From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #37 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, January 21 1998 Volume 02 : Number 037 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:02:58 +0000 From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER STUDENT" Subject: (kw) US pressings To the list member asking for the rarity and value of some US Kraftwerk pressings: your promo 12" should be 'Numbers' (PRO-A-973) and is the second of two 1981 promotional 12" singles on Warner Bros. It is scarcer than 'Pocket Calculator' and the square arrangement of the four heads is unique. Otherwise, Numbers was commercially released on 7" only. Value in Europe would be UKP 20 or DM 60,- The US pressing of 'Ralf and Florian' is the most common of all pressings. (VEL-2008) It is a bit tricky to find a copy without a clipped cover corner. Value around UKP 20/DM 60,- Same applies to the US pressing of Autobahn on Vertigo - it was a hit, so it's quite common. Maybe UKP 12/DM 35,- Hope I could help. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:26:30 -0800 From: "J.T." Subject: (kw) ZKM MP3 - Ready to post song #2 [connect] Hello friends! Last week I posted an MP3 of ZKM song #1 to the Kraftwerk Active-K page. In a day or two I'll be changing this to song #2. So if you haven't downloaded the first song yet, get it today. I'll post a message when song #2 is ready to go! [disconnect] ;) - -John 'efofex' Talbert ______________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d "Continuing the tradition of the underground resonance" -f(x) featuring the electronica of 'EFOFEX' (debut CD now available!) http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:11:43 EST From: Niels242 Subject: (kw) Man-Machine Recreated Hi, I'm new on the mailing list, so first a big hello to everybody around. (and sorry if I use the service not correctly) I think that someone was looking for the Man-Machine Recreated CD?! Well, I have it and I am willing to sell (or exchange) it. By the way: German music magazine "BODYSTYLER" will start a Kraftwerk retrospective in issue 02/98 (No #22) which will be out 25th February...have a look at http://www.eclipse.de/bodystyler ...Europa endlos...Niels (Niels242@aol.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:03:54 EST From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: (kw) Greetings and questions... First of all I want to say hello and greetings to everyone else in this group...fellow Kraftwerk lovers! I'm coming to you from Warren, Michigan, USA (about 6km north of Detroit) Anyway, here are a few questions: 1) A while back in a used record store, I found (and grabbed) a CD called Kraftwerk 2 ($7 US - I considered it a bargain). It is number 941002 on the Germanofon label. All the liner notes, etc are in German. I really don't want to sell it, I particularly like the song Klingklang. But I would love to know exactly how common or rare this disk is...was it a US release (I don't think so). 2) I have heard of the disk "Ralf & Florian"...I believe I would like to get my hands on a copy, but my attempts to find one around here have been nil. Anybody know where I may be able to get one, or even a cassette copy of it - that would do, lacking the record itself. Thank you in advance for any and all help! Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com http://www.ameritech.net/users/huggy_bear/bearsville.html Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:36:16 +0000 From: Chris Lee Subject: Re: (kw) Greetings and questions... Bill Dobiesz wrote: > 1) A while back in a used record store, I found (and grabbed) a CD > called Kraftwerk 2 ($7 US - I considered it a bargain). It is number > 941002 on the Germanofon label. All the liner notes, etc are in German. > I really don't want to sell it, I particularly like the song Klingklang. > But I would love to know exactly how common or rare this disk is...was it > a US release (I don't think so). > > 2) I have heard of the disk "Ralf & Florian"...I believe I would like to > get my hands on a copy, but my attempts to find one around here have been > nil. Anybody know where I may be able to get one, or even a cassette > copy of it - that would do, lacking the record itself. I don't know about anywhere else in the world but here in the UK the albums KW, KW2 and R&F are available on CD at just about any half-decent record shop. Cheers, Chris Lee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:15:30 EST From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) what is this? 3777-KRAFTWERK VIRTU EX MACHINA CD (UK) 02/06/98 [$22.49] $19.95 Recorded for Tokyo radio in 1991. 3778-KRAFTWERK ROBOTRONIK UBERMENSCH CD (UK) 02/06/98 [$22.49] $19.95 Reworking of Menschmascine, Tour De France and also includes the incredibly rare Spanish Edit version of Sex Objekt. 3779-KRAFTWERK TOCCATA ELECTRONICA CD (UK) 02/06/98 [$22.49] $19.95 Mixes and alternate tracks. 3780-KRAFTWERK SCHONE NEUE WELT REMIX REMOD CD (UK) 02/06/98 [$22.49] $19.95 Mixes. besides the obvious, anyone have any background on these? thanks alot, tom w np: further mutations (lo recordings vol.4) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:34:48 +0100 (NFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) "Better Living Through Circuitry" Video Cleopatra have issued a press info for their forthcoming "Better Living Through Circuitry" video documentation, which is expected to feature an interview with Wolfgang Fluer: http://www.hallucinet.com/cleopatra/ravefilm.html Wolfgang Fluer is not mentioned in the press info, though. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:56:01 +0100 (NFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) New Michael Rother release? Excerpt from the Cleopatra release schedule (http://www.hallucinet.com/cleopatra/new.html): FEBRUARY 1998 2/3/98 * 0184 * MICHEAL ROTHER * Chonicals 1 * $15.98 * Purp Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:22:22 -0500 From: J Talbert Subject: Re: (kw) Greetings and questions... Bill Dobiesz wrote: > First of all I want to say hello and greetings to everyone else in this > group...fellow Kraftwerk lovers! I'm coming to you from Warren, > Michigan, USA (about 6km north of Detroit) > > Anyway, here are a few questions: > > 1) A while back in a used record store, I found (and grabbed) a CD > called Kraftwerk 2 ($7 US - I considered it a bargain). It is number > 941002 on the Germanofon label. All the liner notes, etc are in German. > I really don't want to sell it, I particularly like the song Klingklang. > But I would love to know exactly how common or rare this disk is...was it > a US release (I don't think so). > > 2) I have heard of the disk "Ralf & Florian"...I believe I would like to > get my hands on a copy, but my attempts to find one around here have been > nil. Anybody know where I may be able to get one, or even a cassette > copy of it - that would do, lacking the record itself. Wow! All of the Kraftwerk lovers in the metro Detroit area are really showing up here lately! :) Perhaps there really is a Kraftwerk concert in this area coming up soon! All the signs are there... ;) Lately so far I have seen the Ralf & Florian CD only at Record Time (Gratiot north of I-696) but it may well be available elsewhere. All of those releases on the Germanofon label are actually pirated copies from the LP versions (if you listen closely, you can hear the crackles from the source vinyl) and have actually appeared in stores such as Harmony House, etc. I have also seen these Germanofon releases for sale in some record collector catalogs for as much as $35.00 (including the elusive Tone Float CD), so $7.00 was a great deal. I've seen a couple of reasonably priced copies of the Ralf Und Florian LP at one of the monthly record fairs. Anyway I've got the "R & F" CD so if you want a cassette copy, just send your snail mail address to: mailto:jtalbert@ameritech.net Take care. -John ______________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d "Continuing the tradition of the underground resonance" Featuring the electronica of 'EFOFEX' (Debut "PROOF" now available!) Kraftwerk MIDI files http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:52:59 -0400 From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: (kw) Da bootleg report - part II - Tocatta Electronica Hello everybody!! Many thanks for the kind feedback I received from many list users for report part I !! :) Here I am with another Da bootleg report (now part II)... featuring: KRAFTWERK - TOCCATA ELECTRONICA bootleg that includes many tracks from mixed sources (other boots mainly) audio quality varies from track to track, but generally good. here are the details... Black front cover, with a girl's face closeup with some water? drops - yellowish back cover: "UNSER KUNDENDIENST EMPFIEHLT IHNEN: ERLESENE PROGRAMME AUS ZWEI DEKADEN" (sorry, no german translation...) 1. COMPUTER WORLD (ROBOTRON-MIX) 5.40 2. TOUR DE FRANCE (ORIG. 1983 KEVORKIAN EXT. 12" REMIX) 6.40 3. TECHNO POP (1983 VERSION) 4.37 4. METROPOLIS (MACHINE-VERSION) LIVE UTRECHT 10.12.81 5.35 5. THE MODEL (CATBONIC-MIX) 5.17 6. NEON LIGHTS (TON-UP-MIX) 5.23 7. POCKET CALCULATOR (EAST-WEST-MIX) 5.20 (??????) 8. ZEHN KLEINE NEGERLEIN 4.46 (???????) 9. RADIOACTIVITY (1991 KEVORKIAN 12" REMIX) 7.26 10. (DEMO) DIE ROBOTER (SPECIAL REMIX) 3.45 11. LES MANNEQUINS (ORIG. 1978 EXT. FRENCH REMIX) 6.04 12. DENTAKU (ORIG. 1981 EXT.-REMIX) 5.00 13. TOUR DE FRANCE (ORIG. 1983 GERMAN KLING KLANG VERSION) 6.45 14. STRATOVARIUS (LIVE BREMEN 21.7.71) 5.38 TAKEN FROM A JAPAN-ONLY-CD TOTAL TIME: 78" (!!!!) including the fake bar code: 4 007871 074501 - GEMA AAD STERO The back side cover includes small 4-member logo and the view of what I would define as 'something like a church' ?? Sorry, I did not watched all of my Story of Art classes... By the way, everything is black on yellow, letters on gray. The CD art is also good, featuring a close up of what looks like a panel of an analog synth, written: KRAFTWERK - KUNDENDIENST - GEMA/BIEM 1995. The numer on the back of the CD (those numbers used from the pressing plants) were sketched out (not discretly)... for safe? Even it has no name - like germanofon, klon, pingpong,... nothing at all. price paid (here in Brazil): US$ 25 (cheap value for bootlegs here...) it's now very hard (almost to impossible) to find this (here again)... notes: ***** Track 8 is very strange, it really don't sound KRAFTWERK... It has some sounds that appear to come from an old ROLAND MT-32, but also includes some kraftwerk samples... Anyone has info on this??? A friend of mine translated it as ' 10 little black boys'... is it right??!?!?!!? ***** Mr. Zaepke?!?! Surely this CD contains material from older bootlegs, but track 7 (3rd part remix) I did not heard before on any other bootleg... it's not wonderful, just different... One funny story about this is that some months after I bought it, specially because of track 12 (which on this CD was surely taken from vinyl or from the older 'WERKE' bootleg), I could get the japanese COMPUTER WORLD, that has the same track as a bonus, but not from vinyl - so, cristal clear quality!!! But that's ok... Track 14 was not taken from a JAPAN only CD as saind, but from LIVE IN BREMEN CD (21/06/1971) STARQUAKE SQ-06, surely not japanese... track 10 'appears' (I think) to be the same cut used for the videoclip... By for now... For the next 'Da bootleg report' - part III... it will be... "KRAFTWERK - TRIBAL GATHERING - LUTON 24/05/97 [DANCING HORSE DH010]" Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:24:52 +0100 From: "Michael Melzer" Subject: Re: (kw) Da bootleg report - part 1 Is the version Eduardo is referring to an edit of the version found on Eletric Cafe Edicion Espanola (6:51)? Michael Melzer (who was lucky enough to find this record in Roma, grazie Luca!) e-mail: michael.melzer@vienna.at ¿ Hay una discoteca por aquí ? - -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR An: Kraftwerk list Datum: Montag, 19. Jänner 1998 3:43 Betreff: (kw) Da bootleg report - part 1 >I just could found the following bootleg: > >* KRAFTWERK - ROBOTRONIK UBERMENSCH * > >It's a remix bootleg with an 'strange' 4min27s 'edited version' of Sex >Object sung in Spanish. >All tracks are good-to-excelent audio quality remixes, except Sex Object, >which was surely taken from vinyl (you can hear some 'pops' and 'scratchs' >- but it's ok). >Bonus track: >8. Sex Opbjekt - Spanish edit version - 4.27" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:04:03 -0800 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Spanish Fans please help.... I saw a message from: Ricardo Beccarini on Newsgroups: alt.music.techno > Hello friend > I don't speek inglish. > I keep the CD of KRAFTWERK. > Please contact to me : richi@sudnet.com.ar > > My name is Ricardo Beccarini from Argentina I believe he means he collects KRAFTWERK CDs. I wrote and gave him Fermin Goiriz's and Jose Garcia's -(AKTIVITAET en Espan`ol)- Email Addresses. - -(Please forgive me, I hope you guys don't mind. I just want to help a Fellow Fan in need....)- I am seeking other Spanish-Speaking Fans on the List to write to Ricardo and assist him with KW info. I wish I could speak Spanish- and EVery major language- so I could communicate fluently with EVeryone! It just goes to show that KW is truly Universally appealing! Also, I want to greet and Welcome Niels242, Bill Dobiesz, Greg Heil, Eric Knight, and all other new List Members! I hope the Links on my Page will help y'all get around the Net. Take care! =OHM SWEET OHM= ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ -(HomePage)- ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:16:43 -0500 (EST) From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) Greetings and questions... On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Bill Dobiesz wrote: > First of all I want to say hello and greetings to everyone else in this > group...fellow Kraftwerk lovers! I'm coming to you from Warren, > Michigan, USA (about 6km north of Detroit) Hey there...I'm writing from Ann Arbor (about 30km south, I believe). > Anyway, here are a few questions: > > 1) A while back in a used record store, I found (and grabbed) a CD > called Kraftwerk 2 ($7 US - I considered it a bargain). It is number > 941002 on the Germanofon label. All the liner notes, etc are in German. > I really don't want to sell it, I particularly like the song Klingklang. > But I would love to know exactly how common or rare this disk is...was it > a US release (I don't think so). This is a pretty rare find, and the price is exceptionally low. I've seen the Germanofon "bootlegs" (they are not authorized by Kraftwerk themselves) at a few of the more esoteric music stores here and in New York, and they're usually priced somewhere between $20-30. However, I don't think they're all that hard to get, as I have friends who have gotten all of the early albums through AB-CD online. For your information, "Kraftwerk 2" was the third album Our Heroes produced, still several years before "Autobahn." There were four albums pre-Autobahn: "Tone Float" (from when the band was still called Organisation), "Kraftwerk" (naturally), "Kraftwerk 2" and "Ralf and Florian." None of these have been released on CD officially, it is widely believed because Kraftwerk considers them to be too radically different from the style that made them famous. Fortunately for we completists, Germanofon have produced good-quality unauthorized copies of these albums. With the exception of "Tone Float" I find all of the early albums just as fascinating and enjoyable as their later work. In fact, some of my electronica-despising friends love "KW1&2" while they can't stand the later stuff. > 2) I have heard of the disk "Ralf & Florian"...I believe I would like to > get my hands on a copy, but my attempts to find one around here have been > nil. Anybody know where I may be able to get one, or even a cassette > copy of it - that would do, lacking the record itself. As I said, try AB-CD (www.ab-cd.com). A friend of mine acquired ALL of the Germanofon discs through them. I don't think you'll find them for $7, however! John Morgan "'One can't always be high.' Oh no? One The University of Michigan only has to properly orient oneself." jbmorgan@umich.edu --Walter Benjamin http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:24:28 -0800 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Greetings and questions... Bill Dobiesz writes: > 1) A while back in a used record store, I found (and grabbed) a CD > called Kraftwerk 2 ($7 US - I considered it a bargain). *WOW* That's a GOOD deal! I've found a few KW gems and other SYNTH artists real cheap, too. -(Used record bins, yard sales, thrift stores, etc....)- Keep your scanners on! :] ROBOSMILEY Oh- I saw a mention somewhere on one of the alt.music.synthpop or techno news groups about KRAFTWERK and Depeche Mode appearing in England somewhere on Feb 28th- is this for REAL?? I thought this "Festival" thing was schedualed in the Fall. Hm-m-m.... 'Still awaiting the *NEW* Album....*sigh*.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:35:54 -0800 From: "J.T." Subject: (kw) Server problems >>> Subject: Your zip file to download Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:30:40 -0800 From: llacost@juno.com (Larry R LaCost Jr.) To: jtalbert@ameritech.net I have tried many times to download your KW zip file. Unfortunately the "fortunecity" server is not responding and therefore we have been unable to download the file. Can you leave this file on a little while longer until we can enjoy what you've done Thanks Larry R. LaCost Jr. <<< Sure. No problem! ;-) If anyone else is/was having problems downloading this file from the Active-K page at resonance underground, I apologize. Not much I can actually do though, since the fortunecity server is free. (I thought they had all these performance/reliability problems ironed out.) Either way, I'll go ahead and keep up the .ZIP file of ZKM new song #1 until next week to give everyone a chance to get it. Anyone who doesn't have it by Sunday night who still wants it should simply send me and email so that I can try and accomodate you. [Editorial mode=ON] Here's a troubling thought: Why should we Kraftwerk fans be forced to scavenge and hunt for their music? Crawling from web site to record show to bootleg vendor just to get a fix on their newest werk? Fans of other groups still do it the old fashioned way - they walk into a record store and BUY the music! Why are we punished so??? What have we done to deserve this?? [Editorial mode=OFF] OK, enough joking about a serious matter... ;) Take care everyone. - -John 'efofex' Talbert ______________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d "Continuing the tradition of the underground resonance" -f(x) featuring the electronica of 'EFOFEX' [Debut CD now available!] http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:12:45 -0800 From: llacost@juno.com (Larry R LaCost Jr.) Subject: (kw) A Numan Original >From Cleopatra's site at: http://www.hallucinet.com/cleopatra/update/numanbio2.html >>Numan's latest, Exile, is a return to the electronic chill of his earlier work, and is already receiving praise in the British press, who are calling it his best work to date. 1998 will prove to be the busiest year yet for Numan. In addition to the release of Exile, he is set to release a remix album entitled The Mix.>> The Mix? How original... Larry R. LaCost Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:10:40 -0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) A Numan Original >> Sorry, have to disagree here. I too am a long time Numan fan (from the >> Valerian days), it is true that the new Exile LP is dark, but that is >> because it is almost supernatural in it's theme, the devil and god being the >> same! I do not find the material to be anywhere near his best or his older >> electronic style. In fact IMHO I think Gary needs to be more creative if >> anything, the same guitar riffs and repetitive drum patterns on the Exile >> album are almost comical in how juvenile they are. I can produce better >> sounding rhythms from the drum machine on my mixer at home!! >> >> I think that ever since Gary has stopped using real musicians like Cedric >> Sharpley on drums, his music has suffered. I mean Gary used to obviously >> have great ideas and good musicians on his tracks, but now,.......well, I >> think he is probably ridding the crest of a small wave which has arisen >> purely from other artists in the industry finally giving him the respect he >> deserves for the influence he has had on the modern music scene. >> >> In conclusion, all good things come to an end, Gary is still a great >> performer live but as regards new music, I think it's either time to give up >> or seriously think about what he is doing. >> >> Craig. >> >> PS. I will still be at the Numan convention, which ideally for me is in my >> home town!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:35:44 -0000 From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) A Numan Original >>From Cleopatra's site at: >http://www.hallucinet.com/cleopatra/update/numanbio2.html > >>>Numan's latest, Exile, is a return to the electronic chill of his >earlier work, and is already receiving praise in the British press, who >are calling it his best work to date. 1998 will prove to be the busiest >year yet for Numan. In addition to the release of Exile, he is set to >release a remix album entitled The Mix.>> > >The Mix? How original... > er, I think you'll find that the naming policy on that album is down to cleopatra. If my indications are correct, that release will be identical to the UK release 'Random 1' Anyways, do Kraftwerk have a copyright on the phrase 'the mix' and more importantly (sic) were they the first to use it? Julsey # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:58:29 -0000 From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk IRC Channel on DALnet well, It's about that time where we welcome all the new members to this list and hope they've found what they are looking for on this thing we call the Internet. For all you folks who don't know about it, we have an IRC (Internet Relay Chat) channel specifically for Kraftwerk fans on the DALnet network. We have a regular bunch of about 15-20 people who come in from time to time to chat about almost anything, and sometimes, just sometimes, we talk about Kraftwerk ;-) We've met up with some interesting folks from all over the world, and shared numerous facts. figures and gossip about Kraftwerk and other synth bands. The channel is Run by our own Scott Barnhill, and I co-operate it when he is not online, and everybody is welcome. For more info, please see the link below, or email either myself or Scott (nebulous@erols.com) who will be happy to give advice. Get interactive! ciao, - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- Jules Seifert #kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:29:09 +1100 From: "Chris Sossi" Subject: (kw) HELP! Hello Kraftwerk fans! I am a fan from Australia, and I am finding it very difficult to obtain various Kraftwerk items such as 12" and bootlegs. I have all the released albums, 2x12", and one double bootleg and that's it. Any Kraftwerk item I come across I don't have, I buy but that's very rare down under to come across Kraftwerk items. I get jealous when you talk about various Kraftwerk tracks and I don't have them, it's so frustrating! I have never seen a Kraftwerk video clip or any live footage! I seem to be the only Kraftwerk fan in Australia, I'm sure there are many but I've never come across one yet here. My question to you Kraftwerk fans out there is a cry for help, can anyone copy onto minidisc any Kraftwerk items I don't have? Also any Kraftwerk on video? I would supply all minidisc and video tapes and would be happy to pay a fee for your services. If no one has minidisc I could live with cassettes. Sorry to bother you all with my problems! Regards Chris jmjarre@dynamite.com.au ................................................... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:28:00 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) HELP! Chris Sossi wrote: > > that's very rare down under to come > across Kraftwerk items. I get jealous when you talk about various Kraftwerk > tracks and I don't have them, it's so frustrating! I have never seen a > Kraftwerk video clip or any live footage! I seem to be the only Kraftwerk > fan in Australia, I'm sure there are many but I've never come across one > yet here. Are you the last survivor of some aborigene tribe wandering across the bush in search for tracks of the Great Ancestors ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:00:51 +0100 From: "Charlie Crash" <909@iname.com> Subject: (kw) Back from the Syntax Error Had some seriouz bugs in my puter - Reinstalled and back on line for KRAFTWERK only! ///CC =AE0|=E1=D1=F0 =86r=AD 909@iname.com (no I haven't got one! - yes I want= to buy one!) http://home6.swipnet.se/~w-62549 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:26:22 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Old Vibrations - part ???? As I didn't have anything to do but watch my computer compute non-stop some 3D stuff for the last 72 hours (why am I always getting lost in such irrelevant details ?) I browsed some old magazines and found an interview of Ralf from the MIX tour which I had forgotten (the interview). So I decided to translate it and post it. This interview by Jay Remi was named "Pioneers" and was published in french mag BEST #280 Nov. 91. Nothing really new : only some corporate Kling-Klang blah-blah, along with the usual America bashing. - ---------------- Our last album "The MIX" is in some ways a live album since we've been reprograming all those songs for the last 5 years for the present tour. We have re-sampled all our sounds because the originals were unusable (the tapes were too old). And since the studio is our musical instrument, we had to get it ready to take it on the road. This spontaneous vision that we had has become a common approach these days, but it's really the announcement of a new starting point in the music field. But it is true that for many years very few people (and especially NOT our record company) believed in us, except for a small special audience. It's only in 1975 that hits began to arrive with "Autobahn". The idea of this show is to offer a show half-movie, half-discotheque. The "Gesamtkunstwerk" : a piece of art 100% multimedia. Everyone understands that now, but in the past we got lots of critics from the Americans. In that country where rock n'roll monopolizes everything, culture is reactionary and uniform. Henceforth the perspectives for the future can be seen mostly in Europe. The "Trans Europe Express" is an idea that we got quite a while back. Of course, we feel very German, but only in the european meaning of the word. Lyrism, the idea of the music from our country (classical music) has influenced us, but without forcing us to admire any specific hero (except perhaps for Beethoven for we come from the same area). Nationalities are getting lost, it's not important, but every country has the duty to develop its own personnality. As I said to another magazine : country music is a form of art which comes straight from daily life in Texas. It has nothing to do with daily life in Dusseldorf. Just like chinese or australian music, we have always considered our music as a form of ethnic music. We have a huge collection of analog synths. Not so long ago we couldn't even find anyone to buy them, so we stacked them in the cellar. But a couple of years ago, we started to bring them back to the studio. I remember very well buying my first mini-moog and the price was similar to a Volkswagen. It was very expensive ! It's the same with samplers, now they're very affordable. At the moment people are moving from those albums of musical "collages" (sampling) to what I call "the second phase" that goes deeper into experimentation. That's what we're working at these days. We're members of this post-war generation that tried to build something else and to give a rebirth to German culture. We tried to remain artistic and popular at the same time. We were afraid to think too much and drift away from the people. Because the most important is to communicate, to keep moving, with trains, cars, computers. It's not good to stay static. That's why we work everyday in our Kling-Kland studio. We start generally around 3 pm for convenience reasons with the technicians, and we don't stop until 5 am. And then sometimes we end up the night in Frankfurt (90 minutes away with the highway) in that techno club in order to relax a little bit. We have always been nighclubbing because in Germany very few bands play live, records have always been more important. In the 70's, it was disco and black music, but we have always been listening to everything, really. We have always been fascinated by Dance, this way of life, "express yourself", everybody's own style, it's wonderful. Of course, it's getting harder and harder to write songs. Sound has become the substitute for them. And even if our compositions still feature some melody, it's only tiny bits that we conjugate, repeat and turn away. The image that we present to the listener is multiple, and has various meanings according to his own personality. While the classic pop/rock is very literary, with huge lyrics. But why do we still need lyrics ? There's nothing to say. And by the way, everything has been said already, no ? Of course, we have often thought of producing other people but never got the time or the necessary energy. We must know how to keep working on our thing and to keep in progress. Some musicians have enjoyed what we did and have used it for their own evolution, that's good. It forces us to keep in progress and to keep marching on. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:32:08 -0500 From: philip manger Subject: (kw) puss n' boots Hi all. I'm new on the list, but I've been listening to KW since I fell in love with Tour De France back 14 or so short years ago. Anyway, I have a favor to ask. I'm always looking to buy bootlegs (either dj type remixes or live shows) on vinyl or CD of KW. If anyone has any for sale or knows of a good source for them, please email me privately at Thanks very much in advance. - -philip # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:23:21 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) For fans of Pierre Henry only ! Since some of you have expressed interest in the pics of P. Henry, I thought you might be interested in the following as well. yesterday at the local book shop I came across JADE, a french mag about "comics, noises and b-movies" (sic). The last issue features an interview of P. Henry. The journalist plays different dance/electronic stuff and asks for Henry's opinion. And guess what : guess which stuff he's mostly trashing (or at least saying "I don't like that very much") ? Aphex Twin, Chemical Brothers, Daft Punk and DJ Shadow. Of course, he elaborates a little bit. And it's not the opinion of some bitter old guy. Roughly he says that repetition per se is not = interesting, because it's only the machines limitations. One cannot claim artistic expression when it's only technology limits. There must be some creative approach on top of it. A few sentences at random : "I find this simplistic (...) these musics, it's a product whose mould is well defined, it's specific. It works because it's extremly simple, and it works on simple individuals (...) I would say that I make dance music during which one is not supposed to dance. (...) Here is a phenomenon which is not new, but which is actually the quintessence of music : it starts with a cyclic cell, then a second one, then a third one... And the whole thing leads to a repetitive element that I find monotone.(...) It's the kind of thing that I have always tried to avoid, except when I was making soundtracks for advertising movies for the money". Which stuff does he likes (or at least finds interesting) in what the journalist played ? Tortoise, Pascal Comelade, the Residents. Please note that the above doesn't implies that I admire and/or praise P.H. I think he committed a fair amount of boring "pling-plong- zeep" concrete stuff in the 60s & 70s. A funny thing is that a few months back I found a copy of another mag (GET TRANSPORTED) and P.H. was on the cover and qualified as "the oldest DJ alive". Can you imagine worst crap ? And inside, a few DJs (Dimitri, Matt Black of Cold Cut) were praising him, saying what an influence he had been on their work. But none seemed to be able to name any of his works, apart from the well-known (and tired) Messe Pour le Temps Pr=E9sent composed in 68 with M. Colombier. Actually, the whole debate is not really new. I remember that in the early 70s, after the release of Ceremony (Henry's collaboration with pop/rock band Spooky Tooth), he used to tell the press that he didn't give a shit about pop/rock. The only thing in which he was interested was the raw & powerfull grain of sound of electrically amplified instruments ! Another funny thing is that among the picts from 1970, there's one of = P.H. at home in a room with the walls covered with hundreds of tapes, and in the article he explains how he stores and indexes all the sounds he creates for using in future compositions, using a system of index cards on paper. And in the recent JADE issue, there's a new picture of him at home, and the wall behind him is covered with the same tapes, and in the = corner you can see the same index cards in their little box ! jeez ! I love that ! Thanx for your attention. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #37 ******************************