From: Rik Akey Subject: (orbital) (Orbital) News from djmixed.com Date: 01 Nov 2001 16:06:11 -0600 This slightly shocking bit of news just landed in my inbox. Thought it might stir some conversation. ----- 10.31.2001 The techno duo Orbital has parted company with their long-standing record label London Records/FFRR. The band, comprising brothers Phil and Paul Hartnoll, joined London Records in 1990, and after ten successful years, the label decided not to renew their contract. It's thought that Orbital will either sign to a large independent label, or put out future work themselves. A spokesperson for the band told iCrunch: "They're taking time out to see what happens next. They're currently in LA looking at some film offers and they might sign to another major label or even an independent. They may even release stuff themselves. Let's say they are enjoying their freedom." It's likely that an Orbital greatest hits album will be released through London sometime next spring. ------ Comments? Idle speculation? -Rik Akey # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: Re: (orbital) (Orbital) News from djmixed.com Date: 01 Nov 2001 14:20:56 -0800 Its about time. .matthewford. Rik Akey wrote: > This slightly shocking bit of news just landed in my inbox. > Thought it might stir some conversation. > > ----- > 10.31.2001 > The techno duo Orbital has parted company with their long-standing > record label London Records/FFRR. > > The band, comprising brothers Phil and Paul Hartnoll, joined London > Records in 1990, and after ten successful years, the label decided not > to renew their contract. It's thought that Orbital will either sign to a > large independent label, or put out future work themselves. > > A spokesperson for the band told iCrunch: "They're taking time out to > see what happens next. They're currently in LA looking at some film > offers and they might sign to another major label or even an > independent. They may even release stuff themselves. Let's say they are > enjoying their freedom." > > It's likely that an Orbital greatest hits album will be released through > London sometime next spring. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: Re: (orbital) (Orbital) News from djmixed.com Date: 01 Nov 2001 15:58:24 -0800 before i get flamed for my reply i thought i should clarify by saying that i dont think london has done the best of jobs in promoting the brothers because they (london) cant easily pigeon hole them .matthewford. Rik Akey wrote: > This slightly shocking bit of news just landed in my inbox. > Thought it might stir some conversation. > > ----- > 10.31.2001 > The techno duo Orbital has parted company with their long-standing > record label London Records/FFRR. > > The band, comprising brothers Phil and Paul Hartnoll, joined London > Records in 1990, and after ten successful years, the label decided not > to renew their contract. It's thought that Orbital will either sign to a > large independent label, or put out future work themselves. > > A spokesperson for the band told iCrunch: "They're taking time out to > see what happens next. They're currently in LA looking at some film > offers and they might sign to another major label or even an > independent. They may even release stuff themselves. Let's say they are > enjoying their freedom." > > It's likely that an Orbital greatest hits album will be released through > London sometime next spring. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brandon" Subject: (orbital) (Off topic, and disturbing) Date: 06 Nov 2001 01:45:05 -0500 Im not sure whats more disturbing, the fact that they did this, or what they were trying to find out.. Scientists kill mice with dance music by Danielle Demetriou Scientists who forced drugged mice to endure fatal doses of loud dance music have been accused of " despicable" cruelty by animal welfare campaigners. The study by Cambridge University examined how loud music strengthens the harmful effects of methamphetamine, the drug commonly known as speed. Wendy Higgins of the British Union for the Abolition of Vivisection, said: "These sick experiments are absolutely despicable. Just because people choose to take drugs and go to raves doesn't justify subjecting animals to suffering and death in a laboratory." The scientists, who used a total of 238 mice in the experiment, concluded that loud music strengthened the toxic effects of methamphetamine in animals. http://www.thisislondon.com/dynamic/news/story.html?in_review_id=470967&in_r eview_text_id=424979 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) Testing... Date: 10 Nov 2001 23:56:57 -0500 Just rejoined (again). Wondering if anybody was alive. Did The Altogether drive away THIS many fans?! :P -- Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.org) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.org/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "SR Cranks" Subject: (orbital) testing Date: 11 Nov 2001 05:13:25 +0000 Some of us are still here, but the list is very quiet for the most part. Guess everyone just goes to the Loopz message board. Welcome back! Cranks www.silencerepellent.com +--(Movin' Molecules)--+ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Trym B Asserson Subject: Re: (orbital) testing Date: 11 Nov 2001 13:26:25 +0100 (CET) still here, although with the altogether (which i still haven't brought myself to buy) I lost some interest in orbital. the music didn't strike me as ingenious and capturing like past efforts from the brothers, many tracks were revamped earlier remixes or b-sides, and all in all i've been a bit standish-off. guess i need to go to one of their concerts again to rekindle that original appreication of their music. on this note though (the Altogether), is the DVD worth buying? Does it contain a lot extra (of quality that is worth having) other than the tracks? with all this said, it is not to be claimed that i've abandoned Orbital, they're just laid on ice for a little while. my fanaticism for their music is too intricately ingrained in the sub-conscious for me to ever stop listening to them entirely. :-) so, scared off to inactivity on the list, but not from the band.. /trym ps : that, and the fact that i'm loaded with work having returned to university. ;) Få din egen @start.no-adresse gratis på http://www.start.no/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Trym B Asserson Subject: Re: (orbital) testing Date: 11 Nov 2001 13:26:25 +0100 (CET) still here, although with the altogether (which i still haven't brought myself to buy) I lost some interest in orbital. the music didn't strike me as ingenious and capturing like past efforts from the brothers, many tracks were revamped earlier remixes or b-sides, and all in all i've been a bit standish-off. guess i need to go to one of their concerts again to rekindle that original appreication of their music. on this note though (the Altogether), is the DVD worth buying? Does it contain a lot extra (of quality that is worth having) other than the tracks? with all this said, it is not to be claimed that i've abandoned Orbital, they're just laid on ice for a little while. my fanaticism for their music is too intricately ingrained in the sub-conscious for me to ever stop listening to them entirely. :-) so, scared off to inactivity on the list, but not from the band.. /trym ps : that, and the fact that i'm loaded with work having returned to university. ;) Få din egen @start.no-adresse gratis på http://www.start.no/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Trym B Asserson Subject: Re: (orbital) testing Date: 11 Nov 2001 13:27:59 +0100 (CET) still here, although with the altogether (which i still haven't brought myself to buy) I lost some interest in orbital. the music didn't strike me as ingenious and capturing like past efforts from the brothers, many tracks were revamped earlier remixes or b-sides, and all in all i've been a bit standish-off. guess i need to go to one of their concerts again to rekindle that original appreication of their music. on this note though (the Altogether), is the DVD worth buying? Does it contain a lot extra (of quality that is worth having) other than the tracks? with all this said, it is not to be claimed that i've abandoned Orbital, they're just laid on ice for a little while. my fanaticism for their music is too intricately ingrained in the sub-conscious for me to ever stop listening to them entirely. :-) so, scared off to inactivity on the list, but not from the band.. /trym ps : that, and the fact that i'm loaded with work having returned to university. ;) pps : wb, brandon! Få din egen @start.no-adresse gratis på http://www.start.no/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Trym B Asserson Subject: (orbital) hmpf Date: 11 Nov 2001 13:50:49 +0100 (CET) sorry, mail problems... Få din egen @start.no-adresse gratis på http://www.start.no/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Blake" Subject: RE: (orbital) testing Date: 11 Nov 2001 12:56:44 -0000 > Some of us are still here, but the list is very quiet for the most part. > Guess everyone just goes to the Loopz message board. yeah,i'm still here but mainlt use the loopz forum now. phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Barker" Subject: (orbital) Re: Judging music without even listening to it Date: 11 Nov 2001 06:47:47 -0800 What??? Are you, crazy? How can you judge a CD without even listening to it?!?! This seems to be common on this list. I think several people were even trashing the new Crystal Method CD in the same way... That's their loss! Although it took me a couple of listens before I totally fell in love with it, I must say- The Altogether is pure GENIUS! Because of your baseless prejudgement, you completely missed out on the finest show of the year. The Hartnoll brothers are advanced musical entities (Gods if you will), beckoning us all to open our minds and rise up and resonate at the higher frequency the exist on! The new Orbital CD is a very advanced form of music and not for your average listener. In my mind, Orbital gave us poor bastards in the US the 2nd disc as a gift for making us wait SOOOOOO long to finally get the new release, but it was well worth the wait. Beelzebeat & the Weekend Ravers Mix of Funny break kick some serious ass! I think the only thing to be disappointed about is that Phil and Paul will NEVER get to experience an Orbital show like we (the ones who go to the concert) get to. Words cannot describe the kewlness of the new CD. Open your mind and GO BUY IT!!! Now. Or not, it's your choice... -Mike Barker # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AJ Miyagi Brustein Subject: Re: (orbital) testing Date: 12 Nov 2001 01:03:04 +0900 Yea wow, I haven't written to this list for ages. I kind of have not even had time to write emails to my family or friends back in America at all, so there has def not been time for the list, but I have to agree with everything Trym said. I am not a fan of the Altogether, and I have not bought it either. I have (And I think Trym has too) listened to it, we just didn't like it like other Orbital works. I too, love ORbital, and although will probably NEVER get to see them live unless they come out to Tokyo, will never stop ORbital, I just am not listening to them now. Unfortunetly, my two favorite acts, Orbital and Moby have really dissapointed with their newest releases (Play for Moby) and I have given them both a break. Luckily I have found ATB and others to help me through - along with tons of JPOP. Anyway, I hope that everyone puts out more great music, or comes to Tokyo, or both. I also hope that I can be less busy with school and work so I can respond to emails, but what are the chances of that... Anyway, it is good to know that you are all here, just keeping quiet for the time being... Later. AJ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@dfu.de Subject: (orbital) The US-Tour is over, but: Date: 11 Nov 2001 17:27:08 +0100 ...WHERE are the bootlegs? <:-) Dudes, come on, on the last tour we had bootlegs of virtually EVERY gig, and now there hasn't been a single mention of just ONE!.. Bring em on! ;-D DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Agust A J Subject: Re: (orbital) testing Date: 11 Nov 2001 16:57:30 +0000 well... I'll admit it myself I bought the cd and... honestly, it just doesn't fire me up... I've tried to listen to it a few times under different settings and it just doesn't do anything for me. at worst, there's a track or two that I can't stand at all and auto-skip, and at best... well, it's been over a month since I last put it on, and even then I didn't last through it all, I got bored before it ended. :/ --- Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://nem1.cjb.net free your :) [tm] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Judging music without even listening to it Date: 11 Nov 2001 13:07:11 -0500 Mike Barker wrote: > What??? Are you, crazy? How can you judge a CD without even listening to > it?!?! This seems to be common on this list. I think several people were > even trashing the new Crystal Method CD in the same way... That's their > loss! Although it took me a couple of listens before I totally fell in love > with it, I must say- The Altogether is pure GENIUS! Because of your baseless > prejudgement, you completely missed out on the finest show of the year. The > Hartnoll brothers are advanced musical entities (Gods if you will), > beckoning us all to open our minds and rise up and resonate at the higher > frequency the exist on! The new Orbital CD is a very advanced form of music > and not for your average listener. In my mind, Orbital gave us poor bastards > in the US the 2nd disc as a gift for making us wait SOOOOOO long to finally > get the new release, but it was well worth the wait. Beelzebeat & the > Weekend Ravers Mix of Funny break kick some serious ass! I think the only > thing to be disappointed about is that Phil and Paul will NEVER get to > experience an Orbital show like we (the ones who go to the concert) get to. > Words cannot describe the kewlness of the new CD. Open your mind and GO BUY > IT!!! Now. Or not, it's your choice... It's called Morpheus. I'm sorry, but I'm not not going to buy the CD if it has some fucking Elton John-soundalike on one song, a b-side on another, and a bunch of mediocre songs for the rest. As far as the songs that you say "kick some serious ass", those aren't even on the CD. Both are b-sides. I think it's after the brothers shook their heads in shame and try to make-up for it. -- Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.org) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.org/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) testing Date: 11 Nov 2001 13:10:42 -0500 AJ Miyagi Brustein wrote: > Unfortunetly, my two favorite acts, Orbital and Moby have really dissapointed with > their newest releases (Play for Moby) and I have given them both a break. Luckily I > have found ATB and others to help me through - along with tons of JPOP. Anyway, I > hope that everyone puts out more great music, or comes to Tokyo, or both. I also > hope that I can be less busy with school and work so I can respond to emails, but > what are the chances of that... Anyway, it is good to know that you are all here, > just keeping quiet for the time being... Later. Oh, JPOP...say it ain't so! Not that I'm not for Japanese music: they have some great electronica artists, and I dig some of the videogame soundtracks. But, ugh...JPOP is always like 10-15 years behind on the times. There's still doing 80's style rock ballads and hair bands (without the hair). -- Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.org) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.org/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aimee couture Subject: Re: (orbital) Testing... Date: 11 Nov 2001 19:09:33 +0000 (GMT) I'm still here :) I've tried sending messages to the list recently but they've all been bounced back. Let's see if this works. *A # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aimee couture Subject: Re: (orbital) testing Date: 11 Nov 2001 19:11:43 +0000 (GMT) As far as the altogether is concerned.. It didn't do that much for me and then I went to a couple of the gigs and WOW. Now I listen to it like every day. *A # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Rader" Subject: (orbital) Altogether Date: 11 Nov 2001 13:19:46 -0800 I have really liked the cd ever since I heard Tootled in an online dj mix by Paul Hartnoll. At that time I had no idea if that was Orbital (I didn't think it was them but some parts made me think twice) and I tried hard to find out what that song was.. I was surprised to find out it was an unreleased song. I was so happy to hear a cd quality version of that song after hearing it so much on a crap real audio stream. Anyways there are only two songs I don't totally dig on the album (Oi! and Pay Per View). The rest is top notch if you ask me. I always have Meltdown stuck in my head. Shaun # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Barker" Subject: RE: (orbital) Re: Judging music without even listening to it Date: 11 Nov 2001 13:21:49 -0800 Um, what's called "Morpheus"? And just which song are you referring to as the Elton John-sound alike? I don't hear it. Yes, the 2 songs I mentioned are from Disc 2, and since I don't fancy myself as much of a music critic= , I won't try to bore anyone with my interpretations. I'm merely suggesting t= hat when one listens to the new disc, they abandon the pictures, clich=E9s an= d stereotypes that they generally use to filter their experience through wh= en listening to this particular Orbital release, you won't hear any chime or halcyon or impact and I'm glad about it. I wouldn't want to hear the brothers trying to recreate something they did years ago, that would be- = in my opinion- rather boring. They are evolving musically and maybe you just aren't clued into the direction they're going. You don't have to be pisse= d off about it. And like I said- It's your choice to buy or not, I certainl= y won't lose any sleep over it. But, I do think it is incredibly arrogant o= f you to say that the Hartnoll's would even consider releasing a "a bunch o= f mediocre songs". Get real! How many full length, ground-breaking CD's hav= e you produced over the last 10+ years? -Mike Barker >It's called Morpheus. I'm sorry, but I'm not not going to buy the CD if >it has some fucking Elton John-soundalike on one song, a b-side on >another, and a bunch of mediocre songs for the rest. > >As far as the songs that you say "kick some serious ass", those aren't >even on the CD. Both are b-sides. I think it's after the brothers >shook their heads in shame and try to make-up for it. -- Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.org) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.org/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sende= r. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Rader" Subject: RE: (orbital) The US-Tour is over, but: Date: 11 Nov 2001 13:28:11 -0800 Where did you get bootlegs of the last tour? Do we still have an ftp up somewhere? > ...WHERE are the bootlegs? <:-) > Dudes, come on, on the last tour we had bootlegs of virtually > EVERY gig, and now there hasn't > been a single mention of just ONE!.. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Emile Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Hello O-list! Date: 11 Nov 2001 23:44:02 -0500 (EST) Wow, 16 e-mails in one day! Even if half of those were from Trym ;), that's still more traffic than in months. Welcome back Brendan, I'm looking forward to reading the flamewar you get into with Mike Barker. It's true that the loopz forum is the big place to commune right now (I'm using the screen name neolmas over there if you read), but this list has some unique aspects that give something to the experience. My 2 cents on the Altogether... I like it. I happened to pick up the EU version when I was is France over the summer, so my first listens were already biased by being in a state of travel. After seeing Orbital live twice on the US tour, though, and having an incredible time at both, I couldn't help but like the album. But everyone is entitled to think what they want about it, that's what leads to interesting discussion. One of the best things about the tour was getting to meet Steve "Loopz" Price at both shows, and also meeting Brandon Invergo and Doris (who I don't think is on this list, but should be). That means I've met 5 people on the Orbital mailing list- take that Rob Schultz! Speaking of Rob, you still in Spain? How are you doing? Also I've recently had the pleasure (well of course I haven't "had the pleasure" :)) of chatting with Aimee on IM, as well as some other very nice people from the Loopz board, so not only has Orbital changed my life with their music, but they've introduced me to some very nice people as well. Here's to many more years of good music! Marc # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Rader" Subject: RE: (orbital) Hello O-list! Date: 11 Nov 2001 23:53:04 -0800 I met two hardcore Orbital fans at a show in Kansas City. I think it was Jay and Anesthasia (sp?) but I'm not sure if they are on this list. I also met Jeff Fanno at the Hollywood gig briefly. I had recognized the shirt he was wearing (a homemade New Age Travelers shirt that I think Digger or someone else made). Shaun # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Trym B Asserson Subject: Re: (orbital) testing Date: 12 Nov 2001 11:41:27 +0100 (CET) I never said I had not listened to it, and I don't judge without having grounds for it. Read my mail again and you will see I only wrote i had not bought it, not that I had not bothered listening to it. These days there's plenty of ways that can be done. As such, my 'disappointment' still stands firmly justified. /trym > Quoting Mike Barker : > What??? Are you, crazy? How can you judge a CD without even > listening to it?!?! This seems to be common on this list. I think several people ... sorry if i keep repeating these postings, but the Domotool bounced the last one (even though it contains this same text, so I assume it reacted to what was in the quote from Mark) due to content of explicit blah blah blah.. As you see, it's not flaming at all. :) .:: trym :: teeba@start.no :: jazzistant@start.no :. Få din egen @start.no-adresse gratis på http://www.start.no/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SteveC Subject: (orbital) Birmingham Date: 12 Nov 2001 06:42:17 -0500 Anyone make it to Birmingham last night? Havn't been to sleep yet, it rocked. have fun, SteveC steve@fractalus.com fractalus.com/steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pseudonaut Subject: Re: (orbital) Hello O-list! Date: 12 Nov 2001 10:19:22 -0800 (PST) > > One of the best things about the tour was getting to > meet Steve "Loopz" > Price at both shows, and also meeting Brandon > Invergo and Doris (who I > don't think is on this list, but should be) hi! how'd everything go with the hotel then? no problems? :) sorry i couldn't let you stay in my hotel room...wouldn't know how to explain to the people i was staying with that there was suddenly another guy sleeping in the room. ;) right! altogether. i think it's great, but i can definitely see where people don't care for it because it's so different. it slowly grew on me, but to enjoy it i had to draw from other areas in my musical tastes, rather than just being able to like it cause it's orbital. did anyone else find that on a lot of the songs it seems to mash a bit of their old and new styles into it? that's what it seemed like to me. anywho, i still have to actually buy the cd (but you'll be happy to know i haven't downloaded or burned it, just borrowed). ok, and here's a situation. i'm the director of electronic music at my school's radio station. that means that i get to call up promotion companies and get free cds and records (i know, life's tough). anyway, assuming i'm less busy next quarter (which starts in 2 weeks) i was thinking about making a little newsletter with my top 10 chart that i have to send to CMJ and maybe a couple cd reviews and a list of newish cds that i've gotten in, and then send it off to my djs. would you guys like it if i forwarded that on to the big O list? that way i can maybe help bring back some of the old discussions about other good music. up till now i haven't really had the desire to go to the loopz board, though i prolly eventually will. i guess i just liked the convenience of it all piling up in my mailbox, and i was forced to read every last damn letter or else my box would fill up. i miss that :( later! off to el station del radio (i don't speak a lick of spanish...) brandon invergo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Altogether Date: 12 Nov 2001 13:26:47 -0500 Shaun Rader wrote: > I have really liked the cd ever since I heard Tootled in an online dj mix by > Paul Hartnoll. At that time I had no idea if that was Orbital (I didn't > think it was them but some parts made me think twice) and I tried hard to > find out what that song was.. I was surprised to find out it was an > unreleased song. What are you talking about? Tootled was just a rip-off of a Tool song. An extremely overplayed Tool song at that. It's horrible. -- Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.org) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.org/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Barker" Subject: Re:(orbital) testing Date: 12 Nov 2001 10:58:46 -0800 I read your letter before composing my reply and reread it after receivi= ng your follow-up message. I still believe that you have not listened to th= is release. Here's what Websters dictionary says about the word listen- listen v 1: hear with intention; "Listen to the sound of this cello" 2: listen and pay attention; "Listen to your father"; 3. To give close attention with the purpose of hearing; to give ear; to hearken; to attend= ; 4.To make an effort to hear something: listen to the radio; listening for the bell. 5. To pay attention; heed: I know you have not LISTENED to this CD, not even once. For example, the= re are 11 tracks on the CD and none of them struck you as "ingenious and capturing like past efforts from the brothers"??? Hmmm that sounds odd to me. Maybe you should read the reply I gave to Brendan, you both seem to b= e suffering from the same problem(s) (except for the fact that you aren't hostile about your disappointment). I think you probably have a really bu= sy life with lots of stuff going on that gets in the way of your experience = of "listening". To me- you merely went through the motions of playing the tracks that you acquired, illegally or otherwise. If you are able to make it to any of the remaining shows in the UK, I hig= hly recommend that you go because your whole attitude WILL change by the end = of the concert, guaranteed! If you live in the states, then you blew your opportunity to get your mind blown because of your baseless prejudgement. Maybe you let other sour-puses on this list who want to hear recycled old tracks on each new Orbital release pollute your mind before you gave the = new CD a fair chance. Anyway, I acknowledge that my opinion will differ from most people and that's fine with me. How pathetic life would be if we all agreed on everything. Cheers to diversity without adversity! -Mike Barker ----- Original Message ----- > From: Trym B Asserson > To: Mike Barker > Cc: > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 2:41 AM > Subject: Re: (orbital) testing > > > > I never said I had not listened to it, and I don't judge without havi= ng > grounds > > for it. Read my mail again and you will see I only wrote i had not bought > it, > > not that I had not bothered listening to it. These days there's plent= y of > ways > > that can be done. As such, my 'disappointment' still stands firmly > justified. > > > > /trym > > > > > Quoting Mike Barker : > > > What??? Are you, crazy? How can you judge a CD without even > > > listening to it?!?! This seems to be common on this list. I think > several > > people ... > > > > sorry if i keep repeating these postings, but the Domotool bounced th= e > last one > > (even though it contains this same text, so I assume it reacted to wh= at > was in > > the quote from Mark) due to content of explicit blah blah blah.. As y= ou > see, > > it's not flaming at all. :) > > > > .:: trym :: teeba@start.no :: jazzistant@start.no :. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > F=E5 din egen @start.no-adresse gratis p=E5 http://www.start.no/ > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Judging music without even listening to it Date: 12 Nov 2001 14:01:18 -0500 Mike Barker wrote: > Um, what's called "Morpheus"? Morpheus is what you use to grab anything on the user space of the=20 Internet. More or less the newest Napster, except more than music. > And just which song are you referring to as the Elton John-sound alike?= I > don't hear it. Illuminate? That's a no-brainer. When I heard that, it was just a=20 cherry on top of a really bad album. I attribute it to Moby and David=20 Grey fans corrupting the Orbital brothers, but that's just MOFO. > Yes, the 2 songs I mentioned are from Disc 2, and since I don't fancy > myself as much of a music critic, I won't try to bore anyone with my > interpretations. One, I don't think disc 2 was released until after The Altogether first=20 came out. Two, it's pretty sad that the only b-sides they offer are=20 from the PREVIOUS album, as well as just a few from the current one. > I'm merely suggesting that > when one listens to the new disc, they abandon the pictures, clich=E9s = and > stereotypes that they generally use to filter their experience through = when > listening to this particular Orbital release, you won't hear any chime = or > halcyon or impact and I'm glad about it. I wouldn't want to hear the > brothers trying to recreate something they did years ago, that would be= - in > my opinion- rather boring. They are evolving musically and maybe you ju= st > aren't clued into the direction they're going. You don't have to be pis= sed > off about it. And like I said- It's your choice to buy or not, I certai= nly > won't lose any sleep over it. But, I do think it is incredibly arrogant= of > you to say that the Hartnoll's would even consider releasing a "a bunch= of > mediocre songs". Get real! How many full length, ground-breaking CD's h= ave > you produced over the last 10+ years? They aren't "evolving"! If sucking corporate dick and throwing as much=20 pop culture bullshit as the newest Garbage album (RIP, Garbage...) is=20 your idea of evolving, then I don't want any part of it. They aren't=20 "recreating something they did years ago". Hell, the previous album was=20 fucking awesome! That was only 2-3 years ago. All of the past Orbital albums (except the first one) had two things in=20 common: strings and emotion. There is no emotion in this album. It's=20 all garbage. About the only song I could say was "Orbital quality" on=20 that album is Meltdown. Anyway, I did a long review of the whole album on the ML on 5/5/2001=20 (for those who keep an archive), and most of it on RollingStone.com (I=20 think it's the only review for Altogether on there). If you want any=20 more of my opinions, go there. Oh yeah...I got it on my web archive here: http://www.resonatorsoft.org/cgi-bin/rpgboard/viewer.cgi/orbital/3AF45C3C= 00000353.html --=20 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.org) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.org/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Hello O-list! Date: 12 Nov 2001 14:11:53 -0500 Marc Emile Sawaya wrote: > Wow, 16 e-mails in one day! Even if half of those were from Trym ;), > that's still more traffic than in months. Welcome back Brendan, I'm > looking forward to reading the flamewar you get into with Mike Barker. Heh...leave it up to me to spark e-mails on this ML. And don't worry: a flamewar is already in progress :) > It's true that the loopz forum is the big place to commune right now (I'm > using the screen name neolmas over there if you read), but this list has > some unique aspects that give something to the experience. I guess I'll have to check it out. Are they still using DiscussionApp? Hey, I'm still here if Steve wants to setup a ML bridge on the web (like mine). RPGBoard's got a DiscussionApp header style anyway. > My 2 cents on the Altogether... I like it. I happened to pick up the EU > version when I was is France over the summer, so my first listens were > already biased by being in a state of travel. After seeing Orbital live > twice on the US tour, though, and having an incredible time at both, I > couldn't help but like the album. But everyone is entitled to think what > they want about it, that's what leads to interesting discussion. Well, I'd imagine even Aqua live sound good, but at least the new album is better than a lot of music out today. It's just that it's the worst Orbital album out to-date. (Well, either that or the "green album".) > One of the best things about the tour was getting to meet Steve "Loopz" > Price at both shows, and also meeting Brandon Invergo and Doris (who I > don't think is on this list, but should be). That means I've met 5 people > on the Orbital mailing list- take that Rob Schultz! Speaking of Rob, you > still in Spain? How are you doing? Heh...how's Brandon doing? He's the one who introduced me to the OML. > Also I've recently had the pleasure (well of course I haven't "had the > pleasure" :)) of chatting with Aimee on IM, as well as some other very > nice people from the Loopz board, so not only has Orbital changed my life > with their music, but they've introduced me to some very nice people as > well. Yeah, I'll have to wonder over to the Loopz board sometime. -- Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.org) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.org/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pseudonaut Subject: Re:(orbital) testing Date: 12 Nov 2001 12:15:30 -0800 (PST) i think the point that you are missing is that one can listen to a cd as intently as they want and can still come away not liking the cd. in fact, it's possible that if they did not like it on their first time through, once they "listen" to it they might even find more things to hate about it. have you ever really *listened* to britney spears' albums? yet i'm sure you'd probably say that you don't like them. and i'm sure that if you did listen to them, you still wouldn't like them. i think he's entitled to listen to the album a few times and decide he doesn't like it. brandon invergo > > listen v 1: hear with intention; "Listen to the > sound of this cello" 2: > listen and pay attention; "Listen to your father"; > 3. To give close > attention with the purpose of hearing; to give ear; > to hearken; to attend; > 4.To make an effort to hear something: listen to the > radio; listening for > the bell. 5. To pay attention; heed: > > I know you have not LISTENED to this CD, not even > once. For example, there > are 11 tracks on the CD and none of them struck you > as "ingenious and > capturing like past efforts from the brothers"??? > Hmmm that sounds odd to > me. Maybe you should read the reply I gave to > Brendan, you both seem to be > suffering from the same problem(s) (except for the > fact that you aren't > hostile about your disappointment). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pseudonaut Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Judging music without even listening to it Date: 12 Nov 2001 12:24:15 -0800 (PST) > One, I don't think disc 2 was released until after > The Altogether first > came out. Two, it's pretty sad that the only > b-sides they offer are > from the PREVIOUS album, as well as just a few from > the current one. > true, disc 2 has older songs on it. however, both disc 2s of u.s. in sides were chock full of old material and most of us hold those near and dear to our hearts. the way i see it, good music is good music, no matter when it is released. if the ozric tentacles or tangerine dream came out with a compilation of stuff previously not available in the u.s., you know you'd snatch that up without complaint brendan ;) > They aren't "evolving"! If sucking corporate dick > and throwing as much > pop culture bullshit as the newest Garbage album > (RIP, Garbage...) is > your idea of evolving, then I don't want any part of > it. They aren't > "recreating something they did years ago". Hell, > the previous album was > fucking awesome! That was only 2-3 years ago. > > All of the past Orbital albums (except the first > one) had two things in > common: strings and emotion. There is no emotion in > this album. It's > all garbage. About the only song I could say was > "Orbital quality" on > that album is Meltdown. i think the thing here that you're perhaps missing is that there is an overall change of mood on this album, it's a bit more jolly and fun, and well, it's hard to express jollines with strings. as steve martin once discussed, it's hard to play a sad song on a banjo. the emotion is there, but perhaps it's a different one than you were looking for. no one outside of goth and emo (shudder) bands can remain depressed or angry at the world forever. and if they do, it starts to seem like old hat, and people get sick of it. "oh orbital, they're that melodramatic electronic group, right? no thanks." while i agree that the sad or overly emotional songs on in sides and snivilisation are probably my favorite by orbital, i can't say that the altogether is completely devoid of emotion. as poppy as you may think it is, i feel that one is enough is chock full of emotion. just my 2 cents brandon invergo ps- doin fine, brendan. yourself? :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Knowles Subject: (orbital) wow. posts. Date: 12 Nov 2001 13:36:27 -0700 (MST) well, it didn't take brenden long to get the temperatures rising. witness: > They aren't "evolving"! If sucking corporate dick and throwing as > much=20 pop culture bullshit as the newest Garbage album (RIP, > Garbage...) is=20 your idea of evolving, then I don't want any part of > it. They aren't=20 "recreating something they did years ago". Hell, > the previous album was=20 fucking awesome! That was only 2-3 years > ago. damn, have an opinion much? try an "imho" here and there, kiddo. > All of the past Orbital albums (except the first one) had two things > in=20 common: strings and emotion. There is no emotion in this album. > It's=20 all garbage. About the only song I could say was "Orbital > quality" on=20 that album is Meltdown. we agree on this - meltdown is good. i also like waving not drowning quite a bit (but nobody else seems to), and funny break is nicely melodic. the bonus disc would kick ass for mock tudor alone (7/4 time signature anyone?) except that i already had all the songs! well, except for beezlebeat and funny break (weekend ravers), which i quickly nabbed on mp3. :) but in general the album is indeed a disappointment. (although not too much worse than MoN imho!) HOWEVER, the live show was not a disappointment at all - far from it! they absolutely kicked ass, and if you haven't seen them yet you better make some arrangements. watching phil tweak that 303 up close (5 ft) during impact and chime was about as cool as it gets. nub np. coming closer - punkt music compilation 2001 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin Gomes" Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Judging music without even listening to it Date: 12 Nov 2001 23:02:12 -0800 Haha, this kind of stuff amuses me. I have heard the new cd and for the most part, it is shit. I think Phil and Paul have to stop trying to be good, because they are good, they don't need to try. To many acts nowadays (ex. the orb, autechre) are trying so hard to be original and fresh that they forget that people already like their music so they are obviously doing something right. I see the alltogether as more inspired by the current music scene than by the brother themselves. David Grey? And seriously, how can you like Tootled? I have heard better things made with a $30 Casio keyboard. I have on quite a few occasions thrown that song on for people to get their reactions and everyone says, "What is this shit, Turn it off." And then I say that it's Orbital and they "That's too bad." Would you like this music if it wasn't Orbital? What if someone played that for you and said it was a new band? Then would you buy the cd? The fact that you have to force yourself to listen to it to acquire a likeing for it should tell you something about it. Maybe you like it because it's Orbital and not because of the musical content. And also, the fact that one of the remixes is called the Weekend Raver's mix is pretty pathetic. Even if it wasn't done by them, it's still on their cd. Like come on, let's try to jump on the whole rave scene bandwagon some more. Even though this is probably more the record company, but still. I think it's definitely a good thing that they left their old label. Now, maybe they can release some actual good music. Send your flames if you want to, but I know I am not alone in this view for others have expreessed it to me privately and the fact that the list is dying also says something. I myself listen to everything objectively. I let the artist's reputation influence me less than the actual music since we listen to the music, not the reviews. This was not directed at any one individual but at many of you. I hope this message will at least make you think about why you like The Alltogether. Don't make Phil and Paul pop stars. take care kevin > > What??? Are you, crazy? How can you judge a CD without even listening to > it?!?! This seems to be common on this list. I think several people were > even trashing the new Crystal Method CD in the same way... That's their > loss! Although it took me a couple of listens before I totally fell in love > with it, I must say- The Altogether is pure GENIUS! Because of your baseless > prejudgement, you completely missed out on the finest show of the year. The > Hartnoll brothers are advanced musical entities (Gods if you will), # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin Gomes" Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Judging music without even listening to it Date: 12 Nov 2001 23:26:44 -0800 That's quite funny, since Halcyon is by no means depressing and it is totally upbeat and it is totally full of emotion. And yes it has strings. It is also the song that most people know Orbital by, so I can't see anyone classifying Orbital as melodramatic. You are right, emotion can be both positive and negative, but The Alltogther lacks any sort of feeling or emotion. It sounds like it was made in about five minutes with no thought put into any of it. Phil and Paul definitely did not project themselves into this album just as most of the shit music out there is void of any human emotion as well. But I guess that someone could even argue that Britney Spears and the Backstreet boys have emotion in their music. However, it does not mean that it exists. We can talk about unicorns, but that doesn't make them real. And to the people who require an imho in order to understand that a message that is written by a person is their opinion, piss off. It is pretty obvious that this is my opinion, I don't need to say that it is. kevin > i think the thing here that you're perhaps missing is > that there is an overall change of mood on this album, > it's a bit more jolly and fun, and well, it's hard to > express jollines with strings. as steve martin once > discussed, it's hard to play a sad song on a banjo. > the emotion is there, but perhaps it's a different one > than you were looking for. no one outside of goth and > emo (shudder) bands can remain depressed or angry at > the world forever. and if they do, it starts to seem > like old hat, and people get sick of it. "oh orbital, > they're that melodramatic electronic group, right? no > thanks." while i agree that the sad or overly > emotional songs on in sides and snivilisation are > probably my favorite by orbital, i can't say that the > altogether is completely devoid of emotion. as poppy > as you may think it is, i feel that one is enough is > chock full of emotion. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Rader" Subject: RE: (orbital) Altogether Date: 13 Nov 2001 00:08:30 -0800 > What are you talking about? Tootled was just a rip-off of a > Tool song. > An extremely overplayed Tool song at that. It's horrible. My point was that I had heard the song in Phil Hartnoll's dj mix and I liked it so much I was trying to find out what it was (I asked people on loopz board by mentioning the time the song started, etc)... it was before I knew it was the new Orbital. So imagine how pleased I was to find out that the song I was in search of really was from my favorite band. I really didn't think it was them because Phil played a lot of other non-Orbital stuff. BTW I didn't realize it was Tool until much later when someone posted about it online. Shaun # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Rader" Subject: RE: (orbital) Re: Judging music without even listening to it Date: 13 Nov 2001 00:36:49 -0800 > And seriously, how can you like Tootled? I have heard better > things made with a $30 Casio keyboard. I have on quite a few > occasions thrown that song on for people to get their reactions > and everyone says, "What is this shit, Turn it off." I really do think Tootled is a good song. It just sounds 'cool' I don't know how to describe it. I only wish the mental part sounded more mental (and more like it did when they played it live). That's my only complaint.. the climax of the song doesn't sound powerful enough. > is called the Weekend Raver's mix is pretty pathetic. Even > if it wasn't done by them, it's still on their cd. Weekend Raver's mix was done by them.. and the title sounds like a joke to me. Did anyone else get that impression? > Send your flames if you want to, but I know I am not alone in this > view for others have expreessed it to me privately and the > fact that the list is dying also says something. Why do people express it only in private? It's nothing to be ashamed of. I'm not ashamed to admit that I don't like Oi! and Pay Per View that much... but I love the album as a whole. Also I think the list is dying because everyone has moved to the Loopz boards... those are going pretty strong I believe. But there did seem to be less people at their live shows this time around. I hope it's just due to poor promoting and bad timing. Shaun # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Trym B Asserson Subject: Re:(orbital) testing Date: 13 Nov 2001 10:17:36 +0100 (CET) Quoting Mike Barker : > I read your letter before composing my reply and reread it after receiving > your follow-up message. I still believe that you have not listened to this > release. Here's what Websters dictionary says about the word listen- *snip* oh, thank you for telling me what it means to listen to something, i was afraid that after having been living and breathing music for nearly the past fifteen years I had become incapable of appreciating, or *listening* to music. > 5. To pay attention; heed: > I know you have not LISTENED to this CD, not even once. For example, > there are 11 tracks on the CD and none of them struck you as "ingenious and > capturing like past efforts from the brothers"??? So, pay attention to me when I _again_ say that I HAVE listened to the cd, and I still do not find it as good as any of the past albums. For the most part, as I said in my original letter, many tracks are re-vamps of old ones, or slight twists of b-sides of recent years (Illuminate, Doctor ?, Funny Break even). And Tootled (and I'll dare include Waving Not Drowning) are like Kevin suggested something someone a bit more clever than me could beat with my old Casio with ocean, car-horn and space presets (which is the same as his $30 one). Waving with twisted horns and a stomach-wrenching pattern of sawtooth-ish synth. Meltdown, possibly Shadows, could stand out as decent pieces but still not any better than the "mediocre" (dare I say 'filler' to this crowd?) tracks on past albums. With so many tracks that I still do not, after having "listened" to the CD, appreciate, this is one album I just can't get into. I had trouble getting into MoM to begin with, but it grew on me, this one doesn't. Plain simple. If I have to concede one defeat of my own opinion, it's that I really like the Layo & Bushwhacka Up remix of Funny Break, but that's not really Orbital then, is it? > Maybe you let other sour-puses on this list who want to hear recycled > old tracks on each new Orbital release pollute your mind before you gave > the new CD a fair chance. No, I just want to hear good tracks, not cramped efforts at making something good. The same with the recent Autechre, cramped drill'n'bass which is another cd i've not returned to. So, like Kevin said, if maybe these favourites of mine didn't put in these cramped efforts, they would create some much more inspiring. > Anyway, I acknowledge that my opinion will differ from most people and > that's fine with me. How pathetic life would be if we all agreed on > everything. > Cheers to diversity without adversity! Hell no ;), where did that idea come from? How can you ever be convinced if you're not fired up about your opinion and then later come to an understanding of that the alternative opinion might actually be better? If diversity doesn't cause adversity, you simply aren't engaged or _into_ your opinion (it could someone else's). That probably made no sense... but it just invites this sort of discussion. :-) And btw, list revival seems imminent. /trym Få din egen @start.no-adresse gratis på http://www.start.no/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Barker" Subject: RE: (orbital) Re: Judging music without even listening to it Date: 13 Nov 2001 01:21:44 -0800 Is there anyone out there who caught a show from the recent tour and still thinks the new cd sucks??? -Mike Barker # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Barker" Subject: RE: (orbital) testing Date: 13 Nov 2001 01:37:12 -0800 > Cheers to diversity without adversity! All I meant by this line is that I am not interested in declaring war on anyone over their opinions about music. I'm not participating in this discussion to create adversaries. But, I do admit that I have a tendency to do a bit of friendly prodding every now and again, but that's just because we, as human beings, tend to take ourselves and our opinions way too seriously. I'd be happy to share a beer with anyone on the list who agrees or disagrees with me and my opinions. Cheers to all!!! -Mike Barker # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Roger Bucks" Subject: Re: (orbital) wow. posts. Date: 13 Nov 2001 11:42:42 -0000 > well, it didn't take brenden long to get the temperatures rising. witness: > > damn, have an opinion much? try an "imho" here and there, kiddo. Do we have a FAQ? Is Brendan in it? :) I think we all kind of have to assume that Brendan won't type imho just like I assume that all posts here are "imho". imho. :) > but in general the album is indeed a disappointment. (although not too > much worse than MoN imho!) HOWEVER, the live show was not a disappointment > at all - far from it! they absolutely kicked ass, and if you haven't seen > them yet you better make some arrangements. watching phil tweak that 303 > up close (5 ft) during impact and chime was about as cool as it gets. Maybe I'm not such a huge fan as I used to be, but I've seen the older tunes live many times and would like to see some newer tunes that had the same impact (;)). It has to be said that "Know where to run" was amazing with the effects added (imho) but that was it on MoN. I guess I found there is more to life than trying to find the Chime CD single for sale in second hand shops. I guess that's also why I've moved on to Hybrid as they have a much richer sound. (The Alanis Morisette remix labelled "Forgive Me" is storming, but so is their own Wide Angle album). But that's a whole different group. I didn't even bother to get tickets for the London concert this time when I could have. Roger # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Screwing up the definition of "listen"... Date: 12 Nov 2001 14:58:11 -0500 Mike Barker wrote: > > I know you have not LISTENED to this CD, not even once. For example, there > are 11 tracks on the CD and none of them struck you as "ingenious and > capturing like past efforts from the brothers"??? Hmmm that sounds odd to > me. Maybe you should read the reply I gave to Brendan, you both seem to be > suffering from the same problem(s) (except for the fact that you aren't > hostile about your disappointment). I think you probably have a really busy > life with lots of stuff going on that gets in the way of your experience of > "listening". To me- you merely went through the motions of playing the > tracks that you acquired, illegally or otherwise. You're full of it! You assume that nobody has "listened" to the album if they don't think it's "ingenious and capturing like past efforts from the brothers". It's not "capturing" and it's not "like past efforts from the brothers". The Girl with the Sun in Her Head is ingenious and capturing, not Illuminate. Way Out is ingenious and capturing, not Tootled. -- Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.org) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.org/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Altogether Date: 13 Nov 2001 09:12:46 -0500 Shaun Rader wrote: > > My point was that I had heard the song in Phil Hartnoll's dj mix and I liked > it so much I was trying to find out what it was (I asked people on loopz > board by mentioning the time the song started, etc)... it was before I knew > it was the new Orbital. So imagine how pleased I was to find out that the > song I was in search of really was from my favorite band. DJ Mix? Nevermind. I don't want to know... -- Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software - http://www.ResonatorSoft.org/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) testing Date: 13 Nov 2001 09:23:41 -0500 Mike Barker wrote: > > All I meant by this line is that I am not interested in declaring war on > anyone over their opinions about music. I'm not participating in this > discussion to create adversaries. But, I do admit that I have a tendency to > do a bit of friendly prodding every now and again, but that's just because > we, as human beings, tend to take ourselves and our opinions way too > seriously. I'd be happy to share a beer with anyone on the list who agrees > or disagrees with me and my opinions. Well, despite my fierce opinions, I still don't hold a grudge for very long. So, if I call you a fucking idiot for liking tA, don't worry...it's just MOFO on the album, and I'll still share a non-beer with you. (I hate beer.) -- Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software - http://www.ResonatorSoft.org/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) what you get is what you get is what you get. :) Date: 13 Nov 2001 10:32:35 -0500 Phil says: what you get is what you get is what you get. We can't really do anything else about that. But it is, essentially, that we enjoy lots of different music. Sometimes we'll set out to do a track "In the style of" -- sometimes we do remixes of our tracks for singles and stuff like that, and we'll say, "Oh, this is a bit of a dancy number," or something like that, but not for the initial track. We normally just sit there, and draw influences from whatever we're listening to, or the mood that we're in, and end up coming up with a track that could be quite easily done by somebody else, really. I suppose that over time, people have hopefully either come to expect that, or accepted that it's what happens with us. They either like it or they hate it. You get someone like Underworld -- they're mates of ours, and I love their music -- and...well, you know what you're going to get. Interview: http://www.splendidezine.com/features/orbital/ ShannON+ON+ON says: I like not knowing exactly what Orbital will give us next. This is their strength as artists. That and 20 years of making music! Even when they do a bit of re-cycling {Oi! and "Surfin' Bird"}. For me, "Pay Per View" is beautiful and classic-feeling Orbital. {e.g. "Attached" from Sniv} What about "Monorail" from B-Sides? WAY-Cooley, yah? C-yaz! "altogether, now!" ;^) Shannon K. Campbell # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aimee Couture Subject: Re: (orbital) Screwing up the definition of "listen"... Date: 13 Nov 2001 10:37:39 -0500 > >You're full of it! You assume that nobody has "listened" to the album >if they don't think it's "ingenious and capturing like past efforts from >the brothers". It's not "capturing" and it's not "like past efforts >from the brothers". The Girl with the Sun in Her Head is ingenious and >capturing, not Illuminate. Way Out is ingenious and capturing, not Tootled. Who ever said that Orbital *had* to be "ingenious and capturing" on every single track? No-one. So this album is more upbeat and more fun. So WHAT?! I enjoy it. Music reflects the mindset(s) of it's creator(s) so could you possibly think for just a second that maybe p&p were *gasp* feeling lighthearted when they recorded this album? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Barker" Subject: Re: (orbital) Screwing up the definition of "listen"... Date: 13 Nov 2001 09:07:24 -0800 Brendan wrote: > You assume that nobody has "listened" to the album > if they don't think it's "ingenious and capturing like past efforts from > the brothers". It's not "capturing" and it's not "like past efforts > from the brothers". The Girl with the Sun in Her Head is ingenious and > capturing, not Illuminate. Way Out is ingenious and capturing, not Tootled. No, I do not assume this. The quote I used was from someone elses reply to me. I was merely suggesting one needs an open mind to listen to the new CD. -Mike Barker # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Roger Bucks" Subject: Re: (orbital) Screwing up the definition of "listen"... Date: 13 Nov 2001 17:19:12 -0000 Mike Barker wrote: > No, I do not assume this. The quote I used was from someone elses reply to > me. I was merely suggesting one needs an open mind to listen to the new CD. Well, that's fairly limiting as Open Mind is a rare track... I guess you could download it from somewhere, but it's not the same. ;) Roger # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Trym B Asserson Subject: Re: (orbital) testing Date: 13 Nov 2001 19:33:26 +0100 (CET) Quoting Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper : > So, if I call you a fucking idiot for liking tA, don't worry... hey, i resent that comment! j/k (completely off the wall now) /trym asserson (tA ?) Få din egen @start.no-adresse gratis på http://www.start.no/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Trym B Asserson Subject: Re: (orbital) Screwing up the definition of "listen"... Date: 13 Nov 2001 19:39:40 +0100 (CET) Quoting Mike Barker : > No, I do not assume this. The quote I used was from someone elses reply > to > me. I was merely suggesting one needs an open mind to listen to the new > CD. mine actually which means we've come full circle... wonders how long he can keep this going before anyone notices he's not adding anything of value to this discussion anymore. but anyway, i feel that this quote has been misused and taken out of context quite a lot which then makes Aimee reply as she does. of course, it's not every track which should be [THAT quote], but the overall feel of the whole album. i mean, there's songs on previous orbital albums i can't really say i fancy that much either (Quality Seconds springs to mind), but Snivilisation is still what I feel is the best Orbital album so far. So, important thing about paraphrasing, people, remember the context of the original paragraph in which the quote occurred. :-) /trym Få din egen @start.no-adresse gratis på http://www.start.no/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Emile Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Come on baby fuel my fire. Date: 13 Nov 2001 15:25:16 -0500 (EST) I'm certainly glad to see all this traffic. I like to think that I hadn't abandoned this list for the Loopz forum, but I realized I could be bringing up topics here too. So, in the interest of making this surge more than a one night stand, I'd like to discuss music that I've been getting into recently. First up is Beaumont Hannant. Way back when I had my FTP server, someone uploaded