From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #43 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Saturday, January 31 1998 Volume 02 : Number 043 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:52:23 -0600 From: angela Subject: (kw) KW fan / TD fan Hi That is a real fuzzy warm chill-out candy music with an accelerating end (its 19 min long, and works a bit like the Bolero) to make a background when your making love...I think I've made it to that song with 5 different girls and i DONT think any of these wonderful women would have appreciated "WE ARE THE ROBOTS - BEEEEP BEEP BEEP BEEEEP..." when they're hot'n juicy, would you? Just a thought from real life... ///CC Oh I don't know about that, I think I could appreciate that when, oh well to each his/her tastes. Heather D. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:01:51 +0100 From: "Ivo Peeters" Subject: Re: (kw) Ultra Rare Trax - -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Erik Knain Aan: kraftwerk@xmission.com Datum: woensdag 28 januari 1998 9:36 Onderwerp: (kw) Ultra Rare Trax > > >I have seen the Kraftwerk CD called "Ultra Rare Trax" announced. I would >appreciate if someone could provide information/ songtitles about it. I >presume it is a bootleg, is it live recordings? Is the sound quality >satisfying? > >>Hi all ! >> These are the tracks 1. Computer world (klick mix) (5.42) 2. Pocket calculator (east meets west mix) (5.21) 3. Music non-stop (cut up mix) (6.02) 4. Trans Europe Express (T.E.E. mix) (7.17) 5. The robots (program mix) (5.27) 6. Autobahn (peoples car mix) (8.06) 7. Europe endless (open borders mix) (5.22) 8. Man machine (space mix) (7.00) 9. The model (catbonic mix) (5.19) 10.Neon lights (ton-up mix) (5.26) 11.Showroom dummies (M.C.M.G. mix) (6.00) These are all remixes. Sound quality is satisfactory. This is not a new bootleg. Released around 1993. Regards, Ivo Peeters # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:38:48 -0500 (EST) From: cdaraghy@bestweb.net (Charlie Daraghy) Subject: (kw) td vs kw i started buying t-dream albums searching for a song i had heard in a movie (which later turned out to be Mark Isham's Vapour Drawings) but anyways, t-dreams stuff varies so much, ITS OK TO HATE AND LIKE certain pieces from their catalog. Damn your "Humble opinions". I hate that IMHO stuff, but anyways, someone said "Everyone must own Phaedra". Well if that's the one in the blue cover, i (one of the few albums i had bought in my life that i returned cause i hated it so much) i returned it. At the same time, I really liked "le parc" and "underwater sunlight". so i had the same experience, just different albums! you returned le parc and love phaedra. i hated phaedra, returned it, and love le parc! i dont like any of their private music stuff (but honestly, optical race and the ones around that time are all i'm judging, i haven't heard the orb remix(es) and the new remixes stuff). i like 'white eagle' and some of the heavy sequencer stuff. but t-dream stuff like 'tyger' and 'cyclone' are altogether different beasts. not electronic as much as progressive rock. the vocals are pretty bad on 'tyger'. Has anyone discussed SYNERGY on here? (Larry fast). I dont care for the little i've herad (i know its rather dated), but Larry is a real good guy and you can track him down and email him directly. He's going to be reissue-ing all his synergy stuff, and is remastering it currently in Bucks County, PA stop flaming, one love another. And if all else fails, go live with your mom and sister til you're 53 ala Florian (or was it Ralf?) i thought that was cute. "he's locked in his room, watching star trek. We smell solder all day. We think he's asexual....." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:33:14 -0800 From: William Talley Subject: (kw) New look Greetings All, What does anyone think of the massive change in the appearance of Kraftwerk? They have always been extremely style conscious, black ties with red shirts and slicked back hair being dominant - what did they look like at the TD concert? I've seen the Luton Hoo video footage and think it's quite cool. They are really looking like an embodiment of electronic people all gussied up in green grids. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:53:29 -0800 From: William Talley Subject: Re: (kw) Dots/FAQ/TD > Kevin Busby wrote: > > > > and everyone needs a copy of 'Phaedra'... ;-) > > > > K > > Sure, ambient freesbie is great ! > > jbv Phaedra is awesome! It's so terribly deep and subtle that it makes an excellant contrast to the bright lights and busy activity at my workplace. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:56:15 +0000 From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Phrases At 7:06 pm +0100 29/1/98, jbv wrote: >Please don't get me wrong : it has nothing to do with my "intellectual >standards". The only thing is that by successive use of unappropriate >formulaes, concepts drift slowly, and pretty soon we find ourselves >downloading dozens of messages discussing "electronic music", but with >examples that never go beyond KW, TD, Schulze, DM, HL or G. Numan. >And that's quite frustrating - and I know I'm not the only one on this >list to think that way ! A fair point. But then the term "electronic music" has long been a problematic term with regards to what it does and does not encompass. Furthermore it's inevitable that the Human League, Depeche Mode, Numan et al will be mentioned in this list more often than Stockhausen, Schaeffer & co. because the associations with Kraftwerk (the subject of this email list) are more obvious. Attempts to widen the range of discussion will fail unless the readers come from roughly the same perspective (and on this list, they clearly don't) or the relevance to Kraftwerk is spelt out for the less knowledgeable. Otherwise such postings will remain a minority interest. >But as you said, if the purpose is only to find a short description for >a web page, why go straight polemical and misleading ? >I'm sure that everyone will be pleased with something like "the famous >German electro-pop quartet". >You can even replace "famous" by "mythical", and "quartet" by "Fab >Four". I don't know jbv, how responsible would it be to suggest there were (and are) four of them, that they are definitely German (GIFs of birth certificates and other papers may be required) and there have been far more famous people than Kraftwerk. Sounds a bit reckless to me. Let's form a working party to discuss this. Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:02:24 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) TD On 30-Jan-98, William Talley wrote: >> Kevin Busby wrote: >> > >> > and everyone needs a copy of 'Phaedra'... ;-) > Phaedra is awesome! It's so terribly deep and subtle that it makes an >excellant contrast to the bright lights and busy activity at my workplace. My favorite was always "Stratosfear"; I hear they've re-recorded it. - -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:31:30 +0000 From: lists@neox.demon.co.uk Subject: (kw) new www site http://www.unl.ac.uk/~jon/kraftwerk under construction, so check back regularly for photos and realaudios # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:16:27 +0100 From: "Kim Pedersen" Subject: (kw) VS: Looking for writers - ---------- > Fra: tadream mailing list > Til: tadream@cs.uwp.edu > Emne: Looking for writers > Dato: 28. januar 1998 21:30 > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- > Really-From: David Datta > > > Hey folks, > > As some of you know, I now work for the All Music Guide (as a > programmer). We need people to write reviews. In particular, we need > folks to write reviews for all the TD albums. I probably could write > them but I am really quite lazy and don't really want to do it. > > We also need folks to do reviews in bands in the whole electronic > genre. You can get details at: > > http://allmusic.com/amg/style/amgstyle.htm > > Feel free to forward this to other music lists you may be on. I am only > posting this on tadream. > > -Dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jan 1998 14:45:00 +0200 From: M.Schmidt@top.east.de (Marko Schmidt) Subject: (kw) Solar Activity Hallo, Deutsch: Der Musik Versand Indietectiv Records verkauft ein original Kraftwerk T-=20 Shirt mit der Bezeichnung-Solar Activity-Original Emil Schult Design. Kennt jemand das Shirt? Oder ist es schon ein Merchandising Artikel des =20 neuen Albums! Ein Titel von Yamo ist auf dem neuen Sampler "Area 51-The Roswell =20 Incident"vertreten. Englisch: A Kraftwerk t-shirt with the name "Solar Activity" original Emil Schult =20 Design is for Sale by Indietectiv Records in Germany. Does anybody know the shirt? Or already is it a merchandising articles of= =20 the new album! A title of Yamo is on the new Sampler "Area 51-The Roswell Incident". - -- Mit elektrischen Gr=FC=DFen,=B7 Marko ------------------------------------------------------- GermanKraft die deutsche Kraftwerk-Homepage: www.mdis.de/kraftwerk/ ------------------------------------------------------- ## CrossPoint v3.11 ## # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:45:35 -0000 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Bartos / Sumner >Out if interest, and from a vid collector's point of view, did anybody catch >the BBC documentary about 'Prozak' featuring Bernard Sumner? I remember >watching this programme, and also remember our mutual friend Karl Bartos >putting in an appearance. Of course, I was totally unprepared for this, and >couldn't get the damn tape in the machine in time to catch it. All I >remember is Bernard walking into his small studio, and introducing Karl, who >was sitting at a keyboard, playing something. This was on a couple of years back. Has it been repeated recently? I reported Karl's presence in the programme to this very list the next day (check the archives). It was a very short clip of Karl working on the drum track of a song in Electronic's rehearsal studio. I think the track turned up on the 'Forbidden City' single - can't remember the title off hand (and can't be bothered to look for the disk). I recorded it, but I'm not sure if I kept it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:45:48 -0000 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) A question (what else?) >Another related topic: Wolfgang Flur's new project YAMO released their >"Time Pie" CD last year. It's very.... different; "Word Poetry" set to >mildly spacey sounds. I also heard that he's working with another project >called Mouth on Mouth- not to be confused with Mouse on Mars.... or is it >the other way around?? -(Ha-Ha!)- Has anybody heard any more recent news? Time Pie is an excellent album that's great fun with lots of catchy tunes and a very contemporary and enjoyable sound. I whole heatedly recommend to everyone on this list (unless your musical tastes are hopelessly stuck in the seventies of course...) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:10:24 -0000 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Late Comer....! > Although this is a KW list, it's good to discuss the bigger picture, Absolutely - I wish more people on this list would understand this. In fact an understanding, or at least an awareness, of the bigger picture is *essential* in any debate. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 01:38:48 EST From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general I wish I could find the message that came in a few days ago, I don't know who posted it... Personally, I feel that this IS a Kraftwerk discussion group, so I have tried to keep my input to Kraftwerk and directly related groups. I completely agree with what was stated, in that I'm sure most of us have other groups we like besides Kraftwerk. I know I do. I like music from classical to hard core punk, and just about everything in-between except I don't particularly care for opera or top-40 country (so-called "Young Country"). Just from the discussion here, TD sounds like it might be of interest to me, and I will look for some of their stuff next time I go to a record store. I know I'll get bashed for this, but another group I like as much as KW (which is also heavy into synths, but has a lot more vocals) is Devo. Still, this is a KRAFTWERK group, and as much as I would love to discuss Devo, I won't...because it's off topic. How boring this world would be if everyone liked the same group and nobody liked any others. Now, back on topic... There has been positive and negative comments on The Mix...I feel compelled to tell how I got into Kraftwerk. A friend of mine was into Kraftwerk around the time we were graduating from high school (1977). I did not like Autobahn, I did not like TEE...and when he forced me to listen to M-M, I decided that I wanted nothing to do with Kraftwerk - I thought they stunk. Fast forward to 1994...I was over at somebody's house, and she had a really neat sounding album playing...what is that ?, I asked. "It's Kraftwerk." Kraftwerk? That's Kraftwerk? It was the album "The Mix". I loved it - she made me a tape...I later decided I had to have the CD...I bought it. I was talking to one of my musically inclined co-workers, and told him about my "discovery". We talked, and he said he had a couple of Kraftwerk albums and they were great. So he brought it in (several of us regularly exchanged albums, to expand our horizons). The album he brought in was Computer World...he also had Radioactivity ...actually just the jacket from it, he thought the artwork was great ...me too - I collect old radios, and would LOVE to get my hands on the Deutscher Kleinempfanger (German Midget Radio) pictured on the back). By the time I listened to Computer World, Kraftwerk became an obsession...and I started collecting everything I could find. When I found Kraftwerk 2, I had my "theme song" - Klingklang. Others have mentioned that Kraftwerk isn't the music to "cuddle or do... to" I'm here to tell you, my wife (who is very narrow minded in her tastes - Barbra Striesand and others of that ilk), enjoyed Klingklang...I had to turn the volume way down at the intro - she can't stand the noise part). So, don't put down The Mix. If it hadn't been for that album, I would still be thinking about Kraftwerk as I did in 1978, and I would not be in this group discussing what I feel is one of the most underrated bands in the world. That's what I think... Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:42:36 -0600 From: angela Subject: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general group I like as much as KW (which is also heavy into synths, but has a lot more vocals) is Devo. Still, this is a KRAFTWERK group, and as much as I would love to discuss Devo, I won't...because it's off topic Don't worry about getting bashed, I personally love Devo, and if there is going to be any talk in this group about electronic music in general, than it is certainly viable to discuss Devo. But I see both sides in the "This IS a KW newsgroup" and "This is a KW newsgroup, but..". I could personally take it either way, as long as the discussion does not turn nasty and as long as KW is the center point. Good day to all. Yours truly, Heather D. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:29:48 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) A question (what else?) Jon Alsbury wrote: > > Time Pie is an excellent album that's great fun with lots of catchy tunes > and a very contemporary and enjoyable sound. I whole heatedly recommend to > everyone on this list (unless your musical tastes are hopelessly stuck in > the seventies of course...) > Strange... At least 3 or 4 of my friends who listened to Time Pie had the same reaction : it sounds like a cheap imitation of some YMO stuff from circa 78-79... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:30:05 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Late Comer....! > > Although this is a KW list, it's good to discuss the bigger picture, Jon Alsbury wrote: > > Absolutely - I wish more people on this list would understand this. In fact > an understanding, or at least an awareness, of the bigger picture is > *essential* in any debate. Jon, I love you too ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:30:30 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general Bill Dobiesz wrote: > I'm here to tell you, my wife (who is very narrow minded in her > tastes - Barbra Striesand and others of that ilk), enjoyed Klingklang...I > had to turn the volume way down at the intro - she can't stand the noise > part). Oh really ? You're Barbra Streisand's husband ? And she doesn't like the Kling Klang intro ? Jeez... I would never believe that ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:32:28 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general Jon wrote: > > group I like as much as KW (which is also heavy into synths, but has a > lot more vocals) is Devo. Still, this is a KRAFTWERK group, and as much > as I would love to discuss Devo, I won't...because it's off topic > Angela / Heather wrote : > Don't worry about getting bashed, I personally love Devo, and if there > is going to be > any talk in this group about electronic music in general, than it is > certainly viable to discuss Devo. What a coincidence, Heather ! I love DEVO too ! What about dinner tonight ? More seriously : Devo was a great band, at least until the first album. After it became some boring supermarket muzak. Summer 78 was a time of big changes for me : I put all my TD records to the bin and started to play Devo, Suicide , the Normal, Throbbing Gristle and the Residents full blast at every party I was invited to. And pretty soon, nobody invited me anymore... But I didn't care : I had nothing to do with those creepy TD & Schulze fans anymore... And I loved to fuck with "Too much paranoias" and "Come back Jonee" and "Mongoloid" playing non stop in the background... Believe or not, in 78 Devo was considered by critics (and a large part of the audience) as serious competitors to KW (I think I posted that before). Their nasty look and their devolution theory (which became tired soon after) were a nice alternative to the clean & tight-ass man-machine zon-zon. They used to say that they loved technology and sound experiments : they tried to record drums through a pipe 20 meters long... In an interview they were asked "did you learn techniques to influence masses ?" and Mothersbaugh answered "yes, we studied at Mac Donald's". They also used to say "Satisfaction is a song we created in 1978 and the Stones made a cover of it in 1965". And I'll tell you a secret : Mothersbaugh is a fan of the Del Rubio triplets ! Devo's drummer told me ! I'll always remember that fantastic gig they did in Paris at the Palace circa 78. I'm sure I have some great pics somewhere... Those guitars, man ! And Bojo Homo was there too ! The show had been taped for the french TV. I should check that too when I go to INA... And after all, Devo is not that much off-topic in a KW list : their first album has been also recorded at C. Plank's studio... Well, I should catch my breath sometimes... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:57:07 EST From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general In a message dated 1/31/98 4:45:27 PM, jbv wrote: << I put all my TD records to the bin and started to play Devo, Suicide , the Normal, Throbbing Gristle and the Residents full blast at every party I was invited to. And pretty soon, nobody invited me anymore... But I didn't care :>> You too? Hmmm. It seems that everytime I throw the Resident's "Not Available" on at a party, people seem to get really scared and then they leave and I never get invited back. Weird. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:28:09 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general SRRecords@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/31/98 4:45:27 PM, jbv wrote: > > << I put all my TD records to > the bin and started to play Devo, Suicide , the Normal, Throbbing > Gristle and the Residents full blast at every party I was invited to. > And pretty soon, nobody invited me anymore... But I didn't care :>> > > You too? Hmmm. It seems that everytime I throw the Resident's "Not > Available" on at a party, people seem to get really scared and then they leave > and I never get invited back. Weird. Back then, AFAIR, it was the "Satisfaction" single... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:26:01 -0800 From: **************** Subject: (kw) Eurythmics - 1984 vs Electric Cafe Having just heard the '1984' soundtrack by Eurythmics for the first time = it struck me that this sounds more electronically advanced than EC which = came out 2 years later. Having never really considered Eurythmics before = I'd be interested to hear what other list members have to say about this = particular album and other efforts by Eurythmics. mode.123 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:09:52 +0100 From: computermusic@post.cz Subject: (kw) Stop WAR! Hi to all pure electronic fighters! Please stop this stupid email war TD vs KW.I dont have time read each day 30 messages about (re)TD vs KW. :-) Enjoy the silence Computer Music alias Metropolis from Prague Czech Republic My E-Mail: computermusic@post.cz (text only) computer_music@geocities.com (text+attachment) My Pages: Kraftwerk CZ http://www.music.cz/kapely/kraftwerk Computer Music http://www.mamedia.cz/home/COMPUTER_MUSIC.html IRC channel #kraftwerk ( 18:00 - 24:00 CET) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:59:48 +0100 From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: (kw) KLEM SPOEDNIEUWS voor maandag 2/2 To all Dutch readers: >Beste KLEMmers, > >Maandag 2 februari is om 23:22 uur op Nederland 3 het programma "Het uur >van de wolf" te zien, met als onderwerp 'Sonic Acts'. Daarin schijnt ook >Kraftwerk voor te komen. Het programma duurt tot 0:17 uur. > >Groeten, > >Frits > Translation: Monday feb. 2 at 23:22 on TV Network 'Nederland3' a show 'Het uur van de wolf' with a subject called ' Sonic Acts'. Apparantly there is a item about Kraftwer!. The TV programm lasts until 0:17. groeten, Dolf / / dolf@twingo.xs4all.nl / twingo@xs4all.nl ----/---/---- http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo / / http://twingo.xs4all.nl (if online) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:03:14 -0600 From: angela Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general What a coincidence, Heather ! I love DEVO too ! What about dinner tonight ? Great, how about chinese? Summer 78 was a time of big changes for me : I put all my TD records to the bin and started to play Devo, Suicide , the Normal, Throbbing Gristle and the Residents full blast at every party I was invited to. And pretty soon, nobody invited me anymore... I wish more parties had that type of track list, unfortunately in my area, its either the Spice girls or another remix of any number of Village People songs. It is sort of neat(bad choice of word,sorry) to compare different elements between Kraftwerk and Devo. But that's a different message. Yours truly, Heather D. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:04:45 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general On 31-Jan-98, Bill Dobiesz wrote: , and as much as I would love to discuss >Devo, I won't...because it's off topic. ...yep... They did a great live show at Radio City Music Hall during their New Traditionalist period, by the way.. >Now, back on topic... (SNIP) >our horizons). The album he brought in was Computer World...he also had The other day, someone visiting my office saw a few mailing-list messages on my computer screen, said, "You're a Kraftwerk fan? Coooool!", and told me he'd just been listening to CW. >Others have mentioned that Kraftwerk isn't the music to "cuddle or do... >to" I'm here to tell you, my wife (who is very narrow minded in her >tastes - Barbra Striesand and others of that ilk), enjoyed Klingklang...I And how about "Ananas Symphonie"? :-) - -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:21:01 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general On 31-Jan-98, jbv wrote: >More seriously : Devo was a great band, at least until the first album. >After it became some boring supermarket muzak. I think they started dropping off after "New Traditionalists", but I agree that they did start to get a little bland. I think they lost their direction when they moved to Los Angeles-- they should have stayed in Akron! >And pretty soon, nobody invited me anymore... But I didn't care : I had Same here. >And I loved to fuck with "Too much paranoias" and "Come back Jonee" >and "Mongoloid" playing non stop in the background... I was once in a band ("ELECTRIC/STEEL") that played covers of Devo songs-- along with Numan and John Foxx. This was in '80 or so, and we weren't in demand. :-) We once did a version of 'Come Back Jonee' patterned after the Flying Lizards' version of 'Summertime Blues', which is one reason WHY we weren't in demand! >And after all, Devo is not that much off-topic in a KW list : their >first album has been also recorded at C. Plank's studio... >Well, I should catch my breath sometimes... While you're doing that, I'll take a breather as well and dust off the ol' Devo albums... - -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:00:29 -0800 From: "willfred" Subject: re: (kw) latecomer..... hey, i always thought that " Ralf & Florian " fit in quite nicely with cabaret voltaire's " The Mix-Up " and throbbing gristle's " Heathen Earth ". love thar grungy analogue sound. bill2. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 01:04:43 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general Christopher Gross wrote: > > The other day, someone visiting my office saw a few mailing-list messages on > my computer screen, said, "You're a Kraftwerk fan? Coooool!", and told me he'd > just been listening to CW. > Funny... A few months back I was visiting appartments for rent, and I had an appointment with a guy who was supposed to show me a few places. He was almost 50, with a moustache and a straight suit. The kind of guy you imagine with 3 kids, a house in suburbia with green grass etc. light years away from techno-pop... We went to his car, and as he started the engine, the cassette inside the car radio started to play and guess what : Europe Endless full blast. I said : "hey you like that ?" He said : "actually I just got divorced, and my wife forgot this tape in our house, I don't know what it is but she used to play it non stop at times, and finally I think it's not so bad... It's a kind of sentimental thing, you know..." jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 01:06:44 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general jbv wrote: > > What a coincidence, Heather ! I love DEVO too ! > What about dinner tonight ? Heather wrote : > > Great, how about chinese? > My favorite ! What time should I pick you up ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:30:33 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: (kw) Florian's last name This subject came up a while back, and I did a little research on it... but I hope German-speaking members of the list will correct me. I could be totally wrong! The original last name (of one of Florian's ancestors) was probably 'Schneider, Freiherr von Esleben' (Tailor, freeman of Esleben). Then the name changed to 'Schneider von Esleben' (which his father has sometimes used), then to 'Schneider-Esleben', then to 'Schneider'. They're all accurate in a way; it's just a matter of emphasis. :-) - -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:50:50 GMT From: wootton robin <96188726@brookes.ac.uk> Subject: (kw) Autobahn was their first and LAST innovation. > >it struck me that '1984' by Eurythmics sounds more electronically >advanced than EC which came out 2 years later... > We are RIGHT to admire Kraftwerks groundbreaking innovations, ESPECIALLY the unforseeable electronic novelties of the astoundingly early Autobahn album. But you are WRONG to assume they remained at the cutting edge beyond 1975. Agreed, Computer World is UTTERLY FABULOUS electronic music.. But it's 1981 for Gods sake!!! People had been making fantastic electronic music for YEARS!!!!!! Sceptics will learn an awful lot from hearing the 1983 album "Please" by the Pet Shop Boys. In terms of sound, production, and presentation, their DEBUT effort bears all the hallmarks of any contempory pop production. It's more plush and proffessional than anything that Kraftwerk have EVER made. More danceable... VASTLY more intelligent lyrics... totally under control. After a sprint-start, our German innovators are so concentrated on this race that they don't realise they're standing still....... The rest of us are bounding over the horizon...... ......seeya! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:10:42 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) Eurythmics - 1984 vs Electric Cafe On 01-Feb-98, **************** wrote: >2 years later. Having never really considered Eurythmics before I'd be >interested to hear what other list members have to say about this particular >album and other efforts by Eurythmics. I think the Eurythmics' stuff was very effective in conveying an alternative to the Party's outlook. The idea of having two types of music contending with each other on the soundtrack was a good idea in my opinion... The only Eurythmics album I have is 'Sweet Dreams', which I think is GREAT! The Eurythmics started out the way KW did-- by putting together their own studio and adding on to it as circumstances required. I can't say whether they were more 'advanced' than KW or not, because I don't know if they are headed in the same direction! ;-) Anyway, anyone who hasn't seen '1984' ought to check it out-- there was a '50s version, but I think the 1984 version is true to Orwell's vision. - -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #43 ******************************