From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #49 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Friday, February 6 1998 Volume 02 : Number 049 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 03:07:11 -0700 (MST) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) boot cd's On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, Wadsworth, Troy wrote: > Does anyone out there know about any boot cd's from kw for sale ANYWHERE? > I have been looking > but with no luck. Please , anyone.....Or if anyone has any boot cds and a > cdwriter? I could make > it worth their time :) I have a CD writer, but no bootleg material. However, I believe I spotted what might be a bootleg at "http://www.vinylvendors.com". Do a search for Kraftwerk at their site. One of the CDs listed I haven't heard of before as an official release. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 05:18:52 -0500 From: "A. D. Alvarez" Subject: Re: (kw) Fed up with EMI? <> They are prominently mentioned in the EMI 100 booklet that came with the remastered edition of Kate Bush's HOUNDS OF LOVE. (Incidentally, a remaster worth getting if you're into KB -- it makes the original CD mastering sound pretty lousy.) - -- Aldo Alvarez Editor Blithe House Quarterly: a site for gay short fiction URL: http://www.spectra.net/~aalvarez/BHQ.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:46:54 -0000 From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: (kw) Electric Cafe? - Not crap! >I think that this reverb manipulation also paved the >way for what I consider to be rather advanced and interesting >reverb/delay/panning on Electric Cafe - some of the most interesting I've >heard in pop music.......... > So I'm not the only one who sings the virtues of the production on EC? That album always seems to get trashed by kw fans and other, but it is one of the most deep and stunning albums (on side 1 of course) I have heard for a long while. Each small part appears to have had massive thought and delicacy applied. As somebody once posted, it's like the difference between vga and svga. > On the down side of course is side 2, which harps back a couple of years, and is in no comparison to the technical input to side 1, I had hoped that KW would move more into this direction with another release at the time, but I sops the bashing from the press didn't help matters. As for the critics who described it as 'music for rappers' I honestly can't remember hearing any hip-hop or rap with that amount of production and clarity at that period in the 80's. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 98 10:54:16 +0000 From: lbo@iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) Lay-off > original work woth Bobby O and their first album actually had who is Bobby O? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 12:16:41 +0100 From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: (kw) concert confirmed by MCT > Don't know about Rolkilde, but Roskilde is a town in Denmark. The > Roskilde-festival is an annual event since some 20 years. > > /Joakim > > -----Original Message----- > > MCT wrote in their newsletter: > > > Kraftwerk > - just confirmed the Rolkilde Festival ! > > > does anybody know what *rolkilde* means?? > > martin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 12:43:00 +0100 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: Vb: (kw) concert confirmed by MCT >Kraftwerk >- just confirmed the Rolkilde Festival ! Can anybody confirm this, there's nothing on the Roskilde web-pages nor on the Kraftwerk=2Ecom konzert-page, if it's true its a BIG awaited appearance= on that festival, I've always wished that they wold go there=2E In 1996 I saw Riuchi Sakamoto of YMO make a very nice performance on this festival=2E But this is BIG! /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:42:54 GMT From: wootton robin <96188726@brookes.ac.uk> Subject: (kw) God >> It makes me tearful to read Kraftwerk fans insulting the groups >> which Kraftwerk paved the way towards. Especially when vice >> versa, I recognise how vital Kw were to those later groups sounds... > >hehehe....God help you if this sort of thing reduces you to tears. > And God help YOU, when you die and go to heaven, and hear the Petshopboys on God's stereo, and finally discover the perfect angelic ecstatic bliss, and you'll regret that you'd closed your mind to it for all of your life woottie 96188726 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 14:12:06 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Electric Cafe? - Not crap! Jules Seifert wrote: > > So I'm not the only one who sings the virtues of the production on EC? That > album always seems to get trashed by kw fans and other, but it is one of the > most deep and stunning albums (on side 1 of course) I have heard for a long > while. Each small part appears to have had massive thought and delicacy > applied. (...) > > > On the down side of course is side 2, which harps back a couple of years, > and is in no comparison to the technical input to side 1, I had hoped that > KW would move more into this direction with another release at the time, but > I sops the bashing from the press didn't help matters. As for the critics > who described it as 'music for rappers' I honestly can't remember hearing > any hip-hop or rap with that amount of production and clarity at that period > in the 80's. > Believe it or not, I quite agree with you too, although I've always wondered who was really behind that "massive thought and delicacy" on side 1 : KW or Kervorkian ? As for critics back in 86 : I don't know about other countries, but here in France, they actually described side 1 of EC as "soundtrack for rappers" which is a bit different... It meant that after the use of Numbers & TEE by A. Bambataa and their success in various NY hispanic & funk clubs, KW seemed more busy in producing elaborate soundscapes that rappers could grab for their own use, than producing euro techno- pop songs as they used to do before... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 14:13:01 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Hey pals... Jean-Luc Turbo wrote: > > jbv: it's > nice when you're nice (i.e. - as of late)... GRRRR !!! I'm ALWAYS nice ! But in various ways... > P.S. - As we finally figured out how to post properly, we've been > watching in silence for quite some time. Most mailing lists work roughly on the same standards, with too many members watching in silence, some of them raising the top of their heads at times to try to sell their cans of soup, or asking for info when they're too lazy to make a simple net search... BTW, I really regret that no bilingual english-german member has yet found a couple of hours to translate and post the interview of Ralf mentioned a couples of weeks ago... Sorry folks, but I for one find this a bit hard to swallow... OK, forget it... I'm just an old idealistic hippie... Cheers, jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 09:01:26 EST From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Electronic orgasm - NGD (81,82,83,84) On Fri, 6 Feb 1998 08:32:37 -0800 **************** writes: >tom w wrote: > >>b4 u make this statement...as to their "decline", imo, real life >was a damn fine piece of work....< > >Real Life was an embarassing fiasco. Your statement is an example of >revisionism gone mad. > curious...how can an album be a "fiasco"?...and, who was embarassed by it? certainly not simple minds, and if it was you, who gives a fuck? also, quit reading political manifestos..."revisionism gone mad" ???? christ.... tom w np: pg in stockholm 1993 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:53:05 -0800 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) God woottie > And God help YOU, when you die and go to heaven, and hear the Petshopboys on God's stereo, and finally discover the perfect angelic ecstatic bliss, and you'll regret that you'd closed your mind to it for all of your life < You've given all a reason for behaving badly and having what we want in this life (not that one was needed). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:36:02 +0100 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) Sakamoto (Off topic) did u or anyone u know tape this show? ive got lots to trade=2E=2E=2E=2Ereg= ards, tom w Sorry, just watched and enjoyed, It was an concertsetting with RS on piano (the big curvy piano I don't know what it's called in english) and two othe= r guys on cello/violin - not what everybody had expected i suppose, but the 3000 people tent was more than full, and it was a great atmosfere=2E Riuchi= and the other guys seemed really suprised of the great response from the audien= ce even though there was'n a synthesizer in sight=2E He opened one of the songs saying: This is a song by a band you might know, theyre called the Yellow magic orchestra - and of course we all just loved it=2E /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:28:38 +0100 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: Sv: AW: (kw) concert confirmed by MCT I tries also /roskilde=2Ehtml, /concert=2Ehtml, /festival=2Ehtml and some other stuff=20 but I unfortunatelly got only errors from their web server=2E The correct adress is : http://www=2Eroskilde-festival=2Edk/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:54:50 -0800 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Electronic orgasm - NGD (81,82,83,84) mode ELEGANTLY stated:- >>Real Life was an embarassing fiasco. Your statement is an example of=20 revisionism gone mad.<< tom w CRUDLY countered with:- >curious...how can an album be a "fiasco"?...and, who was embarassed by it? certainly not simple minds, and if it was you, who gives a fuck?=20 also, quit reading political manifestos..."revisionism gone mad" ????=20 christ....< The fact that Virgin dropped SM after Real Life and GNFTNW shows they = thought both were sub-standard. This was embarrassing because SM claimed = that both of the aforementioned albums marked a return to their = previously high standards. The whole sorry episode was a fiasco; perhaps = REVISIONISM will airbrush both albums from history. Let us hope that the new SM album will see a return to form! mode.123 PS: Others have mentioned it and I would like to highlight the issue = again. Strongly disagreeing and attacking individuals opinions is fine. = Attacking the individual serves only to demean the attacker and = undermine his/her credibility. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:03:33 -0000 From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) Electric Cafe? - Not crap! jbv:- > >Believe it or not, I quite agree with you too, although I've always >wondered who was really behind that "massive thought and delicacy" on >side 1 : KW or Kervorkian ? > Good question. Was kevorkian's input full production, or were kraftwerk looking for the finishing touches? > >As for critics back in 86 : I don't know about other countries, but >here in France, they actually described side 1 of EC as "soundtrack for >rappers" which is a bit different... It meant that after the use of >Numbers & TEE by A. Bambataa and their success in various NY hispanic >& funk clubs, KW seemed more busy in producing elaborate soundscapes >that rappers could grab for their own use, than producing euro techno- >pop songs as they used to do before... > Yeah, excuse my phrase, I meant exactly what you said there. It was easy to see why the statement was mode, although I would have taken that as a compliment if it were me who produced an album that was so readily used by the rap lot. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 10:48:47 -0500 From: Marc Houle Subject: (kw) Kevorkian Can anyone direct me as to where I can find out more info about this Kevorkian guy? I've seen his name alot over the years but have never read anything about him! Marc # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:55:15 -0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Kevorkian > >Can anyone direct me as to where I can find out more info about this >Kevorkian guy? >I've seen his name alot over the years but have never read anything about him! Just do a search for Kevorkian on the Net, I found a site quite a while ago giving his full life history and discography. Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:14:27 -0500 From: Mark Stagg Subject: (kw) Kevorkian > Can anyone direct me as to where I can find out more info about this > Kevorkian guy? > I've seen his name alot over the years but have never read anything abo= ut > him! > Marc Dunno if this is of much use to you personally (not sure where you're pos= ting = from) but the current (March 98) issue of the UK music tech magazine "The= Mix" (NOT the US mag of the same name) has a 4-page interview with Francois = Kevorkian, tracing his career as DJ, A&R man, and producer/remixer. KW ar= e = mentioned a couple of times, but nothing paticularly of note. Nice to see= what he looks like, though. STAGGMAN = # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 11:56:11 EST From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Electronic orgasm - NGD (81,82,83,84) On Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:54:50 -0800 **************** writes: > >mode ELEGANTLY stated:- > >>>Real Life was an embarassing fiasco. Your statement is an example >of=20 >revisionism gone mad.<< > >tom w CRUDLY countered with:- > >>curious...how can an album be a "fiasco"?...and, who was embarassed >by >it? certainly not simple minds, and if it was you, who gives a >fuck?=20 >also, quit reading political manifestos..."revisionism gone mad" >????=20 >christ....< > >The fact that Virgin dropped SM after Real Life and GNFTNW shows they >= >thought both were sub-standard. first off, there was an interval of 4 years between these two records...so when were they dropped? does this mean that if a label drops a band, their work is "sub-standard"? what the hell is "sub-standard" anyway? This was embarrassing because SM >claimed = >that both of the aforementioned albums marked a return to their = >previously high standards. embarrasing to whom? and again, what is a standard when applied to music? The whole sorry episode was a fiasco; >perhaps = >REVISIONISM will airbrush both albums from history. right...get a can of spray paint and shit dont exist...what a laugh.... tom w np: tangerine dream - electronic orgy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:09:40 -0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Fw: (Fwd) (Fwd) FW: BRILLIANT!! Curried Bohemian Rhapsody I just had to let you all have this to sing out loud on a Friday afternoon!!! >>> (To be sung to the tune of Bohemian Rhapsody) >>> >>> Is this a Bhuna? >>> Or is this a Jalfrezi? >>> Mixed up my order, >>> They all look the same to me >>> Open your gob, >>> Just swallow a forkful and see. >>> I'm just a student, >>> Need something real cheap to eat >>> Because I'm stoney broke >>> Not a bean >>> Don't remember >>> The menu I've seen >>> >>> Korma, Saag or Madras >>> Doesn't really matter to me >>> To me... >>> >>> Naan-aa, just killed a man >>> Poppadom against his head >>> Had lime pickle, now he's dead. >>> Naan-aa, dinner just begun >>> But now I'm going to crap it all away. >>> Naan-aa, ooh-ooh >>> Didn't mean to make you cry, >>> Seen nothin' yet just see the loo tomorrow, >>> Curry on, Curry on, >>> 'cause nothing really madras. >>> Too late, my dinner's gone >>> Sends shivers up my spine >>> Rectum aching all the time. >>> Goodbye every bhaji, I've got to go >>> Gotta leave you all behind and use loo. >>> Naan-aa, ooh ooh, >>> This Dopiaza's mild, >>> Sometimes wish we'd never come here at all. >>> I see a little chicken tikka on the side, >>> Rogan Josh, Rogan Josh >>> pass the chutney made of mango. >>> Vindaloo does nicely >>> Nery very spicey >>> ME! >>> >>> Biryani (Biryani) >>> Biryani (Biryani) >>> Biryani and a naan >>> O Vindaloooooooo >>> (No no no no no non o no no No) >>> I've eaten balti, somebody help me >>> He's eaten balti, get him to a lavatory >>> Stand well back >>> This loo's quarantined. >>> >>> Here it comes, >>> There it goes, technicolor yawn >>> I chudder >>> No! >>> It's coming up again >>> (There he goes) >>> I chunder >>> It's coming up again >>> (There he goes) >>> I chunder >>> It's coming up again >>> Up again >>> Here it comes again >>> Here it comes again >>> Here it comes again >>> Here it comes again >>> >>> This vindaloo is about to wreck my guts >>> Poor me... Poor me... Poor me! >>> >>> So you think you can chunder and think it's alright? >>> So you think you can eat curry and drink all night? >>> Ohh maybe, now you'll puke like a baby, >>> Just had to come out, >>> Just had to come right out in here.... >>> Korma, saag or bhuna, >>> Balti, naan or bhaji >>> Nothing makes a difference to me >>> To me >>> Anyway my wind blows ....brilliant!!! Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 12:09:41 EST From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general On Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:21:01 +0500 Christopher Gross writes: > >On 31-Jan-98, jbv wrote: > >I think they started dropping off after "New Traditionalists", but I >agree that they did start to get a little bland. I think they lost their >direction when they moved to Los Angeles-- they should have stayed >in Akron! As for the albums Shout and Total Devo, I would have to agree with you...but personally, I feel they really turned it around on Smoothnoodlemaps. Where Kraftwerk's Klingklang is my theme song, Devo's Change Is Gonna Cum is my anthem. Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:35:05 EST From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Electric Cafe? - Not crap! Oh yes - I don't think that EC is "crap" at all.......even the second side (but I do think it is considerably weaker than the first side.......) I don't know if I agree with what Ralf supposedly said about the album that it is a "masterpiece in synthetic speech" or whatever, but I do think that it has some very interesting qualities to it........The reverb/delay aspects are some of my favorites but I think that the FM programming on it is of top-notch quality --- some have said that the DX-7 was used but I think more precisely that it was a TX-816 or something because a lot of the "percussive" sounds seem to be coming from a massive collection of FM programmed boxes - and there are a ton of these sounds panned, reverbed, etc on this album...........too me they are more interesting than Morton Subotnick's use of FM on "Jacob's Room" or whatever that composition was called...........of course I really don't know what they used because I was not there, but this is just my speculation speaking! - -j # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:41:59 -0800 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Power Failures & Flame Wars suck. People are asking where I am. Well, I'm under the weather. Literally. I can't get on-line much these days in between power-outages.*ARGH*. Fresh batteries, anyone? I need all the help I can get! As for Flame Wars- hey, I LIKE various Artists besides KRAFTWERK. There's S.P.O.C.K, DEVO, Sillicon Teens, TELEX, YMO, Erasure, Pet Shop Boys, W.Carlos, Jarre, Moroder, Tomita, etc, etc, etc.... 'Too many to list! And that's just SYNTH, not counting Classical, Rock Oldies, Folk, and everything else I'm into. I like variety. I'm not gonna trash a band just because they don't suit my personal taste, okay? Basically, MOST people on this List like KW to SOME degree, -(although some people get on here and trash KW and I wonder why the hell they're ON the List if they DON'T like 'em)-, so, when it comes to MusiK in general, can't we all just lighten up and ENJOY what we LIKE as INDIVIDUALS? Damn- the lights are flickering again. I'm outta here! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:02:03 EST From: PRODUKT01@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me very depressed :~( / INFLUNCES The petshoboys were good for its time... but that time was some time ago! like 1989 and as for kraftwerk /\/\/\/\/\/\TIMELESS/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ This is silly ..all this bullshit about things like -computerworld- Aphex twin having no influence ??? the RDJ lp sounds like Kraftwerk on crack and it's sad to say people like squarepusher & and wagon christ are having an effect on his beats and arrangement of tones not that they are bad but they once stood in RDJ shadow odd how the tables are turning someone spoke of computer world that he could reproduce some of it in his home Well i would hope so it was made almost 20 years ago! and that is what KW wants the fans and the public to do no? I'm not impressed that people know about pitch shifting and what gear was used this is common knowledge to us born into this world in the late 70s ..and played Atari when we were young children TO be more precise KW used a DM 1100 Delay setting the mSec at 450 - delay time at IX Modulation-(somewhere around delay-middle and Speed-max ) Feedback -max Dry at 8 and over all delay 10 There! you have numbers Beat effect pretty much yes i reproduced it 20 years later : ) WhooooooHOOOOOOO by accident too that makes KW so dated and old and useless (kidding) just because people can figure out effects settings syths and 20 year old studio tricks that are largely still employed Doesn't make Computerworld any less valuable as for KW copying other groups at the time its a case of the then current technology and shared musso tricks of the time I FEEL LOVE, WARM LEATHERETTE,FRANKIE TEARDROP NUMBERS, JUST CANT GET ENOUGH, TRANCEFER, CON ,HYSTERICA PASSIO : )BLAH BLAH BLAH are all products of their times and when you play them they sound dated But some stand out Because of the content almost everything technology based is dated a year or so after that thing is made mostly due to trend The concept of Computer world is pre Computer/music domantion midi didnt come until 82 yet KW neatly plotted and simulated the musical destiny of man In a song like pocket calculator these little things they state and do are what makes them stand out from the rest the rest being the people who picked up where they left off after the death of electro who are people like aphex twin, panasonic,Autchre ,freeform ,the soma people and the rest of the thousands in dark rooms turning knobs Kraftwerk are the prime influence over the form of music these people are making Even the Prodigy are influenced hugely by R&F even now if Liam says he hates them and never liked KW ..he says he loves Africa bambaata ?? and the first record he got into was planet Rock ..is this guy that dumb? .. I must disagree about the widespread theme of a compuer praved world in the music of the late 70s till 81. where are these magical Computer world sounding/same concept gems? i see today we are living in the world that kraftwerk have spoken of 20 years or more ago not to say this concept shouldn't have been obvious to the average person during the 50s where are all theese lovely bands now? i cant see the huge impact and legacy left behind with dark wave and people like Daniel miller ..good old dan getting fat off of Depeche mode this isnt ment as an attack or cheap shot at anyone I'm just feeling bored/puzzled at why no one passed judgement or comment on my last post and why all these silly Ego/musical taste disruptions take place instead of the enjoyment and dissection of music TV OD TV OD TV OD KW list OD i went out of my way to post a few of the guys comments who have noted KW as an influence or getting..into the music of KW ..so far not one comment has been made on my post! Could it be that some people on this list fear facts backed by Facts??? Indeed i will seek out more data on the below subject this is for the list members who silently read some of the trash that is dumped into their systems people always talk about backing up comments with fact and that is a good thing so after i click send of this mail i hope the list people practice what they preach and note i have backed my info and thoughts with as much fact as possible PS i happen to think Autechre post amber are one of the most important developments in techno/music since Kontakte and Rot here it is again in case some list people didnt get it (A) Autechre on Kraftwerk http://www.sme.co.jp/Music/Info/SonyTechno/newsE/9705/ae/ QFWhat are your 5 favorit albums? SBor now--- ,Tod Dockstader - Water Music,Coil - Love's Secret Domain,Kraftwerk - Computer World,Public Enemy - Yo Bum Rush The Show,808 State - Newbuild == (B) Autechre picked the following Top 10 tracks for SPEX (A German magazine I think) back in March kraftwerk it's more fun to compute There's nothing to be said about kraftwerk which hasn't already been said before. but even if we had to do a top ten every month, this track would always be in it. == (C)Bochum Welt http://www.xnet.com/~jjdavis/bw/ Bochum Welt( Gianluigi Di Constanzo) on KRAFTWERK �I was very interested in the electronic movement of the 70s. Ralf Hutter, Florian Schneider, Brian Eno, Sakamoto, etc. I wasn't interested in the Techno scene in the mid 80s. Not until I heard stuff from Aphex Twin. I think he made the best music I had ever heard" = (D)Bochum Welt http://www.xnet.com/~jjdavis/bw/ Q: What sorts of electronic music inspire you? A: I am strongly interested in the electronic movement in the 70's in Duesseldorf: Ralf Huetter, Florian Schneider, = (E)Alain Wilder NEW KRAFTWER? http://www.club-internet.fr/depechemode/news/ Attendez-vous toujours la sortie du nouvel album de Kraftwerk? (sourire)Je pense que ce sera tr�s passionnant de voir ce que Kraftwerk a comme possibilit� pour rester innovateur. S'ils font un disque �lectronique � moins qu'ils le fassent d'une fa�on incroyable il risque de sonner dat�. Alors je me demande s'ils vont faire quelque chose de similaire � ce qu'ils faisaient avant et s'�carter totalement de leur style. Je ne peux pas les imaginer s'�carter compl�tement de l'�lectronique. Peut-�tre von- -ils se camper dans leurs param�tres en essayant de s'int�grer aux 90's. Ca va �tre tr�s difficile pour eux. = (F)Aphex Twin From the IDM comp Warp. what are you infunces ? RDJ: Computer world. = (G)Bernard Sumner recent interview ? on what Influnced Ian Curtis and he Ian would play kraftwerk before we took the stage The Man Machine this had a great impact on the whole sound/production with Martin Hannett and later with New Order = (H)Klaus Schulze an interview from 83 read on the net location is unknown at the moment : Q.What are you playing in the studio lately KS Computer World non stop (I) Alan Vega? I also recall Vega kissing R&F butt sometime in 94/95 More to come EQ PPS write BACK !!!!! but try not to shout # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 21:12:21 +0100 From: Thomas Subject: Re: (kw) Bartos wrote my homework! At 22:08 05.02.98 +0100, you wrote: > >Hello everybody! > >Now, get this: Yesterday I had one of my percussion lessons. My percussion >tutor thought it would be nice if we could perform a duet together, so he >gave me a selection of sheet music for two percussionists. I looked them >through, somewhat uninterested, but suddenly - something rang a bell. I= held >in my hand, a nice piece of work called "Drei kleine St=FCcke f=FCr= Xylophon und >Vibraphon" (Three small pieces for xylophone and vibraphone), composed by >Karl Bartos. Hello!? "Bartos? Could it really be him?" I thought. It would >be totally possible - as he was (and still is) a trained percussionist. >Anyway, I turned to the last page, where there was a whole lot of >information about this Karl Bartos. Guess what it said? Well, he was born= in >1952 (correct), studied in D=FCsseldorf (correct), 'active interest in >electronic music since 1974' - well, there you have it. It is THE Karl >Bartos. >I was stunned beyond words all day, I couldn't dream of finding his name in >this situation. So - my percussion homework was written by a member of >Kraftwerk. > >Jealous yet? > >/Marcus, Sweden > Bartos even realised some of his percussion compositions on records. They= are from the late 70's (if I remember right). Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:14:24 EST From: PRODUKT01@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me very depressed :~( / INFLUNCES << << I can't believe that you would actually think that I don't understand that these are well known techniques that any person born in the 1970's wouldn't know about or whatever the gibberish was that you were saying >> I made those comments on the settings of the DM 1100 as a JOKE. "not being Impressed" ..It was a remark on how too many people retred old studio tricks over useing them. Many people at home use theese effects on wannabe home recordings That is one of the reasons Computer welt sounds dated "gibberish" ??? EQ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:26:31 EST From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Bartos wrote my homework! Are any of these printed percussion pieces available in the US? Thanks......... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 21:30:31 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Electric Cafe? - Not crap! Jules Seifert wrote: > > Good question. Was kevorkian's input full production, or were kraftwerk > looking for the finishing touches? And the winner is... Personally, I would vote for Kervorkian bringing finishing touches that elevate the overall level of production in a large degree. I'm afraid I don't agree with Jason at SSRecords : as I explained yesterday, I think the use of delays & reverbs in Home Computer was a real part of the composition process, as well as a brilliant illustration of the concept of "studio used as an instrument". On the other hand, all those delays & reverbs in EC (they can be found on side 2 also) sound merely like a "production trick" to bring a little life into a long piece that, at first glance, is quite monotonous. I already said that I've always been amazed by the similarities between side 1 of EC and some compositions by Steve Reich (Music for 18 musicians, for instance). This is due to the use of repetitive melodic patterns played by a violin section and some marimbas FM presets. But if an evolution process is the heart of Reich's composition technique, KW composition is quite static and monotonous. I have the feeling that KW were concious of that, and Kervorkian's task has been to use studio tricks to hide the apparent lack of inspiration. Nevertheless, the final result isn't so bad, although at times, those delays & reverbs sound a bit "gratuitous", as if Kervorkian had got his new SSL board a few days before the sessions only... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 21:31:15 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me very depressed :~( / INFLUNCES Please, my friend, be patient ! Your last messages raised so many interesting questions and challenges, that I won't miss the opportunity to get back into the discussion... (I only hope that this time, it won't lead to any flame wars : it's a unique opportunity we have to use this list a tool for debate and analysis, so let's not waste it...) I'll answer, don't worry (and I hope others will too). But i'm presently busy transfering the KW pics to someone who offered webspace for them, and I'm also dealing some 2nd hand gear with someone on another list... Forgive me, my friend : I'm old and slow... Almost as old as R&F, and much much slower... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #49 ******************************