some Autechre EPs, including the Basscadet EP which has a phenomenal track by Mr. Hannant (beaumonthannanttwomx). Recently I decided to see if I could hunt down anything else by him, and I found some discographies on the net. He's come out with several LPs back in 93 and 94, but my searches to find hard copies of anything by him have been fruitless. No shops I looked in had anything (even indie NY record shops), no online stores had any (Gemm had a very limited selection of used stuff), and I couldn't find anything by him on Kazaa (Morpheus or whatever, media download programs). Someone on the loopz board tipped me onto Audiogalaxy, which actually had a considerably amout of his stuff. So far I've downloaded one full LP, most of his other 2, and scraps from various EPs. What I've had a chance to hear so far (not really listen to yet) has been very good, so I'd really like to get a hold of his music legally, but it's impossible to find! Anyone out there know of him or even have some cds? Also, FSOL just re-released Accelerator with a 2nd cd full of Papua New Guinea remixes. I thought it would be a good introduction to them, so I picked it up from amazon.co.uk for only ~$19! Delivery was quick too, less than a week. I don't know if it's going to be released in the US, so that might be your best bet. Also they just came out with a PNG mutations album called Translations, which I've heard good things about. That's it from me, I've got a really bad headache as I turned 21 yesterday. :) Marc # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pseudonaut Subject: Re: (orbital) testing Date: 13 Nov 2001 14:29:29 -0800 (PST) > > So, if I call you a fucking idiot for liking tA, > don't worry...it's just > MOFO on the album, and I'll still share a non-beer > with you. (I hate beer.) what? you hate beer? how can you hate beer? it's ingenious, tasty, and intoxicating. granted, previous efforts at making alcohol have led to better tasting beverages, once you're an alcoholic you can force yourself to like anything in the alcohol family. i hated beer for a long time, but now i'm starting to force myself to like it. i was the same way with meade, but that grew on me a little quicker. maybe you've never really drank it. i don't have a dictionary on hand to give you a definition for drinking, but i assure you that if you've never really *drank* it, you wouldn't realize the beauty that is beer. have you tried it with pretzels or peanuts?? ;) brandon invergo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pseudonaut Subject: Re: (orbital) Come on baby fuel my fire. Date: 13 Nov 2001 14:41:11 -0800 (PST) > > Also, FSOL just re-released Accelerator with a 2nd > cd full of Papua New > Guinea remixes. I thought it would be a good > introduction to them, so I > picked it up from amazon.co.uk for only ~$19! > Delivery was quick too, > less than a week. I don't know if it's going to be > released in the US, so > that might be your best bet. Also they just came > out with a PNG mutations > album called Translations, which I've heard good > things about. > while i think Accelerator is a good disc, that was only their first full length (at least as FSOl, not sure about other monikers), so i don't feel it's really representative of their sound. granted, they've only had two full lengths after that, those two (Lifeforms and Dead Cities) are much more similar in their lack of really dancey beats, much more ambience going on, and overall flow of the album. personally i'd say get Lifeforms (be sure to get the 2cd LP, cause there's an EP under the same name with only 7 tracks on it). i actually hated it for the first few months of having it so i shelved it right away. later after picking it up again, i was like "what the hell was i thinking. this is fucking brilliant." i love it when that happens. same thing happened with gusgus for me...but i digress. this is not to say that Dead Cities isn't fucking brilliant also. anyone heard anything recent on FSOL? i should talk to my contact at astralwerks...see what's up. > That's it from me, I've got a really bad headache as > I turned 21 > yesterday. :) well happy birthday. now you don't have to drink beer illegally like you did in new york :). naughty... brandon invergo (i feel the need to put my last name now cause i think there're more brandons on this list. we're everywhere!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin Gomes" Subject: Re: (orbital) Screwing up the definition of "listen"... Date: 13 Nov 2001 17:23:13 -0800 Okay, what is this nonsense about the alltogether being upbeat. Some of it is, but I hardly consider Tootled, Tension, Or Meltdown as upbeat and more fun. Music doesn't always reflect the mindset of its creators especially if they are just looking to fit into the current music scene. I might as well add here instead of sending another message. A couple of people have said that the new album is original and I find this rather humorous. Using a folk singer in a songer has been done before (I'm sure Bob Dylan or Leonard Cohen have been guests before). Sampling an already famous song (Sober) and using if for the basis of another (Tootled) is by no means original. Puff Daddy did it on every other track. Even using rock/metal influences is not original, ex. Atari Teenage Riot. Making boring house (oi) isn't original, there are thousands of house producers doing the same. Using drum and bass influences (Meltdown, exclude the last half which is actually good) has been done to death, even in TV commercials. The first half of meltdown actually sounds like they are making fun of drum and bass with the cheesey glass breaking samples and telephone samples. But the sad thing is that they probably aren't. I can go on further but I won't. The point is that there is nothing on this cd that has not been done to death by others before them. I do not classify regurgitated ideas as original. take care kevin PS- I just love a good debate. > Who ever said that Orbital *had* to be "ingenious and capturing" on every > single track? No-one. > So this album is more upbeat and more fun. So WHAT?! > I enjoy it. > Music reflects the mindset(s) of it's creator(s) so could you possibly > think for just a second that maybe p&p were *gasp* feeling lighthearted > when they recorded this album? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Knowles Subject: Re: (orbital) Screwing up the definition of "listen"... Date: 13 Nov 2001 19:50:55 -0700 (MST) hilarious flamewar! keep it up! imho, of course. -nub ps. mmm... beer. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Raquel Mir" Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Judging music without even listening to it Date: 13 Nov 2001 21:31:14 -0600 >From: "Kevin Gomes" >To: "Orbital Mailing List" >Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Judging music without even listening to it >Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:02:12 -0800 > > David Grey? And seriously, >how can you like Tootled? I have heard better things made with a $30 Casio >keyboard. the david grey track is musically brilliant and beautiful. I dont know what in the hell he is saying, but there is some great emotion in that song nonetheless. And also, the fact that one of the remixes >is called the Weekend Raver's mix is pretty pathetic. Even if it wasn't >done by them, it's still on their cd. Like come on, let's try to jump on >the whole rave scene bandwagon some more. Even though this is probably >more >the record company, but still. i think they call it weekend raver's mix almost as a joke (similar to bon jovi and belinda carlisle) I mean, it a progressive trance track...progressive trance=what most "ravers" like. i'm pretty sure that's why they named it that. but yet and still i can see how most people don't like the new cd _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pseudonaut Subject: (orbital) re: comic relief Date: 13 Nov 2001 19:42:41 -0800 (PST) --- Mike Barker wrote: > Thanks for the comic relief! Very witty! 8-) > > -Mike Barker > yeah, studying for 5 hours for my biology final exam that i've got tomorrow was starting to take a toll on me :( i have this urge to run around the house wearing nothing but a paper towel cardboard tube thingie and a pirate's hat, but i can't explain it. man i hate studying. however, i have listened to a shiteload of cds in the meantime, or at least it's felt that way. everyone go listen to the last track on autechre's lp5. magnificent. brandon "i love bio" invergo now on to the computer science studies np - delerium: karma __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julie Lynn Hill Subject: (orbital) Study hall. Date: 13 Nov 2001 21:57:38 -0600 Uff. Let's start a list study support group! Starting what should be a relatively painless 3-page paper for a Greek Lit class, but then I have to move on to the geophysics and DC Resistivity Homework. Joy. Nice touch with the pirate hat thingie, Brandon! *looks at the Jolly Roger hanging above the computer desk* Julie > At 07:42 PM 11/13/2001 -0800, Pseudonaut wrote: > >yeah, studying for 5 hours for my biology final exam > >that i've got tomorrow was starting to take a toll on > >me :( > > > >i have this urge to run around the house wearing > >nothing but a paper towel cardboard tube thingie and a > >pirate's hat, but i can't explain it. man i hate > >studying. "So send me an angel - Send me the ghost that I was." -Black Lab, "Wash It Away" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Rader" Subject: (orbital) Sniv and Sad But True Date: 13 Nov 2001 22:00:27 -0800 > Snivilisation is still what I feel is the best Orbital album so far. Wow I feel that and the Green album are their weakest albums. I think the production quality of Sniv makes me not listen to it as much there seems to be too much hiss or cracking at times... I should listen to it again I'll probably fall in love with it again. BTW I think Sad But True is a lot better than the newer Sad But New. Anyone else agree? They hold off on the woman's vocals a lot longer and it sounds more thrashy than Sad But New. Shaun # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Rader" Subject: RE: (orbital) Screwing up the definition of "listen"... Date: 13 Nov 2001 22:33:09 -0800 > Sampling an already famous song (Sober) and using if for > the basis of another (Tootled) is by no means original. I don't really think Tootled in any way shape or form resembles Sober. The very beginning is the only similarity when I hear it! > Using drum and bass influences (Meltdown, exclude the last > half which is actually good) has been done to death, even in > TV commercials. Again I disagree. I never thought Meltdown was drum and bass. Well I must admit I don't know a lot of drum and bass but I always thought the breakbeat was a lot faster (than Meltdown) almost like jungle right? Meltdown is prob my favorite track on the album. > I do not classify regurgitated ideas as original. I don't really think Middle of Nowhere was too original (compared to other Orbital songs at least) but it kicks major ass nonetheless no? Shaun # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin Gomes" Subject: Re: (orbital) Screwing up the definition of "listen"... Date: 13 Nov 2001 23:50:11 -0800 > Again I disagree. I never thought Meltdown was drum and bass. Well I must > admit I don't know a lot of drum and bass but I always thought the breakbeat > was a lot faster (than Meltdown) almost like jungle right? Meltdown is prob > my favorite track on the album. Well, I have a lot of friends who are jungle/dnb dj's, one who actually has played in europe, and they all consider it a poor attempt at drum and bass. Speed isn't what makes jungle distinctive, it's the structure of the beat which meltdown has. The rythm of dnb is not fast at all, in fact you can beat match hip hop to it without having to change the speed of either. > I don't really think Middle of Nowhere was too original (compared to other > Orbital songs at least) but it kicks major ass nonetheless no? Okay read what I write before responding. I did not say that the album was bad because it was not original, this was a reply to others who said that it was good because it is original. I was simply disagreeing. anyway kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Roger Bucks" Subject: Re: (orbital) Sniv and Sad But True Date: 14 Nov 2001 09:39:32 -0000 Shaun Rader penned: > BTW I think Sad But True is a lot better than the newer Sad But New. Anyone > else agree? They hold off on the woman's vocals a lot longer and it sounds > more thrashy than Sad But New. Agreed. I *love* the Glastonbury '95 version with the simple bass line (which unfortunately didn't appear in the album version). I'd love a copy the full set, but only have the John Peel broadcast on tape slowing increasing the hiss over time. :( (And no way to link it to my computer in the age of CD's and minidisk players). (Audio Galaxy didn't help there surprisingly). Something else that's cool in some of the live shows is the link between Forever and SBT, where Forever slows right down to beat-match with SBT. I think that style is something I miss from the more recent Orbital live shows. And Sad But True was the only reason that I watched Johnny Mnemonic. ;) Always imho :), Roger # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Agust A J Subject: Re: (orbital) Come on baby fuel my fire. Date: 14 Nov 2001 11:34:50 +0000 (cut up reply :) At 15:25 13.11.2001 -0500, Marc wrote: >Beaumont Hannant. What I've had a chance >to hear so far (not really listen to yet) has been very good, so I'd >really like to get a hold of his music legally, but it's impossible to >find! Anyone out there know of him or even have some cds? using my mini-hackjob html cd search page ( http://www.rainemu.com/nemesis1/cdsearch.html ) , I found some small things on only 2 pages: http://search.cdzone.co.uk/ & http://www.gemm.com/ gemm is a marketplace, so your mileage may vary, and cdzone has a bad rep for listing everything they can/could find, but usually not being able to deliver at all :p (or to quote a friend: [Taito] another shop to avoid... I ordered 15 and I got one. :P Same shit...why do they list cd's they can't get. :P also something on http://www.musicselection.com/ (they also used to list stuff once which they actually couldn't get :p and finally: http://www.netsounds.com/search.cgi another marketplace, for shops in uk :) hmm.... I think I need to go update my searchpage... any tips ppl on sites I could add? ;) >That's it from me, I've got a really bad headache as I turned 21 >yesterday. :) congrats :) --- Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://nem1.cjb.net free your :) [tm] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Trym B Asserson Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Illuminate lyrics? Date: 14 Nov 2001 16:09:02 +0100 (CET) Quoting Raquel Mir : > the david grey track is musically brilliant and beautiful. I dont know > what > in the hell he is saying, but there is some great emotion in that song > nonetheless. someone has suggested the following lyrics, that match pretty much with what I hear too Paint the world anew Find a way to open for all joy in order to Illuminate the