From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #30 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, December 31 1997 Volume 02 : Number 030 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 22:27:34 +0100 From: Thomas Subject: (kw) Kral Bartos in "Der Spiegel" The last issue of the German newsmagazine "Der Spiegel" contained a two-page article about how computers changed modern music, on the example of Bartos' work on his new Elektric album. Bartos said in this article "that many people will feel angry, because the new album will sound pretty different as they might expect" with its guitar soli, and that this is a late revenge to Ralf H"utter, who predicted already in 1976 "that in 20 years, nobody will use guitars anymore". I think Bartos never really understood the point of the Kraftwerk concept... Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 22:31:35 +0000 From: Chris Lee Subject: (kw) Greetings Hi folks, I'm new to this list and wondered if anyone knows anything about the long awaited new album from our favourite German band. Cheers, Chris Lee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:08:18 +0100 From: "Kotta" Subject: (kw) Traffic jam Hi all, I recently purchased a bootleg called "Kraftwerk - Traffic Jam on Autobahn". Since it's the only KW bootleg i have I'm wondering about the quality and rarity, compared to other KW bootlegs. thanx! /Kotta # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:36:24 +0000 From: "J.Kock" Subject: RE: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com On 4 Jan 80 at 4:02, **************** wrote: > 1) Kraftwerk can not afford a multimedia hi-tech extravaganza > 2) Kraftwerk are lazy and lacking in inspiration. You are obviously in this mailing list just to ignore people. Correct me if i am wrong. \\ J.Kock - SysOp on Kockens BBS +4646250256 - Atari ONLY! \\ kock@kockens.pp.se - JKock@nest.demon.co.uk - kock@geocities.com \\ kock@hempseed.com - kock@myself.com - atarisysop@usa.net \\ http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-12411 \\ http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/1353 \\ Proud member of APS!! ICQ:1295365 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 18:47:48 EST From: PRODUKT 01 Subject: Re: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com 1) Kraftwerk can not afford a multimedia hi-tech extravaganza > 2) Kraftwerk are lazy and lacking in inspiration. < People who make underhanded comments like this shouldnt be allowed to read or post on this list # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 21:03:12 EST From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com On Sat, 27 Dec 1997 18:47:48 EST PRODUKT 01 writes: > > > >1) Kraftwerk can not afford a multimedia hi-tech extravaganza >> 2) Kraftwerk are lazy and lacking in inspiration. < > >People who make underhanded comments like this shouldnt be allowed to >read or >post on this list > > whoa pal...i may not agree with the original opinion, but ill always respect the right to post it...i think YOU should reconsider your assinine posting.... tom w np: steel pulse=true democracy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 21:34:20 EST From: SR Records Subject: (kw) My CR5000 experiment...... well - after some discussion of the CR5000 recently (on AH), I searched the (AH) archives and did a little experimenting - and now I have a genuine manually-controlled CR5000.........exactly like the kraftwerk-inspired "close- the-circuit" design. very crude but very interesting - a few metal plates attatched to some scrawny wires and cut up coat hangers do the trick quite nicely! now to interface with my Gulbranson select-a-rhythm!!!! - -j # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:00:39 +0000 From: Chris Lee Subject: Re: (kw) My CR5000 experiment...... Forgive my ignorance, but what's a CR5000? Chris Lee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 1980 00:25:46 -0000 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com >>1) Kraftwerk can not afford a multimedia hi-tech extravaganza 2) Kraftwerk are lazy and lacking in inspiration. << PRODUKT 01 wrote:- >People who make underhanded comments like this shouldnt be allowed to = read or post on this list ...........you are kidding right? Like Dapeche = mode or u2 know the first thing about hi tech ?< I am sorry to have caused you offence PRODUCKT, and think perhaps you = may have misunderstood what I was trying to say. Firstly, I didn't = mention Depeche Mode (or Dapeche mode as you call them) in my original = e-mail. I unashamedly referenced U2 and here's why.... The U2 Zooropa tour was a hi-tech extravaganza built around the latest = multi-media technology. This was in keeping with the character of the = U2 albums from Achtung Baby onwards which have all utilised technology = that didn't even exist when Kraftwerk made their last new album = (Electric Cafe).=20 Contrast the above with the Kraftwerk live show. Sadly it has basically = remained unchanged since the early 80's. OK, there have been = modifications, but no radical innovations or new ideas. The Computer = World tour used what were hi-tech video screens to display what were = state of the art graphics, intermingled with images of the past, eg the = TEE trains. Kraftwerk were mixing the old and the new. In 1997, = Kraftwerk are still using the same type of screen with the same = graphics. They are now mixing the old with the even older. Kraftwerk has = not developed, effectively time has stood still in their world. Other = bands like U2 now use enormous video displays and other highly = sophisticated technology as a routine part of their live show. =20 PRODUCKT I am genuinely sorry if you are offended. Remember, Kraftwerk = will always be a great band. However, unless they can reshape the mould = again - as they did with Autobahn, TEE, MM, CW - they will no longer = hold the title of being the greatest innovators of pop music.=20 regards, mode.123 "Il faut cultiver notre jardin" ("We must cultivate our garden") Fran=E7ois-Marie Arouet =00=00 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 12:40:20 +0000 From: "J.Kock" Subject: Re: (kw) My CR5000 experiment...... On 28 Dec 97 at 3:00, Chris Lee wrote: > Forgive my ignorance, but what's a CR5000? I think he means a CZ5000 (old synth from Casio) but correct me if im wrong :-) BTW. There was a notice in the morning paper today (Arbetet in Sweden) about Kraftwerk. This is what it said: (Translated to English) KRAFTWERK IS BACK Not only have they played their first live consert in an eternety, next year the german synth pioneers Kraftwerk is back with a new studio album, 12 years since the last one. They are recording it in their famous Kling Klang studio and are planning to be done in authum 98. :-D \\ J.Kock - SysOp on Kockens BBS +4646250256 - Atari ONLY! \\ kock@kockens.pp.se - JKock@nest.demon.co.uk - kock@geocities.com \\ kock@hempseed.com - kock@myself.com - atarisysop@usa.net \\ http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-12411 \\ http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/1353 \\ Proud member of APS!! ICQ:1295365 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 10:24:20 EST From: SR Records Subject: Re: (kw) My CR5000 experiment...... In a message dated 12/28/97 11:44:00 AM, you wrote: <> No no - I mean a Roland CR5000 drum machine. Now it is manually controllable and not mearly preset rhythms. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 14:05:56 -0400 From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: Re: (kw) My CR5000 experiment...... >well - after some discussion of the CR5000 recently (on AH), I searched the >(AH) archives and did a little experimenting - and now I have a genuine >manually-controlled CR5000.........exactly like the kraftwerk-inspired "close- >the-circuit" design. very crude but very interesting - a few metal plates >attatched to some scrawny wires and cut up coat hangers do the trick quite >nicely! now to interface with my Gulbranson select-a-rhythm!!!! I may be also wrong, but by what I know and by the description on the text, it may be the [ROLAND] CR5000, an old analog rythm box, post ROLAND TR-808 / TR-909... It would also be possible recreate the triggering of sequences, just like the live performances of KW's Pocket Calculator, by what is called the "RPS" function - "real time phrase sequencer" - which can be found on some keyboards and sequencing software, as on the ROLAND JP-8000 or ROLAND MV-30. With the RPS, you program patterns which are triggered just as samples from each key you assign from any device - keyboard, drum pad,... Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 01:18:06 +0800 From: "Xav" Subject: Re: (kw) Let time speak for itself (Olympic 2nd cd received) > I've already sent two, one going to Singapore ......... I have just received the Olympic 2nd edition cd today. It has arrived in good shape with good printing, and it features 10 tracks (including Technopop bonus track which was not in the original list) as promised. So for all other werkers who are still interested in this cd, you may want to consider owning a copy. (just speaking on personal interest on kw collections, and no marketing intention here for Larry. ) Wishing all werkers and robots a happy new year !! Xavier T H Lim sck8914@singnet.com.sg .....werking late tonight with olympic ...... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 21:25:12 +0000 From: "J.Kock" Subject: Re: (kw) My CR5000 experiment...... On 28 Dec 97 at 10:24, SR Records wrote: > < wrong :-)>> > > No no - I mean a Roland CR5000 drum machine. Aha! Ok. Sorry ;-) \\ J.Kock - SysOp on Kockens BBS +4646250256 - Atari ONLY! \\ kock@kockens.pp.se - JKock@nest.demon.co.uk - kock@geocities.com \\ kock@hempseed.com - kock@myself.com - atarisysop@usa.net \\ http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-12411 \\ http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/1353 \\ Proud member of APS!! ICQ:1295365 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 15:02:19 -0800 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Kai Krause "Metatools" I caught the second half of a very interesting Deutsche Welle program on the KNOW cable channel about a guy named Kai Krause and his "Metatools" software company. -(2pm Pacific time 28 Dec.)- My husband heard "Spacelab" in the background of a Computer graphics sequence and called it to my attention. I'm hoping this show will be re-broadcast so I can tape it. Meanwhile, I'm surfing the Net for more info on Kai Krause and "Metatools". Fascinating stuff! Happy HolidaZe! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 00:19:47 +0100 From: "Kotta" Subject: (kw) Traffic jam Eduardo, (and all other interested) here is some info on Traffic Jam on Autobahn: I will scan covers tomorrow, mail me if you want the images. Cover: Yellow with blue text (computer font) says KRAFTWERK (new line) TRAFFIC JAM (nl) ON (nl) image of roadsign indicating autobahn (in blue). Also there is a small sleeve with a robot schematic (from The Mix sleeve) ,a barcode and text "your copy no. (in my case) 38". Recorded live Birmingham, Hummingbird July 15th 1991 Track listing: CD1: Intro - 0:53 Numbers - 5:06 Computerworld - 4:40 It's more fun to compute/Homecomputer - 8:03 Computerlove - 6:49 The Model - 3:44 Tour de France - 7:12 Autobahn - 11:51 Radioactivity - 7:07 CD2: Trans Europa Express - 11:18 The Robots - 8:41 Pocket Calculator - 11:35 Music non Stop - 13:21 Cd1 is yellow with robot schematic, compact disc logo and GEMA logo. Cd2 is yellow with barcode, cd logo and GEMA logo. states: "cawa disain by deger" Number is: "Heinz 1/2" I found it in a shop in Stockholm, Sweden. It was the only copy they had. I paid approx. 36 US dollars. Does anyone know how many copies were made of this bootleg ? /Kotta >Dear MR. Kotta, > >As I just had read that you could get that KW bootleg, which I only heard >of, could you please >send a complete discription of it?? Including Cover,back cover, track list >(with times),... >so, anything you could tell me about it!! I've got some bootlegs, but only >heard of "Traffic Jam"... >Where did you bought? How much did you paid? >As most of the people on the KW mailing list just want to discuss secondary >things, let's get >some more interesting KW talk between us!!! > >Merry (late) xmas, and happy new year!! > >A big embrace, > > >Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR >Composition, arrangement and musical production. >mailto:avellar@softhome.net >Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 20:55:39 -0500 From: Dove-7@webtv.net (Michael Guydon) Subject: (kw) I'd heard that Kraftwerk will be touring in 1998. Do you know if they will be touring in the U.S.A.? If so when and how can get tickets? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:10:44 +0100 From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) "Das Modell" on Austrian Sampler Hi all! Yesterday in a record store I found a sampler called "Die groessten Hits der 80er und 90er aus Oesterreich - Vol. 7: Best Of Flieger" ("The biggest hits of the 80ies and 90ies from austria - Vol. 7: Best of Flieger"). Beside some other songs it also contains "Das Modell" from Kraftwerk. "Flieger" is a very popular kind of clubbing here in austria/vienna, where are played favourite and famous songs from the NDW ("Neue deutsche Welle") like "DaDaDa" by Trio or "Bruttosozialprodukt" by Geiersturzflug (does anybody know/remind these songs? I like them in a kind of way...;-) ). The strange thing about this sampler CD is, that is named "...Hits...aus Oesterreich..." ("...Songs...from Austria...") and that all songs and artists, except "Das Modell" by Kraftwerk, are from austria! So, I think, the publisher of the Sampler tought that Kraftwerk is an austrian (!) band. Funny, isn't it? Bye, Georgie - -- * Wir laden unsere Batterie, jetzt sind wir voller Energie... * * KRAFTWERK: Mensch - Maschine * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 10:52:13 -0500 From: "A. D. Alvarez" Subject: (kw) DA DA DA <<"DaDaDa" by Trio>> This song's now known in the USA as the backgorund of an award-winning (and I think quite fabulous) Volkswagen commercial that's been on rotation in prime time television since last Spring. - -- Aldo Alvarez Editor Blithe House Quarterly: a site for gay short fiction URL: http://www.spectra.net/~aalvarez/BHQ.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:04:02 +0100 From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) update! Hi!=20 =20 Just did an update with some pictures from Karlsruhe!=20 =20 Wish you all a Happy New Year!!=20 =20 Mats =20 =20 www.student.gu.se/~maka0067 =20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 09:04:31 -0800 (PST) From: Solenoid Subject: (kw) Re: My CR5000 experiment...... On Sat, 27 Dec 1997, SR Records wrote: > well - after some discussion of the CR5000 recently (on AH), I searched the > (AH) archives and did a little experimenting - and now I have a genuine > manually-controlled CR5000.........exactly like the kraftwerk-inspired "close- > the-circuit" design. very crude but very interesting - a few metal plates > attatched to some scrawny wires and cut up coat hangers do the trick quite > nicely! now to interface with my Gulbranson select-a-rhythm!!!! I had found that the board for the sounds was linked to the main pcb by a ribbon cable that had a ground wire and a 5v current wire for each sound. My voltmeter (cheap) showed that the voltage dropped to 0 when the sound was triggered. I've been stuck there ever since...is this the same kind of trigger as the Moog S-trig? Is this a "Schmidt trigger" then? I'm barely understanding how to convert a trigger (-5v from ext trig out on a 606)...do I use an optoisolator to cause the voltage spike of the 606 to be inverted to a resistance level on the cr5000 sound? Is there an easier way to approach this..like places on the sound pcb to wire in trigger inputs? Solenoid DC solenoid@europa.com <------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:20:34 -0500 From: Marc Houle Subject: (kw) Re: My CR5000 experiment...... >I had found that the board for the sounds was linked to the main pcb by a >ribbon cable that had a ground wire and a 5v current wire for each sound. >My voltmeter (cheap) showed that the voltage dropped to 0 when the sound >was triggered. I've been stuck there ever since...is this the same kind >of trigger as the Moog S-trig? Is this a "Schmidt trigger" then? I'm >barely understanding how to convert a trigger (-5v from ext trig out on a >606)...do I use an optoisolator to cause the voltage spike of the 606 to >be inverted to a resistance level on the cr5000 sound? Is there an easier >way to approach this..like places on the sound pcb to wire in trigger >inputs? Try looking under the hypperreal area under the Micromoog Mod Area...It has something there I think... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 00:47:14 -0800 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Komputer Krash! *ARGH* Hubby crashed the Computer again and lost all of our Email between Dec 24th and 29th. If anyone has Emailed me lately, please re-send. -(I had not had the chance to answer every message before the past few days' worth of Email got wiped out.)- Sorry to be off-topic, but, I HATE losing Email - -especially from Fellow KRAFTWERKers! NOTE: J.Talbert's "PROOF" CD is VERY nice BrainMusiK! -(Many thanks for the CD, John!)- ps: I just did another drawing for New Years- hopefully hubby dearest will be able to upload it within the next 24 hours.... it's already New Years in SOME parts of the World! -(Hello to all KW Fans in Japan and EVerywhere!)- Happy New Year! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #30 ******************************