From: "Dr.Winston O'Boogie" Subject: (orb) The Orb-Pomme Fritz.mpg Date: 01 Sep 2000 19:27:26 +0200 I upped The Orb-Pomme Fritz.mpg the the OAA 70MB check it out! Best Regards, Dr.Winston O'Boogie [Dwb] =AE www.uf-orb.com . u.f.orb@telia.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stratton, Jeff" Subject: hate to seem ignorant - new to the list - RE: (orb) The Orb-Pomme Date: 01 Sep 2000 12:57:17 -0600 where can these mpg's be found? I upped The Orb-Pomme Fritz.mpg the the OAA 70MB check it out! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Seofon / ATOI" Subject: Re: (orb) Andy Hughes Date: 01 Sep 2000 14:07:24 PDT >So Andy wrote Cydonia. It seems like a pattern forming here. In past >messages on this list I have heard that Alex only contributes to the music >by adding samples and mixing after everything else is done. Maybe this is >why Jimi Cauty removed all his additions to Space and left Alex with many >demos that would become songs on ABTU. As the story goes Cauty only >considered Alex a DJ and nothing more. Does anyone know why Thrash left. >I'm sure this will initiate some stimulating conversation. I feel that I can comment on this, as my impression of the way that LX works with his cohorts is that it is very much similar to the way that Richard Sun and I work in ATOI. To step back a moment, the status of one person being writer, producer, and performer is very much a modern phenomenon. Back in the day, one guy wrote the lyrics, another guy wrote the music, another guy sang them, and yet another guy sat behind the mixing board. I think it's hard to argue that there is something wrong with this. Different people have different creative strengths, and it's best to keep that focus. Richard -- and likewise, I would dare to say, LX -- is the director. He is the guy with the ideas, including the idea of what the finished product is supposed to sound like. Often, those ideas are represented by a set of samples that are featured in the song. He keeps the high-level focus and quality control throughout the entire creative process. I -- and likewise Thrash, Andy, etc. -- are the producers. We (try to) physically transduce the sounds that are in the director's head, and put his ideas into an attractive sonic package. We deal with details like untangling cables, wrangling with the computer, etc. For Richard to try to work all the machines would be a pointless distraction. Rather, like LX, he generally throws me samples and sounds which I then process into the mix. But to say that he's "just a DJ" is missing the point. For me, it's really valuable to have someone holding the original vision of the song so that I don't lose sight of it with all the distractions inherent in recording. It's not that I can't make music perfectly well on my own, but there's no way that I could have made ATOI music on my own. Richard kept me from lowering the bar, and stretched me to develop new sounds and techniques. My ultimate point is that both perspectives on this issue are correct. Thrash, Andy, et al. are perfectly competent musicians, and probably created most of the sounds that you hear on an Orb record. But for them to say that they alone made an Orb record is overstating the point. Without LX, "The Orb" as a vital, creative entity simply would not exist. -=Seofon Ambient Temple of Imagination http://www.a-toi.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: derrien@club-internet.fr Subject: (orb) Orb related releases Date: 01 Sep 2000 23:03:09 +0200 Robert Fripp released a new Frippertronic release but not on Discipline. It's called Fayman and Fripp : A temple in the clouds. http://www.tranceportation.com http://www.projekt.com I found a Youth remix at a really cheap price. The Chieftains featuring The Corrs : I know my love (Youth rhythm remix) 3.33 and I know my love (extended remix) 4.06 on a CD Single. And Paul Mc Cartney released : Liverpool Sound collage, a CD based on the remixes Super Furry animals did with Beatles sounds. It's a complete album with a strange track called Real gone dub made in manifest in the vortex of the eternal now (Youth) 16.37 Is it the Fireman part 3 or what ? Their first album together was crap, their second quite interesting. I'll let you know my feelings about that ASAP. http://www.liverpoolsoundcollage.com http://www.tate.org.uk/liverpool/displays/blake.mtm The whole album was engineered by Youth, Paul Hicks and Lord Doufus, and produced by Macca. JCFromParis On now : Groove Armada - If Everybody looked the same (Sth 3205 12" EDIT) "Don't you see? We're all in hell. I'm the only one who knows it." (Pam in The XFiles - Monday) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) Andy Hughes Date: 01 Sep 2000 17:51:44 -0400 Richard -- and likewise, I would dare to say, LX -- is the director. He is the guy with the ideas, including the idea of what the finished product is supposed to sound like.. >>Writing a song and making a movie are 2 different things. >>I would think envisioning how a track should sound or what it should be composed of would be hard considering the "director" isn't writing it. >>It's not like directing a movie were there is a script to follow and the idea is already set. But to say that he's "just a DJ" is missing the point. For me, it's really valuable to have someone holding the original vision of the song so that I don't lose sight of it with all the distractions inherent in recording. It's not that I can't make music perfectly well on my own, but there's no way that I could have made ATOI music on my own. Richard kept me from lowering the bar, and stretched me to develop new sounds and techniques. >>I think any one who is creative enough to write a phat riff is capable of holding their OWN vision on how their music should sound. It is a matter of self confidence and motivation. >>I am not saying the way you and Richard's approach to making music is wrong - I just think anyone capable of making music is capable of deciding how it's overall sound should end up as and should be able "direct" it's direction. Justin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryan Platte Subject: RE: (orb) Andy Hughes Date: 01 Sep 2000 17:29:01 -0500 >>I think any one who is creative enough to write a phat > riff is capable of holding their OWN vision on how their music should sound. > It is a matter of self confidence and motivation. I am not saying the way you > and Richard's approach to > making music is wrong - I just think anyone capable of making music is > capable of deciding how it's overall sound should end up as and should be > able "direct" it's direction. i have an ambient band too, and frankly, it's a lot more fun from BOTH ends if someone does the tinkering and someone else is back from the equipment a few steps, listening and thinking about the music. i don't mind either role, but i really don't do well with both at once. also, seofon mentioned that the music that came out of the collaboration required both he and richard, and this is an important point: with multiple musicians you can have synergy. i agree, writers and performers and producers and directors CAN all be the same person, but that doesn't mean they have to be! i think some of the orb's strongest qualities come from the fact that LX doesn't get into all the wirehead stuff, and does *listen*. which is what it's all about in the first place, isn't it? ryan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ovation15@aol.com Subject: RE: (orb) Andy Hughes Date: 01 Sep 2000 18:55:05 EDT i think you are missing the point, so i will clarify. about you saying anyone capable of writing the music can produce it also, and i believe if you read the previous comment, the person it sounds like your trying to disagree with said the exact same thing. i dont think the question is whether or not the writer "can" do it all, i think its "does this come out better with a writer and producer (or director whatever) working together?". i dont think its self confidence, i just think its wanting to get with another artist and create something wonderful together that neither of you could have done alone. as someone else said their would be no orb without alex. also id like to say i believe alex has written more material then you guys make it sound. even though andy has been the main writer for awhile now. gemini >>I think any one who is creative enough to write a phat riff is capable of holding their OWN vision on how their music should sound. It is a matter of self confidence and motivation. >>I am not saying the way you and Richard's approach to making music is wrong - I just think anyone capable of making music is capable of deciding how it's overall sound should end up as and should be able "direct" it's direction. Justin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "oobe" Subject: RE: (orb) Andy Hughes Date: 02 Sep 2000 02:35:12 -0500 Seofon: >----quote---- Richard -- and likewise, I would dare to say, LX -- is the director. He is the guy with the ideas, including the idea of what the finished product is supposed to sound like.. ---end quote---< very well said my friend. very well. Justin: there's a difference between creating a groovy melody or a killer riff and being able to craft it in such a way that it compliments what's going on around it, how much of it should be there, how loud it should be, which sounds to use to make it reach its full potential, the tempo, etc.... these things work better sometimes, and certainly in the case of the Orb, when the "director" takes control of the ship to shape the project. And this isn't to say that Kris or Andy did everything up to the end, upon which LX just put a simple spit shine on it and credited himself. It's a much more involved, collaborative, and concentrated effort between LX and his other partners during the writing, recording, mixing, and mastering. It's just the way it is. In short, LX is the man. He wouldn't be where he is today with out Kris, Andy, Thomas, etc..., but he's still the man. If this wasn't the case, then any tard could open up Band-in-a-Box and SF Acid and be a "musician/producer/writer/executive producer, etc.". This isn't reality (thank God). oobe www.oobe.org # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick King" Subject: (orb) Alex Paterson Real Audio File at Beta Lounge Date: 02 Sep 2000 14:21:52 +0100 From his show on 31/08/2000 at the Beta Lounge, San Francisco, Real Audio File at http://www.betalounge.com/homepage.html Superb! Nick King ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Hill Subject: Re: (orb) OT: Moby Selling Out Date: 02 Sep 2000 13:31:35 -0500 (CDT) > not to beat a dead horse, but I just saw a copy of Moby's latest cd, and > whoever claimed that his latest album was a sellout OBVIOUSLY hasn't read But then again there is Moby going on tour with Bush for MTV. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BluRoom@aol.com Subject: Re: (orb) Irresistible Force Date: 02 Sep 2000 16:08:22 EDT In a message dated 8/31/00 9:30:56 AM Central Daylight Time, vpfad1@scotus.sfcpa.edu writes: << Holy Hell! I just got "It's Tomorrow Already" by The Irresistible Force, and...WOW! Yesterday was a particularly stressful day, and when I came home, I reclined on my chair, put on the headphones, and fell asleep. Total and utter bliss, I can tell you. >> Thank you thank you thank you for writing about this disc. I became intrigued and went to check it out. It is truly awesome. The Orb list comes through once again, even if this isn't exactly about the Orb ;) Dan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Smiley" Subject: (orb) ORBULLETIN: FINAL (?) cydonia tracklisting... Date: 03 Sep 2000 14:37:42 +0100 # This is an Orb announcement from the ORBULLETINS mailing list. ORBULLETINS # help is available by emailing "info orbulletins" to majordomo@xmission.com. # We're now on the web at http://www.theorb.com just a little bit of quick news for y'all... afaik, the final tracklisting for 'cydonia' is as follows: 1. Once more 2. Promis 3. Ghostdancing 4. Turn it down 5. Egnable 6. Firestar 7. A mile long lump of lard 8. Centuries 9. Plum island 10. Hamlet of kings 11. 1,1,1 12. EDM 13. Thursdays keeper 14. Terminus so - no ralf, yungle, freely wheely or jam on yer honey (that appeared on v1/v2). the only other stuff i know, at present, is that: - the new tracks are all new tracks, and not renamed older tracks. - 'centuries' and 'plum island' are new VOCAL tracks - 'hamlet of kings' is 7+ minutes long, so not the one from the Randall & Hopkirk CD i'm trying to find out WHO is singing on the new vocal tracks, and to see how many 'old' tracks have been reworked...i would expect that a fair bit of re-jigging has gone on over the last year... more info as and when i have any... cheers, --- Smiley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ovation15@aol.com Subject: Re: (orb) ORBULLETIN: FINAL (?) cydonia tracklisting... Date: 03 Sep 2000 13:20:20 EDT :-) man im excited, whats the story on jam on yer honey? is it a good track, whats it like? In a message dated 9/3/00 11:57:43 AM Central Daylight Time, smileyweb@yahoo.co.uk writes: << # This is an Orb announcement from the ORBULLETINS mailing list. ORBULLETINS # help is available by emailing "info orbulletins" to majordomo@xmission.com. # We're now on the web at http://www.theorb.com just a little bit of quick news for y'all... afaik, the final tracklisting for 'cydonia' is as follows: 1. Once more 2. Promis 3. Ghostdancing 4. Turn it down 5. Egnable 6. Firestar 7. A mile long lump of lard 8. Centuries 9. Plum island 10. Hamlet of kings 11. 1,1,1 12. EDM 13. Thursdays keeper 14. Terminus so - no ralf, yungle, freely wheely or jam on yer honey (that appeared on v1/v2). the only other stuff i know, at present, is that: - the new tracks are all new tracks, and not renamed older tracks. - 'centuries' and 'plum island' are new VOCAL tracks - 'hamlet of kings' is 7+ minutes long, so not the one from the Randall & Hopkirk CD i'm trying to find out WHO is singing on the new vocal tracks, and to see how many 'old' tracks have been reworked...i would expect that a fair bit of re-jigging has gone on over the last year... more info as and when i have any... cheers, --- Smiley >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Subject: (orb) Alex@Knitting Factory Date: 03 Sep 2000 10:57:55 -0700 Just a quick mention that Alex was in top form Friday night at the Knitting Factory. He really had the place dancing. A very different set compared to last years Vynyl appearance. Thanks to Sarah for getting us Orb fans together. It was great meeting Tim, Pip and one other I don't remember the name. Alex signed for all, got irie with us and we all took him to his motel after the gig. He mentioned he would be back in LA in November touring with Juno Reactor. Something to look forward too! Did anyone attend Indio last night? Edward # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Moore Subject: Re: (orb) ORBULLETIN: FINAL (?) cydonia tracklisting... Date: 03 Sep 2000 21:48:29 +0100 >1. Once more >2. Promis >3. Ghostdancing >4. Turn it down >5. Egnable >6. Firestar >7. A mile long lump of lard >8. Centuries >9. Plum island >10. Hamlet of kings >11. 1,1,1 >12. EDM >13. Thursdays keeper >14. Terminus Some speculation then; with a tracklisting such as this, Cydonia "Final" could go (mainly) two ways: A) The good way, i.e. FFWD, where some of the tracks are small interconnecting pieces to keep the mix flowing (for cast-iron proof that this can really work, look no further than What Time Is Clock. Crazy, just like More Gills... and We're Pastie... wonderful stuff). B) The bad way, i.e. Orblivion, lots of smaller and less evolving tracks that will end up seeming disjointed and not going as far as they should. However despite the "serious re-jigging" mentioned, and going by Cydonia v1 (which I've listened to almost religiously) this most likely won't happen. Smiley, do you know which track was co-pro'd with Robert Fripp? Fingers crossed it's similar to FFWD... >so - no ralf, yungle, freely wheely or jam on yer honey (that appeared on >v1/v2). If/When possible Smiley, I'm sure we'd all love to know if these have gone for good, or if any will turn up as B-Sides. Although, considering that phat hard funky rhythm on Mile Long v1 sounds like Andy Hughes's input, I'm suprised that didn't go too (my point is this one's a serious re-mixing job if that _was_ his drumming). Yungle isn't a suprise either possibly for the same reasons. Also, you have to wonder what the v2 version of Jam On Yer Honey sounded like... >- 'centuries' and 'plum island' are new VOCAL tracks I'm sure there's going to be a few people shouting "oh for f*cks sake" at this, but as long as neither end up with an annoying Liverpudlian drawling all over them (*cough* S.A.L.T. *gack*), I'll be over the moon (by the sounds of it they are actual songs not spoken word pieces so that's something at least). Once More and Ghostdancing were HUGE highlights for me... Peace, Chis. chis:matrik | ambience & deep trance www.matrik.ndo.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jmzd4" Subject: (orb) the final tracklisting for 'cydonia' Date: 03 Sep 2000 21:19:41 -0400 thanx Smiley. Can't F@#!ing wait for it. Joshua # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kael Driscoll Subject: (orb) well said Date: 04 Sep 2000 12:58:28 +0800 >I feel that I can comment on this, as my impression of the way that LX works >with his cohorts is that it is very much similar to the way that Richard Sun >and I work in ATOI. top reply, seofon... a good way of explaining how this kind of system works It seems that if LX is "just a DJ" as some suggest, then why don't Andy etc just work solo and make "orb" albums another another name.... the answer is "synergy"... the whole is more than the sum of the parts. cheers KL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jmzd4" Subject: (orb) Jam on yer honey Date: 04 Sep 2000 07:52:47 -0400 Is Jam On Yer Honey available on the OAA? I looked and looked, but to no avail. :( thanx in advance :) Joshua & Melissa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vince Frank" Subject: Re: (orb) Irresistible Force & scary stuff.... Date: 04 Sep 2000 09:54:41 -0500 > In a message dated 8/31/00 9:30:56 AM Central Daylight Time, > vpfad1@scotus.sfcpa.edu writes: > > << Holy Hell! I just got "It's Tomorrow Already" by The Irresistible > Force, and...WOW! Yesterday was a particularly stressful > day, and when I came home, I reclined on my chair, put on the > headphones, and fell asleep. Total and utter bliss, I can tell > you. > >> > > Thank you thank you thank you for writing about this disc. I became intrigued > and went to check it out. It is truly awesome. The Orb list comes through > once again, even if this isn't exactly about the Orb ;) > Dan ===>Heh, you know, I think I've finally found a cd that my daughter *doesn't* like. I was playing the cd on Saturday morning, and the third track came on. That creepy guy's voice that is sampled sent her running from the room, screaming in terror! The guy is talking about about opium or something like that, but it *is* really kind of a strange voice. You know, it sorta sounds like Tommy Chong (as in Cheech & Chong), but slowed down a little bit...or someone from the early 80s cartoon, _Heavy Metal_ ("Oh, woooow! Good nyborg(?), maaaan!"). Funny at normal speed; downright ominous when slowed up.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vince Frank" Subject: (orb) Sellout enigma.... Date: 04 Sep 2000 10:37:26 -0500 0100,0100,0100I'm somewhat puzzled by all this complaining about "selling out." If only a relative handful of people know about an artist (e.g., The Orb, Banco de Gaia, et al.), then we complain that they are not getting the exposure they deserve. On the other hand, if they DO get a ton of exposure (e.g., "LFC" on a Volkswagen commercial), then we complain that they've sold out. I personally used to complain all the time about things like this. Metallica was the best example here: they achieved world-wide success WITHOUT radio play or MTV exposure. When the song "One" (I think that was the name) became an MTV hit, I went nuts, bitching up a storm about how Metallica sold out. But I overreacted. Don't get me wrong--I still hate that song with a passion. And I STILL think Metallica's best albums were released prior to _And Justice For All_ (particularly _Master of Puppets_). BUT, saying "they sold out" is ludicrous. Metallica still rocks; they still pack a solid punch. Maybe their newer albums are better produced than the older albums, but so what? It just means that many more people are being exposed to something that's pretty good, rather than having to know only the mediocre or the *bottom-of-the-cesspool-abomination*! I said it before, and I'll say it again: there is nothing at all wrong or immoral with someone making a lot of money by marketing his or her music to the masses, as long as it is of high quality. Now, if you REALLY want something to complain about, just turn on any commercial radio station: the music SUCKS, and I mean so bad than I don't think the state of commercial *AM* radio was that bad, even during the 1970s...hell, I'd rather listen to Debbie Boone or Peter Frampton than commercial radio today--at least the music in the 1970s had a melody, for crying out loud.... My point (I think there *is* one here) is this: I'd rather listen to a so-called "commercial" release by Moby, or the Orb, or FSOL any day over the latest crap by whoever is on the radio right now (Brittney Spears, the Backstreet Boys, Chritina Aguilero (or whatever her name is), and so on)--I mean, I can't even tell today's mainstream "artists" apart from one another--they all sound alike! (At least no one would mistake Debbie Boone for Debbie Harry, or Peter Frampton for Peter Gabriel.) ;-) 'Nuff said. Vince (there--I didn't complain about the Orb--I defended them!) :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben in Space Subject: Re: (orb) Sellout enigma.... Date: 04 Sep 2000 11:59:53 -0400 (EDT) sorry vince, but I disagree with your last letter. I cannot agree with the fact that you use metallica as an example of a band that hasn't sold out. To me, selling out is when an artist/band is more intent on how many records they sell rather than what _kind_ of records they sell. I don't know if this is Lars' solo project, but seeing a quad platinum artist sitting in front of the same old rich white men that would have banned his music 10 years ago _BITCHING_ about how some poor kid managed to get his hands on a song without paying that already has 10000 times more airplay than ANYTHING we'd listen to... _that_ is selling out. > like this. Metallica was the best example here: they > achieved world-wide success WITHOUT radio play or > _Master of Puppets_). BUT, saying "they sold out" is ludicrous (sorry for truncation of sentence) Metallica didn't reach worldwide success until the release of Justice... they had a huge following out in LA and in the US, but they weren't playing shows in prague and red square and japan like they did after the ONE video... granted i don't consider world touring to be selling out. The sellout came when load hit the racks at an MSRP of 18.99. The sellout came when the concert tix cost $45 for lawn. The sellout came when they started to rehash old songs just to fill their albums. And (most importantly) it came when the market seemed to get flooded with Metallica Toothbrushes, Rain-Ponchos, Candy, etc... when the Brand Name appeared on every last product you could think of, for a band that already has global recognition. Wow.... /rant >Maybe their newer albums are better produced >than the older albums, but so what? production != (does not equal) selling out. many albums from bands that will never ever see gold records I consider to be some of the finest bits of production work EVER. Andrea Parker? Mindless Self Indulgence? Flaming Lips? I'd take their engineering skills over bob rock or whatever cut-and-dry asshole metallica has turning the knobs of their $200000 console. Of course their production value has raised. If I had their money, mine would too... but what they have in production seems to have been siphoned from their creative talent. So they can play power chords. wow. So kirk hammet has arthritis and can barely solo anymore but they can simulate it with protools... (actually that's kinda cool)... but their music is dying slowly. The production on say, call of Cthulu is much more creative than "hero of the day"... load and reload were just fixed-eq "metal country"... not an attempt to break new ground like previous releases. >hell, I'd rather listen to Debbie Boone or Peter Frampton than commercial >radio today--at least the music in the 1970s had a melody, for crying out >loud.... No arguement here... I'd rather listen to comm radio of 1986 than anything else anyway (but i'm a freak) >My point (I think there *is* one here) is this: I'd rather listen to >a so-called "commercial" release by Moby, or the Orb, or >FSOL any day over the latest crap by whoever is on the >radio right now (Brittney Spears, the Backstreet Boys, >Chritina Aguilero (or whatever her name is), and so on)--I mean, Amen to this, although I consider it unfair to group christina aguilera in with the rest of them. I don't dig her style, but she has _much_ more natural talent than britney, whose producers use pitch synthesis to "perfect" her voice. At least C.A. writes her own material and works on engineering (which is occasionally creative). I'm not gonna buy her records, but I do wish her well. Also, what is a "commercial release" ? Simply because moby's play has been used for what seems like every movie preview for the past 2 years doesn't mean he made it for that purpose. It just ended up being a dang good album. On the other hand, the commercial success and integration of metallica's S&M was probably written out before the tracks were even cut. They are more of a moneymaking venture than musicians now, and it's time to let them go... >I can't even tell today's mainstream "artists" >apart from one another--they all sound alike! (At least no one would >mistake Debbie Boone for Debbie Harry, or Peter Frampton for >Peter Gabriel.) ;-) 'tis because nobody's doing their own instrumentals/arrng. anymore. I think Britney and N*sync have the same engineers... or the same software... but could you tell debbie hairy from Blondie? HA! :P wow. Sorry for the mass lengthyness... I just couldn't keep quiet here, and I really don't care about the whole LX/andy thing... other than i hope the orb's new sound will rock me as much as previously. Ben in Space # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "E O" Subject: Re: (orb) Jam on yer honey Date: 04 Sep 2000 16:00:02 GMT Also, Lazlo lists a piece called Bicycles & Tricycles... Does anybody have that? -Eric ----Original Message Follows---- Is Jam On Yer Honey available on the OAA? I looked and looked, but to no avail. :( thanx in advance :) Joshua & Melissa _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vince Frank" Subject: Re: (orb) Sellout enigma.... Date: 04 Sep 2000 13:31:38 -0500 > example of a band that hasn't sold out. To me, selling out is when an > artist/band is more intent on how many records they sell rather than what > _kind_ of records they sell. ===>When you put it that way, I guess you're absolutely right. I still don't *completely* knock them for this, 'cause I'd be the first person in line to do the same, should the opportunity ever present itself. Actually, if I were making the kind of money Metallica makes, I would do TWO things: 1.) make whatever my coporate "sponsor" wants, and 2.) take a portion of the money I made with that, and use it to finance my OWN non-commercial project. In other words, that way I'm making a buck, AND making (arguably) good music somewhere (not necessarily on the "commercial" release). I don't know if this is Lars' solo project, > but seeing a quad platinum artist sitting in front of the same old rich > white men that would have banned his music 10 years ago _BITCHING_ about > how some poor kid managed to get his hands on a song without paying that > already has 10000 times more airplay than ANYTHING we'd listen to... > _that_ is selling out. ===>You know, I'm kinda torn on this issue. I hate to say it, but I think the record companies are right on this issue: it *IS* pirating. But it *IS* also ridiculous for Lars to testify before Congress about this--doesn't he have anything better to do? I don't think I've ever paid a dime for a Metallica album myself (thanks to--ahem!--blank audio cassettes!), yet they've still managed to make half a billion dollars anyway. This gives greed a bad name (and greed isn't *always* a bad thing!). Then you've got bands like the Dead Kennedys and their ilk who ENCOURAGE piracy.... ;-) > Metallica didn't reach worldwide success until the release of > Justice... they had a huge following out in LA and in the US, but they > weren't playing shows in prague and red square and japan like they did ===>Perhaps I was being ethnocentric there.... I was thinking in terms of record sales.... They were doing pretty well for themselves long before And Justice For All came out. But then, to side with you, Iron Maiden has *never* had a hit in the United States (don't know about Europe), and I've certainly never seen an Iron Maiden video on MTV (then again, oddly, I saw the world premier of "Wicker Man" on VH-1 a couple months ago). But they ended up becoming the most successful independent band of all time, WITHOUT any radio play...so successful that they eclipsed the success of MANY commercial bands.... > many albums from bands that will never ever see gold records I consider to > be some of the finest bits of production work EVER. Andrea Parker? > Mindless Self Indulgence? Flaming Lips? ===>Or even Martin Hannett's production on Joy Division's albums.... _Closer_ still sounds powerful to this day.... > No arguement here... I'd rather listen to comm radio of 1986 than anything > else anyway (but i'm a freak) ===>You also have a "cut-off year," I see--mine is 1984 and before. ;-) --about the time that MTV started to play *only* commercially successful artists. Does anyone (besides me) remember when they 1.) actually played music videos 24 hours a day, and 2.) played MOSTLY music from otherwise unknown acts? I'm getting old. :-( Vince # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rachel Subject: (orb) put your money where your mouth is Date: 04 Sep 2000 17:23:38 -0700 ok, so everyone wanted to send money to The Orb for their bootleg MP3 of Cydonia, right? well, now you can: http://www.fairtunes.com/artistinfo.jsp?caller=url&artist=71960 think of it as a tip jar for musicains (Bono has made $80 so far) =) rachel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "*MoonDogg*" Subject: RE: (orb) Sellout enigma.... Date: 04 Sep 2000 18:21:00 -0700 First off, Iron Maiden HAS had hits, radio play, and MTV exposure. Although not nearly as much as many of the artist who they have eclipsed in album and concert sales (one more week till Maiden/Queensryche yeah!!) Anyway, who really gives a crap whether a an artist 'sells out'. Everybody seems to have differing opinions on what that even means to begin with, and I challenge everyone to give me a good reason why it even matters??? Do you buy a record because you look up to the person who made it? Because you are looking to them shape and mold your ideals? Are you looking for a role model? I buy a record because I like the music. I don't care who made it or why. I only care about the MUSIC. If it entertains me, if it gets me dancing, if it gets me pumped up, if it makes me FEEL good, what do I care if there is a corporation behind it. Actually, I couldn't care less. That's how I see this whole sell-out controversy. If you like a record, buy it. If you don't, don't. Leave all the nonsense behind you..... *MoonDogg* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: laerm Subject: (orb) vox on cydonia Date: 04 Sep 2000 21:45:21 -0400 (EDT) anyone know who that is on track three, "ghost dancing"? sure sounds a lot like kirsty hawkshaw to me, but i could be wrong. micah stupak laerm@soulfood.org international bright young kook # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: seofon@slip.net (Seofon) Subject: RE: (orb) Andy Hughes Date: 05 Sep 2000 00:40:40 -0800 > >>Writing a song and making a movie are 2 different things. > >>I would think envisioning how a track should sound or what >it should be composed of would be hard considering the "director" isn't >writing it. > >>It's not like directing a movie were there is a script to >follow and the idea is already set. > > >>I think any one who is creative enough to write a phat >riff is capable of holding their OWN vision on how their music should sound. >It is a matter of self confidence and motivation. > >>I am not saying the way you and Richard's approach to >making music is wrong - I just think anyone capable of making music is >capable of deciding how it's overall sound should end up as and should be >able "direct" it's direction. I can appreciate what you're saying here, but it's all quite debatable. Why is it more difficult for a musical director to envision how a track should sound if he isn't writing it, than for a movie director to envision how a scene should look if he isn't acting in it? The analogy actually works quite well: You induct the actors & technicians into what you want them to do, you trust them to do it, and if you like how it turns out you get the film printed, and nobody says "oh he's just a director". My experience is that envisioning how it should sound is what writing a track is all about, and this is traditionally done well before the track is ever produced. Studio time used to be very expensive. It's only recently that folks have the leisure to noodle around in their home-studios until they run across something cool-sounding. As for creativity ... well, IMHO, there are plenty of people out there who are competent technicians but have no musical vision. For example, as I said, I can and do write my own solo music ... I think it says some interesting things, and there are some ways in which I do get a lot out of working that way. (And I have an upcoming 3-inch CD release on The Foundry label ... plug plug!) =) But the material that I have recorded with Richard has turned out to be more engaging for most listeners, indeed, because of his vision. After all, are we all subscribed to this mailing list because of the Orb's technical wizardry? Or is it because those records really capture some unique headspaces, ideas, and other interesting things that we can't quite pin down no matter how hard we try? Anyhow, this fact doesn't reflect on or diminish my self-confidence and motivation at all. For one, it's creatively inspiring, and for two: you think having a director makes things /easier/? Au contraire, mon frere! It's most demanding. Actually, my original statement actually took the reverse of your angle here: It is that people who can hold their own vision of what music should sound like should not be required to be capable of making it. But you are quite correct: there's no right or wrong way about it. Music can be made scripted, freeform, improvised, etc., and all of these methods have their strengths and weaknesses. (I'm quite into improv-jams right now, actually, with Property of Thieves ... http://www.a-toi.com/property_of_thieves) BTW, if you want another example of a good director/producer team, check out Sven Vaeth & Ralf Hildenbeutel. >If this wasn't the case, then any tard could open up Band-in-a-Box and SF >Acid and be a "musician/producer/writer/executive producer, etc.". This >isn't reality (thank God). Errr ... you checked out some of the stuff on the web lately? Makes you start to appreciate record labels! =) -=Seofon Ambient Temple of Imagination > http://www.a-toi.com > http://www.mp3.com/atoi double-disc anthology Y2KAOS now available! > http://www.a-toi.com/y2kaos # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "oobe" Subject: Re: (orb) Andy Hughes Date: 05 Sep 2000 03:07:06 -0500 oh, it's absolutely dismal. there's some braindead rat on mp3.com who registered the handle for "oobe" before i did, because i never thought about doing it before quite honestly, and people constantly email me and wonder if i am the culprit responsible for such devestatingly horrible "music". i tell them, "god no, man! please!" that's the thing. so many web-tards think because there's the internet and mp3.com, they have a pirated version of Rebirth, a Soundblaster, and a new-found late curfew, that they too can be a "musician", along with claiming all the other music production titles like "studio engineer" and "producer". shit, i will never be caught dead on mp3.CON, if for no other reason i wouldn't want to be lumped into the couldron of waste that is the stew of it all. heh. but i'll never *appreciate* record companies. =) -oobe > Errr ... you checked out some of the stuff on the web lately? > Makes you start to appreciate record labels! =) > > > -=Seofon > Ambient Temple of Imagination > http://www.a-toi.com > http://www.mp3.com/atoi > double-disc anthology Y2KAOS now available! > http://www.a-toi.com/y2kao # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dj Casey" Subject: (orb) bootleg cydonia Date: 05 Sep 2000 01:34:09 -0700 where can I download a mixed version of Cydonia? Napster just has the individual tracks..... thanks... Chris p.s. Just recieved my 12" copy of Starecase's remix of AHEGPB....the vocals are pretty much non existant, but it's an awesome club track with that familiar sample ringing through out, plus some additional production from starecase....you can get it at www.3beat.co.uk/ laters # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Smiley" Subject: RE: (orb) vox on cydonia Date: 05 Sep 2000 09:47:53 +0100 > anyone know who that is on track three, "ghost dancing"? sure > sounds a lot > like kirsty hawkshaw to me, but i could be wrong. it's Nina Walsh, who was part of the Sabres/Sabrettes set-up a few years ago. she's also the vocalist on 'plum island'. the vocalist on 'centuries' is Aki, who also provides the vocals on 'once more'. cheers, --- Smiley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Howat, Simon" Subject: RE: (orb) Sellout enigma.... Date: 05 Sep 2000 10:23:04 +0100 Please, enough talk about Metallica/Iron Maiden, I am starting to feel very odd. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Howat, Simon" Subject: Re: (orb) Andy Hughes Date: 05 Sep 2000 10:32:27 +0100 >that's the thing. so many web-tards think because there's the internet and >mp3.com, they have a pirated version of Rebirth, a Soundblaster, and a >new-found late curfew, that they too can be a "musician", along with >claiming all the other music production titles like "studio engineer" and >"producer". Er.......and I don't mean any disrespect....but isn't the above statement another way of saying that all of this technology empowers US ALL to make and publish music? Where do you wish to draw the line between those who shoud be able to use it and those who shouldn't? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: miss firefly Subject: (orb) off-topic, sorta Date: 05 Sep 2000 09:46:57 -0400 Vince exclaimed: > > Holy Hell! I just got "It's Tomorrow Already" by The Irresistible > Force, and...WOW! Yesterday was a particularly stressful > day, and when I came home, I reclined on my chair, put on the > headphones, and fell asleep. Total and utter bliss, I can tell > you. Yeah, I have this album too!!!! I was bowled over by it as well. What is the mention of "Flying High"? (another I.F. album??) It resonates w/the Orb "style", IMHO, by the use of samples, and the way that every time one listens to the album, it is possible to get something new from it!! If anyone out there knows of some other work by Irresistable Force, or Mixmaster Morris, please let me know!!! L8R, firefly # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: laerm Subject: (orb) alex dj set Date: 05 Sep 2000 14:10:55 -0400 (EDT) up on the OAA, there's that alex dj set of one 45-meg file. before i got downloading it, has anyone got any further info on it? how many tracks, what's he playing, etc? thanks... micah stupak laerm@soulfood.org international bright young kook # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Christoph=20Kluxen?= Subject: (orb) Ambient Meditations 3 by youth Date: 05 Sep 2000 20:31:28 +0200 (CEST) Hi,out there Got my hands on: Ambient Meditations 3 mixed by youth RTTSCD11 It contains stuff by Juno Reactor,Transglobal Underground, dead can dance(???!!) and so on and some stuff mixed by youth and some tracks with and from M.Glover, The first half is too "new wave" for me,but the tracks with Youth and Glover involved are really experimental fresh,especially the zodiac youth experience is interesting, Besides you should get your hands on the liverpool sound collage,the Youth mix (real gone dub made in manifest in the vortex of the eternal now) will really blow you away,I don``t know too much of Youth,but that one convinced me,very near to the ultraworld for me. CY, Christoph "...they should prohibite all that sampling,but we don`t have the rights anymore,it``s a shame..." Ennio Morricone in a german magazine Now on : nothing __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Yahoo! Mail auf Ihrem Handy? - http://mobil.yahoo.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rachel Subject: (orb) select cuts Date: 05 Sep 2000 11:44:31 -0700 hey orbsters! i picked up the Select Cuts from Blood and Fire this weekend (at JC's recommendation, who has yet to steer me wrong!). you just can't beat the old school dub on a sunny summer's day! the LX remix is quite good, but the entire album is a winner in my book! =) rachel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: derrien@club-internet.fr Subject: Re: (orb) Ambient Meditations 3 by youth Date: 06 Sep 2000 00:07:40 +0200 Christoph wrote : > >Besides you should get your hands on the liverpool >sound collage,the Youth mix (real gone dub made in >manifest in the vortex of the eternal now) will really >blow you away,I don``t know too much of Youth,but that >one convinced me,very near to the ultraworld for me. > I have to disagree with you, I thought the Liverpool collage was crap at first listen. I'll have to get a second thought. BTW, I found a Sealed copy of Mindless Drug Hoover : Top Banana. CD It's the album with the same Orb remix as the CD Single. But the other tracks are quite funny... I put it on Ebay : http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=429825712 JCFromParis On now : Underworld - Pearls girl (live) "Don't you see? We're all in hell. I'm the only one who knows it." (Pam in The XFiles - Monday) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "e. lanum" Subject: (orb) aaahhh the slvgs Date: 06 Sep 2000 03:47:43 GMT does anyone know the name of the childrens story used in slvg dvb _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Christoph=20Kluxen?= Subject: Re: (orb) Ambient Meditations 3 by youth Date: 06 Sep 2000 10:19:16 +0200 (CEST) --- derrien@club-internet.fr schrieb: > > Christoph wrote : > > > >Besides you should get your hands on the liverpool > >sound collage,the Youth mix (real gone dub made in > >manifest in the vortex of the eternal now) will > really > >blow you away,I don``t know too much of Youth,but > that > >one convinced me,very near to the ultraworld for > me. > > > I have to disagree with you, I thought the Liverpool > collage was crap at > first listen. I'll have to get a second thought. > Hmmm,thinking about that, I think youth is the only one,who turned noise to music on this CD,it``s really strange without a real structure,everything is turning and wobbeling and there is that dub structure in the background,I like it.The whole thing has a soundtrack character of course,but why not. CY,Christoph Now on:Patchwork Diorama __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Yahoo! Mail auf Ihrem Handy? - http://mobil.yahoo.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Moxness Subject: RE: (orb) Ambient Meditations 3 by youth Date: 06 Sep 2000 08:12:58 -0500 JCFromParis On now : Underworld - Pearls girl (live) ===>is this the new live album your listening to? how is it?? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Howat, Simon" Subject: FW: (orb) Ambient Meditations 3 by youth Date: 06 Sep 2000 15:27:54 +0100 >JCFromParis >On now : Underworld - Pearls girl (live) >===>is this the new live album your listening to? how is it?? =========>if so, is there live stuff from the Glastonbury festival on it? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Long, Joshua L." Subject: (orb) Icons of the Orb Date: 06 Sep 2000 10:34:32 -0400 would someone that has Icons be willing to trade for something or upload to the OAA? Joshua Long longj@rjrt.com jmzd4@msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: (orb) new orb mixes avail very soon Date: 06 Sep 2000 10:37:49 -0400 (EDT) The second I finish downloading the Rick Wright remixes from the OAA, I will upload the following personal rips: - Jam on the Mutha - Hotel California (instrumental mix) - Laibach - War (Mothers of Prevention remix) - Lisa Stansfield - time to make you mine (in dreams mix) - AHEGB both bucket & spade remix and 6 afraid of 7 remix - PM Dawn - A watchers point of view (Don't cha think) (youth radio mix) - Pato Banton Vs. DJ Orb - Pato Banton - Beams of light (depths of an oceans love) They'll be in the uploads folder, PLEASE read the readme.txt file. Enjoy! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: brett Subject: Re: FW: (orb) Ambient Meditations 3 by youth Date: 06 Sep 2000 08:53:30 -0700 (PDT) the new live album is quite good. my coworker just returned from london with it. brett wagner | brett@madhouse.org get committed! | http://www.madhouse.org On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Howat, Simon wrote: > > >===>is this the new live album your listening to? how is it?? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) Alex Paterson Real Audio File at Beta Lounge Date: 06 Sep 2000 09:32:54 -0700 Nick King wrote: > > >From his show on 31/08/2000 at the Beta Lounge, San Francisco, Real Audio > File at http://www.betalounge.com/homepage.html > > Superb! There doesn't seem to be a direct link to the show in question from the site (at least at this point), but it is there at: http://www.betalounge.com/stuff/lounge8-31-00.ram It is a four and a half hour show, and Alex would seem to be the last third or so. (I didn't listen to the entire thing.) Unfortunately, they have a security setup that obviates the easy way to directly access the stream to capture it, and my connection isn't fast enough to make an indirect capture worthwhile. If someone with a better connection (and/or sneakier software) were to capture/download that sucker (and ideally excise Alex's set from the dross), and then upload it to one of the FTPs, I'm sure many of us would be appreciative.. ;) I'm not sure how much longer it will be there; the site implies that they archive them for a week or so. Chris np: The Droplift Project # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "This is Jack's shattered nerves" Subject: Re: (orb) Alex Paterson Real Audio File at Beta Lounge Date: 06 Sep 2000 13:39:17 -0400 (EDT) > Unfortunately, they have a security setup that obviates the easy way to > directly access the stream to capture it, and my connection isn't fast > enough to make an indirect capture worthwhile. I'd love to know if anyone's been able to grab those ra files off the website. I spent about 2 hours trying every trick in my (somewhat limited) arsenal to download the files, with no luck. There are at least a half-dozen shows on that site that I'd love to get copies of, and I'd hate to have to resort to the tedious ra>DAT>computer>CD method.... -- Jason Bilsky- fuzzbox@world.std.com http://world.std.com/~fuzzbox "I am everything you want, I am everything you need, I am everything inside of you that you wish you could be, I say all the right things at exactly the right time, and I mean nothing to you and I don't know why." -Vertical Horizon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) Alex Paterson Real Audio File at Beta Lounge Date: 06 Sep 2000 10:59:10 -0700 This is Jack's shattered nerves wrote: > I'd love to know if anyone's been able to grab those ra files off the > website. I spent about 2 hours trying every trick in my (somewhat limited) > arsenal to download the files, with no luck. There are at least a half-dozen > shows on that site that I'd love to get copies of, and I'd hate to have > to resort to the tedious ra>DAT>computer>CD method.... There is a shareware program (I believe it is called "Total Recorder" (or something similar) and is available from download.com) that will capture the stream as it plays and record it to disc. However, the free version is crippleware, and my connection is slow, so I haven't given it a try. There are almost certainly other solutions out there...anyone? Chris np: Seefeel - Quique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: brett Subject: Re: (orb) Alex Paterson Real Audio File at Beta Lounge Date: 06 Sep 2000 11:50:16 -0700 (PDT) i thought there was also something called correct me if im wrong .. "streambox" ON - BPT - Moody brett wagner | brett@madhouse.org get committed! | http://www.madhouse.org > There is a shareware program (I believe it is called "Total Recorder" > (or something similar) and is available from download.com) that will > capture the stream as it plays and record it to disc. However, the free > version is crippleware, and my connection is slow, so I haven't given it > a try. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Everything, Everything Was: Re: FW: (orb) Ambient Meditations 3 by youth Date: 06 Sep 2000 11:37:15 -0700 "Howat, Simon" wrote: > > >JCFromParis > > >On now : Underworld - Pearls girl (live) > > >===>is this the new live album your listening to? how is it?? While I can't speak for what JC was listening to, the new live Underworld album is...flat. While the sound quality is good, the performances/versions are only so-so; is a bit disappointing, particularly if you have seen them live, or have access to the numerous high-quality show bootlegs floating around. I'm hoping the DVD (which supposedly features different performances) is more compelling. Considering the material they had available, the selections for the CD are "surprising" to a lot of the fans I've heard from. Of course, even given that, it is still better than 99% of the kack out there, and the more casual, less-trainspottery fan will probably find few if any faults with it. ;) > =========>if so, is there live stuff from the Glastonbury festival on it? It isn't yet publicly known where the various audio tracks came from, although the live DVD video is supposed to be from two European (continental) shows. Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stratton, Jeff" Subject: RE: (orb) Alex Paterson Real Audio File at Beta Lounge Date: 06 Sep 2000 12:40:04 -0600 what i'm finding is that if realaudio is not allowing the .ram to be saved to disc via a registered copy of realaudio, that the file cannot be recorded. i am, however, looking into fixing this total recorder app to see if a cracked version will do anything different. There is a shareware program (I believe it is called "Total Recorder" (or something similar) and is available from download.com) that will capture the stream as it plays and record it to disc. However, the free version is crippleware, and my connection is slow, so I haven't given it a try. There are almost certainly other solutions out there...anyone? Chris np: Seefeel - Quique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: (orb) japanese Cydonia Date: 06 Sep 2000 16:54:39 -0400 ordered cydonia about three weeks ago........... i am starting to wonder if cdzone can even get it before it's release. i thought i had a good chance of getting a released ver before anyone else....... but i'll probably end up getting it in Nov! Justin Meredith Ikon Office Solutions JUMERIDETH@IKON.COM / 480 731 3839 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony Bryan Subject: Re: (orb) Andy Hughes Date: 06 Sep 2000 17:21:28 -0400 (EDT) > >From what he told me - HE WROTE CYDONIA ! This is actually no surprise to me > - and it IS the reason he left the ORB. Alex did not want to contribute to > actually WRITING the music- so he felt it was time to move on. this is what I was trying to get at when I asked how do you rewrite cydonia,, when the majority is by someone else. now how does someone else who had a minority part in it, claim this is his work? ant # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson" Subject: Re: (orb) japanese Cydonia Date: 07 Sep 2000 00:40:17 +0000 At 16:54 6.9.2000 -0400, Meredith, Justin wrote: > ordered cydonia about three weeks ago........... i am starting to >wonder if cdzone can even get it before it's release. cdzone? bwahahahahahaahahah :P (sorry :P I've never ordered from them, but from my friends who have _tried_ to order something from them, the success rate is .... quite rather horribly bad, to say the least... one ordered 16 cds and got 1.... eventually :P great ratio, eh? :P --- Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://nemesis1.cjb.net free your :) [tm] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) Alex@Knitting Factory Date: 06 Sep 2000 17:56:29 -0700 Ed wrote: > > Just a quick mention that Alex was in top form Friday night at the > Knitting Factory. He really had the place dancing. A very different > set compared to last years Vynyl appearance. Thanks to Sarah for > getting us Orb fans together. It was great meeting Tim, Pip and one > other I don't remember the name. Alex signed for all, got irie with us > and we all took him to his motel after the gig. He mentioned he would > be back in LA in November touring with Juno Reactor. Something to look > forward too! Did anyone attend Indio last night? Hey. Sorry for the late review; it's been busy around here... It was an interesting show. The venue is...weird. The lobby/bar area is horrifyingly upmarket/new mediaish/.commie; not a fun place to be. The actual performance space is very nice; with lots of space, a comfortable vibe, and pretty good sightlines. I spent most of my time on the balcony, with a good view of the decks. There were some issues with the acoustics; mainly what seemed to be some rattling in the ventilation system caused by the bass booming around us. Before he came on, Alex spent a fair amount of time wandering the floor of the performance space, chatting with the people who came up to him. Alex spun his usually wildly eclectic set, and seemed to be having fun. He played a fair amount of Orb material, and some tracks that are "known" favorites of his. The Orb material included a couple of mixes of Once More (one of them mixed into one of the LFC '98 remixes, and the other tweaky enough to possibly be the Jimmy Cauty Scourge of the Earth remix), the aforementioned LFC '98 mix, and AHEGPB as his closer. It was interesting watching the crowd as Alex brought Minnie Ripperton up through the mix; people just froze as they realized what it was, smiled, and prepared to be amazed...unfortunately, Alex was only able to play a minute or two of it...I would love to hear that track in its entirety on a real sound system. I would also guess Alex played one or two more tracks off of Cydonia...judging by how he seemed to step back and watch how the crowd reacted to certain tracks, and by their half-familiarity (I haven't fully absorbed/memorized Cydonia v1.0 yet). Another highlight was when he played Cowgirl from Underworld...the floor went mental; it was amazing to watch. Of course, that also made me ache for Underworld to come back around. ;) He also used more than a couple records that seemed to be custom-made white-labels, with multiple tracks premixed on them (all of the ones that seemed to labeled with rectangular strips of masking tape, for those who were watching). Alex certainly isn't a turntablist, but he does know how to work a pair of records, and pulled off some...jarring...transitions with an aplomb few could match. Anyway, I'm glad some Orb-listers smoked him out; he certainly deserved it. :) I'd been considering bringing my CD-R of Cydonia for his signature, but wasn't sure if he'd find it amusing, or offensive. I decided to err on the side of caution. I don't suppose anyone recorded the set, did they? Chris np: the CD-R of the Bee-Gees tribute album some wanker on eBay sent me instead of the real thing...grrr :( # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Shah Subject: Re: (orb) japanese Cydonia Date: 06 Sep 2000 18:02:33 -0700 On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 04:54:39PM -0400, Meredith, Justin wrote: > ordered cydonia about three weeks ago........... i am starting to > wonder if cdzone can even get it before it's release. Go back and check your mail queue. When I ordered mine they sent me a message two days later saying that they would not be able to fill the order and canceled it. -Steve -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Steve Shah (sshah@planetoid.org) | SysAdmin/Coder/Gabbernaut/DJ/Writer/Minister http://www.planetoid.org | We're not dropping out, we're infiltrating. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Life is best measured in beats per minute. How alive are you? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben in Space Subject: Re: (orb) Andy Hughes Date: 06 Sep 2000 21:11:22 -0400 (EDT) okay... the "andy wrote cydonia" comment is based totally on second-hand interpretation of a possibly embittered and biased person. Think about it... if you contribute a massive amount of work on something, and then you are asked to leave the project (or leave yourself) because of creative differences, you aren't neccesarily gonna be so happy towards your former bandmates (i know this from experience.). As far as crediting, etc... I highly doubt andy "wrote" everything on it. Oftentimes a single member of a band will write a majority of the material, but the album and songs are still attributed to the entire band. This is what writing credits are for. We will probably see a ton of "written by Hughes/Patterson" credits on the album. But regardless, he did the work with The Orb, not as Andy Hughes, so when pressing time comes around, it will stay that way. It's not that he's gonna be without compensation for this... he still has credits, and I imagine will be privy to royalties and contract bonuses up through the release of cydonia. Any other issues are squarely left between andy, the band, and management. Beninspace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "That Ambient Guy" Subject: (orb) Alex @ Knitting Factory Date: 06 Sep 2000 18:10:52 PDT I liked the guy who was yelling "you suck" at the end :) There was a track somewhere in his set that sounded Very, VERY, VERY Aphex-y... A hard beat with a very good piano riff that had to be RDJ or some spot-on wannabe. I don't suppose anybody who attended the show knows what it is? I really, really want it. NOW PLAYING : Chieftains - Treasure Island >It was interesting watching the crowd as Alex brought Minnie Ripperton >up through the mix; people just froze as they realized what it was, >smiled, and prepared to be amazed...unfortunately, Alex was only able to >play a minute or two of it...I would love to hear that track in its >entirety on a real sound system. >Alex certainly isn't a turntablist, but he does know how to work a pair >of records, and pulled off some...jarring...transitions with an aplomb >few could match. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) Alex @ Knitting Factory Date: 06 Sep 2000 18:18:00 -0700 That Ambient Guy wrote: > > I liked the guy who was yelling "you suck" at the end :) I thought he was yelling at the management of the Knitting Factory, who booted Alex with five minutes' notice. ;) > There was a track somewhere in his set that sounded Very, VERY, VERY > Aphex-y... A hard beat with a very good piano riff that had to be RDJ or > some spot-on wannabe. I don't suppose anybody who attended the show knows > what it is? I really, really want it. I know the track you mean. I recognized it. I'm positive I own it. But I have no bloody idea who it actually is, or where in my collection it might be found. Aphex-y is the right description, though. I also think that that particular piano riff is a sample...possibly from a film soundtrack. Anyone? Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Subject: Re: (orb) Alex@Knitting Factory Date: 06 Sep 2000 20:55:51 -0700 Chris Johnson wrote: > > > The venue is...weird. I agree > I would also guess Alex played one or two more tracks off of > Cydonia... He told us that he played four tracks. > Another highlight was when he played Cowgirl from Underworld...the floor > went mental; it was amazing to watch. Of course, that also made me ache > for Underworld to come back around. ;) Your right on again Chris. I think Tim said "Rez" at first before we both said "Cowgirl" > He also used more than a couple records that seemed to be custom-made > white-labels, with multiple tracks premixed on them (all of the ones > that seemed to labeled with rectangular strips of masking tape, for > those who were watching). Well, the Cydonia tracks he played were on vinyl. I would imagine they were acetates made for going out on the road to play. Probably like that one copy of "Numb" we all want to complete those want lists. I think most DJ's make those up. I remember seeing Roni Size, Krush, Die at the House of Blues just playing 10" acetates. > I don't suppose anyone recorded the set, did they? > That would be nice. Also, again did anyone attend Nocturnal? Edward # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jon Subject: (orb) Rare orb stuff Date: 07 Sep 2000 00:07:34 -0700 Hi, I have a few rare Orb items up on Ebay: The Orb-Huge Ever Growing..UK 12" Orbital KLF http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=424273541 The Orb-Asylum PROMO CD edit http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=424788660 Sun Electric-Present.AMB UK CD (The Orb) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=424791396 Gary Numan-Random The Orb/St. Etienne/Dubstar http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=425769444 Plus also I have the Love Kittens-What Goes On? (Features Orbient mix 1) 12" (also produced by the Orb. This is for sale off of ebay; I'll sell it to the first person who wants it for a reasonable price. Check out my other electronic/dance auctions at: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&us erid=mazbass Thanks for looking, jon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Taylor" Subject: (orb) Rippers Date: 07 Sep 2000 09:25:21 +0100 Hi, For those interested the program mentioned is Steambox Ripper, its shareware and you can download it from www.winfiles.com or direct from www.steambox.com, and it works under w2000, I don't work for them I only mention it 'cos it tool me a while to find something that seemed to work OK. Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Howat, Simon" Subject: (orb) orb remix of dub track Date: 07 Sep 2000 10:07:07 +0100 I was listening to John Peel's show last night and he mentioned an LP of dub tracks off the 'Blood and Fire' label, and most interestingly a track that the Orb had remixed. He said he would play one of the tunes, and as luck would have it he played the Orb remix. It was a track by Keith Hudson, didn't get the name of the track. But the LP is called 'Select cuts from Blood and Fire' on the Select Cuts Label. What a track! If you had imagined how an orb remix of a dub track should sound then this was it - really good stuff. A lot of the original dub feel was there but also some crazy orb electronics on top. Really really good. Anyone have any more info on this? Release date for example....? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kael Driscoll Subject: Re: (orb) orb remix of dub track Date: 07 Sep 2000 17:11:58 +0800 mate, you missed a few posts about it earlier :) heres some info from jax: I thought you might like to know about the following release: Select Cuts from Blood&Fire CD/DOLP - 14 Tracks - 79 minutes playtime. 1. Horace Andy - Youth Of Today (Kaleidoscope) 5:55 Caspar Kennerdale for Pik=B4n `Mix, London. 2. Yabby You - Conquering Lion (Smith & Mighty) 6:14 S&M for Bristol vibe...! Billboard: "The missing link between Bob Marley, Soul II Soul and Lauryn Hill". 3. Glen Brown - Version Style (Pressure Drop ) 4:30 Pressure Drop for Hard Hands, London. The Blood Brothers inna heavy style. 4. Keith Hudson - I`m Alright ... Orbing Allright In Dub (The Orb) 5:08 The Orb for Island in the Sun. 5. King Tubby & Soul Syndicate - Dub InThe Right Way (Dreadzone) 6:43 Dreadzone for Dreadheads...! 6. Glen Brown - Leggo The Herb Man Dub (Small Axe vs Terminal Head) 5:52 Dave Ruffy (drummer Ruts DC ) for Small Axe, Pete & Lee for Terminal Head, London. 7. King Tubby - Bag A Wire (Avatars Of Dub) 5:22 Avatars of Dub for 18th Streetvibe, Washington DC. 8. Tappa Zukie - Dub MPLA (Subsonic Legacy/MPLA) 6:29 Danny Briotett (Ex Renegade Soundwave) for Subsonic Legacy. 9. Impact All Stars - Just Another Dub (Sounds From The Ground ) 5:54 Sounds From The Ground inna ambient Soul vibe. 10. I Roy - War & Friction (Stereo MC`s ) 5:44 Stereo MC=B4s for the real vibe. 11. Yabby U - Conquering Lion (Groove Corporation) 5:14 Groove Corporation from Birmingham for the Elephant House vibes. 12. Impact All Stars - Forward The Bass (Nick Manasseh) 4:27 Brixton Dubhead Manasseh for responce...! 13. The Chantells - Natty Supper (The Erb) 5:17 Dub Syndicate keyboarder Alan Idiri for The Erb. 14. The Congos - Fisherman (Dub Colossus - Transglobal Underground founder Count Dubullah) vs Temple Of Sound (ex - Transglabal Underground member Neil Sparkes ) 5:51 ... for the Streets Of Dub Francisco vibe. More info at http://www.echobeach.de/ Now this is a dream. Orb remixing Keith Hudson's I'm Allright. Drool... The song (featuring Horace Andy in/out of the mix) is from Keith Hudson's Pick a Dub from 1975, one of the hardest and rawest dub albums ever, check it out, it's a classic. I'm selling lots of it to icelandic orbsters in my cd shop. I'm Allright is actually my favourite track from the album and - coincidence - I just played it on my radio show a few weeks ago. The album should be released mid-august according to http://www.bloodandfire.co.uk/ It's also mentioned that "...The Orb weigh in with a totally deconstructed version of Horace Andy's 'I'm Alright' from the 'Pick A Dub' album..." wow this must be something... So many things to look forward to.... That's it, take ear, jax # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: merrick patton schaefer Subject: (orb) lx @ betalounge Date: 07 Sep 2000 08:30:14 -0500 (CDT) Orbots, the alex patterson set at the betalounge is quite good. better than when I have seen him dj live. The first ten minutes or so are sort of crappy in my opinion but after he moves on from AHEGPGB he catches a nice groove that changes quite a bit with some jungle and old school hip-hop mixed in the set. If you want to listen to it and skip the two mediocre dj's who precede him, fast forward 2 hours and 42 minutes into the show. oh and the betalounge keeps all of its older shows up on the past shows archive. (which in my opinion has a ton of incredible sets) I think that they just constantly stream shows for about a week after they are recorded. But his set isn't going to disapear as long as their site is up. http://www.betalounge.com/ merrick ________________________________________________________________ The main thing to understand is that we are imprisoned in some kind of work of art. - Terence McKenna phone address (312)492-7461 800 S. Claremont, Apt. 1 Chicago, IL 60612 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nico Baars" Subject: (orb) Finally!! Date: 07 Sep 2000 17:27:02 +0200 Finally Mercury confirmed a Dutch release for Cydonia at october 30th, and an interview with Alex Paterson shoud be confirmed in a couple of days! They also talked about an album with remixes from The Orb also for release on october 30th, but they couldn't give any details at this moment. Nico # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Smiley" Subject: RE: (orb) Finally!! Date: 07 Sep 2000 17:39:36 +0100 MIGHT be Auntie Aubrey 2?? it was in the pipeline a while ago, but i don't know how far they got with it... ...unless there might be a special edition CD with remixes, like UF OFF??? i'll see what i can find out. > Finally Mercury confirmed a Dutch release for Cydonia at > october 30th, and > an interview with Alex Paterson shoud be confirmed in a > couple of days! > They also talked about an album with remixes from The Orb > also for release > on october 30th, but they couldn't give any details at this moment. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Smiley" Subject: RE: (orb) ORBULLETIN: FINAL (?) cydonia tracklisting... Date: 07 Sep 2000 18:05:35 +0100 chris moore wrote: > Smiley, do you know which track was co-pro'd with Robert > Fripp? Fingers > crossed it's similar to FFWD... afaik, only terminus (which has FFWD-type stuff in it) involves Fripp in any way... > >so - no ralf, yungle, freely wheely or jam on yer honey > (that appeared on > >v1/v2). > > If/When possible Smiley, I'm sure we'd all love to know if > these have gone > for good, or if any will turn up as B-Sides. as soon as i know tracklists for the single release, i'll pass them on... > >- 'centuries' and 'plum island' are new VOCAL tracks > > I'm sure there's going to be a few people shouting "oh for > f*cks sake" at > this, but as long as neither end up with an annoying > Liverpudlian drawling > all over them (*cough* S.A.L.T. *gack*), I'll be over the moon (by the > sounds of it they are actual songs not spoken word pieces so that's > something at least). Once More and Ghostdancing were HUGE > highlights for > me... methinks you mean 'annoying Mancunian', sir. and they're all 'proper' vocal tracks. more news as and when... --- Smiley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Taylor" Subject: (orb) Fw: Rippers Date: 07 Sep 2000 19:41:44 +0100 Sorry folks, typo, should have read www.Streambox.com. C. º¿º # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Josephhannah1@aol.com Subject: (orb) Cydonia and labeling the package Date: 07 Sep 2000 15:27:36 EDT I am trying to invision the hectic work that is to be done right now!! Imagine all the hard work going into producing the new artwork for the full length discs and records. Also the double disc Once More single and Auntie Aubry's 2!! Anyone who feels that the Orb's unique packagings are exceptional can follow suit. I know that I am not the only one who is so attracted to the labels. 5 Favorite Artwork on Music of All time? 1. Killing Joke's Democracy fractional work 2. Eternity Project's label is cool IMHO 3. Axiom Dub project's art is neat.... --Off topic: feeling fractional lately..... 4. I always liked the 3 stripes and Poloroids on the Police's Syncronicity 5. I really like Talvin Sihgn's Ok Japanease mixed disc alot too. xJSH Chaka!! Now Playing = Apoptigmaberzerk P.s. anyone going to the classic Ritz theater Fri.? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Goelzer Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia and labeling the package Date: 07 Sep 2000 14:38:47 -0500 > Anyone who feels that the Orb's unique > packagings are exceptional can follow > suit. I know that I am not the only > one who is so attracted to the labels. I know that the MadArk folks are "mates" of the band, and I've said this before, but I wish the Orb still used Designers Republic. Their stuff is top notch. Anyone know whether MadArk are/were "mates" of LX or Andy? Or both? Or whether they'll in fact be doing the Cydonia artwork? JG PS - Smiley? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: (orb) what I did with my signing bonus Date: 07 Sep 2000 15:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Got some more records today, thought you guys might be interested. First off, I got like 5 deep forest 12"'s because they were like $3 per. I got the Kondo, Laswell, Bernocchi album "Charged" on LP, which I highly recommend. HIGHLY. It's a super album, if you can get a copy on CD (I think it was limited run). Also got some remixes from this album by the usual suspects & Source Direct. I got Size 9 - I am ready (size 9 = josh wink) and I got Moby - Bring Back my Happyness 12" (josh wink remix is sooooo tasty). But! To bring it to the orb-relatedness, I also got: Perpetual Dawn 12" w/solar flare extended, ultrabass I and II, and the phase two remix of star 7,8,9 Perpetual Dawn 7" w/solar youth mix & phase II as well AND the best one: BLRT 75 Blue Room full length 12"! Now all I need is another copy and I can play the whole 40 mins of blue room on vinyl. Not that that would be the best idea, mind you. :) Sorry for bragging. Oh! I also have a second copy of the Jam on the Mutha 12", so if anyone wants that, please let me know. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rachel Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia and labeling the package Date: 07 Sep 2000 12:46:21 -0700 anyone know where i can get my hands on old orb posters, or other DR style work? (already tried pushposters) i'm happy to contribute to this one: 5 Favorite Artwork on Music of All time? 1. Auntie Aubrey's Excursions (Mad Ark meets LX's turtles - simply celestial!) 2. Sun Electric's album with the hemisphere of colors (i forget the name, but its a DR delight!) 3. Supersucker's Smoke From Hell (illustrated by Daniel Clowes, of Eightball fame) 4. Spiritulaized's Pure Phase (ltd edition glow in the dark jewelbox, with reversed out type!!) 5. YMO's Technodon (with the choose-your-own-cover secret decoder fun!) =) rachel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vince Frank" Subject: (orb) Music artwork Date: 07 Sep 2000 15:56:52 -0500 > 5 Favorite Artwork on Music of All time? > 1. Killing Joke's Democracy fractional work > 2. Eternity Project's label is cool IMHO > 3. Axiom Dub project's art is neat.... > --Off topic: feeling fractional lately..... > 4. I always liked the 3 stripes and Poloroids on the Police's Syncronicity > 5. I really like Talvin Sihgn's Ok Japanease mixed disc alot too. ===>Ooooo! Neat new topic that I don't think has been addressed before. So...here goes my list of the best album covers of all time: 1. Joy Division - Closer 2. Iron Maiden - Killers 3. Roxy Music - Avalon 4. Donald Fagen - The Nightfly 5. The Cramps - Bad Music for Bad People 6. Supertramp - Breakfast in America 7. Dead Kennedys - Frankenchrist 8. Dio - Holy Diver 9. DEVO - Are We Not Men? 10. Dance Hall Crashers - Lockjaw (never even heard this band-- I just think the cover is hilarious!) Later! Vince # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vince Frank" Subject: (orb) How'd I forget this one??? Date: 07 Sep 2000 16:17:37 -0500 Can't believe I didn't put these on my list: Frank Zappa: Shiekh Yerbouti Elvis Hitler: Hellbilly Lords of Acid: Voodoo You (is that the name?) Vincent # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Basford Subject: Re: (orb) japanese Cydonia Date: 07 Sep 2000 21:27:37 +0100 Meredith, Justin wrote : > ordered cydonia about three weeks ago........... i am starting to >wonder if cdzone can even get it before it's release. > > i thought i had a good chance of getting a released ver before anyone >else....... but i'll probably end up getting it in Nov! >Justin Meredith >Ikon Office Solutions >JUMERIDETH@IKON.COM / 480 731 3839 I think you'll find that whilst a lot of Japanese releases of albums by Western bands hit the shelves before their release date in Europe and the US, it's usually only by about a week or two. Chris Basford E-mail : chris_basford@btinternet.com ICQ : 41233978 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) How'd I forget this one??? Date: 07 Sep 2000 17:25:55 -0400 (EDT) > Lords of Acid: Voodoo You (is that the name?) Yes, but I think that only the unedited album cover for this works. Along the same vein, anyone seen the new Nashville Pussy album cover? :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: derrien@club-internet.fr Subject: Re: (orb) japanese Cydonia Date: 07 Sep 2000 23:38:25 +0200 >Meredith, Justin wrote : >> ordered cydonia about three weeks ago........... i am starting to >>wonder if cdzone can even get it before it's release. >> >> i thought i had a good chance of getting a released ver before anyone >>else....... but i'll probably end up getting it in Nov! >>Justin Meredith >>Ikon Office Solutions >>JUMERIDETH@IKON.COM / 480 731 3839 > >I think you'll find that whilst a lot of Japanese releases of albums by >Western bands hit the shelves before their release date in Europe and >the US, it's usually only by about a week or two. > Chris is right, I picked up a Japanese edition of Bjork "Selmasongs" yesterday. It will be released in Sept 22 all over the world according to nme.com JCFromParis "Don't you see? We're all in hell. I'm the only one who knows it." (Pam in The XFiles - Monday) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Moore Subject: RE: (orb) ORBULLETIN: FINAL (?) cydonia tracklisting... Date: 07 Sep 2000 23:27:21 +0100 >afaik, only terminus (which has FFWD-type stuff in it) involves Fripp in any >way... It's the occasional burst of Hidden that gets mixed in every so often, rather than brand new stuff as some had hoped (I certainly hoped). Never mind - roll on FFWD 2... (although without Thrash there this time - well I hope it doesn't make _too_ much of a difference) Something that's been taken out of Terminus, on the other hand, is the "cold air mass" sample. I half-expected to hear this on the Tape-beatles superb Music with Sound... perhaps another one? I have to wonder why LX took it out; the number of times it was played in the live versions, it'd pretty much become part of the track. >> I'm sure there's going to be a few people shouting "oh for >> f*cks sake" at >> this, but as long as neither end up with an annoying >> Liverpudlian drawling >> all over them (*cough* S.A.L.T. *gack*), I'll be over the moon (by the >> sounds of it they are actual songs not spoken word pieces so that's >> something at least). Once More and Ghostdancing were HUGE >> highlights for >> me... > >methinks you mean 'annoying Mancunian', sir. Many apologies for this slip, ladies and gents. Usually I don't have a problem with either accent, but plastering it over most of S.A.L.T.... It's just too much for me. I can only blame my impulsiveness. =/ Peace, Chis. chis:matrik | ambience&idm www.matrik.ndo.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben in Space Subject: Re: (orb) Music artwork Date: 07 Sep 2000 18:59:12 -0400 (EDT) okay, my big 5... 1. Pink floyd: wish you were here (original) full body burning guy shaking hands with another as though it were no big whoop. Awesome. 2. Negativland: Negativland all the covers were different. The album came in a 5" reel-to-reel box with recipe cards and images from old mccall's magazines pasted on the cover. 5000 copies sold, not one alike. I love it. 3. Takako Minekawa: FUN9 buying this CD in japan was one of the most enjoyable experiences i've ever had. It's like opening a new toy. You open it up and *gasp* the CD isn't where you think it should be... not in the tray... you search for it and find it in a soft-sleeve stuck between some cardboard layers. THe disk tray also says "it's good to put the disc here. -takako" Very cute but mad cool. 4. Negativland: Free I wonder how many people have been able to get this album without paying for it, as it has a giant "FREE" sticker on the cover above everything else... 5. Orb: Orblivion I know feelings about this record are mixed on the list, but making phallic monuments from around the world as the points of the classic ufORB star is about the most creative thing i've ever seen, and the execution ain't half bad either. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "That Ambient Guy" Subject: (orb) Music artwork Date: 07 Sep 2000 16:15:26 PDT 1. KLF - Chill Out 2. The Orb - Orblivion (not my favorite album, but great artwork) 3. Boards of Canada - Music has the Right to Children Weird, disconcerting, lo-fi looking, feels 70s but in an timeless way... Almost ethereal if anybody knows what I mean.. 4. Aphex Twin - Come to Daddy or SAW2 Come 2 Daddy is scary, but SAW2 has a beautiful, ancient feel to its cover matching the music, like it was found in a cave somewhere. 5. TWin Peaks soundtrack I bought the music before I'd seen twin peaks, just because the cover image, of the Twin Peaks sign and those misty, shrouded mountains behind was incredibly evocative. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "oobe" Subject: Re: (orb) Music artwork Date: 07 Sep 2000 18:37:02 -0500 > 2. The Orb - Orblivion (not my favorite album, but great artwork) I wish it hadn't come to this... people now feel they have to qualify their feelings on Orblivion, lest the snob-critics release the hounds on them. You know what? I'm sure just about everyone on this list owns at least few albums most would see as "bad taste" or pure rubbish. I, for instance, am listening to Book of Love's Witchcraft right now. HA! Sue me! oobe www.oobe.org # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lysergic Dream Subject: (orb) OT: klangwerk/chrome(?) Date: 07 Sep 2000 20:43:36 -0500 sorry for the off topic crosspost but this is driving me crazy... is there anyone out there who is familiar with the German bad Klangwerk? back in 1990, my girlfriend at the time had a twelve inch by them and i'm trying to find a copy of it... don't know the name of the record but any assistance would appreciated... on the same tip, from the same era does anyone know who does a track called "These Stars of Ours"? The tape i had has it labelled to Chrome but as I remember it, it is very different from anything put out by creed/edge/et al... thanks for any assistance and back to your regularly scheduled posts... lysergic ************* Coming Soon ************* The Lysergic Dream - Cult of the Dying Streetlamp This fall/winter on Uncle Buzz Records Check out http://www.zombieproject.com/lysergic for brand new sound samples! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick King" Subject: RE: (orb) Andy Hughes Date: 08 Sep 2000 03:27:48 +0100 > okay... the "andy wrote cydonia" comment is based totally on second-hand > interpretation of a possibly embittered and biased person. Think about ...Or it could have come from his press release: "Wrote and produced "Cydonia" in '98 which is still unreleased. Left the band in '00 Started solo tour in the summer of 2000." Love the short hair!! Check out http://www.angelbooking.com/artists/andyhughes.html for more info... ...So, the De La Soul & Neneh Cherry remixes were when he was working for DMC... I'll have to start looking out for those now! Laters, Nick ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Miller Subject: Re: (orb) lx @ betalounge Date: 07 Sep 2000 21:30:22 -0700 (PDT) --- merrick patton schaefer wrote: > the alex patterson set at the betalounge is quite > good. Agreed. Love that Elvis spun into the mix. LX played quite a bit of Orb stuff in it, mostly in the background, overlapping other tracks. Very different, dense, and appealing. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew sturgess Subject: Re: (orb) Music artwork Date: 08 Sep 2000 00:50:40 -0700 1. They Might Be Giants - Lincoln 2. Squarepusher - Big Loada 3. Orb - Orbus Terrarum 4. Kraftwerk - The Man Machine 5. Boredoms - Super Roots 6 -dr. blueberry pancakes, club HAPPYBEST (oxygen tent soundsystem) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Jan Bijleveld Subject: (orb) Orb MP3 Project update Date: 08 Sep 2000 03:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Sorry guys, I have had little time lately. I think I´ll post the tree update sunday or monday on my website. The first CDRs will be posted tomorrow. RJ www.orbology.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Smiley" Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia and labeling the package Date: 08 Sep 2000 14:58:02 +0100 john g wrote: > Anyone know whether MadArk are/were "mates" of LX or Andy? Or both? mates of LX, afaik. > Or whether they'll in fact be doing the Cydonia artwork? no idea at present - trying to find out... --- Smiley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben in Space Subject: Re: (orb) Music artwork Date: 08 Sep 2000 12:12:51 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Andrew sturgess wrote: > 4. Kraftwerk - The Man Machine Wow... I was _hoping_ someone would mention this one... I love it, I have the LP hanging on my wall next to my aubrey mixes vinyl. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ovation15@aol.com Subject: (orb) cover art/orblivion Date: 08 Sep 2000 13:16:07 EDT well i have to say my favorite album covers are 1. butthole surfers-locust abortion technitian 2. Mr. Bungle-Mr. Bungle see a pattern? :-) as for orblivion, i said it once ill say it again, I LOVE ORBLIVION, i was dumb struck when it came out. i think it was the perfect album they could have released at the time, very complex but still dance music (something they hadnt done in awhile). have fun peeps gemini # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ovation15@aol.com Subject: Re: (orb) lx @ betalounge Date: 08 Sep 2000 13:18:47 EDT amazing set, wow! did i heard 'Chill Out' playing during almost the whole set??? is someone ripping this/?? i can and upload it if needed. countdown to cydonia...... gemini # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Hill Subject: (orb) Cydonia Bonus Disc Date: 08 Sep 2000 12:34:47 -0500 (CDT) I deleted the e-mails, but someone mentioned a remix disc to be released and Smiley commented on possible Auntie Aubryey 2. I was thinking about it earlier and I wonder if this is somehow connected to websites listing Cydonia + Bonus as a Japanese import. Would this be the bonus disc, something like UF Off was done with limited and regular edition? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Christoph=20Kluxen?= Subject: (orb) select cuts from Blood&Fire Date: 08 Sep 2000 21:08:19 +0200 (CEST) Hi, the label from "select cuts from Blood&Fire" called echobeach,there is another interesting compilation (with youth)from that label (1999): Andes to the amazon Echo Beach 026 1 T-Power -The Inti Raymi 2 Aphrodite -QFlutes 3 Zone 12 - Moody Pan Pipes 4 Tribal Drift Innocence inside of ignorance (Remix) 5 Technicality Waor Animism 6 Transglobal Underground-Cazares Mix 7 Instant Xen The good way to the people 8 Pan Pacific Canopy 9 Mr.Psyche The drop 10 Fundamental Sufi Inca 11 Astralasia Orgo Mogo 12 Zion Train Anaconda 13 Youth Amethyst Dub 3:21 14 Suns of Arqa-Heart of the suns "...inspired by samples from Inca,an album of pre-hispanic Inca music...." CY, Christoph Now on: Ghost dancing (..now I love it...ich kann...verschwinde...wo bist du?...) __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Yahoo! Mail auf Ihrem Handy? - http://mobil.yahoo.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: (orb) Art from Alex on eBay Date: 08 Sep 2000 13:18:55 -0700 I was just doing my usual eBay-Orb search, and ran across this: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=426567045 Interesting concept... Chris np: Bassomatic - Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Bass # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: derrien@club-internet.fr Subject: Re: (orb) Art from Alex on eBay Date: 09 Sep 2000 00:53:15 +0200 >I was just doing my usual eBay-Orb search, and ran across this: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=426567045 > >Interesting concept... > >Chris > >np: Bassomatic - Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Bass > > It's a picture taken from a French magazine called Coda. (or at least it was from this picture session). JCFromParis "Don't you see? We're all in hell. I'm the only one who knows it." (Pam in The XFiles - Monday) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alex Gould Subject: (orb) new lister on bro ;) Date: 09 Sep 2000 09:25:31 +0100 (BST) hello peeps, just seeing if my posting goes tot eh orb list. I am a new lister. cheers. ~~~~ Lx Gould Computer Science University of Wales, Aberystwyth. ~~~~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alex Gould" Subject: (orb) another test sorry :( Date: 09 Sep 2000 09:38:11 +0100 hello again fellow listers , i am just testing my posting to the orb list. sorry i am doing it again, its just that i chose the wrong email for teh list b4 :) ~~~~~ Alex GouLd [abg8@aber.ac.uk] ;) ~~ "i see a worLd of magic, a worLd of chiLdhood innocence, Love, Learning, and hope! a worLd i once knew a Long time ago!" repLied Luke, aLmost forgetting to take a breath as he spoke. "come Luke, Learn and reLearn all that you have forgotten!" said the yeLLow wise rug. - Luke SLater's 7th PLain "my yeLLow wise rug" [hardcore music(PubLishers)Ltd] on GPR Ltd. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alex Gould" Subject: RE: (orb) lx @ betalounge Date: 09 Sep 2000 10:02:33 +0100 ello gemini. just wondering, where is the betalounge?? btw, does anyone know some good ambient clubs in London?? I new of some in brixton once but I dunno if they are there anymore? cheer.s # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chain Reaction Subject: (orb) Orb's near future on stage..? Date: 09 Sep 2000 06:37:13 -0400 (EDT) I was wondering... Now that the 'technician'/engineer/button wizard has left the band, how will this gap be filled live on stage? Does this mean we don't have to expect a live tour very soon, accompanying the release of the new album...? That would really be a sad thing... :-< Steph... "Life films us exactly" -Vladislav Delay ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Miller Subject: RE: (orb) lx @ betalounge Date: 09 Sep 2000 19:50:29 -0700 (PDT) --- Alex Gould wrote: > > ello gemini. > > just wondering, where is the betalounge?? San Francisco. I just converted it to cd. 2 discs, 104 minutes. Gavin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rachel Subject: RE: (orb) lx @ betalounge Date: 10 Sep 2000 16:54:02 -0700 >just wondering, where is the betalounge?? BetaLounge is actually a basement in HotWired's basement (here in San Francisco). sadly, they are only a virtual entity, so there was no way to catch the show live... =) rachel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alex Gould" <_root_@libertysurf.co.uk> Subject: RE: (orb) lx @ betalounge Date: 11 Sep 2000 01:19:57 +0100 > >just wondering, where is the betalounge?? > BetaLounge is actually a basement in HotWired's basement > (here in San > Francisco). sadly, they are only a virtual entity, so > there was no way to > catch the show live... > > =) > rachel ahha, now I know :O) thanks Rachel. heh. cheers. A # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Jan Bijleveld" Subject: (orb) Orb MP3 Project FINAL Update Date: 11 Sep 2000 22:56:55 +0200 I posted a list of all people and more details on my website. RJ www.orbology.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Josephhannah1@aol.com Subject: (orb) Orb Spotting!! Date: 11 Sep 2000 17:50:01 EDT Gracious hellos Orbearnauts: Steph had posted "if the Orb will tour" this Cydonia gimmick or not and I am afraid not in the U.S. I do think that there will be a date or two for the Intl. though. I just had spoken with the "anti-guru of rave" himself, Duncan, and indeed he cannot take the Orb on tour. I am not sure if it was because of the developing BADORB label / website, or if it was because of the number of vocal projects (more members on the road = more friction on tour)or the ever elusive money problem. I am sure it was a combo in and of itself. Anyhow, the time and opporitunity for turntable artists is not going to be lost if the Orb don't come to U.S. Did anyone hear that more turntables were sold than any other "instrument" (piano or guitar)? "...how it feels to be this alive?" I also asked Alex if he had ever tried wavesliding... He told me of a magical lake in Italy, and he had also tried the Sport of Kings (ancient polyneisian hawaiians invented surfing) down under!! ..in Austrailia. As if you all had not had enough Survivor/Ozzie laced propaganda!!! Anthony Bryan has in his possesion new photos of Alex and spherical community members in Jax's club Evolution. He also has a flyer from the show. All of this will be scanned onto his electric Pompano website ASAP. He said himself that they are great! I think Alex is great even if he can't package the Orb on tour in the US 2,000. Maybe someday he will come to my home state and "Run for the Turtles" on the "Whitest Sand in the World." Check this out Orb Freaks! http://www.sarasota_online.com/track/turtlerun_male.htm View photos and Scroll down to the 20 - 24 year young males!! P.S. "Who says that they don't remember second place!" Now Playing = "Apoptygma Berserk - Come Lie Next To Me" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) Orb MP3 Project FINAL Update Date: 11 Sep 2000 14:58:00 -0700 Robert Jan Bijleveld wrote: > > I posted a list of all people and more details on my website. > > RJ > www.orbology.com Robert, thanks for all the time an effort you've put into this project. I for one certainly appreciate it. (If you ever need a favor from someone in Los Angeles, just ask.) :) That said, (and I know what a pain setting up a tree is), I think we (the members of the tree) need to discuss a few things. Perhaps a a disposable eGroup list, so we don't clutter the main Orblist? My main concern is the number of branches at each generation; the way it is currently set up (and considering the number of CD-Roms involved), it could easily take 4-6 months to get this distributed. AFAIC, once I've gone to the trouble of extracting the files, I'd rather burn more copies than fewer. Even upping it to three copies from each of us makes distribution much faster. We may also want to discuss some sort of community standards as far as reimbursement for those making copies. I know that opinion on the "value" of CD-Rs varies greatly on this list... ;) Does anyone else think another, temporary mailing list would be a good idea? Or should I just put a sock in it? ;) Chris np: The Shamen - Stars On 25 Remix Collection # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Subject: Re: (orb) Orb MP3 Project FINAL Update Date: 11 Sep 2000 18:03:41 -0400 (EDT) > Does anyone else think another, temporary mailing list would be a good > idea? Or should I just put a sock in it? ;) I think it's a good idea, also. It could easily clutter up the mailing list even more than a *gasp* "your favorite 10 non-orb bands" thread =) ---- Jeff Script kiddies taste like chicken # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Gagen Subject: RE: (orb) Orb's near future on stage..? Date: 11 Sep 2000 17:09:12 -0500 As I understand it, Alex has now kicked himself out of the band due to creative issues surrounding the production of Cydonia. An animatronic facsimile of Alex and 2 of his pet terrapins will be completing the album and the subsequent tour. :) Don I was wondering... Now that the 'technician'/engineer/button wizard has left the band, how will this gap be filled live on stage? Does this mean we don't have to expect a live tour very soon, accompanying the release of the new album...? That would really be a sad thing... :-< Steph... sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) Orb MP3 Project FINAL Update Date: 11 Sep 2000 16:50:34 -0700 OK. I've started an unmoderated eGroup for this. You can sign up at: http://www.egroups.com/group/stuff4orbies If anyone has heartburn with eGroups, or a better solution, please let us know. I haven't (and won't) given them anyone's address but my own. Otherwise, if you are on the MP3 tree, please sign up, and we can get this moving. After a bit, I'll send a personal email to the people who haven't signed up, just in case they aren't on the Orblist. Chris np: Gone In 60 Seconds soundtrack (live that Alabama 3 track...) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Shah Subject: Re: (orb) Orb MP3 Project FINAL Update Date: 11 Sep 2000 17:45:36 -0700 On Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 02:58:00PM -0700, Chris Johnson wrote: > Does anyone else think another, temporary mailing list would be a good > idea? Or should I just put a sock in it? ;) Everyone on the list should send me their email addy and I'll create orb-distro@planetoid.org. -Steve -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Steve Shah (sshah@planetoid.org) | SysAdmin/Coder/Gabbernaut/DJ/Writer/Minister http://www.planetoid.org | We're not dropping out, we're infiltrating. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Life is best measured in beats per minute. How alive are you? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) Orb MP3 Project FINAL Update Date: 11 Sep 2000 18:01:11 -0700 Steve Shah wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 02:58:00PM -0700, Chris Johnson wrote: > > Does anyone else think another, temporary mailing list would be a good > > idea? Or should I just put a sock in it? ;) > > Everyone on the list should send me their email addy and I'll > create orb-distro@planetoid.org. Cool. Privacy is good. I'll send the message to the people who've already signed up for the eGroup. Thanks! Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Shah Subject: (orb) Neil Fairchild Date: 11 Sep 2000 20:41:43 -0700 If Neil Fairchild is on the list, please drop me an e-mail. Thanks. -Steve -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Steve Shah (sshah@planetoid.org) | SysAdmin/Coder/Gabbernaut/DJ/Writer/Minister http://www.planetoid.org | We're not dropping out, we're infiltrating. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Life is best measured in beats per minute. How alive are you? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Shah Subject: (orb) Looking for... Date: 11 Sep 2000 20:55:36 -0700 I'm also looking for: Joachim Slikker, Anthony Bryan, and Pascal Calaro. If you folks are on the list (or someone knows where they are), I would very much appreciate you telling me. Thanks, -Steve ObOrb: Finally got my 1200's. Definately a change of pace from the Denons. At least I can finally listen to my Orb wax.... Mmmmm.... -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Steve Shah (sshah@planetoid.org) | SysAdmin/Coder/Gabbernaut/DJ/Writer/Minister http://www.planetoid.org | We're not dropping out, we're infiltrating. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Life is best measured in beats per minute. How alive are you? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Shah Subject: (orb) Looking for... Date: 11 Sep 2000 20:55:36 -0700 I'm also looking for: Joachim Slikker, Anthony Bryan, and Pascal Calaro. If you folks are on the list (or someone knows where they are), I would very much appreciate you telling me. Thanks, -Steve ObOrb: Finally got my 1200's. Definately a change of pace from the Denons. At least I can finally listen to my Orb wax.... Mmmmm.... -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Steve Shah (sshah@planetoid.org) | SysAdmin/Coder/Gabbernaut/DJ/Writer/Minister http://www.planetoid.org | We're not dropping out, we're infiltrating. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Life is best measured in beats per minute. How alive are you? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Shah Subject: (orb) Just to clarify Date: 12 Sep 2000 07:33:37 -0700 Hi Everyone, Just to clarify - I'm not in charge of handling the tree. RJ has been doing all the hard work here -- I just setup a mailing list for this project so the main list doesn't get cluttered. There are also people who expressed interest in joining the tree at this point. I'm not the person to talk to since I'm just a leaf (no CDR). If you are not already on the list located on the orbology.com page, you should talk to RJ (rj@bijleveld.com). If you already are listed on on RJ's page as being in the tree, you should have gotten a few messages from the special list last night. (Well, night for me anyway...) If you got that message, you are on the new list and don't need to send me a request to add to the list. -Steve -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Steve Shah (sshah@planetoid.org) | SysAdmin/Coder/Gabbernaut/DJ/Writer/Minister http://www.planetoid.org | We're not dropping out, we're infiltrating. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Life is best measured in beats per minute. How alive are you? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?zenlab=AE?= Subject: Re: (orb) Looking for... Date: 12 Sep 2000 19:28:43 -0400 : ObOrb: Finally got my 1200's. Definately a change of pace from the : Denons. At least I can finally listen to my Orb wax.... Mmmmm.... "Big Ups" as they would say. is wax really that much better to spin with? just curious. » eric³ » web developer . pixel pusher » zenlab : enlightened web designs » www.thezenlab.com » ZeroChaos.com » www.zerochaos.com » Freelancers! Click Here! » ScreamDesign.com » www.screamdesign.com » Learning Place for the Web Generation # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?zenlab=AE?= Subject: Re: (orb) Orb's near future on stage..? Date: 12 Sep 2000 19:27:07 -0400 : As I understand it, Alex has now kicked himself out of the band due to : creative issues surrounding the production of Cydonia. An animatronic : facsimile of Alex and 2 of his pet terrapins will be completing the album : and the subsequent tour. Don, That was the witty-est thing I've heard all day. all week perhaps. orb on you. » eric³ » web developer . pixel pusher » zenlab : enlightened web designs » www.thezenlab.com » ZeroChaos.com » www.zerochaos.com » Freelancers! Click Here! » ScreamDesign.com » www.screamdesign.com » Learning Place for the Web Generation # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George E Williams Subject: (orb) poss sample spotted Date: 12 Sep 2000 18:33:40 -0700 Miles Davis - Get up with it - Calypso Frelimo (its the Organ thats so prevalent in the first 10-12 minutes of the track) possibly sampled on The Orb - Orbus Terarrum - Slug Dub also, is there a more up-to-date list of samples than what is on the www.theorb.com website? ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dRoP Subject: Re: (orb) Looking for... Date: 12 Sep 2000 18:58:33 -0700 (PDT) i've found that wax actually sounds better on big systems, imho. other than that, sheer control over what's on the deck ... i doubt there will ever be a cd unit that will match the control (especially in cueing) of putting a needle on a record and manipulating it with your hands, both in terms of the practical and the visceral. and, as an ambient/downtempo dj who doesn't discriminate against formats (cd, vinyl, mp3, a fuckin' kazoo plugged thru a delay pedal), i hate to say it, but when you're spinning out people just take you more seriously when you're using wax. :( ;)> steve0 --- zenlab® wrote: > is wax really that much better to spin with? just > curious. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dRoP Subject: Re: (orb) Looking for... Date: 12 Sep 2000 19:00:04 -0700 (PDT) i've found that wax actually sounds better on big systems, imho. other than that, sheer control over what's on the deck ... i doubt there will ever be a cd unit that will match the control (especially in cueing) of putting a needle on a record and manipulating it with your hands, both in terms of the practical and the visceral. and, as an ambient/downtempo dj who doesn't discriminate against formats (cd, vinyl, mp3, a fuckin' kazoo plugged thru a delay pedal), i hate to say it, but when you're spinning out people just take you more seriously when you're using wax. :( ;)> --- zenlab® wrote: > is wax really that much better to spin with? just > curious. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Bennett Subject: (orb) speaking of samples.. Date: 13 Sep 2000 10:11:58 +0800 (WST) hullo all, this is my first post. this might have been spotted before but since it's not in the sample list, and i haven't seen it noted anywhere, perhaps this will be more impetus to update. :) on the remixed innersphere track 'Out Of Body' on AAEBtCoD disc 2, there's a sample from the movie 'Flatliners' that has kevin bacon relating to his friends about what it was like to die. it sounds like it might be slowed down or processed a bit from the film, it sounds a lot grainier. 'i may've felt something.. like a dream, or just a bunch of stuff stored up inside my mind..' and 'it's hard to verbalise. i.. i d'know, it's like.. like being paranoid without the fear, like being watched..' so there it is. sorry if it's been noted before. womble -- ............................................................ womble: http://home.it.net.au/~womble/ "she's often inclined to borrow somebody's dreams 'til tomorrow." ............................................................ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Basscadet@webtv.net Subject: (orb) (OT)Mu-ziq Date: 12 Sep 2000 19:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Just heard to "Autmn Acid" from Royal Astronomy, and I swear I thought there really was something scratching the inside of my skull trying to get out. I almost kacked myself......Fuckin awesome!!!! What an incredible CD. I never really heard that much of their stuff, Any recommendations? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Basscadet@webtv.net Subject: (orb) (OT)Mu-ziq Date: 12 Sep 2000 19:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Just heard to "Autmn Acid" from Royal Astronomy, and I swear I thought there really was something scratching the inside of my skull trying to get out. I almost kacked myself......Fuckin awesome!!!! What an incredible CD. I never really heard that much of their stuff, Any recommendations? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dr. Digeridoo p.B.s" Subject: Re: (orb) (OT)µ-ziq Date: 13 Sep 2000 02:48:26 EDT Lunatic Harness is my favorite. Nick >I never really heard that much of their stuff, Any >recommendations? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Smiley" Subject: RE: (orb) (OT)Mu-ziq Date: 13 Sep 2000 10:19:45 +0100 basscadet wrote: > Just heard to "Autmn Acid" from Royal Astronomy, and I swear I thought > there really was something scratching the inside of my skull trying to > get out. I almost kacked myself......Fuckin awesome!!!! What an > incredible CD. I never really heard that much of their stuff, Any > recommendations? mike paradinas (for he is mu-ziq) is a f*****g genius, in my ever so humble opinion. i would recommend buying ANYTHING he's done. he's recorded under numerous names: Kid Spatula, Mu-Ziq, Jake Slazenger, Gary Moscheles, Tusken Raiders, Mike & Rich (with Richard James), Slag Boom Van Loon (with Speedy J)... as a first start, i would highly recommend: Kid Spatula - Full Sunken Breaks mu-ziq - bluff limbo, salsa with mesquite, lunatic harness, urmur bile tracks 1 + 2 jake slazenger - makes a racket check out this EXCELLENT site: www.jega.madvision.co.uk cheers, --- Smiley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vince Frank" Subject: (orb) (Fwd) New Releases at CDNOW! Date: 13 Sep 2000 08:51:38 -0500 ===>Orb-related...sort of.... ______________________________________________________________________ Rickie Lee Jones It's Like This $13.99 The great Rickie Lee Jones is joined by Taj Mahal, Ben Folds, and Joe Jackson on her newest -- an album of her own versions of popular tunes. Includes great songs from Steely Dan, the Beatles, Traffic, and Marvin Gaye. Go to It's Like This now: http://p04.com/t.d?CkIgWT8-=/cdnow.com/switch/target=album/lcc=6551+751054+2/from=rex:x:cdn:nr000912 ===>Also, is Holly Gould still on this list? If so, I *still* haven't seen the movie, _House of Yes_. This made me think of it: ______________________________________________________________________ Yes House Of Yes: Live At The House Of Blues $17.99 The glory years of art rock heroes Yes are brought back to life in this special 2-CD concert recording from the House of Blues, Las Vegas in 1999. The majestic sounds of "Roundabout," "Yours Is No Disgrace," and "Owner of a Lonely Heart" are transformed delicately from arena anthems to intimate compositions by the venue and the sheer talents of the band members. Go to House Of Yes: Live At The House Of Blues now: http://p04.com/t.d?PEIgWT8-=/cdnow.com/switch/target=album/lcc=38957+78084+2/from=rex:x:cdn:nr000912 ===>Oh well. Later! Vince # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) Looking for... Date: 13 Sep 2000 09:30:54 -0400 (EDT) > is wax really that much better to spin with? just curious. Depends on how you define "better." I mean, I find that it is much easier to match beats with vinyl than with cds (particularly if you're limited to the kind that doesn't even have pitch control). Plus the vocoding software that a lot of CD players use for pitch control is not so good (when you want to speed up or slow down a digital recording you have to process it in such a way so as to either spread out or squish up the samples, and if you do so too much you get distortion). Whereas, with wax being analog, you can speed up or slow down and still get the same clean sound. Plus you have direct tactile feedback from the records, which is nice. In the end it's a personal choice, but I like vinyl personally. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "That Ambient Guy" Subject: (orb) muziq Date: 13 Sep 2000 07:38:34 PDT >Lunatic Harness is my favorite. > >Nick I second that motion. His first album, Tango n Vectiff is very good, too. The Uziq theme song is really nice. NOW PLAYING: LX Mixmag Live _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "That Ambient Guy" Subject: (orb) muziq Date: 13 Sep 2000 07:38:51 PDT >Lunatic Harness is my favorite. > >Nick I second that motion. His first album, Tango n Vectiff is very good, too. The Uziq theme song is really nice. NOW PLAYING: LX Mixmag Live _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Shah Subject: Re: (orb) Looking for... Date: 13 Sep 2000 07:53:01 -0700 On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 09:30:54AM -0400, Benjamin L. May wrote: > > is wax really that much better to spin with? just curious. > > Depends on how you define "better." I mean, I find that it is much > easier to match beats with vinyl than with cds (particularly if you're > limited to the kind that doesn't even have pitch control). If you are looking at CD players, check out some of the newer ones that have the huge jog wheel for pitch adjustments. The only CD player that doesn't have it that I'd still suggest looking at are the Denons. I love my DN-1000F's. Don't waste your time on any of the Gemini CD players. I've heard more people complain about theirs dying than I care to remember... If you are serious about mixing CD's, don't waste your time on trying to do it with stock CD players either. Granted, you can get creative with the pause button, but it is way too much effort for so little result. > Plus the > vocoding software that a lot of CD players use for pitch control is not so > good (when you want to speed up or slow down a digital recording you have > to process it in such a way so as to either spread out or squish up the > samples, and if you do so too much you get distortion). > Whereas, with wax being analog, you can speed up or slow down and > still get the same clean sound. The only pitch control CD players that I've heard produce odd sounding music when pitched up or down a lot are the first generation master tempo units. (Master tempo is a bad name for the feature -- what it does is hold the pitch of the song in place while allowing you to only alter the tempo. A great way to keep the chipmunk effect from getting out of control.) But from my last check, we're at least three generations into that type of software and it sounds fine. (My experience anyway.) > Plus you have direct tactile feedback from > the records, which is nice. This is unarguable. I love my 1200's for this very reason. It's this whole visual/tactile feedback that you get from wax that CD's just can't do. My only gripe with wax is that if you have to lug it around, it's damn heavy. You can pack a lot more CD's into less space. > In the end it's a personal choice, but I like vinyl personally. Exactly. One thing to consider though is whether you intend to take your gig on the road. If you are mostly doing weddings, non-rave/dance events, then you'll probably find CD's to be handier. You'll be able to find your music much more easily and deal with people (esp. in wedding situations) that want you to play something that they own. And of course, you can take a crap load more CD's with you than you can vinyl. OTOH, if you want to mostly focus on dancey/techno/house/ambient/stuff then go wax. You'll find most of that is available on wax before its out on CD (if it even ever touches CD). Plus, if you go to a gig, they are most likely to have 1200's for you to use which means you'll have to bring your CD equipment and find a place to setup at each event. No fun... Another thing to think about if you want to do the latter but have to do more of the former, is to get CD players and then one stock no-pitch turntable. Then you can buy wax, burn it to CD, and mix with that. Not as much fun as mixing with wax, but at least you get the music which in the end is what matters the most. -Steve -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Steve Shah (sshah@planetoid.org) | SysAdmin/Coder/Gabbernaut/DJ/Writer/Minister http://www.planetoid.org | We're not dropping out, we're infiltrating. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Life is best measured in beats per minute. How alive are you? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ovation15@aol.com Subject: Re: (orb) Looking for... Date: 13 Sep 2000 14:21:03 EDT well i agree that vinyl is the best all around way to spin/mix. people brought some really good points up. i also think that for the most mixing/spinning fun you should have 2 turntables and 2 CD drives (i like the pioneers) but of course that is very expensive and out of reach for most begginers (im still waiting to get my Cd drives). so i suggest start with tables and go from there. in reply to the comments on that for techno style spinning get vinyl because there are alot of things that dont go to CD. also there is alot of stuff that never makes it to vinyl, not as much but deffinatley a good amount. also if you have a burner then CD drives are great to just download some MP3s burn em then your spinnin new shit at the cost of a CDR! CHEAP! i unfortunatley am using my home CD player with my turntables but i do get the benefits of the burner/MP3 advantage. in a nutt shell they both have pluses and minuses. on this topic i have a gemini PT-2000 II direct drive turntable i am lookin to get rid of and replace with a 1200 to match my other one. they are nice and have reverse, pitch bend and +/- 10 pitch control (all things the 1200 doesnt). it is in like brand new condition, i bought it a year ago. just looking to upgrade. if you might be interested in purchasing it or trading some rare orb records for this table, or have questions e-mail me at ovation15@aol.com gemini In a message dated Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:53:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Steve Shah writes: << On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 09:30:54AM -0400, Benjamin L. May wrote: > > is wax really that much better to spin with? just curious. > > Depends on how you define "better." I mean, I find that it is much > easier to match beats with vinyl than with cds (particularly if you're > limited to the kind that doesn't even have pitch control). If you are looking at CD players, check out some of the newer ones that have the huge jog wheel for pitch adjustments. The only CD player that doesn't have it that I'd still suggest looking at are the Denons. I love my DN-1000F's. Don't waste your time on any of the Gemini CD players. I've heard more people complain about theirs dying than I care to remember... If you are serious about mixing CD's, don't waste your time on trying to do it with stock CD players either. Granted, you can get creative with the pause button, but it is way too much effort for so little result. > Plus the > vocoding software that a lot of CD players use for pitch control is not so > good (when you want to speed up or slow down a digital recording you have > to process it in such a way so as to either spread out or squish up the > samples, and if you do so too much you get distortion). > Whereas, with wax being analog, you can speed up or slow down and > still get the same clean sound. The only pitch control CD players that I've heard produce odd sounding music when pitched up or down a lot are the first generation master tempo units. (Master tempo is a bad name for the feature -- what it does is hold the pitch of the song in place while allowing you to only alter the tempo. A great way to keep the chipmunk effect from getting out of control.) But from my last check, we're at least three generations into that type of software and it sounds fine. (My experience anyway.) > Plus you have direct tactile feedback from > the records, which is nice. This is unarguable. I love my 1200's for this very reason. It's this whole visual/tactile feedback that you get from wax that CD's just can't do. My only gripe with wax is that if you have to lug it around, it's damn heavy. You can pack a lot more CD's into less space. > In the end it's a personal choice, but I like vinyl personally. Exactly. One thing to consider though is whether you intend to take your gig on the road. If you are mostly doing weddings, non-rave/dance events, then you'll probably find CD's to be handier. You'll be able to find your music much more easily and deal with people (esp. in wedding situations) that want you to play something that they own. And of course, you can take a crap load more CD's with you than you can vinyl. OTOH, if you want to mostly focus on dancey/techno/house/ambient/stuff then go wax. You'll find most of that is available on wax before its out on CD (if it even ever touches CD). Plus, if you go to a gig, they are most likely to have 1200's for you to use which means you'll have to bring your CD equipment and find a place to setup at each event. No fun... Another thing to think about if you want to do the latter but have to do more of the former, is to get CD players and then one stock no-pitch turntable. Then you can buy wax, burn it to CD, and mix with that. Not as much fun as mixing with wax, but at least you get the music which in the end is what matters the most. -Steve -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Steve Shah (sshah@planetoid.org) | SysAdmin/Coder/Gabbernaut/DJ/Writer/Minister http://www.planetoid.org | We're not dropping out, we're infiltrating. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Life is best measured in beats per minute. How alive are you? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: brett Subject: Re: (orb) Looking for... Date: 13 Sep 2000 12:12:36 -0700 (PDT) vaugly on topic Has anyone seen or played with final scratch for beos ( http://www.n2it.net/finalscratch/index.html) essentially you get two special records and some software and a box (simple mixer?). You need dual sound cards in the box i belive. plug two turntables in and the special records allow you to map mp3s on them, allowing you to mix mp3s using the records as input. im wondering how it sounds when you pitch it up down. and do other turntable tricks with it. brett wagner | brett@madhouse.org get committed! | http://www.madhouse.org On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 Ovation15@aol.com wrote: > > well i agree that vinyl is the best all around way to spin/mix. people brought some really good points up. i also think that for the most mixing/spinning fun you should have 2 turntables and 2 CD drives (i like the pioneers) but of course that is very expensive and out of reach for most begginers (im still waiting to get my Cd drives). so i suggest start with tables and go from there. > in reply to the comments on that for techno style spinning get vinyl because there are alot of things that dont go to CD. also there is alot of stuff that never makes it to vinyl, not as much but deffinatley a good amount. also if you have a burner then CD drives are great to just download some MP3s burn em then your spinnin new shit at the cost of a CDR! CHEAP! i unfortunatley am using my home CD player with my turntables but i do get the benefits of the burner/MP3 advantage. in a nutt shell they both have pluses and minuses. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony Bryan Subject: Re: (orb) poss sample spotted & Jo's Jax LX encounter Date: 13 Sep 2000 15:16:59 -0400 (EDT) > Miles Davis - Get up with it - Calypso Frelimo (its the Organ thats so > prevalent in the first 10-12 minutes of the track) > possibly sampled on > The Orb - Orbus Terarrum - Slug Dub > > also, is there a more up-to-date list of samples than what is on the > www.theorb.com website? check out http://www.pompano.net/~albryan/orbknow.html for a pretty good semi-up-to-datelist of samples. also see http://www.pompano.net/~albryan/orbjax2k.html for Jo Hannah's experience w/ LXP & pictures. ant # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LiquidW@aol.com Subject: Re: (orb) muziq Date: 13 Sep 2000 17:07:56 EDT My most listened to would have to be urmur bile trax 2 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "oobe" Subject: Re: (orb) Looking for... Date: 13 Sep 2000 16:51:19 -0500 I couldn't speak of the control aspects of spinning wax vs. CD since I've never DJ'd in my life, but the sonic superiorities of CD over vinyl are simple mathematical fact, at least in terms of dynamic range. That is, the difference between reproducing the "soft" or "loud" within the recording. Vinyl only has a limited dynamic range of 20db or so, while CD's allow a full dynamic range of 100db. The ability to exploit this range, however, is dependent on the playback system of course (speakers, amplifiers, and the room in which you are listening to it in). But I like vinyl for the sentimental reasons. :) oobe www.oobe.org > > i've found that wax actually sounds better on big > systems, imho. other than that, sheer control over > what's on the deck ... i doubt there will ever be a cd > unit that will match the control (especially in cueing) > of putting a needle on a record and manipulating it > with your hands, both in terms of the practical and the > visceral # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Shah Subject: Re: (orb) Looking for... Date: 13 Sep 2000 15:11:28 -0700 On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 04:51:19PM -0500, oobe wrote: > I couldn't speak of the control aspects of spinning wax vs. CD since I've > never DJ'd in my life, but the sonic superiorities of CD over vinyl are > simple mathematical fact, at least in terms of dynamic range. That is, the > difference between reproducing the "soft" or "loud" within the recording. > Vinyl only has a limited dynamic range of 20db or so, while CD's allow a > full dynamic range of 100db. The ability to exploit this range, however, is > dependent on the playback system of course (speakers, amplifiers, and the > room in which you are listening to it in). But I like vinyl for the > sentimental reasons. :) Uh oh... the digital vs. analog wars are about to begin... ;-) My experience has been that even a loud stereo is loud enough to hide details between wax and cd. Another detail is that most wax being shipped today is of much higher quality than what you may have rememebered from previous decades. From my understanding, this has to do with the fact that most labels only put one track per side and give the groove enough space to keep a rich, high quality sound. Being both wax and cd enabled, I honestly can't tell the difference. And I can hear the galloping horses creeping up quite well, thank you. =) -Steve -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Steve Shah (sshah@planetoid.org) | SysAdmin/Coder/Gabbernaut/DJ/Writer/Minister http://www.planetoid.org | We're not dropping out, we're infiltrating. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Life is best measured in beats per minute. How alive are you? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "oobe" Subject: (orb) Vinyl and cd's Date: 13 Sep 2000 18:46:18 -0500 :-) well, I don't know about "warmness", but of course there are distinct qualities to the sound of wax that some just naturally prefer. Mainly there are two distinctions: interference and distortion, both of which are different from the kinds involved with CDs. Vinyl players introduce a high frequency interference in the sound which is produced from the needle on the record. Likewise, there is an inherent type of distortion in vinyl media that differs from CD. You can take identical playback systems and analyze the audio spectrum of a CD and wax record of the same song and look at the differences between the distortion introduced. The same can be done with playback systems themselves, between digital and vacuum tube amps. Some people just like the way sans-digital sounds more so than full digital, and a lot of it has to do with this natural attraction to distinct interference and distortion. and then there's the other factor which is heavily involved with one's preference: we romanticize the "yesteryear" ear of the media, which is why *I* like it. :-) (i'm not just saying that. i really do like vinyl, especialy my 4LP version of Live93!!). with all my orb, oobe www.oobe.org > well i deffinatley appreciate what you are sayin and i dont believe anyone > can really argue that point, BUT, there is a warmness and full sound you get > with vinyl that CDs just cant compair with. mathematics cannot measure that. > i have quite a few albums on CD and vinyl so i have compared. digital has a > more precise sound while vinyls have more soul. i know this may sound like > bull shit to some of you but my ears dont lie to me :-P > > gemini # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kael Driscoll Subject: (orb) the great vinyl debate of 2000 Date: 14 Sep 2000 08:18:50 +0800 my 2 cents worth (which is not a lot seeing as it is an aussie 2 cents): vinyl rocks Now I am no expert, but I was told that vinyl has a better sonic range than CDs, cos on CDs they compress the music and cut off the inaudible low and high frequencies to make more room on the disc. This certainly seems to be the case when you play jungle on a big PA... I have played the same song from vinyl and cd: vinyl, huge booming basslines like crazy, CD just couldn't reproduce it. I mean, the needle to groove is an analog relationship... all frequencies are produced and picked up, its just about the playback equipment. But CDs? They are digital (discrete) and therefore the frequencies have been CHOSEN to appear there. BTW I had a thought... if the record companies really want to protect the artists, they should stop selling CDs and make everyone get Turntables again, and then only sell vinyl! People could still use mp3s etc, and burn their own discs, just like home taping, but they would have to buy the lovely vinyl if they wanted to OWN it and collect it. Hows that for a crazy idea? cheers DJ KL p.s. the bloody olympics start tomorrow... now I know how everyone in atlanta felt, and I don't even live in sydney # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Bennett Subject: Re: (orb) the great vinyl debate of 2000 Date: 14 Sep 2000 09:12:03 +0800 (WST) hullo, turns out flatliners was noted on one site but not the whole text. sorry. : my 2 cents worth (which is not a lot seeing as it is an aussie 2 cents): mm tell me about it. (ooh, you're not only in perth but you're at UWA too.) : Now I am no expert, but I was told that vinyl has a better sonic range than : CDs, cos on CDs they compress the music and cut off the inaudible low and : high frequencies to make more room on the disc. This certainly seems to be : the case when you play jungle on a big PA... I have played the same song : from vinyl and cd: vinyl, huge booming basslines like crazy, CD just : couldn't reproduce it. i thought that was minidiscs where they did that? minidiscs compress things down a lot, drop everything above 18khz or so i hear. i do notice that CDs tend to skew the EQ towards the bottom a bit, vinyl's much clearer for mid- and high-end, or perhaps it's just the stuff i've heard.. then again a lot of vinyl zealots were saying all kinds of foul things about CDs when first they came out so you never know 'til you do your own tests. :) : BTW I had a thought... if the record companies really want to protect the : artists, they should stop selling CDs and make everyone get Turntables : again, and then only sell vinyl! People could still use mp3s etc, and burn : their own discs, just like home taping, but they would have to buy the : lovely vinyl if they wanted to OWN it and collect it. Hows that for a crazy : idea? people are too accustomed to their _compact_ discs to go back en masse, i think. you have however made me consider yet again the idea of going to Dada's and relieving them of a couple of Orb LPs i've had my eye on for a while now.. for diagnostic and comparative purposes only, you understand. : p.s. the bloody olympics start tomorrow... now I know how everyone in : atlanta felt, and I don't even live in sydney i'm about sick of all this hype, and i'm a bit worried that the army's legally allowed to shoot us at their discretion now. :/ -- ............................................................ womble: http://home.it.net.au/~womble/ "she's often inclined to borrow somebody's dreams 'til tomorrow." ............................................................ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "oobe" Subject: Re: (orb) the great vinyl debate of 2000 Date: 13 Sep 2000 20:46:26 -0500 > Now I am no expert, but I was told that vinyl has a better sonic range than > CDs, cos on CDs they compress the music and cut off the inaudible low and > high frequencies to make more room on the disc. Hmm... not too sure about this. This is a bandwidth issue. There *are* things companies do to the audio that goes on CDs. What, I don't know, but would love to find out. For example, 7 minutes of raw stereo audio comprises about 100MB. Yet, a compact disc can only hold 800MB of information = 56 minutes of audio. So, how are there CDs that run longer than 70 minutes? Also consider that huge portion of the memory on a CD contains error-correction information, some say up to half the disc is nothing more than error correction. Without the burned error correction algorithms on a compact disc, they wouldn't even work. Not too sure if I trust the estimates that declare this to be half the disc, but still... Of course, it also had to do with the recording environment. For example, I can take a audio clip that is 8-bit and 22KHz, and turn around and record this at 24-bit/96KHz, and guess what? The file is about 10 times the size, and sounds exactly the same as the original, because the original recording was sampled at a lower bit rate and resolution! Of course, this has nothing to do with vinyl vs. CDs heh. ;-) But yes, high quality mp3's are better than minidiscs. Minidiscs are okay for portable sample recorders. You can go to a forest at night and record the night crawlers, or go to the beach and record the waves. But other than that, I really see little purpose for minidiscs, considering the affordability of portable mp3 players and CD players. with all my orb, oobe www.oobe.org # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Bennett Subject: Re: (orb) the great vinyl debate of 2000 Date: 14 Sep 2000 10:16:34 +0800 (WST) : But yes, high quality mp3's are better than minidiscs. Minidiscs are okay : for portable sample recorders. You can go to a forest at night and record : the night crawlers, or go to the beach and record the waves. But other than : that, I really see little purpose for minidiscs, considering the : affordability of portable mp3 players and CD players. that's where minidiscs really come into their own though, as a low-budget portable digital recording medium. the sound's a bit flatter than CD but it's lovely and crisp which makes it more than passable for field recordings like you said, or even just to whip around the house looking for novel instruments when the TR-808's sounding tired. (any musicians on the list who haven't already tried it might find it interesting to sample some dribbling water and use that to spice up a percussion line. digital is really lovely for that level of precise manipulation, you just can't hope to do that sort of thing with analogue technology.) womble -- ............................................................ womble: http://home.it.net.au/~womble/ "she's often inclined to borrow somebody's dreams 'til tomorrow." ............................................................ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Bennett Subject: Re: (orb) the great vinyl debate of 2000 Date: 14 Sep 2000 11:44:38 +0800 (WST) king it might be, but cheapskates can't afford such royalty :) i daresay with portable DAT machines around AU$3000 last i checked, you ought to get what you pay for :) womble : But DAT is still king, IMHO. Love my D-8, and what : it's captured since July 98. : Gavin : : > that's where minidiscs really come into their own : > though, as a low-budget : > portable digital recording medium. the sound's a bit : > flatter than CD but : > it's lovely and crisp which makes it more than : > passable for field : > recordings like you said : : __________________________________________________ : Do You Yahoo!? : Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! : http://mail.yahoo.com/ : -- ............................................................ womble: http://home.it.net.au/~womble/ "she's often inclined to borrow somebody's dreams 'til tomorrow." ............................................................ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nico Baars" Subject: (orb) Once More Mixes!!!!! Not for release! Date: 14 Sep 2000 11:56:50 +0200 Yesterday I received a very nice present from Mercury Records (Netherlands) The Orb - One More Mixes (no catalogue number, no promo or any release info) 1. Bedrock Mix 2. Mark's Steamroller Mix 3. Little Fluffy Clouds Tenaglia's Detour Mix 4. Mark's Slide Mix 5. Mark Pritchard Remix 6. Bedrock Dub 7. Scourge of The Earth Long Mix (FU***ING GREAT INDUSTRIAL MIX!!!) 8. FT Explores Satan A very nice gift from Mercury not to be released and I'm not allowed to give it a review in Dutch magazine Bassic Groove. It's only a gift and according to the press manager'some of the mixes will never get a official release!! The presssheet that will be distributed with the promo's from Cydonia says: (sorry, no album to come with it at this moment) Cydonia is The Orb's sixht album. It features thirteen new tracks recorded in Berlin and London and includeds collaborations with Thomas Fehlmann, Witchman and Guy Pratt, plus vocal contributions from Nina Walsh and Aki. It began life at the tail of 1997 when Alex and friend Aki penned the openingtrack Once More. From it's inception it was evident that vocals would play a large part in the album, something The Orb have never been strangers to, live or sampled, but this album is more vocally orientated than any previous Orb album. And while it remains traditionally Orb-melodic, it never compromises the group's more adventurous sides, being typically eclectic with myriad dimensions and The Orb's customary adroitness at musical pool blending: movinf effortlessly between electronica, techno, drum 'n bass but always pushing beyond. For Alex this album represents a new phase in The Orb's histrory. "It's been a very fulfilling time making the album over three years and working with new songwriters and programmers reminds me of Ultraworld". There have also been various studio side projects in preparation for the launch of Alex's own label Bad Orb later this year; a vinyl only, web friendly label that will feature artists as Sun Electric, Autolump, Los Woods of Timber, Ayumi Hamasaki, Conduit, Prayer Box and Multiverse. A Bad Orb site is also being constructed wch will include free downloads of new and exclusive material, inculding tracks from previous Orn member Kris Weston (Thrash)!! 2001 will also see the ressurection of the succesful Bad Orb club nights in London. Nico (the presssheet is 5 pages long, I think this is the most interesting news) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: derrien@club-internet.fr Subject: Re: (orb) Once More Mixes!!!!! Not for release! Date: 14 Sep 2000 12:15:09 +0200 WOW ! Is it a CD ? 3 Global Communication remixes ! A dream come true... JCFromParis >Yesterday I received a very nice present from Mercury Records (Netherlands) > >The Orb - One More Mixes >(no catalogue number, no promo or any release info) >1. Bedrock Mix >2. Mark's Steamroller Mix >3. Little Fluffy Clouds Tenaglia's Detour Mix >4. Mark's Slide Mix >5. Mark Pritchard Remix >6. Bedrock Dub >7. Scourge of The Earth Long Mix (FU***ING GREAT INDUSTRIAL MIX!!!) >8. FT Explores Satan > "Don't you see? We're all in hell. I'm the only one who knows it." (Pam in The XFiles - Monday) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Long, Joshua L." Subject: (orb) once more remixes Date: 14 Sep 2000 06:53:25 -0400 >Yesterday I received a very nice present from Mercury Records >(Netherlands) O.K. So where can we listers get our hands on this?????? Joshua Long longj@rjrt.com jmzd4@msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) Vinyl and cd's Date: 14 Sep 2000 09:54:15 -0400 (EDT) > :-) well, I don't know about "warmness", but of course there are distinct > qualities to the sound of wax that some just naturally prefer. Mainly there Yeah! That was one thing I hated about having to use a digital mixing board. Man, digital noise sounds like shit. CRUNCH SCREE! Whereas analog noise sounds kind of nice. :) Fuzzzzzzzzz I'm jealous of your live 93 4xLP. :( # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: (orb) list member bootleg discog? Date: 14 Sep 2000 10:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Remember a little while ago one of the list members recorded one of LX's live sets (I have a copy, just not with me now). It was 2cds and had really nice silkscreened artwork and stuff? Well, does anyone have a list of what the tracks are? i'M DYING TO KNOW WHAT 4 & 5 ARE. Sorry about the all caps there. :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: james.drysdale@utoronto.ca Subject: Re: (orb) the great vinyl debate of 2000 Date: 14 Sep 2000 11:35:14 -0400 (EDT) > > Now I am no expert, but I was told that vinyl has a better sonic range > than > > CDs, cos on CDs they compress the music and cut off the inaudible low and > > high frequencies to make more room on the disc. > > Hmm... not too sure about this. This is a bandwidth issue. There *are* > things companies do to the audio that goes on CDs. What, I don't know, but > would love to find out. For example, 7 minutes of raw stereo audio > comprises about 100MB. Yet, a compact disc can only hold 800MB of > information = 56 minutes of audio. So, how are there CDs that run longer > than 70 minutes? Your're right...there's lots of stuff that happens to the data on a CD (addition of parity bits, interleaving, EFM...) If you'd REALLY love to find out, check out this link: http://www.ee.washington.edu/conselec/CE/kuhn/cdaudio2/95x7.htm CD's use a sampling rate of 44.1 Khz with a sample size of 16 bits (2 bytes) per channel. Thus,for raw data: 44 100 sample/s x 2 bytes/sample = 88 200 BYTES per channel per second So 7 minutes of raw audio stereo audio is actually 420 seconds x 88 200 bytes/s x 2 channels = 74,088,000 bytes For 74 minutes of raw stereo audio: 4440 seconds x 88 200 bytes/s x 2 channels = 783,216,000 bytes! The rest of the room on the disk, I take it, is for the error-correction code. There are non-standard (now just about standard!) cd's with run times of longer than 74 minutes. Also, the capacity of CD-ROMS isn't comparable to that of audio CDs because CD-ROMS have a *lot* more error correction than audio cds. As for the CD vs. vinyl debate...no opinion! Never owned or played a record in my life (try finding a portable record player you can fit in your bag and play upside down!) james # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "oobe" Subject: Re: (orb) the great vinyl debate of 2000 Date: 14 Sep 2000 11:07:10 -0500 Ahhh! Wonderful, thanks james with all my orb, oobe www.oobe.org > Your're right...there's lots of stuff that happens to the data on a CD > (addition of parity bits, interleaving, EFM...) If you'd REALLY love to > find out, check out this link: > > http://www.ee.washington.edu/conselec/CE/kuhn/cdaudio2/95x7.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "oobe" Subject: Re: (orb) Looking for... Date: 14 Sep 2000 11:39:37 -0500 True, digital recording *is* lossy, but what do you lose? Well, you lose part of the audio spectrtum that is not audible to the human ear. This is a *fact*. I do understand what you are saying, but there are no detectable differences in bandwidth between CDs and wax. They can both capture the full frequency spectrum of what human hearing is capable of. Internal audio processing is done in many studios at 24bit/96KHz (or higher... variable) before it is recorded to CD (fixed) not because it's a detectable difference in ipso facto sonic quality, but because it improves the performance of internal sampling and preventing aliasing before printing. Although, DVD media should change this, and we will soon get our music on DVD's in this kind of higher resolution. Like you said (and what I tried to say sorta earlier), the actual recording and production of the CD or wax is more important in the superiority of the reproduction than what media it is printed on. All I was trying to say is that the CD itself is a superior form of media than wax, *unless* you naturally prefer the types of distortion and interference inherent in the production and playback of vinyl. Heh.. --I'm out-- :-) with all my orb, oobe www.oobe.org > The end result is that you loose any information between the > samples, AND any values of the wave that were higher than the highest > number the 16 bit sample can represent are chopped off (clipped). I know > you might think this isn't a big deal, but it can be. For instance, if I'm > recording a drummer and I have a mic really close to the drum set. If you > look at the real waveform of him, say, hitting a hi-hat, in the first few > milliseconds there's this enourmous spike and then the actual noise of the > hi-hat. If you were to digitize that, it'd be lost, which makes the sound > less sharp. I've done this in a digital audio lab, you really can hear the > difference. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) Looking for... Date: 14 Sep 2000 12:34:55 -0400 (EDT) > True, digital recording *is* lossy, but what do you lose? Well, you lose > part of the audio spectrtum that is not audible to the human ear. This is a You can *feel* the difference tho. Super low bass noises can be detected by you in other ways than your inner ear. :) Plus, I think that what ranges of sound you can hear varies greatly from one person to another. For instance, I can hear dog whistles. My little sister cannot. Does this mean that she should use cds only? :) > before it is recorded to CD (fixed) not because it's a detectable difference > in ipso facto sonic quality, but because it improves the performance of > internal sampling and preventing aliasing before printing. Although, DVD > media should change this, and we will soon get our music on DVD's in this > kind of higher resolution. Mmmmm, DVD. > reproduction than what media it is printed on. All I was trying to say is > that the CD itself is a superior form of media than wax, *unless* you > naturally prefer the types of distortion and interference inherent in the > production and playback of vinyl. Heh.. --I'm out-- They're only inherent if you don't treat your records well . All you have to do is prevent them from getting dirty, scratched, or worm from a too heavy needle. The shelflife of a well kept record is actually longer than a CD (most CD's use a reactive metal for the lowest layer, which means that it will oxidize over time. The exception to this is the gold "archival quality" cds which will probably last forever), due largely to the fact that, once pressed, the plastic doesn't change at all because it's inert. But now I'm just being nitpicky. :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "oobe" Subject: Re: (orb) Looking for... Date: 14 Sep 2000 11:55:42 -0500 > The shelflife of a well kept record is actually > longer than a CD (most CD's use a reactive metal for the lowest layer, > which means that it will oxidize over time. The exception to this is the > gold "archival quality" cds which will probably last forever), due largely > to the fact that, once pressed, the plastic doesn't change at all because > it's inert. Yeah, wasn't this one of those things that the inventors & others went "oops" about when they found out? as in, it wasn't intended. I don't know if I trust the information, but I've had friends who *should* know, tell me the shelflife of a CD is only about 20 years or so. Kinda makes people's concept of collector's CDs pointelss. OOPS! I forgot, this is an orb list! ;-) (i smirk as i run to ebay to hock all my orb goodies...) with all my orb, oobe www.oobe.orb p.s. i promise to never use another * in my posts again. heh. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Shah Subject: Re: (orb) Looking for... Date: 14 Sep 2000 09:48:12 -0700 On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 11:39:37AM -0500, oobe wrote: > True, digital recording *is* lossy, but what do you lose? Well, you lose > part of the audio spectrtum that is not audible to the human ear. This is a We're all in a small minority of people who can actually hear these little differences because we bother to pay attention to them. I have friends who don't mind encoding their MP3's at 96Kbit because they just don't hear much of a difference between that and a higher bitrate. Another friend of mine was shocked to hear I bought turntables. His memory of vinyl was that of 45 minute LP's with no depth. I had an opportunity to reeducate him recently... He still doesn't care for LP's but I at least got to break the bad info. And back to our regularly scheduled Orb programming... -Steve -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Steve Shah (sshah@planetoid.org) | SysAdmin/Coder/Gabbernaut/DJ/Writer/Minister http://www.planetoid.org | We're not dropping out, we're infiltrating. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Life is best measured in beats per minute. How alive are you? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sean" Subject: Re: (orb) the great vinyl debate of 2000 Date: 14 Sep 2000 11:46:42 -0500 > Now I am no expert, but I was told that vinyl has a better sonic range than > CDs, cos on CDs they compress the music and cut off the inaudible low and > high frequencies to make more room on the disc. This certainly seems to be > the case when you play jungle on a big PA... I have played the same song > from vinyl and cd: vinyl, huge booming basslines like crazy, CD just > couldn't reproduce it. > I mean, the needle to groove is an analog relationship... all frequencies > are produced and picked up, its just about the playback equipment. But CDs? > They are digital (discrete) and therefore the frequencies have been CHOSEN > to appear there. I really hate to step into these debates, but here's the funny thing. A Record when Pressed actually has the Bass Dropped out of it rather drastically, (about -30db) becasue those big booming bassgrooves would be so wide that they would snap the Stylus needle right off... thats why you need to plug your turntable into an amplifier that accepts Phono input, because, not olny is it a difference impedence, there is a whole Eq curve that is added to it, to make the rocord sound like it should. Although what you might be hearing, is that there are different methods of Processing that Bass sound, dfferent curves and such, and from what I remember reading, English records tend to be a bit more bassy than american records, due to their specific EQ curve. So generally most of the way that the Record sounds over a CD really might not have anything to do with the medium, but rather The mastering process that it goes through. > BTW I had a thought... if the record companies really want to protect the > artists, they should stop selling CDs and make everyone get Turntables > again, and then only sell vinyl! People could still use mp3s etc, and burn > their own discs, just like home taping, but they would have to buy the > lovely vinyl if they wanted to OWN it and collect it. Hows that for a crazy > idea? Yeah but the problem is vinyl is HUGELY expensive to produce compared to a CD. The mastering, cutting and pressing, is a much more expensive process than CD's and not only that, Vinyl has a playlife. Each time you listen to a record, you degrade it's quality. Just a bit of info.. My facts may not be precise, but this is speakin from my experiences in producing vinyl. Sean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gloria Davy" Subject: Re: (orb) Looking for... Date: 14 Sep 2000 17:16:11 GMT >the shelflife of a CD is only about 20 years or so. Kinda makes people's >concept of collector's CDs pointelss. OOPS! I forgot, this is an orb >list! yep, I got a couple Coil import CD's that are already starting to show degredation... and I've probably had them only about six years. oops, wrong list... good to know I have nearly all my Orb collection duplicated on Vinyl. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nico Baars" Subject: (orb) Once More! Date: 14 Sep 2000 19:35:54 +0200 Earlier today I posted a message about those Once More mixes, that probably won't see an official release (not in this format, 8 mixes on one CD) and probably not all the mixes are going to be released. Since then it's been busy on my mailserver because loads of Orbies wanna know if it's going to be available for them. To be honest, I don't have the equipment or technical knowledge to put those tracks on the net but I'll try to arrange something with other Dutch members as Robert Jan or Chain Reaction (Stephan). I'll let you know in a couple of days what's possible. later Nico # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) the great vinyl debate of 2000 Date: 14 Sep 2000 13:40:18 -0400 (EDT) > than CD's and not only that, Vinyl has a playlife. Each time you listen to a > record, you degrade it's quality. Only if you have a bad stylus or your stylus is too heavy. You wont really cut the groove unless there's something wrong with your setup. Of course, this is as I understand it (could be wrong) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: brett Subject: Re: (orb) Looking for... Date: 14 Sep 2000 11:18:16 -0700 (PDT) perhaps some of the lower frequencies we can't hear we can feel at high dBs? brett wagner | brett@madhouse.org get committed! | http://www.madhouse.org On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, oobe wrote: > > True, digital recording *is* lossy, but what do you lose? Well, you lose > part of the audio spectrtum that is not audible to the human ear. This is a > *fact*. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vince Frank" Subject: (orb) Disintegration Date: 14 Sep 2000 13:45:54 -0500 > >the shelflife of a CD is only about 20 years or so. Kinda makes people's > >concept of collector's CDs pointelss. OOPS! I forgot, this is an orb > >list! ===>Didn't this come up about a year ago? I think the consensus was that cds, in theory, SHOULD last indefinitely. However, there were a great number of cds made during the (late?) 1980s that started to degrade because of a manufacturing defect--at least this is what I recall from that discussion. Regardless, I still side with digital--less bulky, and easy to duplicate without significant loss of quality.... Vince # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: (orb) CD... VINYL... OR MP3s Date: 14 Sep 2000 13:51:14 -0400 MP3s are more than likely going to replace CDs. I wouldn't worry to much about CD shelf life.... ...i bet new formats will be invented to "burn" the music on to- but by then we probably won't need them anyway, as more and more people are buying computers. i think multimedia devices will become more compact, with more hard drive space(Terabytes), and become way more affordable- eleminating the need for any medium to store music. Justin Justin Meredith Ikon Office Solutions JUMERIDETH@IKON.COM 480 731 3839 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "oobe" Subject: Re: (orb) CD... VINYL... OR MP3s Date: 14 Sep 2000 13:11:24 -0500 > MP3s are more than likely going to replace CDs. I wouldn't worry to much > about CD shelf life.... oh god, i hope not. i fully don't expect this to happen. > ...i bet new formats will be invented to "burn" the music on to- but by then > we probably won't need them anyway, as more and more people are buying > computers. well, portable, nonvolatile media like ibm's new mini drives they are working on for devices like digital cameras is always a possibility i guess, but piracy issues will dictate this one, at least on a professionally, legitamitely sold product. with all my orb, oobe www.oobe.org # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) CD... VINYL... OR MP3s Date: 14 Sep 2000 14:15:47 -0400 -- > MP3s are more than likely going to replace CDs. I wouldn't worry to much > about CD shelf life.... oh god, i hope not. i fully don't expect this to happen. ---it is already happening, everyone that has a computer and that likes music is downloading MP3s, which is undeniable. How many people on this list have already heard Cydonia??? If you chose to listen to an artist's music for free and never support them by buying their stuff- that is wrong, but it can't be prevented. No one can stop anyone from trading music, either physically or by computer. No if you burn a cd and sell it, that is piracy! > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: (orb) Making MP3s avail. for free Date: 14 Sep 2000 14:23:23 -0400 If you are a recording artist and you allowed people to download your music for free-think of all the exposure you would get! Imagine when it came time for you to tour! Record companies should be afraid- not the artists! Justin Meredith Ikon Office Solutions JUMERIDETH@IKON.COM 480 731 3839 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: james.drysdale@utoronto.ca Subject: Re: (orb) CD... VINYL... OR MP3s Date: 14 Sep 2000 15:44:30 -0400 (EDT) > MP3s are more than likely going to replace CDs. I wouldn't worry to much > about CD shelf life.... > > ...i bet new formats will be invented to "burn" the music on to- but by then > we probably won't need them anyway, as more and more people are buying > computers. New software formats indeed. MP3s, sure, but have you heard of MPEG 4? With this new compression they can now compress an entire DVD movie to fit onto CD with negligible loss of quality (an 11:1 reduction over the MPEG 2 movie format on DVDs)... (more at http://www.tomshardware.com/video/00q3/000913/index.html) Improved (i.e. smaller) music formats can't be that far off. james # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) CD... VINYL... OR MP3s Date: 14 Sep 2000 15:46:05 -0400 (EDT) > > MP3s are more than likely going to replace CDs. I wouldn't worry to much > > about CD shelf life.... > > oh god, i hope not. i fully don't expect this to happen. I don't think so either, for several reasons. 1) MP3 really doesn't sound as good as a cd. Take a cd you own, convert it to MP3, uncompress it, re-burn it and play it and you'll deinfately hear a difference. Plus, look at say newspapers. Most have an ponline version that has all the same stuff as the physical one. I don't see anyone no longer buying newspapers. :) People like having something in their hands. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) CD... VINYL... OR MP3s Date: 14 Sep 2000 16:00:29 -0400 MP3 really doesn't sound as good as a cd. Take a cd you own, convert it to MP3, uncompress it, re-burn it and play it and you'll deinfately hear a difference. ----Technology is always being perfected. The quality of MP3s are directly influenced by the quality of your MP3 player. Their are MP3 players that can and do play higher quality sound than CDs-which you can't tell the difference anyway. ----As for holding something in your hand, that is what the MP3 players are for.Think of the possibilities-you will be able to store 100 CDs worth of music on one player. And you dont have to worry about scratched CDs. You can't lose! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alex Gould" Subject: RE: (orb) CD... VINYL... OR MP3s Date: 14 Sep 2000 21:30:35 +0100 > > MP3 really > doesn't sound as good as a cd. Take a cd you own, convert it to MP3, > uncompress it, re-burn it and play it and you'll deinfately hear a > difference. > :) I personally think we should go back to reel to reel tapes :) get them old valve hifi systems out again and listen to ambient, analogiee :) i bet uf orb would sound gorgeous on a valve reel to reel pumped thru a valve amp. cheers. alex wales,uk. "Without music life would be a mistake." - Friedrich Nietzsche "Music was invented to confirm human loneliness." - Lawrence Durrell # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) CD... VINYL... OR MP3s Date: 14 Sep 2000 16:45:29 -0400 I personally think we should go back to reel to reel tapes :) get them old valve hifi systems out again and listen to ambient, analogiee :) i bet uf orb would sound gorgeous on a valve reel to reel pumped thru a valve amp. cheers. alex wales,uk. ---or how about 8 tracks - gotta luv 'em! "Without music life would be a mistake." - Friedrich Nietzsche "Music was invented to confirm human loneliness." - Lawrence Durrell # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: RE: (orb) CD... VINYL... OR MP3s Date: 14 Sep 2000 17:13:45 -0400 (EDT) > ----As for holding something in your hand, that is what the MP3 players are > for.Think of the possibilities-you will be able to store 100 CDs worth of > music on one player. And you dont have to worry about scratched CDs. > You can't lose! My roomate has one of those. It's a toy. I mean, you have to connect it to your computer to transfer anything and it has a measly 64 megs of storage. :) :) :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "oobe" Subject: Re: (orb) CD... VINYL... OR MP3s Date: 14 Sep 2000 16:35:00 -0500 yeah, these things are POS's right now. but they are still better than minidiscs. :-) -oobe > My roomate has one of those. It's a toy. I mean, you have to > connect it to your computer to transfer anything and it has a measly 64 > megs of storage. :) :) :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Shah Subject: (orb) orb spotting Date: 14 Sep 2000 15:15:51 -0700 Assassin playing on gogaga.com's house channel. (Real Audio) Never thought to classify it as house, but I'm not complaining. =) I can hear the end of it now... they are playing it off the UF Off Album because I can hear the next track (from Orb's Little Album) being mixed in. Oops... End of song. -Steve -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Steve Shah (sshah@planetoid.org) | SysAdmin/Coder/Gabbernaut/DJ/Writer/Minister http://www.planetoid.org | We're not dropping out, we're infiltrating. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Life is best measured in beats per minute. How alive are you? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "*MoonDogg*" Subject: RE: (orb) CD... VINYL... OR MP3s Date: 14 Sep 2000 16:49:21 -0700 mp3 is not a media. It's an encoding algorithm. CD's are a storage medium. mp3s can be stored on CD, as can .wav, .asf, .rma, etc. You can't compare the two. Also, mp3 is not the final word in audio compression. It's funny how people have latched on to that acronym, and have built businesses around it (mp3.com). Newer, more efficient codecs are already available, and will replace the mp3 format eventually. CDs will also fall by the wayside, because higher density media will replace it, such as DVD and hard disks. would you rather have a portable player based on CD, Minidisc, 64 megs of ram, or 10 gigs of hard disk space? It's a no brainer. Also, not every wants to listen to their music on their computer. Who here has a computer that sounds better than their stereo? And how do you listen to all those mp3s you downloaded when you are driving your car? Storage media is not going away, it will evolve, as will digital compression technologies. I can't wait until I can sit at my computer and select a few hundred songs from my jukebox to send via a wireless connection to my car. Someday..... *MoonDogg* -----Original Message----- MP3s are more than likely going to replace CDs. I wouldn't worry to much about CD shelf life.... ...i bet new formats will be invented to "burn" the music on to- but by then we probably won't need them anyway, as more and more people are buying computers. i think multimedia devices will become more compact, with more hard drive space(Terabytes), and become way more affordable- eleminating the need for any medium to store music. Justin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "*MoonDogg*" Subject: RE: (orb) CD... VINYL... OR MP3s Date: 14 Sep 2000 16:59:54 -0700 The 64 MB RAM versions are, in my mind, worthless...but they are on the way out. Check out this one from Creative labs, with a 6.5 GB hard disk. http://www.nomadworld.com/products/jukebox/ Here's another: http://www.pjbox.com/ This is only the beginning.... *MoonDogg* -----Original Message----- > ----As for holding something in your hand, that is what the MP3 players are > for.Think of the possibilities-you will be able to store 100 CDs worth of > music on one player. And you dont have to worry about scratched CDs. > You can't lose! My roomate has one of those. It's a toy. I mean, you have to connect it to your computer to transfer anything and it has a measly 64 megs of storage. :) :) :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan G." Subject: (orb) Nocturnal Wonderland... Date: 15 Sep 2000 05:13:10 GMT Hey allz, Someone asked about Nocturnal Wonderland a few orb digests ago. Sorry for taking so long to reply, but I've been away. It was an awesome event. 9 stages with styles including Jungle/Drum and Bass, Trance, Ambient, Techno/House/Experimental, Hip-Hop, Hardcore, Happy Hardcore, House, Breaks(Main Stage). Alex came on in the Techno/House/Experimental tent. He came on about a half hour late. He played well, but seemed a bit edgy IMO. Maybe it was the uptight security that was keeping the smokin to a minimum (not that it stopped me). I watched him for about 30 min and then ran over to check out Rabbit in the Moon and Paul Okenfold, who were all scheduled around the same time. Very annoying. I ran between them for about a half hour and went back to see then end of Alex, but he was already gone. As a side note, Micheal Dog came on before Alex and he kicked ass. Had the place jumpin. Perry Farrel was supposed to play, but he never showed up. Micheal came on early and did a great job, till Alex showed up. Alex kicked ass for the while I saw him. I didn't hear any Orb or related being played, but as I said, I only listened for about 30 min. and he was gone by the time I got back at about 1:30 (he was scheduled to play from 12:00 to 1:30). Rabbit in the Moon kicked ass too. Great sound and amusing stage antics! The crowd really packed it in! The overall event kicked ass. The music was splendifurous! I roamed from stage to stage absORBing all the different styles and sounds. The stages were set up in a circular fashion and every stage had there own design with different screens and effects going on. They all seemed to have lasers and because of the circular setup, when you looked up from the center of the field, you saw a grid of lasers passing over each other. And everyone seemed to have some sort of glowstick or visual toy, which when multiplied by the 1000s of attendees created quitre a visual stimulation! I styed till about 3:30 and then slept for an hour, and then had to drive back to Tucson (6 hours) to make it back for a wedding. So blah blah blah, any questions? email me! L8r danx ps it's tea time! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "The TieDyed Side of the Force" Subject: RE: (orb) Making MP3s avail. for free Date: 14 Sep 2000 23:42:10 -0700 > Record companies should be afraid- not the artists! The record companies are very afraid. That's the real reason they are trying to sue mp3.com into the ground. They don't want to lose control of "their" artists. Their business model depends on selling as many copies as possible of as small a catalog as possible. The last thing they want is competition from thousands of un-signed musicians coming out of the woodwork and undercutting them with a much greater variety of fresh, new music than they have any intention of ever supplying. Ride the Music AndyTiedye # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Watercolors" Subject: (orb) Message-id: <39c22de8.1303c.0@crosswinds.net> Date: 15 Sep 2000 09:09:19 -0500 The shortest distance between two points is a straight line. The analog recording contains infinite # of points connected to form the representative of the audio waveform. The digital recording takes the true waveform and divides it into the points that make up the audio waveform. True the digital does capture the 20hz to 20khz spectrum, but there are gaps in the spectrum b/c it is not a line that connects the points in the digital representation. Just the points themselves are recorded. The number of points the waveform is broken into is dependent upon the sampling rate (frequency) of the digital recording. How many points along the x,y axis are plotted per second. Take a 20Hz sine wave as an example. Say it crosses the y axis at 1 and the y axis at 1. and then dips below the While the analog recording will contain a line containing all the points between any two points. The digital recording will just have the points themselves (the number of points determines the quality of the recording)and will not have points in between these points. 24/96 is closer to analog than 16/44.1 b/c their are more points that make up the waveform. True analog has infinite points and can not "truly" be achieved in digital recording. the analog vs digital debate is a matter of calculus function notation. why there is a lim as the f(x) approaches infinity. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "oobe" Subject: Re: (orb) Message-id: <39c22de8.1303c.0@crosswinds.net> Date: 15 Sep 2000 10:05:55 -0500 One thing is for sure... in a debate between digital vs analog concerning audio, RESOLUTION is not a problem with digital recordings. -oobe www.oobe.org > True the digital does capture the > 20hz to 20khz spectrum, but there are gaps in the spectrum b/c it is not a line > that connects the points in the digital representation # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) CD... VINYL... OR MP3s Date: 15 Sep 2000 12:30:47 -0400 Newer, more efficient codecs are already available, and will replace the mp3 format eventually. >>>that is undeniable!!! But the IDEA of the MP3 is here to stay!! would you rather have a portable player based on CD, Minidisc, 64 megs of ram, or 10 gigs of hard disk space? It's a no brainer. >> give me the 10 gig hard drive! A 100MB hard drive 2 years ago was actually bigger than the GB hard drives of today.Wouldn't it be possible in the future to make them even smaller? Also, not every wants to listen to their music on their computer. >>>look at AOL or internet on TV-just because you have music stored as Bytes of information does not mean it has to be played on a computer!! Who here has a computer that sounds better than their stereo? >>>how much money are you willing to spend?? What do you think must producers and recording artists use to mix and record with??? And how do you listen to all those mp3s you downloaded when you are driving your car? >>> MP3 car sterios are already out there!!! Storage media is not going away, it will evolve, as will digital compression technologies. >>>yes they will evolve-but they will have competition and they may no longer be the norm in the future...Only time will tell! Justin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "The TieDyed Side of the Force" Subject: RE: (orb) CD... VINYL... OR MP3s Date: 15 Sep 2000 11:15:17 -0700 > >> give me the 10 gig hard drive! A 100MB hard drive 2 years ago was > actually bigger than the GB hard drives of today. They make gigabyte microdrives now. It should be possible to plug two of these into the compactflash slots on an eGo player. > Also, not every wants to listen to their music on their computer. Most of us want to listen to it everywhere. > Who here has a computer that sounds better than their stereo? They sound the same because they are the same. I hook the computer up to the the stereo. Ride the Music AndyTiedye # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: RE: (orb) CD... VINYL... OR MP3s Date: 15 Sep 2000 15:45:26 -0400 (EDT) > They sound the same because they are the same. > I hook the computer up to the the stereo. Heh heh. I was so glad when my roomate got a 4 channel mixer. Each one has an input select, so I can have 8 devices hooked up through this thing, and I can mix on any 4, including my computer. :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Watercolors" Subject: (orb) Orbserver Date: 15 Sep 2000 16:42:54 -0500 the little flucuations in the waveform between the points is what gives analog its distinctive sound and why cd sounds so crisp and clean. and check out this cool site... http://www.mchawking.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rachel Subject: (orb) live Orb date? Date: 15 Sep 2000 16:14:16 -0700 anyone in Santa Ana? Looks like an excellent show is coming through town: http://www.ticketmaster.com/cgi/tm2k_search.idc?searchname=The+Orb&submit=GO%21& state=CA&type=SEARCH i'm jealous! =) rachel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Pitblado Subject: Re: (orb) live Orb date? Date: 15 Sep 2000 16:54:51 -0700 > anyone in Santa Ana? Looks like an excellent show is coming through town: > http://www.ticketmaster.com/cgi/tm2k_search.idc?searchname=The+Orb&submit= > GO%21& > state=CA&type=SEARCH Hmm. I'm close enough that I could probably go, but the show isn't listed on Galaxy's site http://www.galaxytheatre.com/Upcoming/upcoming.htm ----- If guns cause crime, all of mine are defective. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?zenlab=AE?= Subject: Re: (orb) Looking for... Date: 15 Sep 2000 22:15:18 -0400 : perhaps some of the lower frequencies we can't hear we can feel at high : dBs? nice point. » eric³ » web developer . pixel pusher » zenlab : enlightened web designs » www.thezenlab.com » ZeroChaos.com » www.zerochaos.com » Freelancers! Click Here! » ScreamDesign.com » www.screamdesign.com » Learning Place for the Web Generation # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?Windows-1252?Q?zenlab=AE?= Subject: Re: (orb) Nocturnal Wonderland... Date: 16 Sep 2000 01:22:23 -0400 : Rabbit in the Moon kicked ass too. Great sound and amusing stage antics! The : crowd really packed it in! if you liked Rabbit - check out the temple i created: http://www.users.dark.net/ritm/ Rabbit in the Moon is homegrown talent in Florida. (i'm in orlando.) » eric³ » web developer . pixel pusher » zenlab : enlightened web designs » www.thezenlab.com » ZeroChaos.com » www.zerochaos.com » Freelancers! Click Here! » ScreamDesign.com » www.screamdesign.com » Learning Place for the Web Generation # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "E O" Subject: (orb) CD-R Testing Date: 16 Sep 2000 16:41:51 GMT Here's a site with some info on CDR manufacturers and their quality: http://www.esware.net/empire/hardware/cdrom/cd_quality.shtml -Eric _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rmstringer" Subject: (orb) Hello Date: 16 Sep 2000 15:57:57 -0500 I am new to the ORB list, But I have been a fan for over 10 years. I have over 20 disks and about 7-8 bootleg disks. I will be interested in trading mp3's with someone to complete my collection. Over and Out R.M.Stringer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rmstringer" Subject: (orb) FFFW Date: 16 Sep 2000 19:01:26 -0500 Does anybody have a copy of that album? I got a copy when I lived in Arizona. I really love it. L et me know what people think about it. From 20000 feet above Indiana, R.M.Stringer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Ketley Subject: (orb) Cydonia v1.0 has appeared on dmusic Date: 18 Sep 2000 02:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Hello all, MP3 versions of Once More and Promis have appeared on dmusic. http://www.dmusic.com/ http://search.dmusic.com/ I know words were exchanged when Cydonia appeared on Napster. Paul. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ovation15@aol.com Subject: (orb) DVDs Date: 18 Sep 2000 13:33:01 EDT i just got a Sony DVD player !! i love it!! anyone got any suggestions on some really cool DVDs to get?? thanx gemini # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Blake" Subject: RE: (orb) DVDs Date: 18 Sep 2000 18:44:15 +0100 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ovation15@aol.com > Sent: 18 September 2000 18:33 > To: orb@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (orb) DVDs > i just got a Sony DVD player !! i love it!! anyone got any > suggestions on some really cool DVDs to get?? thanx yeah, the Underworld Live DVD out soon, it's going to be the dogs bollocks! phil # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: brett Subject: Re: (orb) DVDs Date: 18 Sep 2000 11:20:17 -0700 (PDT) Bjork - Volumen Serial Experiment: Lain brett wagner | brett@madhouse.org get committed! | http://www.madhouse.org > i just got a Sony DVD player !! i love it!! anyone got any suggestions on some really cool DVDs to get?? thanx # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bbbrooo@aol.com Subject: (orb) Periphonic Orb Date: 18 Sep 2000 13:55:37 EDT Was disappointed to hear that Alex was only selling vinyl on BadOrb. I actually thought it was some way round the record companies monopoly, and that he was to sell such things as Orb (MLP audio) DVD's, etc. I for one am ready to take out a bank loan to cover the costs of replacing all my present collection, for the Orb mixed in Periphonic sound. Four channels plus the separate sub-base and that "center front" speaker, placed high! No doubt the 6 channel portable player and headphones will soon follow. Can't wait. Had better list all our old collections on e-bay now, no-ones going to want mere stereo Orb, in future. Must agree with everyone that said what a fine album Alex's Ambient Meditations 2 is. None of this "trapped in his washing machine, in the basement" sound, much more like "floating over the Battersea rooftops and beyond." billbrooks # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremiah Rickert Subject: Re: (orb) DVDs Date: 18 Sep 2000 11:22:35 -0700 (PDT) On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 Ovation15@aol.com wrote: > > i just got a Sony DVD player !! i love it!! anyone got any suggestions on some really cool DVDs to get?? thanx > Films: Magnolia, The Limey. Music: Pink Floyd: The Wall, Sarah McLachlan: Mirrorball jr Jeremiah "Spassvogel" Rickert 6'7" 320 lbs of Dr. Pepper and Pez Candy. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Levering, Steve" Subject: RE: (orb) DVDs Date: 18 Sep 2000 13:42:02 -0500 I second the Serial Experiment: Lain recommendation... And Bjork vids are too great, so you've got to have that... And on the anime front, I'd add Cowboy Bebop. Very cool stuff. And a big thanks to whoever recommended the Irresistible Force CD. I like it a lot. Especially Nepalese Bliss... As an aside, I would just like to take a minute to tell all the Orb listers how much I've enjoyed your music recommendations over the years. I'm on several other lists, and regularly see messages about how such and such is incredible, or so and so will "change the face of music as we know it!" and other bits of hype. I check out some of their supposed favorites, and they're okay, not great. But I'd say the Orb list hits around 75% for me. Most of the time when someone suggests something on this list, I end up enjoying it. Thanks. Steve Levering s.levering@tcu.edu > ---------- > From: brett > Subject: Re: (orb) DVDs > > > Bjork - Volumen > Serial Experiment: Lain > > ----------------------------------------------- > brett wagner | brett@madhouse.org > get committed! | http://www.madhouse.org > ----------------------------------------------- > > > i just got a Sony DVD player !! i love it!! anyone got any suggestions > on some really cool DVDs to get?? thanx > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: brett Subject: RE: (orb) DVDs Date: 18 Sep 2000 12:34:00 -0700 (PDT) Ill second Cowboy BeBop for a fun anime series. brett wagner | brett@madhouse.org get committed! | http://www.madhouse.org > And on the anime front, I'd add Cowboy Bebop. Very cool stuff. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: derrien@club-internet.fr Subject: (orb) (OT) Please contact me Date: 19 Sep 2000 01:00:46 +0200 Message to Ryan Platte : please contact me. Thanks ! JCFromParis "Don't you see? We're all in hell. I'm the only one who knows it." (Pam in The XFiles - Monday) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Bennett Subject: Re: (orb) DVDs Date: 19 Sep 2000 08:16:00 +0800 (WST) the DAFT one by Daft Punk is pretty good, they've done the multi-angle concert bit so you can edit together your own shot sequence of their performance with 8 or so different camera angles to choose from. if you don't like their music already it might be an idea to steer clear because they're an acquired taste, apparently. :) womble : i just got a Sony DVD player !! i love it!! anyone got any suggestions : on some really cool DVDs to get?? thanx : : gemini -- ............................................................ womble: http://home.it.net.au/~womble/ "she's often inclined to borrow somebody's dreams 'til tomorrow." ............................................................ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Kontrabecki" Subject: (orb) the media IS the message Date: 19 Sep 2000 15:55:51 -0700 Hey all! Andreww M. Kontrabecki and I finally got a phone line and found out that the list has been pretty active in the two months of my absence. First off let me say a big Thank You to RJ for keeping me on the MP3 tree, I was really expecting to grovel a lot to get back onto the tree. Thanks. I'm also not so sure exactly how it works though, should I send out the money to my contact now or wait to get the discs? Now, I'm sounding like a stoopidhead... Secondly, the reason I was without a phone for so long was that I moved. No biggie there but, it leads me to ask what list members would reccomend as far as containing your CD collection is concerned? I have all of my CD's alphabetically sorted and on this huge shelving unit. Everytime I move I get really frustrated with having to lug all of this plastic around, I do it, but begrudgingly. A few of my friends have their collections in those disc wallets, but I'm thinking that with imports and limited edition releases one would want the whole package together, right? This may just be a moot point but I figured you guys would have some great suggestions. Thanks. Anyone get the Quannum Spectrum CD? I think it's pretty good though I'm not such a big hip-hop fan... Oh yeah and it's been mentioned at least once, but the recomendations and info of this list are simply some of the best. Everyone should give themselves a hand if your're reading this...I'll go back into my corner now... Andrew # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ovation15@aol.com Subject: (orb) DVDs Date: 19 Sep 2000 16:02:53 EDT thanks everyone for the suggestions on DVDs, i went ahead and went with these: X-mix fast forward and rewind- ken ishi Excorcist III ill let you know how the X mix DVD is when i get it!! if you havnt seen excorcist III well youre missing out....hehe digital goose bumps... gemini killer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) the media IS the message Date: 19 Sep 2000 16:14:31 -0700 Andrew Kontrabecki wrote: > Secondly, the reason I was without a phone for so long was that I moved. No > biggie there but, it leads me to ask what list members would reccomend as > far as containing your CD collection is concerned? I have all of my CD's > alphabetically sorted and on this huge shelving unit. Everytime I move I > get really frustrated with having to lug all of this plastic around, I do > it, but begrudgingly. A few of my friends have their collections in those > disc wallets, but I'm thinking that with imports and limited edition > releases one would want the whole package together, right? This may just be > a moot point but I figured you guys would have some great suggestions. AFAIC, big disc wallets just make it easy for someone to steal big chunks of your collection at once. (See eBay for what happens to the wallets and their contents...) I also find them harder to reorganize and to find stuff in than in a decent shelving system. The sheer bulk of jewel cases is annoying, but it does make it harder to walk off with a bunch of them. :) I'd recommend one or more dedicated, quality CD-bookcase-type-thingies. They are nice and heavy, and you can usually find them at an unfinished furniture store in a variety of sizes, then finish it to taste. Also, IKEA finally introduced something to help bulk storage of CDs (most of their so-called CD storage will only hold 100 or fewer CDs); a lifter shelf that can be put on top of a shelf in a normal bookcase that lets you store two rows of CDs on a single shelf, with less of a massive waste of space. I have a bunch of milk crates to hold my CDs when they move...each crate holds about 180 CDs, and they are sturdy enough to handle the rigors of moving while protecting the contents nicely. Mind you, 180 CDs are bloody heavy. ;) Chris np: Pink Floyd - Animals trance remix (boy, these "trance remixes" are amateurish cack) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Bennett Subject: Re: (orb) DVDs Date: 20 Sep 2000 10:08:25 +0800 (WST) : X-mix fast forward and rewind- ken ishi ooh, ken ishii helped me and my band out by adding wee farty noises and aeroplane sounds to our music during the production of our album and i've jammed onstage with him over the internet. his latest album - the one with the light blue cover - isn't much my cup of tea though. womble, in a mood to namedrop :) -- ............................................................ womble: http://home.it.net.au/~womble/ "she's often inclined to borrow somebody's dreams 'til tomorrow." ............................................................ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Spear man" Subject: re:Subject: (orb) live Orb date? Date: 19 Sep 2000 06:56:25 GMT >anyone in Santa Ana? Looks like an excellent show is coming through town: http://www.ticketmaster.com/cgi/tm2k_search.idc?searchname=The+Orb&submit=GO%21& state=CA&type=SEARCH Isn't that the place with the revolving theatre-in-the-round stage? Could be hilarious.... I remember seeing Sam Kinison there (RIP) --spearman _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Pitblado Subject: (orb) Orb live date confirmed! Date: 19 Sep 2000 08:50:21 -0700 Since it wasn't on Galaxy's upcoming events page I decided to email them. Here's what they said. Woo hoo! --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE From: galaxy.jeff@gte.net (Big Jeff) Date: 9/18/00, 10:55:13 PM Yes...they will be playing ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 4:56 PM > According to this link: > > http://www.ticketmaster.com/cgi/tm2k_search.idc?searchname=The+Orb&submit=GO > %21&state=CA&type=SEARCH > > The Orb & Juno Reactor are scheduled to play at the Galaxy on Nov. 24th, but > this isn't listed on your upcoming events page. Do you have any info on > this? > > Thanks! > > ----- > If guns cause crime, > all of mine are defective. > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Drunken Master" Subject: (orb) Mp3 Tree? Date: 19 Sep 2000 21:05:38 PDT Hey I'm new to the list, but is there any way I can get on this list? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Drunken Master" Subject: (orb) Mp3 Tree? Date: 19 Sep 2000 21:05:47 PDT Hey I'm new to the list, but is there any way I can get on this tree? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "An'nai Micah" Subject: Re: (orb) the media IS the message Date: 19 Sep 2000 21:21:40 -0700 (PDT) --- Andrew Kontrabecki wrote: > > members would reccomend as > far as containing your CD collection is concerned? > I have all of my CD's > alphabetically sorted and on this huge shelving > unit. Everytime I move I > get really frustrated with having to lug all of this > plastic around, I do > it, but begrudgingly. well, i would never use the wallets personally, and the other member stated a great reason. i am a packaging freak as well... i bought some huge 7'x3'x1' bookcases, bought extra shelves cut to size (all of that partical board), and then some 1"x1" that were glued/nailed to the shelves to keep cds from sliding in too far. oh, and some screw eyes (No.8 x 1-5/8") to hold the extra shelves. i forget the company that makes the bookcases, but can be found at lowes and home depot easily enough. (they'll cut the stuff too if you don't have tools =) comes to about $100 per bookcase if i recall correctly, plus a bit of time to assemble (which is insanely easy). as to the packing for a move--the boxes that a case of paper comes in (10 reams) is perfect. adds some padding, and get 2 layers of 2 rows, about 100cds per box. should be able to find them anywhere that does lots of printing (insurance co, hospitals computer operations, universities' OIT or MCIS dept's, or even retail stores that sell paper). *sigh* and seeing that i have a move approaching at the end of the year, time for me to start collecting boxes ;-) An'nai ===== http://rainforest.care2.com/i?p=574040404 Join Care2.com's Race for the Rain Forest! you will recieve NO spam But I feel so sad, can this be right? Cos I loved our days and I loved our nights I loved it when you would hold me tight And for a while our world seemed bright... ~Ali Shaw, cranes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Baker Subject: (orb) Etched Grooves Date: 20 Sep 2000 00:57:25 -0400 (EDT) I don't know if this has been said before, but it is not in Lazlo's Discography... Orb - Little Fluffy Clouds 12" (1990 UK) A: "ORB B WITH U" B: "ORB B OUT U" _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nico Baars" Subject: (orb) Oooohhhh nooooooooo!!!!! Date: 20 Sep 2000 11:42:32 +0200 Fellow Orbies, I'm shocked! This morning I got mail from Mercury saying: The release of The Orb's Cydonia is delayed till january 29th 2001!! The first single Once More will be released at january 15th 2001. What the f**k is going on? Nico # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rob buse Subject: Re: (orb) Oooohhhh nooooooooo!!!!! Date: 20 Sep 2000 06:13:33 -0400 man, i can see why Paterson is starting his own label. what a bunch of corporate bulls**t. .buse >Cydonia is delayed till january 29th 2001!! >The first single Once More will be released at january 15th 2001. music :: www.mp3.com/buse radio :: future listening :: www.wmtu.mtu.edu thursdays 10pm-1am # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maarten Bouwes" Subject: (orb) KLF/Orb: Madrugada Bandalu/Spanish Castles In Dub Date: 20 Sep 2000 10:21:45 GMT Hello there, This could be outdated.. I was surfing through the orb discography and i came across this item: KLF/Orb: Madrugada Bandalu/Spanish Castles In Dub. There was this email address attached to this bootleg. So I sent this person an email and instead of a reply, i received a failure notification. Are there ppl on this list who can help me find this item? Thanks, Maarten _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Smiley" Subject: RE: (orb) Oooohhhh nooooooooo!!!!! Date: 20 Sep 2000 12:23:40 +0100 nico wrote: > This morning I got mail from Mercury saying: The release of The Orb's > Cydonia is delayed till january 29th 2001!! > The first single Once More will be released at january 15th 2001. > > What the f**k is going on? i'll follow this up, and see if it applies to the UK release too. un - b - f*****g - leave - able... :-< --- Smiley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) the media IS the message Date: 20 Sep 2000 09:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Wallets = bad. There's no way around it. Having a nice be-jeweled library not only looks nice and makes it easier to find stuff (I have my 1200 cds alphabetized), but the stealing thing is such a problem. Esp if you own a ton of stuff... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Smiley" Subject: (orb) ORBULLETIN: CYDONIA DELAYED AGAIN Date: 20 Sep 2000 15:43:26 +0100 # This is an Orb announcement from the ORBULLETINS mailing list. ORBULLETINS # help is available by emailing "info orbulletins" to majordomo@xmission.com. # We're now on the web at http://www.theorb.com afternoon all. just had Nico's information confirmed by the band's management: ***** Bit of a story - but all for the best - It was looking unlikley we would meet deadline dates for October and rather than coming out in the thick of Xmas relases by the likes of U2/Spice Girls etc - we decided to put it back to the new year - I know I know but this way it won't get swamped with the xmas stuff. ***** :-< --- Smiley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Howat, Simon" Subject: (orb) CYDONIA DELAYED AGAIN Date: 20 Sep 2000 16:19:45 +0100 > but this way it won't get swamped with the xmas stuff. I am furious. Does anyone have the faintest idea what planet these people are on? How many people on this list are going to buy the new Spice Girls album anyway? My blood has reached boiling point! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Josephhannah1@aol.com Subject: (orb) Orbserver (orb) Date: 20 Sep 2000 12:45:36 EDT Salty greeting from the Suncoast!! I don't have a problem with the release of Cydonia being delayed. I think everyone should calm down a minute. Breathe. Boil some water. Shut up and quit complaining. I do not want a bunch of stupid E-mails. "Alex is a patient dude" ... and we all should be patient Orbearnauts. Now playing - - DAT recordings of the sonic boom b/w space shuttle landing last night 1/4 till four a.m. Now Playing = "Everybody Wants to Rule the World - Tears for Fears!" xJSH # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LiquidW@aol.com Subject: (orb) best way to prevent thievery of orb cds Date: 20 Sep 2000 03:02:28 EDT Last , but most important.......(so i'll mention it first)..... i think the best way to hold a cd collection is on a single shelf..at eye level.....run it across all four walls in your living room if you have to. No thief would take he time/waste the noise putting all of em in a bag. Me and my roommate have walked with my cd stand to hide it in a bedroom at parties(holds about 5-600) ,which always freaked me ...... how we could have just as easily laid it in a trunk ,or pickup.....(with all 20 or so orb cds in it!!!) >>>>>>>><>>>chrisjohnson hydromill sez.... AFAIC, big disc wallets just make it easy for someone to steal big chunks of your collection at once. >>>LiquidW Wow Chris. extremely good info , i fully agree....been thinking about it for months(since i put half my collection in about 3 cd wallets..i dont like it. Way too portable ,being worth the time and $ to amasss) Also....the sliding of the cds cant be good for them either ,the cases just hold them better. If you put a cd away tenderly....you almost wont touch the surface on either side where the data is. Plus , being in a straight line on the wall makes it xtremely simple to have them in AlphaBetaCal order. I'm glad my vinyl weighs a ton. I'm going hiking around the borders of CA , OR , and NV around sept. is there anybody out there # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "oobe" Subject: Re: (orb) ORBULLETIN: CYDONIA DELAYED AGAIN Date: 20 Sep 2000 12:03:41 -0500 oh hell... January is a bad date, as we all know that shopping during january is non existent. And then Feb-March is out due to Sandanista spiritual festivities. And April-May is just right out with the whole new Spring fashions hitting the stores- people will be just too confused. June is fucking right out. That's my birthday month, and I'm not doing any shopping and goingto the malls or shops with a bunch of wankers, so better not release the album then too. And what about July-August? Who likes to shop during the tortuous heat of deep summer? Better hold off on that one too. Hmmm... September? I hear Mickey Rooney's "Micky Rooney Sings Beloved Various National Anthems in the Key of D Minor Raga" is coming out. Shit, don't want to compete with that. Better hold off on a Septmeber release date. Now October... THAT's a good month to release the album. Okay guys, October 2067 is it. The date is set. -oobe www.oobe.org > afternoon all. just had Nico's information confirmed by the band's > management: > > ***** > > Bit of a story - but all for the best - It was looking unlikley we would > meet deadline dates for October and rather than coming out in the thick of > Xmas relases by the likes of U2/Spice Girls etc - we decided to put it back > to the new year - I know I know but this way it won't get swamped with the > xmas stuff. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Howat, Simon" Subject: (orb) CYDONIA DELAYED Date: 20 Sep 2000 18:06:44 +0100 > "Alex is a patient dude" For how much longer though? Whoever it was that said that Badorb was probably set up because of Alex's dissapointment at the record company corporate nonsense seems to have hit the nail on the head. I'm still angry too - and it's clearly not Alex's fault, so no hard feeling s there. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Hill Subject: Re: (orb) ORBULLETIN: CYDONIA DELAYED AGAIN Date: 20 Sep 2000 12:18:00 -0500 (CDT) Now *that* was one of the best post I've ever read. It is absolutely ridiculous that we're all playing our cd-r versions of cydonia months in advance. I guess i'll just have to buy those U2/Spice girls albums instead this xmas. whatever. On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, oobe wrote: > > oh hell... January is a bad date, as we all know that shopping during > january is non existent. And then Feb-March is out due to Sandanista > spiritual festivities. And April-May is just right out with the whole new > Spring fashions hitting the stores- people will be just too confused. June > is fucking right out. That's my birthday month, and I'm not doing any > shopping and goingto the malls or shops with a bunch of wankers, so better > not release the album then too. And what about July-August? Who likes to > shop during the tortuous heat of deep summer? Better hold off on that one > too. Hmmm... September? I hear Mickey Rooney's "Micky Rooney Sings > Beloved Various National Anthems in the Key of D Minor Raga" is coming out. > Shit, don't want to compete with that. Better hold off on a Septmeber > release date. Now October... THAT's a good month to release the album. > > Okay guys, October 2067 is it. The date is set. > > -oobe > www.oobe.org # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rachel Subject: (orb) delayed release date =( Date: 20 Sep 2000 10:15:53 -0700 its really not a matter of patience anymore, as now the integrity of the work has been sacrificed. by time they finally release the bloody thing, it hardly qualifies as new work, does it? i mean really, this album was made in 99 and 98, remixed in 00 and now released in 01? music trends/styles change so frequently, its not doing the lads any favours by delaying the release any more than they already have. now i'm ESPECIALLY grateful to our mysterious benefactor who provided the mp3s of Cydonia a few months ago... =( rachel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stratton, Jeff" Subject: RE: (orb) delayed release date =( Date: 20 Sep 2000 11:29:09 -0600 > now i'm ESPECIALLY grateful to our mysterious benefactor who provided the > mp3s of Cydonia a few months ago... as am I. whoever upped those mp3s... thank you. thank you very much. hats off... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Basscadet@webtv.net Subject: (orb) Cydonia delayed Date: 20 Sep 2000 10:55:38 -0700 (PDT) "Mickey Rooney's "Micky Rooney Sings Beloved Various National Anthems in the Key of D Minor Raga" LMAO....What the hell would that sound like on shrooms? As for the delay, I suggest we find out who is responsible, find out where they park their cars, and let all their tyres down. That'll show the bastards. martin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson" Subject: (orb) re: delay Date: 20 Sep 2000 18:04:01 +0000 another day, another delay... why am I not feeling surprised? I wonder what their excuse will be in january... I sincerely hope those GC mixes of Once More turn up then, or I'll be *sorely* disappointed. I know I'm not the only one who has been dreaming for years about GC mixing Orb... for that matter, I still hope GC release another album too... isn't the Cosmos album going to be released on the Island Blue label? is that the same management that's been screwing Orb around? *shudder* hope not --- Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://nemesis1.cjb.net free your :) [tm] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben in Space Subject: RE: (orb) Oooohhhh nooooooooo!!!!! Date: 20 Sep 2000 14:18:51 -0400 (EDT) > > Cydonia is delayed till january 29th 2001!! > > The first single Once More will be released at january 15th 2001. > > > > What the f**k is going on? hehe... "coming soon, an album of orb oldies called cydonia. Revisit the sound of your favorite group as they sounded in 1998, all through the magic of contract-based bullsh*t." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: (orb) CDZONE =( ! Date: 20 Sep 2000 14:44:41 -0400 one thing that really erks me is the fact that cdzone/uk is still "selling" Cydonia! I never did get my copy- so i canceled my order. lying sacks of .... Justin Meredith Ikon Office Solutions JUMERIDETH@IKON.COM 480 731 3839 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: (orb) Cydonia... the group Date: 20 Sep 2000 16:21:01 -0400 anyone ever hear of Cydonia? I heard a couple of tracks off Fear Of A Red Planet. Excellent hardcore trance!! Justin Meredith Ikon Office Solutions JUMERIDETH@IKON.COM # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rmstringer" Subject: (orb) Cydonia Date: 20 Sep 2000 17:10:00 -0500 Where can I get a copy of the MP3s from that album? R.M.Stringer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia Date: 20 Sep 2000 18:33:02 -0400 ----Original Message----- Where can I get a copy of the MP3s from that album? R.M.Stringer ---check out napster. i have also seen Cydonia's stuff on Sister Ray an CDZone, but if you actually want to get it-check out Sister Ray. it is definitely worth the $12- that is if you like hard, progressive trance. they are kinda similar to Eat Static and Juno Reactor(bible of dreams). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kael Driscoll Subject: (orb) ORBULLETIN: CYDONIA DELAYED AGAIN Date: 21 Sep 2000 09:12:15 +0800 I love how they said this: >Bit of a story - but all for the best - well thats OK, then! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick King" Subject: RE: (orb) CDZONE =( ! Date: 21 Sep 2000 02:18:53 +0100 > one thing that really erks me is the fact that cdzone/uk is still > "selling" > Cydonia! I never did get my copy- so i canceled my order. lying sacks of > .... CDZONE?? They're the guys I love pissing off by ordering all the back catalogue/never released items that they couldn't possibly have... And if they do, you can then sell the items via e-bay (though CDZONE have never had any of the items I've ordered - yet!)... Good for a giggle... And if it's not available, it then magically disappears from CDZONE's list!! Nick ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Bennett Subject: Re: (orb) Oooohhhh nooooooooo!!!!! Date: 21 Sep 2000 09:34:07 +0800 (WST) : This morning I got mail from Mercury saying: The release of The Orb's : Cydonia is delayed till january 29th 2001!! aaaaugh! they probably could have written another album in the time it's taken to release this last one.. hopefully it's not too long until the album after cydonia. record companies aren't always bad though, but i think island's being exceptionally abusive to both the band and the people who're waiting to get their ears around the CD in this case. womble -- ............................................................ womble: http://home.it.net.au/~womble/ "she's often inclined to borrow somebody's dreams 'til tomorrow." ............................................................ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lysergic Dream Subject: (orb) cydonia pushback/CD-Rs and FTPs Date: 20 Sep 2000 21:30:05 -0500 hmmm.. bummer of course... don't suppose this pushback could convince any of the lucky few with the cydonia v.2 CD-R or the 2CD version with the long versions to post the tracks that weren't on v.1 :-) a case could be made that its no different than whats already done in that the final release will be mixed fairly differently than the promo'd tracks... i'm sure i'm not alone in wanting a morsel to stave off these hunger pains... and it was so close too! well, theres always january... of course, we could all be dead by then! lysergic ************* Coming Soon ************* The Lysergic Dream - Cult of the Dying Streetlamp This fall/winter on Uncle Buzz Records Check out http://www.zombieproject.com/lysergic for brand new sound samples! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremiah Rickert Subject: (orb) Cydonia cover? Date: 20 Sep 2000 21:35:40 -0700 (PDT) So has anyone seen what the cover is supposed to look like? jr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Flory Gonzalez" Subject: (orb) Cydonia Date: 21 Sep 2000 10:28:01 -0400 Hello! I'm new to the list and was shocked to see Cydonia delayed. How is it possible then that amazon.com has it posted and my copy is slated to be delivered Sept 29-Oct 19th! I won't ever believe another release date ever again nor any online store that says it will deliver but really won't. But on an interesting note, there is a review posted on amazon.com that kicks *** in describing the album! Where can I get those mp3s? I've already got Once More & Promis, but want the rest! Flory # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vince Frank" Subject: (orb) Explanation of contradictory info.... Date: 21 Sep 2000 10:48:42 -0500 > Hello! I'm new to the list and was shocked to see Cydonia delayed. How is > it possible then that amazon.com has it posted and my copy is slated to be > delivered Sept 29-Oct 19th! I won't ever believe another release date ever > again nor any online store that says it will deliver but really won't. ===>Ok, I think I can explain what's going on with online stores taking pre-orders on items that aren't coming out when they're being released, based on my experiences working at a record store for a number of years: Record stores, both physical and online, receive release dates for albums from (I'm assuming) the record companies. If a record company then changes the date, the record store itself should not be blamed for not having updated information. Same thing with deleted titles. I'll never forget the day this jackass who graduated the year after me came into the store swearing and hollering--literally--saying shit like, "you fuckers don't know your goddam asses from a hole in the ground" when his order of some stupid cd like Bozz Scaggs Greatest Hits (or something like that) turned out to be deleted (i.e., no longer available). Sure, our computers showed it was still available, but this dickhead couldn't understand that there is a DELAY between the time that a record company makes a decision, and when the record stores are notified. We of course gave him a refund on his payment without any fuss. Now if a store (online or otherwise) would not give a refund, THEN I would have a big problem with that.... Sorry--I'm not calling ANYONE on this list a dickhead or anything, just that goof who came in our store. Guy was mentally unstable anyway. Everyone on this list is cool, as far as I'm concerned. :-) By-the-way (to Flory), welcome to the list! :-) Also, there *are* copies of version 1 of Cydonia floating around. I don't have a cd burner; otherwise, I'd help ya out.... :-( Vince # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Josephhannah1@aol.com Subject: (orb) Don't Panic!! Think, put the kettle on, run for the turtles. Date: 21 Sep 2000 12:53:33 EDT Who finds delays inspiring?? I do. Orbearnauts of old and new: It says it all right there... I think that the Deviant "Auntie Aubrey's II" release will be seen B-4 the Island/Def Jam's Cydonia. How about you? With all this delay... It just gives me more time to find the Orbscure releases that I haven't got ie: Stereophonic CD-5, Blood & Fire mix, Amb. Med. 2, and the tribal Survivor charity gimmick. As the best list on the web, and in supporting the best musical engineers in the most complex business. Lets all be good in nature and inspire Alex to go off!! Also, I can train for next year's inspiring run... http://www.sarasota-online.com/track/turtlerun-male.htm We could send the CD-r tree my way... I am always sporting a few extra Bucs!! I asked Alex if he would come back to So FL and run with me. Any one else inspired by delays? review for yourselves the updated web sites and let Eric know if you are new on the list to submit a BIO. It is safe and easy. I am interseted in hearing about more of you all on the list. Who are all of you anyway, Sasha and Digweed said it best: Now Playing = Communicate (Loud!) Now watching = Guga's sexy backhands (Bud Collins muted) I am going to the beach to share my orb with other orbs # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Seofon / ATOI" Subject: (orb) Re: Madrugada Bandulu/Spanish Castles In Dub Date: 21 Sep 2000 10:57:23 PDT >This could be outdated.. I was surfing through the orb discography and i >came across this item: KLF/Orb: Madrugada Bandalu/Spanish Castles In Dub. >There was this email address attached to this bootleg. So I sent this >person >an email and instead of a reply, i received a failure notification. >Are there ppl on this list who can help me find this item? If I recall correctly, these appeared on the /Space Out/ tribute compilation put together by some Xmission folks. Those two cuts were produced by Steve Reese, who apparently did his own cassette release as well, but your best bet to hear them is to track down a copy of /Space Out/. I had a track on the comp as well (a remix of "Saturn"), and last I heard the executive producer was going to get it remastered on CD, but I haven't heard anything for some time now ... ! -=Seofon _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sarah B. Norton" Subject: (orb) Andy in So Cal Date: 21 Sep 2000 11:09:04 -0700 Hello Orbies! Thought the So Cal listees may be interested to know that Andy Hughes will be at The Masterdome October 20. Friday, October 20. Tickets are currently $10. You can call 877.728.3588 for more info.... Also, who's gonna be at the LX/Juno Reactor show Nov. 24? Orb lovers unite!! Contact me off-list if you're interested in meeting up... Peace and Fluffiness, Sarah # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "oobe" Subject: (orb) OT: SURGE, "Wreckage" Date: 21 Sep 2000 13:46:43 -0500 I received a promo copy of Millennium Record's Externally Alive Vol 4 the other day, and the first track is a Drum & Bass mix of the single "Cold Air" featuring Sally Strawberry from the new album by the UK's Surge. I see on the record company's website where the group spent much of their time in the 90's playing gigs with our very own Alex Paterson. Anyone else know much about this album, and when it will be released in the States? I have to say that the D&B mix of Cold Air is one of the most gorgeous dance songs I have ever had the pleasure listen to.... and listen, and listen, and listen..... -oobe www.oobe.org # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: marcolphus Subject: (orb) Question about Lazlo discography Date: 21 Sep 2000 18:48:25 +0200 What is going on with it?? It hasn't been updated since January :-(( -- == http://i.am/marcolphus == Fluke, Leftfield & Voo Voo discographies == # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) Question about Lazlo discography Date: 21 Sep 2000 11:50:54 -0700 marcolphus wrote: > > What is going on with it?? It hasn't been updated since January :-(( Actually the Orb discography one of the more-recently updated ones...not that much has been released that needs to be added. He usually holds off on an update until a new album is released, and singles and promos have had time to trickle out. (I imagine an update for Underworld will be forthcoming.) That reminds me, I have a pile of Orb compilation appearances that I have to catalog and send in... Chris np: V/A - Taking Liberties (*love* that Blue Lamp mix of Blue Room) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "oobe" Subject: (orb) OT: SURGE, Wreckage (feat. "Cold Air") Date: 21 Sep 2000 02:25:25 -0500 Has anyone else had the pleasure of listening to this group? They have a new album, which is described as the following on their record company's site: Imagine a cross between classic ORB, the beautiful ONE DOVE, a hint of Dub Reggae and haunting vocals by Becky Kaye and Sally Strawberry! SURGE`s Debut Album "Wreckage" is either a Chill Out Paradise or the new road to "Spook Pop"....one of these truly inspired Albums which will get stuck in your CD Player forever All I can say is that if their album, Wreckage, is even half as beautiful as the Drum & Bass mix of their single "Cold Air" I got on the promo copy of Millennium Record's Externally Alive Vol. 4, this album is going to be very, very good. You'll probably want to check this one out. -oobe www.oobe.org # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?zenlab=AE?= Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia Date: 22 Sep 2000 08:50:47 -0400 : But on an interesting note, there is a review posted on amazon.com that : kicks *** in describing the album! Where can I get those mp3s? I've : already got Once More & Promis, but want the rest! that'd be my review of it. glad you enjoyed it! » eric³ » web developer . pixel pusher » zenlab : enlightened web designs » www.thezenlab.com » ZeroChaos.com » www.zerochaos.com » Freelancers! Click Here! » ScreamDesign.com » www.screamdesign.com » Learning Place for the Web Generation # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bbbrooo@aol.com Subject: (orb) Silver Machine Date: 22 Sep 2000 13:11:32 EDT Has anyone heard or better still have a copy of the "ureleased" Dec 1992 Orb remix of Silver Machine. I would love to hear it!! billbrooks # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James R. Mason" Subject: (orb) Cydonia delay Date: 22 Sep 2000 19:40:43 -0400 Come on people, show a tiny bit of maturity. Its just music. The band is okay with it, why can't you be? No need to whine about it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: orbette Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia delay Date: 22 Sep 2000 17:47:26 -0600 "James R. Mason" wrote: > > Come on people, show a tiny bit of maturity. Its just music. > The band is okay with it, why can't you be? > No need to whine about it. I can completely understand your point about the band being okay with it James, but JUST music? : ) 'bette # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rmstringer" Subject: (orb) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:06:55 -0500 Date: 22 Sep 2000 18:04:30 -0600 Come on people, show a tiny bit of maturity. Its just music. The band is okay with it, why can't you be? No need to whine about it. A- Men!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 R.M.Stringer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson" Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia delay Date: 23 Sep 2000 00:30:20 +0000 At 17:47 22.9.2000 -0600, orbette wrote: >"James R. Mason" wrote: > > Come on people, show a tiny bit of maturity. Its just music. > > The band is okay with it, why can't you be? > > No need to whine about it. > >I can completely understand your point about the band being okay with it >James, but JUST music? : ) there's no such thing as *just* music :) music is life! music is universe! music is everything! (heh, sorry, that one is old ;) (and who said the band was ok about it?) --- Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://nemesis1.cjb.net free your :) [tm] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ovation15@aol.com Subject: (orb) X-Mix Fast Forward & Rewind- Ken Isi DVD Date: 22 Sep 2000 21:29:59 EDT i got this today and just watched it.... wow that was truley impressive!! if you have a DVD player treat yourself to this one, i am very confident you wont regret. computer animation is very irticit and pleasing; the sound track is is wonderful too lots of different styles youre sure to like. coldcut, squarepusher and lots of cool trax!!! have i said enough, well hurry go to cdnow.com and order it!! what are you waiting for?? gemini killer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rmstringer" Subject: (orb) ORB FTP Date: 23 Sep 2000 20:59:16 -0500 I lost the ftp address when I formatted last night. Could you please send it to me again. From 20000 Feet above Merrillville Indiana, Rmstringer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "The TieDyed Side of the Force" Subject: RE: (orb) best way to prevent thievery of orb cds Date: 23 Sep 2000 20:25:26 -0700 > AFAIC, big disc wallets just make it easy for someone to steal big > chunks of your collection at once. Those disk wallets are to hold the CDR copies we make of our out-of-print CDs so we can take those out the party, or to Burning Man, or whatever, while the originals are safe at home in their jewel cases (which are on a rack that would fall apart if anyone tried to move it while it was full). You don't want to put the originals in those wallets anyway, if a piece of sand gets in the sleeve, it could scratch the CD. Ride the Music, (don't lose the music) AndyTiedye # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony Bryan Subject: (orb) orb ftp Date: 24 Sep 2000 03:00:53 -0400 (EDT) > ftp://moresounds.dyn.dhs.org > login: anonymous > password: YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS > > > On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, rmstringer wrote: > > > > > I lost the ftp address when I formatted last night. Could you please send it > > to me again. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Subject: RE: (orb) best way to prevent thievery of orb cds Date: 24 Sep 2000 03:26:54 -0400 (EDT) > You don't want to put the originals in those wallets anyway, if a piece of > sand gets in the sleeve, it could scratch the CD. I learned that lesson the hard way, luckily it was a copied CD, so I didn't lose anything important.... I don't trust anything important to CD wallets anymore. Then again, I've also scratched CD badly when the little plastic widgets in the center break off and I don't notice, they can trash the CD. ---- Jeff Script kiddies taste like chicken # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremiah Rickert Subject: RE: (orb) wallets Date: 24 Sep 2000 00:41:57 -0700 (PDT) On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, Jeff wrote: > > You don't want to put the originals in those wallets anyway, if a piece of > > sand gets in the sleeve, it could scratch the CD. I had a bunch of CDs get permanent marks that corresponded to the "texture" of the sleeves in the CD wallet. Needless to say, I never plan to use one of those again. jr Jeremiah "Spassvogel" Rickert 6'7" 320 lbs of Dr. Pepper and Pez Candy. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "E O" Subject: RE: (orb) wallets Date: 24 Sep 2000 14:36:56 GMT My old college roommate had a 100 disc wallet - full - that wandering off with someone new when he was djing a party one night. I just couldn't imagine that, especially since that I have a fair amount of oop stuff that would be just a bitch to try and replace... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Orb" Subject: Fw: (orb) Re: Madrugada Bandulu/Spanish Castles In Dub Date: 22 Sep 2000 12:47:29 +0200 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Seofon / ATOI > To: > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 7:57 PM > Subject: (orb) Re: Madrugada Bandulu/Spanish Castles In Dub > > > > > > > > >This could be outdated.. I was surfing through the orb discography and i > > >came across this item: KLF/Orb: Madrugada Bandalu/Spanish Castles In Dub. > > >There was this email address attached to this bootleg. So I sent this > > >person > > >an email and instead of a reply, i received a failure notification. > > >Are there ppl on this list who can help me find this item? > > > > If I recall correctly, these appeared on the /Space Out/ tribute > compilation > > put together by some Xmission folks. Those two cuts were produced by > Steve > > Reese, who apparently did his own cassette release as well, but your best > > bet to hear them is to track down a copy of /Space Out/. > > > > I had a track on the comp as well (a remix of "Saturn"), and last I heard > > the executive producer was going to get it remastered on CD, but I haven't > > heard anything for some time now ... ! > > > > -=Seofon > > Where can I get that copy from? > I am already searching after this item (madrugada bandulu) for 4 years now > :) > > Maarten > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James R. Mason" Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia delay Date: 23 Sep 2000 00:05:27 -0400 True, it is the Orb. But still. Why bitch about it? Its not like we can do anything about it except listen to the demos... ----- Original Message ----- Cc: Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 7:47 PM > > > "James R. Mason" wrote: > > > > Come on people, show a tiny bit of maturity. Its just music. > > The band is okay with it, why can't you be? > > No need to whine about it. > > > I can completely understand your point about the band being okay with it > James, but JUST music? : ) > > > 'bette > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Drunken Master" Subject: (orb) tour dates Date: 24 Sep 2000 21:48:03 PDT What was that cali date again, mabye I'll drive from Washington if I don't have school. Are there any other dates? one in washington possibly, cali is a 24 hour drive from where I live. Also I'm looking for a web site that sells bootlegs,etc. I can't remember the url but I got it from someone on here when I had the drunkfux email addy. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Carlos Serrano" Subject: (orb) the tainted orb Date: 25 Sep 2000 10:22:22 -0400 i've uploaded a remix compilation i did a few nights ago to MoonDogg's ftp server. the working title is 'the tainted orb' and it's a 74minute mp3 @ 65mb. i've been getting some nice feedback on it, so i thought i'd share it with THE list. enjoy, carlos # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Wardle" Subject: (orb) Select Cuts from Blood and Fire Date: 25 Sep 2000 19:35:11 +0100 Hello all Im just upping the orb mix from this sampler to the OAA. Hope you all enjoy. Regards :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Wardle" Subject: (orb) Select Cuts from Blood and Fire Date: 25 Sep 2000 21:15:22 +0100 Hello all Im just upping the orb mix from this sampler to the OAA. Hope you all enjoy. Regards :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Watercolors" Subject: (orb) OOBE on Peel Sessions Date: 26 Sep 2000 09:48:03 -0500 What is the source of the sample at the beginning of the OOBE with the young boy saying "ladies and gentlemen, i will perform "Prelude" by Rachmoninoff in C sharp minor for piano and orchestra"? Sergei Rachmaninov (Russia, 1873-1943) It's not so long since the Grove Dictionary of Music described his music as 'ninth-rate', and he used to attract nothing but sneers from the establishment. They were quite happy to ignore the fact that his Second Piano Concerto - known in the trade as 'Rach 2' - and his Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini were terrifically popular with the public. You might think his ability to write great, popular tunes would have allowed Rachmaninov to forget the critics, but he was extraordinarily sensitive: the barrage of abuse hurled at him after his First Symphony reduced him to a quivering wreck, and it was five years and several hypnotherapy sessions later that he had the courage to offer the public another big piece. He was an outstanding pianist with huge hands that could span enormous distances, and luckily for us, in the latter part of his career he recorded many of his own works. Surprisingly, for such lush Romantic music, his own playing of it seems rather restrained and formal. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Grand112" Subject: (orb) Near Earth Asteroid Rendezvous Date: 26 Sep 2000 18:04:39 +0200 YORB! Flipping though a popular science mag EROS (the 'secret' track on = Orblivion)=20 struck me as being an asteroid. An asteroid which was closely passed May = this year by a gizmo called NEAR taking some neat photos. Rock On.. . =20 .:muzz:. Now Enjoying: Broadcast: Noise Made By People & EROS ;) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chain Reaction Subject: (orb) Second call: X-Mix tapes... Date: 27 Sep 2000 06:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Orbies! >Are there people on this list who own (original) copies of the X-Mix video series? They're the ones that are sometimes shown at MTV's Party Zone or Chill Out Zone, with beautifully computer-animated clips playing over techno mixes from top DJ's like Dave Angel or Laurent Garnier...? If so, and if you're able to make video copies, please contact me and hopefully we could work out a trade.... I know, this is the second time I post this message....but could the people who are still interested in a trade contact me once more off list (Not you, Leonard, of course!)..? Thanx in advance, Steph... "Life films us exactly" -Vladislav Delay ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sean Strout" Subject: (orb) 11/24/00 santa clara Date: 27 Sep 2000 08:56:36 -0400 http://www.pollstar.com/tour/searchall.pl?By=Artist&Content=ORB&AN=Y Fri 11/24/00 Santa Ana, CA, Galaxy Theater, - Orb If you check out the website: http://www.galaxytheatre.com/Upcoming/upcoming.htm It's actually Juno Reacter and Alex Patterson, 8pm $17.50. -Sean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sean Strout" Subject: (orb) apologies, it's santa ANA (no message) Date: 27 Sep 2000 09:10:59 -0400 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Shah Subject: Re: (orb) 11/24/00 santa clara Date: 27 Sep 2000 07:58:52 -0700 On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 08:56:36AM -0400, Sean Strout wrote: > Fri 11/24/00 Santa Ana, CA, Galaxy Theater, - Orb This was NOT very nice of you. Raising my hopes like that.... Geez... Although if anyone wants to arrange an Orb concert in Santa Clara, CA, I'd be a very happy person. =) -Steve -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Steve Shah (sshah@planetoid.org) | SysAdmin/Coder/Gabbernaut/DJ/Writer/Minister http://www.planetoid.org | We're not dropping out, we're infiltrating. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Life is best measured in beats per minute. How alive are you? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ovation15@aol.com Subject: (orb) Planet Dog Records Date: 27 Sep 2000 20:11:00 EDT I have a Eat Static-Abduction CD on planet dog/mammoth records from 1995 that is out of print and unavailable now. it is brand new still shrink wrapped. i need some of the other planet dog releases, please e-mail me if youd like to trade for this CD and/or have other planet dog releases that youd be willing to trade. i am looking for Banco de gia: Maya Last Train ti Lhasa eat static: implant epsylon Planet Dub Feed you Head 1 children of the bong-sirius sounds and others lemme know of you got some planet dog releases. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott" Subject: (orb) Orb Video Date: 28 Sep 2000 11:14:51 -0400 A while ago (about 5 years) I purchased a tape by the Orb called 'Adventures beyond the Ultraworld: Patterns and Textures version. The tape was awesome and it came with a CD consisting of the soundtrack for the whole tape. My sister and her friend enjoyed this videa as much as I did and my sister often borrowed it. However, last time I lent it to her with a great deal of hesitation, she insisted it would be the last time, and that her boyfriend, who had a video card capable of taking video input, would dub me a 'digital' version of the video to protect it from being destroyed. Unfortunitly her friend who liked the video borrowed it without asking (just took it from her house) and proceeded to lose it (or has claimed to have lost it). I of course would very much like the video back as I am a huge Orb fan and had the video more as a collection piece then anything else. Is there anyone out there who knows where I can still pick up an original tape to replace mine. I am not concerned to much about price (so long as it is fair) as my sister and her friend have guarenteed me they would replace it if anyone could find it again. Anyone out there with that can offer any help, please e-mail me and let me know. Your time in reading this post is appreciated. Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Shah Subject: Re: (orb) Orb Video Date: 30 Sep 2000 10:08:17 -0700 On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 11:14:51AM -0400, Scott wrote: > Is there anyone out there who knows where I can still pick up an original > tape to replace mine. I am not concerned to much about price (so long as it Good thing you aren't concerned about price. Check on ebay, but be careful of bootlegs. There are a lot out there... -Steve -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Steve Shah (sshah@planetoid.org) | SysAdmin/Coder/Gabbernaut/DJ/Writer/Minister http://www.planetoid.org | We're not dropping out, we're infiltrating. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Life is best measured in beats per minute. How alive are you? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Basford Subject: Re: (orb) Orb Video Date: 30 Sep 2000 23:06:00 +0100 Steve Shah wrote : >On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 11:14:51AM -0400, Scott wrote: >> Is there anyone out there who knows where I can still pick up an original >> tape to replace mine. I am not concerned to much about price (so long as it >Good thing you aren't concerned about price. >Check on ebay, but be careful of bootlegs. There are a lot out there... >- -Steve What a coincidence this should come up in today's digest, I was also planning to mention 'Patterns & Textures' this weekend :) I acquired a brand-new copy of the video, along with the Limited Edition soundtrack CD from Map Records (www.maprecords.co.uk) just this week. Even better, it was part of their sale so I got it for the princely sum of £9.99 (about $14?) so I'd recommend looking there, just in case they had more than one. Unfortunately this was the only Orb item they had reduced during their sale. Chris Basford E-mail : chris_basford@btinternet.com ICQ : 41233978 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Shah Subject: Re: (orb) Orb Video Date: 30 Sep 2000 16:30:44 -0700 On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 11:06:00PM +0100, Chris Basford wrote: > I acquired a brand-new copy of the video, along with the Limited Edition > soundtrack CD from Map Records (www.maprecords.co.uk) just this week. Yeah, I thought I found it too when I bought my copy. What I got was a pretty well done boot leg of it. =| Not that I'm complaining -- it's a good video and I'm glad I got it regardless, but any record store that has half a clue won't be so quick to see an item for so cheap. OTOH, if you did get the real deal -- congrats! You're a very lucky person. -Steve -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Steve Shah (sshah@planetoid.org) | SysAdmin/Coder/Gabbernaut/DJ/Writer/Minister http://www.planetoid.org | We're not dropping out, we're infiltrating. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Life is best measured in beats per minute. How alive are you? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson" Subject: Re: (orb) Orb Video Date: 01 Oct 2000 01:19:39 +0000 At 16:30 30.9.2000 -0700, Steve Shah wrote: >On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 11:06:00PM +0100, Chris Basford wrote: > > I acquired a brand-new copy of the video, along with the Limited Edition > > soundtrack CD from Map Records (www.maprecords.co.uk) just this week. > >Yeah, I thought I found it too when I bought my copy. What I got >was a pretty well done boot leg of it. =| Not that I'm complaining -- >it's a good video and I'm glad I got it regardless, but any record >store that has half a clue won't be so quick to see an item for >so cheap. > >OTOH, if you did get the real deal -- congrats! You're a very lucky >person. steve, you saying you got the boot from maprecords or from some other source? and how can you tell it apart from the real thing :) hmm... well, if it's a good quality boot, then it beats not having it at all, right? :) --- Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://nemesis1.cjb.net free your :) [tm] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender.