From: "AniMAL LoGiK" Subject: RE: (kw) Top 5 Date: 01 Nov 1998 09:37:54 +0100 Mine too! 1) Kraftwerk 2) Orbital 3) LFO 4) Biosphere 5) Aphex Twin, Depeche Mode, Frank Sinatra, Jobim, F242... AniMAL LoGiK # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: m.schmidt@top.east.de Subject: (kw) Mailorder Date: 31 Oct 1998 11:13:00 +0100 Hallo, one Mailorder Shop (Indietective Records) is New on the Internet www.indietective.de -- Mit elektrischen Gr=FC=DFen,=B7 Marko ----------------------------------------------------- Germankraft die deutsche Kraftwerk-Homepage:www.kraftwerk.mdis.de ----------------------------------------------------- ## CrossPoint v3.11 ## # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) Komputer Komparison Date: 01 Nov 1998 14:28:56 +0100 ---------- > Da: Aaron A. > A: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Oggetto: (kw) Komputer Komparison > > Also, it seems like "Bill Gates" is the new Man Machine! > > DJ Compute Why the <> Man Machine? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: (kw) A bootleg called "TECHNO". Date: 01 Nov 1998 14:48:38 +0100 Hi all, yesterday I bought a 2CD bootleg called "TECHNO", a recording of the concert KW played at ZKM Multimediale in Karlsruhe on October 18, 1997. I paid it 70.000 italian Ģ, about 25 UKĢ, or 70 DM or 42 US$. I would like to know the following things: 1) Did I pay it too much? What is the right price? 2) Are "Atherwellen", "ZKM Song" and "Nummweltverschmutzung" the only new tracks KW played after "Electric Cafč" or are there other new tracks? If it is, on which bootleg is it possible to find it? BTW, the quality of the recording is very good; if you'll find it, don't miss it !!! TIA, Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW? Date: 01 Nov 1998 13:03:01 EST marvin katz is Kw's representative in the US. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= Subject: RE: (kw) Off-topic POLL Date: 02 Nov 1998 08:35:48 +0100 I just can't stop loving me' old Casio CZ-1000. Kindest regards Eric > ---------- > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= Subject: RE: (kw) Top 5 Date: 02 Nov 1998 08:33:02 +0100 Here's mine top 5. 1) Yello 2) Kraftwerk 3) Ultravox 4) Visage 5) Twice A Man Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mdisante@sogei.it Subject: (kw) Re:Favourite Synthesizer(s) Date: 02 Nov 1998 12:07:32 +0100 Very Hard to choose ... Hmmm ... KORG MS - 20 & MS - 50, what do you think ???? B.T.W., i Bought an <> KAWAY KAWAY K - 4 a few months ago and i found it very funny & interesting ...! Best Regards, bleeps and buzzs to everyone !!! Marcello # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw)"From Dusseldorf To The Future (With Love)" Date: 02 Nov 1998 12:51:35 +0100 John B. Morgan wote: > On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Der Automat wrote: >=20 > > the bands spokesman. It is correct that they have been no interviewed= =20 > since > > 1992 (except the Brazilian interview this year), but they had not get new > > releases to promote. >=20 > Not true. I know that Ralf and Florian were interviewed by both the New > York Times and the Detroit News when they were in the US earlier this > year. And for all I know they may have been interviewed by papers in th= e > other cities on their tour...I didn't check. But I believe people even > posted these interviews to the list at the time. Does anyone know the online adress for these interviews articles, special= ly the New York Times one? TIA. BTW, do not you think that remarking on Barr's book we are giving free publicity to it. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Speech Radioactivity Date: 02 Nov 1998 12:53:05 +0100 Apologies if this has already been posted here, but I really have the nee= d to know it. What the robotic-machine speech says before the rendition of "Radioactivity" in the KW gig? DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Wolfgang Fluer Book Date: 31 Oct 1998 11:13:57 +0100 I would like to know the name of the editor of this book (and the title o= f it) to order it. Has online adress? And a URL where I can find a review about the book? DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Comments regarding electric cafe (A. Parsons) Date: 02 Nov 1998 12:49:08 +0100 Glenn Folkvord wrote: > You can actually make robotic/machine=20 > music without being influenced by Kraftwerk. I disagree. Who is not able to realize that ALL the interesting records that it makes at the moment has been watched itself sometimes, although it would be out of the corner of its eye, in the mirror of the magicians from Duesseldorf? DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) kraftwerk need *your* help Date: 02 Nov 1998 12:45:04 +0100 Jon Alsbury wrote: > Kraftwerk need *your* help! >=20 > Kraftwerk have a concert in 17 minutes and they must cross a bridge to > get there. All four men begin on the same side of the bridge. You mus= t > help them across to the other side. It is night. There is only one > flashlight. A maximum of two people can cross at one time. Any party > who crosses, either 1 or 2 people, must have the flashlight with them. > The flashlight must be walked back and forth, it cannot be thrown, etc. > Each band member walks at a different speed. A pair must walk together > at the slower man's pace. >=20 > Karl - 1 minute to cross > Ralf - 2 minutes to cross > Wolfgang - 5 minutes to cross > Florian - 10 minutes to cross >=20 > For example: if Ralf and Florian walk across first, 10 minutes have > elapsed when they get to the other side of the bridge. If Florian then > returns with the flashlight, a total of 20 minutes have passed and you > have failed the mission. >=20 > Solution, anyone? Garry Smith wrote: > Easy. >=20 > Ralf and Florian cross first, but take so long that Karl and Wolfgang g= et > fed up waiting, and go off and do something else. > Ralf and Florian carry on without them. That's pretty slick! Wolfgang Fl=FCr and Karl Bartos give up. Ralf + Florian crossed the bridg= e together alone in 1973. ;-D DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Utrecht -81-playlist? Date: 31 Oct 1998 10:30:12 +0100 johan.andersson@allers.aller.se wrote: > Hello, can somebody help me to get the playlist for KW:s concert in Utrecht > in 1981? If you refer the current playlist for the 1981 tour I think it should be: Numbers, Computer World, Computer Love, Home Computer, The Model, Neon Lights, Radioactivity, Autobahn, Showroom Dummies, Trans-Europe Express, The Robots, It's More Fun To Compute. Anyone else? If you refer a bootleg tracklist, what bootleg exactly?=20 "Metropolis" (Machine-version live Utrecht 18.12.81) is included in Tocca= ta Electronica bootleg CD. There is also a bootleg double-CD called "Japan Tokyo 8.9.81 / Utrecht Vredenburg 12.10.81" (Sonic Cover Record, RT1099KR), tracklisting: CD1: Tokyo: Numbers, Computer World, Computer Love, Home Computer, Neon Light= s, Autobahn, Showroom Dummies, Trans-Europe Express, added tracks Radioactivity (William Orbit Hardcore Mix), Radioactivity (William Orbit Mix). CD2: Utrecht: contains The Telephone Call (Remix) / Housephone / De= r Telefon Anruf plus others that I do not remember at this moment. If you want any more info please contact me privately I have two issues o= f "The Complete Kraftwerkers Guide To Bootleg CD's (So far!)" published by the Aktivit=E4t fanzine team. ;-)=20 Mail me if you are interesed. I can sell or swap for any KW produkt. On a almost unrelated note, does anyone of you what song is "Trans American"? DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Wolfgang Fluer Book Date: 02 Nov 1998 12:11:33 -0000 there is no book. it is an idea that wolfgang has , some werk has been done but it is a long way down the line. anyway have'nt we had enough excitement for one year with all this aktivity...? chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Hilpert & Schmitz (was: Re: (kw) kraftwerk need *your* help) Date: 02 Nov 1998 15:10:50 +0100 (NFT) > (after all, H+F are only sequenser operators and have no kreative input > into what is known as Kraftwerk. They are the Igors who push the Kling Klang > button under the master's command, Are there any facts to prove this claim? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) New Dinger-related Indigo imports Date: 02 Nov 1998 15:09:42 +0100 (NFT) The following Klaus Dinger-related Captain Trip-CD's are now available as German imports via Indigo: Thomas Dinger: Fuer mich (Captain Trip/Fuenfundvierzig/Indigo CD 8556-2) Die with Dignity: Kraut? (Captain Trip/Fuenfundvierzig/Indigo CD 8584-2) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) DJ Hell on Kraftwerk Date: 02 Nov 1998 15:13:22 +0100 (NFT) Found in the November issue of the German magazine "Intro", in an article about DJ Hell: "Die Menschmaschine Florian Schneider von KRAFTWERK hat kuerzlich gar angekuendigt, HELL auf deren Tour als Warm-up-DJ mitzunehmen. Der bleibt gelassen: "Da muss ich bestimmt noch 20 Jahre warten, bis die das endlich auf die Reihe kriegen." Translation: Florian Schneider offered DJ Hell to tour with Kraftwerk, but DJ Hell thinks that Kraftwerk will need about 20 years to get this organized... Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) A burning question Date: 02 Nov 1998 08:54:57 -0500 >-WHERE ARE THE GIRLS????? >case i=B4m a bit worried. I want more girls on this list, and i=B4d = like to=20 >hear a female opinion every once in a while. My conclusion is that we=20 Do you remember Robot? Do you remember how she was treated? This place is like a Men's locker = room, in that it's no place for a woman. ...except maybe for my ex-wife - she'd kick any one of your butts. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) RV: Spare copies 4 trading Date: 02 Nov 1998 09:09:26 -0500 >>BTW, why in Baby Come Back version is written E. Grant >>(WarnerChappell) >>when this song is original by The Equals in 60's? >Eddy Grant was the lead singer of The Equals. Now it registers in my mind...I was thinking of the completely unrelated Baby Come Back by Player (which I don't particularly care for). I really liked the one by The Equals - liked it when it came out, and I still do today. Now, as for the discussion...who did a cover of it? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morten Moen" Subject: (kw) RE: Top 5 Date: 02 Nov 1998 15:36:40 +0100 > Hi all! > For me is very interesting to know your preferences about electronic > musicians. > If this is not too boring for you, please answer me. My top five list: 1. Kraftwerk 2. Tangerine Dream 3. Depeche Mode 4. Vangelis 5. JMJ Morten. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nebulous@erols.com Subject: (kw) Re: KW? Date: 02 Nov 1998 11:52:36 blobe <47@radiolink.net> wrote: >can anybody explain this? > >http://www.ascap.com/ace/pubaddr/detail.cgi?recNo=3096 > > Name > KLINGKLANG INC > % MARVIN KATZ > Street > 1740 BROADWAY > 22ND FLOOR > City > NEW YORK > State > NY > Zip > 10019 > Country > > Phone > (212) 246-1170 Yes, what you stumbled across there is the address and phone number of Marvin Katz' offices here in New York City. Katz is Kraftwerk's lawyer, and the page you found is just a listing from ASCAP's online database of artists regarding Kraftwerk's representation and protected ownership of their music. _____ scott nebulous@erols.com "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: blobe <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: Hilpert & Schmitz (was: Re: (kw) kraftwerk need *your* help) Date: 02 Nov 1998 11:53:36 -0500 (EST) Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > >> (after all, H+F are only sequenser operators and have no kreative input >> into what is known as Kraftwerk. They are the Igors who push the Kling Klang >> button under the master's command, > >Are there any facts to prove this claim? on the contrary, it is KW who have to prove the reverse of my observation. when i see a post Flur/Bartos KW album with original music (not the Mix or it's like) w/Hilpert and Schmitz credited on that album as writers of either music and/or lyrics (if there will be any), then i will be in the wrong. but until then, Emil Schult and Klaus Dinger among others have had more *documented* input into KW than those two. lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jorge Figueiredo Subject: (kw) Re: Top 5 Date: 02 Nov 1998 14:44:05 +0000 Didi asked: > >For me is very interesting to know your preferences about electronic >musicians. >If this is not too boring for you, please answer me. > >My top five: > >1) Kraftwerk >2) Tangerine Dream >3) Jean Michel Jarre >4) Depeche Mode >5) The Higher Intelligence Agency OK, I'll bite. My preferred electronic musicians are (ordered by the number of CDs I have from each one): 1) Tangerine Dream 2) Vangelis 3) Jean Michel Jarre 4) Kraftwerk 5) Peru, Wavestar, Michael Garrison, etc. Regards, Jorge Figueiredo jmsf@ci.uc.pt Coimbra, Portugal # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dead Reaper" Subject: (kw) fav. groups Date: 02 Nov 1998 07:45:52 PST Well I'm going to be all different & go... 1... Kraftwerk 2... The Beloved 3... Jean Michel Jarre 4... Depeche Mode 5... Pet Shop Boys Well well well. Four messages from DER "BLOODY" AUTOMAT and three from Klaus. Never thought I'd see the day. Although I suppose that should be in a separate message. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peder Livijn" Subject: (kw) Clock DVA Date: 02 Nov 1998 02:08:01 PST <<4) Clock DVA (eh, do they still exist ??)>> -No im afraid they donīt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ">> a b z u g <<" Subject: (kw) collectors mail list Date: 02 Nov 1998 11:57:30 -0000 there is a new list for Kraftwerk collectors and traders - wantlists / for sale lists are welcome. General discussion should remain here. to susbscribe: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peder Livijn" Subject: (kw) Re Fave Synth Date: 02 Nov 1998 02:06:45 PST William Dobiesz wrote; Without a doubt, mine is The Simeon by Simeon. Not only analog, but uses vacuum tubes (some of you may call them valves) as well. Not 8,000,000 different voices, etc...but it DOES put out a perfect sine wave. -How could i forget good olīSilver Apples, thanks for reminding me. This is probably also an opening for a really interesting discussion, i mean when you read some letters here you get the impression that some people regard KW as the founders of electronic (pop) music, and im not saying that SA in some way should be more worthy of that title, disregarding the fact that they started in ī67 (3 years before KW, if somebody didnīt know), but the point im trying to make is that electronic music did not start with KW, and there has definitly been others as influencial as KW, so lets discuss that for a while. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: (kw) Lurking Wurker Date: 02 Nov 1998 07:18:34 PST Hello Everybody peeps! I watch this list, and recently, don't be offended participants, it's rather boring. Despite that, I thought the combined knowledge of all these VERY clever people might be able to help me... I bought a Philips Digital multitracker thingy. In fact it is a PMC-100. Ever heard of one? It was going for 330marks, but was reduced to 10 because the people in the shop didn't know how to work it! And, although it is a German manual, I've managed to figure most of it out, apart from one thing. Real time recording. I want to be able to reacord my own real time melodies over a prewritten chord sequence. But it always plays some crappy sequence that I had nothing to do with. Anybody help? My two-penneth towards the fave electronic bands thingy... 1. Kraftwerk 2,3,4,5 (and the rest) ĩ-ziq, Orbital, Erasure, Pet Shop Boys, Me, there's more, but I can't remember. I'm hundreds of miles away from my record collection.(boo-hoo) There you go, that was easy. Anyone want to argue about my choice? (;\) ciao Matthew Large ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eugene Zaikonnikov" Subject: Re: (kw) Speech Radioactivity Date: 02 Nov 1998 16:27:21 +0200 If I understood correctly: Chernobyl, Herrisberg, Sellafield, Hiroshima -----Original Message----- Apologies if this has already been posted here, but I really have the nee= d to know it. What the robotic-machine speech says before the rendition of "Radioactivity" in the KW gig? DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) KW pics Date: 02 Nov 1998 16:35:16 -0200 I put nine pics from Rio de Janeiro concert at my page. Click Florian picture at Rio de Janeiro page. More pics soon... peace Nicolau http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: (kw) Re: Top 5 Date: 02 Nov 1998 12:29:27 -0700 Uno Kraftwerk Dos Faithless Tres Visage Cuatro Emerson Lake and Palmer Cinco Renaissance # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Official Recoil web site Date: 31 Oct 1998 18:54:21 +0100 >There is now an official Recoil site online at: >http://www.recoil.co.uk/ what kind of music do they do? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) parodies Date: 31 Oct 1998 18:39:16 +0100 At 00.19 01/10/98 +0100, Philip Spedding wrote: I in 92 or 93 I saw a concert of the politically overconscious Usa band Consolidated (nice blokes anyway). they had a song titled "Industrial music is fascim" or somethig, the sad thing was that they were serious about that. they had a video projected behind them were they parodied K in TEE. not a nice joke, for me. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Best KW single sound? Date: 31 Oct 1998 18:56:09 +0100 >Mine is the big vintage bass sound in neon light. ah, and the "sweeping" sounds at the beginning of metropolis!... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Best KW single sound? Date: 31 Oct 1998 18:40:05 +0100 again back fron prehistory... At 00.52 01/10/98 +0200, you wrote: >are you able to describe your favourite KW's sound? the "loose" drum on Numbers, the choirs on RA. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn for the first time Date: 31 Oct 1998 18:40:56 +0100 from a very big and old mail backlog... and please don't complain if you see a lot of lbo messages... I have to recollect time from lurking... :-) At 10.54 26/09/98 +0100, Petersen Jens Bang jbp wrote: jbp, jbp... it remember me something... :-) >>I now pose the question.....where were all of you when you first heard >>"Autobahn", album too? well at home, I guess. A was the second record of K I bought. I bought RA the day after I saw them on a tv show, then on sunday I went to the roman flea market (Porta Portese, big and messy, overpriced and trashy, but really worth a visit - mind the pickpockets) to see what I could found and I find A. Ah, no, it was the third, I bought RA the 7" single and then the album. about A, my father was into jazz music and said it was "nice". # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Stockhausen Date: 31 Oct 1998 19:10:51 +0100 >> Pierre Boulez. The author mentioned that there are no recordings of >> Stockhausen available in CD format and maybe not even on Vinyl. Is >That's nonsense. There's lots of Stockhausen on CD, in fact even Tower also, Stockhausen self-produces his own works. if you search on the archives (see below) you should find a very interesting interview quoted from an italian newspaper that quoted it from a french one with him where he explain why and how he selfproduces himself. very interesting for wannabe artists: count on yourself and don't wait for the major to spot you! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Top 5 Date: 02 Nov 1998 20:09:05 +0000 FXCordero wrote: > Uno Kraftwerk > > Dos Faithless > > Tres Visage > > Cuatro Emerson Lake and Palmer > > Cinco Renaissance Odin Kraftwerk Dva Art of noise Tri ELO (electric light orchestra) Chetyre Orbital Piat A-ha Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Astrolude@aol.com Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Mp3 and Photos Date: 02 Nov 1998 17:05:00 EST Check em out!!! You can find them on my website... http://welcome.to/sinphony Peace, Love, and Empathy ~Brendon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: RE: (kw) Top 5 Date: 03 Nov 1998 00:08:06 +0100 My tops : 1 Kraftwerk 2 The Art of Noise 3 Yello 4 Allan Parsons 5 Jarre (&6 me, myself ) :-)))) Juan Prieto - MuSiK musik@cheerful.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: FW: (kw) A burning question Date: 02 Nov 1998 18:03:30 EST In a message dated 11/2/98 6:23:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, huggy_bear@ameritech.net writes: << Do you remember Robot? Do you remember how she was treated? This place is like a Men's locker room >> VERY unfair comment. Of course, this is an appropriate place for ANYone. I...and if others are honest, I am sure many will agree....feel that Robot's input,at the end,was inappropriate and odd due to her personal emotional deficits. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nitrous@home.com Subject: (kw) here are my top five Date: 02 Nov 1998 18:15:32 -0500 1.Yello 2.Kraftwerk 3.Dalek I Love you 4.OMD 5.Frazier Chorus 6.Clifford T Ward 7.Split enz 8.Freur 9.Sally Oldfield 10.The Nits 11.Drowning not waving Sorry once I started it was hard to stop :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) A burning question Date: 02 Nov 1998 15:42:19 -0800 (PST) Ultravox5@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/2/98 6:23:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, > huggy_bear@ameritech.net writes: > > << > Do you remember Robot? > > Do you remember how she was treated? This place is like a Men's locker room > >> > VERY unfair comment. Of course, this is an appropriate place for ANYone. > I...and if others are honest, I am sure many will agree....feel that Robot's > input,at the end,was inappropriate and odd due to her personal emotional > deficits. Here here! The passing of time has not changed that fact. Jeff _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nowhere000@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) A burning question Date: 02 Nov 1998 18:54:31 EST > Do you remember Robot? > > Do you remember how she was treated? This place is like a Men's locker room > >> > VERY unfair comment. Of course, this is an appropriate place for ANYone. > I...and if others are honest, I am sure many will agree....feel that Robot's > input,at the end,was inappropriate and odd due to her personal emotional > deficits. Here here! The passing of time has not changed that fact. Jeff Indeed! oh & Enough talk about Komputer they have nothing to do with Kraftwerk other than copying them this list is not about Komputer Nowhere000 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: FW: (kw) A burning question Date: 02 Nov 1998 17:22:34 -0700 (MST) On Mon, 2 Nov 1998 Ultravox5@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/2/98 6:23:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, > huggy_bear@ameritech.net writes: > << > Do you remember Robot? > Do you remember how she was treated? This place is like a Men's locker room > >> > VERY unfair comment. Of course, this is an appropriate place for ANYone. > I...and if others are honest, I am sure many will agree....feel that Robot's > input,at the end,was inappropriate and odd due to her personal emotional > deficits. I don't agree. Now knowing what mens' locker rooms are all about, I can't comment on that comment, but ROBOT was always a little... uh... out there. She may have been on the edge toward the end there after getting snubbed by Florian, but other than that I think she was an important contributor to the list. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aulis Verkhovtsev" Subject: (kw) Top 5 Date: 03 Nov 1998 10:31:02 +1000 1. Depeche Mode 2. Kraftwerk 3. Recoil 4. Future Sound Of London 5. TancyNaVole (SUPER band from Russia) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Top 5 Date: 02 Nov 1998 17:52:34 -0700 >Cuatro Emerson Lake and Palmer Merseycham writes... >*shivers down spine, fevers, vomiting* (referring to ELP) Where were you when "Brain Salad Surgery" had heavy airplay? A gleam in your mommy's eye? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mdisante@sogei.it Subject: (kw) Re:Top 5 Date: 03 Nov 1998 08:31:11 +0100 Only <<5>> ??? My God, it's so hard, but .. i will try !!! 1) Kraftwerk 2) Orbital 3) Prodigy 4) Erasure, Yazoo, Assembly (V. Clarke, at all !!!) 5) Underworld, Yamo, Elektric Music, Chemical Brothers, Photek, Depeche Mode . . ., Too many ? I'm sorry, i had to mention all of them .... Best Regards Marcello # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nicolas Villeminot Subject: (kw) Top 5 Date: 03 Nov 1998 10:41:24 +0100 My favourites electronic bands: 1 - KRAFTWERK 2 - DEPECHE MODE And after those 2 bands i really love ( they are really the 2 bands of my life ), here are the others : Front Line Assembly, Front 242, Jean-Michel Jarre, Skinny Puppy, LFO ( the Frequencies era ) and certainly others... For those interested, Front 242 will perform a concert on November 17th in Paris, and Front Line Assembly will play in December also in Paris ! Bye Nico # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Top 5 Date: 02 Nov 1998 21:29:42 +0100 (CET) On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 14:38:01 +0100, Christian Di Sante wrote: > > >Hi all! >For me is very interesting to know your preferences about electronic >musicians. >If this is not too boring for you, please answer me. 1. Kw 2. Ultravox 3. Tangerine Dream 4. Human League 5. Vangelis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Ban(ne)d list bores Date: 03 Nov 1998 13:32:41 -0100 Since some people here love lists so much, I'm tempted to post a list of the 18 anoracks who bored me today by emailing dull, uninftomative reponses to yet another irrelevant survey. But I don't want to get personal. (Suffice it to say, it's time for a killfile). Grrrr! :-P # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) Poll of polls Date: 03 Nov 1998 14:42:11 +0100 Why not make a new poll - the poll of polls Which poll did you find most uninteresting on the KW mailinglist the last month? I say: all of them Which poll did you find most interesting on the KW mailinglist the last mon= th? I say: none What do you think? /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Poll of polls Date: 03 Nov 1998 08:51:54 EST dead right ! all this poll bollox is getting on my tits. Do you people have lives or what ? (Send flames to this address) >B-D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Ban(ne)d list bores Date: 03 Nov 1998 13:58:12 +0000 yeah, and people wonder why there are no birds on this list... ;) jon http:/www.unl.ac.uk/~jon/kraftwerk Kevin Busby wrote: > > Since some people here love lists so much, I'm tempted to post a list of > the 18 anoracks who bored me today by emailing dull, uninftomative reponses > to yet another irrelevant survey. But I don't want to get personal. > (Suffice it to say, it's time for a killfile). > > Grrrr! :-P # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Poll of polls Date: 03 Nov 1998 14:01:31 +0000 bollox on your tits? i'd see a doctor if i where you mate! :-P MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: > > dead right ! all this poll bollox is getting on my tits. Do you people have > lives or what ? > > (Send flames to this address) > > >B-D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Achtung! Inbetriebnahme Date: 03 Nov 1998 15:02:03 +0100 Goethe wrote: "Every saying word arouses a opposite idea." Der 8-D "L@undromat" wrote: >>"Achtung! Vor Abnahme der Rueckwand Netzstecker ziehen" >>As you know these words feature in the backcover of Radioactivity album. >>And U2 has an album called "Achtung baby", are there possibly any >>connection? A@ron A. wrote: > You've got to be kidding... > As far as I know the entire phrase says something to the effect of "PUL= L > the plug before you pull it apart" mall@de wrote: > :-D You're sick AUTOMAT=AE MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: > I don't know if you'd noticed, but the connection is the word "Achtung"= .=20 > Duh ! Kevin@Busby wrote: > Wow! And Electric Music did a cover of 'Baby Come Back'! It's a conspiracy! > You know, Automat old friend, if you're going to use a German pseudonym you > really ought to become more familiar with the German language! ;-) Jon@Alsbury wrote: > oh, for fucks sake... Oh, no. Excuse me! I should have seen it coming a mile away. I forgot to mention it is a joke! (Althought it isn't very funny.) Ha, ha. ;-D (I just couldn't resist it) DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) A bootleg called "TECHNO". Date: 03 Nov 1998 14:56:11 +0100 Christian Di Sante wrote: >yesterday I bought a 2CD bootleg called "TECHNO", a recording of the >concert KW played at ZKM Multimediale in Karlsruhe on October 18, 1997. >I paid it 70.000 italian =A3, about 25 UK=A3, or 70 DM or 42 US$. >I would like to know the following things: >2) Are "Atherwellen", "ZKM Song" and "Nummweltverschmutzung" the only ne= w >tracks KW played after "Electric Caf=E8" or are there other new tracks? = If >it is, on which bootleg is it possible to find it? If I am not wrong ZKM song was also played by KW in Ars Electronica Cente= r Festival in Linz (Austria) in 1997. And Nummweltverschmutzung is the same track as "Tribal" (or "Tribal Gathering") that they played (along with Airwaves/Aetherwellen) in TG 97 in Luton (May 97) and also in the subsequent concerts. All of them are completly brand new KW's tracks. The= y are also available in any other KW bootlegs of those concerts. We also got a report via Aktivit=E4t Update sheets: "Apparently KW performed a further two previously unreleased songs at the soundcheck for the Karlsruhe concert, bringing the total number of new tracks performed that year to five. The tracklisting for the Karlsruhe soundcheck was reported as: Nummern, Computerwelt, Heimcomputer, Die Mensch Maschine, Completely new song 1, Autobahn, Completely new song 2, Radioactivity, Second new song from the concert". DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Ban(ne)d list bores Date: 03 Nov 1998 09:35:30 EST In a message dated 03/11/98 14:04:04 GMT, you write: << yeah, and people wonder why there are no birds on this list... ;) >> Hey, if there were any birds on the list I suppose I coul dmy bollox on their tits ! K >B-D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peder Livijn" Subject: Re: (kw) Speech Radioactivity Date: 03 Nov 1998 04:01:22 PST "Eugene Zaikonnikov", wrote; <> Well Eugene you didn=B4t, it=B4s HARRISBURG Good luck, bye ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vincent Smits" Subject: (kw) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: 03 Nov 1998 05:05:00 PST my top 5: een: Kraftwerk twee:Juan Atkins (aka model 500 etc) drie:Derrick May vier:Orbital vijf:New Order ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hans_Braunstein_at_NWOS01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: (kw) Top 5. Date: 03 Nov 1998 15:00:39 -0600 This is not hard. 1. KRAFTWERK 2. TINDERSTICKS 3. DEPECHE MODE 4. SISTERS OF MERCY 5. DAVID BOWIE Best regards Hans Braunstein # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo Cassolatto" Subject: (kw) TOP 5 Date: 03 Nov 1998 10:10:52 PST My TOP 5 : 01 - Kraftwerk 02 - Pink Floyd 03 - New Order 04 - Underworld 05 - Future Sound Of London |>------------------------------<| |>-- The Sintetik Way Of Life --<|>--------------------< |>------------------------------<|> Ricardo Cassolatto < |>--< sintetik@hotmail.com >--<|> SAO PAULO - BRAZIL < |>------------------------------<|>--------------------< |>-----< Musik Non Stop >-------<| |>------------------------------<| ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) New Kraftwerk Bootleg? Date: 03 Nov 1998 22:15:19 +0100 (NFT) Found at alt.music.kraftwerk: > Just read about a double cd release called > "vor uns metropolis" parts 1 and 2 consisting > of kraftwerk/kraftwerk 2/ralf and florian/plus > rare bonus track! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YTALO AGUSTIN CAMPOSANO POMASONCCO <950186@aloe.ulima.edu.pe> Subject: RE: (kw) here are my top five Date: 03 Nov 1998 18:21:35 -0500 Kraftwerk The Cure Depeche Mode Cocteau Twins SIlvania ( some of you ought to know this band , especially in South America and Spain of course ) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael.Briel" Subject: (kw) My first two songs on mp3.com Date: 03 Nov 1998 23:44:34 +0100 Hi there! I've done it, I've opened a 'homepage' at mp3.com - It's only two songs right now, but more will follow! Drop me a line how you like it! :-) Link: http://www.mp3.com/music/Electronica/3348.html -- Kruge@home.ivm.de (ICQ: 15785108) "Der Preis des Friedens ist ewige Wachsamkeit!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: blobe <47@radiolink.net> Subject: (kw) LIST! Date: 03 Nov 1998 19:45:18 -0500 (EST) i've been on this list for just about a month, and i think i've already learned what is the best way to turn people away from this list, no, it's not threats of being blacklisted or banned, it is getting 50 messages every time (not everyday, but every time) i check my e-mail. and after discarding the CRAP!, there might be an interesting, informative, appropriate posting, maybe. not always. but to find it, you have to dig and read through (forgive me for the lack of a better word) shit. when i signed up for this list two of my friends who are KW fans as well (we saw KW in Detroit together this year) signed up with me. They both unsubscribed after one day. I stayed and have benefited greatly, but at what cost. I probably have the least amount of room to speak here becasue i'm sure there are people on this list who have been here for years, so please tell me (everyone), is this a constant problem or is this the worst it's been? let's all do something about it. thank you, lenny g P.S. and please don't respond to this message on the list, it is not a start of discussion, it is hopefuly the end of all non-KW related discussions. and don't reply saying that i am polluting the list with this message, because if you do, you obviously missed the point here and are a bigger idiot than imaginable. think! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "angelo" Subject: (kw) Esperanto! Date: 03 Nov 1998 23:38:07 -0200 Karl Bartos... Like all Kraftwerk Fans knows, maked the Album Esperanto in 1993. Do you Know what is Esperanto? For more informations you visit this page... http://www.esperanto.net/ "Lernu Esperanton kaj faru tutmondan amikecon!" Lern you Esperanto and make you World Friends! The Kraftwerk Fan... Miguel Angelo. angelo@urbi.com.br http://www.urbi.com.br/users/angelo ICQ - 11606126 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) MiniDisc trades Date: 03 Nov 1998 21:01:09 -0500 Hi again. I would be greatful if I could trade for some KW concerts, other than Tokyo, July, 1981 on MiniDisc. General MD trading welcome, too. Please E-mail me privately if you got the 411. Peace. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Re: Top 5 Date: 03 Nov 1998 21:08:30 -0500 Are we talking techno (or beat-/dance-oriented), or general e-music? Anyway, in no particular order... techno: 1. Kraftwerk (what a surprise!) 2. Aphex Twin (the True & Living God) 3. Sven Vath (years ahead of his time) 4. Photek (the cut-and-paste master) 5. Larry Heard (the underrated genius) add to that for general: 1. Pete Namlook (so prolific and so amazing) 2. Robert Rich (the ambient guru) 3. Michael Stearns (sound-designer extraordinare) 4. Brian Eno (the Godfather) 5. The various people who made music at the Columbia-Princeton Electronic Music Center (too many to mention) Peace. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik J. Eid" Subject: RE: (kw) A burning question Date: 03 Nov 1998 21:19:02 At 11:55 AM 10/29/98, Peder Livijn wrote: >[...] i=B4ve had a lurking feeling that something=B4s wrong, something=B4s= =20 >missing. I havn=B4t been able to put my finger on the problem until now,=20 >and now i=B4ve found out what=B4s been missing; > >- -WHERE ARE THE GIRLS????? Some might say it's because women aren't as "into" Kraftwerk as the men are. Unless every woman I saw at the Detroit concert was there simply to go with a date or friend without interest of her own, I'd say there isn't a severe shortage of female Kraftwerk fans. What it might be is that women are only within the past few years becoming the cybergeeks that men have been for decades. As such, they may be going straight for the newer technologies like chat rooms and newsgroups (though these aren't quite "new") rather than listservs. Besides, unless you know a listserv is there to start with, much less what one is, it's not easy to find it. Perhaps it has something to do with the cross-section of groups. There may be plenty of female Kraftwerk fans and plenty of female computer users, but not too many female Kraftwerk fans who also enjoy listservs. Then again, in the States it's hard to bump into any Kraftwerk fans of either gender. "Kraftwerk who?" The only other person I've seen wearing a t-shirt from the '98 concerts is the friend I went with! . . \_ +\_ + o_-/ . O . \-_o -=3D/- . . . . \=3D// .=20 ---------\_______ ||O ___.______ /* Erik Eid */ \____||L/\_____/ /* eeid@wwnet.net */_______________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephenv@sirius.com (stephen vesecky) Subject: (kw) my favorites Date: 03 Nov 1998 18:46:52 -0700 top 5 (off the top of my head) 1 kraftwerk 2 stereolab 3 new order 4 magnetic fields 5 beastie boys stephen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: (kw) Columbia/Princeton. . . . . Date: 03 Nov 1998 21:59:01 EST Speaking of which. . . . Does anyone know if some of the remarkable records from the late 60's-early 70's that were part of some "electronic music contest" or something - will ever be or have already been released on CD? Or was it Dartmouth? I forget. Anyways, someone released these records and the music was fascinating - especially given the fact that Milton Babbit, among other people, was a judge on one of them. . . .it's interesting to see who won 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc based on who the judges were. . . . .anyone have any info?? Thanks. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Is KW off topic now? Date: 04 Nov 1998 01:17:49 -0200 Well, if somebody is still interested in other subject than some kind of Top 5 list (how many messages today? 10?), I put six photos at my site from Florian Schneider's interview in Rio de Janeiro last october 16th. Much more will come. Enjoy it. peace Nicolau http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) PS Date: 04 Nov 1998 01:20:32 -0200 I forgot to mention... Florian has a very beautiful girl beside him in some photos. peace Nicolau http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: (kw) Columbia/Princeton. . . . . Date: 03 Nov 1998 21:59:01 EST Speaking of which. . . . Does anyone know if some of the remarkable records from the late 60's-early 70's that were part of some "electronic music contest" or something - will ever be or have already been released on CD? Or was it Dartmouth? I forget. Anyways, someone released these records and the music was fascinating - especially given the fact that Milton Babbit, among other people, was a judge on one of them. . . .it's interesting to see who won 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc based on who the judges were. . . . .anyone have any info?? Thanks. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Top 5 Date: 04 Nov 1998 06:46:08 +0100 (CET) On Mon, 02 Nov 1998 21:29:42 +0100 (CET), Arnaud de Bonald wrote: >>For me is very interesting to know your preferences about electronic >>musicians. >>If this is not too boring for you, please answer me. > > >1. Kw >2. Ultravox When I said Ultravox, I also include Visage, both bands are very similar for me. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Columbia/Princeton. . . . . Date: 04 Nov 1998 01:22:47 -0500 >>> Does anyone know if some of the remarkable records from the late 60's-early 70's that were part of some "electronic music contest" or something - will ever be or have already been released on CD? Or was it Dartmouth? I forget. Anyways, someone released these records and the music was fascinating - especially given the fact that Milton Babbit, among other people, was a judge on one of them. . . .it's interesting to see who won 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc based on who the judges were. . . . .anyone have any info?? <<< New World Records released a collection of music from Columbia-Princeton ("The Columbia-Princeton Electronic Music Center 1961-1973") earlier this year. If you walked into the classical department at Tower Records at Lincoln Center when I was there (and I STILL work there) in the last few months, you might have heard parts of it since it was my favorite CD on rotation there. However, the famous collection released by Columbia Masterworks (now Sony Classical) will probably never get released on CD as part of Sony Classical's Masterworks Heritage Series because of an evil thing know as the "bottom line"--those coporate bastards. I could give a flying fuck about Lotte Lenya, Pablo Casals, or the 1947 recording of "La Boheme." GIVE ME E-MUSIC! Peace. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) A burning question Date: 04 Nov 1998 09:17:22 +0000 Peder Livijn wrote: > WHERE ARE THE GIRLS????? "Erik J. Eid" wrote: > Some might say it's because women aren't as "into" Kraftwerk as the men > are. Unless every woman I saw at the Detroit concert was there simply to > go with a date or friend without interest of her own, I'd say there isn't a > severe shortage of female Kraftwerk fans. i think you'll find plenty of women who enjoy kraftwerk, however most of them don't feel the need to subscribe to maillists and exchange facile messages with other socially dysfunctional nerds! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E1dio_97_FM?=" <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) top five Date: 04 Nov 1998 08:19:22 -0200 My top five : 1- KRAFTWERK 2- Tangerine Dream 3- Jean Michel Jarre 4- Gary Numan 5- Johan Timman/Nova/Yellow Magic Orchestra/Vangelis Eduardo Monteiro from Brasil (I watched Kraftwerk live !!!) Amazing !! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: (kw) The Mix Date: 04 Nov 1998 11:58:28 +0100 Does the german release of "The Mix" contain Die roboter, Radioaktivitaet, Trans-Europa-Express sung in german? TIA Didi Milan - PDN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) The Mix Date: 04 Nov 1998 11:56:55 +0000 > Does the german release of "The Mix" contain Die roboter, Radioaktivitaet, > Trans-Europa-Express sung in german? ja # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) top five Date: 04 Nov 1998 12:11:28 +0000 R=E1dio 97 FM wrote: >=20 > My top five : >=20 > 1- KRAFTWERK > 2- Tangerine Dream > 3- Jean Michel Jarre > 4- Gary Numan > 5- Johan Timman/Nova/Yellow Magic Orchestra/Vangelis >=20 > Eduardo Monteiro from Brasil >=20 > (I watched Kraftwerk live !!!) Amazing !! i would have thought that experience would have taught you how to cou= nt to eight at least ;) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fischer, Hans-Peter" Subject: (kw) Introduction Date: 04 Nov 1998 14:22:06 +0100 Hi there! I just (re-)joined this mailinglist (been member of it a year or two = ago) and like to shortly introduce myself... My name is Hans-Peter Fischer, called Peter, I=B4m living in = Frankfurt/Germany and been a Kraftwerk fan since I first heard "Autobahn" aged 4 or 5... Recently I=B4ve listened to the radio and the guy there announced a = song called "Nummen/Computerwelt", but by a different artist and from a = sampler called "Spacenight CD", it was a remix of that Kraftwerk songs. (and = not that bad I might add) After the song he said he just read the booklet and the song would have = been "written and produced by Hutter/Schneider/Barthos", and hey, that=B4s = the guys from Kraftwerk! He was surprised to find "something new" from Kraftwerk which he thought dead since 1991... I wrote him an E-Mail after that and tried to clear things up, that it = was just a remix of an old Kraftwerk song and that Kraftwerk is far from = being inactive or even dead and sent the video of the Tribal Gathering 97 to = him, which I downloaded from www.kraftwerk.com. I got an answer where he admitted his mistake (He agreed on my insult: = "You haven=B4t made you homework!"), and wanted to gain more information, = for example: Who are the others besides H=FCtter and Schneider in the = video? (Guess it=B4s Hilpert and Schmitz) What song is it that is played on = the video? And I=B4d really to know that... :) Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Oehler" Subject: (kw) RE: clockDVA Date: 04 Nov 1998 07:57:29 -0600 >From: "Peder Livijn" >Subject: (kw) Clock DVA > ><<4) Clock DVA (eh, do they still exist ??)>> > >- -No im afraid they don=B4t Sure they do. They just haven't done much in a while. ClockDVA is just Adi Newton now. even has an official website now (www.sonic-boom.com/clockdva/) ---- Eric Oehler wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko That's as may be, it's still a frog. -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Parodies Date: 04 Nov 1998 15:18:12 +0100 The video of the song "Killer" by Seal features his face as in the "Musique Non Stop" clip. On a completely unrelated note: Any grammar correction it will be welcome. Since I am learning English language. TIA. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) DJ Hell on Kraftwerk Date: 04 Nov 1998 12:17:20 +0100 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > Found in the November issue of the German magazine > "Intro", in an article about DJ Hell: >=20 > "Die Menschmaschine Florian Schneider von KRAFTWERK hat > kuerzlich gar angekuendigt, HELL auf deren Tour als > Warm-up-DJ mitzunehmen. Der bleibt gelassen: "Da muss > ich bestimmt noch 20 Jahre warten, bis die das endlich > auf die Reihe kriegen." >=20 > Translation: > Florian Schneider offered DJ Hell to tour with Kraftwerk, > but DJ Hell thinks that Kraftwerk will need about 20 years > to get this organized... The new "Munich Machine" LP by DJ Hell contains sounds and rhythm-pattern= s =E0 la KRAFTWERK. And, apparently DJ Hell played a vinyl with first of both unpublished tracks that Kraftwerk performed at Sonar 98 event. Maybe it was an exclusive acetate for him.=20 On a completely unrelated note: Any grammar correction it will be welcome. Since I am learning English language. TIA. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Re Fave Synth Date: 04 Nov 1998 15:17:07 +0100 Peder Livijn wrote; >(...) but the point im trying to make is that electronic music did not >start with KW, and there has definitly been others as influencial as KW, >so lets discuss that for a while. Of course not. It is odd, according to many erudite music books and reasonable theories, to face that it was Pitagoras who noticed the bases of=20 electronic music. His study about the string vibration, for example, whic= h dominates the evolution of the theorical music untill the XVII century. On a completely unrelated note: Any grammar correction it will be welcome. Since I am learning English language. TIA. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) separate messages Date: 04 Nov 1998 15:13:40 +0100 Dead Reaper wrote: > Well well well. > Four messages from DER "BLOODY" AUTOMAT > and three from Klaus. >=20 > Never thought I'd see the day. >=20 > Although I suppose that should be in a separate message. Hey. There was a long weekend (three days) here in Spain and I was off-line. This give a rest for everyone of you. But now here I go again! ;-) What would you do without all my separate messages? Serve my messages as an example of wrong track that you never must to take, let us learn of my errors and I will be redeemed. Hallelujah! Der Automat Avenger strikes again to test the wits of him!!!! And to post large amout of separate postings. So just hold your breath! I take a liking to all these complaining posts. Let's make a new poll to the werker more moaner. Current billboard: 1.- Dead Reaper 2.- Ultravox5@aol.com At the thought of your message it dawned on me, you want to win the award= ! Caution! May be hazardous to your mind health. Not responsible for direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages resulting from any defect, error or failure to read. May be too intense for some viewers. DER AUTOMAT =AE Do not write below this line. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RV: (kw) Speech Radioactivity Date: 04 Nov 1998 12:17:28 +0100 Eugene Zaikonnikov wrote: > >If I understood correctly: Chernobyl, Herrisberg, Sellafield, Hiroshim= a Excuse me is my fault. Apologies if this has already been posted here, but I really have the need to know it. What the robotic-machine speech says before the renditio= n of "Sellafield 2" in the KW gig? On a completely unrelated note: Any grammar correction it will be welcome. Since I am learning English language. TIA. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Poll of polls Date: 04 Nov 1998 12:17:08 +0100 MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: > dead right ! all this poll bollox is getting on my tits. Do you peopl= e=20 > have > lives or what ? I added you. I am a bit sick of those polls that not test those wits of nobody of us. I think there are more interesting KW (and related) things to talk about. On a completely unrelated note: Any grammar correction it will be welcome. Since I am learning English language. TIA. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) KW in Argentina Date: 04 Nov 1998 09:59:13 EST if anyone wants a copy, get in touch... tom w np: above ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: RE: (kw) DJ Hell on Kraftwerk Date: 04 Nov 1998 16:04:30 +0100 (NFT) On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, Der Automat wrote: > And, apparently DJ Hell played a vinyl with first of both unpublished > tracks that Kraftwerk performed at Sonar 98 event. Maybe it was an exclusive > acetate for him. Or maybe - just maybe - it was mastered from one of the countless bootlegs from one of the 1997 Kraftwerk concerts... > Serve my messages as an example of wrong track that you never must to > take, let us learn of my errors and I will be redeemed. Hallelujah! > I take a liking to all these complaining posts. [...] > On a completely unrelated note: Any grammar correction it > will be welcome. Since I am learning English language. TIA. How about learning some netiquette as well? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Therese Molander" Subject: Re: (kw) A burning question Date: 04 Nov 1998 10:25:52 CET >i think you'll find plenty of women who enjoy kraftwerk, however most >of >them don't feel the need to subscribe to maillists and exchange >facile >messages with other socially dysfunctional nerds! We do subscribe to lists, but don't bother to post a lot of stoopid stuff all the time like certain people do. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: (kw) Top 5 (OFF TOPIC) Date: 04 Nov 1998 10:37:43 -0500 OK, I'll bite. Off topic, but I'll do like everyone else is doing. 1) Silver Apples 2) Kraftwerk 3) Spike Jones 4) The Guess Who 5) Mannheim Steamroller # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: OFF TOPIC FW: (kw) Re: Top 5 Date: 04 Nov 1998 10:43:37 -0500 >Where were you when "Brain Salad Surgery" had heavy airplay? My favourite ELP album...particularly "Benny The Bouncer" I would have included them in my top 5...but I had 5 groups I like better. Definately in my top 10, though... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: Blasphemy!! FW: (kw) Re Fave Synth Date: 04 Nov 1998 11:09:47 -0500 >-How could i forget good ol=B4Silver Apples, thanks for reminding me. = This=20 >is probably also an opening for a really interesting discussion, i mean = >when you read some letters here you get the impression that some people = >regard KW as the founders of electronic (pop) music, and im not saying=20 >that SA in some way should be more worthy of that title, disregarding=20 >the fact that they started in =B467 (3 years before KW, if somebody = didn=B4t=20 >know), but the point im trying to make is that electronic music did not = >start with KW, and there has definitly been others as influencial as = KW,=20 >so lets discuss that for a while. Consider that from the beginning in 1967, SA used Simeon's homebuilt = synth. Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure SOMEBODY will), but I don't = think KW started using synths until R&F. That was early 70's, and = consider that before the end of 1970 SA had split up. Now - the original Silver Apples are back together! Simeon and Dan = Taylor are on tour, and will be releasing a new record in early 1999. = Not bad for a band that was given last rites in 1970. But - SA does have a couple of advantages over KW: 1) They put out a new (not remixed) album in 1997 2) They put out a new album in 1998, stranger than anything KW has come = out with.=20 3) Another album will be coming out in 1999. 4) Their old albums have been re-released as a double CD, and it is a = legitimate release, available through normal chanels. When will we see another new release from KW?? Besides, my favourite thought about SA is, any group that has a roll of = duct tape and a can of WD-40 on stage to keep the equipment maintained = is my kind of group. Simeon is very approchable and very easy to talk = to. In fact, I am attempting to build (as closely as I can) an original = Simeon. I already have a couple of the oscillators for it. What kind of music would I play on it? Polkas, of course! (I like all kinds of music) Bill Dobiesz np: Nomeansno - Ride The Flume # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Poll of polls Date: 04 Nov 1998 11:20:34 -0500 >Why not make a new poll - the poll of polls What a GREAT idea! >Which poll did you find most uninteresting on the KW mailinglist the = last >month? This one. >Which poll did you find most interesting on the KW mailinglist the last = >month? ANY of them were better than this. >What do you think? It's this off-topic stuff that keeps us alive, that keeps this mailing = list going, that keeps us in touch, scattered around the globe as we may = be. If this list DID keep strictly to matters directly involving KW, it = would have gotten as quiet as another E-Mail group I'm in (Ammonia = Refigeration). It's the off topic banter that has made me several = friends through the list. So, loosen up and enjoy yourself. Life is too short to waste it being = angry at others. Bill Dobiesz np: Shaina Noll - It's A Joy To Get To Know You # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Poll of polls Date: 04 Nov 1998 11:23:17 -0500 >dead right ! all this poll bollox is getting on my tits. Do you people have >lives or what ? >(Send flames to this address) >B-D No, we have no lives...or we wouldn't be on this list in the first place. Bill Dobiesz np: Shaina Noll - You Can Relax Now # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Poll of polls Date: 04 Nov 1998 11:26:11 -0500 >bollox on your tits? i'd see a doctor if i where you mate! :-P Maybe he already HAS been seeing a doctor, and that's why he's that way now. Bill Dobiesz np: Shaina Noll - Everything Possible # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: FW: (kw) A burning question Date: 04 Nov 1998 16:47:04 -0000 i've never talked about kraftwerk in a men's locker room . or a women's , come to think of it. chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) A quote from the intro message Date: 04 Nov 1998 17:59:24 +0100 (NFT) > It's this off-topic stuff that keeps us alive, that keeps this mailing > list going, Hardly. Please allow me to quote one of the list rules, as displayed in the intro message for this mailing list: " * Try to stay on-topic whenever possible. " I think that's clear enough. Sorry for getting off-topic, ;-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) separate messages Date: 04 Nov 1998 09:02:48 -0800 (PST) Der Automat wrote: > Hey. There was a long weekend (three days) here in Spain and I was > off-line. This give a rest for everyone of you. But now here I go > again! ;-) > What would you do without all my separate messages? Enjoy life perhaps? Spend ten minutes a day less deleting crap? > I take a liking to all these complaining posts. I think this is a cry for help. > Let's make a new poll to the werker more moaner. > Current billboard: > 1.- Dead Reaper > 2.- Ultravox5@aol.com They speak the truth. Jeff _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Stann Subject: (kw) Please - NO MORE POLLS! Date: 04 Nov 1998 11:05:44 -0600 How about some fun stuff? Does anyone know where good Kraftwerk MP3 = files can be found? I have all the US releases in CD, but would like to = find the German versions of Kraftwerk songs I used to listen to as a kid = waaaay back in 1980. Thanks Kris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) Poll of polls Date: 04 Nov 1998 09:10:35 -0800 (PST) William Dobiesz wrote: > It's this off-topic stuff that keeps us alive, that keeps this mailing list going, that keeps us in touch, scattered around the globe as we may be. I disagree...it's the discussion of KW that keeps a list going. > If this list DID keep strictly to matters directly involving KW, it would have gotten as quiet as another E-Mail group I'm in (Ammonia Refigeration). There does not have to be a constant volume of postings to this list. IMHO the volume should be proportional to the amount of KW news, gossip, activity and relevant discussion. If it becomes unwieldy, people with an interest in keeping abreast of KW news such as yours truly will just bag it and unsubscribe. > It's the off topic banter that has made me several friends through the list. I'm sure there are mailing lists for electronic music in general or whatever other off-topic activities one wants to discuss. Or use chat rooms or whatever. > So, loosen up and enjoy yourself. Life is too short to waste it being angry at others. Is this where we all sing Kumbaya? Jeff _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Folkvord" Subject: (kw) Off-topic (Jarre tribute) Date: 04 Nov 1998 18:38:25 +0100 Hi all, Sorry for this off-topic message, but... (I hope y'all have delete = buttons). I noticed in the "what do you like beside KW" poll that quite = a few ppl also enjoy JM Jarre. Now, I am compiling this fan-made Jarre = tribute album, and I am looking for more participants who'd like to = record their fav. Jarre piece. I am sure some of you are musicians in = the electronic style and if you're interested, throw a message in the = direction of glenn@jmjfkn.com and I'll give you all the info you need. Once again I'm sorry for this off-topic message, and I promise I won't = "pollute" your list with Jarre stuff again... Jarre forever! (and KW) Glenn Jean-Michel Jarre Fanclub Norway Seljeveien 18, 2022 Gjerdrum Email glenn@jmjfkn.com Go to www.jmjfkn.com Since/etablert 1993 Publisher of IMAGES magazine Organiser of the international JMJ tribute album (tribute@jmjfkn.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron A." Subject: (kw) A One-Stone Post Date: 04 Nov 1998 09:15:27 PST >It's this off-topic stuff that keeps us alive, that keeps this mailing = >list going, that keeps us in touch, scattered around the globe as we may = >be. I've been subscribed to this list for about 3 weeks. Some stuff is really interesting, and other stuff isn't, just due to my preference. But then there's the stuff that's just ridiculous, like these polls which ask nothing of value, and take up many messages. Why not do a poll that asks a question that may result in a more diverse answer from everyone. For example, and only asnwer this if it's got an interesting story behind it (usually it will) "Tell us all about the first time you heard Krafwerk, who introduced it to you, and what went on from there..." If anybody thinks that is a stupid poll, ONE person please speak up and tell everyone not to answer it. Otherwise, have fun with it. In fact, I won't even answer the poll until we get some approval for it. To make this message truly worthwhile (as I will never post more than one message a day, one a week if we're lucky) I'd like to address the following items: - First, someone please direct me to the lyrics of Man Machine, either on the web or by posting them here. Oh, and don't bother typing out the obvious repetitions of "Machine". (I am under the impression there are other words but I could be wrong) - Also, sure Computer LOVE may be a love song because it refers to a significant other (or trying to contact one) not to mention the fact that it has the word LOVE in the title, but it certainly isn't one of these songs that has lyrics like "oohhh baby I want to hold you close, etc etc..." None of Krafwerk's songs ever really struck me as love songs. Somebody mentioned that "Ohm Sweet Ohm" was supposed to be a love song, when I tried to bring this point about. What does everyone else think, because if I can somehow gain companionship, let alone sexual pleasure from my fusebox, I'm headed to my basement right away! - I'm going to contradict myself now by making this somewhat off-topic statement: This Kraftwerk fan is crazy about the song "Living on Video" by Trans-X. Is anyone else familiar with this song. If so, do you feel the same way and if you've never hear this song, you don't know what you're missing, contact me and I can send you a sample. And please keep replies to this matter to my private e-mail, and spare the other list users. That's all for now. DJ Compute *ping* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) A burning question Date: 04 Nov 1998 09:16:37 -0800 (PST) Therese Molander wrote: > We do subscribe to lists, but don't bother to post a lot of stoopid > stuff all the time like certain people do. I don't know about that...let's take a poll, shall we? Jeff >:-) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dead Reaper" Subject: (kw) Separate messages, from the horse's mouth Date: 04 Nov 1998 10:00:14 PST Now of course if I were the Automat, I would miraculously manage to answer this with 16 messages. But no, I always have to be different. >Hey. There was a long weekend (three days) here in Spain and I was >off-line. This give a rest for everyone of you. But now here I go >again! ;-) >What would you do without all my separate messages? Frankly, cheer loudly. But really, you don't want to know. Collect them together & do them all as one. Then we can just delete one without reading it rather than several thousand. >Serve my messages as an example of wrong track that you never must to >take, let us learn of my errors and I will be redeemed. Hallelujah! Er... >Der Automat Avenger strikes again to test the wits of him!!!! And to post >large amout of separate postings. So just hold your breath! > >I take a liking to all these complaining posts. Why not take heed of them too? God! Hotmail's slow enough as it is!!! I pity you having to read your own postings! Thanks to eff Young & Ultravox5 (or was it 6?) for their support. >Caution! May be hazardous to your mind health. >Not responsible for direct, indirect, >incidental or consequential damages resulting from any defect, error >or failure to read. May be too intense for some viewers. > >DER AUTOMAT =AE > >Do not write below this line. That's a vain attempt to be funny, I believe, but the tongue is unfortunately not duly practised, so the words do in a strange fashion read. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: (kw) REM and the boys Date: 04 Nov 1998 20:56:00 -0000 a recent review of rem's new album says of a track called "hope":"it begins like autobahn by kraftwerk,ends up sounding like something by neu! and appears to wholeheartedly belong to mid 70s dusseldorf". chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 Subject: (kw) BLUE FLOWERS IN HEAVEN Date: 04 Nov 1998 15:21:51 -0500 (EST) hi all, i used to be "blobe 47@radiolink.net", but i had to change my address due to a certain new business venture i am embarking on (something to do with John Glenn's space flight?), anyway, now that that's out of the way i have a rather interesting post about KRAFTWERK to make. i was talking to a friend of mine the other day who told me about his dream. he said that he and i were at a record shop and he had found a new KRAFTWERK album which neither one of us had seen or heard of before. he said it had a gatefold cover which featured blue flowers in a sort of haze, and the words KRAFTWERK: BLUE FLOWERS IN HEAVEN in a soft bubbly font, like the old sixties hippy type. anyway, my friend said that i was extremely jealous that he found it instead of me. now i am not one to beleive in supernatural, but what if KRAFTWERK has communicated telepathecally through my friend and he told this to me, and now i am relating this information to all of you. what if there is another KRAFTWERK album, or is this the concept of the new album. perhaps the age of the man machine is over and with all this environmental connection around KRAFTWERK they have successfully transcended to a higher metaphysical more intellecually stimulating plane of existance and their new album is the doorway to their new world. of coarse this would make a great story for a bad sci fi movie, but the dream part was true, the rest i am bullshiting! from the 52 messages i got today i'd think very few of you got the point. thank you all who took my letter seriously. lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "GEOFF WATSON" Subject: Re: (kw) Separate messages, from the horse's mouth Date: 04 Nov 1998 22:46:01 -0000 This list is turning into a great cure for insomnia and a booster for all our phone companies profits. It's about time some "contributors" put their typing fingers back in their pockets (or any other warm place they like to keep them) until they have something interesting to say that is worth downloading. Maybe the list should be re-named "Duh Laundromat" - the same old stuff goes in, spins round for a while and comes out in a different order. By the way, what is everyones favourite colour of Smartie ? Mine is blue 'cause it matches the colour of the veins in Florians' head. Bloody hell, even I'm at it now ...... Geoff. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 Subject: (kw) archives Date: 04 Nov 1998 15:37:11 -0500 (EST) can someone please tell me where i can access the archives for this list? thank you, lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: (kw) Polls, Top 5, Whatever Date: 04 Nov 1998 15:24:01 -0700 Folks, please stop posting all this non-Kraftwerk junk to the list. If you want to run a poll and really think everyone on the list cares what the results are, have people mail you their answers and summarize to the list. This list exists so people have a place to discuss Kraftwerk. Please try to stay at least *close* to that topic of discussion. -- Lazlo Nibble | "There's no moral, Uncle Remus, just lazlo@swcp.com | random acts of meaningless violence." http://www.swcp.com/lazlo | -- Michael O'Donoghue # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Måns Sjöstrand Subject: Re: (kw) REM and the boys Date: 04 Nov 1998 23:51:06 +0100 Chris Raistrick wrote: >=20 > a recent review of rem's new album says of a track called "hope":"it be= gins > like autobahn by kraftwerk,ends up sounding like something by neu! and > appears to wholeheartedly belong to mid 70s dusseldorf". > chris REM has recently said in an interwiev for the Swedish daily news paper "Dagens Nyheter" that some parts of the new album "Up" are influenced by Kraftwerk. - M=E5ns # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Corchado Subject: (kw) One more poll :-) Date: 04 Nov 1998 17:59:48 -0600 (CST) Sorry if this has been already posted, and sorry if you find it off topic, but London's Time Out magazine, asked english music makers who they considered to be the most influential artists over the last three decades and these are the results: 1. David Bowie 2. Beatles 3. Bob Marley 4. James Brown 5. Marvin Gaye 6. Jimi Hendrix 7. Stevie Wonder 8. Kraftwerk 9. Iggy Pop 10. Bob Dylan 11. Stone Roses 12. New Order 13. Led Zeppelin 14. Public Enemy 15. Tom Waits 16. Happy Mondays 17. Al Green 18. The Clash 19. Abba 20. Marc Bolan 21. Joni Mitchell 22. Van Morrison 23. Sex Pistols 24. Kate Bush 25. Rolling Stones 26. Patti Smith 27. Aretha Franklin 28. Sly & the Family Stone 29. Miles Davies 30. Pixies and Blur (tie). I couldn't find the article itself on-line, but there's an outline on the BBC web site: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_187000/187303.stm Can anybody give more details about it? For example, the music makers that were asked? Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Poll of polls Date: 04 Nov 1998 17:56:10 EST In a message dated 11/4/98 9:33:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, jmy67@yahoo.com writes: << There does not have to be a constant volume of postings to this list. IMHO the volume should be proportional to the amount of KW news, gossip, activity and relevant discussion. If it becomes unwieldy, people with an interest in keeping abreast of KW news such as yours truly will just bag it and unsubscribe. >> I COULD NOT AGREE MORE!!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: Blasphemy!! FW: (kw) Re Fave Synth Date: 04 Nov 1998 22:16:29 EST In a message dated 11/4/98 4:39:06 PM, you wrote: <> KW started using *synths* on R&F - ie. - a minimoog etc (actually - that's all I think they used on that, I could be wrong. . . .) But if you consider that the 'Simeon' is basically not really a "synth" but a collection of various modules - oscillators, mixers, amps, etc, then the comparison is not completely valid because - - and I'm only guessing here - KW also used a collection of various sound making and sound modifying devices before R&F (could be that it is limited to feedback, but who knows?), though not collecting them under one "system" and giving them a 'hip' name. . . . . P.S. Speaking of feedback. . . . .does anyone know of a German 'band' in the late 60's/early 70's called Feedback? I was reading a synthesis book and it mentioned them in context with new and interesting (for 1975) 'live' performance ideas. . . . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ctzero@aol.com Subject: (kw) Female KW fans Date: 04 Nov 1998 23:23:58 EST Maybe women don't go for KW that much, because their songs tend to be about men's "toys"--bikes, trains, cars, models, computers, spacelabs, red light districts, radios, phone "sex" etc. Not that women don't enjoy these things too, but they don't seem to obsess so much with them! ;) David M "Erik J. Eid" wrote: > Some might say it's because women aren't as "into" Kraftwerk as the men > are. Unless every woman I saw at the Detroit concert was there simply to > go with a date or friend without interest of her own, I'd say there isn't a > severe shortage of female Kraftwerk fans. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) MiniDisc Kraftwerk trades (2nd sending) Date: 05 Nov 1998 00:18:58 -0500 I would be greatful if I could trade for some KW concerts, other than Tokyo, July, 1981 on MiniDisc. General MD trading welcome, too. Please E-mail me privately if you got the 411. Peace. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) REM and the boys Date: 05 Nov 1998 09:17:46 +0000 for folks in the UK (and those in greater Europe who can receive BBC TV): wondering off topic ever so slightly, this coming Friday's "Later with Jules Holland" is devoted entirely to REM. They will be playing an exclusive hour long set, almost certainly featuring material from their new album. jon Chris Raistrick wrote: > > a recent review of rem's new album says of a track called "hope":"it begins > like autobahn by kraftwerk,ends up sounding like something by neu! and > appears to wholeheartedly belong to mid 70s dusseldorf". > chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: FW: (kw) A burning question Date: 05 Nov 1998 04:41:45 EST I've talked about Kraftwerk whilst "on the job". I found it delayed my orgasm and allowed me to reach new heights of tantric mastery. Simply through boredom. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fischer, Hans-Peter" Subject: FW: FW: (kw) A burning question Date: 05 Nov 1998 10:57:00 +0100 MERSEYCHAM wrote:=09 > I've talked about Kraftwerk whilst "on the job". I found it delayed = my > orgasm > and allowed me to reach new heights of tantric mastery. Simply = through > boredom. >=20 >=20 You can=B4t be a real Fan then... If I would think about Kraftwerk = while having sex, I=B4d come immediatly... ;) (Maybe I should be more precise, thinking about the music, not about = the guys...) Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E1dio_97_FM?=" <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) itens for sale Date: 05 Nov 1998 08:42:32 -0200 Hi, all. I have many rare itens for sale (BOOTLEGS VIDEOS and CD-Rs) The videos was recorded at Mix Tour (91-92) ; Belgique, Holland, Italy The CDs includes concerts at Koln, Bringthon, Tribal Gathering and others (1975, 1997...). If you interested, contact me privately. Thanks !! Eduardo Monteiro 97fm@colatina.com.br # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Bodystyler pt. 5 Date: 05 Nov 1998 12:28:49 +0100 (NFT) The November/December issue of the German magazine Bodystyler is out, featuring the fifth part of a retrospective Kraftwerk article (nothing new or unusual, except for some nonsense about the red vinyl pressing of "Die Mensch-Maschine"), as well as a review of the recent Komputer concert in Duesseldorf. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Bodystyler pt. 5 Date: 05 Nov 1998 06:50:58 EST Bodystyler ? Is that a body-building magazine ? Have Ralf & Florian given up the gentle art of Fahrradfahren and have taken up pumping iron in Duesseldorf's equivalent of Muscle Beach ? I think we should be told ! DER KRAUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) fav groups Date: 05 Nov 1998 08:47:17 -0500 in no particular order kraftwerk, the beach boys, the cramps, wedding present (anything w/david gedge, really) and randy newman. ....go figure. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Introduction Date: 04 Nov 1998 20:00:49 +0100 Fischer, Hans-Peter wrote: >Recently I=B4ve listened to the radio and the guy there announced a song >called "Nummen/Computerwelt", but by a different artist and from a sampl= er >called "Spacenight CD", it was a remix of that Kraftwerk songs. (and not >that bad I might add) Do you know who "different artist" did this KW cover-version? TIA. >I got an answer where he admitted his mistake (He agreed on my insult: "You >haven=B4t made you homework!"), and wanted to gain more information, for >example: Who are the others besides H=FCtter and Schneider in the video? >(Guess it=B4s Hilpert and Schmitz) Exactly, they are Fritz Hilpert and Henning Schmitz. > What song is it that is played on the >video? Apparently it is called "Tribal" (or "Tribal Gathering") >And I=B4d really to know that... :) It is completly new. Hope this has been some help for you. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Not KW but possibly related in any way Date: 05 Nov 1998 14:01:48 +0100 Found on Mute, London info: This week's out: Depeche Mode - "Some Great Videos 81-85" reissued video Plastikman - "Artifakts (BC)" album (NovaMute) (The father of Richie Hawtin (and he himself) was a fanatic of KRAFTWERK and Tangerine Dream - Der Automat =AE) * Plastikman appears on 'decks, fx & 909' in the UK & Europe * Depeche Mode continue the N American leg of their Singles 86>98 tour All tour dates can be found in full on the Mute Web site http://www.mutelibtech.com/mute/ - What was released last week? Depeche Mode - "The Singles 81-85" remastered album DAF - "Die Kleinen und die Boesen", "Alles Ist Guet", "Gold Und Liebe", "Fuer Immer" album reissues (The Grey Area/Mute) - Forthcoming releases: 9/11 DAF "Der Mussolini" 12" single 16/11 Erasure "Tiny Tour" video (Mute Bank mail order only) DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Auto repeat / DJ Hell on Kraftwerk? Date: 05 Nov 1998 14:03:17 +0100 Hi there, Do you remember a 12" EP titled "Revisited", release on the SSR/Crammed Discs label (cat. no. SSR153) in 1994, by an act called Auto repeat that used the sleeve art from KRAFTWERK's 1981 West German-only 12" single of "Computer Welt"? Auto repeat is in fact a guy called Alex Mueller (aka DJ Elin), he comes from Vienna (the capital of Austria). And recently he has released anothe= r EP called "The Unbearable Lightness Of Autorepeating" (SSR records) which cover design has been pinched of an Iron Maiden's cover record. The "Munich Machine" LP by DJ Hell (aka Helmut Geier, from Nueremberg, Germany) was published by V2 records (the label directed by Richard Branson, the multimillonaire owner of Virgin company). This record pay tribute to the Munich sound (headed by Giorgio Moroder in the middle of 70's), in fact it contains a track called "For your love", a tribute to "= I feel love" by Donna Summer. The first single of the album has been "Suici= de Comando" a cover version of a song by a German band called No More that w= as released in the early 80's. DJ Hell directs the International Deejay Gigolos label applied to sleazy techno. On a completely unrelated note: Any grammar correction it will be welcome. Since I am learning English language. TIA. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) The Mix Date: 05 Nov 1998 11:06:11 +0100 Christian Di Sante wrote: > Does the german release of "The Mix" contain Die roboter, Radioaktivitaet, > Trans-Europa-Express sung in german? > TIA Is it a catch question? If not, the answer is: yes, it does. And also Computerliebe, Taschenrechner, Heimcomputer, Computerwelt, Abzug, Metall Auf Metall. 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nowhere000@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Bodystyler pt. 5 Date: 05 Nov 1998 09:46:14 EST << as well as a review of the recent Komputer concert in Duesseldorf. >> S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T (ON THIS MAILING LIST PLEASE) S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Komputer & Kraftwerk (was: Re: (kw) Bodystyler pt. 5) Date: 05 Nov 1998 18:21:29 +0100 (NFT) > S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T > (ON THIS MAILING LIST PLEASE) According to the intro message for this mailing list, the list is for the discussion of "Kraftwerk and other directly-related acts". If you think that Komputer (a straight Kraftwerk parody act) shouldn't be a topic on this mailing list, how do you define "directly-related act" then? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: Re: Komputer & Kraftwerk (was: Re: (kw) Bodystyler pt. 5) Date: 05 Nov 1998 10:01:04 -0800 (PST) Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > > S T O P K O M P U T E R A K T I T I V I T A T > > (ON THIS MAILING LIST PLEASE) > > According to the intro message for this mailing list, the list is > for the discussion of "Kraftwerk and other directly-related acts". > If you think that Komputer (a straight Kraftwerk parody act) shouldn't be > a topic on this mailing list, how do you define "directly-related act" then? Easy--a group containing a past or present member of Kraftwerk. Jeff _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Therese Molander" Subject: Re: (kw) A burning question Date: 05 Nov 1998 07:08:13 CET >> We do subscribe to lists, but don't bother to post a lot of stoopid >> stuff all the time like certain people do. > >I don't know about that...let's take a poll, shall we? > >Jeff >:-) Tsk, this was exactly my point, was this the best reply you could come up with? Therese ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 Subject: Re: (kw) A burning question Date: 05 Nov 1998 02:37:55 -0500 (EST) Therese Molander wrote: > >> We do subscribe to lists, but don't bother to post a lot of stoopid >> stuff all the time like certain people do. Jeff Young wrote: >I don't know about that...let's take a poll, shall we? > >Jeff >:-) i'm sorry, but i have to speak up. what the hell is wrong with you!?. after all this talk a woman admits to being on the list and you want to drive her away by ridiculing her. lame, low, and not needed. shame. lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neal Prime" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Paralysed? Date: 05 Nov 1998 02:26:13 PST In the current issue of Magic Feet magazine there is a review of Kraftwerk - From Dusseldorf To The Future. It is quite a lengthy review and the reviewer poses some interesting opinions. Magic Feet for those who are not familiar with it, is a techno magazine. Here is an excerpt which might interest you. "Personally, I think [Kraftwerk] are paralysed by their legacy... How can a band so accustomed to being light years ahead of the rest of the world reconcile themselves to the fact that their baby has grown up... multiplied itself to infinity and now stands far, far down the track from themselves?" This is probably the real problem that we ought to be helping Ralf and Florian with. Not imaginary bridge crossings. And as for those fucking polls. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicolau Centola" Subject: (kw) Karl Bartos preface Date: 05 Nov 1998 06:12:27 PST Yesteday I saw in a brazilian TV program that Karl Bartos wrote a=20 preface to a book about flyers. I=B4m not sure, but I think the book is=20 from Switzerland. Is this information correct? If yes, what=B4s the name=20 of the book? thanks peace Nicolau http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lux, Kevin" Subject: (kw) Re: Technik Review Date: 05 Nov 1998 11:41:48 -0600 Greetings all: Here is a review I just recieved for "Technik" my current album, from the Jimmy's Possession radio show in the UK which has coverage all over Europe.. His website/info is located at: http://come.to/robots ----- Kevin Lux, Technik CD Kevin's respect for Kraftwerk is evident from the off, even without the sleeve's dedication to "Ralf and Florian". "Ultraviolet" is techno plus several layers of simple electronic riffs that complement each other well but still leave plenty of space for the listener. It's topped with a skipping metronomic line that's pure 'werk. "Fingerverletzungsgefahr" adds a robotic Germanic vocal and "Automaton" finishes things off with more interesting beats to essentially produce a sister to "Pocket Calculator". It's not plagiarism though, Kevin tends to the ambient and, as the LP progresses, this become more apparent until we end with "Exit", an electro/space meld. robotkl@earthlink.net www.kevinlux.simplenet.com Thank you, I am touched by this. Kevin Lux http://www.kevinlux.simplenet.