From: Reece Subject: Re: (orbital) love that cheesy trance Date: 01 Nov 1999 16:26:48 +0000 >> np: ATB - "9pm 'til I come"... twang twang twang... mmm... cheesey... ;) > >love that track! cheesey, yes, but so damn melodic. i assume from the seb >fontaine prototype comp? surely you jest? please tell me you do. or tell me that at the same moment your realised you liked that track, you gave up on orbital. please. that track has got the same whineyness factor as a million crying babies half-impaled on spikes. it sucks the most cheesey, common bits of every trance song and produces a compilation. excuse my rant, but i've had it to here (reece signals a point several kilometers above his head) with people calling a great "trance" song. and if you want to flame me, aim replies to ihatefaketrance@hotmail.com reece # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "kulsoom a" Subject: (orbital) anyone in Atlanta? Date: 01 Nov 1999 09:13:18 PST Hi all I want to know if anyone is in Atlanta and has a minidisc recorder. I wanna borrow it for tonight and will pay for the rental. thanks ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GlaucoBacchi Subject: (orbital) clubbing (off topic) Date: 01 Nov 1999 20:12:39 +0000 is there a mailing list or newsgroup for people to swap comments on niteclubs in the u.k.?? -- Glauco Bacchi (GlaucoBacchi@bigfoot.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) No :) Date: 01 Nov 1999 23:36:03 -0000 >Hey Steve, do you know if the bros. have any video footage from the D.S. >Buliding Contractors period (live performances, goofing around in the >studio, etc.) ? NO - none at all basically Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk (new site - days away) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Pure luck - WARP nights here i come Date: 01 Nov 1999 23:43:20 -0000 Anyone going to the Thursday (Plaid, Plone, Mark Bell) and Friday (Autechre, Boards of Canada, AFX) WARP nights?????? I was lucky enough to find some tickets this week...very lucky indeed :))))) Let me know...webmaster@loopz.co.uk Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno ." Subject: (orbital) Okay, So I Was Wrong :-) (Let The Flames Begin) Date: 02 Nov 1999 00:17:21 GMT Well, after months of talking shit on all of you guys, I have finally made the conversion. So, let me say it for all of you loud and clear : I LIKE AUTECHRE NOW !!!!!!!!! Yes, it's true. I never knew why you guys liked them so much. I always thought that they were really annoying drum and bass mixed in with some noise (see : "Photek"). And although all of their songs aren't perfect, I must say that after checking out Marc's FTP and listening to AMBER, I was quite impressed ! I really loved VLETMX21 as well; the melody was really heartfelt; it was so dreamy and etheral. And after having a really shitty day today, it was the perfect track that I needed to cheer myself up (thanks Rob !!!! :-) . I also couldn't get enough of NINE and SLIP. I LOVE THOSE MOOGS !!!!!! It reminded me a bit of Aphex Twin and "Selected Ambient Works Volume 2". Now, I know what you're all saying : "He hasn't heard it all yet; he will drop out as soon as he checks out everything else." Maybe. But I like what I hear so far. So let me say right now that I am VERY SORRY for being such a dick for so long. And yes, I would like to hear Autechre inside a cathedral very much. Even though Ae will never be a replacement for religion, I think that it makes a great compliment for it. NoiseWerker (leaving on Nov. 17) - "For God So Loved The World He ICQ # 42651237 Created The Roland TB-303" Bless You All. P.S. Don't be offended by that Photek comment. I love DNB VERY much ! :-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: Re: (orbital) Okay, So I Was Wrong :-) (Let The Flames Begin) Date: 01 Nov 1999 20:44:32 -0500 Yes, thanks for the plug for my ftp, I must say that it's getting raped even as I type. I definitely recommend Incunabula for you, my friend. Especially every single song on there. Each one I hear becomes my new favourite Autechre track. I especially like Eggshell and Windwind and Kalpol Intro and everything dammit! Wow, that's a cool album. -Marc Sawaya > I must say that after checking out Marc's FTP and listening to AMBER, I was > quite impressed ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Style and Nothing Left EPs Date: 01 Nov 1999 23:34:21 -0500 Hey, I was wondering where I could get ahold of full versions of these eps (mp3 format), like if anyone has an ftp site set up or knows of one. You can reply privately. Thanks! -Marc Sawaya PS- Rob, I know you offered already, but you give me so much cool stuff anyway. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Okay, So I Was Wrong :-) (Let The Flames Begin) Date: 02 Nov 1999 14:01:19 +0000 Noisewerker wrote: > Well, after months of talking shit on all of you guys, I have finally made > the conversion. So, let me say it for all of you loud and clear : > > I LIKE AUTECHRE NOW !!!!!!!!! > HELP! IT'S THE INEVITABLE RETURN OF THE AE THREAD! >:-) Guys... so finally the last person to agree that ae rocks... Great! Can we quit ae now once and for all? I mean - i like them, too, but did i subscribe to the Orbital list or what? I don't mind off-topic but i grew to hate the ae thread for popping back up every month or so... I've posted quite some mails i'd REALLY have expected some reaction to, about dozens of orbital related tidbits, gimmicks and experiences... hardly ANYONE replied... But once someone mentions ae, lotsa replies there... That makes me quite a bit disappointed as some of these things really meant something to me and i wouldn't have posted it unless i wanted to know about other people's opinions on that... I post scarcely, only if i have something important to tell usually, so i thought ppl would honor that by REPLYING... Seems i was wrong.. Depressed, DeeKay P.S.: yeah, Marc, thanks for the site! 8) I'm just having a ball with the PvD dir! ;-D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Blackshaw Subject: Re: (orbital) Okay, So I Was Wrong :-) (Let The Flames Begin) Date: 02 Nov 1999 14:25:16 +0000 (GMT) I'm bored of these autechre posts. Let's have a flame war instead. Brendan... -~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~- | Ed Blackshaw, School of Chemistry | ( Organic Section ) ) University of Bristol ( ( Tel. (internal) ext. 4252 ) ) Ed.Blackshaw@bristol.ac.uk ( ( ) ) "We're not dropping out here, we're infiltrating ( ( and taking over." ) ) ( | http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/~cheab | -~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian Mahuron" Subject: RE: (orbital) Damn Guys!... 8) Date: 02 Nov 1999 08:11:21 -0800 >> I had NO clue just HOW much better headphones sound... I just had Headphones are the best.. better yet, headphones & a sub tuned really low. 30-Mhz so you still *feel* the bass... you could go a bit higher but you would have to use a lowpass filter w/ your headphones and that sucks. I think a pair of Sennheiser HD 600s are well worth the money... a dedicated headphone amp is good too if you can afford. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ender Wright" Subject: Re: (orbital) Okay, So I Was Wrong :-) (Let The Flames Begin) Date: 02 Nov 1999 12:37:12 EST Yeah I know everyone's tired of it, but still... I bought a AE single the other day, I like it. Just thought I'd share, back to Orbital... -Ender "teenage angst has paid off well" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick McGinn" Subject: Re: (orbital) Style and Nothing Left EPs Date: 02 Nov 1999 13:39:21 -0500 > Hey, I was wondering where I could get ahold of full versions of these > eps (mp3 format), like if anyone has an ftp site set up or knows of > one. You can reply privately. Thanks! Just so everyone knows: Making/distributing/playing MP3s of copyrighted material is quite illegal. There is never a situation where it is legal, unless the copyright holder either releases the MP3 (in which case it will likely come with licensing explaining how it may and may not be used) or explicitly places it in the public domain. Now, the Brothers Hartnoll and Steve "Loopz" Price all frown upon Orbital MP3s, except for bootlegs of live shows and hard to get early material. They do not, I'm sure, enjoy blatant piracy of readily available and recently released albums. Most Orbital fans feel the same way. I know several ops in undernet's Orbital won't allow Orbital MP3 trading in the channel. Some will even kick or ban you if you're a dick about it. Anyways. I'm not trying to get you to shut the server down or delete your MP3s. I'm just saying it's disrespectful to ask for Orbital MP3s on an Orbital fan list. Support the artists you enjoy. Support 'em with your cash, too. Lord, I'm not trying to start an argument on MP3s. I really don't want to hear all the excuses. I have 1.6 gigs of MP3s too (although 80% of my stuff was released for free at the label's web site, with the rest being either extremely hard to find or stuff I ripped from my own CDs.) I realize there are 100s of ways to justify owning MP3s to yourself. Still, you should really really really TRY to buy the stuff before you ask a friend for a copy. And I don't mean just go down to fucking Sam Goody and say "well, if they don't have it, no one does." Sam Goody sucks. All mall music stores suck. Go to a big one like Virgin or HMV, or preferably, find something local that specializes in our music. Try the Motion Shop Finder (http://motion.state51.co.uk/shopfinder/) for something decent near you. If you live near a college, you shouldn't have a hard time finding at least two great stores. Also, check out http://www.othermusic.com, http://www.bentcrayon.com, or http://www.forcedexposure.com. While some of them don't stock Orbital, they're great all-around electronic music stores. And if you do find the CD after you've got the MP3s, pick it up. Mad love :))) Xaos 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J Van" Subject: Re: (orbital) Style and Nothing Left EPs Date: 02 Nov 1999 12:47:52 -0600 right on. MP3s are the perfect trading media of choice for those who don't use a real trading format like DAT, CD-R, or MD. Just get a high speed connection, find a site and and you're all set to leech away >Just so everyone knows: Making/distributing/playing MP3s of copyrighted >material is quite illegal. There is never a situation where it is legal, >unless the copyright holder either releases the MP3 (in which case it will >likely come with licensing explaining how it may and may not be used) or >explicitly places it in the public domain. > >Now, the Brothers Hartnoll and Steve "Loopz" Price all frown upon Orbital >MP3s, except for bootlegs of live shows and hard to get early material. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "angel" Subject: Re: (orbital) Style and Nothing Left EPs Date: 01 Nov 1999 10:53:16 -0800 Uh Who is this guy and who asked for his opinion? > >Just so everyone knows: Making/distributing/playing MP3s of copyrighted > >material is quite illegal. There is never a situation where it is legal, > >unless the copyright holder either releases the MP3 (in which case it will > >likely come with licensing explaining how it may and may not be used) or > >explicitly places it in the public domain. > > > >Now, the Brothers Hartnoll and Steve "Loopz" Price all frown upon Orbital > >MP3s, except for bootlegs of live shows and hard to get early material. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian Mahuron" Subject: RE: (orbital) Style and Nothing Left EPs Date: 02 Nov 1999 11:15:37 -0800 He must work for the record industry. I do agree though.. you shouldn't be pirating easily obtainable tracks.. it takes money directly out of P&Ps pockets. You want them to afford the biggest and baddest machines don't you? It is very cool that P&P support trading of bootlegs and hard to find material. I know I can't afford $60USD for the Omen remixes. Ian >Uh Who is this guy and who asked for his opinion? >>Just so everyone knows: Making/distributing/playing MP3s of copyrighted >>material is quite illegal. There is never a situation where it is legal, >>unless the copyright holder either releases the MP3 (in which case it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick McGinn" Subject: Re: (orbital) Style and Nothing Left EPs Date: 02 Nov 1999 15:40:45 -0500 > Uh Who is this guy and who asked for his opinion? Name's Pat McGinn (aka Xaos), and I'm an op in Undernet's #orbital... I've been on this list for about 1.5 years now. I don't work for the record industry, but it's simply not a bright idea to ask people in a public forum to help you break the law. If you want the MP3s, either find them yourself or ask friends. I mean, for all we know, an RIAA representative is subbed to the list. BTW - Next time, please either reply in private or to the list, not both. I don't need two copies of your email. Thanks, Xaos 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "angel" Subject: Re: (orbital) Style and Nothing Left EPs Date: 01 Nov 1999 12:46:54 -0800 > Name's Pat McGinn (aka Xaos), and I'm an op in Undernet's #orbital... I've > been on this list for about 1.5 years now. Well undernet part explains everything. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno ." Subject: (orbital) Business Abbreviations Date: 02 Nov 1999 23:30:25 GMT For a long time, I've seen little extensions on the end of record company names on the back of my favorite CD's : (ex: London Records "Ltd."; "Inc." ; etc.) I know where most of these are from, but can someone tell me what the follwing extensions actually mean ? : "GmBh" (Germany) "Pty." (Australia ?) "Pte." (Asia ?) "NV" (Belgium ?) "BV" (Netherlands ?) "KK" (Japan) "S.A." (France ?) "Srl" (Italy) I was just curious, as this is something that has been puzzling me for a long time. :-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nub Subject: (orbital) really fucking amazing trance Date: 01 Nov 1999 11:25:34 -0700 (MST) > The land was green and good. What's Dark Crystal? ack! you don't know? brilliantly surreal 80's movie by jim henson with some advanced muppeteering and great characters. highly recommended. > half-impaled on spikes. it sucks the most cheesey, common bits of every > trance song and produces a compilation. > excuse my rant, but i've had it to here (reece signals a point several > kilometers above his head) with people calling a great "trance" song. > and if you want to flame me, aim replies to ihatefaketrance@hotmail.com hmmm... did i call it a "great trance song"? nope, don't think i did. i think "melodic" was the word. do i "want" to flame you? well, no, not really. it takes all kinds, doesn't it? by the way, good sir, what might you consider to be "good trance?" as hard as i try, i can't ever seem to get people to talk about music on this list - might this be a good lead-in? i'll start the fire be saying that i like oakenfold, but i find him to be "cheesy" a lot of the time. i personally don't see how the 9pm song is any more cheesy than oakey's GU.NY comp, disc1... spank my ass and call me a faketrancelover, nub # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: (orbital) Open circuit Date: 01 Nov 1999 22:53:29 +0000 >anyways, the only reason I'd dig hearing Autechre playing in a cathedral >would be because of the acoustics in those buildings. or something. >wotever. they'd probably sound big and boomy and ever so super cool. who >cares about the religion? this is Autechre we're talking about! ;) This would be an amazing thing to see ! I think the Notre Dame cathedral in Paris would be a good place for Autechre, very atmospheric... Imagine actually being able to write a track there, built around the echoes..then again - perhaps knowing what it would sound like takes the fun out of it a bit ! I heard the beginning of Remind echo about a large room once, one of those happy accidents..sounded stunning. :-) >heh. blasting out some c64 sids in a church, now THAT would be fun ;) Millions of little square waves re-echoing over each other, god bless them all, each and every one ! >From: Brandon Invergo > >does anyone else find the stuff that mark s-d and >shannon write to be very confusing? :) You are not alone...biscuits at high noon , >Mark. I'm not sure where you were going with the "Silence of the Bullshit Detectors" >argument. Tell me if you find that blender = ). Cheers! I haven't quoted your post but I honestly couldn't fault what you put, and agree with *very nearly* all you have said - having thought about it properly this time. ;-) As with many things, a lot of the time it's more a problem of language rather than understanding. I think the definition of spirituality you gave is similar to what I have come to understand as direct experience, which is a feeling of being connected to the universe, balanced, very much in the present, where thoughts are felt but not acted upon. Perhaps I'm cynical but other than this and *what we make of our experiences*, I do not believe of any higher power than that... but (IMHO) there is a spiritual 'dimension' to all matter (energy), infact those two aspects are two perceived sides of one and the same thing.(again, IMHO !) A tree will grow towards the sun (seeking) and in doing so will define the shape it is and will become, as I see it that is not so different to the way faith works, ..faith in a 'higher being', faith in 'science'..anything, but that is not to say that I deny it's importance (far from it ;-). But my own opinion is that it's not out there to be found it's more like it's everywhere always right in front of your face and also behind/inside it..this constantly creative living/dying (same)...force (God?) ..and I don't understand whats missing....other than my blender, where is that thing when you need it...? The bullshit detectors argument was bullshit ? And theres me thinking I was on to something ! I won't be making over simplistic representations of incredibly beautiful and complex biological processes in future, so this is what happens when you eat too much sugar ? As well as your brain glowing in the dark ! Must be more careful... For what it's worth, I have no intention of offending anybody with what I say ! >Subject: Re: (orbital)very confusing >Hey Mark Sado-Dementicus >Beeeeeeeeeeee-YOrp $@#*$&@#%_!!! >Ta-WAAAAng! I tried the pills, they didn't work. :'( Oh well..!! 8-P P.S. Thanks DeeKay Cheers, -- -- Mark S-D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony N Gall Subject: Re: (orbital) really fucking amazing trance Date: 02 Nov 1999 22:50:59 -0600 (CST) > by the way, good sir, what might you consider to be "good trance?" as hard > as i try, i can't ever seem to get people to talk about music on this list > - might this be a good lead-in? i'll start the fire be saying that i like > oakenfold, but i find him to be "cheesy" a lot of the time. i personally > don't see how the 9pm song is any more cheesy than oakey's GU.NY comp, > disc1... well, i think what most people call "trance" nowadays is just catchy euro-dancy-stuff. i think something more "trancy" would be say, sasha's new GU ibiza. thas what i think of when i think of "trance". most people would call it progressive house maybe, but hey thas just what i think. i think all of that euro-dancy-stuff is cheesy, but of its own nature. i think it's ok sometimes, just in moderation ^_^ -Anthony # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Klausner Subject: Re: (orbital) Business Abbreviations Date: 03 Nov 1999 13:20:30 +0100 Hi! Mutt made be believe that Juno . wrote: > I know where most of these are from, but can someone tell me what the > follwing extensions actually mean ? : > > "GmBh" (Germany) It's GmbH, and it means "Gesellschaft mit beschraenkter Haftung", approximately Company with limited financial responsibility. Bye, Thomas -- Thomas Klausner - wiz@danbala.tuwien.ac.at WWW-homepage: http://fbma.tuwien.ac.at/~e9325658/Welcome.html Der Horizont vieler Menschen ist ein Kreis mit Radius Null -- und das nennen sie ihren Standpunkt. (found on /.) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Business Abbreviations Date: 03 Nov 1999 21:40:38 +0000 > From: "Juno ." > "GmBh" (Germany) GmbH = Gesellschaft mit beschraenkter Haftung.. In Germany we have different Kinds of Enterprises, there's the AG (Aktiengesellschaft, means that they are available in stock! 8), the KG (quite uncommon these days), the GbR (Gesellschaft des buergerlichen Rechts, also quite uncommon today!) and the GmbH .. All these different kinds of enterprises vary in their 'jurisdicial face'! It means that they have certain rights and it determines how they appear before the law, how and who can be held liable in case of a case filed against them or the company going down!.. DeeKay, Dr.jur! 8) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) Xaos' mp3-complaints.. Date: 03 Nov 1999 21:40:38 +0000 Xaos wrote: > Now, the Brothers Hartnoll and Steve "Loopz" Price all frown upon Orbital > MP3s, except for bootlegs of live shows and hard to get early material. > They do not, I'm sure, enjoy blatant piracy of readily available and > recently released albums. Well, i guess there are not many people on this list who don't have the 5 albums in original, the average is prolly much higher, i expect every fan on here to have something like 7 or 8 Orbital CDs or even Vinyl on average... I myself have about 15 original CDs and Vinyls.. So i don't really think you need to tell us! 8) However, i simply LOVE mp3s for giving me the possibility of getting tracks i wouldn't have a chance (or the change) to get otherwise.. And as for Orbital frowning upon mp3s, i'd like to quote Paul who once said in an interview: Q: Do you care about the mp3 scene and the hell it is raising in the music business, or do you think it will be something that blows over. A: Um..I think anything that raises hell in the music industry is a good thing. ...i don't think i need to tell people though that this doesn't mean you should collect Orbital ONLY in mp3! 8) But it makes me have less of a bad conscience when leeching some rare track rather than digging through 100s of CD/Vinyl crates or scanning dozens of online vendors or auctions (which i still so sometimes nevertheless! 8)!.. Keep in mind that an mp3 is not quite a collector's item, so you can't put it in a frame and hang it up in your room looking proudly on it all the time like an original Omen 12"! 8) It's merely for the music itself, not for the worth a real original represents for a collector! So i don't think mp3 will kill 'collectordom'! 8) Trainspotting mp3s can be a quest, too though!... I know i've spent almost 2 years on it now, hehe... I think the 'frowning' you were referring to was rather meant for the people making lotsa MONEY of selling Orbital-bootlegs (covering expenses is alright ofcourse!)!.. it's the same thing like with warez, if you charge for something more or less stolen, you suck and should be screwed bigtime anally! And that's something i agree with them 100%! >:) Keep the stuff free!.. So if you come across klickbanner sites, try mailing the sites the banners lead to that someone is scoring illegal klicks with mp3s and that they should blacklist them and demand all the money back they have given them sofar! >:-) I do mp3s since 97, and ALL sites were free back then, if someone tells me he is just 'covering his expenses' i laugh at them, don't believe them, these guys are making hundreds and often THOUSANDS of $$$ each month with this!! Just an idea i had after the 10000th bannerklick site i've come across.. DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brandon Invergo Subject: (orbital) flame war Date: 03 Nov 1999 15:57:32 -0800 (PST) speaking of which...where is our fine opinioned friend? did he unsubscribe? flame war? ok how about "i think phil and paul should have realized they suck back when they released chime and just quit techno and gone into the children's television industry." heh. take that! brandon invergo > --- Ed Blackshaw wrote: > > > > I'm bored of these autechre posts. Let's have a > > flame war instead. Brendan... > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daFinn Subject: (orbital) Blue Illusion ;) Date: 04 Nov 1999 10:29:46 +0100 Well... FAQ stuff - This song resembles an Orbital track, but which? I feel pretty thick. Need more coffee. http://www.gegga.com/gegga/Not_Orbital-Blue_Illusion.mp3 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: Re: (orbital) Xaos' mp3-complaints.. Date: 04 Nov 1999 10:26:30 GMT DeeKay wrote : >...i don't think i need to tell people though that this doesn't mean >you should collect Orbital ONLY in mp3! 8) But it makes me have less >of a bad conscience when leeching some rare track rather than digging >through 100s of CD/Vinyl crates or scanning dozens of online vendors >or auctions (which i still so sometimes nevertheless! 8)!.. Keep in >mind that an mp3 is not quite a collector's item, so you can't put it >in a frame and hang it up in your room looking proudly on it all the >time like an original Omen 12"! 8) It's merely for the music itself, >not for the worth a real original represents for a collector! So i >don't think mp3 will kill 'collectordom'! 8) Trainspotting mp3s can >be a quest, too though!... I know i've spent almost 2 years on it >now, hehe... Allegedly P&P have stated that they do not have a problem with people getting bootlegs and rare tracks on MP3 as they're hard to track down, but if my memory doesn't fail me, what raised this subject again was that somebody looked for an MP3 of "Style"; hardly a rare track yet. As for getting rare tracks on MP3, it takes the fun out of entering a small record shop in search of a rare release, and the moment of breathlessness you experience as one of the older releases appears before your eyes in the Orbital section. I agree that the MP3 market will hardly change the collectors' market, but I'm more concerned about the new release market where so many people rip whole cds and put them up for anyone to get. No, I'm not working for the record industry either, but I still feel a bit of a debt to the artists I like for the music they compose and I'm not about to go getting tracks that are very much available on MP3. Anyway, my 2 pence or whatever... Trym - "He said, 'We come from the third planet'" - "Go on.." - "He said, 'We come from Earth'" - Biosphere, 'The Third Planet' Biosphere Zine : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceetba/apollo/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Blue Illusion ;) Date: 04 Nov 1999 14:18:31 +0000 Naaah, I won't fall for THAT troll! >:-P If -which is very unlikely- you were serious about this: GET THE HELL OUT! >:-) DeeKay > > Well... FAQ stuff - This song resembles an Orbital track, but which? I feel > pretty thick. Need more coffee. > > http://www.gegga.com/gegga/Not_Orbital-Blue_Illusion.mp3 > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: Re: (orbital) trance Date: 04 Nov 1999 22:41:06 +0000 At 22:50 02/11/99 -0600, Anthony N Gall wrote: >well, i think what most people call "trance" nowadays is just catchy >euro-dancy-stuff. I just call it house, 'cos it's not really anything more than the latest incarnation of commercial house - this year's speed garage. >i think something more "trancy" would be say, to me, trance is stuff like the Jam & Spoon mixes of The Age Of Love and "Stella", but then I'm getting on a bit... And I know that's not what Reece calls trance. cheers, Jon - "Please hand the bird book back to the library by Tuesday, or you'll have to pay an extra Deutschmark." E&OE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nub Subject: (orbital) denver area? Date: 04 Nov 1999 12:45:36 -0700 (MST) anyone in the central colorado region wanna see paul "the man" oakenfold in denver with me on nov. 15? also featuring alex paterson (from the orb) and a couple others. main drawback: it's going to be more of a club show thing than a party thing (i assume - it's at the ogden theatre). not sure of the details. anyway, thought i'd ask... nub # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno ." Subject: (orbital) ??? Date: 04 Nov 1999 14:25:37 GMT At 13.32 03/11/99 -0500, Nowhere000@aol.com wrote: >>>>NP: Autechre remix of "the kW mailing list is shit " Thoughts ??? NoiseWerker - "For God So Loved The World He ICQ # 42651237 Created The Roland TB-303" Bless You All. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Basford Subject: Re: (orbital) Style and Nothing Left EPs Date: 05 Nov 1999 08:02:07 +0000 In message , Ian Mahuron writes : >It is very cool that P&P support trading of bootlegs and hard to find >material. I know I can't afford $60USD for the Omen remixes. Ouch. $60? Mine cost me £5 (about $8?) just under 6 months ago. This is the Omen 12" single with the 4 remixes on it, yes? Hmmm. Chuffed. Chris Basford E-mail : chris@g3vkm.demon.co.uk ICQ : 41233978 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ender Wright" Subject: Re: (orbital) Style and Nothing Left EPs Date: 05 Nov 1999 13:01:42 EST You got to remember, this stuff is extremely rare in the US of A. I was in Camelot the other day, looking through the singles section when... hello... I spy a Pearl Jam single with a previously unreleased track. I hadn't picked one up in a while so I grabbed it and took it up front. $15! for two goddamn songs, one of which I already own... You see, we get to foot the lovely import charges. $60 for an import Orbital e.p. ...he got lucky... -Ender ...big spender ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian Mahuron" Subject: RE: (orbital) Style and Nothing Left EPs Date: 05 Nov 1999 08:29:45 -0800 >>>> Cripes man.. if one of you guys in the UK can find one that cheap that's = in good shape, let me know. I'll give you =A315 ($22-25USD?) for it. I'd also love to get a copy of the non remix version... and the Satan III EP. eBay prices are sick. Ian <<<< Ouch. $60? Mine cost me =A35 (about $8?) just under 6 months ago. This is the Omen 12" single with the 4 remixes on it, yes? Hmmm. Chuffed. Chris Basford # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Czibor Subject: (orbital) Records for sale from my collection Date: 06 Nov 1999 18:57:12 +0100 Hi, I have a lot of CDs and vinyl records for sale from my collection, covering a lot of different electronic styles: techno, house, ambient, electronic body music, some samplers... Please go to http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6297/venta_eng.txt to see a full listing. Thanks, Carlos. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[::daniel ramirez centurion owo*::]" Subject: (orbital) First Encounter of Art and Electronic Music_Chile Dec 1999 Date: 06 Nov 1999 17:52:45 -0500 ___ First Encounter of Art and Electronic Music_ ___ Chile Dec 1999 ___ ___ Sueter.net will be there... ; P ___ ___ http://www.microman.cl/english/presenta.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Mp3 - here we go again Date: 07 Nov 1999 01:48:50 -0000 Just got the digest about the Orbital Mp3 thing. Gotta make some points Deekay! >And as for Orbital frowning upon mp3s, i'd like to quote Paul who >once said in an interview: >Q: Do you care about the mp3 scene and the hell it is raising in the >music business, or do you think it will be something that blows over. >A: Um..I think anything that raises hell in the music industry is a >good thing. He is joking. What band/group likes a record company ? not many. Would Paul like you to mp3 his work so that he has less record sales and in return would get a less album-advance payment on the next album - NO. Everyone who knows Paul should be able to tell you that likes to joke a lot and you shouldnt really believe everything he says in interviews. Rare and Live tracks mp3s are naturally going to be traded. But i always say that there are too many people trying to make money by selling bootlegs and compilation cds of Orbital rare tracks. Making money out of someone elses talent. Be fair guys/girls thats all i would say. Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Mp3 - here we go again Date: 07 Nov 1999 14:08:16 +0000 Steve wrote: > Just got the digest about the Orbital Mp3 thing. Gotta make some points >=20 > Deekay! > >And as for Orbital frowning upon mp3s, i'd like to quote Paul who=20 > >once said in an interview: > >Q: Do you care about the mp3 scene and the hell it is raising in the=20 > >music business, or do you think it will be something that blows over. > >A: Um..I think anything that raises hell in the music industry is a=20 > >good thing. >=20 > He is joking. What band/group likes a record company ? not many. Would = Paul > like you to mp3 his work so that he has less record sales and in return > would get a less album-advance payment on the next album - NO.=20 > Ofcourse not!.. Anyone with a brain can think so far that they need=20 to make a living (a hopefully good one! 8) and so won't promote=20 that people be ONLY downloading their stuff... It's like i said in=20 the paragraph afterwards, i hope the digest didn't cut that off.. I feel *a bit* quoted out of context there! <:-) But his words show me that he doesn't completely hate and dismiss=20 mp3, so that's cool to know!.. Anyways, i don't think the artists themselves will be (are?) the hurt=20 ones in the mp3-revolution.. had a few discussions on that,=20 people working in the music business told me making a printed CD plus=20 4-sided 4-color cover and jewel case costs for the record=20 companies (in 5-digit amounts!) 0.86DM, which is about $0.50 or=20 =A30.30.. Furthermore concerning royalties, not-well known artists get=20 around 5%, better known ones up to 10% (if they're lucky!) and=20 AAAALLL the fucking rest goes to the record company, let's say that's=20 something like 20DM/$11/=A37 after taxes from a 35DM/$18/=A312 (that's=20 what an album costs in germany!) album!!! Now, making THAT much profit, i can understand=20 a) why the RIAA is screaming so hard, making them look like idiots=20 trying to change the ways of the internet (their efforts in trying=20 to ban russian servers etc!)! >:-)=20 b) why top-sellers like Michael Jackson, Madonna, etc. are screaming=20 so hard (cause THEY have the 25% and up royalties!!)=20 c) why the newcomers/lesser known artists consider mp3 a good thing I dunno what figure Orbital have in their contract in the royalties=20 section, but i guess they have something around 10%.. This means they=20 get their fixed payments and the royalties, so i *guess* (well,=20 atleast *I* would) they would rather say "well, fuck the money we=20 lose in royalties if that means we'll get rid of these damn record=20 companies soon, with people being able to download the stuff for a=20 fraction of the money they'd pay for the CD (I'd say one third or so)=20 but with us getting ALL that money, not only a fraction of it like=20 with the record companies!" (well, so far for my vision! 8) The most ridiculous thing they (the RIAA) ever said was that mp3 is=20 killing newcomer bands - BULLSHIT! They basically LIVE off the=20 newcomer/lesser known bands, cause it's them that get the bad=20 contracts that give them (the RIAA) the biggest profits! Sure, they=20 don't sell as much as with a top selling act, but if 100 smaller=20 bands sell 10.000 albums each, it's the same as Michael Jackson=20 selling a million, only that the profit is MUCH higher for them! The record companies had their stranglehold on music for way too long=20 anyway, and they've been living in profit-paradise since day one (can=20 anyone remember that they said when the media CD was introduced that=20 CDs would get cheaper when they're more widespread? Well - they cost=20 MORE these days than back then!!) so it's about time that the party=20 ends!.. Remember that these guys only live off others creativity, they=20 themselves contribute NOTHING to the thing except for spreading it!=20 And instead of treating their musicians like the kings that make THEM=20 the money they treat them like shit, paying them like shit (mostly!)=20 and telling them how they should make their music! The record companies have also invented all the great 'hit machinery'=20 of 'Top Hits', telling people what to hear (together with the radio=20 stations, MTV and the likes and the popmusic-magazines!) and they=20 also create artificial acts like the spice girls and all the=20 boygroups cause "they see a need in this niche"! >:-( What a bunch of=20 hipocrite assholes!... Well, so far for my 2 Euro-cents on mp3 and the record industry..=20 thanks for reading through it and letting me be a visionary for a=20 minute or two! 8) I wanna be a Bill Gates once - NOT! >:-D > Everyone who knows Paul should be able to tell you that likes to joke a= lot > and you shouldnt really believe everything he says in interviews. > Okay, that's good to know, but like said before, it shows he doesn't=20 dismiss mp3 and sees the possibilities (well, i hope! 8) =20 > Rare and Live tracks mp3s are naturally going to be traded. But i alway= s say > that there are too many people trying to make money by selling bootlegs= and > compilation cds of Orbital rare tracks. Making money out of someone els= es > talent.=20 >=20 Hehe, isn't that what the record companies do too? 8) ofcourse, they=20 pay the artists (badly), but i know i'd be one of the first to pay (a=20 third or so from actual CD costs like said before) for a download if=20 the money went straight to the artist(s)! 8) But i already said that in the mail before that i TOTALLY hate people making money off someone else's creativity (and not giving them=20 appropriate payment, so that includes the RIAA, too! >:-P) That's it... thanks for reading! 8) Goodnight, DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: RE: (orbital) Mp3 - here we go again Date: 07 Nov 1999 17:56:31 -0000 >But his words show me that he doesn't completely hate and dismiss >mp3, so that's cool to know!.. I know he doesnt hate or love them. He can see how it can be usefull and also how it can affect the smaller groups/companies. > (in 5-digit amounts!) 0.86DM, which is about $0.50 or >?0.30.. Furthermore concerning royalties, not-well known artists get >around 5%, better known ones up to 10% (if they're lucky!) and I read what you put...i agree...Record companies are money grabbing bastards :) BUT...remember the more a record company suffers, the more the Artist does. Its a shame that it works like that...but a domino effect it can be and is in most cases...hence why i mention the album advance payment that the group/artist get - im sure in time this will be affected by the decline in cd sales. Thats enough from me Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk (ok..i lied...new site is not up yet :P ) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GlaucoBacchi Subject: (orbital) cd writers (off topic) Date: 07 Nov 1999 23:27:37 +0000 if i buy a cd writer for my pc can i make audio compilations or will it only copy entire audio cds? i wouldn't have to record each desired track as a wav first, would i? i heard a while back that some home recorded cds don't play on older cd players. was this cd-rs or cd-rws or both. is it true? thanx in advance (maybe email any replies to avoid annoying others on the list?) -- Glauco Bacchi (GlaucoBacchi@bigfoot.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GlaucoBacchi Subject: (orbital) early singles Date: 07 Nov 1999 23:33:13 +0000 any tips on finding the chime, omen, satan or midnight singles in the u.k.? -- Glauco Bacchi (GlaucoBacchi@bigfoot.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nub Subject: (orbital) time signature Date: 07 Nov 1999 15:28:22 -0700 (MST) i wanted to reiterate what someone said about mock tudor being a bitchin track. found it yesterday on this cheesy "earth dance" comp i picked up for 3 bucks. but i'm surprised that nobody (to my knowlege) has yet mentioned the most interesting thing about this track: it's in 7/8 time! (or equivalently, alternates 4/4-3/4 each bar). pretty damn cool. this is the only orbital song (i know of) with a non-4/4 time signature. in fact, the only other non-4/4 techno track i can come up with off the top of my head is black dog's... oh shit, i can't remember the name. track 3 from "bytes." anyway... blahblahblah, nub # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Another random movie/MoN tie in. Date: 08 Nov 1999 00:50:58 -0500 Well, I was watching the movie Election, which is very excellent, and I must recommend it to everyone. Anyway, there's a part where the protagonist goes to New York and they're showing some footage of New York that's sort of grainy, and it looks like it's from the 70's. It looks a lot like the artwork inside the MoN booklet. Well, there's my strange, obscure movie-to-Middle-of-Nowhere tie in for this month, be sure to tune in on my next startling revelation. Out- -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron Brown" Subject: Re: (orbital) time signature Date: 08 Nov 1999 11:31:55 -0000 The only other track I can think of in anything other than 4/4 is FSOL's 'far out son of lung and the ramblings of a madman'... top tune, you don't get many people that can make 3/4 groove like that. If you're after more odd timing stuff, pick up both Lamb albums if you haven't already. The shit they're doing is unbelievable... Also, for the record, 4/4 + 3/4 would be 7/4 (sorry to be a pedant...) ez it's in 7/8 time! (or equivalently, alternates 4/4-3/4 each bar). pretty damn cool. this is the only orbital song (i know of) with a non-4/4 time signature. in fact, the only other non-4/4 techno track i can come up with off the top of my head is black dog's... oh shit, i can't remember the name. track 3 from "bytes." anyway... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Blackshaw Subject: Re: (orbital) time signature Date: 08 Nov 1999 13:02:00 +0000 (GMT) On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:31:55 -0000 Aaron Brown wrote: # # The only other track I can think of in anything other than 4/4 is FSOL's # 'far out son of lung and the ramblings of a madman'... top tune, you don't # get many people that can make 3/4 groove like that. If you're after more # odd timing stuff, pick up both Lamb albums if you haven't already. The # shit they're doing is unbelievable... # Also, for the record, 4/4 + 3/4 would be 7/4 (sorry to be a pedant...) # # ez # it's in 7/8 time! (or equivalently, alternates 4/4-3/4 each bar). pretty # damn cool. this is # the only orbital song (i know of) with a non-4/4 time signature. in fact, # the only other non-4/4 techno track i can come up with off the top of my # head is black dog's... oh shit, i can't remember the name. track 3 from # "bytes." anyway... You should check out some of System 7's stuff, particularly the osmosis suite on 'Power of seven' - I'm not entirely sure it's not 4/4, but it's so damn syncopated, it's hard to tell _what's_ going on! As eric Cartman would say, kick-ass dude! -~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~- | Ed Blackshaw, School of Chemistry | ( Organic Section ) ) University of Bristol ( ( Tel. (internal) ext. 4252 ) ) Ed.Blackshaw@bristol.ac.uk ( ( ) ) "We're not dropping out here, we're infiltrating ( ( and taking over." ) ) ( | http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/~cheab | -~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reece Subject: Re: (orbital) trance Date: 08 Nov 1999 17:51:02 +0000 >to me, trance is stuff like the Jam & Spoon mixes of The Age Of Love and >"Stella", but then I'm getting on a bit... And I know that's not what Reece >calls trance. jon's right. my version on trance is the more banging fast uplifting music basically made for Ecstacy users (although trance-heads aren't necessarily pillers - take me for example). if i were recommending good (acid) trance/techno musicians (and i am, so get yer pen ready), i'd say: lab 4 (try alien and neurocide), m-zone, hallucinogen, man with no name, the secret, choci, tinrib, sharkey. djs would be: marc sinclair, choci, billy bunter, oberon, beamish, orange peel, sharkey, energy, fury. hit the shops peeps, this is what you want! if anyone wants any really shit-hot mix tapes or mds, send blanks my way. can't do cds though, and there's a waiting list for when i can (mehul and farki - you guys are at the top). aloha! Reece # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian Mahuron" Subject: RE: (orbital) cd writers (off topic) Date: 08 Nov 1999 10:14:52 -0800 You can make compilations.. not just full CDs. People say that some older home audio CD players cannot play CD-R media.. My personal experience has been this.. if the CD-R is burned correctly, it will play in any player (ie. mine is 7 years old and plays them fine). if the CD-R is burned incorrectly, it may only play in a computer CD-ROM and not a home CD player. I've been able to play CD-RWs as well... but they're a waste of money so it doesn't really matter. Oh.. if you're going to spend the money, go SCSI, and buy Plextor CD-RW drives. If you don't you may be very disappointed. My $00.02USD Ian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Another random movie/MoN tie in. Date: 08 Nov 1999 19:42:17 +0000 > Well, I was watching the movie Election, which is very excellent, and I > must recommend it to everyone. Anyway, there's a part where the > protagonist goes to New York and they're showing some footage of New > York that's sort of grainy, and it looks like it's from the 70's. It > looks a lot like the artwork inside the MoN booklet. Well, there's my > strange, obscure movie-to-Middle-of-Nowhere tie in for this month, be > sure to tune in on my next startling revelation. Out- > > -Marc Sawaya > From what i saw the 'movie to MoN' was rather the video to "The Box", as the video's chick fades in in the beginning and looks *exactly* like the figure of MoN, only without a white background! But that would be an easy job in Photoshop, it also looks kinda blurry on the cover, which might be due to low-res video footage, so i wonder if the cover designer has actually digitized this figure from 'The Box" Video!... ...and i STILL swear he sings "Ciause he's indestructible"! 8) Wtf is "ciause"? 8) Italian pronounciation (Trevi Fountain!)?? DeeKay "...Shares his neighbors with a building Knows addresses of by heart..." 8) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: Re: (orbital) Another random movie/MoN tie in. Date: 08 Nov 1999 13:47:55 -0500 > Actually, I was referring to all the art inside the booklet like with the taxis and people. It appears that the figure on the cover has been spotted in several movies, such as the Game and Monthy Python and the Search for the Holy Grail (when they're pushing the rabbit). -Marc > >From what i saw the 'movie to MoN' was rather the video to "The Box", > as the video's chick fades in in the beginning and looks *exactly* > like the figure of MoN, # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: RE: (orbital) cd writers (off topic) Date: 08 Nov 1999 19:55:26 +0000 The speed at which they're burned matters, too!.. 4x ones won't work too well, especially in car CD-players.. From what i figured the 8x burners must have a stronger Laser, because the 4x were already critical, e.g. nobody manages to burn a PSX game in 4x! It's down to the deepness of the grooves, if the laser has less time to burn the groove, it becomes critical... So the 8x MUST have a stronger one, i figure the 4x ones still have the old, weaker lasers... afaik RWs really don't work on CD-players built before CD-RW came out.. DeeKay > You can make compilations.. not just full CDs. > > People say that some older home audio CD players cannot play CD-R media.. My > personal experience has been this.. if the CD-R is burned correctly, it will > play in any player (ie. mine is 7 years old and plays them fine). if the > CD-R is burned incorrectly, it may only play in a computer CD-ROM and not a > home CD player. I've been able to play CD-RWs as well... but they're a > waste of money so it doesn't really matter. > > Oh.. if you're going to spend the money, go SCSI, and buy Plextor CD-RW > drives. If you don't you may be very disappointed. > > My $00.02USD > > Ian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Another random movie/MoN tie in. Date: 08 Nov 1999 20:12:11 +0000 Huh?? Quest for the Holy grail??? I wonder what scene THAT could be then, i mean i've seen the movie about 15 times but i can't remember that! However, the Box video is the most likely source, since it's from Orbital themselves! 8))) DeeKay > > Actually, I was referring to all the art inside the booklet like with the taxis > and people. It appears that the figure on the cover has been spotted in > several movies, such as the Game and Monthy Python and the Search for the Holy > Grail (when they're pushing the rabbit). > > -Marc > > > >From what i saw the 'movie to MoN' was rather the video to "The Box", > > as the video's chick fades in in the beginning and looks *exactly* > > like the figure of MoN, > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian Mahuron" Subject: RE: (orbital) cd writers (off topic) Date: 08 Nov 1999 11:16:18 -0800 >>> The speed at which they're burned matters, too!.. 4x ones won't work too well, especially in car CD-players.. From what i figured the 8x burners must have a stronger Laser, because the 4x were already critical, e.g. nobody manages to burn a PSX game in 4x! It's down to the deepness of the grooves, if the laser has less time to burn the groove, it becomes critical... So the 8x MUST have a stronger one, i figure the 4x ones still have the old, weaker lasers... afaik RWs really don't work on CD-players built before CD-RW came out.. DeeKay <<< I burn all my CD-Rs at 4x.. works fine. I've run CD-RW media in my home deck which is 7 years old.. works fine. As I said before, it all depends on knowing what you're doing and buying good media. I prefer Sony, Maxell, and TDK & use Nero Burning ROM software. Oh.. and IDE CDROMs & CD-RWs suck.. that's that. With SCSI, if something hiccups on your system (ie an application popping up out of nowhere) the CD still burns ok.. w/ IDE, I'd have a new coaster. Ian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ender Wright" Subject: RE: (orbital) cd writers (off topic) Date: 08 Nov 1999 14:22:25 EST >Oh.. and IDE CDROMs & CD-RWs suck.. that's that. With SCSI, if something >hiccups on your system (ie an application popping up out of nowhere) the CD >still burns ok.. w/ IDE, I'd have a new coaster. That's why you buy CDRW's, so you can re-record. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BcallmeD@aol.com Subject: (orbital) Electronica documentary and Portable DAT Date: 08 Nov 1999 14:23:57 EST Hey everybody. I just wanted to mention that a few weeks ago I saw a great documentary about the history/artists/ and culture of electronic music (including djs) in my Film and Youth Cultures class. It's called "Modualtions: Cinema for the Ear." (Remember when people were fighting about the origins of electronica...well this movie dates it back to before the 1930s [that's a bit earlier than Kraftwerk]). Anyway, there are lots of copies at various VHS dealers on the net. I highly recommend it...it interviews Squarepusher and Autechre and shows a clip of Orbital performing. Onwards! I couls also use a bit of advice about what to look for since I'm in the market for a portable DAT machine (an older, cheaper one should do the trick). What options should it have that will allow me to transfer the glorious digital sound to my computer's sequencer software (Logic). Thanks for zee help. Brian the marginal protector # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'nemesis1'" Subject: RE: (orbital) cd writers (off topic) Date: 08 Nov 1999 19:34:37 +0000 At 19:55 8.11.1999 +0000, deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: > >The speed at which they're burned matters, too!.. 4x ones won't work >too well, especially in car CD-players.. From what i figured the 8x >burners must have a stronger Laser, because the 4x were already >critical, e.g. nobody manages to burn a PSX game in 4x! really? all psx games I've burned at 4x work perfectly.... ;) and I got a Plextor 8x on the way *drooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooo* >It's down to >the deepness of the grooves, if the laser has less time to burn the >groove, it becomes critical... So the 8x MUST have a stronger one, i >figure the 4x ones still have the old, weaker lasers... I think it all depends on the brand and quality of the burner. I used to have a Teac cdr55-s drive, and, in short, it w00ped ass! ripped audio perfectly at 12x, burned perfectly at 4x, and anything I threw the cds at played them without hitch. discman, crappy cd players, car cd player, you name it. then again, I didn't use sub-brand super-cheap less-than-0 quality disks... ;) ^_^ Agust 'nemesis1' http://nemesis1.cjb.net click need more sugar # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'nemesis1'" Subject: Re: (orbital) time signature Date: 08 Nov 1999 19:40:49 +0000 At 15:28 7.11.1999 -0700, Nub wrote: > >i wanted to reiterate what someone said about mock tudor being a bitchin >track. found it yesterday on this cheesy "earth dance" comp i picked up >for 3 bucks. but i'm surprised that nobody (to my knowlege) has yet >mentioned the most interesting thing about this track: it's in 7/8 time! >(or equivalently, alternates 4/4-3/4 each bar). pretty damn cool. this is >the only orbital song (i know of) with a non-4/4 time signature. in fact, >the only other non-4/4 techno track i can come up with off the top of my >head is black dog's... oh shit, i can't remember the name. track 3 from >"bytes." anyway... and it's a friggin beautiful tune too... and I can't remember the name of it either :) was it Jaukk by Close Up Over? or was that my other super favorite from the cd, track #10... anyways, one other tune I remember which uses this time signature is the last track on Bjorn Lynne's first cd (dr.awesome & fleshbrain's "hobbits & spaceships"). needless to say, I forgot the name of that track... ;) ^_^ Agust 'nemesis1' http://nemesis1.cjb.net click need more sugar # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian Mahuron" Subject: RE: (orbital) cd writers (off topic) Date: 08 Nov 1999 11:44:50 -0800 > That's why you buy CDRW's, so you can re-record. I can kill 10 CD-Rs for the price of one CD-RW. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian Mahuron" Subject: RE: (orbital) Electronica documentary and Portable DAT Date: 08 Nov 1999 11:55:04 -0800 >Onwards! >I couls also use a bit of advice about what to look for since I'm in the >market for a portable DAT machine (an older, cheaper one should do the >trick). What options should it have that will allow me to transfer the >glorious digital sound to my computer's sequencer software (Logic). Thanks >for zee help. Why DAT? My buddy is a boot'er and he uses minidisk... if you *must* use DAT, all you should need is a soundcard w/ digital interface (S/PDIF).. there was a posting on slashdot awhile ago on this subject... http://slashdot.org/askslashdot/99/09/29/0451243.shtml # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ender Wright" Subject: RE: (orbital) cd writers (off topic) Date: 08 Nov 1999 14:54:54 EST >>That's why you buy CDRW's, so you can re-record. >I can kill 10 CD-Rs for the price of one CD-RW. Where the hell do you buy from? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony N Gall Subject: RE: (orbital) cd writers (off topic) Date: 08 Nov 1999 15:25:52 -0600 (CST) On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Ender Wright wrote: > > >>That's why you buy CDRW's, so you can re-record. > > >I can kill 10 CD-Rs for the price of one CD-RW. > > Where the hell do you buy from? well i can't speak for Ian, but i buy usually from BestBuy, Memorex 50-packs are my friends :) they're a buck per CD-R...completely blank, too...and you can always try for a discount, i've gotten 100's of CD-Rs for free that way...hmm funny, haven't ever seen CD-RWs on discount :P -Anthony # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ender Wright" Subject: RE: (orbital) cd writers (off topic) Date: 08 Nov 1999 16:43:36 EST Good point, but I don't buy in bulk that big... MicroWareHouse sells Imation CDRW (74min/650MB) in ten packs for $30. Besides, I make a lot of mistakes... and I don't need any more coasters. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Xing MP3 encoding. Date: 08 Nov 1999 16:49:19 -0500 Alright, I don't want to start anything, I just want someone to tell me why Audiocatalyst is bad. It sounds fine and is a heckuva lot faster than CDex. That's all! -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian Mahuron" Subject: RE: (orbital) Xing MP3 encoding. Date: 08 Nov 1999 13:59:54 -0800 I tried CDex and didn't like it.. the ripper is flawed (lots of pops.. slow, etc..).. and the encoder isn't as fast as they boast (FH is just as fast). I use the "Audio extractor" that came w/ my Plextor to rip the tracks and then mp3 producer (Fraunhoffer) to encode.. works great.. though I wish FH codecs supported variable bitrates. For those of you without Plextor drives.. get a copy of Audiograbber and the radium release of the FH codec... works like magic. Ian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: (orbital) Robin Hood Robin Hood riding through the glen Date: 08 Nov 1999 23:55:00 +0000 >From: GlaucoBacchi >Subject: (orbital) early singles >any tips on finding the chime, omen, satan or midnight singles in the >u.k.? >- -- >Glauco Bacchi (GlaucoBacchi@bigfoot.com) Forget the big shops except for the very latest releases, even then try and find an good independent store. For the rare stuff it's best to look through the back of magazines such as Record Collector..Muzik..Mixmag etc etc..and note down all the telephone numbers (of record shops!), phone them up..ask if they do mail order or if they do a catalogue..some have them on computer so you can find out if somethings in stock right away. You don't usually have to travel, but I've travelled over 100 miles once for one particular 12" ! Other than that, find out about record fairs..if there are any in your area..sometimes there are notice boards in librarys where people advertise these things. Librarys also do records and cds, I found the orbital remix of Kinetic (Golden Girls) in the library and later bought it from somewhere else..and took out some Stereolab stuff at the same time because I wasn't sure if I'd like it or not. ..and of course theres the Internet as well but using search engines effectively is a dark art, so I leave that till last. Was interesting for me to read the posts about MP3's..and related to what was said, I just want to add that it's not just in the music industry that people abuse their positions of influence by being dishonest in order to fill their pockets ! Happens everywhere, capitalism is a great motivator - motivates anything profitable all the way from crap radio all the way through to weapons and mass destruction ! So, what are these ideals that mp3 is to bring about , cheaper CD's for all ? (Sound familiar?) Perhaps I'm old and cynical but the first things to go in a companys efficiency drive is anything of any human worth, take a look inside McDonalds and ask yourself how many people relish their food or cry tears of joy at the sight of Ronald ! Tears of pain after choking on a rats arse bone perhaps.... I think that it would be good if record companies saw themselves as public service organisations instead of a business purely out to make profit, but is setting out to destroy the whole thing really a way forward or just clearing the ground to make way for something even worse ? I don't know really...I do think if you like something you should support it, and defiantly not take money away from it...I expect Orbital have at some point made the choice that being heard and having an imperfect record deal is more important than not having a record deal at all...and if you believe that too then you should choose to get an original recording first if there's the choice. If you don't believe that then you could ask yourself what you wanted the mp3 for in the first place, and delete it. Cheers, -- -- Mark S-D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Autechre/Plaid. Date: 08 Nov 1999 21:04:52 EST Hey all, Some of you may have heard about the tour with Autechre, Plaid, and Push Button Objects that is supposedly coming to the US. Now, Pat McGinn (aka Xaos) told me about this, and supposedly it's going to be in December or something. Does anyone (Pat?) know anything about this tour? Have there been any new developments, or rumours surfacing? Thanks, Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno ." Subject: (orbital) An Early Farewell :-( Date: 09 Nov 1999 17:48:29 GMT Hello everyone !!!! :-) As I have one week left before I leave for the black pit of despair which is Basic Military Training (lol), I just wanted to give an early goodbye to everyone on all four of my favorite lists. You have all been very fun and interesting people to chat with, teaching me many valuable things regarding the love of music and technology. I will definitely miss all of the silly flame wars and annoying post questions that had been mentioned fifty million times before (;-) . It felt damn good to be part of four groups of individuals who respect the masters of the music game the same way that I do. I don't know for sure when I'll be back online; maybe within the next three to six months. I really have no idea what the fuck the future holds, but so far I see plenty of recording, traveling, and meeting lots of new people. If I get to be stationed in Germany, I might plan on bringing some friends over to see Kraftwerk at Expo 2000. Anyways, I want to keep it short and sweet, so let me just say that I love all you guys and that I will miss you all very much from the bottom of my heart. God Bless all of you forever. :-) Josh E. (Juno) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick McGinn" Subject: Re: (orbital) Autechre/Plaid. Date: 09 Nov 1999 15:10:30 -0500 > Some of you may have heard about the tour with Autechre, Plaid, and Push > Button Objects that is supposedly coming to the US. Now, Pat McGinn (aka > Xaos) told me about this, and supposedly it's going to be in December or > something. Does anyone (Pat?) know anything about this tour? Have there been > any new developments, or rumours surfacing? The lineup for the Chocolate Industries Release Tour is: DJ Craze Plaid Push Button Objects DJ Infamous Autechre +more TBA The last info I got on the tour was a response to a question I sent one of the P.R. guys, and he said "There will be a New York show, either the last week of November or the first week in December." That was almost two months ago, so it could have changed since then. I'll e-mail the guy again today and see what's up. It didn't sound like they had all the details really ironed out, but I hope it's still on. Xaos 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno ." Subject: (orbital) OT: More Computer Stuff Date: 11 Nov 1999 01:34:44 GMT Well, I apologize if this topic bored some of you out there the first time it was mentioned, but that's what you have delete buttons for. ;-P Anyways, as I had talked about before, I had waged the war in my head about converting to Mac over PC (especially in regards to music making). Although I will keep my PC for now, it will definitely go in the closet once I get my hands on my new Mac system soon. But there's just one problem. :-0 I originally said that I would start saving up for a G4 tower, but now the new iMac DV systems have really caught my attention. The new iMac DV's have now inlcuded all of the features that I originally wanted in the first editions : 350 or 400 G3 Processors 100 Mhz System Bus 64 or 128 MB RAM 2 Fire Wire Ports 6, 10, 0R 13GB Ultra ATA Drives 8 MB Video RAM ATI Rage 128 Card (2x AGP) 4x DVD-ROM Harmon Kardon speakers iMovie video software Plus, I've always wanted to get into video editing. I've been thinking of building a site to house all of my rare Art Of Noise footage on, but I don't have a video capture device. So now the debate is, which one should I buy ? To paraphrase a statement made by Apple, they said that you would only need a G4 over an iMac if you needed a bigger monitor (??? Monitors are sold separately from the G4 towers), needed PCI expansion, or if you needed more than a maximum of 512 MB of RAM. Surely that'a a faulty statement. I like the iMac because it's truly plug-and-play, and everything is so compact and easily accessible (ever have to change an audio cable from the back of a large tower case ? It's quite a bitch when you have little room to move around !!!!). Plus, I love the flavors (hey, when will we see a Lemon model ?) :-) But I want the G4 for its brute-strength processing. Either way, both models will be faster than the newest Pentiums (according to Apple's tests LOL) . So what do you Mac Addicts think ? : New iMac, or new G4 ? BTW : I know that there are USB MIDI boxes available for the Mac, but are there any full-fledged USB audio cards/boxes out there ? I know that Roland and Edirol released their UA-100 Audio Canvas, but its interface software is specifically for PC. I really want to start doing 24-bit recording. Thanks again for putting up with my long-ass posts. ;-P NoiseWerker - "For God So Loved The World He ICQ # 42651237 Created The Roland TB-303" Bless You All. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Moby's Thousand Date: 11 Nov 1999 00:46:51 -0500 Someone on this list mentioned this song to me a long time ago and I finally found it on mp3. Basically it's nuts. It has a sample of a female singer saying "oh yeah", and then the beat starts in and speeds up to 1000bpm (hence the name of the song). Then it stops and starts again. Sheer madness, I think it was described by the person who recommended it, I forget who it was. If you want to check it out, just for fun at least, it's on my ftp of course, msawaya.res.wpi.net, log/pass: bobo. Come leech stuff and feel free to upload. Cheers -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Willoughby Subject: (orbital) Re: (non-orbital) Mp3 - here we go again Date: 11 Nov 1999 01:13:54 -0800 [ From: deekay@mail.dfu.de [ people working in the music business told me making a printed CD [ plus 4-sided 4-color cover and jewel case costs for the record [ companies (in 5-digit amounts!) 0.86DM, which is about $0.50 or [ 0.30.. I can believe that. In 1997, I priced a limited pressing of 1,000 CDs for $2,000 which includes printing color inserts, film for the screen print on the CD itself, pre-mastering, creating a master tape/CD, and pressing and assembling everything (distribution and advertising would be extra). If an individual can do this for $2 per CD at minimum quantities, the records companies should be able cut the price to 1/4 for millions of copies of hit CDs. [ Furthermore concerning royalties, not-well known artists [ get around 5%, better known ones up to 10% (if they're [ lucky!) and AAAALLL the fucking rest goes to the record company, [ let's say that's something like 20DM/$11/7 after taxes from a [ 35DM/$18/12 (that's what an album costs in germany!) album!!! I disagree with your statement that the record company gets everything that the artist doesn't see. 1) The retail shop gets to make a profit vs. wholesale prices. This goes to pay employees, rent, electrical bills, and massive profits. 2) The distributors make as much $6 per CD, I think. Either that, or they only pay $6 per CD. Since they no longer accept CD returns, I don't know what their costs are, other than shipping and warehousing. 3) The record companies get the profit that is left. They claim that studio costs and advertising are incredibly costly, but they probably own the studios and we know how poorly they advertise the bands that need it. I don't doubt that the record companies make more than anyone else in the picture, but they do share the money with the distributors, retail shops, and artists. 4) Some money goes to the government in taxes, but that's not a hidden percentage! [ Now, making THAT much profit, i can understand [ b) why top-sellers like Michael Jackson, Madonna, etc. are [ screaming so hard (cause THEY have the 25% and up royalties!!) Did you know that the US has a bizarre law taxing blank cassette tapes and DATs, and then paying top-sellers under the assumption that bootlegging is happening on all those blanks? They run special listener request radio stations that log how many times a song is requested, and then distributing the tax in proportion to the artist's popularity. I think this is awful, and I think that it actually encourages bootlegging. If you've already paid the fine for bootlegging, why not do the crime? I wouldn't be surprised if some legislator introduces an amendment to that law which taxes CD-R blanks and CD-RW media. If anyone has any additional information on these taxes, please let me know. [ "well, fuck the money we lose in royalties if that means we'll [ get rid of these damn record companies soon, with people being [ able to download the stuff for a fraction of the money they'd pay [ for the CD (I'd say one third or so) but with us getting ALL that [ money, not only a fraction of it like with the record companies!" Even though I disagree with your statement that record companies keep all the money that they don't give to the artist, I do agree that MP3 can help small bands and even large ones. The biggest problem is that the distributors, record companies, and retail shops are all big businesses trying to maximize profit to the limit that the market will bear. They killed vinyl because it costs more to make them, and the public is willing to pay less than a CD. The claim was that vinyl wasn't selling, but the record companies made this a self-fulfilling prophecy by reducing the number of vinyl records pressed! The real maddening facts are that distributors make retail shops sign exclusive agreements that they will not accept CDs from any other source. This means that even if you print 1,000 of your own original CD, you can't even drop them off at the local retail shop unless you can do it under the table. I found this out when trying to arrange for distribution of my own CDs. The other problem is record company greed. In the old days, when music was not such a commodity, they were happy to sell thousands of records. 10,000 copies was amazing. Then came Gold and Platinum and multi-platinum records. The record companies are now addicted, and won't even give the time of day to a small band that would sell merely 10,000 copies. Today's small bands might sell more records than Elvis did (when he was alive - I'm not counting the massive sales that are still going), but they cannot get them printed by a major label. After I learned all of this, I had the idea of starting a no-questions-asked record company that would print any number of copies of a CD for any band. Kind of like a Kinko's Copies for music CDs. The bands would have to pay for the pressing just like they pay for printing their flyers. But despite the potential legal problems with my idea, I soon learned that most small bands have no idea how to manage money, they cannot even scrape together $100 to pool together with other bands to make a compilation CD. So I can really see how the record companies are able to get them to sign away their souls. Brian Willoughby # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Plaid Plone tour in USA Date: 11 Nov 1999 12:59:19 -0000 Http://www.warp-net.com is the answer to your question :) Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk (new site online) >Hey all, >Some of you may have heard about the tour with Autechre, Plaid, and Push >Button Objects that is supposedly coming to the US. Now, Pat McGinn (aka >Xaos) told me about this, and supposedly it's going to be in December or >something. Does anyone (Pat?) know anything about this tour? Have there been >any new developments, or rumours surfacing? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Loopz - Reborn Date: 11 Nov 1999 13:01:46 -0000 All, Reborn - maybe not. New site online. Got check out and sign the guestbook. News Highlights - Orbital play New Years Eve, Orbital contribute music to Dr Who night on TV (This Saturday) and Paul Hartnoll remixes David Grey. Thanx Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk (new site online) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) what was that film called again ? Date: 11 Nov 1999 13:08:04 -0000 Someone mentioned the documentary film called modulations - was it called modulations ? CdNow was selling it a while ago, now i cant find it on there and i was wondering if i have the wrong title. Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Marek Subject: Re: (orbital) what was that film called again ? Date: 11 Nov 1999 08:17:54 -0500 At 01:08 PM 11/11/99 +0000, Price, Steve A wrote: > >Someone mentioned the documentary film called modulations - was it called >modulations ? CdNow was selling it a while ago, now i cant find it on there >and i was wondering if i have the wrong title. i haven't seen it, but i'm pretty sure it's Modulations. there's a trailer online that you can get to from the hyperreal.org site. click on interserctions, then modulations. Kerry.. the ONE.. (think math) email me at: kmarek@wam.umd.edu http://www.wam.umd.edu/~kmarek/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Carver" Subject: Re: (orbital)Record companies' rip offs Date: 11 Nov 1999 13:20:55 GMT >[ From: deekay@mail.dfu.de >[ people working in the music business told me making a printed CD >[ plus 4-sided 4-color cover and jewel case costs for the record >[ companies (in 5-digit amounts!) 0.86DM, which is about $0.50 or >[ 0.30.. >[ Furthermore concerning royalties, not-well known artists >[ get around 5%, better known ones up to 10% (if they're >[ lucky!) and AAAALLL the fucking rest goes to the record company, >[ let's say that's something like 20DM/$11/7 after taxes from a >[ 35DM/$18/12 (that's what an album costs in germany!) album!!! Another thing about how record companies screw artists: if a record company gives a new artist an advance of, say, £100,000, the artist doesn't actually get any money WHATSOEVER from record sales/royalties until the record company have made back the £100,000 that they gave (or rather lent) to the artist. One thing I think we can all agree on is that record compnanies are gonna screw as much out of you as they can! Steve kingdubby@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Belbin" Subject: re: (orbital) what was that film called? Date: 11 Nov 1999 13:37:41 GMT Definitely 'Modulations' - 1998; Caipirinha Productions; dir Iara Lee; 'starring' Afrika Bambaata, Genesis P. Orridge, Carl Cox, Danny Tenaglia, Robert Moog & Karl-Heinz Stockhausen. Ornital, prodigy, Can on the soundtrack. i saw it supporting something weird (ie nothing 'technoey') last year, and its well worth a peek ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: Re: (orbital) what was that film called again ? Date: 11 Nov 1999 14:17:11 GMT >Someone mentioned the documentary film called modulations - was it called >modulations ? CdNow was selling it a while ago, now i cant find it on there >and i was wondering if i have the wrong title. > >Steve Steve, At hyperreal.org there's a short feature about the Modulations film. They also have a link there to some online shop (Carpinha sumthin') selling it. Missed it myself for the one-off screening at the Edinburgh Filmhouse, so it's tempting to buy a copy. Just for sport, here's the link.. http://www.hyperreal.org/intersection/modulations/ Trym - "He said, 'We come from the third planet'" - "Go on.." - "He said, 'We come from Earth'" - Biosphere, 'The Third Planet' Biosphere Zine : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceetba/apollo/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) Re: Mp3 & Record companies... Date: 11 Nov 1999 19:05:31 +0000 Thanks very much for your in-depth reply! 8) > I disagree with your statement that the record company gets everything that > the artist doesn't see. > 1) The retail shop gets to make a profit vs. wholesale prices. > This goes to pay employees, rent, electrical bills, and massive profits. > 2) The distributors make as much $6 per CD, I think. > Either that, or they only pay $6 per CD. > Since they no longer accept CD returns, I don't know what their costs are, > other than > shipping and warehousing. > 3) The record companies get the profit that is left. > They claim that studio costs and advertising are incredibly costly, but > they probably > own the studios and we know how poorly they advertise the bands that need it. > I don't doubt that the record companies make more than anyone else in the picture, > but they do share the money with the distributors, retail shops, and artists. > 4) Some money goes to the government in taxes, but that's not a hidden percentage! > Yeah, sorry, stupid me forgot all the dealers in the equation! <:-) I usually include them in my points when i argue about mp3! However, i think you agree with me when i say "Who really NEEDs dealers and distribution people in times of the net?" I never understood what the point with these guys is anyway, buying stuff in large quantities cheaply from one party and selling the same stuff in small quantities with lotsa profit to the next party!... The dealers also make profits for doing hardly anything, so they can go fuck themselves, too IMHO! >:-) > Did you know that the US has a bizarre law taxing blank cassette tapes and > DATs, and then paying top-sellers under the assumption that bootlegging is > happening on all those blanks? > They run special listener request radio stations that log how many times a > song is requested, and then distributing the tax in proportion to the artist's > popularity. I think this is awful, and I think that it actually encourages > bootlegging. If you've already paid the fine for bootlegging, why not do the > crime? > Yes, we do have this in Germany, too, and it's a pain in the ass... it's called the GEMA... Here, EVERY artist releasing on a record label and selling officially HAS to be in the GEMA.. they get refunds depending on the quantities their stuff sold in. ALL Tapes and DATs, prolly even Minidiscs include a GEMA-fee, and it's not too small! There are even Audio-CDRs (that have a special code, so (normal, unmodded! 8) Audio-burners will only accept this kind.. However, these Audio-CDRs are like SIX fuckin times as expensive as normal CDRs!! The REAL bad thing about the GEMA is, that they have full control over you, this means you HAVE to be a member of the GEMA if you wanna release CDs officially (that are sold in stores etc.) but they do NOT allow you to make ANY music without paying YOUR GEMA-fee!.. It's stupid, first you pay them (to register your music in their database or whatever!) and then they pay you back!.. The amount they pay back is ridiculous for someone selling anything below 10.000 CDs by the way!.. What's more you are NOT allowed to release stuff on mp3, not even stuff that isn't on any CD!! So if you make a track with a band and you both want to put it on the web for free, you're NOT allowed to do that!! Imagine that!... They're so fucken afraid of the web, and we all know why by now! >:-) Summing up, there are too many people making money off music that basically don't have to do anything with it, be it Record companies, dealers or GEMA-fucks... But people still pay for it cause they (used to) have no other options.. This is about to change (hopefully)! >:-D > I wouldn't be surprised if some legislator introduces an amendment to that law > which taxes CD-R blanks and CD-RW media. If anyone has any additional > information on these taxes, please let me know. > They even plan on introducing a GEMA-fee for CDRs from what i read recently, but i *hope* the people using the CDRs for anything else than mp3 or Audio (which is still like 80% of all CDRs burnt at LEAST!) will not allow this... that's just another lame attempt of the record companies to change the net and/or the computer industry like the lame attempts to block certain servers (with -presumably- mp3s on them!) > [ "well, fuck the money we lose in royalties if that means we'll > [ get rid of these damn record companies soon, with people being > [ able to download the stuff for a fraction of the money they'd pay > [ for the CD (I'd say one third or so) but with us getting ALL that > [ money, not only a fraction of it like with the record companies!" > > Even though I disagree with your statement that record companies keep all the > money that they don't give to the artist, I do agree that MP3 can help small > bands and even large ones. The biggest problem is that the distributors, > record companies, and retail shops are all big businesses trying to maximize > profit to the limit that the market will bear. They killed vinyl because it > costs more to make them, and the public is willing to pay less than a CD. The > claim was that vinyl wasn't selling, but the record companies made this a > self-fulfilling prophecy by reducing the number of vinyl records pressed! > Yeah, but don't forget the mainstream market!.. They don't wanna DJ or anything, and since CDs DO have a more error-free and clearer reproduction, and CDs are more easier to handle while more stuff fits on there, it is THE mainstream medium of choice!.. Sure, if they DID care about the minority of DJs etc, they would've kept the Vinyl running aside... but this would be the first time that in a business where maximum profit is all that counts the greedy fucks making the decisions would care for a minority! >:-) They make more money off a CD, be it cause it's easier to produce, they can fit a full album on one CD while it takes 2 Records or cause it's easier to handle! Summing up, this was no surprise for me at all.. Luckily enough there are still people fighting for Vinyl, friends of mine have just opened their own recordlabel, pressing HipHop-Underground stuff in quantities of 1000 to a few thousands.. Even the pretty conservative town i live next to with about 250.000 inhabitants has atleast 3 Recordstores that i know of... > The real maddening facts are that distributors make retail shops sign > exclusive agreements that they will not accept CDs from any other source. This > means that even if you print 1,000 of your own original CD, you can't even > drop them off at the local retail shop unless you can do it under the table. I > found this out when trying to arrange for distribution of my own CDs. > That's news to me! This really sucks, but this REALLY suits them.. Predictable, really!.. Kinda reminds me what a friend told me recently, he works at something like the german 'Best-buy' and Intel recently made them a good offer which also included that all the computer-salespeople had to sign a contract NOT to sell ANY Computer with an AMD, the competing CPU (More powerful, more 'fresh' in architecture and yet CHEAPER!)... So no matter how many good offers AMD makes them, they all go directly in the bin! That's about the same bullshit! i HATE it when it's not really the consumer that decides!! Marketing is like cancer, i grew to HATE it!.. Intel telling me that i need a Pentium-2 to get onto the Internet, or a P-3 to make it faster!! Micro$oft telling me that one can actually get things done with their shit and so on.... What happened to the idea of the FREE market?? Where is the government in this? why do they allow such practises?? Why don't they protect the consumer in this?? I read a theory that the gigantic global players, the "carnivore-capitalists" like i call them are turning into communism basically, which i thought was a very interesting idea!.. Especially since the sentence heard most often from Bill Gates' mouth is "Well, i think capitalism (alternatively: free market/competition) is a great thing!".. I mean - one hardly DOES have a choice besides M$ if one wants to make Graphics or Music and wants to use a PC!.. Kinda like Communism!.. You can NOT avoid them, and HAVE to use their product, no matter if you want!.. But i'm going astray with this now... I guess i'll never quit being an Illusionist dreaming of a better world!.. <:-) Gotta love my Mac and c64! <:-) > The other problem is record company greed. In the old days, when music was > not such a commodity, they were happy to sell thousands of records. 10,000 > copies was amazing. Then came Gold and Platinum and multi-platinum records. > The record companies are now addicted, and won't even give the time of day to a > small band that would sell merely 10,000 copies. Today's small bands might > sell more records than Elvis did (when he was alive - I'm not counting the > massive sales that are still going), but they cannot get them printed by a > major label. > I didn't know that sales increased so much!.. I'd have said that bands in the 50s already sold in 6-digit numbers atleast!.. Quite interesting.. But figures, really, since the increase in sales was due to MTV and the advent of MARKETING and all that PSYCHO-shit used in advertising etc... At one point in the 70s some record company official (the "Alpha-Asshole" if you will! >:-) decided that they would from now on not be the ones bringing the music to the people anymore, but the ones telling them what they had to listen to! Prolly cause he was pissed of at being dependant on the Musicians!.. So they made Psycho-studies what worked well with people, what they liked and made their music accordingly so they would sell maximum records!.. They had the Radiostations sign contracts to play what they tell them to etc... Subliminal Marketing/Advertising bullshit, Working with peoples dreams and emotions, 'Lifestyle'-BS etc..all helped them... We're nothing but cattle anymore and noone seems to care,, This is all so sad... Luckily there are glimpses in the dark sometimes like e.g. Orbital, c64 or Southpark! <;-) > After I learned all of this, I had the idea of starting a no-questions-asked > record company that would print any number of copies of a CD for any band. > Kind of like a Kinko's Copies for music CDs. The bands would have to pay for > the pressing just like they pay for printing their flyers. But despite the > potential legal problems with my idea, I soon learned that most small bands > have no idea how to manage money, they cannot even scrape together $100 to pool > together with other bands to make a compilation CD. So I can really see how > the record companies are able to get them to sign away their souls. > That's sad but this is the crative soul exploited by the greedy!.. And Band-Managers are just good for dealing with the record companies, most of the time they just suck up to them!.. <:-) DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "angel" Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Mp3 & Record companies... Date: 10 Nov 1999 10:40:54 -0800 If you wanna support the group, goto a show, bootleg the cd(live or studio) I'm sure they make more off you buying a concert tick than their 5% for the cd... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brandon Invergo Subject: (orbital) plaid live mix Date: 11 Nov 1999 11:56:43 -0800 (PST) quick question here: i was recently listening to the plaid live radio mix pt. 2 (http://www.gaialive.co.uk/cgi/ramgen.pl?ramfile=plaidpt2.rm&artist=plaid) and i was just wondering if anyone knows what the two songs that come in around 23 minutes. the first one that starts at that time is the one i'm really interested in, and the one after it (it may even be the same song, i'm not sure) is pretty good too. ok, i'm spent... brandon oh yeah, and who ever was talking about the lyrics to the box (i deleted the original message) concerning the line, as they wrote it, "ciause he's indestructable." i believe it's supposed to be "cause he's indestructable." he just added a little overly-british flare to it to the point that it wasn't even british sounding anymore. <---not a tear into the brits on the list or anything :) don't kick me. later ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) Ciause i like Orbital! 8) Date: 12 Nov 1999 00:33:04 +0000 > brandon > > oh yeah, and who ever was talking about the lyrics to > the box (i deleted the original message) concerning > the line, as they wrote it, "ciause he's > indestructable." i believe it's supposed to be "cause > he's indestructable." he just added a little > overly-british flare to it to the point that it wasn't > even british sounding anymore. <---not a tear into > the brits on the list or anything :) don't kick me. > > later Hehe, i know what it's SUPOOSED to sound like! 8) Acutally i wasn't really inquiring but rather trying to pull a joke! Didn't work too well as it seems... hmm.. 8) What i was going after is that it was some sorta glitch in his singing, a mistake if you will... I don't think it was on purpose!. It's certainly not an accent afaik, but any brits may prove me wrong! 8) DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno ." Subject: (orbital) NEW KRAFTWERK SINGLE - 12/6/99 Date: 12 Nov 1999 01:48:17 GMT K R A F T W E R K - E X P O 2 0 0 0 EMI ELECTROLA 8879842 (Maxi-CD Single) RELEASE DATE : 12/6/99 (Germany only ?) From de.rec.music.elektronisch: (Thanks Klaus Zaepke) [...] Tracklisting: 1 Expo 2000 Kling Klang Mix 2000 6.48 2 Expo 2000 Kling Klang Mix 2001 6.50 3 Expo 2000 Kling Klang Mix 2002 5.36 4 Expo 2000 Radio Mix 3.35 [...] Credits: Music Data - Hutter, Schneider, Hilpert. Kling Klang Musik/Sony Music Publishing Engineer - Fritz Hilpert kling klang studio P 1999 The copyright in this sound recording is owned by Kraftwerk under exclusive licence to EMI Electrola GmbH C 1999 EMI Electrola GmbH Kling Klang Produkt 1999 Ralf Hutter Florian Schneider Doepfer, Steinberg, Kawai, TC-Electronic, TC Works, Modern Concepts.Net, Quasimidi Original Expo Logo Qwer C Expo2000 Hannover Layout Lmp If you don't believe it, go to http://www.emimusic.de , and do a search for Expo 2000. This info is practically hidden from the site, as I guess EMI Germany wants to keep it a secret. NoiseWerker - "For God So Loved The World He ICQ # 42651237 Created The Roland TB-303" Bless You All. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nub Subject: (orbital) time sig crap Date: 11 Nov 1999 10:04:44 -0700 (MST) > Also, for the record, 4/4 + 3/4 would be 7/4 (sorry to be a pedant...) of course, of course - that was a stupid mistake. btw, the 3/4 black dog song from "bytes" is "carceres ex novum by xeper" (right after "caz by close up over"). what's the deal with all the pseudonyms on that record, anyway? and just for the hell of it, who the hell is "kraftwelt"? like the evil twin brothers of kraftwerk? i've been wondering that for years now... nub # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Juhana Sadeharju Subject: (orbital) Re: (yello) OT: More Computer Stuff Date: 11 Nov 1999 22:01:02 +0200 >From: "Juno ." > >Well, I apologize if this topic bored some of you out there the first time >it was mentioned, but that's what you have delete buttons for. Now I'm getting tired for that kind of stupidy. Please delete this guy from these mailing lists. Juhana # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul.French@psygnosis.co.uk Subject: Re: (orbital) cream/new year orbital Date: 12 Nov 1999 14:39:40 +0000 Paul French@PSYGNOSIS 11/12/99 02:39 PM Orbital are indeed on the bill at Liverpool pier head gig. Includes, Fat Boy and other acts are of a rock persuasion (Space, Stereophonics and a couple of others can't quite think at the moment). Tickets are 75+booking fee. There are also tickets that let you get in the Cream club also for 100+booking fee. Should be a fuckin' good night, shame I can't go its right on my doorstep. SteveC on Please respond to steve@fractalus.com cc: (bcc: Paul French/UK/PSYGNOSIS) hi gang aparently orbital are playing new years eve at cream in liverpool or something? Anyone have more details, anyone gonna go? I think its 70 quid... l8r -- SteveC steve@fractalus.com www.fractalus.com/fracsaver/ 2:01pm up 1:25, 1 user, load average: 0.23, 0.19, 0.14 AC on-line, battery status high: 100% Linux 2.2.13 i686 unknown # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gargin, Philip (Frankfurt)" Subject: RE: (orbital) cream/new year orbital Date: 12 Nov 1999 15:46:37 +0100 I'm going! Yeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssss! There's info on the Loopz site about it. I'd say some more but I'm leaving now. Phil > -----Original Message----- > From: SteveC [SMTP:steve@fractalus.com] > > hi gang > > aparently orbital are playing new years eve at cream in liverpool or something? Anyone have more details, anyone gonna go? I think its 70 quid... > > l8r > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) One word of warning: Date: 12 Nov 1999 16:45:42 +0000 Do NOT expose CDRs to direct sunlight!.. I would never have expected this to be possible, but my CDRs are standing just NEAR the window in a rack, all in Jewel Case with cover and shit, and most of them have dark spots on the side that was exposed to the sunlight!!! Luckily they still work somehow, but the outer tracks are lost!!! Fuck this!.. Wonder why i never heard ANYTHING about this!.. DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) time sig crap Date: 12 Nov 1999 16:45:42 +0000 > and just for the hell of it, who the hell is "kraftwelt"? like the evil > twin brothers of kraftwerk? i've been wondering that for years now... > > nub ..from what i figured through a friend who is into Dark Wave, this seems to be just a German Dark Wave/Gothic band... Kinda like Sisters of Mercy, you know? Or Rammstein, though they are considered a Sellout in the dark scene... The Gothic Scene is closely connected to Electronic/Synth Music, so Kraftwerk are gods for them, too, hence the name i guess... Kind of a 'hommage' to Kraftwerk! 8)) I found a whole album once by Kraftwelt that was misnamed as Kraftwerk!.. Here was me all joyful and happy to have found a Kraftwerk-album i didn't know about until i listened to it!... >:-( DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) time sig crap Date: 12 Nov 1999 16:45:42 +0000 > and just for the hell of it, who the hell is "kraftwelt"? like the evil > twin brothers of kraftwerk? i've been wondering that for years now... > > nub ..from what i figured through a friend who is into Dark Wave, this seems to be just a German Dark Wave/Gothic band... Kinda like Sisters of Mercy, you know? Or Rammstein, though they are considered a Sellout in the dark scene... The Gothic Scene is closely connected to Electronic/Synth Music, so Kraftwerk are gods for them, too, hence the name i guess... Kind of a 'hommage' to Kraftwerk! 8)) I found a whole album once by Kraftwelt that was misnamed as Kraftwerk!.. Here was me all joyful and happy to have found a Kraftwerk-album i didn't know about until i listened to it!... >:-( DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) One word of warning: Date: 12 Nov 1999 16:45:42 +0000 Do NOT expose CDRs to direct sunlight!.. I would never have expected this to be possible, but my CDRs are standing just NEAR the window in a rack, all in Jewel Case with cover and shit, and most of them have dark spots on the side that was exposed to the sunlight!!! Luckily they still work somehow, but the outer tracks are lost!!! Fuck this!.. Wonder why i never heard ANYTHING about this!.. DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) LIVERPOOL! Date: 12 Nov 1999 14:34:27 -0500 SteveC wrote: > > hi gang > > aparently orbital are playing new years eve at cream in liverpool or something? Anyone have more details, anyone gonna go? I think its 70 quid... > > l8r > SteveC steve@fractalus.com www.fractalus.com/fracsaver/ > 2:01pm up 1:25, 1 user, load average: 0.23, 0.19, 0.14 > AC on-line, battery status high: 100% > Linux 2.2.13 i686 unknown hacker! ;) !FUK I WANNA GO TO LIVERPOOL! I even checked into flights but would have had to get over 2 weeks ahead and my wife couldn't get off from work [teachers!] !So I ainnngowina make it dis time! !Am going to NY though! Maybe there will be a simulcast of it somewhere! hmmmm Have fun! Get a recording if you make it! And thanx again for those Plaid tracks way back at the beginning of the summer. wish I had seen 'em on tour with the mighty O! ShanON + ON + ON! ______________ s. k. campbell _____________________ UT.Med.Ctr.@Knoxville The Image Processing Lab # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: (orbital) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: 12 Nov 1999 19:39:54 +0000 listed on Juno Records midweek listing: >ORBITAL: Belfast (Sasha vs The Light remix)/Nothing Left (Breeder, Pariah, >Les Rythmes Digitales mixes) (FFRR double 12" promo: ESPDJ 010 [8.99]) >Prime cheers, Jon - "Please hand the bird book back to the library by Tuesday, or you'll have to pay an extra Deutschmark." E&OE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Heh heh- sorry. Date: 12 Nov 1999 18:46:43 -0500 Well, today I turned 19! Woo hoo! I think I've been on this list for over 2 years now, and my musical taste has really evolved since then. I just want to thank everyone who makes this list up because I just love the ability to access information as quickly and thoroughly as we, as a community, provide. I hope to be part of the list for a long, long time, and I'm glad that I'm regarded as a good member (at least I think I am = )). Well, I'm off to the strip club. Err, hockey game that is. -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Juhana Sadeharju Subject: (orbital) Re: (yello) NEW KRAFTWERK SINGLE - 12/6/99 Date: 12 Nov 1999 19:57:21 +0200 >From: "Juno ." > >K R A F T W E R K - E X P O 2 0 0 0 Hey, grow up! Stop posting non-yello articles to Yello list. Simply: don't crosspost! Also, your article generates more noise to lists if more people start replying to your articles. And certainly annoy people who are in several of those mailing list and have to see your postings multiple times. Juhana # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Blake" Subject: (orbital) RE: (klf) Orbital and Dr. Who Date: 13 Nov 1999 09:15:15 -0000 -----Original Message----- Sent: 11 November 1999 21:15 > >November 13. >A themed night celebrating the much loved on-the-cheap BBC sci fi show I heard about this too, Pete Tong mentioned it last night. I shall be looking out for Tom Bakers scarf (my dad made it you see, just a useless bit of trivia!) Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony N Gall Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: (yello) NEW KRAFTWERK SINGLE - 12/6/99 Date: 13 Nov 1999 04:06:41 -0600 (CST) haha! definitely the funniest post this week! :) On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > > >From: "Juno ." > > > >K R A F T W E R K - E X P O 2 0 0 0 > > Hey, grow up! Stop posting non-yello articles to Yello list. > Simply: don't crosspost! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Margaret Hadam" Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: (yello) NEW KRAFTWERK SINGLE - 12/6/99 Date: 13 Nov 1999 09:58:24 -0600 I didn't know about the single and was happy that the post was made... you know there are people in the world who listen to more then orbital and appreciate any news they can get >>> Anthony N Gall 11/13 4:06 AM >>> haha! definitely the funniest post this week! :)...thanks Juno :) On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > > >From: "Juno ." > > > >K R A F T W E R K - E X P O 2 0 0 0 > > Hey, grow up! Stop posting non-yello articles to Yello list. > Simply: don't crosspost! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: (yello) NEW KRAFTWERK SINGLE - 12/6/99 Date: 14 Nov 1999 05:09:14 +0000 From: "Margaret Hadam" Yeah, in regards to Juno's original post you're right, but i guess what Anthony meant (and what i personally also considered fuckin funny! 8) was that Juhana complained about crossposting with a crosspost (obviously this was meant for the Yello list! 8))) Fighting fire with fire, hmm... 8) Or was it the blind leading the blind! ;-D No offence, Juno, you know i love ya! 8) DeeKay > > I didn't know about the single and was happy that the post was > made... > > you know there are people in the world who listen to more then > orbital and appreciate any news they can get > > >>> Anthony N Gall 11/13 4:06 AM >>> > > haha! definitely the funniest post this week! :)...thanks Juno :) > > On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > > > > > >From: "Juno ." > > > > > >K R A F T W E R K - E X P O 2 0 0 0 > > > > Hey, grow up! Stop posting non-yello articles to Yello list. > > Simply: don't crosspost! > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital and Dr. Who Date: 14 Nov 1999 10:02:02 GMT > >November 13. > >A themed night celebrating the much loved on-the-cheap BBC sci fi show > >I heard about this too, Pete Tong mentioned it last night. I shall be >looking out for Tom Bakers scarf (my dad made it you see, just a useless >bit >of trivia!) It's.... it's.... a carnival... a carnival of monsters... a carnival of monster for everybody else... Watched it, good theme night, BBC are getting the hang of it nowadays. But still, did Orbital do the music for the Carnival of Monsters, or the whole thing. I guess they had the new Dr. Who track which is a good, more upbeat version of the old one. But as I seem to remember, most of the music on Carnival... was a lot of classical music really. Tom Baker btw, he wasn't the first doctor, how come he's the one everyone knows so well? Cheers, Trym (making a fine Dalek with his toilet plunger) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: (orbital) Call Santa now, 50p per minute maximum charge Date: 14 Nov 1999 20:01:48 +0000 >From: deekay@mail.dfu.de >Subject: (orbital) Re: Mp3 & Record companies... Marketing is like cancer, i grew to HATE it!.. Intel telling me that i need a Pentium-2 to get onto the Internet, or a P-3 to make it faster!! Micro$oft telling me that one can actually get things done with their shit and so on.... What happened to the idea of the FREE market?? Where is the government in this? why do they allow such practises?? Why don't they protect the consumer in this?? Sadly I think the corporations have more control over the governments than the other way around. And anyway most politicians spend their time telling people what they want to hear in order to get the votes, rather than what needs to be said. An example is the development of non-polluting transportation for everybody..it's defiantly not in the interests of the oil companys, also how many people could (or want to) afford a new car ? But ideally it will happen. Oil companys could keep their prices artificially low if they really needed to, which would be the next obstacle..and even though the technology exists we are not even that far down the line yet. It's easier not to do anything...I know because I'm an expert at being lazy! 'Marketing is like cancer'. :-) Food for thought defiantly ! The saturday morning television full of adverts targeted at children - they all end up wanting the stuff so badly, if they are lucky they get it and then get bored of it really quick. People spending most of their lives in factorys building these things too, time they could spend making better toys or being with their children or whatever...but the mortgage needs to be paid ! If the companys with excess profits are still obsessed with themselves and won't handle the responsibilitys that they have taken away from the government what options are there ? You can buy your toilet paper from somewhere else but what about the weapons that are sold abroad ? The free market needs a degree of control from above or below just to stop us being blown up by our own missiles ! Well, I hope it does..or it needs to control itself somehow..whatever, all I know is theres something wrong. Many peoples main motivation to work is little more than fear of loosing their home, a debt orginally created by the 'magical' ways of the banking system..and if thats to be of positive use to society as a whole then it needs to be properly guided, that power all going over to financialy top heavy corporations with their own short sighted 'mission statements' isn't the way to go as far as I'm concerned. I don't know if all these companys competing with each other would actually bring about communism (perhaps if it all crashed or something) but I do think there may be a backlash if things go too far down that road. If you look at mp3 as being a backlash against the centralisation of the music 'industry', then another splitting off might be people printing their own money, not counterfeit..just different money altogether and trading with it. As there are people trying to get rid of mp3 you can bet there would be people trying to make that illegal too if it got popular...fear is a great motivator ! In a magazine I read recently I saw this machine that you can use to make your own vinyl, it does cost about 4 thousand quid but, I think it will mean that more small record companies can have a go, and vinyl will not have to die just yet. The mp3 mixers aren't quite up to it yet anyway IMO. :-) Also if shops won't accept good CD's from sources other than record companies, then the future will hold good opportunities for a different kind of shop. ;-) I'm unsubscribing now until at least Febuary, I'll miss reading everybodys posts and being on the net. If you see Santa, kill him...otherwise everybody have a very happy Christmas. ;-) Byee, -- -- Mark S-D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Hooray! Marketing! Date: 14 Nov 1999 15:42:24 EST Mark S-D wrote: "Marketing is like cancer" HAHAHAHAHAHA Did I mention that I study marketing? :)))) Hey, I'll be the first to admit that corporations rape their customers and stuff, but you have to realize that they are only filling demand. I mean, come on, anyone who goes to business school for 5 minutes can understand the "supply fills demand" lesson. The corporations do marketing research and figure out the best way to sell their product or service to you. You can either choose to buy it or not, but as soon as you do you become a statistic, a success for the corporation if you will, which causes the corporation to KEEP doing what it is doing, because their mission is to sell, and they have obviously succeeded. Then, why should they stop what works!? If you don't want to buy something, then don't buy it. We'll see how long that business lasts then! Don't blame the businesses that sell the goods, blame the people that buy them. Despite what you might think, you aren't forced to buy that CD you wanted so much for $17, but you did, so everyone should be thanking you for allowing that corporation to stay in business, and continue it's operations just as it did before. People have to be smarter than to believe that the corporations have the power, because they simply don't. The consumers have the purchasing power, which is all that matters, and we need to use our brains and sift through their advertising/marketing shit and recognize the implications of our purchases. Oh, by the way, for anyone out there going to an American university with more than 15,000 students, if you see TIME Magazine on your campus trying to sell you their miserable publication, remember that I was part of the marketing team and we recognized YOU as our target market. (Don't ask me how, I don't read that shit. NewsWeek is the way to go!). As an example to prove my point, if you choose to buy this publication, you are SUPPORTING the research I did, and you are in turn telling TIME magazine that they were not wrong in their decision to market toward you. The same goes for anything, concert tickets (Juno and others, I remember you complaining how much ticketmaster ripped us all off for the Community Service Tour!), CDs, Software, electronics, clothing, etc. It's all the same. They don't pick the price of this stuff out of thin air! They researched the price that people are willing and able to pay for this shit, and since we keep paying it, I guess they're right! :)) Jumping off my soapbox, Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: (orbital) Re: Hooray! Marketing! Date: 14 Nov 1999 22:01:47 +0000 At 15:42 14/11/99 -0500, you wrote: >Mark S-D wrote: > >"Marketing is like cancer" > >HAHAHAHAHAHA Did I mention that I study marketing? :)))) It was DeeKay that said that ! (Hi..!) And I think he was half joking, but all the same - it can be true ! Thanks for your post, I enjoyed reading it, and I think it's also true ! But..(theres always a but)...'Blame the people that buy them'..isn't that just an excuse for avoiding responsibility ? What about if my country or your country sells weapons to some unstable country, and they blow up your friends or children (or mine..not that I have children mind you!), sure you can blame them but your friends and children will still be dead which they might not have been if the corporation hadn't marketed their product so effectively ! >People have to be smarter than to believe that the corporations have the power, because they simply don't. True, like I said you can always buy your toilet rolls from somewhere else...usually...unless you are as powerfull as Micro$oft in which case the whole world would be using your toilet rolls, actually...I wish they would grab hold of that market so I can wipe my arse on something deserving. >Despite what you might think, you aren't forced to buy that CD you wanted so much for $17, but you did, so everyone should be thanking you for allowing that corporation to stay in business, and continue it's operations just as it did before. But I'm still waiting for my thankyou letter from Guru Josh ? 'Dear Mark, I know my record was rubbish but..' Oh ! There it is.. >Oh, by the way, for anyone out there going to an American university with >more than 15,000 students, if you see TIME Magazine on your campus trying >to sell you their miserable publication, remember that I was part of the >marketing team and we recognized YOU as our target market. (Don't ask me >how, I don't read that shit. NewsWeek is the way to go!). As an example to >prove my point, if you choose to buy this publication, you are SUPPORTING >the research I did, and you are in turn telling TIME magazine that they >were not wrong in their decision to market toward you. Forgive yourself, just move on...you can't change the past you know ! Sorry, I'm only joking..I would disagree with TIME magazines quick assumption that it's ok to market towards me..but apart from that I've no real problem with that. Every bugger and his best mates dog is assuming it's ok to go off marketing at people...the moon will just be a winking Ronald McDonald at this rate...and babies will have Coca-Cola stamped on their forehead at birth (to cover the cost of hospital staff!) >They researched the price that people are willing and able to pay for this >shit, and since we keep paying it, I guess they're right! :)) No, they are wrong for ripping people off. :-P No excuse for not caring, what goes around comes around and all that... People can get things wrong but I believe they should have good intentions to begin with, and not just say oh well the worlds a fucked up place anyway so who cares...lets rip off some stupid people (me!), or lets rip off some innocent people (children!). How about this..the five year olds buy the crack but then..they are willing to pay the silly prices for it ! You take responsibity upon yourself ('since we keep paying it') and for a reason I would guess - is it right that others shouldn't ? >Jumping off my soapbox, >Rob Me too....boing. Sorry to anybody who wants to insult me or whatever, really have to unsubscribe now. :'( Byee, -- -- Mark S-D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Brunet Subject: (orbital) TV Disc in the works? Date: 14 Nov 1999 19:03:53 -0500 Hello all! This question is mostly for Steve, but I thought that all might want to know his reply (although I feel fairly certain that we won't be pleased by it). Given that in the past couple of years, Orbital have composed both main title and incidental music for a number of programs on the BBC (The Visit, TX:Nothing, Dr. Who Night), is there *any* possibility in the near future that FFRR will release a compilation disc of this material? It seems like the volume in minutes is there, the quality (from what I've heard) is amazing, and the BBC is usually pretty good about rights, if what I've heard is correct concerning licensing and television comps. I know that I'm being a bit greedy wanting new material after MoN and with another disc in production already for 2000, but I'd love to get those TV tracks in decent quality..... Listers - remember, Steve has no say in whether this disc is made. While I'm all for it, please don't inundate him with requests for something he has no control over. Sorry to be condescending, but there have been quite a few "hey Steve, I'm in (place), and Orbital aren't coming here on tour. Can you make then come here?" type of requests. The man has power (thanks again for Brixton, Steve - I *still* owe you a pint), but not limitless power : ) Until next de-lurking, Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Promo - Nothing Left - onsite at Loopz Date: 15 Nov 1999 00:05:51 -0000 Its on the Loopz site - Head to the DISCOG section and look at Nothing left page Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk P.s. new years on the mersey ? :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listed on Juno Records midweek listing: >ORBITAL: Belfast (Sasha vs The Light remix)/Nothing Left (Breeder, Pariah, >Les Rythmes Digitales mixes) (FFRR double 12" promo: ESPDJ 010 [8.99]) >Prime cheers, Jon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: Fwd: [Fwd: (orbital) Hooray! Marketing!] Date: 15 Nov 1999 05:00:19 +0000 Robert Schultz wrote: > Mark S-D wrote: > > "Marketing is like cancer" > > HAHAHAHAHAHA Did I mention that I study marketing? :)))) > > Hey, I'll be the first to admit that corporations rape their customers and > stuff, but you have to realize that they are only filling demand. I mean, > come on, anyone who goes to business school for 5 minutes can understand the > "supply fills demand" lesson. The corporations do marketing research and > figure out the best way to sell their product or service to you. You can > either choose to buy it or not, but as soon as you do you become a > statistic, a success for the corporation if you will, which causes the > corporation to KEEP doing what it is doing, because their mission is to > sell, and they have obviously succeeded. Then, why should they stop what > works!? If you don't want to buy something, then don't buy it. We'll see how > long that business lasts then! Don't blame the businesses that sell the > goods, blame the people that buy them. Despite what you might think, you > aren't forced to buy that CD you wanted so much for $17, but you did, so > everyone should be thanking you for allowing that corporation to stay in > business, and continue it's operations just as it did before. > Sorry, but what other option do i have since i just happen to live in the western world? I have NO FUCKING CHOICE but to take part in this shitty game that the marketing people and the corporations play!.. I NEED to eat, i NEED to be able to buy things that i wanna have!.. But maybe i want to make up my own mind, and not have it manipulated by marketing? Like: "The Pentium 3 makes the internet faster!" Marketing manipulates people.. it is not about figuring out how to get your product to the people that would like it, it has long passed that stage... it is about CREATING a need!.. By playing with everyones dreams, wishes, greeds and instincts!.. E.g. Sex sells... Have a shitty product? Wrap it in tits and it will sell like hell!.. What will this lead to? Well, i dunno for sure, but my guess will be that a) the de-personalization will continue, everyone will just be a figure, put in a certain drawer, a potential buyer, not someone you as a a seller should respect but that is looked upon as potential prey!.. Not with me!.. Alteast not where i can prevent it!.. b) the "bullshit-filters" (thanks marc for that word! 8) will grow bigger... and bigger... and bigger... and what will happen? noone knows, but i kinda thought that the idea in Johnny Mnemonic wasn't too far fetched, a nervous disease caused by too much information overflow!.. What is almost certain is that it will decrease the humans' ability to socialize, as blocking something seems the primary task, hence you are no more open towards other people, too!.. It'a all about figures these days.. Programmes are judged by TV ratings (no matter if a small group of people was made very happy because it was what they always wanted to see on TV!.. The lower the ratings, the less can be demanded for the commercials! Prostitution is what it's all about, just like in the Music "industry"!,, Market shares, potential buyers, just figures... Sales, how big are the sales, too low? you're fired!.. Who can blame people when their primary task is to look after their own neck? But in a world with an increasing population turning ego is prolly the worst thing to do.. Still, exactly this overpopulation causes extreme competition and causes this ego-effect! So my point is that it is just Too many fucking people on this world!.. That's the basic problem! Competition is basically okay, as long as the market is big enough for every company involved to get along well... as soon as there are too many competitiors, the cheating starts and all the predatory practises and intrigues and strong-arm tactics! Cause then the instinctive need to survive cuts in, no matter at what cost!.. "I have a family to feed!" - "Well, what about the guy you just ruined" - "Fuck him, my own family is more important to me!"... who CAN blame him really??? 2000 applications for the job? Well, the one that gives the boss a blowjob gets the job!.. Too many people, too many competitors, too many companies, all fighting for money and most often survival!.. when all most people want is make a living... > People have to be smarter than to believe that the corporations have the > power, because they simply don't. The consumers have the purchasing power, > which is all that matters, and we need to use our brains and sift through > their advertising/marketing shit and recognize the implications of our > purchases. > Ah come on!.. We're nothing but cattle to the companies!.. They're manipulating our minds wherever we walk!.. MTV, Commercials, Radio, Internet (just starting!) They have long taken control over the whole thing!.. cause they have marketing researched, psychological examinations that tell them EXACTLY how to sell the most!.. And nobody protects you, you're a helpless victim as you don't realize in what subtle way they manipulate you! On Zoo-TV U2 had some Video footage saying "Right now, you are being manipulated by TV!" - and that's exactly it!.. While reading these words, it actually got a thought in my head running and manipulated me by doing so! And that's what we're about, we're nothing but puppets to the ones that know the tricks!.. Ofcourse they want our money!.. that's all they want!.. Like the record companies!.. they don't wanna bring the people happiness and joy (like M$, with THE WORLD'S RICHEST MAN ON TOP likes to claim - yeah, right, Bill, you were never after sales! You wanted to be our saviour!) through music or something, they just wanna SELL, no matter what!.. and if it means ripping off musicians or creating artificial bands when they see a need in some area, they'll fucken do it!.. If that's what it's about it sucks hard.... But to claim WE would have the power as WE decide in the end who gets our money is bull, especially in America where consuming by now seems like a genetic defect people were born with, while it was actually implanted by exactly these marketing people! It's merely about WHICH of the vultures gets the money, not IF they get our money!.. It's exactly like the puppet that children fight over, one pulls on one arm, the other on the other arm... well, some day the puppet will rip apart, don't ask me all the things this metaphor could mean now! 8) > Oh, by the way, for anyone out there going to an American university with > more than 15,000 students, if you see TIME Magazine on your campus trying to > sell you their miserable publication, remember that I was part of the > marketing team and we recognized YOU as our target market. (Don't ask me > how, I don't read that shit. NewsWeek is the way to go!). As an example to > prove my point, if you choose to buy this publication, you are SUPPORTING > the research I did, and you are in turn telling TIME magazine that they were > not wrong in their decision to market toward you. The same goes for > anything, concert tickets (Juno and others, I remember you complaining how > much ticketmaster ripped us all off for the Community Service Tour!), CDs, > Software, electronics, clothing, etc. It's all the same. They don't pick the > price of this stuff out of thin air! They researched the price that people > are willing and able to pay for this shit, and since we keep paying it, I > guess they're right! :)) > What option DO we have if we e.g. wanna see Orbital???? YOU HAVE NO CHOICE!.. and no chance, too!.. I would like to stress that i'm not a communist or something, and i think capitalism is basically okay, so is competition, there are just TOO many 'participants' to make either one work in an acceptable way!.. Rob, i really would like to know from you where you see us moving towards!.. I mean, if it is all so great and will increase the way it does, with the corporations being so big and everyone screaming "Hail capitalism! Go Money, go stocks!".... Mark S-D wrote: >No, they are wrong for ripping people off. :-P No excuse for not >caring, what goes around comes around and all that... People can get >things wrong but I believe they should have good intentions to begin >with, and not just say oh well the worlds a fucked up place anyway >so who cares...lets rip off some stupid people (me!), or lets rip >off some innocent people (children!). How about this..the five year >olds buy the crack but then..they are willing to pay the silly >prices for it ! You take responsibity upon yourself ('since we keep >paying it') and for a reason I would guess - is it right that others >shouldn't ? Exactly my point!.. One thing i hate most is when they prey on the ones that can be manipulated the easiest, the children! And i've heard the "We/they just give people what they want! Nothing wrong with that!"-speech way too often... but that's wrong! But thinking about the consequences of what you're doing would actually demand ethics, and ethics are an ancient, old out-dated philosophy, right? >:-( One is erhically done with going to church, saying a few prayers and maybe pay $20 a month for a thrid-world child... If I voice ethical doubts at work like "we really shouldn't be deciding on product X as we would a company that does wrong Y" i'm generally smiled at and i just know they consider me a dreamer.. That's the reality!.. I'm no hippie, and i'm pretty realist but I know that i should do my share to change the world, cause if we ALL did, we'd have done it ages ago!.. Mind your head! It is being fucked with all the time! Call me a dreamer if you will, but you all KNOW i'm right!... Even if if might contradict the virtues you're living after! Being philosophical today, in his sundayly depression, DeeKay P.S.: thanks for reading this far!.. I hope you don't think the time was spent in vain!.. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: Fwd: [Fwd: (orbital) Hooray! Marketing!] Date: 14 Nov 1999 23:15:26 EST Well, I guess I'm just going to have to drop out of business school and become a hobo. Then, I'll get everything I want, and for free. Rob PS. I don't own a TV. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gargin, Philip (Frankfurt)" Subject: (orbital) V99 pictures/sample Date: 15 Nov 1999 11:51:50 +0100 I've finally got round to slamming some photos on my web site from the Chelmsford V99 gig. I've also stuck an MP3 of Dr Who there, for a laugh (respect in the house to angel). http://www.gudger.demon.co.uk/orbital Phil See you all in Liverpool 31st December then. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Blake" Subject: (orbital) RE: (klf) Orbital and Dr. Who Date: 15 Nov 1999 15:53:44 -0000 -----Original Message----- From Culf Sent: 15 November 1999 12:23 >> I heard about this too, Pete Tong mentioned it last night. I shall be >> looking out for Tom Bakers scarf (my dad made it you see, just a useless >> bit of trivia!) >That's funny, Tom said some little old lady in the London area made it. That's right, my dad manufactured the replacement. My brother & I were fortunate enough to be invited inside BBC TV Centre to watch an episode being filmed when we went with my dad to deliver the scarf to June Hudson (the costume designer at the time). My dad was a little put out that after all the hard work making it, they made holes in it and generally roughed it up to give it the "Lived In" look. We met Tom Baker and his assistant on the set and also sat next to Ronnie Barker in the canteen when we had lunch. It was quite an exciting day for a 10 year old! Culf, I've sent you a picture of my brother & I wearing the scarf which I thought you may find interesting. Especially the 'basin' haircuts! Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Brunet Subject: (orbital) new promo 12" trade Date: 15 Nov 1999 13:30:35 -0500 Hello All. A general notice to all about "new" mixes: Out now via juno.co.uk ORBITAL: Belfast (Sasha vs The Light remix)/Nothing Left (Breeder, Pariah, Les Rythmes Digitales mixes) (ASF) (MP3) (FFRR double 12" promo: ESPDJ 010 [8.99]) Prime I don't own decks, but would love copies of these tunes. I've got plenty of rare orbital to trade in digital format (boots and such - please don't flame me about mp3). Please email me privately so as not to disturb the list. Thanks, Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ihastarla@aol.com Subject: Re: (orbital) OT: More Computer Stuff Date: 16 Nov 1999 00:43:09 EST i would recommend to anyone to buy a new g4 over a pc i havent gotten to play around on the g4s yet but the newest g3s have alot of power when it comes to audio and video and especially graphics another thing is that when you look on the equipment lists for many artists most of them have a g3 ..im not so sure about the differences between imacs and the g3 or g4 i would pick up the latest (i belive) wired magazine i heard that it has an article about what you can get in an imac or a g3/g4 good luck :) * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Carver" Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital and Dr. Who Date: 16 Nov 1999 13:27:22 GMT >From: "Trym Asserson" >Watched it, good theme night, BBC are getting the hang of it nowadays. But >still, did Orbital do the music for the Carnival of Monsters, or the whole >thing. I guess they had the new Dr. Who track which is a good, more upbeat >version of the old one. But as I seem to remember, most of the music on >Carnival... was a lot of classical music really. > >Tom Baker btw, he wasn't the first doctor, how come he's the one everyone >knows so well? > >Cheers, > >Trym (making a fine Dalek with his toilet plunger) I saw that too. Tom Baker is so well known because a) he was in Dr. Who for seven years, and b) he is often looking for things like the Dr. Who night to pay the rent with. Also, I think that a lot of the music used in that came from 'Max' by Future Sound of London; some other stuff might have come from Eno or something? Steve kingdubby@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim L. Jones" Subject: Re: (orbital) OT: More Computer Stuff Date: 16 Nov 1999 17:58:58 -0500 One other thing -- I wouldn't mind having a G3 PowerBook tho ;-) I got a tip on getting one soo.. we'll see.. Jim J. -----Original Message----- > >i would recommend to anyone >to buy a new g4 over a pc >i havent gotten to play around on the g4s yet >but the newest g3s have alot of power >when it comes to audio and video >and especially graphics # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim L. Jones" Subject: Re: (orbital) OT: More Computer Stuff Date: 16 Nov 1999 17:51:55 -0500 This may be a moot point, but I'm not so sure the Mac's advantages are going to stay that way at least at the processor level. I remember reading somewhere about how the performance difference CPU wise was 2.64 - 3 times as fast (G3/4 vs Pentium III). But that was probably before AMD made available the Athlon CPU which are available in flavors from 500MHz on up to 900MHz (with 1GHz available beginning in 2K) Not wanting to start any argument, but just reminding people its not so much the hardware than software. I use windoze, and am at times quite frustrated with it. But still I think its pretty impressive that speeds are still increasing and besides, I'd sure like to see a comparison of the G4 vs Athlon.. since it (Athlon) is the fastest x86 architecture CPU available.. just food for thought.. and not all performers use Macs for music and there are some quite decent audio applications available for the PC.. Jim J. ps -- id sure like to see apple/motorola/ibm make the damned PowerPC in that speed range (600MHz +) then you'd hear nothing from me.. those systems would really smoke!! -----Original Message----- > >i would recommend to anyone >to buy a new g4 over a pc >i havent gotten to play around on the g4s yet >but the newest g3s have alot of power >when it comes to audio and video >and especially graphics # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) OT: More Computer Stuff Date: 17 Nov 1999 03:53:00 +0000 > > This may be a moot point, but I'm not so sure > the Mac's advantages are going to stay that way > at least at the processor level. I remember > reading somewhere about how the performance > difference CPU wise was 2.64 - 3 times as fast > (G3/4 vs Pentium III). But that was probably > before AMD made available the Athlon CPU > which are available in flavors from 500MHz > on up to 900MHz (with 1GHz available beginning > in 2K) Wrong. The G4 was released after the Athlon came out!.. It is, however true that the comparisons of a G4 are usually done with a P3, cause Intel is the big bully that needs to be fought!.. I think it's just fair towards AMD! 8) > Not wanting to start any argument, but just > reminding people its not so much the hardware > than software. I use windoze, and am at times > quite frustrated with it. But still I think its pretty > impressive that speeds are still increasing > and besides, I'd sure like to see a comparison > of the G4 vs Athlon.. since it (Athlon) is the fastest > x86 architecture CPU available.. > You a) can't compare mere Mhz when comparing Macs vs Wintel machines, Macs are known to work much better at much less MHz!.. Besides, the big plus of the G4 is it's Altivec/Velocity Engine, and this is, from what i figured something like one badass 128bit floatingpoint unit that makes it perform similar to a DSP.. not just some minor kinky enhancements to the opcodes like MMX/KNI/3Dnow 8) It's kinda like Motorola showing the bunch what a CPU extension should be like! >:-) > just food for thought.. > and not all performers use Macs for music > and there are some quite decent audio > applications available for the PC.. > Hehe! 8) Sure there are! 8) I can also let Photoshop 5 run on a 386! ;-D It's down to the useability, and another thing is that i have yet to hear from someone overcoming the exact midi-timing-problem with PCs... I know no real studio that does lots production that uses PCs!.. The apps are there, sure, but it depends which platform runs them BETTER! 8) And this is still the Mac from what i see... Why not leave the Mac it's niche??? Why not let the Macs do the jobs they're best suited for, like Audio and GFX stuff?? Why squeeze everything on the worse x86/Windows architecture just for the sake of it being available, when there are much better solutions? Don't get me started on 3D!.. SGI rulez... This is just due to the centralization around the PC, the Wintel-promoted scheme of the PC having to be the platform to do ALL the stuff at once!.. No wonder it's all patchwork and crashes so much!.. Why not have DEDICATED systems?? DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nub Subject: (orbital) mr. oakenfold Date: 16 Nov 1999 16:01:45 -0700 (MST) this is completely non-orbital-related, but i thought i might post a little review, just for kicks: paul oakenfold, ogden theatre, denver alex paterson (the orb) opened with a varied assortment of trance, techno, house, jungle, dub, etc. pretty much all over the place. his music selection was far better than his mixing however. i was down on the floor for awhile, but the mentholatum fumes and throngs of rolling 16-yr-olds eventually drove my girlfriend and i up to the 21+ balcony. which was cool, cuz there was a view, a bar, room to dance, and chairs to sit in. then some other guy came on for an hour or so (vitamin d? dave ralph?) - not sure exactly who, but he spun some fairly good hard trance which the crowd seemed to dig. then there he was, the one and only p.oakenfold, who for two hours dropped epic after monster trance epic. the mixing was flawless, as you might expect from the "world's most succesful dj." (i heard that's what the guiness book calls him. how do they measure success? and how did he get so big dancing like THAT? :P) what really impressed me was the way this guy had complete control over the crowd. every track was a stomper, and the audience just ate it up one after another. he also did a great job of playing up to everyone, which invoked near-idolatry in response. bottom line: this was an amazing show (i won't call it a rave or party, cuz it was in a venue like a band would normally play). if any of the trance-inclined of you (fake, real, it's all the same to me) get a chance to see mr. oakenfold, i highly recommend it. i'm also thinking of checking out terry francis this weekend. has anyone seen him spin before, and if so, can you tell me what to expect? and if anyone has seen oaky, i'd be interested in hearing what you thought. finally, i have a curiosity question. i know that once upon a time there were a bunch of gearheads on this list, but i fear they may have unsubbed. anyway, here's the question: is there a particular keyboard or synth that is often used to make this kind of epic trance? you know, the smooth, acidy, but percussive synth washes and loops? i'm no expert, but i could swear i heard many of the same kinds of sounds throughout the night. i'm just looking for a popular make and model, i guess. something that gets used more often than others. that's it. sorry to clog your mailboxes... nub # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?Sm9vbmEgUPZ5aPZuZW4=?=" Subject: (orbital) any news on new album? Date: 17 Nov 1999 08:52:35 -0800 Does someone have any new news on Orbital's upcoming album? When it's due to come out etc....thankz -joona # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul.French@psygnosis.co.uk Subject: Re: (orbital) any news on new album? Date: 17 Nov 1999 09:19:15 +0000 --0__=1idY3XfdPvvmxUoRvp9shXUcKlPphK5Nyvp8PftsS5E94GcyYaLUfO6t Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Paul French@PSYGNOSIS 11/17/99 09:19 AM Jesus, man, give them a break. They have only just finished..we want quality not quantity (well I do) "Joona P --0__=1idY3XfdPvvmxUoRvp9shXUcKlPphK5Nyvp8PftsS5E94GcyYaLUfO6t Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =F6yh=F6nen" on 17/11/99 16:52:35 cc: (bcc: Paul French/UK/PSYGNOSIS) = --0__=1idY3XfdPvvmxUoRvp9shXUcKlPphK5Nyvp8PftsS5E94GcyYaLUfO6t Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Does someone have any new news on Orbital's upcoming album? When it's due to come out etc....thankz -joona # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital --0__=1idY3XfdPvvmxUoRvp9shXUcKlPphK5Nyvp8PftsS5E94GcyYaLUfO6t-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daFinn Subject: Re:(orbital) mr. oakenfold Date: 17 Nov 1999 10:23:13 +0100 > >bottom line: this was an amazing show (i won't call it a rave or party, >cuz it was in a venue like a band would normally play). if any of the >trance-inclined of you (fake, real, it's all the same to me) get a chance >to see mr. oakenfold, i highly recommend it. >i'm also thinking of checking out terry francis this weekend. has anyone >seen him spin before, and if so, can you tell me what to expect? and if >anyone has seen oaky, i'd be interested in hearing what you thought. I was amazed too about the way the Oak held the crowd at homelands, Dublin. Same thing with the choice and mixing of music. >finally, i have a curiosity question. i know that once upon a time there >were a bunch of gearheads on this list, but i fear they may have unsubbed. >anyway, here's the question: is there a particular keyboard or synth that >is often used to make this kind of epic trance? you know, the smooth, >acidy, but percussive synth washes and loops? i'm no expert, but i could >swear i heard many of the same kinds of sounds throughout the night. i'm >just looking for a popular make and model, i guess. something that gets >used more often than others. You're absolutely right about the sdame sounds being used... Trance (whatever) is one of the genres that have the most rigid sets of sounds (IMHO) - it must sound the right way - which is cool by me. The sound generators used could be many... One os very probably NORD Lead. (The red gorgeous looking synth) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: Re: (orbital) !ARTIST and SICENTISTS UNITE!. Date: 17 Nov 1999 09:55:09 -0500 Marc Sawaya wrote: It would be cool if we saw some more fun science posts > like glowing bodies too = ). I'm a CS major, but that stuff is really interesting anyway. > -Marc "I concur!" AND WE{the world} NEED CS MAJORS! to be able to see glowing bodies in PET scans, and to make new artistic investigations! Just yesterday, The eminent Nuclear Medicine physician, Gary Smith,MD stopped by the IPL to alert me to a great article in November's Science magazine. The article concerned how our cultural separation of artists and scientists is not only arbitrary, given our dual-natured brains, but may indeed be an impediment to new discovery in either 'field'. To validate this, there is a great example of the work of that most famous of renegade artists, Marcel Duchamp. You may remember him as the inventor or the "Ready-made" artwork, where Duchamp entered a bathroom urinal into a 19th century exhibit, signing R.Mudd. From this momentous challenge to the art world's notion of "What is Art" Duchamp turned the artworld over, essentially paving the way for the central role of Artist and not their Artwork. The work is only remaining evidence of the development of Artisitc knowledge. The major successor of this notion being the personna of Andy Warhol. All this aside, Duchamp challenged notions of the divisions between art and science as well. The Science article by Rhonda Shearer and the lauded Stephen Jay Gould told how Duchamp spent a good deal of his time and money in the study of optical effects. He is credited with the "invention" of spinning discs with painted surfaces that produced a 3D illusion, even for WW1 veterans who had lost one eye in battle. These "Rotoreliefs" are more than 'cool-looking'! They demonstrate our brains' propensity to see in STEREO! EVEN WITH JUST 1 EYE! And now you can check out the magic of artistic 'investigation' on a very hip little site, that uses Barbie as a spokesperson. {YES! the very same famous american icon we boys grew up with, wishing we were GI Joe! ;)} You'll need some plug-ins [not sure if it's flash or shockwave or maybe just java] But you can see Duchamps rotoreliefs spinning away projecting their images out and in. This is the beginnings of VR {IMHO} There is a link from there to the same Science article where you can learn that Duchamp is only the most famous example. There's Kuhn's duck-rabbit head that brides tha gap of visual representation and conceptual innovation! and a nice note of how artist-birdwatcher A.H.Thayer realised that bird camoflague was not cryptic coloration but served to flatten the 3D bird body to effectively blend the bird into its environment [!Who has seen Predator 1 & 2!] The discovery was used by the Royal british Navy to camoflague battleships at sea, making them disappear on horizons and look like many ships at closer ranges by breaking up the ships profile lines! Now you know why Orbital really wear those headlights. It makes them look like they have really huge heads! and no one wants to mess around with beings that have really huge heads! kind of scary ... See it! Feel it! "be, BE the ball!" {Caddyshack ;)} http://www.artscienceresearchlab.org [front door fo' more] http://www.artscienceresearchlab.org/nav/barbiesf.htm [Duchamp's Rotoreliefs with Barbie!] Until next week at this same Bat channel! Professor Phun -- ______________ s. k. campbell _____________________ UT.Med.Ctr.@Knoxville The Image Processing Lab ph.423.544.9693 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron Brown" Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital and Dr. Who Date: 17 Nov 1999 14:58:42 -0000 You're forgetting the fact that Tom Baker was also the best doctor, while it still had a slightly sinister side to it, before the Peter Davidson's etc. turned it into more of a kids' show. ez ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Carver I saw that too. Tom Baker is so well known because a) he was in Dr. Who for seven years, and b) he is often looking for things like the Dr. Who night to pay the rent with. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian Mahuron" Subject: RE: (orbital) OT: More Computer Stuff Date: 17 Nov 1999 08:45:07 -0800 The best way to describe altivec is this (I hope I have this right!!!): On-CPU support for floating point (x86) made a huge performance difference in floating point calculations when it was added to machines. Most 3D software and DSP applications rely heavily on vector mathematics. This is where the "vec" in altivec comes from. So the new G4s have an instruction set to aid the compution of vector caculcations. There should be a significant performance difference!! As for "Dedicated Machines".. I think DeeKay is right.. Having one machine sequence, another handle a *few* synth, another adding DSP effects is the best and most reliable way to use computers for making music. I do believe however, if you music is fairly simplistic, and you don't plan on composing and twiddling realtime, a single computer should do. Ian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Dr Who ? Date: 17 Nov 1999 18:54:15 -0000 Trym wrote > >Tom Baker btw, he wasn't the first doctor, how come he's the one everyone >knows so well? He is the earliest they alive i think. The first three are all dead. I personally thought he was the best out of the lot. Want a jelly baby ? Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital ZIne www.loopz.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Michael Brunet question Date: 17 Nov 1999 19:03:07 -0000 >This question is mostly for Steve, but I thought that all might want to >know his reply (although I feel fairly certain that we won't be pleased by >it). I dont mind :) >Given that in the past couple of years, Orbital have composed both main >title and incidental music for a number of programs on the BBC (The Visit, >TX:Nothing, Dr. Who Night), is there *any* possibility in the near future >that FFRR will release a compilation disc of this material? I dont think so. I am not too sure who officially would own these pieces. If you seriously want to see Dr Who out there my first advice is stop putting crap Mp3 bootlegs of it on the net. Three is obviously reasons as to why Dr Who is not released yet and i am not saying it will be released. Replies of "release it and we wont mp3 it" is expected and I know i will get loads of replies about the Mp3 thing and Dr Who...but thats my view on it. Stop mp3ing the damn thing...they all sound shit and do the track no justice. Anyway...slight diversion there. I cant see a compilation cd happening while they are still active musically and alive :) > It seems like >the volume in minutes is there, the quality (from what I've heard) is >amazing, and the BBC is usually pretty good about rights, if what I've >heard is correct concerning licensing and television comps. I know that I'm >being a bit greedy wanting new material after MoN and with another disc in >production already for 2000, but I'd love to get those TV tracks in decent >quality..... I can understand how you feel. Well...one thing i can say is that Paul hinted to me that he was going to continue a couple of the themes from the Tx:Nothing session for the new album. Whether he actually does this or actually uses the tracks on the new album only time will tell. >Listers - remember, Steve has no say in whether this disc is made. While >I'm all for it, please don't inundate him with requests for something he >has no control over. haha...thanx Michael - thats a sure sign that you have met me in real life. >Sorry to be condescending, but there have been quite a few "hey Steve, I'm >in (place), and Orbital aren't coming here on tour. Can you make then come >here?" type of requests. The man has power (thanks again for Brixton, Steve >- - I *still* owe you a pint), but not limitless power : ) LOL...you was in the right place at the right time. One to remember folks...always wear a digger t-shirt to a gig and then a strange person like me may start talking to you. Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Dr. Who MP3s Date: 17 Nov 1999 14:31:42 -0500 Are you against making mp3s of the track, or against spreading them all over the place? I think the song is extremely good, and I was going crazy when I heard it for the first time live in Austin. Obviously I didn't want that to be the last time I ever heard the track as well... Even if the bootlegs are crap quality, Orbital is just so good that it doesn't matter. I certainly don't agree with spreading them like wildfire, or selling them (god forbid!), but I think it's a nice enhancement to a private collection, and I was absolutely devastated when I accidentally deleted all of my copies. I haven't heard it in months = (. -Marc Sawaya > I dont think so. I am not too sure who officially would own these pieces. If > you seriously want to see Dr Who out there my first advice is stop putting > crap Mp3 bootlegs of it on the net. Three is obviously reasons as to why Dr > Who is not released yet and i am not saying it will be released. Replies of > "release it and we wont mp3 it" is expected and I know i will get loads of > replies about the Mp3 thing and Dr Who...but thats my view on it. Stop > mp3ing the damn thing...they all sound shit and do the track no justice. > >here?" type of requests. The man has power (thanks again for Brixton, Steve > >- - I *still* owe you a pint), but not limitless power : ) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'nemesis1'" Subject: Re: (orbital) OT: More Computer Stuff Date: 17 Nov 1999 20:10:20 +0000 At 03:53 17.11.1999 +0000, deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: >Don't get me started on 3D!.. SGI rulez... don't see a lot of SGI gaming machines around ;) hehe >This is just due to the centralization around >the PC, the Wintel-promoted scheme of the PC having to be the >platform to do ALL the stuff at once!.. No wonder it's all patchwork >and crashes so much!.. crash? hmm dunno... I've seen a lot of pretty stable systems running win98. as long as you got the juice under the hood... :P >Why not have DEDICATED systems?? why not just say "fuck 'em all!", scream, go bonkers, run around like a crazed s.o.b., sell your junk and live in a cave up in the mountains? =) yeah, another fucked up day at work leaving me tired, tired & also tired. ,) ^_^ Agust 'nemesis1' http://nemesis1.cjb.net click need more sugar # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pacific707@aol.com Subject: (orbital) mr. oakenfold Date: 17 Nov 1999 16:08:56 EST There is simply no way to keep track of the actual instruments someone like Oakenfold uses. Since this was a live venue, no doubt the majority of sounds were produced by samplers as having loads of synthesizers on stage all prone to crash would be a ridiculous idea. I'm sure the sampled sounds came from venerable old machines like the Minimoog (great for bass), maybe the Oscar, Prophet 5, Roland jp-8000 (a relatively new synth), Roland TB-303, Korg Trinty, any old monophonic "vintage" synths - the list could go on and on. I'm sure there is a run-down of his gear posted on some website somewhere. You should see Orbital's gear list. Everything us gearheads drool over. Yames # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Perkins Subject: (orbital) question about CD's Date: 17 Nov 1999 20:19:26 -0700 sorry for the off topic question, but here goes: i'm extremely anal about taking care of my CD's, and as of recent, i've become suddenly concerned with something. does anyone know if leaving one's CD's in the car over night can have an adverse effect on them? will the cold damage the CD's? they seem to play alright, but i'm still concerned that there could be a potential problem. please help, and thanks. Chris Perkins cdperk@trib.com ICQ #: 32689797 -People in small towns don't know what books are and they don't know what phones are. If you ask them about phonebooks, their heads will explode.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nub Subject: (orbital) breeder mix Date: 17 Nov 1999 12:33:06 -0700 (MST) before everyone scrambles out to buy the ltd nothing left promo, i'd like to opine a bit: i think the breeder mix is pretty damn bad. or at least as it appears on sasha: ibiza global underground (cd1). they've pretty much stripped all the orbital from it, kept the vocal sample, and added some thumps. booorriiiiinng. i guess i see why there hasn't been much talk on the list about it. i'd also like to add that towerrecords.com has STILL not sent me my ibiza comp, so i had to resort to mp3. i feel no guilt, those bastards have my credit card number. peace out, nub # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Skip Acuff" Subject: Re: (orbital) mr. oakenfold Date: 17 Nov 1999 14:14:31 -0700 I believe he only uses turntables or dat decks. >>> 11/17/99 02:08PM >>> There is simply no way to keep track of the actual instruments someone like Oakenfold uses. Since this was a live venue, no doubt the majority of sounds were produced by samplers as having loads of synthesizers on stage all prone to crash would be a ridiculous idea. I'm sure the sampled sounds came from venerable old machines like the Minimoog (great for bass), maybe the Oscar, Prophet 5, Roland jp-8000 (a relatively new synth), Roland TB-303, Korg Trinty, any old monophonic "vintage" synths - the list could go on and on. I'm sure there is a run-down of his gear posted on some website somewhere. You should see Orbital's gear list. Everything us gearheads drool over. Yames # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital NOTE: This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. 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I know that Apple stopped making these, but I keep seeing new ones showing up in places of business and such. Anyone know where I can buy one new? thanks for ya help peeps, -- .MatthewFord. [U.S. Operations / Writer] LOOPZ:The Orbital Zine [ http://www.loopz.co.uk ] Independent Intelligent Electronic Music Paper Zine [Creator / Content Producer] GENREZERO.com [ http://www.genrezero.com ] Online Electronic Music Netcasts / Community...Back Online Soon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian Mahuron" Subject: RE: (orbital) I wanna buy a Mac-ol skool style Date: 18 Nov 1999 08:29:55 -0800 You're prolly gonna find a refurb... Go buy a copy of MacAddict and look in the back. All kinds of goodies. Also try searching yahoo for "used macs".. several vendors come up. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mioi Hanaoka" Subject: (orbital) win orbital cd Date: 18 Nov 1999 11:04:26 -0800 Hi. This is Mioi from Ink Blot Magazine. Just to let you all know, we are giving away Orbital's Australian import of Orbital 2, includes 3 tracks from the Peel Sessions. Just go here: http://www.inkblotmagazine.com/orbital_registration.htm ...and register for your chance to win! Mioi Hanaoka Ink Blot Magazine T 415.934.6800 F 415.934.6805 E mioi@inkblotmagazine.com http://www.inkblotmagazine.com Please sign up for our "Inkling" free newsletter: http://ls.big-shot.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?join=inkblotmagazine&return=http://w ww.inkblotmagazine.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) OT: More Computer Stuff Date: 19 Nov 1999 01:28:08 +0000 Nemesis wrote: > >Don't get me started on 3D!.. SGI rulez... > don't see a lot of SGI gaming machines around ;) > hehe > Well, i wasn't talking about GAMING, you know! 8) I meant for serious 3d-work!.. But besides that: What do you think the PSX' MIPS R3000 CPU was used in and developed for? 8) The SGI Indigo! About the same goes for the N64s R4300a, an enhanced R4000.. Afterall MIPS is owned by SGI! > >This is just due to the centralization around > >the PC, the Wintel-promoted scheme of the PC having to be the > >platform to do ALL the stuff at once!.. No wonder it's all patchwork > >and crashes so much!.. > crash? hmm dunno... I've seen a lot of pretty stable systems running win98. > as long as you got the juice under the hood... :P > I haven't seen any! I always just hear of them from third parties! >:-) Almost any of the people i know complain all the time... It IS referred to as 'Crashware' by many for a reason , you know! 8) Fact is that mine crashes several times each day, also WinNT at work atleast once a day! The few people i know having a RATHER stable system (which i've also seen crash several times while i was there! 8) know every fucking thing about registries, config-files, drivers, .dlls, spend multiple hours a day configuring their system and learning about its internals and could prolly become NT admins right away! 8) I ask you: Is that the price you have to pay for a stable OS?? I'd say no!.. > >Why not have DEDICATED systems?? > why not just say "fuck 'em all!", scream, go bonkers, run around like a > crazed s.o.b., sell your junk and live in a cave up in the mountains? > =) > I feel like that pretty often recently to be honest! <:-) Where's my club? 8)) DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ihastarla@aol.com Subject: Re: (orbital) I wanna buy a Mac-ol skool style Date: 18 Nov 1999 19:29:33 EST all i know is that the last oldschool beige towers that were made were g3s there are a few in my school i dont know where youd buy one tho :\ id go for a g4 :) * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "angel" Subject: (orbital) Re: OFF TOPIC. help with real jerk Date: 18 Nov 1999 16:56:48 -0800 I purchased A Nothing Left 2 Single for this guy on ebay. I sent him cash at his advisement, it was 10$ so i figured it was ok. Anyways i told him i'd sent his cash and left for vacation for 2 weeks. (which is why i didnt get back to some of you...) Anyhow when i got back he said i never paid him, turned in a bad bidder form and left negative feedback. I emailed him i sent my money and he replied to me hellishly harassing me and swearing me out how i was a deadbeat and he'd get me removed from ebay. at the time i was selling some dreamcasts and some other games. Well he emailed ebay and told them my merchandise i was selling was stolen and emailed all my bidders and told them i was a theif and selling stolen goods. Well i'm not asking any of you to do anything in malice just this if you could email any of the below with the following message. I have emailed ebay about it and they say it's "a personal matter" i have tried calling this guy and he has caller id picks up the phone swears at me and hangs up I dont disagree with selling promos its just i have no legal channels against him and i feel something needs to be done with this guy safeharbor@ebay.com badbeats@riaa.org support@ebay.com Dear ebay I am writing you to let you know that jnaples@flashcom.net has been for a long time now selling promos, which are illegal on ebay. I look at his auctions now and he is selling 50-100 promo issue items which are against copyright violations and ebay policy. Thank you, # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Blackshaw Date: 19 Nov 1999 11:45:31 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:19:26 -0700 Chris Perkins wrote: # # sorry for the off topic question, but here goes: i'm extremely anal about # taking care of my CD's, and as of recent, i've become suddenly concerned # with something. does anyone know if leaving one's CD's in the car over # night can have an adverse effect on them? will the cold damage the CD's? # they seem to play alright, but i'm still concerned that there could be a # potential problem. please help, and thanks. # Not really an answer to your question, but an interesting snippet nonetheless - When CDs first came out in the eighties, quite a few people actually beleived that putting them in the freezer overnight made them sound 'crisper'. Surely the best way of doing this would be to put them in the 'salad crisper' in the bottom of the fridge... -~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~- | Ed Blackshaw, School of Chemistry | ( Organic Section ) ) University of Bristol ( ( Tel. (internal) ext. 4252 ) ) Ed.Blackshaw@bristol.ac.uk ( ( ) ) "We're not dropping out here, we're infiltrating ( ( and taking over." ) ) ( | http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/~cheab | -~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "angel" Subject: (orbital) Thanks to all Date: 19 Nov 1999 13:46:01 -0800 Several complaints were lodged to ebay by many people that i tried to acquire their help. With this effort the person emailed me, apologized and offered me to finally give me the cd that i ordered... Thanks again to anyone who helped!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: RE: (orbital) OT: More Computer Stuff Date: 19 Nov 1999 23:05:55 +0000 Ian wrote: > >Afterall MIPS is owned by SGI! > > IIRC, SGI sold 85% of MIPS Q1 1999. They no longer own MIPS. They're just > an "interested party". > Okay, didn't know that... but it figures, since they chose not to pursue the IRIX/MIPS line anymore and focus on Windows/x86! <:-( Which seems kinda like Ferrari using a VW engine if you've seen an Octane or an Onyx perform!.. I know i have, on this year's CeBit, 2 Onyx Reality Monsters in full effect, real 3d and an awesome soundsystem! <:-) It almost blew me away! But these machines will cease to exist, and so supercomputing power of this scale won't be seen again in quite a while, since no PC ever will be able to do something massive as this!.. Jeez, I have only HEARD of 4 CPU x98 machines, there are rumours of 8 CPU ones... 256 CPUs my friends, that's what a single Onyx can scale to! With mega-fat Crossbars (the idea Intel ripped for AGP and implemented so sucky that AGP still is laughed at today for being an even lamer buzz than MMX!) that move GIGABYTES per second!.. > SGI is really hurting. Many vendors are rushing to port their 3D apps to > the PC platform as it works very well for modelling and rendering tasks. > Meanwhile, SGI plans on caching in on the Linux craze. > Yeah, i also heard about this.. Better than windows, afterall they do know their way round *nix systems pretty well.. but the x86 architecture still seems like a glimpse of a joke compares to their IRIX systems!.. No wonder they don't sell too well, it is like if Apple would be making the Mac an open system with anyone being able to develop for it at will without Apple having any say!.. They'd simply give away the great advantage their system has over the rest of the pack!.. > >> crash? hmm dunno... I've seen a lot of pretty stable systems running > win98. > >> as long as you got the juice under the hood... :P > > >I haven't seen any! I always just hear of them from third parties! > >>:-) Almost any of the people i know complain all the time... It > >IS referred to as 'Crashware' by many for a reason , you know! 8) > >Fact is that mine crashes several times each day, also WinNT at work > >atleast once a day! The few people i know having a RATHER stable > >system (which i've also seen crash several times while i was there! > >8) know every fucking thing about registries, config-files, drivers, > >.dlls, spend multiple hours a day configuring their system and > >learning about its internals and could prolly become NT admins right > >away! 8) I ask you: Is that the price you have to pay for a stable > >OS?? I'd say no!.. > > My NT4 WKS box (PII 400) has uptimes of 4 or 5 days before I power it off at > the end of the work week. I find that many audio apps w/ support for NT run > quite well on this platform. However, the guy next to me w/ the new G4 has > reboot at least 4 times this week. I edit waveforms, he edits images.. both > being very CPU and memory intensive applications. So load has nothing to do > with the instability difference between the two platforms. > Wait for MacOS X client! 8) NO system crashes anymore, no memorymanagement errors! 8) a true Unix kernal! and you can bet your balls that Apple will include G4-libraries in ANY compiler for MacOS X! 8))) That means ALL programs that support MacOS X natively will have full-fledged Altivec support! 8)) ) > I still prefer Sun hardware.. but that's just the unix geek in me. Gimme an > Ultra 5 and I'm a happy man. > Suns hardware is also pretty damn decent i must say.. Their systems are definately in the same pro-league like SGIs... DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[::daniel ramirez centurion owo*::]" Subject: (orbital) THANX SHANNON ! Date: 19 Nov 1999 23:50:28 -0500 UOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Thanx man, you know! ; P Dan.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "angel" Subject: (orbital) Re: Message Bounce: Orbital Live In San Francisco 7-23-99 Date: 19 Nov 1999 21:17:37 -0800 My friend just gave me orbital live in san fran 7-23-99 *SOUNDBOARD* = 10/10 A+ quality. It kicks the crap out of any 99 boot out there. Same = tracklist.. before I know i'm specifically interested in trading for pet shop boys from = their latest tour but wanted to let the list know i have it and it's = available for trade. Also will trade dvds for it to...=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Track Info. Date: 20 Nov 1999 00:34:57 EST Hey all, Since returning to Boston for college this fall, I've been going to the clubs more and more, and they keep playing this one particular track, which everyone says "they've been playing all summer" and it's SUPER popular. But, nobody knows the the artist or track name of the song. Alright, I'm sure that if you heard it, and I played it for you, you'd go "DAMN I KNOW THAT SONG!" but I'm going to play the odds and describe it: I don't know much about it, but it has female vocals that say "La da de/la de da/la la le la de da.." and it starts off with vocals right in the beginning, and it has a sort of chorus that says a bunch of stuff in english, but I can't remember how it goes. I want this track in mp3! It's damn infectious! (call me dumb, I dunno). Any help is appreciated! Thanks, Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony N Gall Subject: Re: (orbital) Track Info. Date: 20 Nov 1999 07:49:18 -0600 (CST) On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Robert Schultz wrote: > I don't know much about it, but it has female vocals that say "La da de/la > de da/la la le la de da.." and it starts off with vocals right in the > beginning, and it has a sort of chorus that says a bunch of stuff in > english, but I can't remember how it goes. I want this track in mp3! It's > damn infectious! (call me dumb, I dunno). hmm...well i don't go to clubs much, and i actually think i've never heard it before, but i think you might be talking about "Sexual (Li Da Di)" by Amber. it's relatively new, her new album just came out a bit ago. well hope i was some help, -Anthony # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'nemesis1'" Subject: Re: (orbital) OT: More Computer Stuff Date: 20 Nov 1999 20:30:58 +0000 At 01:28 19.11.1999 +0000, deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: > >Nemesis1 wrote: > >> >Don't get me started on 3D!.. SGI rulez... >> don't see a lot of SGI gaming machines around ;) >Well, i wasn't talking about GAMING, you know! 8) and I was pulling your leg :) it worked, ya know ... ;) you did reply... ;) >> crash? hmm dunno... I've seen a lot of pretty stable systems running win98. >> as long as you got the juice under the hood... :P >I haven't seen any! I always just hear of them from third parties! :-) mine is pretty stable. especially after I got rid of that #$%($%$ CRAP isdn card I had (which I don't need right now... my phone is closed ;) so the hardware I got now is all more or less pnp/pci friendly and actually does not conflict at all (one big reason why people suffer from crashes... crappy conflicting badly managed hardware) >Almost any of the people i know complain all the time... It >IS referred to as 'Crashware' by many for a reason , you know! 8) first release of win95 is horrible. I reinstalled it over 50-60 times the first year. w95 osr2 was a LOT better. only reinstalled that one 4-5 times during 2 years, and that was only because I was doing some really evil nasty things to it ;) >Fact is that mine crashes several times each day, are you using internet explorer? m$ office? heck, any other m$ programs at all? or norton? (especially the crappy "crashguard") they be BAD for your system stability ;) the key to stable system is to keep as little running in the background as possible, I only got 2 or 3 programs running in the bg on my machine, cpuidle (to cool the cpu :) and forgot-it (best post-it notes proggy around and totally stable :) and needless to say, device drivers which ain't buggy :P >also WinNT at work atleast once a day! heh, winnt... ho hum.... nuff said ;) >The few people i know having a RATHER stable system (which i've also seen >crash several times while i was there! 8) know every fucking thing about >registries, config-files, drivers, .dlls, spend multiple hours a day >configuring their system and learning about its internals and could prolly >become NT admins right away! 8) cripes. I mean... I'm a bit of a nut, but not totally that much of a nut. I just keep my system healthy and try to avoid resource hogging programs if I possibly can. that does wonders... and I've even seen people who know zilch about this stuff run stable machines... the keywords are quality hardware, slim programs & stable drivers :P and avoid doing nasty things to your system if you dunno what you're doing ;) (cough cough, speaking from experience *grin*) > I ask you: Is that the price you have to pay for a stable OS?? I'd say no!.. hehe :) well, all the games and junk I want to mess with are available for win, so I guess I don't have too much of a choice... :) having said that, I'll have to say too that my win/pc setup is hell of a lot more stable than my amigas used to be.... those crashes million times every day, I can run my pc without a crash for days... :) >> >Why not have DEDICATED systems?? >> why not just say "fuck 'em all!", scream, go bonkers, run around like a >> crazed s.o.b., sell your junk and live in a cave up in the mountains? >> =) >I feel like that pretty often recently to be honest! <:-) >Where's my club? 8)) you talking about this one? /me grins evilly as he brandishes a large club... ;) (heh. make a pretty speech about stable system, then keep on doing evil stuff with this beta modplayer I'm testing... crash baby crash muhahaahhahha ;) ^_^ Agust 'nemesis1' http://nemesis1.cjb.net click need more sugar # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony N Gall Subject: (orbital) Computer Stuff? Date: 20 Nov 1999 16:27:43 -0600 (CST) ok guys, am i the only one that's had enough of the computer stuff? it pretty much has no relation to Orbital, or even to music for that matter... -Anthony # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) Computer Stuff? Date: 20 Nov 1999 18:31:43 EST Thank you, I was just about to tell them to cut the shit. I mean, the only thing worse than talking about stuff unrelated to Orbital is talking about stuff not related to music! Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Track Info. Date: 20 Nov 1999 18:22:39 +0000 > I don't know much about it, but it has female vocals that say "La da de/la > de da/la la le la de da.." "... and she stands there singing for money, but she's homeless, so homeless.."??? Does it go on like that?? If yes, then the track is called "La da Dee" (or "La-da-di") if i remember correctly, can't remember the artist but it *could've* been De La Soul!.. That track is pretty old, atleast 4 or 5 years!.. (sarcasm mode on) Thanks Rob for giving such a unique description! >;) Afterall songs that have la-da-di in the vocals are pretty damn rare! >;-D (sarcasm mode off 8) DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: Re: (orbital) Track Info. Date: 20 Nov 1999 20:50:56 -0500 It aint De La Soul! {If anybody knows of anybody that has a copy of a De La Soul single for "Me, Myself, and I" please mail me!!! I want the insrumental of MMandI off of it for like 8 years nows. I used to own the casssseeeetttte I think he's talkin' 'bout Diva Crystal Waters' club hit a few years ago. It has that same vocal intro and became very obnoxious after a billionth time hearing it! ;) Publicly, it was followed by the Macarena hype! So pre-macaroni! I'm burnin' Mehul! !I swear you'll get your stuff back this week!!!! Shnnn ------------------------- deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: > > > I don't know much about it, but it has female vocals that say "La da de/la > > de da/la la le la de da.." > > "... and she stands there singing for money, but she's homeless, so > homeless.."??? Does it go on like that?? If yes, then the track is > called "La da Dee" (or "La-da-di") if i remember correctly, can't > remember the artist but it *could've* been De La Soul!.. That track > is pretty old, atleast 4 or 5 years!.. -- ______________ s. k. campbell _____________________ UT.Med.Ctr.@Knoxville The Image Processing Lab ph.423.544.9693 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Perkins Subject: (orbital) Re: CD Storage Date: 20 Nov 1999 19:49:11 -0700 are you posutuve about this? everyone else's infromation seems to disagrre, and if this is the case, then a great deal of my cd collection is shot and that really ruins my day. >In answer to your Orbital list query: > >Yeah, ANY major temperature fluctuation will harm your discs. It >may not show up in the short term, but WILL in the long term. Any >major heat or cold shot will make the disc's plastic and metal >components expand and contract accordingly, leaving micro fractures >all over the place that allow air to interact with the aluminum. >The result is inevitable oxidization. > >Cheers > >-- >Anil Prasad >aprasad@innerviews.org >Innerviews: Music Without Borders >http://www.innerviews.org > > Chris Perkins cdperk@trib.com ICQ #: 32689797 -People in small towns don't know what books are and they don't know what phones are. If you ask them about phonebooks, their heads will explode.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Perkins Subject: (orbital) CD followup and apology Date: 20 Nov 1999 22:01:43 -0700 first and foremost, i want to apology for being such a nuisance, but now i'm extremely paranoid after what i was just told by Anil. you say extreme temperature changes will cause microfractures...i was always under the impression that this meant EXTREME temperature changes like way below freezing or really really hot. are you certain that simply leaving CD's in a car for a few days will result in such damage? also, how long would it take for one to realize that the CD is oxidized? the fact that thousands of dollars worth of CDs are going to be almost totally ruined in a few years time because i left them in my car really has me worried. please help, and once again, i apologize thoroughly. Chris Perkins cdperk@trib.com ICQ #: 32689797 -People in small towns don't know what books are and they don't know what phones are. If you ask them about phonebooks, their heads will explode.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: Re: (orbital) Track Info. Date: 21 Nov 1999 14:29:57 GMT >I don't know much about it, but it has female vocals that say "La da de/la >de da/la la le la de da.." and it starts off with vocals right >in the >beginning, and it has a sort of chorus that says a bunch of >stuff in >english, but I can't remember how it goes. I want this track >in mp3! It's >damn infectious! (call me dumb, I dunno). >Any help is appreciated! Crystal something? Some of the lyrics go... "..and she stands there, singing for money." Sorry to say this, but the only reason I remember so much and probably will recall it quite well when someone gets the name is because that song gives me the shivers, it did way back when it was released and it still does... Well, thought I'd give anyone else some trigger... oh, wait, just worked on myself. Are you thinking about Crystal Waters' "Gypsy woman" or something. Dance hit from seven-eight years back? Trym ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: Re: (orbital) Track Info. Date: 21 Nov 1999 02:46:15 -0800 Wow you cats is all nuts...DE LA SOUL? No way! The name of the song is Gypsy Woman (She's Homeless) by Crystal Waters. Funny ting about this is I bought the video for this for 99cents at the Warehouse earlier this year just for shits and giggles. on a less lighter note:de la soul is the best hip hop group in da world!! :) deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: > "... and she stands there singing for money, but she's homeless, so > homeless.."??? Does it go on like that?? If yes, then the track is > called "La da Dee" (or "La-da-di") if i remember correctly, can't > remember the artist but it *could've* been De La Soul!.. That track > is pretty old, atleast 4 or 5 years!.. > > DeeKay -- .MatthewFord. [U.S. Operations / Writer] LOOPZ:The Orbital Zine [ http://www.loopz.co.uk ] Independent Intelligent Electronic Music Paper Zine [Creator / Content Producer] GENREZERO.com [ http://www.genrezero.com ] Online Electronic Music Netcasts / Community...Back Online Soon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) Track Info. Date: 21 Nov 1999 10:27:29 EST Errrr. I doubt that this song is Crystal Waters. Unfortunately, I've heard Crystal Waters, and this sounds nothing like it. Also, I think this song that I'm talking about came out sometime during last summer. And it's still popular in the clubs today. Does the list administrator allow us to post .wav files to the list? I want to hum this stuff and post it! Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Track Info. Date: 21 Nov 1999 16:48:12 +0000 LOL! 8)) That should be a good one, looking forward to that! 8))) DeeKay > Alright, I'm going to hum this fuckin song, and record it in .wav format, > and fuckin post that shit to the list. Then, maybe I'll find out about it! > (pardon my swearing, I'm a little buzzed right now). > > Later, > Rob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Me humming this song. Date: 21 Nov 1999 13:12:58 EST Alright, I tried posting a wav to the list of my wonderful humming, but it wouldn't let me post it because it "contains MIME content" so I have a request for the list members: can anyone that knows about trance, clubs, etc just email me and I'll mass mail it out to you all? I appreciate the help. Thanks, Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pacific707@aol.com Subject: (orbital) computers, gear and whatever Date: 21 Nov 1999 15:23:57 EST I agree that this computer stuff on the Orbital site is pretty uninteresting to a lot of us, but there are some gear heads out there, myself included, who are always interested to know what kind of equipment is in the hands of these fabulously talented folks like P&P H. With a small recording system at home, and a bigger one several miles away, I'm always hungry to know about the latest piece of gear being used out there. So don't be too harsh on us. It comes with the territory. I'm not interested so much in the types of computers but when it comes to instruments I'm all ears...thumbs...whatever. James # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony N Gall Subject: Re: (orbital) Me humming this song. Date: 21 Nov 1999 22:58:29 -0600 (CST) On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Robert Schultz wrote: > > Alright, I tried posting a wav to the list of my wonderful humming, but it > wouldn't let me post it because it "contains MIME content" so I have a > request for the list members: can anyone that knows about trance, clubs, etc > just email me and I'll mass mail it out to you all? I appreciate the help. > > Thanks, > Rob hey rob, i dunno about that mass-mailing thing...the reason why the list wouldn't let you do it is cause it's not the best of ideas. there are some people (including me) that have very limited email inbox size, so that's the reason why it's not a good idea to send binary files out to lists. i think the best thing to do would be to post it up on geocites, xoom, any of those free things. they're easy to get if you don't have one already. or of course, any other type of www site, or FTP site even. -Anthony # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony N Gall Subject: Re: (orbital) computers, gear and whatever Date: 21 Nov 1999 23:05:20 -0600 (CST) On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 Pacific707@aol.com wrote: > > I agree that this computer stuff on the Orbital site is pretty uninteresting > to a lot of us, but there are some gear heads out there, myself included, who > are always interested to know what kind of equipment is in the hands of these > fabulously talented folks like P&P H. With a small recording system at home, > and a bigger one several miles away, I'm always hungry to know about the > latest piece of gear being used out there. So don't be too harsh on us. It > comes with the territory. I'm not interested so much in the types of > computers but when it comes to instruments I'm all ears...thumbs...whatever. > James yea, i agree with you there. i've been looking into buying some gear of my own lately, so that aspect IS interesting. but i mean, people arguing those old arguments, Intel vs. Apple, c'mon now...there's a reason why i don't subscribe to any computer MLs :P oh yea, and speaking of gear....anyone willing to recommend a good, cheap, old, yet easy-to-find analog synth? ;) -Anthony # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cdrich@juno.com Subject: (orbital) Top Ten Besides Orbital - Results Date: 22 Nov 1999 19:13:16 -0500 Well, the Orbital list top 10 band survey has been completed. Thanks to all who participated, and for those who were annoyed, thanks for putting up with the traffic. Here is this year's top ten, with last years position in parentheses. 1. (2) Autechre 2. (6) Underworld 3. (3) Aphex Twin 4. (1) Future Sound of London 5. (56) Black Dog/Plaid 6. (10) Kraftwerk 7. (29) Plastikman 7. (175) Sarah McLachlan 9. (-) Yello 10. (9) Nine Inch Nails For the complete list, check out my website. Thanks, CDRich CDs for sale or trade - new CDs added every Sunday: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/6749/ ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BcallmeD@aol.com Subject: (orbital) I'm going to London, baby/MoN revisited Date: 23 Nov 1999 00:22:15 EST Hey all. In order to keep this directly Orbital related, I realized that I never mentioned my complete turnaround about my opinion of Middle of Nowhere. What I first took to be noisy, under thought-out, without a soul, and just not up to Orbital standards, turned out to be a high-quality number (I did realize this several months ago). I found that I liked it much better while listening in my car. I believe this is due to the limited frequency capabilities of my car stereo--which makes it sound more similar to the mid-range sound heard in the previous records. I think it just took me awhile to get used to the new synths they were using: Z1, JP-8000, etc. The new sounds just weren't fitting my "range" of Orbital sound. Now I'm used to it, and find the Orbital spark in every track. I know Paul mentioned something about the next record being experimental (in an old interview) so maybe they'll turn back to their older gear. I was actually surprised that they used such mainstream big-selling keyboards (but maybe they weren't so popular at the time). As you can see, I don't discourage discussion that directly relates to Orbitals gear... Also. I won a contest sponsored by Virgin Atlantic and the Austin Powers movie. I'm going to London for free, baby! I'll be going in January from the 18th to the 25th. I would greatly appreciate any recommendations from those knowledgeable of the area. I'm especially looking for a midranged hotel, and please point out any restaraunts, clubs, shows, record stores I shouldn't miss (along with addresses if possible). I really need help with this (my first overseas adventure) and sincerely appreciate all help. (You can mail me privately to avoid the clutter) Thanks, Brian BcallmeD # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AJ Brustein Subject: (orbital) PLEASE Date: 23 Nov 1999 02:04:42 -0400 Look, I really hate to have to keep on doing this, but since that Brendan guy is gone anyway, maybe it will be OK. Can someone please tell me LAZLO's email account Or someone tell him to unsub this account. He has to do it, I CAN NOT. The address on the webpage does not seem to be working cause he does not seem to be getting them. PLEASE HELP ME. I am still a member of this list - brustein@bc.edu - but this email has to stop coming here. Thank you very much. Later. AJ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ryan Downs" Subject: Re: (orbital) I'm going to London, baby Date: 23 Nov 1999 19:16:07 PST ----Original Message Follows---- I'm going to London... I would greatly appreciate any recommendations from those knowledgeable of the area. Thanks, Brian BcallmeD Hey, I'm going to London over February break, so if anyone wouldn't mind sending me some information, too, it would be greatly appreciated. Alas, my trip is not for free because I'm with a tour group (I'm going through my school), so I won't be able to go to clubs, but I'm still interested in record shops. Hope you have a good trip, Brian! -Ryan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anil Prasad Subject: (orbital) Oxidization and CDs Date: 24 Nov 1999 00:46:06 -0800 My aim wasn't to make you paranoid. I was just offering some basic facts. Extreme cold and heat affect everything, including CDs. It doesn't mean your CDs will become unplayable in 3, 4 or 5 years. Maybe not even 10 years. I'm hardly an expert. But my understanding is that as far as really long-term storage goes -- 10 years plus perhaps -- there will likely be a detrimental effect on poorly stored discs. That's the last from me. There are probably some real experts around here who can address this better than I. are you posutuve about this? everyone else's infromation seems to disagrre, and if this is the case, then a great deal of my cd collection is shot and that really ruins my day. >In answer to your Orbital list query: > >Yeah, ANY major temperature fluctuation will harm your discs. It >may not show up in the short term, but WILL in the long term. Any >major heat or cold shot will make the disc's plastic and metal >components expand and contract accordingly, leaving micro fractures >all over the place that allow air to interact with the aluminum. >The result is inevitable oxidization. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Progressive Trance Date: 24 Nov 1999 14:49:17 EST Hey all, for some reason I'm just hooked on progressive trance right now (as played by Paul Oakenfold, van Dyk, etc) and I have a few of their albums and hear the music in clubs, but I don't know who the artists are and what the song titles are! If any of you out there can maybe recommend to me some of your favorite tracks (the uplifting ones are great! like "Cafe del Mar") I'd really appreciate it! Thanks, Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: glauco bacchi Subject: (orbital) OT Progressive Trance Date: 25 Nov 1999 00:33:06 +0000 hi i recommend all three Euphoria compilations (Euphoria, Euphoria 2, Euphoria Ibiza) as being full to the brim of top tunes. The first is the best, despite being slightly old now. Nothing released recently seems as suited to home-listening (or should that be home-dancing?). I believe this is the type of music you are referring to but am never sure these days. if anyone would like to try to clarify what is meant by: hard house uplifting trance progressive trance epic house etc by naming classic tracks of the genres i'd love to know. btw the current issue of Muzik magazine has a free 60 minute cd mixed by van Dyke. it's rather good:) In message <19991124194918.17485.qmail@hotmail.com>, Robert Schultz writes > >Hey all, for some reason I'm just hooked on progressive trance right now (as >played by Paul Oakenfold, van Dyk, etc) and I have a few of their albums and >hear the music in clubs, but I don't know who the artists are and what the >song titles are! If any of you out there can maybe recommend to me some of >your favorite tracks (the uplifting ones are great! like "Cafe del Mar") I'd >really appreciate it! > >Thanks, >Rob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ihastarla@aol.com Subject: Re: (orbital) OT Progressive Trance Date: 24 Nov 1999 21:15:59 EST is there such a thing as dark trance? if so, what would be considered that? * In a message dated 11/24/99 8:04:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, glauco@spotpot.demon.co.uk writes: > if anyone would like to try to clarify what is meant > by: > hard house > uplifting trance > progressive trance > epic house > etc > by naming classic tracks of the genres i'd love to know. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony N Gall Subject: Re: (orbital) OT Progressive Trance Date: 25 Nov 1999 13:54:07 -0600 (CST) On Thu, 25 Nov 1999, glauco bacchi wrote: > I believe this is the type of music you are referring to but am never > sure these days. if anyone would like to try to clarify what is meant > by: > hard house > uplifting trance > progressive trance > epic house > etc > by naming classic tracks of the genres i'd love to know. ok, here's how i think of it: Hard House = House Uplifting Trance = Trance Progressive Trance = Trance Epic House = Trance just new terms that people make up to describe the same old thing ;) -Anthony # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Geoff Elgey Subject: (orbital) "Nothing Left" promo 12" Date: 25 Nov 1999 08:57:39 +1000 G'day, Spotted a few copies of the new "Nothing Left" 2x12" promo yesterday with the Sasha remix of "Belfast", etc. I haven't heard any of these new mixes yet - is the promo worth picking up? It was AUS$30, or about US$20, which is why I'm a bit wary... Cheers, Geoff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital and Dr. Who Date: 25 Nov 1999 21:50:05 -0700 On Sun, Nov 14, 1999 at 10:02:02AM +0000, Trym Asserson wrote: > Tom Baker btw, he wasn't the first doctor, how come he's the one everyone > knows so well? He was the first one who got any significant exposure in the States. -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brandon Invergo Subject: (orbital) bt again Date: 26 Nov 1999 15:39:52 -0800 (PST) i think i asked this before, but i'm having trouble finding bt's new album in the states and i'm wondering if it's out over here yet. i desperately need this...cause ya know...world's ending and stuff. gotta hear it before armageddon ya know! sorry...just spent thanksgiving with some millenialist family members....ugh. oh yeah...anyone heard this new cd out on wax trax that's some mix of sorts that's got autechre, frontside, and underworld (amongst others) on it? interesting mix of artists. i'm curious what it's like. i almost bought it today, but realized that i'm broke. permanently... brandon invergo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Loopz/Orbital - Full Satan Live MPG on site - Orbital IRC chat vi Date: 27 Nov 1999 01:29:45 -0000 ALL VIDEO page updated to include the FULL version of SATAN LIVE from this summers San Antonio festival in IBIZA. There is a lower quality MPG and a higher quality MPG. Grab it now - its worth the download. FAQ - Paul and Phil Hartnoll section and Ep/Singles section updated. News page updated to include the now confirmed Cream event at The Point in Dublin (might see u there!). PLEASE NOTE - David Gray single which features the Paul Hartnoll remix is limited to 5000 Cds and 5000 12 Inch Vinyl. Grab it while you can. Orbital have agreed to take part in an IRC chat for the LOOPZ website in the new year. More details of this exicting event will appear on the website soon. Download mIRC a.s.a.p :) More updates over the weekend Sign the guestbook and use the forums :) Thanx Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mehul Parekh I Subject: (orbital) topic and ot and maybe some orbital Date: 29 Nov 1999 08:57:52 CST hey, anyone watch those commercials for snap.com where the guy is trying = to buy something for his wife? if you look closely, when he is looking at c= ds, orblivion is on top of the pile. hey, whats with the new underworld? i have seen it listed on cdnow, but = what is it? is it their live album? also with pvd, what up? isn't he coming out with something new sometime = soon? i know he got screwed on his record deal before and so he wasnt able to release it, but now... By the way, has anyone been able to buy the singl= e 'avenue/_____ of stars' in the us? i have shopped hi and low online, to = find nothing! let me know. for those interested, ozric tentacles is coming out with something soon. = i saw a ad listed in...i do believe 'dj magazine'. oh yeah, orbital rules! i had taken some time off orbital and i am now c= oming back to like it all even more than before. yes, i still dig style...a lo= t! = mr. loopz, that is a great site you have. if you havent been there, go t= here! www.loopz.co.uk/, updated as hell, and great layout too. anyway, thats it. just some random things that came to me and i had to t= ell you all. ps does anyone know the music to the oldsmobile commercial? it is great,= but i dont know who it is or if it was made only for the commercial. Mehul Parekh I mpp001@netscape.net mpp001@drake.edu ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MichiruKt@aol.com Subject: (orbital) Orbital Collection List Date: 29 Nov 1999 14:52:36 EST Does anyone have a full list of all the Orbital CDs out there, or know how I can get a complete list? I only have 6 CDs by them, and I'm always looking for more. E-mail me if you can help @ michirukt@aol.com. Thankies! ~michiru # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nub Subject: (orbital) arbitrary definitions Date: 29 Nov 1999 12:54:35 -0700 (MST) several comments about the most recent digest: (disclaimer: i don't really know what i'm talking about, i just like to pretend) > uplifting trance oakenfold (melodic, lots of builds) > progressive trance seb fontaine, sasha (typically less melodic - i take "progressive" to mean more interesting sonically, though this doesn't always seem to be the case) > epic house no idea. is this the same as progressive house? or perhaps epic trance? who the hell knows. i do make the distinction of "deep house" which is like the hard, percussive (tribal?) nyc variety, as spun by danny tenaglia and probably others (armand van helden maybe?) > is there such a thing as dark trance? dark trance would be like juno reactor and goa, maybe borderline gabber. here's yet another question: what in god's name is "speed garage"? or how about "handbag"? never could figure those out. > Hard House = House > Uplifting Trance = Trance > Progressive Trance = Trance > Epic House = Trance these all work fine too, of course. > Spotted a few copies of the new "Nothing Left" 2x12" promo yesterday > with the Sasha remix of "Belfast", etc. I haven't heard any of these new > mixes yet - is the promo worth picking up? i'm NOT impressed with the nothing left (breeder mix). the sasha version of belfast ("belfunk") sounds nothing at all like the original, but is rather good trancy housy whatever in its own right. but if you just wanna hear it i surely wouldn't shell out 20 USD for the 12" - it's on sasha's xpander ep, now available domestically (oops, that's a very biased term - i mean "in the U.S." - no offense!!!) along with some other top choons. random aside: didn't someone bring up the modulations documentary a while back? saw it a few days ago. good stuff, though largely just for the impressive lineup of geezers. damn, those detroit dudes are all a bunch of thugs! the old school people had some interesting things to say, but all the self-important banter from the new school postmodernist music critics was a load of crap. and don't get me started on FSOL - get over yourselves! i suppose the best part was all the live footage from various raves and shows, including a small clip of chime from the brothers. that's all i got, nub # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Loopz/Orbital - Dr Who Live video online (say no more) - Tx: Noth Date: 30 Nov 1999 06:29:09 -0000 Loopz / Orbital List - http://www.loopz.co.uk <---join the MAILING list to know about the updates, special events and competitions earlier. Ok...here are the latest updates. IF you want to help this site out then please spread the URL to people who may be interested or give it to music magazines / internet websites. This is all i ask you to do (At the moment) :P Oh yeah...sign the guestbook and join the forum! Hope you enjoy these updates. 29th November 1999 VIDEO page updated to include the one that EVERYONE wants!!! Dr Who Live at the Flux Festival in Scotland. There are some screen shots from the gig itself on the page. Grab the lower quality MPG or higher quality MPG. Do i need to tell you to download this ? AUDIO (OTHER) page updated to include the FULL uncut audio from Tx:Nothing - 38 minutes in length (streamed or downloadable Real Audio). There is a good quality Mp3 of part 11 from the film. As for the visuals...there are some screen shots from the film or if you want a taste of the video....then read on. VIDEO page updated to include part 11 of the audio and visuals from Tx:Nothing. There is a lower quality MPG and a higher quality MPG. Again there are screen shots from this short film on the page. NEWS page now contains ticket booking details for Dublin on the 29th December 1999. 26th November 1999 VIDEO page updated to include the FULL version of SATAN LIVE from this summers San Antonio festival in IBIZA. There is a lower quality MPG and a higher quality MPG. Grab it now - its worth the download. FAQ page updated :- Paul and Phil Hartnoll section - added When is Phil Hartnolls Birthday? What is Phil Hartnolls Musical Influences ? Ep/Singles section - added Do Orbital have any plans to release their excellent new live version of Chime "remix 99" theme? During the Glastonbury session, Orbital performed a track with a Dr Who sample - do you know what the track is called and if it's ever been recorded - if so what name it's under? Do they have any plans to release songs from the recent Middle of Nowhere tour, like the superb Satan Live EP's which were released in 1996? Thanx Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) OFF TOPIC -- Stabbing Westard Shows Date: 30 Nov 1999 14:14:10 -0800 Has anyone taped any stabbing westward shows or have any hard to find live ones? I got a guy whose got some rare orbital shows, i believe las vegas 99 and an east coast city and he wants SW thats it ;) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: Re: (orbital) arbitrary definitions Date: 30 Nov 1999 21:06:03 +0000 At 12:54 29/11/99 -0700, Nub wrote: > >here's yet another question: what in god's name is "speed garage"? house with a garagey edge and some elements of ragga jungle. Just another variation on house really. >or how >about "handbag"? never could figure those out. really cheesy house. The kind of stuff essex girls dance around their handbags to (hence the name). No offence intended to any essex girls reading... cheers, Jon - "Please hand the bird book back to the library by Tuesday, or you'll have to pay an extra Deutschmark." E&OE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thing181@aol.com Subject: Re: (orbital) arbitrary definitions Date: 30 Nov 1999 20:35:17 EST >>i'm NOT impressed with the nothing left (breeder mix). the sasha version of belfast ("belfunk") sounds nothing at all like the original, but is rather good trancy housy whatever in its own right. but if you just wanna hear it i surely wouldn't shell out 20 USD for the 12" - it's on sasha's xpander ep, now available domestically (oops, that's a very biased term - i mean "in the U.S." - no offense!!!) along with some other top choons. << Point of information Belfunk, which is on Sasha's Expander EP, is completely different from the remix that is going around on the latest Orbital 2x12". The mix on the 2x12" is called Sasha vs The Light Mix, which actually sounds more like the original Belfast. Not the best, but damn good. -Cas- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: Re: (orbital) arbitrary definitions Date: 30 Nov 1999 21:01:16 -0500 I really like Xpander and Rabbitweed, though. Very nice. -Marc Sawaya Thing181@aol.com wrote: > >>i'm NOT impressed with the nothing left (breeder mix). the sasha version > of belfast ("belfunk") sounds nothing at all like the original, but is > rather good trancy housy whatever in its own right. but if you just wanna > hear it i surely wouldn't shell out 20 USD for the 12" - it's on sasha's > xpander ep, now available domestically (oops, that's a very biased term - > i mean "in the U.S." - no offense!!!) along with some other top choons. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital