From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #46 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, February 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 046 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:21:24 +0100 From: Andreas Schepers Subject: AW: (kw) Karlheinz strikes back on the official website at = http://www.jimstonebraker.com/stockhausen.html you'll find informations = about the stockhausen-verlag which is publishing a complete edtion as well.... - -as - ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de - -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: jbv [SMTP:jbv.silences@wanadoo.fr] Gesendet am: Dienstag, 3. Februar 1998 19:41 An: kraftwerk@xmission.com Betreff: (kw) Karlheinz strikes back Read in french mag Technikart #19 Feb 98 (my translation) : "The techno movement has elected KW as its godfather long time ago. If you go one step backwards, you'll find Karlheinz Stockhausen, a composer whose concerts Ralf & Florian used to run to (loaded with LSD) before starting their band. Inventor of new musical forms as soon as in the 50s, Stockhausen built such works as Electronic Studies I & II or Hymnen, experimenting new synthetic sounds in spatial projection, untiringly carving out an innovative musical grammar. His latest creation : Electronic Music with Sound Stage from Freitag aus Licht. Stockhausen is about to "project" it in France (Feb 3 to 5, Paris, Parc de la Villette)." - ------ Read in french newspaper Lib=E9ration (Feb 3, 1998) : "It's a fact : contemporary music and electro-acoustic music are gaining these days a new popularity. Especially among a young generation who tries to find in it the illusion of a "world". This explains that KH Stockhausen, musician of the "universe" par excellence, after fascinating the rock avant-garde of the 70s, is now mentionned as the major reference of today's most interesting techno hackers. It's interesting to hear the singer Bj=F6rk evoquing the Helikopter- Sreichquartett that the master created in 1993 and for which each member of a quartet used to play inside an helicopter transformed=20 into a studio flying in sync with the rotating propellers, to realize how his artistic move fills an expectation. As he told us a few days ago from his studio in K=F6ln, not one day = passes without receiving a mail from some techno artist declaring his admiration or asking for some collaboration. Things that really fullfill a man who is about to celebrate his 70th birthday." (...) - ------ This is just FYI, and to give a few elements of response to those=20 (Jules AFAIR) who, a few months ago, questionned the possible influence of KHS on today's techno musicians. - ----- BTW, does anyone know if the Hymnen have been reissued on CD ? I didn't find anything on the Web, Deutsch Grammophon doesn't have any Stockhausen work in its catalogue anymore, and my vinyl copy is almost dead. I've been told that there was a Stockhausen Publishing Company in Germany which started to reissue most of his compositions, but it seems like that stuff is almost impossible to find. Anyone ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original = sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:34:42 EST From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Karlheinz strikes back I believe, if you search farther on the web, there is a place that is Stockhausen's own where you can order CD's directly from him (or his publishing company or whatever...........) i've been meaning to do this but these CD's are very expensive. I don't know what the "official" Stockhausen web page is or even if it's official - all I know is I think I've been there! Someone else on this list surely must know this web page information though - I'd like to go there again............. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:28:10 EST From: PRODUKT01@aol.com Subject: (kw) Influnced by KRAFTWERK? Autechre on Kraftwerk (A) http://www.sme.co.jp/Music/Info/SonyTechno/newsE/9705/ae/ QFWhat are your 5 favorit albums? SBor now--- ,Tod Dockstader - Water Music,Coil - Love's Secret Domain,Kraftwerk - Computer World,Public Enemy - Yo Bum Rush The Show,808 State - Newbuild == (B) Autechre picked the following Top 10 tracks for SPEX (A German magazine I think) back in March kraftwerk it's more fun to compute There's nothing to be said about kraftwerk which hasn't already been said before. but even if we had to do a top ten every month, this track would always be in it. == (C) http://www.xnet.com/~jjdavis/bw/ Bochum Welt( Gianluigi Di Constanzo) on KRAFTWERK „I was very interested in the electronic movement of the 70s. Ralf Hutter, Florian Schneider, Brian Eno, Sakamoto, etc. I wasn’t interested in the Techno scene in the mid 80s. Not until I heard stuff from Aphex Twin. I think he made the best music I had ever heard" = (D) http://www.xnet.com/~jjdavis/bw/ Q: What sorts of electronic music inspire you? A: I am strongly interested in the electronic movement in the 70's in Duesseldorf: Ralf Huetter, Florian Schneider, = (E) Alain Wilder NEW KRAFTWER? http://www.club-internet.fr/depechemode/news/ Attendez-vous toujours la sortie du nouvel album de Kraftwerk? (sourire)Je pense que ce sera très passionnant de voir ce que Kraftwerk a comme possibilité pour rester innovateur. S'ils font un disque électronique à moins qu'ils le fassent d'une façon incroyable il risque de sonner daté. Alors je me demande s'ils vont faire quelque chose de similaire à ce qu'ils faisaient avant et s'écarter totalement de leur style. Je ne peux pas les imaginer s'écarter complètement de l'électronique. Peut-être von- -ils se camper dans leurs paramètres en essayant de s'intégrer aux 90's. Ca va être très difficile pour eux. = (F) Aphex Twin From the IDM comp Warp. what are you infunces ? RDJ: Computer world. = (G) some recent interview ? Bernard Sumner on what Influnced Ian Curtis and he Ian would play kraftwerk before we took the stage The Man Machine this had a great impact on the whole sound/production with Martin Hannett and later with New Order = (H) an interview from 83 read on the net location is unknown at the moment : ( Klaus Schulze Q.What are you playing in the studio lately KS Computer World non stop (I)? I also recall Alan Veaga kissing R&F butt sometime in 94/95 EQ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 15:58:29 -0600 From: angela Subject: Re: (kw) Can't we all just get along? Hope to see you in church next sunday... Hello, ok either your being a smartass(highly likely) or I was too preachy. If I was too preachy, than I apologize, I just had to get that message of my chest. Oh well. Could anyone out of curiousity, tell when Kraftwerk's last concert in the US was? Thanks. Yours Truly, Heather D. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:01:46 +0000 From: Geoff Watson Subject: (kw) spudboys and eyeballs If I die tonight I die a happy man - 20 years of ridicule and strange looks from everyone who knew I loved Kraftwerk , Devo and The Residents. To download 4 days mail and find out I'm not alone is such a relief. I stopped wearing my Devo "flowerpot" a few years ago when the stone throwing from those who didn't understand turned to bricks - maybe now I'll try it for size again. For those who are interested check out the Mutato site at www.mutato.com for some great Mothersbaugh/Devo stuff and www.wco.com/~eyeball for Residents info - they're 25 years old this year - great stuff. Life isn't that bad after all. Geoff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 23:32:29 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Can't we all just get along? Heather wrote: > > Hope to see you in church next sunday... > > Hello, ok either your being a smartass(highly likely) or I was too > preachy. If I was too preachy, than I apologize, I just had to get that > message of my chest. Don't apologize. Your message was really cute and I'm sure almost every list member agreed. > Oh well. Could anyone out of curiousity, tell when > Kraftwerk's last concert in the US was? Thanks. > Shortly after the arrival of the Mayflower... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 17:03:55 EST From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Karlheinz strikes back On Tue, 03 Feb 1998 19:41:23 +0100 jbv writes: > >Read in french mag Technikart #19 Feb 98 (my translation) : > >"The techno movement has elected KW as its godfather long time ago. >If you go one step backwards, you'll find Karlheinz Stockhausen, >a composer whose concerts Ralf & Florian used to run to (loaded with >LSD) before starting their band. these guys really did acid? getouttahere.... tom w np: za siodma gora - muzyka jakiej swiat nie widzi _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 00:48:47 +0100 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk 1 & 2 question >I've finally tracked down Kraftwerk 1 and Kraftwerk 2 on CD-- the >unofficial Germanofon releases, but before I buy them (at $25 each! Ow!) I so high? maybe you can find them cheaper 2nd hand... it's likely that some K fan has bought them and found them to be too different from what he expexted. or maybe even the vinyl could come cheaper if the seller does not know what he's selling... :-) >was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to preview them for me. In >other works, what should I