From: gswarthout@cyberdude.com Subject: Re: [MV] I NEED YOUR HELP! Date: 01 May 1998 15:31:48 -0400 (EDT) "Beyond Therapy" is one of the movies I should have walked out of. Mind-numbing tripe. ---- you wrote: > At 01.27 AM 01/05/98 +1000, Graeme wrote: > >But my last three suggestions: since I personally believe some of the best > >insights come through satire and levity, I definitely think you should check > >out a little-known Robert Altman film called "Beyond Therapy" (a very black > >farce lampooning psychotherapy, with a truly spectacular cast headed by Jeff > >Goldblum and Julie Haggerty); Stuart Smalley's "Stuart Saves the Family" > (the > >Stuart Smalley character fiercely bursting balloons and rabbit-punching the > >sacred cows of pop-psychology); and (of course!) Mel Brook's "High Anxiety"! > > > On that note, let's not forget What About Bob? or Shakes the Clown. And it > may be pushing it, but we have Pacific Heights, The Cable Guy, and the > classic Arsenic and Old Lace with, uh, "unbalanced" characters. > > Regards, > > --Mel > > > --Mel Eperthener > president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty > > email: bcassidy@usaor.net > gowanna@australiamail.com > > http://www.webz.com/gowanna > > 419 Butler Street > PO Box 95184 > Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184 > (412) 781-6140 > (412) 781-6380 > 1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE > ____________________________________________ > That was a wicked googly! > --Jerry Seinfeld, AMEX commercial > ______________________________________________ > > > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jakob Straub Subject: [MV] Re: LOST HIGHWAY Date: 01 May 1998 13:38:07 +0200 > I watched Lost Highway by the way and will give my opinion about it > when I get back. I haven't had time to think about it and it > certainly needs thinking about. David Lynch always manages to leave > me with one awful image that makes me shiver and I guess the old > coffee table through the head is the one for this movie. I watched this movie several times and I like it, but I can't say why. I would agree that you can think a long time about it. I could not state what it was all about, but it is pretty strange. David Lynch did a great job when he was playing with the "suggested violence": you do not see how something violent happens, you just see Fred with blood in the face, the man lying there with the table in his head etc. The end is left open, but I interpret it as follows: the auto-mechanic (Billy was his name, right ?) is changing into Fred again. Therefore the police won't arrest him for killing Mr Eddy, and he will return home and have his wife back again - everything will be just like in the beginning. All he experienced was like a horror-trip - maybe that's why the soundtrack has "The Perfect Drug" by Trent Reznor on it. By the way, the soundtrack is tremendous. Yours truly, Jakob [jakob.straub@nothing.lake.de | http://www.lake.de/home/lake/nothing/] ._,_, ,/'`'=. ().-=-.() "If you don't get a goodnight-kiss, c _','| |=. .=| your dreams will be Kafka-like." jgs \\_// ( _0_ ) --Calvin & Hobbes `"` `"""""` -====================================================================- [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GeminiJef Subject: [MV] Intelligence in Sci-Fi Date: 01 May 1998 21:40:33 EDT In a message dated 98-04-29 10:30:40 EDT, you write: << You should definitely see Dark City then as I found it to be very intelligent and thought provoking...and well...just really cool! Great movie with some amazing images and a great storyline IMHO >> Ditto "Gattaca"! I expected little from this incredibly well-crafted yet simple film about the idea of genetic engineering and how it would effect a genetically inferior outcast (played by Ethan Hawke) living in a future society of genetically superior perfectionists. It also has parallels to Orwell's 1984. Brilliant movie. -jjj [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GeminiJef Subject: Re: [MV] I NEED YOUR HELP! Date: 01 May 1998 21:46:25 EDT And lest we forget, "Harvey" with Jimmy Stewart and his 6 foot 3 and 1/2 foot Pooka Rabbit. In a message dated 98-04-30 17:38:17 EDT, you write: << On that note, let's not forget What About Bob? or Shakes the Clown. And it may be pushing it, but we have Pacific Heights, The Cable Guy, and the classic Arsenic and Old Lace with, uh, "unbalanced" characters. >> [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" Subject: [MV] The Movie Report#140, 4/30/98 Date: 01 May 1998 19:51:42 -0600 > From: Michael Dequina > > T H E > M O V I E > R E P O R T > #140 > APRIL 30, 1998 > > Sorry for getting this out a bit late... A couple of hours ago I just > hosted a live chat with Michael Jordan (incredibly hectic)... > > Just 15 more shopping days left until my 22nd... (if you need gift ideas, > let me know... ;-)) > > =>T H I S W E E K<= > M O V I E S > -He Got Game > -The Object of My Affection > -Sliding Doors > -Tarzan and the Lost City > V I D E O > -Anastasia > -The Jackal > > Select reviews are available at Hollywood Hotline on CompuServe and: > http://www.HollywoodHotline.com > ...on Albany Online at: > http://www.AlbanyOnline.com > ...and the Eyepiece Network at: > http://www.eyepiece.com > > Mr. Brown's Movie Site and The Movie Report are in serious need of your > help. Visit: > http://members.tripod.com/~MrBrown/support.html > > For that, links to the official websites of all the current films, past > reviews, exclusive Hollywood event photos, live MovieChat, movie discussion > board, movie theme MIDI files, Trivia Blitz, and more, visit Mr. Brown's > Movie Site at: > http://welcome.to/mrbrown > Please don't forget to sign the guestbook... > > all movies graded out of four stars (****) > > ~~~ > > =>M O V I E S<= > N E W R E L E A S E S > > He Got Game (R) *** > The tagline for He Got Game--"the father, the son, and the holy > game"--provides a very clear and accurate ordering of writer-director Spike > Lee's concerns in the film. While the game of basketball is the film's > unifying subject, this uneven but engrossing drama is foremost an > exploration of a father-son relationship. > The father in question is Jake Shuttlesworth (Denzel Washington), a prison > inmate who is granted a temporary release to convince his son Jesus > (Milwaukee Bucks guard Ray Allen), high school senior and hoops superstar, > to attend the governor's university alma mater the following school year. > The task is not quite as easy as it sounds, for Jake's relationship with > his son became virtually nonexistent following the death of Jesus's mother > and Jake's imprisonment. The issue of reconciliation is what drives He Got > Game, and Lee deftly escalates the emotional stakes by gradually revealing > Jake and Jesus's turbulent past and the tense circumstances that ultimately > led to their estrangement. > When staying with the driving father-son dynamic, He Got Game often > achieves moments of power, buoyed by a predictably strong performance by > Washington. Allen is relaxed and assured in his acting debut, but his work > suffers away from Washington; when he is called on to carry scenes on his > own, he tends to stiffen up, and his line delivery comes off a bit flat. > As such, he is a slightly less-than-commanding presence during the > Jake-less scenes, in which Jesus deals with other pressures, such as his > sports-agent-pushing girlfriend Lala (Rosario Dawson) and Chick (Los > Angeles Laker forward Rick Fox), a baller from a prospective university, > who tempts Jesus with horny groupies. Granted, the air of doubt works in > showing how vulnerable Jesus is to pressure, but it also diminishes > audience interest and involvement. > To be fair, Washington also suffers away from Allen, but this is because > of the comaparatively weak material he is saddled with. Jake's unlikely > friendship with Dakota (Milla Jovovich), a prostitute who lives in the > apartment next door, is completely superfluous, not to mention > unconvincing; Lee offers no insight as to how or why Jake would develop any > feelings, deep or otherwise, for her. Lacking in any payoff, and > showcasing an awful performance by Jovovich, this subplot just about begs > to be completely cut out. > He Got Game could have used a clearer focus, but what does come sharply > into view registers strongly: not just Jake and Jesus, but their and, above > all, Lee's passion for the game of basketball. From the majestic, Aaron > Copland-scored opening shots of people of all ages and places shooting > hoops to the halftime cameos by various NBA stars (yes, including _him_, > who gets the honor of delivering the film's title line) to the late > glimpses of Jesus and Jake alone on different courts, Lee shows how easy it > is to fall under the sport's spell. Audiences may leave He Got Game not > exactly loving the film, but it is quite possible that they could grow, to > quote the NBA's promotional slogan, "love this game." > > The Object of My Affection (R) *** > Sliding Doors (PG-13) *** > Frothy romantic comedies have become so commonplace at the cinema that > filmmakers now generally resort to gimmicks to set their films apart. Two > romantic comedies currently in release, The Object of My Affection and > Sliding Doors, each employ a twist that gives its film a certain > uniqueness, but in both cases the gimmicks work. > The Object of My Affection roughly fits the romantic comedy mold. It has > its share of humorous moments and a romantic issue at its heart, which is > where its twist lies. After being jilted by his lover Dr. Robert Joley > (Tim Daly), gay elementary school teacher George Hanson (Paul Rudd) moves > in and instantly becomes best friends with social worker Nina Borowski > (Jennifer Aniston). When Nina discovers that she is pregnant by her > less-than-reliable boyfriend lawyer Vince McBride (John Pankow), she asks > George to be the child's acting father. His acceptance, not surprisingly, > leads to some emotional complications for the both of them. > More of a surprise is that these complications don't necessarily come > dressed in laugh-ready packages. Director Nicholas Hytner and writer Wendy > Wasserstein, working from the novel by Stephen McCauley, while frequently > throwing in a comic zinger or situation or two, deal rather seriously with > the relationship issues being raised. While this approach will certainly > disappoint those looking for a lark like Aniston's Picture Perfect, it was > perhaps the best way to go. To go for cheap laughs would have been to > cheapen the characters, in particular Nina, whose ever-growing but hopeless > love for George achieves true poignancy. Adding to the poignancy is the > terrific, natural chemistry between Aniston and Rudd; even though one knows > a romance is impossible, they are such a perfect screen match that one > cannot help but develop a rooting interest for their coupledom. I just > wish that the character of Vince was better written. One minute he's a > jerk, the next he's surprisingly gentle; he doesn't quite make sense, and > as such, Nina's initial devotion to him doesn't quite either. > On paper, the twist of Sliding Doors appears too high-concept for its own > good. Helen (Gwyneth Paltrow, sporting the flawless British accent she > adopted in Emma), freshly fired from her job at a PR agency, rushes to > catch the next train home. The doors on the train car close just as she > reaches them. But wait--the film rewinds, and suddenly Helen manages to > squeeze her way into the train as the doors close. From here on out, > Sliding Doors intercuts between the parallel tales of the two Helens: Helen > "A," who misses the train, and Helen "B," who makes the train. > Helen "B," having made the train, arrives home in time to find her live-in > boyfriend Gerry (John Lynch) in bed with sultry, slightly unhinged former > flame Lydia (Jeanne Tripplehorn). In a tiff, Helen leaves him, gets a > makeover, and starts a relationship with James (John Hannah), a friendly > Scottish gent she met on the train. Helen "A" not only misses the train; > she is also mugged, which makes her arrive home long after Gerry and > Lydia's tryst, of which she remains not-so-blissfully unaware. In > following the two Helens, writer-director Peter Howitt shows how one > simple, chance occurrence can alter the course of a person's life. > Or does he? What makes Sliding Doors so unique and rather > thought-provoking is how Howitt holds true to the idea of chance while at > the same time subscribing to that of destiny. The two stories are > distinctly different, but Howitt comes up with clever "intersections" > between the plots, with certain touchstone events occurring in both stories > (albeit in slightly altered ways), believably showing how, no matter what > happens, the hand of fate is inescapable. Also inescapable is the type of > person one is, and this is best exemplified by Gerry, who is a cheating > lout in both stories--which is the film's one problem. Although he appears > to have some genuine fondness for Helen, he is on the whole an unappealing > character, making the story of Helen "A" less vibrant and involving than > the "B" tale, which is highlighted by Hannah's delightfully witty James. > Ultimately, however, the effectiveness of The Object of My Affection and > Sliding Doors is not due to the gimmicks themselves but the filmmakers who > use them with care, intelligence, and style. If it weren't for their > talent and savvy, the two films could have easily fallen into the gimmicky > romantic comedy scrap heap, an undistinguished group that includes the > execrable likes of Made in America and Mrs. Winterbourne. And for that, > every moviegoer in the world owes a debt of gratitude. > > IN BRIEF > > Tarzan and the Lost City (PG) no stars > One review of 1994's Sylvester Stallone-Sharon Stone actioner The > Specialist called that superstar team-up "the acting equivalent of the > Hindenburg meeting the Titanic." If that's the case, then the pairing of > hack-tors Casper Van Dien (Teen Beat-ready block of meat from Starship > Troopers) and Jane March (last seen delivering what should have been a > career-ending performance as three characters in the atrocious Color of > Night) is the acting equivalent of armageddon meeting the end of the > universe. In this horribly conceived and executed update of Edgar Rice > Burroughs's classic character, the King of the Jungle (Van Dien) returns to > his African homeland to prevent some treasure hunters from finding the > sacred lost city of Opar; following him to the jungle is his loyal fiancee > Jane (March, thankfully keeping her clothes on for a change). > Tarzan and the Lost City, directed by Carl Schenkel, is the latest in > what's becoming a most unwelcome annual cinematic tradition--the horrid > jungle adventure (the most recent entrants being last year's Anaconda and > 1995's unspeakable Congo). There are lousy, sub-Lost in Space effects; > cheap gorilla suits; flat-out atrocious performances (Van Dien's > barely-there, why-the-hell-even-bother attempt at a British accent makes > Kevin Costner look like Meryl Streep); and, worst of all, a lack of genuine > thrills. Tarzan swings on vines and everything else, but there's nothing > exciting about anything, certainly not the boring, anti-climactic "climax" > in a pyramid. The audience of ten with whom I saw the film got the most > amusement from Van Dien's hilariously delivered animal noises and sloppily > dubbed Tarzan call. If this is truly, as the Warner Bros. publicity > machine stated, "A new Tarzan for a new generation," then everyone falling > into the Generation X category should be incredibly offended. I know I am. > > IN CURRENT RELEASE > (full reviews of the following in past MRs and at the listed URLs) > > -As Good as It Gets (PG-13) *** > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt27.html#asgood > -Barney's Great Adventure--The Movie (G) ** > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#barney > -The Big Hit (R) ** 1/2 > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt32.html#bighit > -The Big Lebowski (R) *** 1/2 > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt28.html#lebowski > -The Butcher Boy (R) *** 1/2 > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#butcherboy > -Chinese Box (R) ** > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt30.html#chinesebox > -City of Angels (PG-13) ** 1/2 > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#angels > -Dangerous Beauty (R) ** > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt26.html#dangerous > -Fireworks (Hana-Bi) *** 1/2 > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt32.html#hanabi > -Good Will Hunting (R) *** 1/2 > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt26.html#gwh > -Lost in Space (PG-13) * > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#lost > -Major League: Back to the Minors (PG-13) no stars > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt32.html#ml3 > -Mercury Rising (R) * 1/2 > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#mercury > -Niagara Niagara (R) *** > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt30.html#niagara > -Nightwatch (R) ** > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#nightwatch > -The Players Club (R) ** 1/2 > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#players > -A Price Above Rubies (R) * 1/2 > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#rubies > -Primary Colors (R) *** > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt30.html#primarycolors > -Scream 2 (R) *** 1/2 > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt26.html#scream2 > -Sonatine (R) *** > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt32.html#sonatine > -The Spanish Prisoner (R) *** 1/2 > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#prisoner > -Species II (R) * > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt32.html#species2 > -Titanic (PG-13) **** > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt26.html#titanic > -Two Girls and a Guy (R) ** > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#2girls > -Wild Things (R) *** 1/2 > http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt30.html#wildthings > > O N T H E H O R I Z O N > FRIDAY > > Black Dog (PG-13) > The trailer line says it all: "Patrick Swayze, Randy Travis, and Meat Loaf > in a film from the director of Passenger 57." > > Dancer, Texas Pop. 81 (PG) > Four friends (Breckin Meyer, Peter Facinelli, Ethan Embry, and Eddie > Mills) contemplate leaving their small hometown after graduating from high > school. > > He Got Game (R) *** > Denzel Washington turns in another strong performance, and Milwaukee Bucks > guard Ray Allen makes a solid acting debut in Spike Lee's engrossing, if > unfocused, hoops-themed drama. > > Les Miserables (PG-13) *** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt32.html#lesmiz> > Handsome, well-acted, but emotionally distant adaptation of Victor Hugo's > classic novel. Liam Neeson, Geoffrey Rush, Uma Thurman, and Claire Danes > star. > > Shooting Fish (PG) ** 1/2 http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt32.html#fish> > Amiable British comedy about a pair of orphaned con artists (Dan Futterman > and Stuart Townsend) and the fetching young med student (Kate Beckinsale) > they hire to help them out. An appealing cast almost makes up for the lack > of big laughs. > > Wilde (R) > The life of poet and playwright Oscar Wilde (Stephen Fry). > > ~~~ > > =>V I D E O<= > N E W T H I S W E E K > > Anastasia (G) *** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt25.html#anastasia> > Fox made an entertaining, if unspectacular, attack on Disney's animation > empire with this musical about the titular lost daughter (spoken by Meg > Ryan, sung by Liz Callaway) of the last Russian czar. Stunning visuals and > a couple of memorable songs (the Oscar-nominated "Journey to the Past" and > the should've-been-nominated "Once Upon a December") highlight the film, > which is available in both pan-and-scan and letterboxed edition. (20th > Century Fox Home Entertainment) > > The Jackal (R) ** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt25.html#jackal> > Unexciting reworking of 1973's The Day of the Jackal, with former Irish > terrorist Richard Gere hunting down assassin Bruce Willis. (Universal > Studios Home Video) > > A L S O N E W T H I S W E E K > > Kiss or Kill (R) > Australian noir in which two con artists (Frances O'Connor and Matt Day) > go on a bloody road trip. (October Home Entertainment) > > Telling Lies in America (PG-13) > Sleazemeister Joe Eszterhas took a break from the one ingredient that made > him a very rich man--sex--to write this semi-autobiographical tale in > which the son (Brad Renfro) of a Hungarian immigrant (Maximilian Schell) > hooks up with a slick disc jockey (Kevin Bacon) in the 1960s. A pre-Ally > McBeal Calista Flockhart also stars. (BMG Independents) > > ~~~ > > =>N E X T W E E K<= > > More reviews, including: > -Deep Impact > -Woo > > 'til then... > > __________________________________________________________ > > Michael Dequina > Chat Forum Host, The Official Michael Jordan Web Site > http://jordan.sportsline.com > > mj23@michaeljordanfan.com > michael_jordan@geocities.com | mrbrown@ucla.edu > > >My personal WWW sites< > Mr. Brown's Movie Site: http://welcome.to/mrbrown > Michael Jordan Beyond the Court: http://fly.to/michaeljordan > A Michael Jordan Fan's Heartbreak: http://fly.to/mj23 > Personal Page: http://welcome.to/w3md > >Other WWW sites I work on< > CompuServe Hollywood Hotline: http://www.HollywoodHotline.com > Albany Online: http://www.AlbanyOnline.com > Eyepiece Network: http://www.eyepiece.com > > "I didn't know what to expect. It's like something you chase > for so long, but then you don't know how to react when you > get it. I still don't know how to react." > --Michael Jordan, on winning his first NBA championship in 1991 > ...or, my thoughts after meeting him on November 21, 1997 > __________________________________________________________ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GeminiJef Subject: [MV] Robert Altman and all the wrong moves Date: 01 May 1998 21:50:37 EDT "Beyond Therapy" is an Excellent Play, though. It's just a shame that Robert Altman sucks as a director as he seems to feel that everyone should act boring and melancholy in all his films. Aside from the suprise flick "Popeye" (thanks, no doubt, to Mr. Robin Williams brilliance), Robert Altman just can't seem to get the hang of directing. [Please don't tell me "the Player" was a courageous and masterful film] -jjj In a message dated 98-05-01 15:33:45 EDT, you write: << "Beyond Therapy" is one of the movies I should have walked out of. Mind-numbing tripe. ---- you wrote: > At 01.27 AM 01/05/98 +1000, Graeme wrote: > >But my last three suggestions: since I personally believe some of the best > >insights come through satire and levity, I definitely think you should check > >out a little-known Robert Altman film called "Beyond Therapy" (a very black > >farce lampooning psychotherapy, with a truly spectacular cast headed by Jeff > >Goldblum and Julie Haggerty); Stuart Smalley's "Stuart Saves the Family" > (the > >Stuart Smalley character fiercely bursting balloons and rabbit-punching the > >sacred cows of pop-psychology); and (of course!) Mel Brook's "High Anxiety"! >> [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GeminiJef Subject: Re: [MV] Re: LOST HIGHWAY Date: 01 May 1998 21:57:14 EDT i'm of the theory that David Lynch really didn't direct this film. I have the strangest feeling that someone pretending to be David Lynch snuck in directed the way he thought David Lynch would have directed a film and then snuck away. The film seems to say "THIS IS A DAVID LYNCH FILM: SEE HOW WEIRD IT IS" Weird? yeah; confusing? i guess; good? maybe. It doesn't seem to matter. The only thing "Lost Highway" did, was make me want to run out and watch "Wild at Heart" which is Lynch's best movie by far. And, of course, Nicholas Cage does a great Elvis, which is always cool, too. -jjj In a message dated 98-05-01 18:47:31 EDT, you write: << I watched this movie several times and I like it, but I can't say why. I would agree that you can think a long time about it. I could not state what it was all about, but it is pretty strange. David Lynch did a great job when he was playing with the "suggested violence": you do not see how something violent happens, you just see Fred with blood in the face, the man lying there with the table in his head etc. The end is left open, but I interpret it as follows: the auto-mechanic (Billy was his name, right ?) is changing into Fred again. Therefore the police won't arrest him for killing Mr Eddy, and he will return home and have his wife back again - everything will be just like in the beginning. All he experienced was like a horror-trip - maybe that's why the soundtrack has "The Perfect Drug" by Trent Reznor on it. By the way, the soundtrack is tremendous. Yours truly, Jakob >> [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "NCC2000" Subject: Re: [MV] Re: LOST HIGHWAY Date: 01 May 1998 22:21:22 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BD754F.78DF2CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm a big David Lynch fan and I really enjoyed Lost Highway. In my opinion, the more you think about the movie and try to figure it out the less you will like it. This is the reason I liked it. I don't think there are two people who will come to the same conclusion after watching the movie. The best Lynch movie, in my opinion, is Blue Velvet. Dennis Hopper's best film by far. Nelson ---------- > From: GeminiJef > To: movies@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [MV] Re: LOST HIGHWAY > Date: Friday, May 01, 1998 7:57 PM > > i'm of the theory that David Lynch really didn't direct this film. I have the > strangest feeling that someone pretending to be David Lynch snuck in directed > the way he thought David Lynch would have directed a film and then snuck away. > > The film seems to say "THIS IS A DAVID LYNCH FILM: SEE HOW WEIRD IT IS" > Weird? yeah; confusing? i guess; good? maybe. It doesn't seem to matter. > > The only thing "Lost Highway" did, was make me want to run out and watch "Wild > at Heart" which is Lynch's best movie by far. And, of course, Nicholas Cage > does a great Elvis, which is always cool, too. > > -jjj > > In a message dated 98-05-01 18:47:31 EDT, you write: > > << I watched this movie several times and I like it, but I can't say why. I > would agree that you can think a long time about it. I could not state > what it was all about, but it is pretty strange. David Lynch did a great > job when he was playing with the "suggested violence": you do not see > how something violent happens, you just see Fred with blood in the face, > the man lying there with the table in his head etc. > The end is left open, but I interpret it as follows: the auto-mechanic > (Billy was his name, right ?) is changing into Fred again. Therefore the > police won't arrest him for killing Mr Eddy, and he will return home and > have his wife back again - everything will be just like in the > beginning. All he experienced was like a horror-trip - maybe that's why > the soundtrack has "The Perfect Drug" by Trent Reznor on it. > By the way, the soundtrack is tremendous. > > Yours truly, > Jakob >> > > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------=_NextPart_000_01BD754F.78DF2CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm a big David Lynch fan and I really = enjoyed Lost Highway. In my opinion, the more you think about the movie = and try to figure it out the less you will like it. This is the reason I = liked it. I don't think there are two people who will come to the same = conclusion after watching the movie.

The best Lynch movie, in my = opinion, is Blue Velvet. Dennis Hopper's best film by far.

Nelson =

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> From: GeminiJef <GeminiJef@aol.com>
> To: movies@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: [MV] Re: LOST HIGHWAY
> = that David Lynch really didn't direct this film.  I have = the
> strangest feeling that someone pretending to be David Lynch = snuck in directed
> the way he thought David Lynch would have = directed a film and then snuck away.
>
> The film seems to = say "THIS IS A DAVID LYNCH FILM: SEE HOW WEIRD IT IS"
> = Weird? yeah; confusing? i guess; good? maybe.  It doesn't seem to = matter.  
>
> The only thing "Lost Highway" = did, was make me want to run out and watch "Wild
> at = Heart" which is Lynch's best movie by far.  And, of course, = Nicholas Cage
> does a great Elvis, which is always cool, = too.
>
> -jjj
>
> In a message dated 98-05-01 = 18:47:31 EDT, you write:
>
> << I watched this movie = several times and I like it, but I can't say why. I
>  would = agree that you can think a long time about it. I could not state
> =  what it was all about, but it is pretty strange. David Lynch did a = great
>  job when he was playing with the "suggested = violence": you do not see
>  how something violent = happens, you just see Fred with blood in the face,
>  the man = lying there with the table in his head etc.
>  The end is = left open, but I interpret it as follows: the auto-mechanic
> =  (Billy was his name, right ?) is changing into Fred again. = Therefore the
>  police won't arrest him for killing Mr Eddy, = and he will return home and
>  have his wife back again - = everything will be just like in the
>  beginning. All he = experienced was like a horror-trip - maybe that's why
>  the = soundtrack has "The Perfect Drug" by Trent Reznor on = it.
>  By the way, the soundtrack is tremendous.
> =  
>  Yours truly,
>  Jakob >>
> =
> [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message = "unsubscribe movies" ]
> [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com =             &= nbsp;           ]<= /p> ------=_NextPart_000_01BD754F.78DF2CC0-- [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gary zeig Subject: [MV] Mimic Date: 02 May 1998 19:43:37 -0400 All: thumbs up or thumbs down? Gary [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gary zeig Subject: [MV] The Greatest Martial Arts Movie Ever Made Date: 02 May 1998 19:56:57 -0400 Just saw a promo for Mortal Kombat:Annihilation on PPV. This got me thinking. I wonder what is considered the greatest martial arts movie ever made . Does anyone know of any surveys done on this? My guess would be Bruce Lee's Enter The Dragon, but that's just my opinion. GRZ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: grasshopper Subject: [MV] Les Mis Date: 02 May 1998 18:02:51 -0700 (PDT) I just saw Les Miserable today- it's a good movie and of higher quality than most of the movies I have seen recently. Claire Danes isn't bad, Liam Neesan (sp?) is good as Jean Valjean. Jeoffrey Rush (Javert) and Uma Thurman (Fontaine... sp?) were good also. It was slightly slow, but remained good. If I hadn't already known the book (I don't know the musical) I think that would have changed things. I'm not really sure how clear some parts of it would be to someone who didn't know the plot- but then, at the same time, they probably would have a much more open mind... kg [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mel Eperthener Subject: Re: [MV] Mimic Date: 02 May 1998 23:12:07 -0400 At 07.43 PM 02/05/98 -0400, Gary wrote: >All: thumbs up or thumbs down? Marginal thumbs up. I'm not into horror movies. However, I sort of liked this. Similar in tone to Event Horizon, I thought. (For the record, I've been calling EH a cross between Outland and Alien) Regards, --Mel --Mel Eperthener president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty email: bcassidy@usaor.net gowanna@australiamail.com http://www.webz.com/gowanna 419 Butler Street PO Box 95184 Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184 (412) 781-6140 (412) 781-6380 1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE ____________________________________________ That was a wicked googly! --Jerry Seinfeld, AMEX commercial ______________________________________________ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GeminiJef Subject: Re: [MV] Mimic Date: 03 May 1998 01:22:00 EDT Awesome special effects do not a ridiculously cheesy movie save. thumbs down. Although if you mute the sound so as not to hear the dialogue and ignore the plot, the visuals are fun to watch. 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I haven't had time to think about it and it >> certainly needs thinking about. David Lynch always manages to leave >> me with one awful image that makes me shiver and I guess the old >> coffee table through the head is the one for this movie. > >I watched this movie several times and I like it, but I can't say why. I >would agree that you can think a long time about it. I could not state >what it was all about, but it is pretty strange. David Lynch did a great >job when he was playing with the "suggested violence": you do not see >how something violent happens, you just see Fred with blood in the face, >the man lying there with the table in his head etc. >The end is left open, but I interpret it as follows: the auto-mechanic >(Billy was his name, right ?) is changing into Fred again. Therefore the >police won't arrest him for killing Mr Eddy, and he will return home and >have his wife back again - everything will be just like in the >beginning. All he experienced was like a horror-trip - maybe that's why >the soundtrack has "The Perfect Drug" by Trent Reznor on it. >By the way, the soundtrack is tremendous. > >Yours truly, >Jakob > >[jakob.straub@nothing.lake.de | http://www.lake.de/home/lake/nothing/] > ._,_, > ,/'`'=. ().-=-.() "If you don't get a goodnight-kiss, > c _','| |=. .=| your dreams will be Kafka-like." > jgs \\_// ( _0_ ) --Calvin & Hobbes > `"` `"""""` >-====================================================================- >Jakob- You're right! The soundtrack is 5 stars! One of the best movie soundtracks ever! David Bowie, Smashing Pumpkins, Lou Reed, Nine Inch Nails etc. This soundtrack rocks!!! Mixed in with mood music. What a movie soundtrack should be. GRZ > > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jakob Straub Subject: [MV] Re: Lost Highway Date: 04 May 1998 15:11:55 +0200 > From: GeminiJef > Subject: Re: [MV] Re: LOST HIGHWAY > > The film seems to say "THIS IS A DAVID LYNCH FILM: SEE HOW WEIRD IT IS" > Weird? yeah; confusing? i guess; good? maybe. It doesn't seem to matter. Oh yes, I think that statement is getting close to it. I mean, when you watch the movie, you indeed get the idea that the director, wether it was Lynch himself or not, wanted the movie to be confusing into extremes. When you watch it several times, you will distinct something in the story from the rest, and each time you will think different of the film. I would say that there is no clear "message" or whatever behind it, because the director hardly knew what he was doing. Yours, Jakob [jakob.straub@nothing.lake.de | http://www.lake.de/home/lake/nothing/] ._,_, ,/'`'=. ().-=-.() "If you don't get a goodnight-kiss, c _','| |=. .=| your dreams will be Kafka-like." jgs \\_// ( _0_ ) --Calvin & Hobbes `"` `"""""` -====================================================================- [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jakob Straub Subject: [MV] RE: Lost Highway, again Date: 04 May 1998 15:19:03 +0200 > From: "NCC2000" > Subject: Re: [MV] Re: LOST HIGHWAY > > I'm a big David Lynch fan and I really enjoyed Lost Highway. In my opinion, > the more you think about the movie and try to figure it out the less you > will like it. This is the reason I liked it. I don't think there are two > people who will come to the same conclusion after watching the movie. Right. I don't even know why the title was "Lost Highway" (I sort of expected a road movie). Maybe because it leads directly from the beginning to the end, but you get lost on the way. So it makes you think, but about nothing special. Yours, Jakob [jakob.straub@nothing.lake.de | http://www.lake.de/home/lake/nothing/] ._,_, ,/'`'=. ().-=-.() "If you don't get a goodnight-kiss, c _','| |=. .=| your dreams will be Kafka-like." jgs \\_// ( _0_ ) --Calvin & Hobbes `"` `"""""` -====================================================================- [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jakob Straub Subject: [MV] Re: Mimic Date: 04 May 1998 15:23:07 +0200 > From: gary zeig > Subject: [MV] Mimic > > All: thumbs up or thumbs down? > > Gary Down, way down, down the drain... I've seen better special effects, the story resembled the one of "The Relic", which I also do not like etc. "The Fly" is way better. [jakob.straub@nothing.lake.de | http://www.lake.de/home/lake/nothing/] ._,_, ,/'`'=. ().-=-.() "If you don't get a goodnight-kiss, c _','| |=. .=| your dreams will be Kafka-like." jgs \\_// ( _0_ ) --Calvin & Hobbes `"` `"""""` -====================================================================- [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gary zeig Subject: Re: [MV] Re: Lost Highway Date: 04 May 1998 15:38:11 -0400 >> From: GeminiJef >> Subject: Re: [MV] Re: LOST HIGHWAY >> >> The film seems to say "THIS IS A DAVID LYNCH FILM: SEE HOW WEIRD IT IS" >> Weird? yeah; confusing? i guess; good? maybe. It doesn't seem to matter. > >Oh yes, I think that statement is getting close to it. I mean, when you >watch the movie, you indeed get the idea that the director, wether it >was Lynch himself or not, wanted the movie to be confusing into >extremes. When you watch it several times, you will distinct something >in the story from the rest, and each time you will think different of >the film. I would say that there is no clear "message" or whatever >behind it, because the director hardly knew what he was doing. > >Yours, Jakob > >[jakob.straub@nothing.lake.de | http://www.lake.de/home/lake/nothing/] > ._,_, > ,/'`'=. ().-=-.() "If you don't get a goodnight-kiss, > c _','| |=. .=| your dreams will be Kafka-like." > jgs \\_// ( _0_ ) --Calvin & Hobbes > `"` `"""""` >-====================================================================- > I don't know if I totally agree with you. The film itself ( An aside- You would realize that Bruce was responding to my request to watch the film, but that happened before you joined the list, by the way, I too think it was a great movie and until recently I couldn't find anyone to agree with me on that. So thanks...) is fairly clear to me. I think maybe David Lynch tried too hard to be mystical and surreal with this one, though. I don't think repeated viewings distort or change anything for me, maybe just refine the viewers understanding of the film. It's all about interpretation. Three people will watch it and see three different things. But I think the main message is that this is a vision of hell. Lynch shows this by what happens to Pullman in the movie. A lot of >what happens to him and Getty( as well) was out of their control. But you >know that something he has done in his past life has caused this to happen >to him. And you realize that Patricia Arquette (whom I thought was >brilliant in the film) leaves him as Pullman but comes to him as Getty. >But she then tells Getty" You'll never have me! "Which is consistent with >the film's direction. I think you or I as a viewer either get it or not. I >think we as critics have a tendency to look for minute details and if you >do that with this film you will go buggy. It all adds up to a vision of >hell. It's not a pretty movie to watch, but it's a dark, bleak (and >accurate) depiction for sure. Lost Highway the name says it all. He's lost >on the highway of life. Why? Maybe because all these details the film is >giving you add up to this happening to him. But then again, that's just my >opinion. My take on the film. I really believe the people who don't like >this film don't understand this film. I too agree Blue Velvet was a >classic. GRZ > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gary zeig Subject: Re: [MV] RE: Lost Highway, again Date: 04 May 1998 15:50:08 -0400 >> From: "NCC2000" >> Subject: Re: [MV] Re: LOST HIGHWAY >> >> I'm a big David Lynch fan and I really enjoyed Lost Highway. In my opinion, >> the more you think about the movie and try to figure it out the less you >> will like it. This is the reason I liked it. I don't think there are two >> people who will come to the same conclusion after watching the movie. > >Right. I don't even know why the title was "Lost Highway" (I sort of >expected a road movie). Maybe because it leads directly from the >beginning to the end, but you get lost on the way. >So it makes you think, but about nothing special. > >Yours, Jakob > > >[jakob.straub@nothing.lake.de | http://www.lake.de/home/lake/nothing/] > ._,_, > ,/'`'=. ().-=-.() "If you don't get a goodnight-kiss, > c _','| |=. .=| your dreams will be Kafka-like." > jgs \\_// ( _0_ ) --Calvin & Hobbes > `"` `"""""` >-====================================================================- >I also feel this movie is David Lynch's answer to the question, What is >hell like? This is a living, changing view of hell. Which is no so much a place as a state of (Pullman's )mind. MY 2 cents GRZ > > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GeminiJef Subject: Re: [MV] RE: Lost Highway, again Date: 05 May 1998 04:09:02 EDT In a message dated 98-05-04 15:51:53 EDT, you write: << Right. I don't even know why the title was "Lost Highway" (I sort of expected a road movie). Maybe because it leads directly from the beginning to the end, but you get lost on the way. So it makes you think, but about nothing special. Yours, Jakob >> Well, one thing's for sure; i thought an awful lot about Patricia Arquette . . . ! And that's pretty special, if you ask me. :-) [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Carmine Pascuzzi." Subject: Re: [MV] Great Expectations soundtrack Date: 05 May 1998 22:23:48 +1000 Hi Did you know that The Beatles recorded Besame Mucho as a single. It was recorded in England on 1 January 1962. I have the picture sleeve single of it. There have been many releases of it. It's been a popular song amongst the Italian community here in Melbourne. Unfortunately, I don't have the English translation for it. Carmine >Need to ask three questions about the soundtrack for the movie Great >Expectations: > >1) Does anybody know if there is a classical soundtrack for the movie, that >is available in the market? I thought the classical soundtrack was quite >beautifully done, but a pity that there was only ONE classical track on the >soundtrack that I bought... > >2) Could anybody help to translate the lyrics in "Besame Mucho"? For those >who haven't got the soundtrack, the lyrics go: > >Besame >Besame Mucho >Como si fuera esta noche la ultima vez > >Besame >Besame Mucho >Que tengo miedo pederte, perderte otra vez > >Quiero tenerte muy cerca Merarme en tus ojos verte junto a mi > >Piensa que tal vez manana yo ya estare lejos muy lejos de ti. > >Besame >Besame Mucho >Que tengo miedo perderte, perderte despues > >3) I thought I heard an English version of the song. What was the title of >that song in English? And how do the lyrics go? > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Culligan Subject: Re: [MV] Re: Mimic Date: 05 May 1998 20:16:10 -0400 I have to disagree on what seems to be general opinion here. I liked the underground gothic atmosphere created in the Grand Central Station tunnels. It reminded my of older 'B' type horror movies. I also thought the movie was supenseful enough to keep my interest. Another monster movie I liked for many of the same reasons, but which wasn't reviewed to well, was last years Anaconda. It reminded me so much of the 'Creature from the Black Lagoon'. Give me the old time look and feel of a monster movie with some updated special effects anyday! Monster movies like Starship Troopers and Lost In Space you can just toss in the trash! At 03:23 PM 5/4/98 +0200, you wrote: >> From: gary zeig >> Subject: [MV] Mimic >> >> All: thumbs up or thumbs down? >> >> Gary > >Down, way down, down the drain... >I've seen better special effects, the story resembled the one of "The >Relic", which I also do not like etc. >"The Fly" is way better. > > >[jakob.straub@nothing.lake.de | http://www.lake.de/home/lake/nothing/] > ._,_, > ,/'`'=. ().-=-.() "If you don't get a goodnight-kiss, > c _','| |=. .=| your dreams will be Kafka-like." > jgs \\_// ( _0_ ) --Calvin & Hobbes > `"` `"""""` >-====================================================================- > > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gary zeig Subject: [MV] Sharon Stone and Gene Hackman Date: 05 May 1998 22:29:32 -0400 >Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 22:26:51 -0400 >To: movies@list.xmission.com >From: gary zeig >Subject: Sharon Stone and Gene Hackman >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >Earlier today, a friend asked me who my favorite movie stars were. I would >have to say that my favorite actress and actor are Sharon and Gene. >I really like their range and versatility of roles. >I don't think Gene Hackman has been in a bad movie yet. >I really liked him in Absolute Power. >I also think The Quick and the Dead was a cute movie, but not for everyone. >I am not into Westerns but I liked its corniness. >Any comments? > > >GRZ > > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GeminiJef Subject: [MV] The Quick the Dead and Sam Raimi Date: 06 May 1998 00:05:27 EDT In a message dated 98-05-05 23:31:11 EDT, you write: << The Quick and the Dead was a cute movie, but not for everyone. >I am not into Westerns but I liked its corniness. >Any comments? > >> The Quick and the Dead took every silly spaghetti western and turned it into a cool Sam Raimi directed fun-filled fest. With his peculiar camera angles and camera tricks, the film is worth watching just for that. Then, of course, Gene Hackman is always as cool as ice. I always thought he should have been able to kick Clint's ass in "Unforgiven" That's where the movie lost all credibility for me. Now, as far as versatility, i don't know, but he is good nonetheless. [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "NCC2000" Subject: Re: [MV] Sharon Stone and Gene Hackman Date: 05 May 1998 22:11:55 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BD7872.D0A326C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gene Hackman is also one of my favorites. He was great in Crimson Tide and Unforgiven. I have mixed feelings for Sharon Stone. She was at her best in Casino, but Last Dance and Diabolique were awful. My favorite actor and actress would have to be Gary Oldman and Julia Ormond. The Professional is a must see, Oldman is terrific. I have yet to see a movie with Julia Ormond that I have not enjoyed. Smila's Sense of Snow, Sabrina, Legends of the Fall, and Captives are all great movies. Nelson ---------- > From: gary zeig > To: movies@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [MV] Sharon Stone and Gene Hackman > Date: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 8:29 PM > > >Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 22:26:51 -0400 > >To: movies@list.xmission.com > >From: gary zeig > >Subject: Sharon Stone and Gene Hackman > >Cc: > >Bcc: > >X-Attachments: > > > >Earlier today, a friend asked me who my favorite movie stars were. I would > >have to say that my favorite actress and actor are Sharon and Gene. > >I really like their range and versatility of roles. > >I don't think Gene Hackman has been in a bad movie yet. > >I really liked him in Absolute Power. > >I also think The Quick and the Dead was a cute movie, but not for everyone. > >I am not into Westerns but I liked its corniness. > >Any comments? > > > > > >GRZ > > > > > > > > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------=_NextPart_000_01BD7872.D0A326C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Gene Hackman is also one of my = favorites. He was great in Crimson Tide and Unforgiven. I have mixed = feelings for Sharon Stone. She was at her best in Casino, but Last Dance = and Diabolique were awful.

My favorite actor and actress would = have to be Gary Oldman and Julia Ormond. The Professional is a must see, = Oldman is terrific. I have yet to see a movie with Julia Ormond that I = have not enjoyed. Smila's Sense of Snow, Sabrina, Legends of the Fall, = and Captives are all great movies. =

Nelson

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I = would >>have to say that my favorite actress and actor are Sharon and Gene. >>I really like their range and versatility of roles. >>I don't think Gene Hackman has been in a bad movie yet. >>I really liked him in Absolute Power. >>I also think The Quick and the Dead was a cute movie, but not for = everyone. >>I am not into Westerns but I liked its corniness. >>Any comments? >> >> >>GRZ >> >> > > > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ]= >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ]= > >RFC822 header >----------------------------------- > >Received: from lists.xmission.com ("port 51726"@[198.60.22.7]) > by acad2.drake.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #23424) > with SMTP id <01IWOVFWEJI0003B0P@acad2.drake.edu> for bgs006@drake.edu; = Tue, > 5 May 1998 22:30:19 CDT >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yWusU-0006Qi-00; Tue, 05 May 1998 21:28:18 -0600 >Received: from (pgh.nauticom.net) [198.190.226.3] by lists.xmission.com = with > esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yWusR-0006QG-00; Tue, 05 May 1998 21:28:15 -= 0600 >Received: from [204.171.127.186] (186.net8.nauticom.net [204.171.127.186])= > by pgh.nauticom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA00611 for > ; Tue, 05 May 1998 23:25:57 -0400 (EDT) >Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 22:29:32 -0400 >From: gary zeig >Subject: [MV] Sharon Stone and Gene Hackman >Sender: owner-movies@lists.xmission.com >To: movies@lists.xmission.com >Reply-to: movies@lists.xmission.com >Message-id: >MIME-version: 1.0 >Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" >Precedence: bulk > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GeminiJef Subject: [MV] Actors and Actress and Those Whom we Adore Date: 06 May 1998 00:29:29 EDT In a message dated 98-05-05 23:31:11 EDT, you write: << >Earlier today, a friend asked me who my favorite movie stars were. >> Favourite actors/actresses i would have to say are: Kevin Kline: brilliant from Shakespeare (Midsummer Night's Dream) to musical (Pirates of Penzance) to comedic (In & Out) to Dramatic (Ice Storm) the man is a veritable actor of actors. Goldie Hawn: cute, funny, and knows how to have a great time making a movie. Everyone of her movies is so fun to watch. Vincent D'Onofrio: now that's versatility Excellent performances include Feeling Minnesota & Men In Black. The man is going places! Meg Ryan: I always enjoy women in comedic roles; because they're too often type-caste being whiny miserable nagging, cry-baby, wenches whom i care very little about. (please diregard "When a Man Loves a Woman). But Meg in Joe vs the Volcanoe was just perfect. Underated movie by the by. She was also incredible in the new City of Angels flick. Bravo, Meg! Nicholas Cage: As peculiar and unpredictable a personality as you can figure. His perspectives on acting are just so original, i can't praise his talent enough. However, i would like to make a disclaimer about City of Angels that he was tired and hadn't finished reading the script, i'm sure, when they began filming. Can't tell you what happened. Sorry, Nick. Mary Stuart Masterson: She's just so lovely to watch. She has the flair and bravada of a queen. I just wish i knew where she was. Last i saw, she had a small part in the Postman (no snide comments please) and did a TV Chrismas movie on Lifetime. But i could watch Benny & Joon a million times. Liam Neeson: He has got to be one of the most intuitively sensitive actors out there. You can see every emotion he feels without him saying a word. A brilliant actor. It is such a shame that so few actors or actresses have the same intensity to match him on screen. In "Before & After'" even Meryl Streep seemed a little flustered to be working with such class A acting. I can't wait to see Les Miserables. Madonna: Hopefully she's got her rebellious, i-wanna-show-you-i'm-all-about- sex phase over with and she'll finally be doing some more movies with the calibre of Evita. I know she can act; she just has to get over her immaturity. Do it for Lourdes, Ma. Robin Williams: such an underated actor. Just as Tom Hanks was and probably still is. i am thrilled for Robin's Oscar win. He deserves it not only for Good Will Hunting but for every other incredible performance he's done over the last 25 years. He should win a lifetime achievement award for the works he's done. From "Good Morning Vietnam" to "Mrs. Doubtfire" he's been nothing short of astounding. Mercedes Ruehl: She's like fire when she's on screen. Burning coals in Lost in Yonkers, a towering inferno in Fisher King. Amazing talent. I'd also like to add that Terry Gilliam is my favourite director. Having come from the pits of Monty Python, and directing those films, he's done some of the most creative directing and creative films to date. 12 Monkeys, Brazil, Baron Muenchausen, Time Bandits, Fisher King, and the much anticipated (by me) Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas. [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gary zeig Subject: Re: [MV] Actors and Actress and Those Whom we Adore Date: 06 May 1998 12:52:44 -0400 >In a message dated 98-05-05 23:31:11 EDT, you write: > ><< >Earlier today, a friend asked me who my favorite movie stars were. >> > >Favourite actors/actresses i would have to say are: > >Kevin Kline: brilliant from Shakespeare (Midsummer Night's Dream) to musical >(Pirates of Penzance) to comedic (In & Out) to Dramatic (Ice Storm) the man is >a veritable actor of actors. > >Goldie Hawn: cute, funny, and knows how to have a great time making a movie. >Everyone of her movies is so fun to watch. > >Vincent D'Onofrio: now that's versatility Excellent performances include >Feeling Minnesota & Men In Black. The man is going places! > >Meg Ryan: I always enjoy women in comedic roles; because they're too often >type-caste being whiny miserable nagging, cry-baby, wenches whom i care very >little about. (please diregard "When a Man Loves a Woman). But Meg in Joe vs >the Volcanoe was just perfect. Underated movie by the by. She was also >incredible in the new City of Angels flick. Bravo, Meg! > >Nicholas Cage: As peculiar and unpredictable a personality as you can figure. >His perspectives on acting are just so original, i can't praise his talent >enough. However, i would like to make a disclaimer about City of Angels that >he was tired and hadn't finished reading the script, i'm sure, when they began >filming. Can't tell you what happened. Sorry, Nick. > >Mary Stuart Masterson: She's just so lovely to watch. She has the flair and >bravada of a queen. I just wish i knew where she was. Last i saw, she had a >small part in the Postman (no snide comments please) and did a TV Chrismas >movie on Lifetime. But i could watch Benny & Joon a million times. > >Liam Neeson: He has got to be one of the most intuitively sensitive actors out >there. You can see every emotion he feels without him saying a word. A >brilliant actor. It is such a shame that so few actors or actresses have the >same intensity to match him on screen. In "Before & After'" even Meryl Streep >seemed a little flustered to be working with such class A acting. I can't >wait to see Les Miserables. > >Madonna: Hopefully she's got her rebellious, i-wanna-show-you-i'm-all-about- >sex phase over with and she'll finally be doing some more movies with the >calibre of Evita. I know she can act; she just has to get over her >immaturity. Do it for Lourdes, Ma. > >Robin Williams: such an underated actor. Just as Tom Hanks was and probably >still is. i am thrilled for Robin's Oscar win. He deserves it not only for >Good Will Hunting but for every other incredible performance he's done over >the last 25 years. He should win a lifetime achievement award for the works >he's done. From "Good Morning Vietnam" to "Mrs. Doubtfire" he's been nothing >short of astounding. > >Mercedes Ruehl: She's like fire when she's on screen. Burning coals in Lost >in Yonkers, a towering inferno in Fisher King. Amazing talent. > >I'd also like to add that Terry Gilliam is my favourite director. Having come >from the pits of Monty Python, and directing those films, he's done some of >the most creative directing and creative films to date. 12 Monkeys, Brazil, >Baron Muenchausen, Time Bandits, Fisher King, and the much anticipated (by me) >Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas. > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] I too am anticipating Fear & Loathing. I'm also a big fan of Johnny Depp's work.Thought he was great in Benny & Joon and even better in Gilbert Grape! Speaking of versatility certainly he has that. Also like Kenneth Branagh an awful lot. He was great in Triplecross and Doublecross, two very underrated made for tv movies. Also like Robert Blake, he's like an honest cigar always gives you your money worth. And wanna mention Matthew McConaughey(A Time to Kill) too. Other actresses I admire include Patricia and Roseanna Arquette, Tia Carrere not just because she's beautiful: she does a cool woman of style better than anyone alive. I think highly of Jennifer Aniston's potential and Julia Roberts work too. Think Jennifer Tilly gets not enough credit (DId anyone see her in the intense Bound???) And let's not forget the underrated Annabella Sciorra and Linda Fiorentino. I also like Liv Tyler, Parker Posey and think Angeline Jolie(Gia) is talented as well. Looking for big things from her in the near future. Paige Turico from Party of Five is lovely and can flat out act! I know this is the movies list, but I just had to say that!!! GRZ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Toni S." Subject: Re: [MV] Re: Mimic Date: 06 May 1998 23:29:50 +0100 Has anyone seen Bill Murray's The Man Who Knew Too Little? What's the buzz? [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Culligan Subject: Re: [MV] Actors and Actress and Those Whom we Adore Date: 06 May 1998 19:11:20 -0400 Living or dead?? My favorite actor live?? Christopher Walken. Haven't seen him in a lot of good lead roles but when it comes to supporting roles...second-to-none! Dead?? Jimmy Stewart. Talk about versatile! Favorite actress live?? Got to go with Marisa Tomei. Beautiful and strong at the same time. I wish she would do more movies! Dead?? For me, its gotta be Ingrid Bergman. Not only a great actress but the most beautiful women, IMHO, to ever grace the silver screen. At 12:29 AM 5/6/98 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-05-05 23:31:11 EDT, you write: > ><< >Earlier today, a friend asked me who my favorite movie stars were. >> > >Favourite actors/actresses i would have to say are: > >Kevin Kline: brilliant from Shakespeare (Midsummer Night's Dream) to musical >(Pirates of Penzance) to comedic (In & Out) to Dramatic (Ice Storm) the man is >a veritable actor of actors. > >Goldie Hawn: cute, funny, and knows how to have a great time making a movie. >Everyone of her movies is so fun to watch. > >Vincent D'Onofrio: now that's versatility Excellent performances include >Feeling Minnesota & Men In Black. The man is going places! > >Meg Ryan: I always enjoy women in comedic roles; because they're too often >type-caste being whiny miserable nagging, cry-baby, wenches whom i care very >little about. (please diregard "When a Man Loves a Woman). But Meg in Joe vs >the Volcanoe was just perfect. Underated movie by the by. She was also >incredible in the new City of Angels flick. Bravo, Meg! > >Nicholas Cage: As peculiar and unpredictable a personality as you can figure. >His perspectives on acting are just so original, i can't praise his talent >enough. However, i would like to make a disclaimer about City of Angels that >he was tired and hadn't finished reading the script, i'm sure, when they began >filming. Can't tell you what happened. Sorry, Nick. > >Mary Stuart Masterson: She's just so lovely to watch. She has the flair and >bravada of a queen. I just wish i knew where she was. Last i saw, she had a >small part in the Postman (no snide comments please) and did a TV Chrismas >movie on Lifetime. But i could watch Benny & Joon a million times. > >Liam Neeson: He has got to be one of the most intuitively sensitive actors out >there. You can see every emotion he feels without him saying a word. A >brilliant actor. It is such a shame that so few actors or actresses have the >same intensity to match him on screen. In "Before & After'" even Meryl Streep >seemed a little flustered to be working with such class A acting. I can't >wait to see Les Miserables. > >Madonna: Hopefully she's got her rebellious, i-wanna-show-you-i'm-all-about- >sex phase over with and she'll finally be doing some more movies with the >calibre of Evita. I know she can act; she just has to get over her >immaturity. Do it for Lourdes, Ma. > >Robin Williams: such an underated actor. Just as Tom Hanks was and probably >still is. i am thrilled for Robin's Oscar win. He deserves it not only for >Good Will Hunting but for every other incredible performance he's done over >the last 25 years. He should win a lifetime achievement award for the works >he's done. From "Good Morning Vietnam" to "Mrs. Doubtfire" he's been nothing >short of astounding. > >Mercedes Ruehl: She's like fire when she's on screen. Burning coals in Lost >in Yonkers, a towering inferno in Fisher King. Amazing talent. > >I'd also like to add that Terry Gilliam is my favourite director. Having come >from the pits of Monty Python, and directing those films, he's done some of >the most creative directing and creative films to date. 12 Monkeys, Brazil, >Baron Muenchausen, Time Bandits, Fisher King, and the much anticipated (by me) >Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas. > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Cormier Subject: Re: [MV]Sam Raimi Date: 06 May 1998 22:04:07 -0700 I am a huge fan of the Raimi man...Evil Dead series is so damned creative! Tons of cool shots and cinematography...plus it was just too funny! Darkman was also very interesting - and although it is not based on a comic book - I think that that movie is the closest thing to a comic book you'll ever get (besides the cool colours and sets of Dick Tracy). Also - did you know that Raimi and the Coen Bros. are close friends - their first move together was a silly little movie called Crimewave which has its moments and also Raimi co-wrote The Hudsucker Proxy which is definitely my favourite comedy of all time!! Up next for the Raimi man is A Simple Plan with Nicholas Cage..can't wait! jay At 12:05 AM 5/6/1998 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-05-05 23:31:11 EDT, you write: > ><<<< The Quick and the Dead was a cute movie, but not for everyone. > >I am not into Westerns but I liked its corniness. > >Any comments? > > >> > >The Quick and the Dead took every silly spaghetti western and turned it into a >cool Sam Raimi directed fun-filled fest. With his peculiar camera angles and >camera tricks, the film is worth watching just for that. > >Then, of course, Gene Hackman is always as cool as ice. I always thought he >should have been able to kick Clint's ass in "Unforgiven" That's where the >movie lost all credibility for me. Now, as far as versatility, i don't know, >but he is good nonetheless. > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > Wanna see a movie? Get all the facts on all the FLIX... www.netcom.ca/~movieman [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gary zeig Subject: [MV] The Peacemaker-Thumbs Up Date: 07 May 1998 00:19:35 -0400 Finally got around to renting this movie! Was impressed by its attention to detail. Enjoyed Nicole Kidman's performance (maybe a little too manic at times, but nevertheless enchanting) and it was nice to see George Clooney play the tough (but good-hearted) guy. You could tell this was a big budget picture from the beginning. I especially admired the photography of the Slovakian terrain (representing the USSR in the movie). As far as action pictures go, this one actually had a plot and didn't bore me to tears. I, for one, am looking forward to future SKG productions! The Peacemaker's lack of mega box office appeal stems, I believe, not because it wasn't a good movie but instead because this movie is similar to a lot of other action/adventure/terrorism movies. I think it kinda got lost in the shuffle. But well worth the $2 to rent! I am very critical of modern movies and rarely recommend a new movie, but I will say this one is worthy of your time and money, if for no other reason than it is a good story and a well filmed story, which is a somewhat rare combination these days. Gary [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mel Eperthener Subject: [MV] The Man Who Should Know Better... Date: 07 May 1998 01:54:48 -0400 At 11.29 PM 06/05/98 +0100, you wrote: >Has anyone seen Bill Murray's The Man Who Knew Too Little? >What's the buzz? Not as bad as the reviews made it sound, but not going to win any awards (not even a Razzie:-) I saw it not long after seeing The Game, and there were some plot similarities that struck me. Watch it if there is nothing else available. Watch it before Bean. With the exception of The Full Monty and In & Out (which I did not particulary like), there aren't many new comedies on the video shelves, so it might be amongst the best choices. But don't expect Groundhog Day. Regards, --Mel --Mel Eperthener president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty email: bcassidy@usaor.net gowanna@australiamail.com http://www.webz.com/gowanna 419 Butler Street PO Box 95184 Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184 (412) 781-6140 (412) 781-6380 1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE ____________________________________________ That was a wicked googly! --Jerry Seinfeld, AMEX commercial ______________________________________________ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mel Eperthener Subject: Re: [MV] The Peacemaker-Thumbs Up Date: 07 May 1998 02:26:44 -0400 At 12.19 AM 07/05/98 -0400, Gary wrote: >Finally got around to renting this movie! Was impressed by its attention to >detail. What I liked most about it was the way that they showed the military working together. Most movies of this genre have the heroes as outsiders, fighting to save the world themselves. Here, Clooney and Kidman were working WITH the military, not against them. When they tried to shut down NYC, I felt this was rather realistic in how they would try (and fail) to handle the situation in Real Life (TM). Any other movie would have them finding the terrorist themselves, without any help (and with much hinderance) I'd give it a thumbs-up, too Regards, --Mel --Mel Eperthener president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty email: bcassidy@usaor.net gowanna@australiamail.com http://www.webz.com/gowanna 419 Butler Street PO Box 95184 Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184 (412) 781-6140 (412) 781-6380 1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE ____________________________________________ That was a wicked googly! --Jerry Seinfeld, AMEX commercial ______________________________________________ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gary zeig Subject: Re: [MV] The Peacemaker-Thumbs Up Date: 07 May 1998 10:54:48 -0400 >At 12.19 AM 07/05/98 -0400, Gary wrote: >>Finally got around to renting this movie! Was impressed by its attention to >>detail. > >What I liked most about it was the way that they showed the military >working together. Most movies of this genre have the heroes as outsiders, >fighting to save the world themselves. Here, Clooney and Kidman were >working WITH the military, not against them. When they tried to shut down >NYC, I felt this was rather realistic in how they would try (and fail) to >handle the situation in Real Life (TM). Any other movie would have them >finding the terrorist themselves, without any help (and with much hinderance) > >I'd give it a thumbs-up, too > >Regards, > >--Mel > > >--Mel Eperthener >president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty > >email: bcassidy@usaor.net > gowanna@australiamail.com > >http://www.webz.com/gowanna > >419 Butler Street >PO Box 95184 >Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184 >(412) 781-6140 >(412) 781-6380 >1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE >____________________________________________ >That was a wicked googly! > --Jerry Seinfeld, AMEX commercial >______________________________________________ > > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] Mel- Right on about the realism. I liked the fact that some of the good guys died while pursuing the terrorists. Very few movies would have the courage to show a helicopter shot down and 9 good guys die. Then in NYC several innocent bystanders were shot in the exchange of gunfire. I found this surprising, yet more realistic. I think the message here was that no one really won in this situation. Obviously, this victory came with a price. It would have been better to avoid this situation altogether. And it also shows that people use other people for selfish causes. I also liked the confusion about 44E on the invoice. First Nicole Kidman thought it meant a longitude reading for Sarajevo. Then later she realized her mistake and understood it meant a street address in NYC , the destination of the terrorist. This was very plausible. Overall, a very enjoyable movie with a strong anti-terrorism message. It made me think, and I guess that's what a good movie often does. GRZ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jakob Straub Subject: [MV] Re: Mimic Date: 07 May 1998 15:24:43 +0200 > From: Chris Culligan > Subject: Re: [MV] Re: Mimic > > I have to disagree on what seems to be general opinion here. I liked the > underground gothic atmosphere created in the Grand Central Station tunnels. > It reminded my of older 'B' type horror movies. > Give me the old time look and feel of a monster movie with some > updated special effects anyday! Monster movies like Starship Troopers and > Lost In Space you can just toss in the trash! Mimic is like a B-Picture, indeed. Maybe future viewers will give it a better rating when they catch it at some videostore... Starship Troopers is NOT a Monster movie. It's full of bugs, yes, but that's not the main topic. It has a message behind its facist look. Jakob [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Dequina Subject: [MV] The Movie Report#141, 5/7/98 Date: 07 May 1998 13:26:51 -0700 T H E M O V I E R E P O R T #141 MAY 7, 1998 Just 8 more shopping days left until my 22nd b-day... (if you need gift ideas, let me know... ;-)) =>T H I S W E E K<= M O V I E S -Deep Impact -Woo -Black Dog -Go Now V I D E O -Alien Resurrection -Gattaca -Mouse Hunt E V E N T S -Woo premiere Select reviews are available at Hollywood Hotline on CompuServe and: http://www.HollywoodHotline.com ...on Albany Online at: http://www.AlbanyOnline.com ...and the Eyepiece Network at: http://www.eyepiece.com Mr. Brown's Movie Site and The Movie Report are in serious need of your help. Visit: http://members.tripod.com/~MrBrown/support.html For that, links to the official websites of all the current films, past reviews, exclusive Hollywood event photos, live MovieChat, movie discussion board, movie theme MIDI files, Trivia Blitz, and more, visit Mr. Brown's Movie Site at: http://welcome.to/mrbrown Please don't forget to sign the guestbook... all movies graded out of four stars (****) ~~~ =>M O V I E S<= N E W R E L E A S E S Hollywood Hotline Featured Review Deep Impact (PG-13) *** Before even seeing a single frame of the film, it would be easy to snicker at Deep Impact, in which a comet on a collision course with Earth threatens the existence of all life on the planet. It is the latest entry in this decade's dubious revival of the '70s disaster film, and the first of two "the sky is falling" flicks to hit screens this year (the other being this coming July's Armageddon, in which a meteor is the threat). Its tagline, "Oceans Rise. Cities fall. Hope survives" is not as cornball as that of the utterly ridiculous collapsing tunnel thriller Daylight ("They came in alone... the only way out... is together"), but it's every bit as treacly. The opening moments of Deep Impact offer more to snicker at. The cheesiness is not confined to the disaster movie conventions, such as the usual opening "roll call," in which all the major characters and their personal problems are introduced. The most prominent of the "personal" stories is that of ambitious TV news reporter Jenny Lerner (Tea Leoni), who is distraught that her father (Maximilian Schell) left her mother (Vanessa Redgrave) for a younger woman (Rya Kihlstedt). What is just as snicker-worthy is how this co-venture between Paramount and DreamWorks SKG aggressively pushes another high-profile corporate collaboration, Microsoft and NBC's cable news network MSNBC, which employs Jenny, who is the film's ostensible main character. In the vision of America presented here, MSNBC is the television news source of choice in every home, when in reality it only reaches a fraction of the country. The initial signs point toward something along the lines of a Volcano or Dante's Peak, but there's one thing about Deep Impact I underestimated: the skills of director Mimi Leder. She won an Emmy for her helming work on NBC's smash ER, which is essentially a weekly disaster movie, each episode featuring a new set of guest stars with their own personal and medical crises. The challenge presented by this format to the director is twofold: (1) to make the audience care for these guest characters, regardless of how briefly seen or thinly written they are, and (2) powerfully tug at the emotions without being heavy-handed or overly melodramatic. Having passed the "ER challenge" in numerous episodes and showed a flair for creating suspense in The Peacemaker, Leder could not be a better fit to bring Michael Tolkin and Bruce Joel Rubin's rather formulaic disaster screenplay to screen. As the countdown to impact progresses, the ominous feeling of doom is palpable, leading the final act to take on a surprisingly convincing and affecting emotional dimension. There's nothing here that will profoundly move anyone, but the fact that anything manages to touch the heart is high achievement in a genre generally more concerned with effects. Situations that initially feel contrived, such as Jenny's familial crisis and the teenage romance between Sarah Hotchner (Leelee Sobieski) and comet discoverer Leo Biederman (Elijah Wood), achieve some poignance; and even the more vaguely drawn characters, including U.S. President Tom Beck (Morgan Freeman), astronaut Spurgeon "Fish" Tanner (Robert Duvall), and his rather faceless crew (Ron Eldard, Jon Favreau, Mary McCormack, Blair Underwood, and Alexander Baluyev) aboard the comet-bombing spacecraft Messiah, have their share of touching moments. The latter fact owes a debt to the actors, who all do a solid job and are well-cast, with the possible exception of Leoni; she delivers a decent performance, but her trademark unconventional speech rhythms and line delivery make her somewhat hard to buy as a star news broadcaster. Although its catastrophic theme and impressive special effects work (the giant ocean waves are particularly spectacular) place Deep Impact in the same category as the likes of Twister, it is the first of the '90s disaster films to successfully marry the advanced film technology with emotions that ring true--a film that makes a genuine impact, even if it isn't as deep as hoped. Hollywood Hotline Featured Review Woo (R) ** The title of the comedy Woo is a lie. Taking its name from its party girl protagonist, this sporadically amusing lark seems less concerned with Woo than the more oddball characters and situations circling her. Woo roughly fits the bill of a romantic comedy, and this angle of the film holds some promise. Woo (Jada Pinkett Smith), a fiery, independent young woman who is fixed up on a blind date with square paralegal Tim (Tommy Davidson) by her cousin Claudette's (Paula Jai Parker) boyfriend Lenny (Dave Chappelle). The conflict between Woo's free-spirited, partying ways and the conservatism of the "stuffy" Tim leads to one long, disaster- and embarrassment-filled night for the both of them--but mostly for Tim, of course. In general, the comic complications moderately amuse, but some, like a restaurant fire that Woo inadvertently causes, crash and burn (no pun intended). However, all of this remains watchable, thanks to the two appealing leads. They have a terrific rapport, and Davidson's hilariously high-strung, put-upon straight man manages to upstage the sexy spunk of Pinkett Smith, who never looks less than gorgeous throughout the entire film. If writer David C. Johnson and Daisy v.S. Mayer had stuck with Woo and Tim exclusively, the film wouldn't have been great, but it would have been better than the often meandering movie the complete Woo is. Too often the film becomes sidetracked by the more eccentric peripheral players, such as Claudette, Lenny, and Tim's trio of obnoxious buddies, Frankie (Duane Martin), Romaine (Michael Ralph), and Hop (Darrel Heath). Claudette and Lenny are given a raucous, raunchy showcase scene that is worth a few laughs, but they disappear completely after that, making its necessity questionable. Frankie, Romaine, and Hop are funny at first, but their broadly boorish antics grow old long before they are shown on a side trip at a drag club. Completely out of place is an earnest, barely developed subplot involving Woo's strained relationship with her brother (Dartanyan Edmonds). It's quite telling that the two most memorable supporting characters only appear in one scene each: Darryl (LL Cool J), Tim's slick ladies' man neighbor; and Crayola (Nicci Gilbert), a gossipy police department desk clerk with an attitude problem. Adding to Woo's problems is its jarringly abrupt ending. Although I did not particularly care for the film as a whole, I would not have minded the additional 20 minutes or so dealing that the ending point suggests; it would have given Woo and Tim's relationship a more satisfying and well-rounded closure. But perhaps that would not have been a problem if the entire film had focused entirely on the central couple, which would have made Woo a more satisfying and well-rounded movie. Hollywood Hotline Featured Review Black Dog (PG-13) * In 1990, the surprise success an unheralded little movie called Ghost instantly rescued the moribund careers of its trio of above-the-title stars, Patrick Swayze, Demi Moore, and Whoopi Goldberg. Eight years later, Moore and Goldberg's careers aren't exactly thriving, but they have had their share of screen successes since; the same can't be said of Swayze, who has just added yet another turkey to his resume with the aptly named Black Dog. Forget the Mortal Kombat movies--this trucksploitation flick is the closest the movies has come to video games. Good truck driver Jack Crews (Swayze) must drive a cargo of illegal firearms from Atlanta to New Jersey. Along the way, Jack and his crew of three run into a number of obstacles--such as a highway weigh station, evil truckers, and deadly Uzi-firing motorcyclists. Every so often, like at the end of a video game "level" or "stage," the main baddie pops up: Red (Meat Loaf, fresh from the triumph of Spice World), who wants to steal the cache of guns. Just in case you forget his name or have trouble keeping track of who's driving what, all of Red's vehicles, be it a pickup or a big rig, are painted--you guessed it--red. I could go into more of the plot specifics (such as Jack's dream of having a nice home with his family, the past trauma that sent him to prison and cost him his trucking license, the FBI/ATF crew tracking the cargo), but they are of little importance. All that matters to director Kevin Hooks and writers William Mickelberry and Dan Vining are the obstacles Jack confronts in his drive from point A to point B. But they fail at even this modest goal, for none of the highway chaos, as credibly staged as it is, is terribly interesting, let alone exciting. Once you've seen a couple of trucks bang against each other or a big rig explode the first time, you've seen it every time. As dreary as Black Dog is as an entertainment, the saddest part about the film has nothing to do with what shows up onscreen; it's that Swayze has to reduce himself to such work. While far from the best of actors, he is certainly not horrible, and he is a charismatic presence. I don't know if it's his judgment or the dearth of quality job offers that leads him to involve himself with bombs such as Black Dog. Regardless, if he continues on this career track, could a TV series be far behind? IN BRIEF Go Now *** In this 1995 BBC production just now receiving a release in the states, a Scottish soccer player/construction worker Nick Cameron's (Robert Carlyle) development of multiple sclerosis turns his life and his relationship with live-in love Karen Walker (Juliet Aubrey) upside down. What keeps this effort from director Michael Winterbottom (known for 1996's Jude and last year's Welcome to Sarajevo) from becoming one of those disease-of-the week TV movies is his and screenwriters Paul Henry Powell and Jimmy McGovern's sense of humor, which gives the often dour proceedings some refreshing levity. While there are quite a few funny moments (most courtesy of James Nesbitt, playing a boorish friend of Nick's), Go Now is, in the end, a story of the heart brought beautifully to life by the poignant, perfect performances by Carlyle and Aubrey. (opens May 15 in Los Angeles) IN CURRENT RELEASE (full reviews of the following in past MRs and at the listed URLs) -Barney's Great Adventure--The Movie (G) ** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#barney -The Big Hit (R) ** 1/2 http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt32.html#bighit -The Butcher Boy (R) *** 1/2 http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#butcherboy -Chinese Box (R) ** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt30.html#chinesebox -City of Angels (PG-13) ** 1/2 http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#angels -Dangerous Beauty (R) ** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt26.html#dangerous -Fireworks (Hana-Bi) *** 1/2 http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt32.html#hanabi -Good Will Hunting (R) *** 1/2 http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt26.html#gwh -He Got Game (R) *** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt33.html#hegotgame -Les Miserables (PG-13) *** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt32.html#lesmiz -Lost in Space (PG-13) * http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#lost -Mercury Rising (R) * 1/2 http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#mercury -The Object of My Affection (R) *** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt33.html#affection -The Players Club (R) ** 1/2 http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#players -Primary Colors (R) *** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt30.html#primarycolors -Scream 2 (R) *** 1/2 http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt26.html#scream2 -Shooting Fish (PG) ** 1/2 http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt32.html#fish -Sliding Doors (PG-13) *** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt33.html#doors -Sonatine (R) *** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt32.html#sonatine -The Spanish Prisoner (R) *** 1/2 http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#prisoner -Species II (R) * http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt32.html#species2 -Tarzan and the Lost City (PG-13) no stars http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt33.html#tarzan -Titanic (PG-13) **** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt26.html#titanic -Two Girls and a Guy (R) ** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#2girls O N T H E H O R I Z O N FRIDAY Artemisia (R) French-language drama detailing true-life story of 17th-century painter Artemisia Gentileschi (Valentina Cervi), the first female to succeed in the Italian art world. Deep Impact (PG-13) *** Effective, affecting effects-laden disaster flick in which the Earth is threatened by a comet. Robert Duvall, Tea Leoni, Elijah Wood, and Morgan Freeman star. Homegrown (R) Expanding after a test run in Seattle is this comedy in which a group of farm hands run their own marijuana plantation. Billy Bob Thornton, Kelly Lynch, John Lithgow, Jamie Lee Curtis, and Jon Bon Jovi star. Little Men (PG) Adaptation of Louisa May Alcott's follow-up to Little Women, with Mariel Hemingway as the grown-up Jo March. Shopping for Fangs (R) Indie psychological thriller in which an accounting clerk turns into a werewolf. Woo (R) ** The appealing pairing of Jada Pinkett Smith and Tommy Davidson isn't enough to carry Daisy v.S. Mayer's messy comedy. ~~~ =>V I D E O<= N E W T H I S W E E K Alien Resurrection (R) *** Entertaining resurrection of the venerable sci-fi franchise, in which a clone of stalwart heroine Ripley (Sigourney Weaver) fights more phallic-headed aliens. Winona Ryder also joins the battle, stylishly directed by Jean-Pierre Jeunet. (20th Century Fox Home Entertainment) Gattaca (PG-13) *** Intriguing sci-fi drama set in a world ruled by genetic engineering. Newlywed parents-to-be Ethan Hawke and Uma Thurman first met on this project. (Columbia TriStar Home Video) Mouse Hunt (PG) ** 1/2 Mildly entertaining Home Alone-style slapstick antics with a mouse, starring Nathan Lane, Lee Evans, and Christopher Walken. (Universal Studios Home Video) A L S O N E W T H I S W E E K For Richer or Poorer (PG-13) Tim Allen and Kirstie Alley play a wealthy, bickering couple hiding out in an Amish community in this comedy, which quickly got lost in the box office shuffle in the wake of Titanic. (Universal Studios Home Video) ~~~ =>E V E N T S<= May 5, 1998 -- Woo premiere I enjoyed one of my all-too-rare adventures on the other side of the barricade at Tuesday's premiere of New Line Cinema's Woo at the Cinerama Dome in Hollywood. I was actually granted a VIP invitation to the event, going the whole nine yards in walking up the carpet, passing by the familar mob of autograph hounds in the fan pit, telling security guards who asked for my ticket that it was waiting at the will call table (for some reason, I always wanted to be in a position to say that). Freshly picked-up invitation in hand, I made it to the door, where I was greeted by a trio of publicists, one who took my invitation, another who gave me a pass to the afterparty, and a third who took the envelope in which my invitation came. Once in, I parked myself in the lobby to watch people arriving before I took my seat in the auditorium. A handful of familiar faces walked by as small pockets of people gradually collected in the lobby: Boyz N the Hood's Morris Chestnut; Clueless co-star Donald Faison; unjustly Oscar-nod-snubbed Eve's Bayou co-star and ABC daytime TV legend Debbi Morgan (to whom I felt compelled to say hello; she didn't appear to hear me); and co-star of Lone Star and the current Black Dog, Gabriel Casseus. Before long, the projected 7:30 start time was near, and a New Line staffer told everyone waiting in the lobby to take their seats in the auditorium. In the auditorium, sections of seats were marked "reserved" by pieces of paper naming whose party was supposed to sit there. I took a seat a couple of rows in front of the center section's main taped-off VIP station--the seats that were saved for, among others, the parties of stars Jada Pinkett Smith, Tommy Davidson, Paula Jai Parker, LL Cool J, and the producer crew. The celeb-spotting continued in the auditorium. Faison and his friends were seated in the row behind me, in which Spawn star Michael Jai White eventually took his seat. Former Fresh Prince of Bel-Air co-star Tatyana M. Ali sat in the row in front of me, enthusiastically greeted by the familiar-looking blonde who sat a couple of seats to my left (quite obviously they were old acquaintances). Also spotted was Saved by the Bell alumna Lark Voorhies, who looked for available seats not too far from me; Waiting to Exhale co-star Loretta Devine, sitting in the same row as mine but in the lefthand section; and Welcome Back, Kotter alumnus Lawrence Hilton-Jacobs, who chatted with White for a spell. Although those New Line staffers hurried us lobby dwellers into the auditorium, as is always the case with these events, the screening of the film did not start on time. It wasn't until nearly 8 when talent associated with the film started to trickle in: Davidson, Parker, Duane Martin (accompanied by wife Tisha Campbell), executive producer John Singleton; LL Cool J appeared to be a no-show. This was the cue for some opening remarks by one Al Shapiro and producers Michael and Beth Hubbard; during the latter's speech, she thanked "Jada Pinkett," which prompted a voice of someone just entering the auditorium to yell out, "Jada Pinkett SMITH!" Yes, Will Smith had arrived with his very pregnant wife, which was the signal that everything was good to go. Perhaps not so surprisingly, Mr. Smith was the life of the event. As the lights dimmed, he very spiritedly yelled out the film's title a few times (also when it appeared onscreen), and he loudly cheered his wife's name in the opening credits. Of course, the appearance of the name of someone in attendance was greeted to applause of varying degrees; strangely enough, I had to start the clap for Singleton. Some person kept on aiming a laser pointer at the screen whenever Mrs. Smith appeared on screen, which Mr. Smith put a halt to after audibly complaining. As the 85-minute film progressed, I could sense the audience reaction gradually petering out; the applause that came with the film's closing crawl was a pale shadow of the cheers at the film's open. After arising from my seat, I noticed Mr. Smith looking around trying to gauge the audience reaction, which didn't appear to be terribly enthusiastic. Immediately following the screening came the post-movie lobby schmooze session, during which I spotted a few more people, such as rapper Foxy Brown, who appears in the film; recently canned Baywatch babe Traci Bingham; former Little House on the Prairie star Dean Butler; and hack comic book artist/writer/mogul Rob Liefeld, whose Maximum Press will be publishing a comic creation of Mrs. Smith's titled Menace. My celebrity interaction was isolated to that with the two people in attendance whom I know. While standing in the lobby, I spotted The Man to Whom I Owe My Life, a.k.a. former A Different World star Kadeem Hardison. As he came closer, we gave each other one of those "hey!" looks of recognition, and after a handshake we talked briefly. Not too long after that I got a warm greeting from Singleton, the person who made this adventure of mine possible. About a five minute drive away was the World Night Club, site of the afterparty. It was a crowded scene, with barely enough room to maneuver. The club offered just about every type of cuisine imaginable, from dim sum to tacos to salads. There was even a tarot card reader in the house offering her services, in line with a them in the film. I arrived just in time to see Bingham make her exit. After about a half hour, during which most people ate, drank, and mingled in general, the crowd in attendance noticeably thinned. The empty dance floor also gradually filled. Among the notables who showed off their moves were White, Faison, and Campbell, who was the dancing queen of the evening, a regular maniac on the floor while her husband remained at Singleton's table. Also remaining at the tables was Davidson, who goofed around with Parker. The tables reserved for the Smith party were unoccupied with empty food plates remaining, leading me to believe the star couple ate and ran (she is, after all, in a delicate condition). About another half hour or so of soaking in the scene passed by before I made my exit, closing the book on one of the few bonafide premiere experiences I have had the pleasure and privilege of having. ~~~ =>N E X T W E E K<= More reviews, including: -The Horse Whisperer -Quest for Camelot 'til then... __________________________________________________________ Michael Dequina Chat Forum Host, The Official Michael Jordan Web Site http://jordan.sportsline.com mj23@michaeljordanfan.com michael_jordan@geocities.com | mrbrown@ucla.edu >My personal WWW sites< Mr. Brown's Movie Site: http://welcome.to/mrbrown Michael Jordan Beyond the Court: http://fly.to/michaeljordan A Michael Jordan Fan's Heartbreak: http://fly.to/mj23 Personal Page: http://welcome.to/w3md >Other WWW sites I work on< CompuServe Hollywood Hotline: http://www.HollywoodHotline.com Albany Online: http://www.AlbanyOnline.com Eyepiece Network: http://www.eyepiece.com "I didn't know what to expect. It's like something you chase for so long, but then you don't know how to react when you get it. I still don't know how to react." --Michael Jordan, on winning his first NBA championship in 1991 ...or, my thoughts after meeting him on November 21, 1997 __________________________________________________________ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Cormier Subject: Re: [MV] The Man Who Should Know Better... Date: 07 May 1998 20:07:43 -0700 I really enjoyed The Man Who Knew too Little...I though Bill was in top form again (but I guess I am a fan of Mr. Murray)...also - being an actor myself I find it even a little bit funnier! The ads promoted it wrong - they made it look like he was a bumbling idiot - which is all wrong...check it out! jay At 01:54 AM 5/7/1998 -0400, you wrote: >At 11.29 PM 06/05/98 +0100, you wrote: >>Has anyone seen Bill Murray's The Man Who Knew Too Little? >>What's the buzz? > >Not as bad as the reviews made it sound, but not going to win any awards >(not even a Razzie:-) > >I saw it not long after seeing The Game, and there were some plot >similarities that struck me. Watch it if there is nothing else available. >Watch it before Bean. With the exception of The Full Monty and In & Out >(which I did not particulary like), there aren't many new comedies on the >video shelves, so it might be amongst the best choices. But don't expect >Groundhog Day. > >Regards, > >--Mel > > >--Mel Eperthener >president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty > >email: bcassidy@usaor.net > gowanna@australiamail.com > >http://www.webz.com/gowanna > >419 Butler Street >PO Box 95184 >Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184 >(412) 781-6140 >(412) 781-6380 >1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE >____________________________________________ >That was a wicked googly! > --Jerry Seinfeld, AMEX commercial >______________________________________________ > > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > Wanna see a movie? Get all the facts on all the FLIX... www.netcom.ca/~movieman [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Lee" Subject: Re: [MV] The Peacemaker-Thumbs Up Date: 08 May 1998 22:48:54 +0800 What I was impressed with, was how the movie was able to sustain the audience's interest until the final moments. few movies are capable of that... "Here's wishing you good mental health...." -- Frasier Crane ---------- > From: gary zeig > To: movies@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [MV] The Peacemaker-Thumbs Up > Date: 07 May 1998 22:54 > > >At 12.19 AM 07/05/98 -0400, Gary wrote: > >>Finally got around to renting this movie! Was impressed by its attention to > >>detail. > > > >What I liked most about it was the way that they showed the military > >working together. Most movies of this genre have the heroes as outsiders, > >fighting to save the world themselves. Here, Clooney and Kidman were > >working WITH the military, not against them. When they tried to shut down > >NYC, I felt this was rather realistic in how they would try (and fail) to > >handle the situation in Real Life (TM). Any other movie would have them > >finding the terrorist themselves, without any help (and with much hinderance) > > > >I'd give it a thumbs-up, too > > > >Regards, > > > >--Mel > > > > > >--Mel Eperthener > >president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty > > > >email: bcassidy@usaor.net > > gowanna@australiamail.com > > > >http://www.webz.com/gowanna > > > >419 Butler Street > >PO Box 95184 > >Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184 > >(412) 781-6140 > >(412) 781-6380 > >1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE > >____________________________________________ > >That was a wicked googly! > > --Jerry Seinfeld, AMEX commercial > >______________________________________________ > > > > > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] > >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > Mel- > Right on about the realism. I liked the fact that some of the good guys > died while pursuing the terrorists. > Very few movies would have the courage to show a helicopter shot down and 9 > good guys die. Then in NYC several innocent bystanders were shot in the > exchange of gunfire. I found this surprising, yet more realistic. I think > the message here was that no one really won in this situation. Obviously, > this victory came with a price. It would have been better to avoid this > situation altogether. And it also shows that people use other people for > selfish causes. > I also liked the confusion about 44E on the invoice. First Nicole Kidman > thought it meant a longitude reading for Sarajevo. Then later she realized > her mistake and understood it meant a street address in NYC , the > destination of the terrorist. This was very plausible. > Overall, a very enjoyable movie with a strong anti-terrorism message. It > made me think, and I guess that's what a good movie often does. > > GRZ > > > > > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Bridges (remote) Subject: [MV] I'm Back! Lots of stuff to yap about. Date: 08 May 1998 09:09:49 -0700 Hi Guys, Glad to be back. I'm a little exhausted from the road but will try to not bore you too much with my addled brain. Father's Day-I frankly had no desire to see Father's Day. I get the impression that those guys made that movie for no reason than that they are buddies and wanted to work together. For the psycology question, a Clint Eastwood movie comes to mind that I cannot place my finger on. He is a New Orleans cop chasing a serial killer. It explores his own sexual peccadillos as he struggles with the case. Of course One flew Over the Cuckoos nest and Snake pit come to mind. Mimic-I thought Mimic was a big bore. It seemed a direct rip off of several other films the most obvious being Aliens. I haven't taken the time to count the similarities but they are there. If we haven't discussed this before, I suggest everybody get the prior release by the same director. Its called Chronos I think and is really cool. That is the reason I even bothered to see Mimic. An Actor that I think is perhaps the best working today is Robert Duvall. His abilities transcend the typical actor working in Hollywood. I think Jodie Foster is a helluva actress. I just don't think she can direct. Sam Raimi-I was one of his biggest fans with The Evil Dead movies (Except 3) but find myself less entertained with his gimmicky camera tricks now. They worked great in the monster genre but were simply distracting in a western. Starship Troopers-My interpretation of this movie was SPOILER-SPOILER-SPOILER- At the end we find that the bugs are not the bad guys after all. Instead we have been watching a onesided view of a war and have not considered the other side's point of view. The Bugs are only protecting their territory which earth has invaded. I went to see He Got Game last week and have to say Spike Lee continues to drive me batty. He has a wonderful eye and ability to choose compelling subject matter but I just don't buy his writing. Being the rascist I believe he is (Why isn't he called on the rascist crap he and his movies spew?) I don't think he is capable of making his characters speak in an honest manner. There were some good moments and I can always watch Denzel Washington but cannot give this a recommendation. Deep Impact opens today and I think I'll check it out. bye, bb [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gary zeig Subject: Re: [MV] I'm Back! Lots of stuff to yap about. Date: 08 May 1998 11:34:34 -0400 >Hi Guys, > >Glad to be back. I'm a little exhausted from the road but will try >to not bore you too much with my addled brain. > >Father's Day-I frankly had no desire to see Father's Day. I get the >impression that those guys made that movie for no reason than that >they are buddies and wanted to work together. > >For the psycology question, a Clint Eastwood movie comes to mind that >I cannot place my finger on. He is a New Orleans cop chasing a serial >killer. It explores his own sexual peccadillos as he struggles with >the case. Of course One flew Over the Cuckoos nest and Snake pit >come to mind. > >Mimic-I thought Mimic was a big bore. It seemed a direct rip off of >several other films the most obvious being Aliens. I haven't taken >the time to count the similarities but they are there. If we haven't >discussed this before, I suggest everybody get the prior release by >the same director. Its called Chronos I think and is really cool. >That is the reason I even bothered to see Mimic. > >An Actor that I think is perhaps the best working today is Robert >Duvall. His abilities transcend the typical actor working in >Hollywood. I think Jodie Foster is a helluva actress. I just don't >think she can direct. > >Sam Raimi-I was one of his biggest fans with The Evil Dead movies >(Except 3) but find myself less entertained with his gimmicky camera >tricks now. They worked great in the monster genre but were simply >distracting in a western. > >Starship Troopers-My interpretation of this movie was >SPOILER-SPOILER-SPOILER- At the end we find that the bugs are not >the bad guys after all. Instead we have been watching a onesided >view of a war and have not considered the other side's point of view. > The Bugs are only protecting their territory which earth has invaded. > > >I went to see He Got Game last week and have to say Spike Lee >continues to drive me batty. He has a wonderful eye and ability to >choose compelling subject matter but I just don't buy his writing. >Being the rascist I believe he is (Why isn't he called on the rascist >crap he and his movies spew?) I don't think he is capable of making >his characters speak in an honest manner. There were some good >moments and I can always watch Denzel Washington but cannot give this >a recommendation. > >Deep Impact opens today and I think I'll check it out. > >bye, >bb > > > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] Hey Bruce, What did you think of the Peacemaker? Surely, you've seen it by now.. And also waiting for your ideas about Lost Highway... Gary [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gary zeig Subject: [MV] The Borrowers Date: 08 May 1998 11:48:34 -0400 Somebody please inform me what this movie is about. Thanks!! GRZ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Garrett Winters Subject: Re: [MV] I'm Back! Lots of stuff to yap about. Date: 08 May 1998 22:35:52 +0100 I would have thought that list etiquette usually stopped ppl copying a whole email to add a one line reply at the end, I won't repeat the transgression but you know who I am talking about. Most email prog's come with a great ability to cut and paste. Garrett [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Cormier Subject: [MV] Deep Impact review Date: 09 May 1998 02:47:59 -0700 (cue intro music) The Return of Movieman! I have not forgotten my obligation to all of you to= bring you the reviews of all the current movies...it's just that there have= been no movies worth the dough recently. This kind of creates a paradox= and makes me look like an oxymoron as Deep Impact was definitely NOT worth= the money either. Nope - sorry to report that summer movie mayhem will= have to wait until the inevitable bonanza of box-office bucks that is= Godzilla. This movie is everything you'd expect it to be. But that's the= problem. Too many disaster movies have laid out what the formula should be= - show everyone on earth (in most cases this just means the States - as= that's all that really matters) really happy and enjoying life, Show mass= confusion and histeria when news of disaster hits, show 10 minutes of= amazing special effects disaster and then in the midst - someone somewhere= will find some sort of solution and saves the day. When I watched Dantes= Peak I felt the same way - "who cares about the preamble - let's move on to= the amble already!" So this movie receives the unfortunate rating of a= fail - it could have barely passed if the FX were at least worth watching -= but even that was too computery! Well this review is too long already -= so until we meet again... jay the movieman Wanna see a movie? Get all the facts on all the FLIX... www.netcom.ca/~movieman [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "greuel" Subject: [MV] godzilla a lame duck? Date: 09 May 1998 11:35:57 cet Seems Godzilla is not living up to its expectations thomas *** 'Godzilla' still a tough sell Movie theater chains appear to be decidedly unimpressed with "Godzilla" and all the hype preceding the sci-fi thriller's May 18 launch. Some company executives were underwhelmed by a screening of the film last week, and now many chains are reportedly refusing to give in to Sony Pictures' demand that it receive an unprecedented 80% of the first week's box office proceeds. Sony has much riding on its version of the Japanese sci-fi classic. In addition to an estimated production budget of $160 million, the company is reportedly spending nearly $50 million on domestic prints and advertising. Yet despite all the hype surrounding the release of the picture - or perhaps because of it - exhibitor reaction at an April 30 screening was mixed. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2554057053-c9e http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/8911/ - abomiNation [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard J. Doyle" Subject: RE: [MV] godzilla a lame duck? Date: 09 May 1998 18:12:03 -0500 What expectations? Personally, I expect anything from the makers of "Independence Day" to be a dud. Richard J. Doyle Access & Visual Basic Developer CRW Systems rdoyle29@msn.com ICQ# 9867240 -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of greuel Sent: Saturday, May 09, 1998 6:36 AM Seems Godzilla is not living up to its expectations thomas [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gary zeig Subject: [MV] Disaster movies!!! & James Bond too Date: 10 May 1998 21:29:49 -0400 With Deep Impact's lack of impact, following the mediocre Volcano, good but not great Dante's Peak, what you see is what you get Twister, etc etc, I'm wondering if I'm the only one out there getting sick of these so-called disaster movies. They all have basically the same plot. Just substitute disaster (quake, tornado, volcanic eruption, asteroid and so on) show a lot of people in danger, and then voila, our hero (Tommy Lee Jones,Harrison Ford, or Pierce Brosnan) saves the day at the end. And oh what a wonderful world it is again! But these movies seem to do ok at the box office, so I guess the studios are laughing all the way to the bank. The same goes for airplane crash movies. Air Force One reminds me of Turbulence, which reminds me of Airplane etc. You get my point! But these are proven formulas that work, so expect much more of same. My second and last point for the day is about James Bond movies. How many more of these can we tolerate? We've had so many people as James Bond, even Moneypenny has to be getting confused by now. I think the producers of the latest Bond movie Tomorrow Never Dies were smart though. Foregoing dialogue and character development (really what more can they say about James Bond that we don't already know?) in favor of action scenes and chase scenes is always a winning idea with mainstream audiences nowadays. And don't kid yourself, ladies and gentlemen, James Bond is now as mainstream America as Pepsi vs. Coke, Apple Pie, and new fall sitcoms. It's funny that James is English, yet America loves him(and he is often marketed towards Americans!). DId you ever think about this? Well, personally , the thing I liked best about the latest but not last James Bond was Michelle Chan/Yeoh's performance. We want more of Miss Yeoh!!! In fact, we demand it! This list has been dead again lately, so comments/arguments are always welcome... GRZ Question for the day: Where would Winny the Pooh be without Tigger? [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BzRvueNews Subject: [MV] Buzzy's Deep Impact Review Date: 10 May 1998 23:31:12 EDT Deep Impact approx: 2 hours long My mother and I went to see this at a local mall's multiplex. We went to the 4 p.m. showing on Saturday. I'd wanted to see this movie since I saw the trailer before Species ll. I took my first opportunity and asked my mom along. The television commercials let you know the basic premise of the film, that the earth is supposed to be hit by a comet. The plot consists of actions and reactions. How the characters react to the actions around them drives most of the film. Honestly, at first I was rather bored. I've fallen prey to the "more is more" concept of modern movies and oftentimes subtlety is lost on me. However a third or so into the movie, the rather quiet beginning builds into a very intense character driven film. I was a bit disappointed that the feature characters seemed designed to appeal to various segments of movie audiences. You have two teenagers in love and their families, a young newswoman, an older newswoman and her daughter, an older man and woman and an assortment of various government officials, as well as a collection of heroic astronauts. Those of you who follow fx might be rather disappointed. Some of the fx work and work well but others look like obvious models and computer generated graphics. Fans of television's X-Files might be interested in the performance of David Duchovny's bride, Tea Leoni., who has a featured role as the aforementioned young newswoman in the film. I thought she did alright. I would not call it Oscar winning but she proved herself to be more that a fluff, sitcom actress. Morgan Freeman should be commended for his role as the United States President. While not a large part, he still manages to convey the humanity of a man forced into having to deal with this as a public official, how it shakes him to the core, and how he unashamedly copes by means of his spirituality. All of this is accomplished outside of any spoken lines and conveyed by facial expression and vocalized emotion. Robert Duvall is amazing as an astronaut old-timer. His strength also lies in the subtlety of his performance. He portrays his strength via an innate sense of humor. Elijah Wood gives he of Titanic fame a run for his money. His portrayal of the young man who discovers the comet shook me and had me more than a little in love with him by the film's end. His performance is outstanding. What is truly frightening are the possibilities. How would we really react individually or as a collective whole? Would we be even half as brave as this fictional society? I do not know. My mother and I cried like babies as we watched. It is an aptly named film because it had a Deep Impact on us. Buzzy [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "choquette" Subject: Re: [MV] Buzzy's Deep Impact Review Date: 11 May 1998 01:17:30 +0000 Please take me off of your mailing list. Thanks. [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "choquette" Subject: Re: [MV] Deep Impact review Date: 11 May 1998 01:18:02 +0000 take off of your list please. thanx [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "choquette" Subject: Re: [MV] Disaster movies!!! & James Bond too Date: 11 May 1998 01:18:26 +0000 Please take off of this list. Thanx [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "choquette" Subject: RE: [MV] godzilla a lame duck? Date: 11 May 1998 01:18:46 +0000 Take me off list. thanks [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "choquette" Subject: RE: [MV] godzilla a lame duck? Date: 11 May 1998 01:19:43 +0000 take me off of list thanks [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "choquette" Subject: Re: [MV] godzilla a lame duck? Date: 11 May 1998 01:20:17 +0000 Tkae choquett@pe.net off of your list thanks. [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anita Watts Subject: Re: [MV] Winnie the Pooh Date: 11 May 1998 06:10:05 -0700 (PDT) On Sun, 10 May 1998, gary zeig wrote: > Question for the day: Where would Winny the Pooh be without Tigger? ... sort of like Calvin without Hobbes, eh? I'm still grieving. Anita [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tonya Fleetwood Subject: Re: [MV] Deep Impact review Date: 11 May 1998 14:36:44 -0600 I recently went to see this movie. I found it rather good. It was a really good movie in fact. I even cried at certain times. I think that Tea Leoni played her part very well, it was a little surprising that she is one that died at the end. I liked that fact that she died with her father at the spot where they had 'a happy day'. It made the movie more sad, but at that point it was like she and her father had reformed their relationship as father-daughter. It was a good part. I thought that Elijah Wood's part was too small. He didn't have enough scenes. He even looked really awkward in almost every scene that he was in. I liked Ron Elderds part too. He did a really good job. I found it a little surprising that his face heeled as quickly as it did. The ending when all the astronauts where saying good bye to their families was the saddest in my opinion. But it was a very good part, it grabbed your heart and made you realize that there are really people like that would give up their lives to save others' lives. All in all it was a very good movie and I recommend that everyone go see it. It isn't bloody or anything like that, so younger kids could watch it too. -Tonya [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gary zeig Subject: [MV] The Spanish Prisoner/Steve Martin Date: 11 May 1998 20:52:39 -0400 I heard Siskel & Ebert both gave big thumbs up to this movie. It stars Steve Martin. If anybody has seen this movie, I'd love to hear any comments on it. I'm thinking of going to see it this weekend. I happen to like Steve Martin's work a lot, especially LA Story (an underrated film) and Father of the Bride. Gary [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guilloche ." Subject: Re: [MV] The Spanish Prisoner/Steve Martin Date: 12 May 1998 06:52:28 PDT Gary- This was a great film which deserves all of the praise it has been receiving lately. Campbell Scott is in the starring role and it is refreshing to see Steve Martin as a devious manipulator for a change. My advice: Go see this movie, head out for a coffee (or a martini) discuss, then go see it again. It's a tight film which commands your attention especially if you enjoyed "The Usual Suspects". Kudos to David Mamet for his writing & directing. John >Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:52:39 -0400 >To: movies@lists.xmission.com >From: gary zeig >Subject: [MV] The Spanish Prisoner/Steve Martin >Reply-To: movies@lists.xmission.com > >I heard Siskel & Ebert both gave big thumbs up to this movie. >It stars Steve Martin. >If anybody has seen this movie, I'd love to hear any comments on it. >I'm thinking of going to see it this weekend. >I happen to like Steve Martin's work a lot, especially LA Story (an >underrated film) and Father of the Bride. > >Gary > > > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Bridges Subject: Re: [MV] The Spanish Prisoner/Steve Martin -Reply Date: 12 May 1998 08:31:45 -0700 I thought Spanish Prisoner was great as well. I think the Usual Suspects comparison works although I think House of Games is a better example. David Mamet has a unique style that tends to either impress or turn off people. I personally think he's one of the best writers of dialogue alive. He has chosen a very affected style of acting for this movie that can be distracting for some. The person I saw it with hated it for that reason but I just don't think he "got it". If you like it and you haven't seen House of Games then you should rent that as well. There's another Mamet written film I want to suggest but am blanking on the title. It stars Joe Montagne as a Jewish New York cop looking for the murderer of an old lady. He finds himself involved with a radical jewish group and he struggles with his Jewish identity. I'm sure I've mangled the story but this was a great film and I remember the dialogue as being unbelievable. Anybody know the name of that film? I hear Bullworth is either great or a piece of crap depending on your political leanings. Anybody heard about it? As far as Godzilla is concerned, I think it is going to be huge. I'm not commenting on the quality of the film but strictly boxoffice. I understand from friends at Sony that the execs are very happy with what they've seen and the guys that produced it know how to SELL a film if nothing else. Believe me though, its all about toy sales. The studio will be depending on that as the real profit center and if the toys aren't accepted (New Godzilla Vs Classic Godzilla) then they've got problems. They are going crazy trying to keep the image of Godzilla out of the market and I think its a losing battle. Especially with the internet (on which there are some images floating around). Deep Impact was a piece of fluff but I have to admit I got caught up in the emotion of some points. But you know what, I can't remember ever seeing a good disaster film so why should I expect one now? I wonder how Armegeddon will be? The director's last film was "The Rock" so he's got talent. bye, bb [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard J. Doyle" Subject: RE: [MV] The Spanish Prisoner/Steve Martin -Reply Date: 12 May 1998 23:38:51 -0500 You're thinking of "Homicide". An excellent film. Personally, Mamet is a favourite of mine. I think his dialogue "sings", which is why some love it and some hate it. It doesn't sound natural, it s sounds like what his characters should be saying. I don't know if that really makes sense, but it's the impression I've got from his plays and films. Richard J. Doyle Access & Visual Basic Developer CRW Systems rdoyle29@msn.com ICQ# 9867240 Something for nothing. It can all be yours. Everything you know IS true. "Bob" is the proof. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bridges Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 10:32 AM I thought Spanish Prisoner was great as well. I think the Usual Suspects comparison works although I think House of Games is a better example. David Mamet has a unique style that tends to either impress or turn off people. I personally think he's one of the best writers of dialogue alive. He has chosen a very affected style of acting for this movie that can be distracting for some. The person I saw it with hated it for that reason but I just don't think he "got it". If you like it and you haven't seen House of Games then you should rent that as well. There's another Mamet written film I want to suggest but am blanking on the title. It stars Joe Montagne as a Jewish New York cop looking for the murderer of an old lady. He finds himself involved with a radical jewish group and he struggles with his Jewish identity. I'm sure I've mangled the story but this was a great film and I remember the dialogue as being unbelievable. Anybody know the name of that film? I hear Bullworth is either great or a piece of crap depending on your political leanings. Anybody heard about it? As far as Godzilla is concerned, I think it is going to be huge. I'm not commenting on the quality of the film but strictly boxoffice. I understand from friends at Sony that the execs are very happy with what they've seen and the guys that produced it know how to SELL a film if nothing else. Believe me though, its all about toy sales. The studio will be depending on that as the real profit center and if the toys aren't accepted (New Godzilla Vs Classic Godzilla) then they've got problems. They are going crazy trying to keep the image of Godzilla out of the market and I think its a losing battle. Especially with the internet (on which there are some images floating around). Deep Impact was a piece of fluff but I have to admit I got caught up in the emotion of some points. But you know what, I can't remember ever seeing a good disaster film so why should I expect one now? I wonder how Armegeddon will be? The director's last film was "The Rock" so he's got talent. bye, bb [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Cormier Subject: Re: [MV] The Spanish Prisoner/Steve Martin Date: 12 May 1998 14:22:30 -0700 Great flick - saw it twice - once last September where it premiered at the Toronto Film festival - I was lucky enough to shake Mr. Mamet's hand and congratulate him on such a great film. Martin is excellent (as usual) but this time he is menacing and creepy...well cast. Go, go, go see this flick before it leaves theatres!!! jay At 08:52 PM 5/11/1998 -0400, you wrote: >I heard Siskel & Ebert both gave big thumbs up to this movie. >It stars Steve Martin. >If anybody has seen this movie, I'd love to hear any comments on it. >I'm thinking of going to see it this weekend. >I happen to like Steve Martin's work a lot, especially LA Story (an >underrated film) and Father of the Bride. > >Gary > > > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > Wanna see a movie? Get all the facts on all the FLIX... www.netcom.ca/~movieman [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jayson Subject: [MV] Deep Impact (Thumbs up or down?) Date: 13 May 1998 14:23:15 +0800 (HKT) [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tonya Fleetwood Subject: Re: [MV] Deep Impact (Thumbs up or down?) Date: 13 May 1998 13:22:46 -0500 Thumbs UP Tonya [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wayne Ramlogan Subject: Re: [MV] Deep Impact (Thumbs up or down?) Date: 13 May 1998 16:38:38 -0700 It will have to thumbs down.The movie tries to be both a drama and sci-fi, but does neither well. Tonya Fleetwood wrote: > Thumbs UP > > Tonya > > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] -- "The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever." --Tsiolkovsky [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gary zeig Subject: Re: [MV] Deep Impact (Thumbs up or down?) Date: 13 May 1998 22:17:53 -0400 >It will have to thumbs down.The movie tries to be both a drama and sci-fi, but >does neither well. > >Tonya Fleetwood wrote: > >> Thumbs UP >> >> Tonya >> >> [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >> [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > > >-- >"The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle >forever." > --Tsiolkovsky > > > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] This movie's reviews are driving me batty. USA Today trashed it, yet other critics have liked it. Some on this board say it's great, but others don't like it at all. Does anyone have any ideas why this is so? By the way, I'm looking forward to seeing an upcoming movie called Goodbye, Lover which is premiering at the Cannes Film Festival this month in France. It is a thriller directed by Roland Joffe and stars Ellen DeGeneres, Patricia Arquette, and Don Johnson. Gary [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Dequina Subject: [MV] The Movie Report#142, 5/14/98 Date: 14 May 1998 10:24:40 -0700 T H E M O V I E R E P O R T #142 MAY 14, 1998 Just 1 more shopping day left until my 22nd b-day... =>T H I S W E E K<= M O V I E S -The Horse Whisperer -Quest for Camelot V I D E O -Playing God -Tomorrow Never Dies -Washington Square Select reviews are available at Hollywood Hotline on CompuServe and: http://www.HollywoodHotline.com ...on Albany Online at: http://www.AlbanyOnline.com ...and the Eyepiece Network at: http://www.eyepiece.com Mr. Brown's Movie Site and The Movie Report are in serious need of your help. Visit: http://members.tripod.com/~MrBrown/support.html For that, links to the official websites of all the current films, past reviews, exclusive Hollywood event photos, live MovieChat, movie discussion board, movie theme MIDI files, Trivia Blitz, and more, visit Mr. Brown's Movie Site at: http://welcome.to/mrbrown Please don't forget to sign the guestbook... all movies graded out of four stars (****) ~~~ =>M O V I E S<= N E W R E L E A S E S The Horse Whisperer (PG-13) * 1/2 I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm a sucker for a good romantic weepie. Pop 1996's The Bridges of Madison County into the VCR, and by the time a rainsoaked Clint Eastwood casts a final heartbroken gaze at Meryl Streep, in all likelihood you'll find me a blubbering mess (go ahead and laugh). Not surprisingly, the long-delayed The Horse Whisperer is being positioned as this year's Bridges: it also boasts a high-profile director-star (here, Robert Redford), and it, too, is based on a bestselling love story by a first-time author (Nicholas Evans in this case). But only true suckers will fall for this overlong, slow, and self-indulgent bore, which is not only short on tears, but romance as well. Never mind that it takes a hard-to-swallow plot contrivance to get the ball rolling. A violent horseriding accident severely injures 14-year-old Grace McLean (Scarlett Johansson, in a role originally intended for Natalie Portman) and kills her best friend Judith (Catherine Bosworth). Also shaken up in the accident is Grace's beloved horse Pilgrim. Although everyone says the best treatment for Pilgrim is a bullet, Grace's ballsy magazine editor mother Annie (Kristin Scott Thomas) throws all caution and good advice to the wind and takes Grace, who now wears a prosthesis where her amputated right leg used to be, and Pilgrim on a road trip to Montana to meet one Tom Booker (Redford). Tom is a "horse whisperer," who specializes in treating "horses with people problems"--a category under which the once-gentle, now-irritable Pilgrim clearly falls. It takes well over an hour before the inevitable "romance" between uptight Annie and laidback Tom begins. I place the term in quotes because what develops only qualifies under the vaguest, most academic definition. Tom and Annie go horseback riding once, and suddenly they long for each other--or rather, Annie longs for Tom, because Redford's stiff performance offers no convincing insight into what Tom feels. Redford had once vowed to never direct himself in a film; based on his wooden work here, he should have held to that promise. Scott Thomas is a proven master at conveying soul-aching longing (witness The English Patient) but she is at the mercy of Redford (the actor and director) and scripters Eric Roth and Richard LaGravanese (the latter of whom penned the terrific Bridges script). I couldn't feel for Annie since I couldn't understand why she would prefer Tom over her straight-arrow but generally understanding husband Robert (Sam Neill); her motivation is also sketchily developed, and as such the forbidden "love" feels like a scripted development and not a natural one. Not that Redford seems terribly concerned with the romance, which is supposed to drive this story and serve as the emotional hook. Redford appears more content with crafting a valentine to the equine--and to his own virility. The Horse Whisperer is dominated by two images: horses running wild and free and Tom, twirling his lasso in slow motion. By the time Tom is exerting his cool yet caring authority over other ranch animals (in slow motion, of course), the point is abundantly clear--Tom is one strapping cowpoke. But Redford insists on drilling this point into the audience's heads over and over and over again, at the clear expense of the romance. I'd say that three-fourths of the film's bloated two-hour-and-forty-four minute running time is devoted to Tom and the horses, with a fourth of that remaining fourth devoted to the supposed "passion" between Tom and Annie: They indulge in a couple of stolen kisses (during a most incomprehensible doozy of an exchange--Annie: "I want to know something." Kiss. Tom: "Are you sure?" Kiss. Annie: "I have to go." What the--?!); they share a romantic barroom dance; she cries--that's it. Oh, lest I forget Tom's oh-so-heartwrenching declaration of love, delivered by Redford with all the expressiveness of a brick: "I didn't plan on loving you. But I do." Really? Could have fooled me... The Horse Whisperer is not without its virtues. Robert Richardson's photography captures the Montana landscapes in all their breathtaking majesty; Thomas Newman's score is lilting and evocative; Johansson is terrific, creating the sole character that makes any connection with the audience; and the opening accident scene has a disturbing intensity. But the scant good lies at the periphery of a deep, gaping void. The handsomely produced Horse Whisperer is not the flat-out cinematic catastrophe that another recent actor-director effort, Kevin Costner's notorious The Postman, was, but for swoony fans of movie love stories, this uninteresting, uninvolving viewing chore might as well be. There won't be a damp eye in the house. Quest for Camelot (G) ** With the visually spectacular and entertaining Anastasia, Fox declared itself a worthy contender to Disney's feature animation throne. Now comes the Warner Bros. stab at animation riches, Quest for Camelot, and if this shoddy enterprise is what it considers topline animated entertainment, the studio is a mere pretender to the Mouse's throne. As is the case with most underwhelming live action films, one of the roots of Quest's mediocrity is the script, written by Kirk DeMicco, William Schifrin, Jacqueline Feather, and David Seidler from Vera Chapman's novel The King's Damosel. The story is just about nonexistent, boiling down to an extended, uninteresting search for a sword. Dastardly former knight Ruber (voice of Gary Oldman) steals King Arthur's (Pierce Brosnan) magic sword Excalibur, only to lose it in the forest. Ruber and his crew of baddies search for it, as does the courageous daughter of deceased knight Lionel (Gabriel Byrne), Kayley (Jessalyn Gilsig), who is joined in her quest by the blind loner Garrett (Cary Elwes) and the two-headed (conjoined?) dragon(s) Devon (Eric Idle) and Cornwall (Don Rickles). Anastasia set the bar for non-Disney animation high with its opening glimpse of a stunningly realistic, computer-animated music box. Quest counters with a shot has become cliche in live action features: the trusty camera-travelling-over-water shot. But this is a minor quibble in a film teeming with visual problems. The art is strictly Saturday morning-level, a point which is underscored further a scene where Kayley and Garrett face a computer-generated giant ogre; unlike in Anastasia or any given Disney effort, the CGI and the traditional cel animation do not mesh convincingly at all. The ogre, as impressive as it looks, looks completely out of place, appearing to have wandered in from a better, bigger-budgeted film. The worst visual sin committed by director Frederik DuChau and the animation crew is the sloppy lipsynching, especially during the musical numbers, where the voices often do not match the characters' mouth movements. Even more distracting is the noticeable difference between the characters' singing and speaking voices. In Disney features (or, for that matter, Anastasia), the singing and speaking voices can plausibly originate from the same set of vocal cords. Although there are a couple of exceptions--Gilsig and Andrea Corr sound remarkably similar as Kayley; and the Jane Seymour/Celine Dion teamup for Kayley's mother, Lady Juliana, works surprisingly well--too often the voices are wildly dissimilar. When Garrett breaks into song, Elwes's soft, Brit-accented tones suddenly change into those of raspy Yank country-western singer Bryan White. The biggest stretch of all is the tandem for King Arthur: current 007 Brosnan and... former Journey frontman Steve Perry?! The stretch casting would be forgivable if David Foster and Carole Bayer Sager's songs were the least bit memorable. Suffice it to say, they aren't. Quest for Camelot follows the tried-and-true Disney formula fairly closely--"I Want" song, villainous scheme number, love duet, final confrontation--but DuChau fails to realize that the key to Disney's success in animation is not necessarily the formula but a generous helping of imagination and magic to go with it. While their Anastasia was not a complete triumph, directors Don Bluth and Gary Goldman were able to create some superb, haunting moments that rank with, if not surpass, some of Disney's. If Quest is any indication, Warner Bros. Feature Animation, which enjoyed a successful launch with 1996's Space Jam, is severely out of its depth. IN CURRENT RELEASE (full reviews of the following in past MRs and at the listed URLs) -Barney's Great Adventure--The Movie (G) ** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#barney -The Big Hit (R) ** 1/2 http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt32.html#bighit -Black Dog (PG-13) * http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt33.html#blackdog -The Butcher Boy (R) *** 1/2 http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#butcherboy -Chinese Box (R) ** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt30.html#chinesebox -City of Angels (PG-13) ** 1/2 http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#angels -Deep Impact (PG-13) *** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt33.html#impact -Go Now *** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt33.html#gonow -He Got Game (R) *** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt33.html#hegotgame -Les Miserables (PG-13) *** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt32.html#lesmiz -Lost in Space (PG-13) * http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#lost -The Object of My Affection (R) *** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt33.html#affection -The Players Club (R) ** 1/2 http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#players -Scream 2 (R) *** 1/2 http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt26.html#scream2 -Shooting Fish (PG) ** 1/2 http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt32.html#fish -Sliding Doors (PG-13) *** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt33.html#doors -The Spanish Prisoner (R) *** 1/2 http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#prisoner -Species II (R) * http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt32.html#species2 -Titanic (PG-13) **** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt26.html#titanic -Two Girls and a Guy (R) ** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#2girls -Woo (R) ** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt33.html#woo O N T H E H O R I Z O N FRIDAY Bulworth (R) Opening in New York and Los Angeles this week is Warren Beatty's politcal satire in which an outspoken senator (Beatty) gets involved with a woman (Halle Berry) from South Central Los Angeles. Clockwatchers (PG-13) Making its Los Angeles bow this week is this comic portrait of office temp workers. Toni Collette, Parker Posey, and Lisa Kudrow star. A Friend of the Deceased (R) Russian drama in which a despondent man hires a hitman to rub himself out--only to change his mind. The Hanging Garden (R) Canadian drama in which a gay runaway (Chris Leavins) returns home to his troubled family years later. The Horse Whisperer (PG-13) * 1/2 Robert Redford directs and stars in this dull, overlong adaptation of Nicholas Evans's bestseller. Lawn Dogs Drama about the friendship between a 10-year-old girl (Mischa Barton) and the man (Sam Rockwell) who mows the family lawn. Plump Fiction (R) Tommy Davidson, (_not_ Downtown) Julie Brown, and Sandra Bernhard head the cast of this Pulp Fiction parody. Playing exclusively with the film is the short Swing Blade, which crosses Swingers with Sling Blade. Quest for Camelot (G) ** Warner Bros.'s big splash into animated features is this dull adventure based on Vera Chapman's novel The King's Damosel. ~~~ =>V I D E O<= N E W T H I S W E E K Playing God (R) * 1/2 For his first feature starring role since starring in The X-Files, David Duchovny inexplicably chose this messy comedy-thriller in which he plays a defrocked surgeon who gets entangled with a drug dealer (Timothy Hutton) and his moll (Angelina Jolie). (Touchstone Home Video) Tomorrow Never Dies (PG-13) *** Pierce Brosnan continued to keep MGM's venerable James Bond franchise afloat with the series's 18th installment, in which Agent 007 (Brosnan) and a Chinese operative (Hong Kong action goddess Michelle Yeoh) tackle a media mogul (Jonathan Pryce) bent on world domination. (MGM/UA Home Video) Washington Square (PG) *** The lesser of last year's high-profile Henry James adaptations (the better being the multiple Oscar nominee The Wings of the Dove) was this intriguing tale of an awkward heiress (a well-cast Jennifer Jason Leigh) courted by a penniless suitor (Ben Chaplin). (Hollywood Pictures Home Video) A L S O N E W T H I S W E E K A Rat's Tale (G) Marionettes and flesh-and-blood actors tell the story of a rat population threatened by an evil land developer. (Warner Home Video) A Self-Made Hero French import about a man (Mathieu Kassovitz) who lies his way into a high government position in 1944. (New Yorker Home Video) Trojan Eddie Drama about a small-town con artist (Stephen Rea) who gets embroiled in all sorts of murder and mayhem. (Peachtree Entertainment) ~~~ =>N E X T W E E K<= The MR will arrive by Tuesday, with more reviews, including: -Godzilla 'til then... __________________________________________________________ Michael Dequina Chat Forum Host, The Official Michael Jordan Web Site http://jordan.sportsline.com mj23@michaeljordanfan.com michael_jordan@geocities.com | mrbrown@ucla.edu >My personal WWW sites< Mr. Brown's Movie Site: http://welcome.to/mrbrown Michael Jordan Beyond the Court: http://fly.to/michaeljordan A Michael Jordan Fan's Heartbreak: http://fly.to/mj23 Personal Page: http://welcome.to/w3md >Other WWW sites I work on< CompuServe Hollywood Hotline: http://www.HollywoodHotline.com Albany Online: http://www.AlbanyOnline.com Eyepiece Network: http://www.eyepiece.com "I didn't know what to expect. It's like something you chase for so long, but then you don't know how to react when you get it. I still don't know how to react." --Michael Jordan, on winning his first NBA championship in 1991 ...or, my thoughts after meeting him on November 21, 1997 __________________________________________________________ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Culligan" Subject: Re: [MV] Deep Impact (Thumbs up or down?) Date: 14 May 1998 13:02:22 PDT My belief for this is that the film is marginal. It's not great but it's not bad either. I myself would give it a marginal (again) thumbs up. It's worth the price of admission as long as nothing better is playing at the cinaplex on Friday night. Some will disagree with this recommendation, others won't. I doubt, however, that anyone would admentally disagree and say that it's the worst film they ever saw or (vis-versa) the best film they ever saw. Again, marginal. > > >This movie's reviews are driving me batty. USA Today trashed it, yet other >critics have liked it. >Some on this board say it's great, but others don't like it at all. Does >anyone have any ideas why this is so? > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Cormier Subject: [MV] Sliding Doors review Date: 14 May 1998 21:50:00 -0700 I know it's been out a few weeks already - but I just got the chance to see it - and I'm glad I found the time to see it! It's a good movie - and it has Gwenyth in it (usually indicative of an oxymoron). Basically at the beginning of the movie it splits into two different movies - one in which she catches the train to go home (where she finds her boyfriend sleeping with another girl) and another where she doesn't catch the train. It is well filmed with plenty of clever segues from one story to the other. It is definitely an above average romantic comedy that I would rate an 83%. Wanna see a movie? Get all the facts on all the FLIX... www.netcom.ca/~movieman [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gary zeig Subject: Re: [MV] Deep Impact (Thumbs up or down?) Date: 15 May 1998 14:33:02 -0400 >My belief for this is that the film is marginal. It's not great but >it's not bad either. I myself would give it a marginal (again) thumbs >up. It's worth the price of admission as long as nothing better is >playing at the cinaplex on Friday night. > >Some will disagree with this recommendation, others won't. I doubt, >however, that anyone would admentally disagree and say that it's the >worst film they ever saw or (vis-versa) the best film they ever saw. >Again, marginal. > >Chris: I still don't get it. If the film is marginal, why do some people like it so much? I'm not trying to be philosophical about it. I'm just wondering why the reactions varied so much. It still seems strange to me. I would think if it were mediocre, the reactions wouldn't be so strong, moreso apathetic. There's something there. I don't know what though. Maybe it's because although it's a disaster movie, it's a somewhat different kind of disaster movie. Some people like it, and some don't. At least it doesn't follow the same predictable disaster film criteria I outlined in a previous posting. Gary > >> >> >>This movie's reviews are driving me batty. USA Today trashed it, yet >other >>critics have liked it. >>Some on this board say it's great, but others don't like it at all. >Does >>anyone have any ideas why this is so? >> > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tonya Fleetwood Subject: Re: [MV] Actors and Actress and Those Whom we Adore Date: 15 May 1998 16:12:58 -0500 There are many actors and actresses that I adore! Leonardo DiCaprio My favorite actor - He is very good . I'm not saying that just because he is beyond good looking (that's just a bonus!). He played his part so well in What's Eating Gilbert Grape, also in Romeo and Juliet. Titanic was good too, but I've liked his parts in other movies better. The Bastketball Diaries was a messed up movie, I liked it though, it was just different. Skeet Ulrich He captured the evil part of his character in Scream. He played it just the way it should have been. He was also very moving in Last Dance (even though he didn't have a very big part). Nicholas Cage He is one of the best actors that I can think of. Everytime I see a movie he is in, I just have to see it. He isn't that good looking, but he is dramatic and comedic all in one, that's what I like. My favorite movies of his: Face/Off, Leaving Las Vegas, and Peggy Sue. Joshua Jackson He has that little boy quality, but yet mature. That is what appeals to me in him. I loved that movie he did for Showtime "Ronnie and Julie". Maybe that was because I love the movie/play/story Romeo and Juliet. I think most of the reason I liked it though, was because this easy-going, great actor played the part of the romantic Ronnie. If anyone has comments on this movie I would love to hear them. He also is great on Dawson's Creek. Claire Danes I like the fact that she can capture all the emotions that she has to produce, and she does it so well. I didn't care for her as Juliet though. I would've picked someone else for that role if it were up to me. BUT I loved her My-So-Called-Life days. She was so-so in Home For the Holidays. Kate Winslet She seems so down to earth. She doesn't even act like the normal stereo-typed actress that just starred in possibly the best movie of the decade. To hear some of her quotes, and interviews, you'd just want to be her friend, because she seems very fun and smart. ALicia Silverstone One of her qualities that I really admire is the fact that she helps out for animal rights. This shows she has a huge heart. I really like the way she talks too. She was so good in Clueless, I really loved that movie. I thought she was good in Excess Baggage too, some people didn't like that movie, but I did. The Crush wasn't that great of a movie, because she played some psycho, but all-in-all she is very talented. Meg Ryan She is so adorable. Her voice is so easy to listen to, it's so romantic. She plays all of her emotions very well, her face expressions are the best. I really loved her in French Kiss. I liked Addicted to Love, but it wasn't how I'd like to see her always. She was good in Innerspace and When Harry Met Sally also. _____________________________________ That's about all for now. I will list some other actresses and actors that I like, but I won't elaborate on them. Actors: Mel Gibson, Matthem Lilliard, Jamie Kennedy, Will Smith, John Travolta, Antonio Banderas, Kevin Kline, Kevin Bacon, Brad Renfro, Brad Pitt, Mark Wahlberg, Greg Kinear, Ron Elderd Actresses: Reese Witherspoon, Sandra Bullock, Neve Cam pbell, Kathy Bates, Jada Pinkett-Smith, Vivica A. Fox, Sharon Stone, Kirstie Alley, Christine Taylor, Tea Leoni, Katie Holmes, Sarah Michelle Gellar Any comments are appreciated! -Tonya =) [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tonya Fleetwood Subject: Re: [MV] Sharon Stone and Gene Hackman Date: 15 May 1998 16:15:59 -0500 I thought that The Quick and the Dead was a good movie. Personally I can't stand western movies, I think they are beyond boring. This movie was different. It had up-to-date actors and actresses (not those that are knocking on death's door). Sharon Stone was brilliant in this movie. Leonardo DiCaprio was too. Actually, all the characters did a GREAT job portraying their character. -Tonya =) tfleetwood@bedford.k12.ia.us [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gary zeig Subject: [MV] Carmen Electra's movie Date: 15 May 1998 23:50:26 -0400 I've heard that ex-Baywatch babe Carmen Electra just finished filming a movie. It has a title something like "The Story of the Raven". Does anyone know when/ if this movie will be in theatres or released direct to video? GRZ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gary zeig Subject: Re: [MV] Actors and Actress and Those Whom we Adore Date: 16 May 1998 00:12:56 -0400 >>There are many actors and actresses that I adore! >> >> >>Joshua Jackson >>He has that little boy quality, but yet mature. That is what appeals to me >>in him. I loved that movie he did for Showtime "Ronnie and Julie". Maybe >>that was because I love the movie/play/story Romeo and Juliet. I think >>most of the reason I liked it though, was because this easy-going, great >>actor played the part of the romantic Ronnie. If anyone has comments on >>this movie I would love to hear them. He also is great on Dawson's Creek. >> >>Claire Danes >>I like the fact that she can capture all the emotions that she has to >>produce, and she does it so well. I didn't care for her as Juliet though. I >>would've picked someone else for that role if it were up to me. BUT I loved >>her My-So-Called-Life days. She was so-so in Home For the Holidays. >> >>Kate Winslet >>She seems so down to earth. She doesn't even act like the normal >>stereo-typed actress that just starred in possibly the best movie of the >>decade. To hear some of her quotes, and interviews, you'd just want to be >>her friend, because she seems very fun and smart. >> >>ALicia Silverstone >>One of her qualities that I really admire is the fact that she helps out >>for animal rights. This shows she has a huge heart. I really like the way >>she talks too. She was so good in Clueless, I really loved that movie. I >>thought she was good in Excess Baggage too, some people didn't like that >>movie, but I did. The Crush wasn't that great of a movie, because she >>played some psycho, but all-in-all she is very talented. >> >>Meg Ryan >>She is so adorable. Her voice is so easy to listen to, it's so romantic. >>She plays all of her emotions very well, her face expressions are the best. >>I really loved her in French Kiss. I liked Addicted to Love, but it wasn't >>how I'd like to see her always. She was good in Innerspace and When Harry >>Met Sally also. >> >> _____________________________________ >> >>That's about all for now. I will list some other actresses and actors that >>I like, but I won't elaborate on them. >> >>Actors: Mel Gibson, Matthem Lilliard, Jamie Kennedy, Will Smith, John >>Travolta, Antonio Banderas, Kevin Kline, Kevin Bacon, Brad Renfro, Brad >>Pitt, Mark Wahlberg, Greg Kinear, Ron Elderd >> >>Actresses: Reese Witherspoon, Sandra Bullock, Neve Cam pbell, Kathy Bates, >>Jada Pinkett-Smith, Vivica A. Fox, Sharon Stone, Kirstie Alley, Christine >>Taylor, Tea Leoni, Katie Holmes, Sarah Michelle Gellar >> >>Any comments are appreciated! >> >>-Tonya >>=) >> >>My only comment Tonya would be that you seem to like young actors and >>actresses. This is not a criticism, of course, but many of the stars you have mentioned really have not yet made a lot of mega- hit movies. Of course, since they are young, they are the future(next?) generation of stars. It will be interesting to see how the "Frat Pack" of the future does in the next decade or so. Who hits and who fades. By the way, I think you would want to read an article the magazine "Entertainment Weekly" did on these young movie stars last month. (April 24 issue) It talked about Leonardo, Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Brad Pitt,Skeet Ulrich, Ethan Hawke, Chris O'Donnell etc. Really interesting reading! GRZ >> >> >> >> >>[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >>[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GeminiJef Subject: Re: [MV] Actors and Actress and Those Whom we Adore Date: 18 May 1998 08:08:39 EDT In a message dated 98-05-15 17:14:55 EDT, you write: << Leonardo DiCaprio If you like the dude, check out Leo in "Man in the Iron Mask" He plays two different characters (twin brothers with Cane and Able qualities) and the movie kicks with action, swashbuckling and adventure! Skeet Ulrich He was one of the best cast roles in the recent under appreciated "Newton Boys" His character is subtle as the youngest of a family of wholesome bank robbers in the 1920's. He really showed his talent up there on the screen. I can't wait to see what he does next Nicholas Cage An amazing actor, who deserves every bit of acclaim he receives, including Leaving Las Vegas Oscar! To this day, my favourite performance of his is still in "Vampire's Kiss" about a man (NC) who goes mad when he thinks he's been bitten by a vampire. Brilliant. Joshua Jackson Who? Claire Danes She is one of the few actresses who is able to splatter her emotions all over her face and not have to say a word to know what she's feeling. She captured the spotlight in My So Called Life and brought a new dimension to the forelorn Juliet in Romeo + Juliet. She has the same drive and potential as fellow childhood actress alumni Jodi Foster. Kate Winslet A brilliant actress, who knows what acting is all about, moreso than those actresses who have been around for way-too-long (read: Meryl Streep). She's got the looks, the talent, and the bravada to be one of the best actresses of the turn of the millenium. ALicia Silverstone The kid's cute. We shall see what we shall see. She was amazing in "The Crush" as the teen with the psychotic fatal attraction for Cary Elwes. She hasn't yet tried to duplicate such a role while doing silly comedies like "Clueless" and "Excess Baggage." We know you've got it, kid. Let's bring out the big guns! Meg Ryan One of the most vivacious and funny actresses. She can make a gloomy day seem bright. She was hysterical in "French Kiss" (although it didn't hurt that she was playing against the remarkable Kevin Kline!) and she turned a brilliant performance in the recent "City of Angels" She has the same qualities that make Goldie Hawn also so fun to watch: she has a lot of fun, and she doesn't take crap from anyone. [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Culligan" Subject: Re: [MV] Actors and Actress and Those Whom we Adore Date: 18 May 1998 10:33:45 PDT I mentioned Christopher Walken as an actor I like, but dern, I neglected to mention one of my all time favorite male actors, Paul Newman!! As to Claire Danes and Kate Winslet, I'll have to wait to pass judgement, I don't think they have a large enough body of work (cinama) to warrent an opinion. Or perhaps I just haven't seen enough of thier movies. I can't think of any that Kate's been in besides Titanic, and Claire only comes to mind in Romeo and Juliet. Did I miss any movies that I should be renting that might change my opinion?? BTW, I found it hard to believe that Leo got passed up for an Oscar nomination and Kate got one. All though I like Kate, I thought Leo made the movie and has also proven a talent in several other movies (read: more deserving). Alicia Silverstone amused me in clueless, but since then, I haven't been overly impressed with her other then that she's pretty and she's blond. >Claire Danes >She is one of the few actresses who is able to splatter her emotions all over >her face and not have to say a word to know what she's feeling. She captured >the spotlight in My So Called Life and brought a new dimension to the forelorn >Juliet in Romeo + Juliet. She has the same drive and potential as fellow >childhood actress alumni Jodi Foster. > >Kate Winslet >A brilliant actress, who knows what acting is all about, moreso than those >actresses who have been around for way-too-long (read: Meryl Streep). She's >got the looks, the talent, and the bravada to be one of the best actresses of >the turn of the millenium. > >ALicia Silverstone >The kid's cute. We shall see what we shall see. She was amazing in "The >Crush" as the teen with the psychotic fatal attraction for Cary Elwes. She >hasn't yet tried to duplicate such a role while doing silly comedies like >"Clueless" and "Excess Baggage." We know you've got it, kid. Let's bring out >the big guns! > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tonya Fleetwood Subject: Re: [MV] Actors and Actress and Those Whom we Adore Date: 18 May 1998 13:38:01 -0600 << I can't think of any that Kate's been in besides Titanic, and Claire only comes to mind in Romeo and Juliet. Did I miss any movies that I should be renting that might change my opinion?? >> Kate Winslet was in Heanenly Creatures and also Sense and Sensibility. Claire Danes was in Home For the Holidays, she was on the tv show My-So-Called-Life. She is in the new version of Les Miserables. << I thought Leo made the movie and has also proven a talent in several other movies (read: more deserving).