From: William B Riker <75507.267@compuserve.com> Subject: M_Boats: Sails Date: 01 Jan 1999 08:34:56 -0500 I still haven't ordered sails. There are more options than I expected. Kern suggests roller furling, at $450, will save me the cost of a storm jib. Of course, it provides convenience and safety as well. Hogin suggests an asynch spinnaker (drifter, genniker) for light weather, but on Lake Erie I feel I'm more likely to need a storm jib than a genniker. The Harken 00 furler that Kern recommends is $761 in the West catalog, so I will have to get back to him on where his $450 comes from. I know the CDI unit is costs about that much. And what about setup? Is a furler practical for a trailer-sailer? How much does it complicate the rigging process? Anyone thinking about going to Sail Expo in Atlantic City on Feb 4 - 7? Bill Riker M15 #184 Storm Petrel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William B Riker <75507.267@compuserve.com> Subject: M_Boats: RE: Shipkiller Date: 01 Jan 1999 08:34:58 -0500 I had been looking for an excuse to try Amazon.com, so after I read the rousing review of "Shipkiller", I logged in. Within 3 minutes I had "ordered" a copy, if they can find one through their used book resources, which could take a couple of weeks. They confirmed my "order" immediately, and will let me know what they find via email, price and condition, before I make the purchase. I'll keep you posted. Bill Riker M15 #184 Storm Petrel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "L. Ingalls" Subject: M_Boats: Amazon Date: 01 Jan 1999 05:59:36 -0800 I have tried Amazon.com once. My wife tried it once. Nothing. Every now and then I'd get a not saying that they were looking. Give Powells a try. They seem to always have what I want. http://www.powells.com/ Lee M15 #326 Puppy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grover & Doris Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sails Date: 01 Jan 1999 10:47:14 -0500 901011042EST Bill: All Furlers are not capable of maintaing a reduction in sail in gale conditions; be sure whatever you get meets your needs BTW: CDI claims to be meet the standard; IM assured me that they used CDI (reduced to a storm sail) successfully on WWP-19s. We have a CDI/Lapper foresail rig; haven`t had the heavy Wx conditions to test the rig but feel fairly certain it will function ok. GL At 08:34 99/01/01 -0500, you wrote: >I still haven't ordered sails.=A0 There are more options than I expected.= =20 >Kern suggests roller furling, at $450, will save me the cost of a storm >jib.=A0 Of course, it provides convenience and safety as well.=A0=A0 Hogin >suggests an asynch spinnaker (drifter, genniker) for light weather, but on >Lake Erie I feel I'm more likely to need a storm jib than a genniker.=A0=20 > >The Harken 00 furler that Kern recommends is $761 in the West catalog, so I >will have to get back to him on where his $450 comes from.=A0 I know the= CDI >unit is costs about that much.=A0=A0 And what about setup?=A0 Is a furler >practical for a trailer-sailer?=A0 How much does it complicate the rigging >process? > >Anyone thinking about going to Sail Expo in Atlantic City on Feb 4 - 7?=A0= =20 > >Bill Riker >M15 #184 >Storm Petrel >=20 Grover ** Doris Tolliver KQ4AL ** KE44CYE SM/DA ** CAPT/NAV SV HA`PENNY WWP-19 #965 out of Cole`s Pt. Plantation Marina - Cole`s Pt., Va=20 =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bownez@juno.com (Michael L Bowden) Subject: M_Boats: CD25D Date: 01 Jan 1999 15:26:22 -0600 Dave, Thanks for the insight of the CD25D. I am happy to hear of your sucessful fight against the big C. Smooth sailing to you. Michael "Bones" Bowden ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Haas Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sails Date: 01 Jan 1999 17:52:16 -0800 I put a CDI furler on my M-15 this year and recommend it highly. I had my genoa modified to work with the furler so going from full genny to a small jib takes seconds, and no one has to go forward. Maybe its just me, but the M15 seems to behave better with less foresail when the winds kick up at all. It requires some modification to the forestay and my rigger suggested replacing all the standing rigging since it appeared to be original equipment. The total for all was about $65. CDI recommends having a swivel at each end of the forestay, so I made the following modifications. Add a "dog leg" to the existing thru bolt where the side shrouds attach. (I don't know if that's the official name for the thing or not, I look for my West catalog and find out) The upper swivel attaches to the dogleg with a shackle pin and split ring. The furler drum attaches to the bow fitting like the old forestay. With this arrangement I can rig either the furler or the original set up. I take the hanked jib and original forestay with me, although I haven't ever used it. The only problem I had during installation was with the top fitting on the furler hitting the mast as it rotated. The angle on the M15 forestay is quite small so I may have lost a inch of hoist overall so it wouldn't touch. Rigging for launch takes an additional 10 minutes or so, and a little more time at the end of the day. I trailer with the furler completely off the mast. The assembly is almost exactly as long as the outside curve of the boat, so it lays neatly along curve of the toe rail, securely attached to the bow pulpit, shrouds and rear cleat. It . My wife made a padded cover that protects the drum from gunk while we are on the road. Hope this helps. Don Haas M15-248, Dream Catcher ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ William B Riker wrote: > I still haven't ordered sails. There are more options than I expected. > Kern suggests roller furling, at $450, will save me the cost of a storm > jib. Of course, it provides convenience and safety as well. Hogin > suggests an asynch spinnaker (drifter, genniker) for light weather, but on > Lake Erie I feel I'm more likely to need a storm jib than a genniker. > > The Harken 00 furler that Kern recommends is $761 in the West catalog, so I > will have to get back to him on where his $450 comes from. I know the CDI > unit is costs about that much. And what about setup? Is a furler > practical for a trailer-sailer? How much does it complicate the rigging > process? > > Anyone thinking about going to Sail Expo in Atlantic City on Feb 4 - 7? > > Bill Riker > M15 #184 > Storm Petrel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Haas Subject: Re: M_Boats: Amazon Date: 01 Jan 1999 17:58:48 -0800 Better yet, go to Powells. Unlike Amazon it's a actual book store. I have spent many happy hours there, browsing in real time. Don Haas, M15-248 Dream Catcher "L. Ingalls" wrote: > I have tried Amazon.com once. My wife tried it once. Nothing. Every now > and then I'd get a not saying that they were looking. > Give Powells a try. They seem to always have what I want. > > http://www.powells.com/ > Lee > M15 #326 > Puppy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harvey Wilson Subject: Re: M_Boats: Canyon Lake Date: 02 Jan 1999 00:18:32 -0500 Hi Dave.. Can't blame him for wanting a M-23.. it sails differently, and more responsively, then a CD-25D. If the Admiral ever lets me get a larger boat (can't let Stargazer go!!),= the M-23 would be my first choice, with 2nd place shared by the CD-25D an= d the Ericson 25+. The 25+ would have the edge, since I've sailed in one, and prefer the fin= keel to the full keel of the CD's. We sailed the CD-19 (Typhoon) 7-8 times in our sailing club, along with Capri 22's, and the feel is quite different. The Dory always took much longer to do a turn or respond to the helm. Do you remember what the hull number of the CD-25D was ?? Harvey/ Ga M-17 Stargazer #294 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David & Nancy Phippeny Subject: Re: M_Boats: Canyon Lake Date: 02 Jan 1999 08:27:47 -0600 Harvey Wilson wrote: > > Hi Dave.. > > Can't blame him for wanting a M-23.. it sails differently, and more > responsively, then a CD-25D. > > If the Admiral ever lets me get a larger boat (can't let Stargazer go!!), > the M-23 would be my first choice, with 2nd place shared by the CD-25D and > the Ericson 25+. > The 25+ would have the edge, since I've sailed in one, and prefer the fin > keel to the full keel of the CD's. > > We sailed the CD-19 (Typhoon) 7-8 times in our sailing club, along with > Capri 22's, and the feel is quite different. The Dory always took much > longer to do a turn or respond to the helm. > > Do you remember what the hull number of the CD-25D was ?? > > Harvey/ Ga > > M-17 Stargazer #294 Hi Harvey, I think it was 148. The 25D did do well for me when the lake got rough. Instead of bouncing around it just went through lake waves very comfortably. Have not had much experience with other boats. My first was a M15. Had it a few months then went to the 25D. It was very easy to handle with my short experience. Dave, M17 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Fell Subject: Re: M_Boats: Amazon Date: 02 Jan 1999 21:22:19 -0800 Don Haas wrote: > > Better yet, go to Powells. Unlike Amazon it's a actual book store. I have > spent many happy hours there, browsing in real time. > > Don Haas, > M15-248 > Dream Catcher > > "L. Ingalls" wrote: > > > I have tried Amazon.com once. My wife tried it once. Nothing. Every now > > and then I'd get a not saying that they were looking. > > Give Powells a try. They seem to always have what I want. > > > > http://www.powells.com/ > > Lee > > M15 #326 > > PuppyI've had good luck at both Amazon and Powells on line bookstores. Keep trying, you will succeed. John Fell M-15 #126 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vaughn.Austring@MSB.Mat-Su.k12.ak.us (Vaughn Austring) Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sails Date: 02 Jan 1999 20:50:14 +0100 Don Haas wrote: > > Add a "dog leg" to the existing thru bolt where the side shrouds attach. (I > don't know if that's the official name for the thing or not, I look for my West > catalog and find out) Is mast "hound" the term you're looking for? I used one on my M-17 to add a stays'l, which, by the way, seems to increase performance off the wind (no closer than a beam reach), and her looks (not that she needs any help in that department). Vaughn M17 Jonquille, Big Lake, AK ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Weir Subject: RE: M_Boats: Sails Date: 04 Jan 1999 07:30:00 -0600 Gentlemen, I own a M-17 and added a CDI furler last year at a cost of a few pennies over $500. It fit over the existing forestay with no modifications and the cost included modifing the existing genoa (with Sunbrella cover). It was a breeze to install though the instructions were minimal. I cannot immagine paying $700 for a furler for a M-15 with a hanky for a jib. Just kidding M-15er's!! Oh yeah, I purchased my CDI from JSI (formally Johnson Sails Inc.) out of Florida. They are on the internet and the sailmaker I dealt with was Sandy, a great job and so easy to handle the boat now. Brian, M-17 "Peeper" -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, January 01, 1999 7:52 PM I put a CDI furler on my M-15 this year and recommend it highly. I had my genoa modified to work with the furler so going from full genny to a small jib takes seconds, and no one has to go forward. Maybe its just me, but the M15 seems to behave better with less foresail when the winds kick up at all. It requires some modification to the forestay and my rigger suggested replacing all the standing rigging since it appeared to be original equipment. The total for all was about $65. CDI recommends having a swivel at each end of the forestay, so I made the following modifications. Add a "dog leg" to the existing thru bolt where the side shrouds attach. (I don't know if that's the official name for the thing or not, I look for my West catalog and find out) The upper swivel attaches to the dogleg with a shackle pin and split ring. The furler drum attaches to the bow fitting like the old forestay. With this arrangement I can rig either the furler or the original set up. I take the hanked jib and original forestay with me, although I haven't ever used it. The only problem I had during installation was with the top fitting on the furler hitting the mast as it rotated. The angle on the M15 forestay is quite small so I may have lost a inch of hoist overall so it wouldn't touch. Rigging for launch takes an additional 10 minutes or so, and a little more time at the end of the day. I trailer with the furler completely off the mast. The assembly is almost exactly as long as the outside curve of the boat, so it lays neatly along curve of the toe rail, securely attached to the bow pulpit, shrouds and rear cleat. It . My wife made a padded cover that protects the drum from gunk while we are on the road. Hope this helps. Don Haas M15-248, Dream Catcher ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ William B Riker wrote: > I still haven't ordered sails. There are more options than I expected. > Kern suggests roller furling, at $450, will save me the cost of a storm > jib. Of course, it provides convenience and safety as well. Hogin > suggests an asynch spinnaker (drifter, genniker) for light weather, but on > Lake Erie I feel I'm more likely to need a storm jib than a genniker. > > The Harken 00 furler that Kern recommends is $761 in the West catalog, so I > will have to get back to him on where his $450 comes from. I know the CDI > unit is costs about that much. And what about setup? Is a furler > practical for a trailer-sailer? How much does it complicate the rigging > process? > > Anyone thinking about going to Sail Expo in Atlantic City on Feb 4 - 7? > > Bill Riker > M15 #184 > Storm Petrel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Weir Subject: RE: M_Boats: Date: 04 Jan 1999 07:40:40 -0600 See, He is a great guy, just like I said!! Thanks Larry, you have renewed the faith!! -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, December 31, 1998 10:44 PM OK I MIGHT be persuaded to send a copy to be read......and returned.....to those with a qualified library card...... Proper collateral will be required......with a note from your mother......Larry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rc2222@pacbell.net Subject: M_Boats: Gennaker Date: 04 Jan 1999 09:27:30 -0800 The Gennaker is a great addition to your sail inventory on the M15, with or without a furler. It doesn't require the use of the fore stay. It's easy to set and can be taken down with no problem while single handling. Mine is only 128 sq. ft., an once and a half and beautiful. I use it with and without the main. I particularly like it on long reaches of several miles in winds of 1 to 7 knots. In fact, I'm on my way to launch at the Port of Redwood City. There's a slight southeast breeze of 2 -3 knots. I plan on using the gennaker to get me as close to the San Mateo Bridge as time permits before it changes to a northwest. It's partly cloudy and we expect temperatures to reach 60+ degrees. The jib is hanked on and ready to go should I need to douse the gennaker. I purchased mine from Hogin Sails three years ago. Don't leave home without it! Rich Cottrell M15 Really ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy_Watkins@odp.tamu.edu Subject: Re: M_Boats: Gennaker Date: 04 Jan 1999 13:40:08 CST Rich, did you have your sail made or did it come with your boat? I have a storm jib on my list next but perhaps a Gennaker after that. Regards, Randy Watkins M15#194 "Crystal Sea" ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Author: montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com at #Internet The Gennaker is a great addition to your sail inventory on the M15, with or without a furler. It doesn't require the use of the fore stay. It's easy to set and can be taken down with no problem while single handling. Mine is only 128 sq. ft., an once and a half and beautiful. I use it with and without the main. I particularly like it on long reaches of several miles in winds of 1 to 7 knots. In fact, I'm on my way to launch at the Port of Redwood City. There's a slight southeast breeze of 2 -3 knots. I plan on using the gennaker to get me as close to the San Mateo Bridge as time permits before it changes to a northwest. It's partly cloudy and we expect temperatures to reach 60+ degrees. The jib is hanked on and ready to go should I need to douse the gennaker. I purchased mine from Hogin Sails three years ago. Don't leave home without it! Rich Cottrell M15 Really ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Kidd" Subject: Re: M_Boats: Gennaker Date: 04 Jan 1999 15:27:52 -0800 Rich, Tell me more about the gennaker on your M-15. How does it set? Do you have to use a spinnaker pole? Can it be used on all points of sail? Where did you get it? Price? I am in the process of getting a quote on a multi-color 150% genoa from Larsen Sails in Santa Cruz. Would the gennaker be a better choice? At present, I have just the stock working jib (Jerry said it is 133%) and a small storm jib. Hope your sail out of Redwood City was a good one. I always enjoyed sailing the south bay. I soon got tired of the long channel and congestion at Redwood City, however, and launched in San Mateo at Coyote Point (where I eventually kept my boat in a slip.) I had a great daysail out of Berkeley on a J-28 in September. Bright sun and all the wind we could handle. If this nice weather holds, I may take Poco for a romp on Lake Don Pedro later this week. Joe Kidd M-15 #207 "Poco A Poco" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rc2222@pacbell.net Subject: M_Boats: Jibs and more jibs Date: 04 Jan 1999 15:42:01 -0800 Randy: I had the gennaker made for, I believe, somewhere around $ 380.. I had a storm jib (24 sq, ft), 6.6 ounce, made by Potomac Sails for approximately $ 120. A mini storm jib of 10 sq. ft. came with the boat. It was made by Kern Sails. In addition, Hogin made a 60 sq. ft. - $ 300 genoa, and a 4.4 ounce, 36 sq. ft., jib, for $ 150. I also have a great spinnaker of 144 sq. ft., which I had made by the Spinnaker Shop in Palo Alto- approx $ 400. It was made for my Capri 14, which is almost the identical rig of the M15. Can you believe so many sails for such a little boat? It drives my family nuts when I bring all the jibs, gennaker and spinnaker into the living room and spread them across the floor just to them that sailing is very technical. Now I'm in the market for a new main and jib. Rich ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy_Watkins@odp.tamu.edu Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jibs and more jibs Date: 04 Jan 1999 21:37:02 CST Rich, Thanks for the good info, one more reason why I enjoy this list. I've been checking with a sail loft in Houston ( C&C ) and their pricing for a stotm jib was around $150, seems reasonable. Best Regards, Randy W. _______________________ Reply Separator _______________________ Author: montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com at #Internet Randy: I had the gennaker made for, I believe, somewhere around $ 380.. I had a storm jib (24 sq, ft), 6.6 ounce, made by Potomac Sails for approximately $ 120. A mini storm jib of 10 sq. ft. came with the boat. It was made by Kern Sails. In addition, Hogin made a 60 sq. ft. - $ 300 genoa, and a 4.4 ounce, 36 sq. ft., jib, for $ 150. I also have a great spinnaker of 144 sq. ft., which I had made by the Spinnaker Shop in Palo Alto- approx $ 400. It was made for my Capri 14, which is almost the identical rig of the M15. Can you believe so many sails for such a little boat? It drives my family nuts when I bring all the jibs, gennaker and spinnaker into the living room and spread them across the floor just to them that sailing is very technical. Now I'm in the market for a new main and jib. Rich ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy_Watkins@odp.tamu.edu Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jibs and more jibs Date: 04 Jan 1999 21:37:02 CST Rich, Thanks for the good info, one more reason why I enjoy this list. I've been checking with a sail loft in Houston ( C&C ) and their pricing for a stotm jib was around $150, seems reasonable. Best Regards, Randy W. _______________________ Reply Separator _______________________ Author: montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com at #Internet Randy: I had the gennaker made for, I believe, somewhere around $ 380.. I had a storm jib (24 sq, ft), 6.6 ounce, made by Potomac Sails for approximately $ 120. A mini storm jib of 10 sq. ft. came with the boat. It was made by Kern Sails. In addition, Hogin made a 60 sq. ft. - $ 300 genoa, and a 4.4 ounce, 36 sq. ft., jib, for $ 150. I also have a great spinnaker of 144 sq. ft., which I had made by the Spinnaker Shop in Palo Alto- approx $ 400. It was made for my Capri 14, which is almost the identical rig of the M15. Can you believe so many sails for such a little boat? It drives my family nuts when I bring all the jibs, gennaker and spinnaker into the living room and spread them across the floor just to them that sailing is very technical. Now I'm in the market for a new main and jib. Rich ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rc2222@pacbell.net Subject: M_Boats: Gennaker Date: 05 Jan 1999 11:21:27 -0800 Captain Kidd: In my opinion the Gennaker and the Genoa serve different functions. Although the Gennaker is advertised to go as much as 45 degrees to weather, the Genoa does a better job on a close reach. The Gennaker requires additional preparation. It=92s not worth the hassle to set the Gennaker unless you plan to fly it for some time. You can use a spinnaker or whisker pole with the Gennaker but it=92s not needed unless you=92re on a run. It=92s a little tricky to jibe and tack with the Gennaker since you have to run the sheets forward of the forestay. I love the Gennaker because it=92s lots of fun and beautiful. After a little practice it=92s manageable while singlehandling. It=92s really fun to experiment by adjusting the tightness and height of the Luff. Dousing it in an emergency is simple (unlike the Spinnaker). One of the benefits of the M15 is the absence of Spreaders. It makes kite flying so much simpler. Preparation: I run a line from the cockpit through a block at the bow plate and attach the line at the tack of the Gennaker. I attach the spinnaker halyard to the Gennaker head and then attach light sheets to the clew. I stow the Gennaker along the toe rail, inside the lifelines (when sailing on S. F. Bay, I secure the Gennaker with yarn). Off course, all this is done prior to launch. As you know, the winter sailing season on South San Francisco Bay is one of calm winds. A small, 800-pound sailboat combined with a Gennaker can function pretty well in only 2-3 knot winds and 60 degree air temperatures, under clear skies. Rich Cottrell M15 =93Really=94 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Kidd" Subject: Re: M_Boats: Gennaker Date: 05 Jan 1999 15:40:10 -0800 Rich, Thanks for the reply. Since I really need an all-purpose sail and most of my sailing is now done on mountain lakes where the wind can come rushing up the canyons in a hurry, it is quite obvious that I will be choosing a genoa over a gennaker. I received a quote from Larsen Sails and got all choked up from sticker shock. A white 150% genoa for my M-15 will cost $485. The same sail with rainbow colors (which I really wanted) was quoted at $595. I know from experience that Larsen does top quality work, but I suspect I could buy a new mainsail for that price. Maybe I'd better do a little bit more shopping around. I have a brand new main and jib which are much too large to fit Poco. They were in the boat when I bought it, still wrapped as they had come from the sailmaker, but appear to be about the right size for an 18-24 foot boat. The jib is most unusual... it has batten pockets in it. Could it have been designed as a self-tending staysail for a cutter rig? Maybe I can get someone to re-size them or work out a trade. You didn't report on your sail in the south bay. Hope you had a fun outing. Joe Kidd M-15 #207 "Poco a Poco" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SailBabb@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Gennaker Date: 06 Jan 1999 11:17:06 EST I have a M17 and am looking for some one to make me a good main. I would appreciate and information on a good sail maker. Sailbabb (Lionel) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AirEvacLen@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Gennaker Date: 06 Jan 1999 11:36:09 EST Lionel I had a new main made for my M-17 by the Sail Warehouse.........their ad is in the back of sail magazine..........I was VERY pleased......it came with reef points, battens, leech line, tell tails, and a brand new sail bag........ I now own an M-23, and when I'm ready for new sails I'm going back to them. No regrets what-so-ever. And a 2 year guarantee !!!!!!!!!!! Lenny M-23 #003 Sea Horse ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sandyal55@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: M_Boats: Gennaker Date: 06 Jan 1999 18:29:01 EST I had UK make me a new main and was very impressed. The price was much better than North Sails. Sandy UK Sailmakers Home Page ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chbenneck@juno.com (Conbert H Benneck) Subject: M_Boats: Re: Looking for........... Date: 04 Jan 1999 19:40:40 -0500 Lenny, First look at my Yellow Pages and I don't find a Jordan Marine. Will check in the library and see if any Jardan marine are listed down on the shore. Connie ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chbenneck@juno.com (Conbert H Benneck) Subject: Re: M_Boats: Date: 04 Jan 1999 19:45:29 -0500 Harvey, When you finish that book, read, "Ship of Gold in the Deep Blue Sea". It's the story of the discovery, of the vessel off the North Carolina coast, and the way the head of the operatation went about retrieving the gold from the vessel in 8,000 feet of water - invbenting technology that nobody had before, or since! A great read. Connie ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AirEvacLen@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: Looking for........... Date: 07 Jan 1999 09:54:19 EST Connie Are you in Conn.? Jordan Marine Transport is in Mystic, Conn. I'm having them take the motor to Boats Inc. in Niantic for a check out.......they are Yamaha dealers and an authorized service center.......know anything about either them? .................spoke to them on the phone yesterday and they were very cordial...........this time of year they appreciate things like that....I'll let you know how it all turns out......... Thanks for looking.. Lenny M-23#003 Sea Horse ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chbenneck@juno.com (Conbert H Benneck) Subject: M_Boats: Re: Looking for........... Date: 07 Jan 1999 16:53:14 -0500 Lenny Just got back from the library where I found the phone number of Jordan Marine Transport: 1-800-232-0317, but no address. Now you tell me they are in Mystic, after looking in the down-State, Niantic, Madison, New Haven, etc. Glad you found them. Sorry, can't tell you anything about them. Had my big boat on the Mystic River for many a year, but didn't need any boat transportation. However, to judge by the number of big boats (30 footers) I see in back yards, people seem to be tired of the winter storage costs (and the traveling to a marina) and are having their boats hauled home for the winter. After you buy the poppets it might be a good bit cheaper if the hauling distance ins't too great. Connie Glastonbury, Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JAMES STEPHEY Subject: M_Boats: New Sails Date: 07 Jan 1999 23:16:52 I've been seeing lots of discussion on new sails. Good info. I measured the foretriangle on my 17 and came up with following: Max Luff: 22'3" I Dimension: 21'4" J Dimension: 6'7" Does that sound about right? Are these the measurements a sailmaker will need to make a Genoa? Jim Stephey Mistress Montgomery ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AirEvacLen@aol.com Subject: M_Boats: Re:Now you tell me............. Date: 07 Jan 1999 18:51:33 EST Connie Sorry, :>( ...............and you were doing s-o-o-o-o good !!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you for all your efforts, I'll let you know how things turn out.......... BTW......... you know all those big boats? I just got my insurance payment for my 23..................now I wish I had my 17 back..hehe.......oh well,,,,,,,,,,,at least we can sail all year long...........even if it is hotter than you know what in the summer. Happy New Year ( and many more ) Lenny ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AirEvacLen@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats:Sail Measurements Date: 07 Jan 1999 19:13:23 EST Jim That sounds about right.........Jerry M could probably be more exact.......I'm not sure if the original sail makers are still around........I gave all of my invoices to the new owner when I sold the 17..........Nor'Sea Yachts could shed some light as well NOR'SEA Just rmember to stretch them tight when you measure your sails. I tied a short line to a tree and then to the corner of the sail for each measurement. ( A willing first mate will suffice for the tree in some parts of the country,,,,,, (if they don't mind the short line,,,,,,hehe) I found one set of reef points suitable for 25 kt winds with a storm jib hanked on. I had 3 battens, and a rope luff and foot........I believe they were 5/16". Let us know how it comes out. Lenny M-23#003 Sea Horse ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William B Riker <75507.267@compuserve.com> Subject: M_Boats: Gennaker Date: 07 Jan 1999 22:01:04 -0500 Rich, Thanks for the info on your vast sail inventory. The Gennaker really sounds great. Never having used one, I have lots of questions. First, I'm wondering where you sheet it - to the stern cleat? If you don't need to buy, install and step on a genoa track, that would be a plus for the Gennaker. I realize they aren't interchangeable, but I'm only going to spring for one light weather headsail right now. The gennaker seems more versitile, since you can fly it on everything but a beat or close reach. Why do the sheets have to pass outside the forestay? Can't they go through the slot forward of the mast? You say sheets, but why do you need more than a single line, especially if it has to go forward of the forestay? Where does it fly from? 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More accurately it is about the trailer. I told you all the horror story of my early attempts at trying to launch and retrieve the boat. Dennis Farrell took pity on me the last time he brought his M15 to San Diego and called me to show he the trailer extender he had installed. It worked well, so did the modification to the bow stop; he'd lowered it six inches to keep the boat's deck from hanging up on the stop when launching. I had a local shop duplicate this on my trailer, but Dennis had warned that with an eight foot extension there was some sage, so I had a three inch receiver installed to accept a two and a half in extension. Tried it yesterday, worked like a dream! No more rope! Yeah! 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Joe Kidd "Poco a Poco" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bownez@juno.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Gennaker Date: 08 Jan 1999 17:54:59 -0600 Lionel, I had a new main constructed for my M17 last winter. I had a rope luff done instead of slugs, and two reef points added. She works fine, the sailmaker is in Jordan, Minnesota, I'm in Minneapolis. The price was $475.00. I gave him my old main to copy. E-mail me if you need further info. Good luck Michael "Bones" Bowden M17 #92 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bownez@juno.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Perfect Storm Date: 08 Jan 1999 19:04:10 -0600 Doug, Glad you enjoyed the read. The life of a commercial Longllne fisherman on the Grand Banks doesn't sound like any picnic to me. I read another story about "Satori" ( a Westsail 32)on the internet and the account is quite a bit different than that portrayed in "The Perfect Storm". Think spring, my M17 is under 4" of new snow. Later, Michael "Bones" Bowden #92 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David & Nancy Phippeny Subject: Re: M_Boats: Perfect Storm Date: 08 Jan 1999 19:39:52 -0600 bownez@juno.com wrote: > > Doug, > > Glad you enjoyed the read. The life of a commercial Longllne fisherman on > the Grand Banks doesn't sound like any picnic to me. > I read another story about "Satori" ( a Westsail 32)on the internet and > the account is quite a bit different than that portrayed in "The Perfect > Storm". > Think spring, my M17 is under 4" of new snow. > > Later, > > Michael "Bones" Bowden > #92 > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Bones, Here in central Texas it was in high 70's today but had to work wouldn't you know it. Supposed to be cold again tomorrow. Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rc2222@pacbell.net Subject: M_Boats: Gennaker Date: 08 Jan 1999 18:16:58 -0800 Bill: The Gennaker sheet(s) go through a block aft of the toe rail and then forward through a small cam-matic ball-bearing cleat on the coaming, leading the sheet into the cockpit. You don't need a genoa track with the gennaker or the spinnaker. The further aft, the better on the 15. The Gennaker sheets have to pass outside and forward of the jib forestay when tacking or jibing. The Luff of the Gennaker is forward of the jib forestay. If you ran the sheet only forward of the mast you would end up wrapping the gennaker around the jib forestay. You don't need two sheets if you plan to use the Gennaker on only one tack. I recommend both starboard and port sheets. Once you get used to the Gennaker it's not that difficult to tack or jibe - it's all touch and feel- and lots of fun. I always want to avoid going forward of the mast when single handling (which is how I sail) and especially when sailing on San Francisco Bay when the chop is up. I fly the Gennaker from a masthead block located approx. 4' above the jib block. This gives me the maximum possible discretionary use for raising and lowering the height of the Gennaker to suit my needs. I wanted to be sure that I could set it so the foot could be above the bow pulpit, if I wanted it to. You have control of 3 lines to adjust the position and shape of the Gennaker (The head, The foot and the clew). When you want to douse it just let the foot and halyard lines run free and pull in on the sheet. It takes no more than 5-10 seconds, unless the halyard gets stuck-"cut it free". Jerry did recommend rigging the spinnaker block approx 6" above the jib block. I like the Gennaker block where I have it. I haven't tested it for the Spinnaker although my Spinnaker block on the Capri 14 was exactly 6" above jib block. When I mentioned it being a hassle I was thinking of my situation. I sail out of the Port of Redwood City (a hassle in itself). I often motor out to the bay (a half hour plus) before I set my sails. The conditions on the Bay can be very, very, different than what I see in the harbor. I try and prepare as best I can for changing conditions. I roll and tie the Gennaker with yarn then secure before I launch. This preparation would not be necessary under other circumstances. Using different sails for different conditions is one of the reasons the Montgomery 15 is sooo... much fun! Rich Cottrell M15 # 288 "Really" . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rc2222@pacbell.net Subject: M_Boats: Gennaker Date: 08 Jan 1999 18:17:39 -0800 Bill: The Gennaker sheet(s) go through a block aft of the toe rail and then forward through a small cam-matic ball-bearing cleat on the coaming, leading the sheet into the cockpit. You don't need a genoa track with the gennaker or the spinnaker. The further aft, the better on the 15. The Gennaker sheets have to pass outside and forward of the jib forestay when tacking or jibing. The Luff of the Gennaker is forward of the jib forestay. If you ran the sheet only forward of the mast you would end up wrapping the gennaker around the jib forestay. You don't need two sheets if you plan to use the Gennaker on only one tack. I recommend both starboard and port sheets. Once you get used to the Gennaker it's not that difficult to tack or jibe - it's all touch and feel- and lots of fun. I always want to avoid going forward of the mast when single handling (which is how I sail) and especially when sailing on San Francisco Bay when the chop is up. I fly the Gennaker from a masthead block located approx. 4' above the jib block. This gives me the maximum possible discretionary use for raising and lowering the height of the Gennaker to suit my needs. I wanted to be sure that I could set it so the foot could be above the bow pulpit, if I wanted it to. You have control of 3 lines to adjust the position and shape of the Gennaker (The head, The foot and the clew). When you want to douse it just let the foot and halyard lines run free and pull in on the sheet. It takes no more than 5-10 seconds, unless the halyard gets stuck-"cut it free". Jerry did recommend rigging the spinnaker block approx 6" above the jib block. I like the Gennaker block where I have it. I haven't tested it for the Spinnaker although my Spinnaker block on the Capri 14 was exactly 6" above jib block. When I mentioned it being a hassle I was thinking of my situation. I sail out of the Port of Redwood City (a hassle in itself). I often motor out to the bay (a half hour plus) before I set my sails. The conditions on the Bay can be very, very, different than what I see in the harbor. I try and prepare as best I can for changing conditions. I roll and tie the Gennaker with yarn then secure before I launch. This preparation would not be necessary under other circumstances. Using different sails for different conditions is one of the reasons the Montgomery 15 is sooo... much fun! Rich Cottrell M15 # 288 "Really" . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Francene Lebowitz Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailers Date: 08 Jan 1999 22:49:49 -0800 L. Ingalls wrote: > > This is an update on "Puppy," my M15. > More accurately it is about the trailer. I told you all the horror story > of my early attempts at trying to launch and retrieve the boat. Dennis > Farrell took pity on me the last time he brought his M15 to San Diego and > called me to show he the trailer extender he had installed. It worked > well, so did the modification to the bow stop; he'd lowered it six inches > to keep the boat's deck from hanging up on the stop when launching. > I had a local shop duplicate this on my trailer, but Dennis had warned that > with an eight foot extension there was some sage, so I had a three inch > receiver installed to accept a two and a half in extension. > Tried it yesterday, worked like a dream! No more rope! Yeah! > Lee > M15 #326 > Puppy Hi Lee, Glad to hear you improved your trailer to your satisfaction. I hope to see what you did some day. We've been a bit busy lately, but we will take you up on your invite to sail. You still storing at Campland? What vehicle do you tow with? Smooth sailing, Fran ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Lane Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailers Date: 08 Jan 1999 22:56:20 -0800 I had a 14' box section extension made for my M23 trailer and designed a special castor wheel for the 1200 lb Fulton jack which stays down while launching and retrieving. I can avoid putting my tow car wheels in the salt. Dick "Sadhana" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William B Riker <75507.267@compuserve.com> Subject: M_Boats: Gennaker Date: 09 Jan 1999 09:56:48 -0500 Rich, Thanks for the additional info on flying the gennaker. I'm sold. Now I understand about tacking the gennaker forward of the forestay. Since the sail's head block is above the forestay attachment, the tack block has to be forward of the forestay. Of course. I launch in the Rocky River, about a 10 - 15 minute run to Lake Erie, so I know what you mean about contitions when you reach the big water. If I'm unsure of conditions, I can drive a mile or so through congested residential areas and check out the lake from a nearby park before I launch. But it's not always worth giving up good sailing time to do so. Thanks again. Bill Riker M15 #184 Storm Petrel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AirEvacLen@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailers Date: 09 Jan 1999 13:42:49 EST Dick Where do you sail Sadhana? Lenny M-23#003 Phx, Az ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Lane Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailers Date: 09 Jan 1999 20:12:33 -0800 AirEvacLen@aol.com wrote: > > Dick > Where do you sail Sadhana? > > Lenny > M-23#003 > Phx, Az SF Bay out of Redwood City. She is #44 and is for sale. 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Briefly, the = boat is very clean, off-white hull, great teak, motor, trailer, self-= contained head, solar vent, stored indoors since I've owned (five years) Please pass on to anyone that would be interested. Thanks Gang! Theo Petron "Sails Call" (651) 696-0032 ____________________ Theo Petron IntroBang! theo@introbang.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rc2222@pacbell.net Subject: M_Boats: get together Date: 11 Jan 1999 07:55:45 -0800 Dick: I'd be happy to meet with you sometime to discuss Montgomery boats. Rich ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TEHowe@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Spam Date: 11 Jan 1999 12:16:46 EST I don't think that the infiltration of junk ads into this mailing list is the fault of the administrators. The mass mailing that landed here is just the downside of the freedom of the 'net. This is still a place for M boat devotees, and not an adversisement medium. I hope that the unsubscribes are not due to a percieved dimunition of the quality of the info available here. Don't let these annoyances drive you away, just use your "delete" key when you see a subject that smacks of commercialism. Keith has done us all a great service in managing this site. Thanks for your effort, Keith. TH. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SWOGAMAN@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 for Sale in MN Date: 11 Jan 1999 12:56:40 EST how much? Steve Wogaman Louisville, KY swogaman@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Keith Diehl" Subject: Re: M_Boats: Spam Date: 11 Jan 1999 12:16:54 -0700 Let me add to that. The originator of the spam NEVER lingers to read follow-up posts. Messages flaming the spammer just add to the clutter and pointlessly take up bandwidth. The list is supposed to be closed to posts other than by subscribers, but this has been somehow circumvented. I'll look into it. ---------- > From: TEHowe@aol.com > To: montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Spam > Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 10:16 AM > > I don't think that the infiltration of junk ads into this mailing list is the > fault of the administrators. The mass mailing that landed here is just the > downside of the freedom of the 'net. This is still a place for M boat > devotees, and not an adversisement medium. I hope that the unsubscribes are > not due to a percieved dimunition of the quality of the info available here. > Don't let these annoyances drive you away, just use your "delete" key when you > see a subject that smacks of commercialism. Keith has done us all a great > service in managing this site. Thanks for your effort, Keith. TH. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grove777@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: M_Boats: Spam Date: 11 Jan 1999 18:43:51 EST agree...keith...please keep the faith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Kidd" Subject: M_Boats: Misuse of M-Net Date: 11 Jan 1999 17:36:01 -0800 Brian, I agree. The Montgomery list somehow got into the hands of spammers (who are too unethical to respect anyone's -- or any group's -- privacy). If we all do our best to discourage this misuse, we'll enjoy our M-net more. Of course, we don't want to discourage those selling a Montgomery from giving the M-list first dibs on buying it. Joe Kidd M-15-207 "Poco a Poco" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harvey Wilson Subject: M_Boats: Trailrite trailer Date: 11 Jan 1999 22:38:26 -0500 HELP !!! Has anyone ever replaced the jack mechanism in in the Trailrite for the M-17 ?? The internal tube in mine is rusting out, and I could never trust it if I= tried the rope launching mauoever. Harvey/ Ga M-17 Stargazer #294 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hazel Lane Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailrite trailer Date: 11 Jan 1999 20:05:45 -0800 Harvey Wilson wrote: > > HELP !!! > > Has anyone ever replaced the jack mechanism in in the Trailrite for the > M-17 ?? > > The internal tube in mine is rusting out, and I could never trust it if I > tried the rope launching mauoever. > > Harvey/ Ga > > M-17 Stargazer #294Forget the old jack, buy a 1500lbs Fulton from USBoat ($80) and clamp it to the frame just behind the hitch. Dick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jslubliner@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Misuse of M-Net Date: 11 Jan 1999 23:19:58 EST Speaking of first chances, I've just returned from the Holidays in San Diego and have been bitten by the "planing hull bug". I've had this bug before, but it's bit again. With this in mind, am intertaining thoughts about helping COYOTE find a new den. Coyote is one of the few "half-Montys" actively out there. Keith Diehl has one, there is one non-sailing one in Tucson, the others were last seen in Phoenix and Lake Havasu. Coyote is indoubtedly the nicest racer-daysailer out there at 17 feet: a flush-deck, Jerry built just a few for racing. This one was his personal one - sail No. 69. It's a 1975 hull, black anodized tall rig and boom. o Internal Halyards o Airfoil Spreaders o Baby Stay o Split backstay w/adjusters o Updated deck layout o Recent deck cleats and turning blocks o Some recent halyards and rigging o Extra standing rigging o Deck mounted spinnaker pole o New spinnaker sheets and jib sheets o New Harken mainsheet traveler o Bulkhead mounted compass and knotmeter o Custom motor mount o 3.5hp Nissan long-shaft outboard available. ----- Storm Jib Working Jib 110% Racing Sail 130% Racing Sail 150% Working Sail 170% Racing Main w/reef points - Mylar Working Main w/reef points - Dacron 1/2oz Spinnaker w/turtle bag 3/4oz Spinnaker w/turtle bag Custom trailer w/dropped axle for easy launching New trailer lights 5/98 New full sized tires 5/98 New wheel bearings & seals - w/spares Spare tire, new trailer launching crank-up wheel If interested, contact us in Tucson - jslubliner@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sparsons@canby.com (Steve Parsons) Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailrite trailer Date: 11 Jan 1999 21:02:37 -0800 Harvey, I assume you're talking about the bolt on pivoting wheel. If so, they're about $35 at West Marine, and go on quite easily if the bolts are not too rusty. Steve >HELP !!! > >Has anyone ever replaced the jack mechanism in in the Trailrite for the >M-17 ?? > >The internal tube in mine is rusting out, and I could never trust it if I >tried the rope launching mauoever. > > Harvey/ Ga > >M-17 Stargazer #294 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AirEvacLen@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailrite trailer Date: 12 Jan 1999 10:25:27 EST Harvey Never had a problem launching my 17.............but I had a swing keel. Get rid of the old jack and install a new one..........A #1500 jack will lift half of the weight of the boat and trailer...........you shouldn't have more than #300 tongue weight anyway..........save yourself some greif. Lenny M-23#003 Sea Horse ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Karen Fell" Subject: Re: M_Boats: Spam Date: 12 Jan 1999 18:27:59 -0800 I Agree. Don't let a few spamers spoil what we have on the internet. Sometimes I'm so tired I don't respond to some of the e-mails I see posted, but I look foward to reading everything posted. The weather here in southern California is warm 75% with gentle breezes, and the grey whales are migrating past. I'm going to get out this week, I'll keep you all posted if I see any. John M15 #126 -----Original Message----- >I don't think that the infiltration of junk ads into this mailing list is the >fault of the administrators. The mass mailing that landed here is just the >downside of the freedom of the 'net. This is still a place for M boat >devotees, and not an adversisement medium. I hope that the unsubscribes are >not due to a percieved dimunition of the quality of the info available here. >Don't let these annoyances drive you away, just use your "delete" key when you >see a subject that smacks of commercialism. Keith has done us all a great >service in managing this site. Thanks for your effort, Keith. TH. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harvey Wilson Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailrite trailer Date: 12 Jan 1999 23:13:19 -0500 Hi Steve.. Not a bolt-on, but the original jack that came with the trailer. It's welded to the center of the frame, and the wheel is removable. I thought I might try the rope launching trick = on some of our shallow angled ramps....the Admiral doesn't like her Areostar's bumper in the water. Harvey/Ga M-17 Stargazer #294 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harvey Wilson Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailrite trailer Date: 12 Jan 1999 23:13:20 -0500 Hi Dick... >>>Forget the old jack, buy a 1500lbs Fulton from USBoat ($80) and clamp = it to the frame just behind the hitch.<<< If I do this, will it roll in a reasonably straight line down the ramp (i= f I decide to try the rope launch method) Harvey/ Ga M-17 Stargazer #294 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bownez@juno.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailrite trailer Date: 12 Jan 1999 22:08:39 -0600 Hi Harvey, I have rebuilt the worm gear-front wheel mechanism on my Trail-rite trailer. It was actually rather easy. Trail-rite has all the replacement parts. The shaft which supports the wheel was bent on mine, probably from the former owner forgetting to raise it all the way and hitting a curb (?). I seem to remember the only part I had to source was the correct size roll-pin for one of the top gears. Give 'er a go. Trail-rite is in Cal, I have the number somewhere. Good luck Michael "Bones" Bowden M17 #92 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sparsons@canby.com (Steve Parsons) Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailrite trailer Date: 12 Jan 1999 20:51:25 -0800 Harvey, I havenn't seen one like that. Both my Montgomery, and my Catalina have Trailrites with a bolt on jack. Please let us know how it goes. Steve >Hi Steve.. > > Not a bolt-on, but the original jack that came with the trailer. > >It's welded to the center of the frame, and the wheel is removable. I >thought I might try the rope launching trick >on some of our shallow angled ramps....the Admiral doesn't like her >Areostar's bumper in the water. > > Harvey/Ga > >M-17 Stargazer #294 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Lane Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailrite trailer Date: 13 Jan 1999 00:09:23 -0800 Harvey Wilson wrote: > > Hi Dick... > > >>>Forget the old jack, buy a 1500lbs Fulton from USBoat ($80) and clamp it > > to the frame just behind the hitch.<<< > > If I do this, will it roll in a reasonably straight line down the ramp (if > I decide to try the rope launch method) > > Harvey/ Ga > > M-17 Stargazer #294 Yes, the wheel will only be about 8" off center, select a double wheel if you can for soft ground. Dick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chbenneck@juno.com (Conbert H Benneck) Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailrite trailer Date: 13 Jan 1999 20:40:32 -0500 Harvey I found an ad by Trailrite Trailers and gave them a call. They were in the process of putting out a new trailer and trailer parts catalog, and will send me one when they come from the printer. As soon as I get it I'll send you an email with their address & phone number. Connie ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harvey Wilson Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailrite trailer Date: 13 Jan 1999 22:56:23 -0500 Hi Connie.. Thanks for the info on Trailrite catalog. It's probably cheaper to replace the jack with a fulton, but I'd like to keep it original. Any ideas on how to remove the trailer wheels?? I've soaked the bolts wi= th WD-40 many times, but they just will not come out. I twisted off the 1/2= " socket mounting head on a 16 in. breaker bar (cheap bar). Maybe an impac= t wrench ?? Harvey/ Ga = M-17 Stargazer #294 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis W. Farrell" Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailrite trailer Date: 13 Jan 1999 19:31:47 -0800 Connie: would you please copy the address & phone number to me also Thanks -- dwf -----Original Message----- >Harvey > >I found an ad by Trailrite Trailers and gave them a call. They were in >the process of putting out a new trailer and trailer parts catalog, and >will send me one when they come from the printer. >As soon as I get it I'll send you an email with their address & phone >number. > >Connie > > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis W. Farrell" Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailrite trailer Date: 13 Jan 1999 20:41:52 -0800 Harvey: a couple of suggestions. If you're mobile why not drive it to a tire shop and let them remove the lug nuts? I haven't found WD-40 and similar light oils to be much help on nuts threaded on for full engagement: the oil just doesn't seem to penetrate sufficiently down the threads. You might try anti-freeze, which is a fairly good penetrant, but I suspect it will have the same problem. You might try getting a socket (preferably thick-wall) which is a slide fit over that part of the lug bolt which protrudes from the lug nut. Slide it down to contact the lug nut and rap it smartly a couple of times with a heavy hammer. This will cause the nut to vibrate. Then try a wrench in both directions (loosen and tighten). Alternate torquing and rapping several times to see if you gain anything. If you can, then try penetrant and continue the alternate torquing and rapping. Good luck - it's not a pleasant job. -- dwf "In a power boat, you get there in a hurry, in a sailboat, you are already there" V-17 #36; M-15 #189; P-15 #1086 "PELICAN" - Ridgecrest, CA -----Original Message----- >Hi Connie.. > > Thanks for the info on Trailrite catalog. > >It's probably cheaper to replace the jack with a fulton, but I'd like to >keep it original. > >Any ideas on how to remove the trailer wheels?? I've soaked the bolts with >WD-40 many times, but they just will not come out. I twisted off the 1/2 " >socket mounting head on a 16 in. breaker bar (cheap bar). Maybe an impact >wrench ?? > > Harvey/ Ga > >M-17 Stargazer #294 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morris, Giles" Subject: RE: M_Boats: Trailrite trailer Date: 14 Jan 1999 11:04:55 -0500 > Any ideas on how to remove the trailer wheels?? Just a couple, and none of them very elegant, I'm afraid. I've found that a product called Liquid Wrench is more effective than WD40 for this purpose (no definitive tests - just a subjective impression). It's sometimes worth while trying to break a bond by initially attempting to tighten the bolt. The impact wrench is a good idea (try both directions). >(cheap bar) I've finally (too soon old, too late smart) realized that cheap tools are far too expensive - it's much cheaper to buy good ones. And if the worst comes to the worst you could remove the whole hub/wheel assembly and you have the basis for a REALLY ugly coffee table. You would also then be able to warm things up with a torch without hurting too much else. Giles Morris M-15 #264 "Umiaq" Vancouver 25 #002 "Dolphin" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harvey Wilson Subject: RE: M_Boats: Trailrite trailer Date: 14 Jan 1999 23:38:52 -0500 Hi Giles.. Thanks for the tip on Liquid Wrench...had some a while back, but a lot o= f stuff went by the wayside when I moved. Hmmmm...2 boats...I envy you!! Harvey/ Ga M-17 Stargazer #294 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harvey Wilson Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailrite trailer Date: 14 Jan 1999 23:38:53 -0500 Hi Connie... Thanks for the lug tip..I'll try it, since Stargazer is on it. If it doesn't work, I'll take it = to a garage when I put her in the water this spring. Harvey/ Ga M-17 Stargazer #294 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beckerr@jps.net (Robert Becker) Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailrite trailer Date: 15 Jan 1999 10:51:45 -0800 Harvey, I had the same problem with my trailrite. I took it to a tire shop and their impact wrenches couldn't do it, I soaked it in every solvent I could find, and almost gave myself a hernia trying to force them off; nothing worked. Finally, I got smart. The idea is to get lots of leverage!! Get a good socket wrench and slip a 6 foot pipe over the handle. Have a helper hold the wrench on the nut by sitting on the ground and putting their foot on the wrench to hold it on the nut. You then get on the other end of the pipe and carefully bounce dowm. When the nut breaks free, it will do so with a bang, and socket, wrench, and pipe fly in all directions (which is why the helper holds things with his foot). You may also get dumped on your butt, so use caution. I recommend someone expendable for the helpers job, perhaps a son-in-law. After you get them all loose, make it a yearly maintance job to regrease the threads on each nut. Good luck, Bob M15 #208 >Any ideas on how to remove the trailer wheels?? I've soaked the bolts with >WD-40 many times, but they just will not come out. I twisted off the 1/2 " >socket mounting head on a 16 in. breaker bar (cheap bar). Maybe an impact >wrench ?? > > Harvey/ Ga > >M-17 Stargazer #294 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sandyal55@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: M_Boats: Trailrite trailer Date: 15 Jan 1999 14:30:11 EST All the nut loosening ideas are good ones. Soaking should work along with the "first tighten then loosen" trick. These things break the rust free. Another trick is to use heat. Try a propane torch and then a few raps with a hammer. Then use the wrenches. If you cook the wheel bearing grease, they needed to be repacked anyway. After getting all the nuts loose, reassemble them with a product called "Never Seize". It's available in hardware stores and is used for threaded connections in harsh conditions. After 25 years in the water treatment field, I know it works. Any threaded or dissimilar metal connections should be made with this to prevent corrosion. I've used it on masts and booms when attaching fittings due to the Stainless to aluminum connection. I use it on pop rivets as well as tapped holes for machine screws. Don't forget the lug nuts on the tow vehicle too. They get wet. Ain't boat maintenance fun. Sandy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morris, Giles" Subject: RE: Re: M_Boats: Trailrite trailer Date: 15 Jan 1999 14:40:01 -0500 >Ain't boat maintenance fun And it really keeps you in touch with reality. I was out this morning shaking the sheets of ice off Umiaq's cover this morning (from last night's freezing rain) and reflecting on the July day when I was lying underneath cleaning the bottom of the boat. Lying in the water coming from the hose pipe, with the water full on and splashing down onto my face and STILL overheated. Ain't weather fun (except that there's too %$#@! much of it lying around at the moment). Giles Morris Arlington VA (but with thoughts turning to S Florida) M-15 #264 "Umiaq" Vancouver V-25 #002 "Dolphin" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Natalie Bohnet Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailers Date: 15 Jan 1999 13:05:34 -0700 Where do the San Diego Montgomery sailors sail the Bay or Mission Bay? We come over from Tucson quite often for long weekend sails & we have yet to spy another Montgomery on the water (or in a marina for that matter). Get sick of racing all the Catalina 22's. Would love to see another Montgomery out there. Natalie & Mike M17 #365 "Junior" At 10:49 PM 1/8/99 -0800, you wrote: >L. Ingalls wrote: >> >> This is an update on "Puppy," my M15. >> More accurately it is about the trailer. I told you all the horror story >> of my early attempts at trying to launch and retrieve the boat. Dennis >> Farrell took pity on me the last time he brought his M15 to San Diego and >> called me to show he the trailer extender he had installed. It worked >> well, so did the modification to the bow stop; he'd lowered it six inches >> to keep the boat's deck from hanging up on the stop when launching. >> I had a local shop duplicate this on my trailer, but Dennis had warned that >> with an eight foot extension there was some sage, so I had a three inch >> receiver installed to accept a two and a half in extension. >> Tried it yesterday, worked like a dream! No more rope! Yeah! >> Lee >> M15 #326 >> Puppy > >Hi Lee, > Glad to hear you improved your trailer to your satisfaction. I hope to >see what you did some day. We've been a bit busy lately, but we will >take you up on your invite to sail. You still storing at Campland? What >vehicle do you tow with? >Smooth sailing, >Fran > > Natalie Bohnet Director of Finance and Administration UApresents University of Arizona Telephone: (520) 621-3366 Fax: (520) 621-5753 email:nohnet@u.arizona.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jslubliner@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailers Date: 16 Jan 1999 09:17:56 EST Natalie and Mike - Good question. We were in San Diego over the holidays with "Coyote", sailed Mission bay for 5 days, saw no M-boats, and for that matter, only saw two other sailboats actually on that water during the week. At the time, I thought "Great, this is just like Mexico - we got the entire place to ourselves" - but you are right, it would have been nice to have some traffic. We also spent two full days in San Diego harbor, sailing out of the Shelter Island area, in "real boats" (the kind that some people use our sized boats to get to...) and did not see one other Monty of any size actually untied from a dock. It strikes me that with slip costs what they are, the small boater-types keep their toys at home, so they only the come out on weekends. I did expect to see more activity, but as we left for home on New Years day, we probably missed all of the beer-can stuff then. As for where to say, we've been doing our holidays at DeAnza RV park in Mission Bay for several years, keeping the boat in slip at Campland, just across the creek, an easy bicycle ride or walk from your home-on wheels. For you east-coast people, ice is not a holiday problem here in the west. Sorry to gloat, but today's Arizona boating activity does not include ice (outside of a glass). Coyote in Tucson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chbenneck@juno.com (Conbert H Benneck) Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailers Date: 17 Jan 1999 20:46:17 -0500 Dear Coyote in Tucson; You do cut to the quick!! For the past few days we have had rain: snow mixed with rain that produced some of the greatest GLOP you ever saw. Rather than shoveling all that glop, I made the mistake of relying on the weather forecaster who said it would be above freezing and disappear. Hah! It froze, and now I am trying to chip inch by square inch to get to my black-top so that the sun can get to it and melt the mess that is coating my driveway. I removed about 75 lbs of wet slush and ice from the M-15 winter cover: and you talk about good weather........? Where??? Connie in Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chbenneck@juno.com (Conbert H Benneck) Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailrite trailer Date: 17 Jan 1999 20:34:39 -0500 Harvey, Ouch! Have you tried something like Liquid Wrench? When I have rusted bolts I use a product called KROIL that does a good job. However, if you are twisting off the head of a 16 inch breaker bar, then it may call for a bit of professional help at your friendly trailer shop. They have air tools; impact wrenches, and bigger breaker bars (plus 3/4 inch drive sockets) so that should loosen the bolt. But, if they are that corroded, then you may need new threaded studs in your hubs, and again, the trailer shop is the place to go for that kind of help. To preclude that happening again in the future, put a bit of grease on the threads. Keeps the water out, and you should always be able to remove the nuts. Connie ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy_Watkins@odp.tamu.edu Subject: Re[2]: M_Boats: Trailers Date: 17 Jan 1999 20:58:50 CST Connie, sorroy to heap more on but it's about 70+ here Sunny and S/W breeze about 8-10, guess where I'm heading for tomorrow since it's a holiday. Regards, Randy M15#194 "Crystal Sea" College Station, Tx _______________________ Reply Separator _______________________ Author: montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com at #Internet Dear Coyote in Tucson; You do cut to the quick!! For the past few days we have had rain: snow mixed with rain that produced some of the greatest GLOP you ever saw. Rather than shoveling all that glop, I made the mistake of relying on the weather forecaster who said it would be above freezing and disappear. Hah! It froze, and now I am trying to chip inch by square inch to get to my black-top so that the sun can get to it and melt the mess that is coating my driveway. I removed about 75 lbs of wet slush and ice from the M-15 winter cover: and you talk about good weather........? Where??? Connie in Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jslubliner@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailers Date: 17 Jan 1999 23:49:01 EST Dear Connie in Connecticut, Ah, Tucson, Arizona is a wonderful place this time of year. I wore a sweater- vest this afternoon, the breeze was up and the temperature only got to the high 60's... I won't gloat, as I wouldn't wish this on you in August - when it's 110 and STILL 100+ miles from real sailing water. You have the best of the summer months, so I guess we all pay our dues. Coyote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David & Nancy Phippeny Subject: M_Boats: Weather Date: 18 Jan 1999 08:14:30 -0600 Hi Connie in Connecticut, Put the 17 in lake last night and will sail today and tomorrow. High yesterday 83. It's also hot here in summer so winter is best sailing time for central Texas. Dave in Texas ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grover & Doris Subject: Re: M_Boats: Weather Date: 18 Jan 1999 12:24:04 -0500 WHY DON`T YOU ADDRESS PERSONAL MESSAGES TO A PERSONAL ADDRESS, OR DO YOU TWO HAVE A PRIVATE AFFAIR YOU WANT TO MAKE PUBLIC? SHADES OF M.L & W.J.C. PERHAPS? <:-> At 08:14 99/01/18 -0600, you wrote: >Hi Connie in Connecticut, > >Put the 17 in lake last night and will sail today and tomorrow. High >yesterday 83. > >It's also hot here in summer so winter is best sailing time for central >Texas. > >Dave in Texas > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Weir Subject: RE: M_Boats: Weather Date: 18 Jan 1999 13:09:55 -0600 Excellent idea, even though we appreciate ALL the input, personal chat notes COULD be sent to personal e-mail boxes. One Monday morning I had 45 e-mails and 38 were personal M-list chats that had nothing to do with Montgomery boats at all. In the last 2 months I've noticed several people getting off the list and that might be one of the reasons for their dropping out. I hope no one is offended but I really think "Grover & Doris" have a point there. Brian Weir -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, January 18, 1999 11:24 AM WHY DON`T YOU ADDRESS PERSONAL MESSAGES TO A PERSONAL ADDRESS, OR DO YOU TWO HAVE A PRIVATE AFFAIR YOU WANT TO MAKE PUBLIC? SHADES OF M.L & W.J.C. PERHAPS? <:-> At 08:14 99/01/18 -0600, you wrote: >Hi Connie in Connecticut, > >Put the 17 in lake last night and will sail today and tomorrow. High >yesterday 83. > >It's also hot here in summer so winter is best sailing time for central >Texas. > >Dave in Texas > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TEHowe@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailrite trailer Date: 18 Jan 1999 20:48:59 EST Harvey, a propane torch applied judiciously to the nuts should get them to expand and contract and thereby freeing them. Simple, and no son-in-law required. Good luck. TH ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy_Watkins@odp.tamu.edu Subject: Re[2]: M_Boats: Weather Date: 18 Jan 1999 20:31:06 CST hey dude or whoever wrote no offense meant but lighten up why don't you. sailors like to chat and make friends as well as discuss finer points of sailing and equipment, Regards & hello Dave Randy W. _______________________ Reply Separator _______________________ Author: montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com at #Internet WHY DON`T YOU ADDRESS PERSONAL MESSAGES TO A PERSONAL ADDRESS, OR DO YOU TWO HAVE A PRIVATE AFFAIR YOU WANT TO MAKE PUBLIC? SHADES OF M.L & W.J.C. PERHAPS? <:-> At 08:14 99/01/18 -0600, you wrote: >Hi Connie in Connecticut, > >Put the 17 in lake last night and will sail today and tomorrow. High >yesterday 83. > >It's also hot here in summer so winter is best sailing time for central >Texas. > >Dave in Texas > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Keith Diehl" Subject: M_Boats: Fw: List Usage Survey Results Date: 18 Jan 1999 20:32:25 -0700 Lest new members not be aware of decisions that have been made, I'm reposting this. I haven't seen a significant increase in list volume in the last three months and see no reason to reconsider at this time. Sailing is a gentleperson's activity and rudeness, no matter how justified, will not be tolerated here. Posters showing a consistent lack of courtesy and respect for other list members will be removed. Remember, this is my list - I pay money to operate it - and I do it because I like sailing and Montgomery boats. Not because I need more stress in my life. Enough said. The dictator has spoken. ---------- > From: Keith Diehl > To: Montgomery Boats List > Subject: List Usage Survey Results > Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 5:45 PM > > I haven't seen a new posting on this topic for several days, so > I'll assume that anyone with an opinion has spoken. Here's how I > score the results: > List Membership - about 100 > Responses Received - 19 > > My count - 10 votes for a wide open list (eleven really, I > didn't count myself) > 9 votes for limiting private messages > about 80 people who don't give a rip. > > My decision is (and you thought this would really be > democratic!)....... > > montgomery_boats may be used as a party-line message system. > This decision may be re-evaluated If list traffic increases. > > Thunk. (That's the sound of my gavel, not Windows 95 pretending > to be a 32 bit operating system - programmer's humor) > > Keith Diehl -- Salt Lake City > http://www.xmission.com/~kdiehl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kq4al@amsat.org Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fw: List Usage Survey Results Date: 18 Jan 1999 22:50:37 -0500 901182238est Keith: We joined because we are small boat sailors and enjoy hearing and sharing sailing ideas/boat mods/locales and an occassional sea story. No interest in the followers of the A. W. theme and those looking for notoriety on the INET. When the signal to noise ratio becomes intolerable we jump ship. We have appreciated the best of the list and your efforts on behalf of the M-boat and other small boat sailors -thanks much. Regretfully, please remove us from the list. GL & thanks again At 20:32 99/01/18 -0700, you wrote: >Lest new members not be aware of decisions that have been made, >I'm reposting this. I haven't seen a significant increase in >list volume in the last three months and see no reason to >reconsider at this time. > >Sailing is a gentleperson's activity and rudeness, no matter how >justified, will not be tolerated here. Posters showing a >consistent lack of courtesy and respect for other list members >will be removed. > >Remember, this is my list - I pay money to operate it - and I do >it because I like sailing and Montgomery boats. Not because I >need more stress in my life. > >Enough said. The dictator has spoken. > >---------- >> From: Keith Diehl >> To: Montgomery Boats List > >> Subject: List Usage Survey Results >> Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 5:45 PM >> >> I haven't seen a new posting on this topic for several days, >so >> I'll assume that anyone with an opinion has spoken. Here's how >I >> score the results: >> List Membership - about 100 >> Responses Received - 19 >> >> My count - 10 votes for a wide open list (eleven really, I >> didn't count myself) >> 9 votes for limiting private messages >> about 80 people who don't give a rip. >> >> My decision is (and you thought this would really be >> democratic!)....... >> >> montgomery_boats may be used as a party-line message system. >> This decision may be re-evaluated If list traffic increases. >> >> Thunk. (That's the sound of my gavel, not Windows 95 >pretending >> to be a 32 bit operating system - programmer's humor) >> >> Keith Diehl -- Salt Lake City >> http://www.xmission.com/~kdiehl > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis W. Farrell" Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fw: List Usage Survey Results Date: 18 Jan 1999 21:23:33 -0800 Keith: I realize that some folks have limited bandwith connections, and others have limited tolerance for other folk's interest. Notwithstanding, I agree with "anything goes as long as it's courteous" I think your repost will be helpful to newbies. Thanks for the list !! -- dwf "In a power boat, you get there in a hurry, in a sailboat, you are already there" V-17 #36; M-15 #189; P-15 #1086 "PELICAN" - Ridgecrest, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Kidd" Subject: Re: M_Boats: List Usage Date: 18 Jan 1999 23:25:08 -0800 Thank you, Keith. I agree that courtesy, above all, is required of civil persons. Also, it is your nickle and we appreciate the way you share the Montgomery list with us. Some folks like sailboats... Some folks like sailing... Some folks like sailors... Some folks like all three. Thankfully, the Montgomery net has something for all of us. Joe Kidd M-15 207 "Poco A Poco" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Weir Subject: RE: M_Boats: List Usage Date: 19 Jan 1999 08:24:38 -0600 Once again, I apologize if I offended anyone. It is just that I get this mail at work and the quantity of contributions can be staggering. All helpful hints, handy tips, and sea stories are duly read, but sometimes I feel like an eavesdropper listening in on a couple of good friends having a private conversation. Thanks Keith for the newsletter, Brian L. Weir -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 1:25 AM Thank you, Keith. I agree that courtesy, above all, is required of civil persons. Also, it is your nickle and we appreciate the way you share the Montgomery list with us. Some folks like sailboats... Some folks like sailing... Some folks like sailors... Some folks like all three. Thankfully, the Montgomery net has something for all of us. Joe Kidd M-15 207 "Poco A Poco" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "L. Ingalls" Subject: M_Boats: Ignore it Date: 19 Jan 1999 06:57:53 -0800 Keith, You've done a wonderful job in keeping up this list. I thank you and hope everyone can ignore the invaders. It's easy; just press delete. Thanks again, Lee Ingalls "Puppy" M15 #326 At 10:50 PM 1/18/1999 -0500, you wrote: >901182238est > >Keith: > > We joined because we are small boat sailors and enjoy hearing and sharing >sailing ideas/boat mods/locales and an occassional sea story. No interest >in the followers of the A. W. theme and those looking for notoriety on the >INET. When the signal to noise ratio becomes intolerable we jump ship. > > We have appreciated the best of the list and your efforts on behalf of the >M-boat and other small boat sailors -thanks much. > > Regretfully, please remove us from the list. > > GL & thanks again > > > > >At 20:32 99/01/18 -0700, you wrote: >>Lest new members not be aware of decisions that have been made, >>I'm reposting this. I haven't seen a significant increase in >>list volume in the last three months and see no reason to >>reconsider at this time. >> >>Sailing is a gentleperson's activity and rudeness, no matter how >>justified, will not be tolerated here. Posters showing a >>consistent lack of courtesy and respect for other list members >>will be removed. >> >>Remember, this is my list - I pay money to operate it - and I do >>it because I like sailing and Montgomery boats. Not because I >>need more stress in my life. >> >>Enough said. The dictator has spoken. >> >>---------- >>> From: Keith Diehl >>> To: Montgomery Boats List >> >>> Subject: List Usage Survey Results >>> Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 5:45 PM >>> >>> I haven't seen a new posting on this topic for several days, >>so >>> I'll assume that anyone with an opinion has spoken. Here's how >>I >>> score the results: >>> List Membership - about 100 >>> Responses Received - 19 >>> >>> My count - 10 votes for a wide open list (eleven really, I >>> didn't count myself) >>> 9 votes for limiting private messages >>> about 80 people who don't give a rip. >>> >>> My decision is (and you thought this would really be >>> democratic!)....... >>> >>> montgomery_boats may be used as a party-line message system. >>> This decision may be re-evaluated If list traffic increases. >>> >>> Thunk. (That's the sound of my gavel, not Windows 95 >>pretending >>> to be a 32 bit operating system - programmer's humor) >>> >>> Keith Diehl -- Salt Lake City >>> http://www.xmission.com/~kdiehl >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Graves" Subject: Re: M_Boats: Ignore it Date: 19 Jan 1999 07:58:54 -0700 Keith, Thanks for all your work with the List, I really appreciate it! Thanks, Randy M-15 #407 Dinky Boat randy@www1.eitc.edu Eastern Idaho Technical College ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grove777@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fw: List Usage Survey Results Date: 19 Jan 1999 11:15:17 EST please keep the faith and keep all channels open...your service is very valuable and appreciated ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Francene Lebowitz Subject: M_Boats: Keith, the keeper of the list Date: 19 Jan 1999 09:40:37 -0800 You are doing a great job, providing a valued service and I appreciate your efforts, Keith. Thanks, Fran eventual M15 owner ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Rubey Subject: Re: M_Boats: Keith, the keeper of the list Date: 19 Jan 1999 16:31:08 -0500 I feel the same way; I read the postings every day, and have learned a lot. Thanks for what you're doing. Robert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Kelch Subject: M_Boats: Best varnish? Date: 19 Jan 1999 20:37:47 -0500 The outer veneer on my hatch boards completely flaked off and to get by last year I sanded them and covered them with Cetol. They look ok. I have cut new hatch boards this year and am about ready to finish them. = I saw a set of hatch boards on Nick's M23 which looked like a piece of furniture. They were beautiful. He told me that it was varnish and what= the brand name was and I can't remember the name. He did say that it was= good for 5 years if you gave it 5 coats. Any suggestions? Doug "Seas the Day" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William B Riker <75507.267@compuserve.com> Subject: RE: M_Boats: Weather Date: 19 Jan 1999 20:46:06 -0500 Brian, You wrote: WHY DON`T YOU ADDRESS PERSONAL MESSAGES TO A PERSONAL ADDRESS . . . My $.02 worth: I would prefer practical, information packed, sailing related messages too. But there are only so many of us, and only so many things to say about our small boats. Better to keep the communication lines open with weather and personal notes than lose contact. It doesn't take much time to read a couple of lines. Are the Mid-Atlantic Monty sailers planning a Chesepeake rendevous this spring. I would like to attend. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help. Bill Riker M15 #184 Storm Petrel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sparsons@canby.com (Steve Parsons) Subject: Re: M_Boats: Best varnish? Date: 19 Jan 1999 21:11:50 -0800 Doug, Take a peek at the various Cetol finishes. It's pricy stuff, but the results are spectacular. Steve >The outer veneer on my hatch boards completely flaked off and to get by >last year I sanded them and covered them with Cetol. They look ok. >I have cut new hatch boards this year and am about ready to finish them. I >saw a set of hatch boards on Nick's M23 which looked like a piece of >furniture. They were beautiful. He told me that it was varnish and what >the brand name was and I can't remember the name. He did say that it was >good for 5 years if you gave it 5 coats. > >Any suggestions? > >Doug >"Seas the Day" > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sparsons@canby.com (Steve Parsons) Subject: M_Boats: M15 Rudders Date: 19 Jan 1999 21:16:57 -0800 Group, I just noticed a nice hole in the metal cheek pieces of my rudder. No corresponding hole in the kickup rudder, but it looks like if a person added one, it would make a nice spot for a pin to keep the rudder from dropping while trailering up and down the ramp. Has anyone done this? Is there enough wood at the top of the blade to keep from splintering it? I've also thought of constructing a sling or removing an inch or so to keep things from dragging if it drops. Any thoughts? Steve Post Script: Keith, thanks for funding the site. We appreciate it!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Haas Subject: Re: M_Boats: Keith, the keeper of the list Date: 19 Jan 1999 21:14:21 -0800 > To all; Thank you Keith for helping to make owning a Montgomery more of a special experience. I have learned much about my boat, trailering and sailing from lurking about the list. Advice: Use your delete key freely and ignore the uncalled for comments like the one recently from a M17 owner referring to the jib on a M15 a postage stamp or some such thing. And --- on a personal note, thanks to Dennis Farrell for his quote: "In a power boat, you get there in a hurry, in a sailboat, you are already there" It made my day. Don Haas Dream Catcher, M15-248 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Rubey Subject: M_Boats: Jib track Date: 20 Jan 1999 07:28:39 -0500 I just mounted 6' genoa tracks to the teak toe rails of my M17. They start just forward of the current jib tracks, and extend back to a point about 6" aft of the winches. I was wondering what to do with the old tracks; I think that some of us lurk on the Potter list, and there's been a discussion there on mounting a set of jib tracks on the cabin top, which might help the boat point a little higher on a close reach. Has anyone ever tried this? Any thoughts about whether this would be a good idea? TIA, Robert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Graves" Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Rudders Date: 20 Jan 1999 07:09:28 -0700 Steve, I've made a simple sling that I use to keep the rudder in the kick-up'd positions when launching, nothing worse than to hear a grinding noise as you back down the ramp. I tie the sling off on the, reminding me to remove it before starting the motor. Randy randy@www1.eitc.edu Eastern Idaho Technical College ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy_Watkins@odp.tamu.edu Subject: Re[2]: M_Boats: Best varnish? Date: 20 Jan 1999 08:23:25 CST Doug, I just finished a similar project. I used plywood ( I may do them again in a better quality wood at a later time ) I did use a stain which matched the M15 teak color and used 2 coats of marine varnish. They look nice and should hold up. I also made a small 6" board which fits in the bottom of the hatch slot. I mounted a couple of cup holders and a compass on the starboard side. My VHF also fits in one of the holders. I was very inexpensive and it matches the hatch cover. I remove it when finished sailing and stow it in one of the cabin lockers. Regards Randy W. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Author: montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com at #Internet Doug, Take a peek at the various Cetol finishes. It's pricy stuff, but the results are spectacular. Steve >The outer veneer on my hatch boards completely flaked off and to get by >last year I sanded them and covered them with Cetol. They look ok. >I have cut new hatch boards this year and am about ready to finish them. I >saw a set of hatch boards on Nick's M23 which looked like a piece of >furniture. They were beautiful. He told me that it was varnish and what >the brand name was and I can't remember the name. He did say that it was >good for 5 years if you gave it 5 coats. > >Any suggestions? > >Doug >"Seas the Day" > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Sweany Subject: M_Boats: New Montgomery 17 pix! Date: 20 Jan 1999 10:20:40 -0800 (PST) First off, as a "Laser guy" who is fairly new to this world of keels, sloops and trailer sailers, I'd like to thank all the Montgomery owners on the mailing list with who I've come in contact. You've taken the time to answer questions, give me feedback, and make me wish for warmer days. (Of course it's not too hard to wish when you find yourself enduring the worst winter Indiana's had in years and you're buried beneath two-feet of snow!) Thankfully a few days of temps in the 40s and 50s has melted most of the white stuff away, I am looking forward to Spring with even more enthusiasm, and am happy to report that I intend to buy a Montgomery 15 later this year. In case you've forgotten, I had narrowed my choices down to a short list that included the Montgomery 15, the Com-Pac 16 and the Seaward Fox. In a nutshell, the Com-Pac was too slow, the Fox was too expensive, and the Montgomery was just right. All I have left to do is follow a couple leads on used Montgomerys come this Spring, and I'm sittin' pretty. I also haven't ruled out the option of having one built new by Nor'Sea, but that may be a hard sell to my wife, and my checkbook. Speaking of Nor'Sea, I noticed today that several new Montgomery 17 pictures have been posted on the Nor'Sea website (www.norseayachts.com). It appears that Bob Eeg & Company are really dedicated to maintaining the Montgomery reputation of quality, looks and sailability. Lyle Hess would be proud! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rc2222@pacbell.net Subject: M_Boats: varnish Date: 20 Jan 1999 14:05:37 -0800 Doug: I use Man-of-War high gloss varnish purchased @ Orchard Supply Hardware for $ 11.99 a quart. I prefer varnish to cital marine. "Really" is kept under cover when not sailed. I do a light sand with 220 sand paper and a refresher coat each year. Looks terrific all year long. Rich ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Kidd" Subject: Re: M_Boats: varnish Date: 20 Jan 1999 16:48:28 -0800 I don't use Cetol or varnish. For years I fought a losing battle with chipping and flaking varnish. Then I discovered how professional woodworkers finish fine furniture using Watco Danish Oil. I now use Watco Marine Teakwood Finish on all exterior and interior wood surfaces. Watco is a penetrating oil, resin sealer-finish. It works great on most woods like teak, mahogany, walnut, birch, oak... Easy to apply, I wipe it on with a soft cloth. It gives a burnished patina that I find attractive. An optional coat of Watco Satin Wax adds a soft luster and further protects the wood. When the finish begins to dull and darken I mix a strong solution of water and Mr. Clean and scrub the wood with a soft-bristle brush. Wipe on a new coat of Watco and the trim looks like new again. I keep Poco A Poco in the garage but the current Watco Marine Oil finish has lasted almost three years -- and still looks like new. Joe Kidd M-15 207 "Poco A Poco" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TOMMYVAL@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Weather Date: 20 Jan 1999 22:20:24 EST Hi Bill Yes, we are planning a early summer get together, probably mid June. We are thinking of sailing and exploring the lower Potomac River. I keep my 17 at Solomons Island, Md. which is on the Patuxent river. About an 8 hour ride to the mouth of the Potomac. I think some guys will trailer to the Point Lookout State Park and put in there. Right now Im planning on sailing down as I keep the boat in a slip and it is a bit of a pain to take her out and break her down, just as easy to point her south. As we get further along I will keep you posted. We'd love to have you come along. and that goes for all Montgomeryites. Within a few week we will be taking a trip to scout out the area and I'll let you know. Last year we had 4 M boaters and a friend make the scouting trip, its good to see the guys over the winter and we get to talk boats and stop and have a good meal. (Doug if you read this I will be giving you a call when we get it set) Anyway Ill keep you posted. Take Care Gary PS. I believe there is a WWP 19 owner on the list that keeps his boat on the Potomac and of course if your interested let me know, your more than welcome ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: docm Subject: M_Boats: Rudder mod Date: 20 Jan 1999 21:44:32 -0600 Hi gang..Been looking through all the back issues of the Newsletter (my favorite Xmas present this year) and the article from the Spring 96' issue from Chuck Pratt about the kick up rudder he fabricated for his M17, is interesting. It sure looks doable, but haven't noticed much feedback from the group about the subject in general. I look at it as a safety and boat protection device..Didn't I read somewhere that someone ripped the gudgeons out of their transom from a hard grounding ??..Don't know if Chuck's on the list here, but has anybody done a kick up modification on their M17 rudder??..How's it work??...Doc Musekamp, M17,#218 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harvey Wilson Subject: Re: M_Boats: List Usage Date: 20 Jan 1999 22:55:05 -0500 Hi Keith... My thanks along with all the others for your sharing this list with us. = I've learned a lot about my boat from this list, and made many cyber friends. Where else would I turn to to get such a tremendous response to my traile= r wheel nut problems ?? Harvey/ Ga M-17 Stargazer #294 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harvey Wilson Subject: RE: M_Boats: List Usage Date: 20 Jan 1999 22:55:04 -0500 Hi Brian.... >>>feel like an eavesdropper listening in on a couple of good friends having a private conversation.<<< I view this list as a gathering of friends or club members, and I'm circulating around. We're really a nice bunch of people once you get to know us, and how else then by "eavesdropping" ??? If you're getting this list along with others _and_ company E-mail, it ca= n get a bit much. Harvey/ Ga. M-17 Stargazer #294 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grove777@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rudder mod Date: 20 Jan 1999 23:04:37 EST would appreciate details of kickup rudder too...thanks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Eeg Subject: Re: M_Boats: New Montgomery 17 pix! Date: 20 Jan 1999 21:17:03 +0000 Thanks Brian, The Website is indeed getting better. Its surprising how much work goes into planning a good website. This morning it came to life with MUCH more information getting up-loaded. The 17 section came out very nice. More photos also in the 27 area and the new 37 section looks good! I'am glad you've decided on a Montgomery 15 instead of a Compac 16. A Montgomery 15 will out-sail and out perform a Com-pac 16 anyday. A used one will show up and even if you have to drive x-country.......go get it. You won't ever be without help, advise and support because the people on this list (thanx Keith!) are the salt of the earth. (or should I say "sea") Bob Nor'Sea yachts Brian Sweany wrote: > First off, as a "Laser guy" who is fairly new to this world of keels, > sloops and trailer sailers, I'd like to thank all the Montgomery > owners on the mailing list with who I've come in contact. You've taken > the time to answer questions, give me feedback, and make me wish for > warmer days. (Of course it's not too hard to wish when you find > yourself enduring the worst winter Indiana's had in years and you're > buried beneath two-feet of snow!) > > Thankfully a few days of temps in the 40s and 50s has melted most of > the white stuff away, I am looking forward to Spring with even more > enthusiasm, and am happy to report that I intend to buy a Montgomery > 15 later this year. In case you've forgotten, I had narrowed my > choices down to a short list that included the Montgomery 15, the > Com-Pac 16 and the Seaward Fox. In a nutshell, the Com-Pac was too > slow, the Fox was too expensive, and the Montgomery was just right. > All I have left to do is follow a couple leads on used Montgomerys > come this Spring, and I'm sittin' pretty. > I also haven't ruled out the option of having one built new by > Nor'Sea, but that may be a hard sell to my wife, and my checkbook. > > Speaking of Nor'Sea, I noticed today that several new Montgomery 17 > pictures have been posted on the Nor'Sea website > (www.norseayachts.com). It appears that Bob Eeg & Company are really > dedicated to maintaining the Montgomery reputation of quality, looks > and sailability. Lyle Hess would be proud! > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sandyal55@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: M_Boats: varnish Date: 21 Jan 1999 00:41:02 EST This Watco oil sounds like something to try in the future. Sounds easy and durable. Until now I've used Interlux "Schooner" varnish. It holds up in Az which is saying something due to our heat. Sorry guys, it was 68 Deg today and blew 15 mph all day. (Just rubbing in the weather again.) I had to work.(drat) Sandy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bfedw@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rudder mod Date: 21 Jan 1999 08:43:41 EST Hello Doc! I too am interested in the rudder modification. Ben Edwards M17 #217 PS: I have a bent rod from a grounding but fortunately no transom damage. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rc2222@pacbell.net Subject: M_Boats: Chuck McCoy Date: 21 Jan 1999 08:13:58 -0800 Gary: It's my understanding the only M15 Chuck McCoy delivered was to Solomons Island, Maryland. Are you familiar with the M15? If so, how's it holding up? Rich ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randolph I. Palmer" Subject: M_Boats: RE: Sydney-Hobart Race Disaster Date: 21 Jan 1999 15:38:26 -0600 Hi Sailors, Here is a URL for some photos of that Sydney to Hobart race that ended in disaster a couple weeks ago. Here is hoping that these type of storms stay forever out of our lives! http://www.richardbennett.com.au/s2h98/index.html Fair winds, Randy P. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: docm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rudder mod Date: 21 Jan 1999 19:49:08 -0600 Basically, Chuck Pratt's article shows a couple of pictures of his kick up rudder;one showing it mounted and the other showing the rudder disassembled on the ground. Looks like a standard rudder that was modified by being cut into 2 pieces with 1/8" stainless steel cheeks bolted to the fixed upper part, while the lower kick up section pivots on a bolt. Pretty conventional, but the difficult part to describe in writing,is the design of the cut in the wood. It's kind of a semi-circular notch starting at the trailing edge that curves up in an arc and then down, but stops short of the leading edge. That leaves a short piece of the upper rudder section that acts as a kind of "stop" when the rudder's fully down. Obviously, the picture would help, but have no scanner,etc. to get it online. I would guess that Terry Schwarze would be happy to send out copies of that particular issue for a minimal cost. The picture of the assembled rudder looks to utilize line as a pendant or 2 to raise and/or lower the rudder. Can't quite make out how it's configured. Chuck's boat "Freetime" looks to be a real sweetie, with a bimini, full lifelines/stern rail, furler, and Honda 8 all mounted on a EZ Loader trailer. Has anybody else done a kick up mod on a M17 ??..Doc Musekamp, M17,#218 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TOMMYVAL@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rudder mod Date: 21 Jan 1999 20:47:36 EST Hi Guys, Please send any info on the retractable rudder my way as well. We have a few M boaters on the chesapeake bay and sometimes the water is thin. I have spoken with Bob Eeg about the retractable rudder in the past so you might want to touch base with him Im sure he will have some good ideas and also alert all of us to any potential pitfalls. Thanks Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TOMMYVAL@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Chuck McCoy Date: 21 Jan 1999 20:52:29 EST Rich I did hear that he delivered a 15 to the Solomons area but I have yet to see it on the water. Hopefully I'll run into them some time this summer. Has anyone heard any updated news on Chuck and his whereabouts? Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TOMMYVAL@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: New Montgomery 17 pix! Date: 21 Jan 1999 20:59:42 EST Hi Bob How you been? Staying busy I'll bet. As you might know my buddy Greg had a tree fall on his 17 and the mast was bent and the rigging torn up. He now needs to get a new setup. Would he be able to purchase this from you ? If so let me know the details so I can pass it on to Greg. I too think you did a great job on the website. Keep up the good work Hi to Natalie Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David & Nancy Phippeny Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rudder mod Date: 21 Jan 1999 21:27:10 -0600 docm wrote: > > Basically, Chuck Pratt's article shows a couple of pictures of his kick > up rudder;one showing it mounted and the other showing the rudder > disassembled on the ground. Looks like a standard rudder that was > modified by being cut into 2 pieces with 1/8" stainless steel cheeks > bolted to the fixed upper part, while the lower kick up section pivots on > a bolt. Pretty conventional, but the difficult part to describe in > writing,is the design of the cut in the wood. It's kind of a > semi-circular notch starting at the trailing edge that curves up in an > arc and then down, but stops short of the leading edge. That leaves a > short piece of the upper rudder section that acts as a kind of "stop" > when the rudder's fully down. Obviously, the picture would help, but have > no scanner,etc. to get it online. I would guess that Terry Schwarze would > be happy to send out copies of that particular issue for a minimal cost. > The picture of the assembled rudder looks to utilize line as a pendant or > 2 to raise and/or lower the rudder. Can't quite make out how it's > configured. Chuck's boat "Freetime" looks to be a real sweetie, with a > bimini, full lifelines/stern rail, furler, and Honda 8 all mounted on a > EZ Loader trailer. Has anybody else done a kick up mod on a M17 ??..Doc > Musekamp, M17,#218 I have a kick up rudder that the previous owner made. Will take a close look next week and try to describe. He used it for shallow water or motoring in areas of stumps. Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Kelch Subject: M_Boats: Mid-Atlantic rondevouz Date: 22 Jan 1999 17:31:48 -0500 I will participate in a Chesapeak trip again but Abby Gura ( M15 #466) from Long Island has also volunteered to guide a group inside the Long Island barrier islands north of Fire Island if there was any interes= t. Would any one out there be willing to participate in a 1, 2 or 3 night cruise in the this area in June? = Doug "Seas the Day" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Kelch Subject: M_Boats: Rudder mod Date: 22 Jan 1999 17:31:53 -0500 Message text written by INTERNET:montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com >..has anybody done a kick up = modification on their M17 rudder??..How's it work??...Doc Musekamp, = M17,#218< I think I recall a posting from Jerry last year and he indicated that the= reason the M17 wasn't made with one was because of the difficulty of making one strong enough to withstand the high stress on the rudder in heavy weather. = Doug "Seas the Day" = ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Kelch Subject: M_Boats: Chuck McCoy Date: 22 Jan 1999 17:31:43 -0500 Message text written by INTERNET:montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com >Gary: It's my understanding the only M15 Chuck McCoy delivered was to Solomons Island, Maryland. Are you familiar with the M15? If so, how's it holding up? Rich < I was in Cuckold Cr, just inside Half Pone Pt, 2 nm west of Solomons Is VA, in mid September and saw an M15 which looked brand new. I thought at= the time that it must be an excellent restoration project but there were = a couple of oddities. 1) the chain plates were on the cabin sides and not= on the hull. 2) the hull was white but the top two lapstrakes were dark green the the lower two lapstrakes above the water line were dark green. The M15 was at a private slip with no mast or rudder and looked brand new. This may be the "Chuck McCoy" M15. I sailed back in forth in= front of the dock for 15 minutes hopeing someone would come out but no su= ch luck. = Doug "Seas the Day" = ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rc2222@pacbell.net Subject: M_Boats: McCoy Date: 22 Jan 1999 14:35:44 -0800 Gary: Chuck McCoy is operating, once again, as American Standard rowing and sailing dinghies. I have an address and phone number is Washington State. McCoy's signature on the M boats was the top two lapstrakes were a different color than the rest of the hull. If that's the case, you'll have no trouble identifying his M15 in Maryland. Rich ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bownez@juno.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rudder mod Date: 21 Jan 1999 21:42:47 -0600 Doc, That was ME that yanked the middle gudgeon from my transom sailing Lake Petenwell in WI. Yes, a kick-up rudder would have saved me that embarrassment and termination of a fine sailing weekend. I'll have to look at my past newsletters to see if I have that issue. Later Michael "Bones" Bowden M17 #92 BTW, the new Nor'Sea webpage looks fabulous! ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Kelch Subject: RE:M_Boats: Mid-Atlantic rondevouz Date: 22 Jan 1999 20:12:44 -0500 Message text written by INTERNET:montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com > Would any one out there be willing to participate in a 1, 2 or 3 night cruise in the this area in June? = Doug "Seas the Day" < = I should have said, Would any one out there be willing to participate in= a 1, 2 or 3 night cruise in the Fire Island (Long Island) area in July or August? T= he Chesapeak rondevouz is in mid June to avoid the summer doldrums while Fir= e Island has nice steady sea breeze most of the sumner. Thanks again = Doug "Seas the Day" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Burke, Rhonda" Subject: M_Boats: Wanted Monterey 15 Date: 23 Jan 1999 17:16:28 -0800 My name is Mac and I am looking for a used Montgomery 15, preferably in the Portland, OR, Seattle, WA. Pacific Northwest area: northern California also a possibility. Please respond to me at - Home: 503-614-9313 Work: 503-671-1534 E-mail: mac.mclain@nike.com or, my wife, Rhonda at - E-mail: rhonda.burke@intel.com Thanks for any leads you can provide. Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RPELC222@aol.com Subject: M_Boats: first posting Date: 23 Jan 1999 21:17:53 EST Hi, I am Bob in Deltona Fl sailing a Hobie 16 off Daytona and a Oday 22 on Lake Monroe for the last year. Until today I just brought home my 83 M-15 "betelgeuse" sail # 233. I am interested in anything helpful in my sailing of her. ' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vaughn.Austring@MSB.Mat-Su.k12.ak.us (Vaughn Austring) Subject: M_Boats: Rudder mod Date: 24 Jan 1999 05:18:13 -0800 M_Boats: M-17 Rudder Mod After bending several rudderposts (lots of interesting stories there; too bad I'm not a story-teller) I decided to do something before I, too, ripped up my boat's transom, in spite of having already added backing plates at the gudgeon mounting locations. Afraid that I wouldn't be able to easily build a more fully retractable or kick-up system that would withstand the forces on it under normal sailing conditions, I opted to go with a more basic weak-link-breakaway system. Parts: Household type door hinge (marine grade preferable) 3 Flat-head machine screws, nuts, & lock washers to mount a gudgeon to the hinge 3 Flat-head machine screws to replace the gudgeon mounting cap screws 2 Eye-bolts Baling wire, size? (stainless safety wire) Choose a hinge whose size and layout of mounting holes matches the size and layout of the mounting holes of the top gudgeon. Mount the top gudgeon to the hinge so that the leaves of the hinge still fold closed together, and the hinge pin is along the top edge of the assembly. Cut a bit out of the hull-deck joint right above the top gudgeon to provide clearance for the rudderpost when it pivots on that hinge about 45 degrees forward (at the top). Mount the hinge/gudgeon assembly to the transom, hinge pin on the top edge. Cut a slot straight out the back of the middle and lower gudgeons, allowing the rudderpost to be pulled straight out aft, while maintaining the gudgeons' ability to prevent any side-to-side movement. Remount the gudgeons, using an appropriately sized (half as thick as the hinge) shim under the middle gudgeon, and eye-bolts in the center position of both gudgeons. Rig for sailing using short pieces of wire looped through the eye-bolts and around the rudderpost to hold the rudderpost snugly in the gudgeon slots. I always put some extra pieces of wire looped on the bolts, but free of the post, to have ready for rigging if the primary wires give out while under way. I also use a shackle to hold the rudderpost into the lower gudgeon slot in some circumstances. The trick is matching the strength of the attachment to the forces expected, and to the severity of the consequences of an inadvertent release. If you have a strong wire at the lower gudgeon, and hit an obstruction while the rudder is raised, the wire at the middle gudgeon will break first. Then, the rudderpost will bend before the lower wire gives way. If you use too light of an attachment at the lower gudgeon, then the rudder is more likely to break away under just moderate sailing conditions. If it sounds like there's a danger of the rudder breaking free at inopportune times even while under normal conditions, you're right, there is that danger, and it has happened (more exciting stories). When that is a bigger concern than the worry of the rudder hitting something, I use a shackle at the lower gudgeon. BTW, I quit machining the bottom end of my rudderposts long before I came up with the breakaway mod. Instead of machining and drilling the bottom end, I drill two holes at right angles to each other, one above and one below the upper gudgeon. The rudderpost is kept from sliding up or down by hitch pins through the holes. This mod, or something similar, is necessary with this breakaway mod. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Kelch Subject: M_Boats: first posting Date: 24 Jan 1999 12:03:33 -0500 Message text written by INTERNET:montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com >Hi, I am Bob in Deltona Fl sailing a Hobie 16 off Daytona and a Oday 22 = on Lake Monroe for the last year. Until today I just brought home my 83 M-15= "betelgeuse" sail # 233. I am interested in anything helpful in my sailin= g of her. < Welcome aboard Bob. Why don't you tell us about how the Betelgeuse is se= t up and equiped? You can pick up a lot of M15 information from the previo= us postings. Kieth archives them at , http://www.xmission.com:80/~kdiehl/ Where and how did you find the M15? Doug "Seas the Day" M15 #310 = ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EdR2@aol.com Subject: M_Boats: New member Date: 24 Jan 1999 12:32:45 EST Thanks for welcoming me to your mailing list. I have not been sailing for the past 25 years (I am 57) and have decided that I need/want to get back into sailing. In the early '60s and up to the late '70s did a lot of sailing. Raced in Thistles as crew, then owned five boats, beginning with a Flying Tern (14') and ending with a Balboa 20. Favorite boats were an O'day 14' Javelin and O'day Mariner 2+2. Hated the Balboa 20. I am looking for a small, easily trailed boat that is easy to set up and take down, easy to launch and retrieve, for me and my wife and maybe a few friends once in a while. I bought a '98 Ford Ranger with V6 as the first half of this boat last year. I have been reading the mail on the following lists and have learned a lot about several different boats I have been considering: West Wight Potters (I was interested in the P15), Sea Pearl 21, Com-Pac (interested in the Picnic Cat), and your list (interested in the M15). Hope to find a used of anything I eventually get, but am open to a new one if I can be patient enough to save up the money. Will not go into debt as this boat will be my retirement boat and I will be retiring in about seven years. Live very near a lake in Georgia, will be going to Lake Lanier as well, and have a place in St. Augustine, FL where I will be sailing. I have seen a M15 and have always been attracted to it. Seems to be equal to the O'day construction--built like a tank! Maybe I am foolish, but how solidly constructed a boat is tells me if I will enjoy it for a long time. Hope you do not mind that I am not yet an owner, but am learning. For example, I was first taken by the WWP15, until I began seeing some things in the mail that have made me wonder about its quality, speed (don't want to race, but don't want to wonder if I will ever get where I am going), how well it points, and size of the cockpit. Am impressed by the apparent ease of towing and launching, etc. Hope I have not bored you with my bio, but you asked. Look forward to getting to know you "M" people better and who knows, I may soon be one of you. Ed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AirEvacLen@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: New member Date: 24 Jan 1999 14:03:38 EST ED Try looking at a M17............lots more room in the cabin.........and can handle anything you can dish out. Lenny ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy_Watkins@odp.tamu.edu Subject: Re: M_Boats: New member Date: 24 Jan 1999 13:42:07 CST Ed, welcome to the M list. It sounds you are on the right track for a boat selection. If there is someone in your area that owns a M15 or M17 perhaps you can hook up with them. If you come down to Texas I'd be glad to take you out on my M15. My previous boat was a Potter 15 and while P15's have their place and are easy to rig, launch, etc. they don't sail as well as the M15 ( in IMHO ). The cockpit on the M15 is also larger which is nice for a long day. If you could spring for a new one you'd probably enjoy it even as the original owner. Regards, Randy W. _______________________ Reply Separator _______________________ Author: montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com at #Internet Thanks for welcoming me to your mailing list. I have not been sailing for the past 25 years (I am 57) and have decided that I need/want to get back into sailing. In the early '60s and up to the late '70s did a lot of sailing. Raced in Thistles as crew, then owned five boats, beginning with a Flying Tern (14') and ending with a Balboa 20. Favorite boats were an O'day 14' Javelin and O'day Mariner 2+2. Hated the Balboa 20. I am looking for a small, easily trailed boat that is easy to set up and take down, easy to launch and retrieve, for me and my wife and maybe a few friends once in a while. I bought a '98 Ford Ranger with V6 as the first half of this boat last year. I have been reading the mail on the following lists and have learned a lot about several different boats I have been considering: West Wight Potters (I was interested in the P15), Sea Pearl 21, Com-Pac (interested in the Picnic Cat), and your list (interested in the M15). Hope to find a used of anything I eventually get, but am open to a new one if I can be patient enough to save up the money. Will not go into debt as this boat will be my retirement boat and I will be retiring in about seven years. Live very near a lake in Georgia, will be going to Lake Lanier as well, and have a place in St. Augustine, FL where I will be sailing. I have seen a M15 and have always been attracted to it. Seems to be equal to the O'day construction--built like a tank! Maybe I am foolish, but how solidly constructed a boat is tells me if I will enjoy it for a long time. Hope you do not mind that I am not yet an owner, but am learning. For example, I was first taken by the WWP15, until I began seeing some things in the mail that have made me wonder about its quality, speed (don't want to race, but don't want to wonder if I will ever get where I am going), how well it points, and size of the cockpit. Am impressed by the apparent ease of towing and launching, etc. Hope I have not bored you with my bio, but you asked. Look forward to getting to know you "M" people better and who knows, I may soon be one of you. Ed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rc2222@pacbell.net Subject: M_Boats: McCoy Date: 24 Jan 1999 13:35:37 -0800 Re: "Babylon Boatworks". McCoy was probably trying to sell the unfinished M15 which he sent me a picture of together with a note promising delivery in a couple weeks. Rich ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RPELC222@aol.com Subject: M_Boats: Betelgeuse Date: 24 Jan 1999 17:12:52 EST Doug, Thanks for a response I am new to the whole mailing list thing and really did not know how it worked I assume whenever I write the list all subscribers receive it. Maybe you could tell me how to down load archives so I can read them off line every time I try my computer locks up. O well, You asked me to tell about the little boat, Betelgeuse was it's name from a previous owner, it is a star in the Orion Constellation. I found her in the Florida boat trader mag about three months ago. The boat was in Mobile Alabama. I phoned the owner because the boat caught my eye, not knowing anything about the Montgomery line of boats, anyway he was firm at $4200.00 I thought that was steep for a 15' boat so dismissed it as a possibility during the next two months we looked at five or ten boats none tripped our trigger. I kept studying about the M-15 on the web and determined that it was the boat for us. We made the 500 mile trip to Mobile last Thursday and bought the boat for $3500.00 It still seems a little high to me but we are happy. I just finished giving her a sorely needed wash and wax and set up the rig Saturday in the driveway to figure out all the running rig so far so good. Tomorrow I will register it and take the maiden voyage on Lake Monroe Tuesday or Wednesday. I would say on a scale of 1 -10 she is about 7 or 8 white with a dark blue stripe. As far as the equipment it came with a 2 hp Evenrude I hope it will do the job. A main, jib, 180 geni, and storm sail, porta pot, blue vinyl cushions. It also has a vent installed in the fore deck it leaks so I have a job there, also the teak wood all needs refinished I would like some comments on that. I refinished the wood on my Oday with spar varnish but was not happy with the results, has anyone been happy with some other method ? Well, that is about all the typing I can stand for one day Take care and thanks for the response Bob. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Kidd" Subject: Re: M_Boats: Betelgeuse Date: 24 Jan 1999 19:01:17 -0800 Bob, Welcome aboard. Thanks for telling us about Betelqeuse. You'll learn to love her for the fine little sailboat she is. Assuming your M-15 is sound and the trailer is solid, you did OK in the price department. Could it be that your computer locks up because the cache or memory is full? (That's what happened to me...) What kind of vent is mounted in the fore deck? Make sure that water is not getting into the deck's balsa core. Most of the M-boats I've seen came from the factory with oiled teak. I use Watco Marine Teak Oil to keep my teak toerail, etc., in good shape. Joe Kidd M-15 #207 "Poco A Poco" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John&Kris Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailers Date: 24 Jan 1999 21:13:40 -0700 We have a M 17 in Phoenix (Lake Roosevelt) and would love to participate in a M get togther in San Diego this summer. Natalie Bohnet wrote: > Where do the San Diego Montgomery sailors sail the Bay or Mission Bay? We > come over from Tucson quite often for long weekend sails & we have yet to > spy another Montgomery on the water (or in a marina for that matter). Get > sick of racing all the Catalina 22's. > Would love to see another Montgomery out there. > > Natalie & Mike > M17 #365 "Junior" > > At 10:49 PM 1/8/99 -0800, you wrote: > >L. Ingalls wrote: > >> > >> This is an update on "Puppy," my M15. > >> More accurately it is about the trailer. I told you all the horror story > >> of my early attempts at trying to launch and retrieve the boat. Dennis > >> Farrell took pity on me the last time he brought his M15 to San Diego and > >> called me to show he the trailer extender he had installed. It worked > >> well, so did the modification to the bow stop; he'd lowered it six inches > >> to keep the boat's deck from hanging up on the stop when launching. > >> I had a local shop duplicate this on my trailer, but Dennis had warned that > >> with an eight foot extension there was some sage, so I had a three inch > >> receiver installed to accept a two and a half in extension. > >> Tried it yesterday, worked like a dream! No more rope! Yeah! > >> Lee > >> M15 #326 > >> Puppy > > > >Hi Lee, > > Glad to hear you improved your trailer to your satisfaction. I hope to > >see what you did some day. We've been a bit busy lately, but we will > >take you up on your invite to sail. You still storing at Campland? What > >vehicle do you tow with? > >Smooth sailing, > >Fran > > > > > Natalie Bohnet > Director of Finance and Administration > UApresents > University of Arizona > Telephone: (520) 621-3366 > Fax: (520) 621-5753 > email:nohnet@u.arizona.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John&Kris Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted Monterey 15 Date: 24 Jan 1999 21:22:27 -0700 Sailboat shop in Phoenix Arizona has a 17 ' and 15 " for sale.60-894-5494 Burke, Rhonda wrote: > My name is Mac and I am looking for a used Montgomery 15, preferably in the > Portland, OR, Seattle, WA. Pacific Northwest area: northern California also > a possibility. > > Please respond to me at - > > Home: 503-614-9313 > Work: 503-671-1534 > E-mail: mac.mclain@nike.com > > or, my wife, Rhonda at - > > E-mail: rhonda.burke@intel.com > > Thanks for any leads you can provide. > > Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AirEvacLen@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted Monterey 15 Date: 25 Jan 1999 10:21:14 EST Mac I'm in Phoenix and had an M-17, now an M-23..........would you like me to look over those boats at the sailboat shop and give you my opinion? I always like to cruise through there and look at the pre-owned boats, Lenny M-23#003 Sea Horse ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Francene Lebowitz Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted Monterey 15 Date: 25 Jan 1999 13:21:09 -0800 John&Kris wrote: > > Sailboat shop in Phoenix Arizona has a 17 ' and 15 " for sale.60-894-5494 Hi John and Kris, Just checked their web site, home.att.net/~kehgchu/inv.html and found no listing for the 15. Maybe it's kind of new and hasn't made it to the site yet. I'm also looking for a 15. Located in San Diego Cty, Ca. Could you or Lenny get some specs? Thanks, Fran ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SWOGAMAN@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted Monterey 15 Date: 25 Jan 1999 17:27:09 EST Hey guys, what about us getting together and buying new ones? (Bob Eeg only makes three at a time...) Steve Wogaman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Burke, Rhonda" Subject: RE: M_Boats: Wanted Monterey 15 Date: 25 Jan 1999 14:56:00 -0800 Lenny: We would appreciate it. Thanks! Rhonda & Mac -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 7:21 AM Mac I'm in Phoenix and had an M-17, now an M-23..........would you like me to look over those boats at the sailboat shop and give you my opinion? I always like to cruise through there and look at the pre-owned boats, Lenny M-23#003 Sea Horse ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Sweany Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted Monterey 15 Date: 25 Jan 1999 15:11:00 -0800 (PST) Hey Steve, good to hear from you again. I'm still looking at a couple used 15's, but if you think you can get another buyer beside yourself (and if you can wait until July for me to have enough cash for a brand-spanking new one), you know I'd consider being buyer #3! Brian Sweany ---SWOGAMAN@aol.com wrote: > > Hey guys, what about us getting together and buying new ones? (Bob Eeg only > makes three at a time...) > > Steve Wogaman > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Sweany Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted Monterey 15 Date: 25 Jan 1999 15:11:00 -0800 (PST) Hey Steve, good to hear from you again. I'm still looking at a couple used 15's, but if you think you can get another buyer beside yourself (and if you can wait until July for me to have enough cash for a brand-spanking new one), you know I'd consider being buyer #3! Brian Sweany ---SWOGAMAN@aol.com wrote: > > Hey guys, what about us getting together and buying new ones? (Bob Eeg only > makes three at a time...) > > Steve Wogaman > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Eeg Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted Monterey 15 Date: 25 Jan 1999 15:32:19 +0000 Hi Brian and Steve! Hey guys, I might have another M_15 order coming in. How do you like the new information on the Website.(www.norseayachts.com)? If I get 3 orders I could probably talk Jerry Montgomery into coming down to help out. (beer and a place to sleep is all he needs):-)(right Jerry?)(he loves the smell of resin in the morning) Bob Nor'Sea Brian Sweany wrote: > Hey Steve, good to hear from you again. I'm still looking at a couple > used 15's, but if you think you can get another buyer beside yourself > (and if you can wait until July for me to have enough cash for a > brand-spanking new one), you know I'd consider being buyer #3! > > Brian Sweany > > ---SWOGAMAN@aol.com wrote: > > > > Hey guys, what about us getting together and buying new ones? (Bob > Eeg only > > makes three at a time...) > > > > Steve Wogaman > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sandyal55@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: M_Boats: Wanted Monterey 15 Date: 25 Jan 1999 19:20:56 EST To those looking for M boats, The Sailboat Shop's web page has an email site for Tom Errickson, the owner. He often has lines on boats that may not be at his business or on his web page. Write and ask. I've heard that Lenny's old 17 may be on the market soon. The owner may move up to a Catalina 22. SAIL AZ The Sailboat Shop I would also like info on an M boat rendezvous in San Diego. Keep us posted. Sandy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RPELC222@aol.com Subject: M_Boats: 2HP Evenrude Date: 25 Jan 1999 19:30:32 EST Thanks for all the good info not the list I am learning a lot. I was testing out my motor today in a large drum it is older maybe 80 - 85 ? blue and white. It did not shoot a stream of water out to show it was pumping. Was that a feature of this little guy? I have never run one before. If it is supposed to squirt where does it come out at. the only place I can see is the four little exhaust hole. I tend to think this motor is not supposed to squirt. But I don't want to burn it up. Anyone with this how about a reply. Bob # 233 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AirEvacLen@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted Monterey 15 Date: 25 Jan 1999 20:25:34 EST In a message dated 1/25/99 17:22:21 MST, Sandyal55@aol.com writes: << I've heard that Lenny's old 17 may be on the market soon. The owner may move up to a Catalina 22. >> Sandy I didn't hear that...........and I was at the meeting. Better get my hearing checked.......hehe. Lenny ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Sweany Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted Monterey 15 Date: 25 Jan 1999 17:42:42 -0800 (PST) Ahoy Bob! As of about an hour ago I'm looking at three options: (1) Buy one of two used M-15's, but drive no less than 700 or so miles to latch on to either of 'em; (2) Buy a well-maintained '78 Com-Pac 16 for next to nothing that's currently all of two miles from my house; or (3) Bite the bullet and talk to you (and hopefully Jerry--I'll ship a case of Red Stripe if necessary) at Nor'Sea. Like I said in my earlier e-mail to Steve, if the contruction and financing can be worked out to where I'm cutting a check in July, buying new is EXTREMELY tempting to me; feel free to send a message to my personal email to discuss financing possibilities. Anybody on the board care to vote on which of the three options they'd go with? Brian Sweany "Montgomery owner in waiting" ---Robert Eeg wrote: > > Hi Brian and Steve! > Hey guys, I might have another M_15 order coming in. > How do you like the new information on the > Website.(www.norseayachts.com)? > If I get 3 orders I could probably talk Jerry Montgomery > into coming down to help out. (beer and a place to sleep > is all he needs):-)(right Jerry?)(he loves the smell of resin > in the morning) > Bob Nor'Sea > > Brian Sweany wrote: > > > Hey Steve, good to hear from you again. I'm still looking at a couple > > used 15's, but if you think you can get another buyer beside yourself > > (and if you can wait until July for me to have enough cash for a > > brand-spanking new one), you know I'd consider being buyer #3! > > > > Brian Sweany > > > > ---SWOGAMAN@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > Hey guys, what about us getting together and buying new ones? (Bob > > Eeg only > > > makes three at a time...) > > > > > > Steve Wogaman > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Smith Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted Monterey 15 Date: 25 Jan 1999 17:43:35 -0800 AirEvacLen@aol.com wrote: > > Mac > I'm in Phoenix and had an M-17, now an M-23..........would you like me to > look over those boats at the sailboat shop and give you my opinion? Hi Lenny. I'd sure like your opinion of the Ms in Phoenix. I'm looking for a 17, but am very, very patient. Beside, Phoenix is a long way south (I'm in OR). At your convenience... Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Kelch Subject: M_Boats: 2HP Evenrude Date: 25 Jan 1999 20:58:59 -0500 Message text written by INTERNET:montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com >Thanks for all the good info not the list I am learning a lot. I was testing out my motor = today in a large drum it is older maybe 80 - 85 ? blue and white. It did not shoot a stream of water out to show it was pumping. Was that a feature of= this little guy? I have never run one before. If it is supposed to squirt wher= e does it come out at. the only place I can see is the four little exhaust hole. I tend to think this motor is not supposed to squirt. But I don't want to= burn it up. Anyone with this how about a reply. Bob # 233 < Bob, I have a1984, 2 hp Johnson which I am told is exactly the same as= an Evirude. Same manufacturer. I had the pump impeller replaced last ye= ar and when the cooling water was flowing well at the shop you could not se= e the spray clearly but it will soak your hand in an instant. I have the owners manual and it doesn't say anything usefull. It is supposed to be = a heavy, fine spray as opposed to a squirted stream. The mechanic did say that the impellers should be replaced every couple of years just because they can get britle. thanks Doug "Seas the Day" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grove777@aol.com Subject: M_Boats: Fwd: Urban Legend ?? Date: 25 Jan 1999 22:11:31 EST This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_917320292_boundary Content-ID: <0_917320292@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_917320292_boundary Content-ID: <0_917320292@inet_out.mail.vais.net.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-za01.mx.aol.com (rly-za01.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.97]) by air-za01.mail.aol.com (v56.24) with SMTP; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:49:13 -0500 Received: from tscnet.com (tscnet.com [207.227.236.10]) by rly-za01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id UAA14689; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:49:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from list@localhost) by tscnet.com (8.9.2/8.7.3) id RAA28888; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:17:53 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:17:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36AD1780.7C0E7B40@vais.net> X-Accept-Language: en roger killelea , NORM HANSON X-Subliminal-Message: Please do not place attachments X-Mailer: to messages in the list. Resent-Message-ID: <"99v1v.0.J37.0VHhs"@tscnet.com> Resent-From: wwpotter@tscnet.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7867 X-Loop: wwpotter@tscnet.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: wwpotter-request@tscnet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Forwarded from a friend who subscribes to Newsgroup: rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors.... "We couldn't make up stuff like this if we tried." Earlier this summer, down on Lake Isabella, located in the high desert, an hour east of Bakersfield, a fellow new to boating was having a problem. No matter how hard he tried, he just couldn't get his brand new 22-ft Bayliner to perform. It wouldn't get on a plane at all, and was very sluggish in almost every maneuver, no matter how much power he supplied. After about an hour of trying to make it go, he putted over to a nearby marina. Maybe they could tell him what was wrong. A thorough topside check revealed everything was in perfect working order. The engine ran fine, the outdrive went up and down, the prop was the correct size and pitch. So, one of the marina guys jumped in the water to check underneath. He came up choking on water, he was laughing so hard. Under the boat, still strapped securely in place, was the trailer. Bob email: rwalter7@aol.com --part0_917320292_boundary-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy_Watkins@odp.tamu.edu Subject: Re: M_Boats: 2HP Evenrude Date: 25 Jan 1999 21:44:41 CST Bob, Most Evinrude or Johnson shops will give it a going over and grease it, etc for a reasonable price and could check it over for you. Regards, Randy W. _______________________ Reply Separator _______________________ Author: montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com at #Internet Thanks for all the good info not the list I am learning a lot. I was testing out my motor today in a large drum it is older maybe 80 - 85 ? blue and white. It did not shoot a stream of water out to show it was pumping. Was that a feature of this little guy? I have never run one before. If it is supposed to squirt where does it come out at. the only place I can see is the four little exhaust hole. I tend to think this motor is not supposed to squirt. But I don't want to burn it up. Anyone with this how about a reply. Bob # 233 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy_Watkins@odp.tamu.edu Subject: Re[2]: M_Boats: Wanted Monterey 15 Date: 25 Jan 1999 21:47:37 CST Brian, I'd go for the new one if you swing it. Randy W. M15# 194 _______________________ Reply Separator _______________________ Author: montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com at #Internet Ahoy Bob! As of about an hour ago I'm looking at three options: (1) Buy one of two used M-15's, but drive no less than 700 or so miles to latch on to either of 'em; (2) Buy a well-maintained '78 Com-Pac 16 for next to nothing that's currently all of two miles from my house; or (3) Bite the bullet and talk to you (and hopefully Jerry--I'll ship a case of Red Stripe if necessary) at Nor'Sea. Like I said in my earlier e-mail to Steve, if the contruction and financing can be worked out to where I'm cutting a check in July, buying new is EXTREMELY tempting to me; feel free to send a message to my personal email to discuss financing possibilities. Anybody on the board care to vote on which of the three options they'd go with? Brian Sweany "Montgomery owner in waiting" ---Robert Eeg wrote: > > Hi Brian and Steve! > Hey guys, I might have another M_15 order coming in. > How do you like the new information on the > Website.(www.norseayachts.com)? > If I get 3 orders I could probably talk Jerry Montgomery > into coming down to help out. (beer and a place to sleep > is all he needs):-)(right Jerry?)(he loves the smell of resin > in the morning) > Bob Nor'Sea > > Brian Sweany wrote: > > > Hey Steve, good to hear from you again. I'm still looking at a couple > > used 15's, but if you think you can get another buyer beside yourself > > (and if you can wait until July for me to have enough cash for a > > brand-spanking new one), you know I'd consider being buyer #3! > > > > Brian Sweany > > > > ---SWOGAMAN@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > Hey guys, what about us getting together and buying new ones? (Bob > > Eeg only > > > makes three at a time...) > > > > > > Steve Wogaman > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephen gray Subject: Re: M_Boats: 2HP Evenrude Date: 26 Jan 1999 04:29:07 +0000 At 07:30 PM 1/25/99 EST, you wrote: >Thanks for all the good info not the list I am learning a lot. I was testing >out my motor >today in a large drum it is older maybe 80 - 85 ? blue and white. It did not >shoot a stream of water out to show it was pumping. Was that a feature of this >little guy? I have never run one before. If it is supposed to squirt where >does it come out at. the only place I can see is the four little exhaust hole. >I tend to think this motor is not supposed to squirt. But I don't want to burn >it up. Anyone with this how about a reply. >Bob # 233 > > I have an older (Mid. 70's) Evinrude 2 h.p. outboard in my garage. It came from a small boat I bought back east this summer. I would assume it is the same model as your's...blue & white, 4 small exhaust holes. If you have the same model you are correct, it's not supposed to squirt water, it's air cooled. My Evinrude 3 H.P. is water cooled (Mid. 90's) and you can clearly see the water intake and discharge. The Evinrude's use a letter in the serial number for the date code, if you call your local dealer they can advise you as to the year and cooling method. The older model Evinrude outboards run forever and there are some advantages to owning an air cooled outboard. Hope this helps! Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Diehlman" Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted Monterey 15 Date: 25 Jan 1999 20:43:34 -0800 Bob, You have really upgraded the Nor'sea website. My only negative comment is that I have ruined a perfectly good keyboard, by drooling. Dan -----Original Message----- >Hi Brian and Steve! >Hey guys, I might have another M_15 order coming in. >How do you like the new information on the >Website.(www.norseayachts.com)? >If I get 3 orders I could probably talk Jerry Montgomery >into coming down to help out. (beer and a place to sleep >is all he needs):-)(right Jerry?)(he loves the smell of resin >in the morning) >Bob Nor'Sea > >Brian Sweany wrote: > >> Hey Steve, good to hear from you again. I'm still looking at a couple >> used 15's, but if you think you can get another buyer beside yourself >> (and if you can wait until July for me to have enough cash for a >> brand-spanking new one), you know I'd consider being buyer #3! >> >> Brian Sweany >> >> ---SWOGAMAN@aol.com wrote: >> > >> > Hey guys, what about us getting together and buying new ones? (Bob >> Eeg only >> > makes three at a time...) >> > >> > Steve Wogaman >> > >> > >> >> _________________________________________________________ >> DO YOU YAHOO!? >> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Larry Barkhuff Subject: M_Boats: 2HP Evenrude Date: 26 Jan 1999 01:19:47 -0500 RE the motor that doesn't pee.....sometimes a small bit of garbage can ge= t into the little squirter....use a small piece of wire or broom straw and push into the tube and be sure it isn't plugged.......Larry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grove777@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: 2HP Evenrude Date: 26 Jan 1999 08:35:55 EST do you have a recommendation for older men with similar problems??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SWOGAMAN@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted Monterey 15 Date: 26 Jan 1999 09:07:10 EST Brian - (& Bob) - I'd vote for new, I think... Owning a 20+ year old boat would make me nervous, and 10 years of modest payments on a boat this good might be cheaper than 10 years of maintenance on an older boat, with more to show for it at the tail end. ("A boat is a hole in the water into which you pour money!") Bob just sent me two photos of a 17, and has me sorely, sorely tempted. [Bob - any photos of a 15? The 17 $ is a bit of a stretch...]. Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Fisher Subject: Re: M_Boats: 2HP Evenrude Date: 26 Jan 1999 08:10:13 -0700 the straw always works for me. Grove777@aol.com wrote: > do you have a recommendation for older men with similar problems??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "L. Ingalls" Subject: M_Boats: San Diego Date: 26 Jan 1999 08:24:02 -0800 A get together in San Diego sounds like great fun, too bad I'll miss it. We are reading for a move to Washington state, the Seattle area, so I'm only able to sneak "Puppy" out between box packing. But we did take off a enough time to give "Puppy" is first ocean sail (last week). What a rush! Best of luck to you all on a San Diego meet. I'll stay with the list until the last minute, then be off until we're settled and have a new server. Bob, the new web page looks great. You really know how to temp a guy. Lee #326 "Puppy" work out At 09:13 PM 1/24/1999 -0700, you wrote: >We have a M 17 in Phoenix (Lake Roosevelt) and would love to participate in a M >get togther in San Diego this summer. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AirEvacLen@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted Monterey 15 Date: 26 Jan 1999 12:20:13 EST In a message dated 1/26/99 07:08:25 MST, SWOGAMAN@aol.com writes: << Owning a 20+ year old boat would make me nervous, >> Steve Anyone not wanting their 20 yr old Montgomery please feel free to call me...........collect. It may take a while, but someday, you will appreciate the finer things in life.............. Lenny ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AirEvacLen@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted Montgomery 15 Date: 26 Jan 1999 12:20:12 EST In a message dated 1/25/99 18:45:39 MST, tjsmith@oregontrail.net writes: << Hi Lenny. I'd sure like your opinion of the Ms in Phoenix. I'm looking for a 17, but am very, very patient. Beside, Phoenix is a long way south (I'm in OR). At your convenience... Tom >> Tom Yeah, I know...............but this is the best time of the year to visit Phoenix. We'll see if we can arrange a sail demo if you come down. Sail the boat, buy the baot, take it home with a suntan..........hehe. Be the envy of everybody on your block....... Lenny ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Art Fuller" Subject: M_Boats: Unsubscribe Date: 26 Jan 1999 10:14:12 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE4914.9EFE6BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unsuscribe: =20 I have tried to unsubscribe several times Someone please do it for me or = tell me how. 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Tom >> >> Tom Don't know if you got the other e-mail I ( think ) I sent out..........the 'puter at work does it's own thing at times.........howevever, I just came back from a visit to The Sailboat Shop in tempe. I looked through the yard, front and rear and did not find any M-boats.........I talked to Tom, one of the owners( and a member of our local sailing club) about the phantom boats and he said he HAD a 17 a couple of weeks ago, but it was in and out in a matter of days,,,,,,,,,( they go fast)........if you're interested they are on aol............ Lenny ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RPELC222@aol.com Subject: M_Boats: (no subject) Date: 26 Jan 1999 18:07:37 EST Doug, and others thanks for the help on my motor squirt problem, I talked to a mechanic and he said a light spray is proper, I am getting that so I will take the maiden voyage tomorrow with my wife on Lake Monroe. I worked all day today on getting her ready. I took my leaky vent apart got a new flange with lid and bedded it with 5200 will put the screws in tomorrow too. All I have left to be ship shape is the teak refinish. Thanks for the tips on that, I 'm going to try the cetol Boats US has it on sail for $22.00 qt. I need one more vital bit of info before tomorrow morning, question is this, on the 2 HP evenrude is the oil to gas ratio 50 to1 I have no idea? I am going to change the impeller next week for safety sake. Any M boat owner out there around central Florida, I'd like to hear from you. Bob M-15 # 233 Florida ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Theo Subject: M_Boats: M17 for sail Date: 26 Jan 1999 17:47:49 -0600 Hello group! Great exchanges as of late, sure helps up here in the great white north. Just wanted to make another shameless sales pitch for my M17. I've created an electronic brochure of sorts. If anyone is interested, please e-mail me at: theonac@mn.uswest.net. Tough to part with the classic Hess design, but the size is starting to matter!! Cheers! Theo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Kelch Subject: Ref:M_Boats: (no subject) Date: 26 Jan 1999 19:00:03 -0500 Message text written by INTERNET:montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com >< The oil to gas mixture for my 1984 2 hp Johnson is 50:1. The book says 100:1 but my mechanic says that there was an offical recall and the recomendation is 50:1. Good Sailing Doug "Seas the Day" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AirEvacLen@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 for sail Date: 26 Jan 1999 18:47:26 EST In a message dated 1/26/99 4:43:56 PM US Mountain Standard Time, theonac@uswest.net writes: << Hello group! Great exchanges as of late, sure helps up here in the great white north. >> Hey Theo And just where is the Great White North.....hehe Lenny ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bownez@juno.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted Monterey 15 Date: 26 Jan 1999 19:41:58 -0600 Hi Bob, Just wanted to say how much I enjoy your new webpage. Beautiful and informative! Looks like I will be in LA come April. I would love to tour the NorSea birthplace and meet you (If you work on Mondays!). Keep up the great work. Michael "Bones" Bowden M17 #92 Future NS27 owner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bownez@juno.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted Monterey 15 Date: 26 Jan 1999 19:50:31 -0600 Steve, My M17 is over 20 years old and sails like a dream. I have a few nicks and spiderweb cracks here and there but the boat is very seaworthy. Don't let age of hull keep you from a Montgomery. Good luck Michael "Bones" Bowden ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Eeg Subject: M_Boats: Re:Montgomery 15 and 17 Date: 26 Jan 1999 19:53:22 +0000 New website for M_15 and M_17. WWW.NorseaYachts.com Enjoy Bb Nor'SeaYachts (949)489-8227 coxenr@juno.com wrote: > I AM LOOK FOR A MONTGOMERY 15 OR 17 TO PURACASE IF ANYONE GETS THIS > MESSAGE WHO KNOWS OF PLEASE E MAIL ME AT > COXENR@JUNO.COM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Eeg Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted Monterey 15 Date: 26 Jan 1999 20:11:51 +0000 Michael Your welcome anytime. Just call or email to arrange the time. Mondays are fine but we prefer saturdays if you can make it.(if not, no big deal). Keep in touch Bob Nor'Sea bownez@juno.com wrote: > Hi Bob, > > Just wanted to say how much I enjoy your new webpage. Beautiful and > informative! > Looks like I will be in LA come April. I would love to tour the NorSea > birthplace and meet you (If you work on Mondays!). > Keep up the great work. > > Michael "Bones" Bowden > M17 #92 > Future NS27 owner > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harvey Wilson Subject: Re[2]: M_Boats: Wanted Monterey 15 Date: 26 Jan 1999 23:22:46 -0500 Hi Brian... # years ago (come May) I drovew 700 miles to Ft. Myers, Fla. to get my 19= 79 Montgomery 17. My only regret was I didn't do it sooner. (or get the M-23 I later found the next year as well) Older Montgomeries hold up very well. Well worth it even if you have to spend a few $$$$ to fix up. Compac 16's, unless they're the centerboard model, are great for floating= around, but do not go to windward very well. Be sure it has a good motor= . Harvey/ Ga. M-17 Stargazer #294 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Walter" Subject: M_Boats: Hello - M17 Hull No. 39 returning to service Date: 27 Jan 1999 03:21:29 -0500 Hi, Been reading the archives for a couple of days and, as you will see below, just had to subscribe. re 20 year old boats; naw, make mine 25 years old. Two of my habits are reading the local newspaper each day and, lately, as part of that, scanning the Sailboats For Sale classifieds. Sunday, it finally paid off :-) "17' Montgomery, fiberglas lapstrake, centerboard, sleeps 3, sails, trailer, $1,000" As you might imagine, I could not get to the phone fast enough. I've been boatless since 1995 when I sold "Bridget", a Westerly Berwick 31. She was a nice boat, but simply too large and definitely too expensive to maintain and berth. I had been looking to buy a Compac 16 when I fell in love with Bridget in 1991. Common sense flew out the window as the second mortgage flew in and the Westerly followed me home to Key West. By 1995, having moved to Vero Beach (and left my free dock behind), a boat-inspired bankrupcy was knocking on the door. I came to my senses and Bridget left with another. The first couple of boatless years weren't so bad, but I've had the itch for about a year now and have had to watch every boat I've been interested in (Slipper 17, Sovereign 18, West Wight Potter, Siren 17, Drascombes, and Victoria 18) drift way outside my miniscul budget. Well, finally, the gods have smiled (or are they laughing - time will tell) and I've found the boat that I should have bought in 1991. The Montgomery 17 was not included in the above list of boats, not because I did not want one, but because after reading(?) the Florida Sailboat Trader for several years, I can't remember ever seeing one listed before. To trip over one in my local paper still sort of stuns me. Well, to make a long story longer, what did I get for $1,000? The boat is a 1974, Hull #39, three berth layout. I bought it from the original owner. He brought the boat to Florida when he retired. He had originally purchased it and sailed it in Oshkosh, WI, where his son had been the Montgomery dealer. At 82, and with recent heart surgery, he simply could no longer use it. And, judging from its condition, he really has not used it for several years. But, from what I have seen so far, all major components are present, the mast and hull are sound. The deck is surprisingly free of crazing and feels solid. The topside wood is probably original, has not been attended to for some time, and is probably not salvageable (certainly the hatchboards). Sails are the original main and working jib, and a later genoa. They seem to have some life left, at least enough to get us started. Cushions are covered in red vinyl, also appear original and are still usable. The backstay/bridle succumbed to a lawnmower, so if anyone has those measurements??? Aside from the near complete refitting / fitting out effort that comes with a boat that has not been used in a while, the two major problem areas are the trailer and the centerboard. Both are rust city. The trailer appears to be salvageable, the welder will let me know how expensive that will be tomorrow. The centerboard may be another story. The centerboard winch has rusted off its mount and will have to be remounted. The centerboard itself (the boat is currently on blocks) is very heavily rusted. Saturday, we will see if we can drop it completely free of the boat. Assuming there is enough of it left after I chip all the rust away, I thought I might glass it over to fair the surface. Anyone tried that?? If its unsalvageable, what's the hot poop on making a replacement centerboard?? Anyone got drawings of what its supposed to look like?? Well, enough for now, Bob PS - if any of those answers are in the archives, could you point me at the right month? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Sweany Subject: M_Boats: Used Montgomerys/Com-Pacs Date: 27 Jan 1999 06:24:49 -0800 (PST) Well, my decision continues to be difficult. I took a look at that '78 Com-Pac 16 late last night and have to say it was beautifully preserved. Interior was completely redone last summer, the owner had just bought five new sails for her, no visible cracks in the gelcoat, trailer was in great shape, etc. After looking at used swing-keel Catalinas, Precisions and Starwinds, however, I have to say something in the Com-Pac's favor: Although they don't go to weather well because of the shoal draft, this solid keel also conversely makes for less maintenance and wear on older boats. I'll be taking another look at her Friday morning to see what she looks like in the sunlight, then if this unusually warm Indiana weather holds out we might take a test-sail this weekend. Again, in a perfect world I'd buy a Montgomery. But even then, I don't know if I could find a well-maintained used Montgomery, in the middle of Indiana, that the owner's willing to part with for $2K. Stay tuned. . . _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TEHowe@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Used Montgomerys/Com-Pacs Date: 27 Jan 1999 11:27:56 EST Brian, I own a ComPac 16 along with a M17. The compac was the first trailerable that I bought, and it was fine for it's intended purpose, that was to get me on the water and allow me to keep it in the backyard,. I spent a few nights sleeping aboard, and it was similar to sleeping in a pup tent. This was ok, I didn't expect much more. I could get out of the rain, and could squeeze some friends in with me in a pinch, but squeeze and pinch are the appropriate terms! I couldn't help admiring the M17 in the storage lot at the lake, and tried to find out more about her. I was sidetracked by a Victoria 18 whose lines were beautiful, bought her to add to the ComPac. The Compac had gobs more room, and the Victoria was prettier. I sailed them both pretty much equally. A friend of mine asked me to go in on a Catalina 22- I had the $ and he had the requisite time to bring her to good sailing condition. My fleet grew. I had also aquired a laser in the mix, fun, fast, but solo only. I continued to admire that Montgomery. One day, while perusing the paper, I saw the ad. Sailboat for sale, 1978 Montgomery 17. I called immediately, it was the one I had watched for years, and the deal was done. after about 4 months of equipment rehab, I was using Osprey exclusively. The Victoria, because of her beauty, was admired and borrowed by several of my friends, the Catalina was being used by my partner, and the Compac sat covered by a green tarp in the field. I would take her out 2 or 3 times a year, just so she wouldn't atrophy, but I couldn't help comparing her to the Montgomery. The M17 has about twice the space, sails to wind much better, has much more user friendly layout, and looks far saltier. It's worth the wait to find one that you can afford. good luck.Thomas Howe. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Sweany Subject: Re: M_Boats: Used Montgomerys/Com-Pacs Date: 27 Jan 1999 09:44:14 -0800 (PST) Thomas-- New M-17's are a bit out of my price range, not to mention my smaller-than-average tow vehicle (a '99 Subaru Outback) keeps even the nicely priced used ones off my list. If I were to buy a Monty, it'd be a 15, which unlike your circumstances would not necessarily mean a drastic jump UP from the Com-Pac 16. When I first mentioned to a sailing friend of mine that I was thinking of moving from my $200 board boat to the world of $10,000+ trailersailers, he gave me a sound piece of advice that was echoed by someone today on the Trailer Sailor message board. He said, "Buy a decent used boat until you sort out your priorities for your own sailing needs." "Priorities" is the operative word here. In the last year-and-a-half I've built a house, bought my wife a new car, built a screenporch/sun deck addition on to my new home, and in August my wife and I welcomed our first child into the world. This summer I plan to finish the sealing and trimwork on the porch, buy myself a new car, contract someone to finish my basement, and be an attentive Dad to my new daughter. When all is said and done I may not even be able to afford the time and expense of trailer sailing. My point being, why not buy a solid used boat for a very minimum expense, decide whether or not it's for me and my family, and go from there. If I LOVE it (which is my hope), I suspect I'll soon yearn for a bigger and faster boat like the M-17, but in the meantime I can slowly "break in" my wife on a sailboat that's as stable and forgiving as it is slow. If "the love" just isn't there, I sell the boat for what I paid for it, then pick up a nice used Laser for my own personal use. Do I wish that there was a Montgomery sitting in my neighbor's garage instead of a Com-Pac to gauge my trailersailer skills? You bet your posterior! But so is life. And to be fair, I don't know if I'd say the Monty is "FAR saltier looking than the Com-Pac". Don't get me wrong, I DO think the Montgomery is a better looking boat and the lapstrake-look is definitely on the salty side. However, I'd also argue that the round portals and classic cabin on the Com-Pac 16, 19, and 23 are much saltier-looking than the irregular plexiglass and raked cabin on the Montgomery 15 and 17. Thanks for all the feedback. The way I see it I'm only 27, and there's plenty of time in this lifetime for me to find a Montgomery or for a Montgomery to find me. Fair winds! Brian Sweany Indianapolis, IN ---TEHowe@aol.com wrote: > > Brian, I own a ComPac 16 along with a M17. The compac was the first > trailerable that I bought, and it was fine for it's intended purpose, that was > to get me on the water and allow me to keep it in the backyard,. I spent a few > nights sleeping aboard, and it was similar to sleeping in a pup tent. This was > ok, I didn't expect much more. I could get out of the rain, and could squeeze > some friends in with me in a pinch, but squeeze and pinch are the appropriate > terms! I couldn't help admiring the M17 in the storage lot at the lake, and > tried to find out more about her. I was sidetracked by a Victoria 18 whose > lines were beautiful, bought her to add to the ComPac. The Compac had gobs > more room, and the Victoria was prettier. I sailed them both pretty much > equally. A friend of mine asked me to go in on a Catalina 22- I had the $ and > he had the requisite time to bring her to good sailing condition. My fleet > grew. I had also aquired a laser in the mix, fun, fast, but solo only. I > continued to admire that Montgomery. One day, while perusing the paper, I saw > the ad. Sailboat for sale, 1978 Montgomery 17. I called immediately, it was > the one I had watched for years, and the deal was done. after about 4 months > of equipment rehab, I was using Osprey exclusively. The Victoria, because of > her beauty, was admired and borrowed by several of my friends, the Catalina > was being used by my partner, and the Compac sat covered by a green tarp in > the field. I would take her out 2 or 3 times a year, just so she wouldn't > atrophy, but I couldn't help comparing her to the Montgomery. The M17 has > about twice the space, sails to wind much better, has much more user friendly > layout, and looks far saltier. It's worth the wait to find one that you can > afford. good luck.Thomas Howe. > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Kidd" Subject: Re: M_Boats: Hello - M17 Hull No. 39 returning to service Date: 27 Jan 1999 09:47:24 -0800 Bob, Congratulations on you M-17 find. Occasionally even a blind dog finds a bone. At last someone purchased a Montgomery for less than I paid for mine. I'll still be "Captain Kidd," but from now on you're the bloody pirate! Welcome aboard! Joe Kidd M-15 #207 "Poco A Poco" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grove777@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: M_Boats: Hello - M17 Hull No. 39 returning to service Date: 27 Jan 1999 12:58:20 EST ...sorry but got 15 for 300 and 17 for 500 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grove777@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: M_Boats: Used Montgomerys/Com-Pacs Date: 27 Jan 1999 13:00:16 EST yahweh says...buy used everytime and save the rest ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grove777@aol.com Subject: M_Boats: cdi roller furler Date: 27 Jan 1999 13:01:48 EST ...what size cdi roller furler isrecommended for a monty 17 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Francene Lebowitz Subject: Re: M_Boats: Hello - M17 Hull No. 39 returning to service Date: 27 Jan 1999 10:22:25 -0800 Grove777@aol.com wrote: > > ...sorry but got 15 for 300 and 17 for 500 Please translate, Grove777. Thanks, Fran ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Weir Subject: RE: M_Boats: cdi roller furler Date: 27 Jan 1999 13:32:56 -0600 It is called the MiniFurl(er). I got one from JSI and paid about $250 for the gear and $250 for modifying the sail. Including shipping. Works great!! Briasn L. WEIR -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 12:02 PM ...what size cdi roller furler isrecommended for a monty 17 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AirEvacLen@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: THIEF, THIEF Date: 27 Jan 1999 16:04:06 EST In a message dated 1/27/99 11:09:03 MST, Grove777@aol.com writes: << ...sorry but got 15 for 300 and 17 for 500 >> G-o-o-d G-a-w-d M a-a-a n,,,,,,,,,,,,have you no self respect?????????? Lenny ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Weir Subject: RE: M_Boats: THIEF, THIEF Date: 27 Jan 1999 15:22:46 -0600 Did he BUY the two boats for those respective amounts of money? -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 3:04 PM In a message dated 1/27/99 11:09:03 MST, Grove777@aol.com writes: << ...sorry but got 15 for 300 and 17 for 500 >> G-o-o-d G-a-w-d M a-a-a n,,,,,,,,,,,,have you no self respect?????????? Lenny ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RPELC222@aol.com Subject: M_Boats: First M- Boat Sail Date: 27 Jan 1999 19:24:10 EST Hi list, Just a quick note, got back safe and sound had a ball, only 5-10 breeze got to use the Genoa the whole day. The boat sailed great no leaks, we were somewhat dis organized, took about an hour to get set up and in the lake. 45 min to take down. It was a beautiful day sunny and 80 degrees. I can see it will take us a little getting used to as far as the movement of the boat side to side while we move around, the Oday 22 was not effected by our weight very much. The 2 HP Evenrude did fine the little bit we used it except the top cover vibrates and sounds like a threshing machine until I put my hand on the set screw on top then it is purring like a kitten. I tried to tighten the set screw and the motor died and the recoil on the start rope would not retract so I loosed it some it retracted and started bout the noise was back. Oh well I just have a few bugs to work out. How about some advice on the use of the center board that's all new to me. Also what is the line and block on the side of the boom for. There is 1 turning block aft and 2 clam cleats forward on the starboard side is that something all M-15's have, is it something to do with the outhaul? Bob M-15 # 233 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grove777@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: M_Boats: THIEF, THIEF Date: 27 Jan 1999 21:00:52 EST u bet your boobies bubba ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Kelch Subject: M_Boats: First M- Boat Sail Date: 27 Jan 1999 21:06:24 -0500 Message text written by INTERNET:montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com >Also what is the line and block on the side of the boom for. There is 1 turning block aft and 2 clam cleats forward on the starboard side is that something all M-15's have, is it something to do with the outhaul? = Bob M-15 # 233< Congratulations on the first sail. They are always a thrill no mater wha= t the conditions. There are a couple of possiblities for the clam cleats and turning block.= ( by the way what is a clam cleat? I have heard of cam cleats and jamb cleats.) = The turning block - if it is at the far end of the boom it could be for = a boom topping lift - if ther is there a pad eye at the top of the mast as well this is a good possiblity. The toping lift line would run from the p= ad eye on the mast through the turning block to the cleat . I run my toping lift from a cleat on the mast through a turning block on the mast to a pad eye on the boom but it works either way. If the tuning block is farther inboard and the sail has reef points che= ck and see if the turning block is about 45 deg angle in back of the reef point on the leech when the sail is in the reefed position. If so the bo= om on the opposite side of the turning block should have a pad eye. The jif= fy reefing line runs from the pad eye through the reef point , through the turning block and to the cleat. The remaining cleat is probably for the out haul. The outhaul line would= run from the sail through some form of a block and tackle ( possible onl = y = a single small block) to the cleat. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grove777@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: M_Boats: THIEF, THIEF Date: 27 Jan 1999 21:00:01 EST paid the full asking price w/no questions asked...15 included 2 outboards, 2 sets of sails, tiller master, and much expensive equip...and so it goes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harvey Wilson Subject: Ref:M_Boats: (no subject) Date: 27 Jan 1999 21:18:43 -0500 Hi Doug... I have an '87 evinrude, 8hp. Manual says 100-1 like yours, but the Evinrude tech support folks say to use 50-1 for heavy duty use, but no le= ss then 75-1 for light use. I compromise by adding 2 oz. of Quaker State synthetic OB oil, per gallon= (65-1??) I then use fogging oil when I put it up for the winter. I also found an old Seagull that I converted to 25-1 mix, but use it at 20-1 to be safe. Harvey/ Ga. M-17 Stargazer #294 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POSTMASTER" Subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Date: 27 Jan 1999 18:22 -0800 Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: Ref:M_Boats: (no subject) Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Hi Doug... I have an '87 evinrude, 8hp. Manual says 100-1 like yours, but the Evinrude tech support folks say to use 50-1 for heavy duty use, but no less then 75-1 for light use. I compromise by adding 2 oz. of Quaker State synthetic OB oil, per gallon (65-1??) I then use fogging oil when I put it up for the winter. I also found an old Seagull that I converted to 25-1 mix, but use it at 20-1 to be safe. Harvey/ Ga. M-17 Stargazer #294 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grove777@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: M_Boats: Hello - M17 Hull No. 39 returning to service Date: 27 Jan 1999 21:05:28 EST u know!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POSTMASTER" Subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Date: 27 Jan 1999 18:25 -0800 Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: Ref:M_Boats: (no subject) Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Hi Doug... I have an '87 evinrude, 8hp. Manual says 100-1 like yours, but the Evinrude tech support folks say to use 50-1 for heavy duty use, but no less then 75-1 for light use. I compromise by adding 2 oz. of Quaker State synthetic OB oil, per gallon (65-1??) I then use fogging oil when I put it up for the winter. I also found an old Seagull that I converted to 25-1 mix, but use it at 20-1 to be safe. Harvey/ Ga. M-17 Stargazer #294 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POSTMASTER" Subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Date: 27 Jan 1999 18:30 -0800 Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: Re: Re: M_Boats: Hello - M17 Hull No. 39 returning to servi Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- u know!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POSTMASTER" Subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Date: 27 Jan 1999 18:30 -0800 Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: Ref:M_Boats: (no subject) Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Hi Doug... I have an '87 evinrude, 8hp. Manual says 100-1 like yours, but the Evinrude tech support folks say to use 50-1 for heavy duty use, but no less then 75-1 for light use. I compromise by adding 2 oz. of Quaker State synthetic OB oil, per gallon (65-1??) I then use fogging oil when I put it up for the winter. I also found an old Seagull that I converted to 25-1 mix, but use it at 20-1 to be safe. Harvey/ Ga. M-17 Stargazer #294 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POSTMASTER" Subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Date: 27 Jan 1999 18:33 -0800 Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: Re: Re: M_Boats: Hello - M17 Hull No. 39 returning to servi Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- u know!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POSTMASTER" Subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Date: 27 Jan 1999 18:33 -0800 Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: Ref:M_Boats: (no subject) Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Hi Doug... I have an '87 evinrude, 8hp. Manual says 100-1 like yours, but the Evinrude tech support folks say to use 50-1 for heavy duty use, but no less then 75-1 for light use. I compromise by adding 2 oz. of Quaker State synthetic OB oil, per gallon (65-1??) I then use fogging oil when I put it up for the winter. I also found an old Seagull that I converted to 25-1 mix, but use it at 20-1 to be safe. Harvey/ Ga. M-17 Stargazer #294 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POSTMASTER" Subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Date: 27 Jan 1999 18:36 -0800 Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: Re: Re: M_Boats: Hello - M17 Hull No. 39 returning to servi Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- u know!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POSTMASTER" Subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Date: 27 Jan 1999 18:36 -0800 Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: Ref:M_Boats: (no subject) Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Hi Doug... I have an '87 evinrude, 8hp. Manual says 100-1 like yours, but the Evinrude tech support folks say to use 50-1 for heavy duty use, but no less then 75-1 for light use. I compromise by adding 2 oz. of Quaker State synthetic OB oil, per gallon (65-1??) I then use fogging oil when I put it up for the winter. I also found an old Seagull that I converted to 25-1 mix, but use it at 20-1 to be safe. Harvey/ Ga. M-17 Stargazer #294 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POSTMASTER" Subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Date: 27 Jan 1999 18:38 -0800 Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: Ref:M_Boats: (no subject) Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Hi Doug... I have an '87 evinrude, 8hp. Manual says 100-1 like yours, but the Evinrude tech support folks say to use 50-1 for heavy duty use, but no less then 75-1 for light use. I compromise by adding 2 oz. of Quaker State synthetic OB oil, per gallon (65-1??) I then use fogging oil when I put it up for the winter. I also found an old Seagull that I converted to 25-1 mix, but use it at 20-1 to be safe. Harvey/ Ga. M-17 Stargazer #294 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POSTMASTER" Subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Date: 27 Jan 1999 18:38 -0800 Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: Re: Re: M_Boats: Hello - M17 Hull No. 39 returning to servi Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- u know!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POSTMASTER" Subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Date: 27 Jan 1999 18:41 -0800 Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: Re: Re: M_Boats: Hello - M17 Hull No. 39 returning to servi Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- u know!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POSTMASTER" Subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Date: 27 Jan 1999 18:41 -0800 Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Curt Smith @berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Cannot store the message *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: Ref:M_Boats: (no subject) Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Hi Doug... I have an '87 evinrude, 8hp. Manual says 100-1 like yours, but the Evinrude tech support folks say to use 50-1 for heavy duty use, but no less then 75-1 for light use. I compromise by adding 2 oz. of Quaker State synthetic OB oil, per gallon (65-1??) I then use fogging oil when I put it up for the winter. I also found an old Seagull that I converted to 25-1 mix, but use it at 20-1 to be safe. Harvey/ Ga. M-17 Stargazer #294 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POSTMASTER" Subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Date: 27 Jan 1999 18:46 -0800 Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Curt Smith @berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Cannot store the message *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: Ref:M_Boats: (no subject) Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Hi Doug... I have an '87 evinrude, 8hp. Manual says 100-1 like yours, but the Evinrude tech support folks say to use 50-1 for heavy duty use, but no less then 75-1 for light use. I compromise by adding 2 oz. of Quaker State synthetic OB oil, per gallon (65-1??) I then use fogging oil when I put it up for the winter. I also found an old Seagull that I converted to 25-1 mix, but use it at 20-1 to be safe. Harvey/ Ga. M-17 Stargazer #294 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POSTMASTER" Subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Date: 27 Jan 1999 18:46 -0800 Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: Re: Re: M_Boats: Hello - M17 Hull No. 39 returning to servi Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- u know!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POSTMASTER" Subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Date: 27 Jan 1999 18:50 -0800 Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Curt Smith @berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Cannot store the message *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: Ref:M_Boats: (no subject) Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Hi Doug... I have an '87 evinrude, 8hp. Manual says 100-1 like yours, but the Evinrude tech support folks say to use 50-1 for heavy duty use, but no less then 75-1 for light use. I compromise by adding 2 oz. of Quaker State synthetic OB oil, per gallon (65-1??) I then use fogging oil when I put it up for the winter. I also found an old Seagull that I converted to 25-1 mix, but use it at 20-1 to be safe. Harvey/ Ga. M-17 Stargazer #294 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POSTMASTER" Subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Date: 27 Jan 1999 18:50 -0800 Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: M_Boats: Unsent Message Returned to Sender Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- Notice to Sender ================ This message was received by this installation but could not be delivered to its intended cc:Mail recipient(s). Original subject: Re: Re: M_Boats: Hello - M17 Hull No. 39 returning to servi Intended recipient(s) who DID NOT receive this message: Curt_Smith__@berlex.com The following cc:Mail error(s) were recorded: *** Message recipient is unknown *** -------- Original Message Text -------- u know!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Theo Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 for sail Date: 27 Jan 1999 21:39:23 -0600 Take off eh? The ice is 30" thick here in MN, Vikings lost, please send spring! AirEvacLen@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/26/99 4:43:56 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > theonac@uswest.net writes: > > << > Hello group! Great exchanges as of late, sure helps up here in the great > white north. >> > Hey Theo > And just where is the Great White North.....hehe > > Lenny ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy_Watkins@odp.tamu.edu Subject: Re: M_Boats: First M- Boat Sail Date: 28 Jan 1999 08:21:37 CST Bill if it would help you I could mail you a copy of the original M15 brochure which shows some rigging. Send me an SASE and I'll go make a copy for you. The Montgomery newsletter is also an excellent source for ideas. Randy W. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Author: montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com at #Internet Message text written by INTERNET:montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com >Also what is the line and block on the side of the boom for. There is 1 turning block aft and 2 clam cleats forward on the starboard side is that something all M-15's have, is it something to do with the outhaul? = Bob M-15 # 233< Congratulations on the first sail. They are always a thrill no mater wha= t the conditions. There are a couple of possiblities for the clam cleats and turning block.= ( by the way what is a clam cleat? I have heard of cam cleats and jamb cleats.) = The turning block - if it is at the far end of the boom it could be for = a boom topping lift - if ther is there a pad eye at the top of the mast as well this is a good possiblity. The toping lift line would run from the p= ad eye on the mast through the turning block to the cleat . I run my toping lift from a cleat on the mast through a turning block on the mast to a pad eye on the boom but it works either way. If the tuning block is farther inboard and the sail has reef points che= ck and see if the turning block is about 45 deg angle in back of the reef point on the leech when the sail is in the reefed position. If so the bo= om on the opposite side of the turning block should have a pad eye. The jif= fy reefing line runs from the pad eye through the reef point , through the turning block and to the cleat. The remaining cleat is probably for the out haul. The outhaul line would= run from the sail through some form of a block and tackle ( possible onl = y = a single small block) to the cleat. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sandyal55@aol.com Subject: Re: Ref:M_Boats: (no subject) Date: 28 Jan 1999 22:13:28 EST My '87 8hp Johnson says 100/1 mix but the factory recanted that due to problems and you should be running 50/1. Most British Seagulls use 10/1 and a steady supply of new spark plugs........... The clam cleat in another posting is an open top "v" jamming design with no moving parts. They can be had with or without a fairlead. Look them up in the usual catalogs. Great for reefing lines or topping lifts on small boats. Very easy to release..... Sandy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Walter" Subject: M_Boats: M17 #39 saga - trailer replacement Date: 28 Jan 1999 23:09:24 -0500 Re what did I get for $1,000? well, we can pretty much scatch the trailer. I ran it by the local welding shop yesterday and they basically said that it wasn't much to start with (i.e. - it was an economy trailer when new) and if they replaced all the rusted out metal, it would cost nearly as much as a new trailer. They had some brochures for Continental trailers, but no listings regarding sailboat compatibility. So, what to do? Idea #1 -- I remembered the M17 trailers on Norsea's website seemed top-of-the-line and fairly reasonable at $1550, so I called up Bob Eeg and he said, "Sure we got nice trailers, but, w h e r e do you want it shipped?" $1,000 freight CA to FL, kinda shot down that idea. Kudos to Bob, though. He went out and measured a trailer while we were on the phone so that I could shop around on the shipping, but the best anyone could do was an auto carrier trucking company at $700 and the clerk wasn't sure if they would really take even an empty trailer anyway. Idea #2 paid off. Hake Yachts makes the Seaward line of boats in Stuart, FL, just 50 miles south of here. Their Seaward Seafox (aka Slipper 17 and Starboard 17) is very similar to the M17 (i.e. - 8" wider overall, 100 lbs lighter, and keel is 2 inches shallower). So, I took the afternoon off and ran down there to see what they had. They use Performance brand trailers, galvanized, tilting, with bunk boards and keel guides. Good heavy steel channel iron construction with square tube bunk board struts. Keel support framing is built with a curve to lower boat height when loaded and to improve launching. They did not have a Seafox trailer in stock and were a little shy on trailer specification reference material so we called up Performance. They assured us the Seafox trailer was rated at 2,000 lbs gross and the ten inch wheels were fitted with load range D tires good for 2,200 lbs. I was a little leary of the ten inch wheel, but they assured me it is a wide wheel with a fat tire and was selected specifically to lower the trailer height to improve launching. Sounded good to me, so down went the deposit and I pick it up next Friday. Ordered bunk board struts 6 inches longer than the standard Seafox trailer to accomodate the deeper keel of the M17 -- no extra charge. If anyone in the southeast needs a new trailer for an M17, Hake Yachts may be the way to go. At $1300 for the new trailer and $1,000 for the M17, I still feel I am coming out ahead on this deal. And I won't be loosing sleep over whether or not that old trailer is going to make it out of the driveway next trip. Next is dropping the centerboard on Saturday to see how bad it is. From what I can see just looking up into the trunk, I'm guessing rebuilding or replacing, but no time like the present :-), eh? Who knows, maybe all it needs is a fresh coat of paint. Enjoy, Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harvey Wilson Subject: M_Boats: New member Date: 28 Jan 1999 23:12:10 -0500 Hi Ed... Welcome aboard. When you get a chance to visit lake Lanier, send me an e-mail...Stargazer and I live within walking distance of the lake on I-400, and be happy to show y= ou a M-17 and maybe a sail = if the weather's ok. Harvey/ Ga = M-17 Stargazer #294 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harvey Wilson Subject: M_Boats: first posting Date: 28 Jan 1999 23:12:11 -0500 Hi Bob... Welcome to the group. Ask away on anything you want to know about your boat..someone here will have the answer. Download the archives from Keith Diehl's website..= it contains a bunch of info. My boat, Stargazer is also a Florida boat..found it almost 3 years ago in= Ft. Myers. Harvey/ Ga. M-17 Stargazer #294 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Sweany Subject: M_Boats: Regrettably signing off from Monty owners list Date: 29 Jan 1999 07:33:50 -0800 (PST) As some of you may have read, I've been mulling over a good deal on a used Com-Pac 16 here in Indianapolis. Rather than wait for something better to come along in the sparse used Montgomery 15 market, I've decided to try my luck with the Com-Pac. Both myself and the local marine surveyor are in agreement that this boat is a great bargain; one that I'd be a fool to pass up. If any of you are ever passing through Indiana to bigger and better sailing adventures, drop me an e-mail (brian_sweany@yahoo.com) or phone call (317-842-6626); I'm always game for a nice leisurely sail. For that matter if you and your boat are ever in the neighborhood at all, make sure to check out www.nalms.org/ilms/50lakes.htm. It's a listing of the Top 50 Indiana Lakes, many of which have horsepower limits that make for a "trailer sailors" paradise. Fair winds, Brian Sweany Indianapolis, IN _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wilsometer@aol.com Subject: M_Boats: M15 advertised Date: 29 Jan 1999 13:38:28 EST There is an M15 advertised in the January issue of the San Francisco area based magazine "Latitude 38." The add has been out for almost a month, so = the boat may or may not still be around. The add is as follows: "MONTGOMERY 15, 1986. Easily sailed & Trailered. Keel/centerboard sloop.= In great shape, like new. Spacious cabin sleeps 2 comfortably, Porta-Potti, = Merc 2.2, Trail-Rite trailer. PFD's, extras. Ready to sail. $3700, great pri= ce. Must sell, too many boats. (510) 215-6212" Disclaimer: I have not seen this boat--just thought I'd pass along the ad= d. Scott Grometer, M15 #478, "b=E9b=E9" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morris, Giles" Subject: M_Boats: Another Ad in Latitude 38 Date: 29 Jan 1999 13:43:33 -0500 >There is an M15 advertised in the January issue of the San Francisco >area based magazine "Latitude 38 It has to be a misprint, but... I was looking through that issue of Latitude 38 around here (VA) when I noticed something in one of the illustrated broker's advertisements, somewhere near the front: A Nor'Sea 27 for a "broker's ten thousand" ($9,990). Could this be true? If it's any good, could somebody who lives around there please UPS it to me? Giles Morris Arlington VA M-15 #264 "Umiaq" Vancouver V-25 #002 "Dolphin" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ed florence Subject: Re: M_Boats: Another Ad in Latitude 38 Date: 29 Jan 1999 12:04:34 -0800 (PST) ---"Morris, Giles" wrote: > > >There is an M15 advertised in the January issue of the San Francisco > >area based magazine "Latitude 38 > > > Giles Morris > Arlington VA > M-15 #264 "Umiaq" > Vancouver V-25 #002 "Dolphin" > > Giles; Would like to hear additional information re: the M 15 ad. Age? Equipment? Trailer? Price? Thanks Ed M 15 #342 "Whistle" > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Francene Lebowitz Subject: M_Boats: outboard bracket Date: 30 Jan 1999 19:41:28 -0800 Were Montgomery 15s ever manufactured with outboard motor brackets, the kind that raise and lower with springs? If not, has anyone replaced the stationary fiberglass bracket with the adjustable kind? Fran ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beckerr@jps.net (Robert Becker) Subject: Re: M_Boats: outboard bracket Date: 30 Jan 1999 19:59:49 -0800 (PST) >Were Montgomery 15s ever manufactured with outboard motor brackets, the >kind that raise and lower with springs? If not, has anyone replaced the >stationary fiberglass bracket with the adjustable kind? >Fran Yes, I replaced mine with the $90 rig from W/M and I really like it. I took out the existing bolts, pulled the bracket off, installed a mahogany faceing, and mounted the new bracket. Others I have heard on this list found it impossible to get the old bracket off. I do not know if this is due to age or changes in the adhesive used in manufacturing. If you are going to do it, let me know and I may be able to supply more detail. Bob 1982 M15 #208 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy_Watkins@odp.tamu.edu Subject: Re[2]: M_Boats: outboard bracket Date: 30 Jan 1999 23:39:48 CST Bob, I'd be interested in knowing obout your setup. I'm thinking about doing that to mine. thanks, Randy_Watkins@odp.tamu.edu M15#194 _______________________ Reply Separator _______________________ Author: montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com at #Internet >Were Montgomery 15s ever manufactured with outboard motor brackets, the >kind that raise and lower with springs? If not, has anyone replaced the >stationary fiberglass bracket with the adjustable kind? >Fran Yes, I replaced mine with the $90 rig from W/M and I really like it. I took out the existing bolts, pulled the bracket off, installed a mahogany faceing, and mounted the new bracket. Others I have heard on this list found it impossible to get the old bracket off. I do not know if this is due to age or changes in the adhesive used in manufacturing. If you are going to do it, let me know and I may be able to supply more detail. Bob 1982 M15 #208 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Kidd" Subject: Re: M_Boats: outboard bracket Date: 30 Jan 1999 22:37:09 -0800 Fran, An adjustable outboard motor bracket was on my M-15 when I bought it. It was made by Walts Brackets, Inc in Coeur D'Lane (sp?), Idaho. The original bracket was removed by and the old holes filled with epoxy putty. A 6-inch round plastic waterproof access port is installed in the aft end of the cockpit liner above the port seat for access to the motor mount bolts and backing plates. My bracket isn't as fancy as those sold by West Marine, but it is functional and I find it most sturdy. I leave my Tanaka 1.75 hp outboard (19 lbs.) attached while trailering (securly lashed up of course) and have had no problems. One relatively minor consideration: The throttle/tiller hangs up on the transom if the bracket is lowered too far, so you have to learn not to just drop it down; it has to positioned in the correct notch -- no big deal... I really like the way the outboard can be raised high enough that it never drags in the water while under sail. I recommend an adjustable outboard motor bracket without hesitation or reservation. Joe Kidd M-15 #207 "Poco A Poco" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "L. Ingalls" Subject: Re: M_Boats: outboard bracket Date: 31 Jan 1999 05:05:14 -0800 Good question. I'd like to know too. Lee M15 #326 "Puppy" At 07:41 PM 1/30/1999 -0800, you wrote: >Were Montgomery 15s ever manufactured with outboard motor brackets, the >kind that raise and lower with springs? If not, has anyone replaced the >stationary fiberglass bracket with the adjustable kind? >Fran > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Graves" Subject: Re: M_Boats: outboard bracket Date: 31 Jan 1999 09:14:03 -0700 Friends, Our M-15, 1988 #407, came from the factory with an adjustable, spring assisted, outboard motor mount. I am the second owner but am nearly positive that she came from the factory this way. We don't leave our 4 hp Yamaha mounted while trailing, but rather have a bracket up on the front of the trailer by the winch where the outboard is mounted while under way. Much less bounce at the front of the trailer than at the rear. Randy M-15 "Dinky Boat" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Francene Lebowitz Subject: Re: M_Boats: outboard bracket Date: 31 Jan 1999 10:53:43 -0800 Thanks for the description, Joe. My concern was that if I installed the adjustable bracket, I wouldn't want to bolt it through the cockpit wall. The access port is a neat solution. Speed is not my priority in sailing, but motor drag does slow the boat down. Fran ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Graves" Subject: Re: M_Boats: outboard bracket Date: 31 Jan 1999 17:38:48 -0700 Steve, The Yamaha is a fantastic outboard motor! Ours is a 2 cycle long shaft water cooled with F-N-R. I believe it comes with either the internal tank (ours) or an external tank. I like the internal tank myself. I can run for all day (no kidding) on a tank of gas. I carry a 1 1/2 gallon reservoir inside the port locker. At the end of the season I usually have gas left in the reserve tank. Having only owned one other outboard my comparison of the Yamaha is limited. Our first out board was a 1975 Mercury 7.5 twin, electric start and battery charging alternator. I liked the battery charging feature, and the electric start was nearly a must as the motor was always difficult to start. The Yamaha is great! Easy to start, quite, runs smooth and is very good on gas. The particular model that I have has the prop for lots of torque. It weighs about 40 lbs.. Randy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beckerr@jps.net (Robert Becker) Subject: M_Boats: M15 lift/lower motor bracket Date: 31 Jan 1999 18:42:13 -0800 (PST) Installing a Lift/Lower Outboard Motor Bracket on the M-15. To install a new bracket, you must first remove the old bracket, and to get access to the bracket bolts, you must either have an access port or send a very small person with a wrench under the cocpit. I choose to cut an access port in the cocpit transom. Position the access port template so the face fits flush with the transome and where you will be able to reach the motor bolts. To make the hole for the access port, drill a starter hole and cut the fiberglass with a sabre saw. With some contortion, you should be able to get a wrench on all 6 nuts through this hole. Remove the bolts on the existing motor mount. I used a thin metal spatula between the mount and the boat to work the glue loose, and with some careful prying, obtained a clean separation. Others on this list have indicated that they could not get their mount loose. My thought was that in the worst case, it would be ok if I damaged the gel coat, because it would be easily repaired and the damage hidden by the mounting board, but this proved unnecessary. Sand any rough spots. Epoxey the holes and redrill, to prevent leakage. Prepare an approximately 1x10x15" mahogony or teak board, sanded and finished with cetol, or to match your existing brightwork. Finish the mounting board at least a week before installation, to allow the cetol to completely cure. Using the old mount as a template, drill 6 holes to match those in the transom. On the hidden side of the mounting board, mark and drill 4 holes for the new mount. Countersink the bolt heads so the board will fit flush, bolt on the new mount, and epoxyed the bolt heads. Then install the board and new mount on the boat, caulking as appropriate. I used a West Marine Triangle Adjustable Outboard Bracket Model 381709, $89.99. My 2HP Honda 4 stroke must be precisely positioned on the bracket to permit smooth lowering. If possible, test your motor in both the up and down position on the bracket before installation, to ensure no motor parts catch on the bracket and that when raised, the motor clears the stern rail. Do not position too close to the rudder or the prop blades may hit the rudder when turning. When raised, the motor is completely out of the water, except when heeled to port, where it drags a couple of inches. This is a regular shaft motor; the long shaft will drag more and deeper. The motor runs well with little vibration and does not lift up at full throttle. I really like the improved sailing performance with the motor out of the water and could not detect any loss of stability with the 40 lb motor in the raised position. I remove the motor when trailering. I suppose you could NOT use the mounting board. Just fill the old holes, and drill 4 holes for the new bracket, but I did not like the idea of adding any more holes to the transom. Nor'Seas Bob or JM may have some advice on this. Good luck, Bob M15 #208 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beckerr@jps.net (Robert Becker) Subject: M_Boats: M15 lift/lower motor bracket Date: 31 Jan 1999 18:49:40 -0800 (PST) Installing a Lift/Lower Outboard Motor Bracket on the M-15. To install a new bracket, you must first remove the old bracket, and to get access to the bracket bolts, you must either have an access port or send a very small person with a wrench under the cocpit. I choose to cut an access port in the cocpit transom. Position the access port template so the face fits flush with the transome and where you will be able to reach the motor bolts. To make the hole for the access port, drill a starter hole and cut the fiberglass with a sabre saw. With some contortion, you should be able to get a wrench on all 6 nuts through this hole. Remove the bolts on the existing motor mount. I used a thin metal spatula between the mount and the boat to work the glue loose, and with some careful prying, obtained a clean separation. Others on this list have indicated that they could not get their mount loose. My thought was that in the worst case, it would be ok if I damaged the gel coat, because it would be easily repaired and the damage hidden by the mounting board, but this proved unnecessary. Sand any rough spots. Epoxey the holes and redrill, to prevent leakage. Prepare an approximately 1x10x15" mahogony or teak board, sanded and finished with cetol, or to match your existing brightwork. Finish the mounting board at least a week before installation, to allow the cetol to completely cure. Using the old mount as a template, drill 6 holes to match those in the transom. On the hidden side of the mounting board, mark and drill 4 holes for the new mount. Countersink the bolt heads so the board will fit flush, bolt on the new mount, and epoxyed the bolt heads. Then install the board and new mount on the boat, caulking as appropriate. I used a West Marine Triangle Adjustable Outboard Bracket Model 381709, $89.99. My 2HP Honda 4 stroke must be precisely positioned on the bracket to permit smooth lowering. If possible, test your motor in both the up and down position on the bracket before installation, to ensure no motor parts catch on the bracket and that when raised, the motor clears the stern rail. Do not position too close to the rudder or the prop blades may hit the rudder when turning. When raised, the motor is completely out of the water, except when heeled to port, where it drags a couple of inches. This is a regular shaft motor; the long shaft will drag more and deeper. The motor runs well with little vibration and does not lift up at full throttle. I really like the improved sailing performance with the motor out of the water and could not detect any loss of stability with the 40 lb motor in the raised position. I remove the motor when trailering. I suppose you could NOT use the mounting board. Just fill the old holes, and drill 4 holes for the new bracket, but I did not like the idea of adding any more holes to the transom. Nor'Seas Bob or JM may have some advice on this. Good luck, Bob M15 #208 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AZYacht@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: 2HP Evinrude Date: 01 Feb 1999 00:34:09 EST Steve, It might help him but I think your motor is in need of help! It is WATER COOLED! Unless you have a very special / rare / prototype your motor has a water cooling system complete with H20 pump,cooling jackets and water cooled and muffled exhaust (you didnt think that little two stroke was really that quiet did ya?). Do Not Pass GO get your motor to a competent repair person and have them investigate. DO NOT OPERATE if it is not blowing heavy spray on your hand from the 'exhaust' holes on the back of the center section. Good Luck Gary O. M-17 #319 AoxomoxoA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bownez@juno.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: outboard bracket Date: 31 Jan 1999 23:33:07 -0600 Randy, I may have missed an earlier post. What is the size of the Yamaha outboard? I'm shopping for a 3.5 to 4.5 hp longshaft outboard with a F-N as minimum transmission. I hear they're rare to come across. Perhaps I should expand my search beyond Johnson and Evinrude. Thanks. Michael "Bones" Bowden In Minnesota where there's a hell of a lot of outboards. M17 #92 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grove777@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: M_Boats: 2HP Evinrude Date: 01 Feb 1999 00:50:24 EST what does the name of your boat mean???