From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #38 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Saturday, January 24 1998 Volume 02 : Number 038 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:40:36 -0500 From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) conflicting data ...okay, i'm officially confused. kraftwerk "1" and 2 are available all over england in any record shop (on cd)? the same is true of ralf and florian? are these the discussed "bootlegs"? or actual authorized cds? either way, i'm interested, (since, heck, there's no other way for me to hear them!), but, i'm curious, just for my own info. if there are official versions, i'd prefer them. comments? fred # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:13:00 -0000 From: Mike Pitt Subject: RE: (kw) conflicting data >>>From: Fred_Harding@idx.com >>>...okay, i'm officially confused. kraftwerk "1" and 2 are available all >>>over england in any record shop (on cd)? the same is true of ralf and >>>florian? And Organisation's Tonefloat is readily available at such outlets as Virgin Megastores. >>>are these the discussed "bootlegs"? or actual authorized cds? They are bootlegs. >>>either way, i'm interested, (since, heck, there's no other way for me to >>>hear them!),but, i'm curious, just for my own info. if there are official >>>versions, i'd prefer them. comments? In terms of sound quality they are pretty good considering that they are sourced from vinyl and the packaging is professional too. Given the choice go for the Germanofon labelled cd's for good sound rather than the other versions (although some contain bonus tracks). Mike. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:20:19 +0000 From: Chris Lee Subject: Re: (kw) conflicting data Fred_Harding@idx.com wrote: > ...okay, i'm officially confused. kraftwerk "1" and 2 are available all > over england in any record shop (on cd)? the same is true of ralf and > florian? > are these the discussed "bootlegs"? or actual authorized cds? either way, > i'm interested, (since, heck, there's no other way for me to hear them!), > but, i'm curious, just for my own info. if there are official versions, i'd > prefer them. comments? These CDs are the Germanofon bootlegs discussed previously in this group. They are actually recorded from the original, official vinyl recordings that I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) were only released in Germany and have not been available for some time. I didn't realise that us UK Kraftwerk fans were so lucky, I guess I just take Nottingham's excellent record shops for granted! Cheers, Chris Lee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:35:05 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) conflicting data Chris Lee wrote: > > I didn't realise that us UK Kraftwerk fans were so > lucky, I guess I just take Nottingham's excellent record shops for granted! > Well, no more than other fans I guess, since I've seen these CDs in several french shops, as well as some CD mailorder WEB sites such as CDNOW, and even at Towers records in Bangkok. BTW, for our broke fellow list members, early KW items (up to EC) were on sale (around 10 $) at CDNOW a couple of weeks ago. And not Cleopatra stuff, but Elektra edition for CW and Warner for EC. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:30:17 -0800 From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: (kw) some remarks and answers hi, after a couple of lazy and busy weeks i'm back on the list with some comments to to recently asked questions: > The following two old multi-artist 2-LP compilations are said to > feature Kraftwerk tracks: > - - "Hit Jumbo" > - - "Dance Max Vol. 6" > Are there any more details about Kraftwerk's contributions known > (track titles, edits/versions etc.)? DoLP EMI Elektrola 186-7982001 DoCD EMI Elektrola 686-7982002 DoMC EMI Elektrola 286-7982004 kraftwerk-title: radioactivity (francois kevorkian remix) 7:26 > I have learned that a Kraftwerk-bootleg called "ZKM" is out, recorded from > the Mediale 5-festival in Karlsruhe October 18th. 1997. Can anyone say something > about the quality of the recording, and where it may be purchased? quality is excellent, you can find it on german record-fairs for approx. 55,-DM (30$, 20 GBP) > I have recently purchased a 12" copy of The Robots. > (Not Unusual) This is an advance promotion copy marked "not for sale" > The number on the record is 12EMDJ 192. Can anyone tell me how rare this > is, it has a blank B side. it's pretty easy to find that record in great britain, i've seen it in london (sister ray?) for 10 GBP, i've bought it from a british mail order service for 8 GBP but it's not that easy to find it in germany. btw, there is a one-sided promo of '91-version of radioactivity as well, 12 EMDJ 201 > Last weekend I picked up a couple of unusual Kraftwerk LPs, and I was > wondering if somebody on the list knew how rare they were. > > The first is a promotional version of COMPUTER WORLD, featuring just > "Numbers" and "Computer World" on the first side, and "Computer Love" on > the second. The album cover features the (poorly-drawn) faces of the > Fantastic Four on both sides, with KRAFTWERK in English on one side and in > Japanese on the other. do you have more info on that (catalogue number, track time etc.)? is it the warner promo SPRO 973? > Does anyone here know this 12-inch: > BEAT BOX > Between The Sheets > Late Night Radio Show 8.40 > > Late Night Radio Show (?)/Trans Europe Express/The Model/Autobahn/Chariots Of Fire > (!...)/The Robots/Radio Activity > > It contains the same medley-version on both sides and sounds like a production in > the "Stars on 45"-stile. > (Was it worth the money I paid for it or is it absolutely ...) ? wow, there is a second one! i've bought my copy in the early 80's for a few bucks (don't know how much you've paid), but i've never seen it again. number for collectors: bootlegs 281154/d cover: back picture sleeve of the radioactivity-lp in yellow + the four red shirts/black ties from the man machine-cover (no faces, only the shirts) my copy has an additional sticker "produced by mauro micheloni", the time of the track on both sides is 7:50 regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:44:59 -0400 From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: (kw) Da bootleg report - part 1 Hello everybody! I just could found the following bootleg: * KRAFTWERK - ROBOTRONIK UBERMENSCH * It's a remix bootleg with an 'strange' 4min27s 'edited version' of Sex Object sung in Spanish. All tracks are good-to-excelent audio quality remixes, except Sex Object, which was surely taken from vinyl (you can hear some 'pops' and 'scratchs' - - but it's ok). cover: Huetter's face close-up from his mannequin (?) - dark/yellow back: mixing board + flying notes from Musique non stop video clip + "Die Digitale Diktatur Programmiert: 1. Metropolis - Fritz Lang-Mix - 9.20 2. The Robots - Funktionars-Mix - 12.10 3. The Model - Ko-Remix - 10.28 4. Neonlights - Schadow-Mix - 10.30 5. Spacelab - Seven-up-Mix - 9.29 6. The Man Machine - Vorwarts Marsch!Mix - 10.49 7. Tour de France - Arc de Triumphe-Mix - 7.27 Bonus track: 8. Sex Opbjekt - Spanish edit version - 4.27" total time: 74.38. also it was written (very funny!): Ping Pong Produkt 1997 - Ingenieure: Ralf H=FCtter und Florian Schneider (C)1997 DATA KONTROL - GEMA - AAD STERO - barcode: 9 758696 884749. code on the CD - DD01. backcover: mannequins body with Musique non stop clip heads + notes flying. art on the disc: red faces from the ManMachine original art + text "Die Digitale Diktatur - The Digital Dictatorship" Price paid (here in Brazil): R$ 30 ( aprox. US$ 32) *** Attention ! **** This bootleg has the same remixes as the older bootleg "The Man Machine Recreated" - but with diferent mixe name - the track times are almost the same (max. 1 to 5s difference of silence in/out)! Look: The Man Machine Recreated - older bootleg: 1. The Robots - Space Strings mix - 12.14 2. The Model - German-model mix - 10.30 3. Spacelab - shuttle mix - 9.31 4. Metropolis - lost town mix - 9.25 5. Neonlights - stratosphear mix - 10.32 6. The Man Machine - forward march! mix - 10.55 7. Tour de France - arrivee mix - 7.29 (total time: 70.48) these days is simply impossible to find "The Man Machine Recreated" bootleg here! *** PLEASE **** Could some vinyl fan verify if really exists 'officially' some "edit version" of 4.27 of Sex Object in Spanish?? I personally think that it's not an official edit... If anyone is interested in EXCHANGING bootlegs, please email me privately. I can get 'original' copies of Robotronik Ubermensch, Remix-remodel, Tour de trance, some german language issues, cleopatra older issues, even Elektric Music singles... or I can get CD-R copies + color photocopies of the art inserts of harder-to-find boots... But just for EXCHANGING bootlegs, no money. I'm looking for MANY bootlegs, including older and new ones, specially live material - please e-mail me at >> avellar@softhome.net <<< On the next 'Da bootleg report - part 2' I will describe KRAFTWERK - TOCCATA ELECTRONICA. A big embrace to everybody 'till that! Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:24:36 PST From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Media Center Update (Videos) The Kraftwerk Media Center has been updated! In this update the Kraftwerk VR images have been animated. Available in QuickTime and RealVideo, this is a 3 minute 3D animated movie, never before seen! You can still get all these videos in RealVideo format: (they have been re-encoded) Taschenrechner Live, Homecomputer Live, Tomorrows World Robot Clip, Trans Europa Express, The Robots 1978, The Robots 1991, Musique Non Stop, Numbers Live, The Model, Radioactivity, Das Model and Autobahn. If you don’t have the URL: http://www.dragonfire.net/~petenet/kraftwerk Stay tuned for an announcement about a move to a faster server! Peter Liethen pliethen@globaldialog.com http://www.dragonfire.net/~petenet ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 01:17:25 -0700 From: "Greg Heil" Subject: (kw) Hello Everyone! Hello! I'm a new subscriber to this list and enjoy the Kraftwerk sound, but I also like to discuss things about the music that arn't so noticable. I also like Tangerine Dream, at least some eras of their music.. so... here I am :) Just another neruon on the big network of mother brain Earth. Greg H. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:02:24 From: Tandi Gabor Subject: (kw) hello Hello Everyone! First of all, sorry for my poor English. I'm quite new on this list. I've been a Hungarian KW fan since the MM was released. I'd like to ask some questions. I have a CD from KW that you haven't mentioned here. It's title is 'HYPER CEREBRAL MACHINE'. Does anyone have it? The cover says: 'Recorded at the apollo theatre, Firenze, Italy May 19th 1981.' There are 14 tracs on it. 1 - Numbers - 4'52" 2 - Computer World - 5'38" 3 - Computer Love - 7'18" 4 - Home Computer - 5'48" 5 - The Model - 2'49" 6 - Neon Lights - 9'28" 7 - Geiger Counter - 1'31" 8 - Radioactivity - 4'25" 9 - The Voice Of Energy - 2'45" 10 - Trans Europe Express - 10'20" 11 - The Hall Of Mirrors - 3'57" 12 - Show Room. - 6'52" 13 - Pocket Calculator - 5'43" 14 - The Robots - 7'27" 'Men at work is a division of Vox Populi. Printed in Italy by Phonocomp' The sound quality on this CD is extremely poor. :( I think it was recorded by someone from the audience. You can hear the the audience talking in the background (sometimes louder than the music). It's quality is the same as one of my friend made in Budapest (29. nov. 1991) by (with?) a walkman-like device. I wonder if anybody could tell me something about this. Q2. :) I downloaded the TDF.MP3 (6.5 MB) from http://www.gunnar.net/kraftwerk/ but I can't play it. I've tried Cubic Player, XTC player, and another one. This mp3 seem to wrong. Sometimes during playing my computer rebooted. :( Can anybody tell me what the problem can be? I can play other mp3-s without any problem. Does it require a different player? What do you suggest? (DOS, WIN3.11) If the problem is in this mp3, where else can tdf.mp3 be found on the net? I badly need it, 'cause I couldn't find it anywhere on CD, even in Germany. Q3. I wasn't able to download the three new KW songs from http://www.glennherman.com When trying I got a *.ram, which size was about 35 byte. Q4. Is that true, that Karl Bartos is originally Hungarian? Thats all for now. :) CU hali: Gabiqua ------------------------------------------------------------- | Tandi Gabor, | mailto:gabiqua@mail.matav.hu | | HUNGARY Paks | mailto:gabiqua@npp.hu | | FidoNet: 2:371/20.2 | mailto:gabiqua@bedrock.fido.hu | | ICQ UIN: 4746581 | mailto:gabiqua@freemail.c3.hu | ------------------------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:55:15 +0000 From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER STUDENT" Subject: (kw) Discography Greetings to all list members, a new Kraftwerk/Related/Bootlegs Diskography is now available on the following page: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/3713/discogra.html Bye, Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:53:16 -0500 From: J Talbert Subject: Re: (kw) hello Tandi Gabor wrote: > I downloaded the TDF.MP3 (6.5 MB) from http://www.gunnar.net/kraftwerk/ > but I can't play it. I've tried Cubic Player, XTC player, and another one. > This mp3 seem to wrong. Sometimes during playing my computer rebooted. :( > Can anybody tell me what the problem can be? I can play other mp3-s without > any problem. > Does it require a different player? What do you suggest? (DOS, WIN3.11) > If the