>> Although I adore Leo, I don't agree 100 precent when you say that he made the movie. There were several other note-worthy actors and actresses that contributed to this movie.<< <> She was good in Excess Baggage. ____________________________________________ -Tonya =) [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tonya Fleetwood Subject: Re: [MV] Actors and Actress and Those Whom we Adore Date: 18 May 1998 13:40:35 -0600 >Joshua Jackson >Who? Joshua Jackson is the guy who played Charlie on all those Mighty Duck movies. He was recently in a version of Romeo and Juliet called Ronnie and Julie. He also is currently on the hit tv show Dawson's Creek as Pacey. ___________________________________________________ -Tonya =) ************************* Thinkin' of ya, Tonya ************************* ______________________________________________________ Email me at my new email address: scoobygirl@bedford.heartland.net ______________________________________________________ +PIECE OF ADVICE+ "SHOW RESPECT FOR ALL LIVING CREATURES!!!" [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" Subject: RE: [MV] Actors and Actress and Those Whom we Adore Date: 18 May 1998 12:53:20 -0600 On Monday, May 18, 1998 11:34 AM, Chris Culligan [SMTP:culligan@hotmail.com] wrote: > I can't think of any that Kate's been in besides Titanic, and > Claire only comes to mind in Romeo and Juliet. Did I miss any movies > that I should be renting that might change my opinion?? Most definitely! She was absolutely delicious in both "Hamlet" and "Sense and Sensibility". Greg [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mel Eperthener Subject: Re: [MV] Actors and Actress and Those Whom we Adore Date: 18 May 1998 14:20:26 -0400 At 10.33 AM 18/05/98 PDT, Chris Culligan wrote: >As to Claire Danes and Kate Winslet, I'll have to wait to pass >judgement, I don't think they have a large enough body of work (cinama) >to warrent an opinion. Or perhaps I just haven't seen enough of thier >movies. I can't think of any that Kate's been in besides Titanic, and >Claire only comes to mind in Romeo and Juliet. Did I miss any movies >that I should be renting that might change my opinion?? The one that comes to mind for Winslet is Heavenly Creatures. Have to say that I did not think the movie was as good as everyone else said. Of course, a lot of people here hated Two Girls and a Guy, but it has been getting outstanding reviews. I have found one of the hardest things to do is recommend movies. I was WARNED not to watch Speed 2. I didn't listen. I watched, and kept on watching because there was something there, and you felt that the movie HAD to get better. I was wrong. Those are two hours of my life that I will never get back. It is my opinion the absolute worst movie I have ever seen. But I cannot believe how popular it has been as a video release. There is no accounting for taste. Although I did not find Heavenly Creatures to be a GREAT movie, I have seen a LOT worse. If you liked Kate Winslet in Titanic, give it a go. Some trivia about Heavenly Creatures that Everybody Knows (which means that a lot of people don't). It is based on the true story of two girls who killed the mother of one of them in New Zealand in the 1960s (or thereabouts). The two girls were in jail until the turned 18. Their release has two conditions: They must never have contact with each other. And they must never return to New Zealand. One woman is living in South Africa. The other lives in the UK. She writes books, murder mysteries. You may have heard of her. Her name is Anne Perry. Regards, --Mel --Mel Eperthener president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty email: bcassidy@usaor.net gowanna@australiamail.com http://www.webz.com/gowanna 419 Butler Street PO Box 95184 Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184 (412) 781-6140 (412) 781-6380 1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE ____________________________________________ That was a wicked googly! --Jerry Seinfeld, AMEX commercial ______________________________________________ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ann Subject: [MV] Deep Impact / Armageddon Date: 18 May 1998 15:01:10 -0500 Did I just hear a commericial wrong or are these two movies about the exact same thing. I saw Deep Impact (except for the last part after the asteriod hit, a tornado ruined that for us!) - about an asteriod heading for earth, breaks into 2 pieces, will destroy earth if it hits, team goes into space to try to destroy it. Just yesterday, I saw a commercial about Armageddon ----> an asteriod is heading for earth and will destroy it if it hits, a team goes into space to try to destroy it. Can someone help me out here??? [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mel Eperthener Subject: Re: [MV] Deep Impact / Armageddon Date: 18 May 1998 16:50:36 -0400 At 03.01 PM 18/05/98 -0500, you wrote: >Did I just hear a commericial wrong or are these two movies about the exact >same thing. I saw Deep Impact (except for the last part after the asteriod >hit, a tornado ruined that for us!) - about an asteriod heading for earth, >breaks into 2 pieces, will destroy earth if it hits, team goes into space >to try to destroy it. > >Just yesterday, I saw a commercial about Armageddon ----> an asteriod is >heading for earth and will destroy it if it hits, a team goes into space to >try to destroy it. > >Can someone help me out here??? Actually, Deep Impact had a comet. But beyond that, you are correct. But why are you surprised by this? Hollywood does this all the time, now. As a matter of fact, I think I wrote another post on this same subject. But there are some new ones here: Just this week, Fox (which is famous for this) has been running ads for Gargantua, basically a Godzilla rip-off. It is on this Tuesday, the same day as the advanced screenings for Godzilla, IIRC. We had Volcano and Dante's Peak. ID4 and The Arrival (and Mars Attacks! to stretch it a bit). When Outbreak came out, another studio was desperately working on The Hot Zone There were two movies about Jessica Savitch (one being Up Close and Personal). French Kiss and Forget Paris Con Air and Air Force One (this is a stretch, but the viewing public keeps confusing them) Grosse Pointe Blank and Romy and Michele (by the same studio even!!) Wag the Dog was about a President that started a war to take the public's attention away from his personal life (sound familiar?). Primary Colours was about a Presendent's election. Guess which one:-) And with few exceptions, I have not even begun to cover the B-movies and television movies, some of which are blatent rip-offs of the big-name movies. So my question to you would be why are you surprised that there are two Space Debris movies coming out?? A follow-up would be, when will the third one be out, and where? (Actually, Fox [surprise, surprise:-] had a movie called Asteroid. Or was it NBC? If it was, then Fox had the storyline in one of it's series) Regards, --Mel --Mel Eperthener president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty email: bcassidy@usaor.net gowanna@australiamail.com http://www.webz.com/gowanna 419 Butler Street PO Box 95184 Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184 (412) 781-6140 (412) 781-6380 1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE ____________________________________________ That was a wicked googly! --Jerry Seinfeld, AMEX commercial ______________________________________________ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Dequina Subject: [MV] The Movie Report#143, 5/19/98 Date: 19 May 1998 11:56:14 -0700 T H E M O V I E R E P O R T #143 MAY 19, 1998 *VERY IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT* If you have bookmarked Mr. Brown's Movie Site or linked it from your own personal websites, *please* change the URL to: http://welcome.to/mrbrown The original URL (http://members.tripod.com/~MrBrown) is NO LONGER FUNCTIONAL. As a rather cruel birthday gift (BTW, my thanks to everyone who sent me birthday messages), Tripod deleted the primary 'MrBrown' account, thus wiping out a number of pages, most notably (and frustratingly) the Movie Site Links pages, and since I am unable to put up a "This site has moved" page, I have to try and find every single site that linked me and notify them of the URL change. The entire review archive is still up and intact (and at located at the same addresses), as are other pages and subsites, but a number of pages are in the process of being rebuilt. I appreciate your patience during the rebuilding process. BTW, if your site was linked on Movie Site Links, please e-mail me your site name and URL so I don't forget to include it on the new list. Thank you. =>T H I S W E E K<= M O V I E S -Godzilla V I D E O -As Good as It Gets -Shall We Dance? -Starship Troopers Select reviews are available at Hollywood Hotline on CompuServe and: http://www.HollywoodHotline.com ...on Albany Online at: http://www.AlbanyOnline.com ...and the Eyepiece Network at: http://www.eyepiece.com For links to the official websites of all the current films, past reviews, exclusive Hollywood event photos, movie discussion board, movie theme MIDI files, and more, visit Mr. Brown's Movie Site at: http://welcome.to/mrbrown Please don't forget to sign the guestbook... all movies graded out of four stars (****) ~~~ =>M O V I E S<= N E W R E L E A S E S Godzilla (PG-13) ** Reviewing a much-ballyhooed "event" movie like _Godzilla_ is a pointless task. No matter what I or any critic might say about it, everyone and their mother will still rush out to the theatre to see the movie just to say that they did. But in the event that anyone out there is listening, be forewarned that this lavish take on the classic Japanese monster movies is a technically superb but flavorless piece of sci-fi hackwork. _Godzilla_'s mediocrity should not come as a surprise to anyone familiar with the work of the "brains" behind the project, the team of co-writer/producer Dean Devlin and co-writer/director Roland Emmerich. As the film's many trailers so bombastically boast, they are the creators of that overhyped sci-fi phenomenon of a couple year's back, _Independence_Day_ (they were also behind another inexplicable success, 1994's ridiculous _StarGate_, as well as 1992's unspeakably horrid Jean-Claude Van Damme-Dolph Lundgren battle royale _Universal_Soldier_). I was lukewarm on _ID4_ (it earned a fairly charitable ** 1/2 on my scale--which elicited a rather snottily sarcastic e-mail from Devlin himself), which had top-flight effects, a charismatic lead (the incomparable Will Smith), but a sloppy script populated by poorly drawn characters with vapid individual storylines. _ID4_'s "human dimension" (which a lot of people actually bought into) is as profound as _Schindler's List_'s in comparison to what is on display in _Godzilla_--or, rather, what _isn't_ on display. Our primary human guide throughout the giant lizard mayhem is Dr. Niko Tatopoulos (Matthew Broderick), a nuclear scientist who is enlisted by the military to investigate the origins and analyze the behavior of the behemoth reptile that is destroying New York City. There, he is reunited with his college sweetheart, aspiring reporter Audrey Timmonds (Maria Pitillo, sporting wild Sarah Jessica Parker-ish locks--a coincidence?). Their love story is supposed to be the emotional hook, but Devlin and Emmerich scarcely bother to give them any quiet scenes alone together, so what's the point? Broderick and Pitillo appear to not see one either, woodenly playing their already-plywood roles and failing to generate any romantic spark whatsoever. But the flat lead characters are the least of _Godzilla_'s problems. The film's fundamental flaw can best be summed up in the scene where the creature's appearance is fully revealed. The work of creature designer and supervisor Patrick Tatopoulos does not disappoint; sort of a mix between a T-rex, stegosaurus, and velociraptor with a little iguana thrown in, Godzilla's look is truly menacing, and the big visual revelation should be a moment of genuine fright and tension, much like the grand T-rex entrance in _Jurassic_Park_. But Emmerich completely misdirects the moment. The audience's first, uninterrupted glimpse is scored with some uplifting, awe-inspiring music not unlike _Jurassic_'s main theme, and Niko's aghast look is one more of wonder than fear, which is what I'm sure any person, scientist or not, would feel in the presence of a giant, hungry lizard. This is but the first instance in Emmerich's complete botching of what should be a key element in _Godzilla_--terror. For all the destruction Godzilla causes, and the threat he poses to everyone's lives, the purported "thrill ride" feels safe and is not scary in the slightest. This is especially the case in an extended sequence set in the destroyed Madison Square Garden. Without giving away a key plot "surprise," the sequence's obvious model is the showcase raptor sequence in _Jurassic_ (in fact, so much of _Godzilla_ is derivative of _Jurassic_ it might as well have been called _Godzilla_Park_), but Emmerich and Devlin mistake quantity for quality. If you see the film, you'll know what I mean--the threat to the "heroes" is considerably larger, but I never once felt that they were in any danger. The always-visually exciting (as opposed to just plain exciting) _Godzilla_ would have gone down a bit easier if there was a greater dose of humor. Unlike _ID4_, which had a comic firecracker at its center in Smith, Godzilla's stabs at humor are few and, frankly, not terribly funny. Hank Azaria, as news cameraman Victor "Animal" Palotti, tries to make the most of the blah wisecracks he's assigned to deliver. A running dig at Roger Ebert--the stocky, silver-haired, bespackled mayor (Michael Lerner) is also named Ebert, and an upturned thumb is his big campaign gesture--grows old quickly. An injokey dig at Warner Bros. and Disney, numerous lame verbal gags involving Niko's Greek surname, Harry Shearer's pompous news anchor (who is not too far from one of his _Simpsons_ roles, newsman Kent Brockman), and some comic stoicism by Jean Reno (playing--what else?--a shady Frenchman) round out the film's light touches. As a whole, the film takes itself much too seriously--much like Devlin and Emmerich themselves. The terrible twosome have proclaimed themselves the Lucas and Spielberg of this generation (a sad testimony), which could not be farther from the truth. While they are adept at handling the technical aspects of effects-laden extravaganzas (_Godzilla_ is, if anything, a superlative technical achievement, terrifically designed by Oliver Scholl and shot by Ueli Steiger), they have yet to display any of the imagination, creativity, or solid ideas of George and Steven. What ideas they do have only work within the confines of two-minute trailers, which are always far superior to the full films themselves. The fact that hype-brainwashed moviegoers don't ever appear to care--and pre-sold _Godzilla_ certainly won't break the mass hypnosis--shows that their true calling lies within the offices of a studio's marketing department and _not_ on the creative end of the film business. IN CURRENT RELEASE (full reviews of the following in past MRs and at the listed URLs) -The Big Hit (R) ** 1/2 http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt32.html#bighit -Black Dog (PG-13) * http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt33.html#blackdog -The Butcher Boy (R) *** 1/2 http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#butcherboy -Chinese Box (R) ** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt30.html#chinesebox -City of Angels (PG-13) ** 1/2 http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#angels -Deep Impact (PG-13) *** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt33.html#impact -Go Now *** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt33.html#gonow -He Got Game (R) *** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt33.html#hegotgame -The Horse Whisperer (PG-13) * 1/2 http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt32.html#lesmiz -The Object of My Affection (R) *** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt33.html#affection -Quest for Camelot (G) ** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt33.html#quest -Shooting Fish (PG) ** 1/2 http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt32.html#fish -Sliding Doors (PG-13) *** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt33.html#doors -The Spanish Prisoner (R) *** 1/2 http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#prisoner -Titanic (PG-13) **** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt26.html#titanic -Two Girls and a Guy (R) ** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt31.html#2girls -Woo (R) ** http://members.tripod.com/~mrbrown/movierpt33.html#woo O N T H E H O R I Z O N TUESDAY NIGHT Godzilla (PG-13) ** Another mediocre piece of sci-fi hackwork from Roland Emmerich and Dean Devlin, but most audiences won't care. FRIDAY Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (R) Terry Gilliam directs this adaptation of Hunter S. Thompson's head- and road-trip novel. Johnny Depp and Benicio Del Toro star. The Opposite of Sex (R) A teen temptress (Christina Ricci) makes trouble for everyone she encounters in this drama from writer-director Don Roos. EXPANDING FRIDAY Bulworth (R) Warren Beatty's acclaimed political satire opens everywhere this week, just in time to get crushed by _Godzilla_. Still Breathing (PG-13) Making its debut in major markets this week is writer-director James F. Robinson's award-winning romantic comedy between a street performer (Brendan Fraser) and a con artist (Joanna Going). ~~~ =>V I D E O<= N E W T H I S W E E K As Good as It Gets (PG-13) *** Cute, but horribly overrated (and overlong), comedy about a prickly romance novelist (Oscar winner Jack Nicholson) who falls for a down-on-her-luck waitress (Oscar winner Helen Hunt). The performances are the best thing about the film though whether Nicholson and Hunt truly deserved their statues is highly questionable. (Columbia TriStar Home Video) Shall We Dance? (PG) **** One of the most delightful films released last year was this sparkling Japanese comedy-drama in which bored businessman Shohei Sugiyama (Koji Yakusho) takes up ballroom dancing behind his wife and daughter's back. Writer-director Masayuki Suo's fresh and often very funny film is at once formulaic and wholly original. Sugiyama does become a good dancer, and there is a central dance competition scene in which Sugiyama's secret is revealed. However, said competition plays out in a way that goes against all expectations, and the scene does _not_ serve as the film's climax. That title is held by a beautiful closing sequence that earns a surprising yet most well-deserved poignance. All in all, an absolutely splendid entertainment that was unjustly disqualified from Oscar contention (it had aired on television before its American theatrical release). (Miramax Home Entertainment) Starship Troopers (R) ** 1/2 The best (terrific action sequences, superb special effects) and worst (atrocious performances by the acting ensemble largely made up of young "talent") of Paul Verhoeven are blended somewhat uneasily in this cheesy but fun adaptation of the Robert A. Heinlein sci-fi novel. (Columbia TriStar Home Video) A L S O N E W T H I S W E E K An American Werewolf in Paris (R) Belated sequel to John Landis's _An_American_Werewolf_in_London_, starring Tom Everett Scott and Julie Delpy and directed by _Mute_Witness_'s Anthony Waller. (Hollywood Pictures Home Video) Little Indian, Big City (PG) The original French film that inspired last year's Tim Allen fiasco _Jungle_2_Jungle_. 'Nuff said. (Walt Disney Home Video) ~~~ =>N E X T W E E K<= More reviews, including: -Hope Floats 'til then... __________________________________________________________ Michael Dequina Chat Forum Host, The Official Michael Jordan Web Site http://jordan.sportsline.com mj23@michaeljordanfan.com michael_jordan@geocities.com | mrbrown@ucla.edu >My personal WWW sites< Mr. Brown's Movie Site: http://welcome.to/mrbrown Michael Jordan Beyond the Court: http://fly.to/michaeljordan A Michael Jordan Fan's Heartbreak: http://fly.to/mj23 Personal Page: http://welcome.to/w3md >Other WWW sites I work on< CompuServe Hollywood Hotline: http://www.HollywoodHotline.com Albany Online: http://www.AlbanyOnline.com Eyepiece Network: http://www.eyepiece.com "I didn't know what to expect. It's like something you chase for so long, but then you don't know how to react when you get it. I still don't know how to react." --Michael Jordan, on winning his first NBA championship in 1991 ...or, my thoughts after meeting him on November 21, 1997 __________________________________________________________ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" Subject: [MV] Godzilla Bites! Date: 19 May 1998 22:37:44 -0600 Gonna be lots of disappointed moviegoers this summer. Greg [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Bridges Subject: [MV] Godzilla Bites! -Reply Date: 20 May 1998 08:24:12 -0700 I haven't seen Godzilla yet but my enthusiasm is plummeting. Right now I'm hearing critics wax for the good old days of ID4. This movie was a no brainer and I hope what I'm reading is wrong. BTW, I participate in a summer boxoffice contest in which we have to guess opening weekend grosses as well as final (Sept 15 cut off). I'm sticking with my original guess of $90 million for the opening weekend (5 days) but will drastically reduce my final gross estimate (now 245 million.) The film is in 25% of all screens in the USA for god's sake. It can't help but make big bucks this weekend. It will be interesting how many theatres keep it for how long. bb [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" Subject: [MV] Godzilla, * (out of 4) Date: 20 May 1998 12:22:46 -0600 Reviewed by Gregory A. Swarthout Stars: Matthew Broderick, Jean Reno, Hank Azaria, Maria Pitillo, Michael Lerner, Harry Shearer, Doug Savant. Written by Dean Devlin, Roland Emmerich. Directed by Roland Emmerich. Rated PG-13 for violence, profanity. There's gonna be a lot of disappointed moviegoers this summer. "Godzilla", made by the creators of the dumb but wildly popular "Independence Day", just doesn't deliver the thrills that audiences crave. This stems from a been-there/done-that/got-the-T-shirt feeling that is ultimately quite unshakable. The problem is that "Godzilla" seems to mimic several other movies, most of them being "Jurassic Park". I can't expand on this any further without revealing a major plot point, but suffice it to say that if you've seen 1993's dinosaur blockbuster and/or its sequel, you've already seen this season's most hyped movie. Nick Tatopoulos (Matthew Broderick) is pulled off of his study of radioactively mutated worms when the American military discovers the existence of a monster of gigantic proportions. As fate would have it, this giant reptile, dubbed Godzilla by the oriental fisherman who first encounter him, is heading straight for New York. He crashes through the city, wrecking buildings and smashing cars, as part of a personal agenda that is first discovered by Nick. Meanwhile, the military blunders through a couple of ineffectual attacks on the beast only to discover that the threat he poses is much larger than originally thought. "Godzilla" fumbles on so many fronts that it's hard to know where to begin complaining. Should I start with the hackneyed romance between Nick and a former- girlfriend-turned-aspiring-reporter, or the completely superfluous subplot which finds the French Secret Service attempting to destroy Godzilla themselves without revealing their presence to the Americans? Do I comment on the huge leaps of logic employed in the film, or do I point out where logic is completely disregarded? And, finally, are the feeble attempts at humor more noteworthy than the absence of excitement? At least I can praise the quality of special effects, to an extent. While the state-of-the-art of computer-generated effects is growing at a phenomenal rate, the art of miniatures is evidently at a standstill because although the title creature is suitably impressive, the buildings he runs past on his rampages through the Big Apple are utterly unconvincing. Speaking of Godzilla himself, I was dismayed to find that he bears little resemblance to his rubber-suited progenitor and looks more like an ordinary reptile increased to parade-balloon dimensions. This latest film featuring the beloved Japanese monster lacks the personality and campy fun that marked his earlier incarnations. While sure to rake in the big bucks initially, "Godzilla" should fizzle out once the hype and nostalgia wear off. Where is Spielberg when you need him? [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARY ZEIG Subject: [MV] I'm still not convinced.... Date: 20 May 1998 17:30:33 -0400 Hi guys (and girls) It's good to be back online! Been having problems with my server but all's well again. So what's with all the negative Godzilla reviews!!!? What were you expecting, War & Peace? Godzilla is as advertised, not more, not less. It's a creature feature. Nothing more nothing less. If you don't like this kind of movie fine. But in my opinion It's GREAT in comparison to the old Japanese low budget stuff. I mean, really, it's gonna be a smash hit where it counts, with kids. The merchandise is gonna fly out of toy stores. The people who like Godzilla will see it 3/6/9 times for the FX. It's gonna make money. Mark my words. How much money is the real question. I think the important thing (maybe the only important thing with a movie like this) is that the monster looks good. And Godzilla does. He's what we're paying $8 to see anyway. If he's not, then we're in the wrong place. Let's face it, it's not a great movie, but it's a lot of fun anyway. Like the last episode of Seinfeld, with such great expectations it can't help but be a disappointment to some. Gary [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Bridges Subject: [MV] I'm still not convinced.... -Reply Date: 20 May 1998 16:30:42 -0700 Even though I haven't seen the movie I can say without question that there is a lot more important concerns than just how good Godzilla looks. Warner Bros took that attitude with Batman and killed the franchise. It is not unreasonable or even a lot to ask of a studio to make an effort to develop an exciting storyline to compliment the special effects (am I the only person that sees the bizarro switch in that last request?) I would much rather see the Original King Kong with his twitchy movements, silly effects and tremendous story than sit through another crappy Jurassic Park. It is possible to deliver all of the element of a good movie and everybody gets paid enough so why not go ahead and make the effort? Of course I'll put down my money ($8, no way, matinee prices for me any day) and hope that I end up enjoying it. bb [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARY ZEIG Subject: Re: [MV] I'm still not convinced.... -Reply Date: 20 May 1998 21:49:07 -0400 >Even though I haven't seen the movie I can say without question that >there is a lot more important concerns than just how good Godzilla >looks. Warner Bros took that attitude with Batman and killed the >franchise. > >It is not unreasonable or even a lot to ask of a studio to make an >effort to develop an exciting storyline to compliment the special >effects (am I the only person that sees the bizarro switch in that >last request?) > >I would much rather see the Original King Kong with his twitchy >movements, silly effects and tremendous story than sit through >another crappy Jurassic Park. > >It is possible to deliver all of the element of a good movie and >everybody gets paid enough so why not go ahead and make the effort? > >Of course I'll put down my money ($8, no way, matinee prices for me >any day) and hope that I end up enjoying it. > >bb > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] Bruce- Let's think about this for a second! First you say that it is not unreasonable to expect a good storyline along with the fx. Then you say of course, I'll put down my $8 anyway and hope I end up enjoying it. My point exactly!!!!! The studio knows you (and the general public) feels this way. Bottom line it: As long as THEY KNOW YOU WILL pay the $8, they don't have to give you much. With Godzilla this is a gimme. People want to see the monster! They will pay the $8 (the smart ones will wait until the maxi-saver, for half-price) whether the movie is good or not. That's why it's guaranteed to be a moneymaker. They got something no other movie has. What I can't wait to see is the new King Kong next year! It will be interesting to see which movie does better in the theatres, Godzilla or King Kong. I'm betting on Kong. I think it will be a better story as well. GRZ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Cormier Subject: [MV] Godzilla review Date: 20 May 1998 23:55:34 -0700 Well...what can I say. Big monster, loud monster, boring monster. Lots of special effects - and I mean a lot - if that's what you are going for then you won't be disappointed. If you are going for some semblance of a storyline, character development and witty dialogue then you should probably stay home and rent an Ernst video. There are chase sequences and things blow up and destruction is everywhere. That's about it though - no suspense or thrills. Go see this if you need to see what the new Zilla looks like otherwise - wait for some more Americana Summer Fare....fail or 66%. Wanna see a movie? Get all the facts on all the FLIX... www.netcom.ca/~movieman [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "greuel" Subject: Re: [MV] I'm still not convinced.... -Reply Date: 21 May 1998 11:15:55 cet > Bottom line it: As long as THEY KNOW YOU WILL pay > the $8, they don't have to give you much. With Godzilla this is a gimme. > People want to see the monster! > They will pay the $8 (the smart ones will wait until the maxi-saver, for > half-price) whether the movie is > good or not. That's why it's guaranteed to be a moneymaker. They got > something no other movie has. I am not so sure that this one will be such a great moneymaker. The reviews I have read so far are incredibly bad. How many people will be interested in seeing a film that gets no positive feedback whatsoever? plots are lame, Zilla looks like T-rex. We had two dinosaurs recently, we had a whole lot of catastrophies. Do we need to see another one? I wouldn't be surprised if people realised that they have seen it all before. This one will presumably be awfully popular with kids, but can children and mentally rather plain people (in other words: men) push this film so far? Can the fx lure a lot of people into the cinema? I heard they are ok but not outstanding (at least not more outstanding than those of the other outstanding fx recently). If I recall correctly I think the initial reviews for ID4 were not all that bad largely because there hadn't been an alien-invasion-film like that for a long time and it was extremely patriotic (if you are US) and full of impressive fx. Now everything has been there, why watch zilla? Maybe this one marks the change of the audience requesting plot-movies again - I really wonder how long these studios can pull the same strings and be successful with them. But of course I was the one who wondered who would want to see a film about a sinking ship - so don't take this post too seriously - wishful thinking. > What I can't wait to see is the new King Kong next year! It will be > interesting to see which movie does better > in the theatres, Godzilla or King Kong. I'm betting on Kong. I think it > will be a better story as well. Another King Kong? Do you remeber the good ole days where they actually came up with original stories? I'm getting sick and tired of this recycling. thomas http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/8911/ - abomiNation [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARY ZEIG Subject: [MV] Carmen Electra's movie/ INFO Date: 21 May 1998 00:21:43 -0400 A week or so ago, I had asked if anybody knew anything about ex-Baywatch babe Carmen Electra's upcoming movie. Since then, I have found out that the name of this movie will be Chosen One: Legend of the Raven. It co-stars model Shauna Sand Lamas. By the way, for those who care, Carmen is scheduled to be on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno on Thursday night this week. Presumably, she will be talking about this movie. Gary [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Bridges Subject: Re: [MV] I'm still not convinced.... -Reply -Reply Date: 21 May 1998 08:06:51 -0700 Gary, I'm not disputing the reality of the attraction of seeing Godzilla and as I said before I think the weekend grosses will be huge but if the movie is as bad as I'm hearing then it will not get the repeat business that puts a film's final grosses in the stratosphere. And that is what blockbusters have to have. Look, I have friends that work with Sony and their success is directly linked to the success of this film. I hope it grosses $500 million dollars. I just refuse to give the filmmakers any credit for buying the rights to a beloved film icon and thowing together a product with no creative effort. The fact that I am going to go see it only proves one thing, that I am one of the lemmings. Not something that I'm particularly proud of. And who knows, I may enjoy it and be back here next week shouting its praises. Perhaps I should just shut up until I see the damn movie. Sorry. bb [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" Subject: [MV] 'Titanic' king of Japan Date: 21 May 1998 09:20:38 -0600 "Titanic" sailed into Japanese movie history by becoming the No. 1 film at the nation's box office with a record gross of 18.35 billion yen ($135 million), Fox said Monday. The Japan box office high is one of the more than 50 revenue records set by "Titanic," which surpassed the previous Japanese box office champ, "Princess Mononoke," on Sunday. "Princess," from acclaimed animator Hayao Miyazaki, took in 18.25 billion yen ($134 million). "Titanic" was released in Japan Dec. 20 and was the No. 1 film for 22 consecutive weeks and weekends. The James Cameron epic was first shown to the world at the Tokyo Intl. Film Festival in early November and is still going strong in Japan. It took "Princess" about 15 years to topple "E.T. The Extra Terrestrial" as the box office champ in Japan. It took "Titanic" about five months to claim the top spot. (Reuters/Variety) [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Reporter Subject: [MV] Sci-Fi Movie News - 05/22/98 Date: 22 May 1998 15:23:51 -0600 (MDT) Godzilla star Matthew Broderick has agreed to play the title role in the upcoming live-action film version of Disney's animated series Inspector Gadget, according to Variety. Gadget is expected to be Disney's major film release for summer 1999, and Broderick will reportedly pull down $5 million for his services. In the film, Gadget is a human crime fighter who is literally blown to pieces while chasing after a villain, and the beautiful surgeon Brenda must reconstruct his body using robot parts. Not only can Gadget's new legs and arms extend to fantastic lengths, they also conceal lots of cool superhero toys. Gadget will need them to go up against his arch nemesis Claw (played by Rupert Everett of My Best Friend's Wedding fame), who sports a high-tech prosthesis of his own. -=> * <=- Robin Williams, who earned an Oscar earlier this year for his role in Good Will Hunting, has chosen the upcoming SF movie Bicentennial Man as his next project. The movie is based on a short story of the same name by Isaac Asimov and focuses on a robot who longs to become human. Bicentennial Man will reunite Williams with director Chris Columbus and will be the first time the two have worked together since their 1993 box-office hit Mrs. Doubtfire. According to Entertainment Weekly, if Williams had turned down the film, the starring role would have gone to Tom Hanks. Bicentennial Man is expected to begin shooting this fall. -=> * <=- Arnold Schwarzenegger is in talks with Dimension Films to star in Total Recall 2, the sequel to the former Mr. Universe's 1990 blockbuster SF movie Total Recall, according to Variety. Screenwriters Ron Shusett and Gary Goldman, who co-wrote the original Total Recall script, are reportedly already at work on the sequel, which will be based on the first movie. Dimension is also in talks with Star Trek actor/director Jonathan Frakes to direct the film, which could be Frakes' next project after he finishes his work behind the camera for Star Trek IX. Although the first Recall--based on the Philip K. Dick short story "We Can Remember It for You Wholesale"--cost about $80 million, Dimension has said the sequel will cost significantly less to make. -=> * <=- Paramount's SF disaster flick Deep Impact premiered over Mother's Day weekend to a whopping box-office take of $41.2 million, which is a new record for a May debut, according to The Hollywood Reporter. The previous record holder was the Warner Bros. movie Twister, which hauled in $41.1 million during Mother's Day weekend in 1996 and went on to gross $242 million domestically. Although Deep Impact isn't expected to fare nearly as well as Twister over the long run, its strong debut surprised the film industry, which had expected the movie to take in around $30 million. If Deep stays on its present course it will mark the first certifiable hit for Steven Spielberg's high-profile film studio DreamWorks SKG, which co-produced the movie with Paramount. [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARY ZEIG Subject: [MV] Mortal Kombat : Annihilation/ Fantasy movies Date: 23 May 1998 14:27:22 -0400 Just recently saw this movie on PPV( on a projection TV). Thought it was superb!!! The 3-D graphics were excellent, and the martial arts scenes(and soundtrack) rocked!!! This is definitely one of the best Fantasy type films I've ever seen! (Along with Beastmaster). If anybody else has an opinion on it, I'd love to hear it. I would give this a MASSIVE thumbs-up!!! Gary [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Code Subject: Re: [MV] Mortal Kombat : Annihilation/ Fantasy movies Date: 23 May 1998 13:40:01 -0700 >Just recently saw this movie on PPV( on a projection TV). Thought it was >superb!!! >The 3-D graphics were excellent, and the martial arts scenes(and >soundtrack) rocked!!! >This is definitely one of the best Fantasy type films I've ever seen! >(Along with Beastmaster). If anybody else has an opinion on it, I'd love to >hear it. >I would give this a MASSIVE thumbs-up!!! > >Gary > > I agree on the 3-D graphics and martial arts scenes...I own the movie on DVD and on the bigscreen, the visuals are really impressive. But, I was disappointed that they lost Chris Lambert and instead cast James Remar for Rayden. On this fact alone, I think I prefer the first Mortal Combat over Annihilation. Just my opinion... Bill Code The Associates of Victoria http://tourvic.com http://retailad.bc.ca #109-3347 Oak Street, Victoria, BC Canada V8X 1R2 ph: 250-475-2301 // pg: 250-995-4191 cell: 250-216-7135 // fx: 250-475-3073 [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: grasshopper Subject: [MV] fear and loathing, godzilla Date: 23 May 1998 19:47:16 -0700 (PDT) I just saw Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas yesterday. It's good- and amazingly true to the book. The movie starts out exactly the same- it's really funny. Whole passages of the book made it into the movie. Johnny Depp made an amazing Hunter Thompson. The movie got to be a bit long in the end, but it's really funny, and the affects it has- people turning into lizards, etc- are really well done. I felt like I was on acid for part of it. Godzilla isn't bad- it's fun. Overall, the movie doesn't take itself seriously, which is it's redeamable factor. The people playing siskel and egbert (egbert for major!) were funny. It's definitly worth seeing. It has some funny moments, and it couldn't be a disaster movie without a love story (but it wasn't any worse than the cheeziness of the love story in Titanic.) The monster was impressive. I think I am going to see Bullworth tomorrow... I hope I got the title right... I'll report back then. kg [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard J. Doyle" Subject: RE: [MV] fear and loathing, godzilla Date: 23 May 1998 22:18:41 -0500 Its good to hear that someone liked Fear and Loathing. I'm currently rereading the book in eager anticipation of the film. Initial reviews I've read have been bad, but believe or not one review criticized the movie for being too fateful to the book. Personally, I'm looking forward to a couple of hors of bad craziness. "My attorney saw the hitchhiker long before I did. 'Let's give this boy a lift,' he said, and before I could mount any argument he was stopping and this poor Okie kid was running up to the car with this big grin on his face, saying, 'Hot damn! I never rode in a convertible before!' 'Is that right?' I said. 'Well, I guess you're about ready, eh?' The kid nodded eagerly and we roared off. 'We're your friends,' said my attorney. 'We're not like the others.'" Richard J. Doyle Access & Visual Basic Developer CRW Systems rdoyle29@msn.com ICQ# 9867240 Something for nothing. It can all be yours. Everything you know IS true. "Bob" is the proof. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of grasshopper Sent: Saturday, May 23, 1998 9:47 PM I just saw Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas yesterday. It's good- and amazingly true to the book. The movie starts out exactly the same- it's really funny. Whole passages of the book made it into the movie. Johnny Depp made an amazing Hunter Thompson. The movie got to be a bit long in the end, but it's really funny, and the affects it has- people turning into lizards, etc- are really well done. I felt like I was on acid for part of it. Godzilla isn't bad- it's fun. Overall, the movie doesn't take itself seriously, which is it's redeamable factor. The people playing siskel and egbert (egbert for major!) were funny. It's definitly worth seeing. It has some funny moments, and it couldn't be a disaster movie without a love story (but it wasn't any worse than the cheeziness of the love story in Titanic.) The monster was impressive. I think I am going to see Bullworth tomorrow... I hope I got the title right... I'll report back then. kg [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARY ZEIG Subject: Re: [MV] Mortal Kombat : Annihilation/ Fantasy movies Date: 23 May 1998 23:03:51 -0400 >>Just recently saw this movie on PPV( on a projection TV). Thought it was >>superb!!! >>The 3-D graphics were excellent, and the martial arts scenes(and >>soundtrack) rocked!!! >>This is definitely one of the best Fantasy type films I've ever seen! >>(Along with Beastmaster). If anybody else has an opinion on it, I'd love to >>hear it. >>I would give this a MASSIVE thumbs-up!!! >> >>Gary >> >> >I agree on the 3-D graphics and martial arts scenes...I own the movie on >DVD and on the bigscreen, the visuals are really impressive. But, I was >disappointed that they lost Chris Lambert and instead cast James Remar for >Rayden. On this fact alone, I think I prefer the first Mortal Combat over >Annihilation. > >Just my opinion... > >Bill Code >The Associates of Victoria >http://tourvic.com >http://retailad.bc.ca >#109-3347 Oak Street, Victoria, BC Canada V8X 1R2 >ph: 250-475-2301 // pg: 250-995-4191 >cell: 250-216-7135 // fx: 250-475-3073 > > > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] Interesting comments. I have not seen the first Mortal Kombat, but a friend has it on tape, and I'll be watching it soon. Here's a quote from the January 1998 issue of Femme Fatales magazine about the 2 movies, by the producer of both Larry Kasanoff: "The sequel is more advanced 3-D effects, more fighting women, more plot... everything I wanted to do in Mortal Kombat but budget did not allow." He goes on to say that he " took everything from the first movie and rated everything excellent, good, fair, and poor. Everything below excellent, I threw out." But of course, Bill, if you preferred the actors in the first one, that's a valid point. All I know is, I liked Talisa Soto, Irina Pantaeva, and Musetta Vander in Annihilation. And the mud fight between Dana Hee and Sandra Hess was AWESOME, I thought. Gary [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Cormier Subject: [MV] Fear and Loathing review Date: 24 May 1998 00:24:33 -0700 I have to begin by saying that I have never sampled any type of substance= mentioned in this movie. This made the first half of the movie quite= enjoyable as I got to witness things that I would never have had the chance= to - that is witnessing the effects of a drug trip personally. The movie= does a wonderful job at making you feel as if you have had a little too= much of a lot of drugs. The paisley carpets come alive, characters flicker= and morph, camera angles are twisty and zoomy...But then comes the halfway= point. This is where the "fun" stops and the disgusting starts. It became= not fun to watch as these two characters trashed hotel room after hotel= room in their stoned out sense of being. Anywho - I can't really recommend= this film to anyone - in the same way I can't recommend anyone see Bad= Lieutenant (which is a good movie compared to this one!) It is directed by= Terry Gilliam (12 Monkeys, Fisher King, Brazil, Time Bandits etc...) but= I'm afraid I have to give it a 66% based on reasons previously mentioned. Wanna see a movie? Get all the facts on all the FLIX... www.netcom.ca/~movieman [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bradley Toy" Subject: Re: [MV] Mortal Kombat : Annihilation/ Fantasy movies Date: 23 Apr 1998 20:20:05 -0700 > >Just recently saw this movie on PPV( on a projection TV). Thought it was > >superb!!! > >The 3-D graphics were excellent, and the martial arts scenes(and > >soundtrack) rocked!!! > >This is definitely one of the best Fantasy type films I've ever seen! > >(Along with Beastmaster). If anybody else has an opinion on it, I'd love to > >hear it. > >I would give this a MASSIVE thumbs-up!!! > > > >Gary > > > > > I agree on the 3-D graphics and martial arts scenes...I own the movie on > DVD and on the bigscreen, the visuals are really impressive. But, I was > disappointed that they lost Chris Lambert and instead cast James Remar for > Rayden. On this fact alone, I think I prefer the first Mortal Combat over > Annihilation. > > Just my opinion... > > Bill Code > The Associates of Victoria > http://tourvic.com > http://retailad.bc.ca > #109-3347 Oak Street, Victoria, BC Canada V8X 1R2 > ph: 250-475-2301 // pg: 250-995-4191 > cell: 250-216-7135 // fx: 250-475-3073 I agree with Bill Code, the graphics were excellent, and the soundtrack was awesome. But I didn't like how they cast Raiden either. And I felt that the first MK movie was much better than this one. Because the first one really had a good plot to it, and a story. In the second one, as soon as the movie begins, they start fighting. And it's almost as like that's all they did the entire movie was fight, and granted it is a movie about Kombat. But we do need a good plot. Thanks, Brad Toy http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/9808 [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Diane Christy Subject: [MV] Bulworth Date: 24 May 1998 22:19:54 -0500 I saw "Bulworth" today and really disliked it. Disliked all the racial stuff. Got too silly for me. I didn't buy it. Did anyone like this movie. Am I missing something? ~~~~~ Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom) Jefferson, LA http://www.geocities.com/~dchristy10/ mailto:dchristy10@earthlink.net mailto:DChristy1@aol.com on AOL Instant Messenger on PeopleLink http://www.peoplelink/v1/ ICQ #12904700 ~~~~~ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Ehrich Subject: [MV] English Patient Date: 24 May 1998 23:52:32 -0400 Just saw a movie to add to my all time worst movies list. English patient was a boring movie. In the class with BlowUp and a few other much too long from the past. Another I hated was Get shorty. L.A. Confidential was the best of last year. Just my 2 cents. Gene http://www.voicenet.com/~generic gene@ehrich.com Gene Ehrich P.O. Box 209 Marlton NJ 08053-0209 [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tonya!!! =)" Subject: [MV] Anaconda, December, Feeling Minnesota, and others.... Date: 24 May 1998 23:24:12 -0500 I recently rented Anaconda. I thought it was a really good movie. It had suspense, drama, horror and a tad of romance and comedy. I wouldn't say that it is Oscar-material, but it is definitely worth renting. I also rented Feeling Minnesota. I thought this movie was very bad. I was a little confused throughout the movie too. It had an all-star cast, but a lousy story-line. I don't recommend this movie, unless you want to see it just to get your own opinion. I rented the movie December also. THose who like history movies and movie about war should watch this. I rented it just because of the actors in it. It stars Wil Wheaton, Brian Krause, Jason London and Chris Young., These actors aren't usually mentioned so when I see a movie with a variety of young actors in it, I like to get my views on it. I however, found this movie to be a little bit of a bore. I couldn't finish it. I rented The Stoned Age recently. It totally sucked. I thought it would be something like Mallrats (which is a very good movie by the way), but it was nothing like it. It had no story line. All it was, was one swear word after another. It was bad! I also couldn't stand the movie 12 Monkeys. Seven was good though. Comments are appreciated! -Tonya scoobygirl@bedford.heartland.net [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jayson Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient Date: 25 May 1998 13:58:06 +0800 (HKT) On Sun, 24 May 1998, Gene Ehrich wrote: > Just saw a movie to add to my all time worst movies list. > > English patient was a boring movie. In the class with BlowUp and a few > other much too long from the past. You sound just like Julia Louis Dreyfus in Seinfeld. But I think EP is deserving of its Oscar. > L.A. Confidential was the best of last year. I know I'll get a lot of responses for this: but how about Titanic? Jayson [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin R." Subject: [MV] the new "Godzilla" Date: 25 May 1998 01:11:33 -0500     After waiting anxiously for almost 10 months, I finally got to see Godzilla two days ago.  The
special effects were nothing less than incredible, and I thought Jean Reno was good.  I even
enjoyed the Siskel and Ebert thing.  Unfortunately, the movie was so bad that it was impossible to fully appreciate its few redeeming qualities.  To say that I was disappointed would be a gross
understatement.  Emmerich and Devlin are surviving on special effects and hype, and that just
doesn't cut it.  Who would have thought that they were capable of sinking to a cheesy new low after
Independence Day?  The people at TOHO must have cried when they saw it. And the worst part is
this:  In dragging Godzilla's name through the mud, Emmerich may have inadvertently robbed the
public of their chance to ever see a good American version of Godzilla.  Making this movie and
then misnaming it "Godzilla" was nothing short of irresponsible film making.

    Let me start with the crux of the matter.  This movie was not Godzilla.  I felt as though I were
watching an alternate ending of Jurassic Park 2 (also a bad movie), which picked up right where the
T-Rex gets loose in the city.  Godzilla was a monster first and a giant lizard after, not the other way
around.  In fact, the "monster" in this movie was no monster at all--it was just a giant komodo
dragon.  Monsters have personality and alignment (good/evil).  Lizards do not.  Monsters fight
other monsters.  Lizards do not.  And, most importantly, you can cheer for a monster.  What
possible reason could you have for cheering for a giant lizard with no personality?  The bottom line
is that the creature in this movie never acted like Godzilla.  Emmerich and Devlin removed every
element that made Godzilla what he was and then tried to fill in with special effects.  This is the
single biggest reason that this film just did not work.  The others may seem superficial, but they all
stem from this.  I have listed some of them at the end of this letter.

    I would like to point Emmerich toward the new James Bond movies.  These films worked
because they retained all the elements that made a Bond movie a Bond movie:  fast cars, beautiful
women, ridiculous gadgets, and a super-cool hero who never breaks a sweat.  Sure, a rocket
launching BMW may not be entirely believable, but take it away and Bond just isn't as much fun.  The same idea applies to Godzilla.  I hope that Emmerich will consider this before ruining any more classics.

Kevin Reynolds
 

The little things:
 

  • Although the creature's appearance was not as disappointing as his behavior, it was still lacking.  Again, Godzilla was a monster.  He walked completely upright, and he didn't stoop to breathe on cars.
  • Godzilla had atomic breath, and he used it.  He was not a fire breathing dragon.  The (2) token breath shots that were thrown in were pretty lame.
  • Too many kids--and not one with a personality.  Must run in the family.
  • I'm not sure what happened to his roar, but it just wasn't working.
  • The least irritating change was the swimming.  I don't remember the real Godzilla ever swimming--he just walked across the ocean floor.
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  [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jakob Straub Subject: [MV] Star Wars Episode I Date: 24 May 1998 19:45:46 +0200 Hello, this is for all you Star Wars fans out there - maybe you probably know this already: Roderick Vonhoegens has done a lot of research, and he is presenting a 'Virtual Edition' of the script of the first episode of Star Wars at http://www.theforce.net/Virtual-Edition/ I guess it is quite accurate, because George Lucas did not approve of this, and his friends stated the site gave him "a hard time thinking"... Also on this site: the "lost scenes" from "A New Hope". Enjoy it, but beware: reading the entire script might spoil the movie release for you! [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bradley Toy" Subject: Re: [MV] Bulworth Date: 24 Apr 1998 19:57:54 -0700 > I saw "Bulworth" today and really disliked it. Disliked all the racial > stuff. Got too silly for me. I didn't buy it. Did anyone like this > movie. Am I missing something? > ~~~~~ > Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom) > Jefferson, LA > http://www.geocities.com/~dchristy10/ > mailto:dchristy10@earthlink.net mailto:DChristy1@aol.com > on AOL Instant Messenger > on PeopleLink http://www.peoplelink/v1/ > ICQ #12904700 > ~~~~~ I didn't see the movie yet, but from what I could see on the previews, it wasn't worth the money that you paid. It didn't look any good at all. Brad Toy http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/9808 http://www.nb.net/~brad [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Ehrich Subject: [MV] Titanic Date: 25 May 1998 08:22:21 -0400 >> L.A. Confidential was the best of last year. > >I know I'll get a lot of responses for this: but how about Titanic? Loved Titanic, thought it was a great movie but LA Confidential was better. Both were great, just one better. Gene http://www.voicenet.com/~generic gene@ehrich.com Gene Ehrich P.O. Box 209 Marlton NJ 08053-0209 [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARY ZEIG Subject: Re: [MV] the new "Godzilla" Date: 25 May 1998 09:12:10 -0400 > After waiting anxiously for almost 10 months, I finally got to see >Godzilla two days ago. The special effects were nothing less than >incredible, and I thought Jean Reno was good. I even enjoyed the Siskel >and Ebert thing. Unfortunately, the movie was so bad that it was >impossible to fully appreciate its few redeeming qualities. To say that I >was disappointed would be a gross understatement. Emmerich and Devlin are >surviving on special effects and hype, and that just doesn't cut it. Who >would have thought that they were capable of sinking to a cheesy new low >after Independence Day? The people at TOHO must have cried when they saw >it. And the worst part is this: In dragging Godzilla's name through the >mud, Emmerich may have inadvertently robbed the public of their chance to >ever see a good American version of Godzilla. Making this movie and then >misnaming it "Godzilla" was nothing short of irresponsible film making. > Let me start with the crux of the matter. This movie was not >Godzilla. I felt as though I were watching an alternate ending of >Jurassic Park 2 (also a bad movie), which picked up right where the T-Rex >gets loose in the city. Godzilla was a monster first and a giant lizard >after, not the other way around. In fact, the "monster" in this movie was >no monster at all--it was just a giant komodo dragon. Monsters have >personality and alignment (good/evil). Lizards do not. Monsters fight >other monsters. Lizards do not. And, most importantly, you can cheer for >a monster. What possible reason could you have for cheering for a giant >lizard with no personality? The bottom line is that the creature in this >movie never acted like Godzilla. Emmerich and Devlin removed every >element that made Godzilla what he was and then tried to fill in with >special effects. This is the single biggest reason that this film just >did not work. The others may seem superficial, but they all stem from >this. I have listed some of them at the end of this letter. > I would like to point Emmerich toward the new James Bond movies. >These films worked because they retained all the elements that made a Bond >movie a Bond movie: fast cars, beautiful women, ridiculous gadgets, and a >super-cool hero who never breaks a sweat. Sure, a rocket launching BMW >may not be entirely believable, but take it away and Bond just isn't as >much fun. The same idea applies to Godzilla. I hope that Emmerich will >consider this before ruining any more classics. >Kevin Reynolds >The little things: > * Although the creature's appearance was not as disappointing as his >behavior, it was still lacking. Again, Godzilla was a monster. He walked >completely upright, and he didn't stoop to breathe on cars.* * Godzilla >had atomic breath, and he used it. He was not a fire breathing dragon. >The (2) token breath shots that were thrown in were pretty lame.* * Too >many kids--and not one with a personality. Must run in the family.* * >I'm not sure what happened to his roar, but it just wasn't working.* * >The least irritating change was the swimming. I don't remember the real >Godzilla ever swimming--he just walked across the ocean floor.* > -- "I can be anything I want...except an engineer." -Brett Favre [ To >quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ >(without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] Kevin: You make a lot of valid points. I also think you must acknowledge and realize two things: First, When a major director like Emmerich undertakes a major task like Godzilla, he faces this dilemma: Should he make an exact replica of what we've already seen in past Godzilla movies or should he stamp his own imprint on this project? Some changes are inevitable. They go with the territory. Second, if this was a low-budget feature, we would see a certain type of movie, but a bigger budget allows the director to do certain things technology wise. I think what you wanted was a big budget movie with a low budget story line. What you got was really the director taking advantage of certain advances. It's simply his take on the Godzilla legend. That doesn't make it right or wrong. Maybe Emmerich was the wrong guy for this job. But then again, maybe NO ONE could exceed people's expectations on this project. Some people want a NEW Godzilla (Show me something more than what we've seen) while others just wanna see a good story with the old familiar Godzilla. I tend to think the big budget nature of this project influenced the end product. I agree this movie wasn't what it should have been. I'm not sure why this is so. But personally, I did like Godzilla himself. I think the rest of the movie was the real problem. Gary [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Code Subject: Re: [MV] fear and loathing, godzilla Date: 25 May 1998 07:23:09 -0700 >I just saw Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas yesterday. It's good- and >amazingly true to the book. The movie starts out exactly the same- it's >really funny. Whole passages of the book made it into the movie. > >Johnny Depp made an amazing Hunter Thompson. The movie got to be a bit >long in the end, but it's really funny, and the affects it has- people >turning into lizards, etc- are really well done. I felt like I was on acid >for part of it. I agree with Depp being an amazing Thompson, as Depp is mostlikely one the most talented of the young actors these days... but I was also impressed with Benicio Del Toro. I have seen him as Fenster in Usual Suspects and thought he was great, I have also just recently seen him with Alicia Silverstone in Excess Baggage, and wasn't really impressed. But as Gonzo... wow. I wonder how he put on so much weight. Gonzo was about 300 pounds, according to Thompson. In Usual Suspects and Excess Baggage, Del Toro was skinny. Sort of reminds me of De Niro in Raging Bull. You know, he gained 60 or so pounds for the part. Off to see Godzilla today, I let you know what I think... Bill Code The Associates of Victoria http://tourvic.com http://retailad.bc.ca #109-3347 Oak Street, Victoria, BC Canada V8X 1R2 ph: 250-475-2301 // pg: 250-995-4191 cell: 250-216-7135 // fx: 250-475-3073 [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Bridges Subject: [MV] the new "Godzilla" -Reply Date: 26 May 1998 08:42:33 -0700 I have a feeling that Godzilla is going to have a lot of wildly varying opinions. Let me just say that I think that it is one of the worst movies I have ever seen. I'm not using hyperbole to make a point but honestly felt that it was a godawful, crummy and pointless movie. As someone mentioned earlier, Godzilla had no personality. Were we supposed to root for Godzilla or sypathize with it? You couldn't tell from the film. I have to say that I have not enjoyed a single Emerich directed film yet (why do I keep going? Even I don't know.) but Godzilla is by far his worst yet. And who is that woman who evidently has not completed her intro to acting classes? There are so many things to complain about but the bottom line is that it was void of camp or humor but at the same time did not make any effort to follow any logic. If you want to make an intense monster movie you can't have characters making idiotic oneliners while being eaten by the lizard. I have a feeling that this film was put into production before a script was ready and they simply pieced it together as they went along. Thier reasoning was probably that this is an event movie and it didn't really matter as long as Godzilla looked good. And you know what? They failed on that as well! Even the design of Godzilla was a huge mistake. It looked like a lizard crossed with one of the Alien monsters. I was going to list a series of logical points but I don't have the energy in these tired old fingers. The weekend boxoffice is about half of what Sony was hoping for. Sure they will put on a good face but I think this movie is going to tank ultimately. OK when I say tank I mean in the case of such a blockbuster I think it will be lucky to break $200 million. 6 months ago people had reason to believe that it would be second only to Titantic. What was the point of even using the name except to cash in on the existing franchise? If there is a sequel they should just give $100 million to TOHO and allow them to make a big budget version of the campy and lovable Godzilla that has succeeded for so many years. BTW, I wasn't impressed by ANYTHING in the film. I've seen F/X that are far more impressive already. The bar has been raised and these guys didn't reach it. This weekend I also saw what I thought was a great film. "The Opposite of Sex" stars a growing Christina Ricci as one of the most dispicable lead characters I've ever seen in a film and is absolutely hilarious. It is a very black comedy and gets its humor from a lot of touchy subjects but it is ultimately quite intelligent and will probably appeal to those she attacks the most. Its playing at the art houses here so I don't know how available it will be elsewhere but make sure you catch it on video. bye, bb [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "TERENCE R. McDONALD, ASSOC. PROF., PERF. ARTS DEPT." Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient Date: 26 May 1998 17:05:25 -0500 (EST) I must concur with Gene Ehrich. THE ENGLISH PATIENT has to be one of the most overpraised films of the decade. It's opening sequence pan across the desert was breathtaking. But, aside from Juliet Binoche, it was pretty much a waste of time. I fail to understand the heat supposedly made by Kristin Scott Thomas. Ralph Fiennes was his usual enigmatic self. Elaine Benes may be the only critic with a fair podium against this film. L.A. CONFIDENTIAL is a good film. I don't think it was a great film. The most overlooked performances of the year are Russell Crowe and Guy Pearce. Crowe holds the whole film together. Also, James Cromwell. Spacey was excellent, as usual, but his part wasn't as juicy and he wasn't as incredibly different as he has been in other parts. TITANIC is a great film. Yes, it is overly sentimental, but Cameron was far more wise with his writing than anyone wants to give him credit for. He made us care about Rose and Jack and this is the glue that keeps all those teens coming back and back and back. It is a wonderfully romantic epic. Also, Cameron caught the downfall of the Victorian rich in quiet, understated tones, that informed the film but didn't become preachy. It is far more hard to write a film like this and make it work, than it is to write something like GOOD WILL HUNTING or even, L.A. CONFIDENTIAL. TITANIC should have prevailed over GOOD WILL. If Ben and Matt had not seemed such cute, young popular hunks, I doubt if they would have had a chance. Also, the real savior of GOOD WILL was Rob Reiner. Originally, Damon and Affleck were having Will become caught up in some international spy intrigue. Reiner encouraged them to stick with the characters and their logical development. Saw BULWORTH this weekend. A must see film Beatty is back at the top of his form. [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jimena de Haro" Subject: Re: [MV] Titanic Date: 26 May 1998 07:31:52 PDT I think Titanic was a very good movie, It had me crying for 2 hrs,but there was something missing.However L.A Confidential was so great,Ieven saw it again the very next day and never got tired of it.I think Titanic earned lots of money because of Leonardo DiCaprio and maybe for the outstanding Special effects. Still I'm glad Titanic won the Osar. >From owner-movies@lists.xmission.com Mon May 25 07:52:56 1998 >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0ydwBW-00037z-00; Mon, 25 May 1998 06:16:58 -0600 >Received: from (voicenet.com) [207.103.0.6] > by lists.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0ydwBU-00037k-00; Mon, 25 May 1998 06:16:56 -0600 >Received: (qmail 9067 invoked from network); 25 May 1998 12:16:54 -0000 >Received: from chill.nj.124.voicenet.com (HELO generic.voicenet.com) (207.103.11.203) > by mail12.voicenet.com with SMTP; 25 May 1998 12:16:54 -0000 >X-Sender: generic@popmail.voicenet.com >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 >Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 08:22:21 -0400 >To: movies@lists.xmission.com >From: Gene Ehrich >Subject: [MV] Titanic >In-Reply-To: >References: >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Message-Id: >Sender: owner-movies@lists.xmission.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: movies@lists.xmission.com > >>> L.A. Confidential was the best of last year. >> >>I know I'll get a lot of responses for this: but how about Titanic? > > Loved Titanic, thought it was a great movie but LA Confidential was better. > > Both were great, just one better. > > Gene > >------------------------------------------------------ > >http://www.voicenet.com/~generic >gene@ehrich.com >Gene Ehrich P.O. Box 209 Marlton NJ 08053-0209 >------------------------------------------------------ > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Bridges Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient -Reply Date: 26 May 1998 16:59:47 -0700 I have to say that Good Will Hunting had more insight into the human condition than 10 Titantics. Damon and Affleck have both been the targets of various attacks including the claim that they did not actually write the script. The screenwriter that discussed their script (I think it was Goldman) came out and specifically repudiated that rumor. He said he discussed some simple plot point issues with them in one day. I found Good Will Hunting to be an amazing and profound (who would think guys in thier twenties could be so sensitive?) film that deserved much more than best screenplay. After all the bedazzlement of seeing a big boat sink real good has passed us by I think that Good Will Hunting will stand as a much better film in every category (except for costumes and big boat f/x). Of course I could be wrong. bb [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom J. O'Neil" Subject: Re: [MV] Titanic Date: 26 May 1998 20:00:02 -0500 Am I the only person who did not like Titanic? I could not stand watching the acting of the "Brad Pitt wanna-be" and the young "Gillian Anderson" during the suicide sequence. "If you jump, I jump because I'm involved now." Leonardo was not convincing during that part (a key sequence in the movie) and he never convinced me of being anything other than a rich brat. He even seemed more prissy than Kate. I guess when I look for a romantic flick... I either look for sappy (True Romance) or drama (English Patient) not a made for McDonalds movie. Of course... who am I to shoot down a kazillion dollar film. Thomas O'Neil tom.oneil@cunamutual.com gene@ehrich.com 05/25/98 07:22 AM Please respond to movies@lists.xmission.com cc: (bcc: Tom J. O'Neil/Madison/CMG) >> L.A. Confidential was the best of last year. > >I know I'll get a lot of responses for this: but how about Titanic? Loved Titanic, thought it was a great movie but LA Confidential was better. Both were great, just one better. Gene http://www.voicenet.com/~generic gene@ehrich.com Gene Ehrich P.O. Box 209 Marlton NJ 08053-0209 [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GeminiJef Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient Date: 26 May 1998 21:11:33 EDT UNFORGIVEN has got to be up there also as one of the most boring and overly praised films of the decade. In a message dated 98-05-26 17:59:06 EDT, you write: << THE ENGLISH PATIENT has to be one of the most overpraised films of the decade >> [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Blacknight Subject: Re: [MV] Titanic Date: 27 May 1998 09:47:43 +0800 Tom J. O'Neil wrote: > > Am I the only person who did not like Titanic? My officemates say that I missed half of my life for not watching Titanic. Well, I don't think so. Maybe I will try to watch it again in five or so years. I think watching Titanic would be like reading a Regency romance or something. blacknight [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Blacknight Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient -Reply Date: 27 May 1998 09:43:21 +0800 Bruce Bridges wrote: > > I have to say that Good Will Hunting had more insight into the human > condition than 10 Titantics. --cut-- > I found Good Will Hunting to be an amazing and profound (who would > think guys in thier twenties could be so sensitive?) film that > deserved much more than best screenplay. How can you compare story of Good Will Hunting with Titanic?? The story of Good Will was far superior compared to those of Titanic. I might not have seen the movie but the way I heard the comments from other people, they were not that absorbed with the story but rather on other aspects like the FX, the love. I guess Titanic is one of those period movies whose color and background simply takes every viewers breath away. I guess that sweeping is the word appropriate for Titanic and sensitive is for Good Will. Here in the Philippines, they are translating the dialogue into the native dialect and it simply sounds awful and corny. The plot still resembles another Romeo and Juliet. They are just rehashing usual story about the one great love. I am sick and tired about those movies that keep rehashing that type of formula. As for Good Will, the story may not be that new. But it has sensitivity and maturity coming from a couple of Gen-Xers. I guess this goes back to my concept that there are three type of writers: a. the one who has a very good story to tell b. a good storyteller (he has an okay story but the way he tells or presents it makes you not put down the book) c. the real thing (has an original story but not all the time, knows how to play with words, is able to present different views and emotions, makes you think about the other side issues) To me: Titanic has a letter b, makes you fall in love with love while Good Will has letter c and makes you think and see the hidden emotions. blacknight [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "NCC2000" Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient Date: 26 May 1998 20:21:19 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BD88E3.D787D900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I disagree with you on this one. I thought Unforgiven and The English Patient were extremely well done and well deserving of their Oscar praise. One of the most overpraised movies I have seen has got to be Trainspotting. I heard nothing but positive reviews from the critics about this movie, but after watching it I can honestly say I think it is one of the worst movies of the decade. ---------- > From: GeminiJef > To: movies@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient > Date: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 7:11 PM > > UNFORGIVEN has got to be up there also as one of the most boring and overly > praised films of the decade. > > > > In a message dated 98-05-26 17:59:06 EDT, you write: > > << THE ENGLISH PATIENT has to be one of the most > overpraised films of the decade >> > > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------=_NextPart_000_01BD88E3.D787D900 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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> = [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com =             &= nbsp;           ]<= /p> ------=_NextPart_000_01BD88E3.D787D900-- [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Diane Christy Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient -Reply Date: 26 May 1998 22:28:09 -0500 On 5/26/98, 8:43 PM -0500, Blacknight said so nicely: >How can you compare story of Good Will Hunting with Titanic?? The story >of Good Will was far superior compared to those of Titanic. I agree! GOOD WILL HUNTING was a wonderfully profound film. I loved TITANIC too, but for different reasons. It was fun and of epic proportions and it was beautiful to look at. GOOD WILL HUNTING illustrated the human condition in one of the most poignant screenplays I've seen in a long time. When I went to see TITANIC I wasn't expecting anything great. Looked like a lot of fluff. And I think that's what it was. But I think there's room for that kind of moviemaking. It was good at what it did (for me) and I thoroughly enjoyed it and plan to buy it when it comes out on video. GOOD WILL HUNTING will also occupy a space in my collection but for different reasons. This film touched me as a human being. I saw myself a lot in this film. It doesn't matter how old the writers are, they wrote a script that truly touches people. I think each film is wonderful for different reasons. I don't have a problem with TITANIC being named best picture of the year. I think the true talent in GOOD WILL HUNTING was in the writing (and in Robin Williams' performance). That's what got recognized. ~~~~~ Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom) Jefferson, LA http://www.geocities.com/~dchristy10/ mailto:dchristy10@earthlink.net mailto:DChristy1@aol.com on AOL Instant Messenger on PeopleLink http://www.peoplelink/v1/ ICQ #12904700 ~~~~~ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mel Eperthener Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient -Reply Date: 26 May 1998 23:30:00 -0400 I apologise. I am simply am not able to resist:-) >Here in the Philippines, they are translating the dialogue into the >native dialect and it simply sounds awful and corny. Yeah?? So how exactly is this different from the English version?? Regards, --Mel --Mel Eperthener president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty email: bcassidy@usaor.net gowanna@australiamail.com http://www.webz.com/gowanna 419 Butler Street PO Box 95184 Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184 (412) 781-6140 (412) 781-6380 1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE ____________________________________________ That was a wicked googly! --Jerry Seinfeld, AMEX commercial ______________________________________________ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARY ZEIG Subject: [MV] Leo Dicaprio Date: 26 May 1998 22:49:17 -0400 Word is, Leo will earn 21 million to play a rapist/serial killer in his next movie "American Psycho." While this may be a great movie, I think this move is career suicide for him. This movie undoubtedly will show he is a great actor, however, it will tarnish his teen idol image beyond repair. And let's face it: Leo's biggest fans are teen girls. So it's gonna be real interesting to see how the public reacts to this film, and whether Leo's popularity increases or wanes. GRZ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Blacknight Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient -Reply Date: 27 May 1998 12:04:40 +0800 Mel Eperthener wrote: > > I apologise. I am simply am not able to resist:-) > > >Here in the Philippines, they are translating the dialogue into the > >native dialect and it simply sounds awful and corny. > > Yeah?? So how exactly is this different from the English version?? > > Regards, > > --Mel > It comes out very cheesy, simply over-acted, and too dramatic. A typical Filipino has usually two mindsets, the American and Filipino one. Because we understand and speak good English, we can comprehend the romance and etc. But when it is translated to Filipino, it comes out to be very outrageous and corny. It would be equivalent to a B-movie without the "cult" adjective attached to it. Almost everyone here that this translation thing is very corny and people are trying very hard to cash on the Titanic tidal wave. Right now they are making a spoof of Titanic called Tataynics where Tatay is the Filipino word for Father. blacknight [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anita Watts Subject: Re: [MV]Titanic, sort of Date: 26 May 1998 21:33:16 -0700 (PDT) ROTFL - I keep wanting to say something about this, but I know I haave to read all the posts first, so this was the last and here I am. I kind of agree about the dialogue...must be aimed at the pre-adolescents. Cameron bagged a huge portion of the paying public! I think the overall fascination with this movie is not the romantic storyline, but the whole need to "be there" and see for yourself what happened with this ship. Today we have instant CNN coverage of anything and everything and things even 20 years ago are ancient history. Events like the Titanic are almost beyond comprehension because there "is no footage"/"coverage" to refer to. The love story just keeps us there and makes us care - flaws notwithstanding. Anita On Tue, 26 May 1998, Mel Eperthener wrote: > I apologise. I am simply am not able to resist:-) > > >Here in the Philippines, they are translating the dialogue into the > >native dialect and it simply sounds awful and corny. > > Yeah?? So how exactly is this different from the English version?? [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Blacknight Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient -Reply Date: 27 May 1998 12:04:40 +0800 Mel Eperthener wrote: > > I apologise. I am simply am not able to resist:-) > > >Here in the Philippines, they are translating the dialogue into the > >native dialect and it simply sounds awful and corny. > > Yeah?? So how exactly is this different from the English version?? > > Regards, > > --Mel > It comes out very cheesy, simply over-acted, and too dramatic. A typical Filipino has usually two mindsets, the American and Filipino one. Because we understand and speak good English, we can comprehend the romance and etc. But when it is translated to Filipino, it comes out to be very outrageous and corny. It would be equivalent to a B-movie without the "cult" adjective attached to it. Almost everyone here that this translation thing is very corny and people are trying very hard to cash on the Titanic tidal wave. Right now they are making a spoof of Titanic called Tataynics where Tatay is the Filipino word for Father. blacknight [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom J. O'Neil" Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient Date: 27 May 1998 07:19:19 -0500 I must admit that I watched Trainspotting three times in four days. I was captivated by the whole movie. It has certainly become a cult classic. Did it deserve the praise and awards that it received? It really depends on the viewer. It was not a movie that transcended all age groups. I am a 23 year-old open-minded male. My friend (of the same age) who is used to the Starship Troopers and Face Off (Both movies I liked as well) hated it. You get the same feelings from Trainspotting as you do from The Fifth Element. The plot and the character builds are weak... but you are so fascinated by everything else in the movie... none of that really matters. On that note.... what did everyone think of The Fifth Element. Tom O'Neil Please respond to movies@lists.xmission.com cc: (bcc: Tom J. O'Neil/Madison/CMG) I disagree with you on this one. I thought Unforgiven and The English Patient were extremely well done and well deserving of their Oscar praise. One of the most overpraised movies I have seen has got to be Trainspotting. I heard nothing but positive reviews from the critics about this movie, but after watching it I can honestly say I think it is one of the worst movies of the decade. ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ABYRNE.IE.ORACLE.COM" Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient Date: 27 May 1998 13:54:15 +0100 --=_ORCL_4427234_0_0 Content-Transfer-Encoding:quoted-printable Content-Type:text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thoght it was a good movie.Good acting by Mila.Bruce played the old reliable= action hero.Average plot,but pretty good special effects.Has anyone seen a movie called "Fear of a Black Hat"It is a few years old now,but probably the= funniest movie I have ever seen,followed by Austin Powers,although they are both very funny.Speaking of which, I have been looking for the Soundtrack for fear of a black hat for a few years, with no success.Can anyone help me out.= If so I will be deeply indebtted to you for life! Thanks & Regards, ****************************************************************************= ** ****************************************************************************= ** Anto Byrne Net:abyrne@ie.oracle.com Fulfillment Dept. Phone:8031461 Oracle E.M.E.A. Fax:8031541 Unit 14 email:abyrne.ie Airways Industrial Estate Cloghran Dublin 17. ****************************************************************************= ** "Float like a cannon-ball,sting like a shark I'm the one who's waiting for you in the dark" ****************************************************************************= ** --=_ORCL_4427234_0_0 Content-Type:message/rfc822 Reply-to:IEUNIX1.IE.ORACLE.COM:movies@lists.xmission.com Return-Path: Received:from iedns1.ie.oracle.com by iemail1.ie.oracle.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.1) id NAA18837; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:18:29 +0100 Received:from mail-gw3.uk.oracle.com (ukaa04.uk.oracle.com) by iedns1.ie.oracle.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00267; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:22:54 +0100 Received:from uksn98.uk.oracle.com (uksn98.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.67]) by mail-gw3.uk.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA11354 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:25:24 +0100 (BST) Received:from lists.xmission.com ([198.60.22.7]) by uksn98.uk.oracle.com via smtpd (for ukaa04.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.99]) with SMTP; 27 May 1998 12:25:25 UT Received:from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yefEr-00079l-00; Wed, 27 May 1998 06:23:25 -0600 Received:from (smokies.binc.net) [205.173.176.11] (root) by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yefEo-00079V-00; Wed, 27 May 1998 06:23:22 -0600 Received:from CUNAMutual.com (mail.cunamutual.com [206.97.88.1]) by smokies.binc.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA16632 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:23:21 -0500 Received:by CUNAMutual.com(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP MTA v1.1.04 (495.1 10-24-1997)) id 86256611.004403DA ; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:22:54 -0500 X-Lotus-Fromdomain:CMG Message-Id:<86256611.0042A89B.00@CUNAMutual.com> Sender:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type:text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit I must admit that I watched Trainspotting three times in four days. I was captivated by the whole movie. It has certainly become a cult classic. Did it deserve the praise and awards that it received? It really depends on the viewer. It was not a movie that transcended all age groups. I am a 23 year-old open-minded male. My friend (of the same age) who is used to the Starship Troopers and Face Off (Both movies I liked as well) hated it. You get the same feelings from Trainspotting as you do from The Fifth Element. The plot and the character builds are weak... but you are so fascinated by everything else in the movie... none of that really matters. On that note.... what did everyone think of The Fifth Element. Tom O'Neil Please respond to movies@lists.xmission.com cc: (bcc: Tom J. O'Neil/Madison/CMG) I disagree with you on this one. I thought Unforgiven and The English Patient were extremely well done and well deserving of their Oscar praise. One of the most overpraised movies I have seen has got to be Trainspotting. I heard nothing but positive reviews from the critics about this movie, but after watching it I can honestly say I think it is one of the worst movies of the decade. ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] --=_ORCL_4427234_0_0-- [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard J. Doyle" Subject: RE: [MV] Leo Dicaprio Date: 27 May 1998 07:54:56 -0500 Is this supposed to be an adaptation of the book? Richard J. Doyle Access & Visual Basic Developer CRW Systems rdoyle29@msn.com ICQ# 9867240 Something for nothing. It can all be yours. Everything you know IS true. "Bob" is the proof. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of GARY ZEIG Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 9:49 PM Word is, Leo will earn 21 million to play a rapist/serial killer in his next movie "American Psycho." While this may be a great movie, I think this move is career suicide for him. This movie undoubtedly will show he is a great actor, however, it will tarnish his teen idol image beyond repair. And let's face it: Leo's biggest fans are teen girls. So it's gonna be real interesting to see how the public reacts to this film, and whether Leo's popularity increases or wanes. GRZ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wayne Ramlogan Subject: Re: [MV] Titanic Date: 27 May 1998 11:42:44 -0700 Hello Is it ture that at Christmas there will be a director's cut of Titanic? Jimena de Haro wrote: > I think Titanic was a very good movie, It had me crying for 2 hrs,but > there was something missing.However L.A Confidential was so great,Ieven > saw it again the very next day and never got tired of it.I think Titanic > earned lots of money because of Leonardo DiCaprio and maybe for the > outstanding Special effects. > Still I'm glad Titanic won the Osar. > > >From owner-movies@lists.xmission.com Mon May 25 07:52:56 1998 > >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) > > id 0ydwBW-00037z-00; Mon, 25 May 1998 06:16:58 -0600 > >Received: from (voicenet.com) [207.103.0.6] > > by lists.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > > id 0ydwBU-00037k-00; Mon, 25 May 1998 06:16:56 -0600 > >Received: (qmail 9067 invoked from network); 25 May 1998 12:16:54 -0000 > >Received: from chill.nj.124.voicenet.com (HELO generic.voicenet.com) > (207.103.11.203) > > by mail12.voicenet.com with SMTP; 25 May 1998 12:16:54 -0000 > >X-Sender: generic@popmail.voicenet.com > >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 > >Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 08:22:21 -0400 > >To: movies@lists.xmission.com > >From: Gene Ehrich > >Subject: [MV] Titanic > >In-Reply-To: > > >References: > >Mime-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Message-Id: > >Sender: owner-movies@lists.xmission.com > >Precedence: bulk > >Reply-To: movies@lists.xmission.com > > > >>> L.A. Confidential was the best of last year. > >> > >>I know I'll get a lot of responses for this: but how about Titanic? > > > > Loved Titanic, thought it was a great movie but LA Confidential was > better. > > > > Both were great, just one better. > > > > Gene > > > >------------------------------------------------------ > > > >http://www.voicenet.com/~generic > >gene@ehrich.com > >Gene Ehrich P.O. Box 209 Marlton NJ 08053-0209 > >------------------------------------------------------ > > > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe > movies" ] > >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com > ] > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] -- \ _| / q .. p \ / \--/ // __||__// /. _/ // \ / // || \\ / \ )\| | / || || | |/\| || | | || | \ || / __/ || \__ \____/\____/ "The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever." --Tsiolkovsky [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Bridges Subject: [MV] Leo Dicaprio -Reply Date: 27 May 1998 08:49:03 -0700 To be honest I cannot believe they are even making "American Psycho". All I ever heard about it was how absolutely revolting it is. I wonder what the audience will be for such a film. I agree that The English Patient is hugely overrated and think that in the years to come it will be considered unworthy of the Oscar. But it had all the elements that the academy loves so well and that's that. I have to disagree with the criticism of The Unforgiven. I think Eastwood created one of the best Westerns ever made. In fact I rented it again this weekend. The movie turns the genre upside down and allows us to imagine what happens to all of those gunslingers that lived to settle down. But most importantly it made real the effect of killing a man and stripped it of its romance. As much as I love action films with big guns and explosions (nothing Freudian here) it never hurts to be reminded of reality. Speaking of translation, I love Chinese and Japanese films. I go to a theatre in a Chinese section of town fairly regularly. The one thing that you have to get used to is the terrible translations. I don't know why they can't just hire someone who is fluent to check the dialogue but it can be laughable. That would be a cool job, rewriting bad subtitles. bb >>> GARY ZEIG - 5/26/98 7:49 PM >>> Word is, Leo will earn 21 million to play a rapist/serial killer in his next movie "American Psycho." While this may be a great movie, I think this move is career suicide for him. This movie undoubtedly will show he is a great actor, however, it will tarnish his teen idol image beyond repair. And let's face it: Leo's biggest fans are teen girls. So it's gonna be real interesting to see how the public reacts to this film, and whether Leo's popularity increases or wanes. GRZ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ABYRNE.IE.ORACLE.COM" Subject: Re: [MV] Titanic Date: 27 May 1998 16:55:24 +0100 --=_ORCL_4429967_0_0 Content-Transfer-Encoding:quoted-printable Content-Type:text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" yes, it will be about an extra 20-mins long. Thanks & Regards, ****************************************************************************= ** ****************************************************************************= ** Anto Byrne Net:abyrne@ie.oracle.com Fulfillment Dept. Phone:8031461 Oracle E.M.E.A. Fax:8031541 Unit 14 email:abyrne.ie Airways Industrial Estate Cloghran Dublin 17. ****************************************************************************= ** "Float like a cannon-ball,sting like a shark I'm the one who's waiting for you in the dark" ****************************************************************************= ** --=_ORCL_4429967_0_0 Content-Type:message/rfc822 Reply-to:IEUNIX1.IE.ORACLE.COM:movies@lists.xmission.com Return-Path: Received:from iedns1.ie.oracle.com by iemail1.ie.oracle.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.1) id QAA24001; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:42:24 +0100 Received:from mail-gw3.uk.oracle.com (ukaa04.uk.oracle.com) by iedns1.ie.oracle.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA05483; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:46:48 +0100 Received:from uksn98.uk.oracle.com (uksn98.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.67]) by mail-gw3.uk.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA01024 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:49:19 +0100 (BST) Received:from lists.xmission.com ([198.60.22.7]) by uksn98.uk.oracle.com via smtpd (for ukaa04.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.99]) with SMTP; 27 May 1998 15:49:20 UT Received:from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yeiPH-0005kU-00; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:46:23 -0600 Received:from (enterprise.tht.net) [209.47.145.2] by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yeiPE-0005k6-00; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:46:20 -0600 Received:from tht.net(really [209.47.145.113]) by enterprise.tht.net via sendmail with esmtp id for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:46:17 -0400 (EDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #5 built 1998-Ma Message-Id:<356C5EA3.EA29B246@tht.net> References:<19980526143155.7647.qmail@hotmail.com> Sender:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type:text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit Hello Is it ture that at Christmas there will be a director's cut of Titanic? Jimena de Haro wrote: > I think Titanic was a very good movie, It had me crying for 2 hrs,but > there was something missing.However L.A Confidential was so great,Ieven > saw it again the very next day and never got tired of it.I think Titanic > earned lots of money because of Leonardo DiCaprio and maybe for the > outstanding Special effects. > Still I'm glad Titanic won the Osar. > > >From owner-movies@lists.xmission.com Mon May 25 07:52:56 1998 > >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) > > id 0ydwBW-00037z-00; Mon, 25 May 1998 06:16:58 -0600 > >Received: from (voicenet.com) [207.103.0.6] > > by lists.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > > id 0ydwBU-00037k-00; Mon, 25 May 1998 06:16:56 -0600 > >Received: (qmail 9067 invoked from network); 25 May 1998 12:16:54 -0000 > >Received: from chill.nj.124.voicenet.com (HELO generic.voicenet.com) > (207.103.11.203) > > by mail12.voicenet.com with SMTP; 25 May 1998 12:16:54 -0000 > >X-Sender: generic@popmail.voicenet.com > >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 > >Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 08:22:21 -0400 > >To: movies@lists.xmission.com > >From: Gene Ehrich > >Subject: [MV] Titanic > >In-Reply-To: > > >References: > >Mime-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Message-Id: > >Sender: owner-movies@lists.xmission.com > >Precedence: bulk > >Reply-To: movies@lists.xmission.com > > > >>> L.A. Confidential was the best of last year. > >> > >>I know I'll get a lot of responses for this: but how about Titanic? > > > > Loved Titanic, thought it was a great movie but LA Confidential was > better. > > > > Both were great, just one better. > > > > Gene > > > >------------------------------------------------------ > > > >http://www.voicenet.com/~generic > >gene@ehrich.com > >Gene Ehrich P.O. Box 209 Marlton NJ 08053-0209 > >------------------------------------------------------ > > > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe > movies" ] > >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com > ] > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] -- \ _| / q .. p \ / \--/ // __||__// /. _/ // \ / // || \\ / \ )\| | / || || | |/\| || | | || | \ || / __/ || \__ \____/\____/ "The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever." --Tsiolkovsky [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] --=_ORCL_4429967_0_0-- [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Diane Christy Subject: Re: [MV] Leo Dicaprio Date: 27 May 1998 11:28:15 -0500 On 5/26/98, 9:49 PM -0500, GARY ZEIG said so nicely: >Word is, Leo will earn 21 million to play a rapist/serial killer in his >next movie "American Psycho." While this may be a great movie, I think this >move is career suicide for him. This movie undoubtedly will show he is a >great actor, however, it will tarnish his teen idol image beyond repair. >And let's face it: Leo's biggest fans are teen girls. >So it's gonna be real interesting to see how the public reacts to this >film, and whether Leo's popularity increases or wanes. The movie's got a great director though (if I'm not mistaken). Gus Van Sant is wonderful. I think DiCaprio could stand to be away from the teenage girls for a while. I think his best performance (which no teenage girl would fawn over) was Arnie is WHAT'S EATING GILBERT GRAPE?. I also think he should have gotten the Academy Award for this role. I think he is really gifted. Please, please, get him away from the teenage roles and let him be an actor!! I'm not saying that AMERICAN PSYCHO will do this for him, but with Van Sant as the director, I'm looking foward to seeing this film! ~~~~~ Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom) Jefferson, LA http://www.geocities.com/~dchristy10/ mailto:dchristy10@earthlink.net mailto:DChristy1@aol.com on AOL Instant Messenger on PeopleLink http://www.peoplelink/v1/ ICQ #12904700 ~~~~~ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Diane Christy Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient Date: 27 May 1998 11:30:02 -0500 On 5/27/98, 7:54 AM -0500, ABYRNE.IE.ORACLE.COM said so nicely: >Speaking of which, I have been looking for the Soundtrack >for >fear of a black hat for a few years, with no success.Can anyone help me out. >If so I will be deeply indebtted to you for life! Look for it at CD Now. Go to http://www.cdnow.com/ ~~~~~ Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom) Jefferson, LA http://www.geocities.com/~dchristy10/ mailto:dchristy10@earthlink.net mailto:DChristy1@aol.com on AOL Instant Messenger on PeopleLink http://www.peoplelink/v1/ ICQ #12904700 ~~~~~ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Branimir Piskor" Subject: [MV] Question Date: 27 May 1998 20:46:01 +0200 Hi guys I subscribed recently on this list. I have one question. Why are you talking only about English patient and Titanic? those movies are not so hot new. Can someone tell me something about movie The game? Branimir Piskor branimir.piskor@zd.tel.hr [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Diane Christy Subject: Re: [MV] Question Date: 27 May 1998 14:18:21 -0500 On 5/27/98, 1:46 PM -0500, Branimir Piskor said so nicely: >Hi guys >I subscribed recently on this list. I have one question. Why are you talking >only about English patient and Titanic? those movies are not so hot new. >Can someone tell me something about movie The game? It was entertaining. A very interesting concept. A bit much to believe, but fun to watch and figure out. What I understood about the list was that it was a "movie" list. Any movie can be discussed. Even BIRTH OF A NATION (made in 1915) if that's what I wanted to talk about. Isn't that right? ~~~~~ Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom) Jefferson, LA http://www.geocities.com/~dchristy10/ mailto:dchristy10@earthlink.net mailto:DChristy1@aol.com on AOL Instant Messenger on PeopleLink http://www.peoplelink/v1/ ICQ #12904700 ~~~~~ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" Subject: RE: [MV] Question Date: 27 May 1998 13:24:21 -0600 On Wednesday, May 27, 1998 1:18 PM, Diane Christy [SMTP:dchristy10@earthlink.net] wrote: > What I understood about the list was that it was a "movie" list. Any movie > can be discussed. Even BIRTH OF A NATION (made in 1915) if that's what I > wanted to talk about. Isn't that right? Bingo! [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Culligan" Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient Date: 27 May 1998 13:01:24 PDT The movie UNFORGIVEN seemed to be a controversial choice for best picture from the very beginning. I absolutly loved it the first time I saw it and I still do. Who knows Westerns better then Clint Eastwood and who better to do a re-write of the traditional western then (a great director, IMHO) Clint Eastwood. The scene were the dying cowboy that Clint has just shot is begging his friends to bring him water was masterful. Not just the typical bang-shoot-your dead western violence, but a realistic look at what happens when you shoot someone. The message (and one that I think should be stressed in more of todays movies) is that killing is not pretty, or glamourous, and it doesn't make a hero out of the killer, no matter what the reason for the killing. It also had one of the best lines in all of movie history when the young killer-for-hire wanaby says of the cowboys that Clints character has just killed, "They had it comming", and Clint replys, "We all got it comming, son". Also, notice the blurred lines between the Good and Bad guys in this western, also a huge departure from the traditional western. Many critics changed thier minds on Unforgiven upon watching it a second time. I believe it deserved best picture and all the rest of the praise it was given and then some! Just a differing opinion (I have to stick up for one of my personal favorite movies!) > >UNFORGIVEN has got to be up there also as one of the most boring and overly >praised films of the decade. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARY ZEIG Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient Date: 27 May 1998 16:40:14 -0400 >I must admit that I watched Trainspotting three times in four days. I was >captivated by the whole movie. It has certainly become a cult classic. >Did it deserve the praise and awards that it received? It really depends >on the viewer. It was not a movie that transcended all age groups. I am a >23 year-old open-minded male. My friend (of the same age) who is used to >the Starship Troopers and Face Off (Both movies I liked as well) hated it. > >You get the same feelings from Trainspotting as you do from The Fifth >Element. The plot and the character builds are weak... but you are so >fascinated by everything else in the movie... none of that really matters. > >On that note.... what did everyone think of The Fifth Element. > >Tom O'Neil > >I for one loved it, but only because Milla Jovovich as LeeLoo was super. As I said before, I felt she gave one of the best acting performances of the year. I thought the rest of the movie was fairly mediocre. Although the special effects and the soundtrack were good as well. But that's just my opinion. Gary > > > > > > > >Please respond to movies@lists.xmission.com > >To: movies@lists.xmission.com >cc: (bcc: Tom J. O'Neil/Madison/CMG) >Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient > > > > >I disagree with you on this one. I thought Unforgiven and The English >Patient were extremely well done and well deserving of their Oscar praise. >One of the most overpraised movies I have seen has got to be Trainspotting. >I heard nothing but positive reviews from the critics about this movie, but >after watching it I can honestly say I think it is one of the worst movies >of the decade. > ] > > > > > > > > > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom J. O'Neil" Subject: Re: [MV] Question Date: 27 May 1998 17:55:57 -0500 To be perfectly honest. I cannot tell you much about The Game with Michael Douglas. All I can say is that is was a great movie. Anything (Plot, Characters,...) I say about the movie would give parts of it away. It is a movie you can only watch once but it is worth it. I would recommend this movie to anyone. There aren't many movies where I walk out sweating. branimir.piskor@zd.tel.hr 05/27/98 01:46 PM Please respond to movies@lists.xmission.com cc: (bcc: Tom J. O'Neil/Madison/CMG) Hi guys I subscribed recently on this list. I have one question. Why are you talking only about English patient and Titanic? those movies are not so hot new. Can someone tell me something about movie The game? Branimir Piskor branimir.piskor@zd.tel.hr [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "greuel" Subject: Re: [MV] Question Date: 27 May 1998 21:59:58 cet > Hi guys > I subscribed recently on this list. I have one question. Why are you talking > only about English patient and Titanic? those movies are not so hot new. > Can someone tell me something about movie The game? You mean there have been other films than Titanic and English Patient? The Game. I thought it was a pretty good one, a bit predictable in its inpredictability and yes, a bit hard to believe at times but that's nothing unusual for Hwood. It was fast and gripping and you have to be quick to keep up with the plot. It's a interesting deal with the devil plot, so definetely worth watching And now back to Titanic. thomas http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/8911/ - abomiNation [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tonya!!! =)" Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient -Reply Date: 27 May 1998 18:50:35 -0500 I really liked your message, Diane. Finally someone that says something that isn't totally one-sided! -Tonya [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard J. Doyle" Subject: RE: [MV] Leo Dicaprio Date: 27 May 1998 18:59:31 -0500 While I am a fan of almost all of Van Sant's work, I must say "Even Cowgirls Get the Blues". This was his last book adaptation. My hatred of this movie knows no bounds. Richard J. Doyle Access & Visual Basic Developer CRW Systems rdoyle29@msn.com ICQ# 9867240 Something for nothing. It can all be yours. Everything you know IS true. "Bob" is the proof. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Diane Christy Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 11:28 AM On 5/26/98, 9:49 PM -0500, GARY ZEIG said so nicely: >Word is, Leo will earn 21 million to play a rapist/serial killer in his >next movie "American Psycho." While this may be a great movie, I think this >move is career suicide for him. This movie undoubtedly will show he is a >great actor, however, it will tarnish his teen idol image beyond repair. >And let's face it: Leo's biggest fans are teen girls. >So it's gonna be real interesting to see how the public reacts to this >film, and whether Leo's popularity increases or wanes. The movie's got a great director though (if I'm not mistaken). Gus Van Sant is wonderful. I think DiCaprio could stand to be away from the teenage girls for a while. I think his best performance (which no teenage girl would fawn over) was Arnie is WHAT'S EATING GILBERT GRAPE?. I also think he should have gotten the Academy Award for this role. I think he is really gifted. Please, please, get him away from the teenage roles and let him be an actor!! I'm not saying that AMERICAN PSYCHO will do this for him, but with Van Sant as the director, I'm looking foward to seeing this film! ~~~~~ Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom) Jefferson, LA http://www.geocities.com/~dchristy10/ mailto:dchristy10@earthlink.net mailto:DChristy1@aol.com on AOL Instant Messenger on PeopleLink http://www.peoplelink/v1/ ICQ #12904700 ~~~~~ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tonya!!! =)" Subject: Re: [MV] Titanic Date: 27 May 1998 19:11:26 -0500 Although I believe you have a right to your own opinion, I disagree with you completely! Titanic was clearly NOT a "made for McDonalds" movie. You can tell that simply by how much money it has made. Leonardo DiCaprio was absolutely brilliant in this film. He delivered an excellent performance. He presented comedy, romance, and drama. I think he should have gotten an Oscar nomination, and he should have won it. Kate Wilslet did a good job too, but she didn't have to do some of the emotional thrusts that Leo had too. I'm not saying that she was un-emotional in the movie, because she was, but hey she survived the 'unsinkable ship'. This was a "true romance", in the sense that Jack (Leo) made life-threatening sacrifices. So did Rose (Kate) ,like the part where she jumps back on the ship. That showed true love. Titanic had its faults, but those faults were very few. I think it is one of the best movies ever made! -Tonya If you want a really romantic film, check out Romeo & Juliet (the newer version). The words are beautiful by themselves! Although this movie didn't get appraised as much as other romantic films, it certainly is a solid and timeless story line with TRUE and ABSOLUTE love. ---------- > From: Tom J. O'Neil > To: movies@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [MV] Titanic > Date: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 8:00 PM > > > > > Am I the only person who did not like Titanic? I could not stand watching > the acting of the "Brad Pitt wanna-be" and the young "Gillian Anderson" > during the suicide sequence. "If you jump, I jump because I'm involved > now." Leonardo was not convincing during that part (a key sequence in the > movie) and he never convinced me of being anything other than a rich brat. > He even seemed more prissy than Kate. I guess when I look for a romantic > flick... I either look for sappy (True Romance) or drama (English Patient) > not a made for McDonalds movie. > > Of course... who am I to shoot down a kazillion dollar film. > > Thomas O'Neil > tom.oneil@cunamutual.com > > > > > gene@ehrich.com > 05/25/98 07:22 AM > > > > > Please respond to movies@lists.xmission.com > > To: movies@lists.xmission.com > cc: (bcc: Tom J. O'Neil/Madison/CMG) > Subject: [MV] Titanic > > > > > >> L.A. Confidential was the best of last year. > > > >I know I'll get a lot of responses for this: but how about Titanic? > Loved Titanic, thought it was a great movie but LA Confidential was > better. > Both were great, just one better. > Gene > ------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.voicenet.com/~generic > gene@ehrich.com > Gene Ehrich P.O. Box 209 Marlton NJ 08053-0209 > ------------------------------------------------------ > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > > > > > > > > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tonya!!! =)" Subject: Re: [MV] Question Date: 27 May 1998 19:16:19 -0500 The Game is a really good movie. I rented it with a friend and we both loved it. I only watched it once, because it was so 'roller coaster-ish'. It isn't a film where you can watch it again right after you've watched it for the first time. It really is a fast movie, it takes your breathe away. It is a little hard to believe, but interesting in the sense that you can think that what happends MIGHT or COULD happen in real life. I give this movie 4 stars (out of 4)! -Tonya [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: grasshopper Subject: Re: [MV] the new "Godzilla" -Reply Date: 27 May 1998 18:32:41 -0700 (PDT) one comment I want to make about Godzilla as a character: it seemed to me that he/she/it was shown as an animal- neither good nor bad, but an animal that just happened to be too large for the human race to deal with. X X XXXX X X X X XXXX XXX XXXX XXXX XXXX XXXXX XXXXX X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X XX XXXX X X X X XX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXX X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X XXXX XXXX XXXX X XXXX X X X X X X XXXX X X On Tue, 26 May 1998, Bruce Bridges wrote: > I have a feeling that Godzilla is going to have a lot of wildly > varying opinions. Let me just say that I think that it is one of the > worst movies I have ever seen. > > I'm not using hyperbole to make a point but honestly felt that it was > a godawful, crummy and pointless movie. As someone mentioned earlier, > Godzilla had no personality. Were we supposed to root for Godzilla or > sypathize with it? You couldn't tell from the film. > > I have to say that I have not enjoyed a single Emerich directed film > yet (why do I keep going? Even I don't know.) but Godzilla is by > far his worst yet. And who is that woman who evidently has not > completed her intro to acting classes? There are so many things to > complain about but the bottom line is that it was void of camp or > humor but at the same time did not make any effort to follow any > logic. If you want to make an intense monster movie you can't have > characters making idiotic oneliners while being eaten by the lizard. > I have a feeling that this film was put into production before a > script was ready and they simply pieced it together as they went > along. Thier reasoning was probably that this is an event movie and > it didn't really matter as long as Godzilla looked good. And you > know what? They failed on that as well! Even the design of Godzilla > was a huge mistake. It looked like a lizard crossed with one of the > Alien monsters. I was going to list a series of logical points but I > don't have the energy in these tired old fingers. > > The weekend boxoffice is about half of what Sony was hoping for. > Sure they will put on a good face but I think this movie is going to > tank ultimately. OK when I say tank I mean in the case of such a > blockbuster I think it will be lucky to break $200 million. 6 months > ago people had reason to believe that it would be second only to > Titantic. > > What was the point of even using the name except to cash in on the > existing franchise? If there is a sequel they should just give $100 > million to TOHO and allow them to make a big budget version of the > campy and lovable Godzilla that has succeeded for so many years. > > BTW, I wasn't impressed by ANYTHING in the film. I've seen F/X that > are far more impressive already. The bar has been raised and these > guys didn't reach it. > > This weekend I also saw what I thought was a great film. "The > Opposite of Sex" stars a growing Christina Ricci as one of the most > dispicable lead characters I've ever seen in a film and is absolutely > hilarious. It is a very black comedy and gets its humor from a lot of > touchy subjects but it is ultimately quite intelligent and will > probably appeal to those she attacks the most. Its playing at the art > houses here so I don't know how available it will be elsewhere but > make sure you catch it on video. > > bye, > bb > > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Diane Christy Subject: RE: [MV] Leo Dicaprio Date: 27 May 1998 23:02:21 -0500 On 5/27/98, 6:59 PM -0500, Richard J. Doyle said so nicely: >While I am a fan of almost all of Van Sant's work, I must say "Even Cowgirls >Get the Blues". This was his last book adaptation. My hatred of this movie >knows no bounds. I must say that I think I was mistaken. I had heard that they were making a re-make of PSYCHO. I thought AMERICAN PSYCHO was the re-make. I know that Van Sant is directing the re-make of PSYCHO. My husband told me tonight that AMERICAN PSYCHO is not the same thing. He said it's based on a novel written in 1991. In that case, I don't know who is directing or anything else about the film. ~~~~~ Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom) Jefferson, LA http://www.geocities.com/~dchristy10/ mailto:dchristy10@earthlink.net mailto:DChristy1@aol.com on AOL Instant Messenger on PeopleLink http://www.peoplelink/v1/ ICQ #12904700 ~~~~~ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Diane Christy Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient -Reply Date: 27 May 1998 22:59:57 -0500 On 5/27/98, 6:50 PM -0500, Tonya!!! =) said so nicely: >I really liked your message, Diane. Finally someone that says something >that isn't totally one-sided! Thanks. Your message made me laugh. Probably because I know EXACTLY what you're talking about. It just seems to be in our culture that if one thing is right, the other is totally wrong and I think that's a mistake. Just an observation! ~~~~~ Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom) Jefferson, LA http://www.geocities.com/~dchristy10/ mailto:dchristy10@earthlink.net mailto:DChristy1@aol.com on AOL Instant Messenger on PeopleLink http://www.peoplelink/v1/ ICQ #12904700 ~~~~~ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mel Eperthener Subject: [MV] The Fifth Element Date: 28 May 1998 01:35:37 -0400 At 07.19 AM 27/05/98 -0500, Tom J. O'Neil wrote: >On that note.... what did everyone think of The Fifth Element. > Fascinating. I thought it was one of the best movies to be made, that did not win any awards. (Another recent one was Cop Land). Then again, I am a huge Luc Besson fan. I could watch La Femme Nikita anytime. (and because of this, cannot stand Point of No Return). The Professional (released outside of North America as Leon) was another classic. Good question for the list. What do you think about Hollywood ripping off other countries movies?? (You can tell my thoughts by the way that I worded that. Don't let that colour your opinion. I'd like to see someone that can defend this practice)> I mean, To Wong Foo was such a blatent rip-off of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. Waterworld was almost scene for scene The Road Warrior. (Replace sand for water, and you have the kid, the fort, the plane, the fight for fuel, just about everything). Those are my Big Three, although I have come across others. Any comments?? Regards, --Mel --Mel Eperthener president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty email: bcassidy@usaor.net gowanna@australiamail.com http://www.webz.com/gowanna 419 Butler Street PO Box 95184 Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184 (412) 781-6140 (412) 781-6380 1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE ____________________________________________ That was a wicked googly! --Jerry Seinfeld, AMEX commercial ______________________________________________ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom J. O'Neil" Subject: Re: [MV] Question Date: 28 May 1998 07:18:41 -0500 The Game with Michael Douglas was one of the best movies I have watched in a long time. Unfortunately, the plot is so mysterious and intense that if I told you anything about it... I might give something away. But believe me... I walked out of that movie with a sweat. Tom O'Neil branimir.piskor@zd.tel.hr 05/27/98 01:46 PM Please respond to movies@lists.xmission.com cc: (bcc: Tom J. O'Neil/Madison/CMG) Hi guys I subscribed recently on this list. I have one question. Why are you talking only about English patient and Titanic? those movies are not so hot new. Can someone tell me something about movie The game? Branimir Piskor branimir.piskor@zd.tel.hr [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Cormier Subject: [MV] Bulworth review Date: 27 May 1998 20:19:29 -0700 Not too bad of a movie actually. Kinda slow in the middle but was fairly entertaining and also slightly thought provoking. Basically a senator wants himself dead by the end of the weekend so he has hired himself a hitman to do the job - he just doesn't know when. This weekend also happens to be the election weekend and he is always on the go to different functions and events. With his new found dislike for life - he tires of the speeches and starts telling it like it is - which is offensive at first - but then people begin to understand the truths that he speaks. I enjoyed it - but there were a lot of racial stereotypes in it - but that was something of the point that they were going for...I geuss I'd give 'er a 72%. See it if you like politics or Warren Beatty (I geuss!) [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Cormier Subject: [MV] The Real Blonde review Date: 27 May 1998 20:24:29 -0700 From the director of Living in Oblivion (hilarious movie -see it if you can!) comes this movie about a few things really - the trials and tribulations of an out of work actor, of a successful model, of a soap star, of a woman with too much hostility towards men and of course of a woman and her love for her dog (it'll make sense later). This is a oddly wierd movie - thoughout it it feels like you are watching any normal movie - but then something wierd will happen - which will probably make you laugh - and that makes this movie just that much better. Some good cameos in this one - Steve Buscemi, Kathleen Turner, Denis Leary, Elizabeth Berkley(!), Christopher Lloyd. I would give this comic gem an 84%. See it if it's playing near you. [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard J. Doyle" Subject: RE: [MV] Leo Dicaprio Date: 28 May 1998 07:46:15 -0500 Yep, "American Psycho" is a book by Brett Easton Ellison, the author of "Less Than Zero". Richard J. Doyle Access & Visual Basic Developer CRW Systems rdoyle29@msn.com ICQ# 9867240 Something for nothing. It can all be yours. Everything you know IS true. "Bob" is the proof. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Diane Christy Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 11:02 PM On 5/27/98, 6:59 PM -0500, Richard J. Doyle said so nicely: >While I am a fan of almost all of Van Sant's work, I must say "Even Cowgirls >Get the Blues". This was his last book adaptation. My hatred of this movie >knows no bounds. I must say that I think I was mistaken. I had heard that they were making a re-make of PSYCHO. I thought AMERICAN PSYCHO was the re-make. I know that Van Sant is directing the re-make of PSYCHO. My husband told me tonight that AMERICAN PSYCHO is not the same thing. He said it's based on a novel written in 1991. In that case, I don't know who is directing or anything else about the film. ~~~~~ Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom) Jefferson, LA http://www.geocities.com/~dchristy10/ mailto:dchristy10@earthlink.net mailto:DChristy1@aol.com on AOL Instant Messenger on PeopleLink http://www.peoplelink/v1/ ICQ #12904700 ~~~~~ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard J. Doyle" Subject: RE: [MV] The Fifth Element Date: 28 May 1998 07:53:26 -0500 That new Nicholas Cage movie is a rip-off of Wim Wenders' "Wings of Desire". There are numerous re-makes of French comedies: "Cousins" (Cousin, Cousine), "The Birdcage" (La Cage Aux Folles), "Three Men and a Baby" (Three Men and a Cradle), and many more. More interestingly, "Reservoir Dogs" borrows its premise and many of its scenes from Ringo Lam's Hong Kong action film "City on Fire". Richard J. Doyle Access & Visual Basic Developer CRW Systems rdoyle29@msn.com ICQ# 9867240 Something for nothing. It can all be yours. Everything you know IS true. "Bob" is the proof. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Mel Eperthener Sent: Thursday, May 28, 1998 12:36 AM At 07.19 AM 27/05/98 -0500, Tom J. O'Neil wrote: >On that note.... what did everyone think of The Fifth Element. > Fascinating. I thought it was one of the best movies to be made, that did not win any awards. (Another recent one was Cop Land). Then again, I am a huge Luc Besson fan. I could watch La Femme Nikita anytime. (and because of this, cannot stand Point of No Return). The Professional (released outside of North America as Leon) was another classic. Good question for the list. What do you think about Hollywood ripping off other countries movies?? (You can tell my thoughts by the way that I worded that. Don't let that colour your opinion. I'd like to see someone that can defend this practice)> I mean, To Wong Foo was such a blatent rip-off of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. Waterworld was almost scene for scene The Road Warrior. (Replace sand for water, and you have the kid, the fort, the plane, the fight for fuel, just about everything). Those are my Big Three, although I have come across others. Any comments?? Regards, --Mel --Mel Eperthener president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty email: bcassidy@usaor.net gowanna@australiamail.com http://www.webz.com/gowanna 419 Butler Street PO Box 95184 Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184 (412) 781-6140 (412) 781-6380 1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE ____________________________________________ That was a wicked googly! --Jerry Seinfeld, AMEX commercial ______________________________________________ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom J. O'Neil" Subject: RE: [MV] The Fifth Element Date: 28 May 1998 08:12:28 -0500 Chris Elliot's Cabin Boy reminds me of a foreign film... I just can't remember which one. rdoyle29@msn.com 05/28/98 07:53 AM Please respond to movies@lists.xmission.com cc: (bcc: Tom J. O'Neil/Madison/CMG) That new Nicholas Cage movie is a rip-off of Wim Wenders' "Wings of Desire". There are numerous re-makes of French comedies: "Cousins" (Cousin, Cousine), "The Birdcage" (La Cage Aux Folles), "Three Men and a Baby" (Three Men and a Cradle), and many more. More interestingly, "Reservoir Dogs" borrows its premise and many of its scenes from Ringo Lam's Hong Kong action film "City on Fire". Richard J. Doyle Access & Visual Basic Developer CRW Systems rdoyle29@msn.com ICQ# 9867240 Something for nothing. It can all be yours. Everything you know IS true. "Bob" is the proof. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Mel Eperthener Sent: Thursday, May 28, 1998 12:36 AM At 07.19 AM 27/05/98 -0500, Tom J. O'Neil wrote: >On that note.... what did everyone think of The Fifth Element. > Fascinating. I thought it was one of the best movies to be made, that did not win any awards. (Another recent one was Cop Land). Then again, I am a huge Luc Besson fan. I could watch La Femme Nikita anytime. (and because of this, cannot stand Point of No Return). The Professional (released outside of North America as Leon) was another classic. Good question for the list. What do you think about Hollywood ripping off other countries movies?? (You can tell my thoughts by the way that I worded that. Don't let that colour your opinion. I'd like to see someone that can defend this practice)> I mean, To Wong Foo was such a blatent rip-off of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. Waterworld was almost scene for scene The Road Warrior. (Replace sand for water, and you have the kid, the fort, the plane, the fight for fuel, just about everything). Those are my Big Three, although I have come across others. Any comments?? Regards, --Mel --Mel Eperthener president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty email: bcassidy@usaor.net gowanna@australiamail.com http://www.webz.com/gowanna 419 Butler Street PO Box 95184 Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184 (412) 781-6140 (412) 781-6380 1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE ____________________________________________ That was a wicked googly! --Jerry Seinfeld, AMEX commercial ______________________________________________ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARY ZEIG Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient -Reply Date: 28 May 1998 09:32:51 -0400 >On 5/27/98, 6:50 PM -0500, Tonya!!! =) said so nicely: >>I really liked your message, Diane. Finally someone that says something >>that isn't totally one-sided! > >Thanks. Your message made me laugh. Probably because I know EXACTLY what >you're talking about. It just seems to be in our culture that if one thing >is right, the other is totally wrong and I think that's a mistake. Just an >observation! >~~~~~ >Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom) >Jefferson, LA >http://www.geocities.com/~dchristy10/ >mailto:dchristy10@earthlink.net mailto:DChristy1@aol.com > on AOL Instant Messenger > on PeopleLink http://www.peoplelink/v1/ >ICQ #12904700 >~~~~~ > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] If you the two of you are referring to my comments, I must say that I disagree VEHEMENTLY with both of you. I feel what I said will come to be. If Leo takes this role, it will do a lot of damage to his image.Maybe not ruin it completely, but some parents will be upset about it. In Hollywood alienating people is never a good way to further your career.One thing's for sure: It certainly won't better his image. If you noticed, I said it may be a great movie and may show that he's a great actor, but there is NO WAY you will ever convince me that after playing a homicidal maniac who rapes and mutilates women that he could go back to his teen idol image. This means that from this point on certain roles will be off-limits to him. I think HE knows this is the case.It is a courageous decision he is making. He is not going to pick up 5-10 million paydays off his 'cute' image. He is going to go for it. But there is certainly an element of risk involved with this. Ultimately, I think the quality of movies he chooses will reflect his popularity. But it's interesting to note that while yes he was great in Gilbert Grape, he's not really remembered by the General Public for that. And it is the General Public who makes or breaks a movie or a star. Titanic made Leo a star, and now I'm beginning to wonder if he has already done the role he will most be remembered for. Personally, I like Matt Damon's FUTURE better. I know it doesn't have to be one way or the other, but remember this: Matt Damon CREATED Good Will Hunting. Leo just acted in Titanic. Gary [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARY ZEIG Subject: RE: [MV] Leo Dicaprio Date: 28 May 1998 09:55:22 -0400 >On 5/27/98, 6:59 PM -0500, Richard J. Doyle said so nicely: >>While I am a fan of almost all of Van Sant's work, I must say "Even Cowgirls >>Get the Blues". This was his last book adaptation. My hatred of this movie >>knows no bounds. > >I must say that I think I was mistaken. I had heard that they were making >a re-make of PSYCHO. I thought AMERICAN PSYCHO was the re-make. I know >that Van Sant is directing the re-make of PSYCHO. My husband told me >tonight that AMERICAN PSYCHO is not the same thing. He said it's based on >a novel written in 1991. In that case, I don't know who is directing or >anything else about the film. >~~~~~ >Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom) >Jefferson, LA >http://www.geocities.com/~dchristy10/ >mailto:dchristy10@earthlink.net mailto:DChristy1@aol.com > on AOL Instant Messenger > on PeopleLink http://www.peoplelink/v1/ >ICQ #12904700 >~~~~~ > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] Now I think I understand where you were coming from! No this is not PSYCHO we're talking about. A movie like PSYCHO probably would not damage Leo's career. American Psycho is probably the most graphic/ most violent movie Hollywood could make. The killer is absolutely insane with rage. He has no remorse and there is blood everywhere. Just think an American version of Jack the Ripper. Maybe now you understand why I'm taking such a strong stand on this issue. It's hard to criticize someone who's getting 21 million to act. But then again, maybe Leo wants people to think of him as a serious actor, not a teen idol. Maybe he doesn't want the pressure of being a teen idol any more. All I really was trying to say was that people won't think of him in the same way after this movie. How that will affect his career is anybody's guess. Gary [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Culligan" Subject: Re: [MV] The Fifth Element Date: 28 May 1998 07:54:08 PDT I don't think it's simply Hollywood ripping off foriegn movies. I think Hollywood will rip off any movie with a tried and true formula. They don't want to risk a big investment on something that may-or-may not work. That's just business (Godzilla, for instance). And, from Hollywoods stand-point, it makes sense. People are going to see Godzilla, even though it's a rehash of Jurrasic Park. It's the producers and writers who make a movie. And they have a bad habit of loosing thier integrity due to the big carrots Hollywood dangles in front of thier noses. It's hard to blame them for this, either, IMO. Still, thier will always be those who will make the, occasional, original, and brilliant, film. And we, as the movie going audience, should seek these movies out and go see them as a reward to the artists integrity and to send a message to Hollywood. Ah, high ideals indeed! Will it ever happen?? >From owner-movies@lists.xmission.com Wed May 27 22:49:08 1998 >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yevXx-0007fc-00; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:48:13 -0600 >Received: from (gate.usaor.net) [204.157.146.1] (root) > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yevXv-0007fU-00; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:48:11 -0600 >Received: from dap01-132109.pgh.sgi.net (dap01-132109.pgh.sgi.net [209.166.132.109]) > by gate.usaor.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA17031 > for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 01:48:09 -0400 (EDT) >Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980528013537.34c7dddc@pop.usaor.net> >X-Sender: bcassidy@pop.usaor.net >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (16) >Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 01:35:37 -0400 >To: movies@lists.xmission.com >From: Mel Eperthener >Subject: [MV] The Fifth Element >In-Reply-To: <86256611.0042A89B.00@CUNAMutual.com> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Sender: owner-movies@lists.xmission.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: movies@lists.xmission.com > >At 07.19 AM 27/05/98 -0500, Tom J. O'Neil wrote: >>On that note.... what did everyone think of The Fifth Element. >> > >Fascinating. I thought it was one of the best movies to be made, that did >not win any awards. (Another recent one was Cop Land). > >Then again, I am a huge Luc Besson fan. I could watch La Femme Nikita >anytime. (and because of this, cannot stand Point of No Return). The >Professional (released outside of North America as Leon) was another classic. > >Good question for the list. What do you think about Hollywood ripping off >other countries movies?? (You can tell my thoughts by the way that I >worded that. Don't let that colour your opinion. I'd like to see someone >that can defend this practice)> I mean, To Wong Foo was such a blatent >rip-off of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. Waterworld was almost scene for >scene The Road Warrior. (Replace sand for water, and you have the kid, the >fort, the plane, the fight for fuel, just about everything). Those are my >Big Three, although I have come across others. > >Any comments?? > >Regards, > >--Mel > > >--Mel Eperthener >president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty > >email: bcassidy@usaor.net > gowanna@australiamail.com > >http://www.webz.com/gowanna > >419 Butler Street >PO Box 95184 >Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184 >(412) 781-6140 >(412) 781-6380 >1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE >____________________________________________ >That was a wicked googly! > --Jerry Seinfeld, AMEX commercial >______________________________________________ > > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARY ZEIG Subject: Re: [MV] The Fifth Element Date: 28 May 1998 10:02:55 -0400 >At 07.19 AM 27/05/98 -0500, Tom J. O'Neil wrote: >>On that note.... what did everyone think of The Fifth Element. >> > >Fascinating. I thought it was one of the best movies to be made, that did >not win any awards. (Another recent one was Cop Land). > >Then again, I am a huge Luc Besson fan. I could watch La Femme Nikita >anytime. (and because of this, cannot stand Point of No Return). The >Professional (released outside of North America as Leon) was another classic. > >Good question for the list. What do you think about Hollywood ripping off >other countries movies?? (You can tell my thoughts by the way that I >worded that. Don't let that colour your opinion. I'd like to see someone >that can defend this practice)> I mean, To Wong Foo was such a blatent >rip-off of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. Waterworld was almost scene for >scene The Road Warrior. (Replace sand for water, and you have the kid, the >fort, the plane, the fight for fuel, just about everything). Those are my >Big Three, although I have come across others. > >Any comments?? > >Regards, > >--Mel > > >--Mel Eperthener >president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty > >email: bcassidy@usaor.net > gowanna@australiamail.com > >http://www.webz.com/gowanna > >419 Butler Street >PO Box 95184 >Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184 >(412) 781-6140 >(412) 781-6380 >1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE >____________________________________________ >That was a wicked googly! > --Jerry Seinfeld, AMEX commercial >______________________________________________ > > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] Mel- I think ripping off other country's movies is to be expected. Hollywood only cares about one thing, profit margin. If someone has a good idea, it will be exploited, for sure. Especially if it sells. Look at all the blatant Star Wars rip offs out there. La Femme Nikita happens to be not only one of my favorite movies but also one of my favorite tv shows. Yes I know the tv show is different from the movie, but the tv show goes on and on as a serial, so it has to be. I love Peta Wilson as Nikita. I think it's probably most underrated show on tv. And I think she has a big future in movies. Gary [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Bridges Subject: Re: [MV] the new "Godzilla" -Reply -Reply Date: 28 May 1998 08:42:26 -0700 Grasshopper (KG? what does that stand for?) wrote: I think that may be a valid point if you want to make a movie simply about an oversized animal, but Godzilla is a movie icon that does have character and that is its appeal. I think a good comparison would be the Frankenstein monster. He is not simply a mindless evil creature but instead a confused and misunderstood innocent thrown into a world which he can never belong. That is the appeal of this particular character and what separates him from all of the rest. Concerning Hollywood remakes of films from other countries (did anybody notice my sensitivity by not using the word "foreign"?). I cannot think of a successful one off the top of my head except for Magnificent Seven, Three Men and a Baby and Reservour Dogs (Which was a huge improvement over the original Chinese flick although I still think Taratino should have fessed up to his ripping it off and given credit where due). I'm sure there are several more. But I don't think this is something unique to Hollywood. I've sat through ripoffs of american films as well. I think a lot of times movies are remade because the American distributors can reach a wider worldwide audience. The one I am most concerned about is the Disney remake of "Shall We Dance." I think they can only ruin a beautiful and great film that will lose everything that made it so if it is taken out of the Japanese context and setting. I loved La Femme but hated, hated, hated the Professional. Not only did I think it bad but thought it treaded dangerously close to pedophilia. I know others did not see that but I thought the relationship between the grown man and little girl was just too weird. The Fifth Element was a lot of fun and I thought that it was unfairly overlooked. In reference to Diane and Tonya's comments about opinions, I think that we've all admitted that we all have strong ones and will respectively disagree occasionally (or often). If I come across as bombastic or full of myself just please accept this blanket apology now for all future transgressions. I truly think that everybody's opinion is equally valid and that we all bring our own baggage and background to the interpretation of each film(although mine seem to be more valid than the rest of you. Hahahahahahhahaha.) bb [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Garrett Winters Subject: Re: [MV] Question Date: 28 May 1998 18:06:15 +0100 Tom J O'Neil writes >To be perfectly honest. I cannot tell you much about The Game with Michael >Douglas. All I can say is that is was a great movie. Anything (Plot, >Characters,...) I say about the movie would give parts of it away. It is a >movie you can only watch once but it is worth it. I would recommend this >movie to anyone. There aren't many movies where I walk out sweating. > I'd back you up on all that, I saw it last week and for the first time in a long time I was completely flummoxed by the ending. Like you say it is hard to say much without giving away the story but it is a worthy update to a story that has been around in one form or another for a long time. Garrett [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Garrett Winters Subject: RE: [MV] The Fifth Element Date: 28 May 1998 19:42:47 +0100 Richard J Doyle writes >That new Nicholas Cage movie is a rip-off of Wim Wenders' "Wings of Desire". > >There are numerous re-makes of French comedies: "Cousins" (Cousin, >Cousine), "The Birdcage" (La Cage Aux Folles), "Three Men and a Baby" (Three >Men and a Cradle), and many more. > >More interestingly, "Reservoir Dogs" borrows its premise and many of its >scenes from Ringo Lam's Hong Kong action film "City on Fire". I think I would be hesitant in calling them rip offs, as someone who has enjoyed reading for longer than I've been interested in movies I'm well aware of the old truism that there are only so many stories to be told and beyond that everything else is a retelling. I'm sure everyone is aware that far more books than movies have been produced over the past century and so it is more obvious that some tales are very similar, however now ppl are aware of the same thing happening in movies. Those films you mention above are good examples another one I don't recall seeing anyone mention is Antonio Banderas in "Desperado" which was a remake of an earlier film by the same director I believe. I saw the original the other night and despite a few similarities it played as a different movie, more gritty perhaps. I'm not saying it is anything new either but has been with us from the early beginnings of cinema. One could almost say that Shakespeare was heavily responsible for a lot of this as his work is the most oft repeated on Stage and Screen. Hollywood types around the world know that the same movie might not necessarily do the same in each market. Look at the overseas success of Waterworld compared to it's relative failure at home. So celebrated films from outside the US often appeal to non US film goers but needs reworking to succeed in the US itself. I've seen both City on Fire and Reservoir Dogs and it was almost completely different IMO, Tarantino took the nucleus of the story and told it more from the bad guys POV than in City of Fire's cop POV ( what I mean is in RD you don't realize he is a cop until midway through whereas in CoF we know all along). Then there is the movie we are discussing here The fifth element, it was based on a short silent film that ran about 10 minutes I think. that is the perfect description of the creative process, the short was the nucleus and the fifth element was a broad interpretation based upon it. So is it stealing or reworking, especially when you consider how many drafts some movies go through from start to finish. Who is ultimately the author of the screenplay when it goes through three writers and 5 rewrites including one by the director? They are after all only stories to be told and each director has his or her own touch. Garrett [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Diane Christy Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient -Reply Date: 28 May 1998 13:28:24 -0500 On 5/28/98, 8:32 AM -0500, GARY ZEIG said so nicely: >If you the two of you are referring to my comments, I must say that I >disagree VEHEMENTLY with both of you. >I feel what I said will come to be. Gary, I wasn't referring to you. I"ve only been on this list for a week or so, so I don't really know how opinions are voiced on this list. I was speaking from my life experience. Please accept my apology if you thought I was talking about you (or anyone else on this list). I think this list is great. No complaint here!! ~~~~~ Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom) Jefferson, LA http://www.geocities.com/~dchristy10/ mailto:dchristy10@earthlink.net mailto:DChristy1@aol.com on AOL Instant Messenger on PeopleLink http://www.peoplelink/v1/ ICQ #12904700 ~~~~~ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mel Eperthener Subject: Re: [MV] Question Date: 28 May 1998 14:09:25 -0400 At 07.18 AM 28/05/98 -0500, Tom J. O'Neil wrote: >The Game with Michael Douglas was one of the best movies I have watched in >a long time. Unfortunately, the plot is so mysterious and intense that if >I told you anything about it... I might give something away. But believe >me... I walked out of that movie with a sweat. I have to agree completey with this, as well. I usually am working on the computer (or doing ten other things) whilst watching movies. However, this was one of the few movies that got me to get up from my desk, sit down in the easy chair (although, as they say in those annoying truck pull ads, I only needed the edge:-), and actually WATCH a movie. And I am so glad that I did. What really got me is that, although I watched the movie so closely, I was not left with any profound feelings at the time. However, the next day, it hit me how tight this movie was. I cannot remember a scene that did not have more twists in it than an olympic diver. On a similar note, I watched The Man Who Knew Too Little just a few days later. Although not a very good movie (it seems that the comics that we grew up with are not making very good movies anymore), it was better than the reviews had led me to expect. I also noticed at least a passing resemblence to The Game. Was I the only one?? Regards, --Mel --Mel Eperthener president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty email: bcassidy@usaor.net gowanna@australiamail.com http://www.webz.com/gowanna 419 Butler Street PO Box 95184 Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184 (412) 781-6140 (412) 781-6380 1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE ____________________________________________ That was a wicked googly! --Jerry Seinfeld, AMEX commercial ______________________________________________ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Bridges Subject: Re: [MV] Phil Hartman-Leonardo Date: 28 May 1998 13:24:19 -0700 As you all probably know by now, Phil Hartman is dead. Evidently his wife shot him and then took her own life. The story is still coming out so some of the above could turn out to be wrong. I thought that Phil Hartman was one of the funniest guys alive. Most people know him from Saturday night live but he did his best work in the series "News Radio." Of course he also did many voice jobs such as many characters on "The Simpsons." His film career never completely took off but I believe he would have found his niche eventually and been an even bigger star. Of all the celebrities that have died recently I find his to be the most tragic. The even sadder thing is that evidently his children were home when this all happened. The inevitable TV tribute will be easily filled with so many funny clips. Also, evidently Leanardo Dicaprio is forcefully denying that he has signed for American Psycho. Evidently an offer was made but the production company (Lions Gate) prematurely announced his acceptance. A director is still not attached either. Variety ran two articles concerning this (yesterday and today) and there are some ugly details concerning the ousting of the original lead and director. There are also cries of foul in the independent film community. I wonder if Leo will walk away? Anyway, his people indicate that he is considering several offers at this time. bb [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" Subject: RE: [MV] Phil Hartman-Leonardo Date: 28 May 1998 14:33:08 -0600 Thanks, Bruce. I, for one, hadn't heard about Phil Hartman. He was the last real talent to appear on SNL and he will be sorely missed. Greg -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, May 28, 1998 2:24 PM As you all probably know by now, Phil Hartman is dead. Evidently his wife shot him and then took her own life. The story is still coming out so some of the above could turn out to be wrong. I thought that Phil Hartman was one of the funniest guys alive. Most people know him from Saturday night live but he did his best work in the series "News Radio." Of course he also did many voice jobs such as many characters on "The Simpsons." His film career never completely took off but I believe he would have found his niche eventually and been an even bigger star. Of all the celebrities that have died recently I find his to be the most tragic. The even sadder thing is that evidently his children were home when this all happened. The inevitable TV tribute will be easily filled with so many funny clips. Also, evidently Leanardo Dicaprio is forcefully denying that he has signed for American Psycho. Evidently an offer was made but the production company (Lions Gate) prematurely announced his acceptance. A director is still not attached either. Variety ran two articles concerning this (yesterday and today) and there are some ugly details concerning the ousting of the original lead and director. There are also cries of foul in the independent film community. I wonder if Leo will walk away? Anyway, his people indicate that he is considering several offers at this time. bb [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARY ZEIG Subject: Re: [MV] Phil Hartman-Leonardo Date: 28 May 1998 16:29:05 -0400 >As you all probably know by now, Phil Hartman is dead. Evidently his >wife shot him and then took her own life. The story is still coming >out so some of the above could turn out to be wrong. > >I thought that Phil Hartman was one of the funniest guys alive. Most >people know him from Saturday night live but he did his best work in >the series "News Radio." Of course he also did many voice jobs such >as many characters on "The Simpsons." His film career never >completely took off but I believe he would have found his niche >eventually and been an even bigger star. Of all the celebrities that >have died recently I find his to be the most tragic. The even sadder >thing is that evidently his children were home when this all >happened. The inevitable TV tribute will be easily filled with so >many funny clips. > >Also, evidently Leanardo Dicaprio is forcefully denying that he has >signed for American Psycho. Evidently an offer was made but the >production company (Lions Gate) prematurely announced his acceptance. > A director is still not attached either. Variety ran two articles >concerning this (yesterday and today) and there are some ugly details >concerning the ousting of the original lead and director. There are >also cries of foul in the independent film community. I wonder if >Leo will walk away? Anyway, his people indicate that he is >considering several offers at this time. > >bb > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] Bruce- If Leo backs out of this mess, he'll show me he is a lot smarter than I thought he was. He'd be much smarter to take 15 million for a remake of The Wizard of Oz. GRZ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mel Eperthener Subject: RE: [MV] The Fifth Element Date: 28 May 1998 16:51:15 -0400 At 07.42 PM 28/05/98 +0100, Garrett Winters wrote: >I think I would be hesitant in calling them rip offs, as someone who has >enjoyed reading for longer than I've been interested in movies I'm well >aware of the old truism that there are only so many stories to be told >and beyond that everything else is a retelling. Good point. On another (unrelated) list, we had a discussion last year about rip-offs, homages, satire, and all related subjects. I'd like to hear how some of the people here consider rip-offs. My main criterion is that the original must be a great piece of work, and the copy adds nothing to it. As with some of the examples mentioned earlier, Point of No Return was a remake of Nikika, with NO changes at all. Hollywood could just as easily dubbed the movie into English, and we would have had the same movie as we did with Point of No Return. In my opinion, this movie added nothing to the original. Same with Waterworld, to me. To Wong Foo took what was a great, original concept from Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. The problem here is that they WANT to be associated with Priscilla. I have never watched this movie, because the promos just screamed Priscilla to me. This may be a wonderful movie, but I have been turned off of it by the promos. Those >films you mention above are good examples another one I don't recall >seeing anyone mention is Antonio Banderas in "Desperado" which was a >remake of an earlier film by the same director I believe. I saw the >original the other night and despite a few similarities it played as a >different movie, more gritty perhaps. This is another good point. I have heard both that Desperado was a remake of El Mariachi AND that it was the sequel (with a third one planned). However, if it was a remake, I think a point in it's favour is that the creator of El Mariachi is the one that did Desperado. I have not seen El Mariachi yet, but have heard that it is much better. > >I'm not saying it is anything new either but has been with us from the >early beginnings of cinema. Well, as I started to say above, there are rip-offs, and then there are homages and satires. For example, Young Frankenstein was a satire of Frankenstein (and horror movies in general). Also, we have to decide where to draw the line. We can't say that EVERY horror movie is a rip-off of Frankenstein. Then let's not forget Mary Reilly. The movie itself was horrible. However, I like the idea a lot (the telling of the Jeckel and Hyde story from the maid's perspective). There is a fresh reworking of an old idea (another one is West Side Story, which was a remake of Romeo and Juliet). To my mind, the movies I call "rip-offs" are the ones that add nothing to the original concept. I've seen both >City on Fire and Reservoir Dogs and it was almost completely different >IMO, Tarantino took the nucleus of the story and told it more from the >bad guys POV than in City of Fire's cop POV ( what I mean is in RD you >don't realize he is a cop until midway through whereas in CoF we know all >along). I haven't seen City of Fire, so I cannot really say. However, I know that Reservoir Dogs was well-done. I would hope that something was added to the story. Another that comes to mind is Last Man Standing, which has an interesting history. It was originally a Japanese gangster movie (I cannot remember the name, but am sure that someone here will know:-) that was remade as a Clint Eastwood western. I hesitate to say that it was Fistful of Dollars (but if I am wrong, I am sure that someone will know the proper movie), then re-remade as Last Man Standing. Not a great movie, but I thought it stood on it's own, and again, had something original to say. > >Then there is the movie we are discussing here The fifth element, it was >based on a short silent film that ran about 10 minutes I think. that is >the perfect description of the creative process, the short was the >nucleus and the fifth element was a broad interpretation based upon it. Yes, I have heard that. And 12 Monkeys is based on the French short La Jette. I liked both movies, and thought that they took a great concept from a short, and expanded on it greatly. > >So is it stealing or reworking, especially when you consider how many >drafts some movies go through from start to finish. Who is ultimately the >author of the screenplay when it goes through three writers and 5 >rewrites including one by the director? They are after all only stories >to be told and each director has his or her own touch. Again, some good points. Perhaps this is in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps I hold some films in contempt because *I* am so enamoured with the originals. There may very well be people out there who have seen both versions of the films I have mentioned, and like the remakes better. There may be some that think that 12 Monkeys is complete crap, and did a great disservice to La Jette. Perhaps even, there are people that like both versions equally. Anyone out there have these opinions?? I would personally like to hear them, and the defence of your position, as well. Movies are a emotional medium. This is why some people passionately love one piece of work, and passionately hate something else. I even know people who actually liked Speed 2:-) I think that there have been some very good, passionate discussions here. Just some more ideas of what to discuss. Regards, --Mel --Mel Eperthener president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty email: bcassidy@usaor.net gowanna@australiamail.com http://www.webz.com/gowanna 419 Butler Street PO Box 95184 Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184 (412) 781-6140 (412) 781-6380 1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE ____________________________________________ That was a wicked googly! --Jerry Seinfeld, AMEX commercial ______________________________________________ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "greuel" Subject: [MV] cute leo ain't no psycho Date: 29 May 1998 00:11:08 cet Seems like there is no need to worry that Leo might start acting something other than a dying teenager in love. t. DICAPRIO NOT QUITE 'PSYCHO' Leonardo DiCaprio is distancing himself from reports that he will play a serial killer in a film based on Brett Easton Ellis' grisly 1991 novel "American Psycho," reports Variety. Leo's handlers went on the offensive Wednesday to correct what they termed the "misinformation" stemming from a widely hyped press release at the recent Cannes Film Festival that said their client would star in the controversial project for a reported $21 million. Leo's camp claims there have been "no negotiations between DiCaprio's representatives and [the producing company] regarding financial and other terms for appearing in 'American Psycho.'" A statement added that Leo had simply "expressed interest" in the film, "as he has for several other scripts." http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/8911/ - abomiNation [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "NCC2000" Subject: Re: [MV] The Fifth Element Date: 28 May 1998 17:33:42 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BD8A5E.C218B540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm glad Copland was mentioned. I felt like this was one of the most underappreciated movies of last year. Starstudded cast and great performances all around, especially by Sylvester Stallone. A surprisingly great performance by Stallone. Arguably his best to date. ---------- > From: Mel Eperthener > To: movies@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [MV] The Fifth Element > Date: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 11:35 PM > > At 07.19 AM 27/05/98 -0500, Tom J. O'Neil wrote: > >On that note.... what did everyone think of The Fifth Element. > > > > Fascinating. I thought it was one of the best movies to be made, that did > not win any awards. (Another recent one was Cop Land). > ------=_NextPart_000_01BD8A5E.C218B540 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm glad Copland was mentioned. I felt = like this was one of the most underappreciated movies of last year. = Starstudded cast and great performances all around, especially by = Sylvester Stallone. A surprisingly great performance by Stallone. = Arguably his best to date.  

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> From: Mel = Eperthener <bcassidy@usaor.net>
> To: movies@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: [MV] The Fifth Element
> Date: = Wednesday, May 27, 1998 11:35 PM
>
> At 07.19 AM 27/05/98 = -0500, Tom J. O'Neil wrote:
> >On that note.... what did = everyone think of The Fifth Element.
> >
>
> = Fascinating.  I thought it was one of the best movies to be made, = that did
> not win any awards.  (Another recent one was Cop = Land).
>

------=_NextPart_000_01BD8A5E.C218B540-- [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C J" Subject: Re: [MV] The Fifth Element Date: 28 May 1998 18:22:49 -0700 The fifth Element was a great show. I love Bruce Willis so it is just an extra plus to see him in such an interesting roll. Courtney M. :*) >I'm glad Copland was mentioned. I felt like this was one of the most >underappreciated movies of last year. Starstudded cast and great >performances all around, especially by Sylvester Stallone. A surprisingly >great performance by Stallone. Arguably his best to date. > >---------- >> From: Mel Eperthener >> To: movies@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: [MV] The Fifth Element >> Date: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 11:35 PM >> >> At 07.19 AM 27/05/98 -0500, Tom J. O'Neil wrote: >> >On that note.... what did everyone think of The Fifth Element. >> > >> >> Fascinating. I thought it was one of the best movies to be made, that >did >> not win any awards. (Another recent one was Cop Land). >> > Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Diane Christy Subject: [MV] leo Date: 28 May 1998 21:54:22 -0500 just got this: *** DiCaprio denies deal done on 'Psycho' Teen heartthrob Leonardo DiCaprio is distancing himself from reports that he will play a serial killer in a film based on the grisly novel "American Psycho." His handlers Wednesday went on the offensive to correct the "misinformation" stemming from a widely hyped press release at the recent Cannes Film Festival that DiCaprio would star in the controversial project for a reported $21 million. According to that press release, issued by Canadian producer Lions Gate Films two weeks ago, DiCaprio had agreed to star in the film based on Bret Easton Ellis' 1991 book. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2554367307-9dc ~~~~~ Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom) Jefferson, LA http://www.geocities.com/~dchristy10/ mailto:dchristy10@earthlink.net mailto:DChristy1@aol.com on AOL Instant Messenger on PeopleLink http://www.peoplelink/v1/ ICQ #12904700 ~~~~~ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Diane Christy Subject: Re: [MV] The Fifth Element Date: 28 May 1998 21:58:32 -0500 --============_-1315711562==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On 5/28/98, 6:33 PM -0500, NCC2000 said so nicely: >I'm glad Copland was mentioned. I felt like this was one of the most >underappreciated movies of last year. Starstudded cast and great >performances all around, especially by Sylvester Stallone. A surprisingly >great performance by Stallone. Arguably his best to date. I agree. I was very surprised by this movie. I didn't really know what to expect when I rented it. I thought Stallone was marvelous and was disappointed that he didn't receive more praise for this role. I thought it was a wonderful film. ~~~~~ Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom) Jefferson, LA http://www.geocities.com/~dchristy10/ mailto:dchristy10@earthlink.net mailto:DChristy1@aol.com on AOL Instant Messenger on PeopleLink http://www.peoplelink/v1/ ICQ #12904700 ~~~~~ --============_-1315711562==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: [MV] The Fifth Element
On 5/28/98, 6:33 PM -0500, NCC2000 said so nicely:
I'm glad Copland was mentioned. I felt like this was one of the most underappreciated movies of last year. Starstudded cast and great performances all around, especially by Sylvester Stallone. A surprisingly great performance by Stallone. Arguably his best to date.  

I agree.  I was very surprised by this movie.  I didn't really know what to expect when I rented it.  I thought Stallone was marvelous and was disappointed that he didn't receive more praise for this role.  I thought it was a wonderful film.
~~~~~
Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom)
Jefferson, LA                                       
http://www.geocities.com/~dchristy10/
mailto:dchristy10@earthlink.net  mailto:DChristy1@aol.com
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~~~~~
--============_-1315711562==_ma============-- [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARY ZEIG Subject: [MV] The Absent Minded Professor vs. Flubber Date: 28 May 1998 23:21:34 -0400 Speaking of remakes/ derivations from earlier film which version of this story do you guys and girls prefer? And why? Gary [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mel Eperthener Subject: Re: [MV] The Absent Minded Professor vs. Flubber Date: 29 May 1998 00:42:26 -0400 At 11.21 PM 28/05/98 -0400, Gary wrote: >Speaking of remakes/ derivations from earlier film which version of this >story do you guys and girls prefer? >And why? Good point, Gary. I didn't even consider studio remakes. I think Disney is trying to update their movies for a new generation (Flubber, Nutty Professor, Dr Doolittle), which in some ways is good business sense (seems to look good for their bottom line). However, I think that your children should be given the chance to see the originals of these movies. Some of them are timeless. On that note, I am hearing rumours (and perhaps someone is pulling my leg, but I am sure the idea has crossed some studio exec's desk) of a remake of Wizard of Oz. Of course, there have been different versions, namely The Wiz, but again, something was added here. (A different viewpoint is, I feel, always a worthwhile pursuit. Doesn't mean the movie will be any good, tho:-) Dial M for Murder is due out any day now (with a name change, to attract a whole new audience). Back to the original point, I saw Flubber, and thought it was an alright movie. Can't remember the original,tho, as it was a long time ago, but I recall that it was very good. My vote goes for the original, but I am willing to give a passing nod to Flubber. Regards, --Mel --Mel Eperthener president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty email: bcassidy@usaor.net gowanna@australiamail.com http://www.webz.com/gowanna 419 Butler Street PO Box 95184 Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184 (412) 781-6140 (412) 781-6380 1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE ____________________________________________ That was a wicked googly! --Jerry Seinfeld, AMEX commercial ______________________________________________ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Masako Seko Subject: [MV] From GODZILLA's home town Date: 29 May 1998 15:38:32 +0900 Hello! everyone: I'm a new in this list and this is my first time to send a message.I'm a Japanese girl and a university student. I really like to watch movies but in Japan, it is so late to be open to the public the new movies. So, I want you to recommend some great movies. Recentry, I watched AS GOOD AS IT GETS in the theatre. It was so interesting! I liked it very much. In the U.S, that movie has already been released as a video, I think. Now, I want to watch " The Horse Whisperer" and "Deep Impact". My key-pal recommended these. How were these? If you've already watched them, please tell me your impression. Soon, "Great Expectation" is open. Did you watch it ? I'm going to watch it. I like Ethan Hawk(by the way, my favorite movie star is Brad Pitt). Then, I'm looking forward to hearing from you. I'm sorry, my English skill is not so good, so if there are any mistakes, please correct me. Masako [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ABYRNE.IE.ORACLE.COM" Subject: Re: RE: [MV] Phil Hartman-Leonardo Date: 29 May 1998 08:25:19 +0100 --=_ORCL_4444420_0_0 Content-Transfer-Encoding:quoted-printable Content-Type:text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" what character was he in the simpsons? Thanks & Regards, ****************************************************************************= ** ****************************************************************************= ** Anto Byrne Net:abyrne@ie.oracle.com Fulfillment Dept. Phone:8031461 Oracle E.M.E.A. Fax:8031541 Unit 14 email:abyrne.ie Airways Industrial Estate Cloghran Dublin 17. ****************************************************************************= ** "Float like a cannon-ball,sting like a shark I'm the one who's waiting for you in the dark" ****************************************************************************= ** --=_ORCL_4444420_0_0 Content-Type:message/rfc822 Reply-to:IEUNIX1.IE.ORACLE.COM:movies@lists.xmission.com Return-Path: Message-Id:<01BD8A45.89B6FF90.greg_swarthout@autosoft.com> Organization:Auto-Soft Corporation Sender:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type:text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit Thanks, Bruce. I, for one, hadn't heard about Phil Hartman. He was the last real talent to appear on SNL and he will be sorely missed. Greg -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, May 28, 1998 2:24 PM As you all probably know by now, Phil Hartman is dead. Evidently his wife shot him and then took her own life. The story is still coming out so some of the above could turn out to be wrong. I thought that Phil Hartman was one of the funniest guys alive. Most people know him from Saturday night live but he did his best work in the series "News Radio." Of course he also did many voice jobs such as many characters on "The Simpsons." His film career never completely took off but I believe he would have found his niche eventually and been an even bigger star. Of all the celebrities that have died recently I find his to be the most tragic. The even sadder thing is that evidently his children were home when this all happened. The inevitable TV tribute will be easily filled with so many funny clips. Also, evidently Leanardo Dicaprio is forcefully denying that he has signed for American Psycho. Evidently an offer was made but the production company (Lions Gate) prematurely announced his acceptance. A director is still not attached either. Variety ran two articles concerning this (yesterday and today) and there are some ugly details concerning the ousting of the original lead and director. There are also cries of foul in the independent film community. I wonder if Leo will walk away? Anyway, his people indicate that he is considering several offers at this time. bb [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] --=_ORCL_4444420_0_0-- [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "greuel" Subject: [MV] Re: Copland Date: 29 May 1998 11:40:31 cet > On 5/28/98, 6:33 PM -0500, NCC2000 said so nicely: > >I'm glad Copland was mentioned. I felt like this was one of the most > >underappreciated movies of last year. Starstudded cast and great > >performances all around, especially by Sylvester Stallone. A surprisingly > >great performance by Stallone. Arguably his best to date. > > I agree. I was very surprised by this movie. I didn't really know what to > expect when I rented it. I thought Stallone was marvelous and was > disappointed that he didn't receive more praise for this role. I thought > it was a wonderful film. Mhh, I didn't like it much, it was too long for my taste and the story was quite unbelievable and a bit incoherent. First these cops cover this guy and then they want to kill him. You would expect such a "professional" behaviour from mobsters but not the NYPD. With actors of the calibre of Keitel and DeNiro I would have expected something better. And what was all that Ray Liotta thing about? Sly ... mmh, I thought he played his usual not-so-smart- character, only this time without exaggerating it to a comic book figure. I guess for his first endeavours in the realms of acting it was ok but he never completely convinced me. I must admit I was disappointed and thought it to be a waste of money. It was not bad enough to regret seeing it and getting all worked up on it (which can be good) neither did I enjoy it. thomas http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/8911/ - abomiNation [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient Date: 29 May 1998 07:58:09 EDT In a message dated 98-05-26 22:57:34 EDT, you write: << I disagree with you on this one. I thought Unforgiven and The English Patient were extremely well done and well deserving of their Oscar praise. One of the most overpraised movies I have seen has got to be Trainspotting. I heard nothing but positive reviews from the critics about this movie, but after watching it I can honestly say I think it is one of the worst movies of the decade. >> Perhaps you should join the Academy and hang out with the members and discuss denture cream tips . . . and how these "new avant garde punk kids" don't know how to make really good movies like the days of yore when you were a kid . . . . :-) [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard J. Doyle" Subject: RE: RE: [MV] Phil Hartman-Leonardo Date: 29 May 1998 07:01:51 -0500 Phil Hartman was Troy McClure and Lionel Hutz. His one-shot voices include Moses, Lyle Lanley (the monorail salesman), and Earl Conover (Undersecretary of State in the episode where the Simpsons go to Australia). Richard J. Doyle Access & Visual Basic Developer CRW Systems rdoyle29@msn.com ICQ# 9867240 Something for nothing. It can all be yours. Everything you know IS true. "Bob" is the proof. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of ABYRNE.IE.ORACLE.COM Sent: Friday, May 29, 1998 2:25 AM Cc: ABYRNE@ie.oracle.com << Message: RE: [MV] Phil Hartman-Leonardo (1.91 KB) >> what character was he in the simpsons? Thanks & Regards, **************************************************************************** ** **************************************************************************** ** Anto Byrne Net:abyrne@ie.oracle.com Fulfillment Dept. Phone:8031461 Oracle E.M.E.A. Fax:8031541 Unit 14 email:abyrne.ie Airways Industrial Estate Cloghran Dublin 17. **************************************************************************** ** "Float like a cannon-ball,sting like a shark I'm the one who's waiting for you in the dark" **************************************************************************** ** [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "NCC2000" Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient Date: 29 May 1998 06:39:25 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BD8ACC.85C6C640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I don't consider myself that old (I'm am only 24). IMHO, a much better movie that is in a similar category as Trainspotting was Clerks. A great garage movie by then unknown Kevin Smith. Another good movie by Smith was Chasing Amy. Of course he did do Mallrats, but let's just pretend that movie never happened. ---------- > From: GeminiJef@aol.com > To: movies@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient > Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 5:58 AM > > In a message dated 98-05-26 22:57:34 EDT, you write: > > << I disagree with you on this one. I thought Unforgiven and The English > Patient were extremely well done and well deserving of their Oscar praise. > > One of the most overpraised movies I have seen has got to be Trainspotting. > I heard nothing but positive reviews from the critics about this movie, but > after watching it I can honestly say I think it is one of the worst movies > of the decade. >> > > Perhaps you should join the Academy and hang out with the members and discuss > denture cream tips . . . and how these "new avant garde punk kids" don't know > how to make really good movies like the days of yore when you were a kid . . . > . > :-) > > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------=_NextPart_000_01BD8ACC.85C6C640 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well, I don't consider myself that old = (I'm am only 24). IMHO, a much better movie that is in a similar = category as Trainspotting was Clerks. A great garage movie by then = unknown Kevin Smith. Another good movie by Smith was Chasing Amy. Of = course he did do Mallrats, but let's just pretend that movie never = happened.

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> From: GeminiJef@aol.com
> To: movies@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient
> = 98-05-26 22:57:34 EDT, you write:
>
> << I disagree = with you on this one. I thought Unforgiven and The English
> =  Patient were extremely well done and well deserving of their Oscar = praise.
>  
>  One of the most overpraised movies = I have seen has got to be Trainspotting.
>  I heard nothing = but positive reviews from the critics about this movie, but
> =  after watching it I can honestly say I think it is one of the = worst movies
>  of the decade. >>
>
> = Perhaps you should join the Academy and hang out with the members and = discuss
> denture cream tips . . . and how these "new avant = garde punk kids" don't know
> how to make really good movies = like the days of yore when you were a kid . . .
> .
> = :-)
>
> [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message = "unsubscribe movies" ]
> [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com =             &= nbsp;           ]<= /p> ------=_NextPart_000_01BD8ACC.85C6C640-- [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ABYRNE.IE.ORACLE.COM" Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient Date: 29 May 1998 13:51:07 +0100 --=_ORCL_4449185_0_0 Content-Transfer-Encoding:quoted-printable Content-Type:text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sorry to say it, but personally I thought Clerks was a bad movie made by what= looked like an inexperienced direector.I know I will come under fire for that, cause everyone else seemed to like it. Two films that really didn't get any credit were,Stockade with Charlie and Martin Sheen and Citizen X, with, I think, Stephen Rea? Any thoughts? Thanks & Regards, ****************************************************************************= ** ****************************************************************************= ** Anto Byrne Net:abyrne@ie.oracle.com Fulfillment Dept. Phone:8031461 Oracle E.M.E.A. Fax:8031541 Unit 14 email:abyrne.ie Airways Industrial Estate Cloghran Dublin 17. ****************************************************************************= ** "Float like a cannon-ball,sting like a shark I'm the one who's waiting for you in the dark" ****************************************************************************= ** --=_ORCL_4449185_0_0 Content-Type:message/rfc822 Reply-to:IEUNIX1.IE.ORACLE.COM:movies@lists.xmission.com Return-Path: Received:from iedns1.ie.oracle.com by iemail1.ie.oracle.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.1) id NAA00432; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:34:20 +0100 Received:from mail-gw3.uk.oracle.com (ukaa04.uk.oracle.com) by iedns1.ie.oracle.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12585; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:38:45 +0100 Received:from uksn98.uk.oracle.com (uksn98.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.67]) by mail-gw3.uk.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA19488 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:41:15 +0100 (BST) Received:from lists.xmission.com ([198.60.22.7]) by uksn98.uk.oracle.com via smtpd (for ukaa04.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.99]) with SMTP; 29 May 1998 12:41:16 UT Received:from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yfOS0-0002Ty-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:40:00 -0600 Received:from (missouri.mcn.net) [204.212.170.3] (root) by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yfORx-0002Tp-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:39:57 -0600 Received:from ncc2000 (bzpm01-046.mcn.net [205.163.40.46]) by missouri.mcn.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA08463 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:40:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id:<199805291240.GAA08463@missouri.mcn.net> X-Msmail-Priority:Normal X-Priority:3 Sender:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type:multipart/alternative; boundary="=_ORCL_4449033_0r0" --=_ORCL_4449033_0r0 Content-Type:text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit Well, I don't consider myself that old (I'm am only 24). IMHO, a much better movie that is in a similar category as Trainspotting was Clerks. A great garage movie by then unknown Kevin Smith. Another good movie by Smith was Chasing Amy. Of course he did do Mallrats, but let's just pretend that movie never happened. ---------- > From: GeminiJef@aol.com > To: movies@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient > Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 5:58 AM > > In a message dated 98-05-26 22:57:34 EDT, you write: > > << I disagree with you on this one. I thought Unforgiven and The English > Patient were extremely well done and well deserving of their Oscar praise. > > One of the most overpraised movies I have seen has got to be Trainspotting. > I heard nothing but positive reviews from the critics about this movie, but > after watching it I can honestly say I think it is one of the worst movies > of the decade. >> > > Perhaps you should join the Academy and hang out with the members and discuss > denture cream tips . . . and how these "new avant garde punk kids" don't know > how to make really good movies like the days of yore when you were a kid . . . > . > :-) > > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] --=_ORCL_4449033_0r0 Content-Type:text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding:quoted-printable

Well, I don't consider myself that old (I'm am only 24).= IMHO, a much better movie that is in a similar category as Trainspotting wa= s Clerks. A great garage movie by then unknown Kevin Smith. Another good mov= ie by Smith was Chasing Amy. Of course he did do Mallrats, but let's just pr= etend that movie never happened.

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> From: GeminiJef@aol.com
> To: movies@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient
> Date: Friday, May 29, 1= 998 5:58 AM
>
> In a message dated 98-05-26 22:57:34 EDT, you w= rite:
>
> << I disagree with you on this one. I thought U= nforgiven and The English
>  Patient were extremely well done and= well deserving of their Oscar praise.
>  
>  One of = the most overpraised movies I have seen has got to be Trainspotting.
>=  I heard nothing but positive reviews from the critics about this movi= e, but
>  after watching it I can honestly say I think it is one = of the worst movies
>  of the decade. >>
>
> P= erhaps you should join the Academy and hang out with the members and discuss=
> denture cream tips . . . and how these "new avant garde punk k= ids" don't know
> how to make really good movies like the days of= yore when you were a kid . . .
> .
> :-)
>
> [ To = quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies"= ; ]
> [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@x= mission.com       =             &nbs= p;     ]

 --=_ORCL_4449033_0r0-- --=_ORCL_4449185_0_0-- [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom J. O'Neil" Subject: Re: [MV] From GODZILLA's home town - Deep Impact Date: 29 May 1998 08:17:10 -0500 Your English skill is much better than mine.... Deep Impact will probably keep it's title as "Worst Movie of the Year" in my book. The movie was very predictable... the characters were very weak... you really don't "get into" the movie. There was too much product placement for me (I'm surprised they weren't handing out Ensure during the movie). I would not suggest going to Deep Impact. I also haven't heard great things about "The Horse Wispserer"...but I haven't seen it for myself, yet. Tom g0961215@pu-kumamoto.ac.jp 05/29/98 01:38 AM Please respond to movies@lists.xmission.com cc: jay@kusu2.pu-kumamoto.ac.jp (bcc: Tom J. O'Neil/Madison/CMG) Hello! everyone: I'm a new in this list and this is my first time to send a message.I'm a Japanese girl and a university student. I really like to watch movies but in Japan, it is so late to be open to the public the new movies. So, I want you to recommend some great movies. Recentry, I watched AS GOOD AS IT GETS in the theatre. It was so interesting! I liked it very much. In the U.S, that movie has already been released as a video, I think. Now, I want to watch " The Horse Whisperer" and "Deep Impact". My key-pal recommended these. How were these? If you've already watched them, please tell me your impression. Soon, "Great Expectation" is open. Did you watch it ? I'm going to watch it. I like Ethan Hawk(by the way, my favorite movie star is Brad Pitt). Then, I'm looking forward to hearing from you. I'm sorry, my English skill is not so good, so if there are any mistakes, please correct me. Masako [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Culligan" Subject: Re: [MV] The Absent Minded Professor vs. Flubber Date: 29 May 1998 07:05:12 PDT I thought they were both good. I think the second one went overboard on the dancing flubber, floating robot, etc, but my 4 year old, who watched them both, enjoyed the second over the first. I'll vote for the first, but I'm sure my 4 year old would vote for the second. Go figure?? Is anyone looking as forward to The Truman Show as I am?? I can't wait to see it. Could we finally have a not so ho-hum movie this summer??? I think this is what the early screeners are saying! This seems like a great role for Jim Carry. A chance for him to segue out of butt joke humer and into more serious roles. I think the guy is great and hope this movie does it for him! >From owner-movies@lists.xmission.com Thu May 28 21:21:35 1998 >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yfGei-0007Hu-00; Thu, 28 May 1998 22:20:36 -0600 >Received: from (pgh.nauticom.net) [198.190.226.3] > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yfGef-0007Hi-00; Thu, 28 May 1998 22:20:34 -0600 >Received: from [204.171.126.108] (108.net7.nauticom.net [204.171.126.108]) > by pgh.nauticom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA14301 > for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 00:17:03 -0400 (EDT) >X-Sender: mlz@nauticom.net (Unverified) >Message-Id: >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 23:21:34 -0400 >To: movies@lists.xmission.com >From: GARY ZEIG >Subject: [MV] The Absent Minded Professor vs. Flubber >Sender: owner-movies@lists.xmission.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: movies@lists.xmission.com > >Speaking of remakes/ derivations from earlier film which version of this >story do you guys and girls prefer? >And why? > > >Gary > > > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Culligan" Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient Date: 29 May 1998 07:16:02 PDT All though I liked Trainspotting, being a US American, I couldn't understand half the dialog due to the heavy accents (which is my problem and in no way makes it a bad movie!). A similiar movie that I really liked, and could follow in with the dialog easier, was Drug Store Cowboy. Matt Dilon was really good in this one (a good actor all around, BTW. What ever happened to him??). >From owner-movies@lists.xmission.com Fri May 29 05:41:16 1998 >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yfOS0-0002Ty-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:40:00 -0600 >Received: from (missouri.mcn.net) [204.212.170.3] (root) > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yfORx-0002Tp-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:39:57 -0600 >Received: from ncc2000 (bzpm01-046.mcn.net [205.163.40.46]) > by missouri.mcn.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA08463 > for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:40:00 -0600 (MDT) >Message-Id: <199805291240.GAA08463@missouri.mcn.net> >From: "NCC2000" >To: >Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient >Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 06:39:25 -0600 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Priority: 3 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BD8ACC.85C6C640" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Sender: owner-movies@lists.xmission.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: movies@lists.xmission.com > >Well, I don't consider myself that old (I'm am only 24). IMHO, a much >better movie that is in a similar category as Trainspotting was Clerks. A >great garage movie by then unknown Kevin Smith. Another good movie by Smith >was Chasing Amy. Of course he did do Mallrats, but let's just pretend that >movie never happened. > >---------- >> From: GeminiJef@aol.com >> To: movies@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient >> Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 5:58 AM >> >> In a message dated 98-05-26 22:57:34 EDT, you write: >> >> << I disagree with you on this one. I thought Unforgiven and The English >> Patient were extremely well done and well deserving of their Oscar >praise. >> >> One of the most overpraised movies I have seen has got to be >Trainspotting. >> I heard nothing but positive reviews from the critics about this movie, >but >> after watching it I can honestly say I think it is one of the worst >movies >> of the decade. >> >> >> Perhaps you should join the Academy and hang out with the members and >discuss >> denture cream tips . . . and how these "new avant garde punk kids" don't >know >> how to make really good movies like the days of yore when you were a kid >. . . >> . >> :-) >> >> [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" >] >> [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ABYRNE.IE.ORACLE.COM" Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient Date: 29 May 1998 15:37:30 +0100 --=_ORCL_4450737_0_0 Content-Transfer-Encoding:quoted-printable Content-Type:text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Why don't you check out Rumble fish,starring Matt Dillon. Directod by Francis Ford Coppolla. This is a cult classic from the early 80's.Also starring Mickey Rourke, Nick Cage,Larry Fishburne Tom Waits and Diane Lane,Chris Penn. It is a bloody good movie. Thanks & Regards, ****************************************************************************= ** ****************************************************************************= ** Anto Byrne Net:abyrne@ie.oracle.com Fulfillment Dept. Phone:8031461 Oracle E.M.E.A. Fax:8031541 Unit 14 email:abyrne.ie Airways Industrial Estate Cloghran Dublin 17. ****************************************************************************= ** "Float like a cannon-ball,sting like a shark I'm the one who's waiting for you in the dark" ****************************************************************************= ** --=_ORCL_4450737_0_0 Content-Type:message/rfc822 Reply-to:IEUNIX1.IE.ORACLE.COM:movies@lists.xmission.com Return-Path: Received:from iedns1.ie.oracle.com by iemail1.ie.oracle.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.1) id PAA02843; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:11:37 +0100 Received:from mail-gw3.uk.oracle.com (ukaa04.uk.oracle.com) by iedns1.ie.oracle.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14770; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:16:00 +0100 Received:from uksn98.uk.oracle.com (uksn98.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.67]) by mail-gw3.uk.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA12166 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:18:27 +0100 (BST) Received:from lists.xmission.com ([198.60.22.7]) by uksn98.uk.oracle.com via smtpd (for ukaa04.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.99]) with SMTP; 29 May 1998 14:18:28 UT Received:from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yfPxy-0007Oj-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:17:06 -0600 Received:from (hotmail.com) [207.82.250.191] by lists.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yfPxv-0007J0-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:17:03 -0600 Received:(qmail 20730 invoked by uid 0); 29 May 1998 14:16:03 -0000 Message-Id:<19980529141603.20729.qmail@hotmail.com> Received:from 207.36.4.15 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 29 May 1998 07:16:02 PDT X-Originating-Ip:[207.36.4.15] Sender:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding:quoted-printable Content-Type:text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" All though I liked Trainspotting, being a US American, I couldn't understand half the dialog due to the heavy accents (which is my problem and in no way makes it a bad movie!). A similiar movie that I really liked, and could follow in with the dialog easier, was Drug Store Cowboy. Matt Dilon was really good in this one (a good actor all around, BTW. What ever happened to him??). >From owner-movies@lists.xmission.com Fri May 29 05:41:16 1998 >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yfOS0-0002Ty-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:40:00 -0600 >Received: from (missouri.mcn.net) [204.212.170.3] (root) > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yfORx-0002Tp-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:39:57 -0600 >Received: from ncc2000 (bzpm01-046.mcn.net [205.163.40.46]) > by missouri.mcn.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA08463 > for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:40:00 -0600 (MDT) >Message-Id: <199805291240.GAA08463@missouri.mcn.net> >From: "NCC2000" >To: >Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient >Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 06:39:25 -0600 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Priority: 3 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=3D"----=3D_NextPart_000_01BD8ACC.85C6C640" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Sender: owner-movies@lists.xmission.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: movies@lists.xmission.com > >Well, I don't consider myself that old (I'm am only 24). IMHO, a much >better movie that is in a similar category as Trainspotting was Clerks. A >great garage movie by then unknown Kevin Smith. Another good movie by Smith >was Chasing Amy. Of course he did do Mallrats, but let's just pretend that >movie never happened. > >---------- >> From: GeminiJef@aol.com >> To: movies@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient >> Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 5:58 AM >> >> In a message dated 98-05-26 22:57:34 EDT, you write: >> >> << I disagree with you on this one. I thought Unforgiven and The English >> Patient were extremely well done and well deserving of their Oscar >praise. >> >> One of the most overpraised movies I have seen has got to be >Trainspotting. >> I heard nothing but positive reviews from the critics about this movie, >but >> after watching it I can honestly say I think it is one of the worst >movies >> of the decade. >> >> >> Perhaps you should join the Academy and hang out with the members and >discuss >> denture cream tips . . . and how these "new avant garde punk kids" don't >know >> how to make really good movies like the days of yore when you were a kid >. . . >> . >> :-) >> >> [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" >] >> [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] --=_ORCL_4450737_0_0-- [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom J. O'Neil" Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient Date: 29 May 1998 10:29:11 -0500 Is Rumble Fish the movie where they (Matt Dillon & crew) rob a bank and then stumble into a seedy bar? ABYRNE@ie.oracle.com 05/29/98 09:37 AM Please respond to movies@lists.xmission.com cc: ABYRNE@ie.oracle.com (bcc: Tom J. O'Neil/Madison/CMG) Why don't you check out Rumble fish,starring Matt Dillon. Directod by Francis Ford Coppolla. This is a cult classic from the early 80's.Also starring Mickey Rourke, Nick Cage,Larry Fishburne Tom Waits and Diane Lane,Chris Penn. It is a bloody good movie. Thanks & Regards, *************************************************************************** *** *************************************************************************** *** Anto Byrne Net:abyrne@ie.oracle.com Fulfillment Dept. Phone:8031461 Oracle E.M.E.A. Fax:8031541 Unit 14 email:abyrne.ie Airways Industrial Estate Cloghran Dublin 17. *************************************************************************** *** "Float like a cannon-ball,sting like a shark I'm the one who's waiting for you in the dark" *************************************************************************** *** Reply-to:IEUNIX1.IE.ORACLE.COM:movies@lists.xmission.com Return-Path: Received:from iedns1.ie.oracle.com by iemail1.ie.oracle.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.1) id PAA02843; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:11:37 +0100 Received:from mail-gw3.uk.oracle.com (ukaa04.uk.oracle.com) by iedns1.ie.oracle.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14770; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:16:00 +0100 Received:from uksn98.uk.oracle.com (uksn98.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.67]) by mail-gw3.uk.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA12166 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:18:27 +0100 (BST) Received:from lists.xmission.com ([198.60.22.7]) by uksn98.uk.oracle.com via smtpd (for ukaa04.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.99]) with SMTP; 29 May 1998 14:18:28 UT Received:from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yfPxy-0007Oj-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:17:06 -0600 Received:from (hotmail.com) [207.82.250.191] by lists.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yfPxv-0007J0-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:17:03 -0600 Received:(qmail 20730 invoked by uid 0); 29 May 1998 14:16:03 -0000 Message-Id:<19980529141603.20729.qmail@hotmail.com> Received:from 207.36.4.15 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 29 May 1998 07:16:02 PDT X-Originating-Ip:[207.36.4.15] Sender:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding:quoted-printable Content-Type:text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" All though I liked Trainspotting, being a US American, I couldn't understand half the dialog due to the heavy accents (which is my problem and in no way makes it a bad movie!). A similiar movie that I really liked, and could follow in with the dialog easier, was Drug Store Cowboy. Matt Dilon was really good in this one (a good actor all around, BTW. What ever happened to him??). >From owner-movies@lists.xmission.com Fri May 29 05:41:16 1998 >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yfOS0-0002Ty-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:40:00 -0600 >Received: from (missouri.mcn.net) [204.212.170.3] (root) > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yfORx-0002Tp-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:39:57 -0600 >Received: from ncc2000 (bzpm01-046.mcn.net [205.163.40.46]) > by missouri.mcn.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA08463 > for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:40:00 -0600 (MDT) >Message-Id: <199805291240.GAA08463@missouri.mcn.net> >From: "NCC2000" >To: >Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient >Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 06:39:25 -0600 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Priority: 3 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BD8ACC.85C6C640" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Sender: owner-movies@lists.xmission.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: movies@lists.xmission.com > >Well, I don't consider myself that old (I'm am only 24). IMHO, a much >better movie that is in a similar category as Trainspotting was Clerks. A >great garage movie by then unknown Kevin Smith. Another good movie by Smith >was Chasing Amy. Of course he did do Mallrats, but let's just pretend that >movie never happened. > >---------- >> From: GeminiJef@aol.com >> To: movies@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient >> Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 5:58 AM >> >> In a message dated 98-05-26 22:57:34 EDT, you write: >> >> << I disagree with you on this one. I thought Unforgiven and The English >> Patient were extremely well done and well deserving of their Oscar >praise. >> >> One of the most overpraised movies I have seen has got to be >Trainspotting. >> I heard nothing but positive reviews from the critics about this movie, >but >> after watching it I can honestly say I think it is one of the worst >movies >> of the decade. >> >> >> Perhaps you should join the Academy and hang out with the members and >discuss >> denture cream tips . . . and how these "new avant garde punk kids" don't >know >> how to make really good movies like the days of yore when you were a kid >. . . >> . >> :-) >> >> [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" >] >> [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Culligan" Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient Date: 29 May 1998 08:39:06 PDT You know, I've heard of this movie, and have always wanted to see it. I like nearly everyone involved, in particular Francis Ford Coopla. Apocalypse Now and The Outsiders are two of my favorites. I've never been able to find it at the video store, however. Guess I'll have to see if I can buy it somewhere! >Why don't you check out Rumble fish,starring Matt Dillon. Directod by >Francis >Ford Coppolla. This is a cult classic from the early 80's.Also starring >Mickey >Rourke, Nick Cage,Larry Fishburne Tom Waits and Diane Lane,Chris Penn. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Bridges Subject: Re: [MV] Copland, etc Date: 29 May 1998 08:44:41 -0700 I thought Copland was ok and Stallone was good in it. It wasn't as good as I expected considering the massive talent onscreen. I've always thought that Stallone was a much better actor than his movies suggested simply because he became obsessed with making gobs of money. One only has to watch the first Rocky to see how good he really can be. And its hard to believe the Stallone of today could write such a beautiful script as Rocky. I didn't even see Flubber but could tell from the previews that they completely missed the charm of the first film. Everything I've heard about it only confirms my first instinct. Speaking of Wizard of Oz, has anybody heard that you can play the Pink Floyd album "Dark Side of the Moon" while watching Wizard and it all fits together? I've never done it but have friends that swear by it. Hi Masako, where are you from in Japan? I have some friends in Los Angeles that are from Japan. OK, my vote for most overrated film is "The Sweet Hereafter." While enduring that film I yearned for the opportunity to do something more exciting like watch paint dry. I'm going to rent and rewatch it though because I have to make one more effort to see what the hell everybody is so damn impressed by. I hear the Truman Show is fantastic. I think its going to be a huge success. If Jim Carrey can expand his already huge audience it will be very impressive. Finally, (I'm trying to do my part and keep my number of posts to a minimum but they seem to be quite long.) I thought Drug Store Cowboy was fantastic. Matt Dillon is a very good actor that has not made acting choices based on boxoffice but has instead chosen more challenging roles. He's not the big star he probably could have been but I respect him for that. Could everybody indicate where they are writing from? We did that before but I think the group has changed quite a bit since then. Bye, bb [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" Subject: RE: [MV] The Absent Minded Professor vs. Flubber Date: 29 May 1998 11:12:25 -0600 On Thursday, May 28, 1998 10:42 PM, Mel Eperthener [SMTP:bcassidy@usaor.net] wrote: > Good point, Gary. I didn't even consider studio remakes. I think Disney > is trying to update their movies for a new generation (Flubber, Nutty > Professor, Dr Doolittle) The original "Dr. Dolittle" and its remake are both products of 20th Century Fox. The Eddie Murphy version of "The Nutty Professor" was a Universal Pictures release while the original was from Paramount. As far as "Flubber" goes, it was absolutely dreadful. The original wins by a mile. Greg [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Garrett Winters Subject: RE: RE: [MV] Phil Hartman-Leonardo Date: 29 May 1998 18:42:37 +0100 Richard J Doyle writes >Phil Hartman was Troy McClure and Lionel Hutz. His one-shot voices include >Moses, Lyle Lanley (the monorail salesman), and Earl Conover (Undersecretary >of State in the episode where the Simpsons go to Australia). Now there is the sad news of his murder ( I'm assuming it is the same Hartman) so obviously those characters will need to be revoiced for the movie or left out entirely. RIP Garrett [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ABYRNE.IE.ORACLE.COM" Subject: Re: RE: RE: [MV] Phil Hartman-Leonardo Date: 29 May 1998 18:45:46 +0100 --=_ORCL_4452693_0_0 Content-Transfer-Encoding:quoted-printable Content-Type:text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" is it just me,or was he on Jay leno the other day? Thanks & Regards, ****************************************************************************= ** ****************************************************************************= ** Anto Byrne Net:abyrne@ie.oracle.com Fulfillment Dept. Phone:8031461 Oracle E.M.E.A. Fax:8031541 Unit 14 email:abyrne.ie Airways Industrial Estate Cloghran Dublin 17. ****************************************************************************= ** "Float like a cannon-ball,sting like a shark I'm the one who's waiting for you in the dark" ****************************************************************************= ** --=_ORCL_4452693_0_0 Content-Type:message/rfc822 Reply-to:IEUNIX1.IE.ORACLE.COM:movies@lists.xmission.com Return-Path: Received:from iedns1.ie.oracle.com by iemail1.ie.oracle.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.1) id SAA06775; Fri, 29 May 1998 18:35:58 +0100 Received:from mail-gw3.uk.oracle.com (ukaa04.uk.oracle.com) by iedns1.ie.oracle.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA18784; Fri, 29 May 1998 18:40:23 +0100 Received:from uksn98.uk.oracle.com (uksn98.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.67]) by mail-gw3.uk.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA14251 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 18:42:54 +0100 (BST) Received:from lists.xmission.com ([198.60.22.7]) by uksn98.uk.oracle.com via smtpd (for ukaa04.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.99]) with SMTP; 29 May 1998 17:42:55 UT Received:from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yfT9d-00072Z-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:41:21 -0600 Received:from (mail.iol.ie) [194.125.2.193] by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yfT9Y-00071K-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:41:17 -0600 Received:from [194.125.44.250] (dialup-090.dundalk.iol.ie [194.125.44.250]) by mail.iol.ie Sendmail (v8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA17070 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 18:40:55 +0100 Message-Id:<199805291740.SAA17070@mail.iol.ie> X-Sender:gargoyle@gpo.iol.ie Sender:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type:text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit Richard J Doyle writes >Phil Hartman was Troy McClure and Lionel Hutz. His one-shot voices include >Moses, Lyle Lanley (the monorail salesman), and Earl Conover (Undersecretary >of State in the episode where the Simpsons go to Australia). Now there is the sad news of his murder ( I'm assuming it is the same Hartman) so obviously those characters will need to be revoiced for the movie or left out entirely. RIP Garrett [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] --=_ORCL_4452693_0_0-- [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Culligan" Subject: [MV] Matt Dillons First?? Date: 29 May 1998 10:56:55 PDT Does anyone remember the name of the movie were a very young Matt Dillon led a pack of suburbon youths in rebellious angst? I think it was his first picture. I can't remember the name of the movie but I do remember it was very good. The thing I remember most about it was the group of kids finding a gun and the tension that was created by the fact that you never knew what they might do with the gun. Very disturbing. I also could relate to it from the perspective that the kids reminded me somewhat of my own friends when I was about that age. Does anyone remember the name of this movie with Matt Dillon?? It may be another one I consider for puchase in addition to "Rumble Fish". ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" Subject: RE: [MV] Matt Dillons First?? Date: 29 May 1998 12:05:56 -0600 The Internet Movie Database (www.imdb.com) lists "Over the Edge" (1979) as Dillon's first. The plot summary is as follows: New Grenada is a planned community set in the desert where there is nothing for the kids to do, save for a rec center - which closes at 6 PM. The parents, in their zeal to attract industry to their town, have all but neglected their children. As a result, the kids begin to create their own entertainment, which involves vandalism, theft, and general hooliganism. During an incident when one of the kids brandishes an unloaded gun at town cop Ed Doberman, he is shot and killed. When the parents gather the next night to discuss the killing and the level of lawlessness among the youth, they soon find out that their kids have had all they can take. 118 votes on the IMDb towards this film earned it a 9.2/10 rating. Greg On Friday, May 29, 1998 11:57 AM, Chris Culligan [SMTP:culligan@hotmail.com] wrote: > Does anyone remember the name of the movie were a very young Matt Dillon > led a pack of suburbon youths in rebellious angst? I think it was his > first picture. I can't remember the name of the movie but I do remember > it was very good. The thing I remember most about it was the group of > kids finding a gun and the tension that was created by the fact that you > never knew what they might do with the gun. Very disturbing. I also > could relate to it from the perspective that the kids reminded me > somewhat of my own friends when I was about that age. Does anyone > remember the name of this movie with Matt Dillon?? It may be another > one I consider for puchase in addition to "Rumble Fish". > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "greuel" Subject: Re: [MV] Copland, etc Date: 29 May 1998 16:01:26 cet > money. One only has to watch the first Rocky to see how good he > really can be. And its hard to believe the Stallone of today could > write such a beautiful script as Rocky. I think his talents are in playing himself. Whenever he tries to act something a bit further from these martial roles he hasn't convinced me. > Speaking of Wizard of Oz, has anybody heard that you can play the > Pink Floyd album "Dark Side of the Moon" while watching Wizard and it > all fits together? I've never done it but have friends that swear by > it. Well, yea, it's a classic urban legend, the other one is that you can see a man hanging himself in the background of the actual film - but that UL has been proven untrue. > Finally, (I'm trying to do my part and keep my number of posts to a > minimum but they seem to be quite long.) I thought Drug Store Cowboy > was fantastic. Matt Dillon is a very good actor that has not made > acting choices based on boxoffice but has instead chosen more > challenging roles. He's not the big star he probably could have been > but I respect him for that. I can remember him being hyped as the new James Dean back in the good ole days. I don't know whether he chose not to follow that path or whether his career has run dry - probably the latter - although he used to be in a couple of very good films. > Could everybody indicate where they are writing from? We did that > before but I think the group has changed quite a bit since then. Ok. I am writing from home. Always glad to help. thomas http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/8911/ - abomiNation [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: grasshopper Subject: Re: [MV] the new "Godzilla" -Reply -Reply Date: 29 May 1998 12:14:35 -0700 (PDT) yeah, Godzilla is a movie icon, but I thought the movie was a step away from that (like Gary's opinion of Leo in american psycho?=) I just thought the movie was a lot of fun and I actually liked having Godzilla just a big animal... and it being a big animal fit in with everything Matthew Broderick's character did... about the remake of foreign films, I don't see anything wrong with it- especially with credit being given to the origanal. There are very few origanal ideas- even Titanic was ripped off of a natural disaster, if you choose to look at it that way- and look at how many movies come from books, etc. It seems only natural to have remakes. by the way, Bruce, "grasshopper" is a charecter from a video game that I like so I used it as a joke for a while and just never changed it (I've been through many e-mails names... bladerunner, etc.) "kg" is my initials, and some of friends call me "kg"- say them out loud and you might see why... kg On Thu, 28 May 1998, Bruce Bridges wrote: > Grasshopper (KG? what does that stand for?) wrote: > to me > that he/she/it was shown as an animal- neither good nor bad, but an > animal > that just happened to be too large for the human race to deal with. > > > I think that may be a valid point if you want to make a movie simply > about an oversized animal, but Godzilla is a movie icon that does > have character and that is its appeal. > > I think a good comparison would be the Frankenstein monster. He is > not simply a mindless evil creature but instead a confused and > misunderstood innocent thrown into a world which he can never belong. > That is the appeal of this particular character and what separates > him from all of the rest. > > Concerning Hollywood remakes of films from other countries (did > anybody notice my sensitivity by not using the word "foreign"?). I > cannot think of a successful one off the top of my head except for > Magnificent Seven, Three Men and a Baby and Reservour Dogs (Which was > a huge improvement over the original Chinese flick although I still > think Taratino should have fessed up to his ripping it off and given > credit where due). I'm sure there are several more. But I don't > think this is something unique to Hollywood. I've sat through > ripoffs of american films as well. I think a lot of times movies are > remade because the American distributors can reach a wider worldwide > audience. The one I am most concerned about is the Disney remake of > "Shall We Dance." I think they can only ruin a beautiful and great > film that will lose everything that made it so if it is taken out of > the Japanese context and setting. > > I loved La Femme but hated, hated, hated the Professional. Not only > did I think it bad but thought it treaded dangerously close to > pedophilia. I know others did not see that but I thought the > relationship between the grown man and little girl was just too > weird. The Fifth Element was a lot of fun and I thought that it was > unfairly overlooked. > > In reference to Diane and Tonya's comments about opinions, I think > that we've all admitted that we all have strong ones and will > respectively disagree occasionally (or often). If I come across as > bombastic or full of myself just please accept this blanket apology > now for all future transgressions. I truly think that everybody's > opinion is equally valid and that we all bring our own baggage and > background to the interpretation of each film(although mine seem to > be more valid than the rest of you. Hahahahahahhahaha.) > > bb > > > > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: grasshopper Subject: [MV] trainspotting, clerks, and mallrats Date: 29 May 1998 12:22:38 -0700 (PDT) I liked both Clerks and Trainspotting, but I don't think its fair to compare them- Trainspotting is a movie about addiction, Clerks was... itself. Also, I liked Mallrats- it had some really funny moments. It didn't have the same edge as Clerks or the seriousness of Chasing Amy, but it works fine as the second movie of a trilogy... hey, it's better than the Temple of Doom... kg On Fri, 29 May 1998, NCC2000 wrote: > Well, I don't consider myself that old (I'm am only 24). IMHO, a much > better movie that is in a similar category as Trainspotting was Clerks. A > great garage movie by then unknown Kevin Smith. Another good movie by Smith > was Chasing Amy. Of course he did do Mallrats, but let's just pretend that > movie never happened. > > ---------- > > From: GeminiJef@aol.com > > To: movies@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient > > Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 5:58 AM > > > > In a message dated 98-05-26 22:57:34 EDT, you write: > > > > << I disagree with you on this one. I thought Unforgiven and The English > > Patient were extremely well done and well deserving of their Oscar > praise. > > > > One of the most overpraised movies I have seen has got to be > Trainspotting. > > I heard nothing but positive reviews from the critics about this movie, > but > > after watching it I can honestly say I think it is one of the worst > movies > > of the decade. >> > > > > Perhaps you should join the Academy and hang out with the members and > discuss > > denture cream tips . . . and how these "new avant garde punk kids" don't > know > > how to make really good movies like the days of yore when you were a kid > . . . > > . > > :-) > > > > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" > ] > > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: grasshopper Subject: [MV] rumble fish Date: 29 May 1998 12:25:47 -0700 (PDT) No- Rumble Fish is based on a SE Hinton novel. It's about a boy, Rusty, and his life in the ghetto, basically, and his desire to be like his older brother, Motorcycle Boy. It's a good movie... X X XXXX X X X X XXXX XXX XXXX XXXX XXXX XXXXX XXXXX X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X XX XXXX X X X X XX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXX X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X XXXX XXXX XXXX X XXXX X X X X X X XXXX X X On Fri, 29 May 1998, Tom J. O'Neil wrote: > > > > Is Rumble Fish the movie where they (Matt Dillon & crew) rob a bank and > then stumble into a seedy bar? > > > > > > > ABYRNE@ie.oracle.com > 05/29/98 09:37 AM > > > > > Please respond to movies@lists.xmission.com > > To: movies@lists.xmission.com > cc: ABYRNE@ie.oracle.com (bcc: Tom J. O'Neil/Madison/CMG) > Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient > > > > > > Why don't you check out Rumble fish,starring Matt Dillon. Directod by > Francis > Ford Coppolla. This is a cult classic from the early 80's.Also starring > Mickey > Rourke, Nick Cage,Larry Fishburne Tom Waits and Diane Lane,Chris Penn. > It is a bloody good movie. > Thanks & Regards, > *************************************************************************** > *** > *************************************************************************** > *** > Anto Byrne Net:abyrne@ie.oracle.com > Fulfillment Dept. Phone:8031461 > Oracle E.M.E.A. Fax:8031541 > Unit 14 email:abyrne.ie > Airways Industrial Estate > Cloghran > Dublin 17. > *************************************************************************** > *** > "Float like a cannon-ball,sting like a shark > I'm the one who's waiting for you in the dark" > *************************************************************************** > *** > > > > Date: 29 May 98 15:16:02 > From:"Chris Culligan" > To:movies@lists.xmission.com > Subject:Re: [MV] English Patient > Reply-to:IEUNIX1.IE.ORACLE.COM:movies@lists.xmission.com > Return-Path: > Received:from iedns1.ie.oracle.com by iemail1.ie.oracle.com > (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.1) id PAA02843; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:11:37 +0100 > Received:from mail-gw3.uk.oracle.com (ukaa04.uk.oracle.com) by > iedns1.ie.oracle.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14770; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:16:00 > +0100 > Received:from uksn98.uk.oracle.com (uksn98.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.67]) by > mail-gw3.uk.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA12166 for > ; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:18:27 +0100 (BST) > Received:from lists.xmission.com ([198.60.22.7]) by uksn98.uk.oracle.com > via smtpd (for ukaa04.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.99]) with SMTP; 29 May 1998 > 14:18:28 UT > Received:from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id > 0yfPxy-0007Oj-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:17:06 -0600 > Received:from (hotmail.com) [207.82.250.191] by lists.xmission.com with > smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yfPxv-0007J0-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:17:03 -0600 > Received:(qmail 20730 invoked by uid 0); 29 May 1998 14:16:03 -0000 > Message-Id:<19980529141603.20729.qmail@hotmail.com> > Received:from 207.36.4.15 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 29 May 1998 > 07:16:02 PDT > X-Originating-Ip:[207.36.4.15] > Sender:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com > Precedence: bulk > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding:quoted-printable > Content-Type:text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > All though I liked Trainspotting, being a US American, I couldn't > understand half the dialog due to the heavy accents (which is my problem > and in no way makes it a bad movie!). A similiar movie that I really > liked, and could follow in with the dialog easier, was Drug Store > Cowboy. Matt Dilon was really good in this one (a good actor all > around, BTW. What ever happened to him??). > >From owner-movies@lists.xmission.com Fri May 29 05:41:16 1998 > >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) > > id 0yfOS0-0002Ty-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:40:00 -0600 > >Received: from (missouri.mcn.net) [204.212.170.3] (root) > > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > > id 0yfORx-0002Tp-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:39:57 -0600 > >Received: from ncc2000 (bzpm01-046.mcn.net [205.163.40.46]) > > by missouri.mcn.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA08463 > > for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:40:00 -0600 (MDT) > >Message-Id: <199805291240.GAA08463@missouri.mcn.net> > >From: "NCC2000" > >To: > >Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient > >Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 06:39:25 -0600 > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Priority: 3 > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BD8ACC.85C6C640" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Sender: owner-movies@lists.xmission.com > >Precedence: bulk > >Reply-To: movies@lists.xmission.com > > > >Well, I don't consider myself that old (I'm am only 24). IMHO, a much > >better movie that is in a similar category as Trainspotting was Clerks. > A > >great garage movie by then unknown Kevin Smith. Another good movie by > Smith > >was Chasing Amy. Of course he did do Mallrats, but let's just pretend > that > >movie never happened. > > > >---------- > >> From: GeminiJef@aol.com > >> To: movies@lists.xmission.com > >> Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient > >> Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 5:58 AM > >> > >> In a message dated 98-05-26 22:57:34 EDT, you write: > >> > >> << I disagree with you on this one. I thought Unforgiven and The > English > >> Patient were extremely well done and well deserving of their Oscar > >praise. > >> > >> One of the most overpraised movies I have seen has got to be > >Trainspotting. > >> I heard nothing but positive reviews from the critics about this > movie, > >but > >> after watching it I can honestly say I think it is one of the worst > >movies > >> of the decade. >> > >> > >> Perhaps you should join the Academy and hang out with the members and > >discuss > >> denture cream tips . . . and how these "new avant garde punk kids" > don't > >know > >> how to make really good movies like the days of yore when you were a > kid > >. . . > >> . > >> :-) > >> > >> [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe > movies" > >] > >> [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com > ] > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > > > > > > > > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom J. O'Neil" Subject: RE: [MV] Matt Dillons First?? Date: 29 May 1998 14:43:27 -0500 Speaking of Matt Dillon. Will everyone agree that Wild Things was bad. Not that I didn't mind looking at Denise Richards... [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Davick Publishing Subject: Re: [MV] Matt Dillons First?? Date: 29 May 1998 13:17:13 -0700 I'll agree that this isn't Oscar material, but, it did have some interesting and unexpected plot twists. On another note, I recently watched The Horse Whisperer. Did anyone else see it yet? I thought the cinematography was beautiful. The characters were lacking something that I just can't put my finger on. And once again the ending had been changed from the book's ending, something of a pet peeve for me. Tom J. O'Neil wrote: > > Speaking of Matt Dillon. Will everyone agree that Wild Things was bad. > Not that I didn't mind looking at Denise Richards... > > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Diane Christy Subject: Re: [MV] Matt Dillons First?? Date: 29 May 1998 16:07:44 -0500 On 5/29/98, 3:17 PM -0500, Davick Publishing said so nicely: >On another note, I recently watched The Horse Whisperer. Did anyone else >see it yet? I thought the cinematography was beautiful. The characters >were lacking something that I just can't put my finger on. And once >again the ending had been changed from the book's ending, something of a >pet peeve for me. My mom saw the movie and she said it was really good. She had read the book and hated it. So she was pleased with the way they changed it. I haven't seen it or read the book. This all comes from my mom. ~~~~~ Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom) Jefferson, LA http://www.geocities.com/~dchristy10/ mailto:dchristy10@earthlink.net mailto:DChristy1@aol.com on AOL Instant Messenger on PeopleLink http://www.peoplelink/v1/ ICQ #12904700 ~~~~~ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARY ZEIG Subject: [MV] DRUGSTORE COWBOY Date: 29 May 1998 16:27:29 -0400 Wasn't this a great, great movie? When people ask me to list the best little or lesser known movies, this one always seems to come near the top. I thought the actors gave it all they had in this one. Any opinions? GRZ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Melody House Subject: Re: [MV] The Absent Minded Professor vs. Flubber Date: 29 May 1998 16:53:34 -0500 At 11:21 PM 5/28/98 -0400, you wrote: >Speaking of remakes/ derivations from earlier film which version of this >story do you guys and girls prefer? >And why? > > >Gary Gary, I liked the first version but maybe it's because I'm an old codger of 35! :) "Flubber" had some cute moments, but over-all, moments seemed to be all it had. Melody > > > >[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] >[ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Andrews Subject: Re: [MV] Matt Dillons First?? Date: 29 May 1998 14:14:24 -0800 > Wasn't that Gunsmoke? :) > On Friday, May 29, 1998 11:57 AM, Chris Culligan > [SMTP:culligan@hotmail.com] wrote: > > Does anyone remember the name of the movie were a very young Matt > Dillon > > led a pack of suburbon youths in rebellious angst? I think it was his > > first picture. I can't remember the name of the movie but I do > remember > > it was very good. The thing I remember most about it was the group of > > kids finding a gun and the tension that was created by the fact that > you > > never knew what they might do with the gun. Very disturbing. I also > > could relate to it from the perspective that the kids reminded me > > somewhat of my own friends when I was about that age. Does anyone > > remember the name of this movie with Matt Dillon?? It may be another > > one I consider for puchase in addition to "Rumble Fish". > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe > movies" ] > > [ (without the quotes) to > majordomo@xmission.com ] > > > > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" > ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com > ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Culligan Subject: Re: [MV] the new "Godzilla" -Reply -Reply Date: 29 May 1998 18:25:48 -0400 At 12:14 PM 5/29/98 -0700, you wrote: I haven't seen this movie yet, but I've heard a lot of talk about this movie being all monster and no story. Have these critics actually sat through an entire Godzilla movie before?? Does Godzilla fight some other monster in this updated version?? If not, perhaps that's what this movie needed to make it more true to the original. There's nothing like watching Godzilla kick the butt off some hapless King Kong or Turtle Monster. It's like All-Star wrestling except the fat, muscle guys are replaced with real-live fake monsters!! Oh no! There goes Toyko! Go Go Godzilla!!! > >yeah, Godzilla is a movie icon, but I thought the movie was a step away >from that (like Gary's opinion of Leo in american psycho?=) I just >thought the movie was a lot of fun and I actually liked having Godzilla >just a big animal... and it being a big animal fit in with everything >Matthew Broderick's character did... > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: [MV] Kundun & Streets of Fire Date: 29 May 1998 20:20:39 EDT Masako, you wrote: << I'm a new in this list and this is my first time to send a message.>> This is also the first message I am sending on this list. <> My favorite (sort of) recent movie is 'Kundun', Martin Scorcese's spectacular film about Tibet. Brad Pitt starred in the other film about Tibet that came out at the same time. 'Kundun' is visually stunning and a joy to watch. My favorite film of all time is 'Streets of Fire' starring Michael Parre, Diane Lane, Willem Defoe, Rick Moranis and Amy Maddigan. It showed the potential of these stars early in their careers, before they became more famous. It is an super-exciting Rock 'n Roll adventure movie, and the music, the writing, the casting, the acting, the editing, Everything about it made me treasure it and watch it on video again and again. <> Your English is fine and it is a lot better than my Japanese. [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: [MV] Phil Hartman-Leonardo Date: 29 May 1998 20:26:52 EDT << ABYRNE@ie.oracle.com what character was he in the simpsons? >> Mr. ABYRNES was Homer Simpson's boss and his voice was supplied by Harry Shearer. Or was the character named Mr. Burns? As Gilda Radner often said on Saturday Night Live: Never mind. [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Dequina Subject: [MV] The Movie Report#144, 5/29/98 Date: 29 May 1998 19:33:52 -0700 T H E M O V I E R E P O R T #144 MAY 29, 1998 Apologies for the one-day delay... *(another) IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT* Mr. Brown's Movie Site is on the move again... away from the shackles of Tripod. If you have bookmarked Mr. Brown's Movie Site or linked it from your own personal websites at _any_Tripod_address_, *please* change the URL to: http://welcome.to/mrbrown or its address at its new home: http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown If your site was linked on Movie Site Links, please e-mail me your site name and URL so I don't forget to include it on the new list. Thank you. =>T H I S W E E K<= M O V I E S -Still Breathing -Broadway Damage -Fallen Angels -Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas -The Opposite of Sex -Bulworth V I D E O -Deconstructing Harry -Desperate Measures -The Sweet Hereafter Select reviews are available at Hollywood Hotline on CompuServe and: http://www.HollywoodHotline.com ...on Albany Online at: http://www.AlbanyOnline.com ...and the Eyepiece Network at: http://www.eyepiece.com For links to the official websites of all the current films, past reviews, exclusive Hollywood event photos, movie discussion board, movie theme MIDI files, and more, visit Mr. Brown's Movie Site at: http://welcome.to/mrbrown Please don't forget to sign the guestbook... all movies graded out of four stars (****) ~~~ =>M O V I E S<= N E W R E L E A S E S Still Breathing (PG-13) *** A plot contrivance of mammoth proportions threatens to sink the romantic comedy _Still_Breathing_ just as it makes its first attempts to get off the ground. San Antonio, Texas street performer Fletcher McBracken (Brendan Fraser) somehow, someway sees a vision of one Roz Willoughby (Joanna Going) narrowly escaping a mugging attempt on a Hollywood street. Convinced that Roz is his soulmate--apparently, his father, grandfather, great-grandfather, and so on had envisioned their eventual wives before ever meeting them--Fletcher flies to the left coast to find her. This rather hard-to-swallow bit of magical realism, ironically enough, sets the stage for some very effective magic of a different sort--that of assured writing and direction, courtesy of first-timer James F. Robinson. It is revealed that Roz is far from the angel that Fletcher thinks she is; in fact, she is a con artist who teases and fleeces wealthy men, and she hooks up with Fletcher believing him to be a rich Texan mark set up by a friend (Ann Magnuson). While Roz's less-than-pure, emotionally detached nature is not the most original plot complication in and of itself, a complication stemming from this trait adds a fresh wrinkle to the formula. In most contemporary romantic comedies, the lovers fail to realize they are perfectly matched until the last reel. Here, Fletcher and even Roz recognize their unique compatibility fairly early on. So it is not a question as to whether Fletcher is the right guy for Roz--it's whether or not Roz, who has long renounced true love and emotion in favor of admittedly empty riches, is willing to allow herself such happiness. Roz's emotional predicament is brought to vivid, sometimes heartbreaking life by the luminous Going, of whom I've been a big fan since her television days (am I the only one who fondly remembers her work on the 1990 revival of _Dark_Shadows_?). She also shares a natural rapport with Fraser, who is her perfect screen complement. He has much less of a character to work with--Fletcher is simply a nice, somewhat naive romantic--but he fills in the blanks with an appealing dose of charisma and self-deprecating humor. Fraser's effortlessly charming performance makes it easy to see how Fletcher can win over a hard cynic like Roz. For all its freshness, _Still_Breathing_ ends up exactly where one would expect. But as with many journeys, the trip is more important than the ultimate destination, and the one taken by Roz and Fletcher is sweet, moving, and with an irresistible magic all its own. IN BRIEF Broadway Damage 1/2* Aspiring Broadway composer Robert (Aaron Williams) secretly carries a torch for his best friend, struggling actor Marc (Michael Shawn Lucas). The problem is, Marc only has eyes for "perfect 10s," which the geeky, insecure Robert certainly is not. Meanwhile, Marc's spoiled (hetero) female roommate, Cynthia (Mara Hobel), spends her days lying about their apartment and harrassing magazine editor Tina Brown. Writer-director Victor Mignatti's "very romantic comedy" (as the ad campaign states) is supposed to be (pardon the pun) a gay ol' romp, but it's hard to have much fun with these annoying, self-absorbed characters and their shallow personal problems: Marc and Cynthia have sitcom-level domestic "crises" (such as trying to kill bugs--how hilarious); Robert and Marc go to acting class (how riveting); the zaftig Cynthia goes on eating binges (how original). But more than anything else, the three whine. Constantly. Marc whines about his turbulent romance with an apparent "10," David (Hugh Panaro), the hunky musician from across the way; Robert whines about not being able to find the right guy; Cynthia whines about having to find a job (horrors). The terrible trio whine their way to a happy ending that is wholly undeserved. Add in overly broad performances and some laughable lipsynching by Panaro, and you're left with one astonishing piece of cinematic damage. Fallen Angels **** Hong Kong arthouse director Wong Kar-Wai's stylish and mesmerizing 1995 follow-up to his delightful, indescribable 1994 film _Chungking_Express_ can best be described as that film's flip side, following characters on the criminal end as opposed to the police officers in _Chungking_. However, the two films are very similar in structure and theme, telling two largely unrelated stories dealing with love, loss, and possible redemption. In one, a burnt-out hitman (Leon Lai) hooks up with a shrill, bleached-blonde eccentric (Karen Mok), unaware that his agent (Michele Reis) is infatuated with him. In another, a mute ex-con (Takeshi Kaneshiro of _Chungking_) falls for a bitter, recently jilted woman (Charlie Young) and spends lots of quality time with his father. _Angels_ takes other diversions from _Chungking_: with its increased violence and raunch factor (there is some pretty vigorous masturbation), the tone is considerably darker, and the two tales intertwine rather than tangentially intersect. But for all their differences, _Angels_ equals the poignance of the earlier film, and it boasts a terrific conclusion that satisfyingly wraps up both storylines. Although there are a number of amusing references to _Chungking_, one need not have seen it to enjoy _Angels_; still, as brilliantly done as it is, the film is definitely for more adventurous, art-minded moviegoers only. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (R) no stars Never mind the complaints that Hunter S. Thompson's cult novel was unfilmable--Terry Gilliam's resulting movie is flat-out unwatchable. Writer Raoul Duke (Johnny Depp) and his lawyer, Dr. Gonzo (a potbellied Benicio DelToro) take a work trip to Sin City that becomes one extended drug binge. End of story. A true theatre-clearer, _Fear_and_Loathing_ challenges Kenny G's recently-set Guinness Book record for longest sustained note: the two take drugs, and more, and more, and more, and... you get the picture. The monotony lasts an interminable two hours without approaching any semblance of a point. Gilliam comes up with an appropriately frenetic visual style, but before long it becomes more headache than head trip. The same can be said of the entire film. The Opposite of Sex (R) *** 1/2 Screenwriter Don Roos (_Single_White_Female_) makes a wickedly entertaining directorial debut with this wild, unflinching, and aggressively un-P.C. black comedy. An all-grown-up Christina Ricci plays 16-year-old hellion Dedee Truitt, who immediately up-ends a number of lives after leaving her mother's home in Louisiana and shacking up with her gay half-brother Bill (Martin Donovan) in Indiana. In no time, Dedee seduces Bill's young stud Matt (Ivan Sergei), gets knocked up, and takes off with Matt to California with the ashes of Bill's dead lover in tow (make that held hostage). When Bill, Tom's busybody sister Lucia (Lisa Kudrow), and town sheriff Carl (Lyle Lovett) follow their tracks, things get even crazier... ...but never lighter. Credit Roos for maintaining a scathing, pitch-black tone from first frame to last. There are times when events and characters threaten to soften up, and just when you think the film begins to grow a heart, it chews it up and spits it right back at you. This is perfectly exemplified by Dedee's tart, self-aware voiceover narration, which she uses to add the audience to her victims: she identifies and savages all manner of cinematic conventions and cliches only to use them as tools of manipulation. But meanness is just unpleasant if it isn't funny, and Roos's script is full of delicious zingers that not only bite but draw blood. A lot of these are capably dished out by the better-than-ever Ricci; however, the best lines come from the film's real star--and biggest surprise: Kudrow, whose Oscar-caliber work shows she can do more than play a ditz. The incessantly nagging bitch that is Lucia is not only the funniest in an ensemble of original, indelible, and well-played characters, and she quite handily takes over and walks off with the movie. IN CURRENT RELEASE Bulworth (R) *** Warren Beatty's first directorial effort since 1990's candy-colored, bitter tasting _Dick_Tracy_ is certainly an original: an audacious political satire in which the titular suicidal California senator (Beatty) gets a new lease on life, literally and politically, when he becomes a rapping, truth-telling voice for the disenfranchised--namely, African-Americans. The premise sounds wildly far-fetched on paper, and it still comes off as most unlikely onscreen, but it is one of the rare films that manages to courageously and seriously address political issues head-on while remaining a funny and entertaining romp (the gravely serious conclusion notwithstanding). Beatty's usual whitebread stiffness couldn't be more perfect for the unlikely hip-hopper, and his work is just one of the many terrific performances given by the ensemble, which also includes Paul Sorvino and a hilariously harried Oliver Platt. Although Beatty, who also conceived the story and co-scripted (with Jeremy Pikser), largely succeeds with this rather bold film, his work has a most ironic shortcoming. Both _Bulworth_ (the film) and Bulworth (the character) hope to speak for the African-American community, yet the African-American characters in the film--in particular a South Central L.A. drug dealer (Don Cheadle) and the alluring young woman (Halle Berry) who instigates Bulworth's turnaround and improbably becomes his romantic interest--are woefully underwritten and unconvincingly developed. (full reviews of the following in past MRs and at the listed URLs) -The Big Hit (R) ** 1/2 http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt32.html#bighit -The Butcher Boy (R) *** 1/2 http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt31.html#butcherboy -Chinese Box (R) ** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt30.html#chinesebox -City of Angels (PG-13) ** 1/2 http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt31.html#angels -Deep Impact (PG-13) *** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt33.html#impact -Go Now *** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt33.html#gonow -Godzilla (PG-13) ** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt34.html#godzilla -He Got Game (R) *** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt33.html#hegotgame -The Horse Whisperer (PG-13) * 1/2 http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt34.html#horse -Les Miserables (PG-13) *** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt32.html#lesmiz -The Object of My Affection (R) *** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt33.html#affection -Quest for Camelot (G) ** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt34.html#quest -Sliding Doors (PG-13) *** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt33.html#doors -The Spanish Prisoner (R) *** 1/2 http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt31.html#prisoner -Titanic (PG-13) **** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt26.html#titanic -Two Girls and a Guy (R) ** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt31.html#2girls -Woo (R) ** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt33.html#woo O N T H E H O R I Z O N OPENED WEDNESDAY Go Now *** Making its belated Los Angeles bow this week is Michael Winterbottom's sensitive 1995 drama in which a British couple's (Robert Carlyle and Juliet Aubrey) lives are turned upside down when one develops multiple sclerosis. I Got the Hook-Up (R) Comedy in which two small-time hoods (Master P. and A.J. Johnson) sell stolen cellular phones in the 'hood. FRIDAY Almost Heroes (PG-13) Chris Farley's final film casts the late comedian and Matthew Perry as two inept explorers. Broadway Damage 1/2* Victor Mignatti's charmless comedy about three whiny dreamers opens exclusively in New York this week. Hope Floats (PG-13) Sandra Bullock stars as a single mother trying to rebuild her life in her hometown in this chick flick from director Forest Whitaker. Harry Connick Jr. and Gena Rowlands also star. The Last Days of Disco (R) The first of the summer's two indie glitter-ball-era-set films (the other being August's _54_) is Whit Stillman's portrait of nightclub-hopping college grads in the early 1980s. Chloe Sevigny and Kate Beckinsale star. Little Boy Blue (R) Noirish melodrama in which a 19-year-old (Ryan Phillippe) tries to break free from his angry Vietnam vet father (John Savage). The Mighty Kong (G) It's a sad season for monster movie icons. First Roland Emmerich and Dean Devlin's overblown, underthought _Godzilla_, and now this "animated musical for the entire family" starring... King Kong? ~~~ =>V I D E O<= N E W T H I S W E E K Deconstructing Harry (R) *** Woody Allen garnered yet another Best Original Screenplay nod for this amusing comedy about the life, loves, and imagination of a thoroughly unpleasant writer (Allen, natch). (New Line Home Video) Desperate Measures (R) * 1/2 Ludicrous thriller in which FBI agent Andy Garcia turns to a convicted killer (Michael Keaton) to donate bone marrow to his dying son. (Columbia TriStar Home Video) The Sweet Hereafter (R) **** Atom Egoyan was awarded two well-deserved Oscar nominations (for Best Director and Best Adapted Screenplay) for his dark and elegant adaptation of Russell Banks's novel about a small town grieving over a tragic school bus accident. Ian Holm was unjustly denied a Best Actor nomination for his implosive performance as a vengeful lawyer. (New Line Home Video) A L S O N E W T H I S W E E K Love Walked In (R) Musicians/lovers Denis Leary and Aitana Sanchez-Gijon are enlisted to catch Terence Stamp in the extramarital act in this drama from director Juan J. Campanella. (Columbia TriStar Home Video) Ponette Acclaimed French drama about a four-year-old girl (Victoire Thivisol) coping with the death of her mother. (Fox Lorber Home Video) Star Kid (PG) From the do-they-really-think-kids-will-eat-this-shit-up department comes this sci-fi fantasy in which a bullied boy (Joseph Mazzello) forms a friendship with a robotic suit from outer space. (Trimark Home Video) ~~~ =>N E X T W E E K<= More reviews, including: -Hope Floats (postponed from this week) -A Perfect Murder -The Truman Show 'til then... __________________________________________________________ Michael Dequina Chat Forum Host, The Official Michael Jordan Web Site http://jordan.sportsline.com mj23@michaeljordanfan.com michael_jordan@geocities.com | mrbrown@ucla.edu >My personal WWW sites< Mr. Brown's Movie Site: http://welcome.to/mrbrown Michael Jordan Beyond the Court: http://fly.to/michaeljordan A Michael Jordan Fan's Heartbreak: http://fly.to/mj23 Personal Page: http://welcome.to/w3md >Other WWW sites I work on< CompuServe Hollywood Hotline: http://www.HollywoodHotline.com Albany Online: http://www.AlbanyOnline.com Eyepiece Network: http://www.eyepiece.com "I didn't know what to expect. It's like something you chase for so long, but then you don't know how to react when you get it. I still don't know how to react." --Michael Jordan, on winning his first NBA championship in 1991 ...or, my thoughts after meeting him on November 21, 1997 __________________________________________________________ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Garrett Winters Subject: RE: [MV] Matt Dillons First?? Date: 30 May 1998 10:15:47 +0100 Gregory Swarthout writes >The Internet Movie Database (www.imdb.com) lists "Over the Edge" (1979) as >Dillon's first. The plot summary is as follows: > I remember this one well having seen it only a few years ago but damned if I could remember the name. I enjoyed most of Dillons early stuff ( in fact I enjoy the acting of all of his family). Garrett [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard J. Doyle" Subject: RE: RE: [MV] Phil Hartman-Leonardo Date: 30 May 1998 11:15:14 -0500 Yep, really sad news. Personally, I believe they'll leave out Troy McClure and Lionel Hutz, which will hurt the movie. Richard J. Doyle Access & Visual Basic Developer CRW Systems rdoyle29@msn.com ICQ# 9867240 Something for nothing. It can all be yours. Everything you know IS true. "Bob" is the proof. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Garrett Winters Sent: Friday, May 29, 1998 12:43 PM Richard J Doyle writes >Phil Hartman was Troy McClure and Lionel Hutz. His one-shot voices include >Moses, Lyle Lanley (the monorail salesman), and Earl Conover (Undersecretary >of State in the episode where the Simpsons go to Australia). Now there is the sad news of his murder ( I'm assuming it is the same Hartman) so obviously those characters will need to be revoiced for the movie or left out entirely. RIP Garrett [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: [MV] Unforgiven: Unforgivable Date: 30 May 1998 18:10:22 EDT In a message dated 98-05-27 11:50:12 EDT, you write: << I have to disagree with the criticism of The Unforgiven. I think Eastwood created one of the best Westerns ever made. In fact I rented it again this weekend. The movie turns the genre upside down and allows us to imagine what happens to all of those gunslingers that lived to settle down. But most importantly it made real the effect of killing a man and stripped it of its romance. As much as I love action films with big guns and explosions (nothing Freudian here) it never hurts to be reminded of reality. >> "Unforgiven" was like the Robert Altman Western: Long, Boring, and trying to be A Day in the Life. I don't know about the rest of the movie-going public, but i always loved the fact that when you went to the theatre, it was to see a slice of the abstractions of life; not something you could sit home and watch in your kitchen or out your back window. Sure, killing people's bad. I think that's probably a given. And although documentaries and biographies are swell entertainment for some folk, i'll stick to my world of Fantasy and be "reminded of reality" when i leave the theatre. [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: [MV] Foreign Flicks Date: 30 May 1998 18:22:18 EDT In a message dated 98-05-28 01:49:15 EDT, you write: << Then again, I am a huge Luc Besson fan. I could watch La Femme Nikita anytime. (and because of this, cannot stand Point of No Return). The Professional (released outside of North America as Leon) was another classic. >> One film (from France) which really blew me away was "The City of Lost Children" (aka 'La Ville des Enfants Perdues') It's set in a very Kafkaesque Post Apocolyptic City and the direction is a lot like that of Terry Gilliam (Brazil & 12 Monkeys). It's about a mad scientist who is unable to dream and so kidnaps children from the city and steals their dreams with the help of his clone henchman. It's an amazing spectacle and a fantastical sci-fi tale. It was produced and directed by the makers of "Delicatessen" which is another gem, although it's about cannibalism in a small French village which has no other source of food nor nutrition. City of Lost Children is available with subtitles, and also with a suprisingly good dubbed version as well! [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: [MV] English Patient -Reply Date: 30 May 1998 18:26:15 EDT In a message dated 98-05-28 10:55:57 EDT, you write: << Matt Damon CREATED Good Will Hunting. Leo just acted in Titanic. Gary >> Are you saying acting is not a talent? [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARY ZEIG Subject: [MV] Christina Ricci!!! Date: 31 May 1998 01:33:13 -0400 Is it just me, or does she have tremendous potential to be a big star someday? Gary [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "NCC2000" Subject: Re: [MV] Christina Ricci!!! Date: 31 May 1998 01:03:16 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BD8C2F.E47709C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you like Christina Ricci check out The Ice Storm. Outstanding performances by Ricci, Kevin Kline, Sigourney Weaver, and Elijah Wood. A must see. 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[ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michela Steele Subject: [MV] City of Angels Date: 31 May 1998 12:02:17 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D6051D7227AD48AEB52352E8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I havent herd any opions on this movie .. I thought it was a excelent movie .. as my other half called it, a real tear jerker .. am i the only one that liked this show or has no one seen it yet?? --------------D6051D7227AD48AEB52352E8 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Michela Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Michela n: ;Michela email;internet: michs@onr.com x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------D6051D7227AD48AEB52352E8-- [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Landa Subject: Re: [MV] City of Angels Date: 31 May 1998 10:14:00 -0700 Hi Michela I saw "City of Angels" a few weeks ago and it is one of the best movies I have seen in along time. I also saw "Godzilla" and "Fear and loathing in Las Vegas" and the only one I would care to watch over again is "City of Angels"...I liked it a lot and Meg Ryan and Nicholas Cage were excellent!!! This movie actually had a story line and held my attention.....Landa:-) > I havent herd any opions on this movie .. I thought it was a excelent > movie .. as my other half called it, a real tear jerker .. am i the > only > one that liked this show or has no one seen it yet?? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Michela > > Michela > > Netscape Conference Address > Netscape Conference DLS Server > Additional Information: > Last Name > First Name Michela > Version 2.1 [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: [MV] City of Angels Date: 31 May 1998 13:20:30 EDT In einer eMail vom 31.05.98 18:05:21 MEZ, schreiben Sie: << Datum: 31.05.98 18:05:21 MEZ From: michs@onr.com (Michela Steele) Sender: owner-movies@lists.xmission.com Reply-to: movies@lists.xmission.com To: movies@lists.xmission.com (movies@lists.xmission.com) I havent herd any opions on this movie .. I thought it was a excelent movie .. as my other half called it, a real tear jerker .. am i the only one that liked this show or has no one seen it yet?? >> Hi, i watched this movie a few weeks ago and i really like this movie. especially because of meg ryan, one of my favorite actors. and nicholas cage is really good. the best of the movie is the end. this was the right end that she died because of the circumstances of the movie and the love. roby [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tonya!!! =)" Subject: Re: [MV] trainspotting, clerks, and mallrats Date: 31 May 1998 12:40:22 -0500 I liked Mallrats a lot. I thought it was very funny and entertaining. I haven't yet seen Trainspotting, though I want to! I heard Johnny Lee Miller was excellent in it. Speaking of him, has anyone seen Hackers? I thought that movie was pretty good too. My first impression of it was that it was boring, but I was completely wrong! -Tonya [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tonya!!! =)" Subject: [MV] Fear, Birdcage Date: 31 May 1998 12:51:07 -0500 One of my favorite movies is Fear, starring Reese Witherspoon and Mark Wahlberg. I haven't heard any discussion about this movie. I know it didn't have Oscar-potential, but not all good movies do. I thought it was a very good movie. It kept my attention the whole way through. The ending was a bit fake though. It is a total "teenager/other young peoples" movie, because the stars of it are teenagers. It is about a relationship gone bad because the girl picked the wrong guy. It had up-to-date features and procedures! Any comments?? I recently saw The Birdcage. I thought that this movie dragged on. I couldn't get into it. I am not saying that I totally hate it, but it was a little less than I expected! Any thoughts to this one? I also recently say 'Til There Was You. This was a sweet movie. It didn't have any real huge stars, but was very romantic. It was interesting too. Opinions?? -Tonya [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tonya!!! =)" Subject: [MV] Post response to my "Fear" email Date: 31 May 1998 13:05:05 -0500 (I forgot to say this in my email where I talked about Fear): Speaking of Reese Witherspoon, I haven't heard any discussion about her. I personally like her, I think she has a lot of potential. Any comments?? -Tonya [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phoenix" Subject: Re: [MV] Fear, Birdcage Date: 31 May 1998 16:26:38 -0300 -----Original Message----- >One of my favorite movies is Fear, starring Reese Witherspoon and Mark >Wahlberg. I haven't heard any discussion about this movie. I know it >didn't have Oscar-potential, but not all good movies do. I thought it was a >very good movie. It kept my attention the whole way through. The ending >was a bit fake though. It is a total "teenager/other young peoples" movie, >because the stars of it are teenagers. It is about a relationship gone bad >because the girl picked the wrong guy. It had up-to-date features and >procedures! Any comments?? > >-Tonya > I really enjoyed Fear. Which kind of surprised me, since I wasn't expecting much. Both Reese Witherspoon & Mark Wahlberg did great jobs. I do have to agree with you on the ending though -- it was a bit over the top. Phoenix [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phoenix" Subject: Re: [MV] Post response to my "Fear" email Date: 31 May 1998 16:36:45 -0300 -----Original Message----- >(I forgot to say this in my email where I talked about Fear): > >Speaking of Reese Witherspoon, I haven't heard any discussion about her. I >personally like her, I think she has a lot of potential. Any comments?? > > >-Tonya > Like I said in my reply to your Fear email, I liked Reese in fear. She certainly has talent, but I'm not so sure about her choices of movies. After seeing her in Freeway (possibly the worst film ever made) I'm surpised that she is still able to get a job. I havn't seen her latest, Twilight, but I have heard good things about it. Phoenix [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Blacknight Subject: Re: [MV] Fear, Birdcage Date: 01 Jun 1998 10:20:05 +0800 Tonya!!! =) wrote: > I also recently say 'Til There Was You. This was a sweet movie. It > didn't > have any real huge stars, but was very romantic. It was interesting > too. > Opinions?? > I would never have seen this movie if an officemate didn't told me. Really romantic.... Almost made me change my views on romance and love. blacknight [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Diane Christy Subject: Re: [MV] Fear, Birdcage Date: 31 May 1998 22:27:58 -0500 On 5/31/98, 12:51 PM -0500, Tonya!!! =) said so nicely: >I recently saw The Birdcage. I thought that this movie dragged on. I >couldn't get into it. I am not saying that I totally hate it, but it was a >little less than I expected! Any thoughts to this one? I LOVED the "Birdcage." I thought Nathan Lane was wonderful and he's gotten to be one of my favorite actors to watch. When my mom and I went to see this at the show, we couldn't stop laughing when Gene Hackman showed up the way he did at the end!!!! ~~~~~ Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom) Jefferson, LA http://www.geocities.com/~dchristy10/ mailto:dchristy10@earthlink.net mailto:DChristy1@aol.com on AOL Instant Messenger on PeopleLink http://www.peoplelink/v1/ ICQ #12904700 ~~~~~ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Diane Christy Subject: Re: [MV] Christina Ricci!!! Date: 31 May 1998 22:22:06 -0500 On 5/31/98, 12:33 AM -0500, GARY ZEIG said so nicely: >Is it just me, or does she have tremendous potential to be a big star someday? I agree with you. I think she's very good!! ~~~~~ Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom) Jefferson, LA http://www.geocities.com/~dchristy10/ mailto:dchristy10@earthlink.net mailto:DChristy1@aol.com on AOL Instant Messenger on PeopleLink http://www.peoplelink/v1/ ICQ #12904700 ~~~~~ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Diane Christy Subject: [MV] horse whisperer Date: 31 May 1998 22:32:30 -0500 I just saw this movie this afternoon and I thought it was wonderful!! It was a bit slow in a couple of places, but on the whole I really loved it. The cinematography alone is enough to see this movie. I see a nomination for the camer work. I heard that the story was very different in the movie from the book. All I know is that I loved the movie and the way they used the training of the horses as a metaphor for completion. It was extremely profound!! I highly recommend it!! ~~~~~ Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom) Jefferson, LA http://www.geocities.com/~dchristy10/ mailto:dchristy10@earthlink.net mailto:DChristy1@aol.com on AOL Instant Messenger on PeopleLink http://www.peoplelink/v1/ ICQ #12904700 ~~~~~ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mel Eperthener Subject: Re: [MV] Fear, Birdcage Date: 01 Jun 1998 00:02:03 -0400 At 12.51 PM 31/05/98 -0500, Tonya!!! =) wrote: >I recently saw The Birdcage. I thought that this movie dragged on. I >couldn't get into it. I am not saying that I totally hate it, but it was a >little less than I expected! Any thoughts to this one? I was very disappointed in this movie. Nathan Lane is a GREAT actor. He is to Broadway what Robin Williams is to Hollywood. In addition, I laughed at every scene in the previews (trailer, commercials, etc). I was this close >< to going to see it in the theatre. Unfortunately, when I did see the movie, the ONLY scenes that made me laugh were the ones that were in the previews. What really hurt was that you had two comic genuses working with brilliant material (this was basically a remake of La Cage aux Folles. Hey didn't we just have a discussion of this??:-), and there was just so much potential. And the thing literally bombed. At least that is my opinion. Regards, --Mel --Mel Eperthener president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty email: bcassidy@usaor.net gowanna@australiamail.com http://www.webz.com/gowanna 419 Butler Street PO Box 95184 Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184 (412) 781-6140 (412) 781-6380 1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE ____________________________________________ That was a wicked googly! --Jerry Seinfeld, AMEX commercial ______________________________________________ [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin R." Subject: Re: [MV] City of Angels Date: 01 Jun 1998 00:47:54 -0500 This movie is not at the top of my list of ones to see, but I really wish you hadn't given the ending away. Please be more considerate in the future. Kevin Robyhk28@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > i watched this movie a few weeks ago and i really like this movie. especially > because of meg ryan, one of my favorite actors. and nicholas cage is really > good. the best of the movie is the end. this was the right end that she died > because of the circumstances of the movie and the love. > > roby > > [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] -- "I can be anything I want...except an engineer." -Brett Favre [ To quit the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe movies" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ]