From: David Barnard Subject: (kw) New Kraftwerk book... Date: 01 Sep 1998 08:01:59 +0100 The Kraftwerk biography book is available again at the end of this week apparently after the initial supplies sold out very quickly. I believe the UK Mail order firm Sight and Sound will have some copies available on +44 1473 443980 http://members.aol.com/SimBar1610/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Bryant Subject: (kw) Tribal Gathering '97 Date: 01 Sep 1998 09:22:26 +0100 Hi fellow Techno-minimalists, I saw Kraftwerk play live at Tribal Gathering in Luton (England) last year, they were great - obviously. The event was co-sponsored by MTV and (BBC) Radio 1, and while Radio 1 played a selection from the gig, they didn't play everything. Although it would be nice to think that Kraftwerk would release a live-CD from a recent concert, it is unlikely, but would Radio 1 own the rights to the Tribal Gathering gig, or do MTV have footage from this gig and if so, has anyone seen it? Apologies if this has been asked before, but I'm new to the list. ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION ** This message is intended only for the use of the person(s) ("the Intended Recipient") to whom it is addressed. It may contain information which is privileged and confidential within the meaning of applicable law. Accordingly any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message or any of its contents by any person other than the Intended Recipient may constitute a breach of civil or criminal law and is strictly prohibited. If you are not the Intended Recipient please contact the sender and dispose of this email as soon as possible. If in doubt contact the Tibbett & Britten Group Network Administration Department on 01707 391010 (UK). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 0625138143-0001@t-online.de (Armin Poecker) Subject: (kw) Robots 12" Date: 01 Sep 1998 10:27:16 +0200 > Does anybody know something about the following item? > A 12" without any indication about the track and the band that performs it. > Without sleeve, num cat, record label, etc. Just an "Unverkaeufliche / > Musterplatte. Der Verkauf der Platte Wird Wegen Verletzung / ST 33 / Des > Urheberrechts Strafrechtlich Verfolgt" that I think means "Promo copy. Not > for sale". Maybe a White label DJ format? > The records contains The Robots '78 12"version. Maybe you can give the complete tracklisting? The label details confirm that it is a german whitelabel testpressing/promo, but there's no '1978' 12" version of 'The Robots' or 'Die Roboter'. So my guess is that this is the promo edition of the german 1991 'Die Roboter' 12". When complete, this should come with a white sleeve with title/catalogue number sticker on it. Details should be: Robotnik (7.41)//Die Roboter (Edit) (3.43)/Robotronik (4.51) Kling Klang/Electrola 2 04325 (These numbers should be visible in the run-out groove somewhere) Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) aphex twin Date: 01 Sep 1998 11:59:06 +0100 (BST) I think his 1997 "Come To Daddy" is a very important work. He really delves deep into some very unpleasant current concerns in Britain, centred around sex & children (nasty video games, Bulgar murders, paedophilia). Very zeitgeist, something which Kraftwerk were good at, in the days when they made records ;-) I like the way James acheived the effect too: it's done mainly by electroacoustic treatments on vocal fragments, sonically mutating innocent phrases into something very sinister, and combining them with some nice electronics; I particularly like to Soft Cell-esque synth pop sleaze chords on "funny little man". [The title track is a bit of an OTT crowd pleaser, and ironically seems to have put a lot of people off the rest of the album] DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) KW @ amazon.com Date: 01 Sep 1998 12:46:28 +0100 amazon.com, the online bookstore, has an article about kraftwerk, which i would like to quote here: Master Kraftsmen On-the-comeback-trail techno pioneers Kraftwerk continue to explore a wired-in world "beyond nations and colors" as their impact expands beyond generations and genres. by Jerry McCulley "Today, people talk of cyberspace and virtual realities. You wear = gloves and masks and travel into a created reality. With Kraftwerk you don't need gloves or masks. We have always been virtual reality." --Ralf Hutter, cofounder of Kraftwerk=20 Kraftwerk is arguably the most influential pop-music group of the past two decades. The pundits will refer you to disco, hip-hop, techno, and synth-pop in general and a long, eclectic list--including David Bowie, the Orb, Afrika Bambaataa, Depeche Mode, Donna Summer, Grandmaster Flash, New Order, Laurie Anderson, Orbital, and Pet Shop Boys--in particular. In 1998 Kraftwerk packed up their portable Kling Klang studio and left their beloved D=FCsseldorf for a three-week jaunt = around the world. With virtually no promotional fanfare, the electro-pop pioneers played to ecstatic full houses from Tokyo to New York. Hutter once noted the irony of his band's international popularity: "In = Germany the young guys play American music, and we, in Hollywood, play Germanic music."=20 Kraftwerk (which translates in English as power plant) mainstays Ralf Hutter and Florian Schneider, the conservatory-trained sons of a physician and noted German architect, respectively, have never banked much on contemporary pop-music trends--or conventional wisdom. They've characterized their electronically generated, melodically elegant music as simply "regional music from the Rhine and Ruhr areas."=20 And Kraftwerk's oft-touted (and equally misinterpreted) sensibilities have typically been as concerned with technology as quaint as the bicycle as with those of the digital frontier. Computer World is balanced by Autobahn, "We Are the Robots" by "Tour de France." They = are, by their own admission, largely the products of their own particular time and place.=20 "Germany was destroyed not only physically but also culturally by the war," Hutter said in the late '70s. "Culturally, we became an American colony. But unlike Americans our age, we had no live music, no = musicians speaking to our generation. There were only the old, museum-type people playing things like opera. So we bought records and, because we = couldn't see people perform, we built up a special relationship to the records, to the sounds."=20 That fascination with sonic possibilities, tempered by healthy = interests in Stockhausen and Bauhaus technology-as-art philosophy, led trained flautist Schneider (who accepted the post of professor of performance = at the renowned Academy for Media Art and Design in Karlsruhe, Germany, in February 1998) and pianist Hutter to turn a workspace near the D=FCsseldorf train station into the Kling Klang Studios ("the German = word for sound," Hutter noted. "We call it the electronic garden because = it's continually regenerating") circa 1970, a place where Kraftwerk methodically explored what was then dubbed (often derisively) "progressive rock." But, noted Hutter, "Nobody wanted to play with us because we were just doing feedbacks and overtones and sounds and rhythms."=20 After three relatively unsuccessful experimental albums, Kraftwerk's fortunes changed with the international success of Autobahn. "We tried = a lot of complicated bullshit," said Schneider at the time, "where everybody tried to play as many notes as they can in a minute, but = after a while we came down to the essential thing. We see films and go out = and get optical impressions, and it becomes an acoustic film or acoustic poetry. Several years ago we were on tour, and it happened that we just came off the autobahn after a long ride, and when we came in to play, = we had this speed in our music. Our hearts were still beating fast."=20 "The album always starts from a concept: [Autobahn's follow-up] Radio-Activity came from the concept of the radio and all the = phenomenon of the airwaves," Schneider continued. "We are thrilled by that stuff, and the idea of that album was in our head for at least three years." Mere seconds in Kraftwerk's time frame.=20 From there, Kraftwerk explored the pleasures of modern rail transport (Trans-Europe Express), the technical symbiosis of The Man-Machine, digital ubiquity (Computer World), and harmony (Electric Cafe).=20 "We always had a strongly favorable reaction from black audiences in America," Hutter recalled, "even before house and techno. I remember somebody took us to a New York club when Trans-Europe Express was out, just as DJ culture was starting. This DJ was taking sections of "Metal on Metal" from Trans-Europe Express, but it went on for 10 minutes. The DJ had two copies of the record, and it would go on as long as people were dancing."=20 That influence continues unabated 20 years on. "Kraftwerk is the only artist whose entire catalog I own," says techno guru Moby. "They have this very nice combination of being beautifully melodic but futuristic-sounding and funky at the same time. You can listen to 20-year-old Kraftwerk records, and they still sound wonderful. They = were visionary. And even though lots of people cite them as influences, no one sounds like them. They are a pop band, and I find it ironic that there's such an antipop ethos within the electronic community, and yet everyone loves Kraftwerk."=20 "Electronics is beyond nations and colors," Hutter once said. "It = speaks a language everyone can understand. It expresses more than just stories in the way most conventional songs do. With electronics, everything is possible. The only limit is with the composer." Jerry McCulley is a native of North Hollywood, California, and has worked as a journalist, screenwriter, lyricist, and copywriter. His two lifelong passions are film music and advanced military aeronautics, which he doesn't find at all incompatible.=20 :) cheers, andreas ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH http://www.net-media.de Schubertstrasse 8 D-66111 Saarbruecken # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: RE: (kw) GENERAL INFO Date: 01 Sep 1998 11:16:05 +0200 > On Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:15:58 -0500 (CDT) Jose Corchado > writes: > > > > > > >I would also like to ask the opinion of the people on the list about > >'Aphex Twin'. I think Aphex Twin is a very original and interesting > >band, > >but I would like to hear your opinion. > > > uneven imo...hes done some great stuff, dont get me wrong, but he's put > out alot of dogs..id recommend selected ambient works 1 and 2, his work > as polygon window, and some of the remixes he did for other people... > > tom w > > np: lee scratch perry live at maritime hall 12/97 I love Aphex Twin. I wrote two articles about him in two Spanish magazines. One of them you can see at http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: RV: (kw) RV: Kraftwerk + Related Bands Trade Date: 01 Sep 1998 10:32:35 +0200 > Hi, > I've got a lot of KW LPs, 12" and CD to trade. Please e-mail me if you are > interested in it. I also have items of related bands. > The list is as follows: > I HAVE SOME MORE ITEMS: 7" KRAFTWERK "Radioactivity / Antenna" 1J00682119 CD Harmonia "Harmonia" 941015 CD Harmonia "De Luxe" 941021 CD Lilac Angels "I'm not afraid to ..." SPM-WWR-CD-0065 and many Klaus Schulze LPs and CD's. > LP Lilac Angels "I'm not afraid to ..." 0949/0211 > LP Neu! "Neu! 1" 1004 > CD Neu! "Neu! 1" 941025 > LP Neu! "Neu! 2" B1028 > CD Neu! "Neu! 2" 941026 > LP Neu! "Neu! '75" 1062W > CD Neu! "Neu! '75" 941030 > CD Neu! "Neu! 4" CTCD020 > CD Neu! "Neu! '72 live" CTCD045 > LP La Duesseldorf "Viva" RAD10 > CD La Duesseldorf "Viva" VIVA96 > CD La Duesseldorf "Individuellos" (Japan ed.) 156286 > CD La Duesseldorf "La Duesseldorf" 941107 > CD La Duesseldorf "La Duesseldorf" (new) ATJ2064 > CD La Duesseldorf "La! Neu?" CTCD051 > CD Michael Rother "Flammende herzen" 26102 > CD Michael Rother "Radio" 26112 > CD Michael Rother "Traumreisen" 26132 > CD Michael Rother "Lust" 26142 > CD Michael Rother "Fernwaerme" 26152 > CD Michael Rother "Suessherz und Tief" 26172 > CD Michael Rother "Esperanza" 26182 > CD Klaus Dinger "Neondian" ATJ2016 > CD Harmonia "Harmonia" (Japan ed.) POCP2387 > CD Harmonia "De Luxe" (Japan ed.) POCP2388 > CD Organisation "Tone Float" 941000 > CS Organisation "Tone Float" > CD Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk" 941001 > LP Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk" 6305058 > LP Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk" S6305058 > LP Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk 2" 6305117 > LP Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk 2" S6305117 > CD Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk 2" 941002 > LP Kraftwerk "Ralf & Florian" + pstr. 6305197 > LP Kraftwerk "Ralf & Florian" VEL2006 > CD Kraftwerk "Ralf & Florian" 941023 > 12" Kraftwerk "The Model / Computerlove" EMI5207 > 12" Kraftwerk "Remake - blue" KRAFT01 > 12" Kraftwerk "Remake - red" KRAFT02 > CD Kraftwerk "Autobahn" 7461532 > LP Kraftwerk "Computerwelt" 1C0644631T > CD Kraftwerk "Computerwelt" 7461302 > LP Kraftwerk "Trans-Europe Express" SN16301 > LP Kraftwerk "The Man Machine" SN16302 > CD Kraftwerk "Die Mensch Maschine" 7461312 > LP Kraftwerk "Radioactivity" SN16380 > CD Kraftwerk "RadioAktivitaet" 7461322 > LP Kraftwerk "Disco Best" SPRO8865 > CD Kraftwerk "The Mix" 7966502 > CD Kraftwerk "Schöne Neue Welt" 9401 > CD Kraftwerk "Robotronik Abermensch" 9758696884749 > CD Kraftwerk "Ultra Rare Tracks" CD123 > Book Kraftwerk "Man, Machine and Music" > CD Rheigold "Rheingold" 7948072 > LP Silver Apples "Silver Apples" KS3562 > LP Silver Apples "Silver Apples" OKS3562 > LP Silver Apples "Contact" KS3584 > 7" Silver Apples "Fractal Flow" 146914 > I specially need 12" Tour de France (Allemande), 12" The telephone call, > 12" Der Telefon Anruf, Computer World LP (Japanese language), Computer > World CD (first release), LP Computer World (Française language). > Please, let me know what is of interest and send me your trading list. > Thank you in advance. Automat und Telespiel DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: Re: (kw) Very Rare 12" by Kraftwerk Date: 01 Sep 1998 18:12:10 +0200 hi, you wrote to the list: > Does anybody know something about the following item? > A 12" without any indication about the track and the band that performs= it. > Without sleeve, num cat, record label, etc. Just an "Unverk=E4ufliche / > Musterplatte. Der Verkauf der Platte Wird Wegen Verletzung / ST 33 / De= s > Urheberrechts Strafrechtlich Verfolgt" that I think means "Promo copy. = Not > for sale". Maybe a White label DJ format? > The records contains The Robots '78 12"version. > it's a german white label promo 12" from 91. my copy has a plain white emi-cover without sticker (i've read that copies with a titlesticker on the cover exist). it contains 3 songs:a-side: robotnik (kling klang mix) 7:41 b-side: die roboter (7" version) 3:43, robotronik (kling klang mix) 4:51 (same tracklist as the standard german 12") regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: Re: (kw) Komputer live dates Date: 01 Sep 1998 17:55:44 +0200 hi, you wrote to the list: > These are the Komputer tour '98 dates: > > September 98 > - ------------ > > > Tue 29 Dusseldorf, Germany Stahlwerk Gallerie i will definately go to that show. maybe i'll meet some guys we all should know ;-) regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) The True and Living God Date: 01 Sep 1998 14:55:56 -0400 Aphex Twin is God. Period. I've never head music that's touched me so much, especially "SAW II." It's as if he took a measurement of my feelings. Tha brotha IS a genius! Peace. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 0625138143-0001@t-online.de (Armin Poecker) Subject: (kw) Discography Update Date: 01 Sep 1998 20:06:29 +0200 The discography at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/2648/discogra.html has some new scans of european concert posters from 1975-1997 and also a picture of the 1991 Ralf Huetter 3-D UK shop display on the 'ads and merchandise' page. Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) Musik Von Metropolis Date: 02 Sep 1998 11:28:17 +0200 Hi, There are a record ("Metropolis") by a band called Metropolis (cat. num. 941076). Does anybody knows if this item is related with KW? Another band called Tone Float have released a "Musik Von Tone Float" LP (cat. num. FLOAT1). Maybe an Organisation tribute? DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) Electric Music review Date: 02 Sep 1998 15:20:52 +0200 Hi everybody. Some tracks of the Karl Bartos' "Electric Music" LP without a doubt they will choke the coffee of Ralf Hütter. Ha ha! Bartos exploit the name of him and the Kraftwerk's, to sell something that does not have anything to do with. In this aspect, the wink of the cover and the 'vocoderian' greeting they seem something more than perverse sense of humor. Do you would buy this same record if it would be make for an unkown artist? DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: RE: (kw) KW Concert dates Date: 02 Sep 1998 12:40:51 +0200 > >16.10.98 Rio de Janeiro at Museum of Modern Art > >17.10.98 Sao Paulo at Jockey Club > > 16.10? 17.10? does they have so many months in Brazil? and why wait a > month from a date to another? Ha ha! The misunderstanding comes from in Latinoamerica (and Spain) we put the day before the month. Ha ha! DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) Aphex Twin Date: 02 Sep 1998 13:56:33 +0200 Somebody wrote: > I think Aphex Twin is a very original and interesting > band, but I would like to hear your opinion. Aphex Twin is not a band he is only a unique musician called Richard D. James that he is also known as Polygon Window, The Dice Man, AFX, Q-Chastic, Pacman, Powerpill, Caustic Window, Bluecalx, Soit PP, GAK, PCP, and maybe (who knows) Global Goon (Johnny Hawke). ;-) As well as KRAFTWERK, Richard D. James, owner of the Rephlex label, modifies his sintesizers and drum machines -KRAFTWERK their guitars, keyboards, flute, etc.- creating transfigured and altered sounds. The musician from Cornwall (in the southwest of the UK) says to be influenced by "Computer World", which similar rythms can be heard in the track "Mookid" from his "I Care Because You Do" (Warp Records, 1995) LP. The sleek analog synthesizers on "Fringerbib" (from "Richard D. James Album", Warp Records, 1996) could have been lifted from KRAFTWERK's "Neon Lights". And pre-"Autobahn" style melodies it listen in "4". Richard has been called "Mozart of the Ambient", and "Eno of the 90's". The duet formed by Richard D. James and Mike Paradinas (m-ziq, Kid Spatula, Jake Slazenger, Tusken Raiders, Gary Moscheles, Smooth Helmet (with Luke Vibert (Wagon Christ, Plug))), was given, by them, the name Mike & Rich, maybe a joking reference to "Ralph & Florian" LP. Their LP/CD/MC is titled "Expert Knob Twiddlers" (Rephlex, 1996). But RDJ has other many musical influences like Esplendor Geométrico (the Spanish industrial band) or Philip Glass, who recorded a track with Richard ("Icct Hedral" included on "Donkey Rhubarb"CDs). I wrote two articles about him in two Spanish magazines (SELF and Das Kinetik Produkt). One of them you can see at http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/clubbing.htm For non-Spanish speaking readers, please use a free translation service, such as the one in http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate I cannot afford to do a translation to English. Automat und Telespiel DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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Armin Poecker wrote: > Maybe you can give the complete tracklisting? > The label details confirm that it is a german whitelabel > testpressing/promo, but > there's no '1978' 12" version of 'The Robots' or 'Die Roboter'. > So my guess is that this is the promo edition of the german 1991 'Die > Roboter' > 12". When complete, this should come with a white sleeve with > title/catalogue > number sticker on it. > > Details should be: > > Robotnik (7.41)//Die Roboter (Edit) (3.43)/Robotronik (4.51) > Kling Klang/Electrola 2 04325 (These numbers should be visible in the > run-out > groove somewhere) No, because on the record above there are no label reference, no number catalogue, no tracks list, no titles, or other details than promo edition words stamped on both labels. It is a (white label) promo with no picture cover. DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Bryant Subject: (kw) Aphex Twin Date: 02 Sep 1998 15:02:41 +0100 Like most Ambient music, Aphex Twin albums are really "mood" music. I have a few Aphex Twin albums and would recommend Selected Ambient Works (85-92), this album is almost wholly excellent, where others that I own or have heard are more mixed in quality. p.s. Chicago band Big Black (Steve Albini) did an excellent cover version of "The Model", it was available on 7" vinyl as a double A-side with "He's a Whore" - I no longer own this record and would like to know if anyone knows whether or not it is available on CD? Thanx P ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION ** This message is intended only for the use of the person(s) ("the Intended Recipient") to whom it is addressed. It may contain information which is privileged and confidential within the meaning of applicable law. Accordingly any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message or any of its contents by any person other than the Intended Recipient may constitute a breach of civil or criminal law and is strictly prohibited. If you are not the Intended Recipient please contact the sender and dispose of this email as soon as possible. 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sigurd Gulliksrud Subject: Re: (kw) Electric Music review Date: 02 Sep 1998 17:07:20 +0200 (MET DST) On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Andr=E9s Garc=EDa Aparicio wrote: > something more than perverse sense of humor. Do you would buy this same > record if it would be=20 > make for an unkown artist? It's a brilliant album so, yepp, I would have bought it anyway. > DER AUTOMAT =AE http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~sigurdgu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (kw) Bussy's Book, New KW BOOK? Date: 02 Sep 1998 09:45:00 -0600 On Wed, Aug 26, 1998 at 07:43:35PM -0700, Eric Knight wrote: > Ihave been looking for a copy of Pascal Bussy's Book. I have used the ISBN > Number given on the FAQ with no luck. Ear/Rational Music has it -- see http://www.xmission.com/~ear/k.html: Kraftwerk - Computerwelt [EMI46130:fo] EMI Deutschland $25.25 Kraftwerk - Concert Classics [77312:oz] Ranch Life $15.25 Kraftwerk - Die Mensch-Maschine [EMI46131:fo] EMI Deutschland $25.25 Kraftwerk - Man Machine BOOK [0946719098:o] Krankenvogel $18.50 Kraftwerk - Radio Aktivitat [EMI46132:fo] EMI Deutschland $25.25 Kraftwerk - The Mix [EMI96650:f] EMI Deutschland $25.25 -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: Re: (kw) Bussy's Book, New KW BOOK? Date: 02 Sep 1998 12:16:53 -0400 (EDT) > Kraftwerk - Man Machine BOOK [0946719098:o] Krankenvogel $18.50 Ralf and Florian's comments ("You should throw it away, it's trash") aside, is the book worth it? How is it on pictures? (compared to what's in the Autobahn and later CD booklets and all those found on the web) thanks, -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) "Machines" - the truth at last? Date: 02 Sep 1998 19:47:29 +0000 I was pretty sure from the start that the 'Machines' festival (which was allegedly to take place at the Royal Festival Hall) was a hoax. It seems I was wrong. I've just received a catalogue from CD mail order company & record label Cold Spring, which includes the following: "... we were offered a Cold Spring night as part of an electronics [sic] festival in London in October. The month-long festival, part sponsored by the Royal Festival Hall, was also set to include Genesis P-Orridge, and also Kraftwerk and Laurie Anderson. Kraftwerk pulled their show which apparently meant some of the big sponsors had cooled to the idea of the festival. "Eventually the organisers contacted us again, and we've now learned that the whole festival had been cancelled, but will now be staged March 1999, and apparently is to be sponsored by The Wire magazine. More news in the Autumn newsletter, but we hope it will feature Genesis P-Orridge's first UK live performance since his exile (now Scotland Yard have dropped all charges), the debut live performance from Novatron, plus one other Cold Spring act to be announced." ... but apparently no Kraftwerk... K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) There is no Kraftwerk but Kraftwerk Date: 02 Sep 1998 19:39:24 +0000 Adam Schefflan wrote: >Aphex Twin is God. Period. I've never head music that's touched me so >much, especially "SAW II." Selected Ambient Works II is certainly my favourite so far. Very bleak & quite unique (the only things which subsequently reminded me of it was hearing some ancient electronic music by Otto Luening!). David Davis wrote: > I think his 1997 "Come To Daddy" is a very important work. I'm afraid I disagree; I saw little new in it (sorry). >electronics; I particularly like to Soft Cell-esque synth pop sleaze >chords on "funny little man". "Come on little funny man! Come on! Come on!" That made me laugh. lbo wrote: >this is not to demean AT: I think his recording production is just a bit >hypertrophic I would say his production tends to be "shoddy". I had to look up "hypertrophy" at Webster (http://work.ucsd.edu:5141/cgi-bin/http_webster). It's a mellifluous word. "A condition of overgrowth or excessive development of an organ* or part; -- the opposite of {atrophy}." K *Fnarr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) There is no Kraftwerk but Kraftwerk Date: 02 Sep 1998 19:55:28 +0100 (BST) On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Kevin Busby wrote: > David Davis wrote: > > I think his 1997 "Come To Daddy" is a very important work. > > I'm afraid I disagree; I saw little new in it (sorry). > > >electronics; I particularly like to Soft Cell-esque synth pop sleaze > >chords on "funny little man". > > "Come on little funny man! Come on! Come on!" That made me laugh. I think what made it especially good for me is that I am currently working in a Music Department which does a lot of electroacoustic music, using some "cutting edge" computer techniques... but the music they make is rubbish,ha ha! However, I saw Richard D James use these very same new electroacoustic techniques in "Come To Daddy", and I found that exciting: I really like the way he mutated innocent phrases into something sinister & sexual, purely by altering the sound. But very few other people I know seem to like it! DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) new KRAFTWERK book Date: 02 Sep 1998 21:50:37 +0100 the book is out in a couple of weeks time..if this list so wishes , and if the author agrees ,i could put out a couple of extracts ...let me know. BTW, does anyone know the cheapest way to get to the 3 KW gigs from london and back?no sarcastic answers , please.maybe someone on this list works for an airline.... chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RHC Subject: RE: (kw) new KRAFTWERK book Date: 02 Sep 1998 23:05:40 +0100 At 21:50 02-09-98 +0100, you wrote: >and back?no sarcastic answers , please.maybe someone on this list works for >an airline.... >chris www.travelweb.com -Rene ICQ UIN 2193840 A Staff Member of Last Sigh Magazine For Underground Music http://www.waste.org/lastsigh # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) There is no Kraftwerk but Kraftwerk Date: 02 Sep 1998 22:53:10 +0100 david davis: > However, I saw Richard D James use these very same new electroacoustic >techniques in "Come To Daddy", and I found that exciting: > > I really like the way he mutated innocent phrases into something sinister >& sexual, purely by altering the sound. have you ever listened to Whitehouse? (i suspect Kevin B might have) jon alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Minor update @ kraftwerk.com Date: 03 Sep 1998 10:30:22 +0200 (DFT) kraftwerk.com/konzert3.html displays now the dates for the South American concerts in October. The worldmap image hasn't changed, though. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) sheet muzik Date: 03 Sep 1998 10:42:20 +0000 > so whats the story with kw sheet music? i ask because a lady i know > is in marthas vineyard, ma. and found autobahn sheet music with a lovely > cover (the original album cover art) and she was so kind as to send this > document to me. it looks like its from the 70's/ early 80's. > it does not include the lyrics, just the notation for the music. Is it the full song, or just the single edit? > any information/thoughts regarding this document , or any other kw > sheet music would be appreciated. Sheet music for "Autobahn" was also released in England by Famous Chappell Ltd., catalogue number 11 10653 F. It has a live picture from 1972 (?) on the frontpage, and it features the UK single edit of "Autobahn" (3 pages). There is also sheet music for "The Model" (EMI, no catalogue number, full song). Sheet music for "Komentenmelodie 2" and "Tour de France" is also said to exist, but I don't have more details. > ps-so who/what is mr. i. mouse? It's the company of Kraftwerk's (former?) US agent. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Krankenvogel? (was: Re: (kw) Bussy's Book, New KW BOOK?) Date: 03 Sep 1998 11:11:41 +0000 > Ear/Rational Music has it -- see http://www.xmission.com/~ear/k.html: > > Kraftwerk - Man Machine BOOK [0946719098:o] Krankenvogel $18.50 Who or what is Krankenvogel?? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Angry Duesseldorfers Date: 03 Sep 1998 11:17:42 +0000 At 10:53 pm +0100 2/9/98, Jon Alsbury wrote: >have you ever listened to Whitehouse? (i suspect Kevin B might have) Implying _what_ exactly John?! :-) Actually, no. They're one of those bands you hear _about_ for years and years but never actually _hear_ (perhaps not surprising, as I got the impression their lyrics made Throbbing Gristle sound like Abba). I have heard Blackhouse, the putative Christian couterblast. They're fun. Ob. Kraftwerk: what's their most aggressive musical moment? 'Stratovarius'? K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Keyboards on Kraftwerk Date: 03 Sep 1998 13:48:15 +0200 (DFT) The September issue of Keyboards (US edition) features a brief review of Kraftwerk's recent concert in San Francisco. It is also stated that a new Kraftwerk album is believed to be scheduled for the fall. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ctzero@aol.com Subject: (kw) Showroom Dummies mcmg mix Date: 03 Sep 1998 08:27:39 EDT Hello everyone! I have a question regarding the mcmg mix of Showroom Dummies. That bit about "Roger, that was a beautiful job you guys...and don't forget the one in the command module." Does anyone know which Apollo flight that was taken from? Thanks! David # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Gossip Date: 03 Sep 1998 14:47:47 +0200 (DFT) According to the September issue of Prinz (Duesseldorf edition), members of Kraftwerk have been spotted in the local discotheques "Unique" and "Poison Club". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) John Foxx's Favorites (Not so off topic) Date: 03 Sep 1998 15:58:53 +0100 Got this on the John Foxx mailinglist: The August '98 issue of Future Music Magazine has John Foxx's all-time=20 top ten favourites listed (right next to Detroit Techno king Juan=20 Atkins' top ten)=2E 1=2E Neon Lights- Kraftwerk 2=2E The Pearl- Harold Budd and Brian Eno 3=2E Tomorrow Never Knows- The Beatles 4=2E Warm Leatherette- The Normal=20 5=2E Switched On Bach- Walter Carlos =20 6=2E I Feel Love- Giorgio Moroder and Donna Summer 7=2E Voodoo Ray- A Guy Called Gerald 8=2E Humanoid- Stakker 9=2E Phaedra- Tangerine Dream 10=2E Blue Monday- New Order Well he's got good taste=2E=2E=2E Regards/Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Angry Duesseldorfers Date: 03 Sep 1998 12:07:59 EDT KW's most aggressive moment must undoubtedly lie somewhere within the grooves of the TEE album. Does anyone know why it turned out to be so... gothic ? (esp. after the sweetly innocuous opener) The dynamics in the vocals on Schaufensterpuppen really scare me ! K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nebulous@erols.com Subject: Re: (kw) Angry Duesseldorfers Date: 03 Sep 1998 14:14:53 wrote: >The dynamics in the vocals on Schaufensterpuppen really scare me ! What I like to do is play the different language versions of that song back-to-back to really take notice of the intricacies and variation of those dynamics from one version to the next. My brother said it was scary too when he first heard it, so I think you're onto something there. :o) Showroom Dummies Schaufensterpuppen Les Mannequins -- Scott nebulous@erols.com #Kraftwerk, IRC's DALnet # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Date: 03 Sep 1998 22:40:29 +0200 (DFT) Has anyone here ever made any experiences (good or bad ones) with Kraftwerk dealer Mikael Edenholt from Sweden? If so, could you please mail me privately? Thanks in advance, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Walton" Subject: (kw) White Label 12" Date: 03 Sep 1998 22:55:25 +0100 Hi all I have got my hands on a Kraftwerk White Label 12". Side A contains "The Telephone Call" 12" Version although is labelled as "House Phone" Side B contains "House Phone" and "Der Telefon Anruf" 7" German Version but is labelled as "The Telephone Call" 12" Version and Der Telefon Anruf" 7" German Version. It is in a plain white carboard sleeve and has a number ethched in the inner ring of the vinyl. The number is 12 EMIX 5602. Has anybody got any more info of what this is/where it is from or value etc. Thanks Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: (kw) Klaus Date: 04 Sep 1998 07:35:54 +1000 Sorry to the list. Yes a have got your package Klaus Every mail I send to you bounces back undelivered. ?! Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew T \[K_303\]" Subject: Re: (kw) Komputer Date: 02 Sep 1998 23:44:57 PDT Ok, I've been to quiet these past months so heres sum stuff. >Komputer repeat the name of "Bill Gates" vocoderized like on "The Man >Machine", spread out the gold mine of The Model in The World Of Tomorrow >(Theme) and Valentina, >they change Computer Love by Komputer Pop, and they copy the riff of the >great Tour de France in Looking Down On London. Maybe does Komputer ask for >to be sued for plagiarism? I think the Komputer's music has remained >obsolete nothing else to be born. As many of you know, before Komputer was Komputer they were called Fortran 5. I recently found one of their albums (hard to find for some reason) and its amazing that they weren't totally ripping off KW. It's what you would call a basic "electronica" album, nothing very amazing here. It seems their switch to KW-ish musika has gained them much popularity so I guess it was a good career move for them... Has anyone checked out The Crystal Method's "Comin' Back" video?? Its like a color version of the KW b/w TEE video but its shot in 2x speed so it uses that front of the train over the tracks cam but its speedy. There are a few more things which make it a bit more unique (and better, though the music could use some work) but I guess you may say this is a little tribute. Also there seems to be a recent abundance of the 1990 re-issue of the TEE single (2 versions of TEE then the showroom dummies and its french counterpart, les mannequis) in 2 of my local music stores which seems very odd. When I bought mine they were unloading a whole bunch of them and the clerks were remarking something about "these guys" but I couldn't hear them. I can't remember what I originally wanted to state at the beginning of this message so I'll just stop my babbling here.. NP: Front 242, Im rhythmus bleiben from live 1998 in DC regards, Andrew from ze computer welt, www.angelfire.com/nj/groovethang ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "kw robot" Subject: (kw) KRAFTWERK SAMPLES!! Date: 03 Sep 1998 07:55:09 PDT Check out the newly updated samples on this page. http://www.angelfire.com/nj/jschabado. Please e-mail me your comments on the page. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Corchado Subject: (kw) OMD Date: 03 Sep 1998 15:52:16 -0500 (CDT) I found this in the OMD biography at the official OMD web site, http://www.omd.uk.com/ : "Humphreys and McCluskey christened themselves VCLXI after a valve diagram on the sleeve of Kraftwerk's Radioactivity album" Although probably most of the members of the list already knew it, I didn't, and found it quite amusing. Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: weldelectronica@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: (kw) Hello / T-shirts Date: 03 Sep 1998 22:38:43 -0400 what kraftwerk videos are out there?????? anyone.....anyone????? cheers weld # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: RE: (kw) Komputer live dates Date: 02 Sep 1998 17:24:07 +0200 Fecha: martes 1 de septiembre de 1998 20:48 donald werner wrote: > hi, > > you wrote to the list: > > > > These are the Komputer tour '98 dates: > > > > September 98 > > - ------------ > > > > > > Tue 29 Dusseldorf, Germany Stahlwerk Gallerie > > i will definately go to that show. maybe i'll meet some guys we all > should know ;-) > > regards > werner Congratulations. Please let us know how it was the concert. ;-) DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Very Rare 12" by Kraftwerk Date: 03 Sep 1998 11:00:35 +0200 > hi, > you wrote to the list: > > Does anybody know something about the following item? > > A 12" without any indication about the track and the band that performs > it. > > Without sleeve, num cat, record label, etc. Just an "Unverkäufliche / > > Musterplatte. Der Verkauf der Platte Wird Wegen Verletzung / ST 33 / Des > > Urheberrechts Strafrechtlich Verfolgt" that I think means "Promo copy. > Not > > for sale". Maybe a White label DJ format? > > The records contains The Robots '78 12"version. > > > it's a german white label promo 12" from 91. my copy has a plain white > emi-cover without sticker (i've read that copies with a titlesticker on > the cover exist). it contains 3 songs:a-side: robotnik (kling klang > mix) 7:41 > b-side: die roboter (7" version) 3:43, robotronik (kling klang mix) > 4:51 (same tracklist as the standard german 12") > regards > werner I am not sure. My copy do not say nothing about any record label EMI or whatever. On this record there are no label reference, no number catalogue, no tracks list, no titles, or other details than promo edition words stamped on both labels. It is a (white label) promo with no picture cover. DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Robots 12" Date: 04 Sep 1998 15:31:34 +0200 > > > Does anybody know something about the following item? > > > A 12" without any indication about the track and the band that performs it. > > > Without sleeve, num cat, record label, etc. Just an "Unverkaeufliche > > > / Musterplatte. Der Verkauf der Platte Wird Wegen Verletzung / ST 33 / > Des Urheberrechts Strafrechtlich Verfolgt" that I think means "Promo > > copy. Not for sale". Maybe a White label DJ format? > > > The records contains The Robots '78 12"version. > > Armin Poecker wrote: > > > there's no '1978' 12" version of 'The Robots' or 'Die Roboter'. Yes. There was a 1978 12" version of Die Roboter German 12" single that contains Die Roboter/Das Model/Neonlicht/TEE, its num. cat. is KlingKlang 45176. Really there no was 1978 The Robots UK 12" single. But not one of them coincide with the 12" which we are talking about. Cheers! DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) NEW RECORDS! Kraftwerk + Related Bands Trade Date: 04 Sep 1998 15:36:58 +0200 Hello, I have got two items of "The Complete Kraftwerkers Guide To Bootleg CD's (So far!)" published by the Aktivität fanzine team. ;-) Tell me if you are interesed. I can sell or swap for any KW produkt. I can offer you a lot of KW LPs, 12" and CD to trade. Please e-mail me if you are interested in it. I also have items of related bands. The list is as follows: KRAFTWERK "Radioactividad / Antenna" Vertigo 1J00682119 Spanish 7" single CD Organisation "Tone Float" Germanofon 941000 CS Organisation "Tone Float" LP Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk" Philips S6305058 original release 1970 (only for sale, price £125, 167$) LP Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk" Philips 6305058 reissued 1975 CD Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk" Germanofon 941001 LP Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk 2" Philips S6305117 original release 1971 (only for sale, price £125, 167$) LP Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk 2" Philips 6305117 reissued 1975 CD Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk 2" Germanofon 941002 LP Kraftwerk "Ralf & Florian" + pstr. Philips 6305197D LP Kraftwerk "Ralf & Florian" VEL2006 (USA) CD Kraftwerk "Ralf & Florian" Germanofon 941023 12" Kraftwerk "The Model / Computerlove" EMI12EMI5207 1981 different sleeve (2 copies) CD Kraftwerk "Autobahn" EMI CDP7461532 current European CD LP Kraftwerk "Computerwelt" 1C0644631T Spain (2 copies) CD Kraftwerk "Computerwelt" EMI CDP564 7461302 LP Kraftwerk "Trans-Europe Express" SN16301 LP Kraftwerk "The Man Machine" SN16302 (2 copies) CD Kraftwerk "Die Mensch Maschine" Elektrola 7461312 Germany LP Kraftwerk "Radioactivity" SN16380 (2 copies) CD Kraftwerk "RadioAktivitaet" EMI CDP564 7461322 Germany LP Kraftwerk "Disco Best" SPRO8865 (2 copies) CD Kraftwerk "The Mix" Kling Klang 568 7966502 CD Kraftwerk "Schöne Neue Welt (Remix-Remodel)" Ping Pong 9401 (includes Housephone/Telephone call 7" remix) CD Kraftwerk "Robotronik Abermensch" 9758696884749 CD Kraftwerk "Ultra Rare Tracks" CD123 Book Kraftwerk "Man, Machine and Music" CD Harmonia "Harmonia" 941015 CD Harmonia "De Luxe" 941021 CD Harmonia "Harmonia" (Japan ed.) POCP2387 CD Harmonia "De Luxe" (Japan ed.) POCP2388 CD Harmonia 76 "Tracks & Traces" 160817 LP Lilac Angels "I'm not afraid to ..." 0949/0211 CD Lilac Angels "I'm not afraid to ..." SPM-WWR-CD-0065 LP Neu! "Neu! 1" 1004 CD Neu! "Neu! 1" 941025 LP Neu! "Neu! 2" B1028 CD Neu! "Neu! 2" 941026 LP Neu! "Neu! '75" 1062W CD Neu! "Neu! '75" 941030 CD Neu! "Neu! 4" CTCD020 CD Neu! "Neu! '72 live" CTCD045 LP La Duesseldorf "Viva" RAD10 CD La Duesseldorf "Viva" VIVA96 CD La Duesseldorf "Individuellos" (Japan ed.) 156286 CD La Duesseldorf "La Duesseldorf" 941107 CD La Duesseldorf "La Duesseldorf" (new) ATJ2064 CD La Duesseldorf "La! Neu?" CTCD051 CD Michael Rother "Flammende herzen" 26102 CD Michael Rother "Radio" 26112 CD Michael Rother "Radio" (+ 6 new tracks) 26112 (2 copies) CD Michael Rother "Traumreisen" 26132 (2 copies) CD Michael Rother "Lust" 26142 (2 copies) CD Michael Rother "Fernwaerme" 26152 (2 copies) CD Michael Rother "Suessherz und Tief" 26172 (2 copies) CD Michael Rother "Esperanza" 26182 CD Michael Rother "Sterntaler" SPV08426122 CD Michael Rother "Katzenmusik" SPV08426162 CD Klaus Dinger "Neondian" ATJ2016 CD Rheingold "Rheingold" 7948072 CD Cluster "Cluster '71" 8703055 CD Cluster "Japan 1996 live" CTCD055 LP Kluster "Zwei Osterei" STUDIO512 CD Kluster "Eruption" MT367 CD Moebius/Plank/Neumeier "Zero Set" SKY3085 CD Moebius/Plank "Rastakraut Pasta" SKY32/105 LP Silver Apples "Silver Apples" KS3562 LP Silver Apples "Silver Apples" OKS3562 LP Silver Apples "Contact" KS3584 7" Silver Apples "Fractal Flow" 146914 LP Mouse On Mars "Iaora Tahiti" (Wolfgang Flür colaboration) PURE48 LP Mouse On Mars "Saturday Night World" PURE51 LP Mouse On Mars "Autoditacker" PURE70 LP Mouse On Mars "Instrumentals" SONIG01 and many Klaus Schulze & Tangerine Dream, Roedelius, Conrad Schnitzler LPs and CD's. I specially looking for 12" Tour de France (German version EMI 1652046), 12" Tour de France (Françoise Kevorkian remix) / Tour de France (version) / Tour de France (7") EMI12EMI5413 (1984) UK 12" single 12" Tour de France (Françoise Kevorkian remix) / Tour de France (version) / Tour de France (7") EMI2003776 (1984) German 12" single UK CD single Robotronik / Robotnik / Robotronik (single version) CD EM192 UK CD single Robotronik / Robotnik / The Robots (different sleeve) CD EM192 UK CD single Radioactivity (Françoise Kevorkian 7" & 12" remixes) / Radioactivity (William Orbit 12" remix) CD EM2012045522 USA CD single The Robots (single edit) / Robotnik (Kling Klang mix) / Robotronik (Kling Klang mix) CDs Elektra 966526-2 German CD single Robotnik / Die Roboter (single edit) / Robotronik EMI2043256 12" The telephone call EMI 5602, 12" Der Telefon Anruf EMI 2016336, Computer World LP (Japanese language) Toshiba EMS 91030, Computer World CD (first release) Elektra 93549-2, Computer World LP (Française language) Pathé-Marconi 26070, Please, let me know what is of interest and send me your trading list. Thank you in advance. Automat und Telespiel DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Angry Duesseldorfers Date: 04 Sep 1998 09:52:41 -0400 Ob. Kraftwerk: what's their most aggressive musical moment? 'Stratovarius'? it is Metal On Metal. That is my opinion. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Bodystyler on Kraftwerk Date: 04 Sep 1998 16:27:45 +0200 (DFT) The September/October issue of the German magazine Bodystyler contains a review of the recent Kraftwerk world tour, as well as the fourth part of a retrospective Kraftwerk article and an interview with Komputer. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Folkvord" Subject: (kw) Introducing Glenn Date: 04 Sep 1998 17:36:41 +0200 Hello everybody, I'm new to the list (subscribed today) so please allow me to introduce = myself briefly. My name is Glenn Folkvord, I'm 24 years old and live in Norway, were I = am an advertising and website designer for a small electronics company. = I have been a Kraftwerk fan since 1989, when I bought my first CD player = and Trans Europe Express as my second CD. I was lucky enough to attend = the Kraftwerk tour of 1991 as they played in Oslo. A wonderful = experience, really cool for me. Now I hope they will release something = new soon. To complete the introduction, it would not be fair to leave out my main = musical interest, which is Jean-Michel Jarre. I am the chief editor of = the Norwegian JMJ fanclub, you can surf to www.jmjfkn.com to see more = about it. Some of you might know me from the Jarre mailing list if = you're on it. I am subscribing to the digest because I mainly want to collect info on = Kraftwerk, so you wont hear much from me. Jarre forever! (and Kraftwerk) Glenn Jean-Michel Jarre Fanclub Norway Seljeveien 18, 2022 Gjerdrum Email glenn@jmjfkn.com Go to www.jmjfkn.com Since/etablert 1993 Publisher of IMAGES magazine Organiser of the international JMJ tribute album # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: acidtest Subject: (kw) Tribal Gathering Date: 05 Sep 1998 04:28:37 +1200 Anyone got a decent quality recording of the KW appearance at the Tribal Gathering last year? shaun. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Komputer live dates Date: 04 Sep 1998 16:58:17 +0100 how do they have the nerve to play in dusseldorf? chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John A. Kloepper" Subject: (kw) MP3's galore Date: 04 Sep 1998 13:50:34 -0700 Thought i'd share the good news and spread the word that someone has upload almost a dosen different Kraftwerk albums to an FTP site. The IP# is 207.229.132.244 the login name is mp3z the password is mp3z Since this guy is big into kaftwerk, maybe this is a good place to upload to as a depository. -J # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Komputer Date: 04 Sep 1998 22:54:38 +0200 >As many of you know, before Komputer was Komputer they were called >Fortran 5. I recently found one of their albums (hard to find for some nothing to do with System 7? anyway, I bought an old F5 album and it's maynly uncreative rumorism... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) smoke Date: 04 Sep 1998 22:35:47 +0200 do kraftwerk members smoke? do I remember well that in tee video one of them light a cigarette? (please no polemics about smoking. personally I don't smoke but this is a personal affair for everyone). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Angry Duesseldorfers Date: 04 Sep 1998 22:50:58 +0200 >The dynamics in the vocals on Schaufensterpuppen really scare me ! yes, right! I listened to the english version, Showroom dummies, and then to Shaufensterpuppen, and I really asked to myself what did they had. when they sing german version they are more, how to say, crude? I prefer german versions, but then I am sure that if they sang only in german, or mainly in german, then it would be different. I prefer they way it is, mainly english with some german versions for true fans... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) GENERAL INFO Date: 04 Sep 1998 22:32:10 +0200 ><farts.>> > >How insightful hey fellow, this was english humor, ok? it's that I'm not english, so I have to practice a bit. ><should be. I mean, if you record whatever it happen for an year of more >or less random playing, chances are that a good tune or two will come >out.>> > >Oh yes I'm sure this is the reason...your logic is so solid. And I'm >sure it's all random playing as you say. > ><bit hypertrophic and it discourage me from buying his things>> > >So it's all random playing but his production is hypertrophic? Yeah, >ok, whatever. Stick to Kraftwerk. hey fellow. now you cool down. you may have tastes different from mines but I'll not write silly things about it. so please don't you. now, I guess I used the words "random" and "hypertrofic" in the right way, but who know, maybe I was wrong. so I'll explain again. I know that Richard-Aphex Twin spent a lot of times in the studio playing and recording electronic music. God bless him and send others like him. that said, if you spent a lot of time in a studio chances are that you will let things to go for their own at a while, and I think this is what he is doing. now, this is experimentalism and I'm glad somebody experiment. but, of course, the result of experiments could be good and could be not so good. in my opinion, Richard is a bit too indulgent when screening what he publish. matter of tastes, and I don't discuss if somebody likes it: I'm glad for the listener. but if I have to buy an album of which I'll enjoy say 20% of the material, well, I admire the courage of the experimenter but I'll prefer to buy something else. so I see no contradictions when saying he do random music and that his production is hypertrofic. also, I see nothing wrong in sticking with Kraftwerk. they are a good group. they are not hypertrofic as I wish they to be, but I have to say that of every album they put out I liked 100% of it. money very well spent. when you'll start gaining your money by yourself maybe this will mean something to you. now, as another listie says, peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Komputer Date: 05 Sep 1998 00:16:48 EDT On Fri, 04 Sep 1998 22:54:38 +0200 lbo writes: > >>As many of you know, before Komputer was Komputer they were called >>Fortran 5. I recently found one of their albums (hard to find for >some > >nothing to do with System 7? > thats steve hillage...and damn good... tom w np: system 7 - 777 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 0625138143-0001@t-online.de (Armin Poecker) Subject: (kw) Roboter 12" Date: 05 Sep 1998 12:16:55 +0200 > > there's no '1978' 12" version of 'The Robots' or 'Die Roboter'. > > Yes. There was a 1978 12" version of Die Roboter German 12" single that > contains Die Roboter/Das Model/Neonlicht/TEE, its num. cat. is KlingKlang > 45176. Really there no was 1978 The Robots UK 12" single. But > not one of them coincide with the 12" which we are talking about. This 12" has the regular 7" Edit of 'Die Roboter' 1978 at 4:20 - so no 12" Version here. The fact that it's on a 12" doesn't make the 7" Edit into a long version. If the 12" you have is the german 1991 12" promo, you should be able to see the following number stamped into the run-out groove of the record: A side: 2043256-A1 B side: 2043256-B3 Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: (kw) Impossible to find!!!!(Bussys Book) Date: 05 Sep 1998 06:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Yhanks to those who answerd my last post about trying to find Bussy's Book in the USA.... With no luck at all, I still do not have in my possession a copy of the book that Florian referred to as "SHIT" :-) Anyone else know where I could obtain a copy??? Thanks ! ******************************************************************************** * June 11th, 1998. State Theater * Eric Knight * * KRAFTWERK * ericknig@sprynet.com * * I was there, I will Never Forget * * ******************************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark reed Subject: (kw) Concert Classics Date: 16 Aug 1998 21:38:55 +0100 Does anybody have a venue/date/accurate tracklisting for this CD? -- mark reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) Concert Classics Date: 05 Sep 1998 16:14:38 +0100 (BST) On Sun, 16 Aug 1998, mark reed wrote: > Does anybody have a venue/date/accurate tracklisting for this CD? The best we can appear to come up with is: America, 1975 (Autobahn Tour) 1. Kometenmelodie 2. Autobahn 3. Kling Klang 4. Tanzmusik [fades out half way!] DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mallade" <0732240d01@cplus.es> Subject: (kw) We are the robots..... Date: 05 Sep 1998 20:23:43 +0200 I was watching TV and... "now after the request of Juan Prieto, we'll play a Kraftwerk video." Wow!! I guess this Juan Prieto is OUR Juan Prieto-Musik, yesss? That was nearly too kul!!! Gracias Juan. :-) Anyway the video was "The Robots" 1991 version--excellent image&sound quality, of course, being a digital/satellite/whatever network. And yay I taped it!! :-) Well great. Now to find that programme's email addy & request some Download & Skinny Puppy myself ;-) Fermin mallade@abonados.cplus.es http://members.tripod.com/~mallade # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) Concert Classics Date: 05 Sep 1998 18:34:26 +0500 On 05-Sep-98, David Davis wrote: > The best we can appear to come up with is: > America, 1975 (Autobahn Tour) >1. Kometenmelodie >2. Autobahn >3. Kling Klang >4. Tanzmusik [fades out half way!] Just picked up a copy yesterday and Track 3 sounds more like "Tongebirge" to me- but I'll have to listen to it again. Either way it's nice. And I agree that it would be surprising for an album like this to be an official release, considering the cheesy cover (with the typos and the shots of Karl), the dead air, the faded-out song, and the equipment trouble. But maybe EMI deliberately sanctioned it in order to goad KW into putting out some new material... ;-))). Or maybe the bootlegger (if there is one) thought he would be on better legal ground if he gave credit where credit was due-- it's been known to happen... -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) Concert Classics Date: 05 Sep 1998 23:34:12 +0100 (BST) On Sat, 5 Sep 1998, Christopher Gross wrote: > >4. Tanzmusik [fades out half way!] > > Just picked up a copy yesterday and Track 3 sounds more like "Tongebirge" to > me- but I'll have to listen to it again. Either way it's nice. And I agree Ralf introduces it as Kling Klang, and it starts in the same key as the album version... although similarities just about end there ;-) DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) Concert Classics Date: 05 Sep 1998 19:28:40 +0500 On 06-Sep-98, David Davis wrote: > Ralf introduces it as Kling Klang, and it starts in the same key as the >album version... although similarities just about end there ;-) Then I _do_ have to listen to it again! Actually I was busy at the time I was listening and skimmed through the album just to hear what it sounded like, so I missed the announcement. I kept wondering when the 'intro' would finish and "Morgenspaziergang" would start! :-) -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RHC Subject: Re: (kw) We are the robots..... Date: 06 Sep 1998 05:22:11 +0100 At 20:23 05-09-98 +0200, you wrote: >Well great. Now to find that programme's email addy & request some >Download & Skinny Puppy myself ;-) HEAR HEAR!! Since I'm the co-owner of the SP mailing list :) -Rene ICQ UIN 2193840 A Staff Member of Last Sigh Magazine For Underground Music http://www.waste.org/lastsigh # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: (kw) "Lauschangriff" - Boot Date: 06 Sep 1998 03:16:54 +0200 Don't know if this had been posted alredy, anyway, I just bought a 2CD boot, which I think is "new", called "Lauschangriff": It contains the Duesseldorf-concert from 31.10.1991 and some Bonustracks. Tracklist: Kling CD: -Nummern -Computerwelt -It's more fun to compute/Heimcomputer -Computerliebe -Das Modell -Tour de France -Autobahn -Radioaktivitaet -Trans Europa Express/Metall auf Metall/Abzug -Die Roboter Extrastueck: -Die Roboter (Kinderspiel-Version) Running time: 79:49 Klang CD: -Taschenrechner -Musique Nun Stop F=FCr Jaeger und Sammler: -Radioactivity (1976, 7", engl. A-side) -Showroom Dummies (1977, 7", engl. A-side) -Trans Europa Express (1977, 7", germ. A-side) -Tour de France (Remix 1983, 7", A-side) -Numbers 1981 (Kraftwerk-Remix) -Musique Non Stop (1986, Maxi-Version) -Der Telefonanruf (1986, original 7"-Mix) -Tour de France (1983, Instrumental-Version) -Kometenmelodie 2 (1974, A-side Version) -Autobahn (1981, new version) -Kohoutek (1974, first A-side) -Autobahn (1975, original 7"-version) -Radioactivity (William Orbit 7"-Remix) -Robotronik (7"-version) -The Telephone Call (1986, engl. 7"-version) Running time: 79:44 "Produziert von Franz Kafka f=FCr Schoene Neue Welt-Produkte Copyright 1998 Tschak!!-Tontraeger" is printet on the backside. Average soundquality at the live tracks (too low basses). Gruesse aus Wien, Georgie --=20 * Georg Jajus - Vienna - Austria * http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * SMS & phone: +436765621850 * "In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcafe, Direktverbindung TEE..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) GENERAL INFO Date: 06 Sep 1998 01:05:05 +0500 On 30-Aug-98, Jose Corchado wrote: >> what did eveyone think of Flur's album (Yamo "Time Pie") >I think it is a good album, if you don't to compare it to anything by >kraftwerk. In my copy there is a sticker that says 'File under Kraftwerk', >and I think this is not very respectful to Flur. I agree. When I bought the album it had the same sticker on it. And it was not very respectful to Wolfgang-- especially since TIME PIE was so dissimilar to the last Kraftwerk album. Yamo deserves its own niche. I'm looking forward to their next album! Oboy oboy... -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: resin@tuna.net (resin@tuna.net) Subject: (kw) sheet music/concert classics Date: 06 Sep 1998 01:36:39 -0400 hello soon i am going to scan the autobahn sheet music and put it up on my website. i will keep you posted. just picked up "concert classics" today. (on vinyl- is the cd version different from the record?) record track list- side one: autobahn side two: kometenmelodie, morganspaziergang part 1 and 2 i think this an official realease- from the record company to cash in on the recent kraftwerk tour. could emi do this without kraftwerk's go ahead? darren # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf interview on TOKION magazine Date: 06 Sep 1998 23:57:22 +0900 Hi again, A brief addendum for those who'll order the issue of TOKION: "TOKION" vol. 8 Horror issue ISBN4-7713-3805-1 Korinsha Shuppan Co.Ltd. release date: 25/08/1998 (25th day of August, 1998) Price: 880 Yen (Japan), $5.95 (USA), $8.50 (Canada) or 6.95 pounds (UK) Regards, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: (kw) Ralf interview on TOKION magazine Date: 06 Sep 1998 23:47:54 +0900 Hello 'werkers, Latest issue of TOKION magazine has a brief interview of Ralf Huetter, at Los Angeles, USA, during Welt-Tournee on June this year. The publisher is originally located in Japan, but the words are provided both in Japanese and in English. The words are simple and basic, nothing new. At the same time, pictures are big and cool. ;-) TOKION vol.8 Horror issue, page 62-67. To get the issue, you can contact to one of the following: Bookstores: (Japan) Aoyama Book Center, PARCO Book Center, Libro, Kinokuni-ya Shoten, Tower Records, Virgin Megastore, HMV (USA) Tower Records, Crown, Borders, Barnes and Noble, Kinokuniya Bookstores, and X-Large in L.A. (UK) Dillon's Art Book Shop, I.C.A., Forbidden Planet, Moshi Moshi Shushi Direct order: (Japan) Korinsha Publishing Co.Ltd. (Fax: 03-3406-7955) (USA) Big Top Publishing (Fax: 415-974-1328) (UK) Comag (Fax c/o K's Communications Inc: 0171-403-6211) Regards, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf interview on TOKION magazine Date: 06 Sep 1998 19:10:51 +0200 >The words are simple and basic, nothing new. >At the same time, pictures are big and cool. ;-) but you're going to place them somewhere on the net anyway, aren't you? :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: (kw) IN Toronto! Date: 06 Sep 1998 18:34:45 -0700 (PDT) > >To: datafreq >From: Eric Knight >Subject: Re: (kw) Impossible to find!!!!(Bussys Book) >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >>At 06:19 AM 05/09/98 -0700, Eric Knight wrote: >>> >>>Yhanks to those who answerd my last post about trying to find Bussy's Book >>>in the USA.... > >datafreq Wrote: > >>tower records has a few copies at their store here in toronto... >> >>d. > > >Damn!! I was Just in Niagara Falls Last Weekend!!! > >Could you give me the address/Phone # possibly? > >Could BE Time For a ROAD TRIP!! > > ******************************************************************************** * June 11th, 1998. State Theater * Eric Knight * * KRAFTWERK * ericknig@sprynet.com * * I was there, I will Never Forget * * ******************************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf interview on TOKION magazine Date: 07 Sep 1998 11:05:35 +0900 At 06 Sep 1998 19:10:51 +0200, lbo wrote: >>The words are simple and basic, nothing new. >>At the same time, pictures are big and cool. ;-) > >but you're going to place them somewhere on the net anyway, aren't you? :-) Sounds cool, but I need a scanner... :~( ---- Hiroshi MURATA (NTT Software Labs./Musashino Tokyo Japan) (work) (private) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Josef Gabler Subject: Re: (kw) "Lauschangriff" - Boot Date: 07 Sep 1998 03:57:49 +0200 From host: magnet v3.1 Wien=20 osted to conference: MailBox=20 essage 13 06.09.98 03:16=20 ubject: (kw) "Lauschangriff" - Boot=20 rom: Georg Jajus ,Inet=20 o: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com,Inet=20 =20 =FCr Jaeger und Sammler:=20 Radioactivity (1976, 7", engl. A-side)=20 Showroom Dummies (1977, 7", engl. A-side)=20 Trans Europa Express (1977, 7", germ. A-side)=20 Tour de France (Remix 1983, 7", A-side)=20 Numbers 1981 (Kraftwerk-Remix)=20 Musique Non Stop (1986, Maxi-Version)=20 Der Telefonanruf (1986, original 7"-Mix)=20 Tour de France (1983, Instrumental-Version)=20 Kometenmelodie 2 (1974, A-side Version)=20 Autobahn (1981, new version)=20 Kohoutek (1974, first A-side)=20 Autobahn (1975, original 7"-version)=20 Radioactivity (William Orbit 7"-Remix)=20 Robotronik (7"-version)=20 The Telephone Call (1986, engl. 7"-version)=20 =20 Gruesse aus Wien,=20 eorgie=20 Hallo Georg!=20 Du trennst Dich von Deiner Kraftwerk-Sammlung ??=20 ann kan man denn die St=FCcke besichtigen? (Gemeint ist eigentlich=20 schon heute).=20 =20 russ=20 =20 --josef=20 =20 =20 =20 sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "97fm" <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) concert classics Date: 07 Sep 1998 07:23:04 -0300 Hi, I want the CD Concert Classics (Autobahn, Kometenmelodie and others) Live versions Somebody help me ?? Thanks ! Eduardo Monteiro # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: acidtest Subject: Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering Date: 07 Sep 1998 23:32:29 +1200 >I have an excellent copy audience recording of the FULL show. >-- ok, i have a real audio recording thats about 45 mins long, so what did i miss?! and...is anyone able to mp3 some of it, ie Radioactivity, please?!!! thanks Shaun. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mallade" <0732240d01@cplus.es> Subject: RE: (kw) concert classics Date: 07 Sep 1998 14:41:13 +0200 > I want the CD Concert Classics (Autobahn, Kometenmelodie and others) >Live versions http://www.ab-cd.com/ Fer mallade@abonados.cplus.es http://members.tripod.com/~mallade # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MWebb17743@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) concert classics Date: 07 Sep 1998 09:14:10 EDT In a message dated 7/9/98 1:07:18 pm, you wrote: <> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) GENERAL INFO Aphex Twin Date: 07 Sep 1998 10:39:48 +0200 > < farts.>> Ha ha! It is funny that you mention this because Richard D. James had sampled tampons television advertising spots, his mother's laugh and the noises of his own FARTS!! RDJ possess an inteligent irony, a sarcastic sense of humour and a merciless sarcasm, "what is the meaning of the music if you can not laugh?", he says. Richard has been teaching his computer to write music so he can spend more time 'shagging'. Richard has had three over-sized bears bouncing about on stage causing untold damage. Richard has had his face cast in laytex in order to reproduce lots of little Twins for his "Come To Daddy" video. Richard has fallen asleep during a meeting with high-powered Pirelli advertising executives. Richard has filmed a documentary for Channel 4. Richard has spent his time generally pissed and debauched. Richard hasn't got round to doing a second remix for Beck, his reason - "One per album is enough." Richard hasn't collaborated with Bjork on her new album although she asked him to. Richard hasn't remixed the Future Sound of London, David Holmes, Yello, and countless others. Richard hasn't turned up to wear his suit as the Chancellor of the Exchequer at the NME. Richard hasn't turned in the required fluffy track for the Virgin Airlines advert, his was more like a soundtrack to a disaster movie. Richard hasn't got round to handing in the documentary he filmed for Channel 4. Richard hasn't returned any of his calls. Anybody knows how to get the is CD single which contains a remix of "To Cure A Weakling Child" which is featured on the Orange TV advert? I recommend you to visit the next web http://www.eurotel.sk/~chch/aphex/index.htm Cheers! DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Komputer Date: 07 Sep 1998 10:37:18 +0200 Fecha: viernes 4 de septiembre de 1998 0:23 Andrew T [K_303] wrote: > As many of you know, before Komputer was Komputer they were called > Fortran 5. I recently found one of their albums (hard to find for some > reason) and its amazing that they weren't totally ripping off KW. It's > what you would call a basic "electronica" album, nothing very amazing > here. It seems their switch to KW-ish musika has gained them much > popularity so I guess it was a good career move for them... I think David Wilson-Baker & Simon Leonard -today in Komputer- on their bands Fortran 5 and I Start Counting had a personal obsesion by the electronic music of KRAFTWERK and Cabaret Voltaire. DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) sheet muzik Date: 06 Sep 1998 10:06:26 +0200 Fecha: jueves 3 de septiembre de 1998 10:43 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > Mr. I. Mouse is the company of Kraftwerk's (former?) US agent. I thought Kraftwerk have not (and hadn't) any manager or agent ever. DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) new KRAFTWERK book Date: 07 Sep 1998 10:40:47 +0200 Fecha: miércoles 2 de septiembre de 1998 22:55 Chris Raistrick wrote: > the book is out in a couple of weeks time..if this list so wishes , and if > the author agrees ,i could put out a couple of extracts ...let me know. > BTW, does anyone know the cheapest way to get to the 3 KW gigs from london > and back?no sarcastic answers , please.maybe someone on this list works for > an airline.... > chris I think I know a cheap way to travel, I recommend you to visit AirHitch! http://www.airhitch.org/ or http://www.isicom.fr/airhitch/. You may also try in http://www.cheap-airfare.com/ and http://www.mrcheaps.com/ Now two questions: 1. What three KW gigs do you refer? 2. Please excuse my ignorance, but what is BTW? DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) There is no Kraftwerk but Kraftwerk Date: 05 Sep 1998 10:47:10 +0200 Fecha: miércoles 2 de septiembre de 1998 20:49 Kevin Busby wrote: > lbo wrote: > > >this is not to demean AT: I think his recording production is just a bit > >hypertrophic > > I would say his production tends to be "shoddy". I had to look up > "hypertrophy" at Webster (http://work.ucsd.edu:5141/cgi-bin/http_webster). > It's a mellifluous word. > "A condition of overgrowth or excessive development of an organ* or part; > -- the opposite of {atrophy}." > Shoddy. What? I can not see the sense of this expresion in the RDJ's music. DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) OMD Date: 07 Sep 1998 10:30:42 +0200 viernes 4 de septiembre de 1998 0:38 Jose Corchado wrote: > I found this in the OMD biography at the official OMD web site, > http://www.omd.uk.com/ : > "Humphreys and McCluskey christened themselves VCLXI after a valve diagram > on the sleeve of Kraftwerk's Radioactivity album" > > Although probably most of the members of the list already knew it, I > didn't, and found it quite amusing. > VCL XI was the name of the first band of McCluskey-Humphreys (pre-OMD, of course). And we have to notice that the second LP of the band from Liverpool is called "Organisation", like the pre-KRAFTWERK band. Also in this OMD's album it is included a song called "VCL XI". DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: weldelectronica@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: (kw) GENERAL INFO Aphex Twin Date: 07 Sep 1998 09:46:41 -0400 can kraftwerkians recommend what cabaret voltaire cd's are worth getting??? (sacriledge i know-but i have none! :_) cheers weld # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Mills Subject: (kw) Cabaret Voltaire Date: 07 Sep 1998 14:48:52 +0100 > can kraftwerkians recommend what cabaret voltaire cd's are worth > getting??? (sacriledge i know-but i have none! :_) > cheers > weld I recommend the stuff they put out between 79 and 85 - the best releases being: THE VOICE OF AMERICA RED MECCA 2X45 THREE MANTRAS MICROPHONIES THE CRACKDOWN Enough to keep you going there, I reckon Paul Mills paulm@intercell.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Claudio Falaschini" Subject: (kw) KW MP3 Site Date: 07 Sep 1998 11:08:02 -0300 >> Thought i'd share the good news and spread the word that someone has >> upload almost a dosen different Kraftwerk albums to an FTP site. >> The IP# is 207.229.132.244 >> the login name is mp3z >> the password is mp3z Login/Pass combination does not work. Please post the correct ones. please Thank You Claudio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) new KRAFTWERK book Date: 07 Sep 1998 23:21:41 +0900 At 7 Sep 1998 10:40:47 +0200, Der Automat wrote: >2. Please excuse my ignorance, but what is BTW? It must be a sponsor company of one of the following: - German cars which run on Autobahn - telephone lines, probably British - bicycle race on muddy ground (excuse this stupidity, I just couldn't resist... ;-) ) For the real answer, you'd want to find a Web page for a list for _acronyms_ used on the Net, which are easily found at several search engines. Regards, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: weldelectronica@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: (kw) Hello / T-shirts Date: 07 Sep 1998 11:46:35 -0400 are there any other mail order sources for kraftwerk t shirts/etc.. the official sites are kinda lame and are only in Large! for us larger side fans, it just wont work! :-) cheers weld # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark reed Subject: Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering Date: 18 Aug 1998 12:32:14 +0100 >ok, i have a real audio recording thats about 45 mins long, so what did i >miss?! tracks missing from the FM broadcast are Home Computer, Man Machine, TDF, Autobahn, Tribal, Boing Boom Tschak, and Musique Non Stop. My version isn't slow either,Radio 1 FM's awful digital delays ran about 1/10th slower than the actual show. -- mark reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Buenos Aires confirmed Date: 07 Sep 1998 17:49:35 -0300 Well, well, well... Buenos Aires confirmed... I think I need to update my page and take my passport... hehehe. Sorry, I know that it was said many times here in the list, but I lost the url... where can I find the list archives? Thanks... peace Nicolau http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TPURE@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Cabaret Voltaire Date: 07 Sep 1998 20:06:19 EDT In a message dated 9/7/98 1:54:40 PM, you wrote: <> I'd also like to add: DRINKING GASOLINE THE SWORD, THE COVENANT, & THE ARM OF THE LORD RADIATION (the new release from their Radio One sessions) tIMPURE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: weldelectronica@worldnet.att.net Subject: (kw) KW gear on tour and composing Date: 07 Sep 1998 20:55:46 -0400 did anyone get a good rundown on the gear kraftwerk had/has on tour recently?????? i had heard, Quasimidi Quasar-technox, Nordlead racks, Studio electronics SE-1, anything else??????? also.\,this is probally top secret, but has anyone heard what there composing the new material on, i.e. macs, Doefler, ST's, etc???? cheers weld # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Astrolude@aol.com Subject: (kw) Looking for "Neon Lights" Live in Japan, in Mp3? Date: 07 Sep 1998 20:53:52 EDT You can find it on my website in mp3 format..... http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4793/index.html ~Astro # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) articles and update Date: 08 Sep 1998 00:30:41 -0300 Last Friday and Saturday the brazilian newspaper O Estado de Sao Paulo published two articles about Kraftwerk... one page on Friday and a half page on Saturday... They can be find at http://estado.com.br at Pesquisa option. Good articles... the best is the Saturday one, the journalist (Jotabe Medeiros) made an interview with Ralf by phone... I translated what Ralf said to english and put it at my page. Check it... http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html I updated the KW map in a funny way, made a portuguese version for Free Jazz page, put some news at Brazilian page and created an Argentinean page. The press says that the tickets for Free Jazz Festival will be available next September, 16th, but the production didn't confirm this. peace Nicolau # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: RE: (kw) There is no Kraftwerk but Kraftwerk Date: 08 Sep 1998 13:55:43 +0000 At 10:47 am +0200 5/9/98, Der Automat wrote: >Shoddy. What? I can not see the sense of this expresion in the RDJ's music. Usually his production sounds just fine, but he seems to find tape dropouts and digital distortion acceptable in contexts which I personally don't. Hear for example his own version (i.e. not the Philip Glass orchestration!) of 'Icct Hedral'. >Anybody knows how to get the is CD single which contains >a remix of "To Cure A Weakling Child" which is featured on the Orange TV >advert? I'm surprised this is hard to find? Is it not available from the usual mail order suppliers? K Ob. Kraftwerk: er... no, sorry, can't think of anything relevant... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Komputer Date: 07 Sep 1998 18:03:06 +0200 Fecha: sábado 5 de septiembre de 1998 10:08 lbo wrote: > >As many of you know, before Komputer was Komputer they were called > >Fortran 5. I recently found one of their albums (hard to find for some > > nothing to do with System 7? Komputer has nothing to do with System 7. System 7 are Steve Hillage, his girlfriend Miquette Giraudy and Mike Howlett. Komputer are David Wilson-Baker and Simon Leonard. DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) concert classics Date: 08 Sep 1998 13:01:51 +0200 In a message dated 7/9/98 15:21 pm, MWebb17743@aol.com wrote: >Has anyone noticed that Africa Bambata's legendary Planet Rock has been >given >a big reissue.It contains lots of mixes all containing the melody from TEE. Does anyone how to get this reissue? Thanks in advance. DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Holton Subject: (kw) Concert classics Date: 08 Sep 1998 14:51:22 +0100 Anybody want Concert Classics =40 =A310 (cash) inclusive of postage and = packing email me privately Dave H # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Garry Smith" Subject: (kw) Impossible to find!!!!(Bussys Book) Date: 08 Sep 1998 15:02:26 +0100 Eric Knight wrote: > Yhanks to those who answerd my last post about trying to find Bussy's Book > in the USA.... > > With no luck at all, I still do not have in my possession a copy of the > book that Florian referred to as "SHIT" :-) > > Anyone else know where I could obtain a copy??? If you can't find it in the USA, there's a rock bookshop in London called Helter Skelter which had a few copies on its shelves a couple of weeks ago. Website at http://www.skelter.demon.co.uk -- Garry Smith garry@caleyjag.demon.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: (kw) Planet Rock 98 Date: 08 Sep 1998 17:18:21 +0200 >Has anyone noticed that Africa Bambata's legendary Planet Rock has been >given >a big reissue.It contains lots of mixes all containing the melody from TEE. Subject: RE: (kw) Robots 12" Date: 07 Sep 1998 17:43:52 +0200 Fecha: viernes 4 de septiembre de 1998 20:41 Armin Poecker wrote > > > > there's no '1978' 12" version of 'The Robots' or 'Die Roboter'. > > > > Yes. There was a 1978 12" version of Die Roboter German 12" single th= at > > contains Die Roboter/Das Model/Neonlicht/TEE, its num. cat. is KlingKlang > > 45176. Really there no was 1978 The Robots UK 12" single. But > > not one of them coincide with the 12" which we are talking about. >=20 > Well, on this 12" is the egular german 7" version of Die Roboter. The fact=20 > that > it has been issued on a 12" doesn't make a single version into a 12"=20 > version. >=20 > But maybe you could check the number in the run-out groove of your 12",= =20 > then it > wouldn't be a problem to verify which 12" you've got. >=20 The only number I found is ST 33. DER AUTOMAT =AE http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gabiqua@mail.matav.hu (Tandi Gabor) Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #191 Date: 07 Sep 1998 16:29:43 GMT Hi All! On Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:54:57 -0600, = owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) wrote: > Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:07:20 +0200 (MET DST) > From: Sigurd Gulliksrud > Subject: Re: (kw) Electric Music review >=20 > On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Andr=3DE9s Garc=3DEDa Aparicio wrote: >=20 > > something more than perverse sense of humor. Do you would buy this = same > > record if it would be=3D20 > > make for an unkown artist? >=20 > It's a brilliant album so, yepp, I would have bought it anyway. Yes, you are very right. I love it. Very good tracks, except for the 6th (Information) and 8th (Overdrive). His 2nd album is completely different = and (I think) it's awful. I couldn't listen to it before buying. -- hali: Gabiqua ---------------------------------------------------- | Tandi Gabor, | mailto:gabiqua@mail.matav.hu | | HUNGARY Paks | mailto:gabiqua@npp.hu | | Tel: 75/314-496 | ICQ UIN: 9004470 | ---------------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "markus vidman" Subject: (kw) kraftwerk Date: 07 Sep 1998 12:49:29 PDT Where can i get/buy Kraftwerk´s first album "kraftwerk" ? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicolau Centola" Subject: (kw) articles Date: 08 Sep 1998 10:07:18 PDT The corrects urls for O Estado de Sao Paulo articles about KW are: http://www.estado.com.br/jornal/suplem/zap/98/09/04/1pagina.html http://www.estado.com.br/jornal/suplem/zap/98/09/04/musica.html http://www.estado.com.br/jornal/98/09/05/news033.html peace Nicolau ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lars Nellemann" Subject: (kw) Basskraft? Date: 08 Sep 1998 19:29:27 +0200 Found this at www.Hotstuff.se 28232 CD KRAFTWERK TRIBUTE BASSKRAFT US Bass tribute 159- Anybody heard it? - Tracklisting? Lars # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: Re: (kw) Planet Rock 98 Date: 08 Sep 1998 12:36:48 -0600 >try to look for the record lable and I will inform you. >The record has 3 remixes and the original track. I'm curious...is this not the 92 remix of "Planet Rock" with remixes by Karl Bartos, LFO, plus others. It was issued on Tommy Boy Records. It also contained the original track by Afrika Bambaata. DJFRANKX http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/kw2000.htm > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicolau Centola" Subject: (kw) another article Date: 08 Sep 1998 10:43:38 PDT Last Saturday brazilian newspaper Folha de Sao Paulo made a box about KW in an article about Massive Attack gig at Free Jazz Festival. That's the text and translation: Kraftwerk diz que "sim" A dupla Florian Schneider/Ralf Hütter, núcleo formador da banda alemã Kraftwerk, que participa do Free Jazz, respondeu laconicamente a questionário enviado pela Folha. Cinco das oito perguntas foram respondidas com "sim". Leia algumas respostas. Folha - Vocês vão tocar novas músicas? Têm planos para um novo álbum? Kraftwerk - Sim. Folha - Considerando a influência que o Kraftwerk exerce sobre o pop atual, é possível dizer que o pop hoje está permeado de identidade alemã? Kraftwerk - Somos cosmopolitas com um lastro cultural alemão. Folha - Se vocês pudessem inventar a máquina perfeita para criar música, como ela seria? Kraftwerk - O estúdio Kling Klang. Kraftwerk says yes Ralf & Florian answered in a laconic form the questionary sent by Folha de Sao Paulo. Five of the eight questions was answered with "yes". Some answers: Folha: Will you play new songs? Are you planning a new album? KW: Yes. Folha: Considering KW influence in pop music, is it possible to say that pop today are permeated by a german identity? KW: We are citizens of the world with a german cultural appetizer. Folha: If you could invent a perfect machine to create music, how it looks like? KW: Kling Klang studio. hehehe... good answers... Folha de Sao Paulo is know here in Brazil like a pseudo-intelectual newspaper. They seems like intelectuals, but without substance most of the time... well, that's MY oppinion. I will put a copy at my page anyway... Considering that these questions were sent to KW and they returned the answers, I think the journalist from O Estado de Sao Paulo had a better chance and a better luck. peace 38 days and counting... Nicolau http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: llacost@juno.com (Larry R LaCost Jr.) Subject: Re: (kw) Bussy's Book, New KW BOOK?) Date: 08 Sep 1998 12:31:04 -0700 >> Ear/Rational Music has it -- see >http://www.xmission.com/~ear/k.html: >> >> Kraftwerk - Man Machine BOOK [0946719098:o] Krankenvogel > $18.50 > >Who or what is Krankenvogel?? > >Thanks, > Klaus Zaepke The person running this site said that this book is by Pascal Bussy. Larry R. LaCost Jr. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MWebb17743@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: (kw) Planet Rock 98 Date: 08 Sep 1998 19:53:34 EDT Hi, planet rock is remixed by g.ccp Eric Powell Zulu Funk and others. CHEERS NEIL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mauricio Gonzalez Subject: (kw) TO ARGENTINE WERKERS Date: 08 Sep 1998 23:39:50 -0400 It is a Spanish message to Argentine Werkers, I will Travel to = Argentina and I need Information Hola Werkers Favor Necesito ayuda!=20 Ya se comenzaron a vender los Tikets para el concierto? Cual es su = precio ? Cuales son los precios de alojamiento en Buenos Aires ? ( HOTEL, = Pensi=F3n, o lo que sea) Se sabe algo si se puede entrar con c=E1mara fotogr=E1fica? Todavia estoy cotizando por el viaje desde Chile a B. Aires. Es primera vez que saldr=EDa del pa=EDs y estoy muy desorientado de los = tramites que hay que hacer, pero no importa, Por Kraftwerk, Todo. Ojala que todos disfrutemos de ese d=EDa =FAnico!!! Gracias!! Mauricio G. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jean-Luc Turbo Subject: Bussy's Book Impossible to find...(kw) Date: 09 Sep 1998 00:16:10 -0700 Looking for hard to find books or books out of print may be found at either one of two online book search sites that I'm aware of: www.abebooks.com or www.interloc.com. I was lucky enough to find an out of print book at a seller in New York. The gentleman was nice enough to send me the book once I paid him (!). Expect to pay the price of the book plus posting. I am not certain whether these sites deal specifically with U.S. booksellers or are nice enough to include the rest of the planet as well... Good Luck! Best Regards, Jean-Luc Turbo The Cult of Eidophusikon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: (kw) New KW-song on compilation? Date: 09 Sep 1998 14:30:43 +0200 Kraftwerk News! According to the austrian magazine "Libro Journal" 9/98, a brandnew Kraftwerk track will be released on a "Spacenight"-compilation in autumn. Here we go (in german only): "Helau! Wartet irgendwer auf das erste musikalische Lebenszeichen von Kraftwerk seit mehr als zehn Jahren? Dann aufgepasst: Im Herbst soll eine Spacenight-Compilation mit einem brandneuen Track der legendaeren Electronic-Pioniere erscheinen. Mit dabei auch unveroeffentlichte Stuecke von Kruder & Dorfmeister und Sven Vaeth". BTW: Kruder & Dorfmeister (two electronic guys from austria) played also at Roskilde in June, and they also will perform these days at the Ars Electronica (where Kraftwerk played in 1993) in Linz. Gruesse aus Wien, Georgie -- * Georg Jajus - Vienna - Austria * http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * SMS & phone: +436765621850 * "In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcafe, Direktverbindung TEE..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: Re: (kw) TO ARGENTINE WERKERS Date: 09 Sep 1998 11:23:41 +0300 At 23:39 -0400 08/09/1998, Mauricio Gonzalez wrote: >It is a Spanish message to Argentine Werkers, I will Travel to Argentina >and I need Information >Hola Werkers! Favor Necesito ayuda! >Ya se comenzaron a vender los Tikets para el concierto? Cual es su precio ? >Cuales son los precios de alojamiento en Buenos Aires ? ( HOTEL, Pensi=F3n, >o lo que sea) >Se sabe algo si se puede entrar con c=E1mara fotogr=E1fica? >Todavia estoy cotizando por el viaje desde Chile a B. Aires. >Es primera vez que saldr=EDa del pa=EDs y estoy muy desorientado de los >tramites que hay que hacer, pero no importa, Por Kraftwerk, Todo. >Ojala que todos disfrutemos de ese d=EDa =FAnico!!! As our werker from Chile, me and some werkers from Brazil are also very interested in going to Argentina, but feeling a little 'lost', needing also all information possible. (If possible, please send the prices - tickets, hotel, food? - in US$) Thanks! AVELLAR (& others from Brazil!) Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. * http://members.tripod.com/~AVELLAR - under construction! * mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Claudio Falaschini" Subject: Re: (kw) TO ARGENTINE WERKERS Date: 09 Sep 1998 12:08:41 -0300 I'll reply by private email to you as i did with Mauricio with all the i= nfo i got until now. Greetings Claudio (Werker from Argentina) >and I need Information >Hola Werkers! Favor Necesito ayuda! >Ya se comenzaron a vender los Tikets para el concierto? Cual es su preci= o ? >Cuales son los precios de alojamiento en Buenos Aires ? ( HOTEL, Pensi=F3= n, # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: (kw) Mamboscope Date: 09 Sep 1998 11:33:32 EDT Ladies and Gentlemen, Mamboscope are pleased to announce the availability of a selection of Real Audio tracks from their production unit Perla 6 on their website: www.mamboscope.com Currently available are Miss 1985 and Precious Wilson. We welcome any comments you may have about our site and work. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peeters Ivo" Subject: (kw) (Off topic) Prae Krautrock pandemonium Date: 09 Sep 1998 19:49:41 +0200 On behalf of a friend, I am looking for the "prae krautrock pandemonium" (esp. vols. 3 to 5). Does anybody on the list where I can possibly get them? Thanks Ivo Peeters E-mail: Ivo.Peeters@village.uunet.be # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bandera311@aol.com Subject: (kw) hi and question Date: 09 Sep 1998 20:49:18 EDT hi, i'm new to the list...my name is Andrew and i live in the US (Arizona). I'm probably the only Arizonan on the list.. I also have a question. on the ticketworld.de website with the T-Shirts, all prices are listed in DM. is it possible to get a US$ version of the page? i looked for an e-mail address on the page, but couldn't find one. i would love one of the shirts, but i don't even know if i can order one delivered here to the US! If not, is there anywhere else I can find a KW T-Shirt (I have seen none anywhere here in Arizona). Thanks in advance for any information. Andrew # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Astrolude@aol.com Subject: (kw) A mass Kraftwerk Mp3 update on my website Date: 09 Sep 1998 23:12:13 EDT check it out i added about 3 more... http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4793/index.html have fun with them most are live versions... ~Astro # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: RE: Re: (kw) Planet Rock 98 Date: 10 Sep 1998 14:06:14 +0200 Here goes the info: AFRIKA BAMBAATAA & The Soul Sonic Force PLANET ROCK '98 side A: 1. Planet Rock '98 (o.r.g.a.n remix) by JACKLOT 2. Planet Rock (original re-edit) side B: 1. Planet Rock '98 (Dj Kaylab club mix) 2. Planet Rock '98 (Dimas & Mart=EDnez planet dub mix) Published by Shakin' Baker Music (BMI) The record label (i think this is for Europa) is CONTAINER RECORDS (The record I saw is released in Spain by MAX MUSIC) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk tour instruments Date: 09 Sep 1998 16:37:20 +0200 Hello. Weld wrote: > what was the equipment list on the most recent tour??? According to Doepfer website it seems KW have assistanced to develop several modular sinthesizers and analogic sequencers from Doepfer. The band uses the modular system A100, MAQ 16/3, MMR4/4, Schaltwerk, Regelwerk, master keyboards Sonderversionen and minikeyboards Donderanfertigung. All of them used during this tour. DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Aktivit=E4t_Guide_To_Bootleg?= Date: 10 Sep 1998 11:42:42 +0200 I have two issues of "The Complete Kraftwerkers Guide To Bootleg CD's (So far!)" published by the Aktivität fanzine team. ;-) Mail me if you are interesed. I can sell or swap for any KW produkt. DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk books Date: 09 Sep 1998 19:01:24 +0200 How many and which ones Kraftwerk books have been published? DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) The Mobilephone call Date: 10 Sep 1998 15:09:38 +0200 The mobile phone of my brother's girlfriend plays a little melody (Tour de France) when you call it. ;-) Camarades et amitie DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) new KRAFTWERK book Date: 09 Sep 1998 19:03:13 +0200 > At 7 Sep 1998 10:40:47 +0200, Der Automat wrote: > >2. Please excuse my ignorance, but what is BTW? > > It must be a sponsor company of one of the following: > - German cars which run on Autobahn > - telephone lines, probably British > - bicycle race on muddy ground Ha, ha! Yeah. It's funny. I did like it! > (excuse this stupidity, I just couldn't resist... ;-) ) > > > For the real answer, you'd want to find a Web page for a list > for _acronyms_ used on the Net, which are easily found at > several search engines. > > Regards, > Hiroshi Murata.(Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) Thanks for the tip. Does anyone know any URL? DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Have a dream Date: 10 Sep 1998 15:13:07 +0200 Fecha: domingo 19 de abril de 1998 21:22 Yes. It is a long time ago! I know! Christopher Gross wrote: > In another dream, I was listening to KW > performing 'We Are the Donuts...' :-) I dreamed that KW plays "Nous sommes le croissants". Ha, ha!! Excuse this stupidity, I just couldn't resist... :-D DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) another article Date: 10 Sep 1998 15:14:44 +0200 Hello Nicolau and everyone else >Last Saturday brazilian newspaper Folha de Sao Paulo made a box about KW >in an article about Massive Attack gig at Free Jazz Festival. That's the >text and translation: It is truth that Kraftwerk has granted an interview? And, how could the journalist obtains it? DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Records to sell Date: 10 Sep 1998 15:20:02 +0200 Hello, I've got a lot of records to sell. Please e-mail me (or mail to csalvado@redestb.es) if you are interested in any of them. If you want to swap contact with me, if you prefer to buy contact with csalvado@redestb.es All the references are in perfect state of conservation. Some of them are about to even still sealed. To the total amount of the requested material, you must add: 250 pesetas (£1.25 or 1.6$) of expenses of post and packing. Plus 0.5 % commission post office. The posts will be on the following day made cash on delivery to the reception of the order, in wadding and plastic of bubbles envelope (air bag). Please indicate the post adress clearly. CD = ALBUM COMPACT DISC / / 2CD=DOBLE CD / / CDS=CD SINGLE ARTIST / TITLE / FORMAT AND YEAR / / PRICE The list is as follows: 'VARIOUS' / MOST WANTED VOL. 2 ADAM & EVE RECORDS / CD 1994 // 1400 ptas. (£7 or 9.5$) 'VARIOUS' / RAVE MASSACRE / 2CD 1994 // 2000 ptas. (£10 or 13.5$) 'VARIOUS' / RAVEMISSION - THE SUMMER EDITION / 2CD 1994 // 2000 ptas. (£10 or 13.5$) ABC / SKYSCRAPING / CD 1997 // 1000 ptas. (£5 or 6.7$) ALIEN SEX FIEND / THE SINGLES 1983-1995 / 2CD 1995 // 2000 ptas. (£10 or 13.5$) AS ONE / REFLECTIONS / CD 1994 // 1200 ptas. (£6 or 8$) BERLIN / BERLIN / CD 1997 // 800 ptas. (£4 or 5.4$) BIRTHDAY PARTY / HITS / CD 1992 // 1800 ptas. (£9 or 12$) (former band of Nick Cave. Compilation) BLAKE BAXTER / DREAM SEQUENCE / CD 1992 // 1400 ptas. (£7 or 9.5$) (Tresor label) CARL COX / AT THE END OF THE CLICHE / CD 1996 // 1400 ptas. (£7 or 9.5$) CASSANDRA COMPLEX / WORK 1.0 / CD 1994 // 1000 ptas. (£5 or 6.7$) DEPECHE MODE / PERSONAL JESUS / CDS 1989 // 600 ptas. (£3 or 4$) (Includes an unreleased track) DEPECHE MODE / ULTRA RARE TRAX VOL. 4 / CD 1994 // 1600 ptas. (£8 or 10.7$) (rare tracks) DEPECHE MODE / DIGITAL RAZORMAIDS / 2CD 1993 // 2500 ptas. (£12.5 or 16.7$) (bootleg remixes) DIVINE / BORN TO BE CHEAP / CD 1994 // 600 ptas. (£3 or 4$) (live) DIVINE / THE BEST / CD 1991 // 800 ptas. (£4 or 5.4$) DJ HELL / GETEERT & GEFEDERT / CD 1994 // 1600 ptas. (£8 or 10.7$) ELECTRIC MUSIC / ELECTRIC MUSIC / CD 1998 // 1800 ptas. (£9 or 12$) (Karl Bartos, ex-Kraftwerk) FINITRIBE / AN UNEXPECTED GROOVY TREAT / CD 1992 // 1400 ptas. (£7 or 9.5$) FIREMAN / STRAWBERRIES OCEANS SHIPS FOREST / CD 1993 // 800 ptas. (£4 or 5.4$) FREEFORM / PROWL / CDS 1996 // 500 ptas. (£2.5 or 3.4$) FUTURE SOUND OF LONDON (AMORPHOUS ANDROGYNOUS) / TALES OF EPHIDRINA / CD1993 // 1400 ptas. (£7 or 9.5$) FUTURE SOUND OF LONDON / ISDN / CD 1994 // 1800 ptas. (£9 or 12$) (first edition luxe digipack) HIGHER INTELLIGENCE AGENCY / COLOUREFORM / CDS 1994 // 700 ptas. (£3.5 or 4.7$) (includes a remix by Autechre) HIGHER INTELLIGENCE AGENCY / COLOURFORM / CD 1993 // 1400 ptas. (£7 or 9.5$) INFLUX / UNIQUE / CD 1994 // 800 ptas. (£4 or 5.4$) IRRESISTIBLE FORCE (MIXMASTER MORRIS) / IRRESISTIBLE FORCE / CD 1993 // 1400 ptas. (£7 or 9.5$) JAM / COMPACT SNAP! / CD 1983 // 1000 ptas. (£5 or 6.7$) (Paul Weller's former band. Compilation) JAM & SPOON / TRIPOMATIC FAIRYTALES 2002 / CD 1993 // 1400 ptas. (£7 or 9.5$) (Apollo/R&S label) JESUS AND MARY CHAIN / HONEY'S DEAD / CD 1992 // 1000 ptas. (£5 or 6.7$) JESUS AND MARY CHAIN / THE SOUND OF SPEED / CD 1993 // 1000 ptas. (£5 or 6.7$) KEN ISHII / EXTRA / CDS 1995 // 500 ptas. (remixes by Luke Slater, Dave Angel and Luke Vibert) KOSMIK TWINS / PSYCHO CONNECTION / CD 1994 // 800 ptas. (£4 or 5.4$) K. HAND / ON A JOURNEY / CD 1996 // 1400 ptas. (£7 or 9.5$) LARRY HEARD / ALIEN / CD 1996 // 1600 ptas. (£8 or 10.7$) LARRY HEARD / SCENERIES NOT SONGS, VOLUME ONE / CD 1994 // 1600 ptas. (£8 or 10.7$) MESSIAH / 21ST CENTURY JESUS / CD 1993 // 1200 ptas. (£6 or 8$) MINISTRY / TWELVE INCH SINGLES / CD 1985 // 1000 ptas. (£5 or 6.7$) MINISTRY / WITH SYMPATHY / CD 1983 // 1000 ptas. (£5 or 6.7$) MLO / IO / CD 1994 // 1200 ptas. (£6 or 8$) MOONWATER / IN-EXISTENCE / CD 1993 // 1400 ptas. (£7 or 9.5$) (Apollo/R&S label) MORPH / STORMWATCH / CD 1994 // 1400 ptas. (£7 or 9.5$) (paralel project from Damon Wild) MORRISSEY / YOUR ARSENAL / CD 1992 // 1200 ptas. (£6 or 8$) (ex-Smiths) OMNI TRIO / THE HAUNTED SCIENCE / CD 1996 // 1400 ptas. (£7 or 9.5$) ONE DOVE / MORNING DOVE WHITE / CD 1993 // 1400 ptas. (£7 or 9.5$) (produced by Andrew Weatherall) PET SHOP BOYS / VERY / CD 1993 // 1200 ptas. (£6 or 8$) (original edition with relieves on the cover box) PETE NAMLOOK (ESCAPE) / ESCAPE / 2CD 1994 // 2200 ptas. (£11 or 14.7$) PRIMITIVE PAINTER / HOPE / CD 1994 // 1200 ptas. (£6 or 8$) (alter ego of Acid Jesus) RA-X / MUK / CD 1996 // 1400 ptas. (£7 or 9.5$) RECOIL / HYDROLOGY PLUS 1+2 / CD 1988 // 1400 ptas. (£7 or 9.5$) (Andy Wilder, ex-Depeche Mode) RED SNAPPER / REELED AND SKINNED / CD 1995 // 1400 ptas. (£7 or 9.5$) (Warp label) RENEGADE SOUNDWAVE / HOWYOUDOIN? / CD 1994 // 1200 ptas. (£6 or 8$) REVOLTING COCKS / LINGER FICKEN' GOOD / CD 1993 // 1400 ptas. (£7 or 9.5$) (paralel project from Ministry) REVOLTING COCKS / YOU GODDAMNED SON OF A BITCH / CD 1989 // 1200 ptas. (£6 or 8$) RYUICHI SAKAMOTO / 1996 / CD 1996 // 1200 ptas. (£6 or 8$) (versions in quartet of camera of soundtracks excerpts by Sakamoto from YMO) SEQUENCIAL (Pete Namlook & DJ Criss) / THE BIG CAHOONA / CD 1992 // 800 ptas. (£4 or 5.4$) SHEEP ON DRUGS / GREATEST HITS / CD 1993 // 1200 ptas. (£6 or 8$) SIDE EFFECTS / SIDE EFFECTS / CD 1997 // 1200 ptas. (£6 or 8$) (Spanish electronic-rock band) SOFT CELL / NON-STOP ECSTATIC DANCING / CD 1982 // 1200 ptas. (£6 or 8$) SOFT CELL / NON-STOP EROTIC CABARET / CD 1981 // 1200 ptas. (£6 or 8$) SOFT CELL / THE ART OF FALLING APART / CD 1983 // 1200 ptas. (£6 or 8$) SOFT CELL / THIS LAST NIGHT IN SODOM / CD 1984 // 1200 ptas. (£6 or 8$) SPOOKY / GARGANTUAN / CD 1993 // 1400 ptas. (£7 or 9.5$) STEREOLAB / EMPEROR TOMATO KETCHUP / CD 1996 // 1600 ptas. (£8 or 10.7$) SUICIDE / SUICIDE / CD 1977 // 1200 ptas. (£6 or 8$) (first album) SVEN VATH / ACCIDENT IN PARADISE / CD 1993 // 1400 ptas. (£7 or 9.5$) (first album) SYSTEM 7 / SYSTEM 7 / CD 1991 // 1400 ptas. (£7 or 9.5$) (first album) TAVARES / THE BEST OF TAVARES / CD 1996 // 600 ptas. (£3 or 4$) TECHNO-ANIMAL / RE-ENTRY / 2CD 1995 // 2200 ptas. (£11 or 14.7$) TELEX / LOOKING FOR SAINT TROPEZ / CD 1979 // 1600 ptas. (£8 or 10.7$) (legendary Belgian band) TELEX / SEX / CD 1981 // 1600 ptas. (£8 or 10.7$) TELEX / WONDERFUL WORLD-LOONET TUNES / CD 1984-86 // 1600 ptas. (£8 or 10.7$) TRANS-GLOBAL UNDERGROUND / DREAM OF 100 NATIONS / CD 1993 // 1400 ptas. (£7 or 9.5$) TRICKY / PRE-MILLENIUM TENSION / CD 1996 // 1400 ptas. (£7 or 9.5$) ULTRAMARINE / UNITED KINGDOMS / CD 1993 // 1200 ptas. (£6 or 8$) UZECT PLAUSH / MORE BEAUTIFUL HUMAN LIFE! / CD 1994 // 1400 ptas. (£7 or 9.5$) (Paul Schutze. Apollo/R&S label) VIBRAPHONIC / VIBRAPHONIC / CD 1993 // 1200 ptas. (£6 or 8$) (Acid Jazz label) VISAGE / FADE TO GREY - THE BEST OF VISAGE / CD 1993 // 1200 ptas. (£6 or 8$) VULVA / FROM THE COCKPIT / CD 1993 // 1600 ptas. (£8 or 10.7$) (Rephlex label) XOL DOG 400 / SONS OF T2 / CD 1993 // 1200 ptas. (£6 or 8$) XOL DOG 400 / TRIOXIN AND OTHER SLOW BEATS / CD 1994 // 1200 ptas. (£6 or 8$) DER AUTOMAT ® & o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o o Esplendor Geométrico Unofficial Web Site: o o http://www.redestb.es/personal/csalvado o o E-mail: csalvado@redestb.es o o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Found KW's records Date: 10 Sep 1998 15:33:01 +0200 I have found in a record shop the following KW's items Does anyone know what are the first seven records? Va-Kraftwerk TributeKraftwerk Tribute1998No disponible KraftwerkAutobahn Tour 19751998No disponible Kraftwerk.=tribute=Tribute1998No disponible Kraftwerk.=tribute=Kraftwerk, Best of1998CD 4.050 Pts. Import KraftwerkLive in Concert1998CD 2.495 Pts. Import KraftwerkBest of Kraftwerk1993No disponible KraftwerkCapitol Years1990No disponible  KraftwerkTrans Europe Express1997CD 4.050 Pts. Import KraftwerkMan Machine1997CD 3.750 Pts. Import Kraftwerk.=tribute=Trance Werk Express Vol.21996CD 2.795 Pts. Import KraftwerkComputer World + 31996CD 5.295 Pts. Import Japan, Soft Cell, Visage, O.M.D., Kraftwerk, UltravoxNew Romantic Classic Trac1994CD 2.650 Pts. Import   DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk books Date: 10 Sep 1998 14:38:55 +0000 At 7:01 pm +0200 9/9/98, Der Automat wrote: >How many and which ones Kraftwerk books have been published? AFAIK, two, with one _possibly_ on the way. http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/faq/further-information.html#book K -- Kevin Busby, Studio Manager, Department of Music, University of Birmingham, Edgbaston, Birmingham, B15 2TT, England. Tel: +44-(0)121-414 5785. Fax: +44-(0)121 414 5781. WWW: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/ Email: artless@innocent.com, busbykg@isdugp.bham.ac.uk or K.G.Busby@bham.ac.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: (kw) The secret KW biography Date: 10 Sep 1998 10:14:53 EDT Those of you who had the good luck to catch last year's (?) BBC Radio 1 documentary on Kraftwerk may have heard reference to "Kraftwerk biographer Mick Fish". Who is Mick Fish (if I got the name right !) and where is his biography of Kraftwerk ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom807@aol.com Subject: (kw) Classics Live Date: 10 Sep 1998 10:34:02 EDT Sorry for the stupid question, but I've been off the list for quite a while: What performance is "Concert Classics" CD taken from ? Thanks. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nebulous@erols.com Subject: Re: (kw) The secret KW biography Date: 10 Sep 1998 11:16:34 >Those of you who had the good luck to catch last year's (?) BBC Radio 1 >documentary on Kraftwerk may have heard reference to "Kraftwerk biographer >Mick Fish". > >Who is Mick Fish (if I got the name right !) and where is his biography of >Kraftwerk ? Mick Fish is the fellow who assisted Pascal Bussy with his book "Kraftwerk: Man, Machine, and Music". I believe Fish was the one who organized and collected much of the interview material which is presented throughout the book. Scott nebulous@erols.com Wir sind die Roboter... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morten Moen" Subject: (kw) Re: Basskraft? Date: 10 Sep 1998 16:18:18 +0200 > 28232 CD KRAFTWERK TRIBUTE BASSKRAFT US Bass tribute 159- > Anybody heard it? - Tracklisting? I'm expecting this album from Amazon in a couple of days. I'll give you a review shortly after. The tracklisting is as follows: 1. Trans-Europe Express 2. Robots, The 3. Computer World 4. Pocket Calculator 5. Numbers 6. Computer Love 7. Home Computer 8. It's More Fun To Compute 9. Beat, The 10. Digital World, A 11. Musique Non-Stop 12. Tour De France 13. Autobahn I've noticed BTW that it's categorized as 'Rap & Hip-Hop' at Amazon and 'R&B/Soul (Rap)' at CDNOW. I'm quite curios as to what this is! :-) Morten. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicolau Centola" Subject: (kw) KW interviews Date: 10 Sep 1998 07:33:10 PDT Well Automat and everyone, believe or not, Krafwerk had granted two interviews... The first and biggest one (I think) was made by O Estado de Sao Paulo, a brazilian newspaper. The journalist Jotabê Medeiros made a telephone call to Ralf Hütter. You can see the article and some Ralf's propositions (in portuguese) at: http://www.estado.com.br/jornal/98/09/05/news033.html I translated Ralf's speaks and put them at my page: http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html The second one was made (I think) by e-mail... I don't know if it can be assumed an interview, and KW was very laconic... but I will put it at my page soon... It's a short and not essential interview. I'm scanning both articles (and another ones) and will put them at my page. IMO the first one can be considered an interview. And we had some good points of view from Ralf. I come to the conclusion that yes, Kraftwerk has an e-mail and a telephone number... :-) peace Nicolau >It is truth that Kraftwerk has granted an interview? And, how could >the journalist obtains it? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Basskraft? Date: 10 Sep 1998 09:51:34 -0600 On Thu, Sep 10, 1998 at 04:18:18PM +0200, Morten Moen wrote: >> 28232 CD KRAFTWERK TRIBUTE BASSKRAFT US Bass tribute 159- >> Anybody heard it? - Tracklisting? > > I've noticed BTW that it's categorized as 'Rap & Hip-Hop' at Amazon and > 'R&B/Soul (Rap)' at CDNOW. I'm quite curios as to what this is! :-) In all likelihood, it's all Miami Bass-style, designed for folks who have eighteen-inch low-end drivers in the trunks of their lowriders. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 0625138143-0001@t-online.de (Armin Poecker) Subject: (kw) Radioactivity LP Date: 10 Sep 1998 17:24:30 +0200 > I recently bought a copy of the Radioactivity LP.It is a French import and > comes with a yellow on black radioactivity sticker that also has the Pathe > Marconi logo at the bottom.The sticker is the same size as found on the > American and German issues,but comes in the afformentioned colour scheme.I > think the album is an original as the labelis an early red Capitol design. > The sticker is not mentioned on the comprehensive discography andI have seen > several copies of this record without a sticker. > Is this an original and is this unusual?especially as this LP sold in large > quantities in France., > > Neil This is new to me, too. I've never seen a french pressing with a sticker, and if it has a Pathe Marconi print, it is official. Now I'd like to ask french listmembers if there ever was a french pressing with the stickersheet (16 Radioactivity stickers). If there was, it should have turned up by now. Too bad JBV is gone... Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin Niedergesaess Subject: (kw) karl bartos tour Date: 10 Sep 1998 19:20:24 +0200 i am not sure if that was mentioned yet: according to an interview karl bartos gave some weeks ago he will go on tour this year. beside his new stuff he will also play a lot of kraftwerk songs. martin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bandera311@aol.com Subject: (kw) electric music Date: 10 Sep 1998 13:41:10 EDT where can i get a copy of the new electric music cd? i didn't even know it existed and i can't find it at any stores here in Arizona or on the 'net. Andrew # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: (kw) question: Sound quality of bootlegs Date: 10 Sep 1998 15:38:23 -0400 (EDT) I just found the new Concert Classics bootleg for $17, as well as Kraftwerk 2 by Germanofon for $23 in a (regular) music store. I'm thinking "grab them" of course, but how good is teh sound quality of these, actually? (Particularly the more expensive Kraftwerk 2) (I've never heared any other bootleg, so teh only thing to measure the quality by would be regular CDs, or well-cared-for vinyl which would be the source of the KW 2 bootleg anyway, right?) thanks, -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) question: Sound quality of bootlegs Date: 10 Sep 1998 20:51:16 +0100 (BST) On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, G. Benedikt Rochow wrote: > but how good is teh sound quality of these, actually? > (Particularly the more expensive Kraftwerk 2) > (I've never heared any other bootleg, so teh only thing > to measure the quality by would be regular CDs, or > well-cared-for vinyl which would be the source of the > KW 2 bootleg anyway, right?) Concert Classics sound is fine for an old 70s live gig, really, considering how terrible some of the equipment people had to use in those days! It is is in glorious stereo... but the live sound mix is terrible in places, and Ralf has the noisiest phaser in the whole world! All this is perfectly preserved in detail on the recording :) Kraftwerk 2 is fine too- it's not immediately obvious that it is mastered from vinyl... however, I did notice that, for instance, the bass guitar on Kling Klang is a bit muddier than I might've expected it to be. DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: Re: (kw) question: Sound quality of bootlegs Date: 10 Sep 1998 16:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Thanks. > places, and Ralf has the noisiest phaser in the whole world! What's that, then? > Kraftwerk 2 is fine too- it's not immediately obvious that it is mastered > from vinyl... however, I did notice that, for instance, the bass guitar > on Kling Klang is a bit muddier than I might've expected it to be. Sounds good - Considering where it comes from, plain vinyl quality is pretty good (or are you saying it's significantly worse than that in places?). -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) question: Sound quality of bootlegs Date: 10 Sep 1998 21:36:37 +0100 (BST) On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, G. Benedikt Rochow wrote: > > places, and Ralf has the noisiest phaser in the whole world! > > What's that, then? The model? No idea! sorry... > > > Kraftwerk 2 is fine too- it's not immediately obvious that it is mastered > > Sounds good - Considering where it comes from, plain vinyl > quality is pretty good (or are you saying it's significantly worse > than that in places?). No, I think there's not much to complain about, really... I mean, I guess it would probably sound better remastered from the original tapes, if they'd been properly stored all these years, but who knows? DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: Re: (kw) question: Sound quality of bootlegs Date: 10 Sep 1998 16:50:05 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, David Davis wrote: > > On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, G. Benedikt Rochow wrote: > > > places, and Ralf has the noisiest phaser in the whole world! > > > > What's that, then? > > The model? No idea! sorry... No, what's a phaser? -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) question: Sound quality of bootlegs Date: 10 Sep 1998 22:13:41 +0100 (BST) On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, G. Benedikt Rochow wrote: > No, what's a phaser? Oh, I see! :) It's an effects device, that makes things go all sort of 'swooshy'. There's usually controls as to how fast the swoosh sweeps at, and just how swooshy it is ;-) More technically, phasing is a form of swept comb filtering (ahem) It is produced by taking an audio signal, and electronically shifting the phase of its waveform, and then routing this phase-shifted version back to mix with the original: this results in them cancelling/reinforcing each other in such a way as to create the comb filter. By changing the degree of phase-shift, using an LFO, you sweep the comb filter. (If you're wondering what the 'phase' of a waveform is in the first place, well... it's kinda how far along the shape of it you are, from start to finish... you measure it in degrees, from 0 to 360.) Good grief. Anyway. You can hear Kraftwerk phasing their lead synths in Autobahn. That's why the chords in the verses are so deliciously "schweeiiooiing, swchwing, swching, swhing"-y. There's millions of records with phasers on them, once you know what it sounds like, its dead easy to spot. Do you know Jean-Michel Jarre's OXYGENE, for instance? The string sounds on the first track are heavily phased to go 'mmmwwwoooaaarrrroooowwww' in that ever-so-phasey-way. Or Gary Numan's 'cars'? The little tune, in between the verses, has a nig phasey drone in it. DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: (kw) ?name? Date: 11 Sep 1998 01:40:41 +0200 I've heard about a new album of Electric Music: what's the name? I recently bought the Kraftwelt cd "Retroish": I liked it very much, especially tracks n° 10 & 11, really wonderful ! What do you think about it? regards, Didi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik J. Eid" Subject: RE: (kw) Basskraft? Date: 10 Sep 1998 21:28:12 >Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 19:29:27 +0200 >From: "Lars Nellemann" >Subject: (kw) Basskraft? > >Found this at www.Hotstuff.se > >28232 CD KRAFTWERK TRIBUTE BASSKRAFT US Bass tribute 159- > >Anybody heard it? - Tracklisting? I picked it up on Tuesday when it came out in the U.S. Here's the vital info: BASSKRAFT: A BASS TRIBUTE TO KRAFTWERK Pandisc PD8924-2 1. Trans-Europe Express 8. Home Computer 2. Autobahn 9. Tour de France 3. It's More Fun to Compute 10. The Robots 4. Musique Non-Stop 11. Computer Love 5. Pocket Calculator 12. A Digital World 6. Computer World 13. The Beat 7. Numbers 14. Mega Mix I've listened to most of it a couple of times. I'm not terribly impressed. That might be due to a personal bias - I'm so used to the songs on the other tributes ("Trancewerk Express Vol. 1", "Trancewerk Express Vol. 2", "Trans-Slovenia Express") and some covers (among them Alexander Balanescu's work) sounding quite different. The covers on Basskraft are very similar to the originals, or the versions from "The Mix" for those that were on that album. The drums are just louder in proportion to the rest of the instruments. The three "new" tracks sample heavily from the eleven covers. I may warm up to it eventually, but there's nothing terribly exciting or different about it. One main's opinion... . . \_ +\_ + o_-/ . O . \-_o -=/- . . . . \=// . ---------\_______ ||O ___.______ /* Erik Eid */ \____||L/\_____/ /* eeid@wwnet.net */_______________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric.Schader@gambro.com Subject: RE: (kw) KW interviews Date: 11 Sep 1998 09:16:34 +0200 Hey Nicolau! Thanks a lot. Soooooo nice of you to translate it for us. :)))))) > I translated Ralf's speaks and put them at my page: > > http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html > > I come to the conclusion that yes, Kraftwerk > has an e-mail and a telephone number... :-) > They have, WOW ;-) Kindest regards Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Farki" Subject: (kw) Ahem... (of topik) Date: 11 Sep 1998 13:44:09 +0200 The European Union commissioners have announced that an agreement has been reached to adopt English as the preferred language for European communications, rather than German, which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a five-year phased plan for what will be known as EuroEnglish (Euro for short). In the first year, "s" will be used instead of the soft "c". Sertainly, sivil servants will resieve this news with joy. Also, the hard "c" will be replaced with "k". Not only will this klear up konfusion, but typewriters kan have one less letter. There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced by "f". This will make words like "fotograf" 20 per sent shorter. In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of silent "e"s in the languag is disgrasful, and they would go. By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" by z" and "w" by v. During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou", and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters. After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubls or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru. Sorry... - Farki - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Piscart Subject: (kw) Komputer live Date: 11 Sep 1998 14:24:28 +0200 Hi there, I think that nobody mentionned that Komputer will be performing live in Brussels on the 18th september Check this out for more info: http://www.ais.be/Botanique/musique.html#nuits Pierre Henry will be there too !!!! Denotes also that the belgian techno magazine's Out Soon (september issue) contains a review (and a picture) of the Kraftwerk live act at Sonar 98. Ciao # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 0625138143-0001@t-online.de (Armin Poecker) Subject: (kw) LP for sale Date: 11 Sep 1998 14:10:35 +0200 If you are interested in the following live LP, mail me privately: Kraftwerk - Koeln 1971 live (picture disc, in die-cut sleeve) condition ex/ex Price is US$ 65. Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mallade" <0732240d01@cplus.es> Subject: RE: (kw) Ahem... (of topik) Date: 11 Sep 1998 15:13:14 +0200 >The European Union commissioners have announced that an agreement has >... >understand ech ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru. hahaha!! that was good :) >understand ech ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru. + http://www.tezcat.com/~antiorp bzzp. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) New Trade Date: 11 Sep 1998 15:17:47 +0200 I have some new records to trade: Kraftwerk "Tone Float" Cassette (new and unplayed) Conrad Schnitzler "Con" LP (excellent) Steve Reich "Music for 18 musicians" LP (excellent) Tangerine Dream "Cyclone" (Fold Out Cover) (excellent) Tangerine Dream "Encore" (excellent) Tangerine Dream "Stratosfear" (Fold Out Cover) (excellent) Tangerine Dream "Rubycon" (Fold Out Cover) (very good) Tangerine Dream "Zeit" (excellent) Tangerine Dream "Tangram" (excellent) Tangerine Dream "Phaedra" (excellent) Tangerine Dream "Ricochet" (excellent) With compliments. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sergio Bayarri Gausi Subject: Re: (kw) The Mobilephone call Date: 11 Sep 1998 20:56:19 +0200 (MET DST) Hello! > The mobile phone of my brother's girlfriend plays a little melody (Tour de > France) when you call it. > ;-) Erm..... Which model/brand is it? If I ever buy a mobile phone I will choose that one for sure :))) Greetings, Sergio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: Re: (kw) The Mobilephone call Date: 11 Sep 1998 17:49:08 +0300 At 20:56 +0200 11/09/1998, you wrote: >Hello! > >> The mobile phone of my brother's girlfriend plays a little melody (Tour de >> France) when you call it. >> ;-) > >Erm..... Which model/brand is it? If I ever buy a mobile phone I will >choose that one for sure :))) > >Greetings, >Sergio It's probably a NOKIA 6120 (or something like) digital cellular mobilephone. It appears to have more than 30 different musics, calculator, games (?!?!!). It's not small as the analog MOTOROLA STARTAC, but it has TOO MUCH more functions! The only problem is the price. In Brazil it's ca. US$ 700~800. But it would be very nice if anyone that owns it could confirm if it has TOUR DE FRANCE! Was it authorized?!?!?!?!???!! best regards to all, AVELLAR. *** OCTOBER - BUENOS AIRES, RIO DE JANEIRO & SAO PAULO!! It's getting nearer! *** Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. * http://members.tripod.com/~AVELLAR - under construction! * mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lars Nellemann" Subject: (kw) Depeche Mode does Kraftwerk Date: 12 Sep 1998 02:27:17 +0200 I've just returned from a great Depeche Mode concert in Copenhagen. During "Walking in my shoes" the video screen shows Depeche mode dressed as different musicians - I've spotted Elvis, Beatles, Freddy Mercury and this guy in black trousers, red shirt, black tie - doing robotic movements - Who else than Kraftwerk could that be! Lars # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) Depeche Mode does Kraftwerk Date: 12 Sep 1998 10:59:09 +0200 Lars Nellemann wrote: > > I've just returned from a great Depeche Mode concert in Copenhagen. > > During "Walking in my shoes" the video screen shows Depeche mode > dressed as different musicians - I've spotted Elvis, Beatles, Freddy Mercury > and this guy in black trousers, red shirt, black tie - doing robotic > movements - > Who else than Kraftwerk could that be! I noticed that reference, too (I saw them on wednesday in Helsinki). Otso # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) concert classics Date: 12 Sep 1998 22:49:19 +0000 > From: David Davis > Subject: Re: (kw) Concert Classics > > On Sun, 16 Aug 1998, mark reed wrote: > > Does anybody have a venue/date/accurate tracklisting for this CD? > > > The best we can appear to come up with is: > > America, 1975 (Autobahn Tour) > 1. Kometenmelodie > 2. Autobahn > 3. Kling Klang > 4. Tanzmusik [fades out half way!] > > DAVE I'd say the concert is from the UK leg of the 1975 tour, so sometime in September 1975. I think KW didn't own (or use) the Orchestron during the US tour. I also have the impression the order for the songs performed has been changed. Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) The Mobilephone call Date: 12 Sep 1998 16:04:43 +0200 >The mobile phone of my brother's girlfriend plays a little melody (Tour de >France) when you call it. ok, I've tried a lot and now everybody look me strange... so, what's that number, before I run out of batteries? :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Rusbridge" Subject: (kw) Disco Inferno Date: 13 Sep 1998 10:36:58 +0100 A documentary last night about 70's Disco music on Channel 4 (UK TV) featured a top 10 of greatest artists. Number 2 was Donna Summer, her studio producer was interviewed and said he had been greatly influenced by Kraftwerk. The interview then went into a black & white video clip of then performing Autobahn. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) concert classics Date: 13 Sep 1998 11:14:44 +0100 (BST) On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Jose Garcia wrote: > I'd say the concert is from the UK leg of the 1975 tour, so sometime > in September 1975. I think KW didn't own (or use) the Orchestron > during the US tour. Well, I'm only guessing, but my ears tell me those cheers in the audience have American accents! ;-) Also, they bought the Orchestron in America during the tour, so I its not wholly unfeasible that they would have started using it (rather than carry it around in a box with them!) > I also have the impression the order for the songs performed has been > changed. Mmmm... but since they were just performed live in those days (bar the occasional intro tape - for instance Autobahn (car door slam) and Kometenmelodie (Faust), they could easily change the set order as on a whim (or if something broke down on stage!)... Ralf *suggests* they play Kling Klang to the band, and (Wolfgang?) sounds pleasantly surprised. DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin Niedergesaess Subject: AW: (kw) New KW-song on compilation? Date: 13 Sep 1998 19:45:32 +0200 bad news - as usual: I asked a guy at the radio station "Bayrischer Rundfunk" if he=20 can confirm the release of a new kraftwerk song. He confirmed a new Spacenight CD for October but=20 unfortunatelly they didnt get a Kraftwerk Song. But there=20 will be (at least) a kraftwerk remix on the compilation. Martin p.s. "Bayrischer Rundfunk" is German TV-Station. During the night they show a lot of space pictures with Trance and Techno music in=20 the background. And every here and then the release a compilation=20 on CD http://www.spacenight.de > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Georg Jajus [mailto:Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at] > Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 9. September 1998 14:31 > An: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: (kw) New KW-song on compilation? >=20 >=20 > Kraftwerk News! According to the austrian magazine "Libro Journal" > 9/98, a brandnew Kraftwerk track will be released on a > "Spacenight"-compilation in autumn. >=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JT Subject: (kw) Bootleg item at CD Europe Date: 13 Sep 1998 14:41:34 -0400 Just curious, does anyone have any information about this item listed at the CD Europe web site: ================================================================== R217116 "Bootleg" Kraftwerk Vinyl Album $22.95 Label: mox music Release Date: 4/8/98 Country of Import: Holland Genre: house Original Record Number: 3MODEM Trackl istings for [R217116]: No Track listings available. ================================================================== Thanks. Kindest regards, -John PS. The Kraftwerk Utrecht 1981 MP3's at the ActiveK page will remain up for a few more days @ www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/activek.html ______________________________________________________________ The Electronica of Efofex - "All presets must die!" http://efofex.simplenet.com Join the f(x) mailing list! http://efofex.simplenet.com/mailinglist.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Barth" Subject: RE: (kw) Disco Inferno Date: 13 Sep 1998 21:48:42 +0200 Hi all, ] A documentary last night about 70's Disco music on Channel 4 (UK TV) ] featured a top 10 of greatest artists. Number 2 was Donna Summer, ] her studio ] producer was interviewed and said he had been greatly influenced by ] Kraftwerk. ... Let me guess... Giorgio Moroder? Erik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colin B." Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk MP3s Date: 13 Sep 1998 21:28:40 +0000 Hello all, I'm a relatively recent list member and being a little slow on the uptake have just tagged onto the wonder of mp3's and the Mac Amp (being an Apple Mac user). I've found the following two sites (http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/activek.html and http://website.lineone.net/~mike.pitt/mp3down.htm), but could anyone recommend me any other sites offering MP3's? Many thanks in advance. Colin B. ________________________________________ "Happiness is a byproduct of function in a battle context." (W.S.Burroughs) (ssssssshhhhhhhh...... she's asleep!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PITT Mike Subject: RE: (kw) Disco Inferno Date: 13 Sep 1998 21:11:00 +0100 Hi, Coincidentally, during the Learning Zone on BBC2 at around 04:00 Sunday a.m. A short feature on the evolution of hip-hop and rap was shown. During this , Arthur Baker was interviewed recalling how Trans-Europe Express influenced Planet Rock. The briefest of clips from the TEE video was shown. Mike. Kraftwerk Live 1981 and Cover Versions. http://website.lineone.net/~mike.pitt/tdk.htm New Update 15/09/98 - Radioactivity Suite. ---------- Hi all, ] A documentary last night about 70's Disco music on Channel 4 (UK TV) ] featured a top 10 of greatest artists. Number 2 was Donna Summer, ] her studio ] producer was interviewed and said he had been greatly influenced by ] Kraftwerk. ... Let me guess... Giorgio Moroder? Erik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gabiqua@mail.matav.hu (Tandi Gabor) Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #195 Date: 13 Sep 1998 22:46:52 GMT Hi All! On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:46:18 -0600, = owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) wrote: > But it would be very nice if anyone that owns it could confirm if it = has > TOUR DE FRANCE! That could be Tour De France. In some models you can preset whatever = melody you like (using the numbers), apart from the 10..30 melody preset by the = factory. -- hali: Gabiqua ---------------------------------------------------- | Tandi Gabor, | mailto:gabiqua@mail.matav.hu | | HUNGARY Paks | mailto:gabiqua@npp.hu | | Tel: 75/314-496 | ICQ UIN: 9004470 | ---------------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gabiqua@mail.matav.hu (Tandi Gabor) Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #195 Date: 13 Sep 1998 22:55:51 GMT Hi! On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:46:18 -0600, = owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) wrote: > I've heard about a new album of Electric Music: what's the name? It has no name. :-o Strange. The first one was 'EleKtric Music - Esperanto'. This second is = simply 'EleCtric Music'. p.s.: I think, this second album is not worth buying. :( # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patrik.Mattsson@emw.ericsson.se (Patrik Mattsson) Subject: Re: (kw) The Mobilephone call Date: 14 Sep 1998 08:37:37 +0200 Hello everyone This message is composed for those who owns "programmable" mobilephones. Personally I own a Ericsson 688, but I know that this works on the 768 and the 788 too. You can program melodies by using the keyboard. Every key has got it's own tone. I think that the maximum are 26 tones. This page contains alot of melodies (9 kraftwerk tunes)+ a Windows95 player so that you can listen to the tunes on your computer: http://home6.swipnet.se/~w-68997/ For the moment my mobilephone plays the chick melody "Telephone call". Isn't that appropriate...........;-) Patrik .'\ /`. .'.-.`-'.-.`. ..._: .-. .-. :_... .' '-.(o ) (o ).-' `. : _ _ _`~(_)~`_ _ _ : : /: ' .-=_ _=-. ` ;\ : : :|-.._ ' ` _..-|: : : `:| |`:-:-.-:-:'| |:' : `. `.| | | | | | |.' .' `. `-:_| | |_:-' .' `-._ ```` _.-' ``-------'' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fredrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4llman?= Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk and China? Date: 14 Sep 1998 10:19:39 +0200 Hello! A few questions from an old fan and also sinologist (sinology=3DChina studies). Emil Schult did study sinology in his early years but does anyone know more about this? For how long, did he go there, was he a Maoist...? What about Ralf and Florian? For me as a professional sinologist it is quite interesting to see some Chinese characters on Emil's artwork here and there, e.g. the "Ralf & Florian" comics but also on "Esperanto" by Elektric Music. Please give your good answers (?) fast since I am going to China again in a week and will leave the list for five weeks then and return under a new name (I recently got married, changed name and e-mail) in late October. By the way, to find traces of "the lads" in China is not easy. I bought an imported US cassette version of "The Man Machine" a few years ago in Beijing, that's all. They played in India and Japan, why not China - J-M Jarre was there in the early 80's?! =46redrik (Wouldn't you all like to see Florian pick up his flute again in a concert and go off in a breathy Ruckzuck??!!) PS. Kraftwerk were referred to as "the lads" by members of OMD in the 1980's when the groups met for the first time - read "Messages", the OMD biography if you haven't yet. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Holton Subject: (kw) For Sale Date: 14 Sep 1998 09:16:17 +0100 Pascal Bussys book 10 GBP Concert Classsics 10 GBP Email me privaletly it interested Price is inclusive of postage anywhere in the world Dave Holton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk and China? Date: 14 Sep 1998 10:21:25 +0100 i don't think they would be able to play china as the government said groups who played the free tibet festival would not be welcome there.although kw cancelled the night before, i presume they would be subject to the same ban... chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) The Mobilephone call Date: 14 Sep 1998 11:05:38 +0200 avellar@softhome.net wrote: >It's probably a NOKIA 6120 (or something like) digital cellular >mobilephone. >It appears to have more than 30 different musics, calculator, games >(?!?!!). It's the NOKIA 6110 or NOKIA 8110i (maybe something like in other states) - with these two (and maybe somethink like...) you can download ringing "melodies" from the NOKIA service center via the SMS-function, select and save your favourite ringing tone at your mobilephone. But I don't know if "Tour De France" is available - try out! It could also be the ERICSSON 788, with which you can "program" a ringing "melody" yourself, you just use the buttons like a keyboard. "...and when somebody's calling me, it plays Radioactivity..." Gruesse aus Wien, Georgie -- * Georg Jajus - Vienna - Austria * http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * SMS & phone: +436765621850 * "In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcafe, Direktverbindung TEE..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and China? Date: 14 Sep 1998 10:40:53 +0100 (BST) On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Fredrik [iso-8859-1] F=E4llman wrote: > Fredrik=09(Wouldn't you all like to see Florian pick up his flute again i= n a > concert and go off in a breathy Ruckzuck??!!) Absolutely. It'll never happen though... DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk and China? Date: 14 Sep 1998 14:40:16 +0200 (DFT) > i don't think they would be able to play china as the government said groups > who played the free tibet festival would not be welcome there. This was Milarepa propaganda, but the whole story was formally denied by the Chinese ambassy in Washington a couple of days later, so it appears that Kraftwerk are not actually banned in China. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and China? Date: 14 Sep 1998 14:43:24 +0200 (DFT) > For me as a professional sinologist it is quite interesting to see some > Chinese characters on Emil's artwork here and there, e.g. the "Ralf & > Florian" comics but also on "Esperanto" by Elektric Music. Another example is the album cover of Patrick O'Hearn's "Trust", with its Chinese-looking letters. Emil Schult is credited for "logo typeface design" on this album. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) concert classics Date: 14 Sep 1998 14:46:44 +0200 (DFT) > Ralf *suggests* they play Kling Klang to the band, and (Wolfgang?) > sounds pleasantly surprised. Doesn't he rather announce the title to the audience, in exactly the same way as on every other known recording from the 1975 tour which features this track? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Disco Inferno Date: 14 Sep 1998 14:48:07 +0200 (DFT) > A documentary last night about 70's Disco music on Channel 4 (UK TV) > featured a top 10 of greatest artists. Number 2 was Donna Summer, her studio > producer was interviewed and said he had been greatly influenced by > Kraftwerk. The interview then went into a black & white video clip of then > performing Autobahn. Was this the "standard" BBC "Tomorrow's World" snippet of Kraftwerk performing "Autobahn", or was it something different? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Another trademark affair? Date: 14 Sep 1998 14:54:49 +0200 (DFT) Found in the Mainpost, 12.09.1998: > Die Musik der 80er Jahre mit ihren Auspraegungen in > den Neuen Deutschen Welle soll eines der Markenzeichen des Kraftwerks > werden, das eine Betreibergesellschaft in der ehemaligen > Waffenfabrik Heym in Muennerstadt einrichten will. Der Name > Kraftwerk bezieht sich dabei auf eine sehr erfolgreiche Musikgruppe aus > Deutschland, die mit dem Lied Das Model einen Welthit landeten. Abstract: A company wants to open a "Kraftwerk" discotheque (?) in Muennerstadt, named after a "very successful music group from Germany". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk tour instruments Date: 14 Sep 1998 14:56:46 +0200 (DFT) > According to Doepfer website it seems KW have assistanced to develop > several modular sinthesizers and analogic sequencers from Doepfer. Where exactly on the DOEPFER website did you read this? AFAIK, there is only one DOEPFER modular synthesizer, so how can they pretend that Kraftwerk helped to develop "several"? And I think that DOEPFER is only stating that Kraftwerk helped to develop *one* module of the system (the Vocoder module), and not the system itself. Similarily, Kraftwerk helped to develop *one* analogue sequencer (the DOEPFER MAQ 16/3), and not "several". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Michael Rother concert Date: 14 Sep 1998 14:57:46 +0200 (DFT) Michael Rother and Dieter Moebius played last Friday (11.09.) at the "Tonhallenbuehne" (Rheinufer) in Duesseldorf, as the first part of the "Rheinwellen" opening concert for the "komm 98" fair. They appeared under the name of "Rother, Moebius & Gaeste" (Rother, Moebius & guests), but they performed as a trio, so there was only one "guest" on stage. They've played for one hour, and just one long track (or maybe it was a couple of tracks, but linked together). The style was different to the old Harmonia style, and also to Michael Rother's solo output, more electronic and techno-orientated, but still "ambient". Michael Rother didn't play guitar, but he occasionally triggered some (apparently pre-sampled) guitar sounds. The stage show was conventional. Wolfgang Fluer and Klaus Dinger were spotted in the audience. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Emil Schult @ MultiMediaMeile Duesseldorf Date: 14 Sep 1998 14:58:42 +0200 (DFT) One of the stalls at the 3rd MultiMediaMeile event in Duesseldorf last weekend (was it the Netzkraut stall?) used some paintings by Emil Schult for decoration. They've also showed his "Solare" video clip, and they had some promo flyers for his artwork, which is distributed by the Galerie Kontraste, Duesseldorf. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Komputer on Kraftwerk Date: 14 Sep 1998 14:59:44 +0200 (DFT) The current issue of Debug features an interview with Komputer, in which they talk about Kraftwerk: "Und warum schreiben sich Komputer mit K? Eine Hommage an Kraftwerk? 'Es sieht einfach viel netter aus", sagt David. [...] 'Es hat nichts mit Kraftwerk zu tun. Wir kopieren die auch nicht, sie sind zu faul, als dass man sich nach ihnen benennen koennte. Ein Album in zehn Jahren... ich bitte Dich, das ist indiskutabel. Vielleicht arbeiten wir an einer aehnlichen Idee.' [...]" Translation: "Why is Komputer spelled with a K? A Hommage to Kraftwerk? 'It simply looks nicer', says David. [...] 'It has nothing to do with Kraftwerk. We don't copy them, they're too lazy. One album in ten years is indiscutable. But maybe we're working on a similar idea.' [...]" Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Kraftwerk's (former?) US agent (was: (kw) sheet muzik)) Date: 14 Sep 1998 15:01:00 +0200 (DFT) > > Mr. I. Mouse is the company of Kraftwerk's (former?) US agent. > > I thought Kraftwerk have not (and hadn't) any manager or agent > ever. Check the credits on the cover of the "Trans Europe Express" album (US edition). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) "Terminus" Date: 14 Sep 1998 15:07:16 +0200 (DFT) I don't know if it is actually out, but the new Komputer single "Terminus" should have been released in Germany today. The catalogue number is INT 8860712. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Komputer on Kraftwerk Date: 14 Sep 1998 14:06:27 +0100 > Translation: > "Why is Komputer spelled with a K? A Hommage to Kraftwerk? 'It simply > looks nicer', says David. [...] 'It has nothing to do with Kraftwerk. > We don't copy them, they're too lazy. One album in ten years is > indiscutable. But maybe we're working on a similar idea.' [...]" > yeah, they would say that wouldn't they. I mean, if any of _you_ were so blatantly werk-esque, would you admit it? tribute bands, schmibute bands, grrrrrr...burn baby burn! Jules (yeah, i'm back) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) "Sunshine" Date: 14 Sep 1998 15:10:55 +0200 (DFT) The release of the next Electric Music single "Sunshine" is apparently imminent. The October issue of the German freebie magazine Notes features a review of this single, so promo copies seem to be already in circulation. It seems that we can expect an "Electro Mix", a "Dream Mix", an "Acoustic Mix", a "Single Mix" and a "Reprise". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: (kw) Kling Klang (concert classics) Date: 14 Sep 1998 09:11:10 EDT > Ralf *suggests* they play Kling Klang to the band, and (Wolfgang?) > sounds pleasantly surprised. Doesn't he rather announce the title to the audience, in exactly the same way as on every other known recording from the 1975 tour which features this track? -- I get the impression that this was more than an announcement... there is a questioning sort of sound in one of their voices and, if I'm not mistaken, the title is mentioned several times (as if it is a conversation between the members). Also, could Kling Klang be an "emergency" track to be played because of the evident technical problems ? "Ich blick da nicht durch" - as Wolfgang (?) says when he can't unscramble his cables on the drum pads. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) New Dinger-related German imports on Indigo Date: 14 Sep 1998 15:15:07 +0200 (DFT) Thomas Dinger's album "Fuer mich" (produced by Klaus Dinger) is now available as a German import via Indigo. Catalogue number: Captain Trip/Fuenfundvierzig/Indigo CD 8556-2). The debut CD of Klaus Dinger's proteges Die With Dignity, "Kraut", should be also soon available as a German import via Indigo (no catalogue number yet). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Mills Subject: (kw) Die Roboter (kinderspiel mix) Date: 14 Sep 1998 14:24:47 +0100 Do you know of the Kinderspiel mix of "Die Roboter" ? Do you know where it comes from ?? I keep asking this question but never get replies - is my email reaching anyone on the KW-ring ??? PAUL MILLS paulm@intercell.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Depeche Mode does Kraftwerk Date: 14 Sep 1998 15:36:10 +0200 (DFT) > I noticed that reference, too (I saw them on wednesday in Helsinki). Another Depeche Mode - Kraftwerk reference, found in The Guardian, 04.09.1998: [...] "The media won't help us," Gore moans later. [...] "They're just more respectful in Europe," adds Fletcher, whose Kraftwerk T-shirt pays homage to the band that inspired him to form Depeche Mode back in 1980 with Basildon schoolmates Gore, Gahan and Vince "now of Erasure" Clarke. [...] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) concert classics Date: 14 Sep 1998 14:55:25 +0100 (BST) On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > Doesn't he rather announce the title to the audience, in exactly the > same way as on every other known recording from the 1975 tour which > features this track? He does announce it to the audience over the microphone, yes, but this is preceded by a minute or two of Ralf's phaser going "SWIISSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIISSSSHHHHHHHIIIIIISSSSSSSSHHHHH", and (Wolfgang?) trying to get the drums to work (Ralf says to the audience "just one moment - there is a problem on the Electronik Drrum Kit..."). Ralf says to the band that he thought "Autobahn" was really good, and says something about spieling KlingKlang, I think,[sorry, my German is rubbish] and an eager boyish little voice (Karl's? ;-) goes "Ah! Klingklang!" as if it is a pleasant surprise.... ...however, quite whether this means they were in America or Britain at the time, I really wouldn't know ;-) DAVID # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: Re: (kw) concert classics Date: 14 Sep 1998 10:51:46 -0400 (EDT) > > Ralf *suggests* they play Kling Klang to the band, and (Wolfgang?) > > sounds pleasantly surprised. > > Doesn't he rather announce the title to the audience, in exactly the > same way as on every other known recording from the 1975 tour which > features this track? "...'n bisschen Kling Klang spielen, oder was?" [oder so?]? "Kling Klang ... jaja...jojo" "Ich weiss nicht, wie geht'es hier, ich blick nicht durch." "..jojo.." to audience: "Kling Klang." So they are discussing it for a moment. Und then, talking about Autobahn being OK despite the broken drums, "Autobahn war korrekt, glaub ich, ...korrekt and doch solide." und "Vernuenftig und trotzdem gediegen.", (is this some advertising slogan, or just BS?) the latter to the audience, after somebody in the background says it and suggests he say it at the audience. -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) concert classics (vernunft & gediegen) Date: 14 Sep 1998 11:03:29 EDT for Ralf to burble this monologue about Vernunft und Gediegenheit, would I be "well out of order" in suggesting he was either a) suffering an intense moment of introspection or b) stoned ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) concert classics (vernunft & gediegen) Date: 14 Sep 1998 16:30:23 +0100 (BST) On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: > for Ralf to burble this monologue about Vernunft und Gediegenheit, would I be > "well out of order" in suggesting he was either > a) suffering an intense moment of introspection > or > b) stoned ? I thought he was just German :-) What does it mean anyway? DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Komputer on Kraftwerk Date: 14 Sep 1998 16:32:31 +0000 At 2:59 pm +0200 14/9/98, Klaus Zaepke wrote: >The current issue of Debug features an interview with Komputer, >in which they talk about Kraftwerk: >"Why is Komputer spelled with a K? A Hommage to Kraftwerk? 'It simply >looks nicer', says David. [...] 'It has nothing to do with Kraftwerk. >We don't copy them, they're too lazy. One album in ten years is >indiscutable. But maybe we're working on a similar idea.' [...]" WHAT?! These clowns are beginning to annoy me. Next they'll be accusing Kraftwerk of plagiarising _them_! K(TM)evin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom807@aol.com Subject: (kw) Bootlegs Date: 14 Sep 1998 11:35:33 EDT I came across this site. Maybe others already know about it, but it's new to me. Only problem is it is in Japan, prices are in yen. The largest list of Kraftwerk bootlegs I've ever seen in one place. http://www.cd-gold.co.jp/ Click on the "boot" icon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Komputer on Kraftwerk Date: 14 Sep 1998 16:43:42 +0100 Kevin Busby wrote: > > WHAT?! These clowns are beginning to annoy me. > > Next they'll be accusing Kraftwerk of plagiarising _them_! > > K(TM)evin well said kev, it's about time somebody made comment on these infidel imposters! man should only worship the true image! :-P Jules! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: Re: (kw) concert classics (vernunft & gediegen) Date: 14 Sep 1998 12:12:05 -0400 (EDT) On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: > for Ralf to burble this monologue about Vernunft und Gediegenheit, would I be > "well out of order" in suggesting he was either > > a) suffering an intense moment of introspection No, it's BS to give folks something to iterpret about, like in (a) above. -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cgc" Subject: (kw) change @ kraftwerk.com Date: 14 Sep 1998 19:21:13 MET the worldmap on konzert3.html has changed. the new locations are now added on the map. Claudio Claudio G. Chiriatti e-mail:chir3301@uni-trier.de Civilization is the enemy of humanity the FluX of ideas the f l o w of notes... now and forever with pictures and words # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Vocoders Date: 14 Sep 1998 15:02:03 +0200 (DFT) The October issue of Sound on Sound contains an article about vocoders, complete with the inevitable unsubstantial Kraftwerk namedropping ("pioneers blah blah..."), plus an archive photo ("Man Machine" era). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: (kw) KW MODs going bye-bye Date: 14 Sep 1998 20:10:43 -0600 (MDT) I have some Kraftwerk-related music files (MOD, MID and S3M formats) on my web page, but I'm running short of space and will have to delete them soon. If anyone wants to grab them, go to my KW page at http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs/kw-refs.html and scroll down past the boring introduction. They're all ZIP-compressed even though it doesn't say so in the file list. I'll be deleting them this weekend. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: (kw) Argentina 1998! Date: 15 Sep 1998 02:25:13 +0300 Hello everybody! I'm very happy to tell that tickets started to be sold in Argentina since 14.SEPT.98 !! YES! YES! YES! P.S. I must admit that all of this came from the great werker Claudio =46alaschini, from Mar del Plata... MANY THANX, Claudio! (...) >Igualmente te mando una buena noticia: tengo la confirmaci=F3n de que >Kraftwerk toca en argentina!! :))))) >Ya est=E1n a la venta unas entradas aca en Mar del Plata. Voy a ir a la >agencia a comprar la mia (...) If there's any other brazilian list member (Nicolau unfortunatelly will not go!) that will go to Argentina like me, please contact me privately. best regards to all, AVELLAR. Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. * http://members.tripod.com/~AVELLAR - under construction! * mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anthony Glampson" Subject: (kw) Non Kraftwerk (Faithless) Date: 15 Sep 1998 12:33:04 +0100 Hi, If anyone on the list likes Faithless then there are 2 great sounding live mp3's at the following site. http://faithless-fan-page.home.ml.org Best Wishes, Anthony # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) New KW-song on compilation? Date: 15 Sep 1998 11:57:23 +0200 Fecha: miércoles 9 de septiembre de 1998 15:08 Georg Jajus wrote: > Kraftwerk News! According to the austrian magazine "Libro Journal" > 9/98, a brandnew Kraftwerk track will be released on a > "Spacenight"-compilation in autumn. > > Here we go (in german only): "Helau! Wartet irgendwer auf das erste > musikalische Lebenszeichen von Kraftwerk seit mehr als zehn Jahren? > Dann aufgepasst: Im Herbst soll eine Spacenight-Compilation mit einem > brandneuen Track der legendaeren Electronic-Pioniere erscheinen. Mit > dabei auch unveroeffentlichte Stuecke von Kruder & Dorfmeister und Sven > Vaeth". > > BTW: Kruder & Dorfmeister (two electronic guys from austria) played > also at Roskilde in June, and they also will perform these days at the > Ars Electronica (where Kraftwerk played in 1993) in Linz. > Kruder (aka Count Basic) & (Richard) Dorfmeister (aka Tosca) come from Vienna (Austria). Sven Väth directed the labels Harthouse (now closed) and Recycle Or Die, they were sublabels of Eye Q Musik Produktion GmbH founded by Sven Vaeth, Heinz Roth and Mathias Hoffman in 1991. The HQ were on Frankfurt with head offices on London and L.A. Sven Väth was a member of the band Off (with Snap!) and he was a dj resident in The Omen (Frankfurt). DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) electric music Date: 15 Sep 1998 12:37:49 +0200 Hi Andrew. You wrote: > where can i get a copy of the new electric music cd? i didn't even know it > existed and i can't find it at any stores here in Arizona or on the 'net. I've got ELECTRIC MUSIC / ELECTRIC MUSIC / CD 1998 // 1800 ptas. (£7.5 or 12$) (Karl Bartos, ex-Kraftwerk) to sell. Please mail me (or mail to csalvado@redestb.es) if you are interested in it. The record is new, in perfect state of conservation. To the total amount of the requested material, you must add: 250 pesetas (£1.1 or 1.6$) of expenses of post and packing. Plus 0.5 % commission post office. The posts will be on the following day made cash on delivery to the reception of the order, in wadding and plastic of bubbles envelope (air bag). Please indicate the post adress clearly. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) question: Sound quality of bootlegs CHECK Date: 15 Sep 1998 12:59:40 +0200 >Autobahn's chords deliciously "schweeiiooiing, swchwing, swching, swhing". :-) OK. That's great! I love it! It is a very good onomatopaeia from Autobahn. That is OK. Es una onomatopeya inmejorable de (para) Autobahn. I hope you won't take offence. ;-) OTOH, Anybody said that those sounds was recorded by KW directly from a travel by the highway? A propósito, alguien dijo alguna vez que esos sonidos fueron grabados por kw directamente de los ruidos de un viaje por una autopista? DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) ?name? Date: 15 Sep 1998 12:34:39 +0200 Hello. Christian wrote: >I've heard about a new album of Electric Music: what's the name? It is called simply "Electric Music". DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.brama.org # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Cabaret Voltaire Date: 15 Sep 1998 15:33:42 +0200 > can kraftwerkians recommend what cabaret voltaire cd's are worth > getting??? (sacriledge i know-but i have none! :_) > cheers > weld "Sacriledge" is not by CV but it is by Can. The record is a homage that contains many remixes of the German band's songs. >Fecha: lunes 7 de septiembre de 1998 15:55 >Paul Mills wrote: > I recommend the stuff they put out between 79 and 85 - the best releases > being: > > THE VOICE OF AMERICA > RED MECCA > 2X45 > THREE MANTRAS > MICROPHONIES > THE CRACKDOWN > > Enough to keep you going there, I reckon It is a very good recommendation, to which -if I can be allowed- I would add on Final Report. DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) The Mobilephone call Date: 15 Sep 1998 15:36:12 +0200 I wrote: > > >Hello! > > > >> The mobile phone of my brother's girlfriend plays a little melody (Tour > de > >> France) when you call it. > >> ;-) Sergio wrote: > > > >Erm..... Which model/brand is it? If I ever buy a mobile phone I will > >choose that one for sure :))) > > > >Greetings, Eduardo wrote: > It's probably a NOKIA 6120 (or something like) digital cellular > mobilephone. > It appears to have more than 30 different musics, calculator, games > (?!?!!). > > It's not small as the analog MOTOROLA STARTAC, but it has TOO MUCH more > functions! > The only problem is the price. In Brazil it's ca. US$ 700~800. > > But it would be very nice if anyone that owns it could confirm if it has > TOUR DE FRANCE! > Was it authorized?!?!?!?!???!! > The models can be Nokia 5110 or 6110. But the program to carry out the operation to insert a melody into the telephone functions it is not comercialized :-( And it is not a preset. This did it in one of the Departments of Nokia. My brother's girlfriend works there. DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.brama.org # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Lothar Manteuffel Date: 15 Sep 1998 15:45:42 +0200 Does anybody know what has happened with Lothar Manteuffel? What has been of him? Has he a solo music career? DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.brama.org # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk pic Date: 15 Sep 1998 15:37:18 +0200 Hi there, Eric Piscart wrote: > Denotes also that the belgian techno magazine's Out Soon (september issue) > contains a review (and a picture) of the Kraftwerk live act at Sonar 98. Is there an URL for this magazine? Can somebody, please, obtain a copy to me? DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.brama.org # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Classics Live Date: 15 Sep 1998 15:44:35 +0200 > Sorry for the stupid question, but I've been off the list for quite a > while: > What performance is "Concert Classics" CD taken from ? > Thanks. Concert Classics CD (and now LP) is a concert bootleg recorded somewhere in America in 1975 (Autobahn Tour). And it contains Komentenmelodie 1, Autobahn, Kling Klang and Tanzmusik [fades out half way!]. Althought the tracklist is: 1. Kometenmelodie (11:49), 2. Autobahn (21:54), 3. Morgenspaziergang part 1 (10:10), 4. Morgenspaziergang part 2 (4:16). In addition in spite of the credits (that mention Michael Rother) it is not so clear either that in the band was not already Karl Bartos, because was in 1975 (date of the recording we talking about) when he entered to comprise of Kraftwerk. If you want Concert Classics CD I can obtain it for you. The price (errors and omissions excepted) £10 (cash / International Money Order / Postal Order). You must add P&P. email me privately. Kindest regards. DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.brama.org # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Basskraft? Date: 15 Sep 1998 15:43:02 +0200 Fecha: viernes 11 de septiembre de 1998 4:37 Erik J. Eid wrote: > I picked it up on Tuesday when it came out in the U.S. Here's the vital > info: > > BASSKRAFT: A BASS TRIBUTE TO KRAFTWERK > Pandisc > PD8924-2 > > 1. Trans-Europe Express 8. Home Computer > 2. Autobahn 9. Tour de France > 3. It's More Fun to Compute 10. The Robots > 4. Musique Non-Stop 11. Computer Love > 5. Pocket Calculator 12. A Digital World > 6. Computer World 13. The Beat > 7. Numbers 14. Mega Mix > > The covers on Basskraft are very similar > to the originals, or the versions from "The Mix" for those that were on > that album. The drums are just louder in proportion to the rest of the > instruments. The three "new" tracks sample heavily from the eleven covers. Excuse me. Which are the covers? Can anyone say me from what country is this album? TIA. DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.brama.org # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: (kw) Cabaret Voltaire Date: 15 Sep 1998 17:23:41 +0200 Hi everybody! I'd like to know a description of the music of Cabaret Voltaire: electronic, ok, but what are the main characteristics of (his / their) music? And what about CAN? Sorry, I'm only 23..... :-) Thank you Didi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: RE: (kw) The Mobilephone call Date: 15 Sep 1998 12:37:12 +0300 At 15:36 +0200 15/09/1998, "Der Automat" wrote: >Eduardo wrote: >> It's probably a NOKIA 6120 (or something like) digital cellular >> mobilephone. >> It appears to have more than 30 different musics, calculator, games >> (?!?!!). >> But it would be very nice if anyone that owns it could confirm if it has >> TOUR DE FRANCE! >> Was it authorized?!?!?!?!???!! >The models can be Nokia 5110 or 6110. But the program to carry out the >operation to insert a melody >into the telephone functions it is not comercialized :-( >And it is not a preset. This did it in one of the Departments of Nokia. My >brother's girlfriend works there. So now everything is explained! What a nice hack! What a pitty that it can't be done on my analog startac... :-< best regards, AVELLAR. Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. * http://members.tripod.com/~AVELLAR - under construction! * mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: RE: (kw) Basskraft? Date: 15 Sep 1998 12:37:12 +0300 At 15:43 +0200 15/09/1998, "Der Automat" wrote: >Fecha: viernes 11 de septiembre de 1998 4:37 >Erik J. Eid wrote: >> I picked it up on Tuesday when it came out in the U.S. Here's the vital >> info: >> BASSKRAFT: A BASS TRIBUTE TO KRAFTWERK >> Pandisc >> PD8924-2 >> 1. Trans-Europe Express 8. Home Computer >> 2. Autobahn 9. Tour de France >> 3. It's More Fun to Compute 10. The Robots >> 4. Musique Non-Stop 11. Computer Love >> 5. Pocket Calculator 12. A Digital World >> 6. Computer World 13. The Beat >> 7. Numbers 14. Mega Mix >> The covers on Basskraft are very similar >> to the originals, or the versions from "The Mix" for those that were on >> that album. The drums are just louder in proportion to the rest of the >> instruments. The three "new" tracks sample heavily from the eleven >covers. > >Excuse me. Which are the covers? > >Can anyone say me from what country is this album? TIA. well, here goes all the info... BASSKRAFT: A BASS TRIBUTE TO KRAFTWERK PANDISC PD8924-2 PANDISC music corp - 6157 NW 167 ST #F-11 - Miami,FL 33015 - #305-557-1914 fax #305-557-9262 - http://www.pandisc.com/ ALL TRACKS produced by Robert Bartko and Ivan Kopas (?!?!?!) (C) 1998 Pandisc music corp The CD front cover is nice, an speaker sending waves and four human figures of green textures walking. Back cover is has a half green-texture/silver human figure - Artwork is credited to Aza Pitchenik ( mailto:aza@adelphia.net - very well done!). The back front cover is just the same as the front, but the 4 figures going to (and not from) the speaker, and on silver metal-look. On the back cover, you got the track list (as already listed) with some 'funny' statements: PANDISC MEANS BASS and WARNING! MEGA LOW BASS! MAY DAMAGE SPEAKERS! :-)) These even sound like a CD to test mega-power-bass car systems (I've seen something like this already). Anyway, the covers (tracks 1~11) are similar to The Mix versions and not so creative, almost all tracks cut to round 3-4mins - really pop oriented. It's by far inferior than the remixes on KRAFTY MOVE or other tribute/remix compilations. The vocals are disgusting (MY OPINION, sorry!), but some robo-voices (like those on 11.COMPUTER LOVE) were very well done. On 2.AUTOBAHN, the vocals are really disgusting, and it sounded to me "wie fahrn fahrn fahrn (this was ok, sorry for my wrong german!), of the AUTOBARN (?!?!)" ?? A very strange accent! Some tracks have direct KW samples, as on the begining of 3.IT'S MORE FUN TO COMPUTE,4.MUSIQUE NON-STOP, the entire begining of 8.HOME COMPUTER (some wrong notes on melody also, same on 11.COMPUTER LOVE). The lyrics on 9.TOUR THE FRANCE appeared to me also to be changed (I could not really understand on that guy's accent) About those 'mega-bass' stories, it sounded to me nothing special, just some very low senoidal waves used as a sub-sub bass, just that. Anyway, the 'best' tracks are 6.COMPUTER WORLD (try not to listen the human vocals!) and 7.NUMBERS (Very well done). Tracks 12. A DIGITAL WORLD and 13. THE BEAT appears to be original from Robert Bartko &/or Ivan Kopas - very repetitive, but acceptable - I've heard much worse ones already! Last track 14. MEGA MIX is just a remix containing many of the previous KW tracks - on a very DJ-fashion - those usual cuts and loops... If you can buy this CD for a good price and without much work, that's OK. It has a regular content, good produced/recorded, but it's not the best tribute/cover album. hope these infos helped! best regards to all, AVELLAR. Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. * http://members.tripod.com/~AVELLAR - under construction! * mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: (kw) Vinyl Care Date: 15 Sep 1998 08:31:52 PDT Werkers, I am terribly worried about some records I have. One of them(Computer World) has a split from the outside right up to the label. When it is placed on the platter, either side of the split can be levelled so when it is played there is no audible sign of damage. However, I worry. I worry about the possibility of it cracking even more, or simply getting more damaged as the years trundle on. I've considered superglue to stick it together but worry that the glue may squeezed out of the split and consequently damage the record, unrepairably, forever. I also recently acquired a luminous yellow/green 12" with 'neon lights' on one side and 'the model' and 'tee' on t'other. It's been rather badly cared for and has no cover, what-so-ever. When this record is held up to the light, it looks like microthin drops of wax have been evenly spread across the surface. I daren't use my nails to 'ease' them of, and an iron is, obviously, totally out of the question. (panic panic) Any ideas? cheersinadvance Matthew ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peeters Ivo" Subject: Re: (kw) Cabaret Voltaire Date: 15 Sep 1998 18:46:16 +0200 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Christian Di Sante Aan: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com Datum: dinsdag 15 september 1998 17:24 Onderwerp: (kw) Cabaret Voltaire > >Hi everybody! >I'd like to know a description of the music of Cabaret Voltaire: >electronic, ok, but what are the main characteristics of (his / their) >music? > Very difficult to describe. They started in 1974 with noisy soundscapes. In the 80's they evolved to more danceable new wave (cfr. New Order). In the 90's more techno and also ambient. >And what about CAN? Can started in 1968 with improvised music, heavily influenced by the avant-garde composer Karlheinz Stockhausen. Their music contains influences from jazz and ethnic music (percussion). This was only an attempt to give a short description. You should listen to them. Both are worth to check out. Regards, Ivo Peeters # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peeters Ivo" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk pic Date: 15 Sep 1998 18:58:10 +0200 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Der Automat Aan: Eric Piscart CC: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com Datum: dinsdag 15 september 1998 15:57 Onderwerp: (kw) Kraftwerk pic > >Hi there, > >Eric Piscart wrote: > >> Denotes also that the belgian techno magazine's Out Soon (september >issue) >> contains a review (and a picture) of the Kraftwerk live act at Sonar 98. > >Is there an URL for this magazine? www.amphion.be/outsoon The articles are not online! Ivo Peeters # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?1nJqYW4gRW5nc3Ry9m0=?=" Subject: (kw) KW fonts Date: 15 Sep 1998 20:14:15 +0200 Hi =20 Were can I find the kraftwerk fonts? I have found them on a homepage of = someone, but I can=B4t find them again =20 =D6rjan http://www.mds.mdh.se/~ing96oem # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "markus vidman" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Date: 15 Sep 1998 11:20:39 PDT Are Kraftwerk going to release a new album this winter? -Markus ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mallade" <0732240d01@cplus.es> Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk Date: 15 Sep 1998 21:48:58 +0200 >Are Kraftwerk going to release a new album this winter? > >-Markus Yes yes yes yes. No no no no. Yes yes yes yes. No no no no. mallade@abonados.cplus.es http://members.tripod.com/~mallade # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jimmy D. Pedersen" Subject: (kw) T-shirts / discography Date: 15 Sep 1998 21:32:19 +0200 Hi there everybody I'm rather new to the KW-list. I was at the concert in Roskilde (Denmark) this year, for my first KW concert ever and I must admit that it was an event that I'll remember for the next ten years. It was very simply put, a GRRRRREAT show. After the concert, "somebody" sold t-shirts with the name "Kraftwerk" and "www.kraftwerk.com" written on them. I was STUPID enough only to obtain 1 t-shirt and now I want them all, does anubody know a place, a firm, an URL or an E-mail adress where I could get more of these wonderful t-shirts ????? Secondly, Is there anyplace someone who maintains a (complete) discography ???? Thanks in advance Jimmy http://www.image.dk/~thejip # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Basskraft? Date: 15 Sep 1998 22:31:04 +0200 Well, as an old Werker, I don't recognize A Digital World, The Beat and = Mega Mix, so I'd bet a fair amount of money they'r the "covers"! ;}> /Joakim -----Original Message----- > 1. Trans-Europe Express 8. Home Computer > 2. Autobahn 9. Tour de France > 3. It's More Fun to Compute 10. The Robots > 4. Musique Non-Stop 11. Computer Love > 5. Pocket Calculator 12. A Digital World > 6. Computer World 13. The Beat > 7. Numbers 14. Mega Mix Excuse me. Which are the covers? DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk, what else :-) Date: 15 Sep 1998 20:32:56 +0000 Hi all, I'm a werker from Russia. Unfortunately, it's very hard to obtain Kraftwerk music on CDs/other media over here :-( Unfortunately, I had Electric Cafe ? Computer World on cassette only, which got too used by now. So I would be very grateful if anyone mailed me a site where I can download some Kraftwerk's mp3s... Maybe we can even exchange.. I understand, Kraftwerk deserves payment for their work, but $20CD + delivery costs to my region are too high for me. Also, I'm very interested in obtaining good quality live Kraftwerk's mp3s, especially from the latest Roskilde festival and new songs from Tribal_Gathering. Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Victor Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in Rio. Date: 15 Sep 1998 18:19:40 -0300 I placed in my homepage some photos of Rio de Janeiro, city where Kraftwerk will come on October 16, 1998. Click on Kraftwerk picture, Greetings. -- Victor Miranda vmiranda@urbi.com.br http://www.urbi.com.br/users/vmiranda # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pena Schmidt Subject: (kw) Vinyl Kare Date: 15 Sep 1998 19:36:03 -0300 Matthew Large wrote: > One of them(Computer World) has a split from the outside right up to the > label. When it is placed on the platter, either side of the split can be > levelled so when it is played there is no audible sign of damage. > considered superglue to stick it together but worry that the glue may > squeezed out of the split and consequently damage the record, > unrepairably, forever. 1) do a copy, the best you can (super needle to a DAT) 2) try to find someone that works with pre mastering - there is a lot of home workstations around - and burn a CD from the DAT. It is even possible to remove noises as scratches from the digital recording. 3) keep the record unplayed in a good carton LP cover, upright in a shelf. In a few years, technology to restore it ( copy to digital and to a playable format) will be everywhere and cheap. 4) don't think of glue near the record > > I also recently acquired a luminous yellow/green 12" it looks like microthin drops of wax have been evenly spread > across the surface. 1) could be some chemical used for making smoke in clubs - I've seen it already- if so they will get off with a clean cloth and warm water. Dont go near the paper label. 2)could be bad pressing stains, no use trying to clean them. 3) if they don't go away, copy the record as above To all: Keep your vinyl safe. It will be allways better than any digital made so far. Unless you don't notice. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: Re: (kw) Non Kraftwerk (Faithless) Date: 15 Sep 1998 21:06:58 -0600 -> If anyone on the list likes Faithless then there are 2 great sounding Check out the new cut, "God is a DJ" DJFRANKX http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/kw2000.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Erik Knain Subject: RE: (kw) Classics Live Date: 16 Sep 1998 09:32:19 +0200 At 15:44 15.09.98 +0200, you wrote: > >> Sorry for the stupid question, but I've been off the list for quite a >> while: >> What performance is "Concert Classics" CD taken from ? >> Thanks. > >Concert Classics CD (and now LP) is a concert bootleg recorded somewhere in >America in 1975 (Autobahn Tour). And it contains Komentenmelodie 1, >Autobahn, Kling Klang and Tanzmusik [fades out half way!]. Althought the >tracklist is: 1. Kometenmelodie (11:49), 2. Autobahn (21:54), 3. >Morgenspaziergang part 1 (10:10), 4. Morgenspaziergang part 2 (4:16). Is the third song really Kling Klang? I know that someone (Hutter) says something about "Kling Klang spielen" in the previous (facinating) in-between, but the song sounds like a version of Kristallo from "Ralph & Florian" to me. INTERPOLUNDDEUTSCHEBANKFBIUNDSCOTLANDYARDFINANZAMTUNDDASBKAHABENUNSEREDATENDA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW fonts Date: 16 Sep 1998 05:06:01 EDT i think mS-Publisher comes with OCR Extended, which pretty closely mirrors the font on Computer World Hey... whyntcha check it out at www.mamboscope.com/contents.html Sorry, werkers, another BLATANT PLUG ! While you're there check out my Real Audio of two great electro-goth trax. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk Date: 16 Sep 1998 13:45:07 +0100 maybe.perhaps. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RV: (kw) question: Sound quality of bootlegs Date: 16 Sep 1998 15:35:29 +0200 DER AUTOMAT ® ---------- > De: Der Automat > A: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Asunto: RE: (kw) question: Sound quality of bootlegs CHECK > Fecha: martes 15 de septiembre de 1998 12:59 > > >Autobahn's chords deliciously "schweeiiooiing, swchwing, swching, swhing". :-) OK. That's great! I love it! It is a very good onomatopaeia superb for Autobahn. That is OK. I hope you won't take offence. ;-) OTOH, somebody said sometimes that those sounds were recorded by KW directly of the noises of a trip by a freeway? DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: Re: (kw) Depeche Mode does Kraftwerk Date: 16 Sep 1998 15:43:09 +0200 On "The Model" it merge all the techno-pop stereotypes granted with exuberance by spurious descendants like Depeche Mode (David Gahan, Martin L. Gore, Andy Fletcher) -from Basildon, Essex- in general, and the ex-member Alan Wilder (now in Recoil) in particular, they said to be influenced by KRAFTWERK, mainly in their early years. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) (off topic) JMJ birthday Date: 16 Sep 1998 14:25:51 +0200 Jean-Michel Jarre cumplió medio siglo de vida, y este cumpleaños coincidió con la celebración de la cuarta convención sobre el músico en UK. El certamen JarreCon'98, que tuvo lugar en Manchester el domingo 23 de agosto, fue organizado por Natural Image Productions, que ya se encargó de organizar las tres anteriores convenciones. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: Kraftwerk's (former?) US agent (was: (kw) sheet muzik)) Date: 16 Sep 1998 10:35:33 +0200 > > > Mr. I. Mouse is the company of Kraftwerk's (former?) US agent. > > > > I thought Kraftwerk have not (and hadn't) any manager or agent > > ever. > > Check the credits on the cover of the "Trans Europe Express" album > (US edition). Thanks for the info. But unfortunately I have not this album edition. :,-( DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Depeche Mode does Kraftwerk Date: 16 Sep 1998 10:38:35 +0200 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > Another Depeche Mode - Kraftwerk reference, found in The Guardian, > 04.09.1998: > > [...] > "The media won't help us," Gore moans later. [...] > "They're just more respectful in Europe," adds Fletcher, whose Kraftwerk > T-shirt pays homage to the band that inspired him to form Depeche Mode > back in 1980 with Basildon schoolmates Gore, Gahan and Vince "now of > Erasure" Clarke. > [...] What T-shirt do you refer? DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) concert classics Date: 16 Sep 1998 15:27:48 +0200 What do you write (Wolfgang?) and (Karl's?)? I think they are really in this performance. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk and China? Date: 16 Sep 1998 15:38:51 +0200 Fredrik Fällman wrote: > PS. Kraftwerk were referred to as "the lads" by members of OMD in the > 1980's when the groups met for the first time - read "Messages", the OMD > biography if you haven't yet. Does anyone know how to get -on Internet- this OMD's biography? >(I recently got married, changed name and e-mail). Congratulations! I hope you will be happy! DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk tour instruments Date: 16 Sep 1998 15:39:56 +0200 I wrote: > > According to Doepfer website it seems KW have assistanced to develop > > several modular sinthesizers and analogic sequencers from Doepfer. Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > Where exactly on the DOEPFER website did you read this? AFAIK, there > is only one DOEPFER modular synthesizer, so how can they pretend > that Kraftwerk helped to develop "several"? > And I think that DOEPFER is only stating that Kraftwerk helped to > develop *one* module of the system (the Vocoder module), and not the > system itself. > Similarily, Kraftwerk helped to develop *one* analogue sequencer (the > DOEPFER MAQ 16/3), and not "several". > I read in Future Music num.17 (Spanish editing). Perhaps the information is mistaken, this is habitual in this magazine. :-! KRAFTWERK have been involved to some extent in the design of an Analogue/MIDI Sequencer, the MAQ 16/3 by Doepfer, in which press anouncement it's can read "designed in cooperation with the German band Kraftwerk". The Company were responsible for the construction of Ralf's mini keyboard, as used during the live renditions of "Pocket Calculator", and other items, amongst which is a MOGLI MIDI glove, which was debuted by the band at the Linz concert. It can be added that the German music press reports that there has been some futher, though undetailed, KRAFTWERK involvement in another new Doepfer instrument, el MS 404. As well as a short favourable review on page 45 of the magazine, Florian Schneider has also contributed a recording made with the equipment which is featured on the CD that accompanies the magazine. The "vocoder poem" tone itself is rather lyrical and easily comparable to the style you would find on the "Radioactivity" LP. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Komputer on Kraftwerk Date: 16 Sep 1998 15:31:18 +0200 > At 2:59 pm +0200 14/9/98, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > >The current issue of Debug features an interview with Komputer, > >in which they talk about Kraftwerk: > > >"Why is Komputer spelled with a K? A Hommage to Kraftwerk? 'It simply > >looks nicer', says David. [...] 'It has nothing to do with Kraftwerk. > >We don't copy them, they're too lazy. One album in ten years is > >indiscutable. But maybe we're working on a similar idea.' [...]" And Kevin Busby wrote: > WHAT?! These clowns are beginning to annoy me. > > Next they'll be accusing Kraftwerk of plagiarising _them_! Ha, ha! Yes. I agree with you. Jules Seifert wrote: > well said kev, it's about time somebody made comment on these infidel > imposters! > > man should only worship the true image! Maybe does Komputer ask for to be sued for plagiarism?! I think the Komputer's music has remained obsolete nothing else to be born. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: RV: (kw) question: Sound quality of bootlegs Date: 16 Sep 1998 09:53:07 EDT The sounds in question are clearly analogue synths. German Autobahns invariably sound more MURDEROUS than KW ever could. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: RE: (kw) Classics Live Date: 16 Sep 1998 10:28:07 -0400 (EDT) > America in 1975 (Autobahn Tour). And it contains Komentenmelodie 1, Kometenmelodie 1 + 2. 2 starts at about 4:30 into the track. As opposed to KW 2, which I bought at the same time just now, and which is, well, rather strange, this live CD is quite entertaining, vernuenftig, aber gediegen :) What are the chances that Ralf und Florian are really releasing these 'bootlegs' little by little and having a grand old time watching people scramble and overpay wildly to get these occasional tidbits? (I certainly would if I was them >:) -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PITT Mike Subject: (kw) Tour De Kraft update Date: 16 Sep 1998 07:53:00 +0100 Hi, New updates from the 1981 tour are; =A0 Radioactivity The Voice of Energy Uranium Die Sonne, Die Monde, Die Sterne=A0 Ohm Sweet Ohm. =A0 Enjoy, and thanks for the support! =A0 Mike. Kraftwerk Live 1981 and Cover Versions. http://website.lineone.net/~mike.pitt/tdk.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Kling Klang (concert classics) Date: 16 Sep 1998 09:50:48 +0200 > "Ich blick da nicht durch" - as Wolfgang (?) says when he can't unscramble=20 > his > cables on the drum pads. What is the meaning of "Ich blick da nicht durch"? DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KL Subject: (kw) re: non KW - almost Date: 16 Sep 1998 07:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Greetings all: 2 more test songs for a future release are now available via mono real audio on my website along with the entire new album "Technik" dedicated to Ralf & Florian. contact me directly if interested in a CD copy... If you DJ on radio or in a club, please contact me with your information, if you enjoy what you hear... Thank you, KL http://www.kevinlux.simplenet.com == http://www.kevinlux.simplenet.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) KW interviews Date: 16 Sep 1998 16:29:33 +0200 Nicolau Centola wrote: >I translated Ralf's speaks and put them at my page: > >http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html Please, under which point on the map can Ralf´s speaks be found ? Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Kling Klang (concert classics) Date: 16 Sep 1998 17:31:55 +0200 Word by word: "I can not look through that" Better english(?): "I don't fully understand that" /Joakim -----Original Message----- What is the meaning of "Ich blick da nicht durch"? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ICalder Subject: (kw) Review of 'From Duesseldorf to the Future (With Love)' book Date: 16 Sep 1998 16:38:17 -0400 It doesn't seem to have been mentioned in any recent digests, so here is some brief info on the new biography of Kraftwerk by Tim Barr, 'From Duesseldorf to the Future (With Love)'. The introductory section dwells upon Kraftwerk's significance within the wider scope of the pop music history of the last half-century or so. In general, the book does lean towards the significance of Kraftwerk's influence upon dance music cultur= e in particular, primarily the American hip-hop, electro and techno movements. This is certainly more robustly covered than in Pascal Bussy's= tome, though as Barr is currently the editor of 'Future Music' magazine a= nd has written extensively on the dance music genre in general, it should be= no surprise perhaps. The following chapter also deals with the band's appearance at last year's 'Tribal gathering' event in some detail, placin= g into perspective the length of time (a matter of years) that the events promoters had attempted to persuade Kraftwerk to partake in a live appearance. = As has been pointed out in reviews in the music press (principally in 'Th= e Wire' and 'Mojo' magazines) Barr has had no access to Huetter or Schneide= r themselves so there is no new material from either source. There is new interview material from Wolfgang Fluer (much already printed in the 'Futu= re Music' article from a few months back). There is certainly an extensive recollection from Fluer of Kraftwerk's stay in India during1981 for their= concerts in Bombay that is an entertaining insight into the dubious succe= ss of that particular venture. Interview material with Karl Bartos is also present, which appeared earlier this year in the extensive 'Sound On Soun= d' interview. = Similar to the 'Man, Machine and Music' book, there is a small selection = of black and white photographs included as plates within the centre of the book. A number of these were published in colour in the issue of 'Future Music' referred to previously. Yet more are unreleased. It's a nice littl= e selection actually. Fluer is pictured outside the entrance of the Kraftwe= rk communal home from the early 70s-1981 at 9 Bergerallee, Duesseldorf. Significantly, a number of the previously unpublished photos are from Wolfgang Fluer's own private collection, including one of himself, Huette= r and Schneider and their (then) US manager Ira Blacker (of Mr. I Mouse Management) pictured in jovial circumstances while dining at a New York restaurant, early 1975. = There's quite an amusing anecdote regarding some flash bit of musical kit= that Kraftwerk were interested in purchasing (I don't have the details to= hand at present though). Apparently Florian Schneider had the nerve to as= k for a discount mentioning that "after all we are Kraftwerk". I can look o= ut the complete section if anyone is interested, it's an amusing diversion. There are also portions that were originally featured in Aktivitaet fanzine, principally the transcript of a 1991 interview with Ralf Huetter= originally printed in KLEM magazine. As noted in the previous reviews, there is no access to Kraftwerk themselves so hard and fast information on what exactly lies ahead is absent, save for guesswork. As for the books availability, I can certainly vouch that Waterstone's in= Guildford had two copies. That's down to one now however. :-) = Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk and China? Date: 16 Sep 1998 15:38:51 +0200 Fredrik Fällman wrote: > PS. Kraftwerk were referred to as "the lads" by members of OMD in the > 1980's when the groups met for the first time - read "Messages", the OMD > biography if you haven't yet. Does anyone know how to get -on Internet- this OMD's biography? >(I recently got married, changed name and e-mail). Congratulations! I hope you will be happy! DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) (off topic) JMJ birthday Date: 16 Sep 1998 14:25:51 +0200 Jean-Michel Jarre cumplió medio siglo de vida, y este cumpleaños coincidió con la celebración de la cuarta convención sobre el músico en UK. El certamen JarreCon'98, que tuvo lugar en Manchester el domingo 23 de agosto, fue organizado por Natural Image Productions, que ya se encargó de organizar las tres anteriores convenciones. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk tour instruments Date: 16 Sep 1998 15:39:56 +0200 I wrote: > > According to Doepfer website it seems KW have assistanced to develop > > several modular sinthesizers and analogic sequencers from Doepfer. Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > Where exactly on the DOEPFER website did you read this? AFAIK, there > is only one DOEPFER modular synthesizer, so how can they pretend > that Kraftwerk helped to develop "several"? > And I think that DOEPFER is only stating that Kraftwerk helped to > develop *one* module of the system (the Vocoder module), and not the > system itself. > Similarily, Kraftwerk helped to develop *one* analogue sequencer (the > DOEPFER MAQ 16/3), and not "several". > I read in Future Music num.17 (Spanish editing). Perhaps the information is mistaken, this is habitual in this magazine. :-! KRAFTWERK have been involved to some extent in the design of an Analogue/MIDI Sequencer, the MAQ 16/3 by Doepfer, in which press anouncement it's can read "designed in cooperation with the German band Kraftwerk". The Company were responsible for the construction of Ralf's mini keyboard, as used during the live renditions of "Pocket Calculator", and other items, amongst which is a MOGLI MIDI glove, which was debuted by the band at the Linz concert. It can be added that the German music press reports that there has been some futher, though undetailed, KRAFTWERK involvement in another new Doepfer instrument, el MS 404. As well as a short favourable review on page 45 of the magazine, Florian Schneider has also contributed a recording made with the equipment which is featured on the CD that accompanies the magazine. The "vocoder poem" tone itself is rather lyrical and easily comparable to the style you would find on the "Radioactivity" LP. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: Kraftwerk's (former?) US agent (was: (kw) sheet muzik)) Date: 16 Sep 1998 10:35:33 +0200 > > > Mr. I. Mouse is the company of Kraftwerk's (former?) US agent. > > > > I thought Kraftwerk have not (and hadn't) any manager or agent > > ever. > > Check the credits on the cover of the "Trans Europe Express" album > (US edition). Thanks for the info. But unfortunately I have not this album edition. :,-( DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) concert classics Date: 16 Sep 1998 15:27:48 +0200 What do you write (Wolfgang?) and (Karl's?)? I think they are really in this performance. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: Re: (kw) Depeche Mode does Kraftwerk Date: 16 Sep 1998 15:43:09 +0200 On "The Model" it merge all the techno-pop stereotypes granted with exuberance by spurious descendants like Depeche Mode (David Gahan, Martin L. Gore, Andy Fletcher) -from Basildon, Essex- in general, and the ex-member Alan Wilder (now in Recoil) in particular, they said to be influenced by KRAFTWERK, mainly in their early years. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: RE: (kw) Classics Live Date: 16 Sep 1998 10:28:07 -0400 (EDT) > America in 1975 (Autobahn Tour). And it contains Komentenmelodie 1, Kometenmelodie 1 + 2. 2 starts at about 4:30 into the track. As opposed to KW 2, which I bought at the same time just now, and which is, well, rather strange, this live CD is quite entertaining, vernuenftig, aber gediegen :) What are the chances that Ralf und Florian are really releasing these 'bootlegs' little by little and having a grand old time watching people scramble and overpay wildly to get these occasional tidbits? (I certainly would if I was them >:) -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Komputer on Kraftwerk Date: 16 Sep 1998 15:31:18 +0200 > At 2:59 pm +0200 14/9/98, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > >The current issue of Debug features an interview with Komputer, > >in which they talk about Kraftwerk: > > >"Why is Komputer spelled with a K? A Hommage to Kraftwerk? 'It simply > >looks nicer', says David. [...] 'It has nothing to do with Kraftwerk. > >We don't copy them, they're too lazy. One album in ten years is > >indiscutable. But maybe we're working on a similar idea.' [...]" And Kevin Busby wrote: > WHAT?! These clowns are beginning to annoy me. > > Next they'll be accusing Kraftwerk of plagiarising _them_! Ha, ha! Yes. I agree with you. Jules Seifert wrote: > well said kev, it's about time somebody made comment on these infidel > imposters! > > man should only worship the true image! Maybe does Komputer ask for to be sued for plagiarism?! I think the Komputer's music has remained obsolete nothing else to be born. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Depeche Mode does Kraftwerk Date: 16 Sep 1998 10:38:35 +0200 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > Another Depeche Mode - Kraftwerk reference, found in The Guardian, > 04.09.1998: > > [...] > "The media won't help us," Gore moans later. [...] > "They're just more respectful in Europe," adds Fletcher, whose Kraftwerk > T-shirt pays homage to the band that inspired him to form Depeche Mode > back in 1980 with Basildon schoolmates Gore, Gahan and Vince "now of > Erasure" Clarke. > [...] What T-shirt do you refer? DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: RV: (kw) question: Sound quality of bootlegs Date: 16 Sep 1998 09:53:07 EDT The sounds in question are clearly analogue synths. German Autobahns invariably sound more MURDEROUS than KW ever could. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RV: (kw) question: Sound quality of bootlegs Date: 16 Sep 1998 15:35:29 +0200 DER AUTOMAT ® ---------- > De: Der Automat > A: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Asunto: RE: (kw) question: Sound quality of bootlegs CHECK > Fecha: martes 15 de septiembre de 1998 12:59 > > >Autobahn's chords deliciously "schweeiiooiing, swchwing, swching, swhing". :-) OK. That's great! I love it! It is a very good onomatopaeia superb for Autobahn. That is OK. I hope you won't take offence. ;-) OTOH, somebody said sometimes that those sounds were recorded by KW directly of the noises of a trip by a freeway? DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) KW interviews Date: 16 Sep 1998 16:29:33 +0200 Nicolau Centola wrote: >I translated Ralf's speaks and put them at my page: > >http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html Please, under which point on the map can Ralf´s speaks be found ? Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: Re: (kw) Non Kraftwerk (Faithless) Date: 16 Sep 1998 19:20:21 -0600 Its actually a live studio recording and not a new cut Yes, I know.....but is a new release as a promo stateside (numerous remixes) and number two on US Billboard and with bullets on other dance charts. >> DJFRANKX >> http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/kw2000.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: Sv: (kw) (off topic) JMJ birthday Date: 17 Sep 1998 8:58:36 +0100 VAD FAN PRATAR DU OM? ___________________________________________________________________________= ____ _ Fr=E5n: automat@nexo=2Ees tor 17 sep 1998 08=2E51 Ang=E5ende: (kw) (off topic) JMJ birthday Till: Allers, Johan Andersson; kraftwerk@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom Bilagor: ENVELOPE=2ETXT - Jean-Michel Jarre cumpli=F3 medio siglo de vida, y este cumplea=F1os coinci= di=F3 con la celebraci=F3n de la cuarta convenci=F3n sobre el m=FAsico en UK=2E E= l certamen JarreCon'98, que tuvo lugar en Manchester el domingo 23 de agosto, fue organizado por Natural Image Productions, que ya se encarg=F3 de organizar las tres anteriores convenciones=2E DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom=2E # To post, email kraftwerk@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom; replies go to original s= ender=2E # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web=2Ebham=2Eac=2Euk/busbykg/kraftw= erk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk's New Forum Date: 17 Sep 1998 08:20:10 +0000 Hi Werkers, I've created a Kraftwerk's Forum (or Message Board) here: http://apps.vantagenet.com/aforums/thread2.asp?id=1998916131159 It has many features and it's for FREE. You can use it to discuss anything about Kraftwerk. It is very easy to use and you can include HTML code inside the messages, which means that you can post links, images or whatever you imagine inside the messages. It also can notify automatically anybody by email if there is any response to her/his message. I'm offering myself to maintain the site for free (well, it has minimum maintenance anyway). We only will have to "suffer" some advertisements on the header of the page, but that's all. I've customized the page to a nice "radioactive" look, i hope you like it. cya, -Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Erik Knain Subject: RE: (kw) Komputer on Kraftwerk Date: 17 Sep 1998 09:37:36 +0200 I think, from the recent comments, that Komputer is seriously misunderstood. First, it is obvious for all that they have stolen the whole concept from Kraftwerk; that is, the sound, the album concept (the music is created in "the lab"), the artwork, and the titles. (Next Sunday I will attent a concert in Oslo to see their stage appearance.) So, since the origion of their concept is so obvious, their comment that 'It has nothing to do with Kraftwerk' cannot be taken seriously; I think they are joking. Furthermore; their pastiche of Kraftwerk is very well done. I really like their record, especially 'Valentina' and 'The perfect pop band'. It is melodic and it is intelligent use of Kraftwerk's sounds. I see the record as a tribute to Kraftwerk, not a mockery. Erik At 15:31 16.09.98 +0200, Der Automat wrote: > we're working on a similar idea.' [...]" > >And Kevin Busby wrote: > >> WHAT?! These clowns are beginning to annoy me. >> >> Next they'll be accusing Kraftwerk of plagiarising _them_! > >Ha, ha! Yes. I agree with you. > >Jules Seifert wrote: >> well said kev, it's about time somebody made comment on these infidel >> imposters! >> >> man should only worship the true image! > >Maybe does Komputer ask for >to be sued for plagiarism?! I think the Komputer's music has remained >obsolete nothing else to be born. > > INTERPOLUNDDEUTSCHEBANKFBIUNDSCOTLANDYARDFINANZAMTUNDDASBKAHABENUNSEREDATENDA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) I got the ticket! Date: 17 Sep 1998 05:29:15 -0300 Tickets for Kraftwerk concerts in Brazil are available!! See my page to more info: http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html You can see a scan of Sao Paulo ticket too... They sold about 500 tickets from 4000 in one and half hour... peace Nicolau # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Yamo 12" single Date: 17 Sep 1998 05:38:37 -0300 Today I bought a Yamo 12"single A Guiding Ray (bionaut rmx) 4:25 Guiding Ray (original) 7:26 B dr. ug. ly (club mix) 5:22 Naked Japanese (original) 4:33 Stereomatic (bionaut rmx) 4:35 Mosquito (s. baltes mix) 3:40 Produced by W. Fl=FCr, Andy Thoma, Jan Werner & Michael Grund Music by W. Fl=FCr, Andy Thoma, Jan Werner & Michael Grund Words by W. Fl=FCr except Guiding Ray by Fl=DAr/Wilkinson and Stereomatic additional lyrics by Donna regina 1997 EMI Electrola GmbH 24388 46696 Nice remixes... Nicolau # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Yamo 12"single 2 Date: 17 Sep 1998 05:42:43 -0300 Ops, sorry... the name of the Yamo single is Musica Obscura... Nicolau # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Bryant Subject: (kw) CAN Date: 17 Sep 1998 11:21:29 +0100 If you're interested..... Suggested Can albums for your delectation (In Chronological Order) Soundtracks Tago Mago Ege Bamyasi Future Days Paul ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION ** This message is intended only for the use of the person(s) ("the Intended Recipient") to whom it is addressed. It may contain information which is privileged and confidential within the meaning of applicable law. Accordingly any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message or any of its contents by any person other than the Intended Recipient may constitute a breach of civil or criminal law and is strictly prohibited. If you are not the Intended Recipient please contact the sender and dispose of this email as soon as possible. If in doubt contact the Tibbett & Britten Group Network Administration Department on 01707 391010 (UK). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: RE: (kw) Classics Live Date: 17 Sep 1998 11:32:46 +0100 (BST) On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Erik Knain wrote: > > Is the third song really Kling Klang? I know that someone (Hutter) says > something about "Kling Klang spielen" in the previous (facinating) > in-between, but the song sounds like a version of Kristallo from "Ralph & > Florian" to me. As with many early Kraftwerk pieces, Kling Klang is more of a framework for improvisation rather than a "song" with a definate chord progression, formal AABABB... structure, etc. So, it's not surprising that 3 years later, with a different line-up, it sounds a lot different to the version Ralf/Florian/Conny Plank recorded in the studio. They do both start in the same key, you'll note, however. In the same way, "Truckstop Gondelero", aka "Vor dem Blauen Bock", is really just a live version of "Stratovarious". I mean, a score for this piece wouldn't go verse | C | Dm | F | G | chorus|: Em | Em \ Bm| Bm :| or whatever, it would be more like 'Do some strange up & down sound effects Everyone noodle along in a Mixolydian mode in G, starting slow then getting faster & faster till you blow up ...repeat for as long as the audience will let you get away with...' DAVE ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: RV: (kw) question: Sound quality of bootlegs Date: 17 Sep 1998 11:36:49 +0100 (BST) On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Der Automat wrote: > OTOH, somebody said sometimes that those sounds were recorded by KW > directly of the noises of a trip by a freeway? Well, that person must be rather charmingly naive ;-) They sound distinctly like Ralf & Florian playing the chords on a Farfisa organ, and ARP Odyssey (duophonic... or is it a miniMoog with the oscillators tuned a third apart?), and slapping it through a phaser. I doubt very much ever nice Volkswagens & Mercedes engined on the Autobahn manage to make sounds *quite* that tuneful... ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: RE: (kw) concert classics Date: 17 Sep 1998 11:48:12 +0100 (BST) On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Der Automat wrote: > What do you write (Wolfgang?) and (Karl's?)? > I think they are really in this performance. Yes, they are most definately there (not Klaus Roeder)... I just meant I wasn't sure which one was speaking DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: RE: (kw) Komputer on Kraftwerk Date: 17 Sep 1998 13:45:47 +0000 At 9:37 am +0200 17/9/98, Erik Knain wrote: >I think, from the recent comments, that Komputer is seriously misunderstood. > >First, it is obvious for all that they have stolen the whole concept from >Kraftwerk; that is, the sound, the album concept (the music is created in >"the lab"), the artwork, and the titles. (Next Sunday I will attent a >concert in Oslo to see their stage appearance.) So, since the origion of >their concept is so obvious, their comment that 'It has nothing to do with >Kraftwerk' cannot be taken seriously; I think they are joking. True, copying "the sound, the album concept, the artwork and the titles" indicates this. But if they have to copy the melodies as well, who is the joke on? >Furthermore; their pastiche of Kraftwerk is very well done. I really like >their record, especially 'Valentina' and 'The perfect pop band'. It is >melodic and it is intelligent use of Kraftwerk's sounds. I see the record >as a tribute to Kraftwerk, not a mockery. Sure, so do I. But, IMAO, it's often a very unimaginative tribute. My rant at Komputer was tongue-in-cheek, I've nothing against them (other than descrating 'Neon Lights'! :-) ). I just wish they were a bit more entertaining - musically, and in their answers to interview questions. It would have been more amusing if they _had_ accused Kraftwerk of ripping them off. Or if they'd denied ever having heard them (although a lot of techno artists have tried this line, I suppose...). Personally I hear talent being wasted, probably due to laziness.* No offence intended, Erik; hope the concert goes well. Kevin * PS Aha! Now I understand Komputer's parody. :-D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Review of 'From Duesseldorf to the Future (With Love)' Date: 17 Sep 1998 13:56:39 +0000 At 4:38 pm -0400 16/9/98, ICalder wrote: >It doesn't seem to have been mentioned in any recent digests, so here is >some brief info on the new biography of Kraftwerk by Tim Barr, 'From >Duesseldorf to the Future (With Love)'. The subject has come up in passing a couple of times (& even gets a brief mention in the FAQ now) but not in detail, so thanks for the information. >There's quite an amusing anecdote regarding some flash bit of musical kit >that Kraftwerk were interested in purchasing (I don't have the details to >hand at present though). Apparently Florian Schneider had the nerve to ask >for a discount mentioning that "after all we are Kraftwerk". I can look out >the complete section if anyone is interested, it's an amusing diversion. Imagine being able to say to a salesman "We are Kraftwerk". Or to anyone, really. :-D >As noted in the previous reviews, there is no access to Kraftwerk >themselves so hard and fast information on what exactly lies ahead is >absent, save for guesswork. I'm not quite sure whether you regard the book as a good buy for most fans of the group. Does the good outweigh the bad? Is there anything truly "bad" about the book (I'm sure you'd have mentioned if it contained many errors). Cheers Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Komputer on Kraftwerk Date: 17 Sep 1998 09:10:42 EDT It is unfortunate for Komputer that they have to hail from darn sarf. Half of the charm (not to say humour) in KW comes from the fact that they continually hail Duesseldorf as the center of the universe, when all it is is... erm... a provincial backwater. Looking Down on London just can't can't match KW's innate sense of bathos. Perhaps "Looking down on Surbiton, Welwyn Garden City or Basingstoke" may have done the trick. Keep trying guys. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RV: (kw) (off topic) JMJ birthday Date: 17 Sep 1998 15:23:48 +0200 Jean-Michel Jarre reachs half century of life, and this birthday agreed with the celebration of the fourth convention about the musician in UK. The JarreCon'98 contest, that took place in Manchester Sunday August 23th, was organized by Natural Image Productions, that already was in charge to organize the three previous conventions. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Date: 17 Sep 1998 09:42:36 -0400 What are the chances that Ralf und Florian are really releasing these 'bootlegs' little by little and having a grand old time watching people scramble and overpay wildly to get these occasional tidbits? (I certainly would if I was them >:) - -gbr I'd say nil, if we're using concert classics as the example. I paid $10 US (give or take a dollar), new from HMV. As for Komputer, (different thread), c'mon - if you like the music, (as I do) then there's really no need for them to sing the priases of Kraftwerk in every interview, or at all, actually. If you don't like the music, then, what difference could it possibly make? Not to be constantly dragging the discussion back to the 60's but, it's a pop tradition to liberally steal from your influences. Many musicians will give credit where it's due, and others don't. I don't think it would be a swipe at say, Buddy Holly if every time the Beatles wrote a country/rockabilly flavored song if they didn't mention the obvious debt to Holly for the sound. It is a great example anyway, since the Beatles named themselves "after" the Crickets. Still, there were probably rock purists at the time saying the same exact things I'm hearing about Komputer, only regarding the Beatles - ie. derivative, exploitative, talentless, etc. They're a young band, (Komputer), it's anybody's right to like or dislike them, but, to totally write them off just because they didn't start out wholly original is a bit of a high standard to place on a pop band! To have a problem with them not pointing out the obvious influence is pointless in a way. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Komputer on Kraftwerk Date: 17 Sep 1998 14:59:25 +0100 MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: > > It is unfortunate for Komputer that they have to hail from darn sarf. Half of > the charm (not to say humour) in KW comes from the fact that they continually > hail Duesseldorf as the center of the universe, when all it is is... erm... a > provincial backwater. hehe, true, very true. Tell me mersey, me 'ole cocker, where would you say the centre of the UK is?? Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Kling Klang (concert classics) Date: 16 Sep 1998 09:50:48 +0200 > "Ich blick da nicht durch" - as Wolfgang (?) says when he can't unscramble=20 > his > cables on the drum pads. What is the meaning of "Ich blick da nicht durch"? DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) They are Komputer Date: 17 Sep 1998 16:01:36 +0000 At 9:42 am -0400 17/9/98, Fred_Harding@idx.com wrote: >I don't think it would be a >swipe at say, Buddy Holly if every time the Beatles wrote a >country/rockabilly flavored song if they didn't mention the obvious debt to >Holly for the sound. Maybe Komputer should take on board some Buddy influence. 'Looking Down on Clear Lake' would make a good title for their next album (with a rockabilly remix of 'Komputer Crash' as the single). >It is a great example anyway, since the Beatles named >themselves "after" the Crickets. Still, there were probably rock purists >at the time saying the same exact things I'm hearing about Komputer, only >regarding the Beatles - ie. derivative, exploitative, talentless, etc. >They're a young band, (Komputer), The first Fortran 5 release was 8 years ago, and the people behind the band weren't rookies then either. We're not talking about kids out of school who need time for their music to grow, but a deliberate pastiche of Kraftwerk's music. So with respect I don't think it's an apt comparison. The question, surely, is whether the pastiche is amusing? Personally I find it often very lacking, but if others enjoy them then (joking aside) I have no problem with that at all. >it's anybody's right to like or dislike >them, but, to totally write them off just because they didn't start out >wholly original is a bit of a high standard to place on a pop band! To >have a problem with them not pointing out the obvious influence is >pointless in a way. Up to a point, yes. :-) K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: (kw) KONVOY!!! Date: 17 Sep 1998 17:30:29 +0100 Ladies and Gentlemen, ;-P The Kraftwerk Konvoy pages now have the new South American dates online, so if you wish to join the konvoy list, and get in touch with other werkers who are going, go to:- http://wkweb5.cableint.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/konvoy98/ Sign up!! Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: (kw) KONVOY!!! - version 2 :P Date: 17 Sep 1998 17:38:32 +0100 ooops! here is the proper URL! Ladies and Gentlemen, ;-P The Kraftwerk Konvoy pages now have the new South American dates online, so if you wish to join the konvoy list, and get in touch with other werkers who are going, go to:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/konvoy98/ Sign up!! Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) "Werkers" Date: 17 Sep 1998 17:50:00 +0000 At 5:30 pm +0100 17/9/98, Jules Seifert wrote: >so if you wish to join the konvoy list, and get in touch with other >werkers who are going, go to:- What is this "werker" silliness, Jules?! I notice many people are using the term now. Are we stuck with it? "What a bunch of werkers!" :-D K PS For comparison: the term "Clifford" is used on the Severed Heads email list. (http://www.zeta.org.au/~blurk/Clifford/clifford-faq.html) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) "Abzug" Date: 17 Sep 1998 18:49:45 +0200 Hello, Another question to the German speaking members. What does "Abzug" mean ? In my dictionary I found so many meanings: 1. Rauchabzug (smoke outlet) 2. Gewehrabzug (trigger of a gun) 3. Lohnabzug (stoppage) 4. Flucht (escape) 5. Rabatt (rebate, allowance) 6. Abzug eines Fotos (print of a photograph) Was paßt wohl am ehesten zum "TEE"-Kontext ? What fits more for the "TEE"-Context ? Greetings Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: Re: (kw) "Abzug" Date: 17 Sep 1998 13:32:21 -0400 (EDT) > What does "Abzug" mean ? In my dictionary I found so many meanings: >=20 > 1. Rauchabzug (smoke outlet) > 2. Gewehrabzug (trigger of a gun) > 3. Lohnabzug (stoppage) > 4. Flucht (escape) > 5. Rabatt (rebate, allowance) > 6. Abzug eines Fotos (print of a photograph) >=20 > Was pa=DFt wohl am ehesten zum "TEE"-Kontext ? > What fits more for the "TEE"-Context ? None of the above. I always just thought of #1 as the proper basic meaning (the others - apart from #4, which sounds odd - make just as much sense), i.e. that's what I thought of the word as such, but: I think it's really an odd play on words (or syllables, really): Abzug =3D ein _ab_fahrender Zug. [ a train that's starting to leave/move - depends on your perspective. ] Consider the context - it's the last of the 3 TEE pieces. -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: (kw) Re: Abzug Date: 17 Sep 1998 18:31:15 +0100 > > Hello, > > Another question to the German speaking members. > > What does "Abzug" mean ? In my dictionary I found so many meanings: > > 1. Rauchabzug (smoke outlet) > 2. Gewehrabzug (trigger of a gun) > 3. Lohnabzug (stoppage) > 4. Flucht (escape) > 5. Rabatt (rebate, allowance) > 6. Abzug eines Fotos (print of a photograph) > nah, it means 'jon alsbury' ;-P Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob VonMoss Subject: Re: (kw) "Abzug" Date: 17 Sep 1998 12:48:03 -0500 Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de wrote: > What does "Abzug" mean ? In my dictionary I found so many meanings: > > 1. Rauchabzug (smoke outlet) > 2. Gewehrabzug (trigger of a gun) > 3. Lohnabzug (stoppage) > 4. Flucht (escape) > 5. Rabatt (rebate, allowance) > 6. Abzug eines Fotos (print of a photograph) 7. Bela Abzug, New York City politician, who I think died in the last year or so. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Ralf's Interview Date: 17 Sep 1998 14:58:30 -0300 >I translated Ralf's speaks and put them at my page: > >http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html >Please, under which point on the map can Ralf=B4s speaks be found ? >Gubbolf Brazil's dot... click there and you will see. Nicolau # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) "Werkers" Date: 17 Sep 1998 19:00:01 +0000 I wouldn't normally forward email sent to me, but Jules obviously meant this for the list too! ------------------ Start of Jules' email --------------------- >Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:02:58 +0100 >From: Jules Seifert >Mime-Version: 1.0 >To: Kevin Busby >Subject: Re: (kw) "Werkers" > >Kevin Busby wrote: >> >> At 5:30 pm +0100 17/9/98, Jules Seifert wrote: >> >> >so if you wish to join the konvoy list, and get in touch with other >> >werkers who are going, go to:- >> >> What is this "werker" silliness, Jules?! I notice many people are using the >> term now. Are we stuck with it? > >Yeah, unfortunatly, still, any other suggestions folks? how about >'krafty kockneys'? that'll get the northern contingent going! > >> "What a bunch of werkers!" :-D > >indeeed!!! > >> K >> >> PS For comparison: the term "Clifford" is used on the Severed Heads >>email list. >> (http://www.zeta.org.au/~blurk/Clifford/clifford-faq.html) > >yeah? weird! So, folks on the 'fat boy slim' ML are slimmers?? ------------------ End of Jules' email --------------------- (As opposed to the Skinnies on the Skinny Puppy List, perhaps? - KB) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com update Date: 17 Sep 1998 22:26:09 +0200 "konzert3.html" contains now the tourdates for brazil and argentinia, no information about other concerts. Gruesse aus Wien, Georgie -- * Georg Jajus - Vienna - Austria * http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * SMS & phone: +436765621850 * "In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcafe, Direktverbindung TEE..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) concert classics Date: 17 Sep 1998 22:31:05 +0000 If kw played Autobahn, then Kling Klang, that's an unusual order, at least from the concerts I know about. Autobahn was an "end-of-the-show" song. Kling Klang was in fact the opener. For instance, at Keystone in Berkeley, in April 1975 the set-list was: Kling Klang Tanzmusik Ruckzuck Atem Tongebirge Kometenmelodie Autobahn And no "choir" effects. At the Dome in Brighton, September 1975: Kling Klang Tongebirge Tanzmusik Kometenmelodie Ruckzuck Autobahn Mitternacht (which gets more like what would later be Showroom dummies in fact) And the "choir" effects are present and korrekt. It is feasible that if kw bought the Orchestron during their US tour, they could add it to their stage setup, but I think that's not very probable. I'd say they would have to test it, find how to incorporate it in their songs, etc. Does anyone have a recording from US 75 with the "choir" sounds on it? Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) Abzug Date: 17 Sep 1998 13:59:16 -0700 (PDT) > What does "Abzug" mean ? In my dictionary I found so many meanings: > Was paßt wohl am ehesten zum "TEE"-Kontext ? > What fits more for the "TEE"-Context ? I've always thought "departing train" would be the best translation. I do, however, appreciate the Bella Abzug reference. Maybe Ed Koch will be the theme of their new album? Jeff _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas W." Subject: (kw) Ralf Beck & Lothar Manteuffel Date: 17 Sep 1998 23:03:48 +0200 Hello, my question is simply whether ever anyone on the list was able to get the record produced by Lothar Manteuffel and Ralf Beck. It is released under the project name of Furtano and Montresor called "Imagine". The second single is "Beach Ball" produced by Beck and Manteuffel on their label Superfly. Where can I get those records? That was it already. Thomas. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: Re: (kw) "Werkers" Date: 17 Sep 1998 19:25:41 -0600 >>yeah? weird! So, folks on the 'fat boy slim' ML are slimmers?? "Fat Boy Slimmers" are either Norman Cookers, Mighty Dub Katters, Beats International Nationals, and so on and so on ........ What ever happened to ROBOTS? No, not that Robot. DJFRANKX http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/kw2000.htm > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: (kw) brazilian tickets, Kraftwerk will be empty?, HELP ARGENTINA!! Date: 17 Sep 1998 23:33:39 +0300 hi to all! some topics on this email: (1) tickets started to be sold here in Brazil yesterday (16.sept.1998). Aside from those newspaper articles, almost NOTHING new - no new propaganda about free jazz festival... actually, today round 1.00am there was a very fast tv commercial, usual as ever (jazzy tunes, people smoking [as FREE is the name of cigar here]), where the name KRAFTWERK apears for no more than 8 or 10 seconds... just that, nothing more! (2) tickets are mainly being sold on SELECT stores (further info on Nicolau's page). SELECT stores are those 'has everything' stores on gasoline stations/sellers. It's being very bad organised, the tickets are being print when you go buy... printes out of work... ... it's being really a shit!! (3) Nicoulau told that 500 tickets of 4000 were sold in less than an hour... well, today things were really slow, and when I bought my tickets (round 20h [8pm]), the girl said me that I was the first for KRAFTWERK... so 500 tickets were surely not mainly for KW... What will happen ?!?!?!?! ??!?!!? (4) HELP ARGENTINA!! HELP ARGENTINA!! Mr. Claudio Faschini, a very nice guy, was helping me to go to Argentina - most on information about addresses, places, money, etc... but he simply disapeared!! Tickets started to be sold there this week and there's almost 4 days since he sent me his last mail... I NEED INFORMATION FAST!! CLAUDIO!!?!!?!? ARE YOU ALIVE!?!? ESTAS VIVO?!?! (4.1) If there's any other nice Argentinian on this KW list, please email me!! I still need information from there - even not being more sure to go to Argentina (sorry, too much expensive...! I just got some recent credit card problems.... :-< ) But i'm still trying to! (5) Werkers? Robots? Werkies? kraftjunkies? everything is the same... I (still!) NEED INFORMATION!! as Karl Bartos would said (?!?!?!?!?!).... INFORMATION WANTS TO BE... FRRRRREEEEEEEE! best to all, AVELLAR! hermanos de Argentina... SOCORRO!!! :-) Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. * http://members.tripod.com/~AVELLAR - under construction! * mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Subject: (kw) Peruvian in Brasil or Argentina? Date: 18 Sep 1998 01:01:40 +0500 (GMT) Hola, Algun Peruano estara presente en los conciertos de Kraftwerk en Argentina o Brasil? Is there will be any Peruvian in the Brazil or Argentina Kraftwerk concerts? Jose, Lima-Peru. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) "Werkers" Date: 18 Sep 1998 09:34:06 +0100 FXCordero wrote: > > >>yeah? weird! So, folks on the 'fat boy slim' ML are slimmers?? > > "Fat Boy Slimmers" are either Norman Cookers, Mighty Dub Katters, Beats > International Nationals, and so on and so on ........ Yeah, i'll never look at another Pizzaman in the same light :-P > What ever happened to ROBOTS? No, not that Robot. Robots could signify a whole larger group of folks than just KW fans. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) "Abzug" Date: 18 Sep 1998 04:51:54 EDT Ab - means to move off (eg. the direction to move off stage in a script (UK: "Exit") would in German be "Ab") Zug means train. So, basically it's a play on words: Leaving Train But with all the other the other connotations you mention as well. Klever them Werkers aren't they ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) "Werkers" Date: 18 Sep 1998 04:49:40 EDT I'm going home to have a werk ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: (kw) Autobahn on BBC Date: 18 Sep 1998 05:00:05 EDT The BBC's TV Breakfast News ran a trailer this am about a forthcoming short feature series on the general election in Germany. The are calling it "A journey through Germany". They ran the Mix version of Autobahn as a musical backing throughout the trailer and will undoubtedly feature it as intro music to the items over the next few weeks. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Kling Klang (concert classics) Date: 18 Sep 1998 06:08:06 EDT It means: I don't understand. In context: Wolfgang cannot understand what the problem on his drum pads are. The Germans sometimes say "Kabelsalat" - Cable salad... which is what you can clearly see on the photographs of the early drumpad designs. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nicolas Villeminot Subject: (kw) Abzug Date: 18 Sep 1998 12:52:31 +0200 About Abzug, i 'd like to know one thing : on the English version of TEE, as you know, there is TEE and Metal on Metal, and on the German version ( that i never had in my hands ) Abzug has been added, so is it only a change of the name ( Abzug being a part of Metal on Metal in that case ) or is Abzug a new track from the German record ? thanks Nicolas. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Victor Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in Rio - Assembly of the stage. Date: 18 Sep 1998 09:18:56 -0300 Exclusive !! See photos of the assembly of the stage MAM - Museum of Modern Art - Rio de Janeiro Click in Kraftwerk logo ! http://www.urbi.com.br/users/vmiranda -- Victor Miranda vmiranda@urbi.com.br # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Houle Subject: (kw) recording KW Date: 18 Sep 1998 09:17:29 -0400 Were ALL of the KW albums recorded at kling klang? Marc # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) recording KW Date: 18 Sep 1998 09:29:56 EDT I think a more appropriate question might be: Were ANY of the albums recor= ded at Kling Klang ? Trans EuropeExpress was at least mixed/mastered at R=FCssl in Hamburg, the earlier ones were recorded by Conny Plank, who ran his own studio, Electri= c Cafe was at least mixed/mastered in New York. With music tehnology as it stands now, you can easily programme your music= at any location using portable sound sources (for example: Mamboscope use an Atari ST to control Roland JP8000s, Junos and various samplers at Perla Si= x in the UK) to create tracks which are then recorded on more professional RECORDING (not sound source) equipment at studios such as Olympic in Londo= n, UK. But all of this is just another blatant plug for www.mamboscope.com, so wh= y not check it out ! K. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Komputer- Virtual Valentina Date: 18 Sep 1998 09:47:02 +0200 There is a new Komputer biography and a short Director file called "Virtual Valentina" available for download on the Mute Web site, http://www.mutelibtech.com/mute/komputer/komputer.htm, ftp or telnet to mutelibtech.com DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Classics Live Date: 17 Sep 1998 18:00:29 +0200 Hi there, David Davis wrote > In the same way, "Truckstop Gondelero", aka "Vor dem Blauen Bock", is > really just a live version of "Stratovarious". Where have you heard that song ("Vor dem Blauen Bock")?, where is available? How do you know that? DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Komputer on Kraftwerk Date: 18 Sep 1998 15:40:39 +0200 Erik Knain wrote: > > So, since the origion of > >their concept is so obvious, their comment that 'It has nothing to do with > >Kraftwerk' cannot be taken seriously; I think they are joking. Then Kevin Busby wrote: > > Sure, so do I. But, IMAO, it's often a very unimaginative tribute. My rant > at Komputer was tongue-in-cheek, I've nothing against them (other than > descrating 'Neon Lights'! :-) ). I just wish they were a bit more > entertaining - musically, and in their answers to interview questions. It > would have been more amusing if they _had_ accused Kraftwerk of ripping > them off. Or if they'd denied ever having heard them (although a lot of > techno artists have tried this line, I suppose...). Personally I hear > talent being wasted, probably due to laziness.* I think Komputer are very hypocritical. Their music is a plagiarism not a tribute. They're got a nerve! OK. You can be influenced but (I think) you do not have to copy of anyone. Komputer have succumbed in the easiest, sweetened and commercial resources; the behaved shamelessly plagiarism and the repetition of the formulas that took to KW to the success. Nor winks sent with inventiveness or intelligence to hide the evidence of insipid and insignificant resources. They waste a great gear. And it only entices to yawn. The world of music is too great to linger in imitations so little (or nothing) rewarding. Despite the theatricalities it does not stop being a copy that uses identical ideas and the same instruments, but disguised by their nerve. Before resorting to the plagiarism, there are other equally interesting ideas to satisfy to an audience eager for new tracks from KW. The obsession to sound just as the German Quartet roams every minute and become to cause boredom. Perhaps to brand their music as plagiarism is for them a praise. In any case, to acquire any Komputer record left a long time ago to have grace. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) RE: With all due respect... Date: 18 Sep 1998 15:19:54 +0200 Fecha: miércoles 16 de septiembre de 1998 22:46 Ultravox5@aol.com wrote: > Frequently you seem to load our boxes with 8-10 posts of 1-2 sentences > long....would it be possible to consolidate alittle. Believe me, I do NOT > mean > to sound like a prick, but it might help ease the load we all get in out > mailboxes. Excuse the annoyances. It was not my intention to try to saturate the mailboxes of anybody, reason why I humbly apologize to everybody. I am sorry, you are right, lately I went too far sending messages. Pardon, I recently can not stop myself from sending comments, nevertheless I try to stop. Apologies if somebody else felt like this 'werker. I regret it. I request you excuse to my curiosity. I promise from now to use my small efforts to tell something that is worth the trouble, that is moderately interesting and instructive and to take advantage of the written space to give more information instead of say a series (stream) of trivialities and, mainly, are left outside those ridiculous retorts with regard to any triviality. OTOH, I hope anybody do not take offense, do you say the above comment to everybody that writes much posts to the KW-ML? I will not keep you any longer. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Komputer on Kraftwerk Date: 18 Sep 1998 09:48:33 EDT I think plagiarising KW is an appropriate thing to do. After all... it is KW's own "fault" for not producing enough Kraftwerk material to satisfy demand. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: Re: (kw) concert classics (vernunft & gediegen) Date: 18 Sep 1998 09:51:09 -0400 (EDT) > for Ralf to burble this monologue about Vernunft und Gediegenheit, would I be > "well out of order" in suggesting he was either No, it's either some ad slogan (it has that ring to it), or, more likely, just something that sounds right (and mildly funny), as he says "Autobahn war korrekt, glaube ich" (it was proper, I think) but then they start running their mouths 'correct/proper, yet solid' (which is nonsense, as those are not opposites), then "vernuenftig, und trotzdem gediegen", (sensible, and nevertheless ??? - I know what it means, but I don't know an English word for it; it is again not an opposite), which actually is suggested by someone in the background after he blabbers "Vernuenftig, und trotzdem...", looking for something to add to it. And then of course the person saying "vernuenftig, und trotzdem gediegen" also suggests he say it into the mic, like it's some profound statement or announcement, for non-native (non-)speakers German to wonder about and try to interpret... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) RE: With all due respect... Date: 18 Sep 1998 13:59:43 +0000 Der Automat wrote: > Excuse the annoyances. > > It was not my intention to try to saturate the mailboxes of anybody, reason > why I humbly apologize to everybody. I am sorry, you are right, lately I > went too > far sending messages. Pardon, I recently can not stop myself from sending > comments, > nevertheless I try to stop. Apologies if somebody else felt like this > 'werker. I regret it. I don't have any problems regarding the amount of your posts. Really I often find your letters quite interesting. Just FYI. Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: Re: (kw) recording KW Date: 18 Sep 1998 10:13:49 -0400 (EDT) > Trans EuropeExpress was at least mixed/mastered at R=FCssl in Hamburg, I wonder how well KW and Otto Waalkes (comedian, onwer of R=FCssl - means elephant trunk, see http://www.ottifant.de/ also http://www.ottifant.de/neu/otto/ottodat.html) got along; his style of music is announcing a song, leading into a description of what it's about, leading to a pun in form of it's (different) title, followed by a new description, repeat for a while... :) How did they ever get together? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) recording KW Date: 18 Sep 1998 15:53:58 +0000 At 9:29 am -0400 18/9/98, MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: >But all of this is just another blatant plug for www.mamboscope.com, so why >not check it out. I did (what's you rocnnection with them?). The site >announced "HEAVEN 17's new album RETOX/DETOX (released 3/8/98) features a remix of GEISHA BOYS & TEMPLE GIRLS by Mamboscope luminaries Kevin Francis & Andrew Daly" I haven't heard that, but the original is a first class piece of technopop. It's from their album 'Penthouse and Pavement', the second side of which at least may appeal to many Kraftwerk fans? http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~new_wave/17_albums.html At 1:59 pm +0000 18/9/98, Vladimir Ivaschenko wrote of Der Automat: >I don't have any problems regarding the amount of your posts. Really I often >find your letters quite interesting. Personally I enjoy Automat's style of prose. I must admit that I too have been guilty of posting too much in recent days, but to be honest it's the first time in a very long while that I've found the list this entertaining and informative. KB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: Re: (kw) "Abzug" Date: 18 Sep 1998 17:44:04 +0200 Jules Seifert schrieb: > Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > Another question to the German speaking members. > > > > What does "Abzug" mean ? In my dictionary I found so many meanings: > > > > 1. Rauchabzug (smoke outlet) > > 2. Gewehrabzug (trigger of a gun) > > 3. Lohnabzug (stoppage) > > 4. Flucht (escape) > > 5. Rabatt (rebate, allowance) > > 6. Abzug eines Fotos (print of a photograph) > > > > nah, it means 'jon alsbury' ;-P > > > Jules Ha Ha ! Thank you for your help! >:-( Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: Re: RE: (kw) "Abzug" Date: 18 Sep 1998 17:44:06 +0200 Nicolas Villeminot schrieb: > About Abzug, i 'd like to know one thing : > on the English version of TEE, as you know, there is TEE and Metal on > Metal, and on the German > version ( that i never had in my hands ) Abzug has been added, so is it > only a change of the name ( Abzug being a part of Metal on > Metal in that case ) or is Abzug a new track from the German record ? > > thanks > > Nicolas. > "Abzug" is on the English version the second part of "Metal on Metal", means when the "sht sht shtshtsht sht sht shtshtsht"-sequence changes into the "dit dit ditditdit dit dit ditditdit"-sequence. Do you know what I mean ? It is NO additional track. Best Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: Re: (kw) recording KW Date: 18 Sep 1998 12:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Short answer: yes. Long answer: I'm not sure whether it came from the particular spelling of R=FCssl that Otto uses, or from seeing this label on a record of his (I don't think I've ever seen one close-up enough) (or just from assuming it because of the word and it being in Hamburg), but when I first bought TEE years ago, I nearly fell over=20 when I saw R=FCssl on there... FF to a few years ago, searching for either Waalkes or Kraftwerk on yahoo, I came upon this page, which verifies the connection: (R=FCssl, OW, and KW in one sentence :) http://www.move.de/cmp-records/artists/quintus.html On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: > Are you sure Otto and his Ottifants (I remember them well !) have anythin= g to > do with R=FCssl ? >=20 > If this is true then I am truly amazed. It is not a connection I would e= ver > have made ! >=20 > Or are you making a Krafty little Witz, mein Freund ? >=20 >=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: Re: (kw) "Abzug" Date: 18 Sep 1998 17:44:08 +0200 Abzug1@aol.com schrieb: > AB means departing > ZUG means train > ABZUG = Departing Train When this track begins, the train is already driving and at the end it becomes to stand still. Wouldn´t that rather mean "arriving train" ? Best Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: RE: (kw) Komputer on Kraftwerk Date: 18 Sep 1998 10:29:28 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 18 Sep 1998, Der Automat wrote: > I think Komputer are very hypocritical. Their music is a plagiarism not a > tribute. They're got a nerve! > OK. You can be influenced but (I think) you do not have to copy of anyone. Ripoff or not, I think Komputer have talent. Some of the tracks on World of Tomorrow are really good IMHO. > They waste a great gear. And it only entices to yawn. The world of > music is too great to linger in imitations so little (or nothing) > rewarding. Careful there. You almost sound like you're smearing remixes in general. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: Re: (kw) "Abzug" Date: 18 Sep 1998 17:44:03 +0200 G. Benedikt Rochow schrieb: > > > > What does "Abzug" mean ? In my dictionary I found so many meanings: > > > > 1. Rauchabzug (smoke outlet) > > 2. Gewehrabzug (trigger of a gun) > > 3. Lohnabzug (stoppage) > > 4. Flucht (escape) > > 5. Rabatt (rebate, allowance) > > 6. Abzug eines Fotos (print of a photograph) > > > > Was paßt wohl am ehesten zum "TEE"-Kontext ? > > What fits more for the "TEE"-Context ? > > None of the above. > I always just thought of #1 as the proper basic meaning > (the others - apart from #4, which sounds odd - make > just as much sense), i.e. that's what I thought of the word > as such, but: > I think it's really an odd play on words (or syllables, really): > Abzug = ein _ab_fahrender Zug. > [ a train that's starting to leave/move - depends on your > perspective. ] > Consider the context - it's the last of the 3 TEE pieces. > > -gbr > When this track begins, the train is already driving and at the end it becomes to stand still. Wouldn´t that rather mean "arriving train" ? Best Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: Re: (kw) "Abzug" Date: 18 Sep 1998 12:49:13 -0400 (EDT) > > Abzug =3D ein _ab_fahrender Zug. > > [ a train that's starting to leave/move - depends on your > > perspective. ] > When this track begins, the train is already driving and at the end it be= comes=20 > to stand still. Wouldn=B4t that rather mean "arriving train" ? No, it couldn't, because of the meaning of the prefix 'ab'. A less likely possibility is a person leaving the (stopped) train, or, more likely, the train leaving after the passenger has stepped off. Or it could be referring to the demise of the TEE system, which I think was around that time. -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: Re: (kw) "Abzug" Date: 18 Sep 1998 17:44:05 +0200 MERSEYCHAM@aol.com schrieb: > Ab - means to move off (eg. the direction to move off stage in a script (UK: > "Exit") would in German be "Ab") > > Zug means train. > > So, basically it's a play on words: Leaving Train > > But with all the other the other connotations you mention as well. Klever > them Werkers aren't they ! > When this track begins, the train is already driving and at the end it becomes to stand still. Wouldn´t that rather mean "arriving train" ? Best Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Marc et Claude vs. Dr. Sam: "A Tribute to Kraftwerk" Date: 18 Sep 1998 20:08:05 +0000 Yet another Kraftwerk tribute release: Marc et Claude vs. Dr. Sam: "A Tribute to Kraftwerk" CD single, Orbit Records, Virgin7243 8 95315 2 7 Track listing: 01. Radio Edit 02:58" 02. Original Tribute 05:30" 03. Superstring's Cafe del Mar interpretation 07:26" 04. Electro Alternative 05:18" 05. Original Instrumental 05:30" Credits: "Music and lyrics by Klaus Derichs, Marc Romboy, Juergen Driessen" A 12" edition is also available. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Depeche Mode does Kraftwerk Date: 18 Sep 1998 20:08:06 +0000 > On "The Model" it merge all the techno-pop stereotypes granted with > exuberance by spurious descendants like Depeche Mode (David Gahan, Martin > L. Gore, Andy Fletcher) -from Basildon, Essex- in general, and the > ex-member Alan Wilder (now in Recoil) in particular, they said to be > influenced by KRAFTWERK, mainly in their early years. Ironically, the October issue of Musik-Express features an interview with Dave Gahan, who states that he was not very much influenced by Kraftwerk, particulary not in the early years. :-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk on Spanish TV? Date: 18 Sep 1998 20:08:05 +0000 It is rumoured that excerpts from the recent Kraftwerk show in Barcelona were shown on Spanish TV. Is anybody able to confirm? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Duesseldorf (was: Re: (kw) Komputer on Kraftwerk) Date: 18 Sep 1998 20:08:06 +0000 > Half of the charm (not to say humour) in KW comes from the fact that they > continually hail Duesseldorf as the center of the universe, Hm, one of Ralf Huetter's standard interview phrases is that Duesseldorf is not the center of Germany, that Germany actually has no real center at all, but that he's happy to live close to some important centers like Paris and Amsterdam... > when all it is is... erm... a provincial backwater. At least it is the capital of Northrhine-Westfalia. . Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Access All Areas Date: 18 Sep 1998 20:08:06 +0000 The September issue of the German magazine Access All Areas features a review of Kraftwerk's Roskilde appearance, incl. 3 live photos. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Review of 'From Duesseldorf to the Future (With Love)' Date: 18 Sep 1998 20:08:06 +0000 If anybody is interested, here is a scan from the book cover: http://www.waterstones.co.uk/bookimages/0091864909.jpg Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf Beck & Lothar Manteuffel Date: 18 Sep 1998 20:08:05 +0000 > Hello, my question is simply whether ever anyone on the list was able to > get the record produced by Lothar Manteuffel and Ralf Beck. It is > released under the project name of Furtano and Montresor called "Imagine". Actually, the project name is "Fortunato & Montresor", and the procucers were Joerg Offer and Ralf Beck. Lothar Manteuffel was not involved. > Where can I get those records? I have the "Imagine" single for sale, in 12" format as well as on CD single (mint condition). Price: DM 14,00 each plus postage. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Mobile Homes concerts Date: 18 Sep 1998 20:08:06 +0000 The following is quoted from the Mobile Homes mailing list: > If your planning on going to Sweden you can watch Mobile Homes live at > a place called "Romo Night" in Gothemburg this happens on the 25th of > september. > > You can also watch them live in Stockholm on the 30th of september at > a place called "Studion". # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Livetapes wanted Date: 18 Sep 1998 20:08:06 +0000 I am looking for livetapes from Kraftwerk's recent concerts in Los Angeles and San Francisco. I am also interested in *complete* recordings from Barcelona and Chicago. Trade material is available. Please mail me privately. Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Rueckstoss Gondoliero" Date: 18 Sep 1998 20:08:05 +0000 > In the same way, "Truckstop Gondelero", aka "Vor dem Blauen Bock", The correct title is "Rueckstoss Gondoliero". "Truckstop Gondolero" appears to be Pioneer's attempt to translate it into English, "Vor dem Blauen Bock" is a bootlegger's joke. > is really just a live version of "Stratovarious". No, it's a track on it's own, possibly from the never-released second Kraftwerk album. There are indeed certain similarities between these two tracks, but this is typical for Kraftwerk, and IMO they are not more significant as the similarities between "Spacelab" and "Computer World", or between "Ruckzuck" and "Trans Europe Express", for example. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) RE: Kraftwerk's (former?) US agent Date: 18 Sep 1998 20:08:06 +0000 > > > I thought Kraftwerk have not (and hadn't) any manager or agent > > > ever. > > > > Check the credits on the cover of the "Trans Europe Express" album > > (US edition). > > Thanks for the info. But unfortunately I have not this album edition. :,-( Neither have I, but I know that the details are printed there. Anyone else perhaps? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: RE: (kw) Depeche Mode does Kraftwerk Date: 18 Sep 1998 20:08:06 +0000 > > Another Depeche Mode - Kraftwerk reference, found in The Guardian, > > 04.09.1998: > > > > [...] > > "The media won't help us," Gore moans later. [...] > > "They're just more respectful in Europe," adds Fletcher, whose Kraftwerk > > T-shirt pays homage to the band that inspired him to form Depeche Mode > > back in 1980 with Basildon schoolmates Gore, Gahan and Vince "now of > > Erasure" Clarke. > > [...] > > What T-shirt do you refer? Sorry, the article doesn't specify the exact type of the T-shirt. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) (Fwd) Article in The Scotsman Date: 18 Sep 1998 20:08:06 +0000 Found on alt.music.kraftwerk: > I thought this may be of interest: > > http://www.scotsman.com/bulletin/bl01kraf980916.1.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: RE: (kw) Komputer on Kraftwerk Date: 18 Sep 1998 20:08:06 +0000 > I think Komputer are very hypocritical. Their music is a plagiarism not a > tribute. Or maybe it is a parody? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Ruessl (was: Re: (kw) recording KW) Date: 18 Sep 1998 20:08:06 +0000 > > Trans EuropeExpress was at least mixed/mastered at R=FCssl in Hamburg, > > I wonder how well KW and Otto Waalkes (comedian, onwer of R=FCssl > - means elephant trunk, see http://www.ottifant.de/ > also http://www.ottifant.de/neu/otto/ottodat.html) > got along; > How did they ever get together? Ruessl was a very well known pop music studio in the late 1970ies, which was used by many pop musicians. The fact that Kraftwerk used it as well doesn't have to mean that there was a personal relationship between Kraftwerk and the studio owner. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) "Abzug" Date: 18 Sep 1998 20:08:06 +0000 > > > Abzug =3D ein _ab_fahrender Zug. > > > [ a train that's starting to leave/move - depends on your > > > perspective. ] > > > When this track begins, the train is already driving and at the end it= becomes > > to stand still. Wouldn=B4t that rather mean "arriving train" ? > > No, it couldn't, because of the meaning of the prefix 'ab'. > A less likely possibility is a person leaving the (stopped) train, > or, more likely, the train leaving after the passenger has > stepped off. Or it could be referring to the demise of the > TEE system, which I think was around that time. Or maybe it's just an example for an inconsistent play on words. :-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Ticket Sales Date: 18 Sep 1998 20:08:06 +0000 > (3) Nicoulau told that 500 tickets of 4000 were sold in less than an > hour... well, today things were really slow, and when I bought my tickets > (round 20h [8pm]), the girl said me that I was the first for KRAFTWERK... > so 500 tickets were surely not mainly for KW... Meanwhile, the German Wetzlarer Neue Zeitung, 15.09.1998, wrote in a preview of the Kraftwerk show in Buenos Aires that tickets are selling rapidly... Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: Re: Ruessl (was: Re: (kw) recording KW) Date: 18 Sep 1998 14:52:11 -0400 (EDT) > Ruessl was a very well known pop music studio in the late 1970ies, > which was used by many pop musicians. The fact that Kraftwerk used it > as well doesn't have to mean that there was a personal relationship > between Kraftwerk and the studio owner. Das ist mir auch klar. Aber der Name bringt halt ein Image mit sich. (Speziell weil Otto im Gedaechtnis bleibt, aber die generellere Benutzung seines Studios nicht so sehr.) Auch wenn KW schon hin und wieder mal andere Leute Kling Klang benutzen liessen (lassen?), saehe es schon ulkig aus, wenn z.B. die Blaeck Foeoess ein Album "aufjenommen im Kling-Klang Studio Duesseldorf" rausbraechten. (BTW: Tommy Engels von den BF wohnt nicht in Koeln, sondern in dem Dorf, in dem ich frueher wohnte) Im ganzen war es auch eher ein Witz, mit Images von KW-Robotern und Otto auf seinem Hocker auf der Buehne im Hinterkopf. A recording studio is a recording studio is a recording studio. -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mauricio Gonzalez Subject: (kw) Tickets for Argentina concert Date: 18 Sep 1998 15:13:18 -0400 HI, Someone know how to buy tickets for Argentina Concert for werkers that = are out of Argentina,??? I am in Chile I will go to Argentina to see Kraftwerk. But if when I arrive to Argentina the tickets was sold?? I want to buy a ticket before of the travel or that some Argentine = werker buy the ticket for me and when I arrive to Argentina I Will = Return your Money Please Contact me !!!! Thanks Mauricio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Prieto" <4617gpt@comb.es> Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk on Spanish TV? Date: 18 Sep 1998 21:37:20 +0200 Only 'The Man Machine' was able to be recorded in Barcelona by Canal 33. I have a friend who was security in that concert, and no other TV were allowed. I think that if your information is true, this was a very little excerpt. -----Mensaje original----- De: Klaus Zaepke It is rumoured that excerpts from the recent Kraftwerk show in Barcelona were shown on Spanish TV. Is anybody able to confirm? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: RE: (kw) Classics Live Date: 18 Sep 1998 21:08:55 +0100 (BST) On Thu, 17 Sep 1998, Der Automat wrote: > Where have you heard that song ("Vor dem Blauen Bock")?, where is > available? > How do you know that? It's in the FAQs! It was added as a bonus track to the CD bootleg of TONE FLOAT. It also appears on a Japanese videodisc (see Bussy's book) DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: RE: (kw) "Abzug" Date: 18 Sep 1998 21:18:54 +0100 (BST) On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de wrote: > "Abzug" is on the English version the second part of "Metal on Metal", means > when the "sht sht shtshtsht sht sht shtshtsht"-sequence changes into the > "dit dit ditditdit dit dit ditditdit"-sequence. Do you know what I mean ? It is > NO additional track. Yes, absolutely. It's all to do with hi-hats! In "abzug" they do lovely polyphonic portamento with the Orchestron strings, as the TEE sweeps pasts station to station. Then the vocals come back in and TEE proper reprises. DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) "Rueckstoss Gondoliero" Date: 18 Sep 1998 21:25:32 +0100 (BST) On Fri, 18 Sep 1998, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > is really just a live version of "Stratovarious". > > No, it's a track on it's own, possibly from the never-released second Well, I'm only surmising, of course- I don't know what the band thought of it. But I'd bet my money that Florian was just getting Rother & Dinger to jam along in the vein of "staratovarious", and that's what it ended up sounding like. There's a lot of new ideas (and equipment: Florian using the EMS pitch-to-CV convertor on his flute) on "Rueckstoss Gondoliero" > There are indeed certain similarities between these two tracks, but > this is typical for Kraftwerk, and IMO they are not more significant > as the similarities between "Spacelab" and "Computer World", or > between "Ruckzuck" and "Trans Europe Express", for example. Really? That's never struck me before. Could you eleborate, Klaus? I have often noticed that there's usually at least one song per album which changes key from Cmajor, up a minor 3rd to Eflat major (eg Spacelab & TEE & Computerworld) DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) "Abzug" Date: 18 Sep 1998 21:27:36 +0100 (BST) On Fri, 18 Sep 1998, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > Or maybe it's just an example for an inconsistent play on words. :-) Yes, isn't "zu" a German prepositional prefix thing, like "ab" - so they are making a little word (diminutive form!) by saying "abzug". Or something... DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk's Forum Date: 18 Sep 1998 23:47:01 +0000 Thanks ROBOT, for using the Kraftwerk's Forum. I remind to the rest of Werkers, that you still can use it: http://apps.vantagenet.com/aforums/thread2.asp?id=1998916131159 cya, -Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: (kw) KW-reference Date: 18 Sep 1998 23:41:59 +0200 I just heard the Model by the Balanescu Quartet from my TV. It was an advert for a program this sundag - the covering and reporting from the Swedish election by the major Swedish TV-channel TV2. /Joakim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) "Rueckstoss Gondoliero" Date: 19 Sep 1998 00:44:41 +0000 > But I'd bet my money that Florian was just getting Rother & Dinger > to jam along in the vein of "staratovarious", and that's what it ended up > sounding like. I'm not so sure if Florian Schneider was the driving force behind this track. Isn't it also very similar to some of the material on the first NEU! album? > > as the similarities between "Spacelab" and "Computer World", or > > between "Ruckzuck" and "Trans Europe Express", for example. > > Really? That's never struck me before. Could you eleborate, Klaus? I'd say that the main themes in "Spacelab" and "Computer World" are very similar. Don't you agree? The similarities betweeen "Ruckzuck" and "Trans Europe Express" are more evident in the live versions, not so much in the album versions. During the 1975 tour, "Ruckzuck" mutates more and more into "Trans Europe Express". At the end of the 1975 tour, the intro for "Ruckzuck" is almost identical to the later "TEE" intro, and Ralf Huetter even introduces "Ruckzuck" as being "a song about trains". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: (kw) languages Date: 19 Sep 1998 00:15:21 +0000 What languages did Kraftwerk use in its compositions? German, English, Russian, Spanish.. French? And how correct did sentences/words in those languages (except English and German) were spelled/pronounced by Kraftwerk? About Russian I can say, that if the words were written on a paper, they would be correct, but KW pronounced them with wrong accents. Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) "Abzug" Date: 19 Sep 1998 02:58:59 +0200 On 18-Sep-98 A.D., Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) "Abzug"": >>> What does "Abzug" mean ? In my dictionary I found so many meanings: >>>=20 >>> 1. Rauchabzug (smoke outlet) >>> 2. Gewehrabzug (trigger of a gun) >>> 3. Lohnabzug (stoppage) >>> 4. Flucht (escape) >>> 5. Rabatt (rebate, allowance) >>> 6. Abzug eines Fotos (print of a photograph) [...] > When this track begins, the train is already driving and at the end it=20 > becomes to stand still. Wouldn=B4t that rather mean "arriving train" ? Hmmm, I wonder why your dictionary didn't include the most common meaning, i.e. "departure"... It's probably also a play with the words "ab" (off/away/from etc. etc.) and "Zug" (train). Train off? I guess the Front 242 album "Evil Off" could be called "Abb=F6se" or something in German by the same definitions... ;) As a curiosity, in Swedish the exact equivalent would be "avt=E5g" ("av"=3D"ab", "t=E5g"=3D"Zug"). --=20 E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob VonMoss Subject: Re: (kw) languages Date: 18 Sep 1998 22:10:07 -0500 Vladimir Ivaschenko wrote: > What languages did Kraftwerk use in its compositions? German, English, Russian, > Spanish.. French? "Each Knee Sahn Chee" "Dentaku" "Kadafy knee" Japanese. Isn't there an Italian version of Pocket Calculator or the Robots or both? > And how correct did sentences/words in those languages (except English and > German) were spelled/pronounced by Kraftwerk? About Russian I can say, that if > the words were written on a paper, they would be correct, but KW pronounced > them with wrong accents. "Spacelab" sounds more like "Spacelack" through the vocoder. "Werkers of the world, unite!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) "Abzug" Date: 19 Sep 1998 05:44:32 +0200 On 19-Sep-98 A.D., Emanuel Mair carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) "Abzug"": > As a curiosity, in Swedish the exact equivalent would be "avt=E5g" > ("av"=3D"ab", "t=E5g"=3D"Zug"). Maybe I should have made it clearer that "avt=E5g" really is a proper Swedish word. Oh well, I guess this is getting highly uninteresting... Why can't we all speak Latin or Esperanto?? --=20 E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: Re: (kw) "Abzug" Date: 19 Sep 1998 10:49:27 +0200 G. Benedikt Rochow schrieb: > > > > Abzug = ein _ab_fahrender Zug. > > > [ a train that's starting to leave/move - depends on your > > > perspective. ] > > > When this track begins, the train is already driving and at the end it > becomes > > to stand still. Wouldn´t that rather mean "arriving train" ? > > No, it couldn't, because of the meaning of the prefix 'ab'. > A less likely possibility is a person leaving the (stopped) train, > or, more likely, the train leaving after the passenger has > stepped off. Or it could be referring to the demise of the > TEE system, which I think was around that time. > > -gbr > I got another idea. "Abzug" could be a short for "Abart eines Zuges" (variety of a train). How does that sound ? Greetings Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: (kw) Pocket Calc. in italian Date: 19 Sep 1998 11:53:39 +0200 Bob VonMoss wrote: >"Each Knee Sahn Chee" "Dentaku" "Kadafy knee" Japanese. Isn't there an Italian >version of Pocket Calculator or the Robots or both? In the KW bootleg "Hyper Cerebral Machine", Vox Populi - WORK 5536-2, recorded live at the Apollo Theatre in Firenze, Italy, May 19th 1981, during the performance of Pocket Calculator Hutter says instead of "I'm the operator of my pocket calculator" the italian translation "sono l'operatore del mio piccolo calcolatore". That's all ! OK ? Bye :-) Didi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Site updated Date: 19 Sep 1998 09:38:39 -0300 Thanks Jules for your Konvoy update. I put a link at my page to your site. Let's sign it to know who will go to the gigs... I will be there. :-) A link to Victor Miranda's MAM photos is there too... http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html Well, I made some new experiments in my kraftworld site. Now it has some more info, like links, guestbook and discography... it's under construction, but tell me what's good and bad. http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/ Thanks a lot peace Nicolau # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) "Rueckstoss Gondoliero" Date: 19 Sep 1998 14:09:58 +0100 (BST) On Sat, 19 Sep 1998, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > I'm not so sure if Florian Schneider was the driving force behind > this track. Isn't it also very similar to some of the material on the > first NEU! album? Well, one might guess that the boys from Neu! weren't able to do anything that sounded different! [I always picture a comedy sketch where Klaus Dinger comes into the studio all excited and says to Michael Rother "Hey, Michael, I've got this great new idea for a new song!" "kewl, let's hear it!" says Rother... Dinger sits behind the drums and goes 'duh duh tish, duh duh duh tish, duh duh duh tish, duh duh duh tish,...' Then the next day it happens again, and again... and again... ah, the joys of 4/4 ;-) ] Although, all the track consists of is jamming along in 4/4, getting faster to climax, with Florian & Rother noodling in a mixolydian mode, first G then D, if I remember right. I'd say the compositional intent comes more in the choice of instrumentation and so on. > I'd say that the main themes in "Spacelab" and "Computer World" are > very similar. Don't you agree? Now that you mention it, yes, I suppose so. I think the TEE & Electric Cafe melodies are much more similar though! :) If I recall correctly, Airwaves, TEE, Spacelab, and Computerworld (and probably some other's I've forgotten...) all have exactly the same chord progression, ie |: I | IIIflat :| and usually in the same key, so they go C major, Eflat major Hence the similar feel. > The similarities betweeen "Ruckzuck" and "Trans Europe Express" are > more evident in the live versions, not so much in the album versions. > During the 1975 tour, "Ruckzuck" mutates more and more into "Trans > Europe Express". At the end of the 1975 tour, the intro for > "Ruckzuck" is almost identical to the later "TEE" intro, and Ralf > Huetter even introduces "Ruckzuck" as being "a song about trains". Ah, that's very interesting, I didn't know that. I guess that goes partway to explain why they don't play Ruckzuck anymore... cos it just changed into being TEE. DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) languages Date: 19 Sep 1998 13:45:50 +0000 Bob VonMoss wrote: > Vladimir Ivaschenko wrote: > > ? What languages did Kraftwerk use in its compositions? German, English, Russian, > ? Spanish.. French? > > "Each Knee Sahn Chee" "Dentaku" "Kadafy knee" Japanese. Isn't there an Italian > What do those words mean? > "Spacelab" sounds more like "Spacelack" through the vocoder. > > "Werkers of the world, unite!" :-) Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: OGO Yoichiro Subject: Re: (kw) languages Date: 19 Sep 1998 23:19:31 +0900 Hi! At 1:45 PM +0000 98.9.19, Vladimir Ivaschenko wrote: > Bob VonMoss wrote: > > Vladimir Ivaschenko wrote: > > ? What languages did Kraftwerk use in its compositions? German, English, >Russian, > > ? Spanish.. French? > > > > "Each Knee Sahn Chee" "Dentaku" "Kadafy knee" Japanese. > What do those words mean? "Each Knee Sahn Chee"=1.2.3.4 (ichi nii san shii) from "Numbers" "Nummern". After this phrase, Russian continues, as you know :) "odin dva tri" "Dentaku" means Pocket calculator in Japanese. "Kadafy knee"=?? I don't know ;( Yoichiro ----- mykhogo@venus.dti.ne.jp http://www.geocities.co.jp/HeartLand/8640 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) RE: Livetapes wanted Date: 19 Sep 1998 07:43:45 -0700 > I am looking for livetapes from Kraftwerk's recent concerts in Los > Angeles and San Francisco. I was at the Los Angeles show at the Hollywood Palladium. Given that everyone was searched on the way in (my pack of Camels was confiscated and thrown, ceremoniously, into the trash) I doubt that any of the "regular" audience could have walked in the front door with recording equipment. That said, BOTH balconies were "VIP" sections and there are many back doors to the venue. Where there is a will there is a way, so I may be totally wrong ;-) BTW, the concert was great! Summary of the LA Times review: Techno-Rocking Kraftwerk Charges Up; Pop music review: In its first L.A. concert in almost 15 years, the German quartet shows the influence of its groundbreaking circuit-driven music.; Wednesday, June 10, 1998 Home Edition Section: Calendar ID: 0980053919 Words: 537 Byline: MARC WEINGARTEN SPECIAL TO THE TIMES Kraftwerk hasn't released an album of original material in close to a decade, its live shows are few and far between and none of the four members has gone on to release any recent solo material of note. So how is it that the German quartet not only sold out the Hollywood Palladium on Monday but managed to turn this ultra-rare L.A. appearance--its first in close to 15 years--into one of the can't-miss musical events of the year? Complete article is at: http://www.latimes.com/cg-bin/slwebcli?DBLIST=lt98&DOCNUM=50602 But the bastards want $1.50 for it. My first post here, Bay Ghandhi ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Email: bghandhi@earthlink.net IRC: devnulx (EFnet) (o_ (o_ (o_ //\ (/)_ (/)_ V_/_ Linux: choice of the GNU generation ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Eriksson Subject: (kw) KW's US agent Date: 19 Sep 1998 17:18:07 +0200 From the credits on the inner sleeve of the Dutch release of TEE (1A 062-82306): "Personal Management: President - Ira Blacker 1010 Hammond street, W. Hollywood, CA 90069" and then a small logo for Mr I. Mouse ltd cheers /Tomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "precision_lies" Subject: (kw) Rother & Moebius concert in New York city Date: 19 Sep 1998 04:36:23 -0400 Michael Rother (Kraftwerk, Neu!, Harmonia) and Dieter Moebius (Harmonia, Cluster) are scheduled to appear at The Cooler on October 23rd & 24th. The Cooler is located on 416 West 14th Street. By the way, Rother was only involved with the earliest incarnations of Kraftwerk circa 1970. -Michael F. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: (kw) off-topic Date: 19 Sep 1998 17:07:43 +0300 Hi everybody! my Argentinian friend Carlos (claudio@playagrande.com) asked me to send this for him to the list: >Eduardo, por favor, envia un mensaje a la lista diciendo que no me >funciona el email para enviar, porque probablemente haya personas que me >escriben y que no reciben respuesta mia y pensaran que no les hago caso. Eduardo [AVELLAR], please send a message to the list saying that my email can't send messages, that I'm only receiving them, and if anyone that wrote to me did not received an answer, please explain that it's because of technical problems, it's not bad intentions from my part... ok? thanks to all, best regards, AVELLAR (& Claudio Faschini, currently offline) Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. * http://members.tripod.com/~AVELLAR - under construction! * mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fern Nielsen Subject: (kw) Take me off the mailing list Date: 20 Sep 1998 18:16:39 -0600 Take me off the mailing list # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: weldelectronica@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: (kw) tickets, Date: 20 Sep 1998 22:28:36 -0400 does anyone know if there had been rumors about more north america shows??? i missed them in the summer (was in europe) and would love to them toronto would be the best!!!!! weld # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: Duesseldorf (was: Re: (kw) Komputer on Kraftwerk) Date: 21 Sep 1998 04:26:04 EDT > when all it is is... erm... a provincial backwater. At least it is the capital of Northrhine-Westfalia. ... and there rests the case for the prosecution ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Take me off the mailing list Date: 21 Sep 1998 09:36:36 +0100 Fern Nielsen wrote: > > Take me off the mailing list yes sir! see that bit below?......... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Komputer concert reviews Date: 21 Sep 1998 12:43:45 +0000 Reviews of recent Komputer liveshows can be found in todays editions of the following German newspapers: Hannoversche Allgemeine, online at: http://193.168.213.132/cgi-bin/vgmDAL/pageGen/getHannover.htd?iPage=22 06&iStoryID=12619&jzq-id=wd062376cee708df95i0pc1bde327 Berliner Morgenpost, online at: http://www.berliner-morgenpost.de/bin/bm/e?u=/bm/inhalt/heute/ feuilleton/story17.html Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) komputer on kraftwerk Date: 21 Sep 1998 09:11:34 -0400 well, okay. let's just say that komputer are a total rip-off of kraftwerk, (which i don't actually believe). what about the bands and musicians of the same time frame, (back when) that also fall into the same category? i'll admit, i wound up listening to jon foxx and gary numan in the old days just waiting for new kraftwerk to be released. at the time, however, (and even still) i thought they were pale imitations, and not very good ones, at that. still, i'd listen to ultravox! or numan - i think what was missing from their work is the humor that is part of the kraftwerk persona. komputer actually seem to have a certain humor about them as well. i don't remember jon foxx or gary numan being asked about influence at the time, (and i honestly didn't follow either of them to much extent), but, there certainly is no denying their obvious debt. oddly, it seems that both of them wound up "borrowing" only one aspect of kraftwerk, the mechanical (somehow morphed into alienated) aspect, which i never really enjoyed much. kraftwerk seemed first and foremost to be human, they didn't desire to "be" machines, they used machines. numan and foxx took it one step further, (or halted the progression, actually) and said we "are" machines, (or want to be). i didn't notice any "toungue in cheek" in either foxx's or numan's delivery of similar material. all very serious. even devo seemed to be more into the aspect of humans using technology - komputer spring from this "school" as well, as in "more automation". and i guess that's why i tend to "forgive" them if they don't come right out and say "we are highly influenced by kraftwerk". many have been influenced, and have probably admitted it. it didn't make their output any better, however. i'd still rather listen to "looking over london" than "are friends electric". just personal taste, i know... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) recording KW Date: 21 Sep 1998 10:23:40 +0200 Marc Houle wrote: > Were ALL of the KW albums recorded at kling klang? No. The firsts LPs were recorded at Conny Plank's studio. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Osvaldo Dalzotto Subject: (kw) New Member from Argentina + Buenos Aires Concert Date: 21 Sep 1998 10:42:20 -0300 Hi all from Argentina, My name is Osvaldo Dalzotto and I'm a fan of Kraftwerk since I was a teenager. Last Saturday I was listening to the radio when I heard that Kraftwerk was having a concert in Buenos Aires on October 12 ! I couldn't believe it since I always thought they wouldn't come to Argentina so I inmediately visited Kraftwerk Official Site and I realized it was truth !! As soon as I turned off the computer I bought the ticket by telephone ! I'm very excited about this concert and since you European and American have already seen this show, I would like you to tell me any information about it, Do they play any new songs, do you have the whole list of songs they play in this show ? Somebody from any other country than Argentina is coming to Buenos Aires to see this show ? Is there any other Argentinian member in this mailing list ? I hope you can reply to me soon thru the mailing list or in private to: osvaldo@clearhouse.com.ar Cheers, Osvaldo -- ************************************************************* Enigma Lyrics Page: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/7875/lyrics.htm E-mail: mailto:sayago@internet.siscotel.com ************************************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) komputer on kraftwerk Date: 21 Sep 1998 15:25:07 +0000 At 9:11 am -0400 21/9/98, Fred_Harding@idx.com wrote: >i think what was missing from their work is the humor that is part of the >kraftwerk persona. komputer actually seem to have a certain humor about >them as well. >i don't remember jon foxx or gary numan being asked about influence at the >time, (and i honestly didn't follow either of them to much extent), but, >there certainly is no denying their obvious debt. Foxx gave credit to Kraftwerk, but said in interviews that he felt there should be electronic _songs_ as opposed to "chants" (e.g. 'Autobahn'!). Numan always gave credit to Ultravox! (sic - the first incarnation, with Foxx on vocals) as being his main influence. I would argue that Foxx's solo album was in turn shaped somewhat by the influence of Numan's success. >oddly, it seems that >both of them wound up "borrowing" only one aspect of kraftwerk, the >mechanical (somehow morphed into alienated) aspect, which i never really >enjoyed much. kraftwerk seemed first and foremost to be human, they didn't >desire to "be" machines, they used machines. numan and foxx took it one >step further, (or halted the progression, actually) and said we "are" >machines, (or want to be). i didn't notice any "toungue in cheek" in >either foxx's or numan's delivery of similar material. all very serious. Foxx styled himself more as what he called "The Quiet Man" rather than as a machine. Alienation (going back to Ultravox!'s song 'Disclocation') was a recurrent theme, but with an emotional (even sexual) aspect which contrasted with much of Numan's depressive themes. And although Numan sang songs from the point of view of robots etc., he wrote a lot more from the point of view of a human in a machine-donminated dystopia. K -- "I want to be a machine. I want to be a MiniPops." - Minny Pops. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) komputer on kraftwerk Date: 21 Sep 1998 15:36:02 +0100 Kevin Busby wrote: > > At 9:11 am -0400 21/9/98, Fred_Harding@idx.com wrote: > > >i think what was missing from their work is the humor that is part of the > >kraftwerk persona. komputer actually seem to have a certain humor about > >them as well. > >i don't remember jon foxx or gary numan being asked about influence at the > >time, (and i honestly didn't follow either of them to much extent), but, > >there certainly is no denying their obvious debt. > > Foxx gave credit to Kraftwerk, but said in interviews that he felt there > should be electronic _songs_ as opposed to "chants" (e.g. 'Autobahn'!). > Numan always gave credit to Ultravox! (sic - the first incarnation, with > Foxx on vocals) as being his main influence. I would argue that Foxx's solo > album was in turn shaped somewhat by the influence of Numan's success. Also, Numan credited artists outside the normal fray of electronic music, names such as Bolan, Mott the Hoople and Bowie, and let us not forget that Numan was born of the punk era, not the electronis age, a fact echoed in the first album at least. He still employs the use of copious git-fiddle work. Now, he does admit that kraftwerk had an effect on him, but his attitude to this was that they were 'too cold'. One thing about numan, he always was ready to admit where he got his influences from, a fact that has beleagured his career since. Saying that he liked and aspired to be ultravox simple led to call of plagurism, which in my humblest of opinions is not true. It is only _now_ that artists quote numan as a real and valid entry in the great music book of the sky. Rightly so too. > >machines, (or want to be). i didn't notice any "toungue in cheek" in > >either foxx's or numan's delivery of similar material. all very serious. > > Foxx styled himself more as what he called "The Quiet Man" rather than as a > machine. Alienation (going back to Ultravox!'s song 'Disclocation') was a > recurrent theme, but with an emotional (even sexual) aspect which > contrasted with much of Numan's depressive themes. And although Numan sang > songs from the point of view of robots etc., he wrote a lot more from the > point of view of a human in a machine-donminated dystopia. Exactly, and, didn't Computer World come AFTER 'The Pleasure Principle' and 'Telekon'? weird eh?? Who's copying who? Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) komputer on kraftwerk Date: 21 Sep 1998 16:01:22 +0100 (BST) On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Kevin Busby wrote: > machine. Alienation (going back to Ultravox!'s song 'Disclocation') was a > recurrent theme, but with an emotional (even sexual) aspect which > contrasted with much of Numan's depressive themes. And although Numan sang > songs from the point of view of robots etc., he wrote a lot more from the > point of view of a human in a machine-donminated dystopia. Yeah, I agree with what you're saying, but I've also always noticed that a helluva lot of Numan's songs from his days on Beggar's Banquet ('77-'88) are about 'queers' and 'rent boys' etc, as anyone who reads the lyric sheets will have to agree. A most neglected strand of his work, I feel... DAVE ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Bryant Subject: (kw) Gary Numan? Date: 21 Sep 1998 16:15:41 +0100 Let's not bring down the tone of the Kraftwerk mailing list by getting into discussions about Gary Numan. Numan's "Kraftwerk-lite" has very little to recommend it, writing songs from the point of view of a mincing robot has very little to recommend it. Whether or not he was influenced by Kraftwerk - his work is almost without exception poor and belongs to the dustbin of music history. Let's hear no more about him! Paul ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION ** This message is intended only for the use of the person(s) ("the Intended Recipient") to whom it is addressed. It may contain information which is privileged and confidential within the meaning of applicable law. Accordingly any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message or any of its contents by any person other than the Intended Recipient may constitute a breach of civil or criminal law and is strictly prohibited. If you are not the Intended Recipient please contact the sender and dispose of this email as soon as possible. If in doubt contact the Tibbett & Britten Group Network Administration Department on 01707 391010 (UK). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Gary Numan? Date: 21 Sep 1998 16:29:43 +0100 Paul Bryant wrote: > > Let's not bring down the tone of the Kraftwerk mailing list by > getting into discussions about Gary Numan. > Numan's "Kraftwerk-lite" has very little to recommend it, writing > songs from the point of view of a mincing robot has very little to > recommend it. > Whether or not he was influenced by Kraftwerk - his work is almost > without exception poor and belongs to the dustbin of music history. Is there any basis for these opinions? I mean, it's elitism to discount a valid contributor to the early breakthrough of electronic music. Were you actually there? > Let's hear no more about him! No, lets discuss kraftwerk _and_ related acts, the very definition of this ML. And IMHO, _nobody_ has the right to discount one artist over another. Were we not originally discussin Komputer? A band with less credentials to their name than Numan, and IMO, less to say for themselves. It's my opnion, but i'm not gonna tell folks not to talk about them. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Bryant Subject: (kw) Bad Influences? Date: 21 Sep 1998 16:26:42 +0100 Gary Numan influenced by Kraftwerk? Either there was something wrong with his Stereo in the late 70's or he had access to some extremely poor Kraftwerk tracks that no-one else heard. Paul Bryant ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION ** This message is intended only for the use of the person(s) ("the Intended Recipient") to whom it is addressed. It may contain information which is privileged and confidential within the meaning of applicable law. Accordingly any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message or any of its contents by any person other than the Intended Recipient may constitute a breach of civil or criminal law and is strictly prohibited. If you are not the Intended Recipient please contact the sender and dispose of this email as soon as possible. If in doubt contact the Tibbett & Britten Group Network Administration Department on 01707 391010 (UK). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) komputer on kraftwerk Date: 21 Sep 1998 16:33:58 +0100 David Davis wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Kevin Busby wrote: > > machine. Alienation (going back to Ultravox!'s song 'Disclocation') was a > > recurrent theme, but with an emotional (even sexual) aspect which > > contrasted with much of Numan's depressive themes. And although Numan sang > > songs from the point of view of robots etc., he wrote a lot more from the > > point of view of a human in a machine-donminated dystopia. > > Yeah, I agree with what you're saying, but I've also always noticed that > a helluva lot of Numan's songs from his days on Beggar's Banquet ('77-'88) > are about 'queers' and 'rent boys' etc, as anyone who reads the lyric > sheets will have to agree. > A most neglected strand of his work, I feel... Indeed, and most of it explained in his book 'praying to the aliens' On that note also, it's pplain that he is not in fact writing simply of 'queers' and 'rentboys', but a darker, more sinister theme. 77-88? eh? He left BB in 1983 AFAIK. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Bad Influences? Date: 21 Sep 1998 16:36:34 +0100 Paul Bryant wrote: > > Gary Numan influenced by Kraftwerk? > Either there was something wrong with his Stereo in the late 70's or > he had access to some extremely poor Kraftwerk tracks that no-one > else heard. Who said he was? He certainly didn't, he did admit to having heard them though. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: (kw) KW influence Date: 21 Sep 1998 11:45:14 -0400 (EDT) I was listening to New Order's 1987 album SUBSTANCE over the weekend and was struck at how Kraftwerk-esque some (not all) of the tracks were. Either they were using the same equipment, or they did some sampling, as some of the sounds were identical to a few heard on ELECTRIC CAFE (1986). But anyway, I remember thinking when a couple of the tracks were playing that this is what Kraftwerk might have done if they had kept going, rather than going on hiatus. ******************************************************************************* John Morgan "In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias Student Services, they had warfare, terror, murder, and The University of Michigan bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, LS&A Honors Program Leonardo da Vinci, and the http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ Renaissance. In Switzerland including The Colin Wilson Page they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. See you later, Holly." --Orson Welles, THE THIRD MAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) komputer on kraftwerk Date: 21 Sep 1998 16:51:09 +0000 At 3:36 pm +0100 21/9/98, Jules Seifert wrote: >One thing about numan, he always was ready to admit where he got his >influences from, a fact that has beleagured his career since. Saying >that he liked and aspired to be ultravox simple led to call of >plagurism, which in my humblest of opinions is not true. Foxx accepted the compliment that Numan paid him with good grace, but Numan complains in his autobiography about remarks made by Midge Ure, Foxx's replacement as lead singer of Ultravox. The popular-science magazine 'Focus' recently dismissed Numan as "the poor man's David Bowie"; whatever one thinks of him, journalism of the sort is lazy (we have of course seen equal crassness is music press coverage of Kraftwerk, before they were elevated to their current status of Technogodhood!). At 4:01 pm +0100 21/9/98, David Davis wrote: > Yeah, I agree with what you're saying, but I've also always noticed that >a helluva lot of Numan's songs from his days on Beggar's Banquet ('77-'88) >are about 'queers' and 'rent boys' etc, as anyone who reads the lyric >sheets will have to agree. > A most neglected strand of his work, I feel... I'm not exactly sure how you're relating this to the machine theme (if indeed you are!) but Numan's autobiography explains this recurrent theme as stemming (if I remember correctly) from his receiving welcome attentions from a record company executive; subsequently he used the theme to evoke an atmosphere of sleaze (to put this in context, he also states that he's heterosexual, and also that he doesn't understand people who object to homosexuals). BTW, I'm not a fan of Numan's, but did find the autobiography amusing. K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) komputer on kraftwerk Date: 21 Sep 1998 17:19:06 +0100 MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: > > >it's pplain that he is not in fact writing simply of > 'queers' and 'rentboys', but a darker, more sinister theme. > > maybe Numan & Almond should get together ! hehe, highly unlikely, considering they'd rather kill each other than spend a second in the same room ;-) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Komputer concert reviews Date: 21 Sep 1998 22:11:11 +0000 I've got this message by private mail, but it was obviously intended for the list, so here it is: > can someone interpret these to english?? > thx > weld > > > > > Reviews of recent Komputer liveshows can be found in todays editions > > of the following German newspapers: > > > > Hannoversche Allgemeine, online at: > > http://193.168.213.132/cgi-bin/vgmDAL/pageGen/getHannover.htd?iPage=22 > > 06&iStoryID=12619&jzq-id=wd062376cee708df95i0pc1bde327 > > > > Berliner Morgenpost, online at: > > http://www.berliner-morgenpost.de/bin/bm/e?u=/bm/inhalt/heute/ > > feuilleton/story17.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: List topics (Re: (kw) Gary Numan?) Date: 21 Sep 1998 22:22:59 +0000 > No, lets discuss kraftwerk _and_ related acts, the very definition of > this ML. More precisely, the definition of this list, as given in the intro message, is "Kraftwerk and other *directly*-related acts (Elektric Music, et al.)". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Gary Numan? Date: 21 Sep 1998 22:33:44 +0000 > valid contributor to the early breakthrough of electronic music. The early breakthrough of electronic music happened about 20-30 years before artists like Gary Numan or Kraftwerk started to become successful. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: llacost@juno.com (Larry R LaCost Jr.) Subject: (kw) Basskraft (repub material) Date: 21 Sep 1998 13:28:12 -0700 As Basskraft releases their tribute CD in 1998 (1998 Pandisc PD8924-2), some of the tracks have been released prior this CD. The U.S. release of Old Skool P.O.F. - Old School Jams Vol. 1 (1996 Pandisc PDD-8886) offers Basskraft's Computer World and Tour De France. Still I thought it is a better tribute to Kraftwerk than most tributes and Kraftwerk remixes. Very danceable, very Americanized, which in a way it's production may fall into some criticism on this list group as this tribute literally is striped from all European musical qualities that Kraftwerk had put into their work. Larry... _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: (kw) what is this ? Date: 21 Sep 1998 23:41:42 +0200 -----Mensaje original----- De: Paul Bryant Para: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com Fecha: lunes 21 de septiembre de 1998 23:24 Asunto: (kw) Bad Influences? >** IMPORTANT INFORMATION ** >This message is intended only for the use of the person(s) ("the Intended Recipient") >to whom it is addressed. It may contain information which is privileged and confidential [...] >Recipient may constitute a breach of civil or criminal law and is strictly prohibited. >If you are not the Intended Recipient please contact the sender and dispose of this email >as soon as possible. If in doubt contact the Tibbett & Britten Group Network Administration >Department on 01707 391010 (UK). I don't wanna be unmanerly but... Wow ! Don't you think this is too much for a public mail list ? Juan Prieto - MuSiK musik@cheerful.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Power" Subject: (kw) more on Komputer Date: 21 Sep 1998 21:49:32 +0100 Just an funny little diversion (which may have been posted a while ago - I've been off the list for a while) on the Komputer debate....this is Q magazine's review of "The World of Tomorrow" from the July '98 issue: Komputer The World of Tomorrow Mute CDStumm 162 They're posing for consumer products now and then. They wish. Mute has a history of taking the piss. In the late-70's, they gave us The Silicon Teens, some squeaky-voiced electropoppers who turned out to be Mute boss Daniel Miller with a peg on his nose. Now come Komputer, who may well be real, but devote themselves to sounding like Kraftwerk if Kraftwerk were sill making bloody records. From the cosmanaut tribute Valentina to the self explanatory Komputer Pop, they liver their lives between The Man Machine and Computer World. Karl Bartos once complained that being in the inactive Kraftwerk was like having a jumbo jet in the garden and never flying it; Komputer are at worst an Airfix biplane and at best The Robot Rutles. Their finest moment is Looking Down On London, where German mekanik voices give way to English urban narrative and suddenly Komputer seem strange and interesting, rather than just daft. *** Review by David Quantick Just as a side note, I heard a funny story about one of Komputer's first gigs, supporting Erasure in late '96. On hearing the words of Looking Down On Loooking down on London, one member if the audience was heard to blurt out "Those aren't lyrics; they're reading the f**king tube map!" Ta ta for now Alien Dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RUDYDADUCK@aol.com Subject: (kw) ymo Date: 21 Sep 1998 19:24:48 EDT anyone know what ymo albums are mostly influenced by kraftwerk? specifically computerworld... thanks # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mauricio Gonzalez Subject: RE: (kw) New Member from Argentina + Buenos Aires Concert Date: 22 Sep 1998 00:12:10 -0400 HI OSVALDO, I SENT A PRIVATE EMAIL FOR YOU (IN SPANISH) REGARDS MAURICIO ---------- De: Osvaldo Dalzotto Enviado el: Lunes 21 de Septiembre de 1998 09:42 AM Para: Kraftwerk M.L. Asunto: (kw) New Member from Argentina + Buenos Aires Concert Hi all from Argentina, My name is Osvaldo Dalzotto and I'm a fan of Kraftwerk since I was a teenager. Last Saturday I was listening to the radio when I heard that Kraftwerk was having a concert in Buenos Aires on October 12 ! I couldn't believe it since I always thought they wouldn't come to Argentina so I inmediately visited Kraftwerk Official Site and I realized it was truth !! As soon as I turned off the computer I bought the ticket by telephone ! I'm very excited about this concert and since you European and American have already seen this show, I would like you to tell me any information about it, Do they play any new songs, do you have the whole list of songs they play in this show ? Somebody from any other country than Argentina is coming to Buenos Aires to see this show ? Is there any other Argentinian member in this mailing list ? I hope you can reply to me soon thru the mailing list or in private to: osvaldo@clearhouse.com.ar Cheers, Osvaldo -- ************************************************************* Enigma Lyrics Page: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/7875/lyrics.htm E-mail: mailto:sayago@internet.siscotel.com ************************************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Gary Numan? Date: 22 Sep 1998 09:27:19 +0100 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > > valid contributor to the early breakthrough of electronic music. > > The early breakthrough of electronic music happened about 20-30 > years before artists like Gary Numan or Kraftwerk started to become > successful. > It was meant in the context of music for the masses, not the elitists. ;-) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Basskraft (repub material) Date: 22 Sep 1998 05:46:06 EDT "Very danceable, very Americanized, which in a way it's production may fall into some criticism on this list group as this tribute literally is striped from all European musical qualities that Kraftwerk had put into their work." Europa Endlos, I say... death to the new world beatz !!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JT Subject: (kw) Active-K: Detroit 1998! - Part 1 Date: 22 Sep 1998 07:00:13 -0400 Active-K has been updated and now has MP3s from the Detroit 1998 concert. So far, due to time constraints, only the first half is posted. The second half should follow within the week. If you have not book marked the page yet, here's the URL: http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/activek.html ** Special thanks to "Steve" for kindly providing the audio to this wonderful event. Regards, -John ______________________________________________________________ The Electronica of Efofex - "Noise has a new purpose" http://efofex.simplenet.com Join the f(x) mailing list! http://efofex.simplenet.com/mailinglist.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: (kw) introducing myself :-) now? Date: 22 Sep 1998 13:46:58 +0200 Hi all ! Yes, I know... I'm a little lacy introducing myself now, when I'm here since past may. :-)) But I was a little complexed for my ignorance about KW. I began interesting for KW when I saw a photo from TG'97 in Future Music (Spanish magacine). I thought: Who are that boys ? What a serious futuristic look ! I have been working like DJ and I heard KW recorded in tapes from Valencia (Spook Factory early 90's). I have some of this tapes (But I didn't know this were KW). Later, in May this year, when I was interesting about Sonar, I saw KW were scheduled !!!!! I began to look for information in Internet and I founded this mail list when somebody said in YELLO mail list. First I was surprised for the activity and the all sides of the world people are here. Russia, Japan, Australia, North and South America, Japan... (is there anibody from Africa ?), Europa... The fantastics reports of some of you... And then... wow ! KW live !!!!!! What a experience ! After the concert, I began searching KW records.Now I have The Mix (CD), Computer World (CD)and The Man Machine (vinyl). About my live... I'll be 26 next October-23 (you will can congratulate me:-)). I'm studyng computers (Technic Ingenieryng)... (Hi ! is there any job from Japan??-?-) I started making computer music 3 yrs ago. And I'd like to find a job releated with music because IS MORE FUN TO COMPUTE than databases. I'll try to finish studies this year and maybe I'll began a course about electric music and I'd like made one about sound in moovies. (I Know in Barcelona there is a place wher I can make this courses, but I'll agree any information about other electronic music courses in anyplace, I'd like to travel.) (Mail me privately) I'm living in Malgrat de Mar (60 km. north from Barcelona, in front of the beach:-)). And that's all folks !!! Regards Juan Prieto - MuSiK (don't stop ;-)) musik@cheerful.com ICQ # 15980193 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Basskraft (repub material) Date: 22 Sep 1998 11:26:22 +0000 At 5:46 am -0400 22/9/98, MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: >Europa Endlos, I say... death to the new world beatz !!!! Speaking of which... I would guess that 'Europe Endless' was one track Numan _did_ listen to... Compare 'Airlane' ? K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) more on Komputer Date: 22 Sep 1998 11:31:07 +0000 At 9:49 pm +0100 21/9/98, David Power wrote: >Mute has a history of taking the piss. In the late-70's, they gave us The >Silicon Teens, some squeaky-voiced electropoppers who turned out to be Mute >boss Daniel Miller with a peg on his nose. Not one of his finest moments, but quite fun. >On Loooking down on London, one member if the audience was heard to blurt >out "Those aren't lyrics; they're reading the f**king tube map!" Ah, now you see, if Kraftwerk had done that it would have been _ironic_. :-) K PS Mornington Crescent! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Aktivitaet Guide To Bootleg Date: 22 Sep 1998 11:03:57 +0200 Hello everybody, I have two issues of "The Complete Kraftwerkers Guide To Bootleg CD's (So far!)" published by the Aktivität fanzine team. ;-) Mail me if you are interesed. I can sell or swap for any KW produkt. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Marc et Claude vs. Dr. Sam: "A Tribute to Kraftwerk" Date: 22 Sep 1998 14:11:21 +0200 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > Yet another Kraftwerk tribute release: > > Marc et Claude vs. Dr. Sam: "A Tribute to Kraftwerk" > CD single, Orbit Records, Virgin7243 8 95315 2 7 > > Track listing: > 01. Radio Edit 02:58" > 02. Original Tribute 05:30" > 03. Superstring's Cafe del Mar interpretation 07:26" > 04. Electro Alternative 05:18" > 05. Original Instrumental 05:30" > > Credits: > "Music and lyrics by Klaus Derichs, Marc Romboy, Juergen Driessen" > > A 12" edition is also available. I guess they come from Germany. But, do you know where they come from? Which country? TIA. BTW, Cafe del Mar is a disco-bar from Ibiza (Eivissa, Balearic Islands, Spain). DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Ralf Beck & Lothar Manteuffel Date: 22 Sep 1998 14:52:33 +0200 Hi there, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > Hello, my question is simply whether ever anyone on the list was able to > > get the record produced by Lothar Manteuffel and Ralf Beck. It is > > released under the project name of Furtano and Montresor called > "Imagine". > > Actually, the project name is "Fortunato & Montresor", and the > procucers were Joerg Offer and Ralf Beck. Lothar Manteuffel was not > involved. Ha, ha, ha...! If they were women had been called " Fortunata & Jacinta ", like the title of the novel of Jacinto Verdager. Or maybe they can sing "Forunato, Fortunato, no es un perro ni es un gato" Excuse this stupidity, I just could not resist... >;-D DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Languages Date: 22 Sep 1998 10:31:29 +0200 Hi there, Bob VonMoss wrote: > Isn't there an Italian > version of Pocket Calculator or the Robots or both? The Italian version of Pocket Calculator was only perform in live. The Robots Italian version I never heard. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk on Spanish TV? Date: 22 Sep 1998 14:50:05 +0200 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > It is rumoured that excerpts from the recent Kraftwerk show in > Barcelona were shown on Spanish TV. > Is anybody able to confirm? Yes. The program was Sputnik TV on the Canal 33 TV Station (that it only emits for the Independent Community of Catalonia). I also request that TV apperance. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) "Rueckstoss Gondoliero" Date: 22 Sep 1998 15:07:20 +0200 Excuse me if this sounds like out-of-the-way, but I am thinking about the meaning of Rueckstoss Gondoliero. I do not speak German, but I think that Gondoliero (that it sounds like "gondolero") has something to do with a gondola (Venetian boat) driver. :-? DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) languages Date: 22 Sep 1998 15:04:23 +0200 > > > "Each Knee Sahn Chee" "Dentaku" "Kadafy knee" Japanese. > > What do those words mean? > "Each Knee Sahn Chee"=1.2.3.4 (ichi nii san shii) from "Numbers" > "Nummern". > > "Dentaku" means Pocket calculator in Japanese. > "Kadafy knee"=?? I don't know ;( Where have you heard "Kadafy knee"? The lyrics from this song (I think) are as follows: Denta Ku Bokuwa ongakuka, dentaku katateni Tashitari, hiitari Sousashite, sakkyoku suru Kono botan oseba, ongaku kanaderu And my guess is that it could be translate: Pocket Calculator I'm the operator with my pocket calculator I am adding and subtracting I'm controlling and composing By pressing down a special key, it plays a little melody BTW, Isn't it ongaku the Japanesse word for "a fan of Manga or comics in general"? DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Pocket Calc. in Spanish + Languages Date: 22 Sep 1998 15:05:16 +0200 Christian Di Sante wrote: > In the KW bootleg "Hyper Cerebral Machine", Vox Populi - WORK 5536-2, > recorded live at the Apollo Theatre in Firenze, Italy, May 19th 1981, > during the performance of Pocket Calculator Hutter says instead of "I'm the > operator of my pocket calculator" the italian translation "sono l'operatore > del mio piccolo calcolatore". During the concerts in Spain of the 1991 Tour, Huetter sang "Yo soy el operador de mi pequeño calculador", but in Spanish we say "calculadora", even the translation for Pocket Calculator is "calculadora de bolsillo". DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Depeche Mode does Kraftwerk Date: 22 Sep 1998 14:50:52 +0200 I wrote: > > On "The Model" it merge all the techno-pop stereotypes granted with > > exuberance by spurious descendants like Depeche Mode (David Gahan, Martin > > L. Gore, Andy Fletcher) -from Basildon, Essex- in general, and the > > ex-member Alan Wilder (now in Recoil) in particular, they said to be > > influenced by KRAFTWERK, mainly in their early years. Klaus Zaepke replied: > Ironically, the October issue of Musik-Express features an interview > with Dave Gahan, who states that he was not very much influenced by > Kraftwerk, particulary not in the early years. :-) I can't thinking it. Do you know an URL where this interview were available? TIA. I cannot believe it. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Basskraft (repub material) Date: 22 Sep 1998 14:10:50 +0100 Kevin Busby wrote: > > At 5:46 am -0400 22/9/98, MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: > > >Europa Endlos, I say... death to the new world beatz !!!! > > Speaking of which... I would guess that 'Europe Endless' was one track > Numan _did_ listen to... Compare 'Airlane' ? > hmm, there _is_ some similarity, but i'm unsure personally whether it's a tenable link. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mallade" <0732240d01@cplus.es> Subject: RE: (kw) Ralf Beck & Lothar Manteuffel Date: 22 Sep 1998 16:06:26 +0200 >If they were women had been called " Fortunata & Jacinta ", like the >title of the novel of Jacinto Verdager. Fine... however "Fortunata y Jacinta" was written by Benito Perez Galdos. ;-P mallade@abonados.cplus.es http://members.tripod.com/~mallade # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) introducing myself :-) now? Date: 22 Sep 1998 14:08:03 +0000 J.Prieto - MuSiK wrote: > Hi all ! > > Yes, I know... I'm a little lacy introducing myself now, when I'm here since > past may. :-)) But I was a little complexed for my ignorance about KW. Hmm, it seems that it is a tradition to announce yourself to the kw mailing list. Ok, some info about me then.. I live in Russia,Krasnodarski Krai,Novorossiyk. Near Black Sea (well, beach is actually 500m away from me), in South. Moscow is 1500km away to North. My town is small (250000 people) and finding any KW related material is hard, because I can only buy KW in the marketplace, no way to order it in bigger towns etc. Delivery from USA is too expensive :-) I first heard KW when I was 5-6, it was Autobahn. I "forgot" about it for several years until this year, when I found "The Mix" on one of my old casettes and listened to Autobahn, which reminded me of past old days. :-) (really, I consider Autobahn the best KW albums). I thought, "how could I forget about them??" Now I'm trying to collect all KW material I can lay my hands on :) BTW, if anyone is willing to give me space for kraftwerk mp3s on good nonratio FTP site for a long time, please mail me. I have about 340mb of mp3 and other stuff. It would be nice to buy all KW disks, but in regions like mine it is hard to buy even a nonlegal copy :( (and I doubt there were any legal KW releases in Russia) Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: RE: (kw) Marc et Claude vs. Dr. Sam: "A Tribute to Kraftwerk" Date: 22 Sep 1998 16:40:55 +0200 (DFT) > > Yet another Kraftwerk tribute release: > > > > Marc et Claude vs. Dr. Sam: "A Tribute to Kraftwerk" > > CD single, Orbit Records, Virgin7243 8 95315 2 7 > > I guess they come from Germany. But, > do you know where they come from? Which country? TIA. Sorry, there's no further information on the sleeve. The record company has a website (www.orbit-records.com), but it is "under construction"... Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: RE: (kw) Languages Date: 22 Sep 1998 16:43:50 +0200 (DFT) > The Italian version of Pocket Calculator was only perform in live. No, a studio version does exist, though it wasn't released on a record. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: RE: (kw) Depeche Mode does Kraftwerk Date: 22 Sep 1998 16:48:05 +0200 (DFT) > > > On "The Model" it merge all the techno-pop stereotypes granted with > > > exuberance by spurious descendants like Depeche Mode (David Gahan, Martin > > > L. Gore, Andy Fletcher) -from Basildon, Essex- in general, and the > > > ex-member Alan Wilder (now in Recoil) in particular, they said to be > > > influenced by KRAFTWERK, mainly in their early years. > > > > Ironically, the October issue of Musik-Express features an interview > > with Dave Gahan, who states that he was not very much influenced by > > Kraftwerk, particulary not in the early years. :-) > > I can't thinking it. > Do you know an URL where this interview were available? TIA. Sorry, I don't think that the article is online. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Komputer & Kraftwerk Date: 22 Sep 1998 16:55:12 +0200 (DFT) The September issue of the German freebie magazine Aktiv features a comparative article about Komputer and Kraftwerk, as well as a full page EMI advert for Kraftwerk and Komputer CD's. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Houle Subject: (kw) More on Komputer... Date: 22 Sep 1998 11:57:04 -0400 >The Robot Rutles.... That's one of the best things I've ever heard. Marc ------------ Kraftwerk=KW Komputer=RR # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Osvaldo Dalzotto Subject: (kw) Prices of tickets for Buenos Aires concert Date: 22 Sep 1998 13:32:12 -0300 Hi all, Ticket Prices: Buenos Aires, Estadio Obras Sanitarias, Oct. 12th 1998 Popular: $ 20.00 Campo: $ 30.00 Platea: $ 40.00 1 Peso ($) Argentino = 1 US Dollar Cheers, Osvaldo -- ************************************************************* Enigma Lyrics Page: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/7875/lyrics.htm E-mail: mailto:sayago@internet.siscotel.com ************************************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Corchado Subject: RE: (kw) Depeche Mode does Kraftwerk Date: 22 Sep 1998 12:49:43 +0000 (GMT) > > Ironically, the October issue of Musik-Express features an interview > > with Dave Gahan, who states that he was not very much influenced by > > Kraftwerk, particulary not in the early years. :-) >=20 > I can't thinking it. > Do you know an URL where this interview were available? TIA. >=20 > I cannot believe it. >=20 > DER AUTOMAT =AE I remember that shortly after the release of Strangelove (summer 1987, I guess) Depeche Mode said in the Spanish TV that some people compare them to Kraftwerk just because they use synthesizers and industrial sounds, but they think they have a quite different sound, much closer to american rock than Kraftwerk.=20 I really think some albums (Construction time again and Some great reward, especially) seem to be greatly influenced by Kraftwerk, but at that time (1983, 1984) a lot of bands were also doing metallic noises with their computers. Moreover the evolution of the band seems to lead them to american rock. Can you imagine Kraftwerk using Gospel choirs, as DM did in one of the songs in Songs of Faith and Devotion? (I don't remember its name).=20 Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Claudio Falaschini" Subject: (kw) Ticket Prices in Argentina Date: 23 Sep 1998 08:35:20 -0300 Hi! I'm back to the list again (i fixed my dns so i now have email, smtp) I bought my ticket (and the ticket of Eduardo Avellar) via TickeTek (a phone sales network ) and i paid for it (campo) $36.00 instead of $30 (buying directly). Hey expensive service... isnt? :) Claudio > Osvaldo Dalzotto said > Hi all, > Ticket Prices: Buenos Aires, Estadio Obras Sanitarias, Oct. 12th 1998 > Popular: $ 20.00 > Campo: $ 30.00 > Platea: $ 40.00 > 1 Peso ($) Argentino = 1 US Dollar > Cheers,Osvaldo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Osvaldo Dalzotto Subject: Re: (kw) Prices of tickets for Buenos Aires concert Date: 22 Sep 1998 16:47:10 -0300 Hi Claudio, >I bought my ticket (and the ticket of Eduardo Avellar) via TickeTek (a >network ) and i paid for it (campo) $36.00 Yes, you're right, they add charges for buying it by telephone plus mail. Are you going to Campo too ? I bought two for Platea, primera fila en el medio. Cheers, Osvaldo PD= hey Claudio, you have a wrong 'YEAR' in your email date !! Fix it. -- ************************************************************* Enigma Lyrics Page: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/7875/lyrics.htm E-mail: mailto:sayago@internet.siscotel.com ************************************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: Vb: (kw) KlingKlang OPEN Date: 23 Sep 1998 14:30:22 +0100 In june 1998 I came up with this idea and a lot of the fellow listmembers thought it was great but I must say not much has happened since then, so I thought that maby by now you've collected tons and megs of creative work so here we go again COME ON YOU LAZY SODS! At http://members=2Etripod=2Ecom/~KWHTML/index=2Ehtml I've got 10Mb of free homepage, this one is ment to be used by YOU! The idea is that I give you all, fellow listmembers, access to do whatever you want on this page, put in pictures, text, sound=2E=2E=2E=2E related to=20= Kraftwerk, a living KlingKlang site!!! Isn't it a great Idea???? To edit the page you'll have to go to: http://homepager=2Etripod=2Ecom/service/homepager/chooser/index=2Ehtml And give a Username: KWHTML And a password: wrtrzx Its possible to use pre-made layouts (For people like me who isn't so good=20= at HTML) or to use your HTML knowledge to make it as you like=2E I hope you all use your creativity! /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom=2E # To post, email kraftwerk@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom; replies go to original s= ender=2E # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web=2Ebham=2Eac=2Euk/busbykg/kraftw= erk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) komputer on Kraftwerk Date: 23 Sep 1998 15:22:26 +0200 Fred_Harding@idx.com wrote: > i don't remember jon foxx or gary numan being asked about influence at the > time, (and i honestly didn't follow either of them to much extent), but, > there certainly is no denying their obvious debt. It is obvious that Numan was influenced by KW, he named his song "Cars" as a tribute to Autobahn. > oddly, it seems that > both of them wound up "borrowing" only one aspect of kraftwerk, the > mechanical (somehow morphed into alienated) aspect, which i never really > enjoyed much. Gary Numan borrowed not just KRAFTWERK's music but also their robot image and their cybernetic coolness putting them to the service of colourist pop patterns. In like manner Ultravox confess the great influence of bands like Roxy Music and KRAFTWERK. > even devo seemed to be more into the aspect of humans using technology - > komputer spring from this "school" as well, as in "more automation". and i > guess that's why i tend to "forgive" them if they don't come right out and > say "we are highly influenced by kraftwerk". many have been influenced, > and have probably admitted it. it didn't make their output any better, > however. i'd still rather listen to "looking over london" than "are > friends electric". Of course any musician can admire to another band and to use that influence to make its own music but IMHO we cannot (and shoudn't) tolerate that act copies behaved shamelessly and indiscriminately to another band. In this case Komputer and KW. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) YMO Date: 23 Sep 1998 11:19:48 +0200 RUDYDADUCK@aol.com wrote: > anyone know what ymo albums are mostly influenced by kraftwerk? > specifically computerworld... Yellow Magic Orchestra (Haruomi Hosono, Yukihiro Takahashi and Ryuichi Sakamoto) was called, in the begining of their musical career "the japanese answer to KRAFTWERK", however they never was a copy of the mythical German band. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) "Abzug" Date: 23 Sep 1998 11:12:06 +0200 Emanuel Mair wrote: >Why can't we all speak Latin or Esperanto?? In Dei Nomine Esperanto musiko La lingua del futuro "You've got the perfect pitch for the universal language" DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) KW influence Date: 23 Sep 1998 15:51:55 +0200 John B. Morgan wrote: > I was listening to New Order's 1987 album SUBSTANCE over the weekend and > was struck at how Kraftwerk-esque some (not all) of the tracks were. > Either they were using the same equipment, or they did some sampling, as > some of the sounds were identical to a few heard on ELECTRIC CAFE (1986). > But anyway, I remember thinking when a couple of the tracks were playing > that this is what Kraftwerk might have done if they had kept going, > rather than going on hiatus. Before dying Ian Curtis commented to his companion Peter Hook during the listening of a Kraftwerk's record: " we must sound like this". DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Osvaldo Dalzotto Subject: (kw) Buenos Aires concert Date: 23 Sep 1998 11:10:39 -0300 Hi all, According to Ticketek, after KW concert at Obras Sanitarias, Buenos Aires, Argentina, there will be a "Clubing Show" with DJ's Diego Ro-K, Hernan Cattaneo and Urban Groove. Osvaldo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) komputer on Kraftwerk Date: 23 Sep 1998 15:14:30 +0100 Der Automat wrote: > > It is obvious that Numan was influenced by KW, he named his song "Cars" as > a tribute to Autobahn. Do you have any basis for this wildy interpretive statement? The song is based on a personal safety theme, and bears no relation to the more 'global' aspects of autobahn. Numan has never made a tribute record AFAIK. > Gary Numan borrowed not just KRAFTWERK's music but also their robot image > and their cybernetic coolness putting them to the service of colourist pop > patterns. Annother wildy assumptive statement. Numan leaned more heavily to the 'alien' approach than the 'robot' approach with his music and imagery. He was fascinated by science fiction text, and this is particularly evident in the 1979 album 'replicas'. And again, on the subject of 'borrowing' music, I might remind you that 'The Pleasure Principle' came out before 'Computer World'. In fact, it could be deemed that R&F were studying Numan in detail, a fact somewhat substantiated when viewing video clips from the 1981, where Ralf can clearly be seen dancing behind his keyboard in a rather Numanesque style. > In like manner Ultravox confess the great influence of bands like Roxy > Music and KRAFTWERK. As stated before in this ML, Numan has never directly listed kraftwerk as a major influence, in fact he is more likely to quote either glam rock bands of the 70's and the early British new wave artists such as Ultravox (pre Midge Urine) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: RE: (kw) KW influence Date: 23 Sep 1998 15:47:59 +0000 At 3:14 pm +0100 23/9/98, Jules Seifert wrote: >In fact, it >could be deemed that R&F were studying Numan in detail, a fact somewhat >substantiated when viewing video clips from the 1981, where Ralf can >clearly be seen dancing behind his keyboard in a rather Numanesque >style. Like a werker, you mean? At 3:51 pm +0200 23/9/98, Der Automat wrote: >Before dying Ian Curtis commented to his companion Peter Hook during the >listening of a Kraftwerk's record: " we must sound like this". > Dramatic! "We... must... sound.. like... aaaargh". I suppose that explains Bernard's vocal style. K (sorry) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timon Marmex Trzepacz Subject: (kw) Komputer is to Kraftwerk as OMY is to YMO Date: 23 Sep 1998 01:50:27 -0700 Greetings! I just thought I'd add to the general discussion of the band Komputer as a ripoff of Kraftwerk that there is a band in Japan called OMY (Oriental Magnetic Yellow) which is a clone of the pioneering Japanese technopop band YMO (Yellow Magic Orchestra). I don't thing their material is available outside of Japan though. Generally, OMY is much more up front about their ripoff of YMO than Komputer is of their ripoff of Kraftwerk. OMY albums generally have covers and names which are parodies of YMO albums. For example, for YMO's album "Solid State Survivor" there is the OMY album "Sonic Skate Survivor"... Anyway, my take on both Komputer and OMY is that they are amusing parodies with some listening value, despite their patent lack of originality. It's not like either band has any new material to listen to... YMO got back together for one CD called "not YMO" which was fairly disappointing straight modern techno with William Burroughs quotes for lyrics that didn't sound like YMO at all. Based on the few new songs Kraftwerk has played live, I worry that they are following a similar path, and we will end up with the next (and last) Kraftwerk album we get will be a very lame techno album. Oh, people were discussing Gary Numan as well. I only very recently got interested in his material, but I found some of it quite enjoyable. It's definitely not anything like Kraftwerk. I especially like all his early punk-rock stuff from "The Plan-1978" and "Replicas". I do think that he is very inconsistent, especially in his later material. It keeps sounding more and more like he is trying to do George Clinton in his backing tracks... Thomas Dolby went through a similar phase but at least he actually worked with George Clinton on those tracks... While I am jumping around the various threads, I thought I'd mention that there were some other Miami-Bass interpretations of Kraftwerk by some fellow known as "Techmaster P.E.B." on his album "Bass Computer" (1991). Needless to say, this is very much DJ album meant to play in your lowrider with the subwoofer cranked up so as to annoy the neighbors. This album also comes with the "Warning-Contains ultra-low bass which may damage speakers!" warning. The most fun part of this album is trying to identify all of the samples used... lots of Kraftwerk, Art of Noise, Salt'n'Pepa, too many to mention! So does anybody else like "Denki Groove"? Take care. -- Timon -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Folkvord" Subject: (kw) KW fonts Date: 23 Sep 1998 17:37:30 +0200 Hello all, I am writing a small review of The Robots in my Jarre fanzine, and would = like to know if there are any free Kraftwerk fonts out there for = download, preferably the font used on the Robots sleeve. I'd appreciate = any hint of an URL or if anybody could email me some Windows TrueType = fonts. Jarre forever! (and Kraftwerk) Glenn Jean-Michel Jarre Fanclub Norway Seljeveien 18, 2022 Gjerdrum Email glenn@jmjfkn.com Go to www.jmjfkn.com Since/etablert 1993 Publisher of IMAGES magazine Organiser of the international JMJ tribute album # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) Komputer is to Kraftwerk as OMY is to YMO Date: 23 Sep 1998 16:40:31 +0000 Timon Marmex Trzepacz wrote: > lyrics that didn't sound like YMO at all. Based on the few new songs > Kraftwerk has played live, I worry that they are following a similar > path, and we will end up with the next (and last) Kraftwerk album we get > will be a very lame techno album. > I just wanted to note that all Kraftwerk live perfomances sound rather different than on original disks. They sound more like "mass" music. I guess this is ok, because it would be hard to keep big crowd of people excited and interested with their normal "slow" music, where you listen to the details of the music, but its hard to perform "detailed" music live. Hope you understand what I mean :-) And, BTW, recent KW live perfomances don't sound like modern techno. Their sound is much more .., hmm, complicated. Modern techno is really a bunch of samples?effects organized in several patterns. Because of this I usually get bored after listening two or three modern techno songs (they sound the same). So, I'll wait for the new KW album before expressing any opinions on it. Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Morgan" Subject: (kw) Electrik music Date: 23 Sep 1998 17:51:25 +0100 I just wondered if anyone has the new Elecrtik music CD and single and if so has any opinions about it. i personally loved the first Album, thought it was what Kraftwerk should have been doing. I remember somone posting that the 2nd CD was full of dreadful guitar stuff and was basically a big dissapointment. Is it true ? i jsut did not want to spent a lot of money on buying an expensive import if it is bad. Just wasted a load of money buying Kraftwerk ultra rare trax in a london Cd shop. It is the worst rip off i have ever heard.... manageed to get the YAMO Time Pie Cd but was not too impressed either. needless to mention Komputer... ugg! anyway thanks in advance.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: Sv: Re: (kw) komputer on Kraftwerk Date: 24 Sep 1998 12:54:27 +0100 Annother wildy assumptive statement=2E Numan leaned more heavily to the 'alien' approach than the 'robot' approach with his music and imagery=2E He was fascinated by science fiction text, and this is particularly evident in the 1979 album 'replicas'=2E Dont forget "The naked lunch" by William Burroughs! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) "Abzug" Date: 24 Sep 1998 15:48:20 +0200 Hi there, Excuse my ignorance (again). Is not Abzug a synonymous of Rückzug? Is Rückzug just like Ruckzuck? DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Depeche Mode does Kraftwerk Date: 24 Sep 1998 10:54:31 +0200 Jose Corchado wrote: > I remember that shortly after the release of Strangelove (summer 1987, I > guess) Depeche Mode said in the Spanish TV that some people compare them > to Kraftwerk just because they use synthesizers and industrial sounds, but > they think they have a quite different sound, much closer to american rock > than Kraftwerk. Of course there are many bands and musicians more influenced by KW than DM. > I really think some albums (Construction time again and Some great reward, > especially) seem to be greatly influenced by Kraftwerk, but at that time > (1983, 1984) a lot of bands were also doing metallic noises with their > computers. Moreover the evolution of the band seems to lead them to > american rock. Can you imagine Kraftwerk using Gospel choirs, as DM did in > one of the songs in Songs of Faith and Devotion? (I don't remember its > name). I think that song is "Judas". From the poorest DM era. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) languages Date: 24 Sep 1998 15:40:31 +0200 OGO Yoichiro wrote: > Does "kadafy knee" mean the "Dentaku"?? > is "kadafy knee" "Katateni" (taken from Dentaku)? > Is "Kadafy knee" a jargon of the "Dentaku"?? Sorry, I do not know. Does anyone? > Ongakuka means an composer (mainly classical music), so; > I'm a composer, holding pocket calculator with a hand. Thanks for the clarification. > > BTW, Isn't it ongaku the Japanesse word for "a fan of Manga or comics > > in general"? > Ongaku means only music. You took otaku for ongaku :) > otaku means as you say "a fan of Manga or comics in general" Sorry for the mistake and thanx for the correction. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Numan & Foxx Date: 24 Sep 1998 15:50:43 +0200 Numan has always insisted on the enormous influence that Ultravox has had in his music. In the early days of Ultravox John Foxx (whose authentic name is Dennis Leigh) confessed the great influence of bands like Roxy Music and KW had on them. Also "Systems Of Romance", the third Ultravox's LP was produced by Conny Plank. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) More on Komputer... Date: 24 Sep 1998 10:24:26 +0200 Marc Houle wrote: > >The Robot Rutles.... > > That's one of the best things I've ever heard. > > Marc > ------------ > Kraftwerk=KW > Komputer=RR Excuse me, what is the meaning of The Robot Rutles? DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) I have beaten my own record Date: 24 Sep 1998 15:47:23 +0200 Ultravox5@aol.com wrote: > 9 messages all at once.....great. I am sorry to trouble you, but I think if so you would not have to read my posts and/or to delete them. If much amount of messages bothers to you, have you thought about leaving this mailing list? Then see below. >8-D DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: Sv: (kw) I have beaten my own record Date: 24 Sep 1998 16:29:45 +0100 DER AUTOMAT wrote: >If much amount of messages bothers to you, have you thought about leaving >this mailing list?=20 >Then see below=2E >8-D Why not start an Automat-mailinglist? :-))) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: (kw) Rueckstoss / Truckstop Gondoliero Date: 24 Sep 1998 11:19:15 EDT People may like to know that "Truckstop" is/was Germany's foremost Country & Western act. Perhaps Florian Schneider (ex Kid Creole & Coconuts) also has a history of working within the Country genre ? BTW: I have a tape copy of Truckstop's greatest hits (sung in German) which includes the classic "Die Frau mit dem Gurt" (The Woman with the Belt), a sensitive ballad about a road safety campaign promoting the use of seatbelts which featured a poster of a naked woman modelling just such an automotive restraint. Nice ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Houle Subject: (kw) More on Komputer...(THE RUTLES) Date: 24 Sep 1998 11:27:54 -0400 > The Rutles? it was a monty python parody thing bout the beatles. Kinda > like a spinal Tap. > > http://www.pythonline.com/unoff/rutles/ > > M > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) "I have beaten my own record" Date: 24 Sep 1998 09:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Der Automat wrote: > > > Ultravox5@aol.com wrote: > > > 9 messages all at once.....great. > > I am sorry to trouble you, but I think if so you would not have to read my > posts > and/or to delete them. > > If much amount of messages bothers to you, have you thought about leaving > this mailing list? > Then see below. >8-D Here, here! to Ultravox5. It would be nice if people could reply to multiple messages within one e-mail instead of replying to each and every posting separately. There's also a German list member who does the same thing. It makes navigating one's way through countless messages about Komputer and Depeche Mode Does KW and Numan and whatever even more tedious. Options: 1) block certain people's addresses from your e-mail, which I find extreme for a non-abusive situation but almost necessary here; 2) give up on being able to read most messages because it's too time-consuming...I'm almost appalled by the number of KW e-mails I've received in the last week during a period of relative KW inactivity (unless you're in South America waiting for them, which most list members are not); 3) quit the list until there is noticeable KW activity again, but if I did that, how would I know when that is?? It's a lose-lose-lose situation. Jeff _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Komputer is to Kraftwerk as OMY is to YMO Date: 24 Sep 1998 12:34:17 -0400 It keeps sounding more and more like he is trying to do George Clinton in his backing tracks George Clinton was about the last person I ever expected to hear mentioned here... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) komputer on Kraftwerk Date: 24 Sep 1998 12:59:11 -0400 >> It is obvious that Numan was influenced by KW, he named his song = "Cars" >>as a tribute to Autobahn. >Do you have any basis for this wildy interpretive statement? >The song is based on a personal safety theme, and bears no relation to >the more 'global' aspects of autobahn. The discussions of Autobahn, what influenced it, what was influenced by = it (influenced by Fun, Fun, Fun? I don't see it) I think Autobahn was directly influenced by "Frantic Freeway" by Spike = Jones. From 1961, it predates either Kraftwerk or The Beach Boys. = True, in those days, synths (in fact most electronic music) was still a = ways off. I think Spike would have loved KW 1 & 2, had he lived to see = it. BTW, if anyone is interested in hearing Frantic Freeway, I could make a = .WAV file and E-Mail it to anyone who would like to hear it, just ask. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) "I have beaten my own record" Date: 24 Sep 1998 18:14:47 +0100 i find it easier to navigate when one person puts several messages on at once.that way you can avoid what you want to avoid because the heading tells you what it's about.as for klaus zaepke, he is beyond reproach!he puts us all to shame with the amount of clear, concise information he brings to the list.which is the very thing i, for one , joined it for. chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) KW gigs in Brazil Date: 24 Sep 1998 15:43:12 -0300 Until today, from 4000 tickets for each brazilian gig, Kraftwerk sold 2500 for Sao Paulo concert and just 1000 for Rio de Janeiro concert. This way Rio gig will be a flop... :-( peace Nicolau http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) many postings or one big one? Date: 24 Sep 1998 12:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Chris Raistrick wrote: > as for klaus zaepke, he is beyond reproach!he puts us > all to shame with the amount of clear, concise information he brings to the > list.which is the very thing i, for one , joined it for. I didn't name names, but I always know who to count on to find out that 12 minutes of KW was broadcast on Swedish radio or Swiss TV 3 nights ago.... Almost any volume of messages is manageable if people choose an appropriate subject heading for their posting. Most just use the default, which is why I feel like I'm on the Komputer list all of a sudden--never heard them, don't care to. Jeff _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PITT Mike Subject: (kw) Advance notice to VH1 UK viewers Date: 24 Sep 1998 21:58:00 +0100 Hi, On the 14 th October OMD will be picking their ten favourite tracks of all time. Expect at least one KW vid in their sellection and hope it's not 'The Model' for the millionth time ;) That's 'Ten of the Best - OMD' VH1 uk 14th October afternoon. Mike. Kraftwerk Live 1981 and Cover Versions. http://website.lineone.net/~mike.pitt/tdk.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: (kw) Numan stuff Date: 24 Sep 1998 19:32:16 +0500 Okay, I'll throw in my two cents about Gary Numan... I don't think he owes very much to Kraftwerk, except inasmuch as they influenced British pop music. Numan has always been more rock-oriented rather than technology-oriented-- I recently saw his show in NYC, and it was basically just a band on a stage. No robots, no costumes, no nothing. But they rocked so hard that my ears still hurt the next day. :-) Nowadays Numan is doing some weird inverted-religious stuff... the kind of thing that would appeal to fans of Marilyn Manson (whose videos were shown before the concert). About his literary influences-- wasn't he planning to write a series of sci-fi novels? That's where the idea of Machmen (robot executioners), Greymen (government agents) and Friends (robot companions) came from. Gary is dressed as a Machman on the cover of 'Replicas'. And that's all I want to say right now about Gary Numan on the Kraftwerk list. Thank you. -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary Pedoto" Subject: (kw) trade Date: 24 Sep 1998 21:30:58 -0400 Hi I'm new here so, here is a little bit about myself concerning my interest in Kraftwerk. My interest in Kraftwerk began in 1974 when I first heard "Autobahn" in it's entirety at about 2:00am on FM radio. I was hooked instantly and Kraftwerk has been my favorite band ever since. I saw their concert at The Ritz in New York City on August 04,1981 and of course, I was at their recent (and amazing) concert on June 13th 1998, at The Hammerstein Ballroom also in New York City. Incidentally, I'm looking for a good quality recording of the New York concert or any other good quality recording of the 1998 tour. I have a good quality live recording of their August 03, 1981concert at The Ritz for trade. It's great to have found a site concerning Kraftwerk. They have no equal in electronic music. Gary # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: FW: (kw) Komputer is to Kraftwerk as OMY is to YMO Date: 25 Sep 1998 04:19:39 EDT Is George Clinton Bill's Big Brother ? Give that man a cigar !! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) KW gigs in Brazil Date: 25 Sep 1998 09:42:39 +0100 tg97 wrote: > > Until today, from 4000 tickets for each brazilian gig, Kraftwerk sold > 2500 for Sao Paulo concert and just 1000 for Rio de Janeiro concert. > This way Rio gig will be a flop... :-( > > peace > Blimey, here we go..... The gigs will sell out, wait for it! Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: FW: (kw) Komputer is to Kraftwerk as OMY is to YMO Date: 25 Sep 1998 10:11:54 -0400 Is George Clinton Bill's Big Brother ? Only if one of them got their color (colour) changed... Give that man a cigar !! Give me one of them too! I've heard of cigars soaked in whisky or brandy, but to have one that's been soaked in cider is a new idea... np:Spike Jones - Minka # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: (kw) ymo Date: 25 Sep 1998 16:30:09 +0100 the track "neue tanz" from the album "technodelic"[1983] is a tribute to the boys. chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark reed Subject: Re: (kw) KW gigs in Brazil Date: 03 Sep 1998 11:05:14 +0100 >> Until today, from 4000 tickets for each brazilian gig, Kraftwerk sold >> 2500 for Sao Paulo concert and just 1000 for Rio de Janeiro concert. >> This way Rio gig will be a flop... :-( Considering how rare KW shows are, why don't they play some obvious places and satisfy the fans demand,.... I can't afford to fly to Brazil, the phone bill is difficult enough! -- mark reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: (kw) Russian Radio DJ Date: 25 Sep 1998 20:27:04 -0600 Vladimir writes.... >I first heard KW when I was 5-6, it was Autobahn. I "forgot" about it for several years until this year, when I found "The Mix" on one of my old cassettes and listened to Autobahn, which reminded me of past old days. :-) Vladimir, What year did you listen to "Autobahn"? Was it the mid-seventies? Who was the Russian Radio Station/DJ that played it? I now pose the question.....where were all of you when you first heard "Autobahn", album too? I first heard it on the radio at 5:00 PM (during peak traffic), the year, 1975. The feeling of driving from El Paso, Texas to Anthony, New Mexico (20 mile stretch) was prophetic. Here I am driving 55 MPH (back then) and "Autobahn" playing at what I would guess 98 beats per minute. (if not slower). Fast driving, slow music. This song made me think. I was still reeling from "Popcorn". Who remembers "Popcorn"? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Petersen Jens Bang jbp" Subject: (kw) Autobahn for the first time Date: 26 Sep 1998 10:54:38 +0100 FXCordero:=0D >I=20now=20pose=20the=20question.....where=20were=20all=20of=20you=20wh= en=20you=20first=20heard=0D >"Autobahn",=20album=20too?=0D Well,=20when=20you=20ask....=20In=201974=20my=20big=20brother=20bought=20= the=20cassette.=20He's=2015=20years=20=0D older=20than=20me,=20and=20was=20at=20the=20time=20living=20in=20a=20fo= rmer=20garage=20with=20a=20big=20window=20=0D where=20the=20entrance=20had=20been.=20I=20was=204=20years=20old,=20loo= king=20out=20through=20the=20big=20dark=20=0D window,=20hearing=20cars=20driving=20past=20me.=20I=20was=20fascinated!= !!!=0D This=20is=20in=20fact=20one=20of=20the=20earliest=20memories=20I=20have= =20from=20my=20childhood=20-=20and=20=0D maybe=20that=20explains=20my=20ongoing=20fascination=20for=20electronic= =20music.=0D Jens=0D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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