From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #48 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Friday, February 6 1998 Volume 02 : Number 048 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:49:35 EST From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Electronic orgasm - NGD (81,82,83,84) On Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:03:40 -0800 **************** writes: > >Despite been beaten by U2, Simple Minds had with NGD (81,82,83,84) = >produced one of the most INFLUENTIAL and BEST ELECTRONIC albums of all >= >time you should check out or re-listen to reel to real cacophany (78) and themes for great cities (79) (with the companion bonus sister feelings call), b4 u make this statement...as to their "decline", imo, real life was a damn fine piece of work.... tom w np: ken ishii - jelly tones _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 11:09:27 -0500 From: J Talbert Subject: Re: (kw) ZKM song 2 Emanuel Mair wrote: > Greetings! > > Has anybody managed to dl the complete 2:nd untitled ZKM song in > mpeg-audio format via John Talbert's site? I get an average dl rate at > ~~150 cps no matter which time of day I try, so with the Swedish phone > rates it's simply not possible. > > If you have got it, I'd be much obliged if you could upload it to your > homepage or mail it directly to me (mail me first for confirmation so > that I don't have to get my diskquota totally crammed). If I get the > file, I'll naturally make it available via my homepage. > > If anbody missed the 1:st "ZKM song" or the "Tribal Gathering song", > they're also available at my homepage (in mpeg(3)-audio): > http://medstud.gu.se/~mair/kw.html I apologize for any download problems anyone is having with this file. Due to its size and an attempt to keep song #1 on line a bit longer, I had to place the file on my www.internet-club account. Its seems however, that they are having way too many server problems for my taste. So as soon as possible I'll try and move it to a different server (although I'll now have to remove song #1 to do it) Also, if anyone decides to put these files on different web/ftp sites, please let me know so I can add your mirror link to the Active-K page. Regards, - -John 'efofex' Talbert _____________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d "...Enter the carousel; This is the time for renewal." Featuring the electronica of 'EFOFEX' - Debut CD is now available! http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:39:16 EST From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Do Kraftwerk make their own albums? In a message dated 2/5/98 8:15:36 AM, jbv wrote: <> I doubt I could do anything, but the place in Ohio - The Recording Workshop - supposedly has (or had) Bill Halverson fairly regularly as a guest speaker. I kind of got the impression that he was somewhat of a regular guest speaker at the place when other people - like Thomas Dolby or Bob Clearmountain wasn't available.........needless to say - I didn't even know that his name was on TEE at the time or I would've asked some questions.......... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:49:13 -0500 From: MCINTYRE@pa.msu.edu Subject: re: (kw) Kraftwerk 1 & 2 question >From: "John B. Morgan" >> Probably the way I would describe them is to describe it track-by track. >> Personally, I consider Kraftwerk to not be my favorite - Kraftwerk 2 and >> Autobahn are my favorites. The Kraftwerk 2 is a Germanofon, and my >> Kraftwerk is a Gema with a "bonus track" that may well not be on the >> Germanofon release. >What is this extra track, anyway? I've heard of it before, but it's never >been identified. As an owner of the Germanofon version, I'm curious. The Gema bonus cuts were from a radio concert in Cologne in 1975. There is a separate CD of that concert that has all the bonus cuts. Given the superior sound quality of the Germanofon releases, I'd recommend getting them and the Cologne CD rather than the Gema releases. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:12:16 +0000 From: "Miles Escherich" <208.219.138.31@lists.xmission.com> Subject: (kw) Simple Minds, Pet Shop Boys, Erasure, and Kraftwerk Now I do remember enjoying a lot of early '80s synth-pop, at least what I could find as a teenager in a small town, and some of the albums I liked and still have some affection for would probably make a lot of listies gag. The reason of course was that I was about 15 when CW came out and I would have to wait 3 years for Tour de France and then another 12 years or so for EC. So think of these as my "guilty pleasures." :) New Gold Dream was a great album. I also enjoyed Vince Clarke's work with Yazoo, that very clean, very synthy sound. I missed a lot of what came from Vince's studio after Yazoo (like Erasure), but I guess he found his niche: a clean texture and a taste for pure pop instead of minimal explorations. But I was also a big Ultravox head (Vienna and Rage In Eden-- loved that Peter Saville neo-classical package design!). And OMD