From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) ML-to-forum bridge... Date: 01 Jul 2000 23:25:47 +0000 Because I'm either damned crazy or spend too much time coding or both, I decided to work on that ML-to-forum bridge for my RPGBoard script. Well, I finally finished it today, and it's working great so far. I'm pretty excited about this thing because of its implications. You could use it as web interface to the mailing list, an archive to search through previous messages (for the latecomers to the ML), or to give users a choice of which format to use. In any case, I'm going to be using this ML to test out the threaded mode functions of the bridge. I've limited the forum-to-ML portion to myself only, so that nobody tries to spam this list. (Of course, that's easily done by spamming the e-mail addy.) You can view the archive at: http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/software/rpgboard/orbital/ Hopefully, it will be able to accommodate replies and thread them correctly. That's what I'm testing. Steve, if you want some kind of system like this, e-mail me. (Ok, now who's da man? :) -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: demmietrius anthony cimpson Subject: (orbital) mystery track Date: 02 Jul 2000 02:20:05 -0500 (CDT) Anybody ever heard of a track by Orbital titled, "blue illusion?" The reason why I'm asking is because it's not listed on the discography section of the official website. Just wondering if this track is by the same Orbital we have all come to love. -Demmie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony N Gall Subject: Re: (orbital) mystery track Date: 02 Jul 2000 02:23:29 -0500 (CDT) On Sun, 2 Jul 2000, demmietrius anthony cimpson wrote: > > Anybody ever heard of a track by Orbital titled, "blue illusion?" > The reason why I'm asking is because it's not listed on the discography > section of the official website. Just wondering if this track is by the > same Orbital we have all come to love. > > > -Demmie Nope, this track is by Stevie Be Zet. Check the FAQ page at www.loopz.co.uk, they have the answer to this question there. -Anthony # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) Oops... Date: 01 Jul 2000 23:39:20 +0000 Forgot to change my identifying e-mail address. Hope that doesn't matter. Is it just me or is there something wrong with the list? I sent that e-mail about 10-15 minutes ago. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) Oops... Date: 02 Jul 2000 15:18:24 EDT There's something wrong with the list for sure. I posted something a while back, and it didn't get sent out to the list for AT LEAST a week! Rob ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Oops... Date: 02 Jul 2000 20:40:36 +0000 Robert Schultz wrote: > > There's something wrong with the list for sure. I posted something a while > back, and it didn't get sent out to the list for AT LEAST a week! Damn! These Hotmail and Yahoo accounts don't spit out those references headers, so ya gotta match by "Re: [subject]" if you want to get threaded output. Why can't they be nice enough to retain the headers? (Oh, btw...you don't have to send e-mail to me personally. I subscribe to this list, ya know :) -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: demmietrius anthony cimpson Subject: Re: (orbital) mystery track Date: 03 Jul 2000 16:15:33 -0500 (CDT) Thanks. -Demmie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mehul Parekh" Date: 03 Jul 2000 12:11:23 -0000 hi, i was wondering if someone could tell me what marc sawaya's site is...i know its been on like a million.5 times but i cant find one email with that info. thanks in advance. mp __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oleg Rekutin Subject: (orbital) Chime remix Date: 05 Jul 2000 19:28:15 -0400 I was just digging through the pile of would-be-thrown-out records that my brother salvaged from someone. A 12" 33rpm record suddenly caught my eye: it said "ORBITAL Chime" on it. I thought that was the original but it turns out to be a remix. The compilation says "Remixed by Friends of Matthew, running time 5.00mins". The side says (I think, hard to make out) TWO DMC 105/2. Record is dated '91. I listened to it (on a 20-year-old would-be-trashed SL-1200 that works like a charm :) ) and the remix isn't half bad. At first the impression is that it's a very decent remix of "Chime" until the "ohhhh yeah" and "make your body lose control" samples kick in in the latter part of the song. The track ends with typical dance grooves. I didn't find any information about this on Loopz, so I thought I'd let you all know. There are three more tracks on this record. "Prisoner Of Love" by Prisoner Of Love, "Do What You Feel" by Joey Negro and "Addicted To Music' by Subsonic 2. This last track, "Addicted to Music" is okay, the rest I don't like. - Uksi uksi@uksiland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) Tranceport... Date: 06 Jul 2000 00:40:46 +0000 I remember Deekay (I think) raving about how good this album is. And yes, I bought it and thought it was a good album, but it wasn't a mind-blowing experience like DK's was. I play it, like I play most of my CDs, about once a month. Well, maybe it caught me in this really good mood that I'm in (that and I was actually "in the mood" for a trance CD), but suddenly I'm amazed at how good this mix is. This is like the 7th time I've listen to the CD since I bought it, but why am I suddenly realizing this now? Warm synths all around, great picks for songs, nice patterns in the music. It's funny that get high off of this music, a trait that would be reserved only for Orbital and Orzic Tentacles songs. I'm already replaying the CD. I really should stop, but I'm enjoying myself... -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Tranceport... Date: 06 Jul 2000 03:14:00 +0200 > I remember Deekay (I think) raving about how good this album is. And yes, I > bought it and thought it was a good album, but it wasn't a mind-blowing > experience like DK's was. I play it, like I play most of my CDs, about once a > month. > > Well, maybe it caught me in this really good mood that I'm in (that and I was > actually "in the mood" for a trance CD), but suddenly I'm amazed at how good > this mix is. This is like the 7th time I've listen to the CD since I bought it, > but why am I suddenly realizing this now? Warm synths all around, great picks > for songs, nice patterns in the music. It's funny that get high off of this > music, a trait that would be reserved only for Orbital and Orzic Tentacles > songs. > > I'm already replaying the CD. I really should stop, but I'm enjoying myself... Nopes, that wasn't me! <:-) I was the one raving about Y3K and X-mix! 8) by the way: I got this bootleg here: Hybrid Studio Mix at Radio 1, also kicks ass just like Y3K, top notch quality!.. Hybrid's really one of my Faves right now!.. I checked out BT cause of his "running down the way up" which Hybrid remixed for Y3K and cause a friend recommended him, but i wasn't really convinced.. Doesn't quite turn me on! <:-( DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: (orbital) Hey kid, I gotta good thing for you... Date: 05 Jul 2000 22:38:47 -0700 havent said much in a while. hi trance sucks -- .MatthewFord. [U.S. Operations / Writer] LOOPZ:The Orbital Zine [ http://www.loopz.co.uk ] Independent Intelligent Electronic Music Paper Zine [Creator / Content Producer] GENREZERO.com [ http://www.genrezero.com ] Online Electronic Music Netcasts / Community...Back Online Soon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Henderson" Subject: (orbital) Re: [none] Date: 05 Jul 2000 17:32:53 -0600 Mark's site is down until further notice. (He's not at school, which is when he operates the server...) Mike hi, i was wondering if someone could tell me what marc sawaya's site is...i know its been on like a million.5 times but i cant find one email with that info. thanks in advance. mp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "e. lanum" Subject: Re: (orbital) Hey kid, I gotta good thing for you... Date: 06 Jul 2000 12:02:04 GMT welp....then keep it that way:> trance sucks ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: Re: (orbital) Hey kid, I gotta good thing for you... Date: 06 Jul 2000 09:32:54 -0400 Matthew Ford wrote: > > havent said much in a while. > hi > > trance sucks Howdy! DnB sucks HAAARD! trancendentally... ;) shannan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aimee couture Subject: Re: (orbital) Hey kid, I gotta good thing for you. Date: 06 Jul 2000 17:17:43 +0000 (GMT) On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Shannon K. Campbell wrote: > Matthew Ford wrote: > > > > havent said much in a while. > > hi > > Howdy! Hi Matt!! Hi Shannon!! Hi Orbital List!! With love from the department of Residential Networking at the University of Western Ontario Aimee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: Re: (orbital) Hey kid, I gotta good thing for you. Date: 06 Jul 2000 13:44:55 -0400 aimee couture wrote: > Hi Matt!! > Hi Shannon!! > Hi Orbital List!! > > With love from the department of Residential Networking at the University of Western Ontario > > Aimee Hi Aimee! Hope you're summer Networking is going well. I got off early last friday thanks to a Big rock driller who ever-so-slightly, nicked the main power line to the Medical Center. The ER and OR have back-up generators, but not the IPL and NucMed. It took them 2 days to get it up agiiin! Hey SteveP! What about Glasto2000?!?! Didja dig Willie Nelson and David Bowie? How 'bout Autechre?!?! FULL REPORT PLEASE for us trans-continentals Hey Matthew! I do like some muZiQ... :) I can't groove to Funkstorung yet {prolly not DnB anyway is it} I just can't take Arhythmic beats. What's the point if you can't keep time? Might as well let your cat do the drumming... {They used to say the same thing about John {Zep} Bonham} BenjiB! Didn't you say you went to see Craig Armstrong? Marc! Marc! Marc! Hey Robert!?! Where the Fr*k is Sleuter Dan? Does Chile' still exist? Hey Mehul! Did you get your burner yet! Hey Kulsi Hey Kulsi Hey Kulsi Discs sooooooom! Brendan? Tranceport? {Compilation?} I DID get Aural Playground with Equinox. Some other nice things there too. There ya go Matthew! n/p Neil Young's "Silver and Gold" [TechnoT] Seizures!!!! ShannON+ON+ON # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson" Subject: Re: (orbital) Hey kid, I gotta good thing for you. Date: 06 Jul 2000 18:30:35 +0000 At 13:44 6.7.2000 -0400, Shannon K. Campbell wrote: > > Hi Matt!! > > Hi Shannon!! > > Hi Orbital List!! >Hi Aimee! >Hey SteveP! >Hey Matthew! >BenjiB! >Marc! Marc! Marc! >Hey Robert!?! >Hey Mehul! >Hey Kulsi >Brendan? hi world! *wave* hey boy, hey girl... here we go! (hehe, sorry, couldn't resist :) offtopic, but what the heck, I love their work :) http://www.auralplanet.com/ a few free mp3 tracks & other goodies from their output. I got their 2nd cd yesterday (Part: Second). whoa. ass kicking goa psytrance stuff... change in direction from their first album (Lightflow) which was more laidback cosmic ambient trance (a disc which I still love love love love love love love love LOVE! *LOVE, DAMMIT!*) best of all, you can buy their cds dead cheap ($7/10). wish I could get other cds this cheap, then I'd buy a lot more ;) hehe anyone heard the new Lackluster output? mmmm can't wait to get my cd :P Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://nemesis1.cjb.net free your :) [tm] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mehul Parekh" Subject: (orbital) reviews Date: 06 Jul 2000 13:03:19 -0000 Alrighty everyone, hope you all had a good 4th of july...i remember fireworks, after that it is a blur. but i picked up some cds: Trance Nation America (hey who said trance sucks?!!!) - not bad...somehow i dont understand one thing, that trance nation 1&2&3 (make in the UK) really fill up the cds with so many tracks. But here only 11 tracks on each cd. Bull%$#@! It really turned me off, but not a bad cd set though. Taylor had a pretty good mix and a good variety of stuff (i got to hear bt's dreaming finally...yes, i live a deprived child's life) and so did jimmy van m (although I thought he was a little slow compared to taylor. For those who like Agnelli&Nelson's 'Everyday', there is a track on Taylor's cd that has the opening beat of "Everyday" in the entire track and so IMHO, a great track to mix from. Overall score: well, in comparison to the Trance Nation(s): 3.5/10 but for a trance cd that introduced me to different sounds: 8.5/10. Groove: (music inspired and from the movie): Once again, Bull#$$#! What is this inspired crap? Why cant I just get straight from the movie?! But the tracklisting was pretty decent, I heard it almost throughout without completely hating it. The cool thing about the cd: Halcyon (mixed into something else)...note to self: get Orbital 2 or at least Halcyon+on+on on vinyl! I had a idea where I would mix the great song into another song someday, but I got a new idea from this cd, although I didn't love the way it was done because the vocals came so suddenly in the mix. Overall: 7.5/10 And if I wasn't a glutton for pain because I am not a big fan of Sasha/Digweed, I went out and bought Communicate. One word for the general public: WOW! It had me really surprised that I would actually listen to the cd. Okay, so having sound in the songs helps (Previous cd ventures by the lads have virtually no sound at all in the first few tracks, but this was different). I have only heard 1 cd so far, but I really liked it. The sound in there is not trance (not the cheesy stuff that I dig or recognize), but maybe 'dub'? I dont know I am asking, because although i dont recognize the style, I liked it. Overall so far: 8.5/10 (for suprising the crap out of me) And that is my reviews for the day. I havent bought anything else new lately, except, oh yeah, PVD's latest...and say what you will, you cant discount PVD because he makes trance That's like saying Jack Daniels makes whisky (I stole that from somewhere but I cant remember where). If you dont have it, go get it! If you have heard anything by him and liked it, it will be a good buy. Thanks and goodbye. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "morpheus" Subject: (orbital) Any Ideas? Date: 06 Jul 2000 22:59:13 -0700 Hey, I know someone on here will know the answer to this. I just recently finished writing a breakbeat track and am going to have it pressed onto vinyl and released on my friends' small, soon to be record label. One thing is though, I am going to need sample clearance. I use a small portion of Suzanne Vega's Tom's Diner, so I figure I need permission for this. Do I just contact the record label? I can't give them much in the way of royalties, because I can't see myself making it really big, and I myself will probably only make like $2-3 off of each record that is sold. Another thing, I use some other very commonly used samples like the "let's go" sample that I think is from Speed Racer. Do I need to get permission for stuff like this too, or is it just so common that no one really cares. Any help will really help. I will be putting an mp3 of this track onto my homepage soon, so when I do, I'll let everyone know so you all can check it out and tell me what you think. thanx kevin (morpheus) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Any Ideas? Date: 07 Jul 2000 19:19:22 +0000 morpheus wrote: > > I know someone on here will know the answer to this. I just recently > finished writing a breakbeat track and am going to have it pressed onto > vinyl and released on my friends' small, soon to be record label. One thing > is though, I am going to need sample clearance. I use a small portion of > Suzanne Vega's Tom's Diner, so I figure I need permission for this. Do I > just contact the record label? I can't give them much in the way of > royalties, because I can't see myself making it really big, and I myself > will probably only make like $2-3 off of each record that is sold. Another > thing, I use some other very commonly used samples like the "let's go" > sample that I think is from Speed Racer. Do I need to get permission for > stuff like this too, or is it just so common that no one really cares. Any > help will really help. For the first sample, I'd almost say to just credit the sample in the notes and don't worry about it, but I don't want to get sued if I'm wrong either. The Speed Racer sample is in the too common range. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oleg Rekutin Subject: Re: (orbital) Any Ideas? Date: 07 Jul 2000 23:06:50 -0400 I am not a lawyer, but I had MP3.com reject a track due to unlicensed sample use, so if you're putting that up on MP3.com, make sure you have a written license first or don't mention anything about using samples in the description (as I blatantly did, 'over 40 samples used'). At any rate, yes, as long as it's a recognizable piece of copyrighted work--1 second or 1 hour--you need to have it licensed to be able to be fully legally clean. Legally, it doesn't matter how common the sampled work is. Just contact the record label and ask them to direct you to the proper place. I'm sure they get plenty of requests for licensing. I don't know whether you'll get the license for free or not (most likely nonfree, but you never know, if it's a small artist). Here are a few (hopefully) helpful pages: http://www.ibslaw.com/melon/archive/205_sampling.html http://www.signature-sound.com/11quest.html http://www.mp3.com/community/mbartist.html (go to Ask The Music Lawyer message board, helpful advice and people in there) http://www.sounduser.com/articles/begin5.html (UK-based, but general information still relevant) As far as that Speed Racer "let's go sample". Yes, you have to license that too, but if you play the song with that sample to five or ten people and none of them recognizes it as a Speed Racer sample, then, heck, release it, maybe nobody will notice (illegal, but may slip by). As far as I know, almost all somewhat published and widely published electronic artists have licensed their samples. Hope this helps! - Uksi Friday, July 07, 2000, 1:59:13 AM, morpheus wrote: m> I know someone on here will know the answer to this. I just recently m> finished writing a breakbeat track and am going to have it pressed onto m> vinyl and released on my friends' small, soon to be record label. One thing m> is though, I am going to need sample clearance. I use a small portion of m> Suzanne Vega's Tom's Diner, so I figure I need permission for this. Do I m> just contact the record label? I can't give them much in the way of m> royalties, because I can't see myself making it really big, and I myself m> will probably only make like $2-3 off of each record that is sold. Another m> thing, I use some other very commonly used samples like the "let's go" m> sample that I think is from Speed Racer. Do I need to get permission for m> stuff like this too, or is it just so common that no one really cares. Any m> help will really help. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mehul Parekh" Subject: (orbital) what Date: 09 Jul 2000 13:40:49 -0000 hi: i was just at the all music guide and saw a listing for a single called 'call me misha' that was released this april by orbital!? what is going on? i am sure its wrong. Mehul Parekh I __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "e. lanum" Subject: (orbital) uncle roland Date: 09 Jul 2000 19:56:23 GMT so ive been shopping around for a groovebox. anyone with any comments about the roland-307? or grooveboxes in general? thannx ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr.Winston O'Boogie" Subject: (orbital) SV: (orb) uncle roland Date: 10 Jul 2000 00:33:38 +0200 Hi, I Tried out the groovebox and IMHO this machine is total crap if you goin= g to make some music with dignity. I would suggest you to save some money a= nd buy a sampler, a Roland 909, 303 and my favorite the TR-808 the oscillato= rs in these machines cannot be copied or sampled=85 And if you want to toy a= round with sounds make it with you=92re sampler=85 I recommend an AKAI sampler=85= like the AKAI S2000 fairly cheap. By the way if you get you=92re hands on a Ro= land JX-3P then you=92re in ultraworld analogue heaven! _________________________________________ Cheers: Dr.Winston O'Boogie [Dwb] =99 [u.f.orb@telia.com] . [www.uf-orb.com] _________________________________________ Good luck, and hope this helps you, go for the real stuff=85 I know it=92= s some money in these vintage synthesizers but you can=92t get that sound with t= he groovebox. so ive been shopping around for a groovebox. anyone with any comments abo= ut the roland-307? or grooveboxes in general? thannx # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) {off} Happy Birthday! Date: 10 Jul 2000 13:20:44 -0400 Happy Birthday Neil Tennant! {b.1954} "West End Girls" was No.1 in 1986! Coincidentally! Happy B-day to the infamous Arlo Guthrie {b.1947} {son of "This Land is My Land"'s Woodie Guthrie. If you've never heard the full 18 minute version of "Alice's Restaurant Massacre" {from 1969? i think}, it's one of the funniest song/stories ever recorded. A complete symbol of the crazy hippie 60's. In more related news, I got a "Used!" copy of Paul van Dyk's "Out There and Back". For BiG House music, he Rocks, and i'm just mesmerized by th e little samples and the slickness of it all! 2 discs for $10. Yee-HAW! Thamks whoever! Prolly some Merzbow fan ;) It's HOT down here today! 96+ *F with humidity so thick you can slice it onto bread.... Stay cool! Shannnnnnn # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mehul Parekh" Subject: (orbital) wanna see pvd live? Date: 10 Jul 2000 13:22:27 -0000 on video that is...then go to: http://www.jaydee.cz/reviews/evolution2/default.htm download the 26 meg movie and then, go to a search engine and search for "divx" and you should find a copy of the codec to download and then you can watch pvd. without the codec, it d/n work and the link on the page didnt work when i tried it. good luck and go fast because i dont know how much longer the movie is going to be there. bye. Mehul Parekh I __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?DraneTwo?= Subject: (orbital) 4 hours left - 6 Orbital items to buy Date: 11 Jul 2000 08:51:11 +0100 (BST) Orbital - Nothing Left CD Promo - FCDJ365 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=371764378 Orbital - Style CD One - FCD 358 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=371764802 Orbital - Style CD Two- FCDP 358 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=371765076 ORBITAL - IMPACT USA/LUSH (1926 TRANCENDANCE) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=371765331 ORBITAL REMIX - THE DRUM CLUB "Alchemy"12inch http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=371765656 ORBITAL - GUIDE CD RARE Promo http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=371770113 ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AJ Miyagi Brustein Subject: (orbital) Last Mail... Date: 12 Jul 2000 13:28:23 -0400 Hey, this is my last mail for a while (funny it is my first mail in a while too). I am off to Japan on Friday, but Ijust wanted to forward this. It is a WORD OF THE DAY thing that my old old old roomate signed me up for and I delete every day (a mistake since I don't have the most vast vocabulary), but one headline finally caught my eye. We have seen this question enough on this list over the years, so here is the FINAL answer. The story behind P&P's title goes much deeper, but anyway. Later. AJ ----------------- Reply-To: word@M-W.COM *************************************************************** Access the Word of the Day all day long from your desktop - Get Merriam-Webster Dots from DoDots.com - they're FREE! Click here!! - http://www.dodots.com *************************************************************** The Word of the Day for July 8 is: halcyon \HAL-see-on\ (adjective) *1 : calm, peaceful 2 : happy, golden 3 : prosperous, affluent Example sentence: Tara claimed to have found the ideal cure for her stress-related ills: a quiet weekend in the halcyon atmosphere of a beautiful country town. Did you know? According to Greek mythology, Alkyone, the daughter of the god of the winds, became so distraught when she learned that her husband had been killed in a shipwreck that she threw herself into the sea and was changed into a kingfisher. As a result, ancient Greeks called such birds "alkyon" or "halkyon." The legend also says that such birds built floating nests on the sea, where they so charmed the wind god that he created a period of unusual calm that lasted until the birds' eggs hatched. This legend prompted people to use "halcyon" both as a noun naming a species of kingfisher and as an adjective meaning either "of or relating to the halcyon or its nesting period" or "calm." *Indicates the sense illustrated in the example sentence. ---------------- Brought to you by Merriam-Webster Inc. http://www.m-w.com ---------------- Visit http://www.m-w.com/service/subinst.htm to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the Word of the Day mailing list. To subscribe to the list by email, send a blank email to mw-wod-subscribe-request@listserv.webster.m-w.com. To unsubscribe via email, send a blank email to mw-wod-signoff-request@listserv.webster.m-w.com. If you have questions about your subscription, write to mw-wod-request@listserv.webster.m-w.com. Send other questions or comments about the Word of the Day to word@m-w.com. (c) 2000 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K.Campbell" Subject: (orbital) CHEEEEECH! Date: 13 Jul 2000 13:55:05 -0400 Happy Birthday Cheech! {July 13,1946} DaDaDAAN, DaDaDAAN, Daan-Daan-DAAN!!! My mama talkin' to me! Try to tell me how to live! But nothin's gettin to me! 'cause my head is like a sieve! My basketball coach tried to kick me off the team... For wearin' high-heeled sneakers and actin' like a QUEEEEEEEEN!!!! {"Earache My Eye" 1976?, Cheech and Chong's "Next Movie"} :)))) shaman # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "owo* [daniel ramirez centurion]" Subject: (orbital) vive clarify* ! Date: 14 Jul 2000 18:51:07 -0700 wow. -- certex eyes/low-fi designer/orbital/neon lightz at santiago/neon graphite c* ___________: d76.cx phase 3 at al.cl 46. July 00. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) vive clarify* ! Date: 15 Jul 2000 20:41:41 +0200 [shannon's posting] plus this: > wow. > > > > > -- > certex eyes/low-fi designer/orbital/neon lightz at santiago/neon > graphite c* > ___________: d76.cx phase 3 at al.cl > 46. July 00. Ermmm.. Hello? Is anyone here able to speak in clear english sentences? What the fuck are all these messages about/for?? "Wow"... what was this word meant to tell us? I take it your 'artist mind' is just on another level than our 'conventional' minds! <:-) It would be great if you quit the drugs and spoke in clear english sentences, thank you! <:-) DeeKay %$54---- dd fffff oribibibtal -->> ,,,,4eeee i=am,an- artist#with:lotsa++%+++weeerd..innovative#b0nus(ch4r4cters) 44443444---,,,[art] hhuu&waTch+me*go..:...::-* stage-trois.tb303^^^^0100011010 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tango33" Subject: (orbital) non-orbital: pvd Date: 16 Jul 2000 22:36:35 -0400 whoever posted the link with .avi file of paul van dyk, also discussed where you could get the codec to play it with RealPlayer G2. can you send me info again.....I deleted the email. thanks alot pete tong # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "owo* [daniel ramirez centurion]" Subject: (orbital) apologies Date: 17 Jul 2000 12:00:34 -0700 Hi there!. Hey man, so sorry about my last message. I forgot to attach the flash file. I had received a lot of messages from people at my list asking what the fu** is going on.. ha ha i feel so saaaad Okay man, sorry again, i=B4m a stupid. c ya O* -- certex eyes/low-fi designer/orbital/neon lightz at santiago/neon graphite c* ___________: d76.cx phase 3 at al.cl 46. July 00. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Price (LOOPZ)" Subject: (orbital) Looking for Ian from Canada Date: 16 Jul 2000 14:43:10 +0100 Ian from Canada who i met up with at the Autechre gig in Manchester last year - send me your email address. The one i have on file is dead. Steve www.loopz.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lysergic Dream Subject: (orbital) unknown halcyon mix Date: 16 Jul 2000 01:44:51 -0500 was browsing some ftp sites and found a mix of halcyon i'd never seen or heard of... labeled as "orbital - on and on and on (prolixia mix)" anyone have any idea about this one? lysergic ************* Coming Soon ************* The Lysergic Dream - Cult of the Dying Streetlamp This fall/winter on Uncle Buzz Records Check out http://www.zombieproject.com/lysergic for brand new sound samples! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) Senor Coconut Y Su Conjuto : El Baile Aleman Date: 18 Jul 2000 21:32:00 -0700 Has anyone Heard this new album Senor Coconut Y Su Conjuto : El Baile Aleman It's A Kraftwerk Cover CD done with all Mexican/Latin/South American Instruments. It struck me as completely hilarious and rather well done for what it was... Randy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "e. lanum" Subject: (orbital) ot: nyc Date: 20 Jul 2000 12:19:26 GMT excuse me for being a bit off tooopic but.... so me and a friend are leavin today for the big apple...what are the best record shops to check out? how about clothing? also we're going to twilo fri night...any words of advice? thanx oh yeah does anyone haave orbitaal's remix of queen latifah's 'come into my house' on mp3 or other. id give my left arm ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shaun Rader Subject: Re: (orbital) FTP Server? Date: 20 Jul 2000 11:45:07 -0700 (PDT) --- "e. lanum" wrote: > oh yeah does anyone haave orbitaal's remix of queen latifah's 'come > into my house' on mp3 or other. id give my left arm Yeah that would be great!.. is there an Orbital FTP server out there where we can trade mp3 files? Oh man, there used to be one (who ran it, Marc?) and it was great!! I wish I had the resources- I'd help. Shaun __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "benjib" Subject: (orbital) on tv 5 minutes ago Date: 22 Jul 2000 21:34:06 +0100 mornin' orbital were just on uk tv cos its was some program about the seventies and the stylophone was brought up cue modern band who still use it - brothers h talk a bit about making style (the first half of the track is made up of samples just from the stylophone (editted and effected in different ways)) style was written on a friday - makes sense easy now benjib www.tapir.madvision.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EXej@aol.com Subject: (orbital) Fine Day for Halcyon? Date: 23 Jul 2000 02:17:15 EDT I was cruising through Napster today looking for some Orbital and I came across a track labeled "DJ Rodon vs. Orbital-Fine Day for Halcyon". Does anyone know the origins of this track? It sounds like the same vocalist, but with lyrics throughout the track. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Erik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "benjib" Subject: (orbital) confusion - orange view Date: 23 Jul 2000 08:21:50 +0100 mornin' anybody had any luck tracking down this? confusion - orange view antinos records inc cd-arcj3 else anyone on the list currently residing in tokyo or any other major cities in japan have fun benjib www.tapir.madvision.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thing181@aol.com Subject: (orbital) Chime (Unknown Version) Date: 23 Jul 2000 15:31:53 EDT Hello I recently received an MP3 from a friend that was labeled Orbital - The Chime (yah, I know they miss-labeled it). I wasn't expecting too much except the normal version of Chime, but was very surprised when I played it. It starts off with an echo effect and then breaks into a vocal sample saying "Got to keep the Fire Burning.....". It then works into a very nice beat towards the middle of the track. Any info on this? Cheers -Cas- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Rader" Subject: RE: (orbital) Chime (Unknown Version) Date: 23 Jul 2000 12:48:23 -0700 I think that's the Joey Beltram mix.. > It starts off with an echo effect and then breaks into a vocal sample > saying "Got to keep the Fire Burning.....". It then works into a very nice beat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: RE: (orbital) Chime (Unknown Version) Date: 24 Jul 2000 01:13:54 +0200 Close guess! ;-D It's the Ray Keith Mutation... DeeKay > I think that's the Joey Beltram mix.. > > > It starts off with an echo effect and then breaks into a vocal sample > > saying "Got to keep the Fire Burning.....". It then works into a very > nice beat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Rader" Subject: FW: (orbital) Chime (Unknown Version) Date: 23 Jul 2000 13:52:57 -0700 I stand corrected! -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 1:45 PM mornin' that'll be the ray keith mutation from the mutations ep (vinyl only) available on cd on "only for the headstrong" enough already with that panning shit! benjib www.tapir.madvision.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Steve=20Price?= Subject: (orbital) Orbital gigs announced Date: 25 Jul 2000 18:08:13 +0100 (BST) All A few festival/gig dates in various countries have been announced. For full details and further updates - please visit the NEWS section. There is also some news on a Paul Hartnoll DJ Set and the latest on the new album. For Orbital discussions - please visit the FORUM section For more detailed and more freq updates then please join the MAILING list. Steve LOOPZ Price www.loopz.co.uk - i can smell a WARP party - ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) Blah... Date: 25 Jul 2000 18:12:36 +0000 Sine when did this become the Orbital-related MP3 identification ML? Not really complaining; just noticing a lot of that stuff going around. When is Orbital going to release a new album anyway? -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oleg Rekutin Subject: (orbital) OT: Cosmic Baby Date: 25 Jul 2000 16:50:02 -0400 Some off-topic stuff... I "have" Cosmic Baby's "Thinking About Myself" album and I think it whoops major butt. It's definitely one of my all-time favorites and I like every track on that CD (some are just breathtaking). Now recently I decided to get off my ass and find out more about Cosmic Baby. Turns out that, aside from "Thinking About Myself" (April 1994), he has three other albums out. First one is "Stellar Supreme" (November 1992), and then there's "14 Pieces" (November 1995) and then there's "Heaven" (October 1998). So, question is: are these albums as good as "Thinking About Myself" or better? How do they deviate from "Thinking About Myself"? I'm not looking for dancier or "trancier", but instead for more intelligent and emotional (is how you can describe "Thinking About Myself"). If anyone owns one of these albums, I'd appreciate your opinions on it. - Oleg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oleg Rekutin Subject: (orbital) OT: Cosmic Baby (more questions) Date: 25 Jul 2000 16:56:33 -0400 Ok, I just did some more searching, and in addition to the stuff I mentioned, it would also be neat if someone could give their opinion on Cosmic Baby's "Kinetik" and "Stunde Null" CDs. Thanks in advance :) - Oleg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Xanthe Sky" Subject: (orbital) check out some orbital choons.... Date: 25 Jul 2000 17:03:03 MST Hi People, Heres a remix of an old skool fave.... 'Chime (NN Remix)' by 'Orbital'. Click this link to play it: http://www.friskit.com/?m&72852&orbital&a Enjoy, xanthe ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) OT: Cosmic Baby Date: 26 Jul 2000 04:31:52 +0200 > Some off-topic stuff... > > I "have" Cosmic Baby's "Thinking About Myself" album and I think it > whoops major butt. It's definitely one of my all-time favorites and I > like every track on that CD (some are just breathtaking). > > Now recently I decided to get off my ass and find out more about Cosmic > Baby. Turns out that, aside from "Thinking About Myself" (April 1994), > he has three other albums out. First one is "Stellar Supreme" (November > 1992), and then there's "14 Pieces" (November 1995) and then there's > "Heaven" (October 1998). ...what about Futura? 8) I don't like it that much personally, it's too much piano iirc, but it's sure worth a listen!.. > So, question is: are these albums as good as "Thinking About Myself" or > better? How do they deviate from "Thinking About Myself"? I'm not > looking for dancier or "trancier", but instead for more intelligent and > emotional (is how you can describe "Thinking About Myself"). > > If anyone owns one of these albums, I'd appreciate your opinions on it. Get Stellar Supreme!.. It's DEFINATELY his best album! 8) The Space Track and Cosmikk Trigger are two of the most beautiful songs i have ever come across (also featured on the X-mix 1!) Futura, like said, is not my special favourite, but it's still good stuff!.. DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brandon Subject: (orbital)OT: Napster in the spotlight again Date: 26 Jul 2000 11:52:10 -0400 I just read on msnbc, that Napster isn't playing nice with the other classmates. It may be just me, but arn't they kinda pulling a "Do as I say, don't do as I do" type of thing? They send a cease and desist order to Offspring because they started selling shirts with the Napster logo on it? I think that it is pathetic that a company who is all for free use of music and video gets so pissy about someone making a linux version of their program. Even going as far as blocking out computers who were trying to access their servers without using their program. I still use napster, but only because I am looking for a song that I can't find on gnutella "due to not enough napster users going over to gnu. What's everyone's opinion on this, or have I really been out of the loop, and everyone know this already. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shaun Rader Subject: Re: (orbital)OT: Napster in the spotlight again Date: 26 Jul 2000 10:13:57 -0700 (PDT) --- Brandon wrote: > > access their servers without using their program. I still use > napster, but only because I am looking for a song that I can't find > on gnutella "due to not enough napster users going over to gnu. > What's everyone's opinion on this, or have I really been out of the > loop, and everyone know this already. I just read that same thing today about Napster not being nice to outside developers and such. I read that very soon after the Offspring started pirating their shirts there was a deal made that gave all profits to charity. Anyway I'm more interested in you finding rare songs on gnutella! Are there songs out there because I end up searching every single Napster server for things like rare Eat Static and Salt Tank but can't find it that often. If gnutella actually had rare stuff I'd be searching on there too but I checked one time and they didn't even have ONE Eat Static song! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Brostek Subject: Re: (orbital)OT: Napster in the spotlight again Date: 26 Jul 2000 14:04:36 -0400 > I just read that same thing today about Napster not being nice to > outside developers and such. I read that very soon after the Offspring > started pirating their shirts there was a deal made that gave all > profits to charity. Again, pay vs not paying. Lets think about this on their development side Why would others want to make napster clones? To get recognition, to get "props", or to learn how their backend software works to reproduce it under their own name? When you write proprietary code, it does not mean you have to charge for it. But it does mean that it is not open source and therefore the word proprietary. Did AOL like when microsoft made a AIM windows clone? Would poeplesoft be kind to a company that produced a cloned front end to interface with the backend server....more then likely not. It saddens me that so much of society fully accepts the NEWS media's word on any given issue without considering the facts that they opt to leave out to make the story sound more juicy and controversal. I have never seen a non biased report on anything like this in my life and at this point I don't expect to. And yes I read the news, but I don't take them for granted, I learn my facts, consider the ones that where left out that would make a person or business act such a way legally, and then come up with my own opinion. So please don't start a flame war with me about how the NEWS media is better then my own opinion. --JB -- James Brostek Crash or Cra5h on IRC "Some C programmers refer to the # operator as "stringization"; others feel that this term is too great an abuse of the English Language" -K. N. King # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shaun Rader Subject: Re: (orbital)OT: Napster in the spotlight again Date: 26 Jul 2000 13:07:31 -0700 (PDT) --- James Brostek wrote: > > So please don't start a flame war with me about how the NEWS media is > better then my own opinion. I am not sure I follow what we are talking about here. Which part was your opinion and which was news? Because the article I read today at http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2607522,00.html seemed to concur with your opinions that Napster is mean and is doing the same thing AOL or Microsoft does. I love Napster because of the rare songs I can find on there. I don't doubt that they use nasty tactics just like other big companies to try and shut down competition before they even start, etc (like the Linux clone you were talking about). I do see valid points to why Napster wouldn't want to have people using their servers with products not made by them though... It's their servers and they own them right? They can allow or disallow access as they please. ------ Even more off topic about AIM: I don't see the logic in trying to force AOL's AIM to communicate with other instant messenger programs. Who says they are obligated to do so and why? ------ Trying to stay on topic: Is there any Orbital mp3 ftp server up so we don't have to resort to Napster or gnutella? :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Brostek Subject: Re: (orbital)OT: Napster in the spotlight again Date: 26 Jul 2000 17:56:07 -0400 I always express my opinions, some may or may not be the same of the mass media, but they are still mine. I take all possible facts that I can find to determin, and if needed, express my opinions to others. The MS/AOL parity I was talking about was exactly that, clones trying to connect to the napster server. Napster has produced the program for other platforms through binaries. But others have reversed engineered their product, but it still connects to the napster server. Just like when MS offered their chat that would connect to the MS zone and AIM servers. AOL did not like that....its the same with napster. They have put lots of sweat and money into their infrastructure that they do not want clones connecting and possibly crashing or causing more downtime then they already contend with. I like napster, I can find MP3's of things not on CD, and even with the first MP3 car units, I still prefer my cd's cuz at least right now, I find them more convienent and less expensive then revamping my cars system. > ------ > Even more off topic about AIM: > > I don't see the logic in trying to force AOL's AIM to communicate with > other instant messenger programs. Who says they are obligated to do so > and why? It was AOL's AIM trying to stop MS from connecting to the AIM servers, not the other way around. This was a MS decision, a bad on considering the current spotlight on the browser wars that where already giving them bad enough press in the major population. > Is there any Orbital mp3 ftp server up so we don't have to resort to > Napster or gnutella? :) I have my own private collection, but I dont make them public...at least not right now, I use enough bandwidth with shoutcast. But if there is somthing your looking for I might have it. -JB -- James Brostek Crash or Cra5h on IRC "Some C programmers refer to the # operator as "stringization"; others feel that this term is too great an abuse of the English Language" -K. N. King # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital)OT: Napster in the spotlight again Date: 26 Jul 2000 23:02:04 +0000 Brandon wrote: > > I just read on msnbc, that Napster isn't playing nice with the other > classmates. It may be just me, but arn't they kinda pulling a "Do as I say, > don't do as I do" type of thing? They send a cease and desist order to > Offspring because they started selling shirts with the Napster logo on it? > I think that it is pathetic that a company who is all for free use of music > and video gets so pissy about someone making a linux version of their > program. Even going as far as blocking out computers who were trying to > access their servers without using their program. I still use napster, but > only because I am looking for a song that I can't find on gnutella "due to > not enough napster users going over to gnu. What's everyone's opinion on > this, or have I really been out of the loop, and everyone know this already. Fuck them! May their money-littered asses rot in corporate hell, and may they lose their legal case. That bit of news just seriously pissed me off. I use GNapster (the GTK version of Napster for X), and if they are pissed off about that, they can go fuck themselves! GNutella forever! -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital)OT: Napster in the spotlight again Date: 26 Jul 2000 23:07:52 +0000 Shaun Rader wrote: > > Anyway I'm more interested in you finding rare songs on gnutella! Are > there songs out there because I end up searching every single Napster > server for things like rare Eat Static and Salt Tank but can't find it > that often. If gnutella actually had rare stuff I'd be searching on > there too but I checked one time and they didn't even have ONE Eat > Static song! What are you talking about? Every time I search on Gnutella, I get songs that I --NEVER-- find on Napster. Napster may be more popular, but it's popularity is spread across hundreds of servers. Get that popularity on Gnutella, and you'll be able to search for absolutely every song on the planet! -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shaun Rader Subject: Re: (orbital)OT: Napster in the spotlight again Date: 26 Jul 2000 16:14:19 -0700 (PDT) --- Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > > What are you talking about? Every time I search on Gnutella, I get > songs that I --NEVER-- find on Napster. Napster may be more popular, > but it's popularity is spread across hundreds of servers. Get that > popularity on Gnutella, and you'll be able to search for absolutely > every song on the planet! Wow I gotta try it again. I guess I haven't searched gnutella in a few months now.. I use Napigator to go through the extremely painful process of going to EACH Napster server searching for specific songs. So if everyone started using gnutella it would be even better. I hate that 100 search limit too on Napster.. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital)OT: Napster in the spotlight again Date: 26 Jul 2000 23:16:44 +0000 James Brostek wrote: > > Why would others want to make napster clones? To get recognition, to > get "props", or to learn how their backend software works to reproduce > it under their own name? When you write proprietary code, it does not > mean you have to charge for it. But it does mean that it is not open > source and therefore the word proprietary. How about ports to alternative operating systems, you fucking jackass?! When the programmer fails to deliver on other people's demands, people turn to other sources, and it's their god given right to do so. > It saddens me that so much of society fully accepts the NEWS media's > word on any given issue without considering the facts that they opt > to leave out to make the story sound more juicy and controversal. I > have never seen a non biased report on anything like this in my life > and at this point I don't expect to. It saddens me that so many people think they know what the fuck they are talking about when they are in fact talking outta their ass! I happen to be a GNU programmer, and -I- know what the fuck I'm talking about! I'm insulted when some shit-for-brains makes a million off of some stupid piece of shit software that just so happens to get popular, and then gets pissy when somebody writes a better version for free. If you don't like it, get out of the capitalistic grind and start writing some quality GNU code. If you can't stand the heat, get your fucking ass outta the kitchen! -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Linkblaster Date: 27 Jul 2000 00:10:49 +0000 Skip Acuff wrote: > > Name: TEXT.htm > TEXT.htm Type: Hypertext Markup Language (TEXT/HTML) > Encoding: base64 Putting your message in a attachment is VERY annoying. Never do that again. > Is this Linkblaster program (see below) the death knell of MP3 trading? Is > it limited to Napster or can it be used to kill MP3 links on Gnutella or > i-drive, for instance? > > LINKBLASTER ALLOWS FOR REMOVAL OF LINKS > MP3Board.com has developed a novel way to alleviate > copyright holder concerns about links to music files. > LinkBlaster allows the owners of music copyrights to sign up > for an individual account, review the links to music files and > Web pages found on the MP3Board database and remove links to > infringing works. > http://www.mercurycenter.com/svtech/news/breaking/merc/docs/022726.htm No. Nobody does MP3 web trading, so it doesn't matter. I think it's a stupid idea, because it's just a glorified search engine. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chump Subject: (orbital) http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-2354002.html Date: 27 Jul 2000 03:21:02 +0200 hey please say goodbye to your napster http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-2354002.html -- bye chump chump@netvision.net.il # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital)OT: Napster in the spotlight again Date: 27 Jul 2000 03:12:44 +0200 > James Brostek wrote: > > > > Why would others want to make napster clones? To get recognition, to > > get "props", or to learn how their backend software works to reproduce > > it under their own name? When you write proprietary code, it does not > > mean you have to charge for it. But it does mean that it is not open > > source and therefore the word proprietary. > > How about ports to alternative operating systems, you fucking jackass?! Easy, Brendan!.. Watch your words! We DO wanna keep a moderate and respectful tone on this list! > When > the programmer fails to deliver on other people's demands, people turn to other > sources, and it's their god given right to do so. Hehe, phear the power of opensource! 8) We have reached a stage where companies can't afford to NOT support Linux, cause if they refuse to ("no market!") it will often hit back on them bigtime, just look at the DVD-Hack: Originated from the mere need of the Linux Opensource-community for a DVD-player and the Companies' refusal to make one themselves for Linux! >:-) Now look at the mess they're in!.. Suing www.2600.org for links cause they don't have any other aim to vent their anger at, how pathetic!.. DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-2354002.html Date: 27 Jul 2000 03:32:16 +0200 > hey > please say goodbye to your napster > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-2354002.html Okay, i personally never needed and used it anyway! >:-) Still, it kicked the Musicindustry's ass, which is great!.. Fighting Napster makes the RIAA seem like fighting windmills - mp3 has had its own dynamics from the very start, and there's no way the genie goes back in the bottle!... All this napster/www.2600.org fighting won't change SHIT!.. >:-) People know mp3, people use mp3, people want mp3, they don't give us mp3 - well fuck them! >:- ) We'll make our own!.. I heard the RIAA wants to sell liquid audio online now - at the SAME PRICE as a CD in the stores!... Hello? How stupid do you think we are? Your profits would be even HIGHER if we did that!... Plus liquid audio is worse in quality!.. What's all this shite with copyright-respecting music-formats?.. HOW is that supposed to work then? I may only copy a file x times - gimme a fucking break!.. We're talking files here, digital copying!.. The question of HOW that should work left aside: How long do you fuckheads think it'll take till there were hacks, cracks and mp3- converters available?? The RIAA has gotta face it and go down with the prices, or they're doomed!.. It's as simple as that!.. If the power is with the people (which it definately is with mp3 - that's no hippie BS!) there's no use fighting it, even if you're the big bad RIAA! >:-) Same goes for M$/Opensource btw!.. ;-D DeeKay P.S.: ah, Halcyon! 8) nice! ;-D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "e. lanum" Subject: Re: (orbital)OT: Napster in the spotlight again Date: 27 Jul 2000 01:37:35 GMT pardon me for jumping in on this late....its probably already been discussed but.. arent there most likely other "little napsters" running around and also couldnt someone (even napster) move their operations to a foreign domain? like i said pardon me if my arguements have already been debated, i lost all the messages in my inbox when my computer got sick ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Brostek Subject: Re: (orbital)OT: Napster in the spotlight again Date: 26 Jul 2000 22:39:11 -0400 How about you show me some maturity and have a discussion to show your point of view without trying to insult me first. To start with, napster in the early days had official binary releases as I stated before supporting solaris, linux, and freebsd. Over time non official reverse engineered open source ports where released. This includes the GTK ripoff of the original unix port call Gnapster. So instead of wasting your time insulting me, please tell me if you hate it that much, why are you getting into this discussions about corperate politics guiding legal actions of napster? It seems you cannot stand the heat. I am sure you would bend the moment a corperation jumped down your neck about a port you made that connected to their server. I know what I am talking about. I know, love and completely support GNU movement. And I am sure it adds up to just as much or more then your inability to act like an adult and listen to someone elses opinion without needing to insult them or accuse I know nothing. First off, Nap made NOTHING off his program, he is not selling it, he is not charging for it....what he does have makes you jealous, he has a VC backing him. Oh wait so did Winamp and now it has the AOL backing...good or bad its money. It always starts the same way, and there is always someone like you to insult someone who is trying to have a calm, logical debate on an issue. Let me ask you this, if you wrote a great program, and a VC offered to create a company around it and dump 2-5 million of VC cash into it. Would you say f-off or would you take the money and laugh your way to the bank? I think you would take the money. But I could be wrong, maybe your just out for the props of reverse engineering someones closed proprietary source to write your own interface to it. If you understood the corperate kitchen, you would understand exactly what napster is doing and why. --JB -- James Brostek Crash or Cra5h on IRC "Some C programmers refer to the # operator as "stringization"; others feel that this term is too great an abuse of the English Language" -K. N. King # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "morpheus" Subject: Re: (orbital)OT: Napster in the spotlight again Date: 26 Jul 2000 22:36:12 -0700 > It saddens me that so many people think they know what the fuck they are talking > about when they are in fact talking outta their ass! I happen to be a GNU > programmer, and -I- know what the fuck I'm talking about! I'm insulted when > some shit-for-brains makes a million off of some stupid piece of shit software > that just so happens to get popular, and then gets pissy when somebody writes a > better version for free. If you don't like it, get out of the capitalistic > grind and start writing some quality GNU code. If you can't stand the heat, get > your fucking ass outta the kitchen! Hey dipshit, if you want to sound intelligent then start by not ranting and raving. You make your self into the "jackass" And incase you forgot, it doesn't cost you anything to use Napster, so how is it capitalist? Now who doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about. If anything, napster would be more communist in the way that it is shared to all for free. kevin (morpheus) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital)OT: Napster in the spotlight again Date: 27 Jul 2000 08:36:27 +0000 morpheus wrote: > > Hey dipshit, if you want to sound intelligent then start by not ranting and > raving. You make your self into the "jackass" And incase you forgot, it > doesn't cost you anything to use Napster, so how is it capitalist? Now who > doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about. If anything, napster > would be more communist in the way that it is shared to all for free. Hey, I take it personally when somebody starts bashing the GNU community and they don't even know what the fuck they are talking about. If I'm going to flame, I'll flame, but it's always going to be an intelligent flame. So, it's your fault if you don't bother reading the message to find that out. No, Napster doesn't cost anything, but what the hell do you think they would care about their clients using their product? Money. Advertizing. Future investments in getting the Napster program to spit out ads after every MP3 you download. Of course, that system is a house of cards unless they corner the market on the original Napster client. Otherwise, there will be clones that -won't- spit out the ads, and they'll lose money. By the way, unless you want to be flamed again, I'd seperate the ideas of communism and socialism. Communism is a fucked-up and broken form of socialism. And Napster is NOT a socialistic system because the product may be free, but the code itself is hidden. OTOH, any GNU program would fit the socialistic mold just fine. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital)OT: Napster and GNU development... Date: 27 Jul 2000 08:57:58 +0000 James Brostek wrote: > > How about you show me some maturity and have a discussion to show your > point of view without trying to insult me first. I will when you start to show me some respect to the people who write these programs. Not everybody writes this shit "to get recognition, to get props, or to learn how their backend software works to reproduce it under their own name". Some people just want a goddamn port to the their OS. > To start with, napster > in the early days had official binary releases as I stated before supporting > solaris, linux, and freebsd. Over time non official reverse engineered open > source ports where released. This includes the GTK ripoff of the original > unix port call Gnapster. So instead of wasting your time insulting me, > please tell me if you hate it that much, why are you getting into this > discussions about corperate politics guiding legal actions of napster? Ripoff? See, this is the bullshit that I'm talking about. Do you even know who wrote these programs and how long they took to write it? Do you even know how long it took to reverse-engineer the protocol? Next time you start flaming these guys, be sure you have a good reason to do so. > It seems you cannot stand the heat. I am sure you would bend the moment a > corperation jumped down your neck about a port you made that connected to > their server. You don't know me, so don't even try to guess. If you did, you'd know I'm a stubborn motherfucker that won't bend his morals for nobody. I'd likely take it to court, and I know that those GNU lawyers can eat a man alive in seconds... > I know what I am talking about. I know, love and completely > support GNU movement. And I am sure it adds up to just as much or more > then your inability to act like an adult and listen to someone elses opinion > without needing to insult them or accuse I know nothing. First off, Nap > made NOTHING off his program, he is not selling it, he is not charging for > it....what he does have makes you jealous, he has a VC backing him. Oh > wait so did Winamp and now it has the AOL backing...good or bad its money. > It always starts the same way, and there is always someone like you to insult > someone who is trying to have a calm, logical debate on an issue. For the record, WinAMP sold out. They had plently of good business going until they were attracted by AOL's money. ICQ and Netscape got hit on a low point in their business, and were bought out. I plan on using Mozilla when it comes out (not Netscape), and for the time being, ICQ is the best choice. As far as Napster goes, I have the option of GNutella and I'm going to take it. > Let me ask you this, if you wrote a great program, and a VC offered to create > a company around it and dump 2-5 million of VC cash into it. Would you > say f-off or would you take the money and laugh your way to the bank? I would say fuck off. Seriously. You don't believe me? I have a great message board that I could potentially make lots of money off of, but I don't because there are more important things in life than money. You want a more detailed answer? Here: http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/stories/thanx.html > I think you would take the money. But I could be wrong, maybe your just > out for the props of reverse engineering someones closed proprietary source > to write your own interface to it. Why are these the only two choices? How about just making a port for Linux? If there are problems with the Linux version of Napster, then people are going to bitch and use (or create) something else. I'd love it if somebody created a better Real player for Linux, because the one they have now totally sucks ass! > If you understood the corperate kitchen, you would understand exactly what > napster is doing and why. I know exactly why, but it's going to fail. Miserably. I think I explained it well in my reply to Morpheus' message. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital)OT: Napster in the spotlight again Date: 27 Jul 2000 09:01:35 +0000 deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: > > Hehe, phear the power of opensource! 