expect? I own Ralf & Florian on vinyl, and it's >by far my favorite Kraftwerk, so I hope that these two albums have a >similar sound. you are more or less right. these are tracks even more experimental, so to say. yes. I liked them. well made experiments. very listenable. you understand what Florian say when he say that he can listen music in any rumour. of course it's not only rumorism. little of it somewhere. buy maybe one and see. anyway I think you'll like them both. maybe in the cd edition you don't see the pictures of a flower-power Florian with long hair and elephant legs trousers that where on the double album... someone has the two vinyls in the separate, original edition? how do the covers look like? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 17:03:55 EST From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Karlheinz strikes back On Tue, 03 Feb 1998 19:41:23 +0100 jbv writes: > >Read in french mag Technikart #19 Feb 98 (my translation) : > >"The techno movement has elected KW as its godfather long time ago. >If you go one step backwards, you'll find Karlheinz Stockhausen, >a composer whose concerts Ralf & Florian used to run to (loaded with >LSD) before starting their band. these guys really did acid? getouttahere.... tom w np: za siodma gora - muzyka jakiej swiat nie widzi _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 00:48:47 +0100 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk 1 & 2 question >I've finally tracked down Kraftwerk 1 and Kraftwerk 2 on CD-- the >unofficial Germanofon releases, but before I buy them (at $25 each! Ow!) I so high? maybe you can find them cheaper 2nd hand... it's likely that some K fan has bought them and found them to be too different from what he expexted. or maybe even the vinyl could come cheaper if the seller does not know what he's selling... :-) >was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to preview them for me. In >other works, what should I expect? I own Ralf & Florian on vinyl, and it's >by far my favorite Kraftwerk, so I hope that these two albums have a >similar sound. you are more or less right. these are tracks even more experimental, so to say. yes. I liked them. well made experiments. very listenable. you understand what Florian say when he say that he can listen music in any rumour. of course it's not only rumorism. little of it somewhere. buy maybe one and see. anyway I think you'll like them both. maybe in the cd edition you don't see the pictures of a flower-power Florian with long hair and elephant legs trousers that where on the double album... someone has the two vinyls in the separate, original edition? how do the covers look like? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 01:21:47 -0400 From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: (kw) to our italian KW friends - Crown Records Hello everybody, specially our friends from Italy... (Buonasera!) Some time ago, I could buy a KRAFTWERK 1 bootleg (without bonus). It's from "CROWN RECORDS", CR 0423-2 (1994). Anyone have it? The traffic cone on both covers is not red, as we would expect, but magenta / rose, with a lot of 'aliasing' effects... very strange! The CD is surely not a copy from Germanofon issues, it was taken from a different vinyl LP!! - some track times are a little bit different, and also some tracks are a bit noisy sometimes than Germanofon issues (I compared with the two others - with and without bonus)... Here goes their 'published' address on the CD: Crown Records Ltd Italy, 20058 Villasanta Vla Vicinale Della Briosca 155. By what I know, 'Vla Vicinale Della Briosca' could be translated like 'street ['vicinale'] of the cock (penis)' (!!?!) - but I hope that I'm just not good on italian and that it may be a valid address... !! May any KW italian fan verify this to us? If they exists, they may have other bootlegs... !! *** GOOOOD! *** Also, does anyone have anything else (even not KW) from 'CROWN RECORDS' ?? ciao! ArrivederLa! Bye! Tchau! at=E9! Gis revido! Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 23:45:03 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk 1 & 2 question On 04-Feb-98, lbo wrote: >maybe in the cd edition you don't see the pictures of a flower-power >Florian with long hair and elephant legs trousers that where on the double >album... >someone has the two vinyls in the separate, original edition? how do the >covers look like? You mean the KRAFTWERK and KRAFTWERK 2 releases on Philips? They both use the traffic cones (orange-and-white for the first one, green-and-white for the second) on both sides-- no extra artwork, although there are photo credits listed on each cover. (?!?!?) Maybe I've got some later pressings, and the earlier ones had pictures on the inner sleeves? - -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 04:02:37 +0000 From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Karlheinz strikes back jbv wrote: > BTW, does anyone know if the Hymnen have been reissued on CD ? You'll find Hymnen released by Stockhausen-Verlag, whose address is Stockhausen-Verlag Kettenberg 15 51515 K\"urten Germany Cat# is o10, costing DM 138 (it is a 4 CD-set). There is a site on the net that has extensive information on all material by the composer, including CDs, books and whatever. Unfortunately, there are no facilities to buy via the net, so you'll have to mail the order in case you're interested. The URL is http://www.jimstonebraker.com/stockhausen.html > I didn't find anything on the Web, Deutsch Grammophon doesn't have > any Stockhausen work in its catalogue anymore, and my vinyl copy is > almost dead. Gruppen had a new release last year on DG from a 1994 recording, which I bought. It is quite possible that Stockhausen finally bought the rights to the recording (as he is doing with all his material, with a very few exceptions) and perhaps DG had to discontinue this release. > I've been told that there was a Stockhausen Publishing Company in > Germany which started to reissue most of his compositions, but it > seems like that stuff is almost impossible to find. Impossible, no. Expensive, yes! BTW, I was fortunate enough to tape the broadcast of the Helikopter-Streichquartett so, if you wish, we may trade some video material. It is a very interesting documentary, focusing on behind-the-scenes activity, particularly the preparation of the piece and discussions with the Arditti String Quartet. Best regards. - -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:13:57 +0800 (SGT) From: usura@pacific.net.sg Subject: (kw) The Third World jbv said: >The fact that A. Lennox reached huge sales especially in South-East >Asia with her last album and with such useless stuff as a cover of >"A Whiter Shade of Pale" pisses me off to see how she can be the >complaisant toy of greedy music bussinessmen whose goal is just to >make money by spoiling the tastes of teenagers from Third World >countries... Does saying deliberately inflammatory stuff like this really give you such a big kick? It's so boring. Chong Ching Ching Singapore The Third World # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:00:15 +0100 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) THE MIX desktop-pict Godday, Ive just put the desktop-picture for THE MIX on one of my KW pages, for you who hasn't visited my site before I warn you, I'm one of these ISDN connected guys who dont know what its like to use a modem, but I want my pictures to be of optimal quality and its supposed to look nice even on BI= G screens like mine=2E Anyway, feel free to download at: http://members=2Etripod=2Ecom/~KlingKlang/themix=2Ehtml Regards / Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 09:57:35 +0100 From: Lech Linkiel Subject: Re: (kw) Karlheinz strikes back.. & the lyric affair. Yes, "Hymnen" has been re-issued.. as a nine (that's 9) CD-box; check http://www.skivhugget.se - they've got a ton or so of Stockhausen.. (& other stuff like Elektric M & Yamo..). "Boku wa ongaku ka, dentaku kata te ni.." Did anyone notice that, while the technophiles were busy mudslinging each other off topic, silent cries went out for the lyrics to "Dentaku" & "Minicalculateur"? Any of our Japanese & French friends get that? --lech@netg.se # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:33:02 -0000 From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) Can't we all just get along? Hi, There is a page full of tour dates, it's run by our very own Twingo, the URL is:- http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo/kraftwerk/tourdates.html ciao, - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- Jules Seifert #kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ No:- 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 11:00:35 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) The Third World usura@pacific.net.sg wrote: > > Does saying deliberately inflammatory stuff like this really give you such a big kick? It's so boring. > > Chong Ching Ching > Singapore > The Third World > I guess that it's "Third World countries" that caught your attention and sparkled off your anger. OK, I retract it for I realize it can be shocking in some ways. But I think you shouldn't jump on every word you read without considering the context. It's so predictable... Actually the main topic was Annie Lennox. I can tell you that I spent most