From: RedLabel1@aol.com Subject: Re: Orb Live At Woodstock Date: 01 Aug 1994 11:02:17 EDT The Orb are not playing in the daytime @ Woodstock -- they are playing from 4:30 AM until dawn on Saturday and then at midnight on Sunday. They are bringing over a huge lighting system with a 19-person lighting crew, so the show should be spectacular. They are setting up the whole rig at Metro in Chicago to practice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charlie@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Charles Edward Patisaul) Subject: Re: Live Orb Dates Date: 01 Aug 1994 17:38:54 -0400 (EDT) > These will be the only North American dates they will play this year. > If you need any more details, message to RedLabel1@aol.com Yeah, and less than a week ago this same person told us that Woodstock was the ONLY date for North America. Let me tell you, these threats of single concerts aren't making me rush out to buy Woodstock tickets. I expect to see a couple more dates and "these are the only dates for North America" every week for a while here.. - -- Charles E. Patisaul Melbourne, Florida USA _____ charlie@rtfm.mlb.fl.us |\ /| | O | GE d- -p+ c+/++ l(-) u+ e+(*) m+(*) s n- h+ f+ g- w+ t(+) r y? |/_\| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cspot@netcom.com (Chris.Hilker) Subject: Re: Live Orb Dates Date: 01 Aug 1994 14:54:27 -0700 (PDT) >> These will be the only North American dates they will play this year. >> If you need any more details, message to RedLabel1@aol.com > > Yeah, and less than a week ago this same person told us that Woodstock >was the ONLY date for North America. Actually, the original message mentioned the possibility of a midwest date. I don't think it's too outrageous that that would become two. > I expect to see a couple more dates and "these are the only >dates for North America" every week for a while here.. I don't. I think these are all the Orb dates we'll see this year. FFWD dates, on the other hand, might prove to be another story. :) C. - -- Channel ** cspot/chris [cspot@netcom.com] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccastge@prism.gatech.edu Subject: info on the next Orb release from keyboard Date: 01 Aug 1994 20:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Just got my copy of the latest Keyboard magazine today (Sept 1994), and found this interesting tidbit about the next Orb release. (from "Career Update", pg10): ====================================================================== "Another ambitious project is due from The Orb in September. Titled 'The Seven Wonders of the World' as we went to press, the double CD will feature musical portraits of the Pyramids and other imposing phenomena... ====================================================================== Double CD... woo-hoo!! Just as long as those "phenomena" don't include fishcakes or hamburgers... =8-) - -- ccastge@prism.gatech.edu | All of us get lost in the darkness, a.k.a., Guy Elden Jr. | Dreamers learn to steer by the stars... Neil Peart ---->| All of us do time in the gutter, of RUSH | Dreamers turn to look at the cars... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CAPED CRUSADER Subject: live 93 liner notes Date: 02 Aug 1994 0:48:58 -0400 (EDT) neil writez: >>>> said by Alex at some point) in the liner notes to "Live 93" that reads, " 'Don't Leave Earth Without One' my fucking arsehole." Presumably Dr. Alex wasn't too pleased about the sticker.... Any ideas, Red Label? <<<< you got it a bit wrong. those are comments that a big life or mercury record exec said, not alex about the sticker. i found those comments to be a bit amusing myself, shows some of what the ob oops, orb had to go thru. - -ryan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Day Subject: More Pomme Fritz........ Date: 02 Aug 1994 09:30:00 PDT There seems to of been a lot of talk recently about how good or bad the "small" LP is and how it comperes to others. Well I decided to add my tupence worth in the form of the following statement(s): Pomme Fritz is excellent! As are all the other LP's except LIVE '93, which on it's own is tollerable but compared to the other Orb LP's and other live recordings (i.e. the Patterns & Textures video soundtrack) is SHITE! There, now I've said it, short but sweet. Comments, flames, etc will be accepted and dealt with accordingly. regards chris dubnobasswithmyheadman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) Subject: Orb in Chicago Date: 02 Aug 1994 11:42:42 -0500 (CDT) Well, Orb tickets went on sale today for Chicago's Metro. I guess its next Tuesday night at 10 p.m. Going to get my tix now! Finally, ******************************************************************************* * Mark B. Conklin * " All that we see or seem is but a dream within a * * mbconkli@ilstu.edu * dream within a dream within a dream..." -EAP * ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Pomme Fritz comments Date: 02 Aug 1994 11:46:17 -0600 (MDT) > I think I remember reading that the import version of "Pomme Fritz" has > art on the CD itself. Is this true? Yeah, it's a two-color (black/blue) rendition of the mechano-star from the cover. - -- Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ====================================================================== "Techno techno bloody *techno*, darling!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Clawson Subject: New video? Date: 02 Aug 1994 18:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: 02-Aug-1994 06:36pm EST From: Clawson, John JCLAWSON Dept: STUDENT3 Tel No: (201)-408-4956 TO: Remote Addressee ( _in%ORB@XMISSION.COM ) Greets all... Has anyone seen the new video (for Pomme Fritz) yet? It was reviewed in this weeks industry version of CMJ in the VMJ section. It sounds pretty amusing, but I haven't seen it yet. I was just wondering if eMTyV has been playing it yet or not. Curious if any other video outlets are playing it. It was listed as the cover focus for VMJ so it must be getting some heavy push. ----Jay [If only Woodstock tix weren't sold in blocks of four....it's almost sacriligious to miss them when they're only 4-5 hours away playing two sets...] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Hostetler Subject: New video? (fwd) Date: 02 Aug 1994 17:51:28 -0500 (EST) John Clawson said: > [If only Woodstock tix weren't sold in blocks of four....it's almost > sacriligious to miss them when they're only 4-5 hours away playing two Tickets are now being sold in pairs. Is *anyone* DATing Woodstock?? Now that Orbital is playing, I'm tempted to pay the damn $50 for ppv. Wait, what am I saying? Never mind! - -- Brian Hostetler http://sparrow.bio.indiana.edu/brian/me '...most of it is radical hip drug culture overload. Obviously, the first thing to do is set up some simple methodology and see if you can't study the experiences under control laboratory conditions.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Hostetler Subject: Re: Rave Stock? Is this true? (fwd) Date: 02 Aug 1994 18:38:17 -0500 (EST) Karl Jacob said: > Woodstock '94 producers today announced two "raves" which will take > place at the South Stage at the end of scheduled performances > Friday and Sunday nights. AH-HA! So, it seems to me that the Orb and Orbital WILL NOT be available on pay-per-view. FUCK! - -- Brian Hostetler http://sparrow.bio.indiana.edu/brian/me '...most of it is radical hip drug culture overload. Obviously, the first thing to do is set up some simple methodology and see if you can't study the experiences under control laboratory conditions.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JT Subject: How to get tix for show in Detroit? Date: 02 Aug 1994 20:07:53 EDT I saw the post with info about the Chicago show, but has there been any more info about where and how to get tickets for the Detroit show? Thanks, JT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Alexander Subject: Re: How to get tix for show in Detroit? Date: 02 Aug 1994 22:19:16 -0400 > I saw the post with info about the Chicago show, but has there been > any more info about where and how to get tickets for the Detroit show? They are going to be in Pontiac at "Industry", 810-334-1999. Calling that number gets a recording that says: The Orb, Wednesday Aug 10th, doors open at 9pm, 18+ only, advance tickets available at Off the Record in Royal Oak or through TicketMaster 810-645-6666. TicketBastard closes at 9pm, so I don't know prices yet. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RedLabel1@aol.com Subject: Re: FFWD Date: 03 Aug 1994 14:28:02 EDT Just picked this up last night at Gramaphone Records in Chicago. FFWD FFWD Inter-Modo inta 001 cd 1. hidden 2. lucky saddle 3. drone 4. hempire 5. collossus 6. what time is clock 7. can of bliss 8. elevenses 9. meteor storm 10. buckwheat & grits 11. klangtest 12. suess wie eine nuss written by r. fripp/t. fehlmann/k. weston/d.a.r. paterson produced by the orb and thomas fehlmann * I'm only listening to it for the second time right now. First impression: very spacey -- reminds me of KLF's Chill Out. I paid $19.98 plus tax. More later. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pashdown@xmission.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Orbstock Date: 03 Aug 1994 15:55:13 -0700 >Tickets are now being sold in pairs. >Is *anyone* DATing Woodstock?? Now that Orbital is playing, I'm tempted >to pay the damn $50 for ppv. Wait, what am I saying? Never mind! They probably won't be on the PPV, considering they'll be playing in a side tent. I managed to swing a free ticket to the event, but then bagged the whole idea when I found out the following: 1. Had to fly into NYC to get a good price. No idea how I was to get to the event. 2. Orb/Orbital were the only things I wanted to see. Peter Gabriel was also playing, but I wasn't sure of the value of seeing any of these people from two miles away. 3. I'd rather save my money to fly over to Norway for an event like last July 24th where I want to see ALL the bands and I don't have to sit through many that I don't care about. Verdict: The Orb show will probably be great, but there are too many detractions about the whole thing to even bother. Its too bad they're willing to do something like this on a farm in upstate New York, and not a canyon in Arizona, a desert in Utah, or a beach near San Francisco. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "W. Keenan" Subject: FFWD Date: 04 Aug 1994 11:17:21 -0500 (CDT) will FFWD's _FFWD_ (Inter-Modo inta 001 cd) be released domestically in the US in the near future? is the version of "lucky saddle" the same version as the "ls" on _trance europe express II_?? is island/redlabel only releasing official orb product in the US or are they also acting as the american rep for inter-modo?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dscarey@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Apollo ) Subject: New video? (fwd) Date: 04 Aug 1994 17:17:57 -0700 (PDT) > > Subject: New video? > > Greets all... > > Has anyone seen the new video (for Pomme Fritz) yet? It was > reviewed in this weeks industry version of CMJ in the VMJ section. It > sounds pretty amusing, but I haven't seen it yet. I was just wondering if > eMTyV has been playing it yet or not. Curious if any other video outlets > are playing it. It was listed as the cover focus for VMJ so it must be > getting some heavy push. > > ----Jay I've got a Island promo of it....it consists of: 1) Pommme Fritz (7:00) song 2) Various shots of a blue inward spiralling infinite shape that looks like to two threaded screws pointing in on each other..this goes on for a while. 3) A guy that looks like richard james, who, shirtlessly, rotates three to five glass balls in his hands, musch like david bowie did in "Labyrinth". 4) These two images are layered upon one another for a while with various closeups and fades....basically building upon the layered nature of the song. Dizzying and vaguely annoying.... 5) Suddenly everything changes and we get to see a montage of English living (flats, power stations, old ladies in tacky clothing) and I am reminded of a Inspiral Carpets, or was it the Charlatans, or was it the Young Ones, video...I carn't remember. The blue infinity thingy floats through each shot, and people notice it. Every once in a while the images are upside down, but other than that it doesn't get too much more exciting. 6) The video ends with a shot of the sun through the tops of some trees Impressions...dull and unoriginal, much like the song itself. Fitting, I suppose. "drop back to a lower orbit: you'll go faster!" ____ ____ \ \ \ \ _________ _________ ________ \ \ \ \ ________ \______ \ \ ___ \ \ ___ \ \ \ \ \ \ ___ \ _____\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ ____ \ \ \__\ \ \ \__\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \__\ \ \ \____\ \_ \ _____\ \_______\ \___\ \___\ \_______\ \___________\ \ \ ______________ \ \ ______________________________________ \ \__\ \\\\ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ You need a mess of help to stand alone \\\\ \\\\\ dscarey@sdcc13.ucsd.edu \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R_FIG@delphi.com Subject: What videos? Date: 05 Aug 1994 03:13:57 -0400 (EDT) The only videos for the Orb that I know about: The Orb's Adventure Beyond The Ultraworld (movie+CD) a long-form video and CD soundtrack bound together. Always sells for $40.00 so I shunned it. But the blurb mentions an AARDVARK >>> I love that <<< nicking the huge, ever growing pulsating brain (loving u). Am I missing something important? I'm not the kind who has to own every stupid release (i.e. Mr. Level 42) but I traded the UK double-CD *excuse me I'll correct that* I traded the US single-CD Ultraworld for the UK double-CD Ultraworld and felt blown over by the difference. and: _Blue Room_(radio edit) Mtv played it maybe twice late at night. I liked it. Orbs and Dolphins. SO-- what is Patterns & Textures, and how can I cheaply view Orb Visuals? &^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^@ r_fig@delphi.com @,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,& p.s. Fuck Woodstock and perverted hippy ideals p.p.s. What's "orbital@xmission.com" like? Do they make every post about Woodstock like this one does? Orbital ruled Nasa tour in Boston 93 So did Aphex Twin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Miller Subject: Marcus Garvey Date: 05 Aug 1994 17:13:25 +0800 (HKT) OK, I know who Haile Sellasie (sp?) is (after reading a bunch of Orb txts admittedly), but who's Marcus Garvey? Chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cspot@netcom.com (Chris.Hilker) Subject: Re: Marcus Garvey Date: 05 Aug 1994 03:07:05 -0700 (PDT) >OK, I know who Haile Sellasie (sp?) is (after reading a bunch of Orb txts >admittedly), but who's Marcus Garvey? Don't people know how to use encyclopedias anymore? :) Garvey was a black leader, born in Jamaica, whose Back to Africa movement had approximately 2 million followers in the 1920's. More importantly, he is considered a prophet by Rastafarians - he predicted the coming of Haile Selassie, in the traditions of that religion. C. - -- Channel ** cspot/chris [cspot@netcom.com] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Shepherd Subject: Re: Marcus Garvey Date: 05 Aug 1994 12:33:44 -0500 Well, as ye may know, Ras Tafari I (Haile Selassie) was a hero in Rastafarian culture (or rather, still is), and so is Marcus Garvey. Marcus was a 20's American black rights leader who initiated the "Back to Africa" movement and is in fact responsible for the green, black, and red colors of the African- American movement today. He was eventually jailed by the government because of his practice of not keeping any records of who he sold stock to in his corporation. He died in his native Jamaica a hero in (I believe) 1938. Or something like that. belgo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wallace E. Winfrey" Subject: Need ride to Orb in Chicago! Date: 05 Aug 1994 12:46:25 -0500 (CDT) OK I've had *three* rides fall through on me so far, so if anyone even remotely close to Columbia or St. Louis would like to let me ride up with them and pay part of gas, etc. I would be SOOOO gr8ful. I also have two extra tickets, so if you were thinking of going and decided not to b/c of a lack of tickets..... PLEASE HELP; hitchhiking from Columbia, while it may be necessary, is certainly *not* desireable. wally ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LIVINGSTONM@delphi.com Subject: Samples for The Orb's Adventures... Date: 05 Aug 1994 16:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Does anyone know what the classical music samples are from "Into the Fourth Dimension"? And especially who performed them? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David P. Potosky" Subject: Chicago Show Cancelled. Date: 06 Aug 1994 15:29:42 -0600 (MDT) I dunno if you all knew already, but the Chicago show was cancelled. I dont know if this goes for Detroit as well or the reasons. Bummer, but for some reason I kinda expected that to happen. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Paul Potosky "In the famous words of Socrates: Computer Science NMSU I drank what???????" dpotosky@nmsu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stevekim@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Steven Kim) Subject: Chicago CANCELLED Date: 06 Aug 1994 16:56:52 -0500 (CDT) Arrrgghhhh! I called Metro, and sure enough, the vicious rumor is true - Orb cancelled the Chicago date. To those of you who already bought tickets, there is a point of sale refund. I can only hope I can get back that &t_*$&@*&4 service charge! Let's see - the past three times the Orb have been scheduled to play here, they have cancelled... If Pomme Fritz signals some sort of new trend for the Orb, I can only hope that cancelling shows is not part of that same trend as well. A Thousand :( 's - -- Steve Kim stevekim@casbah.acns.nwu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Bennett Subject: Detroit Cancelled Date: 07 Aug 1994 11:44:22 -0700 (PDT) A poster to the mw-raves regional rave list indicates that the Detroit show was cancelled Saturday morning. So Chicago was cancelled, now Detroit. Is Woodstock'94 next? Anyone got the inside scoop on the cancellations? Andrew - -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Just A Guy Made Of Dots And Lines Subject: Pomme Fritz... Date: 07 Aug 1994 21:22:35 EDT Hello all, 'm back, kind of. Picked up Pomme Fritz a few days ago and I'm pretty impressed with it. I especially like "We're pastie to be with you"...but, ummm...what the hell are all the samples? I dunno if any attempt has been made to ID any of the samples, but if no one has, I'll throw in the one I know...when they start talking about "You've just finished a long day of electroshock therapy" is from an commercial parody from Saturday Night Live for Spud Beer. And what's up with all the fast food lines... BTW, I'm not on the list ('cuz AOL's system is sloooooow) so if you have any comments mail e'm back directly to me somewhere... - -Neil knvo@maristb.bitnet ====================================================================== "Always / I want to be with you / and make believe with you / And live in harmony, harmony oh love." -Always, Erasure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Pitblado Subject: Pomme Fritz in the US Date: 07 Aug 1994 21:16:09 -0800 (PDT) When is it coming out domestically? I've only seen it as an import so far, and the store was charging way too much. Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kelly Thomas Money Subject: Re: Pomme Fritz in the US Date: 07 Aug 1994 23:48:48 -0500 (CDT) On Sun, 7 Aug 1994, Jeff Pitblado wrote: > When is it coming out domestically? I've only seen it as an import so far, > and the store was charging way too much. > > Jeff > Its out already - use telenet and go to cdconnection.com - Its all ready to be bought! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccastge@prism.gatech.edu Subject: Re: Pomme Fritz... Date: 08 Aug 1994 09:32:29 -0400 (EDT) > Hello all, 'm back, kind of. Picked up Pomme Fritz a few days ago and > I'm pretty impressed with it. I especially like "We're pastie to be > with you"...but, ummm...what the hell are all the samples? I dunno if You know, the more I hear that track, the more I keep thinking back to John Cage's "random" chance experimental music. I once had a copy of the tribute album to Cage, and returned it after hearing about 15 tracks. It's definitely not music, but seems quite similar to the stuff the Orb are doing right now. > I'll throw in the one I know...when they start talking about "You've > just finished a long day of electroshock therapy" is from an commercial > parody from Saturday Night Live for Spud Beer. Hmm... I've never seen that episode... The first thing that came to my mind when I heard the sample tho was THX-1138 (for all you George Lucas fans out there) - -- ccastge@prism.gatech.edu | All of us get lost in the darkness, a.k.a., Guy Elden Jr. | Dreamers learn to steer by the stars... Neil Peart ---->| All of us do time in the gutter, of RUSH | Dreamers turn to look at the cars... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete Hartman Subject: Re: Re: Pomme Fritz... Date: 08 Aug 1994 10:55:23 -0500 >I once had a copy of the tribute album to Cage, and returned it after >hearing about 15 tracks. It's definitely not music, but seems quite similar >to the stuff the Orb are doing right now. Before this gets out of hand, I'd like to point out that anyone saying "that's definitely not music" really should be less arrogant. One man's noise is another man's meaningful sound, and if it's some kind of meaningful sound then it can usually be classified as music. I'd expect this kind of comment on rec.music.misc (where they have regular flamewars over whether or not rap is music), but not on a mailing list devoted to an innovative band like the orb. (Ok, maybe I would expect it, but I'd like to be optimistic and pretend...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccastge@prism.gatech.edu Subject: Re: Re: Pomme Fritz... Date: 08 Aug 1994 13:06:11 -0400 (EDT) > >I once had a copy of the tribute album to Cage, and returned it after > >hearing about 15 tracks. It's definitely not music, but seems quite similar > >to the stuff the Orb are doing right now. > > Before this gets out of hand, I'd like to point out that anyone saying > "that's definitely not music" really should be less arrogant. One man's > noise is another man's meaningful sound, and if it's some kind of meaningful > sound then it can usually be classified as music. > Ok, then let me clarify: To me, music has to have some sort of constant theme throughout the piece. I suppose if I take it to an extreme, then yes, Cage would be music, because even though the individual parts of his works sound like they're all scattered about, there's always something similar within the piece, be it a voice that's used throughout, or a violin, or something. That's how I think Pastie To Be... sounds. It's got all those samples in it, which forms the commonality in the piece, but it really doesn't seem to go anywhere. I guess my initial impressions were focused on just hearing the samples, and expecting a melody or something else to come in, when it didn't. I also haven't heard the piece all that much, so just take my ramblings with a grain of salt :) - -- ccastge@prism.gatech.edu | All of us get lost in the darkness, a.k.a., Guy Elden Jr. | Dreamers learn to steer by the stars... Neil Peart ---->| All of us do time in the gutter, of RUSH | Dreamers turn to look at the cars... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Day Subject: Pomme Fritz Bashing! Date: 09 Aug 1994 09:35:00 PDT Why are all these people whining about Pomme Fritz, "its not music" etc etc. I'm afraid you all sound a bit too highly strung to me. Smoke some frop, let the slack surface, and enjoy! regards chris dubnobasswithmyheadman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ragle Gumm Subject: Re: Pomme Fritz Bashing! Date: 09 Aug 1994 01:54:06 -0700 I'm tired of whining about Pomme Fritz too. I think it's fantastic. FFWD is really good too. Some people can't understand anything without a dance beat, I suspect. Well, go listen to 2 Unlimited if you need a dance beat, instead of just needing good music with or without a beat. Ragle Gumm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: s499435@dutiws.TWI.TUDelft.NL (J.Landgraf) Subject: FFWD & Woodstock Date: 09 Aug 1994 10:55:25 +0200 (EET DST) Hi there, I've been on vacation for quite a while, so when i got home there was much to read. First thing i noticed was that the orb is stupid, if they are playing at woodstock. It's old and useless. The woodstock-decade is over and out. Let's get a new age. Second i've bought FFWD and it's a little bit boring i think. I know some good stuff like lucky saddle, but it's like they feed nowadays on the name, not the music. (I need to mention i'm not putting down the orb, i'm sad because the way they are going is not the way i like) I thought that they didn't want to go in the eno-stuff, more above like UFOrb, but then again who am i to decide what is good for the orb and what is not. I must notice that i like Pomme Fritz a lot, but that is an old story. For the people who are getting upset by this negative idea about the orb NOW, it's also kind of boring to read 20,000 pages from you about Pomme Fritz & Woodstock only to say it's great. I think if you are only positive about a thing, it's not a living thing like The KLF. For that i want to know if Dr. LX or Trash is also reading this stuff, because for myself it's more usefull that i get some negative mail, so i can get better, then only positive mail, so i can lay down and relax. In short: I Love The Orb & The KLF I'm disappointed in FFWD, it's dead stuff. Be more critical. C U Around. Theo s499435@Tudelft.Twi.NL p.s. Hope to get a interesting discussion from now on. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ragle Gumm Subject: Re: FFWD & Woodstock Date: 09 Aug 1994 02:25:19 -0700 s499435@Tudelft.Twi.NL (Theo) writes: ******** Second i've bought FFWD and it's a little bit boring i think. I know some good stuff like lucky saddle, but it's like they feed nowadays on the name, not the music. ... I thought that they didn't want to go in the eno-stuff, more above like UFOrb, but then again who am i to decide what is good for the orb and what is not. ... In short: I Love The Orb & The KLF I'm disappointed in FFWD, it's dead stuff. Be more critical. ******** Saying something is "dead" or "boring" isn't very critical either, if you take the word "critical" seriously. The thumbs up/thumbs down approach isn't very informative. Also, are you saying that they feed more on the name now than in the days of "A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain That Rules From The Centre Of The Ultraworld"? I don't know that I'd really compare FFWD and Pomme Fritz to Eno. It is, for one thing, not at all relaxing, and doesn't interface with your world, unless your world is something like that in a Phillip K. Dick novel. Much of it is positively chilling sounding, and seems to violate what I thought was a time-honored rule in ambient music: Don't give the drug users in the audience a bad trip. ******** For the people who are getting upset by this negative idea about the orb NOW, it's also kind of boring to read 20,000 pages from you about Pomme Fritz & Woodstock only to say it's great. ******** Maybe you've been reading a different mailing list from the one I get, because it has been a non-stop Woodstock bash around here. Not that I mind; I think Woodstock 94 is the lamest thing to come down the pike since Woodstock 69. I wish the Orb would tour instead. But every time I read my mail, it's somebody griping about Woodchuck. I'd like to see these 20,000 pages of rave reviews. I've also seen a lot of griping about Pomme Fritz from the "it's got a good beat and it's easy to dance to, so I give it a 74" crowd (and others, to be fair). "Lucky Saddle" is a great track; that bass/motorcycle/machine noise really rattled my insides and made me grateful for my new speakers. Ragle Gumm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHAOTIC HOLDER OF ORDER Subject: froop Date: 09 Aug 1994 09:43:46 -0400 (EDT) >From: Chris Day >Why are all these people whining about Pomme Fritz, "its not music" etc etc. >I'm afraid you all sound a bit too highly strung to me. >Smoke some frop, let the slack surface, and enjoy! >regards >chris >dubnobasswithmyheadman at the risk of sounding old fashioned hah whatever what is frop? why do i want to smoke it? to paraphase one of mygods in music, jonathan richman, "i'm straight unlike hippy johnny, frop? and stick my head in the sand like an ostrich?" i think not but any way pomme fritz is not up to par but enjoy it and let the criticism go on gebeaux ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fms@MIT.EDU Subject: Why I like the orb Date: 09 Aug 1994 10:32:11 EDT This recent flurry of conversation has made me pause for a moment to consider why I like the orb and there are a few reasons... I like the orb because their albums presnet a continuous, relatively cohesive, ambient journey. Each song opens up on some new soundscape, each song has new in jokes, each song has surprising bits and familiar bits. I still catch new samples (buried deep in the mix) when I listen on different (better) soundsystems. The orb also pays attention to the inbetwee bits on their albums. There is more song linking oobe and uforb than some bands have on their whole album! At any rate, on to orb single, little bits of the journey cut out and remixed into dance tracks (except for the blue room which is a journey in and of itself of course). I like these tracks because they remind of the album, they make me want to dance, etc... My favorite orb singles are those I can dance to. Pommes Fritz is an orb single (little album indeed) without an album to relate it too...and it's not a dance track. It doesn't fit in to either of the categories of orb music that I like, so I have to give it some time to sink in. I think the songs by themselves are pretty good (like on mix tapes), but the single taken in a single listen, as the moniker the orb's little album would have us believe it is to be taken, is a bit hard to swallow, so to speak. PS does anybody have the lyrics to the song that the orb sample extensively in perpetual dawn (especially the ultrabass versions)? [fletcher] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete Hartman Subject: Re: FFWD & Woodstock Date: 09 Aug 1994 10:33:02 -0500 > Be more critical. Ok: grow up and learn that your tastes are not the be all and end all. Critical listening to music does not preclude thinking "hey that's great". And just because you think FFWD is boring (and you're perfectly entitled to) does not mean that everyone is going to agree with you. Some of us might like it a lot; after all the Pomme Fritz bashing, I'm still looking forward to FFWD despite what others are saying. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rbc III Subject: Re: froop (actually frop) Date: 09 Aug 1994 09:21:56 -0700 (PDT) CHAOTIC HOLDER OF ORDER wrote: > at the risk of sounding old fashioned > hah whatever > what is frop? why do i want to smoke it? > to paraphase one of mygods in music, jonathan richman, > "i'm straight unlike hippy johnny, > frop? and stick my head in the sand like an ostrich?" Pick up a book on The Church of the Subgenius. Bob will save you! > but any way > pomme fritz is not up to par > but enjoy it and let the criticism go on > gebeaux What's "up to par"? C'mon the Orb have no "par". They just fuck around with nice gear and come up with whatever. Alex is the last person on the planet to adhere to a "par". He just wants to frighten you and it's working! Dr. LX is simply operating on your brain waves in preparation for the invasion. He's just had some help from some other expert aural surgeons (Sun Electric & T Fehlman). A little outside influence never hurt anyone. For all you "par" lovers, I'm sure the dub album in the works will be plentiful. - -robert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MLehmann@casmail.calacademy.org (Lehmann, Michal) Subject: Re: Why I like the orb Date: 09 Aug 1994 10:24:28 PST Re:pomme fritz and the "little Album" controversey... ya know... i too find it strange that Orb would release a slab o'wax and call it a "little album" and not give it the qulities of their Big albums... and i DON'T mean to start disin' on the style of the toons... this "Little Album" has more in common with their singles than their albums...on the albums the trax are all mixed together...into one big listening xperience! on the singles each song is given its own space on the platter... Are they stating that on their future albums they will move away from the continuous-track-listening-experience ? I for one certainly hope not! They are the masters at this...they give each track, each song its own sound, feel and identity... and yet the album maintains the feel of one big piece of music... not a bunch of ideas...That is what i look for in Intelligent Music today... that and the layering of sounds and rythms that they do so well...while this rescent piece is fairly complex...it just isn't as catchy as their other digs...but hell... i still rilly like it... can the Orb do no wrong? .......PEACE...out...-M-13 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MLehmann@casmail.calacademy.org (Lehmann, Michal) Subject: Re: froop Date: 09 Aug 1994 10:29:05 PST re: frop ok Pink boy ... go check out the sub genius world and bring sum slack into yer life... do it soon before the X-ists come ... harf! where's the Sub Genius e-mail address? anyone? rev. jessie b drool... UberMensch aus Slak! All Hail ErIs! 23...23...23 -M-13... out!    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) Subject: Re: Why I like the orb Date: 09 Aug 1994 12:55:30 -0500 (CDT) > Are they stating that on their future albums they will > move away from the continuous-track-listening-experience ? I recall reading not that long ago, but before the newer Orb projects (and related projects) that The Orb was going to try to see what they could do with a piece in around 5 minutes or so. I always assumed that by this statement they meant that they were going to try to write shorter pieces. However, maybe they meant that each piece was to be its own story, not just a chapter in the book? I don't think that we should include PF in this though. It seems to me that it is more or a cd single than anything else. If you remember, The Orb stated that they wanted to call it 'a little album' instead of a cd single because the shelf life is longer for a mini album. MC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CAPED CRUSADER Subject: 'perpetual dawn' samples Date: 09 Aug 1994 15:04:25 -0400 (EDT) fletcher writes: >>> does anybody have the lyrics to the song that the orb sample extensively in perpetual dawn (especially the ultrabass versions)? <<< they didn't sample another song, youth hired some sessions vocalists i think. - -r ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fuzzbox@world.std.com (Under The Pink) Subject: Re: Re: Pomme Fritz... Date: 09 Aug 1994 15:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Guy Elden Jr.'s nimble fingers typed: > Ok, then let me clarify: To me, music has to have some sort of constant > theme throughout the piece. I suppose if I take it to an extreme, then yes, > Cage would be music, because even though the individual parts of his works > sound like they're all scattered about, there's always something similar > within the piece, be it a voice that's used throughout, or a violin, or > something. Gee, someone oughta make sure we keep this guy away from John Oswald's PLEXURE- we don't want his brain to explode now, do we? BTW- I like FFWD a lot more than I like Pomme Fritz, but I don't think Pomme Fritz sucks- It's just different... - -- Jason Bilsky- fuzzbox@world.std.com "Whenever I get depressed, though, I watch something like ENEMY GOLD, the greatest movie so far this year that features enormous-breasted undercover federal agents firing off automatic weapons and riding dirtbikes through the East Texas piney woods in search of buried Confederate gold while being hunted by a Bolivian topless-bar-owning cocaine dealer with terrible diction." -Joe Bob Briggs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dino@spectrx.sbay.org (Dean Carlson) Subject: Pomme Fritz with Dope Date: 09 Aug 1994 12:25:39 PDT Anybody who believes music is better while on drugs is doing themsevles and the musicians a great disservice. And _Pomme Fritz_ is definitely music. Dean - -- dino@spectrx.sbay.org (Dean Carlson) SPECTROX SYSTEMS +1.408.252.1005 Cupertino, Ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Evans Subject: Re: Pomme Fritz with Dope Date: 09 Aug 1994 16:29:59 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 9 Aug 1994, Dean Carlson wrote: > > Anybody who believes music is better while on drugs is doing themsevles > and the musicians a great disservice. > > > > And _Pomme Fritz_ is definitely music. > > Anyone who is this naive and close-minded about drugs exhibits limited intelligence. I'm not arguing that music is or isn't better, because that would be stupid for any number of reasons. But first of all, if a given person enjoys music more under the influence, then that pretty much meets the definition of better.... if another person enjoys music more without drugs, then that meets the definiton of better. In other words, it's all a matter of personal preference. It's just like whether or not you should put ketchup on a hamburger or not; some will argue that it is ruining perfectly good meat; others will say that hamburger is no good without it. It's an incredibly stupid argument. Personally I think that the Orb is incredibly