8) We have reached a stage > where companies can't afford to NOT support Linux, cause if they > refuse to ("no market!") it will often hit back on them bigtime, just > look at the DVD-Hack: Originated from the mere need of the Linux > Opensource-community for a DVD-player and the Companies' > refusal to make one themselves for Linux! >:-) Now look at the > mess they're in!.. Suing www.2600.org for links cause they don't > have any other aim to vent their anger at, how pathetic!.. Heh. That battle is so fierce that somebody made another program called "DeCSS", which takes out the CSS from a HTML page. The aim is to confuse the corporate lawyers from hunting down "DeCSS", the DVD-player for Linux. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: Re: (orbital)OT: Napster in the spotlight again Date: 27 Jul 2000 10:09:59 -0400 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > How about ports to alternative operating systems, you fucking jackass?! Take your medication, dude! Talk about a fucking jackass... %^D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oleg Rekutin Subject: (orbital) OT: just a helpful suggestion Date: 27 Jul 2000 14:36:17 -0400 Most of the e-mail clients today support so-called "killfiles" or filters that automatically delete e-mail coming from a specific name or e-mail address. Killfiles are useful in that they save you from the trouble of pressing the Delete button all the time or even having to bother to look over a worthless or unwelcome message. Save time, save bandwidth, save nerves--put a disruptive poster in a killfile today. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Brostek Subject: Re: (orbital)OT: Napster and GNU development... Date: 27 Jul 2000 16:12:06 -0400 > I will when you start to show me some respect to the people who write these > programs. Not everybody writes this shit "to get recognition, to > get props, or to learn how their backend software works to reproduce > it under their own name". Some people just want a goddamn port to the their OS. I show respect for all of the programmers that write GNU code. If you had any troubleshooting or investigating ability, you would know by now that I own one windows machine. This is for my games. Otherwise I am a linux shop running 5 servers and a slew of mailing lists. I been promiting and involved in GNU since I graduated HS in '93. So if you want respect, its there. If you want to hear my views on why a company would try to protect THEIR intrests not the GNU communities. > Ripoff? See, this is the bullshit that I'm talking about. Do you even know who > wrote these programs and how long they took to write it? Do you even know how > long it took to reverse-engineer the protocol? Next time you start flaming > these guys, be sure you have a good reason to do so. Considering how I have seen napster go. It is a rip off. It was not taken from the original source, it was written through reverse engineering. I would not know how long it took that person, but then I knew the protocol to start with. > You don't know me, so don't even try to guess. If you did, you'd know I'm a > stubborn motherfucker that won't bend his morals for nobody. I'd likely take it > to court, and I know that those GNU lawyers can eat a man alive in seconds... And you don't know me, so why do I get bashed for understanding why a company would react in such a way to protect their investment. Do you know much time it took to write the server code, debug the database issues. Get the bandwidth to handle the connections. Being paged at 4 in the morning to reboot servers because they locked up and finally get to a point where it is stable. Only to have someone who reverse engineered their protocol open connect to their server and start the process of troubleshooting crashes all over again. Only because the port does not handle the connections properly/]? I know I have run into this problem, if the protocol is not GNU, then how can you conceive to write a port for something that runs on a proprietary protocol? > For the record, WinAMP sold out. They had plently of good business going until > they were attracted by AOL's money. ICQ and Netscape got hit on a low point in > their business, and were bought out. I plan on using Mozilla when it comes out > (not Netscape), and for the time being, ICQ is the best choice. As far as > Napster goes, I have the option of GNutella and I'm going to take it. I am surprised you are not running it already. I am already running beta versions and have no more issues then running linux netscape. Gnutella is a great program I have found some rare mixes through it, and I will continue to use it like I have been for the past 6 months when I found a use for it other then pirated software. > I would say fuck off. Seriously. You don't believe me? I have a great message > board that I could potentially make lots of money off of, but I don't because > there are more important things in life than money. You want a more detailed > answer? Here: > > http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/stories/thanx.html Thats great for you. But if I was trying to make a living off my programming and to no longer be the corperate slave. I think I would change it. I work for a CLEC's ip backbone, I know and live polotics of a large company ever day. So it seems we differ in opinions. But that is exactly in, MY opinion. So instead of attacking me with insults, why dont you argue your opinion and look like a much more mature and intelligent adult. That way you won't get slammed with all of the emails attacking your back. Two of us where having a discussion, a debate on the actions of Napster. I saw it as justified for a company trying to survive in the ways it needs to. > Why are these the only two choices? How about just making a port for Linux? If > there are problems with the Linux version of Napster, then people are going to > bitch and use (or create) something else. I'd love it if somebody created a > better Real player for Linux, because the one they have now totally sucks ass! I never said I would not make a port. If anything it would be out on linux before windows. Since porting from linux to windows is more of ruining your program for those less fortunate to be running a unix varient. However, I don't think I would offer the source depending on how I felt about the program I wrote. If it was my billing system that I was selling, I would never offer the source, only precompiled binaries for all standard system loads and varients. > I know exactly why, but it's going to fail. Miserably. I think I explained it > well in my reply to Morpheus' message. I see your views, but I continue to disagree. But then that would again be my opinion. So here is a suggestion for next time around. If you feel someone is bashing GNU. Act like an adult, don't got for the direct insult. Instead express your feelings about the possible GNU bashing and have a real, solid, and calm discussion/debate. You may be able to argue like that around frineds and co-workers....but I am neither. Keep that on your mind next time. --JB -- James Brostek Crash or Cra5h on IRC "Some C programmers refer to the # operator as "stringization"; others feel that this term is too great an abuse of the English Language" -K. N. King # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brandon Subject: (orbital)OT: I believe I made a mistake Date: 27 Jul 2000 16:23:00 -0400 I apologize for starting the napster discussion, I didn't think that it would eat the list this quickly. So, once again, I apologize for causing anyone misery, and causing their inbox to get slammed. "Im getting them to so I am paying for it as well" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nub Subject: (orbital) i am upset Date: 27 Jul 2000 14:49:04 -0600 (MDT) i interrupt your regularly-scheduled orbital-list with a small contribution to the downward spiral of hell into which it seems to have sunk as of late. > How about ports to alternative operating systems, you fucking jackass?! before i respond to the above COMPLETELY UNPROVOKED statement, i'd like to delicately point out that this conversation has nothing to do with orbital, and is only tangentially related to music, and even less so to electronic music. so please, either try to stay on-topic or move it to another list. there's tons of them out there, i'm sure you guys know better than i do. i've never been a proponent of list moderation or censorship, and usually the delete key works for me just fine, but when an entire digest is taken up by a few people talking obscure OT computer drivel, enough is enough. if i cared about that shit i'd be on another list. what i do care about is orbital. please, god, can we talk about orbital? just once? and now, what i really want to say: FUCK YOU BRENDAN. this list took a nose-dive the minute you signed on, and i'm quite frankly amazed that i didn't unsub immediately. my bad, but it's too late now; i must persevere! from what i've gathered over the past year, the great majority of the list does not want you here - you wore out your welcome long ago. the negativity that consistently spews from your fingertips is a total downer on almost everone, and is completely unappreciated. you are the embodiment of anti-PLUR. please, either quickly invest in a serious attitude adjustment, or leave us in peace. i'm sure there's a whole world of bedroom-ridden computer geeks out there who would just love to argue on your developmentally-disabled level about GNU or whatever, 24-7. find these people, have a GNU-party, go crazy, whatever, just please don't continue to infest the list with your bullshit. apologies of this offends anyone's delicate sensibilities. i am numb at this point. the orbital-list has fallen to its all-time nadir. hopefully there's nowhere to go but up. (didn't somebody say the exact thing about the idm-l recently? this is about 10^9 times worse than that. my god, sometimes there's even *information* posted to the idm-l!) can i get a whut whut? nub # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital)OT: I believe I made a mistake Date: 28 Jul 2000 01:48:14 +0000 Brandon wrote: > > I apologize for starting the napster discussion, I didn't think that it > would eat the list this quickly. So, once again, I apologize for causing > anyone misery, and causing their inbox to get slammed. "Im getting them to > so I am paying for it as well" Nah. It was more of my fault than anybody else. I'm sorry for starting a big flame war over a misunderstanding. I just wish this damn medium was more expressive than it is. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) i am upset Date: 28 Jul 2000 01:52:18 +0000 Nub wrote: > > and now, what i really want to say: FUCK YOU BRENDAN. Oh and this isn't anti-PLUR? Nice one, Nub. Frankly I really don't give a shit. Leave. Bye. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Oh, and please don't bother me with hate e-mails either. BTW, it wasn't an unprovoked statement. I'll admit that it was a misunderstanding, but I'm not going to take back what I did. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Merck17@aol.com Subject: (orbital) OT - McSpotlight Date: 27 Jul 2000 14:56:16 EDT Just wondering if someone on this list (probably goes by the name of Gill) is an active member on the McSpotlight message boards. Just surprising to see if it's true. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: Re: (orbital) i am upset Date: 27 Jul 2000 19:03:24 -0700 Brendan, have you ever considered counseling. You have some serious psychological issues. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Funkenstein" Subject: Re: (orbital) i am upset Date: 27 Jul 2000 22:31:44 -0400 >Oh and this isn't anti-PLUR? Nice one, Nub. Frankly I really don't give a >shit. Leave. Bye. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Oh, and >please don't bother me with hate e-mails either. > >BTW, it wasn't an unprovoked statement. I'll admit that it was a >misunderstanding, but I'm not going to take back what I did. Please, you have over reacted in virtually every thread you've been in that's even REMOTELY controversial since you got on this list. You have serious issues handling conflict. Like someone else said you should consider counseling (if this is what you're like in real life as well as online). The biggest question I don't understand is how you can persist in doing this despite the fact that everyone here gives you so little respect because of the fact that you have the temper of a 3 year old. I've blown up on people too, but when EVERYONE tells you you're being a dick and they do it EVERY time you get into a heated discussion, it usually means it's time to check yourself. Let me give you a tip...when I was younger I used to get hella upset when I got into arguments too. Then I started learning some philosophy (Socrates is the most relevant in this case) and I read about how he argued by asking questions. I tried doing that, as well as trying to remain perfectly calm. Let me tell you, I made people who used to get my goat every time BLOW UP. One guy who would always "win" our little philosophical debates got so upset he just started screaming and insulting me...this is from a kid who was SO all about being accepting and calm and ALWAYS criticized me for being irrational and getting really pissed. When I "out calmed" him he totally lost it. Remaining calm also lets you put together a FAR more rational argument. And, as a bonus, everyone doesn't discount your arguments almost without reading them because you come off as such a prick. funkenstein@mail.rit.edu - http://www.rit.edu/~dco2393 I've been learnin' more about me / tryin' to help / kill the anger I see and became / in the rain / I try but it's so hard to open up inside -Mystik Journeymen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) i am upset Date: 28 Jul 2000 09:47:18 +0000 (Now that I'm off from work, a more detailed reply...) Nub wrote: > > i interrupt your regularly-scheduled orbital-list with a small > contribution to the downward spiral of hell into which it seems to have > sunk as of late. Yes, because remember kiddies: if there are more than two messages a day on the OML, it is officially in the "downward spiral of hell" stage. > before i respond to the above COMPLETELY UNPROVOKED statement, i'd like to > delicately point out that this conversation has nothing to do with > orbital, and is only tangentially related to music, and even less so to > electronic music. so please, either try to stay on-topic or move it to > another list. there's tons of them out there, i'm sure you guys know > better than i do. i've never been a proponent of list moderation or > censorship, and usually the delete key works for me just fine, but when an > entire digest is taken up by a few people talking obscure OT computer > drivel, enough is enough. if i cared about that shit i'd be on another > list. what i do care about is orbital. please, god, can we talk about > orbital? just once? Oh my god...I've had this same conversation over and over and over again, and I'm sick of it. I tell you what. Everybody just shout whatever the fuck they want on this ML, because we usually don't get enough messages in it anyway. I've said it once and I'll say it again: if all we talked about was Orbital, it would be a pretty fucking boring list. We start topics on this thing because Orbital is doing NOTHING right now. It's going to be fucking boring until they come out with a new album. So, shut the fuck up about staying on topic. Otherwise, I may just have to resort in a little physical violence... Also, for those of you bitching about the volume of the list, here's a hint: use Mr. Filter. Meet Mr. Filter. See Mr. Orbital Message. Watch as Mr. Filter transfers Mr. Orbital Message to Mr. Orbital Folder. Thank Mr. Filter for doing his job. > and now, what i really want to say: FUCK YOU BRENDAN. this list took a > nose-dive the minute you signed on, and i'm quite frankly amazed that i > didn't unsub immediately. my bad, but it's too late now; i must persevere! Oh, excuse me for interrupting your miserable little mundane life! It seems that I can't have any sort of long conversation, flames or not, without some little prick bitching about the volume of "off topic" messages on there. (BTW, your message is off-topic. What the fuck does this have to do with Orbital?!) > from what i've gathered over the past year, the great majority of the list > does not want you here - you wore out your welcome long ago. Can I get a vote here? I may have gotten rid of a few of the pussies that marched off with "Oh my god! Such language! You actually used the f word??!!", but apparently you still remain. What's wrong with you? Leave. Now. > the negativity that consistently spews from your fingertips is a total > downer on almost everone, and is completely unappreciated. you are the > embodiment of anti-PLUR. please, either quickly invest in a serious > attitude adjustment, or leave us in peace. One, a little negativity never hurt anyone. (Considering the world is a negative place and we just don't want a "I love you, you love me" attitude.) Two, PLUR stands for Peace Love Unity and Respect. Respect. Remember that word? Remember that you have to give respect to receive it? > i'm sure there's a whole world of > bedroom-ridden computer geeks out there who would just love to argue on > your developmentally-disabled level about GNU or whatever, 24-7. find > these people, have a GNU-party, go crazy, whatever, just please don't > continue to infest the list with your bullshit. Oh, I'm sure that's a pretty PLURry attitude right there. Let's just insult the whole fucking GNU community right now. I have a girlfriend, thank you. Do you? > apologies of this offends anyone's delicate sensibilities. i am numb at > this point. the orbital-list has fallen to its all-time nadir. hopefully > there's nowhere to go but up. (didn't somebody say the exact thing about > the idm-l recently? this is about 10^9 times worse than that. my god, > sometimes there's even *information* posted to the idm-l!) Oh yeah...just because a few more than normal posts go up, the mailing list is now at an all-time low. > can i get a whut whut? Yeah, what? As in "What in the fuck is your problem?" -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) i am upset Date: 28 Jul 2000 10:05:28 +0000 "Dr. Funkenstein" wrote: > > Let me give you a tip...when I was younger I used to get hella upset when I > got into arguments too. Then I started learning some philosophy (Socrates > is the most relevant in this case) and I read about how he argued by asking > questions. I tried doing that, as well as trying to remain perfectly > calm. Let me tell you, I made people who used to get my goat every time > BLOW UP. One guy who would always "win" our little philosophical debates > got so upset he just started screaming and insulting me...this is from a > kid who was SO all about being accepting and calm and ALWAYS criticized me > for being irrational and getting really pissed. When I "out calmed" him he > totally lost it. Remaining calm also lets you put together a FAR more > rational argument. And, as a bonus, everyone doesn't discount your > arguments almost without reading them because you come off as such a prick. Errr...the object of an argument is not to win. Nor is it to seriously piss off your "opponent". It's to gather information, win or lose. I only get pissed off at somebody when they hit a nerve. Usually it's some insult to me or to an area of interest that I care about. Sometimes it's a misunderstanding. (BTW, I think making the other guy angry solves nothing, so I don't like your methods.) I seem to remember when you blew up when I were talking about how rap was such a fucking piece of shit genre. Why? Because you're a big rap fan. I learned (through a fan of flames) that there's an underground rap scene with better shit all around. Now, I'm willing to read messages fully through a fire, but I'd react the same way if our roles were reversed. (Oh, and didn't a piss off a bunch of Moby fans? I didn't blow up there. That was the other people.) These people don't seem to understand that all flames are not dribble. I never write an unintelligent flame. That's just plain stupid. It's like writing a message in all caps or some shit similar. In any case, I seem to be the scapegoat in a lot of this shit. I'm not the only one here that blows up, though I'll admit I probably do it here the most. Next time somebody else blows up, I'll be sure to punish them with a big long message like Nub's. In fact, I think I'll flame the next person that posts a non-Orbital message, okay? -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: info@kompaktkiste.de Subject: (orbital) promo artwork Date: 28 Jul 2000 13:00:14 +0200 hi, i'm new here and watched the list now for three days in a row without a single orbital related post. is that significant? hope not. please tell me. should i stay or should i go? anyway, to spam this list with some *vaguely* related content: check out my tiny site http://www.kompaktkiste.de 3.600+ electronic music compact discs with tracks, covers, details. i found it has gotten a mention on this list before, and i was wondering if any corrections need to be applied to my http://www.kompaktkiste.de/orbital.htm page. and, which orbital promos with unique artwork have been released? are they listed anywhere, with graphics maybe? i looove looking for these items in real life... (is lazlo's discog out of date or am i looking at the wrong place?) thanks, & ciao, wolf. ----://----------------------------------------------------- mailto:wolf@kompaktkiste.de http://www.soliton-records.de/soliton.htm http://www.kompaktkiste.de ----://----------------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Elliott, Mark (GXS)" Subject: RE: (orbital)OT: I believe I made a mistake Date: 28 Jul 2000 13:08:57 +0200 This may be a rather unpopular opinion but I quite enjoyed these little outbursts. Makes a change from the usual boring crap that gets posted (personally I don't give a shit what your favourite song is...sorry!)...granted it's not really what the list was created for but I'm sure you'll agree it is at least topical. This is a subject that needs debate and I can't think of a better place to have it......I'm sure there will be other artists mailing lists going through the same process at the moment. Just a bit of a shame this turned into a slanging match....but I think that represents the intensity of feelings on this subject. Anyway keep up the good work. PLUR # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital)OT: I believe I made a mistake Date: 28 Jul 2000 15:21:36 +0000 "Elliott, Mark (GXS)" wrote: > > This may be a rather unpopular opinion but I quite enjoyed these little > outbursts. Makes a change from the usual boring crap that gets posted > (personally I don't give a shit what your favourite song > is...sorry!)...granted it's not really what the list was created for but I'm > sure you'll agree it is at least topical. > > This is a subject that needs debate and I can't think of a better place to > have it......I'm sure there will be other artists mailing lists going > through the same process at the moment. Just a bit of a shame this turned > into a slanging match....but I think that represents the intensity of > feelings on this subject. > > Anyway keep up the good work. > PLUR Woohoo! Somebody that understands! -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Funkenstein" Subject: Re: (orbital) i am upset Date: 28 Jul 2000 12:39:10 -0400 > >Errr...the object of an argument is not to win. Nor is it to seriously >piss off >your "opponent". It's to gather information, win or lose. I only get pissed >off at somebody when they hit a nerve. Usually it's some insult to me or >to an >area of interest that I care about. Sometimes it's a >misunderstanding. (BTW, I >think making the other guy angry solves nothing, so I don't like your >methods.) Well, if you're dealing with an opponent who actually has a well constructed argument, they don't get upset. My friend blew up because his argument was extremely weak (something I had known for a long time, but had never been able to prove). I used to have some pretty excellent dicussions with another friend of mine who was way more into philosophy than me, and he would never get upset. Having the other person blow up is only one way the argument can go. As for an argument being an exchange of ideas, I agree. However, how is it an exchange of ideas when you call people name and overreact EVERY time. >I seem to remember when you blew up when I were talking about how rap was >such a >fucking piece of shit genre. Why? Because you're a big rap fan. I learned >(through a fan of flames) that there's an underground rap scene with >better shit I never said I was perfect. I still blow up now and then, but you do it almost EVERY TIME. And almost EVERY TIME it turns out that you misinterpreted what they said. You just keep beating your head against the wall. No matter how many times you hurt your head, you still think you're going to knock the wall down by beating your head against it. >These people don't seem to understand that all flames are not dribble. I agree with this but... > I never write an unintelligent flame. THIS is bull. >like Nub's. In fact, I think I'll flame the next person that posts a >non-Orbital message, okay? Why don't you just try engaging in intelligent, calm discussion like the vast majority of people here do. I'm not saying that flaming people has no place, flaming people is fun (and sometimes you just have to do it)...but this is ridiculous with you...you start these flame wars for NO reason! funkenstein@mail.rit.edu - http://www.rit.edu/~dco2393 It's wild how you never know where your life could go So many try to slow your roll in these trails of life -Mystik Journeymen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) Astralwerks wants Girl DJs! Date: 29 Jul 2000 14:12:02 -0400 Hey femme fatal DJs! In case you don't get the Astralwerks newsletter, there is a 'call for entries' for girl DJs to be included on a 2001 sampler disc. Good luck Here's the dope! UNKNOWNWERKS http://www.unknownwerks.com/ Astralwerks has teamed up with Girls On (part of the Oxygen Network) to look for the new crop of American female electronic artists. We want to hear your demos for possible inclusion on unknownwerks : volume 02 (to be released in 2001). All demos submitted will be listened to by the Unknownwerks A+R team and one or more tracks may end up on the next unknownwerks collection. If selected, you'll also be featured on www.girlson.com. For full details on demo requirements and where to send them, head over to http://www.unknownwerks.com/girlson.html Shan-man >8^) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) {THE topic} Can I get a vote here? Date: 29 Jul 2000 15:20:20 -0400 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > Can I get a vote here? I may have gotten rid of a few of the pussies that > marched off with "Oh my god! Such language! You actually used the f word??!!", > but apparently you still remain. What's wrong with you? Leave. Now. It's an aggressive little tumor, ain't It ? At Its request, I'll second the motion: Let all the rest of the remaining Orbital "pussies" have a vote: Should the BiG 'O' List either Filter or Not Filter the Slimewiper? SteveP, Lazlo, get your pencils ready ! 'F'ilter him! Sincerely, Shannon, the #1 Tennessee Orbital Pussy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) {THE topic} Can I get a vote here? Date: 29 Jul 2000 21:26:31 +0000 "Shannon K. Campbell" wrote: > > Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > > Can I get a vote here? I may have gotten rid of a few of the pussies > that > > marched off with "Oh my god! Such language! You actually used the f > word??!!", > > but apparently you still remain. What's wrong with you? Leave. Now. > > It's an aggressive little tumor, ain't It ? > At Its request, I'll second the motion: > > Let all the rest of the remaining Orbital "pussies" have a vote: > > Should the BiG 'O' List either Filter or Not Filter the > Slimewiper? Just drop it. I'm getting sick of arguing. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: Re: (orbital) {THE topic} Can I get a vote here? Date: 29 Jul 2000 14:37:33 -0700 FILTER and i don't mean richard patrick!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) {THE topic} Can I get a vote here? Date: 30 Jul 2000 03:03:00 +0200 > Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > > Can I get a vote here? I may have gotten rid of a few of the pussies > that > > marched off with "Oh my god! Such language! You actually used the f > word??!!", > > but apparently you still remain. What's wrong with you? Leave. Now. > > It's an aggressive little tumor, ain't It ? > At Its request, I'll second the motion: > > Let all the rest of the remaining Orbital "pussies" have a vote: > > Should the BiG 'O' List either Filter or Not Filter the > Slimewiper? > > SteveP, Lazlo, get your pencils ready ! > > 'F'ilter him! Shannon, of all the people on the list I'd have thought a joyful mind like yours would bear with Brendan the longest!... Alas, i can... He's definately got his heart in the right place even though his choice of words is often enough provocative and his favourtie pastime is stepping on people's toes though he often doesn't mean to.. Still, that is NO fucking reason to start a fucking witch-hunt here!.. Hello? We are the fucking ORBITAL-list and not some Nazi- ML!... He's a troublemaker, so what? He's still an Orbital fan and as such is as much entitled to be on this list just as anyone else is!.. I would feel pretty damn miserable if i tolerated this pretty fascistic "i get rid of everyone i don't get along with or don't like" kinda thinking!.. We have NO reason and justification to judge over someone and try to ban him if the reason why he joined the list is to learn and talk about Orbital! Have you ever considered to see the most recent outburst of Brendan (for which he apologized!) from his point of view? He spends a large deal of his time producing opensource-stuff and then someone comes along saying that opensource- reverseengineering is evil (more or less!)... Wouldn't you also feel personally attacked? I agree it IS offtopic, and i agree that his choice of words WAS inappropriate, but dealing with this does *not* mean to ban him!.. You don't deal with a problem by getting it out of your sight, e.g. homeless people and junkies don't disappear just because the government puts them somewhere where the public doesn't notice them and so on.. DeeKay P.S.: Brendan, the "pussies"-thing was YET ANOTHER miserable choice of words... >:-( you really should do something about your temper and manners, i agree on that! Re-reading messages an hour after you wrote them before sending them off for example.. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) Finally!.. Date: 30 Jul 2000 19:41:43 +0200 www.fairtunes.com ..Finally a way to send some money directly to Orbital for all the rare mp3s i got from the net, and i really do intend to send a nice chunk of money, so now i only wonder if anyone ever heard of this? It wouldn't be the first time that money is "mishandled".. So i'd like some opinions before i send my hard-earned money.. is this service trustworthy? Who knows something? DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) Here's to Mr. Price: Date: 30 Jul 2000 19:47:56 +0200 Hey steve.. I feel a little uncomfortable with these fairtune people, plus they still do charge 4% to cover their expenses... How about setting up some "donation" account at some bank for Orbital and publish that information on Loopz? Or is there a way to handle this via Creditcard? It would be much much better since international money orders cost a HUGE amount extra from what i remember!.. Just a suggestion! ;-D DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Rader" Subject: RE: (orbital) Finally!.. Date: 30 Jul 2000 23:10:41 -0700 I would think this has to be a scam! It looks almost legit but the fact that most the people who have contributed money are Anonymous makes me think that no money is being sent and it's all for show. Interesting concept I didn't read much on the web site. I probably will because I wonder how they plan to contact each and every artist to give them their money. > www.fairtunes.com > > ..Finally a way to send some money directly to Orbital for all the > rare mp3s i got from the net, and i really do intend to send a nice > chunk of money, so now i only wonder if anyone ever heard of this? > It wouldn't be the first time that money is "mishandled".. > So i'd like some opinions before i send my hard-earned money.. is > this service trustworthy? Who knows something? > > DeeKay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Laser Subject: (orbital) RE: Brendan's vote Date: 31 Jul 2000 08:23:45 -0400 My vote is for Brendan to leave this list permanently. For those of us in digest mode, your constant bullshit posts are not filterable and completely worthless. If we all wanted to join a general-discussion mailing list, we'd have joined one that wasn't dedicated to Orbital. Many people don't want you here. You provide nothing but negativity and annoyance to this list. Get a clue and move on. Jim Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: >> from what i've gathered over the past year, the great majority of the list >> does not want you here - you wore out your welcome long ago. >Can I get a vote here? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rik Akey Subject: (orbital) (Orbital) Wasting my time Date: 31 Jul 2000 09:41:49 -0500 Hello I'm a lurker. I get the digest. I'm a very busy guy. So, when I have time to read, I roll through like a week's messages at one time. You can imagine my joy at receiving Orbital Digest V2 #353 this morning. 35K of great music discussion? No. 35K of flames going to and coming from Brendan. If only it were the first time! So, I've wasted 10 minutes of my life reading this. And now, I'm wasting even MORE time to post about it. I'll try to be brief. Should Brendan be booted? No. This should be a free, unrestricted medium. But most polite folks (PLUR or otherwise) believe certain standards of behavior should apply. Most of these should be obvious to everyone. But let me state the one that seems to be most often violated here. If you disagree so vehemently with someone that you must flame them, do it privately. By all means, feel free to continue your discussion, but leave us out of it. Why create a scene? Why resort to foul language? Would you really do this in a physical public place, with strangers' heads all turning in your direction to see what all the fuss was about? Put another way, do you think people who take their problems to Jerry Springer are looking to solve them? I am simply calling for a little decorum. Thousands of lurkers like me (whose valuable reading time was also wasted this morning) are here for the discussion of music. Let's discuss it. -- Rik Akey Key Publications 641 S. 62nd Street Milwaukee, WI 53214 Phone: (414) 259-1710 FAX: (414) 259-9799 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Rader" Subject: RE: (orbital) Brendan's vote Date: 31 Jul 2000 07:37:58 -0700 While I am shocked at times at how blunt Brendan is I don't think anyone should ever be 'kicked off' of a list unless he was a total annoyance. I've seen a message board with a guy who terrorized the thing by replying to EVERY message attacking the people personally with no basis behind argument. At least Brendan has something to say behind any extreme words he may use. The dream of a list that is always on topic seems to be an impossibility (I'm on many lists and I don't think any of them are on topic really). The fact that he hates Moby should get him kicked off more than his behavior! :) j/k > [mailto:owner-orbital@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jim Laser > > My vote is for Brendan to leave this list permanently. For those of us in > digest mode, your constant bullshit posts are not filterable and > completely > worthless. If we all wanted to join a general-discussion mailing > list, we'd > have joined one that wasn't dedicated to Orbital. Many people don't want > you here. You provide nothing but negativity and annoyance to this list. > Get a clue and move on. > > Jim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Brendan's vote Date: 31 Jul 2000 12:22:40 EDT Yeah, I mean, I'm a once-list-activist-turned-lurker (I guess) and I haven't seen anything really related to Orbital. I know that they don't have an album or tour going on right now, but why can't we talk about them anyway? What about bootlegs, trades, different Orbital garbage that we can spill about ourselves? Why are we talking about the stuff we're talking about? Last summer, even though Brendan was being a tool (sorry man), we still had some good action on the list, and good topics too. This summer, the list is flat out DEAD. So, this shows that it's not Brendan that's the problems, it's all of us. What the hell happened? We have people sending 5 word posts to the list, and and that's basically the way it's been for a LONG time now. Wake up! Rob ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Brendan's vote Date: 31 Jul 2000 19:38:07 +0000 Robert Schultz wrote: > > So, this shows that it's not Brendan that's the problems, it's all of us. > What the hell happened? We have people sending 5 word posts to the list, and > and that's basically the way it's been for a LONG time now. Wake up! I said it earlier: Orbital's not doing anything, so it's not very active. Even so, I think JUST talking about Orbital is kinda boring. People all around here have an interest in the rave scene, drugs, techno music, MP3s, etc., etc. When people bitch about being offtopic more than I flame, then we have a REAL problem! :) -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital