From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #52 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Sunday, February 8 1998 Volume 02 : Number 052 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:21:45 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Michael Rother CD postponed From http://www.hallucinet.com/cleopatra/new.html: > 2/3/98 * MICHEAL ROTHER (BUMPING TO???) * Chonicals 1 > (BUMPED TO MAY) * 0184 * Cleo * $15.98 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:21:45 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: RE: (kw) The Sunday Times quote > The underlying meaning of the quote you provided was identical to what I posted. Wrong. You've pretended that they stated that Kraftwerk is the second most influential band in contemporary music, while they actually wrote that their influence in pop music is comparable to the Beatles. That's quite a difference. > Consider contemporary German culture following World War 2 - it was > virtually non-existent. Wrong again. The following names are a few examples of Germans (or people who lived in Germany) being active as pioneers in the field of electronic music during the 1950ies: Stockhausen, Hiller, Biel, Meyer-Eppler, Kotowski, Kaegi, Kagel. (I'm just giving examples for electronic music, otherwise the list would be too long.) > Kraftwerk helped destroy the racial divide in contemporary music. At Kraftwerk's time the divide was mainly evident in certain subcultural musical genres, not so much in contemporary music on a whole (Jazz, Ragtime, Blues etc. etc.). > The fusion between Kraftwerk and black US rappers during the 1980's I was not aware that Kraftwerk fusionated with black US rappers... > tore down the walls that divided white and black music. What about Leonard Bernstein's "West Side Story" from 1957? > The 2 examples above illustrate perfectly how much influence Kraftwerk have > had beyond the popular music business. Your only example was their influence on rap music, and rap is a popular music genre. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 15:36:31 -0800 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) The Sunday Times quote > You've pretended that they stated that Kraftwerk is the second=20 most influential band in contemporary music, while they actually=20 wrote that their influence in pop music is comparable to the Beatles.<=20 The underlying assumption is, "The Beatles WERE the most influential = band in contemporary music". >The following names are a few examples of Germans (or=20 people who lived in Germany) being active as pioneers in the field of < The total influence on popular German culture of all the obscure names = you mentioned was a FRACTION of that exerted by The Beatles on their = own. It was only later that German culture again became acceptable and = defined. This process was defined by the likes of Kraftwerk. >I was not aware that Kraftwerk fusionated with black US rappers...< Not being a Kraftwerk fan makes you unlikely to know that Kraftwerk will = arguably be the most sampled band of all time. Many black artists have = sampled them - this is the fusion to which I refer. >Your only example was their influence on rap music, and rap is a=20 popular music genre. < Your maths is rather weak, I've actually provided 2 examples and will = provide more if necessary. The 2 are that: 1) Kraftwerk have had a major influence on contemporary German culture. = Making it acceptable and mainstream. 2) Kraftwerk have broken down racial barriers. mode.123=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 15:36:08 -0000 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me very depressed :~( / INFLUNCES / DIGITAL GRAFITTI Klaus Zaepke wrote: >It depends on how you define "vast", but since Kraftwerk's influence is almost completely limited to certain aspects of popular electronic music, I think that it makes good sense to conclude that their influence isn't that vast in general.< Mode wrote: >Let me quote the Sunday Time's recent encyclopaedia of 20th Century Music >'Kraftwerk are second only to The Beatles in the amount they have >influenced the development of contemporary music'. Hey Mode, come on - you know shouldn't believe something just because you read it in a newspaper :-) The piece you quote also claims that Kraftwerk built their own synths to record Autobahn - is there any evidence to support this claim? (I'm talking about real playable synthesisers here, as the piece implies, not noise generators and drum pads). And it gets better: Kraftwerk are listed as a 'prog-rock group' - a stunningly well researched piece of journalism if ever I read one, in fact I suspect the author probably wrote the entire thing after pointing his web browser at the KW list archives and rather foolishly attributed some kind of critical value to the reams of mindless sycophancy he found there! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 15:44:30 -0000 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) SURVEY >1) Where from? Born in Taunton, lived in London since '92 >2) Occupation? Web Application Developer at the University of North London. >3) Age? 26 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 15:41:51 -0000 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk >>yeah, i'd quite happily fuck the singer ;-).< >The FEMALE I hope. I wouldn't say no to her either! yeah, I had her in mind, but Rene's tasty too :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 12:33:26 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) SURVEY >On Sat, 7 Feb 1998 11:39:03 -0800 **************** >writes: >> >> >>Having now been on this list for several months I am curious to know >>about the other subscribers: >I'm interested too... >>1) Where from? Originally Oradell, NJ, then South Sterling, PA, then Oradell again, and now both Oradell and Bay Ridge in Brooklyn. >>2) Occupation? Assistant art director at Harris Publications in NYC. I work at the Dog News, a trade journal for breeders & handlers. Occasional cartoonist/musician. >>3) Age? >36 (3/30/61) - -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 10:36:04 -0600 From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" Subject: Re: (kw) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:42:33 -0800 >mode.123 wrote:- > >>Having now been on this list for several months I am curious to know about the other subscribers: > >1) Where from? St. Louis, Missouri, USA >2) Occupation? Database consultant/contract database administrator/information systems trainer >3) Age? 40 (which means I'm old enough to vividly remember "Autobahn" in its original release) Best regards, - -- Leonard R. Cleavelin e-mail: leonard@inlink.com (preferred) lcleavelin@solutechinc.com (work related) WWW: http://www.inlink.com/~leonard Never ascribe to malice what may be adequately explained by stupidity. *****FIGHT INTERNET SPAM! JOIN CAUCE ***** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 10:36:06 -0600 From: angela Subject: (kw) Survey Hello. I am from the state of Arkansas in the United States, but plan on moving very, very soon. I am currently a student, an aspiring artist( I don't use the word lightly, very few people actually live up to it) and including in the artist category is film. My age, well timeless, like life. If anyone wants to discuss film or music, feel free to email me. Personally, I try to be extremely open minded to all views and cultures, and currently have a burgeoning interest in Hinduism. The only type of music I cannot stand is music done for dishonest reasons, such as money and trendiness(ie the current state of alternative music). I love all types of film, except films done for reasons that are explained in the above, I especially love horror, cult, and silent films. I have been a KW fan for approx. two years, when I saw the TEE video on Muchmusic. I was struck not only by the song, and the inhabitants of the train(what are they laughing at anyway, just curious) but the beauty of the video. Oh well, this is probably more than any of you wanted to know, but it makes me feel better. Sorry : -) Heather D. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 15:59:25 -0000 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) rammstein vs. kraftwerk Andreas wrote: >the german freebie-magazine INTRO on recent hits based on covers of older >tracks: > >Auch wenn der ursprngliche Bedeutungszusammenhang eines Stckes durch die >[snip] > >someone willing to translate ?! ;) send it to the Babel Fish! always good for a laugh... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 10:47:54 -0600 From: angela Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk yeah, I had her in mind, but Rene's tasty too :-) Your both wrong!! Klaus is the one. Sorry, now that I got that out of the way, what does any of this have to do with music? Heather D. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:53:39 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: RE: (kw) The Sunday Times quote > > You've pretended that they stated that Kraftwerk is the second > > most influential band in contemporary music, while they actually > > wrote that their influence in pop music is comparable to the Beatles. > > The underlying assumption is, "The Beatles WERE the most influential band > in contemporary music". That's your interpretation. If they meant "contemporary", why did they write "popular"? And they've carefully avoided to use any superlatives... > The total influence on popular German culture of all the obscure names you > mentioned "Obscure" names you'll find in most books about electronic music - in opposite to Kraftwerk... > was a FRACTION of that exerted by The Beatles on their > own. In terms of commercial success maybe, in terms of musical influences hardly. > It was only later that German culture again became acceptable and > defined. This process was defined by the likes of Kraftwerk. Now that statement is a bit strong, isn't it? :-) > Kraftwerk will arguably be the most sampled band of all time. Maybe, but who knows? That's impossible to prove. > 1) Kraftwerk have had a major influence on contemporary German > culture. Making it acceptable and mainstream. German culture has always been accepted, except for the post-WW II-decade, maybe. And while Kraftwerk have helped to make electronic music mainstream, I can't see how this statement should be true for German culture in general. Finally, to make a genre mainstream doesn't automatically mean that this is influential for the genre itself. For example, Kraftwerk may have helped to make Stockhausen popular. But I can't see how Kraftwerk should have influenced Stockhausen's work. > 2) Kraftwerk have broken down racial barriers. Yes, in a certain way, in rap music. Except for that, I think that people like Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandela are more commonly associated with breaking down racial barriers than Kraftwerk. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 18:07:45 +0100 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Sakamoto (Off topic) >>between 14.00 and 15.30 there will be a live performance by him of course I intend Roma-Berlin time, that is GMT+1 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 18:33:56 +0100 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk >BTW, is there any major / noticeable difference between "Barbie Girl" >and a song like "The Model" ? are you joking jbv or is this a retorical question? bg is just a monstruos songs build up to screw the brain of the adolescents with false, not virtual, landscapes. is unnatural and dangerous. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 19:05:59 +0100 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) What If? Kraftwerk Merchandise Ideas >Let's play a game and try and think of all the merchandizing products that >could be made available if someone were to have carte blanche to create >Kraftwerk collectibles. (I'm not saying this is a good or bad idea, just >an idea). Here's my start: no no, it's a good idea... >Kraftwerk Calculator well, we had that, it seem. >Kraftwerk Toy Playset (Kling Klang Studio) >Kraftwerk Toy Playset (Concert Lineup) real size, to the joy of ROBOT... :-) >Kraftwerk Bicycle very good one. and a full line of Kraftwerk bycicle garments and a blue-white-red (or fluorescent like the famous Neonlight single?) bycicle helmet. >Kraftwerk Drinking Glasses (one for each band member and each album) again, see ROBOT's Kraftwerk page... :-) >Please add your own ten ideas! well, of course red shirt/black tie (for those who know/like Dilbert comic, his uplifting tie is for sale... check www.unitedmedia.com for Dilbert strips and merchandise), and black (or was it dark grey?) sweaters, the ones with high collar a kind listie told me the name in english and that they wore in pre-Tribal Gathering concerts. then Kraftwerk music keyboards. some Kraftwerk set of ttf fonts. the big "music symbol" (a quaver? a bischrome?) pin that Florian wear on TEE cover, and the Kraftwerk black fur collar coat. Kraftwerk tours on TEE, the train, with special issued tickets. Kraftwerk radio tuner as in Radioactivity. Kraftwerk wooden toy-blocks to build images like constructivists ones in Man Machine. the Kraftwerk telephone, of course! with an answering machine that say "the number you've dialed is wrong... please check and call again...", or a full set of answering machine themes built with Kraftwerk sampling. Kraftwerk themed cards for birthdays, the one that you open and they start playng a tune. the four plexiglass boxes with the four Kraftwerk names built with a neon tube, to be used as postmodern lamps in designer houses. a line of electric torches or energy saving bulb light branded something after Neon Lights. a special lines of ananas or ananas juice branded something like "the original ananas from Ananas Symphonie". eggs sold in heavy card boxes, stressing on the facts that is the same card boxes used in the wall of the back cover of R&F album. Kraftwerk inspired electronic circuitery kits, the one we built when we were young... Kraftwerk branded antigas masks. "Man Machine" branded lipstick and cosmetic powder, only for soldier of course. of course a lamp made with the traffic cones (well, I and a frien actually made ourselves a couple of that...). Kraftwerk playing cards. here we could have the original four faces instead of hearts, diamond, clubs, spades, ot their faces for K, Q, J, A. post-TG Kraftwerk techno sunglasses and the ultimate... a new Kraftwerk album... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 18:44:02 +0100 From: lbo Subject: RE: (kw) The Sunday Times quote >Klaus - you have previously modified quotes to humiliate list subscribers this Klaus guy... if you look at his picture he seem to be a nice guy, while in fact is such an aggressive beserker... :-))) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 18:27:02 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Influnced by KRAFTWERK? Just as short introduction, I'd like to you remind you that the original discussion was about CW and its possible influence on other musicians.=20 But I have the feeling that this discussion has drifted to the KW influence in a more general way... PRODUKT01@aol.com wrote: >=20 > Autechre on Kraftwerk > (A) > http://www.sme.co.jp/Music/Info/SonyTechno/newsE/9705/ae/ > QFWhat are your 5 favorit albums? > SBor now--- ,Tod Dockstader - Water Music,Coil - Love's Secret > Domain,Kraftwerk - Computer World,Public Enemy - Yo Bum Rush The > Show,808 State - Newbuild > =3D=3D > (B) > Autechre picked the following Top 10 tracks for SPEX (A German magazine= I > think) back in March > kraftwerk it's more fun to compute > There's nothing to be said about kraftwerk which hasn't already been sa= id > before. but even if we had to do a top ten every month, this track woul= d > always be in it. Fine. But at the official WARP site http://www.warp-net.com/warp/file/autechre.html you can also read : "Within twelve months, they found themselves alongside such luminaries as The Black Dog and Aphex Twin on the seminal Artificial Intelligence compilation, released towards the end of 1992. Even amidst such distinguished company, however, Sean and Rob stood out. Side-stepping such traditional influences as Kraftwerk, Detroit and Eno, and name checking instead Mantronix, Afrika Bambaata and the Miami Bass=20 scene, their two tracks, The Egg and Crystel, seemed to contain no=20 external reference points whatsoever." > =3D=3D > (C) > http://www.xnet.com/~jjdavis/bw/ > Bochum Welt( Gianluigi Di Constanzo) on KRAFTWERK > =84I was very interested in the electronic > movement of the 70s. Ralf Hutter, Florian > Schneider, Brian Eno, Sakamoto, etc. I > wasn=92t interested in the Techno scene in the > mid 80s. Not until I heard stuff from Aphex > Twin. I think he made the best music I had ever heard" > =3D > (D) > http://www.xnet.com/~jjdavis/bw/ > Q: What sorts of electronic music > inspire you? A: I am strongly interested in > the electronic movement in the 70's in > Duesseldorf: Ralf Huetter, Florian Schneider, > =3D Bochum Welt ? Who ? > (E) > Alain Wilder >=20 > NEW KRAFTWER? > http://www.club-internet.fr/depechemode/news/ > Attendez-vous toujours la sortie du nouvel > album de Kraftwerk? >=20 > (sourire)Je pense que ce sera tr=E8s > passionnant de voir ce que Kraftwerk a > comme possibilit=E9 pour rester innovateur.=20 (snip) Depeche Mode : see below (under Suicide) > (F) > Aphex Twin > >From the IDM comp Warp. > what are you infunces ? > RDJ: Computer world. > =3D Fine. Actually, I read on another list (AH I think) that CW was the 1st synth album and came across but denied any influence of it on his music. However, that was 2nd info. I consider your quote (even if the exact reference is missing) as 1st hand info. HOWEVER, at the official WARP site, you can also read the following : http://www.warp-net.com/warp/file/aphex.html "In the past the phenomenon of Richard D. James has been compared to James Joyce, Brian Eno, Debussy, Throbbing Gristle, Paul Shutze,=20 Gustav Holst, Wagon Christ, Peter Greenaway, Erik Satie, 4 Hero,=20 Mantronix, Jeoff Koons, Mantovani, Derrick May, Damien Hirst, Omni Trio, Ken Ishii, Mikey Nyman, Phil Glass, Derek Jarman, Mouse On Mars,=20 Panasonic, Mark Rothko, Ennio Morricone, Jimi Tenor, Wish Mountain,=20 Barnett Newmann, Sabres of Paradise, Photek, Kraftwerk, John Cage,=20 My Bloody Valentine, Main, Thomas Koner, Avro Part, Karlheinz=20 Stockhausen, Joe Bach, Marcel Duchamp, Holger Czukay, Jamiroquai*,=20 Wagner, Mozart, Turner, a weird beard Cornish twat, Jimmy Cauty's=20 bowels and the Clangers.=20 In the future everything else'll be compared to him. " No further comment... > (G) > some recent interview ? > Bernard Sumner on what Influnced Ian Curtis and he > Ian would play kraftwerk before we took the stage The Man Machine > this had a great impact on the whole sound/production with Martin Hanne= tt and > later with New Order > =3D Yes, at http://www.roughguides.com/rock/entries/JOY_DIVISION.html , you can read : "Curtis's influence over the band's change in direction is undeniable. As Sumner once told Paul Morley: 'Ian used to play Kraftwerk records to=20 us, saying "listen to this, this is something new, something fantastic." Maybe he knew and maybe he was showing us the way." From the above, it's easy to understand that, since Curtis died in=20 may 80, he could hardly have played CW to the other folks. And BTW : Curtis joined the band in 77. So he might have played KW to the others in 77/78. Funny Brittons : KW as "something new" in 77 ! Always up to date, eh ? > (H) > an interview from 83 read on the net location is unknown at the moment = : ( > Klaus Schulze > Q.What are you playing in the studio lately > KS Computer World non stop You just can't be serious, eh ? Schulze influenced by CW ? It's like saying : Mc Cartney influenced by K. Richards... It simply doesn't make any sense... > (I)? > I also recall Alan Veaga kissing R&F butt sometime in 94/95 Niet. Vega's position has always remained clear and identical : he and M. Rev (aka Suicide), along with KW (since they both started roughly at the same time) were the true and only creators of the=20 synth-pop sound (whatever you call it) and the first ones to use drum machines on stage. Everything that came after (DM, Soft Cell and the like) was pure rip-off of their original work. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 18:40:25 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk jbv wrote : > >BTW, is there any major / noticeable difference between "Barbie Girl" > >and a song like "The Model" ? lbo wrote: > > are you joking jbv or is this a retorical question? "Rethorical" I don't know, but it was a real question : forget for a minute everything you know about KW & Aqua, and focuse on the songs. Is there any big difference between them ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:44:30 EST From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: RE: (kw) The Sunday Times quote >> You've pretended that they stated that Kraftwerk is the second >>most influential band in contemporary music, while they actually >>wrote that their influence in pop music is comparable to the Beatles.< >The underlying assumption is, "The Beatles WERE the most influential band in >contemporary music". I think a more accurate way to prove your point, mode, would be to correctly quote the article, not write what you think it's assumption was. >>The following names are a few examples of Germans (or >>people who lived in Germany) being active as pioneers in the field of >The total influence on popular German culture of all the obscure names you >mentioned was a FRACTION of that exerted by The Beatles on their own. It was >only later that German culture again became acceptable and defined. This process >was defined by the likes of Kraftwerk. Obscure? I've seen most of those names associated with electronic music in books that I've read...... >Your maths is rather weak, I've actually provided 2 examples and will provide >more if necessary. The 2 are that: >1) Kraftwerk have had a major influence on contemporary German culture. >Making it acceptable and mainstream. Please give me some examples. I'm very curious how you think they have done that. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 13:57:26 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) rammstein vs. kraftwerk On 08-Feb-98, Jon Alsbury wrote: >send it to the Babel Fish! always good for a laugh... ...especially if you translate the translation back again! :-D Fun for the whole family, and total strangers too. - -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 19:09:42 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk jbv wrote: >forget for a minute everything you know about KW & Aqua, and focuse on >the songs. Is there any big difference between them ? > apart from one being shite euro-techno? hmmm....... I'll leave yaz to guess which one I mean. ciao, - ------------------------------------ Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! #Kraftwerk IRC homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ No:- 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 14:00:04 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) rammstein vs. kraftwerk >> >>Auch wenn der ursprngliche Bedeutungszusammenhang eines Stckes durch die >>[snip] >> >>someone willing to translate ?! ;) P.S.-- I think 'Bedeutungsuzuammenhang' means 'shoe', but I could be wrong... - -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 11:19:18 -0800 From: Jean-Luc Turbo Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electrotica On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:57:59 -0800 **************** writes: > >There appear to have been very few women who have influenced the = >development of electronic music. guess u never heard of laurie anderson.... responding: well, there's one...I would still define that as "few" in our ongoing tally... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 14:32:42 EST From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electrotic(a) In a message dated 2/8/98 7:20:18 PM, you wrote: <> What about Pauline Oliveros? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 15:25:26 -0000 From: Mike Morgan Subject: (kw) What If? Kraftwerk Merchandise Ideas Hey why not add to the list of possible new merchanise items a new CD Now I realise that it is radical thought so probably very unlikely to happen but you never know....... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:06:40 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk jbv wrote: > > >forget for a minute everything you know about KW & Aqua, and focuse on > >the songs. Is there any big difference between them ? > > Jules Seifert wrote: > apart from one being shite euro-techno? hmmm....... > > I'll leave yaz to guess which one I mean. > OK, Jules, I see your point. But you still don't answer the question... Apart from extra-musical considerations, what are the big differences between both songs ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:08:43 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica mode.123@virgin.net writes: > > > >There appear to have been very few women who have influenced the = > >development of electronic music. Jean-Luc Turbo wrote: > guess u never heard of laurie anderson.... > > responding: well, there's one...I would still define that as "few" in > our ongoing tally... How can you guys be so illiterate ? What about Wendy Carlos ? Pauline Oliveiros ? Laurie Spiegel ? Eliane Radigue ? And also : Annea Lockwood, Ruth Anderson, Megan Roberts... Actually, I have a vinyl album from circa 77/78 featuring works by these persons (except Carlos and radigue), but including 2 pieces of L. Anderson (while the others have only one, but a pretty long one for most of them, while L.A.'s pieces are quite short), as well as a piece by Johanna M. Beyer recorded in 1938 ! And last but not least, it was the 1st time I heard of L.A. and it was a few years before "O Superman". jbv PS there's a general tendency on this list, as on many others, to consider that since you haven't heard of an artist, it's just like this artists never existed... I guess most of you never heard the above names before (apart from W. Carlos, of course)... So, will you jump to the conclusion that they haven't influenced emusic as much as DM ? Or may be do you want to limit this topic to "electronica" ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 15:09:38 EST From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electrotica On Sun, 08 Feb 1998 11:19:18 -0800 Jean-Luc Turbo writes: > >On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:57:59 -0800 **************** > >writes: >> >>There appear to have been very few women who have influenced the = >>development of electronic music. > >guess u never heard of laurie anderson.... > >responding: well, there's one...I would still define that as "few" in >our ongoing tally... > granted, there arent as many as males, but theres more than few: heres a couple more: diamanda galas, wendy carlos, sussan deiheim... tom w np: deiheim/horowitz - majoun _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:19:27 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electrotica tweibrecht@juno.com wrote: > > granted, there arent as many as males, but theres more than few: heres a > couple more: diamanda galas, wendy carlos, sussan deiheim... > Susan Deihim ? Really ? I thought she was just a singer, even if she's been involved in various albums, projects and live acts with Horowitz... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:21:31 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electrotica God damn ! I forgot Marina LaPalma ! My true and sincere apologies... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:26:07 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica Hey, What about Yoko Ono ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:30:40 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica jbv wrote: > > Actually, I have a vinyl album from circa 77/78 featuring works by > these persons (except Carlos and radigue), Check at www.electronicmusic.com/features/reviews/music/womeninemusic.html especially the first paragraph... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 15:34:51 -0800 From: "Patrick S. Daly" Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica jbv wrote: > > Hey, > > What about Yoko Ono ? You CAN'T be serious. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:58:25 +0100 From: Olf Ranthiz Subject: (kw) cd's 4 sale "Lebendige Menschen", Tribal Gathering '97 + bonus $20 "ZKM" Karlsruhe 1997 + bonus 2CD $40 "Lichtgestalten" Linz 1997 + bonus(limited numbered to 500) $40 + shipping costs. e-mail me privately if you're interested. - -- take care tf ************************************************************* "Drinking and smoking are bad for the health" -Charles Bukowski # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:44:55 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica jbv wrote: > > > > Hey, > > > > What about Yoko Ono ? > Patrick S. Daly wrote: > > You CAN'T be serious. Do you mean in general, or on THAT specific topic ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 20:03:00 +0100 From: "dock" Subject: (kw) KW Rhythm And now for something completely different. Am I the only one here who are really impressed with the drums etc in KW music? Each and every song has itīs own unique rhythm. the other instrument incorporates. Itīs quite obvious when you listen especially to numbers, boing boom tchack (my wife hates this!), and TEE. Very minimalistic and rhythmic music. Some friends of mine who also play drums /percussion like KW settings even if they donīt like their music. The same thing do I think also works for Prodigy (latest album). I can find very KW sound and rhythms there. Much more than in other lame/pale copycatband. D& # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:54:18 -0800 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Survey & other stuff.... > From: angela > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) Survey > Date: Sunday, February 08, 1998 8:36 AM > > Hello. I am from the state of Arkansas -(SNIP)- So's Bill Clinton!*HeeHee*! Look out.... > Oh well, this is probably more than any of > you wanted to know, but it makes me feel better. Sorry : -) > Heather D. - -------- *GREET.INGS*! I enjoyed your post- no, it wasn't too long or boring at all. It's nice to know details about other people on the List! Welcome also to Patrick S. Daly and all other NewComers! btw: I checked Patrick's page about his 80's style SynthPoP unit- KooL! Nice SoundBytes! for the "Survey" record: ROBOT aka: Melanie Jean Mayfield FemBOT, Date of Manufacture: 4/29/57 EUREKA! California. -(SOGGY Redwood Country)- No "Occupation" -(I'm on disability for being "bi-polar")-, but, I am a skilled Artist/Draftsman. I love KW and STAR TREK and ALL kinds of MusiK & SCI-FI, Science & Technology, Critters & Nature, UFO's Paranormal StuFF, etc. Ofcourse, KW is the biggest thing in my life. Ah, sweet destiny.... Other Stuff: Thanks to 'mode.123' for the TOO kind words about my HomePage.*BLUSH*. Gawrsh- I need to twist hubby's arm to help me UPdate a few of the Links, and I gotta do a Valentine's Day Card. Plus I nEEd to add TREK stuff, not just Links to all the gillions of TREK Sites that are already out there. - -(Someone else is already doing SEV TREK Cartoons: . The style is similar to Matt Gröning's The Simpsons. How could I possibly top THAT?*HeeHee! I wanna join the BORG Collective!)- Anyways, I intend to keep my WebSite SIMPLE so it's easily accessible with QUICK download time. -(Check my BioSynThesis for details regarding my ROBOTiK Existence.)- Please visit! ThanX! ps: Konnichiwa to all of our Friends in Japan! I LOVED the Olympics Opening Ceremonies in Nagano- it was so beautiful! I'm fascinated by Nagano's Ancient History as a Spiritual Center. I wish Ralf & Florian would join the German Cycling Team for the Summer games. -(Um, they DO have Cycling in the Summer Olympics, don't they?)- If not, they should do the Tour de France, for sure! :] ROBOSMILEY =OHM SWEET OHM= ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ -(HomePage)- ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #52 ******************************