musical and they are great when I'm perfectly sober. However, there music definately meets my definition of trippy, and exceeds it, and things that are "trippy" or psychedelic can be orgasmic if you enjoy psychedelic drugs... if you don't want to do them, or don't enjoy them, that's fine with me, but I'm not going to tell you you are wrong for not doing them, so don't tell me I'm wrong if I do do them. - - John ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ragle Gumm Subject: Re: Why I like the orb Date: 09 Aug 1994 15:47:48 -0700 MLehmann@casmail.calacademy.org (Lehmann, Michal) writes: ********* Are they stating that on their future albums they will move away from the continuous-track-listening-experience ? I for one certainly hope not! They are the masters at this...they give each track, each song its own sound, feel and identity... and yet the album maintains the feel of one big piece of music. ********* I agree. I hope they don't give up on the "continuous-track-listening-e experience". That's one criticism I have about Pomme Fritz. It's cohesive enough, because of the thematic links between the tracks, the repeating motifs and so on, but I do miss that album long journey through sound feel. Ragle Gumm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cspot@netcom.com (Chris.Hilker) Subject: Re: Pomme Fritz with Dope Date: 09 Aug 1994 16:03:12 -0700 (PDT) > Anybody who believes music is better while on drugs is doing themsevles >and the musicians a great disservice. I'm *sure* Alex and Thrash agree with you. Whatever. C. - -- Channel ** cspot/chris [cspot@netcom.com] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: Pomme Fritz with Dope Date: 09 Aug 1994 19:08:58 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 9 Aug 1994, Dean Carlson wrote: > Anybody who believes music is better while on drugs is doing > themsevles and the musicians a great disservice. By answering this I probably risk igniting an interminable flamewar, but you're really only speaking for yourself here. Considering how open LX and Thrash are about their marijuana use, I find your statement curious. ====================================================================== dave walker, detroit art services _ marmoset@msen.com freeke to be you and me Dave Walker ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jon@opcode.com (Jon Drukman) Subject: Re: Pomme Fritz with Dope Date: 09 Aug 1994 13:53:29 PDT RE>Pomme Fritz with Dope Dean Carlson opines: >Anybody who believes music is better while on drugs is doing themsevles >and the musicians a great disservice. i think you had better let the musicians decide that. anybody who wants to listen to my album while blitzed is more than welcome to. >And _Pomme Fritz_ is definitely music. no argument there. /j/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lucifer Sam Subject: Re: Re: Pomme Fritz... Date: 09 Aug 1994 17:33:41 -0700 (PDT) On Tue, 9 Aug 1994, Under The Pink wrote: > BTW- I like FFWD a lot more than I like Pomme Fritz, but I don't > think Pomme Fritz sucks- It's just different... Forgive me if this has already been asked, but are there any plans for a U.S. release of FFWD? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Hostetler Subject: FFWD Date: 09 Aug 1994 20:53:47 -0500 (EST) I'm in the middle of putting a slew of FFWD samples on hyperreal.com. It's going REAL SLOW, but I have faith that it will work out (am I high or what!?). See it/hear it/lick it at : http://hyperreal.com/pub/incoming/ffwd/FFWD In the past 40 minutes, I've managed to get the .html there + 2 of the 6 or so sound samples. It's 9pm, my time. Enjoy! - -- Brian Hostetler http://sparrow.bio.indiana.edu/brian/me '...most of it is radical hip drug culture overload. Obviously, the first thing to do is set up some simple methodology and see if you can't study the experiences under control laboratory conditions.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Hostetler Subject: FFWD Date: 09 Aug 1994 21:06:34 -0500 (EST) Fuck everything I just said. Just forget it. You'll find the FFWD stuff here: http://sparrow.bio.indiana.edu/brian/ffwd.html DON'T go to hyperreal.com looking for them. And please don't access Sparrow during working hours--we do valuable work here, unlike you!! ob:) - -- Brian Hostetler http://sparrow.bio.indiana.edu/brian/me '...most of it is radical hip drug culture overload. Obviously, the first thing to do is set up some simple methodology and see if you can't study the experiences under control laboratory conditions.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Day Subject: Pomme Fritz (again) - "not a dance track" Date: 10 Aug 1994 09:26:00 PDT Surely it depends on how you dance as to whether it's a "dance track"? And by the way "BOB!" listens to the Orb, and if he listens to it then it's got to be good. Maybe these people who don't like Pomme Fritz are "NORMALS" in disguise? regards chris dubnobasswithmyheadman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Cowen Subject: Re: Pomme Fritz (again) Date: 10 Aug 1994 4:18:14 CDT > And by the way "BOB!" listens to the Orb, and if he listens to it then it's > got to be good. > > Maybe these people who don't like Pomme Fritz are "NORMALS" in disguise? Oh, cripes. This ain't bloody alt.slack, so take yr pinkboy shenanigans elsewhere. The only slack on Pommes Fritz is the sound of LX & Kris slacking off instead of making something decent. Those boys have more talent than to just sit at the ultra-harmonizer and swing samples around. I do like Immortal Logness, tho...makes me feel like I'm at Santa's Village riding the carousel. Whoo! On a serious note, I picked up FFWD today. Real slow and Frippy. Not bad, I like it -- as far as straight no-beat ambient. It's a better bet than PF. I'm waiting real anxiously for that dub album tho...neither PF or FFWD have latched onto me like, well, everything else the Orb has done has. > and before I forget, has anyone else out there listened to the > "DIVINATION" LP(s) by Bill Laswell et al? Ambient Dub Volume One was a bit of a stinker, Dead Slow was nice. Pick up a Praxis album (except 1984) if you want to hear some real funky Bill Laswell shit, tho...or early Material (pre-One Down) - -- esch@mixcom.com 2609cowend@vms.csd.mu.edu (Eschatfische.) ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B.Purvis" Subject: Orb remixes on AO records Date: 10 Aug 1994 10:44:20 +0100 In the uk a new ambient label has started up, the first release being Orb remixes of the Saxophonettes 'Secret Squirrel', then a couple of weeks ago they released two 12"s of Suzuki's 'Satellite Serenade' with 2 orb remixes 'Transasian-express mix' and 'Transasian dub mix'. The 12" I had from a previous release only featured the first mix. I just wondered whether this stuff was available in the US and whether the second Satellite Serenade remix has always been available. Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paul.geronca@support.com Subject: RE: FFWD & WOODSTOCK Date: 10 Aug 1994 01:37:13 -0700 On the subject of The New Orb, Ragle Gumm said: > Much of it is positively chilling sounding, and seems > to violate what I thought was a time-honored rule in ambient music: > Don't give the drug users in the audience a bad trip. WHY NOT? We simply cannot thrive forever on happy, mellow psychedelic music, because then we would turn into cheezy Yanni-heads given a few more years. Sometimes I actually dig scary "ambient" (that is, music without obvious direction and predictable chord changes) simply because it provokes more thought than something more trite. While we're at it, could Skinny Puppy be placed into the ambient category? What about early Throbbing Gristle, John Cage's composed music for transistor radios, and Negativland overlaid on top of a warbling synth tone? - ---- milk weed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete Hartman Subject: Re: Pomme Fritz with Dope Date: 10 Aug 1994 10:13:19 -0500 > Anybody who believes music is better while on drugs is doing themsevles >and the musicians a great disservice. Anybody who believes that music is not a completely new and amazing experience while on drugs is doing themselves and musicians who create their music for those states a great disservice. And if you think that the Orb's music is not targeted even a little at people on drugs, you need your head examined. That's not to say I recommend drugs without reservation, but they have their places and can make a pretty significant impact. > And _Pomme Fritz_ is definitely music. I couldn't agree more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete Hartman Subject: Re: Orb/Frop/LX/etc. Date: 10 Aug 1994 10:18:00 -0500 >and before I forget, has anyone else out there listened to the "DIVINATION" >LP(s) by Bill Laswell et al? I like them very much; at times they remind me of Blue Room (especially on the one with Jah Wobble), and at other times it's just nice quiet stuff. I'm really motivated to try to pick up the Pete Namlook/Bill Laswell co-project.... Just so this stays orb-related, I bought Trance Europe Express last night and listened to Lucky Saddle. It left me kinda flat; people complaining about random noises on Pomme Fritz shouldn't listen to this, it seemed pretty haphazard to me, and I *could* pick out threads on Pomme Fritz. Any indication about how much it resembles the FFWD album? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: barkerc@GRAPHICS.CS.NYU.EDU (Chris Barker) Subject: slack/drugs/FFWD $.02 Date: 10 Aug 1994 11:52:13 EDT Wow, I feel like I'm in my freshman dorm years listening to all the BOB talk and the scintelating (sp?) debate about wether or not drugs enhance music. Not that it matters, but I quit doing drugs before the Orb began to put out music, and I still like to trip on their music. This debate does nothing but waste bandwidth, so the potheads in the audience can (and will inevitably) lay back and chill and hopefully the anti drug folks will tolerate. I dont really care what you do in your own house/club/whatever. So having vented that.... FFWD is a good buy if you dig the Frippy sound, which I do. The fun of these albums for me has been turning my girlfriend on to the Orb from Spanish Castles (original mix still rules) to Pomme Fritz. She does the Tokyo Hip Hop scene so she doesnt get much exposure to the chill core sound. Although I did meet some Orb heads the last time I was in Tokyo they seem to be fewer and far inbetween than here in New York. I'm also looking forward to the dub album. Anyone here lke the Adrian Sherwood dub sound? Prince Far I, Tack>> Head, Dub Syndicate, African Headcharge? Some of it feels like Orb flavor. Chris Barker barkerc@graphics.cs.nyu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fletcher Subject: Re: Pomme Fritz with Dope Date: 10 Aug 1994 12:05:41 EDT >> And _Pomme Fritz_ is definitely music. > I couldn't agree more. I've seen about 10 posts with this agreement that Pommes Fritz is music but nobody specifies if they think that the title track, the long vaguely dubby trance track and the remixes of it, are music, or if they are actually referring to the two screwed up vocal tracks who's musical nature I would tend to question. In any case, since the title track is obviously music, I assume that people are arguing about the vocal tracks. I must say that they are music simply because they are presented as such (clearly it is the orb's intent to present these songs as music), much as I consider the introduction of Towers of Dub to be music simply because it is tacked on to the beginning of a music track. As music, however, I don't feel that they bear up to repeated listenings, they are concept tracks, and concept tracks are often 'neat' the first time you hear them but get tired after a while. They remind me of the tracks on orbital's brown album. Input Out and Time Becomes a Loop, both these tracks were really cool the first time I heard them, but now I always skip them and go on to the musical tracks on the album. Actually, they remind me of Revoulution No. 9 (or whatever it's called) by the Beatles as well, a track that is interesting once or twice, and no doubt very intresting in altered states, but get's pretty tired after a while. [fletcher] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: helt2329@nova.gmi.edu ( styLEN) Subject: Pay-Per-View Date: 10 Aug 1994 12:33:45 EDT So what is up with the Pay-Per-View for Woodstock this weekend? Will the Orb actually be televised or are they performing on a side-show? Just wondering if anyone has some inside knowledge. I would hate to spend the money to watch a Metallica performance. styLEN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lucifer Sam Subject: Re: Orb/Frop/LX/etc. Date: 10 Aug 1994 10:00:03 -0700 (PDT) On Wed, 10 Aug 1994, Chris Day wrote: > and before I forget, has anyone else out there listened to the "DIVINATION" > LP(s) by Bill Laswell et al? The first one was kind of dull. The second is supposed to be much better, but after the first one I want to hear it before I buy it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlester@thesis1.med.uth.tmc.edu (Bill Lester) Subject: Re: Pomme Fritz with Dope Date: 10 Aug 1994 12:48:54 -0500 >Personally I think that the Orb is incredibly musical and they are great >when I'm perfectly sober. However, there music definately meets my >definition of trippy, and exceeds it, and things that are "trippy" or >psychedelic can be orgasmic if you enjoy psychedelic drugs... if you >don't want to do them, or don't enjoy them, that's fine with me, but I'm >not going to tell you you are wrong for not doing them, so don't tell me >I'm wrong if I do do them. > >- >John DITTO! Nuf said! - -wlester __________________________________________________ Bill Lester, MS II The University of Texas Medical School at Houston ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Susie Kameny Subject: Re: Pay-Per-View Date: 10 Aug 1994 17:50:48 -700 (PDT) i called my local cable company and they had no idea if 1. side stages would be covered and 2. if the orb were going to becovered...and they offered me no help towards finding this answer....*help* susie(: p.s. viacom sucks On Wed, 10 Aug 1994, styLEN wrote: > > So what is up with the Pay-Per-View for Woodstock this weekend? Will the Orb > > actually be televised or are they performing on a side-show? Just wondering > > if anyone has some inside knowledge. I would hate to spend the money to > > watch a Metallica performance. > > styLEN >  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ragle Gumm Subject: RE: FFWD & WOODSTOCK Date: 10 Aug 1994 22:21:10 -0700 paul.geronca@support.com (milk [CR] weed) writes: ****** WHY NOT? We simply cannot thrive forever on happy, mellow psychedelic music, because then we would turn into cheezy Yanni-heads given a few more years. Sometimes I actually dig scary "ambient" (that is, music without obvious direction and predictable chord changes) simply because it provokes more thought than something more trite. ****** I'm not sure if your use of caps in "why not" indicates disagreement with what I said, so just in case, I'll clarify. When I said: > Much of it is positively chilling sounding, and seems > to violate what I thought was a time-honored rule in ambient music: > Don't give the drug users in the audience a bad trip. I meant that as praise. I couldn't agree more with you, although I'll add that my fondness for more "inaccessible" music stems from aesthetic considerations rather than considerations of "thought provoking". Yurs, Ragle Gumm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Arthur Breitkreuz Subject: orb and F5 Date: 11 Aug 1994 00:59:53 -0500 (CDT) i'm actually a bigger fortran 5 fan than orb fan, but when i read the description of this list before i joined it said the purpose was to discuss the orb, fortran 5 and related. the orb is great f5 are great - i had nothing to lose. i have one question... how are the orb and fortran 5 related? i know that the orb remixed fortran 5's track groove in 1991 and they both produce ambient music... are there any other similarities or common threads? interesting note - the credits on the orb mix (titled 'the herbal supper mix') of groove read as follows... groove 'the herbal supper mix' main course and measures of madness mixed mingled merged and manhandled by THRASH. side orders and second helpings singularly served supplied and satisfied by the portion master DR ALEX PATTERSON. desert and afters by the decidedly slinky stupidly sexy senile seductress PEPE (thanx you little savoury sausage). question: who's PEPE? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dino@spectrx.sbay.org (Dean Carlson) Subject: Re: Pomme Fritz with Dope Date: 11 Aug 1994 00:03:12 PDT cspot@netcom.com (Chris.Hilker) writes: > > Anybody who believes music is better while on drugs is doing themsevl > >and the musicians a great disservice. > > I'm *sure* Alex and Thrash agree with you. Whatever. I realize this. Still, what would be a bigger compliment to them? Someone coming up and saying "Wow, man. Your music is freaken' cool when I'm baked." or someone walking up and saying, "Your music is so incredible that it takes me to other worlds with nothing but the music itself." I know it sounds overly-fundamental to spew You Don't Need Drugs To Enjoy Music - especially concerning ambient/trance music. That is not my intent. I _am_ very idealistc when it comes to art, though. Didn't mean to start a tirade here, just thought a differing viewpoint needed to be said. Dean - -- dino@spectrx.sbay.org (Dean Carlson) SPECTROX SYSTEMS +1.408.252.1005 Cupertino, Ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David K. Collins" Subject: I'M BAAAAACK! Date: 11 Aug 1994 02:05:35 -0500 (CDT) Hey ev-body, its me, Chris Clarke, I'm back on the list! ok,ok so most of you don't remember or care, but... QUESTIONS: Is DAVE, the mail-order guy still around? I moved to Winnipeg, Manitoba, CANADA (ie. nowhere'svill) and the only copy of FFWD is 40 bux. Any mail-order people out there? Can tou please mail me with a price and ordering procedures. Can someone tell me what the listing for the Kichi Suzuki CD. I already have the BLUE VINYL,W!MrM version and want to know what is on this and how good it is. Does anyone know why Designers Republic aren't doin the design for the Island releases? I mean is it a label thing or are the orb no longer interested in that portrayal of themselves. the Pommes outside cover looks pretty fab, even if it does take a stretch of the imagination to see the construction spelling out ORB, but the inside cyan blue design is pure shit (wow, look what I can do with graphix software!) Is FFWD going US and/or CAN domestic? I've seen the question asked, but not answered. How about the Juno Reactor album. I saw that in the store for 42 bux (CD). What is it like and can I mail-order that one? Finally, can someone list all orb-related releases and soon-to-be's since Pommes so I can start to catch up? Is there anyone enlisted to the Huge Evergrowing Orb Posse (or are the Posse Principals part of this list?)