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nowhere000@aol.com Subject: Re: Komputer & Kraftwerk (was: Re: (kw) Bodystyler pt. 5) Date: 05 Nov 1998 17:08:15 EST << Easy--a group containing a past or present member of Kraftwerk. >> Is this the who copys karftwerk mailing list? If we were to spend as much time as you do posting Komputer live dates info ect ... With all the bands who have imitated or have some small connection (and Komputer does not) we would have little to no space in our mail boxes for the real band. Now please put an end to unrelated topics Komputer and all. EQ aka Nowhere000 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nowhere000@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Paralysed? Date: 05 Nov 1998 17:26:00 EST << This is probably the real problem that we ought to be helping Ralf and Florian with. Not imaginary bridge crossings. And as for those fucking polls. >> I for one have had enough I've been on this list in one from or another for almost two years. I've checked the list at Kraftwerk events/concerts (and daily at home) most of the time my mail box was flooded with bullshit about komputer or robots begging for money & ranteing about florian or jbvs constant bashing endless pointless polls..and what ifs I can go on but why waste more time and space the list needs reform before the new album comes...or else I'll be reading about the size of the shit komputer just took on stage and how they are going to use it as organic art on thier new lp cover Rather than the new over due music of kraftwerk Nowhere000 Aka EQ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) A burning question Date: 05 Nov 1998 12:40:00 -0800 (PST) Therese Molander wrote: > > >> We do subscribe to lists, but don't bother to post a lot of stoopid > >> stuff all the time like certain people do. > > > >I don't know about that...let's take a poll, shall we? > > > >Jeff >:-) > > Tsk, this was exactly my point, was this the best reply you could come up with? Considering that I suggested taking a poll very facetiously, I'm surprised that it was so misunderstood after the recent spate of anti-poll messages. I didn't ridicule anyone and if anyone took it as such, I apologize, but it's a bit of a stretch. I do, however, think it's ridiculous to be discussing the gender of listmembers. A good post is a good post, a useless one is a useless one. Jeff _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neal Prime" Subject: (kw) From Dusseldorf To Automat Date: 05 Nov 1998 16:15:28 PST This is especially for Automat who posted to the effect that discussing the new Kraftwerk book on this list was giving it undue publicity. On Saturday night on Radio One's Danny Rampling show, there was a discussion and a competition to win copies of the book. This was the first time this year that Kraftwerk had been mentioned on a prime-time mainstream radio show in the UK. In fact, it was probably their first mention in such circumstances since Tribal. So it looks like the book is doing good things. And please Klaus do not fire off a barrage of mean-spirited gripes to the effect that the book forgot to mention the inside leg measurement of some obscure German philosopher. I haven't read it so I don't want to get into an argument about tiny details. And who is the guy who needs a sex therapist for his bizarre premature ejaculation fantasies about Kraftwerk. I think we should be told. That was a very worrying p ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neal Prime" Subject: Re: (kw) Karl Bartos Preface Date: 05 Nov 1998 16:12:56 PST Nicolau Centola wrote: Yesterday I saw in a Brazilian TV program that Karl Bartos wrote a=20 preface to a book about flyers. I=B4m not sure, but I think the book is=20 from Switzerland. Is this information correct? If yes, what=B4s the=20 name of the book? Your information is correct. The book is called TECHNO STYLE by Martin=20 Pesch and Markus Weisbeck. The book was published in 1995 by Edition=20 Olms Zurich. The book is not just about flyers but dance-related=20 artwork such as record sleeves, fashion and so on. The Bartos preface=20 is interesting, especially in view of his recent LP. One interesting=20 point for all those who seemed to dislike Tim Barr's book because it=20 located Kraftwerk in the contemporary music world (stand up Klaus,=20 you're on!) is his assertion that "today even the greatest sceptic=20 must have realised that techno in all its forms, from hardcore to=20 trance, house and jungle by way of gabba and ambient, has established=20 itself as the music of the nineties." Predictably there is no e-mail address for the publishers but if you=20 cannot locate them by searching the Web and if enough people are=20 interested, I will try to find the time to type it out and post it=20 here. What=20 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) The Mix Date: 06 Nov 1998 01:51:12 +0100 Sorry, DE(A)R AUTOMAT, but I didn't know it, even if I could imagine the answer. I don't know everything as you do. Again my apologies. :-| Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it Christian Di Sante wrote: > Does the german release of "The Mix" contain Die roboter, Radioaktivitaet, > Trans-Europa-Express sung in german? > TIA Is it a catch question? If not, the answer is: yes, it does. And also Computerliebe, Taschenrechner, Heimcomputer, Computerwelt, Abzug, Metall Auf Metall. DER AUTOMAT Ū # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: "From Duesseldorf to the Future (with Love)" (was: (kw) From Date: 06 Nov 1998 09:08:05 +0100 (NFT) > From: "Neal Prime" > > all those who seemed to dislike Tim Barr's book because it located > Kraftwerk in the contemporary music world (stand up Klaus, you're on!) With great pleasure. ;-) My criticism (among others) about the book is *not* that it tries to locate Kraftwerk in the contemporary music world, my criticism is that it just pretends to do so by making massive use of name-checking etc. Nice examples for that are the parts about Stockhausen. Instead of explaining how Stockhausen may have influenced Kraftwerk, the author simply uses Stockhausen's name as a template for unusual music, and that's it. Strange sounds in "The Robots"? They must have been "Stockhausen- inspired" (p. 135). Strange sounds in "Pocket Calculator"? The case is obvious: "James Brown meets Karlheinz Stockhausen" (p. 149). And these are just two examples... > And please Klaus do not fire off a barrage of mean-spirited gripes to > the effect that the book forgot to mention the inside leg measurement > of some obscure German philosopher. > I haven't read it I already guessed, and I suspect that you haven't read my (and Gunther Poecker's) previous posts about the book very carefully either. ;-) > From: Armin.Poecker@t-online.de (Armin Poecker) > > Then, there are at least two passages in his book where it is sure > he has used other people's work without giving credit: [...] > He has also 'borrowed' the passages on W. Meyer-Eppler and his 'The > Voice of Energy' from Aktivitaet. He should at least have mentioned > that the interviews have been translated and are thus not original > quotes; this would have been the minimum for a non-fictional work. He has also used JBV's translations of French articles from this mailing list without marking them as translations and without crediting the translator, by the way. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fischer, Hans-Peter" Subject: FW: (kw) Introduction Date: 06 Nov 1998 09:28:13 +0100 > >Recently I=B4ve listened to the radio and the guy there announced a = song > >called "Nummen/Computerwelt", but by a different artist and from a > sampler > >called "Spacenight CD", it was a remix of that Kraftwerk songs. (and = not > >that bad I might add) >=20 > Do you know who "different artist" did this KW cover-version? > TIA. >=20 The conversion is done by Anthony Rother... The story (as I=B4ve been = told it by the guy from the radio station) is, that Alex Azary/Aural Float , = who is responsible for the music in Space Night (which is by the way a TV = "show" that runs late in the night and shows films recorded by Space Shuttles = and Satellites, hence the name, Space at Night...), wanted to have Nummern/Computerwelt running to it, but got no permission to use it, so = he asked Anthony Rother to do a 1:1 cover of it. I assume it only appears = on the SpaceNight CD. The CD is very good, there are a lot of other good ambient and elektro = style tracks on it.=20 Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Re: Komputer & Kraftwerk Date: 06 Nov 1998 09:09:35 +0100 (NFT) > From: Nowhere000@aol.com > > With all the bands who have imitated or have some small connection > (and Komputer does not) Some obvious things they have in common are: - extremely similar music, - a very similar stage show, - extremely similar statements when being interviewed, - a common record company publicity campaign, to promote Kraftwerk and Komputer products simultaneously. Some more parallels are discussed in the article I've mentioned yesterday. BTW: You haven't answered my question: How do you define a directly Kraftwerk-related act? > From: Jeff Young > > > According to the intro message for this mailing list, the list is > > for the discussion of "Kraftwerk and other directly-related acts". > > If you think that Komputer (a straight Kraftwerk parody act) > > shouldn't be a topic on this mailing list, how do you define > > "directly-related act" then? > > Easy--a group containing a past or present member of Kraftwerk. Yes, that's a possibility. But if it's really that easy, I think it would be clearer if the intro message stated this explicitely instead of (intentionally?) using such vague terms. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) From Dusseldorf To Automat Date: 06 Nov 1998 04:17:23 EST In a message dated 06/11/98 00:21:07 GMT, you write: << And who is the guy who needs a sex therapist for his bizarre premature ejaculation fantasies about Kraftwerk. I think we should be told. That was a very worrying >> That would be me, then. DER KRAUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) The Mix Date: 06 Nov 1998 10:59:35 +0100 >Is it a catch question? >If not, the answer is: yes, it does. And also Computerliebe, >Taschenrechner, Heimcomputer, Computerwelt, Abzug, Metall Auf Metall. > >DER AUTOMAT Ū ---------- What?!? Are there german lyrics in "Abzug" and "Metall auf metall" ?!? I didn't know. Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it >Is it a catch question? >If not, the answer is: yes, it does. And also Computerliebe, >Taschenrechner, Heimcomputer, Computerwelt, Abzug, Metall Auf Metall. > >DER AUTOMAT Ū # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Karl Bartos Preface Date: 06 Nov 1998 14:33:48 -0000 geniune question. what is gabba music? sorry if this is slightly off topic. chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Separate messages, from the horse's mouth Date: 06 Nov 1998 15:45:39 +0100 My apologies if somebody of you took offense, but I was only joking. Excuse me, I find it hard to stop myself from replying. Dead Reaper wrote: > Now of course if I were the Automat, I would miraculously manage to > answer this with 16 messages. I tried but those are too many messages, nevertheless... >But no, I always have to be different. OK. That's fine. I wouldn't like if we were the same person. ;-) > Collect them together & do them all as one. Then we can just delete one > without reading it rather than several thousand. OK. I'll try next time. > >I take a liking to all these complaining posts. >=20 > Why not take heed of them too? Oh, God knows I try. > God! Hotmail's slow enough as it is!!! I pity you having to read your > own postings! Thanks. When that happens, I always think "what have I done to deserve this?" :-D And think "oh no it's me again!" ;-) > Thanks to eff Young & Ultravox5 (or was it 6?) for their support. Yes. Thank you very much for all your educational comments. > That's a vain attempt to be funny, I believe, but the tongue is > unfortunately not duly practised, so the words do in a strange fashion > read. Thank you again for all your comments. Jeff Young wrote: >> What would you do without all my separate messages? > Spend ten minutes a day less deleting crap? Honestly -and without despising to anybody-, I think that it is worse to spend ten minutes to read polls. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mallade" <0732240d01@cplus.es> Subject: RE: (kw) Karl Bartos Preface Date: 06 Nov 1998 16:08:58 +0100 >geniune question. what is gabba music? sorry if this is slightly off >topic. >chris It's a hmm very fast kind of techno, 180-250bpm... Really hard. Famous gabba acts are D.O.A. (Disciples of Annihilation) and Ultraviolence/Johnny Violent. ________________________________________________________________________ m a l l a d e @ a b o n a d o s . c p l u s . e s m e m b e r s . t r i p o d . c o m / ~ m a l l a d e # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KING Subject: (kw) Tokion magazine Date: 06 Nov 1998 10:23:42 -0600 (CST) Most of you have probably seen this already but I do not spend a lot of time interacting on the list so please forgive me if this is old news. In the current issue of Tokyion magazine there are some very cool photos of the KW boys. As a much more intelligent member than I once pointed out to me, KW is not supposed to be a futurisic band with any kind of Sci-fi motif, however, these pics really look like something out of a totaly rad sci-fi flick to me. If you have seen these ignore me, if you have not seen these, ignore me anyway. I am used to it by now! In Rythmus Bleiben, Bryce # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hans-Peter.Fischer@dresdner-bank.com Subject: FW: (kw) Karl Bartos Preface Date: 06 Nov 1998 16:36:07 -0000 Already sent this before, but it didn=B4t seem to make it all the = way... :( > -----Original Message----- > From: Fischer, Hans-Peter=20 > Sent: Friday, November 06, 1998 15:47 > To: 'kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com' > Subject: FW: (kw) Karl Bartos Preface >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Raistrick [SMTP:chris.raistrick@tis.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, November 06, 1998 15:34 > To: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: (kw) Karl Bartos Preface >=20 >=20 > geniune question. what is gabba music? sorry if this is slightly off > topic. > chris >=20 > /busbykg/kraftwerk/FA >=20 >=20 >=20 > That=B4s a dutch hardcore techno style with 180 bpm and more... >=20 >=20 > Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) directly related acts Date: 06 Nov 1998 09:16:15 -0800 (PST) Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > From: Jeff Young ... > > > how do you define "directly-related act" then? > > > > Easy--a group containing a past or present member of Kraftwerk. > > Yes, that's a possibility. But if it's really that easy, I think it would > be clearer if the intro message stated this explicitely instead of > (intentionally?) using such vague terms. I doubt that it was considered much either way. That there are now groups trying to cash in on KW's name but relative (OK, extreme) inactivity is unfortunate and somewhat unexpected, I would imagine, to the writer of the list's guidelines. For those who know New Order, for example, think that if this were a New Order list, you could discuss New Order, Joy Division, Revenge, Monaco, Electronic and The Other Two but not the Pet Shop Boys, which contain a member of Electronic but NOT the New Order half. I think that should be the spirit of "directly related" acts. DER LAUNDROMAT AUS NEW YORK _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fischer, Hans-Peter" Subject: FW: (kw) Karl Bartos Preface Date: 06 Nov 1998 15:47:09 +0100 > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Raistrick [SMTP:chris.raistrick@tis.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, November 06, 1998 15:34 > To: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: (kw) Karl Bartos Preface >=20 >=20 > geniune question. what is gabba music? sorry if this is slightly off > topic. > chris >=20 > /busbykg/kraftwerk/FA >=20 >=20 >=20 That=B4s a dutch hardcore techno style with 180 bpm and more... Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Therese Molander" Subject: Re: (kw) A burning question Date: 06 Nov 1998 06:42:29 CET >Therese Molander wrote: >> >>> We do subscribe to lists, but don't bother to post a lot of stoopid >>> stuff all the time like certain people do. > >Jeff Young wrote: > >>I don't know about that...let's take a poll, shall we? >> >>Jeff >:-) > >i'm sorry, but i have to speak up. what the hell is wrong with you!?. >after all this talk a woman admits to being on the list and you want to >drive her away by ridiculing her. lame, low, and not needed. shame. > >lenny g Wow! Are there more guys like you out there Lenny? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Therese Molander" Subject: Re: (kw) A burning question Date: 06 Nov 1998 06:44:48 CET >I do, however, think it's ridiculous to be discussing the gender of >listmembers. A good post is a good post, a useless one is a useless >one. > >Jeff True, I agree, but why do all these useless postings have to come from men? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 Subject: (kw) relevant Date: 06 Nov 1998 01:00:33 -0500 (EST) here is a simple equation: Kraftwerk + Influence = (insert band name here) it can be Elektric Music, Yamo, Neu, Komputer, Kraftwelt, Add N To X, Spacelab, my band which is called Conventional Standards, if Kraftwerk had an affect/influence on it, it is related and relavant. and even if Komputer sucks donkey dick, or they are the best thing since Kraftwerk, that is a matter of opinion and not a fact. we can talk about Afrika Baambaata, Terre Thaemlitz, all the slovakian/trancewerkian shit bands or anything Kraftwerk influenced or affected throughout their existance. KW have done a good enough job of keeping inside a privete bubble themselves. and i have a feeling that the reason for no new material is becasue they realize they can't top themselves. so if bands like Komputer keep their spirit alive, even if these bands are unoriginal and copy KW they do this by choice and should recognized adn respected for that. if you don't like their music, that is an opinion, unless KW releases a formal protest against Komputer or it's likes, they are just as related to KW as KW themselves. thank you, lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lawrence Nelson" Subject: (kw) tangents Date: 06 Nov 1998 10:48:48 -0500 What was the relationship of Bowie,Eno and Schneider in the late 70's? ...and did David Bryne have any association with Kraftwerk through Eno? I see Byrne is touring as of late with the Balanescu Quartet (who did a great 'classical' style cover album of Kraftwerk by the way). I've been listening to Heroes and long ago picked up on "V2 Schneider". And I know the full recording references meeting "David Bowie & Iggy Pop at the Dusseldorf Station." (Station to Station???) Anyway... I grabbed an old lp recording of TEE to listen to while I run... out of habit I usually skip Hall of Mirrors ...except I'm running so I leave it on and I hear this lyric... Sometimes he saw his real face And sometimes a stranger at his place Even the greatest stars find their face in the looking glass Even the greatest stars find their face in the looking glass (then) He made up the person he wanted to be And changed into a new personality Even the greatest stars change themselves in the looking glass Even the greatest stars change themselves in the looking glass Which made me think of David Byrne's (later)lyric from Remain in Light's "Seen and Not Seen" He would see faces in movies, on T.V., in magazines, and in books.... He thought that some of these faces might be right for him....And through the years, by keeping an ideal facial structure fixed in his mind....Or somewhere in the back of his mind....That he might, by force of will, cause his face to approach those of his ideal....The change would be very subtle... (then) He imagined that this was an ability he shared with most other people....They had also molded their faced according to some ideal....Maybe they imagined that their new face would better suit their personality....Or maybe they imagined that their personality would be forced to change to fit the new appear- ance....This is why first impressions are often correct... Out of context they sound slighty similar ...but when I heard the songs recently I couldn't help but imagine David Bryne being inspired for these lyrics from Hall of Mirrors # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: postage regulator Subject: (kw) Re: Spoof Date: 06 Nov 1998 10:13:28 -0800 (PST) I am the operator with my Postage Regulator. http://members.xoom.com/pstge_rgultr/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon & Julie Subject: (kw) Rhodri Kasperbauer Date: 06 Nov 1998 18:38:00 -0000 I am trying to track down an old friend of mine (we were at school = together), by the name of Rhodri Kasperbauer - it's quite possible that = someone on this list knows him - he is a major fan of Kraftwerk. If you = do know him, could you let him have my email address and ask him to = contact me - it would be greatly appreciated. Best wishes Jon Fagg Dead Man's Curve The Tyrants Of Twang: http://www.jukebox.demon.co.uk HangNine - Surf Music WebZine: http://www.zoo.co.uk/~z8000322/index.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) A burning question Date: 06 Nov 1998 13:50:58 -0700 (MST) On Fri, 6 Nov 1998, Therese Molander wrote: > >i'm sorry, but i have to speak up. what the hell is wrong with you!?. > >after all this talk a woman admits to being on the list and you want to > >drive her away by ridiculing her. lame, low, and not needed. shame. > > Wow! Are there more guys like you out there Lenny? Everybody stampedes to reply "Over here!"... I'm getting tired of people griping about the list volume, so I'll be perverse and add to it with my own gripes. Sure, I'm not hot about severely off-topic stuff like meaningless polls, but there's an easy solution to that one: put the poll on a web page and just send one message to advertise it. As for the people trying to get Komputer discussion booted off the list: Give it a rest! In the absense of news about KW - which is kinda slim most of the time - there isn't much else to talk about. Ultimately it's Dave's and Lazlo's call, but I consider KW samplers KW-related by definition. I can sympathize with European list members who have to pay more to read lots of e-mail though. That's really a sad system. Flat rate is the only way to go. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: (kw) Re: tangents Date: 06 Nov 1998 18:31:06 -0700 >Lawrence Nelson writes.... "I grabbed an old lp recording of TEE to listen to while I run... out of habit I usually skip Hall of Mirrors ...except I'm running so I leave it on and I hear this lyric...."Even the greatest stars find their face in the looking glass." Which made me think of David Byrne's (later)lyric from Remain in Light's "Seen and Not Seen"....This is why first impressions are often correct. Out of context they sound slighty similar ...but when I heard the songs recently I couldn't help but imagine David Bryne being inspired for these lyrics from Hall of Mirrors." .> Great Post! This is why I subscribe. Don't forget the other fill in words used in "Spiegelsaal/The Hall of Mirrors"...... "Even the greatest stars discover/dislike/live/fix their face in the looking glass." http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/kw2000.htm "Aus des Weitails Ferne, Funken Radiosterne Pulsare und Quasare" "RADIO STARS" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 Subject: (kw) werk non-kraft/ empty-v Date: 06 Nov 1998 19:46:18 -0500 (EST) could someone please tell me what are the "directly related bands"? i am being serious, not joking, i know my kraftwerk, but other than elektric music and yamo i don't know who else was in kraftwerk and has a separate band or solo albums. i am referring to the statement below: how do you define "directly-related act" then? > > > > Easy--a group containing a past or present member of Kraftwerk also, if it's of any interest to anyone the theme music of MTV's new show called "The Cut" (hosted by that fucked up, pyro-bitch from TLC, Lisa "Left Eye" Lopez) features a sample from "The Telephone Call" by our beloved Kraftwerk. Actually it's more like the entire bridge of the song, not just a sample. i missed the credit because it went by too fast, but i'll try to tape it next time. thank you, lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: Blasphemy!! FW: (kw) Re Fave Synth Date: 05 Nov 1998 11:17:03 -0500 In a message dated 11/4/98 4:39:06 PM, you wrote: >KW started using *synths* on R&F - ie. - a minimoog etc (actually - = that's all >I think they used on that, I could be wrong. . . .) But if you = consider that >the 'Simeon' is basically not really a "synth" but a collection of = various >modules - oscillators, mixers, amps, etc, then the comparison is not >completely valid because - - and I'm only guessing here - KW also = used a >collection of various sound making and sound modifying devices before = R&F >(could be that it is limited to feedback, but who knows?), though not >collecting them under one "system" and giving them a 'hip' name. . . . = . Well, what is a synth? I always thought it WAS a collection of = oscillators, mixers, amps, filters, etc. Granted, a digital synth may = be different, but we're talking the days of analog here. It is the = difference between modifying the sound of an instrument, like a guitar = with a fuzzbox (the song that comes to mind is the beginning of Strom = on KW2), and creating a sound entirely within the instrument. Without = question, a synth is an instrument. An oscillator is part of a synth, = but in and of itself it doesn't make a synth. Without it's oscillators, = mixers, amps, filters, any synth is nothing more than a kluge to salvage = parts from. A real synth (Moog, Korg, Casio, etc) may well be a much smaller and = more astethic piece of equipment, and capable of doing just about = everything except your laundry. But - get right down to the nuts and = bolts of it, and the Simeon is a unique, primitive synth. I'm certain = that the early synths used by KW were more mass produced (although = modified, I'm sure). It is that aspect that gives both bands a unique = place in electronic music. Playing is one thing, but playing in a = unique manner is what separates the conventional groups from the = leaders. A prime example of the point is KW1 and KW2 - I was explaining these to = a friend of mine who does not like KW (well, to each their own). He = always thought, like I did, that they created their unique style to show = off the sounds that could be made with a synth. But - in KW1 and KW2, = they showed off the same style without the synth, and it looks to me = like the synth merely allowed them to develop more into the group we = know and love. While I'm thinking about it...on KW1, Ralf is given the credits of = playing something called a Tubon. I am not familiar with this = instrument. Does anyone know what it is, what it does, etc...if it's a = conventional instrument, what is it called in English? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Poll of polls Date: 05 Nov 1998 11:30:18 -0500 >Is this where we all sing Kumbaya? You can if you want. I'm busy writing lyrics for Strom. Bill Dobiesz Warren, MI, USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: (kw) FW: Message Bounce: Obscure electronica Date: 07 Nov 1998 01:21:35 -0500 This is a first: this message bounced because of "excessive quoted = text"..huh? It was a 100% completely original message with NO quoted = text whatsoever. Oh well, I'll try it again. Like everything else here lately, this is off topic, so I'll keep it short: =20 About 25 years ago or so, I had an album called "The Copper Plated Integrated Circuit". It was synth, but extremely simple music (compared to KW). I would like to get my hands on another copy of it, but I don't remember who did it. Has anyone heard of it? Know who did it? I'm almost tempted to say Walter Carlos (definately not Wendy), although it is much simpler than anything I have heard by Walter/Wendy. =20 Thanks to anyone who can help! If you can't help, just ignore this message, please don't whip me for being off-topic. I just couldn't think of a better place to ask. =20 Bill Dobiesz Warren, MI, USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) Computerwelt Date: 07 Nov 1998 08:59:35 +0100 Interpol und Deutsche Bank FBI und Scottland Yard Flensburg und das BKA Haben unsere Daten da. Nummern, Zahlen, Handel, Leute Computerwelt - denn Zeit ist Geld Interpol und Deutsche Bank FBI und Scottland Yard Finanzamt und das BKA Haben unsere Daten da. Nummern, Zahlen, Handel, Leute Computerwelt - denn Zeit ist Geld Automat und Telespiel Leiten heut' die Zukunft ein Computer für den Kleinbetrieb Computer für das Eigenheim Reisen, Zeit, Medizin, Unterhaltung Computerwelt - denn Zeit ist Geld # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Måns Sjöstrand Subject: Re: (kw) directly related acts Date: 07 Nov 1998 10:07:05 +0100 For those who know New Order, > for example, think that if this were a New Order list, you could > discuss New Order, Joy Division, Revenge, Monaco, Electronic and The > Other Two but not the Pet Shop Boys, which contain a member of > Electronic but NOT the New Order half. =20 I am quite sure that Johny Marr was guitarist in The Smiths. - M=E5ns # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) "Elektrodomesticos" / Andrew McCluskey & Karl Bartos Date: 07 Nov 1998 11:36:42 +0100 Recently a double CD and double LP titled "Elektrodomesticos" has been published. This record includes more than 14 Spanish artists who make electro genre, the most are=20 influenced by Kraftwerk. Artists list: Hippaly, Zeta, Carlito's Circus, Koshmaker, Metal Artifakts, Kapi, Moockie, Kenoby, Optimus Beat vs. Supercinexcene, Elektrosher, Split DJ, Sace 2, N-Efeto, Quinientosquince vs. Supercinexcene. The record label is Tu Pierdes and i= t is being distributed by Boa. The number catalogue is TP-0009. On a unrelated note. Now that OMD no longer exists I wonder why Andrew McCluskey and Karl Bart= os do not make a musical project together. I think it would be interesting. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Need info Date: 07 Nov 1998 11:23:02 +0100 Please, Does anybody of you have some info about the following recordings?: (Founded at Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR's list, thanks Edu!) RUCKZUK (DUSSELDORF-NOTTINGHAM-SHEFFIELD) - various - CD EP - RTD 176.12522.2 26 - Rough Trade - Germany. Apparently it contains cover versions from german bands (?) DJ=D5S BEST - (colect w/Tour de Franceoriginal) - CD - BMG 261281-222 - Germany. Seemingly an official release!! but which version? More details? DAS MODEL (12 inch version) - Dance Robots - CD single - WEA 9031-72376-2= =20 -Ger? 1990. Is Das Model or Das Modell the name of the band? KNITING FACTORY TOURS EUROPE 1991(Autobahn cover) - CD - Enemy Label ??? = - Germany. More covers. Mo' details will be welcome. RUCKZUK (DUSSELDORF-NOTTINGHAM-SHEFFIELD) - various - CD EP - RTD 176.12522.2 26 - Rough Trade- Germany. single EP Again cover versions, what ones? ??????? - BLUESY TOOSEY - CD - Atlantic ACT 9200-2 1991ALBUMS It appears that was a record on wich Florian played flute - but not KW...??!?! Is this record the same as ??????? - NERO IN SOUTH AMERICA - CD? LP? - Liberty LBS 83 426 I 1970 - FlorianSchneider on flute. Repressings do not list the Florian Schneidercredits. Thanks in advance. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) The Mix Date: 07 Nov 1998 11:43:56 +0100 Hello. Christian Di Sante wrote: >What?!? >Are there german lyrics in "Abzug" and "Metall auf metall" ?!? >I didn't know. Oh, what a mistake! Of course not. You're right, excuse me. >geniune question. ;-) >what is gabba music? sorry if this is slightly off topic. Gabba or Gabber is as in Amsterdam is known the most radical genre of the Techno the Hardcore Techno. Accelerated, low, deep and powerful rhythms. = In Spain we know it as Bakalao or Jarko. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drew dibble Subject: Re: (kw) Need info Date: 07 Nov 1998 07:38:27 -0500 Der Automat wrote: > > Please, > Does anybody of you have some info about the following recordings?: > (Founded at Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR's list, thanks Edu!) > > RUCKZUK (DUSSELDORF-NOTTINGHAM-SHEFFIELD) - various - CD EP - RTD > 176.12522.2 26 - Rough Trade - Germany. > Apparently it contains cover versions from german bands (?) these are cover versions by the 'technocrates' i think. i'm fairly sure they're all by the same artist(s). i have them in mp3, and in my opinion, they are very good. track listing: ruckzuck [duesseldorf #3] [6:14] ruckzuck [nottingham #1] [5:13] ruckzuck [sheffield #1] [6:37] ruckzuck [duesseldorf #1] [4:11] ruckzuck [sheffield #4] [6:27] ruckzuck [duesseldorf #2] [6:13] i have been searching record shops for that EP, but i haven't found it. -drew ---- drew dibble 'we have always been a virtual reality' -ralf hutter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Komputer & Kraftwerk Date: 06 Nov 1998 02:10:59 +0100 >- a common record company publicity campaign, to promote Kraftwerk and > Komputer products simultaneously. excuse me but lately I was not a tight reader of the list: do you mean the *same* record company? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Tokion magazine Date: 06 Nov 1998 02:17:44 +0100 >Most of you have probably seen this already but I do not spend a lot >of time interacting on the list so please forgive me if this is old news. >In the current issue of Tokyion magazine there are some very cool photos >of the KW boys. I have not seen these pics nor did I knew they existed. is Tokion a japanese magazine? do these pictures appears on line somewhere? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: RE: (kw) Karl Bartos Preface Date: 06 Nov 1998 02:14:46 +0100 >geniune question. what is gabba music? sorry if this is slightly off topic. well, the only thing I can think to is that a very famous song of the Ramones (a *very* minimal group in their glorious days) had words like "gabba gabba hey". it became a motto for their fans. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: (kw) See? I told you we'd get hollered at. Date: 05 Nov 1998 11:25:27 -0500 >Folks, please stop posting all this non-Kraftwerk junk to the list. If = you Don't whip me again, please Mr. Moderator...I swear I'll get back on = topic. Just don't whip me again. >This list exists so people have a place to discuss Kraftwerk. Please = try to >stay at least *close* to that topic of discussion. Seriously, put very nicely. Moderation without the iron fist that = certain list members (who shall remain nameless) would = use...a...moderate moderator. Bill Dobiesz Warren, MI, USA --=20 Lazlo Nibble | "There's no moral, Uncle Remus, just lazlo@swcp.com | random acts of meaningless violence." http://www.swcp.com/lazlo | -- Michael O'Donoghue # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original = sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: = http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: 06 Nov 1998 17:07:58 +0100 >I don't think I'd like Computer World as much if it were performed with a >bass, guitar & real drums. why not? try to imagine it in a dry stile, something like the early Television or Talking Heads... or a sort of rockish Balanescu... I think it would be interesting... (oops... sorry if I mentioned two non-K related bands... :-) ) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Green Kraftwerk ? Date: 06 Nov 1998 17:21:46 +0100 >Vegetarian diets how do we know this? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) "Elektrodomesticos" / Andrew McCluskey & Karl Bartos Date: 06 Nov 1998 15:55:37 +0100 >Now that OMD no longer exists I wonder why Andrew McCluskey and Karl Bartos >do not make a musical project together. I think it would be interesting. didn't a similar collaboration produced the first Electric Music album? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Joseph Beuys and Kraftwerk Date: 06 Nov 1998 17:19:04 +0100 >Art is controversy. Controversy is art. hey, I like Computer world, it's absolutely not controverse to me. is then art? :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Green Kraftwerk ? Date: 07 Nov 1998 21:38:24 +0500 On 06-Nov-98, lbo wrote: >>Vegetarian diets And don't forget that the robots are into Tai Chi ('Movement 24: Ride Bicycle Up Mountain")... Seems like a Green sort of thing to do... :-) -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Vidar Bergan Subject: (kw) Electric Music trade Date: 08 Nov 1998 13:40:56 +-100 I have a sealed spare copy of this year's Electric Music album, and I = would like to trade it with a copy of the Yamo album. Or a good = Kraftwerk live recording that includes the new songs "Tribal" and = "Airwaves". Mail me privately. Jon Vidar Bergan, Norway # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) tangents Date: 07 Nov 1998 13:50:23 +0100 Lawrence Nelson wrote: > What was the relationship of Bowie,Eno and Schneider in the late 70's? > ..and did David Bryne have any association with Kraftwerk through Eno? > I see Byrne is touring as of late with the Balanescu Quartet (who did > a great 'classical' style cover album of Kraftwerk by the way). >=20 > I've been listening to Heroes and long ago picked up on "V2 Schneider". >=20 > And I know the full recording references meeting "David Bowie & Iggy Po= p > at the Dusseldorf Station." (Station to Station???) The TEE lyric says: "From station to station back to Dusseldorf City Meet Iggy Pop and David Bowie" David Bowie was smitten and was acting almost as their unpaid publicist. His 1976 tour opened with non-stop KRAFTWERK tapes, and his 1977 albums, "Low" (RCA, 1977), "Heroes" (RCA, 1977) -wich flip-side is introducing by= a dinamic homage to KRAFTWERK, and the track "V-2 Schneider" is a tribute t= o Ralf & Florian, but it sounds to La D=FCsseldorf- and "Lodger" (RCA, 1979= ) (The Berlin trilogy, wich Brian Eno is the dark soul), showed an enormous KRAFTWERK influence. Also Bowie and Iggy Pop are in view in the "Trans-Europe Express" video-clip, which lyrics cite to both. Bowie edite= d a LP called "Station To Station" (RCA, 1976) from what KRAFTWERK inspired to make "Trans Europe Express", it appears according to some music critic= s. While it published this record it rumored of a presumed colaboration KRAFTWERK/Bowie. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JT Subject: (kw) Active-K: Belgium 1981 Date: 08 Nov 1998 12:56:34 -0500 Hello once again! The latest update at Active-K has been posted. This time the feature is selected tracks from Kraftwerk's Belgium 1981 concert. Information on how to download can be found at resonance underground on the Active-K page: http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/activek.html Also, for anyone interested, the "unreleased" area on the Efofex page has been updated with a new song sample. Simply follow the [audio] link from the Efofex home page. Additionally, for those who have AWE32/64 or Live! sound cards, the Efofex *noise* archive has been updated with new 'custom made' Soundfont (SF2) files. These files are at no charge and are freely distributable, courtesy of f(x). The soundfont section will be getting lots of attention in the coming weeks, so check back. Sincerely, -John ______________________________________________________________ The Electronica of Efofex - "No presets" http://efofex.simplenet.com Join the f(x) mailing list! http://efofex.simplenet.com/mailinglist.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peeters Ivo" Subject: Re: (kw) Need info Date: 08 Nov 1998 21:37:19 +0100 >DJ=D5S BEST - (colect w/Tour de Franceoriginal) - CD - BMG 261281-222 - >Germany. >Seemingly an official release!! but which version? More details? > According to my information this contains a 3.42 remix (probably the 7" version). >DAS MODEL (12 inch version) - Dance Robots - CD single - WEA 9031-72376-= 2 >-Ger? 1990. >Is Das Model or Das Modell the name of the band? > Dance Robots is the name of the band. The CD single contains a 7 inch version (3.50) and a 12 inch version (6.32) of 'Das Modell". >KNITING FACTORY TOURS EUROPE 1991(Autobahn cover) - CD - Enemy Label ???= - >Germany. This one contains Autobahn by Gary Lucas. The CD has catalog no. KFN-CD 105. Ivo Peeters # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: RE: (kw) tangents Date: 08 Nov 1998 15:06:54 +0500 On 07-Nov-98, Der Automat wrote: >KRAFTWERK influence. Also Bowie and Iggy Pop are in view in the >"Trans-Europe Express" video-clip, which lyrics cite to both. I was told by a friend who had seen KW's 1981 show at the Ritz in NYC that when Iggy and Bowie appeared on the video, Ralf said, "Meet--" and was silent as the audience erupted into applause. :-) Re Eno: I read that Ralf once said to him, "What music ISN'T experimental?" -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) kw records for trade Date: 08 Nov 1998 23:38:19 +0000 I have a page with a list of kw records I have for trade or sale. Also some other artists, such as Jarre and a few more. If interested: http://www.arrakis.es/~jgc/personal/kwtrade.htm Thanks, Jose Garcia aktivitat@arrakis.es # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: (kw) Sermonette Date: 08 Nov 1998 20:23:35 +0500 "Holy Saint Florian, spare my house; set fire to my neighbor's!" -- Albert Einstein in a letter to Immanuel Velikovsky (St. Florian is the patron saint of firemen)... _____ Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EJRSemiGod@aol.com Subject: (kw) Hola! Date: 08 Nov 1998 19:16:51 EST Hey! I've been a Kraftwerk Mailing list member for quite some time.. But I thought I'd reintroduce myself since I've been out of the loop since about summertime or so. I subscribed to the digest because the mail became too much.. but I failed to read any of the digests..so it was kind of pointless.. Anyway, if any of you are still around from the great Kraftwerk Articles debate of the summer, I recieved them in the mail.. a LARGE stack, all promoting different albums, interviews, pictures, etc, dating back to autobahn, up through about Computer World.. I still plan on scanning these ASAP, but won't have the time to translate them all.. I'm looking for a little help in that department.. So if I scan these things, can I get a few voulenteers who would be willing to translated these mothers? Right! And on another tangent.. I have this beautiful, unofficil disc of official "Tour De France" mixes, and was wondering if it would hurt anyone if I put a mix or two up at a time in MP3 format? Let me know! And hey! Any news about a new Kraftwerk, or, for that matter, the next best thing, KOMPUTER album?! Later! EJR # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: (kw) Nummern Date: 08 Nov 1998 22:14:53 +0500 I know that KW are into shortwave radio and numbers... Here they are together, as Dali said when he was asked why he painted Gala with lamb chops on her shoulder. Do you think Ralf and/or Florian have ever heard these numbers broadcasts? I've used them myself on my own recordings of electronic music... http://www.access.digex.net/~cps/numbers.html -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fredrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4llman?= Subject: (kw) Tubon Date: 09 Nov 1998 09:36:00 +0100 Thu, 5 Nov 1998 William Dobiesz wrote: "...on KW1, Ralf is given the credits of playing something called a Tubon. I am not familiar with this instrument. Does anyone know what it is, what it does, etc...if it's a conventional instrument, what is it called in English?" The Tubon is a kind of primitve electronic instrument in the form of a black tube (ca 0,75-1,00 m long) with a keyboard on it. I don't know how it works or how it sounds (except on KW1), but I have seen a Tubon once in a music shop here in Stockholm two or three years ago. The shopkeeper claimed it to be a Swedish invention and the instrument he had was used and built in the late 1960's-early 70's. I returned to the shop months later and had been considering buying it but then it had been sold and the shop had changed owner, the new owner knew nothing (about the Tubon). Mysterious incident - and instrument! Since I am already writing a post I might re-introduce myself to the list. I changed name (and e-mail) from Jonsson to F=E4llman when I got married in August (not her name but an old family name on my side...). I am an old Kraftwerk-fan and Sinology researcher at Stockholm University and I don't like excessive uninteresting polls and multi-postings from the same person on this list (thanks lenny g). This is a list for nerds and/or semi-nerds but try to keep it on the serious nerd-level...and by the way. Those on the list who are "learning English", why not German if you are a Kraftwerk-fan. Warum nicht? Eine sch=F6ne Sprache.... =46redrik F # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) A burning question Date: 09 Nov 1998 09:45:22 +0000 Ra wrote: > > I can sympathize with European list members who have to pay more to read > lots of e-mail though. That's really a sad system. Flat rate is the only > way to go. > Speak for yourself matey, not all of us 'pay as you go', and some of us have cable modems, can't get more flat rate than that! Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: FW: (kw) A burning question Date: 09 Nov 1998 09:48:19 +0000 MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: > > I've talked about Kraftwerk whilst "on the job". I found it delayed my orgasm > and allowed me to reach new heights of tantric mastery. Simply through > boredom. > I find thinking about the queen mother does the same trick! Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark reed Subject: (kw) 1+2+Ralf+Florian Date: 12 Jul 1998 22:54:14 +0100 Picked up the UK issue double gatefold reissue of 1+2 ('waves' cover) and the UK edition of R+F with the circuit board cover.. are these rare? How much are they worth? -- mark reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) A burning question Date: 09 Nov 1998 14:13:08 -0000 someone said "in the absence of news about kraftwerk..." . let's see now: they've played 10 gigs this year,their biggest total since 1991. electric music have released an album. some werkers are still catching up with time pie. only the second book ever about the band has just been published. it seems to me the perfect time NOT to talk about komputer. do you think they talk about bjorn again on the abba list? chris oh yes ,and there are rumours of a new album as well. hoho. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gekn@ebifsol9.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de (Gerd Knochenhauer) Subject: RE: (kw) A burning question Date: 09 Nov 1998 15:26:56 +0100 not to forget the 1998 japanes tribute album 'Musique Non Stop' which contains some interesting cover versions. Gerd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) tangents Date: 09 Nov 1998 09:59:28 EST On Sun, 08 Nov 1998 15:06:54 +0500 Christopher Gross writes: > >On 07-Nov-98, Der Automat wrote: > > >>KRAFTWERK influence. Also Bowie and Iggy Pop are in view in the >>"Trans-Europe Express" video-clip, which lyrics cite to both. > >I was told by a friend who had seen KW's 1981 show at the Ritz in NYC >that >when Iggy and Bowie appeared on the video, Ralf said, "Meet--" and was >silent >as the audience erupted into applause. :-) never happened...i was there and the tape confirms that it never happened...sorry... tom w np: kw - ritz nyc 81 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) A burning question Date: 09 Nov 1998 14:13:08 -0000 someone said "in the absence of news about kraftwerk..." . let's see now: they've played 10 gigs this year,their biggest total since 1991. electric music have released an album. some werkers are still catching up with time pie. only the second book ever about the band has just been published. it seems to me the perfect time NOT to talk about komputer. do you think they talk about bjorn again on the abba list? chris oh yes ,and there are rumours of a new album as well. hoho. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: RE: (kw) A burning question Date: 09 Nov 1998 08:45:19 -0700 (MST) On Mon, 9 Nov 1998, Chris Raistrick wrote: > someone said "in the absence of news about kraftwerk..." . Probably me. > let's see now: they've played 10 gigs this year,their biggest total since > 1991. electric music have released an album. some werkers are still catching > up with time pie. only the second book ever about the band has just been > published. it seems to me the perfect time NOT to talk about komputer. do Yes, but it seems those topics have already been almost exhausted. We've had reports from their gigs and questions about same. There's been some discussion about the book. So what's wrong with a little talk about related groups on top of that? > oh yes ,and there are rumours of a new album as well. hoho. Ho Ho indeed. They're the same rumors, positively confirmed and guaranteed by Close Personal Friends , that have been here since I joined oh... what, about four years ago. The only difference now is that we actually have some new songs out to fuel more rumors. I won't believe it till I actually have the album in my hot little hands. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) A burning question Date: 09 Nov 1998 16:04:52 -0000 perhaps, in true kraftwerkian style, we should all remain silent if nothing is really happening. ok, let's see who "cracks" first! chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 Subject: (kw) X-Kraft/Non-Werk Date: 08 Nov 1998 04:26:31 -0500 (EST) i am trying to collect information on ex-Kraftwerk members. please send e-mail to me personally if you have any information on any of the following people. things like solo albums, or forming/joining other bands that released albums, and if you have all the album info please send that too, title, year of release, label, catalog #, etc. do they have websites? where are they now? Basil Hammoudi (Hammond) Butch Hauf Fred Monicks Andreas Hohmann Klaus Dinger Klaus Roeder Wolfgang Flur Karl Bartos Emil Schult (?) Fritz Hilpert (still in KW?) Fernando Abrantes Henning Schmitz (still in KW?) is there anyone else that i missed, please let me know. also, i am looking for "Autobahn" on CD, not bootleg. does someone have that album for sale or trade? thank you, lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peder Livijn" Subject: (kw) Some things i really needed to get off my chest Date: 09 Nov 1998 02:51:54 PST Guten abend! I=B4d like to start with Bryce, who wrote; <> -If you=B4re referring to the Front242 song, it=B4s called; iM rythmus=20 bleiben. And the next topic; <> -It is most definitly a synth, the postings lately saying otherwise must=20 come from people who has absoluteley no knowledge of synthezisers. To=20 claim that its not a synth because its built of a lot of different=20 modules(that i saw someone write), is just plain stupid (does the word=20 modular synth, ring a bell?), and primitive, well it was built somewhere=20 between 1965-67, so i=B4d say it was quite hi-tech, for it=B4s time. And finally a thing that has been seen far to much on the list lately; <> -What=B4s wrong with you people, do you all find some perverse pleasure i= n=20 putting yourselves down. Last time i looked a nerd wasn=B4t anything to b= e=20 proud to be, and we=B4re asking ourselves why there are no girls on the=20 list! -Girls don=B4t like nerds, and they don=B4t like people who=20 shamelessly call themselves nerds either. So please if you feel the urge to call someone you don=B4t know a nerd,=20 think again - and if you really feel that you are a nerd - then, too bad=20 for you, but don=B4t go calling the rest of us nerds. Tack som fan, Peder=20 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Norman" Subject: RE: (kw) Hola! Date: 09 Nov 1998 19:39:46 +0100 It would'nt hurt me, just put'em up, looking forward to hear them! > -----Original Message----- > > Hey! > [ snip ] > Right! And on another tangent.. I have this beautiful, unofficil disc of > official "Tour De France" mixes, and was wondering if it would > hurt anyone if > I put a mix or two up at a time in MP3 format? > > Let me know! And hey! Any news about a new Kraftwerk, or, for > that matter, > the next best thing, KOMPUTER album?! > > Later! > EJR # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Tubon Date: 09 Nov 1998 17:09:41 -0500 Those on the list who are "learning English", why not German if you are = a Kraftwerk-fan. Warum nicht? Eine sch=F6ne Sprache.... I can give MY answer to that...I took a year of Spanish in high school, = followed by a year of French. I remember little. But, thanks to KW and this list (and German and Austrian machinery, and = magazines like Fleisch Wirtschaft), I now know more German than either = of the the other two languages. But - Why don't we do messages in German? Simple! With these browsers = and mail systems I have available to me in the USA, we can only use the = 26 characters in the English alphabet, plus English puncuation. This is = a BIG problem when trying to communicate in a foreign language! There = are foreign characters hidden in the American keyboard, but most people = don't know how to find them, not to mention that most software can't = handle it. Since we're on the subject of German and KW... At the KW concert, in Man Machine /Mensch Maschine, they used the term = "Halb =DCber Ding" Does anyone know what that means, or for that = matter, what "=DCber Alles" means? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "angelo" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in DJ World! Date: 09 Nov 1998 23:17:26 -0200 This new is special to brazilians Kraftwerk fans! The magazine DJ World /october, published interview with the fathers of=20 Techno Pop. They talks about the brazilians Discodances. Very interesting!!! (eng) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/= \/\ /\/\/\/\/\/\/ Essa novidade =E9 especialmente para f=E3s brasileiros do Kraftwerk! A revista DJ World /outubro, publicou uma entrevista com os pais do Techn= o Pop. Eles falam sobre as pistas de dan=E7a brasileiras. Muito interessant= e!!! (pt) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/= \/\ /\/\/\/\/\/\/ Tiu novajxo estas speciala por brazilaj Kraftwerk Fananoj! La magazino DJ World /Oktobro, publikigis intervijwo kun la patroj de l' Techno Pop. Ili parolas pri la brazilaj dancejoj. Tre interesa!!! (esp) Wrote by... Escrita por... Skribita per... Miguel Angelo C. Pra=E7a. angelo@urbi.com.br http://www.urbi.com.br/users/angelo ICQ - 11606126 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) KW & German Date: 09 Nov 1998 19:33:36 -0800 (PST) William Dobiesz wrote: > >> Those on the list who are "learning English", why not German if you are a >> Kraftwerk-fan. Warum nicht? Eine schöne Sprache.... > > I can give MY answer to that...I took a year of Spanish in high school, followed by a year of French. I remember little. > > But, thanks to KW and this list (and German and Austrian machinery, and magazines like Fleisch Wirtschaft), I now know more German than either of the the other two languages. > > But - Why don't we do messages in German? Simple! With these browsers and mail systems I have available to me in the USA, we can only use the 26 characters in the English alphabet, plus English puncuation. This is a BIG problem when trying to communicate in a foreign language! There are foreign characters hidden in the American keyboard, but most people don't know how to find them, not to mention that most software can't handle it. My e-mail can handle it and I'd be glad to read posts in German or in fact any of the other European languages I speak. > Since we're on the subject of German and KW... > > At the KW concert, in Man Machine /Mensch Maschine, they used the term "Halb Über Ding" Does anyone know what that means, or for that matter, what "Über Alles" means? Halb Überding would mean "half supreme thing or item." Über alles means "above everything (else)." Jeff _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fischer, Hans-Peter" Subject: FW: (kw) Tubon Date: 10 Nov 1998 07:26:18 +0100 > Those on the list who are "learning English", why not German if you = are a > Kraftwerk-fan. Warum nicht? Eine sch=F6ne Sprache.... >=20 > But - Why don't we do messages in German? Simple! With these = browsers > and mail systems I have available to me in the USA, we can only use = the 26 > characters in the English alphabet, plus English puncuation. This is = a > BIG problem when trying to communicate in a foreign language! There = are > foreign characters hidden in the American keyboard, but most people = don't > know how to find them, not to mention that most software can't handle = it. >=20 >=20 There=B4s no problem if you write ue for =FC, oe for =F6, ae for =E4 = and ss for =DF, noone needs a german keyboard to write german. But to keep the list informative for everyone, I=B4d prefer to stick to english (although german happens to be my mother tongue). Last time i looked a nerd wasn=B4t anything to be=20 proud to be, and we=B4re asking ourselves why there are no girls on the=20 list! -Girls don=B4t like nerds, and they don=B4t like people who=20 shamelessly call themselves nerds either. Why are some people so concerned about girls on this list? Not that I wouldn=B4t appreciate it, but on the other hand I don=B4t really care, = this is a music oriented list, if you want to learn to know girls, don=B4t stick = in front of your computer but go outside instead. Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Tubon Date: 10 Nov 1998 09:17:25 +0100 >"Halb =DCber Ding" Literary: Half over thing Slightly better English: "Semi super beeing" >"=DCber Alles" Literary: Over everything or Above all /Joakim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: FW: (kw) Tubon Date: 10 Nov 1998 09:30:31 +0000 "Fischer, Hans-Peter" wrote: > Why are some people so concerned about girls on this list? Not tha= t I > wouldn=B4t appreciate it, but on the other hand I don=B4t really ca= re, this is a > music oriented list, if you want to learn to know girls, don=B4t st= ick in > front of your computer but go outside instead. hear hear! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Hola! Date: 10 Nov 1998 10:39:21 +0100 >...unofficil disc of official "Tour De France" mixes, and was wondering if it would hurt anyone if I put a mix or >two up at a time in MP3 format? Since it's unofficial versions it shouldn't hurt anybody. At least not me. /Joakim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: German Language (was RE: (kw) Tubon) Date: 10 Nov 1998 10:51:35 +0100 >Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 17:09:41 -0500 >From: William Dobiesz >Subject: FW: (kw) Tubon >Those on the list who are "learning English", why not German if you are = a >Kraftwerk-fan. Warum nicht? Eine sch=F6ne Sprache.... Jede Sprache hat ihre Vorzüge. Each language has its merits. > >I can give MY answer to that...I took a year of Spanish in high school, = >followed by a year of French. I remember little. > >But, thanks to KW and this list (and German and Austrian machinery, and = >magazines like Fleisch Wirtschaft), I now know more German than either = >of the the other two languages. Das kommt daher, daß man sich mit einem Thema beschäftigt, das einen wirklich interessiert. Früher in der Schule war ich in Englisch immer eine ziemliche Niete. Da mußten wir uns immer mit irgendwelchen langweiligen Texten rumplagen. Aber seit ich in der Liste bin, hat sich das bei mir enorm gebessert. and now I trie to translate: (o dear) It is because of concerning with topics we are really interested in. In school I used to be a loser in English lessons. We had to bother with boring texts. Sinces I am in the list, I do better. (please correct me, if I am wrong. I am still learning.) > >But - Why don't we do messages in German? Simple! With these browsers = >and mail systems I have available to me in the USA, we can only use the = >26 characters in the English alphabet, plus English puncuation. This is = >a BIG problem when trying to communicate in a foreign language! There = >are foreign characters hidden in the American keyboard, but most people = >don't know how to find them, not to mention that most software can't = >handle it. There are substitutes for Umlauts and "scharfes S": "ä" ("a" with two dots above)= "ae" "ö" ("o" with two dots above)= "oe" "ü" ("u" with two dots above)= "ue" "ß" (looks like "B") = "ss" > >Since we're on the subject of German and KW... > >At the KW concert, in Man Machine /Mensch Maschine, they used the term = >"Halb =DCber Ding" Does anyone know what that means, or for that = >matter, what "=DCber Alles" means? > Die Mensch-Maschine The Man-Machine Halb Wesen und halb Ding Half creature and half thing Die Mensch-Maschine The Man-Machine Halb Wesen und halb Ueberding Half creature and half "something from above" "ueber Alles" = "above everything" best Regards Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Morgan" Subject: (kw) Dance robots - das model Date: 10 Nov 1998 11:53:40 -0000 In response to the query regarding Das Modell by the dance robots. I owna copy of a promo remix of this obscure record. It starts well with samples from the telephone call then descends into a rather average rendition of a danced up version of the robets. it gets better when samples from Music non stop are introduced followed by bits of sex object. Overall quite a nice track to have owing to large amount of Kraftwerk samples in the track. Well if you want to hear it I am prepared to make a real audio copy and mail it out. Email me if youd like me to send a copy to you. cheers from Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JT Subject: (kw) Active-K Typo!!! Date: 10 Nov 1998 07:22:56 -0500 For anyone that was trying to download the latest Kraftwerk MP3s of the Belgium 1981 concert at Active-K, the was a major error in the URLs. You can go here and get the updated file. http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/activek.html Special thanks to Guy for being kind enough to bring the error to my attention. I apologize for any inconvenience. Now, back to the sequencer... Regards, -John ______________________________________________________________ The Electronica of Efofex - "No presets" http://efofex.simplenet.com Join the f(x) mailing list! http://efofex.simplenet.com/mailinglist.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) on and off topic Date: 10 Nov 1998 09:20:10 -0500 just my 2 cents, (change currency for your particular country). i'd rather read 50 letters (or delete them) a day about komputer, or even tangerine dream (a band i detest) on the kraftwerk mailing list than 5 postings about analogue -vs- digital synths, or a simple listing of cds someone owns and wants to sell. some topics lend themselves well to a "real" conversation, others are just passing comments. I like analogue, you like digital - you think digital is more pure, I think analogue is more warm. End of conversation. It's a matter of taste. I like "neon lights" the most of all kw songs. you like "computer world" - another matter of taste, and another short conversation. If we were to really discuss such topics, (and sometimes, i guess we do) it's fine. WHY do i like "neon lights". Well, i find the sound is actually evocative of the visual image. If that brings us to a discussion of "war pigs" by Black Sabbath, in my mind, it's still on topic, and fundamentally more interesting than "I have a bootleg to sell". That's great. Somebody may want it, but, I can't say I ENJOY reading it, and even if I'm interested in purchasing said bootleg, I can't say it's good reading. Maybe it's a needed annoyance. that said, i know from experience that one can expect to read any number of different things on any given mailing list. There's an amazing bit of information on a Pere Ubu cd (the Beach Boys See Dee) in which David Thomas traces the influence of the Beach Boy's cover of "Sloop John B." on his music throughout his career - it's amazing, AND interesting. I could have posted it a while back when the Beach Boys discussion was on. Is it strictly on topic? No. Is it more interesting (to me) than favorite remixes of Kraftwerk songs? To me, yes. I don't particularly care WHAT somebody else does with a song that already exists. If they could tell me what the song meant to them, and why they interpreted it in whatever manner THEN i'd be interested. the very fact that "dj so and so" figured out how to sample a Kraftwerk song is of no interest to me. That's just me, though...I'd much rather talk about Kraftwerk, (music) in a way that doesn't always include Kraftwerk, if you get my drift. If one listens deeply enough, it's a mental influence. The bands I truly am "into" (not just the ones I listen to for fun, or whatever) have a deeper inpact. One could argue they introduce ideas to the listener. Therefore, if i'm "into" kraftwerk "enough", all my thoughts on music are somewhat related, even if i DON'T mention the band in a particular posting. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) The Divine Comedy interview Date: 10 Nov 1998 15:21:45 +0100 Latest issue (RDL 157, November 1998) of the Spanish music magazine Rockdelux has an interview with Neil Hannon (from Divine Comedy). He says that he likes Kraftwerk, Abba, Ace of Base, Whigfield, Acqua... The writer's article mentiones that his music is an indiscriminated use of cliches to compose. He tells that Commuter Love is a joke about Kraftwerk. Besides Neil says: "I try not to limit my music to a strict aesthetic. If= I write a song that it has to sound like Kraftwerk I am not going to preven= t it." Surprisely the article does not mention of Radioactivity cover versi= on by the band. The front cover of the magazine features a photo of Neil Hannon. On a unrelated note. IMHO a band become a kind of a KW-related band when that band make a cove= r version of KW, sample KW, etc. BTW, Add N To (X) album is called "On The Wires Of Our Nerves", and "Litt= le Black Rocks In The Sun" is the single. What influence of Kraftwerk has th= is act? DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Holton Subject: (kw) Has any body noticed... Date: 10 Nov 1998 09:32:46 +0000 How much the price of bacon has gone up recently? - especially on a Tuesday afternoon..... What has this got to do with KW ?Simple - Ralf used to eat bacon sandwiches. If you subscribe to the digest your life will become easier. Dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Old Volkswagens of Alabama" Subject: (kw) KW @ German Date: 09 Nov 1998 21:40:25 -0600 Since we are on the subject, why don't we take a poll! Just kidding! Since you brought up the language issue, we can converse auf Deutch. Warum nicht? Ale dlaczego nie po Polsku? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 Subject: Re: (kw) Has any body noticed... Date: 10 Nov 1998 15:19:11 -0500 (EST) At 09:32 AM 11/10/98 +0000, David Holton wrote: > >How much the price of bacon has gone up recently? - especially on a >Tuesday afternoon..... well, i would have to concur on your observation, here in the States families go for weeks, sometimes months until they can afford a hefty pound of bacon or so, and the government does absolutely nothing about it. > >What has this got to do with KW ?Simple - Ralf used to eat bacon >sandwiches. intriguing, i had no idea the boys were so fond of the sport. well, ta ta for now Angus R. Pendergrass it's not my real name, but i wish it was # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 Subject: Re: (kw) KW @ German Date: 10 Nov 1998 15:31:33 -0500 (EST) At 09:40 PM 11/9/98 -0600, Old Volkswagens of Alabama wrote: >Since you brought up the language issue, >Ale dlaczego nie po Polsku? Davaitye govorit' po Russki. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EJRSemiGod@aol.com Subject: (kw) TOUR DE FRANCE Date: 10 Nov 1998 20:50:02 EST Yeah. MP3. Had to rename because of XOOM'S policies.. so it's there as a *.3pm file.. just rename and you're fine. http://members.xoom.com/kraftwerker/index.html Minimalistic. Total Kraftwerk Rip-off. Enjoy the files as they come. (note..may not be available immediately..try later if it's not) E J R # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: (kw) Grote Rip Off Date: 10 Nov 1998 20:20:33 -0700 Who on the list believes that Faithless ripped off Jeff Grote's pic of Kraftwerk Robots in front of the State Theater in Detroit? (Through heavy KW surfing). I know there are Faithless Fanatics out there.l Pick up the cover art and see..... If you haven't seen the cover...check it out. Faithless' CD cover shows a marquee. It reads....."Door.............Sunday........8PM...... Faithless" The Bluebird Theater Where is the Bluebird Theater? Jeff Grote's photo (php.indiana.ed/~jrgrote/kwerk/onepointonee.htm/) reads........ "Kraftwerk 7:30" The State Theater I still believe that JG's photo is of historical value. Any pics of KW robots in front of marquee? I also thought this would have been a great album cover before.............. Faithless ripped it off? Faithless just got booted from top 5. Lists anyone? DjFrAnkX http://members.tripod.com/DJFRANKX/~kw2000.htm Kraftwerk Shockwave coming soon......... php.indiana.edu/~jwgrote/kwerk/onepointone.htm (to see the pic) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom807@aol.com Subject: (kw) 2 Date: 10 Nov 1998 22:46:17 EST Are the LP vinyl albums on Phillips of KW, KW2, and R&F bootleg (pirate) copies, or are they official re-releases from Philips? Doubtful they would be and them not releasing the CDs too. And the price is high. Shop owners say they are official but I smell a rat. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) "From Duesseldorf to..."/Anthony Rother Date: 11 Nov 1998 18:05:08 +0100 Please, -how can I get "From Duesseldorf to the Future (with love)" in Germany ? I tried do get it in a book-store, but they told me "noch nicht erschienen"/ "not released yet". -Is Anthony Rother a relative of Michael Rother ? Thanks Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dead Reaper" Subject: Re: German Language (was RE: (kw) Tubon) Date: 11 Nov 1998 03:42:14 PST ever so slightly off-topic but anyway >There are substitutes for Umlauts and "scharfes S": > >"=E4" ("a" with two dots above)=3D "ae" >"=F6" ("o" with two dots above)=3D "oe" >"=FC" ("u" with two dots above)=3D "ue" >"=DF" (looks like "B") =3D "ss" they're not really official substitutes (the a and e should be joined=20 together: there is a fancy name for that, but I forget what it is), and=20 then you get thick Americans who think it should be pronounced=20 Dyooseldorf, or whatever. You might as well put "a" for "a+ummlaut". Mmm. Anyway. What was the final verdict? Is the book worth buying? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Henrik Olsson Subject: (kw) Bartos Airlines Date: 11 Nov 1998 20:39:12 -0500 Scandinavian Airlines (SAS) are currently broadcasting a TV commercial (at least in Sweden) wich comes along with the tune of "You Make the Sun Shine", produced by Bartos, performed by Mobile Homes. H:\ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) X-Kraft/Non-Werk Date: 11 Nov 1998 15:29:03 +0100 Yesterday, 47 wrote: > i am trying to collect information on ex-Kraftwerk members. please sen= d > e-mail to me personally if you have any information on any of the following > people. things like solo albums, or forming/joining other bands that > released albums, and if you have all the album info please send that to= o, > title, year of release, label, catalog #, etc. do they have websites? >=20 > where are they now? My apologies if this has already been posted here, but I think I be able = to answer some questions. > Basil Hammoudi (Hammond) Basil Hammoudi was in Organisation. No idea of his activities at present. > Butch Hauf He also was in Organisation. No idea of his activities at present. > Fred Monicks He was in Organisation. No idea of his activities at present. > Andreas Hohmann He was in the recording of the first KW album. > Klaus Dinger alias Nikolaus van Rhein. Neu!, La D=FCsseldorf, Neondian (a solo project), Die Engel Des Herrn. Al= l of those projects created by Klaus Dinger. Now he has a solo project. According to Aktivitaet fanzine it appears that Klaus Dinger replaced Andreas Hohmann, to complete the recording of the first KW LP. Dinger appears on the second side of the album. > Klaus Roeder He was on the recording sessions of Autobahn album. Subsequent activities not known. > Wolfgang Flur It was rumoured that Wolfgang Fl=FCr had been writting a book of his memoirs, which it had been already published, AFAIK. The Yamo records: singles: "Guiding Ray" and "Stereomatic" (apparently a remix of the Mouse On Mars' track "Stereomission"), and "Time Pie" album. All of them released by EMI. Then it was released "Musica Obscura - Guidi= ng Ray" EP (EMI Electrola). Serenity Supreme will be the next album by Yamo. http://www.apbt.com/neworld/yamo.htm > Karl Bartos Bartos keeps his solo project Electric Music. He has released an homonymo= us album this year. Singles: "Call On Me" and "Sunshine". Karl Bartos wrote the preface for the book, published in October 1995, "Techno Style", whose authors are Martin Pesch and Markus Weisbeck. Electric Music WWW pages: http://www.spv.de/Bands/deutsch/ElectricMusic01.html > Emil Schult (?) Emil Schult made the Elektric Music's lyrics, artwork and videos. He also made the videos of Yamo and he collaborated in Yamo single "Little Child". And seemingly he is working on some pictures for an exposition this year. > Fritz Hilpert (still in KW?) I think yes. > Fernando Abrantes He works on KW live only. It has been rumoured that he was apparently "fired" from KW. > Henning Schmitz (still in KW?) I also think yes. >is there anyone else that i missed, please let me know. You missed: Plato Kostic/Riviera. He was on KW in the previous period to the recording of "Ralf & Florian" LP. Now he's an architect. Acording to Man, Machine and Music (Pascal Bussy's book) Eberhardt Krahnemann played bass (for only one session) on KW, before Ralf Huetter leaves the band. Wolfgang Reichman, who wasn't in KW but in Spirit of Sound (the first Fluer's band) Rainer Sennewald, who was in Sinus (the first Bartos' band). Bodo Staiger & Peter Wollek. They were in Sinus and then they form the band Lilac Angels (Klaus Dinger produced the first album). Bodo Staiger and Brigitte Kanz take part of Rheingold (the Lothar Manteuffel's band). Lothar Manteuffel has composed several types of music for VH1 channel of the German TV. Michael Rother, who founded Neu! and Harmonia and he was in Spirit of Sound and also in KW. After Neu! Rother continues solo. Thomas Dinger, Klaus' brother, was on Neu! and La Duesseldorf. Now he has= a solo project. His "Fuer Mich" album was produced by Klaus. Hans Lampe, was on Neu! and La Duesseldorf. Mani Meumaier, who was in Harmonia. Neu! (Michael Rother & Klaus Dinger, Thomas Dinger, Hans Lampe), La Duesseldorf (Klaus Dinger, Thomas Dinger, Hans Lampe, Andreas Schell, and Harald Konietzko), Harmonia (Michael Rother, Hans-Joachim Roedelius, Dieter Moebius and Mani Neumairer), Die Engel Des Herrn (Klaus Dinger, Gerhard Michel, Klaus Imming). Additional information can be obtained at Aktivitaet online: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/aktivitaet/index.htm DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eugene Zaikonnikov" Subject: (kw) kw'81 live playlist Date: 11 Nov 1998 16:46:04 +0200 Hi! Does anyone on the list remember exact tracks order on KW'81 live performances? TIA, Eugene # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: RE: (kw) X-Kraft/Non-Werk Date: 11 Nov 1998 14:40:00 -0500 (EST) On Wed, 11 Nov 1998, Der Automat wrote: > > Fritz Hilpert (still in KW?) > > I think yes. > > > Henning Schmitz (still in KW?) > > I also think yes. They are, unless A) they've left since June or B) the robots have gotten VERY realistic. ******************************************************************************* John Morgan "Under what rule did you shoot them?" Student Services, "I'll tell you what rule we applied. We The University of Michigan applied rule .303! We caught them, and LS&A Honors Program shot them, under rule .3-0-3, SIR!" http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ --Breaker Morant including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: (kw) "From Dusseldorf to the Future (with love)" Date: 11 Nov 1998 15:48:44 -0500 (EST) does anyone know where to get Tim Barr's book in U.S. other than the publisher site in U.K. http://www.waterstones.co.uk/ thank you, lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Subject: (kw) DJ Hell on Kraftwerk? / Daft Punk Date: 11 Nov 1998 20:20:38 -0500 >The "Munich Machine" LP by DJ Hell (aka Helmut Geier, from Nueremberg, >Germany) was published by V2 records (the label directed by Richard >Branson, the multimillonaire owner of Virgin company). This record pay >tribute to the Munich sound (headed by Giorgio Moroder in the middle of >70's), in fact it contains a track called "For your love", a tribute to "I >feel love" by Donna Summer. The first single of the album has been "Suicide >Comando" a cover version of a song by a German band called No More that was >released in the early 80's. DJ Hell directs the International Deejay >Gigolos label applied to sleazy techno. > Is this the same DJ Hell who is mentioned on Daft Punks "Homework" album; song is #9, teachers. At the tribal gathering Daft punk had a very KW appearance live; but KW isn't mentioned in teachers for some reason. Dr. Dre is though :/ Also, maybe its because I've been deleting the mail from this list for a month, I dont recal anyone mentioning Kraftwerk's Autobahn being reviewed as one of the must have albums in a US Mens fashion magazine calle "gear". It's the october/september issue. It reads as the folowing: Autobahn, Kraftwerk, EMI, 1974: There are many examples of 'great driving records', the ones that turn an everyday road trip into an epic ride. But there aren't many that are actually about a road trip. And, as far as we know, there has only been one made by a group of Germans with red shirts, skinny black ties and severe hairstyles that made them look like robots. Kraftwerk were the pioneers of electronic pop, the inspiration behind the 80s synth sound. There's no doubting Autiobahn's innovation - an album whose dominant track is a 23-minute long simulation of a motorway drive. There's a chorus, too - "Vir fahren, fahren, fahren, auf der autobahn'. Sounds pretty cool in German, and it rhymes, too. ('We drive, drive, drive on the free-ee-way'- not so good.) Hopefully, Rhino Records, who own the back catalog , will reissue on the back of the electronic revival. (Page 163) Forgive the spelling errors, I just typed it in. Also in this magazine are some cool futuristic clothing I could see florian in. PS- if anyone has Cubase VST, ReBirth 338, Cakewalk, a roland TR-505 or any suggestions on setting up a starter studio please e-mail me to talk privately. regards andrew from ze computer welt, http://www.angelfire.com/nj/groovethang # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NOFX272727@aol.com Subject: (kw) introducing...Jerry Date: 12 Nov 1998 00:14:15 EST Hi, I'm Jerry, an 18 year old student at DePaul University in Chicago. I was on this list about two years ago, right around the time when the big talk was about list members making a CD, burning it, and offering it to other list members. Don't know if you guys remember, but... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Robbie Williams / Neotropic / Andreu Dorau ... Date: 12 Nov 1998 14:54:39 +0100 The new album "I've Been Expecting You" (Chrysalis / EMI) by Robbie Williams was released on 26 October. This LP contains a track called "Man Machine". http://www.robbiewilliams.co.uk The "15 levels Of Magnification" LP (Ninja Tune, 1996) by Neotropic (Riz Maslen (a.k.a. Small Fish With Spine)) is a entangled and virgin forest where boil technological psychodely, dark ambient, KRAFTWERK, David Toop and even Mike Oldfield. His new album is called "Brubaker" and, apparentl= y, includes a cover version of "Hall of Mirrors". Does anybody know the influence of KW on Andreu Dorau? TIA. Does anybody please tell me if the tribute album called "Musique Non Stop= " (TOSHIBA/EMI TOCT 10455) is the same record than the Japanese CD: VA / "Kraftwerk Tribute" (Nippon Crown, TOCT-10455) featuring Hikasyu, Takkyu Ishino, Satoru Ono (Meiwa Denki), Buffalo Daughter, Fukuma (P-model)/ Y. Yamashita/ M. Inoue/ T. Nakano/ Melt Banana, etc. The album is produced b= y Koichi Makigami. The number catalogue is the same althought I think the record label is no= t. TIA. In a recent interview at "El Pais de las Tentaciones" magazine (no. 260, = 16 October) (http://www.elpais.es/tentaciones/T/D/19981016/musica/jack.htm) with Jack Dangers (aka Meat Beat Manifesto), he said: "It exists a webpag= e that contains all of those tracks that have been used to create some sampler. One of my songs has be= en sampled with pleasure. But the number one continues being "Funky drummer" by James Brown." It's my speculation, but I think that the number two may be a KW song. BTW, does anybody of you know what URL has the mentioned we= b? The www address of MBM is: http://www.brainwashed.com/mbm Razormaid has released a mix of "Tour de France" on their new Class-X compilation volume eleven, plus 12 tracks (including Soft Cell se= x dwarf) for sound-snippet check out: http://www.razormaid.com/html/classx/classxsound.html Does anybody know from where Razormaid is? DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gekn@ebifsol9.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de (Gerd Knochenhauer) Subject: Re: (kw) Robbie Williams / Neotropic / Andreu Dorau ... Date: 12 Nov 1998 15:12:50 +0100 DER AUTOMAT wrote: > Does anybody please tell me if the tribute album called "Musique Non Stop" (TOSHIBA/EMI TOCT 10455) is the same record than the Japanese CD: VA / "Kraftwerk Tribute" (Nippon Crown, TOCT-10455) featuring Hikasyu, Takkyu Ishino, Satoru Ono (Meiwa Denki), Buffalo Daughter, Fukuma (P-model)/ Y. Yamashita/ M. Inoue/ T. Nakano/ Melt Banana, etc. The album is produced by Koichi Makigami. The number catalogue is the same althought I think the record label is not. TIA. < I think both releases contain the same tracks. I've got the first release (TOSHIBA/EMI) and the track list is identical with the one listed for the Nippon Crown release. Gerd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom807@aol.com Subject: (kw) CD burner Date: 12 Nov 1998 09:21:13 EST If anyone has a CD-R recorder, has experience recording music from another source (cassette), and lives in the US please contact me for a KW swap you would probably want to pursue. The CD-R should be a computer based model, not one of those Philips stand alone types. Thanks! Contact me off the list at: tom807@aol.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) FW: eat it... Date: 12 Nov 1998 16:53:02 +0100 I asked a friend of mine to copy the old globe at http://www=2Ekraftwerk=2Ecom/konzert=2Ehtml And he found this: A lot of possible concertplaces? Here's the code: # Copyright Andreas Kuckartz 1998 # Compusic(R), Klingklang(R) and Kraftwerk(R) product # wuerfel v -1 -1 -1 v 1 -1 -1 v 1 1 -1 v -1 1 -1 v -1 -1 1 v 1 -1 1 v 1 1 1 v -1 1 1 p -90 0 p -80 0 p -70 0 p -60 0 p -50 0 p -40 0 p -30 0 p -20 0 p -10 0 p 0 0 p 10 0 p 20 0 p 30 0 p 40 0 p 50 0 p 60 0 p 70 0 p 80 0 p 90 0 p -90 -90 p -80 -90 p -70 -90 p -60 -90 p -50 -90 p -40 -90 p -30 -90 p -20 -90 p -10 -90 p 0 -90 p 10 -90 p 20 -90 p 30 -90 p 40 -90 p 50 -90 p 60 -90 p 70 -90 p 80 -90 p 90 -90 p -90 90 p -80 90 p -70 90 p -60 90 p -50 90 p -40 90 p -30 90 p -20 90 p -10 90 p 0 90 p 10 90 p 20 90 p 30 90 p 40 90 p 50 90 p 60 90 p 70 90 p 80 90 p 90 90 p -90 180 p -80 180 p -70 180 p -60 180 p -50 180 p -40 180 p -30 180 p -20 180 p -10 180 p 0 180 p 10 180 p 20 180 p 30 180 p 40 180 p 50 180 p 60 180 p 70 180 p 80 180 p 90 180 # afrika 17 (85-101) p 0 10 p 5 10 p 5 -10 p 10 -14 p 20 -16 p 30 -10 p 36 0 p 37 10 p 34 10 p 32 32 p 10 43 p 11 51 p 0 43 p -4 40 p -32 30 p -35 20 p -20 13 # madagaskar 4 (102-105) p -11 50 p -25 48 p -25 44 p -16 44 # eurasien 34 (106-139) p 40 -10 p 43 -10 p 43 0 p 50 0 p 55 20 p 65 20=20 p 56 15 p 60 5 p 70 20 p 65 40 p 78 110 p 72 130 p 70 170 p 65 -170 p 60 170 p 60 140 p 35 125 p 40 118 p 37 120 p 20 105 p 12 110 p 20 90 p 8 78 p 25 67 p 30 50 p 20 60 p 15 45 p 32 35 p 37 37 p 37 28 p 38 18 p 44 10 p 38 0 p 38 -10 # australien 7 (140-146) p -35 115 p -20 115 p -10 130 p -10 143 p -25 153 p -44 147 p -32 133 # japan 4 (147-150) p 35 130 p 45 140 p 45 145 p 35 135 # suedamerika 9 (151-159) p -55 -75 p -20 -70 p -8 -80 p 10 -80 p 10 -60 p -5 -35 p -23 -40 p -50 -69 p -55 -65 # nordamerika 19 (160-178) p 10 -80 p 20 -110 p 32 -113 p 23 -110 p 40 -125 p 50 -130 p 60 -140 p 70 -165 p 70 -90 p 58 -90 p 52 -80 p 63 -75 p 47 -55 p 30 -80 p 25 -80 p 47 -85 p 30 -95 p 20 -98 p 20 -88 # barcelona 179 p 37 -5 # tokio 180 p 40 135 # san francisko 181 p 38 -122 # los angeles 182 p 34 -118 # daenemark 183 p 55 10 # detroit 184 p 42 -81 # new york 185 p 41 -74 # chicago 186 p 42 -88 # washington 187 p 39 -77 # wuerfel # f 1 2 3 4 # f 5 6 7 8 # l 1 5 # l 2 6 # l 3 7 # l 4 8 # halbkreise # f 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 # f 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 # f 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 # f 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 # afrika f 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 # madagaskar f 102 103 104 105 # eurasien f 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 # australien f 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 # japan f 147 148 149 150 # suedamerika f 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 # nordamerika f 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 1= 78 # staedte c 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 Hiroshima 45, Tjernobyl 86, Windows 95 (not from the code) /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) FW: eat it... Date: 12 Nov 1998 11:39:47 EST hmmm, wonder if the boys are going to play madagascar for the total eclipse in 2001. Instead of the boring robots, they could have computer controlled ring- tailed lemurs and instead of that old-fashioned electronic sound they could appear with a native orchestra (ie. real people hitting real instruments). Sonnenfinsternis, I suppose the concept could be called. Well, it might happen ! K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fredrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4llman?= Subject: (kw) Concert dates??? Date: 12 Nov 1998 19:32:30 +0100 Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:53 johan.andersson@allers.aller.se wrote: >A lot of possible concertplaces? >Here's the code: ># Copyright Andreas Kuckartz 1998 ># Compusic(R), Klingklang(R) and Kraftwerk(R) product ># wuerfel >v -1 -1 -1 and so on.... Sorry for being realistic (?) but isn't it just the programming code for the map with Madagaskar and Japan needing to specified since they are not part of the continents...? Wuerfel means cube or dice and should specify the cubes marking the dates of the tour on the map. Hiroshima and Tjernobyl are a bit more confusing though. Well, who knows what they are up to? The thought of "Sonnenfinsternis Madagaskar" is rather exciting. But who/what is Andreas Kuckartz and Compusic(R)? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) KW @ German Date: 12 Nov 1998 00:46:22 -0500 >Since we are on the subject, why don't we take a poll! Just kidding! >Since you brought up the language issue, we can converse auf Deutch. = >Warum nicht? >Ale dlaczego nie po Polsku? Nicht. ACHTUNG! Deckel mu=DF w=E4hrend des Betriebes geschlossen = bleiben. Niro Zwiebelring. Lautsprecher gummipuffer spule mit = seegering . Tasterkarte mit flaschbandt, 12 polig stecker. If I ever actually went to Deutchland, I'd probably starve (but I could = work on their machines). Maybe someday I'll actually see something = running on 380v 50hz. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original = sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: = http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dead Reaper" Subject: Re: (kw) FW: eat it... Date: 12 Nov 1998 09:03:23 PST >hmmm, wonder if the boys are going to play madagascar for the total eclipse in >2001. Instead of the boring robots, they could have computer controlled ring- >tailed lemurs and instead of that old-fashioned electronic sound they could >appear with a native orchestra (ie. real people hitting real instruments). > >Sonnenfinsternis, I suppose the concept could be called. > >Well, it might happen ! I'd have been more interested to see them at next summer's total eclipse in Cornwall, with the heathen natives playing their ethnic instruments... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: (kw) who is guilty? :) Date: 13 Nov 1998 09:32:48 +0000 I was thinking.. Who is the most laziest member of KW - Ralf or Florian? Whom of two is to be most blamed for not releasing any new material in so much years? Or may be their record company, for not asking them enoguh for a new album? :) Is there _anyone_ who will can make them do something? And whats their social status - i.e. married, children etc.. Does anybody of them run his own business? Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) FW: eat it... Date: 13 Nov 1998 04:54:41 EST well, since your chance of actually seeing the 99 total eclipse from Cornwall is only around 20% I recommend Munich, Germany. The chance there is better (and the chance of seeing KW probably !), and, in case of inclement weather, you can move further east (I think Budapest or Bucharest are in the path). The best chance is in Tehran, Iran, but since I plan to be there with my gorgeous gal, I guess that might not be that appropriate an option. BTW: if anyone fancies helping me organise a 2001 eclipse event in madagascar, let me know. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) who is guilty? :) Date: 13 Nov 1998 04:57:06 EST I don't think either of them would find it necessary to work (financially), but I suspect that both have other activities which - now - might mean that KW is a hobby rather than a vocation. Sorry for farting in church again ! K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) MIME-version: 1.0 Date: 13 Nov 1998 11:01:58 +0100 I stumbled into some old trash-sounds (No new songs or anything) on=20 kraftwerk=2Ecom=2E As far as I can tell they are only using klingklang=2Eau, klingklang5=2Eau=20= and=20 klingklang6=2Eau at present, but there are more: http://www=2Ekraftwerk=2Ecom/klingklang1=2Eau http://www=2Ekraftwerk=2Ecom/klingklang2=2Eau http://www=2Ekraftwerk=2Ecom/klingklang3=2Eau http://www=2Ekraftwerk=2Ecom/klingklang4=2Eau End of file / Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: (kw) Soundfiles on www.kraftwerk.com Date: 13 Nov 1998 16:40:06 +0100 >I stumbled into some old trash-sounds (No new songs or anything) on kraftwerk.com. Well, I don't recognize klingklang2 from any recording I've heard. One of the drumsounds are more "swoshing" than on The Mix. Any comments? /Joakim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Armin.Poecker@t-online.de (Armin Poecker) Subject: (kw) record values & 'Philips' bootlegs Date: 13 Nov 1998 20:23:41 +0100 > From: mark reed > Subject: (kw) 1+2+Ralf+Florian > > Picked up the UK issue double gatefold reissue of 1+2 ('waves' cover) > and the UK edition of R+F with the circuit board cover.. are these rare? > How much are they worth? a) pound 25-30 with 'spaceship' label, pound 50-70 with 'Spiral' label. b) pound 25 > From: Tom807@aol.com > Subject: (kw) 2 > > Are the LP vinyl albums on Phillips of KW, KW2, and R&F bootleg (pirate) > copies, or are they official re-releases from Philips? Doubtful they > would be and them not releasing the CDs too. And the price is high. Shop > owners say they are official but I smell a rat. Big rat. Bootlegs have a matrix number (the number the mastering engineer cuts into the run-off groove) starting with KRF-(numbers from 1-3 combined with 'A' and 'B'). Original copies have a matrix number starting with '6305' (original Philips series designation, then numbers for individual albums, for example '058' for Kraftwerk 1) The bootlegs are quite nice, especially the Ralf and Florian poster reproduction. I've seen them selling for up to 19 pounds, and this is too much. Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) who is guilty? :) Date: 13 Nov 1998 20:03:20 -0500 (EST) Vladimir Ivaschenko wrote: And whats their social status - i.e. married, children etc.. Does >anybody of them run his own business? Kraftwerk are Human? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: (kw) Kraftstein/Rammwerk? Date: 13 Nov 1998 20:12:21 -0700 Seen tonight.......Lead singer for Rammstein on MTV Europe Music Awards Show. He is seen bringing out a a touch tone telephone....he presses special keys.....and SCREAMS into the mouthpiece . Vocoderized scream! There's something very KW about this group. What city do they hail from? DJFRANKX http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/kw2000.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: RE: (kw) who is guilty? :) Date: 14 Nov 1998 13:51:22 +0100 > >Kraftwerk are Human? > > Are Man-Machine semi human been # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) who is guilty? :) Date: 14 Nov 1998 08:48:42 EST In a message dated 14/11/98 12:50:41 GMT, you write: << Are Man-Machine semi human been >> Semi-Human has-beens more like ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftstein/Rammwerk? Date: 14 Nov 1998 17:15:51 +0100 (NFT) There's a new (probably unofficial) remix of Rammstein's cover version of Kraftwerk's "Das Model" out, titled "DJ J-Non-Stop-Kraftwerk-Remix", 7:03" (spotted on the Rammstein Bootleg CD "Brachiale Gewalt"). > Seen tonight.......Lead singer for Rammstein on MTV Europe Music Awards > Show. He is seen bringing out a a touch tone telephone....he presses > special keys.....and SCREAMS into the mouthpiece . Vocoderized scream! > There's something very KW about this group. What city do they hail > from? A Rammstein biography is available at http://www.rammstein.de. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) "Vor uns Metropolis" Bootleg Date: 14 Nov 1998 17:17:16 +0100 (NFT) Some more details about the new Kraftwerk 2-CD bootleg "Vor uns Metropolis": Track listing: a) Ralf & Florian (complete album) b) Kraftwerk (complete album) c) Kraftwerk 2 (complete album) d) Kometenmelodie, Morgenspaziergang I (in fact "Klingklang"), Morgenspaziergang II (in fact "Tanzmusik") (allegedly USA 1974, in fact obviously mastered from the "Concert Classics" CD). e) Interzone (in fact "Rueckstoss Gondoliero", from the "Beat Club" TV appearance). The inner sleeve features a photo from the "Huetter & Schneider in the studio" photo session, similar to the photo used on the backsleeve of the "Ralf & Florian" album. "Label": Elektrik Cro-Magnon/Jugendstil-Tontraeger. "Catalogue number": ECM/JS 980102-2. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Rother interview in Oldie Markt Date: 14 Nov 1998 17:17:58 +0100 (NFT) The November issue of the German magazine Oldie Markt features the first part of a discographic article on Cluster/Kluster, NEU! and Harmonia, incl. an interview with Michael Rother about his Kraftwerk period. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Komputer & Kraftwerk Date: 14 Nov 1998 17:20:04 +0100 (NFT) > >- a common record company publicity campaign, to promote Kraftwerk and > > Komputer products simultaneously. > > excuse me but lately I was not a tight reader of the list: do you mean > the *same* record company? Yes and no... Kraftwerk are on EMI, while Komputer are on Mute. But I believe that Komputer is at least distributed via EMI in Germany. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: RE: (kw) X-Kraft/Non-Werk Date: 14 Nov 1998 17:26:12 +0100 (NFT) On Wed, 11 Nov 1998, Der Automat wrote: > My apologies if this has already been posted here, A huge part of it can be actually found in the FAQ file=20 for this mailing list... > Neu!, La D=FCsseldorf, Neondian (a solo project), Die Engel Des Herrn. = All > of those projects created by Klaus Dinger. At least this is Klaus Dinger's version of the story.=20 > Now he has a solo project. No, he hasn't. la! NEU? is a group. > > Wolfgang Flur >=20 > It was rumoured that Wolfgang Fl=FCr had been writting a book of > his memoirs, which it had been already published, AFAIK. Chris Raistrick has already made clear that it is not yet published,=20 not even finished.=20 Is there a certain reason why you continue to post such misleading information? > > Emil Schult (?) >=20 > He also made the videos of Yamo Once again: There is just one Yamo video ("Stereomatic"). > and he collaborated in Yamo single "Little Child". This single was by Jamo, not by Yamo. > And seemingly he is working on some pictures for an exposition this > year. Since he is a painter, he is always "working on some pictures", not just this year. =20 > > Fernando Abrantes >=20 > He works on KW live only. In fact he left Kraftwerk in 1991. > Lothar Manteuffel has composed several types of music for VH1 channel o= f > the German TV. Are you sure? Any concrete examples? =20 > Thomas Dinger, Klaus' brother, was on Neu! and La Duesseldorf. Now he > has a solo project. Who says that he has a solo project? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Compusic (was: Re: (kw) Concert dates???) Date: 14 Nov 1998 17:27:41 +0100 (NFT) > ># Copyright Andreas Kuckartz 1998 > ># Compusic(R), Klingklang(R) and Kraftwerk(R) product > > But who/what is Andreas Kuckartz and Compusic(R)? Check http://www.compusic.com. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robotkl@earthlink.net (KL) Subject: (kw) off topic (sort of) Date: 14 Nov 1998 12:31:27 -0500 The new mailing list for discussion of the music of Kevin Lux has now been created.. Please join the forum! Thank you, ______________________________________________________ Kevin Lux Official Website: electronic music for the global village http://www.kevinlux.simplenet.com "Technik" is now available. real audio also now available on website. Join the new mailing list, subscribe here: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/kevinlux ______________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) who is guilty? :) Date: 13 Nov 1998 21:55:00 +0100 >I was thinking.. Who is the most laziest member of KW - Ralf or Florian? I think that Florian is simply lazy while Ralf is actively lazy. I mean, Florian just want to do nothing, while Ralf take efforts to be sure to do nothing. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Subject: Re: (kw) record values & 'Philips' bootlegs Date: 15 Nov 1998 00:17:29 +0500 (GMT) >> From: mark reed >> Subject: (kw) 1+2+Ralf+Florian >>=20 >> Picked up the UK issue double gatefold reissue of 1+2 ('waves' cover) >> and the UK edition of R+F with the circuit board cover.. are these rare? >> How much are they worth?=20 > >a) pound 25-30 with 'spaceship' label, I got mine at $15 (9 pounds) in Florida last summer, and it's almost new. Bye, Jose, CD2000 =99 Lima - Peru # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) record values & 'Philips' bootlegs Date: 15 Nov 1998 16:16:14 +0500 On 15-Nov-98, Jose wrote: >>> From: mark reed >>> Subject: (kw) 1+2+Ralf+Florian Hey, my copies of KW and KW2 are legitimate after all! I wasn't really worried since I bought them during the late '70s, but it's nice to know. :-) -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Rusbridge" Subject: (kw) J M Jarre's Odyssey Through O2 - MUST! Date: 15 Nov 1998 20:41:21 -0000 Werkers Just purchased JMJ's Odyssey Through O2, What a totally exquisite LP! A definite must for electronic, progressive house, ambient and D&B fans alike. He has picked a cool group of DJ's and producers to work with which have done him proud. The interactive odyssey audio-visual program which is on the CD is pretty good to. The whole LP sounds excellent in Dolby pro-logic surround to. Oh yes, to be expected, in the sleeve Kraftwerk get a mention to by Stuart King & Marc Mitchell of the Sunday Club. Jim Members Numbers Money People # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) J M Jarre's Odyssey Through O2 - MUST! Date: 15 Nov 1998 21:22:19 +0000 Jim Rusbridge wrote: > Werkers > > Just purchased JMJ's Odyssey Through O2, What a totally exquisite LP! A > definite must for electronic, progressive house, ambient and D?B fans alike. > He has picked a cool group of DJ's and producers to work with which have > done him proud. The interactive odyssey audio-visual program which is on the > CD is pretty good to. The whole LP sounds excellent in Dolby pro-logic > surround to. Oh yes, to be expected, in the sleeve Kraftwerk get a mention > to by Stuart King ? Marc Mitchell of the Sunday Club. Well, my opinion about it is rather different... I won't recommend this disk to any JMJ/Krafwerk fans. There are a few tracks with good mainstream DJ music, but nothing special, considering that all other tracks sound rather ugly to me. There is no real composed music or innovation on it; there's just usual sound produced by good DJs. Supplied program is very limited in functioning, and in fact, demos that come with that software are made using another, full featured version. Just my personal opinion. Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftstein/Rammwerk? Date: 16 Nov 1998 12:38:13 +0100 FXCordero wrote: > Seen tonight.......Lead singer for Rammstein on MTV Europe Music Awards > Show. He is seen bringing out a a touch tone telephone....he presses > special keys.....and SCREAMS into the mouthpiece . Vocoderized scream= ! > There's something very KW about this group. What city do they hail fro= m? Rammstein are from Berlin. They have made an interesting rock version fro= m the classic "Das Modell", that it has released including a box set with their first s= ix singles. They confess to hear KRAFTWERK when they were young. Their CD single "Stripped" (Motor 044 141-2) contains a Kraftwerk-inspired "Tribut= e to Duesseldorf Mix" by Charlie Clouser. Rammstein are Till Lindemann (solist), Oliver Riedel (bass), Paul Lander (guitarist), Christian Flake Lorenz (keyboard), Richard Kruspe (guitarist) and Christoph Schneider (drummer). DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftstein/Rammwerk? Date: 16 Nov 1998 22:29:59 +0100 > ...There's something very KW about this group... You of course know about their Depeche Mode tribute Stripped? On the = CD-maxi there's a "Tribute to D=FC=DFeldorf mix" with some great vocoders in = it. /Joakim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Die Mensch Maschine Subject: (kw) new kraftwerk poll Date: 15 Nov 1998 23:05:39 -0800 rank your favorites on an easy 1 to 10 ballot: http://www.best.com/~drumz/mp/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark reed Subject: (kw) Karl Bartos Date: 15 Nov 1998 16:25:31 +0000 "The reason we didn't make any records for years was that we had no finanicial reason to. We became lazy perfectionists" Karl Bartos, Select magazine, 1993. -- mark reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "AdamR" Subject: (kw) New Kraftwerk 2xCD Date: 17 Nov 1998 19:44:38 +1100 KRAFTWERK Arbeiten – Works – Œuvres Capitol 24-4374 2 Disk 1 Sliver Forest 3:17 Rückstossgondoliere 11:17 Ruckzuck 7:47 Klingklang 17:36 Tonebirge 2:50 Autobahn 22:42 Kometenmelodie 2 5:45 Disk 2 Radio-Activität 6:41 Stimme Der Energie 0:55 Antenne 3:42 Trans Europa Express 6:53 Metall Auf Metall 6:43 Die Roboter 6:14 Das Modell 3:43 Die Mensch – Maschine 5:25 Computerwelt 5:06 Taschenrechner 4:55 Computer Liebe 5:06 Tour De France 6:30 Boing Boom Tschak 2:58 Musique Non Stop 5:46 ES WIRD IMMER WEITER GEHN MUSIK ALS TRÄGER VON IDEEN The cover is plain blue with the above message on the inside. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ola_Qvarnstr=F6m?=" Subject: (kw) Yamo Date: 17 Nov 1998 19:02:42 +0100 Hi, I have just begun listening to my old Kraftwerk records again after neglecting them for some years. I would like to hear what the view on Wolfang Flur's group is. Does anyone have any strong opinions about the "Time Pie" album? Berst wishes, Ola # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nitrous@home.com Subject: Re: (kw) Yamo Date: 17 Nov 1998 13:49:07 -0500 Ola Qvarnström wrote: > > Hi, > > I have just begun listening to my old Kraftwerk records again after > neglecting them for some years. I would like to hear what the view on > Wolfang Flur's group is. Does anyone have any strong opinions about the > "Time Pie" album? It took me around 5 times of listening to the whole CD ,now I love it. Very subtle and interesting noises and it puts me in a very strange time zone. Perhaps thats why they named the CD Time Pie :-) Nitrous # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo Cassolatto" Subject: (kw) Elektric Music Date: 17 Nov 1998 10:47:36 PST A interesting thing happen here in brazil at morning. A TV-news programa called "FALA BRASIL"( speak brazil in english) uses a music from Karl Bartos Elektric Music on live interviews with some person. I will hear again to tell what song is played !! Thanx |>------------------------------<| |>-- The Sintetik Way Of Life --<|>--------------------< |>------------------------------<|> Ricardo Cassolatto < |>--< sintetik@hotmail.com >--<|> SAO PAULO - BRAZIL < |>------------------------------<|>--------------------< |>-----< Musik Non Stop >-------<| |>------------------------------<| ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: (kw) kraftwerk " kover " Date: 17 Nov 1998 20:36:12 -0000 this may interest some of you.i got hold of a copy of a 3cd set by trouble funk called "droppin' bombs". a track called "trouble funk express" is credited to hutter/schneider/schult and is [very loosely] based on,you guessed it,t.e.e.,though it uses little of the melody and none of the lyrics. coincidentally ,on the same day,i acquired apollofourforty's "electro glide in blue" from which "altamont super-highway revisited" clearly rips off/is influenced by the reworked autobahn. chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PITT Mike Subject: (kw) Tour De Kraft Update. Date: 18 Nov 1998 01:20:00 -0000 MP3's from the 1981 tour; The Model - Paris Computerlove - Japan The Cover version is 'Numbers' from Transwerk Express Vol. II. Mike. Kraftwerk Live 1981 and Cover Versions. http://website.lineone.net/~mike.pitt/tdk.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) CW/NUMBERS VIDEO for download/streamed Date: 18 Nov 1998 13:42:53 +0100 I just downloaded a video of Numbers/Computerworld live -91 in Bruxells (Ri= ght=20 spelling?) to my homepage for the nice people on this beloved list to watch= =20 streamed or for download, the quality isn't by far the best, but for you wh= o=20 never has seen KW live I think it's worth the effort, and even for us lucki= es=20 who has seen them twice=2E If you go to my index at: http://members=2Etripod=2Ecom/~KlingKlang/index=2Ehtml You'll find a link called "GOTO KW VIDEO OF THE MONTH: " click on this an f= eel=20 the electrons floating through the net into your analog eyes and ears=2E I'm thinking of (when I have the time) to put more from this video out maby= =20 even one new a month (promising too much I think)=2E So please if you want me to do this, e-mail me privatly, so I know if its=20 worth the effort=2E Regards/Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott_Coverley@fac.com Subject: (kw) Man Machine Date: 18 Nov 1998 13:57:30 -0500 I think this may have already been asked before, but I have tried to buy the Man Machine from three different vendors-Music Boulevard, abcd, and cdnow. Each has said it was in stock, but later acknowledged no longer available. Anybody know??? Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo Cassolatto" Subject: (kw) Future Music - October/1998 Date: 18 Nov 1998 03:06:57 PST On last issue of Future Music ( October/1998 ), have a review about the ROBOVOX technology, or better, how produce sinthetized voices using your gear, and logical, the first band them talk about is Kraftwerk, and show how the techniques used by kraftwerk may maded in your home studio. Including Texas Instruments Speak and Spell !! ( The prefered by Kraftwerk !!!!) Ate mais garotos !!!!! |>------------------------------<| |>-- The Sintetik Way Of Life --<|>--------------------< |>------------------------------<|> Ricardo Cassolatto < |>--< sintetik@hotmail.com >--<|> SAO PAULO - BRAZIL < |>------------------------------<|>--------------------< |>-----< Musik Non Stop >-------<| |>------------------------------<| ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) Man Machine availability Date: 18 Nov 1998 11:52:33 -0800 (PST) Scott_Coverley@fac.com wrote: > I think this may have already been asked before, but I have tried to > buy the Man Machine from three different vendors-Music Boulevard, > abcd, and cdnow. Each has said it was in stock, but later > acknowledged no longer available. Anybody know??? That's news to me. I was in I think it was HMV yesterday and saw several copies of Man Machine, Electric Cafe AND Autobahn, all of which I've seen people report as difficult to find. I have the German versions, so these weren't really of interest to me, but I did notice their availability. Just curious: do most of you have both the German and English versions of each KW album? Of course, Autobahn & Radio-Aktivitaet are the same, so it's not even a big investment. Just curious. DER LAUNDROMAT _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Man Machine availability Date: 18 Nov 1998 21:05:43 +0100 >Jeff Young wrote: >Just curious: do most of you have both the German and English versions of each KW album? Yes, of course! I think they are very different in sound and feeling. If you haven't got both versions - buy them! This is also true for Mini Calculateur (frensh Taschenrechner), Dentaku (japanese Taschenrechner) and some other "odd language"-versiones - they'r also quite different. ("Odd" seen from an north-western European point-of-view...) /Joakim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) Man Machine availability Date: 18 Nov 1998 12:17:55 -0800 (PST) "Svensson, Joakim" wrote: > Yes, of course! I think they are very different in sound and feeling. If you > haven't got both versions - buy them! This is also true for Mini Calculateur > (frensh Taschenrechner)... Was Mini Calculateur officially released? How--on an otherwise German or English album as a bonus track? As a single? Or is it just a bootleg concert version? Never heard it. As for the two versions, the only real difference I've ever noticed is the missing "KOR-REKT!" in Das Modell. DER LAUNDROMAT _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) Man Machine availability Date: 18 Nov 1998 15:22:09 -0500 (EST) On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Jeff Young wrote: > Just curious: do most of you have both the German and English versions > of each KW album? Of course, Autobahn & Radio-Aktivitaet are the > same, so it's not even a big investment. Just curious. I have the German versions of all of the post-Radioactivity albums except Electric Cafe and The Mix (because I haven't seen them in record shops yet, mainly). I wanted to hear the songs as they were originally composed, and it is true that there are minor variations between the versions that make them worth owning if you care at all about such things. The Man-Machine, in particular, contains some significant differences. ******************************************************************************* John Morgan "Under what rule did you shoot them?" Student Services, "I'll tell you what rule we applied. We The University of Michigan applied rule .303! We caught them, and LS&A Honors Program shot them, under rule .3-0-3, SIR!" http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ --Breaker Morant including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anthony Glampson" Subject: (kw) Autobahn Picture Disc Date: 18 Nov 1998 20:22:41 -0000 Hi everyone, Can anyone tell me how much a Picture Disc LP of Autobahn would be worth. Thanks in Advance Anthony anthony@ducie.force9.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Stann Subject: (kw) "foreign" laguage version of KW Date: 18 Nov 1998 14:25:31 -0600 >Just curious: do most of you have both the German and English versions >of each KW album? Of course, Autobahn & Radio-Aktivitaet are the >same, so it's not even a big investment. Just curious. > >DER LAUNDROMAT Interestingly enough, after my move to the good ol' US in '82, I = searched for German versions of KW songs. I felt that the lyrics in = their native language conveyed the "feeling" or "mood" of Kraftwerk = songs most accurately. For instance, the English lyrics in Showroom = Dummies had rolling on the floor laughing the first time I heard them. Or "I'm the operator with my pocket calculator?" Sounds silly in = English. Domorigato Mr. Polacko # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Colatina Radio Som Ltda <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) itens for sale Date: 18 Nov 1998 18:47:28 -0200 Hi. I have rare itens for sale : KRAFTWERK VIDEO - Live at Belgique 14-11-91 Includes: Numbers, Computer World, Home-computer, Autobahn, TEE, Tour de France, The Model, Radio-activity, The Robots, Musique Non stop. Sound & image quality its good. KRAFTWER CD-R Live at Tribal Gathering concert (1997) (incomplete) Includes: Numbers, Computer World, The Robots, Tour de France, TEE, Musique Non stop. This is great "bootleg" CD !! If interested, contact me privately, please. Eduardo Monteiro 97fm@colatina.com.br # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Colatina Radio Som Ltda <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) itens for sale Date: 18 Nov 1998 19:08:45 -0200 Hi. I have rare itens for sale : KRAFTWERK VIDEO - Live at Belgique 14-11-91 Includes: Numbers, Computer World, Home-computer, Autobahn, TEE, Tour de France, The Model, Radio-activity, The Robots, Musique Non stop. Sound & image quality its good. KRAFTWER CD-R Live at Tribal Gathering concert (1997) (incomplete) Includes: Numbers, Computer World, The Robots, Tour de France, TEE, Musique Non stop. This is great "bootleg" CD !! If interested, contact me privately, please. Eduardo Monteiro 97fm@colatina.com.br # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick Hodgkins" Subject: (kw) MP3 player / soft Date: 19 Nov 1998 00:30:47 +0300 Can anyone advise which is the best? Cheers, Nick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Man Machine availability Date: 19 Nov 1998 08:28:03 +0100 (CET) On Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:52:33 -0800 (PST), Jeff Young wrote: >> I think this may have already been asked before, but I have tried to >> buy the Man Machine from three different vendors-Music Boulevard, >> abcd, and cdnow. Each has said it was in stock, but later >> acknowledged no longer available. Anybody know??? > >That's news to me. I was in I think it was HMV yesterday and saw >several copies of Man Machine, Electric Cafe AND Autobahn, all of >which I've seen people report as difficult to find. I have the German Yes, I have just checked and cduniverse.com anso don't have Man machine in stock. btw, cdzone.co.uk announced some months ago a new rerelease of Man Machine with additional tracks but it seems that this rerelease was abandonned. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) MP3's Date: 19 Nov 1998 08:33:06 +0100 (CET) Hi, I have put some MP3's from the Lauschangriff Bootleg at: http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald/audio/mp3.htm I will keep them here for one week and then post the remaining tracks each week depending on file size because I only have about 15 MB Web space here... Happy listening, Arnaud # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) CW/Numbers video for download/streamed Date: 19 Nov 1998 8:52:48 +0100 I just downloaded a video of Numbers/Computerworld live -91 in Brussels (Ri= ght=20 spelling?) to my homepage for the nice people on this beloved list to watch= =20 streamed or for download, the quality isn't by far the best, but for you wh= o=20 never has seen KW live I think it's worth the effort, and even for us lucki= es=20 who has seen them twice=2E If you go to my index at: http://members=2Etripod=2Ecom/~KlingKlang/index=2Ehtml You'll find a link called "GOTO KW VIDEO OF THE MONTH: " click on this an f= eel=20 the electrons floating through the net into your analog eyes and ears=2E I'm thinking of (when I have the time) to put more from this video out mayb= e=20 even one new a month (promising too much I think)=2E So please if you want me to do this, e-mail me privately, so I know if its=20 worth the effort=2E Regards/Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Bartos Airlines Date: 19 Nov 1998 13:13:52 +0000 > Scandinavian Airlines (SAS) are currently broadcasting a TV commercial > (at least in Sweden) wich comes along with the tune of "You Make the Sun > Shine", produced by Bartos, performed by Mobile Homes. The saga goes that Bartos performed this track together with The Mobile Homes live on German TV some weeks ago. Is somebody able to confirm? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Dancing in the Street" Re-release Date: 19 Nov 1998 13:13:51 +0000 The BBC video documentary "Dancing in the Street" was re-released on three video tapes, each tape featuring three original episodes. The third tape includes the "Planet Rock" episode with the Kraftwerk footage ("Autobahn"). Catalogue number: BBCV 6526. A box set with all three video tapes is also available (Catalogue number: BBCV 6527). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Michael Rother / Phantom Band Date: 19 Nov 1998 14:53:27 +0100 (NFT) According to http://ftp.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~philkime/GEPR/ph.html, the Phantom Band was a "Collaboration between Jaki Liebezeit (Can) and Michael Rother", but the All-Music Guide lists the Phantom Band line-up as Dominik Von Senger, Rosko Gee, Elek Gelba, Jaki Liebezeit, Helmut Zerlett. So is it true that Michael Rother was a member of the Phantom Band? Thanks in advance, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fischer, Hans-Peter" Subject: FW: (kw) Michael Rother / Phantom Band Date: 19 Nov 1998 15:23:55 +0100 > -----Original Message----- > From: Klaus Zaepke [SMTP:fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de] > Sent: Thursday, November 19, 1998 14:53 > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Cc: Klaus Zaepke > Subject: (kw) Michael Rother / Phantom Band >=20 >=20 >=20 > According to http://ftp.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~philkime/GEPR/ph.html, the > Phantom Band was a "Collaboration between Jaki Liebezeit (Can) and = Michael > Rother", but the All-Music Guide lists the Phantom Band line-up as > Dominik Von Senger, Rosko Gee, Elek Gelba, Jaki Liebezeit, Helmut = Zerlett. > So is it true that Michael Rother was a member of the Phantom Band? >=20 > Thanks in advance, > Klaus Zaepke >=20 Helmut Zerlett? Isn=B4t that the guy from "Harald-Schmidt-Show" (in = Germany)? Does he do serious music? What music style does the Phantom Band do? Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: (kw) Video price Date: 19 Nov 1998 16:05:03 +0100 Hi, How much could be the right selling price (in US$, UKĢ or DM) for my video bootleg of KW's concert in Munich, in 1991? Thank you very much Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: (kw) Language Barrier Date: 19 Nov 1998 12:09:26 -0500 All my life I've seen the city spelled as Duesseldorf. Is it CORRECTLY = spelled D=FCsseldorf? ...Das Bier schmeckt gut, aber bitte nicht auf Deutsch singen. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Language Barrier Date: 19 Nov 1998 18:40:06 +0100 >All my life I've seen the city spelled as Duesseldorf. Is it = CORRECTLY spelled D=FCsseldorf? Yes, the spelling is indeed correct. An alternative spelling is = D=FC=DFeldorf, as you use a "=DF"-character as a suppliment for "ss". Sometimes you = see ue in stead of =FC, the same for aa for =E5, ae for =E4 and oe for =F6, which = are special characters used in Sweden - but this is normally due to lacking = characters on the keyboard. /Joakim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) 'Metropolis' play Date: 19 Nov 1998 18:26:54 -0100 If any UK readers are in Birmingham around 25th - 28th November, they might be interested in the play 'Metropolis' being staged by the Drama Department of the University of Birmingham. It is of course based (to some degree) on the Fritz Lang film. I don't know whether the production will be worth a visit or not, but if nothing else I'm told that the performance should last under an hour! KB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) 'The Model' compilation Date: 19 Nov 1998 18:23:28 -0100 PS I'm finding some of the online Kraftwerk discographies difficult to navigate, but I don't think many contain the following? So I hope the following is of use. 'The Model' compilation, EMI, 552 918-2, 1997 "20 New Romantic hits from the 80s"! Guess which KW track is included. The Anorack :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: (kw) Cher! Date: 19 Nov 1998 18:26:24 -0500 (EST) This morning on Howard Stern show, he played a track from Cher's new album and said that it sounded like KRAFTWERK. i missed the show, but a friend e-mailed me and said that the song sounded like T.E.E. Can anyone confirm? thanks, lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "angelo" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk's Albuns in Brazil again!!! Date: 20 Nov 1998 00:24:45 -0200 The Krafwerk's Albuns... Autobahn, Radio Activity and Trans Europe Express, you can find again in the Brazilians Shops. I desire and wait which EMI-odeon now will be product this CD's ofte and more fast!!! I say it because EMI producted this albuns there ten years b= ut in the last years we never more finded the Kraftwerk's albuns in the Shop= s. Now notwithstanding which the band played in Brazil they want product aga= in the albuns! What the promise from EMI be ever keeped!!! :) By Miguel Angelo C. Pra=E7a angelo@urbi.com.br http://www.urbi.com.br/users/angelo ICQ - 11606126 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: Re: (kw) Cher! Date: 19 Nov 1998 20:12:16 -0700 47 writes> >This morning on Howard Stern show, he played a track from Cher's new album >and said that it sounded like KRAFTWERK. i missed the show, but a friend >e-mailed me and said that the song sounded like T.E.E. Can anyone confirm?< Cher's new dance single, " Believe" drips with VocoderCher. Album also has heavy doses of vocoder effects. Vocoder with heart. TEE? may be confused with electronic disco sounds? Rumoured to be one of her best works. The music video portrays her a as cosmic club alien faith healer/priestress diva giving advice to clubgoers inside a glass box confessional. Weren't early mannequin fortune tellers (with rotating head and moving hands over the playing cards) inside a booth....a little KW? We are the early fortune teller robots. Yes, the KW sound is there. DJFRANKX http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/kw2000.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hans-Peter.Fischer@dresdner-bank.com Subject: FW: (kw) Language Barrier Date: 20 Nov 1998 06:55:35 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Svensson, Joakim [SMTP:joakim.svensson@capgemini.se] > Sent: Thursday, November 19, 1998 18:40 > To: 'Kraftwerk' > Subject: RE: (kw) Language Barrier >=20 >=20 > >All my life I've seen the city spelled as Duesseldorf. Is it = CORRECTLY > spelled D=FCsseldorf? >=20 > Yes, the spelling is indeed correct. An alternative spelling is = D=FC=DFeldorf, > as you use a "=DF"-character as a suppliment for "ss". Sometimes you = see ue > in > stead of =FC, the same for aa for =E5, ae for =E4 and oe for =F6, = which are > special > characters used in Sweden - but this is normally due to lacking = characters > on the keyboard. >=20 > /Joakim >=20 >=20 Uh, it=B4s only "D=FCsseldorf", not "D=FC=DFeldorf"... The "=DF" has = not exactly the same meaning as "ss". You can write "ss" where a "=DF" is used, but you = can=B4t do it vice versa in all cases. Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) The end of the world? Date: 20 Nov 1998 02:01:24 -0500 As most of you should know, the music business is about to change radically. The largest music company in the world, PolyGram is in the final stages of being acquired by Seagram, the company that already owns MCA Inc., which includes the Universal/MCA family of record labels and Universal Studios and theme parks, for $10.4 billion. When PolyGram is acquired, the MCA and PolyGram families will merge, which will create five major labels instead of six. PolyGram Filmed Entertainment will be sold to MGM for $250 million, and the latter will own over 50% of the Hollywood movies made after 1948. The remaining four majors (BMG, WEA, Sony, and EMI) will be unable to compete against the new mega-major. Will this change the availability of the music we love and spell doom for up-and-coming acts? Will programs we want to watch or released on video ever see the light of day? What do you think--THIS IS THE WORST POSSIBLE DEAL FOR ENTERTAINMENT LOVERS AROUND THE WORLD! Thank you. Peace. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: re: (kw) "foreign" laguage version of KW Date: 20 Nov 1998 08:41:29 +0100 >Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:25:31 -0600 >From: Chris Stann >Subject: (kw) "foreign" laguage version of KW > >>Just curious: do most of you have both the German and English versions >>of each KW album? Of course, Autobahn & Radio-Aktivitaet are the >>same, so it's not even a big investment. Just curious. >> >>DER LAUNDROMAT > >Interestingly enough, after my move to the good ol' US in '82, I = >searched for German versions of KW songs. I felt that the lyrics in = >their native language conveyed the "feeling" or "mood" of Kraftwerk = >songs most accurately. For instance, the English lyrics in Showroom = >Dummies had rolling on the floor laughing the first time I heard them. > >Or "I'm the operator with my pocket calculator?" Sounds silly in = >English. "Ich bin der Musikant mit Taschenrechner in der Hand" "I'm the musician with pocket calculator in my hand" Does this sound more intelligent ? Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Language Barrier Date: 20 Nov 1998 09:14:00 +0100 Aha! My German-teacher never told me that! (Or might it be me = forgetting something??? Nah - impossible!) /Joakim -----Original Message----- Uh, it=B4s only "D=FCsseldorf", not "D=FC=DFeldorf"... The "=DF" has = not exactly the same meaning as "ss". You can write "ss" where a "=DF" is used, but you = can=B4t do it vice versa in all cases. Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gekn@ebifsol9.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de (Gerd Knochenhauer) Subject: Re: (kw) The end of the world? Date: 20 Nov 1998 09:15:06 +0100 No it's not. I just read about an artist (I don't remember her name) who sold some two or three million copies of her latest album without the support of one of the major music companies. In the last issue of The Economist there is an article in which they argue that more and more music is independantly sold via the Internet. So at least new groups have a good opportunity to sell their stuff. As to already released music that's a different story. But maybe some of the bands may buy back the rights (like Stockhausen did). Gerd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) The end of the world? Date: 20 Nov 1998 09:42:52 +0000 Adam Schefflan wrote: > > up-and-coming acts? Will programs we want to watch or released on video > ever see the light of day? What do you think--THIS IS THE WORST POSSIBLE > DEAL FOR ENTERTAINMENT LOVERS AROUND THE WORLD! Thank you. Peace. Is this the proverbial world, or the real world? I mean. most of you guys from the other side of the pond often mistake 'world' with 'america' ;-) I think you'll find that independent labels will flourish still. Multi-conglomerate labels tend to concentrate on big signings, leaving the edge-cutters to flourish within their own worlds. At least that's what the situation is over here in europe. There are more indie labels than you can shake a stick at, and most of 'em live happily side by side with the big boys, mainly cos there is a market for them. the sooner you guys remove the ugly 'alternative music' label from your record shops, the more easily avant-garde stuff will filter to the masses _without_ the aid of big budgets. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hans-Peter.Fischer@dresdner-bank.com Subject: RE: (kw) Language Barrier Date: 20 Nov 1998 09:37:10 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Svensson, Joakim [SMTP:joakim.svensson@capgemini.se] > Sent: Friday, November 20, 1998 09:14 > To: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: (kw) Language Barrier >=20 >=20 > Aha! My German-teacher never told me that! (Or might it be me = forgetting > something??? Nah - impossible!) >=20 > /Joakim >=20 >=20 So you had german in school? Cool, I whish we had swedish in schools = here, svenska =E5r ett sv=E5rt spr=E5k... :) Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Robbie Williams / George Clinton / Blur ... Date: 20 Nov 1998 15:12:29 +0100 On Sunday 31 May 1998 11:16 Mike Pitt wrote: > On Friday afternoon 29th May Robbie Williams picked > his ten favourite songs on MTV UK's STARTRAX. > Describing it as an 'old skool' selection he chose > 'Tour De France' and MTV UK obliged us by playing > the remix version of the video in which Kraftwerk > themselves appear cycling. >=20 > Also his next album is rumoured to be titled, > 'Man Machine'. On Thusday 12 November 1998 15:42 Der Automat wrote: > The new album "I've Been Expecting You" (Chrysalis / EMI) by Robbie >Williams was released on 26 October. This LP contains a track called "Ma= n >Machine". http://www.robbiewilliams.co.uk Neil Tennant (Pet Shop Boys) and Neil Hannon (The Divine Comedy) have collaborated in this album. George Clinton has an album called "Computer Games". Mike Dred (aka Kosmik Komando, Chimera) & Peter Green have recorded a CD titled "Virtual Farmer" (Rephlex) that contains 11 tracks of abstract techno with ambient touches, making incursions through the digital distortion and the Kraftwerk techno-pop. The cover of the album "Modern Life is Rubbish" by Blur features a train = in the style of TEE. According to the title this could be a critic to KW. Found at a Spanish recordshop on-line list: 589.58.01 Kraftwerk.=3Dtribute=3D Kraftwerk, Best of Precios (Price): CD (2) 4.050* Does anyone of you what record is it? My apologies if this has already been discussed here, but I really want t= o=20 know. Long time ago someone wrote to this list: >Quoted from the April issue of Muzik, page 12: >"Mrs. Wood has completed a single for React as Woodwork. The hard dance >doyenne is following it with a 'homage to Kraftwerk'... German >electro/techno artist Anthony Rother, meanwhile, who runs the Kaar label= , >is reported to have remixed the Teutonic legends' 'Trans Europe >Express'..." 1. Who's Mrs. Wood? 2. Has Anthony Rother remixed TEE? Thank you in advance. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: RE: (kw) Robbie Williams / George Clinton / Blur ... Date: 20 Nov 1998 14:39:12 -0100 At 3:12 pm +0100 20/11/98, Der Automat wrote: >Mike Dred (aka Kosmik Komando, Chimera) & Peter Green have recorded a CD >titled "Virtual Farmer" (Rephlex) that contains 11 tracks of abstract >techno with ambient touches, making incursions through the digital >distortion and >the Kraftwerk techno-pop. You're obviously quoting someone here. Any reviewer/publicist who cites "digital distortion" as a selling point is probably ill-qualified to make comparisons with other artists, IMO. >1. Who's Mrs. Wood? I believe she is or was a successful DJ in otherwise men-only sort of dancehalls. KB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: Re: (kw) Mrs. Wood Date: 20 Nov 1998 07:40:18 -0700 >1. Who's Mrs. Wood? Mrs. Wood is a 40+ housewife from the UK who took up DJ'ing to pass the time and then became a techno sensation. "Mrs. Wood Teaches Techno " I believe, is one of her many efforts. DJFRANKX # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) "foreign" laguage version of KW Date: 20 Nov 1998 10:49:16 -0500 For instance, the English lyrics in Showroom Dummies had rolling on the floor laughing the first time I heard them. Personally, I like the French version better than the English version,, but I've never heard the German one. Domorigato Mr. Polacko What exactly does this mean? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Future Music - October/1998 Date: 20 Nov 1998 10:43:39 -0500 how the techniques used by kraftwerk may maded in your home studio.=20 Including Texas Instruments Speak and Spell !! ( The prefered by=20 Kraftwerk !!!!)=20 There has been talk that KW used the Speak And Spell, but does anyone = know exactly what songs (and where) it was used? I haven't been able to = figure all the strange things they did, between the vocorders and all... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: FW: (kw) Future Music - October/1998 Date: 20 Nov 1998 11:55:19 -0700 (MST) On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, William Dobiesz wrote: > There has been talk that KW used the Speak And Spell, but does anyone know exactly what songs (and where) it was used? I haven't been able to figure all the strange things they did, between the vocorders and all... Both versions of Homecomputer - the bleeps and bloops at the beginning. I think it was used elsewhere as well, but it won't come to me at the moment. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: (kw) Off topic -Clavia Nord Modular Date: 20 Nov 1998 22:24:17 +0100 Hi all. Recently I saw a live demonstration of the Clavia Nord Modular, that I didn't know. I found it incredible! It was like if KW were into the instrument itself! If somebody of you own or know this musical dream box, please, mail me privately about your opinion, because I'm interested in buying it. Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) Future Music - October/1998 Date: 20 Nov 1998 22:13:10 +0100 >Da: William Dobiesz >A: 'Kraftwerk' >Oggetto: FW: (kw) Future Music - October/1998 >Data: venerdė 20 novembre 1998 16.43 > >how the techniques used by kraftwerk may maded in your home studio. >Including Texas Instruments Speak and Spell !! ( The prefered by >Kraftwerk !!!!) Could anyone please send me the complete Future Music's article? I'm very interested in it.TIA, Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas Paterson" Subject: (kw) Speak and Spell Date: 20 Nov 1998 22:25:41 -0000 I think you'll find that all the voices saying 'business', 'numbers', 'people','travel','entertainment' etc in Computer World ( the title track ) are Speak and Spell. I also think it's true to say that KW didn't use the Speak and Spell machine as often as people think, in fact I can't think of another example ! (Sorry Ra, but I don't think you're correct about Home Computer). Before samplers became as popular as micro-wave ovens KW did a masterful job of syncing tape loops of phrases - check out 'Numbers' on the same album. Thomas. Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: olke@amazon.com (Matthew Anderson) Subject: R: (kw) Future Music - October/1998 Date: 20 Nov 1998 15:31:16 -0400 >Could anyone please send me the complete Future Music's article? >I'm very interested in it.TIA, >Didi >Milan - PDN >robotnik@iol.it Could someone post the article to the list? I would love to read the article also... thanks, olke ::..web:.developer.::..amazon.com::...:..>>> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Corchado Subject: Re: (kw) Speak and Spell Date: 20 Nov 1998 16:31:25 -0600 (CST) > Before samplers became as popular as micro-wave ovens KW did a masterful job > of syncing tape loops of phrases - check out 'Numbers' on the same album. I always thought that the loops in 'Numbers' were done with samplers. In fact, I always thought that most of the effects and noises in 'Computer World' were done with samplers. I guess I was wrong. However, they did use samplers in that album, didn't they? Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) "Magic Fly" Date: 20 Nov 1998 23:46:22 +0100 Does anybody know/remember the song "Magic Fly" (sorry, I don't know the performer). I heard it on the radio a few days ago - it seems to be influenced by Kraftwerk's "Mensch Maschine"-album... . Gruesse aus Wien, Georgie -- * "Interpol und Deutsche Bank FBI und Scotland Yard CIA and KGB * * control the data memory" (Computerworld) * * Georg Jajus - Vienna - Austria * * * http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * phone & SMS: +436765621850 * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Speak and Spell Date: 20 Nov 1998 16:10:21 -0700 (MST) On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Thomas Paterson wrote: > I think you'll find that all the voices saying 'business', 'numbers', > 'people','travel','entertainment' etc in Computer World ( the title track ) > are Speak and Spell. That's what I forgot. Thanks. > I also think it's true to say that KW didn't use the > Speak and Spell machine as often as people think, in fact I can't think of That they use it at all is a nice touch. It made interesting sounds. > another example ! (Sorry Ra, but I don't think you're correct about Home > Computer). Yes I am. The original CW version uses three direct samples (one of them repeated) right at the beginning. The Mix version uses filtered and echoed versions of the same sounds. I have a S&S. I'll sample the bloody sounds if you want proof. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas Paterson" Subject: (kw) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 23:47:26 -0000 Date: 20 Nov 1998 16:48:11 -0700 I'm afraid there wasn't a single sampler on Computer World. It might seem crazy nowadays, but the memory required to sample anything at even the lowest sample rates simply wasn't available in 1980. If you listen closely to 'Numbers' you'll hear that the phrases are just slightly out of sync ( not by much mind ) with the groundbreaking beat. The looped phrases were cut and spliced over the beat 'manually' so to speak and therefore slight timing problems would inevitabley occur. It's not as 'tight' as todays music. Please don't get me wrong, 'Computer World' changed everything as regards electronic music, it did things Jarre, Tangerine Dream and Moroder and all that rubbish could only dream of. It was 'beat' based and basically set out the parameters everyone is still using today. Technically speaking, the Mellotron and tape loops are 'samples' but not as we know them today. Hope I haven't bored you. Thomas. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: weldelectronica@worldnet.att.net Subject: (kw) Speech Synthesis Date: 20 Nov 1998 19:33:34 -0400 may i recommend two software speech synthesizers for any electronic musicians or people looking to have some fun on the list. proost WELD Vocalwriter for the mac http://www.kaelabs.com/ and IPOX for the PC http://www.itl.atr.co.jp/comp.speech/Section5/Synth/ipox.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 23:47:26 -0000 Date: 21 Nov 1998 06:04:44 +0100 (CET) On Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:48:11 -0700, Thomas Paterson wrote: >crazy nowadays, but the memory required to sample anything at even the >lowest sample rates simply wasn't available in 1980. That's wrong JM Jarre used a Fairlight (not sure of the spelling...) sampler in his album 'Magnetic Fields' * >If you listen closely to 'Numbers' you'll hear that the phrases are just >slightly out of sync ( not by much mind ) with the groundbreaking beat. The >looped phrases were cut and spliced over the beat 'manually' so to speak and >therefore slight timing problems would inevitabley occur. It's not as >'tight' as todays music. I will look closely to this point... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) The end of the world? Date: 20 Nov 1998 06:47:47 -0500 (EST) Jules Seifert wrote: the sooner you >guys remove the ugly 'alternative music' label from your record shops, >the more easily avant-garde stuff will filter to the masses _without_ >the aid of big budgets. it's more easely said than done. i want alternative dead as much as any european, (i used to be a european about 10 years ago, now i live in US). i work at a radio station (i used to be the Chief Engineer, but resinged to become resident Kraftwerk expert) where like at any other radio station every week the music director sends a magic piece of paper to CMJ (college music journal) or any other similar organisations (HITS, BMI, etc.) and on that paper is a weekly music log, a report who was played most, a top 25 of a sort. and all the record labels look at the next and each months issues of the report publication to see who played their artists music, and that's how they decide to send more music to the same radio station. small labels can't afford to send out thousands of free cd's to radio stations for airplay to get exposure. so the big six, or should i say five record companies capitalize the radio market, and what do you think record shops are going to sell, unknown bands which woun't make the shop any money, or the new pearl jam/puff daddy collaboration project? so you see, it's a flaming circle of shit, you can't touch cause you'll get burned, and if you do touch, you'll have shit on your hands. lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "markus vidman" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk mp3? Date: 20 Nov 1998 03:19:11 PST Where can i find Kraftwerk mp3=B4s on the internet?? They are imposible to find.. Please tell me a http adress or an ftp with l/p. Thanx -mArkUs ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Language Barrier Date: 20 Nov 1998 10:31:50 -0500 ---------- Hans-Peter.Fischer@dresdner-bank.com[SMTP:Hans-Peter.Fischer@dresdner-ban= k.com] Sent: Friday, 20 November, 1998 01:55 Uh, it=B4s only "D=FCsseldorf", not "D=FC=DFeldorf"... The "=DF" has = not exactly the same meaning as "ss". You can write "ss" where a "=DF" is used, but you = can=B4t do it vice versa in all cases. Peter I suspected this was the case, as I have seen German text that used both = the ss and the =DF - in fact, I could swear that I've even seen both = used in the same word once. Any "useful" German I learn is a bonus. If I were there, I wouldn't = have the faintest idea of how to say "I'm hungry and I need a room for = the night." But, if I should happen to see a sign like this, I'd = understand: M=FCssen bei der ersten inbetriebnahme und danach monatlich laut = betriebsanleitung gepr=FCft werden. Oh, the dangers of actually BECOMING Mensch-Maschine! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Armin.Poecker@t-online.de (Armin Poecker) Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #233 Date: 20 Nov 1998 16:34:53 +0100 > Was Mini Calculateur officially released? How--on an otherwise German > or English album as a bonus track? As a single? Or is it just a > bootleg concert version? Never heard it. Certainly. On the french LP and Cassette pressings of 'Computer World', on 12" in France, on 7" in France, the Netherlands and Canada (promo-only in that case) > As for the two versions, the only real difference I've ever noticed is > the missing "KOR-REKT!" in Das Modell. Check Taschenrechner against any foreign-language version - different sounds in the background and different fadeout. Maybe even better as an example: Computerwelt verus Computer World. The english-language version misses quite a lot of text. > Can anyone tell me how much a Picture Disc LP of > Autobahn would be worth. pound 20 if bought new from a regular UK mailorder (check Rage). Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark reed Subject: (kw) Model LIVE Date: 19 Nov 1998 08:31:59 +0000 Carter The Unstoppable Sex Machines cover medley of "Model/Music Non Stop" (live Pully Festival switzerland 12 July 97) is available on their mail order CD "LIVE!" (Cooking Vinyl CD 149) -- mark reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EJRSemiGod@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk mp3? Date: 21 Nov 1998 01:16:03 EST In a message dated 11/20/98 11:28:25 PM Central Standard Time, markus_kwerk@hotmail.com writes: << Where can i find Kraftwerk mp3=B4s on the internet?? They are imposible to find.. Please tell me a http adress or an ftp with l/p. >> http://members.xoom.com/kraftwerker/ tour de france. more coming soon. ejr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Subject: (kw) The Big Lebowsky Date: 21 Nov 1998 11:51:22 +0100 Hi there: Have somebody seen the film The Big Lebowsky ? It is full of ideas taken from Kraftwerk. And... Does anybody know if Ralf Hutter have something to do with the film Cold Fever ? Thanks. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Morgan" Subject: (kw) Dance Robots Date: 21 Nov 1998 11:45:11 -0000 Hi there, just a comment to say I hope all the people who requested an E-mailed copy of Dance Robots RA file received them without problem. and also to say thanks to the one person (FXcordero) who bothered to send a reply after the mailing to say thank you. cheers from Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 23:47:26 -0000 Date: 21 Nov 1998 12:57:49 +0100 > Da: Thomas Paterson > Please don't get me wrong, 'Computer World' changed everything as regards > electronic music, it did things Jarre, Tangerine Dream and Moroder and all > that rubbish could only dream of. What do you mean? Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk mp3? Date: 21 Nov 1998 14:34:30 +0100 (CET) On Fri, 20 Nov 1998 03:19:11 PST, markus vidman wrote: > >Where can i find Kraftwerk mp3 s on the internet?? >They are imposible to find.. really??? I have found many of them. Well... On my own home page http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald/audio/mp3.htm, I change them once a week. It will be only KW stuffs at least for 4 more weeks also, try the Kraftwerk Webring, There are afew sites with mp3's: http://www.webring.org/cgi-bin/webring?ring=kraftwerk&list resonance.underground - Active-K http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/activek.html then, you can search twice a day on http://mp3.box.sk for kraftwerk. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JMJ Fanklubb Norge" Subject: SV: (kw) "Magic Fly" Date: 21 Nov 1998 16:10:36 +0100 >Does anybody know/remember the song "Magic Fly" (sorry, I don't know >the performer). I heard it on the radio a few days ago - it seems to be >influenced by Kraftwerk's "Mensch Maschine"-album... . > >Gruesse aus Wien, >Georgie The band with Magic Fly is Space, a French 70s synth band which appeared = in the wake of Jarre's Oxygene. Magic Fly was released in 1977, one year = before Man Machine, so I dont think there are any KW influences in Magic = Fly (at least not from Man Machine). Perhaps you heard a remix which = could be more KW influenced than the original Magic Fly. Jarre forever! Glenn Jean-Michel Jarre Fanclub Norway Seljeveien 18, 2022 Gjerdrum Email glenn@jmjfkn.com Go to www.jmjfkn.com Since 1993 Publisher of IMAGES magazine Organiser of the international JMJ tribute album (tribute@jmjfkn.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JMJ Fanklubb Norge" Subject: SV: (kw) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 23:47:26 -0000 Date: 21 Nov 1998 16:12:56 +0100 >Please don't get me wrong, 'Computer World' changed everything as = regards >electronic music, it did things Jarre, Tangerine Dream and Moroder and = all >that rubbish could only dream of. Would you care to elaborate on that? I am interested in specifically = what is so great with this album. Not that I dont like it, but I find = other KW albums to be better. Jarre forever! Glenn Jean-Michel Jarre Fanclub Norway Seljeveien 18, 2022 Gjerdrum Email glenn@jmjfkn.com Go to www.jmjfkn.com Since 1993 Publisher of IMAGES magazine Organiser of the international JMJ tribute album (tribute@jmjfkn.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EJRSemiGod@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) The Big Lebowsky Date: 21 Nov 1998 12:25:07 EST In a message dated 11/21/98 4:57:39 AM Central Standard Time, alcoi@chusuk.arrakis.es writes: << Have somebody seen the film The Big Lebowsky ? It is full of ideas taken from Kraftwerk. >> Yeah, especially the "Autobahn" group thing.. They're all dressed in Man- Machine-esque shirts...etc... The actors that played the group "Autobahn" in the movie were none other than england's own Chemical Brothers! I found that movie hillarious, actually.. heheee ejr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) The Big Lebowsky Date: 21 Nov 1998 18:37:39 +0100 > EJRSemiGod@aol.com wrote: >...The actors that played the group "Autobahn" in the movie were none other than england's own Chemical Brothers! Ehh - One of them was played by Peter Stormare, and he is AFAIK not a member of CB. Besides that, I also love this movie! One of the best in a long time. /Joakim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) The end of the world? Date: 21 Nov 1998 03:09:13 +0100 >ever see the light of day? What do you think--THIS IS THE WORST POSSIBLE >DEAL FOR ENTERTAINMENT LOVERS AROUND THE WORLD! Thank you. Peace. indeed. time for independent producers to move their ass. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) "Magic Fly" Date: 21 Nov 1998 03:05:22 +0100 >Does anybody know/remember the song "Magic Fly" (sorry, I don't know yes, and I should even have a 7" of it somewhere... >influenced by Kraftwerk's "Mensch Maschine"-album... . I really would not say that. If I should say an influence, I'll say JM Jarre. the sounds sound more like it. also, am I wrong, or MM is posterior to it? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Speak and Spell Date: 21 Nov 1998 18:09:24 -0700 (MST) > lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca writes: > > Yes I am. The original CW version uses three direct samples (one of them > repeated) right at the beginning. The Mix version uses filtered and echoed > versions of the same sounds. I have a S&S. I'll sample the bloody sounds > if you want proof. Someone asked me off-list to do this anyway, so I did. For anyone interested, a WAV file of some assorted Speak & Spell sounds is available at http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs/sns.zip For those who don't have software that plays WAVs natively, it's an 8-bit unsigned mono 44.1KHz file, Zip-compressed. You'll hear some clicks - that's because the S&S's audio quality bites and I connected its earphone out directly to my sound card's line in. I'll leave the file up for only a few days - I don't have much space. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * Spell... numvelterschnutzung. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) "foreign" laguage version of KW Date: 21 Nov 1998 09:37:21 -0500 Domorigato - thankyou in Japanese OK.... Mr. Polacko - Polack is a demeaning name for polish folks - that's me. Well...what country do you think a name like Dobiesz is from? It may = not sound quite as Polish as my mother's maiden name (Wojtowicz), but it = is. As for me, I'm proud to be a Polack! Actually, I'm 1/8 German. STYX had song - Domorigato Mr.Roboto - a little futuristic. I know the song, and that was why I brought it up in the first place. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) The Big Lebowsky Date: 21 Nov 1998 11:54:19 -0500 (EST) alcoi@chusuk.arrakis.es wrote: > Have somebody seen the film The Big Lebowsky ? >It is full of ideas taken from Kraftwerk. Does anybody know if Ralf Hutter have something to do with the film Cold >Fever ? the only film that actually credits Kraftwerk as a composer of the score is called "Radio On". A 1980 British murder mystery, about a radio DJ. i've never seen the film, but been told that there is no original music written for the film by Kraftwerk, they just allowed a few of their songs to be used because of the DJ premise in the film. There are however other films (Breakin/Dreak Dance) that used Kraftwerk music, but KW were not really credited as composer. That's all I know for now. lenny g oh, once again, big lebawsky has a parody/spoof of KW in the film, a german washed up seventies, techno-pop band called Autobahn, but nothing to do with KW. it's just funny. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: SV: (kw) "Magic Fly" Date: 21 Nov 1998 12:05:00 -0500 (EST) Does anybody know/remember the song "Magic Fly" (sorry, I don't know >>the performer). I heard it on the radio a few days ago - it seems to be >>influenced by Kraftwerk's "Mensch Maschine"-album... . >The band with Magic Fly is Space, a French 70s synth band which appeared in the wake of Jarre's Oxygene. Magic Fly was released in 1977, one year before Man Machine, so I dont think there are any KW influences in Magic Fly (at least not from Man Machine). Perhaps you heard a remix which could be more KW influenced than the original Magic Fly. this is correct, however, earlier this year Michael Cretu of Enigma released a CD called Trance Atlantic Airwaves - The Energy of Sound (KW similars: T.E.E., Airwaves, Voice of Energy) on which he does 10 electronic cover songs, including, Magic Fly by Space. This version could sound a bit Kraftwerkish if you don't pay attention to the hard Chicago style House beat in the background. There are plenty of wooshy synths and Cretu replcated the solo instruments sound from the Space record (or maybe sampled it) that the two are indistingwishable. It's on Virgin Schallplatten GmbH Records #7243 8 45347 2 1. Perhaps this is the song you heard. That's all I know for now. lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Luca Dassi" Subject: R: (kw) "Magic Fly" Date: 21 Nov 1998 15:24:14 +0100 >Does anybody know/remember the song "Magic Fly" (sorry, I don't know >the performer). I heard it on the radio a few days ago - it seems to be >influenced by Kraftwerk's "Mensch Maschine"-album... . > I do remember a "Magic Fly" by "Space" - an innocuous instrumental though... it doesn't seem very kraftwerkish to me. I will put "Space" alongside with "Rockets" (a French group whose members appeared on stage always painted in silver) - pop songs with a space attitude (vocoders and so on) Ciao, *Luca* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas Paterson" Subject: Re: (kw) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 23:47:26 -0000 Date: 21 Nov 1998 23:00:07 -0000 >Please don't get me wrong, 'Computer World' changed everything as regards >electronic music, it did things Jarre, Tangerine Dream and Moroder and all >that rubbish could only dream of. Would you care to elaborate on that? I am interested in specifically what is so great with this album. Not that I dont like it, but I find other KW albums to be better. Apologies if I offended anyone, I think I was getting a bit too enthusiastic !. It's just that I feel that artists like Jarre write music that happens to be played electronically, but could just as easily be played by an orchestra. Kraftwerk on the other hand need the sounds and the beats to convey their own special ideas, it just wouldn't be the same piece without the electronics. Of course their work can be extremely orchestral at times, but I think you get my point. That's why they are constantly referenced by other artists as being an influence, and not Jarre. Thomas. -----Original Message----- >Please don't get me wrong, 'Computer World' changed everything as regards >electronic music, it did things Jarre, Tangerine Dream and Moroder and all >that rubbish could only dream of. Would you care to elaborate on that? I am interested in specifically what is so great with this album. Not that I dont like it, but I find other KW albums to be better. Jarre forever! Glenn Jean-Michel Jarre Fanclub Norway Seljeveien 18, 2022 Gjerdrum Email glenn@jmjfkn.com Go to www.jmjfkn.com Since 1993 Publisher of IMAGES magazine Organiser of the international JMJ tribute album (tribute@jmjfkn.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: (kw) samplers on computer world? Date: 22 Nov 1998 13:24:08 -0000 Thomas Paterson wrote: >I'm afraid there wasn't a single sampler on Computer World. It might >seem crazy nowadays, but the memory required to sample anything >at even the lowest sample rates simply wasn't available in 1980. Close, but no cigar... Ralf stated in interviews at the time that they did have a digital device capable of around 6 seconds storage, though whether this device was custom built, "off the shelf", or simply a modified digital delay is unknown. Either way it's a sampler by any definition. Though this mysterious box was used on the '81 tour the question as to it's use on CW is one that can only be answered by the band themselves. Anyway, just to be really pedantic, there *was* at least one proper sampler that had been around for a couple of years before CW was released. The Fairlight cost a shit load of cash (i.e. as much as a modest house) and was the preserve of the super wealthy. Did KW use one? I dunno, again you'll have to ask them. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Colatina Radio Som Ltda <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) itens for TRADE Date: 22 Nov 1998 17:33:09 -0200 HI. I have ten copies (CD-R) of the Tribal Gathering concert `97 (Numbers, Computer World, The Robots, Trans Europe Express and others) I accept SWAP by others itens (bootlegs, cds, videos and more..) If you have any thing, please, write me privately. Eduardo Monteiro 97fm@colatina.com.br # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nowhere000@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) samplers on computer world? Date: 22 Nov 1998 14:51:29 EST The Fairlight Did KW use one? Yes they did Post Computer World Tour de France & Electric Cafe The early stages of The Mix before going to Akais-maybe # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Moraga Subject: (kw) Online Speech Synthesis Date: 22 Nov 1998 12:14:06 -0800 May I recommend Ron's SPEAK-IT! On-line Speech Synthesizer? It allows you to type your text, hit "speakit!" and get a .aiff, .wav or a .au file with a cool robotic voice speaking your text. I guarantee hours of fun with this! http://www.koyote.com/users/etrax/speaktext.html Paul Daly City, CA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Moraga Subject: (kw) Another US tour? Date: 22 Nov 1998 12:29:53 -0800 Does anyone have any idea when KW might tour the US West Coast again? I heard a rumor that it might happen in 1999. That seems hard to imagine since it took them 17 years to return to this area. I certainly wouldn't complain! Their show here in June was incredible. Thanks for any info, Paul Daly City, CA USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ctzero@aol.com Subject: (kw) RE: Domorigato Date: 22 Nov 1998 17:16:50 EST William Dobiesz wrote: <> Are you referring to "Double Arigato, Mr. Roboto", by the group Styx? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wtalley@corp.home.net (William Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Online Speech Synthesis Date: 22 Nov 1998 17:16:13 -0800 Excellant site! You are right, hours of fun. In fact, I'm using this page to make the singing up for my latest piece of music. Thanks! Bill Paul Moraga wrote: > > May I recommend > Ron's SPEAK-IT! On-line Speech Synthesizer? > > It allows you to type your text, hit "speakit!" and get a .aiff, .wav or a > .au file with a cool robotic voice speaking your text. I guarantee hours of > fun with this! > > http://www.koyote.com/users/etrax/speaktext.html > > Paul > Daly City, CA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Online Speech Synthesis Date: 22 Nov 1998 20:33:26 EST You know - this is the exact same thing - the Lucent speech synthesis - that is and has been available for over a year (at least that I know if) on the Bell Labs web page. . . . .but it is pretty cool. I've used and modified many voices - it's interesting to input english words into the german accent voices. . . . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: (kw) Off Topic: 242 Date: 23 Nov 1998 09:39:37 +0000 Anyone at the 242 gig in London last night? what say you?? Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) samplers on computer world? Date: 23 Nov 1998 11:27:19 +0000 Jon Alsbury wrote: > > > Anyway, just to be really pedantic, there *was* at least one proper > sampler that had been around for a couple of years before CW > was released. The Fairlight cost a shit load of cash (i.e. as much > as a modest house) and was the preserve of the super wealthy. > Did KW use one? I dunno, again you'll have to ask them. > Was the fairlight available that early in the 80's? I thought it was released in around 82-83 ish times, and yes, it was about Ģ60,000 to buy, and came with a technician in some cases. Something to do with the interface being 'non GUI' ;-) Apparently, you can pick one up for about 5-6000 nowadays, that's if you want a nice 12khz mono sampler, with no midi ;-) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) samplers on computer world? Date: 23 Nov 1998 12:29:00 -0000 wrong again: it was a Synclavier >The Fairlight >Did KW use one? > > >Yes they did Post Computer World > >Tour de France & Electric Cafe >The early stages of The Mix before going to Akais-maybe # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric.Schader@gambro.com Subject: RE: (kw) samplers on computer world? Date: 23 Nov 1998 13:55:01 +0100 > Was the fairlight available that early in the 80's? I thought it was > released in around 82-83 ish times, and yes, it was about =A360,000 = to > buy, and came with a technician in some cases. Something to do with = the > interface being 'non GUI' ;-) >=20 >=20 I believe that you're thinking of the Fairlight CMI II, which was = released 1982. Actually the first Fairlight CMI was released in 1979. Here's a little something about Fairlight if anyone's interested. The Fairlight was designed by two Australian engineers, Peter Vogel and = Kim Ryrie who had already established the Fairlight company manufacturing = and selling video special effects boxes. The prototype was known as the = QASAR M8 (1978) subsequently developed into the Fairlight Computer Music = Instrument (aka Fairlight CMI) in 1979.=20 The Fairlight CMI was the first commercially available digital sampling instrument, instead of generating sounds from mathematical wave data, = the sampler digitises sounds from an external audio source via an analogue = to digital convertor for re-synthesis or processing. The original = Fairlight models used two standard 8 bit 6800 processors, updated to the more powerfull 16 bit 68000 chips in later versions. The Fairlight was = equiped with two six octave keyboards an alphanumeric keyboard and an = interactive VDU where sounds could be edited or drawn on the screen using a light = pen. The whole instrument was controlled by proprietary software allowing editing, looping, mixing of sounds as well as the ability to draw = soundwaves and sequence samples.=20 Kindest regards Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Future Music - October/1998 Date: 23 Nov 1998 10:23:39 -0500 I think you'll find that all the voices saying 'business', 'numbers', 'people','travel','entertainment' etc in Computer World ( the title = track ) are Speak and Spell. I also think it's true to say that KW didn't use = the Speak and Spell machine as often as people think, in fact I can't think = of another example ! (Sorry Ra, but I don't think you're correct about Home Computer). That said, I went back and listened to that again...as I don't own a = Speak And Spell, nor do I know anyone that does, I can't say for sure. = But those words, they DO sound quite "Kraftwerky", although the actual = quality of the voice is definately not up to KW standards...kind of = suprising that they would use it at all, but I can see why they didn't = use it more. "We do robot music Teenage protest noises Metronomic rhythyms Synthethiser voices Methadrine for movement Qaaludes for control But what were you expecting? What were you expecting? What were you expecting, rock and roll?" ---National Lampoon, 1979 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: (kw) Prices Date: 23 Nov 1998 15:01:45 +0100 Hi all, how much are worth following vinyls in US$, or UKĢ, orDM? 1) Pocket calculator(edit)/Dentaku(edit) - yellow vinyl - U.S.A. -(WBS49723) 2) The telephone call(remix edit)/Der telephone anruf -Dutch 7"- (EMI 1A-006 20.16377) 3) Tour de France(long version)/TdF(7")/TdF(2e Etape) UK 12" (EMI 12 EMI 5413)-1983 Mail me privately, Thank you very much. Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timon Marmex Trzepacz Subject: Re: (kw) Online Speech Synthesis Date: 23 Nov 1998 10:40:17 -0800 Greetings! SRRecords@aol.com wrote: > You know - this is the exact same thing - the Lucent speech synthesis - that > is and has been available for over a year (at least that I know if) on the > Bell Labs web page. . . . . Found it! http://www.bell-labs.com/project/tts/voices.html It looks like the exact same thing! Take care. -- Timon -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peder Livijn" Subject: (kw) Mellotron Date: 23 Nov 1998 03:03:08 PST <> -I thought that someone might be interested in knowing that the lead-melody in TEE, is played on a mellotron. Bye, Peder ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) samplers on computer world? Date: 23 Nov 1998 18:55:26 +0000 Eric.Schader@gambro.com wrote: > ? Was the fairlight available that early in the 80's? I thought it was > ? released in around 82-83 ish times, and yes, it was about Ģ60,000 to > ? buy, and came with a technician in some cases. Something to do with the > ? interface being 'non GUI' ;-) > ? > ? > I believe that you're thinking of the Fairlight CMI II, which was released > 1982. Actually the first Fairlight CMI was released in 1979. > Here's a little something about Fairlight if anyone's interested. What about Mellotron? I heard that it was used by Jarre and is some sort of analogue sampler. I also heard that only a few people were capable of actually using this stuff. And.. If samplers were not widely available at that time, what did Art of Noise use for their albums, like "who's afraid of" which was released in 1983? Sound quality on it is clearly better than 12khz mono :-), though there is some high-pitch noise in some tracks. Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) samplers on computer world? Date: 23 Nov 1998 18:53:10 -0000 I wrote some stuff about the Fairlight CMI then Jules wrote: >Was the fairlight available that early in the 80's? I thought it was >released in around 82-83 ish times, and yes, it was about 60,000 to >buy, and came with a technician in some cases. Something to do with the >interface being 'non GUI' ;-) > >Apparently, you can pick one up for about 5-6000 nowadays, that's if you >want a nice 12khz mono sampler, with no midi ;-) the first models started to come out about 78, 79. if you want similar low fi sampling with character, may i suggest the Casio SK-5 at about one thousandth of the price! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron Date: 23 Nov 1998 19:14:55 -0000 Peder Livijn wrote: >-I thought that someone might be interested in knowing that the >lead-melody in TEE, is played on a mellotron. > >Bye, Peder so, who hasn't read the FAQ then? ;-) sorry, you're wrong. it wasn't a Mellotron at all, it was played on a Vako Orchestron. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Karl Bartos Date: 23 Nov 1998 00:50:49 +0100 >"The reason we didn't make any records for years was that we had no >finanicial reason to. We became lazy perfectionists" >Karl Bartos, Select magazine, 1993. did he also talked about the source of this financial condition? it could not be all from music! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott_Coverley@fac.com Subject: (kw) Das Model Date: 23 Nov 1998 15:52:19 -0500 All the talk of the german versions has piqued my interest. Does anyone know of a site where I can download Das Model auf Deutsch? Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: RE: (kw) Robbie Williams / George Clinton / Blur ... Date: 23 Nov 1998 19:52:19 +0100 hi, you wrote to the list: > Long time ago someone wrote to this list: > >Quoted from the April issue of Muzik, page 12: > >"Mrs. Wood has completed a single for React as Woodwork. The hard dance > >doyenne is following it with a 'homage to Kraftwerk'... German > >electro/techno artist Anthony Rother, meanwhile, who runs the Kaar label= > , > >is reported to have remixed the Teutonic legends' 'Trans Europe > >Express'..." > > 2. Has Anthony Rother remixed TEE? > yes, he has. i've recently seen the video at german music channel viva but couldn't find a cds yet. has anyone a catalogue number? regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Kraftworld updated Date: 23 Nov 1998 23:31:51 -0200 I put three new KW pics from Rio de Janeiro at my page... Thanks to Eduardo Monteiro. Just click in the map at Rio or at Last Update. This is for brazilian fans: Se algum fan brasileiro que foi ao show quiser colocar seu relato um c=F3pias de fotos na minha p=E1gina, entre em contato comigo. Seria =F3ti= mo fazermos uma compila=E7=E3o de relatos e fotos dos shows do Rio e de Samp= a. Obrigado. peace Nicolau http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron Date: 23 Nov 1998 21:47:03 EST In a message dated 11/23/98 6:48:14 PM, you wrote: <<-I thought that someone might be interested in knowing that the lead-melody in TEE, is played on a mellotron. >> No - definately an Orchestron. As were the voices in "Radioactivity," "Showroom Dummies," "The Model," and "Europe Endless" and the strings in "Radioland" and "Franz Schubert" and possibly the flute in "Ohm Sweet Home." I have an Orchestron. I can "educatedly" say it's true simply by the sound - but also - another list member confirmed with the inventor of the Orchestron that Kraftwerk bought one before they were available to the public in about 1975. . . . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: (kw) Mellotron, Synclaiver etc . Date: 23 Nov 1998 18:57:09 -0800 (PST) I am very interested in learing more about the old samplers/instruments used by KW. Does anyone (Yes I read the FAQ) have further information or pictures on these Items? Cheers ! Eric Knight AKA= ericknig@sprynet.com Kraftwerk...... A way of life ! Powered By MACINTOSH! Think Different !! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron, Synclaiver etc . Date: 23 Nov 1998 23:12:27 EST In a message dated 11/24/98 2:59:06 AM, you wrote: <> There are numerous pictures of the Fairlight on the web. . .I don't exactly know what the URLs are but a search could provide. . . .the Synclavier as well. I could provide cheap pictures of the Fairlight and Synclavier taken from magazines/books to anyone and I could also provide a picture of my Orchestron to anyone who wants to see it. . . .it's double manual but probably not the exact same thing KW used (though the discs I have are the same ones. . . .) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) samplers on computer world? Date: 24 Nov 1998 00:59:28 +0100 Vladimir Ivaschenko wrote: > And.. If samplers were not widely available at that time, what did Art > of Noise > use for their albums, like "who's afraid of" which was released in 1983? > Sound > quality on it is clearly better than 12khz mono :-) What do you think Depeche Mode used for their 1983 song "Pipeline" ? Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: "Radio On" (was: Re: (kw) The Big Lebowsky) Date: 24 Nov 1998 14:52:39 +0100 (NFT) > the only film that actually credits Kraftwerk as a composer of the score > is called "Radio On". Certainly not the only film. "Moerderische Entscheidung" is another popular example. > i've never seen the film, but been told that there is no original music > written for the film by Kraftwerk, they just allowed Is there any indication that Kraftwerk were actually asked? AFAIK, such explicit permission from the artists is usually not required in this context. > a few of their songs to be used Just one song ("Ohm Sweet Ohm"). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: FW: (kw) Michael Rother / Phantom Band Date: 24 Nov 1998 14:54:36 +0100 (NFT) > > According to http://ftp.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~philkime/GEPR/ph.html, the > > Phantom Band was a "Collaboration between Jaki Liebezeit (Can) and=20 > > Michael Rother", but the All-Music Guide lists the Phantom Band > > line-up as Dominik Von Senger, Rosko Gee, Elek Gelba, Jaki Liebezeit, > > Helmut Zerlett. > > So is it true that Michael Rother was a member of the Phantom Band? > >=20 > > Helmut Zerlett? Isn=B4t that the guy from "Harald-Schmidt-Show" (in > > Germany)? Yep. :-) > Does he do serious music? At least he did. These albums appeared in 1980/1981. > What music style does the Phantom Band do? I haven't heard the records myself, but I believe that it is Jazz=20 or Jazz-Rock. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: (kw) Future Music - December 1998 Date: 24 Nov 1998 13:54:59 +0000 Page 17 of the latest Future music contains a diary of events on the US tour. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: (kw) Off Topic: Daniel Miller Date: 24 Nov 1998 13:56:01 +0000 The latest edition of Sound on Sound contains a special feature on Daniel Miller and Mute records, from 20 years to the present. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: (kw) Future Music - addendum Date: 24 Nov 1998 13:59:48 +0000 Also in Future Music (yes I'm reading this as I type) is the results of the all time electronic poll. Kraftwerk came #4 for Computer World, and came #1 overall in the artist ratings. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Albinati" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftworld updated Date: 31 Dec 1998 00:28:08 -0200 >This is for brazilian fans: >Se algum fan brasileiro que foi ao show quiser colocar seu relato um >c=F3pias de fotos na minha p=E1gina, entre em contato comigo. Seria =F3t= imo >fazermos uma compila=E7=E3o de relatos e fotos dos shows do Rio e de Sam= pa. >Obrigado. >peace >Nicolau >http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/ hi. I saw Kraftwerk live in S=E3o Paulo last month, and I'd be glad to wr= ite something to your page. I do not have pics (because of the security), but= I can write something. []s hell # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Azul y Negro Date: 24 Nov 1998 15:35:14 +0100 There is a 5-page interview with Carlos Garc=EDa Vaso (former Spanish ban= d Azul y Negro) in the November 98 (number 22) issue of the Spanish edition of the music-tech magazine "Future Music". Azul y Negro formed in 1981. In 1982 PolyGram proposed the candidature of the second single by the band, "Me estoy volviendo loco", = to the public open competition of TVE (Spanish Television) for the theme tun= e of the Vuelta ciclista a Espa=F1a (The Spanish cycling race equivalent to Tour de France race) summaries. Since then everybody unwittingly identifies the "Vuelta ciclista" with the Azul y Negro sound. The following year KW recorded a theme tune for the Tour de France commissioned by the organizers. Some Spanish magazines said that the German band had copied the idea of Azul y Negro. That year "Con los dedos de una mano" was chosen again. Azul y Negro were in addition the first Spanish band who recorded = a CD, "Suspense" (1984). More information: http://pymes.tsai.es/vasomusic. The magazine also contains a review of the Komputer album. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) Off Topic: Daniel Miller Date: 24 Nov 1998 14:53:36 -0000 Jules wrote: >The latest edition of Sound on Sound contains a special feature on >Daniel Miller and Mute records, from 20 years to the present. Does he talk about the 'The Normal', the 'Silicon Teens' and the work he did with William Bennet's 'Come' project? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) Orchestron Date: 23 Nov 1998 23:24:24 -0500 (EST) I could also provide a picture of my >Orchestron to anyone who wants to see it. . . .it's double manual but probably >not the exact same thing KW used (though the discs I have are the same ones. Orchestron? Is that anything like the Optigon (Optigan)? What are the differences, similarities? They both use disks with sounds that can be played forward and backward, right? i heard the Optigan was nearly immpossible to keep in tune with any other instrument because the tunning would just float randomly on the instrument? however it would stay in tune with itself just fine. anybody know anything about this? thanks, lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Future Music - addendum Date: 24 Nov 1998 17:20:53 +0000 Jose Corchado wrote: > > Could you post the results of the poll? At least the top five, or top ten, > depending on how fast you type :) > > Thanks > ok, results for 'electronic records' 1. Oxygene - JMJ (boo) 2. Leftism - Leftfield (not sure why) 3. MFTJG - Prodigy 4. Computer World - Kraftwerk 5. Blue Monday - New Order also:- 12 Man Machine 14 TEE 20 Autobahn and 23. Cars, Numan For the top electronic Artists:- 1. Kraftwerk 2. Prodigy 3. JMJ 4. DM 5. Orbital 6. Human League 7. Chem Bros 8. Numan (yay!) 9. Aphex Twin 10. Brian Eno Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Orchestron Date: 24 Nov 1998 13:36:32 EST In a message dated 11/24/98 5:02:59 PM, you wrote: <> Yes - it's pretty much the exact same thing - but more stable. The Orchestron technology was actually "borrowed" from an Optigon and made the sounds more stable and possibly clearer. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Not really Off Topic: Daniel Miller Date: 24 Nov 1998 16:37:23 -0100 At 2:53 pm +0000 24/11/98, Jon Alsbury wrote: >Jules wrote: >>The latest edition of Sound on Sound contains a special feature on >>Daniel Miller and Mute records, from 20 years to the present. > > > > Does he talk about the 'The Normal', the 'Silicon Teens' > and the work he did with William Bennet's 'Come' project? I wasn't aware he did anything with Bennet (I'd be interested in further info, Jon!). 'The Normal' is mentioned in passing, but AFAIR Silicon Teens are not (neither is his work with Dome etc). I must say it's quite a disappointing article, concentrating mainly on Miller's work with Depeche Mode. But there are some quite interesting photographs (of Miller's modular synths and the man himself, looking world-weary) and it's good to see him getting some of the recognition he deserves as boss of Mute Records. Kraftwerk is of course name-checked as a major influence on his music. KB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: "Radio On" (was: Re: (kw) The Big Lebowsky) Date: 24 Nov 1998 14:41:28 -0500 (EST) i've never seen the film, but been told that there is no original music >> written for the film by Kraftwerk, they just allowed > >Is there any indication that Kraftwerk were actually asked? AFAIK, such >explicit permission from the artists is usually not required in this >context. allow me to correct myself: no i have no evidence that the producers of "Radio On" came to Kling Klang, rang the door bell (if there is a door bell, that is, and please don't correct me if there isn't) and asked Ralf and/or Florian if they could use KW music in their film. However, as in any business, i would be willing to bet that there was a formal agreement (contract) of a sort between the two parties. Otherwise, there would have been a lawsuit, as in any other business. > > >> a few of their songs to be used > >Just one song ("Ohm Sweet Ohm"). as i said, i have not seen the film, or the credits to the film, i've only read about it on the internet. so i would have to surrender to your superior intelect (that is if you've seen the film) and have to agree with your above statement and take it as is, the truth. thank you for being the list's accuracy police. we all live and learn from our mistakes. lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: (kw) Tour de Breaks Date: 24 Nov 1998 15:01:41 -0500 (EST) Kraftwerk "Tour De Breaks" DMC 12" remix of Tour De France from 1989. can someone tell me how much this is worth? is this an official KW release or a bootleg remix? sorry, but this is all the info i have on it. please e-mail me personally, i can convert any currency. thanks, lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BILL Subject: (kw) The Enemy within Date: 24 Nov 1998 12:41:00 -0800 MONDAY NOVEMBER 23 1998 The enemy within The petty whining sniping which was demonstrated by liberal demoncrats left many shaking their heads. The chronic cry of "partisanship" emanating from Democrats reminded one of "the pot calling the kettle black." It was fascinating to note that whereas the majority seemed to focus on the facts and evidence offered by Judge Kenneth Starr, and unapologetic praise for the special prosecutor ... the minority vacillated between petulant, and just plain rude. Reasonable people can reasonably disagree. However, I never did hear the democrats, or their two lawyers, ever challenge the facts in evidence. If, as everyone claims, the objective is "fairness," or at least the illusion of objectivity, why the strident shrillness? Perhaps one of the answers is that 58 Democrats in Congress are members of a policy group that is working with, and being promoted by the Democratic Socialists of America, the domestic branch of the Socialist International Party. I checked out the web site of the Democratic Socialists and learned, "DSA is working with the Congressional Progressive Caucus, a network of more than 50 progressive members of the U.S. House of Representatives." Apparently they are working to affect a political agenda which includes (among a gaggle of gagging stuff) "economic redistribution" and "social and environmental justice." ... Arguably for anyone and anything OTHER than a democratic president who lies under oath, obstructs justice, and abuses power. Now you may say, "So what?" Dems have tried to socialize everything from schools to food for ages ... this is no doubt a mere left-wing fringe element in counterpoint to the right-wing extreme. Not hardly. According to the Democratic Socialists, the caucus they are heavily promoting includes among its membership significant liberal movers and shakers: Congressman John Conyers, ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee Congressman Henry Waxman, ranking member of the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee Congressman Lane Evans, top Democrat on the House Veterans Affairs Committee The Conservative News Service attempted to contact Conyers, Waxman and others but was unsuccessful. When they called the staff office of the caucus, the phone was answered by an aide to Congressman Bernard Sanders. Sanders is a self-proclaimed socialist and is listed as the chairman of the executive committee of the caucus. Slowly now, and read this twice ... an avowedly socialist congressional caucus is operating out of a congressional office which is staffed by a congressional aide and paid for with your tax dollars. Yes folks, YOU are paying for the rope with which it is intended you be hanged. Before you start dredging up pejorative adjectives to describe my paranoia, read the words from the Internet web site of the Democratic Socialists of America: "The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is the largest socialist organization in the United States, and the principal U.S. affiliate of the Socialist International (also in Francais and Espanol). DSA's members are building progressive movements for social change while establishing an openly socialist presence in American communities and politics. ..." Please note the phrase "openly socialist presence in American communities AND politics." They go on to write: "We invite you to support the campaign by adding your name to the list of signers of the Pledge for Economic Justice. In conjunction with the Campaign DSA is working with the Congressional Progressive Caucus, a network of more than 50 progressive members of the U.S. House of Representatives. ... "The Progressive Caucus of the U.S. House of Representatives is made up of 58 members of the House. The Caucus works to advance economic and social justice through sponsoring legislation that reflects its purpose. The Caucus also works with a coalition of organizations, called the Progressive Challenge, to bring new life to the progressive voice in U.S. politics."... and it is assumed, to undermine, abrogate and destroy the Constitution of the United States to which those 58 congressional members have sworn a sacred oath. Who are these socialist co-conspirators? You'll recognize many of them as the "usual suspects" as purveyors of petulance. Bernard Sanders from Vermont is the chairman, and Maxine Waters of California is on the Executive Committee. I'll include the full list at the end, but this should be a wake up call for all Americans, and all who still cherish freedom and liberty. Socialism comes in a wide variety of flavors ... all bad. Communism has jokingly been called "socialism in a hurry." Mussolini tried out fascism, a variation on the same theme. The Nationalist Socialist Workers Party was the Nazism effort. Now John Conyers, Barney Frank, Maxine Waters and their co-conspirators rabid to defend the indefensible are working to introduce and legitimize an American abomination ... The Democratic Socialists of America. I remember that once upon a time, you couldn't get in the military (in some cases, couldn't get a job) if you were a member of certain subversive organizations. Today however, membership in the right subversive group could qualify you for Congress and a leadership role. Here is the list (provided by The Democratic Socialists of America) of Socialists in Congress. You are strongly encouraged to call, fax, email, and raise hell ... while you are still allowed to do so. Membership: Rep Eni Faleomavaega, AL Rep Earl Hilliard, AL Rep Ed Pastor, AZ Rep Xavier Becerra, CA Rep George Brown, CA Rep Julian Dixon, CA Rep Bob Filner, CA Rep George Miller, CA Rep Nancy Pelosi, CA Rep Pete Stark, CA Rep Esteban Torres, CA Rep Maxine Waters, CA Rep Henry Waxman, CA Rep Lynn Woolsey, CA Rep Diane DeGette, CO Rep Eleanor Norton, DC Rep Corrien Brown, FL Rep Alcee Hastings, FL Rep Carrie Meek, FL Rep John Lewis, GA Rep Cynthia McKinney, GA Rep Neil Abercrombie, HI Rep Patsy Mink, HI Rep Danny Davis, IL Rep Lane Evans, IL Rep Luis Guiterrez, IL Rep Jesse Jackson, IL Rep Julia Carson, IN Rep Barney Frank, MA Rep Jim McGovern, MA Rep John Olver, MA Rep John Tierney, MA Rep David Bonior, MI Rep John Conyers, MI Rep Lynn Rivers, MI Rep Bernie Thompson, MS Rep Melvin Watts, NC Rep Donald Payne, NJ Rep Maurice Hinchey, NY Rep John LaFalace, NY Rep Jerold Nadler, NY Rep Major Owens, NY Rep Charles Rangel, NY Rep Jose Serrano, NY Rep Nydia Velazquez, NY Rep Sherrod Brown, OH Rep Marcy Kaptur, OH Rep Louis Stokes, OH Rep Peter DeFazio, OR Rep Elizabeth Furse, OR Rep William Coyne, PA Rep Chaka Fattah, PA Rep Carlos Romero-Barcelo, PR Rep Robert Scott, VA Rep Berard Sanders, VT Rep James McDermott, WA =A9 1998 Western Journalism Center http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_metcalf/19981123_xcgme_the_enemy_.sh= tml # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BILL Subject: (kw) APOLOGIES~~~~!!!! Date: 24 Nov 1998 12:42:43 -0800 For the previous email... I slipped up when I used a mailing list I was putting together.....!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: (kw) Orchestron Page Date: 24 Nov 1998 15:51:54 EST OK I've been spending all day whipping up a cheap little page for the Vako Orchestron as it relates to Kraftwerk. The pictures are not so good (taken from a camcorder) and the sound files were done with all the equipment I had - which is not much. They are .AIFF files - I don't even know if I can make .WAV files on this computer. . . . .I've tried the pages out a few times and they work from here - if they don't work from anywhere else, let me know (also let me know how to make them work). The sounds are literally me playing the Orchestron onto tape and then transferring it to my computer - it's not high quality. I played Kraftwerk "phrases" so that similarities in sound would be clearer. . . . .Here it is: http://members.aol.com/SRRecords/Vako.html Have fun. This is simply for KW related Orchestron items. . . .. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: (kw) KW on Alpha Syntauri? Date: 24 Nov 1998 16:17:01 -0500 (EST) hello, does anyone know if KW used an Alpha Syntauri and/or Soundchaser system(s). i've got both of those instruments and i don't know how to use them. they are Apple IIe based right? i know Herbie Hancock used the Syntauri, and he is quite an accomplished synthesist. i also have a TI-99/4A computer with a Speech Synthesizer. does anyone know if KW used that? can someone please tell me how it works? i've never used it either. please help me figure this stuff out. Thanks you all in advance, lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) Orchestron Date: 24 Nov 1998 21:27:24 +0000 SRRecords@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/24/98 5:02:59 PM, you wrote: > > ??Orchestron? Is that anything like the Optigon (Optigan)? What are the > differences, similarities? ?? > > Yes - it's pretty much the exact same thing - but more stable. The Orchestron > technology was actually "borrowed" from an Optigon and made the sounds more > stable and possibly clearer. So, whats the technology? Can you explain how it works (just the idea)? And I visited your Orchestron page, very nice of you to put it up, but I saw only two discs there. How many types of those discs (with different "samples") were actually available? Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Re: "Radio On" Date: 25 Nov 1998 00:09:16 +0000 > >Is there any indication that Kraftwerk were actually asked? AFAIK, such > >explicit permission from the artists is usually not required in this > >context. > > allow me to correct myself: no i have no evidence that the producers of > "Radio On" came to Kling Klang, rang the door bell (if there is a door bell, > that is, and please don't correct me if there isn't) and asked Ralf and/or > Florian if they could use KW music in their film. However, as in any > business, i would be willing to bet that there was a formal agreement > (contract) of a sort between the two parties. Unlikely. A specific contract for any specific use of published music is not required, a general permission is sufficient (and common practice in this business, AFAIK). > so i would have to surrender to your superior intelect It's not a matter of intellect, I've just checked the film credits. . Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Colatina Radio Som Ltda <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) TRIBAL GATHERING concert CD-R Date: 25 Nov 1998 08:39:08 -0200 Hi, again. I have ten copies of the Tribal Gathering concert (CD-R) (Bônus: pics of the brazilian shows ` 98 tour !!!) I accept swap by others artists: TANGERINE DREAM - Cyclone, Logos, Ricochet etc. GARY NUMAN - tell me your list JEAN MICHEL JARRE - tell me your list The Tribal Gathering is the great concert, including Numbers, CW, Radio-activity, TEE ... Eduardo Monteiro # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) Virtu Ex Machina Boot Date: 25 Nov 1998 11:45:02 +0100 (CET) Any info on this item would be welcome (track listing, sound quality, etc.) You may reply privately if you want. Regards, # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fischer, Hans-Peter" Subject: FW: (kw) RE: Domorigato Date: 25 Nov 1998 12:15:14 +0100 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ctzero@aol.com [SMTP:Ctzero@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 22, 1998 23:17 > To: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (kw) RE: Domorigato > > > William Dobiesz wrote: > > < > What exactly does this mean?>> > > Are you referring to "Double Arigato, Mr. Roboto", by the group Styx? > > I guess it should be written like "Domo arigato", as "Domo" is "Thanks" in japanese, and "Domo arigato" means "Thank you very much". Not sure about the correct spelling though... Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Karl Bartos vs. Komputer Date: 25 Nov 1998 14:23:45 +0100 (NFT) The December issue of the German magazine Orkus features an article "Karl Bartos vs. Komputer", a transcription of a discussion between Karl Bartos and Komputer, held on the occasion of Komputer's recent concert in Hamburg. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: "Radio On" (was: Re: (kw) The Big Lebowsky) Date: 25 Nov 1998 14:26:52 +0100 > > the only film that actually credits Kraftwerk as a composer of the > > score is called "Radio On". Back in the late 70's (exactly 1979), the music included on "Radioactivity" LP was used in a film called Radio On by the German director Christopher Petit. >Just one song ("Ohm Sweet Ohm"). (Thanks Klaus.) The first images of these road movie are accompany by "Heroes" singing in German and English by David Bowie. This picture was released on video on 20th September 1993. > Certainly not the only film. "Moerderische Entscheidung" is another > popular example. Shall you please tell me more details about this film? - "Das Stahltier" (movie by Willy Zielke, used for the "TEE" live video) - "Reichsautobahn" (TV documentary with film excerpts used for the "Autobahn" video) I thought KRAFTWERK make the soundtrack of two more pictures: Berlin Alexanderplatz and Chinese Roulette by the German direktor R.W. Fassbinde= r. > > i've never seen the film, but been told that there is no original mus= ic > > written for the film by Kraftwerk, they just allowed >=20 > Is there any indication that Kraftwerk were actually asked? AFAIK, such > explicit permission from the artists is usually not required in this > context. Really? On an almost completely unrelated note: Quoted from the Aktivitaet issue: "According to the Man, Machine and Musi= c book "Musique Non Stop / Technopop" video by Rebecca Allen was completed = by October 1984 awaiting only the final editing. There was then quite a gap, as "Musique Non Stop" was not released until October 1986." What kind of technology used Allen in this clip that it not seems out-of-dated at all. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) RE: "Radio On" Date: 25 Nov 1998 16:39:07 +0100 (NFT) > > Certainly not the only film. "Moerderische Entscheidung" is another > > popular example. > > Shall you please tell me more details about this film? It's a German crime thriller, AFAIR from 1989 or 1990. It used "Trans Europa Express" for the soundtrack. > - "Das Stahltier" (movie by Willy Zielke, used for the "TEE" live > video) > - "Reichsautobahn" (TV documentary with film excerpts used for the > "Autobahn" video) Could you please ask for permission before forwarding excerpts from private messages to the mailing list? Thanks. > I thought KRAFTWERK make the soundtrack of two more pictures: Berlin > Alexanderplatz and Chinese Roulette by the German direktor R.W. Fassbinder. No, they didn't really make the soundtrack. These films simply used a few Kraftwerk tunes, in the same way as "Radio On" did, that's all. > > > i've never seen the film, but been told that there is no original music > > > written for the film by Kraftwerk, they just allowed > > > > Is there any indication that Kraftwerk were actually asked? AFAIK, such > > explicit permission from the artists is usually not required in this > > context. > > Really? Yes. In Germany, such things are handled by the GEMA. When a movie uses a GEMA-protected tune, it has to be reported to the GEMA, who collects a fee in the name of the artist. An explicit permission from the artist is usually not required, his contract with the GEMA is sufficient. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoTone@aol.com Subject: (kw) New lister and boots question Date: 25 Nov 1998 12:40:38 EST Greetings- My name is Jon, a very recent addition to this list. I've been a Kraftwerk fan for some time now. Still have not seen them live- The Mix tour show was cancelled here in DC and despite the fact that I had tickets to the NY concert this past summer I ended up not going. School has a way of killing the joy of life. I formerly played keyboards in a band- for all you synth heads out there I have/had- Prophet 5, Matrix 6 & 1000, Korg DW 8000, Cheetah rack, Juno 60, M-1, LinnDrum, and occasionally use my friends Arp Odyssey. I did have a question as to Kraftwerk boots- I found a place selling the 'Tocatta' CD, but after seeing the contents of "Werke" and "Die Klassik Werks Vol 1", I would much rather get copies of those. Anybody know where these can be ordered? Please feel free to e-mail me off-list. Thanks Jon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) Re: "Radio On" Date: 25 Nov 1998 05:51:53 -0500 (EST) Klaus Zaepke Unlikely. A specific contract for any specific use of published >music is not required, a general permission is sufficient (and common >practice in this business, AFAIK). i never mentioned a specific contract between KW and the film "Radio On". i said a formal agreement. an agreement can be made in many ways, and i am sure there are standard business practices which make this sort of thing a routine formality, however, speaking from experience (i've made a film or two) i had to clear copyrights for all music that i wanted to include in my film. now since i didn't release it commercially, just a showing at a local film showcase, i did not actually clear copyrights for any of the songs (i wrote/recorded original music), but if i would have started distributing my film on video and making profit, with someone else's music in it, i'd have ASCAP, BMI, SESAC and/or record company lawyers banging down my door with a lawsuit as soon as they would get wind of this. i can't find the exact passage in the text right now, but U.S. Copyright Laws would back me up on this (not that i agree with the law). now, perhaps laws in Europe are somewhat different, but i'd bet that business practices are standard everywhere. > > >> so i would have to surrender to your superior intelect > >It's not a matter of intellect, I've just checked the film credits. >. > Klaus Zaepke don't be so modest, if you go back in time and show fire to cavemen they'd think you have a superior intelect as well, but it's just stupid fire to us. so how is the film then, is it worth renting? by the way, here in Ohio (US) we don't get much Kraftwerk anything, so it's a real treat for us to find out any new detail or even a rumour about anything Kraftwerk. i've lived in Minsk (Russia), Vienna (Austria), and Rome (Italy), but ended up in Ohio, the anti-Kraftwerk shithole of the Universe. more people listen Southern Rock here than there are people in the South US. so please don't be too hard on us if we carelessly make a superficial error in all this excitment of conversation with those who live in the civilized world. but i am not as disconnected as one could be led to believe. i get my KW info through my connection with Ritchie Hawtin (Plastikman), who when in Europe hangs with the boys every now and then, and often enough get's me the inside scoop as to what's going on. and i'll be sure to pass on any really important data, with no errors, nor rumours to everyone here. and please don't ask me if i have proof that Ritchie, Ralf, and Florian go clubbin' together becasue i don't need that proof, and neither do you nor anyone else for that matter. thank you, lenny g p.s. i'm not bitter, Ohio really does suck donkey balls! i can't get out of here! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo Cassolatto" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Interview in Brazil Magazine Date: 25 Nov 1998 04:30:16 PST Hi !! In this month was publicated in a major musica magazine from Brazil, called "SHOW BIZZ" an interview with Ralph Hutter, and he sad, that Brasilia, our Federal Capital, is a "Kraftwerk City" and on next year the plans is make a new tour around the world, including Sao Paulo/Rio/Brasilia !!! Great, and a new LP will be release on begin of the 1999, with "great surprises" .. they are wonderful !! Kraftwerk Rules !! If somebody wish a copy of the interview please ask me, in the magazine ha a photo very close of the show !! With 4 kids playng and the interview was intitled " The Emotional Robots " or " Robos Emocionantes " in portuguese !! |>------------------------------<| |>-- The Sintetik Way Of Life --<|>--------------------< |>------------------------------<|> Ricardo Cassolatto < |>--< sintetik@hotmail.com >--<|> SAO PAULO - BRAZIL < |>------------------------------<|>--------------------< |>-----< Musik Non Stop >-------<| |>------------------------------<| ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Re: "Radio On" Date: 25 Nov 1998 19:02:47 -0000 er,you spelt "intellect" wrong. chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Re: "Radio On" Date: 25 Nov 1998 20:07:01 +0100 (NFT) > >Unlikely. A specific contract for any specific use of published=20 > >music is not required, a general permission is sufficient (and common=20 > >practice in this business, AFAIK). >=20 > i never mentioned a specific contract between KW and the film "Radio On= ". i > said a formal agreement. There doesn't have to be a formal agreement between the artist and the film producers. According to the GEMA statutes, the artist may veto the use of his music under certain circumstances, but generally he doesn't need to agree to it. > now, perhaps laws in Europe are=B4somewhat different, but i'd bet that > business practices are standard everywhere. Sure, royalties have to be paid. It's just that there is no need for a permittance from the artist. > so please don't be too hard on us If you post dubious facts to a mailing list, don't be surprised that people ask you to back them up. > i don't need that proof, and neither do you nor anyone else for that > matter. How do you know what other people need? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick Hodgkins" Subject: (kw) DO THEY KNOW IT'S CHRISTMAS?!!! Date: 25 Nov 1998 21:59:24 +0300 Not the right place to look perhaps, but a lot of you guys know where the MP3s are at: Need an Mpeg of this tune (the Christmas thing with various stars (1981-ish) for Ethiopia), WITHOUT the lyrics for a track which will be on CNN taking the piss out of the US for sending grain to Russia. Russia has more grain than the USA, the USA wants to help its farmers without subsidies, Russia is only accepting so that some corrupt officials make millions, and the whole thing stinks of rotten hypocrisy and state crimes and a potential international scandal. You and this list will be quoted as the source on CNN and on the credits for the planned video and CD's. Need it yesterday. Recording Friday. Cheers, Nick / EOE Moscow PS Sorry for off topicness PPS We're doing this for fun, not money # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick Hodgkins" Subject: (kw) DO THEY KNOW IT'S CHRISTMAS?!!! Date: 25 Nov 1998 22:57:05 +0300 It was an early '80's UK Christmas No.1, for charity (Ethiopia's starving) with various artists inc. Bono, Boy George, George Michael, Sting, Duran Duran.....) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: RE: (kw) "Radio On" Date: 25 Nov 1998 14:37:16 -0500 (EST) er,you spelt "intellect" wrong. >chris why, thank you kindly, for pointing out that terrible error to me. i will do everything in my power to remedy the situation. you see, english is my second language, it is a weakness, i know, but it is one of many, and one of least importance to me. i hope that doesn't take the flame out of correcting spelling in other peoples letters. lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: (kw) i'd like to sell an argument, please. Date: 25 Nov 1998 16:19:54 -0500 (EST) Dear Mr. Zaepke, i have the utmost respect for you, but with all due respect, are we arguing for the same point. and to prove that i am including the entire text of our conversation on the subject of "Radio On" where i do not once claim that Kraftwerk and the Producers of "Radio On" actually met and negotiated a contract for the use of "Ohm Sweet Ohm". i claimed however that a song or a number of songs (i did not know the specific title of the song actually used in the film at the time) were used in the film with Kraftwerk receiving composer credit in the credits of the film. i never implied or stated that there was an official, specific agreement, contract, or any otherwise transaction of any similar sort between the band (Kraftwerk) and the producers of the film "Radio On". however, once the conversation/argument errupted i did claim and still do, that a formal process (whether it's a contract or the process you described involving GEMA) is required by standard business practices and in most cases by law for a published piece of music to be used in a film. never once did i claim though, that process in anyway involve the band (Kraftwerk) themselves nor did i claim that a specific aggreement for the use of (specifically) "Ohm Sweet Ohm", in (specifically) "Radio On" is actually required or was made between the band (Kraftwerk) and the Producers of "Radio On". i think we have been conversing on a subject with no point and no resolution. it seems that we both agree that the producers of "Radio On" were required to gain permission to use the song "Ohm Sweet Ohm" in their film (just like with any other song) and though the exact terms of that permission may be different from country to country, the premise behind the purpose of organisations like ASCAP, BMI, SESAC, GEMA, and many others is identical in nature and that Kraftwerk is not an exception to the rule and still has to deal with these organisations for copyright clearences and royalty collections. i hope we can resolve this without any further argument on this meaningless topic. i'd hope that you would not take segments of my statement out of context and ask me to prove their validity. i am willing to back up everything here in the form i wrote it, not your snipets of phrases which you so carefully chose to stomp me on and prove me wrong. let's call this one quits and have a trully intellectually stimulating conversation. thank you and good day, lenny g the entire text of our conversation follows: alcoi@chusuk.arrakis.es wrote: Have somebody seen the film The Big Lebowsky ? It is full of ideas taken from Kraftwerk. Does anybody know if Ralf Hutter have something to do with the film Cold Fever ? the only film that actually credits Kraftwerk as a composer of the score is called "Radio On". A 1980 British murder mystery, about a radio DJ. i've never seen the film, but been told that there is no original music written for the film by Kraftwerk, they just allowed a few of their songs to be used because of the DJ premise in the film. There are however other films (Breakin/Dreak Dance) that used Kraftwerk music, but KW were not really credited as composer. That's all I know for now. lenny g oh, once again, big lebawsky has a parody/spoof of KW in the film, a german washed up seventies, techno-pop band called Autobahn, but nothing to do with KW. it's just funny. the only film that actually credits Kraftwerk as a composer of the score is called "Radio On". Certainly not the only film. "Moerderische Entscheidung" is another popular example. i've never seen the film, but been told that there is no original music written for the film by Kraftwerk, they just allowed Is there any indication that Kraftwerk were actually asked? AFAIK, such explicit permission from the artists is usually not required in this context. a few of their songs to be used Just one song ("Ohm Sweet Ohm"). Klaus Zaepke i've never seen the film, but been told that there is no original music written for the film by Kraftwerk, they just allowed Is there any indication that Kraftwerk were actually asked? AFAIK, such explicit permission from the artists is usually not required in this context. allow me to correct myself: no i have no evidence that the producers of "Radio On" came to Kling Klang, rang the door bell (if there is a door bell, that is, and please don't correct me if there isn't) and asked Ralf and/or Florian if they could use KW music in their film. However, as in any business, i would be willing to bet that there was a formal agreement (contract) of a sort between the two parties. Otherwise, there would have been a lawsuit, as in any other business. a few of their songs to be used Just one song ("Ohm Sweet Ohm"). as i said, i have not seen the film, or the credits to the film, i've only read about it on the internet. so i would have to surrender to your superior intelect (that is if you've seen the film) and have to agree with your above statement and take it as is, the truth. thank you for being the list's accuracy police. we all live and learn from our mistakes. lenny g Is there any indication that Kraftwerk were actually asked? AFAIK, such explicit permission from the artists is usually not required in this context. allow me to correct myself: no i have no evidence that the producers of "Radio On" came to Kling Klang, rang the door bell (if there is a door bell, that is, and please don't correct me if there isn't) and asked Ralf and/or Florian if they could use KW music in their film. However, as in any business, i would be willing to bet that there was a formal agreement (contract) of a sort between the two parties. Unlikely. A specific contract for any specific use of published music is not required, a general permission is sufficient (and common practice in this business, AFAIK). so i would have to surrender to your superior intelect It's not a matter of intellect, I've just checked the film credits. Klaus Zaepke i've never seen the film, but been told that there is no original music written for the film by Kraftwerk, they just allowed Is there any indication that Kraftwerk were actually asked? AFAIK, such explicit permission from the artists is usually not required in this context. Really? Yes. In Germany, such things are handled by the GEMA. When a movie uses a GEMA-protected tune, it has to be reported to the GEMA, who collects a fee in the name of the artist. An explicit permission from the artist is usually not required, his contract with the GEMA is sufficient. Klaus Zaepke Klaus Zaepke Unlikely. A specific contract for any specific use of published music is not required, a general permission is sufficient (and common practice in this business, AFAIK). I never mentioned a specific contract between KW and the film "Radio On". I said a formal agreement. an agreement can be made in many ways, and i am sure there are standard business practices which make this sort of thing a routine formality, however, speaking from experience (i've made a film or two) i had to clear copyrights for all music that i wanted to include in my film. now since i didn't release it commercially, just a showing at a local film showcase, i did not actually clear copyrights for any of the songs (I wrote/recorded original music), but if i would have started distributing my film on video and making profit, with someone else's music in it, i'd have ASCAP, BMI, SESAC and/or record company lawyers banging down my door with a lawsuit as soon as they would get wind of this. i can't find the exact passage in the text right now, but U.S. Copyright Laws would back me up on this (not that i agree with the law). now, perhaps laws in Europe are somewhat different, but i'd bet that business practices are standard everywhere. so i would have to surrender to your superior intelect It's not a matter of intellect, I've just checked the film credits. Klaus Zaepke don't be so modest, if you go back in time and show fire to cavemen they'd think you have a superior intelect as well, but it's just stupid fire to us. so how is the film then, is it worth renting? by the way, here in Ohio (US) we don't get much Kraftwerk anything, so it's a real treat for us to find out any new detail or even a rumour about anything Kraftwerk. i've lived in Minsk (Russia), Vienna (Austria), and Rome (Italy), but ended up in Ohio, the anti-Kraftwerk shithole of the Universe. more people listen Southern Rock here than there are people in the South US. so please don't be too hard on us if we carelessly make a superficial error in all this excitment of conversation with those who live in the civilized world. but i am not as disconnected as one could be led to believe. i get my KW info through my connection with Ritchie Hawtin (Plastikman), who when in Europe hangs with the boys every now and then, and often enough get's me the inside scoop as to what's going on. and i'll be sure to pass on any really important data, with no errors, nor rumours to everyone here. and please don't ask me if I have proof that Ritchie, Ralf, and Florian go clubbin' together becasue i don't need that proof, and neither do you nor anyone else for that matter. thank you, lenny g p.s. i'm not bitter, Ohio really does suck donkey balls! i can't get out of here! Unlikely. A specific contract for any specific use of published music is not required, a general permission is sufficient (and common practice in this business, AFAIK). I never mentioned a specific contract between KW and the film "Radio On". I said a formal agreement. There doesn't have to be a formal agreement between the artist and the film producers. According to the GEMA statutes, the artist may veto the use of his music under certain circumstances, but generally he doesn't need to agree to it. Unlikely. A specific contract for any specific use of published music is not required, a general permission is sufficient (and common practice in this business, AFAIK). I never mentioned a specific contract between KW and the film "Radio On". I said a formal agreement. There doesn't have to be a formal agreement between the artist and the film producers. According to the GEMA statutes, the artist may veto the use of his music under certain circumstances, but generally he doesn't need to agree to it. How do you know what other people need? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: "Radio On" (was: Re: (kw) i'd like to sell an argument, please.) Date: 26 Nov 1998 01:47:37 +0000 > i never implied or stated that there was an official, specific agreement, contract, > or any otherwise transaction of any similar sort between the band (Kraftwerk) and > the producers of the film "Radio On". Well, you wrote: "they just allowed a few of their songs to be used because of the DJ premise in the film". And I fail to see any evidence for this theory. > it seems that we both agree that the producers of "Radio On" were required to gain > permission to use the song "Ohm Sweet Ohm" in their film GEMA songs are usually available to everybody without explicit permission, as far as I know. BTW: "Trim down quotations from postings you are responding to." (Quoted from the intro message for this mailing list.) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) 6 new KW MP3's Date: 26 Nov 1998 06:11:05 +0100 (CET) http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald/audio/mp3.htm remember, they change every week... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: "Radio On" (was: Re: (kw) i'd like to sell an argument, please.) Date: 25 Nov 1998 22:46:00 -0500 (EST) Well, you wrote: > "they just allowed a few of their songs to be used because of > the DJ premise in the film". >And I fail to see any evidence for this theory. for the last time, regardless of the kind of permission (specific or implied) the reason KW deal with GEMA is to have GEMA handle KW's copyrights and royalties, am i right. now, that condition alone means that GEMA is the permission granting body (whether implied or specific) as the entity regulating copyrights and royalties for the use of KW songs, anong other material. So since all songs under the GEMA umbrella are available to anybody that automatically means that KW have granted permission to licence their material to others through GEMA. is that not correct? now, if you want to nit pick my grammer and sentence structure go ahead, i don't care. i had no intention of claiming that KW personally allowed the producers of the Film "Radio On" to use "Ohm Sweet Ohm" in the film. and if that statement confused you, i apologize. but in the future don't make this a claim/proof issue. if you want to correct my language that's fine, i'll take criticism, but do not take my words out of context and ask me to prove the validity of a fragment of my statement. you know, this is how wars get started, when people misunderstand each other. > >> it seems that we both agree that the producers of "Radio On" were required to gain >> permission to use the song "Ohm Sweet Ohm" in their film > >GEMA songs are usually available to everybody without explicit >permission, as far as I know. if you would not have taken this out of context again, you would have known that i was not aware of the specific business practices and or laws governing copyrights, royalties, and licencing in Germany, however i am aware of how they operate in US and generally in the world. so since an organisation such as GEMA exists, that in itself implies that they are the permission granters and they grant that permission any way they choose. if that means that all songs are openly available to anyone, than that is also a permission granted by GEMA to everyone and every one individual specifically. however, this is a theoretical discussion now because i do not know GEMA policies and procedures and can not and will not discuss them, until i learn more about them so that i can make educated statements. thank you lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Re: "Radio On" Date: 26 Nov 1998 11:47:54 +0100 (NFT) > > "they just allowed a few of their songs to be used because of > > the DJ premise in the film". > > And I fail to see any evidence for this theory. > > for the last time, regardless of the kind of permission (specific or > implied) the reason KW deal with GEMA is to have GEMA handle KW's > copyrights and royalties, am i right. Just the royalties, not the copyrights, as far as I know. > now, that condition alone means that GEMA is the permission granting > body (whether implied or specific) as the entity regulating copyrights and royalties for the > use of KW songs, anong other material. Possibly, but not necessarily. According to paragraph 11 II UrhWG (BGBl. 1965 I, p. 1294), a permission is not necessary if the royalties are paid. This is a law, not a contract. > but in the future don't make this a claim/proof issue. If you post dubious statements to a mailing list, don't be surprised if people ask you to back them up. > so since an organisation such as GEMA exists, that in itself implies > that they are the permission granters and they grant that permission any > way they choose. Instead of making adventurous implications, please check the relevant rules, especially paragraph 11 UrhWG, which proves the opposite. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Weckert Subject: Re: (kw) i'd like to sell an argument, please. Date: 26 Nov 1998 13:51:52 +0100 There is no difference whether you talk to the carpet on the floor or to Klaus Zaepke. If you want to argue, why can't you do this in private? These "can you confirm this" and "can you give proof" discussions are boring, and they are not an enrichment for this mailing list. Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) i'd like to sell an argument, please. Date: 26 Nov 1998 13:04:51 +0000 Thomas Weckert wrote: > There is no difference whether you talk to the carpet on the floor or to Klaus > Zaepke. > If you want to argue, why can't you do this in private? These "can you confirm this" Yeah, arguing with Klaus Zaepke is useless. He is always right :-) Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Smady Menko Subject: Re: (kw) i'd like to sell an argument, please. Date: 26 Nov 1998 05:23:01 -0800 (PST) ---Thomas Weckert wrote: > There is no difference whether you talk to the carpet on the floor or to Klaus > Zaepke. > If you want to argue, why can't you do this in private? These "can you confirm this" > > and "can you give proof" discussions are boring, and they are not an enrichment for > this mailing list. > I disagree. What kind of list do You want? A list of rumors and dubious statements or a list where we try to base our information on facts or make it clear that what we're stating is not a fact but an opinion? At least that is what I prefer. Obviously Klaus is interested in facs and if a person stating something can't supply facts with his/hers statement but starts arguing instead, then who is the carpet on the floor. I agree however that this "discussion" has gone past this and should be continued of the list. Kindest regards Smady _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) I'd like to sell an argument, please. Date: 26 Nov 1998 14:53:03 +0100 >There is no difference whether you talk to the carpet on the floor or to Klaus Zaepke. Well, there's at least one difference - you can expect lots of facts about KW from Klaus. Personally, I've never experienced that with a carpet! ;}> /Joakim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Bryant Subject: (kw) Off topic, just an observation. Date: 26 Nov 1998 13:59:15 +0000 There seems to be some strange people on this list..... Heavily armed Americans hiding in the Montana desert e.t.c. Bill's friends might not like his record collection, especially if Man Machine is included, ooh, that Cover Photo! Oh well, vive la difference. Paul ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION ** This message is intended only for the use of the person(s) ("the Intended Recipient") to whom it is addressed. It may contain information which is privileged and confidential within the meaning of applicable law. Accordingly any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message or any of its contents by any person other than the Intended Recipient may constitute a breach of civil or criminal law and is strictly prohibited. If you are not the Intended Recipient please contact the sender and dispose of this email as soon as possible. If in doubt contact the Tibbett & Britten Group Network Administration Department on 01707 391010 (UK). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Silver Apples Date: 26 Nov 1998 11:28:32 +0100 Apparently Silver Apples took their band name from "Silver Apples of the Moon" the title of a song by Morton Subotnick, a pioneer of the concrete music. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Mellotron Date: 26 Nov 1998 15:19:27 +0100 > < not as > we know them today. > Hope I haven't bored you. > Thomas.>> The Mellotron was made under the name of Streetly Electronics in the Midlands, specifically by a trio of brothers called Bradley. The Mellotro= ns really used magnetic tape recorded by "true" instrumentalist that played "true" instruments too. The first Mellotron appears in 1962, and the Mark II (mo= st popular) in 1964. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Tour de Breaks Date: 26 Nov 1998 10:01:47 +0100 47 <47@radiolink.net> wrote: > Kraftwerk "Tour De Breaks" DMC 12" remix of Tour De France from 1989. >=20 > can someone tell me how much this is worth? is this an official KW release > or a bootleg remix? sorry, but this is all the info i have on it.=20 please > e-mail me personally, i can convert any currency. Could someone post the info about it to the list? I would like to know th= at too. TIA. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: RE: (kw) I'd like to sell an argument, please. Date: 26 Nov 1998 15:23:53 +0100 >There is no difference whether you talk to the carpet on the floor or to >Klaus Zaepke=2E >Well, there's at least one difference - you can expect lots of facts about >KW from Klaus=2E Personally, I've never experienced that with a carpet! ;}= > Couldn't agree more, Klaus, keep up the good work=2E Remember JBV - he was a REAL pain in the a** sometimes, but also a good sou= rce=20 of information, don't let us lose more of these people! And all statements on this list should be facts and not speculations=2E Regards/Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) Not really Off Topic: Daniel Miller Date: 26 Nov 1998 14:07:19 -0000 OK, re Bennett and Miller the story goes like this: in early '79 WB was looking for a suitable studio to record the first Come single (Come Sunday / Shaved Slits) -- WB was aquatinted with Daniel Miller (the London industrial scene was quite small in those days), and DM recommended IPS Studio on Goldhawk Road (he'd recorded the Silicon Teens album there). The A&R people from Virgin asked if they could hear 'Come Sunday' soon after: they were appalled! However this lead to an invitation from Siouxie and the Banshees to audition as their new guitarist (the post was later filled by Robert Smith then on hiatus from the Cure). WB went back to IPS to record more material for the Come album 'Rampton' and Daniel Miller did sequencer programming for several of these tracks. so there you go :-) >>>The latest edition of Sound on Sound contains a special feature on >>>Daniel Miller and Mute records, from 20 years to the present. >> Does he talk about the 'The Normal', the 'Silicon Teens' >> and the work he did with William Bennet's 'Come' project? >I wasn't aware he did anything with Bennet (I'd be interested in further >info, Jon!). 'The Normal' is mentioned in passing, but AFAIR Silicon Teens >are not (neither is his work with Dome etc). I must say it's quite a >disappointing article, concentrating mainly on Miller's work with Depeche >Mode. But there are some quite interesting photographs (of Miller's modular >synths and the man himself, looking world-weary) and it's good to see him >getting some of the recognition he deserves as boss of Mute Records. >Kraftwerk is of course name-checked as a major influence on his music. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nitrous@home.com Subject: Re: (kw) Tour de Breaks Date: 26 Nov 1998 09:53:34 -0500 Hiya, This link is very helpful and easy to use. http://www.xe.net/currency/ Nitrous. > > Could someone post the info about it to the list? I would like to know that > too. TIA. > > DER AUTOMAT Ū # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Bryant Subject: (kw) Latest Digest (237) Date: 26 Nov 1998 15:49:14 +0000 Hello There! Today the KW digests 236 & 237 arrived in my in box. 236 seemed to be full of the rantings of a disturbed US "patriot", McCarthyism isn't dead, intolerance lives on in "The land of the free". 237 was almost entirely Klaus & Lenny G spitting abuse at each other. When these sort of arguments get started, they are very difficult to stop. I think that perhaps the list isn't the place for these endless quibblings about nuances of language. Guys, sort out your differences privately and if at the end there's something worthwhile, post it. A discussion moved from films featuring Kraftwerk to the subtle differences between national copyright laws. (Either that or get Der Automat involved for 3 digests a day!) Enough. I'm going away on holiday for a while shortly, no doubt my grammar and spelling will ruthlessly slaughtered and I'll get my "just desserts" when I return. Paul ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION ** This message is intended only for the use of the person(s) ("the Intended Recipient") to whom it is addressed. It may contain information which is privileged and confidential within the meaning of applicable law. Accordingly any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message or any of its contents by any person other than the Intended Recipient may constitute a breach of civil or criminal law and is strictly prohibited. If you are not the Intended Recipient please contact the sender and dispose of this email as soon as possible. If in doubt contact the Tibbett & Britten Group Network Administration Department on 01707 391010 (UK). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Happy holidays Date: 26 Nov 1998 02:50:48 -0500 Happy Turkey Day, everyone, and a happy holiday season to all. Peace. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Happy holidays Date: 26 Nov 1998 11:23:09 EST In a message dated 26/11/98 16:22:20 GMT, you write: << Happy Turkey Day, everyone, and a happy holiday season to all. Peace. >> Are you turkish ? what is turkey day ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) i'd like to sell an argument, please. Date: 26 Nov 1998 10:33:51 -0700 (MST) On Thu, 26 Nov 1998, Thomas Weckert wrote: > There is no difference whether you talk to the carpet on the floor or to Klaus > Zaepke. > If you want to argue, why can't you do this in private? These "can you confirm this" > and "can you give proof" discussions are boring, and they are not an enrichment for > this mailing list. Spreading wild rumors without supporting evidence is hardly "enriching to the list" either. I fully support the quest for Truth. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: RE: (kw) I'd like to sell an argument, please. Date: 26 Nov 1998 10:37:35 -0700 (MST) On Thu, 26 Nov 1998 johan.andersson@allers.aller.se wrote: > Remember JBV - he was a REAL pain in the a** sometimes, but also a good source > of information, don't let us lose more of these people! JBV was just a little touchy, that's all. > And all statements on this list should be facts and not speculations. I would amend that to facts with supporting evidence and opinions and speculations that are clearly opinions and speculations. Don't try to pass off either as fact. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Happy holidays Date: 26 Nov 1998 18:04:52 +0000 MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 26/11/98 16:22:20 GMT, you write: > > << Happy Turkey Day, everyone, and a happy holiday season to all. Peace. >> > > Are you turkish ? what is turkey day ? Greetings from Bangkok! It's the day when the sacred doner kebab is slaughtered to an audience of pissed up footie fans. hmm, seems like every friday night is 'turkey day' ;-) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) (OT) Accuracy Date: 26 Nov 1998 19:02:06 GMT Der Automat wrote: >Apparently Silver Apples took their band name from "Silver Apples of the >Moon" the title of a song by Morton Subotnick, a pioneer of the concrete >music. Or maybe they took it direct from the W. B. Yeats poem? I see that the folk group Ceoltoiri released an album with this title, and I doubt if Subotnick influenced them much... but who knows. (BTW I presume you mean "musique concrete"; correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think Subotnick was much concerned with that field?). Here we go again: >The Mellotrons really used magnetic tape recorded by "true" >instrumentalist that played "true" instruments too." Hmm, if you can't digest information, at least try not to vomit it up. Paul Bryant wrote: >A discussion moved from films featuring >Kraftwerk to the subtle differences between national copyright laws. Paul, you have a 17-line sig about what to do if your email falls into the wrong hands, so just you behave! :-) Personally I find Klaus' deadpan Vulcan responses very amusing (and always to the point). Svensson, Joakim wrote: >Well, there's at least one difference - you can expect lots of facts about >KW from Klaus. Personally, I've never experienced that with a carpet! ;}> You should buy a Faxminster carpet. Sorry... KB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Daw Subject: (kw) Second Hand Synth Prices Date: 26 Nov 1998 19:51:23 +0000 Is there anywhere on the web where suggested second hand prices for synths and such like can be obtained. Thanks... -- Simon Daw simon_kraft@esteem.demon.co.uk http://www.esteem.demon.co.uk/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike The Robot" Subject: (kw) Techno Mailing List Date: 26 Nov 1998 11:58:27 -0700 Hey all, i'm here just to tell you that a new mailing list about electronic music is running... Go to http://members.tripod.com/~technomp3 to more details. We talk about kraft and also their followers, like underworld, orbital, and everything related to the new electronic music. See you there... Thanks. MJF Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://personal.lycos.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Colatina Radio Som Ltda <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) Tribal Gathering CD-R Date: 26 Nov 1998 18:25:23 -0200 Hi, again. I have ten copies of the Tribal Gathering concert (CD-R) (Bônus: pics of the brazilian shows ` 98 tour !!!) I accept swap by others artists: TANGERINE DREAM - Cyclone, Logos, Ricochet etc. GARY NUMAN - tell me your list JEAN MICHEL JARRE - tell me your list The Tribal Gathering is the great concert, including Numbers, CW, Radio-activity, TEE ... Eduardo Monteiro # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Kraftworld updated Date: 26 Nov 1998 22:58:43 -0200 I put 5 new newspapers and magazines articles about KW concerts in Brazil. peace Nicolau http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Abzug1@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Save the Turkeys! Date: 27 Nov 1998 00:38:28 EST Happy Thanxgiving everyone SAVE THE TURKEYS SAVE THE TURKEYS SAVE THE TURKEYS # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) Save the Turkeys! Date: 27 Nov 1998 09:41:27 +0000 > SAVE THE TURKEYS SAVE THE TURKEYS SAVE THE TURKEYS let's save some kurds while we are there. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) KlingKlang Update Date: 27 Nov 1998 12:56:23 +0100 I've just updeted the Numbers/Computerworld - video, it now has better soun= d=20 than before, it was a bit too lousy before=2E I'm kind of a novise at compressing these things, but I'm learning, and I=20 found a better method, so if you want to, goto: http://members=2Etripod=2Ecom/~KlingKlang/index=2Ehtml You'll find a link called "GOTO KW VIDEO OF THE MONTH: " I'm doing all this for Jose, the only guy telling me he wants movies of=20 KW-live=2E regards/Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Happy holidays Date: 27 Nov 1998 08:14:17 -0500 >Happy Turkey Day, everyone, and a happy holiday season to all. Peace. Thank you, and the same to you. I can't wait to hear comments from = people in other countries that don't have a clue what you're talking = about. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Superporno Stars Date: 27 Nov 1998 14:47:20 +0100 A various artists CD titled "Superporno Stars" has been recently published. This record includes a song called "Sex Robots" by Paralex, in which they allow themselves a quite likeable joke at cost of Kraftwerk.=20 The record label is Minifunk and it is being distributed by So Dens. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Radio On Date: 27 Nov 1998 14:47:30 +0100 I'm with Herr Zaepke. I think to use a song in a film is like when a song is emitted in a radio station. They don't have to ask any permission or licence to the author/s because they have paid previously the rights for the broadcasting of any track of any band or soloist. All in all, I wonder if the Radio On producer/s have to pay a part of the benefit's film (royalties ?) to GEMA and/or KW. Thomas Weckert wrote: > There is no difference whether you talk to the carpet on the floor or t= o=20 > Klaus Zaepke. > If you want to argue, why can't you do this in private? These "can you=20 > confirm this" Please don't discuss this privately I'm interested in it too. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) KlingKlang Update Date: 27 Nov 1998 14:12:33 +0000 johan.andersson@allers.aller.se wrote: > I've just updeted the Numbers/Computerworld - video, it now has better sound > than before, it was a bit too lousy before. > I'm kind of a novise at compressing these things, but I'm learning, and I > found a better method, so if you want to, goto: > > http://members.tripod.com/~KlingKlang/index.html > > You'll find a link called "GOTO KW VIDEO OF THE MONTH: " > > I'm doing all this for Jose, the only guy telling me he wants movies of > KW-live. > In what format do you compress them? From what I remember last time I checked it was in QuickTime.Not all of us have possibility to watch quicktime with proprietary codecs, realvideo/mpeg format would be nice.. Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) MIME-version: 1.0 Date: 27 Nov 1998 15:22:57 +0100 In what format do you compress them? From what I remember last time I check= ed it was in QuickTime=2ENot all of us have possibility to watch quicktime with proprietary codecs, realvideo/mpeg format would be nice=2E=2E Vladimir Oh, sorry, I'm a Mac freak, I thought the Quick-time plugin was available f= or=20 all platforms, is it not possible to watch QT on a PC? I'll think about another format=2E=2E=2E Regards/Johan http://members=2Etripod=2Ecom/~KlingKlang/index=2Ehtml # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) Kling Klang Update Date: 27 Nov 1998 15:29:33 +0100 I found this URL for downloading the quicktime plugin for Windoze 3=2E1: http://www=2Eapple=2Ecom/quicktime/download/qtwin3=2E1=2Ehtml Regards/Johan Hiroshima 45, Tjernobyl 86, Windows 95 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) MIME-version: 1.0 Date: 27 Nov 1998 14:52:13 +0000 johan.andersson@allers.aller.se wrote: > Oh, sorry, I'm a Mac freak, I thought the Quick-time plugin was available for > all platforms, is it not possible to watch QT on a PC? > I'll think about another format... Possible but only on Windows. I don't use Windows :-) I use Linux. I could try to run it under dos/win emulation, or get necessary libraries... hmm, may be i'm too lazy. I just wanted to tell you that realvideo IMO is a better suited format for Internet transmission. Low-bandwidth mpeg is good too, it has small window, but the overall video quality is much better than in quicktime (24 fps, clear picture etc). Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Kling Klang Update / QuickTime Date: 27 Nov 1998 16:00:09 +0100 Or try using http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/ for QuickTime 3 for Win95 or WinNT (or Mac OS for that matter...). /Joakim -----Original Message----- I found this URL for downloading the quicktime plugin for Windoze 3.1: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/qtwin3.1.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: (kw) QuickTime and KW related questions Date: 27 Nov 1998 15:13:43 +0000 Svensson, Joakim wrote: > Or try using http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/ for QuickTime 3 for > Win95 or WinNT (or Mac OS for that matter...). Ok, this messages are getting offtopic now, I think we should further contact via email directly. Anti-offtopic: Listening to different Kraftwerk albums, I noticed that their sound quality varies, not depending on the time when they were released. Like Die Roboter's sound is not really clear.. Les Manequinns has a high pitch noise during all the record, I can't even listen it because of this (my ears dont like that). Why does this happen? Where those records were made, may be not in Kling-Klang? And what equipment did Kraftwerk use for ComputerWorld. I don't hear Orchestron there, though synthesisers sound a lot better (softer) than in Man Maschine and T.E.E. Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike The Robot" Subject: (kw) Techno Mailing List - part 2 Date: 27 Nov 1998 08:32:44 -0700 Hey all. I'm here again just to tell you that the page of Techno Mailing List was totally reformulated. Join the list on http://members.tripod.com/~technomp3 . Thanks. MJF Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://personal.lycos.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Don't use any "Real" format! Date: 27 Nov 1998 19:34:30 +0100 On 27-Nov-98 A.D., Vladimir Ivaschenko carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) MIME-version: 1.0": > johan.andersson@allers.aller.se wrote: > >> Oh, sorry, I'm a Mac freak, I thought the Quick-time plugin was >> available for all platforms, is it not possible to watch QT on a PC? >> I'll think about another format... > > Possible but only on Windows. I don't use Windows :-) I use Linux. I > could try to > run it under dos/win emulation, or get necessary libraries... hmm, may > be i'm > too lazy. I just wanted to tell you that realvideo IMO is a better > suited format for > Internet transmission. Low-bandwidth mpeg is good too, it has small > window, but > the overall video quality is much better than in quicktime (24 fps, > clear picture etc). If you don't like QT, then I can't understand why you're advocating any of the Real-* formats? That's a REALLY proprietary format, which can only be played with the player from Real Media (or whatever they call themselves), and as usual they don't bother to make players for e.g. my platform, the Amiga. AFAIK the QT codecs are freely available, and for Linux, XAnim handles QT just fine. To any people thinking about publishing Kraftwerk (or any for that matter) material - PLEASE DON'T USE ANY "REAL" FORMAT! Sorry about the shouting. ;) -- E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Happy holidays Date: 27 Nov 1998 10:47:08 -0500 Hmm, at least here in Germany we know about Turkey eating at = thanksgiving day... We all watch american soap operas, don=B4t we? ;-) Peter *I* don't too much...just living here is a soap opera in itself. But = you've got it right about Thanksgiving. Huggy Bear Warren, MI USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Houle Subject: (kw) Don't use any "Real" format! Date: 27 Nov 1998 14:24:17 -0500 You're using an Amiga and shouting at us for using real audio? (I was gonna make a joke, but I don't wanna start a thread....) M # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Armin.Poecker@t-online.de (Armin Poecker) Subject: (kw) Tour De Breaks etc. Date: 27 Nov 1998 16:23:03 +0100 > From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> > Subject: (kw) Tour de Breaks > > Kraftwerk "Tour De Breaks" DMC 12" remix of Tour De France from 1989. > > can someone tell me how much this is worth? is this an official KW release > or a bootleg remix? sorry, but this is all the info i have on it. please > e-mail me personally, i can convert any currency. DMC is one of several companies making DJ Remix records - like Razormaid or Ultimix. DMC (Disco Mix Club) is not a bootleg manufacturer but a legitimate company. These companies normally license tracks from record companies for a limited audience use - hence the necessity to prove you're a DJ if you want to buy their records. These records filter into the collector's market now and then. There are collectors who love them, others despise them as 'inofficial' as the original artist did not sanction the remix. However, there are many examples of artists who chose to release such mixes on official records - if you find a 'Joseph Watt Remix' on some artist's 12", it has actiually been done by Joseph Watt of Razormaid. As many collectors do not like these remix records, placing a value is very hard. I've seen this item on offer at around pound 25 to pound 50. It seems pound 20 to 25 is the regular price for a single 12" (these remixes often come in sets of two 12" records). > From: Thomas Weckert > Subject: Re: (kw) i'd like to sell an argument, please. > > There is no difference whether you talk to the carpet on the floor or to Klaus > Zaepke. > If you want to argue, why can't you do this in private? These "can you confirm > this" and "can you give proof" discussions are boring, and they are not an > enrichment for this mailing list. > > Thomas So unfounded rumours are an enrichment to the list? Maybe you should start an "Silly Kraftwerk Rumours List" then. I'd like to stay with the facts. Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Moraga Subject: (kw) KW qtvr or vrml? Date: 27 Nov 1998 12:47:45 -0800 Does anyone know if there are any KW qtvr or vrml files available? It seems that KW would be a great subject for a virtual reality file. Please cc me in the reply - I don't always get to all of the list messages. Thanks! Paul Daly City, CA pmoraga@sfsu.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) Don't use any "Real" format! Date: 27 Nov 1998 21:05:26 +0000 Emanuel Mair wrote: Uh-oh, I repeat this this thread is not kraftwerk related. Anyway... > h better than in quicktime (24 fps, > ? clear picture etc). > > If you don't like QT, then I can't understand why you're advocating any of > the Real-* formats? That's a REALLY proprietary format, which can only be > played with the player from Real Media (or whatever they call themselves), > and as usual they don't bother to make players for e.g. my platform, the > Amiga. > Well at least there is RealPlayer for Linux. And it is much better suited for Internet than QT.I was also speaking about mpeg, which is a _truly_ open format. > AFAIK the QT codecs are freely available, and for Linux, XAnim handles QT > just fine. > No. You have to manually link the library. Standard xanim doesn't support cinepak codecs. If you have an answer, I expect it to be sent in private. I don't see any reason to annoy other 'werkers with any more messages of this type. Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Don't use any "Real" format! Date: 27 Nov 1998 22:39:56 +0100 On 27-Nov-98 A.D., Marc Houle carved the following runes about "(kw) Don't use any "Real" format!": > You're using an Amiga and shouting at us for using real audio? So? What's the difference in this case between my situation and that of e.g. Mr. Ivaschenko (who brought up this topic)? > (I was gonna make a joke, but I don't wanna start a thread....) The thread was already started... Please mail me the joke privately ;-) Anyway, that wasn't my point - what I meant was that it shouldn't matter what computer/OS you're using, it is after all called the Internet and not the "Wintelnet" (although I'm afraid that's not too far away...). I wouldn't publish any Kraftwerk tunes on my page in LhA:ed Amiga IFF-audio format, because I know that it would be difficult or impossible for "some" systems to use those files, however great the quality may be. As an example people complained to me about Winzip being unable to decompress the Kraftwerk MPEG-tunes (another free standard BTW...) on my site that I had packed with gzip for IRIX, so I went through the hazzle to zip them locally on my computer and uploaded them again - quite natural if you want the stuff you publish to be of any use to everyone, although it was the fault of Winzip in this case. Information is worthless if it can't be transformed into exformation. -- E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: "Radio On" (was: Re: (kw) i'd like to sell an argument, please.) Date: 25 Nov 1998 22:46:00 -0500 (EST) Well, you wrote: > "they just allowed a few of their songs to be used because of > the DJ premise in the film". >And I fail to see any evidence for this theory. for the last time, regardless of the kind of permission (specific or implied) the reason KW deal with GEMA is to have GEMA handle KW's copyrights and royalties, am i right. now, that condition alone means that GEMA is the permission granting body (whether implied or specific) as the entity regulating copyrights and royalties for the use of KW songs, anong other material. So since all songs under the GEMA umbrella are available to anybody that automatically means that KW have granted permission to licence their material to others through GEMA. is that not correct? now, if you want to nit pick my grammer and sentence structure go ahead, i don't care. i had no intention of claiming that KW personally allowed the producers of the Film "Radio On" to use "Ohm Sweet Ohm" in the film. and if that statement confused you, i apologize. but in the future don't make this a claim/proof issue. if you want to correct my language that's fine, i'll take criticism, but do not take my words out of context and ask me to prove the validity of a fragment of my statement. you know, this is how wars get started, when people misunderstand each other. > >> it seems that we both agree that the producers of "Radio On" were required to gain >> permission to use the song "Ohm Sweet Ohm" in their film > >GEMA songs are usually available to everybody without explicit >permission, as far as I know. if you would not have taken this out of context again, you would have known that i was not aware of the specific business practices and or laws governing copyrights, royalties, and licencing in Germany, however i am aware of how they operate in US and generally in the world. so since an organisation such as GEMA exists, that in itself implies that they are the permission granters and they grant that permission any way they choose. if that means that all songs are openly available to anyone, than that is also a permission granted by GEMA to everyone and every one individual specifically. however, this is a theoretical discussion now because i do not know GEMA policies and procedures and can not and will not discuss them, until i learn more about them so that i can make educated statements. thank you lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo Cassolatto" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk alive in Cable TV Date: 26 Nov 1998 03:48:19 PST Hi werkers, and specially for the brazilians !! Yesterday, the MULTISHOW cable tv, show the presentation of Kraftwerk in Rio de Janeiro, the track list was : Trans Europe Express, The Robots and Music Non Stop. Great , was the best birthday gift to me, I record this !!! Thanx !! Peace !! It's Christmas Time !!!!!! |>------------------------------<| |>-- The Sintetik Way Of Life --<|>--------------------< |>------------------------------<|> Ricardo Cassolatto < |>--< sintetik@hotmail.com >--<|> SAO PAULO - BRAZIL < |>------------------------------<|>--------------------< |>-----< Musik Non Stop >-------<| |>------------------------------<| ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo Cassolatto" Subject: (kw) Problems !! Date: 26 Nov 1998 07:50:09 PST Dear Sirs, I don=B4t agree too. Klaus, and other good people of this list , have crucial, and import=20 informations about our interest -->>> KRAFTWERK If somebody don=B4t agree with Klaus os any other people, please don=B4t=20 expose self opinions here, here is to discuss about music, hardware and=20 Kraftwerk, our goal, out interest !!!! I fell that all people of this list are from various countries and=20 races, and religions, but here in the list we all are one being,=20 interested in information, not in fighting words against other list=20 member, sorry IMHO, stop this, this is ugly and i think like me, other=20 members of the list don=B4t agree too !! Sorry for my sincerity ! It is for our good. Let the personal opinios out here !! Respect me, and=20 I will respect you , if somebody need respect, first send respect on=20 messages !!!!! Thanks !!! It=B4s Christmas Time we need peace, rest and=20 new power to new year !! Thanks to all here in this list , and sorry for my ugly english, I=20 promise I will try make better ( studing english !! ) Music=20 Non Stop, and us too !!!!!!!!! Best Regards, Ricardo Cassolatto ( SINTETIK ) - Brazil - Sounth Amerika - Earth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicolau Centola" Subject: (kw) Is KW off topic? Date: 26 Nov 1998 08:46:08 PST Well, guys: I=B4ve been out of the last postings on this list, because I have a lot o= f=20 work here... I don=B4t even could start my personal page about KW concert= s=20 here in Brazil! Someday one day... Sorry to those guys who are waiting for some stuff... just wait a little=20 while... I didn=B4t forget you. So I have to say I didn=B4t read a lot from the list... But looking at=20 last postings, I have to say I=B4m a little bit borred with them. Well, look, I really LOVE this list!! I=B4m here about two years, I think= ,=20 I made some friends here and get a lot of information here... It gave a=20 new direction to my KW relations, my adoration to this wonderful band... But I confess I don=B4t have patience to read some conversation... I=B4m = not=20 against any kind of posting, or any kind of discussion. For me it=B4s=20 important to listen all points of view. But I just think some of them=20 could be private. It=B4s really good arguish with other people, but=20 sometimes some guys starts to make personal argumentation that I think=20 all the other don=B4t need to read. So these people just could send=20 private mails to flame with others. Keep in the list just the "conceptual" flames... please, not for=20 personal battles. Look, I love Klaus, Lenny and all of you, but I think each one has their=20 own style... so I don=B4t like to read something like: X never listen the= =20 others, you can not talk with Y and so on. If it=B4s made in a joke way,=20 it=B4s OK. Personaly I joked sometimes to reafirm some stylistic ways...=20 but you can see if it=B4s a joke or if it=B4s serious. And we don=B4t have the right to judge the way of living or the way of be= =20 of other ones... Sorry if I saw things that are not occurring... If all of you are just=20 kiding, OK! People, be friendly, be positive!! peace to all! Nicolau PS - but let=B4s start to talk a little more about KW, OK? We are near to= =20 the next millenium and for me KW is still the most actual band of the=20 world... they are miles away from all the bands... of course they have=20 things I don=B4t like (other than Antenna). But they are still very=20 important for me. I watched last MTV awards at Milano and I could not see more than 10=20 minutes. When Acqua (or Aqua?) started to "play" I just turned off my=20 tv. Say NO to drugs!=20 And some people said that KW is not playing any more live. If KW do not=20 play anymore, what Acqua does? PS2 - Thanks for the guy (sorry, I lost his name) who puts his Vako on=20 the net... good photos... please mail me privately... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) I'd like to sell an argument, please. Date: 26 Nov 1998 16:00:03 -0000 er, how do you "sell" an argument ? is this a reference to the famous monty python sketch? or do we mean "settle"? the guy who is having a go at klaus should stick to the argument and not get personal. and what is the problem with klaus , as someone said, being "always right"? i, personally , subscribe to this list for facts , not opinions. others , no doubt ,prefer debate to information. so be it:there is room for both [though i wish there was more fact and less fiction]. klaus provides the most consistent flow of information - yes, a lot of it may be references to magazine articles and so on but in the absence of anything happening what else can we expect? that he diligently checks his facts should not be criticized,and if he doesn't know something , he ASKS. as for the debate itself, i think there is a danger of losing sight of why we want to know exactly what happens with film soundtracks. would i be right in thinking that we want to know whether or not the boys actually gave explicit[rather than implicit]permission for a track to be used in a film? funnily enough, i was thinking about this only the other day in conjunction with tour de france and the film breakdance. whatever the agreement with gema or any other collection agency, does an artist , IF he owns his own songs, not have the right to veto the use of his music on certain projects? what if ,say, british nuclear fuels wanted to use radioactivity ['75 version of course] for a tv campaign? we have not yet satisfactorily answered this question , in my view. perhaps plastikman could ask, next time he "hangs out" with ralf. chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) i'd like to sell an argument, please. Date: 26 Nov 1998 15:24:15 -0500 (EST) >Yeah, arguing with Klaus Zaepke is useless. He is always right... is that a fact. i'd love to challenge you to an argument that Mr. Zaepke is in fact not always right, and arguing with him is quite the opposite of useless. On the contrary, it is envigorating, rejuvinating, and keeps one's mind sharp. how do i know this, you ask? the answer is easy: I KNOW EVERYTHING! lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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