From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) singing voices in Autobahn Date: 01 Oct 1998 04:56:10 EDT I think it's a "piss-take". It's simply to cheesy to be real ! BUT: ask our German werkers: The music scene over there is still pervaded by Volksmusik... cod-traditional songs performed by ageing Bavarians wearing lots of (traditional) leather garments in inappropriate places. KW once described their music as "Volksmusik" ("peoples' music"... note positioning of apostrophe) which was a tongue-in-cheek allusion to both this dreadful music (incidentally churned out by just a few people with overtanned frontburschen/maedels doing the performing.... a pastoral stock/aitken/waterman ?) and also things like the Volkswagen... "peoples' car" (which again takes us back to the brownshirt thing... please send flames to this address). Basically, this 20 second snippet of KW having a lark at KlingKlang is just another example of how they can take a handful of deutsche Kultur, give it a good mince in the KlingKlang processor and turn it into ambrosial food for thought for us lot. Cool, aren't they ! K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) OMD on Kraftewerk again Date: 01 Oct 1998 13:49:15 +0100 any ideas when kw would have seen omd? chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Best KW's song Date: 01 Oct 1998 13:50:57 +0100 didn't ralf once say music is not a competition? chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: (kw) amusing kw reference Date: 01 Oct 1998 13:59:02 +0100 great reference in Q from neil hannon [ divine comedy ] on his favourite albums-obviously he doesn't agree about this non competitive thing - choosing autobahn. he says : "i was just intoxicated by kraftwerk. who are these people? are they people? " beat you to that one, klaus! chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Bryant Subject: (kw) From Dusseldorf to the Future (With Love) Date: 01 Oct 1998 14:22:00 +0100 I've just bought this book, all I can say after a quick skim is - There's a couple of nice pictures, particularly longhair Ralf in 1973. Aaah, history. Paul ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION ** This message is intended only for the use of the person(s) ("the Intended Recipient") to whom it is addressed. It may contain information which is privileged and confidential within the meaning of applicable law. 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Morgan wrote: > On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, drew dibble wrote: > > on a side note: does anybody know if ruckzuck was used as a theme song > > for a kids science show on PBS in the 80s? i just got into kraftwerk a > > year or two ago and i -swear- i've heard the song before. > > Yes, it was used as the theme song for "Newton's Apple" for a long time. Do you refer to a program (Newton's Apple, Isaac I guess) of a TV-station called PBS, from what country? Was Ruckzuck used as a tune main theme? TIA for the info. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Liquid Crystal Display Date: 30 Sep 1998 14:41:08 +0200 Hello everybody, I am back again!! "Heavy Rockets" (CD Drop003 EAN7393412015001) is the second album by LCD, the Swedish answer to Chemical Brothers, according to their label catalogue, Cascade (a subsidiary of Energy Records). "The record contains several potential hits. Great album for legs and mind. Real heavy dance-beats. A real killer. Great following in the USA. New single and album "Disco Inferno" to be release in spring 1998". Their first album was "Jupiter and Beyond Infinity". LCD played in the Virtual Summer 1994 Tour with Elektric Music at Scandinavia. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Komputer + Depeche Mode Date: 01 Oct 1998 09:42:01 +0200 * Komputer continue their European tour. * Depeche Mode continue their Singles Tour 86-98 in Europe. Forthcoming releases: 28/9 Depeche Mode "The Singles 86>98" album & video 5/10 Depeche Mode "Only When I Lose Myself" single extra formats (XLCD & L12") 12/10 Komputer "Terminus" single Depeche Mode "Some Great Videos 81>85" video will be released in October to coincide with the remastered album reissue. More details to follow as and when I have them. Additional info: http://www.mutelibtech.com/mute/ Thanks to Janet. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Covers Date: 01 Oct 1998 15:34:21 +0200 I am willing to bet that Kraftwerk is the most sampled group ever. Eve more than James Brown. Along with (... I can say) J. Brown (?), the Beatles (?), Kraftwerk are responsible for almost all modern pop music. Lord knows they've provided a nice map for techno. So, if you know some cover versions of Kraftwerk's song, bands have sampled KW, music styles and instruments inspired by, and on. Please write them here. For example, I say the cover of "Neon Lights" included on the OMD's record "Sugar Tax". ____ () / . . \/| () ( ---) | )) () \_____/\| Cheers! DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Electric Music Date: 01 Oct 1998 15:39:28 +0200 I wonder myself what influences have Bartos in his new record. Where have gone their years spent in Kraftwerk? I think the influences in this album come from The Rutles (or the less famous Rutles copy-cat group called The Beatles) ;-D DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) komputer on Kw + Gattaca + KW does DM Date: 01 Oct 1998 15:42:54 +0200 Fred_Harding wrote: >[Komputer] They take some elements of Kraftwerk that I enjoy, (melodic sense, humor) and >make it a bit more pop oriented, and yes, take a bit of the "art" out. >Certainly, they're breaking no ground. That's okay, perhaps in the future >(no pun intended) they will. Right now, they're at least fun to listen to. Komputer will be groundbreaking when they stop copying KW. Catchy tunes backed with kraftwerk's rhythms and sequences (and even melodies) cannot make original music at all. Anyway. I honestly think there's no more ground to break. I think it's time to rebuild instead of breaking ground. There's been so much ground breaking, so much demolishing lately, there's been so many foundations crashed it's time to build a new foundation. That's what I'd like to think musicians are doing - building something new. Anyone can break ground now - that's easy! On a side note. Did anyone of you see Gattaca film? IMHO the film shows a similar interest in the 40s/50s dated, "images of the future" idea is in evidence, "ancient future", etc., à la KRAFTWERK. Also this movie shows a great similarity, depicting ancient things -like character's costumes in a sort of 50's style- intermingle between hi-tech devices. I guess if you would try to film something 'futuristic' it'd be out of date or silly very soon, which the KW's videos are not. BTW, the "The Telephone Call" video-clip starts with a black-leather gloved hand playing a small model piano, which turns out to be a telephone which Huetter picks up. A similar small piano feature on the "Little 15" video by Depeche Mode. This piano is played by Martin Gore. I think that DM took this bit from the KW's video since the one of DM is subsequent to the one of KW. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Ein Zwei... a-go-go Date: 01 Oct 1998 15:56:53 +0000 At 12:19 am +0100 1/10/98, Philip Spedding wrote: >I first saw them about three years later, >in 1981, at the Hammersmith Odeon - sitting next to, by chance Landscape >('Einstein a Go Go'?). Like Kraftwerk, Landscape made an appearance on the television programme 'Tomorrow's World'. This was before their 'Einstein...' days, when they were a jazz-funk band using electronic drums, breath-controllers etc. Sound familiar? :-) BTW... On the subject of "What's your favourite song": maybe someone would like to organise a poll of responses, off-list, before the excitement becomes too much for us all (it's been a while since the last poll, so the overall results might be of passing interest). BTW2... I was surprised to see 'The Rutles' crop up on the list, but I too had linked these bands in my thoughts, since one of the Rutles songs ('Cheese & Onions' I believe) has the lines "Man or Machine / Keep Yourself Clean"! K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Antoine Bourdon" Subject: (kw) first contact Date: 01 Oct 1998 16:59:34 +0200 When will they release their next production ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Petersen Jens Bang jbp" Subject: RE:(kw) first contact Date: 01 Oct 1998 16:17:43 +0100 Antoine=20Bourdon:=0D >=0D >=0D >When=20will=20they=20release=20their=20next=20production=20?=0D Star=20Trek?=0D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "97fm" <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) best song Date: 01 Oct 1998 12:13:19 -0300 The Autobahn is the best song. Why ?? Because more long... Eduardo Monteiro (from Brasil) KRAFTWERK will play in my country !!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) KW's Apple Date: 01 Oct 1998 11:20:43 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Der Automat wrote: > Do you refer to a program (Newton's Apple, Isaac I guess) of a TV-station > called PBS, from what country? Was Ruckzuck used as a tune main theme? > TIA for the info. "Newton's Apple" was (and is, as far as I know) a kids' science show on PBS, which is a conglomerate of non-profit American TV stations. "Ruckzuck" was their theme song for many years, although I think they use something else nowadays. ******************************************************************************* John Morgan "In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias Student Services, they had warfare, terror, murder, and The University of Michigan bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, LS&A Honors Program Leonardo da Vinci, and the http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ Renaissance. In Switzerland including The Colin Wilson Page they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. See you later, Holly." --Orson Welles, THE THIRD MAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: computermusic@post.cz Subject: (kw) Virtual Technopop album Date: 01 Oct 1998 10:26:41 +0200 Hi All! Because Kraftwerk CZ exists one year, I put on-line Virtual Technopop album: Technopop (Demo) (MP3 256kbps/44,1kHz Stereo 8 MB) 4min 18s The Telephone Call (Razormaid - Mix) - Excerpt (MP3 256kbps/44,1kHz Stereo 8,5 MB) 4min 26s Sex Object (Technopop Demo) (MP3 256kbps/44,1kHz Stereo 7 MB) 4min 3s Tour de France (Disconet - Remix) (MP3 256kbps/44,1kHz Stereo 10 MB) 5min 33s All tracks are taken from bootleg album The Remix NOTE : Please don't link these files Bye Computer Music alias Metropolis from Prague Czech Republic My E-Mail: computermusic@post.cz My Pages: Kraftwerk CZ http://www.music.cz/kapely/kraftwerk Computer Music http://www.mageo.cz/home/COMPUTER_MUSIC/ IRC channel #kraftwerk ( 18:00 - 24:00 CET) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Covers Date: 01 Oct 1998 10:33:32 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, Der Automat wrote: > I am willing to bet that Kraftwerk is the most sampled group ever. Eve more > than James Brown. Along with (... I can say) J. Brown (?), the Beatles (?), > Kraftwerk are responsible for > almost all modern pop music. Lord knows they've provided a nice map for > techno. I'm with you on that. > So, if you know some cover versions of Kraftwerk's song, bands have sampled > KW, music styles and instruments inspired by, and on. Please write them > here. > For example, I say the cover of "Neon Lights" included on the OMD's record > "Sugar Tax". Where have you been, man? This is one of the perpetual topics of the list that gets brought up every few months. Anyway, I've been compiling a list of such samples for a while. It needs updating and a little re-werking (read: adding release dates). Look at: http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs/kw-refs.html There was another fella around here doing the same thing, but his site escapes me at the moment. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: (kw) oddity in Computerliebe Date: 01 Oct 1998 12:52:15 -0400 (EDT) In Computerliebe (Computerwelt version), it sounds as though the (master?) tape is slowed down, pulling down the pitch of all sounds (to anotehr proper key, as far as I can hear) during teh last second or so, after fade-out has begun. Is this an anomaly of the CD edition, or also prsent on older releases? -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik J. Eid" Subject: RE: (kw) A movie with KW Date: 01 Oct 1998 13:39:18 >Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 06:27:47 PDT >From: "Nicolau Centola" >Subject: (kw) A movie with KW > >Anybody knows something about a movie called MODULATIONS, from the >director Iara Lee? Last Friday's Detroit News had a sizeable article on techno music and made mention of this film. Here's what the article said about it: "Learn techno's history at a screening of 'Modulations' at Motor Detroit on Nov. 13. A film about the history of electronic music, it also features important Detroit deejays and their contributions. 'Godfather of Techno' Juan Atkins will be on hand to spin a set as well. Show starts at 10. Call Motor for information." The telephone number for Motor Detroit is (313) 396-0800. . . \_ +\_ + o_-/ . O . \-_o -=/- . . . . \=// . ---------\_______ ||O ___.______ /* Erik Eid */ \____||L/\_____/ /* eeid@wwnet.net */_______________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nick Lagwinski Subject: Re: (kw) A movie with KW Date: 01 Oct 1998 14:39:04 -0400 Erik J. Eid wrote: > > >Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 06:27:47 PDT > >From: "Nicolau Centola" > >Subject: (kw) A movie with KW > > > >Anybody knows something about a movie called MODULATIONS, from the > >director Iara Lee? > > Last Friday's Detroit News had a sizeable article on techno music and made > mention of this film. Here's what the article said about it: [snip] There's actually very little Kraftwerk content in the movie (if I'm not correct, it's even limited to a quote). There is simply such a giant slew of artists featured throughout the movie that we never hear about a specific one for more than a few seconds. And while it does become boring and ambiguous at the end, it's nevertheless an interesting and *very* informative movie. nick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "The March of the Kraftwerk Replicas"? Date: 01 Oct 1998 21:36:06 +0000 The CD "People Mover" by Elevator Drops (Time Bomb, 1997) features a track "The March of the Kraftwerk Replicas". Any idea what this is? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: RE: (kw) OMD on Kraftewerk again Date: 01 Oct 1998 21:37:50 +0000 > any ideas when kw would have seen omd? 1982. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) WOM Journal reviews Date: 01 Oct 1998 21:37:07 +0000 The October issue of the German freebie magazine WOM Journal has reviews of the recent Kraftwerk shows in Tokyo and Detroit, incl. two photos ("Mensch Meier" appearance 1991, "Autobahn" live 1997). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Volksmusik vs. Volkstuemliche Musik (Re: (kw) singing voices in Date: 01 Oct 1998 21:41:14 +0000 > BUT: ask our German werkers: The music scene over there is still > pervaded by Volksmusik... cod-traditional songs performed by ageing > Bavarians wearing lots of (traditional) leather garments in inappropriate places. > KW once described their music as "Volksmusik" ("peoples' music"... > note positioning of apostrophe) which was a tongue-in-cheek allusion to > both this dreadful music That's a questionable theory. The commercial music described above is in fact called "Volkstuemliche Musik", while Kraftwerk spoke about "Volksmusik", which means *authentic* traditional popular music. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Marc et Claude vs. Dr. Sam: "A Tribute to Kraftwerk" Date: 01 Oct 1998 21:42:10 +0000 > Yet another Kraftwerk tribute release: > > Marc et Claude vs. Dr. Sam: "A Tribute to Kraftwerk" > CD single, Orbit Records, Virgin7243 8 95315 2 7 The radio edit version of this track is also available on a Sony 2-CD compilation: "Clubtronic - 38 Electrifying Club Traxx". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Modulations" Date: 01 Oct 1998 21:43:23 +0000 > Anybody knows something about a movie called MODULATIONS, from the > director Iara Lee? http://www.modulations.com. > It has some parts with Kraftwerk, including some interviews!!! No, it hasn't (except for the usual namechecks), though the promotional campaign for the film tries to give the impression that it has. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Official Electric Music WWW pages Date: 01 Oct 1998 21:44:08 +0000 Karl Bartos' record company SPV has put up some Electric Music WWW pages: http://www.spv.de/Bands/deutsch/ElectricMusic01.html Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JT Subject: (kw) Active-K server problems. Date: 01 Oct 1998 17:06:34 -0400 Hello. Just recently I announced the Detroit MP3's at Active-K. However, I think the server is getting slaughtered! :-) I'm getting tons of email because no one can get in now (include me!) So, I kindly ask that for those that plan to download these files that you hold off for a couple more days or at least limit how many you download at once. I *promise* to keep them up longer if this helps. :-) Sincerely, -John ______________________________________________________________ The Electronica of Efofex - "Noise has a new purpose" http://efofex.simplenet.com Did you know Efofex is on the new Creative Labs and Emu soundcard package? Check out: http://efofex.simplenet.com/projects.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: Re: (kw) Liquid Crystal Display Date: 01 Oct 1998 19:31:45 +0300 At 14:41 +0200 30/09/1998, "Der Automat" wrote: > "Heavy Rockets" (CD Drop003 EAN7393412015001) is the second album >by LCD, >(...) >LCD played in the Virtual Summer 1994 Tour with Elektric Music at >Scandinavia. Is there any recording of Ele'K'tric Music live? Anyone taped this? please email privately. best to all, AVELLAR. Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. * http://members.tripod.com/~AVELLAR - under construction! * mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RHC Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Live in Mannheim 1997 Date: 01 Oct 1998 23:46:15 +0200 I got a hold of the following item today: Kraftwerk Live in Mannheim 1997 for Promotional Use Only Anyone here have some light to shed on this? Thanks in advance. -Rene ICQ UIN 2193840 A Staff Member of Last Sigh Magazine For Underground Music http://www.waste.org/lastsigh # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michaelcox@adout.com Subject: re: (kw) A Movie with KW Date: 01 Oct 1998 18:13:05 -0800 I saw Modulations last month in LA. The only kw i recall hearing were the samples in Planet Rock. There was definitely no kw interview. cool film though. regards, mick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timon Marmex Trzepacz Subject: Re: (kw) A movie with KW Date: 01 Oct 1998 20:51:48 -0700 >Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 06:27:47 PDT >From: "Nicolau Centola" >Subject: (kw) A movie with KW > >Anybody knows something about a movie called MODULATIONS, from the >director Iara Lee? My thoughts on the movie aren't very positive. They interviewed so many people and yet nobody had anything to say! Small wonder that I hadn't even heard of most of the "experts" that they chose to interview. Needless to say, Kraftwerk were not included in that list. Nor did they play a single song by Kraftwerk. I think they talked a little about Dusseldorf... and played the part of Planet Rock with a ComputerWorld sample in it. I suppose the film is interesting as a collage of stylish visual images and sound, and perhaps somebody into today's "electronica" sound might have heard of some of the people they mention, but if you are looking for real content, look elsewhere. Take care. -- Timon -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Smady Menko Subject: Re: (kw) Covers Date: 02 Oct 1998 00:21:12 -0700 (PDT) > On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, Der Automat wrote: > > > I am willing to bet that Kraftwerk is the most sampled group ever. Eve more > > than James Brown. Along with (... I can say) J. Brown (?), the Beatles (?), > > Kraftwerk are responsible for > > almost all modern pop music. Lord knows they've provided a nice map for > > techno. Here we go again. Haven't we had this discussion before :-) I dissagree. Been into music as long as I have I must say that my personal opinion is that KW are not as frekwent sampled as some memebers of the list would like them to be. Befor digging deaper into your statement about "Kraftwerk are responsible for almost all modern pop music", please define "all modern pop music". This should not be nessecarey but to prevent any missunderstanding about my feelings for KW I will say that, no I don't think that KW is the best band in the world but they are one of my personal favourites. My opinion is that KW has tributed to music but not mostly Kindest regards Smady _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: Volksmusik vs. Volkstuemliche Musik (Re: (kw) singing voices in Date: 02 Oct 1998 04:19:53 EDT Klaus, By Volksmusik I was in fact referring to the Schlager-abart as seen on various Bavarian TV stations ("Hitparade der Volksmusik", "Grand Prix Volksmusik" u.ae.). I apologise for using the term "cod-traditional" which in this instance may have been misleading. Basically, what I was saying is that Kraftwerk were drawing an ironic line between themselves and Heino. I'm sure you'll agree that this is true ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Covers Date: 02 Oct 1998 04:23:20 EDT I'm with you on this one. I think many Kraftwerk-esque SOUNDS have found their way onto popular sound sources as PRESETS. Lazy musos can then just press a special key for a Kraftwerk MELODIEEEEEEEEEEE. Simple/einfach ! There's simply no need to actually SAMPLE Kraftwerk, especially given the miserable sound quality of their CDs. :-P # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Holton Subject: (kw) Best KW tracks Date: 02 Oct 1998 09:26:09 +0100 1) Its more fun to compute 2)Spacelab 3)Man Machine Dave H # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: Volksmusik vs. Volkstuemliche Musik (Re: (kw) singing voices Date: 02 Oct 1998 10:58:52 +0200 (DFT) > By Volksmusik I was in fact referring to the Schlager-abart as seen on various > Bavarian TV stations ("Hitparade der Volksmusik", "Grand Prix Volksmusik" > u.ae.). I apologise for using the term "cod-traditional" which in this > instance may have been misleading. Not at all. I understand what you mean, and I have absolutely no problem with the term you used. ;-) My point is that this kind of music is in fact categorized as "Volkstuemliche Musik", even though some fans of this musical style like to call it "Volksmusik", but that's inaccurate and misleading. > Basically, what I was saying is that Kraftwerk were drawing an ironic line > between themselves and Heino. > I'm sure you'll agree that this is true No, I disagree. If they wanted to draw parallels to Heino, they should have described their music as "elektronische volkstuemliche Musik", and not as "elektronische Volksmusik". I think it's more likely that they referred to "real" Volksmusik, since it is a part of their ideology to claim that they're making *authentic* music from the industrial Rhein-Ruhr-area. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: (kw) D'nB Date: 02 Oct 1998 13:44:23 +0200 I think "Metal on metal - Abzug" is the first example ever of Drum 'n Bass style. Didi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Deutsch Depeche Amerikanische Freundschaft Mode Date: 01 Oct 1998 18:30:35 +0200 The Depeche Mode second singles album is finally available this week on triple vinyl (MUTEL5), double CD (CDMUTEL5) or cassette (CMUTEL5). Forthcoming releases on Mute label: 19/10 DAF "Die Kleinen Und Die Boesen" album reissue "Alles Ist Gut" album "Gold Und Liebe" album "Fuer Immer" album Cheers! DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Aux 88 Date: 02 Oct 1998 15:02:55 +0200 According to some music critics Aux 88 sounds exactly since Kraftwerk would do if they had grown in Motor City. The guys from Detroit release an album called "Is It Man Or Machine?" (Direct Beat, 1997) as a homage to KW. Their new LP ("Xeo-Genetic") contains a track titled "Rhythm By Numbers". DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) kw languages Date: 02 Oct 1998 15:03:41 +0200 Alan Stanford wrote: > I also thought they were > saying "Three Thousand Rotos" instead of "We are the Robots." I thought for a long time they said "Dream of The Robots", like the Isaac Asimov's novel. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Die Krupps Date: 02 Oct 1998 14:59:54 +0200 In an interview with Jürgen Engler (vocalist of Die Krupps) I read (don't remember when or what magazine): "At the moment I continue liking German music of 70's, I consider the musicians of that generation were able to give a face to German music, thanks to which the present bands exist. I would love to make a project with Karl Bartos (from Kraftwerk) and Mani Neumaler (from Guru Guru)". DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) YMO Date: 02 Oct 1998 15:03:25 +0200 Svensson, Joakim wrote: > How do you know that? It's not the only Japanese song from that era > containing german lyrics. > > /Joakim > > PS. IMHO Neue Tanz is a most excellent song! It's SO lovely monotonous. > > -----Original Message----- > the track "neue tanz" from the album "technodelic"[1983] is a tribute to > the > boys. > chris If you want to hear a record influenced by YMO you must listen "Render" album by Lassigue Bendthaus, published by KK Records in 1994. And also "Palais" album by Madelman, published by Cosmos Records in 1996. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Languages Date: 02 Oct 1998 09:19:18 -0400 >> The Italian version of Pocket Calculator was only perform in live. >No, a studio version does exist, though it wasn't released on a record. >Klaus Zaepke I'm starting to think that Klaus is actually Florian incognito. Based on several of his answers I've seen, I just get that feeling. Anybody with me on that? Bill Dobiesz Warren (Detroit) Michigan, USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mdisante@sogei.it Subject: (kw) ..about those <> ... Date: 02 Oct 1998 15:33:29 +0200 Hi everybody !!! My name is Marcello, im? m living in Rome (Italy) and i belong to this wonderful list for a few weeks. Sorry for being so late in introducing myself to all KW fans; anyway, i?m very interested in any kind of electro-dance-pop (from <> of 80s to <> and <>). After KW, one of my favourite bands in ?80s was Depeche Mode. Now i think they <> the electro-spirit of their music and left Vincent Clarke (the first leader of the band) as the best representative musician of a style born in the past decade. Does anyone agree with me? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Bryant Subject: FW: (kw) Languages -Reply Date: 02 Oct 1998 14:35:49 +0100 Hey, Bill Dobiesz is right. Klaus knows too much! ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION ** This message is intended only for the use of the person(s) ("the Intended Recipient") to whom it is addressed. It may contain information which is privileged and confidential within the meaning of applicable law. Accordingly any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message or any of its contents by any person other than the Intended Recipient may constitute a breach of civil or criminal law and is strictly prohibited. If you are not the Intended Recipient please contact the sender and dispose of this email as soon as possible. If in doubt contact the Tibbett & Britten Group Network Administration Department on 01707 391010 (UK). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nicolas Villeminot Subject: (kw) DM Date: 02 Oct 1998 16:02:26 +0200 Answer to Marcello: > > Hi everybody !!! > > My name is Marcello, im? m living in Rome (Italy) and i belong to = > this > > wonderful list for a few weeks. Sorry for being so late in > > introducing > > myself to all KW fans; anyway, i?m very interested in any kind of > > electro-dance-pop (from <> of 80s to <> and > > <>). > > After KW, one of my favourite bands in ?80s was Depeche Mode. Now i > > think > > they <> the electro-spirit of their music and left Vincent > > Clarke > > (the first leader of the band) as the best representative musician of > > a > > style born in the past decade. > > Does anyone agree with me? After Kraftwerk, my favourite band is also Depeche Mode. By now I don't know what to think about Vince Clark, because from him I only know the Speak & Spell era of DM ( Which was good, Photographic is still one of my favourites DM songs ) and 2 of the Yazoo singles. I agree with you that Dm betrayed the kind of music they were doing several years ago, I love Faith & Devotion ( even if it is not real electronic music ), but i think Ultra has got the DM touch, i don't even mention their last three new songs... For the others, sorry for not talking about Kraftwerk... Bye # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nicolas Villeminot Subject: (kw) DM Date: 02 Oct 1998 16:14:08 +0200 Ouups, just one thing, in my message you should have read : Ultra has NOT the DM touch ( Did DM really made this record ? ...no i'm joking ! ) Bye. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) kw languages Date: 02 Oct 1998 17:06:36 +0200 > >> > "Spacelab" sounds more like "Spacelack" through the vocoder. > >>maybe... it's more obvious in "The Mix" where "Musique Non Stop" >>sounds much more as "Musique Non Stock" imho :) > > >>...and Computer Love is like "Computer Lagggggg". >- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >The first time I heard KW, it was a tape of The Mix. For a long time I >thought they were saying "The Uvula"(the little danglely thing in the >back of your throat) for "Computer Love." I also thought they were >saying "Three Thousand Rotos" instead of "We are the Robots." The Russian voice on "The Robots" seems to have a defect of speech, too. For me it sounds like not saying "Robotnik" but "Robotitch". And the line before the last one in the original version of "Tour de France" Ralf never sings "Runder Tritt..." It is something else but never "runder Tritt". Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Vidar Bergan Subject: (kw) favourites Date: 02 Oct 1998 17:11:06 +-100 I discovered Kraftwerk around 1980, when I heard the Trans-Europe = Express and Man Machine albums. Together with Radioactivity they are the = best albums, and the group will NEVER release anything better. I was = disappointed with both Computer World and Electric Cafe, but I liked The = Mix. The pre-Autobahn tracks are not very good, but I have kept = "Exceller 8" in my collection. Best song AND album: TEE Jon Vidar Bergan, Norway # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: (kw) argentina Date: 02 Oct 1998 17:28:49 +0100 "two tickets for rio" goes the great gruppo sportivo song [well everyone else is mentioning other groups on the list these days so why shouldn't i?]. but how about ONE TICKET FOR BUENAS AIRES ? anyone there know how to get press accreditation or a ticket? can send money staight away. please email me. thanks chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Covers Date: 02 Oct 1998 12:46:09 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: > There's simply no need to actually SAMPLE Kraftwerk, especially given the > miserable sound quality of their CDs. Hey? What's that supposed to mean? They sound just fine to me. Better than the records or tapes, though maybe not quite as rich as CDs from some other groups. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark reed Subject: (kw) Dm or Dead Mad! Date: 09 Sep 1998 13:42:15 +0100 > one of my favourite bands in ?80s was Depeche Mode. Now i think >they <> the electro-spirit of their music and left Vincent Clarke >(the first leader of the band) as the best representative musician of a >style born in the past decade. >Does anyone agree with me? I don't know what DM discussion has a place on the list but all I really feel is that Alan Wilder was definitely the musical/sonic leader of DM and Martin Gore was, whilst writing the songs, a very conventional songwriter (listen to some of his demos for proof, such as Blackk Day or Enjoy The Silence/Harmonium for example) and not as such responsible for the groups influence. DM were amongst the first - but not THE first to take songs and weld them to comparatively experimental sounds. Anybody who thinks Vince Clarke is anything other than a peddler of quite flimsy pop music really needs to look in a bit more detail at his output. It's not lyrically or musically challenging or questioning at all. -- mark reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicolau Centola" Subject: (kw) A new bootleg? Date: 02 Oct 1998 15:39:34 PDT Anybody knows what is this? KRAFTWERK Autobahn Tour (Limited Edition Japanese 4-track CD includes Kometenmelodie 11:49, Autobahn 21:54, Klingklang 10:10 and Tanzmusik 4:16 black jewel box with stickered blue title!!) It´s the japanese version for Concert Classics? Please mail me... peace Nicolau http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Corchado Subject: Re: (kw) Dm or Dead Mad! Date: 02 Oct 1998 18:04:30 +0000 (GMT) On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, mark reed wrote: > I don't know what DM discussion has a place on the list but all I really > feel is that Alan Wilder was definitely the musical/sonic leader of DM I think it is a good place. I think the subject was brought when somebody mentioned the influence of Kraftwerk on DM, so I think it is a good think to talk about. I believe that Alan Wilder was the guy responsible for the experimental side of the DM sound. If you think of the songs composed by him in DM, his solo career or his career as a producer, he is much closer to the industrial and electronic sound than DM itself. Moreover, A. Wilder joined DM after the release of "A broken frame" and before releasing "Construction time again", so it really looks like he put the aggresive and experimental face to the band. Finally, he is the only real keyboardist in the band; V. Clarke, M. Gore and A. Fletcher used to be guitar players (back in the 70's); A. Wilder was a keyboardist from the beginning of his career. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RHC Subject: Re: (kw) Dm or Dead Mad! Date: 03 Oct 1998 02:37:12 +0200 At 18:04 02-10-98 +0000, you wrote: >A. Wilder was a keyboardist from the >beginning of his career. He was classically trained mind you. -Rene ICQ UIN 2193840 A Staff Member of Last Sigh Magazine For Underground Music http://www.waste.org/lastsigh # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: Re: (kw) Languages Date: 02 Oct 1998 18:43:36 -0600 Klaus writes> I'm starting to think that Klaus is actually Florian incognito. Based on several of his answers I've seen, I just get that feeling. >I do too. Everyone now and then, "Uni.selene.dusseldorf", registers on my web stats. DJFRANKX http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/kw2000 "the artist is living in the mirror..with echoes of himself." The Hall of Mirrors # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YPT1985@aol.com Subject: (kw) Sampled Band Date: 02 Oct 1998 23:57:18 EDT Kraftwerk IS the most sampled band in the world, NEXT TO James Brown - i believe that it says that in their book. I alone, and not being in Europe, own over 25 songs with Kraftwerk samples, and i'm not even looking for them or have that much music. Everyday i turn the radio on, and 1 out of 4 hip hop songs and the beat that Kraftwerk created, and many sample it and just add more modern drums on top (very sad). [the Numbers beat]. -j # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YPT1985@aol.com Subject: (kw) New CD Date: 03 Oct 1998 00:14:03 EDT I'm brand new to this mailing list, basically looking for information - and to have fun. I've loved Kraftwerk for years, but after meeting them and seeing their show up close (a dream i thought would never really happened) i got interested again - for i heard they have a new album coming out. Does anyone have any info about it? (track listings, release date). Thanx- -YPT- Detroit # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) New CD Date: 03 Oct 1998 00:05:32 -0600 (MDT) On Sat, 3 Oct 1998 YPT1985@aol.com wrote: > I'm brand new to this mailing list, basically looking for information - and to > have fun. > I've loved Kraftwerk for years, but after meeting them and seeing their show > up close (a dream i thought would never really happened) i got interested > again - for i heard they have a new album coming out. > Does anyone have any info about it? (track listings, release date). Nope. Nothing confirmed. We've been heading of absolutely guaranteed and confirmed by record company release dates for years now. Most of said dates are long since past. There is nothing but rumors. There are, however, new songs. There are three or four new tracks that KW have been performing live recently that have been making their way around in MP3 format. That, plus the recent tour and spate of European performances, has been raising hopes. All I can say is: it comes out when it comes out. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "conny.annica" Subject: (kw) Klaus Dinger interview Date: 02 Oct 1998 23:36:27 +0200 The latest issue of Swedish music magazine Pop (vol 2, #6, p.0582-0587) contains something as rare as an interview with Klaus Dinger (Kraftwerk/Neu!/La Düsseldorf), and of course Kraftwerk gets mentioned quite a bit. The interview is made by Michael Dee, who has written quite a few articles about bands from the Krautrock-scene. I've tried to translate one of the more interesting parts. Unfortunately, translating isn't my profession, but I hope that the core message comes through reasonably undistorted. - - - [Dinger is talking about his first band The No] - I remember one time, in 1966, when this experimental band played at a music festival in Düsseldorf. I saw Florian Schneider in the audience and he looked totally shocked. Klaus was studying architechture for three years, but he interrupted his studies to be able to play music on full time. - I rented money to buy myself a new drum kit and then I joined a band called The Smash. We didn't release any records, but we played live so much that I could support myself on the music. In the autumn 1970 Ralf Hütter called me, and I suppose you know the rest? Well, there are som many different versions of how Klaus Dinger joined Kraftwerk, so I ask him to tell me his version. - Kraftwerk were recording their first album and they had trouble with their drum player. Someone had recommended me for Ralf and he called me up. He picked me up the same day and we went directly to the studio where I played the drums for the B side. Ralf and Conny Plank, the producer, were very pleased. Florian was on vacation. When he returned he didn't like what I had recorded, so I had to do it over again. The second take sounded exactly the same as the first, but Florian was very pleased. But I think that's another story, a Ralf & Florian-story. This three man line-up of Kraftwerk made a lot of live performances, until Ralf suddenly got fed up. - Yes, in february 1971 Ralf announced that he couldn't play any longer. He went away somewhere and isolated himself from the world outside. Florian and I needed a stand-in to be able to continue. Our line-up was ever changing with different musicians, but Michael Rother was the only stand-in who stayed. Kraftwerk now consisted of Florian on flute and electric violin, Klaus on drums, and Michael Rother on guitar. - That line-up was much better than that with Hütter, and we became an institution on the live scene. Klaus and Michael made their own strong mark on the music. According to some versions the Neu!-music, with its classical transrythm and the ambient tones, was created in the middle of a live broadcast TV show: on Beatclub in june 1971, in an eleven minutes long piece called "Truckstop Gondolero". - The song was called "Rückstoss Gondoliero", not "Truckstop Gondolero" as it says everywhere. It's hard to say exactly when I and Michael found our music. It was not during a live broadcast, but what we did later with Neu! was strongly influenced by the live shows we had made together with Florian. - - - [copyright, Michael Dee and Pop] Later in the interview we get to know that Klaus lived in Florian's room at the Schneider-Esleben family's house, after Florian had moved from home, and that this was the reason why he met his Swedish girlfriend who was a friend of Florian's sister. Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Japanese "Concert Classics" (was: (kw) A new bootleg?) Date: 03 Oct 1998 15:04:54 +0000 > Anybody knows what is this? > > KRAFTWERK Autobahn Tour (Limited Edition Japanese 4-track CD > includes Kometenmelodie 11:49, Autobahn 21:54, Klingklang 10:10 > and Tanzmusik 4:16 black jewel box with stickered blue title!!) > > It=A6s the japanese version for Concert Classics? Yes, it is. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Sampled Band Date: 03 Oct 1998 15:04:54 +0000 > Kraftwerk IS the most sampled band in the world, NEXT TO James Brown How do you know that? Have you listened to all the records in the world and counted the samples? ;-) > - i believe that it says that in their book. I guess this explains what the reviewer in The Wire meant when she wrote that the new Kraftwerk book is based on "sweeping generalisations [...] and some truly flat writing"... ;-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Florian Schneider" Subject: Re: FW: (kw) Languages Date: 03 Oct 1998 15:09:41 +0000 > >> The Italian version of Pocket Calculator was only perform in live. > >No, a studio version does exist, though it wasn't released on a record. > > I'm starting to think that Klaus is actually Florian incognito. Based on several > of his answers I've seen, I just get that feeling. > Anybody with me on that? Well, thanks, but it isn't *such* a big insider fact. ;-) The Italian language studio version of "Pocket Calculator" was used as playback for at least two appearances on Italian TV back in 1981, so the info about the existance of this version is actually public domain. Florian Schneider # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YPT1985@aol.com Subject: (kw) Re: Sampled Band Date: 03 Oct 1998 12:31:03 EDT > Kraftwerk IS the most sampled band in the world, NEXT TO James Brown >How do you know that? Have you listened to all the records in the >world and counted the samples? ;-) ***Actually, i DO count the number of songs i hear Kraftwerk samples in, and in America alone the far majority is Kraftwerk. I have this one CD of techno examples (old school) from Europe. over 1/2 the songs steal Kraftwerk as their melodies. Just one CD. It seems that there has been more recently, for what i can't expain, in hip hop in the past couple of years. > - i believe that it says that in their book. >I guess this explains what the reviewer in The Wire meant when she >wrote that the new Kraftwerk book is based on "sweeping >generalisations [...] and some truly flat writing"... ;-) I'm not talking about any NEW book - this one has been around a while, and i believe it stated that because some one is actually counting (Kraftwerk or their lawyers?), so Kraftwerk can get the residuals for these songs. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank Schelter Subject: (kw) Offtopic: Depeche Mode-playlist Date: 03 Oct 1998 19:32:01 -0000 Hi folks! I am searching for the playlist of the current DM-tour. Can someone help? Bye, Frank. # # ##### ##### ##### ##### # # ##### ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ### #### ##### #### # # # # ### #### ### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ##### # # # # ES WIRD IMMER WEITEGEHN, MUSIK ALS TRAEGER VON IDEEN... www.kraftwerk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Sampled Band Date: 03 Oct 1998 20:01:48 +0000 > > Kraftwerk IS the most sampled band in the world, NEXT TO James Brown > > >How do you know that? Have you listened to all the records in the > >world and counted the samples? ;-) > > ***Actually, i DO count the number of songs i hear Kraftwerk samples in, and > in America alone the far majority is Kraftwerk. The far majority compared to what? > I have this one CD of techno examples (old school) from Europe. over 1/2 the songs > steal Kraftwerk as their melodies. Techno is not the only musical genre. > Just one CD. Just one CD doesn't qualify as a representative sample for the entire record market. > I'm not talking about any NEW book - this one has been around a > while Actually, the claim that Kraftwerk are the most or second most sampled band ever can be found in dozens of Kraftwerk articles, but it is never backed up with any concrete statistics. It's just a cliche. > i believe it stated that because some one is actually counting > (Kraftwerk or their lawyers?), They certainly take care of samples, but how many lawyers would they need to check the record market *systematically*? And even if we accept the hypothesis that they do count their samples systematically, this would still not prove that other artists aren't sampled more often. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Mobile Homes WWW pages Date: 04 Oct 1998 01:36:14 +0000 SPV has put up some Mobile Homes WWW pages at http://www.spv.de/Bands/deutsch/MobileHomes01.html Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: (kw) Re: Sampled Band Date: 03 Oct 1998 20:04:32 EDT On Sat, 3 Oct 1998 12:31:03 EDT YPT1985@aol.com writes: > >***Actually, i DO count the number of songs i hear Kraftwerk samples >in, and >in America alone the far majority is Kraftwerk. I have this one CD of >techno >examples (old school) from Europe. over 1/2 the songs steal Kraftwerk >as >their melodies. Just one CD. It seems that there has been more >recently, for >what i can't expain, in hip hop in the past couple of years. > you count? list away.... tom w np: oh my god its a kw sample. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: (kw) WAS THAT REALLY FLOIRAN???? Date: 03 Oct 1998 19:26:53 -0700 (PDT) Was that really Florian Schneider wrote to the list? Stranger things have Happend?????? If So, Then there is PROOF that Kraftwerk are lurkers in the KW list.. I would personally like to thank Kraftwerk for their tour stop in Detroit... Please come visit us very Soon!! :-) Eric Knight ******************************************************************************** * June 11th, 1998. State Theater * Eric Knight * * KRAFTWERK * ericknig@sprynet.com * * I was there, I will Never Forget * * ******************************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: (kw) TIME PIE (Recomended By Listmembers) Date: 03 Oct 1998 19:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Hmmmmm...... Been a while since the Detroit Show, The Tour is over......The list has Slowed in the last Few Days....... So Upon recomendation of list members, I purchased "TIME PIE" (Was hard to find locally!)I can say that I've found another CONSTANT PLAY cd..... Wolfgang has made a masterpiece, (IMHO) The blend of rythem & melody Well, I'm Speechless!!! Has anyone noticed that the Bonus track (#11) of "DR. UG.LY" sounds a Little like the Luton Song, slowed down a Bit ?? Favorite Tracks : Stereomatic: Good Rave Tune ! I can see this Remixed So it will Play forever ...I Love the slight take off of "Numbers" at the end (All the voices Mixed into a Frenzy of Speech !) Speechdancer: Smooth ! Light Easy on the ears......Love the melodys & Voices (VOcoder?) Naked Japanese: If I had a Kickin System in my Little Ford, This would be my BASE Antehm! Kickdrums & Phases, Cuts.......Drives my cats NUTS when I play it !!!! If you see this at your record Store,.........BUY IT!!!!!! ***************************************************************************** June 11th, 1998. State Theater Eric Knight KRAFTWERK ericknig@sprynet.com I was there, I will Never Forget ***************************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) argentina Date: 03 Oct 1998 23:27:25 +0500 On 02-Oct-98, Chris Raistrick wrote: >"two tickets for rio" goes the great gruppo sportivo song [well everyone >else is mentioning other groups on the list these days so why shouldn't i?]. Whatever happened to them? One of my favorites was "I Shot My Manager"... :-) -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) WAS THAT REALLY FLOIRAN???? Date: 03 Oct 1998 23:51:42 +0500 On 04-Oct-98, Eric Knight wrote: >Was that really Florian Schneider wrote to the list? >Stranger things have Happend?????? Someone else posted to the list using that name, but it turned out to be a Hotmail alias, and he soon came clean about it. :-) This wasn't the same person (at least I don't think so), but Florian would probably be the KW member most likely to do that! -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Sampled Band Date: 04 Oct 1998 00:52:22 -0600 (MDT) On Sat, 3 Oct 1998, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > I have this one CD of techno examples (old school) from Europe. over 1/2 the songs > > steal Kraftwerk as their melodies. > > Techno is not the only musical genre. Klaus speaks true. There are also ambient, trance and "other". ;) > > i believe it stated that because some one is actually counting > > (Kraftwerk or their lawyers?), > > They certainly take care of samples, but how many lawyers would they > need to check the record market *systematically*? > And even if we accept the hypothesis that they do count their > samples systematically, this would still not prove that other artists > aren't sampled more often. This also raises a question I've battled with a bit - just what constitutes a sample? There are many cases that are open to personal interpretation, and there are cases where an instrument sounds the same, but just different enough that it might have been re-synthesized from scratch. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) WAS THAT REALLY FLOIRAN???? Date: 04 Oct 1998 00:58:32 -0600 (MDT) On Sat, 3 Oct 1998, Eric Knight wrote: > Was that really Florian Schneider wrote to the list? No. It's bloody easy to change the name that appears on your messages. It's also often easy to spot forgeries by looking at the address doing a little research. > Stranger things have Happend?????? If you meant to say "Have stranger things happened?", then yes. If you meant "Stranger things have happened.", well, you're probably right. :) > If So, Then there is PROOF that Kraftwerk are lurkers in the KW list.. That's a hard thing to prove. About the easiest conclusive proof that I can think of is Florian were to mention in an interview that he reads the list. In which case we'd be instantly flooded with messages from new members. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Rusbridge" Subject: (kw) Alias Klaus Zaepke Date: 04 Oct 1998 10:36:59 +0100 Question, Why use the name Klaus Zaepke, it makes him sound like a large Swiss bloke looking after him goats while blowing a mountain horn! Hardly does Florian justice. Jim Members Numbers Money People # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud" Subject: Re: (kw) Best KW's song Date: 29 Sep 1998 07:03:51 +0100 On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 13:24:27 +0200, Christian Di Sante wrote: > >Hi everybody! > >What is in your opinion the best KW's song ever? Autobahn. Because this song is particularely rich, rythme change, Ralf's flute, etc... Well... That's just my opinion of course... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud" Subject: (kw) info: boot & German release Date: 03 Oct 1998 16:59:53 +0100 Hi, I eventually plan to buy the Lauschangriff Boot. ab-cd.com sells it for $40 Is it a good boot, I don't plan to buy many of them at this kind of price!!! Also, I'd like to buy the German release of KW albums. Is there a CD Web store (perhaps in Germany) with these German album for less than $30. Regards, Arnaud # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud" Subject: Re: (kw) Best KW single sound? Date: 03 Oct 1998 18:30:52 +0100 On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:52:44 +0200, Christian Di Sante wrote: > >Finally, >are you able to describe your favourite KW's sound? >Mine is the vocoded voice singing "one-two" in CW. Mine is the big vintage bass sound in neon light. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Depeche Mode Date: 02 Oct 1998 16:10:20 +0200 - Depeche Mode will feature on the CNN programme "Worldbeat", which goes out to 210 countries around the world. The UK broadcast is Saturday, October 10 at 7:30 pm and it will be repeated the following Sunday and Tuesday. - "The Singles 86>98" album debuted at number 3 on the Finnish chart - "Only When I Lose Myself" looks like this at the moment: This Week (Last Week) - Country 1 (1) - Spain DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Official Recoil web site Date: 02 Oct 1998 17:30:37 +0200 There is now an official Recoil site online at: http://www.recoil.co.uk/ DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) D'nB Date: 04 Oct 1998 11:03:36 +0200 Christian Di Sante wrote: > I think "Metal on metal - Abzug" is the first example ever of Drum 'n Bass > style. > Didi I agree. In fact TEE was used by Afrika Bambaataa to create "Don't Stop Planet Rock", the first track of electro style. The percussive syncope of the track "The Man Machine" mark the way where moves the electro sound -hybrid of funk, hip-hop and eurotechno- headed by the American band. Also "Tour de France" rhythm could be another example. Drum'n'bass has its roots on hip-hop and electro. "TanzMusik" is a preamble to the prophetic notion of dance music. It could consider the song "Ananas Symphonie" as a target of the ambient music. Years in advance, "Neon Lights" is an excellent model of ambient-house. "Autobahn" is the first song of techno-pop style of the history. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: Volksmusik vs. Volkstuemliche Musik (Re: (kw) singing voices in Date: 04 Oct 1998 08:04:01 EDT well, there's no real equivalent genre in the UK... the best way to approach it is to describe via adjectives: "cheesy" would be a good one. Example: "The 'Schlager' genre is characterised by cheesy sentimental Middle of the Road bollocks sung by overtanned tossers and written by the kind of 50-year old jerks who wear yellow sports jackets, white loafers and think cigars look cool" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Covers Date: 04 Oct 1998 08:06:41 EDT Well, CD labels used to warn us that the pristine digital marvellousness of the silver medium can "reveal limitations of the source material"... I am thinking especially of the ludicrous amount of background hiss in "Die Roboter" off Mensch-Maschine. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) D'nB Date: 04 Oct 1998 08:14:46 EDT Get real... the first example of drum and bass is when some primeval, non- upright walking proto-chimpanzee picked up a fallen branch somehwere in history and hit a rock with it. Have you never seen 2001: A Space Odyssey ? Kraftwerk may be good programmers but they didn't INVENT rhythm. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mallade" <0732240d01@cplus.es> Subject: (kw) Florian Schneider Date: 04 Oct 1998 14:21:12 +0200 "Florian" was just Klaus Zaepke joking (good one ;-)) after some listmembers (also joking, I guess) said that he was actually him because of Klaus knowing _so much_ stuff. I thought this was obvious Fer mallade@abonados.cplus.es http://members.tripod.com/~mallade # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mallade" <0732240d01@cplus.es> Subject: RE: (kw) Best KW's song Date: 04 Oct 1998 15:02:11 +0200 >Because this song is particularely rich, rythme change, Ralf's flute, etc... You mean Florian's flute surely. mallade@abonados.cplus.es http://members.tripod.com/~mallade # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) DM Date: 04 Oct 1998 15:34:13 +0200 Nicolas Villeminot wrote: > Ouups, just one thing, in my message you should have read : Ultra has > NOT the DM touch > ( Did DM really made this record ? ...no i'm joking ! ) I think "Ultra" is the best DM album, about the high quality of music and text both. And I'm sure "It's no good" is one of the DM most representative songs, together with "Photographic", "Leave in silence", "Everything Counts", "People are people", "Fly on the windscreen", "Never let me down again", "Enjoy the silence", "Higher love". Each song you listen to, you feel the "DM touch"! Don't you? Regards, Didi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Captain Punctuation Subject: Re: (kw) TIME PIE (Recomended By Listmembers) Date: 04 Oct 1998 08:39:16 -0000 I actually bought Time Pie yesterday. Found it at Borders under "Y"... Of course, on the label it says "file under Kraftwerk." Not a bad CD. Naked Japanese is by far the best with Dr. Ug.ly and Time Pie not too far behind. The rest of the CD is pretty weak though. Sounds a little like Sven Vath. Cheers # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: (kw) WAS THAT REALLY FLOIRAN???? Date: 03 Oct 1998 19:26:53 -0700 (PDT) Was that really Florian Schneider wrote to the list? Stranger things have Happend?????? If So, Then there is PROOF that Kraftwerk are lurkers in the KW list.. I would personally like to thank Kraftwerk for their tour stop in Detroit... Please come visit us very Soon!! :-) Eric Knight ******************************************************************************** * June 11th, 1998. State Theater * Eric Knight * * KRAFTWERK * ericknig@sprynet.com * * I was there, I will Never Forget * * ******************************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: (kw) Klaus the Kidder! Date: 04 Oct 1998 12:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Ya know, I kinda figured that was Klaus... It wasn't untill after I had sent out that Message did I put 2 &2 together!! Very Good! Might have sparked some interest in the list like the world/US last tour ! Klaus, Thanks for all your knowledge of all things Kraftwerk.. (I think you are Florian with your amount of wisdomon Kraftwerk!) ***************************************************************************** June 11th, 1998. State Theater Eric Knight KRAFTWERK ericknig@sprynet.com I was there, I will Never Forget ***************************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: Re: (kw) TIME PIE Date: 04 Oct 1998 12:30:17 -0700 (PDT) >>On 04-Oct-98, Eric Knight wrote: > >> >>Speechdancer: >>>Smooth ! Light Easy on the ears......Love the melodys & Voices (VOcoder?) On 10/4/98 Chris Gross Wrote: >>I think it was a Mac; the speech synthesis program has a voice just like it >>(along with several weird ones, and the one that says "Music... Non stop..." >>on Electric Cafe)... That's one of my favorite tracks too; it would be a good >>NYC club song. Done with a Macintosh? hmmmm....Maybe thats why I like it so Much!!! ***************************************************************************** June 11th, 1998. State Theater Eric Knight KRAFTWERK ericknig@sprynet.com I was there, I will Never Forget ***************************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Covers Date: 04 Oct 1998 13:43:57 -0600 (MDT) On Sun, 4 Oct 1998 MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: > Well, CD labels used to warn us that the pristine digital marvellousness of > the silver medium can "reveal limitations of the source material"... I am > thinking especially of the ludicrous amount of background hiss in "Die > Roboter" off Mensch-Maschine. Oh, that. That's certainly true, but it's a problem of the "source material" and not the CD technology. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud" Subject: (kw) info: boot & German release Date: 03 Oct 1998 16:59:53 +0100 Hi, I eventually plan to buy the Lauschangriff Boot. ab-cd.com sells it for $40 Is it a good boot, I don't plan to buy many of them at this kind of price!!! Also, I'd like to buy the German release of KW albums. Is there a CD Web store (perhaps in Germany) with these German album for less than $30. Regards, Arnaud # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud" Subject: Re: (kw) Best KW's song Date: 29 Sep 1998 07:03:51 +0100 On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 13:24:27 +0200, Christian Di Sante wrote: > >Hi everybody! > >What is in your opinion the best KW's song ever? Autobahn. Because this song is particularely rich, rythme change, Ralf's flute, etc... Well... That's just my opinion of course... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud" Subject: Re: (kw) Best KW single sound? Date: 03 Oct 1998 18:30:52 +0100 On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:52:44 +0200, Christian Di Sante wrote: > >Finally, >are you able to describe your favourite KW's sound? >Mine is the vocoded voice singing "one-two" in CW. Mine is the big vintage bass sound in neon light. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg" Subject: Re: (kw) WAS THAT REALLY FLOIRAN???? Date: 03 Oct 1998 21:14:44 -0700 -----Original Message----- > >On 04-Oct-98, Eric Knight wrote: > >>Was that really Florian Schneider wrote to the list? > > >>Stranger things have Happend?????? > >Someone else posted to the list using that name, but it turned out to be a >Hotmail alias, and he soon came clean about it. :-) This wasn't the same >person (at least I don't think so), but Florian would probably be the KW >member most likely to do that! >-- >Chris Gross Naw.. the smilie [ ;-) ] gave it away that it was Klaus and anyway, "Florian's" message came right after three of Klaus's so I think we caught our impersonator! `@;o) Greg Heil N.P. Pink Floyd "Animals" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lars Nellemann" Subject: Re: (kw) WAS THAT REALLY FLOIRAN???? Date: 04 Oct 1998 09:39:20 +0200 The message came from this address: "Florian Schneider" Which indicate that the sender is affiliated to University of Hamburg, probably a student. Student - Hamburg - Florian -- NOT! Lars # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung Subject: (kw) New Trade List Date: 04 Oct 1998 16:29:41 +0800 Hello I am close to finishing my new trade list, which covers not only Kraftwerk but also other e.m. artists. Anybody interested please contact me off list and indicate your country of origin. Thanks. Jeffrey Au Yeung # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob VonMoss Subject: (kw) first 4 seconds of Transistor Date: 04 Oct 1998 22:54:40 -0500 What is the sound on the first 4 seconds of "Transistor" on Radioactivity? It almost sounds like something from a Warner Brothers show like Bugs Bunny show. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nicolas Villeminot Subject: RE: (kw) Offtopic: Depeche Mode-playlist Date: 05 Oct 1998 09:51:19 +0200 Here is their playlist, I'm going to see them in 2 days in Paris ! Painkiller / A Question Of Time / World In My Eyes / Policy Of Truth / It's No Good / Never Let Me Down Again / Walking In My Shoes=20 / Only When I Lose Myself / A Question Of Lust / Home / Condemnation / In Your Room / Useless / Enjoy The Silence / Personal Jesus / Barrel Of A Gun Encore One: Somebody / Stripped / I Feel You Encore Two: Just Can't Get Enough Total: 20 songs Regards Nicolas. > -----Message d'origine----- > De: Frank Schelter [SMTP:frank.schelter@wtal.de] > Date: samedi 3 octobre 1998 21:32 > =C0: KRAFTWERK Mailinglist > Objet: (kw) Offtopic: Depeche Mode-playlist >=20 >=20 > Hi folks! >=20 > I am searching for the playlist of the current DM-tour. Can someone > help? >=20 > Bye, Frank. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) New CD Date: 05 Oct 1998 09:39:52 +0000 At 3:34 pm +0200 4/10/98, Christian Di Sante wrote: >And I'm sure "It's no good" is one of the DM most representative songs, :-D At 12:14 am -0400 3/10/98, YPT1985@aol.com wrote: >i heard they have a new album coming out. >Does anyone have any info about it? (track listings, release date). Let's ask Florian. He's on the list. :-/ KB (no relation) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Re: Sampled Band Date: 05 Oct 1998 13:57:33 +0200 Ra wrote: > On Sat, 3 Oct 1998, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > They certainly take care of samples, but how many lawyers would they > > need to check the record market *systematically*? > > And even if we accept the hypothesis that they do count their > > samples systematically, this would still not prove that other artists > > aren't sampled more often. > > This also raises a question I've battled with a bit - just what > constitutes a sample? There are many cases that are open to personal > interpretation, and there are cases where an instrument sounds the same, > but just different enough that it might have been re-synthesized from > scratch. OK. But what about to sample whole sequences or melodies or voices or whatever? DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Covers Date: 05 Oct 1998 15:48:50 +0200 Ra wrote: > On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: > > > There's simply no need to actually SAMPLE Kraftwerk, especially given the > > miserable sound quality of their CDs. > > Hey? What's that supposed to mean? They sound just fine to me. Better > than the records or tapes, though maybe not quite as rich as CDs from > some other groups. I added to MERSEYCHAM. At the present time we can really make music like Kraftwerk's music not with samples of them, but with (a lot of) current synthesizers. For example Komputer create songs based in the sounds of similar instruments to the ones used by KRAFTWERK. They NO sample to KW. This is more effective and you do not have to pay copyrights. :-) DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Einstuerzende_Neubauten Date: 05 Oct 1998 15:41:31 +0200 After long negotiations with Nothing Records the last album "Ende Neu" will finally be released in the US in late fall '98. A US tour will follow in December. As soon as I have dates will inform you, or you can always check the website http://www.icf.de/EN/. Presently the band is already working on a new album, to be released in 1999. The record company also work on a live album recorded on the last European tour in 1997, possibly to be released simultaneously with the new studio album. Due to legal problems with the first international label Some Bizzare (UK) most of the back catalogue is not available. If you find copies (of "Haus der Luge", Strategies I +II", "5 auf der nach oben offenen Richterskala") they are probably distributed illegally. All available records including the releases on the EGO-label as well as books, videos, T-shirts and other merchandising products can be ordered via the online-mail-order at http://www.icf.de/EN/. Was ist ist was nicht ist ist moglich. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Spare copies to sell Date: 05 Oct 1998 13:39:59 +0200 I got a spare copy of Ralf und Florian on original Philips label (num. cat. 6305197) and it includes the eight page fold out poster by Emil Schult. Price: £62 or $106 LP Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk" S6305058 Philips £104 or $177 (original release) LP Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk 2" S6305117 Philips £104 or $177 (original release) To the total amount of the requested material, you must add: £2 or 3.6$ of expenses of post and packing. Plus 0.5 % commission post office. If anybody is interested, please e-mail me. I also have some others KW and related bands records to sell or swap. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: RE:(kw) first contact Date: 05 Oct 1998 14:17:00 +0200 Antoine Bourdon wrote: > > > >When will they release their next production ? Then Petersen Jens Bang wrote: > Star Trek? Ha, ha! Very good! ;-D If you refer KW: Probably there will be no more albums of KW, one obvious reason for this is of course that the world wide crowd had performances by which to judge them. This could surely be the real point of their current tour. In this tour KW force to us to consider their silence record not as a indication of cowardice but as another statement of their well proved intelligence. They are unnappealable. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Best KW's song Date: 05 Oct 1998 15:46:47 +0200 Erik Barth wrote: > Tanzmusik, Noitasinagro, Ohm Sweet Ohm, Les Mannequins, The Mix2 version of > Aetherwellen... > > No, I can't choose What song is "Noitasinagro"? Do you mean "Organisation" backwards? Then, what song is it? On a related note. Why we do not vote the worst KW's song? DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: RE: (kw) Best KW's song Date: 05 Oct 1998 09:54:50 -0400 (EDT) On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Der Automat wrote: > On a related note. Why we do not vote the worst KW's song? My vote would be the track on KW2 (I forget the name) which is nothing but three minutes of breathing sounds. It might have been interesting "in the day" but here in 1998 I always skip it. ******************************************************************************* John Morgan "In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias Student Services, they had warfare, terror, murder, and The University of Michigan bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, LS&A Honors Program Leonardo da Vinci, and the http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ Renaissance. In Switzerland including The Colin Wilson Page they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. See you later, Holly." --Orson Welles, THE THIRD MAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Oehler" Subject: (kw) Re: DM Date: 05 Oct 1998 08:58:48 -0500 > >> one of my favourite bands in ?80s was Depeche Mode. Now i think >>they <> the electro-spirit of their music and left Vincent Clarke >>(the first leader of the band) as the best representative Vince Clarke is a stand-up guy, but his song structures are pretty formulaic. He readily admits that. His use of sound is pretty interesting, he was one of the first major musicians to go completely retro with analog synthesizers (although i think he'a bit of an extremist), but his 3-minute, stick-to-the-bass-root pop sequences get kind of grating in large doses (this coming from a guy who owns 30 Erasure CDs). > >I don't know what DM discussion has a place on the list but all I really >feel is that Alan Wilder was definitely the musical/sonic leader of DM >and Martin Gore was, whilst writing the songs, a very conventional >songwriter (listen to some of his demos for proof, such as Blackk Day or >Enjoy The Silence/Harmonium for example) and not as such responsible for >the groups influence. Point of note: Neither ETS (Harmonium) nor Black Day are demos. In fact, Black Day is the only dM song ever credited to more than one author...three in fact...Gore/Wilder/Miller. Martin wrote the lyrics (it's an adaptation of Black Celebration, of course), Alan and Daniel "Mute" Miller did the rest just noodling around in the studio. It was released as a lark. ETS (harmonium) was re-recorded to be on the ETS single. Mind oyu Martin doesn't have a harmonium in his studio. :) Alan was the man. Alan was also the driving inlfuce in making them a "club music" band as well. Many of the dM "dance hits" were originally ballads. Hence the first post-Alan album is much more laid-back than any prior works. ---- Eric Oehler http://www.itis.com/~wonko wonko@itis.com Finger for PGP key By pressing down this special key, it plays a little melody # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dead Reaper" Subject: Re: (kw) first 4 seconds of Transistor Date: 05 Oct 1998 02:38:46 PDT >What is the sound on the first 4 seconds of "Transistor" on >Radioactivity? It almost sounds like something from a Warner Brothers >show like Bugs Bunny show. Isn't it supposed to be re-tuning a radio? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Tour De Express Date: 05 Oct 1998 13:39:35 +0200 Any idea about the following?: VA-Trance-Tekno Express Tracne-Tekno Express-From De=20 List Price $15.97 Add to Cart $14.49 John Tesh - Tour De France: Early Years Albums CD List $ 11.97=A0Add to C= art $11.49=A0=A0=A0=20 Label:=A0 BMG/PRIVATE Track Listing: 01. Headclobbers 02. Roubaix 03. On American Shores 04. Dijon Strut 05. Road Made For Animals =A006.=A0Noovo Groovo Montage 07.=A0Noovo Groovo 08.=A0The Endless Road 09.=A0Brain Dead Weasel 10.=A0A Thousand Summers Genre: New Age Producer: John Tesh; Michael Hanna No. of Discs: 1 SPAR: DDD =A0Mono/Stereo: Stereo Studio/Live: Studio Category: New Age John Tesh - Tour De France Albums CD List $ 11.97=A0=A0=A0Add to Cart $11= .49=A0=A0=A0=20 TAPE List $ 7.98=A0=A0=A0Add to Cart $7.49 Label:=A0 BMG/PRIVATE Track Listing: 01. A Thousand Summers 02. That Ole Demon Meanness 03. Bordeaux 04. You Are Here =A005. Day One 06.=A0Jazzis 07.=A0Mike Mercurie 08.=A0Olympus 8008 Length: 44 minutes Genre: New Age No. of Discs: 1 SPAR: DDD =A0Mono/Stereo: Stereo Studio/Live: Studio Category: New Age Notes=A0 This is the soundtrack of CBS Sports' Coverage of the 1988 Tour de France= .=20 Title search results for "21 Racing Tracks - Tour de France": VA-Stars Of Bop Tour De France Classical search results for "21 Racing Tracks - Tour de France": Bizet/Debussy/Saint-Saens/+ Tour De France Thanks in advance. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mallade" <0732240d01@cplus.es> Subject: RE: (kw) Best KW's song Date: 05 Oct 1998 16:30:17 +0200 >On a related note. Why we do not vote the worst KW's song? Sure: "Sex Object" SPANISH version. Why, Ralf? mallade@abonados.cplus.es http://members.tripod.com/~mallade # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: RE: (kw) Covers Date: 05 Oct 1998 08:28:36 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Der Automat wrote: > Ra wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: > > > There's simply no need to actually SAMPLE Kraftwerk, especially given > the > > > miserable sound quality of their CDs. > > > > Hey? What's that supposed to mean? They sound just fine to me. Better > > than the records or tapes, though maybe not quite as rich as CDs from > > some other groups. > > I added to MERSEYCHAM. > At the present time we can really make music like Kraftwerk's music not > with > samples of them, but with (a lot of) current synthesizers. > For example Komputer create songs based in the sounds of similar > instruments to the ones used by KRAFTWERK. They NO sample to KW. > This is more effective and you do not have to pay copyrights. :-) Good point. I hadn't thought of that, actually. But I was referring to Merseycham's comment about bad sound quality on the KW CDs. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: RE: (kw) Re: Sampled Band Date: 05 Oct 1998 08:32:03 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Der Automat wrote: > Ra wrote: > > This also raises a question I've battled with a bit - just what > > constitutes a sample? There are many cases that are open to personal > > interpretation, and there are cases where an instrument sounds the same, > > but just different enough that it might have been re-synthesized from > > scratch. > > OK. But what about to sample whole sequences or melodies or voices or > whatever? That's a more straightforward case - it's usually obvious then that the sound is sampled. But it is possible to produce vocoder effects that sound like KW without actually sampling them. As you mentioned, there's also a different kind of sampling - using the beats and melodies without using the actual instrument samples. Like Afrika Bambaataa did with the rhythm of TEE. That's sometimes harder to spot - at least for me, since I have a better memory for raw sound than for melodies. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: RE: (kw) Best KW's song Date: 05 Oct 1998 08:34:04 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Der Automat wrote: > On a related note. Why we do not vote the worst KW's song? Autobahn, hands down. No offense to my robot heroes, but Autobahn really bites! It's the only bad song KW has ever produced. Well, Computer Love isn't that hot either, but at least I can listen to it without cringing in pain. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) Best KW's song Date: 05 Oct 1998 14:04:38 +0000 Ra wrote: > On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Der Automat wrote: > > ? On a related note. Why we do not vote the worst KW's song? > > Autobahn, hands down. No offense to my robot heroes, but Autobahn really > bites! It's the only bad song KW has ever produced. Whatever song you consider the best, really it's the worst, hands down. It really bites! It's the only bad song KW has ever produced. ;) "tastes differ" Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Best KW's song Date: 05 Oct 1998 09:11:26 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Vladimir Ivaschenko wrote: > Ra wrote: > > On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Der Automat wrote: > > ? On a related note. Why we do not vote the worst KW's song? > > > > Autobahn, hands down. No offense to my robot heroes, but Autobahn really > > bites! It's the only bad song KW has ever produced. > > Whatever song you consider the best, really it's the worst, hands down. It > really bites! It's the only bad song KW has ever produced. > ;) Heh. You must be one of those bahn-lovers. :) > "tastes differ" I thought that was implicit. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Oehler" Subject: (kw) Ticketworld.de Date: 05 Oct 1998 10:25:08 -0500 I'm trying to order a tshirt from the kraftwerk site, but while the ordering info is in english, the ordering page is auf deutsch so I can't really figure out what I'm supposed to do...Sure, I can figgure out "Strasse und Hausnummer" but I don't know where to look for information about international orders, how to place them, any special conisderations, etc. Can anyone help me here? Anyone had any previous experience with this site? ---- Eric Oehler http://www.itis.com/~wonko wonko@itis.com Finger for PGP key By pressing down this special key, it plays a little melody # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark reed Subject: Re: (kw) Offtopic: Depeche Mode-playlist Date: 12 Sep 1998 10:02:20 +0100 >Here is their playlist, I'm going to see them in 2 days in Paris ! > > >Painkiller / A Question Of Time / World In My Eyes / Policy Of Truth >/ It's No Good / Never Let Me Down Again / Walking In My Shoes >/ Only When I Lose Myself / A Question Of Lust / Home / Condemnation >/ In Your Room / Useless / Enjoy The Silence / Personal Jesus >/ Barrel Of A Gun > >Encore One: Somebody / Stripped / I Feel You >Encore Two: Just Can't Get Enough > >Total: 20 songs They've played this set every night for the entire tour. I'm a huge DM fan but it's obvious on the new tour there's a great big whole where Alan Widler used to be. They have live drums throughout the whole set which ruins the streamlined sound they used to have on stuff like World In My Eyes, as well as some dodgy looks like a goth keyboard player who is perptually hidden in darkness playing all Alan's old parts (except for some crap, cheesy solos in Enjoy The Silence and Never Let Me Down). I really don't want to attack DM but the new tour is cabaret. There are times when it's obvious that Martin/Andy are doing fuck all and all the sound is coming from the hired help, and when they bring on those stupid 'cred enhancing' backing singers (who wear cheesy silver dresses feather boas and have synchronsied dancing) it just looks and sounds like Tom Jones in Vegas. That could be the point though, given that the stage set is based on velvet and neon lights, but it just doesn't work. All the old tracks have been reprogramemd and the sounds are really weedy and lacking in power. And Andy Fletcher spends every songs clapping his hands and acting like an obvious spare wheel - I mean, the guy gets flak from everybody and rightly so - there are times when there are more people on stage who aren't in Depeche Mode than who are. The only good thing about it is that Dave doesn't look as if he's about to drop dead. I'll probably get flamed but check the live show out before you do. ps Giles can you forward this 'comment' to Rob, I have lost his address, cheers. -- mark reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Barth" Subject: RE: (kw) Best KW's song Date: 05 Oct 1998 19:12:35 +0100 Hi "Der Automat" and list, ] -----Original Message----- ] From: owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com ] [mailto:owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Der Automat ] Sent: maandag 5 oktober 1998 14:47 ] To: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com ] Subject: RE: (kw) Best KW's song ] ...(stuff deleted)... ] What song is "Noitasinagro"? Do you mean "Organisation" backwards? Then, ] what song is it? You're right, it is one of the tracks of the album Organisation by Organisation (as you probably know the predecessor of Kraftwerk). Erik Barth # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Florian lives!! Date: 05 Oct 1998 23:51:08 -0300 Thanks for the info, Herr Florian "Zaepke" Schneider!!! Good joke, Klaus... KW concert in Sao Paulo is SOLD OUT! Best Song: Autobahn Best Single: Radioactivity (W. Orbit remix) Best Album: Radioactivity peace 11 days and counting... Nicolau http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: (kw) KW MTV Date: 05 Oct 1998 21:35:37 -0600 Check out the Kraftwerk samples on MTV's "The Cut". I heard "The Telephone Call" rings and tones. The ending song is used when flashing credits. Best KW sound effect......The footsteps in "The Hall of Mirrors". DJFRANKX http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/kw2000.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Best KW's song Date: 06 Oct 1998 01:24:08 -0400 On a related note. Why we do not vote the worst KW's song? My vote is for Atem...I know others will disagree, though. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Best KW single sound? Date: 06 Oct 1998 01:04:27 -0400 >>are you able to describe your favourite KW's sound? >>Mine is the vocoded voice singing "one-two" in CW. >Mine is the big vintage bass sound in neon light. My personal favourite is the intro to Klingklang. All the noise...kind of sounds like me at work... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Best KW's song Date: 06 Oct 1998 01:30:37 -0400 >> On a related note. Why we do not vote the worst KW's song? >My vote would be the track on KW2 (I forget the name) which is nothing but >three minutes of breathing sounds. It might have been interesting "in the >day" but here in 1998 I always skip it. It's caled Atem...and it also has my vote for my least favo(u)rite KW song... Actually, there's a track on KW1 I don't much care for either. BTW, does anyone know the translation for Vom Himmel Hoch? Something about Heaven High, but other than that... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Ein Zwei... a-go-go Date: 06 Oct 1998 01:43:10 -0400 BTW2... I was surprised to see 'The Rutles' crop up on the list, I like The Rutles a lot... but I too had linked these bands in my thoughts, since one of the Rutles = songs ('Cheese & Onions' I believe) has the lines "Man or Machine / Keep = Yourself Clean"! I always thought it was man and machine...but in retrospect, I'm not = sure Actually, I saw a KW/Rutles connection in a different way - Blue Suede = (Franz) Schubert. No connection in the song, only the title. BTW - Favo(u)rite Rutles song: Piggy In The Middle=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original = sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: = http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Florian Schneider Date: 06 Oct 1998 01:47:16 -0400 >"Florian" was just Klaus Zaepke joking (good one ;-)) after some >listmembers (also joking, I guess) said that he was actually him because >of Klaus knowing _so much_ stuff. I thought this was obvious You've got to admit, he DOES seem to have a lot of "insider" information. I still find it amazing how knowledgeable (and personable) most of the people on this list are... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Smady Menko Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Sampled Band Date: 05 Oct 1998 23:19:16 -0700 (PDT) ---YPT1985@aol.com wrote: > > Kraftwerk IS the most sampled band in the world, >NEXT TO James Brown - i >believe that it says that in their book. >I alone, and not being in Europe, own over 25 songs >with Kraftwerk samples, >and i'm not even looking for them or have that much >music. > Everyday i turn the radio on, and 1 out of 4 hip hop >songs and the beat that >Kraftwerk created, and many sample it and just add >more modern drums on top >(very sad). [the Numbers beat]. > ***Actually, i DO count the number of songs i hear >Kraftwerk samples in, and > in America alone the far majority is Kraftwerk. I have this one CD of techno > examples (old school) from Europe. over 1/2 the songs steal Kraftwerk as > their melodies. Just one CD. It seems that there has been more recently, for > what i can't expain, in hip hop in the past couple of years. > So what do you base your statement on then? One country, one genre (hip-hop and do I understand you correctly that you mean that they all, 1 of 4, use the Numbers beat?), one CD and a claimed statement in a book that helps spreading some of the myths of KW. I don't think this can be called a solid ground for such a statement. Especially as you lay it out as a fact and not even your own opinion. Having talked to some friends of mine who are musicians in the so called hip-hop genre. Their experiance is that KW is far from as sampled as you claim, not even in the "comercial" hip-hop. Myself I have a fairly large collection (far to large if you ask my wife) and the amount of KW samples in that collection is very small, if a statement like this is of any worth. So I will stick to my opinion that KW is not that much sampled as some on this list would like them to be. Kindest regards Smady _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: (kw) Die mensch maschine in French Date: 06 Oct 1998 09:32:45 +0200 Is there an official release of Die mensch maschine sung in French? Thanks, Didi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) Re: Sampled Band Date: 06 Oct 1998 09:59:15 +0200 Smady Menko wrote: > So I will stick to my opinion that KW is not that much sampled as some > on this list would like them to be. > > > Kindest regards > > Smady Why don't you try to listen to the house and techno songs from 1988 to 1992? You will find thousands and thousands KW's sample from Radio Activity, TEE, The man machine, TDF, CW, Electric Cafe. Didi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Smady Menko Subject: Re: R: (kw) Re: Sampled Band Date: 06 Oct 1998 01:43:35 -0700 (PDT) ---Christian Di Sante wrote: > Why don't you try to listen to the house and techno songs from 1988 to > 1992? > You will find thousands and thousands KW's sample from Radio Activity, TEE, > The man machine, TDF, CW, Electric Cafe. > So what have we have here, a four year period in two genres in the history of modern music to prove KW to be the most sampled band in the world. I'm very sorry but even as I agree with you that there were a lot of KW samples in those two genres during those four years, it doesn't prove anything. I was very much into that genre myself during those years, even with a band (but you've never heard of us since we never sampled KW ;-) ) and hoping not to sound like an ignorant moron, I must claim that my experiance is that KW was not as sampled as you make them. Still I might be wrong since I never will have the chance to listen to all the house and techno songs from all over the world that were made from that period , but so can you. I can't understand this need from some on the list to try to prove the greatness of KW by stating that they are the most sampled band in the world. Beeing the most sampled band is not a criteria for beeing the best band in the world, especially since an opinion like that is only subjective and can never be anything else. Beeing the most sampled band only proves that you could/can do some catchy things that others didn't bother to do them selves or wanted to use in an other way, and that's about all, in my opinion. You guys would be surprised if you knew how much Disney records are sampled and another band that is more sampled than people believe is Yello who also have had a bigger impact in a wider range of genres when it comes to creating musical landscapes and sounds than KW who I believe have been mostly sampled for their rythmpatterns. The sounds they have been using have been available for quite some time in synths as presets (and I might add that it's not that hard to make a sound that sounds KW-esque, use it in a song and make people think that you have sampled them. I've done this quite a few times to fool friends). Does this make Yello better than KW, off course not. I don't think that any of you guys would like KW more or less than you do now even if they were the most sampled band or not. Kindest regards Smady _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mdisante@sogei.it Subject: (kw) KW & New Order Date: 06 Oct 1998 12:26:27 +0200 In 1993 I read On an Italian Music Magazine something about the <> copied by NEW ORDER that put it in <>. I know (and i like) this song, but i failed to recognize the theme mentioned above. Could anybody help me ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: (kw) Off topic.... Date: 06 Oct 1998 08:43:01 EDT Am going to Paris, France this week....can anyone tell me what the best record stores are that I should check out?? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk win Award Date: 06 Oct 1998 09:08:19 EDT The UK Daily Mail newspaper today reported that a poll of "musicians and leading pop industry figures" had voted David Bowie the "top pop star" of the last 30 years, followed by the Beatles. Kraftwerk enjoyed 8th place, sandwiched between Stevie Wonder (7th) and Iggy Pop (9th). A great accolade indeed... strange however that neither Michael Jackson nor the Rolling Stones got a mention. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Die Roboter FS Subject: (kw) 2 KW items for auction Date: 06 Oct 1998 06:32:54 -0500 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=33965963 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=33981090 -- may u live 2 see 1999 Musique Non Stop. Techno Pop. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: R: (kw) Re: Sampled Band Date: 06 Oct 1998 10:34:59 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Smady Menko wrote: > ---Christian Di Sante wrote: > > Why don't you try to listen to the house and techno songs from 1988 to > > 1992? > > You will find thousands and thousands KW's sample from Radio > Activity, TEE, > > The man machine, TDF, CW, Electric Cafe. > I can't understand this need from some on the list to try to prove the > greatness of KW by stating that they are the most sampled band in the > world. Beeing the most sampled band is not a criteria for beeing the > best band in the world, especially since an opinion like that is only > subjective and can never be anything else. Beeing the most sampled > band only proves that you could/can do some catchy things that others > didn't bother to do them selves or wanted to use in an other way, and > that's about all, in my opinion. What I don't understand is why it's such a contentious issue on the list. Every time someone claims KW is hugely sampled or the most sampled, a bunch of people pounce on him and argue about it. Why? Claiming KW is the most-sampled obviously requires supporting statistical evidence which nobody has, but why do some people want to downplay their role in shaping the music we listen to? In the music I listen to, KW is the biggest source of samples. But I know they may not be #1 universally in that respect. Consider Star Trek samples - they're incredibly common too. In what I've heard. > I don't think that any of you guys would like KW more or less than you > do now even if they were the most sampled band or not. I certainly agree with that. The reason I promote KW samplers and sampling is that I like it. It pleases me to find a piece of music that uses KW samples, because it usually sounds good and it reassures me that I'm not the only one out there who likes KW. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Vidar Bergan Subject: (kw) Techno Pop? Date: 05 Oct 1998 18:38:21 +-100 Kraftwerk's follow-up album to Computer World was supposed to be called "Techno Pop". Why wasn't it released? Did any of the tracks emerge on "Electric Cafe"? Does there exist any bootlegs containing the Techno Pop album? Jon Vidar Bergan, Hokksund, Norway # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephenv@sirius.com (stephen vesecky) Subject: Re: R: (kw) Re: Sampled Band Date: 06 Oct 1998 13:35:41 -0700 here are my thoughts on the sampling issue: being sampled a lot is one of kraftwerk's claim to fame, in a lot of people's eyes. it is perhaps the most quantifiable way of measuring the amount of influence they have had. for kraftwerk, who most normal people don't think of as a major group, this proves that they are an influence on other musicians (and real music enthusiasts), which is what really counts, in the end. i mean, as opposed to record sales or radio airplay, where it is more a case of the general public being force-fed homogenized music. as for myself, i hope that someday kraftwerk will be considered a classic group, and will be appreciated for their work as artists. stephen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dead Reaper" Subject: Re: (kw) Techno Pop? Date: 06 Oct 1998 11:45:34 PDT >Kraftwerk's follow-up album to Computer World was supposed to be called "Techno Pop". Why wasn't it released? According to Stuart Maconie & the interviewees on the BBC Radio 1 documentary some years ago, it may have had something to do with "Ralf's cycling accident", in which he supposedly "hit his head" or somehing. Nobody really seems to know for sure. >Did any of the tracks emerge on "Electric Cafe"? A good proportion of them are supposed to have done so, yes (it also included "Tour de France"). >Does there exist any bootlegs containing the Techno Pop album? There are supposedly LP copies in existance, worth around £80 each (or so I am told). Whether these are bootlegs or proper releases is uncertain. I refer you to Klaus Zepke, who willno doubt later reply himself. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dead Reaper" Subject: Re: R: (kw) Re: Sampled Band Date: 06 Oct 1998 12:46:51 PDT >...it reassures me that I'm not the only one out there who likes KW. Why on earth was that a worry? Everybody who's anything & who likes anything vaguely electronic seems to love them, as far as I can make out. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: R: (kw) Re: Sampled Band Date: 06 Oct 1998 18:10:17 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, stephen vesecky wrote: > being sampled a lot is one of kraftwerk's claim to fame, in a lot of > people's eyes. it is perhaps the most quantifiable way of measuring the > amount of influence they have had. Well said. Or at least it's the most obvious way of doing so. > in the end. i mean, as opposed to record sales or radio airplay, where it > is more a case of the general public being force-fed homogenized music. I fail to understand why people will buy a bad record just because it's artificially "popular". Some of the radio stations around here play the same thing over again every two hours. A couple of days of that and I'd rather stomp the record into teeny little pieces. > as for myself, i hope that someday kraftwerk will be considered a classic > group, and will be appreciated for their work as artists. Well, we as KW fans can help make it so. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: R: (kw) Re: Sampled Band Date: 06 Oct 1998 18:16:52 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Dead Reaper wrote: > >...it reassures me that I'm not the only one out there who likes KW. > > Why on earth was that a worry? Everybody who's anything & who likes > anything vaguely electronic seems to love them, as far as I can make > out. It's probably an artifact of where I live. With the exception of this mailing list, it's only in the last three years that I've met anyone who has even _heard_ of KW. I attribute that to the rise of hardcore techno, trance and ambient in recent years. Well, there was one guy I knew in Toronto about 8 years ago who had been to their concert there, but that's it. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Kraftwerk win Award Date: 07 Oct 1998 01:56:57 -0400 >strange however that neither Michael Jackson nor the Rolling Stones got = a >mention. No Stones, huh? Well, I guess aside from their one good song (2120 = South Michigan Avenue) and the album it was on (12x5), they haven't = really done too much in the last 33 years, have they? I guess Michael Jackson with his C.M. reputation, got him excluded. Hey, did Milli Vanilli make the list? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Techno Pop? Date: 07 Oct 1998 09:29:16 +0700 > There are supposedly LP copies in existance, worth around £80 each (or > so I am told). Whether these are bootlegs or proper releases is > uncertain. I refer you to Klaus Zepke, who willno doubt later reply > himself. > hehe, and I refer both of you to the list archives, where this topic has been discussed in depth. ;-) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk win Award (OFF TOPIC) Date: 07 Oct 1998 05:05:31 EDT No, Milli Vanilli did not make the list. However, that may be appropriate as you think: One member (name escapes me) committed suicide recently after years of hounding after the "revelation" that Milli Vanilli were the product of Boney M head honcho (and German !) Frank Farian. As this MV frontpersons resided in Germany, the case created a press furore. It appears that the unfortunate person involved was the subject of regular pogroms in his home town, incl. such cultural delicacies as public burning of "his" records. Strangely enough, Farian himself (resident in the Bahamas, perchance ?) didn't come in for this kind of treatment, even when the multi-million Boney M machine turned out to be a scam. Kinda reminds me of a James song: "Fat cats playing roulette with lives..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DwightG@nesbbx.rain.com (Dwight Gruber) Subject: (kw) Re: {kw} Best KW's song Date: 07 Oct 1998 00:43:30 PST In <77187A0CDDB.AAA40C9@mta3.iol.it>, "Christian Di Sante" writes: > > Hi everybody! > > What is in your opinion the best KW's song ever? > Mine is "The Robots". > > Didi I haven't answered that question even for myself yet. The most poignant, however, has to be "Neonlicht." --DwightG -- DwightG@nesbbx.rain.COM # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mdisante@sogei.it Subject: (kw) Was it the beginning of the end ???? Date: 07 Oct 1998 12:18:03 +0200 In 1978, KW released a short interview for an (AWFUL !) italian magazine (<>); Ralf said : "Kling & Klang are me and Florian: two <>." I was very young (12) then but now i think that maybe Karl and Wolfgang could have been a little hurted, feeling themselves <> ... The rest is history (<> and <>, many years after). What do you think about it ??? Best regards Marcello # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Influenced by Date: 07 Oct 1998 14:15:00 +0200 Hi there, Does anyone of you know some data about any of the following records influenced by KW? a) Automagic "Neurobotic" LP b) A band called Robot, that comes from Sweden, unless I am mistaken. c) "Munich Machine" by DJ Hell, that contains sounds and rhythm-patterns à la KRAFTWERK. TIA. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Komputer Review Date: 07 Oct 1998 16:28:12 +0200 (DFT) A German language review of Komputer's concert in Stuttgart can be found in today's edition of the Stuttgarter Nachrichten. The article is online at http://www.stuttgarter-nachrichten.de/dc1/html/news-stn/19981007kult0008.htm. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dead Reaper" Subject: Re: R: (kw) Re: Sampled Band Date: 07 Oct 1998 03:25:21 PDT >> >...it reassures me that I'm not the only one out there who likes KW. >> >> Why on earth was that a worry? Everybody who's anything & who likes >> anything vaguely electronic seems to love them, as far as I can make >> out. > >It's probably an artifact of where I live. With the exception of this >mailing list, it's only in the last three years that I've met anyone who >has even _heard_ of KW. I attribute that to the rise of hardcore techno, >trance and ambient in recent years. > >Well, there was one guy I knew in Toronto about 8 years ago who had been >to their concert there, but that's it. I take your point actually: I only knew one person at school who liked them (Andy: are you out there or are you too busy climbing): everybody else liked Indie+60s or Metallica. But hey, these are the 90s. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Covers Date: 07 Oct 1998 11:50:22 +0200 Ra wrote: > On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Der Automat wrote: >=20 > > Ra wrote: > > > On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: > > > > There's simply no need to actually SAMPLE Kraftwerk, especially > > > > given > > the miserable sound quality of their CDs. > > > > > > Hey? What's that supposed to mean? They sound just fine to me. Bett= er > > > than the records or tapes, though maybe not quite as rich as CDs fr= om > > > some other groups. > > > > I added to MERSEYCHAM. > > At the present time we can really make music like Kraftwerk's music n= ot > > with > > samples of them, but with (a lot of) current synthesizers. > > For example Komputer create songs based in the sounds of similar > > instruments to the ones used by KRAFTWERK. They NO sample to KW. > > This is more effective and you do not have to pay copyrights. :-) >=20 > Good point. I hadn't thought of that, actually. But I was referring to > Merseycham's comment about bad sound quality on the KW CDs. The bad sound quality is not only on the KW CDs but on the whole CDs. IMO the sound quality of the current CDs it leaves a lot to be desired in general. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Techno Pop? Date: 07 Oct 1998 17:04:19 +0200 (DFT) > >Does there exist any bootlegs containing the Techno Pop album? >=20 > There are supposedly LP copies in existance, worth around =A380 each (o= r=20 > so I am told). Whether these are bootlegs or proper releases is=20 > uncertain. I refer you to Klaus Zepke, who willno doubt later reply=20 > himself. With great pleasure. ;-) LP copies of the "Techno Pop" album don't exist, neither officially nor i= n bootleg form. They can't exist, as there is no finished version of this album. So-called "Techno Pop" bootleg audio tapes are in circulation, though, bu= t it is reported that these are just fakes featuring the well-known demo versions of "Sex Object" and "Techno Pop" (the track, not the album! ;-) = ),=20 plus obscure homemade remixes of "Tour de France" and "The Telephone Call". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) The "Time Out" opinion poll Date: 07 Oct 1998 17:13:36 +0200 (DFT) > Hey, did Milli Vanilli make the list? The complete list of the "Top Ten" artists can be found in today's edition of various German newspapers, for example in the Siegener Zeitung, online at http://www.pipeline.de/cgi-bin/pipeline.fcg?userid=893&publikation=3& template=arttext&ausgabe=650&redaktion=1&artikel=101538637 Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) 2 KW items for auction Date: 07 Oct 1998 17:16:27 +0200 (DFT) On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Die Roboter FS wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=33965963 Despite the misleading description on this webpage, the offered item is of course a (probably homemade) bootleg, and not a legal product. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Mojo reviews Barr Date: 07 Oct 1998 18:09:12 +0200 (DFT) The October issue of Mojo features a (very naive and uncritical) review of Tim Barr's new Kraftwerk book "From Duesseldorf to the Future (with Love)". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) Techno Pop? Date: 07 Oct 1998 18:46:22 +0200 > >Does there exist any bootlegs containing the Techno Pop album? >>LP copies of the "Techno Pop" album don't exist, neither officially nor in >>bootleg form. They can't exist, as there is no finished version of this >>album. >>So-called "Techno Pop" bootleg audio tapes are in circulation, though, but >>it is reported that these are just fakes featuring the well-known demo >>versions of "Sex Object" and "Techno Pop" (the track, not the album! ;-) ), >>plus obscure homemade remixes of "Tour de France" and "The Telephone >>Call". Into KW bootleg "Toccata Electronica" You can find the 1983 version of the track "Techno Pop". However, at number 8 of the same bootleg, there is a track called "Zehn Kleine Negerlein"; by the rustle in background it's possible to understand this has been mastered by a vynil. But the acid groove of the song allows to understand it's a recent composition, surely not by KW, because of the samples of CW. What about this song? What is the meaning of the title? If this song is not a KW song, as I think, why it has been included into this bootleg? All you witty umorists on the list, don't answer me: << Because it's a bootleg!>>, please...... ;-) Didi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ---------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) "Techno Pop" / "Zehn kleine Negerlein" Date: 07 Oct 1998 19:09:09 +0200 (DFT) > Into KW bootleg "Toccata Electronica" You can find the 1983 version of the > track "Techno Pop". That's just a rough demo version, probably from an earlier date than 1983. > However, at number 8 of the same bootleg, there is a track called "Zehn > Kleine Negerlein"; by the rustle in background it's possible to understand > this has been mastered by a vynil. > But the acid groove of the song allows to understand it's a recent > composition, surely not by KW, because of the samples of CW. > What about this song? > What is the meaning of the title? "Ten little Negros". > If this song is not a KW song, as I think, why it has been included into > this bootleg? > All you witty umorists on the list, don't answer me: << Because it's a > bootleg!>>, please...... ;-) What other answer do you expect? ;-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) "This is Space" Date: 07 Oct 1998 19:22:33 +0200 (DFT) AFAIK, the Cleopatra 4-CD compilation "This is Space" features two Kraftwerk tracks, "Antenna" and "Spacelab". Does anyone know if the latter is the single edit or the album version of "Spacelab"? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank Schelter Subject: RE: (kw) Offtopic: Depeche Mode-playlist Date: 07 Oct 1998 19:29:53 -0000 Thanx to all who send the DM-playlist to me! I was in Cologne on 5th oct. and it was a really nice conxcert! Bye # # ##### ##### ##### ##### # # ##### ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ### #### ##### #### # # # # ### #### ### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ##### # # # # ES WIRD IMMER WEITEGEHN, MUSIK ALS TRAEGER VON IDEEN... www.kraftwerk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alan Stanford" Subject: (kw) kw chicago Date: 07 Oct 1998 10:44:16 PDT Does anyone have a play list for the Chicago show, June 10, 1998? I was there, but I was so overcome with excitement that I forgot what they all played. Any other information about Their Chicago appearance that I might of missed would be much appreciated, also. Thanks. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Sampled Band Date: 07 Oct 1998 17:33:45 +0200 (DFT) > Every time someone claims KW is hugely sampled or the most sampled, a > bunch of people pounce on him and argue about it. Why? Claiming KW is > the most-sampled obviously requires supporting statistical evidence > which nobody has, You've answered your own question. ;-) > but why do some people want to downplay their role in shaping > the music we listen to? I can't see a *direct* relation between being sampled and shaping music. Somebody (was it Pierre Henry?) once defined music as "organized noise", while a sample is usually just noise. > being sampled a lot is one of kraftwerk's claim to fame, in a lot of > people's eyes. it is perhaps the most quantifiable way of measuring the > amount of influence they have had. That's true, but I don't think that it is a very significant measure. Otherwise, sample compilation albums and sample databanks should be regarded as highly influential musical works. ;-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: RE: (kw) Covers Date: 07 Oct 1998 12:28:57 -0600 (MDT) On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Der Automat wrote: > Ra wrote: > > Good point. I hadn't thought of that, actually. But I was referring to > > Merseycham's comment about bad sound quality on the KW CDs. > > The bad sound quality is not only on the KW CDs but on the whole CDs. IMO > the sound quality of the current CDs it leaves a lot to be desired in > general. Oh. I agree that the sampling rate and bit depth should be much higher, but in my opinion CDs are still much better than any of the other formats. Except maybe DAT and DVD, neither of which I've heard. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonas Lantz Subject: (kw) Re: Influenced by Date: 07 Oct 1998 22:14:58 +0200 > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:15:00 +0200 > From: "Der Automat" > Subject: (kw) Influenced by > > Hi there, > > Does anyone of you know some data about any of the following records > influenced by > KW? > a) Automagic "Neurobotic" LP > b) A band called Robot, that comes from Sweden, unless I am mistaken. > c) "Munich Machine" by DJ Hell, that contains sounds and rhythm-patterns à > la KRAFTWERK. Yes, the great band Robot are Swedish. You can find info on Robot here: http://www.starboy.se/robot/ http://www.moonfire.se/clubmotor/robot/index.html http://www.chrysalismusic.com/noframes/unsigned/robot.html Best regards / Jonas Lantz -- _____________________________________________________ E-mail: magnat@algonet.se ICQ: 4388784 Homepage: http://surf.to/lantz ______________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dead Reaper" Subject: Re: (kw) Techno Pop? Date: 07 Oct 1998 13:21:38 PDT >> There are supposedly LP copies in existance, worth around =A380 >LP copies of the "Techno Pop" album don't exist, neither officially nor i= >n >bootleg form. They can't exist, as there is no finished version of this >album. I believe you: you should know, but I did find this "fact" in a fairly reliable book (I forget which) Sorry for mis-spelling your name by the way. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: (kw) Vom Himmel Hoch Date: 07 Oct 1998 23:29:20 +0200 >>BTW, does anyone know the translation for Vom Himmel Hoch? Something about Heaven High Literally: From the heaven high Slightly better english: From above (??) /Joakim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: (kw) Komputer Konzert Date: 08 Oct 1998 02:14:44 +0200 Hi everybody! Just come home from the Komputer Konzert in vienna...and it was a really good gig. Two guys were playing (the third is pregnant or so). Some sounds and melodies sound *very* simular to Kraftwerk, seem to be straight sampled from Kraftwerk albums. And also the concept with the videos (which are also kraftwerk-ish, you can see robots, trains,...) in the background. I don't have the impression that they play a lot of live (well, of course some melodies)...just pressing buttons...well, we know this ;-). They drunk during the show (thats maybe the only big difference to Kraftwerk ;-) ) - it seemed to be voodka - and they use blue-flashing belts in the second part of the show. Hmm, that's all. Gruesse aus Wien, Georgie -- * Georg Jajus - Vienna - Austria * http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * SMS & phone: +436765621850 * "In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcafe, Direktverbindung TEE..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Sampled Band Date: 07 Oct 1998 18:19:59 -0600 (MDT) On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > From: Ra : > > Every time someone claims KW is hugely sampled or the most sampled, a > > bunch of people pounce on him and argue about it. Why? Claiming KW is > > the most-sampled obviously requires supporting statistical evidence > > which nobody has, > > You've answered your own question. ;-) Not really. Sometimes it seems that people get slapped down for even claiming that KW is *often* sampled. > > but why do some people want to downplay their role in shaping > > the music we listen to? > > I can't see a *direct* relation between being sampled and shaping music. > Somebody (was it Pierre Henry?) once defined music as "organized noise", > while a sample is usually just noise. To me, it is a direct relationship. A piece of music is made good or not by the choice of instruments/samples. Sometimes a tune is written around the samples. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I consider use of someone else's samples a sort of tip-o-the-hat. It acknowledges the creation of a great sound. Even better is when attribution is given for the samples. > > being sampled a lot is one of kraftwerk's claim to fame, in a lot of > > people's eyes. it is perhaps the most quantifiable way of measuring the > > amount of influence they have had. > > That's true, but I don't think that it is a very significant measure. > Otherwise, sample compilation albums and sample databanks should be > regarded as highly influential musical works. ;-) Speaking of which, I often wonder how people get such clean KW samples. Some of Techmaster PEB's samples from "Numbers" are amazingly clean - I can't detect any trace of Numbers, yet they sound exactly like the original KW voices. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Smady Menko Subject: Re: (kw) Sampled Band Date: 07 Oct 1998 23:49:12 -0700 (PDT) ---Ra wrote: > > > On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > > From: Ra : >>> Claiming KW is > > > the most-sampled obviously requires supporting statistical evidence > > > which nobody has, > > > > You've answered your own question. ;-) > > Not really. Sometimes it seems that people get slapped down for even > claiming that KW is *often* sampled. Hmm... I don't think that people gets "slapped down" as you describe it for claiming that KW is "often" sampled, but they are questioned for stating as a fact that they are the most smapled band in the world without backing it up with anything. Surley people on this list are aware that if you make a statement, there is a possibillity that it will be questioned. But then on the other hand, what kind of a list do we want to have. One to build myths about KW where you can make statements without beeing questioned and by that not having the risc that anyone will feel "slapped" when questioned OR a list where we share facts and OPINIONS wich we also can discuss. I feel quite strongly for the later. > > > being sampled a lot is one of kraftwerk's claim to fame, in a lot of > > > people's eyes. it is perhaps the most quantifiable way of measuring the > > > amount of influence they have had. > > > > That's true, but I don't think that it is a very significant measure. > > Otherwise, sample compilation albums and sample databanks should be > > regarded as highly influential musical works. ;-) He he, right on spot Klaus. Kindest regards Smady _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Sampled Band Date: 08 Oct 1998 11:13:37 +0100 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > I can't see a *direct* relation between being sampled and shaping > music. > Somebody (was it Pierre Henry?) once defined music as "organized > noise" It was Edgar Varese. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, Home: mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| Work, preferred: mouat@markdata.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Techno Pop? Date: 08 Oct 1998 15:27:32 +0200 Jon Vidar Bergan, Hokksund, Norway wrote: >>Kraftwerk's follow-up album to Computer World was supposed to be called >>"Techno Pop". Why wasn't it released? Dead Reaper wrote: >According to Stuart Maconie & the interviewees on the BBC Radio 1 >documentary some years ago, it may have had something to do with "Ralf's >cycling accident", in which he supposedly "hit his head" or somehing. >Nobody really seems to know for sure. IMO the truly reason for the cancellation of the release of Techno Pop LP was because of KW realised the new tendencies of electronic music and techno genre in the world (and specially in USA) at that time, and then their music was going to be obsolete completely. Another " official " theory says that this was for the change of the equipment from analogical to digitalis. >>Did any of the tracks emerge on "Electric Cafe"? >A good proportion of them are supposed to have done so, yes (it also >included "Tour de France"). I think the track listing of Techno Pop could be: Music Non Stop, Sex Object and Tour de France. >>Does there exist any bootlegs containing the Techno Pop album? >There are supposedly LP copies in existance, worth around £80 each (or >so I am told). Whether these are bootlegs or proper releases is >uncertain. I refer you to Klaus Zepke, who willno doubt later reply >himself. "The First DJ Edition" CD contains Music Non Stop and "Rebuilt In 92 (part II)" (Düsseldorf, Germany, live & demo versions) contains Sex Object. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mallade" <0732240d01@cplus.es> Subject: RE: (kw) Techno Pop? Date: 08 Oct 1998 16:10:26 +0200 >IMO the truly reason for the cancellation of the release of Techno Pop LP >was because >of KW realised the new tendencies of electronic music and techno genre in >the world (and specially in USA) at that time, and then their music was >going to be obsolete completely. >Another " official " theory says that this was for the change of the >equipment from analogical to digitalis. I thought Ralf's bike accident had something to do with it, too. Fer mallade@abonados.cplus.es http://members.tripod.com/~mallade # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: RE: (kw) Techno Pop? Date: 08 Oct 1998 15:36:58 +0000 At 3:27 pm +0200 8/10/98, Der Automat wrote: >Another " official " theory says that this was for the change of the >equipment from analogical to digitalis. After his accident, Ralf may well have decided to swap his analogue bike for digitalis (a natural heart stimulant), but I'm not sure... :-) K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dead Reaper" Subject: Re: (kw) Sampled Band Date: 08 Oct 1998 03:43:07 PDT >Klaus Zaepke wrote: >> I can't see a *direct* relation between being sampled and shaping >> music. >> Somebody (was it Pierre Henry?) once defined music as "organized >> noise" > >It was Edgar Varese. I think the Oxford English Dictionary says something to the effect of "pleasant sounds or melodies". Same thing really. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: KW: Re: (kw) what is this ? Off topic, for one thing... Date: 08 Oct 1998 08:35:24 -0400 >>** IMPORTANT INFORMATION ** >>This message is intended only for the use of the person(s) ("the Intended >>Recipient") to whom it is addressed. It may contain information which is privileged >>and confidential >I don't wanna be unmanerly but... 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ --------- End forwarded message ---------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott_Coverley@fac.com Subject: (kw) Stockhausen Date: 08 Oct 1998 11:50:10 -0400 Last Sunday there was an article in the NY times about Stockhausen and Pierre Boulez. The author mentioned that there are no recordings of Stockhausen available in CD format and maybe not even on Vinyl. Is this correct? If not, anyone steer me in the right direction? Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) Stockhausen Date: 08 Oct 1998 11:57:22 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 Scott_Coverley@fac.com wrote: > Last Sunday there was an article in the NY times about Stockhausen and > Pierre Boulez. The author mentioned that there are no recordings of > Stockhausen available in CD format and maybe not even on Vinyl. Is > this correct? If not, anyone steer me in the right direction? That's nonsense. There's lots of Stockhausen on CD, in fact even Tower Records always keeps a few in stock. Lots o' vinyl, too. They may have been referring to the multi-part megaopera he's been composing since the 1970s, which he's not releasing until the whole thing is complete. ******************************************************************************* John Morgan "In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias Student Services, they had warfare, terror, murder, and The University of Michigan bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, LS&A Honors Program Leonardo da Vinci, and the http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ Renaissance. In Switzerland including The Colin Wilson Page they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. See you later, Holly." --Orson Welles, THE THIRD MAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: RE: (kw) Stockhausen Date: 08 Oct 1998 16:53:18 +0100 > Last Sunday there was an article in the NY times about Stockhausen and > Pierre Boulez. The author mentioned that there are no recordings of > Stockhausen available in CD format and maybe not even on Vinyl. Is > this correct? If not, anyone steer me in the right direction? This is absolutely false. I have a number of Stockhausen CDs. The truth is that Stockhausen is buying all his recordings and releases back from the big labels. He has an extensive collection of CDs released on his own label. More info at http://www.stockhausen.org/ Best! -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, Home: mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| Work, preferred: mouat@markdata.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark reed Subject: Re: (kw) Techno Pop? Date: 14 Sep 1998 18:19:37 +0100 >>Another " official " theory says that this was for the change of the >>equipment from analogical to digitalis. Avtually, I suspect the reason there are so many rumours why it was pulled is because no one wants to admit Kraftwerk are actually very lazy. -- mark reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) Stockhausen Date: 08 Oct 1998 11:57:22 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 Scott_Coverley@fac.com wrote: > Last Sunday there was an article in the NY times about Stockhausen and > Pierre Boulez. The author mentioned that there are no recordings of > Stockhausen available in CD format and maybe not even on Vinyl. Is > this correct? If not, anyone steer me in the right direction? That's nonsense. There's lots of Stockhausen on CD, in fact even Tower Records always keeps a few in stock. Lots o' vinyl, too. They may have been referring to the multi-part megaopera he's been composing since the 1970s, which he's not releasing until the whole thing is complete. ******************************************************************************* John Morgan "In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias Student Services, they had warfare, terror, murder, and The University of Michigan bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, LS&A Honors Program Leonardo da Vinci, and the http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ Renaissance. In Switzerland including The Colin Wilson Page they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. See you later, Holly." --Orson Welles, THE THIRD MAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: RE: (kw) Stockhausen Date: 08 Oct 1998 16:53:18 +0100 > Last Sunday there was an article in the NY times about Stockhausen and > Pierre Boulez. The author mentioned that there are no recordings of > Stockhausen available in CD format and maybe not even on Vinyl. Is > this correct? If not, anyone steer me in the right direction? This is absolutely false. I have a number of Stockhausen CDs. The truth is that Stockhausen is buying all his recordings and releases back from the big labels. He has an extensive collection of CDs released on his own label. More info at http://www.stockhausen.org/ Best! -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, Home: mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| Work, preferred: mouat@markdata.