? I'm wondering what they offer (ie. newsletters, t-shirts, etc). I've sent letters and IRC's to the UK Leamington Spa address, but have never received any info from them. thanks gillions, ev-body than-kyu chris clarke ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: I'M BAAAAACK! Date: 11 Aug 1994 08:56:22 -0600 (MDT) > Is DAVE, the mail-order guy still around? Yes. Email ear-rational@xmission.com with CATALOG as the subject and you'll get his latest listing. He'll also order stuff for you that's not in the catalog (does it for me all the time), so if you don't see something you want, let him know. He's been very good to both the KLF and Orb lists by letting us pre-order imports, etc. - -- Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ====================================================================== "Techno techno bloody *techno*, darling!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BRAD SHELTON <941SHELTON@MERLIN.NLU.EDU> Subject: re: Pomme Fritz with Dope Date: 11 Aug 1994 12:51:01 -0500 (CDT) Dean Wrote: > Anybody who believes music is better while on drugs is doing > themselves and the musicians a great diservice. I strongly agree. Brad. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FMCAMPO@delphi.com Subject: Pommes Fritz w/Dope...one more time Date: 11 Aug 1994 14:15:55 -0400 (EDT) I don't see why everyone is making such a big fuss about this issue. I'm sure everyone would agree that the Orb is great to listen to whether you're stoned or not. Probably about 1 in 5 times that I'm listening to one of my Orb cd's , I'm high. It just isn't a big deal. The guys from the Orb are very open about their marijuana use. This doesn't mean that everybody who smokes pot is right and everyone else is wrong, it's just something you do. We don't need to divide into factions of those who do and those who don't. Let's try to have a more significant discussion about the Orb than this. We shouldn't have discussions where one side is trying to be judgemental. Try to have an open mind(if you listen to the Orb, you've got a good start;) ) If it doesn't intrude upon your well-being, LEAVE IT ALONE. Just my 2 cents worth MikeM.C.---fmcampo@delphi.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jon@opcode.com (Jon Drukman) Subject: Re: I'M BAAAAACK! Date: 11 Aug 1994 10:30:04 PDT RE>I'M BAAAAACK! >Does anyone know why Designers Republic aren't doin the design for the >Island releases? I mean is it a label thing or are the orb no longer >interested in that portrayal of themselves. i would guess the latter. > the Pommes outside cover >looks pretty fab, even if it does take a stretch of the imagination to see >the construction spelling out ORB, but the inside cyan blue design is pure >shit (wow, look what I can do with graphix software!) huh. i thought it was great. in fact, i thought the whole package was great and MUCH better than designer's republic, which has become a total self-parody lately. /j/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fletcher Subject: Re: orb and F5 Date: 11 Aug 1994 14:19:26 EDT I am also a strong Fortran 5 and System 7 fan, though I wouldn't say I like them more than the orb, just differently. Fortran 5 and the orb are related because Thrash did production work for them on their album Blues. He wasn't involved on their newer album Bad Head Park though. It's a fairly tenuous connection really. System 7 is more closely linked, but again Thrash and LX didn't really do much with Hillage and Giraudy on their newer album. Though Hillage and Giraudy did work with the orb on quite a few tracks on the Ultraworld... album. I'm not sure who pepe is... [fletcher] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Evans Subject: Re: Pommes Fritz w/Dope...one more time Date: 11 Aug 1994 14:50:23 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 11 Aug 1994 FMCAMPO@delphi.com wrote: > If it doesn't intrude upon your well-being, LEAVE IT ALONE. > > Just my 2 cents worth > > MikeM.C.---fmcampo@delphi.com VERY well put. - - John ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: garth colasurdo Subject: Coldcut, Ultrabase, and others Date: 11 Aug 1994 13:50:40 -0600 (MDT) I have a few questions for those folks on the re-mix tip. What is the Coldcut mix of Little Fluffy Clouds like? I read, somewhere in the archives that it wasn't a particular favorite mix by the Orb. I'm somewhat familliar with Coldcut's work, I'd like to hear it some time. Listening to Perpetual Dawn re-mixes, though I like them, In Ultrabass I it seems that some of the elements (musical) get lost in the mix- as opposed to woven in like most Orb elements. I don't remember who specifcally did the re-mixes (Youth?), but has anyone noticed that someof the elements seem akward. I only picked this up in a couple of spots. Is this a similar problem with the afore mentioned Coldcut mix? Has anyone listened to Supernova at the end of the Rainbow? Supernova is probably in my top 20 all time *everything* and I am interested in this re-work. Got the scoop, trade a tape? As far as Pommies Fritz goes, I like it more with each listing, however the thing that puts me off (a little) is the construction of the songs. I associate the Orb with the "all over" effect in thier music, to borrow a modern painter's term, Pommies Fritz seems much more, well, object oriented, musical elements placed in the forefront. Sound close to your interpretation? Not quite? Its different alright. Blah blah blah, dig? Colanut ====================================================================== http://www.unm.edu/~colanut/Yoda's_Bog.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles@loki.ksc.nasa.gov (Charles Edward Patisaul) Subject: Re: I'M BAAAAACK! Date: 11 Aug 1994 15:53:18 EDT When we last heard, Jon Drukman wrote: > huh. i thought it was great. in fact, i thought the whole package was > great and MUCH better than designer's republic, which has become a total > self-parody lately. Hmm, this strikes me as odd feeling on this list. As much as how people have been talking about the "in jokes" that Orb tends to use, and the talk of the Church of the SubGenius, these seem to all be self-parodies. Reminds me of how, at the end, the KLF were sampling themselves... I actually throughly enjoy self-parody when it's done well, and the Designer's Republic do it the best. Was "Sissy" the doll that would kill you, I forget, anyway the whole thing is great. "We are all just advertisements, for a version of ourselves" -David Byrne (or a quote darned similar, don't nail me if that's off a bit) - -- Charles E. Patisaul charles@loki.ksc.nasa.gov KSC, Florida USA _____ GE (!)d- h/braid s g- p2 au+0 a- w+ v-?* C+ UVS+(++++) P+ L-@ 3-@ E@ |\ /| 2.1 N+ K+++ W+ M+@(-) V-- -po+ Y+ t+@ 5+(++) j R G++/---- tv+@ b+ | O | D++ B e+* u+* h f+ r++(+++) n- y? |/_\| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LIVINGSTONM@delphi.com Subject: Re: orb and F5 Date: 11 Aug 1994 16:37:54 -0400 (EDT) >System 7 is more closely linked, but again Thrash and LX didn't really >do much with Hillage and Giraudy on their newer album. Can you tell me the name of the "newer" System 7 album? M ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fletcher Subject: Re: orb and F5 Date: 11 Aug 1994 16:48:06 EDT First, I put the relevant bit of the orb discography at the end of the message, so you can get the track listings and so on. In short, there were two albums, one released in the US with a shell on the cover and released in the UK with a different cover and the other released only in the UK with a green cover that said System 7 and 777 in wavy water like letters. Sorry this is so terse but I have to run and pick up a pizza and I'm working on a vt 131 so I don't have remarkable editing capabilities... [fletcher] [discography excerpt] ====================================================================== ::: System 7 (aka 777) ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ====================================================================== System 7: Sunburst single [Nov 1990] 12": 1990 UK (Ten Records SYS 7) 7:38 Sunburst (funk mix) 7:55 Sunburst (flutter mix) 12": 1990 UK (Ten Records TENX 355) 7:55 Sunburst (flutter mix) 7:55 Sunburst (paradise mix) [These are the same mix (?)] ====================================================================== System 7: Miracle promo single [1991] 12": 1991 UK (Ten Records TENDJ 381) [clear vinyl/clear sleeve promo] Miracle (orb remix) Mia (ultraworld colony mix) Sunburst (seahorse mix) 12": 1991 UK (Ten Records....) [black-vinyl promo] ====================================================================== System 7: System 7 album [23 Sep 1991] [Released in the US as "777" by 777] 2xLP: 1991 UK (Ten Records DIXG 102) CS: 1991 UK (Ten Records CDIX 102) CD: 1991 UK (Ten Records DIXCD 102) 7:25 Sunburst 5:21 Freedom Fighters 6:10 Habibi 5:59 Altitude 7:27 Bon Humeur 2:09 Fractal Liaison 5:53 Dog 2:26 Thunderdog 6:24 Listen 6:36 Strange Quotations 7:09 Miracle 3:28 Over and Out 2xLP: 1992 US (Caroline...) [Aug 1992] CD: 1992 US (Caroline CAROL 1727-2) 7:12 Sunburst (seahorse mix) 6:29 Miracle (orb remix) 7:33 Depth Disco 5:56 Altitude 6:07 Habibi 6:15 Strange Quotations 6:57 Bon Humeur 5:17 Freedom Fighters 5:53 Dog 2:22 Thunderdog 6:22 Listen 2:08 Fractal Liason 3:26 Over And Out 6:07 Mia (the fisherman mix) [Released as "777" by 777.] ====================================================================== System 7: Habibi single [28 Oct 1991] 7": 1991 UK (Ten Records TEN 385) 3:56 Habibi (7" edit) 5:35 Miracle [Orb] 12": 1991 UK (Ten Records TEN X 385: +promo TENXDJ385) CD5: 1991 UK (Ten Records TEN CD 385) 10:26 Habibi (another world mix) [Robin Hancock/Hein Hoven] 5:35 Miracle [Orb] 3:56 Habibi (7" edit) [CD tracks as 7"/Another World/Miracle] 12": 1991 UK (Ten Records TEN Y 385) [4 Nov 1991] 6:07 Habibi (tex mix) [Robin Hancock/Hein Hoven] 4:45 Habibi (legian beach mix) [Robin Hancock/Hein Hoven] 8:20 Mia (ultraworld colony mix) [Alex Paterson (Orb)] ====================================================================== System 7: Strange Quotations promo single [1991] 12": 1991 UK (Ten Records ) [promo] ====================================================================== System 7: Freedom Fighters single [3 Feb 1992] 7": 1992 UK (Ten Records TEN 394: ps) Freedom Fighters Depth Disco 12": 1992 UK (Ten Records TENX 394) Freedom Fighters (praying by the sea) [Robin Hancock] Freedom Fighters (new style extended 12" mix) Depth Disco (extended mix) Freedom Fighters (freedom void mix) CD5: 1992 UK (Ten Records TENCD 394) Freedom Fighters (new style edit) Freedom Fighters (praying by the sea) [Robin Hancock] Freedom Fighters (freedom void mix) Depth Disco (extended mix) CD5: 1992 UK (Ten Records TENCX 394) [10 Feb 1992] 3:56 Freedom Fighters (new style edit) [Robin Hancock] 7:20 Freedom Fighters (praying by the sea) [Robin Hancock] 10:30 Mia (fisherman mix) [Hillage/Paterson] 3:13 Depth Disco (extended mix) [Hillage/Tyrell] [limited edition, unique collector's sleeve] 12": 1991 UK (Ten Records TENXDJ 394) [promo] Freedom Fighters (praying by the sea) [Robin Hancock] Freedom Fighters (new style extended 12" mix) Depth Disco (extended mix) 12": 1992 UK (Ten Records SYSDJ 7) [promo] ["Depth Disco"] ====================================================================== System 7: Altitude single [1992] 2x12": 1992 UK (Ten Records TENG 403) Altitude (Paradox) (deep mix) Altitude (Paradox) (derrick may's club mix) Altitude (Paradox) (life is a paradox mix) Altitude (Paradox) (ultrapella) Altitude (screamer mix) [Moody Boys featuring Screamer] Altitude (screamer mix instrumental) Altitude (orb tour mix) Altitude (album mix) [Paradox mixes include vox by Ultra Nate'] ====================================================================== System 7: 7:7 Expansion single [18 Jan 1993] 12": 1993 UK (Big Life/Butterfly BLFT 2) CD5: 1993 UK (Big Life/Butterfly BLFD 2) 3:39 7:7 Expansion (conspiracy edit) 10:02 7:7 Expansion (conspiracy mix) 6:47 7:7 Expansion (nutritious mix) 10:10 7:7 Expansion (double edged sword mix) 12": 1993 UK (Big Life SYSTEM PROMO 1) [promo] ====================================================================== System 7: 777 album [Mar 1993] 2xLP: 1993 UK (WAU Records/Big Life BFL LP 1) CD: 1993 UK (WAU Records/Big Life BFL CD 1) 9:30 7-7 Expansion 8:18 A Cool Dry Place [mix by the orb] 7:46 Desir (ghost mix) 7:33 On The Seventh Night 8:02 Sinbad 9:46 Ship Of The Desert 7:21 Faydeaudeau ====================================================================== System 7: Sinbad/Desir single [Mar 1993] 12": 1993 UK (WAU Records/Big Life SYSTEM SAMPLER 1) [promo/green vinyl] Sinbad Desir [Labeled 45rpm, plays 33] ====================================================================== System 7: Sinbad/Quest single [5 Jul 1993] 12": 1993 UK (Weird & Unconventional/Big Life BFLT 8) 5:51 Sinbad (7th voyage of sinbad) [Tony Thorpe] 6:43 Quest (moon mix) 8:31 Quest (moody boys interpretation) [Tony Thorpe] 12": 1993 UK (Big Life PROMO 8) [blue vinyl promo] CD5: 1993 UK (Butterfly/Big Life BFLD 8) 3:49 Sinbad (bandit edit) 8:31 Quest (moody boys interpretation) [Tony Thorpe] 5:51 Sinbad (7th voyage of sinbad) [Tony Thorpe] 6:43 Quest (moon mix) [promo: 7th/bandit/moody/moon] ====================================================================== [end of discography excerpt] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FMCAMPO@delphi.com Subject: Mental Sport Remixes...? Date: 11 Aug 1994 20:40:32 -0400 (EDT) I was browsing at cd's in Tower Records today and found a copy of Harumi Hosono's(?) Mental Sport Remixes. I never really paid attention to what was said about it. Is it a good album? Is it rare? Any help is appreciated. MikeM.C.---fmcampo@delphi.com--- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Cowen Subject: Re: Mental Sport Remixes...? Date: 11 Aug 1994 23:18:53 CDT > I was browsing at cd's in Tower Records today and found a copy of > Harumi Hosono's(?) Mental Sport Remixes. I never really paid attention > to what was said about it. Is it a good album? Is it rare? Any help is > appreciated. Rare? Naah. Look on the back -- you probably found a domestic Sony music copy. Good? I like it...it's probably the best of the remix album genre. The Orb mix is good -- clunky but trancey, and the Graham Massey mixes are great (if yr an 808 State fan). It's not the dissapointment Hi Tech/No Crime was. I paid 8 bux for it. It's certainly worth that, but I'd think twice about paying $17... -- esch@mixcom.com 2609cowend@vms.csd.mu.edu (Eschatfische.) ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stutch@netcom.com (stutch) Subject: assassin Date: 11 Aug 1994 23:11:45 -0700 Imagine my surprise that Tower has assassin for $3.99 @ it's 3rd st. outlet in SF. I recall paying far more than that a couple a years ago @ Tower on sunset in LALA. Not so rare @ all Bob Stutch Dog&Pony SF CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David K. Collins" Subject: Sample List? Date: 12 Aug 1994 02:18:14 -0500 (CDT) I was just checkin out the sample list and realized that it is something like a tear and a half old! So I tried mailing Richard Karty - he aint there. So the question of the day is: Is anyone keeping an updated list of orb-samples? I would very much like to see something current. Does anyone else share the same interest? I would keep up the ddatabase do it but my knowledge of these ftp systems is drastically limited. If anyone is keeping track, I have an addition: SYSTEM 7: Sunburst (I think the mix on the US the US version of the first album) The "I love you daddy" comes from Molly Ringwald in Pretty In Pink. ***I am fairly certain, and others seem to think so, but this is not 100% for sure****** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "MICHAEL COUSINS, TEL (0232) 89 4383" Subject: Juno Reactor & LX : Luciana Date: 12 Aug 1994 9:22:28 +0100 (BST) Hi, Anyone have any strong feelings on the 'new' Juno Reactor album (with tweakings by the man himself) ??? I was really looking forward to it coz I really like Juno Reactor 'Transmissions' , BUT there is very little to this album. It's an hour long song in which nothing really happens. There's a slow chugging noise through (nearly) the whole thing, a few Juno Reactor-y sounds, and a bit of annoying vocal about half way through (that's about all). In saying that, I quite like it. It's good if you want to sit back and have your head done in for an hour. I just thought it was a bit disappointing. It should have been a single, and they could've achieved the same effect in 10-15 mins. Anyone else like/loath it? Mike. PS: On the current debates of Pomme Fritx and drugs, my standings are: PF : It DOES grow on you the more you hear it (especially the pastie one) PERSEVERE! Drugs : Quit moaning about what other people want to do with themselves. I can take'em or leave em ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Susie Kameny Subject: Re: assassin Date: 12 Aug 1994 01:43:44 -700 (PDT) yeah but it didn'thavethe sticker in it....*doesn't everyone have the mint green orb sticker proudly displayed somewhere...??? * cindy and were goingto buy it....but it had no sticker...wow...i have touched the same cd that you have....have a nice day...susie (: On Thu, 11 Aug 1994, stutch wrote: > Imagine my surprise that Tower has assassin for $3.99 @ it's 3rd st. outlet > in SF. > I recall paying far more than that a couple a years ago @ Tower on sunset > in LALA. > Not so rare @ all > > Bob Stutch > Dog&Pony > SF CA > > >  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LIVINGSTONM@delphi.com Subject: Re: orb and F5 Date: 12 Aug 1994 09:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Thanks for the list. I do have both the Caroline '777' CD and the W and U System 7 CD. I WAS hoping that there was another System 7 offering. Anyone have any news? Do our friends in the UK have some info? M ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Thomas Subject: RaveStock(tm)? Date: 12 Aug 1994 11:49:15 -0700 Is anyone from the list actually going? It would be kinda cool to get some reports since it's likely to be pretty much ignored by the media. I'm curious if the Orb will play at all given the reports of the cancelations of the warmup gigs... Andy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alf@ee.pdx.edu Subject: Re: Juno Reactor & LX : Luciana Date: 12 Aug 1994 13:44:01 PDT "MICHAEL COUSINS, TEL (0232) 89 4383" writes: >Anyone have any strong feelings on the 'new' Juno Reactor album (with >tweakings by the man himself) ??? >I was really looking forward to it coz I really like Juno Reactor >'Transmissions' , BUT there is very little to this album. >It's an hour long song in which nothing really happens. >There's a slow chugging noise through (nearly) the whole thing, >a few Juno Reactor-y sounds, and a bit of annoying vocal about half way throug >(that's about all). > >In saying that, I quite like it. It's good if you want to sit back and >have your head done in for an hour. I just thought it was a bit >disappointing. It should have been a single, and they could've >achieved the same effect in 10-15 mins. > >Anyone else like/loath it? Pretty much the same sentiments here. I enjoy it, but it is a bit repetitive and drawn-out. Something I'll come home, turn on all the black-lights, and just veg too... :) Ciao, /\nthony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Hostetler Subject: Sample List? (fwd) Date: 12 Aug 1994 15:51:15 -0500 (EST) David K. Collins said: > I was just checkin out the sample list and realized that it is something > like a tear and a half old! So I tried mailing Richard Karty - he aint Ah, somebody has something better to do with their time ;) What about that sample on the Peel Sessions. Either track 2 or 3 has something from Star Trek: "Jim, this isn't real. Get back in the simulator." That cracks me up :). I'm not a 'Trek fan, but I'd almost want to see the episode that *that* bit of crazyness came from. - -- Brian Hostetler http://sparrow.bio.indiana.edu/brian/me '...most of it is radical hip drug culture overload. Obviously, the first thing to do is set up some simple methodology and see if you can't study the experiences under control laboratory conditions.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Hostetler Subject: Re: Juno Reactor & LX : Luciana Date: 12 Aug 1994 15:53:03 -0500 (EST) >> Anyone else like/loath it? > Pretty much the same sentiments here. I enjoy it, but it is a bit > repetitive and drawn-out. Something I'll come home, turn on all the > black-lights, and just veg too... :) Yeah and smoke a bowl...Oops! Sorry I said that! :p - -- Brian Hostetler http://sparrow.bio.indiana.edu/brian/me '...most of it is radical hip drug culture overload. Obviously, the first thing to do is set up some simple methodology and see if you can't study the experiences under control laboratory conditions.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wallace E. Winfrey" Subject: Orb home page down... Date: 12 Aug 1994 16:45:29 -0500 (CDT) Sorry for any conveniences, but the Orb home page will be down for approximately a week as we reconfigure our network. Look for it to be back up next Friday. wally ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Ruger Subject: Re: RaveStock(tm)? Date: 12 Aug 1994 15:27:00 -0700 (PDT) On Fri, 12 Aug 1994, Andrew Thomas wrote: > Is anyone from the list actually going? It would be kinda cool to get > some reports since it's likely to be pretty much ignored by the media. In addition, is anyone planning on recording (either boot at the concert or off the supposed stereo pay-per-view) this event (anyone on the net, I mean!)? With regards to disorientation... Mike Ruger ...Her name is Romney ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Hostetler Subject: Re: RaveStock(tm)? (fwd) Date: 12 Aug 1994 17:36:17 -0500 (EST) Michael Ruger said: > In addition, is anyone planning on recording (either boot at the concert > or off the supposed stereo pay-per-view) this event (anyone on the net, I > mean!)? I can't imagine the Rave part would be on PPV. Anyone know?? - -- Brian Hostetler http://sparrow.bio.indiana.edu/brian/me '...most of it is radical hip drug culture overload. Obviously, the first thing to do is set up some simple methodology and see if you can't study the experiences under control laboratory conditions.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R_FIG@delphi.com Subject: Orb home page URL? Date: 12 Aug 1994 20:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Dear Wallace E. Winfrey, I didn't know there was an Orb home page. Who runs it? Please post it's URL address at "orb@xmission.com" when the home page is back up. &^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^@ r_fig@delphi.com @,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,& ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dino@spectrx.sbay.org (Dean Carlson) Subject: Overldone drug use Date: 13 Aug 1994 01:22:29 PDT I never wanted to stain this list with some age-old drug debate. The statement was brought up because the question whether _Pomme Fritz_ was music or not was asked. Someone said it's only music when they were stoned. I stated my opinion about this (as all of you well know) but then wrote my MAIN point which was that the "mini-album" was, without a doubt, music. So drop it people. I'm not out to convert or condemn anyone. Let's talk about the band, and nnot the issue. Dean - -- dino@spectrx.sbay.org (Dean Carlson) SPECTROX SYSTEMS +1.408.252.1005 Cupertino, Ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Evans Subject: Re: Overldone drug use Date: 13 Aug 1994 17:05:27 -0400 (EDT) On Sat, 13 Aug 1994, Dean Carlson wrote: > > Someone said it's only music when they were stoned. I stated my opinion > about this (as all of you well know) but then wrote my MAIN point which was > that the "mini-album" was, without a doubt, music. You didn't quote the person who said that in your original post so I missed it, I definately disagree with that person probably as adamantly as you. I wasn't aware that someone said something so silly. > So drop it people. I'm not out to convert or condemn anyone. Let's talk > about the band, and nnot the issue. good call. definately. - - John ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: root@brahman.nullnet.fi (Guru Gnosis Sahib) Subject: Re: FFWD & WOODSTOCK Date: 13 Aug 1994 09:11:35 EET In article <9408100137.02ACB02@support.com> you wrote: : On the subject of The New Orb, Ragle Gumm said: : > Much of it is positively chilling sounding, and seems : > to violate what I thought was a time-honored rule in ambient music: : > Don't give the drug users in the audience a bad trip. : WHY NOT? We simply cannot thrive forever on happy, mellow psychedelic music, : because then we would turn into cheezy Yanni-heads given a few more years. : Sometimes I actually dig scary "ambient" (that is, music without obvious : direction and predictable chord changes) simply because it provokes more : thought than something more trite. Gee, maybe because bad trips are not fun? It could be OK in controlled circumstances if the tripper himself wanted, but I think I'd freak out if I was on psychedelics at a concert and they started playing Puppy or something, songs like "Love in Vein" freak me out sufficiently as it is. "...you're waking...dreaming on inside the quiet nerves...ALL NEED IS WRONG... NOTHING WRONG...cold pain, delusions, pain, pain, pain..." : While we're at it, could Skinny Puppy be placed into the ambient category? : What about early Throbbing Gristle, John Cage's composed music for transistor : radios, and Negativland overlaid on top of a warbling synth tone? Most of Puppy is not ambient (there's a beat and more importantly lyrics), but some of their stuff is, especially the second half of their latest album, _Last Rights_. I don't know what the hell Negativland is, but I wouldn't call it ambient... - -- _ __ Jani "Guru Gnosis Sahib" Poij{rvi Cthulhu saves...in case /(o\ gnosis@brahman.nullnet.fi, gnosis@xgw.fi he's hungry later. \o)/ GB/CS d- -p+ c++++ !l u++ e* m--- s+++/- !n h+ f+ g+ w+++ t- r y* BRAHMAN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TKing13@aol.com Subject: Repostings Date: 13 Aug 1994 22:20:37 EDT It just amazes me that people waste the bandwidth to repeat a big quote and say "Yup! I agree." TKing13 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TKing13@aol.com Subject: Orb & Fortran 5 / Coldcut Remix Date: 13 Aug 1994 22:20:49 EDT Robert Arthur Breitkreuz wrote: > i'm actually a bigger fortran 5 fan than orb fan I like them too, but you've got to be kidding! The second album had its moments (esp. Bad Head Park; Layla was amusing), but was not great on whole. The first album was much better, but a real pisser if you had the singles (which I did, meaning that I already had almost all of the good stuff), and there was an unfortunately high level of filler. Agreed that XX21 (gotta love those DAF samples!) & Bike are excellent, tho. The 12" mix of Groove is better than the album version, tho. > how are the orb and fortran 5 related? I have heard variously that Thrash was an actual member of F5 at one time, and that he only mixed and co-produced some of the first album. - ------- On a totally different note... garth colasurdo wrote: > What is the Coldcut mix of Little Fluffy Clouds like? I read, somewhere in the archives that it wasn't a particular favorite mix by the Orb. I'm somewhat familliar with Coldcut's work, I'd like to hear it some time.< If you know Coldcut, you won't be much surprised. Kind of chunky beats, late 80s DJ stuff (Bomb the Bass, Coldcut etal). I was surprised that they stripped a lot of the "atmosphere" out of it; the sound was a lot clearer, less dubby (even on the Dub version). I'm pissed that the US CDS has only two of the 3 Coldcut mixes (not the full-length, which is on the 12" :-( TKing13 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Susie Kameny Subject: mtv Date: 13 Aug 1994 21:00:03 -700 (PDT) yow! was that the orb i heard during a segment on mtv....and what is with this...anyone see the pay per view? just curious....susie(: p.s. kennedy is such a wanker....she went to the "rave party" last night at woodfuck and the least mtv couldhave done was founda "vj" who likes techno.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony Fiarito Subject: Re: Orb home page URL? Date: 13 Aug 1994 21:49:06 -0700 R_FIG@delphi.com writes: >Dear Wallace E. Winfrey, > I didn't know there was an Orb home page. Who runs it? Please post >it's URL address at "orb@xmission.com" when the home page is back up. Here's the URL to the one I've got: http://www.phlab.missouri.edu/HOMES/c512571_www/music/orbstuff/index.html Although it still appears to be down... :( Cheers, /\nthony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete Hartman Subject: Re: mtv Date: 14 Aug 1994 14:10:34 -0500 >p.s. kennedy is such a wanker....she went to the "rave party" last night >at woodfuck and the least mtv couldhave done was founda "vj" who likes >techno.. Yeah, she was raggin on everything in sight. Waking people up out of their tents (I'd sue her if I'd been there, but I suppose I wouldn't have a chance against viacom....). It went back to someone else who was funny saying "and when you tell your grandkids about it, Kennedy, you'll tell them 'Yeah I was there, and I irritated EVERYONE'". He said it better than I can paraphrase though. Wish there'd actually been some real orb footage instead of just Kennedy though. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HETRICK@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU Subject: Re: Repostings Date: 15 Aug 1994 01:18:08 -0500 (EST) >It just amazes me that people waste the bandwidth to repeat a big quote and >say "Yup! I agree." > > >TKing13 Yup! I agree. (sorry...I just couldn't resist..:) Neil Hetrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HETRICK@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU Subject: Re: orb and F5 Date: 15 Aug 1994 01:53:35 -0500 (EST) >Thanks for the list. I do have both the Caroline '777' CD and the W and U >System 7 CD. I WAS hoping that there was another System 7 offering. >Anyone have any news? Do our friends in the UK have some info? > > >M I'm in NC rather than in the UK, but I've got a bit of 'info' on System 7 (who I absolutely _LOVE_, BTW...). Before I got a hold of their second disc (on Weird & Unconventional/Big Life), I had called Big Life in N.Y. to ask about the disc's domestic availability (it's only avail. as an import from the UK, for those of you who don't know). Anyway, a woman there at Big Life said that Hillage and Giraudy were due to go back into the studio in the summer (this past summer; I made the call a while back) to record a new System 7 album. The woman also mentioned that Big Life was re-negotiating its distribution contracts here in the U.S., and that a new deal might mean domestic re-releases for all of System 7's back catalogue (I dunno what they'll do about the 'System 7' name copyright problems they had with Apple Computer earlier...). At any rate, though it may be early 1995 before the new album is completed/released, at least there _will_ be another disc from one of my _FAVORITE_ dance artists.... Just out of curiosity, do any of the System 7 fans on here have any CD-singles from the first album? I only have "7:7 Expansion" and "Sinbad/Quest," but I've seen others in stores. I'm wondering what the various mixes sound like, and if some of the songs may have been remixed as instrumental tracks. I really love the complex production on the first disc (try "Listen" on the U.S. version -- it's _brilliant!!_), and would like to hear more of that sound.... Also, for anyone who owns the UK version of the first album: What do the original versions of "Sunburst" and "Miracle" sound like? Much different from the 'Orb-enhanced' versions on the U.S. release? Neil Hetrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HETRICK@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU Subject: Re: Pomme Fritz with Dope Date: 15 Aug 1994 02:10:01 -0500 (EST) On "Pomme Fritz" : >In any case, since the title track is obviously music, I assume that >people are arguing about the vocal tracks. I must say that they are >music simply because they are presented as such (clearly it is the >orb's intent to present these songs as music), much as I consider >the introduction of Towers of Dub to be music simply because it >is tacked on to the beginning of a music track. Regarding that title track (which I like very much, BTW), I'd asked earlier about what I thought were prominent guitar parts running all through the piece. I've not seen any replies about this, so I figured I'd give the question another go. Maybe it's not guitar, but it sure _sounds_ like it might be guitar. Like I mentioned before, no one is credited with actually _playing_ anything in the "Pomme Fritz" liner notes, but I think the parts have a 'Fripp-ish' sound to them, though I don't believe Robert Fripp was involved in the recording of PF. Clues anyone??? On the Designers Republic: Who else have they done album cover art for? On new Orb coming down the pipeline: Let me get this straight. There's "The Seven Wonders of the World" 2CD thing, "Orbus Tyrannus," and a much-rumored 'dub-album.' Anyone more clear on this than I am? There's a KEYBOARD magazine source for that "Seven Wonders..." disc (due in September somtime, supposedly...), so I think there's a good chance that one is for real. I dunno about the other stuff, though..... Neil Hetrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David K. Collins" Subject: Re: orb and F5 Date: 15 Aug 1994 01:48:39 -0500 (CDT) re: what do original v's of sunburst and miracle sound like. sunburst is fairly close to the 777 version. Original doesn't have the same intro and doesn't have the pretty in pink sample (I mentioned it a coupla days ago). Pretty much the same miracle is very different. I haven't heard the 777 version in a while, but the original is a lot more 'powerful' sounding. It is much more layered (well it SEEMS more layered) and intricate. It also has a Sweet Exorcist "Testone"-type pattern in it. ## #s#subjective part ###### I prefer the sunburst 777 version because of the beginning and the sample, but they are pretty much the same so... And the original Miracle just kicks ass all over the place. One of the better tracks of that section of time (month? year?). The 777 version and (I'm almost afraid to say it) the orb version don't even come close to the original. But like I said, its been a while since I heard the 777 one and even longer since the orb one c-ya chris clarke ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R_FIG@delphi.com Subject: Re: Designers (r)... Date: 15 Aug 1994 04:25:27 -0400 (EDT) This is for Neil Hetrick. . . I have made a list of CDs with DR covers that I own. Some are subtle, like for Polygon Window and Aphex Twin. There are some really wild covers for groups like Pop _Will_ Eat Itself. There was a good magazine profile of them recently . They usually like to leave a special tag to claim that they have left their mark, and I have tried to include that here in the list. I admit their style is often self-parodying and could be copied by someone with half a brain and a Mac Quadra, but. . . I wonder how much they would charge for their work? Polygon Window : Surfing on Sine Waves [Warp/TVT] "long tails and ears for hats" Polygon Window : Quoth [Warp/TVT] "bingo bobby boo" Aphex Twin : On [Warp] Aphex Twin : On remixes [Warp] Black Dog Productions : Bytes [Warp/TVT] Orb : Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld - double album [Big Life/Wau!Mr.Modo] Orb : U.F.Orb [Island RedLabel] Orb : Assassin [Big Life/Wau!Mr.Modo] Orb : Assassin [Big Life/Wau!Mr.Modo] Sun Electric : 0'10cc0 [R&S] welcome. YMO : Technodon Remixes II (The Orb) [japanese import] ::and other non-techno stuff:: Nine Inch Nails : Sin [TVT] Scorpio Rising : Zodiac Killers [Sire] "now we are six..." ::here is the award-winner for best DR tag that I have seen yet. . . :: (from a Guirilla Records (how to spell?) compilation I saw in a store) Do you think Dave Letterman's writing staff works for the Republic? &^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^@ Designed by r_fig@delphi.com (tm) "Central Heating for Kids!" %) @,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,& ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LIVINGSTONM@delphi.com Subject: Re: Orb home page URL? Date: 15 Aug 1994 08:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Being rather new to this internet stuff, what is a "home page" and why do I want to go there? M ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Speakman" Subject: Ravestock very brief review Date: 15 Aug 1994 12:53:00 EST Hiya! This is a very brief note about ravestock prior to me turning off the orb list spigot again (i.e. you'll have to e-mail me if you've questions/flames), yes they played at about 4:30 till gone 6 am as the sun came up on a not-yet-too-muddy Woodstock. First up was Orbital, who were utterly incredible. Words really do fail me when it comes to describing their set, except to say I was spellbound. Anyway, a hard act to follow. Dee-Lite came on and did a solidly entertaining set, then Aphex Twin who's thrown away his bottle of analog bubblebath and did a brutally industrial set that was rather wearing on my by now tired ears, as I was hoping to catch a wee bit of shut-eye before the Orb. Anyway, on came the Orb, I can't remember the set list (come on, I'd been up for the best part of 24 housr by now) but all the old favourites in an extended set, L.F.C. as the sun came up of course, and then we buggered off. Not very informative, this post, but they did show up and they did play. To be honest it wasn't an exciting set, but it was consistently enjoyable. The performance by Orbital was probably unsurpass- able anyway. Regards, John (speakman@biost.mskcc.org) ps: no it wasn't on PPV and yes we were pestered by Kennedy and the MTV crew asking gormless questions and pretending to dance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Just A Guy Made Of Dots And Lines Subject: Woodstock... Date: 15 Aug 1994 13:57:59 EDT Well, I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but The Orb played Woodstock Friday night. They had a rave starting around 1:30 AM until 7 or so, and I went just to check it out. Dee-Lite opened up, which was the level of DJing I expected, but then they turned it over to the Aphex Twin around 2:30 or 3 o'clock. (My stand on him: good stuff but I just can't dance to it.) I got bored of it and started to walk off, got about 500 yards from the stage and heard something. I said "Hey wait, I know that song. Oh my god It's the Orb." I swear I have never run so fast in my life! They played most of the stuff you'd expect to hear, you know, PD, Blue Room, 6&789, Assassin, etc...) and it was absolutely incredible to me. Anyways, I was just wondering if anyone knows if this is going to get released in the future or if (gasp) anyone had a bootleg of it. Preferably one they'd be willing to dub a copy of. Please respond directly 'cuz I'm not on the list because I have to pay to read my mail and AOL is sloooooow. - -Neil knvo@maristb.bitnet ====================================================================== "Always / I want to be with you / and make believe with you / And live in harmony, harmony oh love." -Always, Erasure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nathan Dors Subject: Re: mtv Date: 15 Aug 1994 11:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Warning: this hasn't a thing to do with the orb. Pete Hartman says: " Yeah, [Kennedy] was raggin on everything in sight." I can confirm this. When I accidently passed by channel 36--not hard with what's available these days--I came across Kennedy ragging on the lead singer of Metalica. Seems she didn't like his hair. Good for Keneedy. What does she expect from him, swish hair and fashion by Dolce & Gabbana? Whatever. I scrambled for a higher channel, which turned out to be on my roommate's stereo. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jon@opcode.com (Jon Drukman) Subject: Re: >orb and F5 Date: 15 Aug 1994 11:17:22 PDT RE>>orb and F5 >Just out of curiosity, do any of the System 7 fans on here have any CD-singles >from the first album? I only have "7:7 Expansion" and "Sinbad/Quest," but >I've seen others in stores. I'm wondering what the various mixes sound like, >and if some of the songs may have been remixed as instrumental tracks. I've got the Freedom Fighters limited edition single. The remixes of Freedom Fighters are still basically pop songs with singing. Better than the album mix, but it's just not a really great track no matter what you do to it. However, there is some good stuff. "Mia (fisherman mix)" is a fantastic ambient trip out journey, and as far as I know, the mix on the CD single has never been replicated elsewhere - the one on the single is over 10 mins long, whereas on the US album and on the Caroline compilation it's ~6.5 mins. Also on the single is a short track called Depth Disco which apparently exists in a longer form on the US album (which I never bothered to buy). >Also, for anyone who owns the UK version of the first album: What do the >original versions of "Sunburst" and "Miracle" sound like? Much different >from the 'Orb-enhanced' versions on the U.S. release? I don't know what the remix of Sunburst is like, but the original is really nice - lots of Hillage gliss guitar over nice swung drum patterns and synth drips. I do have both versions of Miracle so I can compare: I prefer the Orb one. The one on the album is good, but the Orb one has this extra something that I can't put my finger on. Maybe it's the vocoded "system.... seven..." voice at the beginning. I dunno. Truth be told, they're not all THAT different. The one thing you really should hunt down is the "Feed Your Head" compilation on Planet Dog. It has an unbelievable remix of Habibi called The Camel Mix - dreamy and wonderful with *no vocals*, except "from another world" very subtly washing around way back in the mix every now and then. This is the real stuff!! /jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esch@mixcom.com (David S. Cowen) Subject: Re: >orb & F5 Date: 15 Aug 1994 17:47:14 -0500 >>Also, for anyone who owns the UK version of the first album: What do the >>original versions of "Sunburst" and "Miracle" sound like? Much different >>from the 'Orb-enhanced' versions on the U.S. release? > >I don't know what the remix of Sunburst is like, but the original is really >nice - lots of Hillage gliss guitar over nice swung drum patterns and synth >drips. The original and remix are very similar. The original (UK) version has a much nicer intro (a large chunk of the Calling You sample off the Baghdad Cafe soundtrack with lovely synth patches underneath), and a longer build before the killer Sunburst beat finally comes in. IMHO, the UK version is much better. >I do have both versions of Miracle so I can compare: I prefer the >Orb one. The one on the album is good, but the Orb one has this extra >something that I can't put my finger on. Maybe it's the vocoded "system.... >seven..." voice at the beginning. I dunno. Truth be told, they're not all >THAT different. What? Jon? Hello? I have both, and they're as different as night and day -- the Orb one is a dancy, quirky number with an insistent (and annoying) Godley & Creme sample (from Business is Business) and dance-piano breaks. It sounds sparkly, jumpy and light. On the other hand, the UK Miracle is a hard driving number with a pounding beat and huge repetitive guitar lines. Very different feel between the two. I prefer the UK version by a mile. IMHO, System 7's weakest tracks have been created from Orb intervention. System 7 has a driving, guitar-driven sound with floaty synth patches (especially on the second album) that the Orb tends to strip away in favor of danciness and quirkiness. On the other hand, I've always thought the Moody Boys System 7 remixes were nothing short of spectacular (for 7:7, Sinbad and Quest). esch@mixcom.com esch@execpc.com (Eschatfische.) ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jon@opcode.com (Jon Drukman) Subject: system 7 remixes Date: 15 Aug 1994 16:24:10 PDT system 7 remixes I wrote: >>I do have both versions of Miracle so I can compare: I prefer the >>Orb one. The one on the album is good, but the Orb one has this extra >>something that I can't put my finger on. Maybe it's the vocoded "system.... >>seven..." voice at the beginning. I dunno. Truth be told, they're not all >>THAT different. David S. Cowen replied: >What? Jon? Hello? I have both, and they're as different as night and >day well, i haven't listened to the Orb version in a while, so it's possible i'm talking shit, but i remember the similarities more than the differences. anyway, sometimes the orb have been known to substitute entire songs when they do 'remixes' so this one was pretty tame in that you could tell what track it originally came from :) i'll go have another listen tonight anyway. >IMHO, System 7's weakest tracks have been created from Orb intervention. >System 7 has a driving, guitar-driven sound with floaty synth patches >(especially on the second album) that the Orb tends to strip away in favor >of danciness and quirkiness. i dunno about 'weakest' when you've got all those damn vocal tracks to compare with! i suppose if we're talking strictly instrumental, perhaps. but the original version of Miracle definitely has that driving guitar sound that you mention. >On the other hand, I've always thought the >Moody Boys System 7 remixes were nothing short of spectacular (for 7:7, >Sinbad and Quest). well, i think 7:7 Expansion is about the dullest track out there and even Tony Thorpe couldn't save it. while I do prefer the hillage/giraudy mix of Quest, the moody boys mix of Sinbad (7th Voyage Of...) really kicks ass. /jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Hostetler Subject: system 7 remixes (fwd) Date: 15 Aug 1994 22:46:03 -0500 (EST) Jon Drukman said: > well, i think 7:7 Expansion is about the dullest track out there and even To > Thorpe couldn't save it. while I do prefer the hillage/giraudy mix of WHAT?! :p The 'Double Edged Sword' mix of 7:7 has to be one of the top ambient tracks of all...recent time...in my opinion. Very comparable to the 'Chocolate Hills of Bohol' mix of Assassin. They go VERY good together. I'll grant you that the other mixes of 7:7 are pretty dull. And, frankly, I don't know of anything Tony has done that is really good other than the incredible remix of KLFs 'Last Train to Transcentral'. Fucking brilliant, that remix. - -- Brian Hostetler http://sparrow.bio.indiana.edu/brian/me '...most of it is radical hip drug culture overload. Obviously, the first thing to do is set up some simple methodology and see if you can't study the experiences under control laboratory conditions.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David K. Collins" Subject: Re: system 7 remixes (fwd) Date: 16 Aug 1994 01:54:42 -0500 (CDT) On Mon, 15 Aug 1994, Brian Hostetler wrote: > WHAT?! :p The 'Double Edged Sword' mix of 7:7 has to be one of the top > ambient tracks of all...recent time...in my opinion. Very comparable > Transcentral'. Fucking brilliant, that remix. > I second the motion on that whole paragraph. (But you forgot to include the 'What time is love vs. the moody boys'). If the Orb will hire people like Bandulu to do an ultra-shit remix (But I hear the new Bandulu album is pretty cool), they should rethink and hire Tony. c-ya chris clarke ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: c512571@showme.missouri.edu (wallace winfrey) Subject: Re: Orb home page URL? Date: 16 Aug 1994 11:24:02 -0600 >Being rather new to this internet stuff, what is a "home page" and why do I >want to go there? The simple explanation is that a home page is a document served on the world wide web and viewed with a browser. The document is more than just simple text, it's more like a Windows help file or a Macintosh Hypercard stack, except it's more flexible in some ways (it allows you to display gif files in the document, and can be made avaialable to a large number of people) and less flexible in others (you can only define font size and style, and the layout capabilities are rather limited). Heard of Mosaic? It's a web browser. The Orb page is simply a "point-and-click" front end to the large amount of information about the Orb available on the Internet. It is also an example of the powerful capabilties of http to understand ftp and gopher protocols, as most of the links point to resources not at the site! It allows you to pull up gifs of flyers and album covers, (a few) sound samples and read articles. Unfortunately, to get the full effect of the web, you need to have a TCP connection to the Internet in order to run the gui browsers, although you can telnet to a site and use a text-based browser though by this procedure: telnet fatty.law.cornell.edu login: www select G to G)o URL type http://www.phlab.missouri.edu/HOMES/c512571_www/music/orbstuff/index.html The Orb page is set up for gui-based browsers, so about the only interesting thingn you'll be able to do is read articles about the Orb (which aint so bad). Mind you that most of the info presented on the Orb page are simply links to files at xmission.com or hyperreal.com. If you can't use Mosaic, etc. you're probably better off just ftping to those sites and doing downloads. Hope this helps and wasn't too dense and/or simplistic. BTW, the page is still down and will probably be back up on Friday and Saturday (provided the 90 new Indy's make it onto our LAN with no problems). wally c512571@showme.missouri.edu *Still accepting ideas and suggestions for the Orb page!* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rbc III Subject: Re: system 7 remixes Date: 16 Aug 1994 16:58:03 -0700 (PDT) On Mon, 15 Aug 1994, Jon Drukman wrote: > well, i think 7:7 Expansion is about the dullest track out there and even Tony > Thorpe couldn't save it. while I do prefer the hillage/giraudy mix of > Quest, the moody boys mix of Sinbad (7th Voyage Of...) really kicks ass. Expansion is one of my favorites. I thing Sinbad is rather dull. Oh, well. - -robert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David K. Collins" Subject: where is everyone? Date: 18 Aug 1994 23:35:32 -0500 (CDT) I'm just checking on my mail box to find that there was only one posting since Monday. As I share this login with someone, I'm not sure if he deleted them or ifeekit has just been a slow week, Could someone please mail me to alleviate this anxiety? than-kyu chrisclarke ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Ellis Subject: [none] Date: 19 Aug 1994 09:52:00 PDT i'm here, chris. i 'm new to this list, but i've been a fan since around 90. my company just got a connection to the net so i've been looking around a bit. i've been waiting for mail for about a week too. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Sink Subject: Info on following Orb Work: Date: 19 Aug 1994 16:09:53 -0400 (ADT) I just recently ran across this CD @ a music store located in Greensboro, NC. It is "FFWD>> FFWD>>" Titled: "inta 001 cd" Reading the inside cover w/ credits, it says the following: written by r.fripp/t.fehlmann/k.weston/d.a.r. paterson (orb music, big life music, crimson music) produced by the orb & thomas fehlman (yes, its all in lower case on the CD) guitar & treatments, robert fripp electronics by kris weston & thomas fehlmann ambient treatments, d.a.r paterson * percussion, hasson ramsey mixed at bj.g summer 1993 engineered by andrew hughs original session engineered by david singleton agnabled by fil char gonidred ...and a few thank you's we won't go over. Anyhow, the track listing is: 1. hidden 2. lucky saddle 3. drone 4. hempire 5. collosus 6. what time is clock 7. can of bliss 8. elvenses 9. meteor storm 10. buchwheat & grits 11. klangtest 12. suess wie eine nuss Anyhow, what I was interested in, was that I am fairly familiar (or thought I was) with most of the Orb's works and "external associations" (i.e. Fortran 5, 777, Sun Electric, etc etc..) but had never run across anything under this heading. I was wondering if anyone had any further info on this. I would definitely appreciate it! - -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- |:| Robert Sink | "I don't want to start any blasphemous |:| |:| sinkr@universe.digex.net | rumors, but I think that GOD has a sick |:| |:|--------------------------| sense of humor and when I die I expect |:| |:| (c) 1994 Gurkware, Inc. | to find him laughing." -- Depeche Mode |:| ------------------------------------------------------------------------- *PGP 2.6 Public Key Available By Fingering This Account* *or via the PGP Server: pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: FFWD Date: 20 Aug 1994 23:03:16 -0600 (MDT) I picked up FFWD used today; someone apparently didn't like it. Well *I* do! As the cover art hints, it's a very tasty chunk of '70s-style atmospheric ambient -- no beats, but nowhere near as discordant as Pommes Fritz or even Space. This is some of the nicest Orb-associated work I've heard since Adventures Beyond The Ultraworld, and I'm glad I didn't avoid it based on the slamming I've seen it getting. - -- Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pashdown@xmission.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: FFWD Date: 21 Aug 1994 13:12:49 -0700 Lazlo spaketh: >heard since Adventures Beyond The Ultraworld, and I'm glad I didn't avoid >it based on the slamming I've seen it getting. Speaking of slamming, I _really_ enjoy Juno Reactor's "Luciana". The angelic/arabic female vocals thrown in over dark industry is pure genius. Makes me wish there was a film to this soundtrack. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Sink Subject: FFWD Date: 21 Aug 1994 20:12:11 -0400 (ADT) I'll have to say as well that I thoroughly enjoyed listening to it. I never was too keen on pure-ambient, but this might be a new step. Was definitely worth the $19 bux! - -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- |:| Robert Sink | "I don't want to start any blasphemous |:| |:| sinkr@universe.digex.net | rumors, but I think that GOD has a sick |:| |:|--------------------------| sense of humor and when I die I expect |:| |:| (c) 1994 Gurkware, Inc. | to find him laughing." -- Depeche Mode |:| ------------------------------------------------------------------------- *PGP 2.6 Public Key Available By Fingering This Account* *or via the PGP Server: pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Doug Hill" Subject: Any Woodstock news? Date: 19 Aug 1994 11:02:22 -0700 Just wondering if anyone has any more news about the Orb Woodstock performance. A previous poster whetted our tongues with some snippets about the show, but I was wondering if I can get any more vicarious info. Also, While there is a lull in the action here, I have some questions about the Orb's Assassin single. On the cover of the first one to come out (the one that has the Oasis of Rythm mix), there is some Arabic-looking writing on the cover. I had someone look at it who knows Arabic, Urdu, Hebrew, and some Hindi, and they said it made absolutely no sense. What I am wondering is does anyone know if there is any meaning in the writing? I am figuring that it has to be something close to Arabic due to the references to the early Arab Assassins group and the turbined man on the cover. I also had someone else who knew some Japanese check out the back cover, which has some Japanese writing. He said it looks like it phonetically translates to "Chicago". Does anyone know if this is right? Any information will be greatly appreciated... Doug ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Any Woodstock news? Date: 22 Aug 1994 11:47:04 -0600 (MDT) > On the cover of the first one to come out (the one that has the Oasis > of Rythm mix), there is some Arabic-looking writing on the cover. I had > someone look at it who knows Arabic, Urdu, Hebrew, and some Hindi, and > they said it made absolutely no sense. That's because it says "orb". In English. Bweee-aaaaaahhhh! :-) - -- Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ====================================================================== "Techno techno bloody *techno*, darling!