From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #44 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Monday, February 2 1998 Volume 02 : Number 044 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:30:33 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: (kw) Florian's last name This subject came up a while back, and I did a little research on it... but I hope German-speaking members of the list will correct me. I could be totally wrong! The original last name (of one of Florian's ancestors) was probably 'Schneider, Freiherr von Esleben' (Tailor, freeman of Esleben). Then the name changed to 'Schneider von Esleben' (which his father has sometimes used), then to 'Schneider-Esleben', then to 'Schneider'. They're all accurate in a way; it's just a matter of emphasis. :-) - -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:13:55 EST From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn was their first and LAST innovation. On Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:50:50 GMT wootton robin <96188726@brookes.ac.uk> writes: > >Sceptics will learn an awful lot from hearing the 1983 album "Please" >by the >Pet Shop Boys. In terms of sound, production, and presentation, their >DEBUT >effort bears all the hallmarks of any contempory pop production. It's >more >plush and proffessional than anything that Kraftwerk have EVER made. >More danceable... VASTLY more intelligent lyrics... totally under >control. ur kidding , right? tom w np: grand funk railroad _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:13:55 EST From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general On Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:03:14 -0600 angela writes: > >I wish more parties had that type of track list, unfortunately >in my area, its either the Spice girls or another remix of any number >of >Village People songs. > thank god for global warming....maybe this area will go first....christ... tom w np:alice cooper - welcome to my nightmare _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:50:50 GMT From: wootton robin <96188726@brookes.ac.uk> Subject: (kw) Autobahn was their first and LAST innovation. > >it struck me that '1984' by Eurythmics sounds more electronically >advanced than EC which came out 2 years later... > We are RIGHT to admire Kraftwerks groundbreaking innovations, ESPECIALLY the unforseeable electronic novelties of the astoundingly early Autobahn album. But you are WRONG to assume they remained at the cutting edge beyond 1975. Agreed, Computer World is UTTERLY FABULOUS electronic music.. But it's 1981 for Gods sake!!! People had been making fantastic electronic music for YEARS!!!!!! Sceptics will learn an awful lot from hearing the 1983 album "Please" by the Pet Shop Boys. In terms of sound, production, and presentation, their DEBUT effort bears all the hallmarks of any contempory pop production. It's more plush and proffessional than anything that Kraftwerk have EVER made. More danceable... VASTLY more intelligent lyrics... totally under control. After a sprint-start, our German innovators are so concentrated on this race that they don't realise they're standing still....... The rest of us are bounding over the horizon...... ......seeya! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:10:42 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) Eurythmics - 1984 vs Electric Cafe On 01-Feb-98, **************** wrote: >2 years later. Having never really considered Eurythmics before I'd be >interested to hear what other list members have to say about this particular >album and other efforts by Eurythmics. I think the Eurythmics' stuff was very effective in conveying an alternative to the Party's outlook. The idea of having two types of music contending with each other on the soundtrack was a good idea in my opinion... The only Eurythmics album I have is 'Sweet Dreams', which I think is GREAT! The Eurythmics started out the way KW did-- by putting together their own studio and adding on to it as circumstances required. I can't say whether they were more 'advanced' than KW or not, because I don't know if they are headed in the same direction! ;-) Anyway, anyone who hasn't seen '1984' ought to check it out-- there was a '50s version, but I think the 1984 version is true to Orwell's vision. - -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:14:23 EST From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: (kw) More questions I was recently on the website at http://www.mdis.de/kraftwerk...a nice website, although it is definately geared toward those who speak German. Anyway, one nice thing I found is lyrics to pretty much all of their songs that have lyrics. But, there are some songs listed that I've never heard of...anyone possibly able to shed some light on these? I don't recognize any of these as being other versions of any of the ones I'm familiar with... Sellafield 2 Taschenrechner Schaufensterpuppen Spiegelsaal There are also lyrics to these...I wasn't aware that there were German versions of these (but it DOES stand to reason, doesn't it?) Computer Welt (German version of Computer World) Neon Licht (German version of Neon Lights) Das Modell (German version of The Model) Die Roboter (German version of The Robots) Computer Liebe (possibly a German version of Computer Love?) Always looking for more information... _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:35:24 EST From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general On Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:03:14 -0600 angela writes: > >I wish more parties had that type of track list, unfortunately >in my area, its either the Spice girls or another remix of any number >of >Village People songs. > thank god for global warming....maybe this area will go first....christ... tom w np:alice cooper - welcome to my nightmare _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:35:25 EST From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn was their first and LAST innovation. On Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:50:50 GMT wootton robin <96188726@brookes.ac.uk> writes: > >Sceptics will learn an awful lot from hearing the 1983 album "Please" >by the >Pet Shop Boys. In terms of sound, production, and presentation, their >DEBUT >effort bears all the hallmarks of any contempory pop production. It's >more >plush and proffessional than anything that Kraftwerk have EVER made. >More danceable... VASTLY more intelligent lyrics... totally under >control. ur kidding , right? tom w np: grand funk railroad _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 10:14:18 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn was their first and LAST innovation. wootton robin wrote: > > But you are WRONG to assume they remained at the cutting edge beyond 1975. > > Agreed, Computer World is UTTERLY FABULOUS electronic music.. > But it's 1981 for Gods sake!!! > People had been making fantastic electronic music for YEARS!!!!!! Careful ! I've been flamed on this list a couple of months ago for posting such opinions... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:44:57 -0800 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Eurythmics - 1984 vs Electric Cafe Chris wrote: >I think the Eurythmics' stuff was very effective in conveying an = alternative to the Party's outlook. The idea of having two types of music contending = with each other on the soundtrack was a good idea in my opinion...< Interesting opinion! However, Michael Radford (the director of the film = 1984) wasn't impressed with what Eurythmics produced and didn't want to = use it, as he considered it 'inappropriate' for the film. Commercial = pressures forced its inclusion. >The only Eurythmics album I have is 'Sweet Dreams', which I think is = GREAT! The Eurythmics started out the way KW did-- by putting together their = own studio and adding on to it as circumstances required. I can't say = whether they were more 'advanced' than KW or not, because I don't know if they are = headed in the same direction! ;-) < Eurythmics first album, 'In the Garden' was produced by Conny Plank at = his studio in Cologne. Dave Stewart built his own studio in a disused = church in London, which is where Sweet Dreams was recorded. Later albums = were recorded in a number of places. As Annie Lennox apparently lived in = France a number were recorded there. >Anyway, anyone who hasn't seen '1984' ought to check it out-- there was = a '50s version, but I think the 1984 version is true to Orwell's vision.< You're right. The 1984 version of '1984' is an excellent film which has = often been underrated - like many British films are. mode.123 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 13:11:05 -0800 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Autobahn was their first and LAST innovation. Robin wrote: >Sceptics will learn an awful lot from hearing the 1983 album "Please" = by the=20 Pet Shop Boys. In terms of sound, production, and presentation, their = DEBUT=20 effort bears all the hallmarks of any contempory pop production. It's = more=20 plush and proffessional than anything that Kraftwerk have EVER made.=20 More danceable... VASTLY more intelligent lyrics... totally under = control.< 'Please' was released in 1985. Tracks were recorded earlier, however, = they were apparently so bad that the entire thing was handed over to = Stephen Hague who remade the album. There is no doubt that the unique = flavour of 'Please' was due to Stephen Hague. Subsequent PSP albums = sounded like saccharine induced vomit. Hague has actually produced a lot of cutting edge electronic pop albums. = Unfortunately there is a tendency amongst us to think that innovative = electronic music has only been produced by artists such as YMO, Jarre, = Wakeman, Vangelis and of course Kraftwerk. Hague, Trevor Horn and = Stephen Lipson produced some of the finest and most innovative = electronic albums of their era. Unfortunately, these guys are now dead = in the water; we have to move on and not be sentimental about an era = that is long gone... Now we need to look at producers such as Tim = Simoneon, Nellee Hooper, Goldie etc to understand what's happening. = These are the people Kraftwerk will be judged against if a new album is = forthcoming. mode.123 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 14:52:05 +0000 From: "Ian J. Harris" Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general Hi all Count me in as one of the Devo fans. There IS a Devo mailing list. currently with 36 subscribers, if anyone wants details then e mail me privately. BTW I prefer Devo's later (ie 1980+) material. If you think they *blanded* out check out their 2 tracks on the Jackie Chan "Supercop" soundtrack CD, and change your mind. ~ Ian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 01:42:04 -0000 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) A question (what else?) >> Time Pie is an excellent album that's great fun with lots of catchy tunes >> and a very contemporary and enjoyable sound. I whole heatedly recommend to >> everyone on this list (unless your musical tastes are hopelessly stuck in >> the seventies of course...) >Strange... At least 3 or 4 of my friends who listened to Time Pie had >the same reaction : it sounds like a cheap imitation of some YMO >stuff from circa 78-79... hmmmm, I can see your point, though I do like this album a lot. I can see the YMO slant to some extent, though I really do think it's original enough to be appreciated for what it is: I.e. a product of the late nineties (fucking hell, are we that old! :-) OK, maybe you can hear influences from times past, but what music hasn't drawn on the past to some extent - certainly not Kraftwerk. It's still a great album, and as our "gods ov teckno" haven't graced us with an album in twelve years I don't think arguments to the contrary from the KW obsessive on this list bear much creditability. Are you sad Kraftwerk fanatics really happy playing TEE every day? Isn't it about time you broadened your horizons slightly? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:11:14 -0000 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) More questions Sellafield 2 = not on any album - played as an intro to Radioactivity live Taschenrechner = Pocket Calculator (from Computer World) Schaufensterpuppen = Showroom Dummies (From Trans Europe Express) Spiegelsaal = The Hall Of Mirrors (From Trans Europe Express) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 16:30:49 +0100 From: "Fer" Subject: RE: (kw) More questions >Sellafield 2 = not on any album - played as an intro to Radioactivity live Are you sure? Wasn't this included on some anti-nuclear compilation?? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 12:28:00 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: RE: (kw) Eurythmics - 1984 vs Electric Cafe On 02-Feb-98, **************** wrote: >Interesting opinion! However, Michael Radford (the director of the film 1984) >wasn't impressed with what Eurythmics produced and didn't want to use it, as >he considered it 'inappropriate' for the film. Commercial pressures forced its >inclusion. Really! I didn't know that. I still think it works... and the 'Oceania' stuff is good, too. :-) - -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 11:20:44 EST From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: (kw) Looks like we gone completely off topic here... And, in a effort to resolve this, I want to start a discussion group for the purpose of discussing other groups besides Kraftwerk. I want to run it like this group, and if I can, more like "echomail" (for those of you who are familiar with FTN terms). This group includes, but is not limited to, groups like Devo, Depeche Mode, The Eurythmics, Heaven 17, Planet P, and a bunch of others I can't think of at the moment. Anyone that wants to get into this list, please send E-Mail to n8tlc@juno.com, and I'll put you in the list. Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:11:01 -0300 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9ric?= Kerbrat Subject: (kw)Krafwerk icons Hello, Mac users will be pleased to know that a new set of icons is available at Yes, 20 Kraftwerk icons. Bye. Frederic. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 19:16:36 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Eurythmics - 1984 vs Electric Cafe **************** wrote: > > (...)As Annie Lennox apparently lived in France a number were recorded there. ARRRGH !!!! Is she still around ? Does anyone know ? What time is the next plane to Buenos Aires ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 19:16:51 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Looks like we gone completely off topic here... Bill Dobiesz wrote: > > And, in a effort to resolve this, I want to start a discussion group for > the purpose of discussing other groups besides Kraftwerk. > (...) > > This group includes, but is not limited to, groups like Devo, Depeche > Mode, The Eurythmics, Heaven 17, Planet P, and a bunch of others I can't > think of at the moment. > Count me in, but please remove Depeche Mode, Eurythmics and Heaven 17 from your list. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 19:17:09 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) A question (what else?) Jon Alsbury wrote: > > (...) (fucking hell, are we that old! :-) Mmmmh... What do you mean exactly by "old" ? > Isn't it about time you broadened your horizons > slightly? Are you talking to me ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 21:37:17 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn was their first and LAST innovation. jbv wrote: >Careful ! I've been flamed on this list a couple of months ago for >posting such opinions... > Dear oh dear, NO jbv, you were flamed for saying (in your most humble opinion) that CW spawned no seed at all. ciao, - ------------------------------------ Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! #Kraftwerk IRC homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ No:- 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 22:48:12 +0900 From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: (kw) Wim Wenders "The End of Violence" Hi all, I seem to remember a German film director Wim Wenders requested Kraftwerk for soundtracks for his latest film "The End of Violence". There hasn't been no further news for months. The film seem to be already ready for theatres, and its ad is already available. (well, at least in Tokyo) A bad news: Kraftwerk is NOT enlisted in the staff list. I'm not sure who disagreed, but their name is not there. For those who live in/near Tokyo, the film can be seen on March, exclusively at Yebisu Garden Cinema. Regards, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:41:20 -0800 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Eurythmics - 1984 vs Electric Cafe JBV wrote:- >ARRRGH !!!! Is she (Annie Lennox) still around ? Does anyone know ? What time is the next plane to Buenos Aires ?< If the average IQ in France is positive she's still there. You're better = off with her - at least you'll have 1 beautiful women in your country. "You've only got yourselves to blame.. For playing the game" Dr Robert=09 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:45:01 -0800 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Looks like we gone completely off topic here... jbv wrote: >Count me in, but please remove Depeche Mode, Eurythmics and Heaven 17 from your list.< If you intend to turn this new list into a farce don't bother joining. = Why should you have an exclusive right to prevent discussion of bands = you may not like. I've no interest in Planet P, however, if someone is = generous enough to set-up a new list I'm not going to rubbish his = efforts. Please retract your statement jbv and learn to think before you write. mode.123 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 16:56:47 -0500 From: "J.T." Subject: (kw) r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d - Active-K Update! Hello Kraftwerk starved individuals (I count myself in this category) I have updated the Active-K and have added an MP3 of the second new song from the ZKM concert. Can't talk long because I'm werking on a MIDI file version of this same song along with Home Computer as I type (I think I can hear Cakewalk calling me back right now :)) Well, gottoa go! Take care. - -John 'efofex' Talbert ______________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d "Continuing the tradition of the underground resonance" Featuring the electronica of 'EFOFEX' http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:56:44 -0800 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Autobahn was their first and LAST innovation. jbv wrote: >Careful ! I've been flamed on this list a couple of months ago for posting such opinions...< You were flamed for posting nonsense which you clearly couldn't = substantiate. Nobody objects to an opinion. Your problem is you try to = pass off your opinions as concrete facts.=20 IMO your postings on Computer World were the stupidist e-mails I've ever = read on this list. mode.123 =09 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 22:20:48 -0000 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) More questions >>Sellafield 2 = not on any album - played as an intro to Radioactivity live >Are you sure? Wasn't this included on some anti-nuclear compilation?? it may well be on some compilation, but what i meant was that this particular piece does not appear, unlike the others listed in the original message, on any Kraftwerk album. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 22:43:29 -0000 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) A question (what else?) jbv wrote: >Mmmmh... What do you mean exactly by "old" ? well, as someone who's been collecting records for almost twenty years (including three spanking new Kraftwerk releases - imagine that kiddies) i kindof suspect that i'm not the youngest member of this ML... on reflection, perhaps 'older' would have been a more appropriate word to use. >> Isn't it about time you broadened your horizons >> slightly? >Are you talking to me ? no. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 18:17:12 EST From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn was their first and LAST innovation. On Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:56:44 -0800 **************** writes: > >jbv wrote: > >>Careful ! I've been flamed on this list a couple of months ago for >posting such opinions...< >IMO your postings on Computer World were the stupidist e-mails I've >ever = >read on this list. > >mode.123 thats pretty debateable... tom w np: stupid girl _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 18:17:12 EST From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Looks like we gone completely off topic here... On Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:45:01 -0800 **************** writes: > >jbv wrote: > >>Count me in, but please remove Depeche Mode, Eurythmics and Heaven 17 >from your list.< > >If you intend to turn this new list into a farce don't bother joining. >= >Why should you have an exclusive right to prevent discussion of bands >= >you may not like. this is a skill i must learn: how does one prevent discussion of bands one doesnt like? and an exclusive no less.... tom w np: three - the power of three _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 22:21:52 -0000 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Eurythmics - 1984 vs Electric Cafe >> (...)As Annie Lennox apparently lived in France a number were recorded there. >ARRRGH !!!! Is she still around ? Does anyone know ? does anyone care? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 01:20:34 +0100 From: "Charlie Crash" <909@iname.com> Subject: (kw) Sigh! Sigh! Sigh! - -You!!! - -? - -Yes, YOU!, Stop talking like a 5-year old, please! - - ... Thanks! ///CC # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:10:02 EST From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: (kw) RE: mode.123 - Mail System Error - Returned Mail First of all, my apologies to everyone else...this message is intended for mode.123 only - everyone else go ahead and delete it, I am delivering it through this group as I have no other way to get it to him... On Sun, 1 Feb 1998 16:47:56 +0000 Mail Administrator writes: >--===========================_ _= 858459(927) >Content-Type: text/plain > >This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: > >Each of the following recipients was rejected by a remote mail server. >The reasons given by the server are included to help you determine >why each recipient was rejected. > > Recipient: > Reason: you are not allowed to send mail to > > > >Please reply to Postmaster@smtprelay1-gui.server.virgin.net >if you feel this message to be in error. > >--===========================_ _= 858459(927) >Content-Type: message/rfc822 > >Received: from m21.boston.juno.com ([205.231.100.189]) > by smtprelay1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 > release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id AAA919 > for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 16:47:55 +0000 >Received: (from n8tlc@juno.com) > by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id LCF25351; Sun, 01 Feb 1998 >11:47:38 EST >To: mode.123@virgin.net >Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 11:48:39 EST >Subject: Re: (kw) Looks like we gone completely off topic here... >Message-ID: <19980201.114840.4887.3.n8tlc@juno.com> >References: <01BD2F2E.86911CA0@p60-starling-gui.tch.virgin.net> >X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 >X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-9 >From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) > >On Sun, 1 Feb 1998 16:29:08 -0800 **************** > >writes: >>I'm interested in this. >> >>mode.123 > >OK, you're in! > >Thank you _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 19:52:01 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Knight Subject: (kw) Konzerts? Are there any known plans for Kraftwerk to tour in 1998? I am sure that will never come to the U.S.A. I would lik to see if there is a *slight* possiblity of catching them in concert. Eric Knight ericknig@sprynet.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 18:40:35 -0500 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Remixed classics (off-topic) I was in the Middle East in 1996, and I happened to hear house remixes of many classic rock songs from the '70s, such as Gerry Rafferty's "Baker Street." I loved the remixes! Most of these were first released in the UK. Are any of these remixes available in the USA? Thanks in advance! Peace. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:47:56 -0000 From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: (kw) War? What is it good for? Absolutely nothing. hehehehehehe Ppl of the KW mailing list, please put this in your records, there is a flame war developing again, but, this time I was not the instigator! :-) There's gotta be a first for everything! Yours chuffed, ciao, - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- Jules Seifert #kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ No:- 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 11:20:44 +0100 From: "Tobi" Subject: Re: (kw) Wim Wenders "The End of Violence" On Sun, 1 Feb 1998 Hiroshisan wrote: >A bad news: Kraftwerk is NOT enlisted in the staff list. >I'm not sure who disagreed, but their name is not there. Right, there is not even a glimpse of Kraftwerk music in the movie or the soundtrack. Nothing. However, I like the movie and recommend to see it. Yours, tobi@nofrontiere.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:01:41 +0100 From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) aphex twin - kw i recently found this note on aphex twin: "Not since Kraftwerk (who were also driven to build their own = instruments=20 in order to capture the sounds floating around in their heads) has an=20 artist understood texture in this way, made electronic sound so organic = and=20 resonant, so full of life." (Andrew Smith, Melody Maker, Nov 21, 1992) i often think, that many list-members are more into some kind of "old=20 school" electronic sounds from back in the 70's and 80's and are = ignoring=20 new talents... what do you think about aphex twin's or other intelligent-dancemusic=20 artist's music? (squarepusher, orbital, fsol, underworld, leftfield) and how do you feel about afrika bambaata's planet rock, which pushed, = IMHO=20 KW's music into a very new context? for more information about the aphex twin feel free to visit my=20 aphextwin-site at: http://www.andreas.de/aphextwin/ regards, andreas - ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:07:51 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn was their first and LAST innovation. Jules Seifert wrote: > > jbv wrote: > > >Careful ! I've been flamed on this list a couple of months ago for > >posting such opinions... > > > Dear oh dear, NO jbv, you were flamed for saying (in your most humble > opinion) that CW spawned no seed at all. > > ciao, > My mistake, Jules. I perfectly remember why I've been flamed, and I should have written "I've been flamed for posting such STRONG opinions". The context and contents are different, but statements like "Autobahn was their first and last innovation" and "CW spawned no seed at all" might lead to some strong rejections from this list, and I wanted to warn the guy against such possible reactions, as (sometimes) this "mailing" list looks pretty much like a "praising" list... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #44 ******************************