of my time in South-East Asia between 92 and 95, and it really pissed me off at certain times to hear her cover of "A Whiter Shade of Pale" almost everywhere I used to go. Coming from the West, I really had the feeling that those fucking major record companies adopted that contemptuous attitude which consist in considering Asian countries as 2nd grade nations (but with an ever growing population of middle-class consumers) where they have the opportunity to recycle and market western glories of the past, when they should (IMO) promote local talents. And it also pissed me off to see that AL could be the complacent toy of such practices. As you can see, so-called Thrid World wasn't exactly the main target of my message. May be I should have made it more explicit, but then I'm afraid that my postings will be 5 Mb long... Another thing I'd like to say is that Asian countries (or at least their politicians and/or media) are also quite complacent towards the american cultural / economical model. Of course, you can say exactly the same about other countries (just like yesterday when french prime minister shaked Bill Gates' hand - but that's another story). A good example is satellite TV and music channels such as Channel V which covers a large area, from Middle-East to Indonesia. In a naive attitude, one could have imagined at the beginning of the 90s that it could reveal tons of fantastic local talents. But as time went by, the amount of local productions on the air has been constantly reduced, in favor of american mainstream stuff. And most of the local items that are still played are pretty closed to american musical standards. I can tell you that a couple of years ago, it took me several days to track down a song by Thai singer Christina that I had heard in a taxi. Some local people knew the song, but had no idea of who was singing. Another problem in SE Asia, is that despite large cultural / ethnic communities and apparent political / cultural integration, everyone listens only music from his own cultural community (Thais listen to Thai music, Vietnamese listen to vietnamese and chinese music, Chinese listen to chinese music, Indians listen to indian music, Malays listen to malay music, etc etc). And this seems even more true in places such as Malaysia and Singapore, where there are 3 large communities (Malay, Chinese and Indian). For instance : a few weeks ago I was in Thailand and I spotted on Channel V a very nice song by Sukhbir, an artist I've never heard of before. The style was bhangra so I went to Tower Records where they have large sections of asian pop, and where I hoped I could find an indian- bhangra section as well. But nobody had heard of that, and no trace of that guy on their computer files. Then I went to little India, where nobody had heard of him either. I made some net research from a local cyber-cafe and found that he was indian / pakistanese with a studio based in Dubai. A couple of weeks later I went to Penang (Malaysia) and finally found his first album in little India. And don't tell me it was some obscure thing, for that 1st album had been released on BMG. Of course, the song I've seen on Channel V wasn't on that album. As you seem to live in Singapore, and as I know that lots of things can be found over there (including KW bootlegs at very low prices), do you have any more info on that ? Regards, jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 04:28:09 -0600 From: "Wadsworth, Troy" Subject: (kw) i'm new Hi everyone, I just subscribed to the list. I live in Texas and am 24 years. Though not a long time fan of kw (obviously by my age), these last four years I have gone nuts buying the music and etc. I have almost nothing to trade (of kw at least) except "the man machine recreated". I do have a cd burner though and an extensive collection of other stuff. I would love to get my dirty little hands on some live stuff....In fact , if anyone out there could tell me where I could purchase a copy of that double cd boot from last years show, I would forever be in yer debt :) thanx troy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 11:44:33 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Third World - part 2 This is an addendum to my previous answer to our friend from Singapore (I didn't include it in the previous post, for I'm afraid some of you get bored when messages get too long). This discussion about local music productions is IMO quite ON topic on this list. If you consider most of the KW interviews I've posted for several months, you'll see that the interest for local "ethnic" = sounds, the necessity for every nation / community to develop its own musical / cultural standards and (to say that shortly) "resist" the american mainstream music influence, have been stressed out by R&F since the mid-70s. This topic has been almost systematically skipped by Bussy in his book, and I regret it for I regard it as one of the most interesting sides of KW musical endeavour. BUT (coz ther's always a but - or a butt ? ) I sometimes find KW = attitude toward this issue a bit ambiguous. Please consider the evolution of their lyrics : - 1974 : Autobahn, german lyrics only - 1976 : RA, after the success of the previous album in the US, songs feature lyrics both in german and english - 1977 : TEE, after the success of RA in France, they have a song in french (les Mannequins) and they also mention paris and Les Champs Elys=E9es - 1981 : after the emergence of japanese synth pop bands such as YMO, they make a jap version of PC, and release it as a single with a cover that clearly imitates (or at least "quotes") japanese products - 1986 : after the success of CW in the NY hispanic club, big surprise, several tunes on EC feature spanish lyrics. If the way they adapt their lyrics to various cultures is great (and quite unusual for a pop band), it also puzzles me to see that this attitude "evolves" according to their commercial successes... jbv P.S. I'm not sure how the russian lyrics of MM fit into the above picture... Does our friend from Prague have any opinion on this ? Didn't Ralf said once that they realized at the end of the 70s that several bootlegs of their albums were released in Eastern Europe, this being one of the main reasons why the CW tour hit such places as Budapest and Prague ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:31:20 +0100 (MET) From: Subject: Re: (kw) to our italian KW friends - Crown Records > Crown Records Ltd > Italy, 20058 Villasanta > Vla Vicinale Della Briosca 155. >=20 > By what I know, 'Vla Vicinale Della Briosca' could be translated like > 'street ['vicinale'] of the cock (penis)' (!!?!) - but I hope that I'm just > not good on italian and that it may be a valid address... !!=0A This is definitely a valid address...give me some time to check it out. "Briosca" means a lot of things in northern Italian dialects...I suspect you didn't choose the best translation ;-) Peace, *Luca* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 06:50:23 -0500 From: "J.T." Subject: (kw) Latest Kraftwerk MIDI - Tiny update For all the MIDI file buffs out there... I've made a tiny change to the ZKM Song #2 MIDI file. It turns out that due to some major instrument inconsistencies between 512k, 2M, 4M, 5M, and 8M Vienna and Chaos soundbanks, certain instruments were not reproduced as I would like. The new version I just posted now reflects the necessary change to eliminate this problem. np: "Home Computer" np=Now Programming ;) - -John 'efofex' Talbert ______________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d "...Enter the carousel; This is the time for renewal." Featuring the electronica of 'EFOFEX' - Debut CD is now available! http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:11:15 -0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Can't we all just get along? >http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo/kraftwerk/tourdates.html Thanks to Jules for posting this web site address, I thought it made quite interesting reading. It's interesting to know not only where they have played but which towns in our relevant local areas once had major bands playing live! I would also be interested in knowing if anyone has, or knows of any live KW performances on vinyl (obviously bootlegs), being up for sale. I am primarily interested in the 1981 and earlier tours. Many thanks, Craig. PS. Bernard Sumner from New Order was again being interviewed on a UK music show last night, he didn't mention anything about KW, he just mentioned that all the guys in New Order have finally got together again after a few years apart doing solo projects. Maybe we can expect something good, it's been a while. He did mention that there will be a four CD box set of Joy Division material re-released which will include some rare, never released on CD, material,.....sounds good even if it is for the manic depressive's!!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 13:21:32 +0000 From: Richard Poolton Subject: [none] JB Morgan wrote: While significantly different, however, I listen to them just as much as the later albums. I definitely recommend them, even at such a painful price. >>>Yeah I just lurv Tanzmusik (totally brilliant), oh and Heimatklange, that's fantastic too. Gimme that older stuff over The Mix-up anytime. Now I feel like clapping and whooping in a strange Germanic kinda way! Rich Bill Clinton? What a man! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 15:34:46 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Weird (but true) story Well, I'm contributing a lot these days... Hope you don't see it as a boring monologue... Anyway, here's something I wanted to talk about for a while... My apologies if it's been discussed already, but I didn't find anything in the archives. I have a vinyl copy of EC which I bought in Paris in nov. 86 (the label is still on it). Telephone Call starts side 2, and in the last part of that song, there are a few "holes" in the sound. In other words, it's just like someone had quickly hit the Mute key of the console a few times in a row... I must admit that it always sounded strange to me, even back in 86, but at the same time, this album is so full of weird delays & reverbs & panings (for 86), that I thought Kervokian had drunk too much french wine (or smoked too much of the studio carpet) and that it was just another hip effect... And I learned to live with it. I must confess that I never really listened side 2 of EC too much, for I never really liked it... Anyway, you can imagine my surprise when a few weeks ago I happened to listen to a CD version of EC and guess what : nothing like that on Telephone call !! I checked carefully again (I remember doing so in 86) but the vinyl isn't scratched nor damaged, and the needle doesn't jump. I transfered that tune to my HD, applied a 20 Hz cuttof hi-pass filter to it in order to remove the turntable rumble, and here it is, very clear : a few short silences. A friend of mine suggested that I left this album for too long in the closet, and that the sound might have been eaten by moth. Ha Ha Ha ! For those interested, if you set an SMTPE time of 00:00:00 at the beginning of the song, it happens between 06:26:10 and 06:32:12, when a voice says "the number you've called is wrong - please call information". Frankly, I don't really know what to think about it. IMO something happened during the mastering session (not during the mix) : for example an engineer checking something and pressing the Mute key (to compare 2 sound sources) but didn't notice that the monitor output was connected straight to the mastering device... Anyway it raises a few questions like : does anyone at EMI check the matrix before starting to duplicate ? And more important : don't KW attend the mastering sessions of their albums ? Does anyone have a clue on that ? Is it just peanuts, or do I have a collector which is worth 10 millions $ ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:06:07 -0600 From: "Eric Oehler" Subject: Re: (kw) The Third World > >>The fact that A. Lennox reached huge sales especially in South-East >>Asia with her last album and with such useless stuff as a cover of >>"A Whiter Shade of Pale" pisses me off to see how she can be the >>complaisant toy of greedy music bussinessmen whose goal is just Umm...that's making the assumption that doing that cover wasn't her idea. AFAIK, it was. All the covers (which I think ws the whole album, but I can't remember) were songs she grew up listening to and wanted to record herself. Personally I thought it was a weak album, especially since I thought "Diva" was an excellent pop disc. Still, I doubt she was being "manipulated" by "greedy music businessmen" since they were, after all, her favorite songs. I can't picture the CEO of Capitol records storming into a recording session and shouting "You! Lennox! Dammit, you're gunna record all your favorite songs, and you're gunna LIKE it!" If they'd been aiming for marketing reasons, they'd have probably requested another album of originals, since the first one sold so well. - ---- Eric Oehler http://www.itis.com/~wonko wonko@itis.com Finger for PGP key Segmentation Fault (core dumped) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:19:18 -0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) The Third World >I can't picture the CEO of Capitol records storming into a >recording session and shouting "You! Lennox! Dammit, you're gunna record >all your favorite songs, and you're gunna LIKE it!" Or,............ "Oi you, Lennox, ...........NO"! "If Annie Lennox came round here with her weak cover versions, I would have to say, Lennox, NO. I respect your years of solid work from the Tourists right upto your solo albums like Diva, but keep your cover ideas to yourself". (UK residents who are fans of 'Harry Enfield' will know what I am talking about,....sorry to everyone else,....just good ole Brit humour!!). Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #46 ******************************