From: expsrm@cascade.santos.com.au (Simon McGuire) Subject: Babylon and 'ting Date: 01 Dec 1994 10:52:50 -0600 (CST) So whats in the pipeline as far as new Orb (Christmas?) releases go? I figure that if anyone knows it would be someone on this list. By the way, has either Alex or Kris made an appearance on this list (or anywhere else on the 'net) that anyone knows about? I can imagine the day when they play live that they would have a live internet link and grab all sorts of stuff in real time to throw in the aural pot! Imagine if they hacked into a major labels digital archives and did a remix of say Dark Side of the Moon, all while during a live performance!! The Mind Boggles Simon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SHarris27@aol.com Subject: Re: Teilhard de Chardin Date: 01 Dec 1994 02:15:45 -0500 "HAMILL.P" posted: >I have just located 'the phenomenon of man' , by Pierre Teilhard de >Chardin. > ...Escher. I don't have an answer for you on that one, but I have a related book if you're interested in that whole into speech on O.O.B.E. The book is called "Cyberspace: First Steps", edited by Michael Benedikt, The MIT Press, 1992. Michael Benedikt is a professor of architecture at University of Texas, Austin. Besides writing very eloquently about architecture, he's very interested in virtual reality development. His interest goes into all of the "meta-" psychological/sociological aspects of a cyberspace as envisioned by W. Gibson (who contributes a short, abstract story to the book). The point of all this is that the intro to the book (written by Benedikt himself) goes into much of Sir Karl Popper's theory, in which benedikt seeks to demonstrate how Cyberspace is a manifestation of the "3rd World" Popper theorized about years before. Although this doesn't connect directly to The Orb, anybody turned on by the theoretical suggestions of O.O.B.E. will enjoy the read. Steve H. S Harris27@aol.com transmission: 11/30/94 t: 9:45:00 p ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jani Hirvonen Subject: Re: Babylon and 'ting Date: 01 Dec 1994 09:49:46 +0200 (EET) Simon McGuire wrote: > By the way, has either Alex or Kris made an appearance on this list (or > anywhere else on the 'net) that anyone knows about? I can imagine the Check the alt.rave newsgroup. Kris at least used to write a few lines every now and then over there. Dunno if he's doing that nowadays. J. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HETRICK@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU Subject: Worthless Orb News... Date: 01 Dec 1994 03:07:28 -0500 (EST) >So whats in the pipeline as far as new Orb (Christmas?) releases go? >I figure that if anyone knows it would be someone on this list. Hmmm, well, the Jan. 1995 issue of KEYBOARD has a miniscule blurb about another Orb project: "ON DISC. They're an ambient cornucopia: Late in '94 _The_Orb_ -- _Alex_Paterson_ et al -- put yet another solo project in the can. Word is that this is their most ambitious disc to date...." Too bad the 'word' doesn't have much of anything else to say about it.... Neil Hetrick hetrick@wcuvax1.wcu.edu p.s. -- Just got _Morphology_ in the mail yesterday -- a *very* worthwhile purchase, IMO. Also, the 'mechagodzilla' art on the inside cover is pretty darn cool.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Keay Subject: Hi Date: 01 Dec 1994 10:31:30 +0000 (GMT) Hi all, Does anyone know when Orbus Teranus is expected to be realeased? Also, does anyone have ny Orb back catalogue material they want to get rid of? Thanks in advance. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: s55@dec5102.aarhues.dk (Henrik L. Soerensen) Subject: UnSub'ing this list Date: 01 Dec 1994 14:32:26 WET Sorry to post this message on the mailinglist, but i lost the mail 'bout unsubscribing to the list. I'm loosing my account and to be a propper user on the machine i will unsub my mailinglists. E-Mail me direct to spare the mailing list.. Thanks in advance... --------------------------------------------------------------------- . . . Henrik L. Sorensen . . Space Cadet . + College of Information Technology, Aarhues DK . . Hasselager Centervej 17-25 . . 8260 Viby J . + Denmark . Email : s55@aarhues.dk . . . . Where is my Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy? --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Colin Irwin Subject: [none] Date: 01 Dec 1994 18:46:40 +0000 Please send me the daily digest of this list if one exists. - --- Col Yeah, I think Nigel leaving the band is a really bad thing.. ..I'd probably be a lot more upset about it if I wasn't under such heavy sedation. (Derek St. Hubbins) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian_McCausland@mit.bison.mb.ca (Ian McCausland) Subject: Oh please tell me! Date: 01 Dec 1994 08:40:52 -0600 when oh when is the new album coming out? I cant wait any longer........ Pomme fritz make a good soundtrack to reading The Difference Engine By William Gibson and Bruce Sterling.......well I thought so! "indulge me" -Eldon Tyrell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "HAMILL.P" Subject: GOODIES! Date: 01 Dec 1994 17:38:44 BST I HAVE THE FOLLOWING FOR SALE IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED: THE ORB:AUBREY MIXES THE ULTRAWORLD EXCURSIONS (U.S. IMPORT ON CASSETTE) THE ORB:LITTLE FLUFFY CLOUDS (U.S.IMPORT 12"...INCL.DJ'S JOINT DON'T ARGUE MIX,CUMULONIMBUS MIX ETC...) THE ORB:PEEL SESSIONS (CASSETTE) THE APHEX TWIN:ON EP (WHITE LABEL PROMO) THE APHEX TWIN:AMBIENT WORKS 2 (PROMO LP WITH INSERTS) THE ORB:THE VIDEO THE ORB:RUNNING LISTS FROM THE SOUND DESK AT THE POINT DEPOT , DUBLIN 94.IF ANYONE BUYS ANYTHING THEY CAN HAVE IT. THE ORB:TWO FRAMED PRINTS,IN CLASSY BLUE FRAMES (TOWERS OF DUB AND THE BLUE ROOM...AS GIVEN FREE IN LIMITED QUANTITIES OF U.F.ORB) .........ESCHER ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pascal Vincent CALARCO Subject: Re: Hi Date: 01 Dec 1994 12:11:28 -0500 (EST) On Thu, 1 Dec 1994, Michael Keay wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know when Orbus Teranus is expected to be realeased? > Also, does anyone have ny Orb back catalogue material they want to get > rid of? > > Thanks in advance. > > Mike I spoke to ALX briefly at the gig in Montreal w/Lewis, and he mentioned, a) the new album would be about 80 minutes long (not a double album); b) would be out in February or March; c) he expected to be touring to support the album as The Orb next summer. - - pascal - -+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+- Pascal V. Calarco Internet: pcalarco@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Grad. School of Library & Info. Studies GEnie: p.calarco@geis.genie.com McGill University Montreal, Canada - -+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cfraser@islandnet.com (Chris Fraser) Subject: idm/ambient for sale Date: 02 Dec 1994 11:04:46 -0800 Hallo all. Got some muzak for sale. Prices are all in US dollars. Shipping is not included. All items are brand new. Orb-Pomme Frites 12" $13 Aligned Audio Test Pressing 12" $ 5 Church of Extacy-Devil Beats 12" $ 5 Types-A KUDOS Sampler (great idm:) CD $17 Drum Club-Drums Are Dangerous CDS $12 Seefeel-Fracture/Tied CDS $ 8 Richard Kirk-Electronic Eye 2CD $23 V/A-Chill Out Or Die 2 2CD $20 Wagon Christ-Sunset Boulevard CDS $ 8 (nice ambience from rising high artists) System7-Point 3 Water CD $20 System7-Point 3 Fire CD $20 Ken Ishii-Innerelemnts CD $18 Zenith (super ambient from FAX) CD $14 Houdini (more from FAX) CD $13 V/A-Baramundi Sampler CD $11 Psychonavigation (laswell and namlook) CD $14 New Electronica (includes orb track) CD $16 Please be sure to respond in private email and not to the lists. Thank you. Chris Fraser ub141@freenet.victoria.bc.ca cfraser@islandnet.com SL1200's for sale? Let me know. Finger me here for my PGP public key--^ "We have come to the edge of a world which offers us the limits of the accessible, of the unpredictable; it must be possible for something not of this world to find a way through, something that hitherto could not be found by any radio station on this earth. Let us set out to look for it!" K. Stockhausen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "W. Keenan" Subject: No Orb on Future Shock vid!! Date: 03 Dec 1994 16:17:01 -0600 (CST) On Mon, 21 Nov 1994 u91clw@ecs.ox.ac.uk wrote: > >You can order the Future Shock video from MVD music Video Distributos. > >The numbers are (tel) 800-888-0486 or (fax) 610-272-6074 > >The address is 1210 Stanbridge St. Suit 125, Norristown, PA, 19401 > > Future Shock 1993 PRISM LEISURE [PLATV 953] > Run time 52:00 > Future Sound of London - Papua New Guinea > Attic Attack - In the path of the whale > Brian Eno - Fractal Zoom > Banco de Gaia - Soufie > Bureau of Beautiful Information - Sensorium > The Higher Intelligence Agency - Speedlearn > Aphex Twin - Aegosopolis > The Orb - U.F.Orb > G.O.L. - No Bounds > > + Survival kit (natty postcards + "3d"-specs) > > BTW the chap eating the mushroom in the U.F.Orb video is supposedly the > Guardian of the Ultraworld. Hmmm... just recieved "Future Shock" yesterday from MVD for $29-30 - it must be a new version than PLAT 953 since U.F.ORB is not on the video (and there are not any "natty postcards")!! at first i thought that it was due to the fact that when the tape was being put together and coming out, Big Life wasn't very keen on the Orb (and vice versa), so i opened the package and was blown away by some pretty nifty videos - the FSOL and the BdG vids have GREAT visuals, but be warned the Orb is not in the building, good mood tape - if Patterns and Textures is a 10, i'd give Future Shock a 7.5 (way better than your standard MTV crapola... anyone out there have Orb video-tapes they'd like to share?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HETRICK@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU Subject: Re: Fripp & Orb Date: 04 Dec 1994 00:40:19 -0500 (EST) >This weekend, I saw a CD with Robert Fripp & D.A.R. Paterson. The "group" >name was FWD FWD. > >Anyone know anything about it? >Is it any good? This sounds like it might be a sequel to the original FFWD>> disc (someone on the list rumored some time ago that a second 'FFWD' album would come out in January or thereabouts). Could the 'W' in the title of this one mean that Thrash was involved, perhaps (fingers crossed...)? Neil Hetrick hetrick@wcuvax1.wcu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esch@fische.com (Dave Cowen) Subject: Re: Fripp & Orb Date: 03 Dec 1994 00:21:31 -0600 >>This weekend, I saw a CD with Robert Fripp & D.A.R. Paterson. The "group" >>name was FWD FWD. >This sounds like it might be a sequel to the original FFWD>> disc (someone >on the list rumored some time ago that a second 'FFWD' album would come >out in January or thereabouts). Could the 'W' in the title of this one >mean that Thrash was involved, perhaps (fingers crossed...)? Unless I'm horribly mistaken, it sounds like the original FFWD disc. The disc has "FFWD FFWD inta 001 cd" as the text on the spine. Anyone notice the mention of FFWD in this month's Rolling Stone? They mistakenly called "Intermodo" simply "Inter". esch@fische.com (Eschatfische.) ---------------------------- http://execpc.com/~esch/home.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B.A. Schwartz" Subject: New Fripp Album.... Date: 05 Dec 1994 09:01:42 -0800 (PST) Hi everyone... I was just reading the new issue of Mondo 2000 and saw an ad from Virgin Records for a new album called: "DAMAGE" by Sylvian/Fripp "The new live album from two of music's foremost innovators. Recorded onstage in December 1993 featuring music from their first full length album together, THE FIRST DAY. Each CD is 41.5K gold and comes with a deluxe 32-page color booklet. Produced by Robert Fripp and David Botrill Virgin Records, 1994 copyright.... Has anyone seen this or bought this one yet? Just curious! :) _________________________________________________________________ Brad A. Schwartz fine art - design - graphics brads@iea.com _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Skilton Subject: Re: New Fripp Album.... Date: 05 Dec 1994 18:18:42 GMT re Damage. > Has anyone seen this or bought this one yet? Just curious! :) I enquired about it recently in the ambient list - here are some responses I got. from: amesj@MIT.EDU: Most of the CD rocks out. There are a few cuts & a few sections of songs that sort of shimmer with that great Fripp sound , notably Damage, Every Colour You Are & Riverman. The CD is Fripp & Sylvian live during a '93 tour. Michael Brook [plays an infinte guitar] is also in the live line up. If you like Plight & Premonition, you might like Brooks solo CD's. I caught the New York show in the tour and really enjoyed it. Been listening to Loop Gurus 'The Third Chamber' a lot lately. Cheers James Coleman Cambridge USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tntmusic@halcyon.halcyon.com: Subject: Re: New Fripp Album.... Date: 05 Dec 1994 18:18:42 GMT from: Timothy Edwards : Yes, it is wonderful! It is a live album and is guitar driven Fripp with Sylvians melodies, lyrics and vocals. Trey Gunn from King Crimson is on stick and Michael Brook plays infinite guitar. It is not ambient, but a very cool disc. Imagine Fripps, Bowie era style w/ Sylvian writing the material w/ a more complex, structured, song-type of genre than usual for Sylvian. It comes with a 32 page color booklet and the disc is plated with 24 kt. gold. Neat stuff. --T P.S. If you like this, I recommend Wah-Wah by James and Eno. from : Interstellar Groovy Dave : Well, I previewed this album a few weeks ago on my radio show. Sort of weird mix of guitar stuff and vocals. Not anything I'd really consider ambient, or personally something I'd want to listen to. Groovy Dave So there you are. I haven't tried it myself yet...! J ^ +----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+ | James Skilton| James Skilton | James Skilton |James Skilton | |AKA Steady J | AKA Steady J | AKA Steady J | AKA Steady J | +----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: u91clw@ecs.ox.ac.uk Subject: Re: No Orb on Future Shock vid!! Date: 06 Dec 1994 12:32:55 GMT wkeenan@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu wrote: >just recieved "Future Shock" yesterday from MVD for $29-30 - it must be a >new version than PLAT 953 since U.F.ORB is not on the video (and there >are not any "natty postcards")!! at first i thought that it was due to >the fact that when the tape was being put together and coming out, Big >Life wasn't very keen on the Orb (and vice versa), so i opened the >package and was blown away by some pretty nifty videos - the FSOL and the >BdG vids have GREAT visuals, but be warned the Orb is not in the >building, good mood tape - if Patterns and Textures is a 10, i'd give >Future Shock a 7.5 (way better than your standard MTV crapola... Whoaah there, that sounds odd. You'd have thought they'd change the serial no. before they changed the track listing!! Sorry 'bout that, but my version clearly has UFOrb on it, furthermore I have seen this very futureshock UFOrb track on MTV's "Chill Out Zone" crediting this same video you ordered from MVD. hmmm...its a mystery. Is the rest of the track listing the same? Charles Wildig ************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John_A._Thobois@atlmug.org (John A. Thobois) Subject: Anthology II Date: 06 Dec 1994 13:08:05 GMT If anyone is interested, I saw "Anthology II" on CD at a record store in Tallahassee, FL. The name of the store is Vinyl Fever and you can get their # by calling information @ 904-555-1212. I don't remember it being called "Anthology II" but the track listing was identical. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Skilton Subject: Terranus Taster Date: 06 Dec 1994 13:08:05 GMT There is what I can only assume to be a new version of "Plateau" on general release in the UK This is on a triple CD pack called "Serious Road Trip" which appears to have been released in association with Melody Maker in aid of charities doing work in Bosnia. The CD includes a variety of House, Trance, Techno, Ambient artists, some of which I've never heard of, and includes The Orb - Plateau (of normality) btw The third disk is apparently a complete recording of Orbital's live set at Glastonbury, "not to be released anywhere else" I have not bought the disc, but at approx UKP15 it looks pretty good value. J ^ James Skilton aka Steady J - jamess@firefox.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ESCHER." Subject: goodies! Date: 06 Dec 1994 19:44:42 BST ****************************************************************************** THANKS FOR THE ENQUIRYS REGARDING GOODIES...HOPEFULLY EVERYONE HAS RECEIVED A REPLY FROM ME IF NOT GET BACK IN TOUCH. I HAVE SOME MORE BITS N PIECES SOMEPEOPLE MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN: fsol:PAPUA NEW GUINEA 12" INCL.6 MIXES (WEATHERALL + MASSEY) the aphex twin:ambient works vol.1 (r+s) the aphex twin:didgeridoo/analogue bubblebath 12" (r+s) the aphex twin:live at the Leadmill Sheffield/excellent recording off 1fm. fsol :the second essential mix 120mins. speedy j :pepper 12" promo. the orb :close encounters of the ultraworld (bootleg live cd) Happy Xmas PAUL ESCHER. ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Random Access Subject: Re: Jonah Sharp.. (fwd) Date: 06 Dec 1994 15:10:01 -0600 (GMT-0600) This came in on the Ambient list... sorry to all who have to view this 2X. an earlier thread quoted Rolling Stone magazine as claiming that there was going to be an Orb release in Feb '95. This response says the release date for the new release is March 21. - ---====>><><<====--- ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dj Lovegrove Subject: Re: Jonah Sharp.. Date: 06 Dec 1994 15:02:15 -0500 (EST) i just recieved a page of island record's releases for the first quater: the orb is scheduled for release on March 21st-- untitled as of now. i am not sure where rolling stone got there info... maybe they mean the import(?). also from island: feb 28th axiom funk "funkcronomicon", and fini tribe untitled march 21st. jonah sharp is featured in the next issue of Retina... according to astralwerks, is most recent releases: Sea Biscuit Pressure 12" Alien Community 1 & 2 Reagenz (w/ Deep Space Network on Source) Visitatiom (w/ Bill Laswell) Alien Dream Time Speaking in Tongues 12" Fluresence ep (on Reflective) plus tracks on compilations: excursions in ambience 3 (track "floatilla") techno ambient party (french) from here to tranquility (silent, track "2 pro 1") he also has recorded a techno track under the name EMIT ECAPS (space time spelled backwards) i am not sure how rolling stone got 7 new cds.... lg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RETINA fanzine sonic soul productions baltimore, md 410.628.0241 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEVIN EDWARD SMITH Subject: Re: Terranus Taster Date: 07 Dec 1994 10:32:49 +0000 (WET) On 6 xxx 1994, James Skilton wrote: > There is what I can only assume to be a new version of "Plateau" on > general release in the UK > > This is on a triple CD pack called "Serious Road Trip" which appears > to have been released in association with Melody Maker in aid of > charities doing work in Bosnia. > > The CD includes a variety of House, Trance, Techno, Ambient artists, > some of which I've never heard of, and includes > The Orb - Plateau (of normality) > > btw The third disk is apparently a complete recording of Orbital's > live set at Glastonbury, "not to be released anywhere else" > > I have not bought the disc, but at approx UKP15 it looks pretty good > value. > > J > ^ > > > James Skilton aka Steady J - jamess@firefox.co.uk > The cd was available in Melody Maker at 8 pounds 99p for a limited period. The 3rd cd consists only Impact (Live at Glastonbury) although it says Remind on the cd. This track also appeared on Future Tracks, a free tape given away with Select magazine a few months ago. There are a few smart songs on the cd. Contributors include Dust Brothers, The Orb, System 7, Finitribe, Leftfield, Liorock, The Drum Club plus loads of others who I cannot remember. Toodle-pip Kevin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Skilton Subject: KLF Chill Out (Was Re: Volume 1?) Date: 07 Dec 1994 10:32:49 +0000 (WET) > Also, my vote for the best ambient album of all time would have to = be > the KLF's "Chill Out" on Wax Tracks out of Chicago. Last I heard their= > backcatalogue was deleted, but it's worth searching for. Guarateeded. Probably my fave LP of all time. Originally on KLF Communications in UK. = Now available in bootleg form with a bit missing apparently., cause they sque= ezed "Space" on the disc as well. This Album was basically my introduction to ambient. I had bought a compi= lation called "Ambient House" which mostly consisted of soft trancey numbers (including a short mix of the Orbs "Huge ever growing brain" - which didn= 't really impresss me, though it was one of the tracks being hyped and which= helped persuade me to buy the LP). nb See the KLF discography for details= of this LP. But it also contained the original beatless "Last Train to Trancentral" = which I thought was amazing. When I saw "Chill Out" I asked the shopkeeper if it = was like that track, so I bought it. I was blown away by this LP! Forgive me for posting mainly KLF related material to the ORb list. Yes = I do read the KLF list too. Anyone looking for advice on picking up KLF materi= al could do worse than read that list for a while, yourself included, Mr Pre= ssure. J ^ James Skilton aka Steady J - jamess@firefox.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Skilton Subject: Re: Terranus Taster Date: 07 Dec 1994 10:32:49 +0000 (WET) 8< - - - scissors in effect. Kevin wrote: > The cd was available in Melody Maker at 8 pounds 99p for a limited > period. Well you can't read all the mags. bummer. > The 3rd cd consists only Impact (Live at Glastonbury) although it > says Remind on the cd. bizarre > This track also appeared on Future Tracks, a free tape given away > with Select magazine a few months ago. Yeah, some f**ker nicked that from my car along with a load of my own mix= tapes a couple of months back. Never keep anything you remotely value in your = car. It's also on the "Survival 2000" disc I've mentioned. So what's this different mix of "Plateau" like then? J ^ J ^ James Skilton aka Steady J - jamess@firefox.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lazlo@rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: KLF Chill Out (Was Re: Volume 1?) Date: 07 Dec 1994 08:22:53 -0700 (MST) > Probably my fave LP of all time. Originally on KLF Communications in UK. > = Now available in bootleg form with a bit missing apparently., cause > they sque= ezed "Space" on the disc as well. Yeek -- if you want Chill Out, don't buy the bootleg CD with parts missing. The original album is still in print in the US. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Use the Internet Music Wantlists to find rare records and CDs. ::: Email wantlists@rt66.com with HELP on a line by itself in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HETRICK@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU Subject: Orb remix of Global Comm. Date: 07 Dec 1994 09:59:15 -0500 (EST) Does anyone have the Global Communication "Maiden Voyage" CD5 featuring an Orb remix? There are two versions of the single (parts 1 & 2), and I understood that the second features an Orb remix, so I ordered it from Dave at E/R. Well, I just got it in the mail yesterday, and...no Orb remix. Here's the track listing: Global Communication: Maiden Voyage GLOBA 001CD(2) 1. 7'39 (link and e621 appliance of science mix) 2. maiden voyage (grid mix) 3. maiden voyage (brook mix) If someone can confirm that the Orb remix is on the other disc, ie. GLOBA 001CD(1), I'd sure like to know about it.... Thanks. Neil Hetrick hetrick@wcuvax1.wcu.edu p.s. -- It's a pretty good single anyway, even w.out the Orb.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Skilton Subject: KLF Chill Out (Was Re: Volume 1?) Date: 07 Dec 1994 09:59:15 -0500 (EST) > Yeek -- if you want Chill Out, don't buy the bootleg CD with parts miss= ing. > The original album is still in print in the US. I seem to remember that the original US pressing is slightly different = from the UK ,but I think its only that the tracks are indexed instead of one 45 = minute track. Check the KLF FAQ for details, people. J ^ that's enough klf, let's get back to orb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: niemitz@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Orb rmx of Glob.Comm Date: 07 Dec 1994 11:49:08 -0800 Neil Hetrick asked: - --------- Does anyone have the Global Communication "Maiden Voyage" CD5 featuring an Orb remix? There are two versions of the single (parts 1 & 2), and I understood that the second features an Orb remix, so I ordered it from Dave at E/R. ====================================================================== I posted this question earlier in this newsgroup. Someone mentioned that it was not included on the final releases. I posted the same question to the ambient channel and no one responded (though there had been a discussion on GC's album). I did see an ad for the single that explicitly stated an orb mix would be available but made no track listings of the single. In the same magazine (It was a Nov issue of either Face, Q, or Select) the reviewer of the single (again no mention of track listings) stated that the orb remixes were great. I have asked several people but still have received no word about this. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Junebugola@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Re: Volume 1? Date: 07 Dec 1994 21:49:20 -0500 ====================================================================== Forwarded message: Subj: Re: Volume 1? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Junebugola Subject: Fwd: Re: Volume 1? Date: 07 Dec 1994 21:49:20 -0500 > Also, my vote for the best ambient album of all time would >have to be >the KLF's "Chill Out" on Wax Tracks out of Chicago. Last I >heard their >backcatalogue was deleted, but it's worth searching for. >Guarateeded. I have to agree that the "Chill Out" is one of my faves. I have it on CD and vinyl. Also the "Last Train to Trancentral" 12" has a crazee track of varied speed train sounds in KLF style. - -junebug- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Interstellar Groovy Dave Subject: Hmmm... Date: 07 Dec 1994 18:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Orb is remixing some Yello stuff??? Wooo HOOO!!! Does anyone have any info about this? Does anyone know if there is a Yello mailing list... I'm sadly deprived of information about my first love...8-) Groovy Dave ====================================================================== 0 0 *------------* The Official Minisig #1 Collector's Series | |Groovy Dave!| camde933@uidaho.edu \___/ *------------* The Official Groovy Dave Mini-Sig ******************************* Q. Mrs. Smith, do you believe that you are emotionally unstable? A. I should be. Q. How many times have you comitted suicide? A. Four times. ******************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "W. Keenan" Subject: Orb/Glob Comm Date: 07 Dec 1994 20:35:13 -0600 (CST) Neil Hetrick asked: - --------- Does anyone have the Global Communication "Maiden Voyage" CD5 featuring an Orb remix? There are two versions of the single (parts 1 & 2), and I understood that the second features an Orb remix, so I ordered it from Dave at E/R. ====================================================================== from what i've heard (and read) - the orb mix wasn't included because one of the two parties (the orb or global comm) was disappointed with the track... personally i think it was the global comm side that was dissatisfied with it - the orb can truly level a cut when they re-mix it (and improve it ten- or twenty-fold too!)... it'd be nice to know if it exists since that re-mix was supposed to prove the fact that lx and thrash didn't break up! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lazlo@rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Hmmm... Date: 07 Dec 1994 21:09:13 -0700 (MST) > Orb is remixing some Yello stuff??? Wooo HOOO!!! Does anyone have any > info about this? Yeah. It's a "fon mixes/hi tech-no crime" style Yello remix project. > Does anyone know if there is a Yello mailing list... Yello-request@cs.uwp.edu. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Use the Internet Music Wantlists to find rare records and CDs. ::: Email wantlists@rt66.com with HELP on a line by itself in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Lehrer Subject: Re: Orb rmx of Glob.Comm Date: 07 Dec 1994 23:58:37 -0500 (EST) > Neil Hetrick asked: > > --------- > Does anyone have the Global Communication "Maiden Voyage" CD5 featuring > an Orb remix? There are two versions of the single (parts 1 & 2), and > I understood that the second features an Orb remix, so I ordered it from > Dave at E/R. > ------------ I asked this question on, I think, the IDM list, and Ben Middleton (Tom Middleton's [one half of GC] bro) replied that the end of the link&e621 mix was all that remained of the Orb mix. As to why the Orb remix was left off the project, he didn't really say. - - Matthew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: niemitz@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: yello remix Date: 07 Dec 1994 21:46:00 -0800 Groovy Dave writes: Orb is remixing some Yello stuff??? Wooo HOOO!!! Does anyone have any info about this? - -- I read that it will be featured on a full-length cd with remixes of other Yello songs (by other mixologists). - -- niemitz@cats.ucsc.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robot@crl.com Subject: WAU! MR. MODO discog Date: 07 Dec 1994 23:43:59 -0800 (PST) I've been wanting to do this for some time and here it is. It's by far complete, so please mail me corrections/additions. I know it's not net cool to post big files, but it's the first release... I also am not quite sure where it should be left publicly. xmission.com with the orb stuff (lazlo?) or at hyperreal.com with the ambient/idm stuff? You decide. I'll put in stuff like my e-mail address as maintainer when it becomes more complete. I also didn't put in a contact address because WAU is defunct, but maybe I should start adding the InterMODO stuff and put that contact address. Give me some feedback. I hope everyone enjoys it. I slaaaved over it! =) _______________________________________________________________________ * RECORDINGS * * * __ __ _ _ _ * \ \^/ / / \ | |_| | * \_^_/ /_^_\ |_____| * _ * /|\ * /_| \ * /__/ \ * /__| \ * |____\ \ * /_____| | * ___ /_______\ \ ___ \ ) /_________\ \ ( / /_ ------------------- _\ ( MR. MODO ) -------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ | | | * * * * What About Us MR. MODO RECORDINGS * * * * | | * * * * The WAU! Massive List * * * * | \____________________________________________________________________/ ___ \ ) /_ ---------------- ( 12" releases ) ---------------- Artist: STP Twentythree Title: Let Jimi Take Over Cat No: WMS001R Tracks: Let Jimi Take Over (Ultramix One) Artist: Blowfly Title: Blowfly Cat No: MWS005R Tracks: Work Your Body Artist: Georgette Della Rosa Title: D'ya Wanna Cat No: MWS006R Tracks: D'ya Wanna (Italian Ciao Mix) Artist: Georgette Della Rosa Title: D'ya Wanna Cat No: WMS006T (limited edition DJ pre-release) Tracks: 1) Do It (Deep) Mix Ai) Italian (Ciao)! Version Aii) Instrumental Mix Artist: Johnson Dean Title: Somebody Somewhere Cat No: MW5007R Tracks: Somebody Somewhere (Black Country Mix) Artist: Johnson Dean Featuring Linda Law Title: Somebody Somewhere Cat No: WMS007T (limited edition DJ pre-release) Tracks: 1) Black Country Mix Ai) Drumapella Mix Aii) Instrumental Mix Artist: U.K. Black Title: Untouchables Cat No: MWS008T Tracks: Untouchables (Booker's Revenge) Artist: The Orb Title: *Kiss EP Cat No: MWS010T Tracks: Kiss Your Love Kiss Your Love (suck my kiss mix) The Roof Is On Fire Kiss Your Love (ambiorix mix) Artist: The Orb Title: A Huge Evergrowing Pulsating Brain That Rules From The Centre Of The Ultraworld Cat No: MWS017T Tracks: mountain side) loving you (orbital mix) sea side) bucket and spade mix why is six scared of seven? Artist: The Orb Title: Huge Evergrowing (Remix) Cat No: MWS017R (+ white label "radio play single") Tracks: A) orbital dance mix B) orbital radio mix aubry mix mk 2 Artist: Paradise X Title: 2 Much Cat No: MWS019T Tracks: A) Out of This World Mix B1) Mad World Mix B2) Instrumental Mix Artist: Paradise X Title: 2 Much (Remix) Cat No: MWS019R MWS019CD (cd single) Tracks: A) Phuture World B) Start & Depart 2 Paradise Mix Artist: Sun Electric Title: O'locco Cat No: MWS017T Tracks: This side of the wall: 1) Kama Sutra 2) Space Therapy That side of the wall: Orbital Therapy parts 1-4 Artist: Sun Electric Title: O'locco (Revisited) Cat No: MWS017R (promo x500) Tracks: Orbital Therapy parts 5-8 Artist: The Little Fluffy Clouds Title: ? Cat No: MWS023T (promo) Tracks: ? Artist: Baku Title: Desert Fresh Cat No: MWS026T Tracks: a1) Journey To The Source Mix a2) Sinai Bedouin Crossing b1) Jazz Raiders Last Oasis b2) Journeys End (Mirage Of Fusion) Artist: Delcon Title: Superjack Cat No: MWS035R Tracks: orbital infusion 200 Artist: Mystic Knights Title: *Filofunk* Cat No: MWS040T Tracks: 1) Filofunk A) Intensity Artist: Maurizio Title: Ploy Cat No: MWS047T MOR PROMO 1 (yellow vinyl) Tracks: battersea was an island of mud Artist: Suzuki Title: Satellite Serenade Cat No: MWS048T SUZUKI 1 (blue vinyl) Tracks: Trans Asian Express Artist: Apollo XI Title: Peace *In The Middle East* Cat No: APOLLO 11 Tracks: Logo Side) Sea of Tranquility Mix Credit Side) 7" Radio Edit and Is This Really The Orb? Mix Artist: Mystic Knights Title: Ragga-Nam-Poiser Cat No: SUPERB 1 Tracks: waves of tension waves of god moody mix __ \ ) /_ ---------------- ( LP releases ) ---------------- Artist: U.N.C.L.E. 22 Title: The Man From...Freestyle Affair Cat No: WMLP001 Tracks: The Man From... ? Artist: Various Title: Dance Busters Volume One Cat No: WAMLP002 Tracks: 1.1) Johnson Dean - Somebody Somewhere (Black Country Mix) 1.2) U.N.C.L.E. 22 - The MAn From... 1.3) Blowfly - Work Your Body 1.4) U.K. Black - Untouchables (Booker's Revenge) A.1) Georgette Della Rosa - D'ya Wanna (Italian Ciao Mix) A.2) STP Twentythree - Let Jimi Take Over (Ultramix One) A.3) Sound Iration - Dub Seal Part II A.4) Suck My Kiss Mix Artist: readymade Title: uro breaks Cat No: WAMLP004X Tracks: 1.1) stupid (somethimg) 1.2) toxical teutonic 1.3) obsession 1.4) ninos 2.1) see saw (victor) 2.2) up on mars 2.3) strawberries 2.4) latino state 2.5) ambient state Artist: Sound Iration Title: In Dub (Remix) Cat No: MOWLP001 Tracks: Dub Deal Part II ? - -robert _____________________________________________________________ "If BOTH the SAW and the PULSE switches *AudioElectronic* are on, then both sawtooth and pulse waves sonic explorers are selected. This combination creates an extremely fat sound." OB-8 owners manual ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: u91clw@ecs.ox.ac.uk Subject: Re: Orb/Glob Comm Date: 08 Dec 1994 11:36:47 GMT w. Keenan: >from what i've heard (and read) - the orb mix wasn't included because >one of the two parties (the orb or global comm) was disappointed with the >track... personally i think it was the global comm side that was >dissatisfied with it - the orb can truly level a cut when they re-mix it >(and improve it ten- or twenty-fold too!)... it'd be nice to know if it >exists since that re-mix was supposed to prove the fact that lx and >thrash didn't break up! Well it's sure to exist on the promo CD/12" since the record reviews seem to point towards an Orb remix. I get my promos from a local record fair, although I haven't seen this one yet. Charles ***************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: u91clw@ecs.ox.ac.uk Subject: Re: yello remix Date: 08 Dec 1994 15:57:37 GMT Chris Neimitz replies: >>Orb is remixing some Yello stuff??? Wooo HOOO!!! Does anyone >>have any info about this? >-- >I read that it will be featured on a full-length cd with remixes >of other Yello songs (by other mixologists). >-- (from various zines, TV etc..) the album looks to a be a sort of remix best-of to be called "Hands on Yello". The Orb have apparently expressed an interest in remixing the track "You Gotta Say Yes To Another Excess". Never heard it myself... Charles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Skilton Subject: Re: Orb remix of Global Comm. Date: 08 Dec 1994 09:28:31 GMT I just wrote: >There was a whole lot of discussion about this in the ambient list a cou= ple of >weeks back. Actually, it was probably the idm list - I subscribe to both and it's hard to tell the discussions apart sometimes. J ^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: A Gimblett Subject: Re: Clean Production Date: 08 Dec 1994 13:12:08 +0000 (GMT) > A newbie question for sure: What's up with Orbital's first and > second albums? Are they both called 'Orbital'? I saw one recording that > was a two-disc deal, which sported Halcyon (which I've only been able to > find as a single). What was the thing that I saw? I think you may find that this package was Orbital 2 & The Peel Sessions, at least, I have seen this before & it sounds like it could be the one you mean. Anyone out there got it? Is Halcyon on The Peel Sessions (yeah, I know Halycon+on+on is on Orbital 2, but it's *not* the same thing. Did you mean Halcyon or Halcyon+on+on, I wonder)? ====================================================================== A.M.Gimblett@cm.cf.ac.uk | Wakko: Hey, mister, what's this? Andrew Gimblett | Blosky: A vomit bag. Dept. of Computing Maths | Wakko: Ah, poo. I got gypped. There's none in here! UWCC, Cardiff, Wales, UK | -Animaniacs ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Skilton Subject: Re: Orb remix of Global Comm. Date: 08 Dec 1994 13:12:08 +0000 (GMT) > > > Does anyone have the Global Communication "Maiden Voyage" CD5 featuring > an Orb remix? There are two versions of the single (parts 1 & 2), and > I understood that the second features an Orb remix, so I ordered it from > Dave at E/R. > > Well, I just got it in the mail yesterday, and...no Orb remix. Here's > the track listing: > > Global Communication: Maiden Voyage GLOBA 001CD(2) > > 1. 7'39 (link and e621 appliance of science mix) > 2. maiden voyage (grid mix) > 3. maiden voyage (brook mix) > > If someone can confirm that the Orb remix is on the other disc, ie. GLOBA > 001CD(1), I'd sure like to know about it.... > > Thanks. There was a whole lot of discussion about this in the ambient list a couple of weeks back. Apparently the Orb remix "wasn't suitable" for reasons unknown. and supposedly a bit of it remains in the latter section of the e621 remix. J ^ James Skilton aka Steady J - jamess@firefox.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete Hartman Subject: Axiom Ambient Date: 08 Dec 1994 15:59:20 -0600 I just picked up the two CD set _Axiom Ambient_ "Directions in Music Sound Sculptures by Bill Laswell with contributions from Terre Thaemlitz, The Orb, Tetsu Inoue". Each disc is 4 long tracks, which appear to consist of mixing together various original tracks which are listed after each in the liner notes. Thaemlitz and Inoue each get writing credits on a couple of songs, but neither the orb, Weston, or Patterson appear to be credited on anything else. Is most/all/part of this mixed by the Orb then? Anyone know what their contribution is? another possibly related note: the 3rd track on disc 1 has "Praying Mantra (Second Attention)" listed as one of the sub-tracks. Perhaps this is another Orb remix (didn't think that was the title of their Praying Mantra remix), and that's the only reason why they're credited? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Hudak Subject: orb @ the marquis in boulder, co? Date: 08 Dec 1994 14:12:55 ES Hi all, I'm new to the orb list and a relative newcomer to their music. The only album I have at this point is U.F. Orb, but I'm looking to acquire some more. Did anyone catch the recent show at the Marquis in Boulder, CO? My brother went to the club the night of the show expecting to start at 9 pm or something. He was told that the show wouldn't start until 11:30 or so and would really only feature one of the members. (My bro caught them somewhere else in Boulder two years ago and thus turned me on to them.) In any case, he thought it would be wiser to write his term papers. Does the presence of only one member intimate breakup? Is anyone aware of planned club dates in Boston (where I'm from) New York or Connecticut (where I visit often)? Thanks for the "objective contents of thought" context. My bro was curious about that and I fwded the email. +_________________________________________________________________________+ | "Human beings live in a world of meaningful objects-- | | not in an environment of stimuli or self constituted entities." | | --Herbert Blumer , 1969 | | | | Richard Hudak Richard_Hudak@crd.lotus.com HUDAK@bcvms.bc.edu | +_________________________________________________________________________+ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Ruger Subject: Re: Axiom Ambient Date: 08 Dec 1994 23:09:10 -0800 (PST) On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, Pete Hartman wrote: > I just picked up the two CD set _Axiom Ambient_ "Directions in Music > Sound Sculptures by Bill Laswell with contributions from Terre Thaemlitz, > The Orb, Tetsu Inoue". How is this album? Any "sounds like" descriptions would be helpful. Any distinctive Orb sounds? Thanks, Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: niemitz@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: patterns & textures Date: 08 Dec 1994 23:23:15 -0800 I recently spotted the video with cd for $40. I heard it was good (better than evil bro) but is it worth $40 or should I hold out to find it cheaper? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jovian@cs.wisc.edu (Jon Yankovich) Subject: Halcyon+on+on... Date: 09 Dec 1994 09:03:36 -0600 > > A newbie question for sure: What's up with Orbital's first and >> second albums? Are they both called 'Orbital'? I saw one recording that >> was a two-disc deal, which sported Halcyon (which I've only been able to >> find as a single). What was the thing that I saw? > >I think you may find that this package was Orbital 2 & The Peel Sessions, >at least, I have seen this before & it sounds like it could be the one >you mean. Anyone out there got it? Is Halcyon on The Peel Sessions (yeah, >I know Halycon+on+on is on Orbital 2, but it's *not* the same thing. Did >you mean Halcyon or Halcyon+on+on, I wonder)? Wow, I originally posted this to the orbital list, and now it's wandered over here. I believe what I saw _was_ in fact, Halycon+on+on, which facinated me almost enough to buy it... however, the cost defacinated me quickly enough. - -jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fms@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: orb @ the marquis in boulder, co? Date: 09 Dec 1994 10:58:41 EST .Did anyone catch the recent show at the Marquis in Boulder, CO? My .brother went to the club the night of the show expecting to start at 9 .pm or something. He was told that the show wouldn't start until 11:30 .or so and would really only feature one of the members. This was probably just Dr Alex spinning. He played several dates all across the country. As Dr Alex is both an active DJ and a member of the orb, him spinning at clubs should not be construed as a sign that the orb is breaking up. ..As a matter of fact, there was a planned show at Axis on Landsdowne st. ..around the beginning of November. I've heard conflicting stories as to ..whether or not the show actually took place. This happened but, again, it was just the good Dr Alex and DJ Lewis spinning up a storm. I had a lot of fun, but it wasn't a very ambient or orby set. [fletcher] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HETRICK@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU Subject: Re: patterns & textures Date: 10 Dec 1994 11:23:39 -0500 (EST) >I recently spotted the video with cd for $40. I heard it was good (better >than evil bro) but is it worth $40 or should I hold out to find it cheaper? I think that $40 is about the going rate. I got it from Dave at Ear/Rational a few months ago for that price, though I think he now charges $38. I at first thought the video was kinda low-budget-looking, but I like it a lot better now that I've seen it a few times. The "Patterns & Textures" soundtrack CD is definitely a good thing to have, IMO. I certainly wouldn't say that it's musically better than "Live 93," but the sound quality of the recording is far better than that of "Live 93." Neil Hetrick hetrick@wcuvax1.wcu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esch@fische.com (Dave Cowen) Subject: Serious Road Trip Date: 09 Dec 1994 16:57:53 -0600 I finally got my hands on the Serious Road Trip comp today.. indeed, it has tracks by System 7 and The Orb. Here's the pertinent stuff: [The Orb: Plateau] [on Various: The Serious Road Trip] 3xCD: 1994 UK (Melody Maker MCD 11195) 15:43 Plateau (of Normality) [System 7: Desir] [on Various: The Serious Road Trip] 3xCD: 1994 UK (Melody Maker MCD 11195) 8:07 Desir (Live Version) Plateau is credited to Fehlmann, Weston and Paterson, (P) 1993 -- it sounds apparantly a studio version (though there are some static "pops" on the high end), and is similar in "feel" to the first track of Pommes Fritz. It doesn't sound much like its namesake on Live 93 to me, except for the distinctive bassline. Its floaty and nice and it has a clicky 808 drum track similar to the drum track on Pommes Fritz. Desir is credited to Steve Hillage, Lewis Keogh and Miquette Giraudy (P) 1994. It's quite a nice version, very bassy and throbbing, and the sound quality is really good for a live mix. I haven't listened to the rest of the tracks yet, but there are tracks by Laurent Garnier and The Drum Club, both collaborators on the new System 7 releases. esch@fische.com (Eschatfische.) ---------------------------- http://execpc.com/~esch/home.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HETRICK@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU Subject: Re: Orb remix of Global Comm. Date: 10 Dec 1994 17:35:45 -0500 (EST) On the subject of an Orb remix on one of those two Global Communication "Maiden Voyage" CD5's... >> I understood that the second features an Orb remix, so I ordered it from >> Dave at E/R. >> >> Well, I just got it in the mail yesterday, and...no Orb remix. Here's >> the track listing: >> >> Global Communication: Maiden Voyage GLOBA 001CD(2) >> >> 1. 7'39 (link and e621 appliance of science mix) >> 2. maiden voyage (grid mix) >> 3. maiden voyage (brook mix) >> >> If someone can confirm that the Orb remix is on the other disc, ie. GLOBA >> 001CD(1), I'd sure like to know about it.... >> >> Thanks. > >There was a whole lot of discussion about this in the ambient list a couple of >weeks back. Apparently the Orb remix "wasn't suitable" for reasons unknown. >and supposedly a bit of it remains in the latter section of the e621 remix. I emailed Dave about this, and he thought that the "link and e621 appliance of science mix" was in fact the Orb remix, or at least contained some sort of an Orb contribution. The CD5 liner notes read "track 1 re-mixed by link & e621 thanks to the wascully webels kwith and thomuth the funky hedgehog." Link is another pseudonym for Tom Middleton & Mark Pritchard (Global Comm.), but I've no idea what e621 means. I think Dave said something to the effect that 'kwith' was Kris Weston (and maybe LX is that 'funky hedgehog', then?), but I may have misunderstood him.... Neil Hetrick hetrick@wcuvax1.wcu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris.Hilker" Subject: Re: Orb remix of Global Comm. Date: 10 Dec 1994 19:04:06 -0800 (PST) >Link is another pseudonym for Tom Middleton & Mark Pritchard (Global Comm.), >but I've no idea what e621 means. e621 is another pseudonym for Middleton and Pritchard. :) On their second release on Evolution (the Auto Reload EP), two of the tracks were credited to "Reload e621," according to the discography at their web site. C. - -- (Chris.Hilker) cspot@hyperreal.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher William Niemitz Subject: Re: Orb remix of Global Comm. Date: 10 Dec 1994 18:21:07 -0800 (PST) On Sat, 10 Dec 1994 HETRICK@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU wrote: > > > On the subject of an Orb remix on one of those two Global Communication > "Maiden Voyage" CD5's... > > >> I understood that the second features an Orb remix, so I ordered it from > >> Dave at E/R. > >> > >> Well, I just got it in the mail yesterday, and...no Orb remix. Here's > >> the track listing: > >> > >> Global Communication: Maiden Voyage GLOBA 001CD(2) > >> > >> 1. 7'39 (link and e621 appliance of science mix) > >> 2. maiden voyage (grid mix) > >> 3. maiden voyage (brook mix) > >> > >> If someone can confirm that the Orb remix is on the other disc, ie. GLOBA > >> 001CD(1), I'd sure like to know about it.... > >> > >> Thanks. > > > >There was a whole lot of discussion about this in the ambient list a couple of > >weeks back. Apparently the Orb remix "wasn't suitable" for reasons unknown. > >and supposedly a bit of it remains in the latter section of the e621 remix. > > > I emailed Dave about this, and he thought that the "link and e621 appliance > of science mix" was in fact the Orb remix, or at least contained some sort > of an Orb contribution. The CD5 liner notes read "track 1 re-mixed by link > & e621 thanks to the wascully webels kwith and thomuth the funky hedgehog." > > Link is another pseudonym for Tom Middleton & Mark Pritchard (Global Comm.), > but I've no idea what e621 means. I think Dave said something to the effect > that 'kwith' was Kris Weston (and maybe LX is that 'funky hedgehog', then?), > but I may have misunderstood him.... > > > Neil Hetrick > hetrick@wcuvax1.wcu.edu > > > I had wondered this myself when I first popped the question (perhaps in the orb or ambient newsgroups). But every response has suggested otherwise (ie. that the orb mixes were deleted). I had wondered because I wasn't familiar with anyone (except the grid and michael brook) who did the mixes. I also have picked up a green vinyl 12" that has a "jedi knights" mix on it (by the jedi knights). I think the review that I read (November's Face or Q or Select) mentioned this mix when talking about the orb mixes of the song. However this mix does not sound at all like it was done by t"the Orb" (unless you include that geep track on new elctronica, which, if I remember correctly might be a little like this mix). So maybe they are using aliases on remixes that are not at similar to their other work? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: niemitz@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Suzuki Date: 11 Dec 1994 02:04:19 -0800 I just got done listening to Suzuki (transasian express mix). I have the CD single and it sounds like early on in this version there is a flaw. Is this actually a flaw in the master or when it was manufactured? There's nothing wrong with the tracking. Is this just a part of the mix or was it recorded from the vinyl? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Lehrer Subject: Re: Orb remix of Global Comm. Date: 11 Dec 1994 11:11:31 -0500 (EST) On Sat, 10 Dec 1994, Christopher William Niemitz wrote: > I had wondered this myself when I first popped the question (perhaps in > the orb or ambient newsgroups). But every response has suggested > otherwise (ie. that the orb mixes were deleted). I had wondered > because I wasn't familiar with anyone (except the grid and michael > brook) who did the mixes. I also have picked up a green vinyl > 12" that has a "jedi knights" mix on it (by the jedi knights). > I think the review that I read (November's Face or Q or Select) > mentioned this mix when talking about the orb mixes of the song. > However this mix does not sound at all like it was done by > t"the Orb" (unless you include that geep track on new elctronica, > which, if I remember correctly might be a little like this mix). > So maybe they are using aliases on remixes that are not at > similar to their other works. "Jedi Knights" is the latest Pritchard/MIddleton moniker. They are to release a new album on the recently formed Clear label entitled _May the Funk be With You_ under this name. I suppose it will be for their funker, jazzier tracks, but that's just speculation on my part. :) - - Matthew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fms@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Orb remix of Global Comm. Date: 11 Dec 1994 11:23:57 EST More speculation... ... The CD5 liner notes read "track 1 re-mixed by link . & e621 thanks to the wascully webels kwith and thomuth the funky hedgehog." It could be our friends kwith weston and thomuth fehlmann. didn't i read in some interview that they went crazy over sega's sonic the hedgehog and played it all the time while working on ffwd or some such? [fletcher] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) Subject: Survival 2000 Date: 11 Dec 1994 11:24:14 -0600 (CST) I can't remember if this has been brought up before but there is a semi-new comp. out with a System track on it called Survival 2000. The System 7 track is "Quest" (Moon mix) and appears to be unreleased up until this point. The track is great and the rest of the comp is wicked as well (unreleased tracks by Drum Club, Dread Zone, The Grid (Global Communications Mix), Trans-Global Underground, Moby, Loop Guru, and a few others - oh yeah, and a new track by Meat Beat Manifesto). I've seen it quite a few times now so it must not be that hard to find. Find it and Buy it. MC ====================================================================== | Mark B. Conklin (MC) | "I must be of some use to somebody. I mean there | | mbconkli@ilstu.edu | must be a reason for me ... right? - T. Russell | ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esch@fische.com (Dave Cowen) Subject: Re: Survival 2000 Date: 10 Dec 1994 11:41:19 -0600 >I can't remember if this has been brought up before but there is a semi-new >comp. out with a System track on it called Survival 2000. The System 7 track is >"Quest" (Moon mix) and appears to be unreleased up until this point. Nope. Quest (Moon Mix) is on the UK Sinbad/Quest single, which has been out for some time now. esch@fische.com (Eschatfische.) ---------------------------- http://execpc.com/~esch/home.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) Subject: Re: Survival 2000 Date: 11 Dec 1994 12:05:19 -0600 (CST) Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 11:41:19 -0600 > To: orb@xmission.com > From: esch@fische.com (Dave Cowen) > Subject: Re: Survival 2000 > Sender: owner-orb@xmission.com > Precedence: bulk > > >I can't remember if this has been brought up before but there is a semi-new > >comp. out with a System track on it called Survival 2000. The System 7 track is > >"Quest" (Moon mix) and appears to be unreleased up until this point. > > Nope. Quest (Moon Mix) is on the UK Sinbad/Quest single, which has been My bust. On the Survival 2000 it is listed as clocking in at 8:25 instead of the shorter 6:43 version, so I thought it was a bit extended. I doubled checked by listening to it and it only played for 6:45. A slight misprint on their part and a hastey mistake on mine. MC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "W. Keenan" Subject: Re: orb @ the marquis in boulder, co? Date: 11 Dec 1994 19:25:08 -0600 (CST) On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, Kurt Knauth wrote: > >Is anyone aware of planned club dates in Boston (where I'm from) New York or > >Connecticut (where I visit often)? > > As a matter of fact, there was a planned show at Axis on Landsdowne st. > around the beginning of November. I've heard conflicting stories as to > whether or not the show actually took place. > > On the same note, last month my roomates spotted an ad for Dr. LX spinning > in Dallas. Are there any reports of a trip to "Space Center" Houston? (no > pun intended.) > could someone in the know do us all the bestest little favor and post a partial/full list of the club dates and locations that lx and lewis will bespinning (if they are still touring and spinning)?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "W. Keenan" Subject: Axiom Ambient 'n' the Orb Date: 11 Dec 1994 22:28:26 -0600 (CST) the orb contributiuon to Laswell's "Lost In Translation" Axiom Ambient sampler (as far as i could tell) is that Las mixed in parts of the orb's "praying mantra mix" (from material's mantra) into "Aum" (cut 3 on CD 1)... "Aum" is a 17:37 track that is broken down into: "Soul Searcher" "Praying Mantra (Second Attention)" "Tarab Scan" "Ritual In Transfigured Time" i'm not a really big Laswell fan, but a friend of mine who's a diehard Las supporter says that the "break-down titles" of the Axiom tracks are all either the actual or slightly-altered names to different tracks Las has worked on.... [hence Mantra --> Praying Mantra (Second Attention)] so, I'm glad I have a dubbed copy of Axiom Ambient and also the actual mixes the orb did of "Mantra"... [Material: Mantra] 12": 1993 UK (Axiom/Island 12 AXM 1) (Int: 862 395-1) [Jul 1993] CD5: 1993 UK (Axiom/Island AXMCD 1) (Int: 862 395-2) [Jul 1993] 16:58 Mantra (praying mantra mix) [The Orb] [Material: Mantra] [on Various: Excursions In Ambience - The Second Orbit] CD: 1993 US (Astralwerks/Caroline ASW AV6105-2) [29 Oct 1993] 11:20 Mantra (praying mantra mix edit) [The Orb] [Material: Mantra] [on Various: Trance Europe Express] 4xLP: 1993 UK (Total Record Company...) 2xCD: 1993 UK (Total Record Company TEEX CD 1) 5:16 Mantra (praying mantra mix edit) [The Orb] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Skilton Subject: Re: Suzuki (and Electrotete) Date: 11 Dec 1994 22:28:26 -0600 (CST) niemitz wrote: > I just got done listening to Suzuki (transasian express mix). I have = the > CD single and it sounds like early on in this version there is a flaw. > Is this actually a flaw in the master or when it was manufactured? > There's nothing wrong with the tracking. Is this just a part of the > mix or was it recorded from the vinyl? You mean the bit in the intro where it sounds like the CD repeating itsel= f about 8 times? This is present on the original 12" as well as the Ao CD, = I guess either it's meant to be there or its an error in the master. By the way, the B-side of the original 12" I mentioned seems to be a remi= x of Electrotete's "I Love You" not of "Rainforest Serenade". Is this a mispre= ssing? an Orb joke? or what? (It's not the same as any of the other mixes of "I = Love You" which I have (3 on 12" and one on the Apollo comp) J ^ James Skilton aka Steady J - jamess@firefox.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Conor Patrick Long Subject: [none] Date: 12 Dec 1994 12:00:02 EST who orb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: u91clw@ecs.ox.ac.uk Subject: Best Orb Track Date: 12 Dec 1994 12:25:52 GMT OK. Here's the top-ten Orb tracks as voted by yourselves: 1. Blue Room i.(40 minute version) ii.(Frank de Wulf) iii.(Radio 7) iv.{U.F.Orb} 2. Outlands i.(Fountains of Elisha) ii.{Adventures Beyond...} iii.(glastonbury 26 june 1993){Live 93} 3. Towers of Dub i.{U.F.Orb} ii.(parts 1 & 2) {Patterns and Textures} Assassin i.(the oasis of rhythms mix) ii.(live orbient 6 september 1993){Live 93} 4. A Huge Ever-Growing...(loving you) i.{Peel Sessions} ii.(aubrey mix mk 11) iii.(orbital mix) [original ambient house mix] 5. Perpetual Dawn i.(ultrabass ii) ii.(solar flare extended) iii.{Patterns and textures} 6. Majestic i.{U.F.Orb} Into the 4th Dimension i.(Essenes in Starlight) ii.{Adventures Beyond The Ultraworld} 7. Star 6,7,8 & 9 i.{Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld-2CD} ii.{Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld-CD} 8. Little Fluffy Clouds i.(cumulonimbus mix) ii.(tokyo 2 july 1993){Live 93} 9. Close Encounters i.{U.F.Orb} 10. Earth (Gaia) i.{Adventures Beyond The Ultraworld} OK, so there are 12 not 10...anyway. This was the most voted-for category, the others were less conclusive, and will be compiled later. (It's hard work you know :) Charles ***************************** and remember... "A small tree set in the corner of the room and adorned with decorations, baubles and coloured-lights, makes an ideal Christmas decoration." _ Viz Top Tips ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Norman Subject: [none] Date: 13 Dec 1994 20:32:31 GMT Hi, just a short message to introduce myself. My name is Gavin Norman, and I'm currently studying Artificial intelligence at Essex university. I've liked The orb for about two years now, ever since hearing Blue room, but I've only recently started to really get into ambience. The other night on the radio (the chill out zone, on Radio 1) I heard the Aubrey mix of Little fluffy clouds, and I thought it was complete ruination. I've heard of the Aubrey mixes CD and wanted to know if this CD is anything like the mix I heard. While on the subject of the radio, about two weeks before the release of Pomme fritz I heard the end of a track played on Radio 1 by John Peel, and he said it was off The orb's new album. But when I bought the album, I didn't recognize the track. I think it was possibly a different mix of We're pastie to be grill you, but I'm not sure. Does anyone else remember this track? Is there a remix CD of Pomme fritz that the track might have come from? (By the way I just love Pomme fritz, even more so than Adventure beyond ultraworld.) Well, see ya. Gavin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robot@crl.com Subject: WAU! correction Date: 13 Dec 1994 22:48:29 -0800 (PST) While updating the WAU! massive discography I noticed a serious error. I mistakenly typed the wrong matrix number of the Sun Electric - O'locco single. Here's the correction. Artist: Sun Electric Title: O'locco Cat No: MWS020T Tracks: This side of the wall: 1) Kama Sutra 2) Space Therapy That side of the wall: Orbital Therapy parts 1-4 Artist: Sun Electric Title: O'locco (Revisited) Cat No: MWS020R (promo x500) Tracks: Orbital Therapy Parts 5-8 Sorry about that. - -robert _____________________________________________________________ "If BOTH the SAW and the PULSE switches *AudioElectronic* are on, then both sawtooth and pulse waves sonic explorers are selected. This combination creates an extremely fat sound." OB-8 owners manual ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: u91clw@ecs.ox.ac.uk Subject: Best Orb Release Date: 14 Dec 1994 11:38:06 GMT As voted by you: 1. Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld <--- clear winner 2. U.F.Orb 3. Blue Room 4. Live 93 5. Peel Sessions 6. Pomme Fritz 7. Assassin 8. Aubrey Mixes 9. Little Fluffy Clouds 10. Perpetual Dawn Charles ***************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mikero@zebedee.roundabout.org Subject: Re: Radio 1 Orb Date: 14 Dec 1994 17:15:44 +0100 (GMT) > > Gavin Norman : > >While on the subject of the radio, about two weeks before the release of > >Pomme fritz I heard the end of a track played on Radio 1 by John Peel, > >and he said it was off The orb's new album. > > You can get details of anything played by John Peel on BBC teletext the > following monday. Small consolation now I know, but its a good source of > info, since he's always weeks ahead. > Further to this, John Peel is occasionally known to write up his track listings onto the Web pages under http://www.bbcnc.org.uk/, His playlists for november can be found at: http://www.bbcnc.org.uk/bbctv/radio1/JPeel_top.html. and session information is there somewhere as well. Regards, Mike - -- mikero@zebedee.roundabout.org Mike Rogers 'You put the aliens in the middle of this stuff and you have *all* the answers' - "Implant", Eat Static ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bobby Tribble Subject: Andy Falconer Date: 14 Dec 1994 23:42:38 -0800 (PST) After hearing good things about it, I was looking around CDNow (telnet cdnow.com, for those who are interested - I have no experience with these guys myself however... =) and among a bunch of "unavailable" stuff I want (Morphology and uh, other stuff =) was listed Falconer. I hadn't heard of this album before so I looked in the discog, and it's a self-titled album by Andy Falconer. Problem is, I don't remember the name from anywhere... what's his connection with the Orb? Thanks... - - Bobby Tribble ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Ward Subject: Orb tour 1995 Date: 15 Dec 1994 09:55:01 GMT In the NME published yesteday (14/12/94), there was a half page advert for the Orb's next UK tour. Titled the "Happy happy joy joy tour" it visits about 15-20 venues in february and march (I think). So I guess we can expect an album roundabout then. Jase ps. there was also a fab'n'groovy Dust Brothers tape covermounted on it, so it's worth getting really On now: Air Conditioning by Building ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pashdown@xmission.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: Suzuki Date: 12 Dec 1994 18:45:35 -0700 >I just got done listening to Suzuki (transasian express mix). I have the >CD single and it sounds like early on in this version there is a flaw. >Is this actually a flaw in the master or when it was manufactured? >There's nothing wrong with the tracking. Is this just a part of the >mix or was it recorded from the vinyl? Is that where you get the looping before the glass crash? It is from the master. Its supposed to be that way. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kareem Dright Subject: Re: NY or Philly stores ??? Date: 12 Dec 1994 19:08:13 -0500 (EST) > I am going to the East Coast and would appreciate any info > people have on good stores in either New York City or > the Philadelphia are (or in the Lehigh Valley, which is > where I'll be staying). I am particularly interested > in stores that might have a good selection of imports > or used CDs, CD singles, and 12"singles (particularly > used 12"s) of the following genres: ambient & World > music (esp. dub &/or dance oriented), house, trance, "idm", > acid jazz (though I dont want to spend much time > in predominantly rap or hip hop shops). > If you have any info please email me: > also could you e-mail me with any stores in new york or philly? kareem dright kjdright@minerva.cis.yale.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: niemitz@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: NY or Philly stores ??? Date: 12 Dec 1994 12:17:36 -0800 I am going to the East Coast and would appreciate any info people have on good stores in either New York City or the Philadelphia are (or in the Lehigh Valley, which is where I'll be staying). I am particularly interested in stores that might have a good selection of imports or used CDs, CD singles, and 12"singles (particularly used 12"s) of the following genres: ambient & World music (esp. dub &/or dance oriented), house, trance, "idm", acid jazz (though I dont want to spend much time in predominantly rap or hip hop shops). If you have any info please email me: niemitz@cats.ucsc.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher William Niemitz Subject: Re: Suzuki (and Electrotete) Date: 12 Dec 1994 11:02:49 -0800 (PST) On 12 xxx 1994, James Skilton wrote: > niemitz wrote: > > I just got done listening to Suzuki (transasian express mix). I have the > > CD single and it sounds like early on in this version there is a flaw. > > Is this actually a flaw in the master or when it was manufactured? > > There's nothing wrong with the tracking. Is this just a part of the > > mix or was it recorded from the vinyl? > > You mean the bit in the intro where it sounds like the CD repeating itself > about 8 times? This is present on the original 12" as well as the Ao CD, I > guess either it's meant to be there or its an error in the master. > No, that's not what I meant. On my CD version there is a glitch 34 seconds into the song, in the middle of the word "uncomfortable." Someone emailed me to say that this was not on the vinyl. does anyone else with the CD have the same glitch? - --- niemitz@cats.ucsc.edu On now: FFWD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Bush Subject: Re: Your mail; Orb on Radio 1 Date: 14 Dec 1994 10:56:00 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 13 Dec 1994, Gavin Norman wrote: > > Hi, just a short message to introduce myself. My name is Gavin Norman, and I'm > currently studying Artificial intelligence at Essex university. I've liked The orb for > about two years now, ever since hearing Blue room, but I've only recently started > to really get into ambience. > > The other night on the radio (the chill out zone, on Radio 1) I heard the Aubrey mix > of Little fluffy clouds, and I thought it was complete ruination. I've heard of the > Aubrey mixes CD and wanted to know if this CD is anything like the mix I heard. > > While on the subject of the radio, about two weeks before the release of Pomme > fritz I heard the end of a track played on Radio 1 by John Peel, and he said it was > off The orb's new album. But when I bought the album, I didn't recognize the track. I > think it was possibly a different mix of We're pastie to be grill you, but I'm not sure. > Does anyone else remember this track? Is there a remix CD of Pomme fritz that the > track might have come from? (By the way I just love Pomme fritz, even more so > than Adventure beyond ultraworld.) > > Well, see ya. > > Gavin. I taped two of the tracks (of the three) that Peel played, and I'm 99.9% sure that they were album tracks from "Pomme Fritz". I will re-check and post to the list in a few weeks, when I get home (where the tape is). Cheerio! ------ Groove On. ------ John Bush. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Brown Subject: Orb split confirmed Date: 12 Dec 1994 07:50:31 -0800 (PST) Speaking of the Orb, private email from Kris Weston confirms that he has left the Orb and also has nothing more to do with Alex's Inter-Modo label. That's all the details I know. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Shah Subject: Re: your mail Date: 13 Dec 1994 17:17:40 -0800 (PST) The AUbrey Mixes can be (to some extent) be fairly represented by the Little Fluffy Clouds mix. It has a lot more beats in general. Spanish Castles in Space (Goa Mix) is fantastic. I bought mine for $20 (which at the time neatly made me give birth :) but I have never been more pleaseed with a purchase. However, I still think Ultraworld is better than Pomme Fritz -- but thats a holy war kind of argument so I think I'll drop it now. :) - -Steveoid - -- ________________________________________________________________________________ Steve Shah (sshah@cs.ucr.edu) | "Faster the music, better the code." -DJ Thumper WWW: http://cs.ucr.edu/~sshah | "But nonsense has a welcome ring..." -R.E.M ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "But telling a tale cannot be like living it." -Information Society ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Geraint Cooksley Subject: Orb Tour Date: 15 Dec 1994 17:18:13 Yes I saw that about the tour, the only date I can remember is Sheffield Octagon 25th February. Tickets are on sale now (stlg11, stlg12.50 in London), I have ticket No.1 for Sheffield :-) Thanks, Geraint. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Random Access Subject: Ren & Stimpy in Dub? Date: 15 Dec 1994 08:45:55 -0600 (GMT-0600) > In the NME published yesteday (14/12/94), there was a half page > advert for the Orb's next UK tour. Titled the "Happy happy joy joy > tour" it visits about 15-20 venues in february and march (I think). > So I guess we can expect an album roundabout then. Have Kris and LX ever used Ren & Stimpy samples? I don't recall anything from either studio or live sessions. I once heard that used a few Simpsons samples in live shows, but never Ren and Stimpy. Just wonderin' about the name of the tour (which is the name of a classic song from the R&S show) There might be legal action if permission was not first cleared with Ren & Stimpy owners, Nickelodeon. Though, that is just a guess on my part. And who is LX using to replace Kris? On Now: Ren & Stimpy You Eediot! Go away, can't you see I'm flossing my toes! Over and out... ___ - + + / | | * ____ | + ----- \ / /--| | \ / | + --- ------ \ |----- -- |______ --- / /| | | ----- / / | /\ * * * *| \ / /\----| \/ |/ \ | --- / \___| * * * * GSS/GAT D P--/+ C++ !1 U E++ M**** S+/+ N+ H-- !F+ G+ W+ T+ R- Y?/-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Bennett Subject: Re: Andy Falconer Date: 15 Dec 1994 12:40:55 -0800 (PST) Bobby Tribble said :: > > After hearing good things about it, I was looking around CDNow (telnet > cdnow.com, for those who are interested - I have no experience with these > guys myself however... =) and among a bunch of "unavailable" stuff I want > (Morphology and uh, other stuff =) was listed Falconer. I hadn't heard > of this album before so I looked in the discog, and it's a self-titled > album by Andy Falconer. Problem is, I don't remember the name from > anywhere... what's his connection with the Orb? Falconer collaborated/remixes/was in the studio on some of the Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld tracks, and perhaps a few others. Get that cd, _Falconer_. Oh my. I like it very much. It's an older release, and you may have difficulties finding it now. Nice textured ambient pieces. I remember one track with a baby 'gurgling' or whatever babies do that was particularly cool. Andrew - -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com Andrew's Page ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stos Subject: Re: Orb Tour Date: 15 Dec 1994 16:21:50 -0500 (EST) Are the OrB expected to do any tours in the U.S. anytime soon? Do they ever? I know that they played at Woodstock but I was wondering if they frequented the States at all... thanks - -stos ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Random Access Subject: Stop me if you think you've heard this one before... Date: 15 Dec 1994 16:32:28 -0600 (GMT-0600) Guess what folks?... Scrounging around and about town I ran into, yet again, a NEW Peel Session. Once again, I'm selling a copy, still in the shrink wrap with the price tag. you know the routine by now, if you want it drop me a note with a bid, min of $14 I deleted all the bids I got in last time, so if you bided with me before please do so again. Molly at AOL, you had the second highest bid, so if you still want it send me a note. - -=-=-=-=->>Ran<<=) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Let It Snow. (enough to cancel my early classes)" Subject: Re: Ren & Stimpy in Dub? Date: 15 Dec 1994 17:54:43 EST >Have Kris and LX ever used Ren & Stimpy samples? Woodstock '94, they closed their first set with a sample of the "Log" theme. Actually, brings up two questions. 1. (obvious question) Anyone got a bootleg of the Orb's Ravestock set(s) 2. Anyone know if there's any connection to Ren & Stimpy via His Immortal Logness? thanx - -Neil knvo@maristb.marist.edu http://brewery.stu.marist.edu/ ====================================================================== "Tell me why / don't we try Not to break our hearts and make it so hard on ourselves?" -Pet Shop Boys, So Hard ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "W. Keenan" Subject: tour + break-up Date: 15 Dec 1994 17:23:31 -0600 (CST) > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 07:50:31 -0800 (PST) > From: Mike Brown > Subject: Orb split confirmed > > Speaking of the Orb, private email from Kris Weston confirms that he has > left the Orb and also has nothing more to do with Alex's Inter-Modo > label. That's all the details I know. > > Mike wow - weston leaves a private e-mail that is not obnoxious? i don't believe it... i want to see a cut 'n' paste of said message to see a "real" confirmation... ====================================================================== > Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:55:01 GMT > From: Jason Ward > Subject: Orb tour 1995 > > In the NME published yesteday (14/12/94), there was a half page advert > for the Orb's next UK tour. Titled the "Happy happy joy joy tour" it > visits about 15-20 venues in february and march (I think). So I guess we > can expect an album roundabout then. > > Jase could someone please post a list of tour-dates or will the tour only happen for the "with-it" NME readers?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robot@crl.com Subject: Re: Stop me if you think you've heard this one before... Date: 15 Dec 1994 17:17:22 -0800 (PST) On Thu, 15 Dec 1994, Random Access wrote: > you know the routine by now, if you want it drop me a note with a > bid, min of $14 Pardon me for thinking this whole scenario a bit greedheaded, but since it is a new CD and the guy just bought it... Isn't he pushing this bidding war to make a profit off of people not as conveniently geologically located as he? If he were a true fan he should be happy to sell it at purchase price as to share the vibe... I see stuff that I already own all the time. I don't buy it and say, "OK the biggest sucker can have it for the right price!" No I just forward the info as a good tip to those who would benefit and appreciate it just as I would. Oh well. - -robert _____________________________________________________________ "If BOTH the SAW and the PULSE switches *AudioElectronic* are on, then both sawtooth and pulse waves sonic explorers are selected. This combination creates an extremely fat sound." OB-8 owners manual ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Ghost of the Alien that Obi-Wan killed in the Bar on Tattoine Subject: Re: Stop me if you think you've heard this one before... Date: 15 Dec 1994 21:15:45 -0500 (EST) Capitalism. You can choose to fight it or you can flow with it. Right now, fighting it doesn't do much good......maybe soon :) (devious laughter...) On Thu, 15 Dec 1994 robot@crl.com wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Dec 1994, Random Access wrote: > > > you know the routine by now, if you want it drop me a note with a > > bid, min of $14 > > Pardon me for thinking this whole scenario a bit greedheaded, but since > it is a new CD and the guy just bought it... Isn't he pushing this > bidding war to make a profit off of people not as conveniently > geologically located as he? If he were a true fan he should be happy to > sell it at purchase price as to share the vibe... > > I see stuff that I already own all the time. I don't buy it and say, "OK > the biggest sucker can have it for the right price!" No I just forward > the info as a good tip to those who would benefit and appreciate it just > as I would. > > Oh well. > > -robert > _____________________________________________________________ > "If BOTH the SAW and the PULSE switches *AudioElectronic* > are on, then both sawtooth and pulse waves sonic explorers > are selected. This combination creates an > extremely fat sound." OB-8 owners manual > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: someguy in VoR Subject: Re: Stop me if you think you've heard this one before... Date: 15 Dec 1994 20:00:25 -0800 (PST) On Thu, 15 Dec 1994, The Ghost of the Alien that Obi-Wan killed wrote: > Capitalism. You can choose to fight it or you can flow with it. Right > now, fighting it doesn't do much good......maybe soon :) (devious > laughter...) arg, I hoped I would never see this on the net, or even THIS list. I agree, if it was me, I would simply tell the peoples what the album was, where I found it and a p# to call. Just because the world around us is trying to turn the net into what Television has become(speaking from a U.S. point of view) doesn't mean you have to fall prey to it. Andy freeside@netcom.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jan-erik Bullett Subject: Re: tour Date: 16 Dec 1994 10:51:31 PST > could someone please post a list of tour-dates or will the tour only > happen for the "with-it" NME readers?? Well they`re playing sheffield on Saturday th` 22nd of Feb .........Yahoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jan-erik Bullett Subject: Re: Suzuki (and Electrotete) Date: 16 Dec 1994 11:01:32 PST On Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:02:49 -0800 (PST) Christopher William Niemitz wrote: > From: Christopher William Niemitz > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:02:49 -0800 (PST) > Subject: Re: Suzuki (and Electrotete) > To: James Skilton > Cc: ambient@hyperreal.com, orb@xmission.com > > On 12 xxx 1994, James Skilton wrote: > > > niemitz wrote: > > > I just got done listening to Suzuki (transasian express mix). I have the > > > CD single and it sounds like early on in this version there is a flaw. > > > Is this actually a flaw in the master or when it was manufactured? > > > There's nothing wrong with the tracking. Is this just a part of the > > > mix or was it recorded from the vinyl? > > > > You mean the bit in the intro where it sounds like the CD repeating itself > > about 8 times? This is present on the original 12" as well as the Ao CD, I > > guess either it's meant to be there or its an error in the master. > > > > No, that's not what I meant. On my CD version there is a glitch > 34 seconds into the song, in the middle of the word "uncomfortable." > Someone emailed me to say that this was not on the vinyl. does > anyone else with the CD have the same glitch? > --- > niemitz@cats.ucsc.edu > > On now: FFWD > Well my CD of ORB LIVE 93 / 39 EVIL BRO has a jumpy bit on CD 1, about track 3 and 4. I returned it and the replacement does the same. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: u91clw@ecs.ox.ac.uk Subject: Re: Orb tour 1995 Date: 16 Dec 1994 13:38:02 GMT >> In the NME published yesteday (14/12/94), there was a half page advert >> for the Orb's next UK tour. Titled the "Happy happy joy joy tour" it >> visits about 15-20 venues in february and march (I think). So I guess we >> can expect an album roundabout then. >> >could someone please post a list of tour-dates or will the tour only >happen for the "with-it" NME readers?? Orb [strange new egyptian? font] Happy Happy Joy Joy Tovr 1995 [no typing mistake] Monday 20th February LEEDS TOWN AND COUNTRY 9pm-2am Tuesday 21st February NEWCASTLE MAYFAIR 9pm-2am Wednesday 22nd February GLASGOW BARROWLANDS 9pm-2am Thursday 23rd February LIVERPOOL UNIVERSITY 9pm-2am Friday 24th February MANCHESTER APOLLO 7pm-12am Saturday 25th February SHEFFIELD OCTAGON 9pm-2am Monday 27th February LEICESTER DE MONTFORT HALL 9pm-2am Wednesday 1st March PLYMOUTH PAVILION 9pm-2am Thursday 2nd March SOUTHAMPTON GUILDHALL 9pm-2am Friday 3rd March CAMBRIDGE CORN EXCHANGE 9pm-2am Saturday 4th March WOLVERHAMPTON CIVIC HALL 9pm-2am Sunday 5th March CARDIFF UNIVERSITY 7pm-11pm Monday 6th March BRIGHTON CENTRE 9pm-2am Wednesday 8th March Friday 10th March LONDON FORUM (kentish town) 9pm-2am Tickets GBP11 except London GBP12.50 Cheers, Charles ***************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ESCHER." Subject: well? Date: 16 Dec 1994 15:05:30 BST Could someone in "the know" put me out of my misey and tell me if there are any plans for The Orb to arrive in Ireland... Any time they do play it is never advertised along with the rest of the dates in the press...... Escher... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cameron@felixstowe.em.slb.com (Doug Cameron) Subject: pomme fritz Date: 16 Dec 1994 15:37:51 GMT I would love to know what everyone thinks of pomme fritz. People talk of it quite favourably on this list but I never bought it because the reviews at the time put me off. Any help appreciated. Doug. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Norman G J Subject: Re: Pomme fritz Date: 16 Dec 1994 18:38:50 GMT > I would love to know what everyone thinks of pomme fritz. People talk of it > quite favourably on this list but I never bought it because the reviews at > the time put me off. Any help appreciated. > > Doug. Personally I'm a great fan of Pomme fritz, and would recommend that any Orb fan buy it. (And it only costs around 8 pounds.) It's not quite as good as UF Orb, and tracks 3 and 6 are VERY strange (I only listen to them once in a while), but track 1 (meat 'n veg) and track 5 (alles ist schoen) are classic ambience. Although it was released as a "little album", I think it's definitely only a single, as tracks 1,2,4 and 5 (& possibly 3) are all mixes of the same song. In conclusion: BUY IT! Gavin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "W. Keenan" Subject: Re: tour Date: 16 Dec 1994 10:51:35 -0600 (CST) On Fri, 16 Dec 1994, . wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Dec 1994, Jan-erik Bullett wrote: > > > > could someone please post a list of tour-dates or will the tour only > > > happen for the "with-it" NME readers?? > > > > Well they`re playing sheffield on Saturday th` 22nd of Feb > > .........Yahoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo > > > Could you tell me when they are playing london.......! look - let's stop wasting all this bandwith with "when will the orb be playing...?" posts!! why doesn't someone that has a copy of the NME with freakin' "orb tour" ad just take up 2 minutes of their precious time and type it in!!! we know sheffield, can we have the rest of the dates? those that might be planning on making a europeon jaunt in the future want to know when a good time to go will be... sheesh!! still wondering if lx is doing any US club dates... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Fonda Subject: Re: Stop me if you think you've heard this one before... Date: 16 Dec 1994 13:09:21 TZ | From: robot@crl.com | Subject: Re: Stop me if you think you've heard this one before... | | On Thu, 15 Dec 1994, Random Access wrote: | | > you know the routine by now, if you want it drop me a note with a | > bid, min of $14 | | Pardon me for thinking this whole scenario a bit greedheaded, but since | it is a new CD and the guy just bought it... Isn't he pushing this | bidding war to make a profit off of people not as conveniently | geologically located as he? If he were a true fan he should be happy to | sell it at purchase price as to share the vibe... Yep...it is pretty crappy. I could understand maybe charging a dollar or two for your time, but this bidding thing is lame. Telnet to cdconnection.com You can order The Orb: Peel Sessions for $12.56 + $5.00 s/h. The $5.00 for shipping/handling is a flat charge whether you order 1 CD or 10, so you may want to look around...selection is pretty good actually. The take credit cards/checks and I've ordered from them before with no problem. Happy Hunting! Greg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Let It Snow. (enough to cancel my early classes)" Subject: Re[2]: Pomme fritz Date: 16 Dec 1994 16:37:12 EST >Although it was released as a "little album", I think it's definitely only >a single, as tracks 1,2,4 and 5 (& possibly 3) are all mixes of the same song. I never thought of that. I noticed the similarities, especially the samples that keep recurring (like the Spud beer one). But, not being too familiar with remixes of Orb works, I didn't really pick up on it. The only songs I've heard more than about 2 mixes of are Star 6&789 and Assassin, and with Assassin I noticed that they tend to pull more obscure bits from one mix to use in the others...as opposed to more 'normal' remixers who at least make the remixes identifiab;e as a mix of the original track...well, usually. personally, I don't think Pomme Fritz is up to the usual work of the Orb. It feels kind of like they're trying to cram 2 discs worth of material into half a disc of space. - -Neil knvo@maristb.marist.edu http://brewery.stu.marist.edu/ ====================================================================== "Oh god it's raining / but I'm not complaining It's filing me up with new life. The stars in the sky / Bring tears to my eyes They're lighting my way / Tonight" -depeche mode, but not tonight ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: freak.kathy@mail.utexas.edu (kathy russell) Subject: Re: orb @ the marquis in boulder, co? Date: 17 Dec 1994 02:19:36 -0600 somebody posted something about the orb (well, probably just lx. now) spinning in Texas. I have never gotten a chance to see a live appearance when they were together and now I would REALLY like to see at least lx. ! Did I miss it? If anybody hears if it's going down please please let me know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kathy Russell freak. kathy@mail.utexas.edu ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Random Access Subject: Re: Stop me if you think you've heard this one before... Date: 16 Dec 1994 10:22:35 -0600 (CST) Flames should be private, but since this has gone public already I feel that I must respond to the entire list. I'm sorry if this seems like a rehash of flames past, but I feel that I must respond to these acusations. On Thu, 15 Dec 1994 robot@crl.com wrote: > On Thu, 15 Dec 1994, Random Access wrote: > > you know the routine by now, if you want it drop me a note with a > > bid, min of $14 > Pardon me for thinking this whole scenario a bit greedheaded, but since > it is a new CD and the guy just bought it... Isn't he pushing this > bidding war to make a profit off of people not as conveniently > geologically located as he? No, I'm not in this for the profit. I am in the only person on this list who lives in the Saint Louis area. No one else could have bought the disc. If he were a true fan he should be happy to > sell it at purchase price as to share the vibe... I have in the past, and will in the future, continue to sell items at cost to me. And for the record, I have no bids as of yet. I am willing to sell this item at cost. The CD cost $10.98 with tax the prices rises to about $12 with first class postage it goes up another $2 more to $14. I am not one of those poeople who charge extra for postage in auctions, it seems rather silly to me. And BTW, since I work in a library I have access to nice padded mailers for free, and so I charge less than people who make you pay $1.50 for a mailer. $14 to have a brand new, rare, Orb live recording CD delivered to your door is a nice deal. I am not price gouging, I am willing to do this for no profit on my part (I get nothing for my time and effort, as some people charge for) I think that is fair. > I see stuff that I already own all the time. I don't buy it and say, "OK > the biggest sucker can have it for the right price!" No I just forward > the info as a good tip to those who would benefit and appreciate it just > as I would. I would like to point out, and next time please check before you open your mouth that: 1. I am the only one in the Saint Louis area. 2. This store, Best Buy, basically sells ovens, washers, dryers and speeakers. They do not do any mail-order business of any kind. 3. I have in the past and will continue to bid for rare items in acutions. If I really want an item, I will find the money to pay the market price for it. IfI do not have the money, then I'll work overtime, as a sometimes due to pay for my rare Orb goodies. If I am not willing to work ovetime or fork over the cash for the market price, I thus don't value the item as much as others. The person who bids the most should get the item as he/she values it most. I fail to see, why rare items should be given away at low price to someone who just happens to be on-line at the right time, that is in essense, a lottery system. This item is rare, up until a few weeks ago I had never seen it new. If someone really want is they will find a way to pay the market price. 4. As for sharing for the vibe, it is a well known fact around these parts that for a blank tape and postage I will make a copy of anything I have in my large collection. I have also traded with many members of this list, the total number being well into the double digets. If you were on the KLF list last year you would have known that when I got a copy of K Cera Cera, I made copies to anyone who sent me postage and a blank tape. You do not have a monopoly of being self-righteous. I consider myself a list member in good standing, who is doing a favor to other list members. If I make some profit in the process, so be it. It is the best allocation system around. As for the system of first come first serve, I think it sucks and I have been screwed out of many things because I was not lucky enough to be on-line at the right time (Assasin 2CD set, numerous instances of the March issue of VOX. etc...) I consider this syetem unfair and cruel. Until the time as you devise an allocation system that is better than the price system, please keep your mouth shut. Over and out... ___ - + + / | | * ____ | + ----- \ / /--| | \ / | + --- ------ \ |----- -- |______ --- / /| | | ----- / / | /\ * * * *| \ / /\----| \/ |/ \ | --- / \___| * * * * GSS/GAT D P--/+ C++ !1 U E++ M**** S+/+ N+ H-- !F+ G+ W+ T+ R- Y?/-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Random Access Subject: All Apologies.... Date: 17 Dec 1994 22:15:55 -0600 (CST) What else should I be? Wiling to sell the disc for $14 What else could I say? Didn't know. What else could I write? Well, you're reading it... > Yep...it is pretty crappy. I could understand maybe charging a dollar or > two for your time, but this bidding thing is lame. > Telnet to cdconnection.com > You can order The Orb: Peel Sessions for $12.56 + $5.00 s/h. > The $5.00 for shipping/handling is a flat charge whether you order 1 CD or This the first I have ever heard of this service And the first time it has been mentioned on this list, as far as I can remember. Obviousally, an auction would be very stupid, as the disc is not as rare as I thought it was. I still have the New Peel Session on my desk. Anybody with a grand total of $14 can have it delivered to your door, if not it goes back to the store. Up until a few weeks ago I had never seen this disc new, only used for $20+. When I found two copies, and so many people wanted it, I as much assumed it was hard to find [Lord knows, I searched everywhere for it before I found it new a few weeks ago]. And yes, I did check this is *not* a reissue, the same catalog number exists DE18119-2. One last thrust of the knife before I kneal over to die from wounds to my crippled ego: Had the Peel Session been as rare as I thought it was, my actions would have been totally justified. - ---==--==--<>--==--==--- ...all in all is all we are... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris.Hilker" Subject: Re: All Apologies.... Date: 17 Dec 1994 23:00:24 -0800 (PST) >> Telnet to cdconnection.com > > This the first I have ever heard of this service And the first >time it has been mentioned on this list, as far as I can remember. Kell Dockham mentioned it on 16 May 1994: KD>> Are the Logic versions of Assassin and Blue Room still available? KD> KD>The Blue Room one is. Try Compact Disc Connection, even. and Kelly Thomas Money mentioned it on 7 Aug 1994: KTM>Its out already - use telenet and go to cdconnection.com - Its all KTM>ready to be bought! Your friendly neighborhood trainspotter, C. - -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) ...electro-spiritual in composition... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pascal Vincent CALARCO Subject: Re: Stop me if you think you've heard this one before... Date: 18 Dec 1994 03:09:45 -0500 (EST) On Fri, 16 Dec 1994, Random Access wrote: > No, I'm not in this for the profit. I am in the only person on > this list who lives in the Saint Louis area. No one else could have > bought the disc. I'm sure its for sale elsewhere in Canada or the U.S. > If he were a true fan he should be happy to > > sell it at purchase price as to share the vibe... > > I have in the past, and will in the future, continue to sell items > at cost to me. And for the record, I have no bids as of yet. I am > willing to sell this item at cost. The CD cost $10.98 with tax the prices > rises to about $12 with first class postage it goes up another $2 more to > $14. I am not one of those poeople who charge extra for postage in > auctions, it seems rather silly to me. Your express intention was not to sell it at cost, it was to sell the item to the highest bidder. If you bought the extra item to sell to other people on the list, then why did you not say that you only wanted cost for it in the first place? And BTW, since I work in a library > I have access to nice padded mailers for free, and so I charge less than > people who make you pay $1.50 for a mailer. So what? The library is paying for it essentially. > I would like to point out, and next time please check before you > open your mouth that: > 3. I have in the past and will continue to bid for rare items in > acutions. If I really want an item, I will find the money to pay the > market price for it. IfI do not have the money, then I'll work overtime, > as a sometimes due to pay for my rare Orb goodies. If I am not willing to > work ovetime or fork over the cash for the market price, I thus don't > value the item as much as others. The person who bids the most should get > the item as he/she values it most. I fail to see, why rare items should > be given away at low price to someone who just happens to be on-line at > the right time, that is in essense, a lottery system. This item is rare, > up until a few weeks ago I had never seen it new. If someone really want > is they will find a way to pay the market price. You are contradicting yourself here. First you say that you are willing to accept cost for it, and now, "market price." Where exactly do you stand? > 4. As for sharing for the vibe, it is a well known fact around > these parts that for a blank tape and postage I will make a copy of > anything I have in my large collection. I have also traded with many > members of this list, the total number being well into the double > digets. If you were on the KLF list last year you would have known > that when I got a copy of K Cera Cera, I made copies to anyone who > sent me postage and a blank tape. You do not have a monopoly of being > self-righteous. I consider myself a list member in good standing, who is > doing a favor to other list members. If I make some profit in the > process, so be it. It is the best allocation system around. Just get your story straight. Don't try to backpeddle and be the 'upstanding list member' when you do want to make a profit. Just be truthful, and that's all that's necessary. If you want to go into the record selling business, I'm not sure this is the best forum for it. If you want to trade between music fans, cool, and keep it between music fans . > As for the system of first come first serve, I think it sucks and > I have been screwed out of many things because I was not lucky enough to > be on-line at the right time (Assasin 2CD set, numerous instances of the > March issue of VOX. etc...) I consider this syetem unfair and cruel. > Until the time as you devise an allocation system that is better > than the price system, please keep your mouth shut. > Price system is fine, but if you *didn't* want to depart with said disc for cost, *DON'T POST IT TO THE LIST* . Not trying to have an argument, just trying to get some perspective, Pascal - -+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+- Pascal V. Calarco Internet: pcalarco@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Grad. School of Library & Info. Studies GEnie: p.calarco@geis.genie.com McGill University Montreal, Canada - -+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B.A. Schwartz" Subject: Re: All Apologies.... Date: 18 Dec 1994 08:34:46 -0800 (PST) On Sat, 17 Dec 1994, Random Access wrote: > Up until a few weeks ago I had never seen this disc new, only used > for $20+. When I found two copies, and so many people wanted it, I as > much assumed it was hard to find [Lord knows, I searched everywhere for it > before I found it new a few weeks ago]. And yes, I did check this is > *not* a reissue, the same catalog number exists DE18119-2. I have to agree with Mr. Access, I have been looking for the Peel Sessions for about three years now and have NEVER come across one new or even used, so I found the auction a way that I could obtain a copy of this album. Although I probably did pay an exorbitant price for the thing, Mr. Access did included a copy of Orb Bits and offered to make a dub tape from the many cd/s and tapes in his collection. So...I feel the money I paid was well spent. _________________________________________________________________ Brad A. Schwartz fine art - design - graphics brads@iea.com _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Random Access Subject: Re: Stop me if you think you've heard this one before... Date: 18 Dec 1994 13:20:52 -0600 (CST) > I'm sure its for sale elsewhere in Canada or the U.S. I'm sure it is on sale *somewhere*, but how are people going to get there? Or find out where that place is? And does this imaginary place do mail order? Besides, sightings of this item NEW are rare. Barry Schwartz, the guy I sold the Peel session to, he had never seen it, ever. Simply because and item exists somewhere, doesn't mean people can get to it. I am providing a service to felloe Orb fans. > Your express intention was not to sell it at cost, it was to sell the > item to the highest bidder. If you bought the extra item already own, I assume> to sell to other people on the list, then why did > you not say that you only wanted cost for it in the first place? I did. See above. Please exlpain to me how can I sell ONE item at cost when I have SEVERAL pople who want it at that price? I have in the past, and will continue to in the future sell items at cost, when only person or a friend wants them. If several people want the item, I will sell the item through the auction system. > > I have access to nice padded mailers for free, and so I charge less than > > people who make you pay $1.50 for a mailer. > So what? The library is paying for it essentially. You missed my point. That is why I'm charging $14 and not $15.50, as other poeple would. > You are contradicting yourself here. First you say that you are willing > to accept cost for it, and now, "market price." Where exactly do you stand? With only one person wanting an item, I sell at my cost. If I have a few people who want an item than it goes into acution mode. I'm sorry if I didn't make this point clearly in my earlier post. > Just get your story straight. Don't try to backpeddle and be the > 'upstanding list member' when you do want to make a profit. Just be As I have said since day 1, I don't need to make a profit in order to sell a rare item. But if several people want an item, either the price needs to go up or it goes to the first person. As I have earlier stated, I perfer the first method because the second is not fair. > truthful, and that's all that's necessary. If you want to go into the > record selling business, I'm not sure this is the best forum for it. If I don't in the slightest want to enter the record selling field. Besides, if I wanted to make money I'd go work overtime. Assumeing I was a complete greedy asshole out to make a buck at everybody else's expense, what would my profit on this transaction be? Including the cost of the disc, finding it the store, waiting in line at the post office during peak X-Mass season, dealing with hastles of flamers and deluge of mail.... This is not the best way to make money. Sorry but the profit margins are not that great. The hastles are not worth it. > you want to trade between music fans, cool, and keep it between music > fans . Since it was reasonable to predict more than two requests for this rare item at such a low price, I went into auction mode. As I said before, I never do first come first serve. How else could I deal with multiple requests at a given price? Let the price rise. > Price system is fine, but if you *didn't* want to depart with said disc > for cost, *DON'T POST IT TO THE LIST* . I was, as alwyas, willing to sell and item for no profit. Go re-read my orignal post. But if a few people want the same item at the given price, how do I decide who gets it? Pradon me if this sounds like a Broken record, but I feel that my actions were jusified. Maybe I didn't make my point clearly on my orignal post, but still everyone is acting like I'm clubbing baby seals and acting like some greed-crazed imperalist from hell.. Christ this is the last time I'll offer to sell someone on-line on this list. One final question: Why me? Why now? When I sold the first Peel Session a few weeks back, I don't hear a peep from anyone. There was that guy from UPenn who had a big list of *only* auctioned items (didn't even offer to sell at cost, and yes I did buy from him), and there were no public flames. Just wondering why everyone is picking on me? - --==-->>Ran ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Ghost of the Alien that Obi-Wan killed in the Bar on Tattoine Subject: Re: Stop me if you think you've heard this one before... Date: 18 Dec 1994 15:14:56 -0500 (EST) Shut the hell up with the damn flames alrea=C7=EBI=BC On Sun, 18 Dec 1994, Pascal Vincent CALARCO wrote: > On Fri, 16 Dec 1994, Random Access wrote: >=20 > > =09No, I'm not in this for the profit. I am in the only person on=20 > > this list who lives in the Saint Louis area. No one else could have=20 > > bought the disc. >=20 > I'm sure its for sale elsewhere in Canada or the U.S. >=20 > > If he were a true fan he should be happy to=20 > > > sell it at purchase price as to share the vibe... > >=20 > > =09I have in the past, and will in the future, continue to sell items > > at cost to me. And for the record, I have no bids as of yet. I am > > willing to sell this item at cost. The CD cost $10.98 with tax the pri= ces > > rises to about $12 with first class postage it goes up another $2 more = to > > $14. I am not one of those poeople who charge extra for postage in > > auctions, it seems rather silly to me. >=20 > Your express intention was not to sell it at cost, it was to sell the=20 > item to the highest bidder. If you bought the extra item already own, I assume> to sell to other people on the list, then why did= =20 > you not say that you only wanted cost for it in the first place? =20 >=20 >=20 > And BTW, since I work in a library > > I have access to nice padded mailers for free, and so I charge less tha= n > > people who make you pay $1.50 for a mailer.=20 >=20 > So what? The library is paying for it essentially. =20 >=20 > > =09I would like to point out, and next time please check before you=20 > > open your mouth that: >=20 > > =093. I have in the past and will continue to bid for rare items in > > acutions. If I really want an item, I will find the money to pay the > > market price for it. IfI do not have the money, then I'll work overtim= e, > > as a sometimes due to pay for my rare Orb goodies. If I am not willing= to > > work ovetime or fork over the cash for the market price, I thus don't > > value the item as much as others. The person who bids the most should = get > > the item as he/she values it most. I fail to see, why rare items shoul= d > > be given away at low price to someone who just happens to be on-line at > > the right time, that is in essense, a lottery system. This item is rar= e, > > up until a few weeks ago I had never seen it new. If someone really wa= nt > > is they will find a way to pay the market price. >=20 > You are contradicting yourself here. First you say that you are willing= =20 > to accept cost for it, and now, "market price." Where exactly do you sta= nd? >=20 > > =094. As for sharing for the vibe, it is a well known fact around=20 > > these parts that for a blank tape and postage I will make a copy of=20 > > anything I have in my large collection. I have also traded with many= =20 > > members of this list, the total number being well into the double=20 > > digets. If you were on the KLF list last year you would have known=20 > > that when I got a copy of K Cera Cera, I made copies to anyone who=20 > > sent me postage and a blank tape. You do not have a monopoly of being= =20 > > self-righteous. I consider myself a list member in good standing, who = is=20 > > doing a favor to other list members. If I make some profit in the=20 > > process, so be it. It is the best allocation system around. >=20 > Just get your story straight. Don't try to backpeddle and be the=20 > 'upstanding list member' when you do want to make a profit. Just be=20 > truthful, and that's all that's necessary. If you want to go into the=20 > record selling business, I'm not sure this is the best forum for it. If= =20 > you want to trade between music fans, cool, and keep it between music=20 > fans . >=20 > > =09As for the system of first come first serve, I think it sucks and=20 > > I have been screwed out of many things because I was not lucky enough t= o=20 > > be on-line at the right time (Assasin 2CD set, numerous instances of th= e=20 > > March issue of VOX. etc...) I consider this syetem unfair and cruel.= =20 > > =09Until the time as you devise an allocation system that is better=20 > > than the price system, please keep your mouth shut. =20 > >=20 >=20 > Price system is fine, but if you *didn't* want to depart with said disc= =20 > for cost, *DON'T POST IT TO THE LIST* . >=20 > Not trying to have an argument, just trying to get some > perspective, >=20 > Pascal=20 >=20 > -+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t= +--+t+- > Pascal V. Calarco Internet: pcalarco@binkley.cs.mc= gill.ca > Grad. School of Library & Info. Studies GEnie: p.calarco@geis.genie.c= om > McGill University > Montreal, Canada > -+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t+--+t= +--+t+- >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robot@crl.com Subject: Re: All Apologies.... Date: 18 Dec 1994 13:23:00 -0800 (PST) ARG!!! STOP CC'ING ME ON THIS THREAD!!!! ====================================================================== "If BOTH the SAW and the PULSE switches are on, sonic explorers \ then both sawtooth and pulse waves are selected. \ This combination creates an extremely fat sound." OB-8 manual ---- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pascal Vincent CALARCO Subject: Re: Stop me if you think you've heard this one before... Date: 18 Dec 1994 16:36:28 -0500 (EST) On Sun, 18 Dec 1994, Random Access wrote: > Pradon me if this sounds like a Broken record, but I feel that my > actions were jusified. Maybe I didn't make my point clearly on my > orignal post, but still everyone is acting like I'm clubbing baby seals > and acting like some greed-crazed imperalist from hell.. > Christ this is the last time I'll offer to sell someone on-line > on this list. > > One final question: > Why me? > Why now? > When I sold the first Peel Session a few weeks back, I don't hear > a peep from anyone. There was that guy from UPenn who had a big list of > *only* auctioned items (didn't even offer to sell at cost, and yes I did > buy from him), and there were no public flames. > Just wondering why everyone is picking on me? > > --==-->>Ran Me, personally, because I just finished the school term and therefore have been paying more attention to the list, and I've thought about this one. It's nothing personal against you, per se, Ran. I just hate seeing profiteering from something we all really dig -- the music. In thinking about this one, I guess you're right -- the best way to handle such things is for bidding. I just don't want the list to turn out to be some alt.music.orb.auction-hall or something. Pascal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Interstellar Groovy Dave Subject: Ran Mano Date: 18 Dec 1994 14:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Please, stop this flaming of a decent member of this list, and a personal friend of mine. I'm sad that i only noticed this today (one of the disadvantages of the digest) and I'm irritated that he is being attacked for doing an auction. A True Fan (tm) would be more than happy to send me Live '93 for free seeing as how i'm a DJ and Groovy Dave. A True Fan (tm) would be broke if they wanted to sell an item and weren't getting at least retail, plus some. This is the fact of life for auction items. In fact, seeing as how some businessmen are True Fan's (tm), they should just drop their business ethics, and run right out and supply me with all the orb goodies I can get. (Hey Dave, are you falling for this yet?) Ran Mano has been a wonderful source of rare materials, asking only to be compensated in a fair manner. As such, I take exception to someone's whining about him attempting to auction an item. If you don't have this item, then put up some money...and please stop your puerile flames. Groovy Dave ====================================================================== 0 0 *------------* Dave's Mini Sig #1 Collect the Whole Series | |Groovy Dave!| camde933@uidaho.edu \___/ *------------* The Official Groovy Dave Mini-Sig ******************************* Hail to the Sun God! He is a Fun God! Ra, Ra, Ra! -- seen on a BBS ******************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Pitblado Subject: Re: Ran Mano Date: 18 Dec 1994 15:23:24 -0800 (PST) > > Please, stop this flaming of a decent member of this list, and a > personal friend of mine. I'm sad that i only noticed this today (one of > the disadvantages of the digest) and I'm irritated that he is being > attacked for doing an auction. > > A True Fan (tm) would be more than happy to send me Live '93 for > free seeing as how i'm a DJ and Groovy Dave. > > A True Fan (tm) would be broke if they wanted to sell an item and > weren't getting at least retail, plus some. This is the fact of life for > auction items. > > In fact, seeing as how some businessmen are True Fan's (tm), they > should just drop their business ethics, and run right out and supply me > with all the orb goodies I can get. (Hey Dave, are you falling for this > yet?) > > Ran Mano has been a wonderful source of rare materials, asking > only to be compensated in a fair manner. As such, I take exception to > someone's whining about him attempting to auction an item. If you don't > have this item, then put up some money...and please stop your puerile flames. > > > Groovy Dave > Bravo!!! And could somebody please send me a copy of all the stuff they send Mr. Groovy? Ran is in fact a very nice guy. I sent him a tape a while back and he sent me a copy of the K Foundation song, as well as a few b-sides from some other bands. As for those of you who want to keep this thread alive, don't. I have bought the Peel Sessions disc from Ran. Too bad for you. Jeff ubon@mcl.ucsb.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Interstellar Groovy Dave Subject: Re: Ran Mano Date: 18 Dec 1994 15:46:28 -0700 (PDT) > Bravo!!! And could somebody please send me a copy of all the stuff they > send Mr. Groovy? Ran is in fact a very nice guy. I sent him a tape a Wanna copy of all the flames I've gotten in the last month? Real cheap...8-) Groovy Dave ====================================================================== 0 0 *------------* Dave's Mini Sig #4 Collect the Whole Series | |Groovy Dave!| camde933@uidaho.edu \___/ *------------* The Official Groovy Dave Mini-Sig ******************************* Off the keyboard, thru the router, over the bridge, nothing but net. --Dooley ******************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: toaster oven Subject: pleez take this off the list Date: 18 Dec 1994 20:11:04 -0600 i have enough incorrect unsub requests to deal with from other lists. please take your bickering to private email. - -joanna- ack! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bobby Tribble Subject: Blue Room single Date: 18 Dec 1994 19:45:14 -0800 (PST) I just got back from flippin' through the used "techno" section at the local record store and saw something I thought someone here might be interested in, as I've never seen it before. It's the Blue Room single (the same one that's packed in the U.F.Orb 2CD) but the cover art is not what I'd expect... It's this "Orb hovercraft" flying in front of the Golden Gate Bridge. Sorry if this is what the normal US release looks like.. =) Anyhow I put it on hold so if you're interested just tell me and I'd be happy to pick it up (I put it on hold). The first person to pay the cost of the disc + shipping can have it. It's a used disc at I think around $8 or so... I could be wrong on the price... =) I also picked up "777" by System 7! Pretty trancey stuff, not a whole like the "777" album that I have... =) How rare is this disc anyway? I've been keeping my eye out for it for a pretty long time... (BTW, this is the same store I found the System 7 Habibi single at a while ago... heh heh... =) - - Bobby Tribble ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ESCHER." Subject: whocares?? Date: 19 Dec 1994 11:00:19 BST who REALLY cares how much the ORB cd was sold for, fair play i say,at least the guy is offering a service,big deal about a few pounds,are we all really that skint?....I think not! anyway it is xmas peace and happy xmas escher...belfast. p.s.an orb is for life,not just for xmas..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robot@crl.com Subject: Re: Blue Room single Date: 19 Dec 1994 10:08:05 -0800 (PST) On Sun, 18 Dec 1994, Bobby Tribble wrote: > It's the Blue Room single (the same one that's packed in the > U.F.Orb 2CD) but the cover art is not what I'd expect... It's > this "Orb hovercraft" flying in front of the Golden Gate Bridge. The CD itself IS the normal Blue Room single originally shipped with the UFOrb US release. It's actually a FREE promo from a San Francisco listening party from over a year ago. Charles Uzell Edwards (the US FAX guy) Dj'd at the San Francisco Lazerium... They were printed up to give out free at this listener party. That's what it is. Nothing special unless you are into collecting cover art. - -robert ====================================================================== "If BOTH the SAW and the PULSE switches are on, sonic explorers \ then both sawtooth and pulse waves are selected. \ This combination creates an extremely fat sound." OB-8 manual ---- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HETRICK@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU Subject: Re: Suzuki (and Electrotete) Date: 19 Dec 1994 22:15:37 -0500 (EST) On the subject of a glitch in Suzuki K1's "Satellite Serenade (Transasianexpress Mix)".... >> No, that's not what I meant. On my CD version there is a glitch >> 34 seconds into the song, in the middle of the word "uncomfortable." >> Someone emailed me to say that this was not on the vinyl. does >> anyone else with the CD have the same glitch? I just checked my copy of the CD version, and sure enough...there it is. I'm surprised I never noticed it before. Out of curiosity, I checked the same track as it appears on "Morphology," and lo, the glitch is absent (as are the first 5 seconds of the legitimate CD version).... Neil Hetrick hetrick@wcuvax1.wcu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HETRICK@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU Subject: System 7 "777" Date: 20 Dec 1994 00:59:33 -0500 (EST) >I also picked up "777" by System 7! Pretty trancey stuff, not >a whole like the "777" album that I have... =) How rare is >this disc anyway? I've been keeping my eye out for it for a >pretty long time... (BTW, this is the same store I found the >System 7 Habibi single at a while ago... heh heh... =) I think the "777" album (the yellow-greenish one, their second) used to be moderately hard to find, and I had to order my copy from Compact Disc Europe for like $29, and it took them a couple months to get it. Dave at Ear/Rational has said more recently that the disc is now readily available, and I think his price on it is like $23 or something. On the album itself, I'd definitely encourage people to pick this one up. It's a lot like their new "Point 3" albums (which are *superb*, BTW), only a bit shorter (just under 60 min.). I'd actually say that the instrumental tracks on their first album ("777" by 777 in the U.S., "System 7" by System 7 in the UK) are just as worthy as far as great trance goes. I'm even thinking about picking up the UK version (I have the US release) just so I can have the un-remixed versions of "Sunburst," "Miracle," and "Mia" (these tracks were remixed by the Orb on the US album). Out of curiosity, what was the format for the "Habibi" single? The UK 12" apparently has an 8:20 remix of "Mia" by LX called the "Ultraworld Colony Mix" -- I'd love to hear *that* one some day.... Neil Hetrick hetrick@wcuvax1.wcu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esch@fische.com (Dave Cowen) Subject: Re: System 7 "777" Date: 19 Dec 1994 02:04:37 -0600 >I'm even thinking about picking up the UK version (I have the US release) >just so I can have the un-remixed versions of "Sunburst," "Miracle," and >"Mia" (these tracks were remixed by the Orb on the US album). The UK version of System 7 (the first album) doesn't have Mia in any form. It is well worth picking up for Sunburst and Miracle, however -- they are radically different from their 777 counterparts, and IMHO considerably better. esch@fische.com (Eschatfische.) ---------------------------- http://execpc.com/~esch/home.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bobby Tribble Subject: Re: System 7 "777" Date: 20 Dec 1994 12:32:22 -0800 (PST) > Out of curiosity, what was the format for the "Habibi" single? The UK 12" > apparently has an 8:20 remix of "Mia" by LX called the "Ultraworld Colony > Mix" -- I'd love to hear *that* one some day.... Let's see... Habibi (7" Edit) 3:56 Habibi (Another World Mix) 10:26 Miracle 5:35 Hm, either I have a freak disc or the track order is a little mixed up in the Orb discography... =) Oh, and the cover art is a peacock feather. Also, I was hoping for more from the Miracle track on this disc but it's just very slightly different than the one on (the US seashell) 777. Great Orb "remix". =) Strangely enough, I didn't like Habibi when I listened to it on 777, but after picking up the single I like all the versions of the song... (?) - - Bobby Tribble ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lazlo@rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: System 7 "777" Date: 20 Dec 1994 08:24:23 -0700 (MST) > Out of curiosity, what was the format for the "Habibi" single? The UK > 12" apparently has an 8:20 remix of "Mia" by LX called the "Ultraworld > Colony Mix" -- I'd love to hear *that* one some day.... It was issued as a 7", two 12"s, and a CD5: 7": 1991 UK (Ten Records TEN 385) [7"/Miracle only] 12": 1991 UK (Ten Records TEN X 385) (promo: TEN XDJ 385) CD5: 1991 UK (Ten Records TEN CD 385) [7"/another world/Miracle] 10:26 Habibi (another world mix) [Robin Hancock/Hein Hoven] 5:35 Miracle [Orb] 3:56 Habibi (7" edit) 12": 1991 UK (Ten Records TEN Y 385) [4 Nov 91] 6:07 Habibi (tex mix) [Robin Hancock/Hein Hoven] 4:45 Habibi (legian beach mix) [Robin Hancock/Hein Hoven] 8:20 Mia (ultraworld colony mix) [Alex Paterson (Orb)] - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Use the Internet Music Wantlists to find rare records and CDs. ::: Email wantlists@rt66.com with HELP on a line by itself in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Random Access Subject: Just the facts Date: 20 Dec 1994 22:41:21 -0600 (GMT-0600) Reading the new Rolling Stone, the one with David Letterman on the cover, the year end round-up double issue... a little blurb about Pink Floyd from the May highlights page... Playing the role of house band to a planterium-style light show and stonerfest, PINK FLYOD trekked across the country in support of The Divison Bell. "People mention new groups like the Orb and say we should go in that ambient direction, " said Floyd's DAVID GILMOUR. "Who gives a shit?" Far too tempting to actually make a comment, Over and out... ___ - + + / | | * ____ | + ----- \ / /--| | \ / | + --- ------ \ |----- -- |______ --- / /| | | ----- / / | /\ * * * *| \ / /\----| \/ |/ \ | --- / \___| * * * * GSS/GAT D P--/+ C++ !1 U E++ M**** S+/+ N+ H-- !F+ G+ W+ T+ R- Y?/-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: expsrm@cascade.santos.com.au (Simon McGuire) Subject: Bob Dylan Date: 22 Dec 1994 15:17:57 -0600 (CST) Sorry to miss the mark entirely but does anyone know of any Bob Dylan lists, resources, discussions etc on the Internet? Simon McGuire P.S. Just so I dont get removed automatically from the list.. orb orb orb orb orb orb orb orb orb orb orb orb orb orb orb orb orb orb orb orb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: colanut@eros.unm.edu (Mr. Misty) Subject: UFOrb 2CD for sale Date: 24 Dec 1994 12:09:40 -0700 I was at Best Buy last night and picked up the UFOrb 2CD(the album and the promo single w/ 40min. Blue Room) for $12.00 (Best Buy is a relly crazy place), so I'll mail it to the someone for $13 straight up, or a good trade. Its not rare, but I dig it and it was a good deal (it had sat there for almost 6 months so I'd thought I'd offer it to some one who needed it). E-Mail me at: colanut@triton.unm.edu Chao G- Colanut@triton.unm.edu http://www.unm.edu/~colanut/alpha.html Its my heart and it doesn't fit yours... - The Spinanes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paul.geronca@support.com Subject: In heaven... Date: 27 Dec 1994 00:27:07 -0800 A note from The Huge Evergrowing Pulsating Train Which Travels The ExpressWay To Yr Skull: In the early days of Spring 1995, we will be putting on a FREE outdoor event consisting mainly of ambient, trance, and experimental soundscape, on a site in the Angeles mountains on the north side of the Los Angeles basin. Our motive is to create a sketch-free environment where people can chill out all night and be exposed to new music and sounds. There will be a main area where the music will flow from trance to ambient to experimental to tribal and back, and another chill-out space exclusively for ambient and noise (non-traditional IntelliDansMusik). We will also have poetry readings, drumming circles, and screenings of obscure cult films. We are currently looking for techno/ambient/electronica musicians and DJs who will be in the Los Angeles area mid-March and would be willing to volunteer their time and talent to help this event go off. Anyone else who wishes to contribute in the way of performances, lights, readings, sound, advice, and sheer inspiration, please feel free to contact the Milk.Weed.Project through PAUL.GERONCA@SUPPORT.COM. As for everyone else, more information will be presented as it is confirmed. I N H E A V E N everything is fine on 11 march 1995 details to follow. milk weed paul.geronca@support.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Random Access Subject: alt.music.orb Date: 29 Dec 1994 13:25:34 -0600 (GMT-0600) Who else didn't know that there was a USNET group devoted to Da Orb? I just found out by seeing it mentioned in passing on the Ambient list. There are 4 posts in there, nothing shocking, nothing that hasn't been discussed here, but still strange, cause it has never been mentioned here. I recognized no one from the list on the USNET version. Anyway, just thought I'd let you all know. Personally, I would prefer a mailing list version to a USNET version as the best way to discuss Orb-ish things. Over and out... ___ - + + / | | * ____ | + ----- \ / /--| | \ / | + --- ------ \ |----- -- |______ --- / /| | | ----- / / | /\ * * * *| \ / /\----| \/ |/ \ | --- / \___| * * * * GSS/GAT D P--/+ C++ !1 U E++ M**** S+/+ N+ H-- !F+ G+ W+ T+ R- Y?/-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris.Hilker" Subject: Re: alt.music.orb Date: 29 Dec 1994 12:37:14 -0800 (PST) >it has never been mentioned >here. Read the archives for late August, specifically files v01.n027 and v01.n028. C. - -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) ...electro-spiritual in composition... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kla23@aol.com Subject: orb article Date: 30 Dec 1994 02:03:04 -0500 In case anyone's interested, I thought I'd mention that the jan/feb 1995 issue of OPTION magazine features a cover story on the Orb, more specifically on the illustrious Dr. Paterson. Just wanted to pass that along. - -kLa23@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tnjp@aol.com Subject: index ftp Date: 31 Dec 1994 04:10:16 -0500 index ftp ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Parkans Subject: index ftp (fwd) Date: 31 Dec 1994 12:29:17 -0600 (CST) This was found in my mail box! ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tnjp@aol.com Subject: index ftp Date: 31 Dec 1994 04:10:16 -0500 index ftp ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Parkans Subject: index ftp Date: 31 Dec 1994 12:30:00 -0600 (CST) index ftp