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Techno Pop? Date: 08 Oct 1998 20:08:14 +0200 (DFT) > From: Dead Reaper > > >> There are supposedly LP copies in existance,=20 > > >copies of the "Techno Pop" album don't exist, neither officially nor i= n > >bootleg form. They can't exist, as there is no finished version of thi= s > >album. > > I believe you: you should know, but I did find this "fact" in a fairly > reliable book (I forget which) Of course there is no way to prove that the album doesn't exist, but any=20 attempts to prove that it *does* exist have failed so far, and Ralf Huetter, Karl Bartos and Wolfgang Fluer have independently stated that=20 the master tapes were never delivered to EMI, so it seems to be quite safe to conclude that the album doesn't exist.=20 > From: Der Automat > > Another " official " theory says that this was for the change of the > equipment from analogical to digitalis. What makes this theory "official"? > I think the track listing of Techno Pop could be: Music Non Stop, Sex > Object and Tour de France. In fact, the announced tracklisting for the album was "Techno Pop", "Tour de France", "Sex Object" and "The Telephone Call". > "The First DJ Edition" CD contains Music Non Stop No, it doesn't. > and "Rebuilt In 92 (part II)" (D=FCsseldorf, Germany, live & demo=20 > versions) contains Sex Object. This "Razormaid Mix" is just a semi-official DJ mix of the "Electric Cafe" album version of "Sex Object". Similarily, the version of "Techno Pop" on this bootleg CD is just an unfinished demo version, and not a track from an imaginary "Techno Pop" album. > From: mark reed > > Avtually, I suspect the reason there are so many rumours why it was > pulled is because no one wants to admit Kraftwerk are actually very > lazy. Exactly. :-) Klaus Zaepke =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) KLEMblad Date: 08 Oct 1998 20:10:13 +0200 (DFT) Issue 97 of the Dutch fanzine KLEMblad features a number of Kraftwerk-related topics: 1) Brief reviews of Kraftwerk-related Internet sites (partly outdated), 2) Review of Kraftwerk's Roskilde apperance, 3) Review of the "Concert Classics" album, 4) A number of reviews of recent releases from Klaus Dinger and Michael Rother. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Sampled Band Date: 08 Oct 1998 12:14:22 -0600 (MDT) On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Smady Menko wrote: > ---Ra wrote: > > Not really. Sometimes it seems that people get slapped down for even > > claiming that KW is *often* sampled. > > Hmm... I don't think that people gets "slapped down" as you describe > it for claiming that KW is "often" sampled, but they are questioned > for stating as a fact that they are the most smapled band in the world > without backing it up with anything. > Surley people on this list are aware that if you make a statement, > there is a possibillity that it will be questioned. Ah, here's the heart of the question. Thanks. The confusion comes from the difficulty in telling a statement of fact from a statement of opinion. Unless you say "*in my opinion* KW is the most-sampled band", some people are going to assume you mean it as an absolute truth. > But then on the other hand, what kind of a list do we want to have. > One to build myths about KW where you can make statements without > beeing questioned and by that not having the risc that anyone will > feel "slapped" when questioned OR a list where we share facts and > OPINIONS wich we also can discuss. > I feel quite strongly for the later. So do I. We just need to make ourselves a little clearer sometimes. A little less rampant rumor-mongering would be nice too. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nowhere000@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Techno Pop? Date: 08 Oct 1998 15:12:16 EDT In a message dated 98-10-08 14:12:46 EDT, you write: << >> There are supposedly LP copies in existance, > > >copies of the "Techno Pop" album don't exist, neither officially nor in > >bootleg form. They can't exist, as there is no finished version of this > >album. > > I believe you: you should know, but I did find this "fact" in a fairly > reliable book (I forget which) Of course there is no way to prove that the album doesn't exist, but any attempts to prove that it *does* exist have failed so far, and Ralf Huetter, Karl Bartos and Wolfgang Fluer have independently stated that the master tapes were never delivered to EMI, so it seems to be quite safe to conclude that the album doesn't exist. > From: Der Automat > > Another " official " theory says that this was for the change of the > equipment from analogical to digitalis. What makes this theory "official"? > I think the track listing of Techno Pop could be: Music Non Stop, Sex > Object and Tour de France. In fact, the announced tracklisting for the album was "Techno Pop", "Tour de France", "Sex Object" and "The Telephone Call". > "The First DJ Edition" CD contains Music Non Stop No, it doesn't. > and "Rebuilt In 92 (part II)" (Düsseldorf, Germany, live & demo > versions) contains Sex Object. This "Razormaid Mix" is just a semi-official DJ mix of the "Electric Cafe" album version of "Sex Object". Similarily, the version of "Techno Pop" on this bootleg CD is just an unfinished demo version, and not a track from an imaginary "Techno Pop" album. > From: mark reed > > Avtually, I suspect the reason there are so many rumours why it was > pulled is because no one wants to admit Kraftwerk are actually very > lazy. Exactly. :-) Klaus Zaepke >> Kalr Bartos claims Techno Pop Does exist & felt it was far better than Electric cafe. One of the cuts from the Techno Pop lp did leak out "Techno Pop" Indeed this means it is not a demo. He said Ralfs battel for life, fighting within the grop, and constant remixing lead to the three year delay and name change to the lp. Many of the changes were Ralfs idea. Bartos feels Music non stop was the best of the bunch on Electric Cafe. Source- inteview for Sound on sound. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Techno Pop? Date: 08 Oct 1998 21:29:26 +0200 (DFT) > Kalr Bartos claims Techno Pop Does exist & felt it was far better than > Electric cafe. > Source- interview for Sound on sound. He was just referring to some demo tapes, not to a finished album. > One of the cuts from the Techno Pop lp did leak out "Techno Pop" This is obviously not from a finished album, it's a demo. Not even the bootleggers deny this. > Indeed this means it is not a demo. Why does it have to mean this? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ">> a b z u g <<" Subject: (kw) mini calculateur Date: 08 Oct 1998 20:24:41 +0100 hi all, work has kept me away from the list (and my pc in general) over the last couple of months so now i only dip in occasionaly. still no new album? well there's a surprise! anyway, who can tell me if the french edition of 'computer world' has ever been issued on cd? i'm seeking a digital recording of 'mini calculateur' as after 17 years my cassette has become a little worn... dampfabzug # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: (kw) Re: Vom Himmel Hoch, etc. Date: 08 Oct 1998 21:22:52 +0500 Isn't "Vom Himmel Hoch" also the title of a hymn by Martin Luther? In any case, "From Above" sounds like a good translation, since parts of it sound like an air raid, with airplane noises and explosions... But I especially like the part that sounds like two ducks arguing over the telephone; I have two brothers (twins) who were about 7 years old at the time I bought the album, and they would bust out laughing when they heard it. :-) Maybe "V. H. H." was an early attempt at political satire. BTW: Is there any evidence that Karl played bass synth in addition to the usual percussion? It doesn't seem as though he had much to do in songs like "Showroom Dummies", unless he played the 'kick bass' while Wolfgang played the 'snare' (or vice-versa). If so, it must have been pretty boring... :-) -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Smady Menko Subject: Re: (kw) Sampled Band Date: 09 Oct 1998 01:37:34 -0700 (PDT) ---Ra wrote: > Ah, here's the heart of the question. Thanks. The confusion comes from > the difficulty in telling a statement of fact from a statement of > opinion. Unless you say "*in my opinion* KW is the most-sampled band", some > people are going to assume you mean it as an absolute truth. At least it would be easier to tell the difference, right :-) Kindest regards Smady _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: KW: Re: (kw) what is this ? Off topic, for one thing... Date: 09 Oct 1998 06:09:07 EDT In a message dated 08/10/98 15:17:47 GMT, you write: << Slightly higher in California >> kewl, maaan ! K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Sampled Band Date: 09 Oct 1998 15:39:08 +0200 Ra wrote: > To me, it is a direct relationship. A piece of music is made good or not > by the choice of instruments/samples. Sometimes a tune is written around > the samples. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Countless things with a sampler, not only can be done tunes. Sampler is the most important musical advance of this century. Listen to the works of Coldcut and Art of Noise, for example. > I consider use of someone else's samples a sort of tip-o-the-hat. IMHO a musician can (and he must) use the samples of another musician to construct new (and innovating) sounds. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) RE: Tour De Express Date: 09 Oct 1998 13:11:05 +0200 On monday 5th october 1998 13:39, I wrote: > Any idea about the following?: > > Title search results for "21 Racing Tracks - Tour de France": > VA-Stars Of Bop Tour De France > Classical search results for "21 Racing Tracks - Tour de France": > Bizet/Debussy/Saint-Saens/+ Tour De France Tour de France - 21 Racing Tracks is a various artists CD which features a new version of Tour de France (named Tour de France 98) by Karl Bartos! ("ex-Kw member" as stated on the sleeve design). This compilation has been released in Germany by Warners. I do not know, however, what Bizet/Debussy/Saint-Saens/+ Tour De France have got to do with it. Neither "Stars Of Bop Tour De France". Does anyone knows it? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) "Zehn kleine Negerlein" Date: 09 Oct 1998 15:46:56 +0200 > > Into KW bootleg "Toccata Electronica" You can find the 1983 version of > the > > track "Techno Pop". > That's just a rough demo version, probably from an earlier date than 1983. > > However, at number 8 of the same bootleg, there is a track called "Zehn > > Kleine Negerlein"; by the rustle in background it's possible to > understand > > this has been mastered by a vynil. > > But the acid groove of the song allows to understand it's a recent > > composition, surely not by KW, because of the samples of CW. > > What about this song? > > What is the meaning of the title? > "Ten little Negros". I think the title is "One Hundred Little Negros". > > If this song is not a KW song, as I think, why it has been included into > > this bootleg? > > All you witty umorists on the list, don't answer me: << Because it's a > > bootleg!>>, please...... ;-) > > What other answer do you expect? ;-) Of doubtful taste is the inclusion of a version of the infantile song " Zehn Kleine Negerlein " ("One Hundred Little Negros") by a German techno band. Ten Little Negros is also the title of Agatha Christie's novel. There's another CD bootleg called "Tour De Trance", again a mixture of previous publications of mixes of disc-jockeys, and some tracks, even more desperate, are not by Kraftwerk, they include only samples of "Die Mensch-Maschine", and even there is a song supposedly by Wolfgang Fluer, "Robocop 2". If you want a decription of these and other more KW bootlegs ask me for a copy of "The Complete Kraftwerkers Guide To Bootleg CD's (So far!)" published by the Aktivität fanzine team. ;-) Mail me if you are interesed. I can sell or swap for any KW produkt. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Yamo Aktivity Date: 09 Oct 1998 13:42:14 +0200 Apologies if this of you who already know this. Wolfgang are working in a new track titled Serenity Supreme for the next album by Yamo. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "MSI Support Lars Propach" Subject: Re: (kw) "Zehn kleine Negerlein" Date: 09 Oct 1998 16:18:10 +0200 >> "Ten little Negros". >I think the title is "One Hundred Little Negros". Why hundred ? "Zehn" means ten so I think "Ten little Negros" is correct. And the german techno band also sings about ten little negros. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: RE: (kw) Sampled Band Date: 09 Oct 1998 10:20:36 EDT In a message dated 10/9/98 1:52:00 PM, automat wrote: Subject: (kw) New tracks Date: 09 Oct 1998 16:23:27 +0200 What new tracks did KW play at their performance at Roskilde? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Harback Subject: (kw) Neonlights by OMD Date: 09 Oct 1998 10:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Has anyone heard the cover of Neonlights by OMD? I was just wondering if it's at all worth seeking out. I mean, obviously the Kraftwerk original is much better, but, well, I was just curious. Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Yamo Aktivity Date: 09 Oct 1998 16:26:40 +0100 "serenity supreme" will be the title of the 2nd yamo album. chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) "Zehn kleine Negerlein" Date: 09 Oct 1998 11:44:13 EDT Zehn kleine Negerlein is a somewhat non-politically correct and outdated counting song... the equivalent of which (in the UK) is "Ten Green Bottles". ten green bottles standing on the wall (repeat) and if one green bottle should accidentally fall... there'll be nine green bottles standing on the wall Basically, each verse is sung with one less bottle... or indeed little black person... until, well..., there are none left. I'll leave it to you to ruminate on the connotations that might have. :-) K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: RE: (kw) "Zehn kleine Negerlein" Date: 09 Oct 1998 17:49:43 +0200 (DFT) > > > What is the meaning of the title? > > > "Ten little Negros". > > I think the title is "One Hundred Little Negros". Please check a dictionary, and you should note that "zehn" translates to "ten". > Of doubtful taste is the inclusion of a version of the infantile song You probably meant "children's song"? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: (kw) Worst songs Date: 09 Oct 1998 12:41:57 -0400 There's been a lot of talk here lately about other electronic and quasi-electronic groups...this guy is lousy, that one STOLE from KW, etc... That inspires me to ask a question of everyone who would care to answer: What is your absolutely least favo(u)rite song ever produced by any artist. I'll start the ball rolling. My least favorite (I can't even stand to listen to it all the way through) is an instrumental called "Free Form Guitar" by the enormously popular group Chicago - It was a guitar solo by the late Terry Kath. Anyone who wants me to elaborate, ask... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: RE: (kw) Sampled Band Date: 09 Oct 1998 12:11:13 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Der Automat wrote: > Ra wrote: > > To me, it is a direct relationship. A piece of music is made good or not > > by the choice of instruments/samples. Sometimes a tune is written around > > the samples. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. > > Countless things with a sampler, not only can be done tunes. Sampler is the > most important musical advance of this century. Listen to the works of > Coldcut and Art of Noise, for example. I'd qualify that by saying samplers and synths (and sampling synths!) are the most important instruments of all time (to me). Sequencers are up there too. Because if all we had were samplers, we'd end up recycling the same tired samples over and over again. > > I consider use of someone else's samples a sort of tip-o-the-hat. > > IMHO a musician can (and he must) use the samples of another musician to > construct new (and innovating) sounds. I wouldn't say must. There are lots of other sources for samples, as you pointed out by mentioning the Art of Noise. Machines, voices, radio, TV, movies, cosmic noise, etc etc... I'm fond of songs that make liberal use of Star Trek samples, actually. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Sampled Band Date: 09 Oct 1998 16:40:46 -0400 >>> ...samplers and synths (and sampling synths!) are the most important instruments of all time (to me). Sequencers are up there too. Because if all we had were samplers, we'd end up recycling the same tired samples over and over again. <<< But what about those who chop up samples to the degree that you can't recognize them anymore? Look at a genius like DJ Premier, easily one of the best producers in hip-hop today. And what about Photek, who makes his records from literally hundreds of samples? Peace. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Armin.Poecker@t-online.de (Armin Poecker) Subject: (kw) Mini Calculateur Date: 09 Oct 1998 18:34:19 +0200 > From: ">> a b z u g <<" > Subject: (kw) mini calculateur > > anyway, who can tell me if the french edition of 'computer world' has ever > been issued on cd? i'm seeking a digital recording of 'mini calculateur' as > after 17 years my cassette has become a little worn... There's no official CD issue of Mini Calculateur. A reasonably good recording can be found on the 'Werke' bootleg CD. Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Neonlights by OMD Date: 09 Oct 1998 17:57:05 EDT In a message dated 98-10-09 10:31:47 EDT, karasu@bcpl.net writes: << Has anyone heard the cover of Neonlights by OMD? I was just wondering if it's at all worth seeking out. I mean, obviously the Kraftwerk original is much better, but, well, I was just curious. >> I think it is excellent!! That whole OMD cd is brilliant. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drew dibble Subject: Re: (kw) New tracks Date: 09 Oct 1998 17:32:43 -0500 Fredrik Skeppholm wrote: > > What new tracks did KW play at their performance at Roskilde? from what i've heard on the bootleg, the song 'luton hoo' (not sure if that's the correct name, but that's the caption of the avi available at www.kraftwerk.com) http://www.kraftwerk.com/video.html -drew ---- drew dibble 'we have always been a virtual reality' -ralf hutter, kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ">> a b z u g <<" Subject: (kw) mini calculateur Date: 08 Oct 1998 20:24:41 +0100 hi all, work has kept me away from the list (and my pc in general) over the last couple of months so now i only dip in occasionaly. still no new album? well there's a surprise! anyway, who can tell me if the french edition of 'computer world' has ever been issued on cd? i'm seeking a digital recording of 'mini calculateur' as after 17 years my cassette has become a little worn... dampfabzug # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenneth Wang Subject: (kw) Detroit '98 Date: 09 Oct 1998 18:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Hi, all. I was listening to the Detroit concert and wondering what the audience is chanting right before "Tribal" starts. Anyone know for sure? It sounded like some were chanting "Kraftwerk" and others "Pink Floyd", but that's probably just my ears being used to The Wall. Ken. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: (kw) KW Sample Date: 09 Oct 1998 19:46:48 -0600 New Order-"Blue Monday"-At the beginning you hear "Kraftwerk" at a higher pitch. Taken from...... Kraftwerk-"Uranium" Track 10 @ 00:10, I call it the space choir. Does anyone else barely hear the clavinet/harpsichord classical melody? (@ 00:20.-00:25 ) This melody is used with telephones, watches, answering machines. Fur Elise? Kraftwerk ahead of their time. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: datafreq Subject: Re: (kw) Detroit '98 Date: 09 Oct 1998 22:01:32 -0400 At 06:02 PM 09/10/98 -0700, Kenneth Wang wrote: > >Hi, all. I was listening to the Detroit concert and >wondering what the audience is chanting right before >"Tribal" starts. Anyone know for sure? It sounded >like some were chanting "Kraftwerk" and others "Pink >Floyd", but that's probably just my ears being used >to The Wall. > >Ken. we were all shouting: "boing, ping, boom, tschak, ping" dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud" Subject: RE: (kw) Best KW's song Date: 10 Oct 1998 04:51:57 +0100 (CET) On Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:54:50 -0400 (EDT), John B. Morgan wrote: > >On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Der Automat wrote: > >> On a related note. Why we do not vote the worst KW's song? ok, so, for me it's certainly Sex Objects... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud" Subject: Re: (kw) Off topic.... Date: 10 Oct 1998 05:13:05 +0100 (CET) On Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:43:01 EDT, Ultravox5@aol.com wrote: > >Am going to Paris, France this week....can anyone tell me what the best record >stores are that I should check out?? Well... The Virgin megastore & the FNAC, both on Champs-élysées (with T.E.E.) Note however that CD's are expensive in France. Have a good stay in Paris. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud" Subject: Re: (kw) Techno Pop? Date: 10 Oct 1998 05:39:46 +0100 (CET) On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:19:37 +0100, mark reed wrote: > >Avtually, I suspect the reason there are so many rumours why it was >pulled is because no one wants to admit Kraftwerk are actually very >lazy. Yes, I agree with you. That's also probably the reason we are waiting for the New album for years ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud" Subject: Re: (kw) Mini Calculateur Date: 10 Oct 1998 05:50:30 +0100 (CET) On Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:34:19 +0200, Armin Poecker wrote: >> anyway, who can tell me if the french edition of 'computer world' has ever >> been issued on cd? i'm seeking a digital recording of 'mini calculateur' as >> after 17 years my cassette has become a little worn... As far as I know, this is not the case. Every copy of Computerworld I've seen here in France are not french pressing. The album was, however, rereleased on tape in 1988 but it's not more available. However, I suspect t'Mini calculateur' is available on some bootlegs. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Sampled Band Date: 09 Oct 1998 20:10:33 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Adam Schefflan wrote: > >>> ...samplers and synths (and sampling synths!) are > the most important instruments of all time (to me). Sequencers are up > there too. Because if all we had were samplers, we'd end up recycling the > same tired samples over and over again. <<< > > But what about those who chop up samples to the degree that you can't > recognize them anymore? Look at a genius like DJ Premier, easily one of > the best producers in hip-hop today. And what about Photek, who makes his > records from literally hundreds of samples? Peace. Haven't heard either, but I agree that re"mix"ing the samples does help. I'm not slamming artists who use old samples without modifying them - I'm just saying it would be boring if everyone did it. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Liethen Subject: Re: (kw) Detroit '98 Date: 10 Oct 1998 01:47:32 -0500 (CDT) I think the crowd was chanting "Boing Boom Tschak Ping!" like in Music Non Stop. >Hi, all. I was listening to the Detroit concert and >wondering what the audience is chanting right before >"Tribal" starts. Anyone know for sure? It sounded >like some were chanting "Kraftwerk" and others "Pink >Floyd", but that's probably just my ears being used >to The Wall. ___________________________________________ Peter Liethen --- pliethen@execpc.com PeteNet Studio --- petenet.dragonfire.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Morgan" Subject: (kw) MARC ET claude Date: 10 Oct 1998 16:24:11 +0100 well just managed to pick up a copy of "A Tribute to Kraftwerk" by Marc et Claude It is fabulous... sort of computerworld on steroids... I hate to say it but i think it is better than Kraftwerk. I really recommend it. There were only two copies at Tower records in Piccadilly and i bought one of them... anyone else heard it ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Captain Punctuation Subject: Re: (kw) Worst songs Date: 10 Oct 1998 10:22:16 -0000 Anything by Alanis comes to mind... As far as Kraftwerk bombs.. no question Sex Object and Computer Love are my choices. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr. Cairo" Subject: Re: (kw) Worst songs Date: 10 Oct 1998 10:54:32 -0500 >As far as Kraftwerk bombs.. no question Sex Object and Computer Love are >my choices. Although I disagree with Computerlove, I have to say that Sex Object is the only Kraftwerk track that misses the mark completely (and laughably) and doesn't achieve what it was obviously intended to. Patrick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: (kw) Worst Song Date: 10 Oct 1998 18:15:58 +0200 Hi all, in my personal opinion the worst KW song is Autobahn on "The Mix". The song could be wonderful, but that Jodel at the ending....AAARRRGGHHHH!!!!!! Didi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Corchado Subject: (kw) Poll Date: 10 Oct 1998 11:12:29 +0000 (GMT) Recently a lot of messages in this list have been devoted to list your favourite songs and albums. I would like to carry out a poll in order to know which song and album are the best Kraftwerk works, according to the list members. I created two e-mail accounts on my linux box: they are: song@t232b.chem.umn.edu and album@t232b.chem.umn.edu I guess you guessed that the first one is to vote for the best song and the second one to vote for the best album. I made up a couple of rules to make easier for me to count the votes and avoid problems with the server (which is my poor and old linux box). 1. The name of the song/album will be in the "subject" line. This is the only thing you will write there. For example, if you want to vote "The robots" you will have to send an email to song@t232b.chem.umn.edu with the subject line "the robots"; that's it. Don't put anything on the body of the message; that would help me not to overload the inbox file. 2. You can only vote one song/album per email, but you can send as much emails as you want. Be honest; i.e., if you really LOVE "Electric Cafe" don't sent one hundred emails voting to "EC", so that it will win the poll. As I said, the email server is an old Mac running Linux, and I am the closest thing to a "system manager". That means that the computer crashes every now and then. If you experience some problems, let me know it at corchado@comp.chem.umn.edu For those concerned with security issues, spam email and stuff, I won't use any information I get. Even if I get an email from hutter@klingklang.de, nobody will know it, just me, and I won't use that address. At this moment now I plan to keep the accounts up to Oct. 18 (next sunday), but it will depend on the flux of incoming mail, suggestions, and so on. I will post the results to the list as soon as I can process them. I would like you to suggest the way I should count the votes. For example; should I consider the german and english versions of an album/song as the same or different albums/songs? What about remixes? I am specially thinking of the versions in "The Mix". If someone votes for "Radioactivity, The Mix version" should I count it as a vote to "Radioactivity"? Thanks for your cooperation, and start sending your votes. Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Laocoön" Subject: Re: (kw) Worst Song????? Date: 10 Oct 1998 09:38:36 -0700 ????? I think most respondents have missed it here.... There is no worst Kraftwerk song. I like them all .. obviously some more than others. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Vidar Bergan Subject: (kw) Concert Classics Date: 09 Oct 1998 18:55:58 +-100 I'm new to this list and I'm sure you discussed this subject this summer. But have you established WHERE and WHEN the Concert Classics album was recorded? And the track Ranch Life Records call "Morgenspaziergang Part 2" must sureley be "Tanzmusik"? Are there more errors on the cover? Jon Vidar Bergan, Norway # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@technologist.com (Jules Seifert) Subject: (kw) Best song, worst song, who gives a flying f**k?? Date: 10 Oct 1998 18:04:29 GMT C'mon folks, there must be more to this list than this, cripes, has the intelligence pured out of kraftwerk fans or are we mutated into the worst= 'best song worst song' nightmare scenario list? BTW, I think the best song is 'Semen Lights' The worst song is: 'Computer Fluff' ;-P Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Captain Punctuation Subject: Re: (kw) Worst songs Date: 10 Oct 1998 15:14:44 -0000 Alanis, as in Alanis Morisette. *chills, stomach wrenching* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Captain Punctuation Subject: (kw) Ultra Rare Trax Date: 10 Oct 1998 15:21:24 -0000 Just picked up the Ultra Rare Trax remix CD here in Chicago. It's pretty damn good. I've never seen it before and being it was made in the UK, carried a hefty $30 price tag. But the remixes are all fantastic. Here's the playlist in case anyone's interested: Computer World (Klick Mix) Pocket Calc. (East Meets West Mix) Music Non Stop (Cut Up Mix) TEE (T.E.E. Mix) Robots (Program Mix) Autobahn (Peoples Car Mix) Eurpoe Endless (Open Borders Mix) Man Machine (Space Mix) Model (Catbonic Mix) Neon Lights (Ton-Up Mix) Showroom Dummies (M.C.M.G. Mix) Anyone else have? If so, whatcha think? Laters # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timon Marmex Trzepacz Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Consoles: What's inside? Date: 10 Oct 1998 19:37:21 -0700 Hi everyone! When I saw Kraftwerk play in San Francisco earlier this year, I couldn't help but wonder exactly what they are doing behind all of those consoles. The show didn't seem to be completely sequenced... it did seem like they were doing something, but it generally didn't seem to resemble the actions normally associated with playing a musical instrument. Now, Ralf (who was on the left side of the stage) did seem to have an actual musical keyboard in his console, although it didn't always seem as if he was playing it. He also seemed to have at least one expression pedal for it. Also, I think the new fellow next to him (Henning Schmitz) had a keyboard as well. I gather Ralf was responsible for melody parts and the fellow next to him with bass parts? I'm not so sure. Moving to the right, the third player (Fritz Hilpert) seemed to be very busy, with a large aresnal of foot pedals which were in constant use. I am guessing that he was working with some sort of live sequencer, perhaps something like the Regelwerk or Schaltwerk from Doepfer? ( http://www.doepfer.de/rw_e.htm and http://www.doepfer.de/sw_e.htm respectively.) Anyway, he really seemed to be working! (werking?) And at the end was Florian... who seemed to be doing next to nothing! He barely ever moved, and mostly seemed to be reading from a small 3-ring binder on top of his console. The only things I could come up with that he might be doing were mixing the audio or controlling the light/video show. He seemed to be very bored. Based on what I have seen and read (concert notes from http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html were very enlightening...), I am guessing that Kraftwerk's performance system is based at least partly on live triggering (or live editing of sequences) of pre-sequenced musical phrases, which control changes and system clocks sent via MIDI, which is synchronized to a SMPTE output from the video show. Expression, reverb and other continuous parameters are changed via foot pedals, whose functionality varies from song to song. There are probably also mixers in the consoles which allow fine tuning of the output of each sound module. The consoles in the front are merely "control consoles"... the gear which makes the sound all resides in the consoles in the back... Now, that all sounds very good, but it's all just my theories. Also, I am still not sure who is doing what during the performance. Does anybody else have any ideas (corrections)? Take care. -- Timon -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Poll Date: 10 Oct 1998 23:40:56 -0600 (MDT) On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Jose Corchado wrote: > 2. You can only vote one song/album per email, but you can send as much > emails as you want. Be honest; i.e., if you really LOVE "Electric Cafe" > don't sent one hundred emails voting to "EC", so that it will win the > poll. You really should work out a way to avoid people skewing the survey. Why not save the sender and subject to a list and sort it so as to see duplicates more easily? > I would like you to suggest the way I should count the votes. For example; > should I consider the german and english versions of an album/song as the > same or different albums/songs? What about remixes? I am specially > thinking of the versions in "The Mix". If someone votes for > "Radioactivity, The Mix version" should I count it as a vote to > "Radioactivity"? Why not count them individually AND combined? For example, annotate the ranked list like this: The Robots, all versions: ___ votes The Robots, CW version: ___ votes The Robots, Mix version: ___ votes Where the first one would be the sum of all votes for all versions of the song. Just a thought. Neat idea, by the way. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Best song, worst song, who gives a flying f**k?? Date: 10 Oct 1998 23:45:24 -0600 (MDT) On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Jules Seifert wrote: > C'mon folks, there must be more to this list than this, cripes, has the > intelligence pured out of kraftwerk fans or are we mutated into the worst 'best > song worst song' nightmare scenario list? Where've you been, Jules? There's been lots of newcomer and other requests for information for you to pounce on and direct to the FAQ and archives. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@technologist.com (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Best song, worst song, who gives a flying f**k?? Date: 11 Oct 1998 11:29:58 GMT Ra wrote: > >Where've you been, Jules? There's been lots of newcomer and other=20 >requests for information for you to pounce on and direct to the FAQ and=20 >archives. :) I was, or still am, in Bangkok, Thailand, but soon off to misty Hong-Kong= for a little holiday.=20 Hey, every list has to have it's police force dunnit? ;-P Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: (kw) Munich Machine Date: 11 Oct 1998 09:16:34 -0600 Der Automat writes: > Does anyone of you know some data about any of the following records > influenced by KW? c) "Munich Machine" by DJ Hell, that contains sounds and rhythm-patterns = =E0 > la KRAFTWERK. Wasn't "Munich Machine" a group that put out electronic disco sounds in 1976-77? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. D." Subject: (kw) ROBOTRONIK/ÜBERMENSCH *CD* Date: 11 Oct 1998 11:03:09 -0700 (PDT) I have seen this 1997 "exclusive remixes" CD in a local record shop and I want to know if it's worth the 35 Canadian dollars they ask for it. Does anybody owns this CD? Are the "remixes" interesting? How is the sound quality? Please, if you know this CD, let me know if it's worth having in my KW collection. Many thanks. == Roger. rd411@yahoo.com Regor@webtv.net _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kraft-Werk@webtv.net Subject: RE: (kw) Best KW's song Date: 09 Oct 1998 22:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Definately : RuckZuck . . . . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dead Reaper" Subject: Re: (kw) Worst Song????? Date: 10 Oct 1998 12:35:57 PDT >????? >I think most respondents have missed it here.... > >There is no worst Kraftwerk song. I like them all .. obviously some >more than others. Then surely you like some less than others too...? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nextcube@ix.netcom.com Subject: (kw) Four early Kraftwerk CDs for Auction on Ebay - ending soon! Date: 11 Oct 1998 13:47:51 -0500 Hi. Yes, I am a long time reader and lurker here on the Kraftwerk List. I have a few Kraftwerk CDs being Auctioned on Ebay, please have a look. Although I usually do not ship out of the United States, I will ship to any winning bidder that reads this mailing list if they tell me that after they win. I will need to adjust the shipping charges, which will be the exact cost of shipping (but you take all risk and customs issues yourself, I will ship them as a GIFT). Ok? Have fun bidding.... the auctions end very soon! Gary Lalim nextcube@ix.netcom.com 34397655: KRAFTWERK: Ralf and Florian, CD Auction ends on: 10/13/98 20:37:00 PDT http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=34397655 34398106: KRAFTWERK - 2, CD Auction ends on: 10/13/98 20:38:51 PDT http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=34398106 34705116: KRAFTWERK: Organisation: Tone Float, CD Auction ends on: 10/15/98 17:13:09 PDT http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=34705116 34705557: KRAFTWERK 1, CD Auction ends on: 10/15/98 17:15:32 PDT http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=34705557 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Consoles: What's inside? Date: 11 Oct 1998 18:04:46 +0500 On 11-Oct-98, Timon Marmex Trzepacz wrote: >consoles. The show didn't seem to be completely sequenced... it did seem >like they were doing something, but it generally didn't seem to resemble >the actions normally associated with playing a musical instrument. That was my impression (at least in NYC). They were doing _something_, but what? >Moving to the right, the third player (Fritz Hilpert) seemed to be very >busy, with a large aresnal of foot pedals which were in constant use. He seemed very busy throughout the show. He and Florian goofed around the most during "Pocket Calculator". In any case, he seemed more active than everyone else... >And at the end was Florian... who seemed to be doing next to nothing! He >barely ever moved, and mostly seemed to be reading from a small 3-ring >binder on top of his console. His console seemed to have a small video monitor built into it (at least there was a big bulge sticking out that he kept looking at :-)), so maybe he was handling the video mix. >Based on what I have seen and read (concert notes from >http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html were very >enlightening...), I am guessing that Kraftwerk's performance system is >based at least partly on live triggering (or live editing of sequences) >of pre-sequenced musical phrases, which control changes and system >clocks sent via MIDI, which is synchronized to a SMPTE output from the >video show. Expression, reverb and other continuous parameters are >changed via foot pedals, whose functionality varies from song to song. >There are probably also mixers in the consoles which allow fine tuning >of the output of each sound module. The consoles in the front are merely >"control consoles"... the gear which makes the sound all resides in the >consoles in the back... That's the impression I had as well. Certain parts of the live shows are preprogrammed, but the members of KW have control over the equipment and can alter or override what Klingklang wants to do. Sometimes they play, sometimes Klingklang plays, sometimes IT plays... :-) -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in Buenos Aires Date: 11 Oct 1998 20:12:46 -0300 This is to the fans from Argentina: Caros amigos, Eu mantenho a pagina Kraftwerk 1998 Tour Reports http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/ Aqui no Brasil estamos muito excitados esperando os dois shows. Eu gostaria de dizer a voc=EAs que ficaria muito grato se depois do show de Buenos Aires voc=EAs me mandassem um mail com as impressoes do show do Kraftwerk, para adicionar no meu site. =C9 muito importante contar com a opini=E3o de voc=EAs para que todos possam saber como foi o show. Podem mandar suas opini=F5es (em espanhol, ingles ou ambos), outras informa=E7=F5= es como quais foram as m=FAsicas tocadas, ou outros materiais como fotos, po= r exemplo. Gracias Nicolau Centola # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Laocoön" Subject: Re: (kw) Worst Song????? Date: 11 Oct 1998 15:44:44 -0700 Dead Reaper wrote: > >????? > >I think most respondents have missed it here.... > > > >There is no worst Kraftwerk song. I like them all .. obviously some > >more than others. > > Then surely you like some less than others too...? > Well yes but the word WORST carries a negative connotation that I do not associate wih any Kraftwerk song... really! by definition: worst - adjective Superlative of bad, 1. Most inferior, as in quality, condition, or effect. 2. Most severe or unfavorable. 3. Being furthest from an ideal or a standard; least desirable or satisfactory. Regards, # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: (kw) Best/worst Date: 11 Oct 1998 18:55:48 +0500 My personal favorites and least-favorites usually have to do with the context of the album they appear on (except for Tour De France): Kraftwerk: Ruckzuck Kraftwerk 2: Klingklang Ralf And Florian: Ananas Symphonie Autobahn: Autobahn Radio-Activity: (No favorite! The songs tend to introduce one another or overlap.) Trans-Europe Express: T. E. E. The Man-Machine: The Robots Computer-World: (either Numbers or Pocket Calculator) Tour De France (EP): Surfin' Bird (just kidding-- I like the 45 mix) Electric Cafe: (either Boing Boom Tschak or The Telephone Call) The Mix: Radio-Activity Those are my favorites. I don't have any least-favorites, but I do think that the English lyrics for "The Model" and "Sex Object" are a bit awkward and embarrassing. I don't think any English-speaking band would have written the lyrics that way, and I wish that KW could have kept the English lyrics to "The Model" closer to the original German. Maybe that wasn't possible... :-( -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric.Schader@gambro.com Subject: RE: (kw) "Zehn kleine Negerlein" Date: 12 Oct 1998 08:07:29 +0200 > > > However, at number 8 of the same bootleg, there is a track called > "Zehn > > > Kleine Negerlein"; by the rustle in background it's possible to > > understand > > > this has been mastered by a vynil. > > > What is the meaning of the title? > > > "Ten little Negros". > > I think the title is "One Hundred Little Negros". > And here I was thinking that it was all about Zen meditation ;-) /Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Piscart Subject: Re: (kw) Munich Machine Date: 12 Oct 1998 12:02:35 +0100 Hello, >Der Automat writes: >> Does anyone of you know some data about any of the following records >> influenced by KW? >c) "Munich Machine" by DJ Hell, that contains sounds and rhythm-patterns = =E0 >> la KRAFTWERK. > >Wasn't "Munich Machine" a group that put out electronic disco sounds in >1976-77? The inspiration of DJ Hell comes from Giorgio Moroder and Pete Bellote. In fact, Munich Machine was the name of one the group they formed in the middle of the seventies. Check this site for more info on that group:=20 http://www.i-breeze.com/ato/eg/munich.html You can find - more or less - in 'for your love'(maybe in others) from DJ= hell, the fading that Moroder put in his compositions (check out the 'i feel love'= =20 from donna Summer). The DJ Hell site is http://dj-hell.kmm.de/ Germans readers only. Downloads available. Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) KLEMblad Date: 09 Oct 1998 18:25:35 +0200 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > Issue 97 of the Dutch fanzine KLEMblad features a number of > Kraftwerk-related topics: > 1) Brief reviews of Kraftwerk-related Internet sites (partly > outdated), > 2) Review of Kraftwerk's Roskilde apperance, > 3) Review of the "Concert Classics" album, > 4) A number of reviews of recent releases from Klaus Dinger and > Michael Rother. Has KLEM a net-adress? DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Electric Music New Single Date: 12 Oct 1998 13:03:15 +0200 "Sunshine" is the new (second) single release from the album "Electric Music" by Karl Bartos. According to Aktivität Update sheet Japanese release of the album is scheduled for September, which is said to contain an additional bonus track. Has been published this release yet? Bartos may peform live later this year as Electric Music and incorporate some Kraftwerk material in the live set too. To see it will be to believe it. Will he play the KW tracks with guitars? BTW. Does anybody know if "Tour de France 98" by Karl Bartos were used by the organization of the Tour de France 98 as a televising syntony? DER AUTOMAT ® Endodermic microezime for your second skin. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Sonar Barcelona concert review Date: 10 Oct 1998 11:46:50 +0200 Apologies if this has already post here. You can find a Kraftwerk's concert review at Sónar 98 in http://www.bitniks.es/bn/revista9/tekno.html. The article is written in Spanish. A free translation service can be found in http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate DER AUTOMAT ® Endodermic microezime for your second skin. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Techno Pop? Date: 10 Oct 1998 12:28:56 +0200 Klaus Zaepke wrote: >> From: Der Automat >> >> Another "official" theory says that this was for the change of the >> equipment from analogical to digitalis. >What makes this theory "official"? The Ralf Huetter's statements in a magazine, I do not remember the name of it now. >> "The First DJ Edition" CD contains Music Non Stop >No, it doesn't. >> and "Rebuilt In 92 (part II)" (Düsseldorf, Germany, live & demo >> versions) contains Sex Object. Apologies for the mistake. "The First DJ Edition" and "The Elite Recordings" contain Sex Object (demo mix). And "Rebuilt In 92 (part II)" contains Techno Pop (demo edit 1983). >Similarily, the version of "Techno Pop" on this bootleg CD is just an >unfinished demo version, and not a track from an imaginary "Techno Pop" >album. What is the difference? DER AUTOMAT ® Endodermic microezime for your second skin. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Stockhausen Date: 09 Oct 1998 18:18:04 +0200 > Last Sunday there was an article in the NY times about Stockhausen and > Pierre Boulez. The author mentioned that there are no recordings of > Stockhausen available in CD format and maybe not even on Vinyl. Is > this correct? If not, anyone steer me in the right direction? Do you know if this article has a URL? TIA. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk mit Gitarre Date: 12 Oct 1998 07:10:06 EDT I hope Bartos does perorm KW... with guitars. Nothing wrong with a bit of a git-fiddle now and then ! BTW: is it me or can I hear an electric bass guitar in the last section of the original Autobahn recording ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PITT Mike Subject: (kw) Reminder to VH1 UK viewers Date: 11 Oct 1998 20:46:00 +0100 Hi, In case anyone's memory requires jogging, on the 14th October OMD will be picking their ten favourite tracks of all time. Expect at least one KW vid in their selection and hope it's not 'The Model' for the millionth time ;) That's 'Ten of the Best - OMD' VH1 uk 14th October afternoon. Mike. Kraftwerk Live 1981 and Cover Versions. http://website.lineone.net/~mike.pitt/tdk.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: (kw) searching KW lyrics Date: 13 Oct 1998 00:02:11 +0200 Hi ! Anyone know if is there any URL (WWW page) with KW lyrics ? Thanks :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leonid Gitlin Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Consoles: What's inside? Date: 11 Oct 1998 18:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Florian... who seemed to be doing next to nothing! He >barely ever moved, and mostly seemed to be reading from a small 3-ring >binder i think that Florian was controlling the Vocoder/Computer volcals/samples with his console. i saw them in Detroit this year and i was right in front of Florian, and his movement (or lack thereof) seemed to corespond with non-human speech. as for the rest of them: Fritz Hilpert) seemed to be very >busy, with a large aresnal of foot pedals which were in constant use. I >am guessing that he was working with some sort of live sequencer, >perhaps something like the Regelwerk or Schaltwerk from Doepfer? ( >http://www.doepfer.de/rw_e.htm and http://www.doepfer.de/sw_e.htm Fritz was controlling the percussion and the effects that went with it (envelope generator, reverb, phase, flange, etc), Now, Ralf (who was on the left side of the stage) did seem to have an >actual musical keyboard in his console Also, I think the new fellow next to him (Henning Schmitz) >had a keyboard as well Henning and Ralf seemed to cover the bass, accompaniment, solo's. i think that all but Fritz had some kind of a reincarnation of a conventional keyboard in their console. i was at the concert with a friend who has been working in rocording studios for more than five years and he pointed out to me that the racks in the rear were stacked with Akai sampler modules with the word "Akai" removed from the face of the device. i bet that is where most of the concert was stored at. however, i still think that most of the songs were played live and not sequenced. these are my theories as well. thank you lenny g Leonid Gitlin 6007 Blossman Rd. Toledo, OH 43617-1003 (419)841-3360 (home) (419)841-1627 (fax) lgitlin@pop3.utoledo.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47@radiolink.net Subject: Re: (kw) Techno Pop? Date: 11 Oct 1998 22:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Avtually, I suspect the reason there are so many rumours why it was >>pulled is because no one wants to admit Kraftwerk are actually very >>lazy. > >Yes, I agree with you. >That's also probably the reason we are waiting for the New album for years ! wasn't there some kind of legal limbo as to the (copyright?) rights of the material on Techno Pop? lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peder Livijn" Subject: (kw) Re; KW COnsoles, what´s inside Date: 12 Oct 1998 02:10:34 PDT Since i haven´t seen them since `91, im not sure, but what i do know is that Ralf, used to have a PPG Wave 2.3 in his console (i saw it myself), regarding the sequencers i doubt that they´re ordinary Doepfers, maybe they´re based on a Schaltwerk or something, but i doubt that they´re in their original apperance, as you might know KW earlier worked together with Doepfer on the Maq 16/3, so i wouldn´t be at all surprised if they have some specially built Doepfer-machine on stage. Reasonman ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ">> a b z u g <<" Subject: Re: (kw) Mini Calculateur Date: 12 Oct 1998 19:07:50 +0100 >> anyway, who can tell me if the french edition of 'computer world' has >> ever been issued on cd? i'm seeking a digital recording of 'mini >> calculateur' as after 17 years my cassette has become a little worn... > >There's no official CD issue of Mini Calculateur. A reasonably good >recording can be found on the 'Werke' bootleg CD. Thanks Gunther! I'll keep an eye out for that boot. Someone else mentioned the French version of 'Computer World' was reissued on cassette in 1988, or did i misunderstand and this cassette is just a reissue of the regular english language version. anyone have any info on the value / availibility of this cassette? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ">> a b z u g <<" Subject: Re: (kw) KW Sample Date: 12 Oct 1998 19:08:38 +0100 > Does anyone else barely hear the clavinet/harpsichord classical melody? (@ > 00:20.-00:25 ) This melody is used with telephones, watches, answering > machines. Fur Elise? 'Fur Ilse Koch' more like. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ">> a b z u g <<" Subject: Re: (kw) Best KW's song Date: 12 Oct 1998 19:05:11 +0100 i cannot belive this list has sunk to the level of 'my favourite kraftwerk song, my worst kraftwerk song'. even more inane is the 'my best (not even kraftwerk) song of all time' thread. honestly, who cares! come back jbv, all is forgiven... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Astrolude@aol.com Subject: (kw) New Kraftwerk MP3 For You!!!!!!! Date: 13 Oct 1998 00:51:16 EDT Get them here at my homepage theres about 6. Some Live, und Some im Deutsch. http://welcome.to/sinphony

 

Click Here!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "d. c A r t o" Subject: (kw) News of Stockhausen's CDeath have been greatly exaggerated Date: 13 Oct 1998 00:16:43 -0700 Stockhausen recordings are available from the composer. There are even real audio clips you can listen to. http://www.stockhausen.org/stockhausen_verlag.html And here is the catalog. http://www.stockhausen.org/cd_catalog.html I ordered the 'Unsichtbare Choere' through them, it's excellent. Michael Dangermond # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Osvaldo Dalzotto Subject: (kw) Concert in Buenos Aires, Argentina Date: 13 Oct 1998 09:10:35 -0300 Dear KW fans, Yesterday, We enjoyed the KW concert in Buenos Aires together with Claudio (Argentina), Mauricio (Chile), Eduardo (Brazil) and many others. The show was wonderful although, according to Eduardo the songs were not so long as from other concerts. There was the 1:50 Hour show. Mauricio Gonzalez from Chile and Eduardo from Brazil took photos and they will be uploading them into their KW pages. They will be writing to the mailing list as soon as they come back to their corresponding countries. Cheers, Osvaldo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adrian Waterfield" Subject: (kw) Does anyone know... Date: 13 Oct 1998 13:55:01 +0100 Dear All I have a query about a KW album that I have. Quite some years back I bought the 1st kw album. It's a double vinyl album called just 'Kraftwerk'. The thing is that the second record in the album has, as it's centre label a Status Quo label although the album itself is most definitley Kraftwerk. It is difficult to see whether there is a KW label underneath. I was wondering whether this is a one off glitch or whether they were all pressed with this mistake. I'm pretty sure it isn't some dodgy bootleg or anything. curious PS. did anyone else catch the Depeche Mode concert this month at the NEC...Excellent Cheers Ade # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Concert Classics Date: 13 Oct 1998 12:31:47 +0200 Jon Vidar Bergan wrote: > I'm new to this list and I'm sure you discussed this subject this summer. > But have you established WHERE and WHEN the Concert Classics album was > recorded? The recording originates from a concert in Dallas, 1975, according to a recent Japanese press release. > And the track Ranch Life Records call "Morgenspaziergang Part 2" must > sureley be "Tanzmusik"? You are right. The correct track listing is in fact thus: "Kometenmelodie" 1 and 2 (11.49), "Autobahn" (21.54), "Kling Klang" (10.10) and "Tanz Musik" (4.16). > Are there more errors on the cover? Yes. The unmistakable sound of vibes reveals the presence of Karl Bartos (the sleeve packaging wrongly states Klaus Roeder on guitar and violin). DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MWebb17743@aol.com Subject: (kw) Japnaese lp's Date: 13 Oct 1998 10:28:44 EDT Does anybody know if the Japanese pressings of Kraftwerk,Kraftwerk2 and Ralf and Florian LPs come with obi strips? The article in Aktivitat suggests that at least one of these does not. NEIL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) "Zehn kleine Negerlein" Date: 09 Oct 1998 11:44:13 EDT Zehn kleine Negerlein is a somewhat non-politically correct and outdated counting song... the equivalent of which (in the UK) is "Ten Green Bottles". ten green bottles standing on the wall (repeat) and if one green bottle should accidentally fall... there'll be nine green bottles standing on the wall Basically, each verse is sung with one less bottle... or indeed little black person... until, well..., there are none left. I'll leave it to you to ruminate on the connotations that might have. :-) K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) "Zehn kleine Negerlein" Date: 09 Oct 1998 11:44:13 EDT Zehn kleine Negerlein is a somewhat non-politically correct and outdated counting song... the equivalent of which (in the UK) is "Ten Green Bottles". ten green bottles standing on the wall (repeat) and if one green bottle should accidentally fall... there'll be nine green bottles standing on the wall Basically, each verse is sung with one less bottle... or indeed little black person... until, well..., there are none left. I'll leave it to you to ruminate on the connotations that might have. :-) K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: (kw) Worst songs Date: 09 Oct 1998 12:41:57 -0400 There's been a lot of talk here lately about other electronic and quasi-electronic groups...this guy is lousy, that one STOLE from KW, etc... That inspires me to ask a question of everyone who would care to answer: What is your absolutely least favo(u)rite song ever produced by any artist. I'll start the ball rolling. My least favorite (I can't even stand to listen to it all the way through) is an instrumental called "Free Form Guitar" by the enormously popular group Chicago - It was a guitar solo by the late Terry Kath. Anyone who wants me to elaborate, ask... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: (kw) Worst songs Date: 09 Oct 1998 12:41:57 -0400 There's been a lot of talk here lately about other electronic and quasi-electronic groups...this guy is lousy, that one STOLE from KW, etc... That inspires me to ask a question of everyone who would care to answer: What is your absolutely least favo(u)rite song ever produced by any artist. I'll start the ball rolling. My least favorite (I can't even stand to listen to it all the way through) is an instrumental called "Free Form Guitar" by the enormously popular group Chicago - It was a guitar solo by the late Terry Kath. Anyone who wants me to elaborate, ask... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: RE: (kw) "Zehn kleine Negerlein" Date: 09 Oct 1998 17:49:43 +0200 (DFT) > > > What is the meaning of the title? > > > "Ten little Negros". > > I think the title is "One Hundred Little Negros". Please check a dictionary, and you should note that "zehn" translates to "ten". > Of doubtful taste is the inclusion of a version of the infantile song You probably meant "children's song"? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: RE: (kw) "Zehn kleine Negerlein" Date: 09 Oct 1998 17:49:43 +0200 (DFT) > > > What is the meaning of the title? > > > "Ten little Negros". > > I think the title is "One Hundred Little Negros". Please check a dictionary, and you should note that "zehn" translates to "ten". > Of doubtful taste is the inclusion of a version of the infantile song You probably meant "children's song"? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: RE: (kw) "Zehn kleine Negerlein" Date: 09 Oct 1998 17:49:43 +0200 (DFT) > > > What is the meaning of the title? > > > "Ten little Negros". > > I think the title is "One Hundred Little Negros". Please check a dictionary, and you should note that "zehn" translates to "ten". > Of doubtful taste is the inclusion of a version of the infantile song You probably meant "children's song"? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Yamo Aktivity Date: 09 Oct 1998 16:26:40 +0100 "serenity supreme" will be the title of the 2nd yamo album. chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Yamo Aktivity Date: 09 Oct 1998 16:26:40 +0100 "serenity supreme" will be the title of the 2nd yamo album. chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: RE: (kw) Sampled Band Date: 09 Oct 1998 12:11:13 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Der Automat wrote: > Ra wrote: > > To me, it is a direct relationship. A piece of music is made good or not > > by the choice of instruments/samples. Sometimes a tune is written around > > the samples. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. > > Countless things with a sampler, not only can be done tunes. Sampler is the > most important musical advance of this century. Listen to the works of > Coldcut and Art of Noise, for example. I'd qualify that by saying samplers and synths (and sampling synths!) are the most important instruments of all time (to me). Sequencers are up there too. Because if all we had were samplers, we'd end up recycling the same tired samples over and over again. > > I consider use of someone else's samples a sort of tip-o-the-hat. > > IMHO a musician can (and he must) use the samples of another musician to > construct new (and innovating) sounds. I wouldn't say must. There are lots of other sources for samples, as you pointed out by mentioning the Art of Noise. Machines, voices, radio, TV, movies, cosmic noise, etc etc... I'm fond of songs that make liberal use of Star Trek samples, actually. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: RE: (kw) Sampled Band Date: 09 Oct 1998 12:11:13 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Der Automat wrote: > Ra wrote: > > To me, it is a direct relationship. A piece of music is made good or not > > by the choice of instruments/samples. Sometimes a tune is written around > > the samples. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. > > Countless things with a sampler, not only can be done tunes. Sampler is the > most important musical advance of this century. Listen to the works of > Coldcut and Art of Noise, for example. I'd qualify that by saying samplers and synths (and sampling synths!) are the most important instruments of all time (to me). Sequencers are up there too. Because if all we had were samplers, we'd end up recycling the same tired samples over and over again. > > I consider use of someone else's samples a sort of tip-o-the-hat. > > IMHO a musician can (and he must) use the samples of another musician to > construct new (and innovating) sounds. I wouldn't say must. There are lots of other sources for samples, as you pointed out by mentioning the Art of Noise. Machines, voices, radio, TV, movies, cosmic noise, etc etc... I'm fond of songs that make liberal use of Star Trek samples, actually. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob VonMoss Subject: Re: (kw) Worst songs Date: 13 Oct 1998 10:41:16 -0500 William Dobiesz wrote: > What is your absolutely least favo(u)rite song ever produced by any artist. How 'bout half the songs by the BeeGees and Captain & Tenniel's (sp?) "Muskrat Love." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Sampled Band Date: 09 Oct 1998 16:40:46 -0400 >>> ...samplers and synths (and sampling synths!) are the most important instruments of all time (to me). Sequencers are up there too. Because if all we had were samplers, we'd end up recycling the same tired samples over and over again. <<< But what about those who chop up samples to the degree that you can't recognize them anymore? Look at a genius like DJ Premier, easily one of the best producers in hip-hop today. And what about Photek, who makes his records from literally hundreds of samples? Peace. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Neonlights by OMD Date: 09 Oct 1998 17:57:05 EDT In a message dated 98-10-09 10:31:47 EDT, karasu@bcpl.net writes: << Has anyone heard the cover of Neonlights by OMD? I was just wondering if it's at all worth seeking out. I mean, obviously the Kraftwerk original is much better, but, well, I was just curious. >> I think it is excellent!! That whole OMD cd is brilliant. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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That whole OMD cd is brilliant. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drew dibble Subject: Re: (kw) New tracks Date: 09 Oct 1998 17:32:43 -0500 Fredrik Skeppholm wrote: > > What new tracks did KW play at their performance at Roskilde? from what i've heard on the bootleg, the song 'luton hoo' (not sure if that's the correct name, but that's the caption of the avi available at www.kraftwerk.com) http://www.kraftwerk.com/video.html -drew ---- drew dibble 'we have always been a virtual reality' -ralf hutter, kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drew dibble Subject: Re: (kw) New tracks Date: 09 Oct 1998 17:32:43 -0500 Fredrik Skeppholm wrote: > > What new tracks did KW play at their performance at Roskilde? from what i've heard on the bootleg, the song 'luton hoo' (not sure if that's the correct name, but that's the caption of the avi available at www.kraftwerk.com) http://www.kraftwerk.com/video.html -drew ---- drew dibble 'we have always been a virtual reality' -ralf hutter, kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drew dibble Subject: Re: (kw) New tracks Date: 09 Oct 1998 17:32:43 -0500 Fredrik Skeppholm wrote: > > What new tracks did KW play at their performance at Roskilde? from what i've heard on the bootleg, the song 'luton hoo' (not sure if that's the correct name, but that's the caption of the avi available at www.kraftwerk.com) http://www.kraftwerk.com/video.html -drew ---- drew dibble 'we have always been a virtual reality' -ralf hutter, kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: RE: (kw) Sampled Band Date: 09 Oct 1998 12:11:13 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Der Automat wrote: > Ra wrote: > > To me, it is a direct relationship. A piece of music is made good or not > > by the choice of instruments/samples. Sometimes a tune is written around > > the samples. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. > > Countless things with a sampler, not only can be done tunes. Sampler is the > most important musical advance of this century. Listen to the works of > Coldcut and Art of Noise, for example. I'd qualify that by saying samplers and synths (and sampling synths!) are the most important instruments of all time (to me). Sequencers are up there too. Because if all we had were samplers, we'd end up recycling the same tired samples over and over again. > > I consider use of someone else's samples a sort of tip-o-the-hat. > > IMHO a musician can (and he must) use the samples of another musician to > construct new (and innovating) sounds. I wouldn't say must. There are lots of other sources for samples, as you pointed out by mentioning the Art of Noise. Machines, voices, radio, TV, movies, cosmic noise, etc etc... I'm fond of songs that make liberal use of Star Trek samples, actually. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Sampled Band Date: 09 Oct 1998 16:40:46 -0400 >>> ...samplers and synths (and sampling synths!) are the most important instruments of all time (to me). Sequencers are up there too. Because if all we had were samplers, we'd end up recycling the same tired samples over and over again. <<< But what about those who chop up samples to the degree that you can't recognize them anymore? Look at a genius like DJ Premier, easily one of the best producers in hip-hop today. And what about Photek, who makes his records from literally hundreds of samples? Peace. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ">> a b z u g <<" Subject: (kw) mini calculateur Date: 08 Oct 1998 20:24:41 +0100 hi all, work has kept me away from the list (and my pc in general) over the last couple of months so now i only dip in occasionaly. still no new album? well there's a surprise! anyway, who can tell me if the french edition of 'computer world' has ever been issued on cd? i'm seeking a digital recording of 'mini calculateur' as after 17 years my cassette has become a little worn... dampfabzug # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) New tracks Date: 14 Oct 1998 01:19:33 +0800 > from what i've heard on the bootleg, the song 'luton hoo' (not sure if > that's the correct name, but that's the caption of the avi available at > www.kraftwerk.com) > http://www.kraftwerk.com/video.html No, 'Luton Hoo' is the name of the place where that track was first performed, in May 1997. It's in england, just north of london. England is part of the British isles, just off mainand europe, just in case you didn't know that. ;-) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ganz allein" Subject: Re: (kw) Best song, worst song, who gives a flying f**k?? Date: 13 Oct 1998 05:27:13 PDT > >Hey, every list has to have it's police force dunnit? ;-P > >Jules Yes, and I am the grammar police: you meant "its", NOT "it's" (no apostrophe please) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Stagg Subject: Re: (kw) Mini Calculateur Date: 13 Oct 1998 06:09:00 -0400 Message text written by ">> a b z u g <<" > Someone else mentioned > the French version of 'Computer World' was reissued on cassette in 1988= , or > did i misunderstand and this cassette is just a reissue of the regular > english language version. anyone have any info on the value / availibility > of this cassette?" I have that cassette...it's the English version but with "Mini Calculateu= r" substituted for "Pocket Calculator". It's a "Fame" reissue, on EMI Pathe Marconi1643704. Don't think there's a CD release though, and I don't thin= k it's particularly valuable - I bought it at a record fair for =A35. 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ">> a b z u g <<" Subject: (kw) mini calculateur Date: 08 Oct 1998 20:24:41 +0100 hi all, work has kept me away from the list (and my pc in general) over the last couple of months so now i only dip in occasionaly. still no new album? well there's a surprise! anyway, who can tell me if the french edition of 'computer world' has ever been issued on cd? i'm seeking a digital recording of 'mini calculateur' as after 17 years my cassette has become a little worn... dampfabzug # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alan Stanford" Subject: (kw) searching kw lyrics Date: 13 Oct 1998 10:50:22 PDT Hi ! Anyone know if is there any URL (WWW page) with KW lyrics ? Thanks :-) try netfinderusa.com/music/lyricssearch/index.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Japanese Lp-OBI question Date: 13 Oct 1998 22:46:46 +0200 Neil asked following question: Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:28:44 EDT From: MWebb17743@aol.com Subject: (kw) Japnaese lp's Does anybody know if the Japanese pressings of Kraftwerk,Kraftwerk2 and Ralf and Florian LPs come with obi strips? The article in Aktivitat suggests that at least one of these does not. Well Neil... I am lucky enough to have the Japanese Ralf and Florian and Computerworld.. I can report to you that they both have those great looking OBI's.. Ralf and Florian cost originally Yen 1800 and CW 2800...that's what it says here.. Best Regards PS: Are you trying to find these? Pretty sought after I suppose..my above copies I got at a record fair here in Zuerich, Switzerland a few months ago..I snapped them right up! They cost me both together USD 65. Tschuess Roland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Captain Punctuation Subject: Re: (kw) New tracks Date: 13 Oct 1998 19:20:30 -0000 From what I hear that song is called "Tribal" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: (kw) Re: K W Sample Date: 13 Oct 1998 19:53:40 -0600 > Does anyone else barely hear the clavinet/harpsichord classical melody? (@ > 00:20.-00:25 ) This melody is used with telephones, watches, answering > machines. Fur Elise? > > a b z u g > > writes.... "Fur Ilse Koch" more like. Are you sure?....... http://www.nizkor.org/features/denial-of-science/clay-koch-02.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Best song, worst song, who gives a flying f**k?? Date: 14 Oct 1998 10:13:19 +0800 Ganz allein wrote: > > > > >Hey, every list has to have it's police force dunnit? ;-P > > > >Jules > > Yes, and I am the grammar police: you meant "its", NOT "it's" (no > apostrophe please) > So, nothing wrong with the 'dunnit' then? And since when was the english language so tight? It's colloquial, dear boy........ Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: Re: (kw) New tracks Date: 14 Oct 1998 11:34:39 +0100 >From what I hear that song is called "Tribal" I Thought it was "Nummweltverschmutzung" :-) /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mdisante@sogei.it Subject: (kw) Samplers? Yes, but ... Date: 14 Oct 1998 11:45:34 +0200 Many people of this list <> the importance of samplers in the music we like. I like samplers very much, too; they can be very powerful music machines, if you use them in a creative way but ... NOTHING is more exciting than pushing buttons, moving sliders and rotating knobs of a wonderful old analogue Synthesizers !!! (and listening to the results of your work) Try it, if you don't believe it !!!! Music Non Stop .... Techno-Pop to everyone ! Marcello # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Claudio Falaschini" Subject: (kw) Buenos Aires 1998 Koncert - Argentina Date: 14 Oct 1998 09:08:27 -0300 Hi Werkers!! I'm back to my city (Mar del Plata, Argentina) after the most important musical/multimedia experiencie of my life. Kraftwerk was here in Argentina! I cant believe it yet. The perfomance was incredible..... the audio-visual explosion inside my mind.... feeling the bass drum kicking right in my chest... Wow! Thanks to Eduardo (Brasil), Mauricio (Chile) and Osvaldo (Argentina) for their friendship, i feel very comfortable with they and with the other 5 "non-list werkers" of the "Argentine Crew of Alto Palermo" :) (Bettina, Eduardo Encinas, Ricardo Ruiz and brother, Brother of Osvaldo). Ours friends took many pictures and it will be available soon, i hope (I offer xxx Mb of web space for it - mail me). A funny thing...hey guys! what happened before Radioactivity?? Wrong button?? :)) The story is that in the place of the "Radioactivity" starting synthetic voice, we heard the "ein, zwei, drei..." robotic voice of "Numbers" a few seconds :-))) The Man Machine is more man than machine, after all. LOL The Robots ..fantastic!! Was an impact to me the message of the technology and machines singing and performing for us... a subliminal message. The robots danced very well :) and the lights pointing to they make the all scene shocking and unforgetable for me... well, my friend Eduardo Avellar told me that, for him, the Florian robot was slighty out-of-sync with the others... i didnt notice it. And also my wife told me "hey! there are something wrong! The Florian Robot haves hairs and Florian haves no hairs! .. They must correct such thing! LOL" The argentine fans (3000-3500 ppl in Obras Sanitarias Stadium) were very warm and "soccer minded fans" :) , (i say that for the style of the songs we sing during the breaks and before the show .."aguante kraftwerk, loco").. too much warm for the four cold guys there in the stage.... Hey guys! a least a glimpse or a "thank you" look could be nice for us, werkers. Only Florian in "Pocket Calculator" was funny as always, driving his controller and smiling at the crow a few times. In the last piece ("Musique non stop") the guys leave the stage one-by-one (Florian 1st, and Ralf at last) without any cheer or something like a "good bye or thanks....". I hope Eduardo of Brasil will give us precise impressions also, he knows a real LOT about KW and he haves better background than me for make a precise contrast of this show. (hey Eduardo! hace calor en Brasil? Por que no te cortas el pelo?? :-))))) But he will be busy until after the 17 Oct i think. This is not a complete report of Buenos Aires, only a intro and a ACK of my back from BA. I'm trying to put in order my mind and ideas and i'll be back with a more detailed comment and/or with more spots. Saludos! Claudio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Måns Sjöstrand Subject: Re: (kw) Buenos Aires 1998 Koncert - Argentina Date: 14 Oct 1998 15:08:47 +0100 And also my wife told me "hey! there are > something wrong! The Florian Robot haves hairs and Florian haves no hairs! > .. They must correct such thing! LOL" Robots don`t ages :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Spare copies for sale or swap Date: 14 Oct 1998 15:18:08 +0200 I got a spare copy of Kraftwerk bootleg CD "Robotronik Uebermensch" 9758696884749 (£16.5 or 27.5$). This is basically repackaging of the earlier "Man Machine Recreated" remix bootleg CD but with the addition of an extra track in the form of an edit of the Spanish language version of "Sex Object" and new cover design. The cover shows a close-up of the "Computer-World" mannequin of Ralf Huetter. The tracklistin is: Metropolis (Fritz Lang Mix), The Robots (Funkitionaers Mix), The Model (K=94 Mix), Neon Lights (Shadow Mix), Spacelab (Seven Up Mix), The Man Machine (Vorwaerts Marsch Mix), Tour de France (Arc the Triumphe Mix), Sex Object (Spanish Edit)). I also got a spare copy of Ralf und Florian on original Philips label (num. cat. 6305197) and it includes the eight page fold out poster by Emil Schult. Price: £62 or $106 LP Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk" S6305058 Philips £104 or $177 (original release) LP Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk 2" S6305117 Philips £104 or $177 (original release) Methods of payment: Payment should be made out to Andrés García Aparicio. Personal cheques from overseas are not acceptable, due to the high bank charges applied. Eurocheques, Giro Cheques or cash in a registered envelope are the preferred methods of payment from Europe. Elsewhere, $US cash in a registered envelope, bankers drat/ International Money Order payable in Spain bank are the preferred methods of payment. If many doubt please write privately for further details before sending any payment. To the total amount of the requested material, you must add: £2 or 3.6$ of expenses of post and packing. Plus 0.5 % commission post office. If anybody is interested, please e-mail me. I also have some others KW and related bands records to sell or swap. I specially looking for 12" Tour de France (German version EMI 1652046), 12" Tour de France (Françoise Kevorkian remix) / Tour de France (version) / Tour de France (7") EMI12EMI5413 (1984) UK 12" single 12" Tour de France (Françoise Kevorkian remix) / Tour de France (version) / Tour de France (7") EMI2003776 (1984) German 12" single UK CD single Robotronik / Robotnik / Robotronik (single version) CD EM192 UK CD single Robotronik / Robotnik / The Robots (different sleeve) CD EM192 UK CD single Radioactivity (Françoise Kevorkian 7" & 12" remixes) / Radioactivity (William Orbit 12" remix) CD EM2012045522 USA CD single The Robots (single edit) / Robotnik (Kling Klang mix) / Robotronik (Kling Klang mix) CDs Elektra 966526-2 German CD single Robotnik / Die Roboter (single edit) / Robotronik EMI2043256 12" The telephone call EMI 5602, 12" Der Telefon Anruf EMI 2016336, Computer World LP (Japanese language) Toshiba EMS 91030, Computer World CD (first release) Elektra 93549-2, Computer World LP (Française language) Pathé-Marconi 26070, Exceller 8 Vertigo 6360629 (1975), Elektro Kinetik Vertigo 6449066 (1981), Doppelalbum Philips 36623057 (1975), Highrail Fontana 9294124 (1979), etc. 7"'s by Elektric Music. Cheers! DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk Consoles: What's inside? CHECK Date: 14 Oct 1998 10:41:39 +0200 Some more of KW's ground-breaking equipment modifications, not generally know about... (only joking!)(trad., CHECK) According to Aktivitaet issue 10, Florian Schneider control the Robovox unit, two Akai S-1000 sampler. Fritz Hilpert control Laptop computer, portion of Eventide unit, Pylon A4 unit, Akai S-1000 sampler. Henning Schmitz control Waldorf Microwave, ART, Eventide, Pylon, Data-Switch and Sony 5¼" disk-drive, Akai S-1000 sampler, Roland mixer, Akai DD-1000. Ralf Huetter control Eventide, Roland mixes, Monitor screen. According to Doepfer it seems KW have assistanced to develop several modular sinthesizers and analogic sequencers from Doepfer. The band uses the modular system A100, MAQ 16/3, MMR4/4, Schaltwerk, Regelwerk, master keyboards Sonderversionen and minikeyboards Donderanfertigung. All of them used during this tour. The German company Quasimidi stated in one of their latest brochures that KW are using their Rave-O-lution 309 module in their concerts. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Questions Date: 14 Oct 1998 15:41:31 +0200 Kraftwerk state their intention to record with Derrick May when The Mix Tour 91 took to Detroit. But this gig never arrived to America. Does anybody of you some more info about? Lothar Manteuffel has composed several types of music for VH1 channel of the German TV. Does anybody subsequent activities of LM? And the subsequent activities of Basil Hammoudi, Butch Hauf, Fred Monick, Andreas Holmann, Wolfgang Reichman, Rainer Sennewald, Brigitte Kanz, Bodo Staiger, Peter Wollek, Klaus Roeder, Hans Laupe, Mani Meumaier? Karl Bartos wrote the preface for the book, published in October 1995, "Techno Style", whose authors are Martin Pesch and Markus Weisbeck. Does anybody know how to get this book? The German label SPV released with the discographic items, several unique pieces of promotional material: two watches, one sporting the "TV" cover design, and the other the "Esperanto" design, a esperanto (the actual language) phrase book, given away to journalists -promo copies of the CD also came with an addicional insert in the artificial language-, posters of record shops exhibition, card sleeve reproductions of the album gatefold, and stickers -circular of "TV" and rectangular of "Esperanto"-. Does anybody know how to get them? I am also looking for Elektric Music and Yamo video-clips and promo items and 7". I have some KW and related band records to swap for. Mail me privately. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Reebok logo Date: 14 Oct 1998 15:44:02 +0200 Has anybody else of you realized that the Reebok logo is looked much like the Autobahn logo? DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ganz allein" Subject: Re: (kw) Best song, worst song, who gives a flying f**k?? Date: 14 Oct 1998 05:33:08 PDT >> > >> >Hey, every list has to have it's police force dunnit? ;-P >> > >> >Jules >> >> Yes, and I am the grammar police: you meant "its", NOT "it's" (no >> apostrophe please) >> >So, nothing wrong with the 'dunnit' then? And since when was the >english language so tight? > >It's colloquial, dear boy........ > 'Dunnit' is colloquial; your use of "it's" is just wrong. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peder Livijn" Subject: (kw) Re:Analogue Date: 14 Oct 1998 03:37:28 PDT "NOTHING is more exciting than pushing buttons, moving sliders and rotating knobs of a wonderful old analogue Synthesizers !!!", Marcello wrote, and he is so right! Samplers and digital instruments can´t even begin to compare when it comes to making fat, warm and organic sounds. MORE ANALOGUE TO THE PEOPLE!!!!! Reasonman ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Best song, worst song, who gives a flying f**k?? Date: 14 Oct 1998 14:10:16 +0800 Ganz allein wrote: > > >> > > >> >Hey, every list has to have it's police force dunnit? ;-P > >> > > >> >Jules > >> > >> Yes, and I am the grammar police: you meant "its", NOT "it's" (no > >> apostrophe please) > >> > >So, nothing wrong with the 'dunnit' then? And since when was the > >english language so tight? > > > >It's colloquial, dear boy........ > > > 'Dunnit' is colloquial; your use of "it's" is just wrong. so what's the problem? Is there a rule about grammar in the list intro? I can tell you there is a sentence about reading the archives, presumably to avoid going over and over subjects, such as 'best song / worst song'. ;-) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Least favourite type of email on this list? Date: 14 Oct 1998 10:28:13 +0000 At 10:41 am -0500 13/10/98, Bob VonMoss wrote: >William Dobiesz wrote: > >> What is your absolutely least favo(u)rite song ever produced by any artist. > >How 'bout half the songs by the BeeGees and Captain & Tenniel's (sp?) "Muskrat >Love." Or how about taking this off-list? Just my bad-tempered opinion, of course... K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ganz allein" Subject: Re: (kw) Best song, worst song, who gives a flying f**k?? Date: 14 Oct 1998 07:37:52 PDT >> >> > >> >> >Hey, every list has to have it's police force dunnit? ;-P >> >> > >> >> >Jules >> >> >> >> Yes, and I am the grammar police: you meant "its", NOT "it's" (no >> >> apostrophe please) >> >> >> >So, nothing wrong with the 'dunnit' then? And since when was the >> >english language so tight? >> > >> >It's colloquial, dear boy........ >> > >> 'Dunnit' is colloquial; your use of "it's" is just wrong. > >so what's the problem? Is there a rule about grammar in the list intro? >I can tell you there is a sentence about reading the archives, >presumably to avoid going over and over subjects, such as 'best song / >worst song'. > >;-) > > >Jules > There's no rule about grammar on the list, but after seeing that error for the hundredth time this week I just had to speak out. Nothing personal. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) AutoBDesktoppict Date: 14 Oct 1998 17:16:03 +0100 Finally I've had time to make a new Desktop-picture, this time for Autobahn= , I hope you like it=2E And as always a warning, my pages are pretty heavy, takes a while to download, hope it's worth the waiting! The new one is at: http://members=2Etripod=2Ecom/~KlingKlang/autobahn=2Ehtml To see the others goto my index at: http://members=2Etripod=2Ecom/~KlingKlang/index=2Ehtml Regards/Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Johnson Subject: (kw) Japanese LP obis Date: 14 Oct 1998 08:43:59 -0700 In response to Neils question about obi's (Japanese-language paper bands around Japanese vinyl LP's), and to add to the other response here.... I have Kraftwerk, Radio, TransE, ManMach, and CWorld on Japanese vinyl. ALL have obi's. The one for Kraftwerk is blue and yellow, touting a price of 1,800 yen. The Kraftwerk album is interesting, Philips BT-8108, is a single sleeve (no gate-fold like the German original), with half of the gate fold pictures and a Japanese bio on the back cover! So, including the other response that says Ralf/Florian has an obi, all we need to know about is Kraftwerk 2! -Keith Johnson kj@gmnameplate.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Barth" Subject: RE: (kw) Reebok logo Date: 14 Oct 1998 17:52:51 +0100 Yes, Actually my six year old daughter mentioned it (large logo on my Reebok sweatshirt) Cheers, Erik > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Der Automat > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 2:44 PM > To: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (kw) Reebok logo > > > > Has anybody else of you realized that the Reebok logo is looked much li= ke > the Autobahn logo? > > DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: (kw) Sanitary Werks - Argentina 1998 + offtopic + thanks Date: 14 Oct 1998 15:08:40 +0400 Hola a todos! Hi to all! I just came back from the KW concert in Buenos Aires yesterday! The concert was 'good', but surely not fantastic - even being my first time on a KW concert live... =46rom 10 to 0 I would give it 7.5 - sincerly. Unfortunatelly, no "Stop the press"-like news, there was minimal differences from the other concerts of this tour (Japan 98, Usa 98,...), but: 1) too many mistakes happened - surely including KW's, 2) KW was more-than-frozen-and-distant, completly cold; 3) some photos where take (but surely not allowed!), 4) pocket calculator REALLY short - no dentaku or soloing; 5) half of the concert was recorded (not the entire - the bootleger told me that two MDs had media-failure?),... 6) well, there are also other subjects, but nothing REALLY new. I will cover all I can... I will not have time now to write a decent review of the concert and the complete stories of "Los Hermanos del MercoSur" now, but surely AFTER next Sunday I may put it on line - an "edit" version will be sent to the list, and the full version will be on my site, maybe already including news about the concerts here in Brazil - 16.10.98 in Rio de Janeiro and 17.10.98 in Sao Paulo (I will be on all). If someone is already in Sao Paulo for KW concerts, I will also be today and tomorrow (14~15.oct.98) doing Sound Projections (live mixing / 8 speakers real time spatialization) during the concerts of the 2ND INTERNATIONAL BIENNIAL OF ELECTROACOUSTIC MUSIC OF SAO PAULO, that will feature works of Trevor WISHART, Jean-Claude RISSET, Fran=E7ois BAYLE and others. All free-concerts, organized by (my teacher) the brazilian composer =46lo MENEZES as part of the international comemorative events of the 50 years of electroacoustic music, also organized by the GRM group of Paris... I you want, just meet me there! :-) 14.10.98 - 20h; 15.10.98 - 20h; 16.10.98 - 18h & 20h; 17.10.98 - 18h. At Santa Marcelina University - Dr. Emilio Ribas Street 89, Perdizes - Sao Paulo/SP - Brasil. =46urther informations: +55 +11 826-9700 ramal 226. back to KW subjects... I need to public say this: you outside South America HAVE NO IDEA of how friendly and helpful everybody was there: Claudio and his wife, who made it possible and safe to me to go to Buenos Aires without knowing ANYTHING about the city; Mauricio (Chile), Osvaldo (Argentina) and other non-KWlist members - Bettina, Eduardo Encinas, Ricardo Ruiz and brother, brother of Osvaldo)...Also Mr. Eduardo ESCALANTE (an Argentinian teacher from my university) helped me a lot. Thanx to all! on 20.10.98 I wil be doing a seminary about KW at IA - Arts institute of Sao Paulo State's University - if you want to come to see it, email me privately. now I have to go, to wire some cables for the concerts tonight.... bye! best to all, AVELLAR. Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. * http://members.tripod.com/~AVELLAR - under construction! * mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mallade" <0732240d01@cplus.es> Subject: RE: (kw) Sanitary Werks - Argentina 1998 + offtopic + thanks Date: 14 Oct 1998 20:25:56 +0200 >but: (...) 2) KW was more-than-frozen-and-distant, completly cold; And since when that's a bad thing???? Tnx. for your info on the concert, & have a good time at those electro-acoustic performances....... yum... :-) Fer mallade@abonados.cplus.es http://members.tripod.com/~mallade # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mauricio Gonzalez" Subject: (kw) Argentina Concert Pictures Date: 14 Oct 1998 11:22:35 PDT Hi Werkers, I'm in Buenos Aires yet, now i'm in a Internet Cafe. I Return to Chile Tomorrow for upload the pictures to my page, are 45 pictures!!!!. The Argentine Werkers are excellent peoples, I feel like my home. The bad was we are few REAL WERKERS because many persons in the concert are peoples that don't know the Kraftwerk's story and they were there because tecno music is the fashion today. For example, In the near of me, a person dancing like in a RAVE when KW playing Trans Europe Express (GRRRRRRRRRRR) Soon update my Page Regards!!! Mauricio Gonzalez ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Sanitary Werks - Argentina 1998 + offtopic + thanks Date: 14 Oct 1998 20:26:04 +0000 >If someone is already in Sao Paulo for KW concerts, I will also be today >and tomorrow (14~15.oct.98) doing Sound Projections (live mixing / 8 >speakers real time spatialization) during the concerts of the 2ND >INTERNATIONAL BIENNIAL OF ELECTROACOUSTIC MUSIC OF SAO PAULO, that will >feature works of Trevor WISHART, Jean-Claude RISSET, Fran=E7ois BAYLE and >others. All free-concerts, organized by (my teacher) the brazilian composer >Flo MENEZES as part of the international comemorative events of the 50 >years of electroacoustic music, also organized by the GRM group of Paris... >I you want, just meet me there! :-) Birmingham (England) will be celebrating this anniversary too (amongst many other works, Bayle's 'Arc-en-ciel' will be diffused). I hope to have programme details at http://www.bham.ac.uk/music/ea-studios/beast/concerts.html soon. Maybe we should both try to sneak in a Kraftwerk piece... swap the DATs or something like that... >now I have to go, to wire some cables for the concerts tonight.... bye! Happy soldering! kV. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: (kw) Re:Analogue Date: 14 Oct 1998 16:42:14 EDT In a message dated 10/14/98 2:42:50 PM, you wrote: <> Remember that: a) different people determine what is "warm" in a particular sound b) when "emulating" analog with digital, it's not going to sound the same,= but c) this is not to say that what does come from an emulation is not useful. Some opinions: Analog and digital both have places in music. It is with the help of some intelligent mixing of these two where the best music is made. Now off to anticipate the arrival of my custom modular synthesizer and pon= der the purchase of a new digital synthesizer as well :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Argentina Concert Pictures Date: 14 Oct 1998 20:28:53 +0000 At 11:22 am -0700 14/10/98, Mauricio Gonzalez wrote: >The bad was we are few REAL WERKERS because many persons in the concert >are peoples that don't know the Kraftwerk's story and they were there >because tecno music is the fashion today. It was the same story at Luton Hoo. The band gets elevated to godhood in the dance magazines, so people come along and get disappointed by a technopop band. (I wouldn't say the crowd wasn't a bunch of "real werkers" though. Many of them were utter werkers). kV. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) Concert classics Date: 14 Oct 1998 23:41:46 +0000 > > I'm new to this list and I'm sure you discussed this subject this summer. > > But have you established WHERE and WHEN the Concert Classics album was > > recorded? > > The recording originates from a concert in Dallas, 1975, according to a > recent Japanese press release. My personal opinion is that it originates from a concert in UK, after the american leg of the tour. Only an opinion. Anyone with an audience tape recording of the same show can tell us more about the origin of album? Klaus perhaps? Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) Techno Pop Date: 14 Oct 1998 23:41:46 +0000 > >> Another "official" theory says that this was for the change of the > >> equipment from analogical to digitalis. > > >What makes this theory "official"? > > The Ralf Huetter's statements in a magazine, I do not remember the name of > it now. Ralf comments about this on an interview in a Spanish music magazine, which I think is El Gran Musical, from late 1986. The interview is conducted by a famous producer and musician in Spain: Julian Ruiz. You Klaus have a photocopy of this article :-) Jose Garcia Aktivitaet Spain: aktivitat@arrakis.es Aktivitaet Online (Unofficial Kraftwerk fanzine) http://www.arrakis.es/~jgc/aktivitat.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Re:Analogue Date: 15 Oct 1998 09:37:08 +0800 Peder Livijn wrote: > > "NOTHING is more > exciting than pushing buttons, moving sliders and rotating knobs of a > wonderful old analogue Synthesizers !!!", Marcello wrote, and he is so > right! > Samplers and digital instruments can´t even begin to compare when it > comes to making fat, warm and organic sounds. > > MORE ANALOGUE TO THE PEOPLE!!!!! > What a tank of septic waste. Yes, analogue sounds are far warmer, but organic? what the billy-bollocks are you on laddie? It's still electronic, and what's more, digital synthesis still has a rightful place in the scheme of things. I know, I have a vast collection of both, and they all have a function. And sampling? Feck, this IS the 90's after all, I thought the silly sampling debate was dead and buried in the late 80's. Jules PS. Ganz, could you check my grammar please? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: derrien@mail.club-internet.fr Subject: (kw) Hello Date: 15 Oct 1998 12:45:18 +0200 Sorry to bother you, I suscribed just right now, maybe you're talking about it for a long time, but a friend of mine spotted a Japanese CD called "The Autobahn tour". Is it "Concert Classics" under a different name ? Another one ? Does someone have the track listing ? Thanks, JCFromParis On now : A guy called Gerald - Voodoo Ray (Francois Kevorkian's smoothie mix) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Art Futura concert Date: 15 Oct 1998 10:49:02 +0200 Kraftwerk have played in Ars Electronica Center Festival in Linz (Austria= ), in ZKM, Karlsruhe (Germany) - also in AEC, Holland and ICC, Tokyo (Japan)= ?. And I wonder why they have not played yet in Art Futura (Spain). KW, we wait for you!! DER AUTOMAT =AE Endodermic microezime for your second skin. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) New Pieces of Music Date: 15 Oct 1998 10:40:33 +0200 Lichtgestalten bootleg is a recording of the Linz (Austria) KW concert on October 16th 1997. This CD contains three new songs: "ZKM song", "Lichtho= f" and "Numweltverschnutzung". Does anybody of you know if these tracks have got to do with "Tango" and "Tribal" in the 1998tour concerts? And why KW played 3 new pieces of music in 1997 and just 2 in 1998? DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Komputer + DAF Date: 14 Oct 1998 18:56:12 +0200 Komputer - "Terminus" single This single is now available on CD & 12" (catalogue number MUTE220). If y= ou are unable to get hold of it locally, it can be ordered from the Mute Ban= k for 3.99 pounds or 3.49 pounds respectively plus postage and packing. Mute, London http://www.mutelibtech.com/mute/ Mute Bank mail order: mutebank@mutelibtech.com Forthcoming releases on Mute label: 9/11 DAF "Der Mussolini" 12" single DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) New tracks Date: 14 Oct 1998 17:57:46 +0200 > > from what i've heard on the bootleg, the song 'luton hoo' (not sure i= f > > that's the correct name, but that's the caption of the avi available = at > > www.kraftwerk.com) > > http://www.kraftwerk.com/video.html >=20 > No, 'Luton Hoo' is the name of the place where that track was first > performed, in May 1997. It's in england, just north of london. England > is part of the British isles, just off mainand europe, just in case you > didn't know that. ;-) The correct track listing for 1998 tour is in fact thus: "Numbers", "Computer World", "Home Computer", "The Man Machine", "Tour de France", "Autobahn", "The Model", "Airwaves (Tango)", "Sellafield2 / Radioactivity= ", "Trans-Europe Express", "Pocket Calculator / Dentaku", "The Robots / Robotronik", "Tribal" and "Music Non Stop". NB: Tango and Tribal are the new pieces of music. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) TradeRheingold Date: 15 Oct 1998 12:24:50 +0200 Excuse if this is off topic, but anyone of you ask me for a copy of CD Rheingold "Rheingold" 7948072 and unfortunately I have forgot his e-ma= il adress. Please can you mail me again? Thanks and apologies for any inconvenience caused by this. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Electric Music Date: 15 Oct 1998 10:21:41 +0200 Markus Loehr has collaborated with Karl Bartos in Electric Music album. Does anyone of you know who is Loehr? The March 1998 edition of the UK magazine Sound on Sound features a 9-pag= e interview with Karl Bartos. Does anybody know the www adress? DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) For sale or swap Date: 15 Oct 1998 14:34:02 +0200 For sale or swap: Kraftwerk/Organisation "Tone Float" cassette (still sealed) =A320.6 or $3= 5.7 Yellow Magic Orchestra "Technodelic" vinyl LP (excellent) =A312.4 or $21.= 4 Jean Michel Jarre "Rendez vous 98" (remixed by Apollo Four Forty) CDs (excellent) =A312.4 or $21.4 DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Techno Pop?! Date: 15 Oct 1998 10:29:22 +0200 > Actually, I suspect the reason there are so many rumours why it was > >>pulled is because no one wants to admit Kraftwerk are actually very > >>lazy. > > > >Yes, I agree with you. > >That's also probably the reason we are waiting for the New album for years! The Karl Bartos' remark on Techno-pop era is that he spent two and a half years trying to program a Yamaha DX7 with two Atari computers. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk Consoles: What's inside? Date: 15 Oct 1998 12:37:55 +0200 On Wednesday, October 14th 1998, I wrote: > According to Aktivitaet issue 10, Florian Schneider control the Robovox > unit, two Akai S-1000 sampler. > Fritz Hilpert control Laptop computer, portion of Eventide unit, Pylon = A4 > unit, Akai S-1000 sampler. > Henning Schmitz control Waldorf Microwave, ART, Eventide, Pylon, > Data-Switch and Sony 5=BC" disk-drive, Akai S-1000 sampler, Roland mixe= r, > Akai DD-1000. > Ralf Huetter control Eventide, Roland mixes, Monitor screen. And I think that Ralf Huetter controls a vocoder at least in "Airwaves" rendition. According to Doepfer it seems KW have assistanced to develop modular sinthesizers and analogic sequencers from Doepfer. The band uses the modular system A-100, MAQ 16/3, MMR4/4, Schaltwerk, Regelwerk, Sonderversionen master keyboards (modifizierte LMK2 mit 61 Fasten) and Sonderanfertigung minikeyboards (during "Poket Calculator"). All of them used during this tour. > The German company Quasimidi stated in one of their latest brochures th= at > KW are using their Rave-O-lution 309 module in their concerts. KW have also used Dubreq stylophone, Casio pocketalculator, Texas instruments Speak and Spell. Hmm... The first Depeche Mode's album is called "Speak and Spell". Any connection? Whole, I think. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Argentina Concert Pictures Date: 15 Oct 1998 09:33:17 +0800 Kevin Busby wrote: > > At 11:22 am -0700 14/10/98, Mauricio Gonzalez wrote: > > >The bad was we are few REAL WERKERS because many persons in the concert > >are peoples that don't know the Kraftwerk's story and they were there > >because tecno music is the fashion today. > > It was the same story at Luton Hoo. The band gets elevated to godhood in > the dance magazines, so people come along and get disappointed by a > technopop band. (I wouldn't say the crowd wasn't a bunch of "real werkers" > though. Many of them were utter werkers). > hehehe, i hope that's 'present company excepted' ;-P Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicolau Centola" Subject: (kw) Is R&F becoming friendly? Date: 15 Oct 1998 05:31:51 PDT Well, believe or not, Ralf & Florian are becoming more friendly. 1. Yesterday they made an interview with the most important brazilian newspaper in Rio. Nothing was published until now. 2. The most important: THEY WILL MAKE A LIVE CHAT TODAY!! Yes, I will repeat slowly: they will make a live chat today!! Believe or not they will. I don´t know what happened but you can connect today at 1 pm (Brazil time) Universo On Line site: www.uol.com.br Click at bate-papo option in the main bar... Sorry guys, I think it will be in portuguese (not in universal language)!!! Let´s see if they have something to say... I will put the chat at my site ASAP. 3. Rede Globo TV Network will broadcast a "best moments" of the Festival, later each night. The propaganda mention Kraftwerk. Maybe R&F authorize video recording of KW concert?? I tell you if it occours. There´s an official site of the Free Jazz Festival at: http://www.uol.com.br/diversao/freejazz/ Nothing special, just releases... let´s see after the gigs. I will update my site as soon as possible... peace Nicolau http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dead Reaper" Subject: Re: (kw) For sale or swap Date: 15 Oct 1998 07:36:14 PDT >For sale or swap: >Jean Michel Jarre "Rendez vous 98" (remixed by Apollo Four Forty) CDs >(excellent) =A312.4 or $21.4 You can't be serious! They've still got it for £3.99 brand spanking new in my local record store & I think that's a rip-off. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: (kw) State Theatre, Detroit (sort of off topic) Date: 15 Oct 1998 10:36:23 -0400 I went to a career fair at the State Theatre in Detroit yesterday. = While I sat there inside waiting for the presentation to get underway, I = was looking at the stage...the big speakers gone, little but memories of = the experience of 4 months ago (was it THAT long?). And all I could think about was chanting...Boing-Boom-Tschak-Peng.... I need to get a life... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) searching kw lyrics Date: 15 Oct 1998 10:37:17 -0400 Anyone know if is there any URL (WWW page) with KW lyrics ? I don't know if anyone answered this yet, but, try this link: http://www.mdis.de/kraftwerk/ The website is in German, but whether you can read it or not, it's not hard to get around it. The lyrics are in English, French, German or whatever. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: Sv: (kw) New Pieces of Music Date: 15 Oct 1998 17:01:32 +0100 >Lichtgestalten bootleg is a recording of the Linz (Austria) KW concert on >October 16th 1997=2E This CD contains three new songs: "ZKM song", "Lichth= of" >and "Numweltverschnutzung"=2E Does anybody of you know if these tracks hav= e >got to do with "Tango" and "Tribal" in the 1998tour concerts? And why KW >played 3 new pieces of music in 1997 and just 2 in 1998? Off course we all know why, how come you don't? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) New Pieces of Music Date: 15 Oct 1998 17:02:33 +0100 >Lichtgestalten bootleg is a recording of the Linz (Austria) KW concert on >October 16th 1997=2E This CD contains three new songs: "ZKM song", "Lichth= of" >and "Numweltverschnutzung"=2E Does anybody of you know if these tracks hav= e >got to do with "Tango" and "Tribal" in the 1998tour concerts? And why KW >played 3 new pieces of music in 1997 and just 2 in 1998? Off course we all know why, how come you don't? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joarg@hsr.no (Joar Grimstvedt) Subject: Re: (kw) Electric Music Date: 15 Oct 1998 17:00:48 +0200 On Oct 15, 10:21am, "Der Automat" wrote: > Markus Loehr has collaborated with Karl Bartos in Electric Music album. > Does anyone of you know who is Loehr? Markus Loehr was the guitarist of the German pop group Hubert KaH in the eighties. The trio - Hubert Kemmler and Klaus Hirscburger were the other two members - have also written songs for other artists, in particular Sandra. There's an article at http://www.spiegel.de/netzweltarc/themen/compumusik.html, from Der Spiegel in December 1997. The article is about computers in music, and looks at Karl Bartos and also Markus Loehr. > The March 1998 edition of the UK magazine Sound on Sound features a 9-pag= > e > interview with Karl Bartos. Does anybody know the www adress? Sound On Sound is at http://www.sospubs.co.uk/, but they don't have many articles online, and not the Bartos interview. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt, joarg@hsr.no /// WWW: Enigma/Sandra http://www.five.no/joarg/ /// Eschew obfuscation. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ICalder Subject: (kw) Yamo 'Future Music' remix competition results to appear on CD Date: 15 Oct 1998 15:29:30 -0400 Earlier this year, 'Future Music' magazine featured and interview with Wolfgang Fluer. On the accompanying CD elements of the Yamo track 'Mosquito' were avaiable with the open invitation for fans to remix the track and forward entries to Future Music as part of a competition. The four winners of the remix competition are now presented on the CD that accompanies the November issue of the magazine, which will be on sale fro= m October 19th, cover price =A34.50. = Ian Calder Aktivitaet Webpages: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/aktivitaet/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ICalder Subject: (kw) Japanese pressings of early KW LPs Date: 15 Oct 1998 15:29:39 -0400 >Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:28:44 EDT >From: MWebb17743@aol.com >Subject: (kw) Japnaese lp's > > Does anybody know if the Japanese pressings of Kraftwerk,Kraftwerk2 and= Ralf > and Florian LPs come with obi strips? > The article in Aktivitat suggests that at least one of these does not. I believe that all copies of the Japanese should indeed = come complete with paper 'banderole strips'. From the = version of the Japanese 'Collectors Corner' article that = is currently online: 'The original article stated that = there appeared to be no title strip to this release. It is now = known that the releases for 'Kraftwerk', 'Kraftwerk 2' and 'Ralf and = Florian' should in fact come complete with the title strips = wrapped on the outside of the cover. Further, it appears that = there are two different title strip designs available = for each (possible two separate pressings/issues = of each release?): red/black/white coloured and = blue/yellow/white.' The original version that was published in the fanzine = and online initially was incorrect in giving the impression = that they did not come with the strips. This observation was = based on the fact that those people I knew who had copies = of the LPs were obviously not complete editions. = It's a problem with Japanese LPs second-hand, that = often the paper strips are missing. Ian Calder Aktivitaet Webpages: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/aktivitaet/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Chat + update Date: 16 Oct 1998 00:58:23 -0300 I updated my 1998 Tour Concerts Reports page: http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/ I'm disapointed with KW chat at uol... ralf was there (really was??) and didn't answer any question. He just gave vague answers... peace Nicolau # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joarg@hsr.no (Joar Grimstvedt) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in video Date: 16 Oct 1998 10:47:50 +0200 The video to '(Hey You) What's That Sound' by Les Rythms Digitales shows a picture of Kraftwerk, a Man Machine line-up. It's at the very beginning of the video, which is overloaded with '80s imagery. I saw the video yesterday, and the day before there was an interview with Komputer on the same channel. The group didn't say Kraftwerk directly, but of course the voice-over mentioned Kraftwerk, and 15 s of the video to 'The Robots' (1978) was shown, with the music continuing for a while under the interview. Once again, when Kraftwerk appear they do so in a double. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt, joarg@hsr.no /// WWW: Enigma/Sandra http://www.five.no/joarg/ /// Eschew obfuscation. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: (kw) Reference (?) Date: 16 Oct 1998 12:44:53 +0200 Tomorrow there will be a concert in Lund, Sweden called NUMBERS. The poster-imagery is slightly Kraftwerkesq (CW era). Line-up including DAF.DOS. /Joakim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Search Kraftwerk in the Wire Magazine Database Date: 16 Oct 1998 10:25:01 +0200 Searching on The Wire Magazine Database I found this search results for: Kraftwerk in the title: Short articles Issue 175 Page 10 Author Peter Shapiro Article Fast Tracks: Kurtis Mantronik [Kraftwerk] SoundCheck reviews Issue 118 Page 00 Author Various Artist Title Kraftwerk Through The Looking Glass Does anyone know something about these? DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Japanese Concert Classics Date: 15 Oct 1998 17:30:31 +0200 On Thursday October 15th 1998 12:49 derrien@mail.club-internet.fr wrote: > Sorry to bother you, I suscribed just right now, maybe you're talking about > it for a long time, but a friend of mine spotted a Japanese CD called "The > Autobahn tour". Is it "Concert Classics" under a different name ? Anoth= er > one ? Does someone have the track listing ? A Japanese CD edition by the name of "Autobahn Tour 75" (CRCL-4035) was released in early September. The correct track listing is: "Kometenmelodie" 1 and 2 (11.49), "Autobahn= " (21.54), "Kling Klang" (10.10) and "Tanz Musik" (4.16). Hope this helps. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PITT Mike Subject: (kw) Tour de Kraft update Date: 16 Oct 1998 15:03:00 +0100 New MP3's from the 1981 tour; The Robots It's More Fun to Compute The cover version is OMD's take on Neon Lights. Mike. Kraftwerk Live 1981 and Cover Versions. http://website.lineone.net/~mike.pitt/tdk.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Armin.Poecker@t-online.de (Armin Poecker) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk pressings Date: 16 Oct 1998 15:23:09 +0200 > From: ">> a b z u g <<" > Subject: Re: (kw) Mini Calculateur > > >There's no official CD issue of Mini Calculateur. A reasonably good > >recording can be found on the 'Werke' bootleg CD. > > Thanks Gunther! I'll keep an eye out for that boot. Someone else mentioned > the French version of 'Computer World' was reissued on cassette in 1988, or > did i misunderstand and this cassette is just a reissue of the regular > english language version. anyone have any info on the value / availibility > of this cassette? The french tape issues all feature 'Mini Calculateur'. (I know of issues in 1981, 1985 and 1988). Giving a value for a taoe is very hard as most dealers in Europe don't care for tapes, so you'll also have a problem getting it anyway ;-) Probably UK pound 15 / DM 45,- as anything that has the name 'Kraftwerk' on it sells. > From: "Adrian Waterfield" > Subject: (kw) Does anyone know... > > Dear All > I have a query about a KW album that I have. Quite some years back I > bought the 1st kw album. It's a double vinyl album called just > 'Kraftwerk'. The thing is that the second record in the album has, as > it's centre label a Status Quo label although the album itself is most > definitley Kraftwerk. It is difficult to see whether there is a KW label > underneath. I was wondering whether this is a one off glitch or whether > they were all pressed with this mistake. I'm pretty sure it isn't some > dodgy bootleg or anything. Sounds like a typical pressing plant error. I haven't heard of this one before, but there certainly should be several of these. Such mispressings aren't so rare, sometimes you get another artist's music on the record, sometimes it's only the labels or cover. > From: MWebb17743@aol.com > Subject: (kw) Japnaese lp's > > Does anybody know if the Japanese pressings of Kraftwerk,Kraftwerk2 and Ralf > and Florian LPs come with obi strips? > The article in Aktivitat suggests that at least one of these does not. I can now confirm the following on these pressings after clearing it up with a japanese collector: Kraftwerk 1 (Philips BT-8101) and Ralf&Florian (Philips BT-8102) always have a white title strip with red and black text. A pressing of Autobahn was also released in this series (BT-8103) and may have a similar title strip. Kraftwerk 2 (Philips BT-8108) was released in a different series of albums and always has a dark blue title strip with yellow text ('Euro Rock Super Collection). Interestingly, it does not feature the number '2' on the cover. Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk Consoles: What's inside? Date: 16 Oct 1998 14:24:23 -0400 (EDT) I think it's probably about tiem again that the meaning of some words is pointed out... > According to Doepfer it seems KW have assistanced to develop > modular sinthesizers and analogic sequencers from Doepfer. The band > uses the modular system A-100, MAQ 16/3, MMR4/4, Schaltwerk, Regelwerk, > Sonderversionen master keyboards (modifizierte LMK2 mit 61 Fasten) and ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ "special versions" That's _T_asten (keys) > Sonderanfertigung minikeyboards (during "Poket Calculator"). All ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "custom-built" > of them used during this tour. Obviously, neither "Sonderversionen" nor "Sonderanfertigung" are specific product names. (Thanks for correcting the "Donder" which someone else mistyped, and which has been quoted in mail a lot recently :) -gbr now playing: Abzug (77) (I need to change over to 'Numbers'; I'm working on a math unit of the next Fastest Processor in the World :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Claudio Falaschini" Subject: (kw) Looking for european KW CDs Date: 16 Oct 1998 15:46:51 -0300 Hi! Does anyone know any on-line service to buy CD (like www.cdnow.com) but in Europe???? (could be www.xxxxxxxx.co.uk ???). I'm searching that cause cdnow sells European cds, but very expensive! Thanks! Claudio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Corchado Subject: (kw) poll Date: 16 Oct 1998 13:49:45 +0000 (GMT) Last weekend I started a poll on the best Kraftwerk song and album. Up to this moment now I have received 13 votes. Not very impresive, especially if you think that everytime someone in the list post a message about the best (worst) Kraftwerk album or song, lots of people in the list (at least, more than 13) post a reply message with their opinion. Remember that if you want to vote for the best song you have to send an e-mail to song@t232b.chem.umn.edu and if you want to vote for the best album you have to send an e-mail to album@t232b.chem.umn.edu with the title of the song/album on the subject line. The poll will finish next monday 19, and I will try to post the results on tuesday. Thanks for your participation. Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron A." Subject: (kw) Man Machine on CD Date: 16 Oct 1998 10:50:22 PDT Hello, my name is Aaron, and I am from Toronto Ontario, Canada. I have just joined this list. I have been a Kraftwerk fan for a very short time, and I'm currently working on collecting as many of the albums as I can on CD. The one album that I can't seem to find, and would really like to own is Man Machine. Could someone post a message if they know anything about the release information of that album on CD, particularly in Canada?? Help would be much appreciated. I also hope to launch a unique Kraftwerk web site sometime in the future, focusing on audio. Since I discovered Kraftwerk, I spend some of my spare time mixing different tracks in Sound forge. I find that some songs really mix quite well together (as they are so modular), and I wish to share these amazing sound combinations with other Kraftwerk Fans. I'll be sure to leave info on that here when I launch something. Also, I was wondering how many people subscribe to this list. Thanks, Aaron ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo Cassolatto" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk live broadcast in brazil today !! Date: 16 Oct 1998 11:24:45 PDT Hi werkers !!! Tonight , in a cable TV , the Kraftwerk Conzert in Rio de Janeiro, will live broadcasted, and logical, I will record this !!!!!!!!!!!!! If someone (wait until tomorrow to confirmation) need a copy please, e-mail-me ( long word ) Non Stop +--------------------------------------+ > SINTETIK - The Sintetik Way of Life < >------<<< Ricardo Cassolatto >>>------< +--------------------------------------+ > sintetik@hotmail.com < +--------------------------------------+ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Houle Subject: Re: (kw) Man Machine on CD Date: 16 Oct 1998 16:59:17 -0400 I got my man machine album in Toronto (can't remember the place) but it was a re-released LP. I'll try to remember the store. Marc >>> The one album that I can't seem to find, and would really like to own is Man Machine. Could someone post a message if they know anything about the release information of that album on CD, particularly in Canada?? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: (kw) Orbital Date: 16 Oct 1998 23:50:20 +0200 From an unofficial Orbital-Newsletter (sorry, in german) about the new Orbital-single which will be released in january: > Es gibt Neuigkeiten. Am 11. oder 18. Januar 1999 kommt eine neue Single raus. Wahrscheinlich wird der Haupttrack "Stylophon" sein. Mehr dazu sp=E4ter. Weiterhin ist das neue Album fast fertig. Es fehlt lediglich der Abschlu=DFtrack. Release-Date: 8. oder 15 Februar 1999! < "Stylophon" - that sounds a bit Kraftwerk-ish to me ;-)! Maybe it's a remix of a new Kraftwerk track or so? Gruesse aus Wien, Georgie BTW: Just watched TV - a documentation about a "robot-monkey" ;-). --=20 * Georg Jajus - Vienna - Austria * http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * SMS & phone: +436765621850 * "In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcafe, Direktverbindung TEE..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: Re: (kw) State Theatre, Detroit (sort of off topic) Date: 16 Oct 1998 15:57:26 -0700 (PDT) William Dobiesz Wrote: >I went to a career fair at the State Theatre in Detroit yesterday. While >I sat there inside waiting for the presentation to get underway, I was >looking at the stage...the big speakers gone, little but memories of the >experience of 4 months ago (was it THAT long?). > >And all I could think about was chanting...Boing-Boom-Tschak-Peng.... > >I need to get a life... Me too,..........Me too..... Wait till 1999! ************************************************************************** June 11th, 1998. State Theater Eric Knight KRAFTWERK ericknig@sprynet.com I was there, I will Never Forget Think Different!! Macintosh! ************************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: (kw) KW Perfect Beats Date: 16 Oct 1998 20:34:53 -0600 Kraftwerk featured in "The Perfect Beats", New York Electro Hip-Hop+Underground Dance Classics 1980-85 Volumes 1-4 Tommy Boy Vol. 1 Afrika Bambaataa/Planet Rock Planet Patrol-Play at your own risk Rocker's Revenge-Walking on Sunshine Yaz-Don't Go Jellybean-The Mexican Yello-Bostich Kraftwerk-Trans Europe Express/Numbers/Computer World!!!!! (Now what does that tell you? Three tracks, three classics. Peach Boys-Don't make me wait imagination-Just an illusion Level 42-Starchild Nick Straker Band-A Little Bit of Jazz Klein & MBO-Dirty Talk T.W. Funkmasters-Love Money. More info at www.timberrecords.com DJ Frank X http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/kw2000.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) Playstation Date: 15 Oct 1998 22:57:58 +0100 a friend told me that he read in the italian magazine Playstation (you can guess what it is about) that a readers poll about which theme music they will prefer as background of their games had Kraftwerk in top position. the "sad" thing is that this mag should be the italian translation of the original english mag, so the readers were the english ones. I say sad because it seems that tastes of italian players are not so well educated. while I am here, I just shifted back in lurker state due to a looot of work and a week of life without telephone: the previous occupants of the flat where I am living now leaved unpaid telephone bills for 600.000 liras... quite a lot... you've been disconnected... and now tell me about a wired world... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) and the reviews?... Date: 15 Oct 1998 23:00:57 +0100 am I wrong or K should have played in South America at leat once now? and where are the reviews? come on, you latinoamerican firends, or are you just too dazed? :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Claudio Falaschini" Subject: RE: (kw) and the reviews?... Date: 17 Oct 1998 10:13:50 -0000 Hey! > am I wrong or K should have played in South America at leat once now? You are right! I saw KW here in Argentina. I was one of the lucky almost 4000 in Obras Sanitarias Stadium. > and where are the reviews? Check the *excellent* *excellent* Nicolau's Centola Web Site http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html > come on, you latinoamerican firends, or are you just too dazed? :-) Hey, we sent some reviews to the list! They are in the Nicolau Web Site. Cya Claudio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Victor Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in Brazil. Date: 17 Oct 1998 14:20:40 -0300 Assinantes do Brasil entrem em contato com o canal Multishow pedindo um especial completo do Kraftwerk no Free Jazz 98. O endere=E7o =E9: suporte.assinante@netsat.com.br Quanto mais pessoas escreveram para l=E1 melhor ! Obrigado !! Subscribers of Brazil enter in contact with the channel Multishow requesting a one complete special of Kraftwerk in Free Jazz 98. = The address is: = suporte.assinante@netsat.com.br The more people wrote for there better! = Thank you!! = -- = Victor Miranda vmiranda@urbi.com.br http://www.urbi.com.br/users/vmiranda # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: m.schmidt@top.east.de Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Spezial Date: 16 Oct 1998 12:26:00 +0100 only in german Der deutsche Radiosender HR 2 sendet am Mittwoch dem 4.11.98 ein Kraftwer= k-=20 Spezial. Die Sendezeit ist von 21.30 Uhr bis 22.00 Uhr. -- Mit elektrischen Gr=FC=DFen,=B7 Marko ----------------------------------------------------- Germankraft die deutsche Kraftwerk-Homepage:www.kraftwerk.mdis.de ----------------------------------------------------- ## CrossPoint v3.11 ## # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Victor Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in Rio - Songs Date: 17 Oct 1998 15:20:15 -0300 The kraftwerk played the following music in Rio: 1-Numbers 2-Computer World 3-It's More Fun To Compute 4-Man Machine 5-Tour de France 6-Autobahn 7-The Model 8-New Song (already played) 9-Radioactivity 10-Trans Europe Express 11-Pocket Calculator 12-The Robots 13-New Song (already played) 14-Music Non Stop Excellent show !! Perfect !! -- Victor Miranda vmiranda@urbi.com.br http://www.urbi.com.br/users/vmiranda # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Diego Lucena da Silva Subject: (kw) My Kraftwerk Experience Date: 17 Oct 1998 18:02:53 -0300 To whom it may concern, I have just returned home from the Kraftwerk concert which happened last night in Rio de Janeiro, about 1100 Km from my town. Nonetheless, my KW experience started when I decided to travel to Rio and ended just before I left that city this morning (just keep reading and you'll know why). In the past few days, I tried to contact a few of the Konvoy list subscribers. I would like to thank Stefan from Buzios, Rio de Janeiro for his company (as well as his wife's). Other subscribers established contact through e-mail but did not call me before the concert to arrange a meeting in person. My message to them is: well, if you were there you certainly saw me - I was the guy with the bright green chemical lightstick hanging on my neck. During applause between songs I was spinning it over my head. You must have seen it... now you know who I am! I was lucky enough to get into the chat room last Thursday with permission to speak (only 10 allowed from outside the uol.com.br domain). From the several dozens of questions asked, Hutter responded only a handful - including mine! I asked: - Are you releasing a new album anytime soon? to which he answered: - The next album will be released before the next millenium. I know the question was not ingenious, but it was simple and "commercial" enough to be chosen. As fot last night: it was my first KW concert and I enjoyed it from beggining to end. There were two noticeable technical problems: 1) Radioactivity simply did not start after the scrolling text which was read by the "robot voice". They quickly reset the equiment and we had to watch the scrolling text again before the song really started. 2) T.E.E. was interrupted by some kind of power failure on the main speaker system. Kling Klang Studios remained running the song (I heard it coming softly through an unknown set of speakers) until they paused it. Instead of booing, the public went wild and applauded - at first, we thought that sudden stop was part of the show. Hutter put his hand jokingly (?) on his ear as if he were waiting anxiously for the speakers come to full power again. I suppose this was not KW's fault. I am not sure tough, because the interruption happened very close to the transition to Abzug. During the show they avoided staring at the audience. I was always smiling at them because I was having such a good time. They certainly noticed me, but were a bit shy and looked away, rarely smiling back. The concert started at 9:42 PM Brazilian daylight savings time (GMT -2 I guess) and ended at about 11:25. Stefan, his wife and I did not even watch the following show (by Massive Attack) and left the Main Stage area when the last song ended. I left my VCR at home recording 4 hours of channel "Multishow" and I got less then 10 minutes of interesting material: 1) A quick interview with Florian, which he said was something he never did before for T.V. (?) He answered most of the questions with yes, no and maybe, but that's a good start. When the interviewer asked him which songs they were gonna play, he said "all of them". He was definitely trying to behave "like a robot" - even the Globo TV interviewer noticed that. She surely had a hard time trying to dig something from him. 2) Half of T.E.E. (from the moment just before the power failure on) as well as Abzug and Metal on Metal. But wait, there's more! After the concert Stefan dropped me at the airport, where I would have to wait 12 hours for my flight. I though It was going to be a long, long night... and it was. However, at around 11 PM today, something wonderful happened: I was taking a walk at the shopping area of the airport when I noticed THEM right ahead of me! I was shocked, trying to coordinate my thoughts. I picked the first piece of paper I could find (which happened to be the cover of my flight ticket) and a pen and approached them asking for an autograph. Each one of them looked at me seriously and signed my ticket cover. Ralph made an observation about it and I replied "that's the only piece of paper I got". I thanked them, said "Congratulations on your work" and walked away to never see them again. Hutter and Hilpert were the only ones to smile in the end. Considering the size of the Rio de Janeiro International Airport, I consider myself *very* lucky to run into them like I did. They were going to Sao Paulo, of course, where they will perform tonight. I expect to record more material on channel Multishow of Globo TV network- hey folks in Europe, please keep your fingers crossed for us in South America. Thanks for your time and get in touch if you ever come to South Brazil, Diego. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Looking for european KW CDs Date: 18 Oct 1998 04:06:52 +0100 (CET) On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:46:51 -0300, Claudio Falaschini wrote: > >Hi! >Does anyone know any on-line service to buy CD (like www.cdnow.com) but in >Europe???? (could be www.xxxxxxxx.co.uk ???). I'm searching that cause >cdnow sells European cds, but very expensive! >Thanks! you can try: www.musicshop.co.uk, good prices, no rarities there / no import material. www.cdzone.co.uk, something they have out of print materials at a good price. www.cdeurope.com, they have many rarities but very expensive!!! http://vinyltap.co.uk, very good for old records but expensive. So, for new CD's, my suggestion would be www.musicshop.co.uk good luck, Arnaud # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uther Pendragon Subject: (kw) Looking for JAPANESE KW CDs Date: 17 Oct 1998 19:55:32 -0700 Anyone out there have any URL's for buying Japanese CD's? Thanks! Arnaud de Bonald wrote: > On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:46:51 -0300, Claudio Falaschini wrote: > > you can try: > www.musicshop.co.uk, good prices, no rarities there / no import material. > www.cdzone.co.uk, something they have out of print materials at a good price. > www.cdeurope.com, they have many rarities but very expensive!!! > http://vinyltap.co.uk, very good for old records but expensive. > > So, for new CD's, my suggestion would be www.musicshop.co.uk > > good luck, > > Arnaud > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Subject: (kw) KRAFTWERK ON TV!!!!! Date: 17 Oct 1998 23:00:30 +0500 (GMT) YES!, right now! on RED O Globo TV!, They are playing 'Music Non Stop' on the FreeJazz festival!. Beauty show!. Jose, CD2000 Lima - Peru # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) 'Trans Europa Express' by Anthony Rother Date: 18 Oct 1998 12:16:21 +0200 Hi Friends and other robots Yesterday I watched "Berlin House" on VIVA-TV. There was shown a Video Clip of a Cover Version of "Trans Europa Express" by Anthony Rother. Is this track from a tribute-sampler or is it a "independent track" ? Greetings Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) Japanese LP's Date: 18 Oct 1998 15:48:00 +0000 > wrapped on the outside of the cover. Further, it appears that = > there are two different title strip designs available = > for each (possible two separate pressings/issues = > of each release?): red/black/white coloured and = > blue/yellow/white.' > I can confirm that the title strips are different on some of the LP reissues: TEE, Thosiba-EMI ECS 63039 Man Machine, Thosiba-EMI ECS 63028 (horizontal title strip!) And the other re-issued LP, Autobahn, must also have a different title strip. Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: OFF TOPIC FW: (kw) Playstation Date: 18 Oct 1998 10:36:40 -0400 >where I am living now leaved unpaid telephone bills for 600.000 liras... >quite a lot... Anybody know what a lira is worth in US dollars? I've got 2- 500 lira coins (2 color - pretty) and a 50 lira. Chump change or valuable? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: OGO Yoichiro Subject: Re: (kw) Looking for JAPANESE KW CDs Date: 19 Oct 1998 00:02:51 +0900 Hi, At 7:55 PM -0700 98.10.17, Uther Pendragon wrote: > Anyone out there have any URL's for buying Japanese CD's? http://web.kyoto-inet.or.jp/people/ohkura/ I recommend this CD shop, dealing with many bootlegs and regular CD. OGO Yoichiro ----- mykhogo@venus.dti.ne.jp http://www.geocities.co.jp/HeartLand/8640 icq:7690564=vanda Key fingerprint = 3A45 6C69 580F C9B5 DCD4 7960 F2C2 14B7 05BC 3E22 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Rusbridge" Subject: (kw) Japanese LP's Date: 18 Oct 1998 17:21:16 +0100 The two Japanese LP's I have, both white labels, have different coloured strips. TEE Toshiba/EMI ECS 63039 - blue,black,white 'Break Out 2000'. Computer World Toshiba/EMI 91030 yellow,black,white. Jim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Luca Dassi" Subject: R: (kw) Looking for european KW CDs Date: 17 Oct 1998 09:12:37 +0200 >Hi! >Does anyone know any on-line service to buy CD (like www.cdnow.com) but in >Europe???? (could be www.xxxxxxxx.co.uk ???). I'm searching that cause >cdnow sells European cds, but very expensive! >Thanks! >Claudio You could try www.imvs.com - they're English and carry a wide selection of CD's. Bye, *Luca* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael.Briel" Subject: (kw) Hi there! Date: 17 Oct 1998 02:39:44 +0200 Hya folks! I thought that you might use some information directly from Germany, so I'll join your group for a while! My name's Michael, I sell computergames, I make electronic music myself and I know some people close to Ralf and Florian - for example Dirk Matten (look at the TEE cover, he's listed under "Hardware: Matten&Wiecherts"; he sold them most of their hardware and he put together their blinking ties. I bought some of my hardware from him. A friend of mine works at a graphic-design-studio and called me when he got his hands on the original designs for the "Tee", "Radioactivity" and "Mane Machine" covers - they wanted them re-scanned for later use (I think it was for a single collection to be published in the UK)... I even *touched* them! :-) The ManMachine design was cinda cute: Red carton paper, the cut-out photo of the four guys glued on, some pieces of hair had been darkened with an edding, the letters cut out and glued on as well - there wasn't anything like dtp-software in '78! ;-) And the Antenna from Radioactivity: A paintbrush, 1m x 1m. Seeya - if you have questions, ask! -- Kruge@home.ivm.de (ICQ: 15785108) "Der Preis des Friedens ist ewige Wachsamkeit!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Luca Dassi" Subject: R: (kw) Looking for european KW CDs Date: 17 Oct 1998 14:04:36 +0200 >Hi! >Does anyone know any on-line service to buy CD (like www.cdnow.com) but in >Europe???? (could be www.xxxxxxxx.co.uk ???). I'm searching that cause >cdnow sells European cds, but very expensive! You could try www.imvs.com - they're English and carry a wide selection of CDs - I placed a couple of orders with them and I'm satisfied with their service. Bye, *Luca* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "97fm" <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) KRAFTWERK at FREE JAZZ Date: 18 Oct 1998 19:11:34 -0200 Hi my friends !! I saw KRAFTWERK playing at Free Jazz Festival (Main Stage (MAM) Rio de Janeiro). The concert is fantastic !! I will send more details later... However, one thing I tell to all: at TEE the KRAFTWERK made mistake !! The music stoped (5/6 minutes) and starting again... Well, the robots do not perfects ... THANKS KRAFTWERK !!!!!!!!! Eduardo Monteiro Colatina/ES 97 FM (please: if you is brazilian, contact me !) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "97fm" <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) CDs & videos for sale Date: 18 Oct 1998 19:21:08 -0200 Hi ! I have copies of the Tribal Gathering concert for sale (CD) (Numbers, Computer World, Radio-activity, Musique non stop and others) Price: U$ 25,00 (includes shipping) Vídeo: Live at Belgique (14 -11 -91) Price: U$ 30,00 If interested, contact me: 97fm@colatina.com.br Eduardo Monteiro # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "97fm" <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) CDs & videos for sale Date: 18 Oct 1998 19:21:08 -0200 Hi ! I have copies of the Tribal Gathering concert for sale (CD) (Numbers, Computer World, Radio-activity, Musique non stop and others) Price: U$ 25,00 (includes shipping) Vídeo: Live at Belgique (14 -11 -91) Price: U$ 30,00 If interested, contact me: 97fm@colatina.com.br Eduardo Monteiro # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Subject: (kw) Hmmm.. Date: 18 Oct 1998 19:13:30 -0400 Some person just sent me this message out of the blue; >the NEW kraftwerk DOUBLE cd will be released next april. cd two is a re >working of old krafterk material including NEW versions of tracks >included on 1990's Mix album. 5 tracks already released on the mix have >been totally reworked, two of them - "Pocket Calculator" and "Computer >Love" will be released as a single, the other three will be released on >the second cd of the new album. i have heard them all and can confirm >that they will not dissappint. Interesting spelling?? regards, andrew from ze computer welt http://www.angelfire.com/nj/groovethang # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Hmmm.. Date: 18 Oct 1998 17:46:03 -0600 (MDT) On Sun, 18 Oct 1998, Andrew wrote: > Some person just sent me this message out of the blue; > >the NEW kraftwerk DOUBLE cd will be released next april. cd two is a re > >working of old krafterk material including NEW versions of tracks > >included on 1990's Mix album. 5 tracks already released on the mix have > >been totally reworked, two of them - "Pocket Calculator" and "Computer > >Love" will be released as a single, the other three will be released on > >the second cd of the new album. i have heard them all and can confirm > >that they will not dissappint. Wonderful. More rumors. :( /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin" Subject: (kw) spacenight IV cd Date: 19 Oct 1998 03:25:39 +0200 a month ago it was mentioned on the list that "spacenight" will release a new compilation including a brandnew kraftwerk track. unfortunatelly there is only a remix by "anthony roother" on the cd. here is the tracklist: http://www.br-online.de/wissenschaft/spacenight/shop/cd4.html Martin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Barth" Subject: RE: (kw) Hmmm.. Date: 19 Oct 1998 10:19:13 +0100 I've heard this one before: > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Andrew > Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 12:14 AM > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) Hmmm ..... > >the NEW kraftwerk DOUBLE cd will be released next april. The first of april??? Regards, Erik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Bryant Subject: (kw) Off Topic Date: 19 Oct 1998 09:56:00 +0100 Can anyone tell me which Neu album Hallogallo is on? Please mail me privately. 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Morgan" Subject: (kw) Tribute to kraftwerk Date: 19 Oct 1998 13:48:35 +0100 Just noticed that Virgin Megastore have bought in a large number of the Marc et Claude "Tribute to Kraftwerk". It's an import at £6.99. The record company have no plans give it a UK release as yet so only way of getting it outside of Germany is via import. For those of you that have not heard it, it really is fab and dare I say it even better than K******** ! but that's just my opinion. : ) cheers from Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fredrik Skeppholm Subject: (kw) Strange coverversions of KW Date: 19 Oct 1998 14:43:42 +0200 Is it anybody out there that keeps track of more or less known cover = versions of KW? In Sweden we have this really well known rock and blues-artist called = Mats Ronander, that sometime during the 80=B4s recorded a really = weird version of the classic evergreen "Neon lights", to be found on = an album called "Reality", which basically contains really mainstream = rock/pop-tracks with English lyrics. My question is simply enough; = How come? What was the reason for this rock and blues-artist to = record this track in the first place? Not that I blame him, I mean it = is a brilliant track even if I without doubts prefer the original. = Maybe Mats Ronander is secretly holding on to a complete = Kraftwerk-record collection and this was his humble tribute to the = true masters of electronica # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Electric Bartos Date: 19 Oct 1998 12:36:56 +0200 Yes for the umpteenth time, a comment about the Electric Music LP! On issue 48 (October 1996!!) of Future Music magazine Karl Bartos said th= e following: "I've just started the next Elektric Music album ... I've just written the tracks and it is similar to the stuff that is on the Electron= ic album: more pop than intelligent overdrive! [(sic)] It feels happy!" Of note, this premeditated album is more rock-based in many places than you might expect from Karl Bartos. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Electronic Date: 19 Oct 1998 15:19:47 +0200 To whom can interest. The third album by Electronic (Bernard Sumner and Johnny Marr) has alrea= dy title ("Twisted Tenderness") and release date, january. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timour JGENTI Subject: Re: (kw) Tribute to kraftwerk (another one, from Japan) Date: 19 Oct 1998 16:37:50 +0200 > Just noticed that Virgin Megastore have bought in a large number of the Marc > et Claude "Tribute to Kraftwerk". It's an import at £6.99. The record > company have no plans give it a UK release as yet so only way of getting it > outside of Germany is via import. For those of you that have not heard it, > it really is fab and dare I say it even better than K******** ! BTW there's another tribute out there called "Musique Non Stop" made by several Japanese artists... well, I bought it and was really disappointed by such a poor production. There's some sense of humour though in these ridiculous cover versions, "radioactivity made" me laugh quite a lot. The only really interesting cover from this CD is IMHO "Europe Endless" made like a kind of oriental traditional music.... perhaps soon I'll put 1 or 2 .mp3 online for fun :) cheers, Tim -- Timour JGENTI ________________________________________________ _______________ timour.jgenti@ifp.fr _______________ http://www.mygale.org/~timlcf/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: (kw) KRAFTWERK Sudamerika 98 Date: 19 Oct 1998 12:50:30 +0400 Hi to all!! Yes, KRAFTWERK Sudamerika 98 IS the OFFICIAL name of the tour... How do I know it? From a photocopy of the KW's playlist sent to the Free Jazz organization!!! A lot of mistakes happened on all the concerts - Buenos Aires (12.10), Rio de Janeiro (16.10 - less mistakes), and Sao Paulo (17.10 - almost no mistakes)... I've got really A LOT to tell you, and a lot of material to put on-line - images, autographs (YES!!!! except Hutter's :-< ), etc.. etc.. ... My great friend Nicolau Centola also will be putting a lot on his 'excellent' KW site, as soon as he can (surely first than me!) !! Everything (maybe including some mp3s!) will be put on my "BraKA - The Brazilian Kraftwerk Archives" at http://members.tripod.com/~Braka - but unfortunatelly that will happen only after next Sunday (24.10.98), as I will have to travel (again!) to a Music Congress outside my town this week, and it will be (again!) election time for Governor of Sao Paulo... Please be patience and you will not be disappointed with the most IN-DEPTH and complete concert reviews of Sudamerika!!! For now, a big embrace to all, AVELLAR. Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. * http://members.tripod.com/~AVELLAR - under construction! * mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "HERNAN BALDI" Subject: (kw) Argentina concert Date: 18 Oct 1998 17:30:46 PDT Hi! Nobody talks about Argentina concert! We were there. The show (october 12th)included the same tracks like Brazil. It was amazing, but there was a little problem: the begginig of Numbers appeared twice (in the fifth track! I dont remember) It didnt have very much difussion, they didnt give interviews or anything for the local media. We have a recording in tape of the show... soon available at your request!!!!!! hernan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Luca Dassi" Subject: Italian Liras (Was: OFF TOPIC FW: (kw) Playstation) Date: 19 Oct 1998 09:09:54 +0200 >Anybody know what a lira is worth in US dollars? >I've got 2- 500 lira coins (2 color - pretty) and a 50 lira. >Chump change or valuable? Sorry, but 1050 ITL is actually less than 1$.... You'd better keep the nice "metal on metal" 500 coins but beware, on Jan 1st, 2001 they'll lose their monetary value due to the (almost) pan-european introduction of the new "Euro" value. Ciao, *Luca* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Johnson Subject: (kw) Japanese LP's - I stand corrected. Date: 19 Oct 1998 11:02:46 -0700 After Gunthers email of a few days ago straightening out the Japanese LP OBI situation, I need to make a correction. I had suggested that I had a copy of Kraftwerk 2 with pictures and a Japanese bio on the back. Since there is no "2" on the front, I didn't check to make sure, but yup, it was Kraftwerk 2 instead. So I don't have a copy of Kraftwerk 1 to refer to, but thought I had, I have Kraftwerk 2 instead. Sorry if anyone was mislead. -Keith J. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Victor Subject: (kw) Picture of Kraftwerk Date: 19 Oct 1998 18:16:33 -0200 See picture of Kraftwerk playing Pocket Calculator in Free Jazz 98 Rio de Janeiro http://www.urbi.com.br/users/vmiranda Click in Kraftwerk picture. -- Victor Miranda vmiranda@urbi.com.br http://www.urbi.com.br/users/vmiranda # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Victor Subject: (kw) Picture of Kraftwerk Date: 19 Oct 1998 18:28:31 -0200 See picture of Kraftwerk playing Pocket Calculator in Free Jazz 98 Rio de Janeiro http://www.urbi.com.br/users/vmiranda Click in Kraftwerk picture. -- Victor Miranda vmiranda@urbi.com.br # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "angelo" Subject: (kw) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:19:09 -0200 Date: 19 Oct 1998 20:19:37 -0600 You See the my homepage what have=20 News from the show of Kraftwerk in Rio/Brasil in Museum of Modern Art. The Page is only in Portuguese Language! You visit it!!! Visite minha homepage que tem novidades sobre o Show do Kraftwerk no Rio/Brasil no museu de arte Moderna. A p=E1gina est=E1 somente em l=EDngua portugues= a! Visite-a!!! Miguel Angelo. angelo@urbi.com.br http://www.urbi.com.br/users/angelo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) Where to find 'Housephone' Date: 20 Oct 1998 10:42:44 +0100 (CET) Hi, On which boot is this rare track available? I'm also searching for the German version of 'Tour de France'. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) UK magazines Date: 20 Oct 1998 12:48:25 +0000 Some KW-related items appearing in UK magazines this month: The cover of the October issue of 'Music Mart' depicts BBC Radio 1 DJs Mark Radcliffe and Lard posing in red shirts and black ties, carrying a home keyboard; obviously taken from their recent Kraftwerk parody (which I haven't heard). The October issue of 'The Wire' (music magazine) is awash with passing mentions of Kraftwerk (mostly as a point of comparison for other bands). I noticed six different references, the most interesting being in an interview with electroacoustic composer Bernard Parmegiani: "I must admit that I don't listen to techno or pop music... I know that there were a few interesting experiments a while back, by German groups such as Kraftwerk, and at the time of Pink Floyd, but I don't know how these groups have evolved. A certain type of music can be interesting at a certain period in time, but then it can stagnate and three years later it will no longer be of ny interest." A video of Fritz Lang's 'Metropolis' is free with the current issue of 'Neon', a film (movie) magazine. It's billed as being the most complete version yet. K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) OMD's Obituary Date: 20 Oct 1998 11:23:00 +0200 OMD released on Monday, October 19th, 1998 -20 years ago since their 1st concert- their musical farewell "The Singles Collection", that contains their remastered and remixed hits. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Strange coverversions of KW Date: 20 Oct 1998 14:00:24 +0200 Fredrik Skeppholm wrote: > Is it anybody out there that keeps track of more or less known cover=20 > versions of KW? Some covers from Sweden: Since late May 1993 it was available on the second disc on the double-CD "D=FCsseldorf Nachtexpress", the following covers by Transformator Statio= n: "Radioaktivit=E4t", "Spiegelsaal", "Trans-Europe Express", "The Robots", "Pocket Calculator", "T.E.E. / TGV / D=FCsseldorf Nachtexpress (Trafo songs)", "It's More Fun To Compute" and "Autobanh / RUHR". There is another 2CD dedicated to KRAFTWERK titled "Krafty Move: An electronic tribute to Kraftwerk" published by Energy Rekords (ERCD 111) that contains: CD1- Axiome "Geiger Counter", Welle : Erdball "Der Telefon Anruf", Tragic Comedy "Autobahn", Trylok "Radioactivity", Thee Hyphen "Showroom Dummies", Black Wedding "Taschenrechner", XCR "The Man Machine"= , Psyche "Antenna", !Aiboforcen "Numbers", Laura Effect "Computer Love", Ionic Vision "Tour de France", P.O.D. "Die Roboter", Fading Colours "Meta= l On Metal", Data Bank A "Radioactivity", Xingu Hill "Electric Cafe". CD2- Apoptygma Berzerk "Ohm Sweet Ohm", Leaether Strip "Showroom Dummies", Cradle Of Spoil "Computerliebe", Fiction 8 "Radioactivity", Pierrepoint "Musik Non Stop", Index "The Model", Mental Conquest "Spacelab", The Shining "The Telephone Call", Inertia "Tour de France", Nigra Nebula "Das Modell", Battery "Uranium", Limbo "Trans Europa Express", Imminent Starvation "Tanzmusik". And other Swedish electro band named Spacelab.:-) Can you, please, (werkers from Sweden) answer me a pair of questions: Somebody wrote in this KwList: "In a Summer's day on Swedish radio P1, Thomas =D6berg from Bob Hund (Swedish for Bob Dog) ended the program with= "a song from the best group in the World - Kraftwerk". Has Bob Hund made a Kw cover? DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Luis Silviano Marka Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in Brazil Date: 20 Oct 1998 12:58:07 -0400 Hi all, As I am new to the list (got only one digest message so far), don't know if it was already posted. Anyway... After the Brazilian Kraftwerk show, the guys themselves signed this guestbook (beginning at record # 133): http://saturn.guestworld.tripod.lycos.com/wgb/wgbview.dbm?owner=marcosvicente I was right in front of Ralf, and the show was just perfect. I couldn't hold the tears in "Radioactivity"... I am used to recording studios, but the sight of Kling Klang is still quite impressive: huge, powerful, organized, clean, germanic to extremes. For someone who has never been in a studio before, must be an out-of-this-world vision. And the performance of "Robots", without the artists themselves, is a deep, meaningful denial of everything the show business has been preaching and teaching over the whole rock/pop history. It's the minimalism taken to extremes, to its last consequences. Just perfect! Peace, Luis Marka mola@twb.com.br # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nowhere000@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) OMD's Obituary Date: 20 Oct 1998 11:04:56 EDT (sniff..sniff) Im sure Ralf & Florian are going to peices. Anyone See the Ae gig in ny Sat? they were pretty neat. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Corchado Subject: (kw) Poll: Results Date: 20 Oct 1998 11:22:39 +0000 (GMT) Here are the results of the Poll. -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- SONGS ----- Votes Notes Autobahn (original) ............................ 3 Trans-Europe Express ........................... 3 (1) =20 Radioactivity .................................. 2 (2) It's more fun to compute ....................... 2 1 vote: Numbers, boing boom tschak/techno pop/music non stop, radiosterne, The Model, Ruckzuck, Homecomputer (Mix version), Tour de France (Fran=E7ois= e=20 Kevorkian remix), Sex Object, Die Roboter, Computer World, Computerlove Notes: (1) 2 votes to "Trans-Europe Express", 1 vote to "Trans-Europa Express". (2) 1 vote to the "Radiactivity" album version, 1 vote to "The Mix" version= =2E ALBUM ----- Votes Notes Computer World ................................. 8 Trans-Europe Express ........................... 6 (1) The Man Machine ................................ 4 (2) Electric Cafe .................................. 3 Radioactivity .................................. 2 The Mix ........................................ 2 Autobahn ....................................... 1 Notes: (1) 3 votes to "Trans-Europe Express", 3 votes to "Trans-Europa Express". (2) 3 votes to "The Man Machine", 1 vote to "Die Mensch Maschine". -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- As a personal note, I like to see that the votes are quite spread between their whole post-Autobahn era; no clear winner. Then again, it can be due to the small amount of votes. Thank you very much to all the participants. Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Poll: Results Date: 20 Oct 1998 17:43:56 +0000 At 11:22 am +0000 20/10/98, Jose Corchado wrote: >ALBUM >----- > Votes Notes >Computer World ................................. 8 >Trans-Europe Express ........................... 6 (1) >The Man Machine ................................ 4 (2) The winner is no surprise, but it's notable that the other traditional favourite ( http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/recordings.html#best ), The Man-Machine, now lags behind TEE. But as Jose says, the number of votes was small (strange, considering how much noise the subject generated before a proper poll was conducted!) so this may be anomalous. K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nowhere000@aol.com Subject: (kw) KraftVideo in South America Date: 20 Oct 1998 11:04:52 EDT Anyone here get to video the Buenos Aires show? Some people said that they seen a guy near florians sektor of the stage with a little digital cam was it one of you list lurkers? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "conny.annica" Subject: (kw) Re: bob hund, was: Strange coverversions of KW Date: 20 Oct 1998 18:44:44 +0200 > Has Bob Hund made a Kw cover? AFAIK bob hund (sic) has never released any Kraftwerk covers. Though there is perhaps an indistict KW reference in their song "Düsseldorf". However, the singer of bob hund - Thomas Öberg - once was a member of the band Oven & Stove, a band that sometimes appeared live as Smart Patrol, playing nothing but DEVO covers. Thomas Öberg is also the singer of Instant Life, a band that...oh, I'm sorry, I digress... Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Claudio Falaschini" Subject: Re: (kw) KraftVideo in South America Date: 20 Oct 1998 15:22:55 -0300 Was not a VIDEO cam, only photos. At least that is all i know # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Luca Dassi" Subject: R: (kw) Kraftwerk in Brazil Date: 20 Oct 1998 18:59:42 +0200 >After the Brazilian Kraftwerk show, the guys themselves signed this >guestbook (beginning at record # 133): Do you mean that KW themselves after the concert entered your website (probably using a Doepfer MB-100 Modular Browser) and wrote these dubiously spelled sentences? Come on.... >Name: Fritz.Hilpert >Comments: thank youto the brasilian Autobahns >Name: henning.schmitz >Comments: music non stop >Name: ralf hutter >Comments: la musica ideas portara i sempre continuara non stop >Name: florian schneider >Comments: vielen Dank es ist sehr schoen hier in Brasilien die schoensten Frauen >senoritas f... BTW I'll try to contact my good ol' pal Elvis and convince him to sign your guestbook too.... Ciao, *Luca* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "lupuz yonderboy" Subject: (kw) japanese and rare releases... Date: 20 Oct 1998 12:01:39 PDT Hi my name is Nils i'm quite new to this list. and i've seen that there's alot of questions where to get japanese versions and stuff like that. there is a site on the internet named "Esprit" which sells extreamly rare, limited, and such things with kraftwerk, the adress to their site is: http://eil.com their catalog is on 1058 pages! for example they've got : KRAFTWERK Klang Box 101 (UK promo-only 4 x 12" box set incl Trans Europe Express, Numbers, Musique Non Stop and Homecomputer 12"s each in custom p/s inside black box, only 200 made KLANG-BOX-101) UK 350.00 / $ 564.00 check it out if you're planning to buy some rare kw material :) bye. nils. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carlos Jose Quinteiro Subject: R: (kw) Kraftwerk in Brazil Date: 20 Oct 1998 17:22:56 -0300 Dear Luca; I was just beside Florian when he was putting his message in the guestbook. In the convivence area of the Festival there's a lot of terminals to the public, and he navigated in the Internet there for a few moments. He was in a very animated mood... when he started to write in German, all the people sayed "Ahhhh....", and he looked laughing to all of us!! I don't see Ralph signing the guestbook, but he signed a *LOT* of autographs (to me included)...he stayed half a hour just doing it and talking with the public. Fritz and Herman also stayed in one of the bar-rooms, giving autographs and talking to everybody...resuming, here in Sao Paulo the guys was *very* friendly!! =8-)) Bye!! ************************************************ Carlos Jose Quinteiro carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br Rua Frei Caneca 11 ap. 21 01307-001 Sao Paulo SP Brasil ************************************************ begin 600 winmail.dat M>)\^(@44`0:0"``$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y`0```````#H``$(@`<` M&````$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`06``P`.````S@<*`!0` M$0`6`#@``@!4`0$@@`,`#@```,X'"@`4`!$`%P`#``(`(`$!"8`!`"$````Q M145$,#`R1#$T-CA$,C$Q031#-C`P.#`U1D$V1$-#,0`C!P$$@`$`'````%(Z M("AK=RD@2W)A9G1W97)K(&EN($)R87II;``K"0$-@`0``@````(``@`!`Y`& M`/P&```A`````P`F```````#`#8```````(!"1`!````6P,``%<#``"4!0`` M3%I&=0:0YP($Y&&:$',`.@=V@)\""S(B`@ M@W!U`D`+@&`L)J!N9")2\RG`)C!G81>P*R`+@"23 MNR60*7%N$L`D.!H0(`(0O2C"9@?1!&`'@`(P@"L`KTBH1=P40%[`L`FY'*8$`<"KA;"?C(L!E M9F\+4#'A87D)@`J%(LQ!:#61,.$N(BKG&:#G)5`KX0M@=6L#8`-P0?2"#*B_"/4`# M4`B0*Q!L`GDX<2`]."TI*7T?G$(TT#AP'YP+1A3B,;XV4-@+&1.R`=!2/'$` MX'M1;U)R*E9/5U]8.U)%0S<*P!F@!"!*6?`A<%%U>PN`%[!I`V!211]@6=)` M@Q\`!Y!P+F9G=EP1Y&)R4D52=2;@1$!:P.=9H2S0'V`@,1[0/?`E<`0R,5)% M,#$S,#>\+3!?,$[03$E?T5!/MOL]X`"0;%7?8J]COUD)4D4%&3$`9C```P`" M60(````>`'```0```!P```!2.B`H:W`#%``0````<```!#05),3U,```,`&D``````'@`P0`$` M```'````0T%23$]3```#`!E```````,`_3_D!````@%'``$````P````8SU" M4CMA/49'5CMP/45!15-0.VP]14%%4U!.5"TY.#$P,C`R,#(R-39:+3,P,S@` M`@'Y/P$```!+`````````-RG0,C`0A`:M+D(`"LOX8(!`````````"]//45! M15-0(%]&1U8O3U4]14%%4U`O0TX]4D5#25!)14Y44R]#3CU#05),3U,``!X` M^#\!````%@```$-A`#40`0```#@````\.30Y1#DY0S%$,$1"1#$Q,4$T.3`P,#@P M-49!-D1#0S$X-D$T,35`96%E Subject: RE: R: (kw) Kraftwerk in Brazil Date: 20 Oct 1998 21:43:14 +0200 Well, it seems like we've got a new member in KW! I'd prefer a new record... /Joakim > -----Original Message----- .... Fritz and Herman also stayed in one of the bar-rooms... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenneth Kingshott Subject: (kw) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: 13 Oct 1998 11:44:17 +0100 I don't know if any of you have seen it, but there's a new book out about Kraftwerk. It's called 'Kraftwerk: From Dusseldorf To The Future (With Love)' and it's by Tim Barr. I bought it the other day and I must say it's brilliant. There's a particularly good section on Kraftwerk's tour of India and lots of good stuff about the early days. Has anyone else got this book yet? And if so, what do you think? Also, does anyone have any of the South American/Japanese concerts on CD yet? Let me know if any are for sale. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk in Brazil Date: 20 Oct 1998 22:26:37 +0200 -----Mensaje original----- De: Luis Silviano Marka >After the Brazilian Kraftwerk show, the guys themselves signed this >guestbook (beginning at record # 133): >http://saturn.guestworld.tripod.lycos.com/wgb/wgbview.dbm?owner=marcosvicen te > Any guy could translate this Florian comment ? comments : vielen Dank es ist sehr schoen hier in Brasilien die schoensten Frauen senoritas f... Thanx ! Juan Prieto - MuSiK musik@cheerful.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk in Brazil Date: 20 Oct 1998 22:38:41 +0200 Well, the sentence is not complete, but it's something like: "Thank you very much, it's very nice here in Brazil, the most beautiful Ladies ladies ..." /Joakim -----Original Message----- Any guy could translate this Florian comment ? comments : vielen Dank es ist sehr schoen hier in Brasilien die schoensten Frauen senoritas f... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: blobe <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) Orbital Date: 20 Oct 1998 17:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Wahrscheinlich wird der Haupttrack "Stylophon" sein. "Stylophon" - that sounds a bit Kraftwerk-ish to me ;-)! >Maybe it's a remix of a new Kraftwerk track or so? The Stylophone is a small (pocket-size) organ made in the '60's & '70's in England by a company called Dubreq. it featured a small keyboard made out of a copper plate and keys were "painted" on it (to separate the pitch areas). It was played with a pen-like-stylus, by touching a sertain area of the copper plate it would produce a specific (rather horrific) pitch. they are rather rare, but still attainable for about +/- $100. it has been rumored that kraftwerk played one (on "ohm sweet ohm", perhaps?). does this have anything to do with the orbital single? lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Brazilian concerts report - part 1 Date: 20 Oct 1998 22:42:45 -0200 Well, I was a little crazy until last weekend... you know why! So I could only write to the list now. I will try to tell about the most important things happened here in Brazil. 1. The official name of the tour is Kraftwerk S=FCdamerika 1998. I got an official set list. Tango has no name. It's credited only like Airwaves. Tribal song is called Tribal Gathering. Sellafield 2 is credited like Sellafield. The intro voice is credited like Ansage/Introduction. 2. Multishow, a brazilian cable network, broadcasted the following songs: TEE (from the middle), Robots and Musique Non Stop. I don't have the video yet, but I know it exists. 3. I saw the Soundcheck at Rio de Janeiro. It was an unforgetable experience. Imagine the four guys playing just for me at the first row! No photos allowed. They played Autobahn, Musique Non Stop, Pocket Calculator and Radioactivity (just parts). At PC, all of them, except Ralf, sat in the border of the stage and played their machines moving their legs according the song!! A beautiful image!! Like three kids playing with their toys... 4. After the soundcheck, Florian, Fritz and Henning went to a bar in the public space of the festival, called Free Village, to drink some coffe. I was at this bar drinking a beer and didn't believe it!! The three in front of me!! I asked for a sign at my discs to Florian and Henning. Fritz said: after the concert. 5. After this, a journalist, friend of mine, came to me and said: Is this KW? She work at Multishow station, and came with a camera-man ask to Florian for an interview. And he accept it!!!! She made an interview with him, but he only answered with yes, no or maybe. There's a tape of this too... Of course I took a lot of pics... soon at my site. The other two run away. 6. The correct setlist for both concerts is: Ansage - Numbers - Computerworld - Home Computer - Man Machine - Tour de France - Autobahn - Model - Airwaves/Tango - Sellafield 2/Radioactivity - TEE - Pocket Calculator - Robots - Tribal/MNS The difference was that in Sao Paulo there was no mistakes. In Rio, there was three: One in the middle of Autobahn, everything stopped for a while, and them they finished the song around 5 minutes. At the beggining of Radioactivity, the video and voice of Sellafield start from the middle. They wait until the end and them started Radiocativity again. At TEE, the main sound stopped and just stage sound could be heared. Fritz stand both arms like saying... It happens! And the sound sync again at the beggining of Abzug. 7. After Rio gig, Florian walked again alone in the Free Village. 8. After Sao Paulo concert, all of them walked at Free Village and gave a lot of autographs. Ralf stopped in front of some computers and surf in a brazilian site of KW (I don't know which one - it was not mine!!) 9. Ralf really chat, but EMI Brazil told me they used a laptop to chat, and the operator was so slow, so he could not answer so many questions. 10. They didn't play Dentaku. Ralf sang Tachenrechner at second part. 11. Florian was here with his daughter, but he liked very much the brazilian women. I saw him "more than" talking with two... 12. Tuersday, they went to some brazilian clubs at night in Rio. A guy who was conducting them told me he asked Ralf about the new record and he told it will release next year, and it is completely recorded now. 13. Ralf watched a little bit of Massive Attack concert in Sao Paulo, drinking a beer. That's all for now. When I remember another things, i write again, Any question? Tonight I will update my site with some reports from Rio, a scanner of the set list, transcription of the live chat and two pics: one from Florian interview and other from Autobahn (Rio). My complete report will be available only next week. peace Nicolau http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Concert reports Date: 20 Oct 1998 23:10:38 -0200 This one is for our friends from Brazil and South America: Gostaria de pedir para quem quisesse me mandar um relato sobre algum dos shows do KW na Am=E9rica do Sul (Buenos Aires, Rio ou Sao Paulo). eu tere= i um imenso prazer em disponibiliza-los no minha p=E1gina. Afinal, =E9 muit= o importante que tenhamos v=E1rios pontos de vista sobre os shows. Materiai= s como fotos ou aut=F3grafos tamb=E9m ser=E3o bem vindos. Claro que colocar= ei cr=E9ditos para quem me enviar fotos. Espero contar com a ajuda de voc=EAs. um abra=E7o Nicolau http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Captain Punctuation Subject: Re: R: (kw) Kraftwerk in Brazil Date: 20 Oct 1998 20:44:31 -0000 I've got Stevie Ray Vaughn, Richie Valens and Buddy Holly on my guestbook. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: (kw) KW Tour Date: 21 Oct 1998 01:16:20 -0400 I was just thinking... KW has been touring all around the world...does anyone know if they appeared in Germany? Or Austria for that matter... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) kw languages, favorite KW song Date: 21 Oct 1998 01:20:46 +0100 >thought they were saying "The Uvula"(the little danglely thing in the >back of your throat) for "Computer Love." I also thought they were >saying "Three Thousand Rotos" instead of "We are the Robots." well, maybe it was already cited there, but it should exist a site called www.kissthisguy.com, a site by a guy that heard a song of Jimi Hendrix (an american player of electrified version of the analong instrument called guitar of the late sixties) titled "Wait a moment while I kiss the sky", and believed for a long time that the words were "... while I kiss this guy". in this ironical site many similar cases are listed. (yes, it's an answer to a very old mex, but I jave a huge backlog to sort through!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: RE: (kw) and the reviews?... Date: 21 Oct 1998 00:43:29 +0100 >Check the *excellent* *excellent* Nicolau's Centola Web Site >http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html >> come on, you latinoamerican firends, or are you just too dazed? :-) >Hey, we sent some reviews to the list! They are in the Nicolau Web Site. that's very nice and I will check it ASAP, but my problem is that I have a very shot access to the web, in which I only get and send email and newsgroup mexs. could someone post the text on the list? or email them to me? many thanks! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Ky2k? was Re: (kw) My Kraftwerk Experience Date: 21 Oct 1998 00:47:27 +0100 >- Are you releasing a new album anytime soon? > >to which he [Ralf] answered: > >- The next album will be released before the next millenium. mmmh... did the y2k theme come out in our discussions about the next K album? the millennium theme? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: RE: (kw) Languages Date: 21 Oct 1998 01:08:32 +0100 >Robots Italian version I never heard. yes, I never heard it too, neither live in Italy. and if translated closely the text will sound terrible in music. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adrian Waterfield" Subject: Re: (kw) Orbital Date: 21 Oct 1998 09:32:23 +0100 Wahrscheinlich wird der Haupttrack "Stylophon" sein. "Stylophon" - that sounds a bit Kraftwerk-ish to me ;-)! >Maybe it's a remix of a new Kraftwerk track or so? The Stylophone is a small (pocket-size) organ made in the '60's & '70's in England by a company called Dubreq. it featured a small keyboard made out of a copper plate and keys were "painted" on it (to separate the pitch areas). It was played with a pen-like-stylus, by touching a sertain area of the copper plate it would produce a specific (rather horrific) pitch. they are rather rare, but still attainable for about +/- $100. it has been rumored that kraftwerk played one (on "ohm sweet ohm", perhaps?). does this have anything to do with the orbital single? lenny g 100$ !!!!.... I still have a working Stylophone from my childhood days. PS whats that in £££'s I tried to sell it at a Car Boot sale a couple of years back and no-one even looked at it. Someone make me an offer please!! Do you remember Rolf Harris doing the advertising for it. Comedy Classic. I used to have a Rolf Harris Tunebook for it but that has been lost to the mists of time. Cheers Ade W. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Volker Glave Subject: Re: (kw) and the reviews?... Date: 21 Oct 1998 10:41:57 +0200 lbo, you can do this by yourself using email only, though not very comfortably. Here two ways: 1. Mail to agora@kamakura.mss.co.jp with no subject(!) and in the body you write send http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html 2. Mail to w3mail@gmd.de, again with no subject and in the body you write get http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html - or - get -img http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html to get images, too. The pages are then going to be send to you, but wait a while since it will take some time (a few minutes up to one day :-)). You can find exact informations on this topic in a document "Accessing the Internet by E-Mail" on several places on the internet. Es wird immer weitergeh'n ... Volker # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: RE: R: (kw) Kraftwerk in Brazil Date: 21 Oct 1998 11:13:02 +0200 >I've got Stevie Ray Vaughn, Richie Valens and Buddy Holly on my guestbook. > Kraftwerk are still alive !!!! They could sign a guestbook ... if their were in a chat, why not? >. He was in a very animated mood... >when he started to write in German, all the people sayed >"Ahhhh....", and he looked laughing to all of us!! >I don't see Ralph signing the guestbook, but he signed >a *LOT* of autographs (to me included)... Hi, Carlos Jose ! Colud you put this autograph on line ? Juan Prieto - MuSiK musik@cheerful.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: R: (kw) Kraftwerk in Brazil Date: 21 Oct 1998 12:00:11 +0800 Captain Punctuation wrote: > > I've got Stevie Ray Vaughn, Richie Valens and Buddy Holly on my guestbook. > Yep, I've got Lord Lucan and Jack the Ripper in mine........ ;-P Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Videos Date: 21 Oct 1998 13:45:35 +0200 Please, has anybody able to tape me the videos from Yamo and Elektric Mus= ic and perhaps Electric Music and also some of KW videos I do not have? In return I offer you a swap for any video or CD recording of my trade list. Mail me privately. TIA. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk Consoles: What's inside? Date: 21 Oct 1998 13:39:04 +0200 On Friday 16 October 1998 22:18 G. Benedikt Rochow wrote: > I think it's probably about tiem again that the meaning of > some words is pointed out... >=20 > > According to Doepfer it seems KW have assistanced to develop > > modular sinthesizers and analogic sequencers from Doepfer. The band > > uses the modular system A-100, MAQ 16/3, MMR4/4, Schaltwerk, Regelwer= k, > > Sonderversionen master keyboards (modifizierte LMK2 mit 61 Fasten) an= d > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ > "special versions" That's _T_asten (keys) >=20 > > Sonderanfertigung minikeyboards (during "Poket Calculator"). All > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > "custom-built" I read this info on Aktivitaet Update number 7 (vol. 2) March 1998. And according to it this was printed in Doepfer's website. Any other opinion about this? > > of them used during this tour. >=20 >=20 > Obviously, neither "Sonderversionen" nor "Sonderanfertigung" are specif= ic > product names. (Thanks for correcting the "Donder" which someone else > mistyped, and which has been quoted in mail a lot recently :) >=20 > -gbr > now playing: Abzug (77) (I need to change over to 'Numbers'; I'm > working on a math unit of the next Fastest Processor in the World :) DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) ZKM soundcheck Date: 21 Oct 1998 13:36:39 +0200 Yesterday I overhauled the Aktivit=E4t Update sheets and found the follow= ing info about KW concerts on October 1997 at Karlsruhe: "Apparently KW performed a further two previously unreleased songs at the soundcheck for the Karlsruhe concert, bringing the total number of new tracks performed that year to five. The tracklisting for the Karlsruhe soundcheck was reported as: Nummern, Computerwelt, Heimcomputer, Die Mensch Maschine, Completely new song 1, Autobahn, Completely new song 2, Radioactivity, Second new song from the concert". Has, please, anybody able to tape me this soundcheck? DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Tribute to kraftwerk (another one, from Japan) Date: 21 Oct 1998 13:34:03 +0200 Hello On Monday October 19th 1998 17:31 Timour JGENTI wrote: > BTW there's another tribute out there called "Musique Non Stop" > made by several Japanese artists... well, I bought it and was > really disappointed by such a poor production. There's some > sense of humour though in these ridiculous cover versions, > "radioactivity made" me laugh quite a lot. The only really > interesting cover from this CD is IMHO "Europe Endless" > made like a kind of oriental traditional music.... Please, can you tell me more details about this item (catalogue number, label released, etc.) Thanks in advance. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Future Music Top Ten Date: 20 Oct 1998 18:43:44 +0200 On a DJ Top Ten favorite songs poll on Future Music magazine issue 17 (Ju= ne 98), Carl Craig votes for Home Computer in second place as his better tracks in the whole music history. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Yamo 'Future Music' remix competition results to appear on CD Date: 21 Oct 1998 13:35:45 +0200 On Thursday October 15th 1998 21:45 Ian Calder wrote: >Earlier this year, 'Future Music' magazine featured and interview with >Wolfgang Fluer. On the accompanying CD elements of the Yamo track >'Mosquito' were available with the open invitation for fans to remix the >track and forward entries to Future Music as part of a competition. The >four winners of the remix competition are now presented on the CD that >accompanies the November issue of the magazine, which will be on sale fr= om >October 19th, cover price =A34.50. In fact it was the June issue. Apparently Wolfgang said he has "something special" lined up for the winner. What is it? The "featuring" on the accompanying free CD? DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Where to find 'Housephone' Date: 21 Oct 1998 15:05:58 +0200 Arnaud de Bonald wrote: > On which boot is this rare track available? "Sch=F6ne Neue Welt - Remix, Remodel" CD (Ping Pong, num. cat. 9401) contains Housephone/The Telephone Call (7" Remix). The front has a photo of the band circa "The Man Machine" period, standing on a staircase in a red shirts etc. The back cover photo is a "fish-eye" lens pic of the Man Machine dummies in front of their respective fluorescent name boxes and instruments, all in front of a "Man Machine" backdrop, at one of the promotional launches for the LP back in 1978. The CD disc itself has the wire-framed heads (back view) from the "Electric Cafe" era printed on it. Also there is a bootleg CD called "Japan Tokyo 8.9.81 / Utrecht Vredenbur= g 12.10.81" (Sonic Cover Record, RT1099KR) that in CD2: Utrecht contains Th= e Telephone Call (Housephone). > I'm also searching for the German version of 'Tour de France'. "Toccata Electronica" lists "Tour de France" (original German 1983 KlingKlang version), but in fact is actually the 1984 remix! You can find the German version of 'Tour de France' in "Werke" (Westwood One-Rarities On Compact Disc vol. 55), one of the better bootleg CD's tha= t have appeared in quite some time. The tracks featured on this CD are all official Kw items, not DJ remixes or live material. The tracklisting contains: Tour de France (1983 German 12" version, 6.44), Housephone (4.5= 4) and also Sex Object (Spanish version, 6.48). The sleeve design features t= he familiar Kw traffic cone logo, coloured green. The disc was released in early 1996. I hope this helps. BTW, has anybody this bootleg to swap it or a copy available for taping i= t to me and swap for any CD recording of my trade list? Please, e-mail to automat@nexo.es. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Future Music Top Ten Date: 20 Oct 1998 18:43:44 +0200 On a DJ Top Ten favorite songs poll on Future Music magazine issue 17 (Ju= ne 98), Carl Craig votes for Home Computer in second place as his better tracks in the whole music history. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Yamo 'Future Music' remix competition results to appear on CD Date: 21 Oct 1998 13:35:45 +0200 On Thursday October 15th 1998 21:45 Ian Calder wrote: >Earlier this year, 'Future Music' magazine featured and interview with >Wolfgang Fluer. On the accompanying CD elements of the Yamo track >'Mosquito' were available with the open invitation for fans to remix the >track and forward entries to Future Music as part of a competition. The >four winners of the remix competition are now presented on the CD that >accompanies the November issue of the magazine, which will be on sale fr= om >October 19th, cover price =A34.50. In fact it was the June issue. Apparently Wolfgang said he has "something special" lined up for the winner. What is it? The "featuring" on the accompanying free CD? DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk Consoles: What's inside? Date: 21 Oct 1998 13:39:04 +0200 On Friday 16 October 1998 22:18 G. Benedikt Rochow wrote: > I think it's probably about tiem again that the meaning of > some words is pointed out... >=20 > > According to Doepfer it seems KW have assistanced to develop > > modular sinthesizers and analogic sequencers from Doepfer. The band > > uses the modular system A-100, MAQ 16/3, MMR4/4, Schaltwerk, Regelwer= k, > > Sonderversionen master keyboards (modifizierte LMK2 mit 61 Fasten) an= d > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ > "special versions" That's _T_asten (keys) >=20 > > Sonderanfertigung minikeyboards (during "Poket Calculator"). All > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > "custom-built" I read this info on Aktivitaet Update number 7 (vol. 2) March 1998. And according to it this was printed in Doepfer's website. Any other opinion about this? > > of them used during this tour. >=20 >=20 > Obviously, neither "Sonderversionen" nor "Sonderanfertigung" are specif= ic > product names. (Thanks for correcting the "Donder" which someone else > mistyped, and which has been quoted in mail a lot recently :) >=20 > -gbr > now playing: Abzug (77) (I need to change over to 'Numbers'; I'm > working on a math unit of the next Fastest Processor in the World :) DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: R: (kw) Kraftwerk in Brazil Date: 21 Oct 1998 01:12:28 -0400 ---------- Sent: Tuesday, 20 October, 1998 16:44 I've got Stevie Ray Vaughn, Richie Valens and Buddy Holly on my guestbook. Oh yeah? I have Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Spike Jones, and Jim Morrison. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peder Livijn" Subject: (kw) Re:Strange coverversions of KW Date: 21 Oct 1998 02:44:35 PDT Hello everybody There is a Swedish hardcore-band called Teddybears Sthlm, who have made a cover of The Robots (very good actually!), and they also perform another KW song when playing live (which one i sadly forgot). Regarding DER AUTOMATS question: >Has Bob Hund made a Kw cover? The answer is no, and thats really too bad because Bob Hund is really good and i think it would sound very interesting if they did. :-P Reasonman ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peder Livijn" Subject: (kw) Bad language? Date: 21 Oct 1998 03:20:38 PDT Hello I have in my possesion a recording of what appears to be KW soundchecking, and the thing about it that makes me want to know more about it is when they soundcheck the model, they sing "..i´d like to F**K her again" instead of "...MEET her again", does anybody know when and where this is recorded? Reasonman ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Luca Dassi" Subject: (kw) T.E.E. - a review Date: 21 Oct 1998 15:51:20 +0200 Dear =91werkers, I=92d like to share with you this review by M. Baiata that appeared on Ap= ril 1977 in the Italian magazine =93Stereoplay=94. In 1977 I was just 13 and I had never heard about KW, but after reading t= his I couldn=92t resist and that=92s how I became a KW fan. Unfortunately it=92s in Italian and my translation pales in comparison to= the original. Italian listmembers would undobtedly appreciate Mr.Baiata very original prose. Ciao, *Luca* --- ---------- Mi affretto a parlarvi di questo nuovo Kraftwerk perch=E9 credo in questa forma musicale, oggi, pi=F9 che in ogni altra, naturalmente nell=92ambito= del rock. E perch=E9 questo album =E8 senz=92altro superiore agli immediatame= nte precedenti =93Radio-Activity =93 e =93Autobahn=94, rispetto ai quali se n= on se ne discosta strutturalmente, ha un respiro pi=F9 ampio e meno allucinato. Co= me al solito protagonista =E8 la macchina, il moloch della tecnologia, quella spicciola delle autostrade e delle ferrovie, quella micidiale e nascosta = che viaggia nell=92etere e gestisce la forza dell=92atomo. Disco che nasce da= ll=92 ultima fortunata tourn=E9e della formazione tedesca negli USA, milioni di copie vendute per =93Radio-Activity=94, pulsazioni e ritmi geiger usciti = dai capelli corti e paranormali di Ralf H=FCtter e Florian Schneider (ancora = in quattro) con i due elementi ombra, Wolfgang Flur e Klaus Roeder a fare da contorno nel suono elettronico ipnotico geniale ritmico twist and electro= nic shout di questa pagina sconvolta della musica europea. Intanto Can, Neu e Cluster li accompagnano sulle rotaie ancora lucide di =93Kling Klang=94, = studio vecchissimo di colori e suoni futuribili, ripresi su =93Trans-Europe Expr= ess=94, dove il =93rumore=94 del suono elettronico sta ad indicare il ritmo della= nostra vita quotidiana senza falsa poesia, ma sull=92attenti di un umorismo che Inghilterra e USA. non hanno, se non in manicomio. Lasciate che i Kraftwe= rk circolino liberamente. Valutazione musicale : * * * * * (Che dire, ancora?) Valutazione tecnica: * * * * * (Stupefacente) Il brano migliore: Tutti --- ---------- I=92m eager to tell you about this new Kraftwerk album because I believe = in this kind of music more than in every other style in the rock arena. And because this album is by all means superior to its predecessors =93Radio-Activity=94 and =93Autobahn=94, sharing a common structure but s= porting a wider and less hallucinated pace. As usual, we have as a central characte= r the machine, the moloch of all technologies: the simple one of highways a= nd railroads and the hidden and terrible one that travels into ether and handles atomic energy. This album is the result of the latest triumphal USA tourn=E9e of this Ge= rman group, millions of records sold for =93Radio-Activity=94, electronic puls= es and Geiger rhythms originated by the short and paranormal hair of Ralf H=FCtt= er and Florian Schneider (still in four) with two shadow elements, Wolfgang Flur e Klaus Roeder at their side in the electronic, hypnotic, genial sou= nd, the rhythmic twist and electronic shout of this increbible page of Europe= an music. Meanwhile, Can, Neu and Cluster carry on with them on the still sh= iny rails of =93Kling Klang=94, an age-old study of futuristic colours and so= unds as featured on =93Trans-Europe Express=94, where the =93noise=94 of electron= ic sounds represents the rhythm of our everyday life without false poetry but with = the manic attention of a humour that UK and USA would confine in a mad asylum. Let Kraftwerk freely circulate. Muscial quality: 5 out of 5 (need we say more?) Technical quality: 5 out of 5 (astonishing) Best track: All --- ---------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Bad language? Date: 21 Oct 1998 10:55:17 EDT I think Bussy may refer to this in his book. Anywayy, fucking models is one of the benefits of being a rock star, or ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Vidar Bergan Subject: (kw) Elec(k)tric Music Date: 21 Oct 1998 17:18:03 +-100 I've just bought this year's Electric Music album, and it's very good. = More inpired by New Order than Kraftwerk, though the opening track The = Young Urban Professional has lyrics that are typical KW. Excellent sound = quality. I own the Elektrik Music album "Esperanto". Have Karl Bartos released other albums than these two? Why did the group name change from Elektric to Electric? Jon Vidar Bergan, Norway # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: blobe <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) KW Tour Date: 21 Oct 1998 12:13:21 -0400 (EDT) William Dobiesz wrote: >I was just thinking... > >KW has been touring all around the world...does anyone know if they appeared in Germany? Or Austria for that matter... according to www.tickets.de - not this year/tour, good point. i don't think they played France either, which was their first foreign excursion ever, back in the '70's. lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Farki Subject: RE: (kw) Tribute to kraftwerk (another one, from Japan) Date: 21 Oct 1998 19:33:55 +0200 >> BTW there's another tribute out there called "Musique Non Stop" >> made by several Japanese artists... well, I bought it and was >> really disappointed by such a poor production. There's some >> sense of humour though in these ridiculous cover versions, >> "radioactivity made" me laugh quite a lot. The only really >> interesting cover from this CD is IMHO "Europe Endless" >> made like a kind of oriental traditional music.... > >Please, can you tell me more details about this item (catalogue number, >label released, etc.) >Thanks in advance. MUSIQUE NON STOP A tribute to Kraftwerk TOCT-10455 However I dislike most of the KW covers, now I really recommend you this tribute CD. Beside Europe Endless, The Model, Tanzmusik and Autobahn are also very good, but the most brilliant is Dentaku - with tradicional Japanese instruments and in REAL Japan language. :) Fun. Really. - Farki - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wahlbom Subject: (kw) Re: bob hund, was: Strange coverversions of KW Date: 21 Oct 1998 20:59:55 +0200 (MET DST) > > Has Bob Hund made a Kw cover? >=20 > AFAIK bob hund (sic) has never released any Kraftwerk covers. Though ther= e is > perhaps an indistict KW reference in their song "D=FCsseldorf". Not to mention the fact that Thomas =D6berg has a traffic cone on stage, which he sometimes uses as a primitive megaphone... The first time I saw them (G=E4vle, October 1994) I was wearing a KW T-shirt, and Thomas came up to me and started talking about Kraftwerk. We never got very far in the conversation because he had a concert to perform... It is clear, e.g. from interviews, that he is a KW fan. > However, the singer of bob hund - Thomas =D6berg - once was a member of t= he band Oven > & Stove, a band that sometimes appeared live as Smart Patrol, playing not= hing but > DEVO covers. >=20 > Thomas =D6berg is also the singer of Instant Life, a band that...oh, I'm = sorry, I > digress... Not to mention that he used to be in Spacelab, together with people from Car Skid & Crash. This is not widely known, as they never wrote their names on the records, but nevertheless it is what I have heard. (A friend of mine got this info from what's-his-first-name Wigerdahl, who was in Oven & Stove together with Thomas at the time...)=20 And besides, Thomas =D6berg isn't the singer of Instant Life. He only plays synthesizer; the singer is Magnus Boman. Anyway, what Thomas was doing on that radio show was that he played records and talked about them and other things, his life, the band, whatnot. The record he finished with was "Europe Endless", almost the full album version (although they had to fade the last minutes because of the news). I can't remember whether or not this has been clarified; I haven't saved all the old digests... Sp=E4ter, - Anders Wahlbom | http://www.update.uu.se/~awahlbom/ (Finger for geek code) | http://www.cutoff.se/dss - NOW PLAYING: Jean-Michel Jarre: "Rendez-Vous" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk Consoles: What's inside? Date: 21 Oct 1998 16:49:05 -0400 (EDT) > > > Sonderversionen master keyboards (modifizierte LMK2 mit 61 Fasten) and > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ > > "special versions" That's _T_asten (keys) > > > > > Sonderanfertigung minikeyboards (during "Poket Calculator"). All > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > "custom-built" > > > I read this info on Aktivitaet Update number 7 (vol. 2) March 1998. And > according to it this was printed in Doepfer's website. > Any other opinion about this? About what exactly? -gbr > > Obviously, neither "Sonderversionen" nor "Sonderanfertigung" are specific > > product names. (Thanks for correcting the "Donder" which someone else > > mistyped, and which has been quoted in mail a lot recently :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: (kw) More from www.doepfer.com Date: 21 Oct 1998 17:01:00 -0400 (EDT) > > I read this info on Aktivitaet Update number 7 (vol. 2) March 1998. And > > according to it this was printed in Doepfer's website. From http://www.doepfer.com/hist_d.htm: (no time for transl. - summary: Florian called up Doepfer to ask them to convert a Phoneme keybd. to MIDI; result: in advertising an analog synth. with MIDI-output, which was designed in collaborattion with KW, they may use KW's name - only firm in the business that may... ) (I don't know if any of these devices are the same as previously mentioned) Hier Schneider, D"sseldorf. Das Synonym f"r elektronische Musik lautet Kraftwerk. Als einziger seiner Branche darf Dieter D"pfer diesen Namen f"r Werbezwecke einsetzen. D"pfer: Eines Tages rief ein Herr Schneider an und wollte wissen, ob wir eine Spezialtastatur zum MIDI-Keyboard umbauen k"nnten. Der Anrufer war Florian Schneider von Kraftwerk. Schneider experimentierte viel mit Sprachsynthese und hatte eine Tastatur aufgetrieben, auf der sich Sprachlaute (Phoneme) statt Buchstaben befanden. Nach dem Umbau bei Doepfer, steuerte Schneider damit einen Sampler, in dem die Laute abgelegt waren. Am Ende konnte der Kraftwerker die Phoneme per Sequencer zu ganzen S"tzen verbinden. Bis das klappte, muBte Schneider einige Male nach M"nchen kommen, wo man sich n"her kennenlernte. Auch beim Bau des Analog-Sequencers mit MIDI-Ausgang arbeitete das Unternehmen mit den Musikern zusammen. Seither d"rfen wir das Ger"t mit dem Namen Kraftwerk zu bewerben. Das geht aber nur, weil wir die Sache nicht "bertreiben. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Diego Lucena da Silva Subject: RE: Ky2k? was Re: (kw) My Kraftwerk Experience Date: 21 Oct 1998 19:35:01 -0200 > >- Are you releasing a new album anytime soon? > > > >to which he [Ralf] answered: > > > >- The next album will be released before the next millenium. > > mmmh... did the y2k theme come out in our discussions about the next K > album? the millennium theme? Well I understand "before the next millenium" as "before 2001" (= y2k + 1), which could be December 2000 for instance. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenneth Kingshott Subject: (kw) New Kraftwerk Book Date: 14 Oct 1998 11:18:51 +0100 "I don't know if any of you have seen it, but there's a new book out about Kraftwerk. It's called 'Kraftwerk: From Dusseldorf To The Future (With Love)' and it's by Tim Barr. I bought it the other day and I must say it's brilliant. There's a particularly good section on Kraftwerk's tour of India and lots of good stuff about the early days. Has anyone else got this book yet? And if so, what do you think? Also, does anyone have any of the South American/Japanese concerts on CD yet? Let me know if any are for sale." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: blobe <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) Bad language? Date: 21 Oct 1998 16:46:47 -0400 (EDT) At 03:20 AM 10/21/98 -0700, Peder Livijn wrote: > >Hello >I have in my possesion a recording of what appears to be KW=20 >soundchecking, and the thing about it that makes me want to know more=20 >about it is when they soundcheck the model, they sing "..i=B4d like to=20 >F**K her again" instead of "...MEET her again", does anybody know when=20 >and where this is recorded? > >Reasonman I think you might be reffering to this? It's the only one I know of that meets this description. KRAFTWERK HEUTE ABEND LIVE 2-CD Set from their '90-'91 Tour through Europe. Recordings from London, Sheffield, Birmingham, Edinburgh (some soundcheck-recordings with "adult-lyrics" ), Grassina. lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: blobe <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) Elec(k)tric Music Date: 21 Oct 1998 16:54:47 -0400 (EDT) At 05:18 PM 10/21/98 -0100, you wrote: > >I've just bought this year's Electric Music album, and it's very good. what is the new ele-c/k-tric music album called? what label? number? is it available in US? lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: blobe <47@radiolink.net> Subject: (kw) off topic italian lira and other Date: 21 Oct 1998 17:21:32 -0400 (EDT) for the person looking for currency conversion, or for anyone else for that matter try http://www.xe.net/currency/. it's a really cool on-line universal currency converter. and it's free. and it's useful for selling and buying KW items from different countries. know how much it is in any currency. lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicolau Centola" Subject: (kw) Article about KW concert on line Date: 21 Oct 1998 13:57:32 PDT There´s an article about Kraftwerk concerts (with two pics) at http://ww2.zaz.com.br/neozine/ just in portuguese... peace Nicolau http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: blobe <47@radiolink.net> Subject: (kw) Voice on Vom Himmel Hoch Date: 21 Oct 1998 17:43:51 -0400 (EDT) hi, this might have been discussed before, but has anyone else noticed that in the recording of Vom Himmel Hoch (i have the germanofon boot, haven't found an original yet) @ about 7:33 (7:30-7:35) into the song (right before the part that zeppelin ripped off years later on whole lotta barf) one can faintly hear a voice saying "let's get some bass" or something like that with a german accent, so it sounds more like "less get some basse". is it Florian or Ralf talking in the studio, not knowing that there is a microphone on. there are no vocals or acoustic instruments (other than drums?) on that song, so did they forget to turn off a mic? does anyone know? has anyone else heard this? is this only on the boot or on records as well? lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) KW Tour Date: 22 Oct 1998 01:37:08 +0200 William Dobiesz wrote: >I was just thinking... >KW has been touring all around the world...does anyone know if they >appeared in Germany? Or Austria for that matter... Vienna, please! I'm still hoping they'll come a third time ;-)! Gruesse aus Wien, Georgie -- * Georg Jajus - Vienna - Austria * http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * SMS & phone: +436765621850 * "In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcafe, Direktverbindung TEE..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timour JGENTI Subject: Re: (kw) Tribute to kraftwerk (another one, from Japan) Date: 22 Oct 1998 09:14:51 +0200 > > BTW there's another tribute out there called "Musique Non Stop" > > Please, can you tell me more details about this item (catalogue number, > label released, etc.) It's a japanese import, released by TOSHIBA / EMI (1998) cat. number is: TOCT 10455 Also as promised I put a little preview online with the front cover picture and 2 songs (excerpts) in mp3: http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/kw/bonus/ As I listened to this stuff again and again I found that this tribute worth interest anyway. Have Fun! Tim. -- Timour JGENTI ________________________________________________ _______________ timour.jgenti@ifp.fr _______________ http://www.mygale.org/~timlcf/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Spanish edition Date: 22 Oct 1998 12:21:02 +0200 There is an English, German, Japanese and French language edition of Pasc= al Bussy's "Man Machine and Music" KW biography. When there will be a Spanis= h edition? DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk Equipment Date: 22 Oct 1998 12:14:29 +0200 On saturday 17 October 1998 19:42 Marko m.schmidt@top.east.de wrote: > >I have a Equipmentpage on www.kraftwerk.mdis.de/equipkw.htm > >I have many Information from Kraftwerk Management, Fa. Doepfer and Fa. > >Quasimidi. > >Have you more Information about the Equipment? > >(from early times and today) The info I got about: KRAFTWERK have been involved to some extent in the design of an Analogue/MIDI Sequencer, the MAQ 16/3 by Doepfer, in which press anouncement it's can read "designed in cooperation with the German band Kraftwerk". The Company were responsible for the construction of Ralf's mini keyboard, as used during the live renditions of "Pocket Calculator", and other items, amongst which is a MOGLI MIDI glove, which was debuted b= y the band at the Linz concert. It can be added that the German music press reports that there has been some futher, though undetailed, KRAFTWERK involvement in another new Doepfer instrument, the MS 404. As well as a short favourable review on page 45 of the magazine, Florian Schneider has also contributed a recording made with the equipment which is featured on the CD that accompanies the magazine. The "vocoder poem" tone itself is rather lyrical and easily comparable to the style you would find on the "Radioactivity" LP.=20 In the "Trans-Europe Express" days KRAFTWERK also had a special sequence= r built for them, that may have been the Synthanorma Sequenzer that is list= ed on the sleeve of "Trans-Europe Express". Falk Kuebler, director of a German parallel computer company Parsytec, built, according to the design by H=FCtter and Schneider, a 68000 process= or to generate computer speech, that KRAFTWERK used in "Computer World" LP (EMI, 1981). You will find Kuebler listed in the credite of the album. The importers of the Fairlight talked about Schneider having taken apart his synthesizer to put it in a rack, unfortunately the thing then didn't work. However they were then assembling their equipment into the portable Kling Klang studio. Currently one of the synths in use is a Waldorf Microwave, that even contains a patch called "Kraftwerk". This is a drum sound that you can he= ar in the "The Mix" (EMI, 1991) version of "Pocket Calculator". According to Karl Bartos' statements on some of the musical gear KW used standard keyboards such as the Polymoog and Sequential Circuits Prophet V= , the Roland MC8 Microcomposer (a Bartos' dissatisfaction, apparently), and some of the custom-built (Sonderanfertigung ?) from the Bonn-based firm Matten & Weichers. Also a well-known NED Synclavier that was bought seemingly by Ralf Huetter personally in the mid-80s, that Karl often expressed dismay with it and with the initial Linn Midi Sequencer too, th= at he describes as "terrible... unreliable and very expensive". KW also had = a Yamaha DX7 and Atari computers. More info can be obtain in Aktivitaet issue n=BA 8 (August 96) "New Kraft= werk Gear?" article and Aktivitaet n=BA 6 "Vorsprung durch Technik?" article. I also think you can obtain more updated info at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/aktivitaet/index.htm Hope this helps. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Emil Schult latest activities Date: 22 Oct 1998 14:34:58 +0200 Emil Schult made the videos of Yamo. And seemingly he is working on some pictures for an exposition this year. Something more? Does anybody know the Emil latest activities? Thanx in advance. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Where to find 'Housephone' Date: 22 Oct 1998 12:35:46 +0200 Arnaud de Bonald wrote: > > On which boot is this rare track available? Der Automat replies: > "Sch=F6ne Neue Welt - Remix, Remodel" CD (Ping Pong, num. cat. > 9401) contains Housephone/The Telephone Call (7" Remix). The front has = a > photo of the band circa "The Man Machine" period, standing on a stairca= se > in a red shirts etc. The back cover photo is a "fish-eye" lens pic of t= he > Man > Machine dummies in front of their > respective fluorescent name boxes and instruments, all in front of a "M= an > Machine" backdrop, at one of the promotional launches for the LP back i= n > 1978. The CD disc itself has the wire-framed heads (back view) from the > "Electric Cafe" era printed on it. >=20 > Also there is a bootleg CD called "Japan Tokyo 8.9.81 / Utrecht Vredenburg > 12.10.81" (Sonic Cover Record, RT1099KR) that in CD2: Utrecht contains The > Telephone Call (Housephone). Also a bootleg CD called "Tour de Kraft" contains Housephone. BTW, does anybody of you know where to buy Kraftwerk bootlegs? TIA. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk Equipment Date: 22 Oct 1998 14:42:30 +0000 >More info can be obtain in Aktivitaet issue n=BA 8 (August 96) "New Kraftwe= rk >Gear?" article and Aktivitaet n=BA 6 "Vorsprung durch Technik?" article. >I also think you can obtain more updated info at: >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/aktivitaet/index.htm And don't forget http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/miscellaneous.html#equipment =2E.. which needs a little updating, but has some interesting links. kV. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "angelo" Subject: (kw) Interview Florian Schneider! Date: 22 Oct 1998 00:32:20 -0200 Do you know what Florian gived a little interview from channel TV-Mutltishow? He gived it in free village before start the show in MAM (Rio de Janeiro). This is for me very interesting! I very sorry about don't get take subscribe from him!!! Miguel Angelo. angelo@urbi.com.br http://www.urbi.com.br/users/angelo ICQ - 11606126 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron A." Subject: (kw) Synthetic Electronic Sounds Date: 21 Oct 1998 21:57:59 PDT Hello everyone: First, I would like to address two questions: 1) I read somewhere that Kraftwerk used genuine Speak-and-Spell's for their recording of "Pocket Calculator". I would like to hear the full story, with perhaps any interesting anecdotes about their using Speak-and Spell. 2) I really like the sound of the words "Boing Boom Tschak" and how they are used in the rhythms of that song. As you read further on in my message you'll understand my interest in this. The question is, however, does anybody know what message was intended to be put forth by this song? In other words, does "Boing Boom Tschak" actually mean something. Are there any other interesting anecdotes about this? Thanks to anyone who can provide me with some help with those, and now on to some information I have for all of you. A little while ago, I mentioned that I was working on a new Kraftwerk Sounds web site. Well, I'm sticking to my word and working on that. The site isn't quite ready to be launched, but the elements for it are nearing completion. This web site will never be out of date for two reasons: 1) It will contain absolutely no information on it (at least not for now) 2) The site will only contain sounds, and there will always be something new to add. Let me give you a few stats, to give you a bit of an idea of what it's going to be like. NAME OF THE SITE: "SYNTHETIC ELECTRONIC SOUNDS" SECTIONS: real audio clips which will consist of Kraftwerk songs digitally mixed with other Kraftwerk songs, the mixing done by me, of course. So far I have only three clips which are: - Boing Boom Tschak mixed with Home Computer and Music Non Stop - Metal on Metal Mixed with Home Computer - Numbers mixed with Boing Boom Tschak (can you tell I like "Boing Boom Tschak" now?) This list will obviously grow as time goes on. What I'd like to ask, is that you submit requests. Challenge me with some of your idea