From: "shaun" Subject: (orbital) Orbital Live Date: 01 Jul 1999 08:05:56 +0100 maybe a stupid question, but what do Orbital actually do when they are "playing" live? .shaun # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Kasaj" Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital Live Date: 01 Jul 1999 10:15:21 +0200 > maybe a stupid question, but what do Orbital actually do when they are > "playing" live? i heard they have a green and a yellow megaman, and that they're "playing" with them live.. on a blanket... in the center of the stage. :) Daniel ===== There are only two kinds of music worth listening to: drum and bass. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Elliot Bancroft Subject: (orbital) RE Dr Who Trax Date: 01 Jul 1999 03:32:43 -0700 (PDT) On what CD is Dr Who? Is it under a different name because I cant find in the Discog at all. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Kloehr Subject: RE: (orbital) Orbital Live Date: 01 Jul 1999 07:43:37 -0500 > maybe a stupid question, but what do Orbital actually do when they are > "playing" live? I heard on this tour they will have a 8ft X 40ft projector screen on stage and will have live edited stuff from each show playing.....? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim L. Jones" Subject: Re: (orbital) Getting to meet the bros. Date: 30 Jun 1999 22:10:40 -0400 Heh Heh Heh, good luck Dan... I tried asking about that too, the last time when they were doing lollapalooza. I've been a fan since '92, and I still have that ticket stub to prove it (Steve, would that help? :-)) Anyways...... good luck :-) Jim J. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 8:41 PM > > So, as I'm going to the Detroit show next week I was kinda itching to > try my hand at getting to meet the dynamic duo. I've never really gone > to much of a large concert before, and never tried my hand at getting > backstage, the holy land of all things music. Any tips? I don't expect > a mad rush or anything, but I do expect security and lots of attitude. > > So, Steve, the Price man, Mr. Loopz. I'm afraid to ask this now seeing > that even YOU had trouble getting in, but is there some way for a nice, > quiet, calm, not going to cause trouble longtime fan to get his ass > guesslisted at this gig? It's always worth asking (here's hoping I > don't start a flood of this). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fanno, Jeff" Subject: RE: (orbital) Getting to meet the bros. Date: 01 Jul 1999 08:07:51 -0700 > So, as I'm going to the Detroit show next week I was kinda itching to > try my hand at getting to meet the dynamic duo. I've never really gone > to much of a large concert before, and never tried my hand at getting > backstage, the holy land of all things music. Any tips? > > I hope that I'm not giving anything away, but here's how I got to meet half of Orbital-Phil Hartnoll. A friend and I went to the LA show in 1996-seems so long ago. We were in such a craze of dancing the whole night that we became separated at the end. At the end of the show, I spent nearly an hour looking for her. I went outside, to her car, around the lobby, and I finally ventured back into the concert hall. As I was working my way around the roadies and various road cases of equipment I happened to notice-to my amazement, Mr. Phil Hartnoll sitting on a road case talking with someone. I did a double take and even without his light beam glasses I recognized the man. I walked over to him and said, "Hi, I just have to shake your hand, you guys were amazing." He replied, "Did you like the show?" I said, "Oh my God, there's not enough words to describe what I saw and how I felt". He then said, "thanks a lot, we never really know, because we don't get to talk to the fans that much." I said, "I think everyone here was amazed and totally impressed tonight." Again he said thanks and I shook his hand again (the same hand I also shook Bjork's hand with) and was gratefull for meeting him. He was really really nice and I only wish I had more to say, but I sort of felt flustered. Anyway, that's my story. I don't know if it'll work for you, but its worth a try. I'd also suggest looking around for them before the other bands play. BTW, does anyone know the lineup schedule for the Community Service Tour? Is Orbital playing 2nd or last? I can't wait to see them again (twice) in just three short weeks. Later, Jeff Fanno # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Aim=E9e_Couture?=" Subject: Re: (orbital) Getting to meet the bros. Date: 01 Jul 1999 11:47:32 -0400 when i met the brothers.. all that was required was standing in front of = the stage and yelling "PAUL!!! PHIL!!!" for a couple minutes with like 20 oth= er people after they left the stage.. then they came back out and signed stu= ff and chatted with everybody and videotaped us and such.. it was nice ~plur~ aim=E9e http://shush.com/aimee (now updated for june) http://www.baked.net/orbitalinfo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Kloehr Subject: (orbital) Glastonbury Date: 01 Jul 1999 11:50:23 -0500 I read this account from Glatonbury, thought it might interest some. Wish I was there..... (yes I know it is long): Well, I saw them (Orbital) for the first time ever at Glastonbury, and... It changed me, really and truly. I love music (its my life really), and I have admired and enjoyed many amazing sets or performances from a wide array of musicians covering many genre's, dance, rock, rap, classical, jazz, opera, folk, you name it, I've heard it played live. But this was my first experience with true Rave, my first experience with the true spirit of the original acid house/rave explosion of the late 80's, early 90's. I can now assure you all that for the most part, the true spirit of Rave is long dead, its been buried for years, since 91 or 92 most likely, and you can go to as many so called "raves" as you want, but you'll never capture this feeling unless you experience it the right way. I never thought I would find myself saying this, but here goes, even though I was not around for the first round of "rave", I can feel pretty confidant in saying that I agree totally with the old timers who say its not as good as it used to be. Orbital are somehow magic, in that they can recall the feeling ten years after the fact, that they can blow me away like this, despite my certainty that they could never be as good as Jeff Mills or Joey Beltram or someone like that. Their set was so good, how do I start? Basically, it helped that I was tripping on mushrooms, I had about 4 or 5 pills, and I tried 2-CB for the first time ever. I was feeling so good from all the drugs that I literally thought I was going to blow up and transcend my earthly body. Well, when we got there, we were a bit late, and the stage they were playing on was in the middle of this field, and there were like 20,000 people or something packed in close. They were all nutted on pills too, so the vibes were flowing in a big way. It was a BIG crowd of very happy people. Then the music started, and it was real good. What a set, I was miles away from the stage, and the music seemed to come floating across this sea of people and pick up more meaning and feeling with every person it touched. It was almost as if the further away you were, the more you felt the full effect of the music, the crowd that surrounded you, the vibes that washed over and through you. They played all their classics, they played to the crowd, right in the middle of thier set, what should come booming out of the speakers but a blurb of Bon Jovi, "Shot through the heart, and your to blame, honey you give love, a bad name" before returning to the breakbeat bass booming bleeping spacieness that is rave. Belinda Carlisle played backwards, that was genious, but it was perhaps just three songs that indelibly etched true ecstasy into my head. Satan first off, this is a classic, surely everyone knows it, I knew it well, but never like this. The initial blow up of SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN with the maddening drums going mental is intense and badass, but when it breaks down into its groove, that is pure rave, this is what PLUR is all about, you find yourself reaching outwards of your body, you find yourself being carried away with the souls of all those 20,000 people around you to a mysterious, deep, beautiful, brave new world of peace and love. Then the Dr. Who track, don't even know what its called, but its AMAZING!!!!!! It starts off with the Dr. Who theme wobbling and careering over the mass of people, carrying us all of to a far off place, carrying us all into mega ecstasy bliss once again, and then the thundering breakbeat kicks in, and once again, this is RAVE! This is what its all about! You just have to feel it, because its more a feeling than anything else, but oh my god, what a feeling! And the last track they played, the one that literally left me emotionally drained, the one that has seriously changed me, the one that topped any experience I have ever had in my life, ever. Chime. Its one of their first as well, and one of the real classics from the original rave era. When it emerged from the speakers the crowd went mad, white light highlited everyone, and it was literally like an unconcievably large but gentle ocean of heads, and arms swaying above, and as the song grew, so to did this unexplainable feeling in me, until, what with all the drugs in me, and all the thousands of beautiful people around me on the same buzz, tears just started coming out of my eyes, I kid you not, tears of joy, and then just as the song reached its climax, someone shot off a massive firework, one of the really good kinds like in the big 4th of July displays, and it was beautifull and it exploded literally as the crowd exploded due to the song reaching its high point, and I think I can honestly say that moment was the highest point of my life. I had tears of joy streaming down my face, I was dancing surrounded by my best friends and many thouands of best friends that I hadn't yet met, and I felt better than I ever have. This is bizarre to say, but it was better than sex, It was better than pill induced full body orgasms, it was like feeling all 20,000 peoples full body orgasm's all at once times ten. It was the feeling of truly being at peace with the entire universe and everything in it, it was one love, one life, a temporary merger of my soul with the universal life force, it was enlightenment, nirvana, it was me shaking hands with god. Someone could have chopped my head off with a samurai sword, and my disembodied head would have smiled while my headless body gave them a big hug, because I would truly have loved them simply for being alive. After the set finished, I had to sit down, because I was so emotionally drained that I couldent stand anymore. So I sat down and spent an eternity hugging (recharging my soul?) my best friend in the world, and I have never hugged anyone like this before, and I didn't even have to say anything because I knew that she had felt the same thing, and eventually we just sort of wandered off into the night arm in arm, not in love with each other, but in love with the entire world. That to me is rave. Thats ecstasy. I found Peace Love Unity and Respect, really and truly, 100%. Admittedly it was fleeting, the song finished, the set was over, the crowd wandered off, eventually I came down off my drugs. But for that brief moment in time, all I can say is, I was truly one with everything that has been, everything that is, and everything that will be. For one priceless moment. Well, obviously this has changed me. How deeply and greatly I don't yet know, I am still sorting it all out from the rubbish everyday life throws at me, but I can say for sure that a few suspicions of mine have been confirmed, a few things have been revealed, and I do have a different perspective, although I am not sure where it starts or where it leads to. Perhaps I have just really and truly blown my mind on pills and lost all touch with reality, but if thats the case, then its cool, cause I like it. Well anyway, I may share some of my realizations, and I may not, it depends. Some people would be able to read them without judging and actually think, but I think they might just piss alot of people off..... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Schultz Subject: (orbital) Meeting Orbital Date: 01 Jul 1999 09:58:05 PDT The only time I've ever met the brothers was at Lollapolooza. They had a Newbury Comics tent there, and other bands were signing autographs throughout the day, I wasn't even expecting to see this, but they had Orbital slated to come on during Tricky's set. I could really care less for Tricky's aweful performing(he closes his eyes and turns his back), and obviously I was there to see Orbital, so I went early to see get my autograph. When I got to the tent, there was absolutely no line! I then found out that Orbital was signing only Orbital stuff, and all I had was a dark blue Orbital shirt, that I wanted to actually wear in the future, so I slyly stole a "The Saint" poster off on of the walls! In fact, I stole that and an In Sides Poster! When I went over to get them signed, some guy who worked there was like, "hey! Where did you get those?" I sort of ignored him like I didn't know. Then, I think I was the only person there that actually talked with Orbital. I mean, all the other 10 people just handed them their stuff and walked off, they didn't even say hi. I actually shook hands with them and introduced myself, and inquired about their performance that night. They were really very humble guys, they were real down to earth. Paul did most of the talking, as I think is usually the case. He basically just told me that it's good to play to an American audience, and that he knows there are a few long time fans in the audience that came to Lolla just to see them. He also gave me an 8x10 glossy of them, and he signed it too. When he first signed it, he signed it right on his face, and he was like "shit, I just wrote on myself, oh well." Phil busted out laughing, and he accidently messed up his signature. I have it framed on my wall. Does anyone know if they will have autograph places at the Community Service Tour? _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: Re: (orbital) RE Dr Who Trax Date: 01 Jul 1999 18:17:06 +0100 At 03:32 01/07/99 -0700, Elliot Bancroft wrote: > >On what CD is Dr Who? Is it under a different name because I cant find >in the Discog at all. not on any CD, only live. Unless there are any bootleg CDs of the live sets going around... cheers, Jon - "You go home drunk, and you'd never know which house was yours." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ender Wright Subject: (orbital) Tours, meetings, etc. Date: 01 Jul 1999 14:05:26 EDT I know these are probably really dumb questions, but I haven't actually gotten to read many of the posts lately. I understand their touring, great. I also understand their coming to the US, even better for me. So here are the dumb questions: Where can I get a copy of the tour date? What/When is this Community Service Tour? And finally, what size set do they play in the US? I'll go back to my corner now. I was just curious, well okay... maybe a little more than curious. Do you know how it feels to miss out on a conversation you're standing in the middle of? No, you don't, because it only happens to me. Oops, I'll shut up now... Thanx for your Time and Space... -Ender _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Kloehr Subject: RE: (orbital) Tours, meetings, etc. Date: 01 Jul 1999 14:02:19 -0500 Where can I get a copy of the tour date? www.communityservicetour.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fanno, Jeff" Subject: RE: (orbital) Tours, meetings, etc. Date: 01 Jul 1999 12:10:13 -0700 > Where can I get a copy of the tour date? > > > www.communityservicetour.com > > > Crystal Method, Lo Fidelity Allstars, Orbital Sentenced To Community Service Joining all the big U.S. rock tours this summer is a newly announced electronic package that will feature full sets from the Crystal Method, Orbital, and Lo Fidelity Allstars, with DJ John Kelley mixing vinyl in between. The three-week, 18-city tour, which goes by the name Community Service, kicks off July 4 in Chicago and ends July 24 in Long Beach, Calif. Each show will have at least six hours of non-stop music. Scott Kirkland of the Crystal Method tells allstar that he and partner Ken Jordan plan to use their time on the tour as inspiration to finish their second record, which they hope to get out by the year's end. "We haven't really found a niche [in the studio] yet," says Kirkland. "So we thought it would be fun just to go out and play 45 minutes, and try some new things out... and just get out of the studio." Dates and cities for Community Service, which hopes to become an annual event, are listed below. Venues will be announced shortly. July 4, Chicago July 6, Detroit July 7, Cleveland July 8, Pittsburgh July 9, New York July 10, Boston July 11, Philadelphia July 13, Jacksonville, Fla. July 14, Atlanta July 15, New Orleans July 16, Austin, Texas July 17, Dallas July 18, Tulsa, Okla. July 20, Phoenix July 21, San Diego July 22, Las Vegas July 23, San Francisco July 24, Long Beach, Calif. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Catinosboy@aol.com Subject: Re: (orbital) Tours, meetings, etc. Date: 01 Jul 1999 17:58:49 EDT In a message dated 99-07-01 14:07:25 EDT, endermaker@hotmail.com writes: << Where can I get a copy of the tour date? What/When is this Community Service Tour? And finally, what size set do they play in the US? >> Or how 'bout this one- what's the set list? Flying to Tulsa to see them- will be my very first "dance, techno, rave, whatever" show EVER. Thanks, Brent # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) No request for backstage passes! Date: 02 Jul 1999 14:46:42 +0100 All, I am getting loads of emails from people (Some stating that i am their good friend or something like that...haha :) ) asking for backstage passes, to meet the brothers or to be on the VIP list etc. PLEASE STOP ! I really feel like you are taking the piss emailing me requests like this. I know not everyone would do summit low like the above so...apologies to those for my moans :) THanx STeve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk www.megadog.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Who is Steve Price ? - NME.COM Date: 02 Jul 1999 14:48:43 +0100 I dont know if this has been posted yet (i get the digest list at the moment) but Paul did a webchat at the beginning of this week. Loads of mad questions including "Who is Steve Price?" - how embarressing! www.nme.com - follow the link or if you are lost...search on ORBITAL. Thanx Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital ZIne www.loopz.co.uk www.megadog.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Schultz Subject: (orbital) Belfast/Wasted Date: 02 Jul 1999 08:18:57 PDT Hey all, Does anyone know who does the vocals on Belfast/Wasted? Is it the same guy that did the vocals on the extended version of The Box? I was just wondering. Thanks! Rob Schultz _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Optik@mail.freenet.uk.com Subject: Re: (orbital) RE Dr Who Trax Date: 02 Jul 1999 19:12:06 +0000 I reckon they should release it as a single.;-) But , would this mean they need licensing from the original composer (!) Also,while we are on this topic, does anyone know what type of analogue synth the main part is played on, obviously something with sine waves / knobs etc. >On what CD is Dr Who? Is it under a different name because I cant find >in the Discog at all. not on any CD, only live. Unless there are any bootleg CDs of the live sets going around... cheers, Jon - "You go home drunk, and you'd never know which house was yours." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: Re: (orbital) Belfast/Wasted Date: 02 Jul 1999 19:29:42 +0100 At 08:18 02/07/99 PDT, Robert Schultz wrote: > >Hey all, >Does anyone know who does the vocals on Belfast/Wasted? Is it the same guy >that did the vocals on the extended version of The Box? yes, Grant Fulton. He also did quite a lot of the artwork. cheers, Jon - "You go home drunk, and you'd never know which house was yours." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anil Prasad Subject: (orbital) Trading Orbital for other acts Date: 02 Jul 1999 13:54:48 -0700 Anyone interested in trading live Orbital material for very rare and excellent stuff by acts like Massive Attack, Kraftwerk and others? Lemme know # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aronne James Merrelli Subject: (orbital) pittsburgh show? Date: 02 Jul 1999 17:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Hi, anyone going to the pittsburgh show? has anyone been to the venue before - The Crane - what's it like? later, aronne # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Subject: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #210 Date: 02 Jul 1999 14:09:46 -0600 (MDT) > > maybe a stupid question, but what do Orbital actually do when they are > > "playing" live? > > I heard on this tour they will have a 8ft X 40ft projector screen on stage > and will have live edited stuff from each show playing.....? it's probably the same type of thing they do at cheesy raves these days - they get some guy they call a "video artist" or some such, and he manipulates trippy images on a big screen for the enjoyment of thousands of tripping kids. i imagine orbital's setup will be better than average, however. the music is another story. to the best of my knowledge, one brother sets up and sequences the samples, and the other takes them in and out of the mix. although i'm sure it's much more complex than that. it's all just manipulating the samples, really - but it's not cookie-cutter, which is why every live show is different. they actually use crowd response to gauge what works and what doesn't. if there's someone out there who has actually performed electronic music (and i know there are), they can probably give a more detailed account of how this works. i'd be interested to hear it. unrelated question: when a young brit talks about "pills" i'm assuming they're referring to E? i can't think of any other widely-used rave drug that comes in pill form. finally, is anyone on the list from the boulder/denver area? no flaming please, but i'm thinking about going to the "rave on the rocks" featuring the chems and fatboy slim. i personally can't stand the chems, but i think f.s. might be fun. plus, it's red rocks, which is supposed to have the best acoustics anywhere. and it's general admission, which is good. anyway, my point is that i'm new to the area and don't know anyone that wants to go. is anyone interested? tix are $30. e-mail back personally. laters, nubakaben # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Austin Show Date: 02 Jul 1999 18:09:10 -0500 Is anyone going to the Austin show this 16th? I'm planning on going, but I need people to meet or go with. I'm in Houston, personally, and I would go to Dallas too, but I'm leaving on the 18th. E-mail me back if you are. Ironically, I'm going to college in Worcester this fall, so I'm sure they'll all be talking about the show. Dammit! -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: Re: (orbital) No request for backstage passes! Date: 02 Jul 1999 20:07:32 -0400 "Price, Steve A" wrote: > > All, > > I am getting loads of emails from people (Some stating that i am their good > friend or something like that...haha :) ) asking for backstage passes, to > meet the brothers or to be on the VIP list etc. > > PLEASE STOP ! Ugh, sorry if I started anything, although I have the feeling that I wasn't the first ;) > I really feel like you are taking the piss emailing me requests like this. *checks Limey to Canuck dictionary, looks confused* I think I get the point anyway ;) Again, sorry for any trouble I may have caused. > I know not everyone would do summit low like the above so...apologies to > those for my moans :) Yeah, and for the creative out there there's always the tour website which gives you an opportunity to get backstage. Good luck. -- If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://i.am/DataSquid # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brandon Invergo Subject: (orbital) chat with orbital Date: 02 Jul 1999 21:44:07 -0700 (PDT) i just thought you guys would be interested in this: >Chat with The Community Service bands! >Wednesday, July 7 at 5pm (PDT): >Chat with The Crystal Method and The Lo Fidelity >Allstars. >Wednesday, July 14 at 5pm (PDT): >Chat with The Crystal Method and Orbital. its at www.ubl.com have fun..i'll be there (by the way, what's 5pm PDT in central time? im too lazy to figure it out myself) brandon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Catinosboy@aol.com Subject: (orbital) free CD! Date: 03 Jul 1999 00:54:17 EDT I was making four Orbital CD's for a converted friend of mine, and I put the wrong song on one CD, so, instead of throwing it away (which I usually do), I want to give it to somebody on this list that may not have some of these mixes. The disc contains: 1. Lush (1926 Trancendence Mix) 2. Are We Here? (Who Are They?) 3. Are We Here? (Oral Mix) 4. Are We Here? (Lunasol Wet Mix) 5. Are We Here? (Industry Standard Edit) 6. Are We Here? (The Edit) 7. Style (Edit) 8. Mock Tudor 9. Old Style 10. Bigpipe Style 11. An Fhomhair As you can see, it's basically the U.S. single of "Are We Here?" and the two "Style" UK singles. He hated "An Fhomhair" (as well as I), so I messed the disc up. I'll take the the 20th response to this e-mail (or the last one, if I don't get that many requests), respond to you personally, and get your address (I'll pay for the postage). You just have to want it. If I'm pissing anybody off by offering this, whatever. I want someone who wants this to have it. Brent Nashville, TN (Music City, USA- yee ha!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Kasaj" Subject: (orbital) just bragging... Date: 03 Jul 1999 11:33:33 +0200 i had my dj debut last night... in a pretty big pub.... it was a dnb session that somehow got to have times fly (slow) in the set... damn i'm in love with the mk2's.... who knows when i'm gonna be able to touch em again :( btw i made a dnb mix cd for anyone that's willing to give it a shot... i'm distributing it around on traxdata gold discs like a sort of a promo... if anyone's interested i only need you to pay for the shipment.... if not, i'll have it as an 160kbps mp3 file on my site in a week or so (plus a free cdrwin cuesheet!).. but that's a 90 megs download. off to sleep, Daniel ===== There are only two kinds of music worth listening to: drum and bass. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mehul Parekh I Subject: Re: (orbital) chat with orbital Date: 03 Jul 1999 13:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Hey: They didn't list Loopz's site as the official site for Orbital! What up? === The Mehul mpp001@rocketmail.com mpp001@drake.edu _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kel Subject: (orbital) U.S. live set?? Date: 03 Jul 1999 00:04:22 -0400 Hey, in the midst of the flurry of messages regarding the CS Tour, can I inquire, Mr. Loopz, as to the brothers' planned live set for the tour? I recall seeing the "tour diary" of the UK tour which mentioned mostly tracks from the new album and very few, uhm, "classics." This being my first live experience with them, I wouldn't mind hearing the new stuff live, but it'd be a million times better to lose it if they play Lush, say, or Halcyon, or Impact. Would Loopz or anyone else know what they have planned, mostly new songs, or a batch of golden oldies? :) Just curious, it'll be a kickin' night either way... thanx to anyone who can tip their hand to me. - KEL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reece H Subject: Re: (orbital) U.S. live set?? Date: 04 Jul 1999 13:01:18 +0100 i'd think they'd do pretty much what they did here: the whole album, impact, halcyon, chime, satan, dr who, maybe (just maybe) open mind # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reece H Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #210 Date: 03 Jul 1999 00:11:45 +0100 >it's probably the same type of thing they do at cheesy raves these days - >they get some guy they call a "video artist" or some such, and he >manipulates trippy images on a big screen for the enjoyment of >thousands of tripping kids. i imagine orbital's setup will be better than >average, however. yeah, it is far far better, using images, words, and visual sequences that evolve through the song. the visuals i've seen for this tour tend to be pretty similar for each set, though not identical i think. the satan one is definitely worth watching out for. the halcyon one is all about consumerism, merchandising, products etc. hmmm... one of them (spe i think) uses clocks and gyroscopesand stuff, all producing a sense of urgency. also, expect binary and genetic code in motion >unrelated question: when a young brit talks about "pills" i'm assuming >they're referring to E? i can't think of any other widely-used rave drug >that comes in pill form. yup, that'd be them methinks, according to common lingo reece # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Kasaj" Subject: (orbital) just bragging... Date: 03 Jul 1999 11:32:54 +0200 i had my dj debut last night... in a pretty big pub.... it was a dnb session that somehow got to have times fly (slow) in the set... damn i'm in love with the mk2's.... who knows when i'm gonna be able to touch em again :( btw i made a dnb mix cd for anyone that's willing to give it a shot... i'm distributing it around on traxdata gold discs like a sort of a promo... if anyone's interested i only need you to pay for the shipment.... if not, i'll have it as an 160kbps mp3 file on my site in a week or so (plus a free cdrwin cuesheet!).. but that's a 90 megs download. off to sleep, Daniel ===== There are only two kinds of music worth listening to: drum and bass. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Schultz Subject: (orbital) ftp server software Date: 04 Jul 1999 14:43:28 PDT Hello all, I was wondering if anyone on the list knows anything about ftp server software. I have Wftp already, but it is a demo version, and it only allows me to transfer 5 files at a time, which really sucks when I'm trying to do mp3 trading and what not. I went to download.com, and there were a lot of free shareware full version ftp programs that seemed really appealing. I was wondering, are some ftp programs compatible with other programs? Like if someone had Cuteftp, could they send/receive files if I had Wftp or something else? Finally, if they are compatible with one another, what is the best one to get? I'm asking all this because in a week I will have MediaOne's new Road Runner network service, so my internet will be much faster than the 56K I have right now, and I will be able to do lots more than I presently am capable of. Anyway, thank you in advance to anyone that knows anything about this stuff, and I appreciate your help! Rob Schultz _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick McGinn" Subject: Re: (orbital) ftp server software Date: 04 Jul 1999 19:14:08 -0400 > I have Wftp already, but it is a demo version, and it only allows > me to transfer 5 files at a time, which really sucks when I'm trying to do > mp3 trading and what not. I went to download.com, and there were a lot of > free shareware full version ftp programs that seemed really appealing. I was > wondering, are some ftp programs compatible with other programs? Like if > someone had Cuteftp, could they send/receive files if I had Wftp or > something else? Finally, if they are compatible with one another, what is > the best one to get? Actually, WS_FTP and CuteFTP aren't servers, they are clients. Clients let you upload and download from servers, but people can not upload or download from you. I use CuteFTP, but Bullet Proof is excellent also. If you want people to be able to upload to and download from you, you either need an FTP server, or a two-way messaging client that supports file transfers (ICQ being the obvious choice.) If you want an FTP server, Serv-U is the easiest to get up and running, but WarFTP is more powerful. Either is a great choice. If you do a lot of downloading, you should get a download client such as Go!Zilla (my personal favorite) or Get Right. Both can resume downloads from HTTP and FTP servers, and Go!Zilla supports multiple categories and file leeching (give it a directory or web page, and it will rip all the files from it and put them on a list for you to pick from.) It's been a long time since I used Get Right, but by now it probably has those features too. Both will search the web for file mirrors. Xaos 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110 np: Mask500 (when you can't get the vinyl, get the MP3s) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brandon Invergo Subject: (orbital) first us show (long ramblings) Date: 05 Jul 1999 00:30:53 -0700 (PDT) if you don't want to know the us playlist for some reason, then don't read this...though i'm not sure why you wouldn't...it's also a long rambling, so ignore if you want...you've been warned well, i just got back from the chicago show, and all i can say is damn! that just ruined any other concert i'm ever going to go to. lo-fi allstars are ok, and get you kinda goin, and crystal method actually put on a pretty good show (anyone who saw them before and said that they sound exactly like the cd only louder will be pleasantly surprised; there was a little improvisation or additions or whatever, and even some new songs) as for orbital, the playlist was something to the extent of this, though it may not be in exact order: -way out -spare parts express -impact (with first and second parts flipped) -know where to run -halcyon (bon jovi and belinda carlisle stuff included) -i don't know you people -nothing left (more or less based on part 2) -the box (this was great, it got a real good, dancey 4/4 beat at the end) -style (this went from the album version to big pipe style) -satan -dr. who -chime i think that's everything. oh, a warning: since the other bands are crystal method and lo-fi allstars, expect a horrible crowd. there was moshing, jumping up and down, and crowd surfing. i just wanted to yell "this isn't a fucking rock-show!!! dance, goddammit!!!" it's kinda hard to dance (even in my sophmoric way) if someone keeps ramming into you and shoving you. and now the great part-> don (he was on the list - snivilisation@juno.com) and i met and talked to paul, he signed my halcyon cd and don's satan (III) cd and also gave them to phil to sign. mehul also got some stuff signed, mostly MoN stuff i think. paul also had a video camera with him and recorded us a little. steve, if you see this, we're the ones who snuck into the theatre really early during a sound check around 2:30. damn...this just made my year...signed cd...picture with paul...wow ok enough bragging and rambling have fun brandon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Merrick Schaefer Subject: (orbital) chicago july 4th Date: 05 Jul 1999 03:53:09 -0500 hey, I just got back from Orbital's july fourth show in Chicago and it was totally ausome. the venue wan't great(it had seats except for right up front) but there was a lot of good energy. does anyboy know the set list for the evening. In particular I really want to know what song was being played when they uleashed the yellow/green disco ball reflection beams of light and the last song they played for the encore. thanks ltr. merrick ps. anybody else notice the cow that was sitting on their equipment? . . . . . . . ... . . . . . . . Merrick Schaefer mpschaef@midway.uchicago.edu The entire world, past and present, now reveals itself to us like a growing plant in an enormously accelerated movie. . . . . . . . ... . . . . . . . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mad Iccy Subject: (orbital) Umm if anyones interested some more updates Date: 05 Jul 1999 11:24:26 +0100 The Sunshadow 99 Eclipse Festival 6th-15th August ************** LICENCE GRANTED ****************** Gormain Farm,Nr Dobwalls,Cornwall £85 for the whole period including Camping & Parking ======================================================================== Featuring 5 themed Arenas. The Sunshadow Main Stage. -------------------------- The Selecter Man With No Name Sham 69 Cat Osric Tentacles King Kooba Rootjoose Master Drummers of Guyana Airforce Stan Adler Time Machine The Statik Sound System Ollie Childs The Blue Angels Hamish McDoodle Daddy Teacha + Racial Unity Baka Beyond Blue Earth Nomads Kissmet The Fos Brothers Lunatic Crash Amnesia Angels versus Aliens Elektrik Experience Treacle Sleep The Rift Temple Riser Toxic Quepasa Elfin PAIN Fall Out Essen Blacksmith Slack Babbath Limehouse Lizzy Bag Attack Riser Curby East of Ealing Devious Karma Karma Phenominal Pound Puppies Fly Casual Blue Foot Bus Station Loonies Two Bones and a Pick Vince Lee Combo The Sunshadow Spectrum of Dance Arena. Mrs Wood Mr C Binary Finary(LIve) Chris Liberator The Dub Pistols(Live) Rolo Nathan Coles Roy Aquarius Sean Hand Mix Master Morris Part of The Project Rowland The Bastard Mad Iccy Mark Tyler Darc Marc Sentience (Live) Chris Todd Hatty Lovehearts Charlie Hall Andy M and Chris Coco Jeep Grrlz The Saint Roland Simon P Max Pashm James Acid Sunfish(Live) Phil Banks Wayne Astralasia Sol Ray Madame Zu freaky bob Tye Darren Gallaway Gareth Davies Little Rich Neil Bennet Richie Darryl Xian Tim Webster Ratz Holy Ghost Terry Francis Dave Mothersole Brendan Downing Lady Base Linz John Weatherly Little Jon Julian Paul Daley Nicole Plus More To Follow!!! Pendragon Arena Psychedelic Techno Trance straight from the Brixton Fridge Mark Sinclair Psynrg Jace Juno Elrick Beamish Cybernaut (Live) Silicon Based Life (Live) Oberon Rubec Darren Shambhala Hector Fausto Remould Chris C DJ Cor Jarrah Fungus L Fire Tony K Martin Child The Secret (Live) K90 (Live) Quietman (Live) Plus Many More !! Da Da Promotions and Club Class Present The Funky Green Fish Arena.(Best of Garageland) Carwash Dr Deckster Disco kid Charlie Angel Miss Jo Lively * Matt "jam" Lamont Omar "Double 99" Karl "tuff enuff" Brown Steve "Daddy Cool"James Norris "Da' Boss" Windross Ramsay + Fen Dreem Teem * Plus more to come!!! The North of Englands Collosseum Crew Techno and Hardcore Q.F.X (Live) Tecnopia (Live) Ultimate Buzz Dymension Chubby Brown DJ Quid N.R.G Charlie Marc Smith Tom Wilson Miss Slapper Scott Brown MC's Psycho and Attack Plus Many more to Follow Other Attractions Include: -------------------------- Mutant Dance Flouro Dancers,Full Funfair, Childrens Theatre from the Theatre of Incurable Players, Kids Indian Dance Workshops with Natyalaya, Full Creche Facilities, Bungee Jumping, Market, Beer tents,Wide range of catering stalls,etc. For Ticket bookings Ring:01752 21 00 99 For Other Enquiries Ring:01503 23 03 87 Or E:mail us at: sunshadow@bigfoot.com Visit the website at: www.sunshadow.com Acts marked with an asterisk are still in process of confirming. -Cheers for now- Mad Iccy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aimee Couture" Subject: Re: (orbital) first us show (long ramblings) Date: 05 Jul 1999 11:21:55 -0400 good to hear that the concert was so great the first (and only) time i saw orbital was july fourth 97.. it was great= .. i was supposed to make the detroit show tomorrow.. i had enough money for the ticket.. i had a ride.. but nowhere to stay.. so no show for me.. i'm going to detroit on friday though.. miss em by three days.. geez.. ah well aim=E9e http://shush.com/aimee http://baked.net/orbitalinfo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Schultz Subject: (orbital) Orbital in Worcester Date: 05 Jul 1999 08:33:00 PDT Hi all! What time do the shows start? My tickets say 7:00, but this doesn't make sense. How long did Orbital play for, and how long was the entire concert? And, did Orbital do an autograph session? Thanks! Rob Schultz _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brandon Invergo Subject: (orbital) orbital show question stuff Date: 05 Jul 1999 12:10:02 -0700 (PDT) i accidentaly deleted the original message that asked these questions, sorry. the chicago show started at 7:30, so 7:00 on your ticket sounds right. however, the show didn't start on time, so we didn't get in until at least 8:00, but i don't remember exactly when. then the dj played for at least a half an hour before lo-fi allstars came on. paul said that they were going to play an hour and 45 minute set, and that sounds about right. however long it was, it seemed real long (in a good way). finally, they did not have an autograph session. don and i had to sneak into the theatre five hours before the show and saw them doing sound tests. paul was walking around with a video camera near the back where we were, so we stopped him and chatted. we also caught them by this back office area that had it's door open to the outside. so, if you wanna meet them, you gotta be sneaky. i think mehul actually made it into their bus, but i'm not sure how far he actually got. he met phil there (paul was napping). ok, enough for now brandon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Someone tell the communityservicetour website whats what!!!!! Date: 05 Jul 1999 21:43:53 +0100 >Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 13:54:33 -0700 (PDT) >From: Mehul Parekh I >Subject: Re: (orbital) chat with orbital > >Hey: >They didn't list Loopz's site as the official site for Orbital! What up? yes...i have emailed him over and over again. His first reply was understandable...why should i believe you. But even after mentioning the www.londonrecords.co.uk website listing LOOPZ as the Official website and the Nothing Left cds/12 inch both list LOOPZ on the back of the sleeve....he still doesnt link the website (and i dont get any replies). If anyone wants to hassle him (email - webmaster@communityservicetour.com) then please be my guest...i have given up :) Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk www.megadog.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Kasaj" Subject: Re: (orbital) Someone tell the communityservicetour website whats what!!!!! Date: 05 Jul 1999 23:10:12 +0200 Steve Price wrote: > yes...i have emailed him over and over again. His first reply was > understandable...why should i believe you. But even after mentioning the > www.londonrecords.co.uk website listing LOOPZ as the Official website and > the Nothing Left cds/12 inch both list LOOPZ on the back of the sleeve....he > still doesnt link the website (and i dont get any replies). Well Steve, if the community service tour Webmaster doesn't believe you, why should we? This could be a trick... u want to deceive us all! :) Daniel ===== There are only two kinds of music worth listening to: drum and bass. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: Re: (orbital) Someone tell the communityservicetour website whats Date: 05 Jul 1999 14:40:41 -0700 I know Ill hassle today....MATT FORD STYLE! You know, its not bad enough I have to sit through Crystal Meth and LoFi just to see Orbital, but they(the tour organisers) cant even give Orbital respect on the webpage. Thats America... :) .matthewford. "Price, Steve A" wrote: > yes...i have emailed him over and over again. His first reply was > understandable...why should i believe you. But even after mentioning the > www.londonrecords.co.uk website listing LOOPZ as the Official website and > the Nothing Left cds/12 inch both list LOOPZ on the back of the sleeve....he > still doesnt link the website (and i dont get any replies). > > If anyone wants to hassle him (email - webmaster@communityservicetour.com) > then please be my guest...i have given up :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reece H Subject: Re: (orbital) chicago july 4th Date: 05 Jul 1999 22:47:29 +0100 yeah, a fresian, odd, huh? can someone ask about that? >ps. anybody else notice the cow that was sitting on their equipment? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Subject: (orbital) Fw: website omission Date: 05 Jul 1999 22:44:24 +0100 Well, I sent the email below to the communityservicetour webmaster... Maybe they'd get the hint if a few others pointed their mistake out? :) Steve Forwarded by Steve ---------------- Original message follows ---------------- From: Steve To: webmaster@communityservicetour.com Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 21:55:58 +0100 Subject: website omission -- Hi, Couldn't help but notice your glaring omission ... the official Orbital website is missing from your page: http://www.communityservicetour.com/bands/index.html You can find it here: http://www.loopz.co.uk Cheers, Steve. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Juno Jackson Subject: (orbital) July 4th Date: 05 Jul 1999 16:52:58 PDT I know that this will sound like a bland and obvious question, but were there any kick-ass fireworks at the show ? I know that the local shows around my city sucked total dick. Also, I noticed something ironic on MTV US. On "Amp", they played Crystal Meth, Orbital, and Lo-Fi videos all in a row. Then they showed "The Box" video. Took fucking long enough for "Style" to be shown over here !!!! It was funny because they omitted FFRR and Sire from the titles, only giving credit to London. Steve, do you know there if there will ever be an official video or DVD compilation coming out soon ? If not, would you PLEASE suggest it ? NoiseWerker noisewerker@hotmail.com noisewerker@home.com zzyzx.8m.com (still building) ICQ # 42651237 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kulsoom a Subject: Re: (orbital) July 4th Date: 05 Jul 1999 17:54:43 PDT I was wondering if anyone on this list is going to the atlanta, ga show on July 14th? Thanks, Kulsoom _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mehul Parekh I Subject: (orbital) i think i am a changed man Date: 05 Jul 1999 18:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Wow, that was a good weekend. Or just one great day. Oh, this is long. After getting to the show, I began my task of finding Shannon Campbell (what happened, man?) and other Orbital fans, oh yeah, and Paul and Phil. I stumbled upon 2 individuals (one wearing the Digger shirt and the other wearing the green Orbital shirt)...Brandon Invergo, and...I forget his name. They tell me about how Orbital's been walking around and they got signatures. So, I went to "Orbital headquarters" and asked a guy (the tour manager for Orbital!) if he had seen Paul or Phil. He took me to the bus and walked in...closing the door behind him, DAMN! and when it opened, I expected, "no, not in"...but out came Phil! Hell yes. Let's just say, never have anything memorized that you want to ask because you will forget. So, I got all this stuff signed...for myself and a certain unlisted party (dont spoil it brandon), but all by Phil. Took some pictures, discussed the new album, the show, etc. Paul was napping, and I was instructed to come back after the show! The show was great, hell, incredible. I have never had so much fun ever. If anyone's never seen Orbital live, you are missing out on more than you know. They do more than just twiddle knobs. The video show, Phil dancing around, the headlights. DAMN! Oh, they confiscated my camera till the end of the show! Bastards! After the show, I went out again to wait on Paul...because Phil had instructed me so. Well, it wasn't easy. Security (hate those bastards) think they can intimidate me because they are bigger than me, well, they do but they shouldn't! Pricks! Brandon, you left too early! You could have just hung around. I just went back and talked to the tour mgr again and explained my story, waited unfortunately till 2:15 am, and finally out came Paul...all by himself, just happy to see me because I had waited so damn long. A hour and 15 minutes after the show ended. He signed the rest of the stuff, took some cool pictures. He even drew that thing that was listed on the Orbital mailing list. You remeber that image done by Paul...'his inner self'. Right on my MON import cover! And then we talked for 45 minutes...the stuff in parentheses are the words of Paul. We talked about everything, the new album (September 2000...maybe (he wanted me to stress that), the style of it (more cheeky than MON...more, may I say, Style-ish), Star Wars, Dr. Who and the robot killers on the show...I cant remember the name of them, but I'been told to go check them out, the tour (no other tours in the US after this one until the next album), old hits (Belfast will be played on the next tour, damn it!), loopz's site, his Internet novice-ness, just random stuff, the Visit (no way, maybe it will be a bootleg in 20 years), the new tv show soundtrack (they are contributing 40 minutes to it, I've been told to check with loopz on that one). It was soooo cool. Paul is so cool, and chilled out. He just goes on and on about anything that comes up, and then talks more. Phil was really cool too, but he is a little more quiet than Paul. Overall, the weekend was fabulous. I saw the greatest show ever, I talked to, shook hands with, took pictures with, and got stuff signed by my most favorite band. Thanks Paul and Phil for all the great music I make and being the modest people to appreciate your fan club. thanks for reading. === The Mehul mpp001@rocketmail.com mpp001@drake.edu _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brandon Invergo Subject: Re: (orbital) i think i am a changed man Date: 05 Jul 1999 20:50:20 -0700 (PDT) god damn it all to hell! oh well...i still met them, that's good enough. although i would have liked to talked for 45 minutes. damn brandon > Brandon, you left > too early! You could > have just hung around. I just went back and talked > to the tour mgr again > and explained my story, waited unfortunately till > 2:15 am, and finally > out came Paul...all by himself, just happy to see me > because I had waited > so damn long. A hour and 15 minutes after the show > ended. He signed the > rest of the stuff, took some cool pictures. He even > drew that thing that > was listed on the Orbital mailing list. You remeber > that image done by > Paul...'his inner self'. Right on my MON import > cover! And then we > talked for 45 minutes... _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Juno Jackson Subject: (orbital) Kraftwerk & Orbital Date: 05 Jul 1999 21:08:00 PDT Maybe it's just me, but the new Kraftwerk song , a.k.a. "Tango" (played next to "Airwaves" at mostly all of the comeback shows during '98), reminds a bit of Orbital's "The Sinner". What do you guys think ? I know that Orbital has said that they have KW influences. I love 'em both to death. And they both have kick-ass live shows with tremendous visuals (I've only heard about Orbital's shows; I have to wait until July 24th to see them). Tracks np: Kraftwerk- Technopop (1983 demo version) Nirvana- Bambi Kill Slaughter OMD vs. Sash- Enola Gay Photoelectric Emission- Full Metal (Over and Out) NoiseWerker noisewerker@hotmail.com noisewerker@home.com zzyzx.8m.com ICQ #42651237 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: Re: (orbital) Kraftwerk & Orbital Date: 05 Jul 1999 21:13:44 -0700 How did you learn the name of this track? It wasnt released yet was it? .matthewford. Juno Jackson wrote: > Maybe it's just me, but the new Kraftwerk song , a.k.a. "Tango" > (played next to "Airwaves" at mostly all of the comeback shows during '98), > reminds a bit of Orbital's "The Sinner". > > What do you guys think ? I know that Orbital has said that they have KW > influences. I love 'em both to death. And they both have kick-ass live shows > with tremendous visuals (I've only heard about Orbital's shows; I have to > wait until July 24th to see them). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: (orbital) Question To Those Who Have Already Seen Orbital On The Comm Service Tour Date: 05 Jul 1999 21:15:05 -0700 When did Orbital go on? Were they the last ones or what? Thanks, .MatthewFord. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: life kid Subject: Re: (orbital) chicago july 4th Date: 05 Jul 1999 21:46:12 -0600 Merrick Schaefer wrote: > hey, > > I just got back from Orbital's july fourth show in Chicago and it was > totally ausome. the venue wan't great(it had seats except for right up > front) but there was a lot of good energy. does anyboy know the set list > for the evening. In particular I really want to know what song was being > played when they uleashed the yellow/green disco ball reflection beams of > light and the last song they played for the encore. thanks > the first time they pulled out the disco ball was for "style." and the final song they played began with their version of the "dr.who" theme, which then mixed into "chime" off of the "yellow" album. > ps. anybody else notice the cow that was sitting on their equipment? yeah, i was trying to figure that out. the only thing i could think of was that nikole (from the underworld mailing list) got them some sort of trophy. otherwise, i have no clue. but go downtown in chicago, and you'll notice that there are A LOT of those things. and they're life size, too. -- len perez | email : lmperez@uiuc.edu | uiuc : graphic design now playing: orbital_2 "Life kid, suck the box." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: life kid Subject: Re: (orbital) first us show (long ramblings) Date: 05 Jul 1999 21:50:39 -0600 Brandon Invergo wrote: > as for orbital, the playlist was something to the > extent of this, though it may not be in exact order: > > -style (this went from the album version to big pipe > style) i'm pretty sure they got the "new style" version in there too, at the end. i distinctly remember the "...drive, oh come on!" sample. > -satan i think they mixed in almost every version of that song too! > -dr. who > -chime i wish they played "lush." > > > i think that's everything. oh, a warning: since the > other bands are crystal method and lo-fi allstars, > expect a horrible crowd. i didn't think the crowd was that bad. the jumping and the body surfing was pretty funny, actually. and i must admit, it was probably one of the more energetic crowds i've been in. -- len perez | email : lmperez@uiuc.edu | uiuc : graphic design now playing: orbital_2 "Life kid, suck the box." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mad Iccy Subject: (orbital) Sunshadow Date: 06 Jul 1999 14:39:53 +0100 Club Class and Carwash Present Funky Green Fish at Sunshadow 99 6th - 15th August Gormain Farm,Nr Dobwalls,Cornwall Featuring Karl "tuff enuff" Brown Matt "jam" Lamont Steve "Daddy Cool" James Chrissy T and the Rude Boy Rupert The stars of Kiss FM and Carwash Seal / M Flex /Madness(KMA)/Dj Kilo/Dj Naughty/Dj Abbis/Dj Easy Rider/ Easy E/XL Bass/The Bashment Crew/Ladies First(West Side Connection)/ Sammi J (Confetti Records)/Emma Feline/Sublo Tipper/Johnny 2 Bad & Chuckle(Mission FM)/The Heartless Crew (Mission FM)/Special K/Ray Hurley/Resident evil/Bass Ventura(Stonecold Records) /Chris Mac(1st Class Records)/Marco B & DJ Safe/Rinse & Instigator/(Ruff FM)/Rojay & Bigga(Pure Magic FM)/Wesley J (Mac FM)/Funky Smith/Cameo (Taste FM)/Vengar & Easy O(Pure Magic FM)/Jazzy D & Bullet Plus MC's Neat / PSG / Dollar$ / 2 Ton / Captain / Munchie / Sharkie p / Kane Active / MC Delero(Kiss FM)/ Flavor / Wicked / Double G / Freestyle Vision / Preshus & Millar / Mr Kaos Live P.A's MC Neat performing & "G.A.R.A.G.E"/ DJ RD & Malakie performing "Sweet Baby"Dj Munchie / Donna Cousins(500 Records)Performing "One Night" PLUS DJ's Dj Tulsey (Glastonbury 99) / Dj Glu (Belgium) / Dj Groover (Finland) / PRB /Mike Hohn (Germany) / Tone E Gee / Dj Crazy Horses / Ben "Jammin" Wells /Kim Daniels / Leon / Dj Specialist / Dj Felix / Dj Phats / Andy Brown /Ranj Kaler /Stuart Bourne & Mark Pearcy (Back 2 Back) / Stuart E / Dj Nunny / Dj Black /Johnny Dangerous / Lulu / Neil Roberts / Dave the Rave/Danny Brown PLUS Percussion from Cappa and M.Sonic http://www.dada-promotions.com/sunshadow http://www.sunshadow.com -Cheers for now- Mad Iccy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) (Orbital) Strange Post: Read with caution. Date: 06 Jul 1999 10:50:23 -0500 Well, here goes my mind... If someone were to document all the posts I have ever submitted to this group, it might be fairly reasonable to speculate that I have attempted to undermine the sheer integrity of the group. These postings would include topics ranging from Ken Ishii, The Rabbit in the Moon, and Two Lone Swordsmen to Autechre (inadvertently causing a huge argument). I would like to assure everyone that I have no intention of a vicious takeover, or anything of the sort, and I would like to render that promise a little more ambiguous with the rest of this e-mail. 1. Well, I was at my friend's house, and he had a tape on that was playing Dirty Beatniks (more about this later), and it had some Atari Teenage Riot on it. An ATR song came on with a very distinctive baseline, that I immediately recognized as that neat one in Nothing Left (mostly in Part 1). I had heard the song before, but it was a long time ago. Anyway, I was wondering if any one else had made this connection. It was also a really cool song, so I was wondering what the general opinion of ATR, Alec Empire type stuff is. And what do you guys listen to for more, err, hardcore (for lack of a better word) stuff. Sometimes I really feel like high energy music, and I don't really get that with Orbital or Ae. 2. Anyone know a thing or two about Dirty Beatniks? Who are they, why can't I ever find stuff by them, etc. The stuff I heard sounded kinda quirky and neat ("I'm a bongo beating beatnik and I just don't dig rock and roll..."). 3. WARNING: Strictly Ae post. Well, I got Amber yesterday, continuing my gradual discovery of this group. It's on in the background as I type this, actually. I just love the CD art, with all the dunes all the way around. They should have put it on the disc as well. Well, here I was wondering about people's opinions of this album, compared to Incunabula at least. Personal responses only = ). And is there an Ae mailing list? That would be really good. If not, can we start one? That's all that's coming to my head right now. Thanks all you guys for listening to my drivel, this is also a "techno-in-general" group for me, rather than only an Orbital one, and I apologize to all of you people who view it as only an Orbital one. -Marc Sawaya "A little nonsense now and then is cherished by the wisest men." -Willy Wonka # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Schultz Subject: (orbital) Steve! Look at NME!!! Date: 06 Jul 1999 09:57:20 PDT Hey steve, did you see that Loopz is the website of the week at NME? Take a look! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) CommunityServiceTour Time Capsule Date: 06 Jul 1999 13:13:55 -0400 Hey! there's now an OFFICIAL Community Service Tour Website http://www.communityservicetour.co and YOU! yes YOU! can submit suggestions for items to be included in Crystal Methods' Y2K Time Capsule. If they like the item, the mail you back and you bring it to the show for the to include. Several folks will also get free tickets and/or free priveledges to backstage for their help. Check it out! http://www.communityservicetour.com/time_capsule.html Shannon "I don't KNOW you people!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) LIVE Chat with! Date: 06 Jul 1999 13:14:44 -0400 http://www.communityservicetour.com/time_capsule.html Chat with The Community Service bands! Wednesday, July 7 at 5pm (PDT): Chat with The Crystal Method and The Lo Fidelity Allstars. Wednesday, July 14 at 5pm (PDT): Chat with The Crystal Method and Orbital. http://content.ubl.com/cca/community_service/chat/ GO THERE NOW! to submit a question that they will ask the bands on those dates Shannon +on +on = happy happy joy joy! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick McGinn" Subject: Re: (orbital) LIVE Chat with! Date: 06 Jul 1999 13:20:53 -0400 Shannon, you really should read ALL the e-mails you get :) Both the CST web page and the chat were brought up several times in the past week :) Speaking of the CST webpage, after some correspondence with the CST webmaster, I got this: "I have sent an e-mail and left a message with the appropriate person. I told them, "I want to link this site as the official, but I need confirmation from you..." as soon as they write back, I will take care of it." That was after he told me he hadn't linked the page yet because his employer hadn't told him to, and I asked for a way to contact his employer. So, everyone lay off the e-mails for a while, the poor guy's trying :) Xaos 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110 np: Jega - SKA006 (for about the hundredth time this week) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick McGinn" Subject: (orbital) Fw: (idm) Review: Orbital in Chicago (Kinda long) Date: 06 Jul 1999 13:50:02 -0400 Thought you guys might enjoy this, it had me laughing Sorry if you already read it on IDM. Xaos 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110 > > Hiya Kids- > > Ok, this past sunday i was given the opportunity to see orbital > (along with a couple of other "artists") at the Congress Theatre in > Chicago. It was part of some kind of "Community Service Tour" which > sounded incredibly stupid, and p+p were supported by the "lo-fi allstars" > and the derivative "Crystal Method" eeww... > Anyway, here are my entirely subjective opinions of the whole > thing... > > ~9:00 pm Lo-Fi Allstars-- > > Ok, call me biased but these guys weren't anything to get > excited about. Cheap rockstar stage antics (or "carisma," you pick which > term you like best) set the tone for their puerile performance (boy am > I negative). Their bassist was high on something, and I don't think it was > life, thus he kept droping his bass and actually broke it at one point > during the romp. Woo ha. Another thing that distracted me was their > drummer: any dope could see he was (for the most part) only playing the > hats and cymbals. You > either have a drummer or you have a sampler, ain't no way about it, but I > guess some people just have to "rock." Anyway, I wasn't impressed... > > ~10:30 pm Crystal Method-- > > Ugh. Until this time I was more or less neutral about this > band. But not anymore, they just suck. Was it just me, or did they play > one > long 30minute track? They never bothered to change patches on their > nordlead, and after the 10,000th zow-wow-wakka-wow pseudo-303 cutoff > tweak, I was > ready to break some fingers. Ack, I've never seen such an overuse of an > other > wise delightful effect. I was actually getting pissed, then they started > beating up their synths, which I was a bit confused about: if they break > their gear they wont be able to torture me any more, but then that woudl > be a waste of some perfectly good piece of gear, which is no good. > But I guess this ties in with the whole "carisma" thing, and as one list > member standing next to me put it "It's like watching Third Eye Blind on > synths." damn. I guess the palace of culture really was built out of > dogshit. Fortunately, their carismatic set was short > and they left the stage and orbital was able to > get set up. > > ~11:30 pm Orbital-- > > I guess they were having some technical difficulty setting > up, but after a bit of a wait the brothers hit the stage opening up with > the first track of "Middle of Nowhere" which was a pretty good opener. Zok > pow, new twists on old songs, etc. Halcyon with the Bon Jovi and Belinda > Carlisle(sp?) samples, old yes, but still a lot of fun. I liked Impact a > lot too. Unfortunately, they played one of the tracks off of MoN that I > always skip, but the visuals were pretty cool (delightful corporate > slogans given a lovely marxist spin), so I payed more attention > to those than the song. Another low point was Satan as part of their > encore. I guess they figured that american kids are hardcore and enjoy > hearing "Satan! Satan! Satan!" ad infinitum, but again the visuals rocked > so I put up with it, and then they redeemed themselves with "Dr. Who" at > the end, which only 1/4th of the crowd understood, but it was a lot of > fun none the less. But man, their set was way too short!! Argh! I could > have watched them for another couple of hours, but fortunately I'll see > them at the PA show, and hopefully I'll get my fill. > On a side note, I was appreciative of orbital's professionalism > and low-key stage presence. While the other "acts" (a fitting term) were > going nuts breaking synthesizers and saying "let's fuckung rock chicago!" > orbital just said "hello, sorry about the wait", no smashing or wackyness, > but you could tell they love their job. And that's what it's all about. > > %andrew > > * Productions at Large > * Grand Rapids, MI > * Email: asmith89@calvin.edu > * ICQ#: 41084135 > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) Re: [Review: Orbital in Chicago (Kinda long)] (Even longer) Date: 06 Jul 1999 16:08:33 -0400 %andrew wrote: > > Hiya Kids- > > Ok, this past sunday i was given the opportunity to see orbital > (along with a couple of other "artists") at the Congress Theatre in > Chicago. It was part of some kind of "Community Service Tour" which > sounded incredibly stupid, and p+p were supported by the "lo-fi allstars" > and the derivative "Crystal Method" eeww... > Anyway, here are my entirely subjective opinions of the whole > thing... Ok, I'm going to bash this already (and this is my first post on this mailing list). First of all, while I would be willing to cut off my right arm to see Orbital in concert, the fact that Crystal Method (one of the best breakbeat groups out there) and Lo-Fi Allstars (kinda like them, not a bad first album) were ALSO in this tour forced me to drive from Louisville (KY) to Chicago for five hours and check this thing out! I have a tiny little feeling that you don't like breakbeat whatsoever. (Anybody who doesn't like Crystal Method, esp. in that concert, has some serious issues...) > ~9:00 pm Lo-Fi Allstars-- > > Ok, call me biased but these guys weren't anything to get > excited about. Cheap rockstar stage antics (or "carisma," you pick which > term you like best) set the tone for their puerile performance (boy am > I negative). Their bassist was high on something, and I don't think it was > life, thus he kept droping his bass and actually broke it at one point > during the romp. Woo ha. Another thing that distracted me was their > drummer: any dope could see he was (for the most part) only playing the > hats and cymbals. You > either have a drummer or you have a sampler, ain't no way about it, but I > guess some people just have to "rock." Anyway, I wasn't impressed... While I wouldn't write home about their album, I thought the concert was a hell of a lot better. Lots of energy in that one. And "their bassist was high on something"? What? Just because he's cheering the crowd on (like a band is SUPPOSED to do) means he's high on something?! Does this make Phil high on something? Because he was doing his share of energizing the audience, too. Also, I don't remember him dropping his bass multiple times. Ummm...the drummer was playing drums, hats, cymbals, and congas. Any dope could see that. It was better than the other two bands that only use a push-button drum track. (Remember, you have to make the songs as live as possible.) Anyway, I thought it was a good warmup for Crystal Method. > ~10:30 pm Crystal Method-- > > Ugh. Until this time I was more or less neutral about this > band. But not anymore, they just suck. Was it just me, or did they play > one > long 30minute track? They never bothered to change patches on their > nordlead, and after the 10,000th zow-wow-wakka-wow pseudo-303 cutoff > tweak, I was > ready to break some fingers. Ack, I've never seen such an overuse of an > other > wise delightful effect. I was actually getting pissed, then they started > beating up their synths, which I was a bit confused about: if they break > their gear they wont be able to torture me any more, but then that woudl > be a waste of some perfectly good piece of gear, which is no good. > But I guess this ties in with the whole "carisma" thing, and as one list > member standing next to me put it "It's like watching Third Eye Blind on > synths." damn. I guess the palace of culture really was built out of > dogshit. Fortunately, their carismatic set was short > and they left the stage and orbital was able to > get set up. Wow...you suck :) I think I can name off the bands you don't like: Chemical Brothers (esp. the first two) Cirrus Propellorheads Fatboy Slim Coldcut Lunatic Calm Boom Boom Satellites In fact, I seriously doubt you like the entire breakbeat genre. Do you even go to raves? Do you listen to techno at all besides Orbital? (Minimalist or something, I bet. I bet you like Moby, don't you?) BTW, you can't even spelling "carisma" right. It's C-H-A-R-I-S-M-A. Anyway, I thought the Crystal Method set was very cool. Some nice high-energy breakbeat, featuring some new tunes. And the reason why the songs where enlongated was because the crowd liked it so far. Oh, I'm sorry...I bet you were one of those morons that sat in the chairs all damn night. It's a RAVE! You don't sit down at a rave (unless it's a chill room). If you didn't want a rave, go to a classical concert and sit down. Frankly, I think they should have picked a better place to hold this RAVE, like where there were NO SEATS and nothing but a FLOOR. > ~11:30 pm Orbital-- > > I guess they were having some technical difficulty setting > up, but after a bit of a wait the brothers hit the stage opening up with > the first track of "Middle of Nowhere" which was a pretty good opener. Zok > pow, new twists on old songs, etc. Halcyon with the Bon Jovi and Belinda > Carlisle(sp?) samples, old yes, but still a lot of fun. I liked Impact a > lot too. Unfortunately, they played one of the tracks off of MoN that I > always skip, but the visuals were pretty cool (delightful corporate > slogans given a lovely marxist spin), so I payed more attention > to those than the song. Another low point was Satan as part of their > encore. I guess they figured that american kids are hardcore and enjoy > hearing "Satan! Satan! Satan!" ad infinitum, but again the visuals rocked > so I put up with it, and then they redeemed themselves with "Dr. Who" at > the end, which only 1/4th of the crowd understood, but it was a lot of > fun none the less. But man, their set was way too short!! Argh! I could > have watched them for another couple of hours, but fortunately I'll see > them at the PA show, and hopefully I'll get my fill. > On a side note, I was appreciative of orbital's professionalism > and low-key stage presence. While the other "acts" (a fitting term) were > going nuts breaking synthesizers and saying "let's fuckung rock chicago!" > orbital just said "hello, sorry about the wait", no smashing or wackyness, > but you could tell they love their job. And that's what it's all about. The first track is Way Out, BTW. I thought that was an excellent choice for a first track. (Fav Orbital song besides GwtSiHH.) Though, there were no "new twists" like the songs from the two other bands, I really enjoyed the continuous mixes of some of their songs. (Style to Bigpipe Style was my favorite). Skipped one of the MoN songs?! Ewww. Let me guess: I Don't Know You People. Right? How did I know? Maybe because it's a breakbeat-esque song? Yes, I did really enjoy the visuals, but there was no point in the preformance that I said "Hey, I like looking at the pictures more than I like listening to the band, which was the whole point of coming here." Now, for once, I do argee with you on Satan. What the hell is everybody's thing with the first album? It was a first album. Nothing special. Besides maybe Oolaa and Chime, I wouldn't really recommend it. Orbital 2 was such an improvement and Snivilisation was even better. The Dr. Who song was a nice surprise, too. (Yes, I know what Doctor Who is. One of my fav sci-fi series.) "I was appreciative of orbital's professionalism and low-key stage presence"?! May I direct you to the Celine Dion concert, or do you want to walk by yourself? While good music is a main priority, it's still good to get the crowd going. I think Phil (or maybe Paul; whoever was the mixer) did a good job of that. BTW, "fuckung" is spelled F-U-C-K-I-N-G. Hell, part of Jimi Hendrix's biggest things was smashing the amps and burning his guitar. The crowd loved it. Now, if you want to insult one of the greatest modern rock guitarists ever, we may just have to take this conversation outside... The only disappointments were no Girl with the Sun in Her Head and no Snilivision. They could have replaced the Bon Jovi crap and Satan with GwtSiHH and Forever or Duck Feet. Also, I thought the bass was too much. It's just fine for Lo-Fi and Crys Meth, but Orbital is more of a treble kind of music. The sound guys should have adjusted that. Overall, it was an awesome concert, though. It's too bad you didn't enjoy it. If you don't like raves, don't go. (Sorry for my inflammatory first post, but this was my inflammatory first message I received.) -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Schultz Subject: (orbital) Immature Whining Part II Date: 06 Jul 1999 13:48:57 PDT Ok, first of all, I must say that I really really enjoy Orbital's visuals. I do sometimes look at the visuals more than I pay attention to the music because I think Orbital's music is so cerebral, that sometimes it's great to just absorb it rather than pay complete attention to it(like FSOL). I really appreciate when an artist is humble and modest, and they sit up on stage like "I'm the shit!" and have people chant "[place band name here] kicks everyone's ass." if I wanted that shit, I'd go to see Limp Bizkit or Ozzfest. Orbital are allowed to jump around amongst their equipment and jam. Hell, if I were them I'd be doing the same thing, but I can't picture Phil "egging on the crowd," maybe a small hand signal, but not anything like "throw your hands way up and the air, and wave 'em all around like you just don't care." Next, Crystal Method suck ass. That's it. I can't stand their cliche american techno. I have nothing against "breakbeat," but I do think that good electronic music lacks in the US because it isn't accepted yet. I had Crystal Method's disc, and it blew hard. It was just the same stuff over and over again, and they get a lot of media coverage because they are one of the most successful acts in the US, so people here put them right up there with Orbital and others. I've seen them live before too, and they were aweful, they didn't do much playing at all, it was mostly just playback. Also, I hate the way they are NO2 heads. In fact, I can't stand all that rave drug shit. Aren't Orbital trying to get away from that? The point is, the Crystal Method and Orbital have two different kinds of fans. Orbitals are generally low key, techies(many Compusci, web designers, engineers[my dad and his friends], etc), and people who generally know good stuff. The Crystal Method's fans aren't really into techno all that much, just like to jump around like they are moshing, kids who don't really rave but claim they "rave all the time, man," kids who usually listen to other types of music and claim to listen to everything "and I LOVE techno, it's the coolest." Damn, now I'm pissed off, I have to relax. I think the US needs to stop being so ignorant about electronic music and realize that it is legitamate, and not just for dancing and "raving." Sorry to piss anyone off, but then again, I do know what I'm talking about believe it or not. Ok, let the emails come flooding in to me.... Rob Schultz _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick McGinn" Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: [Review: Orbital in Chicago (Kinda long)] (Even longer) Date: 06 Jul 1999 16:47:17 -0400 Settle down there big guy, I didn't even write the thing :) The person who did isn't on the list, and thus will never see your reply. Hence, the Fw: in the subject, and the mentions of IDM in the message. Second, you don't know what a breakbeat is, do you? If you do, name three, and an example of at least one song for each. Or, one breakbeat and any three songs (Matt - Saying "Amen, and any three ATR songs" doesn't count :)) Four on the floor is a beat. A boring beat. You can speed it up to 180bpm if you want, it's still not a break. > Wow...you suck :) I think I can name off the bands you don't like: > > Chemical Brothers (esp. the first two) > Cirrus > Propellorheads > Fatboy Slim > Coldcut > Lunatic Calm > Boom Boom Satellites > > In fact, I seriously doubt you like the entire breakbeat genre. Do you even go > to raves? Do you listen to techno at all besides Orbital? (Minimalist or > something, I bet. I bet you like Moby, don't you?) Well, you were right about all those bands, save Coldcut. I love almost everything on Ninja Tune. And Moby, minimalist? Moby is dance. Not even House, dance. Minimalism is Namlook, Hawtin, Laswell. Personally, I can't really listen to much of it. Breakbeats are used in Jungle and D&B. People like Ed Rush & Optical, Fortran, Source Direct, and Jega all do breakbeat stuff. Chem Bros and Crystal Method do not. Perhaps, you meant to say BIG beat? There's a big (pun intended) difference. As for myself, I listen to a lot of IDM and D&B, and I'm starting to get into Acid and Fusion. CDs that are currently on my desk include stuff from Jega, Black Dog, Add N to X, Orbital, Pole, Photek, Aphex Twin (in the form of Polygon Window,) HIA, Flanger, and Underworld. Xaos 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: life kid Subject: (orbital) Re: [Review: Orbital in Chicago (unnecessarily long) Date: 06 Jul 1999 16:37:38 -0500 (CDT) On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > > wise delightful effect. I was actually getting pissed, then they started > > beating up their synths, which I was a bit confused about: if they break > > their gear they wont be able to torture me any more, but then that woudl > > be a waste of some perfectly good piece of gear, which is no good. > > But I guess this ties in with the whole "carisma" thing, and as one list > > member standing next to me put it "It's like watching Third Eye Blind on > > synths." damn. I guess the palace of culture really was built out of > > dogshit. Fortunately, their carismatic set was short > > and they left the stage and orbital was able to > > get set up. i remember reading somewhere that the whole "community service" tour was going to be set up and the feeling was going to be more of a "rock concertesque" kinda thing. so in that sense, the fucking up your gear and getting the crowd riled up is all part of the act. a very good act it was, too. orbital played into it (read= "satan") as for moby being minimal... i think the closest he came to that was his "ambient" album. although, to me it just sounded like the beginnings of dance tracks without the drum tracks. they sounded like they were missing something. > > to those than the song. Another low point was Satan as part of their > > encore. I guess they figured that american kids are hardcore and enjoy > > hearing "Satan! Satan! Satan!" ad infinitum, but again the visuals rocked > > so I put up with it, and then they redeemed themselves with "Dr. Who" at > > the end, which only 1/4th of the crowd understood, but it was a lot of > > fun none the less. But man, their set was way too short!! Argh! I could > > have watched them for another couple of hours, but fortunately I'll see > > them at the PA show, and hopefully I'll get my fill. i'm an american kid, and although i don't like chanting the devil's name, per sea, the song itself is awesome. and their live rendition of it kicked major ass. they knew what would get the crowd going, and they played us well. as for their set being too short... granted i would have loved to see them play for a few hours... they played for an hour and a half! i mean, come on, give both the hartnolls and the people on the dance floor a break! and let me guess, this guy wasn't dancing was he? > > orbital just said "hello, sorry about the wait", no smashing or wackyness, > > but you could tell they love their job. And that's what it's all about. i think "loving their job" is open to interpretation. to me, the crystal method "loved" what they were doing on stage, as it showed. orbital just have a different, more mellow way of showing their appreciation of both their music and the crowd. take underworld for example. karl dances around the stage the whole time, while darren and rick stand behind the equipment doing what they love to do. > mixes of some of their songs. (Style to Bigpipe Style was my favorite). don't forget that they mixed "new style" in there at the end, too! > Now, for once, I do argee with you on Satan. What the hell is > everybody's thing with the first album? It was a first album. Nothing > special. whoa. i'll tell you what my "thing" is with the first album... it was innovative, dancey, and all around incredible. in it's own right, it was as "special" as both the brown album and snivilization. have we forgotten "belfast" and "farenheit 303?" > The only disappointments were no Girl with the Sun in Her Head and no > Snilivision. They could have replaced the Bon Jovi crap and Satan with > GwtSiHH and Forever or Duck Feet. Also, I thought the bass was too > much. bon jovi "crap!" you're kidding me. god, why don't you crucify them for doing something "fun?" and about too much bass... um, do you like going to concerts much? the music generally tends to be a little "loud." -- len perez | email : lmperez@uiuc.edu | uiuc : graphic design now playing: the chemical brothers_surrender "Life Kid, suck the box." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: [Review: Orbital in Chicago (Kinda long)] Date: 06 Jul 1999 22:39:09 +0100 At 16:08 06/07/99 -0400, Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > >Ummm...the drummer was playing drums, hats, cymbals, and congas. Any dope >could >see that. It was better than the other two bands that only use a push-button >drum track. (Remember, you have to make the songs as live as possible.) you have to make the songs as GOOD as possible. I'd've thought anyone into Orbital is not hung up on the whole "real" drums/"real" instruments/"proper" music thing, but maybe I'm wrong. >Wow...you suck :) well actually it's the guy on IDM that wrote it that sucks.... Maybe you should join that list and have a go at the bloke that wrote it. >What the hell is everybody's thing >with the first album? It was a first album. Nothing special. Ooh... now you're asking for it.... ;-) I guess you think LFO's first album is no good too? Without albums like the Green one and 'Frequencies', techno would not be where it is today. OK, so they don't sound up-to-date now obviously. Doesn't mean they're bad albums. Both were incredibly groundbreaking. You might as well say Hendrix (to use someone you clearly like) was crap because music has moved on since his day. And that would be stupid too. >Besides maybe >Oolaa and Chime, I wouldn't really recommend it. Belfast? >Hell, part of Jimi Hendrix's biggest things was smashing the amps and burning >his guitar. The crowd loved it. Now, if you want to insult one of the greatest >modern rock guitarists ever, we may just have to take this conversation >outside... I think the criticism was of tired live rock performance cliches like smashing equipment up rather than of the artists. >BTW, you can't even spelling "carisma" right. It's C-H-A-R-I-S-M-A. >BTW, "fuckung" is spelled F-U-C-K-I-N-G. >Snilivision. That's spelled 'Snivilisation'. Some phrase about stones and glass houses springs to mind. >They could have replaced the Bon Jovi crap and Satan with GwtSiHH >and Forever or Duck Feet. Also, I thought the bass was too much. "the bass was too much"!!!!! This is TECHNO for fuck's sake! Not classical or Celine Dion or anything else you may have mentioned. >(Sorry for my inflammatory first post, but this was my inflammatory first >message I received.) The usual recommendation when joining mailing lists, newsgroups or any group in the real world is that you keep quiet for a bit and get a feel for the group before shouting and putting people's backs up immediately. Anyway, welcome to the list. cheers, Jon - "You go home drunk, and you'd never know which house was yours." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: life kid Subject: (orbital) Re: [Review: Orbital in Chicago (cont.) Date: 06 Jul 1999 16:44:17 -0500 (CDT) On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Patrick McGinn wrote: > Breakbeats are used in Jungle and D&B. People like Ed Rush & Optical, > Fortran, Source Direct, and Jega all do breakbeat stuff. Chem Bros and > Crystal Method do not. Perhaps, you meant to say BIG beat? There's a big > (pun intended) difference. actually, may i ask, what IS the difference between "big" and "break" beat? i thought the brits called it "big beat" while we in america referred to it as "break beat." what am i missing? -- len perez | email : lmperez@uiuc.edu | uiuc : graphic design now playing: the chemical brothers_surrender "Life Kid, suck the box." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Aim=E9e_Couture?=" Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: [Review: Orbital in Chicago (Kinda long)] (Even longer) Date: 06 Jul 1999 17:47:59 -0400 i agree with pat.. you don't understand the meaning of breaks.. oh man.. some days i live to hear nice funky breaks in the middle of the night... oh man.. dancing to breaks (of the non-jungle variety).. ohmy.. i think i'll go lock myself in my room and put on a nice breaks tape and dance until it's all better mmm breaks breakbeats are in jungle, yes.. but breaks is a whole different thing.. btw all those groups you listed as 'breaks' are really pop commercialized crap.. for the most part.. cuz i'm not as special as pat to have cds on my desk.. mixtapes on my flo= or currently include: marty mcfly, nokturnal, mystical influence, spock, frisky, sharkey (thanks reece), mark eg (thanks reece), etc.. try marty mcfly out for some decent breaks: http://liverave.purerave.com/asis_a.ram http://liverave.purerave.com/asis_b.ram ~plur~ aim=E9e http://shush.com/aimee http://www.baked.net/orbitalinfo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) Infos about the cow... Date: 06 Jul 1999 23:48:18 +0000 I've read through the webchat at nme that was held last week and i remembered it had some info on the cow in there! Looked it up and here's what it says: [16:43:05] Ant - Did you put the cow on stage that I saw someone give you at the signing tent at Glaso? Orbital 930670985.1 We certainly did...right in the middle of the mixing desk...and it'll remain for the American tour as well Speaking of that, summarizing the most interesting Q/A was: [17:08:04] tom - if there's one movie that you wish you could have done the soundtrack for..what is it? Orbital 930672484.1 Brazil ...Hmm.. Terry Gilliam's Masterpiece! 8) The most stupid one was: [16:45:52] bob - where is the most unusual place you have had a wank, and didl you use the experience creatively? Orbital 930671152.1 Prat ...what a fucken dork!.. DO show some respect, you fuckin idiot! >:-( Hope that helps a bit! ;-) DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Catinosboy@aol.com Subject: (orbital) free CD gone Date: 06 Jul 1999 17:53:15 EDT Thanks for playing, ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner for the Lush/Are We Here/ Style CD (well, a little bit of all of those). Duckworth, send me your address! :) Brent Nashville, TN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reece H Subject: (orbital) just for the record Date: 06 Jul 1999 23:47:48 +0100 in response to all these e-mails, i just wanted to make some stuff clear: * FBS, Crystal Method: - samey, sucky, weak, commercial "music", not in the slightest breakbeat. * Satan: wicked, fun song, excellent visuals (remember 1999?) * Orbital: best played (or is that played best?) loud and live, with large bass. * Phil does get the crowd "rocking" * Orbital fans are not generally dweebs (for want of a better word) * Drugs: quit complaining, they've shaped modern music (trip-hop, trance, acid techno, house - you name it, there's a drug for it) * Community Service Tour - bad, bad mix of acts. Orbital know what they're doing, and given the choice would have Plaid open for them. * Seats are out of place at an Orbital concert ( i haven't been to one where people were sitting down, despite an abundance of them) * Green = good * New boy, chill out a bit! Opinions are opinions, esp. with music and other forms of art. (see www.sgjh.demon.co.uk/music.txt for Reece's music theorem) and if there's anyone i haven't offended, YOU SUCK! umm, well, that's my own personal ha'penny i've flicked into the conversation, lick me up! reece ps. aimee, glad you like 'em :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Juno Jackson Subject: (orbital) A better concert than Community Service would be ... Date: 06 Jul 1999 16:28:24 PDT In my opinion, this would the bomb-ass line up to end all bomb-ass line ups : Kraftwerk Art of Noise (with J.J. and Gary back along with everyone else) Yello Orbital 808 State Pet Shop Boys Vangelis Jean-Michel Jarre Zapp & Roger (if they were still here with us, God Bless them) Tangerine Dream Underworld Kitaro Mickey Hart/Planet Drum Orb Depeche Mode Shannon (wasn't "Let The Music Play" one of the first acid tracks ? Of course many wouldn't agree, but 1984 is obviously earlier than the 2nd summer of love in 1988.) Anyone else want to add to the list ? NoiseWerker noisewerker@hotmail.com noisewerker@home.com zzyzx.com ICQ # 42651237 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fanno, Jeff" Subject: RE: (orbital) A better concert than Community Service would be .. Date: 06 Jul 1999 16:31:49 -0700 > In my opinion, this would the bomb-ass line up to end all bomb-ass > line ups : > > > Kraftwerk > Art of Noise (with J.J. and Gary back along with everyone else) > Yello > Orbital > 808 State > Pet Shop Boys > Vangelis > Jean-Michel Jarre > Zapp & Roger (if they were still here with us, God Bless them) > Tangerine Dream > Underworld > Kitaro > Mickey Hart/Planet Drum > Orb > Depeche Mode > Shannon (wasn't "Let The Music Play" one of the first acid > > tracks ? Of course many wouldn't agree, but 1984 is > > obviously earlier than the 2nd summer of love in 1988.) > > Anyone else want to add to the list ? > How about FSOL, Cocteau Twins, Aphex Twin? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Steve! Look at NME!!! Date: 07 Jul 1999 00:53:28 +0100 >Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 09:57:20 PDT >From: Robert Schultz >Subject: (orbital) Steve! Look at NME!!! >Hey steve, did you see that Loopz is the website of the week at NME? Take a >look! :O Thanx Sean Brazier for submitting to them! Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk www.megadog.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) Rebuttal about Crys Meth, breakbeat, etc. (very long) Date: 06 Jul 1999 20:00:21 -0400 Ok, before I even start replying to these messages, lemme estabish my position in techno: I have over 150 CDs. About 66% of these are full-blown techno/electronica music, including Chem Bros, Orbital (duh!), Orb, Underworld, FSoL, Cirrus, Apollo 440, Fluke, Juno Reactor, Coldcut, Delerium, Talvin Singh, Fatboy Slim, etc, etc. Most of the rest are techno-related, like Garbage, Ozric Tentacles, Curve, David Bowie, Stabbing Westward, White Zombie, Bjork, Marlyn Manson, Natalie Imbruglia, Soul Coughing, Sneaker Pimps, etc, etc. In all intents and purposes, I am at least an intermediate expert in the genres of techno that I like. Now that I've covered the fact that I'm not a frigging idiot in the techno music industry... Rob Schultz wrote: > (Note to Rob: cut those frigging paragraphs! It's hard to reply...) > Ok, first of all, I must say that I really really enjoy Orbital's visuals. I > do sometimes look at the visuals more than I pay attention to the music > because I think Orbital's music is so cerebral, that sometimes it's great to > just absorb it rather than pay complete attention to it(like FSOL). Well, I do acknowledge that Orbital is more mellow than the other two bands playing (though still the best band in my book). I was a bit harsh on that last message. I could understand somebody sitting down and listening to Orbital playing live while you watch the visuals. I was doing this too, but only because I was really tired from the Crys Meth dancing. After listening to two songs, though, I felt the floor calling and did all three. (Dancing, watching, and listening, that is.) > I really > appreciate when an artist is humble and modest, and they sit up on stage > like "I'm the shit!" and have people chant "[place band name here] kicks > everyone's ass." if I wanted that shit, I'd go to see Limp Bizkit or > Ozzfest. Orbital are allowed to jump around amongst their equipment and jam. > Hell, if I were them I'd be doing the same thing, but I can't picture Phil > "egging on the crowd," maybe a small hand signal, but not anything like > "throw your hands way up and the air, and wave 'em all around like you just > don't care." Well, it all depends on the flavor of the music. I think all three bands had the right amount of energizing in that Chicago rave. The more energy in your music, the more energy in your "egging on". > Next, Crystal Method suck ass. That's it. I can't stand their > cliche american techno. I have nothing against "breakbeat," but I do think > that good electronic music lacks in the US because it isn't accepted yet. I > had Crystal Method's disc, and it blew hard. It was just the same stuff over > and over again, and they get a lot of media coverage because they are one of > the most successful acts in the US, so people here put them right up there > with Orbital and others. I've seen them live before too, and they were > aweful, they didn't do much playing at all, it was mostly just playback. Bah! I admit that the Brits are the gods of...well...music. (Trust me...my CD collection is about 85% British.) But, the US still does some cool music sometimes, though. (Alternative music is not one of them.) Crystal Method, Cirrus, Propellorheads, and Lunatic Calm are good examples. I don't understand why a breakbeat/bigbeat lover would not like Crystal Method, though. Keep Hope Alive is still one of my favorite breakbeat tunes. > Also, I hate the way they are NO2 heads. In fact, I can't stand all that > rave drug shit. Aren't Orbital trying to get away from that? While I can claim to be a C-A-S-U-A-L drug user that tries pot and E O-N O-C-C-A-S-I-O-N, I wouldn't dare take drugs in a place where I truly enjoy the music. No, drugs in the rave scene is better when you want to interact with people and do some dancing. This Chicago rave/concert/whatever was not one of those times. The few drug users over there where out of place because most people just wanted to wanted to enjoy the music. Even so, the LSD/E users are usually nice people (you HAVE to be nice on E), and it's sometimes fun to screw with the acidheads with fast hand motions :) You only find large amounts of drug users at the small, local raves, where it's all about dancing and having a good time. Now, I completely respect the non-drug users. It's a risk I take and I understand the dangers involved. You can have just as fun a time without drugs. If you want to take the risk, you better know what you're getting into. Drugs (including E) is illegal, dangerous, etc, etc. I myself did some research into E at www.ecstasy.org and www.hyperreal.org before I even considered taking any. Even so, I probably won't get into anything else like LSD or Special K. > The point is, > the Crystal Method and Orbital have two different kinds of fans. Orbitals > are generally low key, techies(many Compusci, web designers, engineers[my > dad and his friends], etc), and people who generally know good stuff. The > Crystal Method's fans aren't really into techno all that much, just like to > jump around like they are moshing, kids who don't really rave but claim they > "rave all the time, man," kids who usually listen to other types of music > and claim to listen to everything "and I LOVE techno, it's the coolest." My my, aren't we stereotypical? I feel kinda insulted by that, but I'm not going to reply in a inflamed matter anymore. I'm a computer web programmer (look at my sig), with extensive knowledge on techno and music in general. And yes, I know good stuff. Most of my electronica friends like bands like Crys Meth and Chem Bros, as well as bands like Orbital, and they are intelligent people who are techies and some have been (or still going) in the rave scene. > Damn, now I'm pissed off, I have to relax. I think the US needs to stop > being so ignorant about electronic music and realize that it is legitamate, > and not just for dancing and "raving." Sorry to piss anyone off, but then > again, I do know what I'm talking about believe it or not. Ok, let the > emails come flooding in to me.... In some cases, you do, and some you don't. That's just IMFO, anyway. I think one thing that most people don't understand is this: There are two different types of techno! First, there's dancing. You can dance you anything with a beat. Orbital, Chem Bros, Atari Teenage Riot, Juno Reactor, happy hardcore, etc. You're not worried too much about the quality of the music that you're dancing to. It's about just dancing and feeling the energy of the music, dancing, and people around you. Then, there's techno you listen to. The kind that you buy and put in your car stereo. This is where you can talk about the details and qualities of good techno. (No, happy hardcore or ATR is not my cup of tea.) Now, you can do both at the same time. For example, Orbital at a rave: good for dancing and good for listening. If you go to a rave and you don't "like" the music, either you don't feel like dancing (in which case you are there for the drugs and/or people interaction or you just don't belong in the rave scene), or the DJ is REALLY BAD. (I'm not going to enter chill rooms into the equation.) Xaos wrote: > > Settle down there big guy, I didn't even write the thing :) The person who > did isn't on the list, and thus will never see your reply. Hence, the Fw: > in the subject, and the mentions of IDM in the message. Yeah, I realized that later on. Oh well... > Second, you don't know what a breakbeat is, do you? If you do, name three, > and an example of at least one song for each. Or, one breakbeat and any > three songs (Matt - Saying "Amen, and any three ATR songs" doesn't count :)) > > Four on the floor is a beat. A boring beat. You can speed it up to 180bpm > if you want, it's still not a break. > ... > Breakbeats are used in Jungle and D&B. People like Ed Rush & Optical, > Fortran, Source Direct, and Jega all do breakbeat stuff. Chem Bros and > Crystal Method do not. Perhaps, you meant to say BIG beat? There's a big > (pun intended) difference. Actually, if you're going by the Electronica Primer (http://www.plato.nl/e-primer/), bigbeat is a sub-genre of breakbeat, which also includes Trip-Hop. But, yes, I think I'm using breakbeat the wrong way. Excuse me, but techno types and sub-types are really fucking confusing sometimes. Let me see if I got it right: Trip-Hop - Old-skool rap meets 90's electronica. Coldcut, Fatboy Slim, Dub Pistols, DJ Shadow. Big Beat - Danceable, high-energy with complex rhythems. Chem Bros, Crys Meth, Cirrus, some of the Trip-Hops. Ambient - Music that is relaxing, but interesting. The Orb, Brian Eno, older FSoL. High-energy Ambient - Qualities of ambient with use of strings and bigbeats/breakbeats. Orbital, Underworld, some Apollo 440, newer Orb, a few Chem Bros (Psychedelic Reel). Trance? - Juno Reactor, Fluke, Dayspring Collective. > Well, you were right about all those bands, save Coldcut. I love almost > everything on Ninja Tune. And Moby, minimalist? Moby is dance. Not even > House, dance. Minimalism is Namlook, Hawtin, Laswell. Personally, I can't > really listen to much of it. I wasn't implying Moby was minimalism (though it -did- sound like it). Minimalism is Steve Reich and Aphex Twin. I'm not a big fan of minimalism because I believe the whole purpose of techno is complex music. And while I hate Moby with a passion, I have enough respect for the guy to not fit him in a catagory called dance, which is usually associated with "bands" like Ace of Base and Aqua and other shitty euro-trash. I tend not to like the term "house" either, which is related to disco. > As for myself, I listen to a lot of IDM and D&B, and I'm starting to get > into Acid and Fusion. IDM? I'm kinda selective with my D&B/Jungle. Bought Roni Size's New Forms and didn't like it, but I enjoy my new Mocean Worker (Mixed Emotional Features). Bought Source Direct and it's currently in my stuff-that-I-don't-like-but-I'll-give-it-another-listen-someday section. Shannon wrote: > > Well done! > I'm with you. I had the best time and 'andrew' has a bug up his ass or > something. Iwas right at the back of the floor part up front. Some > people SHOULD get out of their chairs. > > CM was driving hard! And I DID like to actually hear SATAN live but I > REALLY wished they had done TGWWSSIHH too. Thank you. > See Ya in Atlanta? Nope. In Louisville, KY. Why? Is there another Orbital concert in Atlanta? (I probably won't go. Just something about seeing the same concert twice.) -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Juno Jackson Subject: (orbital) RE: Rebuttal Date: 06 Jul 1999 17:09:55 PDT Whoa :0 , Let's get one thing straight; 160 CD's or not, you DON'T EVER put White Zombie and Natalie Imbruglia in the same category as techno/electronic. I don't care what they use in their songs; that was just a total insult to the whole genre ! That's just me. NoiseWerker noisewerker@hotmail.com noisewerker@home.com zzyzx.8m.com ICQ # 42651237 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) More replies... Date: 06 Jul 1999 21:53:12 -0400 life kid wrote: > > don't forget that they mixed "new style" in there at the end, too! Really? I have a real hard time matching techno tunes with their names, even though I listened to them a hundred times. For example, except for the real stand-outs (Forever, Duck Feet, Quality Seconds), Snivilisation is a blur even though I really like the album. > whoa. i'll tell you what my "thing" is with the first album... it was > innovative, dancey, and all around incredible. in it's own right, it was > as "special" as both the brown album and snivilization. have we forgotten > "belfast" and "farenheit 303?" Sorry, it's been a while since I listened to Orbital 1. Listening to Snivilisation now. Just finished with Diversions and Orbital 2. (That concert got me back into listening some of the older Orbitals.) > bon jovi "crap!" you're kidding me. god, why don't you crucify them for > doing something "fun?" and about too much bass... um, do you like going to > concerts much? the music generally tends to be a little "loud." Sorry, not into 80's music (except for some RARE occasions). And yes, I like loud music and do enjoy concerts. (I drove five hours to get there, remember?) It's just that the "loudness" needs to be in the right place, so that it doesn't kill the rest of the frequencies. > now playing: the chemical brothers_surrender Hehe...cool album. Jon wrote: > > you have to make the songs as GOOD as possible. I'd've thought anyone into > Orbital is not hung up on the whole "real" drums/"real" > instruments/"proper" music thing, but maybe I'm wrong. Using that logic, they could have played a pre-mixed studio CD and left. Yeah, you can't duplicate some sounds like wierd Korg effects and the like, but the more live it is, the more real it sounds, as if it's a slightly different song than what's on your standard CD. Orbital did it well with Paul on the keyboards. If they had more members (like Lo-Fi), I'd expect them to use more "realism". > Ooh... now you're asking for it.... ;-) I guess you think LFO's first album > is no good too? Without albums like the Green one and 'Frequencies', techno > would not be where it is today. OK, so they don't sound up-to-date now > obviously. Doesn't mean they're bad albums. Both were incredibly > groundbreaking. You might as well say Hendrix (to use someone you clearly > like) was crap because music has moved on since his day. And that would be > stupid too. LFO? The thing is that I can still listen to classics like Fire and Cross Town Traffic. I dunno. Maybe it was because I wasn't there, and Orbital 1 was one of the last Orbital albums I bought (next to MoN). > I think the criticism was of tired live rock performance cliches like > smashing equipment up rather than of the artists. Well, gee...what do you want them to do to spark up the crowd? >BTW, you can't even spelling "carisma" right. It's C-H-A-R-I-S-M-A. >BTW, "fuckung" is spelled F-U-C-K-I-N-G. >Snilivision. > That's spelled 'Snivilisation'. Some phrase about stones and glass houses > springs to mind. Hey, now. Snivilisation is a helluva lot harder to spell than fucking. I don't even know what the hell snivilisation means. > "the bass was too much"!!!!! This is TECHNO for fuck's sake! Not classical > or Celine Dion or anything else you may have mentioned. Ambient is also techno. So is minimalism, acid jazz, etc. Orbital's prime elements are their strings, keyboards, techno effects, and conventional instruments which are all treble. I personally have my stereo turned more towards treble than bass. > The usual recommendation when joining mailing lists, newsgroups or any > group in the real world is that you keep quiet for a bit and get a feel for > the group before shouting and putting people's backs up immediately. Would it have mattered? I still would have been greeted by the anti-bigbeat anti-rave guys anyway. In any case, it got into a bigger conversation and hopefully, everybody will know a lot more about me from these huge replies. > Anyway, welcome to the list. Thanx. aimée wrote: > > i agree with pat.. > you don't understand the meaning of breaks.. > oh man.. > some days i live to hear nice funky breaks in the middle of the night... > oh man.. dancing to breaks (of the non-jungle variety).. ohmy.. > i think i'll go lock myself in my room and put on a nice breaks tape and > dance until it's all better > mmm breaks > breakbeats are in jungle, yes.. but breaks is a whole different thing.. > ... > http://liverave.purerave.com/asis_a.ram > http://liverave.purerave.com/asis_b.ram Hmmm...I understand the difference a little better. I sorta fit breakbeat with Trip-Hop or Drum & Bass. (What the hell is the difference between those two?) Is Fatboy Slim's Don't Forget Your Teeth trip-hop or breakbeat or bigbeat or D&B? Is Coldcut's Space Journey breakbeat? What about Boom Boom Satellites' An Owl or Prop's Spybreak? I -HATE- these fucking catagories! http://www.resonatorsoft.com/temp/mp3/FatboySlim-DontForgetYourTeeth.mp3 http://www.resonatorsoft.com/temp/mp3/Coldcut-SpaceJourney.mp3 http://www.resonatorsoft.com/temp/mp3/BBS-Intruder-AnOwl.mp3 http://www.resonatorsoft.com/temp/mp3/Propellorheads-Spybreak.mp3 > btw all those groups you listed as 'breaks' are really pop commercialized > crap.. for the most part.. Bah...just because you exclusive buy the unpopular ones doesn't mean the popular ones suck. I consider pop-commercialized crap to be things like Prodigy's Fat of the Land and anything touched by Moby. > cuz i'm not as special as pat to have cds on my desk.. mixtapes on my floor > currently include: marty mcfly, nokturnal, mystical influence, spock, > frisky, sharkey (thanks reece), mark eg (thanks reece), etc.. Never heard of ANY of those...which is kinda of a good thing because I'm running out of good music to buy. (Chances are that you're from England/Austrailia/whatever and I can't get it in my area.) reece wrote: > > * FBS, Crystal Method: - samey, sucky, weak, commercial "music", not in the > slightest breakbeat. Ahhh...more of the anti-bigbeat crowd. I've seen more anti-bigbeat guys on this mailing list than I've even seen in my life. > * Satan: wicked, fun song, excellent visuals (remember 1999?) The visual were cool throughout the whole concert. Give me a few minutes... listening to it now... it's ok... sorta sounds like one of those computer MOD/S3M/IT/XMs I used to listen to. > * Orbital: best played (or is that played best?) loud and live, with large > bass. Large treble, dammit! > * Phil does get the crowd "rocking" Yep. > * Orbital fans are not generally dweebs (for want of a better word) Eh? Who said that? > * Drugs: quit complaining, they've shaped modern music (trip-hop, trance, > acid techno, house - you name it, there's a drug for it) Hell, they shaped all of rock, too. > * Community Service Tour - bad, bad mix of acts. Orbital know what they're > doing, and given the choice would have Plaid open for them. Matter of opinion. > * Seats are out of place at an Orbital concert ( i haven't been to one where > people were sitting down, despite an abundance of them) Argeed. > * Green = good Fine. I'll listen to the goddamn CD again. (Skipping Speed Freak, fucked over by Moby...) > * New boy, chill out a bit! Opinions are opinions, esp. with music and other > forms of art. (see www.sgjh.demon.co.uk/music.txt for Reece's music theorem) Hey, sorry about the intro. I guess I didn't know I was jumping into such an anti-bigbeat crowd. NoiseWerker wrote: > > In my opinion, this would the bomb-ass line up to end all bomb-ass > line ups : > > > Kraftwerk Blah... > Art of Noise (with J.J. and Gary back along with everyone else) Enhh...they're ok. > Yello Who? > Orbital Duh! > 808 State Maybe. > Pet Shop Boys Ewww! > Vangelis What?! That Chariots of Fire dude?! > Jean-Michel Jarre Wait...I know this one...ummm...no, I give up...who is he? > Zapp & Roger (if they were still here with us, God Bless them) Ummm...they sound like some 60's folk band. > Tangerine Dream Goodie, but too oldie. > Underworld Yeah...the first good one I heard. > Kitaro Who? > Mickey Hart/Planet Drum Who? > Orb Yeah. > Depeche Mode Only 1989-current. > Shannon (wasn't "Let The Music Play" one of the first acid > tracks ? Of course many wouldn't agree, but 1984 is > obviously earlier than the 2nd summer of love in 1988.) Who? > Anyone else want to add to the list ? Ozric Tentacles? -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) RE: Rebuttal Date: 06 Jul 1999 22:37:40 -0400 Juno Jackson wrote: > > Whoa :0 , Let's get one thing straight; 160 CD's or not, you DON'T EVER > put White Zombie and Natalie Imbruglia in the same category as > techno/electronic. I don't care what they use in their songs; that was just > a total insult to the whole genre ! Dude, don't blow a top and read the whole &#$%ing statement! "Most of the rest are techno-related..." Techno-related. Okay? Not techno. I didn't put them in the same catagory. I hate it when people don't bother reading the entire message and only read what they choose to read. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) (OLM can blow me for forcing me to go back to POP3. I want my IMAP back!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Loopz Date: 06 Jul 1999 17:47:52 -0400 I got a new computer, so I'm really ecstatic right now, but that encouraged me to check all of my bookmarks, and I saw the opener for loopz.co.uk. It has the MoN shadow guy on it w/ a white background. It looked really damn good. Is there a big loopz visual overhaul on the way, or is that just for the intro page? I think it would look very good in a new layout, and I realing how much work that is, too. Well Steve, watcha think? I'd like to help somehow if you decide to (or have decided to) change the page! -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: [Review: Orbital in Chicago (cont.) Date: 06 Jul 1999 19:56:09 -0700 There isnt a difference really. Ive had a hard time understanding why its now being known as breakbeat in the US. Especially since you could classify many styles of music as breakbeat if you wanted. .matthewford. "FUCK P.L.U.R.!!" life kid wrote: > actually, may i ask, what IS the difference between "big" and "break" > beat? i thought the brits called it "big beat" while we in america > referred to it as "break beat." what am i missing? > > -- > len perez | email : lmperez@uiuc.edu | uiuc : graphic design > > now playing: the chemical brothers_surrender # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: (orbital) A Little Points On Particular Things Date: 06 Jul 1999 20:39:15 -0700 Here it comes ! *Crystal Method and LoFi Allstars SUCK! No matter how you argue it, you cant win. Ill admit, the first time I heard Busy Child was a few weeks before the album came out so I bought it. A week later it ended up under my bed. They are horrific live and in interviews they shoot off at the mouth about how much better they are than other electronic artists (like Aphex Twin) because they have such a rock star attitude. LoFi Allstars are just another rock/electronic hybrid that wont be around for very long cause their so called fans will move on to the next "NEW ROCKTRONICA ACT" that radio stations throw at them (Take the shitty Freestylers for instance). *The Community Service Tour was NOT intended to be a RAVE. It was intended to be a Lollapalooza or OzzFest style tour only with electronic acts (why else would Orbital have gotten stuck with LoFi and Meth?) *Big Beat (or breakbeat if you will) is just another genre that had a promising future but was cut short by artists who "exploited" it (Cirrus, Lunatic Calm, Freestylers, Fatboy Slim on his second album, etc). *Jimi Hendrix is VERY talented but his image is mis/over used today by today's youth who know nothing about the broad spectrum of rock. *I (and many many people) sit down all the time at raves even when theres nothing but a floor. Theres no rule saying you HAVE to flail your arms around ever time you chuck out 30 bucks (or make that masterful call to get on the guest list-hehe) to wait for about 10 lame local DJs to finish their half assed sets just to hear 1 or 2 decent acts perform. *Moby...minimal? Shitty maybe (with the exception of "Ambient" and a few choice cuts) but not minimal at all. He's quite horrible at faking a live set as well (Hey Moby, you supposed to HIDE the DAT you chank!) *Green Album kicks ass! The import is much better though (if only I could find a copy for myself...) *Have any of you who critised my opposition of the CST lineup now changed your opinion? :) Thats all I suppose...FLAME ON! but remember it IS my opinion...it just happens to be right. Hehehehe. .matthewford. "FUCK P.L.U.R.!" Now Listening TO: TeeBee & K "Black Science" Aux 88-"Xeo-Genetic" Omni Trio-"Music For The Next Millenium" Cha Cha Cha-"Hat Trick EP" Todd Terry-"Resolutions" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Juno Jackson Subject: (orbital) Re-Rebuttal Again Date: 06 Jul 1999 20:47:07 PDT IN RESPONSE : Yes, I know that you didn't put them in the same category. But to even say that some of those artists are techno-related is just completely ludicrous. And of course I chose the parts that I wanted to read because the post was simply too fucking long !!! As for my "greatest gig" list : Mickey Hart is one of the drummers from the Grateful Dead; Planet Drum is one of his tribal-esque side projects (I mean tribal NOT in the electronic sense). Kitaro is a wonderful Japanese composer. Yello is a classic electronic group from Switzerland (where have you been for the last 20 years or so ? If you knew ANYTHING about electronic music, you would surely know something about Yello). I meant to put Vangelis on the list because his music kicks ass and there is more to his compositions than just "Chariots of Fire". Listen to "Heaven & Hell" or the Blade Runner soundtrack and maybe you'll figure out what I mean. For responding "blah" to Kraftwerk you should be shot (j/k; but you know what I mean !) . Zapp & Roger don't sound very much like 60's folk to me; I don't think that I could picture a crowd of hippies dancing to "More Bounce To The Ounce", but that's just me. ;) There were some moments at first when Art of Noise got on my nerves, but they grew on me and I have loved them to death for the last four years. Anything else you want to mention ??? NoiseWerker noisewerker@hotmail.com noisewerker@home.com zzyzx.8m.com ICQ #42651237 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) A Little Points On Particular Things Date: 07 Jul 1999 00:15:36 -0400 Matthew Ford wrote: > > *Crystal Method and LoFi Allstars SUCK! No matter how you argue it, you > cant win. Ill admit, the first time I heard Busy Child was a few weeks > before the album came out so I bought it. A week later it ended up > under my bed. They are horrific live and in interviews they shoot off > at the mouth about how much better they are than other electronic > artists (like Aphex Twin) because they have such a rock star attitude. > LoFi Allstars are just another rock/electronic hybrid that wont be > around for very long cause their so called fans will move on to the next > "NEW ROCKTRONICA ACT" that radio stations throw at them (Take the shitty > Freestylers for instance). Matter of opinion. I could say that Aphex Twin and all of the other little minimalism acts suck balls because they are boring and uninteresting...but I won't because it's just my opinion. > *The Community Service Tour was NOT intended to be a RAVE. It was > intended to be a Lollapalooza or OzzFest style tour only with electronic > acts (why else would Orbital have gotten stuck with LoFi and Meth?) Techno = rave. Quit trying to call it something else. > *Big Beat (or breakbeat if you will) is just another genre that had a > promising future but was cut short by artists who "exploited" it > (Cirrus, Lunatic Calm, Freestylers, Fatboy Slim on his second album, > etc). Hey look! It's another anti-bigbeat guy! I guess these intolerant guys come a-dime-a-dozen. > *Jimi Hendrix is VERY talented but his image is mis/over used today by > today's youth who know nothing about the broad spectrum of rock. I hope you're not implying anything... > *I (and many many people) sit down all the time at raves even when > theres nothing but a floor. Theres no rule saying you HAVE to flail > your arms around ever time you chuck out 30 bucks (or make that > masterful call to get on the guest list-hehe) to wait for about 10 lame > local DJs to finish their half assed sets just to hear 1 or 2 decent > acts perform. 30 bucks? You're obviously going to the wrong raves. The commericialistic ones may be your only jumping to the better raves, but those aren't the only ones. The best raves are the 10 buck ones with fairly good DJs and friendly people. (Unless we're talking about the professional acts like CST.) > *Moby...minimal? Shitty maybe (with the exception of "Ambient" and a > few choice cuts) but not minimal at all. He's quite horrible at faking > a live set as well (Hey Moby, you supposed to HIDE the DAT you chank!) "with the exception of Ambient"...I guess we have another minimalist here. Do all minimalists hate bigbeat and vise-versa, or is it just me? I dunno about you, but I went to electronica music because I wanted something complex and full of different sounds (unlike today's alternative/rap/R&B scene). > *Green Album kicks ass! The import is much better though (if only I > could find a copy for myself...) I just listened to it again, and it's better than I thought, but it's so outdated now. I reserve the phrase "kicks ass" for better albums like MoN and Sniv. > *Have any of you who critised my opposition of the CST lineup now > changed your opinion? :) No. I came to the Chicago concert -because- of the CST lineup. > Thats all I suppose...FLAME ON! > but remember it IS my opinion...it just happens to be right. Hehehehe. Damn, you're an arrogant asshole. I'm glad I joined this mailing list. It definately needs some conflicting opinions to balance out all of this anti-bigbeat attitude. > .matthewford. > > "FUCK P.L.U.R.!" What's PLUR? (No dots...modern English rule.) > Now Listening TO: > > TeeBee & K "Black Science" > Aux 88-"Xeo-Genetic" > Omni Trio-"Music For The Next Millenium" > Cha Cha Cha-"Hat Trick EP" > Todd Terry-"Resolutions" Listening to Underworld's Pearl's Girl (Tin There Mix) -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: life kid Subject: re: (orbital) more replies... (3) Date: 06 Jul 1999 23:13:08 -0600 > >* Drugs: quit complaining, they've shaped modern music (trip-hop, trance, > > acid techno, house - you name it, there's a drug for it) > > Hell, they shaped all of rock, too. > it's funny, a friend and i were discussing the use of drugs and music. and we came to the conclusion that the two major genres of music that don't use drugs are christian rock and country. which just, coincidentally, have no association to illegal drugs. the closest they come is beer, and that just makes you sloppy. > > * Green = good > > Fine. I'll listen to the goddamn CD again. (Skipping Speed Freak, fucked over by > > Moby...) > see if you can find the european import, it has a couple of different tracks. more importantly, it has the original version of speed freak. > NoiseWerker wrote: > > > > In my opinion, this would the bomb-ass line up to end all bomb-ass > > line ups : > > Kraftwerk > Blah... > you've never seen them live, eh? trust me, they sound a lot better when they've got bass. > > Art of Noise (with J.J. and Gary back along with everyone else) > Enhh...they're ok. > do yourself a favor and pick up, "who's afraid of..." and "the seduction of claude debussy" by the AoN. > > Yello > Who? > their first break into the mainstream was having their song "oh yeah" on the soundtrack of "ferris bueller's day off." > >Pet Shop Boys >Ewww! ack! what are you talking about? PSB rock! > >Vangelis >What?! That Chariots of Fire dude?! pick up, "themes" and "antartica." i'll agree that i wouldn't put him on the same bill as the previous bands, though. >>Underworld >Yeah...the first good one I heard. >>Kitaro >Who? in the same vein as vangelis. -- len perez | email : lmperez@uiuc.edu | uiuc : graphic design now playing: underworld_bruce lee "I was under the influence" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: life kid Subject: Re: (orbital) More replies...(2) Date: 06 Jul 1999 23:14:29 -0600 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > life kid wrote: > > Really? I have a real hard time matching techno tunes with their names, even > though I listened to them a hundred times. For example, except for the real > stand-outs (Forever, Duck Feet, Quality Seconds), Snivilisation is a blur even > though I really like the album. i guess i just like music a lot, or something. as for me, i think every song on that album is a real stand-out. > Sorry, it's been a while since I listened to Orbital 1. Listening to > Snivilisation now. Just finished with Diversions and Orbital 2. (That concert > got me back into listening some of the older Orbitals.) tell me about it. the way back home, i popped in the second disc (of the second release) of "insides" and played tracks 2 and 5 as loud as i possibly could! -- len perez | email : lmperez@uiuc.edu | uiuc : graphic design now playing: the orb_u.f.orb (bandalu mix) "I was under the influence" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Re-Rebuttal Again Date: 07 Jul 1999 00:34:51 -0400 Juno Jackson wrote: > > IN RESPONSE : > > Yes, I know that you didn't put them in the same category. But to even > say that some of those artists are techno-related is just completely > ludicrous. And of course I chose the parts that I wanted to read because the > post was simply too fucking long !!! Have you even heard Natalie Imbruglia past Torn? Torn is her worst song! I don't know why they even play that on the radio all the time. (I guess the same could be said for FBS's Praise You and Garbage's Special.) She has a mixer, too. I'd put her in the same catagory as Bjork for most of her songs. Plus her singles get mixed by techno artists. (For example, her Smoke single contains remixes by Martyn Phillips, Ganja Kru, Way Out West, and The Beloved.) And White/Rob Zombie's last two albums are industrial. Industrial = techno + metal. Thus, techno-related. Research before you answer, my friend. > As for my "greatest gig" list : > > Mickey Hart is one of the drummers from the Grateful Dead; Planet Drum is > one of his tribal-esque side projects (I mean tribal NOT in the electronic > sense). Hmmm..."tribal NOT in the electronic sense"? Why would it belong in a electronic concert/rave? > Kitaro is a wonderful Japanese composer. Techno? I do have an interest in the Japanese techno scene. > Yello is a classic electronic group from Switzerland (where have you been > for the last 20 years or so ? If you knew ANYTHING about electronic music, > you would surely know something about Yello). Might have been in the back of my mind, but I've never heard anything from them. > I meant to put Vangelis on the list because his music kicks ass and there > is more to his compositions than just "Chariots of Fire". Listen to "Heaven > & Hell" or the Blade Runner soundtrack and maybe you'll figure out what I > mean. Hmmmm... > For responding "blah" to Kraftwerk you should be shot (j/k; but you know > what I mean !) . Sorry, way too Speak-and-Spellish for my tastes. > Zapp & Roger don't sound very much like 60's folk to me; I don't think that > I could picture a crowd of hippies dancing to "More Bounce To The Ounce", > but that's just me. ;) I just said that the band name sounded like a 60's folk group. I've heard of the name, but I have no idea what catagory it goes under. > There were some moments at first when Art of Noise got on my nerves, but > they grew on me and I have loved them to death for the last four years. I listened to their newest album on a listening station, and the thing that got on my nerves was the retro 1800's sounds (which they brag about). Dammit...I want new sounds, not old. > Anything else you want to mention ??? Go listen to Orzic Tentacles. Best damn "space rock" band I've ever heard. You'll love them if you like T.Dream. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: life kid Subject: re: (orbital) more replies... (3) Date: 06 Jul 1999 23:40:26 -0500 (CDT) > > >* Drugs: quit complaining, they've shaped modern music (trip-hop, trance, > > > acid techno, house - you name it, there's a drug for it) > > > > Hell, they shaped all of rock, too. > > > it's funny, a friend and i were discussing the use of drugs and music. > and we came to the conclusion that the two major genres of music that > don't use drugs are christian rock and country. which just, > coincidentally, have no association to illegal drugs. the closest they > come is beer, and that just makes you sloppy. okay, re-reading that made me realize that i made no sense. what i was trying to say was that the two genres of music that are probably the most boring to listen to, are the two that don't associate themselves with illegal drugs. thank you. -- len perez | email : lmperez@uiuc.edu | uiuc : graphic design now playing: cypress hill_hits from the bong "Life Kid, suck the box." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Schultz Subject: (orbital) Can we all shut up now!? Date: 06 Jul 1999 21:42:09 PDT Would you fucking pansies stop this shit? Please stop. It's getting on my(and undoubtably everyone else's) nerves. You filled up my mailbox with your jibber jabber, sounding like a bunch of school girls, and I'm sick of hearing you children bicker about categories and shit. I will say it blatantly, just shut up! What is the point of all this? Why do you have to prove to the entire list about minor points, when you could be responding personally to people with whom you disagree? I'm sure nobody here wants to see your mails that are so unrelated to Orbital. Ok, well, just put it behind you and forget about it ok? Thank you. Robert Schultz _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) more replies... (3) Date: 07 Jul 1999 00:50:18 -0400 life kid wrote: > > it's funny, a friend and i were discussing the use of drugs and music. > and we came to the conclusion that the two major genres of music that > don't use drugs are christian rock and country. which just, > coincidentally, have no association to illegal drugs. the closest they > come is beer, and that just makes you sloppy. Ok, country was influenced by lots of beer (which, since it's a mind-altering substance, is a "drug"). Ok, does Christian Rock even count? :) BTW, where's the classical connection. (Probably easy if I thought hard enough, but I wanted to know what you found.) > see if you can find the european import, it has a couple of different > tracks. more importantly, it has the original version of speed freak. Errr...I wished I bought that in the first place, but that seems like a lot of money for something I doubt I'm going to listen to often. > you've never seen them live, eh? trust me, they sound a lot better when > they've got bass. This is true... > do yourself a favor and pick up, "who's afraid of..." and "the seduction > of claude debussy" by the AoN. I'll keep it in mind. > their first break into the mainstream was having their song "oh yeah" on the > soundtrack of "ferris bueller's day off." Ahhh...that's where I heard that name. At the time that I first heard it, it was probably in the rap catagory, but I dunno...techno-rap? > ack! what are you talking about? PSB rock! Hmmm...maybe I'm accidently fitting them in the catagory of Beach Boys. What catagory do they fit in? > pick up, "themes" and "antartica." i'll agree that i wouldn't put him > on the same bill as the previous bands, though. You aren't one of those wierdos that convinces people to listen to Yanni, are you? > now playing: underworld_bruce lee Playing Natialie Imbruglia's Smoke single. (Follow the trail of previous messages...) Good UW song, BTW. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Can we all shut up now!? Date: 07 Jul 1999 01:00:42 -0400 Robert Schultz wrote: > > Would you fucking pansies stop this shit? Please stop. It's getting on > my(and undoubtably everyone else's) nerves. You filled up my mailbox with > your jibber jabber, sounding like a bunch of school girls, and I'm sick of > hearing you children bicker about categories and shit. I will say it > blatantly, just shut up! What is the point of all this? Why do you have to > prove to the entire list about minor points, when you could be responding > personally to people with whom you disagree? I'm sure nobody here wants to > see your mails that are so unrelated to Orbital. Ok, well, just put it > behind you and forget about it ok? Thank you. It was my understanding that, while Orbital is the main theme of the mailing list, that this was a techno mailing list. I know I'm a newcomer to this list, but I think I have a lot of backing from other people on that statement. Responding -privately- with people on the ML totally defeats the purpose of a -public- ML. If you're worried about filling up your e-mail box, why did you even subscribe to popular mailing list such as this? (Frankly, I'd much prefer a message forum format. I'll post another message detailing this idea at another time.) -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Funkenstein" Subject: Re: (orbital) Rebuttal about Crys Meth, breakbeat, etc. (very long) Date: 07 Jul 1999 01:50:15 -0400 >In all intents and purposes, I am at least an intermediate expert in the genres >of techno that I like. That's a bad way to start...I am up around 400 CD's (techno (tons of genres), blues, jazz, folk, rock, hiphop, etc). The problem is when you list groups you're into then call yourself an "intermediate expert" there are always people who will think you are a moron for saying that...and they may well be right. This is especially true when you list really mainstream groups (for the most part). There are always a TON of "underground" groups that are often much better than what you hear. Now, I'm not trying to critisize you or your musical taste, all I am going to say is that there _few_ people around that can really call themselves anything close to experts in a genre...mostly people who make a living off of knowing the genre. >Well, it all depends on the flavor of the music. I think all three bands had >the right amount of energizing in that Chicago rave. The more energy in your >music, the more energy in your "egging on". Just a comment...IMHO Orbital, Crystal Meth and whoever the third group was is NOT in any sense of the word a rave...like I said just my opinion. >Bah! I admit that the Brits are the gods of...well...music. (Trust me...my CD >collection is about 85% British.) But, the US still does some cool music >sometimes, though. (Alternative music is not one of them.) Crystal Method, What? Hello? New York DJ's? Soulslinger? 1.8.7.? DJ Micro? Not to mention the countless more "underground" DJ's that are around... Britain has a more mature electronic music scene, but you are f'ing nuts if you think that most or all of the "good" Dj's are british... >Drugs (including E) is illegal, dangerous, etc, etc. I myself did some research >into E at www.ecstasy.org and www.hyperreal.org before I even considered taking >any. Even so, I probably won't get into anything else like LSD or Special K. I'm not trying to tell you not to do E (I've given serious consideration to doing it myself) but I JUST heard of a new study that says it does some long term, irreversible damage. (Just a recomendation to keep watching for more info...like I said I'm not trying to tell you what to do). Unfortunately I didn't catch much about it on the radio... >(look at my sig), with extensive knowledge on techno and music in general. And >yes, I know good stuff. Most of my electronica friends like bands like Crys >Meth and Chem Bros, as well as bands like Orbital, and they are intelligent >people who are techies and some have been (or still going) in the rave scene. I diagree that you have extensive knowledge of music and/or techno. Most of the stuff you listed is HELLA mainstream...that's FINE...but I find it hard to believe that you would list so little "non-radio" stuff if you had heard of it. I'm not trying to critisize your interest in more mainstream techno I like a lot of it myself, but what you get exposed to varies SO much by location, etc...it's foolish to say you have "extensive knowledge". To me, it doesn't sound like you've been to a lot of "real" raves. I haven't either, to be honest (somewhere around 6 or 7) but each one I go to gives me a deluge of new DJ's I've never heard of. Some of the most incredible DJ's are VERY VERY hard or impossible to find in record stores etc. So just because your collection encompasses a lot of what you find at the record store BY NO MEANS makes you any kind of an expert on electronica. >Trip-Hop - Old-skool rap meets 90's electronica. Coldcut, Fatboy Slim, Dub >Pistols, DJ Shadow. Decent definition, bad examples (except for shadow and maybe coldcut (never heard of him). Fatboy Slim is bigbeat. Dub Pistols are bigbeat-ish and dub-ish with maybe some trip-hop mixed in. >Big Beat - Danceable, high-energy with complex rhythems. Chem Bros, Crys Meth, >Cirrus, some of the Trip-Hops. No trip-hop and bigbeat have very little in common. Bigbeat is not much into complex ruthm's either. If you want a complex rhythm try jungle. >Ambient - Music that is relaxing, but interesting. The Orb, Brian Eno, older >FSoL. I agree although FSOL encroaches into other genre's too... >Trance? - Juno Reactor, Fluke, Dayspring Collective. Juno reactor yes, fluke no, DC don't know. Trance has sub genre's like Goa Trance (man with no name, Prana, Juno Reactor, etc) and Progressive trance (DJ Micro and the like). >I wasn't implying Moby was minimalism (though it -did- sound like it). >Minimalism is Steve Reich and Aphex Twin. I'm not a big fan of minimalism >because I believe the whole purpose of techno is complex music. AE is more like minimalism to me...I wouldn't call Aphex twin minimalism at all... >And while I hate Moby with a passion, I have enough respect for the guy to not >fit him in a catagory called dance, which is usually associated with "bands" >like Ace of Base and Aqua and other shitty euro-trash. I tend not to like the >term "house" either, which is related to disco. House isn't the same as disco. Nor is Prograssive house or Deep House or UK HOuse...I thought you were an expert? (Sorry had to throw one needle in there) >IDM? I'm kinda selective with my D&B/Jungle. Bought Roni Size's New Forms and >didn't like it, but I enjoy my new Mocean Worker (Mixed Emotional Features). >Bought Source Direct and it's currently in my >stuff-that-I-don't-like-but-I'll-give-it-another-listen-someday section. Try "This is Jungle Sky Volume I"....it is an I N C R E D I B L E album...lots of good Jungle (not really any pur DnB (too many other samples, instruments etc...just classic Jungle) Listen, I'm not trying to critisize your musical taste AT ALL. I just object to the fact that you call yourself an expert or intermediate expert. I have spent a LOT of time and money on my techno collection and I am Nowhere near being ANY kind of expert...there's just too much out there. You also downplay American techno, which tells me that you just haven't been exposed to some of the more underground stuff. I'm not trying to promote myself as knowing all this rare crazy shit, or trying to say that rare = good and popular = bad...not AT ALL. But I used to think I knew something about electronic music until I met some people who had stuff I had never heard of that blew my mind. I also went to a rave here and there and was blown away by some stuff I heard. Okay enough...I've got to go to bed... David O'Connor - dco2393@rit.edu Assistant Systems Administrator College of Business, Rochester Institute of Technology Work: (716)475-2371 Cell/Voice Mail: (716)820-0729 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick McGinn" Subject: Re: (orbital) Can we all shut up now!? Date: 07 Jul 1999 02:47:14 -0400 > Would you fucking pansies stop this shit? Please stop. It's getting on > my(and undoubtably everyone else's) nerves. You filled up my mailbox with > your jibber jabber, sounding like a bunch of school girls, and I'm sick of > hearing you children bicker about categories and shit. I will say it > blatantly, just shut up! What is the point of all this? Why do you have to > prove to the entire list about minor points, when you could be responding > personally to people with whom you disagree? I'm sure nobody here wants to > see your mails that are so unrelated to Orbital. Ok, well, just put it > behind you and forget about it ok? Thank you. Listen. You've got three options: 1) Learn how to use your mail software. It has filters and killfiles for a reason. Not to mention, your keyboard has a delete key. 2) If you can't handle the amount of e-mail you get, unsubscribe. 3) Whine. Which is the most constructive? Mailing lists do not stay on topic because people have multiple interests... Maybe it's just me, but I'm more into people than I am music. I'm here to participate in the Orbital community, not just so I can read tour diaries (which I love) and news. It'd be fucking boring if that was all that went on. I'd have unsubbed long ago. I like this discussion. If I didn't, I'd either be hitting the delete key, or setting up a filter to do it for me. I get somewhere between 50 and 200 emails a day, it's not hard to manage. Hugs and kisses, Xaos 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Juno Jackson Subject: (orbital) Re-Re-Rebuttal Date: 06 Jul 1999 23:57:07 PDT To Brendan : (FIRST, FOR THE REST OF YOU, I MUST SAY THAT THIS WHOLE THING HAS BEEN QUITE A REFRESHING CHANGE FROM ALL OF THE AUTECHRE BULLSHIT WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING ! I've never seen a newcomer with so much spunk and energy !!) 1) If Natalie Imbruglia clearly sounds more electronic than "Torn", I will actually consider listening to the rest of her album. 2) Industrial is a part of electronic music, but I still consider Rob to be more in the metal genre. Either way, he's still going to hell ! ;) 3) What I meant by tribal not being in the electronic sense is that Mickey Hart and Planet Drum are more traditionally tribal, in the world music, Native American sense. 4) Kitaro is more new age/ambient than techno. 5) Sorry regarding the whole Zapp & Roger thing. I didn't realize that you were only going by the name alone. Yeah; they are FAR from 60's folk ! 6) Pet Shop Boys are nowhere near the Beach Boys, although it was a nice pun ! Ever hear "West End Girls" ? 7) VANGELIS IS STILL THE BOMB, I DON'T CARE WHAT STAGE YOU PUT HIM ON !!! My mom likes Yanni very much as well, thank you ! 8) Ozric Tentacles ??? Name sounds familiar. More backround info please. Also, I forgot to add to the list : ENIGMA (if Michael Cretu ever walks out of his house, I would love to see him live for his first ever performance !) DEEP FOREST ("3" wasn't too much of a pleaser for me, but I still like 'em) THE POLICE (just because Stewart Copeland is the shit !!! Oh yeah; that Sting guy is good too ! ;) J/K ! GONG ("Downwind" rips !!!) SADE (she's fine as hell and her songs are so unique) MIKE OLDFIELD ("Tubular Bells " is the soundtrack to my life ! ) NoiseWerker noisewerker@hotmail.com noisewerkerhome.com zzyzx.8m.com ICQ #42651237 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: Re: (orbital) Question To Those Who Have Already Seen Orbital On The Date: 06 Jul 1999 23:58:07 -0700 Cool Cool. Bought my ticket long time ago for the Long Beach show. Working on getting on the guest list for the San Diego show. .matthewford. Bob White wrote: > of corse Orbital was last. I just got back from the detroit show and the > ROCKED. YOU Must go see them. they played for about an hour and a half. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Juno Jackson Subject: (orbital) LBC tix Date: 07 Jul 1999 00:09:55 PDT For those of you are going to the LBC show, what kinds of seats do you think I will wind up getting if I purchase my tix in the next week or so ? I know that the convention center isn't general admission like the Palladium. Will I be fucked over with nosebleeders ? Also, to Brendan : AoN 4.0 has pretty new sounds w/o J.J. and Gary. You can barely hear any "dum-dums" in the backround (that's only on one track anyway). Sounds fresh to me; of course the Peter Gunn drum loop and the Moments In Love samples are mainly there for nostalgia. Does it really matter anyway ? It's been 10 years since they left ; I'm DAMN glad that they're back !!!! noisewerker@hotmail.com noisewerker@home.com zzyzx.8m.com ICQ # 42651237 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gargin, Philip (Frankfurt)" Subject: RE: (orbital) A better concert than Community Service would be .. Date: 07 Jul 1999 09:59:41 +0200 > > Anyone else want to add to the list ? > > > Chemical Brothers, 4 Hero, Leftfield, Thomas Dolby, Mike Oldfield, Adam Ant, FGTH. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Karl Schultz Subject: (orbital) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:32:59 EDT Date: 07 Jul 1999 02:59:02 -0600 Hey, I got the new "Middle of Nowhere" album by Orbital probably around a month and a half ago. What angered me about it most of all was that it took a VERY long time to be released in the US. Not that I actually bought the US release. I can remember a long time ago last year that the album was supposed to come out during the summer. Sorry, nope... it didn't. So they said the fall, then February 2, Then April 5 (which happens to be my birth day). After that was delayed, my brother, Rob, went and bought the UK release. I'm not angry at Orbital...it wasn't their fault. I wish the US record labels would treat Orbital more fairly!!! I'm going to steal the idea of the smiley face so, :) My favorite tracks on the new album are "Spare Parts Express" and "Nothing Left 1 & 2". "Style" is superb also! I like the way the seconds on "Spare Parts Express" fall together like a jigsaw puzzle, but, in very strange formations. "Nothing Left 1 & 2" reminds me a lot of "The Box". It doesn't sound like "The Box", but the general STYLE of the two are identical! Of course, everyone likes "Style", but, no one knows exactly why. Oh, I did not enjoy the static on "Know Where to Run" at all!!! To me, the whole of "I Don't Know You People" was a very horrible piece of wibbly-wobbly jibber-jabber. It didn't seem to go any anywhere, or in a sense, it was in "The Middle of Don't Knowhere"! At least, it's better than the Backstreet Boys. :!> !Hasta luego, Karl! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AJ Brustein Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: [Review: Orbital in Chicago (Kinda long)] (Even longer) Date: 08 Jul 1999 18:14:36 +0900 Yo Brendan, welcome to a mailing list. A few rules. This isn't a college thesis. We don't need to check our spelling before we send an email. So if someone types fucking as fuckung because the "u" button is next to the "i" button, we don't care. Read the email you are responding to (Especially when flaming it) a little harder. MAybe you would have realized that this person will never even see your response unless you typed his name in as well. Lastly, don't try to insult Moby, especially when you listen to music like Chemical Brothers, Crystal MEthod and, Fat Boy Slim. I kind of like the FBS album I have and I have 4 CB CDs, but they could NEVER compare to Moby. And CM blows. Their album and their live show (the one I saw last September). Welcome to the list, and maybe next time you should send something more peaceful and introductory, like a name and CDs and favorite groups or whatever. Not something that already has half the list pissed with you. Later. AJ By the way, I like the Green album. I have 2 versions of it. I don't like Hendrix. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "morpheus" Subject: Re: (orbital) A Little Points On Particular Things Date: 07 Jul 1999 02:10:01 -0700 > Techno = rave. Quit trying to call it something else. Okay, I've tried to stay out of this entire mess. But this comment really got to me. I have a fairly big electronic music collection being 150 cds of just electronic, plus my vinyl collection for DJing. And I'm sorry, this comment is fucking ignorant. I expect that from MTV or something. FSOL is techno and I would not want to hear something off of Dead Cities at a rave. Autechre is also techno, and much of it is practicly impossible to dance to. And it would probably look like someone were having a seizure if they were trying to dance to the Richard D James album. I also don't consider Lo Fi Allstars to be that electronic related. They obviously use electronic instruments, but then again, so does Trent Reznor. I saw an interview with L0 Fi and they talked about how they don't really fit into any one genre. Crystal Method, as over comercialized as they are, did make a good album, but let's put it this way, they aren't really doing anything that everyone else already hasn't done. And as for it being breakbeat, it is not. Freestylers, Cirrus, Uberzone, Bowser, etc are breakbeat. And since you love the term anti-bigbeat, I dislike much bigbeat because it is not a huge display of talent. Fatboy Slim is much over rated and it seems like his days are over. CM I don't really consider to be big-beat though, others will disagree. And just to answer the ignorant question (whoever wrote it), there is a big difference between jungle/dnb and trip hop. Just to begin with, trip hop is usually quite slow in tempo and dnb is quite fast. Trip hop is more for chilling to while dnb is more for kicking it. dnb is stuff like goldie and ed rush & optical while trip hop is more like Massive Attack and Boards of Canada. I'm not trying ti bitch at you, but open your mind to others opinions. You shouldn't enter a new place and hold it a gun point and attack people. cya morpheus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[:::Daniel A.J.Ramirez Centurion__owo*auf:::]" Subject: (orbital) I want to write something. Date: 07 Jul 1999 05:18:06 -0500 Hi There. I think Orbital's fans are not only at the Unites States or Europe. You know that. Fortunately, an old friend from Singapore, talked 'to me about Orbital and... in short, they are really so good and experimental cause I'm here in Chile, Southamerica and for me, it doesn't matter if they speak' english or german or chineese or spanish or 'hellokittymayoneiselanguage' or if they speak at all, cause their music is u.n.i.v.e.r.s.a.l to all the human beings. We need the same structure, we need a :::::start, a development, and then a finish:::: in -not only- a music piece of art..... Is another language. So different and important like the oral language or graphic language. For example in graphic design, if you draw a horizontal line that means something calm and peacefull. If you draw a diagonal line or just draw a lot of lines in a paper, that means movement and activity. Of course, someone can says, not always. Yeah. I'm currently studying why this kind of music is so important in my mind and so stimulating to my everydays activities. I work almost all day with computers 'cause I'm a graphic designer and for me, the music is vital. I found in that kind of music the energies to continue when I'm tired, for example or when I need to celebrate some personal excitement or feeling_good_sensations. Sometimes, when I'm walking at the streets or travelling in a bus, I remember some parts of Adnan's or The Box and imagine how can I can interpretate that, in images. Is so exciting and oh, my God, I have a lot of things I want to do and to contribute with my two cents to the Hartnoll's culture. Another thing that is very important is about the sensations you feel about the music. Is very similar to the 'graphic' or 'icon' concept of the images. That is, if I mention you an "apple", that apple image is not the same for me, than for you, or him. But it will be always... an apple. Is the same with audio, cause it directly stimulates a determinated region of your brain and calls a personal past-experience of the human being. I can write a lot of things here 'cause I have a lot of ideas, but I can resume all in this simple phrase : " The miracle of life ". Thanx for you attention. : ) Maybe someday Orbital could come to Chile and/or participate in our sueter.net e-zine... We're currently working in the new version (4.0) but you can see the 'old' 3.0 version here: http://server11.hypermart.net/sueter/ also check my bathroom (he he): http://fly.to/design_76 bye. ____Daniel A.J.Ramírez Centurión_[owo*auf] ____violently happy™ grafix designer. ____sueter.net project | design76 ____15038986. ____ ____Please, fasten your seatbelts...now. ____3 segundos para caida libre. Por favor todos los pasajeros, ____ajusten sus cinturones. ____ ____http://sueter.net [v4.0]: It's only a matter of time. ____this digital_Flyer #021,July 2076. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aimee Couture" Subject: Re: (orbital) A Little Points On Particular Things Date: 07 Jul 1999 08:57:56 -0400 > Techno =3D rave. Quit trying to call it something else. no no no, no no no no, NO you couldn't be more wrong techno, if you want to get nitty gritty specific is one genre of music there are raves w/ techno where i live (toronto), raves are mostly jungle (toronto is the #1 jungle city in north america after all), happy hardcore (#1 again), breaks and trance some parties have hiphop rooms (and i will not go to a party that does) some parties are techno parties some are exclusively trance (like moonshadow collective parties.. free.. outside.. thrown every friday closest to the full moon) just because there's 'techno' being played doesn't make it a rave *digs through box of cds to sell at used cd store* *pulls out crystal method* *puts it on* am i raving now?? am i am i am i?!? raves are the kinda things you go to on a saturday night.. i've been to raves lasting everywhere from 8pm saturday-noon sunday to 11pm saturday-8= am sunday.. community service tour is most definately not a rave and yes, i also sit down at raves.. when it's 4am and you've been dancing (and dancing sober) since 10pm, generally your feet get a little tired.. = so you sit down somewhere.. meet some people.. relax until you have enough energy to get up and dance again. not all $30 raves are commercial crap that's just what it costs sometimes here in toronto the average party is around $20/$25 by the way, all of this commercial music you say you listen to would probably never be played at a rave, and definately not played at a half-decent rave.. > What's PLUR? (No dots...modern English rule.) peace, love, unity, respect aim=E9e http://shush.com/aimee http://baked.net/orbitalinfo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aimee Couture" Subject: Re: (orbital) More replies... Date: 07 Jul 1999 09:05:33 -0400 i don't buy unpopular music > > cuz i'm not as special as pat to have cds on my desk.. mixtapes on my floor > > currently include: marty mcfly, nokturnal, mystical influence, spock, > > frisky, sharkey (thanks reece), mark eg (thanks reece), etc.. > > Never heard of ANY of those...which is kinda of a good thing because I'= m running > out of good music to buy. (Chances are that you're from > England/Austrailia/whatever and I can't get it in my area.) that's because they're djs.. marty mcfly and nokturnal are breaks djs fro= m toronto.. that ra i linked to is a marty mcfly mixtape.. spock is a hardc= ore dj from holland.. frisky is happy hardcore from toronto.. and sharkey and mark eg are from the uk dj's don't play commercialized music and they don't normally release stuff on cd they release mixtapes you can buy for $10-15 at record stores i don't know the last time i bought a cd oh wait yes i do.. when nathan was here like 3 weeks ago i bought kraftwerk's computer world in a used cd shop.. and like last week i bough= t a used copy of nin's downward spiral cuz i seem to have lost mine.. but i have no clue what the last cd i bought new was.. hm.. i really have= no idea aim=E9e http://shush.com/aimee http://baked.net/orbitalinfo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Funkenstein" Subject: (orbital) Techno = Rave...I think not Date: 07 Jul 1999 09:36:10 -0400 >> Techno = rave. Quit trying to call it something else. > >no no no, no no no no, NO Agreed. IMHO if someone thinks that techno being played = a rave, they haven't been to a rave yet. If you tell me "hey I have tickets to this rave Saturday , you want to go?" and I end up at a club from 11:30 - 2am listening to Diva house being played by a single bad DJ...I am going to be pissed. I would also be pissed if I ended up at a concert where some National act played a two hour set and that was the end of it. Nosireeebob...techno does not = rave at all. Raves are bigger, often more elaborate, in cooler venues (churches, warehouses, old armories, etc etc), with more DJ's, often with more than one spinning in different rooms, more drugs, more people, are MUCH longer (the longest I've seen, althouh I didn't go, was about 2.5 days) and (IMHO) more fun. BTW, (I'm asking for trouble here) Aimee why won't you go to a rave with a hiphop room? The Jungle crowd seems to be somewhat of a crossover crowd for (good) hiphop...If there's a lot of Jungle around where you are, I would think that you could hardly avoid hiphop. David O'Connor - dco2393@rit.edu Assistant Systems Administrator College of Business, Rochester Institute of Technology Work: (716)475-2371 Cell/Voice Mail: (716)820-0729 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aimee Couture" Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno = Rave...I think not Date: 07 Jul 1999 09:45:03 -0400 > BTW, (I'm asking for trouble here) Aimee why won't you go to a rave wit= h a > hiphop room? The Jungle crowd seems to be somewhat of a crossover crow= d > for (good) hiphop...If there's a lot of Jungle around where you are, I > would think that you could hardly avoid hiphop. there's a lot of jungle, and i miss a lot of good jungle parties cuz of m= y no hiphop stance.. but at the last jungle party i went to w/ a hiphop room.. more than half = of my friends got robbed or had stuff stolen it just attracts a different crowd i love jungle. jungle was the first non-mainstream stuff i ever listened to.. but i don't like the attitude that comes along w/ hiphop.. and yes.. often hiphop & jungle go hand in hand.. so i lose out.. but then again i can't stand hiphop in the first place aim=E9e http://shush.com/aimee http://baked.net/orbitalinfo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Rebuttal about Crys Meth, breakbeat, etc. (very long) Date: 07 Jul 1999 10:26:36 -0400 "Dr. Funkenstein" wrote: > > That's a bad way to start...I am up around 400 CD's (techno (tons of > genres), blues, jazz, folk, rock, hiphop, etc). The problem is when you > list groups you're into then call yourself an "intermediate expert" there > are always people who will think you are a moron for saying that...and they > may well be right. This is especially true when you list really mainstream > groups (for the most part). There are always a TON of "underground" groups > that are often much better than what you hear. Now, I'm not trying to > critisize you or your musical taste, all I am going to say is that there > _few_ people around that can really call themselves anything close to > experts in a genre...mostly people who make a living off of knowing the > genre. Why does everybody do this "if it has any hint of popularity it's bad" thing? I'm not trying to belittle anybody. I'm just saying I'm not a fucking stupid moron that some of these losers want to call me just because I like a certain band! I find that there are a lot of those intolerable fucks on this mailing list. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH LIKING BIGBEAT!! > Just a comment...IMHO Orbital, Crystal Meth and whoever the third group was > is NOT in any sense of the word a rave...like I said just my opinion. Whatever. There was dancing and techno music. I call it a professional rave. > What? Hello? New York DJ's? Soulslinger? 1.8.7.? DJ Micro? Not to mention > the countless more "underground" DJ's that are around... Britain has a > more mature electronic music scene, but you are f'ing nuts if you think > that most or all of the "good" Dj's are british... You kind of defeated your statement by saying "Britain has a more mature electronic music scene". I'm into more mature music. British always grabs an idea and enhances it. It happened with modern rock. They are doing the same with techno. Plus, I'm not a big fan on DJ mixes. Those are generally in the "music you dance to at a rave only" catagory. The only DJ mixes I've bought and liked are Sasha & John and DJ Rap. > I'm not trying to tell you not to do E (I've given serious consideration to > doing it myself) but I JUST heard of a new study that says it does some > long term, irreversible damage. (Just a recomendation to keep watching for > more info...like I said I'm not trying to tell you what to do). > Unfortunately I didn't catch much about it on the radio... I generally don't trust studies unless it's done over and over again and by a respectable research group. But, I will look into it. (Hey, I've seen BS studies that say pot can cause cancer.) > I diagree that you have extensive knowledge of music and/or techno. Most > of the stuff you listed is HELLA mainstream...that's FINE...but I find it > hard to believe that you would list so little "non-radio" stuff if you had > heard of it. I'm not trying to critisize your interest in more mainstream > techno I like a lot of it myself, but what you get exposed to varies SO > much by location, etc...it's foolish to say you have "extensive knowledge". > To me, it doesn't sound like you've been to a lot of "real" raves. I > haven't either, to be honest (somewhere around 6 or 7) but each one I go to > gives me a deluge of new DJ's I've never heard of. Some of the most > incredible DJ's are VERY VERY hard or impossible to find in record stores > etc. So just because your collection encompasses a lot of what you find at > the record store BY NO MEANS makes you any kind of an expert on electronica. What do you mean radio stuff?! I had to find this the hard way. Come on! I'm not from England where every radio station plays techno. I'm stuck in the country and alternative ridden state of Kentucky. There are no techno stations whatsoever. I'm sorry if you have the luxury of a place where all the radio stations play every flavor of techno and MTV plays something else besides R&B and alternative crap. Look...I use expert in the loosest form of the word. I know there are plenty of other people that know a helluva lot more than me. But, I don't appreciate the holier-than-thou attitude I get from most of this group of people. > Decent definition, bad examples (except for shadow and maybe coldcut (never > heard of him). Fatboy Slim is bigbeat. Dub Pistols are bigbeat-ish and > dub-ish with maybe some trip-hop mixed in. Why does everybody like to group anything popular into bigbeat? > No trip-hop and bigbeat have very little in common. Bigbeat is not much > into complex ruthm's either. If you want a complex rhythm try jungle. I tried jungle. There was nothing complex about it. Just a guy playing the drums. (Oh, but I got these examples from popular bands, like Roni Size, so that makes me a fucking idiot, right?!) > AE is more like minimalism to me...I wouldn't call Aphex twin minimalism at > all... No, you'd call it bigbeat, right? After all, it IS popular music. > House isn't the same as disco. Nor is Prograssive house or Deep House or > UK HOuse...I thought you were an expert? (Sorry had to throw one needle in > there) From the Electronica Primer: "The roots of House are Disco and many consider the drum patterns used in MFSB's classic 'Love is the Message' as a primary building block around house." > Try "This is Jungle Sky Volume I"....it is an I N C R E D I B L E > album...lots of good Jungle (not really any pur DnB (too many other > samples, instruments etc...just classic Jungle) Hmmmm...I'll look into it. > Listen, I'm not trying to critisize your musical taste AT ALL. I just > object to the fact that you call yourself an expert or intermediate expert. > I have spent a LOT of time and money on my techno collection and I am > Nowhere near being ANY kind of expert...there's just too much out there. > You also downplay American techno, which tells me that you just haven't > been exposed to some of the more underground stuff. I'm not trying to > promote myself as knowing all this rare crazy shit, or trying to say that > rare = good and popular = bad...not AT ALL. But I used to think I knew > something about electronic music until I met some people who had stuff I > had never heard of that blew my mind. I also went to a rave here and there > and was blown away by some stuff I heard. Thanx. That needed clarifing because that was the impression I was getting. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Didi Subject: Re: (kw) RE: (orbital) A better concert than Community Service Date: 07 Jul 1999 11:39:58 +0200 At 16.31 06/07/99 -0700, Fanno, Jeff wrote: >> In my opinion, this would the bomb-ass line up to end all bomb-ass >> line ups : >> >> Kraftwerk >> Art of Noise (with J.J. and Gary back along with everyone else) >> Yello >> Orbital >> 808 State >> Pet Shop Boys >> Vangelis >> Jean-Michel Jarre >> Zapp & Roger (if they were still here with us, God Bless them) >> Tangerine Dream >> Underworld >> Kitaro >> Mickey Hart/Planet Drum >> Orb >> Depeche Mode >> Shannon (wasn't "Let The Music Play" one of the first acid >> tracks ? Of course many wouldn't agree, but 1984 is >> obviously earlier than the 2nd summer of love in 1988.) >> Anyone else want to add to the list ? >> > How about FSOL, Cocteau Twins, Aphex Twin? I consider Shannon's "Let the music play" as one of the best dance songs ever. I would add to your list the following bands/authors: -Higher Intelligence Agency -Orb -Rockets -Vince Clarke -Software -Spacetime Continuum Didi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Skip Acuff" Subject: Re: (orbital) DJ Mixes [was Rebuttal about Crys Meth, Date: 07 Jul 1999 11:05:33 -0700 >>> Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: >>> [snip] I'm not a big fan on DJ mixes. Those are generally in the "music you dance to at a rave only" catagory. The only DJ mixes I've bought and liked are Sasha & John and DJ Rap<<< Couldn't resist passing on these thoughts: 1. Have you heard Sasha's "Belfunk" track on the S&D Northern Exposure Expeditions album? It's his remix of Belfast. 2. If you like S&D's mix cds, hurry over to CD Now to order Seb Fontaine's double cd Prototype. Disc one is trancy hard techno, disc two (my fave) is glorious, state of the art melodic hard trance. IMO it is 1999's best release so far in this genre. Many Orbital fans will love this album. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aronne James Merrelli Subject: (orbital) merrelli's digested reply :) Date: 07 Jul 1999 13:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Excerpts from lists: 7-Jul-99 Re: (orbital) Rebuttal abou.. by SineSwiper@resonatorsoft > I'm not trying to belittle anybody. I'm just saying I'm not a fucking > stupid moron that some of these losers want to call me just because I like > a certain band! I find that there are a lot of those intolerable fucks on > this mailing list. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH LIKING BIGBEAT!! no, there isn't, and I might be wrong, but I don't remember anyone saying people that listened to bigbeat were morons... This is getting a bit too personal, can we all just chill a bit? :) Anyway, speaking for myself, here is why I don't like bigbeat. Well, really why I don't like Fatboy Slim (he's the only one I've really listened to at all). Admittedly its not terrible music, in the right mood it can be fun. But if you really listen to it, the music is not very good. Everytime I hear it, I think, "damn, I could probably make this myself!" Its just a bunch of samples thrown together in a not-all-that-interesting way. There are artists who use mainly samples (vibert, tobin, coldcut), who still make interesting music, but Fatboy isn't one of them. (of course, all this is IMHO). Excerpts from lists: 7-Jul-99 (orbital) Techno = Rave...I.. by "Dr. Funkenstein"@ritvax >Agreed. IMHO if someone thinks that techno being played = a rave, they >haven't been to a rave yet. If you tell me "hey I have tickets to this >rave Saturday , you want to go?" and I end up at a club from 11:30 - 2am >listening to Diva house being played by a single bad DJ...I am going to be >pissed. I would also be pissed if I ended up at a concert where some >National act played a two hour set and that was the end of it. >Nosireeebob...techno does not = rave at all. Raves are bigger, often more >elaborate, in cooler venues (churches, warehouses, old armories, etc etc), >with more DJ's, often with more than one spinning in different rooms, more >drugs, more people, are MUCH longer (the longest I've seen, althouh I >didn't go, was about 2.5 days) and (IMHO) more fun. whoa, thats a long ass time... :) and in regards to the techno = rave thing, there are quite a few artists who write techno, never intending it to de dancing music. (at least I think so, although I suppose you could really dance to anything if you wanted to) Excerpts from lists: 7-Jul-99 Re: (orbital) Rebuttal abou.. by "Dr. Funkenstein"@ritvax >What? Hello? New York DJ's? Soulslinger? 1.8.7.? DJ Micro? Not to mention >the countless more "underground" DJ's that are around... Britain has a >more mature electronic music scene, but you are f'ing nuts if you think >that most or all of the "good" Dj's are british... yeah, there is lots of good stuff outside the UK, but at least for now they still rule. off the top of my head, here are some notable non-UK people / labels (apologies if I screw some of these up !! ) Jake Mandell, Schematic Records, Chocolate Industries, Terry Mullan, all the Detroit / Chicago scene people (US) Richie Hawtin, Theorem, plus8 records, Legion of Green Men, Solvent, Lowfish & Suction Records, Ninja Tune (Canada) (although once I heard someone say Hawtin is British and moved to Canada. who knows) Biosphere, Friend (Sweden) Solar X, Fizzarum (russia)... Funkstorung, Mike Ink, Thomas Brinkmann, and another zillion german techno people :) there are tons more than that - this is just what came from the top mf my head. finally, one more comment :) Excerpts from lists: 7-Jul-99 Re: (orbital) Can we all sh.. by "Patrick McGinn"@earthli >1) Learn how to use your mail software. It has filters and killfiles for a >reason. Not to mention, your keyboard has a delete key. >2) If you can't handle the amount of e-mail you get, unsubscribe. >3) Whine. gotta agree here. Unless the list operator (Hi Steve!) says anything, just deal with it. You don't have to read every single message... sometimes if I am really busy I just delete it as it comes in - and filtering helps a lot. this thread has made me laugh on more than one occasion, so it would be shame for it to suddenly end :) later, Aronne # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:32:59 EDT Date: 07 Jul 1999 14:24:53 -0400 Karl Schultz wrote: > > I got the new "Middle of Nowhere" album by Orbital probably around a month > and a half ago. What angered me about it most of all was that it took a VERY > long time to be released in the US. Not that I actually bought the US > release. I can remember a long time ago last year that the album was > supposed to come out during the summer. Sorry, nope... it didn't. So they > said the fall, then February 2, Then April 5 (which happens to be my birth > day). After that was delayed, my brother, Rob, went and bought the UK > release. I'm not angry at Orbital...it wasn't their fault. I wish the US > record labels would treat Orbital more fairly!!! I'm going to steal the idea > of the smiley face so, :) I dunno...but I was too impatient to even wait two days to grab their newest. I bought the import as soon as it was released :) > My favorite tracks on the new album are "Spare Parts Express" and "Nothing > Left 1 & 2". "Style" is superb also! I like the way the seconds on "Spare > Parts Express" fall together like a jigsaw puzzle, but, in very strange > formations. "Nothing Left 1 & 2" reminds me a lot of "The Box". It doesn't > sound like "The Box", but the general STYLE of the two are identical! Of > course, everyone likes "Style", but, no one knows exactly why. Oh, I did not > enjoy the static on "Know Where to Run" at all!!! To me, the whole of "I > Don't Know You People" was a very horrible piece of wibbly-wobbly > jibber-jabber. It didn't seem to go any anywhere, or in a sense, it was in > "The Middle of Don't Knowhere"! At least, it's better than the Backstreet > Boys. :!> I Don't Know You People is a personal favorite. It had a nice meld of conventional and techno instruments (organs are cool!) and a fast, upbeat sound. Reminded me of Bigpipe Style. I think I can tell you why everybody likes Style. Because it like tGwtSihH! (The Girl with the Sun in her Head...I'm calling it GSH from now on.) I think most of us Orbital fans love Orbital because of their talent for mixing different layers of instruments together and they are the best in making songs that follow the "layer theory". (The layer theory is defined as songs that slowly add instrument layers until the entire spectrum is saturated in sound and the layers are slowly deleted, or sometimes the process starts over. GSH had 12 instrument layers at its saturation point. Other songs include Style, Way Out, and Talvin Singh's Vikram the Vampire.) http://www.resonatorsoft.com/temp/mp3/TalvinSingh-VikramTheVampire.mp3 Also, they have such a wide variety of instruments! Everything from short sawwaves to long strings to guitars/organs/french horns to orchestrial violins to beautiful female vocals to beats/breakbeats of every different flavor! Music like Orbital is the very reason I got interested in techno. I only wish there were some other bands that reached their level of understanding. I can't believe you didn't even mention Way Out! Next to GSH, Way Out is my favorite Orbital song. No, it's even better than GSH! Overall, I think MoN is the best Orbital album to date. They added some more conventional instruments in their mix and it really added to their songs. (I still can't get over those wonderful horns in Way Out.) -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Re-Re-Rebuttal Date: 07 Jul 1999 11:44:44 -0400 Juno Jackson wrote: > > To Brendan : > > (FIRST, FOR THE REST OF YOU, I MUST SAY THAT THIS WHOLE THING HAS > BEEN QUITE A REFRESHING CHANGE FROM ALL OF THE AUTECHRE BULLSHIT WE'VE > BEEN EXPERIENCING ! I've never seen a newcomer with so much spunk and > energy !!) Thank you...I think... > 1) If Natalie Imbruglia clearly sounds more electronic than "Torn", I will > actually consider listening to the rest of her album. Ahhh, good. > 2) Industrial is a part of electronic music, but I still consider Rob > to be more in the metal genre. Either way, he's still going to hell ! > ;) Bah...we are all going to hell with our "devilish" electronica music. Besides, I know a few metalheads that wouldn't put Rob Zombie in the metal genre (because of his techno influnce). > 3) What I meant by tribal not being in the electronic sense is that Mickey > Hart and Planet Drum are more traditionally tribal, in the world music, > Native American sense. Yeah, that's what I thought. > 4) Kitaro is more new age/ambient than techno. I thought New Age and Ambient -is- techno. > 6) Pet Shop Boys are nowhere near the Beach Boys, although it was a nice pun > ! Ever hear "West End Girls" ? Nope. > 7) VANGELIS IS STILL THE BOMB, I DON'T CARE WHAT STAGE YOU PUT HIM ON !!! > My mom likes Yanni very much as well, thank you ! Ummm..oook. > 8) Ozric Tentacles ??? Name sounds familiar. More backround info please. Very popular band in England. If you're ever heard of Eat Static's stuff, that's from OT's techno wizards. They started out in the later 80's, I think. A good album to start would be Curious Corn, but they have about 7 albums total. > Also, I forgot to add to the list : > > THE POLICE (just because Stewart Copeland is the shit !!! Oh yeah; that > Sting guy is good too ! ;) J/K ! Come on...I've a big Police fan, but that's faaar from techno. (Yeah, I saw the j/k, but I had to comment.) > GONG ("Downwind" rips !!!) Gong is cool. Just got the "You Remixed Gong!" CD and it's awesome. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick McGinn" Subject: Re: (orbital) Rebuttal about Crys Meth, breakbeat, etc. (very long) Date: 07 Jul 1999 14:38:17 -0400 > What do you mean radio stuff?! I had to find this the hard way. Come on! I'm > not from England where every radio station plays techno. I'm stuck in the > country and alternative ridden state of Kentucky. There are no techno stations > whatsoever. I'm sorry if you have the luxury of a place where all the radio > stations play every flavor of techno and MTV plays something else besides R&B > and alternative crap. Hey there big guy... Try flipping on to 88.1fm fridays at nine. If I remember, that's when Dan Owens (DJ cosmic) does a D&B show on WRFL - Radio Free Lexington, UK's radio station. (For people who don't live in Kentucky, UK = University of Kentucky, not United Kingdom.) If you think good music never gets played on the radio, find a college station to listen to. It's the only place to hear independant, inovative music. > Why does everybody like to group anything popular into bigbeat? You're going backwards here... Bigbeat becomes popular because it is the closest form of electronic music to readily accepted genres (hiphop + rock&roll.) But really, it's not... It's too simple. I don't know how you could possibly think that a fatboy slim song is more complex than something by (your example) Roni Size. My only guess is you don't know how these records are made, or are mistaking a big, fat sound for a complex sound. If you want to hear complexity, check out Autechre's Tri Repetae++. Or, if you want to hear complexity and scare your cat, check out Farmer's Manual - Fsck. > > AE is more like minimalism to me...I wouldn't call Aphex twin minimalism at > > all... > > No, you'd call it bigbeat, right? After all, it IS popular music. No! Aphex Twin has never done bigbeat. Some of his stuff is almost drum&bass. All of it is evil. Call it Braindance or IDM. > > Try "This is Jungle Sky Volume I"....it is an I N C R E D I B L E > > album...lots of good Jungle (not really any pure DnB (too many other > > samples, instruments etc...just classic Jungle) > > Hmmmm...I'll look into it. I'd like to add, the Jungly Sky stuff is american, put out by Liquid Sky/OSSOM, a label/record store in NYC. Also, for some good D&B/Gabber/everything, check out Vinyl Communications, a US based label that sells their stuff wicked cheap through mailorder. www.vinylcomm.com. It's all professionally done, too (no CDRs, even though the full releases are only 10 bucks.) Also, check out www.toshoklabs.com for some GREAT american releases. They've put out two CDs so far, one of which I have, and the other I want badly. The site has MP3's for Jack Russel & Lou Frutiger's Nanofunk EP, and RA for the "Dated" compilation. Xaos 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Schultz Subject: (orbital) Phil Holmberg/Schematix/Schizoid Man Date: 07 Jul 1999 12:33:34 PDT Does anyone know if Phil Holmberg has any albums out? I remember there being realaudio samples on the Loopz site a while back, but I haven't heard anything about him since(except for that fabulous remix of nothing left as Schizoid man!!!!) I really like that remix, and I wonder if he has other material. Steve, do you know anything about this? Thanks! Rob Schultz _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Re-Re-Rebuttal Date: 07 Jul 1999 11:44:44 -0400 Juno Jackson wrote: > > To Brendan : > > (FIRST, FOR THE REST OF YOU, I MUST SAY THAT THIS WHOLE THING HAS > BEEN QUITE A REFRESHING CHANGE FROM ALL OF THE AUTECHRE BULLSHIT WE'VE > BEEN EXPERIENCING ! I've never seen a newcomer with so much spunk and > energy !!) Thank you...I think... > 1) If Natalie Imbruglia clearly sounds more electronic than "Torn", I will > actually consider listening to the rest of her album. Ahhh, good. > 2) Industrial is a part of electronic music, but I still consider Rob > to be more in the metal genre. Either way, he's still going to hell ! > ;) Bah...we are all going to hell with our "devilish" electronica music. Besides, I know a few metalheads that wouldn't put Rob Zombie in the metal genre (because of his techno influnce). > 3) What I meant by tribal not being in the electronic sense is that Mickey > Hart and Planet Drum are more traditionally tribal, in the world music, > Native American sense. Yeah, that's what I thought. > 4) Kitaro is more new age/ambient than techno. I thought New Age and Ambient -is- techno. > 6) Pet Shop Boys are nowhere near the Beach Boys, although it was a nice pun > ! Ever hear "West End Girls" ? Nope. > 7) VANGELIS IS STILL THE BOMB, I DON'T CARE WHAT STAGE YOU PUT HIM ON !!! > My mom likes Yanni very much as well, thank you ! Ummm..oook. > 8) Ozric Tentacles ??? Name sounds familiar. More backround info please. Very popular band in England. If you're ever heard of Eat Static's stuff, that's from OT's techno wizards. They started out in the later 80's, I think. A good album to start would be Curious Corn, but they have about 7 albums total. > Also, I forgot to add to the list : > > THE POLICE (just because Stewart Copeland is the shit !!! Oh yeah; that > Sting guy is good too ! ;) J/K ! Come on...I've a big Police fan, but that's faaar from techno. (Yeah, I saw the j/k, but I had to comment.) > GONG ("Downwind" rips !!!) Gong is cool. Just got the "You Remixed Gong!" CD and it's awesome. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BcallmeD@aol.com Subject: (orbital) John Kelley?? Date: 07 Jul 1999 13:11:07 EDT Hey all. The New York show (as well as others I'm assuming) is advertising John Kelley. Did he perform at the first couple shows? Does he play in between acts, after Orbital (so we can dance the night away), or open the show? Thanks for the info. Bri # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Loopz Date: 07 Jul 1999 20:42:48 +0100 >I got a new computer, so I'm really ecstatic right now, but that >encouraged me to check all of my bookmarks, and I saw the opener for >loopz.co.uk. It has the MoN shadow guy on it w/ a white background. It >looked really damn good. Is there a big loopz visual overhaul on the >way, or is that just for the intro page? I think it would look very >good in a new layout, and I realing how much work that is, too. Well >Steve, watcha think? I'd like to help somehow if you decide to (or have >decided to) change the page! Hard to say whats going to happen but i want to keep the pages as i originally intended...solo and as a hobby. At time of writing i am working with Megadog on the Total Eclipse Festival so nothing will happen for a while yet. Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: Re: (orbital) A Little Points On Particular Things Date: 07 Jul 1999 18:57:58 +0100 At 00:15 07/07/99 -0400, Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > >Hey look! It's another anti-bigbeat guy! I guess these intolerant guys come >a-dime-a-dozen. not intolerant - just doesn't like big beat. Like you don't like minimal. Maybe it would help if none of us called things 'crap' and just said we don't like them. Or we could just take is as read that this is just people's opinions and not get too upset about it. >"with the exception of Ambient"...I guess we have another minimalist here. Do >all minimalists hate bigbeat and vise-versa, or is it just me? You're nearly right - because big beat and minimal are so different it's quite likely someone who likes one won't like the other. I like minimal, and I can stand big beat in small doses after a few drinks, but I wouldn't listen to it at home. And I feel awkward at decent music being diluted for the mainstream, which is how a lot of commercial/popular stuff sounds to me. cheers, Jon - "You go home drunk, and you'd never know which house was yours." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Kloehr Subject: RE: (orbital) John Kelley?? Date: 07 Jul 1999 14:39:50 -0500 The New York show (as well as others I'm assuming) is advertising John Kelley.Did he perform at the first couple shows?Does he play in between acts, after Orbital (so we can dance the night away), or open the show? ________________________________________________________ From what I understand, he opens the show and spins between each act. The only downside to this tour is that alot of the venues dont stay open all night. For instance, the show in Tulsa,OK is at an old opera style theater. But from what I understand, most acts have to be over by 11-11:30pm!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Back with Autechre :) Date: 07 Jul 1999 20:47:36 +0100 > (FIRST, FOR THE REST OF YOU, I MUST SAY THAT THIS WHOLE THING HAS >BEEN QUITE A REFRESHING CHANGE FROM ALL OF THE AUTECHRE BULLSHIT >WE'VE >BEEN EXPERIENCING ! I've never seen a newcomer with so much spunk and >energy !!) Oh thanx...that has just reminded me!!!!!!! :))))))))) I know some will already know this! I recently read about the hidden track on the Autechres EP7 and i thought i would mention it. Its just before Track 1 - press play on Track 1 and then rewind. Remember dont have a shitty cd player or it wont work (i learnt the hard way too!) ALSO....anyone heard the AUtechres remix of Squarepusher new EP ? Love to the Autechre-post-haters ;) Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital ZIne www.loopz.co.uk www.megadog.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Funkenstein" Subject: Re: (orbital) Rebuttal about Crys Meth, breakbeat, etc. (very long) Date: 07 Jul 1999 13:59:08 -0400 >band! I find that there are a lot of those intolerable fucks on this mailing >list. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH LIKING BIGBEAT!! I agree, actually...I love the Chemical Brothers (although the new album is the weakest one...). There's nothing wrong with bigbeat, but there is something wrong with some of the groups that are in the bigbeat genre (Fatboy Slim makes the most mundane electronic music I've ever heard). There's nothing wrong with being popular, unless you suck...which some of the more popular techno groups happen to do. >You kind of defeated your statement by saying "Britain has a more mature >electronic music scene". I'm into more mature music. British always grabs an >idea and enhances it. It happened with modern rock. They are doing the same >with techno. Plus, I'm not a big fan on DJ mixes. Those are generally in the >"music you dance to at a rave only" catagory. The only DJ mixes I've bought and >liked are Sasha & John and DJ Rap. DJ Rap? UGH...garbage. By saying that britain had a more mature electronic music scene, I just meant that it seems to be a little more accepted and easier to find. I'm not from Britain, nor have I ever been there, but it seems like the house scene in particular is bigger. Good electronica is harder to find here, but it is around. New York has some of the BEST DJ's in the world...(Micro, Gonzo, Soulslinger...etc) just as good as any from Britain. As for DJ Mixes being music you only dance to at raves...you must not be buying the right mixes. Especially when you're looking for good goa or progressive trance...DJ mixes are almost always the best. >whatsoever. I'm sorry if you have the luxury of a place where all the radio >stations play every flavor of techno and MTV plays something else besides R&B >and alternative crap. Maybe it's different there, but the Chemical Brothers and FB Slim get airplay on rock stations here (Boston) and at school (Rochester, NY). But you've kind of proven my point...if the exposure to what most consider "mainstream" is so low in your area, how can you say that you really know that much about electronic music? I live in a city with one or two radio shows totally dedicated to techno, and the occaisional club with house music or tance...and I am still pretty ignorant of what's out there. How can you be up to speed on the music if your exposure to it is so limited by the fact that there's no airplay. If it was "though" to find mainstream techno, think of all the less popular stuff your missing out on. I mean, it's not you're fault, and I'm not critisizing what you DO like, I'm just saying there's a LOT more out there than what you've heard. >holier-than-thou attitude I get from most of this group of people. Alright, I can agree with that. I've been a victim of, and fallen into the trap of being (at times) the crusty old-school crowd. The aim of the crusty old school should be to show people what is better than the popular stuff, not to critisize people who have no exposure to the more underground stuff. >Why does everybody like to group anything popular into bigbeat? Because a lot of popular techno IS bigbeat. >I tried jungle. There was nothing complex about it. Just a guy playing the >drums. (Oh, but I got these examples from popular bands, like Roni Size, so >that makes me a fucking idiot, right?!) Bad jungle and DnB is very simple...good jungle and DnB is REALLY complex. As for Roni Size, I'm not a fan although he gets respect... >No, you'd call it bigbeat, right? After all, it IS popular music. No, I don't know what I'd call it but definitely not bigbeat. >From the Electronica Primer: "The roots of House are Disco and many consider the >drum patterns used in MFSB's classic 'Love is the Message' as a primary building >block around house." Whatever, I agree that house is the dance music that came after disco, and therefore has some relation, but in terms of sound good house is NOT disco at all. I don't really care what the Electronica Primer says, house is it's own genre of music...complete with sub-genre's etc. >Hmmmm...I'll look into it. 1.8.7. too...absoloutly incredible...the bass drops are off the hook. ------------ dco2393@rit.edu ---------------- Dr. Funkenstein - http://www.rit.edu/~dco2393 Rap ain't about bustin' caps and fuckin' bitches It's about fluency with rhymin' ingenuity Del tha Funkee Homosapien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Kasaj" Subject: (orbital) up for grabs! Date: 07 Jul 1999 22:02:12 +0200 i have two files on my web space that just scream to be shared with u people... #1) Orbital - Lush [1926 Trancendance mix] the url is http://daniel.monitor.hr/orbital.zip #2) Sunset Steps - mixed by leqash (71 minutes of wicked basslines under 2step beats... i know Merrelli is gonna hate me for this, but the breakz there are put to minimum) the url is http://daniel.monitor.hr/steps.zip and whoever wants to get more info about me or gaze at my mp3 collection, head to my homepage on -guess- http://daniel.monitor.hr and yes, bigbeat sucks ass. Daniel ===== There are only two kinds of music worth listening to: drum and bass. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Margaret Hadam" Subject: (orbital) Orbital in Chicago Date: 07 Jul 1999 15:27:13 -0500 i went to the show at the congress and had the best time, cept for crystal meth...never liked them now i despise them... but i wanted to say hi to all the really nice guys i met at the show...unfortunately i dont remember any of your names: the guy form des moines with the autograph, brendan (i think) who was wearing the green orbital shirt, josh from the quad cities ... well orbital was just phenomenal... an hour and a half of pure bliss... im still drooling :) maggie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Rebuttal about Crys Meth, breakbeat, etc. (very long) Date: 07 Jul 1999 17:14:21 -0400 "Dr. Funkenstein" wrote: > > I agree, actually...I love the Chemical Brothers (although the new album is > the weakest one...). There's nothing wrong with bigbeat, but there is > something wrong with some of the groups that are in the bigbeat genre > (Fatboy Slim makes the most mundane electronic music I've ever heard). > There's nothing wrong with being popular, unless you suck...which some of > the more popular techno groups happen to do. I like Chem Bros newest, but it's a different flavor than their other ones; more of an Acid flavor. Fatboy Slim is good, but it's not like Chem Bros or Crys Meth or Cirrus. It's more into the rapping, record stratching type bigbeat. (What catagory is that? I used to call that Trip-Hop, but now I don't know.) > DJ Rap? UGH...garbage. By saying that britain had a more mature > electronic music scene, I just meant that it seems to be a little more > accepted and easier to find. I'm not from Britain, nor have I ever been > there, but it seems like the house scene in particular is bigger. Good > electronica is harder to find here, but it is around. New York has some of > the BEST DJ's in the world...(Micro, Gonzo, Soulslinger...etc) just as good > as any from Britain. As for DJ Mixes being music you only dance to at > raves...you must not be buying the right mixes. Especially when you're > looking for good goa or progressive trance...DJ mixes are almost always the > best. Well, as far as Britian, they have artists like Orbital, The Orb, FSoL, Coldcut, Chem Bros, Juno Reactor, Fluke, Apollo 440...to name a few. Even when I was listening to rock, it was British bands like Yes, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Gong, Ozric Tentacles, Mahavishnu Orchestra, U2, Led Zep, Jimi Hendrix, The Police, The Beatles, etc. (I think it's more than just the house scene. What exactly is house anyway?) As far as those DJs, do they actually make their own music, or do the mixing thing? I'm talking about original music here. DJ mixing is harder than it looks, but I consider composing music a higher talent. If so, can I buy CDs of them, or are they just "local favorites"? > Maybe it's different there, but the Chemical Brothers and FB Slim get > airplay on rock stations here (Boston) and at school (Rochester, NY). But > you've kind of proven my point...if the exposure to what most consider > "mainstream" is so low in your area, how can you say that you really know > that much about electronic music? I live in a city with one or two radio > shows totally dedicated to techno, and the occaisional club with house > music or tance...and I am still pretty ignorant of what's out there. How > can you be up to speed on the music if your exposure to it is so limited by > the fact that there's no airplay. If it was "though" to find mainstream > techno, think of all the less popular stuff your missing out on. I mean, > it's not you're fault, and I'm not critisizing what you DO like, I'm just > saying there's a LOT more out there than what you've heard. Oh, I know. I'm looking for good techno sources all the time. I'll probably go through these previous messages and feed all of the bands to CDNow/Tunes RA clips to see if I like them. Unfortunately, I have a big list of bands I can't even research or buy in some cases because they are probably not popular enough in the States. I used to have a 5 CD a week music habit, but that's faded away because I don't have jack to research. I just hope that the monthly listening stations at Ear X-tacy provide something I'd like to buy. > Bad jungle and DnB is very simple...good jungle and DnB is REALLY complex. > As for Roni Size, I'm not a fan although he gets respect... What's the difference between D&B and jungle? What's the difference between D&B and breakbeat for that matter? -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital in Chicago Date: 07 Jul 1999 17:24:11 -0400 Margaret Hadam wrote: > > i went to the show at the congress and had the best time, cept for > crystal meth...never liked them now i despise them... Bah! > but i wanted to say hi to all the really nice guys i met at the > show...unfortunately i dont remember any of your names: the guy form > des moines with the autograph, brendan (i think) who was wearing the > green orbital shirt, josh from the quad cities ... Actually, that was Brandon. I met him and Josh (?) over there before the rave/concert/whatever. Speaking of which, where is he on this ML? He was the one that recommended me to get in here. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J Van" Subject: (orbital) orbital's taping policy? Date: 07 Jul 1999 16:16:51 -0500 anyone know if orbital are OK with tapers and/or filmers (non-profit seeking) ? Will they let people bring mic stands and shock mounts into the venue ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) don't use drugs Date: 07 Jul 1999 17:54:52 -0400 >Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 23:13:08 -0600 >From: life kid >Subject: re: (orbital) more replies... (3) >it's funny, a friend and i were discussing the use of drugs and music. >and we came to the conclusion that the two major genres of music that >don't use drugs are christian rock and country. Ever heard of Hank Williams or Johnny Cash. Hank left KnoXville for the last time packed full of whiskey and morphine, and Johnny did WAY more pills than ALL of the Rolling Stones[who did lots]. And God knows chemicals! Drugs = Music! Stop trying to call them ... wait a minute... deja vu or flashback? Hey Brendon! ;) Shannon 'Anuther 'un from 10EC' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Subject: Re: (orbital) Re-Rebuttal Again Date: 07 Jul 1999 14:52:43 -0600 that's a very very broad generalization that is untrue. only some industrial sounds like metal + techno, and a lot of people would argue that that stuff isn't even industrial. real industrial, in the true sense of the genre, does not sound anything like techno + metal. >And White/Rob Zombie's last two albums are industrial. Industrial = techno + >metal. Thus, techno-related. Chris Perkins It's nice to be important, cdperk@trib.com but it's more important to be nice. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Funkenstein" Subject: Re: (orbital) Rebuttal about Crys Meth, breakbeat, etc. (very long) Date: 07 Jul 1999 18:12:07 -0400 >of an Acid flavor. Fatboy Slim is good, but it's not like Chem Bros or Crys >Meth or Cirrus. It's more into the rapping, record stratching type bigbeat. >(What catagory is that? I used to call that Trip-Hop, but now I don't know.) I wouldn't say FBS is into scratching or rapping from what I've heard...but ok. Okay DJ Shadow is a perfect example of trip hop...if you've heard Shadow then that will tell you what trip hop is better than any explanation I can give. Basically, though, it's hiphop with no rapping and (to fill in) more changes in the beats and more samples. >Well, as far as Britian, they have artists like Orbital, The Orb, FSoL, Coldcut, >Chem Bros, Juno Reactor, Fluke, Apollo 440...to name a few. Even when I was >listening to rock, it was British bands like Yes, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, >Gong, Ozric Tentacles, Mahavishnu Orchestra, U2, Led Zep, Jimi Hendrix, The >Police, The Beatles, etc. (I think it's more than just the house scene. What? Are you saying Britain outdoes us in all music? No way. I mean, I'm a BIG Floyd fan (amongst other British artists) and I have nothing against British music at all, but the US has just as much good stuff...Lynyrd Skynyrd, Boston, Aerosmith, Steve Miller Band, Tom Petty, R.E.M., Tom Waits, Stevie Ray Vaughn, B.B. King (NO one has done blues better than Americans), Paul simon, James Taylor, JIMI HENDRIX (he was born in Seattle)...not to mention the fact that hiphop was invented in America, and in fact so was house music! > What >exactly is house anyway?) If you want a simple, generalized definition, here's one from the Electronica Primer: "The classic House is simple: a four quarter beat: 1 2 3 4 in a not too fast tempo (120 beats per minute) at about the speed of the heart of the dancer. On the 2 and 4, there is a snare drum or hand clap; in between 1 2 3 4 of the bass drum, you hear hi hats." >> Bad jungle and DnB is very simple...good jungle and DnB is REALLY complex. >> As for Roni Size, I'm not a fan although he gets respect... > >What's the difference between D&B and jungle? What's the difference between D&B >and breakbeat for that matter? Someone on this list gave a definition awhile ago that I have adopted: Jungle is complex and usually fast drum beats with lots of samples, synths, bass, etc on top of it. Drum and bass is more or less just what it says...drums and bass. Often the rhythms are a bit simpler in DnB although that's not always true. There's less samples and synths and more beat and bass. I find Jungle to be more "musical" and more like regular techno (except for the beat) than DnB. I also tend to associate Jungle with a certain snare drum sound...DnB doesn't really use that distinctive "Jungle Snare" very much. --------=[ http://www.rit.edu/~dco2393 ]=------------- dco2393@rit.edu | In the land of the blind, the | one-eyed man is king. Oppose Internet Censorship | -Tom Waits # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aronne James Merrelli Subject: (orbital) Re: breakbeat Date: 07 Jul 1999 18:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Excerpts from lists: 7-Jul-99 Re: (orbital) Rebuttal abou.. by "Dr. Funkenstein"@ritvax > >> Bad jungle and DnB is very simple...good jungle and DnB is REALLY > >> complex. > >> As for Roni Size, I'm not a fan although he gets respect... > > > >What's the difference between D&B and jungle? What's the difference > between D&B > >and breakbeat for that matter? > > Someone on this list gave a definition awhile ago that I have adopted: > Jungle is complex and usually fast drum beats with lots of samples, synths, > bass, etc on top of it. Drum and bass is more or less just what it > says...drums and bass. Often the rhythms are a bit simpler in DnB although > that's not always true. There's less samples and synths and more beat and > bass. I find Jungle to be more "musical" and more like regular techno > (except for the beat) than DnB. I also tend to associate Jungle with a > certain snare drum sound...DnB doesn't really use that distinctive "Jungle > Snare" very much. yeah thats more less how I see it, a simpler way would be to say jungle= sampled breaks and dnb = programmed breaks. Also dnb is more like hiphop/triphop, only faster. I should say that a lot of people into jungle get pissed when you try and split it up, because really jungle = dnb. I've heard a lot of people say that drum and bass is just a media term - don't know if thats true or not. By this definition, roni size is drum and bass. The "prototypical" or perhaps "stereotypical" drum and bass song is probably Pulp Fiction by Alex Reece (its on platinum breaks vol.1). The same for jungle would be... umm... not sure. maybe demons theme by LTJ Bukem? or maybe Valley of the Shadows by Origin Unknown? I'm sure there is a better example than that (anyone?) I don't know where breakbeat fits into this... confusing, eh? I seldomly actually use that term to describe a type of music, I only use it to describe rhythms or samples. oh yeah, someone said something about drum and bass not sounding complex, try listening to Photek (esp tracks 2&3 of modus operandi, the beats are wound up so tight it almost makes me dizzy) or something from T Power (mutant jazz, man machine, chasin' a dream, first half of Self Evident..) or something from Amon Tobin (esp. Sordid, even though it isn't quite d'n'b, he has something like 3 or 4 breaks going simultaneously) later, aronne # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) Re: Moby vs. anything else Date: 07 Jul 1999 19:19:30 -0400 AJ Brustein wrote: > > Lastly, don't try to insult Moby, especially when you listen to music like > Chemical Brothers, Crystal MEthod and, Fat Boy Slim. I kind of like the FBS > album I have and I have 4 CB CDs, but they could NEVER compare to Moby. Ok, I just CAN'T pass this one up. I'm going to pull my two PoS Moby albums to analyze: Everything is Wrong and Ambient. I first bought EiW as a risk buy. I didn't know much about his music, but I'd heard about him. I sorta liked a few of his ambient stuff, but hated his eurotrash crap he does. So, I bought Ambient. Ambient was a big disappointment. So far, the guy has $30 of mine and I want it back! I'm listening to EiW now. Ugh! This second song sucks ass! The guy sounds like all he does is find some clips from different albums and puts them in. And the clips aren't even good. Feeling So Good has a very common (and overused) D&B clip played over and over with a eurotrash crowd going up and down and up and down and boring and ugh... What's techno about this anyway? There are no techno instruments at all. I could go to hornet.org and grab any PoS XM/IT. (Note: there are some really good XM/IT musicians, but 90% of hornet.org is crap.) Ugh...this third song sounds like some really bad metal band. The fourth song is completely pointless. "It's...it's...it's...it's...it's...it's...it's...(boring)" Oh god! More eurotrash on the fifth song. They call this dance, but I couldn't dance to this shit. If I caught a DJ playing this crap, I'd personally kick his ass. Next. A plain, overused beat. A standard overused piano riff. Another overused beat. A standard "boom-chee-boom-chee-boom-chee" beat. Ohhh...actual techno instruments. A first so far. Use of the laser, but it's very brief. Back to standard boom-chee beat. Bring Back My Happiness is pure eurotrash. Next. Why am I even bothering with the rest? That's most of the album. I sorta liked Hymn and God Moving...Waters, so I got conned into buying Ambient. Let's play Ambient cuz it's a different brand of sucking: First song: My Beautiful Blue Sky. A string. Congas. Another string. Everything is so simplfied, as if he was practicing on his keyboard and was doing a cute little diddy. Blah. Next. Boom-chee-boom-chee-boom-chee. And some wierd out-of-place "saw bowing" (for lack of a better word). A vibrating string doing slow, random notes. A Speak-and-Spell instrument in the background. Alex Paterson has more talent for ambient in his pinky than Moby has in his entire body. Next. Tongues: Boom-boom-boom-boom-boom. A common Casio keyboard instrument playing in the b/g. Some wierd cymbal. A standard electronic bass drum. Next. Here's J Breas. Piano riff. Ohhh...chord change. Another one. A standard string. This whole thing is getting really boring. I think the problem with Moby in general, is his instrument table. It's very limited and it's the wrong sounds. He's not very electronic at all. If he does any electronic instruments, they are usually old 80's stuff. Also, his chords are simple and repetive. Now, just to be fair, let's put out one of the bands you claimed had less talent than Moby: Chemical Brothers. Ok, Exit Planet Dust: Techno instrument, alarm-type. "Brothers Gonna Work It Out" a few times. A funky guitar riff. Another guitar riff. Ok, here's the beat: boomboom-bam(C)-boombam(B)-bam(B)-bam(C) with chee-chee-chee-chee in the b/g. Now, that's already more complex than boom-chee-boom-chee-boom-chee. But, other percussion gets added to it. cheeboom-chehehe-boom---- cheeboom-cheeeee-boom. The repeating cymbal gets louder. The beat gets more syncopated. And I haven't even gotten into other techno instruments in the background. The beat is change all the time. I've have to pause/restart this song over 20 times just to found out all of the details...just on the percussion. I could go ahead and analyze the other instruments, but I'm already tired. But, I'll be fair and go to another song... In Dust We Trust: Alarm-esque sound, vocal clips, record stratching to lead the song into a bassy instrument and a cymbal with some creative patterns, record stratching to introduce more record stratching along with some echo effects on the bassy instrument, a slow drum roll to introduce the main beat, first part is a repeating cymbal that goes lower and higher on the volume, bam(C)-bam(C)-bam(D)--- bam(C)-bam(C)-bam(D)bam(E)bam(D)bam(C), a cow bell in another varied pattern, a few alarm sounds, some stretching effects on the cow bell, recording stratching to introduce a new riff that builds, etc. Now, you could say that you don't like Chem Bros and you like Moby. You could say that Chem Bros suck and Moby rules. But, don't you -DARE- say that Moby has more talent than Chemical Brothers, ok? -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J Van" Subject: (orbital) orbital's taping policy? Date: 07 Jul 1999 16:16:51 -0500 anyone know if orbital are OK with tapers and/or filmers (non-profit seeking) ? Will they let people bring mic stands and shock mounts into the venue ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Rebuttal about Crys Meth, breakbeat, etc. (very long) Date: 07 Jul 1999 19:55:04 -0400 "Dr. Funkenstein" wrote: > > I wouldn't say FBS is into scratching or rapping from what I've heard...but > ok. Okay DJ Shadow is a perfect example of trip hop...if you've heard > Shadow then that will tell you what trip hop is better than any explanation > I can give. Basically, though, it's hiphop with no rapping and (to fill > in) more changes in the beats and more samples. Ahhh...ok. > What? Are you saying Britain outdoes us in all music? No way. I mean, > I'm a BIG Floyd fan (amongst other British artists) and I have nothing > against British music at all, but the US has just as much good > stuff...Lynyrd Skynyrd, Boston, Aerosmith, Steve Miller Band, Tom Petty, > R.E.M., Tom Waits, Stevie Ray Vaughn, B.B. King (NO one has done blues > better than Americans), Paul simon, James Taylor, JIMI HENDRIX (he was born > in Seattle)...not to mention the fact that hiphop was invented in America, > and in fact so was house music! Whoa! I was really taken aback from a few of those. I hate Lynyrd Skynyrd! And Boston is ok. Same with Aerosmith and Steve Miller Band. I wasn't much into the 70's US rock scene. Most of my 70's music is British. (Learned it from my parents.) The US stuff was either too "hair-bandish" or too "folkish". Though, I'll admit that US is the best at blues. But, I'm not a big fan of the blues, so... Hip hop is not saying much except for the invention of record stratching and trip hop. > If you want a simple, generalized definition, here's one from the > Electronica Primer: "The classic House is simple: a four quarter beat: 1 2 > 3 4 in a not too fast tempo (120 beats per minute) at about the speed of > the heart of the dancer. On the 2 and 4, there is a snare drum or hand > clap; in between 1 2 3 4 of the bass drum, you hear hi hats." IOW, club music, right? > Someone on this list gave a definition awhile ago that I have adopted: > Jungle is complex and usually fast drum beats with lots of samples, synths, > bass, etc on top of it. Drum and bass is more or less just what it > says...drums and bass. Often the rhythms are a bit simpler in DnB although > that's not always true. There's less samples and synths and more beat and > bass. I find Jungle to be more "musical" and more like regular techno > (except for the beat) than DnB. I also tend to associate Jungle with a > certain snare drum sound...DnB doesn't really use that distinctive "Jungle > Snare" very much. See...I was coming to the same conclusion on my previous message. What's up with that certain snare drum sound? -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Rebuttal about Crys Meth, breakbeat, etc. (very long) Date: 07 Jul 1999 20:03:24 -0400 Patrick McGinn wrote: > > Hey there big guy... Try flipping on to 88.1fm fridays at nine. If I > remember, that's when Dan Owens (DJ cosmic) does a D&B show on WRFL - Radio > Free Lexington, UK's radio station. (For people who don't live in Kentucky, > UK = University of Kentucky, not United Kingdom.) If you think good music > never gets played on the radio, find a college station to listen to. It's > the only place to hear independant, inovative music. Damn! I don't have it. What's U of L's radio station? I'm in Louisville. > You're going backwards here... Bigbeat becomes popular because it is the > closest form of electronic music to readily accepted genres (hiphop + > rock&roll.) But really, it's not... It's too simple. I don't know how you > could possibly think that a fatboy slim song is more complex than something > by (your example) Roni Size. My only guess is you don't know how these > records are made, or are mistaking a big, fat sound for a complex sound. If > you want to hear complexity, check out Autechre's Tri Repetae++. Or, if you > want to hear complexity and scare your cat, check out Farmer's Manual - > Fsck. Fsck? Hahaha...file system check? What kind of music? (And I really need to look at Autechre.) BTW, FBS is more complex than you think, like Kalifornia or Acid 8000. Plus, everybody forgets that half of composing techno music is the choice of instruments and sounds and the mixing of those instrument riffs. Now, I think Chemical Brothers has more talent, but I still like Fatboy Slim. Also, by saying complex, are you talking about just the beat or the whole song? Yeah, the beat in most bigbeats are repetive with variations through. Beat is a major player in bigbeat, but it's not the only thing, like most D&B and Jungle. > > > Try "This is Jungle Sky Volume I"....it is an I N C R E D I B L E > > > album...lots of good Jungle (not really any pure DnB (too many other > > > samples, instruments etc...just classic Jungle) > > > > Hmmmm...I'll look into it. > > I'd like to add, the Jungly Sky stuff is american, put out by Liquid > Sky/OSSOM, a label/record store in NYC. Also, for some good > D&B/Gabber/everything, check out Vinyl Communications, a US based label that > sells their stuff wicked cheap through mailorder. www.vinylcomm.com. It's > all professionally done, too (no CDRs, even though the full releases are > only 10 bucks.) I just listened to some clips of Jungle Sky and it sounds like mostly just drums. Yes, the drums are really good, but there's almost no other stuff with it. The drums are too much in the foreground. Wait a minute...then why do I love BBS's An Owl so much? Lemme think...ahhh, it's the type of drum. It's the same in all of the songs. That short, tinny snare hit. In fact, every jungle song I've ever heard uses that same drum sound. It's like it's just a universally known thing. Why is that? Why don't jungle guys try out another drum sound? I think it would be an improvement to the entire genre if they tried out some other sounds for drums. There are so many other percussion instruments out there. > Also, check out www.toshoklabs.com for some GREAT american releases. > They've put out two CDs so far, one of which I have, and the other I want > badly. The site has MP3's for Jack Russel & Lou Frutiger's Nanofunk EP, and > RA for the "Dated" compilation. What type of music? -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Thompson Subject: (orbital) Hey ALL (Chicago concert) Date: 07 Jul 1999 19:30:05 -0500 Hey all, This is Don Thompson (I was formely signed onto this list as Snivilisation@juno.com before my computer crashed). Well, just like to say that I'm back and I also attended the CST in Chicago with my good friend Brandon. It was killer, snuck in early during sound check and met Paul, he even videotaped us!!! HEY Steve!!! Think you could ask him about this videotape and maybe get me a copy???? That'd be killer. Well, after that we saw him again later, when I got my original Satan EP signed by both Paul and Phil. This was too good to be true. I got some nice pictures with Paul too. Then I was able to sneak my camera into the concert, so hopefully I'll have some nice pics to send to Loopz when I get them developed. Well, just like to say hey to all the people I met at the concert : Brenden, Mehul, Josh, Maggie....I think that wraps it up. It was cool talking and hanging with you during the best night of my life. BTW : I was wearing the New Age Travelers shirt w/ a red Seattle Mariners hat. Well, feel free to drop me a line.....and hello again to everyone on the list!! --Don Thompson # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Funkenstein" Subject: Re: (orbital) Rebuttal about Crys Meth, breakbeat, etc. (very long) Date: 07 Jul 1999 20:40:33 -0400 >into the 70's US rock scene. Most of my 70's music is British. (Learned it >from my parents.) The US stuff was either too "hair-bandish" or too You named a lot of old stuff so I did too...I can name more recent stuff if you want (Live, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, NIN, Metallica, etc) >blues, so... Hip hop is not saying much except for the invention of record >stratching and trip hop. Well, that was a nice writeoff of an entire culture. Just because Ja Rule and Snoop Dogg are on MTV yelling about money and bitches and shit that's no reason to put down a huge group of people. There is a lot more to hiphop than you know. Hiphop is more than just music: it's graffiti art (and please don't say that graffiti is crappy scibbling on a wall...look at http://www.graffiti.org for awhile and you'll see why), it's the music of a culture that's been devastated by drugs violence internal strife and prejudice, it's people who have risen above that, it's regular people regular daily shit, it's happiness and sadness, it's it's an attitude, an artform, a group of people, a soul, etc. It's about people expressing themselves and the way they see culture today. Don't you dare write off hiphop as not much before you know something about it besides what you see on MTV. Only closed minded people dismiss how a huge group of people sees our society today so quickly...don't fall into that trap. >IOW, club music, right? I don't want to agree with that because house isn't only good when you hear it at a club. It's great high energy music that you can listen to just like any form of music (providing you get good house). However, it is popular as "club music" because it's very very danceable and created to be so. House is different than "Ace of Base" and the "Sprice Girls" though... ------------ dco2393@rit.edu ---------------- Dr. Funkenstein - http://www.rit.edu/~dco2393 Rap ain't about bustin' caps and fuckin' bitches It's about fluency with rhymin' ingenuity Del tha Funkee Homosapien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Hey ALL (Chicago concert) Date: 07 Jul 1999 20:46:20 -0400 Don Thompson wrote: > > Hey all, > This is Don Thompson (I was formely signed onto this list > as Snivilisation@juno.com before my computer crashed). Well, just like > to say that I'm back and I also attended the CST in Chicago with my good > friend Brandon. It was killer, snuck in early during sound check and met > Paul, he even videotaped us!!! HEY Steve!!! Think you could ask him > about this videotape and maybe get me a copy???? That'd be killer. Well, > after that we saw him again later, when I got my original Satan EP > signed by both Paul and Phil. This was too good to be true. I got some > nice pictures with Paul too. Then I was able to sneak my camera into the > concert, so hopefully I'll have some nice pics to send to Loopz when I > get them developed. Well, just like to say hey to all the people I met > at the concert : Brenden, Mehul, Josh, Maggie....I think that wraps it > up. It was cool talking and hanging with you during the best night of my > life. BTW : I was wearing the New Age Travelers shirt w/ a red Seattle > Mariners hat. Well, feel free to drop me a line.....and hello again to > everyone on the list!! Ahhh...there you are. How goes it? Anyway, do you have a scanner to scan those pictures with? If anything, I think your local Kinko's can scan them. BTW, my MoN is autographed by Micky Mann and yours isn't, so :þ (j/k) -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Funkenstein" Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: breakbeat Date: 07 Jul 1999 20:49:25 -0400 >sampled breaks and dnb = programmed breaks. Also dnb is more like Yea, I would agree with that. >I should say that a lot of people into jungle get pissed when you >try and split it up, because really jungle = dnb. I've heard a lot of Good point, it should definitely be noted that the majority of people take the two terms to mean exactly the same thing. However, I like the distinction better. >from T Power (mutant jazz, man machine, chasin' a dream, first Droooool, track 1 on Jungle Sky I (Mutant Jazz)...Off the hook. I have wanted to get more T-Power for a long time but I can never locate his stuff (very hard to find). --------=[ http://www.rit.edu/~dco2393 ]=------------- dco2393@rit.edu | In the land of the blind, the | one-eyed man is king. Oppose Internet Censorship | -Tom Waits # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) Re: Hiphop and House stuff Date: 07 Jul 1999 20:51:45 -0400 "Dr. Funkenstein" wrote: > > Well, that was a nice writeoff of an entire culture. Just because Ja Rule > and Snoop Dogg are on MTV yelling about money and bitches and shit that's > no reason to put down a huge group of people. There is a lot more to > hiphop than you know. Hiphop is more than just music: it's graffiti art > (and please don't say that graffiti is crappy scibbling on a wall...look at > http://www.graffiti.org for awhile and you'll see why), it's the music of a > culture that's been devastated by drugs violence internal strife and > prejudice, it's people who have risen above that, it's regular people > regular daily shit, it's happiness and sadness, it's it's an attitude, an > artform, a group of people, a soul, etc. It's about people expressing > themselves and the way they see culture today. Don't you dare write off > hiphop as not much before you know something about it besides what you see > on MTV. Only closed minded people dismiss how a huge group of people sees > our society today so quickly...don't fall into that trap. Ok, I'm not going to get into that... I really only listen to music because of the music, not the lyrics or the reason the music was written. > I don't want to agree with that because house isn't only good when you hear > it at a club. It's great high energy music that you can listen to just > like any form of music (providing you get good house). However, it is > popular as "club music" because it's very very danceable and created to be > so. House is different than "Ace of Base" and the "Sprice Girls" though... Oh, I never intended to compare it to any of that eurotrash. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sean Granger Subject: Re: (orbital) DJ Mixes..... PS> Chicago Date: 07 Jul 1999 20:03:58 -0500 Expeditions is unbelievable. From what I hear with the "cdnow" comment, Im going to assume you got the domestic version.... thats toooooo bad.... track seven on uk version is the most unbelievable mix of Deleriums "Silence". Anyway... the more and more I venture into house, trance......etc I find myself drawn to house more and more, and I dont even dance to it when Im listening.... am i going insane?!?!? this is coming from one with a mad collection of jungle and dn'b... I guess it's just all about the beat for me.... :D~~~ later, granger P.S> Im extremely sorry I missed the Chicago show, especially since it's like 20 minutes from me :( My car got totalled last Sunday and I have yet to find a replacement. Skip Acuff: >Couldn't resist passing on these thoughts: > >1. Have you heard Sasha's "Belfunk" track on the S&D Northern Exposure >Expeditions album? It's his remix of Belfast. > >2. If you like S&D's mix cds, hurry over to CD Now to order Seb >Fontaine's double cd Prototype. Disc one is trancy hard techno, disc >two (my fave) is glorious, state of the art melodic hard trance. IMO it >is 1999's best release so far in this genre. Many Orbital fans will >love this album. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: Re: (orbital) I want to write something. Date: 07 Jul 1999 16:25:28 -0400 > Sometimes, when I'm walking at the streets or travelling in a bus, I > remember > some parts of Adnan's or The Box and imagine how can I can interpretate > that, in > images. Is so exciting and oh, my God, I have a lot of things I want to > do and > to contribute with my two cents to the Hartnoll's culture. > I, for one, would love to see any work done with computer graphics that Orbital has inspired you to do! Maybe the brothers would too. Oh, and I was wondering what started the whole music and language post. Was that just on your mind, or is there some posting that I didn't read? -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) Instruments, in relation to techno Date: 07 Jul 1999 21:56:18 -0400 I was listening to the Autechre RA clips on CDNow, but I wasn't really getting into it. It's wasn't the composition. In fact, the composition is great. But, it was the instruments. I dunno...they were the same type of instruments you hear in stuff by Photek or Kraftwerk. Short and almost too artificial. All this theorizing about instruments got me thinking. I've never really analyzed what instruments I like. Every artist has their "set" of instruments. They may add others or use another set, but they are always of the same style. For example: Orbital - Strings, keyboards, drums, orchestrial, conventional, female vocals Chem Bros - Rock instruments, drum loops, alarms, flanged synths, vocal clips u-Ziq - Mellow/warm synths, drum breaks, strings A440 (Stealth) - Electronic orchestrial, female vocals, various percussion Underworld - Distored synths, drum loops, warm synths, robotic vocals Of course, you got most of Jungle, which uses that same snare drum with various other instruments in the b/g. William Orbit, admittedly, has a limited set of instruments he uses, but I really like what he does use. Ambient groups like FSoL and The Orb use anything that echos well. So, what the hell is the point of this post? I'm not really sure. I was just really bothered that I couldn't get into some of these forms of music just because of the instrument set, yet I know they're really good. Am I stuck on just music with the right synths and percussions? Could I get used to those other instrument sets? Did I always like techno, or did I have to get used to the strange instruments first? Sorry...I'm rambling... -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) Listening to u-Ziq's Lunatic Harness (and wondering why I don't play this album more often; I should). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kel Subject: Re: (orbital) A Little Points On Particular Things Date: 07 Jul 1999 17:21:04 -0400 Once upon a letter, Aimee Couture wrote: > > What's PLUR? (No dots...modern English rule.) > peace, love, unity, respect While we touched on the acronyms here, I've been picking up a lot of flyers recently that say "R.O.A.R. in full effect", usually right alongside PLUR. Anyone know what's going on with that? I've never seen it until maybe last month. Just wondering... ... and if you thought this would be an addition to the gargantuan thread, I just like to watch the flames fly (^.^) Read morpheus' letter from earlier today, though, since he basically said everything I wanted to say ;) Cheers, dude. - KEL >> np >> Amorphous Androgynous >> Tales of Ephidrena >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aimee Couture" Subject: Re: (orbital) A Little Points On Particular Things Date: 07 Jul 1999 22:44:12 -0400 roar means right of admission refusal as in even if you've paid for a ticket they don't have to let you in and you won't get your money back aim=E9e http://shush.com/aimee http://baked.net/orbitalinfo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Moby vs. anything else Date: 07 Jul 1999 20:56:33 -0600 techno instrument? what the fuck is a "techno instrument"? must someone use certain pre-set instruments/sounds in order for their music to be called techno? if so, who determines what these sounds/instruments must be? you really should keep things like that too yourself cause it doesn't make you sound too smart. >I'm listening to EiW now. Ugh! This second song sucks ass! The guy sounds >like all he does is find some clips from different albums and puts them in. And >the clips aren't even good. Feeling So Good has a very common (and overused) >D&B clip played over and over with a eurotrash crowd going up and down and up >and down and boring and ugh... What's techno about this anyway? There are no >techno instruments at all. I could go to hornet.org and grab any PoS XM/IT. >(Note: there are some really good XM/IT musicians, but 90% of hornet.org is >crap.) note: ambient is composed almost entirely of experimental/unfinished tracks that were released by his record label at the time without informing him that they released it. >First song: My Beautiful Blue Sky. A string. Congas. Another string. >Everything is so simplfied, as if he was practicing on his keyboard and was >doing a cute little diddy. Blah. Next. > Chris Perkins It's nice to be important, cdperk@trib.com but it's more important to be nice. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Moby vs. anything else Date: 08 Jul 1999 00:06:31 -0400 Chris wrote: > > techno instrument? what the fuck is a "techno instrument"? must someone > use certain pre-set instruments/sounds in order for their music to be called > techno? if so, who determines what these sounds/instruments must be? you > really should keep things like that too yourself cause it doesn't make you > sound too smart. A synth, a Korg/808 instrument, a computerized noise. Part of the whole techno genre is the use of new and creative sounds. > note: ambient is composed almost entirely of experimental/unfinished tracks > that were released by his record label at the time without informing him > that they released it. Well, that actually explains a lot. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Moby in the New York Times Sunday Magazine Date: 07 Jul 1999 23:27:26 -0500 There was an interview w/ Moby in last Sunday's New York Times Magazine (with Stanley Kubrick on the cover). It was pretty neat. Did you know that Moby is 33? He seems like a smart, intelligent guy. I'm surprised Orbital and he have not done more work together. Which brings me to my point = ). Speed Freak- I love the song, and I'm assuming it's an Orbital song that Moby remixed for the first album. If this is the case, has anyone ever heard the original version? If that's not the case, then what is? -Marc Sawaya -- _Br, C am yflcbi ydcbio cb ekrpat rb a ',.pyf t.fxrapev_ -Mapj Oa,afa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: (orbital) Adding to the flood Date: 08 Jul 1999 00:26:49 -0400 I'll catch up on the posts one of these days.... But for now I'll just add to the flood and post a quick message about the Detroit show I attended last night. Low Fi AllStars: Who? Hadn't heard before, may grab an mp3 or so now, not planning on hearing again. Through most of the set I just kept wondering if the bassist (did he ever actually play that thing?) was the lead guy from that movie last year Can't Hardly Wait. And the vocal, scratch guy who spent a good part of the set hunched over some of his gear a little bid backstage, apparently humping it. It was eerie. I held in some boos, didn't want to start anything. No need to piss on others because I get wacked with some nice virus in time with the concert. C.Meth: Held my breath here again. The blinding was an interesting touch. I guess they need to evoke a crowd reaction somehow, and if 45x10^6 Watts of strobing light are needed, dammit, than it's 45x10^6 it'll be. And then some. The dark haired guy was gettin pretty odd with one of his keyboards near the end of the set, during Keep Hope Alive. I thought it was a massive attack of pity and self loathing myself, but I could be wrong. However, after the nicely reworked Busy Child at the end he did mention something along the lines of 'thanks a lot, it really means a lot to me,' despite the fact I thought the crowd was less than totally ripping with appreciation. Maybe that's just how they show it in the States. Maybe crowds don't even move in LA or where ever the Meth guys are from. Anyway, made me happy I had shut up. I was worried he would have cried. Orbital: Unsta. Wow, great. Setlist seemed to match perfectly with what had been posted from the July 4th show. Great set too. The only addition I would have made would have been TGWTSIHH. I'd have loved to have got groovin to that one, but as it was the place was a little packed anyway, and a little oopsy on my bike on monday pretty much cost me the use of my right leg. What can ya do. Anyway, the crowd seemed to be into it (are people just lazy? Introverted? At the wrong venue?=20 I dunno, I see nutty crowds at the smallest concerts over here) although not wild. I'm now putting my left nut up for trade for a bootleg of this set, especially Detroit. P&P were right into it, and seemed to be enjoying the show more than most. Love to see acts who enjoy their work. The cow was present.=20 Their headgear seems to have a pretty low active life, Phil had to do a hot swap after one torch went, and Paul lost one right at the end. I was thinking to myself 'huck it into the crowd, and aim waaaaaaaay back to me.' Also some roadie ran out about 3 times to jack with some cables on one of Phils small mixers. He cut the feed for about a second at one point. Nice. MMMMMM, oh yeah, and some nice feedback cut in at the end of a track, nice low hum, and I was hoping it was the start of The Box, nice and sinister and low. People seemed to like it. Phil thought it was interesting as well and made the comment that 'it's their music, not ours,' referring to the mixing booth. Great venue. I didn't have to break a hip trying to kick my own ass for wearing jeans. Nicely air conditioned ;) And no seats. Decent staff who let us take the posters from the walls. I got one of the big silver/yellow ones. Oh yeah, gotta like that. I enjoyed the DJ, wherever he was. He played one track that I've been trying to get for months. It's driving me nuts. It has a really cool almost siren like sound in it. I'll never find that.... And of course I have to thank Scott again for the ride. I don't think things could have worked out any better. And we all felt a little sorry for Aim=E8e, who couldn't make it. Oh, and the best thing? Not one whistle was blown all night ;) --=20 If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://i.am/DataSquid # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Moby in the New York Times Sunday Magazine Date: 08 Jul 1999 00:42:03 -0400 Marc Sawaya wrote: > > There was an interview w/ Moby in last Sunday's New York Times Magazine > (with Stanley Kubrick on the cover). It was pretty neat. Did you know that > Moby is 33? He seems like a smart, intelligent guy. I'm surprised Orbital > and he have not done more work together. Maybe Orbital learned their lesson and will never work with them again. BTW, dumb little factoid I found out about him: Moby is a direct descendant of Moby Dick author Herman Meville, hence the name. > Which brings me to my point = ). Speed Freak- I love the song, and I'm > assuming it's an Orbital song that Moby remixed for the first album. If this > is the case, has anyone ever heard the original version? If that's not the > case, then what is? Speed Freak is on the original import. Don't have it, so I don't know what it sounds like. I just remember skipping over the Moby remix at various times. (Why do all the Moby fans come here?) -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[:::Daniel A.J.Ramirez Centurion__owo*auf:::]" Subject: (orbital) ::::My Orbital's grafix xperience:::: Date: 08 Jul 1999 01:29:55 -0500 Marc Sawaya wrote: > I, for one, would love to see any work done with computer graphics that Orbital > has inspired you to do! Maybe the brothers would too. Oh boy!. Thanx for ask!. Just click here: http://www.sueter.net or pick-up this Hartnoll's influence : http://www.sueter.net/materia/owo/owo_1.htm All the grafix and tomatoes, ...by me. BTW, WWW.SUETER.NET is kinda monthly e-zine some guys from here in Chile are working on with some help from kewl people at Singapore, US and Australia. I'm in charge of the orbitals' graphic design : ) & webmaster 'ketchup'. Mr.Robert Schultz from Boston -who I contact through this list- is going to help us in the next version of sueter with an interesting article about Orbital. We're going to make a bIg party this saturday in a incredible club/discotheque here in Santiago, Chile called "Arte Matta" and we're expecting about 4500 - 5000 guys rocking at the disco with the local dj's we're showing. I design the flyers and posters too. We're going to rec the event with some handycams/cameras and 'we're planning to upload it to the next version of sueter in real video format at August, edited. We're planning to make a great concert at November also and to bring some kewl Dj's from Europe and US. :::::::For more info, please send me a personal message.::::::: Of course, everybody is welcome to help us in sueter !, in fact we need you! : ) About my graphic experience, you can visit my old website too. Is like my bathroom now, 'cause I'm currently working all day in sueter.net, but just in case, here is the url: http://members.tripod.com/design_76 Sorry if my english sounds 'freak. I speak spanish actually. Thank you. Daniel_owo (22) -- ____Daniel A.J.Ramírez Centurión_[owo*auf] ____violently happy™ grafix designer. ____sueter.net project | design76 ____15038986. ____ ____Please, fasten your seatbelts...now. ____3 segundos para caida libre. Por favor todos los pasajeros, ____ajusten sus cinturones. ____ ____http://sueter.net [v4.0]: It's only a matter of time. ____this digital_Flyer #021,July 2076. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brandon Invergo Subject: (orbital) holy wow Date: 07 Jul 1999 22:40:36 -0700 (PDT) ah, yet another one from the king of long posts! jeez, settle down people. first of all, opinions are opinions. personally, i could do without crystal method, chemical bros, etc., but that doesn't mean i'd go bashing anyone who does. note: their popularity or their "sold-out" quality isn't what makes me dislike them. it's just that my musical tastes have moved on (i did once like both of those bands, even when they were "sold-out," being played on Q101 every day). it's also not right to bash someone's intelligence for their musical preferences (this reaches back to the AE thread). okay, i'll stop with the morals speach. as for musical genres, i've tried fitting stuff into little categories, but i started losing sleep over it. "oh shit! is photek jungle or d'n'b? what's orbital??? older stuff sounds kinda like trance, maybe, but the newer stuff has beats that are sometimes similar to bigbeat. oh shit!!! Autechre?!?!?!" anywho, i've kinda thrown that practice out the window. for anyone who's curious, bored, and wants to know my way of thinking, i've kinda come up with my own way of describing music recently. it's pretty simple really: on top, there's the major categories: rock, techno, etc. ill skip everything but techno right now. i define (this is all my opinion, don't singe my eyebrows off with flames from this innoscent comment) techno as anything made primarily with, but not limited to, for lack of a better phrase, "button-pushing, knob-twiddling" things. you know what i'm talking about: keyboards, samplers, drum machines, 303/808, etc. from there i just kinda describe stuff by how complex their beats are (simple, repetative 4/4; stuff that sounds like it could be played on a standard drum set like chem. bros etc.; stuff like that.) then i just clasify it as either synthetic sounding or organic (or natural) sounding (don't ask about the choice of words...it came late at night while out with friends). on the synthetic side of the spectrum would be autechre's LP5, while on the organic/natural side would be some of the stuff on FSOL's Lifeforms (LP). i don't know why i'm saying all of this. i think it's just to say that most techno bands are so different from each other that it's impossible to clump any amount of them into a group. each band (or should i call it a group? this could bring up more arguments) has it's unique sound. it just happens to be that a lot of the groups that are similar to one particular sound usually make it to the abhorred "mainstream." nobody's an expert on anything, so no one on the list has any right to question anyone else's intellectual prowress because they think of music genres differently. Hit me!!! brandon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Rader" Subject: RE: (orbital) Moby in the New York Times Sunday Magazine Date: 07 Jul 1999 22:40:41 -0700 > (Why do all the Moby fans come here?) Don't know, but Moby is the ONLY other electronic artist I will buy anything I can get my hands on. I don't think it's fair of you to judge him on two cds because, like any Moby fan will tell you, every cd is totally different. I think that's what makes him so brilliant. You never know what you're gonna get from him, but you're sure it'll be quality. Play is the best damn Moby cd I've ever heard. But since you like Orbital, I think the Move EP would be better.. but Everything is Wrong Mixed and Remixed is excellent as well. I don't understand how anyone can hate such a talent. BTW the two Moby cds you do have are great as well so maybe you shouldn't try his other stuff. Back to lurk mode. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mehul Parekh I Subject: (orbital) to brandon/don/maggie/trym/all of you people Date: 07 Jul 1999 22:52:32 -0700 (PDT) ******2 IMPORTANT PIECES OF BUSINESS BEFORE THE MESSAGE STARTS****** 1) Does anyone have the Chicago concert recorded? cd, tape, md? As long as you can transfer it on cd, I am all cool with that. Please, e-mail privately. Steve, I talked to Paul and he said he was cool with me getting it on cd. He only smiled and said that my copy wouldn't be as good as his. True, but at least I will have a copy of it. 2) During my extensive talk with Paul (all of 45 minutes), I asked him about a live album (we all want one), and what the odds of releasing one were. Paul said that they would decide based on how well Underworld did upon releasing their live album. Well, I think we know what this means. Be sure to snatch up a copy for yourself. Need a gift for that special someone, or your parents or newborn cousin? Give the gift of Underworld's new live album when it comes out. Loved and cheered on by all the fans that went to the shows that were recorded on the cd(s). Your friends will love you, your parents will respect you, you will be showered by praises and be adored throughout your family. So, do it if you want a Orbital live album! ...and now, the e-mail... Oh where do I start? The last 3 days I've been trying to catch up with my e-mail and just during the last hour my computer froze 3 times. Damn it! and I still wasn't done reading these posts about how someone is "stupid" or not cool enough or weird for listening to what they do. Maybe we didn't learn our lesson from the autechere flame fight and all the flame fights before that. Yes, I am quite aware that I do have the delete function as well as filters (trust me, I deleted more e-mail without reading it today than I have in a long time). But, for orbital's sake (hey, no rule says I can't take Orbital's name in vain), please don't condescend others based on their music tastes. It just pisses them off and then pisses you off. Brendan (sp??), you are great. You come from a wide background of music. And all the cds you have entitle you to your opinions...and a good knowledge base. But never feel the need to put it in words. And please, do not "DARE" others to say that a certain band is good or bad. Yes, (AJ I am with you), Moby is good. He has his really good cuts and songs and so do Chemical brothers, but I haven't and probably will not get 'Play', nor will I get 'Surrender', unless of course I find a coupon to get it for almost free. Moby is good in his rights and so are the chemical brothers. They are obviously different styles of music. And Moby's 'ambient' stuff is very nice to just really relax to...kinda like white noise. you may even forget it's there. (check out voodoo child). The point is, music is music, I will never understand country music fans, but they are there, and for all intents and purposes, they feel that Garth Brooks (for example) is more talented than Orbital. I would kindly disagree, but who's to stop them from thinking the way they do? I think you need to accept that other people like what they like and not everyone agrees with you. I do NOT like Autechere, but you will never see me bad mouth them or pass them off as an insignificant band. Hey, if you like Autechre, god bless you...do you like orbital? great. i don't mean to prophesize, but lets keep the postings to informative only and not start any fights...it's really not worth it. And, can we please go a little easy on the whole profanity deal? i am very glad to learn that you can swear. So do I, but lets try to keep this just a little tame. don...my man, you gotta hook me up with some pics. let me know how much it would be for copies, and I will happily buy them from you. very nice to hear from you. maggie...i want to say I remember exactly who you are, but I am not going to blow it and confuse you with someone else, so let me ask you this. Were you with another girl? Were you towards the right side of center stage? Did you get really mad at an irish (nationality??) guy? let me know. and lastly, trym...do you still live in norway? if so, or if not, please send me your address, i have something to send your way. geez, every time i hear the beginning to way out ->, I am transported to the second row of the congress theatre, surrounded by a beautiful group of people (all orbital fans), and 2 hartnolls making the worlds greatest music. And why is no one else writing about the other shows? fine, just write to me. i want to know how people's experiences were. if they met/talked to the brothers. Hey, if someone does talk to Paul or Phil, can someone else ask about the voice at the end of the box? i know it's old, but, its still worth it. Thanks for listening everyone, and sorry if this wasted your mailbox. oh all right, if you must, go ahead and flame me. === The Mehul mpp001@rocketmail.com mpp001@drake.edu Now listening to Nothing left part 1 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AJ Brustein Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Moby vs. anything else Date: 09 Jul 1999 15:48:05 +0900 Well, should I start off this post by saying that Moby is more talented than the Chemical Brothers or not... Lets see. First of all the reason "all the Moby fans flock here" is that there are a lot of Moby fans. However, right now there are probably more Chemical Brothers fans. And even though Moby, CB, and Orbital are quite different, the reason all of the Moby fans (by the way, there is a Moby list which is much bigger than this one) are here is because Moby and Orbital are on the same level. Most Chemical Brothers fans would much sooner be on a Third Eye Blind of Green Day list than Orbital. Its is becausse they don't know shit. They probably havn't even heard of Orbital. Their range of "techno" is Prodigy, Fat Boy Slim, Crystal Method, Cher, and Madonna. So if you want that supposrt, find the "technoish" Natalie Imbuglia (sorry, I never took the time to learn to spell her name) list and they'll be there. I like the first CB CD. The second was horrible, the DJ on was decent and the new one is OK. But you know how awesome and talented they are and proved it to us in your post, right? Well, obviously you know more than everyone else. There is a reason why (from the 2 albums you compared) EIW was the NUMBER 1 album of 1995 and Exit Planet Dust wasn't even the album of the week. CB didn't get popular until Dig your Own Hole. And that was only cause they rode the tail of Prodigy's Firestarter. And even though Exit Planit Dust was a good album, the Chemical Brothers would have never been popular had they not changed their style to that horrible DYOH CD. Plus, you say Moby uses a Casio keyboard and whatever non-techno instruments? Of course that is not true, but in addition to his "techno instruments" he uses "real" ones too, because he is talented enough to use them. He can play guitar, a piano, and whatever else. That is why he cn make an album like Animal Rights (which I don't particallarly like). But With the Chemical Brothers, they use amazing sounds and instruments, don't they? The CB's popularity is because they left the Techno field and went to that horrible Electronic Rock catigory. What the hell is that. So, if we go to a store and look under Techno, we will see Moby, but no chemical Brothers as they are found inthe Electric-Rock section. So who is techno? Really, who gives a shit. You, who thinks playing techno is a rave (unless of course it is techno that you don't like) will not be changing his opinion any time soon. Do me a favor ad hold an Autechre rave. And dude, there is a reason why Orbital had a song rimexed by Moby on their ALBUM (not single) and don't talk to Chemcial Brothers... Anyway, I think that since our new buddy Brandon here seems to be living in a 30 hour day world and has time to write lengthy posts to EVERY SINGLE MESSAGE on this list, we should just adress them to him and he can respond to them all as usual. Cuase I am getting sick of reading the same thing twice. By the way, Brenden, you wrote: > Techno-related. Okay? Not techno. I didn't put them in the same catagory. I > hate it when people don't bother reading the entire message and only read what > they choose to read. Listen buddy, don't pull this do what I say and not what I do bullshit. If you had of bothered reading the entire message and not only read what you choose to read, then this would have never started. Am I wrong? Just do me a favor and why don't you cool it with the responding to evey email bit. Especially when it is rambling shit and has no relevence. Or, at least respond to the person. If you are going to keep it on topic, fine, but emails that have a few "Ewwww"s or "Yep" in between paragraphs of qouted materials are a waste of my time and money. Finally, to whoever was tlking about the list monitor, it isn't Steve Price. Oh by the way Steve, should you be reading, I got the Jap MON, but am having a hell of a time finding a new Green. I'll tell you when I get it. The MON was about 2700 yen. Later. AJ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Kasaj" Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: breakbeat Date: 08 Jul 1999 08:41:17 +0200 > By this definition, roni size is drum and bass. The "prototypical" > or perhaps "stereotypical" drum and bass song is probably Pulp Fiction > by Alex Reece (its on platinum breaks vol.1). The same for jungle would > be... umm... not sure. maybe demons theme by LTJ Bukem? or maybe Valley > of the Shadows by Origin Unknown? I'm sure there is a better example > than that (anyone?) You know, drum & bass has unofficially split up into loads of different sub-genres. pulp fiction is what they call jazzstep. vally of the shadows..hmm.. i'd put it into jungle too. bambaata is the perfect example of jungle. then, there's techstep or drumfunk... e-z rollers. hardstep...mmm... dj ss. 2step...anything by dj die jump up... aphrodite, mickey finn & co. darkside... ed & op, no u turn crew, ram crew, most of metalheadz and a loads more... i'm too sleepy to think now :) Daniel ===== There are only two kinds of music worth listening to: drum and bass. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joona Pöyhönen" Subject: (orbital) Touring Europe??? Date: 08 Jul 1999 11:53:36 -0000 Has someone any idea about in which coutries will Orbital play in Europe? Dates etc will be much appreciated!...Thanks -joona # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: life kid Subject: Re: (orbital) don't use drugs Date: 08 Jul 1999 04:07:25 -0600 "Shannon K. Campbell" wrote: > Ever heard of Hank Williams or Johnny Cash. Hank left KnoXville for the > last time packed full of whiskey and morphine, and Johnny did WAY more > pills than ALL of the Rolling Stones[who did lots]. > > And God knows chemicals! > > Drugs = Music! Stop trying to call them ... that's pretty funny, actually. williams and cash are probably the only country i would consider to listen to. it was still genuine back then. "i shot a man in reno.... just to watch him die." -- len perez | email : lmperez@uiuc.edu | uiuc : graphic design now playing: dave matthews_before these crowded streets "I was under the influence" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reece H Subject: Re: (orbital) Rebuttal about Crys Meth, breakbeat, etc. (very long) Date: 08 Jul 1999 10:57:52 +0100 >"The classic House is simple: a four quarter beat: 1 2 >3 4 in a not too fast tempo (120 beats per minute) at about the speed of >the heart of the dancer. hahah! on easter sunday at a trance club, about 4 in the morning, i had my heart going in time with the beat as i was dancing - about 160 bpm :) reece # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reece H Subject: Re: (orbital) Moby in the New York Times Sunday Magazine Date: 08 Jul 1999 11:11:20 +0100 i think the only high-quality song i've heard from moby is thousand... an evil evil build to 1000bmp, and then stop. and build again. genius. pure genius. reece # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Kloehr Subject: RE: (orbital) Moby in the New York Times Sunday Magazine Date: 08 Jul 1999 08:00:59 -0500 > (Why do all the Moby fans come here?) >.. but Everything is Wrong Mixed and Remixed is ?>excellent as well. Everything is Wrong Mixed and Remixed is ABSOLUTELY one of the best dance/mixing compilations I have ever heard. If anyone is bashing moby they probably haven't heard this double CD. But unfortunately they stopped production of it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Moby/Orbital Date: 08 Jul 1999 10:01:03 -0400 Shaun Rader wrote: > > Don't know, but Moby is the ONLY other electronic artist I will buy anything > I can get my hands on. I don't think it's fair of you to judge him on two > cds because, like any Moby fan will tell you, every cd is totally different. > I think that's what makes him so brilliant. You never know what you're > gonna get from him, but you're sure it'll be quality. Bah. I won't judge him on Ambient anymore, but I've heard Play on a listening station. It's a little better than his eurotrash shit, but it's still weak. It lacks any feeling. The guy simply doesn't spend enough time on his songs. I'm always annoyed by his choice of instruments and samples, too. I dunno...they are just the "wrong" ones. > Play is the best damn Moby cd I've ever heard. But since you like Orbital, > I think the Move EP would be better.. but Everything is Wrong Mixed and > Remixed is excellent as well. I don't understand how anyone can hate such a > talent. While we're comparing Orbital and Moby, two artists I consider to be placeholders for each end of the talent spectrum, what do you like about Orbital and why? What's your favorite album? Favorite song? I'm guessing that the Moby fans are really into the first album. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Kloehr Subject: RE: (orbital) Moby/Orbital Date: 08 Jul 1999 09:12:54 -0500 >but I've heard Play on a listening station. It's a >little better than his eurotrash shit, but it's still >weak. Itlacks any feeling. The guy simply doesn't >spend enough time on his songs. Lacks feeling? Wow! Evidentally you didnt hear it all or just not thoroughly. Did you base this just off the songs that are given airplay (honey,bodyrock)? This album has more feeling than any album he has put out to date! (personal opinion). >What's your favorite album? Favorite song? I'm >guessing that the Moby fans are really into the first >album. I am into all of the albums, but the ones that get the most play are the Brown album and Insides. Favorite songs: Probably TGwTSihH and Halcyon&on&on. And yes I do love the first album, but sometimes you are in the mood to chill and sometimes dance. Just like sometimes you are into Natalie Imbruglia and sometimes Rob Satan Zombie..... CK -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Kloehr Subject: RE: (orbital) Moby/Orbital Date: 08 Jul 1999 09:22:19 -0500 Just like sometimes you are into Natalie Imbruglia and sometimes Rob Satan Zombie..... _______________________________________________________ Sorry - I didnt mean to put them in the same dicussion as orbital......I wont do it again. CK # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aronne James Merrelli Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: breakbeat Date: 08 Jul 1999 10:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Excerpts from lists: 8-Jul-99 Re: (orbital) Re: breakbeat by "Daniel Kasaj"@infocenta > You know, drum & bass has unofficially split up into loads of > different sub-genres. pulp fiction is what they call jazzstep. vally of > the shadows..hmm.. i'd put it into jungle too. bambaata is the perfect > example of jungle. > then, there's techstep or drumfunk... e-z rollers. > hardstep...mmm... dj ss. > 2step...anything by dj die > jump up... aphrodite, mickey finn & co. > darkside... ed & op, no u turn crew, ram crew, most of metalheadz > and a loads more... i'm too sleepy to think now :) yeah I know about those (techstep = ez rollers???? you're crazy!!!!!!!! :) ) but its hard enough to split into 2 types (dnb and jungle) thats it totally hopeless to try for more... actually there is a foolproof way of splitting this up, how about jungle music I like, and jungle music I don't like. Yeah, that will be much easier to categorize.... :) but anyway what I was trying to say before is that (to the best oif my very limited knowledge) that Pulp Fiction was one of the first true drum an bass songs, using my definition of dnb = programmed breaks........ but anyway the more I think about this the more I realize I don't give a shit anyway, its just all jungle :) later, aronne # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Moby vs. anything else Date: 08 Jul 1999 11:18:57 -0400 AJ Brustein wrote: > > Lets see. First of all the reason "all the Moby fans flock here" is thatthere > are a lot of Moby fans. However, right now there are probably more Chemical > Brothers fans. And even though Moby, CB, and Orbital are quite different, the > reason all of the Moby fans (by the way, there is a Moby list which is much > bigger than this one) are here is because Moby and Orbital are on the same > level. Why do you consider Moby and Orbital on the same level? Level of what? Level of talent? Level of musical genre? I don't consider Moby to be on ANY level of Orbital's talents. Again, I'll ask you the same questions: What is your favorite album of Orbital's? Favorite song? What do you like about Orbital and why? > Most Chemical Brothers fans would much sooner be on a Third Eye Blind > of Green Day list than Orbital. Its is becausse they don't know shit. Funny...I was about to say the same thing about Moby. Offspring comes to mind when I think of Moby. Do you not like them because of the choice of instruments? (Because you obviously do not like rock of any sort, if you don't like Jimi Hendrix.) > I like the first CB CD. The second was horrible, the DJ on was decent and the > new one is OK. You probably the first (and only) person to have such a varying degree of love/hate between the first and second album. They were the SAME style! It's like they just left off from EPD. I can understand why somebody would not like the DJ album or Surrender, or vise-versa. But liking EBD and hating DYOH is completely illogical! > But you know how awesome and talented they are and proved it to > us in your post, right? Well, obviously you know more than everyone else. > There is a reason why (from the 2 albums you compared) EIW was the NUMBER 1 > album of 1995 and Exit Planet Dust wasn't even the album of the week. CB > didn't get popular until Dig your Own Hole. And that was only cause they rode > the tail of Prodigy's Firestarter. Comparing sales records is just stupid. Pokeman was a very popular game, but it's still a piece of shit. Prodigy's Fat of the Land is really popular, but it's still a piece of shit. Superman is currently the third most popular selling N64 game, but it's still a piece of shit. Let's go over one thing: Exit Planet Dust -defined- the big beat genre! There was no big beat (or Chemical Beats...get it?) before that. Now, what has Moby defined in EiW? Nothing. Jack. It's just another shining example of how bad eurotrash sounds. (BTW, having a bass drum followed by a cymbal repeating over and over again sucks. Boom-chee-boom-chee-boom-chee) > And even though Exit Planit Dust was a good > album, the Chemical Brothers would have never been popular had they not > changed their style to that horrible DYOH CD. What change?! Please explain this cuz I'd love to here this. > Plus, you say Moby uses a Casio keyboard and whatever non-techno instruments? > Of course that is not true, but in addition to his "techno instruments" he > uses "real" ones too, because he is talented enough to use them. He can play > guitar, a piano, and whatever else. That is why he cn make an album like > Animal Rights (which I don't particallarly like). He uses the same techno instruments that Gary Numan used or Kraftwerk or Depeche Mode in their early years. They are aged and overused. As far as the conventional instruments, Chemical Brothers uses plenty of them. I've already listed some the instruments they use, from alarm/sirens and synths to conventional ones like guitars and all kinds of percussion and organs. Yes, they are rock related, but so what? What the hell do you have against rock? It was the most popular and developed form of music for over 50 years! Eurotrash on the other hand, is reserved for people who like Ace of Base and Aqua. Another thing I hate about Moby is the fact that he's afraid to use more than four tracks in his songs. It's boring and simplistic and uncomplex. On the other end of the spectrum, you have great bands like Orbital with GSH that peaks with -12- instrument layers. Every time you hear the song, it's different. Chemical Brothers has it fair share of layers, too. (I just haven't bothered counting like I have with GSH.) > But With the Chemical > Brothers, they use amazing sounds and instruments, don't they? The CB's > popularity is because they left the Techno field and went to that horrible > Electronic Rock catigory. What the hell is that. So, if we go to a store and > look under Techno, we will see Moby, but no chemical Brothers as they are > found inthe Electric-Rock section. So who is techno? Really, who gives a > shit. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about! I go into my record store and find both Chemical Brothers and Moby in the techno section. Chemical Brothers is big beat techno. Ok? If you want techno-rock bands, look for Stabbing Westward, NIN, VAST, Garbage, Curve, etc. (I happen to like those bands, but I don't consider them techno.) > And dude, there is a reason why Orbital had a song rimexed by Moby on their > ALBUM (not single) and don't talk to Chemcial Brothers... Yeah, they were releasing their first album and they needed somebody popular to attract listeners. You'll notice that the British had more taste and didn't need Moby on their album. > Anyway, I think that since our new buddy Brandon here seems to be living in a > 30 hour day world and has time to write lengthy posts to EVERY SINGLE MESSAGE You seem to be living one day into the future. Go fix your clock. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: breakbeat Date: 08 Jul 1999 11:25:57 -0400 Aronne James Merrelli wrote: > > but anyway what I was trying to say before is that (to the best > oif my very limited knowledge) that Pulp Fiction was one of the > first true drum an bass songs, using my definition of dnb = > programmed breaks........ but anyway the more I think about this > the more I realize I don't give a shit anyway, its just all jungle :) What about: Jungle = that certain snare hit sound D&B = everything else -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "timmins" Subject: (orbital) Chicago on MD Date: 08 Jul 1999 10:22:15 -0500 Well, I will be brief, and not flammatory. I was the one that sat all night at the Chicago concert, for the benefit o= f the listers. I have the concert on MD, and the tracks are cut. (By the way, thanks to t= he set list from Brandon) It is an excellent Binaural recording (which proves its quality through go= od earphones). It isn't exactly intended for speaker systems but it does work. The bass j= ust seems to seem not-so-full. I have the entire set, and encore. I am not sure what I am going to do with it yet. Granted my minidisc recor= der cost me money, and CD blanks will cost me money. But I feel terrible c= harging for copies since it was for the benefit of the listers. If anyone wants an mp3 of spare parts express with the lead into impact, y= ou can find it at this address. http://www.thebutt.com/spare_parts_express.mp3 Please correspond with me privately regarding anything with the recording. timmins p.s. if anyone is interested in a copy of Fat Boy/Chem Bros... that is in = the works too. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Kloehr Subject: RE: (orbital) Re: Moby vs. anything else Date: 08 Jul 1999 10:25:53 -0500 >(Because you obviously do not like rock of any sort, if >you don't like Jimi Hendrix.) I have never liked Hendrix or Led Zepplin. Does this mean that I have no taste in Classic Rock? No. I would prefer Jethro Tull before either of them. But we all have our tastes dont we? >You probably the first (and only) person to have such a >varying degree of love/hate between >the first and second album. They were the SAME style! Uhhh......you don't notice the difference? Anyways, to some ears it is just noise! >Now, what has Moby defined in EiW? Nothing. Jack. Do you not remember "Go" and all his songs from that era? I think (personal opinion) that he was one of the pioneers of the time in the club scene (or were you not old enough back then to get in to the clubs?). Now the last thing I would ever do is compare him to Orbital, just two totally different playing fields. Two different styles. But how can you say that Moby has done nothing for electronic music? >I've already listed some the instruments they use, from >alarm/sirens and synths Yeah we hear the same sounds/noises on every one of their albums! >Ok? If you want techno-rock bands, look for Stabbing Westward, NIN, VAST, Garbage, Curve, etc. >(I happen to like those bands, but I don't consider them techno.) You forgot Natalie Imbruglia..... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) Moby/Chemical Brothers Date: 08 Jul 1999 11:39:24 -0400 Ok, I guess I do see some differences between DYOH and EPD. DYOH uses more rock elements in its music, but it's far from being called "Electronic Rock". It's just something I never really noticed because I love both albums. (Though, I like EPD slightly more. Slighty.) Anyway, I'm going to drop this pointless argument. Sorry about littering the ML with this stuff. I guess I'll never really understand Moby fans. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Amir 'CG' Caspi" Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Moby vs. anything else Date: 08 Jul 1999 11:57:34 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > of talent? Level of musical genre? I don't consider Moby to be on > ANY level of Orbital's talents. Again, I'll ask you the same Opinions, opinions. Everyone's got one. ;-) "Talent" is a very subjective thing, usually. When someone has no talent, it's usually very apparent. But when someone HAS talent, it's very often not apparent, and then we get into discussions like this. Not that there's anything wrong with that... just commenting. I haven't listened to enough Moby to be able to comment on his level of talent vs. Orbital. Nor would I compare the two, since they're in slightly (perhaps more than slightly) different genres. It's impossible to compare Billie Holiday to, say, Soundgarden... both of which I think had immense talent. But that's just me. ;-) But seriously, who's to say whether Billie or Soundgarden had more talent? You can't. And similarly here, though it's a finer line. I happen to like Moby, although I admit that I listen to Orbital a lot more. But I got into Orbital sooner and own more albums, so... I haven't yet listened to Play, but I bought Moby's "Rare Collection" and listened to both CDs, and they're good. I bought his "I Like to Play" (I think) CD, and it's good as well. I bought "Animal Rights," and it's not that great, but still ok. Everyone has their good CDs and their bad ones, of course. Of the CDs I've heard of Moby's, I like most of them. Maybe I'm not discriminating enough in my tastes... after all, I do enjoy the occasional (VERY occasional) Green Day song, too. > Funny...I was about to say the same thing about Moby. Offspring comes > to mind when I think of Moby. Do you not like them because of the Funny you should say that... I went to an Offspring concert 2 years ago and Moby was one of the starting acts. =) This was right after his release of Animal Rights, however, so he was into his "punkish" phase. A year earlier or a year later, I don't think he would have been there. > choice of instruments? (Because you obviously do not like rock of any > sort, if you don't like Jimi Hendrix.) Hah. How can you say that? Just because someone doesn't like the Jimi don't mean they don't like some other rock. And not everyone who likes rock likes the Jimi. Sure, he's a fundamental part of rock today... SO? Does that mean that if I like movies, I need to like the classics (Casablanca, etc.) as well? Hell no. While I do like Jimi, I don't own any CDs of his. And if it means anything, I don't particularly like the Beatles. I won't turn them off (unless they've been playing too long), but I wouldn't voluntarily listen to them. And they were part of the "foundation" of rock, too. > You probably the first (and only) person to have such a varying degree > of love/hate between the first and second album. They were the SAME Heh. Actually, I'm not too far off. I liked the first album, and I only *mildly* liked the second album. Then again, going back to listen to them, I don't really like the first one much anymore. ;-) > But liking EBD and hating DYOH is completely illogical! Since when are people logical in their emotions, Spock? I know people who love cabbage but hate cauliflower, even though they taste *almost* identical. It's not just a matter of what it's made of... it's a matter of how it made you feel the first time you listened to it, and what emotions it therefore evokes every other time. Lots of subconscious things come into play here. For instance, I first listened to EPD while drunk. And I loved it. I bought it. Ever since then, I've liked it better than DYOH, which I bought only because I liked the first album and thought I'd like DYOH. Now, looking back on things, I'm changing my mind... but take that as you will. > it's still a piece of shit. Prodigy's Fat of the Land is really popular, but > it's still a piece of shit. Superman is currently the third most popular Again... saying something is "a piece of shit" should be IMMEDIATELY followed by "in my opinion." Doesn't even have to be a humble opinion... but it's defintely in your opinion. I have this real problem with people declaring things "rule" or things "suck" without making it totally clear that they're stating opinion. And that's probably because most people think they're stating universal truths when they say stuff like that. So keep this in mind: if anyone ever says something like the above, imagine that there's an "in my opinion" pasted immediately after it, and take it with a grain of salt. Speaking of which, I like Fat of the Land. And I actually *DIDN'T* like it the first few times I heard it. But it grew on me. > shining example of how bad eurotrash sounds. (BTW, having a bass drum > followed by a cymbal repeating over and over again sucks. You don't listen to big-band jazz a lot, then, do you? ;-) > alarm/sirens and synths to conventional ones like guitars and all Chemical Brothers have stated in interviews that they specifically DON'T have guitars in their music, because they see that as "on the way out." > popular and developed form of music for over 50 years! Eurotrash on > the other hand, is reserved for people who like Ace of Base and Aqua. I'll agree that I don't like Ace of Base or Aqua, and in fact run screaming when they're played. But I wouldn't put Moby in that category. But that's just _my opinion_. > uncomplex. On the other end of the spectrum, you have great bands > like Orbital with GSH that peaks with -12- instrument layers. Every Who's to say that the more tracks in the music, the better it is? It's not like Jimi stuck 12 tracks on his songs. I may be wrong, but I think he kinda stuck to the basics, if you know what I mean. Something "simple" is **NOT** necessarily something "boring." I love plain vanilla ice cream. It's simple, but it's NOT boring, IMHO. Particularly when done right (a la Edy's or B&J). And again, that's not to say that one-chord wonders or power-chord junkies make good music. Simply that "simple" does not mean "boring." As for repetitive... yes, Moby sometimes get's repetitive. But there are tracks of Orbital's (some of the "Lush" tracks, and "Moebius", for instance) that get repetitive, too... even WITH all the extra tracks. > Brothers is big beat techno. Ok? If you want techno-rock bands, look for > Stabbing Westward, NIN, VAST, Garbage, Curve, etc. (I happen to like those BTW, all the bands you just named are considered "industrial," with the possible exception of Garbage, which usually still falls under the very broad "alternative rock" category. NiN is more of a techno-industrial band, but Stabbing Westward is definitely plain-old industrial, with a little more electronic pizzazz. > Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) > Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Nice .sig... explains a lot. ;-) --- Amir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Moby vs. anything else Date: 08 Jul 1999 12:50:55 -0400 Amir 'CG' Caspi wrote: > > BTW, all the bands you just named are considered "industrial," with the > possible exception of Garbage, which usually still falls under the very > broad "alternative rock" category. > NiN is more of a techno-industrial band, but Stabbing Westward is > definitely plain-old industrial, with a little more electronic pizzazz. Nah...they're techno-rock. It's like calling Alice in Chains metal. Industrial is stuff like KMFDM, White Zombie, Fear Factory, Spine Shark, etc. I've got a friend who has some really scary industrial. NIN and Stabbing Westward have a little bit of industrial influence, but I still fit them in the techno-rock catagory. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jon Subject: (orbital) EMF cd single with orbital remix Date: 08 Jul 1999 10:03:01 -0700 For sale: Excellent orbital remix of EMF cd single on Ebay-- http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=128269122 Email me with any questions! Thanks, jon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: breakbeat Date: 08 Jul 1999 09:56:40 -0700 What about: Your are wrong. .matthewford. Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > What about: > > Jungle = that certain snare hit sound > D&B = everything else # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: Re: (orbital) A Little Points On Particular Things Date: 08 Jul 1999 10:12:46 -0700 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > Matter of opinion. I could say that Aphex Twin and all of the other little > minimalism acts suck balls because they are boring and uninteresting...but I > won't because it's just my opinion. > What, have you only heard one Aphex Twin album? Hardly a minimalist across the board. > Techno = rave. Quit trying to call it something else. > Do you happen to work for Rolling Stone or Spin Magazine or something? Granted you are over 16 of course. > Hey look! It's another anti-bigbeat guy! I guess these intolerant guys come > a-dime-a-dozen. > When did I say I was antibigbeat? I LIKED bigbeat but its just gotten really tired and boring-like trance. > I hope you're not implying anything... > Im implying many things > 30 bucks? You're obviously going to the wrong raves. The commericialistic ones > may be your only jumping to the better raves, but those aren't the only ones. > The best raves are the 10 buck ones with fairly good DJs and friendly people. > (Unless we're talking about the professional acts like CST.) > No, Im not going to the wrong raves. The only time I ever step foot into a rave is when theres someone that I like thats going to be playing. I refuse to believe the "go to the rave for the vibe, not the music" crap that so many candykids shout everytime I tell them Im not going to a rave cause I dont wanna be around them and their crap music. > "with the exception of Ambient"...I guess we have another minimalist here. Do > all minimalists hate bigbeat and vise-versa, or is it just me? I dunno about > you, but I went to electronica music because I wanted something complex and full > of different sounds (unlike today's alternative/rap/R&B scene). > > Its just you. You obviously dont know what youre talking about. If you went into electronic music because you wanted something complex, then why do you keep knocking ambient and minimal music? > I just listened to it again, and it's better than I thought, but it's so > outdated now. I reserve the phrase "kicks ass" for better albums like MoN and > Sniv. > > Big beat is outdated now as well. > Damn, you're an arrogant asshole. I'm glad I joined this mailing list. It > definately needs some conflicting opinions to balance out all of this > anti-bigbeat attitude. > Thanks mate. I guess you cant take a joke either. This list has an antibigbeat attitude? Youve been here for what a week or so and youve already summed this list up ? Get a life. > What's PLUR? (No dots...modern English rule.) > Never heard of an acronym eh? i know im wasting my breath by responding...but cant help it. .matthewford. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Kloehr Subject: RE: (orbital) Moby/Orbital Date: 08 Jul 1999 10:30:35 -0500 Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 10:24 AM > I am into all of the albums, but the ones that get the most play are the Brown album and Insides. Favorite songs: Probably TGwTSihH and Halcyon&on&on. And yes I do love the first album, but sometimes you are in the mood to chill and sometimes dance. Just like sometimes you are into Natalie Imbruglia and sometimes Rob Satan Zombie..... Heh...not what I expected, but those are personal favorites though. (Both are my favorite songs per album.) What about the new album? Chris Kloehr wrote: well - honestly my favorites are probably the ones that most people on this list dislike (from what I have heard). They are: Know Where to Run, I dont know you people, and Ontono. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Moby vs. anything else Date: 08 Jul 1999 10:33:30 -0600 >(Because you obviously do not like rock of any sort, if you don't >like Jimi Hendrix.) > out of all the stupid generalizations you have made, this one most likely tops them all..you need to learn to be quiet when necessary. and relating to the moby discussion: you say it seems all that moby does is sample other people's music and put it together...that's bullshit. if you want some prime examples of that, look at the chem bros. (which by the way i love immensely). and by the way, moby has much more talent as far as musicianship is concerned...the chem bros can't actually play any conventional instruments, whereas moby can play just about anything as evident on his genre-spanning albums. Chris Perkins It's nice to be important, cdperk@trib.com but it's more important to be nice. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Optik@mail.freenet.uk.com Subject: (orbital) Dr Who MP3 Date: 08 Jul 1999 18:37:13 +0000 Anyone got 'Dr Who' MP3, from Glastonbury? Or know of a FTP,WWW site. Thanks # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Schultz Subject: Re: (orbital) Dr Who MP3 Date: 08 Jul 1999 10:36:38 PDT Damn dude! I've been wondering the same thing now for months! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Funkenstein" Subject: (orbital) JS 06... Date: 08 Jul 1999 13:54:03 -0400 I just picked up "This is Jungle Sky Vol. 6" today...it just came out on the 6th I believe. It is OFF THE HOOK, I strongly reomend it! It's got some wierd stuff on it...phat funky jungle, hiphop influence, etc...and I haven't even heard the second CD yet. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ funkenstein@mail.rit.edu http://www.rit.edu/~dco2393 Superfly, you're gonna make your fortune by and by But if you lose don't ask no questions why The only game you know is do or die...Superfly # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Roussos Subject: (orbital) Chicago comments / Moby / Moontribe Date: 08 Jul 1999 14:12:21 -0400 Drove from Cincinnati to Chicago for the show at the Congress. Some randomly meandering comments: Venue: Wow. Ancient crumbling intricately detailed old theatre. Perfect, except for the stifling heat. The huge domed ceiling made the most amazing perfect screen for Orbitals visuals. Looking up while projections mingled in the smoky haze slowly rising from the crowd and hit the back of the dome was quite beautiful at times, especially given my fungally enhanced visual apparatus at the time ;-) Crowd: Due to LoFiAllstars (who I missed) and Crystal Method pretty rough and rock-oriented, but didn't notice any explicit rudeness or violence. Remarkably well-behaved for such a large crowd (1500?). Crystal Method: Well, they're kinda fun on CD in a real basic techno 101 kind of way. Not very sophisticated music; lots of energy. I'm of two minds about their show. On one hand, I found it pretty annoying...high speed screeching and 303 squelchy riffs over and over and over...incredibly bright strobes and spots shining straight into the audience's eyes the entire time. Kind of psychedelic in that very basic way, but the point is??? On the other hand, simple basic sensory overload IS a time-honored way of obliterating the personality and inducing an altered state. But I doubt CM thought of it that way...I think they're just into the "Lets BLAST the kids a heavily as we can...yeah..cool...huh huh huh". Way WAY overdone...quite insane, really...so sort of fun in that "I can't BELIEVE they're actually THIS over the top" sort of way. But really...ZERO ideas or content. Just sensory overload, and that's it. NO other ideas or purpose. Very empty and meaningless. But they seem like nice guys, and I respect them for saying that they felt "Very honored to be here". They knew that this show with this size crowd in this venue would be something alot of people will remember and talk about for a long time to come. I did feel the crowd was noticibly on-edge and paranoid after this. And in a way, that might be what Orbital was going for. That way, the beauty and sophistication of their music would seem all the more intense by contrast. Orbital: Ahhhh. Bliss. Smooth. Ecstatic. Thoughtful detailed imagery. Touching emotional tunes. I wish there had been more of an arresting visual concept during the beginning of Way Out, that track starts in such a unique and dramatic way. But still nice. Does anyone recall what song used the intially simple but increasing more psychedelic images of clocks? And what in the world WAS that tumbling spindle-shaped thingy....very wild looking whatever it was. Kudos to their graphics designers. Anyone know who they are? Does Orbital collaborate and provide ideas, or do they just contract it out? The look of the spiral projections curling through the haze...wow...follow them back...multicolored spirals all over the intricately detailed dome of the theatre 75 feet overhead. What a sight! One interesting thought I had during the show. It was fascinating to observe the change in crowd attitude from the parinoid on-edge vibe after CM finished, to the happy group love-dance vibe at the end of Orbital. The turning point came during a song that I did not understand on CD very well where they were coming from, but after the live show I do: "I Don't Know You People." I believe they were motivated to use these words due to playing at larger venues and starting to see more and more hooligan-like behaviour, more rough, tense people who are not really into them, just into the wildness of big shows, etc. When the words "I dont know you people. WHY ARE YOU HERE??? WHAT DO YOU WANT???" happen...alot of people seemed to take these questions personally and loosen up ALOT. This dispelled once and for all the tension that CM had (perhaps deliberately) generated with their sensory overload experiments. "Facinating, Captain." Finally, the way that Dr. Who begins...sneaking up on you so that you don't know that is what is coming is...pure genius. I certainly hope they release this track on CD. Overall, an experience I will not soon forget. Go see them if you possibly can. (Just one bit of advice...wait until after Crystal Method - or towards the end of their set - to do any indulging that you plan on doing ;-) Congrats to Orbital on a stunning achievement. Can I possibly afford to fly to SanFranciso to see them again? I'm certainly going to try. MOBY: did not used to care for him. Then I got PLAY. Overall very nice. But the 5 songs that are based on the old negro spiritual field recordings...wow. Try this...play tracks 1, 2, 4, 8, and 11 in a row. Try to sit still. Try not to have chills run down your spine. For these 5 songs alone Moby should be praised extensively. Techno Soul music for the new millenium. Moby can clearly be a genius with the right inspiration. Get it. One other recommendation while I'm here: Moontribe - Sound without Walls. The best "perfect moments" from 5 years of Southern Calif. desert full-moon raves. Very EXCELLENT and spiritual compilation. Search on the web, look at listing on amazon.com for more reviews. Very very sweet. ...Steve - still smiling. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: Re: (orbital) JS 06... Date: 08 Jul 1999 11:22:41 -0700 I must agree. I got a promo of this recently. Its the fucking shit...and just think about 3 years ago or so you would've never thought that the US jungle scene would have gotten this far. Or at least I was unsure of this. Jungle Sky is a badass label. .matthewford. "Dr. Funkenstein" wrote: > I just picked up "This is Jungle Sky Vol. 6" today...it just came out on > the 6th I believe. It is OFF THE HOOK, I strongly reomend it! It's got > some wierd stuff on it...phat funky jungle, hiphop influence, etc...and I > haven't even heard the second CD yet. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) MOBY Coast to Coast Date: 08 Jul 1999 14:46:49 -0400 Hey did anyone see Moby on SpaceGhostCoastToCoast [TurnerTV] about a month ago. He was hilarious very, Low-key and SpaceGhost just kept sort of getting distracted and then coming back at him with bullshit about nothing at all. MOBY played along well and has my respect, personally and musically. Sometimes I even listen to his discs! :) Shannon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "timmins" Subject: (orbital) Chicago on MD Date: 08 Jul 1999 13:38:05 -0500 Well, within an hour or so I already have 10 requests so I guess I will be= making some format of the concert. The concert lasts more than 74 minutes so I am going to figure out how to = fit it on a CD, or fill up the second CD. Ideas, comments, complaints, whatever let me know. I thoroughly enjoy this list (yes, I am a lurker) and would like to make e= very enjoy what I can bring to the table. For right now, I am going to gather up as many requests as I can, find a b= ulk rate and then figure out the specs for the recording. But, dont worry,= you will have your copies. Btw, did anyone see a guy with a camelflouge full brim cap sitting in fron= t of the sound board? timmins # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Margaret Hadam" Subject: Re: (orbital) A Little Points On Particular Things Date: 08 Jul 1999 13:50:01 -0500 Aphextwin is one of the most phenomenal rephlex artists outthere...his sound is original, moving and quite enjoyable. I have to say my two favorite aphex twin cds are analogue bubblebath and his new one, window licker...richard is also great live, and with a tendency to moon his audience... i prefer richard and his 'bands' to orbital, or any other 'electronic' artist.... and how is richard 'uninteresting'? >>> Matthew Ford 07/08 12:12 PM >>> Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > Matter of opinion. I could say that Aphex Twin and all of the other little > minimalism acts suck balls because they are boring and uninteresting...but I > won't because it's just my opinion. > What, have you only heard one Aphex Twin album? Hardly a minimalist across the board. > Techno = rave. Quit trying to call it something else. > Do you happen to work for Rolling Stone or Spin Magazine or something? Granted you are over 16 of course. > Hey look! It's another anti-bigbeat guy! I guess these intolerant guys come > a-dime-a-dozen. > When did I say I was antibigbeat? I LIKED bigbeat but its just gotten really tired and boring-like trance. > I hope you're not implying anything... > Im implying many things > 30 bucks? You're obviously going to the wrong raves. The commericialistic ones > may be your only jumping to the better raves, but those aren't the only ones. > The best raves are the 10 buck ones with fairly good DJs and friendly people. > (Unless we're talking about the professional acts like CST.) > No, Im not going to the wrong raves. The only time I ever step foot into a rave is when theres someone that I like thats going to be playing. I refuse to believe the "go to the rave for the vibe, not the music" crap that so many candykids shout everytime I tell them Im not going to a rave cause I dont wanna be around them and their crap music. > "with the exception of Ambient"...I guess we have another minimalist here. Do > all minimalists hate bigbeat and vise-versa, or is it just me? I dunno about > you, but I went to electronica music because I wanted something complex and full > of different sounds (unlike today's alternative/rap/R&B scene). > > Its just you. You obviously dont know what youre talking about. If you went into electronic music because you wanted something complex, then why do you keep knocking ambient and minimal music? > I just listened to it again, and it's better than I thought, but it's so > outdated now. I reserve the phrase "kicks ass" for better albums like MoN and > Sniv. > > Big beat is outdated now as well. > Damn, you're an arrogant asshole. I'm glad I joined this mailing list. It > definately needs some conflicting opinions to balance out all of this > anti-bigbeat attitude. > Thanks mate. I guess you cant take a joke either. This list has an antibigbeat attitude? Youve been here for what a week or so and youve already summed this list up ? Get a life. > What's PLUR? (No dots...modern English rule.) > Never heard of an acronym eh? i know im wasting my breath by responding...but cant help it. .matthewford. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Merrick Schaefer Subject: (orbital) a different take on it all Date: 08 Jul 1999 14:15:44 -0500 This is a long post that could be titled: the historicity of music and linguistic basis for categories of music or maybe we can make something constructive out of the inane postings of the last few days You choose. Recently there have seem to been some "experts" arguing over which music is good and what sucks. That's fine but gets annoying after awhile when it becomes evident that they are reiterating the same SUBJECTIVE points again and again. They apparently have no objective framework in which to judge the music which they are talking about. In other words they cannot say very much about why one is good and another bad. Now I am no expert, but I have been a dj who spins electronic music for the last three years and have been involved in a number of electronic experimental projects. I do live in a large city and have access to many resources which those in more rural areas don't but with careful searching the majority of information about music can be found on the internet and through mixtapes. The last few days I have been scanning most of the posts and ignoring many of them. I have no interest in entering the debate as it is. I do have some objective points to make about music. One of the "experts" in particular seems to pointing out that he knows what is good and what isn't and at the same time has a very limited knowledge of the music and the scenes associated with it. Here are two categories which one can use to objectively judge music; it's history and how it was created. It has been said that "rock and other contemporary music(compared to folk music) doesn't have and tradition except change. To mutate like a virus.(Sontag ,157) " In a sense it is very hard to understand what artists are trying to convey unless you know both what they are inspired by and reacting to. This is one of the reasons why people revere Kraftwerk. There would not be modern electronic music without Kraftwerk. And of course Kraftwerk would not likely have existed without classical experimentation by the likes of John Cage and the Columbia school of music. Learn about the history of the music you are interested in. Then you can tell whether a band is just doing what somebody else has done or whether they are being creative and innovative. Let me give an example of how this can be applied to a debate similar to our own. Lets say I get in an argument with someone who says rage against the machine in industrial music(true story). Fact one: rage against the machine brags that it uses no electronic instruments or samples in its music(though technically they are using electric guitars and such) Fact two: industrial music was started in the mid seventies by such innovators as Throbbing Gristle and Nurse with Wound who were experimenting with making music that was created completely with samples and cut up tapes. often from literally industrial sources. now industrial music has changed a lot in 25 years but saying that it no longer uses electronic instruments would be like saying you can have rock without the guitar bass and drums. so it seems that it would be very difficult to categorize RAM as industrial. Understanding how the music is made gives the listener a deeper understanding of it and a greater ability to judge whether something has merit or not. One could argue that while the crystal method have a great groove and are fun they are not very complex or innovative. this is different from saying they suck or rule. judging from posts I have a feeling many people on this list find such simple music annoying. orbital's green and brown albums were about innovation. they were at the forefront of their scene and many have imitated them pitifully. Moby was at the forefront of his scene as well. It is not wise to dis the people responsible for the music you like, even if you do not care for their music. These categories of music from generic rock/electronic distinctions to specific techstep/darkside distinctions arose out of the historical development of the music. And they serve as symbolic placeholders of individual concepts used in communication. Now you call any music that is electronic techno if you want but don't try to communicate with others if you do so. You don't need to know every distinction, but lurk on the list or ask questions until you are familiar with the commonly used ones. Once you have learned the local lingo, then talk. jungle and house sound very very different. it would not make sense to me to lump them together. Getting breakbeats(a type of beat) and bigbeat(a category of music) confused is a faux pa. Dissing hip hop or even country is a sign of ignorance. But commenting that almost all pop music of any variety(rap, country, techno whatever) by it's very nature is vacuous is not so far from the truth. When it comes down do it I am asking you to respect the music you listen to. Learn about it. Don't judge the world with gut reactions. THINK. Now you can return to your discussion and try to say something constructive or continue another asinine little debate about who sucks and rules on our list. Thanks for reading this if you did, and I am open to any intelligent commentary or critiques. merrick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Kloehr Subject: RE: (orbital) a different take on it all Date: 08 Jul 1999 14:26:52 -0500 >Now you can return to your discussion and try to say something constructive >or continue another asinine little debate about who sucks and rules on our >list. >Thanks for reading this if you did, and I am open to any intelligent >commentary or critiques. Merrick - You Suck! Just kidding......Said Perfectly My Friend!!!!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Schematix / Schizoid Man Date: 08 Jul 1999 20:37:55 +0100 >Does anyone know if Phil Holmberg has any albums out? I remember there being >realaudio samples on the Loopz site a while back, but I haven't heard >anything about him since(except for that fabulous remix of nothing left as >Schizoid man!!!!) I really like that remix, and I wonder if he has other >material. Steve, do you know anything about this? Thanks! No album as yet and he is unsigned once more. The last time i spoke to him was at Glastonbury and he said that he was busy working on a track that utilizes one instrument (yes...he took the idea from Style). Not many people know that Phil Holmburg played a part in the making of The Girl With The Sun In Her Head and Out There Somewhere. It was something that he was meant to be credited on the In Sides album but never made it. If you check The Middle of Nowhere you will see the credit in very small print. Also...i will be putting the Schematix pages back up at some point. The web address will be www.loopz.co.uk/Schematix (nothing there yet). Thanx Steve LOOPZ Price ORBITAL ZINE www.loopz.co.uk www.megadog.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "timmins" Subject: Re: (orbital) Chicago on MD Date: 08 Jul 1999 14:40:22 -0500 You know I would Ryan. I would love to, I am sure someone who gets a CD fr= om me will convert it and distro the mp3's. But I bought a MiniDisc player, I bought great microphones for headphone p= erfect quality and I also risked the frisk when I went into the concert. T= he saying "the best things in life are free" never tried recording a conce= rt. Also, not everyone has a connection like mine, dual t3's, and could downlo= ad and hour and a half of mp3's. No biggie, I would prefer the hassle. timmins p.s. I will include you on the list of people interested. > Hello there, > I am interested in the Orbital recording as well. > How about mp3ing it and making it available for download > on your website. Then those of us with burners could > put it to CD if we wanted (along with whatever we wanted > extra on disc 2) and those that don't could just keep it > in mp3 to listen to. That would save us all the hassle > of mailing cds around and such. Just a suggestion. > Thanks, > ||| ryan ||| > _____ > visit Ryno's adidas page > http://www.iastate.edu/~kicks/adidas.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Subject: (orbital) a comment or sixteen... Date: 08 Jul 1999 13:59:34 -0600 (MDT) oh my god. i was gone for two days. i get back and there's 6 digests waiting for me. there should have only been two. the cause? i believe his name is "brendan." not that there's a problem with that, but jeez... here's a piece of advice: people on this list will respect your opinion a lot more if you keep those messages a little on the shorter side. or if they have to be long (like mine, for instance) then don't respond to every damn message! state your point, make your argument, etc, but don't argue just for the sake of it! i personally agree with whoever said that, for them, this list is more of an electronic-music-in-general list, as opposed to just an orbital list. what i mean is that i don't care what the subject is, but this bickering is obnoxious... on that note, i would like to bicker about some of the things that have been said. first of all brendan, you listen to mu-ziq, but you consider aphex twin to be minimal? what? hello? where am i? i seem to have been spontaneously transported into a parallel dimension in which logic has no formal bounds... almost any IDM fan would put mike p (mu-ziq) and rdj (aphex) in the same category - they are relentlessly compared to each other in nearly all the literature i've ever seen on them. so to call rdj "minimal" - i don't even have a response to that. except for maybe "have you ever heard anything by aphex twin? are you sure?" rdj is, in my opinion, uncategorizable. lately he has done a lot of drill n bass stuff, (like mike p) but seems to be moving out of it, and into... god, i don't know. what does windowlicker sound like? something like nothing i've ever heard before. and he used to do ambient. REAL ambient stuff, like SAW II. maybe that's where you're getting this "minimal" moniker. which would make sense i guess, cuz that's probably his most commercially available album. but for christ's sake, if you've ever heard SAW I or the come to daddy ep or just about anything else by him, you would never think to call him minimal. he's created some of the most complex sounds in all of electronic music. sometimes it's not pretty, but it's still complicated as hell. similar to autechre in that respect (you've gotta admit that the new ae stuff is anything but melodic - but amazing cuz it would be so bloody hard to create!) i'm saying all this, and i'm not even that big of an rdj fan. i find some of his stuff to be ear-bleedingly terrible. ventolin makes me want to run screaming from the room. okay, what else? i like fatboy slim. but i don't think it's very good musically - i recently bought the new album sheerly cuz i thought it would be fun party/dance music. and it is, in my opinion. but when i actually listen to it, i am appalled at how formulaic he is. i mean, how many times can you use the same buildup on an album? i would also like to point out, on the topic of instrumentation, that f.s. and the chems and most of the US-commercial-friendly stuff around these days rely mostly on samples, as opposed to actually creating their own electronic noises. f.s. is especially fond of vocal samples. both he and the chems like to use guitar/fuzzbass blues/funk loops. but i think there's something to be said for bands like orbital that form their sonic environments from the ground up. not to say that orbital never use samples, that's ridiculous, but their synthloops and such are purely their own. i think what's great about electronic music is how technology has allowed artists almost unlimited power to create any sound they want to - bands like autechre take full advantage of this. for me, however, there is a flipside to electronic music: dancing. my favorite electronic artists are those like orbital that combine dance music with sound experimentation. i'm sure there are many who agree with me on this. this is also why i like brown the best - it's great dance music. but then sometimes i just like some brainless trance or pounding jungle - nothing over 170 bpms though, please. :) one (almost) final word, to brendan and others: please do not put the entire population of the list in any category based on two or three days of list messages. also, make a particular note (brendan) that most of the list traffic since you've been here has been a direct result of YOU, and does not necessarily reflect the opinion of the entire list. bigbeat-haters, moby-lovers, etc, all that is just fucking ridiculous. we all like orbital, that's the only thing that matters. unless of course you like the crystal method, in which case you are the spawn of satan. :) oh, and you will learn quickly, if you haven't already, that categorizing electronic music is almost as sketchy as categorizing the people that listen to it - please stop, especially since you don't really know what you're talking about. i'm not saying i know what I'M talking about, but i do know that there are a lot of people on this list that know a hell of a lot more than you or me, and classifying such-and-such as tech-step rather than hard-step is just annoying to them, and everyone else. you'll figure out the genres yourself as you go along. i know what i consider to be jungle as opposed to dnb (usually the latter is deemed the more broad category under which the former falls) and that's all that's important. damn, i'm not usually this preachy. it's just that all these damn digests have fried my brain - i haven't done anything since i got to work 3 hours ago! yeah, so no flame intended, just friendly (??) advice. take care, nub # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Funkenstein" Subject: Re: (orbital) a comment or sixteen... Date: 08 Jul 1999 17:09:47 -0400 >okay, what else? i like fatboy slim. but i don't think it's very good [snip] >listen to it, i am appalled at how formulaic he is. i mean, how many times >can you use the same buildup on an album? Yes! That's a good distinction to make. I think that it's important for both sides of a "this band sucks" This band is good" to look at this. I like a lot of music that I would assert takes quite a bit of talent to make. However, I also like some music that's pretty simple, just because it sounds good. Personally, I think Fatboy Slim sucks, and I can't stand listening to him. I have a very hard time finding anything about his music to respect. However, if someone tells me "I know he's not the greatest musician, I just like the way his music sounds"...I can respect that. Good comment. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ funkenstein@mail.rit.edu http://www.rit.edu/~dco2393 Superfly, you're gonna make your fortune by and by But if you lose don't ask no questions why The only game you know is do or die...Superfly # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Funkenstein" Subject: Re: (orbital) a different take on it all Date: 08 Jul 1999 17:33:01 -0400 >But commenting that almost all pop music of any variety(rap, >country, techno whatever) by it's very nature is vacuous is not so far from >the truth. You were on a roll there for awhile, but how can you possibly say that pop music "by it's very nature" is vacuous? That is a ridiculous statement. Music that is written for the sole purpose of being popular is often (not always by any means, but often) bad music. However, good music does become (and stay) popular. Example: Tom Waits new album has found a vogue among the college crowd. Tom Waits is well respected and the vast majority of his fans will fight to the death to prove his incredible lyrical, musical, and rhythmical genius. Now, does the fact that his album is becoming popular have any effect on the music? Not at all, the fact that a lot of people are buying it doesn't change the quality of the music on the album. Another example: Tom Petty. I would venture to say that Tom Petty is reasonably popular, and that most people would say that he makes "quality" music. However, Tom Petty has said in interviews that a big part of being a rock musician is to sell records...i.e. he wants his music to be popular and accepted. Has that changed the quality of records he has been putting out? Not at all. Has that affected his ability to "dare to be original"? Not at all...his new album is a pretty daring step back towards the music he made in the late 70's / early 80's. Sometimes music being popular demonstrates more than 50,000 teenage girls screaming at Ricki Martin, or people liking the spice girls because they "are so hot". Sometimes it means that the band has done a good job of relating to it's intended audience. Example (last one) Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam, despite moving to the back burner a bit, is still very popular. The reason is because they make quality music that really speaks to teenagers / young adults / and even the occaisional older person. They talk about feeling things that people can listen to and say "I can relate to that"...they even express things that people are feeling better than the people can express them themselves. In the process, they make some pretty interesting instrumental sounds if you listen closely. While I agree that a LOT of pop music is very vacuous, boring, and worthless, it's far too general to say, "by it's very nature is vacuous is not so far from the truth." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ funkenstein@mail.rit.edu http://www.rit.edu/~dco2393 Superfly, you're gonna make your fortune by and by But if you lose don't ask no questions why The only game you know is do or die...Superfly # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) The LAST WORD on Chicago! Date: 08 Jul 1999 18:20:49 -0400 [4 days later, and Shannon says ...] CHICAGO RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOCCCCKKKKEDDD! {THE ultimate LIVE compliment} GO to ANY show you can beg borrow or steal to get to Do not ask permission. Dont think about it. Yo Jus' Go Just ask Brendon or Mehul or Brandon or Reece or Magie etc. I had no idea how many of us made it there. WOW! I had ex-roomate come in from Indiana and he was blown away as well. Brandon somehow i missed your post on the Tuesday before or I would have mailed you. Thanks for the setlist! RE: Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 00:30:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Brandon Invergo I thouht I heard 'Impact's theme come in 3 times in all that mixing. I think I saw you there actually [Red-blonde curly Hair and glasses?] I saw somebody in a Red squiggle shirt too. Public Sorrys to Mehul also: I tried, but we should've picked better spot. Next time I'll meet ya at the front of the BUS! HOTlanta, maybe? Only 4hrs there this time! [Just bought Tix for Tabernacle show. NO SEATS xcpt balcony!] I really enjoyed the recent banter and reviews. [WARNING: IMHO-Time!] For those who DO like tha sexy melodies of TheCM, they played their asses off! The were SONICALLY HUGE and really TIGHT and improv-ed in and out of their beats with steely precision. The did not play any stuff with chik vocals like 'Comin' Back' which are actually some of my favs. I guess they didn't wanna play taped stuff. I thought they were BIG and was totally wowed by the sheer power of their sound. Took me back to WZombie's Astrocreep2000 in '97 or MINISTRY in'92. I like it big and heavy too. The strobes were very huge, being big bank arrays of grilled spots that would alternate various elaborate patterns. ?Anyone have a seizure? :o They were a bit intense and I was the 'cool-one' wearing my sunglasses thru the entire CM set [Mehul is prob glad I WASN't with him 8^)] {Mehul, I think I was standing right in front of you guys (from your descripton earlier) at the back of the floor! FRAAK! I'll skip too much haggling over Lo-Fi except to say that I was a lot more impressed seeing them live thatn I had been hearing the disc. They reall got people up and jumping. I was in the balcony at the beginning to get the overview. There was NO moshing and definitely No Pit [IDM-andrew was n crak] The lead guy worked really hard with the crowd. THe full drum-kit and 2 synths worked hard too. It was GREAT if you're spectrum reaches into hi-energy R&R. Reminded me of RageATM. And I do think all of US owe TheCM some gratitude for choosing Orbital as their INAUGURAL headliners. Even if ya don't like TheCM's tunz, at least you can't argue with their choice for touring mates. This is their gig after-all. Had they chosen ANYBODY else, this list would be dead for the summer of '99. Thanks to TheCM. Orbital are just the whole other side of this universe. I know that when I first got MoN, I didn't get into 1&2 'WayOUt & Spare Parts' as much as the rest of it. These are now my favorites and were amaxing to hear LIVE. The romance of the Spanish sounding trumpets took on expandsive proportions live and loud. If you ever drive down I-75 thru KnoXville and hear them in the air, look over at the old freak in the van next to you and wave Hey Shannon! Given the diversity of this techno university called CST, I can see that P&P wanna give back some classics while doing their new stuff. I was SO glad to hear Halcyon live after P&P saying a few years ago that they were tired of playing it. I thought I had really missed the boat! SATAN! SATAN! SATAN! [wasn't that fun!? ;)] I'm still VERY glad they played it for MY first Orbital show. I think they psychicly knew that I was coming and said OK we'll do it once more for the newbie slacker. It rocked. And for me made a connection with days ago when I was listening to the Butthole Surfers [from whom the opening SATAN dialogue IS sampled] and heard about these NEW guys from England. I played the shit out the Orbital One, and to whoever said a few days ago that it was 'a first album, nothing special' all I can say is that THIS disc was SEMINAL and in my mind started RAVE in the U$A. 'Belfast is my personal fav from Green, but when they played 'Dr.Who' and 'Chime', I was transported into the time-space continuum. >For Real> [CONFESSON: Actually at that moment i didn't even recognize Dr.Who theme, until my wife who has never heard Orbital's version goes "It's Dr.Who"! I used to watch the show all the time, and then was even trying to remember the title for 'Chime', thinking it was from 'Sviv' or 'Brown'.] The whole Orbital set was just the best time i ever had.[And I HAVE had some times] I wished for TGWSIHH and a lot of others, but was transformed by what P&P gave us. And I could tell P&P were really getting off on it too. Phil looked like he was focusing harder, while Paul waved his hands at crowd in response to everyone's joy, but even Phil got into there at he end dancing with his brother and you could just feel how much fun they were having! I'm in awe and gotta git another HIT! Plus I didn't see the cow! I'll see whoever in Atlanta. Email and we'll try to hook up. Gotta giit! ShannON +ON +ON ______________ s. k. campbell _____________________ UT.Med.Ctr.@Knoxville The Image Processing Lab ph.423.544.9693 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) a comment or sixteen... Date: 08 Jul 1999 18:34:22 -0400 Ben wrote: > > i was gone for two days. i get back and there's 6 digests waiting for me. > there should have only been two. the cause? i believe his name is > "brendan." not that there's a problem with that, but jeez... here's a > piece of advice: people on this list will respect your opinion a lot more > if you keep those messages a little on the shorter side. or if they have > to be long (like mine, for instance) then don't respond to every damn > message! state your point, make your argument, etc, but don't argue just > for the sake of it! Sorry. I'm used to message boards. Plus, I'm usually not this overpopulated, but since this was my first appearance, and I already fucked up my general image with my first post, I needed to redeem myself. Of course, this led into other arguments, etc., etc. Oh well... And while I'm on the subject of message boards, why not use one? I find that mailing lists have quite a few annoying disadvantages. I just so happen to have an awesome message board script called RPGBoard. (Now, I'm not pushing this MB thing just to show off my script, but...) Maybe put it on Loopz. (Steve?) There are so many reasons to use a MB over a ML: 1. Threaded messages! 2. Your little "You've got mail" thing actually means something besides yet another ML message 3. You don't feel guilty about posting small messages 4. Messages can be accessed through any browser (not just e-mail) 5. Threaded messages! 6. Ability to post images and use HTML codes 7. Always a public conversation; none of this "replies go to original sender" crap 8. Get to use all on the other little features on RPGBoard Anyway, the script is here if you want to try it out: http://www.resonatorsoft.com/software/rpgboard/ > on that note, i would like to bicker about some of the things that have > been said. first of all brendan, you listen to mu-ziq, but you consider > aphex twin to be minimal? what? hello? where am i? i seem to have been > spontaneously transported into a parallel dimension in which logic has no > formal bounds... almost any IDM fan would put mike p (mu-ziq) and rdj > (aphex) in the same category - they are relentlessly compared to each > other in nearly all the literature i've ever seen on them. so to call rdj > "minimal" - i don't even have a response to that. except for maybe "have > you ever heard anything by aphex twin? are you sure?" rdj is, in my > opinion, uncategorizable. lately he has done a lot of drill n bass stuff, > (like mike p) but seems to be moving out of it, and into... god, i don't > know. what does windowlicker sound like? something like nothing i've ever > heard before. and he used to do ambient. REAL ambient stuff, like SAW II. > maybe that's where you're getting this "minimal" moniker. which would make > sense i guess, cuz that's probably his most commercially available album. > but for christ's sake, if you've ever heard SAW I or the come to daddy ep > or just about anything else by him, you would never think to call him > minimal. he's created some of the most complex sounds in all of electronic > music. sometimes it's not pretty, but it's still complicated as hell. > similar to autechre in that respect (you've gotta admit that the new ae > stuff is anything but melodic - but amazing cuz it would be so bloody hard > to create!) Well, I'm Aphex Twin's The RDJ Album, and I'm trying to figure it out, too. I guess I called anything that was in the Photek/Autechre/Kraftwerk/AT instrument set as Minimal. Dunno...bought it a long time and I wasn't interested in it too much. Now, I'm listening to it and well, what the &%#% is it?! I'm guess D&B on an Autechre instrument set. (To explain what the hell an "Autechre instrument set", it's short, artifical waveforms. In the S3M/XM/IT music scene, these were "chirp tunes" and very small in size because the short waveforms.) Is The RDJ Album a bad comparision? It's fairly interesting, though I wish he was a bit more consistent on his styles. There are bizzare ones like Milkman, Beetles, and Goon Gumpas that pop out of the blue out of an otherwise respectable D&B venture. Any other good albums by him? > okay, what else? i like fatboy slim. but i don't think it's very good > musically - i recently bought the new album sheerly cuz i thought it would > be fun party/dance music. and it is, in my opinion. but when i actually > listen to it, i am appalled at how formulaic he is. i mean, how many times > can you use the same buildup on an album? I consider Chem Bros and Crys Meth to be better big beat guys, but FBS isn't bad. Tunes like Song for Lindy, Right Here Right Now, and Kalifornia stand out pretty well. And isn't most of the music as raves formulaic? (I mean, that's the whole point. It has to be predictable for the dancers.) > i would also like to point out, on the topic of instrumentation, that f.s. > and the chems and most of the US-commercial-friendly stuff around these > days rely mostly on samples, as opposed to actually creating their own > electronic noises. f.s. is especially fond of vocal samples. both he and > the chems like to use guitar/fuzzbass blues/funk loops. but i think > there's something to be said for bands like orbital that form their sonic > environments from the ground up. not to say that orbital never use > samples, that's ridiculous, but their synthloops and such are purely their > own. Yeah, and DJ Shadow uses nothing but vinyl clips from the hiphop industry. So? I'm not a purist that only buys music that doesn't contain outside samples. As long as the music is their own and it's not some popular tune with some guy rapping in the b/g...oops, wrong music industry...I'm fine with it. On a side note, Cirrus has a policy to only use their own samples. > i think what's great about electronic music is how technology has allowed > artists almost unlimited power to create any sound they want to - bands > like autechre take full advantage of this. for me, however, there is a > flipside to electronic music: dancing. my favorite electronic artists are > those like orbital that combine dance music with sound experimentation. > i'm sure there are many who agree with me on this. this is also why i like > brown the best - it's great dance music. I think the best instrument set is the one with the right mix of electronic sounds and conventional instruments. That's why I like MoN so much. It's hard to get emotional with short bleeps and blurs all the time. > but then sometimes i just like some brainless trance or pounding jungle - > nothing over 170 bpms though, please. :) I can take happy hardcore, but only for an hour. After that, give the DJ his cash and send him home. > we > all like orbital, that's the only thing that matters. unless of course you > like the crystal method, in which case you are the spawn of satan. :) Hey! .matthewford. said: > > What about: > > Your are wrong. A three word sentence with no reasoning serves no purpose. Questions that should automatically be answered in your message would be: Why am I wrong? What do you think is right? Do you have some examples? Do we have it covered on how to write a proper reply? Thank you. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aronne James Merrelli Subject: (orbital) Why pay more????????? Date: 08 Jul 1999 20:21:13 -0400 (EDT) This partly intended for those people who said paid like $100 for MoN because they couldn't wait for the domestic. Ok, it was more like $25-30 :) I always squirm when people say that cause I know they are getting ripped off. Instead, try this site : http://www.yalplay.com/ You can mail order stuff without VAT, so you can get MoN directly from the UK for .... 9.77 pounds. I'm not sure how much the shipping is (can't find it on the site at the moment), but I would guess no more than 2 pounds, which is $18.something dollars right now. There might be some other tax I'm not seeing here, but I bet it will be under $20. I haven't ordered from this place before (they used to be www.imvs.co.uk, I've ordered from them Ok though), but I will be ordering soon, so if people want to wait for me to be the guinea pig thats Ok :) Also, I was thinking about getting the new Tech Itch LP, and if If I try to order that through cdnow, its over $30!!! Make that $35 with CDNow's horrendous shipping charges. (bastards!) But If I order direct from the UK through this site, it will be about $18 or $19 with shipping. So if you are going to buy imports, use mail order, and never buy imports from CDNow! If you do buy from CDNow (their domestic prices are decent), check this site first : http://finditnow.8m.com/#coupons For coupons. Never buy full price from CDNow!!!!!!!! :) later, Aronne "Savin' a dollar or 2" Merrelli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aimee Couture" Subject: Re: (orbital) Why pay more????????? Date: 08 Jul 1999 20:59:23 -0400 hmv.co.uk doesn't charge vat to overseas customers either that's how i got my copy of middle of nowhere aim=E9e http://shush.com/aimee http://baked.net/orbitalinfo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "timmins" Subject: (orbital) Bad news... Date: 08 Jul 1999 20:31:33 -0700 Shitty Microsoft Outlook removed all my messages from the server and now I don't have a copy of who is interested in a CD-R copy of Chicago concert. It is MiniDisc recorded transfered to wav and then burned to 2 CD's. I really do apoligize, please resend a request to timmins@thebutt.com and if you have ANY comments or questions, I will not hesitate to answer them as best I can. Great response so far, I wish I had a local copy. timmins # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aimee Couture" Subject: Re: (orbital) Adding to the flood Date: 09 Jul 1999 00:06:52 -0400 > And we all felt a little sorry for Aim=E8e, who couldn't make it. > Oh, and the best thing? Not one whistle was blown all night ;) aw... why thanks dan.. (and others) i'm leaving for michigan in about 10 hours (so i must sleep) but anyway.. i'm just sad i missed out by a few days speaking of whistles, i would have brought my one from the first time i s= aw orbital.. but not to worry.. it doesn't work anymore :) aim=E9e http://shush.com/aimee http://baked.net/orbitalinfo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reece H Subject: Re: (orbital) merrelli's digested reply :) Date: 08 Jul 1999 18:55:20 +0100 > Ninja Tune (Canada) (although once I heard >someone say Hawtin is British and moved to Canada. who knows) hey, ninja tune = coldcut = british, you're thinking of novamute? reece # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: Re: (orbital) merrelli's digested reply :) Date: 09 Jul 1999 00:19:51 -0700 Ninja Tune has a hub in Canada too. .matthewford. Reece H wrote: > > Ninja Tune (Canada) (although once I heard > >someone say Hawtin is British and moved to Canada. who knows) > > hey, > ninja tune = coldcut = british, you're thinking of novamute? > > reece # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Merrick Schaefer Subject: Re: (orbital) a different take on it all Date: 09 Jul 1999 02:20:55 -0500 >While I agree that a LOT of pop music is very vacuous, boring, and >worthless, it's far too general to say, "by it's very nature is vacuous is >not so far from the truth." Well you got me there I guess. We all have prejudices. I agree my comment was too strong and definately not specific enough. I would like to clarify some things. I was not referring to popular music. I was referring to pop music. Tom Waits is a musical genius and by all accounts Orbital are pretty popular if you look at Europe as well. The pop music(not indie pop) I was referring to was the sort of music made to satiate the greatest number of people, to appeal to the broadest base. Yes many people can identify with it and yes they continue to alter and repackage the formula in new and clever ways but in the end it is a tried and true formula. It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to predict the spice girls would sell a lot of records. This formula is almost always endearingly simple and by it's nature not experimental. It furthers no new ideas. It fills space, so in a sense it is not vacuous. I don't know, as i see it when I listen to style I get lost in the beautiful infinite complexities of the universe and when I listen to commercial radio I get a headache. but then again this is way to general of a statement. I feel that this type of music is a product of our culture of consumerism. It is being made to make the almighty dollar which makes the world go round. I really enjoyed orbital's commentary on all this. Bargain Bonanza. Why Pay More. BUY NOTHING. I wish I had the opportunity of talking to them. You guys who did are really lucky. merrick . . . . . . . ... . . . . . . . Merrick Schaefer mpschaef@midway.uchicago.edu phone address (773)667-6928 1213 E. 54th, Apt. 2B. Chicago, IL 60615 In 1986, scientists took the gene whose product emits light in a firefly and inserted it into the genetic code of tobacco plant. The tobacco leaves glow. . . . . . . . ... . . . . . . . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AJ Brustein Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Moby vs. anything else Date: 10 Jul 1999 19:25:16 +0900 Wow, Brendan, you are very impressoinable aren't you. You take such a firm stand on, well about, almost everything said on this list, and if one person disagrees fine. But the minute the second person dissagrees, you opinion automatically sways. Quite odd. Anyway, since most of the questions you had in response to my email have been answered, I can skip them. You've probably already changed your mind about them anyway. But I will say I don't have a fav Orbital album as I love them all except for MON which I just like. I also don't have a favorite song, but I do really like a few like Lush and Kein Wink whatever and a few others whose names I can't think of now. So, is that what every Moby fan likes? Oh, I actually like the orignal Speak Freak better than the Moby remix, but I didn't produce the American release (which is really quite different from the other releases). Your Jimi Hendrix comment was funny. That is like saying you don't like any soda sine you don't like Coke (true/not true - no point). Also, you are the first person I have ever heard say they think DYOH and EPD are the same. So, obviously we talk to different people. But liking EBD and hating DYOH iscompletely illogical! Another rediculous comment by Brendan. What is illogical is that if someone doesn't agree with you they are wrong. I'm glad some of the lurkers are coming out to make you aware of this. You assume WAY too much about basically everything you have said in you few days here. And as if the assuming wasn't enough, piled on with your lack of commitment, you are quite a, well don't I feel stupid that I can't even remember english anymore and so I can't write that word. You know - a person who sayss or does one thing but says another. But you are that too. Maybe not in real life, but from the little we know of you from the few days, I'll bet I am not the only one who thinks like that. But don't feel too bad. I got an email last night from some guy sticking up for you (he was really stupid - I wish I still had that email) but unfotunetly, he sent it to only me by mistake. Anyway. Back to Moby (there is more Moby talk here than on the Moby list), I wasn't talking about sales for EIW and EPD. I have no clue about them. Chances are the CB's CD sold more. What I was talking about was quality. As in Album of the year (SPIN 1995) plus every other magazines number 1 or Top10. And thnks to everyone who informed you about the genre that Moby help define, I don't have to go over that. But, as for the genre classifying, I will be the last person to try and define them. I don't know or care. But obviouly the stores yo shop at lump all techno into techno. (The way it should be). If you want me to send you multiple pictures, I can, where they cut up techno and FBS, CM, CB are all in the Electronic Rock section. Actualy ,I can't send you pictures cause it is illegal here to take pictures in the stores. Finally, I looked at my clock, but it doesn't need to be fixed. Assuming you know everything as usual, you assume I am living a day in the future. You're half correct. I am in the present, but wherever you are (somewhere in America I guess) you are 13,14,15,or 16 hours behind me, as I am in Tokyo. Understand? So, I should tel you to fix your clock, but that would be stupid. Later. AJ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reece H Subject: Re: (orbital) a comment or sixteen... Date: 09 Jul 1999 11:53:27 +0100 > However, if someone tells me "I know he's not the greatest >musician, I just like the way his music sounds"...I can respect that. Good >comment. fbs has even admitted that his music is nothing special and doesn't require much talent to make. reece # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reece H Subject: (orbital) live Date: 09 Jul 1999 12:01:00 +0100 has anyone been at the front of the crowd, preferably centre, when halcyon is playing, and when phil puts his hands in the air, you turn around to see a couple thousand people all holding their hands in the air? it's one of the most amazing things i've ever seen. reece # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AJ Brustein Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Moby vs. anything else Date: 10 Jul 1999 21:39:30 +0900 Wow, Brendan, you are very impressoinable aren't you. You take such a firm stand on, well about, almost everything said on this list, and if one person disagrees fine. But the minute the second person dissagrees, you opinion automatically sways. Quite odd. Anyway, since most of the questions you had in response to my email have been answered, I can skip them. You've probably already changed your mind about them anyway. But I will say I don't have a fav Orbital album as I love them all except for MON which I just like. I also don't have a favorite song, but I do really like a few like Lush and Kein Wink whatever and a few others whose names I can't think of now. So, is that what every Moby fan likes? Oh, I actually like the orignal Speak Freak better than the Moby remix, but I didn't produce the American release (which is really quite different from the other releases). Your Jimi Hendrix comment was funny. That is like saying you don't like any soda sine you don't like Coke (true/not true - no point). Also, you are the first person I have ever heard say they think DYOH and EPD are the same. So, obviously we talk to different people. But liking EBD and hating DYOH iscompletely illogical! Another rediculous comment by Brendan. What is illogical is that if someone doesn't agree with you they are wrong. I'm glad some of the lurkers are coming out to make you aware of this. You assume WAY too much about basically everything you have said in you few days here. And as if the assuming wasn't enough, piled on with your lack of commitment, you are quite a, well don't I feel stupid that I can't even remember english anymore and so I can't write that word. You know - a person who sayss or does one thing but says another. But you are that too. Maybe not in real life, but from the little we know of you from the few days, I'll bet I am not the only one who thinks like that. But don't feel too bad. I got an email last night from some guy sticking up for you (he was really stupid - I wish I still had that email) but unfotunetly, he sent it to only me by mistake. Anyway. Back to Moby (there is more Moby talk here than on the Moby list), I wasn't talking about sales for EIW and EPD. I have no clue about them. Chances are the CB's CD sold more. What I was talking about was quality. As in Album of the year (SPIN 1995) plus every other magazines number 1 or Top10. And thnks to everyone who informed you about the genre that Moby help define, I don't have to go over that. But, as for the genre classifying, I will be the last person to try and define them. I don't know or care. But obviouly the stores yo shop at lump all techno into techno. (The way it should be). If you want me to send you multiple pictures, I can, where they cut up techno and FBS, CM, CB are all in the Electronic Rock section. Actualy ,I can't send you pictures cause it is illegal here to take pictures in the stores. Finally, I looked at my clock, but it doesn't need to be fixed. Assuming you know everything as usual, you assume I am living a day in the future. You're half correct. I am in the present, but wherever you are (somewhere in America I guess) you are 13,14,15,or 16 hours behind me, as I am in Tokyo. Understand? So, I should tel you to fix your clock, but that would be stupid. Later. AJ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AJ Brustein Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Moby vs. anything else Date: 10 Jul 1999 21:44:36 +0900 Sorry. My retarded computer who turned 3 years old last month (too old for a laptop) sent the same email out 3 times all to dif addresses, so especially sorry to Brendan who I guess got 3 copies. Anyway, to make Orbital related post for once, for anyone who happens to shop on eBay and is paying rediculous prices for that bootleg that keeps being listed, please stop! Someone is getting rich off you for something you could get for free. All it is is a CDR. So, just trade with someone. Don't pay 30 dollars! That guy didn't even make the CD, he just got it from somewhere and it making loot now. So, please, try your best to not get ripped off. Later. AJ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aronne James Merrelli Subject: (orbital) Re: ninja tune Date: 09 Jul 1999 10:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Excerpts from lists: 8-Jul-99 Re: (orbital) merrelli's di.. by Reece H@ucl.ac.uk > ninja tune = coldcut = british, you're thinking of novamute? well, no I wasn't thinking of Novamute, but I guess on second though Ninja Tune isn't a good example since most of their artists are british. And they do have an operation in Canada but that doesn't really mean much. later, aronne # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: (orbital) novamute Date: 09 Jul 1999 19:19:54 +0100 At 18:55 08/07/99 +0100, Reece H wrote: > >> Ninja Tune (Canada) (although once I heard >>someone say Hawtin is British and moved to Canada. who knows) > >hey, >ninja tune = coldcut = british, you're thinking of novamute? Novamute's British. And damn good too. Preferable to Ninja, who seem to have lost their way since the second 'Ninja Tunes' album. Sorry, forgot to add "in my opinion".... cheers, Jon - "You go home drunk, and you'd never know which house was yours." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) SanFran Cyberfest6 THIS weekend Date: 09 Jul 1999 16:32:35 -0400 Hey kids! Anybody going on the west coast [SanFran] THIS weekend? Check out this 6th annual Cyberfest of Future Music at: http://sfstation.com/clubs/cyberfest99.htm For those who jus' wanna know who's there, here's the some from a list of 50 confirmed: CHEMICAL BROTHERS NIZAM & special guest BISHOPE BT GOLDIE KRS ONE DJ RAP JOSH WINK DJ DAN PLANET ASIA RICHARD HUMPTY VISSION FELIX DA HOUSECAT ROY DAVIS JR. SPACETIME CONTINUUM MARINER EASE DROP THOMAS MICHAEL GARTH + many, many more artists TBA Plus special invited guests KRS ONE, UNDERWORLD and others Sounds too kool! "Mom, can I move to SanFrancisco?" Maybe i'll make the 7th one 'cause I've got: !!! 5 days for me 'til second helpin' of Orbital in HOT-lanta !!! !OOOOOWWWW! SCnTN np: Time Flys (Fast) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (orbital) :):):) Date: 09 Jul 1999 13:33:39 PDT Hello everyone !!!! I'm in a happy mood today (it is my birthday). I just felt like saying that I love all you guys and that I have had a wonderful time chatting with all of you. I'm going to see the Chems tonight in LA, so hopefully I will have fun (the new CD was decent). Talk to you all on Sunday . (To Brendan from the Orbital list : Despite everything that has been said, and the backlash that has resulted from your joining in and posting, I want to extend my hand of friendship to you. Maybe everyone and I on the list diagree with just about everything you say, :) but I don't want to make anyone feel like their in a hostile environment. Welcome !!!! (p.s. Vangelis STILL rules !!!! ;) Love, Josh/NoiseWerker/Juno noisewerker@hotmail.com noisewerker@home.com ICQ #42651237 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reece H Subject: (orbital) trevi fountain Date: 10 Jul 1999 00:14:25 +0100 can anyone tell me what is the trevi fountain (lyrics, the box pt. 4)? i read something about it being in "la dolce vita" but can anyone clue me in? and why are they going to invade it? reece # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) SanFran Cyberfest6 THIS weekend Date: 09 Jul 1999 19:17:19 -0400 "Shannon K. Campbell" wrote: > > Sounds too kool! "Mom, can I move to SanFrancisco?" No kidding! That sounds killer, but I'm 14-15 states away. Does anybody know about that Y2K concert/rave coming up? I saw a banner for it in Chicago and it had ALL KINDS of people playing: Chem Bros, Underworld, Apollo 440, FBS...to name a few. BTW, I'm starting to explore D&B a bit more. Anybody have any good recommendations? Good as in: creative, focuses on the other instruments as much as the D&B, not too repetive (all techno is fairly repetive, but you know what I mean). I've been looking into getting some more u-Ziq and Eat Static, as well as getting stuff like Darren Price and LTJ Bukem. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) trevi fountain Date: 09 Jul 1999 19:33:42 -0400 Reece H wrote: > > can anyone tell me what is the trevi fountain (lyrics, the box pt. 4)? i > read something about it being in "la dolce vita" but can anyone clue me in? > and why are they going to invade it? I wouldn't bother. They are UW-esque lyrics. (IOW, they make no sense.) BTW, here they are: shares his neighbors with a building knows addresses of by heart draws a picture of his future keeps the paper close at hand packs his tongue into a suitcase suffers terror on the train and he wants to start a movement cause he's indestructible destructible..suffers terror on the train he's indestructible and you know they'll never find us and they'll leave us alone and if we just keep on talking then we'll still make it home there's commotion and promotion now they've done good every war sell our pictures to a paper now that everyone must know trading satellites for substance let spectators pay their way we'll invade the trevi fountain now that everyone must pay mama and babies mother tragedy babies mothers tragedy babies mothers tragedy terrifies the kill Gleaned from http://www.kalama.com/~gundlach/thebox.html -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) trevi fountain Date: 09 Jul 1999 16:45:45 PDT Yeah Yeah!!! I was wondering the same thing actually!! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Skip Acuff" Subject: (orbital) trevi fountain -Reply Date: 09 Jul 1999 17:07:54 -0700 Reece queried: >>>can anyone tell me what is the trevi fountain (lyrics, the box pt. 4)? i read something about it being in "la dolce vita" but can anyone clue me in? and why are they going to invade it?<<< It's a landmark in Rome. Appeared in old fifties movies like Roman Holiday, Three Coins in a Fountain (the Trevi fountain, natch), and the Ray Harryhousen sci-fi cheese classic, 26 Million Miles to Earth. Maybe the invasion is an arcane reference to the space alien creature that stalked Rome in the latter flic. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Morgan" Subject: (orbital) (kw) :):):) Date: 09 Jul 1999 19:02:45 PDT Where can I get some of this E you're on? On July 9, Juno Jackson wrote: Hello everyone !!!! I'm in a happy mood today (it is my birthday). I just felt like saying that I love all you guys and that I have had a wonderful time chatting with all of you. I'm going to see the Chems tonight in LA, so hopefully I will have fun (the new CD was decent). Talk to you all on Sunday . (To Brendan from the Orbital list : Despite everything that has been said, and the backlash that has resulted from your joining in and posting, I want to extend my hand of friendship to you. Maybe everyone and I on the list diagree with just about everything you say, :) but I don't want to make anyone feel like their in a hostile environment. Welcome !!!! (p.s. Vangelis STILL rules !!!! ;) Love, Josh/NoiseWerker/Juno noisewerker@hotmail.com noisewerker@home.com ICQ #42651237 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aronne James Merrelli Subject: (orbital) Re: (way OT) dnb rec's Date: 10 Jul 1999 00:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Excerpts from lists: 9-Jul-99 Re: (orbital) SanFran Cyber.. by SineSwiper@resonatorsoft > BTW, I'm starting to explore D&B a bit more. Anybody have any good > recommendations? Good as in: creative, focuses on the other instruments as > much as the D&B, not too repetive (all techno is fairly repetive, but you > know what I mean). I've been looking into getting some more u-Ziq and Eat > Static, as well as getting stuff like Darren Price and LTJ Bukem. loads :) BTW eat static isn't really dnb - Science of the gods has a lot in it, its a dnb meets trance kinda thing. but the earlier stuff has none (its just plain trance) Don't know what their new stuff (B-world I think?) sounds like. Here's some stuff I think you'll like - it is all what I would call "listening dnb" as opposed to more dancefloor type dnb. (which is what I would call Roni Size, and I think you weren't all that impressed by him.) first, anything from Good Looking / Looking Good Records (this is ltj bukem's label). Specifically, Logical Progression, Progression Sessions, or the new series Points in Time. There are 3 of each and each logical progression is 2CDs. So thats a dozen already :) Logical Progression vol.1 is the first one and probably the best starting point - essential d'n'b record here. I'm not too fond of the "earth" stuff. I got vol.1 which has 2 amazing tracks on it but the rest is so-so. Boyermang's LP. Balance of the Force is also excellent. Fuses hard edged and ambient like nobody else. Spring Heel Jack is also really great, on the ambient-dnb tip. Haven't heard their new one yet (Treader I think), but 68 Million Shades, Busy Curious Thristy, and There are strings are all excellent albums. Finally try some Amon Tobin stuff. He makes unique music, the best description I can think of dnb + jazz + hiphop + samba + movie theme music, in various proportions :) All this stuff I've mentioned so far should be relatively easy to find... oh yeah I also just got a copy of Kid Loops' "Time Quake", another fine record... I think its also domestic, on ultra records. later, aronne # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: (way OT) dnb rec's Date: 09 Jul 1999 23:44:27 -0700 BWorld is Eat Static Live from a recent tour. .matthewford. Aronne James Merrelli wrote: > loads :) > BTW eat static isn't really dnb - Science of the gods has a lot in it, > its a dnb meets trance kinda thing. but the earlier stuff has none > (its just plain trance) Don't know what their new stuff > (B-world I think?) sounds like. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike George" Subject: (orbital) Worcester tonight and Steve Price Date: 10 Jul 1999 16:54:59 -0700 I'll be about in a Chelsea blue and white football shirt, if ya see me gimme a shout Loopzy babes, mail me ya new phone number as I only have your old one Mike G # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Who was speaking to PAul about the Loopz site ? Date: 11 Jul 1999 03:30:38 +0100 I cant remember who said that he spoke to Paul about many subjects including the Loopz website. Whoever it was can they email please....steve.price@capgemini.co.uk Thanx Steve LOOPZ PRice Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk www.megadog.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Message Board on Loopz? - already exists Date: 11 Jul 1999 03:27:30 +0100 >Now, I'm not pushing this MB >thing just to show off my script, but...) Maybe put it on Loopz. (Steve?) Their is a message board already up and running on the Loopz site. Lots of people posting - lots of interesting conversation (well...most of the time ...LOL). Its in the MISC secton or there is a link on the main page. Come and join the conversation! Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital ZIne www.loopz.co.uk www.megadog.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: Re: (orbital) Rebuttal about Crys Meth, breakbeat, etc. (very long) Date: 10 Jul 1999 23:48:32 -0400 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > Whatever. There was dancing and techno music. I call it a professional rave. Then you're all invited to my 'wedding rave' when I get married :) > Look...I use expert in the loosest form of the word. I know there are plenty of > other people that know a helluva lot more than me. But, I don't appreciate the > holier-than-thou attitude I get from most of this group of people. "Hello, kettle? This is the pot calling...." > > AE is more like minimalism to me...I wouldn't call Aphex twin minimalism at > > all... > > No, you'd call it bigbeat, right? After all, it IS popular music. Oh yeah, ya can't turn on the radio without hearing Windolicker or Clipper or Come To Daddy or any of those hit AE/AFX singles that are tearing up the charts. -- If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://i.am/DataSquid # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: Re: (orbital) Rebuttal about Crys Meth, breakbeat, etc. (very long) Date: 11 Jul 1999 00:17:34 -0400 "Dr. Funkenstein" wrote: > > >of an Acid flavor. Fatboy Slim is good, but it's not like Chem Bros or Crys > >Meth or Cirrus. It's more into the rapping, record stratching type bigbeat. > >(What catagory is that? I used to call that Trip-Hop, but now I don't know.) > > I wouldn't say FBS is into scratching or rapping from what I've heard...but > ok. Okay DJ Shadow is a perfect example of trip hop...if you've heard > Shadow then that will tell you what trip hop is better than any explanation > I can give. Basically, though, it's hiphop with no rapping and (to fill > in) more changes in the beats and more samples. I don't think you can find better examples of trip hop than Massive Attack and Trickey. I've heard it said that they're the only two acts in the genre ;) -- If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://i.am/DataSquid # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital in Chicago Date: 11 Jul 1999 00:06:37 -0400 Margaret Hadam wrote: > > i went to the show at the congress and had the best time, cept for > crystal meth...never liked them now i despise them... > > but i wanted to say hi to all the really nice guys i met at the > show...unfortunately i dont remember any of your names: the guy form > des moines with the autograph, brendan (i think) who was wearing the > green orbital shirt, josh from the quad cities ... > > well orbital was just phenomenal... an hour and a half of pure > bliss... > im still drooling :) Stupid me, here was me not thinking. Why didn't we try and organise a bit of a meet in Detroit? Dang. Well, I was wearing my blue 'girls kick ass/univeristy of waterloo engineering' tshirt. Maybe that caught your eye. -- If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://i.am/DataSquid # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: Re: (orbital) merrelli's digested reply :) Date: 11 Jul 1999 01:11:38 -0400 Hmm, never caught the original message... but if you're talking about Richie Hawtin (Plastikman, FUSE) he's Canadian. He's from Windsor, Ontario. As far as I've been told anyway. Of course I'm pretty sure I was told buy him at a rave 2 years ago, but my memory of that event is of course, not the greatest. Reece H wrote: > > > Ninja Tune (Canada) (although once I heard > >someone say Hawtin is British and moved to Canada. who knows) > > hey, > ninja tune = coldcut = british, you're thinking of novamute? -- If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://i.am/DataSquid # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Moby vs. anything else Date: 11 Jul 1999 00:32:56 -0400 Wow, he spent more thatn two hours writing this email? Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > Now, you could say that you don't like Chem Bros and you like Moby. You could > say that Chem Bros suck and Moby rules. But, don't you -DARE- say that Moby has > more talent than Chemical Brothers, ok? I like the chems. I like Moby. It's a fact that the average used kleenex in Mobys garbage contains more talent than the grey matter of Tom and Ed combined. The Chems make one type of music. That's it. They also mix it, like in Brothers Gonna Work it Out, that doesn't count (apples/oranges thing). Moby makes 3 types. His daney stuff (like the classics Every Time You Touch Me and Feeling So Real), his really snazzy soundtracky/mellow stuff (Hymn, God Moving..., When It's Cold..., Into The Blue) and his 'well, I guess HE likes it stuff' like his godawful strange (and somehow catchy) rock crazyness. There's more creativity and musical talent displayed on the 1 Moby CD I own (and have lent out) than on the 4 Chem. CDs I have. And I think EPD is the best chem CD. That's where they have some interesting changes in their music. It has my favourite tracks, Life Is Sweet and One Too Many Mornings. Damn fine stuff there. But how much of it was the Chems doing? NP: Oakenfold: Resident Disc 2. Because I'd rather be out grabbing ass at a club than sitting in this shitty town answering 200 pieces of email. -- If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://i.am/DataSquid # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Moby vs. anything else Date: 11 Jul 1999 01:39:20 -0400 AJ Brustein wrote: > I like the first CB CD. The second was horrible, the DJ on was decent and the > new one is OK. But you know how awesome and talented they are and proved it to Wow, I'm not alone in thinking exactly this way.... -- If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://i.am/DataSquid # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (orbital) Off-Topic : Back with report Date: 10 Jul 1999 22:47:19 PDT Hey all !!! Got back in today; I'm tired as hell !!! The Chemical Bros. rocked !!!! One problem though. THE DJ'S !!!!! I arrived at the Hollywood Palladium at around 5:30 PM. The doors opened at 6:30. My friend and I had stood in the second row that was formed. Some DJ they had (who name is unknown) spun shit for a good two hours. This REALLY began to piss my friend and I off. Then finally Todd Terry came up and did his set after that first load of dung had been dropped. Todd wasn't bad, but he could've spun some better stuff. Midway into the set, we had gotten so damn exhausted from standing that we moved up to the balcony. Finally at 10:30, the Bros. appeared. I felt like I was at some school dance. I almost went insane. I mean I know that long DJ sets are typical at a rave, but I came to see the Bros.; not to hear 4 hours of shit. If you mix, you need to have GOOD MUSIC and not repetitive Chinese water torture. Made me think twice about having my turntables repaired. ;) I didn't dance until they opened with "Hey Boy Hey Girl". I knew that I would be dead by the time that they finally arrived on stage if I had done so earlier. Too much treble though. And too many high pitched siren sounds and grinding bomb distortion. There was this one girl who got up on stage and flashed the crowd (that's when I regretted moving up to the balcony), and one guy got roudy with the wanna-be bacon squad and was kicked out. The place reeked of bud and sweat. It always suprises me how people sneak stuff in after being frisked. I remember seeing Kraftwerk at the same place last year and I was told that I couldn't bring in my CD's. I asked the security guard if he could hold them until the end of the show because I didn't want to step out of line to put them back in the car. Fucker ran off with them after the show. Nevertheless, when the show started, some guy was waving his vinyl copy of "Ralf & Florian" around in the air. WHAT THE FUCK ??? Also, I noticed once again that when older people have nowhere to go, they come see what's up with us kids. It's so cute and silly to see old grandmas and guys in their mid 40's who are all fried out of their minds dance with their eyes closed. ;) FOR THE ZTT/ART OF NOISE LIST : Was at the Virgin Megastore at the Ontario Mills Mall earlier today; they played bits from "Seduction", and I saw like, three of four copies of the Yebo remixes in the clearance section for $3.99 ! :0 I also got the issue of DJ magazine with the Anne & Paul interviews. There was an ad for Metaforce in it as well, and DJ Michael Kilkie made the Rhythm Masters remix number one on his list. There is also a photo and interview of AoN inside of freebie mag Mean Street (a small Orange County based, US publication that mostly specializes in punk with a dab of rap and techno). FOR THE YELLO LIST : I finally picked up "Solid Pleasure" a few days ago; I must say that it is quite trippy ! Chico Hablas' guitar solos on that album are so beautiful !!! NoiseWerker _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reece H Subject: Re: (orbital) Rebuttal about Crys Meth, breakbeat, etc. (very long) Date: 11 Jul 1999 06:00:19 +0100 >I don't think you can find better examples of trip hop than Massive >Attack and Trickey. I've heard it said that they're the only two acts >in the genre ;) wasn't trip-hop defined by dj shadow's influx? reece # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: Re: (orbital) Off-Topic : Back with report Date: 11 Jul 1999 00:01:47 -0700 This part is funny not only cause I work there, but because Im the one that put it on today as I am the electronic music buyer for this store. did you see me? .matthewford Juno Jackson wrote: > FOR THE ZTT/ART OF NOISE LIST : > > Was at the Virgin Megastore at the Ontario Mills Mall earlier today; > they played bits from "Seduction", and I saw like, three of four copies of > the Yebo remixes in the clearance section for $3.99 ! :0 > > I also got the issue of DJ magazine with the Anne & Paul interviews. There > was an ad for Metaforce in it as well, and DJ Michael Kilkie made the Rhythm > Masters remix number one on his list. There is also a photo and interview of > AoN inside of freebie mag Mean Street (a small Orange County based, US > publication that mostly specializes in punk with a dab of rap and techno). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Worcester Show Date: 11 Jul 1999 00:00:20 PDT Hey all, I just got back from the show. It was really hot and sweaty there. The theatre is a piece of shit. Ok, I'm going to bed now, I'll have my comprehensive review tomorrow, including my ranking down of crystal method and about my so close, yet so far away from meeting orbital story. Ok, Chao! Rob "deserves to be shot" Schultz _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Funkenstein" Subject: Re: (orbital) Rebuttal about Crys Meth, breakbeat, etc. (very long) Date: 11 Jul 1999 04:21:37 -0400 >I don't think you can find better examples of trip hop than Massive >Attack and Trickey. I've heard it said that they're the only two acts >in the genre ;) No way! There are tons of trip hop people out there. DJ Shadow for one. I wanted to type a lot more, but I'm far too drunk...maybe tommorrow. ------------ dco2393@rit.edu ---------------- Dr. Funkenstein - http://www.rit.edu/~dco2393 Rap ain't about bustin' caps and fuckin' bitches It's about fluency with rhymin' ingenuity Del tha Funkee Homosapien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Who was speaking to PAul about the Loopz site ? Date: 11 Jul 1999 03:30:38 +0100 I cant remember who said that he spoke to Paul about many subjects including the Loopz website. Whoever it was can they email please....steve.price@capgemini.co.uk Thanx Steve LOOPZ PRice Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk www.megadog.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Message Board on Loopz? - already exists Date: 11 Jul 1999 03:27:30 +0100 >Now, I'm not pushing this MB >thing just to show off my script, but...) Maybe put it on Loopz. (Steve?) Their is a message board already up and running on the Loopz site. Lots of people posting - lots of interesting conversation (well...most of the time ...LOL). Its in the MISC secton or there is a link on the main page. Come and join the conversation! Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital ZIne www.loopz.co.uk www.megadog.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: Re: (orbital) Rebuttal about Crys Meth, breakbeat, etc. (very long) Date: 11 Jul 1999 00:17:34 -0400 "Dr. Funkenstein" wrote: > > >of an Acid flavor. Fatboy Slim is good, but it's not like Chem Bros or Crys > >Meth or Cirrus. It's more into the rapping, record stratching type bigbeat. > >(What catagory is that? I used to call that Trip-Hop, but now I don't know.) > > I wouldn't say FBS is into scratching or rapping from what I've heard...but > ok. Okay DJ Shadow is a perfect example of trip hop...if you've heard > Shadow then that will tell you what trip hop is better than any explanation > I can give. Basically, though, it's hiphop with no rapping and (to fill > in) more changes in the beats and more samples. I don't think you can find better examples of trip hop than Massive Attack and Trickey. I've heard it said that they're the only two acts in the genre ;) -- If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://i.am/DataSquid # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (orbital) Off-Topic : Back with report Date: 10 Jul 1999 22:47:19 PDT Hey all !!! Got back in today; I'm tired as hell !!! The Chemical Bros. rocked !!!! One problem though. THE DJ'S !!!!! I arrived at the Hollywood Palladium at around 5:30 PM. The doors opened at 6:30. My friend and I had stood in the second row that was formed. Some DJ they had (who name is unknown) spun shit for a good two hours. This REALLY began to piss my friend and I off. Then finally Todd Terry came up and did his set after that first load of dung had been dropped. Todd wasn't bad, but he could've spun some better stuff. Midway into the set, we had gotten so damn exhausted from standing that we moved up to the balcony. Finally at 10:30, the Bros. appeared. I felt like I was at some school dance. I almost went insane. I mean I know that long DJ sets are typical at a rave, but I came to see the Bros.; not to hear 4 hours of shit. If you mix, you need to have GOOD MUSIC and not repetitive Chinese water torture. Made me think twice about having my turntables repaired. ;) I didn't dance until they opened with "Hey Boy Hey Girl". I knew that I would be dead by the time that they finally arrived on stage if I had done so earlier. Too much treble though. And too many high pitched siren sounds and grinding bomb distortion. There was this one girl who got up on stage and flashed the crowd (that's when I regretted moving up to the balcony), and one guy got roudy with the wanna-be bacon squad and was kicked out. The place reeked of bud and sweat. It always suprises me how people sneak stuff in after being frisked. I remember seeing Kraftwerk at the same place last year and I was told that I couldn't bring in my CD's. I asked the security guard if he could hold them until the end of the show because I didn't want to step out of line to put them back in the car. Fucker ran off with them after the show. Nevertheless, when the show started, some guy was waving his vinyl copy of "Ralf & Florian" around in the air. WHAT THE FUCK ??? Also, I noticed once again that when older people have nowhere to go, they come see what's up with us kids. It's so cute and silly to see old grandmas and guys in their mid 40's who are all fried out of their minds dance with their eyes closed. ;) FOR THE ZTT/ART OF NOISE LIST : Was at the Virgin Megastore at the Ontario Mills Mall earlier today; they played bits from "Seduction", and I saw like, three of four copies of the Yebo remixes in the clearance section for $3.99 ! :0 I also got the issue of DJ magazine with the Anne & Paul interviews. There was an ad for Metaforce in it as well, and DJ Michael Kilkie made the Rhythm Masters remix number one on his list. There is also a photo and interview of AoN inside of freebie mag Mean Street (a small Orange County based, US publication that mostly specializes in punk with a dab of rap and techno). FOR THE YELLO LIST : I finally picked up "Solid Pleasure" a few days ago; I must say that it is quite trippy ! Chico Hablas' guitar solos on that album are so beautiful !!! 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Date: 11 Jul 1999 07:08:21 -0400 (EWT) Hey folks... anyone know offhand what Orbital's set list was for the worcester show? /Andrew # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital in Chicago Date: 11 Jul 1999 00:06:37 -0400 Margaret Hadam wrote: > > i went to the show at the congress and had the best time, cept for > crystal meth...never liked them now i despise them... > > but i wanted to say hi to all the really nice guys i met at the > show...unfortunately i dont remember any of your names: the guy form > des moines with the autograph, brendan (i think) who was wearing the > green orbital shirt, josh from the quad cities ... > > well orbital was just phenomenal... an hour and a half of pure > bliss... > im still drooling :) Stupid me, here was me not thinking. Why didn't we try and organise a bit of a meet in Detroit? Dang. Well, I was wearing my blue 'girls kick ass/univeristy of waterloo engineering' tshirt. Maybe that caught your eye. -- If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://i.am/DataSquid # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: Re: (orbital) Rebuttal about Crys Meth, breakbeat, etc. (very long) Date: 10 Jul 1999 23:48:32 -0400 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > Whatever. There was dancing and techno music. I call it a professional rave. Then you're all invited to my 'wedding rave' when I get married :) > Look...I use expert in the loosest form of the word. I know there are plenty of > other people that know a helluva lot more than me. But, I don't appreciate the > holier-than-thou attitude I get from most of this group of people. "Hello, kettle? This is the pot calling...." > > AE is more like minimalism to me...I wouldn't call Aphex twin minimalism at > > all... > > No, you'd call it bigbeat, right? After all, it IS popular music. Oh yeah, ya can't turn on the radio without hearing Windolicker or Clipper or Come To Daddy or any of those hit AE/AFX singles that are tearing up the charts. -- If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://i.am/DataSquid # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Loopz Mailing List Date: 11 Jul 1999 13:06:07 +0100 Those who want to join the Loopz Mailing List - now is the time. The old list has just been scrapped as it was an Admin nightmare. To join the new list... www.loopz.co.uk (bookmark this page - no other one as the other urls die soon) Select MAILING then type your email address and click JOIN. Simple :) Other developments on the website Remix Competition 1999 is open - Follow the link on the first page Channel #ORBITAL on the UNDERNET - the place to talk to other Orbital fans about Orbital, music and life in general is being relaunched - Follow the link on the first page to find out how to access the room. BTW...there will be a Paul Hartnoll chat hopefully after the tour...so its worth learning how to connect to this channel. ORBITAL LIVE PROJECT - Now updating again - photos of Queen Elizabeth Hall and Glastonbury 1999 is online. Video, Audio to be added soon. Thats the spam over and done with Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk www.megadog.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Willoughby Subject: (orbital) couldn't resist being an ass, part 33 1/3 Date: 11 Jul 1999 05:06:29 -0700 Hello, I've been working my ass off for the past couple of days - and it seems like I missed a lot on this list! ... so many opportunities to be an ass ;-) I gotta catch up: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: [ Ok, before I even start replying to these messages, lemme estabish [ my position in techno: I have over 150 CDs. I have 700 (95% techno), but that doesn't mean I'm going to proclaim myself an expert. [ About 66% of these are full-blown techno/electronica music, [ including Chem Bros, Orbital (duh!), Orb, Underworld, FSoL, [ Cirrus, Apollo 440, Fluke, Juno Reactor, Coldcut, Delerium, Talvin [ Singh, Fatboy Slim, etc, etc. You've been listening to late-comers' (the media) definitions of techno and electronica. Along with industrial, these terms have really been screwed up by the mainstream. My beef is mostly with the media (MTV, radio, magazines, record labels), not with you. It may sound like I'm picking on you, but you kinda asked for it by jumping into our turf and claiming to be some kind of expert. Chemical Brothers, Juno reactor, Coldcut, and Fatboy Slim are Modern Rock/Pop music. Synths and samplers make Electronic Music, but that doesn't guarantee Electronica or Techno. Underworld is a punk band that sounds like Orbital lately. Delerium are wankers, but I like them anyway. They're not pure industrial or techno. Talvin Singh is a hybrid/crossover artist. [ Most of the rest are techno-related, like Garbage, Ozric [ Tentacles, Curve, David Bowie, Stabbing Westward, White Zombie, [ Bjork, Marlyn Manson, Natalie Imbruglia, Soul Coughing, Sneaker [ Pimps, etc, etc. You really should have placed Chemical Brothers, Underworld, Juno Reactor, Coldcut, Delerium, Talvin Singh and Fatboy Slim in your "techno-related" category, and put Garbage, et al, in a category called "other bands that Brendan-the self-proclaimed techno expert likes". [ In all intents and purposes, I am at least an intermediate expert [ in the genres of techno that I like. [ [ Now that I've covered the fact that I'm not a frigging idiot in [ the techno music industry... Oops, you have proven exactly the opposite of what you intended. You can't be taken seriously when you don't even know who Yello are, not to mention the earlier electronic music artists like Vangelis, Jean-Michel Jarre, and Kitaro, most of whom influenced nearly every techno artist. [ Bah! I admit that the Brits are the gods of...well...music. [ (Trust me...my CD collection is about 85% British.) But, the US [ still does some cool music sometimes, though. (Alternative music [ is not one of them.) Crystal Method, Cirrus, Propellorheads, and [ Lunatic Calm are good examples. Actually, the US has invented every kind of new music since classical. It's just that the artists were all underground until the UK found out and made it popular. Once the "wave" of British bands in the "new" genre make it here, a ton of crappy US bands show up trying to imitate the UK bands, not knowing that their neighbors (e.g. in Detroit) were making better music before the UK. I think the reason you don't like US techno bands as much as UK techno bands is because you are completely unaware of the original US techno artists. For an "intermediate expert", you actually have quite a bit to learn before you can earn the title of *any kind of* expert. [ No, drugs in the rave scene is better when you want to interact [ with people and do some dancing. This Chicago [ rave/concert/whatever was not one of those times. [ ... [ You only find large amounts of drug users at the small, local [ raves, where it's all about dancing and having a good time. [ ... [ My my, aren't we stereotypical? I feel kinda insulted by that, [ but I'm not going to reply in a inflamed matter anymore. I'm a [ computer web programmer (look at my sig), with extensive knowledge [ on techno and music in general. And yes, I know good stuff. Most [ of my electronica friends like bands like Crys Meth and Chem Bros, [ as well as bands like Orbital, and they are intelligent people [ who are techies and some have been (or still going) in the rave [ scene. Exactly what kind of "rave scene" is there in Kentucky? I think you read about raves and then went to a concert and thought that was a rave because a band was playing electronic instruments... FYI: You cannot have a rave on tour. Rave means exactly the opposite of tour. The definitive rave is an impromptu gathering in a place that it not intended for musical performance, decorated once for the event, and basically formatted like an invitation-only party that doesn't stop until after noon on the next day. The music is 100% DJ vinyl, and the only live instrument would be a drum machine (see: house), but that's actually pretty rare. Eventually, this became partially commercialized, with tickets and regular venues, and promoters who had a totally different mind-set than the folks who "invented" the rave. Face it, dude, the era of the rave is over. Too many laws have been passed for a real rave to happen anywhere that I am aware of. No matter how much you wish you had attended a rave, you can't go to a concert and call it a rave just because the bands are using synthesizers and samplers. Orbital made records that were played at raves, but that doesn't mean that every event where they perform is automatically a rave. [ There are two different types of techno! [ [ First, there's dancing. You can dance you anything with a beat. [ Orbital, Chem Bros, Atari Teenage Riot, Juno Reactor, happy [ hardcore, etc. You're not worried too much about the quality of [ the music that you're dancing to. It's about just dancing and [ feeling the energy of the music, dancing, and people around you. You've just described disco (anything with a beat and not much quality). I wouldn't put techno in the same category. Of course, people who like neither disco nor techno are always putting them in the same category. [ Then, there's techno you listen to. The kind that you buy and [ put in your car stereo. This is where you can talk about the [ details and qualities of good techno. (No, happy hardcore or ATR [ is not my cup of tea.) You've just described IDM (Intelligent Dance Music), but I'm getting ahead of myself by addressing a question you ask later... [ For example, Orbital at a rave: good for dancing and good for [ listening. If you go to a rave and you don't "like" the music, [ either you don't feel like dancing (in which case you are there [ for the drugs and/or people interaction or you just don't belong [ in the rave scene), or the DJ is REALLY BAD. (I'm not going to [ enter chill rooms into the equation.) "you just don't belong in the rave scene" ... I'll have to remember that one! [ I tend not to like the term "house" either, which is related to [ disco. How can you not like the term? House is prototypically composed of disco records (or Motown soul) with drum machine added. I like the term "house" because it generally distinguishes the kind of "techno" that I like the least, thus making it a *very* useful term. [ IDM? I'm kinda selective with my D&B/Jungle. Bought Roni Size's [ New Forms and didn't like it, but I enjoy my new Mocean Worker [ (Mixed Emotional Features). Bought Source Direct and it's [ currently in my [ stuff-that-I-don't-like-but-I'll-give-it-another-listen-someday [ section. There's something about "New Forms" that just isn't right. I would say that this is another hybrid/crossover style. It's far from pure D&B, especially with all the rap and other vocals. It's OK, but there are really only enough ideas for a single CD, not two. and P.S. I'm not calling it hybrid because I don't like it very much, I'm calling it hybrid because it has elements of many different styles of music besides techno. [ Hey, now. Snivilisation is a helluva lot harder to spell than [ fucking. I don't even know what the hell snivilisation means. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I think you misspelled "fucking" with an "s", what you meant to say was that you don't even know what the hell fucking means. [ Ambient is also techno. So is minimalism, acid jazz, etc. [ Orbital's prime elements are their strings, keyboards, techno [ effects, and conventional instruments which are all treble. I [ personally have my stereo turned more towards treble than bass. Lots of Ambient pre-dates Techno, so I say it can't be Techno. Sure, it's Electronic, but not Electronica. You really should get a high-end stereo that doesn't have "treble" and "bass" - then you can hear the music the way it was recorded. Don't forget the subwoofer... [ You aren't one of those wierdos that convinces people to listen [ to Yanni, are you? Yanni's first two albums kicked butt! After he got married, he went all soft, but he used to be better than Kitaro and Jarre, and almost as good as Vangelis. But he was never techno... [ I thought New Age and Ambient -is- techno. Nope. New Age is often electronic, but it can also be acoustic and quite folk-related. Ambient is nearly always electronic. If I were to define techno, I would need to invent a word for the difference between Switched on Back and what I call Techno. Switched on Back is electronic music with a beat, but it is totally lacking the sense of rhythm and style that defines techno. Problem is, people are still making electronic music, but the media calls practically all of it techno even though that's often a misnomer. Think of Techno as a sub-genre of Electronic (and Electronica is a sub-genre of Techno). [ A synth, a Korg/808 instrument, a computerized noise. Part of [ the whole techno genre is the use of new and creative sounds. Not quite, techno grew out of house music, and they were using old synths and drum machines that they could buy cheap used. In fact, the techno revolution has driven up the price of old, used musical instruments. Of course, I'll admit that techno instruments are "new" compared to classical acoustic instruments, but techno did not come about until electronic music had come of age and the musicians sold their *old* gear on the used market. [ And White/Rob Zombie's last two albums are industrial. Industrial [ = techno + metal. Thus, techno-related. [ [ Besides, I know a few metalheads that wouldn't put Rob Zombie in [ the metal genre (because of his techno influnce). Oops, you've just proven that you know as little about industrial as techno. The reason that metalheads wouldn't put Rob Zombie in the Metal genre is because of one of the prime tenets of Metal: no keyboards! Any band that uses synthesizers or samplers cannot be a Metal band (according to the metalheads of the late 1980's, I don't know if things have been watered down since then). The big thing that pisses me off is how the media calls something techno or industrial just because it has a sampler in it. Rock plus sampled beats is NOT techno or electronica, it's merely modern rock. Metal plus sampled sounds is NOT industrial, it's just Post "Guitar-only" Metal, or post-modern metal. [ Look...I use expert in the loosest form of the word. I know there [ are plenty of other people that know a helluva lot more than me. [ But, I don't appreciate the holier-than-thou attitude I get from [ most of this group of people. Hmm, I guess you should have chosen a word other than "expert" I should probably repeat myself by stating again that I am not an expert on techno or house or industrial or ... Brian Willoughby Software Design: NEXTSTEP, OpenStep, Rhapsody, Mac OS X Sound Consulting Apple ICE (Independent Consulting Engineer) NeXTmail welcome # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AJ Brustein Subject: Re: (orbital) couldn't resist being an ass, part 33 1/3 Date: 13 Jul 1999 00:03:54 +0900 Wow. This list is fun again. Brendan has been quiet for a couple of days since Iguess he can onl check his email at work. So, here's hoping he wastes a ton of time and responds to everyone's emails one by one and doesn't go reading all the emails before he starts responding. Otherwise he may get scared and run away. I wonder why his friend, lmperez@students.uiuc.edu, isn't saying anything either. Now buddy, do you understnd what I said? I have never seen so many people attak just one person like this before on the list, but then I have no seen someone like Brendan before.. Oh well. Another totally unrelated topic : anyone here like UNKLE? I have their special Jap release (The casing is toally dif and it has extra tracks) of PSYNCE FICTION, and I love it. Anyone know anything about these guys? Later. AJ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mehul Parekh I Subject: (orbital) things Date: 11 Jul 1999 08:12:37 -0700 (PDT) Hey has everyone been receiving two copies of every e-mail in the last 2 days? Hey has everyone been receiving two copies of every e-mail in the last 2 days? Sorry, I am really trying to humor myself here. I have a few questions for all of you. 1) Paul Van Dyk's euro version of 45 RPM has a second disc, what's on it? i cant find a listing anywhereee. 2) Brandon Invergo...I need your e-mail address. I cant remember why off the top of my head right now, but I need it. So, just send something. I think you have something I want. I think that's it. Thanks and have a wonderful day. === The Mehul mpp001@rocketmail.com mpp001@drake.edu _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: Re: (orbital) Rebuttal about Crys Meth, breakbeat, etc. (very long) Date: 11 Jul 1999 11:51:57 -0400 Reece H wrote: > > >I don't think you can find better examples of trip hop than Massive > >Attack and Trickey. I've heard it said that they're the only two acts > >in the genre ;) > > wasn't trip-hop defined by dj shadow's influx? I've always thought that trip-hop was pretty much those guys and Portishead. Forgot them in the initial list, don't know how. DJ Shadow could be considered trip-hop as well I guess, but it's definately a unique form, sampled as opposed to the sung variety. -- If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://i.am/DataSquid # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kel Subject: (orbital) Philly show meetup Date: 11 Jul 1999 11:48:22 -0400 I don't know about anyone else, but I'll be at the Philly show tonight, and I'll probably be there an hour or so early to search for the brothers, too (a la Mehul). If any of you listers will be there too, it'd be nice to meet you. I'll be in a Digger shirt (red w/'New Age Travelers...') and cargos, and wielding some yellow glowsticks. I'm not one for the crush, so I'll likely be off to the side under the bar balcony, near the chill-out boxes. Anyone who spots me come say hi ;) (sorry to the non-Philadelphia list people to whom this means nothing... I'm so unbelievably pumped today I had to write something to let off energy... I'll go back to jumping around the house now) KEL PS: Also got the Nothing Left vinyl yesterday... cheers to another sweet single! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: Re: (orbital) Loopz Mailing List Date: 11 Jul 1999 11:58:42 -0400 "Price, Steve A" wrote: > Channel #ORBITAL on the UNDERNET - the place to talk to other Orbital fans > about Orbital, music and life in general is being relaunched - Follow the > link on the first page to find out how to access the room. BTW...there will > be a Paul Hartnoll chat hopefully after the tour...so its worth learning how > to connect to this channel. Or come to #orbital on EFFNET and talk to me. I think we all know where you're gonna go now ;) -- If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://i.am/DataSquid # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: Re: (orbital) couldn't resist being an ass, part 33 1/3 Date: 11 Jul 1999 12:02:52 -0400 Brian Willoughby wrote: > There's something about "New Forms" that just isn't right. I would say that > this is another hybrid/crossover style. It's far from pure D&B, especially > with all the rap and other vocals. It's OK, but there are really only enough > ideas for a single CD, not two. and P.S. I'm not calling it hybrid because I > don't like it very much, I'm calling it hybrid because it has elements of many > different styles of music besides techno. Dang it, I never could find the 2CD of this.... Maybe I'm better off.... -- If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://i.am/DataSquid # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: Re: (orbital) couldn't resist being an ass, part 33 1/3 Date: 11 Jul 1999 12:14:18 -0400 AJ Brustein wrote: > Another totally unrelated topic : anyone here like UNKLE? I have their > special Jap release (The casing is toally dif and it has extra tracks) of > PSYNCE FICTION, and I love it. Anyone know anything about these guys? Later. > AJ I have the Canadian release, and I love it. DJ Shadow and James Lavelle did this as a project together, and I remember hearing that it took over 3 years to complete because of all the artists they had to get into the studio. -- If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://i.am/DataSquid # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) worcester/boston set list? Date: 11 Jul 1999 09:19:33 PDT Ok here is is: (not sure if it's in order) Way Out Spare Parts Express Impact Know Where to Run Halcyon I don't know you people Nothing Left The Box Style Bagpipe Style encore: Satan, Dr. Who(!), Chime _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) couldn't resist being an ass, part 33 1/3 Date: 11 Jul 1999 09:37:27 PDT Yeah, I know about UNKLE. I'm a big DJ Shadow fan, well sort of, so I ran right out and got it. Um, It's not shadow's best, but it's ok. The store (newbury comics) gave me a bunch of UNKLE stickers and a poster. Yeah, shadow's cool. Later Rob Schultz _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Palisano Subject: (orbital) Orbital In New York Date: 11 Jul 1999 13:28:09 -0400 hey everyone Since no one else has actually said anything about the NY show, I guess I'll do you all a quick write-up. The show was friday and its now sunday, so yes it was an intense night. I'll skip the opening acts cause they weren't that good. If you've never been to Hammerstein Ballroom, it's a really nice venue, one of my favorite places to see groups, not small, not large, just right. The crowd was absolutely fucking BONKERS tonight, people were dancing and moshing and jumping around like crazy - it was awesome, lots of cool orbital hedz in this concert - i was near the front of the stage 3 or four rows back and I guess near the other die hards, cause everyone around me seemed to know every note of every song - people actually were singing along to way out - this was too cool! This was an awesome experience and a nice contrast from when I saw them at Lollapalooza where most of the people were scratching their heads and saying "duh, this isn't korn, is it?" Loved the visuals these were all very cool. The set went off nearly flawlessly - the only problem I noticed is that Phil ran off the stage during Halcyon. This caused some break-up speculation in the crowd, which ended when he returned to the stage a minute later. Why he left is a mystery but he returned and resumed happily dancing around. Phil was more animated than Paul throughout the show though they seemed to be in a really good mood. Paul said he was really happy tro be back in New York, and the crowd's ecstatic response to EVERY SINGLE NOTE was probably the reason. The whole show was amazing and intense and incredible - Everything was fabulous and Orbital's music was totally amazing - this was the best concert I've been to, making the 1st time I saw them pale in comparison. SET LIST (not in order-approximate) Clockwork Orange Theme/Way Out/Spare Parts Express/The Box/Impact Reversed/Nowhere to Run/I Don't Know you people/Style/Satan/Halcyon/Nothing Left/Dr. Who/Chime Those who say the don't change their songs live have never seen them live as the box was mega dancey, they used a couple different samples on I don't know you people, Style was the regular and bigpipe versions mixed, Satan had a little bit of Metalicca's guitars in it and they did impact backwards. Their were a few rough edges in some parts, Impact was a bit rocky, but the music was 100% brilliant and transecendent despite the glitches. The highlight for me was finally getting to hear Dr. Who. which is awesome, they should really release this as a single. The only let down was the merchandise, which were the same t-shirts as the last tour except there was a "style" logo tanktop for girls and some 'community service' shirts which i wouldn't buy cause two bands I hate are on them with Orbital. They were also selling cheap posters. Blah. On the bright side, on my way to the show, I picked up 2 import singles at the Virgin MegaStore with cute duckies walking around on green fields with an "O" over them :) so those were better souveiners anyway. I didn't get a chance to meet them this time, but I was tired anyway. Maybe next time. Not that any of this matters, cause when Orbital was onstage it was all worth it. Much better than even my first time, which means it was stunning music all the way and an amazing crowd who were into the music. -- MP # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Subject: (orbital) The Saint Date: 11 Jul 1999 17:23:31 +0100 The new UK Muller Rice advert uses 'The Saint' as backgroud music ... interesting... Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Orbital in Lovely Worcester Date: 11 Jul 1999 12:06:31 PDT Ok, I've had time to sleep and think about what I saw. First though, I will talk about what happened first. I did go to the concert with my family. Yes, this sounds strange, but my parents do enjoy Orbital immensely. We listen to them at dinner parties and everything. Ok, so we arrived in Worcester around 7:45 and we parked in this garage near the mall, which is about 3 blocks away. We didn't exactly know where to go(I basically did), so we asked this guy on the street who had a soccer shirt on. He said (in an english accent) "it is about 45 degrees that way, I've been there all day, it's a very sweaty theatre." I was like "hmm, is this guy with orbital, he has an accent." So my father asks, "Which band are you with?" The guy says crystal method, and I tried my hardest to not look disappointed. Ok, so we walk a couple blocks, and he waves to this guy with sandals, green cargos, and a purple shirt walking away from the place. I realize, "wow, that's Paul Hartnoll!!" He was walking all alone, and nobody was close to him. I though, "should I go talk to him?" but he looked to be in a hurry, and I didn't really want to be an asshole. Ok, so we get to the venue, and I'm thinking again, "should I just wait outside around the corner until he gets back?" I decided not to, because that would be like stalking him. i don't know, I figured that if I got into the place, I could then look around and find some way to meet the brothers, but it didn't happen. I'm pretty pissed off because there was no readmittance. i could have met them. I suck. I understand fully if anyone wants to beat my ass now. Ok, so, now for the show. LoFi Allstars. They weren't that bad. The bass player just sorta made faces at the crowd, and played about 3 notes. The guy running the DAT and a keyboard thing was pretty cool. They had some good beats, they weren't terrible. I don't know what everyone is saying about them being rowdy, because they seemed pretty tame to me. I could actually stand them. I know that I will piss someone off with this, but a couple songs sounded kinda Underworld-ish. Crystal Method. You know, I had an open mind about these guys before I went in. I thought, they will be ok. I was wrong. They completely sucked ass. First of all, they had the worst light show. They had these white lights that they shined in the crowds faces, and it blinded you for a long time. I would never do that if I were an entertainer. That's so rude. Next, I don't even like their style. They just sit there and don't even move. Especially the fat one. He was sweating like a pig, but he wasn't even moving. The music was all playback, they didn't actually play anything. It was like they chopped up the Cd and spit it back out at us, and it was worse the second time. Third, how many times can you really play that same electronic grinding noise? It was the equivalent of feedback from a guitar. I felt like I was at an electronic hardcore show. Finally, and this is the best(proving my playback theory), the unfat guy thought he was a rocker and he took his keyboard of the stand and played it on the floor. oooooohhhh. You're such a badass. Then, he looked like he might slam it or something, but he totally pansied out. Then, it got unplugged, and a couple roadies went over to plug in a new one. But they gave up and decided not to. In other words, he was playing an unplugged keyboard!!! That's the equivalent of your microphone playing and you just throw it down and sing into the air! What a bunch of shit. They were aweful-ass american techno shit. I'm embarrassed to call myself American after their poor performance. The roadie guy from the street said the English think their badasses for techno, and that Crystal method are not american techno. That guy didn't have a clue. He did say orbital was the best though! Orbital. Wow. They open up with the theme from Clockwork Orange. A very nice little intro. Then, they come out with those cool little headlamps. Those things rule. What a unique thing to use. I mean, jack Dangers from Meat Beat Manifesto holds a flashlight in his mouth the whole time, and he should be taking notes about Orbital. They open up with Way Out. Too much bass. I couldn't hear the trumpet that well, but later the sound levelled off and sounded great. Spare Parts Express, my personal favorite from the new album, sounded great. I loved the way they played the sample of the woman more than once, and eerie organ was great too. It sounded a lot different than the Cd. Next, Impact. Sounded wonderful. It was classic. Not much to say, except that it sounded crisp, and the beats were on. Phil was definetly in a great mood. He couldn't stop putting his arms in the air. Ok, I Don't Know You Poeple. Wow, I really really liked this song live. It really impressed me. They put in new beats, and it just sounded lots more complex than the Cd version. great song. Halcyon was next. When they played it, the entire crowd went nuts. It was obviously the crowd favorite. The Opus iii sample sounded different though. It sounded kind scary and beautiful at the same time. I really liked this song, and the brothers knew that it would bring the applause it did. They were completely happy during this.The Box. yes, The box. It was as good as ever. It sounded kinda dirty at first, but it took shape and showed why it's one of their most popular songs. Oops, I forgot Nowhere to Run. It sounded a lot different as well. I liked it better live. The little drum-break sample was better live, and they added in some Conga drum beats too, to my enjoyment. Nothing Left Part II was ok. I think I like the Cd version better, there's more buildup. I dunno, it seemed too short live or something. Style was on! The drum beats sounded so different. The crowd didn't know what to do. It was much faster too. I liked it of course. It led into the samples of Bagpipe Style. Then, they left the stage for a little while, and they came back and played Satan. Wow, my mom loves this song. The visuals were kickin' as well. They really rocked the Palladium with this one. I think they gave me subliminal messages with the visuals that told me to get as many mp3s of their live shows as possible. Ok, then was Dr. Who. What a great wonderful track. They MUST release this one. It has such an awesome texture and feel to it. Before they played it, Phil says "try to guess this next one.." I, of course, knew exactly what it would be. The crowd didn't have a clue. Especially the ones that left after they played Bagpipe Style. Dumb bastards. Then, they ended with Chime. Was that a damn hardcore remix of chime? It was like a 20 minute song. It was so fast, and the beats were wonderful. I have to get this for my collection. Ok, so, they ended, and one of them goes "thank you, you're lovely!" and that was it. Another 3 or 4 years until orbital I guess. I'll just have to survive in other ways. By the way, the theatre was so old. Someone was walking in a passageway on the top, and they must've stepped in the wrong place, because their foot went right through the ceiling, and some debris fell on the crowd. Also, what the hell is the deal with the T shirts!!!!! I got a green space boys one, but I thought they had new ones! I wanted one of the O ones. Can anyone send me a URL for a place where I can get one of these? Or send me a flyer? I had my heart set on the new ones! Ok, thanks for reading. Rob Schultz _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike George" Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital in Lovely Worcester Date: 11 Jul 1999 16:00:00 -0700 > LoFi Allstars. They weren't that bad. Did'nt get to see these guys, we were still lining up to get in even though we had pre-ordered tickets! > > Crystal Method. You know, I had an open mind about these guys before I went I've seen these guys before and there was'nt really anything new except maybe 2 tracks. Have to agree the blinding lights were shite. > Orbital. Wow. Great show, to short, either that or it just flew by! Mike G P.S Rob, we'll meet next time mate, I did meet a chap from Tottenham but that was it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Subject: (orbital) oy vay is this orbital-related! Date: 11 Jul 1999 16:40:52 -0600 (MDT) > You really should have placed Chemical Brothers, Underworld, Juno Reactor, > Coldcut, Delerium, Talvin Singh and Fatboy Slim in your "techno-related" > category, and put Garbage, et al, in a category called "other bands that okay, this is exactly the type of music-labelling that's just ridiculous. since when are underworld and juno reactor not techno? because they are popular? i wouldn't exactly call juno reactor popular, but hey, that's just me i guess. or maybe underworld isn't "pure" techno because it (sometimes) has vocals? that's just foolish. underworld, like orbital and juno reactor (isn't that hard trance? and isn't trance techno?) and aphex twin, etc, etc, are all descendent from kraftwerk-era electronic music, acid house and detroit, thus making them techno. just how picky are you getting here? talvin singh has ethnic (what is he, indian?) influences, therefore he is merely techno-related? chemical bros has hiphop influences, therefore they are merely techno-related? please. the term "techno" - and no, it's not the same as the media-created "electronica" - has broadened itself to cover a vast range of electronic music, not just detroit techno. that's not my decision, that's just the way it is, cuz that's how the vast majority of the public sees it. if you mean detroit techno, say detroit techno. if you mean new york house, say it. those are definable styles with their own histories/cultures/etc. "techno" is not however, and can therefore mean a very wide array of things. what i'm saying is, that was a very nitpicky argument for you to be making. i do agree with you that a drum machine and synthesizer, techno do not make. garbage, sneaker pimps, etc are all modern pop/rock. or post-modern rock or whatever you wanna call it. but not techno, cuz they have roots closer to 90's alternative (a meaningless term, of course), which goes back to 80's rock and punk. they just realized along with the rest of the world that sometimes you can do more with a computer than a guitar. but i'm no expert either, so i could be full of shit! um, okay, now for the orbital-related part. i just bought the australian 2CD of brown/peel sessions. this is the first time i've heard the non-diversions impact(eurotunnel)/walknow/semi-detached/attached. the latter two are quite different from the versions i have - mixed together quite nicely and just different enough to make them interesting. if you've got some money to burn, and can find it, and are somewhat of a completist, you might want to pick this up. also picked up one of the nothing left singles - not sure which version. i'm listening to it now, so here's my review: "much ado about nothing left" - i like this. it's different and kinda fun. very electro-sounding, if that means anything to anyone. "nothing left out" - a little more like the original version than "much ado..." i like this too. the vocals are cleaner and there are some nice builds, like right at this very moment... the whole "woo-hoo-oo, hoo-oo, hoo-oo" thing. you know what i mean. good shtuff. "tsunami one remix" - it's interesting the various parts that have been singled out to feature in the remixes. this one has some great synth stuff which is loosely based on one of the basslines in the original. it's a tad more breakbeat, but not really. ooh, now the melody just came in. that's nice. i don't know who the hell tsunami one are, but they've done a reasonably good job with this one. it's no lush underworld mix, but then again, what is? question: is the other one worth getting? the one with the schizoid man remix? how does it compare? that's it for now. take it easy... nub # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Subject: (orbital) stoopid Date: 11 Jul 1999 16:53:08 -0600 (MDT) well, i feel dumb. we can all listen to all the "nothing left" tracks on the loopz site. i never should have doubted you or your site steve! oh well. nub # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Funkenstein" Subject: Re: (orbital) couldn't resist being an ass, part 33 1/3 Date: 11 Jul 1999 21:27:25 -0400 >You really should get a high-end stereo that doesn't have "treble" and "bass" >- then you can hear the music the way it was recorded. Don't forget the >subwoofer... What?!?!?!? A "high end stereo that doesn't have bass or treble"? What the hell are you talking about? Adjusting the sound is absoloutly INDISPENSIBLE to good sound. People spend thousands on recievers/preamps with lots of adjustments, equalizers, etc to allow you to reduce noise, control crossovers, etc. You can't say that not having controls will "allow you to hear the music as it was recorded"...that's ridiculous! The quality of the CD player, the internal components of the CD player, the cables you use, the internal wiring of the reciever/preamp, the speaker wire you use, the length of the speaker wire you use, the internal wiring of the speaker, the box the speakers use, the type of woofers and tweeters used, the size of the room, the materials used to contruct the room, etc all effect the sound. If you don't believe me try putting shitty run-of-the mill RCA cables between your CD player and reciever, then put a set of $30 monster cables in. You'll see a HUGE, audible difference overall, but most notably in the bass response and how crisp the "high high's" are (providing of course that your equipment is at least half way decent). With all those things changing the sound, you are definitely not going to "hear the music the way it was recorded". The best you can do is adjust the output to your setup so that you get a good balance of bass, mid and high. Now, admittedly, people don't always do a very good job of making those adjustments, but to say that high end stereos don't allow you any control over bass and treble is just plain incorrect. The better the reciever/preamp, and amp the more control you should have. In fact in some cases (studio monitors in particular) the speakers even have adjustments on them to allow you to balance out the tweeters, the mids and the woofer. You need to be able to fine tune the sound for the conditions and even your preferences. BTW you say "Don't forget the subwoofer..." Exactly what "high end" sub have you EVER seen that doesn't have controls on it? The answer is none because it would be stupid to assume that one sub setting would be appropriate for all conditions (wood vs. concrete floor etc). Do you think that the systems the use at concerts and raves have no control over the sound? Obviously they do (those huge boards aren't just for looks)...because different conditions and even different songs require different settings. You slammed Bendon pretty hard for his opinions...I suggest you look into "high end stereo" a little more before coming off so high and mighty. If you think that high end equipment doesn't allow you control over your sound, I suggest you trade in your $50 Aiwa special from sears and put a few grand into some decent equipment. ------------ dco2393@rit.edu ---------------- Dr. Funkenstein - http://www.rit.edu/~dco2393 Rap ain't about bustin' caps and fuckin' bitches It's about fluency with rhymin' ingenuity Del tha Funkee Homosapien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Digger Subject: Re: (orbital) couldn't resist being an ass, part 33 1/3 Date: 11 Jul 1999 21:18:38 -0500 Can I ask a quick question? I've been away in Boston for 8 days now. I come home to find 235 mails in my box. Half of them are stupid shit! Slamming people for their opinions, etc. My question... Is that what this list was really created for? I don't think so! This list was created to bring Orbital fans all over the world together to discuss "Orbital..The World's Best Techno Band" ~urb What I've been reading is just senseless garble. I don't usually step into things like this...but this is just rediculas! Is anyone else with me on this? I know that there is a new member or two of the list that a good majority of the "norms" hate...but all I have to say to that is...DEAL WITH IT. If they are giving you that much grief contact the list admin (ahem lazlo). From what I hear he isn't that big a help...but I've never had to deal with him personally. And if you didn't join the list to talk Orbital then get the hell out. Don't join just to give people a headache. I'm not accusing anyone with this...just trying to put a stop to the nonsense. Thanks for listening to me ramble. :-) At 09:27 PM 7/11/99 -0400, you wrote: >>You really should get a high-end stereo that doesn't have "treble" and >"bass" >>- then you can hear the music the way it was recorded. Don't forget the >>subwoofer... > >What?!?!?!? A "high end stereo that doesn't have bass or treble"? What >the hell are you talking about? Adjusting the sound is absoloutly >You slammed Bendon pretty hard for his opinions...I suggest you look into >"high end stereo" a little more before coming off so high and mighty. If >you think that high end equipment doesn't allow you control over your >sound, I suggest you trade in your $50 Aiwa special from sears and put a >few grand into some decent equipment. Thanks, Digger Digger@Jorsm.Com "And Now I'm Aching For You..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) Replies to stuph... Date: 11 Jul 1999 23:11:39 -0400 Juno Jackson wrote: > > Hey all !!! > > Got back in today; I'm tired as hell !!! > > The Chemical Bros. rocked !!!! One problem though. > > THE DJ'S !!!!! Whoa! Slow down here! Chemical Brothers were where?! I thought they were just going to do that Woodstock thing. Brian Willoughby wrote: > > Hello, > > I've been working my ass off for the past couple of days - and it seems like > I missed a lot on this list! ... so many opportunities to be an ass ;-) I > gotta catch up: > > Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: ...several billion years ago! What the hell is people's problem with reply to week-old messages?! This argument is already done and gone with. Quit trying to spark it up again! I've already apologized, and no, I'm not an expert on techno. Shut up! Jesus Christ... Mehul Parekh I wrote: > > Hey has everyone been receiving two copies of every e-mail in the last 2 > days? > Hey has everyone been receiving two copies of every e-mail in the last 2 > days? Yep yep. What's up with that? > 2) Brandon Invergo...I need your e-mail address. I cant remember why > off the top of my head right now, but I need it. So, just send > something. I think you have something I want. It's "Brandon Invergo " Dan Colquhoun wrote: > > I've always thought that trip-hop was pretty much those guys and > Portishead. Forgot them in the initial list, don't know how. DJ Shadow > could be considered trip-hop as well I guess, but it's definately a > unique form, sampled as opposed to the sung variety. I have heard of Sneaker Pimps being trip-hop, but don't hold me to that. http://kumo.swcp.com/synth/techno.html had something about it, but I doubt a lot of the genre comparisions are accurate. Dan Colquhoun wrote: > > Brian Willoughby wrote: > > > There's something about "New Forms" that just isn't right. I would say > > that this is another hybrid/crossover style. It's far from pure D&B, > > especially with all the rap and other vocals. It's OK, but there are > > really only enough ideas for a single CD, not two. and P.S. I'm not > > calling it hybrid because I don't like it very much, I'm calling it hybrid > > because it has elements of many different styles of music besides techno. > > Dang it, I never could find the 2CD of this.... Maybe I'm better off.... Probably. I have the 2 CD set and it's just more of the same. I could never get into it either. Just not enough complexity and ideas. Unforunately, it was my first D&B/Jungle CD and I shrugged off the whole genre for a while. Robert Schultz wrote: > > Ok here is is: (not sure if it's in order) > > Way Out > Spare Parts Express > Impact > Know Where to Run > Halcyon > I don't know you people > Nothing Left > The Box > Style > Bagpipe Style > > encore: Satan, Dr. Who(!), Chime Somebody said that New Style was mixed after Bigpipe Style. (BTW, it is "Bigpipe". I got that confused for a while, too.) Of course, the Halcyon is the Bon Jovi/Carlie (sp!) mix. BTW, wasn't Lush played (in reverse order...Lush 3-2 and then Lush 3-1) somewhere in the middle? Steve wrote: > > The new UK Muller Rice advert uses 'The Saint' as backgroud music ... > interesting... Heh...our traffic report guy on WLRS uses that for the b/g music. Other TV adverts with techno: Clairol (sp?) hair ad - Air's La Femme D'Argent VW Bug ads - Fluke's Absurb (UFO) and The Orb's Fluffy Little Clouds (colors) Kodak commericial - What music is that? Damn...that was shorter than I thought. Anybody think of anything else? I'm not going to include the movies cuz those have soundtracks to them. Robert Schultz wrote: > > Yeah, I know about UNKLE. I'm a big DJ Shadow fan, well sort of, so I ran > right out and got it. Um, It's not shadow's best, but it's ok. The store > (newbury comics) gave me a bunch of UNKLE stickers and a poster. Yeah, > shadow's cool. Later Yeah, same impression here. Looks like a good jump point for those techno newbies. "Hey, cool...it's got Metallica's bass player!", etc., etc. > Crystal Method. You know, I had an open mind about these guys before I went > in. I thought, they will be ok. I was wrong. They completely sucked ass. > First of all, they had the worst light show. They had these white lights > that they shined in the crowds faces, and it blinded you for a long time. I > blah blah blah... Yeah, yeah...yet another Crys Meth basher. Please speak up if I'm not the only one that enjoyed Crys Meth's preformance. "Dr. Funkenstein" wrote: > > What?!?!?!? A "high end stereo that doesn't have bass or treble"? What > the hell are you talking about? Adjusting the sound is absoloutly > INDISPENSIBLE to good sound. People spend thousands on recievers/preamps > with lots of adjustments, equalizers, etc to allow you to reduce noise, > control crossovers, etc. You can't say that not having controls will > "allow you to hear the music as it was recorded"...that's ridiculous! Yeah, I have to definately argee here. It's a shame that receivers don't come with adjustable controls anymore. Mine has presets, which does come in handy because I can switch between Studio mode (for techno music) and Sim Surround ( for vocal stuph). However, it does have treble and bass control. My treble is high and my bass is just below normal. (Treble is kewl...) Digger wrote: > > Can I ask a quick question? I've been away in Boston for 8 days now. I > come home to find 235 mails in my box. Half of them are stupid shit! > Slamming people for their opinions, etc. Yeah yeah. My bad. I'm sorry. BTW, I think 100 mails is messages just like yours, asking everybody "Can't we all get along?". Now everybody shut up and please quit bashing me over and over. AJ Brustein wrote: > > Wow. This list is fun again. Brendan has been quiet for a couple of days > since. I guess he can only check his email at work. So, here's hoping he > wastes a ton of time and responds to everyone's emails one by one and doesn't > go reading all the emails before he starts responding. Otherwise he may get > scared and run away. I wonder why his friend, lmperez@students.uiuc.edu, > isn't saying anything either. Now buddy, do you understnd what I said? I have > never seen so many people attak just one person like this before on the list, > but then I have no seen someone like Brendan before.. Oh well. Quit being a damn asshole. One, I had a week off from work and had plenty of time on my hands. I wanted to spend a few days trying to correct the damage I done. Two, long messages are always better than short one sentence replies that say "you suck". Three, can we all quit acting like I insulted your mother? You sound like I shot you in the leg or something. I hate Moby and I like Chem Bros. I'm not going to go into any more detail cuz otherwise it turns into a heated argument that serves no purpose. And no, not everybody on this list hates me. So no, you can't try to universally bash me like you're among a group of friends who all argee with everything you say. You sound like some guy trying to tell a racist joke before realizing that some people in the group don't like racist jokes. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Juno, Brendan, and an Interesting Observation. Date: 11 Jul 1999 22:18:11 -0500 Note: Ok, get out your green CD and put on The Moebius. Do it! This post is a lot neater if you do. Turn the volume up a bit, too. Juno: Happy Birthday! Oh, and I agree with what you said about Brendan. (To Brendan from the Orbital list : Despite everything that has been said, and the backlash that has resulted from your joining in and posting, I want to extend my hand of friendship to you.) We love ya! I don't disagree with anything because I immediately delete anything with a thread name that I'm not interested in anyway = D!! (Which is about 32 messages per day now). Don't get self-conscious, it's just a mailing list. All we do is obsess about Orbital (and other music) to the point of idolatry and mental disorders. We have no basis in the real world, as you will soon realize = ). It's hard to be the new guy because your views have not been distorted and moulded yet. You'll feel right at home when your technical prowess for music knowledge and appropriate Orbital obsession reach an equilibrium. Then you'll turn into one of the more respected members of the group, because you won't talk about music in layman's terms; you have a good idea of what you're talking about. The heirarchy will continue to evolve as you become more obsessed with Orbital (Gatsby syndrome), and then everything pretty much starts to repeat itself (a twist in the fabric of space where time becomes a loop). Posts will contain the same arguments (maybe about a different group, or by a different person), and the commotion will cause deja vu, etc. Sometimes the arguments change, or they stop or start. There are different variations happening at the same times. New people join, old ones leave; lurkers surface, and it all adds to the mix. More new people come in, changing the atmosphere. Sometimes it's very intricate, other times it's slow. Half of the time it appeals to some people, the other half it appeals to the other people. In other words, this group is just a big Orbital song. That's why we're all here. Weird, huh? -Marc "I went to sleep at 7am today" Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sean Granger Subject: Re: (orbital) Replies to stuph... Date: 11 Jul 1999 22:45:27 -0500 Wow! That was actually some good reading. :) I just got back from Northern/NORTHERN! Wisconsin, and it was a "pleasant" surprise among other in my mailbox. it's all about the beat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gargin, Philip (Frankfurt)"