strain Fireworks in the blue Beyond the bursting endless shine Show me where the real light is Building a wall inside A wall around my heart Building a wall inside And second verse swaps illuminate with alleviate. As I recently discovered, David Gray is actually Phil's brother-in-law. Now that's quite interesting, having two of your favourite artists linked by family. Heh :) Whoopie, /trym Få din egen @start.no-adresse gratis på http://www.start.no/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Agust A J Subject: Re: (orbital) Come on baby fuel my fire. Date: 14 Nov 2001 15:17:51 +0000 At 11:34 14.11.2001 +0000, I wrote: >At 15:25 13.11.2001 -0500, Marc wrote: >>Beaumont Hannant. wow... I even forgot the first part of my post, I got carried away doing searches & crashing opera v6 beta 1 left&right :p erm, yes, I have 2 cds by Beaumont Hannant: Basic Data Manipulation - Tastes and Textures vol.2 Notions of Tonality, vol.2 (ep) BDM-T&T v2 is from '93 or '94 I think, has some very good tracks, in particular the last one is superb... can't remember the names off hand, and the cd is not in sight (buried in my piles somewhere :) recommended :) NoT v2 is also a very nice 4 track ep, from.... '97? or '98 even? more lovely lush stuff, kinda ambient, which just makes me want to hear more from him... :) ok, got that out of the way this time... :) --- Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://nem1.cjb.net free your :) [tm] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Noggin Subject: (orbital) Mr Gray Date: 14 Nov 2001 10:23:57 -0600 first: sorry to the guy who i replied to independently, i meant it to go to the entire list...sorry you got it twice. now... Yea i dont understand why so many people seem to bash him here. I personally think David Gray is a superb musician, doing relatively new things with a relatively old style of music. His lyrics at times are cheesy but his is the kind of stuff i could stand hearing on the radio alot. No hes not pushing the envelope as much as some, and yes he is 'pop' in a way but ya know, i dont care. its just music, his is good, and he is very genuine in my eyes. I saw him live last spring and fuck me that was one of the best shows i have ever been to. if any of you are fans of good live music, i highly suggest catching Gray in concert. absolutely phenomenal performance. The track on The ALtogether is amazing...ill admit some of the sounds used are somewhat silly sounding, like a videogame or something, but the song itself, great. and Live?! wow even more so. At 04:09 PM 11/14/01 +0100, you wrote: > >Quoting Raquel Mir : >> the david grey track is musically brilliant and beautiful. I dont know >> what >> in the hell he is saying, but there is some great emotion in that song >> nonetheless........... >And second verse swaps illuminate with alleviate. As I recently discovered, >David Gray is actually Phil's brother-in-law. Now that's quite interesting, >having two of your favourite artists linked by family. Heh :) > >Whoopie, > >/trym > *This message is certified Anthrax-Free* ____________________________________________________ Noggin - noggin@txcyber.com *or* nogginj@hotmail.com ICQ: 6395209 AOL: NogginJ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pseudonaut Subject: Re: (orbital) Screwing up the definition of "listen"... Date: 14 Nov 2001 09:00:16 -0800 (PST) > Well, I have a lot of friends who are jungle/dnb > dj's, one who actually has > played in europe, and they all consider it a poor > attempt at drum and bass. > Speed isn't what makes jungle distinctive, it's the > structure of the beat > which meltdown has. The rythm of dnb is not fast at > all, in fact you can > beat match hip hop to it without having to change > the speed of either. > not to bust out the fine points on things, but since most hip hop is in the 80 - 100 bpm range, the reason you can match a lot of dnb to it is because dnb is twice the speed of hip hop, generally in the 160-180 bpm range (at least the records i've played). in my opinion 160 - 180 is pretty fast, considering that my orbital records generally are about 125 bpm, and most of my progressive house stuff is around 130 bpm. also, and i'm not sure i agree with this myself, just thought i'd point it out, a lot of breakbeat djs refer to jungle and d'n'b as just sped-up derivatives of breakbeat. i guess breakbeat has been around longer, but i'm pretty sure that around the time jungle came out, breakbeat was already pretty fast and was also in 3/4 time. but those are the fine fine points. god i hate classifying music (but i have to do it everyday at the ol' radio station...bah) brandon invergo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Trym B Asserson Subject: Re: (orbital) Mr Gray Date: 14 Nov 2001 18:29:26 +0100 (CET) Quoting Noggin : > > first: sorry to the guy who i replied to independently, i meant it to go > to the entire list...sorry you got it twice. think nothing of it, i do it all the time as some people probably know now. maybe something i should consider stopping. :) > now... > Yea i dont understand why so many people seem to bash him here. I > personally think David Gray is a superb musician, doing relatively new > things with a relatively old style of music. His lyrics at times are > cheesy but his is the kind of stuff i could stand hearing on the radio alot. > No hes not pushing the envelope as much as some, and yes he is 'pop' in a > way but ya know, i dont care. its just music, his is good, and he is very > genuine in my eyes. I saw him live last spring and fuck me that was one > of the best shows i have ever been to. if any of you are fans of good > live music, i highly suggest catching Gray in concert. absolutely > phenomenal performance. still have left to do that. hope he'll play in London now in this coming year, now is probably my best chance anyway of catching his concerts. As I've *advertised* before, White Ladder is a magnificent album, probably the most hyped but it was the one which alerted me of this man's talent. So, although I don't like Illuminate that much (I must confess it's catchy but my sense of music doesn't accept a song because of "catchiness"), Gray's own music is great listening. Regards, /trym (...and i used to be so inactive on this list..) Få din egen @start.no-adresse gratis på http://www.start.no/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Emile Sawaya Subject: Re: (orbital) Mr Gray Date: 14 Nov 2001 18:20:35 -0500 (EST) I own White Ladder and I actually am not a huge fan of it. I really like Please Forgive Me and Babylon, but other than that I can't really listen to the rest. I really like Illuminate though. My favourite part of both shows I went to were when Illuminate bled into Satan, and then came back at the end. That was really brilliant and worked perfectly, and I really want to hear it again. I love what they did to the vocals in the live version (although I think they should have included more than just the chorus). Bootlegs anyone? :) Marc # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin Gomes" Subject: Re: (orbital) Screwing up the definition of "listen"... Date: 14 Nov 2001 19:11:27 -0800 That is why you will notice that I used the word tempo instead of bpm which are two different things. I am well aware that dnb is twice the bpm of hiphop and that is why it beat matches. However, dnb has a relatively slow tempo. You scratch and mc to dnb at the same speed as you can to hip hop which implies that they have the same tempo since these two things rely on tempo and rythm very much. Maybe I didn't make my point clear enough in my past message. kevin > not to bust out the fine points on things, but since > most hip hop is in the 80 - 100 bpm range, the reason > you can match a lot of dnb to it is because dnb is > twice the speed of hip hop, generally in the 160-180 > bpm range (at least the records i've played). in my > opinion 160 - 180 is pretty fast, considering that my > orbital records generally are about 125 bpm, and most > of my progressive house stuff is around 130 bpm. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Study hall. Date: 14 Nov 2001 23:53:20 -0500 Julie Lynn Hill wrote: > > Nice touch with the pirate hat thingie, Brandon! I always like buying a BK kids meal, getting the crown, standing on the nearest table and exclaiming "I AM THE KING OF BURGER KING!!!" > *looks at the Jolly Roger hanging above the computer desk* Hackers? -- Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software - http://www.ResonatorSoft.org/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Sniv and Sad But True Date: 15 Nov 2001 00:03:45 -0500 Shaun Rader wrote: > > Wow I feel that and the Green album are their weakest albums. I think the > production quality of Sniv makes me not listen to it as much there seems to > be too much hiss or cracking at times... It's true that Sniv had a "gritty" feel to it, but so did the Brown album. Sniv, like the Brown album, elevated Orbital to a more intelligent and complex kind of music. When In Sides came out, production was a lot better, and it showed. Not to say that production isn't important. (Hey, I've got my MoN album signed by Micky Mann and I value that almost as much as it being signed by the brothers. And to think that I mistaked his bald head for Paul or Phil.) But, the talent still shines through. Hey, the music during the 60's was pretty gritty, but they still had a lot of talent. The Who probably had better keyboards than Led Zeppelin, but they were both damn good bands. -- Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software - http://www.ResonatorSoft.org/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Rader" Subject: RE: (orbital) Mr Gray Date: 14 Nov 2001 21:56:58 -0800 > My favourite part of both shows I went to were when > Illuminate bled into Satan, and then came back at the > end. Was that Satan that it turned into? Every time I heard that middle portion of Illuminate I thought they were busting out into a Prince song (When Doves Cry? not sure but it sounds almost identical to the beginning of one of his popular songs to me). Shaun # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Rader" Subject: RE: (orbital) Screwing up the definition of "listen"... Date: 14 Nov 2001 22:30:02 -0800 > Well, I have a lot of friends who are jungle/dnb dj's, one > who actually has played in europe, and they all consider it > a poor attempt at drum and bass. The poor attempt at drum and bass is better than any drum and bass I have heard! What are some good d&b groups maybe I haven't heard enough. I have a Spring Heel Jack cd I think I remember it being d&b. Are they considered good? > Okay read what I write before responding. I did not say that > the album was bad because it was not original, this was a > reply to others who said that it was good because it is > original. I was simply disagreeing. My baaad! I do read through the messages fast. :) Shaun # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aimee Couture Subject: RE: (orbital) Screwing up the definition of "listen"... Date: 15 Nov 2001 02:23:41 -0500 Oh my, I wouldn't even know where to begin. I've been listening to jungle/drumnbass for six years now and I don't think I've ever owned a single "album" It's all about the mixtapes and live sets! This music is HUGE here in toronto, so a lot of what we go out and listen to on Saturday nights is home grown. *A # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AJ Miyagi Brustein Subject: (orbital) Recommend? Date: 15 Nov 2001 17:40:14 +0900 Since I have been out of it for a while, and everyone is talking about David Gray, can someone recommend some songs to sample? I want to d/l some stuff from Morpheus before I go buy a CD though... Thanks! Later. AJ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Trym B Asserson Subject: RE: (orbital) Screwing up the definition of "listen"... Date: 15 Nov 2001 10:07:57 +0100 (CET) Quoting Shaun Rader : > > Well, I have a lot of friends who are jungle/dnb dj's, one > > who actually has played in europe, and they all consider it > > a poor attempt at drum and bass. > > The poor attempt at drum and bass is better than any drum and bass I > have heard! What are some good d&b groups maybe I haven't heard enough. I > have a Spring Heel Jack cd I think I remember it being d&b. Are they > considered good? One of the more experimental ones I'd think. For really good d'n'b, turn to any artist on the Moving Shadow label. That's probably THE cornerstone label of the scene fusing jazz, breaks, "ambient" with rolling d'n'b. Any will do, go for Aquasky (often blending in hip hop and breakbeat), Guardians of Dalliance (very influenced by jazz), EZ Rollers (vocal tracks with that jump-up quality and rolling d'n'b), Omni Trio (ambient and atmospheric, jazz-step d'n'b) to Calyx, Rascal and Klone, Technical Itch that are more hard- or tech-step. I mean, some of the suggestions I see around here about d'n'b are not even halfway to the mark. If you think Meltdown is better d'n'b than any other d'n'b you've heard, I would suggest to you that you've never heard d'n'b at all. Try Polar (aka K), on the Certificate 18 label, his production skills are awesome and delivers everything from heavyweight d'n'b at its most dancefloor-concentrated to the more experimental electronica which would very well be suited for the Warp label. Also on Certificate 18 (and many others as is common with nearly all d'n'b people), is Klute who can only be hailed as "GOD" of innovative d'n'b and never fails to deliver great 12"s. Or for example any artist on the Good Looking roster, Big Bud with really soulful, jazzy blues-like d'n'b often set with atmospheric instrumentals (try his album Late Night Blues or the first EP Infinity & Infinity). Or look to Nookie's (In @ The Deep End) with a mixture of all Good Looking (that's LTJ Bukem's label for those who don't know and any compilation cd would also be recommended) stands for and throwing in some silkysmooth vocals too. On the other end of the scale, you'll find dark d'n'b, very dancefloor directed again but mostly for the hard-steppers (sorry if you don't all agree with the terms here) etc., but this includes artists like Dillinja, Lemon D (got his name on a trip reading the newspaper title Le Monde a bit wrongly), Peshay, Ray Keith, Bad Company. Really, this sound is probably what I feel many non-d'n'b people associate with the whole genre which is sad because it's how it used to be but recent years will show you a lot broader music style and introducing elements of uplifting vocals, varying structures and not just 180pm of amen breaks. Then you have the Full Cycle collective of Roni Size, Krust, Suv, Surge, DJ Die.. Oh, where to start describing this wicked crew. They just tear up the scene with their releases. The latest from Suv sees d'n'b fuse with Spanish guitar, vocals and flamenco rhythms. Or any Hospital Records artist, with bossa, breakbeat (Landslide) and house influences (Danny Byrd) at its extremes and disco (High Contrast) on the other end of the scale with a lot of jazz, breaks, etc. fusing it all together in the middle (London Elektricity, Peter Nice Trio). And then you have a lot of MCs, and whoever suggested that they MC at the same tempo as hip hop MCs just has heard MC Skibadee when he sets off. I think his lyrics would've been finished before the hip hop track was halfway through (i.e. twice the tempo). But still, many MCs in d'n'b could equally well be MC in hip hop as sometimes you'll find it the same tempo. Difficult to sum up a scene that's been around for so many years, I'd say about 93-94. Meltdown doesn't even come close to d'n'b in my book, I can't even stand Photek's "Solaris" (which no one else (of fellow d'n'b fans) I've spoken to could either). Gah, don't want this to turn into some dissertation so stopping now... /trym "True rebels always walk alone anyway" Få din egen @start.no-adresse gratis på http://www.start.no/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Trym B Asserson Subject: Re: (orbital) Recommend? Date: 15 Nov 2001 10:12:32 +0100 (CET) Quoting AJ Miyagi Brustein : > Since I have been out of it for a while, and everyone is talking about > David Gray, > can someone recommend some songs to sample? I want to d/l some stuff > from Morpheus > before I go buy a CD though... Thanks! Later. > AJ Illuminate and Please Forgive Me? ;P No, seriously. Try "Birds Without Wings", "A Century Ends", "Babylon", "This Year's Love" (that's both past and present songs). Anyone disagree whether this would be representative of Mr. Gray? :) (i.e. give me some ideas of other songs to sample too if I'm missing some?) /trym Få din egen @start.no-adresse gratis på http://www.start.no/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: (orbital) Screwing up the defination of the lexicon of love Date: 15 Nov 2001 07:26:53 -0800 um, long time, people back on the list to do what they do best. wuzzzup crew? :) .matthewford. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pseudonaut Subject: (orbital) Re: dnb - tempo vs. bpm Date: 15 Nov 2001 08:59:20 -0800 (PST) ah! you're right. :) sorry bout that, i guess i was the one that should've paid attention to the fine points! yes, i agree that they're the same overall tempo...you dance to dnb the same speed you dance to hip hop. sorry to get on the list acting like i have a 9lb cock talking like i'm the music god ;) i stand corrected :) brandon invergo --- Kevin Gomes wrote: > > That is why you will notice that I used the word > tempo instead of bpm which > are two different things. I am well aware that dnb > is twice the bpm of > hiphop and that is why it beat matches. However, > dnb has a relatively slow > tempo. You scratch and mc to dnb at the same speed > as you can to hip hop > which implies that they have the same tempo since > these two things rely on > tempo and rythm very much. Maybe I didn't make my > point clear enough in my > past message. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pseudonaut Subject: Re: (orbital) Study hall. Date: 15 Nov 2001 09:00:54 -0800 (PST) have you ever tried to get special service at burger king cause you were wearing the crown? like "come on, give me a free whopper. i own this place. i own you". it doesn't work. getting waaaaaay off topic :) brandon invergo > > I always like buying a BK kids meal, getting the > crown, standing on the > nearest table and exclaiming "I AM THE KING OF > BURGER KING!!!" > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pseudonaut Subject: RE: (orbital) Screwing up the definition of "listen"... Date: 15 Nov 2001 09:06:06 -0800 (PST) --- Shaun Rader wrote: > The poor attempt at drum and bass is better than any > drum and bass I have > heard! What are some good d&b groups maybe I > haven't heard enough. I have > a Spring Heel Jack cd I think I remember it being > d&b. Are they considered > good? well my preferences are: techy stuff (techstep? not sure): dieselboy, bad company (you'll see them online as EIB or other such derivatives )E|B( or wierd things like that a lot). jazzier stuff: EZ Rollers dark!: old photek also check out Danny the Wildchild...hell yeah yeah, i like a lot of drum n bass, but don't own much myself, so i don't know all the terminology. forgive me! brandon invergo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Screwing up the definition of "listen"... Date: 15 Nov 2001 12:30:13 -0500 Shaun Rader wrote: > The poor attempt at drum and bass is better than any drum and bass I have > heard! What are some good d&b groups maybe I haven't heard enough. I have > a Spring Heel Jack cd I think I remember it being d&b. Are they considered > good? You say you listen to electronica and you only have one D&B CD?! Heh...get some u-Ziq, Aphex Twin, Aprhodite, Mocean Worker, Squarepusher, and others that I've forgotten at the moment. -- Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software - http://www.ResonatorSoft.org/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LightThief@aol.com Subject: (orbital) Brixton Date: 15 Nov 2001 13:27:51 EST Anyone going to see Orbital tonight at Brixton Academy? If you are and want to meet up (I'm going alone sadly) phone me/ text me at 0781 6212 893 Ha, my first post to this list in about 2 years probably. I'm so excited, glad I get to see them live finally. It's not like they ever came to Ohio. -Tony # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Emile Sawaya Subject: Re: (orbital) Brixton Date: 15 Nov 2001 13:49:40 -0500 (EST) Is that the all-nighter you're talking about? If so, pretty much everyone on the Loopz forum is going, go read some of the threads at www.loopz.co.uk/forum.html and you'll be able to meet all of those wacky people (probably Steve Price too, I think he's going). Lucky bastards! Eh, I suppose the US had its fun already. Marc # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aimee Couture Subject: (orbital) If you wanted to go to Brixton tonight but didn't think you Date: 15 Nov 2001 14:02:58 -0500 XFM have just announced that 200 tickets will be available to students and= =20 the unemployed at a reduced rate: 2 for =A320 instead of 1 for =A320. Just= show=20 up at the venue (early!) with proof of your status! *A # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aimee Couture Subject: Re: (orbital) Brixton Date: 15 Nov 2001 14:08:24 -0500 Stupid message bouncing. There's a meetup at the Prince of Wales (corner of Coldharbour Lane and Brixton Hill; from the Brixton tube station turn left (Brixton Hill), walk past Electric Avenue (on the left), it's on the next corner) from 6pm onwards :) A lot of people from the loopz message boards (pub69.ezboard.com/bloopzofficialorbitalwebsite) will be there, I think. At 01:27 PM 11/15/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Anyone going to see Orbital tonight at Brixton Academy? >If you are and want to meet up (I'm going alone sadly) phone me/ text me >at 0781 6212 893 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LightThief@aol.com Subject: Re: (orbital) Brixton Date: 15 Nov 2001 19:58:54 EST Well darn. Wish I could have checked my e-mail after i sent that message. Could have met all you guys. Some other time I guess. 2 questions. 1. Who was the opening act? They were cool. 2. What's up with this all night thing on friday. I tried to get tickets but couldn't. (which is actually a good thing since I have school work I need to do all weekend) 3. (thought of one more) Any other shows people are planning on seeing in London? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aimee Couture Subject: Re: (orbital) Brixton Date: 15 Nov 2001 22:02:48 -0500 Support at tonight's show was the plump djs plus royksopp (from norway!). I quite like Royksopp.. would have been nice to see them. The all-nighter tomorrow.. well, there's tickets right now on ticketweb.co.uk I'm not british, I just like to pretend sometimes :) *A # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julie Lynn Hill Subject: Re: (orbital) Study hall. Date: 15 Nov 2001 23:46:13 -0600 At 11:53 PM 11/14/2001 -0500, Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: >I always like buying a BK kids meal, getting the crown, standing on the >nearest table and exclaiming "I AM THE KING OF BURGER KING!!!" You get kicked out of places often? >>*looks at the Jolly Roger hanging above the computer desk* > >Hackers? No, didn't much like the movie. Just a thing for pirates, is all. (ARRRR!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julie Lynn Hill Subject: Re: (orbital) Study hall. Date: 15 Nov 2001 23:47:41 -0600 At 09:00 AM 11/15/2001 -0800, Pseudonaut wrote: >have you ever tried to get special service at burger >king cause you were wearing the crown? like "come on, >give me a free whopper. i own this place. i own >you". it doesn't work. And again...get kicked out places often? :) >getting waaaaaay off topic :) >brandon invergo Yeah, but it's fun. And nobody's complaining. Yet. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sean Granger" Subject: Re: (orbital) Study hall. Date: 16 Nov 2001 02:14:16 -0600 ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! p.s.> i missed the show, twas now a month ago *blah* ~me # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Trym B Asserson Subject: Re: (orbital) Brixton Date: 16 Nov 2001 10:31:26 +0100 (CET) Quoting LightThief@aol.com: > > Well darn. Wish I could have checked my e-mail after i sent that > message. Could have met all you guys. Some other time I guess. > 2 questions. > 1. Who was the opening act? They were cool. Although I did not go, I heard the warm-up act was Royksopp, a Norwegian(!) duo doing disco/80s-inspired gritty house. the sort of music that partly takes you back to your years during the 80s with warm, fuzzy tones and heavily, synthesized (vocoded?) vocals. just out with an album Melody AM, but really if you just get the two singles Eple and Poor Leno, I think you'll have what you need. Album has a few fillers if you ask me. > 3. (thought of one more) Any other shows people are planning on seeing > in London? SKAM night at 93 ft east on Sunday 25th November. Gescom, Bola, plus plus.. should be awesome. Tickets at www.ticketweb.co.uk. Although it's not Autechre, at least it's one of them doing some DJ set anyway. /trym \"True rebels always walk alone anyway\" .:::...:. teeba@start.no .::.::..::::. Få din egen @start.no-adresse gratis på http://www.start.no/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Trym B Asserson Subject: Re: (orbital) Brixton Date: 16 Nov 2001 10:37:52 +0100 (CET) Quoting Aimee Couture : > Support at tonight's show was the plump djs plus royksopp (from > norway!). I > quite like Royksopp.. would have been nice to see them. true, i said i thought the album had some downsides, they are REALLY good when performing live. they're just completely into their music, and the sound is just .. so much better. *NORWAY AD* *NORWAY AD* If you liked Royksopp, try also Xploding Plastix. They've released one album so far, Amateur Girlfriends Go Proskirt Undercover Agents (or sumthin'), I've actually seen some promos around in London record shops so it's available here too. Again as with Royksopp, cool gritty beats, but these play more jazzy stuff, not that much house as the Royksopp act. *NORWAY AD* *NORWAY AD* > I'm not british, I just like to pretend sometimes :) was starting to think you'd moved here. but XFM have internet broadcasts too, don't they? :) /trym \"True rebels always walk alone anyway\" .:::...:. teeba@start.no .::.::..::::. Få din egen @start.no-adresse gratis på http://www.start.no/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) New Year´s in London Date: 16 Nov 2001 07:19:25 -0500 Hey all, I haven´t been posting lately due to my current studies in Spain, but I´ve been lucky enough to see Orbital in Madrid. In December, I´m travelling to London, and I´m wondering if some people from England can tell me what´s going on there for New Year´s Eve? I´m arriving there December 30, and leaving January 2. Please respond privately, as I´m sure no one wants to have their box cluttered. Thanks, Rob _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Study hall. Date: 16 Nov 2001 12:20:04 -0500 Julie Lynn Hill wrote: > > At 11:53 PM 11/14/2001 -0500, Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > >> I always like buying a BK kids meal, getting the crown, standing on >> the nearest table and exclaiming "I AM THE KING OF BURGER KING!!!" > > You get kicked out of places often? Well, that's not to say that I do that often, either. >>> *looks at the Jolly Roger hanging above the computer desk* >> >> Hackers? > > No, didn't much like the movie. Just a thing for pirates, is all. > > (ARRRR!) ARRRRRR...I'll dress up like a pirate if you want :) (j/k *lol*) -- Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software - http://www.ResonatorSoft.org/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julie Lynn Hill Subject: Re: (orbital) Study hall. Date: 16 Nov 2001 13:14:32 -0600 At 02:14 AM 11/16/2001 -0600, Sean Granger wrote: >ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! > >p.s.> i missed the show, twas now a month ago *blah* > >~me Me too. Speaking of which, Rik hasn't posted a review like many other good list citizens have! *nudge* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julie Lynn Hill Subject: Re: (orbital) Study hall. Date: 16 Nov 2001 13:15:58 -0600 At 12:20 PM 11/16/2001 -0500, Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: ARRRRRR...I'll dress up like a pirate if you want :) (j/k *lol*) Do it! It's fun!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: granger@megsinet.net Subject: (orbital) Pirates and tigers and bears .. oh my! Date: 16 Nov 2001 13:41:33 -0600 (CST) Wasn't Halloween a few weeks ago?? *confused look* ~me # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julie Lynn Hill Subject: Re: (orbital) Pirates and tigers and bears .. oh my! Date: 17 Nov 2001 13:09:49 -0600 Well, yeah, but so? At 01:41 PM 11/16/2001 -0600, granger@megsinet.net wrote: >Wasn't Halloween a few weeks ago?? > >*confused look* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Roger Bucks" Subject: (orbital) Orbital on TV tonight Date: 20 Nov 2001 08:53:24 -0000 In case anyone doesn't know, Pump Up The Volume on Channel 4 (UK) at 11:05 is to feature Orbita amongst others. "blah blah blah.... Carl Cox, Orbital, Shaun Ryder and Sonique share their memories". Enjoy, Roger # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rik Akey Subject: (orbital) (Orbital) Milwaukee review Date: 20 Nov 2001 12:27:56 -0600 Julie Lynn Hill chided: >p.s.> i missed the show, twas now a month ago *blah* >~me >Me too. Speaking of which, Rik hasn't posted a review like many other good list citizens have! >*nudge* Ok, ok. I suppose the standard excuses of work and family obligations will cut no mustard with you people, so I will just apologize, humbly beg your forgiveness, and get to the belated review. -ahem- It was a terrific night in Milwaukee, on Friday October 19th. The weather was warm, and the brothers were in MY town. After enjoying a nice meal at a trendy East side eatery, my wife and I headed to my favorite place to see a show, The Rave. My wife is sort of fragile, and isn't much of a concert-goer. But when everyone canceled on me (you know who you are), she, bless her heart, agreed to go along, just to make me happy. She has a passing familiarity with the music, but she isn't what you'd call a fan. (The reason I mention this will become clear in a moment.) We got there a good 30 minutes before the doors were to open, and found ourselves in a line outside, the likes of which I hadn't stood in since the Oasis show in '96 (back when people LIKED Oasis). The crowd was incredibly diverse. You had your skinny young girls wearing navel-baring haute couture, and you had your fat, balding 30-somethings wearing the third-least smelly things from their bedroom floors. And everyone in between. When the doors opened, there was an orderly, if anxious, procession through the doors. They weren't letting anyone under 18 in, and everyone had to present photo ID, drinking or not. I've been to MANY shows here, and never seen this. Could it be some wacked extension of the "War on Terrorism"? For a room that holds about 1000 people, it's incredibly intimate. I could describe the room, but you can see for yourself. Click here and take the IPIX tour. http://www.therave.com/venueinfo.asp# We found seats in the balcony front row, straight across from the stage, about 10 minutes before the opening DJ started spinning. Never mind him. A while later, Scott Hardkiss hit the decks, and, man, you just have to see this guy. He's terrific. A great mix of styles, and tracks both very familiar and totally new. Scott wrapped up around 10:30, and out bounced Phil and Paul, all amped up, you could just tell. The crowd, which was, by this time, at capacity, was equally excited..... The energy was great, and the sound was terrific. If anything, it was TOO powerful. What do I mean? Well, The Rave is a smallish venue. I don't think they toned it down at all to compensate. I normally wear earplugs, and I still had a slight ringing in my ears the next morning, which has never happened before. I loved hearing The Girl With the Sun in Her Head, and Halcyon, of course. Both familiar, yet new, with the boys making changes and tweaks on the fly. Being pre-disposed to dislike much of the new album, I merely waited out most of the new live tracks, hoping they'd get on to the good stuff (which is basically everything else, IMHO). I particularly disliked Tootled (really now, what the hell is that?), but was surprised by enjoying Doctor? and a few others. Oh yes, have to mention this: a lesson on concert-goer etiquette. Another couple sat down next to us and made out throughout the first half of the show. At one point, the girl's very heavy boot landed in my lap. When I shot them a dirty look, they decided to get up and dance instead, with the same girl chain-smoking through the next few tunes, wheeling her arms around, and very nearly nailing my in the face with her lit cigarette. But I had the last laugh, when she knocked her boyfriend's wallet over the balcony railing and into the crowd below. Maybe I could have caught it for them, but I was in no mood to try. She saw it go, and off they went to try and find it, but not before asking us to save their seats. As they went, I heaved a sigh of relief and relatively clear air. Seeing this, some other people swooped in and asked timidly if we could have the seats. I said, "All yours." Lesson: have some respect (or even awareness!) of your fellow concert-goers. Don't ruin their experience as you seek to heighten your own. In short, don't be a dick. The highlight of the show for me was a track I've always ranked sort of in the middle: Satan. Now, I've heard the track a jillion times, and even seen the brothers do it live in Chicago in '99. But this. My god, it was earth-shattering. They built it to such a level that I actually caught myself leaning back in my seat. Then, they kicked it up a notch. The bass, the visuals, the light show, it was all about as much as I could bear. It was the first time I've ever had my senses completely filled by a musical performance. The track ended, and the crowd went insane. I thought to myself, in a Keanu-like way, "Whoa." Gang, this alone is worth the price of admission. (Any other Milwaukee showgoers have this experience?) I looked over at my wife, and she was actually shaking, and looked spent. It was all too much for her. She told me she felt sick, and couldn't see quite right. I asked her if we should leave. But she knew there was a good 30 minutes left, and insisted we would stay. (Guys, find yourselves a woman like this and be REALLY nice to her. Trust me.) Overall, the show was amazing, despite my not enjoying every tune. The visuals (excellent use of PacMan!) and light show really added a lot to the performance, which was very energetic and engaging. The crowd was really into it, and I found myself thinking how amazing it was that this many people in my town even know about Orbital. When the show wrapped up, we headed out. The crowd was still buzzing, though a lot of those skinny young girls looked just as spent as my wife. We wrapped up the night at George Webb's, which is Milwaukee's little 24-hour breakfast-or-burger chain, and we discussed the show. Our heads were ringing slightly, and my wife wished we could have sat back about another Rave-length, just to lessen the assault (not possible, as we would have been across the street in another building), but we agreed it was fantastic. For those who couldn't make the Milwaukee show with me (and, again, you know who you are), you missed something amazing. Now, to spare my wife's delicate sensibilities from further assault, who wants to hit the Crystal Method show with me next Wednesday? I've seen them three times; twice in The Rave, and once with Orbital in Chicago in '99. It's a good, good time. Here's the info: http://www.therave.com/eventinfo.asp?ID=910 What do you say? Meet up early at my place, discuss which new album was worse, The Altogether or Tweekend. (Flamers beware; I have a fire extinguisher.) -- Rik Akey # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julie Lynn Hill Subject: Re: (orbital) (Orbital) Milwaukee review Date: 21 Nov 2001 00:50:14 -0600 At 12:27 PM 11/20/2001 -0600, Rik Akey wrote: >Ok, ok. I suppose the standard excuses of work and family obligations >will cut no mustard with you people, so I will just apologize, humbly >beg your forgiveness, and get to the belated review. -ahem- Oh, lame. Like we've never heard that before? :) >Now, to spare my wife's delicate sensibilities from further assault, who >wants to hit the Crystal Method show with me next Wednesday? I wish, I wish. But Mike's in class until 10 and I have this 9:30 Thursday morning that I really need to stop skipping. (My track record with this class does not bode well for my 7:45 lab next semester...) 'Twould be neat to have some sort of concert get-together of local listees though! We'll have to keep our eyes on the concert schedules... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Rader" Subject: (orbital) D&B and Breakbeat Science Date: 20 Nov 2001 23:35:20 -0800 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > You say you listen to electronica and you only have one D&B > CD?! Heh...get some u-Ziq, Aphex Twin, Aprhodite, Mocean Worker, > Squarepusher, and others that I've forgotten at the moment. I've heard all those you've mentioned except Mocean Worker. The rest (except for Aphrodite) I never thought of as d&b. Maybe my limited knowledge of d&b lead me to believe that Meltdown wasn't d&b either. I gotta check out all the artists everyone sent to me. Hopefully I can find them online somewhere. What is this Breakbeat Science stuff? Could Meltdown be considered that? I heard a dj mix somewhere and people were calling it breakbeat science... Shaun # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin Gomes" Subject: Re: (orbital) D&B and Breakbeat Science Date: 21 Nov 2001 00:11:04 -0800 > I've heard all those you've mentioned except Mocean Worker. The rest > (except for Aphrodite) I never thought of as d&b. Maybe my limited > knowledge of d&b lead me to believe that Meltdown wasn't d&b either. > Well, don't think of dnb as being only the shit that you hear at raves/clubs or whatever. That's like saying that all techno music is dancey house. Dnb is a lot more diverse than just this. The defining aspect of dnb is the beat. Any type of music with that particular drum pattern can be classified as dnb. > What is this Breakbeat Science stuff? Could Meltdown be considered that? I > heard a dj mix somewhere and people were calling it breakbeat science... Breakbeat Science is a record label so Meltdown can not be classified as that. take care kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Trym B Asserson Subject: Re: (orbital) D&B and Breakbeat Science Date: 21 Nov 2001 10:03:25 +0100 (CET) Quoting Kevin Gomes : > > What is this Breakbeat Science stuff? Could Meltdown be considered > that? > I > > heard a dj mix somewhere and people were calling it breakbeat > science... > > Breakbeat Science is a record label so Meltdown can not be classified > as > that. and one of the few, decent d'n'b, hip hop, breaks shops in NYC too, I believe? I think ATM had a feature in their latest issue. /trym "True rebels always walk alone anyway" .:::...:. teeba@start.no .::.::..::::. Få din egen @start.no-adresse gratis på http://www.start.no/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Arfie Mansfield Subject: Re: (orbital) D&B and Breakbeat Science Date: 21 Nov 2001 17:42:29 +0100 >>You say you listen to electronica and you only have one D&B >>CD?! Heh...get some u-Ziq, Aphex Twin, Aprhodite, Mocean Worker, >>Squarepusher, and others that I've forgotten at the moment. > >I've heard all those you've mentioned except Mocean Worker. The rest >(except for Aphrodite) I never thought of as d&b. They aren't. They occasionally go into drill'n'bass, which is faster than drum'n'bass, and not too similar in terms of style. They're IDM rather than D&B. On the other hand - sod pidgeonholing - it's never worked on Orbital, and it'll never work on =B5-ziq, Mr Scruff, Si Begg, Squarepusher, Aphex Twin, et al.... :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) And like the wind... Date: 21 Nov 2001 13:10:17 -0500 The list dies out again. Well, I'll try to hold it up (again) with another post: Anybody heard of Haujobb? I found this guy on a sidewalk side (along with 70-80 other CDs, totaling $60) I bought Polarity and it's really good. The way he "talks" on the album kinda irks me, though. He can sing on the chorus line, but sometimes the talks is just out of tune to the music. Besides that, it's great stuff. Also, I'm going to get the newest Curve CD today. Anybody who was disappointed with the newest Garbage CD should like this. -- Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software - http://www.ResonatorSoft.org/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pseudonaut Subject: Re: (orbital) And like the wind... Date: 21 Nov 2001 11:52:56 -0800 (PST) i was trying to tell everyone about haujobb a couple of years ago!! jeez...don't listen to *my* recommendations... ;) no, haujobb is a damn fine band. i don't personally like their newest cd as much, but definitely check out the remix matrix and '99. especially '99, cause there's almost no vocals and it's all just really minimal harsh stuff, but with plenty of atmospheres to smooth it out. great stuff. brandon invergo --- Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > > The list dies out again. Well, I'll try to hold it > up (again) with another > post: Anybody heard of Haujobb? I found this guy on > a sidewalk side (along > with 70-80 other CDs, totaling $60) I bought > Polarity and it's really good. > The way he "talks" on the album kinda irks me, > though. He can sing on the > chorus line, but sometimes the talks is just out of > tune to the music. > Besides that, it's great stuff. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Rader" Subject: RE: (orbital) D&B and Breakbeat Science Date: 22 Nov 2001 01:13:00 -0800 > On the other hand - sod pidgeonholing - it's never worked on > Orbital, and it'll never work on µ-ziq, Mr Scruff, Si Begg, > Squarepusher, Aphex Twin, et al.... :) Music is music we shouldn't pidgeonhole it. You're right. As long as it's good. About the Breakbeat Science discussion.. I remember what it was. On the loopz site people were saying that the music in this 'web mix' was Breakbeat Science. That's why I thought it was a style of music. Does any of the music on this real audio mix ring a bell for anyone (I hear Hybrid in there but that's the only thing I recognize.. I like a lot of the music in this mix)? rtsp://real.wmg.com/sire/orbmix.rm It was taken from the official US website for Orbital's Altogether http://www.london-sire.com/orbital/index_fs.html Not sure what the mix has to do with Orbital. Doesn't sound related at all to me.. and from hearing previous dj mixes by Paul (he's the one who djs from time to time right?) it doesn't sound like the stuff he spins. But I could be wrong.. I mean it IS on their official site. Shaun # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin Gomes" Subject: Re: (orbital) D&B and Breakbeat Science Date: 22 Nov 2001 19:30:17 -0800 > Music is music we shouldn't pidgeonhole it. You're right. As long as it's > good. But without labels, how do you describe music to people with such a vast sounding genre as electronic music. Even if we say this song is like underworld, or whoever, you are still labeling it. We are not pidgeonholing, we are describing. There is a difference. Many groups cannot be said to be a specific genre, but some of their songs will show influences from genres. That is what I was doing by saying that Meltdown had dnb influences, which is what started this whole discussion. Anyway, discussion is good, don't try to stop it. kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Raquel Mir" Subject: (orbital) US tour bootlegs Date: 26 Nov 2001 10:21:49 -0600 Anyone know where and how to get some bootlegs of any of the US shows? I really want to get the one for austin. thanks _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick Knatch" Subject: (orbital) MADNESS!!! =)________________its esoteric my dear watson Date: 27 Nov 2001 12:39:32 +0000 Hello. I'm new to this list, and just can't wait to get into some MAD discussions. As you might have noticed from my E-mail address i'm a nutta!!! I live in London and work in a record label (though its about to be liquidated). I'm also an amateur dj and music producer, unfortuately meaning i can't live doing this (but who the fuck can?). You can check out my music if you like at: www.ampcast.com/xse That would be well cool. If you could also leave feedback that would be cooler as i need some opinions on it. Anyway glad to be joining this list, hope your all exciting and craaaaaazy =) Peace and Love, Nick a.k.a. Widespread Panic xoxox PS: Did you know Sherlok Holmes was on coke and smack!!!! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) MADNESS!!! =)________________its esoteric my dear watson Date: 27 Nov 2001 13:17:24 -0500 Nick Knatch wrote: > > PS: Did you know Sherlok Holmes was on coke and smack!!!! Only on Firesign Theater. -- Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software - http://www.ResonatorSoft.org/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital