From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #54 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Monday, February 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 054 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 22:22:57 EST From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention On Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:10:20 -0600 "Leonard R. Cleavelin" writes: > > My >best friend, who's a passionate motorhead, decided to celebrate the >occasion >by putting together and giving me a tape of "German driving music": >all the >music on the tape was either of German composition or by German >artists. curious: what was on the tape? tom w np: trio - dadada _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 20:52:12 -0700 (MST) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, Patrick S. Daly wrote: > > were a member of KW I would have tried to stop Autobahn from being > > released. It's an embarrassment. The way I see it, someone who likes > > Autobahn doesn't like Kraftwerk. > > Ah c'mon. It's not my favorite KW, but that statement is just silly. That didn't come out quite the way I meant it. What I meant was, Autobahn sounds so much NOT like KW that I would expect people who like it not to like the rest of KW music. Such people would probably be Beach Boys fans. :) > > I hope you can see that I simply can't determine the reason for liking > > Autobahn. Would anyone who really likes that track care to tell me why? > > I like the trancey-ness of it. It's very pleasant to listen to. I suppose that could be said for the long version on the Autobahn album. Perhaps I'd like it more if I understood German and/or had been on the real autobahn. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 20:53:09 -0700 (MST) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, Christopher Gross wrote: > >> were a member of KW I would have tried to stop Autobahn from being > >> released. > > HUHHH?? You mean they were gonna release something else? I have no idea. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 20:58:35 -0700 (MST) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, lbo wrote: > >> Autobahn doesn't like Kraftwerk. > > hey, try to follow the line of Kraftwerk from the beginning and you'll see > that it's very coherent. maybe you can think about them starting from CW > and doing nothing else before, but if you track them backward, as I did > because I knew them from Radioactivity, you'll discover a lot of brilliant > things. I like all other KW tracks. Even the other ones on the Autobahn album. I like the stuff on KW1 and KW2 and R&F. I *hate* Autobahn. > >> I hope you can see that I simply can't determine the reason for liking > >> Autobahn. Would anyone who really likes that track care to tell me why? > > well, i's the concept... it's a trip, a real trip... all these people > singing about lsd trip and then those guys singing about a car trip but in > such way... so spacious... long, elegant sounds... always polite and then > so strong, so evocative... yes, that's another orgasmic experience. Are you a music reviewer by any chance? > and I don't know if you ride bikes. I do and this is the perfect > soundtrack for a nice ride. I do, and I suppose you're right. I think it would be more appropriate for a drive in a quiet car, though. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:01:25 -0800 From: "Patrick S. Daly" Subject: (kw) question I'm new to this list, so if you all have discussed this before, I apologize. Anyway, I have a question: A couple of years back a cd came out called "Trance Europe Express" that was a bunch of different bands doing KW songs. I believe Laibach was one of the bands. Has anyone hear heard that cd? Is it worth getting? Patrick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:05:52 -0800 From: "Patrick S. Daly" Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention > I like all other KW tracks. Even the other ones on the Autobahn album. What do you mean EVEN the other ones on the Autobahn album?! "Kometenmelodie 2" is one of my all-time favorite KW songs! Patrick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:06:51 -0800 From: "Patrick S. Daly" Subject: Re: (kw) autobahn Ra wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Andreas Schepers wrote: > > > i was recently reading that autobahn went no. 1 in the us, because the > > americans thought that "wir fahrn, fahrn, fahrn auf der autobahn" was a > > parody of beach boys "fun, fun, fun". > > can someone confirm this ?! > > *serious* > > I can't confirm it, but that's part of the reason I don't like it. It > sounds way too much like the Beach Boys. > Speaking of which, Carl Wilson just died. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:13:35 -0700 (MST) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) AUTOBAHN On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, Jean-Luc Turbo wrote: > However, Ra, I am wondering why you would think, "as a member of KW" no > less, that you'd want to stop a release of something "you" created??? Bad phrasing on my part, perhaps. I was trying to say that is a song I wish they had never made. > Obviously our pals at Kling Klang liked it enough to send it our way. There's so much we'll never know about what how our favorite robots made out favorite music. :( > They probably still like it. Also, you know you're asking for a > freaking cyberbruisin' when you make statments like, "The way I see it, > someone who likes Autobahn doesn't like Kraftwerk." Ra! Ease up on the > main thrusters. Those kind of statements and that kind of attitude > don't lend themselves to a mature discussion of KW. I tried to make it clear that I was just stating my opinion, and I certainly wasn't attacking anyone. Sorry to anyone who took it the wrong way. > I'm sure a bunch of > our pals like Autobahn for some very good reasons (i.e.- "I like the way > it sounds," "I like the way it makes me feel," or if you're ROBOT, "I > like the way it makes my speakers shake," etc.). After telling your Actually, I was expecting most people to say "personal taste" rather than giving a specific reason. Any answer is good. > Now some > great questions come to mind pertaining to your age and maturity, but > I'm not going to ask them. Ooh, personal attacks! But that's what the survey is about. :) On the topic of such posts: I find it interest how easily we all misinterpret each other. Is it simply cultural differences? A lot of the argument here seems to be over what a list member attempted to imply in a message. > I just want to make a request: please > discuss your differences of opinion with respect for yourself and for > all it pertains to. Not sure what you mean here. > The way you've > propositioned the question above, it seems your intent is to assert your > "KW musical superiority". Misinterpretation city. I went out of my way to avoid doing exactly that. I have done that in the past - on this very subject - and didn't get much useful discussion out of it. This time I was hoping to find out if anyone could give a reason for Autobahn's popularity or if it was simply a matter of the majority of personal tastes favoring it. So far, the theory of it being popular because of similarity to the Beach Boys track makes the most sense to me. > I apologize for placing this long post publicly, however, as of late it > seems a number of us have been a little on the disrespectful side > regarding differences of opinion. I'd like this to be an environment > where we can have disagreements, ask silly questions, and basically have > a cybercommunity where we know that at least here, we're respected and > safe. We all would, and appeals such as this are becoming almost as frequent as the posts they complain about. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:20:10 -0700 (MST) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, Leonard R. Cleavelin wrote: > At 03:49 PM 2/8/98 -0700, Soleil "Ra" Lapierre wrote: > > >I have something to rant about here. *WHY* is Autobahn so popular? I > >understand it's the only KW track to make the top 40 in the US. The above > >article and some people on the list dismiss all other KW material as > >being inferior to Autobahn? WHY???? > > If you read between the lines, it doesn't exactly sound to me like they're > being very kind to "Autobahn": "Valuable as both a musical oddity and > background music for watching tropical fish sleep" isn't exactly a ringing > endorsement, to my ears. I noticed that too. I dismissed it as being a review by someone who didn't like KW and/or had only listened to Autobahn because of its popularity. What got me was the dismissal of the rest of KW's material as being more of the same. > Well, I like "Autobahn." I also like pretty much everything Kraftwerk has > done since "Autobahn," too (Even "Electric Cafe" and "The Mix," for God's > sake). Nothing wrong with that. Both are very good albums, if you ask me. > >I hope you can see that I simply can't determine the reason for liking > >Autobahn. Would anyone who really likes that track care to tell me why? > > Both "Autobahn" and "Trans Europe Express," come across to me in the nature > of tone poems. Kraftwerk has managed in those two works to capture some of > the essential feeling of a long car ride, and of train travel. They work, > at least for me. TEE works for me too, especially since I've taken some very long train rides in my time. I've also been across Canada by car or bus several times, but I wouldn't chose to listen to Autobahn for the trip. Maybe Canadian roads lack the atmosphere of the autobahn. :) > When he gave me the tape, I thought for sure that one of the pieces of music > on it would be "Autobahn." It had to be there; even though I hadn't heard > "Autobahn" for a very long time (possibly not since shortly after it's U.S. > release in '75), I knew instinctively that it was the quintessential German > driving song, and thus had to be prominently featured on this tape. I think I see a pattern here. Would you say that you associate Autobahn strongly with a lot of memories about travelling, etc? Is it a "nostalgia song" for you? /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:21:28 -0700 (MST) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, Patrick S. Daly wrote: > > I like all other KW tracks. Even the other ones on the Autobahn album. > > What do you mean EVEN the other ones on the Autobahn album?! > "Kometenmelodie 2" is one of my all-time favorite KW songs! Just trying to avert guilt-by-association. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:33:54 EST From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica On Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:26:07 +0100 jbv writes: > >Hey, > >What about Yoko Ono ? As long as she's not singing!! I've heard cats in heat that sound MUCH better! _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:35:53 -0500 From: tangram Subject: (kw) SURVEY where from originally from Poland, live in Toronto, Canada. occupation office clerk age 30 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:46:06 EST From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:42:33 -0800 >>3) Age? > >40 (which means I'm old enough to vividly remember "Autobahn" in its >original release) THANK YOU!! At 38, I was beginning to think I was the oldest one in this group. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:51:36 EST From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) Survey >only type of music I cannot stand is >music done for dishonest reasons, such as money and trendiness(ie >the current state of alternative music). Do you remember when alternative music really was? Heck, I consider Lawrence Welk alternative, in my line of thinking...he has NEVER been trendy... I love all types of film, except films done for >reasons that are explained in the above, I especially love horror, >cult, and silent films. How about these films? Kentucky Fried Movie Top Secret The Toxic Avenger The Rocky Horror Picture Show Tunnel Vision The Grove Tube _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:31:32 EST From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electrotica On Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:19:27 +0100 jbv writes: > >tweibrecht@juno.com wrote: >> >> granted, there arent as many as males, but theres more than few: >heres a >> couple more: diamanda galas, wendy carlos, sussan deiheim... Wendy Carlos...almost forgot about her... ...uh, you DO realize that Wendy Carlos used to be Walter Carlos, and had a sex change operation, don't you? So, does she still count or not? I haven't heard anything from her as Wendy Carlos, but as Walter I do have a couple of albums, and I think she's a synth pioneer, regardless of gender. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:22:29 EST From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) hello list On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 20:34:10 -0500 (EST) LeeLo writes: > >Hey list...I am a new member....I am from america...anyone else from >america on list? any computer science majors like myself?... There are a number of us Americans on the list. I am in Warren, Michigan, 4 miles north of Detroit. Where do you live? I'm not in school anymore - I graduated in 1977 and did little with computers (little was available at the time). I'm 38 years old and I work in machine maintenance for a meat processor in downtown Detroit. Howzat? Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:25:13 EST From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) rammstein vs. kraftwerk On Sun, 08 Feb 1998 14:00:04 +0500 Christopher Gross writes: >>>Auch wenn der ursprngliche Bedeutungszusammenhang eines >>>Stckes durch >>someone willing to translate ?! ;) >P.S.-- I think 'Bedeutungsuzuammenhang' means 'shoe', but I could >be wrong... I know little German...those words (except der) are not in my vocabulary. Hey, I was excited when I found out the translations for the song titles on Autobahn...then when I got Kraftwerk 2 and later Kraftwerk, I was glad to find those out as well. I still like Komettenmelodie, Mitternacht and Morgenspaziergang...knowing what they mean, I think I appreciate them a lot more. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:17:03 EST From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) What If? Kraftwerk Merchandise Ideas On Sun, 08 Feb 1998 19:05:59 +0100 lbo writes: >Kraftwerk radio tuner as in Radioactivity. Actually, the picture on the back cover of the Radioactivity album is a real radio with quite a history. It is also a rare collector's item, and I for one would love to get my hands on one. For those unfamiliar with its siginificance, the larger words on the back translate to "German Midget Radio" . It is a compact and very weak radio (this one uses only two tubes and I believe one is a power rectifier, essentially making it a 1-tube radio) During WW2, the German government produced these radios in quantity, and gave them away to the citizens free of charge. These radios were more than adequate to pick up strong local stations (and their propaganda) but could not get weaker foreign stations...so...with the population getting half the story, and making sure that everyone gets it gets a lot of public support on your side. It worked well. After the war, most people threw them away because it really wasn't a great radio, much better ones were available. But what I find suprising about this particular radio is that it was obviously designed for worldwide use! 110-130volts (USA/Canada/Mexico/Japan), 150volts (Parts of Australia) and 220-240 volts (the rest of the world) Now to crawl back into my hole... _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:36:25 -0700 From: "Greg Heil" Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention Unfortunately, I can't find "Radioactivity" or "Autobahn" anywhere.. wish I could comment :) The best KW tracks in my mind are those that combine real "noises" into structured songs. I heard one track on "Radioactivity" where it was a radiation meter and it thumped along quicker and quicker.. things like that are songs you can stamp you pencil and kick your desk (heehee mines hollow metal) to. Greg H. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 22:44:30 -0600 From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention At 10:22 PM 2/8/98 EST, tom w wrote: >On Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:10:20 -0600 "Leonard R. Cleavelin" > writes: >curious: what was on the tape? I'd have to pull it out and listen to it again, and I'm not sure I'd recognize all the tracks. A fair amount of German "classical" (i.e. symphonic) music from the Baroque, Romantic, and Neo-Classic periods which are familiar, including a couple of pieces by Bach (Third Brandenburg Concerto) and Handel (selections from the Water Music Suite); The Beatles singing "Komm, gib mir deine Hand" and "Sie lieb dich" , which were German language recordings of "I Want To Hold Your Hand" and "She Loves You" (OK, not German songs but songs in German--close enough for my friend); two symphonic versions of "Deutschland Ueber Alles" (the two versions begin and end the tape; an inside joke for me from my friend, since he and I regularly used to sing "Deutschland Ueber Alles" in our high school cafeteria to irritate certain persons (mostly teachers, though I think it PO'd a few students, too)), and a song titled "99 Luftbalons" , by an artist whose identity I've forcefully suppressed, though I know she is German. . . >np: trio - dadada He missed that one, unfortunately; as the theme for the then current VW Golf ad campaign it would have been perfect. . . . I have a .wav file of "Da Da Da" that I listen to occasionally, but I balk at paying $13 for the one of the CDs which has the song just to get that one track. . . . Best regards, - -- Leonard R. Cleavelin e-mail: leonard@inlink.com (preferred) lcleavelin@solutechinc.com (work related) WWW: http://www.inlink.com/~leonard Never ascribe to malice what may be adequately explained by stupidity. *****FIGHT INTERNET SPAM! JOIN CAUCE ***** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 22:49:30 -0600 From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" Subject: Re: (kw) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:42:33 -0800 At 09:46 PM 2/8/98 EST, Bill Dobiesz wrote (responding to my answers to the survey): >>>3) Age? >> >>40 (which means I'm old enough to vividly remember "Autobahn" in its >>original release) > > >THANK YOU!! > >At 38, I was beginning to think I was the oldest one in this group. Does that make me the oldest? I hope not, but if it does I may claim some sort of title--maybe "Listdad"? Best regards, Len "probably 'Listgranddad' would be more appropriate" Cleavelin - -- Leonard R. Cleavelin e-mail: leonard@inlink.com (preferred) lcleavelin@solutechinc.com (work related) WWW: http://www.inlink.com/~leonard Never ascribe to malice what may be adequately explained by stupidity. *****FIGHT INTERNET SPAM! JOIN CAUCE ***** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 22:57:24 -0600 From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electrotica At 10:31 PM 2/8/98 EST, Bill Dobiesz wrote: >Wendy Carlos...almost forgot about her... > >...uh, you DO realize that Wendy Carlos used to be Walter Carlos, and had >a sex change operation, don't you? > >So, does she still count or not? I haven't heard anything from her as >Wendy Carlos, but as Walter I do have a couple of albums, and I think >she's a synth pioneer, regardless of gender. My recollection is that, as "Walter" she hit it big with the two albums of "Switched on Bach." I vaguely remember that, after the sex change operation she came out with at least one album (more synthesized classics, IIRC), but it seems that she fell off the radar completely. A quick search at CDNow reveals nothing by her (or by him, for that matter). I may have to haul out the heavy duty search engines and see what we can dig up on the Web. Best regards, - -- Leonard R. Cleavelin e-mail: leonard@inlink.com (preferred) lcleavelin@solutechinc.com (work related) WWW: http://www.inlink.com/~leonard Never ascribe to malice what may be adequately explained by stupidity. *****FIGHT INTERNET SPAM! JOIN CAUCE ***** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:55:26 -0700 (MST) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, Greg Heil wrote: > Unfortunately, > I can't find "Radioactivity" or "Autobahn" > anywhere.. wish I could comment :) It took me a long time to find some KW albums too. I still can't find CD versions of RA or TEE. I'll have to try mail-order if I can't find them soon. > The best KW tracks in my mind are those > that combine real "noises" into structured > songs. I like them too, though I wouldn't single them out as necessarily being best. Mind you, can't most KW tracks be said to do that in some sense? OTOH, when it comes to using noises in music, the Art of Noise does a lot more of that. > I heard one track on "Radioactivity" > where it was a radiation meter and it thumped > along quicker and quicker.. things like that > are songs you can stamp you pencil and > kick your desk (heehee mines hollow metal) > to. I know the one. Very nice lead-in. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:27:38 -0600 From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention At 09:20 PM 2/8/98 -0700, Ra wrote: >I think I see a pattern here. Would you say that you associate Autobahn >strongly with a lot of memories about travelling, etc? Is it a "nostalgia >song" for you? To be truthful, there's no association with travel, at least with respect to "Autobahn." To the extent "Autobahn" is a nostalgia piece for me, it is only because it dates back to a time when I was young, and the possibilities of life seemed limitless (before the career mistake, the wasted years, growing older and being diagnosed a diabetic--but let's not depress everyone on the list, now. . . ) Best regards, - -- Leonard R. Cleavelin e-mail: leonard@inlink.com (preferred) lcleavelin@solutechinc.com (work related) WWW: http://www.inlink.com/~leonard Never ascribe to malice what may be adequately explained by stupidity. *****FIGHT INTERNET SPAM! JOIN CAUCE ***** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:27:35 -0600 From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention At 09:55 PM 2/8/98 -0700, Ra wrote: >On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, Greg Heil wrote: > >> Unfortunately, >> I can't find "Radioactivity" or "Autobahn" >> anywhere.. wish I could comment :) > >It took me a long time to find some KW albums too. I still can't find CD >versions of RA or TEE. I'll have to try mail-order if I can't find them soon. FWIW, I got my copies of "Autobahn" (imported) and "Computer World" (domestic), and just broke down and ordered a copy of "Radio-Activity" (also domestic) from CDNow (http://www.cdnow.com). I bought TEE at a local outlet (stumbled across it at some mall based outlet like Musicland, as I recall), which leads me to believe it should still be in print and able to be ordered by any music store. Best regards, - -- Leonard R. Cleavelin e-mail: leonard@inlink.com (preferred) lcleavelin@solutechinc.com (work related) WWW: http://www.inlink.com/~leonard Never ascribe to malice what may be adequately explained by stupidity. *****FIGHT INTERNET SPAM! JOIN CAUCE ***** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 00:28:34 -0500 From: tangram Subject: (kw) CUSEEME KW REFLECTOR hey guys, i guess a lot of you already heard of something called CUSEEME so, aside from getting to know each other by typing things about ourselves (the very thoughtful and brilliant SURVEY idea) has anyone thought of coming up with something like our own CUSEEME KW REFLECTOR (ftp address) where all of us who own camcorders could go in and see each other while talking aobut KW? just a suggestion..... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:46:28 -0600 From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" Subject: (kw) Wendy Carlos (for anyone interested) I love the Web! Right there in the top ten hits was the Official Wendy Carlos Web Site: http://www.wendycarlos.com/ Haven't had time to actually look at the page in detail, but it appears that she's still alive, kicking and composing. And to judge from the picture, not looking half bad for a transgendered, late middle aged woman. Best regards, - -- Leonard R. Cleavelin e-mail: leonard@inlink.com (preferred) lcleavelin@solutechinc.com (work related) WWW: http://www.inlink.com/~leonard Never ascribe to malice what may be adequately explained by stupidity. *****FIGHT INTERNET SPAM! JOIN CAUCE ***** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 00:31:20 -0700 (MST) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, Leonard R. Cleavelin wrote: > At 09:20 PM 2/8/98 -0700, Ra wrote: > >I think I see a pattern here. Would you say that you associate Autobahn > >strongly with a lot of memories about travelling, etc? Is it a "nostalgia > >song" for you? > > To be truthful, there's no association with travel, at least with respect to > "Autobahn." To the extent "Autobahn" is a nostalgia piece for me, it is > only because it dates back to a time when I was young, and the possibilities > of life seemed limitless Close enough. :) > (before the career mistake, the wasted years, > growing older and being diagnosed a diabetic--but let's not depress everyone > on the list, now. . . ) My sympathy. My health isn't all that great either. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 00:37:25 -0700 (MST) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) CUSEEME KW REFLECTOR On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, tangram wrote: > hey guys, i guess a lot of you already heard of something called CUSEEME No. > so, aside from getting to know each other by typing things about > ourselves (the very thoughtful and brilliant SURVEY idea) has anyone > thought of coming up with something like our own CUSEEME KW REFLECTOR > (ftp address) where all of us who own camcorders could go in and see > each other while talking aobut KW? > just a suggestion..... Wouldn't it be easier just to petition us to put scanned photos of ourselves on our web pages or in a common archive? Besides, some of us might not want to make it easier for the snipers to identify us... ;) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:43:10 -0500 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electrotica >>> There appear to have been very few women who have influenced the = development of electronic music. Rock and pop music have been influenced = by numerous women, especially since the Debbie Harry era. I'm sure they = would contribute a lot.......+ then I might want to have posters of = electronic bands on my bedroom wall... <<< Well, I do know that one of the most prominent women in the genre today is Candace Pacheco, the leader of the multimedia band D'Cuckoo; she and they record for RGB/Hearts of Space. And, of course, but not necesarily "electronica," per se, is Laurie Anderson. Peace _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 9:16:53 +0100 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: Sv: AW: (kw) concert confirmed by MCT > Kraftwerk is one of them!? Listed not under >"Bands" but under "Rygter" I'm wondering what does that mean?? Can >anybody translate?? "Rygter" is Roumors in danish=2E /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 09:28:04 +0100 From: piscart eric Subject: Re: (kw) SURVEY & first hello Hi, i'm new on the list and, as a survey is going on, i introduce myself >1) Where from? - - From Liege, Belgium. (Is here any kw fan ??) >2) Occupation? - - Student at the University of Liege, maybe a journalist soon... >3) Age? - - 23 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 18:03:46 +0900 From: Hiroshi MURATA Subject: Re: (kw) Kevorkian At Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:58:48 +0900, Hiroshi MURATA wrote: > I bet you mean Francois Kevorkian (aka Francois K), who once > remixed "The Mix" version of "Radioactivity". > > He's a huge dance music guy, and owns an underground label > called "Wave Music" . An apology - I forgot to add proper dot between wavemusic and com. It works when we type but its contents is almost empty, without any link to anywhere. (very Kraftwerkish, isn't it? ;-) Its logo, three triangles circulating(?) is correct, though. Regards, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo, Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #54 ******************************