From: martin Subject: Re: Therapy? & Orbital Date: 02 May 1995 08:58:00 +0100 (BST) From what i've gathered in Uk mags, the Volume people who make those nice CD and book things as well as the Trance Europe and Tranc Atlantic series are putting together compilations of old stuff off early copies of Volume. There is and 'indie' one and a dance one. 13or so tracks that are rare in a nice booklet with CD thing. To promote these a single is being released. This double A side single features Therapy? on one side and Orbital on the other. The Orbital track is a vocal version of Belfast. Basically if you can get hold of the Volume compilations in your country then you should be able to get hold of the 'Wasted' compilation (if it is indeed called that). hope that's helped martin Hydrogen Dukebox Org Records Sabres Of Paradise |------------------------------------------------------------------| |THE | The finest | http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~esvtk/ | | SPOON | discographies|------------------------------------| | WEB | on the Web(?)| e-mail : esvtk@csv.warwick.ac.uk | |------------------------------------------------------------------| Done Lying Down Gunshot Eskimos & Egypt Sleeper ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shiny happy person Subject: Tribal Gathering Date: 04 May 1995 10:17:27 +0100 (BST) To all attending Tribal Gathering - Have an excellent time, might see you there! Love, peace, and rave on....Man! Sara ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Mison Subject: Belfast/Wasted- info Date: 04 May 1995 14:02:26 GMT All the info you need on Volume's release of "Belfast/Wasted": The CD single is VOLCD1, the digipak is VOLDC1, the 12" w/poster is VOLX1. The digipak & 12" are limited editions. There is also a radio edit (promo only). A video is currently in production. The release date is 15 May. I don't know about US release, though. Paul Mison- mison@cardiff.ac.uk- http://www.york.ac.uk/~wjb101/orbital.htm "The moon casts no shadows for us to hide"- One Dove- Breakdown ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lazlo@rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Belfast/Wasted- info Date: 04 May 1995 09:09:30 -0600 (MDT) > The release date is 15 May. > I don't know about US release, though. Caroline has been distributing recent Volume stuff in the US. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Check out http://www.rt66.com/lazlo for the Internet Music Wantlists, ::: many artist discographies, and other record collecting resources. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kirsten Miller Subject: Testing one, two, three... Date: 04 May 1995 10:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Hello? Is anybody out there? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C. Randolph Philipp" Subject: Re: Testing one, two, three... Date: 04 May 1995 14:19:42 -0400 > > Hello? Is anybody out there? > You know, it has been to damn quiet on this list. ====================================================================== C. Randolph Philipp National Geodetic Survey randy@dobbs.ngs.noaa.gov assert(*this!=opinionof(NGS)); ====================================================================== Command of the Week: echo '16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D3F204445524F42snlbxq'|dc GCS/M/MU/S d-- H+ s:++ g+ p2 au a- w++ v+ C++ UBS++++ L+ E N+ K W V-- -po+ Y++ t+ 5 j- R G'' tv+ b+ D+ B--- e+++ h+ f r-- n+ y+ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Powell <100321.3505@compuserve.com> Subject: Tribal Gathering Date: 04 May 1995 10:45:06 EDT Right then, everyone going to Tribal Gathering should arrange to meet. I'll be the one dancing my bits off when Orbital are on. Shouldn't be too difficult to find me...(NOT)! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Moloney Subject: Re: Tribal Gathering Date: 04 May 1995 23:08:40 +0200 You write: > To all attending Tribal Gathering - Have an excellent time, might see you > there! And, of course, if any of yes don't get to the Gathering, hopefully you will make it to Feile just outside Dublin on the August Bank Holiday weekend for Orbital, Moby and the Prodigy, among many others! (No, I don't work for them. :) And what _is_ the name of the compilation that has been mentioned here recently anyway? "Wasted"? "Volume Comp"? Cheers, P. moorcockdenislearypratchettdelasouliainbanksneworderclivejamesbatmanpjorourke vr p a u l m o l o n e y "`Discipline!' I bellowed.`Remember Vince Lombardi!'" pe dublin ireland http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~pmoloney/ brownbladerunnerdrhunterthompsonsugarcubesjohnwooblaylockpowershiassenorbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ST942572@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (James Null) Subject: [none] Date: 04 May 1995 18:50:17 -0400 O.K. I'm listening to Snivilisation right now and I'm really confused. Its really cool for 5 minutes and then it gets way to housey, and I hate house. Orbital is soooooooo amazing and some of this record shows that, but this is nothing compared to their first album, Orbital II, or Diversions. I bet in a little while when I listen to enough I'll like but it will not be the same. I was so scared to get this album, I waited until now because I heard it really sucked. What do you think???? Hey is anyone out in New Orleans? Lets get some more debate on the subject :) Has anyone here heard of Mitch Sonee, if so say hi to him for me.. James ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian_McCausland@mit.bison.mb.ca (Ian McCausland) Subject: Re: Testing one, two, three... Date: 04 May 1995 23:56:15 GMT >Hello? Is anybody out there? "X-ray delta one, this is mission control. Roger your two zero one three. Sorry you fellas are having a bit of trouble. We are reviewing telemetric information in our mission simulator and will advise." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark@commotion.com (Mark Rudholm) Subject: [none] Date: 04 May 1995 16:21:37 -0700 > From: ST942572@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (James Null) > O.K. I'm listening to Snivilisation right now and I'm really confused. Its > really cool for 5 minutes and then it gets way to housey, and I hate house. > Orbital is soooooooo amazing and some of this record shows that, but this > is nothing compared to their first album, Orbital II, or Diversions. I bet > in a little while when I listen to enough I'll like but it will not be the > same. I was so scared to get this album, I waited until now because I > heard it really sucked. What do you think???? Hey is anyone out in New > Orleans? I really like the album. It's different, and for that reason, I tend to examine what I'm hearing more. But really, the bottom line is do _you_ like it. What others think is really just academic. I'm really interested to hear what they're working on now. - -Mark - -- Mark D. Rudholm / Software and Systems Commotion New Media, inc. rudholm@hyperreal.com 1424 Fourth Street, #604 mark@commotion.com Santa Monica, CA 90401 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas A. Berlind" Subject: Re: your mail Date: 04 May 1995 20:56:21 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 4 May 1995, James Null wrote: > O.K. I'm listening to Snivilisation right now and I'm really confused. Its > really cool for 5 minutes and then it gets way to housey, and I hate house. > Orbital is soooooooo amazing and some of this record shows that, but this > is nothing compared to their first album, Orbital II, or Diversions. I bet > in a little while when I listen to enough I'll like but it will not be the > same. I was so scared to get this album, I waited until now because I > heard it really sucked. What do you think???? > > James > I think Snivilisation is an excellent album! I agree that it takes a little more listening time than the brown album in order to get you addicted, but this is because its music is more complex and contains more experimentation. If you listen to it enough you might find, as I did, that Snivilisation has some pretty brilliant moments. - -Andreas ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Bet Tee Subject: Re: your mail Date: 04 May 1995 23:40:00 -0300 On Thu, 4 May 1995, Mark Rudholm wrote: > > From: ST942572@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (James Null) > > > O.K. I'm listening to Snivilisation right now and I'm really confused. Its > > really cool for 5 minutes and then it gets way to housey, and I hate house. > > Orbital is soooooooo amazing and some of this record shows that, but this > > is nothing compared to their first album, Orbital II, or Diversions. I bet > > in a little while when I listen to enough I'll like but it will not be the > > same. I was so scared to get this album, I waited until now because I I have the same feeling . I'm sure it's a great album, but it just doesn't click with me either, even after having listened to it over and over again over the past half a year, thinking that I was 'missing' something. Almost every song has some small 'part' that I like, but each song as a whole just doesn't do it for me. > to examine what I'm hearing more. But really, the bottom line is > do _you_ like it. What others think is really just academic. I'm > really interested to hear what they're working on now. Same here. Anyone know if it's OrbitalII-like, Sniv-like, or some fresh new style? - -James ====================================================================== James Tee _ // AMIGA Dalhousie University ab795@cfn.cs.dal.ca \X/ Orbital - "Remind" Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada ====================================================================== Homepage: http://www.cfn.cs.dal.ca/~ab795/Profile.html ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Azure Subject: Re: your mail Date: 05 May 1995 13:25:24 +0800 (HKT) On Thu, 4 May 1995, Andreas A. Berlind wrote: > I think Snivilisation is an excellent album! I agree that it takes a little > more listening time than the brown album in order to get you addicted, but > this is because its music is more complex and contains more experimentation. > If you listen to it enough you might find, as I did, that Snivilisation > has some pretty brilliant moments. Snivilisation was the first Orbital album I ever bought, and it's what got me into it.... I loved it from first listen, & it's still my favourite Orbital album (I like the other albums, but they just don't create nearly the same atmosphere for me. Snivilisation also has the distinction of having my favourite song by anyone - Attached Chris _ \ __| | | __| | _) | | / _ ( | _| _| -_) _| \ _` | | ( \ | | _` | | ) \ / ___|\__\___|_| _| _\__,_|_| \___|_| _|_|_\__,_| \ / __ __| Chris Azure galliard@asiaonline.net |__ __ | "I've not lived forever yet" - Chris Azure | _| "I just want to live until I die" - Jah Wobble, Forever |_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Azure Subject: Re: your mail Date: 05 May 1995 13:28:05 +0800 (HKT) On Thu, 4 May 1995, James Bet Tee wrote: > something. Almost every song has some small 'part' that I like, but each > song as a whole just doesn't do it for me. I never see each song on Sniv. as a whole... but a part of the album. I don't know if I could bring myself to listen to any one song without the entire album (except maybe the last two) Chris _ \ __| | | __| | _) | | / _ ( | _| _| -_) _| \ _` | | ( \ | | _` | | ) \ / ___|\__\___|_| _| _\__,_|_| \___|_| _|_|_\__,_| \ / __ __| Chris Azure galliard@asiaonline.net |__ __ | "I've not lived forever yet" - Chris Azure | _| "I just want to live until I die" - Jah Wobble, Forever |_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Colin S Asquith Subject: Shows/songs Date: 05 May 1995 11:17:29 BST > > Hello? Is anybody out there? > Yes, I am. I am new to the list, but I have 2 questions... Does anyone... 1) Have an electronic discography for Orbital? 2) Do they have UK tour plans... except for Gathering of the Tribes? Cheers, Colin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Colin S Asquith Subject: Re: your mail Date: 05 May 1995 12:18:40 BST >> I think Snivilisation is an excellent album! I agree that it takes a little >> more listening time than the brown album in order to get you addicted, but >> this is because its music is more complex and contains more experimentation. >> If you listen to it enough you might find, as I did, that Snivilisation >> has some pretty brilliant moments. > Snivilisation was the first Orbital album I ever bought, and it's what Same here, though I've only heard that and a few singles. Can anyone supply me with info on what the earleier releases are like, someone suggested that the brown album was pretty easy to get into, I found Snivilisation pretty easy to get into, sort of with the knowledge that it would soon open up even more. BTW- does anyone know what the single that Orbital have released with Therapy? is like? Cheers, Colin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Grunnell Subject: Re: Shows/songs Date: 05 May 1995 13:32:50 +0000 (GMT) On Fri, 5 May 1995, Colin S Asquith wrote: > > > > Hello? Is anybody out there? > > > > Yes, I am. I am new to the list, but I have 2 questions... > > Does anyone... > > 1) Have an electronic discography for Orbital? > 2) Do they have UK tour plans... except for Gathering of the Tribes? > > Cheers, > > Colin. > they've already toured and youv'e missed them!!!!! but they were good, I'll have an E please Bob! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Mison Subject: Re: Shows/songs Date: 05 May 1995 14:25:10 GMT > Does anyone... > > 1) Have an electronic discography for Orbital? > 2) Do they have UK tour plans... except for Gathering of the Tribes? > > Colin. > In answer to 1), try these: There's an HTML Orbital discography at: http://www.york.ac.uk/~wjb101/orbital/disc.htm and a text one at: http://rt66.com/ftp/usr2/lazlo/discographies/orbital About 2). I don't think so. There probably won't be any until at least a new single/album. In reply to Paul Moloney, the dance compilation is called "Wasted" and comes out on Monday, 8th May. (If you only want the Orbital track, the single would be cheaper- out a week later). As to what the new stuff sounds like, the track Orbital played over ISDN on Radio 1 at the end of March was good- a sort of restrained jungle rhythm with nice synth lines over the top. (Describing records is not something I'm good at... sorry). Sort of a mix between Are We Here? and Lush. Sort of. (Anyone else who heard this can probably do better than that...) Paul Mison- mison@cardiff.ac.uk- http://www.york.ac.uk/~wjb101/orbital.htm "The moon casts no shadows for us to hide"- One Dove- Breakdown ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lazlo@rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: discography. etc Date: 05 May 1995 08:57:36 -0600 (MDT) http://www.rt66.com/lazlo/Discographies.html has links to my Orbital discog and a bunch of other Orbital stuff on the net. Laz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Zaheer Mamujee" Subject: tribal gathering Date: 05 May 1995 15:06:41 -0400 All of you people who are going to the gathering, have LOTS OF FUN and tell us all about it when you get back? especially the orbital perfomance. maybe they might play some new stuff. oh well! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr. Orange" Subject: anyone need Lush 3? Date: 05 May 1995 14:26:07 -0700 (PDT) I just got another copy of Lush 3. A friend who works at Tower was digging through the stuff they were going to ship to a cutout type wherehouse and he found that and some old Orb CD's (which aren't up for grabs). So here is the info: CD5: 1993 UK (Internal LIECD 7) (Int: 857 237-2) 5:39 Lush 3-1 4:23 Lush 3-2 12:39 Lush 3-3 (underworld) 10:49 Lush 3-4 (warrior drift -- psychick warriors ov gaia) 6:15 Lush 3-5 (c.j. bolland) $6 (includes 1st class shipping, add $1.50 for Priority) Mr Orange - -- "...and not for the first time, it's happening again." Pop Will Eat Itself http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~pberry/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: grabowc@clark.net (Chip Grabow) Subject: Orbital in Kiss of Death Date: 06 May 1995 11:44:54 -0400 did anyone notice the use of Orbital tunes in the new Nic Cage/Sam Jackson film, "Kiss Of Death"? during the strip club scene(s), i could definitely tell it was something from Snivilisation -- maybe Crash and Carry or something from Diversions (Lush 3-3?). What was interesting was that later that day I somehow had "Science Friction" in my head, but wasn't sure how it got there..i hadn't listened to Snivilisation for weeks. I couldn't even figure out it was Orbital til I finally scanned all the disks I thought it was (Aphex twin was my first guess). Finally, i popped on Snivil..as a long shot and discovered what it was.... Though I didn't consciously hear Science Friction during the film, I figure it got into my head because they used it somewhere in the flick. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr. Orange" Subject: Re: Orbital in Kiss of Death Date: 06 May 1995 11:07:41 -0700 (PDT) > did anyone notice the use of Orbital tunes in the new Nic Cage/Sam Jackson > film, "Kiss Of Death"? > > Though I didn't consciously hear Science Friction during the film, I figure > it got into my head because they used it somewhere in the flick. I must have missed it being in awe of N. Cage ;) Actually I noticed the music but I didn't recognize it. Some fan eh? Well in my defense I don't really notice a lot of things unless I see the movie more than once, but it will take a lot more than an Orbitla song to get me to go see that movie again. Mr Orange - -- "...and not for the first time, it's happening again." Pop Will Eat Itself http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~pberry/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ST942572@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (James Samuel Heller Null) Subject: Orbital Playing????????? Date: 06 May 1995 21:25:33 -0400 I just found out about five minutes ago that Orbital is playing in New York tonight (5/6/95). I didn't know anything about it, but my friend informed me that he found it Spin magazine. Can anyone confirm or deny this????? Supposedly the line up is Orbital, the Orb and plastickman. If someone is going, could they look into getting me a tape. I also want to ask if their performance at the Tribal Gathering could also be preserved. I willing to front cash for everything, I can't believe I didn't hear about it. Thanks, James James Samuel Heller Null ST942572@pip.cc.brandeis.edu I. Be Like Your Ancestors Or Be Different. It Doesn't Matter. II. Lay A Million Eggs Or Give Birth To One. III. Wear Gaudy Colors Or Avoid Display. It's All The Same. IV. The Fittest Shall Survive Yet The Unfit May Live. V. We Must Repeat! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: monsterhead Subject: Re: Orbital Playing????????? Date: 06 May 1995 23:43:02 -0400 (EDT) This better be an evil prank. I am not leaving the library until i am done studying but if they are really playing somebody had better post quick where they are because i will jump in a cab. dang! - -k ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris.Hilker" Subject: Kiss of Death Date: 07 May 1995 12:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Yes, that was "Lush 3-2" playing in one bar scene towards the end of the film. One of Little Junior's thugs was tapping his fingers to it. The music in the short scene where Little Junior's jumping up and down (if you've seen it, you know the scene) was Hardfloor's acid classic "Acperience 1." C. - -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) "Blue ice cubes? How degenerate!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin S Waters Subject: Orbital LIVE!! : Tribal Gathering Date: 07 May 1995 21:41:54 +0000 Having just hitched back home from *the* event so far this year,(UK Tribal Gathering 95 - 6/7 May 1995), here's the lowdown on Orbital's live set and performance. Location : Starship Universe Arena (VERY large Circus Tent!) Came on 00:45 1) Forever 2) Kein Trink Wasser 3) Sad But True (Similar to Remixed version first heard on Radio 1's Interactive night) 4) Impact (The earth is burning) 5) Remind 6) Unknown Track (Extended live version of the first tune of Orbital's Radio Interactive night set) 7) Are We Here? 8) Halcyon 9) Belfast Finish Main set 02:15 Encore 02:17 10) Chime Final Finish 02:26 (The listing is what I remember about the set, I wasn't taking notes, so I might have made a mistake over the order, but I think the songs are correct) Comments This is the fifth time I've seen Orbital live, and the set used today is the same basic set that was debuted at last year's Glastonbury, and virtually identical to the set that was used during last Autumn's (Fall) UK tour. Tracks 1-5 were segued together as usual , then a pause for Track 6. As I said above , this track was debuted on the Radio 1 Interactive night (26/3/95), except there were several more phases to it today (this also being the first time the track has been played before a live audience). Also track 3 used the John Major (UK's Prime Minister for you Stateside) speech sample about New Age Traveller's and was generally similar to the remixed version as heard on Radio 1's night. The rest of the set was performed with breaks between the tracks - Track 8 (Halcyon) including the superb Belinda Carlisle sample breakdown (this will be familiar to those who saw last year's UK tour). There were a couple a failed starts for Chime- I think Paul was playing around by this stage. Personal View As superb as always...but I'm a bit disappointed that there was no other new material. This weeks NME magazine mentions that there should be a fourth album out later this year (September?), so I guess they're still developing stuff. The set they played wasn't really a very dancey set... the crowd was only really going wild during Impact/Remind and Chime, this being the usual case. Having seen Orbital live for the first time at the one off gig at Oscillate in Birmingham UK back in June 93,(shortly after the release of the 'Brown' album), I'm still a bit disappointed by the current live set. The Oscillate set in my opinion still remains as the best set, gig, I've heard...ever.!! The size of the crowd that saw Orbital last night was about 4--5000 (very approx guess). Overall there were 20000 tickets available for the Gathering and from what I saw it looked pretty much sold out. If anyone has a tape of the Oscillate gig mentioned above (since according to the discography there is one floating around somewhere), or any other live tapes please contact me and I might be able to reciprocate with some of the stuff I have. Cheers Martin Waters Email : martin@blueboyz.demon.co.uk - -----6/7 May 1995 Tribal Gathering : Were You There?------ Halcyon+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kelly Thomas Money Subject: Re: Orbital LIVE!! : Tribal Gathering Date: 07 May 1995 22:38:02 -0500 (CDT) On Sun, 7 May 1995, Martin S Waters wrote: > > The rest of the set was performed with breaks between the tracks - > Track 8 (Halcyon) including the superb Belinda Carlisle sample > Martin Waters Email : martin@blueboyz.demon.co.uk > Isn't the sample you are refering to from Kirsty of Opus III, from the song "Its a Fine Day"? If you look at your Radiccio E.P., it states this clearly. Alas, some of us will never see the extravaganza which is an Orbital concert, they just won't come near the NHLless Winnipeg. 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As for which is the Brown album...it is the BROWN album (which you already have....Orbital II. Don't feel bad, my CD came packaged backwards too. When I bought it the cover wasn't brown!) My opinion on the first CD is that it isn't very....well good, quite frankly. After buying Sniv., loving it...., buying Brown and not believing my ears!, Green is just a little too flat. Quite honestly I don't see what all the fuss about Chime is. Dave Here's to better and more frequent Tragically Hip concerts. Those Canadians of the electronic variety should detect my sarcasm. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Mackay Ross Subject: Tribal Gathering tapes. Date: 08 May 1995 02:43:30 -0500 Can anyone provide a decent quality bootleg of the Orbital concert on Saturday/Sunday?? Reviews/descriptions of the event are greeatly appreciated by the unwashed masses on this side of the ocean. As well, if anybody has copies of other artisits from this event (Prodigy, Plastikman, etc.) I'd appreciate hearing from you! Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas A. Berlind" Subject: Re: Albums Date: 08 May 1995 04:51:04 -0400 (EDT) On Mon, 8 May 1995 AlisonCC@aol.com wrote: > Hi there. > I'd like to know if Orbital did in fact play in New York on May 6th, > because if so, I will be more depressed than ever thought humanly possible > for missing it...... It seems unlikely that they played in NY on May 6th, since that is the day they played at the tribal gathering in the UK. > Also, I'm a fairly recent Orbital fan (one year, about.) I have Orbital 2, > Diversions, and Snivilization, all of which are brilliant. Could you give me > your opinions on the first album and Halcyon (which I can't seem to track > down anywhere)? Also, which one is the "brown" album? The first album (yellow) is very good, although I don't think it's as good as Orbital's other stuff. It has many good tracks on it, but isn't quite as complete a work as their second album (which is the "brown" album) or Snivilisation. The "Brown" album is excellent - Orbital's best for many people. Personally, I like Snivilisation just as much. "Halcyon" is a SUPER track! One version is on the "Brown" album: Halcyon +on +on I have the plain Halcyon version on the POSITIVA Ambient collection. They're both excellent! - -Andreas ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr. Orange" Subject: Albums Date: 08 May 1995 09:06:26 -0700 (PDT) > Also, I'm a fairly recent Orbital fan (one year, about.) I have Orbital 2, > Diversions, and Snivilization, all of which are brilliant. Could you give me > your opinions on the first album and Halcyon (which I can't seem to track > down anywhere)? Also, which one is the "brown" album? Well I can help you out with halcyon (at least the domestic version [us that is]). CDnow! has both Halcyon and Are We Here? telnet cdnow.com and just follow the instructions from there on. But I did notice you were on AOL, and the last time I checked they didn't have telnet capability, so I will dig up there phone number and get that out as well... better yet just email manager@cdnow.com Mr Orange - -- "...and not for the first time, it's happening again." Pop Will Eat Itself http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~pberry/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris.Hilker" Subject: Re: Albums Date: 08 May 1995 11:46:33 -0700 (PDT) >"Halcyon" is a SUPER track! One version is on the "Brown" album: Halcyon >+on +on I have the plain Halcyon version on the POSITIVA Ambient >collection. They're both excellent! The version of "Halcyon" on 'Positiva Ambient' is an evil evil edit of a track that it should be a capital crime to edit. The original is 11:10. C. - -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) "Blue ice cubes? How degenerate!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Yankovich Subject: Chime Date: 08 May 1995 13:42:22 -0500 >Quite honestly I don't see what all the fuss >about Chime is. I, personally, enjoy Chime for it's simple beauty. The works on Sniv are incredible, perhaps even mindbending in their complexity, whereas Chime is simple, understandable, almost gleefully childlike in composure. - -jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris.Hilker" Subject: Re: Orbital LIVE!! : Tribal Gathering Date: 08 May 1995 11:39:21 -0700 (PDT) >...> The rest of the set was performed with breaks between the tracks - >...> Track 8 (Halcyon) including the superb Belinda Carlisle sample > >...Isn't the sample you are refering to from Kirsty of Opus III, from the song >..."Its a Fine Day"? If you look at your Radiccio E.P., it states this clearly. > >I think Martin is right. They played that sample at the Thanksgiving show in L.A. Has this version been released or is it just a concert treat? It hasn't been released, and the Hartnolls have been quoted as saying that it never will be, for obvious legal reasons. C. - -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) "Blue ice cubes? How degenerate!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.C. Timmins" Subject: Re: Orbital LIVE!! : Tribal Gathering Date: 08 May 1995 15:40:50 +0100 (BST) > > > > Isn't the sample you are refering to from Kirsty of Opus III, from the song > "Its a Fine Day"? If you look at your Radiccio E.P., it states this clearly. > > Alas, some of us will never see the extravaganza which is an Orbital > concert, they just won't come near the NHLless Winnipeg. > > Vector Audax > ummoney@cc.umanitoba.ca > > You're quite right, BUT unfortunatly you've been unable to see Orbital live and haven't heard the cheeky brothers mid way thru' Halcyon n' on etc, cut straight into Belinda Carlisle's " Heaven is a place on earth", and then slowly mix it into Halcyon!!!!! Wicked to hear, try and get a bootleg or something, there are a few from their last tour!!!! Hope everyone enjoyed Tribal!!!! and have calmed down by now!! Also whoever reviewed Orbital ( the starting point to this disscusion, sorry mate I've forgotton your name!! ), having seen them last October, I would agree with what you said, I think it's because Snivalisation, unlike the brown, and possibly the green, has no solid bass beat throughout, I'm not saying I don't like it!! I do, better than the brown, but it's not as danceable!!!!! All the best!!!! Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Robbs Subject: Re: Tribal Gathering tapes. Date: 08 May 1995 16:55:07 -0400 On Mon, 8 May 1995, David Mackay Ross wrote: > Can anyone provide a decent quality bootleg of the Orbital concert on > Saturday/Sunday?? Reviews/descriptions of the event are greeatly appreciated > by the unwashed masses on this side of the ocean. > > > As well, if anybody has copies of other artisits from this event (Prodigy, > Plastikman, etc.) I'd appreciate hearing from you! As would I! Please post any info to the list so it benefits us all. Thanks in advance ... Tom ====================================================================== Tom Robbs trobbs@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca 1B Math - Computer Science University of Waterloo http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~trobbs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin S Waters Subject: RE: Orbital LIVE!! : Tribal Gathering Date: 08 May 1995 18:21:08 +0000 > ...> The rest of the set was performed with breaks between the tracks - > ...> Track 8 (Halcyon) including the superb Belinda Carlisle sample > ...> Martin Waters Email : martin@blueboyz.demon.co.uk > > ...Isn't the sample you are refering to from Kirsty of Opus III, from the song > ..."Its a Fine Day"? If you look at your Radiccio E.P., it states this clearly. > > I think Martin is right. They played that sample at the Thanksgiving show in L.A. Has this version been released or is it just a concert treat? > > Ryan > ryanw@microsoft.com Unfortunately Ryan, this version of Halcyon is just a concert treat, it has never been released. Ahyhow the sample used is Belinda Carlisle's 'Heaven is a place on earth'. It's used by gently fading Halcyon down about two thirds of the way through the track and then all of a sudden, kicking in with the intro to 'Heaven is a place on earth'. The first four lines are sung and then halcyon is mixed back in, while those 4 lines are looped over the top.... backwards!!! It has to be said that this is pure Orbital brilliance and has to be heard to be believed! Also regrettably this has never been done on a live broadcast either so I can't send anyone a tape. Cheers Martin Waters Email : martin@blueboyz.demon.co.uk - -----6/7 May 1995 Tribal Gathering : Were You There?------ Halcyon+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ST942572@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (James Samuel Heller Null) Subject: Albums Date: 08 May 1995 18:40:31 -0400 The crap-apple, or green, or yellow, or whatever, the first Orbital album remains in my opinion as the core of Orbital. Belfast, Desert Storm, Choicethe Moebius, and the entire album are still all of my favorites. Sniv is growing on my, but I agree its complexity retains a distinctive style. The green album was its own distinctiveness in the complexity and simplicity within the sounds. It really defined orbital's sound and is proof that orbital is amazing. Diversions is great as is Orbital II, but at least for me, I have a special place in my heart and ears for their first effort. If anybody can get a bootleg of the Tribal Gathering I would be interested in buying it. Thanks Alot, James James Samuel Heller Null ST942572@pip.cc.brandeis.edu I. Be Like Your Ancestors Or Be Different. It Doesn't Matter. II. Lay A Million Eggs Or Give Birth To One. III. Wear Gaudy Colors Or Avoid Display. It's All The Same. IV. The Fittest Shall Survive Yet The Unfit May Live. V. We Must Repeat! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: russo@pointblank.com Subject: greatest hits Date: 09 May 1995 01:18:12 EST Greatst Dance Albums of all time 1. 808 state UTD. State 2. Orbital 2 3. Utah Saints Also in the running, UF Orb, Moby (Move EP), the first prodigy Experience (cheezy now, but you can't tell me you didn't bust it up back in the day), 808 Ex-el, Leftfield (leftism). That's all i can think of right now. Plastikman does not compare, so nobody tell me how good he is. Neither does Polygon window. Or Snivilization, which has great tracks (1-4 and 10) but otherwise is very bad. Overall consistency, UTD state is the best. Comments? MASON wants them. (Russo@pointblank.com) The knicks are the only thing that matters now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Yankovich Subject: Re: Albums Date: 09 May 1995 00:09:18 -0500 > > >Begin forwarded message: > >Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 22:15:56 -0400 >From: AlisonCC@aol.com >To: jovian@lucy.cs.wisc.edu >Subject: Re: Albums > >Hi. I'm a 21 year old female, just about to graduate from Columbia with a BA >in philosophy. I spent my junior year in Cambridge and was introduced to >Orbital while I was there. I used to be a "raver" two years ago (i.e. into >drugs and techno) but I've since calmed down a little. Actually, I can >hardly stand to hear cheesy rave/techno anymore. The only type of music I >listen to from that genre is Orbital, which I really love. So there it is, >in a nutshell. Thanks for your response. > >Alison Are you single? - -jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: martin Subject: Re: 'Linda in halcyon Date: 09 May 1995 09:08:31 +0100 (BST) I have a bootleg! It's from the UK Autumn 94 tour, recorded in Leicester, by the sound man straight from the mixing desk. No track listing but very definately Belinda Carlisle in the middle of halcyon. It's on a C90 and is about 70 minutes long (perhaps) I will willingly give anyone a copy of this (as long as all postage is paid for), mail me for info (ie. my smail address) and please wait 28 days for delivery! (more if i get loads of people wanting copies!) cheers martin Hydrogen Dukebox Org Records Sabres Of Paradise |------------------------------------------------------------------| |THE | The finest | http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~esvtk/ | | SPOON | discographies|------------------------------------| | WEB | on the Web(?)| e-mail : esvtk@csv.warwick.ac.uk | |------------------------------------------------------------------| Done Lying Down Gunshot Eskimos & Egypt Sleeper ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: russo@pointblank.com Subject: greatest hits Date: 09 May 1995 01:18:12 EST Greatst Dance Albums of all time 1. 808 state UTD. State 2. Orbital 2 3. Utah Saints Also in the running, UF Orb, Moby (Move EP), the first prodigy Experience (cheezy now, but you can't tell me you didn't bust it up back in the day), 808 Ex-el, Leftfield (leftism). That's all i can think of right now. Great. I'm always intrerested in others opinions of music. It helps me decide on what to buy for myself. Plastikman does not compare, so nobody tell me how good he is. Neither does Polygon window. This statement is crap; not because I'm a fan of Ritchie (I'm not particularly) but because it tells us nothing. If something is not your cup of tea, fine. Don't slag something without at least being objective with your comments. I'm not sure that anyone is interested in a laundry list of "things that you don't like". As well, if you do give something a bad review you ARE opening the topic for debate. There are many people on this list, ambient and IDM who will tell you how good Mr Hawtin is. Or Snivilization, which has great tracks (1-4 and 10) but otherwise is very bad. Again, see above. Overall consistency, UTD state is the best. Comments? MASON wants them. (Russo@pointblank.com) The knicks are the only thing that matters now. <---- End Included Message ----> Dave "right now, gum would be perfection." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Mackay Ross Subject: Bootlegs Date: 09 May 1995 03:38:34 -0500 In addition to the Tribal Gathering show, I'm interested in getting copies of past live performances. Can anyone help me? Still Aurally Celibate, Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Azure Subject: Re: 'Linda in halcyon Date: 09 May 1995 19:38:13 +0800 (HKT) On Tue, 9 May 1995, martin wrote: > I have a bootleg! > It's on a C90 and is about 70 minutes long (perhaps) > I will willingly give anyone a copy of this (as long as all postage is > paid for), mail me for info (ie. my smail address) and please wait 28 > days for delivery! (more if i get loads of people wanting copies!) I'm interested... what's your smail address, and how much would it cost to mail a copy to Hong Kong? If it's too much, or if you can't find out easily, I can give you my sister's address in Scotland to send it to... (how much does it cost to send within the UK?) Thanks, Chris _ \ __| | | __| | _) | | / _ ( | _| _| -_) _| \ _` | | ( \ | | _` | | ) \ / ___|\__\___|_| _| _\__,_|_| \___|_| _|_|_\__,_| \ / __ __| Chris Azure galliard@asiaonline.net |__ __ | "I've not lived forever yet" - Chris Azure | _| "I just want to live until I die" - Jah Wobble, Forever |_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: Chime Date: 09 May 1995 12:20:30 -0400 (EDT) > >Quite honestly I don't see what all the fuss > >about Chime is. > > I, personally, enjoy Chime for it's simple beauty. The works on > Sniv are incredible, perhaps even mindbending in their complexity, whereas > Chime is simple, understandable, almost gleefully childlike in composure. Besides, I don't think "Chime" is as simplistic as it seems on first listening anyway. Check out the complicated interplay between the voicings of the string sample and the descending bassline in the last minute or so of the track. ====================================================================== dave walker, detroit art services marmoset@conch.aa.msen.com phat phorest phires Dave Walker ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott <1SHW1010@IBM.MTSAC.EDU> Subject: Faves. Date: 09 May 1995 10:35:32 PDT MMM, my favorite records of all time are : New Order's Technique Underworld's Dubnobasswithmyheadman Orbital's II, Brown, or whatever the hell you want to call it Leftfield's Leftism Joy Division's Closer I think groups like Orbital, Leftfield, and Underworld have picked up where New Order left off. I wish NO could make records as brilliant as they once did... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AlisonCC@aol.com Subject: Stuff Date: 09 May 1995 14:45:00 -0400 Russo@pointblank.com wrote: >Plastikman does not compare, so nobody tell me how good he is. >Neither does Polygon window. >Or Snivilization, which has great tracks (1-4 and 10) but otherwise is very bad. >Overall consistency, UTD state is the best. Although I agree that UTD is a great album (unlike Gorgeous, which has a couple of catchy tracks but is mostly shit), I have to say that I very much disagree with your opinion of Sniv. It's a brilliant album, and I can't believe that you don't absolutely ADORE "Are We Here!" I will admit that the first time I heard it, I wasn't all that thrilled, but after a few more listens I fell in love. How could Orbital ever put out an album that wasn't pure genius? Maybe I have blind faith.... Also, to Jon Yankovitch: Thanks for forwarding my message to the whole group! What a little shit.... I sent that to you because you asked, not because I wanted to broadcast my little autobiography to everyone on the list. And yes, I am single, but that's of no consequence to you. What are you LIKE? I hope you weren't insinuating that you thought you could begin a little cyber-romance. Try meeting real people! (Sorry if I sound harsh) - -Alison ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Cerman Subject: Re: Chime Date: 09 May 1995 13:23:10 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 9 May 1995, Dave Walker wrote: > > >Quite honestly I don't see what all the fuss > > >about Chime is. > > > > I, personally, enjoy Chime for it's simple beauty. The works on > > Sniv are incredible, perhaps even mindbending in their complexity, whereas > > Chime is simple, understandable, almost gleefully childlike in composure. > > Besides, I don't think "Chime" is as simplistic as it seems on first > listening anyway. Check out the complicated interplay between the > voicings of the string sample and the descending bassline in the last > minute or so of the track. I have Chime on the green album and Halcyon, but I'm looking for a real fast mix of it I heard once. Does anyone know what this is, and where I can get it? Thanks. Dan Cerman decerman@ouray.cudenver.edu http://www.cudenver.edu/~decerman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris.Hilker" Subject: Re: Chime Date: 09 May 1995 13:57:58 -0700 (PDT) >I have Chime on the green album and Halcyon, but I'm looking for a real >fast mix of it I heard once. Does anyone know what this is, and where I >can get it? Thanks. You can get it by pitching your vinyl copy up to +8, I'll bet. C. - -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) "Blue ice cubes? How degenerate!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Yankovich Subject: Re: Albums Date: 09 May 1995 18:08:41 -0500 I would like to apologize to the list for missposting to orbital@xmission. I misunderstood the situation and as a result invaded the privacy of a user. I realize that this apology is simply a greater waste of bandwidth, but because of the nature of the post I think it is valid. If the list members are still extremely displeased with my conduct, I will understand if I am removed from the list. However, I do ask your collective forgiveness, and in the future I will be more caution when replying to messages. - -jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ambient@netcom.com (Joe Rice) Subject: Re: Chime Date: 09 May 1995 16:51 PDT >>I have Chime on the green album and Halcyon, but I'm looking for a real >>fast mix of it I heard once. Does anyone know what this is, and where I >>can get it? Thanks. > Maybe you're thinking of the Joey Beltram mix on Mutations or the US 12". Joe (:Joe Rice:_____________:tic-tac@ultima.org:_____________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ST942572@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (James Samuel Heller Null) Subject: Re: Chime Date: 09 May 1995 23:30:04 -0400 There are also a few house versions of chime that I have heard. I don't know if your into to that (I'm certainly not) but they are out there. Chime is such a beautiful piece, alittle over played but certainly up there. - -James........ James Samuel Heller Null ST942572@pip.cc.brandeis.edu I. Be Like Your Ancestors Or Be Different. It Doesn't Matter. II. Lay A Million Eggs Or Give Birth To One. III. Wear Gaudy Colors Or Avoid Display. It's All The Same. IV. The Fittest Shall Survive Yet The Unfit May Live. V. We Must Repeat! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Azure Subject: Re: Albums Date: 10 May 1995 12:37:59 +0800 (HKT) On Mon, 8 May 1995, David Mackay Ross wrote: > My opinion on the first CD is that it isn't very....well good, quite frankly. > After buying Sniv., loving it...., buying Brown and not believing my ears!, > Green is just a little too flat. Quite honestly I don't see what all the fuss > about Chime is. I know what you mean about Green being a little too flat. It's got some good stuff on it, but I just can't get into it the way I get into the others. Chime, to me, was just one of the songs that was "there"... it never really stuck out for me.... Desert Storm, Midnight, and Belfast are the songs that make Green worth it, IMO (Desert Storm's another favourite of mine) Which reminds me, I have two completely different copies of Green, with completely different song orders (one starts with belfast, the other ends with it, two different mixes of Speed Freak, and one of them has Chime & Midnight listed as Live) Also only one has a song called High Rise, and only the other has one called Satan.... which is the "real" line-up? Chris _ \ __| | | __| | _) | | / _ ( | _| _| -_) _| \ _` | | ( \ | | _` | | ) \ / ___|\__\___|_| _| _\__,_|_| \___|_| _|_|_\__,_| \ / __ __| Chris Azure galliard@asiaonline.net |__ __ | "I've not lived forever yet" - Chris Azure | _| "I just want to live until I die" - Jah Wobble, Forever |_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 091667544@UCIS.VILL.EDU Subject: justification of my choices Date: 10 May 1995 00:59 EST Ok, some good feedback, but I believe that the Orbital has fried some of your brains in the sense of rating albums objectively. There is not one of you that can seriously say that when you first heard Sniv. you liked it as much as 2. It really doesn't even compare. Tracks 1,3,and 10 are great. that's it. It is not genius, but an example of a record company pressuring a group into putting out stuff before they are ready. (ex. Quality Seconds-WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?) For the guy (sorry, i forgot your name) who is on Plasikman's tip, easwe off the acid. It's Ok, but it's really not in the "all time great" category. UD To Alison, it is obvious that Orbital has taken over your music catalog for the time being and they can do know wrong. It's good to know that you have a backround in this music, old raves, etc. Im also from NY and probably ran into you at these raves. (Long Island.)Westbury,. Anyway, Im not going to kick it to you like the other dude, but UTD State is WAY ahead of it's time (remember it was 1990) with songs like pacific and cubic. It has a 70's flare, as well as complete foreshadowing of the future of the music. The Utah Saints are not a cheezy band. Those two dudes rock some of the best crap. That album has some brilliant tracks, you just have to get beyond "something good." They have remixed many of the songs too, which are also amazing. I would agree with whoever said that 808 states recent stuff has sucked. It really has. Even the latest single, Bombadin. Recently, there really hasn't been much to praise, so bust out the old shit for a while. Has anybody read the inserts on Moby's "everything is wrong" cd? Holy shit, what is his problem? To all-----Peace cause the knicks won tonight. LATER> Mason ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Yankovich Subject: Re: justification of my choices Date: 10 May 1995 00:46:44 -0500 >(ex. Quality Seconds-WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?) Ok, I'll give you that. Quality Seconds is a waste of media. >The Utah Saints are not a cheezy band. Those two dudes rock some of the best >crap. That album has some brilliant tracks, you just have to get beyond >"something good." I got rather bored with a good lot of it, but some of it did carry my interest for a couple weeks. Unique, but not all that incredible. I get a better feeling of interest from something like Artificial Intelligence II. >They have remixed many of the songs too, which are also amazing. I'd like to hear some of their more texturally interesting remix works >Has anybody read the inserts on Moby's "everything is wrong" cd? Holy shit, >what is his problem? Christianity. - -jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Yankovich Subject: [none] Date: 10 May 1995 00:52:21 -0500 > >Jon: > For penance, I think you ought to have to listen to Snivilization >10 more times and then try to explain to me why it's not a piece of crap ;) >Later... > Paul Ruel I'm still bothered that I fucked that up. Anyway, I believe all is forgiven, so, on with the argum- err- debate. Case in point of Sniv's niceness: Track 1, after the voices build up in the beginning and the track breaks down into a slow melody. Text can't describe the sound, but it's transitions like that which are so beautiful that cause me to dig snvilization with all my heart. What is the most interesting to me is how sniv uses very different synth patches (samples? I dunno.) from their previous albums. The sounds feel more organic yet more processed, and I love it. Love love love it. It's a shame I don't pay as much attention to the "to:" field as I do to my Orbital. - -jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: Re: justification of my choices Date: 10 May 1995 09:20:13 -0400 (EDT) > Ok, some good feedback, but I believe that the Orbital has fried some > of your brains in the sense of rating albums objectively. > There is not one of you that can seriously say that when you first heard > Sniv. you liked it as much as 2. It really doesn't even compare. See, this is why there is chocolate and vanilla. Not everyone feels the same way about everything, and for one person to say "This is better than that, and you can't possibly think otherwise" is patently absurd. I've liked _Snivilisation_ more than any other Orbital release (except *maybe* the US "Halcyon" CD-single) since I bought it, but I can see where other people might like _Orbital_(Brown)_ more. It doesn't bother me that there are other opinions out there. > Tracks 1,3,and 10 are great. that's it. It is not genius, but an example > of a record company pressuring a group into putting out stuff before they > are ready. (ex. Quality Seconds-WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?) Comic relief? I don't know, but it made me jump through the ceiling after listening to the previous track, it's short enough that it doesn't grate on you, and it's reasonably entertaining in a Ministry sort of way. And I hardly think Internal pressures Orbital to put out anything, they're by far the most visible act on the label. When I met Phil & Paul they seemed genuinely proud of the record, and as far as I am concerned, they ought to be. > Has anybody read the inserts on Moby's "everything is wrong" cd? Holy shit, > what is his problem? If you want to really know, read the interviews with him in the last Rolling Stone (Tom Petty on the cover) and the current Spin (I forget who's on the cover). He's been talking like that for years. By the way, your choices are your choices. You don't have to "justify" them at all. We all accept them as your opinion. What you have to justify is your opposition to other points of view. It is very counterproductive. - Adam J Weitzman Individual, Inc. weitzman@individual.com "All I ask of myself is that I hold together." - Ned's Atomic Dustbin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ST942572@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (James Samuel Heller Null) Subject: Re: justification of my choices Date: 10 May 1995 09:45:27 -0400 >Ok, some good feedback, but I believe that the Orbital has fried some >of your brains in the sense of rating albums objectively. >There is not one of you that can seriously say that when you first heard >Sniv. you liked it as much as 2. It really doesn't even compare. >Tracks 1,3,and 10 are great. that's it. It is not genius, but an example >of a record company pressuring a group into putting out stuff before they >are ready. (ex. Quality Seconds-WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?) > >For the guy (sorry, i forgot your name) who is on Plasikman's tip, easwe >off the acid. It's Ok, but it's really not in the "all time great" >category. UD >To Alison, it is obvious that Orbital has taken over your music catalog for >the time being and they can do know wrong. It's good to know that you >have a backround in this music, old raves, etc. Im also from NY and >probably ran into you at these raves. (Long Island.)Westbury,. >Anyway, Im not going to kick it to you like the other dude, but UTD >State is WAY ahead of it's time (remember it was 1990) with songs like >pacific and cubic. It has a 70's flare, as well as complete foreshadowing >of the future of the music. >The Utah Saints are not a cheezy band. Those two dudes rock some of the best >crap. That album has some brilliant tracks, you just have to get beyond >"something good." They have remixed many of the songs too, which are also >amazing. I would agree with whoever said that 808 >states recent stuff has sucked. It really has. Even the latest single, >Bombadin. Recently, there really hasn't been much to praise, so >bust out the old shit for a while. >Has anybody read the inserts on Moby's "everything is wrong" cd? Holy shit, >what is his problem? >To all-----Peace cause the knicks won tonight. >LATER> >Mason Right on man!!! Everything that you said (except for that stuff about plastikman) is totally right on. A lot of people think plastikman is overated but I still think that Richie is brillant, and I'm straight-edge. Sniv didn't as an album grab me at all the first time I heard it. I'm from the city so I propably ran into both of you sometime....... James James Samuel Heller Null ST942572@pip.cc.brandeis.edu I. Be Like Your Ancestors Or Be Different. It Doesn't Matter. II. Lay A Million Eggs Or Give Birth To One. III. Wear Gaudy Colors Or Avoid Display. It's All The Same. IV. The Fittest Shall Survive Yet The Unfit May Live. V. We Must Repeat! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ST942572@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (James Samuel Heller Null) Subject: Re: your mail Date: 10 May 1995 09:55:19 -0400 >Hi.... thanks for the reply > >On Sun, 7 May 1995, James Samuel Heller Null wrote: > >> To be honest it really is begining to grow on me. I really like the >> elongated attached version that is on here. What do I listen to, well Moby >> (his Techno and Ambient CD's are amazing, Cosmic Baby, a whole lot of DEVO, >> Consolidated, Vapourspace, Plastikman, some Aphex Twin, and a little Josh >Yeah, Moby's Ambient's a good one.... I haven't heard any of the others >(but I'll likely check some of them out if I come across them). I haven't >seen a Moby album called Techno though, was that an album name or just >the style? > Yeah its really a great album, its got Move and Drop a Beat, I believe it is Moby: Techno but then again a friend of mine lost it so I can't check. It you can grab the CD singles of Hymn and Hymn alt.quiet.version both of which are killer. >> Wink. What have you got, can you recommend anything? I don't really know >> what your into, me personally I like ambient, trance, a little jungle and >> some hardcore techno. Theres so much out thee right now its so tough to >> hear it all. If you can grab Nebula 9 I would totally do it. One of my >> friends knows him and he says its amazing. >You're most likely luckier than I in this respect as to where you live. >Over here, it's sometimes hard to find what you're looking for..... > Yeah totally......its such a pain until you can hone in on a good vinyl shop that was what you need. >At the moment, other than Orbital, I'm listening to Primal Scream >(Screamadelica's a masterpiece, though I like the new one too even though >they've moved more towards rock in this one), Fortran 5, The Orb, FSOL, >Jah Wobble, and (moving towards different gategories) Ofra Haza, Mike >Oldfield, Sisters of Mercy (their Floodland stuff, at least) There's >probably more that I'd list down but I can't think of them right now... Wow, you sound just like a friend of mine. A friend of mine met the Orb, Moby, Aphex, Orbital and I believe Vapourspace (If you live in Denver or Albany you might recognize Top Stories in Music???) he siad everyone but the orb were really cool. I'll check some of the stuff out, although I'm not a big fan of the orb. > >I'm not really into anything specific, just various different styles... >I don't know how much of what I've listed above I can recommend to you, >though the first 5 in my list I'd recommend if you don't already have them. > >Chris > > _ \ __| | | __| | _) | | / _ > ( | _| _| -_) _| \ _` | | ( \ | | _` | | ) > \ / ___|\__\___|_| _| _\__,_|_| \___|_| _|_|_\__,_| \ / >__ __| Chris Azure galliard@asiaonline.net |__ __ > | "I've not lived forever yet" - Chris Azure | > _| "I just want to live until I die" - Jah Wobble, Forever |_ Thanks for the mail, James James Samuel Heller Null ST942572@pip.cc.brandeis.edu I. Be Like Your Ancestors Or Be Different. It Doesn't Matter. II. Lay A Million Eggs Or Give Birth To One. III. Wear Gaudy Colors Or Avoid Display. It's All The Same. IV. The Fittest Shall Survive Yet The Unfit May Live. V. We Must Repeat! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zail@dumahcom.u-net.com (L McCarron) Subject: Re: justification of my choices Date: 10 May 1995 14:39:55 -0000 >Ok, some good feedback, but I believe that the Orbital has fried some >of your brains in the sense of rating albums objectively. Rating albums objectively?*!?!!!! Surely this is impossible as appreciation of music is primarily a subjective thing depending on many things - ie mood, state of mind, what else is going on etc. It also suggests that there is somewhere some sort of definative scale of what is good and what is bad which is plainly a load of crap - I repeat, MUSIC IS A SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE and people will always have different opinions of and feelings towards the same thing so kindly stop all this objectivity bollocks. (Also I doubt if Orbital on their own have fried many brains - I think that is more likely to be down to shite drugs and too many of them....... speaking subjectively of course.....) >There is not one of you that can seriously say that when you first heard >Sniv. you liked it as much as 2. Pardon? Are you telling me what I think now? > It really doesn't even compare. In your subjective opinion....... >are ready. (ex. Quality Seconds-WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?) Ever heard of sarcasm???? (Are we here? Are we unique? - Yes we are all individuals and entitled to our opinions but not to tell other people what their opinions are or should be!!!!!!) Rant over..... Have fun...... Liza ------------------------------------------------- zail@dumahcom.u-net.com "All these things will be lost, in time, like tears in rain..." http://www.u-net.com/~dumahcom/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Mison Subject: Re: Albums Date: 10 May 1995 15:38:59 GMT [previous thread snipped] Sometime, Chris Azure wrote: > I have two completely different copies of Green, with > completely different song orders (one starts with belfast, the other ends > with it, two different mixes of Speed Freak, and one of them has Chime & > Midnight listed as Live) Also only one has a song called High Rise, and > only the other has one called Satan.... which is the "real" line-up? > > Chris The UK release starts with Moebius and ends with Belfast; this is the first version out. This is the one with High Rise. The other one is a US release, I think. (Check the Lazlo discography- the URL came up about a week ago). Paul Mison- mison@cardiff.ac.uk- http://www.york.ac.uk/~wjb101/orbital.htm "The moonlight casts no shadows for us to hide"- One Dove- Breakdown ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lazlo@rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: justification of my choices Date: 10 May 1995 09:16:23 -0600 (MDT) > Ok, some good feedback, but I believe that the Orbital has fried some > of your brains in the sense of rating albums objectively. Free clue: your opinion is not the baseline by which other people's opinions are measured. Laz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.C. Timmins" Subject: If the bass thumps...cool!!!!! Date: 10 May 1995 20:49:54 +0100 (BST) > > >Ok, some good feedback, but I believe that the Orbital has fried some > >of your brains in the sense of rating albums objectively. mmmmm......interesting approach!! >MUSIC IS A SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE Now this is interesting, and quite possibly true. All I can say is if it gets yer going, all well and good!!! A huge bass beat does the trick for me!! Me I tend to rate albums outer 10!! So here goes.......... nah only joking, but there's nothing wrong in saying whats cool n' whats not, so you think browns better, or green hits the spot, all the better if you like all three. I hope this album stuff carries on, makes for good reading and banter!!!!! Cheers.....( p.s Carl Cox is hitting the spot right now for me!!!!) > (Also I doubt if Orbital on their own have fried many brains - I think that > is more likely to be down to shite drugs and too many of them....... > speaking subjectively of course.....) > >I don't think P + P will like that!!!! > > > > > >are ready. (ex. Quality Seconds-WHAT THE HELL IS IT> Quite exciting actually!!!! > All the best and thumbs up!!! jason P.s has anyone been to the sound Factory NY, got Future Sound of New York, mix tape and it's wicked stuff, lovely dance fodder!!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AlisonCC@aol.com Subject: Yes, Orbital rules, but I'm not all that caught up... Date: 10 May 1995 16:45:20 -0400 OK, here's the deal: I do admit to totally loving Orbital for their amazing ability to make synthsized music sound like aural sex (n.p.i.), but I would easily admit if I thought that Snivilization wasn't any good. The first time I heard it, I thought it sucked. Although I do still think that Orbital 2 is the better album, I DO genuinely think that Sniv is a good album (except for Quality Seconds, which are far from quality.) My favorite part of the album is the last five minutes of Are We Here? Alison Goldfrapp's vocals are beautiful..... I feel like I'm on green hilltops in Ireland on ecstasy. Also: Has anyone heard the Orb's brand new album? I stopped buying after UFOrb. I love the older stuff, but sometimes it's too ambient for me. I'm wondering if the new album is any more fast paced. And, out of curiosity, has anyone bought Towa Tei's now album? I heard that it's pretty good but I'm not ready to drop 15 bucks on it..... Thanks, Alison P.S. Jon: You're WAY overreacting to my comment. Of course we don't want to kick you off the list! Just be more careful in the future. But I do appreciate your apologies, even if they are profuse. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael_Green@brown.edu Subject: Re: Orbital Mailing List Digest V1 #6 Date: 10 May 1995 16:51:23 -0400 Greetings all. Being new to this list, I've mostly just been reading. But I wanted to post on two topics that come up often. 1) Other music to go with if you're down with P&P Hartnoll FSOL's accelerator. Some dancy trax, some more ambient. all great listening except "Jumpin' and Pumpin's" sound production is poor. 2) Also, I'll agree that Chime doesn't really do that much for me. Choice and Midnight are far more tasty in my book. -Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccastge@prism.gatech.edu (guy jr) Subject: Re: justification of my choices Date: 10 May 1995 16:51:23 -0400 > Quality seconds were just that... quality seconds. With a hint of sarcasm I think that they wrote that part for a movie, but it never got used. (or maybe it did). It was supposedly for a car chase scene, so whenever I hear this track come on, I start thinking about some cops-n-robbers chase scene. > again. I hated Quality Seconds the first time I heard it, now I kinda > like it (wouldn't listen to it on its own but it works in the album IMO) Yeah, kind of jolts you out of the groove for a minute or so, and sets you up for the final dual punch of Are We Here and Attached. - -- ====================================================================== ccastge@prism.gatech.edu | Want to hear some original songs by me? a.k.a., Guy Elden Jr. | Then visit the Digital Analogue World! ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccastge@prism.gatech.edu (guy jr) Subject: Re: Yes, Orbital rules, but I'm not all that caught up... Date: 10 May 1995 17:00:54 -0400 (EDT) > wondering if the new album is any more fast paced. And, out of curiosity, > has anyone bought Towa Tei's now album? I heard that it's pretty good but > I'm not ready to drop 15 bucks on it..... Fortunately, I found a promo copy in a used cd bin in town for $8.99, so I figured it was worth it for that price. I was not wrong. It's got some acid-jazzy styles in it, but nothing earth shattering. The 11 minute of Technova at the end of the album really works well, as do the mixes on the 12" of the same. The other songs on Future Listening aren't hardcore, or too synthy, or anything really. Kind of something to put on in the background for a nice Sunday afternoon. - -- ====================================================================== ccastge@prism.gatech.edu | Want to hear some original songs by me? a.k.a., Guy Elden Jr. | Then visit the Digital Analogue World! ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Nathan Tolva Subject: Vapourspace Date: 10 May 1995 16:03:37 -0500 (CDT) Perhaps this isn't the right forum for such a question, but I'd really like to know if anyone knows the status of Vapourspace/Mark Gage/Cusp. The only stuff that I've ever seen is the Themes album and its two singles (Grav Arch of 10 and Vista Humana). Where can I find the work that Gage has done under the name of Cusp and does anyone know if a new Vapourspace album is on its way? Thanks. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zail@dumahcom.u-net.com (L McCarron) Subject: Re: justification of my choices Date: 11 May 1995 00:58:22 -0000 >> Quality seconds were just that... quality seconds. With a hint of sarcasm > >I think that they wrote that part for a movie, but it never got used. (or >maybe it did). It was supposedly for a car chase scene, so whenever I hear >this track come on, I start thinking about some cops-n-robbers chase scene. > I think maybe you have got QS confused with Crash and Carry which was actually used in the UK film "Shopping" for a excellent car chase scene.....(Sabres of Paradise's Theme was also written for this film). The film however suffered at the hands of the British film classification board who decided that it was likely to be a "bad influence" on people as it was about ram-raiding (hence the title Crash and Carry I think.....) and car theft etc and loads of police cars got trashed so it became a contentious issue and didn't get release through the major distributors. If you get a chance to see the film (I think it has finally got a video release) I can definatley recommend it. The soundtrack also includes One Dove, Utah Saints, Stereo MC's, Senser, Disposable Heroes and more which I can't remember.... Have fun.... Liza ------------------------------------------------- zail@dumahcom.u-net.com "All these things will be lost, in time, like tears in rain..." http://www.u-net.com/~dumahcom/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Azure Subject: Re: justification of my choices Date: 11 May 1995 02:24:09 +0800 (HKT) On Wed, 10 May 1995 091667544@UCIS.VILL.EDU wrote: > There is not one of you that can seriously say that when you first heard > Sniv. you liked it as much as 2. It really doesn't even compare. I can seriously say that the first time I heard Sniv., I liked it more than I did 2 the first time I heard it. And I still like it more. > Tracks 1,3,and 10 are great. that's it. It is not genius, but an example > of a record company pressuring a group into putting out stuff before they > are ready. (ex. Quality Seconds-WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?) Quality seconds were just that... quality seconds. With a hint of sarcasm I think. It sort of snaps you out of the sequence of things for a few seconds, which I think it's supposed to do, then you get shoved back in again. I hated Quality Seconds the first time I heard it, now I kinda like it (wouldn't listen to it on its own but it works in the album IMO) I personally think Sniv is genius, but if you don't, then that's fine with me, you don't have to.... If you like 2 more than Sniv, then fine, but don't criticize those of us who think differently just because we think differently. Chris _ \ __| | | __| | _) | | / _ ( | _| _| -_) _| \ _` | | ( \ | | _` | | ) \ / ___|\__\___|_| _| _\__,_|_| \___|_| _|_|_\__,_| \ / __ __| Chris Azure galliard@asiaonline.net |__ __ | "I've not lived forever yet" - Chris Azure | _| "I just want to live until I die" - Jah Wobble, Forever |_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kirsten Miller Subject: new to this Date: 10 May 1995 20:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Apparently, you can see me, but I still can't quite see all of you. If I've broadcast a silly(?) request recently, or worse still, if this itself proves silly, my apologies. Many thanks to those who have introduced themselves. I am glad this group exists. It is a lonely thing, to live in a place, where no one else has even heard of Orbital, much less heard Orbital. Happy me, attended a memorable experience last October, down L-town, U.K. way--Any new releases/events expected (so I'll know it's time to go bother my local rec-shop man for mail-order)? >:->kirsten<-:< ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris.Hilker" Subject: Re: justification of my choices Date: 10 May 1995 21:51:41 -0700 (PDT) >Quality seconds were just that... quality seconds. With a hint of sarcasm >I think. More than likely, since one of the definitions of "second" is "an inferior article of merchandise." C. - -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) "Blue ice cubes? How degenerate!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael_Green@brown.edu Subject: Re: Plastikman, sniv & new orb Date: 11 May 1995 01:43:18 -0400 Keeping in mind that this is an orbital digest . . . Someone asked about new orb saying UFOrb was too ambient. Terranum is even more so. This 1st two songs are excellent and slug dub has its moments, but overall. . . And as far as Plastikman goes. Musik is just a bit boring. Same TR808 sounds in every track, never really gets going. I think Forever and Sad but true are brilliant, but overall Sniv can't touch Lush, Remind and Halcyon of Brown. Just my two cents. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Garth Giesbrecht Subject: Sound Factory Date: 11 May 1995 12:18:59 -0700 (PDT) > > > > >Ok, some good feedback, but I believe that the Orbital has fried some > > >of your brains in the sense of rating albums objectively. > > mmmmm......interesting approach!! > > >MUSIC IS A SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE > > Now this is interesting, and quite possibly true. All I can say is > if it gets yer going, all well and good!!! A huge bass beat does the > trick for me!! > Me I tend to rate albums outer 10!! So here goes.......... > nah only joking, but there's nothing wrong in saying whats cool n' > whats not, so you think browns better, or green hits the spot, > all the better if you like all three. I hope this album stuff > carries on, makes for good reading and banter!!!!! > Cheers.....( p.s Carl Cox is hitting the spot right now for me!!!!) > > > (Also I doubt if Orbital on their own have fried many brains - I > think that > > is more likely to be down to shite drugs and too many of them....... > > speaking subjectively of course.....) > > > >I don't think P + P will like that!!!! > > > > > > > > > > >are ready. (ex. Quality Seconds-WHAT THE HELL IS IT> > > Quite exciting actually!!!! > > > All the best and thumbs up!!! > jason > > P.s has anyone been to the sound Factory NY, got Future Sound of New > York, mix tape and it's wicked stuff, lovely dance fodder!!!!!! > > I was in New York in February for a week to get away from rainy Vancouver and the Saturday I got there was a week after the legendary Sound Factory had closed. Apparently they found out the previous Saturday about halfway through the night that they were being shut down and as a result the crowd stayed dancing until well past 11 am. Junior Vasquez was dancing with the crowd in tears as the last record played. As for the Future Sound of New York, it is good, but I would also suggest another Vasquez mix CD which was recorded at the Sound Factory which has "X", "Get your hands off of my man" and Danny Tenaglia's "Bottom Heavy". I forget the name of the CD, but it is excellent, even if it is a little older. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 091667544@UCIS.VILL.EDU Subject: REACTIONS!!!!! Date: 11 May 1995 16:30 EST For all of the Sensitive retards out there, relax. I'm not trying to change anyones opinions, or say that yours are wrong, I'm saying mine, and you can take that how you like or get the bozak. Anyway..... Let's just end this....Quality Seconds sucks. Someone, (U.E.) wrote me back on my personal e-mail and compared Sniv. with Stravinsky. I practically fell back in my fucking chair laughing so hard, as it was a perfect example of an Orbital fried brain. He said that when "Rite of Spring" came out Stravinsky was persecuted and the crowd rioted and tried to kill him. Well thanks for the history lesson, but if you are truly comparing this with Orbital, I think you should check yourself into a hospital. To MR. Orange...Sorry, don't know them. Sure enough they do go here though, saw their names in the directory. Nice try. To whoever wrote about the Sound Factory. It closed. It is no more. It was in a really strange neighborhood, many apartments around, so I guess the neighbors complained about all the freaks and loud music. That place was the shit though. I also mentioned Moby's inserts. A bunch of the Sensitivos lashed back at me saying, "he's christian...that is why there is vanilla and choc., etc." What the hell are YOU talking about? The inserts are not about chritianity, and I know he's been into that for years. The inserts are about these millions of little facts he's collected, and why Everything is Wrong. It is really too much. You should read it. Overall though, chill out. Opinions are just that.. and these are mine. People are acting like a bunch of bitches. Anyway, the new Orb, from the sound of everyone, what they liked about the "old" orb, you would hate the new one. There is about two beats on it, and they don't even last that long. Not worth buying. I wish he would go back to the UF orb style too. What did people think of Prodigy "music for the jilted generation?" Some good tracks, but I fear this style is fading. Well, once again. PEace! MASON (Bustin out MArket Square tonight)! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris.Hilker" Subject: Re: REACTIONS!!!!! Date: 11 May 1995 14:10:15 -0700 (PDT) >To MR. Orange...Sorry, don't know them. Sure enough they do go here though, >saw their names in the directory. Nice try. >To whoever wrote about the Sound Factory. It closed. It is no more. It >was in a really strange neighborhood, many apartments around, so I guess >the neighbors complained about all the freaks and loud music. >That place was the shit though. >I also mentioned Moby's inserts. A bunch of the Sensitivos lashed back >at me saying, "he's christian...that is why there is vanilla and choc., etc." >What the hell are YOU talking about? The inserts are not about chritianity, >and I know he's been into that for years. The inserts are about these >millions of little facts he's collected, and why Everything is Wrong. >It is really too much. You should read it. >Overall though, chill out. Opinions are just that.. and these are mine. >People are acting like a bunch of bitches. >Anyway, the new Orb, from the sound of everyone, what they liked about the >"old" orb, you would hate the new one. There is about two beats on it, and >they don't even last that long. Not worth buying. >I wish he would go back to the UF orb style too. >What did people think of Prodigy "music for the jilted generation?" >Some good tracks, but I fear this style is fading. Is there a good reason that I'm missing why all this is on the *Orbital* list? C. - -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) "Blue ice cubes? How degenerate!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: Re: REACTIONS!!!!! Date: 11 May 1995 17:56:33 -0400 (EDT) OK, normally, I would take the position of "Maybe if we ignore him, he'll shut up," but I'm going to have to call Mason on this one. (There is an ObOrbital at the bottom, just to keep it "topical".) On Thu, 11 May 1995 091667544@UCIS.VILL.EDU wrote: > For all of the Sensitive retards out there, relax. I'm sorry, but accusing anyone with a differing opinion from yours of having an inferior intellectual capacity to you, is not only mean-spirited, but any objective analysis of the discussion here so far would undoubtedly bear out *very* quickly that this could not possibly be true. > I'm not trying to change anyones opinions, or say that yours are wrong, No, you said that "not one of you could seriously say that when you heard Sniv. you liked it as much as 2," and I (and many others) seriously can. You also used the term "fried brains" to refer to those of us who hold that opinion. > I'm saying mine, and you can take that how you like or get the bozak. I like your musical opinions just fine. I'm less enamored of your opinion of those of us who disagree with you. > Let's just end this....Quality Seconds sucks. Takes all kinds. *shrug* > I also mentioned Moby's inserts. A bunch of the Sensitivos lashed back > at me saying, "he's christian...that is why there is vanilla and choc., etc." My comment about chocolate and vanilla had nothing to do with Moby. I suggested that you read some recently-published interviews with him, located in mass-market music magazines published in the US, to accurately determine his state of mind, though in retrospect I can see why this suggestion was asking far too much of you. > What the hell are YOU talking about? The inserts are not about chritianity, > and I know he's been into that for years. The inserts are about these > millions of little facts he's collected, and why Everything is Wrong. > It is really too much. You should read it. I did. And he distributed some pamphlets very similar to them during the NASA tour over two years ago, which is what I meant when I said that "he's been talking like that for years," not that he's been Christian for years. I didn't even mention his religious choice. > Overall though, chill out. Opinions are just that.. and these are mine. > People are acting like a bunch of bitches. My problem with you is not that your opinion differs from mine (in fact, I *explicity* said that that the bottom of my last email), but with the manner in which you deem it necessary to denigrate anyone who disagrees with you. I don't appreciate it. ObOrbital: whatever happened to the second single? Is it still coming out? - Adam J Weitzman Individual, Inc. weitzman@individual.com "All I ask of myself is that I hold together." - Ned's Atomic Dustbin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: etlwyaw@etlxdmx.ericsson.se (Westley Andrew (ext 4203)) Subject: Two Questions Date: 12 May 1995 13:29:44 BST Hi, does anyone know if there are any plans to release a live Orbital album? Possibly Glastonbury 94 as extracts from this have appeared on an NME tape & a Melody Maker/Bosnia compilation CD in the UK. Any opinions on the recent Pentatonik album "Anthology" which was compared to Orbital in a number of reviews?. wes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HUGH ODONNELL (Ugrad) Subject: Re: Orbital Mailing List Digest V1 #8 Date: 12 May 1995 13:07:34 +0100 The Vapour Space album blew my mind. There was so much of a mixture on this number, Th Grav of Io is absolutely danceable as well as listenable! If a new one is out, then I hop it lives up to the last.!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jim gourgoutis Subject: Re: Two Questions Date: 12 May 1995 13:07:34 +0100 On Fri, 12 May 1995, Westley Andrew wrote: > Any opinions on the recent Pentatonik album "Anthology" which was > compared to Orbital in a number of reviews?. I absolutely love this album. 2 cd's chock full of marvelous melodies and energetic beats. IMHO, if you like Orbital, you'll like this. One of my fav things about these disks is that there aren't any 'slow' trax on it...they're all pretty upbeat, which is the stuff I like best. :) Latas, Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: henrique.fernandes@canrem.com (Henrique Fernandes) Subject: Re: Vapourspace Date: 12 May 1995 14:04:00 -0400 -=> Quoting Jntolva@artsci.wustl.edu to All <=- Jn> Perhaps this isn't the right forum for such a question, but I'd really Jn> like to know if anyone knows the status of Vapourspace/Mark Gage/Cusp. Jn> The only stuff that I've ever seen is the Themes album and its two Jn> singles (Grav Arch of 10 and Vista Humana). Where can I find the work Jn> that Gage has done under the name of Cusp and does anyone know if a Jn> new Vapourspace album is on its way? You can find some of Cusp's stuff on a Compilation put out by +8 records called Probe Mission U.S.A. It's definitely woth picking up. Hope This Helps Henrique.Fernandes@Canrem.Com HALCYON+ON+ON+ON+ON+ON+ON+ON+ON+ON+ON+ON+ON+ON+ON+ON+ON+ON+ON+ON+ON+ON+ON+ON PS. I have an interview with one of the P. Hartnoll's from their NA tour last fall. I caught up with them in Toronto. If anyone is interested let me know and I type it up if I have time. Please reply to me with mail if interested. ... ebius tagline. This is a moebius tagline. This is a mo ... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris.Hilker" Subject: Re: Cusp Date: 12 May 1995 10:59:56 -0700 (PDT) >In response to John's question about Cusp/Mark Gage, I don't really know much >about where to find his work as of right now (I'm looking into it.) But I >can say that Mark is from Rochester, New York, as am I, and I know him from >having been a part of the Rochester rave scene (small and pitiful as it may >be.) He's a sound guy and makes some fierce music. My ex-boyfriend is >actually a DJ and he always used to go over to Mark's place and fool around >with his equipment. I'll get in touch with him and find out where you can >get a hole of Mark's stuff. More later on that.... "Drone Um Futurisma" by Cusp, which is the basis for "Gravitational Arch of 10," is on the 'Probe Mission USA' comp, as well as the 'New Electronica 1' comp. I believe both of these are available from Ear/Rational. I'm sure the 12" that DUF came from is long out of print. ObOrbital: Gage toured with Orbital on the See the Light tour ObGageQuestion: Can you have your boyfriend find out if Mr Gage is related to the turn-of-the-century neo-feminist Matilda Gage, who was also from upstate New York? Thanks. C. - -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) "Blue ice cubes? How degenerate!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Bet Tee Subject: Re: justification of my choices Date: 12 May 1995 16:38:17 -0300 On Thu, 11 May 1995, Chris.Hilker wrote: and someone else wrote (can't remember who): > >Quality seconds were just that... quality seconds. With a hint of sarcasm > >I think. > > More than likely, since one of the definitions of "second" is "an inferior > article of merchandise." Hmm...all this speculation on the 'meaning' of Quality Seconds. Perhaps the Hartnolls DID mean for a 'hint of sarcasm'. Perhaps Snivilization really was 'a play of sounds and voices at a supreme artistic level'. ...But maybe the Hartnolls made 'Quality Seconds' because they just liked the sound of it, and extending it to a full song would have made it sound worse? All this talk about 'artistic expression' in Snivilization (not that it's all false) reminds me of the ol' English literature classes where you read a poem and the professor goes on and on about the imagery and ingenious symbolism used, without acknowledging the fact that the author may have simply 'wrote' the piece out of pleasure/insipiration and had no intention of implying those symbolism. Does anyone have an actual comments made by the Hartnolls regarding Quality Seconds? - -James ps - Anyone know if this 'Anthology' by Pentatonik is available in North America? It sounds like it'd be good (I'm not into ambient stuff) ====================================================================== James Tee _ // AMIGA Dalhousie University ab795@cfn.cs.dal.ca \X/ Orbital - "Remind" Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Homepage: http://www.cfn.cs.dal.ca/~ab795/Profile.html ====================================================================== W L ERA G GS SV IP H R ER HR BB SO David Cone 1 2 3.60 3 3 0 20.0 20 9 8 2 6 18 ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 091667544@UCIS.VILL.EDU Subject: The j-i-m-m-y. Date: 12 May 1995 15:52 EST Well Mr. Weizman, apparently you are much more open minded than I am, hey man, I'm really sorry. Truly. I wish I could be more like you. The ONLY point of my reviews/comments was to find out what other people thought about albums, not just by Orbital, but others that maybe I haven't heard of. BUT you and others take it as a personal lash on your techno dogma. I'm really glad you "challenged" me. Perhaps you are challenged. This is really challenging on me i know. Think about it, all I did was list what I thought were the best dance albums, and others went crazy... Regardless, MASON p.s. 2 is still better than Sniv. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: Cusp Date: 12 May 1995 17:07:02 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 12 May 1995, Chris.Hilker wrote: > "Drone Um Futurisma" by Cusp, which is the basis for "Gravitational Arch > of 10," is on the 'Probe Mission USA' comp, as well as the 'New Electronica > 1' comp. I believe both of these are available from Ear/Rational. I'm > sure the 12" that DUF came from is long out of print. Actually, I believe it is still in print -- or at least available: I saw a copy in my usual shop a couple of weeks ago. The EP has "Drone Um Futurisma" on one side, and "Venusian Biosphere" on the other, and is on Probe records. > ObOrbital: Gage toured with Orbital on the See the Light tour More ObOrbital: ...and Gage is signed to Internal in the UK. ====================================================================== dave walker, detroit art services _ marmoset@conch.aa.msen.com born freeke Dave Walker ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Mackay Ross Subject: Mr. Mason Date: 13 May 1995 04:26:33 -0500 (CDT) Is there some way that I can set my e-mail reader to avoid this gentleman's comments? It's not that I don't appreciate debate or differences of opinion; it's just that I don't appreciate being called "a retard" for responding to a inflammatory (and unsolicited) posting. This is not recess for nine year olds. Juvenile postings and name-calling are not needed on this mailing list nor any other (I would think). Perhaps it's time to repost the "constitution" of this list including a brief description of things that are unacceptable as discussion. One would think that certain postings over the last few days would be cause for removal of certain parties from this list. I welcome any comments. Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Yankovich Subject: Is Orbital Dead? Date: 13 May 1995 13:40:52 -0500 Well, I gave a closer listen to Brown vs. Sniv and I'm willing to say they're on equal ground, in different genres. Brown is beautiful. Sniv is beautiful. Brown is, for the mostpart, non-stop floor-filling action. Sniv is, for the most part, the same. Both excellent pieces. ...which brings me to ask... (so it's discussion bait) What's next for the brothers? Sniv was such an evolutionary jump (and I'm not saying it's better, but I would argue that it's more "evolved" (people are more evolved than fish but I know people who would argue that the fish are superior, for they are not poisoning their earth). Do Orbital have plans to release more works relatively soon, and do any of you think they'll be any good? - -jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: matrix@netbistro.com (Tim Dressel) Subject: Re: Mr. Mason Date: 13 May 1995 12:32 PDT >Perhaps it's time to repost the "constitution" of this list including a >brief description of things that are unacceptable as discussion. One >would think that certain postings over the last few days would be cause >for removal of certain parties from this list. > >I welcome any comments. > >Dave Here here!! ||| Tim Dressel ||| ||| matrix@netbistro.com ||| tdressel@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca ||| ||| http://gpu.srv.ualberta.ca/~tdressel/me.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris.Hilker" Subject: Re: Is Orbital Dead? Date: 13 May 1995 13:20:54 -0700 (PDT) > What's next for the brothers? Sniv was such an evolutionary jump The Hartnolls claimed prior to Sniv's release that it was a one-off and they'd return to their usual style (and cover art/lack of title) on the next release. Whether that's still the plan, I don't know. C. - -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) "Blue ice cubes? How degenerate!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: climate@primenet.com (Abraham Heward) Subject: Re: Is Orbital Dead? Date: 13 May 1995 19:38:03 -0700 At 01:40 PM 5/13/95 -0500, jovian@cs.wisc.edu wrote: > What's next for the brothers? Sniv was such an evolutionary jump I was just at E3 at the Los Angeles convention center and the video game company Psygnosis is apparently doing a video game in which Orbital and a couple other cool bands are doing the soundtrack. A CD of the soundtrack will be released when the game is, sometime around September. Abe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barbara Lane Subject: Re: Is Orbital Dead? Date: 14 May 1995 12:32:25 +0000 Seemingly, they are releasing a new album in September... Read it in NME. Barbara ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Powell <100321.3505@compuserve.com> Subject: Future Orbital Date: 15 May 1995 07:53:39 EDT I read an interview recently which said that there wasn't much around at the moment which was inspiring them to release new material so I reckon it's doubtful that we'll see a new album before 1996. Just for the record, I think the vast majority of tracks on Snivillisation are better than the tracks on the Brown album (although Naked and the Dead is probably the best track they've ever done), and I'm also hoping that Orbital expand on Quality Seconds to produce the 'Quality Single' which would be soon followed by the 'Quality Album'.......Well it's an idea!! What did everyone think of Prodigy's set at Tribal Gathering by the way, did something go horribly wrong or were they just crap? Also, if anyone gets BPM in their ITV region (late night TV) then watch it this week 'cos it's an hour long report from Tribal Gathering with some of the Orbital live set (plus some of the excellent sets from Dave Angel, Billy Nasty, Carl Cox and Kenny Ken etc....) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris.Hilker" Subject: Re: Future Orbital Date: 15 May 1995 10:34:57 -0700 (PDT) >What did everyone think of Prodigy's set at Tribal Gathering by the way, did >something go horribly wrong or were they just crap? I thought that it didn't have anything to do with Orbital and shouldn't be discussed on this list. This is not rocket science, folks. If it isn't Orbital, *don't bring it up here!* There are LOTS of other places to talk about the Prodigy, Moby, etc etc. C. - -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) "Blue ice cubes? How degenerate!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Garth Giesbrecht Subject: Re: Future Orbital Date: 15 May 1995 12:19:06 -0700 (PDT) On Mon, 15 May 1995, Chris.Hilker wrote: > >What did everyone think of Prodigy's set at Tribal Gathering by the way, did > >something go horribly wrong or were they just crap? > > I thought that it didn't have anything to do with Orbital and shouldn't be > discussed on this list. This is not rocket science, folks. If it isn't > Orbital, *don't bring it up here!* There are LOTS of other places to talk > about the Prodigy, Moby, etc etc. What the hell is your problem, anyway? If people want to talk about other orbital-related bands, they are free to do so. I don't hear anyone else complaining about it. And by the way, didn't you post a message just last week talking about Mark Gage/Cusp/Vapourspace on THE ORBITAL LIST??? How about a little consistency? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kiran Joshi Subject: sorry Date: 15 May 1995 18:32:02 -0500 (CDT) hey there, i hope this doesnt get sent to all mailing list members, but if it does im very sorry... i am leaving school for home for the summer, and will not have frequent net access... so please take me off the list... thank you and sorry!!!!! lates, kiran ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ? ? ? Kiran P. Joshi ? there can be only one true path... ? ? University of Illinois ? ? ? URH 1205 Oglesby ? but to where it leads and how far ? ? 1001 College Court ? ? ? Urbana, Illinois 61801-4711 ? it will take me I cannot claim to ? ? (217) 332-5387 ? ? ? kp-joshi@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu ? know.............................. ? ? ? ? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AlisonCC@aol.com Subject: More info on Cusp Date: 17 May 1995 00:16:17 -0400 Hi there. I spoke to my ex-boyfriend the other day about Mark Gage (who is apparently doing well.) Here is the news: He's just done some fierce breakbeat remixes for FFRR Records on a compilation called "Counterforce." His older work is on both +8 (Plus Eight) and Satellite Records. If you live in New York, you should be able to find everything he's done for Satellite at (surprise!) Satellite Records. If you live outside of NYC, you could probably call them and try to order stuff. Supposedly, Mark is trying to come out with a new album in the near future. Hope this helps whoever was asking about Cusp. XOXO Alison ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul <777@meme.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Orb any Good? Date: 16 May 1995 20:51:32 -1200 Check out their remix of Home (the Sin and Salvation version) on the Pop Will Eat Itself compilation... it's fabulous, a monstrous, skanking, dub-sitar grungefest complete with industrial finale. You'll love it. Jungle mix of Oxbow lakes is good... So what Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Tickle Subject: Orbital for Glastonbury? Date: 18 May 1995 17:10:54 +0100 According to the latest issue of NME, Orbital are tipped to replace Leftfield (who just announced that they would not be playing) at this years Glastonbury festival. Anyone know any more? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris.Hilker" Subject: Re: Orbital for Glastonbury? Date: 18 May 1995 10:50:03 -0700 (PDT) >According to the latest issue of NME, Orbital are tipped to replace >Leftfield (who just announced that they would not be playing) at this >years Glastonbury festival. Anyone know any more? That's strange - as of last month's Select, the word on Leftfield at Glastonbury was that they'd "been asked to appear, but probably won't." C. - -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) "Blue ice cubes? How degenerate!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: A0340528943@VAX2.LUTON.AC.UK Subject: [none] Date: 18 May 1995 18:47:46 BST I don't seem to be getting any mail over the past week. Can you help please Dave xxxx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mcgraicp Subject: Paul Hartnoll DJing at the Big Chill. Date: 22 May 1995 11:15:58 BST Yep, Paul DJed for Oscillate again, this time at The Big Chill. This time, his set consisted entirely of 70s TV theme-tunes, and early electro-crackle nonsense. "I was going to play the Charlie's Angels theme tune," he said later, "but it was a bit too uptempo." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Tickle Subject: Re: Orbital for Glastonbury? Date: 22 May 1995 13:19:49 +0100 I don't know about the rumour (was it in the NME or the MM?) apart > from the fact that there were rumbles a long time ago that Leftfield > were complaining that their name was being used without them being > asked first. > It could be that Paul Hartnoll is DJing like he did at Pheonix last > year and Oscillate last weekend. ********************************** Leftfield cancelled because one of them just had a baby, and were otherwise definitely going to play. I have a bad feeling that Orbital won't be added to the bill (they did say the tribal gathering would be their only UK appearance this year), but we can keep hoping, I suppose.... Isn't one of the Hartnoll brothers organising the dance tent anyway? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: " Jason W. King" Subject: Orbital Diversions for trade Date: 23 May 1995 11:56:57 -0400 (EDT) The subject says it all. I have two copies for some reason. Your copy is in good shape. (No scratches, skips.) Would someone like to trade something for it? jay ______________________________________________________________________________ Jason W. King http://calum.uwaterloo.ca/u/jw2king jw2king@calum.uwaterloo.ca ...what is going on? And why are you being so nice to me? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris.Hilker" Subject: Sad But True in Johnny Mnemonic Date: 26 May 1995 20:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Just saw Johnny Mnemonic, which despite Reeves's terrible acting was worth the price of the matinee. Anyway, "Sad but True" played in one scene. Dunno if it's on the soundtrack album. C. - -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) "Blue ice cubes? How degenerate!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) Subject: Re: Sad But True in Johnny Mnemonic Date: 26 May 1995 22:57:04 -0500 (CDT) > > Just saw Johnny Mnemonic, which despite Reeves's terrible acting was worth > the price of the matinee. Anyway, "Sad but True" played in one scene. Dunno > if it's on the soundtrack album. It is on the soundtrack. If I'm not mistaken, its the version off of album ( although, it may be a slight edit).When I listened to it at the shop it sounded pretty much the same to me. Bye - MC - - Mark B. Conklin (MC) = mbconkli@ilstu.edu = mconklin@mail.ice.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: henrique.fernandes@canrem.com (Henrique Fernandes) Subject: Re: Orbital Diversions fo Date: 29 May 1995 22:21:00 -0400 -=> Quoting to All <=- > The subject says it all. I have two copies for some reason. > Your copy is in good shape. (No scratches, skips.) > Would someone like to trade something for it? What's the track listing on it. By the way I'm in Kitchener. Thanks Henrique.Fernandes@Canrem.Com ... Tag line thievery ... On the next Geraldo! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12