too... Architecture and Morality was good, as well as the tape collages on Dazzle Ships. I have never bothered to go out and buy anything by the Pet Shop Boys, because they don't thrill me all that much, but whenever I hear them, I enjoy them. Same thing with Bronski Beat and the Communards... a lot of that stuff speaks to a very different sensibility. A lot of this stuff had the tendency to get overblown or syrupy, but sometimes you want a little syrup. I have learned not to take "music snobs" too seriously. I have acquaintances who are electronic music "experts" who don't appreciate KW, but they will listen to the latest Bjork or Laika or Land-o-Loops. Nothing wrong with these folks, but being an intelligent listener in the last analysis depends on how you listen than what you listen to. Reply to miles@usinternet.com or xman_11@hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:27:02 +0100 From: Martin Niedergesaess Subject: (kw) concert confirmed by MCT MCT wrote in their newsletter: Kraftwerk - - just confirmed the Rolkilde Festival ! does anybody know what *rolkilde* means?? martin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:29:32 +0100 From: Martin Niedergesaess Subject: (kw) p.s. concert confirmed p.s. here is the link for the concert: http://www.tickets.de/artists/art7.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:57:35 +0100 From: Martin Niedergesaess Subject: AW: (kw) concert confirmed by MCT thanks lars, i just found the official festivals homepage, but no mention of kw yet: http://www.roskilde-festival.dk/1998/english/index.htm martin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 98 18:57:14 +0000 From: lbo@iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) concert confirmed by MCT > > MCT wrote in their newsletter: > > > Kraftwerk > - just confirmed the Rolkilde Festival ! > > > does anybody know what *rolkilde* means?? it's probably the danish Roskilde festival, one of the biggest rock events.. now, does anybody know what *MCT* is? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 05:34:39 +0000 From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) hmm band bashing express >.. >I think there is no sense to compare KW and PSB. They play totally different >music, PSB's sha-la-la music is really far from me (and far from KW's technical >music). I disagree. listen to the "relentless" CD from 1993 if you can and you'll see an album as good "trans europe express" in my opinion, recorded free from commercial pressures of number 2 hit singles. try it. you don't have to like it, but "sha-la-la" is a bit of a simplistic view of the PSB. "sha-la-la" as I read it refers more to a blatantly comemrcial boy band, which the pet shop boys were initially pidgeon holed as. I think anyone listen to any of their later material will be able to see this is one they are not. M, I don't know where all this has come from, but there does seem to be a fair amount of band bashing going on over the past few weeks. on a brighter note listen back to the ZKM cd.. for "die roboter" where the songs breaks down into "robotnik" for some strange reason, the vocals switch from german to english..! Mark - -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 22:13:44 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Bill Halverson SRRecords@aol.com wrote: > > I doubt I could do anything, but the place in Ohio - The Recording Workshop - > supposedly has (or had) Bill Halverson fairly regularly as a guest speaker. I > kind of got the impression that he was somewhat of a regular guest speaker at > the place when other people - like Thomas Dolby or Bob Clearmountain wasn't > available.........needless to say - I didn't even know that his name was on > TEE at the time or I would've asked some questions.......... > I SEE ! You should have known ! This is the blatant proof that you're not a real KW fan... More seriously : does anyone else on this list think it could be interesting to get this guy's memories on the TEE mix sessions and that it's worth trying to locate him, or is it just another old JBV's weird and masochistic ideas ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 22:14:13 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) CW sounds (was "pet shop boys" - oddly). SRRecords@aol.com wrote: >=20 > Well - if you listen closely to Computer World, you realize that most o= f the > sounds are very easy to achieve with some pretty normal analog synthesi= zers. (...) The most interesting > aspects of Computer World intellectually, for me, are the vocal aspects= , the > strange start-stop abrubt reverb endings mainly found on Home Computer = (which > I think were done with tape loops or some other tape-based technique),=20 Do you mean the looped sound effects / reverbs in the second half of the song "Home computer" ? I must confess that, as a big fan of "musique concrete" and other early experimentations, THAT part caught my attention from the first=20 time I heard CW. Indeed, I see it as a quote of electronic music as it was made in K=F6ln or Paris in the 60s & 70s. I think it's been done in a very simple way : the main part (those synth arpeges) being recorded on one track of the tape recorder, and various delays and reverbs (with various lengths and depths) recorded continuously in sync with the main beat on a few other tracks. Then the=20 whole effect is achieved by muting / unmuting those tracks (featuring reverbs and delays) in sync with the beat every 2 or 4 bars. In other words : playing rythmically the mix board ! I think this is consistent with the whole CW / KK "studio as an instrument" concept. And furthermore, if you check the credits for CW, you'll notice that Florian is credited for music composition on that song and also on Numbers. I might be wrong, but I'm almost certain that those effects on HC and the idea of using counting voices as rythmic patterns on Numbers ARE Florian's ideas, and can't be Hutter's nor Bartos' ideas... I don't know why, just a feeling... May be does it come from various things Florian said in interviews, or when Ralf says that he's mainly in charge with software, while Florian is mainly busy with hardware and "electronic humour"... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 22:14:48 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) hmm band bashing express Mark Reed wrote: > M, I don't know where all this has come from, but there does seem to be > a fair amount of band bashing going on over the past few weeks. Yeah. Trashing dead bands is a nice occupation during long winter evenings... So let's keep trashing TD, Lennox, KW, PSB, DM, HL, etc. etc. > > on a brighter note listen back to the ZKM cd.. for "die roboter" where > the songs breaks down into "robotnik" for some strange reason, the > vocals switch from german to english..! > The young trainee of the KK studio launched the wrong tape... He also forgot to plug a couple of robots... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 22:17:12 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk 1 & 2 question Bill Dobiesz wrote: > > (...) > 2) Atem (Breath) 2:57 > The title describes it better than I could. I personally find it > highly annoying, and it is undoubtedly my least liked Kraftwerk song. Funny... I for one always loved that piece, even in the early 70s. I found the way they used white / pink noise to imitate human breathe a thrilling idea. BTW, when JMJ did something similar a few years later (imitating waves crashing on the seashore - of course no relation with KW), I found THAT pretty annoying... Actually, as the years went by and as KW albums popped up from time to time, I've always regarded that piece as their first (proto) experiment with synthetic human voice... NO synthetic voice without electronic breathe... But what kind of toothpaste ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:08:40 +0100 From: "Marcus Fjellström" Subject: (kw) Bartos wrote my homework! Hello everybody! Now, get this: Yesterday I had one of my percussion lessons. My percussion tutor thought it would be nice if we could perform a duet together, so he gave me a selection of sheet music for two percussionists. I looked them through, somewhat uninterested, but suddenly - something rang a bell. I held in my hand, a nice piece of work called "Drei kleine Stücke für Xylophon und Vibraphon" (Three small pieces for xylophone and vibraphone), composed by Karl Bartos. Hello!? "Bartos? Could it really be him?" I thought. It would be totally possible - as he was (and still is) a trained percussionist. Anyway, I turned to the last page, where there was a whole lot of information about this Karl Bartos. Guess what it said? Well, he was born in 1952 (correct), studied in Düsseldorf (correct), 'active interest in electronic music since 1974' - well, there you have it. It is THE Karl Bartos. I was stunned beyond words all day, I couldn't dream of finding his name in this situation. So - my percussion homework was written by a member of Kraftwerk. Jealous yet? /Marcus, Sweden # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 23:04:40 -0800 From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: Re: (kw) Can't we all just get along? hi, craig land wrote to the list: > I would also be interested in knowing if anyone has, or knows of any li= ve KW > performances on vinyl (obviously bootlegs), being up for sale. I am > primarily interested in the 1981 and earlier tours. here they are, as far as i know: K=F6ln 1971 =09 LP ?? GE Ruckzuck 630 5051 pic disc, black rim LP ?? GE Ruckzuck 630 5051 pic disc, clear rim Kometenmelodie =09 Cologne, Germany, 22 Mar 1975 =09 LP ?? BE Dreamradio Records 197-503-22=09 recording of a concert broadcast by the WDR =09 Machine =09 Paris, 28.2.1976; Utrecht, 1981 =09 LP ?? UK ...607003 (?) red / white label info sheet with wrong infos: A-Side Utrecht not Stockholm 1982, B-Side Track list: French Connection / Pariesienne Night / L'Ectrique although Kometenmelodie 1 / 2; "ltd promo issue for swedish radio stations" (??) =09 Security Device =09 Mailand 1981 =09 2LP 87 ?? Tring Trang SOUND 435 K=09 Ja Tvoy Sluga Ja Tvoy Rabotnik =09 M=FCnchen 1981 =09 2LP 81 GE Alive Rec. LR 12 orange vinyl 2LP 81 ?? ?? (same?) black vin. Computerwelt =09 London 3.7.81 =09 3LP 81 UK ...=09 Central Passage =09 Florenz, 1981 =09 2LP 81 ?? Dreamradio Records 19810519=09 Stimme der Energie (evtl. The Voice of Energy?) =09 M=FCnchen 1981, Teil 1 =09 LP ?? ?? ??=09 Autobahn =09 M=FCnchen 1981, Teil 2 =09 LP ?? ?? ?? no cover, only small animated sheet with track list=09 Kraft Box Vol. 1 =09 M=FCnchen 1981 =09 2LP 9? ?? ... ltd box-set (30 copies?), pics of '91 i own a few of them. if you have any further questions, feel free to ask hope this helps regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 17:09:56 EST From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) CW sounds (was "pet shop boys" - oddly). In a message dated 2/5/98 9:20:10 PM, jbv wrote: <> Yes - the end of the song with the scales and the tinkling self-oscillating filters......I think they may have been done like you suggest........by syncing a tape loop with the tinkling noises etc via SMPTE, this effect could have been easily achieved with a mute button (i practice this technique sometimes myself....) I think that this reverb manipulation also paved the way for what I consider to be rather advanced and interesting reverb/delay/panning on Electric Cafe - some of the most interesting I've heard in pop music.......... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 17:14:12 EST From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) concert confirmed by MCT On Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:27:02 +0100 Martin Niedergesaess writes: > >MCT wrote in their newsletter: >Kraftwerk >- just confirmed the Rolkilde Festival ! >does anybody know what *rolkilde* means?? martin > its roskilde and its someplace in denmark and it has a great festival every year... tom w np: jah wobble presents the light programme _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 00:02:16 +0100 From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: (kw) Update of list of Concertdates I have updated my list of Conmcertdates (previously known as Tourdates) No major updates just some small additions Also I have combined all the seperate html's to one big one Thanks to Klaus Zaepke for keeping me updated on any new dates! old link: http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo/kraftwerk/tourdates.html new link: http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo/kraftwerk/concertdates/concertdates.html (there's a link from the old to the new one) PLEASE ALL LOOK CLOSELY TO this list and MAIL ME or Klaus With updates!!! groeten, Dolf / / dolf@twingo.xs4all.nl / twingo@xs4all.nl ----/---/---- http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo / / http://twingo.xs4all.nl (if online) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 01:43:44 +0100 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Bartos wrote my homework! >in my hand, a nice piece of work called "Drei kleine St=FCcke f=FCr= Xylophon und >Vibraphon" (Three small pieces for xylophone and vibraphone), composed by >Karl Bartos. Hello!? "Bartos? Could it really be him?" I thought. It would hey! that's great! do you know if there are other of these? in which year it was copyrighted? do you know if it was recorded? how do they sound like? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 17:04:29 -0700 From: Farki Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me depressed :~( William Talley wrote: >> >Kraftwerk was good for it's time... but that time was some time ago! >> >> Really? And when was PSB good? > >Oh good gravy! Someone disparages Kraftwerk on their own mailing list and all that >you can do is help them along. I'm packing up and heading back to Kansas with my >little dog too. Oh, Bill, don't do it! I did not want to hurt you! But what did you expect in the KW-mailing list? Maybe: "Yes, this Billy boy is speaking from my heart!" And, Mark: yes, indeed, I do not know the history of PSB, but what can I see: PSB release 2-3 top-hit songs per year which are (IMHO) totally uninteresting, and barely rise from the other hundreds of same style music. Anyway, probably the music of PSB is good comparing to the other PSB-similar music, but I cant compare to KW, even if PSB vocalizing better. The only point I can agree with Will, that kicking each others favorite groups is absolutely waste of time. - Farki - PS. Please, flame me privately! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 01:18:58 +0000 From: Christoph Soltmannowski Subject: (kw) «The Big Lebowski», 2nd part Sorry, I didn't mention it: «The Big Lebowski» ist new movie of Joël and Ethan Coën («Fargo», «Raising Arizona», «Barton Fink») an will be out in March. - -- _______________________________ PressNet/Christoph Soltmannowski soltoc@dial.eunet.ch http://www.innovation.ch/pbs Pressebüro & Kommunikation Dufourstrasse 72 CH-8008 Zürich Switzerland Tel ++41-+1-380 01 33 Fax ++41-1-3810361 _______________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 21:22:15 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) =?iso-8859-1?Q?=ABThe?= Big =?iso-8859-1?Q?Lebowski=BB,?= 2nd part On 06-Feb-98, Christoph Soltmannowski wrote: >Sorry, I didn't mention it: =ABThe Big Lebowski=BB ist new movie of Jo=EB= l and >Ethan Co=EBn (=ABFargo=BB, =ABRaising Arizona=BB, =ABBarton Fink=BB) an = will be out in >March. = >-- = Oh. - -- = Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 21:07:12 +0000 From: Ernesto Perez Subject: (kw) Merengue Adam Scefflen wrote: Speaking of EMI's vast catalog, check out "Merenexitos," on EMI Latin (H2-23390 or 7243 8 23390 2 1). Merengue's one of the music world's best-kept secrets! Peace. Um... that depends on what part of the world you are from. Ernie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 21:09:22 +0000 From: Ernesto Perez Subject: (kw) Lay-off > >here's why the comparison is faulty. the pet shop boys (as far as I know) >didn't need to rework their synths to get the sounds they wanted...they >came from the factory just fine for them. they didn't need to invent their >own percussion, they didn't need to do much beyond write their songs. no >building studios, nothing... > Nothing. Yep, that just about sums up PSB. Preset sounds, preset songs. Is it me, or do they keep releasing the same song? > >I could be wrong...I'm just guessing, actually. even if I am wrong, I'm >guessing the "specs" behind a pet shop boys studio wouldn't involve much >beyond installing existing equipment. > hehe, agreed. 'Hey Neil, when I press the demo button, start the damn tape deck and sing in the monotone voice you usually sing in' ;-) Jules Funny, but untrue. Fact is that the Pet Shop Boys actually met while going through an electronics shop looking for synth parts. Their original work woth Bobby O and their first album actually had cannibalized keyboards in it. To this day most oftheir stuff is actually customized to their order. Ernie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 21:11:52 +0000 From: Ernesto Perez Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me depressed :~( wootton robin wrote: > > > > hehe, agreed. "Hey Neil, when I press the demo button, start the damn > > tape deck and sing in the monotone voice you usually sing in" ;-) > > > It's just so frustrating!!!!!! No matter how much I try to reason with you, or > how much I gradually stretched you until the joints of your ankles and knees > and shoulders and elbows popped apart, and no matter how much you pleaded you > were wrong after all, you still wouldn't truly believe you were wrong. > > But you are very wrong, believe me.. ...if Niel Tennant sings in monotone then > what do you call the gormless spoken Kraftwerk voice?! > > Combined with the type of synth-pop music that Kraftwerk were paving > the way towards, such spine-chillingly ahhh-that-hits-the-spot angelic > tranquillic emotional singing makes the Pet Shop Boys the best sound ever. > > It makes me almost tearful to read Kraftwerk fans insulting the groups which > Kraftwerk inspired. Especially when vice versa, I recognise how vital Kw were > to those later groups sounds... You don't know what your preconceptions and > closed-mindedness are causing you to be missing! I have to agree with you on this one. To understand Kraftwerk you must see what effects they had on the rest of the music world. It;s not like we are comparing them to say, Robert Miles. You want preset sounds? that motherfucker can't even create his own drum patterns! Give the Boys their credit. It could have been as bad as Kylie! Ernie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 19:18:22 -0800 From: Jean-Luc Turbo Subject: (kw) Hey pals... Hey pals, Announcing our thank you to being a part of this group. We at the Cult of Eidophusikon we're quite pleased when we learned of you guys. Many founding members have been Kraftwerk fans for quite some time now...which is saying a lot when I think about other bands I'm not really into anymore...somehow Kraftwerk remains the fetish of choice...I can think of some reasons why, but I'm sure you know what they are. We're not hardcore collecters, although our vinyl collection with the german import 12"'s and all is somewhat impressive...mostly we just can't get enough of the musique nonstop (fetish reason #1?)... When in L.A., visit us at the Hollywood Compound... Best Regards, Jean-Luc Turbo jean_luc_turbo@yahoo.com eidocult@pacbell.net P.S. - As we finally figured out how to post properly, we've been watching in silence for quite some time. A few messages: jbv: it's nice when you're nice (i.e. - as of late)... ROBOT: haven't seen any postings lately...are you o.k.? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 19:33:09 PST From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: (kw) Address Change Hello all, My normal e-mail address (not my HotMail address) has changed! My old e-mail address: pliethen@globaldialog.com My NEW e-mail address: pliethen@execpc.com Please note the change, Thanks! - -Peter Liethen pliethen@execpc.com http://petenet.dragonfire.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 01:13:04 +0000 From: Christoph Soltmannowski Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk joke in =?iso-8859-1?Q?=ABThe?= Big =?iso-8859-1?Q?Lebowski=BB?= movie As a movie journalist, I was at the press screening of =ABThe Big Lebowski=BB, the new movie with Jeff Bridges, John Goodman, Julianne Moor= e and others. There's a sequence when Julianne Moore shows an LP cover which is titled =ABAutobahn =96 Nagelbett=BB with three guys in red shirts with black tie= s (!!!) on the cover and says: =ABIt's some kind of technopop and they released it in the mid-70s=BB. The three men are the bad guys in this ver= y funny story, some criminal nihilists with terrible German accents. The three nihilists are played by Peter Stormare, Torsten Voges and Flea (of the Red Hot Chili Peppers). - -- = Christoph Soltmannowski "Dial again" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 17:21:55 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman Subject: (kw) "Early Days" information? Looking at Twingo's list of concert dates, I was curious to see a bootleg named "Early Days" of a 28.2.76 Paris concert listed . Can someone provide me with a track listing, and more importantly, a tape of it? ;-) Pointers to obtain a copy of this CD would also be gladly accepted... Thanks, CRZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 02:23:53 -0600 From: "Wadsworth, Troy" Subject: (kw) boot cd's Does anyone out there know about any boot cd's from kw for sale ANYWHERE? I have been looking but with no luck. Please , anyone.....Or if anyone has any boot cds and a cdwriter? I could make it worth their time :) thanx troy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 08:22:06 -0800 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Simple Minds, Pet Shop Boys, Erasure, and Kraftwerk >I have learned not to take "music snobs" too seriously. I have=20 acquaintances who are electronic music "experts" who don't appreciate=20 KW, but they will listen to the latest Bjork or Laika or=20 Land-o-Loops. Nothing wrong with these folks, but being an=20 intelligent listener in the last analysis depends on how you listen=20 than what you listen to.<=20 You are correct. Electronic music has been influenced by many bands we = don't generally discuss here such as those you mention. Also overlooked = often are Godley & Creme following on from 10CC. Their influence on = electronic music was incalculably enormous. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 08:13:23 -0800 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) it makes me depressed :~( Farki wrote:- >And, Mark: yes, indeed, I do not know the history of PSB, but what can = I see: PSB release 2-3 top-hit songs per year which are (IMHO) totally = uninteresting, and barely rise from the other hundreds of same style music.< I completely agree with your point. As I said, PSB have released a = number of ineffectual and pointless albums. Comparing them to Kraftwerk = shows an embarassing lack of understanding by some people. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 08:14:53 -0800 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) it makes me depressed :~( > > It makes me almost tearful to read Kraftwerk fans insulting the groups which > Kraftwerk inspired. Especially when vice versa, I recognise how vital Kw were > to those later groups sounds... You don't know what your preconceptions and > closed-mindedness are causing you to be missing! hehehe....God help you if this sort of thing reduces you to tears. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 08:27:56 -0800 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Fed up with EMI? >Can you believe that there's no mention at all of a certain band at EMI's 100th anniversary website (http://www.emi100.com)? I think I smell a conspiracy.< I hate to say this, but I've read that EMI have jettisoned Kraftwerk. This could explain why they aren't mentioned?? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 08:32:37 -0800 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Electronic orgasm - NGD (81,82,83,84) tom w wrote: >b4 u make this statement...as to their "decline", imo, real life was a damn fine piece of work....< Real Life was an embarassing fiasco. Your statement is an example of revisionism gone mad. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:53:26 +0100 From: gekn@ebifsol9.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de (Gerd Knochenhauer) Subject: (kw) Professor Schneider Hello, this morning I read in our local newspaper (BNN) that Florian Schneider will be a Professor at the HfG in Karlsruhe for at least 3 years (HfG = Hochschule für Gestaltung; Academy for Media Art and Design). He will be a Professor of Performance and something else I just can't remember. Gerd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #48 ******************************