From: Paul Eade Subject: To: orbital@xmission.com Date: 07 Jun 1994 12:23:29 +0100 (BST) anyone out there know of a 15 minute version of Chime? paule@slk.press.net Paul Eade, (PA Sport Production) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mcgraicp Subject: Re: Date: 07 Jun 1994 12:38:00 BST At last! A post! I thought orbital@xmission.com had died, or I'd magically been un-subscribed! Erm, no, I don't know of a 15 minute version of chime. And I still reckon the best version is the live one on the UK yellow album - I got hold of Mutations the other day (courtesy of RDB), and Chime Crime is OK, but well, not quite 'there' - wherever that is. Hey, I could always MAKE a 15 minute version... Chris. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fms@MIT.EDU Subject: oops Date: 07 Jun 1994 08:33:31 EDT I spoke too soon. Lazlo has been here and has an excellent discography par usual (thanks lazlo). So, my new question upon perusing the discography is what is the availability of the older singles? Chime, mutations, omen, satan, and midnight in particular. Are they more available on cd or 12" or just not at all. Also, I didn't know the uk had a different version of the green album, grrr. What are people's impressions of Steel Cube Idolatry and High Rise? Are they worth tracking down the uk version of this album for? [fletcher] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fms@MIT.EDU Subject: radiccio Date: 07 Jun 1994 08:35:25 EDT How is the song deeper on the radiccio single? I have a friend who bought a copy of the single (the uk import I believe) for about $20, I found the us version for less than $10 (sans deeper). So, is the song Deeper really worth an extra 10 bucks? ie is it the best orbital song ever? [fletcher] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nick King Subject: Re: your mail Date: 07 Jun 1994 13:17:57 BST > > > anyone out there know of a 15 minute version of Chime? > > paule@slk.press.net > > Paul Eade, (PA Sport Production) > > I have a feeling (I've never seen it) that the UK CD Single has a 13 minute version (I remember reading this somewhere before). Incidently, I've recently spoken to someone who has got a copy of the Omen CD Single with '2 Deep' on it, so maybe it was only a few of the copies that were mispressed. Regards, Nick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Neil C Elkins Subject: Re: your mail Date: 07 Jun 1994 14:37:32 +0100 (BST) On Tue, 7 Jun 1994, Paul Eade wrote: > > anyone out there know of a 15 minute version of Chime? > > paule@slk.press.net > > Paul Eade, (PA Sport Production) > > Yes. It's on the original O-Zone/FFRR twelve inch of said record. It's not actually 15 minutes, more like 13. It sort of starts as per usual and carrys on for about 9 minutes, into the quiet backwards orchestra type bit at the end, and then, just when you're least expecting it kicks back in with just about all the parts playing (which, incidentially, annoyed the hell out of my father, who said 'I thought these bloody things were meant to get quieter at the end', though he's never easily impressed). This bit then does some rather outlandish 303/101 twiddling and finishes much as the longer version did. So really, it's the 12" and a shorter remix segued. ___ Neil C Elkins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Eade Subject: Re: your mail Date: 07 Jun 1994 15:10:05 +0100 (BST) Thanks - next question, where can I get hold of a copy? Paul Eade, (PA Sport Production) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C. David Holloway" Subject: Re: your mail Date: 07 Jun 1994 11:19:09 -0500 (CDT) > anyone out there know of a 15 minute version of Chime? > > paule@slk.press.net > > Paul Eade, (PA Sport Production) I've got a version of Chime that is 12:39. It is from the Chime/Open Mind 12". ffrr 350 001-1. It came out in 1992. Hope this helps. Dave cdh1@ra.msstate.edu ...or you can call him Dave the Rave. ...or you can even call him Technodave. ...but don't call him discodave!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nick King Subject: Re: your mail Date: 07 Jun 1994 17:51:03 BST > > > Thanks - next question, where can I get hold of a copy? > > Paul Eade, (PA Sport Production) > > A good question!! The last time I saw it on sale it was for 20 UK Pounds, and they go very quickly (Orbital are a very popular band)!!!! Good luck, Nick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cspot@netcom.com (Chris.Hilker) Subject: Re: oops Date: 07 Jun 1994 11:19:41 -0700 (PDT) The world according to fms@MIT.EDU: > >Also, I didn't know the uk had a different version of the green album, >grrr. What are people's impressions of Steel Cube Idolatry and High >Rise? Are they worth tracking down the uk version of this album for? Yes and Yes. "Steel Cube Idolatry" is a nice track with a tweaked diva sample, descending chimes, and a decent riff. I remember once at a full moon rave on the beach at Bonny Doon, I was having a chat with a guy who was visiting California from Holland, that track came on, we did a double take and said "Orbital!" "High Rise" on the other hand is one of those long slow-building tracks, with variations on the theme of tones rising in pitch. I'd say the percussion on HR is better than on SCI. And don't forget you're also missing the original version of "Speed Freak" (which Moby ruined), and a great live version of "Midnight," too. C. - -- Channel ** cspot/chris [cspot@netcom.com] "...you can get a similar thrill from peeing into a toilet with blue water and watching it turn green." - mhargrea@cwis.unomaha.edu, on the color- changing "Incrediberry" flavor, in alt.drinks.kool-aid. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mcgraicp Subject: New LP: Snivilisation. Date: 08 Jun 1994 08:53:54 BST Transcribed from New Music Express (8/6/94): ====================================================================== The dawn of 'Snivilisation' Orbital's new album has been hugely influenced by London's pirate 'jungle' radio stations. "It's just like listening to electro for the first time," Orbital's Paul Hartnoll told NME. He claimed that the intense 'jungle' music has influenced the band's recently completed new album, 'Snivilisation'. "We haven't consciously changed direction" Paul said, "I don't think we ever do anything consciously. The last track in particular is quite a 'jungle' track with a big breakbeat in there." In contrast, the pair have also been listening to soundtrack artists like Michael Nyman, and this rather more sedate influence has also contributed to the LP's overall feel. For the first time, the Hartnoll brothers have used live vocals on several tracks, performed by a friend of the pair, Alison Goldfratt. 'Snivilisation', recorded in Shoreditch and due out mid-August, will be the first Orbital LP to have a title, the last two being referred to as the 'green' and 'brown' albums respectively. "We had a couple of tracks done last year", Paul said, "but for the first time it was mainly written and recorded in the sequence it appears on the album, so it's far more of a soundtrack than the other two. That's why we decided to give it a title." Some of the new material will receive its first airing at the band's Saturday night NME Stage slot after Bjork at Glastonbury, the bands's only confirmed UK date. ====================================================================== Inn-teresting! Chris. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roger D Bucks Subject: *AUGUST*?????? Date: 08 Jun 1994 10:44:22 BST What a wait, I was hoping to get the album so I could wind down after the exams! :) Somebody asked about the availability of Orbital 12"s/CDs: Availability is somewhat akin to the phrase "Pot Luck". On CD, Mutations is available (relatively) (I've still got an extra copy cos someone who asked for one hasn't mailed me back yet :) ). Radiccio is still being stocked by Virgin (or at least was on Friday) (has the "Deeper" version in I think) as are Lush and the horrendously priced "Peel Sessions". Chimes I haven't seen ever, Midnight I picked up by a fluke, Omen and Satan are available once in a blue moon. To get any of these you have to haunt second-hand shops all over the UK though. 12"s are easier but you do have to pay. All the tracks are generally\ available. (inc Remixes like Chime remix and Midnight Sasha mix) tho' the prices are a bit steep (20 quid for Satan, 20 quid for Midnight (Remix)). I'm still looking for the unavailable tracks (for all those people that mailed me) so if I get any I'll contact you after the summer. Thus, if anyone mailed me to get tracks who isn't going to be on EMail after the summer, alterate arrangments should be made :) CYA RDB rdb@cs.nott.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dana M Nibby Subject: Re: Orbital Mailing List Digest V1 #9 Date: 08 Jun 1994 11:49:41 -0400 (EDT) signoff dmn@christa.unh.edu - -- <----------------------------------------------------------------------> | Dana Nibby | | | | "We should not act and speak as if | | | we were asleep." --- Heraclitus | | dmn@kepler.unh.edu |_____________________________________| | | | | | PHILOSOPHER: WILL THINK FOR FOOD | \________________________________|_____________________________________/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Warwicker - GDS Customer Service <"gdssup::paul"@arc.ug.eds.com> Subject: Glastonbury/New Peel Session Date: 08 Jun 1994 11:49:41 -0400 (EDT) I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned... According to the BBC's WWW pages, Orbital as (will be) recorded at Glastonbury, 24-26/06 is due to aired on John Peel's show 01/07. The Orbital recording will be the first of at least 6 recordings to be made by the BBC. paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Al Ritchie" Subject: Re: New LP: Snivilisation. Date: 09 Jun 1994 21:54:49 CDT >Orbital's new album has been hugely influenced by London's pirate 'jungle' radio stations. "It's just like listening to electro for the first time," Orbital's Paul Hartnoll told NME. He claimed that the intense 'jungle' music has influenced the band's recently completed new album, 'Snivilisation'. Oh no! This is probably the worst news I'll hear all summer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Bartholdsson Subject: Re: Orbital album Date: 10 Jun 1994 09:10:20 +0200 Al Ritchie writes: >>Orbital's new album has been hugely influenced by London's pirate >>'jungle' radio stations. > >"It's just like listening to electro for the first time," Orbital's Paul >Hartnoll told NME. He claimed that the intense 'jungle' music has >influenced the band's recently completed new album, 'Snivilisation'. > > > >Oh no! This is probably the worst news I'll hear all summer. On the contrary, this is great news! Can't wait to hear the album! - - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rmvrshek@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Robert M. Vrshek) Subject: Snivilisation Date: 11 Jun 1994 01:08:12 -0500 (CDT) I hope to God Orbital's new album isn't all breakbeat and jungle. Everything they've done up until now has been excellent, except for the naked and the dead (imho, I am entitled to it). The point is that their music defies classification, and if they get too much into breakbeat and jungle, it's going to influence them to the point that they start to sound like everyone else. In addition, I think breakbeat and jungle are boring. Leave the bongos to Santana and the Miami Sound Machine. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Stephenwolf. I'm beginning to glow...forever! %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roger D Bucks Subject: BASE Date: 11 Jun 1994 7:50:43 BST Whatever happened to "BASE"? What was it? Why isn't it anymore? :) I like some jungle stuff (not much tho') and I'm sure that as it's Orbital then it's going to go beyond the bounds of defined jungalism and break into new areas of aural appreciation. And anyway, as it's Orbital, it's almost bound to be excellent (IMHO). To whoever it was (ages ago) that wan't too keen on Semi-Detached... The "Diversions" version is better than the "Peel Sessions" version. It grew on me quite quickly. CYA RDB rdb@cs.nott.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Bartholdsson Subject: Re: Snivilisation Date: 11 Jun 1994 10:33:30 +0200 Robert M. Vrshek writes: >I hope to God Orbital's new album isn't all breakbeat and jungle. Everything >they've done up until now has been excellent, except for the naked and the dead >(imho, I am entitled to it). The point is that their music defies >classification, and if they get too much into breakbeat and jungle, it's going >to influence them to the point that they start to sound like everyone else. I don't think there's any danger of that. I think the only thing that will separate this album from the others is that the beats may be a bit wilder. "Impact" and "Remind" had pretty cool beats already and they will probably just extend that idea a bit. >In addition, I think breakbeat and jungle are boring. Leave the bongos to >Santana and the Miami Sound Machine. Er... what?? - - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Eade Subject: To: orbital@xmission.com Date: 11 Jun 1994 10:22:21 +0100 (BST) Anyone out there know of any good clubs to go to in London round about the end of the month for Orbital-type moves and grooves? The only one I really know is the 'Hardclub' at Gossips on Monday 4th July, which is excellent if you like the likes of Orbital, Underworld, Meat Beat Manifesto etc Paul Eade, (PA Sport Production) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R A Lemon Subject: New Orbital Date: 11 Jun 1994 12:52:33 +0000 So what if the new Orbital album is going to use some jungle influences, it seems from the IDM and this list that a lot of people are afraid that orbital are going to diversify in  into another form of music instead of sticking to basic minimal techno....I just can't understand the lack of open-mindedness among a lot of you - you have more attitude than a really bad hardcore club.... rick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Al Ritchie" Subject: Re: New Orbital Date: 11 Jun 1994 14:49:24 CDT >So what if the new Orbital album is going to use some jungle >influences, it >seems from the IDM and this list that a lot of people are afraid that >orbital are going to diversify in  into another form of music instead >of sticking to basic minimal techno....I just can't understand the lack >of open-mindedness among a lot of you - you have more attitude than >a >really bad hardcore club.... >rick It's not "attitude" to know the difference between creative, progressive music and covertly commercial crap. I'll give P&P the benefit of the doubt, and expect another great album, but I think I can speak for an awful lot of Orbital fans in saying I'm a bit apprehensive about what they've chosen as an "influence." As for open-mindedness...just be careful who you're spouting off to, pal. Al. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Bartholdsson Subject: Re: New Orbital Date: 12 Jun 1994 00:11:26 +0200 Al Ritchie writes: >>of sticking to basic minimal techno....I just can't understand the lack >>of open-mindedness among a lot of you - you have more attitude than >>a >>really bad hardcore club.... > >>rick > >It's not "attitude" to know the difference between creative, progressive >music Orbital and progressive house, I presume? >and covertly commercial crap. Jungle, right? Now that's what I call an attitude problem. >As for open-mindedness...just be careful who you're spouting off to, pal. ...shiver... - - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rmvrshek@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Robert M. Vrshek) Subject: re: Snivilisation Date: 12 Jun 1994 00:43:30 -0500 (CDT) Er, I can only listen to jungle for about a minute until it just sounds like a Paul Simon concert, or a Bongo solo on a Miami Sound Machine song. Do you get it now, or do you need further explanation? er er er er er er er er er er er Let's try to control ourselves when we feel the urge to type "er" and flame somebody. Discourse is interesting to read, but smart aleck comments are not. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Stephenwolf. I'm beginning to glow...forever! %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Eade Subject: re: Snivilisation Date: 12 Jun 1994 10:29:00 +0100 (BST) On Sun, 12 Jun 1994, Robert M. Vrshek wrote: Discourse is interesting to read, but smart aleck comments are not. > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > > Stephenwolf> > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > ...spot on, mate! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fms@MIT.EDU Subject: Deeper Date: 13 Jun 1994 15:08:37 EDT I'm wondering about people's opinions on the song Deeper. A friend of mine bought a copy of Radiccio that contains Deeper and was pretty expensive. She's wondering if it's worth the extra money to get that song or if she should return it and get the cheaper version of Radiccio. Thanks [fletcher] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nick King Subject: Orbital 1 UK Album Date: 15 Jun 1994 20:21:47 BST Hi all, I've found an availability for the Orbital 1 (green) UK tape/CD: SPILLERS RECORDS, 36 The Hayes, Cardiff. CF1 2AJ WALES Tel: (0222) 383848 (24 Hours) Fax: (0222) 340358 (24 Hours) ORBITAL - Orbital (1st Album).....................Tape 4.99/CD 7.99 Prices are in UK Pounds Sterling, but they accept Access (Mastercard) & Visa. Postage in UK: 60p for first & 30p thereafter Europe/S. Ireland: 2 x UK rates Rest Of World : 4 x UK rates Just found it in the back of this week's NME - good luck! Regards, Nick P.S. Orbital are playing live on June 22nd at London Holburn Leisure Lounge, previewing an entirely new show, including the premiere of new tracks from their forthcoming third album, 'Snivilisation'. Whole gig is from 9pm - 3am, and tickets cost 6 UK Pounds Sterling. If anyone goes, could they send all of us a review of the 'gig' - cheers! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Re: help on current music Date: 17 Jun 1994 01:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Please reply privately to this horrible cross-posting... _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ f l u i d /,_) \ \ flu'id (floo'-) (/ \\ brit@chopin.udel.edu :65 FD F9 9F F2 23 F8 CF: \) fluid@freezer.cns.udel.edu :80 9C 11 AA 9F 92 0D 27: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C. David Holloway" Subject: Responding to Mr. Parry Date: 17 Jun 1994 07:53:53 -0500 (CDT) Private responses? What the #$%& for!? Dave cdh1@ra.msstate.edu ...or you can call him Dave the Rave. ...or you can even call him Technodave. ...but don't call him discodave!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fms@MIT.EDU Subject: Deeper Date: 20 Jun 1994 14:59:28 EDT I'm wondering about people's opinions on the song Deeper. A friend of mine bought a copy of Radiccio that contains Deeper and was pretty expensive. She's wondering if it's worth the extra money to get that song or if she should return it and get the cheaper version of Radiccio. I posted this once before and didn't get any replies, so I'm trying again... Thanks [fletcher] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nick King Subject: Orbital 1 UK CD Date: 21 Jun 1994 16:25:25 BST Hi, Orbital 1 UK CD has been reissued - it is now common place in my local HMV store at about 9.80 UK Pounds. So, all you Americans that want a copy will now be able to grab one - try Dave at Ear Rational Music (I've forgotten his e-mail address, but can post it soon). Regards, Nick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Simon Hodgon" Subject: X-Ovvm-To: NETWORK --UKACRL orbital@xmission.c Date: 29 Jun 1994 11:21:28 BST Simon Hodgon ( ssho0@ib.rl.ac.uk) Room 2284__x 4174 o /~> _____________________________________________( \ *** Forwarding note from OVMAIL --UKACRL 29/06/94 11:20 *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Simon Hodgon" Subject: No Subject Date: 29 Jun 1994 11:20:40 BST *** Resending note of 29/06/94 11:16 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Chace Subject: No Subject Date: 29 Jun 1994 11:20:40 BST >There have been various rumours circulating that Orbital's next effort - >whenever it arrives - will be influenced by Jungle Hardcore. Even the >Glastonbury programme mentioned this but I heard no sign of the influence. >Perhaps the set shown on Channel 4 was cut too heavily? They did do one thing which was quite minimal in a drum and bass sort of way, s o I suppose you could describe it as jungle like. It went on for over 10 minut es, and having not seen any of the Glastonbury footage on C4, I can only presum e that they did cut it heavily. **** ERROR **** This mail could not be delivered by OV/VM No SUBJECT field in your nickname file ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roger D Bucks Subject: Glastonbury Date: 29 Jun 1994 12:16:48 BST The Glastonbury set shown on Channel 4 (UK) was cut down to a remix of the album (brown) version of Impact (extended more than remixed) and Remind (their "reworking" of Mindstream [Meat Beat Manifesto]). Nothing was shown of any new tracks and C4 faded out near the end of Remind for an Ad break. I didn't see any other parts of the Orbital set. I think C4 were just playing old stuff from most of the groups (especially those that might be considered "specialised"). I await the Radio 1 replay on 1st of June (I hope). Anyone who asked me to find Orbital CDs/12"s for them: I'm away till October. If you have any queries or anything then I probably won't reply till then. I'm assuming, due to the large availability of the re-issued green album, that everyone that asked for it from me can now get it themselves. Mail if this is not so. No changes will be made to the "wants list" till October anyway. And, not that I need to say, shop around for the album cos I've seen prices as low as 6.99 (british pounds) for the album. CYA RDB rdb@cs.nott.ac.uk [Have a nice summer!] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Simon Hodgon" Subject: X-Ovvm-To: NETWORK --UKACRL orbital@xmission.c Date: 29 Jun 1994 14:26:35 BST Simon Hodgon ( ssho0@ib.rl.ac.uk) Room 2284__x 4174 o /~> _____________________________________________( \ *** Forwarding note from OVMAIL --UKACRL 29/06/94 11:20 *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Simon Hodgon" Subject: No Subject Date: 29 Jun 1994 11:20:40 BST *** Resending note of 29/06/94 11:16 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Chace Subject: No Subject Date: 29 Jun 1994 11:20:40 BST >There have been various rumours circulating that Orbital's next effort - >whenever it arrives - will be influenced by Jungle Hardcore. Even the >Glastonbury programme mentioned this but I heard no sign of the influence. >Perhaps the set shown on Channel 4 was cut too heavily? They did do one thing which was quite minimal in a drum and bass sort of way, s o I suppose you could describe it as jungle like. It went on for over 10 minut es, and having not seen any of the Glastonbury footage on C4, I can only presum e that they did cut it heavily. **** ERROR **** This mail could not be delivered by OV/VM No SUBJECT field in your nickname file ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AJR2@NAUVAX.UCC.NAU.EDU Subject: information on orbital Date: 29 Jun 1994 18:56:47 -0700 (MST) if possible please send info on old cd's, tour dates in the US, etc. I picked up orbitals latest and think it's great would like to hear older stuff... thanks for the help TOE KNEE