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ceej@netcom.com (C J Silverio) Subject: Re: FFWD Date: 22 Aug 1994 12:00:21 -0700 |From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) |Date: Sat, 20 Aug 1994 23:03:16 -0600 (MDT) |I picked up FFWD used today; someone apparently didn't like it. Well *I* |do! As the cover art hints, it's a very tasty chunk of '70s-style |atmospheric ambient -- no beats, but nowhere near as discordant as Pommes |Fritz or even Space. This is some of the nicest Orb-associated work I've |heard since Adventures Beyond The Ultraworld, and I'm glad I didn't avoid |it based on the slamming I've seen it getting. I have to agree. I found it this weekend and loved it at first listen. Lovely noises. For some reason Pommes Fritz hasn't grown on me, but I expect FFWD to stay in my cd player for a while. - --- c j silverio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vyallop@cix.compulink.co.uk (Vince Yallop) Subject: Orbstock 94 Date: 23 Aug 1994 00:27 BST-1 Yoho all.. I've have a friend who is most annoying and calls me up in the early hours of the morning to speak about banal subjects. He's going to court for dangerously riding a pushbike - /that/ sort. Anyway, when I returned at about 3.30am from a dull night of clubbing over the weekend all I could say was "f--ing hell" for a couple of minutes. Why? Anne Nightingale on her Radio 1 show played half an hour of the Orb's Woodstock performance on her Chill Out Zone show. I managed to rip apart my room to find a TDK AR to tape all of it! The songs broadcast were: (none of the 3 are all complete) Outlands a bit of the Mudskipper song (sounds very Ren/Stimpy) the Log song (Ren/Stimpy) Valley Towers of Dub (much like UFOrb version) My recording was on a portable Panasonic - so hi-fi perfectionists shouldn't expect fantastic sound, but the quality is good enough. Worth having for collectings' sake, but if you have Live 93 it doesn't really sound all that much different - and there's less. I'm prepared to do copies if you send a tape and some IRCs to me. E-mail me if you're interested so I can find the demand and I'll get back to all of you in around a week/ten days (off to Reading - hopefully). * NOTE: REPLY TO ME & DO NOT FLOOD THIS LIST WITH 'YES ME!' REPLIES * oo -\/- Vince + vyallop@cix.compulink.co.uk today: > People > Pegs > Scream > Hice > Hack > Hunger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R_FIG@delphi.com Subject: FFWD: I'll buy it. Date: 22 Aug 1994 20:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Dear Orb list-readers, I went to Kim's Audio-Video last Friday in Manhattan (I think it was on Bleeker St. but I don't know for sure) and they stock lots of techno and Throbbing Grisle-like stuff. Kim's had FFWD on vinyl and CD for $19.99 a pop. I really wanted it, but I can either go back later or go to the stores that are in Boston, because there was some obsure stuff there that I thought I might never see again in a store. The employee of Kim's that I spoke to 's name was Dean. He knew a lot about the music I was looking for, and convinced me to buy FSoL _Lifeforms_ (maxi-single) and Labradford _Prazision LP_. The _Lifeforms_ maxi-single is like a movie soundtrack, maybe something like YMO _technodon remixes II_ (a. paterson, k. weston got credit for this). And the Labradford _LP_ is a guitarist and a keyboardist (without drummer or drum machine) making My Bloody Valentine sounds through an Aphex Twin filter. Just one caution: the lyrics sung on _LP_ didn't grab me. Check 'em out. I want to buy FFWD, it sounds like a great idea. -r_fig@delphi.com PS- I am leaving the Internet soon because I won't have a modem connection in Boston. So say your good byes now. That's the 29th when I leave. I have the Orb list to thank for 98.0006974% of the Email I got. Hugs ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: helt2329@nova.gmi.edu (styLEN) Subject: new video? Date: 23 Aug 1994 02:07:25 EDT Can some informed perosn please assist me here. I was just reading an article (record-collector-article) off hyperreal.com and it mentions an new orb video in the works. Is there anything due to be released? All I know of is patterns & textures, blue room video, and various bootlegs. Is there anything else out there? Enquiring minds want to know! styLEN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HETRICK@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU Subject: Orb Videos Date: 23 Aug 1994 11:38:30 -0500 (EST) >I was just reading an article (record-collector-article) off hyperreal.com and > >it mentions an new orb video in the works. Is there anything due to be > >released? All I know of is patterns & textures, blue room video, and various > >bootlegs. Is there anything else out there? Someone posted on here like two weeks ago about a new video for "Pomme Fritz," which they thought apparently thought was bland (the video). Anyway, I'd never heard that there was a video for "Blue Room." Is this something that one can purchase on VHS, as per "Patterns & Textures" (meaning that it is put out by Island or Big Life or some such company)? Neil Hetrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stutch@netcom.com (stutch) Subject: Re: Orb Videos Date: 23 Aug 1994 12:41:59 -0700 Neil Hetric wrote: >Someone posted on here like two weeks ago about a new video for "Pomme Fritz," >which they thought apparently thought was bland (the video). > Yes there is a video for "pomme fritz" the song. Saw it on a cable TV show called FLUX (I think). It was actually quite pleasing to everyone's taste.Picky people too I should add. A large part of it consisted of an abstract sculpture made of mirror reflecting on itself, rolling around the neighborhood.All in all pretty pleasing. Flux (?) is produced in SF and I haven't any knowledge of it's distribution. It also included some gorgeous german ambient (oxymoron?) accompanied by some fabulous japanese footage. Virtually Bob Stutch Dog&Pony SF CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Hauben Subject: orb.pom Date: 23 Aug 1994 15:49:13 -0400 Would've never of thunk it - the Orb are crossing over to the mainstream. Visit your local Tower and take a gander (or a listen) to their listening stations. Pommes Fritz is available for all to listen to! Not the best selection to introduce people to the Orb - but those that convert are almost guarenteed to stay hooked. :) - -Michael ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Doug Hill" Subject: Assassin Single Artwork (Fucked me up!) Date: 24 Aug 1994 09:23:40 -0700 Well, I stand in complete amazement over the artwork on the Assassin single. I had stared at that cover many times under hazy and not so hazy conditions, and I never saw anything that remotely resembles English. After reading that it was supposed to be the band name, I went back today and looked at it again, and you know what: it still looks like pseudo-Arabic jibberish. The designers did a very good job of disguising what it is... But, I am glad to finally know the secret, though it would have been nice for it to have been some obscure reference to the Assassins (Hashishin) group, to which I believe Alex and Co. are making a reference. Again, thanks for the "translation". Doug ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rslantze@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (Raymond S Lantzer) Subject: absORB for sale Date: 24 Aug 1994 16:22 CDT At a local record store, they have for sale at $1.99, in shrink wrap, absORB. side A1: a huge ever growing pulsating brain that rules from the centre of the ultraworld (loving u) 18:52 side A2: assassin 11:48 33 1/3 rpm; selections from ORB Live 93 any one interested just email me. ray ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ran A. Mano" Subject: Perks of working in the libray... Date: 24 Aug 1994 23:04:21 -0500 (CDT) New Rolling Stone came in today, the one with Trent Reznor (NIN) on the cover... turn to the back page with the album listing... under sub-heading "Alternative Music" The Orb's Pomme Frites came in with a #9 ranking in sales. The statistics were derived from sales at Ozone Records in Portland Ore., which might as well negate the entire poll as it is provincal at best and extreemly baised at worst. A small shop in Portland does not represent the entire country. ...what else could you expect from Rolling Stone. at least Pomme Frites is getting some coverage, but no reviews yet from RS. Please spare me your pompas self-righteous flames for reading Rolling Stone. I have never, nor while I ever, pay money for this pathetic exuse for toilet paper, but I work in a library and it beats reading another Newsweek cover story about the "INFORMATION SUPERHIGHWAY/ CYBERPUNKS/ BILL GATES" you know the one with some guy wearing a VR helmet in some lame fractal landscape. Me I'm just siting here with a cup of warm Green Tea and the uncut version of the Blue Room in the background. No fractal landscapes around here. did I just go off on a tangent? ...should rememeber to take my Prozac over and out.... - -- - + + / | | * |+ ----- \ / /--| | |+ --- ------ \ |----- - ------- --- / /| | . . . | ----- / / | /\ \ / /\----| \/ |/ \ --- / \___| * * * * ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R_FIG@delphi.com Subject: Re: Orb videos / 3 LUX-3 Date: 25 Aug 1994 01:46:05 -0400 (EDT) FLUX? that wouldn't have any relation to 3 LUX-3 now would it? 3 LUX-3 is a German ambient (yes the country ruled by hardtrance, they do ambient a pretty good service as well. . . ) video available for purchase at Tower Records (I've rented it, & it's for sale in Paramus, NJ). Sven Vath, Aphex Twin, & The Orb's _Towers of Dub_ are featured, Dr. Atmo mixed the soundtrack, and the visuals (which turn your living room into a teenage rave) are provided by various artists. The Orb visuals were credited to "Stalin Retina" (I giggle a little every time I hear that name) whom rotates various "Venus of Willendorf meets 3d computer graphics" objects over the screen. Some of the visuals for other parts of the tape are not as cool, like something a 3-year old would draw after a drug experience on Fantagraphics or something as equally cheap as that. check out 3 LUX-2 a trance video which I have heard from a friend's dubbed audio tape, but not seen the visuals. It's great if you like trance. r_fig@delphi.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stutch@netcom.com (stutch) Subject: pomme fritz adverts Date: 25 Aug 1994 00:08:15 -0700 HA! looking thru the new Electronic Musician today I found a PF ad! I don't ever recall seeing musical releases in EM. Rather amusing & original. If it's the only pomme fritz ad I ever see I'll really admire marketing. Bob Stutch Dog&Pony SF CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R_FIG@delphi.com Subject: Re: Perks of working in the library Date: 25 Aug 1994 02:21:01 -0400 (EDT) By the way, no flames needed for reading magazines you will never buy. That was/is one of the main ways of learning new things (for *me*). It goes in the same catagory with "Talking To Stupid People", 'cause you really do learn new things when you talk to anyone, even people that make your skin crawl. I don't think it's so bad that Rolling Stone posted one store's big sellers , just as long as people read the FINE PRINT and know it's not a valid poll . The Pulse! magazine does a very similar thing. I like to hear what a local group of people think is alternative -- in conjunction with a national, or international poll. The local polls make the national info more indepth and interesting. r_fig@delphi.com (until monday the 29th) p.s. I just listened to Bill Laswell / Pete Namlook _Psychonavigation_ which doesn't move as much as _Blue Room_ but would have gone well with some Oolong tea. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: Re: Perks of working in the libray... Date: 25 Aug 1994 09:00:24 -0400 (EDT) ObOrb: Just got the Keiichi Suzuki "Sattelite Serenade" CD-single. To be honest, the first Orb mix didn't do much for me, but the second was excellent. I wish it was longer, though. The regular song is good, too. > The statistics were derived from sales at Ozone Records in Portland Ore., > which might as well negate the entire poll as it is provincal at best and > extreemly baised at worst. A small shop in Portland does not represent > the entire country. > ...what else could you expect from Rolling Stone. Actually, I have to give RS credit for this. (Yes, I am a subscriber, and I am not ashamed to admit it.) I think that if you're going to have an "alternative" chart, you'll get a much bigger variety of acts in there if you do local polling, mainly because (a) you'll get many "local" acts that way, and (b) you're not beholden to your local radio station's idea of what "alternative" means if you are opened up to other stuff. > Please spare me your pompas self-righteous flames for reading Rolling Stone. OK, how about flames for being so closed-minded that you can't see the value in some of RS's journalism? You can't paint every article in a magazine with the same brush, you know. The article on Trent Reznor in there is pretty darn well-written, if you asked me, and, like I said above, I think local polling for a chart like that one is a good thing. Yes, they may not be what they once were, but in my lifetime they never have been, and frankly I think they're getting better. - Adam J Weitzman INDIVIDUAL, Inc. weitzman@individual.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MLehmann@casmail.calacademy.org (Lehmann, Michal) Subject: ET fone home? Date: 25 Aug 1994 11:05:42 PST HEY there... duz anyone know why the home page iz down? iz it cuz skool iz out? when iz it gona be back up? yah...PEACE...out...-M-13... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Thomas Subject: Network News: newgroup alt.music.orb y quozl@netcom.com Date: 25 Aug 1994 09:12:12 -0700 Yikes... Andy - ------- Forwarded Message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Network News Subject: newgroup alt.music.orb y quozl@netcom.com Date: 25 Aug 1994 01:55:09 -0700 quozl@netcom.com requested that alt.music.orb be created. To do this, type the following: /info/news/inn/news/bin/ctlinnd newgroup alt.music.orb y quozl@netcom.com The original article was: Control: newgroup alt.music.orb Newsgroups: alt.music.orb Path: news.service.uci.edu!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!quozl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: quozl@netcom.com (D.M. "Quozl" Falk) Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.music.orb Date: 25 Aug 1994 08:15:25 GMT For your newsgroups file: alt.music.orb For fans of the Ambient Techno music group "The Orb". This newsgroup is for the discussion of Dr. Alex Paterson & The Orb, one of the best ambient techno groups around. ....Quozl! - - - -- //////======////////// |Dennis M. Falk |221 Huntoon St.|TTA/Animaniacs/WB / @ ) \\\\\\\\\\ |aka "Quozl Mephit"|Eureka, CA |TaleSpin/CnD-RR *___(_____(___| |(quozl@netcom.com)|95501-4115 USA |Fifi/Babs/Minerva Supporting your right to own a pet Mustelid! (Skunks, ferrets, otters, minks..) - ------- End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rslantze@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (Raymond S Lantzer) Subject: absORB is available for trade Date: 25 Aug 1994 14:37 CDT I recieved four responces for the absORB. I just bought the second one available. One copy is not plastic wraped, but has the ole' "promo only". The one I just bought has plastic wrap, but no stamp of "promo." Since I have two copies and at least four people to have to choose from, I am interested in a trade. Send me a list of any records or cd singles or whatever that you no longer listen to, and I will try to do it that way. Thanx to sg12200, fluid, unicorn, and wlester for answering. Oh, also mention which one you would prefer. (bye the way included in each is a paper asking for entries to a mixing contest that ended may of this year.) One last thing. My promo copy of Adventures (the album) was eaten by my room-mate's tape player! That Sux! Sux! Sux! Damn! Damn! Damn!...... ray ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lazlo@rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Woodstock Date: 25 Aug 1994 22:51:54 -0600 (MDT) [Forwarded...-laz] > From RedLabel1@aol.com Mon Aug 22 14:14:51 1994 Hi! Dave from Island here. I was at Woodstock -- both Orb performances. They were awesome. On Saturday morning they played a very ambient set, climaxing with LFC as the sun was rising. They did this get bit with the International Log bit from Ren & Stimpy. I can't tell you the whole set, because I was half asleep for part of it and I also now realized that I can't identify very many Orb songs by title. I do know that they played no new tunes, not even anything from Pomme Fritz, though they used part of the Pomme Fritz video on screen during the second show. The sound and lights were awesome -- crystal clear and big through Metallica-sized speakers, and the Orb's light guy, Chris, brought his own pre=programmed deck. The Sunday show, @ about 1:00 AM directly following Peter Gabriel's set, was totoally different. They played mostly the same songs, but each was a full on techno rave-up, not slow and mellow. This set was about two hours and really energized the remaing mud dancers. As far as players in the band -- they had two percussion/drummers, a bass player, a keyboard player (named Andy) and Dr. Alex. Thomas Fehlman wasn't there, and I don't think Thrash or Kris Weston was either (tho this is not confirmed, since I didn't really talk to them.) All in all, Orb blew away just about everybody at Woodstock (except Bob Dylan) and I'm still thoroughly convinced they are one of the best bands in the world right now and will eventually be playing to stadiums on a regular basis. And this is from a guy who after Friday won't be working on the band any longer. I'll keep in touch when I get on-line for myself. Peace. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TKing13@aol.com Subject: Re: System 7 remixes Date: 26 Aug 1994 00:57:53 EDT Brian Hostetler wrote: > And, frankly, I don't know of anything Tony has done that is really good other than the incredible remix of KLFs 'Last Train to Transcentral'. Fucking brilliant, that remix. < I don't know where you've been hiding, but you should definitely check out the Moody Boyz: Product of the Environment, which is *excellent*! In terms of the other remixes, I'll have to go back and listen to them again. The one thing I do remember is that the original and Orb remix of Miracle are quite different. Surprisingly, the original is more ambient; the remix really motors along nicely. The first time I heard it I thought it was great, but it doesn't really hold up as well to repeated listenings as I expected. TKing13@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Steinhart Subject: What is Music? Date: 26 Aug 1994 16:12:29 -0600 (MDT) > From: fletcher > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 12:05:41 EDT > Subject: Re: Pomme Fritz with Dope > > >> And _Pomme Fritz_ is definitely music. > > > I couldn't agree more. > > I've seen about 10 posts with this agreement that Pommes Fritz is > music but nobody specifies if they think that the title track, the > long vaguely dubby trance track and the remixes of it, are music, or > if they are actually referring to the two screwed up vocal tracks > who's musical nature I would tend to question. Hmmm. I'll admit to getting off-topic here, but anyone who questions whether anything intended to be music is music, really ought to read the writings of the Dadaists. Or get the CD "The Creative Act" which contains interview with Marcel Duchamp. Granted, he is talking about art, but music is art, so what's the diff? In a nutshell, I would argue that a car horn is music. A musician makes music, but it isn't really music until someone listens to it. At least that's what Duchamp would say, and he was very, very enlightened about the nature of art and the artistic. To quote Duchamp, "Bad art is still art, just as a bad emotion is still an emotion." > Is DAVE, the mail-order guy still around? I moved to Winnipeg, Manitoba, > CANADA (ie. nowhere'svill) and the only copy of FFWD is 40 bux. Any > mail-order people out there? Can tou please mail me with a price and > ordering procedures. Yes, I am. But I thank Lazlo for blowing my horn (thus creating music ;-) so that I don't have to. Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jon@opcode.com (Jon Drukman) Subject: Re: What is Music? Date: 26 Aug 1994 16:53:34 PDT RE>What is Music? i think frank zappa said it best: art is what you put the frame around. all you need to "do art" is the intention. don't worry about whether it's any "good" or not, that's what critics are for... (that last sentence was definitely tongue-in-cheek, for those who don't know frank.) /jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David K. Collins" Subject: orb mystery track Date: 27 Aug 1994 13:53:22 -0500 (CDT) I sent this message to Mark Turner the other day. He suggested that I bounce it over to the main list. In orb news, I just recently remembered that I have some orb remix from that brave new waves radio show i mentioned earlier. I mean, a remix I can't identify. It has a woman singing on it. A whole ton o African-style percussion. singing, then it breaks down into something more techno-like & typical orb like then it goes into something like 2 and a half minutes of something classical/concerto. the lyrics say things like "we only have one thing we can say to you: wise-up" and something about authorities "playing star war games". If you do not recognise it, tell me and I'll post this plus full lyric transcription to the orb list. I've gone through the discog and I don't see anything that directly connects with it. Indirectly, I would say Pato Baton's Beams of Light, which is why I'm asking you first. It is a really wicked track. You gotta hear it. I also used to have a 50 minute interview from brave new waves with Dr. Alex. Unfortunately, during one of my moves, I seem to have lost 10 or 12 tapes and that was one. I'm still pissed off about that and it was over 2 years ago! BTW that is the same time that I taped this remix, I just put a copy on two tapes. If anyone knows what the heck the track is, please mail me. As well, if anyone has a copy of the interview, please contact me than-kyu chris clarke ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HETRICK@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU Subject: Pomme Fritz review Date: 28 Aug 1994 01:08:12 -0500 (EST) The following review appears in the most recent (October) issue of KEYBOARD magazine, which I received earlier today. The guy who writes the magazine's album reviews has given favorable reviews to earlier Orb albums ("U.F.Orb" and "Live 93"), so I'm not at all surprised that he liked the new album. Oh, and he (Robert Doerschuk) makes mention of the guitar bits on the first track that I wrote about on here earlier. Still no idea who was responsible for playing these, and I guess no one else on the list has any clues, either.... Anyway, here's the review: =========================================================================== _Pomme Fritz_ weaves what were once irreconcilable styles -- symphonic pop, psychedelic, new age, postmodern, third world rhythms, and a sprinkling of techno -- into complex patterns glistened by textural showers. In "Alles ist Schoen," white noise and filter effects hiss over a world that teems with found sounds and percolating mini-sequences, all in the shadows of a three-chord cycle that floats like clouds through a vast sky. There's humor too, always a hopeful sign in an emerging genre: Listening to "His Immortal Logness," a hopelessly-cheery theme over an intermittent ominous drone, is like doing figure 8Us at a skating rink somewhere uncomfortably close to the maw of a Martian sandworm. And "More Gills Less Fishcakes," a mess of squeaky voices stirred by the churn of what could be an outboard motor or a food processor, comes closer to reflecting the life cycle of a sardine, from seabed to can to marine afterlife, than anything else we've heard. What makes all this work is its homogeneity. These are carefully designed and executed pieces, not haphazard noodlings. In fact, the title cut's kaleidoscopic guitar figures sound like a Jerry Garcia solo, diced to bits but in the end focused tighter than his real-world work with the Dead. It's abstract enough to suit adventurous tastes, yet it goes down easy either as serious listening or as background noise for mainstream types. More important, _Pomme Fritz_ confirms The Orb -- a.k.a., Alex Paterson and friends -- as a phenomenon of growing significance in electronic music. =========================================================================== Neil Hetrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pashdown@xmission.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Woodstock Date: 28 Aug 1994 13:09:50 -0700 >will eventually be playing to stadiums on a regular basis. God help us. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pashdown@xmission.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Network News: newgroup alt.music.orb y quozl@netcom.com Date: 28 Aug 1994 13:09:22 -0700 Quozl "Net Newbie" @netcom.com creates a newsgroup with no CFD with: >For your newsgroups file: > alt.music.orb For fans of the Ambient Techno music group "The Orb". > >This newsgroup is for the discussion of Dr. Alex Paterson & The Orb, one >of the best ambient techno groups around. Thanks for splintering the Orb mailing list and making general Orb discussion on the net a pain in the ass to deal with. If you had any clue whatsoever, you would have researched proper newsgroup creation before engaging upon construction of your own little cesspool. I sincerely hope the quality of discussion in alt.music.orb will be on the level of your own intelligence. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: a small monocotyledon with magical powers Subject: Anyone like The Beloved? Date: 28 Aug 1994 14:44:50 -0500 (CDT) Hey all! I know this has no content respective to the lists, but if anyone out there likes the band, The Beloved, there is a Mailing List out there. There isn't much traffic on it, so I'm trying to recruit new members. To subscribe, send a message to: beloved-request@phoenix.oulu.fi Then politely ask to be added to the list. It is maintained by hand, so you can spare the formalities. Sorry about the lack of content. Peace... Chris ___&___ / \ "I am Homer of Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance | | is futile. Preparation is...MMMmmm...doughnut!" ^^ (o) (o) C ,---_ ) Christopher Garcia For information on A New January | |,___| 727 Higgins producing their digital-electro- | \__/ Macomb, IL 61455-1374 dance music write via email. /_______\ 309.295.7257 Full length cassette available!! /_______/ \ mucrg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu W e s t e r n I l l i n o i s U n i v e r s i t y "Sample it, loop it, fuck it, and eat it." --- PWEI ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John N. Underwood" Subject: morphology for sale Date: 29 Aug 1994 11:23:26 -0400 (EDT) A local record store has the Orb Morphology cd for sale. If anyone wants it, just let me know and I'll pick it up for you. Price=$22+tax+shipping, so let's just call it $25 for anywhere in the US. One condition, though: I want a copy of it! :-) Send email to the address below and not to the list. ====================================================================== John N. Underwood junderw@cs.clemson.edu - http://www.cs.clemson.edu/~junderw/junderw.html ====================================================================== The earlier you fall behind, the longer you have to catch up! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete Hartman Subject: Re: Re: Network News: newgroup alt.music.orb y quozl@netcom.com Date: 29 Aug 1994 11:04:07 -0500 >> Thanks for splintering the Orb mailing list and making general Orb >> discussion on the net a pain in the ass to deal with. If you had any clue >> whatsoever, you would have researched proper newsgroup creation before >> engaging upon construction of your own little cesspool. I sincerely hope >> the quality of discussion in alt.music.orb will be on the level of your own >> intelligence. >Without voicing my own opinions as to whether or not such a newsgroup >should be created, but this is an alt newsgroup. From what >I understand, there is no proper way to create an alt newsgroup. >There are no call for votes, etc. That's why newsgroups like >alt.sex.fetish.aluminum.baseball.bat get created ;). If it were >rec.music.orb, or something similar, then by all means you'd be correct. He's still correct; alt.* groups pull as much discussion as rec.* groups, they just don't get the same propagation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JT Subject: Re: Re: Network News: newgroup alt.music.orb y quozl@netcom.com Date: 29 Aug 1994 13:42:28 -0400 (EDT) > >Without voicing my own opinions as to whether or not such a newsgroup > >should be created, but this is an alt newsgroup. From what > >I understand, there is no proper way to create an alt newsgroup. > >There are no call for votes, etc. That's why newsgroups like > >alt.sex.fetish.aluminum.baseball.bat get created ;). If it were > >rec.music.orb, or something similar, then by all means you'd be correct. > > He's still correct; alt.* groups pull as much discussion as rec.* groups, > they just don't get the same propagation. Yes, they pull the same amount of discussion, but the methodology behind creation is different. CFVs aren't necessary, etc. Charters sometimes aren't even created. Occasionally, newsgroups get created like alt.happy-birthday, and in my previous baseball bat example, do you really think that went through all the formalities? JT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sean Smith Subject: Re: morphology for sale Date: 29 Aug 1994 20:15:06 -0400 (EDT) What is "Morphology"? I'm very gnu to this list and though I have most Orb rCD releases (Adventures, UFOrb, Orb Live 93, and Pomme Fritz (got it today!!!!), I only know of the peel sessions that I still haven't found. Could someone send me a full discography or something? I love this band dearly and need to find everything they have done. Thank you. Sean Smith ssmith@unf6.cis.unf.edu "There is a fine line between genius and insanity...and I am that line..." -Fred White "I love you. I must be crazy. This is crazy. I love crazy. This is good." -Joanne Zysk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lazlo@rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Re: morphology for sale Date: 29 Aug 1994 18:41:39 -0600 (MDT) > What is "Morphology"? The Orb: Morphology -- bootleg remix compilation [1993] CD: 1993 EC (GEMA Records O.R.B. CDMK3 BRO8756) 6:55 Paradise X: 2 Much (start and depart to paradise) 14:00 Keiichi Suzuki: Satellite Serenade (trans-asian express mix) 7:21 Voices of Khwan: Third Whale Trip 4:59 Orb: Reefer Spin in the Galaxy [supernova... remix] 7:11 YMO: Hi-Tech Ambience (ariel implosion mix) 4:02 Mike Oldfield: Sentinel (7" mix) 12:04 YMO: Waterford (a23 diversion mix) 4:05 The Orb: Blue Room (radio edit) 8:34 Haruomi Hosono: Laughter Meditation (the reality of impossible orbjects) 6:01 6:01 ["Orb vs KLF"] :10 [special secret "simpsons" snippet] [Some tracks mislabeled; actual titles above] - -- Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ====================================================================== "Techno techno bloody *techno*, darling!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Magne Fretheim Subject: Aubrey Mixes - Reissue/Orig?? Date: 30 Aug 1994 11:48:01 METDST I just recently bought a copy of Aubrey Mixes, so I was wondering if it is the original or the reissue. In the discography it says: CD: 1991 UK (Big Life BLR CD14) (Int: 511 811-2) [orig.; Nimbus matrix #] CD: 1994 UK (Big Life BLR CD14) (Int: 511 811-2) [reiss; Mayking matrix #] But what is the Nimbus compared to Mayking??? Some help would be nice! Magne. ====================================================================== - - mag_fret@ask.gih.no - - - - Magne Fretheim - Hmmm......? - - - Gjovik College of Engineering - - - - Norway - - ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gg@csd.cri.dk (Grant Goodes) Subject: Some Orb Advice Date: 29 Aug 1994 09:50:58 +0200 I have followed the recent discussion about the "Trace Remixes" bootleg of Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here" with interest, but never thought I would come across this bootleg. Now I have found not only this CD, but another "Trance Remix", this time of "Dark Side of the Moon". Can anyone comment on the relative merits of these two CDs? The DSotM CD is much longer (72+minutes), and I can get either for what passes as regular price here in Denmark (ie. about $US 25), but would probably only buy one of them, given the somewhat ambivalent reviews the WYWH CD has received. I also found a copy of the compilation containing the "Geep" track. Is it worth buying. And even one more release: the Fortran 5 single "Groove", with a couple of Orb remixes. Is this single the greatest thing since sliced bread? I have the "Blues" album, and was never _that_ impressed by it, but am willing to believe that the Orb can make anything better, even Madonna. I await the wisdom of the list (along with an affordable copy of FFWD). grant.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lazlo@rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Some Orb Advice Date: 30 Aug 1994 09:13:11 -0600 (MDT) > And even one more release: the Fortran 5 single "Groove", with a couple > of Orb remixes. Is this single the greatest thing since sliced bread? Yes, but only for the original mix of "Bike", which is laden with Kraftwerk samples not on the album version. The Orb mixes of "Groove" are pretty weak. - -- Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Culf Subject: Re: orb mystery track Date: 30 Aug 1994 18:49:33 GMT > through the discog and I don't see anything that directly connects with > it. Indirectly, I would say Pato Baton's Beams of Light, which is why I'm > asking you first. It is a really wicked track. You gotta hear it. I Which reminds me, the Orb mix of this is now available on a compilation album in the UK, but I don't have the details. I think it might be a 'jungle' compilation, off the mainstream, but I dunno. There was nothing else interesting on it. Culf. ..................................... [http://web.city.ac.uk./~xa321/home.html] On-U Sound discographer & archivist [ftp://ftp.city.ac.uk./pub/on.u.sound] Monochrome administrator (Media And Music) [telnet: mono.city.ac.uk.] "And our ideals will prevail, because we refuse to be: stepping stones that pave the way for a small minority. High ideals and crazy dreams..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Culf Subject: Re: Aubrey Mixes - Reissue/Orig?? Date: 30 Aug 1994 18:53:09 GMT > I just recently bought a copy of Aubrey Mixes, so I was wondering if it is the > original or the reissue. In the discography it says: > > CD: 1991 UK (Big Life BLR CD14) (Int: 511 811-2) [orig.; Nimbus matrix #] > CD: 1994 UK (Big Life BLR CD14) (Int: 511 811-2) [reiss; Mayking matrix #] > > But what is the Nimbus compared to Mayking??? > Some help would be nice! Check around the hole in the middle of your CD, where there is some text printed, like the matrix number, lots of other seemingly random numbers, and either "Nimbus" or "Mayking". The words are the names of the companies who manufactured the CD itself. Culf. ..................................... [http://web.city.ac.uk./~xa321/home.html] On-U Sound discographer & archivist [ftp://ftp.city.ac.uk./pub/on.u.sound] Monochrome administrator (Media And Music) [telnet: mono.city.ac.uk.] "And our ideals will prevail, because we refuse to be: stepping stones that pave the way for a small minority. High ideals and crazy dreams..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) Subject: Re: orb mystery track Date: 30 Aug 1994 18:21:44 -0500 (CDT) David K. Collins" at Aug 27, 94 1:53 pm > From: Culf > Reply-To: Culf > X-Ms-1: Blessed are those who struggle; oppression is worse than the grave > X-Ms-2: It's better to die for a noble cause, than to live and die a slave > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > Sender: owner-orb@xmission.com > Precedence: bulk > > > through the discog and I don't see anything that directly connects with > > it. Indirectly, I would say Pato Baton's Beams of Light, which is why I'm > > asking you first. It is a really wicked track. You gotta hear it. I > > Which reminds me, the Orb mix of this is now available on a compilation > album in the UK, but I don't have the details. I think it might be a It is also on Don't Techno For and Answer Volume One (irs-usa). I'm not sure if this was ever a uk release, but it may help some people stateside who want the track. Just look in any used techno bin at your local cd shop - you'll be sure to find a copy. MC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shredder@ai.mit.edu (Ian) Subject: FOR SALE Date: 31 Aug 1994 00:20:06 EDT FOR SALE: Perpetual Dawn picture disc 12" - $4.50 absorb 12" (a huge ever live / assassin live from live 93) space 12" (BOOTLEG, NOT the original) pomme fritz uk 12" - $5.50 orb in dub 12" little fluffy cloud remixes (import) " " " US 12" w/ coldcut mixes Ones without a price, make an offer ;) SHipping is NOT included, and will be worked out based on # of items purchase. Replies to shredder@ai.mit.edu, NOT to the whole list please ;) ian ====================================================================== Ian - shredder@ai.mit.edu "Don't flee from yourself.. If you have Cheeken! a quality, be proud of it.. Let it define you, whatever it is... " Boston Rave Kru '94 - Hepped up on goofballs and ready to go! The Boston Scene is coming back - The Summer of Dub starts now ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "W. Keenan" Subject: Re: FOR SALE Date: 31 Aug 1994 11:51:48 -0500 (CDT) Here's some bids, i am willing to compete if necessary (especially for the space 12") - On Wed, 31 Aug 1994, Ian wrote: > > FOR SALE: > space 12" (BOOTLEG, NOT the original) What is the current bid at? > orb in dub 12" How does $12.00 sound? > little fluffy cloud remixes US 12" w/ coldcut mixes $15.00?