From: =?iso-8859-1?q?DraneTwo?= Subject: (orbital) Items for sale Date: 31 May 2000 11:45:10 +0100 (BST) Apologies if this is a dupe mail but i dont think the last one made it. Got the following items for sale Nothing Left Promo 12 inch part 1 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=344922857 Nothing Left Promo 12 inch part 2 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=344924084 Bigpipe Style/An Fhomhair Promo 12 inch http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=344926860 DraneTwo :) ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S D Subject: (orbital) post rant Date: 31 May 2000 12:25:18 +0000 >woah. this isn't a normal childhood is this? was just me going off on one there... but I'm not sure I know what a normal childhood is, not that I mean that in a derogatory way ! There was an article in New Scientist I was reading at the time about the apparant changes in the way we relate as we get older focused mostly on young teenagers, and also theres mixed feelings about manufactured boy/girl bands depending mostly on your age too. Just one of those facts of life I guess, but it gets me thinking sometimes. Cheers, -- -- Mark S D "Farmer, pointing the way, with a radish." - Issa. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "kulsoom a" Subject: (orbital) Time article and shockwave Date: 06 Jun 2000 21:56:06 PDT http://www.time.com/time/daily/special/photo/rave/ its on ecstacy. is the rave scene how they depict it? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?DraneTwo?= Subject: (orbital) 1 day left for 4 rare Orbital items for sale Date: 07 Jun 2000 16:51:28 +0100 (BST) Orbital - Radiccio PROMO - LIXDJ1- Halcyon http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=344644788 ORBITAL - Nothing Left - Promo 12 inch part 2 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=344922857 ORBITAL - Nothing Left - Promo 12 inch part 1 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=344924084 ORBITAL - Promo 12 inch - Bigpipe Style/An Fh http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=344926860 DraneTwo ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr M" Date: 08 Jun 2000 13:49:02 BST Please check out my new tune and download it if you like it.... Click the web link below - or visit www.getoutthere.bt.com go to "music" then "charts" and search for "spike - dark project"! Thanks in advance.... Tony http://www.getoutthere.bt.com/music/shared/index_charts.cfm?gototrack=1975 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nub Subject: (orbital) towatei fans? Date: 08 Jun 2000 10:35:20 -0600 (MDT) picked up towa tei - 'last century modern' a few days ago. i think it's his most solid release so far. less hiphop/r&b than 'sound museum,' which is definitely a good thing. it's got the same loungey techno feel of his previous efforts, and all the funkadelic beats you've come to expect. there's a bit more dnb than usual, a bit of idm-ish stuff thrown in for fun, and an excellent track called "congratulations" with the sample "congratulations... on the finest... turn... table in the world!" top stuff - recommended. where the hell is everyone? nub # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aimee couture Subject: Re: (orbital) towatei fans? Date: 08 Jun 2000 11:34:38 -0700 (PDT) i'm alive. finished first year university in mid/late april started working full time at the beginning of may been insanely busy ever since now i'm trying to decide on plans for next year. aimee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) I'm back! Date: 08 Jun 2000 18:41:13 +0000 As if anybody missed me. My domain name was down for a while because Network Solutions sucks donkey balls! In any case, did I miss anything major? -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shaun Rader Subject: Re: (orbital) I'm back! Date: 08 Jun 2000 12:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Orbital released a live CD exclusively for the mailing list subscribers (which contained some demo tracks from tracks from their upcoming album as well). Other than that you didn't miss much. I'M KIDDING (you were scared huh?) --- Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > > As if anybody missed me. My domain name was down for a while because > Network Solutions sucks donkey balls! In any case, did I miss > anything major? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike George" Subject: RE: (orbital) towatei fans? Date: 08 Jun 2000 15:50:13 -0400 I'm about to, working way to much =P Oh I am moving to Charlotte NC, anyone there ? Mick ^EA^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: RE: (orbital) towatei fans? Date: 08 Jun 2000 16:13:44 EDT Awwww man! So you won't be in Boston anymore? :-( You sellout! ;-) Rob ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lysergic maximus Subject: (orbital) OT: St. Louis Question Date: 08 Jun 2000 23:24:41 -0500 greetings all and apologies for the all too frequent crosspost, Can anyone recommend decent music stores in St. Louis, especially one that would carry eclectic vinyl? used would be great but new is cool as well. thanks to all for the time. oh, reason of course, is that i have a trip planned to st. louis next week... any suggestions for things you would not want to miss while visiting st. louis are welcome as well. lysergic # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "e. lanum" Subject: Re: (orbital) OT: St. Louis Question Date: 09 Jun 2000 05:37:09 GMT try vintage vinyl and deep grooves, both are on like the 6300 block of delmar in university city. vintage has a pretty huge and varied selection as far as for things to do ttheres a shitload depending on what your into sports, the arch, union stations prretty cool, there are also some good clubs, cheetah and velvet on washington street hope this helps ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "e. lanum" Subject: (orbital) ot memphis Date: 09 Jun 2000 05:42:09 GMT btw is anyone on here going to the sasha/digweed show in memphis on saturday? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nub Subject: (orbital) turntables, etc. Date: 09 Jun 2000 11:17:29 -0600 (MDT) i know we've all seen this one before, but i could use some help here... i've been shopping around for dj equipment - turntables, 2-CD players, mixers - and, as i'm new to this, i'm discovering that i know little about what separates the good from the bad. technics 1200s are pricey (duh), and don't have some of the features i'm looking for (pitch blend, reverse, line out options?), so i'm looking into some gemini and numark direct drives at about $300-375 (US) a pop. could anyone tell me their personal experiences with non-technics turntables, or give me a url that has reviews or comparisons? the only good one i've found was mostly european brands that are unavailable (and/or expensive) in the states. i'm just looking for something quality that isn't gonna cost me a nut. does the concept of PLUR piss off anyone around here? it seems to piss off people on the idm-list, which i find very upsetting. anyway. speaking of the idm-l (and getting back on-topic!) somebody mentioned _very_ briefly an audio project that orbital might be involved in called "the fire this time." that's all i know about it, and a google search brought no useful information. anyone heard of this? plur, nub # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony N Gall Subject: Re: (orbital) ot memphis Date: 09 Jun 2000 18:02:59 -0500 (CDT) On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, e. lanum wrote: > btw is anyone on here going to the sasha/digweed show in memphis on > saturday? Oh, so this is for real? I heard it before, but thought it a rumor...I live in Chicago and I'm carless, so I doubt I can go. But I am going to see John Digweed tonight :) -Anthony # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Belbin Subject: (orbital) orbital at meltdown Date: 10 Jun 2000 17:05:45 +0100 I just got sent a guide from the Royal festival hall, which included the following bit about the bro's: "lea Andersaon choreagraphs a work for a newly-commissioned score by Orbital, performed by the all female Cholmondeleys. lea is a choreographer with a cult following and has worked onm pop promos, adverts and films including Velvet Goldmine where she taught Ewan macgregor how to move like Iggy Pop. This is Orbitals first ever work for dance" Sounds fun. The evening also has a somebody else dancing to a new piece by Scott Walker. Double fun. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: Re: (orbital) turntables, etc. Date: 11 Jun 2000 11:59:15 BST >i know we've all seen this one before, but i could use some help here... > >i've been shopping around for dj equipment - turntables, 2-CD players, >mixers - and, as i'm new to this, i'm discovering that i know little about >what separates the good from the bad. technics 1200s are pricey (duh), and >don't have some of the features i'm looking for (pitch blend, reverse, >line out options?), so i'm looking into some gemini and numark direct >drives at about $300-375 (US) a pop. could anyone tell me their personal >experiences with non-technics turntables, or give me a url that has >reviews or comparisons? the only good one i've found was mostly european >brands that are unavailable (and/or expensive) in the states. i'm just >looking for something quality that isn't gonna cost me a nut. In Future Music they did a review of three non-technics turntable set-ups, I think it was Numark, Gemini and Soundlab where the Soundlab came away as the best quality turntable at its price. Don't remember the issue number, but I'll look it up for you if you want. I've got the DLP32S, and it has only received good reviews everywhere I've looked (Future Music, XFADE, DJ Mag) so that influenced my choice as a beginner who also thinks Technics was a bit pricey. Regards, Trym "Sometimes at night, I used to reach out and try to touch the stars" Trym - trym@apolloproject.co.uk - http://www.apolloproject.co.uk/ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael 'Maxx' Porter" Subject: (orbital) Re: [CZ] OT: St. Louis Question Date: 09 Jun 2000 10:13:25 -0500 Vintage Vinyl in the loop (University City on Delmar) At 11:24 PM 6/8/00 -0500, lysergic maximus wrote: >greetings all and apologies for the all too frequent crosspost, > >Can anyone recommend decent music stores in St. Louis, especially one that >would carry eclectic vinyl? used would be great but new is cool as well. >thanks to all for the time. > >oh, reason of course, is that i have a trip planned to st. louis next >week... any suggestions for things you would not want to miss while >visiting st. louis are welcome as well. > >lysergic > > end **************************************************************************** ************* Worry is like a rocking chair - it gives you something to do but it doesn't get you anywhere. -Dorothy Galyean **************************************************************************** ************* Michael "Maxx" Porter Vice President Paradox Studios Inc. mailto:maxxwell@theparadox.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Wake Up! Date: 08 Jun 2000 13:46:56 EDT Yo, Where has this list gone? Sometimes I wonder if I was unsubscribed from it! My attempts at urging conversation on this list have failed, especially with the New Kids on the Block thing. ;-) Speak people! Orbital haven't died! Rob ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dance S Paterson Subject: (orbital) Re: (orb) OT: St. Louis Question Date: 09 Jun 2000 16:14:50 -0400 Its been a wile but there was an electric veinal store in the U City Loop. If you are in downtown its a ride but I got some good stuff from there. Good luck. bro ps, I read the rules, im not sure if I can mention my web site, can I? > greetings all and apologies for the all too frequent crosspost, > > Can anyone recommend decent music stores in St. Louis, especially > one that > would carry eclectic vinyl? used would be great but new is cool as > well. > thanks to all for the time. > > oh, reason of course, is that i have a trip planned to st. louis > next > week... any suggestions for things you would not want to miss while > visiting st. louis are welcome as well. > > lysergic > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?DraneTwo?= Subject: (orbital) FS: Omen Remixes 12 Inch and Bigpipe Style Promo 12 Inch Date: 11 Jun 2000 15:13:02 +0100 (BST) Omen Remixes 12 Inch - Rare http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=355312291 Bigpipe Style / An Fhomhair - 12inch Promo http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=355311548 DraneTwo drane2@yahoo.co.uk ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) problems with the list Date: 12 Jun 2000 11:38:36 EDT Hello all, I think there's a problem with the list. It's a technical problem too, not a problem with Brendan or anything ;-) I posted that "Wake Up!" email about a fricken weak ago, and it just got to me today! There has to be something wrong with that. Later, Rob ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julie Lynn Hill Subject: Re: (orbital) Wake Up! Date: 12 Jun 2000 11:46:42 -0500 Doing my part to liven things up...now to see if this takes 5 days to show up. I was thrilled to find a local bar that plays Orbital this weekend. Maybe not such a big deal to some, but around here, finding a place like this is like pulling teeth. Went out with some friends, and one wanted to drop by her favorite watering hole - I'd never been there before, and they were playing the Propellerheads when we came in. I was floored; then my friend went on to inform me that they play all sorts of good stuff there - big band and jazz up through blues and electronic and alternative rock. She walked in the other night to "The Girl With The Sun in Her Head". Plus this place has a funky atmosphere and isn't the typical packed meat market that most other campus bars are. Yay for culture! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "benjib" Subject: (orbital) trying to create a searchable orbital (and others) discography Date: 12 Jun 2000 19:13:14 +0100 mornin' only catelogued a bit so far and the asp selection is a bit limited at the mo - but im working on it wip version www.tapir.madvision.co.uk/mmm/psonil.htm (if its not working its because i tweak the code live) also more orbital bootlegs (another 4 are on the way soon!!!!!!!!!!) www.tapir.madvision.co.uk/231008/bootleg.htm finally more boots of other electronic bands autechre/boards of canada/funkstorung etc. have fun benjib www.tapirindustries.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) problems with the list Date: 12 Jun 2000 19:21:09 +0000 Robert Schultz wrote: > > Hello all, > > I think there's a problem with the list. It's a technical problem too, not a > problem with Brendan or anything ;-) Bloody hell! I've been off of the list for about a month and a half and you are STILL bitching about me! I'm must be famous or something... -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "benjib" Subject: (orbital) more bootlegs Date: 13 Jun 2000 19:47:46 +0100 mornin' might as well just keep postin' to the list - even thou it seems dead for those interested got a love boot of orbital at the sonar festival in spain last year nice versions of dr.who and the box (compared to others from the 99 tour) nicely tacked onto the end is an interview from irish radio that last near on 40 mins (10 mins is the long version of the box) also if anyone is bothered i have seen for £25 the burgundy boxed promo of the box basically a copy of insides/a copy of the box single and a video all in a tough burgundy box with gold orbital atom squiggle on the front anyone off to the thing on saturday night on the south bank? best dust down my trusty mic erm to record the football off telly easy now benjib www.tapirindustries.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Wake Up! Date: 12 Jun 2000 19:19:44 +0000 Robert Schultz wrote: > > Yo, > > Where has this list gone? Sometimes I wonder if I was unsubscribed from it! > My attempts at urging conversation on this list have failed, especially with > the New Kids on the Block thing. ;-) > > Speak people! Orbital haven't died! What are you talking about? What NKotB thing? I've noticed that it's been pretty techno related so far. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Meltdown 2000 and Glastonbury 2000 Date: 14 Jun 2000 07:19:37 +0100 All I saw someone mention Meltdown 2000 with new tunes by Orbital - they will be at the event in person this Saturday and Sunday. Despite the fact the England need to wop Germanys ass in the European Football , i will be going to Meltdown this Saturday in the hope that they have screens/tvs like they did at John Peels Meltdown. Ok...i am rambling now. If anyone is going Saturday to Meltdown then give me an email at webmaster@loopz.co.uk ALSO....any meetups at this years Glastonbury 2000 then email me as well. Should have my tickets for this tomorrow :) Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "morpheus" Subject: Re: (orbital) Meltdown 2000 and Glastonbury 2000 Date: 14 Jun 2000 00:41:54 -0700 > > I saw someone mention Meltdown 2000 with new tunes by Orbital - they will be > at the event in person this Saturday and Sunday. Despite the fact the > England need to wop Germanys ass in the European Football , Yeah, because they lost to my team Portugal. YEAH! Since there is really nothing going on on the list right now. I will give a short review of the NIN concert I just got back from. (hey, he is some what electronic since it's mainly all made on keyboards and computers) It was fuckin' amazing. By far the best concert I've ever been too. Yes, it was better than Orbital. Trent Reznor has amazing stage presence. A Perfect Circle kicked ass too, and speaking of ass, Maynard let us see his. There was wicked screens that looked like they were LCD or something, they weren't projected. They played more old stuff than new stuff. And it was all too perfect. If anyone wants to know more, mail me! take care kevin aka morpheus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) Wake Up! Date: 14 Jun 2000 08:57:32 EDT If somebody has my review of "Hangin' Tough" could you please forward it to Brendan? Thanks, Rob ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Meltdown 2000 and Glastonbury 2000 Date: 14 Jun 2000 19:42:59 +0000 morpheus wrote: > > Yeah, because they lost to my team Portugal. YEAH! Since there is really > nothing going on on the list right now. I will give a short review of the > NIN concert I just got back from. (hey, he is some what electronic since > it's mainly all made on keyboards and computers) It was fuckin' amazing. Yeah, I was quite pleased with his latest album. I thought I was going to be disappointed because it was a double-album (like I was with LTJ Bukem's latest; only two damn songs that I really like), but it's probably his best one yet. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arfie Mansfield" Subject: Re: (orbital) Meltdown 2000 and Glastonbury 2000 Date: 14 Jun 2000 21:38:01 +0000 >I will give a short review of the NIN concert I just got back from. NIN? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr M" Subject: (orbital) Re: New music Date: 15 Jun 2000 08:41:22 BST Can I bother you to check out my tune people? http://www.getoutthere.bt.com/music/shared/index_charts.cfm?gototrack=1975 It's my first mp3 and I should by grateful of any comments... Many Thanks Tony ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Henderson" Subject: (orbital) Chicane Halcyon? Date: 15 Jun 2000 08:28:30 -0600 I noticed an upcoming cd single release by Chicane with the tracks "Halcyon" and "Halcyon (Airscape Remix)" -- are these at all related to our beloved +ON+ON? Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: Re: (orbital) Chicane Halcyon? Date: 15 Jun 2000 19:03:07 +0100 At 08:28 15/06/00 -0600, Mike Henderson wrote: > >I noticed an upcoming cd single release by Chicane with the tracks >"Halcyon" >and "Halcyon (Airscape Remix)" -- are these at all related to our beloved >+ON+ON? Hope not - Chicane are awful! I guess it could be some piss-poor rip-off though. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Skip Acuff" Subject: Re: (orbital) Chicane Halcyon? Date: 15 Jun 2000 11:39:44 -0700 Got to stand up for Chicane. He/she/they do some excellent prog house, e.g., their brilliant, haunting remix of Billy Ray Martin's "Honey" could make even a hard heart cry. Ditto for Salt Water. Betcha the Hartnolls like them, too. >>> Jon Green 06/15/00 11:03AM >>> At 08:28 15/06/00 -0600, Mike Henderson wrote: > >I noticed an upcoming cd single release by Chicane with the tracks >"Halcyon" >and "Halcyon (Airscape Remix)" -- are these at all related to our beloved >+ON+ON? Hope not - Chicane are awful! I guess it could be some piss-poor rip-off though. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital NOTE: This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this E-Mail or by telephone at (602) 262-5311. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mehul Parekh" Subject: Re: (orbital) Chicane Halcyon? Date: 15 Jun 2000 20:27:16 -0000 Chicane is a he, and Halcyon has nothing to do with Halcyon+on+on...not a bad track though...if you get a chance, try to check it out. I actually dont mind the album in its entirety. I heard Hybrid's 'Wide Angle' which (for those who dont know) will be issued as 'Wider Angle' and will have a lot of live stuff apparently. They supposedly put on a great show live. Inform me if anyone's seen them. I downloaded Unfinished Symphony (the live version) and it sounds great. I also heard the first track of BT's 'movement in still life' with the guy talking about making hits or something and i was totally turned off by it. hi everybody...again. Mehul Parekh I __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AJ Miyagi Brustein Subject: Re: (orbital) Chicane Halcyon? Date: 15 Jun 2000 22:09:14 -0400 Hey Orbital. Been a while since I posted. My apartment got broken into and both my computers got stolen (along with 4 years of my life...) and a bunch of other stuff. Plus I moved and Bel Atlantic took their damn time to install a phone line for me so I couldn't connect anyway. Boston sucks. (Rob - I just moved to Brookline though - Do you know Dexter Park on St. Pauls Street? It is sooo awesome!) Anyway, I'm around again. Oh, and I just wanted to say to Mehul that the first 4 tracks off BT's Movements in Still Life aren't that good, but then at the 5th trrack the mood totally changes. Actually, the last two tracks are my favorite. Satelite and sometihng else. But, don't waste your money on the 2CD set if you come across it. I don't like the 2nd CD, especially since it is the same as the first pretty much. Anyway, BT is awesome, but I think more Moby fans are turned on to him than Orbital fans (Brendan...) Anyway, later. AJ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Price (LOOPZ)" Subject: (orbital) Loopz - Major updates Date: 15 Jun 2000 00:16:46 +0100 (If you want to continue receiving infrequent mailings on Orbital/Loopz updates then join the MAILING list on the www.loopz.co.uk site). All Anyone heading to Meltdown or Glastonbury and want to meet up then drop me an email at webmaster@loopz.co.uk. Lets see how many are interested. Anyway...A major update on the site - when someone asked for MORE videos i decided that it was time to get a few up there :) Lush, Are We Here ?, Halcyon and Satan (Live on Jools Holland) all added. Orbital remixed the Japanese group Confusion in 1994. Not many people knew that and even Loopz didnt acknowledge it. We have waited all this time to get our hands on our own personal copy. Thanx to Naoya Kozaki for helping me get the CD. More info on this rare remix can be found in the Discog section and there are samples also online. Loopz was fortunate to receive ".Net website of the week" award. .Net are a renowned UK internet magazine so this was very good news. We also got an gold award from Elm Design - really appreciate acknowledgements like this. :) An amazing flash intro has been added. Created by Chris Herz - it has to be seen. It should take no more than 2 mins to load on the slowest modem. The countdown will start when it is LOADING...if no countdown appears then you need to get the FLASH plugin for your browser. Check the UPDATES sectin for the full info on the site. Use the FORUMS and sign the GUESTBOOK. See u at Meltdown & Glastonbury :) Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk (summary of updates) INTRO added - FLASH INTRO added. - amazing work and worthy of its status on Loopz. Designed by Chris Herz - Samples created by myself. CREDITS page amended - FLASH INTRO CREDITS added. AWARD pages upated - ELM DESIGN GOLD AWARD added FEEDBACK pages upated - .NET WEBSITE OF THE WEEK awarded to Loopz. Read the feedback from the respected magazine on the feedback pages. This was very good news and it made my day :) DISCOG pages - CONFUSION page added in the Remix section. Finally got my hands on this hard-2-find release from 1994. Orbital remix the Japenese duo - a classic remix. Big thanx to Naoya Kozaki for supplying me with this release. Samples (Mp3, Real Audio streaming/download) online. AUDIO (DISCOG) - CONFUSION samples added (Mp3, Real Audio streaming/download) online. VIDEO pages upated - LUSH video added - 2 different quality MPGS online - both full versions. VIDEO pages upated - HALCYON video added - 2 different quality MPGS online - both full versions. VIDEO pages upated - ARE WE HERE ? video added - 2 different quality MPGS online - both full versions. VIDEO pages upated - SATAN (LIVE ON JOOLS HOLLAND) video added - 2 different quality MPGS online - both full versions. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Roger Bucks" Subject: Re: (orbital) Chicane Halcyon? Date: 16 Jun 2000 17:58:42 BST On an Orbital note, our local HMV (in the UK) has an offer on CD singles - 5 for £5 or £1.99 each, and they had a couple of copies of Beached in. It may be worth checking your local HMV to see if they have the same offer... -- On the point of Hybrid's 'Wider Angle', it has already been released. I have a copy, and it's been playing whereever I am for the last 3 days. It's a 2 cd set, incorporating the original Wide Angle release and a 2nd CD with 6 live tracks, 2 non-live and the 12" of Kid 2000. So, I've now doubled the number of bands I _want_ to see live - Orbital & Hybrid. *wonders if Hybrid could support Orbital? That'd be some night* :). Back to lurking. -- >I heard Hybrid's 'Wide Angle' which (for those who dont know) will be >issued >as 'Wider Angle' and will have a lot of live stuff apparently. They >supposedly put on a great show live. Inform me if anyone's seen them. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Meltdown 2000 and Glastonbury 2000 Date: 16 Jun 2000 18:49:53 +0000 Arfie Mansfield wrote: > > NIN? Nine Inch Nails. Duh! I thought everybody knew that. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Hybrid and BT... Date: 16 Jun 2000 18:53:45 +0000 AJ Miyagi Brustein wrote: > > Anyway, I'm around again. Oh, and I just wanted to say to Mehul that the > first 4 tracks off BT's Movements in Still Life aren't that good, but > then at the 5th trrack the mood totally changes. Actually, the last two > tracks are my favorite. Satelite and sometihng else. But, don't waste > your money on the 2CD set if you come across it. I don't like the 2nd > CD, especially since it is the same as the first pretty much. Anyway, BT > is awesome, but I think more Moby fans are turned on to him than Orbital > fans (Brendan...) Anyway, later. Oh, I dunno about that. I have a few Hybrid and BT tracks on MP3 and they're great. BT's Blue Skies (with Tori Amos) is excellent, and I plan on buying Hybrid's Wide Angle (when I have some money). BTW, I'm sorry to hear about your break-in. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Ergotronik" Subject: (orbital) hey guys :-) Date: 17 Jun 2000 13:29:48 GMT Hey peeps, Josh here (the artist formerly known as "Juno", "NoiseWerker", "Mr.Telex") Well, just wanted to come back from the dead and say hi !!!! :-) Can't wait for Orbital to fuck shit up later on in the year 2000 (new album soon ???) Just listening to Kraftwerk right now in order to chill; speaking of which, it's ironic that Brendan has kept so quiet on this list lately, since the flame wars have been RAGING on the Kraftwerk list. Anyways.... Oh yeah; someone asked about tables :-) 1) Don't buy belt-drive EVER !!! 2) Don't buy used (unless they're Technics from what I hear) 3) Proper tone arm setup and needle/cartridge pressure is KING !!!! 4) Avoid coffins for travel, unless you're really buff, or you have a moving dolly nearby (you will break you back transporting your gear back and forth to gigs and shit). Buy individual flight cases if you can afford them. 5) Don't ever attempt to scratch a 7" . ;-P Well, must let my legs finish melting. ha ha ha ha - Josh ("A Jumbo Jack at one o' clock in the morning will never taste the same again". ;-) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) hey guys :-) Date: 17 Jun 2000 19:28:09 +0000 "Dr. Ergotronik" wrote: > > Just listening to Kraftwerk right now in order to chill; speaking of which, > it's ironic that Brendan has kept so quiet on this list lately, since the > flame wars have been RAGING on the Kraftwerk list. Well, that's just because I had been AWOL for about 1.5 months. Believe me...I would have flamed your asses if I felt it necessary :) -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "benjib" Subject: (orbital) Orbital Do Music For Girls With Big Date: 18 Jun 2000 23:44:17 +0100 lights just back from the south bank orbital score for dance - well its about 25 minutes long and not bad basic beats with two breakdowns one synthy the other sort of new york cop cars in the distance not too fluid - but did the job i thought it would be more along the lines of "out there somewhere?" - wasnt as scary or arty as stewart walkers piece if anyone is interested, err ive got this mate who caught the lot on minidisc and err will probably run it off into protools tomorrow and have finished mastering it by the end of the week - probably - top mate if anyone is interested paul was wearing a suitable summer shirt mostly blue, whilst phil was looking slightly warmer in a little black number have fun benjib www.tapirindustries.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) Hey, Mr. Booker! Argue against THIS! Date: 19 Jun 2000 02:36:08 +0000 http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index.html ...Wow! In-fucking-credbile! The amount of dirt in this on the RIAA and the recording industry is unbelievable... -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Henderson" Subject: (orbital) mini spam Date: 18 Jun 2000 23:00:27 -0600 If you're bored and have nothing to do on your Internet connection, check out my streaming "radio" channel: http://www.xmission.com/~myq It's basically my collection of synthy stuff: trance, techno, synthpop, symphonic electronica, etc. I did this so I could listen to 20GB of mp3s at work without having to put them on my work computer... Have fun(?) Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Garry Thompson Subject: (orbital) Event Horizon Date: 19 Jun 2000 08:58:35 +0100 What's the score which Orbital did for this film like, worth buying? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nub Subject: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #341 (all of it) Date: 19 Jun 2000 10:04:08 -0600 (MDT) > I also heard the first track of BT's 'movement in still life' with the > guy talking about making hits or something and i was totally turned off i just picked this up a couple days ago. at first i was like "ewww... bt's gone pop!" and i still think that's true, but it's growing on me. he still has an amazing way with production and attention to detail. so even though there's only a few or 4 songs i really like, i still appreciate the sound. the soul coughing guy annoys the fuck out of me though (sorry, i know that's probably blasphemy to some). yeah, so i'd sum it up with: great production, mediocre music. > Nine Inch Nails. Duh! I thought everybody knew that. *sigh*... uncalled for. > 2) Don't buy used (unless they're Technics from what I hear) it seems that the more people i ask, the more tell me "get technics, no matter what." at first i thought this was just bogus snobbery, but now i'm not so sure. is there anyone out there who has tried technics and, say, gemini pt-2000's, and thinks they are comparable? how about the numark TT-1's? one more dj equipment question: has anyone tried to mix on one of those dual cd player things? are they worth getting? i played with one once, don't know what kind, and had a hell of a time beat-matching, but maybe i wasn't using it right. if anyone has suggestions for good brands/features, i would be obliged. > minidisc and err will probably run it off into protools tomorrow and have > finished mastering it by the end of the week - probably - top mate okay, you MUST alert us when this becomes available. please. thank you. finally, i saw mixmaster morris (one of the best idm-ish djs out there) spin at Soma (in boulder, co) last night. it was pretty good, but sort of relentlessly downtempo. i always have trouble dancing to that stuff for more than an hour without almost falling asleep. but i must say, he has an amazing ability to flawlessly blend genres and different sounds. check him out if you're into that sort of thing. yes yes ya'll. nub # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #341 (all of it) Date: 20 Jun 2000 17:18:35 +0000 Nub wrote: > > i just picked this up a couple days ago. at first i was like "ewww... bt's > gone pop!" and i still think that's true, but it's growing on me. he still > has an amazing way with production and attention to detail. so even though > there's only a few or 4 songs i really like, i still appreciate the sound. > the soul coughing guy annoys the fuck out of me though (sorry, i know > that's probably blasphemy to some). yeah, so i'd sum it up with: great > production, mediocre music. Hmph! That's grounds for me killing you :) Somebody give this man an MP3 of Screenwriters' Blues. > > Nine Inch Nails. Duh! I thought everybody knew that. > > *sigh*... uncalled for. Ok, fine...so not everybody knows this internationally-known guy... > finally, i saw mixmaster morris (one of the best idm-ish djs out there) > spin at Soma (in boulder, co) last night. it was pretty good, but sort of > relentlessly downtempo. i always have trouble dancing to that stuff for > more than an hour without almost falling asleep. but i must say, he has an > amazing ability to flawlessly blend genres and different sounds. check him > out if you're into that sort of thing. Heh. Haven't heard anybody use the "mixmaster" prefix in a while. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?DraneTwo?= Subject: (orbital) 4 hours left - Omen Remixes 12 inch For Sale Date: 21 Jun 2000 09:17:18 +0100 (BST) Omen Remixes 12 Inch - very rare http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=355312291 + i am selling BigPipe Style/An Fhomhair limited promo 12 inch http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=355311548 DraneTwo ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Henderson" Subject: (orbital) Re: Hey, Mr. Booker! Argue against THIS! Date: 22 Jun 2000 07:09:39 -0600 > http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index.html > > ...Wow! In-fucking-credbile! The amount of dirt in this on the RIAA and the > recording industry is unbelievable... There is one part of her argument that I think is weak. She says that artists can go on the internet and get "millions of fans" buying their music and enjoying it, thus making it equitable for the artist. Okay Courtney, yeah, if you were to release your stuff cheaply on the net by yourself now, you'd do well. Why? Because you've been promoted around the world by your record label. Before that, you were famous because you were connected with Kurt Cobain, who we'd only heard of because his record label promoted him around the world. So with all that record label-generated publicity, yes, you will do well on the internet. However, look at mp3.com and audiogalaxy.com and the like -- there are thousands of artists whose work is being ignored. I'd be willing to bet the success rate of those internet-distributed artists is LESS than the 5% success rate of label-related artists. It is extremely expensive to make someone famous, barring the rare exceptions caused by word-of-mouth alone, and the average musician does not have the tools to make themselves famous. Okay, having said that, I still agree that the labels totally fuck over the artists, I just want to dispute that the going it alone on the internet is the way to make things right for the artists. Myq # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Harrison" Subject: Fw: (orbital) Re: Hey, Mr. Booker! Argue against THIS! Date: 22 Jun 2000 15:35:10 +0100 Hi Mike, I've not really posted to this list before but I've been on it for a few weeks now and couldn't resist joining in on this one.... I agree its incredibly hard to get noticed amongst the 60,000+ bands on mp3.com etc from pure internet exposure alone and without the resources / connections of a label. My band iNSTYLUS, has been trying an all out assault on web publicity for a couple of years now. We've put mp3s on mp3.com, poeplesound.com, getoutthere.bt.com and have had them downloaded a large number of times. We've developed an internet site that has been reviewed well (www.instylus.co.uk), backed it up with numerous live gigs that have been reviewed well, and had positive reviews in industry magazines. But there seems to be a massive difference between success when you give selected tracks away for free, and actually selling your music / getting a contract. Maybe once you've given a few tracks for free and you are percieved as an "interent band" your music is somehow devalued in the mind of the downloader, especially as the net is generally thought of as a place where everything is free eg napster. Anyway, I could go on but won't; just thought I've get it off my chest. If anyone can visit the site and let us know what you think / tell other people about it (or if you have any suggestions for improvements of the site or music), it would be much appreciated. The site is at www.instylus.co.uk Cheers Chris Original Message ----- From: "Mike Henderson" To: "Orbital" > > There is one part of her argument that I think is weak. She says that > > artists can go on the internet and get "millions of fans" buying their > music > > and enjoying it, thus making it equitable for the artist. Okay Courtney, > > yeah, if you were to release your stuff cheaply on the net by yourself > now, > > you'd do well. Why? Because you've been promoted around the world by your > > record label. Before that, you were famous because you were connected with > > Kurt Cobain, who we'd only heard of because his record label promoted him > > around the world. So with all that record label-generated publicity, yes, > > you will do well on the internet. However, look at mp3.com and > > audiogalaxy.com and the like -- there are thousands of artists whose work # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aronne Merrelli" Subject: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #342 Date: 22 Jun 2000 09:15:30 PDT >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:36:08 +0000 >From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper >Subject: (orbital) Hey, Mr. Booker! Argue against THIS! > >http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index.html > >...Wow! In-fucking-credbile! The amount of dirt in this on the RIAA and >the >recording industry is unbelievable... > yea, everybody read this. then lets all mutually agree to never spend a dime on anything from the RIAA... One thing, is that even though the artists do earn practically no money in some cases, they get lots of exposure. I wonder how many artists signed to these labels would do it anyway even if they knew they would be so ripped off. nub wrote: > > 2) Don't buy used (unless they're Technics from what I hear) > >it seems that the more people i ask, the more tell me "get technics, no >matter what." at first i thought this was just bogus snobbery, but now i'm >not so sure. is there anyone out there who has tried technics and, say, >gemini pt-2000's, and thinks they are comparable? how about the numark >TT-1's? I'm no expert on this (I've never tried to mix) but the nice feature about technics turntables is that there is no belt drive; the table spins magnetically, from what I've heard. It would seem that the table itself somehow becomes part of the motor. In any case this makes them much much more reliable and able to withstand DJ punishment like scratching & cueing etc... >one more dj equipment question: has anyone tried to mix on one of those >dual cd player things? are they worth getting? i played with one once, >don't know what kind, and had a hell of a time beat-matching, but maybe i >wasn't using it right. if anyone has suggestions for good brands/features, >i would be obliged. There was one at the CMU radio station, and a friend of mine was fairly decent at using it. I don't remember the brand, but it had pitch/speed control and cueing, so there wasn't any technical reason you couldn't use it instead of 2 turntables. I think it just takes a little more 'getting used to' , since the interface is not as direct. >finally, i saw mixmaster morris (one of the best idm-ish djs out there) >spin at Soma (in boulder, co) last night. it was pretty good, but sort of >relentlessly downtempo. i always have trouble dancing to that stuff for >more than an hour without almost falling asleep. but i must say, he has an >amazing ability to flawlessly blend genres and different sounds. check him >out if you're into that sort of thing. > cool... going to see him tonight in Costa Mesa :-) I'm expecting to dance the night away, so it sounds like I should be set. ehhehe. Regards, Aronne ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aronne Merrelli" Subject: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #342 Date: 22 Jun 2000 09:14:57 PDT >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:36:08 +0000 >From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper >Subject: (orbital) Hey, Mr. Booker! Argue against THIS! > >http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index.html > >...Wow! In-fucking-credbile! The amount of dirt in this on the RIAA and >the >recording industry is unbelievable... > yea, everybody read this. then lets all mutually agree to never spend a dime on anything from the RIAA... One thing, is that even though the artists do earn practically no money in some cases, they get lots of exposure. I wonder how many artists signed to these labels would do it anyway even if they knew they would be so ripped off. nub wrote: > > 2) Don't buy used (unless they're Technics from what I hear) > >it seems that the more people i ask, the more tell me "get technics, no >matter what." at first i thought this was just bogus snobbery, but now i'm >not so sure. is there anyone out there who has tried technics and, say, >gemini pt-2000's, and thinks they are comparable? how about the numark >TT-1's? I'm no expert on this (I've never tried to mix) but the nice feature about technics turntables is that there is no belt drive; the table spins magnetically, from what I've heard. It would seem that the table itself somehow becomes part of the motor. In any case this makes them much much more reliable and able to withstand DJ punishment like scratching & cueing etc... >one more dj equipment question: has anyone tried to mix on one of those >dual cd player things? are they worth getting? i played with one once, >don't know what kind, and had a hell of a time beat-matching, but maybe i >wasn't using it right. if anyone has suggestions for good brands/features, >i would be obliged. There was one at the CMU radio station, and a friend of mine was fairly decent at using it. I don't remember the brand, but it had pitch/speed control and cueing, so there wasn't any technical reason you couldn't use it instead of 2 turntables. I think it just takes a little more 'getting used to' , since the interface is not as direct. >finally, i saw mixmaster morris (one of the best idm-ish djs out there) >spin at Soma (in boulder, co) last night. it was pretty good, but sort of >relentlessly downtempo. i always have trouble dancing to that stuff for >more than an hour without almost falling asleep. but i must say, he has an >amazing ability to flawlessly blend genres and different sounds. check him >out if you're into that sort of thing. > cool... going to see him tonight in Costa Mesa :-) I'm expecting to dance the night away, so it sounds like I should be set. ehhehe. Regards, Aronne ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson" Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #341 (all of it) Date: 22 Jun 2000 12:56:18 +0000 At 17:18 20.6.2000 +0000, Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > > > Nine Inch Nails. Duh! I thought everybody knew that. > > *sigh*... uncalled for. >Ok, fine...so not everybody knows this internationally-known guy... the point is, it would have been enough to say "Nine Inch Nails". the rest of the line can be interpreted as an insult. we went through this a few weeks ago... Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://nemesis1.cjb.net free your :) [tm] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Harrison" Subject: (orbital) Re: iNSTYLUS Date: 22 Jun 2000 15:31:37 +0100 Thanks Mike - I did forget to send it to the list! Yes, we've done a fair bit of label promotion (UK only though). We sent out a couple of hundred postcards, biog and letter to UK labels asking if they wanted to hear a CD (several books suggest this approach). The postcards were stamped and self addressed, leaving the A&R person just to tick yes or no to a CD and providing their name. We got about 60 positives back from this and sent them all CDs within a couple of days. We got some great complimentary feedback but the bottom line is that no-one in the UK seems to have space on their label at the moment. A common comment is that they have had to drop a number of well fairly well known acts and so it would be impossible to justify taking anyone else on - even though they really like the demos. So, only one solid offer came from that batch was a "production publishing" deal, the contract for which hasn't materialised yet, but it might not be such a good deal to get into to be honest. We've also had A & R approaches from quite a few gigs we've played around the Northwest of England, but again at the end of the day, they've not had any space on their label. But a couple of weeks ago we were approached after a gig by a small new label that started out last year. They seem nice people to deal with but don't really have much experience (or many connections). They've offered us vinyl release and promotion on a couple of our tracks targeted at dj's, (plus a remix of I'm coming hardcore by Manix - track from 1992). They would maintain the rights on the tracks for three years. This means that if the tracks are popular, we're a bit at their mercy as to whether they would release them on CD to the general public. Anyway, if you know of any other approaches / marketing ideas, we'd be grateful Thanks for your input Chris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 2:48 PM > Hey Chris, > > This is excellent input -- Did you send this to the Orbital list? It looks > like it only came to me. > > Speaking of labels, have you done a lot of label promotion (e.g. sending out > demo tapes/CDs)? > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Harrison" > To: "Mike Henderson" > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 7:32 AM > Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Hey, Mr. Booker! Argue against THIS! > > > > Hi Mike, > > I've not really posted to this list before but I've been on it for a few > > weeks now and couldn't resist joining in on this one.... > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arfie Mansfield" Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #341 (all of it) Date: 22 Jun 2000 07:39:43 +0000 >>> Nine Inch Nails. Duh! I thought everybody knew that. >> >>*sigh*... uncalled for. > >Ok, fine...so not everybody knows this internationally-known guy... So if I were to talk about, say Lance Parkin (internationaly known, BTW), would you know who he was? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) Peter McWilliams dies... Date: 23 Jun 2000 04:19:08 +0000 All of the details here: http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_medical_media10.shtml I felt this was really important because McWilliams was a great guy. His book, Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do, was mind-blowing in its proportions and is still a great political reference. If you don't have the huge book, he has (had) a online (and slightly shorter) version of it here: http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/aint/ The way he died was so unjust and unfair. I, too, hold the govt responsible. I don't like forwarding mail at all, nor do I like telling people to forward mail, but this has to be heard. He is a now a martyr to a greater cause. For God's sake, don't let that go to waste! Do with his death what he couldn't do with his life! -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Hey, Mr. Booker! Argue against THIS! Date: 23 Jun 2000 05:57:21 +0000 Mike Henderson wrote: > > There is one part of her argument that I think is weak. She says that > artists can go on the internet and get "millions of fans" buying their music > and enjoying it, thus making it equitable for the artist. Okay Courtney, > yeah, if you were to release your stuff cheaply on the net by yourself now, > you'd do well. Why? Because you've been promoted around the world by your > record label. Before that, you were famous because you were connected with > Kurt Cobain, who we'd only heard of because his record label promoted him > around the world. So with all that record label-generated publicity, yes, > you will do well on the internet. However, look at mp3.com and > audiogalaxy.com and the like -- there are thousands of artists whose work is > being ignored. I'd be willing to bet the success rate of those > internet-distributed artists is LESS than the 5% success rate of > label-related artists. It is extremely expensive to make someone famous, > barring the rare exceptions caused by word-of-mouth alone, and the average > musician does not have the tools to make themselves famous. Maybe that's because nobody talks about them. It's the responsibility of BOTH the artist and the common Joe to change the music industry. If you want to do your part, check out the thousands of artists who are being ignored. Their music is out there, freely available for downloading. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "e. lanum" Subject: (orbital) (orb)ital Date: 23 Jun 2000 12:08:54 GMT is there an orb list like this? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson" Subject: Re: (orbital) (orb)ital Date: 23 Jun 2000 12:26:32 +0000 At 12:08 23.6.2000 +0000, e. lanum wrote: >is there an orb list like this? yep orb@xmission.com :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://nemesis1.cjb.net free your :) [tm] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Henderson" Subject: (orbital) HOB.COM webcast Date: 23 Jun 2000 08:21:28 -0600 For what it's worth, House of Blues.com (www.hob.com) just reposted the Orbital 29-Nov-96 (or is it Nov 23? They show it both ways...) New Orleans webcast. This big difference is that this time they have a 100k Windows Media Player stream that sounds a TON better than the old horrid RealAudio stream they used to have out there. The RealAudio links are still there, but interestingly (or not), they're broken... :) Grab it -- it's worth the effort! http://www.hob.com/live/concerts/961123orbital/ Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shaun Rader Subject: Re: (orbital) HOB.COM webcast - Copying Media Player Streams? Date: 23 Jun 2000 09:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Is there a way to copy the file to a local hard drive? I haven't found of a program that copies a Media Player stream to hard drive and I find that hard to believe... --- Mike Henderson wrote: > > For what it's worth, House of Blues.com (www.hob.com) just reposted > the Orbital 29-Nov-96 (or is it Nov 23? They show it both ways...) > New Orleans webcast. This big difference is that this time they have > a 100k Windows Media Player stream that sounds a TON better than the > old horrid RealAudio stream they used to have out there. The > RealAudio links are still there, but interestingly (or not), they're > broken... :) > > Grab it -- it's worth the effort! > http://www.hob.com/live/concerts/961123orbital/ > > Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick McGinn" Subject: Re: (orbital) HOB.COM webcast - Copying Media Player Streams? Date: 23 Jun 2000 15:26:11 -0400 I believe it was Mehul (sorry if I'm attributing this to the wrong person) who posted a link to just such a program a few months back: www.voquette.com I've used it before and it's GREAT. Xaos 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110 > Is there a way to copy the file to a local hard drive? I haven't found > of a program that copies a Media Player stream to hard drive and I find > that hard to believe... > > --- Mike Henderson wrote: > > > > For what it's worth, House of Blues.com (www.hob.com) just reposted > > the Orbital 29-Nov-96 (or is it Nov 23? They show it both ways...) > > New Orleans webcast. This big difference is that this time they have > > a 100k Windows Media Player stream that sounds a TON better than the > > old horrid RealAudio stream they used to have out there. The > > RealAudio links are still there, but interestingly (or not), they're > > broken... :) > > > > Grab it -- it's worth the effort! > > http://www.hob.com/live/concerts/961123orbital/ > > > > Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Rader" Subject: RE: (orbital) HOB.COM webcast - Copying Media Player Streams? Date: 23 Jun 2000 18:10:43 -0700 Has anyone gotten this program to work with the Orbital stream?? And are there any good Orbital (or electronic) media player streams I can test this on? I've always wanted to be able to copy these but now I can do it and I don't know what to get! Thanks for this link though that is exactly what I've been looking for! > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-orbital@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-orbital@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Patrick McGinn > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:26 PM > To: orbital@xmission.com > Subject: Re: (orbital) HOB.COM webcast - Copying Media Player Streams? > > > > I believe it was Mehul (sorry if I'm attributing this to the wrong person) > who posted a link to just such a program a few months back: > > www.voquette.com > > I've used it before and it's GREAT. > > Xaos > 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "morpheus" Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #342 Date: 23 Jun 2000 02:43:38 -0700 > >it seems that the more people i ask, the more tell me "get technics, no > >matter what." at first i thought this was just bogus snobbery, but now i'm > >not so sure. is there anyone out there who has tried technics and, say, > >gemini pt-2000's, and thinks they are comparable? how about the numark > >TT-1's? Gemini PT-2000's are similar to Technics, but they aren't built as well. People don't seem to understand how much punishment a Tech 1200 can take. You can drop it like five feet and it would still work perfectly. You can stand on the platter, and iit will spin you around. These things are very well built. I Have a lot of experience with Numark TT-1's, and they are shit. They have horrible torque which makes for sloppy cueing and makes scratching impossible. Also, the pitch control is really bad. It's digital, so the pitch is either like 1.22 or 1.23, there is no in between. This sucks, because it is sometimes impossible to get an absolute perfect beat match. Tech 1200's pitch control don't have any either ors, you can get it at any number. Same with Vestax D3's, they are also digital, but you can still go in between numbers. Vestax D3's are my turntabls of choice, But I still highly recommend Tech 1200's. It's not just a snobby thing, it's hard to spin without them. > >one more dj equipment question: has anyone tried to mix on one of those > >dual cd player things? are they worth getting? i played with one once, > >don't know what kind, and had a hell of a time beat-matching, but maybe i > >wasn't using it right. if anyone has suggestions for good brands/features, > >i would be obliged. I see these things as more of an addition to turntables, not a substitute for turntables. For instance, it would be cool to spin on 2 turntables and a cd deck. But this is just what my friends who have used them have told me. hope that helps anyone who was pondering the Technics or not Technics question. morpheus aka DJ Seifer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Henderson" Subject: Re: (orbital) HOB.COM webcast Date: 23 Jun 2000 09:33:41 -0600 Using Windows, I grab stuff using CoolEdit. 1) Load CoolEdit and click the record button -- accept the default recording parameters (44100, 16 bit, stereo) then pause the recording right away. 2) Open the Volume settings for your soundcard. For the default Windows volume window (you get by double-clicking the little yello speaker down by your clock on the Start bar), set the Wave and Master volume levels to the middle or so. Then select "Properties" from the "Options" menu. Then click the Recording radio button, then check everything down in the listing of volume controls, and click OK. You should have a meter for "Mix" or "Sum" up there somewhere. Set it to about the middle setting and check its "Select" checkbox and UNCHECK all the other "Select" checkboxes. Close the window. 3) Go to the hob.com site and click on the 100k Window Media stream link. When Media Player comes up, wait until you're about 90% buffered and then unpause CoolEdit. That's it! Hope this helped... Mike ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 4:24 AM > how do i grab it? > > > > For what it's worth, House of Blues.com (www.hob.com) just reposted the > > Orbital 29-Nov-96 (or is it Nov 23? They show it both ways...) New Orleans > > webcast. This big difference is that this time they have a 100k Windows > > Media Player stream that sounds a TON better than the old horrid RealAudio > > stream they used to have out there. The RealAudio links are still there, > but > > interestingly (or not), they're broken... :) > > > > Grab it -- it's worth the effort! > > http://www.hob.com/live/concerts/961123orbital/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oleg Rekutin Subject: Re: (OT) (orbital) turntables, etc. Date: 24 Jun 2000 01:06:37 -0400 Sorry for OT.... My brother used to run a Friday night party at his college, and he dealt with a lot of DJs... (credibility assurance :O) ) He says that some people had Technics 1200 for over 15 years and they still work like a charm. As long as you take good care of them, they work forever. In other words, don't be afraid to buy used Technics. There are no moving parts in the Technics except the pitch control, three buttons and a light. The rest are three magnets & electronics. It's direct-drive table, spins up to full velocity extremely fast (I forget the speed). As opposed to belt drives that take a while to spin up. (Using belt-driven turntables is not a good idea. Don't even think of using one for scratching: you'll ruin the turntable. Belt-driven turntables are for listening to records at the comfort of your home -- definitely not for mixing). Technics 1200 has only one big flaw: pitchshift locks on a crystal too much: e.g. if I try to do 34 RPM, it will jump to 33.3 RPM, sorta like "pixel snapping." That's fixed in Technics 1300 (there's a button to enable/disable this). If you think that Technics 1200 aren't good, then you're arguing with about 20000 DJs in the history of DJing that have been using these technics since early 70's, when they got out. He says Gemini don't have any good tables. However, if you're looking for cheaps ways to start a DJ career, it's very good to buy Pioneer CD-tops that make your life much easier. (Since vinyl isn't nearly as easy to get as CDs). He says that CD-tops are very usable. He says that about 50% of all clubs in US and Europe work off the CD-tops. E.g. DJ Scribble uses Pioneer CD-tops (and Pioneer sound FX). He says the big difference between CD-tops and turntables is the quality of the sound. (Turntables sound cripsier, but an average club attendee probably wouldn't notice any difference, as long as you keep your CDs in good shape (so they don't skip) ). If you burn stuff on a CD-R, make sure that the source file is good quality (e.g. don't try to play 112kbps MP3s) and try to use gold CD-Rs... they are considered "DJ-quality." Mixing via CD-tops is easier because it's easier to maintain beatmixing. However, you still gotta have the mixing skills, though (i.e. if you suck at matching up beats, it won't help you). CD-tops and turntables have their own pluses/minuses, you can be an ace at either. If you prefer the "analog" control of a turntable, use that. If you like electronics to do a good part of your job, use a CD-top. Quality of a Cd-top makes a big difference, too, he says. Pioneer Cd-tops is the best, he says, and Geminis are also good (some are really good). Less expensive Geminis are crappy however. Also cheap ones from Dannon, Numark, American DJ CD-tops should be avoided. Numark and Vestax have also good direct-drive turntables. There are no professional level good Gemini turntables: they are all entry-level. He says Technics cost less in Europe. In US, used ones go usually for $600 a pair. Check out eBay and other auctions, but make sure the person doesn't ship them to you--but you instead go and pick them up (otherwise they will get all banged up in transit). Again, all info is as per my brother. Just thought this may be helpful to those interested. - Uksi Friday, June 23, 2000, 5:43:38 AM, you wrote: >> >it seems that the more people i ask, the more tell me "get technics, no >> >matter what." at first i thought this was just bogus snobbery, but now m> i'm >> >not so sure. > I see these things as more of an addition to turntables, not a substitute > for turntables. For instance, it would be cool to spin on 2 turntables and > a cd deck. But this is just what my friends who have used them have told > me. >> i've been shopping around for dj equipment - turntables, 2-CD players, >> mixers - and, as i'm new to this, i'm discovering that i know little about >> what separates the good from the bad. technics 1200s are pricey (duh), and >> don't have some of the features i'm looking for (pitch blend, reverse, >> line out options?), so i'm looking into some gemini and numark direct >> drives at about $300-375 (US) a pop. could anyone tell me their personal >> experiences with non-technics turntables, or give me a url that has >> reviews or comparisons? the only good one i've found was mostly european >> brands that are unavailable (and/or expensive) in the states. i'm just >> looking for something quality that isn't gonna cost me a nut. Uksi - uksi@uksiland.com besonic.com/uksibleep # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson" Subject: (orbital) $5 off at cduniverse Date: 24 Jun 2000 16:47:37 +0000 in case anyone was interested... > CD Universe wants to thank you for being a customer by offering you a > limited-time >special offer of $5 off any purchase of $19.99 or more! > > To take advantage of this special offer, simply purchase $19.99 or more >and type the code CDU5 into the Promotion Code Box at the end of the >checkout page, and $5 will be automatically deducted from your order total. > > But hurry, this offer expires 7/6/00. (See below for offer details.) > >Start shopping at: http://www.cduniverse.com/asp/cdu_main.asp?frm=lk_cdu5 Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://nemesis1.cjb.net free your :) [tm] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) DO NOT SHOP AT CD UNIVERSE UNLESS YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT Date: 24 Jun 2000 11:39:52 -0700 DO NOT SHOP AT CD UNIVERSE UNLESS YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) Re: DO NOT SHOP AT CD UNIVERSE UNLESS YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT Date: 24 Jun 2000 14:31:42 -0700 CD universe told most people to go fly a kite and it wasn't their fault that their cards were stolen and thousands of dollars were charged. CD universe still runs an insecure system and insecure software which is still prone to such attacks. Again if you want to waste your time and money listen to people like arni. If you're like me an you value your time and your money. Don't. If you need any confirmation of this goto www.dvdtalk.com and search the forums for cd universe. You'll see consistent widespread hatred... Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson wrote: angel@dimension6.com wrote: > 1) TOTALLY INSECURE, THEY'VE CAUSED MASSIVE HEADACHES FOR THOUSANDS OF > CREDIT CARD OWNERS IN THE PAST WHEN THEY WERE HACKED > it happened once. > sure, someone used my cc# once, I complained, it was cancelled out. end of > story > > >2) LOUSY SERVICE > > bull fucking shit > I've shopped there for almost 3 years, and they have provided me with some > of the very best service I've seen on the net :P # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S D Subject: (orbital) Hey, Mr. Booker! Argue against THIS! Date: 24 Jun 2000 23:16:32 +0000 > ...Wow! In-fucking-credbile! The amount of dirt in this on the RIAA and > the recording industry is unbelievable... How'd that song go again ? ... pimps..pushers..prostitutes... >From: angel@dimension6.com >DO NOT SHOP AT CD UNIVERSE UNLESS YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT I'm gasping for air !! -- -- Mark S D Some people have a way with words, while others... erm... thingy. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: RE: (orbital) HOB.COM webcast - Copying Media Player Streams? Date: 25 Jun 2000 18:25:49 +0200 Here's my idea on the issue: There are plugins for Winamp that play .asf files.. Now couldn't we simply use the diskwriter output to stream a decoded .wav file (for burning) directly to disk? 8) I've done this with (non-streaming) RA- files before (using the new winamp-RA plugin!).. Another option would be Xfileget, this one saves realaudio files, i suggest it saves .asf files, too, as .asf is assumably also based on regular UDP! DeeKay > Has anyone gotten this program to work with the Orbital stream?? And are > there any good Orbital (or electronic) media player streams I can test this > on? I've always wanted to be able to copy these but now I can do it and I > don't know what to get! > > Thanks for this link though that is exactly what I've been looking for! > > > > > > I believe it was Mehul (sorry if I'm attributing this to the wrong person) > > who posted a link to just such a program a few months back: > > > > www.voquette.com > > > > I've used it before and it's GREAT. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aronne Merrelli" Subject: (orbital) re: Courtney's rant. Date: 25 Jun 2000 15:31:21 PDT >Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:09:39 -0600 >From: "Mike Henderson" >Subject: (orbital) Re: Hey, Mr. Booker! Argue against THIS! > > > http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index.html > > > > ...Wow! In-fucking-credbile! The amount of dirt in this on the RIAA >and >the > > recording industry is unbelievable... > >There is one part of her argument that I think is weak. She says that >Okay, having said that, I still agree that the labels totally fuck over the >artists, I just want to dispute that the going it alone on the internet is >the way to make things right for the artists. > Well said. I think thats the only thing the majors are good for really, is making someone famous. So if that is your aim as a musician, then by all means go for it. I still think record labels (talking about the small independant ones now) are important, as a 'quality-filter'. I think pretty much everyone would be more inclined to buy a random release on a label with a good reputation than buy some random mp3.com artist's CD. The only thing mp3.com is useful for now is a place to store your music - I don't think anyone expects to get any promotion just by uploading stuff there. Its just too big and filled with crap, frankly. Regards, Aronne (hope I don't send 2 copies again this time... not sure how I managed that!) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lysergic Dream Subject: (orbital) looking for name of a track Date: 25 Jun 2000 00:21:27 -0500 hi everyone... this is going to sound really stupid but i'm coming to the end of my rope over this... i recently attended a performance art type thing and there was a girl that did a belly dance routine to this really cool song that i'm now trying to find... it was dancey and had an egyptian motif to it... i seeem to remember a line, something about the pharoah giving to the people house music... i was a bit out of it that evening but if anyone can help at all, i would greatly appreciate it. cheers, lysergic # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JL Jones" Subject: Re: (orbital) re: Courtney's rant. Date: 25 Jun 2000 22:27:47 -0400 Well, thank you very much for your kind words to those of us who have posted stuff on mp3.com at least its a place to hear stuff that you wouldnt get a chance to hear either through the mass media outlets etc..... If we're all doing crap, so be it.... its a forum for people expressing themselves to be heard which is a good thing in my book... /home/lunarpark-1/Jim J. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 6:31 PM > The only thing mp3.com is useful for now is a place to > store your music - I don't think anyone expects to > get any promotion just by uploading stuff there. Its > just too big and filled with crap, frankly. > > > Regards, > Aronne # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oleg Rekutin Subject: Re: OT (orbital) re: Courtney's rant. Date: 25 Jun 2000 23:59:11 -0400 AM> The only thing mp3.com is useful for now is a place to AM> store your music - I don't think anyone expects to AM> get any promotion just by uploading stuff there. Its AM> just too big and filled with crap, frankly. Having a few songs on mp3.com and similar sites, I feel compelled to reply. I agree that you can't get any promotion just by uploading stuff on MP3.com. However, you do get a chance to make yourself heard to people who might not have otherwise found out about you. In that sense, MP3.com is quite useful. Filled with crap? Yeah, you might think so, especially if you listen to the MP3.com charts--all tracks sound too similar. But very few people that visit MP3.com actually care to look beyond the often-inflated charts and find small gems that MP3.com (and similar sites, e.g. besonic.com) has here and there. So what if a person isn't in a chart? You may very well like his/her songs. Instead, what people do is they pick a genre, go to the charts, listen to a few tracks off the "top 100" and then conclude that it's all same-sounding crap. I'm thankful for sites like MP3.com--it lets people make themselves heard to an international audience without having to sign up with a label, whether major or independent. Still think MP.com is all crap? Try this: every day listen to one song from one MP3.com artist you haven't heard yet. Don't look at the charts, just find a random artist every time. I bet you'll be surprised with a good track every so often. As far as promotion on MP3.com... Really, would any serious group or band promote themselves solely through that site? I think that if somebody is trying to get serious, they would spend their resources on better things--such as releasing a full-quality CD (not like DAM CDs) on CDNOW/etc, get signed up with a label (again, whether big or small). But I don't think that they would pick MP3.com as their number one promotion tool. - Uksi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) re: Courtney's rant. Date: 26 Jun 2000 04:49:23 +0000 Aronne Merrelli wrote: > > I still think record labels (talking about the small > independant ones now) are important, as a 'quality-filter'. > I think pretty much everyone would be more inclined to > buy a random release on a label with a good reputation > than buy some random mp3.com artist's CD. I've thought along those same lines, and it really works well in the movie industry (for the most part), but when you have bands like Lit and The Offspring on one end, and bands like Orzic Tentacles and Curve on the other end, it makes you wonder: "Why the fuck is Lit popular and why the fuck isn't Orzic Tentacles popular?" > The only thing mp3.com is useful for now is a place to > store your music - I don't think anyone expects to > get any promotion just by uploading stuff there. Its > just too big and filled with crap, frankly. Well, the top download section might provide some level of "quality filtering". -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) re: Courtney's rant. Date: 26 Jun 2000 05:01:37 +0000 JL Jones wrote: > > Well, thank you very much for your kind words > to those of us who have posted stuff on mp3.com > at least its a place to hear stuff that you wouldnt > get a chance to hear either through the mass > media outlets etc..... > > If we're all doing crap, so be it.... > its a forum for people expressing themselves to be heard > which is a good thing in my book... In defense of Aronne, I don't think he meant that 100% of MP3.com was crap. It's just that it's finding a needle in a haystack, which is probably true. I go by a rule that works rather well: 99% of everything is crap. A few years ago, I was really into computer MOD/S3M/XM/IT music. At work, I had a good connection, and I downloaded the entire year's worth of the Hornet Archive. Since anybody and his brother could upload any damn song he wanted, a great majority of the songs sucked ass. Yes, there were good songs among them, and yes, they kicked ass, but you really have to search for them. So, it's not that your music sucks, but how to seperate your music (if it is indeed good) from the mountain of shit in the MP3.com collection. (And if I had the DSL come in, I could actually download stuff from MP3.com, but this Earthlink connection sucks my late granddaddy's nutz!) -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Uglesich Subject: (orbital) recording streaming media Date: 26 Jun 2000 01:09:12 -0400 i deleted the original post but here's a link to the software that i use to record and archive streaming broadcasts. there's even a built in scheduler which you can program to record events while you're away from your computer. the unregistered version is limited to 40 second samples but registration is only $11.95 http://www.highcriteria.com/trinfo.htm - rob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "morpheus" Subject: (orbital) Real Audio Date: 28 Jun 2000 02:23:37 -0700 Hey, Can anyone tell me of a program that will convert wav files into real audio? I have a dj set that I want to put up on my home page. Also, Can anyone give me a brief description of how I would go about setting it up on my home page. any help would be greatly appreciated. kevin (morpheus) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aronne Merrelli" Subject: (orbital) mp3com stuff Date: 28 Jun 2000 10:49:54 PDT >Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:01:37 +0000 >From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper >Subject: Re: (orbital) re: Courtney's rant. > >JL Jones wrote: > > > > Well, thank you very much for your kind words > > to those of us who have posted stuff on mp3.com > > at least its a place to hear stuff that you wouldnt > > get a chance to hear either through the mass > > media outlets etc..... > > > > If we're all doing crap, so be it.... > > its a forum for people expressing themselves to be heard > > which is a good thing in my book... > >In defense of Aronne, I don't think he meant that 100% of MP3.com was crap. >It's just that it's finding a needle in a haystack, which is probably true. > I >go by a rule that works rather well: 99% of everything is crap. > >A few years ago, I was really into computer MOD/S3M/XM/IT music. At work, >I had >a good connection, and I downloaded the entire year's worth of the Hornet >Archive. Since anybody and his brother could upload any damn song he >wanted, a >great majority of the songs sucked ass. Yes, there were good songs among >them, >and yes, they kicked ass, but you really have to search for them. > >So, it's not that your music sucks, but how to seperate your music (if it >is >indeed good) from the mountain of shit in the MP3.com collection. > >(And if I had the DSL come in, I could actually download stuff from >MP3.com, but >this Earthlink connection sucks my late granddaddy's nutz!) > Uh, yeah, what he said :-) Seriously though, I didn't mean offense to people who use mp3.com ... I obviously didn't explain my point well. What Brendan said is pretty spot-on, but let me say a couple more things. I did not mean that _everything_ on mp3.com is crap. But I think a very large percentage of it is - I won't make up a number, but its alot. And I think most other people think this as well. So in and of itself mp3.com is useless by itself, because I don't see that many people just randomly downloading tracks... its just too frustrating (remembering something like 90-95 % of all internet users are still on modems) Even if people do randomly download stuff, there are soooooo many groups/musicians there now that how many random 'hits' are you going to get? The stuff that I have found on mp3com that I really like was all stuff that other people recommended, or people who promoted themselves some other way first. (BTW here are a few good ones off the top of my head - kettel, lightspeed - "she is following", some stuff by Twine, and of course the Transmat mp3's) Regards, Aronne ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital