (I remember poor Mats had to sell one of his dearest >> synths to pay the rent a month ago) - but they live >> for the music instead of the fame and the money. >> And they wouldn't want it any other way. > >That's their choice, though, isn't it? Why are you against >folks like your examples and the Spice Girls coexisting? You >would deprive the masses of their bubblegum pleasure just >because it isn't "arty" enough for you? What is so >harmful by it? There will _always_ be bubblegum music. I just think it would be nicer if it came from musicians who loved doing that music instead of some label directors who loves the money it makes. A nice example is 'Auqa', they are not a constructed band such as the Spices etc. Aqua-esque bands would probably exist, as long as they like doing their music. >> OK, my point is: music in general would probably get better if >> the music INDUSTRY collapsed. > >If there was no popular music, no one would care about music >at all, and no one would want to be a musician, so there would be >no boundary pushers. It is highly likely that any person who is a >musician today is just like the rest of the masses out there in the >one sense that they were exposed to popular music as a >child. I wouldn't be interested in Kraftwerk, or any music at all, if >I hadn't heard the Rolling Stones, Paul McCartney, Dire Straits, >Fleetwood Mac, and all the other music my parents played. Are you high? 'Popular music' would most defenitely exist. Maybe I didn't make myself clear: if the music industry collapsed, the music following wouldn't only be 'arty music listened to by no one'. Do you think the only ones who like doing music are arty musicians? There would probably be tons of rock, pop, disco, whatever, floating around as public domain. Probably there will be certain 'music magazine sites' that, say, weekly publishes a 'digest' list of music for those who wants the music served to them on a silver plate (such as todays MTV top 20 viewers). You see, the POINT of all this I'm making is that music will finally become free. That people won't have to spend BIG money (like today) to be able to listen to music. >> Unfortunately people still need money to live. But who says >> music has to be full-time? >Again, who are you to say that it shouldn't be? Right, back at it: HAVE I EVER SAID THAT IT _SHOULDN'T_ BE? I've merely said that there are alternatives, that musicians don't have to rely on record sales to make a living. God damn! >> OK, start flaming. > >Not flaming, just rebutting. :-) Tomeyto, tomahto... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Buying records or MP3? Date: 07 Aug 1998 15:00:57 +0100 > Come on, don't give me that. That was certainly not my point. I'm not saying > that people shouldn't be able to make money on music, nor do I say that > people shouldn't be able to make money swallowing bicycles. Sacrilege! My bicycle is a temple! If it were organic, it'd be like eating the last dodo ;-) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Either/Or On/Off Date: 07 Aug 1998 15:44:55 +0000 B. Marcus Fjellstrvm wrote: >>> There IS always an alternative, >>> and the aim for someone making music should never be earning >>> money. In my opinion art was never meant to be an industry. >> and yet also >I'm not saying >that people shouldn't be able to make money on music, nor do I say that >people shouldn't be able to make money swallowing bicycles. If they can, >they should, if they can't, then, try something else. I infer from this that you see a split between people making music for money, and artists creating music for art's sake. As you correctly point out, there are alternatives to the music industry approach. But music (certainly not least electronic music) is, believe me, an expensive and time-consuming activity. There seems to me no justification for an art OR financial reward split. >So you believe that a >person should make a living doing whatever he likes doing? Some people like >making music, some people like raping teenagers, some people like fishing. >It doesn't give them a guarantee that they will be able to make a living >from it. Irrelevant and tasteless. >Are you high? 'Popular music' would most defenitely exist. Maybe I didn't >make myself clear: if the music industry collapsed, the music following >wouldn't only be 'arty music listened to by no one'. Do you think the only >ones who like doing music are arty musicians? There would probably be tons >of rock, pop, disco, whatever, floating around as public domain. Probably >there will be certain 'music magazine sites' that, say, weekly publishes a >'digest' list of music for those who wants the music served to them on a >silver plate (such as todays MTV top 20 viewers). Maybe it'll be delivered to our doors by monkeys on rollerskates. Probably they'll be blue rollerskates. Maybe red ones on Thursdays. >I've merely said >that there are alternatives, that musicians don't have to rely on record >sales to make a living. God damn! True. And maybe from the point of artistic perspective it's useful for a musician/composer to have a day job. Back to Kraftwerk: how does this relate? K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: (kw) Fernando Albrantes and Chuck D Date: 07 Aug 1998 09:27:29 +0200 Only a curosity, In the last Dance de Lux magazine (spanish magazine) there are a good article about Kraftwerk. The autor write that Fernando Albrantes was kicked from KW because in the 91 concerts he was laughing and dancing in scene... :) Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Kw-reference Date: 06 Aug 1998 21:29:50 +0200 >I've realised their fascination for Kraftwerk since their first album, >which contains a song called D=FCsseldorf. you mean that swedish band, no? because the german band La Duesseldorf also made a really nice song called Duesseldorf in the late 70's. (or early 80's?) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: RE: (kw) Fernando Albrantes and Chuck D Date: 07 Aug 1998 15:10:30 +0200 Hi again, >The autor write that Fernando Albrantes >was kicked from KW because in the 91 concerts >he was laughing and dancing in scene... Yes, Yes... Florian be careful when you play Pocket Calculator...!!! Ralf is becoming to have a poor opionion of you!!!! X-)) Sorry all people, in the Subject... I wrote Chuck D... but I forgot to write about him... Well... in the same article, at the end... the autor wrote a Chuck D (Public Enemy)declarations, taken from the book "Fight the power, Rap, Race and Reality". He said:(talking about KW and his meeting with them in Sellafield=B492 protest concert) "They are real computer makers. One of them invented the =B4toggle=B4 (power slide?), the curve control pit, and other things like these... They have many money with their patents. They have patented equipment, computers, software, hardware, gadgets and mixing tables" Sorry again for my bad english. Thanx and goodbye Regards Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) KW playing free jazz???? Date: 07 Aug 1998 22:29:07 +0100 i was on the us tour and i am not aware of them going to any jazz clubs... chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Fernando Albrantes and Chuck D Date: 07 Aug 1998 22:37:26 +0100 as soon as i saw him my friend-not a particular KW aficionado-and i looked at each other and said in unison:"he won't last." and he didn't .but does anyone know where he came from? and where he went? chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: RE: (kw) Fernando Albrantes and Chuck D Date: 07 Aug 1998 19:24:32 +0200 >as soon as i saw him my friend-not a particular KW aficionado-and i looked >at each other and said in unison:"he won't last." >and he didn't .but does anyone know where he came from? and where he went? :) The only thing that I know is that Albrantes is portuguese. Any portuguese in the list? Regards Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) test Date: 07 Aug 1998 23:26:58 EDT testing please. . . . . . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk In Japan Date: 08 Aug 1998 18:08:11 +1000 I have finally updated my web pages with some new material. "Kraftwerk In Japan 1981-1998" There are 3 audio files, including the Airwaves(Tango) track from 03/06/1998, and a whole heap of images I took at the shows in Tokyo. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk In Japan (with the URL Date: 08 Aug 1998 18:44:38 +1000 Adam Read wrote: > I have finally updated my web pages with some new material. > > "Kraftwerk In Japan 1981-1998" > > There are 3 audio files, including the Airwaves(Tango) track from 03/06/1998, > and a whole heap of images I took at the shows in Tokyo. http://www.world.net/~adamr Doh! Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: computermusic@post.cz Subject: (kw) Fernando Albrantes (need picture) Date: 08 Aug 1998 13:44:02 +0200 Hi All! Exists some picture of Fernando Albrantes on internet? Thanks Bye Computer Music alias Metropolis from Prague Czech Republic My E-Mail: computermusic@post.cz My Pages: Kraftwerk CZ http://www.music.cz/kapely/kraftwerk Computer Music http://www.mageo.cz/home/COMPUTER_MUSIC/ IRC channel #kraftwerk ( 18:00 - 24:00 CET) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Marcus Fjellström" Subject: Re: (kw) Either/Or On/Off (OFF TOPIC) Date: 08 Aug 1998 12:46:46 +0200 >I infer from this that you see a split between people making music for >money, and artists creating music for art's sake. As you correctly point >out, there are alternatives to the music industry approach. But music >(certainly not least electronic music) is, believe me, an expensive and >time-consuming activity. There seems to me no justification for an art OR >financial reward split. Actually, recording electronic music is in general much less expensive than recording acoustic and electroacoustic instrument music. But that's not the point of this discussion... just a footnote. >>So you believe that a >>person should make a living doing whatever he likes doing? Some people like >>making music, some people like raping teenagers, some people like fishing. >>It doesn't give them a guarantee that they will be able to make a living >>from it. > >Irrelevant and tasteless. Not irrelevant. Tasteless, perhaps. My apologies to anyone offended, but I just wanted to point out (in an extreme way) that no one should expect to be able to make money from what they like doing. But I agree, it was a bizarre longshot. >>Are you high? 'Popular music' would most defenitely exist. Maybe I didn't >>make myself clear: if the music industry collapsed, the music following >>wouldn't only be 'arty music listened to by no one'. Do you think the only >>ones who like doing music are arty musicians? There would probably be tons >>of rock, pop, disco, whatever, floating around as public domain. Probably >>there will be certain 'music magazine sites' that, say, weekly publishes a >>'digest' list of music for those who wants the music served to them on a >>silver plate (such as todays MTV top 20 viewers). > >Maybe it'll be delivered to our doors by monkeys on rollerskates. Probably >they'll be blue rollerskates. Maybe red ones on Thursdays. Now who's irrelevant? Very tasteful, though. >>I've merely said >>that there are alternatives, that musicians don't have to rely on record >>sales to make a living. God damn! > >True. And maybe from the point of artistic perspective it's useful for a >musician/composer to have a day job. Back to Kraftwerk: how does this >relate? It doesn't relate to Kraftwerk much at all. Sorry. I got out of hand and wheathered my non-popular 'communistic' philosophies about music one day becoming public domain. You have now all convinced me that money is the law that rules the world, and that the ones without it isn't allowed in the game. Sorry. Love, Marcus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Marcus Fjellström" Subject: (kw) Re: Buying records? (SLIGHTLY off topic) Date: 08 Aug 1998 12:47:46 +0200 Adam J Weitzman wrote: >If this will be possible over said "future net," then very few >companies will distribute music that way. Any "future net" >distribution channel will include encryption or whatever (like >a2b Music, for example) that will prevent you from rejiggering >it so that exact digital copies can be distributed freely. >Otherwise, this "future net" will never come to pass, because >the companies that make money distributing music today are >not stupid enough to jump into this kind of arrangement without >protection. Absolutely. There'd certainly be protection, but there will also be hackers that encrypt the music and pirate it over the net... and that would be why the music industry would become non-profitable. But perhaps the net-police will track down the pirates? I don't know. I'm just thinking out loud. >> Come on, don't give me that. That was certainly not my point. I'm >> not saying that people shouldn't be able to make money on music, > >I think you're treading an extremely fine line here. You say that >it should never be the aim of the artist to make money. Well, if >you want to make a living making music, then that has to be part >of the aim. Otherwise, you have to make a living doing something >else and make music for fun, which is another option, but >not the same thing. I guess you're right. But I still think it's said that one must think commercially when creating music, very sad. I was hoping that the death of the music industry would break ground for a better music mentality than the one we see so much of today. But I guess I'm just dreaming, and as my views are not popular, it's probably for the best. >> So you believe that a person should make a living doing whatever >> he likes doing? Some people like making music, some people like >> raping teenagers, some people like fishing. > >Raping teenagers is a red herring. I was referring to legal professions. >That was totally unnecessary. Perhaps. Still... I wonder why prostitution still is an illegal profession. Sexual diseases aside, it should be just as legal as musical prostitution (making music/love for money)... >> There will _always_ be bubblegum music. I just think it >> would be nicer if it came from musicians who loved doing >> that music instead of some label directors who loves the >> money it makes. A nice example is 'Aqua', they are not a >> constructed band such as the Spices etc. Aqua-esque bands >> would probably exist, as long as they like doing their music. > >Oh, please. I don't think Aqua have anything on the Spices, >either in intent, love of money, or anything else. I'm sure the >Spices love their jobs and the music they make, and I'm sure >Aqua love the money that's rolling their way. Maybe to different >degrees, but I don't think either of us are in a position to >judge the mindset of either of these acts. They're both just >fronts for fun music. Right, but my point is that there will probably be people making 'bubblegum' music because they enjoy doing it. I'm not saying that Aqua in particular are one of them, I'm saying that (quote:) Aqua-esque bands would probably exist, as long as they like doing their music. I chose not to have the Spice Girls as a reference as that is a constructed band (assembled by label directors and managers to create a selling pop band) and Aqua are friends who worked from the bottom. OK? >> Are you high? 'Popular music' would most defenitely exist. > >But it wouldn't *be* popular music as we know it today, it would >be popular music as it was in earlier centuries, except with your >"future net" as a worldwide distribution channel. See below how >well I think that will work. What do you mean by "earlier centuries"? >Not really, no. My point is, you can't tell the manufactured acts >any better than I can. For all I know, Ralf and Florian are only doing >it for the money. For all I know, that wasn't their intent when they started out, but the music industry probably corrupted them (as David Bowie says about his 80's albums: "I fell in love with the money I made more than the music, and started giving people what they wanted.") When Kraftwerk started out in the 60's they had the purest artistic intents, and if they now only do it for the money, well, then that's a good point I'm making: The commercial music industry makes the music suffer. Why are Kraftwerk not releasing a new album? Could it be, as many has stated, that EMI didn't find the new material 'available' enough? And could that be the reason for why their latest works have sounded like nothing but average (if that) standard techno music? What happened? Well, music industry happened. And it has corrupted Kraftwerk. >This latest tour certainly seemed like a money-making venture more than anything else. I still enjoyed the show though, because I separate the intent from the product. The music is all that matters. It is, isn't it? >If Aqua sounds similar to Spice Girls, >who cares whether one group is a bunch of corporate shills and >the other are dedicated to their craft? The same junk comes out >the other end. Yes, who cares if your wife really loves you or if she's just after your money? The same junk comes out the other end. >> There would probably be tons of rock, pop, disco, whatever, floating >> around as public domain. > >I imagine that most people who make art would at least like to retain >the option of making money off their art by copyrighting their works, as >little money as that might turn out to be. None of that stuff will be public >domain. Actually, if I just had money to get by, I'd defenitly put my music on the net as public domain. The thing I'd like more than making money is to have people respecting and appreciating my music. (that is MY music, not commercial music produced by me. Get it? Or am I too 'arty'? ;-) >> You see, the POINT of all this I'm making is that music will finally >> become free. That people won't have to spend BIG money (like >> today) to be able to listen to music. > >And here's my rebuttal to your point: There is nothing that prevents music >from being free today, except the artists themselves. There is no law that >says that if you make music, you have to try to make money distributing it. Yes, but as the option is there, people WILL try to make a living on it. OK, this has nothing to do with Kraftwerk. I guess we better drop this. Hope you don't mind me posting your (private?) quotes as a Kraftwerk message, I just thought this message could be of interest as it includes my little theory on Kraftwerk's latest tour, tracks, delayed album etc. Peace, and love! Marcus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: Continuing the off topic (kw) Either/Or On/Off thread... Date: 08 Aug 1998 11:47:01 -0400 First of all, I want to mention that I switched my KW traffic to my = full-service server for reasons I don't feel like wasting bandwidth to = explain (E-Mail me if you wish). I have been seen here in the past as n8tlc@juno.com I don't even remember who started this, but I'm going to add my 2c to it = (or 2p or whatever it is in your country) >>>There IS always an alternative, >>> and the aim for someone making music should never be earning >>> money. In my opinion art was never meant to be an industry. That may be true...but industry was never intended to be an art either, = although it frequently does. How does one define art? How does one = define industry, or music for that matter? >I'm not saying that people shouldn't be able to make money on music, = nor do I say that >people shouldn't be able to make money swallowing bicycles. If they = can, they should, if they can't, then, >try something else. And the people who are talented albiet unable to play the music they = like due to a lack of money should be provided the instruments they = like? }I infer from this that you see a split between people making music for = money, and artists creating music }for art's sake. As you correctly = point out, there are alternatives to the music industry approach. But = music }(certainly not least electronic music) is, believe me, an expensive and = time-consuming activity. There }seems to me no justification for an art = OR financial reward split. It certainly seems to me that the music industry wants to make moneyon = music (that IS their business), but there are many talented musicians = that will never make album 1. If you have the money, you can get your = record made, but if you don't, you have to demonstrate to an important = person that it is worthwhile to put money behind your music. Unfortunately this process leaves casualties. It is too bad that = everyone doesn't have the wherewithal to make their records and get them = known. >So you believe that a person should make a living doing whatever he = likes doing? Some people like >making music, some people like raping teenagers, some people like = fishing. >It doesn't give them a guarantee that they will be able to make a = living from it. }Irrelevant and tasteless. True to a point...but let's face it, how much music would actually be = produced if people couldn't make a living at it? From an "artistic" = standpoint, perhaps the resulting music would be good - but I suspect = that it would not, as only the rich would be able to create any real = music. Some of the best music came from the streets - the inner = cities, the hard life of the country, etc. It would remain there if not = for financially able people who could bring it out. >Are you high? 'Popular music' would most defenitely exist. Maybe I = didn't >make myself clear: if the music industry collapsed, the music following >wouldn't only be 'arty music listened to by no one'. Do you think the = only >ones who like doing music are arty musicians? There would probably be = tons >of rock, pop, disco, whatever, floating around as public domain. = Probably >there will be certain 'music magazine sites' that, say, weekly = publishes a >'digest' list of music for those who wants the music served to them on = a >silver plate (such as todays MTV top 20 viewers). Sure...and we can eliminate radio stations in the process... }Maybe it'll be delivered to our doors by monkeys on rollerskates. = Probably }they'll be blue rollerskates. Maybe red ones on Thursdays. That's about the size of it... >I've merely said that there are alternatives, that musicians don't have = to rely on record >sales to make a living. Of course not...they can play in garages and let their true artistic = freedom ring...or they can play in bars and clubs all night long, and = supplement their income with a day job. What a great concept! >God damn! I find this offensive. Shows how much you respect those with other = opinions... >True. And maybe from the point of artistic perspective it's useful for = a musician/composer to have a day >job. Back to Kraftwerk: how does this = relate? It would appear to relate because R&F had day jobs which, merely by = eliminating sleep time, allowed them time to make their music, as well = as a source of income to outfit Kling Klang Studio. Has it occured to no one that maybe, just maybe the reason that the = highly commercial, money making music succeeds is that many people like = it? The Spice Girls absolutely hate their rubbish, but do it only = because they can make money at it? I don't think so. Could it be that = some of these people actually ENJOY making their music and doing these = theatrics? Some people actually enjoy listeming to it? Kraftwerk isn't = as popular because there aren't as many people who like them? Naaaaaah, = couldn't be that. I don't know about how things are in the other countries this list goes = to, but here in the USA they don't chain you down and force you to = listen to any music. They don't have police in the record stores = telling you what you can and cannot like (although there are age = limitations on certain items). The record companies aren't stupid either - they keep what the people = buy, and stop producing what they don't. Many artists put out a record = or two, and never even make the charts. I can show you record store = after record store that has piles of records by people who made music = for artistic reasons - and the musician's idea of art didn't really fit = in with any others. Let me carry this discourse further...to it's logical end... Imagine a society where everybody who was an artist or musician could do = their form of art. You want to learn to play a synth? Done - what kind = do you want? It will be delivered this afternoon. Obviously you can't = learn how to play well if you have to work...so - you don't have to = work! The government will also provide your housing, your food, your = transportation, all you have to do is be artistic. How will this be paid for? Simple! Your friends and neighbours will be = happy to work extra hard, so you can make your music. The government = # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "aaron" Subject: RE: (kw) Re: Buying records? (SLIGHTLY off topic) Date: 08 Aug 1998 12:28:27 -0400 If you recall, the record companies FREAKED when tape-to-tape was introduced. They FREAKED when the CD-R was introduced. They're FREAKING over DVD-R. Copying has always been easy (relatively speaking), and gets easier as technology improves. That doesn't mean that the record industry is going to die. They've survived and will continue to do so. There are three main issues as I see it. 1. People are always going to violate copyrights. 2. The price of music will continue to increase as #1 increases 3. The record companies have to give you something that you can't get from a pirate copy to give people incentive to buy the original product (artwork, stickers, registration (?!), something tangible, something special). FWIW, there's something about owning an original. One, you know that some of your paltry salary is going toward the artist.. I've always looked at it as a "thanks" to them. I have most of the KW CDs, actually, the only one that I'm really missing is Autobahn. But, I have it on CD-R. When I see it for less than 40 bucks in the local record store, I'll buy it. Just so I can have the artwork, original CD, etc. There are tons of copyright inhibitors, but they will all be cracked, period. Just look at the Playstation. Mod Chip, bingo bango, copy Playstation CDs onto CDR. However, with something like that, you don't have to worry about the software development team not coming to your town for a live concert. My 0.02. Aaron # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: RE: (kw) Re: Buying records? (SLIGHTLY off topic) Date: 08 Aug 1998 17:42:23 +0100 (BST) The point has been made that "owning an original" has a kudos which will help stop piracy. Well, maybe so. This could be a good thing, considering some of the crap that gets put out by record companies, especially back catalogue stuff. The state of Kraftwerk's back catalogue on CD's a bloody joke really. I mean, they won't even RELEASE the first 3 ( 4, including Tone Float) albums!!! Yet people obviusly want to hear them (I love them!!)...so much so they resort to piracy. Kraftwerk can hardly moan that they are losing royalties, can they, if they won't release the material in the first place. =20 And most of the later albums' packaging is a sad travesty of Emil Schult's originals. Especially Autobahn, where Conny Plank & Klaus Roeder are "non-persons"! In the wider world, it is patently obvious to people the record company treatment of back-catalogues is one big rip off, since most re-issues come with barely a track-listing, never mind lyrics or original artwork. And how many times have you seen you "lifetime of listening pleasure" CD suddenly appear back in the shelves "remastered", because it's sound quality was actually complete crap. In any other situation, one would have the consumer right to bring back the original and have it replaced as substandard!! With CD's it's meant to be a bloody privelge to get to buy the "luxury" remastered version... And to think that the bloody things only cost =A31 to manufacture! =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Marcus Fjellström" Subject: (kw) WHO'S OFFENDED?? (off topic) Date: 08 Aug 1998 19:59:54 +0200 (B.M.Fjellström:)>>God damn! (William Dobiesz:)>I find this offensive. Shows how much you respect those with other opinions... Look; if you took your time reading what I was reacting on instead of taking the first opportunity to flame me and call me offensive, you might have discovered that I was upset by how he constantly misinterpreted what I was trying to say, of course I do respect his OPINIONS - it's got nothing to do with the way he (repeatedly) claimed that I was making a certain statement that I didn't make. I must say though that I think a lot of people on this list seem to suffer from people calling them offensive, even "fuckers" and "complete bastards" because they've written something that people think gives them a reason to lynch them. I, for one, feel offended when receiving this behavior. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. Regards Marcus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) MST3K Date: 08 Aug 1998 14:45:11 -0700 (PDT) As long as we're tossing around KW references, here's an obscure one. On Mystery Science Theater's "Zombie Nightmare" episode (an abysmal Canadian movie with Tia Carrera and Adam "Batman" West!), there's a scene in which two characters are shown playing tennis (or trying to anyway) over a lame synth soundtrack. One of the MST guys inquires, "Are they playing tennis with Kraftwerk?" Jeff _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Buying records? (SLIGHTLY off topic) Date: 08 Aug 1998 23:43:03 +0200 >the music industry would become non-profitable. But perhaps the net-police ok, non-profitable. then why not let copying become not profitable? I mean, toward buying the original. for instance, there are around some decent classical cd recordings that sell for around 10-12k liras, that's about 4 pounds or 7 dollars or so. if I want to copy one of these cd I'll have to spent 3-4k liras for a new writable cd, then leave 650-700 mb of hd free, then losing a lot of time... I'll prefer to pay something more to the guy of the record label who mastered it for me. ok, you are talking about net music. I'll have to pay telephone time, a provider, I'll have to have a computer... mind, there will be people without a computer in the next years! and they will be the majority I suppose. let's have the labels cut their costs and see what happen. stockhausen do sell his record on his own, and it may be not profitable but he is not in loss. his label was not able to do so. so there should be a lot of money spent on useless things by the label. maybe this is one of the cases in which large aggregation of business does not bring reduction of costs. let's conserve the standard concept of label for hyped preconfetionated girlie bands or usual top sellers like springsteen or u2 or this kind of things. anyway, what I don't really like is people thinking thay know more than me: I know very well that if I keep copying cd music business will stop and there will be no more such delicious things like the abovementioned groups. I do know very well, but I just DO NOT CARE. if you can stay in business only by menacing people of not doing things like copying discs, then get out of the balls. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: Continuing the off topic (kw) Either/Or On/Off thread... Date: 09 Aug 1998 00:04:32 +0200 >True to a point...but let's face it, how much music would actually be produced >if people couldn't make a living at it? From an "artistic" standpoint, well, maybe we would not miss the difference. soon after middle age singers went around offering their art to the rich or to the poor in the streets, and they managed to live, some of them quite comfortably. then again, music was just beginning to be keep in consideration as a serious art after the classic era. who know how many "street artists" we have all around offering their "art" for pennies, an art that will be formalized only in the next centuries? graffiters? ascii-artists? participants in internet-vehiculated forums? >Of course not...they can play in garages and let their true artistic freedom >ring...or they can play in bars and clubs all night long, and supplement >their income with a day job. What a great concept! why not? and if they don't make enough money with playing by night, then just stick with a normal day job. that's what I do. I'll really like to play with sinths and samplers and produce tours of the groups I like, but I will not make enough money from it, so I have a day time job. period. am I happy? sure. I think to have artistic attitude but I don't want to be a weight for society or to come to compromise with the tastes of the majority of buyiers, that quite franky I think are morons (not because they would not buy me - they would - but because they buy hyped stupid trash). when I'll have piled money enough to buy a decent instrumentation, maybe I'll put my music for free on the internet. who know. I have more serious ways to earn a living, if you want my music, then have it, until I have the wish and possibility to do it. maybe after listening it someone would like me to play somewhere, well, I'll see if I could quit day job for a while and if it's possible I'll ask a decent sum, and if the guy say yes then it's done, otherwise not. that's it, quite easy. everything else are complications. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: RE: (kw) Re: Buying records? (SLIGHTLY off topic) Date: 09 Aug 1998 00:07:56 +0200 >I'm really missing is Autobahn. But, I have it on CD-R. When I see it for >less than 40 bucks in the local record store, I'll buy it. Just so I can >have the artwork, original CD, etc. you will not have the original artwork all the way. you'll have some tiny scaled down grainy images. go for the vinyl if you want the original... :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@softhome.net Subject: (kw) needing help! Date: 08 Aug 1998 22:48:00 +0300 Hello to everybody!! (1) - As you may know, KW will come to Brazil in October... I REALLY NEED =46URTHER ADVICES on how to bootleg, and also I need help on to find a GOOD (~18Khz) mic that can be put on that (shitty) miniplug mic input of MZ-R30 (sony minidisc)... (2) - MR. NICOLAU CENTOLA - we need to talk, really! please call me, we need to arrange a possible fly to Rio De janeiro and we need to arrange about Sao Paulo, Jockey Club (crach=E1s de imprensa??) POR FAVOR ME LIGUE OU MANDE EMAIL! VAMOS FAZER UM BOOT DESSA MERDA!!! (3) - To all of you outside Brazil, please pray for us!!! we will try our best... But please remember that sound quality will be simply TERRIBLE at JOCKEY CLUB (the place where horses race), but if we can arrange to go to Rio de Janeiro, may be at MAM (modern art museum) we can get a better audio response!! Pray for lower security also... PRAY FOR US!! PRAY FOR US!! PRAY FOR US!! and someone, please, email me privately about mics for MZ-R30... many thanks!! best to all, AVELLAR. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@softhome.net Subject: (kw) needing help! Date: 08 Aug 1998 22:48:00 +0300 Hello to everybody!! (1) - As you may know, KW will come to Brazil in October... I REALLY NEED =46URTHER ADVICES on how to bootleg, and also I need help on to find a GOOD (~18Khz) mic that can be put on that (shitty) miniplug mic input of MZ-R30 (sony minidisc)... (2) - MR. NICOLAU CENTOLA - we need to talk, really! please call me, we need to arrange a possible fly to Rio De janeiro and we need to arrange about Sao Paulo, Jockey Club (crach=E1s de imprensa??) POR FAVOR ME LIGUE OU MANDE EMAIL! VAMOS FAZER UM BOOT DESSA MERDA!!! (3) - To all of you outside Brazil, please pray for us!!! we will try our best... But please remember that sound quality will be simply TERRIBLE at JOCKEY CLUB (the place where horses race), but if we can arrange to go to Rio de Janeiro, may be at MAM (modern art museum) we can get a better audio response!! Pray for lower security also... PRAY FOR US!! PRAY FOR US!! PRAY FOR US!! and someone, please, email me privately about mics for MZ-R30... many thanks!! best to all, AVELLAR. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FRANK X. CORDERO" Subject: Re: (kw) needing help! Date: 08 Aug 1998 21:38:17 -0700 >(3) - To all of you outside Brazil, please pray for us!!! we will try our >best... But please remember that sound quality will be simply TERRIBLE at >JOCKEY CLUB (the place where horses race), but if we can arrange to go to >Rio de Janeiro, may be at MAM (modern art museum) we can get a better audio >response!! Pray for lower security also... > >PRAY FOR US!! PRAY FOR US!! PRAY FOR US!! My prayers are with you. Kraftwerk will rock/electrify South America. "Musica electronica, Figura ritmica Arte Politica De la era atomica." Electric Cafe The Robots bless you. http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/kw2000.htm > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FRANK X. CORDERO" Subject: Re: (kw) needing help! Date: 08 Aug 1998 21:38:17 -0700 >(3) - To all of you outside Brazil, please pray for us!!! we will try our >best... But please remember that sound quality will be simply TERRIBLE at >JOCKEY CLUB (the place where horses race), but if we can arrange to go to >Rio de Janeiro, may be at MAM (modern art museum) we can get a better audio >response!! Pray for lower security also... > >PRAY FOR US!! PRAY FOR US!! PRAY FOR US!! My prayers are with you. Kraftwerk will rock/electrify South America. "Musica electronica, Figura ritmica Arte Politica De la era atomica." Electric Cafe The Robots bless you. http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/kw2000.htm > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "sd" Subject: RE: (kw) about New album... Date: 09 Aug 1998 01:23:56 -0400 Rafa > Yes, I think new album will be a new THE MIX 2. This is my impression > before the last KW tour. > > Probably track list... > > > 01. NUMBERS > 02. THE MAN MACHINE > 03. TOUR DE FRANCE > 04. POCKET CALCULATOR (Florian vs Chiquito de la Calzada mix)* > 05. NEONLIGHTS (please R&F put this one for me :-) (cut) I'd rather see nice CD-ROM or even DVD. Man, how I'd love to see those mesmerizing graphics on my PC... SD # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Hey SuP this Is Astro!!! Date: 09 Aug 1998 04:04:53 EDT I hang on aol for the phree warez and i have fun programming software to run along side it....lol maybe someday i'll graduate to a rea isp haahaa.....my interest in kraftwerk started only a year ago when i read about them and heard a clip of Autobahn in my german class..thanx to tim...ever since i've been on this holy crusade to find as many live mp3's and kraftwerk CD's as i can get my hands on if you have any mp3's of kraftwerk or the Smashing Pumpkins please let me know we could trade!!! ~Astro~ You can reach me at Astrolude@aol.com or TransitiveAxis@juno.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) MST3K Date: 08 Aug 1998 21:19:24 -0400 On Mystery Science Theater's "Zombie Nightmare" episode (an abysmal Canadian movie with Tia Carrera and Adam "Batman" West!), there's a If it was a good movie it wouldn't be MST3K... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Re: Buying records? (SLIGHTLY off topic) Date: 08 Aug 1998 21:16:33 -0400 > The point has been made that "owning an original" has a kudos which = will >help stop piracy. the ONLY thing that will stop piracy is when nobody accepts = pirate material...I don't see that happening. > Well, maybe so. >This could be a good thing, considering some of the crap that gets put = out >by record companies, especially back catalogue stuff. Even back in the days of vinyl, the reissues were almost always inferior = quality. Pirates have been even more uncertain... > The state of Kraftwerk's back catalogue on CD's a bloody joke really. You've got that right! Only nobody is laughing... >I mean, they won't even RELEASE the first 3 ( 4, including Tone Float) >albums!!! Yet people obviusly want to hear them (I love them!!)...so = much >so they resort to piracy. Kraftwerk can hardly moan that they are = losing >royalties, can they, if they won't release the material in the first = place. I don't mind saying that I own a CD-R copy of R&F - and I feel grateful = to own it at all. All I need now is Tone Float. I would go out right now and buy them if I could...=20 > In the wider world, it is patently obvious to people the record = company >treatment of back-catalogues is one big rip off, since most re-issues = come >with barely a track-listing, never mind lyrics or original artwork. But (I don't know about where you are) the reissues are more expensive = than the originals were. And how many times have you seen you "lifetime of listening pleasure" = CD suddenly appear back in the shelves "remastered", because it's sound quality was actually complete crap. More than a few. > In any other situation, one would have the consumer right to bring = back >the original and have it replaced as substandard!! With CD's it's meant = to >be a bloody privelge to get to buy the "luxury" remastered version... =20 And they're saying the way they did it before was no good... >And to think that the bloody things only cost =A31 to manufacture! I heard it was less than that. =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) German Tour de France text Date: 09 Aug 1998 15:43:04 +0200 Eine Frage an die deutschsprachigen Mitglieder der Liste. A question to the German speaking list members. Some days ago I got the sampler "21 Racing Tracks - Tour de France". I hoped Bartos´ version of "Tour de France" is more understandable than the original. Pustekuchen! Bitte wer oder was "dreht ein großes Blatt" ? Who is "rotating a large blade" ? Weiß jemand mehr als ich ? Does anybody know ? Danke. Thanks. Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mallade" Subject: (kw) some kw live pix Date: 09 Aug 1998 18:24:00 +0200 Hi, Sorry if this has been said before, I was off-list... Anyway there are some k=FAl KW live pictures here http://www.popfolio.com= / Regards. Fermin fgoiriz@arrakis.es http://members.tripod.com/~mallade # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Kw-reference Date: 09 Aug 1998 21:21:44 +0200 I meant the Swedish band. The group mainly does guitar-based pop/rock. = I haven't heard the song, but I think it's an instrumental = semi-electronic song. /Joakim -----Original Message----- >I've realised their fascination for Kraftwerk since their first album, >which contains a song called D=FCsseldorf. you mean that swedish band, no? because the german band La Duesseldorf also made a really nice song called Duesseldorf in the late 70's. (or early 80's?) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tommi =?iso-8859-1?Q?L=F6ytynoja?=" Subject: (kw) Why "Stop"? Date: 08 Aug 1998 03:17:12 +0300 I've seen here some discussion on when did Kraftwerk put that "Stop (etc.)" bit in the Radioactivity. Well, that's a mildly interesting question, but the main question is WHY did they do that? Why did they ruin the ambiguity of the original for some politically correct statement? Statements are so boooooring, whereas ambiguities are the very essence of art. Loytynoja (Monty Python: Where's the ambiguity? It's over there in the box.) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: (kw) Help REALLY needed!!! Date: 08 Aug 1998 14:09:14 +0300 Hello to everybody!! (1) - As you may know, KW will come to Brazil in October... I REALLY NEED =46URTHER ADVICES on how to bootleg, and also I need help on to find a GOOD (~18Khz) mic that can be put on that (shitty) miniplug mic input of MZ-R30 (sony minidisc)... (2) - MR. NICOLAU CENTOLA - we need to talk, really! please call me, we need to arrange a possible fly to Rio De janeiro and we need to arrange about Sao Paulo, Jockey Club (crach=E1s de imprensa??) POR FAVOR ME LIGUE OU MANDE EMAIL! VAMOS FAZER UM BOOT DESSA MERDA!!! (3) - To all of you outside Brazil, please pray for us!!! we will try our best... But please remember that sound quality will be simply TERRIBLE at JOCKEY CLUB (the place where horses race), but if we can arrange to go to Rio de Janeiro, may be at MAM (modern art museum) we can get a better audio response!! Pray for lower security also... PRAY FOR US!! PRAY FOR US!! PRAY FOR US!! and someone, please, email me privately about mics for MZ-R30... many thanks!! best to all, AVELLAR. Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. * http://members.tripod.com/~AVELLAR - under construction! * mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas W." Subject: Re: (kw) Kling Klang Date: 08 Aug 1998 22:00:57 +0200 Kevin Busby wrote: > As always I have a fair amount of updating to do on my Kraftwerk FAQ (m= ind > you, that Simpsons episode is mentioned. :-) ), but one section which > requires an immediate update is "Where is Kraftwerk's studio located?". > According to Thom Weckert's Kraftwerk page, > http://www.student.uni-koeln.de/~tweckert/kraftwerk/kwk_default.html , > Kling Klang is "in a yellow building in D=FCsseldorf, near the central = train > station". > > Can anyone provide more details? _Should_ I make any of this informatio= n > available in the FAQ? Or is Kling Klang at what is intended to be a > completely private address? I'd hate to think I was contributing to the > insecurity of Kraftwerk's studio, but obviously a lot of people are > interested! > > Kevin > > PS Thom, if you're reading this, I'll update the links to your page soo= n. The address is Mintropstrasse 16, in D=FCsseldorf. One story: not too far= away from KlingKlang, there was indeed a (small) Kraftwerk, the train station in D=FCsseldorf h= ad it's own little power plant, but during the extensive reconstructions on the train station in t= he mid 80's, it was removed and blown up. Who knows, maybe this power plant gave them the idea that "Kraftwerk" might be a good band name?? Thomas. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: (kw) Help REALLY needed!!! Date: 08 Aug 1998 20:44:33 +0300 Hello to everybody!! (1) - As you may know, KW will come to Brazil in October... I REALLY NEED FURTHER ADVICES on how to bootleg, and also I need help on finding a GOOD (~18Khz) mic that can be put on that (shitty!) miniplug mic input of MZ-R30 (sony minidisc)... (2) - MR. NICOLAU CENTOLA - we need to talk, really! please call me, we need to arrange a possible fly to Rio De janeiro and also about Sao Paulo - Jockey Club (press entries?) POR FAVOR ME LIGUE OU MANDE EMAIL! VAMOS FAZER UM BOOT DESSA MERDA!!! TANTO EM SAO PAULO QUANTO NO RIO! (3) - To all of you outside Brazil, please pray for us!!! we will try our best... But please remember that sound quality will be simply TERRIBLE at JOCKEY CLUB (the place where horses race), but if we can arrange to fly to Rio de Janeiro, may be at MAM (modern art museum) we can get a better audio response!! Pray for lower security also, so everything may be possible! PRAY FOR US!! PRAY FOR US!! PRAY FOR US!! and someone, please, email me privately about mics for MZ-R30... many thanks!! only the best to all, AVELLAR. Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. * http://members.tripod.com/~AVELLAR - under construction! * mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jorge Figueiredo Subject: RE: (kw) Fernando Albrantes and Chuck D Date: 09 Aug 1998 03:23:01 +0100 Rafa wrote: > > The only thing that I know is that Albrantes is portuguese. > > Any portuguese in the list? > Yes, there are at least two. But I don't know a thing about this guy, apart from his nationality. BTW, the correct name should be Abrantes. Cheers, Jorge Figueiredo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) hiya this is astro Date: 09 Aug 1998 03:34:37 EDT I hang on aol for the phree warez and i have fun programming software to run along side it....lol maybe someday i'll graduate to a rea isp haahaa.....my interest in kraftwerk started only a year ago when i read about them and heard a clip of Autobahn in my german class..thanx to tim...ever since i've been on this holy crusade to find as many live mp3's and kraftwerk CD's as i can get my hands on if you have any mp3's of kraftwerk or the Smashing Pumpkins please let me know we could trade!!! ~~Astro~ You can reach me at Astrolude@aol.com or TransitiveAxis@juno.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "marcello siqueira" Subject: (kw) Kraftconcert in Brazil!!!! Date: 09 Aug 1998 14:31:04 PDT Hi I'm George and telling you the news about the first Kraftwerk's concert here in South America, after a terrible 30 years waiting. Dates confirmed for october. Details 'bout last gigs and concerts (gear, songs' list, look, etc) would be great. Thanks a lot!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Non Kraftwerk question Date: 09 Aug 1998 22:26:30 EDT Am going soon to Paris...Does anyone know the best electronic/techno nightclubs....and also the best cd/record shops for techno in Paris...? Thanx for any info!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Kling Klang & other thangs Date: 10 Aug 1998 11:36:41 +0000 Thomas W. wrote: >The address is Mintropstrasse 16, in D=FCsseldorf. Many thanks Thomas, and everyone else who emailed me the address. The question remains though whether this should really be a "secret" address or whether it's acceptable for it to be recorded in the FAQ. Maybe some of the relative "insiders" on the list might have an intuition about this? Does the studio's address appear in Duesseldorf telephone directories etc? B. Marcus Fjellstrvm wrote: >>True. And maybe from the point of artistic perspective it's useful for a >>musician/composer to have a day job. Back to Kraftwerk: how does this >>relate? > >It doesn't relate to Kraftwerk much at all. Sorry. I got out of hand and >wheathered my non-popular 'communistic' philosophies about music one day >becoming public domain. No need to apologise, I meant the question quite literally, not as a rebuke! I think it's quite a relevant debate to Kraftwerk. Jeff Young wrote: >Does anyone else think it odd, in light of the fact that there IS an album >"Ralf & Florian," that Ralf is frequently referred to as "Ralph." It's not as bad as Blaine Reininger's tribute song to Kraftwerk, 'Rolf (sic) and Florian Go Hawaiian...'! >This always conjures up Ralph Kramden, an odd image to be sure, but in a >pinch >he could probably serve as conductor of the TEE. It's more fun to commute. Tommi L=F6ytynoja wrote: >I've seen here some discussion on when did Kraftwerk put that "Stop >(etc.)" bit >in the Radioactivity. Well, that's a mildly interesting question, but >the >main question is WHY did they do that? Why did they ruin the ambiguity >of the >original for some politically correct statement? >Statements are so >boooooring, >whereas ambiguities are the very essence of art. Surely Kraftwerk were being "political" rather than "politically correct" - and I presume they changed the lyrics because the subject is something they feel strongly about. But "ambiguities are the very essence of art" is certainly a persuasive manifesto. Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: (kw) For spanish users ( KW in Discoplay) Date: 10 Aug 1998 13:18:26 +0200 Hi ! Discoplay (post selling-music magacine), this month includes a page with = 8 KW records. Discoplay dedica una p=E1gina de su cat=E1logo a Kraftwerk. (8 discos de KW en formato CD). Electric Cafe Radio-activity TEE Computer World The Man Machine Autobahn The MIX Concert Classics Buena noticia, ya que el mes pasado les envie una petici=F3n de discos de= KW y no ten=EDan nada... Algo se mueve :-) KW se esta redescubriendo (Aleluya!). Something is mooving Regards Juan Prieto - MuSiK musik@cheerful.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Kling Klang & other thangs Date: 10 Aug 1998 08:07:42 EDT I think the KlingKlang address should NOT be available as a FAQ. The studio's presence is not advertised in Duesseldorf (neither on the building nor in yellow pages, phone books or directory enquiries). Allegedly there is no telephone. I think we ought to respect the privacy of the human beings that make this music we claim to love. For all the Machine-mythology-bullshit that they surround themselves with (and that's hyped by the likes of us lot) they exhibit very human characteristics... like being shy and private people. If you think they deserve being hounded by "fans" then publish the address. If you want them to have the working environment they need to make their music, leave it the 'secret' it is now. Karl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: (kw) KW desktop Date: 10 Aug 1998 14:11:35 +0200 Does anybody know where I can find some good KW pictures for the desktop of my PC? Thanks, Didi robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: (kw) .mod files Date: 10 Aug 1998 14:25:21 +0200 What program my PC needs to read .mod files ??? Didi robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) .mod files Date: 10 Aug 1998 06:26:00 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Christian Di Sante wrote: Responding to the list in case anyone else was wondering... > What program my PC needs to read .mod files ??? There are tons of them. Just fire up a web browser and search for mod players. I recommend Cubic Player, if you're running DOS. It supports most sound cards and file formats and generally works well. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: RE: (kw) Kling Klang & other thangs Date: 10 Aug 1998 09:49:19 +0200 >If you think they deserve being hounded by "fans" then publish the addre= ss. >If you want them to have the working environment they need to make their >music, leave it the 'secret' it is now. Don=B4t worry, Remember that Kling Klang is completely portable... They c= ould move to another secret place... for example a Spacelab around Jupiter, called KLING KLANG II ;-) Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Kling Klang & other thangs Date: 10 Aug 1998 13:44:27 +0100 Karl: >If you think they deserve being hounded by "fans" then publish the address. >If you want them to have the working environment they need to make their >music, leave it the 'secret' it is now. Well, I think anybody who really wanted to find the location of their studio could easily do so regardless of the address being listed in the FAQ or not. D=FCsseldorf is a small city after all. As an aside, do you think that Mintropstrasse 16 may one day become a place of pilgrimage in the same way EMI Abbey Road is today? It has an equally significant place in the history of popular music, IMOSVHO= . Just a thought... jon alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Oehler" Subject: (kw) Definition of the KW sound... Date: 10 Aug 1998 08:08:32 -0500 I was chatting with some geek-buddies of mine this weekend, and naturally I had "Man Machine" on the CD player. One of the guys had never heard them before, and asked what they were all about. After some discussion, this is what we came up with: "Music that occasionally fails the Turing test." ---- Eric Oehler http://www.itis.com/~wonko wonko@itis.com Finger for PGP key By pressing down this special key, it plays a little melody # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: computermusic@post.cz Subject: (kw) .mod files Date: 10 Aug 1998 15:43:28 +0200 Hi! > > What program my PC needs to read .mod files ??? Simply use winamp with mod's plug in. www.winamp.com Bye Computer Music alias Metropolis from Prague Czech Republic My E-Mail: computermusic@post.cz My Pages: Kraftwerk CZ http://www.music.cz/kapely/kraftwerk Computer Music http://www.mageo.cz/home/COMPUTER_MUSIC/ IRC channel #kraftwerk ( 18:00 - 24:00 CET) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timour Jgenti Subject: (kw) The Man-Machine remix Date: 10 Aug 1998 16:54:53 +0200 Hi, I made a little funny remix of "Man-Machine" which sounds pretty like a plain dancefloor tune now. If you want to check it out I've put a .mp3 of the whole song at: http://www.mygale.org/~timlcf/elektrosila/audio/mmm.zip well, it's just for fun, but I enjoyed making it and it sound quite well after all... Tim. -- Timour JGENTI ________________________________________________ _______________ timour.jgenti@ifp.fr _______________ http://www.mygale.org/~timlcf/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timour Jgenti Subject: (kw) Komputer mp3 Date: 10 Aug 1998 16:57:15 +0200 I've also setup 2 .mp3 by Komputer online: http://www.mygale.org/~timlcf/kw/bonus/ enjoy :-) Tim -- Timour JGENTI ________________________________________________ _______________ timour.jgenti@ifp.fr _______________ http://www.mygale.org/~timlcf/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik J" Subject: Re: (kw) Why "Stop"? Date: 09 Aug 1998 23:46:08 PDT >Tommi Loytynoja: > >I've seen here some discussion on when did Kraftwerk put that "Stop >(etc.)" bit >in the Radioactivity. Well, that's a mildly interesting question, but >the >main question is WHY did they do that? Why did they ruin the ambiguity >of the >original for some politically correct statement? Statements are so >boooooring, >whereas ambiguities are the very essence of art. I totally agree. That ambiguity and the whole idea of radioactivity as being both radio activity (i.e. radio transmissions) and radioactivity (nuclear power-related) which the "Radio-Activity" album was based on, was completely lost in the new version. I mean, what's the point of including "it's in the air for you and me" in the new version when it is abruptly followed by a "Stop radioactivity!"? That wonderfully naive and ambiguous phrase loses its meaning. As for why they put it in there, I think it's just another sign that Kraftwerk has lost it a bit in recent years (recent being the years from "The Mix" up until now). I think they are no longer 'in touch' in such a brilliant way that they used to be. Since this is my first mail to this list, I might as well include a short introduction. My name is Erik Jälevik, I'm Swedish and 22 years old, and I have been a Kraftwerk fan for at least half of that period. I think they're easily the best and one of the most influential bands ever, but after seeing them live for the first time at Tribal Gathering last year (even though it was a very pleasurable experience) I'm of the general opinion that they have lost it. I know this seems to be a bit of a controversial subject on this list (I scanned some of the archives and found some heated debates about this) but please don't start flaming me now just because of that, I'm still a huge fan and I love the old records as much as anyone. My favourite is, by the way, "Computer World". That's a masterpiece! / E ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Orjan Engstrom Subject: Re: (kw) .mod files Date: 10 Aug 1998 14:31:12 +0200 At 14:25 1998-08-10 +0200, you wrote: > >What program my PC needs to read .mod files ??? > Use the winamp mp3 player The new one can use all kind of sound files, I think Go to: http://www.winamp.com =D6rjan http://www.mds.mdh.se/~ing96oem/ UIN:707212 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Krenn Subject: RE: (kw) Kling Klang & other thangs Date: 10 Aug 1998 14:50:26 +0200 > Don=B4t worry, Remember that Kling Klang is completely=20 > portable... They could > move to another secret place... for example a Spacelab around = Jupiter, > called > KLING KLANG II If they move it, why call it kling klang II?? It's still the same kling klang, isnt it?=20 ;^D //Robert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) various Date: 10 Aug 1998 08:57:59 -0700 (PDT) AVELLAR wrote: >To all of you outside Brazil, please pray for us!!! we will try our best... But please remember that sound quality will be simply TERRIBLE at JOCKEY CLUB (the place where horses race), but if we can arrange to go to Rio de Janeiro, may be at MAM (modern art museum)we can get a better audio response!! Pray for lower security also... >PRAY FOR US!! PRAY FOR US!! PRAY FOR US!! It's only a concert, enjoy it, you're not flying anti-Taliban raids in Afghanistan. I think prayer would be a little melodramatic in this case. William Dobiesz wrote: >>On Mystery Science Theater's "Zombie Nightmare" episode (an abysmal Canadian movie with Tia Carrera and Adam "Batman" West!) >If it was a good movie it wouldn't be MST3K... This is obvious. I was trying to trash the film quickly without explaining the MST3K concept in detail to those unfamiliar with it. I guess I should have just let it go unexplained. Kevin Busby wrote: >>This always conjures up Ralph Kramden, an odd image to be sure, but in a pinch he could probably serve as conductor of the TEE. >It's more fun to commute. Damn! Wish I'd thought of that. Jeff _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Måns Sjöstrand Subject: Re: (kw) Why "Stop"? Date: 10 Aug 1998 19:21:01 +0200 Erik J wrote: >I'm of the > general opinion that they have lost it. I know this seems to be a bit o= f > a controversial subject on this list (I scanned some of the archives an= d > found some heated debates about this) but please don't start flaming me > now just because of that, I'm still a huge fan and I love the old > records as much as anyone.=20 OK...but the only reason I let this pass by is becouse this was your first mail to the list, remember that! :-) Regards M=E5ns # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: Re: (kw) Kling Klang & other thangs Date: 11 Aug 1998 06:45:04 +1000 Kevin Busby wrote: > Thomas W. wrote: > > >The address is Mintropstrasse 16, in Düsseldorf. > > Many thanks Thomas, and everyone else who emailed me the address. The > question remains though whether this should really be a "secret" address or > whether it's acceptable for it to be recorded in the FAQ. Maybe some of the > relative "insiders" on the list might have an intuition about this? Does > the studio's address appear in Duesseldorf telephone directories etc? The Kling Klang address was not always so 'secret'. In the Decemeber 1981 issue of an Australian magazine called Fast Forward, which included an interview with RH, a last line stated: "Contact Kling Klang studio, Montrop Strasse 4, Dusseldorf, Germany" Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas W." Subject: (kw) KW live Date: 10 Aug 1998 23:44:33 +0200 > KRAFTWERK are confirmed to play two shows at the London Royal Festival > Hall on October 4 and 5.The gigs look likely to be their only > appearances in the UK this > year and sources close to the band have told NME they will be playing > two sets featuring music recorded before 1974's 'Autobahn' album. > This is what a friend told me. Thomas. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Johnson Subject: (kw) Searching for the Emerald City. Date: 10 Aug 1998 15:23:45 -0700 A request for the our East-Coast USA list members: A Kraftwerk (R.Hutter) interview I have a copy of is said to have taken place at a club called "Emerald City" which is said to reside somewhere in New Jersey. This interview supposedly took place during July/August of 1981, during the "Computer World" tour. Checking Twingos' list of concert dates of that time turns up no dates in New Jersey. So, does anyone know ANYTHING about this facility called the "Emerald City"???? Private replies or to the list would be appreciated. Many thanks. -Keith Johnson kj@gmnameplate.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrell Fuhriman Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and The Simpsons Date: 10 Aug 1998 17:29:29 -0700 writes: > I recently saw an old episode of The Simpsons (for those of you not familiar, > it is an animated American TV sitcom series). The plot involved the search > for a sunken treasure (paintings), which turned out to belong to a German > Count. At the end of the show, the authorities return the paintings to the There's also the episode where Mr. Burns sells the power plant to a group of German investors. It was called "Burns verkaufen der Kraftwerk"[1], episode 8F09[2]. No other references, though. :) Darrell... even further off topic.. [1] Of course, as any German speakers would point out, it should be titled "Burns verkauft das Kraftwerk" [2] http://www.snpp.com/episodes/8F09.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik J. Eid" Subject: (kw) Fritz and Henning Date: 10 Aug 1998 20:44:16 Greetings! I have been curious about the two "new" members of Kraftwerk, Fritz Hilpert and Henning Schmitz, since seeing the recent concert in Detroit. All I know of Fritz is that he was involved in some engineering on "The Mix" and the '91 tour. Does anyone have any background on either of these two, such as other musical works, mini-bios, etc.? TIA! . . \_ +\_ + o_-/ . O . \-_o -=/- . . . . \=// . ---------\_______ ||O ___.______ /* Erik Eid */ \____||L/\_____/ /* eeid@wwnet.net */_______________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "conny.annica" Subject: (kw) Komputer live on Swedish radio Date: 11 Aug 1998 07:11:22 +0200 I'm sorry to post these news a few hours too late... Yesterday (Monday) Swedish national radio (P3) sent a liverecording of Komputer. (Don't know from where or when, and no, I didn't hear it. Maybe someone recorded this?) Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric.Schader@gambro.com Subject: (kw) Kid Creole and Florian ??? Date: 11 Aug 1998 10:00:58 +0200 To make a long story short. I went to see Kid Creole and the Coconuts in Helsingborg this saturday (8:th). It was only the Kid left from the original cast but they still managed to pull of a great show for 2 hours despite the terribly wether. The stage was set on the beach and it was windy and raining on and off. This made me scan the net for any homepage on KC&TC and I did find ONE. Aparently they have kept on making records all through the 90ties and I found one listed that made me jump a bit. It's an album calle "The Conquest of you" from 1997. The thing is that listed as "Music and Lyrics" among August Darnell (Kid Creole for those of you who didn't know) and Taco Ockerse was someone called F Scheyder-Eisleben. Now could this be our dear Florian who has been missprinted??????? or am I out on a limb here???????? Please, does anyone know anything more about this? The album was Published by Polygram Songs Musikverlag GmbH, Hamburg and recorded at Milestone Studios, Hamburg/Germany Thanks Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) ra to aiff (OFF TOPIC) Date: 11 Aug 1998 13:28:20 +0100 Does anybody on the list know of a =2Era to =2Eaiff converter? (Sorry about the off topic, but maby this is singnificant to more listies than me)=20 Regards/johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Kling Klang & other thangs Date: 11 Aug 1998 12:49:40 +0100 >>The address is Mintropstrasse 16, in Dusseldorf. > > Many thanks Thomas, and everyone else who emailed me > the address. The question remains though whether this > should really be a "secret" address or whether it's > acceptable for it to be recorded in the FAQ. Maybe > some of the relative "insiders" on the list might have > an intuition about this? Does the studio's address appear] > in Duesseldorf telephone directories etc? Insiders eh? Well, as you ask... =2E..yesterday I was out on my bike enjoying a fine summer evening wh= en who should I bump into but Florian and Ralf, also having a cycle. Ralf takes his cycling very seriously and usually doesn't have much t= o say other than 'hello'. Florian, on the other hand, is very chatty and like to stop for a glass of beer occasionally and swap dirty jokes. The pair are a common sight on the country roads around Mettmann and other small towns near D=FCsseldorf, although I hadn't bumped into them since before their early summer tour of Japan and th= e US. On their return they played concerts in Spain and Denmark before hitting the road again, this time closely following the Tour de France. However, Florian was uncharacteristically subdued this evening and Ralf did most of the talking. Apparently an incident had occurred on the US leg of the tour that had disturbed Florian and he had become very concerned about stalkers. Although Florian was extremely reluctant to discuss the matter, they both became very interested whe= n I mentioned the current debate on the Kraftwerk list regarding the question of publicizing the address of Kling Klang in a FAQ. Their response was simultaneous and immediate: "nein!" They had several concerns, most obviously that they would become victims of stalking. Equally they worried about the interruption of their daily routines and creative processes. They were afraid that i= t would become impossible for them to visit their favorite haunts in th= e area because they would be recognized by socially dysfunctional young men in anoraks who would spoil their coffee and ice-cream by pesterin= g them for autographs. They are uncomfortable with the presence of outsiders at the best of times. Apparently the "Technopop" sessions had suffered great disruption whilst Central Television were making =93Auf Weidersein, Pet=94 in the early 1980's. After shooting was ov= er for the day, Gary Holten and Jimmy Nail, accompanied by several members of the production crew, would go out and get rip-roaring drun= k in the local bars. After the inevitable ejection, they would trawl the late night cafes around the railway station in a quest for yet more beer, terrorizing the locals with bawdy drinking songs and outrageous lechery. Ralf, Florian, and entourage, also frequented these cafes and found the vulgar behavior of these =93Englische Schweinhunde=94 most upsett= ing. It was simply impossible to discuss and develop a socio-political concept for the new album in such an environment. Often the revelers would end their evening in the time honored fashion and visit the Kebabhaus Mintrop (renowned for the best donner in north west Germany), a mere stones throw from the studio itself. This invidious situation had so preoccupied Ralf that one afternoon, in a moment of absent mindedness, he actually fell off his bike. Soon after the 'Technopop' album project was abandoned. Another real concern was th= e deterioration of the environment around the studio building itself, should it ever become a Mecca for obsessives. For some reason they were particularly concerned with the possibility of deranged fans scrawling grotesque caricatures on the outside walls of the studio building itself. Florian started to shuffle around uncomfortably at this point, so it seemed an opportune moment to bid them farewell and be on my way. ;-)) jon alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) ra to aiff (OFF TOPIC) Date: 11 Aug 1998 12:57:15 +0100 johan: Does anybody on the list know of a .ra to .aiff converter? (Sorry about the off topic, but maby this is singnificant to more listies than me) if you've got a windows machine, download the realaudio encoder from the realnetworks website (it's free). this allows you to dump audio streams from .ra files as .wav (as i recall). you can then use goldwave or something to convert the .wav to an .aiff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) Kling Klang & other thangs Date: 11 Aug 1998 12:54:27 +0100 (BST) On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Jon Alsbury wrote: > > Insiders eh? Well, as you ask... > > ...yesterday I was out on my bike enjoying a fine summer evening when > who should I bump into but Florian and Ralf, also having a cycle.... Who needs real info from Kling Klang when the fans can make up such entertaining stuff all by themselves! DAVE ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Poolton Subject: (kw) JA is a liar! Date: 11 Aug 1998 13:34:40 +0000 JA Wrote: ...yesterday I was out on my bike enjoying a fine summer evening when who should I bump into but Florian and Ralf, also having a cycle. What a load of old tosh Jon. If you were a real fan you'd've noticed that, when they emerge from behind their consoles to perform their mime to The Robots, both Ralf and Florian have very skinny legs that don't have knees. So they cannot possible ride bikes can they? Rich P (here to protect the innocent from spurious claims) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) JA is a liar! Date: 11 Aug 1998 08:50:00 EDT After reading tour reports from hurt west atlanticers I would have thought that Florian preferred his exercise in a more horizontal position. Was he riding a recumbent ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) JA is a liar! Date: 11 Aug 1998 14:13:28 +0100 >After reading tour reports from hurt west atlanticers I would have thought >that Florian preferred his exercise in a more horizontal position. > >Was he riding a recumbent ? a Recumbent? What's that? Some kind of ultra high-tech bike? :-P # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) JA is a liar! Date: 11 Aug 1998 14:13:18 +0100 >What a load of old tosh Jon. If you were a real fan you'd've noticed >that, when they emerge from behind their consoles to perform their mime >to The Robots, both Ralf and Florian have very skinny legs that don't >have knees. So they cannot possible ride bikes can they? damn! you've caught me out Rich! :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colatina Radio Som Ltda." <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) KRAFTWERK in BRASIL !!! Date: 11 Aug 1998 11:00:16 -0300 KRAFTWERK will play in BRASIL !!!!! =20 ALELUIA!!!! Dear brazilians; lets see the show !!! Please, write me privately. Eduardo Monteiro 97fm@colatina.com.br R=E1dio 97 FM Colatina E.S. =20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Sv: Re: (kw) Kling Klang & other thangs Date: 11 Aug 1998 15:45:29 +0100 >> ...yesterday I was out on my bike enjoying a fine summer >> evening when who should I bump into but Florian and Ralf Johan: > Didn't ask them about the album progress? arse! I knew there was something I'd forgotten... ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) KW to play Megadog Festival Date: 11 Aug 1998 10:46:11 EDT Are any listheadz attending this weekend's most illustrious MEGADOG BEACH FESTIVAL in Cornwall ? (808 State, Dreadzone, Eat Static, etc.) If anyone is, please mail me privately for a get together and animated discussion on the subject of anoraks. K.W. could be my initials.... Karl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Krenn Subject: RE: (kw) Komputer live on Swedish radio Date: 11 Aug 1998 11:04:16 +0200 > I'm sorry to post these news a few hours too late... > > Yesterday (Monday) Swedish national radio (P3) sent a liverecording of > Komputer. (Don't know from where or when, and no, I didn't hear it. > Maybe someone recorded this?) I heard just a little of it... It was a live recording from The swedish synth festival (or somthing) in gothenburg earlier this year. No I didn't record it either ... :( //Robert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fenris" Subject: Re: (kw) Kid Creole and Florian ??? Date: 11 Aug 1998 08:56:28 -0400 > >To make a long story short. >I went to see Kid Creole and the Coconuts in Helsingborg this saturday >The thing is that listed as "Music and >Lyrics" among August Darnell (Kid Creole for those of you who didn't >know) and Taco Ockerse was someone called F Scheyder-Eisleben. Now could >this be our dear Florian who has been missprinted??????? or am I out on >a limb here???????? allow me to go out on a limb and say that yes, you are going out on a limb. =) [djfenris] fenris@ids.net gothic industrial dj to the stars resident DJ @ Communion (providence, ri) http://www.retina.net/communion and DJ of Fuse @ Manray (boston) http://users.ids.net/~fenris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) KW to play Megadog Festival Date: 11 Aug 1998 16:35:01 +0100 Karl: >K.W. could be my initials.... so which of those bands do you play in matey? jon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RHC Subject: RE: (kw) Komputer live on Swedish radio Date: 11 Aug 1998 21:32:14 +0100 At 11:04 11-08-98 +0200, Robert Krenn wrote: >It was a live recording from The swedish synth festival (or somthing) in >gothenburg earlier this year. Yep, SEMA, Swedish Electronic Music Awards in Gothenburg. I was there and saw the concert. It was an ok concert but Komputer begins to bore me after 2 or 3 songs. The accompanying visuals were quite good though. If anyone wants to read a review of the whole evnt, check out the URL below. -Rene ICQ UIN 2193840 A Staff Member of Last Sigh Magazine For Underground Music http://www.waste.org/lastsigh # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) KW sample Date: 11 Aug 1998 22:48:58 -0300 I don't know if anybody had post it, but "David Holmes" release "Let's Get Killed" has at "Radio 7" song a good saple of The Telephone Call. Nice song. Nicolau http://members.xoom.com/HerBros/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark reed Subject: (kw) Attention Roland Date: 03 Aug 1998 02:25:56 +0100 Roland Metyzger can I have your address? I have something for you! PS> Saw Autobhan on Tommorows World last night (on video)... not only were R + F doing vocals.. they said they wanted to dispense of keyboards and use sound suits... -- mark reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: (kw) Ralf&Florian on list Date: 12 Aug 1998 10:27:44 +0200 Do you think Ralf&Florian read this list everyday ??? Didi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Brown (The Data Base - Nottm.)" Subject: RE: (kw) Ralf&Florian on list Date: 12 Aug 1998 09:33:22 +0100 > Do you think Ralf&Florian read this list everyday ??? > Unlikely. They're far too busy churning out yet another album. MJB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf&Florian on list Date: 12 Aug 1998 04:37:31 EDT It's read for them by the robots # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@softhome.net Subject: (kw) various Date: 12 Aug 1998 11:17:27 +0300 Hi to everybody! First, I would like to thank all the nice people that emailed me with lots of mic names and tech specs, so now I've got a lot to research, thanks to: tweibrecht@juno.com, "Steve" , Sergio Bayarri Gausi , Adam Read and Roland Metzger . People like you helps to make this list usefull, and NOT JUST A BUNCH OF NONSENSE DISCUSSIONS... Thanks again!! :-)) Second, At 08:57 -0700 10/08/1998, Jeff Young wrote: >AVELLAR wrote: >>To all of you outside Brazil, please pray for us!!! we will try our >best... But please remember that sound quality will be simply TERRIBLE >at JOCKEY CLUB (the place where horses race), but if we can arrange to >go to Rio de Janeiro, may be at MAM (modern art museum)we can get a >better audio response!! Pray for lower security also... >>PRAY FOR US!! PRAY FOR US!! PRAY FOR US!! > >It's only a concert, enjoy it, you're not flying anti-Taliban raids in >Afghanistan. I think prayer would be a little melodramatic in this >case. enjoy? surely. melodramatic? only if you see the surface of it! IT'S REALLY DRAMATIC!! By what I know, Kraftwerk concerts were only on USA-Europe-Japan, NOW IT'S THE FIRST TIME THE GRANDPAS ARE GOING FAR FROM THAT - and as it was said that this (or 1999) MAY BE THE LAST TOUR(S) - as they are older and tired, as they have enough money (since the begining they had?), as Florian may be on aids (or not), or any other f*cking reason, don't matter! - me and my brazilian pals, we are trying to do our best to watch, record, film, photograph... anything. why, if they are probably going to play the same shit from ZKM, Japan and USA? Because that is not 100% sure! They MAY play something new (as they MAY tought that brazilian audiences would be 'fresher' than USA or Europe), or they may even sing Pocket Calculator in portuguese (Calculadora de Bolso), or none at all... No one can know what will happen, and we must be prepared. Brazilian news just don't know a shit about KW, as they said that Karl Bartos and Wolfgang Flur were still part of the group! There are also REMOTE possibilities of MTV-Brasil or Rede Globo (TV stations) record part or the entire festival (as KRAFTWERK will play in the same festival of many other international artists - FREE (cigar brand) JAZZ FESTIVAL). On last years, they recorded part of the festival - as surely KRAFTWERK is not as popular as other groups, I personally think that it will have few chances of being broadcasted (maybe some 'flashes' or a tune)... But me and Nicoulau, we know some people at MTV-Brazil and we will try to convince they that it's an historic event that sould be recorded - but surely we have few chances on it. Yesterday I contacted a guy that knows 'Tio Chico', the most famous bootlegger in Brasil - it's said that he knows A LOT of people and that he may get a console-direct DAT from any concert - also, I personally don't believe on that, but I will try to! We will go to Rio de Janeiro (far from 500km from SP) and Sao Paulo concerts - at least for now it's almost sure that two persons will be recording the concerts (both) to miniDISC, unfortunatelly we could not get portable DATs - too rare and expensive here! Some two other people may be taking photos (35mm inexpensive cams will be allowed WITHOUT flashes, so film 1000 will be needed!) - for now, no idea on the possibility of filming the concert - probably it will be impossible, except if they put big screens (others than KW's 4) to the audiences on the back to see the show - if this happen, it will be easy to get a VHS of the concert (as it happened with many other artists)... By what I know, there's an english guy coming to Brazil with his girlfriend just to watch the concert!!! What a lucky guy! I wish I could had done that on Japan or USA... :-(( !!!!! :-)) Well, I can't remember of anything else...!!! That's the story for now. As you could see, Mr. Jeff Young, things may be much more dramatic that Y O U could see... best to all, AVELLAR. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: (kw) millions&millions Date: 12 Aug 1998 17:39:22 +0200 How many millions records KW sold in 30 years of (radio) activity ??? Didi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Marcus Fjellström" Subject: SV: (kw) KW sample Date: 12 Aug 1998 13:01:20 +0200 >I don't know if anybody had post it, but "David Holmes" release "Let's >Get Killed" has at "Radio 7" song a good saple of The Telephone Call. >Nice song. And while we're at it: The first seconds of the first track on Chemical Brothers' first album includes a quite apparent sample of "Ohm sweet ohm". The booklet informs us that the track contains a sample from a Blake Baxter song, but it says nothing about Kraftwerk. Maybe people think that nowadays Kraftwerk is free to sample - as they're the most sampled band in the world? Love Marcus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: SV: (kw) KW sample Date: 12 Aug 1998 18:11:54 +0100 (BST) Yes, when I heard the radio one broadcast of this, I recognised a brief snippet of that, and though " oh! they played Ohm Sweet Ohm but it got cut from the braodcast"... but later a friend expalined to me that it was just the Chemical Brothers... On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, B. Marcus Fjellstr=F6m wrote: > And while we're at it: The first seconds of the first track on Chemical > Brothers' first album includes a quite apparent sample of "Ohm sweet ohm"= =2E > The booklet informs us that the track contains a sample from a Blake Baxt= er > song, but it says nothing about Kraftwerk. Maybe people think that nowada= ys > Kraftwerk is free to sample - as they're the most sampled band in the wor= ld? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) millions&millions Date: 12 Aug 1998 14:07:53 EDT I don't know... the only thing I've heard (or read) is that the sales figures for Electric Cafe are shrouded in mystery. Apparently, they were embarrasingly low. EC continues to be the hardest album to get hold of in the UK. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Kid Creole and Florian ??? Date: 12 Aug 1998 14:07:54 EDT why not... Florian's a saucy sunshine boy after all. Ask Robot ! Perhaps he even secretly penned the line "Oh Anny, I'm not your daddy"... *snigger* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: SV: (kw) KW sample Date: 12 Aug 1998 14:07:49 EDT I doubt whether KW are actually The most sampled band in the world. Most of their sounds on available media are after all "old" sounding sounds. I think it's much more likely that manufacturers and programmers of common machinery (eg. Roland synths) provide presets which are KW-esque. IMHO it's not necessary to go through the (comparative) hassle of sampling from KW dodgy analogue recordings when you can use the presets on just about any synth to sound even better. Sorry for farting in Church...so flame me ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: SV: (kw) KW sample Date: 12 Aug 1998 14:51:35 EDT If you listen closely to Chemical Brothers you'll find loads of KW stuff going on. Not necessarily samples, but - for example - rhythms reprogrammed using different sounds. Can't remember the track names now (sitting in my office). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicolau Centola" Subject: (kw) some KW considerations... Date: 12 Aug 1998 10:56:41 PDT >As an aside, do you think that Mintropstrasse 16 may one day >become a place of pilgrimage in the same way EMI Abbey Road is >today? It has >an equally significant place in the history of popular music, Good point Jon. If it depends on me, Kling Klang Studio would have always a candle to light the pilgrim's road. I traveled to Europe in 96 and pass near Dusseldorf, by car at night. I thought a lot to stop the car and visit the city (I had the KK address, of course), but decided to continue my trip and let Dusseldorf to a special visit. I will prefer spend several days at the city to capture the Dusseldorf aura and maybe understand the context of KW creation and existence. And of course visit Mintropstrasse, get down on my knees and light a candle... :-) BTW, Jon, great story about your cycle meeting... :-) Maybe we could start an Imaginary KW Stories Contest??? > KRAFTWERK are confirmed to play two shows at the London Royal Festival > Hall on October 4 and 5.The gigs look likely to be their only > appearances in the UK this > year and sources close to the band have told NME they will be playing > two sets featuring music recorded before 1974's 'Autobahn' album. > This is what a friend told me. Are you sure about that, Thomas? Your friend is a trustable font? Anybody cantacted Royal Festival Hall to confirm this info? Well, it's possible... KW demanded that all equipment must be sent to Brazil by plane and not by ship (the cheapest way)... maybe because they will play some days before 16-17 and a ship will not come in time? Look, I'm not confirming anything, just supposing... >Does anyone have any background on either of these two, such as >other musical works, mini-bios, etc.? Eric, Gunther has a lot of info (musical works) about Fritz and Henning at his page: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/3713/discogra.html >melodramatic? only if you see the surface of it! IT'S REALLY DRAMATIC!! Eduardo, don't get so upset... some ironic posts are just for fun... Of course the KW concerts will be very important to brazilian fans, but european fans are more sceptics about the future of the band, and I'm inclined to believe in some of these statements. Of course I will enjoy so much the both gigs, but remember that many things don't depend on our desires. And not everything can be write or tell before we or someone done it! peace e um abraco a todos Nicolau ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) Florian's coconuts/Brazil/cycling Date: 12 Aug 1998 09:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Eric wrote: >The thing is that listed as "Music and Lyrics" among August Darnell (Kid Creole for those of you who didn't know) and Taco Ockerse was someone called F Scheyder-Eisleben. Now could this be our dear Florian who has been missprinted??????? or am I out on a limb here???????? You're not at all out on the limb as far as I'm concerned. A recent application in the US trademark gazette to protect the trademark "KRAFTWERK" (I work at a law firm) listed the applicants as "Hu[e]tter, Ralf and Schneider-Esleben, Florian" of Du[e]sseldorf, FRG. Is Florian's hyphenated surname not widely known? I can shed no further light on this track, however. ... AVELLAR wrote: >enjoy? surely. I don't see where there would be time for enjoyment. >melodramatic? only if you see the surface of it! IT'S REALLY DRAMATIC!! Seeing Kraftwerk was the culmination of my 17 years as a fan and was the best live experience I've ever had. That is dramatic. Melodramatic is beseeching others to pray on my behalf so that I can document the concert in every aspect of high-tech multimedia. >me and my brazilian pals, we are trying to do our best to watch, record, film, photograph... anything. Not that you have any right to do so (except watching), unless KW explicitly allows it, which is highly unlikely. I don't condone these activities. >why, if they are probably going to play the same shit from ZKM, Japan and USA? If it's shit, why do you want to see and document it? I saw it and it was most definitely not shit. >Because that is not 100% sure! They MAY play something new (as they MAY tought that brazilian audiences would be 'fresher' than USA or Europe), or they may even sing Pocket Calculator in portuguese (Calculadora de Bolso), or none at all... No one can know what will happen, and we must be prepared. >or what might happen? >Brazilian news just don't know a shit about KW At least they make the news in Brazil--there was nary a mention in New York. This is not just Brazilian media but universal, I imagine. >By what I know, there's an english guy coming to Brazil with his girlfriend just to watch the concert!!! What a lucky guy! I wish I could had done that on Japan or USA... :-(( !!!!! :-)) Someone's got a lot of money--not the first time that sort of thing has happened. >As you could see, Mr. Jeff Young, things may be much more dramatic that Y O U could see... No, I'm not even sure I understand what you are saying here. I think the efforts you describe to record every aspect of this concert almost necessarily preclude its enjoyment. But that's me. Enjoy it but don't make it more than it is or you're bound to be disappointed. ... Finally, as for Jon Alsbury's pseudo-encounter with R & F, it reminded me that my friend Joe, with whom I saw KW in NYC this summer, passed on seeing KW in Sheffield once but saw Ralf & Florian riding expensive racing bikes around a racing track in a nearby park. Art imitates life, I guess. My Werk is done, Jeff _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Florian's coconuts/Brazil/cycling Date: 12 Aug 1998 15:14:38 EDT Schneider's double-barrel (ahem...) is widely known. Ask Robot !!!! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank Moriarty Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk at Emerald City Date: 12 Aug 1998 18:15:32 -0400 Keith Johnson asked if Kraftwerk actually did play a mysterious venue in New Jersey called Emerald City -- and the answer is yes, they did. I was unable to attend the show but know people who did attend. Emerald City was located in Cherry Hill, New Jersey, just across the river from Philadelphia. In the late 1970s it was renamed Emerald City, ending its run as the Latin Casino. While it was the Latin, it hosted everybody from Frank Sinatra to Liza Minelli, and once it became Emerald City it ran the gamut from Psychedelic Furs to Stiff Little Fingers to the Pretenders etc. It was a large place with multiple rooms, the largest having a capacity of (rough guess) 1500-2000. I'd rate it as one of my all-time favorite places to see bands, similar to the Bond's in NYC. It only survived through the New Wave era, and began a decline that included a murder in the parking lot with the body being dumped in the nearby Cooper River. The space was torn down in the mid-1980s. And that, Keith, is probably more than you ever wanted to know! Regards, Frank -- For info on my books and articles, please visit: http://www.voicenet.com/~portiam/frank/ You'll find things that go fast and make a lot of noise! *************************************************** I want to hear and see everything... -- Jimi Hendrix *************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik J" Subject: Re: (kw) KW sample Date: 12 Aug 1998 16:05:17 PDT >And while we're at it: The first seconds of the first track on Chemical >Brothers' first album includes a quite apparent sample of "Ohm sweet ohm". >The booklet informs us that the track contains a sample from a Blake Baxter >song, but it says nothing about Kraftwerk. Maybe people think that nowadays >Kraftwerk is free to sample - as they're the most sampled band in the world? I don't think that's the case in this case... I read an interview with the Brothers where they were talking about the technical aspects of the making of that album (think it was in Future Music) and they said that the "Ohm Sweet Ohm" bit wasn't sampled. Apparently they had been messing around with a vocoder and come up with the sound themselves, but I doubt it, because it sounds exactly like the KW tune. Another thing about samples: Does anyone know if artists have to put everyone they've sampled down on the sleeve or does the sampled artist decide this? I've noticed samples on records that aren't listed on the sleeve while other samples are... Strange, or not? /E ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf&Florian on list Date: 13 Aug 1998 01:53:33 +0200 >Do you think Ralf&Florian read this list everyday ??? mmmh... no. without offence but I don't think they are really so much interested in computer to be net literate. maybe an estetic (sp?) interest, but not very much more. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) millions&millions Date: 13 Aug 1998 02:23:50 +0100 (BST) On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: > EC continues to be the hardest album to get hold of in the UK. Eh? It's in pretty much every HMV and Virgin! It's out on EMI - hardly an obscure label... DAVID # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim L. Jones" Subject: RE: (kw) KW sample Date: 12 Aug 1998 21:55:43 -0400 Ahh yes, people who've sampled Kraftwerk... my first run in with that was/is New Order, in particular the original versions of "Blue Monday", that choral sound i discovered was from "uranium"... needless to say, i got a good laugh out of it, since it's sort of legendary now... cheers all... > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of tg97 > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 9:49 PM > To: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (kw) KW sample > > > > I don't know if anybody had post it, but "David Holmes" release "Let's > Get Killed" has at "Radio 7" song a good saple of The Telephone Call. > Nice song. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@softhome.net Subject: (kw) Re: Florian's coconuts/Brazil/cycling Date: 13 Aug 1998 02:21:07 +0300 Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:20:42 -0700 (PDT), eff Young wrote: >Seeing Kraftwerk was the culmination of my 17 years as a fan and was >the best live experience I've ever had. That is dramatic. 17 years? For me it's 15 years, but it feels like an eternity. Each one has a different perception of time... >Melodramatic is beseeching others to pray on my behalf so that I can >document the concert in every aspect of high-tech multimedia. Many people on the list is interested on that, I'm sure - that's the best part of this! If you are not, ok. Just delete the messages! >>why, if they are probably going to play the same shit from ZKM, Japan >and USA? >If it's shit, why do you want to see and document it? I saw it and it >was most definitely not shit. SHIT is to repeat a tour with the 90% of the same material from the previous... not even different mixes! They are getting in the same (WRONG!) way as JARRE... But sorry Jeff, I will not start to discuss the meaning of 'shit' in this context, which also would include the well-known KW's attitude with fans,... blah.. blah... blah.. If you wish to do it, contact me privately, no problema! - I will not fill this list with more conjectures. >No, I'm not even sure I understand what you are saying here. >I think >the efforts you describe to record every aspect of this concert almost >necessarily preclude its enjoyment. But that's me. Enjoy it but >don't make it more than it is or you're bound to be disappointed. Correctly! that's YOUR OPINION! Those efforts surely don't 'preclude' my enjoyment, I can asure you. You can be sure that all these preparations will get their 'climax' on the concert nights. Let me get to the point: it's like when you start dating with a girl, then you go to the cinema, then a dinner, and finally after some time, 'more interesting things happens' - it will be just the same (sorry for such a machist metaphor!)!! Anyway, I would like to accept and thank your votes of enjoyment. Again, if you wish to develop this discussion, let's do it privately. >My Werk is done, >Jeff Your WERK?!?!?... Sorry again Jeff, but THAT sounds REALLY melodramatic!!! :-)) (no offense Jeff...!!) :-) Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:56:41 PDT, "Nicolau Centola" wrote >Eduardo, don't get so upset... some ironic posts are just for fun... Of >course the KW concerts will be very important to brazilian fans, but >european fans are more sceptics about the future of the band, and I'm >inclined to believe in some of these statements. Thanx Nicolau. That's really the point, posts for fun are useless!! but ok. Esses gringos realmente enchem o saco! Pelo menos tem gente fina ai que esta' ajudando bastante! best to all, (Eduardo) AVELLAR. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Smady Menko Subject: Re: (kw) Kid Creole and Florian ??? Date: 12 Aug 1998 23:10:08 -0700 (PDT) ---MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: > > > why not... Florian's a saucy sunshine boy after all. Ask Robot ! > > Perhaps he even secretly penned the line "Oh Anny, I'm not your daddy"... > Ahhhh.... I think you definitely have got something here since the Kid wrote the song for someone he knew that had this experience. The matter is settled then, right ;-) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Weckert Subject: Re: (kw) some KW considerations... back from the future... Date: 13 Aug 1998 09:51:00 +0200 (MST) > BTW, Jon, great story about your cycle meeting... :-) Maybe we could > start an Imaginary KW Stories Contest??? > Good idea! Might be funny!! Around two years ago, a friend and me developed the story that Ralf & Florian timetravelled in the DeLorean into the the future, where they read in the music- almanach that The Mix was their last album, so they travelled back to 1995 (or was it 1985??) in the DeLorean on the Autobahn to do their best album ever, but when they arrived, Bartos meanwhile left Kraftwerk and ripped off their music. Thomas. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: (kw) 2nd Kraftwerk Book Date: 13 Aug 1998 09:26:54 +0100 Just a quick note:- Has anyone got hold of the new Kraftwerk book yet? And if so, is it any good, cos I wanna buy it before I return to thailand on saturday if it's out.... ciao Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) 2nd Kraftwerk Book Date: 13 Aug 1998 11:22:45 +0100 >Has anyone got hold of the new Kraftwerk book yet? And if so, is it any >good, cos I wanna buy it before I return to thailand on saturday if it's >out.... Julze - went to Tower in Pic Circus yesterday - no sign of the book there. also emailed the guy who posted to the list a couple of weeks back - he's only taking advance orders at present, so i reckon it'll two or three weeks before it's out at the earliest (someone did mention September as the publication date). i'm sure something can be sorted out if the book appears whilst you're away. jon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Walton" Subject: (kw) 2nd Book? Date: 13 Aug 1998 10:49:32 +0100 Hi there Has any body got any details on this second Kraftwerk book, such as Name/Publisher/Ref no. and where I can get it from Thanks Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Marcus Fjellström" Subject: SV: (kw) KW sample Date: 13 Aug 1998 03:40:54 +0200 >I don't think that's the case in this case... I read an interview with >the Brothers where they were talking about the technical aspects of the >making of that album (think it was in Future Music) and they said that >the "Ohm Sweet Ohm" bit wasn't sampled. Apparently they had been messing >around with a vocoder and come up with the sound themselves, but I doubt >it, because it sounds exactly like the KW tune. I'd say the brothers are talking bollocks to save their asses. If that is not the original Oooohm sample, I'll have my ears retired. /Marcus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: RE: (kw) Kw-reference Date: 12 Aug 1998 11:59:25 +0200 > I meant the Swedish band. The group mainly does guitar-based pop/rock. I > haven't heard the song, but I think it's an instrumental semi-electronic > song. /Joakim -----Original Message----- >I've realised their fascination for Kraftwerk since their first album, >which contains a song called Düsseldorf. you mean that swedish band, no? because the german band La Duesseldorf also made a really nice song called Duesseldorf in the late 70's. (or early 80's?) Please, can you tell me which Swedish band are you talking about? Thank you in advance. I'm looking forward to hearing from you. Automatisierungtechnik DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) Rare tracks Date: 13 Aug 1998 15:37:57 +0200 Hello, I'm looking for somebody to tape me some tracks by Kraftwerk like Tour de France (German language version), Pocket calculator (French language version), Housephone, Truckstop Gondoliere (?), Computer World LP (Japanese language), etc., and others rare tracks. I offer to swap for any bootleg tape I have to. Toccata Electronica, Central Passage - Firenze May.19.1981 Norwich UK 18.6.92 Rebuilt In 92 (part II), Enregistreé, Numbers, Nº1 to Zurich, The First DJ Edition, Heute Abend, Brain to Midi, Sonar Festival Barcelona June 18th 98, Blitz Akasaka Tokyo Japan 2CD 3rd Jun 98, Roskilde Festival (Denmark) June 25th 98, ZKM Multimedia Hall 19972CDLive ZKM, October 18th, 1997. Germany, Tribal Garthering Luton Hoo (24.5.97) or any CD/CDs recording on tape. Organisation Tone Float CS Autobahn Radioactivity Radioaktivität Trans-Europe Express Trans-Europa Express The Man Machine Die Mensch Maschine The Robots compilation US edit Computerwelt Electric Cafe Electric Cafe (German Edition) The Mix (German Edition) Radioaktivität 91 Trans-Europe Express CDs Showroom Dummies CDs ELEKTRIC MUSIC Esperanto Crosstalk TV Lifestyle and the videotapes: Live In Sheffield 16.7.91 Video-Aktivität VHS Video-Aktivität II VHS Please e-mail me if you're interested. Cheers! DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Concert Classics Live Album - now also released on Vinyl! Date: 13 Aug 1998 23:13:06 +0200 Concert Classics Live Album - now also released on Vinyl! That's what my friend at the local record company told me. He has the vinyl in his hands. No difference to the CD release apparently. Looks like KW still haven't stopped Cranch Records bringing out the Goodies. Who are we to complain? Good luck finding it! Roland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Kw-reference Date: 14 Aug 1998 09:23:51 +0200 The band is called Bob Hund. /Joakim -----Original Message----- > I meant the Swedish band. The group mainly does guitar-based pop/rock. I > haven't heard the song, but I think it's an instrumental semi-electronic song. /Joakim -----Original Message----- Please, can you tell me which Swedish band are you talking about? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: (kw) (OT) ICQ list Date: 14 Aug 1998 11:57:18 +0100 I have a new ICQ number: 17225953, however I've lost the URL for the KW listies ICQ page - can anyone help? ta, jon alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Concert Classics Live Album - now also released on Vinyl! Date: 14 Aug 1998 13:12:56 +0200 (DFT) > Concert Classics Live Album - now also released on Vinyl! > That's what my friend at the local record company told me. He has the > vinyl in his hands. No difference to the CD release apparently. > > Looks like KW still haven't stopped Cranch Records bringing out the > Goodies. Who are we to complain? According to the NME, the record company claims that the album "has been released with the band's full co-operation" (http://www.nme.com/reviews/reviews/19980101001391reviews.html). > Good luck finding it! The vinyl version, as well as the Japanese CD edition ("Autobahn Tour 1975", release date: 23.09.1998) can be ordered from Groove Records (http://www.groove.nl). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Henning Schmitz / "SoundScapeDesign" Book Date: 14 Aug 1998 13:16:36 +0200 (DFT) It seems that Henning Schmitz contributed to the book "SoundScapeDesign" by Hans Ulrich Werner. The text below is quoted from http://interact.uoregon.edu/MediaLit/FC/WFAENSL/NSNL05.html. Does anyone have any closer datails about this book? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke SoundScapeDesign Hans Ulrich Werners neues Buch SoundScapeDesign - KlangWelten HoerZeichen mit Compact Disc wird in diesen Tagen ausgeliefert. In neun Kapitel sind die Leitplanken-Texte von H.U. Werner gegliedert: Soundscapes - Akustikdesign - Landschaft Hoeren - Urban soundscapes - Music soundscapes - Radio soundscapes - Tv Soundscapes - Film soundscapes - Virtureal soundscapes - und Infos. Mit Inserts in Deutsch und Englisch von Volker Bernius, Claudius Bruese, Christian Colmorgen, Gary Ferrington, Golo Foellmer, Thomas Gerwin, Martin Hoemberg, Detlev Ipsen, Uwe Kraemer, Bodo Lensch, Eric Leonardsen, Francisco Lopez, Emmanuelle Loubet, Pawn Mallozzi, Albert Mayr, Jim Metzner, Rene van Peer, Klaus Ploch, Michael und Joachim Ruesenberg, Markus und Michael Rust, Klaus-Peter Sattler, Henning Schmitz, Claude Schryer, Ralf Thier, Uli Tobinsky, Martin Toepler, Johannes Wallmann, Ursula Weck, Georg Weckwerth, Hildegard Westerkamp, Klaus Wittig. Eine metason Produktion, Akroama 1997. ISBN 3-9520335-2-9. 504 Seiten + CD. ca. DEM 60. Vorbestellung bei: Akroama, Hammerstr. 14, CH - 4058 Basel. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin Niedergesaess Subject: (kw) Karl Bartos special on german Radio station Date: 14 Aug 1998 13:18:50 +0200 Tonight (19:10-20:30) on the german radio station HR1 a special abaut Karl Bartos and Curt Smith (ex Tears for Fears) http://www.hr-online.de/hf/hr1/sendungen/schwarzweiss/index.html Martin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) la! NEU?: "Cha Cha 2000" Date: 14 Aug 1998 13:17:49 +0200 (DFT) The la! NEU? 2-CD "Cha Cha 2000" is now available on Indigo as a German import. Catalogue number: Captain Trip/Fuenfundvierzig/Indigo 2CD 8460-2. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) Concert Classics Live Album - now also released on Vinyl! Date: 14 Aug 1998 12:22:07 +0100 (BST) On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > > Concert Classics Live Album - now also released on Vinyl! > > According to the NME, the record company claims that the album "has > been released with the band's full co-operation" > (http://www.nme.com/reviews/reviews/19980101001391reviews.html). And why wouldn't it be, anyway? The versions of Autobahn & Kometenmelodie are SUPERB!! I do find it annoying that the recoring just fades out in the middle of TANZMUSIK though, without any explanation, and the incorrect track names and line-up on the sleeve in a bit sloppy. DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) some KW considerations... back from the future... Date: 13 Aug 1998 08:07:21 -0400 >Good idea! Might be funny!! Around two years ago, a friend and me >developed the story that Ralf & Florian timetravelled in the DeLorean >into the the future, where they read in the music- almanach that The Back To The Future featuring Kraftwerk? An interesting concept...I like it. Bill Dobiesz N8TLC@juno.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Concert Classics Live Album - now also released on Vinyl! Date: 14 Aug 1998 20:55:06 +0100 no way has it been released with the permission of KW...and that's a fact, folks! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: RE: (kw) Concert Classics Live Album - now also released on Vinyl! Date: 14 Aug 1998 21:05:39 +0100 (BST) Well, how do you know that, my man? Anyway, it doesn't need their permission; it needs the permission of whoever owns the recording, which would appear from the sleeve-credits to be EMI.... they have obviously given that permission, cos there's not a snowflake's chance in hell that the corporate giant EMI would stand for it's material being touted to the public in pirate form in chain stores up and down Britain (and indeed the world) And more fool Kraftwerk for *not* giving their permission! If they'd co-operated in the release, by supplying artwork, photos, and line-up / sleeve information (like what the bloody songs were called) then the packaging of the release would have been much improved. And also maybe the record wouldn't fade out in middle of TANZMUSIK!!! ( *why* does it do this !?!?!) If Ralf & Florian honestly think this music isn't worth hearing, well... I really don't know - what *is* the matter with them=AC? It's probably the best version of Autobahn I've ever heard. DAVE On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, Chris Raistrick wrote: >=20 > no way has it been released with the permission of KW...and that's a fact= , > folks! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) Concert Classics Live Album - now also released on Vinyl! Date: 14 Aug 1998 21:16:56 +0100 chris >no way has it been released with the permission of KW...and that's a fact, >folks! what evidence do you have to support this claim? j # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Oehler" Subject: (kw) TDF in MP3? Date: 14 Aug 1998 15:28:26 -0500 Since Tour De France is oft-requested, un-available, rare, and not in print and all that, has anyone ever considered putting it in MP3 form so 1) We could all get a good copy of it and 2)we wouldn't have to pay bootleggers to get it? Thoughts? ---- Eric Oehler http://www.itis.com/~wonko wonko@itis.com Finger for PGP key By pressing down this special key, it plays a little melody # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicolau Centola" Subject: (kw) The most sampled band Date: 14 Aug 1998 14:11:42 PDT The most sampled artist in the world is James Brown... But when a music turns into public domain? 50 years?? Well, in the rhythm of Kraftwerk, their songs will be in public domain before they release the "new record"... :-) Nicolau ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Marcus Fjellström" Subject: SV: (kw) The most sampled band Date: 15 Aug 1998 03:16:59 +0200 >The most sampled artist in the world is James Brown... > >But when a music turns into public domain? 50 years?? Well, in the >rhythm of Kraftwerk, their songs will be in public domain before they >release the "new record"... I'm pretty sure they changed it to 75 years. And just because the music then is public domain, it doesn't mean the recording is. Alas... if you find an old gramophone-record from the 20s, you STILL cannot sample from it without permission. Marcus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peder Schubertsson" Subject: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com Date: 15 Aug 1998 09:34:25 +0200 Hi All... I don't know if this is old news. but if you go to http://www.kraftwerk.com/konzert.html You'll see a globe instead of the ordinary tour map. And the funniest thing of all happends when you click and hold either mousebutton and move the mouse.... Regards... Peder Schubertsson # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) The most sampled band Date: 15 Aug 1998 10:35:31 +0100 nicolau: >The most sampled artist in the world is James Brown... > >But when a music turns into public domain? 50 years?? Well, in the >rhythm of Kraftwerk, their songs will be in public domain before they >release the "new record"... hehehehe! spot on my friend! :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) TDF in MP3? Date: 15 Aug 1998 10:34:01 +0100 >Since Tour De France is oft-requested, un-available, rare, and >not in print and all that, has anyone ever considered putting it in MP3 form >so > 1) We could all get a good copy of it and > 2)we wouldn't have to pay bootleggers to get it? > >Thoughts? there is a good quality RealAudio of TdF 12" Remix version (the best version IMO) about. Email me for the URL. jon alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco Schraven Subject: Re: (kw) TDF in MP3? Date: 15 Aug 1998 17:03:18 +0200 >>Since Tour De France is oft-requested, un-available, rare, and >>not in print and all that, has anyone ever considered putting it in MP3 >form >>so >> 1) We could all get a good copy of it and >> 2)we wouldn't have to pay bootleggers to get it? Are we talking about the 'normal' 12 inch mix ??? Nothing extra super rare special stuff ? I have it and can MP3 it and stuff it on my website soon...... It would be really great if someone would have the telephone call 12' in mp3, i accidently left the record in the sun too long....... *sniff* Marco. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Concert Classics Live Album - now also released on Date: 16 Aug 1998 03:04:27 +0200 > I don't really get all this "technical difficulty" thing people go on >about. It's a lot easier to keep a miniMoog in tune than most electric >guitars (particularly ones with tremolo arms) or violins, for instance. yes, but you can't erase mistunes, you can't add effect to tapes, you are working with something set up an hour ago and not your years-old reliable studio... c'mon, it's different and harder for some kind of music... > That quote about Kraftwerk not knowing that different countries had >different voltages for their mains electricity... well, I mean like different countries? what different countries? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 0625138143-0001@t-online.de (Armin Poecker) Subject: (kw) Hilpert+Schmitz Date: 16 Aug 1998 13:17:49 +0200 > Eric, Gunther has a lot of info (musical works) about Fritz and Henning > at his page: > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/3713/discogra.html I have moved the discography to a new URL on Friday (also some new cover scans included): http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/2648/discogra.html Actually, the side activities information is largely provided by Klaus Zaepke. Bye, Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) Concert Classics Live Album - now also released on Vinyl! Date: 16 Aug 1998 14:53:13 +0100 (BST) On Sun, 16 Aug 1998, lbo wrote: > > I don't really get all this "technical difficulty" thing people go on > >about. It's a lot easier to keep a miniMoog in tune than most electric > >guitars (particularly ones with tremolo arms) or violins, for instance. > > yes, but you can't erase mistunes, you can't add effect to tapes, you are > working with something set up an hour ago and not your years-old reliable > studio... c'mon, it's different and harder for some kind of music... Well, I don't think the comparision is between studio & stage. I think what people mean is that it is somehow more difficult to play live rock/pop music with analogue synths than it is with electric guitars. I really don't see why that is. Possibly using a pre-programmed drum machine, and having to play in time with it, is a pain, but Kraftwerk had two live drummers! > > > That quote [in Bussy] about Kraftwerk not knowing that different > >countries had different voltages for their mains electricity... > > different countries? what different countries? France, USA, UK, Germany... all differents mixtures of 50Hz / 60Hz, 110V, 220V , 240V... Kraftwerk set up for a gig in Paris and realised their equipment wouldn't work on the different mains supply! They had to get their technicians to make transformers. I would have thought any European promoter could've warned them about that... DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) page updated Date: 16 Aug 1998 15:52:10 -0300 I updated my Kraftwerk 1998 Tour page (at Brazilian gigs page). Some news and links to concert venues. No new info yet about when the tickets will be available. I changed my url. Please update your bookmarks: http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html peace Nicolau # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gareth Price Subject: (kw) kraftwerk-digest V2 #184 Date: 15 Aug 1998 02:36:21 -0400 Message text written by INTERNET:kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com >< I have just seen a trailer for next weeks edition of Tommorows World on BBC1, it will be a special edition called Tommorows world Time Machine, I= n the middle of the trailer they showed a short clip of Kraftwerk, I dont know if this will be featured in next weeks show but it might be worth watching anyway. Gareth # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PITT Mike Subject: (kw) Tomorrow's World TIme Machine Date: 16 Aug 1998 10:55:00 +0100 Hi, I case anyone isn't aware, Tomorrow's World Time Machine starts next Wednesday evening 19th August. They will be showing the 'legendary' Autobahn clip as it was previewed last week. That's BBC1 in the UK and on cable in certain parts of europe. Mike. Kraftwerk Live 1981 and Cover Versions. http://website.lineone.net/~mike.pitt/tdk.htm Now hosting Autobahn live Japan 1981 and Pocket Calculator by Balanescu Quartet. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas W." Subject: (kw) Modulations Date: 16 Aug 1998 21:28:35 +0200 Laura Coulter of the Sacramento Festival of cinema in Sacramento, California USA, told me that they will show the film "Modulations" on September 30, "a feature-length documentary which captures a moment in history where humans and machines are fusing to create today's most exciting sounds". Please refer to http://www.caipirinha.com/Film/modulations/ for any further information. Thomas. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chromix Subject: (kw) American in need of assistance... Date: 17 Aug 1998 02:29:47 -0400 I've just joined this mailing list and I am wondering about ordering merchandise through ticketworld.de (although I'll take a wild guess and assume that I'm delving into well-troden territory). Obviously, the information presented there is extremely obscure, if not entirely in German, and, as an American, German Franks aren't exactly readily available. Could anyone send me some info on this and/or refer me to someone in Germany who could make the purchase for me? This would be greatly appreciated. -- Chromix http://chromix.home.ml.org/ -- "Tommy had some little sheep It's fleece was white as snow And every time his bomb went off A lamb was sure to blow (up)" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) American in need of assistance... Date: 17 Aug 1998 07:55:09 +0100 Welcome aboard Chromix Chromix: >I've just joined this mailing list and I am wondering about ordering >merchandise through ticketworld.de (although I'll take a wild guess and >assume that I'm delving into well-troden territory). Obviously, the >information presented there is extremely obscure, if not entirely in >German, and, as an American, German Franks aren't exactly readily >available. I'm not surprised. I'd go to my local bank and ask for Deutschmarks instead if I were you. :-) >Could anyone send me some info on this and/or refer me to >someone in Germany who could make the purchase for me? This would be >greatly appreciated. >-- > >Chromix >http://chromix.home.ml.org/ >-- >"Tommy had some little sheep > It's fleece was white as snow > And every time his bomb went off > A lamb was sure to blow (up)" tasteful sig BTW. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Holton Subject: (kw) CD for sale Date: 17 Aug 1998 09:25:33 +0100 Concert Classics (yes the one thats just come out) CD=20 Autobahn Kometenmelodie Morgenspaziergang 1 and 2 =A38 no postage or packing to anywhere in the world contact me off list if interested Dave=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gekn@ebifsol9.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de (Gerd Knochenhauer) Subject: (kw) Re: Modulations Date: 17 Aug 1998 10:52:09 +0200 The film "Modulations" will be shown at the ZKM in Karlsruhe on September 11 (20:30, DM 10). Gerd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) CD for sale Date: 17 Aug 1998 11:13:05 +0100 (BST) On Mon, 17 Aug 1998, David Holton wrote: >> Concert Classics (yes the one thats just come out) >>Autobahn Kometenmelodie Morgenspaziergang 1 and 2 > > It's not MORGENSPAZIERGANG 1 & 2, silly, it's KLING KLANG and TANZMUSIK (well, half of Tanzmusik...). Tsk Tsk DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com Date: 17 Aug 1998 07:56:18 EDT The ERDE (Spinning Globe) applet did appear on the site for a few days before the 98 tour began, as I recall. Does anyone know why it subsequently disappeared, only to re-appear again (when it's out-of-date) ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: (kw) OFF TOPIC - UK Unit Conversions Date: 17 Aug 1998 09:29:51 -0400 Can someone tell me what the conversion is from stone to kg? For = example, someone gives their weight as 12 stone, but it is entirely = meaningless to me. Thanks in advance... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Concert Classics Live Album - now also released on Vinyl! Date: 17 Aug 1998 14:47:34 +0100 i can only repeat what i posted a few weeks ago...after the NY gig fritz was asked about it and replied " it's a bootleg". no amount of conjecture or theorizing , surely, has greater weight than what the band say themselves. which, after all, isn't very much, is it ?! chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) OFF TOPIC - UK Unit Conversions Date: 17 Aug 1998 15:08:11 +0100 William Dobiesz wrote: > > Can someone tell me what the conversion is from stone to kg? For example, someone gives their weight as 12 stone, but it is entirely meaningless to me. > 1 stone = 6.35kg ok? Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: RE: (kw) Concert Classics Live Album - now also released on Vinyl! Date: 17 Aug 1998 15:18:08 +0100 (BST) On Mon, 17 Aug 1998, Chris Raistrick wrote: > i can only repeat what i posted a few weeks ago...after the NY gig fritz was > asked about it and replied " it's a bootleg". no amount of conjecture or > theorizing , surely, has greater weight than what the band say themselves. > which, after all, isn't very much, is it ?! Well, they *would* say that, wouldn't they!! Nothing has greater weight than a solicitor's letter from EMI would be more correct, who are named as owners of the recording on the sleeve. If you wanna find out the truth, ask EMI, not some lackey of the bands. DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ganz allein" Subject: Re: (kw) American in need of assistance... Date: 17 Aug 1998 05:43:59 PDT <> I am an American also and I ordered tickets for Linz and Karlsruhe last year. What I did was call them up and use my credit card; they asked me to fax my information to them so they had something in writing as well. They mailed the tickets promptly to my home. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peder Schubertsson" Subject: (kw) (RE)www.kraftwerk.com Date: 17 Jun 1998 18:52:34 +0200 If you look closely at the spinning globe, you'll see that Barcelona is missing..... Perhaps they didn't afford to make a new globe with Barcelona on... ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Concert in Argentina confirmed Date: 17 Aug 1998 21:44:25 +0200 (DFT) The following is an excerpt from the most recent MCT newsletter: [...] Kraftwerk - two shows in Brasil and one in Argentina - no more this year ! [...] All dates at www.tickets.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Pro & contra bootleg (was: re: (kw) Concert Classics) Date: 17 Aug 1998 21:52:38 +0200 (DFT) > From: "Chris Raistrick" > > i can only repeat what i posted a few weeks ago...after the NY gig fritz > was asked about it and replied " it's a bootleg". Are you sure about the wording? As far as I remember, somebody else reported that Hilpert said that he hadn't heard about such a release, and that he *suspects* that it *might* be a bootleg. > no amount of conjecture or theorizing , surely, has greater weight than > what the band say themselves. I don't think so. Apparently, Kraftwerk have also tried to give the impression that the Bussy biography was illegal, pretending that he has made up some of the interviews and violated copyrights for the photos. None of this seems to be true, so the Kraftwerk members don't seem to be very credible in this context. > From: David Davis > > Anyway, it doesn't need their permission; it needs the permission of > whoever owns the recording, which would appear from the > sleeve-credits to be EMI.... As well as Kraftwerk, according to the sleeve credits. But this doesn't prove anything, since it wouldn't be the only example for a bootleg with fake credits. > they have obviously given that permission, cos there's not a snowflake's > chance in hell that the corporate giant EMI would stand for it's > material being touted to the public in pirate form in chain stores up and down > Britain (and indeed the world) Not at all. It's not unusual that bootlegs are widely available in big record stores. The most popular example is Germanofon. On the other hand, it *would* be unusual for bootleggers to issue press releases and to license the material to foreign record companies, like it happened with the "Concert Classics" one... Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Trio Richoly / Fritz Hilpert Date: 17 Aug 1998 21:53:57 +0200 (DFT) > >Does anyone have any background on either of these two, such as > >other musical works, mini-bios, etc.? > > Eric, Gunther has a lot of info (musical works) about Fritz and Henning > at his page: > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/3713/discogra.html Another record featuring Fritz Hilpert (as a sound engineer), which is not yet listed in the above discography, is the album "Primero" by the Trio Richoly. BTW: Does anyone know any more details about this album? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Karl Bartos special on german Radio station Date: 17 Aug 1998 21:54:45 +0200 (DFT) > Tonight (19:10-20:30) on the german radio station HR1 a special > abaut Karl Bartos and Curt Smith (ex Tears for Fears) Has anyone taped this? ;-) Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) I have a copy of tour de france in mp3 format Date: 17 Aug 1998 20:17:38 EDT if your interested in possessing a copy or tradeing me mp3 for it please email me. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) i possess tour de france live in mp3 format Date: 17 Aug 1998 20:18:25 EDT if your interested in haveing it or tradeing me mp3 for it please email me ~Astro # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Concert in Argentina Date: 17 Aug 1998 23:38:32 -0300 Any guy from Argentina can confirm that Kraftwerk will play at Buenos Aires next October 12th? peace Nicolau # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) KW Tour Concert page Date: 18 Aug 1998 00:39:07 -0300 I just put a new report and nine photos from Sonar concert at my page: http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html Special thanks to Nicolas Villeminot. peace Nicolau # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Claudio Falaschini" Subject: Re: (kw) Concert in Argentina Date: 18 Aug 1998 07:51:01 -0300 > >Any guy from Argentina can confirm that Kraftwerk will play at Buenos >Aires next October 12th? > Wowwww This is the first notice i hear about that. I hope so. I'm so excited that i cant wait until october 12!! I'll check and come back with news. "El sur tambien existe" :) Claudio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Claudio Falaschini" Subject: Re: (kw) Concert in Argentina Date: 18 Aug 1998 08:02:07 -0300 12.10.1998 - Kraftwerk - Buenos Aires - Obras Sanitarias Stadium, Ticket Tel. +54-1-3237200 Apparently (as saw in http://www.tickets.de/dates/mon3.html ) they will play at Obras Sanitarias, a basketball stadium at Buenos Aires (used mainly as artistic shows place). Claudio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: computermusic@post.cz Subject: (kw) Bartos in Keyboard Date: 18 Aug 1998 13:09:59 +0200 Hi ALL! In last issue 8/98 Keyboard is one page about Karl Bartos (one foto) and notice about Kraftwerk tour 1998 (two pictures from Kraftwerk.com and url to kraftwerk.com + url to FAQ) . Bye Computer Music alias Metropolis from Prague Czech Republic My E-Mail: computermusic@post.cz My Pages: Kraftwerk CZ http://www.music.cz/kapely/kraftwerk Computer Music http://www.mageo.cz/home/COMPUTER_MUSIC/ IRC channel #kraftwerk ( 18:00 - 24:00 CET) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kyle Vernon Subject: (kw) Autobahn Date: 18 Aug 1998 10:11:15 -0500 Hello all. I am new to the list and new to the music of Kraftwerk. I have a friend who has been looking for a particular Kraftwerk album called Autobahn (Parlophone EJ24 00701) that has been out of print for quite sometime. I was hoping that perhaps you guys could help me find this recording (preferably on CD) because I would love to give it to my friend for her birthday. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Kyle Vernon Technical Support Engineer Crossroads Systems, Inc. (512)794-2762 kvernon@crossroads.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk on MTV Date: 18 Aug 1998 17:47:41 +0200 (DFT) I've been told that the MTV News showed some Kraftwerk live footage from Roskilde last Saturday. Does anyone know if this was the same snippet from "The Robots" which was already shown on earlier occasions, or was it different / longer? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Dreiklangdimensionen German TV show Date: 18 Aug 1998 16:59:29 +0200 For all the Germans out there. There is an interesting show on TV on Thursday on Bayern 3 (although it probably doesn't feature KW)..: 00.10-00.55 B 3 Dreiklangdimensionen [5-857-565] Eine deutsche Revue aus dem Jahr 1982 Mitwirkende: D.A.F. (Deutsch Amerikanische Freundschaft), Der Plan, Palais Schaumburg, Andreas Dorau, Lorenz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Dreiklangdimensionen German TV show Date: 18 Aug 1998 18:50:45 +0000 At 4:59 pm +0200 18/8/98, Roland Metzger wrote: >For all the Germans out there. There is an interesting show on TV on >Thursday on Bayern 3 (although it probably doesn't feature KW)..: > >00.10-00.55 B 3 Dreiklangdimensionen > [5-857-565] > Eine deutsche Revue aus dem Jahr 1982 > Mitwirkende: D.A.F. (Deutsch Amerikanische >Freundschaft), Der Plan, Palais Schaumburg, Andreas Dorau, Lorenz Sounds unmissable even if it doesn't include Kraftwerk! German electropop was good back then (Wo sind die neuen Helden?* ;-) ). K * Who sang that? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: SV: (kw) Dreiklangdimensionen German TV show Date: 18 Aug 1998 20:37:26 +0200 -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Kevin Busby [SMTP:artless@innocent.com] Skickat: den 18 augusti 1998 20:51 Till: Roland Metzger; Kraftwerk list - post =C4mne: Re: (kw) Dreiklangdimensionen German TV show Sounds unmissable even if it doesn't include Kraftwerk! German = electropop was good back then (Wo sind die neuen Helden?* ;-) ). K * Who sang that? Ahhh, that=B4s to easy. Die Krupps - Neue Helden from the "Volle Kraft Voraus" album (much more = a classic than Stahlwerksinfonie). If I had Bayern 3, I=B4d be glued to the sofa right now :-) /Uffe=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoBoten Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk video at MTV Europe Date: 22 Sep 1998 22:27:01 +0200 This saturday night at 0300 I watched the MTV Europe show called "Chill Out Zone".. They show a NEW "The Robots" with the lyrics in the background of the dancing robots., and the robots got Fritz and Hennings faces.. I haven't found anything in earlier mails on the list about the video.. NEW?!? //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) RE: Concert Classics Live Album Date: 18 Aug 1998 23:38:40 +0000 > From: David Davis > Subject: RE: (kw) Concert Classics Live Album - now also released on Vinyl! > ... > snowflake's chance in hell that the corporate giant EMI would stand for > it's material being touted to the public in pirate form in chain stores up > and down Britain (and indeed the world) And what about the Germanofon bootlegs? They were also widely available at all sorts of stores, and they're still bootlegs. The artwork just doesn't look like one from an official release, Tanzmusik fades out, etc. I think this is a bootleg. Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) tapes Date: 18 Aug 1998 23:38:40 +0000 Hello, I have been tidying my cassete collection up and have found some cassettes which I copied some time ago but which I never used. These are spare copies and if anyone is interested please get in touch. All are good quality unplayed Chrome tapes. Some trading would be better than erasing the tapes! tape 1(90'): copy of 2LP "Central Passage" minus two songs tape 2 (60'): only contains a few songs, copied directly from vinyl: Mini Calculateur, Der Telephon Anruf (remix), Housephone, The Telephone Call (remix) tape 3 (60'): only a few songs, copied from vinyl: TV2 (E. Music), Television (E. Music), Tour de France (3 different mixes), Kohoutek, Trans Metal Express (from 12" USA), and a fragment of Aviador Dro 4000. I also have some tapes that I don't need: - two tapes containing a copy of a ZKM bootleg, full concert (18-10-97). - one tape with the first two Esplendor Geometrico albums Please e-mail me directly, and mention what can you trade. First come first served. Thanks, Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mauricio Gonzalez Subject: RE: (kw) Concert in Argentina Date: 17 Aug 1998 12:31:02 -0400 SPANISH MESSAGE FROM A CHILEAN WERKER TO ARGENTINE WERKERS: Hola por favor , Algun Werker de Argentina que me pueda ayudar con informacion para llegar al lugar donde seria este concierto, soy de Chile Gracias Thanks Kraftwerk!!!!! Many years Waiting this moment!! Dont forget to Chile please!! Mauricio ---------- De: Claudio Falaschini Enviado el: Lunes 18 de Agosto de 1997 07:02 AM Para: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com Asunto: Re: (kw) Concert in Argentina 12.10.1998 - Kraftwerk - Buenos Aires - Obras Sanitarias Stadium, Ticket Tel. +54-1-3237200 Apparently (as saw in http://www.tickets.de/dates/mon3.html ) they will play at Obras Sanitarias, a basketball stadium at Buenos Aires (used mainly as artistic shows place). Claudio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk video at MTV Europe Date: 19 Aug 1998 08:29:28 +0200 Sorry - nothing new. What you saw must have been the Mix-version of the Robots, which was released at the same time as the CD. /Joakim -----Original Message----- They show a NEW "The Robots" with the lyrics in the background of the dancing robots., and the robots got Fritz and Hennings faces.. I haven't found anything in earlier mails on the list about the video.. NEW?!? //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gekn@ebifsol9.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de (Gerd Knochenhauer) Subject: (kw) Re: Kraftwerk on MTV Date: 19 Aug 1998 08:45:48 +0200 Yes it was the same snippet. Only the video footage was from Roskilde while the music was from The Mix: After some seconds of the empty stage with only the video screens in actions the next scene shows the robots in full action. Gerd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Dreiklangdimensionen German TV show Date: 19 Aug 1998 11:10:55 +0200 (DFT) > >For all the Germans out there. There is an interesting show on TV on > >Thursday on Bayern 3 (although it probably doesn't feature KW)..: > > > >00.10-00.55 B 3 Dreiklangdimensionen > > [5-857-565] > > Eine deutsche Revue aus dem Jahr 1982 > > Mitwirkende: D.A.F. (Deutsch Amerikanische > >Freundschaft), Der Plan, Palais Schaumburg, Andreas Dorau, Lorenz > > Sounds unmissable even if it doesn't include Kraftwerk! As far as I remember, it does include Kraftwerk (promo videos for "Trans Europa Express" & "Die Roboter" (original version)), but it is possible that the Kraftwerk clips are featured in part 2 of the show, which will be shown next week. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk video at MTV Europe Date: 19 Aug 1998 11:15:22 +0200 (DFT) > This saturday night at 0300 I watched the MTV Europe show called "Chill Out > Zone".. They show a NEW "The Robots" with the lyrics in the background of > the dancing robots., and the robots got Fritz and Hennings faces.. Are you sure that it was the Henning Schmitz head, or is it possible that it was the Fernando Abrantes head? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Fluer interview Date: 19 Aug 1998 11:16:21 +0200 (DFT) Found at alt.music.kraftwerk: > The latest issue of Outre magazine has an interview with > Wolfgang Flur. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Kraftwerk on MTV Date: 19 Aug 1998 11:54:59 +0200 (DFT) > Only the video footage was from Roskilde > while the music was from The Mix: > After some seconds of the empty stage > with only the video screens in actions > the next scene shows the robots in > full action. Anyone taped this? ;-) Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Claudio Falaschini" Subject: Re: (kw) Concert in Argentina Date: 19 Aug 1998 07:55:45 -0300 Mauricio: I sent a private email to you If another Argentine werkers are here, please let me know to organize a meeting in B.A. Si hay alg=FAn otro fan argentino de Kraftwerk, propongo juntarnos en Bue= nos Aires, de hacerse efectivo el show. Greetings Claudio >SPANISH MESSAGE FROM A CHILEAN WERKER TO ARGENTINE WERKERS: >Hola > por favor , Algun Werker de Argentina que me pueda ayudar con informaci= on para llegar al lugar donde seria este concierto, soy de Chile > >Gracias # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) RE: Concert Classics Live Album Date: 19 Aug 1998 11:59:41 +0100 (BST) On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Jose Garcia wrote: > > snowflake's chance in hell that the corporate giant EMI would stand for > > it's material being touted to the public in pirate form in chain stores up > > and down Britain (and indeed the world) > > And what about the Germanofon bootlegs? They were also widely > available at all sorts of stores, and they're still bootlegs. It is very strange that they were widely available, yes, but the copyright in those recordings was not owned by EMI, to my knowledge. > The artwork just doesn't look like one from an official release, > Tanzmusik fades out, etc. I think this is a bootleg. Possibly. Or is could just be because the people who put it together had no help from Kraftwerk and hadn't much experience. I guess Tanzmusik might fade out because the master tape was horribly damaged after that point? Who knows. DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Claudio Falaschini" Subject: Re: (kw) Concert in Argentina Date: 19 Aug 1998 07:55:45 -0300 Mauricio: I sent a private email to you If another Argentine werkers are here, please let me know to organize a meeting in B.A. Si hay alg=FAn otro fan argentino de Kraftwerk, propongo juntarnos en Bue= nos Aires, de hacerse efectivo el show. Greetings Claudio >SPANISH MESSAGE FROM A CHILEAN WERKER TO ARGENTINE WERKERS: >Hola > por favor , Algun Werker de Argentina que me pueda ayudar con informaci= on para llegar al lugar donde seria este concierto, soy de Chile > >Gracias # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) RE: Concert Classics Live Album Date: 19 Aug 1998 15:41:44 +0200 (DFT) > > > snowflake's chance in hell that the corporate giant EMI would stand for > > > it's material being touted to the public in pirate form in chain stores up > > > and down Britain (and indeed the world) > > > > And what about the Germanofon bootlegs? They were also widely > > available at all sorts of stores, and they're still bootlegs. > > It is very strange that they were widely available, yes, As I've already mentioned two days ago, it is not strange at all. Bootlegs are often widely available, Germanofon is just an example. Other examples in the Kraftwerk area were "Computertour", "Computers in Love", "Rebuilt in 92", "The Remix", "Nippon Numbers" and many more. > but the copyright in those recordings was not owned by EMI, to my knowledge. Who (except for some very dubious sleeve credits) says that the "Concert Classics" recording is owned by EMI? > Possibly. Or is could just be because the people who put it together had > no help from Kraftwerk and hadn't much experience. Sou you think that they were lying when they pretended to have "the band's full cooperation"? > I guess Tanzmusik might fade out because the master tape Since crackling noises are audible, it appears that the recording was mastered from vinyl, and not directly from the original master tape. That's further indication for a bootleg. > was horribly damaged after that point? The original radio show may have ended at this point? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) RE: Concert Classics Live Album Date: 19 Aug 1998 14:57:41 +0100 (BST) On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > As I've already mentioned two days ago, it is not strange at all. Bootlegs > are often widely available, Germanofon is just an example. Other examples > in the Kraftwerk area were "Computertour", "Computers in Love", "Rebuilt > in 92", "The Remix", "Nippon Numbers" and many more. Well, in UK highstreet shops, the only bootlegs I have ever seen for sale have been the Germanofon ones: to get bootlegs, one generally has to go to record fairs or specialist collectors shops. > > I guess Tanzmusik might fade out because the master tape > > Since crackling noises are audible, it appears that the recording was > mastered from vinyl, and not directly from the original master tape. > That's further indication for a bootleg. Oh, you think those are vinyl crackles? I never thought of that! I thought they were horrible d.c clicks from Wolfgang's drums breaking down, or similar! Well, bootleg or not, I adore the versions of Kometenmelodie & Autobahn. By the way: I always wondered about the usual English translation of Kometenmelodie.... when I looked up "melodie" in a German dictionarty, it gave "song" I wondered if "Comet Song" or "Comet Tune" would be a better translation that "Comet Melody"? [however none of them sound as good as the German title, which runs boths words together... a much nicer rhythm!] DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) RE: Concert Classics Live Album Date: 19 Aug 1998 16:07:38 +0200 (DFT) > > Since crackling noises are audible, it appears that the recording was > > mastered from vinyl, and not directly from the original master tape. > > That's further indication for a bootleg. > > Oh, you think those are vinyl crackles? Yes, I think so, but I'm not 100 % sure. Any other opinions? > By the way: I always wondered about the usual English translation of > Kometenmelodie.... when I looked up "melodie" in a German dictionarty, it > gave "song" > I wondered if "Comet Song" or "Comet Tune" would be a better translation > that "Comet Melody"? No, I think that "Comet Melody" is the best translation. "Comet Song" would translate to "Kometenlied", and "Comet Tune" could be translated to "Kometenklang". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Royal Festival Hall Gig Date: 19 Aug 1998 10:51:37 EDT A phone call to day to the Box Office of the Royal Festival Hall confirmed that Kraftwerk will definitely not now be appearing - as rumoured - on 4 & 5/10/98. I was told that no-one knew how the rumour had started... or where Kraftwerk would be appearing *instead* Anyone got any news on this ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Concert Classics Live Album - now also released on Vinyl! Date: 19 Aug 1998 16:12:35 +0100 on monday david davis wrote: "if you want to find out the truth ,ask emi, not some lackey of the band".. i wasn't aware fritz WAS a lackey ..i'm sure i saw him on stage every night.would you really trust a record company that implicitly ? i wouldn't. you might like to consider something else.they have not promoted " TIME PIE " at all.this may be because they do not want it to act as a "spoiler" for KW's forthcoming album.this is not necessarily my opinion but it has been suggested by some at the company.if this is the case , why would they put out a poorly edited , poorly packaged live album which is so out of kilter with the group's ethos? that , too , acts as a spoiler does it not? chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) RE: Concert Classics Live Album Date: 19 Aug 1998 16:20:35 +0100 kometenklang..of course : i like it! chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank Huebenthal" Subject: (kw) Back again... Date: 19 Aug 1998 00:08:34 PDT Hello to everybody... I'm back on the list after years of abstinence, still remembering the interesting information to get here ...and the discussion if the KlingKlang studio is in a yellow building or so :) Sorry for the automatic advertising line at the end of this posting, it cannot be switched off. This will change if I get my very own email address in the near future. Frank Huebenthal, Germany ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RHC Subject: Re: (kw) Royal Festival Hall Gig Date: 19 Aug 1998 19:17:27 +0100 At 10:51 19-08-98 -0400, you wrote: > >A phone call to day to the Box Office of the Royal Festival Hall confirmed >that Kraftwerk will definitely not now be appearing - as rumoured - on 4 & >5/10/98. I would like if _ANY_ band is performing those two days, I read in NME that, amongst others, Cabaret Voltaire (!) were going to perform. So did they say nothing was planned for those two dates?? -Rene ICQ UIN 2193840 A Staff Member of Last Sigh Magazine For Underground Music # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) RE: Concert Classics Live Album Date: 19 Aug 1998 16:20:35 +0100 kometenklang..of course : i like it! chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) KW on BBC1 tonite Date: 19 Aug 1998 14:43:23 EDT 7.40pm GMT - 2 minutes ago BBC1 Television did indeed transmit as part of the Tommorrow's World series THAT clip of KW performing Autobahn. ... and it's true about Florian's very cheesy grin at the end ! Guest presenter William Woollard commented: "Those electronic lapels never did appear, but KW are still doing weird and wonderful things. For example, during their last UK tour, they performed one of their numbers on pocket calculators." A history lesson ! K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) Dreiklangdimensionen German TV show Date: 19 Aug 1998 22:16:11 +0100 Kevin: >Sounds unmissable even if it doesn't include Kraftwerk! German electropop >was good back then (Wo sind die neuen Helden?* ;-) ). > >* Who sang that? die krupps? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) Royal Festival Hall Gig Date: 19 Aug 1998 22:11:29 +0100 Karl: >I was told that no-one knew how the rumour had started... an april fools joke? plenty of people fell for it... >or where Kraftwerk would be appearing *instead* somewhere in south america i guess! >Anyone got any news on this ? next time i run into the boys on my bike i'll ask 'em ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) tapes Date: 19 Aug 1998 23:21:02 +0000 After some more tidying up, I also found two decent chrome tapes (unplayed) with the concert of Bologna 7/2/90 (pre-mix). Interested? Get in touch privately. Jose aktivitat@arrakis.es # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: Re: (kw) Concert Classics Live Album Date: 19 Aug 1998 23:21:02 +0000 > From: David Davis > > And what about the Germanofon bootlegs? They were also widely > > available at all sorts of stores, and they're still bootlegs. > > It is very strange that they were widely available, yes, but the > copyright in those recordings was not owned by EMI, to my knowledge. > > > The artwork just doesn't look like one from an official release, > > Tanzmusik fades out, etc. I think this is a bootleg. > > Possibly. Or is could just be because the people who put it together had > no help from Kraftwerk and hadn't much experience. Perhaps it is official. After having the vinyl version in my hands, the cover looks too well printed. Anyway, I don't think they got the OK from KW: tasteless artwork, wrong line-up, wrong credits > I guess Tanzmusik might fade out because the master tape was horribly > damaged after that point? Who knows. Should be known by the company who released it. Has someone tried to investigate this? Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) KW on BBC1 tonite Date: 20 Aug 1998 06:44:51 +0100 Karl: >... and it's true about Florian's very cheesy grin at the end ! but didn't you know? florian is almost entirly composed of cheese (and a ripe old cheese at that) ;-) >Guest presenter William Woollard commented: > >"Those electronic lapels never did appear, but KW are still doing weird and >wonderful things. For example, during their last UK tour, they performed >one of their numbers on pocket calculators." but did you see that nerdy kid in his bedroom talking about Kraftwerk at the start? Will the culprit please own up. Come on, i know you're on this list... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: (kw) Tomorrow's World Date: 20 Aug 1998 10:55:41 +0100 >Did you catch Tommorrow's World ? Hilarious ! yes, it was fantastic! that clip has been repeated before on 'sounds of the seventies' I made a realaudio from it sometime ago - http://www.unl.ac.uk/~jon/kraftwerk/1000/tw.ra - but it's always a pleasure to see it again. in fact I remember seeing it first time around, although I was very young and had no idea who or what Kraftwerk were, it stuck in my memory because I very much liked the look of these chaps making music with strange looking machines (completely at odds with t-rex, bowie, the sweet, etc and all the long haired weirdie beardie flare clad tossers that were on top of the pops at the time) and that my dear old mum piped up with (in broad west Somerset) "ooo, they don't 'alf give me the creeps" (I presume she was referring Florian). truly a life changing experience. not long after this I saw the video for some song by ELP - the music was pretty crappy but they were playing this huge modular synth in a empty stadium - as an impressionable seven year old I thought this looked very cool and from that moment on I was hooked on the *idea* of electronic music. seeing Kraftwerk on tomorrows world was the start of it! thinking about that ELP song, I'm surprised Laibach never covered it - I would have thought it would have been right up their street - can't remember the name of the bloody song though. anyone? jon alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: (kw) RV: off topic: Can U send me the text-to-speech URL ? Date: 20 Aug 1998 12:16:47 +0200 Hi ! Can anyone send me the text to speech URL (robotized voice in spanish) ? I lost it when I reinstalled windows. Thanx # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) KW on BBC1 tonite Date: 20 Aug 1998 11:07:53 +0000 wrote: >Guest presenter William Woollard commented: > >"Those electronic lapels never did appear, but KW are still doing weird and >wonderful things. For example, during their last UK tour, they performed one >of their numbers on pocket calculators." "Very numerical" he added. Strangely. Jon Alsbury wrote: >but did you see that nerdy kid in his bedroom talking about Kraftwerk at the >start? Oh you're just envious of him for being on the same programme as Philipa Forrester. >Will the culprit please own up. Come on, i know you're on this list... I fear he may not be nearly nerdy enough for this list. [ducking] Now, Kenny in South Park, that's your average KW fan. >:-D K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Tomorrow's World Date: 20 Aug 1998 12:28:35 +0200 (DFT) > >Did you catch Tommorrow's World ? Hilarious ! > > yes, it was fantastic! that clip has been repeated before on 'sounds > of the seventies' Was it exactly the same snippet as on "Sounds on the Seventies", or was it longer this time? Thanks, Klaus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Tomorrow's World Date: 20 Aug 1998 11:36:16 +0100 Klaus: >Was it exactly the same snippet as on "Sounds on the Seventies", or was >it longer this time? the same unfortunatly (minus the brief Tommorows World intro music from the start). and yes, i noticed the brutal edit in the middle of the clip as well... jon alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Musik-Express on Kraftwerk Date: 20 Aug 1998 12:32:30 +0200 (DFT) The September issue of the German magazine Musik-Express features a brief review of the Sonar festival, including a small Kraftwerk colour photo, which may be of interest since it displays one of the "new" scenes from the backing video for "Autobahn". The photo is from one of the 1997 concerts, though. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patrik.Mattsson@emw.ericsson.se (Patrik Mattsson) Subject: Re: (kw) RV: off topic: Can U send me the text-to-speech URL ? Date: 20 Aug 1998 14:11:08 +0200 Hello everybody Here comes the URL for Text-to-Speech Demo for Spanish: http://www-gth.die.upm.es/research/synthesis/synth-form-concat.html Bye for now Patrik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Garry Smith Subject: (kw) That ELP song Date: 20 Aug 1998 13:16:46 +0000 jon wrote: > not long after this I saw the video for some > song by ELP - the music was pretty crappy but they were playing this > huge modular synth in a empty stadium > > thinking about that ELP song, I'm surprised Laibach never covered it > I would have thought it would have been right up their street - can't > remember the name of the bloody song though. anyone? "Fanfare for the Common Man" by the American composer Aaron Copland. One of ELP's classical music cover versions. And FWIW it was the Olympic Stadium in Montreal. -- Garry Smith garry@caleyjag.demon.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) robot heads... Date: 20 Aug 1998 08:49:16 -0400 actually, i think it was johnathan richman's head on the robot. or maybe i just saw "something about mary"... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mallade" <0732240d01@cplus.es> Subject: (kw) new email address Date: 20 Aug 1998 14:53:23 +0200 Hi all, Just to let you know I have a new e-mail address: mallade@abonados.cplus.es My old eaddress fgoiriz@arrakis.es is no longer valid. Thanks for reading. Fer mallade@abonados.cplus.es http://members.tripod.com/~mallade # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) Tomorrow's World Date: 20 Aug 1998 14:26:50 +0100 (BST) On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > > >Did you catch Tommorrow's World ? Hilarious ! > > yes, it was fantastic! that clip has been repeated before on 'sounds > > of the seventies' > Was it exactly the same snippet as on "Sounds on the Seventies", or was > it longer this time? Sadly I don't have a telly at the moment, so I missed the clip, but I've seen it 4 or 5 times before... the first time I broke out in a cold sweat, I thought Kraftwerk looked so amazing!! The thing is, the clip (Autobahn) as broadcast is usually only about 1 minute long... but surely they played the whole song? Maybe all this is in the BBC vaults! Ah, if only BBC video would release it... DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) Jonathan Richman? Date: 20 Aug 1998 09:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Fred_Harding@idx.com wrote: > actually, i think it was johnathan richman's head on the robot. > > or maybe i just saw "something about mary"... I knew if I stuck around on this list that somehow someone would mention Jonathan Richman. Now if only they'd duet.... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bankinter" Subject: RE: (kw) RV: off topic: Can U send me the text-to-speech URL ? Date: 20 Aug 1998 20:21:12 +0200 Hi all, >Here comes the URL for Text-to-Speech Demo for Spanish: >http://www-gth.die.upm.es/research/synthesis/synth-form-concat.html I=B4ve found a really, really cool Vocoder Software in this adress http://kaelabs.com (Sorry, only for Apple users) Regards Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) Happy Birthday Ralf ! Date: 20 Aug 1998 20:08:16 +0200 Happy Happy Birthday Ralf ! Alles Gute zum Geburtstag. Gesundheit und ein langes Leben. Das wünsche ich Dir von ganzem Herzen. Alles Liebe Gunnar # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: (kw) Neonlights in MIDI format Date: 20 Aug 1998 20:27:26 +0200 Hi again, I=B4m looking for a MIDI version of Neon Lights (Neonlicht). Anybody in the list knows where I can get it?? Thanx in advance. Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) Neonlights in MIDI format Date: 20 Aug 1998 20:57:22 +0100 (BST) On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Rafa wrote: > I=B4m looking for a MIDI version of Neon Lights (Neonlicht). > Anybody in the list knows where I can get it?? Eh? Why would anyone want to play this beautiful piece of music on a yukky MIDI module!? It would sound disgusting!! And couldn't you just listen carefully to the record, and program it into your sequencer yourself? It's a very minimalist piece. Honestly, these youngsters nowadays have *no* respect... DAVE :-( # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: RE: (kw) Neonlights in MIDI format Date: 21 Aug 1998 00:16:32 +0200 Hi David, > Eh? Why would anyone want to play this beautiful piece of music on a >yukky MIDI module!? It would sound disgusting!! Yes it=B4s a beautiful theme... Maybe one of most beautiful piece of all times... but I only need that file, not your opinion. >And couldn't you just listen carefully to the record, and program it int= o >your sequencer yourself? It's a very minimalist piece. Sorry, but I=B4m not a musician... and I have a very bad ear. If it=B4s easy for you... could you make the file and send it to me? I=B4ll be very grateful. >Honestly, these youngsters nowadays have *no* respect... Respect? Do u have respect to me? First be tolerant with other people... afterwards listen to KRAFTWERK. I=B4m 25 years old now, and I became to listen KRAFTWERK when I was 5 yea= rs old. One day my father bought THE MAN MACHINE and that changed my life. I=B4m sure that I have more respect to Ralf, Florian, Karl and Wolfang than you. I=B4M SURE! Regards Rafa PD (Sorry to all list members for this mail) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: RE: (kw) Neonlights in MIDI format Date: 20 Aug 1998 23:27:34 +0100 (BST) Sorry Rafa, I was just kidding really. But I'm afraid it's my duty as a member of the style police to guard against corrupt aesthetics... I urge you not to let your MIDI anywhere near Neon Lights... try an old tin can instead, it will sound much much better DAVE ;-) On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Rafa wrote: > Hi David, >=20 > > Eh? Why would anyone want to play this beautiful piece of music on a > >yukky MIDI module!? It would sound disgusting!! >=20 > Yes it=B4s a beautiful theme... Maybe one of most beautiful piece of all > times... > but I only need that file, not your opinion. >=20 > >And couldn't you just listen carefully to the record, and program it int= o > >your sequencer yourself? It's a very minimalist piece. >=20 > Sorry, but I=B4m not a musician... and I have a very bad ear. If it=B4s > easy for you... could you make the file and send it to me? I=B4ll be very > grateful. >=20 >=20 > >Honestly, these youngsters nowadays have *no* respect... >=20 > Respect? Do u have respect to me? First be tolerant with other > people... afterwards listen to KRAFTWERK. >=20 > I=B4m 25 years old now, and I became to listen KRAFTWERK when I was 5 yea= rs > old. One day my father bought THE MAN MACHINE and that changed my life. > I=B4m sure that I have more respect to Ralf, Florian, Karl and Wolfang > than you. I=B4M SURE! >=20 >=20 >=20 > Regards >=20 >=20 >=20 > Rafa >=20 > PD (Sorry to all list members for this mail) >=20 >=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik J" Subject: (kw) Tomorrow's World Date: 20 Aug 1998 15:13:22 PDT Does anyone know if this much talked about Tomorrow's World program featuring "the four funky white brothers from Germany" (to quote Afrika Bambaataa) will ever show on BBC Prime or World, i.e. the only BBC channels possible to receive in this wasteland called Sweden? Would be very grateful for any info on this. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: Re: (kw) RV: off topic: Can U send me the text-to-speech URL ? Date: 20 Aug 1998 18:14:51 -0600 I lost the URL. Enter "Boris" and perform a search... That's the name of the program. DJFrankX http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/kw2000.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EZwerk Subject: (kw) Bauhaus Date: 20 Aug 1998 20:12:25 +0000 Hey all, Just wondering of anyone knows of anyone who wants to get rid of 2 tx to either of the Chicago Bauhaus shows. Thanks, Ernie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Drum Sounds Date: 20 Aug 1998 22:04:19 EDT A few questions: Who manufactured the instrument which Kraftwerk disassembled to make their first "drum machine"? Which albums did they use it for? What was used to create their drum sounds (kick, snare, high-hats, etc.) on Man Machine & Computer World? Thank you, tIMPURE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Storey (Sossi)" Subject: (kw) MOD files! Date: 21 Aug 1998 12:37:46 +0930 Hi all Anyone out there that can advise me on where to find Kraftwerk MOD files on the web? I have come across a few tracks, but would be interested in finding some more. If you would like me to e-mail the KW MOD files I have, I'd be happy to do so. Anyway drop me a line at jmjarre@dynamite.com.au Regards Chris jmjarre@dynamite.com.au # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Tomorrow's World Date: 21 Aug 1998 09:53:10 +0100 >Does anyone know if this much talked about Tomorrow's World program >featuring "the four funky white brothers from Germany" (to quote Afrika >Bambaataa) will ever show on BBC Prime or World, i.e. the only BBC >channels possible to receive in this wasteland called Sweden? Would be >very grateful for any info on this. here are the URLs for the transmission schedules for both BBC World and BBC Prime (there's some great stuff on Prime, BTW). As to weather or not the Tomorrows World 'time machine' specials will be shown, your guess is as good as mine. bbc prime: http://www.bbc.co.uk/schedules/1998/08/19/prime.html bbc world: http://www.bbc.co.uk/schedules/1998/08/19/world.html Tomorrow's World also has two websites: http://www.bbc.co.uk/tw and http://www.twplus.beeb.com/ jon alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Drum Sounds Date: 21 Aug 1998 06:07:50 EDT sounds like a Bontempi to me ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Drum Sounds Date: 21 Aug 1998 06:07:50 EDT sounds like a Bontempi to me ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: RE: (kw) Neonlights in MIDI format Date: 21 Aug 1998 12:59:09 +0000 Rafa wrote: >>And couldn't you just listen carefully to the record, and program it into >>your sequencer yourself? It's a very minimalist piece. > >Sorry, but I=B4m not a musician... and I have a very bad ear. That didn't stop Komputer. >Respect? Do u have respect to me? First be tolerant with other >people... afterwards listen to KRAFTWERK. David was only teasing (this may not have been obvious to a non-Brit!). >I=B4m sure that I have more respect to Ralf, Florian, Karl and Wolfang >than you. I=B4M SURE! Yo respect to DJ Florian and MC Ralfy Ralf! K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rudi Rieder" Subject: (kw) Foreign Novelty Smash - HELP!! Date: 21 Aug 1998 15:22:35 +0200 Someone sent me a wav-file "Novelty.wav" to translate the german text into english... I don't know your email !! Please write me !! Remove "MAPSON" froma email address ... -rudi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Kid Creole and Florian ??? Date: 21 Aug 1998 17:42:05 +0200 (DFT) > It's an album calle "The Conquest of you" from 1997. The thing is that > listed as "Music and Lyrics" among August Darnell (Kid Creole for those > of you who didn't know) and Taco Ockerse was someone called F > Scheyder-Eisleben. Now could this be our dear Florian who has been > missprinted??????? or am I out on a limb here???????? > Please, does anyone know anything more about this? A certain "F. Scheyder-Eisleben" (sic!) is also co-credited for "music & lyrics" on the Kid Creole CD single "I Got My Handy On" (SPV 055-44963 CDS). Track listing: 1. I Got My Handy On (Radio Mix) 3:33" 2. I Got My Handy On (Club Mix) 6:42" 3. I Got My Handy On (Hard Dub) 6:15" If anyone wants to investigate further, there is an e-mail address stated on the sleeve: Frank.Loncar.@t-online.de (Frank Loncar seems to be the producer). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: (kw) Mindless banter..... Date: 21 Aug 1998 02:47:02 PDT Was it just me or, did anyone else celebrate Ralf's birthday? I did (should I be telling you?) we played a couple of tracks off each album I own Electric Cafe - Electric Cafe Numbers - Computersinfonian Numbers - Computer World Metropolis/Man Machine - Man Machine Kometenmelodie - Autobahn Kristallo/Ananas Symphonie - Ralf and Florian Bugger, I just realised we missed out Radioactivity! Still, it was a VERY chilled out night.... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) Re: Concert Classics Live Album Date: 21 Aug 1998 23:48:15 +0000 > > I guess Tanzmusik might fade out because the master tape > > Since crackling noises are audible, it appears that the recording was > mastered from vinyl, and not directly from the original master tape. > That's further indication for a bootleg. I don't think these noises como from a vinyl. Doesn't sound like that kind of noise. Sounds like some kind of problem with some electric device. If this is a bootleg, it's the best sound I've ever heard from a bootleg. It's even superior to some official records! It could be interesting to investigate more details about this recording. Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) KW Concert Classics on Viny..definitely sure! Date: 22 Aug 1998 16:17:04 +0200 I now hold in my hand a vinyl copy of Concert Classic. So, yes it actually does exist. Side one plays Autobahn, while side two lists Kometenmelodie, Morgenspaziergang-part 1, Morgenspaziergang-part 2 Design-wise it looks quite like the Cd-release. Front picture is exactly the same. The colours on the back have been changed from red-ish to green, just like on the front picture. It comes with a plain white inner sleeve, the back cover states Made in England - the vinyl itself states Manufactured in EEC. So there you go! Roland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank Moriarty Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk at Emerald City 1981 - Details and Review Date: 23 Aug 1998 09:31:50 -0400 Some interest has been expressed about Kraftwerk's show at Emerald City in Cherry Hill, New Jersey in 1981. Apparently no details have been known about this show, including the date it took place. So, here we go... My friend Tom Sheehy did publicity for Emerald City during its existence. Shows there were originally booked through the huge Electric Factory Concerts organization. However, the owner of Emerald City, a fellow named Charlie, hired booker Bill Rogers away from Electric Factory. By 1981, Rogers had left Emerald City and Sheehy inherited the booking position. Kraftwerk were booked through their agency, Premier Talent in New York. The concert took place on Saturday, August 1, 1981. Tom tried to find the actual contract so I could scan it for your viewing, but wasn't able to find it. If it does turn up, I'll advise everyone. Tom does remember one incident, which was that the contract required ten helpers to unload and set up Kling Klang. Charlie the owner ignored this, and when the trucks arrived there were only four helpers there. One went to Tom's office and said, "You better watch out because there's a huge German looking you and he is really pissed!!!" He eventually found Tom, shouting in his face (with heavy accent), "Ten loaders! We tell you ten loaders!!!" Tom defused the situation by getting some security people to help out. The Kraftwerk show ended up being the final major show at Emerald City. Tom was able to find a copy of a review of the concert that appeared in Philadelphia's major daily newspaper, the Philadelphia Inquirer. With thanks to Tom, here is the review: PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER Copyright (c) 1981, Philadelphia Newspapers Inc. DATE: Sunday, August 9, 1981 TAG: 8102040224 PAGE: H05 LENGTH: 36 lines EDITION: SA SECTION: FEATURES ARTS + LEISURE REVIEWS A COMPUTER CONCEPT THAT WORKS IN CONCERT SOURCE: BY EDGAR KOSHATKA TEXT: Pop music has always had a small, maverick wing that stressed a concept instead of a personality or unique talent. With the German band Kraftwerk, * which appeared at Emerald City in Cherry Hill last weekend, the " whole group" concept has been carried to the ultimate. The four-man unit has been at the forefront of pop music's " science fiction" wing for more than half a decade and has built its entire concept around the idea of peaceful coexistence between man and machine. It is a concept so strong - and visually stimulating, at least in concert - that even those who might not like the music seldom remain unmoved by the extra-musical trappings. Kraftwerk's latest album, " Computer World," forms the musical and visual theme of its current tour. Surrounded by TV screens, computer-terminal-style hardware and an extraordinary bank of sound-control devices, the black-suited foursome from Dusseldorf offers tunes with titles such as " Numbers," " Pocket Calculator," " Computer Love," " Home Computer" and " It's More Fun to Compute." The synthesized keyboard and percussion sounds prove totally compatible with the titles. Along the way, the group also revived hits such as " Radioactivity, " " Trans-Europe Express," and " Autobahn" ; the latter two were presented with Cinerama-style visuals that took the audience along the highway or railroad tracks at breathtaking speed. The group is composed of Ralf Hutter, Wolfgang Flur, Karl Bartos and Florian Scheider. computers - Edgar Koshatka Hope this has shed some light on a distant night in Kraftwerk's past, and you've enjoyed this trip back to 1981! Frank Moriarty -- For info on my books and articles, please visit: http://www.voicenet.com/~portiam/frank/ You'll find things that go fast and make a lot of noise! *************************************************** I want to hear and see everything... -- Jimi Hendrix *************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk at Emerald City 1981 - Details and Review Date: 23 Aug 1998 10:38:13 EDT Frank, thank you for sharing that info with us! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mallade" <0732240d01@cplus.es> Subject: (kw) Autobahn Tour 1975 Date: 23 Aug 1998 18:29:11 +0200 At http://www.hitxop.es/ there's listed a KW CD (make a search for "Kraftwerk") titled "Autobahn Tour 1975," tagged as "Coming soon," released in 1998 it says. Does anyone know what this is??? Thx, Fer mallade@abonados.cplus.es http://members.tripod.com/~mallade # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Kelly Subject: (kw) re: Emerald City show Date: 23 Aug 1998 12:57:19 -0400 ... about Kraftwerk's show at Emerald City in Cherry Hill, New Jersey in 1981. I attended this show, (2nd time seeing KWerk). Kraftwerk were mesmerising; much like the recent New York performance. Emerald City was a great place to see live music; good sound, club atmosphere. Saw many shows there. Dan, Philadelphia. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nebulous@erols.com Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn Tour 1975 Date: 23 Aug 1998 13:05:28 >At http://www.hitxop.es/ there's listed a KW CD (make a search for >"Kraftwerk") titled "Autobahn Tour 1975," tagged as "Coming soon," >released in 1998 it says. Does anyone know what this is??? I believe it's just the Japanese import version of the 'Concert Classics' CD if I'm not mistaken. The name is different but the recording is the same. Scott nebulous@erols.com #Kraftwerk, IRC's DALnet "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) German Tour de France text Date: 23 Aug 1998 20:52:00 +0200 Eine Frage an die deutschsprachigen Mitglieder der Liste. A question to the German speaking list members. Some days ago I got the sampler "21 Racing Tracks - Tour de France". I hoped Bartos´ version of "Tour de France" is more understandable than the original. Pustekuchen! Bitte wer oder was "dreht ein großes Blatt" ? Who is "rotating a large blade" ? Weiß jemand mehr als ich ? Does anybody know ? Danke. Thanks. Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: (kw) Off Topic - looking for Rudi Reiker Date: 23 Aug 1998 13:56:34 -0400 Rudi, I tried sending a message to you concerning Foreign Novelty Smash, but unfortunately it was returned to me "user unknown". Would you please give me your correct E-Mail address and I will resend it. Send a reply to me either here at n8tlc@juno.com (prefered) or to huggy_bear@ameritech.net Thank you Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com FidoNet 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 LifestylesNet 66:1810/101 ICQ UIN 7298861 ...we now return to our regularly scheduled flame throwing. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esquivel@earthling.net Subject: (kw) detroit bootlegs anywhere ??? Date: 23 Aug 1998 16:38:05 -0400 (EDT) i was at the detroit show and i was wondering if anyone knows the whereabouts of any recordings from that show...it was one of the best i've ever seen and i'd really like to get a copy... thanks, d. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Norman" Subject: (kw) Bartos version of Tour de France Date: 23 Aug 1998 23:58:39 +0200 SSd2ZSByZWFkIHRoYXQgQ2FybCBCYXJ0b3MgaGFzIGRvbmUgYW4gdmVyc2lvbiBvZiBUb3VyIGRl IEZyYW5jZSBvbiBzb21lIHByb21vIENELiANCklzIHRoZXJlIHNvbWUga2luZCBzb3VsIHdobyBj YW4gbWFrZSBhbiAubXAzIG9mZiB0aGF0IG9uZSBhbmQgc2hhcmUgaXQgd2l0aCB1cz8NCklmIHlv dSBkb250IGhhdmUgYSBzaXRlIHRvIHBsYWNlIGl0IG9uLCBpIGNhbiBmaXggdGhhdCwganVzdCBs ZXQgbWUga25vdy4NCg0KQm9pbmc= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Chicago Show Date: 23 Aug 1998 19:47:43 -0000 Anyone know of a bootleg of the June Chicago show at the Riv? I saw some people recording, perhaps they read this list.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk on swedish radio Date: 24 Aug 1998 13:37:37 +0100 The Swedish P3:channel is having a Kraftwerk-week this week, this means tha= t they will play at least one KW-song each day=2E # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Groove Date: 24 Aug 1998 16:44:17 +0200 (DFT) The August/September issue of the German freebie magazine Groove contains a review of the Sonar festival, incl. a Kraftwerk colour live photo ("The Man Machine"). The photo is from 1997, though. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk on swedish radio Date: 24 Aug 1998 14:12:55 +0200 > The Swedish P3:channel is having a Kraftwerk-week this week, this = means that they will play at least one KW-song each day. Hmm... this may be a re-run of the Kraftwerk-week on Musikjournalen = last year. If so, do tune in to Musikjournalen Dans on Wednesday, with a 25 minute block of KW-musik and an interview with Morgan Karlsson, = who is associated with Dieter D=F6pfer, on the themes and ideas of = Kraftwerk. You'll probably also be able to hear what I have to say = about Ralf and Florian on Thursday on Musikjournalen Rock... /anders # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Keyboards on Kraftwerk Date: 24 Aug 1998 19:14:48 +0200 (DFT) The September issue of the German magazine Keyboards features 5 pages on Karl Bartos and Wolfgang Fluer, who are answering readers questions about Kraftwerk. Due to lack of space, some of the questions were not answered in the printed version of the magazine, but these answers were published in the online edition at http://www.keyboards.de/magazine/m0998/kraftwerk.htm However, the online version omits most of the questions/answers from the printed version. The article includes an interesting archive photo of four Mattel puppets with the Kraftwerk members' heads, supplied by Wolfgang Fluer. A low quality version of this photo is online at http://www.keyboards.de/magazine/m0998/kraftwerk.jpg Relevant news: Karl Bartos is currently working on a live concept for his music. The next Yamo album, titled "Serenity Supreme", is scheduled for next winter. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: RE: (kw) Neonlights in MIDI format Date: 24 Aug 1998 13:17:28 +0200 > I urge you not to let your MIDI anywhere near Neon Lights... try an old well, if you find some decent sounds to trigger, why not? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Concert Classics Live Album - now also released on Date: 24 Aug 1998 01:55:20 +0200 >> > That quote [in Bussy] about Kraftwerk not knowing that different >> >countries had different voltages for their mains electricity... >> different countries? what different countries? > France, USA, UK, Germany... all differents mixtures of 50Hz / 60Hz, >110V, 220V , 240V... yes, I knew, I tried a joke, maybe I had to write "are there different countries?" :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "markus vidman" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk album? Date: 24 Aug 1998 10:13:22 PDT When are Kraftwerk going to release there new album in Sweden? I´ve herd som rumors but i´dony belive them. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: resin@tuna.net (resin@tuna.net) Subject: (kw) yamaha djx keyboard Date: 24 Aug 1998 18:33:43 -0400 hello have any of the u.k. listmembers seen or used the new yamaha djx keyboard? any info would be appreciated. thanks in advance darren # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Concert Classics Live Album - now also released on Vinyl! Date: 25 Aug 1998 01:01:25 -0400 > France, USA, UK, Germany... all differents mixtures of 50Hz / 60Hz, >110V, 220V , 240V... I was reading somewhere that Europe was changing to 230v 50hz across the = board, to avoid the 220v / 240v discrepency. Living here in the US = (120v 60hz), it's kind of a moot point, but has anyone else heard that? Anyone else want to talk power? (wiring practices, etc)? E-Mail me! I = am very familiar with US and Canadian codes & practices, but I'd love to = learn more about other countries. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric.Schader@gambro.com Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk album? Date: 25 Aug 1998 09:25:08 +0200 > When are Kraftwerk going to release there new album in Sweden? >=20 > I=B4ve herd som rumors but i=B4dony belive them. >=20 If you by any chance mean Concert Klassics, they've got it at Ginza for = 99 SEK. http://icat2.postnet.se/ginza/ Regards Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esquivel@earthling.net Subject: (kw) re: yamaha djx Date: 24 Aug 1998 20:36:18 -0400 (EDT) a friend of mine here in toronto is a rep for yamaha and he's been playing with it for a while...my first hand observations are that it's basically an expensive funky portasound...it only has a 1/8 " stereo out, and the sounds are somewhat cliched...sampled vocals etc... he's a player though, and he can do some pretty neat stuff with it...apparently it's going to retail here in canada for around 650-700 bucks canadian...i own a nordlead 2, so it's pretty tough for me to be impressed by the djx :) , but for someone who wants a relatively cheap intro to electronica (god, i hate the 'e' word !) i suppose it would be a good start... d. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) DJ Hell article in De-Bug Magazine re KW at Sonar & Roskilde Date: 25 Aug 1998 21:31:10 +0200 Here is what german DJ Hell wrote in the august issue of german Techno Magazine De-Bug (page 3) ...sorry, only in German!! Donnerstag nach Barcelona zum Sonar Festival. Abends gleich Kraftwerk live. Konzert der besonderen Art, perfekt mit Videoshows, Robotern, Transeuropa-Express, alle Hits der letzten 30 Jahre gespielt und atemberaubend. Ich durfte mit Ralf Huetter ("Bist du der DJ aus der Hoelle?") plaudern und habe gefragt, wie es in Detroit war. Er antwortet, dass sie vor 17 Jahren schom mal dort gespielt haben. KW hat ja andere Zeitrechnungen, und die Stadt sei nicht sehr viel schoener geworden. Ausserst angehehm zurueckhaltende, nette aeltere Gentlemen! 2 neue Tracks: "OSCILATOR" glaube ich. Haetten sie auch Mitte der 80er produzieren koennen, einer zwar mit 150bpm ein Zugestaendnis an Techno, klingt aber altmodisch. ... cut... Abstecher nach Roskilde: vor KRAFTWERK aufgelegt. Jeder Artist hat da so ein Backstage-Haeuschen: eigener Kuehlschrank, Handtuecher, Dusche... FLORIAN SCHNEIDER meinte vaeterlich-fuersorglich, es waere ziemlich kalt in der Halle, ich sollte mir etwas Waermeres anziehen. Ich habe ein reines Elektroset gespielt, eine halbe Stunde bevor KRAFTWERK anfingen waren dann 18000 Leute in der Halle, beeindruckend. Fuer mich etwas sehr besonderes: das Vorprogramm zu gestalten fuer die grossen Helden. PS:There is also a big interview with Karl Heinz Stockhausen in this issue.. "Did you invent Techno? Yes!" There you go! Roland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nitrous@home.com Subject: (kw) translation for Roland Date: 25 Aug 1998 16:43:46 -0400 English: Thursday to Barcelona to the sonar Festival. In the evening equal power station live. Concert of the special type, perfectly with Videoshows, robots, Europeanexpressexpress European express, all hits of the last 30 years easily and breath-robbing. I was allowed with Ralf Huetter (" you are the DJ from hell? ") plaudern and asked, how it was in Detroit. It answers that they played times there before 17 years schom. KW has different time calculations, and the city became not very many more beautiful. Outer only angehehm reserved, nice older Gentlemen! 2 new TRACKS: " OSCILATOR " I believe. Even if they could have produced in the middle of the 80's, with 150bpm a concession at Techno, sounds however old fashionable. Excursion after Roskilde: before POWER STATION presented. Each typist has there such a baking steam turbine and gas turbine system little house: own refrigerator, towels, shower... FLORIAN CUTTER meant paternal fuersorglich, it would be rather cold in the hall, I should something warmer dress. I a pure electrical set played, a half hour before POWER STATION began was then 18000 people in the hall, impressing. For me somewhat very special: the interlude to arrange for the large heroes. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JT Subject: (kw) Utrecht 1981 MP3 Date: 25 Aug 1998 15:53:46 -0400 Hello. Just a quick announcement that Active-K has been updated with a new listing of mp3 files. Now you can download the Utrecht '81 concert (radio broadcast) taken from the rare Computertour CD bootleg. The URL to files are stored in a zipped text file. ** Please do not link to these files directly. ** For anyone who is unable to open a ZIP file, I will happily email the links by request. The Active-K page is accessible from the links section on the Efofex page at: http://efofex.simplenet.com/links.html (follow the "resonance underground" link) or from the resonance underground page directly at: http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html Of course the bad news is that the ZKM files are being removed within the next day or so. But I would imagine everyone would have them by now. Take care. PS. - Been too busy again so yet longer the Kraftwerk MIDI files at resonance underground have not been added to (sorry). I AM anxious to get back to this little project, but alas, time will not currently allow. ______________________________________________________________ The Electronica of Efofex - "All presets must die!" http://efofex.simplenet.com Mailing list info: http://efofex.simplenet.com/mailinglist.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) translation for Roland Date: 26 Aug 1998 08:06:44 +0100 heh heh heh - babelfish, eh? what a crack! just like having your very own stanley unwin... >English: > > > Thursday to Barcelona to the sonar Festival. In the >evening equal power station live. > Concert of the special type, perfectly with Videoshows, >robots, > Europeanexpressexpress European express, all hits of the >last 30 years easily and > breath-robbing # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 0625138143-0001@t-online.de (Armin Poecker) Subject: (kw) Tour De France german text Date: 26 Aug 1998 18:44:00 +0200 > From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de > Subject: (kw) German Tour de France text > > Eine Frage an die deutschsprachigen Mitglieder der Liste. > A question to the German speaking list members. > > Some days ago I got the sampler "21 Racing Tracks - Tour de France". > I hoped Bartos' version of "Tour de France" is more understandable than the > original. Pustekuchen! > > Bitte wer oder was "dreht ein grosses Blatt" ? > Who is "rotating a large blade" ? > > Weiss jemand mehr als ich ? > Does anybody know ? The original german text of Tour De France reads: Runder Tritt und grosses Blatt This is cycling jargon I think, 'grosses Blatt' means the large blade in the bike's gearchange. Bye, Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JT Subject: Re: (kw) Utrecht 1981 MP3 Date: 26 Aug 1998 16:45:42 -0400 Svensson, Joakim wrote: > > Hi! > > I think you missed the zip-file. The link ...aug20_1998.zip links to > ...june15_1998.zip. My apologies. Certainly an oversight on my part. Everything has been straightened out. You should get the correct ZIP file now. You may now access the page corrected page: http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/activek.html Regards, -John ______________________________________________________________ The Electronica of Efofex - "Noise has a new purpose" http://efofex.simplenet.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "markus vidman" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk MP3 Date: 26 Aug 1998 12:07:05 PDT Does anyonw know where i can find some samples from Kraftwerks new album, in MP3 format? Or ra format.. -Markus ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) Tour De France german text Date: 26 Aug 1998 19:48:42 +0100 gunther: > Runder Tritt und grosses Blatt > > This is cycling jargon I think, 'grosses Blatt' means the large > blade in the bike's gearchange. I know little German, but would "racing in the highest gear" be nearer the mark, at least in meaning if not literal word for word translation? jon alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: (kw) Bussy's Book, New KW BOOK? Date: 26 Aug 1998 19:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Hope some of the list members can help me since I'm stucke here in the Old U.S.A, Ihave been looking for a copy of Pascal Bussy's Book. I have used the ISBN Number given on the FAQ with no luck. If anyone knows or has seen the book in the USA, could you please help me find it? I am also interested in finding the NEW Kraftwerk Book. Thanks! ******************************************************************************** * June 11th, 1998. State Theater * Eric Knight * * KRAFTWERK * ericknig@sprynet.com * * I was there, I will Never Forget * * ******************************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Captain Punctuation Subject: (kw) BBC Radio1 Documentary Date: 26 Aug 1998 21:43:48 -0000 Hey all, Anyone know where one can download the BBC documantary? The one link I found for it has expired. Thanks # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob VonMoss Subject: (kw) WGN Kraftwerk bumper music Date: 26 Aug 1998 23:35:41 -0500 I'm listening to WGN 720 AM in Chicago and they just did a few seconds of "Home Computer" as the intro to a web site advice segment of the talk show. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robertstamper@juno.com (Robert L Stamper) Subject: (kw) Re: Bussy's Book Date: 27 Aug 1998 02:10:40 -0400 I was able to find Bussy's Kraftwerk book at Tower Records in Atlanta (2 years ago), and they get in new copies every now and then, so that might be a good place to get it if you have a Tower nearby. Robert _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) (Fwd) Newsletter from MCT Date: 27 Aug 1998 11:27:03 +0000 The following is quoted from the most recent MCT newsletter: > More news from us here in Berlin: > > KRAFTWERK > - had to change the dates of their South American tour to the following: > > 16.10. Rio de Janeiro > 17.10. Sao Paulo > > the date in Buenos Aires stays on the 12.10. [...] > The Concert Companies > MCT Konzertagentur GmbH > Berlin > Germany > Tel. + 49-30-53 63 82 00 > Fax. + 49-30-53 63 82 22 > Web Site: www.tickets.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Another "Tour de France" compilation? Date: 27 Aug 1998 11:27:52 +0000 According to Keyboards 9/1998, there is a compilation "Tour de France '98" out on Motor Music/Elektromotor, that features the Karl Bartos cover version of "Tour de France". Is it possible that they mean in fact the "21 racing tracks" compilation on Warner, or is there a second compilation with this track? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Michael Rother Concert Date: 27 Aug 1998 11:28:49 +0000 A concert with Michael Rother, Dieter Moebius "and guests" is announced as the first part of the opening concert for this year's komm festival in Duesseldorf. According to the komm 98 programme book, they are also planning to go on tour. The concert is scheduled for September 11th, 19:00-20:00, at the Tonhallenbuehne (Rheinufer, Oberkasseler Bruecke). Admission is free. Other artists appearing at the opening concert are the Pyrolator and Nonex. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Review of the new Kraftwerk biography in The Wire Date: 27 Aug 1998 11:31:37 +0000 The September issue of The Wire features an in-depth review of the forthcoming new Kraftwerk biography "From Duesseldorf To The Future (With Love)" by Tim Barr, which is quite unfavourable. It seems that we can expect some "clumsy, irritating mistakes" (example: Barr writes that the Second World War began in 1940...), as well as "grossly inaccurate and offensive analogies". Also, the reviewer notes that Barr's "sources are somehow lacking". Barr didn't seem to have used any new sources, except for a new interview with Wolfgang Fluer. (Possibly the same as the one recently published in Future music?) Instead, the book seems to be more or less a rehash of Pascal Bussy's book: "Relying on inadequate resources results in sweeping generalisations like 'surrounded by a pool of creative people', and some truly flat writing. It also means that, when all else fails, he resorts to Bussy's book for the odd prompt." Also, "the paucity of Barr's future speculations reveal just how poor his insider sources are." Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Review of the new Kraftwerk biography in The Wire Date: 27 Aug 1998 11:32:03 +0100 >The September issue of The Wire features an in-depth review of the >forthcoming new Kraftwerk biography "From Duesseldorf To The Future >(With Love)" by Tim Barr, which is quite unfavourable. so, another turd eh? oh well, I'll buy it anyway - it's either that or a German dictionary ;-) jon alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin Niedergesaess Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk on German Radio Station HR1 Date: 27 Aug 1998 13:24:59 +0200 tonight (27.08.) at 19:10 on HR1 a special about Kraftwerk and Bands that are influenced by kw. http://www.hr-online.de/hf/hr1/sendungen/schwarzweiss/index.html Martin p.s. HR1 can be received also via Astra Digital Radio regarding to following url: http://www.hr-online.de/astra.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) BBC Radio1 Documentary Date: 27 Aug 1998 08:03:53 +0100 http://www.unl.ac.uk/~jon/kraftwerk/multimedia files are named something like 'radio1part1.ra' - just look in the directory and you'll find it. >Hey all, > >Anyone know where one can download the BBC documantary? The one link I >found for it has expired. > >Thanks # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) Dreiklangsdimensionen canceled ? Date: 27 Aug 1998 19:39:35 +0200 In teletext of Bayerischer Rundfunk TV is written departing from TV-guide: 28.08.1998, 0.15-1.00: "Hans-Jürgen Buchner, Haindling" Portrait von Jürgen Barto No "Dreiklangdimensionen - Part 2". Maybe KW themselves have forbidden the transmission? Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Michael Rother Concert Date: 27 Aug 1998 19:34:52 +0100 going to be tough getting from that to argentina the next day... chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rwneumann@lucent.com (Robert W Neumann) Subject: (kw) Chicago Date Canceled? Date: 27 Aug 1998 14:57:06 -0500 About a month ago I read on the Kraftwerk web page that there was a concert scheduled at the Riviera Theatre in Chicago on October 6, 1998. I called Ticketmaster to get tickets and they weren't on sale yet. Well, the latest review of the San Francisco concert in the latest "Keyboard" magazine prompted me to look again, and although there is a "dot" on the world map in the Chicago area indicating a proposed concert, that concert is no longer listed. It appears there WILL be a concert in Buenos Aires on October 12 (!!). So, has the Chicago Leg of the concert canceled? Thanks, Bob Neumann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Liethen Subject: Re: (kw) Chicago Date Canceled? Date: 27 Aug 1998 17:50:54 -0500 You read the date wrong, it was on June 10th, not October 6th. I wish things like this would become standardized. >About a month ago I read on the Kraftwerk web page that there >was a concert scheduled at the Riviera Theatre in Chicago >on October 6, 1998. I called Ticketmaster to get tickets >and they weren't on sale yet. > >Well, the latest review of the San Francisco concert in >the latest "Keyboard" magazine prompted me to look again, >and although there is a "dot" on the world map in the Chicago >area indicating a proposed concert, that concert is no >longer listed. It appears there WILL be a concert in >Buenos Aires on October 12 (!!). > >So, has the Chicago Leg of the concert canceled? > >Thanks, > >Bob Neumann ___________________________________________ Peter Liethen --- pliethen@execpc.com PeteNet Studio --- petenet.dragonfire.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: resin@tuna.net (resin@tuna.net) Subject: (kw) sheet muzik Date: 28 Aug 1998 01:43:24 -0400 so whats the story with kw sheet music? i ask because a lady i know is in marthas vineyard, ma. and found autobahn sheet music with a lovely cover (the original album cover art) and she was so kind as to send this document to me. it looks like its from the 70's/ early 80's. it does not include the lyrics, just the notation for the music. it has what i believe to be a catalog #- F52050, and was published by "charles hansen educational music & books". it also has a g&w logo, "famous music corporation" (a gulf and western company). it says: KLING KLANG MUSICVERLAG and says "kraftwerk managed by mr. i. mouse ltd. (with a logo of a mouse with a suit, hat and cane...) i dont think i would ever sell this item, but it has made me curious about the interest in and collectible nature of printed sheet music from kraftwerk. any information/thoughts regarding this document , or any other kw sheet music would be appreciated. darren ps-so who/what is mr. i. mouse? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) Robots And Computers Date: 13 Aug 1998 16:53:32 +0200 The sample-CD "Robots And Computers", produced by Best Service company, have a distinct KRAFTWERK flavour, even using KRAFTWERK-style sleeve art. It is has been described officially thus: "This collection is a must for fans of electronic music and KRAFTWERK". Does anyone knows something more about this item? How can I get it? DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) Intel Website Date: 13 Aug 1998 16:59:36 +0200 The Intel's Website Homepage had a section of the menu called Home Computing. ;-) DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) Sample program Date: 13 Aug 1998 16:56:33 +0200 There is a small KRAFTWERK sample program to indicate the arrival of new mail from the Kraftwerk mailing list that plays samples when mail arrives, using different samples depending on who the mail is from. Does anybody know how to get it? DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Astrolude@aol.com Subject: (kw) My kraftwerk page Date: 28 Aug 1998 07:34:49 EDT its pretty lame right now but check it out, i only have 1 pic and 1 MP3 up on the page....check it out anyway though..and don't forget to sign my guest book ;) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4793/index.html ~Astro # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Smady Menko Subject: Re: (kw) Chicago Date Canceled? Date: 28 Aug 1998 04:38:29 -0700 (PDT) ---Peter Liethen wrote: > > > You read the date wrong, it was on June 10th, not October 6th. I wish > things like this would become standardized. > Oh there is, it's just that not many cares (or knows). June the 10th 1998 should by the world standard (that as far as I know only a few European countries uses) 1998-06-10, Year-month-day. Smady _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: (kw) Retro XXI Date: 28 Aug 1998 14:20:25 +0200 Hi all, SIGLO XXI is a spanish radio program nomally dedicated to new music tendences (techno, electronic, industrial, ambient, house, trip-hop, hip-hop, dub, jungle...) but today... Tomas Fernando Flores (its conducto= r) have dedicated the program to old pioneers that with their innovations opened new ways for new styles and music creativity. Of course, Tomas played KRAFTWERK (The Model), and made some comments abo= ut THEM: 1.They are very diferents to any other musicians 2. Their concert in SONAR 98 (nothing new) 3. Their music is imperishable, and perfectly could be recorded nowadays. 4. Principal influence for all electronic musicians since 70s 5. and the most interesting and new comment for all member list (I think)= : Tomas said: "MAYBE THEY ARE LISTENING THIS PROGRAM FROM THEIR RESIDENCIAL HOME IN MAJORCA (Spanish Mediterranean Island) WHERE THEY LIVE IN A LARGE PART OF YEAR" Maybe we have the Kling Klang 2 in Spain, and we don=B4t know ;-)) (Estoy seguro que Jos=E9 Garc=EDa y alguno mas ya est=E1n cogiendo un bar= co a Mallorca ;-) In this 2 hours program playing (in this order): New Musik Buggles Yellow Magic Orchestra Kraftwerk Soft Cell Ultravox Patrick Hernandez (Madonna made her first chorus werk in this song... ;-) Grand Master Flash & The Furious Five Sugar Hill Gang Loleta Halloway ABC Yazoo Brian Eno Can Gary Numan Heaven 17 (various songs recorded Live in London last July) Depeche Mode Front 242 New Order Lee "scracht" Perry Grace Jones Pet Shop Boys Only for nostalgic people :.-) Regards Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: (kw) Retro XXI Date: 28 Aug 1998 14:24:19 +0200 Hi all, SIGLO XXI is a spanish radio program nomally dedicated to new music tendences (techno, electronic, industrial, ambient, house, trip-hop, hip-hop, dub, jungle...) but today... Tomas Fernando Flores (its conducto= r) have dedicated the program to old pioneers that with their innovations opened new ways for new styles and music creativity. Of course, Tomas played KRAFTWERK (The Model), and made some comments abo= ut THEM: 1.They are very diferents to any other musicians 2. Their concert in SONAR 98 (nothing new) 3. Their music is imperishable, and perfectly could be recorded nowadays. 4. Principal influence for all electronic musicians since 70s 5. and the most interesting and new comment for all member list (I think)= : Tomas said: "MAYBE THEY ARE LISTENING THIS PROGRAM FROM THEIR RESIDENCIAL HOME IN MAJORCA (Spanish Mediterranean Island) WHERE THEY LIVE IN A LARGE PART OF YEAR" Maybe we have the Kling Klang 2 in Spain, and we don=B4t know ;-)) (Estoy seguro que Jos=E9 Garc=EDa y alguno mas ya est=E1n cogiendo un bar= co a Mallorca ;-) In this 2 hours program playing (in this order): New Musik Buggles Yellow Magic Orchestra Kraftwerk Soft Cell Ultravox Patrick Hernandez (Madonna made her first chorus werk in this song... ;-) Grand Master Flash & The Furious Five Sugar Hill Gang Loleta Halloway ABC Yazoo Brian Eno Can Gary Numan Heaven 17 (various songs recorded Live in London last July) Depeche Mode Front 242 New Order Lee "scracht" Perry Grace Jones Pet Shop Boys Only for nostalgic people :.-) Regards Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jules Subject: Re: (kw) Chicago Date Canceled? Date: 28 Aug 1998 14:03:16 +0700 Smady Menko wrote: > > ---Peter Liethen wrote: > > > > > > You read the date wrong, it was on June 10th, not October 6th. I wish > > things like this would become standardized. > > > > Oh there is, it's just that not many cares (or knows). June the 10th > 1998 should by the world standard (that as far as I know only a few > European countries uses) 1998-06-10, Year-month-day. > bollocks. Time originates in europe, and so should the standard. It's you lot who have to change everything to non-standardise it, bloody 'tires', and 'color', tsk, what next. ;-P jules -- J.K. Seifert - Engineering Design Services EVE Asia Ratchadaphisak Road Huaykwang Bangkok Thailand # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: (kw) Autobahn and "Kohoutek-Kometenmelodie" questions Date: 28 Aug 1998 11:38:48 -0400 (EDT) 3 Questions: Is the Autobahn "band in the back seat of a VW" back sleeve picture available scanned anywhere? How different is "Kohoutek-Kometenmelodie" from the regular version? What does "Kohoutek" mean? thanks, -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: (kw) Duesseldorf Hbf Date: 28 Aug 1998 11:52:54 -0400 (EDT) I just found this shot made in the Duesseldorf main train station http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/2648/img/mprints9.jpg I now have a second mission for when I go to D'dorf later this year... I hope the specific designs haven't been modernized away (specifically, the clock separate from the departure display doesn't look familiar from recent times). -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: (kw) Antenne Date: 29 Aug 1998 02:01:17 +1000 All, Does anyone out there have a tape of the 1976 'Antenne' video? or 'Radioactivity' '76 video ? I have tons of stuff to offer in exchange. Or does the 'Antenne' video even exist (?). ADAM # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn and "Kohoutek-Kometenmelodie" questions Date: 28 Aug 1998 10:35:39 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, G. Benedikt Rochow wrote: > What does "Kohoutek" mean? It's the name of a comet. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Corchado Subject: Re: (kw) Antenne Date: 28 Aug 1998 12:26:13 -0500 (CDT) > Or does the 'Antenne' video even exist (?). This might be confirmed by Spanish members: I remember a long time ago (probably it was about 10 years ago) that Metropolis, a show by a Spanish TV channel (La 2), dedicated a program to some 'new wave', 'techno pop', and other 70's and 80's music (I think they called it 'after punk movements'). They played a couple of minutes from 'Antenne'. The video was the four guys playing keyboards and moving very little (what a surprise! ;-) and some images of the same antenne as in their web page, although it was black on a white background, if my memory doesn't fail. I didn't find it particularly good. I remember I also watched the video 'Close to the edit', by 'The art of noise': A girl destroying a grand piano with a chainsaw. It was amazing! I found it really funny and very appropriate for that song. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Review of the new Kraftwerk biography in The Wire Date: 27 Aug 1998 13:09:20 +0200 >resorts to Bussy's book for the odd prompt." Also, "the paucity of >Barr's future speculations reveal just how poor his insider sources >are." surely he is not on this list! :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lux, Kevin" Subject: (kw) re: Technik Date: 28 Aug 1998 17:31:40 -0500 Greetings to all Kraftwerk listmembers: I am almost ready to release my latest production to labels, radio stations, and the masses! My new album is entitled "Technik" and indeed will be dedicated to Ralf & Florian.. I'd like to take this opportunity to let listmembers get first take at sampling it before I release it widely.. The entire album is available in mono realaudio format on my website..the format is done this way to get people to mainly hear the content and then want the CD copy..... Please let me know your thoughts and I thank you.. http://www.kevinlux.simplenet.com artwork will come soon, copyright 1998 !Pulss productions. KL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "markus vidman" Subject: (kw) tours? Date: 28 Aug 1998 15:51:51 PDT When in the near future are Kraftwerk comming to Sweden or any other Nordic country? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) new KRAFTWERK book Date: 29 Aug 1998 01:14:47 +0200 Does anybody know, when the new KRAFTWERK book will be released. It was announced for July, but it isn´t out yet. Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RHC Subject: Re: (kw) Chicago Date Canceled? Date: 29 Aug 1998 04:50:07 +0100 At 04:38 28-08-98 -0700, you wrote: >Oh there is, it's just that not many cares (or knows). June the 10th >1998 should by the world standard (that as far as I know only a few >European countries uses) 1998-06-10, Year-month-day. Among those a civilized country called Denmark. *sigh* -Rene ICQ UIN 2193840 A Staff Member of Last Sigh Magazine For Underground Music http://www.waste.org/lastsigh # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: weldelectronica@worldnet.att.net Subject: (kw) GENERAL INFO Date: 29 Aug 1998 08:31:08 -0400 hello everyone im new, so please forgive these questions if they have been discussed 100 times what is the latest news on thee new album??????? what was the equipment list on the most recent tour??? what did eveyone think of Flur's album (Yamo "Time Pie") cheers weld # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: (kw) A friend meet Florian in Barcelona :-)) Date: 29 Aug 1998 13:46:18 +0200 Hi all ! Two days ago I found a friend who meet Florian in Barcelona folowing day of their concert in SONAR. Florian went to see the nigth SONAR show ( same place where they played their music) . Next days I'll put a image on-line where you can see my friend and Florian together. Regards ! --------------------------- Juan Prieto -MuSiK musik@cheerful.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: (kw) History of Teckno Date: 29 Aug 1998 15:00:17 +0200 Hi all ! At 15:30 European Time, The History Of Techno. (40 min since now). They will release some KW video. Regards. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mallade" <0732240d01@cplus.es> Subject: RE: (kw) History of Teckno Date: 29 Aug 1998 15:09:05 +0200 >Hi all ! >At 15:30 European Time, The History Of Techno. (40 min since now). >They will release some KW video. > What channel !!!!??? :-) Fer mallade@abonados.cplus.es http://members.tripod.com/~mallade # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: (kw) The MTV show finished Date: 29 Aug 1998 16:20:24 +0200 Hi ! Anybody else has seen the History of Thechno on MTV ? What do you think about these ? I like the comments on the screen, the final comment overcoat. The first video was Kraftwerk - Trans Europ Express !!!!! (After they played the Afrika Banbaata song that sound like T.E.E. ) Regards. MuSiK. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: RE: (kw) History of Teckno Date: 29 Aug 1998 16:22:22 +0200 >What channel !!!!??? :-) > >Fer AT MTV !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mallade" <0732240d01@cplus.es> Subject: RE: (kw) History of Teckno Date: 29 Aug 1998 16:29:24 +0200 >>What channel !!!!??? :-) >AT MTV !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jamm, too late, you made me go look at the TV guide ;-) No, thanks really. >Anybody else has seen the History of Thechno on MTV ? >What do you think about these ? Very boring, except for Kraftwerk and 2 Unlimited :-) Fermin mallade@abonados.cplus.es http://members.tripod.com/~mallade # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn and "Kohoutek-Kometenmelodie" questions Date: 29 Aug 1998 17:09:13 +0200 >What does "Kohoutek" mean? Kohoutek is the name of a comet, named that way by the name of the astronomist who discovered it, mr. Kohoutek (an hollander, I'll guess). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) new KRAFTWERK book Date: 29 Aug 1998 17:11:29 +0200 >Does anybody know, when the new KRAFTWERK book will be released. It was=20 >announced for July, but it isn=B4t out yet. was it? maybe I was out on holiday and missed it? :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Chicago Date Canceled? Date: 29 Aug 1998 17:06:27 +0200 >> You read the date wrong, it was on June 10th, not October 6th. I wish >> things like this would become standardized. >> > >Oh there is, it's just that not many cares (or knows). June the 10th >1998 should by the world standard (that as far as I know only a few >European countries uses) 1998-06-10, Year-month-day. sure pal? in the most part of the civilized countries I know the format is day month year. yes, there are exceptions, but everybody has right to be strange. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Barth" Subject: RE: (kw) Autobahn and "Kohoutek-Kometenmelodie" questions Date: 29 Aug 1998 19:43:09 +0200 ] >What does "Kohoutek" mean? ] ] Kohoutek is the name of a comet, named that way by the name of the ] astronomist who discovered it, mr. Kohoutek (an hollander, I'll guess). Funny, I would say an Italian :] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Chicago Date Canceled? Date: 29 Aug 1998 02:36:57 -0400 >>> Among those a civilized country called Denmark. <<< There's no such thing as uncivilized, kid. Peace. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Chicago Date Canceled? Date: 29 Aug 1998 20:25:32 +0200 Another country was Sweden. Until last year we used YYMMDD-format. Now it's a mess. Some use the old format (me, for instance) and some use MM.DD.YY. /Joakim PS. I work in the computer bussiness and for me the only acceptable format is CCYYMMDD. Everything else makes things (=computer systems) harder to make and maintain. -----Original Message----- >Oh there is, it's just that not many cares (or knows). June the 10th >1998 should by the world standard (that as far as I know only a few >European countries uses) 1998-06-10, Year-month-day. Among those a civilized country called Denmark. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mallade" <0732240d01@cplus.es> Subject: RE: (kw) Autobahn and "Kohoutek-Kometenmelodie" questions Date: 29 Aug 1998 20:47:02 +0200 >] >What does "Kohoutek" mean? >] >] Kohoutek is the name of a comet, named that way by the name of the >] astronomist who discovered it, mr. Kohoutek (an hollander, I'll guess). > >Funny, > >I would say an Italian :] Hahaha!! just like "Murders in the rue Morgue" eh? Fer mallade@abonados.cplus.es http://members.tripod.com/~mallade # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: RE: (kw) Autobahn and "Kohoutek-Kometenmelodie" questions Date: 29 Aug 1998 21:49:45 +0100 (BST) Hey guys: the interesting part of the question is: Is the `Kohoutek' version much different to the version on the Autobahn album? The band were playing some mighty fine live glokenspiel & orchestron fuelled rewerkings of the tune at this time, so one might hope this 'remix' captures some of that? (By the way - can any musos on the list confirm my suspicions on this one: On the "Concert Classics" live version, it sounds to me like Karl is playing all his glokenspiel tinkles *major*, when the chord progression is definately | C major | D *minor* | E *minor* | F major | (well, no-one's playing any chords, but Ralf's melody implies this, since he plays F natural over Florian's D bass notes, and G natural over Florian's E bass notes) This is a classic punk rock ploy (cf 'Anarchy In the UK'), playing everything major when some chords should be minor- it RRRROCKS! Go Karl baby!! ;-) On the other hand, my ears may just be playing tricks on me... I haven't actually sat down at the piano with the CD in my headphones to make completely sure. Any thoughts? DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mauricio Gonzalez Subject: (kw) New KRAFTWELT Album Date: 29 Aug 1998 20:38:03 -0400 Hi, Today I found and I bought a new KRAFTWELT album ! The name of this CD is "RETROISH", contains 11 tracks very good Same as oldiers kraftwelt albums, this also is "Dedicated to Ralf and Florian" :) The code of this CD is : Hipnotic Records CLP0285-2 Regards from Chile Mauricio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: (kw) to all Argentina werkers Date: 30 Aug 1998 04:06:52 +0300 Hi! This is to all Argentina werkers: Me and some other brazilian friends, we are considering the possibility to go to your country to see KW live, but we would need further information about the concert, where it will be, tickets price, security, addresses, hotels, and all such logistics. We would be very happy if some one could help us - please email me privately. Also, if there's anything we can help about the concerts in Brazil, just contact us - anyway, we don't have much info yet... :-) But that's familiar, being a KRAFTWERK concert!! ;-p Many thanks! AVELLAR. Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. * http://members.tripod.com/~AVELLAR - under construction! * mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 0625138143-0001@t-online.de (Armin Poecker) Subject: (kw) Kohoutek, Duesseldorf Date: 30 Aug 1998 11:55:04 +0200 > From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" > Subject: (kw) Autobahn and "Kohoutek-Kometenmelodie" questions > > How different is "Kohoutek-Kometenmelodie" from the regular version? Quite different. It's a bit like a polished demo for Kometenmelodie as on the Autobahn LP. Also, Kohoutek-Kometenmelodie 1 is the speedy track, 2 is the slow one. If you are from germany, try to find the LP 'Super Group Festival' (blue graphics-only cover) on Philips, this has Kohoutek-Kometenmelodie 2 on it and normally can be found in the cheapo samplers section somewhere. The comet in question was found by a an astronomer named Kohoutek. It didn't ignite when passing the earth, so no-one remembers it. (save Matt Groening... there's a reference in the Simpson's episode 'Bart's Comet') > I just found this shot made in the Duesseldorf main train station > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/2648/img/mprints9.jpg > > I now have a second mission for when I go to D'dorf later this year... > I hope the specific designs haven't been modernized away (specifically, > the clock separate from the departure display doesn't look > familiar from recent times). Certainly everything has been changed to the Deutsche Bahn's new look (clocks, displays etc.) Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) Very Rare 12" by Kraftwerk Date: 30 Aug 1998 10:44:46 +0200 Does anybody know something about the following item? A 12" without any indication about the track and the band that performs it. Without sleeve, num cat, record label, etc. Just an "Unverkäufliche / Musterplatte. Der Verkauf der Platte Wird Wegen Verletzung / ST 33 / Des Urheberrechts Strafrechtlich Verfolgt" that I think means "Promo copy. Not for sale". Maybe a White label DJ format? The records contains The Robots '78 12"version. Thanks. Danke schön. Gracias. Mercy. Automatisierungtechnik DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk + Related Bands Trade Date: 30 Aug 1998 13:29:22 +0200 Hi, I've got a lot of KW LPs, 12" and CD to trade. Please e-mail me if you are interested in it. I also have items of related bands. The list is as follows: LP Lilac Angels "I'm not afraid to ..." 0949/0211 LP Neu! "Neu! 1" 1004 CD Neu! "Neu! 1" 941025 LP Neu! "Neu! 2" B1028 CD Neu! "Neu! 2" 941026 LP Neu! "Neu! '75" 1062W CD Neu! "Neu! '75" 941030 CD Neu! "Neu! 4" CTCD020 CD Neu! "Neu! '72 live" CTCD045 LP La Duesseldorf "Viva" RAD10 CD La Duesseldorf "Viva" VIVA96 CD La Duesseldorf "Individuellos" (Japan ed.) 156286 CD La Duesseldorf "La Duesseldorf" 941107 CD La Duesseldorf "La Duesseldorf" (new) ATJ2064 CD La Duesseldorf "La! Neu?" CTCD051 CD Michael Rother "Flammende herzen" 26102 CD Michael Rother "Radio" 26112 CD Michael Rother "Traumreisen" 26132 CD Michael Rother "Lust" 26142 CD Michael Rother "Fernwaerme" 26152 CD Michael Rother "Suessherz und Tief" 26172 CD Michael Rother "Esperanza" 26182 CD Klaus Dinger "Neondian" ATJ2016 CD Harmonia "Harmonia" (Japan ed.) POCP2387 CD Harmonia "De Luxe" (Japan ed.) POCP2388 CD Organisation "Tone Float" 941000 CS Organisation "Tone Float" CD Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk" 941001 LP Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk" 6305058 LP Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk" S6305058 LP Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk 2" 6305117 LP Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk 2" S6305117 CD Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk 2" 941002 LP Kraftwerk "Ralf & Florian" + pstr. 6305197 LP Kraftwerk "Ralf & Florian" VEL2006 CD Kraftwerk "Ralf & Florian" 941023 12" Kraftwerk "The Model / Computerlove" EMI5207 12" Kraftwerk "Remake - blue" KRAFT01 12" Kraftwerk "Remake - red" KRAFT02 CD Kraftwerk "Autobahn" 7461532 LP Kraftwerk "Computerwelt" 1C0644631T CD Kraftwerk "Computerwelt" 7461302 LP Kraftwerk "Trans-Europe Express" SN16301 LP Kraftwerk "The Man Machine" SN16302 CD Kraftwerk "Die Mensch Maschine" 7461312 LP Kraftwerk "Radioactivity" SN16380 CD Kraftwerk "RadioAktivitaet" 7461322 LP Kraftwerk "Disco Best" SPRO8865 CD Kraftwerk "The Mix" 7966502 CD Kraftwerk "Schöne Neue Welt" 9401 CD Kraftwerk "Robotronik Abermensch" 9758696884749 CD Kraftwerk "Ultra Rare Tracks" CD123 Book Kraftwerk "Man, Machine and Music" CD Rheigold "Rheingold" 7948072 LP Silver Apples "Silver Apples" KS3562 LP Silver Apples "Silver Apples" OKS3562 LP Silver Apples "Contact" KS3584 7" Silver Apples "Fractal Flow" 146914 I specially need 12" Tour de France (Allemande), 12" The telephone call, 12" Der Telefon Anruf, Computer World LP (Japanese language), Computer World CD (first release), LP Computer World (Française language). Please, let me know what is of interest and send me your trading list. Thank you in advance. Automat und Telespiel DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sean and Karen Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #189 Date: 29 Aug 1998 20:07:57 -0400 You read the date wrong, it was on June 10th, not October 6th. I wish things like this would become standardized. >About a month ago I read on the Kraftwerk web page that there >was a concert scheduled at the Riviera Theatre in Chicago >on October 6, 1998. I called Ticketmaster to get tickets >and they weren't on sale yet. > Yes, well it IS standardized in the scientific community.. dates should be shown in decending order, today for instance is 98/08/29 you can if you show it this way continue downwards ie. 98/08/29/20/03/32 for 1998, august, 29th, 20 hours, 3 minutes, 32 seconds.. etc.. it is the only method that is sensible.. then again, metric is used everywhere in the world except the USA.. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Corchado Subject: Re: (kw) GENERAL INFO Date: 29 Aug 1998 14:15:58 -0500 (CDT) > what did eveyone think of Flur's album (Yamo "Time Pie") I think it is a good album, if you don't to compare it to anything by kraftwerk. In my copy there is a sticker that says 'File under Kraftwerk', and I think this is not very respectful to Flur. Anyway, it is worth to buy it. I would also like to ask the opinion of the people on the list about 'Aphex Twin'. When I bought the Richard D. James album, there was a sticker on it saying that no other electronic band sounded as organic as Aphex Twin since Kraftwerk. I don't know what they meant by organic, especially because I consider both bands to be quite cold and 'inorganic', but that cd really reminded my of the melodic Kraftwerk (Autobahn, Tour de France, ...). I think Aphex Twin is a very original and interesting band, but I would like to hear your opinion. Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) TANZMUZIK(off topic?) Date: 31 Aug 1998 9:23:27 +0100 I've got a very nice album called "SINSEKAI" by a group called "TANZMUZIK"=20= - does anybody on the list know if they=B4ve made any more albums than this -= to those of you who dont know anything about the group I highly recommend a bu= y=2E THANKS/johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gekn@ebifsol9.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de (Gerd Knochenhauer) Subject: (kw) Kohoutek Date: 31 Aug 1998 09:26:14 +0200 Professor Kohoutek was (is?) a Czechoslovakian astronomer. http://www.ksc.nasa.gov/mirrors/images/images/pao/SL4/10076400.htm Gerd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rene H. Jensen" Subject: (kw) Autobahn....... Date: 31 Aug 1998 09:34:46 +0200 Anybody seen the movie - The Big Lebowski - featuring Jeff Bridges and John Goodman? In this movie there is very funny sequense, with three of the actors, who incidently speaks english with a heavy german accent. Jeff Bridges looks at a vinyl album cover with these 3 "germans". Their band is called - Autobahn - and the cover looks exactly like the KW cover of - Die Mench-Machine. I almost fell to the the floor of the cinema laughing. TG. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sven Karlsson Subject: RE: (kw) Autobahn....... Date: 31 Aug 1998 11:45:18 +0200 Hi there! > Jeff Bridges looks at a vinyl album cover with these 3 "germans". Their > band is called - Autobahn - and the cover looks exactly like the KW > cover of - Die Mench-Machine. Well I wouldn't say it looked just like "Die Mensch-maschine". It's more like a mix of that and the promo picture for Komputer where the three members stands in a V shape manner and the camera looks from above. Anyway I think is much more funny that the leader of "Autobahn" is also a porno acter. The scene where the "Autobahns" attacks Jeff with a gettoblaster playing techno is also really funny. Regards Sven # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) Komputer live dates Date: 31 Aug 1998 10:37:16 +0200 Hello, These are the Komputer tour '98 dates: KOMPUTER ======== July 98 ------- Tue 14 London, NW1 HQ with The Bowling Green September 98 ------------ Fri 18 Brussels, Belgium Botanique Festival Sat 19 Hannover, Germany Bad Sun 20 Dresden, Germany Star Club Mon 21 Berlin, Germany Tacheless Tue 22 Hamburg, Germany Molotow Wed 23 Copenhagen, Denmark Vega Thu 24 Goteborg, Sweden Pusterviksbaren Fri 25 Stockholm, Sweden Studion Sat 26 Helsingborg, Sweden Tivoli Sun 27 Oslo, Norway Mars Tue 29 Dusseldorf, Germany Stahlwerk Gallerie Wed 30 Heidelberg, Germany Schwimmbad October 1998 ------------ Thu 1 Bern, Switzerland ISC Fri 2 Freiburg, Germany Jazzhaus Sat 3 Munich, Germany Ueberschall Sun 4 Frankfurt, Germany Nachtleben Mon 5 Stuttgart, Germany Roehre Tue 6 Regensburg, Germany Alte Maelzerei Wed 7 Vienna, Austria B72 Thu 8 Salzburg, Austria Rockhaus/Riff Fri 9 Marburg, Germany KFZ Sat 10 Jena, Germany Kassablanca Sun 11 Koeln, Germany Underground - o - o - o - More details at http://www.mutelibtech.com/mute/komputer/komputer.htm Thanks to Janet DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) RV: Kraftwerk + Related Bands Trade Date: 31 Aug 1998 14:28:13 +0200 > Hi, > I've got a lot of KW LPs, 12" and CD to trade. Please e-mail me if you are > interested in it. I also have items of related bands. > The list is as follows: > I HAVE SOME MORE ITEMS: 7" KRAFTWERK "Radioactivity / Antenna" 1J00682119 CD Harmonia "Harmonia" 941015 CD Harmonia "De Luxe" 941021 > LP Lilac Angels "I'm not afraid to ..." 0949/0211 > LP Neu! "Neu! 1" 1004 > CD Neu! "Neu! 1" 941025 > LP Neu! "Neu! 2" B1028 > CD Neu! "Neu! 2" 941026 > LP Neu! "Neu! '75" 1062W > CD Neu! "Neu! '75" 941030 > CD Neu! "Neu! 4" CTCD020 > CD Neu! "Neu! '72 live" CTCD045 > LP La Duesseldorf "Viva" RAD10 > CD La Duesseldorf "Viva" VIVA96 > CD La Duesseldorf "Individuellos" (Japan ed.) 156286 > CD La Duesseldorf "La Duesseldorf" 941107 > CD La Duesseldorf "La Duesseldorf" (new) ATJ2064 > CD La Duesseldorf "La! Neu?" CTCD051 > CD Michael Rother "Flammende herzen" 26102 > CD Michael Rother "Radio" 26112 > CD Michael Rother "Traumreisen" 26132 > CD Michael Rother "Lust" 26142 > CD Michael Rother "Fernwaerme" 26152 > CD Michael Rother "Suessherz und Tief" 26172 > CD Michael Rother "Esperanza" 26182 > CD Klaus Dinger "Neondian" ATJ2016 > CD Harmonia "Harmonia" (Japan ed.) POCP2387 > CD Harmonia "De Luxe" (Japan ed.) POCP2388 > CD Organisation "Tone Float" 941000 > CS Organisation "Tone Float" > CD Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk" 941001 > LP Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk" 6305058 > LP Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk" S6305058 > LP Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk 2" 6305117 > LP Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk 2" S6305117 > CD Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk 2" 941002 > LP Kraftwerk "Ralf & Florian" + pstr. 6305197 > LP Kraftwerk "Ralf & Florian" VEL2006 > CD Kraftwerk "Ralf & Florian" 941023 > 12" Kraftwerk "The Model / Computerlove" EMI5207 > 12" Kraftwerk "Remake - blue" KRAFT01 > 12" Kraftwerk "Remake - red" KRAFT02 > CD Kraftwerk "Autobahn" 7461532 > LP Kraftwerk "Computerwelt" 1C0644631T > CD Kraftwerk "Computerwelt" 7461302 > LP Kraftwerk "Trans-Europe Express" SN16301 > LP Kraftwerk "The Man Machine" SN16302 > CD Kraftwerk "Die Mensch Maschine" 7461312 > LP Kraftwerk "Radioactivity" SN16380 > CD Kraftwerk "RadioAktivitaet" 7461322 > LP Kraftwerk "Disco Best" SPRO8865 > CD Kraftwerk "The Mix" 7966502 > CD Kraftwerk "Schöne Neue Welt" 9401 > CD Kraftwerk "Robotronik Abermensch" 9758696884749 > CD Kraftwerk "Ultra Rare Tracks" CD123 > Book Kraftwerk "Man, Machine and Music" > CD Rheigold "Rheingold" 7948072 > LP Silver Apples "Silver Apples" KS3562 > LP Silver Apples "Silver Apples" OKS3562 > LP Silver Apples "Contact" KS3584 > 7" Silver Apples "Fractal Flow" 146914 > I specially need 12" Tour de France (Allemande), 12" The telephone call, > 12" Der Telefon Anruf, Computer World LP (Japanese language), Computer > World CD (first release), LP Computer World (Française language). > Please, let me know what is of interest and send me your trading list. > Thank you in advance. > > Automat und Telespiel > DER AUTOMAT ® > http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) The Face 96 Date: 31 Aug 1998 10:53:53 +0200 The Face magazine, year 96. Kraftwerk Schedule: Album early next year, says the rumour mill. "We won't say anything until the masters are in the building", say the record company. "We hope you like our new direction". Not trip-hop, that's for sure The Face says: The gap for middle-aged, cycling obssesed techno-freaks is duly plugged. DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: RE: (kw) Retro XXI Date: 31 Aug 1998 11:21:20 +0200 Hello, > SIGLO 21 spanish radio program. > Tomás Fdo. Flores said: "MAYBE THEY ARE LISTENING THIS PROGRAM FROM THEIR RESIDENCIAL HOME IN MAJORCA (Spanish Mediterranean Island) WHERE THEY LIVE IN A LARGE PART OF YEAR" Is this true? DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) GENERAL INFO Date: 31 Aug 1998 09:38:19 EDT On Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:15:58 -0500 (CDT) Jose Corchado writes: > > >I would also like to ask the opinion of the people on the list about >'Aphex Twin'. I think Aphex Twin is a very original and interesting >band, >but I would like to hear your opinion. > uneven imo...hes done some great stuff, dont get me wrong, but he's put out alot of dogs..id recommend selected ambient works 1 and 2, his work as polygon window, and some of the remixes he did for other people... tom w np: lee scratch perry live at maritime hall 12/97 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: AW: (kw) GENERAL INFO Date: 31 Aug 1998 17:32:48 +0100 hey werkers, as for richard d. james i would like to recommend: http://www.andreas.de/aphextwin/ for loads of information and misc.stuff about aphex twin. cheers, andreas ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH http://www.net-media.de Schubertstrasse 8 D-66111 Saarbruecken -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jose Corchado [mailto:corchado@t1.chem.umn.edu] Gesendet am: Samstag, 29. August 1998 21:16 An: schepers@mx.net-media.de Cc: Krafwerk Betreff: Re: (kw) GENERAL INFO > what did eveyone think of Flur's album (Yamo "Time Pie") I think it is a good album, if you don't to compare it to anything by kraftwerk. In my copy there is a sticker that says 'File under Kraftwerk', and I think this is not very respectful to Flur. Anyway, it is worth to buy it. I would also like to ask the opinion of the people on the list about 'Aphex Twin'. When I bought the Richard D. James album, there was a sticker on it saying that no other electronic band sounded as organic = as Aphex Twin since Kraftwerk. I don't know what they meant by organic, especially because I consider both bands to be quite cold and 'inorganic', but that cd really reminded my of the melodic Kraftwerk (Autobahn, Tour de France, ...). I think Aphex Twin is a very original and interesting band, but I would like to hear your opinion. Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicolau Centola" Subject: (kw) KW Concert dates Date: 31 Aug 1998 10:01:40 PDT Klaus, at my page http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html the dates are correct since 5.8.98. I think Concert Companies made some mistake. The official dates given to me by Free Jazz Festival production are: 16.10.98 Rio de Janeiro at Museum of Modern Art 17.10.98 Sao Paulo at Jockey Club BTW, according Ticketmaster Argentina (see my page) there's no confirmation about Kraftwerk concert in Buenos Aires yet. Maybe in two weeks, when they will receive October schedule for Obras Sanitarias Stadium. peace Nicolau > More news from us here in Berlin: > > KRAFTWERK > - had to change the dates of their South American tour to the following: > > 16.10. Rio de Janeiro > 17.10. Sao Paulo > > the date in Buenos Aires stays on the 12.10. [...] ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn and "Kohoutek-Kometenmelodie" questions Date: 31 Aug 1998 18:02:52 +0100 >What does "Kohoutek" mean? Kohoutek was a comet that reached perihelion in late 1973 - it was named (as is usual) after the Czechoslovakian astronomer that discovered it. It was expected to be really brilliant like the series of Great Comets that were seen in the nineteenth century, but unfortunately turned out to be a bit of a damp squid, though it did briefly become visible to the naked eye. My insider sources tell me that, like their first single, Kraftwerk intend to name their next album after the comet to celebrate Kohoutek's return in approximately 70,000 years time... ;-) jon alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik J" Subject: Re: (kw) Aphex Twin Date: 31 Aug 1998 12:13:26 PDT >I would also like to ask the opinion of the people on the list about >'Aphex Twin'. When I bought the Richard D. James album, there was a >sticker on it saying that no other electronic band sounded as organic >as Aphex Twin since Kraftwerk. I don't know what they meant by >organic, especially because I consider both bands to be quite cold >and 'inorganic', but that cd really reminded my of the melodic >Kraftwerk (Autobahn, Tour de France, ...). I think Aphex Twin is a >very original and interesting band, but I would like to hear your >opinion. I totally agree. Aphex is brilliant, and probably the most original and innovative artist around at the moment. But I can't really see him as close to Kraftwerk as you suggest. But, having said that, quite a few of the simple melodies on the "Richard D. James" album have a certain Kraftwerkian feel to them. But in my opinion his best album is "I Care Because You Do". That's just genius! But maybe this is quite off topic so I don't know if this is the right place to have this discussion... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anthony Glampson" Subject: (kw) Its More Fun To Compute (Remix) Date: 31 Aug 1998 21:01:08 +0100 Hi all, How many Remixes has there been of It's More Fun To Compute? It's just I have a mp3 of It's More Fun To Compute (Remix) that I downloaded about a year ago but I have no idea who remixed it. If anyone can help please Email me. Anthony Glampson # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Claudio Falaschini" Subject: RE: (kw) to all Argentina werkers Date: 31 Aug 1998 17:34:06 -0000 Hi > This is to all Argentina werkers: > Me and some other brazilian friends, we are considering the possibility to > go to your country to see KW live, but we would need further information I have fresh news about the conzert... possibly it will be on Monday 12 October. I heard them on the radio. But i'll check tomorrow morning with ticketmaster and i'll post here. By the moment... its only a rumour.. like all in KW Saludos Claudio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Its More Fun To Compute (Remix) Date: 31 Aug 1998 21:23:46 -0700 Anthony, There've been 248 remixes of IMFTC. ---------- Sent: 31 August 1998 13:01 Hi all, How many Remixes has there been of It's More Fun To Compute? It's just I have a mp3 of It's More Fun To Compute (Remix) that I downloaded about a year ago but I have no idea who remixed it. If anyone can help please Email me. Anthony Glampson # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) KW Concert dates Date: 01 Sep 1998 00:56:41 +0200 >16.10.98 Rio de Janeiro at Museum of Modern Art >17.10.98 Sao Paulo at Jockey Club 16.10? 17.10? does they have so many months in Brazil? and why wait a month from a date to another? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) GENERAL INFO Date: 01 Sep 1998 00:52:58 +0200 >sticker on it saying that no other electronic band sounded as organic as >Aphex Twin since Kraftwerk. I don't know what they meant by organic, well, when it comes to sounds and organic, I can only think to farts. >France, ...). I think Aphex Twin is a very original and interesting band, >but I would like to hear your opinion. well, you'll know it's a one-man-band. to me, *some* of the things he do were fine, the problem is that he record so much material, that statistically it should be. I mean, if you record whatever it happen for an year of more or less random playing, chances are that a good tune or two will come out. this is not to demean AT: I think his recording production is just a bit hypertrophic and it discourage me from buying his things, when I know I'll like say a song or two every album. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nick Lagwinski Subject: (kw) Hello / T-shirts Date: 31 Aug 1998 09:19:27 -0400 Hi. Proper introductions are in order. I'm new to the list and would just like to introduce myself to everyone (it said I should do so in the FAQ, so in the name of good taste I'm complying). My first real Kraftwerk experience was a few months ago at the Roskilde Festival, when I saw them from right in front of the stage. Until that point I hadn't heard much about Kraftwerk except little tidbits here and there, but after the show I became a rabid follower. There was one thing at the concert (actually, it was before) which really got my attention: the white-on-blue Autobahn t-shirts. Due to lack of cash (already on the first day of the festival. It's strange living on beer and white bread for almost a week), I couldn't get one, though. So I wanted to ask if anyone out there knows where you can buy one, either at stores around the Northeast Ohio area, or somewhere on the web. Any help would be greatly appreciated. nick -- a lost little robot # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Die Roboter FS Subject: (kw) kraftwerk video on auction Date: 31 Aug 1998 20:34:26 -0500 check this out: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=27904774 -- may u live 2 see 1999 Musique Non Stop. Techno Pop. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Claudio Falaschini" Subject: RE: (kw) KW Concert dates Date: 31 Aug 1998 22:48:00 -0000 > >16.10.98 Rio de Janeiro at Museum of Modern Art > >17.10.98 Sao Paulo at Jockey Club > 16.10? 17.10? does they have so many months in Brazil? and why wait a month from a date to another? I hope that this is only a joke from you.... a bad one. :) Anyway... day-month-year. Here in Argentina : 12/10 Obras Sanitarias (ahh.. 12 October ) Greetings Claudio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "james l. bloke" Subject: (kw) aphex twin Date: 31 Aug 1998 21:52:58 -0400 >>I would also like to ask the opinion of the people on the list about >>'Aphex Twin'. I think Aphex Twin is a very original and interesting >>band, >>but I would like to hear your opinion. >> >uneven imo...hes done some great stuff, dont get me wrong, but he's put >out alot of dogs..id recommend selected ambient works 1 and 2, his work >as polygon window, and some of the remixes he did for other people... I would also add "I care because you do..." some of his Caustic Window material and possibly "On" to the list. If anything though, get selected ambient works vol 1. Essential listening. I would agree that his work is very uneven. It bothers me a bit that he doesn't really spend a lot of time on anything and doesn't put much effort into anything (he has stated in interviews that he records 100s of songs a year and only ever releases anything to make money). I wouldn't call him genius but he definately has the potiential... james l bloke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik J. Eid" Subject: Re: (kw) Hello / T-shirts Date: 31 Aug 1998 23:09:10 >Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:19:27 -0400 >From: Nick Lagwinski >Subject: (kw) Hello / T-shirts > >[...] > >There was one thing at the concert (actually, it was before) which >really got my attention: the white-on-blue Autobahn t-shirts. [...] >So I wanted to ask if anyone out there knows where you can buy >one, either at stores around the Northeast Ohio area, or somewhere on >the web. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Go the Kraftwerk's website at http://www.kraftwerk.com/. Click the antenna to advance to the main menu. Choose the Klingklang item, then your language of choice. You'll be taken to the section of the tickets.de site that deals in merchandise and be presented with a selection of T-shirts, including the one with the autobahn symbol. Unfortunately, the prices are in Deutchmarks and I have no idea what the exchange rate is. Nor do I know of any way to get the T-shirts except through the tickets.de website. But it's a start. To others on the list: does anyone know if this "Klingklang Konsum Produkt GmbH" company plans on marketing any items other than T-shirts? I was disappointed to find no other memoribilia during this summer's tour and would really like to pick up a poster or two. (I wonder if Kraftwerk finally realized their own marketing potential after all this time!) . . \_ +\_ + o_-/ . O . \-_o -=/- . . . . \=// . ---------\_______ ||O ___.______ /* Erik Eid */ \____||L/\_____/ /* eeid@wwnet.net */_______________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/