From: chump Subject: (orbital) http://www.jibjab.com/cartoons/frameindex.asp?dir=extras&file=cl_movie01.htm Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:40:41 +0200 kinda kewl -- bye chump chump@netvision.net.il # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) orbital, mbm oolaa Date: 02 Mar 2000 12:47:49 -0500 hey Philip sent me the MBM remix of Oolaa, and it's in the upload directory, called Orbital - Oolaa (MBM remix), or something. good stuff, just to clear up the confused people trying to download the .rars. oh, and if you went to my site and there was only the upload folder, I'm really sorry, that's all fixed now. Marc # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Way off topic Date: 02 Mar 2000 14:36:20 EST Alright, when FTPing, I get various errors... Is there anyway I can find out what errors like this mean? "421 Unable to connect to remote server. Try again later." What the hell does "421" mean? Thanks, Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Way off topic Date: 02 Mar 2000 20:44:35 +0000 > Alright, when FTPing, I get various errors... > > Is there anyway I can find out what errors like this mean? > > "421 Unable to connect to remote server. Try again later." > > What the hell does "421" mean? > > Thanks, > Rob It means: "I'm unable to connect to the remote server. Try again later!" ;-D No really, that's it basically, it means the server is unreachable, and 421 is only the return code, much like the legendary 404 which means "http not found"!... and the return code of 421 means the above, that's it... DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gargin, Philip (Frankfurt)" Subject: RE: (orbital) Well? Date: 03 Mar 2000 10:38:08 +0100 I've been waiting for someone to comment on 'The Beached' single. Are the versions included different to the one on the soundtrack album? Phil # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Digger Subject: RE: (orbital) Well? Date: 03 Mar 2000 05:50:00 -0600 I don't know....but I love the soundtrack! I'm interested in knowing about the single too...somone spill! Thanks! At 10:38 AM 3/3/00 +0100, you wrote: >I've been waiting for someone to comment on 'The Beached' single. >Are the versions included different to the one on the soundtrack album? >Phil Thanks, Digger Digger@Jorsm.Com "And Now I'm Aching For You...But there's much to do 'cause there's NOTHING LEFT" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: RE: (orbital) Well? Date: 03 Mar 2000 16:41:55 GMT So, somebody has to step up to the task then, Orbital & Angelo Badalamenti - Beached - the single released on 28th February 2000. Track Listing : Beached (Radio edit) Beached (Long version) Doctor, lookout! The radio edit of Beached is the annoying version I heard lots of complaints about. Leo keeps talking all through the track and ruins a completely good tune. The long version is the one I once offered on MP3 until I heard about this release, it has only some Leo-talk at the very start and some again in the end after about 7 minutes of aural pleasure with Orbital's remix of the original The Beach theme. I haven't got the soundtrack, but I reckon the album version is probably a lot like these two versions, only one's a shorter edit and the other has some extra build-up added before its climax and that "silver-lining classic film"-ish string part that tunes in between the bassline with a sort of female chorus doing their "hallelujah" aaaaah-thing. If this makes _ANY_ sense. Doctor, lookout! anyway, is a scorcher! Absolutely cracking, it sounds so much like an earlier Orbital tune and it's splitting my head trying to figure out just which one. I'm not sure whether the Doctor part in the title refers to an ongoing thing for Orbital to use samples from Dr. Who, but I reckon that's where they come from anyway. Backed by what I could only characterise as an experimental, deep bassline and led by an arcade-like whooshy lead and a female chorus, it clearly stands out as the better track of the single, not the B-side it's supposed to be. (in my humble opinion anyway). I'm not sure about that second lead I just can't pinpoint however, but I am fairly positive these chords have been used earlier only with a different arrangement. The single is worth getting, not for Beached, but for this last track in my opinion. But of course, Beached is also a good track but nothing as monumental as the former. I never said I was a reviewer so you'll have to do with this subjective, unprofessional review. Input-out, Trym In a mail fairly recently, Digger wrote: >I don't know....but I love the soundtrack! > >I'm interested in knowing about the single too...somone spill! Thanks! > >At 10:38 AM 3/3/00 +0100, you wrote: > >I've been waiting for someone to comment on 'The Beached' single. > >Are the versions included different to the one on the soundtrack album? > >Phil >Thanks, > Digger > Digger@Jorsm.Com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: RE: (orbital) Well? Date: 03 Mar 2000 19:03:21 +0000 At 16:41 03/03/00 +0000, Trym Asserson wrote: >So, somebody has to step up to the task then, OK, my thoughts then: I like the tune on Beached, the bassline and beat are a bit lumpy though, but it's a decent track. Far better than the average chart fodder, of course. The vocals are, as I think's been agreed before, the worst point, but at least they're confined to the intro on the long version. As for Doctor, Lookout, I too reckon the sample's from Doctor Who, or maybe that's too obvious? The drums sound rather TGWTSIHH to me, and the tune seems to be a bit like that Madonna remix they did. In fact, most of it sounds sort-of similar to previous stuff, but, like Trym, I can't place much of it. Do I like it? Hmmm, not sure. It's infuriating at the moment 'cos I can't figure out what each bit sounds lie, which is doing my head in! I have to give it some more listens, but I'm too busy with the AUX88 Electro Boogie mix CD these days... cheers, Jon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arfie Mansfield" Subject: Re: (orbital) Well? Date: 04 Mar 2000 12:51:32 +0000 >I'm not sure whether the Doctor part in the title refers to an ongoing >thing for Orbital to use samples from Dr. Who, but I reckon that's >where they come from anyway. I'm almost certain they're from DW - from about 1967-69 I think. =-=Arfie=-= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) New singles Date: 04 Mar 2000 13:17:41 -0500 Well, a _very_ big thanks to Tasan, as he uploaded 6 Orbital singles I didn't have, plumb cleaning me out of disk space once again. You can find them in the Orbital directory, and I suggest you do, because they're very pretty. And Tasan worked very hard. Marc # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) New singles Date: 04 Mar 2000 21:16:56 +0000 > Well, a _very_ big thanks to Tasan, as he uploaded 6 Orbital singles I > didn't have, plumb cleaning me out of disk space once again. You can > find them in the Orbital directory, and I suggest you do, because > they're very pretty. And Tasan worked very hard. > > Marc ...and who the hell IS this Tasan? <:-) Some Lurker? Come on, de-lurk!.. DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (orbital) New member of the list Date: 03 Mar 2000 18:01:34 +0100 Hello everybody! It's nice to meet you. Let me introduce you to myself. I live in Madrid (Spain). My interest in Orbital is for the huge admiration that I feel towards Hartnoll bros' music. I started to listen to Orbital around 1991 when I bought Orbital 1. My favourite Orbital's song is "Satan", I think this track has many EBM influences! :-) I also like the The Beach single. From these lines that amiably you grant to me, I want in the first place thanks to allow me to share your list. Secondly, I want you to request pardon for my broken English, thus would appreciate your understanding. And will glad of your help. I beg you to be patient with me. I be grateful for you were trying to help. And I appreciate your goodwill. If you need anything be reach of my hand don't hesitate to ask me, and I will do my best to please you. Thanks again for your kindness. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr. Telex" Subject: (orbital) Der Automat and Marc's FTP Date: 05 Mar 2000 17:39:48 GMT Hey guys. Just wanted to say a very tired "what's up" to everyone. Work sucks. ;-P Der Automat, it's quite a pleasure to see you cross over to the Orbital list now. You've always been a great source of information. Don't worry about the broken English, either. :-) Hey Marc; still having problems uploading to your site. I wanted to put up the first four out-of-print Kraftwerk albums and some singles. I guess maybe Rob could do it since his connection is better than mine (you still have all that stuff on your drive don't you man ?). - Josh "Waiting anxiously for FFRR and the bros to release a b-sides/remixes set and a home video". ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) Garbage/Orbital remix... Date: 05 Mar 2000 19:45:18 +0000 Anybody know anything about a Orbital remix of Garbage's I Think I'm Paranoid? I can't access Napster due to my IP Masq server. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thing181@aol.com Subject: Re: (orbital) Garbage/Orbital remix... Date: 05 Mar 2000 16:31:45 EST << Anybody know anything about a Orbital remix of Garbage's I Think I'm Paranoid? I can't access Napster due to my IP Masq server.>> I believe that this would be another case of people not labeling their MP3 correctly. The mix in question is most likely Garbage - I Think I am Crystalized (Cystal Method Mix). -Cas- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Announcements. Date: 05 Mar 2000 21:45:41 EST Hello Hello, Yes sir, I have the KW stuff on my drive at home, since my tiny little laptop can't handle such superior files as the ones bearing the Kraftwerk name :-) I'll have my brother ftp them asap and upload 'em to Marky Marc's site. Hey, if anyone out there is keen on Nick Warren, I'm frantically looking for an ftp with GU Budapest, Prague, and Sydney. If anyone can help me out, I'd be glad to share some choice goods. Just name your price. To Philly Gardin, just got a call from Sony, burner's going to be replaced and sent back Tuesday, should have 'em out this week. To Deekay, much thanks goes out to you for the Oakenfold stuff. My friends give you big respect. Also, are you familiar with some sort of sauna complex/resort in Stuttgart? My father was there yesterday and said it was insane. You'd never see that shit here in the states! (Rule #1: It is not permissible to wear clothes. Must be naked!) I'll be in the Stuttgart area in May/June. Can you recommend clubs, etc? Marc, I think we all can agree that your server rox. I'm sort of afraid that sooner or later you'll get shut down though. Maybe we should keep it on the down-low for a while? Alright y'all. (ATTENTION AJ & MARC!!)If anyone is in the Boston area on March 17, don't be afraid to meander down to Axis for a special session from my man Oakey. Yes, Axis, the same place Orbital have performed and rocked :-) They redid the place, it nows rivals Avalon I think. M80 reports they'll have Sasha next month, and Danny Tenaglia in a few weeks. Peace, Robbie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Oakenfold on my server Date: 06 Mar 2000 08:02:25 -0500 Hi guys, I'm leaving for Montreal for a week, so my server is going to be completely dedicated to your bandwidth, none of my tampering. That also means I won't be able to boot people who've been idle for an hour, so be courteous, and if there are a lot of people on, wait until later, because everyone is gone for break, and I suppose it's relatively easy to alert net ops. Anyway, I may be taking down the Oakenfold bootlegs Deekay so generously uploaded when I get back, because they're taking up a lot of disk space. If you haven't gotten some, now is the time. If I get too many e-mails in protestation, I may just have you guys buy me another hard drive, so we'll see. FTP is apocrypha.res.wpi.net, l/p:orbital, and Oakie resides in the Upload/Paul Oakenfold dir. Have a go. -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tasan" Subject: Re: (orbital) New singles Date: 06 Mar 2000 11:33:32 -0000 Bah, if i must =) Im pretty new to the list so just getting to grips with things, Marc's site was one of the first posts i had so i thought i would do my best to get it as complete as i can. If Marc has the space to accommodate it of course =) Hope you lot find it all useful anyways, there's a few more to go up providing Marc wants me to continue... Enjoy =) Tasan ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 9:16 PM > > ...and who the hell IS this Tasan? <:-) Some Lurker? > Come on, de-lurk!.. > > DeeKay > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) CD Burning Errors. Date: 06 Mar 2000 13:12:07 EST And, yet another CD Burning question from Rob... Alright, I downloaded some mp3s and I went to burn them on my girlfriend's CD burner. The CD seemed to burn fine. The tracks showed up on the CD player and everything. But, when you play the CD, it sounds like Alvin and the Chipmunks. It's all fast and shit. I mean, I was trying to burn Peter Gabriel, and all the songs were playing at 10X the speed they usually play at. It wasn't the CD player's fault either. I burned some other stuff too, and it burned fine, which makes me believe it was the original mp3 that was encoded strangely or something, yet the mp3s sound fine. What can I do about this, and can anyone tell me what the hell is going on? Thanks, Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson" Subject: Re: (orbital) CD Burning Errors. Date: 06 Mar 2000 18:44:31 +0000 At 13:12 6.3.2000 -0500, Robert Schultz wrote: >What can I do about this, and can anyone tell me what the hell is going on? hmm dunno what the problem is, but try this: use winamp's wav-writer output plugin to convert all the mp3s into wav's, then play the wav's in winamp (via the normal output plugin ;) and check if they sound ok. if they do, burn them :) Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://nemesis1.cjb.net w00p! :P # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Marc's FTP Date: 06 Mar 2000 16:18:45 EST I'm having problems uploading to Marc's site too. "550 Permission denied. Error uploading file, I tried 2 times but that didn't work so I give up..." I was going to upload the two part Sasha and Digweed live Independence Night. Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Marc's FTP Date: 07 Mar 2000 03:48:54 +0000 > I'm having problems uploading to Marc's site too. > > "550 Permission denied. > Error uploading file, I tried 2 times but that didn't work so I give up..." > LOL! 8) Gotta love Bulletproof's way of talking to the user! <:-D > I was going to upload the two part Sasha and Digweed live Independence > Night. > > Rob > Hmm... It's prolly just the HD again that's full!... DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian Mahuron" Subject: (orbital) It's cancer guys Date: 07 Mar 2000 11:59:45 -0800 Well.. lots has happened since I sent my last message to the list 3 weeks ago. I thought I had bronchitis or something.. I ended up in the hospital on the 15th of February with a collapsed lung. 4 liters of fluid was drained from my left lung.. 1 liter from around my heart... then they found a tumor in my chest that was causing all of this. I was in the hospital for a full week... without any Orbital! Fuckin' Hodgkin's disease... I'm 21 years old and have to deal with this cancer shit. I'm going through chemo for 6 months.. and then hopefully it will be gone. To top the whole thing off, my baby daughter was born on 03/04/2000 .. emergency cesarean.. the baby was breach with the umbilical cord wrapped around her neck 3 times.. she's been in the hospital ever since.. having trouble breathing.. but they assure my wife and I that she'll be fine. She's absolutely beautiful!! Don't take life for granted guys! It's amazing how quickly things can turn around on you. And for the 20th time.. I know some of you are expecting boots from me.. please kick me off an e-mail reminder of what you're waiting for, your mailing address, etc.. I'll have plenty of time to send them all off. Bye for now. Ian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gargin, Philip (Frankfurt)" Subject: RE: (orbital) Well? Date: 08 Mar 2000 17:36:25 +0100 I've got the Beached single. It says the track is actually written by Angelo Badalamenti, who the hell is he? The 'Doctor Look Out' track is classic Orbital, it kind has a Sniv feel to it. It reminds me of a trcak but I can't quite place it. It maybe one of those Orbital tracks that start out as a remix but end up as a completely different track. Or it may not. What do I know? Someone will have to ask the Hartnolls. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Belbin Subject: (orbital) aaaah Date: 08 Mar 2000 23:38:16 +0000 aaaah, it's nice to be back, having finally managed to get hold of an iMac (as long as the finance company don't find out I've just gone back on the dole), and can get back into the glorious land of tech have I missed anything? Marc - if you still want those tracks, I can get them to you now. Rich THIS WEEKS STAR TURNS Wire Dot dash Cure There Is No If... Richi8e Hawtin Minus/orange # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JL Jones" Subject: Re: (orbital) Well? Date: 08 Mar 2000 12:34:35 -0500 Ahh!! I was wondering about that, I finally got to hear beached too. Kept thinking this sure has a similar feel to the theme from "Twin Peaks" (another Badalamenti work) just "Orbitalized"... sounds cool though... I say similar feel in the melodic progression, I know it doesnt sound the same.. I like it, personally... and I hate to say it the way they worked Leo's voice... it works... "Hit me" Jim J. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 11:36 AM > > I've got the Beached single. > It says the track is actually written by Angelo Badalamenti, who the hell is > he? > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: RE: (orbital) Well? Date: 09 Mar 2000 12:02:33 GMT >The 'Doctor Look Out' track is classic Orbital, it kind has a Sniv >feel to >it. It reminds me of a trcak but I can't quite place it. It >maybe one of >those Orbital tracks that start out as a remix but end >up as a completely >different track. Or it may not. What do I know? >Someone will have to ask >the Hartnolls. I think I just remembered where the arcade chords come from, try listening to Mock Tudor again. Just struck me as a possibility, if not then it has to be from the Times Fly EP somewhere, I've picked my own brains inside out to figure out what the "unplaceable" track is. Trym Trym Asserson - 'Apollo' - apollo_project@hotmail.com Biosphere Zine : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceetba/apollo/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) Beach Protests Date: 09 Mar 2000 07:50:41 -0500 Unfortunately for our environmentally conscious brothers, Thai's are protesting The Beach at movie theaters. The protesters are saying that the movie-makers destroyed a once pristine island to make the movie. For the Leonardo DiCaprio fans out there ;) i saw this great pic of a guy out front of a Thai theater wearing a Leonardo mask that had vampire fangs drawn on it, dripping blood. The protester was all covered in fake blood too and acting out a mock Hari-kari with a big knife stuck in his gut! Yuk! See it fer yersef at: http://excite.com/photo/img/ap/thailand/the/beach/20000307/xbk102?r=/photo/topic/entertainment Shan-man -- ______________ s. k. campbell _____________________ UT.Med.Ctr.@Knoxville The Image Processing Lab ph.423.544.9693 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arfie Mansfield" Subject: Re: (orbital) Well? Date: 09 Mar 2000 17:20:55 +0000 DLO strikes me as a sort of emalgamation of everything they've ever done, while still managing to be completely original. So there. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) Beached... Date: 09 Mar 2000 18:46:17 +0000 Been looking for the EP today, nobody has it around here! >:-( Fuck this... But anyway, just listening to the soundtrack 'version' and it suddenly struck me where they 'recycled' their own chord sample from: Pied Piper/Golden Girls - Kinetic Am i right??? ;-D Go listen to both of them and compare! ;-D DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: Re: (orbital) Beached/Doctor Lookout!/Pet Shop Boys mix? Date: 09 Mar 2000 19:53:16 GMT DeeKay wrote: >Been looking for the EP today, nobody has it around here! >:-( Fuck >this... >But anyway, just listening to the soundtrack 'version' and it >suddenly struck me where they 'recycled' their own chord sample from: > >Pied Piper/Golden Girls - Kinetic > >Am i right??? ;-D Go listen to both of them and compare! ;-D > >DeeKay clearly a similarity, my problem was in placing Doctor, Lookout! not Beached although that sounds familiar too. However, as someone just put it; DL! strikes me as a combination of all earlier Orbital material in addition to proving original. Clever little track, deserves more recognition than Beached. Btw, I just came across an MP3 earlier, Pet Shop Boys - Up Against It (Orbital Mix), is this Orbital or just a fake/wrongly named mix? Trym Trym Asserson - 'Apollo' - apollo_project@hotmail.com Biosphere Zine : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceetba/apollo/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: Re: (orbital) more about Rob Dougan - music in prog ad on C4 recently Date: 09 Mar 2000 19:56:09 GMT For the islanders here, I mean the UK-island if there are others here too. Channel 4 are having ads nowadays for a show The Ex-Files, and the music reminds me a lot of Rob Dougan's "Clubbed to Death" track. If you know which track I refer to, or watch it sometime soon when you sit down to watch something on C4, I'd be pleased to know suggestions to what song this is. Trym Trym Asserson - 'Apollo' - apollo_project@hotmail.com Biosphere Zine : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceetba/apollo/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arfie Mansfield" Subject: Re: (orbital) more about Rob Dougan - music in prog ad on C4 recently Date: 09 Mar 2000 20:30:56 +0000 >If you know which track I refer to, or watch it sometime soon when you >sit down to watch something on C4, I'd be pleased to know suggestions >to what song this is. It's Moby. Can't remember which it is, but I can remember it's one from Play. =-=Arfie=-= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chump Subject: (orbital) http://www.planetx.com/pooh/images.phtml Date: 10 Mar 2000 03:37:33 +0200 http://www.planetx.com/pooh/images.phtml -- bye chump chump@netvision.net.il # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Joona_P=F6yh=F6nen?= Subject: (orbital) Halcyon with Bon Jovi/Belinda Date: 11 Mar 2000 08:17:53 +0200 Could someone please upload Halcyon live with Bon Jovi/ Belinda Carlslile samples?????? to Marc's ftp? thanks # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: Re: (orbital) Halcyon Live w/ Bon Jovi and Belinda Carlisle Date: 11 Mar 2000 16:08:03 GMT already there under techno/orbital/insides_disc_2/halcyon_live.mp3 as far as I can see. Trym ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: (orbital) bootleg? yeah!! Date: 11 Mar 2000 16:17:41 GMT I thought about how I could offer the Orbital - Live in Roskilde bootleg as I simply do not have the time to make copies of the cd, it's a 2CD set and it'll take too much of the time I sorely need to spend on my finals. I'll try to keep my promise to the few I promised a copy however. So I've come to the conclusion of making it available on MP3 shortly instead, and I'll try upload it to Sawaya's server if I figure out how (or maybe it's not difficult at all). Anyway, just so you know, there'll be another bootleg available hopefully in another two weeks' time. all the best, Trym Trym Asserson - 'Apollo' - apollo_project@hotmail.com Biosphere Zine : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceetba/apollo/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) bootleg? yeah!! Date: 11 Mar 2000 18:42:37 +0000 Shit, you were faster! ;-D I planned this as a surprise for all of ya, but that dude who's supposed to send it to me doesn't deliver! >:-( Dee > > I thought about how I could offer the Orbital - Live in Roskilde bootleg as > I simply do not have the time to make copies of the cd, it's a 2CD set and > it'll take too much of the time I sorely need to spend on my finals. I'll > try to keep my promise to the few I promised a copy however. > > So I've come to the conclusion of making it available on MP3 shortly > instead, and I'll try upload it to Sawaya's server if I figure out how (or > maybe it's not difficult at all). Anyway, just so you know, there'll be > another bootleg available hopefully in another two weeks' time. > > all the best, > > Trym > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chump Subject: (orbital) http://www.manga.com/ghost/ghost.html Date: 12 Mar 2000 03:02:24 +0200 http://www.manga.com/ghost/ghost.html -- bye chump chump@netvision.net.il # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: Re: (orbital) bootleg? yeah!! Date: 12 Mar 2000 13:56:39 GMT >What year is this from? if you send it to me i will burn it for >people. That is also an idea, so watch this space later. As I said, I'm very busy now. I'll need your address though for when I get it done. Forgot to say that. It's from the July 2nd, 1999. Roskilde festival last year and the Middle of Nowhere Tour in other words. Track listing is: disc 1: Way Out -> Spare Parts Express Impact (Earth is Burning) Know Where To Run Halcyon (w/ both samples) disc 2: I Don't Know You People The Box Style (bigpipe) Satan Dr. Who Chime That's it. Some of the transitions between the tracks give you tasters of earlier tracks, I seem to remember. And the recording has been tainted by the annoying jingles? of a radio station. But it's good quality and the Dr. Who track is great if you don't have a decent quality version yet. I'll do my best with the encoding at the requested Kbps. Size is no problem, my trusty LS120 allows for easy transfer anyway. Trym Trym Asserson - 'Apollo' - apollo_project@hotmail.com Biosphere Zine : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceetba/apollo/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) Orbital on German TV... Date: 13 Mar 2000 00:28:08 +0000 Despite the fact that Orbital is largely totally unknown in Germany they really seem to be catching on with the TV dudes! 8) I've seen quite a few reports and trailers by now that make use of Orbital music, just now i am watching a report on the seeking of dead bodies via Infrared Cameras accompanied by P.E.T.R.O.L.... Yuckies! <:-) And yes, the Saint was on tonight, ofcourse the Trailer for it that was shown about 50 times a day used the Orbital Theme! ;-D DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brandon Invergo Subject: (orbital) so long, farewell... Date: 12 Mar 2000 17:31:33 -0800 (PST) well, i'm afraid it's time for this orbitalhead to say goodbye (at least for the time being). i've been incredibly busy recently with school and social life,and have had no time to check my email, so i've built up a nice reserve of orbital list mail. so, i'm saying goodbye for now. i may join up again in september when i go to college and have no life. it's been a great..hmmm...2 years? that sounds right. you guys are great and i hope to see some familiar names when i sign back on. until then, if anyone ever wants to reach me for some sick reason, you'll be able to find me occasionally at the following places: kwikyslush@yahoo.com kwikyslush@mediaone.net Kwikeslush (AIM) kwikyslush (yahoo pager) 29365608 (ICQ) goodbye all...have fun. keep listening to orbital. that's an order! signing off, brandon invergo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Orbital vs. The Herb Date: 13 Mar 2000 09:51:22 EST Alright, The other night, I was in my girlfriend's apartment, and I don't condone it, but yeah, some smoking up was done. However, this mail isn't about that... They started listening to shit like Fiona Apple, and Foo Fighters, and stuff, and I was like "AHHHHH!!!" and I said "Damn, your smoking music sucks!" hehehehe So, I took it upon myself to introduce them all to Halcyon!!! Oh yeah! I'm sure some of you have been told you listen to "strange techno shit" by your peers, and that's the case with myself as well. That's why everyone was so reluctant to listen to my stuff. However, with the air thick with smoke, christmas lights twinkling, and the blacklight-a-shining, Halcyon filled the air, and everyone with glee :-) It was funny watching them try to comprehend what they were listening to, they were all bugging out and stuff. hehehehe Oh, and then the Bon Jovi part came on and they almost died! Then, my people, DJ Rob played Belfast, followed by Attached, The Girl with the Sun in Her Head, Out There Somewhere, Dr. Who, and finally they wanted to hear Halcyon again, so by popular demand, it was played again. :-)))) So, once again, Halcyon continues to be the song that introduces most people to the wonderful Orbital frequencies. And, that was about 5 people converted in once night, I'm quite proud of myself :-) And I doubt they'll even remember that the name of the group was Orbital, crazy stoners... ;-) Just thought I'd share my weekend with y'all Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) Orbital vs. The Herb Date: 13 Mar 2000 11:07:36 -0500 Take Care Brandon! We'll be waiting to hear from you where-ever you land... and Robert Schultz wrote: > > Alright, > > The other night, I was in my girlfriend's apartment, and I don't condone it, > but yeah, some smoking up was done. Exxxscellent! [Monty Burns] > And I doubt they'll even remember that the name of the group was Orbital, > crazy stoners... ;-) > > Just thought I'd share my weekend with y'all YOU GO Girl! You wouldn't believe how many hillbilly's around here know about ONE techno group because I've 'turned them on' to THE mighty O. And they can listen to Southern Culture on the Skids[highly recommended surf-a-billy trash] and the Mighty O back-to-back now, without blinking! Everybody smilin'!!! >8))) I even had some Roofers boogie-ing to The Austin Show one lovely Friday morning not too long ago. Made their whole day! SPREAD THE WORD!!! We're on a Mission! ;) Last month I introduced myself to the 'idm' list and asked if anyone was into the Big O and NOBODY replied-to [admitted] the list. So maybe they're afraid that melody and groove are not extreme enuf to bring up on the idm... But!!! I got 10 mails the first day, including some old fux that used to be more vocal around here! I'm burnin' for a guy in argentina that works in a banco! {and you guys too, first of course} Children! Come on down to the Altar of O and let your spirit flow! Seizures!!! Shan-man -- ______________ s. k. campbell _____________________ UT.Med.Ctr.@Knoxville The Image Processing Lab ph.423.544.9693 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital vs. The Herb Date: 13 Mar 2000 11:50:20 EST Shannon (who is NOT a girl) proclaimed: "I even had some Roofers boogie-ing to The Austin Show one lovely Friday morning not too long ago. Made their whole day!" YES YES! You know that once you break into the construction, roofing, and carpentry market, you're in!!! ;-) "Last month I introduced myself to the 'idm' list and asked if anyone was into the Big O and NOBODY replied-to [admitted] the list. So maybe they're afraid that melody and groove are not extreme enuf to bring up on the idm..." Yeah, well I find that many of the IDM people are really quite closed minded about Orbital. They can't see past the whole "mainstream" thing. That's alright, some of that IDM stuff is just drills and sandpaper anyway ;-) It's a two-way street! "I'm burnin' for a guy in argentina that works in a banco! {and you guys too, first of course}" Awwww yeah! Yeah, you'll notice that the Kingdom of Orbital spreads far and wide. From the deserts of Subsahara to the jungles of South America, from the frozen tundra of the Antartic to the umm..beautiful trailer parks of Texas. ;-) People from all walks of life, my people! "Children! Come on down to the Altar of O and let your spirit flow!" Amen, Amen I say to you my brother!!! Can I get a haleluya!!!!!???? We're all children bound by the Covenant of O! Hasta luego, Rob the pseud-O-Evangelist ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gargin, Philip (Frankfurt)" Subject: RE: (orbital) Orbital vs. The Herb Date: 13 Mar 2000 18:16:12 +0100 I tried out some Orbital on my girlfriend-thingy (early days, don't want to sound too serious yet). I wasn't sure if she would be able to deal with it. I played my favourite disc, the Live Satan CD 3 with Chime/Impact. She liked it! I've manged to use this disc on other people to grab their interest, usually people who already have experience of dance culture though. It usually works. It's the best version of Impact ever, but I might be biased because I was in the audience that day. We didn't smoke anything. First Orbital I heard was Halycon (CD single version). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: (orbital) Impact live vs. Impact live Date: 13 Mar 2000 20:57:14 +0000 At 18:16 13/03/00 +0100, Gargin, Philip (Frankfurt) wrote: > >the Live Satan CD 3 >It's the best version of Impact ever, but I might be biased because I was >in the audience that day. my vote goes to last year's "backwards" version - just edging out that version. Jon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital vs. The Herb Date: 14 Mar 2000 01:50:42 +0000 > Then, my people, DJ Rob played Belfast, followed by Attached, The Girl with > the Sun in Her Head, Out There Somewhere, Dr. Who, and finally they wanted > to hear Halcyon again, so by popular demand, it was played again. :-)))) > Hehe, yeah, Halcyon is complete bliss, it has this joyful sound that reaches almost ANYONE! 8) But you were a BAD boy for not playing Adnan's!.. Other than that areally nice choice, i'd have gone for something similar, only minor variations, i'd maybe have replaced Attached with semi-Detached, Belfast with the Belfast Wasted Vocal mix and Dr.Who with Are we here! 8) Speaking of Halcyon: Try the long version next time! 8) Am I the only one who doesn't get the fuzz about the Jovi/Carlisle live version? I mean it's sure a cool idea to mix these, but does it have to be a song as beautiful as Halcyon?? "Shot through the heart" - yeah, through the exact same one that's been beautifully soothed until now! > So, once again, Halcyon continues to be the song that introduces most people > to the wonderful Orbital frequencies. And, that was about 5 people converted > in once night, I'm quite proud of myself :-) > Hehe, I like to do this myself, too! ;-D And i managed to convert quite a few people up to now! 8) And you know.... Germany... They never even EVER played or were played here! <:-( > Rob > Spread the word! 8) DeeKay P.S.: Halcyon was the soundtrack to some VERY good moments in my life sofar! 8) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Joona_P=F6yh=F6nen?= Subject: (orbital) marc's server Date: 14 Mar 2000 09:45:21 +0200 Marc's ftp seems to be doing quite well at the moment. If someone has any good ALBUMS similiar to Orbital, go on and upload them, 'cause full albums are much more fun to listen to! thanks for your time -joona # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: Re: (orbital) marc's server Date: 14 Mar 2000 12:01:27 GMT >Marc's ftp seems to be doing quite well at the moment. If someone has >any >good ALBUMS similiar to Orbital, go on and upload them, 'cause >full albums >are much more fun to listen to! thanks for your time on that note I'll try upload the bootleg tonight, got the full 115 MB on 192Kbps 44Khz MP3s with me today. Trym Trym Asserson - 'Apollo' - apollo_project@hotmail.com Biosphere Zine : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceetba/apollo/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kel Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital vs. The Herb Date: 13 Mar 2000 19:02:37 -0500 Robert Schultz wrote: > Alright, > > The other night, I was in my girlfriend's apartment, and I don't condone it, > but yeah, some smoking up was done. Oy, funny story now :) This was just the other week that my friend and I went to a, ahem, rave party downtown, and my friend, in his NoFX "Punkin' Donuts" t-shirt and studded leather bracelets, knocked back like four Rolexes and wound up at his local Disc-Go-Round or whatever at like nine in the morning. He was on no sleep, but apparently he bought a used copy of Orbital 2 (yes, USED) and went home and blasted it on his stereo for the rest of the day. He came up to me in school oozing all over my arm and was like "Orbital are such geniuses and my god that Lush is a fricking masterpiece oh my god man..." The next day I got back my own copy of Brown from a straightedge punk friend of mine who didn't like it all that much. His comment was, "It's kind of like weird druggy music, I don't know..." Anyway, thought I'd share that... :) I've only had luck converting one of my friends to hardcore Orbital, and this I did by making him three Orbital tapes (about 300 min) back in the day. What a tangled web we weave, I suppose... - KEL: has to write an essay in spanish on Jorge Luis Borges. therefore is forced to write pointless letters. !no me gustan los lunes! ;; http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/chimester/index.htm ;; >> now playing :: Electro-land >> Cheyenne (christopher lawrence mix) >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Henry Birdseye" Subject: (orbital) Orbital mp3's Date: 14 Mar 2000 23:01:10 -0500 I haven't seen it mentioned, but Napster just RULES for Orbital searches. Anybody have a Napster/Rapster/Macster site going? ----- Henry S. Birdseye icq# 11685997 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) my ftp server Date: 14 Mar 2000 23:30:04 -0500 ok, I can no longer handle 1.82GB of Paul Oakenfold. Sorry guys, he's just gonna have to be burnt to disc, and then I can handle specific requests. Get what you want now, he won't be up for much longer = (. On a brighter note, I uploaded a bitchin' hardcore trance album called Trance in your mind, and it's in the techno directory. Get it all, or if you don't want to do that, then just get Penguin, Bi Minis, Acid Vol. 3, and Turn up the Music. Great stuff. I may also upload this really hardcore weird stuff by french dj Manu le Malin. I recently obtained his 2 disc Biomechanik comp. I love it, really good where when you're screaming pissed off or really energetic. -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jvan@bcm.tmc.edu" Subject: (orbital) Boards of Canada Date: 15 Mar 2000 00:30:11 -0600 (CST) anyone know where I can get a copy of Boards of Canada's Hi-Scores EP on CD? I bought the Skam re-issue on vinyl a while back but would really like to have this on CD # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: Re: (orbital) Boards of Canada Date: 15 Mar 2000 19:01:56 +0000 At 00:30 15/03/00 -0600, jvan@bcm.tmc.edu wrote: > > > >anyone know where I can get a copy of Boards of Canada's Hi-Scores EP >on CD? I bought the Skam re-issue on vinyl a while back >but would really like to have this on CD I suspect it's never been released on CD, but you could try Warp's site http://www.warp-net.com/warp/ as they have/had some Skam reissues a while back. Jon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kel Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital vs. The Herb Date: 14 Mar 2000 23:29:07 -0500 deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: > Hehe, yeah, Halcyon is complete bliss, it has this joyful sound that > reaches almost ANYONE! 8) But you were a BAD boy for not playing > Adnan's!.. Other than that areally nice choice... My ideal smoker's set would be: Deeper, Halcyon+on+on, Are we Hhre?, Way out, The girl with the sun in her head, Semi-detached, and then maybe a cameo from "Out-of-body experience" by Rabbit in the moon... ouch. Not that I know anything about this sort of music programming circumstance, however. Hell no. But I'll have to try that this weekend with my "friends" :) > Am I the only one who doesn't get the fuzz about the Jovi/Carlisle > live version? I mean it's sure a cool idea to mix these, but does it > have to be a song as beautiful as Halcyon?? Um the way it went I think people were giving them flak about looping an Opus III vocal sample as the main hook of their "hit" song so they recalled an old copyright debate between Bon Jovi and Belinda Carlisle... that BJ alleged that BC copied the rhythm and meter of "shot thru the heart" to make "heaven is a place on earth"... thus they played a little legal joke by heaping the two on top of each other. Um. I guess :) > P.S.: Halcyon was the soundtrack to some VERY good moments in my life > sofar! 8) This is true for probably 90% of the people on the list ;) ;) Same holds true for Sandra Collins' "Red" and FSOL's "Papua New Guinea"... in fact, I'm going to pop Accelerator into my stereo and spend the rest of the evening on the ceiling... lata - KEL: repeating to himself in broken Spanish, !no me gustan los martes tampoco! cansadissimo... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital vs. The Herb Date: 16 Mar 2000 00:06:10 +0000 > > Hehe, yeah, Halcyon is complete bliss, it has this joyful sound that > > reaches almost ANYONE! 8) But you were a BAD boy for not playing > > Adnan's!.. Other than that areally nice choice... > > My ideal smoker's set would be: Deeper, Halcyon+on+on, Are we Hhre?, Way > out, The girl with the sun in her head, Semi-detached, and then maybe a > cameo from "Out-of-body experience" by Rabbit in the moon... ouch. Not > that I know anything about this sort of music programming circumstance, > however. Hell no. But I'll have to try that this weekend with my > "friends" :) > No 'out there somewhere'??? 8) I think this is PERFECT for the smoker's mind! 8) Hehe, your friends.... right! ;-D Mr. Bong popped by for a visit! 8) > > Am I the only one who doesn't get the fuzz about the Jovi/Carlisle > > live version? I mean it's sure a cool idea to mix these, but does it > > have to be a song as beautiful as Halcyon?? > > Um the way it went I think people were giving them flak about looping an > Opus III vocal sample as the main hook of their "hit" song so they > recalled an old copyright debate between Bon Jovi and Belinda > Carlisle... that BJ alleged that BC copied the rhythm and meter of "shot > thru the heart" to make "heaven is a place on earth"... thus they played > a little legal joke by heaping the two on top of each other. Um. I guess > :) > Ofcoz i know the story behind it, but that still doesn't make it THAT great!... But WHO on earth would "give Orbital flak" for looping in a song as cool as Halcyon? 8) > - KEL: repeating to himself in broken Spanish, !no me gustan los martes > tampoco! cansadissimo... > Steve duerme y huego con su viril! >8) ...which is about the only complete spanish sentence i know!... My ex-gf taught me that one, the naughty one! <:-) Vamos a la playa, muchachos! DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cdrich@juno.com Subject: Re: (orbital) Boards of Canada Date: 15 Mar 2000 18:10:33 -0500 On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:01:56 +0000 Jon Green writes: > > At 00:30 15/03/00 -0600, jvan@bcm.tmc.edu wrote: > >anyone know where I can get a copy of Boards of Canada's Hi-Scores EP > >on CD? I bought the Skam re-issue on vinyl a while back but would really like to have this on CD > I suspect it's never been released on CD, but you could try Warp's site > http://www.warp-net.com/warp/ as they have/had some Skam reissues a while back. It was released on CD the last time it was re-issued (six months ago?). I have it on CD. In fact, Dave at Ear/Rational has it listed right now for $8.50 plus shipping. http://www.xmission.com/~ear/index.html CDRich CDs for sale or trade - new CDs added every Sunday: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/6749/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital vs. The Herb Date: 15 Mar 2000 23:25:40 +0000 Robert Schultz wrote: > > Alright, > > The other night, I was in my girlfriend's apartment, and I don't condone it, > but yeah, some smoking up was done. Hell yeah! :) > They started listening to shit like Fiona Apple, and Foo Fighters, and > stuff, and I was like "AHHHHH!!!" and I said "Damn, your smoking music > sucks!" hehehehe I kinda like Fiona Apple's newest CD, but that's just me. I got a wide range. > So, I took it upon myself to introduce them all to > Halcyon!!! Oh yeah! I'm sure some of you have been told you listen to > "strange techno shit" by your peers, and that's the case with myself as > well. That's why everyone was so reluctant to listen to my stuff. However, > with the air thick with smoke, christmas lights twinkling, and the > blacklight-a-shining, Halcyon filled the air, and everyone with glee :-) It > was funny watching them try to comprehend what they were listening to, they > were all bugging out and stuff. hehehehe Oh, and then the Bon Jovi part came > on and they almost died! What mix is that? The Bon Jovi thing isn't part of the normal mix, is it? > Then, my people, DJ Rob played Belfast, followed by Attached, The Girl with > the Sun in Her Head, Out There Somewhere, Dr. Who, and finally they wanted > to hear Halcyon again, so by popular demand, it was played again. :-)))) GSH...ahhhh! > So, once again, Halcyon continues to be the song that introduces most people > to the wonderful Orbital frequencies. And, that was about 5 people converted > in once night, I'm quite proud of myself :-) I still GSH for my purposes. First ever Orbital song I listened to, and most played song for me. I get high off of that song :) > And I doubt they'll even remember that the name of the group was Orbital, > crazy stoners... ;-) Oh, they might look up The Orb, and grab something like Orbus Terrarum, with is fine by me. But, yes, remind them what the title of the group is. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Old Orbital vs. New Orbital Date: 15 Mar 2000 23:35:14 +0000 "Gargin, Philip (Frankfurt)" wrote: > > I tried out some Orbital on my girlfriend-thingy (early days, don't want to > sound too serious yet). > I wasn't sure if she would be able to deal with it. I played my favourite > disc, the Live Satan CD 3 > with Chime/Impact. She liked it! I've manged to use this disc on other > people to grab their > interest, usually people who already have experience of dance culture > though. It usually works. > It's the best version of Impact ever, but I might be biased because I was in > the audience that day. What's up with people and the older Orbital shit? I really like Halcyon and most of the Orbital 2 album, but there's better tunes on the last three albums. I have a feeling that people think that Orbital's talent has declined as of late, but they've improved on every album, IMO. Orbital 1 kinda sucked (or rather, it was pretty weak). Orbital 2 added some life to their talents. Snivilisation proved that they can make a consistantly great album. In Sides expanded their horizons with new styles, and Middle of Nowhere expanded their instrument set to a nice mix of conventional and electronica sounds. Of course, I've noticed that most of the Moby fans are the fans of the old era. (Not an insult or anything; just an observation.) -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) marc's server Date: 15 Mar 2000 23:38:00 +0000 Joona Pöyhönen wrote: > > Marc's ftp seems to be doing quite well at the moment. If someone has any > good ALBUMS similiar to Orbital, go on and upload them, 'cause full albums > are much more fun to listen to! thanks for your time You are going to hell! These musicians only get 5% of their profits (while the talentless CD cutters get the other 95%), so be nice and buy the damn albums! -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Oakey!!! Date: 15 Mar 2000 21:16:05 EST Ok people, here's the deal on Oakenfold live: http://www.kineticrecords.com/ontour.html Also, Dave Ralph, Sandra Collins, and LTJ Bukem are in there too :-) I'll be at the Axis, Boston show, anyone else planning to show up? 19+/$20 at door. See ya, Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Old Orbital vs. New Orbital Date: 16 Mar 2000 03:41:49 +0000 > What's up with people and the older Orbital shit? I really like Halcyon > and most of the Orbital 2 album, but there's better tunes on the last > three albums. I have a feeling that people think that Orbital's talent > has declined as of late, but they've improved on every album, IMO. > Not at all! 8) IMHO In Sides, the second most recent Album is the BEST one they ever did! The others are equally good, some tracks on each that i really love (though In Sides has the most!) and the rest is 'just good'! 8) > Orbital 1 kinda sucked (or rather, it was pretty weak). Orbital 2 added > some life to their talents. Snivilisation proved that they can make a > consistantly great album. In Sides expanded their horizons with new > styles, and Middle of Nowhere expanded their instrument set to a nice > mix of conventional and electronica sounds. Orbital 1 sucks? Ah COME on! >:-) Belfast... Oolaa... Fahrenheit... It may be not as diverse in style and widespread in instuments as the newer stuff but the TALENT is definately there, please do also keep in mind that it was made in 1991, when you prolly still had a mullet and were headbanging to Def Leppard! >;-D You knew sth like that was coming your way when your said it, right? 8) btw: Aren't we approaching a decade of Orbital soonish??? When was Chime released exactly and what was the official 'founding date' of Orbital? Anyone? Steve? Elvis? (?? ;-) That calls for a Pawtee my friends! A BIG one featuring Orbital themselves and selected hardcore fans like us! 8))) Oooohh... just checked it!.. 8( Chime released in 1989!.. Fuckinell, we just missed it!! How about having one nonetheless? 8) DeeKay NP: Spare Parts express... noone's mentioned it before, but the buildup and climax at the "Why can't anybody hear me?" is really FABULOUS! 8) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Old Orbital vs. New Orbital Date: 16 Mar 2000 03:21:48 +0000 deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: > > Not at all! 8) IMHO In Sides, the second most recent Album is the > BEST one they ever did! The others are equally good, some tracks on > each that i really love (though In Sides has the most!) and the rest > is 'just good'! 8) Besides Quality Seconds (which wasn't a song), Sniv doesn't have a bad/mediocre song in the lot. The first two are my favorites. In Sides is a nice, almost ambient mix of songs. But, MoN is now my favorite album because of its diversity. > Orbital 1 sucks? Ah COME on! >:-) Belfast... Oolaa... Fahrenheit... > It may be not as diverse in style and widespread in instuments as the > newer stuff but the TALENT is definately there, please do also keep > in mind that it was made in 1991, when you prolly still had a mullet > and were headbanging to Def Leppard! >;-D You knew sth like that was > coming your way when your said it, right? 8) Hey hey! I was listening to progressive British rock, my friend. I still listen to it. > NP: Spare Parts express... noone's mentioned it before, but the > buildup and climax at the "Why can't anybody hear me?" is really > FABULOUS! 8) Spare Parts Express is a pretty cool song, except for that damn riff with the disonance. Disonance never works, and I wish ppl would quit experimenting with it. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aimee couture Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital vs. The Herb Date: 16 Mar 2000 01:42:16 -0500 At 11:29 PM 3/14/00 -0500, you wrote: > > P.S.: Halcyon was the soundtrack to some VERY good moments in my life > > sofar! 8) > >This is true for probably 90% of the people on the list ;) ;) actually.. for me it's more like halcyon and tgwtsihh were the soundtracks to some really SHIT moments in my life.. they were all i'd listen to over and over and over yet again.. kept me sane. aimee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Rader" Subject: RE: (orbital) Old Orbital vs. New Orbital Date: 15 Mar 2000 23:16:30 -0800 > Spare Parts Express is a pretty cool song, except for that damn riff > with the disonance. Disonance never works, and I wish ppl would quit > experimenting with it. I think that part of the song is awesome.. it makes it feel really out of control! Oh yeah I like "In Sides" the best by far (my favorite cd of all time in fact). Every song on it is brilliant. "Middle of Nowhere" is VERY close but the fact that I always skip Otono is a strike against it. Am I'm a MOBY freak too!! Shaun __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: Re: (orbital) Old Orbital vs. New Orbital Date: 15 Mar 2000 23:44:04 +0000 At 23:35 15/03/00 +0000, Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > >What's up with people and the older Orbital shit? I really like Halcyon >and most of the Orbital 2 album, but there's better tunes on the last >three albums. I have a feeling that people think that Orbital's talent >has declined as of late, but they've improved on every album, IMO. They were more innovative up to Sniv than since, I think. They've been honing their style and moving into grander, less innovative, territory. And I have a thing for stuff that sounds innovative (to me). In Sides and Middle Of Nowhere are, of course, great, but don't stand up to, for example, Autechre in terms of innovation. That's why I like the older stuff better. >Of course, I've noticed that most of the Moby fans are the fans of the >old era. (Not an insult or anything; just an observation.) I'm not much of a Moby fan, so I guess I'm the exception that would entitle you to call it a rule ;-) I do like "Go", but that's about it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bacchi" Subject: Re: (orbital) Old Orbital vs. New Orbital Date: 16 Mar 2000 21:29:10 -0000 > NP: Spare Parts express... noone's mentioned it before, but the > buildup and climax at the "Why can't anybody hear me?" is really > FABULOUS! 8) oh yes, u r sooo right. that bit kills me, especially live. it fills up my head with a mad buzz. (a good thing btw) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) Roskilde Boot.... Date: 16 Mar 2000 23:47:09 +0000 I got the sending from my dutch friend today and i'm checking it out now, and i have to say that this is prolly the BEST bootleg i ever got, the Quality is A+ and the songs are often nice variations of the known tracks, and beautifully mixed!.. Get it now! 8) DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Old Orbital vs. New Orbital Date: 17 Mar 2000 12:50:08 -0500 Shaun Rader wrote: > > > Spare Parts Express is a pretty cool song, except for that damn riff > > with the disonance. Disonance never works, and I wish ppl would quit > > experimenting with it. > > I think that part of the song is awesome.. it makes it feel really out of > control! Oh yeah I like "In Sides" the best by far (my favorite cd of all > time in fact). Every song on it is brilliant. "Middle of Nowhere" is VERY > close but the fact that I always skip Otono is a strike against it. We're talking about the part at 3:22 to 3:36. It's totally out of tune. Other than that, the song's great. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Roskilde Boot.... Date: 17 Mar 2000 12:52:28 -0500 deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: > > I got the sending from my dutch friend today and i'm checking it out > now, and i have to say that this is prolly the BEST bootleg i ever > got, the Quality is A+ and the songs are often nice variations of the > known tracks, and beautifully mixed!.. Get it now! 8) What band, album, type, etc? -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) Roskilde Boot.... Date: 17 Mar 2000 13:14:58 EST Dude, he's talking about Orbital! R ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony N Gall Subject: Re: (orbital) Spare Parts Express Date: 17 Mar 2000 14:57:35 -0600 (CST) On Fri, 17 Mar 2000, Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > We're talking about the part at 3:22 to 3:36. It's totally out of tune. Other > than that, the song's great. Well, I admit I don't have THAT much musical training, but that part just sounds like one of them crazy scales! I agree that it just makes the song sound way out there. I like it! -Anthony # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) Spare Parts Express Date: 17 Mar 2000 16:08:58 EST Yes, I must also agree with Anthony here. The first time I heard Middle of Nowhere, I instantly noticed the complexity of "Spare Part Express." I think that it MUST be listened to on either a high quality system, or a really excellent pair of headphones. I know we've mentioned this before, but I can't emphasize it enough how important it is to listen to your albums on both speakers and headphones. You'll hear sounds on headphones you never even noticed before. For example, on "Spare Parts..." there's just SO MUCH going on in the song! I used that song to test my Sennheisers, and they more than passed the test :-) Oh, and that vocal sample towards the climax of the song KICKS ASS! Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Spare Parts Express Date: 17 Mar 2000 17:02:49 -0500 Anthony N Gall wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Mar 2000, Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > > > We're talking about the part at 3:22 to 3:36. It's totally out of tune. > > Other than that, the song's great. > > Well, I admit I don't have THAT much musical training, but that part just > sounds like one of them crazy scales! I agree that it just makes the song > sound way out there. I like it! First, let's make sure we are talking about the right part (again). It's introduced in 3:22 and played to 3:36 (2 times), and again at the 8:52 to 9:22 range (4 times). Not the sliding chord going up and down; I like that. It's the high octave whine that makes a few sour notes on the way. It's like somebody trying to play a riff on a flute for the first time and screwing it up. It may be a very small part of the song, but it makes me cringe every time I hear it. BTW, I don't get the "build up" somebody mentioned with the (only) vocal part in the song (7:52). It's not that great. The song has a nice drop off at 3:36, which Orbital seems to be good at, but there aren't that much in noticable build ups in that song. If you want build ups, listen to something like Chem Bros' Sunshine Underground (has 3 really good ones), or the slow build up and sudden tempo change of Lamb's Gorecki, or the creative vocal repetitions of Coldcut's Atomic Moog 2000 (Cornelius Mix). The purpose of those type of tricks is to energize the listener and motivate him to dance (or at least tap his/her foot). I'll be including these songs for your listening pleasure, just in case you didn't have them: http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/temp/mp3/ -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Old Orbital vs. New Orbital Date: 18 Mar 2000 15:46:29 +0000 > Shaun Rader wrote: > > > > > Spare Parts Express is a pretty cool song, except for that damn riff > > > with the disonance. Disonance never works, and I wish ppl would quit > > > experimenting with it. > > > > I think that part of the song is awesome.. it makes it feel really out of > > control! Oh yeah I like "In Sides" the best by far (my favorite cd of all > > time in fact). Every song on it is brilliant. "Middle of Nowhere" is VERY > > close but the fact that I always skip Otono is a strike against it. > > We're talking about the part at 3:22 to 3:36. It's totally out of tune. Other > than that, the song's great. I must say i don't quite hear the dissonance! If at all just at this one second at 3:35 to 3:36! I agree they DO scale alot in that part, but from what i see this is more or less just plain scaling and not dissonant!.. DeeKay P.S.: I somehow feel we already had that discussion, right? <:-) P.P.S.: Yes, the song still really DOES loop in itself! ;-D Addendum.: LOOL! 8) I just read Anthony's mail! Funny how we independantly came to the EXACT same conclusion (scaling)! ;-D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Zappa 95" Subject: (orbital) RE: orbital-digest Date: 18 Mar 2000 18:26:53 +0100 can somebody help me to get the 24-minutes version of Orbital's The Box? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mehul Parekh Subject: (orbital) couple of questions Date: 18 Mar 2000 10:00:46 -0800 (PST) Completely OT. Lamborghini's (sp?) - the pill not the car. I have not heard anything about them. What are they like? My friends and I are getting it tonight and I wanted to ask a few questions of people who may have had it: - how long do they last? - side effects? - can you drink while on these? - does one need a second? - any thing that we should watch out for? Thanks for your help and you may respond privately if you want. MP __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) couple of questions Date: 18 Mar 2000 18:39:30 +0000 Mehul Parekh wrote: > > Completely OT. Of Orbital anyway. Still within the range of the rave scene. > Lamborghini's (sp?) - the pill not the car. I have > not heard anything about them. What are they like? They sound like a type of E pill. There are hundreds of types floating around. I'd make sure _exactly_ what it is before you put it in your mouth. Ok? If it is indeed Ecstasy: > - how long do they last? About 4-5 hours. > - side effects? Dehydration. Talking too much. (Drink lots of water and try to pay attention to how much you talk.) > - can you drink while on these? Don't be stupid, Mehul. Don't drink and take drugs at the same time. Ever. > - does one need a second? They are dosed the way they are dosed for a good reason. Don't ever go above the recommended dosage, especially on your first pill. > - any thing that we should watch out for? Cops. Be sure that your drug dealer is smart and doesn't try dealing in the open or some bullshit like that. Also note that drug use is illegal in the US and you will probably get a felony tacked onto your record if caught. > Thanks for your help and you may respond privately if > you want. Nah, this is shit that everybody needs to know. Speaking of which, here are my rules of drug use: 1. Research what you put in your mouth. 2. Don't go above the recommended dosage. 3. Don't take other drugs in combination of your first drug. This includes drinking and candy-flipping (LSD + E). 4. Needles are stupid. Don't -EVER- put a drug directly into your bloodstream! 5. Don't drive or operate dangerous shit while on drugs. 6. Don't do drugs alone. (WTF is the point?!) 7. Don't take drugs in regular periods. Wait at least a week before using them again. (At the very least, this keeps your tolerance at the same level.) 8. Some drugs have addictions to them. Stay away from physically addictive drugs, and be aware of psychologically addictive drugs. Everybody should follow these rules. Taking drugs is a serious thing. Most of these rules apply to asprin, yet a lot of people don't even follow them when it comes to recreational drug use. Doing that is just going to get you killed. I wish drugs were legalized with businesses marketing and labeling the drugs, for a much safer situation, but you have to make do with what you got. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) couple of questions Date: 18 Mar 2000 14:29:02 EST Hey people. Around Boston, there's this new E floating around that supposedly comes from the UK. My British friends told me that they've heard of it, and that it's actually from Holland. They said it has 5 mg of arsenic in it! (rat poison!) Anyone know anything about this? Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "e. lanum" Subject: (orbital) re: orbital digest Date: 18 Mar 2000 20:42:07 GMT to the person who posted about finding the 24 minute version of the box >assuming you are referring to the 28 minute medley version >its on single thats somewhat rare, and also on one the second disc of >certain versions of insides. >probably try ebay >ive also heard that if you but the album from columbia house (us) >that you get this version >also note that i am from the midwest u.s. so info may be different for you >e. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: Re: (orbital) couple of questions Date: 18 Mar 2000 20:54:39 -0500 > 4. Needles are stupid. Don't -EVER- put a drug directly into your > bloodstream! First, good post Brendan, very informative and wise and all that. I'm going to extend your tip however, and say that all drugs are stupid. I don't really have a deal with what they do to your body, as long as they're taken in moderation. They're as much of a tool as drinking is socially, plus they have the added benefit of hallucinations or whatever (depending on the drug). Personally, I don't need drugs to achieve any of that, but my big problem is with the amount of trouble you can get in by dealing with them, and, more than that, the small amount people know about what they put into their system. Of course there's always a risk to illegal substances, I drink a bit and I'm underage. But if you don't know exactly what a pill is going to do to you, and how safe it is, you're just stupid. I think drug-education services should be much more prominent, and that people should pay more attention to them. In high school, we had previous drug-addicts talk to us, and they gave us the straight dope (pardon the pun). I got a lot out of that, and I still don't have any desire to experiment in drugs. If you do, fine, just have a very good idea about what you're doing, and try to avoid sticky situations. -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Drug Use Date: 19 Mar 2000 04:55:54 +0000 Marc Sawaya wrote: > > First, good post Brendan, very informative and wise and all that. I'm going > to extend your tip however, and say that all drugs are stupid. I don't > really have a deal with what they do to your body, as long as they're taken > in moderation. Drugs shouldn't be the only thing take in moderation. EVERYTHING should be moderation! Food, sex, money, life; not just drugs. Just because they require moderation and a little bit of common sense doesn't mean they are "stupid". > They're as much of a tool as drinking is socially, plus they have > the added benefit of hallucinations or whatever (depending on the drug). > Personally, I don't need drugs to achieve any of that, ... One, just because you're straightedged doesn't mean you should try to convert us to your side. I think it's stupid to smoke cigerettes because it hurts your body and doesn't get you high at all. -BUT- I'm not going to preach that shit to my smoking friends because they've heard it five billion times already. Two, I'm really sick of the "I don't need drugs to do this" argument over and over again. -I've- heard it five billion times! I don't need drugs to get rid of a headache, but ibuprofen sure does help. My first E experience opened me up and got me talking to people. After I got sober, I tried to duplicate my experience to get rid of my shyness and it worked. I didn't need drugs to do that, but it sure helped. I'm not saying that you NEED drugs, but the "drugs are all bad" argument is weak and hypocritical. > ... but my big problem is with the amount of trouble you can get in by > dealing with them, and, more than that, the small amount people know about > what they put into their system. Of course there's always a risk to illegal > substances, I drink a bit and I'm underage. But if you don't know exactly > what a pill is going to do to you, and how safe it is, you're just stupid. Underaged drinking can get you into a shitload of trouble, too. The police can arrest you for that. And alcohol is just as dangerous as cocaine or LSD. Some of the legal and quality dangerous may not be there (because it's legal and made by companies), but you can still drive drunk, get into a fight, fuck a chick without a condom, etc. That's real high-quality trouble right there, and you don't need any of those "other drugs" to do that. Drink responsibly and take drugs responsibly. You remember what your mother told you when you were young? "One pill will cure your headache, but a bunch of pills will make you very sick." > I think drug-education services should be much more prominent, and that > people should pay more attention to them. In high school, we had previous > drug-addicts talk to us, and they gave us the straight dope (pardon the > pun). I got a lot out of that, and I still don't have any desire to > experiment in drugs. If anything, we have WAAAAAAAAY TOO MUCH in drug education services! It's drilled into your brain that "Drugs are bad; drugs will kill you; drugs will ruin your life". Yet, when they compare alcohol (a dangerous legal drug) with hemp (a tame illegal drug), the kids dismiss EVERYTHING they taught them, including the little bit of good information that was buried in a ton of hypocritical propaganda. As such, the education teaches exactly nothing and make our children doubt what teachers say from then on. Telling ANYTHING from a negative, negative, negative standpoint is wrong, wrong, wrong. Almost everything has a positive and a negative. Teach both. Also, most addicts are born that way. It's in their genes and brain chemistry to be more apt to get addicted. Alcoholism is like that. (While I hate it when doctors call it a "disease" because there's no pathogen involved, I argee it's definately a thing that's a part of you.) Just because they were unlucky enough to get addicted doesn't mean everybody is going to react the same way. Yes, physical addiction qualities in a drug plays a part, but only a part. I can drink alcohol just fine because I'm not an alcoholic. Even people who drink regularly aren't necessarily alcoholics because they don't need to be drunk all the time. > If you do, fine, just have a very good idea about what you're doing, and try > to avoid sticky situations. Really, I have no qualms with people who don't like taking drugs. If I offered a guy some drugs and he said no, I'd wouldn't try to convince him otherwise. As such, you shouldn't try to convince people that they shouldn't take drugs (unless it's a bad addiction or life-threating). It's like a Christian trying to convert a Jew. It's offensive. I tolerate your religion, so tolerate mine. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: Re: (orbital) Drug Use Date: 19 Mar 2000 02:50:37 -0500 > > If you do, fine, just have a very good idea about what you're doing, and try > > to avoid sticky situations. > > Really, I have no qualms with people who don't like taking drugs. If I > offered a guy some drugs and he said no, I'd wouldn't try to convince > him otherwise. As such, you shouldn't try to convince people that they > shouldn't take drugs (unless it's a bad addiction or life-threating). Who are you arguing against? I didn't try to get people to stop taking drugs, I just say it's important to know what you're doing! Stop looking for an argument when it's not there. -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aimee couture Subject: (orbital) Hullabaloo! presents: Through the Looking Glass Date: 19 Mar 2000 14:35:57 -0500 I hate to promote on the list.. but this *will* be an amazing party. I've been going to hulla parties for a couple years now, and they're always tons of fun. I was fortunate enough to attend the last hulla party as photocrew, so I'll let our pictures speak for themselves to say how much fun it was. http://members.xoom.com/photocrew [and for the record, i show up a lot in the pics.. silver pants, blue photocrew shirt.. and i look horrible in most of them] Aimee On Saturday April 15, HULLABALOO! brings you Through the Looking Glass Saturday April 15, 2000 9pm - 8am Toronto, Canada "But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." ARENA 1 - Wonderland Happy Hardcore, Jungle, Oldskool VIBES (UK) VINYLTRIXTA (UK) ANABOLIC FROLIC CAPITAL J FRISKY GRIMACE D-MINUS RUFFNECK EUPHONIC DVD SMITHY vs DJ X MC LIVELEE (UK) MC E-BY-GUM MC TRIGGER MC JD ARENA 2 A Mad Tea Party - Hard House, Hard Trance, Nu-Nrg, Breaks ORANGE PEEL (UK) FLEX (USA) OS/2 ELIXIR BRANO MARTY MCFLY SPICE DR TRANCE THE THERAPIST ARENA 3 - Garden of Live Flowers - Up and Comers arena For the first time we're offering a 3rd 'bonus' arena featuring the sounds of several DJ's we feel are going to be the names of tomorrow. A mix of all styles will be featured and the final selection will be posted on our website. ARENA 4 - The Looking Glass House Outdoor Chillout Tent - ambient/downtempo featuring the sounds of MENTAL FLOSS, NIGIL CAENAAN and DJ SYNAPSE A year ago we transported you into another dimension with Foreverland, join us this time as we go on another journey, this time Through The Looking Glass and into a raver Wonderland! We'll be spending a big budget on decorations and our team will transform our venue for this unique production. Another magical evening, that's for certain! With a top lineup, crazy visuals, intense lights and sound, free giveaways, hot food available all night, and everything else we can think of to make this another great party. So dress up and join us with this special and unique event only Hullabaloo can provide! Meeting Point & Shuttle Buses @ Nathan Phillips Square (Queen & Bay). Location announced the day of on our infoline. INFOLINE : 416-410-3813 http://www.hullabaloo-raves.com Tickets: $25 (canadian) - Once again no tickets will be held for the door so please get your tickets early to guarantee entry. We have to turn away hundreds of people every time - don't be one of them! Tickets go on sale March 25th! Tickets available at: -Toronto- Speed 425 Queen St W 416-596-7609 Numb 250 Queen St W 416-599-5424 Eastern Bloc 224 Adelaide St. W 416-593-4355 Play De Record 357a Yonge St 416-586-0380 Traxx 427 Yonge St 416-977-TRAX Metropolis 162 Spadina ave. 416-364-0230 Gypsy Co-Op Yorkdale Mall 416-789-1450 Gypsy Co-Op Sherway Gardens 416-695-2316 Hidden Jungle 3327 Lakeshore Rd W. 416-259-3429 Zoam Fairview Mall 416-494-8121 Funky Boodah Markham 905-305-7378 -Mississauga- Ola Square one 905-279-3291 Ola Erin Mills Town Centre 905-608-2917 -Kitchener- Speed 26 King East 519-576-4041 -Guelph- Mudshark 37 MacDonell St 519-836-9426 -Burlington- Ola Mapleview Centre 905-632-2684 -Newmarket- Ola Upper Canada Mall 905-830-0888 -London- From Mars 344 Richmond St 519-438-6277 -Ticketmaster- All Ticketmaster locations across Canada and Northern USA. Can also order online or by phone at www.ticketmaster.ca 416-870-8000 Beware of Forgeries! Buy your tickets only from authorized outlets! All tickets are checked for authenticity and fakes will not be honoured. Due to scalping problems in the past, all ticket outlets have been instructed to sell no more than 4 tickets to any one customer. American residents : remember! Due to the exchange rates, you get your tickets CHEAP (even with service charges!!) Right of Admission Refusal (ROAR) in full effect. No drugs, thugs, markers, attitude or frowns. If you feel you can't contribute to the crazy Hullabaloo spirit, then stay away!! Happy ravers only!! Future Hullabaloo Dates: June 17, 2000 (3 year anniversary) July 15,16,17 (Wemf????) October 7, 2000 Dec 8, 2000 DON'T JUST HEAR ABOUT HOW GOOD IT WAS - EXPERIENCE IT FOR YOURSELF! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Hullabaloo! presents: Through the Looking Glass Date: 19 Mar 2000 20:08:38 +0000 aimee couture wrote: > > ARENA 4 - > The Looking Glass House > Outdoor Chillout Tent - ambient/downtempo > featuring the sounds of MENTAL FLOSS, NIGIL CAENAAN and DJ SYNAPSE Mental Floss?! Wasn't he a popular guy among the computer music scene? I think he was a part of Five Musicians, or maybe it was Future Crew. I don't remember. I just know that his music was good. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Hullabaloo! presents: Through the Looking Glass Date: 19 Mar 2000 21:45:55 +0000 > > ARENA 4 - > > The Looking Glass House > > Outdoor Chillout Tent - ambient/downtempo > > featuring the sounds of MENTAL FLOSS, NIGIL CAENAAN and DJ SYNAPSE > > Mental Floss?! Wasn't he a popular guy among the computer music scene? > I think he was a part of Five Musicians, or maybe it was Future Crew. I > don't remember. I just know that his music was good. Couldn't have been Future Crew, their musicians were Purple Motion and Skaven!.. Nice to see an American who knows about the Demoscene! 8) DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aimee couture Subject: Re: (orbital) Hullabaloo! presents: Through the Looking Glass Date: 19 Mar 2000 16:07:56 -0500 At 08:08 PM 3/19/00 +0000, you wrote: >Mental Floss?! Wasn't he a popular guy among the computer music scene? >I think he was a part of Five Musicians, or maybe it was Future Crew. I >don't remember. I just know that his music was good. yeah you're thinking of the right guy. http://mentalfloss.kosmic.org/ http://mp3.loudfactory.com/artists/mfloss.htm so, you gonna come up to see him? ;] aimee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Who are Phil and Paul? Date: 19 Mar 2000 16:51:45 -0500 I'm kinda curious. My favourite interview with them was the guy who sat in on them in the studio and followed them around for the day, chatting about random stuff. It gave an insight on how our favourite group makes music, plus a little bit about what their personal lives are like. I'm certainly not one to condone the sort of paparazzi-esque journalism that's so popular here in the states, but I just wonder if Orbital spends every day messing around, sitting in pubs/cafes and then twiddling knobs in the studio for a couple of hours, having a blast. I mean, do they have jobs outside of music-making? I know at least one of them is married with children, I forget about the other. I got the impression that they're pretty well of from 5 lps, which I'm sure they're both delighted and surprised by. They seem to rather enjoy the quiet, obscure life, though, and I think that's tremendously respectable- especially in their profession. I think this is one benefit of techno- most of the artists are awarded for talent, not image, so they can be themselves and get paid for having fun! Makes me smile = ) -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Belbin Subject: (orbital) John Craven's Newsround/drugs Date: 19 Mar 2000 21:55:01 +0000 Aah, yes, Spare parts Express- a f'in fine tune. The bit that always gets me (or does since I noticed it only a few weeks back) is the theme that first kicks in at 5.06. and is then repeated, and fiddled with (you can tell I aint a trained musician can't you) for the next minute or so. It sounds exactly like the ending of the theme music to John Craven's Newsround. Anyone else notice it? Or is it just me? It's actually kind of annoying, cos whenever I hear it nowI can't help but think of poor little lost dogs, and children 's telly - which rather ruins the beauty of the piece. meanwhile: Robert Schultz wrote: > >Around Boston, there's this new E floating around that supposedly comes from >the UK. My British friends told me that they've heard of it, and that it's >actually from Holland. They said it has 5 mg of arsenic in it! (rat poison!) > >Anyone know anything about this? almost definitely complete bull. What would the point be? killing your custoimers makes no sense. Every single one of these stories I've ever come across (I used to work for a drugs advice agency), like heroin/crushed glass in pills, has been shown to be bull, I would strongly imagine this one is too. That said, there are a bunch going round (Ace of Spades') that contain so much strychnine, that while you'll probably still have a fine time in the night, the next morning you are sicker than seventeen pigs, well worth avoiding. Oh, Brendan, we do need more drug education, but it should be EDUCATION not the sanctimonious bull that you rightly condemn. rich Rich THIS WEEKS STAR TURNS Primal Scream Kill All Hippies Asian Dub Foundation Real Great Britain Bonnie 'Prince' Billy Death to Everyone # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Hullabaloo! presents: Through the Looking Glass Date: 19 Mar 2000 22:16:21 +0000 aimee couture wrote: > > yeah you're thinking of the right guy. > http://mentalfloss.kosmic.org/ > http://mp3.loudfactory.com/artists/mfloss.htm Oh yeah...KFMF. > so, you gonna come up to see him? ;] All the way up to Canada? Hell no! I live in KY. Hope you have a good show, though. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aimee couture Subject: Re: (orbital) Hullabaloo! presents: Through the Looking Glass Date: 19 Mar 2000 19:41:47 -0500 At 10:16 PM 3/19/00 +0000, Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: >All the way up to Canada? Hell no! I live in KY. Hope you have a good >show, though. oh come on =] the tickets are only like $17US.. and the drive isn't *that* far. i've met people from as far as dc, chicago, detroit, nyc and even as far as winnipeg at hulla parties before =] it would be fun. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Belbin Subject: Re: (orbital) Hullabaloo! presents: Through the Looking Glass Date: 20 Mar 2000 01:06:21 +0000 Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) wrote: > Hell no! I live in KY. > what, the jelly? much is explained # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) Hullabaloo! presents: Through the Looking Glass Date: 19 Mar 2000 20:28:06 EST OH MY GOD!!! (FUNNY AS HELL BRO!) Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) wrote: > Hell no! I live in KY. > what, the jelly? much is explained ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Hullabaloo! presents: Through the Looking Glass Date: 20 Mar 2000 01:31:07 +0000 Richard Belbin wrote: > > what, the jelly? much is explained Please! Gimme a damn break. Where do -YOU- live? -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) John Craven's Newsround/BING! Date: 20 Mar 2000 05:01:08 +0000 Rich wrote: > > Aah, yes, Spare parts Express- a f'in fine tune. The bit that always gets > me (or does since I noticed it only a few weeks back) is the theme that > first kicks in at 5.06. and is then repeated, and fiddled with (you can > tell I aint a trained musician can't you) for the next minute or so. It > sounds exactly like the ending of the theme music to John Craven's > Newsround. Anyone else notice it? Or is it just me? It's actually kind > of annoying, cos whenever I hear it nowI can't help but think of poor > little lost dogs, and children 's telly - which rather ruins the beauty of > the piece. LOL! 8) I couldn't help but thinking of some other song now that ALWAYS gets me when i hear it! 8) "Who are they" from the Are we here EP, cause it's got that 'Bing' that sounds EXACTLY like the standard windows-Bing! Another reason to use my Mac instead cause i don't assume Orbital will ever include the Mac-'quack' in their songs! ;-D DeeKay, hopefully getting himself a speedy goodlookin G4 soon! 8) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Hullabaloo! presents: Through the Looking Glass Date: 20 Mar 2000 05:11:52 +0000 > Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) wrote: > > > Hell no! I live in KY. > > > > > what, the jelly? much is explained > LOL! 8)) THAT was a witty joke! ;-D Gotta love short straight-hitting oneliners like that! 8)) DeeKay, always game for good sarcasm! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) John Craven's Newsround/BING! Date: 20 Mar 2000 04:21:08 +0000 deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: > > LOL! 8) I couldn't help but thinking of some other song now that > ALWAYS gets me when i hear it! 8) > "Who are they" from the Are we here EP, cause it's got that 'Bing' > that sounds EXACTLY like the standard windows-Bing! Another reason to > use my Mac instead cause i don't assume Orbital will ever include > the Mac-'quack' in their songs! ;-D Yeah, like Coldcut's Cloned Again? -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "morpheus" Subject: (orbital) Fila Brazillia Date: 20 Mar 2000 00:04:23 -0800 Hey, Just in case anyone hasn't heard of these guys, Fila Brazillia are absolutely amazing. I just got there "Maim That Tune" Album, and it is unreal. Also, their "Luck Be A Weirdo Tonight" album is also absolutely amazing. Everyone should own both of these albums. If you like orbital, you will for surely like Fila. They are very laidback and funky. They aren't noisey at all. Most of their instruments, especially their drums all sound like live instruments. It's Perfect Chill Out music. If you like ninja tune stuff, you will absolutely adore thiem. Right now, they are one of my favourite groups, and possibly even my favourite. They are absolutely amazing! Go by there albums! peace morpheus -the world can be a simple place if you want it to be- http://morpheus1.tripod.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gargin, Philip (Frankfurt)" Subject: RE: (orbital) John Craven's Newsround/drugs Date: 20 Mar 2000 09:54:39 +0100 Richard Belbin said:- > It sounds exactly like the ending of the theme music to John Craven's > Newsround. Anyone else notice it? Or is it just me? It's actually kind > of annoying, cos whenever I hear it nowI can't help but think of poor > little lost dogs, and children 's telly - which rather ruins the beauty of > the piece. > It is a sample from John Cravens Newsround. You're not going mad, the Hartnolls are. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Belbin Subject: RE: (orbital) John Craven's Newsround/drugs Date: 20 Mar 2000 12:41:37 +0000 > It is a sample from John Cravens Newsround. > You're not going mad, the Hartnolls are. REALLY!!! Fuck, you're kidding. Scary man. If they carry on like this, I think someboy may have to kill them. rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Belbin Subject: Re: (orbital) Hullabaloo! presents: Through the Looking Glass Date: 20 Mar 2000 12:36:55 +0000 >Richard Belbin wrote: >> >> what, the jelly? much is explained > >Please! Gimme a damn break. Where do -YOU- live? > >-- >Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) aah maan, I'msorry but if you leaver such an open goal as that, then, hey, it's just gotta be taken up. Rich Sunny Sheffield where we live FOR ky # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (orbital) Orbital vs. The Herb Date: 20 Mar 2000 16:49:26 +0100 > > - KEL: repeating to himself in broken Spanish, !no me gustan los martes > > tampoco! cansadissimo... > > > Steve duerme y huego con su viril! >8) Huh? Don't think this is the actual sentence, btw are you talking about a Jorge Luis Borges novel? "huego con su viril" don't have sense in Spanish. The word "huego" doesn't exist, I think it's "luego" (then). > Spare Parts Express is a pretty cool song, except for that damn riff > with the disonance. Disonance never works, and I wish ppl would quit > experimenting with it. "Spare Parts Express" is a tribute to Trans Europe Express by Kraftwerk, particularly in the 4:50 area. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Trance Comp. Trades Date: 20 Mar 2000 16:17:50 EST Ok I: Have T3 connection, various trance compilations, ability to get more trance compilations. You: Have at least a cable modem, Paul van Dyk/Paul Oakenfold/Global Underground DJs/Trance mp3s. Together: We make a deal. Respond privately please. Rob P.S. I only trade like this when it comes to trance. Since DJs make loads of money for playing other people's music, I have no problem trading that same music around. I would never trade such artists as Orbital, FSOL, Boards of Canada, etc UNLESS they are out of print and/or very difficult to obtain. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "e. lanum" Subject: (orbital) re orbital vs. the herb Date: 21 Mar 2000 00:37:09 GMT KEL: repeating to himself in broken Spanish, !no me gustan los martes >tampoco! cansadissimo... TOCA ME! Steve duerme y huego con su viril! >8) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gargin, Philip (Frankfurt)" Subject: (orbital) Screw you guys, I'm seeing the Art of Noise tomorrow! Date: 21 Mar 2000 09:55:50 +0100 Ha ha!!! Maybe the Hartnolls will be there? They were rumoured to have snuck into the Kraftwerk tent at Tribal Gathering 97 to pay their respects to the forefathers of techno. Any listees going to be there (Shepherds Bush, London)? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gargin, Philip (Frankfurt)" Subject: (orbital) Screw you guys, I'm seeing the Art of Noise tomorrow! Date: 21 Mar 2000 09:55:50 +0100 Ha ha!!! Maybe the Hartnolls will be there? They were rumoured to have snuck into the Kraftwerk tent at Tribal Gathering 97 to pay their respects to the forefathers of techno. Any listees going to be there (Shepherds Bush, London)? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) What's a maxi cd? Date: 21 Mar 2000 08:51:15 -0500 Well, what is it? I see it all over music sites, and they're usually cheaper than normal singles of the same song. -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Henderson" Subject: (orbital) Trades... Date: 21 Mar 2000 08:07:06 -0700 Howdy... I'm terribly interested in getting the Roskilde live show that's floating around (everywhere but near me...). I've got a smattering of live Orbital, Underworld and Kraftwerk shows (and some other artists as well) for trade. Please contact me. Or kill me. Whichever is easier. Thanks, Mike (myq@xmission.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: Re: (orbital) Trades... not exactly trading, no money in this. Date: 21 Mar 2000 17:48:46 GMT I think I've uploaded Orbital - Dr Who (Live in Roskilde '99) now. Should be in the Upload directory. The fact that it's horrendously slow makes me eager to find a different solution. I might put them onto a CD-R and send it of to one of you who have better connection. Trym Mike wrote: >Howdy... I'm terribly interested in getting the Roskilde live show that's >floating around (everywhere but near me...). I've got a smattering of live >Orbital, Underworld and Kraftwerk shows (and some other artists as well) >for >trade. Please contact me. Or kill me. Whichever is easier. > >Thanks, >Mike (myq@xmission.com) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson" Subject: Re: (orbital) What's a maxi cd? Date: 21 Mar 2000 17:53:10 +0000 At 08:51 21.3.2000 -0500, Marc Sawaya wrote: >Well, what is it? I see it all over music sites, and they're usually >cheaper than normal singles of the same song. they are EPs too... maybe just from another country, with more mixes on, or all the mixes of a released single on 1 EP. *shrug* Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://nemesis1.cjb.net w00p! :P # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: Re: (orbital) What's a maxi cd? Date: 21 Mar 2000 18:04:54 GMT >>Well, what is it? I see it all over music sites, and they're usually >>cheaper than normal singles of the same song. >they are EPs too... maybe just from another country, with more mixes on, or >all the mixes of a released single on 1 EP. > >*shrug* i think it has to do with the recording being too long to be a single, but too short to be an album so it's a something-in-between, a maxi-single, or an EP. then again, *shrug* for me too. Trym Trym Asserson - 'Apollo' - apollo_project@hotmail.com Biosphere Zine : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceetba/apollo/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bacchi" Subject: (orbital) your well being Date: 21 Mar 2000 20:34:20 -0000 4th february 2000 on british national radio there was this announcement: Ecstasy tablets arriving in Britain recently have been found to contain Striknien - rat poison at very dangerous levels. The pills are yellowish, with brown flecks and have no logo. that's all i know glauco > > Hey people. > > Around Boston, there's this new E floating around that supposedly comes from > the UK. My British friends told me that they've heard of it, and that it's > actually from Holland. They said it has 5 mg of arsenic in it! (rat poison!) > > Anyone know anything about this? > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike George" Subject: Re: (orbital) your well being Date: 21 Mar 2000 15:39:20 -0500 > > 4th february 2000 on british national radio there was this announcement: > > Ecstasy tablets arriving in Britain recently have been found to > contain Striknien > - rat poison at very dangerous levels. The pills are yellowish, with brown > flecks and have no logo. > > that's all i know > > glauco I'll have a dozen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) your well being Date: 21 Mar 2000 16:02:36 -0500 Mike George wrote: > > > > > 4th february 2000 on british national radio there was this announcement: > > > > Ecstasy tablets arriving in Britain recently have been found to > > contain Striknien > > - rat poison at very dangerous levels. The pills are yellowish, with brown > > flecks and have no logo. > > I'll have a dozen Do a few chemical tests on one of them. There's also a E site that you can send them to, and they'll do the tests for you. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "e. lanum" Subject: (orbital) wallpaper Date: 22 Mar 2000 00:23:47 GMT so i finally got my own computer..does anyone know where i can images of the orbital album covers in jpeg or similar format to use as my wallpaper? »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»» » Ed Lanum »» » slvg_bvg@hotmail.com »» ************************************** »NOW PLAYING IN A CD/PC NEAR YOU ** ************************************** » LFO -Love is the message »» » Ae - Tri Repeatae »» » Orbital - Beached »» » Sven Vath - Accident in Paradise »» » FSOL - Cascade »» »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»» ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nub Subject: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #310 Date: 21 Mar 2000 10:01:55 -0700 (MST) > Oh, Brendan, we do need more drug education, but it should be EDUCATION not > the sanctimonious bull that you rightly condemn. okay, no. just no. marc's email was very polite, and he very plainly stated that drugs were not his thing, end of argument. brenden on the other hand floated a log of self-righteous bullshit our way that i would have a very hard time calling "education" despite the fact that many of his points were valid. sometimes it's not the "what" but the "how". brenden, where do you get off being such an asshole, and why does nobody call you on it? if somebody tells you "good post" you don't respond with an attack, you just don't. and if you do i will write something akin to what you're reading here. so just chill and maybe contemplate the fact that you really don't know everything. no really, you don't. and yes i do drugs, so that's not the issue. sometimes i even *drink* while doing some kinds of drugs, (gasp). but does anyone here NOT know that you shouldn't drink on E or K? of course you shouldn't! fucking DUH! -flame off- fyi, my fave resource on drug-related info can be found at: http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/psychoactives.shtml also reachable from hyperreal.org -> chemistry. i mean they've got the full text of "pihkal" on there, how could you not love it? :) > > It is a sample from John Cravens Newsround. > > You're not going mad, the Hartnolls are. okay, can somebody explain to this daft american (that's me) what the john cravens newsround is? i haven't heard this one before. > "Spare Parts Express" is a tribute to Trans Europe Express by Kraftwerk, > particularly in the 4:50 area. whoa dude, how did i not think of that? i'll have to get out the headphones and take a careful listen. plur? please? nub # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) (flame) Re: orbital-digest V2 #310 Date: 21 Mar 2000 22:51:38 -0500 Nub wrote: > > okay, no. just no. marc's email was very polite, and he very plainly > stated that drugs were not his thing, end of argument. The first few lines of Marc's posts was: "First, good post Brendan, very informative and wise and all that. I'm going to extend your tip however, and say that all drugs are stupid." Now, if he "very plainly stated that drugs were not his thing", he would have not made such a broad and inflammatory attack on drugs. Part of being straightedge is respecting the drug users. It's funny that I have to explain that drugs are fucking dangerous and, four hours later, explain that drugs aren't all bad. > brenden on the other hand floated a log of self-righteous bullshit our way > that i would have a very hard time calling "education" despite the fact that > many of his points were valid. sometimes it's not the "what" but the "how". Me? I was just trying to offset the balance of the straightedge self-righteous bullshit. Besides, the dicussion wasn't on fire. I didn't call anybody names or say being straightedged was stupid. I just expected a little bit more respect on the subject. > brenden, where do you get off being such an asshole, and why does nobody > call you on it? if somebody tells you "good post" you don't respond with > an attack, you just don't. and if you do i will write something akin to > what you're reading here. Good post! (Now you can't attack me.) > so just chill and maybe contemplate the fact that you really don't know > everything. no really, you don't. Why does everybody accuse me of knowing everything? I don't know everything. I'm terrible at sports. I don't like them too much so I don't know them. Drugs I know from experience, Internet sites, books, and stories from ex-hippies and ravers. But, sports? Nah. My Internet sources? http://www.jackherer.com/ http://www.hyperreal.org/ http://www.ecstasy.org/ http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/aint/ > and yes i do drugs, so that's not the issue. sometimes i even *drink* > while doing some kinds of drugs, (gasp). but does anyone here NOT know > that you shouldn't drink on E or K? of course you shouldn't! fucking DUH! Yeah, and that's why Mehul asked the question: "can you drink while on these?" Fucking DUH! I was just answering his question. Maybe you should fucking read the messages, instead of acting like a goddamn prick! -intelligent flame off- > plur? please? Respect? Please? (Ya know...the R in PLUR.) -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) (flame) Re: orbital-digest V2 #310 Date: 21 Mar 2000 22:51:38 -0500 Nub wrote: > > okay, no. just no. marc's email was very polite, and he very plainly > stated that drugs were not his thing, end of argument. The first few lines of Marc's posts was: "First, good post Brendan, very informative and wise and all that. I'm going to extend your tip however, and say that all drugs are stupid." Now, if he "very plainly stated that drugs were not his thing", he would have not made such a broad and inflammatory attack on drugs. Part of being straightedge is respecting the drug users. It's funny that I have to explain that drugs are fucking dangerous and, four hours later, explain that drugs aren't all bad. > brenden on the other hand floated a log of self-righteous bullshit our way > that i would have a very hard time calling "education" despite the fact that > many of his points were valid. sometimes it's not the "what" but the "how". Me? I was just trying to offset the balance of the straightedge self-righteous bullshit. Besides, the dicussion wasn't on fire. I didn't call anybody names or say being straightedged was stupid. I just expected a little bit more respect on the subject. > brenden, where do you get off being such an asshole, and why does nobody > call you on it? if somebody tells you "good post" you don't respond with > an attack, you just don't. and if you do i will write something akin to > what you're reading here. Good post! (Now you can't attack me.) > so just chill and maybe contemplate the fact that you really don't know > everything. no really, you don't. Why does everybody accuse me of knowing everything? I don't know everything. I'm terrible at sports. I don't like them too much so I don't know them. Drugs I know from experience, Internet sites, books, and stories from ex-hippies and ravers. But, sports? Nah. My Internet sources? http://www.jackherer.com/ http://www.hyperreal.org/ http://www.ecstasy.org/ http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/aint/ > and yes i do drugs, so that's not the issue. sometimes i even *drink* > while doing some kinds of drugs, (gasp). but does anyone here NOT know > that you shouldn't drink on E or K? of course you shouldn't! fucking DUH! Yeah, and that's why Mehul asked the question: "can you drink while on these?" Fucking DUH! I was just answering his question. Maybe you should fucking read the messages, instead of acting like a goddamn prick! -intelligent flame off- > plur? please? Respect? Please? (Ya know...the R in PLUR.) -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: (orbital) (non-orbital) OT: need help with Awe64 + MIDI controller setup Date: 22 Mar 2000 10:13:21 GMT Hey, off topic this one. I've got a Soundblaster Awe64 Value in my PC and recently bought an Evolution MK-149 MIDI controller. I used to have an on-board sound card made by Crystal Semiconductor Corp. something CS4232, but I've got reason to believe I've successfully disabled this one. The problem I've got is recognising the MIDI controller, at the moment I can play the keys and hear nothing and not even see the keys registering on my PC's virtual keyboards (tried through both Cakewalk 8.0 and Evolution's own Sound Studio). However, enabling the CS4232 I managed to set everything up but it's a crap soundcard and I'd like to get this setup work using only the Awe64 so I can disable it again. Does anyone have this soundcard, Awe64, and have you successfully set it up for a MIDI controller before? And could you take some time explaining all these WaveSynth/GM MIDI, Creative Synth, Soundfont MIDI Router, and those alternatives to me? Help will be very much appreciated! Trym Trym Asserson - 'Apollo' - apollo_project@hotmail.com Biosphere Zine : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceetba/apollo/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (orbital) Future Music on Orbital Date: 22 Mar 2000 15:37:28 +0100 Number 37 of the Spanish edition of the music-tech magazine Future Music contains an interview with Orbital (page 22). DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Sniv Coverart. Date: 22 Mar 2000 10:58:04 -0500 I'm surprised this hasn't been brought up the entire time I've been on the list, but does anyone else think the cover art on Snivilisation is weird? Cool, but not at all what you'd expect? Actually, I definitely take that back, I never come to expect a certain thing of Orbital, just that it's good. The flap says the drawings are by John Greenwood, has anyone ever heard of him? My favourite drawing would be the one with the egg reclining in the chair, guarded by breasted-penis Zulu warriors. And the same image is on the tv, out the window, and on the wall (and the coffee mug and newspaper). By the way, anyone notice that the egg and warriors have duck feet = ). And what the heck is the thing on the front? Everyone just needs to pull out sniv and look at it for a good while. -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: Re: (orbital) Sniv Coverart. Date: 22 Mar 2000 11:20:18 -0500 Marc Sawaya wrote: > Everyone just needs to pull out sniv and look at it for a > good while. > > -Marc Sawaya Don't do it for TOO long! It's like staring at the sun... You'll GO BLIND MAN! PUT IT DOWN! PUT IT DOWN NOW!!! :))) Shan-man np> Moby "Run On" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (orbital) Orbital vs. The Herb Date: 22 Mar 2000 15:36:02 +0100 > > > > - KEL: repeating to himself in broken Spanish, !no me gustan los martes > > > > tampoco! cansadissimo... > > > > > > > Steve duerme y huego con su viril! >8) > > > > Huh? > > Don't think this is the actual sentence, btw are you talking about a Jorge > > Luis Borges novel? > > "huego con su viril" don't have sense in Spanish. The word "huego" doesn't > > exist, I think it's "luego" (then). >TOCA ME! >Steve duerme y huego con su viril! >8) > Nopes... Like said my ex-GF taught me that, she said it means "... > sleeps and plays with his member!" 8) might not be right, well... Well then it would be "Steve duerme y juega con su miembro viril". :-o DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) Re: Drug flamewar... Date: 22 Mar 2000 19:18:54 +0000 Yiiie-Haaaa! 8) Right on, it's a flamewar! ;-D And guess who's (again) involved? Brendan! <:-) Now, don't get me wrong, Brendan, I'm not condemning you for what happened before, but i just can't help but notice a *slight* similarity in all the flamewars on the list: you! <:-) The point is that since you raised the bloodpressure of some people in the past you need to be a bit more careful in HOW you say things!.. I found your post interesting to read and all that, and like Nub said before, there's quite some truth in it, but the way you put it was too much fact-like and not enough "IMHO"!.. And with a topic like drugs IMHO is absolutely necessary cause the topic is WAY too complex to evoke the impression that one knew it all! I think Brendan is a bit of a "Schlaubi Schlumpf" (The smurf that knows it all, dunno what the english name is! 8) He informs himself about a subject and then thinks he knows it all and can pass judgement, be it Rap music, Moby or Drugs!.. But all of these topics are too complex to really pass judgement from knowledge one gathered from the net or in say a year or two!.. One would only be allowed to pass judgement if one would be PERSONALLY INVOLVED in the subject for a time long enough, let's say 6 years minimum! That's the reason why the government sends ex-druggies to schools to tell the kids! Anyone else wouldn't seem credible enough! Now, i haven't seen neither of you (brendan & Marc) mention the sideeffects of E for example, WHAT it does to your brain and the long-term effects!.. Saying "inform yourself about what you're taking' is not enough if you're advocating drug-use! ANY good article i ever read about drugs (e.g. in Techno-Magazines!) had that in it! Saying something as blatant as "drugs are stupid" without giving reasons is pretty offensive and intolerant, i agree with Brendan there, but saying "Drugs are okay" without giving the facts just doesn't seem correct either! Just my 2 Euro-Cents... DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Sniv Coverart. Date: 22 Mar 2000 19:18:54 +0000 > I'm surprised this hasn't been brought up the entire time I've been on > the list, but does anyone else think the cover art on Snivilisation is > weird? Cool, but not at all what you'd expect? Actually, I definitely > take that back, I never come to expect a certain thing of Orbital, just > that it's good. The flap says the drawings are by John Greenwood, has > anyone ever heard of him? My favourite drawing would be the one with > the egg reclining in the chair, guarded by breasted-penis Zulu > warriors. And the same image is on the tv, out the window, and on the > wall (and the coffee mug and newspaper). By the way, anyone notice tha= t > the egg and warriors have duck feet =3D ). And what the heck is the th= ing > on the front? Everyone just needs to pull out sniv and look at it for = a > good while. >=20 > -Marc Sawaya Wow! 8) Now that you say it it strikes me that i never even REALIZED=20 there was an inside painting! <:-) And i agree it IS strange!..=20 Okay, here's my analysis: The inside painting of God (Assumably the one called =CFn his=20 own image"!) wearing a virtuality helmet (also on the Are we here EP=20 cover!) is pretty obvious: The contradiction of God, who CREATED=20 reality actually preferring VIRTUALITY to the real one! 8) This could=20 be either a sarcastic punch towards what the world is today, kinda=20 like god said "You mutilated the world i created so much i can't look=20 at it anymore and prefer this fake one now!" or a hint that the=20 virtual world is meanwhile better than what god created, cause even=20 he prefers it (which doubt is the meaning!)... But the most likely=20 explanation for this picture is the sheer contradidtion that god, who=20 created OUR reality, now lives in the virtual Reality created by=20 man!.. The final explanation would be the sentence "God lives within=20 the virtual (=3Delectronic) reality now!" meaning that's where you find=20 god these days... hmm... also doubtable! 8) As for the cover picture itself, what do we have? a simplified human=20 listening to a Sony(tm) walkman, who has a cold and is just sneezing=20 into a kleenex.. His one finger is on the pause button, which could=20 also hint something. He's got globes for eyeballs, a barcode in his=20 face (symbol for his mouth or even a hint to a Hitler-like=20 moustache?) and some flags as hair (since there's no color it's hard=20 to say if the choice of flags has a certain meaning!).. The whole=20 picture has cars driving around the border. The Globes and the flags and the music could be a hint that music is=20 a global thing that unites people. The barcode in the place for the=20 mouth could mean that speech is industrialized (the barcode as the=20 ultimate symbol for cold, industrial Big-Brother-dom!) and=20 meaningless compared to music. The choice of exactly Sony as a walkman *could* be a hint towards the=20 industrialization of music, as Sony Music is prolly THE Major Label=20 Okay, here's my VERY daring final summary:=20 The dude symbolizes the world... the world, taken away the ability=20 to speak for themselves (barcode!) is forced to listen to the music=20 the Majors (Sony!) give them. Listening to all this=20 industrialized Shit-Popmusic made the world sick=20 (cold/sneeze/kleenex!) but now it realizes there's some music OUTSIDE=20 the Sony-Walkman world (Notes outside the head/walkmans don't play=20 that loud that you hear it outside so this is some other music!) so=20 it pauses to listen to what this beautiful OTHER music (=3DOrbital=20 etc.! 8) is!.. What i can't fit in are the cars driving around, i=20 think they're just 'props' that John put there to fill up the=20 picture! 8) I think if i said that'd be a hint towards the=20 Orbital-namegiving M25-Motorway that would be TOO far-fetched! ;-D That's just an Orbital Fan's impression! 8) It might be wishful=20 thinking but i think (hope?) i might be close somehow! ;-D Now the final picture, the Egg and the Zulu-Dicks, prolly the one=20 called "The Dream"... This is the hardest one!.. You pretty much already said what's in the picture, so i just start=20 with the interpretation! The Egg rests cause it's fed up with being bombarded with the same=20 happy-shit (image of the smiling sun and tree!) wherever it goes=20 (Criticism towards the media, America (american way of life=20 evangelism!) or even the music industry again?) Actually it's not an Egg, it's someone INSIDE an Egg-like shell=20 (holes for the hands and feet)!.. The Shell prolly symbolizes the=20 status the humans are kept in, all well protected from the truth,=20 only left a hole (in the front of the shell!) to only look at the=20 always alike fake image that's presented to them! Now the guardians... First of all, i think the synthesis of a woman=20 (breast/vagina) and a man (penis-like appearance) is really great=20 and perfectly done! 8) I've never seen anything like that before! I have hardly any clue what this could mean!.. Prolly only the=20 superhuman (BOTH male and female!) guardians of the world, that=20 manipulate and lead the general public, decide what news we can hear,=20 what our aims should be, what music we listen to and watch over=20 us that we don't start any revolutions or rebellions!.. That's a bit=20 on the paranoid side (Echelon/Government/Bildeberger/Illuminatae etc) though i like to subscribe to the sentence "it's not whether you're=20 paranoid, it's wheter you're paranoid ENOUGH" these days! <:-) But=20 that'll be in another posting! ;-D They also only have this hole in their head/helmet that only allows=20 them to see only a part of the WHOLE reality though, which is kinda=20 strange!.. Now that we "know" what the Zulu-warriors actually are, the title of=20 the song =CF wish i had duck feet" (considering they wrote the song=20 AFTER they saw this picture, which seems to not have been made=20 especially for the cover!) finally DOES have a meaning! 8) Orbital=20 wises they were one of the people that actually SEE the world=20 and lead its ways! ;-D Okay, that was my analysis, hope you liked it (decide yourself wheter=20 it was a REAL analysis or just a look inside MY head! ;-) and thanks=20 to Marc for bringing this up, i wouldn't have looked at it so=20 thouroughly ever (and missed some great art!) if you hadn't! 8))) Now, DON'T, just DON'T get started on In Sides! <:-))) DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: Re: (orbital) Sniv Coverart. Date: 22 Mar 2000 13:46:14 -0500 Wow, I must say I _really_ liked your cool analysis. I don't really want= to touch on what you said about the cover and the God pic, but I want to off= er an alternative analysis (equally as bizarre, of course). I like the idea ab= out the guy trapped in the egg shell, try to escape from the monotony of the world. I'll even postulate that the guy in the eggshell (great Ae song, = btw) is the guy on the cover, but it wouldn't suggest that artistically. He a= lso is limited by the "one-track mind" evoked by the single hole in the shell, b= ut he wants to get out (to the Middle of Nowhere =3D ). Why doesn't he go? Be= cause he is continuously surrounded by the same image, even outdoors. Plus, I thi= nk he's guarded by the warriors, who represent mainstream society. The only= thing they think about is sex and war, and the also have a one-track mind. In all reality, though, I bet P&P just thought they were cool pics. = That does not explain the duck feet though. Maybe the duck feet is a conformi= st image, and the samples in the song are about a freak show. Conformism=3D= freak. hmm? I have no idea, but it's pleasant to philosophize. And we will definitely bring up the In Sides art eventually =3D ). -Marc Sawaya deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: > Now the final picture, the Egg and the Zulu-Dicks, prolly the one > called "The Dream"... This is the hardest one!.. > You pretty much already said what's in the picture, so i just start > with the interpretation! > The Egg rests cause it's fed up with being bombarded with the same > happy-shit (image of the smiling sun and tree!) wherever it goes > (Criticism towards the media, America (american way of life > evangelism!) or even the music industry again?) > Actually it's not an Egg, it's someone INSIDE an Egg-like shell > (holes for the hands and feet)!.. The Shell prolly symbolizes the > status the humans are kept in, all well protected from the truth, > only left a hole (in the front of the shell!) to only look at the > always alike fake image that's presented to them! > Now the guardians... First of all, i think the synthesis of a woman > (breast/vagina) and a man (penis-like appearance) is really great > and perfectly done! 8) I've never seen anything like that before! > I have hardly any clue what this could mean!.. Prolly only the > superhuman (BOTH male and female!) guardians of the world, that > manipulate and lead the general public, decide what news we can hear, > what our aims should be, what music we listen to and watch over > us that we don't start any revolutions or rebellions!.. That's a bit > on the paranoid side (Echelon/Government/Bildeberger/Illuminatae etc) > though i like to subscribe to the sentence "it's not whether you're > paranoid, it's wheter you're paranoid ENOUGH" these days! <:-) But > that'll be in another posting! ;-D > They also only have this hole in their head/helmet that only allows > them to see only a part of the WHOLE reality though, which is kinda > strange!.. > Now that we "know" what the Zulu-warriors actually are, the title of > the song =CF wish i had duck feet" (considering they wrote the song > AFTER they saw this picture, which seems to not have been made > especially for the cover!) finally DOES have a meaning! 8) Orbital > wises they were one of the people that actually SEE the world > and lead its ways! ;-D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: xolotl Subject: (orbital) Re: Drug flamewar... Date: 22 Mar 2000 13:39:11 -0600 (CST) > Now, i haven't seen neither of you (brendan & Marc) mention the > sideeffects of E for example, WHAT it does to your brain and the > long-term effects!.. Saying "inform yourself about what you're > taking' is not enough if you're advocating drug-use! ANY good article > i ever read about drugs (e.g. in Techno-Magazines!) had that in it! > Saying something as blatant as "drugs are stupid" without giving > reasons is pretty offensive and intolerant, i agree with Brendan > there, but saying "Drugs are okay" without giving the facts just > doesn't seem correct either! AGREED!!!! Your opinion, is just that. If you don't like drugs, don't do it. If you do, know as much as possible before hand, from more than one source, be ready, and have fun ;) I heard mention of hyperreal.org (chemistry) which is a great site with lots of info on everything from mdma(e) to alcohol, including how different drugs interact with each other, plus some good AND bad trips that people have had and documented on various different things. http://www.dancesafe.org/slideshow/index.html There is a great slide show here that shows you what e does to your brain, and some of the dangers associated with e. The truth is there have been no long term tests done on any humans with mdma. There have been some experiments conducted with rats, and i think with monkey's but don't qutoe me on that. Personally i've had some violent mood swings, some depression, and a bit of long term memory loss up to a few days after taking the drug but it's not a regular occurance. They think it MIGHT be connected with parkisons disease but again...don't quote me on that. I'd be more than happy to share my trips/experiences with anyone else who would like to share/know more. For those who will inevitably notice all the spelling mistakes....bite me. Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) Highway To Hell in Spain!!! Date: 22 Mar 2000 15:41:36 -0500 not to interupt these fascinating theories of artistic interpretations on Sniv cover, but! ?Didja hear that Madrid named a street after AC/DC?!?!?!? I think Knoxville needs an "Orbital Way" !!!! That's it. Back to this eggshell thing.... ;) ShannON +ON +ON # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chump Subject: (orbital) Sniv Date: 23 Mar 2000 00:55:42 +0200 well i love the sniv picture. a few years ago i got someone to paint the front cover of it on my wall. 1.5 * 2.0 meters. u can check the result here : http://members.tripod.com/~In_Sides/subdirectory/sniv-3.jpg some other shit : http://members.tripod.com/~In_Sides/subdirectory/ -- bye chump chump@netvision.net.il # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) Re: Spaniards street-naming scheme... Date: 23 Mar 2000 00:03:38 +0000 Spain named a Street after AC/DC? What's it called? "Highway to hell?" ;-D Sorry, couldn't help it! <:-) DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "e. lanum" Subject: Re: (orbital) Sniv Date: 22 Mar 2000 23:53:46 GMT whoa i guess i always took the artwork from this album for granted i nevre notieced the cars driving around the edge or the flags on the guys head also his eyeballs look like globes well i love the sniv picture. a few years ago i got someone to paint the front cover of it on my wall. 1.5 * 2.0 meters. u can check the result here : http://members.tripod.com/~In_Sides/subdirectory/sniv-3.jpg some other shit : http://members.tripod.com/~In_Sides/subdirectory/ -- ye chump chump@netvision.net.il # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original ender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»» » Ed Lanum »» » slvg_bvg@hotmail.com »» ************************************** »NOW PLAYING IN A CD/PC NEAR YOU ** ************************************** » LFO -Love is the message »» » Ae - Tri Repeatae »» » Orbital - Beached »» » Sven Vath - Accident in Paradise »» » Ae - Peel Sessions »» »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»» ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ".." Subject: (orbital) Due to that fact that loopz message board, quite simply, sucks, Should i Date: 22 Mar 2000 16:40:34 -0800 If i set an UBB message board that wasn't censored with no ads would you all be interested in it? UBB is similar to what DVDtalk.com runs. Nice setup. Would be nice to have an open message board to discuss anything without censorships. Cuz i frankly dont care. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "benjib" Subject: RE: (orbital) Due to that fact that loopz message board, quite simply, sucks, Should i open an open one? Date: 23 Mar 2000 08:03:10 -0000 > mornin' > > that would be a good idea since i have been banned from the loopz board > > benjib # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Sniv Date: 23 Mar 2000 14:25:53 +0000 Wow! 8) I wish i had sth like that on the wall! <:-) But unfortunately i don't have any friends who are skilled at airbrushing!.. 8_( One Question: How can you have this picture ON THE WALL (=see it every day!) and NOT notice the cars and the Flags? <:-) DeeKay > whoa i guess i always took the artwork from this album for granted > i nevre notieced the cars driving around the edge or the flags on the guys > head > also his eyeballs look like globes > > > well i love the sniv picture. > a few years ago i got someone to paint the front cover of it on my > wall. > 1.5 * 2.0 meters. > u can check the result here : > http://members.tripod.com/~In_Sides/subdirectory/sniv-3.jpg > some other shit : > > http://members.tripod.com/~In_Sides/subdirectory/ > > -- > ye > chump chump@netvision.net.il # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Backstreet Boys Date: 23 Mar 2000 10:02:01 EST Hey, This just strikes me as funny... http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/americas/03/22/canada.backstreet.boys.reut/index.html Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) marc's server Date: 23 Mar 2000 18:06:05 +0000 > > > > Marc's ftp seems to be doing quite well at the moment. If someone has any > > good ALBUMS similiar to Orbital, go on and upload them, 'cause full albums > > are much more fun to listen to! thanks for your time > > You are going to hell! These musicians only get 5% of their profits > (while the talentless CD cutters get the other 95%), so be nice and buy > the damn albums! > > -- > Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Brendan, you don't REALLY wanna start this argument, do you? <:-) I mean - we've had it before, didn't we? Apparently only the 10%+ musicians are angry at mp3s, the normal 5% musicians see the possibilities and so should you!.. Question: If you hate the "talentless CD cutters" so much, why would you give them 95% of the price you pay for a CD voluntarily? DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J Van" Subject: Re: (orbital) marc's server Date: 23 Mar 2000 11:17:37 -0600 >Apparently only the 10%+ >musicians are angry at mp3s, the normal 5% musicians see the >possibilities and so should you!.. Thats a typical MP3 leechers' mentality... Don't mp3 albums that you can buy in stores....Support the artist and buy the album My take on MP3s in general - I for one dont welcome the vanishing physical presence of recordings... to me having the thing is something that I like... it was bad enough having to lose out on records and their presence... now CD's seem like they have a lot of personality compared to digital recordings which just float across the phone lines... jv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) marc's server Date: 23 Mar 2000 13:09:47 EST "Apparently only the 10%+ musicians are angry at mp3s, the normal 5% musicians see the possibilities and so should you!.." "Thats a typical MP3 leechers' mentality... Don't mp3 albums that you can buy in stores....Support the artist and buy the album My take on MP3s in general - I for one dont welcome the vanishing physical presence of recordings... to me having the thing is something that I like... it was bad enough having to lose out on records and their presence... now CD's seem like they have a lot of personality compared to digital recordings which just float across the phone lines..." Yeah, I agree! Now, does anyone have any albums I can leech? I'm really looking for FULL albums. I don't have anything to trade either. I don't care if they're available in stores here! I have the money to buy the albums, but hey, if I can get them for free I'll leech 'em! ;-) No, but really, I only like MP3s when they're a little on the rare side. For example, I'll only get an Orbital MP3 when (1) I intend to buy the album anyway, and I just can't wait to hear the song! (2) It's out of print, and avaible only in another country, and since I'm a fuckin American, I can't get it here. (3) I don't want to pay $40 on EBay for a three track album (4) I don't own a damn turntable. I think MP3s are good for the industry because they promote the music. Most of the time, I get MP3s so that I can see if I'll like the song for myself, rather than relying on shitty bass-akwards reviews or other people's opinions, and I won't have to buy a $35 import blindly! Protecting my investment :-) MP3s stimulate CD sales. However, it's those fucks that like to get Backstreet Boys and fuckin Korn albums on MP3 that I can't stand. I mean, go buy the fuckin CD at Tower for 10 bucks! (it's on sale this month) :-) Then, those other people have the nerve to make 10 copies of that shit and sell them for like $5?!? MP3s should ALWAYS be traded, and not just leeched. That's just my take on the matter. Rob P.S. Anyone know any good leech sites? ;-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Drug flamewar... Date: 23 Mar 2000 13:49:43 -0500 deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: > > Yiiie-Haaaa! 8) > Right on, it's a flamewar! ;-D > > And guess who's (again) involved? Brendan! <:-) > Now, don't get me wrong, Brendan, I'm not condemning you for what > happened before, but i just can't help but notice a *slight* > similarity in all the flamewars on the list: you! <:-) Well, excuuuuuuuuse me. I wasn't the one who started it. > The point is that since you raised the bloodpressure of some people > in the past you need to be a bit more careful in HOW you say > things!.. I found your post interesting to read and all that, and > like Nub said before, there's quite some truth in it, but the way you > put it was too much fact-like and not enough "IMHO"!.. And with a > topic like drugs IMHO is absolutely necessary cause the topic is WAY > too complex to evoke the impression that one knew it all! What? You don't like facts? I prefer facts over opinions anyday. > I think Brendan is a bit of a "Schlaubi Schlumpf" (The smurf that > knows it all, dunno what the english name is! 8) He informs himself > about a subject and then thinks he knows it all and can pass > judgement, be it Rap music, Moby or Drugs!.. But all of these topics > are too complex to really pass judgement from knowledge one gathered > from the net or in say a year or two!.. One would only be allowed to > pass judgement if one would be PERSONALLY INVOLVED in the subject for > a time long enough, let's say 6 years minimum! That's the reason why > the government sends ex-druggies to schools to tell the kids! Anyone > else wouldn't seem credible enough! Yeah, and those "ex-druggies" are in the minority. Most people who take drugs for a while (and are -smart- about taking drugs) remember that they had a good time, but they simply don't do them any more. > Now, i haven't seen neither of you (brendan & Marc) mention the > sideeffects of E for example, WHAT it does to your brain and the > long-term effects!.. Saying "inform yourself about what you're > taking' is not enough if you're advocating drug-use! ANY good article > i ever read about drugs (e.g. in Techno-Magazines!) had that in it! > Saying something as blatant as "drugs are stupid" without giving > reasons is pretty offensive and intolerant, i agree with Brendan > there, but saying "Drugs are okay" without giving the facts just > doesn't seem correct either! Errr...what facts do you need, man? I have books and books and pages of facts to reference from if you need them. xolotl ranted: > > There is a great slide show here that shows you what e does to your > brain, and some of the dangers associated with e. The truth is there have > been no long term tests done on any humans with mdma. There have been some > experiments conducted with rats, and i think with monkey's but don't qutoe > me on that. Personally i've had some violent mood swings, some depression, > and a bit of long term memory loss up to a few days after taking the drug > but it's not a regular occurance. They think it MIGHT be connected with > parkisons disease but again...don't quote me on that. I'd be more than > happy to share my trips/experiences with anyone else who would like to > share/know more. Or it might have to do with the other chemicals that they put in E. I don't know why people feel a need to put shit in E, when pure E is just fine. I've had a little bit of post-drug depression, but nothing major. And E is just cousin of speed, so any research on speed would be similar to research on E. (Of course, the happy effects aren't in the speed research, but the other stuff is.) Deekay spewed: > > Spain named a Street after AC/DC? > What's it called? "Highway to hell?" ;-D > > Sorry, couldn't help it! <:-) Ugh! What's worse that AC/DC? Bad AC/DC jokes. > Brendan, you don't REALLY wanna start this argument, do you? <:-) > I mean - we've had it before, didn't we? Apparently only the 10%+ > musicians are angry at mp3s, the normal 5% musicians see the > possibilities and so should you!.. I'm fine with grabbing a few songs from an album on MP3. I do it myself to test an album before I buy it. But, grabbing an entire CD on MP3 is bad, bad, bad. > Question: If you hate the "talentless CD cutters" so much, why would > you give them 95% of the price you pay for a CD voluntarily? That's a dumb question. Do you know of any way to get a CD without paying for it, short of stealing? -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Message Boards Date: 23 Mar 2000 13:42:23 -0500 ".." wrote: > > If i set an UBB message board that wasn't censored with no ads would you > all be interested in it? UBB is similar to what DVDtalk.com runs. Nice > setup. Would be nice to have an open message board to discuss anything > without censorships. Cuz i frankly dont care. Please take a look at RPGBoard. It's, in a lot of ppl's opinion, the best MB out there. It's on my site at http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/software/rpgboard/ I'm not tooting my own horn just for my ego, but I'd hate to see you get one of those damn UBB or WWWThread boards. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) Message Boards Date: 23 Mar 2000 14:05:24 EST Brendan proclaimed: "I'm not tooting my own horn just for my ego." You aren't? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oleg Rekutin Subject: Re[2]: (orbital) Message Boards Date: 23 Mar 2000 15:00:09 -0500 Not to start a flamewar, but I disagree with "damn UBB board." I find UBB very nice, and a whole lot of sites are using it quite successfully. Not to mention I'm going to be writing my own bulletin board software soon, but that's for a private project, so it's not likely to go public or anything. - Oleg Thursday, March 23, 2000, 1:42:23 PM, you wrote: BBS> ".." wrote: >> >> If i set an UBB message board that wasn't censored with no ads would you >> all be interested in it? UBB is similar to what DVDtalk.com runs. Nice >> setup. Would be nice to have an open message board to discuss anything >> without censorships. Cuz i frankly dont care. BBS> Please take a look at RPGBoard. It's, in a lot of ppl's opinion, the BBS> best MB out there. It's on my site at BBS> http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/software/rpgboard/ BBS> I'm not tooting my own horn just for my ego, but I'd hate to see you get BBS> one of those damn UBB or WWWThread boards. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Message Boards Date: 23 Mar 2000 16:10:59 -0500 Oleg Rekutin wrote: > > Not to start a flamewar, but I disagree with "damn UBB board." I find > UBB very nice, and a whole lot of sites are using it quite successfully. UBB -looks- nice, but I find it to be a pain in the ass in the functionality department, and it doesn't have anything special that I don't already have in RPGBoard. > Not to mention I'm going to be writing my own bulletin board software > soon, but that's for a private project, so it's not likely to go public > or anything. What for? College project, or do you need it for something? I figure "Why duplicate work" when you can use something else and tweak it to your own needs. "Good programmers know what to write. Great ones know what to rewrite (and reuse)." -- Eric S. Raymond -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) OAKEY! Date: 23 Mar 2000 19:27:55 EST Hey all, Um, I know there's like 5 of you out there in the Boston area, so last call to get put on the Paul Oakenfold/Dave Ralph guest list :-) I'm headed out to the pre-party around 9:00 :-)))) Lata! Robbie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: OT: Re: (orbital) Message Boards -> Eric Raymond Date: 24 Mar 2000 01:34:19 +0000 > "Good programmers know what to write. Great ones know what to rewrite > (and reuse)." -- Eric S. Raymond > > -- > Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Speaking of Opensource: If you guys wanna have a good laugh, check out http://microsoft.eu.org Do it as long as it's there! ;-D It might be damn slow as it runs on a 64k-line, but there's not much data to be transferred anyway! 8) DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) the ever-ongoing mp3-discussion.. Date: 24 Mar 2000 01:34:19 +0000 {all the "don't leech stuff that you can by in stores" stuff snipped] Hey! You guys have REALLY bought this "copy kills music" shit the record industry is spreading? 8) Do you REALLY think that just because the record industry's margins have dropped by 7% there'll be no more music?? And that Bands go out of business and quit making music just because they sell less albums? "Shit!.. Our margins have dropped from 95% to 88% How are we supposed to live on that! HELP! HELP! WE'RE GOING BANKRUPT! We can't pay our artists anymore!" Duudes, wake up! 8) The fact remains - these fucks make 95% profit of someone else's creativity!.. And as far as i am concerned they can completely go to hell!.. ALL of the majors! Unfortunately it won't happen! NOBODY needs them! WHAT for would we need them??? MUSIC will always be there, will always find a way!.. What's this weird thinking that an artist needs a record label to become popular? Hasn't especially ORBITAL proven the exact opposite?? It seems that all of you have forgotten about what happened since they introduced the CD!.. It was WAY more expensive than a Record, and People were complaining... So they said "we need to get the money back that we spent on development of the CD, after that prices will drop.. well, what happened? The prices were CONSTANTLY raised! They can simply charge so much for a CD cause people are willing to PAY it, since they want the music (which is all that counts! Not the Top-of-the-pops, radio play shit marketing!) Now people don't HAVE to buy the CDs anymore since there's mp3.. and they don't! .. They just don't!.. I think that's a great thing! 8) Don't get me wrong, the last thing i want is ripping the artists off... they might go through a hard time now with the current structures established, but if you get a foul tooth removed, it also hurts, but it's better for you afterwards! I would be happy to pay $5 for an album and download it straight from the artist's server, including booklet and all that!... IF THAT WHOLE $5 GOES TO THE ARTIST!.. Let's see... that is exactly TEN times as much as he'd make of that $10 deal that Rob mentioned!.. okay, subtract some studio costs and web-traffic and he'll still get a multiple of what he'd usually get!.. I'm watching this whole thing laughing my ass off with the RIIA and it's villains running around like headless chicken trying to re-invent the internet while they themselves said exactly 1 year ago that mp3 is "just a trend for a few freaks and will soon vanish!" mp3 is here to stay, and i dunno how the situation will develop, but the only thing i somehow know is that the outcome will be good! 8) And that'll be the first REAL liberation the internet has brought us then, Linux will be the second (or the other way around, doesn't matter! 8) Remember: The Artists hate the record industry, and so do we... Why on earth should we support them in ANY way at all?? The only thing I'm buying is Orbital, and that's just because i have to, with the old rotten structures still established!.. And yeah: Fuck the shitheads that sell mp3s, have klickbanner sites running or are selling copied CDRs! These should go to hell aswell! "1000 copied CDs kill one Newcomer band!" Yeah right!... Isn't it rather: "One record company boss kills 1000 Newcomer bands a day" >:-) Maybe mainstream will go away!.. Maybe there'll be a MULTITUDE of bands suddenly and nobody knows anymore who's hip and trendy... but is that really bad??? 8) Couldn't we all do SOOO fucking well without all these artificial shit-bands, boy-, girl- and hermaphroditegroups and this shit? >:-) Remember: MUSIC WILL ALWAYS BE THERE!!!! It's one of man's most basic needs and talents to make and consume music! Record companies need the artists (cause they're not productive themselves, they just live off other's creativity!) but artists don't need the record companies anymore these days! 8) And that's FUCKING funny!.. When cars became popular, nobody needed any more blacksmiths and all that... when electricity became popular, nobody needed the people that built steam engines anymore... and we're approaching a time where the exact same thing will happen to a) Microsoft and b) the Record companies! >:-) How did the "slave" of Sony music (The artist formerly known as Prince") call it? Sign o' the times! The basic principle that the RIIA just seems to be unable to grasp ist the sheer possiblility of digital copies. I copy from someone else and have the exact same thing!.. That's generally VERY hard to get ahold of for the human mind! 8) In ALL other areas of life, if i take something away from someone, i have it and he hasn't! and if i copy it it's lossy copying, that means it's just not the original! but with digital copying that's completely different. The presence of digital copies being there moves the power away from the producers towards the consumer, and this is something that we've all been waiting for for quite some time now!.. I CAN buy some software if i wanna use it, but i don't HAVE to... I CAN buy an Album if i want it but i don't HAVE to! And all this without STEALING from anone! 8) Sorry, but i have to go a little offtopiv now: I always laugh my ass off if i see figures from the SPA (Software Piracy Association) that say: "We lost $30 Gazillion last year due to pirated software" - totally neglecting the fact that only a tiny fraction of the people would've actually BOUGHT the stuff if they had to, either because it's not worth buying it anyway or they simply wouldn't have the dough! btw: There's no such thing as software piracy as pirates robbed (=took things AWAY!) and murdered people! That's all just propaganda BS! Have you ever heard of a software vendor (that made some great products!) that went out of business cause of software piracy?? I know i haven't!.. If someone produces good stuff, people are willing to pay for it!.. And if Hash Animator Pro can do a pretty large part of the things that Max, Softimage, Maya, Cinema and Lightwave can do and only costs a tiny fraction of it, i will buy it!.. (Strange... There's no such thing as large differences in price in the music business!... I wonder why? >:-) DeeKay, dreaming of the day when i'd turn on the radio and listen to it straight for several days without ever hearing the same song twice! Quote P.Hartnoll: "Anything that raises hell in the record industry is good" - and no, Steve, i don't think he was joking very much there cause other artists say the same thing! >:-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Message Boards Date: 24 Mar 2000 01:34:19 +0000 > ".." wrote: > > > > If i set an UBB message board that wasn't censored with no ads would you > > all be interested in it? UBB is similar to what DVDtalk.com runs. Nice > > setup. Would be nice to have an open message board to discuss anything > > without censorships. Cuz i frankly dont care. > > Please take a look at RPGBoard. It's, in a lot of ppl's opinion, the > best MB out there. It's on my site at > http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/software/rpgboard/ > > I'm not tooting my own horn just for my ego, but I'd hate to see you get > one of those damn UBB or WWWThread boards. > Nopes, the best one there is is BurgBBS! 8) A true BBS-like board in Perl (even featuring oneliners!)... I think it's at http://www.scs-trc.net/sh DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Music Industry Date: 23 Mar 2000 19:52:04 EST Alright, not to kiss ass but, why is it that everytime we have an argument, and we sort of spat around at each other about a topic, and a psuedo-flamewar starts, Deekay always steps up and sets the record straight? People, he's definitely correct about MP3s and the music industry. I mean, there's no contesting it. The music industry is fucking us, and we sit here and protect our beloved artists. The artists know this, but they have no choice. Orbital just wouldn't have the resources available to start an indepedent, a true independent. Besides, as far as they're concerned everyone is winning. :-) But they still support corrupting the music industry, I believe. Of course they're not going to be vocal about it, but they're going to be ambiguous as well! :-) Alright, enough of this. Axis awaits... Peace, Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) Orbital-Circle discovered! Date: 24 Mar 2000 03:03:50 +0000 When making some logo and scanning for some useful shit just now i=20 realized that The Orbital Circle is actually a part of the=20 Windings-Font! 8) It's the Cent-sign =A2 and it can be typed by holding=20 the alt-key and typing 0162!.. I've checked the proportions, and it is the EXACT same thing! 8))) That's pretty funny actually! 8) And it eases things up pretty much when doing orbital-related stuff,=20 hehe!.. Finally the circle is scalable(font!) in Photoshop 5+! ;-D DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) the ever-ongoing mp3-discussion.. Date: 24 Mar 2000 03:03:50 +0000 > The only thing I'm buying is Orbital, and that's just because i have > to, with the old rotten structures still established!.. I just re-read that, lemme rephrase it: The only thing I'm buying is Orbital, and that's just because i want to support them as much as possible, and with the old rotten structures that are still established buying their CDs is the only way! DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "KELL SIMON" Subject: (orbital) fs Date: 23 Mar 2000 12:45:44 -0500 quick fs list. $8 each including shipping. Mu-ziq - brace yourself autechre - tri repeate ++ underworld - beaucoup fish jega - spectrum alex reece - so far deep dish - junk science mike oldfield - the bell (cds) fila brazilia - mess (uk) asian dub foundation - rafi's revenge ebtg - walking wounded system 7 - fire & water artificial intelligence ii (warp) dj soul slinger - don't believe photek - risk vs. reward mercury rev - deserter's songs photek - form & function speedy j - gspot (2cd, one is live) oakenfold - tranceport total science vol. 1 (1995 or so uk dnb comp w/ roni size, "dillinger") v classic (konkrete jungle comp w/ roni size, goldie, dillinjah, krust = etc) stereolab - dots & loops boards of canada - music has the right... email kas@gswc.com=20 thanks = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: (orbital) available bootleg MP3s on Marc's server Date: 24 Mar 2000 09:29:37 GMT Hi, just a quick note that anxious awaiters of the Roskilde show can now get almost all of it from Marc's server. the tracks uploaded until now in (/Upload) are : Orbital - Dr Who (live in Roskilde '99) Orbital - Chime (full live in Roskilde '99) Orbital - Way Out (live in Roskilde '99) Orbital - I Don't Know You People (live in Roskilde '99) Orbital - Halcyon (live in Roskilde '99) Orbital - Impact (Roskilde is burning '99) If things go fast like now, I may even upload them all by the end of the day. Regards, Trym Trym Asserson - 'Apollo' - apollo_project@hotmail.com Biosphere Zine : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceetba/apollo/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick McGinn" Subject: Re: (orbital) the ever-ongoing mp3-discussion.. Date: 24 Mar 2000 15:38:23 -0500 I didn't want to get into this, but all of DK's arguments leave out the division between our music and major label music. > The fact remains - these fucks make 95% profit of someone else's > creativity!.. And as far as i am concerned they can completely go to > hell!.. ALL of the majors! Unfortunately it won't happen! > NOBODY needs them! > WHAT for would we need them??? MUSIC will always be there, will > always find a way!.. What's this weird thinking that an artist needs > a record label to become popular? Hasn't especially ORBITAL proven > the exact opposite?? You seem to be saying that the artist deserves 100% of the profit. This is quite frankly, extremely stupid. Would you say the engineers who worked on the BMW M3 deserve every penny from every M3 ever sold? No, because they weren't the only people involved. In fact, their job was the easiest economically. They did the creation, but now the company has to actually move those cars. They gotta build the factories, pay to keep them operating, hire machinists, and get the cars shipped to dealers (who then mark up the price again to cover their expenses.) I realize what you're going to say to this, that the analogy I made is idiotic because artists can put stuff out on the web with no distribution costs. That's wrong though. They still have to pay for bandwith, servers, a web design team, etc. You also seem to be saying that artists are locked into signing to a major label and releasing their stuff the traditional way... You said "music will find a way." The fact is, music already has, but it's not the way you want. If you want as much money from your purchase as possible to go to the artist, then buy direct from the label, or from independent and local record stores. You should find that the prices are much cheaper than what you'd pay at the mall. > Remember: The Artists hate the record industry, and so do we... > Why on earth should we support them in ANY way at all?? I wouldn't say that. If they hated it, they either wouldn't be part of it, or they'd ignore it. > The only thing I'm buying is Orbital, and that's just because i have > to, with the old rotten structures still established!.. > > Maybe mainstream will go away!.. Maybe there'll be a MULTITUDE of > bands suddenly and nobody knows anymore who's hip and trendy... but > is that really bad??? 8) Couldn't we all do SOOO fucking well without > all these artificial shit-bands, boy-, girl- and hermaphroditegroups > and this shit? >:-) The mainstream will always be there. Most of us [on this list] live outside of it. Looking at the CDs on my desk, listen to the label names: Interdimensional Transmission, Nothing, Mad Monkey, Car Park, Mego, Broklyn Beats, Planet e, Skam, Sulphur, V/Vm, Ninja Tune, Planet Mu, and Caipirinha. How many of them would *you* call mainstream? One or two for the Americans, and maybe three or four for the British? This stuff's out there. Search for it, then support the stuff you like. Just because it's not sold at fucking Sam Goody doesn't mean it's not available. > The basic principle that the RIIA just seems to be unable to grasp > ist the sheer possiblility of digital copies. I copy from someone > else and have the exact same thing!.. That's generally VERY hard to > get ahold of for the human mind! 8) In ALL other areas of life, if i > take something away from someone, i have it and he hasn't! and if i > copy it it's lossy copying, that means it's just not the original! > but with digital copying that's completely different. > The presence of digital copies being there moves the power away from > the producers towards the consumer, and this is something that we've > all been waiting for for quite some time now!.. I CAN buy some > software if i wanna use it, but i don't HAVE to... I CAN buy an Album > if i want it but i don't HAVE to! And all this without STEALING from > anone! 8) That section actually made me laugh out loud. The thing is, you're not god damned entitled to hear these records! You're not entitled to use that software! No one owes you anything. It's all just a long winded self-absolving way of saying "this music isn't worth paying for. The artist does not deserve any of my money." If that wasn't the way you felt, you'd suck it up like the rest of us and buy the CDs until something better came along. And yes, you do *HAVE* to. Otherwise you're breaking the law. The only way I will ever download an MP3 without payment is if there is no way the artist would otherwise received my money (this includes mainly OOP material - stuff that completely sold out it's print run, and is now only available used. Also included is unreleased material (eg the three new songs BoC played at New Year's)) or material was released on the label's web page for free. Hugs and kisses, Xaos 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Henderson" Subject: (orbital) Re: available bootleg MP3s on Marc's server Date: 24 Mar 2000 14:24:09 -0700 Alright!!! Another example of a MORON (me) posting a semi-private message to the list. I suck! Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ".." Subject: Re: (orbital) the ever-ongoing mp3-discussion.. Date: 24 Mar 2000 14:31:42 -0800 I only have a few words for patrick! Viva Fascismo! Viva Reagan! Viva Capitalismo! Viva Trickle Down Economics Drip Drip Drip goes the water... Let's hear from some more capitalist apologists. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ".." Subject: Re: (orbital) the ever-ongoing mp3-discussion.. rereading this archaic Date: 24 Mar 2000 14:47:37 -0800 > You seem to be saying that the artist deserves 100% of the profit. This is > quite frankly, extremely stupid. Would you say the engineers who worked on > the BMW M3 deserve every penny from every M3 ever sold? No, because they > weren't the only people involved. In fact, their job was the easiest > economically. They did the creation, but now the company has to actually > move those cars. They gotta build the factories, pay to keep them > operating, hire machinists, and get the cars shipped to dealers (who then > mark up the price again to cover their expenses.) Noone argued they deserved 100% of the profit. Your reactionary thinking has led you to this total negative-obscene conclusion. My brother works for a large Pool/Spa Company that caters to very bourgeois clients. They charge 85$/hr for his labor and pay him 12$. These companies are bending them over. I wouldnt say he deserves 85$ an hour buy 1/6th(roughly) is robbery. > I realize what you're going to say to this, that the analogy I made is > idiotic because artists can put stuff out on the web with no distribution > costs. That's wrong though. They still have to pay for bandwith, servers, > a web design team, etc. You also seem to be saying that artists are locked > into signing to a major label and releasing their stuff the traditional > way... You said "music will find a way." The fact is, music already has, > but it's not the way you want. If you want as much money from your purchase > as possible to go to the artist, then buy direct from the label, or from > independent and local record stores. You should find that the prices are > much cheaper than what you'd pay at the mall. This is very true, sometimes. You are able to pick up nerf herder's latest "how to meet girls" for 10$ from www.honestdons.com(their label). While online with coupons @ buy.com(loss leaders) has it for around 8$ shipped . But retail it'll be 12.99-14.99+tax. > Remember: The Artists hate the record industry, and so do we.. > Why on earth should we support them in ANY way at all?? > I wouldn't say that. If they hated it, they either wouldn't be part of it, > or they'd ignore it. This again is obsurd reaganite-archaic era thinking. Tomorrow you go polling strangers n the street. Ask how many people hate there jobs. Ask why they stay. They have too. Bands need labels to be successful, and labels need bands. Just one needs more than the other. Owners need workers, workers need owners. Workers are replaceable, owners aren't. Supply and demand in effect. If the supply if talented bands was low record labels would NEED to give more back to the bands, but they don't, since there are hundreds of bands out there with great talent, if not thousands.\ > The mainstream will always be there. Most of us [on this list] live outside > of it. Looking at the CDs on my desk, listen to the label names: > Interdimensional Transmission, Nothing, Mad Monkey, Car Park, Mego, Broklyn > Beats, Planet e, Skam, Sulphur, V/Vm, Ninja Tune, Planet Mu, and Caipirinha. > How many of them would *you* call mainstream? One or two for the Americans, > and maybe three or four for the British? This stuff's out there. Search > for it, then support the stuff you like. Just because it's not sold at > fucking Sam Goody doesn't mean it's not available. Seems to me like you just had an orgasm stroking your own ego at your "rare" cds on your desk. > That section actually made me laugh out loud. The thing is, you're not god > damned entitled to hear these records! You're not entitled to use that > software! No one owes you anything. It's all just a long winded > self-absolving way of saying "this music isn't worth paying for. The artist > does not deserve any of my money." If that wasn't the way you felt, you'd > suck it up like the rest of us and buy the CDs until something better came > along. And yes, you do *HAVE* to. Otherwise you're breaking the law. As propagandhi said "How can you copyright sounds and noises". You can't. You are trying to tell me that any sound created was actually the first time that sound was ever created? So you had this great idea right, you dont think someone else ever had it? Wrong. You'll have to excuse me but some famous renaissance painter said something to the effect that great work is stolen from centuries old ideas and good work is stolen from yesterdays idea. That's a horrible paraphrase, but the idea is. Everythng is stolen. There is no such thing as originality or a new idea If you think you are original and unique because of something you do, you're just stroking your own ego. My final two cents. There will always be people holding onto archaic ideas. Look at the british, they still have a queen. Monarchies are dead. But there are some people who would still support royal power. RainFall # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Henderson" Subject: (orbital) Re: available bootleg MP3s on Marc's server Date: 24 Mar 2000 14:22:32 -0700 Howdy again Trym, Thanks a ton for uploading the tracks!! Now, it's time for my "looking a gift horse in the mouth" comment: A few of the tracks seem to have ripped a little funky -- examples: I Don't Know You People has some wacky skip/speed problems around 3:56, and Halcyon has some at about 2:11 and 2:23. If you have the original source CD, and it doesn't have the skips, I will pay your or trade you for an audio copy on CDR. Or you can tell me to get bent... :) Anyway, it's still a fab recording of the show (radio broadcast, apparently), and thanks again! Mike ----- Hi, just a quick note that anxious awaiters of the Roskilde show can now get almost all of it from Marc's server. the tracks uploaded until now in (/Upload) are : Orbital - Dr Who (live in Roskilde '99) Orbital - Chime (full live in Roskilde '99) Orbital - Way Out (live in Roskilde '99) Orbital - I Don't Know You People (live in Roskilde '99) Orbital - Halcyon (live in Roskilde '99) Orbital - Impact (Roskilde is burning '99) If things go fast like now, I may even upload them all by the end of the day. Regards, Trym # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mehul Parekh I" Subject: (orbital) help! Date: 25 Mar 2000 12:32:44 -0600 Okay, after I started the last flame war about drugs and alcohol, I feel ready to ask another question. I was at Best Buy yesterday and I saw a Technics SL-BD20D turntable. I need 'a' turntable. Is it any good? If at some time I were to buy a mixer, would this turntable be attachable to the mixer? Thank you kindly people. PS I know DJ's around the world are fighting about which one's better the new Vestax or the Technics, but I am just asking as an amatuer, who doesn't have access to the 'real' Technics. Mehul Parekh I __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) BOOTLEG! Date: 25 Mar 2000 15:09:23 EST People, I think we should all applaud Trym for a job well done with the bootleg he's been uploading to Marky Marc's server. It's the best version of Dr. Who and Chime I've heard, and probably ever WILL hear live. God, the bass is so defined, sounds great on the ol' Sennheisers! (I can't stress enough how wonderful that company. At CeBIT in Germany, they had a fuckin jackhammer playing next to a pair of Sennheisers, and people could go up and listen to 'em, and still not hear a thing!) Anyway, thanks Trym for upping the show. Where's "Spare Parts Express?" :-))) Later, Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) the ever-ongoing mp3-discussion.. Date: 25 Mar 2000 21:12:10 +0000 > http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2000/03/24/napster_artists/index.html > I've read through the article and i have to say that it's written rather onesided and only touches the surface of the whole problem. Some examples: 1. almost only supposedly >10% contract people were quoted as Artists, and we all know that they are against it! >:-) What about the countless <5%-musicians? Hardly any mention! 2. WTF is all this reduction to Napster? Napster is just a tool for easily trading mp3s! Give these guys a fucking break, they only made the tool, nothing else!.. I can transfer mp3s in EVERY possible way, ftp, http, dcc, hotline, email, ICQ and what not, so what's the fucking point in making napster the big scapegoat? I seems these people missed the fucking point!.. 3. I haven't seen a REAL mention on the Record Companies and how much profit they make, neither have i seen the question WHY the people are so fucking excited about mp3, cause the answer would've been something like "All of us have been waiting for the day when we would not have to buy overpriced CDs anymore!" Quit talking about something as insignificant as Napster and publish some facts about the ways the majors treat their artists and some figures about the profits they make, will ya? 4.If a record company wanted one of their artist to give a statement on napster, you can be SURE they can adress them in a way that will make the artist angry and NOT question the need ot their record company itself! 5. Too many notions of "steal" and "piracy" in the article! People who say this have yet to understand the difference between theft and digital copies! 6. The writer of the article is from the Rolling Stone, and afiak RS is just another whore to the record industry as MTV is!.. One noteable mention was in the article, the sentence "The Genie's out of the bottle, now artist need to let evolution happen" which is about my view on the whole matter! Conclusion: Quite a superficial, shortsighted article with alot of half-assed comparisions and that barely touches the actual problem and fails to really question the deeper meaning of what's actually happening! No thanks, I'll stick to the musicians i talk to, and they say something absolutely different! >:-) DeeKay P.S.: I've spent about 10.000 hours (rough approximation) of my life doing stuff for free that is just meant to bring joy to people, so i dislike it when musicians tell me they go bankrupt cause people don't pay for their music! >:-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) the ever-ongoing mp3-discussion.. Date: 25 Mar 2000 21:12:10 +0000 Xaos wrote: > I didn't want to get into this, but all of DK's arguments leave out the > division between our music and major label music. > > > The fact remains - these fucks make 95% profit of someone else's > > creativity!.. And as far as i am concerned they can completely go to > > hell!.. ALL of the majors! Unfortunately it won't happen! > > NOBODY needs them! > > WHAT for would we need them??? MUSIC will always be there, will > > always find a way!.. What's this weird thinking that an artist needs > > a record label to become popular? Hasn't especially ORBITAL proven > > the exact opposite?? > > You seem to be saying that the artist deserves 100% of the profit. This is > quite frankly, extremely stupid. Would you say the engineers who worked on > the BMW M3 deserve every penny from every M3 ever sold? No, because they > weren't the only people involved. In fact, their job was the easiest > economically. They did the creation, but now the company has to actually > move those cars. They gotta build the factories, pay to keep them > operating, hire machinists, and get the cars shipped to dealers (who then > mark up the price again to cover their expenses.) > Sorry, but that comparison is hella astray!.. You can't compare something as complex as a car, that has THOUSANDS of people involved in the making to something like music, which can be produced by ONE single guy with a guitar in the most extreme example!~In the worst case there are a maximum of say 10 people involved to MAKE a single song (sth like choirs and orchestras left aside!) btw: Ever tried downloading a car online? >:-) > I realize what you're going to say to this, that the analogy I made is > idiotic because artists can put stuff out on the web with no distribution > costs. Not only that, the sheer POSSIBILITY to download their stuff already puts it in a totally different category!.. Let alone the price, the nature of the product (car <> music) and countless other things! > That's wrong though. They still have to pay for bandwith, servers, > a web design team, etc. If you read closely, i already mentioned that: "okay, subtract some studio costs and web-traffic and he'll still get a multiple of what he'd usually get!.." Traffic scales with the amount of songs downloaded, so the more traffic they make, the more money they earn! The other costs are fixed and not that much of an issue anymore these days when every second person is a webdesigner! > You also seem to be saying that artists are locked > into signing to a major label and releasing their stuff the traditional > way... You said "music will find a way." The fact is, music already has, > but it's not the way you want. If you want as much money from your purchase > as possible to go to the artist, then buy direct from the label, or from > independent and local record stores. You should find that the prices are > much cheaper than what you'd pay at the mall. > No, they're not... in fact they're even more expensive! Plus i tend to think these days that travelling through the city to 5 different super-small independant shops looking for something for a whole day is *a bit* time consuming and simply not adequate anymore in the digital age!.. > > Remember: The Artists hate the record industry, and so do we... > > Why on earth should we support them in ANY way at all?? > > I wouldn't say that. If they hated it, they either wouldn't be part of it, > or they'd ignore it. > Now that's some strange way of thinking! >:-) Let's compare this with Microsoft... How many people would choose an alternative if they could? 80%? 95%? >:-) You can't IGNORE the record industry when you want your music to spread, just like you can't ignore Windows when you make a good product and want that to spread! > > The only thing I'm buying is Orbital, and that's just because i have > > to, with the old rotten structures still established!.. > > > > Maybe mainstream will go away!.. Maybe there'll be a MULTITUDE of > > bands suddenly and nobody knows anymore who's hip and trendy... but > > is that really bad??? 8) Couldn't we all do SOOO fucking well without > > all these artificial shit-bands, boy-, girl- and hermaphroditegroups > > and this shit? >:-) > > The mainstream will always be there. Most of us [on this list] live outside > of it. Looking at the CDs on my desk, listen to the label names: > Interdimensional Transmission, Nothing, Mad Monkey, Car Park, Mego, Broklyn > Beats, Planet e, Skam, Sulphur, V/Vm, Ninja Tune, Planet Mu, and Caipirinha. > How many of them would *you* call mainstream? One or two for the Americans, > and maybe three or four for the British? This stuff's out there. Search > for it, then support the stuff you like. Just because it's not sold at > fucking Sam Goody doesn't mean it's not available. > You missed my point there... That part does hardly make any sense to me, what are you trying to say? Maybe Angelfire wasn't all that wrong with his interpretation! >;-D > > The basic principle that the RIIA just seems to be unable to grasp > > ist the sheer possiblility of digital copies. I copy from someone > > else and have the exact same thing!.. That's generally VERY hard to > > get ahold of for the human mind! 8) In ALL other areas of life, if i > > take something away from someone, i have it and he hasn't! and if i > > copy it it's lossy copying, that means it's just not the original! > > but with digital copying that's completely different. > > The presence of digital copies being there moves the power away from > > the producers towards the consumer, and this is something that we've > > all been waiting for for quite some time now!.. I CAN buy some > > software if i wanna use it, but i don't HAVE to... I CAN buy an Album > > if i want it but i don't HAVE to! And all this without STEALING from > > anone! 8) > > That section actually made me laugh out loud. The thing is, you're not god > damned entitled to hear these records! You're not entitled to use that > software! Maybe I'm not legally ALLOWED to, but i CAN if i want to without "stealing" anything from anyone! And that's my point! It only depends on my personal ethos if i choose to buy it!.. And i still buy the CDs i like (but ONLY these!) and i always get the company i work at to buy the software that i've found to be great at home, which is EXACTLY what the software companies know, that's why they're not fighting software "piracy" as much as they could! Pirate software has made ANY system widely popular: the c64, the Amiga, the PC and the Playstation!.. If you don't see the advertising potential the warez-scene has for the software companies then you must be blind! 8) > No one owes you anything. It's all just a long winded > self-absolving way of saying "this music isn't worth paying for. The artist > does not deserve any of my money." No, it means the artist is not great enough to make me give his record company 95% of the 35DM ($18) that i'd pay for a CD here! > If that wasn't the way you felt, you'd > suck it up like the rest of us and buy the CDs until something better came > along. And yes, you do *HAVE* to. Otherwise you're breaking the law. > That is doubtable... actually you're even ENTITLED to copy a music-CD you bought 5 times or so for friends non-commercially what i heard recently!.. As long as i don't SELL anything (which i never would!) And no, i don't HAVE to, Mr. White-Hat! >:-) And please remember the example of the foul tooth that is being removed!.. if we SUPPORT this oldfashioned, monopolistic shit that the record industry actually is, we'll never really see the day when the ARTISTS actually get the money! Aren't especially you Americans fed up with having to buy imports for a fortune? and having to wait for weeks after release till you get some new album from europe? That wouldn't be the case anymore if we got rid of this old rotten structure! I agree mp3 and napster are quite a cheeky ripoff, and for some time to come people will prefer to grab the mp3s for FREE rather than downloading it from the artists webpage for say, $5, even if it was there!.. But the example of online software distribution has shown that it definately can work this way! Best regards, DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) Roskilde99 cover... Date: 25 Mar 2000 21:19:04 +0000 I've uploaded the cover i made for Roskilde for all of you to enjoy! ;-D Hope you like it! DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) hmmm. Halycon Live Date: 25 Mar 2000 15:55:10 EST Hey Trym, There are some parts in the Live Halcyon that you uploaded that are messed up. There are some pops, and it actually speeds up in some places and sounds all fucked up for a couple seconds. Is anyone else encountering this? It's an awesome awesome version otherwise. Better than the Live in NYC version! Just thought I'd let you know. Give it a looksee Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) I don't know you people (errors) Date: 25 Mar 2000 16:13:09 EST There are the same kind of errors in "I don't know you people" as there are in "Halcyon." It gets really bad towards the end. Just thought I'd let you know. Rob P.S. Deekay, sorry for sending that to you twice, I hit the "reply" button instead of the "reply all" one. Sowwy :-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) OT: Echelon/Woolsey offense.. Date: 25 Mar 2000 23:04:04 +0000 Hi! I'm mailing you cause i'd just like to hear some opinions from some americans about the topic and since this list features alot of americans!.. The point is that there's this global network called Echelon, which has been built by America (Australia and England are also in it!) to spy on the world.. Now its existance has finally been officially confirmed by american sources since too many things surfaced, so when questionned about that, the ex-CIA-Chef James Woolsey has reacted with an utterly arrogant speech about american technological superiority and european bribery, which has caused a great uproar with people as it is diplomatically not the wisest thing when you're caught with your hand in the cookie-jar to offend and insult the owner! However, the media refuse to take on this subject but the german net-community is very upset! Read a little about this on: http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/special/ech/6662/1.html (it's in English!) and just give some statements.. Is his view of things really the popular american belief? Thanks in advance! DeeKay P.S.: Fact is, he is lying! There is clear evidence on a few cases where superior technology-information gained from Echelon has been given to american companies to prevent german companies from getting large-scale orders! Now since this is the spying business it is not hard to tell that the ACTUAL number of cases is approximately several hundred times as high! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) OT: Echelon/Woolsey offense.. Date: 26 Mar 2000 04:19:19 +0000 > By the way, good artwork. But, can you make a new back cover one that > doesn't have Paul looking like a retard? hehehehe > > Later, > Rob > Ahwell, sorry! <:-) But i didn't make the photos, and unfortunately these 2 pictures on the front & back are all i had from the Roskilde gig! <:-) the bewildered look on his face was actuallly the reason why i put the thinking-bubble over his head! 8) I thought that kinda made up for it! ;-D I could 'mutilate' him filter-wise in some other way though, but that wouldn't be paul anymore, eh? 8) btw: thanks for your long reply! So summing up, your conclusion would be that Woolsey really voiced the *general* american opinion? DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) MP3s/Software Date: 25 Mar 2000 15:41:40 EST Just a few things... First of all, as for Microsoft, it's true because if a software development company has a really excellent product, they can't ignore the fact that it pretty much HAS TO work with Windows. Of course, there are Linux and Unix versions, but we'd be retards to think that they'd only develop the product for those platforms. If a company wants to survive, it must be compatible with Windows. This makes me quite sad actually, seeing as though Windows is so fuckin ridiculously unstable. I hate that shit. I work on Windows and Linux, and Linux has never given me ONE problem. NOT ONE! And I never realized before that we've come to a point where people don't realize that the most popular product out there might not necessarily be the best thing on the market. Windows sucks shit. But hey, they got the marketing behind them to drive that shit right up in our faces, and pretty much decide for us what OS we need. Linux is free, and it's so stable. I'm in love with it. However, I'm forced to use Windows to do other applications. *sucks* Now, as for applications like MS-Office, please go to www.sun.com and download StarOffice. It's the best piece of software of the year as far as I'm concerned. The folks at Sun Microsystems have really spited Mr. Gates with this one. You can actually create a document and save it in MS-Office format! You don't even have to convert it, it just does it for you! You can open MS-Office files on it, with absolutely no glitches. :-) And it's FREE, and SMALLER than the HUGE MS-Office files. :-))) Now, back to MP3s... Deekay chuckled.. "btw: Ever tried downloading a car online? >:-)" Yes, I have, but it didn't work ;-( "Traffic scales with the amount of songs downloaded, so the more traffic they make, the more money they earn! The other costs are fixed and not that much of an issue anymore these days when every second person is a webdesigner!" Yep, the cost of things will be based on the demand (ie. web traffic) It'll actually be easier to determine demand for companies. Think about all the products that can be used just to monitor the traffic! As a marketer, I see this being a great new area to invest in! :-) MP3s are not hurting the economy or the record industry, they're actually creating new, potential markets that were never before realized! "No, they're not... in fact they're even more expensive! Plus i tend to think these days that travelling through the city to 5 different super-small independant shops looking for something for a whole day is *a bit* time consuming and simply not adequate anymore in the digital age!.." Yeah, RIGHT ON! I'm not a lazy bastard or anything, but I find it quite hard to find the music I want when I go out to find a CD at say...Tower. I mean, there are a few local shops here in Boston, but they don't carry the good stuff (Kraftwerk, Orbital, etc) They might have the new album, or the Brown album, but no singles or anything! I hate taking the train all over the city just to find out they don't have what I want. It's such a pain in the ass. Jeez, if the internet didn't exist, many of the artists WE listen to wouldn't be as popular as they are today, especially in the US, where we can't just go to a club to see them! "Now that's some strange way of thinking! >:-) Let's compare this with Microsoft... How many people would choose an alternative if they could? 80%? 95%? >:-) You can't IGNORE the record industry when you want your music to spread, just like you can't ignore Windows when you make a good product and want that to spread!" Yep, just as I was talking about before with the software development. You can't ignore Microsoft. So what do you think about Cisco's operating system that is going to be more net based? Do you think that will eclipse Microsoft's? "You missed my point there... That part does hardly make any sense to me, what are you trying to say? Maybe Angelfire wasn't all that wrong with his interpretation! >;-D" Yeah, Angelfire was half joking (i hope! hehehe) about what he said about you and your CDs, and damn it was funny (laughed hard to that one), but jeez, this gets to the rare = good belief that people have. I mean, come on, just because you buy from local places/mail order and independents doesn't make you holier than thou. This sort of reminds me of these kids that buy rare shit just because it's rare, and then when it gets big and popular, they're the first ones to say "Oh, I had that a long time ago. They suck now." Ya know? I know people that have done this with Orbital of all bands. Just because they're "big" now, they're not good? Fuck that. "Maybe I'm not legally ALLOWED to, but i CAN if i want to without "stealing" anything from anyone! And that's my point! It only depends on my personal ethos if i choose to buy it!.. And i still buy the CDs i like (but ONLY these!) and i always get the company i work at to buy the software that i've found to be great at home, which is EXACTLY what the software companies know, that's why they're not fighting software "piracy" as much as they could! Pirate software has made ANY system widely popular: the c64, the Amiga, the PC and the Playstation!.. If you don't see the advertising potential the warez-scene has for the software companies then you must be blind! 8)" Preach on Brutha!! yeah! Definitely agree with this, couldn't have put it better myself. "No, it means the artist is not great enough to make me give his record company 95% of the 35DM ($18) that i'd pay for a CD here!" Isn't it more like 1.93DM to the $US now? ;-) Oh yeah, I'm a dumbass, and I missed out on the whole c64 thing. Deekay, tell me more about this pleez :-) Hasta luego mis amigos, Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: Re: (orbital) BOOTLEG! Date: 26 Mar 2000 13:47:31 BST >Anyway, thanks Trym for upping the show. Where's "Spare Parts Express?" >:-))) Don't thank me, thank Denmark Radio for broadcasting the show in the first place. I was just there in time to ... eh, rip it. ;) Anyway, five more songs coming soon. I think you've still not got The Box, Spare Parts Express, Style, Satan and I Don't Know You People. Can't remember, something went wrong with my file transfers yesterday and I deleted the files a bit too early off my LS120. So, I've got to get them again at home. Maybe by mid-week they'll be up. Trym Trym Asserson - 'Apollo' - apollo_project@hotmail.com Biosphere Zine : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceetba/apollo/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: Re: (orbital) hmmm. Halycon Live (bugs noticed, yep!) Date: 26 Mar 2000 13:54:45 BST >Hey Trym, > >There are some parts in the Live Halcyon that you uploaded that are messed >up. There are some pops, and it actually speeds up in some places and >sounds >all fucked up for a couple seconds. Is anyone else encountering this? It's >an awesome awesome version otherwise. Better than the Live in NYC version! > >Just thought I'd let you know. Give it a looksee Yeah, have noticed that too. And as Mike H. said, it's also there in I Don't Know You People. I'll encode them again for you and upload them with the others I'm missing. Also, mistake in the last mail. Said I was missing I Don't Know You People, but as you probably all realise it's Know Where To Run. Trym ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) the ever-ongoing mp3-discussion.. Date: 26 Mar 2000 19:01:56 +0000 deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: > > Don't get me wrong, the last thing i want is ripping the artists > off... they might go through a hard time now with the current > structures established, but if you get a foul tooth removed, it also > hurts, but it's better for you afterwards! > I would be happy to pay $5 for an album and download it straight from > the artist's server, including booklet and all that!... IF THAT WHOLE > $5 GOES TO THE ARTIST!.. Let's see... that is exactly TEN times as > much as he'd make of that $10 deal that Rob mentioned!.. > okay, subtract some studio costs and web-traffic and he'll still get > a multiple of what he'd usually get!.. We aren't talking about paying $5 to the artist and getting the MP3s for it. We're talking about paying $0 to the artist and getting the MP3s for it. Like I said, I've fine with a few songs from the albums and B-sides (which are a rip-off on CD) on MP3, but stealing the entire CD on MP3 and --NOT PAYING THE ARTIST FOR ANYTHING-- is wrong! > I'm watching this whole thing laughing my ass off with the RIIA and > it's villains running around like headless chicken trying to > re-invent the internet while they themselves said exactly 1 year > ago that mp3 is "just a trend for a few freaks and will soon vanish!" > mp3 is here to stay, and i dunno how the situation will develop, but > the only thing i somehow know is that the outcome will be good! 8) > And that'll be the first REAL liberation the internet has brought us > then, Linux will be the second (or the other way around, doesn't > matter! 8) Heh. Amen, brother DK! > Remember: The Artists hate the record industry, and so do we... > Why on earth should we support them in ANY way at all?? > > The only thing I'm buying is Orbital, and that's just because i have > to, with the old rotten structures still established!.. What does FFRR do with the profits? Is it the same 95%? > And yeah: Fuck the shitheads that sell mp3s, have klickbanner sites > running or are selling copied CDRs! These should go to hell aswell! Fuck the shitheads that give entire albums for free. > Maybe mainstream will go away!.. Maybe there'll be a MULTITUDE of > bands suddenly and nobody knows anymore who's hip and trendy... but > is that really bad??? 8) Couldn't we all do SOOO fucking well without > all these artificial shit-bands, boy-, girl- and hermaphroditegroups > and this shit? >:-) *LOL* You're fucking nutz! Do you realize that the trend of popular techno is bad house and euro? Just look at popular bands like Eiffel 65. The music sucks major league shit and the teen-boppers are digging it! Ugh! It totally goes against the principles of techno: creativity and complexity in sound and composition. > Sorry, but i have to go a little offtopiv now: I always laugh my ass > off if i see figures from the SPA (Software Piracy Association) that > say: "We lost $30 Gazillion last year due to pirated software" - > totally neglecting the fact that only a tiny fraction of the people > would've actually BOUGHT the stuff if they had to, either because > it's not worth buying it anyway or they simply wouldn't have the > dough! Yeah, and MS is charging $500 for Office. Basic tools like a word processor and spreadsheet combo are $500. Wee! My operating environment is totally free: Linux (OS), X (GUI), Enlightenment (window manager), The GIMP (great photo program), Netscape (browser), NEdit (excellent text editor), StarOffice (Office for $0), Grip (CD player/ripper), XMMS (WinAMP for X without the shareware crap), LICQ (better than ICQ), GNapster (Napster for X), WebDownloader (GetRight for X and $0). > btw: There's no such thing as software piracy as pirates robbed > (=took things AWAY!) and murdered people! That's all just propaganda > BS! Have you ever heard of a software vendor (that made > some great products!) that went out of business cause of software > piracy?? I know i haven't!.. If someone produces good stuff, people > are willing to pay for it!.. And if Hash Animator Pro can do a > pretty large part of the things that Max, Softimage, Maya, Cinema and > Lightwave can do and only costs a tiny fraction of it, i will buy > it!.. (Strange... There's no such thing as large differences in price > in the music business!... I wonder why? >:-) Software vendors make money from companies. Companies are willing to pay millions of dollars for one product on thousands of computers. Sad, isn't it? The software can be copied better than a Xerox, but it's illegal because of capitalism. At least games are at a reasonable price. "Software piracy leads to rising costs for software distribution and thus to a higher price for honest customers. Rising costs for software distribution leads to software piracy and thus to a lower income for greedy developers." -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: Re: (orbital) the ever-ongoing mp3-discussion.. Date: 26 Mar 2000 20:31:21 +0100 At 19:01 26/03/00 +0000, Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: >Do you realize that the trend of popular >techno is bad house and euro? Just look at popular bands like Eiffel >65. The music sucks major league shit and the teen-boppers are digging >it! Ugh! It totally goes against the principles of techno: creativity >and complexity in sound and composition. I still cling to the hope that it'll just open up some people to electronic music, and some of them will look further and realise there's more to it than the chart shite. I'm sure there are people on this list whose first experience of electronic was something pretty lame, but they liked it and have moved on to the good stuff now. we can't really hope for decent electronic music to storm the mainstream, except in isolated cases, just as we can't hope for the best of any style of music (probably any artform altogether) to take over the mainstream. I've managed to steer pretty clear of the chart for a good while now, it's not all that difficult. Jon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Henderson" Subject: Re: (orbital) hmmm. Halycon Live (bugs noticed, yep!) Date: 26 Mar 2000 13:52:07 -0700 Thanks for the art DeeKay -- and thanks to Trym for putting up with all of this just to get us unwashed masses the tracks. I'd thank Denmark Radio, too, if not for the occasional belches of their call tag (as cool as the bits sound in and of themselves... :) in the music... oh wait, if not for the belches, then no music, so I guess I'll take it and shut up. Now, shall we start uploading all our live shows to Marc's server...? :-P Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: Re: (orbital) hmmm. Halycon Live (bugs noticed, yep!) Date: 26 Mar 2000 16:55:15 -0500 1- Hi Mike! I don't really think I've seen you before, looks like you're a colleague/friend of Trym's, nice to have you join or de-lurk. 2- Sure, give me all your live shows! Ha ha ha!! And now I have 2GB free! Exxxxcelent... And then listen to my radio shows! I'm on every Sunday, 8-10pm. Go to wpi.edu/~radio and there are links to get the streaming broadcast. I'll also be on AIM, screen name WWPI DJ, so you can IM me with requests, or just to chat. And pretty much everything I'll be playing is on my server. If not, just ask me to put it up or whatever. Oh, I uploaded the Xpander EP, so you guys can check that out. I really urge you to use the mp3s to test it though, and then buy the EP if you like. This is not something that's hard to get. -Marc Sawaya Mike Henderson wrote: > Now, shall we start uploading all our live shows to Marc's server...? :-P # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) the ever-ongoing mp3-discussion.. Date: 27 Mar 2000 00:04:17 +0000 Brendan wrote: > > Don't get me wrong, the last thing i want is ripping the artists > > off... they might go through a hard time now with the current > > structures established, but if you get a foul tooth removed, it also > > hurts, but it's better for you afterwards! > > I would be happy to pay $5 for an album and download it straight from > > the artist's server, including booklet and all that!... IF THAT WHOLE > > $5 GOES TO THE ARTIST!.. Let's see... that is exactly TEN times as > > much as he'd make of that $10 deal that Rob mentioned!.. > > okay, subtract some studio costs and web-traffic and he'll still get > > a multiple of what he'd usually get!.. > > We aren't talking about paying $5 to the artist and getting the MP3s for > it. We're talking about paying $0 to the artist and getting the MP3s > for it. Like I said, I've fine with a few songs from the albums and > B-sides (which are a rip-off on CD) on MP3, but stealing the entire CD > on MP3 and --NOT PAYING THE ARTIST FOR ANYTHING-- is wrong! > ..and i was talking about the FUTURE prospect of digital distribution! >:-) Remember the foul tooth? > > And that'll be the first REAL liberation the internet has brought us > > then, Linux will be the second (or the other way around, doesn't > > matter! 8) > > Heh. Amen, brother DK! > 8)))) > > Remember: The Artists hate the record industry, and so do we... > > Why on earth should we support them in ANY way at all?? > > > > The only thing I'm buying is Orbital, and that's just because i have > > to, with the old rotten structures still established!.. > > What does FFRR do with the profits? Is it the same 95%? > That's still unknown... That question remained unanswered after the last time we had this discussion! ;-D Let's PRAY (for FFRR! >:-) it's a hell lot more than these 5%! > > And yeah: Fuck the shitheads that sell mp3s, have klickbanner sites > > running or are selling copied CDRs! These should go to hell aswell! > > Fuck the shitheads that give entire albums for free. > Huh? What's the difference in downloading single songs and full albums? Where's the line? Downloading 10 songs of a 12-track album is right and when you touch the magical number 12 it's not right anymore all of a sudden? And: It hurts the artist just as much if you don't buy their EPs to get the B-sides as it does when you're downloading their album, so gimme a break! >:-) > > Maybe mainstream will go away!.. Maybe there'll be a MULTITUDE of > > bands suddenly and nobody knows anymore who's hip and trendy... but > > is that really bad??? 8) Couldn't we all do SOOO fucking well without > > all these artificial shit-bands, boy-, girl- and hermaphroditegroups > > and this shit? >:-) > > *LOL* You're fucking nutz! Do you realize that the trend of popular > techno is bad house and euro? Just look at popular bands like Eiffel > 65. The music sucks major league shit and the teen-boppers are digging > it! Ugh! It totally goes against the principles of techno: creativity > and complexity in sound and composition. > and? The teen-boppers are puppets the record industry plays with!.. You bet they DEFINATELY won't die when they're not served with ready-made artificial consumer music anymore, just as much as someone only eating microwave-food will DEFINATELY not die when he eats homegrown & homecooked meals! ..or meals from foreign countries he never heard about, if you wanna see it that way! 8) > > it's not worth buying it anyway or they simply wouldn't have the > > dough! > > Yeah, and MS is charging $500 for Office. Basic tools like a word > processor and spreadsheet combo are $500. Wee! My operating > environment is totally free: Linux (OS), X (GUI), Enlightenment (window > manager), The GIMP (great photo program), Netscape (browser), NEdit > (excellent text editor), StarOffice (Office for $0), Grip (CD > player/ripper), XMMS (WinAMP for X without the shareware crap), LICQ > (better than ICQ), GNapster (Napster for X), WebDownloader (GetRight for > X and $0). > Nice setup! ;-D Be my rolemodel in Linux, hehe! 8) I'm serious! Users in my direct vicinity are too few to really check out what programs are useable and cool! 8) DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: Re: (orbital) hmmm. Halycon Live (bugs noticed, yep!) Date: 26 Mar 2000 17:07:27 -0500 I babbled idiotically: > 1- Hi Mike! I don't really think I've seen you before, looks like you're a > colleague/friend of Trym's, nice to have you join or de-lurk. Well, I probably couldn't have been more wrong, huh? Nevermind. You've been on the list for a while too, right? Marc # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) Radio-experience Date: 27 Mar 2000 00:10:24 +0000 I was driving home from work on friday, wondering about Orbital matters (hehe, what else! 8) and had the radio just play along when suddenly i realized that the Nothing Left Breeder Remix was actually playing on the radio and i almost wet myself! 8) I mean - this is a lame local radio station that ONLY plays shitty chart-, 80s- and rock all day long normally! 8) And, like mentioned before, Orbital is not played on german Radio stations AT ALL normally! 8) A fuckin weird experience, just thought I'd tell you!.. DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) the ever-ongoing mp3-discussion.. Date: 26 Mar 2000 22:48:57 +0000 deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: > > ..and i was talking about the FUTURE prospect of digital > distribution! >:-) > Remember the foul tooth? You do have a good argument, but I'd like to support the artist that makes the music I like. MP3 is too copyable to have a real way of support the artist (besides the way it works now with previewing the CD before you buy it), and I don't like the idea of un-copyable MP3 formats. Perhaps a system where music is free, but you support the musicians through concerts. Make concerts more popular and numerous (and debunk Ticketmaster the same way we are debunking RIAA). When I think about it, I'd be willing to just mail them $5 whenever I copy a entire CD onto MP3, but I really like the pretty artwork and info on the disc about the artists and such. I wish there was a way to keep that sort of thing. > That's still unknown... That question remained unanswered after the > last time we had this discussion! ;-D > Let's PRAY (for FFRR! >:-) it's a hell lot more than these 5%! Does Steve have any info? (I hate saying that, as he's not P&P best friend who can ask anything he wants, but he's the only connection we've got.) > Huh? What's the difference in downloading single songs and full > albums? Where's the line? Downloading 10 songs of a 12-track album is > right and when you touch the magical number 12 it's not right anymore > all of a sudden? It's just a matter of supporting the artist. Don't follow the letter of what I said; follow the spirit. > And: It hurts the artist just as much if you don't > buy their EPs to get the B-sides as it does when you're downloading > their album, so gimme a break! >:-) Charging $10 for 10-20 minutes of music is too much, when I could pay $15 for 60-70 minutes of music. I support my artist through the main CDs. > and? The teen-boppers are puppets the record industry plays with!.. > You bet they DEFINATELY won't die when they're not served with > ready-made artificial consumer music anymore, just as much as someone > only eating microwave-food will DEFINATELY not die when he eats > homegrown & homecooked meals! ..or meals from foreign countries he > never heard about, if you wanna see it that way! 8) There's a difference. As soon as you introduce music that deviates from the mainstream, the "mainstream auditance" has a difference of opinion. Plus, most mainstream listeners only like simple tunes like they listen to. (Then again, I've turned my sister on to bands like Delerium, Hooverphonic, and the like.) > Nice setup! ;-D Be my rolemodel in Linux, hehe! 8) I'm serious! Users > in my direct vicinity are too few to really check out what programs > are useable and cool! 8) *LOL* No problem. Lemme know if you have any Linux problems/questions. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Henderson" Subject: Re: (orbital) hmmm. Halycon Live (bugs noticed, yep!) Date: 26 Mar 2000 17:00:40 -0700 > 1- Hi Mike! I don't really think I've seen you before, looks like you're a > colleague/friend of Trym's, nice to have you join or de-lurk. Nah, just a leech that's been bugging Trym for a few days and DeeKay for a while longer... I have uploaded stuff to your server, on occasion (a little oakenfold, etc), so I'm not a complete leech, just more of a bacteria that sometimes feeds on my host... > 2- Sure, give me all your live shows! Ha ha ha!! And now I have 2GB free! > Exxxxcelent... And then listen to my radio shows! I'm on every Sunday, > 8-10pm. Go to wpi.edu/~radio and there are links to get the streaming > broadcast. I'll also be on AIM, screen name WWPI DJ, so you can IM me with > requests, or just to chat. And pretty much everything I'll be playing is on my > server. If not, just ask me to put it up or whatever. Oh, I uploaded the > Xpander EP, so you guys can check that out. I really urge you to use the mp3s > to test it though, and then buy the EP if you like. This is not something > that's hard to get. Yeah, the XPander EP isn't too shabby and is worth a listen. Anyway, I'd be happy to start upping some Orbital live stuff. Any other takers (whoops, I mean GIVERS) :) Speaking of which-- Hey DeeKay, would you be interested in making some art for that '96 New Orleans show for me? *wink*wink*nudge*nudge* In general, I'm a fence-sitter about MP3. Like someone else mentioned, mp3's cause me to buy MANY CDs each month because of stuff I hear in MP3. I also rely on it for live shows and OOP rarities, which without, I'd never hear some material ever... and I just can't stand not hearing EVERYTHING. Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Autumn Acid Date: 26 Mar 2000 19:39:54 -0500 FYI: Someone uploaded a track called Autumn Acid, supposedly an Aphex Twin remix of an Autechre song, but it's really a song by u-ziq, and I don't believe it's a remix either. It's on Royal Astronomy (great album). -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Funkenstein" Subject: Re: (orbital) MP3s/Software Date: 26 Mar 2000 20:17:34 -0800 >company has a really excellent product, they can't ignore the fact that it >pretty much HAS TO work with Windows. Of course, there are Linux Not nessesarily...it depends on the type of application and who it's target audience is... >with Windows. This makes me quite sad actually, seeing as though Windows is >so fuckin ridiculously unstable. I hate that shit. I work on I wouldn't say stability is the problem anymore. NT and 2000 will stay up for as long or longer than a lot of UNIXes tend to. The servers at the place I work at haven't been rebooted in...well lets just say a long time. I almost never have to reboot my 2000 (formerly NT Server 4) box at home. Unless you're talking about 95 or god forbid 98 (one of the worst pieces of junk I've ever seen...95 was better and more stable) windows' stability is pretty comparable to other OSes. Now if you want to talk about Windows being a bloated, resource hogging, overpiced and insecure OS...that's still very true of NT and 2K. >on the market. Windows sucks shit. But hey, they got the marketing behind >them to drive that shit right up in our faces, and pretty much decide for us >what OS we need. Linux is free, and it's so stable. I'm in love with it. >However, I'm forced to use Windows to do other applications. *sucks* I agree that Windows is pretty much the OS you have no choice but to use because of marketing and it's popularity. However, Windows also has a GUI that is FAR ahead of anything available for LINUX. I can configure a Windows box 100% graphically...the same cannot be said of LINUX (any version running any GUI you want). While the LINUX GUI's are _very_ cool and WAY more configurable than windows (I prefer Gnome/Enlightenment myself) they are not even close in terms of stability and allowing you to do EVERYTHING you need to do on a computer. They are getting there...but the average user cannot successfully install and configure a LINUX box. >Now, as for applications like MS-Office, please go to www.sun.com and >download StarOffice. It's the best piece of software of the year as far as StarOffice is pretty sweet...the kind of product that will encourage more people to run LINUX. >there are a few local shops here in Boston, but they don't carry the good >stuff (Kraftwerk, Orbital, etc) They might have the new album, or the Brown >album, but no singles or anything! I hate taking the train all over the city Whaaaat? In boston? Try HMV, or Newbury Comics in Harvard Sq. or Tower on Newbury st. in Boston...I find stuff there that my friends from all over the country can't find. >Yep, just as I was talking about before with the software development. You >can't ignore Microsoft. So what do you think about Cisco's operating system >that is going to be more net based? Do you think that will eclipse >Microsoft's? Considering the fact that there is a strong possiblity that Microsoft is going to be broken up by the anti-trust fiasco...I wouldn't count anyone out! Someone needs to develop a good, stable GUI for LINUX that allows you to install and configure it without ever using the terminal...Redhat running Gnome/Enlightenment is STARTING to get there...but still has a long way to go. There's some project that just started recently whose goal is to do that but I can't remember the name offhand. funkenstein@mail.rit.edu - http://www.rit.edu/~dco2393 It's wild how you never know where your life could go So many try to slow your roll in these trails of life -Mystik Journeymen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kenneth Holdorf" Subject: RE: (orbital) the ever-ongoing mp3-discussion.. Date: 26 Mar 2000 23:22:06 +0200 > I'm sure there are people on this list whose first > experience of electronic was something pretty lame, but they liked it and > have moved on to the good stuff now. Oh God yes... I started out with Prodigy and Chemical Brothers... I remember thinking Orbital sucked, wishing all their tracks would sound like P.E.T.R.O.L... not that P.E.T.R.O.L. is a bad track, far from it.. I just wanted it hard :) Hex # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kenneth Holdorf" Subject: RE: (orbital) hmmm. Halycon Live (bugs noticed, yep!) Date: 26 Mar 2000 23:20:54 +0200 > I'd thank Denmark Radio, too, if not for the occasional belches of their > call tag Actually, the call tags are from Norwegian radio. It was probably broadcast in the program called Roxrevyen on NRK Petre (that's what the voice says). Not that this is interesting at all, but still :) Hex # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Digger Subject: (orbital) OT: Compilation Date: 26 Mar 2000 23:22:20 -0600 Hey guys! Has anyone ever heard of a compilation called "Legally Stoned" ??? I was at a concert over the weekend and between the opening act and the real act they were playing it as filler music. When I asked the sound tech. what it was he said "I think it's called 'Legally Stoned.'" I was just curious if such a compilation existed, and if anyone had it, and/or enjoyed it. Feedback it GREAT! Thanks! Thanks, Digger Digger@Jorsm.Com "And Now I'm Aching For You...But there's much to do 'cause there's NOTHING LEFT" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) the ever-ongoing mp3-discussion.. Date: 27 Mar 2000 07:25:15 +0000 Jon Green wrote: > > I'm sure there are people on this list whose first experience of electronic > was something pretty lame, but they liked it and have moved on to the good > stuff now. Oh, I dunno. I was first introduced to electronic music a long time ago with the demo scenes on the Atari ST and PC. Then I collected MOD/S3M/XM/ITs. But, anyway, my first sign of electronica music in "real life" (if you will) was the Lost in Space soundtrack and Chem Bros. Mainstream, maybe, but still good shit. I didn't get into Orbital until a bit later, when I started frantically looking for other CDs to buy. (It's a wonderful feeling when you've found your niche. But, also rather expensive: I had a 5 CD/week habit.) -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: RE: (orbital) hmmm. Halycon Live (bugs noticed, yep!) Date: 27 Mar 2000 08:32:31 BST >From: Mike Henderson > > I'd thank Denmark Radio, too, if not for the occasional belches of their > > call tag > >Actually, the call tags are from Norwegian radio. It was probably broadcast >in the program called Roxrevyen on NRK Petre (that's what the voice says). > >Not that this is interesting at all, but still :) Yeah, they're from NRK Petre all right. Broadcast live on the Sunday evening show Roxrevyen Concert, where they broadcast two or more live shows every sunday. Pretty much a brilliant show, apart from the call tags of course. Be glad I didn't include the broadcaster's voice, the extra track after Chime where he says which songs were played. He must have been tripping to have heard Nothing Left, but not Spare Parts Express. And he completely mixed up the tracklisting for cd two. Oh well, just me being argumentative, I guess. Trym Trym Asserson - 'Apollo' - apollo_project@hotmail.com Biosphere Zine : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceetba/apollo/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) Research da music! Date: 27 Mar 2000 08:45:51 +0000 My music list is slowly growing and my needs research list isn't getting too much research any more. I've been running a bunch of bands and albums through GNapster, but I'm having a very low hit rate. I have a few questions. Does anybody have any info on the bands/albums below? Any MP3s? Where's a good place to buy imports? Here's what my current list looks like. Get: Orb - Blue Room (single) NIN (newest) Republica - Speed Ballads Type O Negative (newest) Chemical Reactions Squarepusher - Selection Sixteen Squarepusher - Budakhan Mindphone Lamb (various singles) John Digweed - Bedrock Apollo 440 - Gettin' High on Your Own Supply Reflector - Wings, Water, and Light Beck - Midnite Vultures Hackers 3 Hybrid - Wide Angle The Wiseguys Groove Armada - Vertigo Cygnus (anything) Get on Import: Total Eclipse - Delta Aquarids PWEI - Dos Dedos Mis Amigos Republica - From Rush Hour With Love (single) Apollo 440 - Millennium Fever u-Ziq - Tango N Vectif Boom Boom Satellites - On The Painted Desert EP (single) Boom Boom Satellites - 7 Ignitions/Auto Rebirth (single) Ozric Tentacles - Become the Other u-Ziq - In Pine Effect Out of Print: Ozric Tentacles - Arborescence Need Research: Air - Virgin Suicides Tori Amos - To Venus And Back Plug Monkey Mafia Frontside Single Gun Theory Goldie Kodo David Grey Pilgrams of the Mind Rob D Hive Ganja Kru Saint (mixer for Joydrop) Lost Tribe Black Dog Too New to Research: The Light Neve Junior Blanks Wax Assassins Girl Eats Boy No Music to Research: Space Time Continuum (look at Emit Ecaps) Atlantique Deadsy Shut Up & Dance Global Silent Poets Earl Brutus Can't Find: Microchip Leaks Tsunami One Elite Force Ils & Solo Outer Bongolia Orlando Doof Mad Stof Youth Amanda Ghost Posh Peck Slip Balligomingo Head Lamp T-La Rock -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Joona_P=F6yh=F6nen?= Subject: (orbital) cd-cataloger for windows Date: 27 Mar 2000 15:43:31 +0300 Does anyone know any good cd-catalogers for windows??? My cd-collection could really use one...so mail me for any info! thanks -joona # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Encoders Date: 27 Mar 2000 14:28:49 EST Hello there, Does anyone have a decent MP3 encoder that is not made by Xing? I've been trying to find one now for quite some time, and I'm tired of using my shitty old Audiocatalyst, which has errors all the time. Thanks in advance, Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arfie Mansfield" Subject: Re: (orbital) Research da music! Date: 27 Mar 2000 20:53:03 +0000 >No Music to Research: > Space Time Continuum (look at Emit Ecaps) They've got a track on the Pi soundtrack. > Shut Up & Dance They've got a track on Y3K (Distinct'ive (Breaks)). =-=Arfie=-= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "benjib" Subject: (orbital) bunnies???? Date: 27 Mar 2000 21:10:45 +0100 or rarebits????? anybody got the two cdrs at the bottom of http://www.unitarypr.freeserve.co.uk/odother.htm the progress and the visit? two orbital albums(?) that ive never come across any info? cheers benjib www.benjib.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arfie Mansfield" Subject: Re: (orbital) bunnies???? Date: 27 Mar 2000 21:32:10 +0000 >anybody got the two cdrs at the bottom of >http://www.unitarypr.freeserve.co.uk/odother.htm >the progress and the visit? Never seen them, myself, but I always assumed the Visit was the soundtrack to The Visit. =-=Arfie=-= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Belbin Subject: (orbital) capitalist labels etc Date: 28 Mar 2000 00:40:05 +0100 Listening to Steve Lamacq tonight someone or other made an interesting comment that one of the big reasons for labels being really big on dance music & dj's in recent years is that you dont need to pay as large advances to one bloke sitting in his bedroom, than you do to five blokes & their transit van. Obviously doesnt apply to everyone, but would seem to fit with the way they work (thinking particularly of the way retro rock got so heavily promoted, just at the same time as loads of 60's/70's albums were being released on cd for the first time. just a thought. and another one Lord Upminster lives! Rich THIS WEEKS STAR TURNS Beck mixed bizness eels mr e's beautiful blues Black Sabbath sabbath bloody sabbath # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) MP3s/Software Date: 28 Mar 2000 03:35:27 +0000 > I wouldn't say stability is the problem anymore. NT and 2000 will stay up > for as long or longer than a lot of UNIXes tend to. The servers at the > place I work at haven't been rebooted in...well lets just say a long time. > I almost never have to reboot my 2000 (formerly NT Server 4) box at home. > Unless you're talking about 95 or god forbid 98 (one of the worst pieces of > junk I've ever seen...95 was better and more stable) windows' stability is > pretty comparable to other OSes. Now if you want to talk about Windows > being a bloated, resource hogging, overpiced and insecure OS...that's still > very true of NT and 2K. > Well, that's how experiences differ! <:-) I myself have yet to see one single stable NT installation!.. ALL the ones i've seen sofar still crashed with a nice fucking BSOD (the well-established term BSOD doesn't come from nowhere, right? 8) more or less regularly (varying from 3 times a week on my NT-box at work (set up by an MSCE VERY carefully!) to once every 3 weeks (but with daily shutdown at the end of the day! no 24/7 setup!) or atleast needed a reboot cause memory protection is not all that perfect and some task interfered with the kernel somehow. It depends alot on the hardware from what i noticed, even total standard hardware (SB live, ELSA Erazor) can cause a very instable NT (like the one i had at work!), so NT seems to run only well on a very small group of components, not quite what M$ claims it to be! And NT runs best (compared to normal use!) when left alone as a server, that's for sure, but especially there Linux can kick its ass anytime in uptime! Whar would you need a fancy GUI for in a server anyway? ;-D > Considering the fact that there is a strong possiblity that Microsoft is > going to be broken up by the anti-trust fiasco...I wouldn't count anyone > out! Someone needs to develop a good, stable GUI for LINUX that allows you > to install and configure it without ever using the terminal...Redhat > running Gnome/Enlightenment is STARTING to get there...but still has a long > way to go. There's some project that just started recently whose goal is > to do that but I can't remember the name offhand. EASYLinux? Anyway, i just thought i'd mention this: On this year's CeBit, the Linux-distributors competed who had the easiest installation!.. The best one required you to put a CD into ANY assembled computer (other OS installed or not, didn't matter!), switch it on, answer THREE questions and 15 minutes later you had Linux installed and pre-configured without moving just a finger! 8) Now, i have yet to see *any* windows that installs as easily as that! ;-D If we're talking about customizing Linux, for a firewall or a server, then you're right, you might be able to have *something* like that running on NT more quickly using the GUI, but let's face it, NT firewalls COST money and they're pretty much shit and uncustomizable compared to Linux/BSD, afterall Microsoft's own Hotmail has a FreeBSD firewall running infront of a Solaris setup.. they tried to change hotmail to NT when they bought it, but it was a total disaster as NT simply couldn't handle all the traffic so they switched back to Solaris/BSD the next day! 8) And we're talking about Micro$oft themselves here, my friends! ;-D Did they finally make it with Win2k then?? I have yet to find that out, but i doubt it since win2k is "based on NT-technology" like it tells you on every boot! >:-) DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aimee couture Subject: Re: (orbital) MP3s/Software Date: 27 Mar 2000 20:59:45 -0500 ok while we're on the topic of linux and things.. why does nobody believe that a 17 year old girl can know how to use linux? my compsci ta heard that i run debian.. and he was like "no way, that's impressive?" so i go "why, cuz i'm a girl?" then i was at my boss' office, and he was mentioning adam needed somebody to do some traceroutes from a linux box.. so i went down to see adam.. he calls ed at its.. saying he has a volunteer.. and he has to go "no.. it's a she." jesus people =[ i'm a geek and proud. > > Considering the fact that there is a strong possiblity that Microsoft is > > going to be broken up by the anti-trust fiasco...I wouldn't count anyone > > out! Someone needs to develop a good, stable GUI for LINUX that allows you > > to install and configure it without ever using the terminal...Redhat > > running Gnome/Enlightenment is STARTING to get there...but still has a long > > way to go. There's some project that just started recently whose goal is > > to do that but I can't remember the name offhand. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JL Jones" Subject: (orbital) Re: os'es and Software - was mp3's Date: 27 Mar 2000 00:49:25 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 11:17 PM > > >with Windows. This makes me quite sad actually, seeing as though Windows is > >so fuckin ridiculously unstable. I hate that shit. I work on > > I wouldn't say stability is the problem anymore. NT and 2000 will stay up > for as long or longer than a lot of UNIXes tend to. The servers at the > place I work at haven't been rebooted in...well lets just say a long time. > I almost never have to reboot my 2000 (formerly NT Server 4) box at home. > Unless you're talking about 95 or god forbid 98 (one of the worst pieces of > junk I've ever seen...95 was better and more stable) windows' stability is > pretty comparable to other OSes. Now if you want to talk about Windows > being a bloated, resource hogging, overpiced and insecure OS...that's still > very true of NT and 2K. > Just wish NT had better performance audio-wise. (i.e. direct X7, and no thankyou to Win2k) Its quite stable. have had an NT server to take care of at work for a year now and in that time it hasnt crashed. I've had to take it down 3 times total (once was a power failure in the building and the other 2 were because of a goofy software license manager for some software we have on the system). I also administer an IBM AIX system and quite frankly in 6 1/2 years of running the system its only crashed twice. so when I read about how "everyone" is cumming in their pants over Linux all i can say is, well ok (ps for configurability -- Caldera OpenLinux 2.3... friggen $20 bucks for the full package and is VERY easy to install) anyways, Jim J. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christopher Park" Subject: RE: (orbital) MP3s/Software Date: 27 Mar 2000 23:31:52 -0500 I noticed this thread has become a Linux vs Winblows thread (You can probably guess my affiliation), but on the topic of MP3 software, does any one know a good site providing info on writing an MP3 encoding/decoding program. I'm ading a linux box to my stereo to be a MP3 jukebox, and I'm wanting to design the interface to work with a touch screen monitor, plus be easy to use, The front end part I've got down, its the back end part I'm having a time with. I would really like to write a high quality encoder/decoder so that I can make the best use out of my hardware. I've never written an audio based program before and I was wondering if any one has written a good tutorial/book/web page about audio programming. Thanks and Long Live Open Source!!!! Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aronne Merrelli" Subject: (orbital) Re: Encoders Date: 27 Mar 2000 22:23:17 PST >Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:28:49 EST >From: "Robert Schultz" >Subject: (orbital) Encoders > >Hello there, > >Does anyone have a decent MP3 encoder that is not made by Xing? I've been >trying to find one now for quite some time, and I'm tired of using my >shitty >old Audiocatalyst, which has errors all the time. > >Thanks in advance, >Rob check out www.maz-sound.com, they have several you can try out that aren't Xing. Later, Aronne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aronne Merrelli" Subject: (orbital) Re: research Date: 27 Mar 2000 23:32:24 PST >Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:45:51 +0000 >From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper >Subject: (orbital) Research da music! > >My music list is slowly growing and my needs research list isn't getting >too much research any more. I've been running a bunch of bands and >albums through GNapster, but I'm having a very low hit rate. I have a >few questions. Does anybody have any info on the bands/albums below? >Any MP3s? Where's a good place to buy imports? Shops I've used : www.xmission.com/~ear skimomusic@home.com (he sends out weekly lists via e-mail. has no website yet.) www.action-records.co.uk other shops with good selections, but have no ordering experience with: www.bentcrayon.com www.riouxs.com www.juno.co.uk www.fe.org www.smallfish.co.uk www.gemm.com (big collection of shops.) www.psylux.com/VMM (not a shop, but a list of shops. hasn't been updated lately, however.) (snipped all the stuff I don't know about...) > Squarepusher - Selection Sixteen This is Ok, I find it frustrating because all the songs are really short and feel like little jam sessions or wanderings and not entire songs. And it just doesn't seem as fresh as his other stuff. He even uses the 'stopped clock' sample on this CD. (yes, the famous orbital sample.) Sounds similar to pre-"Rotted" squarepusher. > Squarepusher - Budakhan Mindphone I think this had a couple good songs, a couple Ok, a couple mostly useless. I think one of the good songs was "Iambic 5 Poetry" which is a really nice mellow song (no dnb in that one at all). IMO probably worth picking up for that track (its an EP so its cheaper anyway! :-) ) > Plug I think 'Drum and Bass for Papa" is one of the best DnB albums ever. He seems to have a lot of breaks that no one else has... Very original stuff, which is sometimes hard to find in this genre. Jazzy feel to it as well. > Goldie I don't think he has done anything of note since the "Timeless" album (well, he was in the last Bond movie). If you don't have "Timeless", and you like DnB, you should get it. One of the classic DnB albums. > Black Dog This is the 2 guys in Plaid + one more guy. I know of 4 releases : Peel session, Spanners, Temple of Transparent Balls, Parallel. I think these are in order of release (Parallel is oldest), and are also in order of scarcity. Luckily, they are also in order of quality, (parallel being the least good) although I'm sure some will violently disagree with me! That being said, go get the peel sessions and "Spanners", those are both excellent and should be relatively easy to find. Spanners sounds much like the last two Plaid albums, but a little more primitive. > Ils & Solo I think this was one of the acts on a Logical Progression compilation - so I doubt that they have any tracks on any CDs other than those. Although I only can keep track of 2% of all the DnB that comes out so I'm likely wrong. Hope this helps, Aronne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson" Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: research Date: 28 Mar 2000 12:33:09 +0000 At 23:32 27.3.2000 -0800, Aronne Merrelli wrote: hiya aronne :) >> Black Dog >This is the 2 guys in Plaid + one more guy. >I know of 4 releases : Peel session, Spanners, Temple of >Transparent Balls, Parallel. I think these are in order >of release (Parallel is oldest), and are also in order of >scarcity. Luckily, they are also in order of quality, >(parallel being the least good) although I'm sure some >will violently disagree with me! That being said, go get >the peel sessions and "Spanners", those are both excellent >and should be relatively easy to find. Spanners sounds much >like the last two Plaid albums, but a little more primitive. actually, first it was known as Black Dog Productions, and they first released some ep's. then they released Bytes, which is, imho their very best release. a real must have :) after that, Parallel (which I don't have), Temple of Transparent Balls (which I don't have either), and I think around that time, they fell apart, I think Spanners is their last album together. after that, Black Dog released Adverto, a cd with about 46 short tunes, most of which bored me shitless, if I were to tell the truth. Get Bytes. it is really good :) Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://nemesis1.cjb.net w00p! :P # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: Re: (orbital) 3 things (update on bootleg, d'n'b, Norwegian label) Date: 28 Mar 2000 14:04:02 BST >Does anyone have a decent MP3 encoder that is not made by Xing? I've been >trying to find one now for quite some time, and I'm tired of using my >shitty >old Audiocatalyst, which has errors all the time. Why not use the XingEncoder? Seems to work fine for me and always give good quality unless you work in the background which causes glitches in the track. ****The Roskilde Bootleg**** BTW, fixed Halcyon and I Don't Know You People. Marc, can you delete the other two in the Roskilde folder so they can be overwritten and don't cause any confusion to people not knowing which are the tracks without glitches. Also, currently uploading 4 more tracks now. Style (bigpipe), Satan, Spare Parts Express and The Box. The remaining three, I Don't Know You People, Halcyon and Know Where To Run will come later. ****Drum'n'bass**** I've mostly been listening to Peshay, DJ Rap and Teebee & K until now, but I know now that I've been missing some very important, defining moments. Can anyone direct me to some monumental releases, artists, etc (apart from Goldie whose latest album I bought and sold within three months). If you come across an album by Polar and like drum'n'bass, check it out. It's called "37 Degrees and falling". Polar is Teebee's recording mate, K (Kjetil Dale Sagstad), who makes sci-fi d'n'b with intricate basslines and drum edits. Combined with Teebee's dark, hardstep, "black science" basslines, the result is very powerful. ****Norwegian electronica on American markets**** Beatservice, the label on which Teebee & K released their debut album "Black Science", has now gone to America in a contract with Groove Distribution in Chicago, so for you Americans who want to try out some Norwegian electronic music be it drum'n'bass or just that arctic ambient or the deep, chill house, follow the news from GD. So far two EP's have been released, Teebee & K album sampler and a Sternklang 4-track EP from his latest album, Neolounge, which goes through a string of genres (d'n'b, funk, beats and breaks). well, that's my 3 Norwegian inflation kroner, Trym Trym Asserson - 'Apollo' - apollo_project@hotmail.com Biosphere Zine : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceetba/apollo/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: research Date: 28 Mar 2000 14:39:46 BST >>My music list is slowly growing and my needs research list isn't getting >>too much research any more. I've been running a bunch of bands and >>albums through GNapster, but I'm having a very low hit rate. I have a >>few questions. Does anybody have any info on the bands/albums below? >>Any MP3s? Where's a good place to buy imports? > >Shops I've used : >www.xmission.com/~ear >skimomusic@home.com (he sends out weekly lists via e-mail. > has no website yet.) >www.action-records.co.uk Not to forget www.sisterray.co.uk (excellent service, extensive catalog) www.towereurope.com (vast catalog, so alot is not in stock, but they DO get back-orders in and I just got my Aedena Cycle "Traveller's Dream" on Apollo, that I thought I'd never get when they said it was out of stock. Trym ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: research Date: 28 Mar 2000 08:43:23 -0500 I have all of Bytes and a some of Spanners up. If you like 'em, buy 'em. My site has a bunch of not-so-noticeable stuff, so if you haven't looked through it thoroughly, it's worth a try. -Marc Sawaya Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson wrote: > then they released Bytes, which is, imho their very best release. a real > must have :) I think Spanners is their last album together. > Get Bytes. it is really good :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) mp3, censorship, record companies and replies Date: 28 Mar 2000 14:57:25 +0100 In response to the good old mp3 debate. Everyone has their own personal view, i respect this and i am sure that anyone with a ounce (or a henry ;) ) of human nature in them will do the same. I love the idea of try before you buy - mp3s extend this idea and its great finding live bootlegs and rare - hardtofind stuff. I think that most record companies can handle this kind of piracy but the smaller labels that are independent (like Bobby Birds Headphone) obviously suffer a lot from mp3 trading. Most people i know will at least buy the album or ep if they like the mp3s - if everyone did this then i guess we wouldnt be having this discussion now. I am certainly no angel in this respect because there is only so much money in the pot so to speak :) Nothing anyone can do about mp3 trading/piracy in my view - its here - its not getting any smaller - i guess the big boys will survive and the smaller companies may not. I really do believe that if you can get the release and you like it that much then you should pay up and give some money back. The record company always pays the artist an advance for each album depending on the previous sales and their future scope. In response to ermmm angel i think - The reason we dont allow Orbital mp3 trading on the Loopz website is because it is recognised as the official Orbital website and i am sure the record company would love me to allow the website to be the HQ of Orbital piracy. I have to be very careful with the record company - i dont want to get into any trouble - i just want to continue my Orbital promotion work like i have done for years. I hope you can respect that sometimes we have to enforce rules - not censorship! Benjib - Unitary PR website is run by a friend of mine - the Progress Promo and The Visit Promo are not albums. The Visit is all the movements from The Visit program - samples are on the site. Progress is a couple of unreleased tracks, one unreleased remix and a couple of early workings (ie: progress!) of a couple of tracks. I will compile a list of whats on the Progress cd. Also...you know why you was banned - name calling is something that we all do but some of us know when to give it a rest :P Deekay - one thing to say is that Paul Hartnoll likes a joke - believe me because i know him, i have witnessed his sense of humour and if you read most interviews there is a lot of Pauls humour in them. A chance for him to joke about record companies and i am sure he will jump at it. Who wouldnt joke about their boss or owners ? :) Its one of his best attributes - a good sense of humour. He needs one - he works in the music business! Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) BoC/Perro Negro Date: 28 Mar 2000 09:12:28 EST Helloooo all, First off, I'd like to thank Dr. Deekay for the encoder :-) So now, I can encode Boards of Canada's "Twoism" and "High Scores" (vinyl versions) for y'all! I have a feeling some of you are really going to like this stuff. It's definitely worth chillin' to :-) Oh, because it's encoded from vinyl, there's some cracks and a slight hiss, and the bass makes a sort of "whoosh" noise at times, but hey, I think it gives a very cool edge to the tunes, makes it sound all old and stuff, which is what I like about BoC anyway! If you like this stuff, I have some other tracks available on vinyl only and their early Skam releases. Oh yeah, also on the Plaid/Black Dog subject....I LUV 'EM! Bytes is a fine, fine album, and I enjoy Spanners as well. Very awesome original beats. I sort of get an "ethnic" feel from their albums, they seem to like some latin and middle eastern percussion a whole hell of a lot. I have Plaid's "Restproof Clockwork" and "Not For Threes," but hey, get off your asses and go buy them! I might just be able to upload some of the more rare EPs (for example, Scoobs in Colombia: a four tracker different than the "Scoobs" on Peel Sessions), which I believe are out of print, and maybe, just maybe, the 3 hour Black Dog set live from Toronto :-)))) (AWESOME!!!) Ok, so give me some feedback and I'll see what I can do. Peace, Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) mp3, censorship, record companies and replies Date: 28 Mar 2000 09:16:56 EST "Benjib - Unitary PR website is run by a friend of mine - the Progress Promo and The Visit Promo are not albums. The Visit is all the movements from The Visit program - samples are on the site. Progress is a couple of unreleased tracks, one unreleased remix and a couple of early workings (ie: progress!) of a couple of tracks. I will compile a list of whats on the Progress cd." !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want it I want it!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: Re: (orbital) 3 things (update on bootleg, d'n'b, Norwegian label) Date: 28 Mar 2000 10:05:06 -0500 Trym Asserson wrote: > Why not use the XingEncoder? Seems to work fine for me and always give good > quality unless you work in the background which causes glitches in the > track. This came up before but the Xing encoder, while speedy uses only one type of 'medium length' data block which apparently is limited in it's reproduction of hi and low frequencies compared with the Freunhofer algorithm that uses short and long blocks to better handle these frequnecy extremes. ?how'd i do BB n DK? :) Shan-man # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jvan@bcm.tmc.edu" Subject: Re: (orbital) 3 things (update on bootleg, d'n'b, Norwegian label) Date: 28 Mar 2000 09:46:45 -0600 (CST) > > Why not use the XingEncoder? Seems to work fine for me and always give good > quality unless you work in the background which causes glitches in the > track. Xing discards all frequencies above 16kHz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) NT/Linux Date: 28 Mar 2000 16:26:11 +0000 deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: > > If we're talking about customizing Linux, for a firewall or a server, > then you're right, you might be able to have *something* like that > running on NT more quickly using the GUI, but let's face it, NT > firewalls COST money and they're pretty much shit and > uncustomizable compared to Linux/BSD A GUI -really- slows down a server. NT was finally able to beat Linux in a major web server test, but only after they disabled most of the GUI through debugging. (Tweaking was allowed on both sides.) And the only reason it won was because Linux wasn't finished with their multi-threaded IP stack (coming in about a month now). > afterall Microsoft's own Hotmail has a FreeBSD firewall running infront > of a Solaris setup.. they tried to change hotmail to NT when they bought > it, but it was a total disaster as NT simply couldn't handle all the > traffic so they switched back to Solaris/BSD the next day! I think they finally switched back, but they also increased the number of servers by a lot. > 8) And we're talking about Micro$oft themselves here, my friends! ;-D Did > they finally make it with Win2k then?? I have yet to find that out, > but i doubt it since win2k is "based on NT-technology" like it tells > you on every boot! W2K is OEM only. The damn shit is too unstable for home use. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) MP3s/Software Date: 28 Mar 2000 16:29:42 +0000 Christopher Park wrote: > > I noticed this thread has become a Linux vs Winblows thread (You can > probably guess my affiliation), but on the topic of MP3 software, does any > one know a good site providing info on writing an MP3 encoding/decoding > program. I'm ading a linux box to my stereo to be a MP3 jukebox, and I'm > wanting to design the interface to work with a touch screen monitor, plus be > easy to use, The front end part I've got down, its the back end part I'm > having a time with. I would really like to write a high quality > encoder/decoder so that I can make the best use out of my hardware. I've > never written an audio based program before and I was wondering if any one > has written a good tutorial/book/web page about audio programming. You're an idiot if you think you can just whip up a quick encoder/decoder in a few weeks. Just pick up one of the several MP3 players and decoders on the web. Freshmeat.net is a good start. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Skip Acuff" Subject: Re: (orbital) MP3s/Software: Music Match 5? Date: 28 Mar 2000 10:21:45 -0700 Any opinions as to the quality and or utility of the MP3 recorder that comes free with Music Match 5? NOTE: This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this E-Mail or by telephone at (602) 262-5311. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson" Subject: Re: (orbital) 3 things (update on bootleg, d'n'b, Norwegian label) Date: 28 Mar 2000 17:36:04 +0000 At 09:46 28.3.2000 -0600, jvan@bcm.tmc.edu wrote: > > > > Why not use the XingEncoder? Seems to work fine for me and always give > good > > quality unless you work in the background which causes glitches in the > > track. > >Xing discards all frequencies above 16kHz erm... hate to tell you, but you're wrong. the old xing encoder (way back in v1.something) used to do that, but at least the encoder used in audio catalyst 2.x supports up to 20khz. on the other hand, from some tests I've seen on some www pages out there, it doesn't handle the 16-20khz range as well as the fraunhofer encoder... *shrug* Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://nemesis1.cjb.net w00p! :P # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: Re: (orbital) mp3, censorship, record companies and replies Date: 28 Mar 2000 13:20:55 -0500 "Price, Steve A" wrote: > Benjib - Unitary PR website is run by a friend of mine - the Progress Promo > and The Visit Promo are not albums. The Visit is all the movements from The > Visit program - samples are on the site. How the hell do we get our hands on the whole Visit project? Seriously, the samples you have up are mindblowing! I definitely want more! Progress sounds very interesting too. -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) my ftp Date: 28 Mar 2000 13:27:43 -0500 Ok, I gave the Orbital login create directory access in the upload folder, so if you're going to upload a lot of stuff, make a folder for it. thanks = P -Marc # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Digger Subject: (orbital) OT: CD Now Date: 28 Mar 2000 12:42:45 -0600 Sorry for all of the off topic posts... :-( At least this one is sorta on the Orbital target. I am going to visit CD Now to place an order for 3 Orbital CDs. (beached, Style pt.2, and Nothing Left pt. 2) I am curious if anyone has any "coupon" numbers to offer at this time. I know they have been posted before. They are like $10 off a $50.00 purchase or something.. Any help would be appreciated! (MAIL PRIVATELY) Thanks, Digger Digger@Jorsm.Com "And Now I'm Aching For You...But there's much to do 'cause there's NOTHING LEFT" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian Mahuron" Subject: RE: (orbital) NT/Linux Date: 28 Mar 2000 11:29:49 -0800 >I think they finally switched back, but they also increased the number >of servers by a lot. I'm afraid they're still using Apache on some unix (probably solaris). [www].hotmail.com Server: Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.8 SSLeay/0.9.0b x.x.hotmail.passport.com (hotmail's auth frontend) Server: Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.8 SSLeay/0.9.0b x.hotmail.msn.com (where you end up after you log in) Server: Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.8 SSLeay/0.9.0b # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) 3 things (update on bootleg, d'n'b, Norwegian labe Date: 28 Mar 2000 21:53:19 +0000 > > > Why not use the XingEncoder? Seems to work fine for me and always g= ive=20 > > good > > > quality unless you work in the background which causes glitches in = the > > > track. > > > >Xing discards all frequencies above 16kHz > erm... hate to tell you, but you're wrong. > the old xing encoder (way back in v1.something) used to do that, but at= =20 > least the encoder used in audio catalyst 2.x supports up to 20khz. > on the other hand, from some tests I've seen on some www pages out ther= e,=20 > it doesn't handle the 16-20khz range as well as the fraunhofer encoder.= .. > *shrug* >=20 >=20 > Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://nemesis1.= cjb.net > w00p! :P >=20 What Shannon didn't quite point out (though it was all right what=20 he said! 8) and what needn't be neglected when evaluating Xing=20 "quality" is that the goal of an mp3 compressor is to fit the current=20 frame (the song is divided up into little chunks called frames!) into=20 a specified byte length (determined by a) the bitrate, b) the=20 sampling frequency and c) joint stereo/stereo/mono) as mp3 was=20 orignally meant to be a streaming format (maintained=20 data-transfer-rate no matter what the signal is like!). The ways to=20 accomplish this are manifold, like Shannon said the use of=20 long/intermediate/short blocks is one way, the choice of=20 HOW the psychoacoustic reduction itself is performed is another and=20 there are prolly even more!..=20 Now, Xing analyzes the sample and just takes the first possible=20 solution, mp3-producer (FHG) tries many different solutions and then=20 compares them all to the original signal and THEN decides which one=20 is closest to the original and takes that one! The algorithm that=20 makes the choice (ever told a computer to MAKE a choice? 8) is based=20 on the large knowledge FHG has gathered in hearing-tests with=20 professional listeners (=3Dpeople who are PAID to listen!) in their=20 testing labs. And this is exactly why i don't believe in=20 hacker-codecs like Blade or LAME (hell, maybe even Xing!), they=20 simply can't afford to have field-testing like this! 8) The above mentioned is also why the FHG codec is way slower than the=20 Xing one, or did you REALLY think the guys at FHG didn't know how to=20 code decently? >;-D And even i on my moderate Hi-Fi can notice a difference between a=20 FHG-mp3 and a Xing one!.. If you try headphones, EVERYONE can tell=20 it!.. btw: There was a big comparison test with all these "Audiophiles"=20 (you know, the kind of people that buy special Speaker-cables for=20 their $5000 speakers that you might only use one way around and that=20 you need to "acclimate" first by not cranking up the volume during=20 the first weeks!! 8))) Hell, they really think that's so elite!..=20 Hello? this is a CABLE, not a fucking CAR!) that turned down mp3 as=20 "lame stuff for the masses" - guess what? 8) NONE of them was able to=20 tell a difference to an original CD!! Neither were the guys at the=20 Hi-Fi-Shop (one of them even said: "Makes you wonder what this is all=20 good for!") The problem is that people listen to their CDs on a 3 Gazillion Hi-Fi=20 equipment, and then to an mp3 on their $1000 Terratec-soundcard-PC=20 and really think that's a fair comparison! If you wanna make the=20 test, go ahead and do the following to get an easy fair setup: 1. Take your CD, rip the track you wanna try out (maybe use low=20 ripping-speed to avoid glitches!) Take care to rip DIGITALLY right=20 from CD, not this sampling-via-CD-in that some all-in-one packages=20 offer, cause this would mean the signal goes through one D/A->A/D=20 conversion, which greatly reduces quality! You should only do this=20 with CDs that are way too scratched to rip them even at single-speed! 2. encode it with mp3-producer 3. decode it with winamp (diskwriter output) or some other decoder (Some people believe DECODING an mp3 is additional loss in quality,=20 this is not the case, it's the exact same quality as the mp3, kinda=20 like when you save a .jpg as .tif! But I have yet to find out if=20 re-encoding a decoded mp3 with the exact same settings in bitrate etc=20 yields the exact same mp3 as before! <:-) 4. burn it back onto a CDR (maybe use slower burning-speed to avoid=20 problems and oversampling when playing back on a CD-player!) 5. Compare the 2 CDs on the same Hi-Fi stereo! 8) ...i GUARANTEE you you won't be able to tell the difference! DeeKay der Aufkl=E4rer ;-D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "benjib" Subject: (orbital) would somebody please Date: 28 Mar 2000 21:11:41 +0100 mornin' would somebody please contact mr. lazlo who used to run the orbital discography (dead in late 1997) and ask if they can copy it and update it and create a new web home for it dont have the link to hand any problems finding it pls ask i would take on the task but i am a vinyl-phobe (dont ask it a love/hate thing) i will definately help out whoever takes it on with scans and info on orbital cds compilation appearances and bootlegs and if someone does take it on i might have to send them some lovely orbital live cdrs for them to mp3 or something like that heres one update already [Impact] [on Various: ?? (anti-CJB compilation)] ?CD: 1995 UK (??; ??) 11:20 Impact USA should be [Impact] [on Various: Criminal Justice! Axe The Act] CD: 1995 UK (Ultimate Recording Company;CDCRIM1) 11:20 Impact USA many more to go benjib www.benjib.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J Van" Subject: Re: (orbital) 3 things (update on bootleg, d'n'b, Norwegian labe Date: 28 Mar 2000 14:26:53 -0600 usually the other way around. people who knock MP3 are those who HAVE converted their MP3s->CD and played them through decent equipment. I personally cannot spot the difference between MP3 and CD with lo-fidelity PC speakers and a cheapo soundcard, but I can definitely hear the difference once I move the MP3 to audio CDs and then play them on a stereo system. MP3 currently cannot hold a candle to CD in terms of transparency or transient detail, MP3 also suffers in translating those high-frequency harmonics which suffer from that 'glassy' artifacts in sound. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Digger Subject: (orbital) MP3 Server??? Date: 28 Mar 2000 15:05:07 -0600 Ok...who's the one on the list that has the MP3 server with all the Orbital shit? I know someone has one, but I haven't been able to follow the list as closely as I'd like to lately (school, work, etc.). Whomever it is...please e-mail me with the info. Is it ratio? What's the deal? Thanks a million! Thanks, Digger Digger@Jorsm.Com "And Now I'm Aching For You...But there's much to do 'cause there's NOTHING LEFT" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) OT - acro q's Date: 28 Mar 2000 16:20:16 -0500 Fergimme fer askin! Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > W2K is OEM only. The acronym database in my organic processor is on the crash ... I can handle W2K for Windoze2000 but Please "Remind" Vas ist dis OEM? und What's the origin of term/acronym Goa or GOA type trance? Danka, {5 points if you know what this code means} SCn10-E-C %^) Pplz frm TN rilly CANB Ignernt. yup. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oleg Rekutin Subject: Re: (orbital) OT - acro q's Date: 28 Mar 2000 17:54:56 -0500 Tuesday, March 28, 2000, 4:20:16 PM, Shannon wrote: SKC> The acronym database in my organic processor is on the crash ... SKC> I can handle W2K for Windoze2000 but SKC> Please "Remind" SKC> Vas ist dis OEM? Original Equipment Manufacturer. Products marked with OEM usually go to a computer manufacturer/assembler and they build a computer from OEM components. OEM components usually have minimum documentation, lack packaging (since they are meant to be installed, not sold singularly) and don't provide small extra parts like screws or common cables. OEM software is far less common, but usually means that the software is not sold in retail. SKC> What's the origin of term/acronym Goa or GOA type trance? Ehh, I may be wrong, but, AFAIK, the style originated from an Indian city called Goa... So, the style is called "Goa," after the city. (I also heard that it got so hot at times that DJs playing outside couldn't spin vinyl because it would melt [so they had to use DATs or CDs]). (OT!) And, Brendan: > W2K is OEM only. The damn shit is too unstable for home use. No, it's not. A number of people that I personally know have been running W2K and the OS hasn't crashed once (a few applications did, but not the OS) in the course of about four to six months that they have been running it. - Oleg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) OT: CD Now Date: 29 Mar 2000 00:59:54 +0000 Digger wrote: > I am going to visit CD Now to place an order for 3 Orbital CDs. (beached, > Style pt.2, and Nothing Left pt. 2) I am curious if anyone has any > "coupon" numbers to offer at this time. I know they have been posted > before. They are like $10 off a $50.00 purchase or something.. Style *part 2*??? WTF is that??? 8) DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) mp3, censorship, record companies and replies Date: 29 Mar 2000 00:59:54 +0000 > How the hell do we get our hands on the whole Visit project? Seriously, the > samples you have up are mindblowing! I definitely want more! Progress sounds > very interesting too. > > > -Marc Sawaya > Oh no! Not again! <:-) It's the return of damocles' sword, Steve! <;-) Now, what did that sorcerer's apprentice say? 8) DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) MP3s/Software: Music Match 5? Date: 29 Mar 2000 00:59:54 +0000 From what i *remember* you can forget it, it's one of these freeware codecs!.. Not that i'd think freeware is automatically bad, to the contrary, it's just in this case FHG is my #1 choice! ;-D DeeKay > > Any opinions as to the quality and or utility of the MP3 recorder that > comes free with Music Match 5? > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) mp3, censorship, record companies and replies Date: 29 Mar 2000 00:59:54 +0000 > "Benjib - Unitary PR website is run by a friend of mine - the Progress Promo > and The Visit Promo are not albums. The Visit is all the movements from The > Visit program - samples are on the site. Progress is a couple of unreleased > tracks, one unreleased remix and a couple of early workings (ie: progress!) > of a couple of tracks. I will compile a list of whats on the Progress cd." > > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want it I want it!!! > I second that emotion! 8) But I could live with an exact tracklisting for the rest of the week, Steve! ;-D Anyway, how did this b'stard get his hands on a rarity like this? >;-) And why does he plaster it all over his webpage just KNOWING how much we suffer when we see it? DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) 3 things (update on bootleg, d'n'b, Norwegian labe Date: 29 Mar 2000 01:15:17 +0000 > usually the other way around. people who knock MP3 are those > who HAVE converted their MP3s->CD and played them through decent > equipment. I personally cannot spot the difference between MP3 and CD > with lo-fidelity PC speakers and a cheapo soundcard, but I can definitely > hear > the difference once I move the MP3 to audio CDs and then play > them on a stereo system. MP3 currently cannot hold a candle to CD > in terms of transparency or transient detail, MP3 also suffers in > translating > those high-frequency harmonics which suffer from that 'glassy' artifacts in > sound. > We're talking about 160kpbs+ FHG encodings from a digital source, 90% of the people weren't able to tell 160kbps, NONE was able to get 192kbps and higher!.. I can supply you with the link if you don't mind the german, the experiment was conducted by germany's most trustable and reliable Computermagazine (and they DO have some audio-freaks there, yes! 8) And these people that were testing talked EXACTLY like you before! 8) It's funny, you can beat some people with their own words, and they still won't believe! <:-) EVERYONE of these doubters were allowed to take part!.. Do the Pepsi test! DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) Re: OT - acro q's Date: 29 Mar 2000 01:35:12 +0000 > Fergimme fer askin! > > Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > > W2K is OEM only. > > The acronym database in my organic processor is on the crash ... I > can handle W2K for Windoze2000 but > > Please "Remind" > Vas ist dis OEM? I think it means Original Equipment Manufacturer.. Usually used for the people that sell certain soft- or hardware bundled! OEM versions are officially not to be sold separately (that's why they're OEMs! 8) and are sometimes somehow cheaper made (e.g. the Matrox Millenium OEM version had a 175MHz RAMDAC (don't ask! <:-) while the regular had a 220MHz one!.. > und > What's the origin of term/acronym Goa or GOA type trance? > Goa is a part of india, in the highlands. and it used to be THE place for wealthy ravers around 92-95 maybe to fly in to for a high-end rave.. The DJs developed its own distinctive style there and it spread all over the world!.. Funny, actually i'm listening to some Goa right now! ;-D > Danka, > > {5 points if you know what this code means} > > SCn10-E-C %^) > Pplz frm TN rilly CANB Ignernt. yup. > Where's the public key??? <:-) Shannon, you're crazy! ;-D DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aronne Merrelli" Subject: (orbital) Re: yet more black dog + DnB + BoC Date: 28 Mar 2000 15:50:55 PST Digested reply... >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:33:09 +0000 >From: "Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson" >Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: research > >At 23:32 27.3.2000 -0800, Aronne Merrelli wrote: >hiya aronne :) Yo! > >> Black Dog > >This is the 2 guys in Plaid + one more guy. > >I know of 4 releases : Peel session, Spanners, Temple of > >Transparent Balls, Parallel. I think these are in order > >of release (Parallel is oldest), and are also in order of > >scarcity. Luckily, they are also in order of quality, > >(parallel being the least good) although I'm sure some > >will violently disagree with me! That being said, go get > >the peel sessions and "Spanners", those are both excellent > >and should be relatively easy to find. Spanners sounds much > >like the last two Plaid albums, but a little more primitive. > >actually, first it was known as Black Dog Productions, and they first >released some ep's. >then they released Bytes, which is, imho their very best release. a real >must have :) >after that, Parallel (which I don't have), Temple of Transparent Balls >(which I don't have either), and I think around that time, they fell apart, >I think Spanners is their last album together. after that, Black Dog >released Adverto, a cd with about 46 short tunes, most of which bored me >shitless, if I were to tell the truth. >Get Bytes. it is really good :) > I think Parallel is a collection of those early EPs. Bytes I forgot about because I lost the CD for a long time (actually I just found it a couple weeks ago, maybe I should go listen :-) ) And I forgot about adverts as well, Probably because I thought it sucked too... In fact, I should get rid of my copy. If anyone is interested in it, let me know. >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:04:02 BST >From: "Trym Asserson" >Subject: Re: (orbital) 3 things (update on bootleg, d'n'b, Norwegian label) > >****Drum'n'bass**** >I've mostly been listening to Peshay, DJ Rap and Teebee & K until now, but >I >know now that I've been missing some very important, defining moments. Can >anyone direct me to some monumental releases, artists, etc (apart from >Goldie whose latest album I bought and sold within three months). > >If you come across an album by Polar and like drum'n'bass, check it out. >It's called "37 Degrees and falling". Polar is Teebee 's recording mate, K >(Kjetil Dale Sagstad), who makes sci-fi d'n'b with intricate basslines and >drum edits. Combined with Teebee's dark, hardstep, "black science" >basslines, the result is very powerful. Yeah I've been meaning to get that. The Teebee & K album has some really great tunes on it. as for you question, DnB is very ethereal so its hard to name "defining" releases, but here are some that I think are essential, and why: T Power 'Self Evident Truths of the Intuitive Mind' & 'Police State' (top ambient DnB) Plug 'Drum and Bass for Papa' (best mix of breakbeats ever) Photek 'Risc vs Reward' (he produces some amazing beats... very distinctive sound!) and a couple comps, Log. Progression 1 (excellent ambient/smooth DnB from the masters) Metalheadz Platinum Breakz vol 1, (many 'anthems' on this one) Torque (if you like dark tech-y stuff, this is it!) Some other good stuff : Klute - anything (anything on Cert 18, for that matter), Ed & Optical - Wormhole, any of the Moving Shadow samplers (98.1, etc... they are cheap, too) I've also heard that the new Matrix album 'Sleepless' is really good - not just another 2 step thing. >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:12:28 EST >From: "Robert Schultz" >Subject: (orbital) BoC/Perro Negro > >Helloooo all, > >First off, I'd like to thank Dr. Deekay for the encoder :-) > >So now, I can encode Boards of Canada's "Twoism" and "High Scores" (vinyl >versions) for y'all! I have a feeling some of you are really going to like >this stuff. It's definitely worth chillin' to :-) > In case you hadn't already heard, Hi Scores was repressed a few months ago, including a CD release. And I second that recommendation, its a really a fine release. You should buy it if you like the mp3's :-) Whew! I'm done now :-) Regards, Aronne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Funkenstein" Subject: (orbital) Concatenated response on the LINUX thing Date: 28 Mar 2000 19:30:26 -0800 I didn't want to bomb the list with (off topic) messages, but I wanted to respond to some things... In General: I am actually a BIG LINUX/Un*x supporter (I'm all about open source)..and it's funny that I'm kind of taking the role of MS supporter here (usually I'm on the opposite side). I guess in reality I'm kind of in the middle on the issue and since there are a lot of LINUX people on this list...I guess that's why I find myself arguing in favor of MS (shudder). That said I think MS is EXTREMELY bad for the industry and puts out a bloated, insecure product. I am HOPING that the trust investigations break them up. DeeKay: About the stability issue: That's very wierd that you've had such problems with NT stability. Like you said I would imagine that it's the software you're running that's causing the crashes...and while I agree that NT should do a better job of handling misbehaving apps, it technically isn't the OS's fault that the crashes occur. I have lots of experience from administering a medium sized NT4 network and stability has *never* been a problem (particularly where the servers are concerned). I also used NT server at home for a long time and had *very* few problems. Both of those are 24/7 setups with no scheduled reboots at all. My home machine usually didn't need to be rebooted more than once or twice per week (depending on what I was messing with of course), and I don't even remember the last time our servers at work were down. On Ease of use: I'll have to read up on that competition...sounds interesting. Still though, the install isn't really even the issue...even Redhat's install is probably as easy as Windows now. But in general day to day use it's still not feasable to put LINUX boxes in front of computer illiterate people. LINUX is still to complex to run and maintain. Not to mention the fact that the GUI's just aren't there yet in terms of robustness (putting up with user mistakes) and stability. Enlightenment hasn't even reached 1.0 yet. That said...it is getting better all the time and I hope they get there eventually. I would love to run Gnome Enlightenment and have it be as stable/fast/robust as Windows GUI (drool...that would be sweeeeet) On Firewalls and stuff: I think anyone who uses Windows (any version) as a firewall is insane. OpenBSD trounces it out of the box. Brendan: On the performance tests: The Open Benchmark confirmed the initial findings of Mindcraft that NT was the winner for FileServer and Webserver performance. I didn't believe it myself until I saw the results but NT SLAMMED Redhat. Maybe (hopefully) that will change as Redhat continues on but for now the numbers don't lie. That said: I don't know why this is such a big deal. Personally if I wanted to build a webserver I would NOT use Redhat LINUX. There are much better platforms for webservers. I mean Redhat is great but it's being developed more as a desktop OS than a mega-server OS (as pretty much every version of LINUX always has been). It does the desktop thing FAR better out of the box than something like OpenBSD (lots of ease-of-use stuff, GUI installed with the OS, etc). But OpenBSD is more suited to being a web/file server. On Win2k: I am EXTREMELY impressed with Win2K (despite the bloated and insecure thing of course). However, it is too early to really comment on it...MS has a history of making VAST improvements in their products as they mature a bit. However, I have to say as someone who REFUSED to run Win95 when it first came out (and boy was I right not to) that Win2K looks pretty good so far...good enough for me to be running it within the first few months of its release. My Professional box (running Win2K final) almost never crashes. Aimee: Not everyone is so closed minded, even here at 3 guys : 1 girl RIT people don't assume ridiculous things like that so much. There are plenty of female IT and CS people and everyone realizes that. funkenstein@mail.rit.edu - http://www.rit.edu/~dco2393 It's wild how you never know where your life could go So many try to slow your roll in these trails of life -Mystik Journeymen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aimee couture Subject: Re: (orbital) Concatenated response on the LINUX thing Date: 28 Mar 2000 20:32:19 -0500 >Aimee: Not everyone is so closed minded, even here at 3 guys : 1 girl RIT >people don't assume ridiculous things like that so much. There are plenty >of female IT and CS people and everyone realizes that. my job = residence network consultant, university of western ontario i'm one of the first three women to ever have this job since it started in 1996 i'm the youngest ever, male or female before this year? there was one woman on staff this years temp staff? about 7 men : 1 woman i want to hire more girls for next year =] and i have a say in hiring now, so maybe i can help make that happen. Aimee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) MP3 quality Date: 29 Mar 2000 02:18:04 +0000 J Van wrote: > > usually the other way around. people who knock MP3 are those > who HAVE converted their MP3s->CD and played them through decent > equipment. I personally cannot spot the difference between MP3 and CD > with lo-fidelity PC speakers and a cheapo soundcard, but I can definitely > hear > the difference once I move the MP3 to audio CDs and then play > them on a stereo system. MP3 currently cannot hold a candle to CD > in terms of transparency or transient detail, MP3 also suffers in > translating > those high-frequency harmonics which suffer from that 'glassy' artifacts in > sound. You're obviously using bad compressors on 128 kbps. I use 160 kbps and bladeenc, and it works just fine. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Concatenated response on the LINUX thing Date: 29 Mar 2000 02:30:58 +0000 "Dr. Funkenstein" wrote: > > Brendan: > > On the performance tests: The Open Benchmark confirmed the initial > findings of Mindcraft that NT was the winner for FileServer and Webserver > performance. I didn't believe it myself until I saw the results but NT > SLAMMED Redhat. Maybe (hopefully) that will change as Redhat continues on > but for now the numbers don't lie. That said: I don't know why this is > such a big deal. Personally if I wanted to build a webserver I would NOT > use Redhat LINUX. There are much better platforms for webservers. I mean > Redhat is great but it's being developed more as a desktop OS than a > mega-server OS (as pretty much every version of LINUX always has been). It > does the desktop thing FAR better out of the box than something like > OpenBSD (lots of ease-of-use stuff, GUI installed with the OS, etc). But > OpenBSD is more suited to being a web/file server. While Free/OpenBSD are nice products and a little better in the speed departments, they don't have a multi-threaded IP stack either. "RedHat" has nothing to do with it. They just distribute the software with different items. The kernel and the web server are the main things. The problem is that Apache is NOT built for speed. It's built for functionality. (It's fairly fast, but not the fastest.) If you want a fast Linux web server, get Zeus. Also, the whole test was rigged in NT's favor. Microsoft knew that Linux wasn't the best in huge multi-processor systems. However, it's a proven fact that Linux will kick the shit out of a NT box on a single-processor system. (And a single-processor system doesn't need a multi-threaded IP stack.) Mindcraft (AKA Microsoft) blew this idea off, calling it "a resource choked system". Yeah, resource choked for that bloated piece of shit called Windoze! > On Win2k: I am EXTREMELY impressed with Win2K (despite the bloated and > insecure thing of course). However, it is too early to really comment on > it...MS has a history of making VAST improvements in their products as they > mature a bit. However, I have to say as someone who REFUSED to run Win95 > when it first came out (and boy was I right not to) that Win2K looks pretty > good so far...good enough for me to be running it within the first few > months of its release. My Professional box (running Win2K final) almost > never crashes. 65,000 known bugs. Enough said. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Women and technology Date: 29 Mar 2000 02:53:05 +0000 aimee couture wrote: > > i want to hire more girls for next year =] > and i have a say in hiring now, so maybe i can help make that happen. Don't be biased. It's not because men won't hire women. It's because women don't bother. How many women are on this ML? (One.) How many women play video games? (2%.) How many women hackers exist? (Almost nil.) How many women are experts at cars? (Even less.) How many women go to raves WITHOUT their boyfriends? (About 10%.) How many women play the guitar? (Less than 10%.) How many women are famous DJs? (I could count them on one hand.) The simple fact is this: women are afraid of technology. I'm not one of those bigots that thinks they should be making babies and cooking dinner. (Quite the opposite...it's hard to get a date in my social class.) But, maybe women should get off their asses and learn technology, instead of learning fashion design and cooking and singing! It's not our fault that women simply don't have an interest in it. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) Women and technology Date: 28 Mar 2000 22:01:05 EST How many women are on this ML? (One.) Wrong, don't forget about Joona in Finland and Monica in Madrid!! How many women play video games? (2%.) Don't know How many women hackers exist? (Almost nil.) I know three How many women are experts at cars? (Even less.) Maybe How many women go to raves WITHOUT their boyfriends? (About 10%.) No way! I know A LOT of girl ravers that don't have boyfriends. Besides, it's not their fault that they might be hot and their boyfriends are afraid they'll get picked up by some raver named Brendan... How many women play the guitar? (Less than 10%.) I know a few. How many women are famous DJs? (I could count them on one hand.) No, there's 2 on Friday nights here in Boston. DJ Courtney is pretty good actually. Roberto ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Women and technology Date: 29 Mar 2000 03:12:25 +0000 Robert Schultz wrote: > > How many women are on this ML? (One.) Wrong, don't forget about Joona in > Finland and Monica in Madrid!! > > How many women play video games? (2%.) Don't know > How many women hackers exist? (Almost nil.) I know three > How many women are experts at cars? (Even less.) Maybe > How many women go to raves WITHOUT their boyfriends? (About 10%.) No way! I > know A LOT of girl ravers that don't have boyfriends. Besides, it's not > their fault that they might be hot and their boyfriends are afraid they'll > get picked up by some raver named Brendan... > How many women play the guitar? (Less than 10%.) I know a few. > How many women are famous DJs? (I could count them on one hand.) No, there's > 2 on Friday nights here in Boston. DJ Courtney is pretty good actually. You're totally missing my point. The male:female ratio is WAAAAY too low on the female side of things. BTW, will you quit sending me a dupe of the message you're sending me on the ML? I'm subscribed, ya know. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: RE: (orbital) NT/Linux Date: 29 Mar 2000 00:59:54 +0000 > >I think they finally switched back, but they also increased the number > >of servers by a lot. > > I'm afraid they're still using Apache on some unix (probably solaris). > > [www].hotmail.com > Server: Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.8 SSLeay/0.9.0b > > x.x.hotmail.passport.com (hotmail's auth frontend) > Server: Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.8 SSLeay/0.9.0b > > x.hotmail.msn.com (where you end up after you log in) > Server: Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.8 SSLeay/0.9.0b > Yeah, seems probable!.. Cause IF they switched to Win2k on Hotmail, they'd fucken plaster it EVERYWHERE! 8) They'd put it into every hotmail-footer: "This message is sent to you through hotmail - powered by NT-technology!", hell, i swear they'd even paint it on the moon! 8) And you can be sure they'd put it in a way so that people wouldn't ask themselves "What did it run on unitl now then?", afterall there's this thing called Microspeech, where a 'bug' is a 'known issue' (they are not allowed to say the word 'bug' - how pathetic! 8), a 'macrovirus' is a 'prank macro', a 'bugfix' is a 'service pack' and where they brag about their all new upgrade in mailservers on MSN (referred to as Microsoft Nation by microsoft.eu.org! >:-) instead of giving apologies for the millions of mails that have been lost or delayed during a severe servercrash of their (before) ridiculously small mailserver (prolly running NT, too! >:-) Now, it's good to know that Hotmail runs on Solaris, this makes all the PR spin on www.dot-truth.com where they try to ridicule sun (part of the Win2k-marketing!) seem even MORE pathetic!.. Oh well, atleast the german government is considering choosing Opensource Software like Linux and BSD now and my 15-year old cousin is telling me that all the boys in his class are complete Linux-nerds! ;-D Here's one thing Bill didn't consider in his worlddomination plans: nerds! 8) Pretty ironic as he is referred to as the 'king of the nerds' by some! <:-) DeeKay Quote of the day: "I'd rather give my Children drugs than windows" (...which takes us back where we started this thread somehow! ;-D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) NT/Linux Date: 29 Mar 2000 04:44:07 +0000 deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: > > Here's one thing Bill didn't consider in his worlddomination plans: > nerds! 8) Pretty ironic as he is referred to as the 'king of the > nerds' by some! <:-) I'm a hacker. If you use the word "nerd" again, I'll smack your head off! -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aimee couture Subject: Re: (orbital) Women and technology Date: 29 Mar 2000 00:37:31 -0500 >aimee couture wrote: > > > > i want to hire more girls for next year =] > > and i have a say in hiring now, so maybe i can help make that happen. > >Don't be biased. It's not because men won't hire women. It's because >women don't bother. no, i'm not saying that i'm going to hire girls who aren't qualified. the best man gets the job. but i'm encouraging girls i know [who are qualified] to apply. most girls i talk to are too afraid to even apply for a technology job. >How many women are on this ML? (One.) more than one. but the rest hide =] >How many women go to raves WITHOUT their boyfriends? (About 10%.) i know a lot of single female ravers. >The simple fact is this: women are afraid of technology. I'm not one of >those bigots that thinks they should be making babies and cooking >dinner. (Quite the opposite...it's hard to get a date in my social >class.) But, maybe women should get off their asses and learn >technology, instead of learning fashion design and cooking and singing! >It's not our fault that women simply don't have an interest in it. hey hey now.. i make clothes, i cook, i sing, and dammit i can use technology too =] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony N Gall Subject: Re: (orbital) Women and technology Date: 29 Mar 2000 00:09:45 -0600 (CST) On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > How many women go to raves WITHOUT their boyfriends? (About 10%.) > How many women play the guitar? (Less than 10%.) > How many women are famous DJs? (I could count them on one hand.) Dude, I see absolutely no correlation between raving, playing the guitar, DJing, and grasp of technology. None of the three require even interest in technology (e.g., girl punk bands, the fact that all female DJs i know personally really have no interest in technology...). And raving? technology? you don't need to read up and be technologically in-the-know to be able to dance and have fun...I think what you're really trying to criticize is the supposed lack of women's enthusiasm to break into male-dominated parts of society. > The simple fact is this: women are afraid of technology. Nothing, especially gender issues, is ever this simple Brendan :) > those bigots that thinks they should be making babies and cooking > dinner. (Quite the opposite...it's hard to get a date in my social > class.) But, maybe women should get off their asses and learn > technology, instead of learning fashion design and cooking and singing! Rather, I think that women (like everyone else for that matter) should go and learn all types of things, be it cooking or computer repair. Hell, right now more than anything I'd like to learn to be a real good cook and I'm a guy. On the other hand, I really have no interest in computers and would not use one if it were possible. So, I think that people should just have fun with whatever floats their boat, and if it's something that's usually correlated with a different type of person, then good for them. > It's not our fault that women simply don't have an interest in it. Who are you referring to when you say "our"? It's really society's fault, for continuing to propagate the myth that women simply (there's that word again) either aren't good at or can't do certain male-dominated tasks. It's an awful stereotype that ends up feeding off of itself. -Anthony # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Women and technology Date: 29 Mar 2000 06:40:22 +0000 Anthony N Gall wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > > > How many women go to raves WITHOUT their boyfriends? (About 10%.) > > How many women play the guitar? (Less than 10%.) > > How many women are famous DJs? (I could count them on one hand.) > > Dude, I see absolutely no correlation between raving, playing the guitar, > DJing, and grasp of technology. None of the three require even interest in > technology (e.g., girl punk bands, the fact that all female DJs i know > personally really have no interest in technology...). And raving? > technology? you don't need to read up and be technologically in-the-know > to be able to dance and have fun...I think what you're really trying to > criticize is the supposed lack of women's enthusiasm to break into > male-dominated parts of society. It's not just knowing how to do something as it is just something which is "technological". Techno is obviously technological. Women's most common part in a musicial band is as the singer, because it doesn't involve using something technological. Women even shy away from the drums. (Unforunately, most women drummers suck because they don't know how to bang the drums hard enough. I praise the ones that do, though, like the drummers from Drain STH and Lenny Kravitz.) > Rather, I think that women (like everyone else for that matter) should go > and learn all types of things, be it cooking or computer repair. Hell, > right now more than anything I'd like to learn to be a real good cook and > I'm a guy. On the other hand, I really have no interest in computers and > would not use one if it were possible. So, I think that people should just > have fun with whatever floats their boat, and if it's something that's > usually correlated with a different type of person, then good for them. I think the stereotype that men don't know how to cook is grossly inaccurate now. My entire family knows how cook very well, as does most of my male friends. OTOH, there are some women who -don't- know how to cook. > Who are you referring to when you say "our"? It's really society's fault, > for continuing to propagate the myth that women simply (there's that word > again) either aren't good at or can't do certain male-dominated tasks. > It's an awful stereotype that ends up feeding off of itself. Besides some bad biases in the military, I don't think much anybody thinks like that any more. There are many opportunaties for women out there that most women don't persue. Instead, they go for being a nurse, or a secertary, or the "typical" women jobs. Maybe it's a little bit of trying to break gender barriers, but a career decision shouldn't be based on how many men/women are in that field. Who knows? Maybe it's genetic for a women to be inheriently afraid of technology. You'd be surprised at how many psychological defaults we have implanted in our brains because of our genes. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: Re: (orbital) OT: CD Now Date: 29 Mar 2000 12:17:38 BST >Style *part 2*??? >WTF is that??? 8) There were 2 Style singles, pt. 1 and pt.2 One had, Old Style Mock Tudor New Style the other had Style An Fhomhair Bigpipe Style or something like that, might have got one track mixed up or so. Check Loopz' site for exact listing. Trym ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (orbital) Highway To Hell in Spain!!! Date: 29 Mar 2000 15:40:12 +0200 Shannon K. Campbell wrote: > not to interupt these fascinating theories of artistic interpretations > on Sniv cover, but! > ?Didja hear that Madrid named a street after AC/DC?!?!?!? > I think Knoxville needs an "Orbital Way" !!!! Yes, but not exactly in Madrid but in Leganes (a small town near Madrid). The street is called "calle AC-DC" (AC-DC street) and some people have robbed several times the sign. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gargin, Philip (Frankfurt)" Subject: RE: (orbital) Highway To Hell in Spain!!! Date: 29 Mar 2000 14:45:04 +0100 Der Automat:- > Yes, but not exactly in Madrid but in Leganes (a small town near Madrid). > The street is called "calle AC-DC" (AC-DC street) and some people have > robbed several times the sign. > I hear they're naming a street Mike Oldfield in Madrid as well! He's my big music hero. I have a Q interview with him and Orbital somewhere. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JL Jones" Subject: Re: (orbital) MP3 quality & Loopz comments Date: 29 Mar 2000 01:56:47 -0500 The other problem (in my mind) is that people expect too much from the mp3 compression format. for the state that the internet is in at present with regards to bandwidth mp3 is perfect. I don't think the creators of that compression format were trying to appease "audiophile" types. I expect to see the technology evolve within the next few years to the point that these quibbles about the bit rate and artifacting etc. will become moot points.. As for Steve's comments earlier about the official status with Loopz and mp3's -- Most definitely understandable.... and I'm one who's all for supporting the artist -- mp3's are a great way to preview stuff. For the people who aren't on major labels or not on a label at all, but do have the capability to encode and upload their music to get heard (like myself) its a good thing.... The internet gives us a medium to be heard unlike the other mass mediums. Jim J. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 9:18 PM > > J Van wrote: > > > > usually the other way around. people who knock MP3 are those > > who HAVE converted their MP3s->CD and played them through decent > > equipment. I personally cannot spot the difference between MP3 and CD > > with lo-fidelity PC speakers and a cheapo soundcard, but I can definitely > > hear > > the difference once I move the MP3 to audio CDs and then play > > them on a stereo system. MP3 currently cannot hold a candle to CD > > in terms of transparency or transient detail, MP3 also suffers in > > translating > > those high-frequency harmonics which suffer from that 'glassy' artifacts in > > sound. > > You're obviously using bad compressors on 128 kbps. I use 160 kbps and > bladeenc, and it works just fine. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) She blinded me with science Date: 29 Mar 2000 11:35:22 EST B-Money spouted: "Techno is obviously technological." Um, indeed. "Women's most common part in a musicial band is as the singer, because it doesn't involve using something technological." No, because their voices sound better, and they can reach more pitches/notes than men. Women even shy away from the drums. (Unforunately, most women drummers suck because they don't know how to bang the drums hard enough. I praise the ones that do, though, like the drummers from Drain STH and Lenny Kravitz.)" Um, no Brenden, no. Drumming has nothing to do with "hitting the drums hard." Do you play drums? I do. Go ahead, try to hit them hard and actually get a good rhythm down, it takes away from the tone. God, drums are amplified now, so they don't even have to hit them hard anymore. Take jazz for example, try to tell a jazz drummer about hitting drums hard, and they'll laugh in your face. It's about rhythm, all about rhythm. There are plenty of good female drummers, it's just that they're not famous because we live in a male dominated society. The same goes for DJs, etc. "I think the stereotype that men don't know how to cook is grossly inaccurate now. My entire family knows how cook very well, as does most of my male friends. OTOH, there are some women who -don't- know how to cook." Yeah! I love Yan Can Cook!! God, that guy rocks! The same goes for Emeril!!! Yeeeya! His "essence?" BAM BAM BAM! I'd like to see Julia Child match that! (Plus, he's from my hometown: Fall River, MA) :-) "Maybe it's genetic for a women to be inheriently afraid of technology. You'd be surprised at how many psychological defaults we have implanted in our brains because of our genes." Um, what the hell is this all about Brendan? Come on now ma'man, do you actually think women are "technologically impaired?" I don't think so. It's just that women in society have to maintain that "sexy image" for the men, and if they don't look attractive, or maintain their appearance, they go down in status. It's not "sexy" to be a computer nerd, however it is very sexy to be (for example) a business woman, which is probably why there are so many women these days studying Finance, Marketing, etc. :-) (hehehe lucky me) :-))))) Rob P.S. What is Thomas Dolby doing these days? He rocked. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) She blinded me with science Date: 29 Mar 2000 18:26:29 +0000 Robert Schultz wrote: > > B-Money spouted: B-Money? What the hell does that mean?! > "Women's most common part in a musicial band is as the singer, because it > doesn't involve using something technological." > > No, because their voices sound better, and they can reach more pitches/notes > than men. Even with bands where that type of thing isn't important, there's still a shortage of women. Besides, men have ranges in the lower freqs that women can't reach, so you'd think it would balance out. > Um, no Brenden, no. Drumming has nothing to do with "hitting the drums > hard." Do you play drums? I do. Go ahead, try to hit them hard and actually > get a good rhythm down, it takes away from the tone. God, drums are > amplified now, so they don't even have to hit them hard anymore. Take jazz > for example, try to tell a jazz drummer about hitting drums hard, and > they'll laugh in your face. It's about rhythm, all about rhythm. There are > plenty of good female drummers, it's just that they're not famous because we > live in a male dominated society. The same goes for DJs, etc. No, but my father plays the drums. He used to do it for a living. And most drums aren't amplified, unless you get a electronic drum set, which are very uncommon. If you don't hit the drums loud enough, people aren't going to hear you. Of course jazz doesn't hit the drums hard, but I'm not talking about a jazz band. In terms of the silly little "male-dominated society" thing, we do live in a male-dominated society, but it's a woman's choice to change society and they aren't doing it. > Yeah! I love Yan Can Cook!! God, that guy rocks! The same goes for Emeril!!! > Yeeeya! His "essence?" BAM BAM BAM! I'd like to see Julia Child match that! > (Plus, he's from my hometown: Fall River, MA) :-) Oddly enough, most of the professional cooks are men. I don't know why. (BTW, the Iron Chef beats all of those guys :) > Um, what the hell is this all about Brendan? Come on now ma'man, do you > actually think women are "technologically impaired?" I don't think so. Think of it this way: women are more apt to experiment with homosexuality than men. Why? Because they're women. I don't think they are "technologically impaired", but I think they might have an aversion towards technology the same way men have an aversion towards homosexuality. > It's just that women in society have to maintain that "sexy image" for the > men, and if they don't look attractive, or maintain their appearance, they > go down in status. It's not "sexy" to be a computer nerd, however it is very > sexy to be (for example) a business woman, which is probably why there are > so many women these days studying Finance, Marketing, etc. :-) (hehehe lucky > me) It depends on who your talking to. Unintelligence turns me off when I'm talking to a woman. And you think hacking can't be sexy. Just look at Angelina Jolie in Hackers. Sure, it was an unrealistic movie, but it proves that you can look sexy and still be a hacker. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julie Lynn Hill Subject: Re: (orbital) Women and technology Date: 29 Mar 2000 14:10:51 -0600 Well, what a way to introduce myself to the list. Seeing as this whole women in technology bit set off another ML I'm on about a month ago, I'm primed to go on this. :) Sorry to jump in a bit after it got going. (Hi, BTW. I'm Julie. Nice to meet you.) Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > Don't be biased. It's not because men won't hire women. It's because > women don't bother. Way to start off with a load of crap. Women do bother, and are consistently passed over or not taken seriously not on the basis of lesser talent or ability, but because they're women. The glass ceiling is alive and well in and out of the workplace. > How many women are on this ML? (One.) Already been corrected. > How many women play video games? (2%.) Where did you get that figure, at any rate? I play, for what it's worth. So do most of my female friends. > How many women hackers exist? (Almost nil.) How would you know? Does gender/sex really matter in hacking? > How many women are experts at cars? (Even less.) May have a point there. But many women I know can change tires, oil, fix basic stuff...we may not mess around, but we do learn what we need to know. > How many women go to raves WITHOUT their boyfriends? (About 10%.) I don't do raves that often, and I'd go with or without a b/f. All I require is just some friends to hang with. Besides, what's the problem with going somewhere with a significant other? I'd assume you're dating because you have this kind of interest in common. Or not. Whatever. > How many women play the guitar? (Less than 10%.) Again, where's the figure from? My skills are limited, but I do play, and I know equal amounts of male and female guitar players. > How many women are famous DJs? (I could count them on one hand.) Point there. But the reasons you assume for it are completely wrong. > The simple fact is this: women are afraid of technology. I'm not one of > those bigots that thinks they should be making babies and cooking > dinner. (Quite the opposite...it's hard to get a date in my social > class.) But, maybe women should get off their asses and learn > technology, instead of learning fashion design and cooking and singing! > It's not our fault that women simply don't have an interest in it. Bullshit! And what's the deal if a woman wants to learn fashion design or cooking or singing? The women I know study what they want. Of course, I'm a geologist, so I'm already in a male dominated field, so perhaps the women I know are a skewed sampling of those who aren't going to be held back. The fact is that it relates much more to social conditioning (which someone brings up in a later e-mail, about how women lost status by being smart instead of beautiful) and expectations than it does to how women actually feel. I'm running out of time now because I need to get to class, but the fact is that the abscence of women in technology has little to do with how we feel towards technology and more towards how society feels towards us in technology. Our fault for believing that crap? Perhaps, but it's not easy to put up with the negative attitudes once you've gone against what is 'expected'. Anyways. Time to go get educated. I'll throw in a couple cents more later. Julie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: Re: (orbital) Women and technology Date: 29 Mar 2000 15:37:56 -0500 Hi Julie! Great to have you de-lurk, too bad it had to be because of something like this. Julie Lynn Hill wrote: > The glass ceiling is alive and well And living in the front bedroom. Ought to join the bloody army! = ) > Don't be biased. It's not because men won't hire women. It's because > women don't bother. Yeah, that was way the hell out of line, Brendan. Personally I don't care for this whole stupid argument (not you Brendan, just this argument), and would be happy to see it end now. This is an Orbital list, it's not for discussing women's roles in society. I'm no misogynist, I'm definitely against any glass ceilings, but this is the wrong place to talk about it. I'm sure Julie would be glad to give interested people the address of the mailing list she spoke about. Ok, that's the last I plan to say about that. Julie, tell us a little bit about yourself = ). How long have you been into Orbital, or on this list? How'd you get into Orbital, etc? Inquiring minds want to know, as, Brendan pointed out, the male/female ratio on this list is appalling. We want to know how the opposite sex (or at least the specimens we have available = ) shares Orbital with is . We've been blabbing with each other for a while, and Aimee hasn't been too active lately = P. -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: Re: (orbital) Concatenated response on the LINUX thing Date: 29 Mar 2000 21:37:16 +0100 At 19:30 28/03/00 -0800, Dr. Funkenstein wrote: > >On Ease of use: I'll have to read up on that competition...sounds >interesting. Still though, the install isn't really even the issue...even >Redhat's install is probably as easy as Windows now. Corel Linux installed for me like a dream. It's nice to see the linux distributors have got their installations as easy as windows. Now I'd just like to be able to configure some things on the interface that I could do in windows (though there are plenty of things I can change in KDE that I can't in windows... And I wonder which one's likely to be implementing more features quickest?) >But in general day to >day use it's still not feasable to put LINUX boxes in front of computer >illiterate people. remembering seeing my mum with her first PC for work a few years back, I wouldn't give someone win95 without a bit of training either. At least people are less likely to damage stuff in linux, with the permissions and that. And if they can only write to their own directory they're less likely to lose their documents. > LINUX is still to complex to run and maintain. I'd like to see a computer illiterate maintain even Windows. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: Re: (orbital) Women and technology Date: 29 Mar 2000 21:39:43 +0100 At 15:37 29/03/00 -0500, Marc Sawaya wrote: > >Ok, that's the last I plan to say about that. Julie, tell us a little bit >about yourself = ). How long have you been into Orbital, or on >this list? How'd you get into Orbital, etc? Marc's on the pull! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Women and technology Date: 29 Mar 2000 20:51:02 +0000 Julie Lynn Hill wrote: > > Well, what a way to introduce myself to the list. Seeing as this whole women > in technology bit set off another ML I'm on about a month ago, I'm primed to > go on this. :) Sorry to jump in a bit after it got going. > > (Hi, BTW. I'm Julie. Nice to meet you.) Hi. Ditto. > Way to start off with a load of crap. Women do bother, and are consistently > passed over or not taken seriously not on the basis of lesser talent or > ability, but because they're women. The glass ceiling is alive and well in > and out of the workplace. While I think there's still a bit of racial bigotry, a vast majority of businesses and such don't have any biases about women. OTOH, if you ask a bunch of women, most of them don't persue technology jobs not because of biases, but because they simply don't want to. > > How many women are on this ML? (One.) > > Already been corrected. It's funny that a lot of women lurkers suddenly pop out of the woodwork when I posted this thread. Maybe you should *@&$ing contribute to the conversation on this list for once. (I'm glad you've come out the closet, but lurkers kinda piss me off. It's like leeching off of a FTP server.) > > How many women play video games? (2%.) > > Where did you get that figure, at any rate? I play, for what it's worth. So > do most of my female friends. Uh-huh. Where do you live? In some amazon haven filled with beautiful women? I can walk into an arcade and be guaranteed that 100% of the girls there are there because their boyfriends are playing games. > > How many women hackers exist? (Almost nil.) > > How would you know? Does gender/sex really matter in hacking? It shouldn't, but most women don't like hacking. > > How many women are experts at cars? (Even less.) > > May have a point there. But many women I know can change tires, oil, fix > basic stuff...we may not mess around, but we do learn what we need to know. I know shit about cars myself, but it's only because it's not my career option. I've never heard of a women stand up say "I want to be a car mechanic when I grow up." > > How many women go to raves WITHOUT their boyfriends? (About 10%.) > > I don't do raves that often, and I'd go with or without a b/f. All I require > is just some friends to hang with. Besides, what's the problem with going > somewhere with a significant other? I'd assume you're dating because you > have this kind of interest in common. Or not. Whatever. My point is that most women are at the raves because their b/fs drag them into it. There are few women that are into the rave scene because they believe in it, which is a shame because the hippie scene was genderless. > > How many women play the guitar? (Less than 10%.) > > Again, where's the figure from? My skills are limited, but I do play, and I > know equal amounts of male and female guitar players. Just flip around on MTV. Check on the odd time that they play a non-R&B/teeny bopper/rap song and see if there are any female guitarists. Music is one of the most liberal atmospheres and is very rarily affected by stereotypes and biases. (The teen pop scene is something else...) > > How many women are famous DJs? (I could count them on one hand.) > > Point there. But the reasons you assume for it are completely wrong. What are the reasons then? What are women afraid of? Get on that damn mixer and play some funky shit! > Bullshit! And what's the deal if a woman wants to learn fashion design or > cooking or singing? The women I know study what they want. This is true. I want people to study what they want. But, at the same time, I want a change in the way life works. Women are unwilling to take some jobs because women in general don't like them, and I don't know why. There's nothing wrong with programming or playing the guitar or DJing. > Of course, I'm a > geologist, so I'm already in a male dominated field, so perhaps the women I > know are a skewed sampling of those who aren't going to be held back. The > fact is that it relates much more to social conditioning (which someone > brings up in a later e-mail, about how women lost status by being smart > instead of beautiful) and expectations than it does to how women actually > feel. I care about beauty only as a first impression, but this has nothing to do with your career type. Being a beautiful woman in cooking and being a beautiful women in programming still makes you a beautiful woman. As I said before, I like smart women. I don't like women who aren't smart. How the hell am I going to carry on a conversation with a woman who isn't smart? You can only smalltalk for so far. Social conditioning? Fuck social conditioning! Why do you think ravers are full of life and diversity? Because they go against the social norm and follow what they feel like. > I'm running out of time now because I need to get to class, but the > fact is that the abscence of women in technology has little to do with how > we feel towards technology and more towards how society feels towards us in > technology. Our fault for believing that crap? Perhaps, but it's not easy > to put up with the negative attitudes once you've gone against what is > 'expected'. It will continue to be a stereotype that feeds itself until enough women hit he field and prove that the stereotype is no longer accurate. In the words of Bullworth (on a slightly different topic): "Get rid of all the black people! Get rid of all the white people! Get rid of this idea of race! We should fuck each other until we are the same color. It might take a while, but it'll solve our problem." -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian Mahuron" Subject: RE: (orbital) NT/Linux Date: 29 Mar 2000 13:22:15 -0800 >I'm a hacker. If you use the word "nerd" again, I'll smack your head >off! A hacker should have known how to check if hotmail.com is running NT or Unix. :P Just kidding. You could even use nmap's TCP/IP fingerprinting to find out which OS is being run.. though I prefer not to do portscans on Bill's boxen. I prefer to be called a 'geek'. The word 'hacker' has too many negative connotations (fuxing media!). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Women and technology Date: 29 Mar 2000 23:35:06 +0000 > aimee couture wrote: > > > > i want to hire more girls for next year =] > > and i have a say in hiring now, so maybe i can help make that happen. > > Don't be biased. It's not because men won't hire women. It's because > women don't bother. > > How many women are on this ML? (One.) > How many women play video games? (2%.) > How many women hackers exist? (Almost nil.) > How many women are experts at cars? (Even less.) > How many women go to raves WITHOUT their boyfriends? (About 10%.) > How many women play the guitar? (Less than 10%.) > How many women are famous DJs? (I could count them on one hand.) > > The simple fact is this: women are afraid of technology. I'm not one of > those bigots that thinks they should be making babies and cooking > dinner. (Quite the opposite...it's hard to get a date in my social > class.) But, maybe women should get off their asses and learn > technology, instead of learning fashion design and cooking and singing! > It's not our fault that women simply don't have an interest in it. > > -- > Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) ...and there was me hoping that Brendan finally learned NOT to generalize and give blatant statements! <:-) Jeez, you're gonna get your ass flamed to hell and back for statements like this! <:-) And it's justified!.. The world is NOT black/white for christ's sake, Brendan! When will you ever learn that? DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Yates Subject: Re: (orbital) Women and technology Date: 29 Mar 2000 16:44:26 -0500 The proportion of women to men in most areas is low, regardless of technology. Contrary to what Brendan states, this proportion is in no way related to a gender's inherent qualities: It is simply a consequence of the ways of the past. Thankfully, that's changing and I'm sure those proportions will be more balanced sometime in the future. For now, society is a work in progress. According to Brendan's reasoning, it's 1900; perhaps he's fallen victim to the Y2K bug ; ) -just another deplorable Lurker # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) NT/Linux Date: 29 Mar 2000 21:50:43 +0000 Ian Mahuron wrote: > > > A hacker should have known how to check if hotmail.com is running NT or > Unix. :P Just kidding. You could even use nmap's TCP/IP fingerprinting to > find out which OS is being run.. though I prefer not to do portscans on > Bill's boxen. Actually, www.netcraft.com is a good source. > I prefer to be called a 'geek'. The word 'hacker' has too many negative > connotations (fuxing media!). The word geek has more negative connotations than hacker. A geek is just a lesser form of a nerd in my book. Again, I'm subbed on this list, so ya don't have to reply to me directly. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Women and technology Date: 29 Mar 2000 21:56:32 +0000 Chris Yates wrote: > > The proportion of women to men in most areas are low, regardless of > technology. Contrary to what Brendan states, this proportion is in no > way related to a gender's inherent qualities. It is simply a > consequence of the ways of the past. Thankfully, that's changing and > I'm sure will be more balanced sometime in the future. For now, > society is a work in progress. Errr...there are 52% women in the US and 48% men. That's almost even. In terms of working women, there's plenty of them out there now, too. I'd say it's about even, too. > According to Brendan's mind, it's 1900; perhaps he's fallen victim to > the Y2K bug ; ) Ummmm...if I thought that, I wouldn't be pushing women to get out in the technological workplace. That statement makes no sense. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Women and technology Date: 29 Mar 2000 21:49:45 +0000 Jon Green wrote: > > Marc's on the pull! ;-) Now it's that goddamn attitude that shuns women from posting here! Shut your mouth, Jon, and be polite to the lady! -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian Mahuron" Subject: RE: (orbital) Concatenated response on the LINUX thing Date: 29 Mar 2000 14:03:03 -0800 I'd like to throw in my $00.02USD on this whole UNIX thing: * Most opensource unixes don't have a threaded tcp-ip stack because they have only begun to support threads at the kernel level. It's a matter of adoption time. It can't be that big of a deal anyways.. look at ftp.cdrom.com transfer stats. * There's nothing wrong with apache or its performance. That's probably why some of the most heavily hit sites run apache. I don't feel like paying $1,699USD for Zeus either. * Unix/Linux is not for your average end user. Every OS has its purpose. I run FreeBSD and it makes an excellent server. But I prefer NT for my general purpose workstation. I like to program under FreeBSD.. but that's about it for end user type stuff. * Fuck Mindcraft. Any IT professional with half a brain has time to evaluate products themselves. Speed isn't everything. Think stability... NT doesn't come to mind. Bring on the flames baby! Ian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Women and technology Date: 30 Mar 2000 00:13:07 +0000 > > At 15:37 29/03/00 -0500, Marc Sawaya wrote: > > > >Ok, that's the last I plan to say about that. Julie, tell us a little > bit > >about yourself = ). How long have you been into Orbital, or on > >this list? How'd you get into Orbital, etc? > > Marc's on the pull! ;-) > Yeah! 8) Just thought the same thing (again! ;-D What he's actually doing is SEXIST! >:-) He's querying her cause she IS a woman!.. If everyone is to be treated equally, this is as much sexist as brendan's statement! >:-) ...and this is what i hate about feminism, they wanna be treated like guys where they feel oppressed, but most women ABSOLUTELY don't mind old rolemodels when it's about killing spiders, fixing stuff, making compliments and generally being 'treated like a lady' >:-) Atleast here in Germany!.. DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: Re: (orbital) Women and technology Date: 29 Mar 2000 17:18:14 -0500 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > Jon Green wrote: > > > > Marc's on the pull! ;-) > > Now it's that goddamn attitude that shuns women from posting here! Shut > your mouth, Jon, and be polite to the lady! Brendan's on the pull! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) picking up chicks (huh,huh) Date: 29 Mar 2000 17:29:03 -0500 deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: What he's actually doing is SEXIST! >:-) He's querying her cause she IS a woman!.. If everyone is to be treated equally, this is as much sexist as brendan's statement! >:-) Yeah right! Like we never talk about how we got into Orbital. This topic is usually the first thing a de-lurker addresses, and I just thought some people might have been cheated out of that by de-lurking to join a flamewar. Plus, it's always refreshing to get a female's perspective on this sort of thing. I need tips on how to get my girl friends into Orbital, it's bad enough that my 3 sisters hate techno because it's all I play = ). -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shaun Rader Subject: Re: (orbital) She blinded me with science Date: 29 Mar 2000 14:36:04 -0800 (PST) > P.S. What is Thomas Dolby doing these days? He rocked. http://digital.broadcast.com/dbeatnik/frame_interactive.html Check it out, I guess he has something to do with it.. you can remix Moby there too! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aimee couture Subject: Re: (orbital) Women and technology Date: 29 Mar 2000 17:49:46 -0500 >We've been blabbing with each other for a while, and Aimee hasn't been too active lately = P. that's because between juggling university and work and her relationships and trying to find a place to live for the summer because she's not going home, but staying to work instead.. aimee has been one hell of a busy seventeen year old =] and now.. back to my last essay of the year =] woohoo! aimee http://shush.com/aimee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Women and technology Date: 29 Mar 2000 22:57:01 +0000 deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: > > Yeah! 8) Just thought the same thing (again! ;-D > > What he's actually doing is SEXIST! >:-) > He's querying her cause she IS a woman!.. If everyone is to be > treated equally, this is as much sexist as brendan's statement! >:-) In defense of Marc, I understand exactly what he's doing. He's not trying to get a date, like you horndogs want to imply. He simply wants more female imput on these conversations. The ratio is really low and that needs to change. -YOUR- comments, not Marc's, only push them back into the darkness! > ...and this is what i hate about feminism, they wanna be treated like > guys where they feel oppressed, but most women ABSOLUTELY don't mind > old rolemodels when it's about killing spiders, fixing stuff, making > compliments and generally being 'treated like a lady' >:-) Atleast > here in Germany!.. Excuse me, but you've lost me. WTF are you talking about?! -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Women and technology Date: 29 Mar 2000 22:58:03 +0000 Marc Sawaya wrote: > > Brendan's on the pull! ;-) NOBODY's on the pull! Shut the hell up! -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Women and technology Date: 30 Mar 2000 02:22:12 +0000 > Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 22:57:01 +0000 > From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper > Organization: Resonator Software > To: Orbital ML > Subject: Re: (orbital) Women and technology > > deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: > > > > Yeah! 8) Just thought the same thing (again! ;-D > > > > What he's actually doing is SEXIST! >:-) > > He's querying her cause she IS a woman!.. If everyone is to be > > treated equally, this is as much sexist as brendan's statement! >:-) > > In defense of Marc, I understand exactly what he's doing. He's not > trying to get a date, like you horndogs want to imply. He simply wants > more female imput on these conversations. The ratio is really low and > that needs to change. -YOUR- comments, not Marc's, only push them back > into the darkness! > Ah come on! >:-) Chill out!.. We've all seen that a thousand times before on the net, wherever women pop up they're queried EXACTLY like marc did it! 8) Just check IRC, join any chat-channel with a woman's nick and just watch the testosterone work the wonders of "communication"! >:-) And yeah, these people are ALL just helping women out, sure! <:-) And no, i haven't seen that much interest in anyone who de-lurked before, to react on what somebody else said! <:-) > > ...and this is what i hate about feminism, they wanna be treated like > > guys where they feel oppressed, but most women ABSOLUTELY don't mind > > old rolemodels when it's about killing spiders, fixing stuff, making > > compliments and generally being 'treated like a lady' >:-) Atleast > > here in Germany!.. > > Excuse me, but you've lost me. WTF are you talking about?! > Sorry, my bad!.. I just realized that the term 'rolemodel' was used in a wrong way, what i meant was 'old gender-stereotypes'! <:-) It's just that the german word "rollenmodell" does NOT translate to "rolemodel" in english ("Vorbild"in german!), even though they sound so similar! 8) Does it become any clearer now what i was saying? 8) DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) mp3, censorship, record companies and replies Date: 30 Mar 2000 02:00:02 +0000 Here's my final cents about the topic (for now! 8-P ): Steve wrote: > I love the idea of try before you buy - mp3s extend this idea and its great > finding live bootlegs and rare - hardtofind stuff. I think that most record > companies can handle this kind of piracy but the smaller labels that are > independent (like Bobby Birds Headphone) obviously suffer a lot from mp3 > trading. Yeah, read below! > Most people i know will at least buy the album or ep if they like the mp3s - > if everyone did this then i guess we wouldnt be having this discussion now. > I am certainly no angel in this respect because there is only so much money > in the pot so to speak :) Hehe, nice to see someone as honest as to admit it! ;-D Especially from you being known as not quite the mp3-advocate! 8) > Nothing anyone can do about mp3 trading/piracy in my view - its here - its > not getting any smaller - i guess the big boys will survive and the smaller > companies may not. I really do believe that if you can get the release and > you like it that much then you should pay up and give some money back. The > record company always pays the artist an advance for each album depending on > the previous sales and their future scope. > Yeah, and now the small labels need to SEE and USE the chance!!.. The Majors make fools of themselves trying to fight it, but we all know they cannot win since Elvis has left the building and there's no way he'll ever come back! (see what nice speech figures i make up just to not bore you by repeating myself with the "genie" phrase! ;-D Not it's time for the minor labels to do what the majors have overlooked, namely USE the net and mp3 for their purposes! What's the big problem with minor labels? They mostly make great music, but the problem is the AVAILABILITY!.. Now i agree with you that if people leech their stuff as mp3s it will hurt them more than the majors, but how many of the independant-favoring people just love the MUSIC and not the collectordom and would be so pleased if they could just download the stuff with a simple click? Remember that i talked about the problem with digital copies? Well, here it can be an ADVANTAGE, as minors simply neither have the marketing power nor the money to have their stuff spread like the majors do, in every single shop!.. Remember indy-labels are not about making something seem elite through only producing some thousands of one album, they're about INDEPENDANCE!.. FREEDOM for the musicians to do their thing! So now they DO have the instrument to spread their stuff prolly QUICKER, CHEAPER and WIDER than the majors through digital distribution! 8) And i sure do pray that they realize this situation, they now have their ticket to kick the majors bigtime!.. And i'm not talking about online-recordstores here! ;-D One more word about leeching mp3s of songs that are available everywhere: Everyone go leech as much of this stuff as possible, cause every Backstreet-boys-song leeched is a Backstreet-Boys song not bought, and who will feel that the most? the majors, cause it's in 90% of the cases THEM that produce this shit! >:-) > Deekay - one thing to say is that Paul Hartnoll likes a joke - believe me > because i know him, i have witnessed his sense of humour and if you read > most interviews there is a lot of Pauls humour in them. A chance for him to > joke about record companies and i am sure he will jump at it. Who wouldnt > joke about their boss or owners ? :) Its one of his best attributes - a good > sense of humour. He needs one - he works in the music business! > Hehehe! ;-D You pretty much contradicted yourself there in the last sentence! ;-D But other than that, i guess you know better than me so if you say he was ONLY joking, he prolly was.. 8) DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) mp3s (again) Date: 30 Mar 2000 01:17:21 +0000 deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: > > Yeah, and now the small labels need to SEE and USE the chance!!.. > The Majors make fools of themselves trying to fight it, but we all > know they cannot win since Elvis has left the building and there's no > way he'll ever come back! (see what nice speech figures i make up > just to not bore you by repeating myself with the "genie" phrase! ;-D > Not it's time for the minor labels to do what the majors have > overlooked, namely USE the net and mp3 for their purposes! > What's the big problem with minor labels? They mostly make great > music, but the problem is the AVAILABILITY!.. Now i agree with you > that if people leech their stuff as mp3s it will hurt them more than > the majors, but how many of the independant-favoring people just love > the MUSIC and not the collectordom and would be so pleased if they > could just download the stuff with a simple click? > Remember that i talked about the problem with digital copies? Well, > here it can be an ADVANTAGE, as minors simply neither have the > marketing power nor the money to have their stuff spread like the > majors do, in every single shop!.. Remember indy-labels are not about > making something seem elite through only producing some thousands of > one album, they're about INDEPENDANCE!.. FREEDOM for the musicians to > do their thing! > So now they DO have the instrument to spread their > stuff prolly QUICKER, CHEAPER and WIDER than the majors through > digital distribution! 8) And i sure do pray that they realize this > situation, they now have their ticket to kick the majors bigtime!.. > And i'm not talking about online-recordstores here! ;-D > > One more word about leeching mp3s of songs that are available > everywhere: Everyone go leech as much of this stuff as possible, > cause every Backstreet-boys-song leeched is a Backstreet-Boys song > not bought, and who will feel that the most? the majors, cause it's > in 90% of the cases THEM that produce this shit! >:-) > > Hehehe! ;-D You pretty much contradicted yourself there in the last > sentence! ;-D > But other than that, i guess you know better than me so if you say > he was ONLY joking, he prolly was.. 8) Your long first paragraph seems to be shot down with your second paragraph. You just contradicted yourself. Take your quote: "Everyone go leech as much of this stuff as possible, cause every BSB-song leeched is a BSB song not bought." Ummm...if that applies to BSB, doesn't that apply to everybody else. Why bother buying music if you can get it for free? There must be an incentive to buy this stuff if you are to be successful. Case in point: mIRC, the widely popular IRC client for Windoze, recently had its 10th registered user. In the span of two or three years, mIRC has had millions of unregistered users and 10 registered users. As much as I hate shareware, it does bring up a point: if you don't have a reason to buy something, nobody is going to buy it. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Henderson" Subject: (orbital) Re: Women and technology / the LINUX thing Date: 29 Mar 2000 19:08:08 -0700 Shall we combine these off-topic threads into one thread about Eunuchs? :) (sorry, had to do that...) Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "kulsoom a" Subject: Re: (orbital) Women and technology Date: 29 Mar 2000 11:21:35 PST > > >aimee couture wrote: > > > > > > > > i want to hire more girls for next year =] > > > > and i have a say in hiring now, so maybe i can help make that >happen. > > > > > >Don't be biased. It's not because men won't hire women. It's because > > >women don't bother. > > > > > >How many women are on this ML? (One.) > > uh make that two :P > > > > >How many women play video games? (2%.) > > >How many women hackers exist? (Almost nil.) > > >How many women are experts at cars? (Even less.) > > >How many women go to raves WITHOUT their boyfriends? (About 10%.) > > >How many women play the guitar? (Less than 10%.) > > >How many women are famous DJs? (I could count them on one hand.) > > > > > >The simple fact is this: women are afraid of technology. I'm not one >of > > >those bigots that thinks they should be making babies and cooking > > >dinner. (Quite the opposite...it's hard to get a date in my social > > >class.) But, maybe women should get off their asses and learn > > >technology, instead of learning fashion design and cooking and singing! > > >It's not our fault that women simply don't have an interest in it. > > > > why dont women just do what they want to do.. and not be told what to do. if someone likes fashion great. and if they like hacking then that is great too. > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) > > >Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru > > >Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) Double-X Gonosome Carriers... Date: 29 Mar 2000 23:07:56 +0000 Here's my stance on the matter: I think there women ARE different to men, whoever neglects that fact is either a raving blind feminist or just simply blind. There is scientific evidence that women THINK different to men, and afterall is the not-understanding of the opposite sex not what the "fight of the sexes" is all about? 8) >From what i remember the study said women have different thinking-patterns (which i think every man would subscribe to! 8) and they're (genetically) rather focused on the left brainlobe (emotions, creativity) while men are right-focused (ratio, straight thinking). The study also pointed out that women generally have a worse perception of distances (which prolly is where the often (by men!) quoted parking-disability comes from, though i gotta admit that i myself am not the best parallel parker in the world! <:-) while they excell in other areas. So my summary is: There ARE differences, and GENERALLY both women and men are genetically not ideally prepared for some things, while they're perfectly suited for others, but the genetic basis is just one aspect, so i say kudos to everyone who's "infiltrating" areas where the other sex dominates! 8) And everyone should have the RIGHT to do so, and this also includes that men should be allowed to do women's jobs if they want to, which is not always the case from what i heard!.. DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) She blinded me with science Date: 30 Mar 2000 00:18:54 +0000 > It depends on who your talking to. Unintelligence turns me off when I'm > talking to a woman. Totally subscribe to that! 8) > And you think hacking can't be sexy. Just look at > Angelina Jolie in Hackers. Sure, it was an unrealistic movie, but it > proves that you can look sexy and still be a hacker. > Argl! Dude, i guess even a loaf of bread would seem sexy if it were to use this unknown totally graphical mulitmedia-OS they used for their "hacking"! <:-) > -- > Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nub Subject: (orbital) some reviews and whatever Date: 29 Mar 2000 21:26:38 -0700 (MST) brenden blathered, > >it! Ugh! It totally goes against the principles of techno: > creativity and complexity in sound and composition. complexity, huh? tell that to richie hawtin. or eno. or a gazillion others. try adding an "imho" every so often, brenden. yeah, so despite the fact that his opinions (i don't even know if they're that - more like limited observations) on gender are downright 1950s and that i disagree with nearly every bluntly-stated word that farts off his keyboard, i couldn't help but respond to brenden's request on the following artists: > u-Ziq - Tango N Vectif his first (i think) album. actually not bad at all. it's definitely mike p., but before he discovered dnb. has a techno/electro/experimental feel to it. i tend to associate the sound with bluff limbo, which is about the same quality. expect about 1/3 good, 1/3 okay, 1/3 crap. > u-Ziq - In Pine Effect i listen to it and go "good" but it still doesn't tend to get a lot of play. a few classics on there, especially "phiesope." that one actually made me search out the kristin hersh song it was sampled from (good song!) sounds like what it is - the middle record of his career. > Tori Amos - To Venus And Back hmm. the new stuff or the live stuff? the new stuff sounds like "choirgirl" to me, but less interesting. i'm not down with her electronic sound, i think the first three (up to "pele") are by far her best. the live stuff is mostly very good. the version of "mr. zebra" is fricking excellent. > Goldie i don't really have an opinion on goldie, other than he mostly sucks. timeless bored me, but i think i'm in the minority. the only thing i wanted to mention is that today i bought his "INCredible sound of drum and bass" mix 2CD, used, for $9. review forthcoming. (basically i thought it would be a good way to check out various folks - dillinja, optikal, etc - without buying individual releases.) > Black Dog this was covered. i have bytes and spanners. i would agree with what aronne said, that it sounds like proto-plaid. i dunno, you can probably find them both used somewhere - i did (and in des moines, no less!) - i wouldn't pay full price. hey, has anyone heard of "the fireman"? i bought this thing today - if i recall correctly, it's an electronic collab between paul mccartney and someone else. i really like it. sounds a bit like the orb, with fewer beats and more melodies, and none of that mindless spoken sample crap i can't stand. well, okay, there's some of that, but mostly it's good shit. two final points on something about which i feel strongly: 1) it's women's fault they aren't taking the opportunities they've been given in technology and science? oh but then you admit that golly-gee beaver, it IS a male-dominated society we're living in. wull gosh, that's funny... am i the only one that sees a DC-10-size hole in this reasoning? 2) there's no longer any gender bias in the workplace? do you have any, ANY idea what the payrate discrepancy between men and women is, to this day, this grand day of supposed equality of the sexes? sorry to perpetuate the OTness, but for fuck's sake... nub # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) would somebody please Date: 30 Mar 2000 02:00:02 +0000 Actually this nice idea of benjib got totally overlooked through all the nt/linux, mp3 and women discussion!... Now it's time to share all your Collections and update the list! ;-D I'd have some corrections, too!.. What do you guys say? DeeKay P.S.: To whoever i sent the mail about the Gonosome Carriers to: please send it back or straight to the list, it was meant to go there in the first place (got NO clue who it actually DID go to!) > mornin' > > would somebody please > contact mr. lazlo who used to run the orbital discography (dead in late > 1997) > and ask if they can copy it and update it and create a new web home for it > dont have the link to hand any problems finding it pls ask > > i would take on the task but i am a vinyl-phobe (dont ask it a love/hate > thing) > i will definately help out whoever takes it on with scans and info on > orbital cds > compilation appearances and bootlegs > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julie Lynn Hill Subject: Re: (orbital) Women and technology Date: 30 Mar 2000 03:17:47 -0600 Marc Sawaya wrote: > Hi Julie! Great to have you de-lurk, too bad it had to be because of something > like this. Don't worry about it. At least it's something I can make some insightful comments on. :) I'll throw in another .02 on the topic tomorrow night or so too. I'm too tired to write coherently right now. > Ok, that's the last I plan to say about that. Julie, tell us a little bit about > yourself = ). How long have you been into Orbital, or on this list? How'd you get > into Orbital, etc? Inquiring minds want to know, as, Brendan pointed out, the > male/female ratio on this list is appalling. We want to know how the opposite sex > (or at least the specimens we have available = ) shares Orbital with is . We've > been blabbing with each other for a while, and Aimee hasn't been too active lately > = P. Lessee...been listening to Orbital for at least 3 years; been on the list for a couple of months now, I think I joined late last year. Don't remember. I got into them partially by stumbling onto Halcyon (classic!) and the Box (thank you, MTV, you did one thing right), and because I had the good fortune to make a friend that had good taste in music and pointed me in the right direction. I passed on the favor by creating an addict out of one of my friends this past summer. :) I'm also a denizen-of-the-night college student that really needs to GO TO SLEEP because I have to get up in 5 hours, so I'm just going to do that now. Fire away with more questions, I guess, if you really want to know. Julie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CD Rich Subject: Re: (orbital) some reviews and whatever Date: 30 Mar 2000 07:35:52 -0500 On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:26:38 -0700 (MST) Nub writes: > hey, has anyone heard of "the fireman"? i bought this thing today - if i > recall correctly, it's an electronic collab between paul mccartney and > someone else. i really like it. sounds a bit like the orb, with fewer > beats and more melodies, and none of that mindless spoken sample crap i > can't stand. well, okay, there's some of that, but mostly it's good > shit. The Fireman is Paul McCartney and Youth. They have released two CDs that I'm aware of - "Strawberries, Oceans, Ships, Forest" (1993) and "Rushes" (1998). CDRich CDs for sale or trade - new CDs added every Sunday: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/6749/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (orbital) Change e-mail address Date: 30 Mar 2000 15:26:35 +0200 Please note the change of e-mail address automat@offcampus.net DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mggallo@iib.uam.es Subject: (orbital) Orbital, do you remember? Date: 30 Mar 2000 13:33:28 -1200 TOO MANY people wrote > > > > Marc's on the pull! ;-) > > Now it's that goddamn attitude that shuns women from posting here! Shut > your mouth, Jon, and be polite to the lady! >Brendan's on the pull! etc, etc Well, i=B4m one of the WOMEN subscribed to this list and "THE REASON" i don= =B4t post (i dont want to generalize so i=B4ll speak for myself though i know som= e "male brains" in this ML might think the same)too often is my time is too precious to discuss this bullshit you are in most part of the time, and not because of some gennetically impaired mechanism that stops me from being interested in technology, as you call it: I do science, I DJ occasionally (quite well by the way) and go wherever i want without asking "my boyfriend". So just PLEASE STOP it, ok? MONICA (female member of the list number X) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Discography - new section added to Loopz Date: 30 Mar 2000 17:43:38 +0100 Its been a long time coming and yes it used to be on the old site. DISCOGRAPHY pages - COMPILATION section now open. The following pages have been added with a cover shot of the CD release and full information on the tracks featured plus additional detail on the cd itself. Technovisions - Golden Girls - "Kinetic (Orbital Remix)" Aural Playground - "Equinox" Survival 2000 - "Impact (The Earth is Burning) (Live)" Give Peace a Dance - The Shamen - "Hear Me Oh My People (Orbital Mix)" FFRR Gold on Black - "Chime (The Helium Mix)" Wipeout - "P.E.T.R.O.L" Survival - The Dance Compilation - "Choice (Eye and I Remix)" Spawn - The Album - "Satan" FFRR Classics - "Belfast (Original Mix)" and "Chime (Original Edit)" Shopping - "Crash and Carry" Help - "Adnan" Foundations - Coming up from the Street - "The Tranquilizer Busy Tranquilizing" Give Peace A Dance 3 - Psychotic Reactions - "Pied Piper - "Kinetic (Orbital Remix)" / "Open Mind (f.a.mix)" Sally Photographic Memory - "The Girl With The Sun In Her Head (Live)" The Serious Road Trip - "Impact / Remind (Live at Glastonbury 1994)" Trance Europe Express - "Semi-Detached" Tribal Gathering 95 - "Are We Here? (Who Are They?)" Regards Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) mp3s (again) Date: 30 Mar 2000 19:11:13 +0000 [snip] > > Your long first paragraph seems to be shot down with your second > paragraph. You just contradicted yourself. Take your quote: > > "Everyone go leech as much of this stuff as possible, cause every > BSB-song leeched is a BSB song not bought." > > Ummm...if that applies to BSB, doesn't that apply to everybody else. > Why bother buying music if you can get it for free? There must be an > incentive to buy this stuff if you are to be successful. > No, there's no contradiction there! 8) You didn't understand what i said: The Majors reject mp3 and digital distribution, so they won't profit from it anyway. The Independant labels need to make this way of distribution their preferred choice, cause then THEY can profit from it! I would much rather download a track right from the artist's/indy-label's Homepage for say ~$3 per Single/~$7 per Album (which would be still WAY more profit than they'd make of regular distribution!) than scanning the searchengines, IRC and FTPs for a specific rare indy-track track that i want OR search various small indy-recordstores in town OR mailorder the stuff! > Case in point: mIRC, the widely popular IRC client for Windoze, recently > had its 10th registered user. In the span of two or three years, mIRC > has had millions of unregistered users and 10 registered users. As much > as I hate shareware, it does bring up a point: if you don't have a > reason to buy something, nobody is going to buy it. Sorry, but that's hardly believable! >:-) I myself know one of the supposed ten guys who did, which would be almost impossible if you consider statistics! >:-) That number is so ridiculously small it is TOTALLY unbelievable! How many registered users does WinAMP and ACDsee have then according to you? 5? >:-) Plus mIRC has been around for MUCH longer than 3 years, i myself have been using it since 96 and AFAIR v5 was just released then... Shame on me for not registering it, too, but TEN (in supposed 7 years atleast) is a number i'll just NEVER believe with several millions of users!! Other than that, mIRC can be downloaded from anywhere, it needn't be searched for hours in doubtable FTPs and searchengines (napster is not well suited for indy-tracks! 8)... That's what differenciates it from mp3s in the first place! DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital, do you remember? Date: 30 Mar 2000 12:10:59 EST "Well, i´m one of the WOMEN subscribed to this list and "THE REASON" i don´t post (i dont want to generalize so i´ll speak for myself though i know some "male brains" in this ML might think the same)too often is my time is too precious to discuss this bullshit you are in most part of the time, and not because of some gennetically impaired mechanism that stops me from being interested in technology, as you call it: I do science, I DJ occasionally (quite well by the way) and go wherever i want without asking "my boyfriend". So just PLEASE STOP it, ok?" *hands Brenden a Kleenex* RIGHT ON, MONICA! No creo que la tema de la lista es "mujeres y technologia" tampoco!!! :-) La tema es Orbital! Bueno, recibiste mi correo sobre mmmmm...hace un mes? Lo mande, pero no se si lo recibiste, estaba ocupada, o algo. Rob, Presidente de Orbital Without Borders. hehehehe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbitario, usted recuerda? Date: 30 Mar 2000 19:01:07 +0000 Robert Schultz wrote: > > RIGHT ON, MONICA! No creo que la tema de la lista es "mujeres y technologia" > tampoco!!! :-) > > La tema es Orbital! Bueno, recibiste mi correo sobre mmmmm...hace un mes? Lo > mande, pero no se si lo recibiste, estaba ocupada, o algo. Roberto, salido el forzar de mí utilizar Babelfish, bastardo de habla hispana del ya! Sí, sé que es una cosa larga del apagado-asunto, pero apenas que piensa en cuántos hicieron estallar las mujeres repentinamente para arriba de su estatus del lurker. Podemos pasar quizá esta relación de transformación a 1:1 o algo cerca de él. Y no, no estoy intentando golpear en polluelos en este ML! The English-to-Spanish-to-English looks horrible, so I'm sure the Spanish doesn't look much better. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "benjib" Subject: RE: (orbital) Discography - new section added to Loopz Date: 30 Mar 2000 21:30:24 +0100 more scans available on request items listed are on cd only various - 013 ibiza sasha global underground gu:013 nothing left (breeder remix) various - alternator synchro 007 cd 1 open mind (funky alternative mix) various - aural playground p2 50005 equinox various - cold sweat din cd 36 chime crime various - criminal justice cdcrim1 impact usa various - dub house disco 2000 grcd 007 drum club - alchemy (phasers on dub mix) various - essential decade mm001 belfast (sasha vs the light remix) nothing left (breeder remix) various - foundations coming up from the streets fcl002cd the tranquiliser busy tranquilising various - the glastonbury broadcasts vol 1 nme-bbc glasto 99 chime 94 various - global cuts 2 gc26cd lush(1926 trancendance mix) various - gold on black 1990 828 207-2 chime various - help 828 682-2 adnan various - radio one sound city leeds 1996 citycd96 the box various - only for the headstrong 162 351 022-2 chime (ray keith mutation) various - platinum on black 697 124 005-2 impact(the earth is burning) various - roadkill 1.01 swc-cd-1.01 chime (j. mark andrus mix) various - sallys photographic memory sal cd001 the girl with the sun in her head various - sony/atv music remix sampler cdr nothing left (tsunami one remix) style (bagpipe mix) various - spawn the album 488118 2 orbital & kirk hammett satan various - survival 2000 tribe cd1 impact the earth is burning (live at glastonbury 94) various - survival the dance compilation grcd 008 choice (orbital i and eye mix) various - the beach motion picture soundtrack 4344 31079-2 beached various - the serious road trip mcd 11195 remind (live at glastonbury) various - trance europe express teex cd 1 semi-detached various - uk tribal gathering 95 828 452-2 are we here? (who are they?) various - wasted bov cd1 belfast/wasted various - wipeout sony tv 6 cd / 31-481119-10 wipeout (p.e.t.r.o.l.) various - wip3out the music arc/11b/10/99 know where to run benjib www.tapirindustries.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Henderson" Subject: (orbital) Do yourself a favor... Date: 30 Mar 2000 13:47:22 -0700 If you want to make yourself one killer Orbital live CD, take the live tracks from the various singles and slap them on one audio CDR. It's incredible!! The clarity of the recordings from the New York stuff on the Satan singles is excellent, in particular. This piece of useless opinion/information brought to you by: Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Henderson" Subject: (orbital) Live show recording questions Date: 30 Mar 2000 13:52:22 -0700 I have some questions about a couple of live Orbital show recordings: 1) If anyone out there has the Alexandra's Palace recording from 1996, does your copy of the show have Out There Somewhere? The one I have fades in with Choice, which was the second song in the actual setlist. 2) Does anyone that has the Leeds recording also have two songs truncated a bit short: Out There Somewhere and Dwr Budr. Also, is this recording only 5 tracks (Out There, Girl With..., Dwr Budr, Box 1, Box 2)? Thanks! Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: RE: (orbital) Discography - new section added to Loopz Date: 31 Mar 2000 00:38:08 +0100 Benjib I welcome contributions - it will save me a lot of time as the Orbital compilations are endless. I have tried to target the exclusive tracks found on compilations but naturally the end result should be to document any compilation i can find. There are a few other compilations that i can add but of the ones you listed - these are the ones that would save me a lot of time. various - 013 ibiza sasha global underground gu:013 nothing left (breeder remix) various - alternator synchro 007 cd 1 open mind (funky alternative mix) various - cold sweat din cd 36 chime crime various - criminal justice cdcrim1 impact usa various - dub house disco 2000 grcd 007 drum club - alchemy (phasers on dub mix) various - essential decade mm001 belfast (sasha vs the light remix) nothing left (breeder remix) various - the glastonbury broadcasts vol 1 nme-bbc glasto 99 chime 94 various - global cuts 2 gc26cd lush(1926 trancendance mix) various - radio one sound city leeds 1996 citycd96 the box various - only for the headstrong 162 351 022-2 chime (ray keith mutation) various - platinum on black 697 124 005-2 impact(the earth is burning) various - roadkill 1.01 swc-cd-1.01 chime (j. mark andrus mix) various - sony/atv music remix sampler cdr nothing left (tsunami one remix) style (bagpipe mix) various - wasted bov cd1 belfast/wasted various - wip3out the music arc/11b/10/99 know where to run If you wish to contribute then drop me an email and i can explain what detail i am trying to cover. Thanx in advance Steve Loopz Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jon Subject: RE: (orbital) Discography - new section added to Loopz Date: 30 Mar 2000 20:34:48 -0800 Was the "Friends of Matthew remix" of "Chime" listed anywhere in there? it's a DMC promo, I can post the details if anyone is interested. Jon At 09:30 PM 3/30/2000 +0100, you wrote: > >more > >scans available on request > >items listed are on cd only > >various - 013 ibiza sasha global underground gu:013 > >nothing left (breeder remix) > >various - alternator synchro 007 cd 1 > >open mind (funky alternative mix) > >various - aural playground p2 50005 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (orbital) Highway To Hell in Spain!!! Date: 30 Mar 2000 15:20:07 +0200 Gargin, Philip (Frankfurt) >> Yes, but not exactly in Madrid but in Leganes (a small town near Madrid). >> The street is called "calle AC/DC" (AC/DC street) and some people have >> robbed several times the sign. >> >I hear they're naming a street Mike Oldfield in Madrid as well! >He's my big music hero. >I have a Q interview with him and Orbital somewhere. The avenue is near the bullring 'La Cubierta', which, according the mayor of Leganes, will have eight streets and four spaces, so they will can named with the name of other local, national or foreing bands. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (orbital) the ever-ongoing mp3-discussion.. Date: 30 Mar 2000 15:25:09 +0200 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: >At least games are at a reasonable price. Not here in Spain where we have to pay some 8000 pesetas (US$48) for a PC, N64 or PS game. Paradoxically Sony spends a huge amount of million dollars to warn the consumers about illicit of programs and videogames piracy, and they don't invest that money in making to go down the price of the games in order to prevent that same piracy. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Old Plaid! Date: 31 Mar 2000 09:47:25 EST Hey people, Thanks to benjib for telling me about this. Info available at www.warp-net.com on a new 3CD Old Plaid release of their back catalogue!!! I already have the actual "Plaid" tracks, but the Balil stuff is awesome! There's a few more tracks that they left out too, and maybe I'll encode that and put it on Marc's server...Old School Plaid: Warp finally ties up the loose ends of Plaid's back catalogue with Trainer, a 3CD, quadruple vinyl chronological compilation of Ed and Andy's rarest material, including long-lost Latin-tech classic Scoobs In Columbia, the whole of the duo's super-scarce '91 album Mbuki Mvuki and six unreleased tracks including Uneasy Listening, the first track Plaid ever produced. Scheduled for release in late May/early June, the tracklisting is as follows: Plaid – Uneasy Listening Balil – Norte Route Balil – Rosary Pilots Plaid – Anything Atypic – Blah Balil - Avidya Plaid – Slice Of Cheese Plaid – Fly Wings Balil – Parasight Plaid – Link Balil – Whirling Of Spirits Balil – Island Plaid - Perplex Balil – Choke And Fly Tura – Letter Plaid – Summit Balil – Flux Tura – Soft Key Plaid – Bouncing Checks Atypic – Otaku Tura – Reishi Plaid – Yak Atypic – Pillars And Mirrors Plaid - Android Plaid – Scoobs In Columbia Balil – Small Energies Plaid – Angry Dolphin Plaid – Chirpy Atypic - Jolly Atypic - Prig Balil - Eshish I CANNOT WAIT for this one!!! Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Kraftwerk? Date: 31 Mar 2000 10:02:17 EST From www.brainwashed.com 's New Release section: JULY Kraftwerk - t.b.a. CD/LP (Kling Klang/EMI, Germany) What is this? Anyone know anything? (Josh?) Also, new Slag Boom Van Loon double coming out as well. Did the new Bola already come out? And finally, FSOL have supposedly unoffically broken up, citing extreme musical differences with their record company, Virgin. They have the album made, but are unable to release it. So, they may continue, just under and different moniker. Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: Re: (orbital) Live show recording questions Date: 31 Mar 2000 19:17:37 +0100 At 13:52 30/03/00 -0700, Mike Henderson wrote: > >1) If anyone out there has the Alexandra's Palace recording from 1996, does >your copy of the show have Out There Somewhere? The one I have fades in >with >Choice, which was the second song in the actual setlist. pretty sure OTS is on there - mine was taped from One FM a day or two after the event. I'll try and dig the tape out and check. >2) Does anyone that has the Leeds recording also have two songs truncated a >bit short: Out There Somewhere and Dwr Budr. As I recall, it was broadcast live, so they wouldn't have been able to edit anything for that, unless they re-broadcast it later. Or do you mean P&P did a shorter version on the day? I think they did, especially of OTS. >Also, is this recording only 5 >tracks (Out There, Girl With..., Dwr Budr, Box 1, Box 2)? Well I remember they did PETROL that night too, and Remind I think, but whether or not they were broadcast I don't know. Jon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) the ever-ongoing mp3-discussion.. Date: 31 Mar 2000 18:30:22 +0000 Der Automat wrote: > > Not here in Spain where we have to pay some 8000 pesetas (US$48) for a PC, > N64 or PS game. Paradoxically Sony spends a huge amount of million dollars > to warn the consumers about illicit of programs and > videogames piracy, and they don't invest that money in making to go down the > price of > the games in order to prevent that same piracy. $50 is reasonable. $300 isn't. (Like they do for applications that require less work than video games.) -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr. Telex" Subject: (orbital) OT : Kraftwerk and Other Stuff Date: 31 Mar 2000 15:47:07 GMT Well, release dates for the new Kraftwerk album have been floating around since 1988. ;-) The running joke is that it will be released on 4/1/00 . :-P >From Glenn Folkvords' EMusic site http://www.itsahit.com/emusic : >>>>>>New Kraftwerk album out soon? by Glenn Folkvord Following the release of December's Expo 2000 single, it is expected that= =20 the German techno pioneers will release a brand new album during during=20 2000. This album has been highly awaited for 13 years, although nothing i= s=20 certain - a statement from the core members of the band in 1999 about "a = new=20 album in the next century" leaves room for interpretation! However, EMI has confirmed a new album - in November 1999 the record comp= any=20 confirmed an album for a January 2000 release, and various other sources=20 have stated February or March as possible release dates. EMI Norway=20 confirmed early January a release for April 2000. But do not trust the ne= ws=20 until you have the new CD in hand; the road has not been without bumps fo= r=20 Kraftwerk while trying to release a new album. According to sources close= to=20 EMI, the band prepared In Motion for a 1994 release. This was a sort of=20 greatest hits album, and artwork was prepared, but the album was never=20 released. In 1996 Ralf H=FCtter revealed to EMI Japan that the band had n= ew=20 material for an album, which one year later apparently got rejected by EM= I.=20 Latest news is that a new album was presented to and accepted by EMI=20 sometime in 1999, with a release intended in the near future. The band=20 recently cancelled their one-off concert in June at the Expo 2000=20 convention. (END) ---- In the meantime, the long-awaited CD release of the Tour De France single= =20 has been out since July 1999; the Expo 2000 single has been out in German= y,=20 Switzerland, and Austria since December 6, 1999; it was released in March 2000 for the UK and Australia. I have uploaded the Expo 2000 single, along with the rare "Tone Float" al= bum=20 with Organisation and the first three Kraftwerk albums that have been=20 out-of-print since 1979 (there have have been boots of these around since= =20 1994) onto Marc's FTP (I accidentally uploaded Kraftwerk 2 twice, so plea= se=20 ignore the mistake ! :-). I also added some of Anne Dudley's solo work to the Art Of Noise folder.=20 There will definitely be more good stuff coming soon. On another note, my computer is really fucked up. Every time I shut my=20 computer down to clean my mouse out and then restart it later on, Win 98=20 always goes into safe mode, telling me that my mouse drivers are fucked u= p=20 (this is bullshit becuase I know that they're installed, and everyhitng i= s=20 listed as working fine in the device manager). If I try to boot up in the= =20 normal mode, the computer will automatically reset. After about a good tw= o=20 hours of this, the computer will finally be nice to me and start up in=20 normal mode. What the fuck is wrong ? (and don't tell me that it's time for me to buy = a=20 new computer; I know this already ! However, I don't have the money right= =20 now, so I have to deal with this current piece of shit !) Rob : You never cease to amaze me with your humor !!! You're such a fucki= ng=20 ham !!! You're the man. That really pisses me off about FSOL. Damn Virgin= =20 !!! - Josh (still laughing my ass off at "Orbital Without Borders" ) ;-P ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) mp3s (again) Date: 31 Mar 2000 18:39:45 +0000 Talking with a friend who heads LOUiPiMPS Records. Indie labels may not have a problem with big bad distros... We contract with an independent manufacturer to make our cd's for very very cheap. our distributor buys the cd's at about 1/2 price of what they sell at in retail stores. We still make like 600% profit or more. - Andrew ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 11:10 PM > "Andrew N. Aebersold" wrote: > > > > I got it this time. Very interesting conversation. I think people are > > more interested in helping out companies or people with a face (which is > > funny because the mirc guy has his face all over the program when it > > loads)...but They think that it doesn't hurt big corporate people when > > they don't buy the music... It's so cheap to make CD's I'd rather just > > sell them the cd than let them download the song. It seems so much easier > > to me? > > I would have thought you had to deal with the big bad 95%-profit distro > guys, too. Of course, if you get mail orders, that skips that end (I > think). Wait, you still have to have somebody to produce the CDs... > How does that work? -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital