From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #31 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Saturday, January 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 031 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 09:31:35 -0500 From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) kraftwerk.com huh...oddly, i visited the site for the first time the other day, (which led me to join this e-list). i'm a long time fan - but, it never occurred to me, until recently to seek out information on solo kw, (elektronic music, yamo), or join a discussion of kw's past. however, i find myself listening to "the old stuff" more and more, as well as enjoying e.m, and yamo! i've never seen any of them perform live... i found the website to be minimal, yet, effective. if i didn't know what kw was "about" it would pique my curiosity more than the standard band page that shows their album covers, and gives sound clips from the "notable" songs. the kw page seems to amply reflect kw's sound, philosophy and style. more than i can say for most band pages, which are generic to say the least. as for the band being "lazy", i don't know. should they hit you with everything including the kitchen sink, just because it's available technology? should they have a real audio/video/shockwave extravaganza? i don't see why. since i've never seen a live show, i can only comment from pure opinion, (i haven't seen u2 since the "war" tour). but, it seems to me that perhaps the "finished work" principle might be the point in the relatively unchanging kraftwerk show....do they need to endlessly reinvent the songs, and the stage show? kraftwerk's music has always had a cinematic feel to it, if some songs are "married" to particular visual images in their live shows, so be it. i don't have a problem with it - i don't find it lazy, or wonder if they don't have the cash to come up with a new stage show. i assume that the statement they made, and are making is the one they wanted to make, and still want to make. u2, on the other hand seem to become more bombastic, (not artful) each year. do the big screens, costumes, etc. enhance the u2 experience? they started out with an original sound waaaay back when...as the sound became more derivative, the shows became bigger and bigger, the gestures going from small and personal to grandiose, and overblown. bono is the story. in kraftwerk, the music and images are the story. that's what makes them special. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 17:28:29 +0100 From: "Conny Fornbäck" Subject: (kw) Tribal Gathering on Swedish TV For the scandinavian list-members: TV4 Saturday 3/1-1998, 1:35-3:25 "Tribal Gathering" According to the press release the show contains performances by Kraftwerk, Chemical Brothers and others. I suspect this to be the same show that was shown in UK earlier this year, which means that it does *not* contain any performance by KW. But it might be fun watching anyways... I wish you all a happy new year Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:02:07 +0000 From: "Ooh To Be Ah" Subject: (kw) HNY Happy New Year to all on the Kraftwerk list. I feel it in my water 1998 will bring us that long awaited album...or maybe 1999 or maybe 2000 or maybe.... Best wishes from the UK Ian J. Harris "I am an enigma...or am I?" AOL Instant Messager : DMBoy55432 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:07:19 -0500 From: Glenn Herman Subject: (kw) New KW Songs in Realaudio Format Dear All: I have put up all three new songs on my homepage. I hope this is of some value to fellow Werkers this new years. Check them out at http://www.glennherman.com Sincerely, Glenn Herman glennherman@prodigy.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 00:09:09 -0500 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) L'chaim Have a happy new year; to a prosperous and eventful 1998. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 06:53:01 GMT From: lbo@iol.it (lbo) Subject: Re: (kw) NME UK 1/3 > I have a number of reservations about the NME article stating that your observations are ok, but what follows are my hopes. [hard work] >often the band sat > around drinking well, this could be their opinion of what "hard work" means... and it will explain a lot of other things, doesn't it? :-) (or should I say "wouldn't it"? to make it short, if you english mother tongue spot something that could be better said in any of my messages, I'll welcome your advices - they pay me better for knowing english well! :-) personal mail of course) seriously, "sitting around drinking" could be a way of reaching a certain mood. while it has demonstrated that Bussy's book is not to be taken as *the* truth, and while I trust NME even a lot less, I hope that these two facts does not constitute a contradiction. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 06:55:40 GMT From: lbo@nospam.iol.it (lbo) Subject: Re: (kw) NME UK 2/3 > 2) Three new tracks have already emerged. So > what? With Technopop a whole album was recorded, test pressings yes, but this time the tracks emerged publicly and officially. if I'm not wrong with Technopop we know about the tracks only as soon as the "clandestine" copy, so to call it, went around. > mixed reception. The publicly played tracks are probably > considered the best of the material which has been recorded for well, maybe they are just the tracks that are ready now, that means the tracks that need less work, or, to say it in other words, these tracks could just divertissements they used to test the reaction of the public to this new sound. I don't think that if they played them, then they should constitute the flagships of their next album. and now that I think about it, I don't even think they care a lot about the public reaction. why after all an artist should care, if he *wants* to do something... and this is one of the reason why I don't understand how could people on this list rubbish something over reasonable levels. but I'm leaving this here. lbo@nospam.iol.it ^^^^^^^ - -- per rispondere eliminate la stringa "nospam." dall'address - -- to answer remove "nospam." from the email address http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 06:55:49 GMT From: lbo@nospam.iol.it (lbo) Subject: Re: (kw) NME UK 3/3 > 4) The boat is > leaving the port. Electronic dance music has probably now peaked > in this current cycle. Releasing a new album into a shrinking > market would spell disaster for Kraftwerk. ehm, now who is rubbishing? :-) I would say that K target is not elec dnc m, this is just a secondary target, a fall-out. even if their late works sound like they're moving toward dance music, they still maintain a wide, how to say, image. they have a big reputation in the dance ambient, but as well in the industrial and in the electronic tout-court. think another thing. now the people who know them in their adolescence are rich and powerful thirties year old that would not abandon them at any instance. let the young ones oscillate in their tastes as the wind come and go: we the 30+ year old, the *real* K fans, the one who really understand them, will stand forever for them! :-) seriously, I think that is just K interest that fashions and tastes evolve a lot, so their decades-long coherence will spot better and will enable them to be appreciated by more and more people wo are far from the commercial genres. anyway, your points are good, let's just hope that you're not right! - ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo lbo@nospam.iol.it ^^^^^^^ - -- per rispondere eliminate la stringa "nospam." dall'address - -- to answer remove "nospam." from the email address http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 00:54:49 -0800 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) HAPPY NEW YEAR! Happy New Year, Ralf & Florian! Well- FTP is still messed up, and hubby is totally SOUSED -(typical Earthling)-, but, he managed to get my new drawing uploaded to my HomePage at about 10 minutes till Midnight Pacific Standard Time. -(The idea was to have it up before the first timezone chimed Midnight. nice try.)- So, just like last year, I called up a KW picture and kissed the screen when the clock struck12!*HeeHee*! I wish everyone a Happy '98- and a *NEW* KW Album! YAY! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 12:19:15 -0700 (MST) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) HAPPY NEW YEAR! On Thu, 1 Jan 1998, ROBOT wrote: > Happy New Year, Ralf & Florian! I express similar sentiments. > have it up before the first timezone chimed Midnight. nice try.)- So, just > like last year, I called up a KW picture and kissed the screen when the > clock struck12!*HeeHee*! That's sweet. :) > I wish everyone a Happy '98- and a *NEW* KW Album! YAY! New album or not, here's hoping 1998 has more klings and klangs in it. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 12:06:41 PST From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Hello and happy new years to all! Last night at about 1am Central time, I completed an update to the Kraftwerk Media Center. There are now 12 videos available in RealVideo format. Das Model, Radioactivity, the Model and Numbers Live are new, and TEE, Robots '91, Robots '78, The Telephone Call and Musique Non Stop have been re-encoded and should work on all systems now. So go check it out, for those of you that don't have the URL: http://www.dragonfire.net/~petenet/kraftwerk ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:32:30 -0600 From: "Eric Oehler" Subject: (kw) DJ Gig. Just wanted to inform y'all that I got an occasional DJ gig, and thus it is now my mission to play one Kraftwerk tune every set. Dammit, I'm gunna make the scene here aware of these guys! :) - ---- Eric Oehler http://www.itis.com/~wonko/ wonko@itis.com Finger for PGP key By pressing down this special key, it plays a little melody # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:41:51 +0100 From: Andreas Schepers Subject: AW: (kw) "Das Modell" on Austrian Sampler hi, neither geiersturzflug nor trio are austrian bands. i think, the ndw was rather a german phenomenon ;) cu, andreas - ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH Information Design Schubertstraße 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 16:31:05 -0700 (MST) From: Ra Subject: (kw) OT: Recommendations? Hey, all. I'm ordering some CDs and I thought I'd give Clock DVA a try. Any suggestions? Do any of their albums have a KW-ish sound? E-mail me directly, please. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:33:11 -0700 From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:31:59 +0100 SGkgdGhlcmUhDQoNCkZvciB5b3UgU3dlZGlzaCAiV2Vya2VycyIsIHRoZXJltHMgYSBwcm9nIG9u IFRWIDQgdG9kYXkgKFNhdHVyZGF5IDMvMSkuDQpJdLRzIGFib3V0IFRHIDk3IGFuZCBzdXBwb3Nl ZCB0byBmZWF0dXJlIENoZW1pY2FsIEJyb3MgQU5EIEtyYWZ0d2Vyay4NCg0KSSBqdXN0IHRob3Vn aHQgSbRkIHJlbWluZCB5b3UgKHN0YXJ0IHRob3NlIFZDUrRzISkNCg0KL1VmZmUNCg0KKqQqpCqk KqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQq pCqkKqQqDQqoqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqEUtbWFpbCA6IHNpbHZlcnVwQGFsZ29uZXQuc2Wo qKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqCANCg0KqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqGh0dHAvLzp3d3cu YWxnb25ldC5zZS9+c2lsdmVydXAva3JhZnSoqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKgNCiqkKqQqpCqk KqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQq pCqkKg0KDQoNCg== # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:59:52 -0500 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Temporary hiatus 1998 Well, it's that time of year again, so I'm off with my family to Cozumel. Please make every effort to keep my account subscribed--even if messages start bouncing. Hope the discussions are interesting. See you in two weeks! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 03:16:09 +0100 From: "Conny Fornbäck" Subject: (kw) Disappointment The two hour long TV-show from Tribal Gathering '97 didn't contain Kraftwerk, in spite of what the papers said. But during one of the Orbital songs you could see the "Trans Europe"-stage in the background. The four videoscreens on stage revealed that Kraftwerk was playing "Numbers" at the very same time. Mostly irritating... Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #31 ******************************