From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #50 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Saturday, February 7 1998 Volume 02 : Number 050 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 15:40:04 EST From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Power Failures & Flame Wars suck. On Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:41:59 -0800 "ROBOT" writes: > >People are asking where I am. Well, I'm under the weather. Literally. >I >can't get on-line much these days in between power-outages.*ARGH*. >Fresh >batteries, anyone? I need all the help I can get! > please dont take this the wrong way, but, almost everytime u send a message to this list u complain about power outages...where do u live? in siberia? the amazon? iraq? or doesnt anyone pay the electric bill? do u need an electrician? is every appliance in ur house in the "on" position? please elaborate as i am very curious... tom w np: numan - are friends electric? _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 16:00:00 -0500 From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) god actually, i'm pretty sure when you die and go to heaven you hear sparks "#1 song in heaven". heck, it even says so in the lyrics!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 16:06:32 EST From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Electric Cafe? - Not crap! In a message dated 2/6/98 8:34:38 PM, jbv wrote: <> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 22:14:26 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Power Failures & Flame Wars suck. thomas m weibrecht wrote: > > please dont take this the wrong way, but, almost everytime u send a > message to this list u complain about power outages...where do u live? in > siberia? the amazon? iraq? or doesnt anyone pay the electric bill? do u > need an electrician? is every appliance in ur house in the "on" position? > please elaborate as i am very curious... > May be does she live near the KK studio : the boys are running some new experiments and the whole neighborood is suffering from it... Or may be the KK studio is suffering from sililar problems, and that's why we have to wait for so long for a new album... BTW, what does happen at KK in case of power failure ? Do you think they have elaborated some kind of system where Ralf has to pedal to bring electricity to their gear ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 22:46:44 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Power Failures & Flame Wars suck. jbv wrote: >BTW, what does happen at KK in case of power failure ? >Do you think they have elaborated some kind of system where Ralf has >to pedal to bring electricity to their gear ? > hehe, Ralf, push ze pedals faster, ve shall nezer get this schwein lp in ze shops before ze millennium. Jules ciao, - ------------------------------------ Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! #Kraftwerk IRC homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ No:- 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 16:39:42 EST From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me very depressed :~( / INFLUNCES In a message dated 2/6/98 9:13:11 PM, you wrote: << In a message dated 98-02-06 15:23:59 EST, you write: << disagree 1) that the studio techniques on computer welt are what make it sound dated because they were not largely used before it was released. and 2)I don't really think it does sound dated - I think, personally, that CW had enough "coldness" in it's sound (ie, very little resonance, very staccato sounds, simplicity, etc) that it wasn't a victim of over-used studio techniques of the day that might be found on Human League albums, for example.....I think that it holds it's ground today - obviously not within today's technological market - but as an artistic statement and as an acclaimed pop album...... >>>> Hello everyone - These are my statements that were meant to be private but PRODUKT01@aol.com, for some reason, keeps sending them to the list. Sorry about this confusion. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 16:42:04 EST From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Power Failures & Flame Wars suck. In a message dated 2/6/98 9:19:58 PM, you wrote: <> No. They simply continue what they've been doing for the last 12 years. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 22:52:08 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Computer click all around As a starter for the discussion of the influence of CW, I'd like to mention one KW sound that has been widely used : the computer click. I remember that in the mid 80s, almost everybody (even Michael J.) was using it. I even remember some algerian producers of pop-ra=EF (in Algeria) circa 86-87 who had never heard of KW but had found that sound in a bank for a sampler (one of the 1st AKAI, AFAIR), liked it and was using it in almost every song. The funny thing is that another guy in the studio used to say : aren't you afraid that people, when they hear that sound, will think that there was some interference in the gear during recording and that we don't = have everything under control ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:30:52 -0700 (MST) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Power Failures & Flame Wars suck. On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, thomas m weibrecht wrote: > On Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:41:59 -0800 "ROBOT" writes: > >People are asking where I am. Well, I'm under the weather. Literally. > >can't get on-line much these days in between power-outages.*ARGH*. > > please dont take this the wrong way, but, almost everytime u send a > message to this list u complain about power outages...where do u live? in > siberia? the amazon? iraq? or doesnt anyone pay the electric bill? do u > need an electrician? is every appliance in ur house in the "on" position? > please elaborate as i am very curious... She probably lives in one of those areas of the 'states that have been hard-hit by snow and ice storms lately. Lots of power lines came down. Hundreds of thousands of people were without power. You know the routine. Americans just can't take a little inclement weather. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:50:34 -0500 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Electric Cafe? - Not crap! >>> So I'm not the only one who sings the virtues of the production on EC? That album always seems to get trashed by kw fans and other, but it is one of the most deep and stunning albums (on side 1 of course) I have heard for a long while. Each small part appears to have had massive thought and delicacy applied. As somebody once posted, it's like the difference between vga and svga. <<< Word! EC's always been my favorite KW album. When I first put the CD on, I was like, "THIS is KW?" because the sound was radically different than anything else they (or anyone else) did at the time. It still blows me away. A real work of genius. >>> As for critics back in 86: I don't know about other countries, but here in France, they actually described side 1 of EC as "soundtrack for rappers" which is a bit different... It meant that after the use of Numbers & TEE by A. Bambataa and their success in various NY hispanic & funk clubs, KW seemed more busy in producing elaborate soundscapes that rappers could grab for their own use, than producing euro techno- pop songs as they used to do before... <<< Well, they did help spawn Miami bass and freestyle (and, of course, just about everything else), which used to be called "Latin hip-hop." Peace. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:25:46 -0500 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) The web site 1. Is the KW web site really the real deal? 2. Is that loop that plays with the antenna picture one of the new tracks? It just seems rather curious, if you ask me. Maybe they're putting there latest efforts into their web site rather than into real new music. Peace. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:08:50 +1100 From: "Chris Sossi" Subject: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk This is a letter from someone on the Jean Michel Jarre mailing list! - ---------- > From: Johan Lewin > To: Jarrelistan > Subject: Aqua-Jarre > Date: Saturday, February 07, 1998 7:17 AM >=20 > You wish to get off the list? Go to http://www.clic.net/jarre/mailing.html > Really From: Johan Lewin >=20 > Hello! >=20 > Do Jarre fans have a reason to like Aqua (Barbie Girl, Doctor Jones, an= d so > on...)? Now they do! Claus, the red-haired songwriter, said in an interview > that he is musically influenced by Jean-Michel Jarre, Kraftwerk and Depeche > Mode. >=20 > I have always thought that there was something that seperated Aqua from > other similar bands. Now I know what! >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Johan Lewin --- > jlewin@hem1.passagen.se > UIN: 1616552 >=20 > "Ce n'est pas la musique qui est =E9lectronique mais les instruments" > - Jean-Michel Jarre >=20 >=20 >=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 23:23:12 +0000 From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me very depressed :~( / INFLUNCES PRODUKT01@aol.com wrote: > i happen to think Autechre post amber are one of the most important > developments in techno/music since Kontakte and Rot Well, you are entitled to your opinion. To put Autechre in the same level as Kontakte and Rot is silly, IMHO. For one, it is quite unclear that Autechre et al do and will have comparable groundbreaking concepts, at least as Kontakte. Unless, of course, you're talking about influence in the pop scene or, you are speaking of a piece called Kontakte other than Stockhausen's. The fact is that whilst Kontakte brought to light many new facts about sound and timbral duality, and that perhaps Rot might have been heavily influenced by it, I doubt Autechre or any other band emerging from pop share the same research desire you find in avant-garde and other "academic" emusic composers. You're mixing two different realities when you state the above about music in general. What you're saying is similar to something like The Beatles being the most important development since Mozart and Beethoven. And it is an appropriate example, since at the time of The Beatles the most important developments in music were being accomplished by the likes of Stockhausen. - -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 19:00:22 EST From: PRODUKT01@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me very depressed :~( / INFLUNCES (<< *techno*/music >>) - -Not early Sound sound exploreation- Exploration is an every day way of life for many creating electronic music the pop aspect of Autechre is not the most interesting but hidden under the pop is many thousands of hours of sonic Exploreation honed into a neet sound scape this is a vital step in the mind 90s *Techno* not unlkike 70s and ongoing work kraftwerk or Conrad Schnitzler # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 00:04:09 -0000 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk > I have always thought that there was something that seperated Aqua from > other similar bands. Now I know what! yeah, i'd quite happily fuck the singer ;-). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 00:02:40 -0000 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Power Failures & Flame Wars suck. ><Do you think they have elaborated some kind of system where Ralf has >to pedal to bring electricity to their gear ?>> > >No. They simply continue what they've been doing for the last 12 years. hehehe. absolutely fuck all. quite! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 00:21:43 +0000 From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me very depressed :~( / INFLUNCES PRODUKT01@aol.com wrote: > (<< *techno*/music >>) > > -Not early Sound sound exploreation- > > Exploration is an every day way of life for many creating electronic music > the pop aspect of Autechre is not the most interesting but hidden under the > pop is many thousands of hours of sonic Exploreation honed into a neet sound > scape > this is a vital step in the mind 90s *Techno* not unlkike 70s and ongoing work > kraftwerk or Conrad Schnitzler Again, a totally different frame of mind. The last couple of minutes of Kontakte took 3 months to complete, just to be discarded and started again from blank because it was not as intended. It is not a question of neat soundscapes, it is a question of exposing content. - -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 20:16:12 EST From: PRODUKT01@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me very depressed :~( / INFLUNCES In a message dated 98-02-06 19:24:41 EST, you write: << it is a question of exposing content. >> Autechre Expose many hundreds of layers of electronic sonics and sample experimentation. Complex wave-editing and an intricate weaving of melodic structure into noise and extremely calculated beats. Autechre's last album, Chiastic Slide, took over a year to record and was a compiling of 60 tracks condensed into a body of work. The difference between Stockhausen is merely time and the number of sound experiments carried out over the course of 30+ years. Stockhausen's most recent criticisms of electronic music is typical of someone who fears repetition and poly-rhythms and advanced double or triple speed beats. To dismiss Autechre or my comment as 'silly' only goes to show your lack of imagination or understanding of my point. That is, what Autechre is doing for techno is as important as what Karlheinz Stockhausen did for overall sound and music. I am putting the importance of Autechre's contribution in the techno area where I feel they have strong roots and repercussions; most techno is rather drab and unsophisticated, produced by people with little to no understanding of soundscape, largely giving in to excess of totally unstructured pieces or completely dominated by beats with no understanding of the sonics, and void of overall concept. Autechre hides many layers of experimentation in simplistic melodies and structures, giving the listener a little at a time but with expansive exposure to the soundscapes the listener will find ideas and musical concepts that Stockhausen has yet to embrace or even recognize. How dare you call my ideas 'silly'. My understanding of electronic music and application is vast (not to toot my own horn) but some of you people on this list are quite useless, making comments like someone's ideas being silly or that Kraftwerk's influence isn't vast--then and now EQ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:12:25 EST From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) Kevorkian On Fri, 06 Feb 1998 10:48:47 -0500 Marc Houle writes: > >Can anyone direct me as to where I can find out more info about this >Kevorkian guy? >I've seen his name alot over the years but have never read anything >about him! The only Kevorkian I know of is Dr. Jack Kevorkian, sometimes refered to as "Dr. Death". Probably the most visable, if not the biggest proponent of legalizing "Physician Assisted Suicide" in the state of Michigan (USA). As far as I know, he's not into music...but, given his reputation, Kevorkian would be a great name for a punk rock band, at least in the USA. Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 23:28:50 -0800 From: Jean-Luc Turbo Subject: Re: (kw) Whose God and which Heaven??? >> It makes me tearful to read Kraftwerk fans insulting the groups >> which Kraftwerk paved the way towards. Especially when vice >> versa, I recognise how vital Kw were to those later groups sounds... > >hehehe....God help you if this sort of thing reduces you to tears. > And God help YOU, when you die and go to heaven, and hear the Petshopboys on God's stereo, and finally discover the perfect angelic ecstatic bliss, and you'll regret that you'd closed your mind to it for all of your life ...regarding the above...maybe I shouldn't but in, although it seems rather strange to me that we should care emotionally WHO Kraftwerk "paved the way towards"......first of all, my GOD (who won't be playing anything by the PSB upon my entrance thank you very much), I'm sure there's a high percentage of bands out there technological or not who would consider KW an influence as well as leaders that paved the way for them in their genre of music. Boo hoo if I think any of them suck...I happen to like a number of songs by the PSB like the 12" version of Opportunities, however, overall their library of songs, IMHHHHO is not sophisticated enough for MY TASTES. If you like them, great, continue buying and enjoying. But I don't understand what brain you're using when you imply that we should have some sorta' allegiance to a band that happens to be following KW's sound...it just seems like making a big deal outta' nuthin'really all that important in the first place...but then again, maybe it is, if in fact you believe that God is gonna' be blastin' West End Girls or Go West upon arrival to Heaven on Angels Wings flight 777... Best Regards, Jean-Luc Turbo The Cult of Eidophusikon jean_luc_turbo@yahoo.com eidocult@pacbell.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 23:31:47 -0800 From: Jean-Luc Turbo Subject: (kw) Re: Ralf's pedalpower Jules wrote: hehe, Ralf, push ze pedals faster, ve shall nezer get this schwein lp in ze shops before ze millennium. I have to say I laughed out loud at that one...your humor is much appreciated...especially as the flames continue aflyin'... Best Regards, Jean-Luc Turbo The Cult of Eidophusikon jean_luc_turbo@yahoo.com eidocult@pacbell.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 23:37:15 -0800 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Power Failures & Flame Wars suck. > From: > To: ROBOT@humboldt1.com > Cc: KRAFTWERK@xmission.com > Subject: Re: (kw) Power Failures & Flame Wars suck. > Date: Friday, February 06, 1998 12:40 PM - -(ROBOT says)- *ARGH*. Fresh batteries, anyone? I need all the help I can get! > > - -(thomas m weibrecht says)- > please dont take this the wrong way, but, almost everytime u send a > message to this list u complain about power outages...where do u live? Loleta, California, a few miles south of Eureka. Dude, if you had RAIN, RAIN, and MORE rain, with 70mph wind-gusts and 300-foot tall Redwoods toppling into power lines, and if you were surrounded by water, living in a tiny-moldy cottage with primitive housewiring on a 15-amp fuse, you wouldn't be using your Computer much either.*ARGH*. Believe me, it's a LOT worse in a lot of other places. God forbid R&F ever lose power to Kling Klang! "Tu a'VELO! Ve RIDE!! KranK UP ze Generator!! Mach schnell!!" ps: Some of my best friends are electric! =OHM SOGGY OHM= ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 09:41:15 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me very depressed :~( / INFLUNCES PRODUKT01@aol.com wrote: > > Autechre hides many > layers of experimentation in simplistic melodies and structures, giving the > listener a little at a time but with expansive exposure to the soundscapes the > listener will find ideas and musical concepts that Stockhausen has yet to > embrace or even recognize. For instance ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 09:49:56 +0100 From: "Erik Barth" Subject: Re: (kw) The web site > From: Adam Schefflan > 1. Is the KW web site really the real deal? I was wondering the same: Most information on the web site was put there after discussed on the list or shown somewhere else: a. Links to Luton Hoo and to Karlsruhe after discussion on the list, b. The concertvideo after the same part of music was broadcast on MTV and the pictures of the KW-spidermen where put on the web sites of some of the list-members. c. The animated robot is very easy to do and the picture of thet robot was already used in 1991. d. Everybody can find the "letour"-website. But on the other hand, if it was fake, KW should already have sued the maintainer. So my conclusion is that they are very very very louzy. > 2. Is that loop that plays with the antenna picture one of the new > tracks? Not that I know. At least not one of the three new songs played in Karlsruhe. - --------------------------------- Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels it finds the darkness has always got there first and is waiting for it. (Pratchett, Reaper Man) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 12:32:31 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) New Dinger releases The details for the two most recent Klaus Dinger releases on the Captain Trip label are: 1) Thomas Dinger: "Fuer Mich" Catalogue number: CTCD-078 (la! NEU? 1.000-8) Same artwork & tracklisting as on the original LP release, plus two bonus tracks (apparently from the La Duesseldorf period): a) Kostprobe 1 (1-A Duesseldorf), 2:34" b) Kostprobe 2 (1-A Duesseldorf), 5:20" Klaus Dinger is credited for re-mastering and transformation. 2) la! NEU? - Rembrandt: "God Strikes Back" Catalogue number: CTCD-087 (la! NEU? 1.000-9) Klaus Dinger is co-credited for production and mastering. He has also co-written one of the 25 album tracks: "Und dann? / So what?". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 12:32:32 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Bartos Scores > From: lbo > > > in my hand, a nice piece of work called "Drei kleine St=FCcke f=FCr > > Xylophon und Vibraphon" (Three small pieces for xylophone and vibrapho= ne), > > composed by Karl Bartos. > > hey! that's great! do you know if there are other of these? Yes, there is another one: "Fuenfzehn Etueden fuer zwei kleine Trommeln". > in which year it was copyrighted? The "Drei kleine Stuecke" are from 1988, the Etudes are from 1990. > do you know if it was recorded? No, it wasn't (or if it was, then it wasn't published). > From: SRRecords@aol.com > > Are any of these printed percussion pieces available in the US? Both are still available, AFAIK, and it should be possible to order them at any good music shop. The publisher is the Musikverlag Zimmermann, Frankfurt am Main. The ordering numbers are: ZM 2715: "Drei kleine Stuecke fuer Xylophon und Vibraphon" ZM 2776: "Fuenfzehn Etueden fuer zwei kleine Trommeln". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 12:32:29 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Rother Interview The February issue of the German magazine Zillo contains an interview with Michael Rother. A short excerpt from the article (incl. archive photo) is online at http://www.netcity.de/zillo/aktuell/auszug.htm#harmonia Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 12:29:15 -0800 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) The web site - The White album??? Adam wrote:- >>1. Is the KW web site really the real deal? 2. Is that loop that plays with the antenna picture one of the new tracks?<< Last time this this discussed a flame war ensued - beware! 1) I originally couldn't believe it is genuine, however, it is! = Kraftwerk merchandise promoting it has been officially sold at their = recent concerts.=20 2) Who knows?? As an IT professional my technical view of the web site is that it's = HOPELESS. The structure is abysmal, image compression and linking are = inefficient and it appears never to be updated. It's supporters justify = it by regarding it as 'minimal'. There is a fine line between minimalism = and a lack of effort. If minimalism was the aim the site could have been = kept to one page with the following structure: Title Album List Forthcoming concerts / releases or even better why not just leave www.kraftwerk.com as a blank page. IT = COULD HAVE BEEN THE WHITE ALBUM FOR THE INTERNET AGE. God help us if this represents the quality of the new album.=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 12:25:10 -0800 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Power Failures & Flame Wars suck. ROBOT wrote:- >because they don't suit my personal taste, okay? Basically, MOST people = on this List like KW to SOME degree, -(although some people get on here and trash KW and I wonder why the hell they're ON the List if they DON'T = like 'em)-,< Good to have you back ROBOT! I'm in complete agreement with you. Adding to your statement I would say = there is nothing wrong with criticising Kraftwerk, although it must be = done in the right context. For example, it's reasonable to express an = opinion that Electric Cafe maybe less inspired than CW. However, it's = patently ludicrous to compare Kraftwerk with vastly less sophisticated = bands like the PSBs, or plainly simple bands like Erasure and Yazoo. = Would you argue in favour of using the propulsion system of a firework = rocket if warp drive existed?? The difference is of the same magnitude = as that between Kraftwerk and PSBs.=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 11:39:03 -0800 From: **************** Subject: (kw) SURVEY Having now been on this list for several months I am curious to know about the other subscribers: 1) Where from? 2) Occupation? 3) Age? FYI i'm from London, England. I'm 27 years old and work for an Investment bank in the City as an IT developer/systems integrator. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 12:35:29 -0800 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk >yeah, i'd quite happily fuck the singer ;-).< The FEMALE I hope. I wouldn't say no to her either! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 12:40:24 -0800 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) New Dinger releases Klaus, What is happening with Dinger's legal case? What does Dinger like to eat = and drink? Does he prefer blondes or brunettes? What car does he drive? I'm sure we'd all like to read the answers to these pressing questions = about Dinger. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:28:56 +0100 From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) rammstein vs. kraftwerk the german freebie-magazine INTRO on recent hits based on covers of = older=20 tracks: Auch wenn der urspr=FCngliche Bedeutungszusammenhang eines St=FCckes = durch die=20 Coverversion torpediert wird, so bleibt er nichtsdestotrotz in einer=20 Hinsicht wichtig - als Kaufargument. According to MAX GOLDT klatscht ein = Publikum n=E4mlich nicht, weil ihm etwas besonders gut gef=E4llt, = sondern weil=20 es etwas bereits kennt. So ist es ein kluger Schachzug der Firma = RAMMSTEIN,=20 anstelle der f=E4lligen dritten Auskopplung aus "Sehnsucht" ihre = Ausdeutung=20 von KRAFTWERKs "Das Modell" auf den Markt zu werfen, schlie=DFlich hat = man=20 sich unl=E4ngst hierzulande auf die Wichtigkeit der D=FCsseldorfer=20 Elektro-Pioniere besonnen, so da=DF KRAFTWERK selbst ein gro=DFes = Comeback=20 feiern konnten. Seitens des RAMMSTEIN-Marketings m=F6chte man das = Man=F6ver wie=20 folgt verstanden wissen: "Sicherlich haben sich RAMMSTEIN in puncto=20 hypnotische Gradlinigkeit der Beats einige Inspiration bei KRAFTWERK=20 geholt. Auch bei der Wirkung nach au=DFen sind RAMMSTEIN nach KRAFTWERK = wohl=20 die Meister des plakativen Imagings. F=FCr einige wird 'Das Modell' ein=20 Sakrileg sein, f=FCr andere ein interessanter Verweis darauf, wie Musik=20 entsteht und wie sie sich entwickelt." Die gro=DFe Huldigungs-Klamotte = also,=20 gegen die wenig einzuwenden w=E4re, w=E4re das timing nicht so frappant = g=FCnstig=20 und das musikalische Ergebnis nicht so fragw=FCrdig - ganz abgesehen = davon,=20 da=DF RAMMSTEIN sich ihren betr=E4chtlichen Schu=DF sicherlich nicht bei = KRAFTWERK geholt haben. An der Metal-Klampfe macht der deutsche Mann, = was=20 er kann: Zwischen beiden Versionen bestehen signifikante Unterschiede. = Das=20 Original ist maniriert, artifiziell und dekadent, die = RAMMSTEIN-Ausdeutung=20 nichts weiter als atavistisch; inwieweit das schwei=DFige Geschraddel = mit der=20 Songthematik in =DCbereinstimmung zu bringen ist, wei=DF der Schrat.=20 Lachhafterweise verlegen RAMMSTEIN das Szenario aus der Haute Couture = ("Sie=20 trinkt auf Parties immer Sekt - korrekt") ins Schmuddelmilieu ("Sie = trinkt=20 in Nachtclubs immer Sekt - korrekt"), vermutlich, weil die=20 RAMMSTEIN-Klientel sich dort am besten auskennt. someone willing to translate ?! ;) .as - ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #50 ******************************