From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #53 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Sunday, February 8 1998 Volume 02 : Number 053 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 16:13:37 -0800 From: "Patrick S. Daly" Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica jbv wrote: > > jbv wrote: > > > > > > Hey, > > > > > > What about Yoko Ono ? > > > > Patrick S. Daly wrote: > > > > You CAN'T be serious. > > Do you mean in general, or on THAT specific topic ? > Just about Yoko Ono. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 13:14:26 -0800 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica OOPS! I forgot to mention.... Women in Electronica: Clara Rockmore- Thereminist Extraordinaire! 1930's, I think...? btw: Wendy Carlos used to be Walter when Switched-On BACH came out. Does that count?? That's just a conversational "aside". Who cares about "gender identity"? -(It's PERSONAL, and I totally respect Wendy- and I still have a crush on her. A truly beautiful person!)- Male OR female, I still LOVE the MusiK!! KW Merchandise? Yeah- Life-Sized Fully FunKtional ROBOTS!! Walk in the room and they start playing tunes! KooL! Okay- I think I covered everything I missed in my last post. Not to stray off-topic, but, I really AM impressed with the Olympics in Nagano. VERY nice! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 22:15:00 +0100 From: Thomas Subject: Re: (kw) SURVEY >>1) Where from? > Born in Mannheim, south of Germany, but lived in D=FCsseldorf, now in Cologne (since last year), not too far away from D=FCsseldorf=20 >>2) Occupation? > I study computer science and business computing, and I work at the German aerospace research establishment at the high-performance computing department. >>3) Age? > 26 (1/25/72) Thomas p.s.: I went some days ago through something like an international studio list index, and i found another Kling-Klang Studio in Denmark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 18:05:45 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica On 09-Feb-98, ROBOT wrote: >OOPS! I forgot to mention.... >Women in Electronica: >Clara Rockmore- Thereminist Extraordinaire! 1930's, I think...? I think so-- I seem to recall her being mentioned on a few Web pages. Speaking of Gals Wit Synths, has anyone heard from Tara Cross or Lauri Paisley lately? They were very active up to the mid-80s, but they seem to have quieted down lately. - -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 18:20:36 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) KW Rhythm On 08-Feb-98, dock wrote: >And now for something completely different. >Am I the only one here who are really impressed with the drums etc in KW >music? I was very surprised with the percussion on 'Boing Boom Tschak', because it seemed so much heavier than their usual 'kit'. The same with 'The Telephone Call'. I originally had trouble playing the vinyl version of TEE because it skipped all the time-- the needle would literally jump out of the grooves! That filter-sweep sound ('Tshhyoop', it goes) you hear on 'Techno Pop' has become a real standard; everyone seems to be using it these days... - -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:01:47 -0800 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Women in electronica jbv wrote: >What about Wendy Carlos ? Pauline Oliveiros ? Laurie Spiegel ? Eliane Radigue ? Or may be do you want to limit this topic to "electronica" ?< Yes jbv, but as a sophisticated and civilised French gent maybe you could tell us whether any of the ladies you mention are presentable? mode.123 PS: I used the word "electrotica", it was meant to be a cross between erotica and electronic # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:03:51 -0800 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk jbv wrote:- >But you still don't answer the question... Apart from extra-musical considerations, what are the big differences between both songs ?< jbv - Since you keep asking the same question why don't you put us out of our misery and provide the answer yourself. mode.123 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:20:59 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk **************** wrote: > > jbv - Since you keep asking the same question why don't you put us out of our misery and provide the answer yourself. > > mode.123 > What makes you think I have an answer for every question ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 22:30:45 +0000 From: Chris Lee Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica What about Anne Dudley during her Art of Noise years? They certainly opened my eyes to the joys of sampling. Cheers, Chris Lee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:26:03 -0800 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) The Sunday Times quote >"Obscure" names you'll find in most books about electronic music - in=20 >opposite to Kraftwerk... Being quoted in books does not necessarily mean much. Most of the worlds = population is illiterate but not deaf.=20 >> was a FRACTION of that exerted by The Beatles on their=20 >> own. >In terms of commercial success maybe, in terms of musical influences=20 >hardly. Your demeaning attitude towards commercial success is very pompous.=20 >> It was only later that German culture again became acceptable and >> defined. This process was defined by the likes of Kraftwerk. >Now that statement is a bit strong, isn't it? :-) =09 I apologise if you interpreted this as a slur towards Germany and = Germans; this was not intentional. My understanding is that most Germans = in the 1950's and 1960s were embarassed about the atrocites that Germany = had committed during the 1930's and 1940's. Consequently, they looked = towards American and British culture. It was only in the late 1960's and = 1970's that the liberal post war German economic model was able to = synergise with contemporary German culture represented significantly by = Kraftwerk. >> 2) Kraftwerk have broken down racial barriers. >Yes, in a certain way, in rap music. >Except for that, I think that people like Martin Luther King or=20 >Nelson Mandela are more commonly associated with breaking down=20 >racial barriers than Kraftwerk. I think you may find black kids in American ghettos who have been = influenced more by Kraftwerk than by either Nelson Mandela of MLK. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:42:21 +0100 From: "Kotta" Subject: (kw) SURVEY >1) Where from? Upplands V=E4sby just outside Stockholm, Sweden >2) Occupation? Currently working student. (a break in the studies to raise funds for rec= ord purchasing!) >3) Age? 21 (b. 1976) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 15:49:57 -0700 (MST) From: Ra Subject: (kw) KW mention A friend of mine found this mention of Kraftwerk in a book. Sorry if this has already been posted. I have a bad memory for these things. The rest of my message is after the article. - ----------8<------------8<---------------8<-------------- The New Rolling Stone Record Guide edited by Dave Marsh and John Swenson 0-394-72107-1 KRAFTWERK * * * * Autobahn / Mer. (1975) * * * Radio-Activity / Cap. (1975) * * * Trans-Europe Express / Cap. (1977) * * * Man-Machine / Cap. (1978) * * * Computer World / War. (1981) This German band didn't invent the synthesizer, but Autobahn, a sonic portrait of a drive along the world's second most famous roadway (after Route 66), went a long way towards popularizing the instrument. Complete with whooshes resembling passing autos, repeated refrains and droning choruses, "Autobahn" is a 22-minute composition that encapsulates the hypnotic redundancy of a twelve-hour drive. Valuable as both a musical oddity and background music for watching tropical fish sleep. The other albums repeat the latter's musical themes with varying motifs, and are hence unnecessary. -- A. N. - ----------8<------------8<---------------8<-------------- Me again. I have something to rant about here. *WHY* is Autobahn so popular? I understand it's the only KW track to make the top 40 in the US. The above article and some people on the list dismiss all other KW material as being inferior to Autobahn? WHY???? I truly can't understand this. I have exactly the reverse opinion. If I were a member of KW I would have tried to stop Autobahn from being released. It's an embarrassment. The way I see it, someone who likes Autobahn doesn't like Kraftwerk. I hope you can see that I simply can't determine the reason for liking Autobahn. Would anyone who really likes that track care to tell me why? /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:46:03 +0000 From: Andy Garner Subject: (kw) CD's FS/Trade I have the following CD's to sell or trade. Sale prices ar $12 or 8 GBP. Please e-mail me privately if interested: David Sylvian - Gone To Earth Best Before - The End Of The World Biosphere - Substrata Falconer - Falconer Franke, Chris - Babylon 5 Franke, Chris - Klemania Franke, Chris - Pacific Coast Highway Future Sound Of London - Dead Cities (Ltd Ed'n Box Set with Book) Habes, Tom - The Other Side Haslinger , Paul - World Without Rules Inoue, Makoto - Chronology 2 Klamt, Greg - Fluxus Quo Quasar, Frank - Atmos Six & More - Blue Q Software - The Art Of Perfume Vietgrove - Orbis Tertius Williams, Bekki - Elysian Fields Williams, Bekki - Shadow Of The Wind You - Era Box Set (5CD's) Kitaro: An Enchanted Evening Cirque Ingenue Daichi - From The Full Moon Story Heaven & Earth Ki Kojiki Mandala Oasis Peace On Earth Silk Road Suite - Remastered Edition Silver Cloud Tunhuang - Remastered Edition Live In America The World Of Kitaro - by the London National Philharmonic Orchestra Astralasia - Pitched Up At The Rdge Of Reality Bainbridge, Harvey - Red Shift Bleep & Booster - The World Of Bleep & Booster Boots, Ron - Currents Boots, Ron & Ian Boddy - Phase 3 Code - The Arechitect Corporation - Breed David Devant & His Spirit Wife - Work, Lovelife, Miscellanneous Downes, Geoff - Vox Humana Echo & The Bunnymen - Evergreen Hannant, Beaumont - Sculptured Kennedy, Brian - Great War Of Words Lanvall - Auramony (featuring Gandalf) Lynne - Witchwood Miracle Mile, The - Bicycle Thieves (2CD) Moria Falls - The Long Goodbye Morrison, Van - Live In San Francisco Rhythm & Irrelevance - #9 Dreams (recycle Or Die Label) Schonning, Klaus - Lydglimt Schonning, Klaus - Nasavu Schonning, Klaus - Cyclus Schonning, Klaus - Locrian Arabesque Seahorses, The - Do It Yourself Sedona - Natural Colours - (IC Label) Symbian - The Skywatcher (IC Label) Symbian - No Man's Land (IC Label) Teenage Fan Club - Songs From Northern Britain Various Artists - LA Confidential Chapter 2 (Promo) (featuring Laurent Garnier, St Germain, Nova Nova,. Scan X, Feedback, Iberian) Various Artists - One World, One Voice Various Artists - Sequences Magazine 14, 15,16,17,18 Various Artists - Some Music Is Private Music (Featuring Patrick O' Hearn, Yanni, Leo Kottke, Eddie Jobson) Various Artists - Trance Pacific Express (Australian Trance Compilation) (2CD) Von Daniken - New Worlds Whitlan, Stephan - Map Reference Whitlan, Stephan - Inertial Moments (Ltd Numbered Edition -36 of 100) Wright, David - Live At The London Planetarium - -- Andy Garner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 00:16:59 +0100 From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) popular culture was: The Sunday Times quote well, what we have here is a problem of intercultural communication and = a=20 problem in defining popular and general (canonised ?!) culture.... it seams clear to me, that german culture in general, and KW as a very=20 special part of it, is seen in a completely different way outside of the = german cultural context than inside of it. it's quite interesting to see how non-german people see, feel, and = reciepe=20 (!?) KW. maybe for some of them KW represents german culture. but actually KW is just a part of germany's *popular* culture, although = KW=20 entered the canon of germany's general culture (see schneider becoming=20 professor at ZKM; considering KW as a whole artistic concept) BUT it would be very exaggerated to consider that KW *defined* germany's = post ww II culture. sure, KW had a major impact on popular culture,=20 especially on music. but still they are just a band, that influenced later generations of=20 musicans in the whole world. that's what IMHO is most fascinating about = KW.=20 they had such a strong impact on popular music: their sound went over to the us and became a totaly different meaning = when=20 it was played by africa bambaata and other true-school heroes back in = the=20 early 80's. same thing with the detroit techno movement. their djs=20 re-evaluated KW and brought it finally back to germany.... i think, today german KW-fans are diveded into two different parties. = the=20 ones see KW as the revolutionary post-rock-art band from the 70's and = the=20 other party sees KW as forerunners "godfathers" of the techno and=20 dance-thing. i think, that KW became very aware of their impact on popular techno and = dance-music last year. IMHO they feel very close to that scene. playing = at=20 tribal gathering having daft punk and laurent garnier as support-act = proves=20 this... that's what i think, regards, andreas ps: i hate not to be able to express myself the way i want to. i am not=20 used to write in english. i hope you see what i mean anyway :) - ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 00:22:49 +0100 From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) autobahn i was recently reading that autobahn went no. 1 in the us, because the=20 americans thought that "wir fahrn, fahrn, fahrn auf der autobahn" was a=20 parody of beach boys "fun, fun, fun". can someone confirm this ?! *serious* .as - ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de - -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Ra [SMTP:lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca] Gesendet am: Sonntag, 8. Februar 1998 23:50 An: Kraftwerk Mailing List Betreff: (kw) KW mention I have something to rant about here. *WHY* is Autobahn so popular? I understand it's the only KW track to make the top 40 in the US. The = above article and some people on the list dismiss all other KW material as being inferior to Autobahn? WHY???? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 18:21:58 +0000 From: Ernesto Perez Subject: (kw) O lbo@iol.it wrote: > > > original work woth Bobby O and their first album actually had > who is Bobby > O? > New York producer responsible for other acts like the Flirts and Divine. ernie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 01:27:50 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Influences (was: RE: (kw) The Sunday Times quote) > >"Obscure" names you'll find in most books about electronic music - in > >opposite to Kraftwerk... > > Being quoted in books does not necessarily mean much. Correct, being quoted in single books doesn't necessarily mean much. Being praised in many books, written by experts in the field of electronic music usually means a lot. > Your demeaning attitude towards commercial success is very pompous. There's nothing wrong with commercial success. But if commercial success would automatically mean influence, the Spice Girls would be more influential than Kraftwerk. > My understanding is that most Germans in the 1950's and 1960s were > embarassed about the atrocites that Germany had committed during the > 1930's and 1940's. Consequently, they looked towards American and British > culture. This may make sense for certain aspects of everyday culture ("Coca-Colanisation"), but it is hardly true for German culture in general, especially not in Kraftwerk's field, the field of electronic music. The NWDR studios in Koeln were already founded in 1954. > It was only in the late 1960's and 1970's that the liberal post war German > economic model was able to synergise with contemporary German culture This process actually happened during the 1950's, the "Wirtschaftswunder" era. > I think you may find black kids in American ghettos who have been > influenced more by Kraftwerk than by either Nelson Mandela of MLK. How many? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:24:33 -0700 From: "Greg Heil" Subject: Re: (kw) autobahn i was recently reading that autobahn went no. 1 in the us, because the americans thought that "wir fahrn, fahrn, fahrn auf der autobahn" was a parody of beach boys "fun, fun, fun". can someone confirm this ?! *serious* .as ???? What?? It isn't "The fun, fun, fun of the Autobahn?!" heehee :) That's what I used to think it was.. of course, I think KW knows a lot about speech and speech patterns between languages and does this on purpose. That's why it's fun to invent new words for the songs.. I'm still trying to figure out "The Robots" but that's the fun part.. it makes you listen each time. Is it just me.. or is "The Mix" speech really bad? That was my first album.. couldn't understand a lot of it until I got the originals. Greg H. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 20:01:20 -0800 From: "Patrick S. Daly" Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica Chris Lee wrote: > > What about Anne Dudley during her Art of Noise years? They certainly > opened my eyes to the joys of sampling. And now AON gets sampled . . . e.g., Prodigy uses that "Hey!" from Close to the Edit. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 20:02:14 -0800 From: "Patrick S. Daly" Subject: Re: (kw) The Sunday Times quote > I think you may find black kids in American ghettos who have been influenced more by Kraftwerk than by either Nelson Mandela of MLK. Actually, there's a lot of truth to that: "Tour de France." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 20:05:11 -0800 From: "Patrick S. Daly" Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention > were a member of KW I would have tried to stop Autobahn from being > released. It's an embarrassment. The way I see it, someone who likes > Autobahn doesn't like Kraftwerk. Ah c'mon. It's not my favorite KW, but that statement is just silly. > > I hope you can see that I simply can't determine the reason for liking > Autobahn. Would anyone who really likes that track care to tell me why? I like the trancey-ness of it. It's very pleasant to listen to. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 20:14:06 EST From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) The Sunday Times quote On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:26:03 -0800 **************** writes: > >> > My understanding is that most Germans = >in the 1950's and 1960s were embarassed about the atrocites that >Germany = >had committed during the 1930's and 1940's when all else fails, bring up the "atrocities"....u really are one warped son of a bitch... >I think you may find black kids in American ghettos who have been = >influenced more by Kraftwerk than by either Nelson Mandela of MLK. > please...shut the fuck up...u have absolutely no clue....u know who influences black kids? michael jordan! stop attempting to sociologize america would you... christ almighty tom w np: death cube k - disembodied > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:33:54 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention >> were a member of KW I would have tried to stop Autobahn from being >> released. It's an embarrassment. The way I see it, someone who likes >> Autobahn doesn't like Kraftwerk. HUHHH?? You mean they were gonna release something else? - -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 20:34:10 -0500 (EST) From: LeeLo Subject: (kw) hello list Hey list...I am a new member....I am from america...anyone else from america on list? any computer science majors like myself?... - -leelo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 03:28:55 +0100 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electrotica >>guess u never heard of laurie anderson.... >> >>responding: well, there's one...I would still define that as "few" in >>our ongoing tally... >> > >granted, there arent as many as males, but theres more than few: heres a >couple more: diamanda galas, wendy carlos, sussan deiheim... and if you think about the male/female ratio in general music, I mean composers not just singers, they seem to be even higher than average. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 03:49:13 +0100 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) SURVEY >p.s.: I went some days ago through something like an international >studio list index, and i found another Kling-Klang Studio in Denmark no, it's because these stories of the Roskilde concerts seem to be true... they are starting to move it earlier... :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 03:14:12 +0100 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk >forget for a minute everything you know about KW & Aqua, and focuse on >the songs. Is there any big difference between them ? well, are you talking about this barbie girl song that impest radios? yes, sure. barbie girl is a false song, maliciously false, like almost everything from mainstream music for the stupid one who listen to it like they watch television. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 03:59:20 +0100 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention >> Autobahn doesn't like Kraftwerk. hey, try to follow the line of Kraftwerk from the beginning and you'll see that it's very coherent. maybe you can think about them starting from CW and doing nothing else before, but if you track them backward, as I did because I knew them from Radioactivity, you'll discover a lot of brilliant things. >> I hope you can see that I simply can't determine the reason for liking >> Autobahn. Would anyone who really likes that track care to tell me why? well, i's the concept... it's a trip, a real trip... all these people singing about lsd trip and then those guys singing about a car trip but in such way... so spacious... long, elegant sounds... always polite and then so strong, so evocative... yes, that's another orgasmic experience. and I don't know if you ride bikes. I do and this is the perfect soundtrack for a nice ride. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 22:33:58 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention On 09-Feb-98, lbo wrote: >and I don't know if you ride bikes. I do and this is the perfect >soundtrack for a nice ride. Or for a drive on a clear morning on Interstate 84 here in the US... The Interstates are a lot like the Autobahnen, except that we have a speed limit-- or so they say. It depends on who you talk to. ;-) - -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 18:53:50 -0800 From: Jean-Luc Turbo Subject: Re: (kw) AUTOBAHN Soleil "Ra" Lapierre wrote: >I have something to rant about here. *WHY* is Autobahn so popular? I >understand it's the only KW track to make the top 40 in the US. The >above >article and some people on the list dismiss all other KW material as >being inferior to Autobahn? WHY???? >I truly can't understand this. I have exactly the reverse opinion. If I >were a member of KW I would have tried to stop Autobahn from being >released. It's an embarrassment. The way I see it, someone who likes >Autobahn doesn't like Kraftwerk. >I hope you can see that I simply can't determine the reason for liking >Autobahn. Would anyone who really likes that track care to tell me why? Jean-Luc Turbo responding: I actually have to admit I agree to a degree (oooh nice rhyme...). I've never understood the big deal with Autobahn. It never did much for me. I played it the other night after having not for probably ten years and it's still cheesey IMHO. However, Ra, I am wondering why you would think, "as a member of KW" no less, that you'd want to stop a release of something "you" created??? Obviously our pals at Kling Klang liked it enough to send it our way. They probably still like it. Also, you know you're asking for a freaking cyberbruisin' when you make statments like, "The way I see it, someone who likes Autobahn doesn't like Kraftwerk." Ra! Ease up on the main thrusters. Those kind of statements and that kind of attitude don't lend themselves to a mature discussion of KW. I'm sure a bunch of our pals like Autobahn for some very good reasons (i.e.- "I like the way it sounds," "I like the way it makes me feel," or if you're ROBOT, "I like the way it makes my speakers shake," etc.). After telling your fellow KW friends, who happen to like Autobahn by the way, that if they like Autobahn then they can't possibly like KW, you then appeal to them to tell you why. You've already put them on the defense!! Now some great questions come to mind pertaining to your age and maturity, but I'm not going to ask them. I just want to make a request: please discuss your differences of opinion with respect for yourself and for all it pertains to. Then you'll get what I hope is what you really want: some good arguements in favor of a KW track called Autobahn that neither you nor myself are especially fond of. The way you've propositioned the question above, it seems your intent is to assert your "KW musical superiority". Well, if that's the way you want it, so be it. I apologize for placing this long post publicly, however, as of late it seems a number of us have been a little on the disrespectful side regarding differences of opinion. I'd like this to be an environment where we can have disagreements, ask silly questions, and basically have a cybercommunity where we know that at least here, we're respected and safe. Best Regards, Jean-Luc Turbo The Cult of Eidophusikon jean_luc_turbo@yahoo.com eidocult@pacbell.net "Kindness it is that brings forth kindness always" --Sophocles # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:58:34 EST From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) What If? Kraftwerk Merchandise Ideas On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 23:26:30 -0800 Fred Becker writes: >Kraftwerk Hallmark Ornament (like the Beatles one if you've seen it) >Kraftwerk Metal Lunchbox (classic retro) >Kraftwerk Calculator >Kraftwerk Limited Edition Pentium Computer >Kraftwerk Toy Playset (Kling Klang Studio) >Kraftwerk Toy Playset (Concert Lineup) >Kraftwerk Coins/Stamps/Postcards >Kraftwerk Bicycle >Kraftwerk CD Box (to hold CD's) >Kraftwerk Drinking Glasses (one for each band member and each album) > >Please add your own ten ideas! Here are the ones I can think of: 1) Kraftwerk neon sign 2) Kraftwerk shortwave radio 3) Kraftwerk mannequins (with or without robotics) 4) Kraftwerk figurines (like Hummels, etc...) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:10:20 -0600 From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention At 03:49 PM 2/8/98 -0700, Soleil "Ra" Lapierre wrote: >I have something to rant about here. *WHY* is Autobahn so popular? I >understand it's the only KW track to make the top 40 in the US. The above >article and some people on the list dismiss all other KW material as >being inferior to Autobahn? WHY???? If you read between the lines, it doesn't exactly sound to me like they're being very kind to "Autobahn": "Valuable as both a musical oddity and background music for watching tropical fish sleep" isn't exactly a ringing endorsement, to my ears. >I truly can't understand this. I have exactly the reverse opinion. If I >were a member of KW I would have tried to stop Autobahn from being >released. It's an embarrassment. The way I see it, someone who likes >Autobahn doesn't like Kraftwerk. Well, I like "Autobahn." I also like pretty much everything Kraftwerk has done since "Autobahn," too (Even "Electric Cafe" and "The Mix," for God's sake). >I hope you can see that I simply can't determine the reason for liking >Autobahn. Would anyone who really likes that track care to tell me why? Both "Autobahn" and "Trans Europe Express," come across to me in the nature of tone poems. Kraftwerk has managed in those two works to capture some of the essential feeling of a long car ride, and of train travel. They work, at least for me. "Autobahn" works so well on that level, that whenever I take a long car trip (fairly frequently, since I do a bit of traveling for business) the first thing I do as I pull on the interstate (sort of the American version of the autobahn, but, alas with speed limits. . . ) is pop "Autobahn" in the tape deck and crank it up. Interestingly enough, it was "Autobahn" which (fairly recently--within the past eight months or so) brought me into the fold of Kraftwerk fandom. Last year I bought a new Volkswagen (GTI-VR6, in case anyone's interested). My best friend, who's a passionate motorhead, decided to celebrate the occasion by putting together and giving me a tape of "German driving music": all the music on the tape was either of German composition or by German artists. When he gave me the tape, I thought for sure that one of the pieces of music on it would be "Autobahn." It had to be there; even though I hadn't heard "Autobahn" for a very long time (possibly not since shortly after it's U.S. release in '75), I knew instinctively that it was the quintessential German driving song, and thus had to be prominently featured on this tape. Alas, it wasn't. And when I discovered it wasn't, I simply *had* to have a recording of "Autobahn." I finally found it (A local record chain had a copy of "The Mix"), and while I bought it for "Autobahn," the rest of the album dragged me happily into the Kraftwerk phenomenon. . . . Best regards, Len "all I need is to buy 'Radioactivity' to complete the collection" Cleavelin - -- Leonard R. Cleavelin e-mail: leonard@inlink.com (preferred) lcleavelin@solutechinc.com (work related) WWW: http://www.inlink.com/~leonard Never ascribe to malice what may be adequately explained by stupidity. *****FIGHT INTERNET SPAM! JOIN CAUCE ***** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 20:48:20 -0700 (MST) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) autobahn On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Andreas Schepers wrote: > i was recently reading that autobahn went no. 1 in the us, because the > americans thought that "wir fahrn, fahrn, fahrn auf der autobahn" was a > parody of beach boys "fun, fun, fun". > can someone confirm this ?! > *serious* I can't confirm it, but that's part of the reason I don't like it. It sounds way too much like the Beach Boys. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #53 ******************************