problem is in this mp3, where else can tdf.mp3 be found on the net? > I badly need it, 'cause I couldn't find it anywhere on CD, even in Germany. More than likely the servre the MP3 was uploaded to has corrupted the MP3 file. If the server is notspecifically configured to handle certain file types, they are treated incorrectly when downloaded. I have experienced this problem with certain servers with not only MP3 files but also MIDI files. If the person who posted the original MP3 can repost it as a ZIP file, it should download properly (most servers handle ZIP format correctly)Kindest regards,-John 'efofex' Talbert ______________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d "Continuing the tradition of the underground resonance" -f(x) Featuring the electronica of 'EFOFEX' [Yes, the debut CD "PROOF" is NOW available!] http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:29:44 -0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Discography >a new Kraftwerk/Related/Bootlegs Diskography is now available on the >following page: > >http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/3713/discogra.html Well many thanks to all involved with the lists on the above web site, it's truly a wealth of information. Does anyone actually own all of those items listed?!! I think that there may be some items missing, or maybe I just didn't see them when I looked! I have those Remake 12 inch's, one on red, the other on pink marble effect vinyl. Also in the bootlegs I couldn't see a double album I have called 'Return of Die Mensch Maschine'. This is a live LP on vinyl (2 x 12) in an envelope style cardboard sleeve, the artwork is in black and white and is very reminiscent of the 'Metropolis' style. It is KW live in 1991. Cheers, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:39:31 -0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Who's coming in March...... ........to the event of the year! The Numan convention in my own fair City of Milton Keynes will take place on Saturday March 7, people from all over will be coming, in fact a fellow Numan fan and penpal of mine from California, USA is actually staying with me for this event. Should be great, especially as it will be in licensed premises and will run from 12:00 until 01:00 am!! (Good excuse for a drink if I ever saw one!!). Get your 80's kit out for this one. Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:10:08 EST From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: (kw) A couple of questions... I have a few questions: 1) Has anyone else heard the song V-2 Schneider by David Bowie? It is on the album "Heroes" . He wrote it as a tribute to Kraftwerk, after they mentioned his name in Trans-Europe Express. (still waiting to see something to Kraftwerk from Iggy Pop) In fact, most of side 2 of that album seems to be "Kraftwerk inspired". It is the only David Bowie record in my collection...the rest of his stuff never really apealed to me all that much. 2) on the Kraftwerk and Kraftwerk 2 albums, Florian Schneider's name is given as Florian Schneider-Esleben. Anyone know why this is? 3) The way I got into Kraftwerk is a dissertation in itself, but suffice it to say that I was at somebody's house and they had "The Mix" cd on...I loved it (I had heard Kraftwerk before, in the late 70's and did not like them at all...I know, hard to believe). Anyway, without anyone else around here to play it, I've gotten the records myself, played them myself and developed my own tastes for what I liked best. I would love to hear what tracks anyone else likes. These are my favorites: 1) Klingklang 2) Vom Himmel Hoch 3) Autobahn (of course) 4) Komettenmelodie 2 5) Morgenspaziergang 6) Radioland 7) Airwaves 8) News (it sounds like I think...this fits me) 9) Antenna 10) Ohm Sweet Ohm 11) Endless Endless 12) The Model 13) Les Mannequins (French version of Showroom Dummies) 14) Computer Love 15) Metal On Metal (version from "The Mix" album) That's about all I can think of to talk about at the moment... Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 Now Playing: Kraftwerk - Antenna # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:37:50 -0800 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) A couple of questions... > From: Bill Dobiesz > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) A couple of questions... > Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 9:10 AM > > 1) Has anyone else heard the song V-2 Schneider by David Bowie? Yeah, I found the Heroes CD used for $7 or $8 bucks- it's EXcellent! :] > 2) on the Kraftwerk and Kraftwerk 2 albums, Florian Schneider's name is > given as Florian Schneider-Esleben. Anyone know why this is? Oh, boy! Juicy Tid-Bits! Here we go again.... - -(Just in case everyone doesn't already know these Factoids.)- Eva Maria Esleben is Florian's Mother's maiden name. His Father, Paul, is a famous Architect and I think he also uses the hyphenated last name of Schneider-Esleben, and so do Florian's sisters, Claudia and Tina - -(Christina?)-. Florian's DOB is Apr 7, '47. 'Don't know why he dropped "Esleben". Brevity, I guess. -(Do NOT remind me that he's supposedly m*rried to a Sandhya Whaley, aka: The LUCKIEST Woman in The Universe, *GRRR*, with a daughter about 5 years old by now, I guess.)- *sigh* BTW: Ralf's DOB is Aug 20, '46, his Father is a Doctor, and he has one sister that I know of. Apparently Ralf is still single, living with his sister & her family. 'Sketchy details in various Articles as well as Pascal Bussy's BooK, 'KRAFTWERK: Man, Machine, and Music'. Fun reading, but, take it with a grain of salt, eh? "....all the various facts and rumors about KRAFTWERK gathered in one place." > 3) The way I got into Kraftwerk is a dissertation in itself. TELL me about it! I could write a BOOK about the way they reached inside my brain and scrambled my Positronic pathways.*YOWZA*. Hm-m, interesting choice of fave tunes. The Early Years, eh? KooL. I still love Die ROBOTER best, but, ALL of their material is Wunderbar! Oh- is everyone else getting some List messages again a few days later? Or is it just my Server?? strange. Poltergeists in my Email Box.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:40:00 +0000 From: Chris Lee Subject: Re: (kw) A couple of questions... Bill Dobiesz wrote: > 2) on the Kraftwerk and Kraftwerk 2 albums, Florian Schneider's name is > given as Florian Schneider-Esleben. Anyone know why this is? Because that's his name! He shortened it later on for reason's probably only known to himself. Cheers, Chris Lee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:45:40 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) hello Re: (kw) hello Tandi Gabor wrote: > > Hello Everyone! > > First of all, sorry for my poor English. > > I'm quite new on this list. I've been a Hungarian KW fan since the MM was > released. Welcome to the list, mein freund-maschine. > I'd like to ask some questions. > > I have a CD from KW that you haven't mentioned here. It's title is 'HYPER > CEREBRAL MACHINE'. Does anyone have it? > > The cover says: 'Recorded at the apollo theatre, Firenze, Italy May 19th > 1981.' I have it too, like several other list members I guess. I found it in Singapore a few years back. The funny thing is that when I proceeded to the counter to buy it, the girl said "Excuse me sir, but I have to warn you : this is a bootleg !". Actually, in the early 80s I found a double vinyl bootleg of a KW gig in Italy during the CW tour. AFAIR, the sleeve was plain yellow (same yellow as the official CW album) and didn't feature much info. And the sound quality was poor too, so I think the CD you mention is the same recording. Hope it helps... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:34:59 +0000 From: Chris Lee Subject: (kw) MTV Music non-stop I realise that this may have come up before but I need to settle an argument.. Is the MTV Music non-stop theme by KW or not? There, I said it. Ridicule me for my lack of knowledge if you like :-) If it is by them then when did they, why did they etc? Cheers, Chris Lee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:19:07 -0500 From: Regor@webtv.net (R. D.) Subject: Re: (kw) Old Vibrations-part???? Many thanks to "jbv" for providing us with another great "old interview" with KW. It always give me great PLEASURE to read what the members of KW think in addition to the PLEASURE I have to listen to their music. When the member of KW says: "the most important is to communicate, to keep moving...", I can relate completely to that even though I am "Canadian" and they admit to be very "German" in their way of making music and expressing themselves. BTW "jbv", I have the feeling that you are also a FRANK ZAPPA's music fan. Am I right? - -- Roger. Regor@webtv.net rd411@yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:10:08 EST From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: (kw) A couple of questions... I have a few questions: 1) Has anyone else heard the song V-2 Schneider by David Bowie? It is on the album "Heroes" . He wrote it as a tribute to Kraftwerk, after they mentioned