From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #137 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Monday, September 8 1997 Volume 03 : Number 137 In this issue: (kw) Karlsruhe - Addition to the List (kw) Addition to the list (kw) addition to the list (kw) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 01:46:21 +-200 Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. (kw) Slightly off subject (kw) Flock Rockin Beats Re: (kw) CMJ electronica concert--off topic (kw) Robotics (kw) Guests at Karlsruhe Gig Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update (kw) To all Karlsruhe traveller (kw) GASP....10,000... (kw) GASP....10,000... Re: (kw) He is a robot! (kw) Komputer live (kw) Old vibrations FW: (kw) Slightly off subject (kw) nice melodies Re: (kw) GASP....10,000... Re: (kw) Old vibrations Re: (kw) Delayed "End of Violence" Re : (kw) old vibrations See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 22:10:55 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe - Addition to the List > >additions: please update your mail before adding your name to be sure = you >add it to the latest version. > > >1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com >2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de >3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com >4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net >5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net >6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se >7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at >8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl >9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de >10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com >11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de >12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no >13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl >14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl >15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl >16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl >17 Maureen Jansen - >18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl >19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de >20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org >21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se >22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se >23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se >24 Rickard Hidefj=E4ll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se >25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org >26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org >27 Conny Fornb=E4ck conny.annica@wineasy.se >28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se =20 >29 Thomas Weckert tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de >30 Christoph Soltmannowski soltoc@dial.eunet.ch 31 Jules Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk ciao, - ------------------------------------ Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 19:23:21 -0300 From: "Colatina Radio Som Ltda." <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) Addition to the list EDUARDO MONTEIRO (BRASIL) 97fm@colatina.com.br # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 20:20:14 -0300 From: "Colatina Radio Som Ltda." <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) addition to the list > >additions: please update your mail before adding your name to be sure you >add it to the latest version. > > >1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com >2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de >3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com >4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net >5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net >6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se >7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at >8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl >9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de >10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com >11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de >12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no >13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl >14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl >15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl >16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl >17 Maureen Jansen - >18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl >19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de >20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org >21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se >22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se >23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se >24 Rickard Hidefj=E4ll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se >25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org >26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org >27 Conny Fornb=E4ck conny.annica@wineasy.se >28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se =20 >29 Thomas Weckert tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de >30 Christoph Soltmannowski soltoc@dial.eunet.ch 31 Jules Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk 32 EDUARDO MONTEIRO (BRASIL) 97fm@colatina.com.br # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:49:55 -0600 From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 01:46:21 +-200 Hi Werkers! I=B4ve just labeld my C: and D: hard-drives Ralf und Florian! Should I seek professional help? ;-) Seriously, (a bit of the topic here) could anyone recommend a TG CD? Not P-TV or C & C, but TG. I=B4ve just heard their contrbution on the Mute compilation Nervous = Systems, And I=B4ve heard the track on Tyranny Of The Beat compilation. I have the Assume Power Focus CD, but that=B4s not the same is it?! So could someone recommend a more... shall we say "Mainstream" CD by TG? Thanks Uffe _________________________________________________________________________= Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden E-Mail: silverup@algonet.se or robotronik@rocketmail.com _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_= /\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ # Peektime viewing blown in a flash, as I burn into your memory cells# ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_= /\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 08:58:55 +0200 From: Morten Moen Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. >1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com >2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de >3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com >4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net >5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net >6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se >7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at >8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl >9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de >10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com >11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de >12 Morten Moen morten.moen@online.no >13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl >14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl >15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl >16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl >17 Maureen Jansen - >18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl >19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de >20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org >21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se >22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se >23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se >24 Rickard Hidefj=E4ll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se >25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org >26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org >27 Conny Fornb=E4ck conny.annica@wineasy.se >28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se >29 Thomas Weckert tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de >30 Christoph Soltmannowski soltoc@dial.eunet.ch >31 Jules Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk >32 EDUARDO MONTEIRO (BRASIL) 97fm@colatina.com.br 33 Wenche Aune wencheok@online.no You asked for more girls on the list Dolf! Well I'm taking my girlfriend with me, so I guess there are three girls now! Morten. - - Synthetic, electronic sound, industrial rythms all around - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 09:35:39 +0200 (MET DST) From: Henrik Brevenius - Sun Sweden Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. > X-Sender: mnmoen@mail.online.no > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. > Mime-Version: 1.0 > X-No-Archive: yes > > > >1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com > >2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de > >3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com > >4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net > >5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net > >6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se > >7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at > >8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl > >9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de > >10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com > >11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de > >12 Morten Moen morten.moen@online.no > >13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl > >14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl > >15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl > >16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl > >17 Maureen Jansen - > >18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl > >19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de > >20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org > >21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se > >22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se > >23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se > >24 Rickard Hidefj=E4ll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se > >25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org > >26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org > >27 Conny Fornb=E4ck conny.annica@wineasy.se > >28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se > >29 Thomas Weckert tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de > >30 Christoph Soltmannowski soltoc@dial.eunet.ch > >31 Jules Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk > >32 EDUARDO MONTEIRO (BRASIL) 97fm@colatina.com.br > > 33 Wenche Aune wencheok@online.no 34 Henrik Brevenius henrik.brevenius@sweden.sun.com I'll be there! I'm new to the list but a long time KW fan. /Henrik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 09:56:27 +0100 From: DHOLTON@derwent.co.uk Subject: (kw) Slightly off subject Someone mentioned Tuxedomoon a couple of weeks ago .In the same vein does anyone have anything by CHrome (e.g. Half Machine Lip Moves) or This Heat. These are two weird bands but I'd like to have some on tape.I remember being moved by This Heat playing "Drowning in Cambodia" on a John Peel session. In return I have "Ultra Rare Tracks" or "Live in Japan" or 12"Tour De France - 2 versions one French that I could tape. I also have the luminous 12" Neon Lights with the model and TEE on the B side - I'm thinking of selling this any offers? Incidentally this was the second ever luminous vinyl reord (so I was told) Anyone know the first - [Brain Teaser] Dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:19:11 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Flock Rockin Beats Good Morning Everyone, Well as promised I watched and recorded the review of Tribal Gathering '97 last night. I have to say that I did not expect too much as the show was only half an hour long! There was a brief mention of KW about half way through, but the interesting point was the interview with KW's manager, a Scumeck Sabottka. KW's UK Manager was also present, Emma Banks. They spoke about the problems they initially encountered whilst setting up the equipment with a leaking tent and power failure, but were happy that everything will go to plan. There was a ten second clip of the KW gig, but the camera was focused on the audience all the time and the track was very hard to make out, it sounded like Radioactivity. One of the TG organisers said that KW had made specific instructions that no film crews were allowed into the tent to film the show, and that they had laid on extra security to police this tent to stop any filming. Othe than that, there was nothing else relating to KW. I am interested in the people they interviewed though, as I was not aware of the KW's Manager's name! I think I will try out an e:mail search on these names to see what I can come up with. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:23:14 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) CMJ electronica concert--off topic Has anyone heard the Armand Van Heldon remix of the Sneaker Pimps tune 'Spin Spin Sugar'? I have it on a white label, wicked stuff, but not everyones choice! Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:40:26 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Robotics There has been mention of late concerning the design of Robots on the list, I have not mentioned it before but I do know someone who designs Robots for a living. He is very hard to get hold of as he is often travelling the world with his work earning major money! I don't even know where he is at the moment, but if any of you have any specific questions e:mail me and I will try and contact him. I am not promising anything though! I mentioned recently that I got hold of a promo of a Mouse on Mars 12 inch. I have listened to it and my conclusions are not positive, if anyone is interested let me know as I am willing to sell it. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 13:24:07 +0200 From: Mario Laros Subject: (kw) Guests at Karlsruhe Gig Hello, Does anybody know who the "G=E4ste" will be on the Karsruhe Gig, and if these guests will have their own performance or if they will perform toghether with KW? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 13:42:44 +0200 From: Olf Ranthiz Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update additions: please update your mail before adding your name to be sure you add it to the latest version. 1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com 2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de 3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com 4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net 5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net 6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se 7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at 8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl 9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de 10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com 11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de 12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no 13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl 14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl 15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl 16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl 17 Maureen Jansen - 18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl 19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de 20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org 21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se 22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se 23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se 24 Rickard Hidefj=E4ll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se 25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org 26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org 27 Conny Fornb=E4ck conny.annica@wineasy.se 28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se =20 29 Olf Ranthiz tf@ibt.etec.uni-karlsruhe.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 14:11:18 +0200 From: Olf Ranthiz Subject: (kw) To all Karlsruhe traveller I could offer some sleeping opportunities in my apartment which is near to the location where the concert takes place. - -- take care tf ************************************************************* "Drinking and smoking are bad for the health" -Charles Bukowski # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:14:20 +0100 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) GASP....10,000... >I thought the suits were a cool idea=2E Reminds me of Tron in some ways=2E JBV wrote: >EXACTLY ! >And this is stuff from 15 years ago ! - --------------------------------------------------------------- According to the information I got, the radio was invented a few years befo= re K=2EW=2E made "radioactivity", a record where they sing a lot about radios, antennas and madame Curie (an old lady who discovered radioactivity years before K=2EW=2E sung about it) and I don=B4t think the train was invented w= ith help from the lyrics of T=2EE=2EE=2E=2E=2E=2E Some people on this list don=B4t understand shit about the KW genious!!! /JOHAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 16:45:08 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) GASP....10,000... johan.andersson wrote : >Some people on this list don´t understand shit about the KW genious!!! Sure, man. And some other people on this list should wear glasses and take reading lessons in order to understand postings properly... bye - jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:46:54 +0900 From: FUMIAKI.HOKARI@hakuhodo.co.jp Subject: Re: (kw) He is a robot! FUMIAKI HOKARI@HAKUHODO 97-09-08 14:46 For all kraftwerk kids! >>> >He is a robot! >>> > >>> > >>> >http://www.honda.co.jp/tech/other/robot.html >> >>hello .jp fellows and thanks for the link! could you give a >>translation of the text, if you think is relevant, because I only see >>a lot of strange characters (not that I can read ideograms anyway... >:-) ). >Why don't you go this english-page as below? :-) >http://www.honda.co.jp/home/hpr/e_news/robot/index.html Hello, Luca, Jose, I'm sorry for my kindless... and thank you, for your support. SAKURA! arigato! HOKARI FUMIAKI Tokyo,JAPAN P.S. I guess he has no air-bags... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Sep 1997 16:08:40 U From: MLT Info Subject: (kw) Komputer live Subject: Time: 4:06 pm OFFICE MEMO Komputer live Date: 8/9/97 Komputer will be performing live at Komische, Upstairs At The Garage (Highbury Corner, London N5) on Saturday 11 October. Cheers! Janet MLT http://www.mutelibtech.com/mute/ FTP or telnet to mutelibtech.com Artist enquiries & mailing list admin: Mail order: # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 21:17:09 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Old vibrations My beloved list fellows, I'm presently cleaning my house before moving, and I just came across two (2) long (long !) interviews given by R&F to french magazine Rock & Folk in nov. 76 and in summer 81 (during the CW tour). If anyone is interested, i should be able to translate & post them within the next couple of weeks, unless it's been done before (Klaus ?). Shortly : a few things caught my attention. 1- Ralf repeating several times "we have nothing to do with rock n' roll and with America. We're not interested in America." (for those who wonder when they're planing to play over there...) 2- the many similarities between that 81 interview and some interviews given by Ralf in 91 during the Mix tour 3- the most funny : Ralf saying in 81 something like "thanks to the new improvements of the KK studio, we are now able to compose and produce one single every day". !!!!!!!!!! good night - jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 21:21:07 +0100 From: David Barnard Subject: FW: (kw) Slightly off subject >---------- >> Incidentally this was the second ever luminous vinyl reord (so I was > > told) Anyone know the first - [Brain Teaser] > Was it "Yellow Dog"; Just One More Night >David Barnard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:41:12 -0700 (PDT) From: stephenv@sirius.com (stephen vesecky) Subject: (kw) nice melodies as far as my interest in kraftwerk goes, i find that the pop element (melodies!) is what makes them something special. i mean, they could have stuck to doing strange avant garde type music, experimenting with sounds, etc, and stayed in the realm of a cult group (which i suppose they are, i shouldn't try and fool myself). but they chose to do something which was even more experimental and bizarre: mixing stockhausen with bubblegum pop. i mean, i like "homecomputer" and "music non stop" but my favorites are still "the model" and "computer love". maybe i should stick to listening to cheesball pop music. stephen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:35:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) GASP....10,000... On Mon, 8 Sep 1997 johan.andersson@allers.aller.se wrote: > >I thought the suits were a cool idea. Reminds me of Tron in some ways. > >EXACTLY ! > >And this is stuff from 15 years ago ! >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------- > According to the information I got, the radio was invented a few years be= fore > K.W. made "radioactivity",=20 A few years? Try a few decades! > a record where they sing a lot about radios, > antennas and madame Curie (an old lady who discovered radioactivity years > before K.W. sung about it) They also sang about radioactivity itself. > and I don=B4t think the train was invented with help > from the lyrics of T.E.E.... It would be interesting if it had been. That would make KW precognitive.=20 They could have patented the train and made loads of money. > Some people on this list don=B4t understand shit about the KW genious!!! Enlighten us. Oh please do go on... /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously=20 * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:38:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Old vibrations On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, jbv wrote: > 3- the most funny : Ralf saying in 81 something like "thanks to the > new improvements of the KK studio, we are now able to compose and > produce one single every day". !!!!!!!!!! If R&F ever die, I hope someone makes their studio into a museum or a shrine. I'd make a pingrimmage to see it every few years. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 22:52:26 GMT From: janovefu@eunet.no (Jan Ove Furesund) Subject: Re: (kw) Delayed "End of Violence" On Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:20:42 +0000, Klaus Zaepke wrote: >The premiere of Wim Wenders' new movie "The End of Violence", which=20 >apparently features a new piece of Kraftwerk music in the soundtrack, = has=20 >been put back until November 27th, in Germany at least. Today I received an answer from MGM regarding my question if there will be a new song by KW on the soundtrack to "The end of violence". The answer is (surprisingly!) a NO!, but of course we already knew that... If it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger.. ..so i guess KW-fans can be compared to Superman or whoever your heros are! Still waiting after all these years Jan Ove Furesund=20 - --=20 http://login.eunet.no/~janovefu/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 00:51:20 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re : (kw) old vibrations Since thousands of you asked for it, here is the translation of the 81 interview. Sorry for the typos. jbv - --------------------------------------------------------------------- This interview was published in issue 178 (nov 81) of french magazine Rock & Folk, and was made in summer 81 during the Computer World tour. The article begins with various infor on the new album and the tour. An interesting part is the quoting of one of the roadies : “These guys certainly make the most artificial music, but they are the most human people I ever met. They refused to take their dinner in their box, and they asked for permission to eat with the whole crew. Don’t forget to write this in your magazin, man : the most human people I’ve seen in the whole music bizness !” - -------------------------------- KLING KLANG Q : Why was the released of “Computer World” delayed for so long ? A: It took a lot of work to make the Kling Kland Studio transportable, to really stage it, to put it into situation. All the parts are connected, it’s a new conception of Kraftwerk : before it was studio + live, now it’s live studio, we play the studio on stage. We thought it could be done rather fast, but it became more and more radical, we had to change everything, it took 3 years non-stop to fine tune everything. We worked on musical compositions simultaneously, because we do everything by ourselves. We are not musicians, we are rather scientists. Kraftwerk is not chords and numbers, but rather a realistic concept to transpose ideas to their maximum. Ideas came to us as we were working. The identity of “Computer World”, the mecanics of instruments and the psychological side of sound and music, are the two concepts that lead to the fact that we don’t have Kraftwerk anymore, but Kraftwerk and Kling Klang together. Q : Apart from the 4 of you, what does Kling Klang represent ? A : It represents also two engineers who are always with us, a sound engineer and a video engineer, since we also produce videos, plus the computer programs and the computer graphics. So we are six, plus the crew for the sound system. In july / august we’ll be touring in the States, and in september in Japan, Budapest, Warsaw, Prague, and in DDR in august too. A few years ago, we played in an italian TV program which was broadcasted in intervision for the first time behind the Iron Curtain. As a band from capitalist Germany, it was impossible to make contacts in the East, that’s why this contact was established through Italy. And since, we’ve got informations about our records being available on the black market in Eastern Europe. Then we are quite more interested to play over there than to play for the third time in Chicago. We are not concerned with America. Q : With this new album, you don’t really bring any new esthetical concept like in the previous ones. The image of showroom dummies is the same as on “Man Machine”. A : The computers are new, the computerized side. Q : What do you think of the english and french bands who clearly got inspired by you ? A : In 1975, we were very lonely. Everyone was in a californian trip : hippie, Eagles, etc. Kraftwerk has been attacked many times, especially in England. They were against us because we represented the end of this guitar music, we were a threat for their californian dream. The new pretenders of industrial music cheered us up, for we were questioning our own work sometimes. But the music is different, because we have a teutonic rythmic, really germanic. Q : Let’s talk about your interest for miniature instruments and gadget music. A : Our studio is very compact : it fits into 10 cases only. We use only one truck, which is very little compared to standard rock. We are attracted by small devices, small calculators. It’s certainly the way to go. Q : Do you feel that you belong to the world of rock n’ roll ? A : No. Psychologically, we are outside that trip. We’re more interested by the work side of it : change the music, looking for the sound, every day, and open the doors of the studio to the people. It’s only a coincidence if we’re touring like a rock band. As for the music, it’s rather electronic funk than rock n’ roll. Q : Is there any communication problem between what you are and the environment in which you’re evolving ? Your roadies, for instance, feature all the signs of their ethnic group : long hair, Ted Nugent T-shirts, stomachs full of beer... A : Yes, we are in the desert. Concrete, metal, lights, it’s an exile, an exile-tour. But we’re used to that as we live in Dusseldorf, on the Rhine river, a totally industrial and bureaucratic place, administrations, glass, offices. We are used to live in exile, with only a few friends around us. Friends and technicians. Q : The fact that you go on a world tour, and therefore to be in contact with people who think in a different way that yours, is it a way to make Kraftwerk music less picky ? A : Actually we find some energy in the environment of people who come to see us and who make us play in another dimension and at a higher psychological level, because of a certain tension, different from the studio, and in which we are interested. At the studio there is no phone, we are locked. Here, it’s the travel side, the open side, a rather anarchic situation. We are also going to play in South of Asia to see what it brings to our music : we are open to any vibrations that could change our music. Q : Are you still adepts of the “cold aesthetics” ? The look you brought with “Man Machine” has been adopted by every modern young men : sharp look, interest in a scientific future, etc. A : We went very far in the cold metal, it’s a reflex from our industrial life. The dummies are better than us in making photo sessions without sweating under the spotlights, without blinking, they are more patient. We went even further in the computer thing. After the physical attitudes of Man Machine, we are interested in the psychological side. At a time we were very static, and for us it’s important to go beyond that. But it’s not over yet, I couldn’t tell where it’s going. The fact of playing in front of an audience implies that our music is not a magnetic product anymore, it’s a situation open to improvisation. And the sensibility of the devices we created leads us to a new sensibility. TRIANGLE Q : You mentioned your interest for ethnic musics. Are you playing the ethnic music of the Ruhr ? A : Absolutely, that’s what we are saying. It’s a reflex from our german life in the Ruhr. And I don’t think our music could be born elsewhere. It can’t be done in Munchen. We are genetically programmed for that social behaviour. We work in a factory. What Kraftwerk represents is a sound factory that manufactures sounds, and the way we define our existence is the life of sound workers. We don’t need any training in another factory or another production unit to assimilate all the essence of the Ruhr. Q : Do you work freely ? A : No ! We have very strict daily schedules. As soon as several people are involved, we need to be organized. It’s also the follow-up of “robot” which means “worker” in russian. Kraftwerk is not only the vision of an artist, an industrial fantasy. For us, it’s a daily reality, a work for several years with reproductive machines. Q : Don’t you think you have lost the germanic romantic side of pieces like “Autobahn” or “TEE”, this huge breath from the nineteen century, which could be heard under the synthetic rigour ? A : This album represents a very special period of time for us, a programed era on which we keep working. We have other parallel musical creations which are still in progress and will come out of us later. But now we are in a “media” trip and we have to do what is the most actual for us. What did interest us mostly was the energic, rythmic side. “Man Machine” was very physical. Now we’re trying to be more strict in the concept of programing. It’s difficult for me to explain the differences between our albums. When “Man Machine” was released, I even didn’t know what it was. We only had to do it. While working on this idea of a studio to be more productive, in the same research of computerization, this new album became obvious for us : that’s what we had to do. Perhaps can we go even further with the next album. We were talking about the Talking Heads who adapt a part of black music because they certainly had the feeling that the rock music that they represent is not enough for their dynamic. As for Kraftwerk, the dynamic comes from the machines, we don’t have any other source. If you live in America, there’s a melting pot of cultures. In Paris too. In Dusseldorf, there’s nothing. No source for us. Only concrete. Q : But you have a classical european culture anyway ? A : Yes, certainly, but for us the “fathers” don’t exist. The revival culture has no interest for us. We’ve been shaped by a certain germanism, especially musical, but it represents a specific control to erase in order to escape. The only source of exchanges we have is between the four of us, and with the engineers, as we work with the machines. There’s no living german music. Even classical music is a mechanic, a mechanical organism. For us, the essence of this music is a magnetic tape played by people. In America however, there’s a culture of living music. Q : Muzak in western soundscape is also a form of ethnic music. Would you like to compose music for lifts, restaurants and supermarkets ? A : No. We rather listen to the lifts themselves, and not to a philistine product which acts as valium, a drug for the control of the system. What we are interested in, is the own sound of a supermarket or a lift, sounds with their own nature. We are not concerned with “music for airports” : people must open their ears and they will find out. That’s what we did with “Autobahn”. It’s more important to open up than to dominate. Music by itself is not interesting. CONCRETE Q : But you hope, at least, that people listen closely to your music ? A : Yes, but we don’t have to decide how to listen to our music. Not being dominated by music is also one of our problems, because if we work in that field, music in the morning, music in the afternoon, music in the evening... all the context gets lost. After 10 hours in the studio, sensations become dull. That’s why being all the time in the studio, or touring all the time don’t lead anywhere. The session musicians are so pale ! We do everything by ourselves, videos, sleeves & graphics, it’s like a mosaic which leads to the productivity of Kraftwerk, but it doesn’t represent one field only. In Germany, it is called “Gesankt Kunstwerk”. That’s what Wagner was doing in his time with theater and music, but that was a bit too much. Q : In the logic of Computer World, don’t you think you should “clone” the production : lots of records quickly delivered ? A : It’s true that computer means speed. And this album took three years to be completed. It’s because it’s quite new for us. We had to learn the language of the computers. The album, in fact, has been made vey fast. We had to forget everything : our way of playing, of thinking musically, and to learn new data. That’s why it took so long. But once it works, everything goes very fast. Q : This new way of working could allow the release of several singles a year, for instance ? A : And even several singles a day ! But it’s been quite hard for us to reach that point. We had to adapt our previous music to be able to play it live. We play all the songs since “Autobahn”, it’s a kind of trip backwards in time. Q : Are you planing to keep working alone, or do you intend to share your work with other artists ? A : May be. Until now, we were busy with the development of our instrument, and therefore it wasn’t possible. The other factor is that everything we have is customized. We cannot bring an english person into our system. It’s impossible. Some people asked to be produced by us, but the Kling Kland studio is really customized for us, even on a physical level : we all have the same size of clothes, except for Karl whose shoe size is 44 ! The whole system is really dedicated to Kraftwerk : custom computer and the like. After the tour, we’ll see. Until then, we were always in the same direction. This time, we tour around the world, we’ll come back to Dusseldorf from the other side, and we’ll see what kind of experiences we’ll bring back. Q : But could you, in Japan for instance, accept a musical collaboration with musicians from another universe ? A : Yes, we can do an album every afternoon : the only thing to do is press a red button and it is recording ! Technically, everything is set up for productivity. That’s what we’re interested in, to go further in productivity. That’s why we are interested in automatisms : they make some automatic music, while we rather make a music with a psychological sensibility. That’s what Kraftwerk is about, I think. Otherwise, we could make shows with the 4 dummies and a tape machine. We had been thinking of that kind of concept, some time ago : to make concerts simultaneously in Paris, New York, Tokyo... But now, we are interested in exchange. We’re taking an audio-visual postcard of Dusseldorf throughout the world. We first have to use that postcard in order to go further. I think that regular rock music is very pretentious : people say “it’s a personnal vision of Bruce Springsteen” or anybody else, when in fact they are only puppets, postcards. I think Kraftwerk represents the realistic side of this postcard. Q : During this tour, will you be on your own, or are you going to open up to the people you’ll visit ? A : We always go out, we always go to night clubs anywhere. We spend a lot of time on the streets. Kraftwerk is concrete, and concrete is on the streets. We are not concerned with the american dream : villas, swimming pools, drivers... We drive our car by ourselves. We don’t need a picky crew around us. It is very childish to prove than one can afford some materailistc things. It’s too American. - --------------- The article ends up with various bio and musical considerations, and this last sentence : I woke up that morning, and my body left me. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk Digest V3 #137 ******************************* To subscribe to kraftwerk Digest, send the command: subscribe kraftwerk-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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