his name in Trans-Europe Express. (still waiting to see something to Kraftwerk from Iggy Pop) In fact, most of side 2 of that album seems to be "Kraftwerk inspired". It is the only David Bowie record in my collection...the rest of his stuff never really apealed to me all that much. 2) on the Kraftwerk and Kraftwerk 2 albums, Florian Schneider's name is given as Florian Schneider-Esleben. Anyone know why this is? 3) The way I got into Kraftwerk is a dissertation in itself, but suffice it to say that I was at somebody's house and they had "The Mix" cd on...I loved it (I had heard Kraftwerk before, in the late 70's and did not like them at all...I know, hard to believe). Anyway, without anyone else around here to play it, I've gotten the records myself, played them myself and developed my own tastes for what I liked best. I would love to hear what tracks anyone else likes. These are my favorites: 1) Klingklang 2) Vom Himmel Hoch 3) Autobahn (of course) 4) Komettenmelodie 2 5) Morgenspaziergang 6) Radioland 7) Airwaves 8) News (it sounds like I think...this fits me) 9) Antenna 10) Ohm Sweet Ohm 11) Endless Endless 12) The Model 13) Les Mannequins (French version of Showroom Dummies) 14) Computer Love 15) Metal On Metal (version from "The Mix" album) That's about all I can think of to talk about at the moment... Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 Now Playing: Kraftwerk - Antenna # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:53:07 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Old Vibrations-part???? R. D. wrote: > > Many thanks to "jbv" for providing us with another great "old interview" > with KW. Are you a groupie ? > When the member of KW says: "the most important is to communicate, to > keep moving...", I can relate completely to that even though I am > "Canadian" and they admit to be very "German" in their way of making > music and expressing themselves. Well, when in 91 Ralf says "Because the most important is to communicate, to keep moving, with trains, cars, computers.", I also hear something like "hey, here we are, remember us ? Even if we didn't produce anything new for the past 6 years, we were called "pionneers" 15 years ago... Don't you remember ? We also released a few things called TEE, Autobahn and Computer World..." > BTW "jbv", I have the feeling that you are also a FRANK ZAPPA's music > fan. Am I right? > eh ? uh ? What makes you think so ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 19:55:50 +0100 From: Gunnar R Johansson Subject: (kw) TDF.ZIP 98-01-22 14.53 J Talbert skrev: >If the person who posted the original MP3 can repost it as a ZIP file, it >should download properly I have changed the mp3-file at http://www.gunnar.net It is now an zip-file (of Tour de France). Regards /Gunnar - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Gunnar R Johansson http://www.gunnar.net gunnar@gunnar.net - --------"Humoristisk grabb i n=E4tsv=E4ngen" - Internetguiden = 1/98-------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:39:52 -0700 (MST) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) hello On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, J Talbert wrote: > Tandi Gabor wrote: > > > I downloaded the TDF.MP3 (6.5 MB) from http://www.gunnar.net/kraftwerk/ > > but I can't play it. I've tried Cubic Player, XTC player, and another one. > > This mp3 seem to wrong. Sometimes during playing my computer rebooted. :( > > Can anybody tell me what the problem can be? I can play other mp3-s without > > any problem. > > More than likely the servre the MP3 was uploaded to has corrupted the MP3 file. > If the server is notspecifically configured to handle certain file types, they > are treated incorrectly when downloaded. I've had the same problem with Charlie Crash's MP3 that he spread around a few months back. Does anyone have a known-good copy of his "more44st.mp3" (It's More Fun to Compute remix) that I could grab? By the way, hello to all the new list members. Glad to have you aboard, and watch out for jbv! ;) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:35:02 -0600 From: Bob VonMoss Subject: (kw) TDF.ZIP Gunnar R Johansson wrote: > > 98-01-22 14.53 J Talbert skrev: > > I have changed the mp3-file at http://www.gunnar.net What application do you need to run this file? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:21:46 +0100 From: computermusic@post.cz Subject: (kw) MTV Music non-stop > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sender: owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > Precedence: bulk > X-No-Archive: yes > > > I realise that this may have come up before but I need to settle an > argument.. > > Is the MTV Music non-stop theme by KW or not? There, I said it. > Ridicule me for my lack of knowledge if you like :-) > > If it is by them then when did they, why did they etc? > > Cheers, > Chris Lee Hi Chris! Two years ago in MTV Europe in program Music Non Stop they use special short version of Music Non Stop.In lines on end of this program you can see "music - Kraftwerk" Special version of Music Non Stop from this program you can hear on this address: http://www.cs.umu.se/studenter/kraftwerk/Audio/kfiles/nonstop.mp2 MTV use song Telephone Call in program Dial on MTV(two years ago). I dont know why Kraftwerk colaborated with MTV(money TV :-)) Bye Computer Music alias Metropolis from Prague Czech Republic My E-Mail: computermusic@post.cz (text only) computer_music@geocities.com (text+attachment) My Pages: Kraftwerk CZ http://www.music.cz/kapely/kraftwerk Computer Music http://www.mamedia.cz/home/COMPUTER_MUSIC.html IRC channel #kraftwerk ( 18:00 - 24:00 CET) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:04:59 EST From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: (kw) A question (what else?) I'm just wondering if discussion of Elektric Music is on topic here? I had never heard of the group prior to getting into this echo. I found a copy of Esperanto while looking for other Kraftwerk stuff. It IS Karl Bartos and Emil Schult...not founders of Kraftwerk, but former (?) members just the same. Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:49:37 -0800 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) MTV Music non-stop >end of this program you can see "music - Kraftwerk" Special version of Music Non Stop from this program you can hear on this = address:=20 http://www.cs.umu.se/studenter/kraftwerk/Audio/kfiles/nonstop.mp2 MTV use song Telephone Call in program Dial on MTV(two years ago). I dont know why Kraftwerk colaborated with MTV(money TV :-))< Indeed the use of tracks from Electric Cafe by MTV undoubtedly proves = that the album is a classic. Although I know some journalists have = expressed their reservations about EC, its use by MTV quashes these. = Indeed, it could be said that EC foresaw and now encapsulates the MTV = world of pop music in the 1990's. mode.123=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:07:39 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) A question (what else?) Bill Dobiesz wrote: > > I'm just wondering if discussion of Elektric Music is on topic here? > Yes, but on leap-years only. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:31:07 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Stirring up some more shit... (what else ?) Listening to the Olympic bootleg CD with some friends (yes, I still have a few), I was wondering why people keep putting The Robots on such bootlegs, since KW obviously uses a tape for that song live (and since the 91 tour, I think). Furthermore, as it can heard on the above mentioned item, the first part of that song (with the video) being the version from the MIX album, while the second part (when the robots refuse to move) sounds like "Robotronik" (from the 91 single edit). At least in 81, there was no robot on stage, but they were using a different (actually slower) version of the song. For instance on the "Hyper Cerebral..." bootleg, it's easy to tell that it's a tape, for it's the only song with an acceptable balance, and during which nobody gets out of tune. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:32:04 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Stirring up some more shit... (what else ?) Listening to the Olympic bootleg CD with some friends (yes, I still have a few), I was wondering why people keep putting The Robots on such bootlegs, since KW obviously uses a tape for that song live (and since the 91 tour, I think). Furthermore, as it can heard on the above mentioned item, the first part of that song (with the video) being the version from the MIX album, while the second part (when the robots refuse to move) sounds like "Robotronik" (from the 91 single edit). At least in 81, there was no robot on stage, but they were using a different (actually slower) version of the song. For instance on the "Hyper Cerebral..." bootleg, it's easy to tell that it's a tape, for it's the only song with an acceptable balance, and during which nobody gets out of tune. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #38 ******************************