From: mjb@server1.smb.man.ac.uk (Michael Byrne) Subject: Alison Goldfrapp Date: 02 Oct 1995 12:44:12 +0000 >this question might have been asked before but who are the singer(s) who >sing on "are we here" and "sad but true" , what else have they sung >on,besides orbital? Alison Goldfrapp did the vocals on sad but true and are we here. She also did vocals on a couple of tracks on the Tricky album and I think she did the vocals on the Tricky tour supporting PJ Harvey. (She was on TV singing with Tricky on the Mercury award program a week or so ago). I've not heard her do anything else. Does anybody know if she's done anything else of note? I read somewhere that the Hartnolls had known her for a while but didn't know she was a vocalist. Once they found out she sang they got her in their studio and got her to sing. But once they got the vocals it took them a while to work out what to do with them - but I think the end result is very impressive. she's got a great voice IMHO and the Orbital tracks work really well. Bye Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ali M Hanyaloglu Subject: Re: Love brown & diversions, suggest other? Date: 02 Oct 1995 10:44:05 -0500 (EDT) Greetings mortal peons, > > Hello all- > Does anybody have suggestions for stuff in a similiar vein? Not necessarily > orbital-made. I have gotten a small number of compilation CDs and have been > less than impressed by most of the stuff on them. > I could recommend a list of stuff that would crash your account if I sent it to you. But in the mean time, I heard this excellent compilation from the Ministry of Sound gang: "Cajual Relief" was it's name and it is dead bizarre! I've just moved out to Massachusetts from UK and I have to admit "techno" (for want of a better term) is a bit thin and unknown round these parts. Although yesterday I was in Burlington, Vermont, and this shop had loads of Euro/UK techno stuff, most of them UK imports (sorry, but that sounds strange to me!). If you are within that vicinity Jesse, mail me and I'll pass on the address. > Also, any tour info? I have no idea what the boys are up to but would love to > see live. I'm in the northeast usa... God, I would die to see them this side of the pond!! Missed TG you see. Somebody asked who did the vocals on "are we here" etc. Well, what I want to know is which college did the ad used in "Philosophy by Numbers". Work on that one train-spotters! Thanks Ali Hanyaloglu hanyal@acad.umass.edu "God made me funky, Orbital made me dance" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Mccallum Subject: Re: Love brown & diversions, suggest other? Date: 02 Oct 1995 11:29:38 -0700 (PDT) On Sat, 30 Sep 1995, Jesse Lackey wrote: > Does anybody have suggestions for stuff in a similiar vein? Not necessarily > orbital-made. I have gotten a small number of compilation CDs and have been > less than impressed by most of the stuff on them. Once again, I am sure it is old news to many on the list but my suggestion would be Vapourspace's _Themes from Vapourspace_. It was released on FFRR (Orbital's US distributor) about the same time as Orbital's "_Brown_" and I think it is quite smashing. The "Gravitional Arch of 10" single is quite good too, but I would stay away from the "Vista Humana" single. Cheers, David P.S. I bought the Underworld and Sabres remixes of Chemical Brothers and think that they suck. They're uninteresting and gave me a headache even at low volume. After what Underworld has done to Bjork, Orbital, William Orbit and their own material, I had high hopes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Gavini Subject: Re: Orbital Singers Date: 02 Oct 1995 12:05:34 -0700 >this question might have been asked before but who are the singer(s) who >sing on "are we here" and "sad but true" , what else have they sung >on,besides orbital? Allison Goldfrapp also appears on the Tricky CD _Maxinquaye_ Cheers, Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Gavini Subject: Re: Love brown & diversions, suggest other? Date: 02 Oct 1995 12:19:44 -0700 >> Hello all- >> Does anybody have suggestions for stuff in a similiar vein? Not necessarily >> orbital-made. I have gotten a small number of compilation CDs and have been >> less than impressed by most of the stuff on them. >> > >I could recommend a list of stuff that would crash your account if I sent >it to you. But in the mean time, I heard this excellent compilation from >the Ministry of Sound gang: "Cajual Relief" was it's name and it is dead >bizarre! Please post more. I have a couple of William Orbit's cds and the Strange Cargo 3 is kinda "orbitally" I even recall the brothers Hartnoll mentioning that they enjoy his stuff. I would also recommend Banco de Gaia's "Last Train to Lhasa" Cheers, Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Bet Tee Subject: Re: Love brown & diversions, suggest other? Date: 02 Oct 1995 17:38:05 -0300 > >> Hello all- > >> Does anybody have suggestions for stuff in a similiar vein? Not necessarily > >> orbital-made. I have gotten a small number of compilation CDs and have been > >> less than impressed by most of the stuff on them. Someone once mentioned Pentatonik's "Anthology" (a double-CD), so I bought it. It's not bad - it's more ambient than Orbital Brown, but still fast enough not to put you to sleep. - -James ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MarkT@bartley.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Return to the Source Date: 02 Oct 1995 09:24:15 +0100 What was this like? I almost went. What was Alex Patterson like in the chill out area? Last time I saw him DJing it was really darce hard trance with visuals of HGV driving test instruction films (dunno if that was his idea). Anyway, someone told me that it was Carl Cox and Eat Static last weekend, but the flyer I saw didn't mention it. Er, oh I better say something Orbitally I guess now, so here goes: Q) Does _anyone_ know what the lyrics are to Sad but True, Lush etc, what language they're sung in, and what drugs Alison wossername was on at the time to sing like that? 8^) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Pirih Subject: Re: Love brown & diversions, suggest other? Date: 02 Oct 1995 14:55:12 -0700 At 11:29 AM 10/2/95 -0700, David Mccallum wrote: >... Orbital's "_Brown_" ... Isn't the brown album called "Orbital 2", and the first (chartreuse) album called "Orbital"? That's what's written on the CD boxes I have. - --- chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: djw@SIRIUS.COM Subject: similiar vein Date: 03 Oct 1995 03:52:43 -0800 underworlds new single "born slippery" reminds me of some of orbitals brown album(minus slippery track2) also cabaret voltaires"international language" has latent orbital sounds especially the way that the rythyms sneak up on you. (there is also a mondo 2000 article which has orbital interviewing cabaret voltaire and saying what a huge influence they are on them) > Hello all- > Does anybody have suggestions for stuff in a similiar vein? Not necessarily > orbital-made. I have gotten a small number of compilation CDs and have been > less than impressed by most of the stuff on them. david weissberg typography,digital videography and didgeridoo. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: monsterhead Subject: Re: your mail Date: 02 Oct 1995 20:28:17 -0400 (EDT) On Sat, 30 Sep 1995, Chris.Hilker wrote: > > Alison Goldfrapp is a longtime friend of the Hartnolls, and hasn't appeared > on other records (Aside from "Lush 3" and "Impact," of course), to my > knowledge. Actually, she is on Tricky's CD "maxinquae." Style is different from orbital but is good. I think she sings on two of the songs. k ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris.Hilker" Subject: Re: Love brown & diversions, suggest other? Date: 02 Oct 1995 19:01:20 -0700 (PDT) >Isn't the brown album called "Orbital 2", and the first (chartreuse) >album called "Orbital"? That's what's written on the CD boxes I have. A case could be made that the first album is titled 'CD' 'LP' or 'MC' depending on the format. Both of the first two albums are effectively untitled (or self-titled). The US release of the second album has 'Orbital 2' on the spine, but the UK version doesn't - my guess is that FFRR US just called it that for the sake of convenience. C. - -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) "I feel like I'm being electrocuted." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oakley@pointblank.com Subject: other releases to get Date: 03 Oct 1995 00:52:46 +0500 The basic list that all lovers of beat oriented music should have: 1. Leftfield-Leftism 2. Orbital2 3. Chemical Brothers-in dust we trust 4. 808 state-Utd. State (this record got it all started). 5. Prodigy-Music for the gilted generation 6. Aphex Twin-I care because you do 7. Orb-u.f. orb + a remix version of Adventures beyond..... DO NOT GET: Plastikman Cabaret Voltaire Future Sound of London Any Orb after Uf orb Polygon windows-or anything of TVT for that matter Marginal calls: All Moby-some is great some sucks. Move EP is good. New album...OK. Prodigy-experience...This is pure history Utah Saints: about 4 great tracks...rest is weak Hope this helps..hope nobody jumps down my throat. If you do, kiss my ass cause this is my opinion. Beats to the rhyme....... MAson P.s. Where's my Upenn asian friend? A little quiet this year huh punk? Where's my girl allison? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ST942572@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (James Samuel Heller Null) Subject: More Music To Grab Date: 03 Oct 1995 01:41:17 -0400 O.K. all of Orbital is a certain must, and I agree that Moby is a hodge-podge. While his ambient and techno albums have their moments and move is quite good in some parts his new effort is horrible. I also must say that I believe plastikman and his prodigies to be extremely talented. And I really can't stand the prodigy, I don't see what their success stems from. Anyway Aphex is bloddy brillant I personally suggest polygon windows, selected workes of ambient vol II, and I care because you do. Look for Beaumont Hannant and Autecre as well, oh and Nico spins around my room frequently. By the way is anyone going to Sputnik 6 thi weekend??? Well its late and I have a somewhat self-indulgent french composition due for tomorrow, Peace, happiness, and of course duty for the future, James James Samuel Heller Null ST942572@pip.cc.brandeis.edu I. Be Like Your Ancestors Or Be Different. It Doesn't Matter. II. Lay A Million Eggs Or Give Birth To One. III. Wear Gaudy Colors Or Avoid Display. It's All The Same. IV. The Fittest Shall Survive Yet The Unfit May Live. V. We Must Repeat! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hary J Walsh Subject: Re: Love brown & diversions, suggest other? Date: 03 Oct 1995 08:55:19 +0100 >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Pirih writes: Chris> Isn't the brown album called "Orbital 2", and the first Chris> (chartreuse) album called "Orbital"? That's what's written Chris> on the CD boxes I have. But there is more than one version of the 'green' album. So do we call them all the 'green' album? - -- Hary J Walsh / hwalsh@drlove.ilo.dec.com / +353 91 754169 Digital Equipment International. Galway, Ireland. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Allen.Gregory.at.ext05lon@ft.com (Allen Gregory) Subject: Re[2]: Return to the Source Date: 03 Oct 1995 09:38:12 +0100 This is a Mime message, which your current mail reader may not understand. Parts of the message will appear as text. To process the rest, you will have to use a Mime compatible mail reader. Contact your vendor for details. - --IMA.Boundary.812709713 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Eat Static were at Megadog, the previous weekend, though I was too knackered to dance at 4:30am. Also appearing were Innersphere, Banco de Gaia, System 7, Ozric Tentacles, The Aloof, Mad Professor, Spooky etc. see also (for historical interest only now) http://www.almac.co.uk/business_park/spidacom/megadog.htm ______________________________ Reply Separator_______________________________ Subject: Re: Return to the Source Author: MarkT@bartley.demon.co.uk at Internet Date: 02/10/95 09:24 >What was Alex Patterson like in the chill out area? Last time I saw him >DJing it was really darce hard trance with visuals of HGV driving test >instruction films (dunno if that was his idea). >Anyway, someone told me that it was Carl Cox and Eat Static last weekend, >but the flyer I saw didn't mention it. - --IMA.Boundary.812709713 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Received: from inetgate.ft.com by smtpgate.ft.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 0705f210; Mon, 2 Oct 95 22:52:34 +0100 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by inetgate.ft.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id WAA17286 f or ; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 22:54:18 +0100 Received: from xmission.xmission.com(198.60.22.2) by inetgate.ft.com via smap (V1 .3) id sma017284; Mon Oct 2 22:54:09 1995 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA 07716 for orbital-outgng; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:42:49 -0600 Received: from relay-3.mail.demon.net (post.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.72]) by xmissi on.xmission.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA07649 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:42:34 -0600 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MarkT@bartley.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Return to the Source Date: 02 Oct 1995 09:24:15 +0100 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spoon! Subject: Why hasn't anybody mentioned Spooky? Date: 03 Oct 1995 13:05:53 +0100 (BST) Amidst all these postings of Orbitalesque music nobody has mentioned the new stuff by Spooky. Two eps released on Generic Recordings (through A&M) this year, the 2nd one just came out yesterday. The first, the Clank ep sounds very Orbitally and i thouroughly recommend it, I've only listened to the 2nd ep once so can't really comment on it but from what i heard it's mellower than the first ep but still sounding good but maybe less like Orbital (in fact the first ep sounded so Orbital in places it was scarey (or should that be spooky?!?)) martin Hydrogen Dukebox Mo' Wax Org Records Sabres Of Paradise |------------------------------------------------------------------| |THE | The finest | http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~esvtk/ | | SPOON | discographies|------------------------------------| | WEB | on the Web(?)| e-mail : esvtk@csv.warwick.ac.uk | |------------------------------------------------------------------| Done Lying Down Gunshot Eskimos & Egypt Sleeper ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mjb@server1.smb.man.ac.uk (Michael Byrne) Subject: Re: similiar vein Date: 03 Oct 1995 13:04:57 +0000 > Hello all- > Does anybody have suggestions for stuff in a similiar vein? Not necessarily > orbital-made. I have gotten a small number of compilation CDs and have been > less than impressed by most of the stuff on them. Try the first(and until Christmas, only) LFO album Frequencies. Its a bit more bleepy than Orbital (it came out in 91 on WARP) but I rally rate it esp. Tan Ta Ra a nice companion track to Steel Cube Idolatry off the green album. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mjb@server1.smb.man.ac.uk (Michael Byrne) Subject: Re: similiar vein Date: 03 Oct 1995 13:31:50 +0000 > From owner-orbital@xmission.com Tue Oct 3 00:17:02 1995 > From: djw@SIRIUS.COM > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > also cabaret voltaires"international language" has latent orbital sounds > especially the way that the rythyms sneak up on you. > (there is also a mondo 2000 article which has orbital interviewing cabaret > voltaire and saying what a huge influence they are on them) Hi I don't supposed anybody knows if a transcript of this interview is out there on the net anywhere Thanks Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Burns Subject: Re: Love brown & diversions, suggest other? Date: 03 Oct 1995 10:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Do we need to bicker about titles for rather obviously untitled works? whether we call them 'brown', 'chartreuse', Orbital 1 or Orbital 2, I think we'll all get the picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Treacy Subject: Re: Tribal Gathering, Jungle etc. Date: 03 Oct 1995 16:13:40 >Wow, I hope nobody flames you just for saying that! Well, personally I >thought the TG show was right up there with some of the best I've ever seen >by any band. Even better than at the Megadogs. In contrast, though I love >the Drum Club, I thought their set was a bit dull. However, I do admit that >the E was coming on a lot stronger during Orbital. 8-)~ Interesting >contrast. > >>fast, hard and trippy tunes that you could go berserk to, not slow >>plodding stuff that bored me shitless. > >Hey -- did you see Richie Hawtin or Carl Cox DJ? I thought their sets were >just gobsmackingly brilliant. What did you think? > Sorry didn't catch them, or at least if I did I don't remember :-) I actually spent the whole day looking forward to being graced by that God Paul Oakenfold. One of my best experiences ever. I still remember coming out of the tent at 6.15 or whatever generating enough heat to warm a small village and sweating away a pound a minute. Although not Orbital related, Awesome. Philip ====================================================================== Philip Treacy London UK - -- ptreacy@edscw.win-uk.net ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Bancroft Subject: Re: similiar vein Date: 03 Oct 1995 17:10:06 +0100 (BST) On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, Michael Byrne wrote: > > > Hello all- > > Does anybody have suggestions for stuff in a similiar vein? Not necessarily > > orbital-made. I have gotten a small number of compilation CDs and have been > > less than impressed by most of the stuff on them. > > Try the first(and until Christmas, only) LFO album Frequencies. Its a bit more > bleepy than Orbital (it came out in 91 on WARP) but I rally rate it esp. > Tan Ta Ra a nice companion track to Steel Cube Idolatry off the green album. > > Mike I would like to second Mike's response and say that the LFO album is definetley worth getting hold of. These guys are from Sheffield which is very close to where I actually live...anyway u don't want to hear about me :) The album is a mixture of very bleeply stuff, and then some real clever techno, ie/ Tan Ta Ra (excellent!!) I personally still rate the title track to the album , LFO. Other similar sounding artists:- William Orbit - strange cargo 3 (brill!), Black Dog. Cheers. > Mark Bancroft, (PA Sport IT) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Gavini Subject: Re: Why hasn't anybody mentioned Spooky? Date: 03 Oct 1995 09:56:20 -0700 >nobody has mentioned the new stuff by Spooky. >Two eps released on Generic Recordings (through A&M) this year, the 2nd >one just came out yesterday. What are the names of the abovementioned recordings? Cheers, Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markw@tcp.co.uk (Mark Warrington) Subject: Re: other releases to get Date: 03 Oct 1995 20:44:21 +0100 (BST) >The basic list that all lovers of beat oriented music should have: >1. Leftfield-Leftism >2. Orbital2 >3. Chemical Brothers-in dust we trust >4. 808 state-Utd. State (this record got it all started). >5. Prodigy-Music for the gilted generation > >6. Aphex Twin-I care because you do >7. Orb-u.f. orb + a remix version of Adventures beyond..... > >DO NOT GET: >Plastikman >Cabaret Voltaire >Future Sound of London >Any Orb after Uf orb >Polygon windows-or anything of TVT for that matter I find the fact that you have praised the Aphex Twin and slagged off Polygon window a bit odd. After all, they are both the same person! (Richard James), and most releases from him are what I would consider to be 'beat orientated'. Mark Warrington Email:- markw@tcp.co.uk 'I never saw the entire human race as one person, although I did picture the entire universe as one giant marbled cake.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Pirih Subject: Re: Love brown & diversions, suggest other? Date: 03 Oct 1995 17:29:27 -0700 At 10:42 AM 10/3/95 -0400, Joseph Burns wrote: >Do we need to bicker about titles for rather obviously untitled works? >whether we call them 'brown', 'chartreuse', Orbital 1 or Orbital 2, I >think we'll all get the picture Wha'? Bicker? I was just wondering aloud, 's all. "1" and "2" are easier to type than "the green album" and "the brown album." :) - --- chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Parkin Subject: Love brown & diversions, suggest other? Date: 03 Oct 1995 09:44:12 BST Chris Pirih wrote: >Isn't the brown album called "Orbital 2", and the first (chartreuse) >album called "Orbital"? That's what's written on the CD boxes I have. The first two albums are listed as "" (Snivilisation was the first proper album to have a title - there was an interview with the bros. in the NME(?) where they said as much) (and no, I dont count "Diversions" as an album proper) Record shops and normal humans have a problem with this when discussing them, so they are know as either "Orbital" and "Orbital 2", or more commonly as the Green and Brown albums. (I remember talking to a friend in a record shop just before the Brown album came out, and they were moaning about how to index two untitled albums by the same people.) Ric. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oakley@pointblank.com Subject: aphex-vs-polygon Date: 04 Oct 1995 02:00:10 +0500 Ok, I did say Aphex was worth getting, but only that album. (the latest one.) I did say that Polygon windows was weak, as is all TVT. Just listen to them TVT recordings A) suck (as far as quality is concerned. B) Windows has these really annoying sounds, and are completely not BEAT oriented, they are ambient oriented. I think that with this latest effort, James forcused way more on beats. It is nowhere near the standards of Leftfield or Orbital2 Beats, but it is good nonetheless. Lastly, TVT, as far as I can tell, seem to use the same damn sounds over and over in all recordings, and just arrange them in differnet ways and call them different songs. Beats to the rhyme. Mason. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "NICK JAMES UMNEY" Subject: nice sounds Date: 04 Oct 1995 20:47:35 +11EST OK, so Australia may not be known for its prolific output of quality electronic music.....yet, but EVERYONE should ckeck out these releases, all from charming Melbourne: Shaolin Wooden Men (Self Titled), on the Psy Harmonics label Zen Paradox "Eternal Brainwave" (Psy Harmonics) " " "From the Shore of a Distant Land" Third Eye "Dance of Creation" (Psy Harmonics) Black Lung "The Depopulation Bomb" (Iridium) "Dancing to the Sound of the Sun" (Psy Harmonics compilation) as well as anything by Snog or Voiteck. And no, I don't work for Psy Harmonics, I just think that its a truly fantastic label. I hope that you folk in far off lands can get hold of some of these, and if anyopne already has let me know what you think. Nick PS The only place I've found Times Fly in Melbourne its selling for $35!!!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tim Subject: yet more candy for your ears Date: 03 Oct 1995 20:16:02 +0000 try and find any from this lot in the shops,they may satisfy some of the rather larger cravings for melodic type techno stuff - B12 Black dog Biosphere any EARLY future sounds stuff (mental cube et al - FSOL have gone under a million name changes but their first efforts are closer to Orbital than their latest offerings) Hypnotone Cosmic baby I'd give you album names if my mind wasn't a sieve, but you know how it is ... | :-? :-> tim@melodies.demon.co.uk :-! :-) | | be healthy - drink beer and smoke tabs | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: marmoset@mail.msen.com (Dave Walker) Subject: Re: aphex-vs-polygon Date: 04 Oct 1995 09:13:25 -0400 Not only is this entirely irrelevant to Orbital, it's also poorly argued, a ridiculous generalization, and just, um, silly. Stop it. (included [or should that be occluded] text follows:) Mason said: >Ok, I did say Aphex was worth getting, but only that album. (the latest >one.) I did say that Polygon windows was weak, as is all TVT. >Just listen to them >TVT recordings A) suck (as far as quality is concerned. > B) Windows has these really annoying sounds, and are >completely not BEAT oriented, they are ambient oriented. >I think that with this latest effort, James forcused way more on >beats. It is nowhere near the standards of Leftfield or Orbital2 Beats, >but it is good nonetheless. >Lastly, TVT, as far as I can tell, seem to use the same damn sounds >over and over in all recordings, and just arrange them in differnet ways >and call them different songs. - -- dave walker, detroit art services _ marmoset@conch.aa.msen.com born freeke Dave Walker ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Licursi Subject: I need to cancel Please no more mail! Date: 04 Oct 1995 09:10:05 -0400 PLEase cancel me! - -Peter- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "P.G.Drabwell" Subject: Australian sounds and other wonders Date: 04 Oct 1995 14:40:14 BST Other nice sounds apart from Orbital include... Quench - Sequenchial (Australian and quality in one album Nick !) Innersphere - Outer Works Aphex Twin - Donkey Rhubarb EP & I Care Because You Do (album) Strange Cargo - Million Town EP & Hinterland Album Jam & Spoon - Tripomatic Fairytales 2001 & 2002 LSG - Rendezvous In Outer Space Banco De Gaia - Gaya and Last Train To Lhalsa (sp?) Biosphere - Patashnik Felix Da Housecat - Metropolis Thee Album ...and many, many more Pete - racing over 100 metres against a heavily pregnant woman, he'd come in third. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: monsterhead Subject: Re: other releases to get Date: 04 Oct 1995 11:25:00 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, David Mccallum wrote: > > >DO NOT GET: > > >Polygon windows-or anything on TVT for that matter > > I have heard most everything released by Aphex Twin/AFX/ > Polygon Window/Richard James and Polygon Window's _Surfing on Sine Waves_ > is a favorite. I'm glad that TVT/Wax Trax has helped me get a hold > of some of "less commercial" Warp releases. Black Dog's _Bytes_ is on > TVT/Wax Trax/Warp in the US. (_Bytes_ is another I would recommend as > _Orbital2_-esque, btw.) > agree. tvt releases of autechre eps and lps are excellent. artificial intelligence ii with great speedy j song is also good. nice of tvt to release this stuff here so that i don't have to pay import prices for it. ps other suggestion for great stuff is eat static, especially "abduction". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: yhuang0@sas.upenn.edu (Mr. Skippy) Subject: Re: other releases to get Date: 04 Oct 1995 12:19:41 -0400 monsterhead ps other suggestion for great stuff is eat static, especially "abduction". Definitely. Also check out "Epsylon" by them. It's a _GREAT_ track. |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| | Yuwei Huang | listen to -----> 0 r B i T a L | | yhuang0@sas.upenn.edu | "The future is percusssion." | | U.Penn | - John Cage | |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: TVT Date: 04 Oct 1995 11:15:40 -0600 (MDT) > Lastly, TVT, as far as I can tell, seem to use the same damn sounds > over and over in all recordings, and just arrange them in differnet ways > and call them different songs. TVT don't "use sounds" or "arrange them" -- they're a a record label, and most of what they release is licensed (meaning they have absolutely no control over the contents of the albums they release). And if they have a house style, I've never noticed it. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Licursi Subject: Help Date: 04 Oct 1995 13:17:24 -0400 Does anyone know how to cancel this mail list? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cfraser@islandnet.com (Chris Fraser) Subject: Re: aphex-vs-polygon Date: 04 Oct 1995 11:59:06 -0700 At 2:00 PM 10/3/95, oakley@pointblank.com wrote: >TVT recordings A) suck (as far as quality is concerned). examples would be nice. I have most of the TVT released Artificial Intelligence series and have had no need to complain, even on some pretty nice souns systems. > B) Windows has these really annoying sounds, and are >completely not BEAT oriented, they are ambient oriented. Can you make sense please? The Polygon Window album is very beat oriented, almost to the point of being nothing but. >Lastly, TVT, as far as I can tell, seem to use the same damn sounds >over and over in all recordings, and just arrange them in differnet ways >and call them different songs. I dunno where you get your information, but TVT is a label, and often releases domestic versions of some hard to get imports (the Warp AI stuff especially). They are in no way responsible for the music on the disc. That is more the domain of the particular artist, and I have yet to find that the same sounds are used over and over again by such a diverse group of artists. ObOrbital: I have heard that 'Times Fly' comes in either a 2x7" or a 2x12". What is the difference between the two? Chris Fraser Victoria, BC, Canada cfraser@islandnet.com Sell me your SL1200's -*- Finger me for PGP public key ::::Escape Velocity::Alternating Fridays:::10:30pm-12:30am::CFUV::101.9FM:::: "Though variety's the spice of life, a steady rhythm is the source... Simplicity's the crucial thing - systemically, of course." Brian Eno ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C. Currie" Subject: ME TOO!!!!! Date: 04 Oct 1995 15:42:30 GMT Please cancel me. Your mail system's buggered. ======--+--====== cjurrie@its.dundee.ac.uk http://dux.dundee.ac.uk:8080/~cjcurrie/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Mccallum Subject: Re: aphex-vs-polygon, stop it, stop it, stop it! Date: 04 Oct 1995 12:58:39 -0700 (PDT) On Wed, 4 Oct 1995, Dave Walker wrote: > Not only is this entirely irrelevant to Orbital, it's also poorly argued, > a ridiculous generalization, and just, um, silly. I agree. > Stop it. But don't tell me what to do. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nuts@cix.compulink.co.uk (Tom Nuttall) Subject: Ultramarine Date: 04 Oct 1995 21:28 BST-1 Re: this discussion about cool electronic stuff. I would recommend Ultramarine's stuff to Orbital fans, especially the album 'United Kingdoms'. Although their musical structures are very different to Orbital's, I find that some of the sound textures they build up are very Orbital-esque. Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: M94 Subject: Re: aphex-vs-polygon Date: 05 Oct 1995 00:39:26 BST I have heard that 'Times Fly' comes in either a 2x7" or > > a 2x12". What is the difference between the two? > > All four formats (2x7", 2x12", digipak CD5, jewel-box CD5) have the same > four tracks -- slow and fast versions of "Times Fly" plus "Sad But True" > and "Tranquilizer". > surely you mean "Sad but NEW" ??? sorry to be picky, I'm just bored :> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oakley@pointblank.com Subject: Mason's picks Date: 05 Oct 1995 01:01:12 +0500 Here we go again, never fails. Take my word for it, if you don't have any TVT, do not get them! You will be very pissed at yourself for wasting money. But, if you wish to listen to others, get it and then write them back, and ask what they were talking about, you've been warned. Now, the question of Jam & Spoon came up. Perhaps one of my alltime favorites is on the 2001 album. "Stella." But, the remainder of the album is so-so at best. It is next to impossible for 1)a Orbital-esque type band to be signed and 2) to have distribution and marketing. Let's not argue about bad releases (TVT), but what makes others good!!! Assuming that Orbital is the standard for what people like, this is the orbital list after all, I really doubt they would like Polygon. They would like Leftfield, chemical bros., etc. BEAT ORIENTED! Next. Mason huang guang.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spoon! Subject: Re: Why hasn't anybody mentioned Spooky? Date: 05 Oct 1995 10:00:42 +0100 (BST) On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, Mark Gavini wrote: > >nobody has mentioned the new stuff by Spooky. > >Two eps released on Generic Recordings (through A&M) this year, the 2nd > >one just came out yesterday. > > What are the names of the abovementioned recordings? the first is the 'Clank EP' (GENRT001) the new one is called the 'Stereo EP' (GENRT002) buy them both! cheers martin Hydrogen Dukebox Mo' Wax Org Records Sabres Of Paradise |------------------------------------------------------------------| |THE | The finest | http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~esvtk/ | | SPOON | discographies|------------------------------------| | WEB | on the Web(?)| e-mail : esvtk@csv.warwick.ac.uk | |------------------------------------------------------------------| Done Lying Down Gunshot Eskimos & Egypt Sleeper ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "NICK JAMES UMNEY" Subject: alright already! Date: 05 Oct 1995 19:13:36 +11EST The question of whether some other act is "Orbital-ish" seems kinda pointless to me, as does the suggestion that someone who likes Orbital wouldn't like Polygon window. It IS possible to enjoy "Orbital-ish" sounds (however you choose to define that) as well as stuff by Dick Jim in his many guises, Jam and Spoon, Beastie Boys, Nick Cave, Maria Carey, J.S.Bach, WHATEVER!!!!! (well, OK so maybe not Maria Carey) but you get my point. GET OVER IT!!!! Now, on to more Hartnoll things...... Does anyone know why the American release of Orbital 1 included a different track listing than the British release? Did you know that the "beeping" sounds at the start of "Walk Now" are sampled from a pedestrian crossing in Sydney??!!!?? I heard that some early singles such as Satan and Midnight have been or are going to be re-relased in the UK. Is this true? Cheers, Nick ps: did anyone see the Aphex Twin at a Megadog gig in London in February 93? Probably the craziest sounds I've ever heard, let alone danced to....... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R.Sykes" Subject: Orbital re-releases Date: 05 Oct 1995 12:43:14 GMT0BST >NICK JAMES UMNEY >wrote : >I heard that some early singles such as Satan and Midnight have been >or are going to be re-relased in the UK. Is this true? You are correct - Orbital have re-released three of their early CD's - - Chime, Satan and Belfast. They were re-released about 3 weeks/a month ago and still sound as magnificent as ever. For mine is the kingdom, the power and the glory........ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mayrton@cev.u-net.com (Martin Ayrton) Subject: Internal Address Date: 05 Oct 1995 11:50:52 -0000 Does anybody have an address for Internal, (but not the Leamington Spa Freepost one), or even better an A&R contact ?? Also if anyone wants to check out what I'd like send to Internal, please access:- http://www.u-net.com/~cev/mobeus.html Has anyone got any rough idea when the new album is due for release, I heard next year some time, but will it be early or later in the year ? [-A Cyborgs Eye View---------------http://www.u-net.com/~cev-] | | | home of.... ( t h e m o b e u s ) | [------------[H]ard [T]rance with [M]elodic [L]ines----------] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Mccallum Subject: Re: Mason's picks Date: 05 Oct 1995 07:15:53 -0700 (PDT) On Thu, 5 Oct 1995 oakley@pointblank.com wrote: > Take my word for it, if you don't have any TVT, do not get them! > You will be very pissed at yourself for wasting money. "Them"?! It's been pointed out by Lazlo, TVT IS A RECORD LABEL that distributes artist's works. TVT signed a licensing deal for the US with UK label Warp, one of the premier strictly IDM labels in the world. I could almost understand you attacking Warp artists as sounding all alike, if that was your view. > Now, the question of Jam & Spoon came up. Perhaps one of my alltime > favorites is on the 2001 album. "Stella." Following your logic, I should avoid Jam & Spoon (and Leftfield) because they are on Sony here in the US with Mariah Carey and Ozzy Osbourne. > Assuming that Orbital is the standard for what people like, this is the > orbital list after all, I really doubt they would like Polygon. > They would like Leftfield, chemical bros., etc. > BEAT ORIENTED! Are you and I hearing the same album? Polygon Windows _Surfing on Sine Waves_ is the one of the most "beat oriented" albums Richard James has done. This "thread" is over as far as I'm concerned. I'm not responding again. Whomever started this, with asking for Orbital-ish releases, is probably turned off to the whole idea now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Cerman Subject: Re: Orbital re-releases Date: 05 Oct 1995 08:12:32 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 5 Oct 1995, R.Sykes wrote: > >NICK JAMES UMNEY wrote: > >I heard that some early singles such as Satan and Midnight have been > >or are going to be re-relased in the UK. Is this true? > > You are correct - Orbital have re-released three of their early CD's > - Chime, Satan and Belfast. > They were re-released about 3 weeks/a month ago and still sound as > magnificent as ever. What are the track listings? Dan Cerman decerman@ouray.cudenver.edu [PGP] http://www.cudenver.edu/~dcerman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Burns Subject: Re: other releases to get Date: 05 Oct 1995 10:19:59 -0400 (EDT) I don't think you should write off all of Future Sound of London and 'any Orb after U.F.Orb'... true that their not interested in making 'dance oriented' or 'high energy' music... their use of rhythms and textures is very noteworthy, though probably won't give you the urge to get up and shake your groove thing, or bounce around the room the way Orbital will. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: System Root Subject: RE: Tribal Gathering, Jungle etc. Date: 04 Oct 1995 14:23:23 +-100 Well, I can attest to the fact that Philip was indeed hot and sweaty = coming out after Paul Oakenfeld at UTG as I was with him. Though not at = that time as I was trying out some Orbital drum riffs on the = free-for-all drum set outside one of the tents. An hour and a half of = that may seem a bit excessive but what with the music and atmosphere = (and the rest) I just lost myself. As for all the chat I've seen about the Times Fly ep, all I can say is = that Orbital's music has been evolving gradually over the past couple of = years and it's a bit unrealistic to expect them to keep producing the = same stuff all the time. Personally I prefer the Diversions period, but = as they change so do we. Our tastes and theirs hopefully will go along = the same direction, but if not, Orbital aren't the only band in the = world. Luckily I do like the new ep, the best track for me is the remix = of Sad but True. Regards to you all, Alan. ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Treacy[SMTP:ptreacy@edscw.win-uk.net] Subject: Re: Tribal Gathering, Jungle etc. Date: 04 Oct 1995 14:23:23 +-100 >Wow, I hope nobody flames you just for saying that! Well, personally I >thought the TG show was right up there with some of the best I've ever = seen >by any band. Even better than at the Megadogs. In contrast, though I = love >the Drum Club, I thought their set was a bit dull. However, I do admit = that >the E was coming on a lot stronger during Orbital. 8-)~ Interesting >contrast.=20 > >>fast, hard and trippy tunes that you could go berserk to, not slow >>plodding stuff that bored me shitless. =20 > >Hey -- did you see Richie Hawtin or Carl Cox DJ? I thought their sets = were >just gobsmackingly brilliant. What did you think? > Sorry didn't catch them, or at least if I did I don't remember :-) I actually spent the whole day looking forward to being graced by that God Paul Oakenfold. One of my best experiences ever. I still remember coming out of the tent at 6.15 or whatever generating enough heat to warm a small village and sweating away a pound a minute. Although not Orbital related, Awesome. Philip ====================================================================== Philip Treacy London UK - --=20 ptreacy@edscw.win-uk.net=20 ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris.Hilker" Subject: Re: Orbital re-releases Date: 05 Oct 1995 08:18:24 -0700 (PDT) >What are the track listings? Before asking questions about Orbital releases on this list, please check Lazlo's comprehensive discography for the band, located at http://www.swcp.com/~lazlo/Discographies.html Thank you. C. - -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) "I feel like I'm being electrocuted." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sleepy Subject: Re: other releases to get Date: 05 Oct 1995 11:47:21 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 5 Oct 1995, Joseph Burns wrote: > I don't think you should write off all of Future Sound of London and 'any > Orb after U.F.Orb'... true that their not interested in making 'dance > oriented' or 'high energy' music... their use of rhythms and textures is > very noteworthy, though probably won't give you the urge to get up and > shake your groove thing, or bounce around the room the way Orbital will. i don't know about that one. if you haven't seen the orb in concert then do it if you get the chance. i was pleasantly surprised to see how they mixed the songs into more dancable versions. bryan. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: djw@SIRIUS.COM Subject: belfast/wasted Date: 05 Oct 1995 08:56:47 -0800 does anybody know what that "belfast/wasted" Volume re-release 12" is?do they combine the tracks? are they seperate? is it live? david j. weissberg typographer,videography and amateur didgeridoo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis M. Morales Jr." Subject: american releases Date: 05 Oct 1995 11:00:33 -0500 (CDT) on the subject of different track listings, i really dont have the answer to why the track listings were different on the european release than the american release. i do think, however, that the complete "marketing" of a record is very different here than in europe. minimalist, well designed, even beautiful sleeves are rendered "American" and then printed with the band's name and title of the record, because i guess were to short sighted to appreciate good sleeve design?? and, of course, were not going to buy a record without first knowing who it is by and the title, so we wont have to get off our lazy asses and look ourselves. i think that is the general idea of an American consumer, and this of course disappoints me. some people might venture to say that good sleeve design is whatever gets you to buy the record (im not sure i agree with this) and that is what people think Americans need, the title and the artist on the cover, and the most accessible tracks first. that would be the reason why the track lists are different, is just that, MARKETING. "Belfast" is a beautiful and almost commercially appealing, and since the "Americans" have short attention spans, we just could not wait until the last track. on a different note, do Paul & Phil read this mailing list? ====================================================================== dennis morales jr. internet://dmorales@engr.latech.edu http://www.latech.edu/~dmorales/ voice://318.251.3899 postal://201 e. arizona ave. #2, ruston LA 71270-5070 ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ST942572@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (James Samuel Heller Null) Subject: P.S. Date: 05 Oct 1995 13:50:31 -0400 Oh is anyone going tobe venturing to Sputnik 6 this saturday in New York City??? Everyone is welcome..... James James Samuel Heller Null ST942572@pip.cc.brandeis.edu I. Be Like Your Ancestors Or Be Different. It Doesn't Matter. II. Lay A Million Eggs Or Give Birth To One. III. Wear Gaudy Colors Or Avoid Display. It's All The Same. IV. The Fittest Shall Survive Yet The Unfit May Live. V. We Must Repeat! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Mackay Ross Subject: Re: More Music To Grab Date: 05 Oct 1995 12:57:16 -0500 (CDT) Speedy J G Spot bloody brilliant haven't been able to get a copy of Ginger yet, but I would think that it would qualify as a must have for the average Orbital lover. Davy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Mccallum Subject: Re: Orbital re-releases Date: 05 Oct 1995 11:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Lazlo Nibble keeps a pretty complete discography that includes the reissues at: http://www.swcp.com/~lazlo/Discographies.html David, who thinks Chris Hilker's posts are often condescending and impolite in their wording On Thu, 5 Oct 1995, Chris.Hilker wrote: > >What are the track listings? > > Before asking questions about Orbital releases on this list, please check > Lazlo's comprehensive discography for the band, located at > > http://www.swcp.com/~lazlo/Discographies.html > > Thank you. > > C. > > -- > cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) "I feel like I'm being electrocuted." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: monsterhead Subject: Re: P.S. Date: 05 Oct 1995 18:57:21 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 5 Oct 1995, James Samuel Heller Null wrote: > Oh is anyone going tobe venturing to Sputnik 6 this saturday in New York City??? > Everyone is welcome..... > > James > what is it where is it when is it? - -k ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Byrne Subject: Re: Mason's picks Date: 06 Oct 1995 09:48:18 BST > Here we go again, never fails. > Take my word for it, if you don't have any TVT, do not get them! > You will be very pissed at yourself for wasting money. > But, if you wish to listen to others, get it and then write them back, > and ask what they were talking about, you've been warned. > > > surely this is a case of opinion mistakenly expressed as fact. Lots of people seem to like the WARP A.I. stuff. It's fair enough to take an oppsing viewpoint but not to express it as the definitive answer. Besides I like the Cabs as well Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Subject: Re: Love brown & diversions, suggest other? Date: 06 Oct 1995 13:27:52 +0100 (BST) Jesse Lackey wrote: > The Brown album is one if my top 10 fave albums ever, and diversions is pretty > damn good too. I don't like the first or snivil all that much. mmmmm.....this is getting all to boring I'm afraid.....YES the brown LP was wicked..BUT it came out ages ago....Orbital have comfirmed their new style of music, first shown on the snivalisation album with Time Flys. If your no longer interested in Orbital as your letter states ( requests for other material ), then try another mailing list!!! Unfortunaltely music ( especially dance music ) evolves quickly and I feel the Hartnols have moved and done it brilliantly, their new style is excellant and sooooo... professional its untrue. A mate of mine on hearing the new E.p Time Flys said it was more together and sounds so fresh!!! I don't want to upset anyone, but I feel the list should concerntrate on what orbital are doing now not years ago!!!! So is Times Flys any good!!! I think so what about you!!!! Jason Timmins....................... I apologise, as this message should have reached the list last week, I basically fucked up, thanxs to Jesse!!! What a star!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Conor Walsh Subject: Re: Love brown & diversions, suggest other? Date: 06 Oct 1995 17:07:09 +0100 (BST) On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Jason wrote: > > Jesse Lackey wrote: > > > The Brown album is one if my top 10 fave albums ever, and diversions is pretty > > damn good too. I don't like the first or snivil all that much. > > mmmmm.....this is getting all to boring I'm afraid.....YES the brown > LP was wicked..BUT it came out ages ago....Orbital have comfirmed > their new style of music, first shown on the snivalisation album with > Time Flys. If your no longer interested in Orbital as your letter > states ( requests for other material ), then try another mailing > list!!! > Unfortunaltely music ( especially dance music ) evolves quickly and I > feel the Hartnols have moved and done it brilliantly, their new > style is excellant and sooooo... professional its untrue. A mate of > mine on hearing the new E.p Time Flys said it was more together and > sounds so fresh!!! > I don't want to upset anyone, but I feel the list should concerntrate > on what orbital are doing now not years ago!!!! > So is Times Flys any good!!! I think so what about you!!!! > > Jason Timmins....................... > > I apologise, as this message should have reached the list last week, > I basically fucked up, thanxs to Jesse!!! What a star!!!! > MEIN GOTT!! Who dares to say we should merely concentrate on the Orbital of today, How could any true fan even suggest that we ignore the likes of Belfast and Chime? Why even recently P&P opened their Feile set with that aforementioned anthem to a rapturous welcome among the initiated! (Only bettered on the night by IMPACT on the night) Of coursoops my system is going down,to be continued....... Everyone knows that Satan and the like don't sound quite as good in 1995 as it did in 1990-1991 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Subject: Now thats better.... Date: 06 Oct 1995 17:21:02 +0100 (BST) Okay a few comments before the weekend!!! A true fan keeps up to date!!! All I wanted to express, was my concern on the lack of talk about the orbital of new NOT old!!!!! IF, ( and personally this is a big IF ) Orbital are going in the wrong direction, why is the infamous " Brown " album so popular, and according to this list, Snivalisation not so good. If you don't like what orbital are doing, then say why, opions are never wrong!!! You always get the biggest cheers to classics, people don't like change......... Jason.............. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: belfast/wasted Date: 06 Oct 1995 14:37:15 -0600 (MDT) > does anybody know what that "belfast/wasted" Volume re-release 12" is?do > they combine the tracks? are they seperate? is it live? "Belfast/Wasted" is a single track. I don't think it's live, but it *is* a vocal track, and the version on the Orbital/Therapy? 12"/CD5 is the same one that's on the Wasted compilation and on Volume 3. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Mason's picks Date: 06 Oct 1995 14:39:32 -0600 (MDT) > Here we go again, never fails. > Take my word for it, if you don't have any TVT, do not get them! > You will be very pissed at yourself for wasting money. > But, if you wish to listen to others, get it and then write them back, > and ask what they were talking about, you've been warned. I'm a lot more curious to know what the hell you think *you're* talking about. So far all you've offered in support of this broad dismissal of an entire label's output is the functional equivalent of "it all sucks". - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Bet Tee Subject: Re: Love brown & diversions, suggest other? Date: 06 Oct 1995 16:50:10 -0300 On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Jason wrote: > LP was wicked..BUT it came out ages ago....Orbital have comfirmed > their new style of music, first shown on the snivalisation album with > Time Flys. If your no longer interested in Orbital as your letter > states ( requests for other material ), then try another mailing > list!!! What's wrong with discussing about older releases or Orbital-similar music? Out-with-the-old and in-with-the-new is it? Besides, as I remember, they confirmed that Snivilization would be a one-time thing and that their next album would be more like their pre-Snivilization material, albeit evolving, just not in a Snivilization direction (which is great news to me). > I don't want to upset anyone, but I feel the list should concerntrate > on what orbital are doing now not years ago!!!! Whatever. I guess this list should be abolished once Orbital stops making music. I mean, it'll all be past history. Besides, Snivilization is fairly old now as well. I know - let's ALL talk about nothing other than Times Fly for the next week! - -James ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Mackay Ross Subject: Re: Love brown & diversions, suggest other? Date: 05 Oct 1995 12:53:45 -0500 (CDT) Why does the concept of an untitiled album confuse people? Has anyone heard of the "white album" by the Beatles or Led Zepplin "IV"?? Both untitled by the band but titled by the general public. Davy On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, Chris.Hilker wrote: > >Isn't the brown album called "Orbital 2", and the first (chartreuse) > >album called "Orbital"? That's what's written on the CD boxes I have. > > A case could be made that the first album is titled 'CD' 'LP' or 'MC' > depending on the format. Both of the first two albums are effectively > untitled (or self-titled). The US release of the second album has > 'Orbital 2' on the spine, but the UK version doesn't - my guess is that > FFRR US just called it that for the sake of convenience. > > C. > > -- > cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) "I feel like I'm being electrocuted." > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ALANWOODY@aol.com Subject: Re : Good musik to git. Date: 07 Oct 1995 10:53:08 -0400 In a message dated 95-10-05 14:17:58 EDT, you write: >Speedy J G Spot >bloody brilliant Oh yeah ! That's for sure ! >haven't been able to get a copy of Ginger yet, but I would think that it >would qualify as a must have for the average Orbital lover. Yea... It's very high quality... Like everything Orbital does... HIGH QUALITY. If you haven't got it... GO GET IT ! Also : Higher Intelligence Agency "Colourform" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nuts@cix.compulink.co.uk (Tom Nuttall) Subject: Ultramarine Date: 07 Oct 1995 16:39 BST-1 >Time to get offensive now, sorry, but ultramarine are boll**ks, their >music is weak and nothing whatsoever to do with Orbital..... > >:-( Hmmm, you're going to have to try a lot harder if you want to offend me. Why don't you like them? Is it the fact that there is melody and no thumping beats? Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Rudholm Subject: Re: Ultramarine Date: 08 Oct 1995 03:05:26 -0700 (PDT) On Sat, 7 Oct 1995, Tom Nuttall wrote: > >Time to get offensive now, sorry, but ultramarine are boll**ks, their > >music is weak and nothing whatsoever to do with Orbital..... > > > >:-( > > Hmmm, you're going to have to try a lot harder if you want to offend me. > > Why don't you like them? Is it the fact that there is melody and no thumping > beats? > > Tom I first became aware of Ultramarine when they opened for Orbital at a show here in L.A. some years ago. When I asked Phil about them two years ago, he seemed to think they were pretty good, as do I. - -- Mark D. Rudholm / Software Engineer Commotion New Media, Inc. mark@commotion.com 1424 Fourth Street, #604 http://hyperreal.com/~rudholm/ Santa Monica, CA 90401 USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ALANWOODY@aol.com Subject: Re: Ultramarine (and Orbital content as well...) Date: 08 Oct 1995 22:27:57 -0400 In a message dated 95-10-08 20:16:47 EDT, you write: >Ultramarine... >They have supported Orbital? Yes. A few years ago Ultramarine ,Orbital , and Meat Beat Manifesto went on a tour of the US called "Communion". It was one of the most fun evenings I've ever had standing up. >Did they go down well? I saw them in Detroit (at Pontiac actually), and the crowd wasn't real excited, but they were all dancing the whole time. Ultramarine was hardly known at the time. They had just released their first album, and in fact Mute records was there giving away promo copies of it. The funniest thing about the show was that nobody noticed when Orbital started to play. They had set up their gear underneath the stairwell in the center of the club, and when Ultramarine was finished, they just started to play. Everyone assumed that since nobody was onstage, it must be a record. I happened to be standing next to them when they started though, otherwise I would have thought it was a really rare Orbital remix ! They have a unique way of playing live. From what I saw, it appears that they start multiple sequencers doing loops of synth & percussion. Paul would work the mixing board fading things in and out, while Phil would twiddle the knobs, and play a few bits live. It came off very well, I would imagine they practiced alot, because it sounded awesome, and they hardly spoke to each other the whole time ! I thought of choreography, i.e. Phil knew exactly when Paul was going to cut off the drums, and at that moment he would adjust one of the synth mod wheels or something. BRAVO. That was alot of fun. I got to meet P&P, and hang out with Meat Beat before the show. Jack Dangers even did an answering machine message for me ! ( - : (I am a truely fortunate individual) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "NICK JAMES UMNEY" Subject: slow vs fast Date: 09 Oct 1995 12:54:53 +11EST OK, lets talk about "the Orbital of NOW"..... I'm interested to know whether people prefer Times Fly (slow) or Times Fly (fast). Personally I think (slow) is more interesting. I would love to hear a truly fast remix though. Nick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Subject: Re: slow vs fast Date: 09 Oct 1995 11:19:35 +0100 (BST) NICK JAMES UMNEY wrote: >OK, lets talk about "the Orbital of NOW"..... Good start!!!! >I'm interested to know whether people prefer Times Fly (slow) or Times Fly (fast). I have to agree and say that Times Fly ( slow ) is better, I think because the beats sound clearer at a slower speed. The way the drum pattern is put together is superb and is slighlty blurred in the Times Fly ( Fast ). A full on mix would be very interesting, as all four toons on the E.p would be to slow for me to mix in a set!!! A quick question, I seem to remember someone saying that orbital contributed to the Help album, true? Is it any good? How does it vary with Times Fly???? Jason............................... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mjb@server1.smb.man.ac.uk (Michael Byrne) Subject: Re: slow vs fast Date: 09 Oct 1995 12:17:31 +0000 I think the beats on the Fast version sound great but I'm not totally sure how well the beats and the keyboard fit together. I like the fast version but I think I prefer the more Trip-Hop fell of the slow version. Well that's this week's opinion it might change next week. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick davey Subject: orbital, are they here? who are they? do they here? Date: 09 Oct 1995 12:47:30 BST hi folks, der-d-der dum dum dum, der-d.-der dum dum dum........ I must admit i really like the time-flys single alot, and feel it's one of the orbitals best work. I've read alot of mail recently that has claimed that snivilisation wasn't as good as the so called 'Brown' album. I think that they're both quite good in their own respects, however, the difference between them is simply the release of both Lush 3 and halcyon, two popular and well respected tracks, whereas the later album pulled only 'are we here?'. I think, orbital are better at producing killer singles and remixes than particular albums. Tracks like chime, lush3 with the c j bolland rmx, as well as the underworld and the pwog rmx's, and halycon are really good, and often album length in themselves. I think times fly, will again prove this point....I suspect that their next album will not live up to the expectations that the single has created. I hope however it is brilliant and every bit as good as the past three albums, although I also suspect that the enigma of the 'Brown' album will prove to be to great. Anyway, I'd like to ask a couple of questions. Last year I bought a 12" by Rainforest on rainforest records. Rainforest both group and label are a bloke called Tony Crooks. I have recently seen a compilation album out and have yet to buy it. But has any body heard it yet? The 12" was called the last rights/mania and is apsolutely amazing. The beats are fast and furious, and the tune sticks in your head, pounding away, and you can't help but whistle it at unexpected moments, and spend hours working out what the hell it is. I am a big fan of Harthouse, and all the related labels, I also think that Techno and trance live!!!!!! Well anyay i'll be off now, any replies, i'd happily read them........ by, NICK. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ezekiel the Prophet Subject: and me too!!! Date: 09 Oct 1995 12:52:42 EDT Please cancel me also. ====================================================================== x LYNDON NIXON 3rd yr Biblical Studs/Philosophy BELFAST, N IRELAND xxxxx www http://dux.dundee.ac.uk/~azmilne/lnixon/ x email: u9325913@qub.ac.uk gd7oya@lurpac.lancs.ac.uk packet: gd7oya@gb7fci x "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge" X Proverbs 1.7 ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ivar van Duuren Subject: New album? Date: 09 Oct 1995 13:26:46 +0100 (MET) Hi, So I heard Orbital has released/will release a new album... Is that correct? If so, what's it called? Bye, Ivar ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Burns Subject: Re: singles vs albums Date: 09 Oct 1995 10:20:24 -0400 (EDT) I agree with Nick that a single format is often more suited to bands like orbital... given the kinda music they're producing... But I do have to differ in that I thought 'Times Fly' was a little dry. As for Sniv... I think its got some really great tracks on it, even a part from its single... perhaps its low rank on the totem pole of Orbital-ness is due to perhaps a lack of focus over the whole disc. The other records, even though they were more 'abstract' (ie less coherent hooks in spoken english) they had a kind of thematic unity that Sniv perhaps shoots for but doesn't quite hit. but everything except 'Kline Trink Wasser' I think is really excellent stuff. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark@commotion.com (Mark Rudholm) Subject: Re: Ultramarine Date: 09 Oct 1995 10:50:23 -0700 > From: nuts@cix.compulink.co.uk (Tom Nuttall) > > >I first became aware of Ultramarine when they opened for Orbital > >at a show here in L.A. some years ago. > > They have supported Orbital? Did they go down well? Really well in my opinion. When I heard them, I knew immediately that I had to get the (then) new CD "Every Man and Woman is a Star." > >When I asked Phil about them two years ago, he seemed to think they were > >pretty good, as do I. > > As in Hartnoll? yeah. > Tom - -Mark - -- Mark D. Rudholm / Software Engineer Commotion New Media, Inc. mark@commotion.com 1424 Fourth Street, Ste 604 http://hyperreal.com/~rudholm/ Santa Monica, CA 90401 USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nuts@cix.compulink.co.uk (Tom Nuttall) Subject: Re: Ultramarine Date: 09 Oct 1995 19:17 BST-1 >> >I first became aware of Ultramarine when they opened for Orbital >> >at a show here in L.A. some years ago. >> They have supported Orbital? Did they go down well? >Really well in my opinion. When I heard them, I knew immediately >that I had to get the (then) new CD "Every Man and Woman is a Star." I love their music but I've always found them a bit lacking in charisma on stage. >> >When I asked Phil about them two years ago, he seemed to think they were >> >pretty good, as do I. >> As in Hartnoll? >yeah. How did you manage that? Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Gavini Subject: Re : Good musik to git. Date: 09 Oct 1995 11:28:14 -0700 >>Speedy J G Spot >Also : Higher Intelligence Agency "Colourform" I would also like to suggest some of Richard H. Kirk's stuff (ex Cab Volt) especially some of the trax on his latest release _The_Number_of_Magic_. It's very tasty. It tends to be a tad trippier but it's good stuff none the less. Cheers, Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samuel Gold Subject: Don't Forget me. Date: 09 Oct 1995 16:29:37 -0400 (EDT) I want to leave also. sam gold ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christophe Demunter Subject: Re: singles vs albums Date: 10 Oct 1995 00:20:34 +0100 (MET) On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Joseph Burns wrote: > but everything except 'Kline Trink Wasser' I think is really excellent stuff. What ? Kein Trinkwasser is my favorite Orbital-song. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Tolva Subject: Diversions diversity Date: 09 Oct 1995 19:27:04 -0600 I'm told that there are differences between the US release of Diversions = and the UK release. =20 The copy I've got (which I assume is the US version) has the tracks = Impact USA. Lush 3/Walk About, Semi Detached, Lush 3-5, Lush 3-4, Lush = 3-3. Anybody know if there are extra (or modified) tracks on the UK release?=20 John ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=20 jntolva@artsci.wustl.edu (net) http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~jntolva/ (web) (314) 727-7547 (vox) (314) 727-6036 (fax) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark@commotion.com (Mark Rudholm) Subject: Re: Ultramarine Date: 09 Oct 1995 14:12:25 -0700 > >> >When I asked Phil about them two years ago, he seemed to think they were > >> >pretty good, as do I. > >> As in Hartnoll? > >yeah. > > How did you manage that? I became acquainted with them and their manager a couple of years ago when I did a show with them. Their manager is a sportbike rider also, so he's cool! (he's also a *very* nice guy.) We (AREA 17) did a live, computer(s)-generated video show for an event they were performing at. We discussed the show with the musicians beforehand and got image elements (the root window on my SPARC is a high-resolution image of the Orbital Scribble :-) and some sort of idea what kind of art direction, if any, they would prefer. One of the things we can do is render images seeded with audio (or any other input signal, for that matter) so the images can derive from the instantaneous audio. That was made possible by virture of the fact that most of the imagery was computed in real-time. (we hauled in a lot of horsepower). It was a lot of fun, Moby, Mark Gage (Vapourspace), and Richard James (who also seemed to like our work) were also there. Anyway, we made some friends... URB Magazine did a column on AREA 17 some time ago. Lately I've been very busy with work that actually pays, so AREA 17 hasn't been doing many shows lately. - -Mark - -- Mark D. Rudholm / Electrical Engineer AREA 17 rudholm@hyperreal.com 23250 Redrock Road http://hyperreal.com/~rudholm/ Topanga, CA 90290 USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: yhuang0@sas.upenn.edu (Mr. Skippy) Subject: Re: Input Out Date: 09 Oct 1995 23:14:33 -0400 >i keep listening to the first and last cuts on orbital2 and thinking that >there is probably some nifty bit of theory/method behind them, but i >haven't discovered it yet. could someone who knows explain this to me. >my idea is that they are simply creating complex patterns by triggering >the samples ever so slightly farther apart each time. is this correct? yes, it's a looping technique that was developed by Steve Reich (in the early twentieth century, i think). If you seriously want to learn more about it, go out and buy his CD: Steve Reich, early works. The insert explains the entire theory and method behind it. - -UE |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| | Yuwei Huang | listen to -----> 0 r B i T a L | | yhuang0@sas.upenn.edu | "The future is percusssion." | | U.Penn | - John Cage | |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MarkT@bartley.demon.co.uk Subject: Orbital at Glastonbury 95 Date: 09 Oct 1995 17:35:48 +0100 Can anyone tell me how the Orbital Set at Glastonbury differed from the Sound City one? I _loved_ the live mix of Lush they did and was wondering if there were any other versions (apart from the CD single and album mixes) kicking around on bootleg. I saw a tape of the Glastonbury set, but want to know if there's any point in getting it if its going to be the same as my Sound City tape (courtesy of Radio One). BTW does anyone know why all the John Major samples in Sad But New were dropped between the Radio One Interactive Night broadcast and the Times Fly CD? They were kinda corny, but I was wondering if there was any sort of political pressure to get them taken off, considering that they did twist the words of the speech rather libellously at one point! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Burns Subject: Kein Trink Wasser Date: 09 Oct 1995 23:58:09 -0400 (EDT) I never thought the 'industro-grunge guitar mixed well with the rest of their so called 'beat thing' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Burns Subject: Re: singles vs albums Date: 10 Oct 1995 00:16:18 -0400 (EDT) re:album format stuff - I think someone (i've forgotten you're name) was right about Orbital needing a good long chunk of time to get across what they're trying to do. And in that aspect that's kinda why I think they're better suited to the ep format. I mean there that the expectations for an ep is usually for a longer perhaps more indulgent treatment of a more singular theme or variations there of. In that format its perfectly understandible to have 23 minute mixes of tracks. Where as on an album proper, the expectation is a little more to have a variety of independant >songs< juxtaposed in some meaningful way, which again given the music of Orbital, I feel a little more satisfied with a long treatment of a theme and variation that bounces along and tranforms itself smoothly over a chunk of time. You know? Do I sound crazy or pretentious here? Anyway. I guess I'm just saying that people (record label types in particular) expect diversity and singularized songs on an 'album' and they expect something else from 'singles. I just wish that American music industry was a little more oriented towards promoting a market of singles because I think it gives the artist a lot more room to experiment and develop without the constraints and pressures of feeling like they have to put out an ALBUM with all the pressures that entails. Let them put a few eps under their belt first for crissakes!!! sorry enough ranting so how about that Chemical Brothers disc?!!! I think its absolutely astounding. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher William Niemitz Subject: Re: Input Out Date: 09 Oct 1995 21:48:40 -0700 (PDT) On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Mr. Skippy wrote: > >my idea is that they are simply creating complex patterns by triggering > >the samples ever so slightly farther apart each time. is this correct? > > yes, it's a looping technique that was developed by Steve Reich (in the > early twentieth century, i think). If you seriously want to learn more > about it, go out and buy his CD: Steve Reich, early works. The insert > explains the entire theory and method behind it. I don't know if this is a similar technique, but my absolute favorite use of looped samples is Sasha's remix of "Nasty Rhythm" by Creative Thieves (and IMHO still Sasha's best remix ever-though i have yet to hear his remix of "Midnight", much less get a hold of a copy). In it, Sasha loops the vocals "rhythm, nasty rhythm is a house thing" over and over, each time removing a slight bit of the vocals, such that if you were to put the needle on the very end of the record you would have no idea what was being sampled, but when listening to it from the beginning you can hear the refrain over and over, even at the end when most of it has already been removed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Byrne Subject: Re: Re : Good musik to git. Date: 10 Oct 1995 09:43:28 BST > From owner-orbital@xmission.com Mon Oct 9 19:58:24 1995 > Date: Mon, 9 Oct 95 11:28:14 -0700 > Subject: Re : Good musik to git. > From: Mark Gavini > To: ALANWOODY , orbital > Mime-Version: 1.0 > I would also like to suggest some of Richard H. Kirk's stuff (ex Cab > Volt) especially some of the trax on his latest release > _The_Number_of_Magic_. It's very tasty. It tends to be a tad trippier > but it's good stuff none the less. > > > Cheers, > Mark > > Yeah the no of magic is a great album it's the most consistent he's put out recently. There was so much he put out last year that some of it sounded a bit patchy - still virtual state, the Sandoz album and the Cabs album all have their high points and are worth a listen. Its all a bit mellower than most Orbital stuff , and some of it is quite funky (for want of a better term). Of course the old Cabs stuff is worth a listen esp. since they were a large influence on Orbital (I read an interview once where Phil Hartnoll was talking about getting into the Cabs when be was about 15 and wanting to do a huge Hip Hop style Cabaret Voltaire mural in his home town but not actually getting to do it). The more electronic stuff is on the albums: Crackdown, Microphonies, drinking Gasoline and the Covenant, the Sword and the Arm of the Lord - thesea are probably easy to find 2nd hand. 2x45 and Red Mecca are slightly earlier and a bit stranger but stll good. Bye Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick davey Subject: Anyone heard of Salt Tank? Date: 10 Oct 1995 10:34:29 BST Hi again, On the subject of singles vs albums, I feel that alot of so called techno-trance artists have not made a particularly good transition from the single format to that of albums. However Salt Tank, who are pretty good in my books have thus decided to produce mini-albums, cutting the amount of tracks need for an album, but with enough tracks to make a reasonable project. The price is also cheap, for they usually sell for a little over the price of a single. Salt Tank are also on internal, and strangely enough are a duo. I think that ST4 is probably their best work, although the recently released Peel sessions is damn fine also. Although I think they live a little in the shadow of Orbital, ie releasing peel sessions, being on the same label as well as sometimes being similar in the production of tracks i'm sure they've found their best format-the mini album. I would also like to ask, what is the favourable mix of are we here? Unlike the previous lush single, all the mixes seemed to roll into each other, making it hard to distinguish each particular track, which I thought made the entire single. The 'Are we here?' single however has seperate mixes. Also, anybody buying the vinyl 12" of times fly will now appreciate the Double vinyl aspect of it. Unfortunately I have found that this has been used as an excuse to charge high prices for it. Internal often release dbl 12"'s like Salt Tank, or the latest CJ Bolland 12" +10" pack. Shops however have caught on and are now charging more for the vinyl. Anyway, I've got to go Times fly when yer having fun... Nick. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick davey Subject: [none] Date: 10 Oct 1995 11:05:09 BST I agree with the need to express yourself on a theme and to continue ideas along a piece of work. I also agree that often it's the hype of the record company in wishing albums to be released, either to consumer pressure or for the profits alone, however, often these corporate pressures lead to bad productions, rushed compositions and generally a lack of spark to the end product. I can therefore see why the single is perhaps more suited to orbital. I feel they need time to compose, sample and produce, and obviously work out their themes. I do think however that If projects are left to long that they become 'dated' or at least behind with fashion, rather than creating fashions like they have in the past. However many artists manage well without ever having released an album at all. The techno-trance-ambience scene in britain convulges mainly around 12"'s. Easy to have pressed, at a low price, easy to distribute and with more diverse remixes and tracks than usually found on albums. They tend to lead the way because they are easily-easier to mix for dj's. Therefore they are usually obtainable in most record shops, and are cheaper than buying an album....ergo.. if it's apauling then it hasn't cost you as much, but it's likely that you'll like at least a few mixes or tracks. Usually labels come out with compilation albums, with a variety of tracks on. Labels like dragonfly happen to be good for nice lush trancey tunes, or Warp doing the A.I. comps. However sometimes artists suit the album, creating seperate different tracks that all seem brilliant. I haven't heard the latest Chemical Brothers album, but their singles have been pretty cool so far. Has anybody not heard the orbital remix of the golden girls on rising high yet. It's tops. by for now Nick. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Colin Subject: Re: How to unsubscribe Date: 10 Oct 1995 11:30:36 GMT Philip Treacy told us: > > To unscubscribe: > > unsubscribe trance > This hasn't worked for me I'm still getting 20 letters a day and I dont know what ones are real letters. Please oh please can somebody get to the bottom of this problem! AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: marmoset@mail.msen.com (Dave Walker) Subject: Re: How to uns*bscribe Date: 10 Oct 1995 08:53:51 -0400 [Names omitted to protect the innocent] > I'm still getting 20 letters a day and I dont know what ones are >real letters. Please oh please can somebody get to the bottom of this >problem! >AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!! "It's a well known law of the internet that any dumb fucker can subscribe to a mailing list, but it seems to take an IQ of 200+ to unsubscribe." - Simon Hughes Ahem. Anyway, the address that you fleeing folks want to use is majordomo@xmission.com In the body of your message, the line: uns*bscribe orbital (with a "u" in place of that asterisk) should appear. - -- dave walker, detroit art services _ marmoset@conch.aa.msen.com born freeke Dave Walker ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Walker Subject: Re: How to unsubscribe Date: 10 Oct 1995 14:16:26 +0100 (BST) On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, Colin wrote: > Philip Treacy told us: > > > > > To unscubscribe: > > > > unsubscribe trance > > > > This hasn't worked for me > > I'm still getting 20 letters a day and I dont know what ones are > real letters. Please oh please can somebody get to the bottom of this > problem! > AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!! > Try this: send message to majordomo@xmission.com no subject. Body of text: unsubscribe orbital Colin OK? Rob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Burns Subject: Re: Input Out Date: 10 Oct 1995 09:29:25 -0400 (EDT) close... they have the same sample in two separate loops which are played very slightly out of phase. That gives they effect of at the beginning of the track the two samples are completely in synch, then they drift apart then come back together. I always thought the most interesting part of this is that the input/output bits when pulled the furthest out of phase saound like the voice is saying "interpenetration" which is THE THEORY/AESTHETIC behind the whole 'sample it, loop it' idea. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MarkT@bartley.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Input Out Date: 10 Oct 1995 09:10:05 +0100 (Probably lots of people will reply to this, but I'm on a once-a-day Email connection and can't be bothered to wait a whole day) Both tracks are done by looping a sample with the (say) left channel being either a sliiiiightly longer sample of the loop (therefore takes longer to play) or (more likely) a sliiiightly slowed down sample (obviously takes longer to play). Therefore the two channels become out of phase with each other and you get the nice interference patterns. This effect is real easy to achieve on a Soundtracker program (eg. FastTracker on the PC) (I can't afford a couple of samplers, see!) Simply sample the loop off your Orbital CD (or better still, Star Trek), then load it in twice, and to the second one set the playback rate to a smidgeon slower. Then create a pattern with track one playing sample 1 and track 2 playing sample 2 and press play. If you time it right you can even get the two samples to line back up again just before the rest of your song starts. - -Now if that was the _only_ trick to achieve to get that Orbital sound... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Mccallum Subject: Re: Kein Trink Wasser Date: 10 Oct 1995 06:51:18 -0700 (PDT) On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Joseph Burns wrote: > I never thought the 'industro-grunge guitar mixed well with the rest of > their so called 'beat thing' It sounds like you may be confusing "Kein Trink Wassner" with "Quality Seconds", the track following "KTW". To me, "QS" is the one with "industro-grunge guitar." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Subject: ..are we here n' stuff... Date: 10 Oct 1995 15:04:05 +0100 (BST) Firstly the "are we here" question about the remixes, my mate got it on CD with 5 or 6 mixes, they are all done by orbital except one, "They did it", thats the thumping one, good remix, probably the best one, otherwise the rest are a bit lacking in imagination, liked the amusing "Criminal Justice Bill" aswell. As for the "Times Flys" Ep, I agree some record shops were knocking out the Ep at inflated prices, but this isn't always the case, sometimes doulde packs are more!!! ( I got mine....HMV for 3.99 UK pounds!! ) Your right in saying the so called undergroud dance scene revolves around 12" ers, which are ideal for putting out a few ideas, but once established artists like orbital may want a bigger canvas and probably like the space an album gives, I also think once you get to orbital's popularity you have little choice but to release albums....plus putting out mini-albums or 12" all the time leaves you no time to tour, other projects, spend all their dosh etc!!!! One last thing....to all you brown album loving Americans out there, I believe orbital released a U.S.A only version of "are we here"????? And that it was pretty banging with remixes from other people!!!! Any comments??????????????? Jason............................. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: M94 Subject: Re: How to unsubscribe Date: 10 Oct 1995 16:02:36 BST > From owner-orbital@xmission.com Tue Oct 10 13:28:20 1995 > From: Colin > Organization: Dundee University > To: orbital@xmission.com > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:30:36 GMT > Subject: Re: How to unsubscribe > Priority: normal > X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) > Sender: owner-orbital@xmission.com > Content-Length: 274 > > Philip Treacy told us: > > > > > To unscubscribe: > > > > unsubscribe trance > > > > This hasn't worked for me > > I'm still getting 20 letters a day and I dont know what ones are > real letters. Please oh please can somebody get to the bottom of this > problem! > AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!! > to unsubscribe from orbital Send a mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the following in the body of your email unsubscribe orbital this should work ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris.Hilker" Subject: Re: Diversions diversity Date: 10 Oct 1995 08:35:59 -0700 (PDT) >I'm told that there are differences between the US release of Diversions = >and the UK release. =20 >The copy I've got (which I assume is the US version) has the tracks = >Impact USA. Lush 3/Walk About, Semi Detached, Lush 3-5, Lush 3-4, Lush = >3-3. > >Anybody know if there are extra (or modified) tracks on the UK release?=20 There is no UK release of 'Diversions.' Before asking questions on this list about Orbital releases, please consult Lazlo's comprehensive Orbital discography, which lives at http://www.swcp.com/~lazlo/Discographies.html C. [Condescending and impolite, get used to it] - -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) "I feel like I'm being electrocuted." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ryu" Subject: Quality Minutes? Date: 10 Oct 1995 11:15:31 -0600 (CST) speaking of quality seconds, anyone know if there is an extended mix of that song. i like it with the guitars. love, ryu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hary J Walsh Subject: Cover of Snivilisation Date: 10 Oct 1995 18:28:12 +0100 I haven't seen much discussionon this, so I tough I'd give my toughts on it. I think the cover of Snivilisation is one of the best I've ever seen. The recuring images of sunshine everywhere: the mug, tv, window, newspaper, wall picture suggest to me that the guy (?) on the seat represents those who assume everything is okay. And the other picture, of god wearing the VR headset. maybe 'And God created the world in 7 days' should be 'And God said "How do I turn this thing on"'. Any other opinions? - -- Hary J Walsh / hwalsh@drlove.ilo.dec.com / +353 91 754169 Digital Equipment International, Galway, Ireland. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Gavini Subject: Re: singles vs albums Date: 10 Oct 1995 11:00:58 -0700 >so how about that Chemical Brothers disc?!!! I think its absolutely >astounding. Agreed. Double plus good. Cheers, Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Diversions diversity Date: 10 Oct 1995 13:46:59 -0600 (MDT) > Anybody know if there are extra (or modified) tracks on the UK release? As Chris points out, Diversions is US-only. (I believe the idea was to make up for the fact that we didn't get the Peel Sessions disc or the "Lush" single here.) And just for the record, I'm as willing to flame cluelessness as anyone here, but I really don't think people should be given a hard time for not knowing the discog exists when it's not even mentioned in this list's intro message. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bim@SIRIUS.COM (Shannon Titus) Subject: Re: Ultramarine (and Orbital content as well...) Date: 10 Oct 1995 13:26:00 -0800 >In a message dated 95-10-08 20:16:47 EDT, you write: > >>Ultramarine... >>They have supported Orbital? > >Yes. A few years ago Ultramarine ,Orbital , and Meat Beat Manifesto went on a >tour of the US called "Communion". It was one of the most fun evenings I've >ever had standing up. > >>Did they go down well? > >I saw them in Detroit (at Pontiac actually), and the crowd wasn't real >excited, but they were all dancing the whole time. Ultramarine was hardly >known at the time. They had just released their first album, and in fact Mute >records was there giving away promo copies of it. > >The funniest thing about the show was that nobody noticed when Orbital >started to play. They had set up their gear underneath the stairwell in the >center of the club, and when Ultramarine was finished, they just started to >play. Everyone assumed that since nobody was onstage, it must be a record. I >happened to be standing next to them when they started though, otherwise I >would have thought it was a really rare Orbital remix ! > >They have a unique way of playing live. From what I saw, it appears that they >start multiple sequencers doing loops of synth & percussion. Paul would work >the mixing board fading things in and out, while Phil would twiddle the >knobs, and play a few bits live. It came off very well, I would imagine they >practiced alot, because it sounded awesome, and they hardly spoke to each >other the whole time ! I thought of choreography, i.e. Phil knew exactly when >Paul was going to cut off the drums, and at that moment he would adjust one >of the synth mod wheels or something. Yeah, I had the fortune to see Orbital live on the NASA tour, and it was a pretty amazing experience. To see their bald heads bobbing around in the darkeness (they had those glasses on that have the little flashlights on either sides of your eyes), and see their hands flitting around twiddling various knobs, it was like watching some little magical spell being cast, it was all very synchronous. The best part about it was that they made everything look so effortless, and I think it takes serious talent to do that. >BRAVO. > >That was alot of fun. I got to meet P&P, and hang out with Meat Beat before >the show. Jack Dangers even did an answering machine message for me ! > > ( - : > >(I am a truely fortunate individual) As an aside, I was in Mill Valley, CA this last weekend and was being driven around in the hills around Mt. Tam, and I couldn't stop looking at the mailboxes to see if there was one with 'DANGERS" written on it. I kept thinking, "Is this the house? Is that the house??" Much to my chagrin, none of the mailboxes were labelled. Oh well... - -shan- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Burns Subject: Re: Cover of Snivilisation Date: 10 Oct 1995 22:57:17 -0400 (EDT) yeah I have a question... whats with all the reproductive imagery? The guy in the chair is a big egg and the two 'guardian' figures on the sides are big penises with breasts and vulva's... what's up with this? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hary J Walsh Subject: Re: Cover of Snivilisation Date: 11 Oct 1995 10:15:48 +0100 >>>>> "Joseph" == Joseph Burns writes: Joseph> yeah I have a question... whats with all the reproductive Joseph> imagery? The guy in the chair is a big egg and the two Joseph> 'guardian' figures on the sides are big penises with Joseph> breasts and vulva's... what's up with this? The whole scene speaks to me of someone who thinks everything is okay. The sun allways shines etc.. etc.. The two guardian figures suggest some sort of enforcement is required to make sure the egg continues to see things this way. Anyone agree/disagree??? Now the reason the various people involved are penises and an egg, I don't have any solid ideas, but the term 'fucking him up the ass' comes to mind. I dunno. More input would be nice. What does everyone else think? Hary J Walsh / hwalsh@drlove.ilo.dec.com / +353 91 754169 Digital Equipment International, Galway, Ireland. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick davey Subject: [none] Date: 11 Oct 1995 11:57:17 BST It's nick again, I've just read a message about speedy j, the illusive Johann Paap or whatever his real name is. He's written some corkin' tracks, and if you like his stuff, have you seen the warp A.I. video motion which features exellent graphics (in my view, worthless as it may seem), with is also corkin. I read somewhere that speedy J, was called speedy J because he used to be a DJ, and that he earned the nick-name being speedy. He writes most of his tracks in a home studio late at night because the atmosphere inspires him, and why not? I also used to listen to the cabs when I was younger, probably around the time I was fourteen-fifteen, but I never wanted to paint a mural on any walls. I remember Nag Nag Nag being particularly good, but since then I've seemed to have gone off them. I have got a copy of R.H.Kirk's virtual state, but wasn't overly impressed with it. There was a track on the TEX2 album called 'Oneski' with I was very impressed with however. I wonder if orbital will produce a video similar to the A.I. one, they seem to like the graphical elements. People like FSOL have produced sampler video's with about five-minutes of footage selling and about the same as a single, So will orbital follow suit. well no major philosophical points so far, even a stopped message...etc........ Nick. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Tickle Subject: Re: Cover of Snivilisation Date: 11 Oct 1995 12:51:24 +0100 > From: Hary J Walsh > > The whole scene speaks to me of someone who thinks everything is okay. > The sun allways shines etc.. etc.. The two guardian figures suggest > some sort of enforcement is required to make sure the egg continues to > see things this way. > > Anyone agree/disagree??? > > Maybe the repeated sunny scene represents the way in which the outside world is portrayed in all types of media (including the music), and that image is always of the happy side of things. Sarcasm, perhaps? Anyway, was the inner-sleeve artwork produced specifically for Snivilisation? Was the artist directed by the band? And what is the cover picture all about?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hary J Walsh Subject: Re: Cover of Snivilisation Date: 11 Oct 1995 15:49:52 +0100 >>>>> "David" == David Tickle writes: David> Maybe the repeated sunny scene represents the way in which David> the outside world is portrayed in all types of media David> (including the music), and that image is always of the happy David> side of things. Sarcasm, perhaps? Perhaps. But the greyish tone doesn't help portray a tone of sarcasm. David> Anyway, was the inner-sleeve artwork produced specifically David> for Snivilisation? Was the artist directed by the band? And David> what is the cover picture all about?? I don't have a clue. I've stared at it for ages, in various states of consciousness, and still only see it as a clever arrangement of bits-n-pieces. - -- Hary J Walsh / hwalsh@drlove.ilo.dec.com / +353 91 754169 Digital Equipment International, Galway, Ireland. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Mccallum Subject: Re: Diversions diversity Date: 11 Oct 1995 09:18:44 -0700 (PDT) On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, Lazlo Nibble wrote: > > Anybody know if there are extra (or modified) tracks on the UK release? > > As Chris points out, Diversions is US-only. (I believe the idea was to > make up for the fact that we didn't get the Peel Sessions disc or the "Lush" > single here.) Perhaps some confusion comes up because occasionally it is sold as an import to us here in the US. I have also seen it in record stores with "Import" sticker on it because the copy was from Canada. CDEurope (on the 'Net) has it for sale as an import from Holland. I once ordered Underworld's "Cowgirl" from them as an "import" from Holland and received the US's TVT/Wax Trax single with a "Made in Holland" sticker on the back. > And just for the record, I'm as willing to flame cluelessness as anyone > here, but I really don't think people should be given a hard time for not > knowing the discog exists when it's not even mentioned in this list's > intro message. And it should be mentioned. Let me say that I really like your discographies, Lazlo. I study them and weep over the listings of the great tunes I will probably never get my hands on to hear. David, who so cherishes his connections with others that condescension is an enemy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: Diversions diversity Date: 11 Oct 1995 11:30:41 -0600 (MDT) > CDEurope (on the 'Net) has [Diversions] for sale as an import from > Holland. I once ordered Underworld's "Cowgirl" from them as an "import" > from Holland and received the US's TVT/Wax Trax single with a "Made in > Holland" sticker on the back. Another great reason to *never* do business with CDEurope... - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nuts@cix.compulink.co.uk (Tom Nuttall) Subject: To: orbital@xmission.xmission.com Date: 11 Oct 1995 18:42 BST-1 >Yeah, I had the fortune to see Orbital live on the NASA tour, and it was a >pretty amazing experience. To see their bald heads bobbing around in the >darkeness (they had those glasses on that have the little flashlights on >either sides of your eyes), How long have they be wearing those little things before? They had them when they played Glastonbury 1994... Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Thorne Subject: Kline Trink Wasser Date: 11 Oct 1995 13:48:00 PDT On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Joseph Burns wrote: > but everything except 'Kline Trink Wasser' I think is really excellent stuff. What ? Kein Trinkwasser is my favorite Orbital-song. Funny, that particular song seems kind of divisive, especially in regards to the beginning piano part. I happen to love it and think it's brilliant. My girlfriend Shannon (also a rabid Orbital fan and list-poster) hates it. Go figure. Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: M94 Subject: Re: Kline Trink Wasser Date: 12 Oct 1995 00:38:05 BST > On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Joseph Burns wrote: > > > but everything except 'Kline Trink Wasser' I think is really excellent > stuff. > > What ? Kein Trinkwasser is my favorite Orbital-song. > > > Funny, that particular song seems kind of divisive, especially in regards > to the beginning piano part. I happen to love it and think it's > brilliant. My girlfriend Shannon (also a rabid Orbital fan and > list-poster) hates it. Go figure. > Jeff > I give it a big vote too, Its just brilliant the way it builds up, rather coldly and anesthetically with the piano introduction, to the point where those warm gorgeous deep thumping shapes come in. you just have to move with it, the release and joy is immense. I still get eyes-shut kind of ecstacy when that happens, its one of the best moments on the whole album. my other vote on the album goes to "Sad but true", the particular moment is about half way through the piece I think (I could hum it but it wouldnt work here anyway). -the remix "Sad but New" isnt as good as the original, though, seeing as it doesnt develop that motif, otherwise I would be in heaven... on the down side, I'm not so keen on "philosophy by numbers", its a bit too wordy for me, (and a bit pretentious?). In general, though I love the album. here's a question to all you out there. What do you think of "Underworld"? They are just as fantastic as Orbital in my opinion. - -Luke Emmet ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: monsterhead Subject: Re: Kline Trink Wasser Date: 11 Oct 1995 20:24:51 -0400 (EDT) responding to that question about underworld. if you mean the underworld that released "dirty epic" and "cowgirl" i think that they're crap. i bought that ep on tvt/waxtrax and threw it away. it was boring and terrible. over the summer i saw one of the videos and it was just as bad. but i don't think that you're a bad person for thinking that they're as good as orbital. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis M. Morales Jr." Subject: in the US... Date: 12 Oct 1995 01:42:01 -0500 (CDT) i dont know why i havent mentioned this earlier, but in the US, all the people call the first two Orbital albums "orbital 1" & "orbital 2" on the sleeve for the so called "brown album" it says orbital2, does it not on the european release? ====================================================================== dennis morales jr. internet://dmorales@engr.latech.edu http://www.latech.edu/~dmorales/ voice://318.251.3899 postal://201 e. arizona ave. #2, ruston LA 71270-5070 ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick davey Subject: [none] Date: 12 Oct 1995 11:03:09 BST oneski must be a damn good remix then. I think I liked the track Freezone anyway, it must have been one of the sparks of the album. I also don't appreciate underworld much, however their last single, born slippy was really quite exellent, as was one of the remixes. There was also a remix that I felt was apauling, and a cowgirl remix that held a good beat but little else. I know what you mean about imports, buying an import from holland that was made like practically down the road, and probably has never been to holland anyway. Some of these things are rife amoung record companies and shops alike. I suppose it makes a record look rare, or being able to release stuff without 'officially releasing' it. It's ususally a con anyway. Thanks for the info on remixes of 'Are we here?', someone mentioned the release of remixes by other people, in the U.S., if i've got my facts straight. Could anyone tell me which artists have remixed it, i'm interested to find out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: k.mahmood1@ic.ac.uk Subject: NO MORE MAIL PLEASE!!!! Date: 12 Oct 1995 12:59:57 bst Please DO NOT SEND any more mail to k.mahmood1@ae.ic.ac.uk Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Mccallum Subject: Re: underworld & are we here, rabbit in the moon? Date: 12 Oct 1995 07:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Cast my vote as pro-Underworld. I think they are best when they throw out the singing and keep the spoken word and vocoder, but I think, in general, _dubnobasswithmyheadman_ and the remixes of "Dirty Epic" and "Dark & Long" are smashing. Bjork's "Human Behaviour (Underworld Mix)" and William Orbit's "Water From A Vine Leaf (Underworld Mix 2)" are also good in my book. As far as the "Rabbit in the Moon" remixes of "Are We Here?", available on the US CD single, I was rather disappointed and actually sold back the US single and kept the UK single. The sticker on the US single calls them "exclusive ambient remixes", but I wouldn't call them ambient at all. Just dull and pointless, in my opinion. Yours, David ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Treacy Subject: Kein Trinkwasser Date: 12 Oct 1995 13:38:03 >On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Joseph Burns wrote: > >> but everything except 'Kline Trink Wasser' I think is really excellent stuff. > >What ? Kein Trinkwasser is my favorite Orbital-song. > I love it too which pisses my flatmate off. I'm sure I read somewhere that it was a ripoff of a track called Quality Seconds by The Young Gods. Anybody clarify ? Philip ====================================================================== Philip Treacy London UK - -- ptreacy@edscw.win-uk.net ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nuts@cix.compulink.co.uk (Tom Nuttall) Subject: Glasto Date: 12 Oct 1995 18:04 BST-1 >>How long have they be wearing those little things before? They had them >>when they played Glastonbury 1994... >> >>Tom >First of all, whoa, Glastonbury 94. I'm green with envy. Yup, that's rational:)) They were mind-blowing. >I have no idea how long they've been using those eyelights, but it must be >the superior way to knob twiddle in a dark room ... Not to mention increasing their style aura by several factors... Actually, I guess they are pretty useful. I've seen the bloke from Banca de Gaia wearing a big head-torch. Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nuts@cix.compulink.co.uk (Tom Nuttall) Subject: Underworld Date: 12 Oct 1995 18:04 BST-1 I think Underworld are doing great stuff; although a new album wouldn't go amiss. I'm off to see them at the Kentish Town Forum on the 28th of this month. Apparently they're amazing live. Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: abryan@goliath.pbac.edu (Anthony Bryan) Subject: Orbital in the US? Date: 12 Oct 1995 15:36:39 +0500 Hi, I've been away from the list for a while & was wondering if Orbital will be in the states any time in the near future? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: M94 Subject: Groce Under World Date: 12 Oct 1995 20:29:50 BST Rich asked me to forward this - -Luke - ----- Begin Included Message ----- From may@masadm1.mas.eurocontrol.be Thu Oct 12 13:58:44 1995 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: may@masadm1.mas.eurocontrol.be (Richard Mayer) Subject: Groce Under World Date: 12 Oct 1995 12:59:10 GMT regarding the mighty Underworld : Yes they are top !! definately on a par with Orbital but i feel they're a tad underrated. I suppose I'm biased a bit by my indie background - i'm a sucker for a nice bit of angry guitar work. Hence I almost shoot my load every time i hear Quality Seconds!! Did sb. say there's an extended mix of it? WHERE??!!!! But seriousley, i just love that dub like guitar sound of Underworld. I've only seen them live once (Leeds Megadog - feb 94) but they were excellent. I forget who else was on that night, it was the first time I'd heard Uw. and they blew me away. What do the anti-Uw. people think of the track on Diversions?? It was instantly my fav. track before i'd even paid any serious notice to the track listing. Imagine my suprise when i saw it was the Underworld mix ! Well, you can't. I wasn't - it said everything. As an aside (reply privately so as not to piss off those not interested), can any1 tell me the very latest Where-what-when-how-why-who-anything about underworld? ttfn, Rich - ----- End Included Message ----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick davey Subject: Too Much Underworld.... Date: 13 Oct 1995 09:52:50 BST Hi again, Why is everyone talking about underworld? I suppose I should include myself in that last statement. Well anyway, I went home yesterday and picked up, well located my copy of virtual state, and low and behold I played Freezone, which is actually quite good, however I have a vinyl copy and prefer it played at 45rpm. I then played oneski, and found no indication of any remix from the original. So that's how much I know. I've heard that soon they'll be another release of trance atlantic, this time vol 2. It features people like Felix de Housecat, obviously very trance......, the last remix I heard he was doing was of Diana Ross....., i Haven't however purchased the first Trance Atlantic as yet because it thought it looked kinda bad. If I was wrong and it's the best thing since sliced bread, i'm sorry. I was also bitterly dissapointed when I saw the line up of TEX4, which looked like and acid jazz/trip hop comp rather than a Trance comp. I suppose they're trying to put out womething that will appeal to a wide group of people so I shouldn't really moan. But people have suscribed to TEX as a musical magazine, which costs quite alot to subscribe to. Oh well got to go. Nick. E-mail P.S. has anyone heard of James Bernard/influx? No news on rainforest records? Thanks for the info on the Rabbit on the moon remixes of Are we Here? Are we here? Is there really a detroit scene? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ADAM BRASSEY Subject: Re: Kline Trink Wasser Date: 13 Oct 1995 11:54:03 GMT Date sent: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 20:24:51 -0400 (EDT) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: monsterhead Subject: Re: Kline Trink Wasser Date: 13 Oct 1995 11:54:03 GMT responding to that question about underworld. if you mean the underworld that released "dirty epic" and "cowgirl" i think that they're crap. i bought that ep on tvt/waxtrax and threw it away. it was boring and terrible. over the summer i saw one of the videos and it was just as bad. but i don't think that you're a bad person for thinking that they're as good as orbital. Hold on... The Dirty epic/ Cowgirl e.p. has some real gems on it... I am surprised you think they're crap, I think they have a good, original sound and the tune 'Rez' is a classic... It has to be said tho, Orbital are much better. -Adam. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jamesdp@dcs.gla.ac.uk (Darren) Subject: Some help please??? Date: 13 Oct 1995 15:17:14 +0500 Judging by the amount of messages post recently to this news list I would say that there are quite a few people having problems getting off this list. Why doesn't the owner or postmaster post instructions on how to get off this list?? I thought 'unsubscribe orbital' did the job but its not working...:( \|||/ (o o) +--------oOOO--------O---------OOOo--------+ oooO | Darren James | Oooo ( ) | This mail is sent by volume, not weight | ( ) \ \ |some settling of contents may have occured| / / \_) | E-mail : jamesdp@dcs.gla.ac.uk | (_/ +------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris.Hilker" Subject: Re: Too Much Underworld.... Date: 13 Oct 1995 08:24:00 -0700 (PDT) >Why is everyone talking about underworld? Welcome to idm lite. >bitterly dissapointed when I saw the line up of TEX4, which >looked like and acid jazz/trip hop comp rather than a Trance >comp. The TEX series has never had more than a few tracks in each issue that are actually trance. C. - -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) "I feel like I'm being electrocuted." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ryu" Subject: spring heel jack? Date: 13 Oct 1995 13:02:36 -0600 (CST) i know nothing about underworld, but while this is no longer an orbital-only mailing list, i'd like to cast my vote for SPRING HEEL JACK. they're new yet and not many people heard them. they've got an album called "there are strings" available as a uk import. i'd describe them as a cross between orbital and say....evolve now................opinions? if anyone's got any news at all about them, please mail it to me personally or on the list. love, ryu jwz109@psu.edu look for ryu in '97 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Mccallum Subject: Kraftwerk, Orbital, and the Politics of Dancing. Date: 13 Oct 1995 12:01:06 -0700 (PDT) I was reading an interview with Kraftwerk the other day where they stated that part of their message was to help listeners become more comfortable with technology. (To quit putting simulated woodgrain covers on electronic equipment, as they put it.) It got me thinking about the messages in Orbital's tracks. Sampled spoken word bits and vocals (on "Choice" and "Belfast/Wasted".) The interviewer in the Kraftwerk article was critical of Kraftwerk for sometimes glamorizing technology on tracks like "Neon Lights". Orbital, I feel, has escaped this. I am also glad that _Snivilisation_ is their most political work. Hopefully, a sign of things to come. Here is a rundown, with my thoughts, of Orbital's "message" tracks: Choice - Actually pretty standard radical left ranting. Is Crucifix the author of the lyrics? Very in-your-face. A cry for "Peace or Annihilation!" with no real message about what exactly peace is. (I think it is a nice companion to "Quality Seconds" from _Snivilisation_.) Somewhat Meat Beat Manifesto, Consolidated, Disposable Heroes of HipHoprisy. L.C.1. - Spoken word about a man thinking he was abducted by aliens, then rejected. I think, with "I Wish I Had Duck Feet" and "Philosophy by Numbers", it's one of their more humorous tracks. Belfast/Wasted - Nice New Order-esque vocals and lyrics. I see it as a (young) person not wanting to fit in with others, then somehow regretting the fact that his/her not wanting to fit in isn't understood or accepted by others. (It's my interpretation, of course. I would be very interested in what others think.) Impact (The Earth is Burning) - Abstract environmentalism. "It's a cry for survival!" (Euro Tunnel Disaster '94) - Political for it's title only. Forever - Again a leftist cry, but much more complex than "Choice". That the song is named "Forever" speaks volumes to me. Generally used in positive instances, as in "I'll love you forever", it adds a powerful hopelessness to this song. I Wish I Had Duck Feet - Very funny. A carny describing a freak show over a "saleswoman" promoting breast implantation. Gender makes this song interesting. If a female was describing the "freaks" and a man was talking about cosmetic surgery, the song wouldn't be half as powerful. Philosophy by Numbers - I'm still working on my thoughts on this one. Are We Here? - Very complex. "Are we (humans) unique?" "Are we here?" "What does God say?" Well, in my opinion, absolutely nothing and hasn't for hundreds of years. What is interesting is that we (the Brothers Hartnoll, included) still wonder what He/She would say. Then this (Jamaican?) cry about a nuclear bomb. More "What does God say?" Then some family talking about a lazy (young?) man living off his family. More "What does God say?" Very rich and thought-provoking. Like "Philosophy by Numbers", "Are We Here?" keeps me listening. Any thoughts on these would be appreciated, privately or to the group. It's funny that I draw a line from Kraftwerk to Orbital, but I really can't think of anyone in the Eighties doing very pure electronics, while aiming for an "organic" sound, with such subtly political messages in their music. If you made it this far in my post, congratulations! I'll be quiet now. Yours, David. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FRITZ KLIATCHKO COSTA Subject: Minimalist music / Kein Trink Wasser Date: 14 Oct 1995 15:52:40 -0700 (PDT) I decided to put in my two cents after reading several mail reguarding "Kein Trink Wasser." I'm currently taking a music class titled, "American Iconoclasts" here at San Francisco State. My profesor was talking about some of the pioneers of Minimalist music (ie: Steve Riech, Philip Glass), and its characteristics. Then I realized how Orbital uses Minimalist techniques, and "Kien Trink Wasser" is a good example. Then my profesor was mentioning how most Americans today are easily annoyed with this genre of music, instead of giving it a chance and appreciating it. As a foriegner studying in the States, I find it very ironic that Minimalist music originated here, but most Americans aren't willing to give it a chance. Look for these characteristics next time you listen to KTW: REDUCTIVE - uses minimal musical means (ie: they only use a couple of keys on the piano) REPETITIVE - no duh. Self explanitory. STEADY PULSE - same as above. GRADUAL UNFOLDING PROCESS - although they keep repeating the same piano keys, there's something unfolding in the background. Fritz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Bet Tee Subject: Re: Kline Trink Wasser Date: 15 Oct 1995 01:02:08 -0300 On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, ADAM BRASSEY wrote: > Hold on... The Dirty epic/ Cowgirl e.p. has some real gems on it... I > am surprised you think they're crap, I think they have a good, > original sound and the tune 'Rez' is a classic... > It has to be said tho, Orbital are much better. True - though I REALLY like Underworld's mix in Lush3-3 - I think it's brilliant next to Remind. As for Underworld's album, I also found it rather disappointing though it DOES have an original sound to it. I like the track Surfboy though - a great play of sounds and rhythms. - -James ====================================================================== James Tee _ // AMIGA University of Toronto ab795@ccn.cs.dal.ca \X/ Orbital - "Remind" Toronto, Ontario, Canada Homepage: http://ccn.cs.dal.ca/~ab795/Profile.html ====================================================================== W L ERA G GS SV IP H R ER HR BB SO David Cone 9 2 3.82 13 13 0 99.0 82 42 42 12 47 89 ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ST942572@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (James Samuel Heller Null) Subject: Re: Minimalist music / Kein Trink Wasser Date: 15 Oct 1995 01:14:06 -0400 > I decided to put in my two cents after reading several mail >reguarding "Kein Trink Wasser." > > I'm currently taking a music class titled, "American Iconoclasts" >here at San Francisco State. > > My profesor was talking about some of the pioneers of Minimalist >music (ie: Steve Riech, Philip Glass), and its characteristics. Then I >realized how Orbital uses Minimalist techniques, and "Kien Trink Wasser" >is a good example. > > Then my profesor was mentioning how most Americans today are >easily annoyed with this genre of music, instead of giving it a chance and >appreciating it. > > As a foriegner studying in the States, I find it very ironic that >Minimalist music originated here, but most Americans aren't willing to >give it a chance. > > Look for these characteristics next time you listen to KTW: > > REDUCTIVE - uses minimal musical means (ie: they only use a >couple of keys on the piano) > > REPETITIVE - no duh. Self explanitory. > > STEADY PULSE - same as above. > > GRADUAL UNFOLDING PROCESS - although they keep repeating the same >piano keys, there's something unfolding in the background. > > >Fritz In mentioning Philip Glass, I must mention that he arranged an Aphex single which is available as an import. As to the rest of this posting I must say I agree emphatically. The minimalistic yet extremely coherent and complex that many have cultivated (the formost being Orbital of course) is quite simply a beautiful thing. Peace, Harmony, and We'll Take Back The House In '96!!! James James Samuel Heller Null ST942572@pip.cc.brandeis.edu I. Be Like Your Ancestors Or Be Different. It Doesn't Matter. II. Lay A Million Eggs Or Give Birth To One. III. Wear Gaudy Colors Or Avoid Display. It's All The Same. IV. The Fittest Shall Survive Yet The Unfit May Live. V. We Must Repeat! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ADAM BRASSEY Subject: Re: Minimalist music / Kein Trink Wasser Date: 15 Oct 1995 17:57:58 GMT Date sent: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 01:14:06 -0400 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ST942572@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (James Samuel Heller Null) Subject: Re: Minimalist music / Kein Trink Wasser Date: 15 Oct 1995 17:57:58 GMT In mentioning Philip Glass, I must mention that he arranged an Aphex single which is available as an import. As to the rest of this posting I must say I agree emphatically. The minimalistic yet extremely coherent and complex that many have cultivated (the formost being Orbital of course) is quite simply a beautiful thing. A> If you take a look at the free CD with "Future Music" magazine there is an Aphex twin/ Glass song on it (as well as a damn fine Sunscreem song). Has anyone heard of a remix of Lush by Spooky? One of my friends has a copy of it, but it doesn't sound anything like Lush so I was wandering if he has got his facts straight. Oh yeah, one more thing... Chris Hikler tells people to look up any questions about Orbital releases on the Discography. I didn't mind seeing this the first time (people may not know about it) but someone did complain about the patronising way he wrote this. I have to piont out also that not everyone who has E-mail will have access to the WWW, it's different software. The people who write in with such questions may not be able to see the discography, therefore I hope he will take this into account next time he wants to be condesending. :P - -Adam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul <777@meme.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Orbital Mailing List Digest V1 #28 Date: 14 Oct 1995 21:58:36 -1200 Tom asked; >How long have they be wearing those little things before? They had them when >they played Glastonbury 1994... A loooong time... since their raving days, playing in fields around the M25 (London's "orbital" motorway, hence the name, fact fans). Probably four or five years. >Actually, I guess they are pretty useful. I've seen the bloke from Banca de >Gaia wearing a big head-torch. According to a letter in the new Future Music magazine, this is a Petzl Micro, made in France. Just thought I'd share that with you... 8-) Re: Underworld: Yes, they're fantastic. They take some getting into, but when you're there, boy do they rock. I love Cowgirl, Skyscraper I Love You and Rez for groovy stuff, while River of Bass is one of the greatest chill-out tracks ever made. But their best ever IMHO is the Born Slippy ep... fast and mad. Remix of the Chemical Bros is a bit too fast and furious to be effective, but I'm sure I'll get into it eventually. Check out their dub mix of Dreadzone's Captain Dread, it's excellent. Other info -- most of em used to be in weird Euro pop group Freur(the Doop of their generation), they do a lot of design stuff as Tomato (do a lot of record covers, make a shit load of money doing it) and do a lot of TV advertising themes (and make a serious amount of money). The guitarist once played live with the Eurythmics (!) and before Underworld they were a P-Funk / rock group that played well alll over America but the album never came out -- they through some devious dealings they got a record studio out of the company. Oh, and they've got Darren Emerson in them, who was a commodities broker in the City before his life was saved by acid house. >I'm off to see them at the Kentish Town Forum on the 28th of this month. >Apparently they're amazing live. I'm told that live, they really cut it. Like Orbital, they are more than capable of just jamming it live and around the time of MIDI circus, Orbital and Underworld planned to do a total live jamming thing, sync-ing up their computers, the lot. Never happened, but Underworld is keen on playing for like, six or seven hours. And keep up the interest too. They're the dog's bits in chicken soup, and I may well go see em later this month too. BTW, what do people think of Fluke? Hardfloor? And the new (rereleased) Josh Wink, Vinyl Blair and Self-Preservation Society 12"s? They sounded great on the radio... Paul 777 * A.I.N. * Turbulence PO Box 3641 London WC1N 3XX UK * Rise Up / Wise Up ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RonHHodges@aol.com Subject: No labels Date: 15 Oct 1995 21:04:38 -0400 I *finally* got a hold of an import version of Times Fly. I remember some references here to it as "Jungle". While I didn't really hear that, I did hear touches of Trip Hop and Acid House. But all this is pointless. If I was going to call this latest offering anything at all, I would simply call it "awesome". Ron Hodges It's Not The Fall That Kills You, It's The Sudden Stop. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick davey Subject: Lots of stuff. Date: 16 Oct 1995 09:52:30 BST Morning, afternoon, evening. Choose which ever suits you. Influx, yeah their great, nice and spacey, with a cool beat, and usually a good tune to boot. Well Influx is james Bernard, who has many projects on the go, and has released an ambient album called atmospherics, which has few beats, but often the tracks don't require it. It's on rising high recs, which puts out the secret life of trance comps, which stuff like syzygy, wagonchrist, influx, kibu, R.H.C., and pete namlook under assumed names often appear. I think it's pretty good, but it is very ambient, and needs alot of patience in getting into the scarceness. As for Hardfloor I think they're really cool. But then I'm a sukker for a 303 with spacey effects. Loads of their remixes are really good also. I have heard that they did a really good remix of A track on the new Baby Doc and the Dentist album. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick davey Subject: lots more cont. Date: 16 Oct 1995 10:23:01 BST Hi again... Hardfloor are on harthouse records, which has loads of good stuff on it. The harthouse U.K. label, which is released through Rising High, features marco zaffarano's 'Minimalism' Sequence of 12"'s from vol 1 to vol 4. So if you're interested in minimalism then try to pick them up. They are really cool, especially a track called supernova on vol 4. Josh Winks latest re-release is brilliant in my opion, but i Also like the richie Hawtin remix of 'Don't Laugh', which was equally as good. Philip Glass has always been cool, his orchestration of an early aphex stonker just goes to show this. AS for the Trance Europe Express, maybe they should change their name to Dance Europe Express. Tex3 however was getting more techno/trancey, and most of the tracks on TEX1 and 2, were either trance or techno, without any garage or trip hop or acid jazz, and only a few hardhouse/house tracks which were generally tops. About people asking for discographies, when people reply with info about releases, they often describe the tracks or add other info which is useful, a bare discography tells little accept the titles, labels and dates of releases. Saying that however, does anybody know where it is possible to get a disography of Oliver Lieb. The only info I can hrlp with over the Lush question, is that The U.K. C.D. single contains Lush 3-1, Lush 3-2, Lush 3-3 the underworld mix, Lush 3-4 the psychik warriers of Gaia mix, and Lush 3-5 the CJ Bolland mix. This was available as a a two part 12" set. I have never heard of the Spooky mix of it, however it is possible that lots of remixes of this sort were released through white labels or rare promos. I think that the lush single is one of the best things I have ever heard. Any info on the follwing would be gratefuly recieved: Nu Idol (E.A.R./Plink Plonk) Headman (Millenium) Intelligent records. Jammin' Unit and Walker - Air Liquide. Warp's next A.I. comp. Bye for now.... Nick. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Subject: Re: other releases to get Date: 16 Oct 1995 11:29:42 +0100 (BST) Please take me off this mailing system, there's too much mail! Thanks Steven ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RonHHodges@aol.com Subject: 777 Date: 16 Oct 1995 07:15:33 -0400 System 7 (aka 777 or System 7.3, due to the legal weasels at Apple Computer) has a new double CD called Fire and Water. More guitar oriented, but has some excellent stuff on it. Ron Hodges It's Not The Fall That Kills You, It's The Sudden Stop. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mr M S Shaw Subject: Spooky vs. Lush Date: 16 Oct 1995 12:59:24 +0100 (BST) > In mentioning Philip Glass, I must mention that he arranged an Aphex > single which is available as an import. As to the rest of this > posting I must say I agree emphatically. The minimalistic yet > extremely coherent and complex that many have cultivated (the formost > being Orbital of course) is quite simply a beautiful thing. The Track is called "Icct Hedral (Philip Glass Orchestration)", if memory serves, and is available on the domestic 12"/CD 'Donkey Rhubarb' (Warp 64?) > Has anyone heard of a remix of Lush by Spooky? One of my friends > has a copy of it, but it doesn't sound anything like Lush so I was > wandering if he has got his facts straight. I think you'll find that it's a remix of the dodgy second rate indie chancers Lush, as opposed to the gorgeous Orbital track of the same name. Sorry if this guy got your hopes up...but as spooky are preety ace too, check it out. Also, try listeningto Stereo, on the Stereo ep by Spooky for that similar- to-orbital-but-not-copyist vibe, and also pentatonik's Credo, played at 45rpm instead of 33. It rocks! Marky Mark - -Meanie Meanie Meanie Say What? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Barker Subject: Re: Minimalist music / Kein Trink Wasser Date: 16 Oct 1995 16:02:57 +0100 > Has anyone heard of a remix of Lush by Spooky? One of my friends > has a copy of it, but it doesn't sound anything like Lush so I was > wandering if he has got his facts straight. What your friend probably has, is an album by the band Lush called "Spooky". Lush are a sort of spaced out indie band, which is why it doesn't sound like Orbital. Hope that helps Chris sssig ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jamesdp@dcs.gla.ac.uk (Darren) Subject: TEX 4 Date: 16 Oct 1995 16:36:01 BST >>bitterly dissapointed when I saw the line up of TEX4, which >>looked like and acid jazz/trip hop comp rather than a Trance >>comp. > >The TEX series has never had more than a few tracks in each issue that >are actually trance. > TEX4 I thought was brilliant. It is an acurate complilation of underground/ trance music today, with loads of material by current artists such as Miss DJax, Acid Junkies, etc who are definatly NOT acid jazz/trip hop, as neither are the other 20 or so tracks on this album. There is an excellent trance compilation out at the moment but I really can't remember the full title. Its something like 'Underground Trance Vol 1' or something. \|||/ (o o) +--------oOOO--------O---------OOOo--------+ oooO | Darren James | Oooo ( ) | This mail is sent by volume, not weight | ( ) \ \ |some settling of contents may have occured| / / \_) | E-mail : jamesdp@dcs.gla.ac.uk | (_/ +------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris.Hilker" Subject: Re: 777 Date: 16 Oct 1995 08:45:16 -0700 (PDT) >System 7 (aka 777 or System 7.3, due to the legal weasels at Apple Computer) >has a new double CD called Fire and Water. More guitar oriented, but has >some excellent stuff on it. Their US name has nothing to do with Apple. There was already a band in the US called System 7. They have a new album due soonish (by the end of the year, I think) - the Fire and Water albums have been out for a year now. C. - -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) "I feel like I'm being electrocuted." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: 777 Date: 16 Oct 1995 09:58:51 -0600 (MDT) > System 7 (aka 777 or System 7.3, due to the legal weasels at Apple Computer) > has a new double CD called Fire and Water. System 7 are called 777 in the US because of another band called System 7, not becuase of Apple Computer. (This is straight from Hillage's mouth; check his web pages at http://www.easynet.co.uk/pages/system7/sys7.htm.) - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: P A D Norris Subject: [none] Date: 16 Oct 1995 17:07:54 -0400 (EDT) On the subject of Phillip Glass i'd like to say that I think 'Icct Hedral' is also avaliable on the Twin's latest album 'I Care because you do...' I don't own a copy because i'm just a poor student, but I recommend it very highly. Peter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: P A D Norris Subject: We're here are we? Date: 16 Oct 1995 17:03:42 -0400 (EDT) With reference to David Mccallum's post of 13/10 I would say that I aggree with most of your interpretations, the one for Belfast was particularly well founded I thought. I would give my own opinion on 'Philosophy' but I need more time to listen to and think about it. (Maybe i'll come up with something in a couple of years!, It's too deep a track to come up with something on the spot). Getting to the point, I have some of my own Ideas about Are We Here (I expect everyone does). I think the main point or message of the track is that we, as humans have no proof of and can only make conjecture's about our existance. It comes down to the 'Brain in a Jar' scenario again. You could be a brain floating about in a jar and your entire life could just be information fed to you by aliens or whatever. You would have absolutly no way of finding out. Because of this unknown factor, you could say that life as we know it is a total load of rubbish and that our lives are in fact just the thoughts of some unknown, unthought of entity.(I'm sorry if this is getting a bit bizarre for everyone). Also, I can't formulate a decent reason for the (Jamaican?) shouting "Why do you want the nuclear attack?" (or WTTE). Seeing as the track is called Are We Here? you could say that if you took time to be non-linear and then wiped each other out in a nuk war, then we would cease to exist in the future and in the past. But the past and future don't exist in a non-linear existance, so we would just cease to be. We would become a non-event.(wrap ya head round that one). Right I think I'll shut-up now. Any other thoughts on this would be appreciated, privately or via the group. BA! Peter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ryu" Subject: RE: Date: 16 Oct 1995 12:34:33 -0600 (CST) In message Mon, 16 Oct 1995 17:07:54 -0400 (EDT), P A D Norris writes: > On the subject of Phillip Glass i'd like to say that I think 'Icct Hedral' > is also avaliable on the Twin's latest album 'I Care because you do...' > > I don't own a copy because i'm just a poor student, but I recommend it > very highly. > > Peter. > it is, but i don't think mr. glass colaborated on that version. there are also interviews with james and glass in the new future music, which by the way is the best music mag on all sides of the globe. love, ryu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Goethe Subject: Re: 777 Date: 16 Oct 1995 12:48:13 -0700 (PDT) On Mon, 16 Oct 1995 RonHHodges@aol.com wrote: > System 7 (aka 777 or System 7.3, due to the legal weasels at Apple Computer) > has a new double CD called Fire and Water. More guitar oriented, but has > some excellent stuff on it. There was some discussion about the problems with using System 7 in the US on the ambient list and the reason ended up being that there is apparently a band in the US called System 7....has nothing to do with Apple computers...otherwise why would they be allowed to use the name in the UK? (There are Apple computers there too.) T. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Burns Subject: Spooky vs Lush Date: 16 Oct 1995 17:09:47 -0400 (EDT) to whomever it was that slagged off Lush as dodgy indie types, you need to get out more.... there's more to life than techno. Lush is a 4AD band that's been doing pretty interesting things with rather 'cocteau-esque' soundscapes and textures and putting them into more standard pop-song formats and occasionally mixing it with a little bit of 'girl-angst' (pardon the gross generalization there but I can't think of a better term).... No you probably cant dance to it but you can't rave all the time. the spooky mix is of a song called 'undertow' and its on the 'hypocrite' single. and it happens to be pretty amazing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis M. Morales Jr." Subject: Jamaicans... Date: 16 Oct 1995 22:37:01 -0500 (CDT) since there has been alot of recent refrences to the "Jamaican" sample in "Are We Here", i find it kind of neat where that sample comes from. for those of you who dont know, the sample is from a song (which i do not know the name of, because our vocalist is a fan) by an English Ska (i could be misspelling 'ska', so dont ream me (ive noticed alot of reaming by the know it alls of this list)) band called The Specials. i would like to know if there is a compilation of "Orbital samples -- and where they come from", and if not, i would be interested in putting one together, so that means if you know where a sample is from, post to newsgroup, or to me privately, and i will put a list together. we can work this all to specifics like not only that the "Mobius" vocal clip was from Lt. Worf on Star Trek:TNG, but what episode, etc. Our vocalist has noticed a couple more "Specials" samples, that i cannot name now because i cant remember... & the number of Star Trek samples, new and old, are astounding. Orbital2 (sorry, the brown album) is covered in them. any postings about this would be tops. ====================================================================== dennis morales jr. internet://dmorales@engr.latech.edu http://www.latech.edu/~dmorales/ voice://318.251.3899 postal://201 e. arizona ave. #2, ruston LA 71270-5070 ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis M. Morales Jr." Subject: Re: We're here are we? Date: 16 Oct 1995 22:41:13 -0500 (CDT) > formulate a decent reason for the (Jamaican?) shouting "Why do you > want the nuclear attack?" (or WTTE). Seeing as the track is called Are I am positively sure the Jamaican says "Warning, Warning, nuclear attack" ====================================================================== dennis morales jr. internet://dmorales@engr.latech.edu http://www.latech.edu/~dmorales/ voice://318.251.3899 postal://201 e. arizona ave. #2, ruston LA 71270-5070 ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MarkT@bartley.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: 777 Date: 16 Oct 1995 13:39:11 +0100 How different is this CD to the original "System 7" one? I expected great things from this after seeing the collaborators and hearing a techno remix of one of their songs, but the album seems very experimental and badly put together. Some of the riffs are great, but I didn't think the mix between the guitar solos, Seal-like lyrics, rap, and ambient techno worked too well. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hary J Walsh Subject: Jamaicans... Date: 17 Oct 1995 09:46:37 +0100 >>>>> "Dennis" == Dennis M Morales writes: Dennis> this all to specifics like not only that the "Mobius" vocal Dennis> clip was from Lt. Worf on Star Trek:TNG, but what episode, Dennis> etc. The two vocal samples on the album are from Worf and Jordi. They are from the episode 'cause and effect'. I saw an orbital web page once claim they were from some other episode. If it is disputed here I'll root out proof. - -- Hary J Walsh / hwalsh@drlove.ilo.dec.com / +353 91 754169 Digital Equipment International, Galway, Ireland. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Subject: Re: Jamaicans... Date: 17 Oct 1995 10:20:53 +0100 (BST) > i would like to know if there is a compilation of "Orbital samples -- and > where they come from", > i would be interested in putting one together, > --------------------------------------------------------- > dennis morales jr. internet://dmorales@engr.latech.edu > http://www.latech.edu/~dmorales/ voice://318.251.3899 > postal://201 e. arizona ave. #2, ruston LA 71270-5070 > --------------------------------------------------------- > There was one on an unofficial Orbital Web page, BUT The Hartnolls asked the site owner to remove them, their reason was ( I can't remember their exact words ) if everyone should know their samples you would remove thier musics uniqueness!!!! To be honest I agree, although there is nothing to stop you from researching their samples, but I feel you should keep this knowledge to yourself and not publish the list!!! Of course the decision is yours!! Jason............................... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick davey Subject: [none] Date: 17 Oct 1995 10:42:21 BST >Is there really a detroit scene? Yes, and I partied with most of it all weekend. Cool. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: may@masadm1.mas.eurocontrol.be (Richard Mayer) Subject: Re: Spooky vs Lush Date: 17 Oct 1995 10:03:57 GMT I know it's bad practise to copy a message just to say "I agree"... So I'll just copy the salient point >to whomever it was that slagged off Lush as dodgy indie types, you need >to get out more.... I almost wrote a very similar mail, myself although didn't, only because, although I quite like them, I'm not such an avid Lush fan (as Chris Barker). NTL I agree entirely with Chris's sentiments, in general, and felt i should just add my two penneth worth, lest Chris gets a slagging for it. ttfn, Rich ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: P A D Norris Subject: Aphen Twix Date: 17 Oct 1995 11:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Re: Various peoples post. Yeah, the Icct Hedral edit on 'I Care' is far too dynamic for a James/Glass collaboration. That phase-shifting is really wild. Now everyone comes to mention it, I think I have seen that Glass interview in FM. I reckon there was also one in Melody Maker or the NME.(I thought this was supposed to be an Orbital Mailing list?) ;-) Peter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Byrne Subject: Samples Date: 17 Oct 1995 12:11:45 BST > > > There was one on an unofficial Orbital Web page, BUT The Hartnolls > asked the site owner to remove them, their reason was ( I can't > remember their exact words ) if everyone should know their samples > you would remove thier musics uniqueness!!!! To be honest I agree, > although there is nothing to stop you from researching their samples, > but I feel you should keep this knowledge to yourself and not publish > the list!!! > Of course the decision is yours!! > > Jason............................... > > I thought one reason given was that apparently there are people acting as "sample hunters" tracking down uncleared samples and reporting them to the sample's source for financial gain - this makes such a list of samples an unwise move. It's a shame because playing spot the sample is fun and a discussion on various samples and their sources might be quite interesting - but alas it's not to be Mike On the Aphex/Glass issue I read the interview with them in the NME back in August (I think). It had a piccy of the twin's letter to Philip Glass which was quite funny. But I guess this isnt too relevant to Orbital. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Subject: Orbital V Lush Date: 17 Oct 1995 14:45:07 +0100 (BST) > From: may@masadm1.mas.eurocontrol.be (Richard Mayer > Subject: Re: Spooky vs Lush > > >to whomever it was that slagged off Lush as dodgy indie types, you need > >to get out more.... > > I almost wrote a very similar mail, myself although didn't, only because, > although I quite like them, I'm not such an avid Lush fan (as Chris > Barker ) I seem to remember that orbital remixed a Lush song, and I seem to remember they wiped the tapes n' started from scratch ( well it sounded like it anyway ).................. Jason............................ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark@commotion.com (Mark Rudholm) Subject: Re: Jamaicans... Date: 17 Oct 1995 10:05:55 -0700 > From: Hary J Walsh > > >>>>> "Dennis" == Dennis M Morales writes: > > Dennis> this all to specifics like not only that the "Mobius" vocal > Dennis> clip was from Lt. Worf on Star Trek:TNG, but what episode, > Dennis> etc. > The two vocal samples on the album are from Worf and Jordi. They are > from the episode 'cause and effect'. I saw an orbital web page once > claim they were from some other episode. If it is disputed here I'll > root out proof. Are you sure it wasn't from the episode entitled "The Mobius"? - -Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Thorne Subject: Re: Orbital Samples Date: 17 Oct 1995 11:41:00 PDT Being the hopeless sample spotter that I am here are a couple that I can identify: "Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day" - is from the movie Whithnail and I (I think I spelled that title right). "OOOOOLLLAAAAAA" - from the song of the same title. There is a musical version of War of the Worlds with Richard Burton, and the sound that the giant martian machines make sounds VERY much like the sound from the song (although it's spelled "Ulla" in the record's read-along liner notes). I even went back to check the record and tried sampling it myself because I was so surprised (It's weird to hear samples from obscure stuff like that, especially condsidering I loved that record as a kid and I didn't think anybody else had ever heard it). "...The funny thing about regret is..." - from the beginning of Satan is from a Butthole Surfers song (I'm not sure which one though) That's all I can think of right now, I sure I missed a bunch (just imagine the volumes you could write sample spotting someone like Meat Beat though). Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: 777 Date: 17 Oct 1995 13:16:15 -0600 (MDT) > How different is this CD to the original "System 7" one? Fairly. Details are available in the System 7 discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Discographies.html ftp://ftp.swcp.com/pub/users/lazlo/discographies/ mailto:lazlo@swcp.com (with Subject: GET DISCOGRAPHY SYSTEM.7) - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nuts@cix.compulink.co.uk (Tom Nuttall) Subject: Re:Orbital Samples Date: 17 Oct 1995 21:46 BST-1 The film is actually 'Withnail and I':) Ride used the same sample in their track 'Cool Your Boots'. And the Butthole Surfers song in question is 'Sweet Loaf', which was in effect a straight lift from Black Sabbath's 'Sweet Leaf'. Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: xylt@karkis.canit.se (Daniel Anderson) Subject: Re: Date: 17 Oct 1995 18:12:43 CET >On the subject of Phillip Glass i'd like to say that I think 'Icct Hedral' is >also avaliable on the Twin's latest album 'I Care because you do...' >I don't own a copy because i'm just a poor student, but I recommend it >very highly. >Peter. But the version of 'Icct Hedral' on the album is not the Glass-orchestration, it's the original Aphex-version. ___________________________________________________________________________ __ __ ___ ___ ____ __ ____ ___ ___ ______ __ _ |_ |_| _|___` | _/___| |-___| _/---| | | -___/_| |_|/_ `--' `--^-------^-------^-------^-------^-------^--' `--^--' `--' Xyltburk - - I'm a modemer and I'm OK. I post all night and I sleep all day. ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Bass Subject: Warning, warning... Date: 18 Oct 1995 08:06:59 -0400 (EDT) > "Dennis M. Morales Jr." wrote: > > those of you who dont know, the sample is from a song (which i do not > know the name of, because our vocalist is a fan) by an English Ska (i > could be misspelling 'ska', so dont ream me (ive noticed alot of reaming > by the know it alls of this list)) band called The Specials. > > I am positively sure the Jamaican says "Warning, Warning, nuclear attack" Right on both counts. The song is "The Man From G & A" (not positive abou the initials, though), and he _is_ saying "Warning, Warning, nuclear attack". Great band, the Specials! So, does anyone know where the sample "It's a CRY...for SURVIVAL" comes from? David - -- ====================================================================== David Bass | Live by faith, SAS Institute, Documentation Development | not by sight. sasdgb@sas.com | (919) 677-8000, ext. 5682 | (2 Cor 5:7) ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: Orbital Samples Date: 18 Oct 1995 08:33:17 -0500 (CDT) Ok, the Star trek episode in question was "Cause and Effect." It's the one where the Enterprise is caught in a temporal causality loop and repeatedly collides with the USS Bozeman. Seen it. :-) Oolaa, and I've checked on this one, is the name of the green-skinned dancing girl in Return of The Jedi. If you wathc the scene where she's dropped into the pit and devoured by the monster, you'll hear that the screams as she's eaten are the ones sampled at the beginning of the song. There ya go. =----------------------------Eric Oehler-------------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =----------------------------------------------------------------------= "Space..." - Patrick Stewart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: marmoset@conch.aa.msen.com (Dave Walker) Subject: indie remixes [irrelavant to Orbital, as usual] Date: 18 Oct 1995 11:32:52 -0400 Mr M S Shaw said: >Anyway, possibly the best remix of indie types is the Reload remix of slowdive. >Worth a listen. Spooky (again!) also carved up Chapterhouse quite nicely. Global Commnication did a much better job of Chapterhouse carving [hmm, is that anything like Thanksgiving dinner?] on the _Pentamerous Metamorphosis_ mini-LP. IMO, of course. - -- dave walker, detroit art services _ marmoset@conch.aa.msen.com born freeke Dave Walker ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mr M S Shaw Subject: wasting more space Date: 18 Oct 1995 19:00:40 +0100 (BST) > >Anyway, possibly the best remix of indie types is the Reload remix of slowdive. > >Worth a listen. Spooky (again!) also carved up Chapterhouse quite nicely. > > Global Commnication did a much better job of Chapterhouse carving > [hmm, is that anything like Thanksgiving dinner?] on the > _Pentamerous Metamorphosis_ mini-LP. > > IMO, of course. Dave, you'se the man! If I'd remembered, I would have put that down. It's the tops(personal pref: Alpha) Marky Mark _We really don't have any idea about what's going on. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mr M S Shaw Subject: Humbled Date: 18 Oct 1995 18:55:16 +0100 (BST) > OK... not to indulge in a flame war... but this can be a meaningful > discussion IFF we don't let personal opinion and taste get in the way of > talking about music (which is near impossible, but it IS possible to talk > about and describe tastes with out being prejoritive!) > > > I never found the cocteaus that inspiring > absolutely! But you have to place what these 'indie' bands are > doing in context. In the context of merely repeating history, of never reaching beyond themselves, history or mediocraty? > > Anyway, if you want REAL angst, try listening to GOD, > > Godflesh, Spanking Young Lad, Skinny Puppy, or better yet, Joy Division. > 'Real angst'.... I'm sorry did you mean 'goth angst'? there's a real > difference. > > >Face it, Lush (the band) can never excite like orbital, never move you > like the > Tindersticks, never speak to you like New Order. > > this is about the most obnoxious thing somebody can say on a > music list. I can do worse > Especially because in the electronic forum nobody can see how > high the soapbox is that you are so precariously perched upon. If you > have musical preferences talk about why you think they are amazing and > the gospel truth that you seem to think they are. Have I touched a nerve? Are you, by any chance, A Lush Fan? >Don't try preaching and > saying things like FACE IT, or NEVER, etc etc. Sorry about that. You do have a genuine point here. I never use expressions such as 'face it' normally, and perhaps a bit of reflection might have prevented me from doing so. To everyone who thinks that was preachy, I apologise. > ... but I guess that's the problem with radio djs who think they can mold > the tastes of the world, and perahps why the majority of things on the > radio are so disappointing. I think you'll find that I'm not a radio Dj but an actual one. And is John Peel a bad radio DJ? I seem to remember him playing a couple of Orbital tracks over the years...;o> > I never 'flame' tastes or preferences. I simply objected to the way you > are quick to dismiss something you aren't interested in as 'bad' dodgy' > et al I'm not actually that interested in either Spanking Young Lad or Skinny Puppy, and I could give you many reasons as to why. They were merely examples, not to be interpreted as gospel. And what do Godflesh and God have to do with Goth? Very little, if I remember rightly. Perhaps they are a little extreme in their stance, but they do not express the pseudo-angst so beloved of Nine Inch Nails. And please don't dismiss this coment as yet more ego-rampant sneering-I am actually a fan of NIN; nonetheless, I understand why so many people dismiss them. I was less than friendly to Lush as I feel that they lack Artistic merit, as well as the ability to touch people. Ian Curtis died over fifteen years ago; I still cry every time I hear Atmosphere. Will Lush have this effect? I feel that there are only two kinds of music-good and bad. Okay, I don't have the right to define what other's listen to-that is fascism- and nor would I be listened to or accepted if I did. I admit, subjectively, that Lush are the second rate chancers I take them for. There are worse bands, and there are better bands. Speaking Objectively... do they really deserve anything more than passing acknowledgement? This is an excellent forum for debate (as long as no-one gets too pedantic over the content of this list...), and most people will have an opinion on this. What does everyone else think? Marky Mark - -False Media. We don't really need it, do we? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mr M S Shaw Subject: Humbled Date: 18 Oct 1995 18:55:16 +0100 (BST) > OK... not to indulge in a flame war... but this can be a meaningful > discussion IFF we don't let personal opinion and taste get in the way of > talking about music (which is near impossible, but it IS possible to talk > about and describe tastes with out being prejoritive!) > > > I never found the cocteaus that inspiring > absolutely! But you have to place what these 'indie' bands are > doing in context. In the context of merely repeating history, of never reaching beyond themselves, history or mediocraty? > > Anyway, if you want REAL angst, try listening to GOD, > > Godflesh, Spanking Young Lad, Skinny Puppy, or better yet, Joy Division. > 'Real angst'.... I'm sorry did you mean 'goth angst'? there's a real > difference. > > >Face it, Lush (the band) can never excite like orbital, never move you > like the > Tindersticks, never speak to you like New Order. > > this is about the most obnoxious thing somebody can say on a > music list. I can do worse > Especially because in the electronic forum nobody can see how > high the soapbox is that you are so precariously perched upon. If you > have musical preferences talk about why you think they are amazing and > the gospel truth that you seem to think they are. Have I touched a nerve? Are you, by any chance, A Lush Fan? >Don't try preaching and > saying things like FACE IT, or NEVER, etc etc. Sorry about that. You do have a genuine point here. I never use expressions such as 'face it' normally, and perhaps a bit of reflection might have prevented me from doing so. To everyone who thinks that was preachy, I apologise. > ... but I guess that's the problem with radio djs who think they can mold > the tastes of the world, and perahps why the majority of things on the > radio are so disappointing. I think you'll find that I'm not a radio Dj but an actual one. And is John Peel a bad radio DJ? I seem to remember him playing a couple of Orbital tracks over the years...;o> > I never 'flame' tastes or preferences. I simply objected to the way you > are quick to dismiss something you aren't interested in as 'bad' dodgy' > et al I'm not actually that interested in either Spanking Young Lad or Skinny Puppy, and I could give you many reasons as to why. They were merely examples, not to be interpreted as gospel. And what do Godflesh and God have to do with Goth? Very little, if I remember rightly. Perhaps they are a little extreme in their stance, but they do not express the pseudo-angst so beloved of Nine Inch Nails. And please don't dismiss this coment as yet more ego-rampant sneering-I am actually a fan of NIN; nonetheless, I understand why so many people dismiss them. I was less than friendly to Lush as I feel that they lack Artistic merit, as well as the ability to touch people. Ian Curtis died over fifteen years ago; I still cry every time I hear Atmosphere. Will Lush have this effect? I feel that there are only two kinds of music-good and bad. Okay, I don't have the right to define what other's listen to-that is fascism- and nor would I be listened to or accepted if I did. I admit, subjectively, that Lush are the second rate chancers I take them for. There are worse bands, and there are better bands. Speaking Objectively... do they really deserve anything more than passing acknowledgement? This is an excellent forum for debate (as long as no-one gets too pedantic over the content of this list...), and most people will have an opinion on this. What does everyone else think? Marky Mark - -False Media. We don't really need it, do we? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mr M S Shaw Subject: wasting more space Date: 18 Oct 1995 19:00:40 +0100 (BST) > >Anyway, possibly the best remix of indie types is the Reload remix of slowdive. > >Worth a listen. Spooky (again!) also carved up Chapterhouse quite nicely. > > Global Commnication did a much better job of Chapterhouse carving > [hmm, is that anything like Thanksgiving dinner?] on the > _Pentamerous Metamorphosis_ mini-LP. > > IMO, of course. Dave, you'se the man! If I'd remembered, I would have put that down. It's the tops(personal pref: Alpha) Marky Mark _We really don't have any idea about what's going on. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nuts@cix.compulink.co.uk (Tom Nuttall) Subject: Re: Look before you leap Date: 18 Oct 1995 21:33 BST-1 >I never found the cocteaus that inspiring-MBV, Disco Inferno, Ash and PWEI >are much more my thing. Aaargh - the Cocteaus are amazing! I've never heard anyone create soundscapes in the way they do - some of their stuff is simply breathtaking, especially compared to bog-standard indie types like Ash. >but playing a couple ofguitars, a bass and some drums isn't that inspiring >any more. It can be - there are plenty of bands out there doing interesting stuff in a traditional setup. Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nuts@cix.compulink.co.uk (Tom Nuttall) Subject: Re: Look before you leap Date: 18 Oct 1995 22:51 BST-1 >I never found the cocteaus that inspiring-MBV, Disco Inferno, Ash and PWEI >are much more my thing. Aaargh - the Cocteaus are amazing! I've never heard anyone create soundscapes in the way they do - some of their stuff is simply breathtaking, especially compared to bog-standard indie types like Ash. >but playing a couple ofguitars, a bass and some drums isn't that inspiring >any more. It can be - there are plenty of bands out there doing interesting stuff in a traditional setup. Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Willoughby Subject: Re: wasting more space Date: 18 Oct 1995 18:50:56 -0700 Wait, I thought Reload WERE Global Communication? Orbital content: just how complete is the discography, anyway? I'm always reading letters from folks on this list who've heard a great Orbital remix that I didn't know about from reading the discography... > marmoset@conch.aa.msen.com (Dave Walker) > >Anyway, possibly the best remix of indie types is the Reload remix of > >slowdive. Worth a listen. Spooky (again!) also carved up Chapterhouse quite > >nicely. > > Global Commnication did a much better job of Chapterhouse carving > [hmm, is that anything like Thanksgiving dinner?] on the > _Pentamerous Metamorphosis_ mini-LP. > > IMO, of course. Dave, you'se the man! If I'd remembered, I would have put that down. It's the tops(personal pref: Alpha) Marky Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick davey Subject: [none] Date: 19 Oct 1995 09:55:17 BST Hello Again, Lately I've been recieving a load of messages saying I think this remix of an Indie band is better than that remix, cause the one you like is terrible etc...., Why not just state the remixes you like, and why you like them, and try to be positive instead of creating a war. Some people like electronic music more than indie music, so respect their views. It is true that many Techno and Ambient artists have done remixes , and sometimes these remixes work and other times they are not so sucessful. The bands involved also have fans, sometimes these fans like the remixes and sometimes they don't. I also think it is going a little to far to say that the guitar, bass and drum set up is outdated, true you can get a lot of sounds and versitility via computers, synths and drum machines, not to menton 303's and little black boxes, but a guitar can be plugged into a computer, syntthed, and they have peddles that distort, flange, make wierd sounds too. If you think of it a good techno track has a beat, a bassline then effects on top. Even a tune sometimes. I can see how only one person can sit in a room and create amazing tracks on a computer, but so can a man with a guitar and a fourtrack sometimes. People get off on different sounds so respect them for it, and in turn they'll respect you. Got to go... Nick. P.S. If you like cool trance check out the new Man with no Name ep out now on perfecto records. It only has two almost 7 min tracks on it, which may seem a little expensive, but it's really really good. And can someone tell me who's big in Detroit at the moment. Dj's and vinyl. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: P A D Norris Subject: Global Communication Date: 19 Oct 1995 11:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Re: > marmoset@conch.aa.msen.com (Dave Walker) > >Anyway, possibly the best remix of indie types is the Reload remix of > >slowdive. Worth a listen. Spooky (again!) also carved up Chapterhouse quite > >nicely. > > Global Commnication did a much better job of Chapterhouse carving > [hmm, is that anything like Thanksgiving dinner?] on the > _Pentamerous Metamorphosis_ mini-LP. > > IMO, of course. Global Communication are Reload, Link and the Jedi Knights (I think, correct me if i'm wrong). Peter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: P A D Norris Subject: Jarre?. Date: 19 Oct 1995 11:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Re: >Marky Mark > >_We really don't have any idea about what's going on. Is this a quote of a quote from Jarre's Huston gig? Peter. - -He plays some great, great tunes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RonHHodges@aol.com Subject: Fwd: 777 vs. System 7 Date: 19 Oct 1995 07:07:49 -0400 Thank you for correcting this misunderstanding. I believe I read that in a review of their previous album (I think it was in Rolling Stone, so, there you go). Ron Hodges It's Not The Fall That Kills You, It's The Sudden Stop ====================================================================== Forwarded message: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lazlo@swcp.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Fwd: 777 vs. System 7 Date: 19 Oct 1995 07:07:49 -0400 > System 7 (aka 777 or System 7.3, due to the legal weasels at Apple Computer) > has a new double CD called Fire and Water. System 7 are called 777 in the US because of another band called System 7, not becuase of Apple Computer. (This is straight from Hillage's mouth; check his web pages at http://www.easynet.co.uk/pages/system7/sys7.htm.) - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Burns Subject: re: Indie v techn and other stories Date: 19 Oct 1995 09:53:35 -0400 (EDT) thanks Nick for a more peacable note and cooling my jets a little. Basically I don't think we're here to say this suck and that doesn't. I am much more interested in hearing people put a little discriptive power behind what they like or din't like about different musics. Sure 'there are good bands and there are bad bands', but I don't think anybody can say or claim that one doesn't touch another person's life. Michel Bolton may be giving his listeners somewhere the chils and making them weep at the profundity of his artistic soul (though I can't imagine...) anyway, the point is I doubt that Micheal Bolton fans read this list (if so fire away) But I would bet a lot of 'indie' afficianados do (and judging by the amount of collaboration between 'indie' and 'techno' artists, I think its one area we should either fill in the 'passing recognition' whe nwe have info to share, or not bother with denegrating the 'empirical value' or talent of a band. It'd be like deriding Phish at a Grateful Dead show... anyway, nuff said on that one... but I do have a few questions for Marky Mark: what exactly is a 'real dj' and how are they different from fake dj's? also, Ian Curtis died and I cried. But you know what... the misunderstood artists have been doing that gig forever. I'm not slagging old Ian or anything, but what I'm getting at here (and I think it has something to do with our dissagreement over characterizing goth etc.) is how much of the singer becomes the song? and how much does that/should that matter? Trent Reznor can mix his music in the Manson house. FSOL can broadcast live over ISDN lines from a hidden source. KLF can hold massive tribal gatherings on deserted scottish islands. And some other artist can never leave his basement and be intravenously fed on sheep placentas but what about the music? and do those sheep placentas really come through in the music? Maybe it is all posturing. Maybe we never will escape the icon of the 'rock star', but there are two things here. Either you are trapped by it, or you move on. Personally Ian's death never struck me the way Vincent's did, but I suppose that's onether story. Will Lush's music have the same effect as Ian's. No because they are two totally different things with intricate layers of subtelty and shortcoming to them both. Finally I don't think the activities of djs, whether they be real, fake or bbc broadcasted is any justification for taste. Its only the priveledged rantings of a boy with sophisticated electronic equiptment ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: wasting more space Date: 19 Oct 1995 10:53:27 -0600 (MDT) > Orbital content: just how complete is the discography, anyway? I'm always > reading letters from folks on this list who've heard a great Orbital remix > that I didn't know about from reading the discography... It's as complete as I can make it; I don't get information direct from the Hartnolls so I don't find out about the mixes they do for other folks until everyone else does, at which point I add them. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mr M S Shaw Subject: I wouldn't let it lie. Date: 19 Oct 1995 18:22:30 +0100 (BST) > > thanks Nick for a more peacable note and cooling my jets a little. Yeah,hopefully this will be my last rant for a while too. Sorry if I've caused any offence to anyone, but we seem to reaching some sort of compromise/ conclusion here. > Basically I don't think we're here to say this suck and that doesn't. I > am much more interested in hearing people put a little discriptive power > behind what they like or din't like about different musics. > Sure 'there are good bands and there are bad bands', but I don't think > anybody can say or claim that one doesn't touch another person's life. > Michel Bolton may be giving his listeners somewhere the chils and making > them weep at the profundity of his artistic soul (though I can't > imagine...) anyway, the point is I doubt that Micheal Bolton fans read > this list (if so fire away) But I would bet a lot of 'indie' afficianados > do (and judging by the amount of collaboration between 'indie' and > 'techno' artists, I think its one area we should either fill in the > 'passing recognition' whe nwe have info to share, or not bother with > denegrating the 'empirical value' or talent of a band. It'd be like > deriding Phish at a Grateful Dead show... So we should apologise for and accept the mediocre, because someone somewhere likes it? We should congratulate those with no merit for fear of offending others? If this is your point, then why listen to music at all?Why not just listen to sounds for the effects they provide? Michael Bolton may touch people, but it's for all the wrong reasons-money, power, prestige. Sure, even the groups we like are capable of that (WHY did Orbital donate a track to the makers of Mortal Kombat?Because it reflected their ideological stance..?) But where has Michael Bolton produced any thing of true value? > what exactly is a 'real dj' and how are they different from fake dj's? I was trying toplay this down_I am priveleged to work as a club DJ here at the University, on a number of musically diverse nights. I was attempting to say that despite any preconceptions people have of DJ's, I'm not like that-I genuinely care about the music I listen to. > also, Ian Curtis died and I cried. But you know what... the misunderstood > artists have been doing that gig forever. I was four years old when Ian Curtis died. I never heard a Joy Division record until about four years ago, and didn't learn the history of the group until later.It's the song that moves me, not the life of the writer, not the evolution of the group after his death, not even the tremendous grief felt by his wife-this moves me in another way.The point is, the song is so powerful, so utterly life shattering and reforming. The death gig isn't the point at all. > Trent Reznor can mix his music in the Manson house. FSOL can broadcast > live over ISDN lines from a hidden source. KLF can hold massive tribal > gatherings on deserted scottish islands. And some other artist can never > leave his basement and be intravenously fed on sheep placentas but what > about the music? and do those sheep placentas really come through in the > music? No artistic product exists within a vacuum. It is a product of a specific time and culture,and reflects,in some part, the characteristics of that time and culture. This is one of the first and most important concepts of Art theory. Please don't dismiss it lightly. > Either you are trapped by it, or you move on. See above. This was never about iconography,this was about music. I dislike Lush subjectively because they hold no appeal,and I dislike them objectively because they have never produced anything of any worth. > Personally Ian's death never struck me the way > Vincent's did, but I suppose that's onether story. Will Lush's music have > the same effect as Ian's. No because they are two totally different > things with intricate layers of subtelty and shortcoming to them both. There's no need for me to repeat my dislike for Lush- that is documented elsewhere. But once again, Why accept second best?Nonetheless,I'm glad that you've managed to defend yourself over this-I'm actually going to listen to Lush again,and try to appreciate whatyou see in them. If they arouse this much passion,perhaps I can be persuaded to re-evaluete them. And I'm not ashamed to admit my ignorance. Vincent who? > Finally I don't think the activities of djs, whether they be real, fake > or bbc broadcasted is any justification for taste. Then why bring it up? The reason I mentioned it in passing was to indicate it was no justification for taste. > Its only the priveledged rantings of a boy with sophisticated electronic equiptment What does that have to do with anything? I thought we were trying to discuss music and merit, not whether my access to a couple of Decks makes me a moron. Getting personal doesn't prove a point,it gets in the way of intelligent discussion. Which,up to now,Ithought we had acheived. By the way,Idon't think 'quality seconds' is very good. Ho ho ho ho ho ho ho oh my god. Sigh. Marky Mark - -I don't like Country & Western.I don't like rock music. I don't like, I don't like Rockabilly. Rock'n'roll in particular. I don't like much, really, do I? But what I do like, I love passionately ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mr M S Shaw Subject: Close,but no cigar. Date: 19 Oct 1995 18:28:06 +0100 (BST) Peter wrote: > >_We really don't have any idea about what's going on. > > Is this a quote of a quote from Jarre's Huston gig? It's actually a vocal sample from Autechre's rather excellent"Basscadet, available on the album "Incunabula" or any of the myriad remixes available. > -He plays some great, great tunes. Let's not start that again...;o> (Sorry to post twice in one day) Marky Mark - -I'll be hre for my baby. For my baby I'll be here. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: marmoset@conch.aa.msen.com (Dave Walker) Subject: corrections, somewhere in the D, non-Orbital Date: 19 Oct 1995 14:37:10 -0400 Firstly, watch the attributions, folks. Two of the posts I'm excerpting here quote me as saying things I never typed. Anyway... Brian Willoughby says: > Wait, I thought Reload WERE Global Communication? Peter Norris says: > Global Communication are Reload, Link and the Jedi Knights (I think, > correct me if i'm wrong). Yes, and this is, I believe, common knowledge. The posts preceding this mentioned Reload remixes of _Slowdive_ and GC remixes of _Chapterhouse_ (hence the separate mentions). And Orbital mixes of neither (hmm, perhaps a trend forming?) Anyway... Nick Davey asks: > And can someone tell me who's big in Detroit at the moment. > Dj's and vinyl. Drop by the 313 list [mail majordomo@hyperreal.com s*bscribe 313] and we'll be happy to talk (and trainspot) your ears off. :) - -- dave walker, detroit art services _ marmoset@conch.aa.msen.com born freeke Dave Walker ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nuts@cix.compulink.co.uk (Tom Nuttall) Subject: Ash etc. Date: 19 Oct 1995 20:30 BST-1 >>Aaargh - the Cocteaus are amazing! I've never heard anyone create >>soundscapes in the way they do - some of their stuff is simply >>breathtaking, especially compared to bog-standard indie types like Ash. >I know Ash are bog-standard-this is why they hold much appeal. I would never >claim that they are a great or even a good band, I merely like their energy >and youthful exuberance. Hmmm. I just find it boring. They may have energy, but then so do hundreds of other young up-and-coming indie types. They all blend into one for me, I must say - both in terms of their music and they way they are presented. >Considering a lot of the bands that come here seem to be a singer and a >couple of Session musicians in tow, a bit of spiky nonsense is appreciated. Well, I perceive that we've already got plenty of it, but I guess that's where we differ:) >In the same way, I can understand why someone would like Lush-I just >wouldn't claim that they're greater than they are. And the bit about the >Cocteaus is unfair, I haven't heard as much as I'd like. Sorry about jumping >the gun. :) Don't worry. Just let me recommened 'Heaven and Las Vegas' - a stunning album. What have you heard, BTW? >> It can be - there are plenty of bands out there doing interesting stuff in >> a traditional setup. > I was being sarcastic here, but I do agree-as long as band tries to strive > for originality, to look beyond the limitations of what they have and what > they know, if they reach deeper and look further, then interesting stuff > gets done. Yup - I like to feel that an act is attempting to actually add something new to music as a whole, not just exist purely as a symbolism of their culture, although I guess that can be valuable as well. >"Cannonball" by the Breeders is just one idea of thousands that >springs to my mind, or "Debaser" by the Pixies (Yes, I like 4AD), Shellac's >"Il Porno Star", The Jesus and Mary Chains'... The Pixies, definitely, and I'd also add Jane's Addiction for starters:) Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nuts@cix.compulink.co.uk (Tom Nuttall) Subject: Guitars and stuff Date: 19 Oct 1995 20:30 BST-1 >>>but playing a couple ofguitars, a bass and some drums isn't that inspiring >>>any more. >>It can be - there are plenty of bands out there doing interesting stuff in >>a traditional setup. >How come I've never heard them? I'm sure you have... Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: I wouldn't let it lie. Date: 19 Oct 1995 14:19:48 -0600 (MDT) >> Sure 'there are good bands and there are bad bands', but I don't think >> anybody can say or claim that one doesn't touch another person's life. > > So we should apologise for and accept the mediocre, because someone > somewhere likes it? We should congratulate those with no merit for fear > of offending others? Nobody's asking you to apologize, accept, or congratulate Michael Bolton. But do you think you could manage to just *ignore* Michael Bolton? > If this is your point, then why listen to music at all? Uh, because I enjoy it? The music I like is in no way diminished by the existance of the music I don't like, so I really don't see the point in getting worked up about the junk -- I have better ways to spend my energy. > I dislike Lush subjectively because they hold no appeal,and I dislike > them objectively because they have never produced anything of any worth. The latter might be more accurately phrased as "they have never produced anything I've valued". There is no such thing as "objective worth". - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul <777@meme.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: 777 and R We Hir? Date: 18 Oct 1995 23:16:43 -1200 Hmph... bastards. I was there first. I should have copyrighted 777... The Jamaican voice sample from Are We Here is the glorious Sir Horace Staples, the awesome toaster / MC in classic neo-Ska band The Specials. It's from their second album, and it's called "Man In Grey" I think... he's saying "Warning warning nuclear attack!" The original is a booming, scary dub number. The chorus has Terry Hall singing "I'm the man in grey/I'm the man at C&A/And I don't have a say/in the wargames that they play" in such a deadpan voice that it's totally cool. Obviously relevant to Are We Here, especially with the "Remember Earth Clearly" slogans they flash on the screens live. The Hartnolls would have been listening to the Specials in their mid-to-late teens / early twenties along with, apparently, the Dead Kennedies. I just yesterday watched the tape of them doing it at Glastonbury last year -- that sample and those drums are mad! Feel the funk Paul 777 Paul 777 * A.I.N. * Turbulence PO Box 3641 London WC1N 3XX UK * Rise Up / Wise Up ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ambient@netcom.com (Joe Rice) Subject: Re: Minimalist music / Kein Trink Wasser Date: 19 Oct 1995 17:18:17 -0800 At 7:02 AM 10/16/95, Chris Barker wrote: >> Has anyone heard of a remix of Lush by Spooky? One of my friends >> has a copy of it, but it doesn't sound anything like Lush so I was >> wandering if he has got his facts straight. > >What your friend probably has, is an album by the band Lush called >"Spooky". Lush are a sort of spaced out indie band, which is why it >doesn't sound like Orbital. > >Hope that helps > >Chris > >sssig I remember seeing a single by Lush that had a Spooky remix on it about a year and a half ago. This may be what he's referring to. Joe (:Joe Rice:__________:tic-tac@psychoactive.com:__________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis M. Morales Jr." Subject: samples samp... Date: 19 Oct 1995 22:14:58 -0500 (CDT) i seemed to have received 2 differing opinions on compiling and publishing the locations of orbital "samples". ive taken what each side has had to say and decided to compile a list for myself, and for the people who are interested in having it. when i have something substancial, ill post to the group about the "list", and then those who want it can contact me via email. i suggest, however, that whomever knows what sample is from where or if you come across something that strikes your ear cause youve heard it somewhere else, TO POST IT! ASK ABOUT IT!, even if it might be "obvious" to others... keep this list growing, i think it is facinating. thank all the people who have contributed to the sample compilation, ive learned a thing or two recently. it makes you want to track down "Man In Grey" to hear the orbital sample, and maybe to appriciate or get introduced to artists youve never given much attention to, or never heard of. later on and on and on. ====================================================================== dennis morales jr. internet://dmorales@engr.latech.edu http://www.latech.edu/~dmorales/ voice://318.251.3899 postal://201 e. arizona ave. #2, ruston LA 71270-5070 ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lhorner@eyupduck.u-net.com (Lee Horner) Subject: Chime is eurocheese Date: 20 Oct 1995 17:06:28 -0000 I was having an argument recently, down the pub on a Saturday night, with a friend who also likes Orbital and is also on this list (you know who you are). Basically, the conversation went like this: Me: I think Chime is eurocheese. Friend: Oh no its not. Me: Oh yes it is..... In my opinion (this is only my opinion, I do not claim to sit in judgment) Chime is an example of eurocheese at it's best, i.e. simple and addictive pop music. Don't get wrong, I'm not critising Chime in any way, I love it. I listen to a lot of 'serious' music (Eno, Michael Nyman, Sabres, Autechre etc.) but sometimes the annoying simplicity of Chime just blows me away. Any thoughts? Lee ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: P A D Norris Subject: Sorry, my mistake... Date: 19 Oct 1995 11:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Yeah ,OK the 'Jamaican'(?) says 'warning warning', Alright. Bloody well stop going on about it!. Peter. >:-[ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: P A D Norris Subject: Jarre?. Date: 19 Oct 1995 11:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Re: >Marky Mark > >_We really don't have any idea about what's going on. Is this a quote of a quote from Jarre's Huston gig? Peter. - -He plays some great, great tunes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: P A D Norris Subject: Global Communication Date: 19 Oct 1995 11:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Re: > marmoset@conch.aa.msen.com (Dave Walker) > >Anyway, possibly the best remix of indie types is the Reload remix of > >slowdive. Worth a listen. Spooky (again!) also carved up Chapterhouse quite > >nicely. > > Global Commnication did a much better job of Chapterhouse carving > [hmm, is that anything like Thanksgiving dinner?] on the > _Pentamerous Metamorphosis_ mini-LP. > > IMO, of course. Global Communication are Reload, Link and the Jedi Knights (I think, correct me if i'm wrong). Peter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RonHHodges@aol.com Subject: Fwd: 777 vs. System 7 Date: 19 Oct 1995 07:07:49 -0400 Thank you for correcting this misunderstanding. I believe I read that in a review of their previous album (I think it was in Rolling Stone, so, there you go). Ron Hodges It's Not The Fall That Kills You, It's The Sudden Stop ====================================================================== Forwarded message: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lazlo@swcp.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Fwd: 777 vs. System 7 Date: 19 Oct 1995 07:07:49 -0400 > System 7 (aka 777 or System 7.3, due to the legal weasels at Apple Computer) > has a new double CD called Fire and Water. System 7 are called 777 in the US because of another band called System 7, not becuase of Apple Computer. (This is straight from Hillage's mouth; check his web pages at http://www.easynet.co.uk/pages/system7/sys7.htm.) - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: P A D Norris Subject: Sorry, my mistake... Date: 19 Oct 1995 11:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Yeah ,OK the 'Jamaican'(?) says 'warning warning', Alright. Bloody well stop going on about it!. Peter. >:-[ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: P A D Norris Subject: Jarre?. Date: 19 Oct 1995 11:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Re: >Marky Mark > >_We really don't have any idea about what's going on. Is this a quote of a quote from Jarre's Huston gig? Peter. - -He plays some great, great tunes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RonHHodges@aol.com Subject: Fwd: 777 vs. System 7 Date: 19 Oct 1995 07:07:49 -0400 Thank you for correcting this misunderstanding. I believe I read that in a review of their previous album (I think it was in Rolling Stone, so, there you go). Ron Hodges It's Not The Fall That Kills You, It's The Sudden Stop ====================================================================== Forwarded message: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lazlo@swcp.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Fwd: 777 vs. System 7 Date: 19 Oct 1995 07:07:49 -0400 > System 7 (aka 777 or System 7.3, due to the legal weasels at Apple Computer) > has a new double CD called Fire and Water. System 7 are called 777 in the US because of another band called System 7, not becuase of Apple Computer. (This is straight from Hillage's mouth; check his web pages at http://www.easynet.co.uk/pages/system7/sys7.htm.) - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: P A D Norris Subject: Global Communication Date: 19 Oct 1995 11:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Re: > marmoset@conch.aa.msen.com (Dave Walker) > >Anyway, possibly the best remix of indie types is the Reload remix of > >slowdive. Worth a listen. Spooky (again!) also carved up Chapterhouse quite > >nicely. > > Global Commnication did a much better job of Chapterhouse carving > [hmm, is that anything like Thanksgiving dinner?] on the > _Pentamerous Metamorphosis_ mini-LP. > > IMO, of course. Global Communication are Reload, Link and the Jedi Knights (I think, correct me if i'm wrong). Peter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: P A D Norris Subject: Jarre?. Date: 19 Oct 1995 11:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Re: >Marky Mark > >_We really don't have any idea about what's going on. Is this a quote of a quote from Jarre's Huston gig? Peter. - -He plays some great, great tunes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: P A D Norris Subject: Global Communication Date: 19 Oct 1995 11:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Re: > marmoset@conch.aa.msen.com (Dave Walker) > >Anyway, possibly the best remix of indie types is the Reload remix of > >slowdive. Worth a listen. Spooky (again!) also carved up Chapterhouse quite > >nicely. > > Global Commnication did a much better job of Chapterhouse carving > [hmm, is that anything like Thanksgiving dinner?] on the > _Pentamerous Metamorphosis_ mini-LP. > > IMO, of course. Global Communication are Reload, Link and the Jedi Knights (I think, correct me if i'm wrong). Peter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RonHHodges@aol.com Subject: Fwd: 777 vs. System 7 Date: 19 Oct 1995 07:07:49 -0400 Thank you for correcting this misunderstanding. I believe I read that in a review of their previous album (I think it was in Rolling Stone, so, there you go). Ron Hodges It's Not The Fall That Kills You, It's The Sudden Stop ====================================================================== Forwarded message: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lazlo@swcp.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Fwd: 777 vs. System 7 Date: 19 Oct 1995 07:07:49 -0400 > System 7 (aka 777 or System 7.3, due to the legal weasels at Apple Computer) > has a new double CD called Fire and Water. System 7 are called 777 in the US because of another band called System 7, not becuase of Apple Computer. (This is straight from Hillage's mouth; check his web pages at http://www.easynet.co.uk/pages/system7/sys7.htm.) - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: P A D Norris Subject: Sorry, my mistake... Date: 19 Oct 1995 11:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Yeah ,OK the 'Jamaican'(?) says 'warning warning', Alright. Bloody well stop going on about it!. Peter. >:-[ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: P A D Norris Subject: Jarre?. Date: 19 Oct 1995 11:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Re: >Marky Mark > >_We really don't have any idea about what's going on. Is this a quote of a quote from Jarre's Huston gig? Peter. - -He plays some great, great tunes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: P A D Norris Subject: Global Communication Date: 19 Oct 1995 11:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Re: > marmoset@conch.aa.msen.com (Dave Walker) > >Anyway, possibly the best remix of indie types is the Reload remix of > >slowdive. Worth a listen. Spooky (again!) also carved up Chapterhouse quite > >nicely. > > Global Commnication did a much better job of Chapterhouse carving > [hmm, is that anything like Thanksgiving dinner?] on the > _Pentamerous Metamorphosis_ mini-LP. > > IMO, of course. Global Communication are Reload, Link and the Jedi Knights (I think, correct me if i'm wrong). Peter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jarskymm@tuns.ca (Matthew Jarsky) Subject: new orbital / old orbital Date: 21 Oct 1995 01:48:44 -0300 Am I the only Orbital fan who feels they are fans of the band only because= we know what they are capable of (ie the brown album, Diversions) rather= than what they have actually produced of late (Times Fly or even, dare I= say it, Snivilisation)? (Same question re: Orb??) To me, their new, more minimal sound has lost the richness, the punchiness,= even melodiousness of their earlier work. I know that the Hartnolls are= musicians, free to develop and explore as they please. I don't think they= ought to be straightjacketed by the expectations of their fans, but I= really miss the old stuff, and I haven't found any other bands to fill the= gap. (Except maybe Resistance D. Any other ideas would be appreciated.) This message came from Matt. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RonHHodges@aol.com Subject: Fwd: 777 vs. System 7 Date: 19 Oct 1995 07:07:49 -0400 Thank you for correcting this misunderstanding. I believe I read that in a review of their previous album (I think it was in Rolling Stone, so, there you go). Ron Hodges It's Not The Fall That Kills You, It's The Sudden Stop ====================================================================== Forwarded message: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lazlo@swcp.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Fwd: 777 vs. System 7 Date: 19 Oct 1995 07:07:49 -0400 > System 7 (aka 777 or System 7.3, due to the legal weasels at Apple Computer) > has a new double CD called Fire and Water. System 7 are called 777 in the US because of another band called System 7, not becuase of Apple Computer. (This is straight from Hillage's mouth; check his web pages at http://www.easynet.co.uk/pages/system7/sys7.htm.) - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Cerman Subject: Re: new orbital / old orbital Date: 21 Oct 1995 00:03:13 -0600 (MDT) Nope, you're not the only one. I feel the same way about Orbital, Moby, others, and techno in general. The new stuff is interesting, but I'm really just being patronizing because of past works. On Sat, 21 Oct 1995, Matthew Jarsky wrote: > Am I the only Orbital fan who feels they are fans of the band only > because we know what they are capable of (ie the brown album, > Diversions) rather than what they have actually produced of late (Times > Fly or even, dare I say it, Snivilisation)? (Same question re: Orb??) > To me, their new, more minimal sound has lost the richness, the > punchiness, even melodiousness of their earlier work. I know that the > Hartnolls are musicians, free to develop and explore as they please. I > don't think they ought to be straightjacketed by the expectations of > their fans, but I really miss the old stuff, and I haven't found any > other bands to fill the gap. (Except maybe Resistance D. Any other ideas > would be appreciated.) Dan Cerman decerman@ouray.cudenver.edu [PGP] http://www.cudenver.edu/~dcerman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick davey Subject: [none] Date: 19 Oct 1995 09:55:17 BST Hello Again, Lately I've been recieving a load of messages saying I think this remix of an Indie band is better than that remix, cause the one you like is terrible etc...., Why not just state the remixes you like, and why you like them, and try to be positive instead of creating a war. Some people like electronic music more than indie music, so respect their views. It is true that many Techno and Ambient artists have done remixes , and sometimes these remixes work and other times they are not so sucessful. The bands involved also have fans, sometimes these fans like the remixes and sometimes they don't. I also think it is going a little to far to say that the guitar, bass and drum set up is outdated, true you can get a lot of sounds and versitility via computers, synths and drum machines, not to menton 303's and little black boxes, but a guitar can be plugged into a computer, syntthed, and they have peddles that distort, flange, make wierd sounds too. If you think of it a good techno track has a beat, a bassline then effects on top. Even a tune sometimes. I can see how only one person can sit in a room and create amazing tracks on a computer, but so can a man with a guitar and a fourtrack sometimes. People get off on different sounds so respect them for it, and in turn they'll respect you. Got to go... Nick. P.S. If you like cool trance check out the new Man with no Name ep out now on perfecto records. It only has two almost 7 min tracks on it, which may seem a little expensive, but it's really really good. And can someone tell me who's big in Detroit at the moment. Dj's and vinyl. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oakley@pointblank.com Subject: MEANINGLESS! Date: 21 Oct 1995 02:30:02 +0500 I have been gone for a few days, and WHAT THE HELL IS EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT????? Never before have i seen more nerds on a list before headed up by Mr. LAZLO who told someone that "he has better things to do with his time" well, from the looks of it, all you EVER do is write on this list, and promote your own stupid web page!!! SHUT UP! Go make your little discographies and shut the **** up! Props to Jason for being the only one worth reading. Of course, Jason rhymes with MASON!@@@ Back to the beat...... Todd Terry in all time effect.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Flynn Subject: Losing It?/Kraftwerk/Spot the sample. Date: 22 Oct 1995 00:18:46 +1000 (EST) My first post to this list...hi everyone. I do not believe Orbital are "losing it". Snivilisation is not as immediate as the earlier works, but it has got DEPTH.Plus the tunefulness of it gets you in the end.And Keine Trink Wasser is one of the best tracks.I've been listening to Orbital since Satan, BTW, and I've got all the major releases and most of the minor ones. To the person comparing Orbital to Kraftwerk, I think this is totally valid, I believe they are the two best exponents of what I would probably refer to as electronic beat music. (BTW, I got the phrase beat music from a documentary about the Beatles, where a musicologist described the Beatles as the first group to give beat music some artistic integrity.) I LOVE playing spot the sample.The question is, does anyone have an authoratitive source for the voice saying "Are we unique, are we something UTTERLY special..." on the track Are We Here? It sounds like an Australian accent to me. In fact, it sounds very much like one of the=20 interviewers on a music show on Australian TV in the 1980s called Beatbox. The one thing that makes me question this theory is that I can't imagine such an obscure piece of audio popping up on something as internationally fabulous as an Orbital LP.. jonathan flynn =DA=C4=C4=C4=C4= =DC=DC=DC=DC=DC jjf@ozemail.com.au =B3 =DB=DB=DB= =DB=DB =B3 =DB=DB=DB= =DB=DB =C0=C4=C4=C4=C4= =DF=DF=DF=DF=DF ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mr M S Shaw Subject: Endsville Date: 21 Oct 1995 15:19:36 +0100 (BST) Tom wrote: > >I know Ash are bog-standard-this is why they hold much appeal. I would never > >claim that they are a great or even a good band, I merely like their energy > >and youthful exuberance. > Hmmm. I just find it boring. They may have energy, but then so do hundreds of > other young up-and-coming indie types. They all blend into one for me, I must > say - both in terms of their music and they way they are presented. I just like the fact that a)they're all around 18; b)they supported PWEI a year or so ago; and c)everybody dances to "Girl from Mars" when I play it on a monday. It's the stuff like Menswear I can't stand(oh god please let everyone hate Meanswear I cannot do this again). > >In the same way, I can understand why someone would like Lush-I just > >wouldn't claim that they're greater than they are. And the bit about the > >Cocteaus is unfair, I haven't heard as much as I'd like. Sorry about jumping > >the gun. > > :) Don't worry. Just let me recommened 'Heaven and Las Vegas' - a stunning > album. What have you heard, BTW? Not enough, judging from everyone's response-I'll listen to more. Promise! > >> It can be - there are plenty of bands out there doing interesting stuff in > >> a traditional setup. > > I was being sarcastic here, but I do agree-as long as band tries to strive > > for originality, to look beyond the limitations of what they have and what > > they know, if they reach deeper and look further, then interesting stuff > > gets done. > Yup - I like to feel that an act is attempting to actually add something new > to music as a whole, not just exist purely as a symbolism of their culture, > although I guess that can be valuable as well. Wow! Empathy! > >"Cannonball" by the Breeders is just one idea of thousands that > >springs to my mind, or "Debaser" by the Pixies (Yes, I like 4AD), Shellac's > >"Il Porno Star", The Jesus and Mary Chains'... > > The Pixies, definitely, and I'd also add Jane's Addiction for starters:) Wow! Empathy Squared! A> You are just one man in millions. What you like and dislike are your personal choices. You cannot evaluate music fairly because you have your OWN taste, therefore, calling music mediocre because you dislike it isn't really fair. But mediocre music exists. Getting away from the subject of Lush, it is possible (I think) to apply certain critiques to music/Art in order to qualify their worth/value. Otherwise, every single Van Gogh did of his nob while bored in school lessons aged six (ok, Maybe..) would be declared the work of genius. I was trying to get away from dislike (as impossible as this may be) and towards objective evaluation. Unfortunately, it has probably appeared that I'm imposing my tastes at the expense of others. Sorry, but that wasn't my aim. >I work as a club DJ here at the University, on a number of musically diverse nights. I was attempting to say that despite any preconceptions people have of DJ's, I'm not like that-I genuinely care about the music I listen to. A> This is all your opinion. It doesn't proove Lush are shit. A> Again, in whose eyes??? See above. I'm actually going to listen to Lush again,and try to appreciate what you see in them. If they arouse this much passion, perhaps I can be persuaded to re- evaluete them. And I'm not ashamed to admit my ignorance. A> You probably still won't like them. Even if one of my mates really loved eating pickled onions and made me try one again, I'd still probably throw up on him after eating it... taste is taste and people's taste differ. Arse. Are you telling me that at the moment of your conception you were able to evaluate any item or artefact from any race, time or culture? No. Tastes change, people change. The world changes. If it didn't, we would all be talking about nursery rhymes. We've matured and evolved, and will continue to do so (Ha! I didn't like pickled onions as a child, and now I do nyah nyah nyah ;o>). The reason I mentioned it in passing was to indicate it was no justification for taste. A> The world's a strange place... True. Getting personal doesn't prove a point,it gets in the way of intelligent discussion. Which,up to now,Ithought we had acheived. A> Hold on... all your evaluation of Lush has been a personal one, if you try and make out that your personal opinion is law then expect this, you are putting yourself in the firing line. *Sigh*... I was trying to get away from the personal. By the way,Idon't think 'quality seconds' is very good. Ho ho ho ho ho ho ho oh my god. A> Erm... it's a good "WAKE UP!!!" song for when you've got too stoned or summink! ;P This was a joke. A joke. A funny. A gag. A laugh. Une blague. Not a serious comment. An amusing diversion. Oh dear. There, I hope you understand why that bloke got stroppy with you now. You can continue to criticise his musical taste, but don't be surprised if he doesn't understand your view. Hey...thanks... Really, thanks to everyone who has participated in this discussion. Maybe it has bored you to tears but I gat something out of it. I've also made my peace with Joe, so we can all get back to Orbital related topics. For example, I saw the JZL(?) Bacardi remix 12" of chime for @0 pounds sterling yesterday, but didn't buy it. At that price, should I have done so? Lazlo: Has there been this much traffic before? Marky Mark (If someone asked, i chose this moniker to avoid confusion with another Mark who subsribes to the PWEI list) - -There was me, that is Alex, and my three droogs, that is Pete, Georgie and Dim. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jarskymm@tuns.ca (Matthew Jarsky) Subject: Re: new orbital / old orbital Date: 21 Oct 1995 12:14:44 -0300 To Mr. Cerman and others, What was it about the years 1992 through '94 that made them so great for tec= hno? In North America we had the See the Light Tour (Moby, Orbital, Aphex Twin= and DJ Tim from Utah Saints on one bill), the brown album, Smokelbelch II,= some really good Bjork remixes, and on and on. I never thought of myself as= the kind of person to harken back to days of yore and I certainly never= expected to be talking about a date as recent as 1994 in that way, but give= me the Aphex of Selected Ambient Works 1 over today's lucid dreaming,= analog synth-cobbling, purveyor of treble-heavy harshness any day. It seems most techno bands that play live still incorporate crushing bass= and danceability (not that these are the necessary attributes of great= techno) into their music for the live crowd even if their recorded= offerings have begun to scrimp on these attributes. As an example I cite= the Orb. They're not the greatest example, because their albums were never= very danceable, but the Orb show I took in in Toronto this past June was= WILD. Why can't they and other techno exponents at least release remixes= which capture something of their live energy? It would make me so happy! >On Sat, 21 Oct 1995, Dan Cerman wrote: Nope, you're not the only one. I feel the same way about Orbital, Moby,=20 >others, and techno in general. The new stuff is interesting, but I'm=20 >really just being patronizing because of past works. This message came from Matt. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Burns Subject: Re: new orbital / old orbital Date: 21 Oct 1995 12:14:04 -0400 (EDT) alas the troubles of ground breaking work... (ala Orbital and Orb) they developed a formula that nobody else had, it worked really well... and sometimes formula becomes a straightjacket... so they try to apply it it different ways and it just doesn't translate sometimes. I agree that there was something about old Orbital (and Orb) that made me want to listen to it again and again, and there's something about new Orbital/Orb that makes me resistant to putting the disc in... though once I do I am pleased... what is it what is it. Maybe its because Madonna has released a 'trance' song... once she's done something the scene is over... just kidding ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ivar van Duuren Subject: Re: new orbital / old orbital Date: 21 Oct 1995 19:34:58 +0100 (MET) Hi Matthew, > Am I the only Orbital fan who feels they are fans of the band only > because we know what they are capable of (ie the brown album, > Diversions) rather than what they have actually produced of late (Times > Fly or even, dare I say it, Snivilisation)? (Same question re: Orb??) I guess you're not the only fan who feels that way but I do disagree with you... I think the brown album is nice, but I really LOVE Snivilisation. It's really the best cd I've ever heard, and I even think I could live the rest of my life with no other music than Snivilisation. Not that I intend to do so, of course ;-) Greetings, Ivar ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jarskymm@tuns.ca (Matthew Jarsky) Subject: [none] Date: 21 Oct 1995 18:33:56 -0300 >Hi Matthew, > >> Am I the only Orbital fan who feels they are fans of the band only >> because we know what they are capable of (ie the brown album, >> Diversions) rather than what they have actually produced of late (Times >> Fly or even, dare I say it, Snivilisation)? (Same question re: Orb??) > >I guess you're not the only fan who feels that way but I do disagree with >you... I think the brown album is nice, but I really LOVE Snivilisation. >It's really the best cd I've ever heard, and I even think I could live >the rest of my life with no other music than Snivilisation. Not that I >intend to do so, of course ;-) > >Greetings, > Ivar Ivar, You're lucky. I really, really wish I could get into Snivilisation in the same way I got into the brown album. By the way, how do you think Diversions rates compared to these two, or does it? This message came from Matt. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jarskymm@tuns.ca (Matthew Jarsky) Subject: [none] Date: 22 Oct 1995 19:03:41 -0300 Ivar, Diversions rocks! Actually most of it rocks. It contains one slow track (which is also very= good) "Semi-detached". However it also contains, I think, four mixes of= Lush: the Euro-Tunnel Disaster '94 mix (this track is mixed into another= track from the brown album, I could go get the disc to find out which one, = but I'm not in the mood), a Psykick Warriors ov Gaia mix, a C.J. Bolland= mix, and my favourite (at the moment), the Underworld mix. This last track= reworks the original on an epic scale. The sound is huge. I have to say= that I rarely listen to Diversions at low volumes, it is at its best when= played really loud. You may want to bear this in mind if you are listening= on your cozy little pair of headphones. (I am a bit embarrassed about= posting this article, because I am sure I've messed up on the track= listing. I hope no one takes it personally.) Let me know what you think. This message came from Matt. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ST942572@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (James Samuel Heller Null) Subject: Josh Wink Date: 22 Oct 1995 23:39:02 -0400 Hey one and all, To those of you in the boston area who didn't come out for Josh Wink on Thursday night missed a bloody treat. Besides the fact that his intros, switches, and mixes are beyond belief, he made a snappy sample of Orbital's Chime. It really was a brillant show, I can't remember the last time I was that excited. Catch him if you can..........Later, James. James Samuel Heller Null ST942572@pip.cc.brandeis.edu I. Be Like Your Ancestors Or Be Different. It Doesn't Matter. II. Lay A Million Eggs Or Give Birth To One. III. Wear Gaudy Colors Or Avoid Display. It's All The Same. IV. The Fittest Shall Survive Yet The Unfit May Live. V. We Must Repeat! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick davey Subject: [none] Date: 23 Oct 1995 09:47:42 BST Hi all, Nick again, Eurocheese-what a bit of Edam!!!!!Chime that cool catchy tune nice bassline and the beats are in the right place. I personally love it. It was around the same time as eurobeat was breaking if I remember correctly- probably not. Anyway I'm not sure if eurocheese is the right expression but I think the tracks really good. I've also been getting some messages saying stuff like 'Orbital arn't as good as they used to be.' Which I suppose is a fair opinion, but not mine. I think their new stuff is just as good, just that they are trying out different techniques, samples and equipment. I do however dislike the opinion that trance/dance/techno/electronica isn't what it used to be. Poppycock. The 'scene' is still around. Get out more. Find out about the new stuff. I know people will disagree with me over this, but there is more to life than Internal, Warp, R&S etc..., although these labels are the tops, Goa Trance is brilliant (another opinion), Drangonfly recs are doing cool stuff, Twisted systems records are much better now, and harthouse is offering a range of amazing albums,singles and comps. If however you've discovered other stuff and it is your considered opinion that things arn't what they once were, then I bow to your judgement. Going now, Thank-heavens is the reply Nick. P.S. It's easy to be cynical. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: may@masadm1.mas.eurocontrol.be (Richard Mayer) Subject: Underworld remix rocks Date: 23 Oct 1995 10:58:59 GMT Matt schreibes... > ... and my favourite (at the moment), the Underworld mix. This last track > reworks the original on an epic scale. The sound is huge. Spot on, Matt! As an actively passive Underworld fan this instantly became my fav track, too. I'm a sucker for that guitar sound. In fact not really being one for track titles, preferring to call songs "That One With The blah blah blah Sample", or "The One That Goes Do D Do Duh Dg Dhgaduh", I never even noticed it was an Underworld mix until I'd been listning to it for days and thought "This is cool - What *is* this track?" Rich ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ryu" Subject: i happen to like snivilisation Date: 23 Oct 1995 09:47:36 -0600 (CST) yes, i do like it. i find snivilisation to be orbital's best work to date. why? it's got pure unadulterated emotional content...something that is lacking in alot of today's current electronic music. there's alot going on inside each one of those songs. not to say that their older works didn't contain these qualities, sniv. just has more of it. as their newer songs got more complicated, they sounded different. the older orbital was more simplistic and enticing, while sniv. is just plain mind boggling. alot of people probably formed negative opinions of it after listening to it one time. probably said, "well, this is not at all what i expected. i just don't like it." that ain't right. and what is so wrong with an artist (or artists) wanted to expand and experiment with different ideas. you can't expect to get the same thing from someone every time. heck, if no one tried anything different, the whole "techno movement" would have never occured. change is one thing that is inevitable. and i think that it is working just fine in orbital's music. with exception to the "are we here?" mixes. thanx for reading. love, ryu listen to Spring Heel Jack. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: may@masadm1.mas.eurocontrol.be (Richard Mayer) Subject: Re: Eurotrash!!!!!! Yessssss!!!!!!!!! Date: 23 Oct 1995 15:31:45 GMT Jason wrote... > Who wrote Chime is "eurotrash!!!!" ??????? Why because that > beautiful word sums up the early orbital... Probably someone who's read The Acid House by I Welsh.... Although, I'm sure wasn't thinking of Orbital when he dreamt up this term !!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Filthy Mick Subject: Re: Orbital Mailing List Digest V1 #36 Date: 23 Oct 1995 16:30:08 GMT Dear all, My first mail to this list....great to see there are so many like- minded technoheds around who are concerned at the the progression of the scene, and not merely content to lie back and reminisce about the "good ol' days" of the classic tune and rhythym. Anyroad, to add my two'pennorth to the (current) debate, I must say that though Snivilisation isn't as immediate as the Brown album, it's going to last years longer... it's the nearest anyone in the current pack has got to producing a collection of music that approaches something of almost classical quality, Mr Aphex aside. Stick with it and you'll grow to love it. Or go and see them live, when the newer tracks are revitalised into something that's perhaps closer to what you want to hear....no shit! I'm surprised no-ones' mentioned the recent crop of old-school Orbital soundalikes....check out Pentatoniks' "Anthology" double album, which one of my Sniv-hating friends described as what the Hartnolls should have done next. It's pretty good. Gotta fly, Filthy Mick PS: Check out the new Mortal Kombat flick for the WELL smart Halcyon soul-release scene at the end. Best use of a track I've heard in years. They were groovin' in the aisles.... Mighty Morphin' Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Pilbeam" Subject: Adam & Doug at Nottnghm UniAdam Date: 23 Oct 1995 16:30:08 GMT Hello to Adam and Doug at Nottingham University who I met at the Underworld gig at Leicester DMU. Underworld were pretty incredible, probably better than Orbital at Leicester Uni. I hope that you are ok. You can write to me at: bis2jp@dmu.ac.uk John Pilbeam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: Re: new orbital / old orbital Date: 23 Oct 1995 12:28:46 -0400 (EDT) On Sat, 21 Oct 1995, Matthew Jarsky wrote: > Am I the only Orbital fan who feels they are fans of the band only > because we know what they are capable of (ie the brown album, Diversions) > rather than what they have actually produced of late (Times Fly or even, > dare I say it, Snivilisation)? Oh, I wouldn't be so certain of that. I thought _Snivilisation_ was a true, honest-to-God *breakthrough*. A monumental release. It stimulates the head as well as the feet, and everything inbetween gets a pretty good workout as well. An experiment in sonic production that paid off richly. Seriously, though. The undertow of "I Wish I Had Duck Feet," the reeling melodic and rhythmic nuances of "Kein Trink Wasser," the grasping confusion of "Philosophy By Numbers" and "Are We Here?" and the simple unabashed beauty of "Attached" make this album, for me, their finest moment. (I still think "Halcyon" is their best song, though.) I don't know what to say about the "Times Fly" single other than that I like it a whole lot, but it didn't grab me by the neck and shake the way _Snivilisation_ did. I appreciate the effort, well worth my hard-earned musical dollar. I felt the same way about "Lush," frankly. "Adnan" kinda stuck me as "blah," though they were under some time pressure to crank that one out. So overall, I'd say they're still putting out high quality stuff, and if their experiments generate results like _Snivilisation_, then *wow*! Adam J Weitzman Individual, Inc. "Hell is a place for very very bad people, weitzman@individual.com and the lawyers who defend them." - Brett Butler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Pilbeam" Subject: Underworld Old New Cheese Date: 23 Oct 1995 16:57:55 GMT Hello, Judging by the amount of mail in my post box this afternoon there is quite a debate over whether Orbital were better than they are now. Personally I think that they reached their best at the Brown Album, but Snivelisation and Times Fly are still great pieces of music. I totally agree with Richard Mayer that the Underworld remix of Lush 3 kicks. I first heard it at a friends house on vinyl and he accidently plated it at 33rpm and it still sounded wicked I have found recent Orbital single releases less exciting because they no longer bring in other bands to take their tracks off in a new direction. Incidently I saw Underworld on Friday at DMU Leicester and they did some stuff off the forthcoming new album which shits on the new Orbital stuff. I got the Import 'single' (actually 74 minutes long!) of Underworld's Dirty Epic/ Cowgirl last week and it has stayed in my CD player eversince. Chime = Eurocheese. I your dreams Lee Horner. How much did you drink at the pub? True by sampling the funny piano bit of the end of the first album and sequencing it with a little rubbery bass line a friend and I were able to replicate it in about five minutes. But this doesn't mean that it was particularly easy to do originally. How can you compare this house classic with the likes of 2 Untalented. You are completely entitled to your opinion, I just happen to disagree completely. Since first hearing Times Fly one thing as continued to go through my mind whenever I play it. I am sure that the vocal sounds just like Phil Collins singing "all homeless, all homeless...". Perhaps I am going mad or perhaps it is sampled off 'Another Day In Paradise'. I hope that it is the latter as it would be an excellent piss take - what a twat complaining about the homeless despite having about ten houses and enough money to make a difference. See Ya John bis2jp@dmu.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlphill1@students.wisc.edu (walt phillips) Subject: um...yeah...brown album Date: 23 Oct 1995 15:45:34 -0600 Obviously this is a stupid question, but what the hell is the brown album. I've got Orbital1, 2, Diversions, and Snivilization but I've never seen this brown album. Someone tell me what it is and were I could get it. It would be very appreciated. Thank you. "I'm really looking forward to the future whatever it may be." WP 1995 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ivar van Duuren Subject: Re: um...yeah...brown album Date: 23 Oct 1995 23:04:37 +0100 (MET) Hi Walt, On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, walt phillips wrote: > Obviously this is a stupid question, but what the hell is the brown > album. I've got Orbital1, 2, Diversions, and Snivilization but I've never > seen this brown album. Someone tell me what it is and were I could get it. > It would be very appreciated. Thank you. You've already got it ;-) The brown album is the same as Orbital 2. Bye, Ivar ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jarskymm@tuns.ca (Matthew Jarsky) Subject: new/old + video game music Date: 23 Oct 1995 20:44:34 -0300 =46ilthy Mick Writes: Anyroad, to add my two'pennorth to the (current) debate, I must say=20 that though Snivilisation isn't as immediate as the Brown album, it's=20 going to last years longer... it's the nearest anyone in the current=20 pack has got to producing a collection of music that approaches=20 something of almost classical quality, Mr Aphex aside. Stick with it=20 and you'll grow to love it. Or go and see them live, when the newer=20 tracks are revitalised into something that's perhaps closer to what=20 you want to hear....no shit! Mick, I intend to go on giving Sinivilisation a chance every now and then.= If it is supposed to be so great, I wouldn't want to miss out. Especially= on an offering by one of my fav bands. I saw Orbital in Toronto with the= See the Light Tour and I intend to go on seeing them every chance I get.= Unfortuneately, they don't play North America much. Wah wah wah. Has anyone heard their video game music? (the game is called petrol= something or other) This message came from Matt. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jarskymm@tuns.ca (Matthew Jarsky) Subject: Re: Date: 23 Oct 1995 22:03:51 -0300 Nick Davey writes: >I know people will=20 >disagree with me over this, but there is more to life than=20 >Internal, Warp, R&S etc..., although these labels are the=20 >tops, Goa Trance is brilliant (another opinion), Drangonfly=20 >recs are doing cool stuff, Twisted systems records are much=20 >better now, and harthouse is offering a range of amazing=20 >albums,singles and comps. If however you've discovered=20 >other stuff and it is your considered opinion that things=20 >arn't what they once were, then I bow to your judgement. > >Going now, >Thank-heavens is the reply > >Nick. > >P.S. >It's easy to be cynical. Resistance D's "Inexhaustibility" is on Harthouse and IT ROCKS!!! (Ha ha, I= said it again.) A more detailed description: a lot of the album is the perfect soundtrack= for a scene in which you are chased through a derelict spaceship by a nasty= alien. Expansive sounding, but grim, while nonetheless managing to= mainatain an optimistic sound(?). The last track, "Skyline," epitomizes= these trauts. The whole shebang is only five tracks long, but you just= gotta have it anyway. P.S. It is difficult to be optimistic. I AM NOT A CYNIC, REALLY, I'M NOT. I'm more of a suck. Ha ha. This message came from Matt. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Burns Subject: Re: new/old + video game music Date: 23 Oct 1995 22:20:47 -0400 (EDT) cheers to 'Sniv' though its a little different "I like to think of it as more cognitive' I love it.... my jury's still out on "times Fly" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlphill1@students.wisc.edu (walt phillips) Subject: Orbital Video Game Muzik Date: 23 Oct 1995 22:38:13 -0500 I read that the video game is called 'Wipeout', a futuristic racing game for the Sony Playstation. The name of the song is 'Petrol'. I had a chance to play it on a sampler disk, and even though the music wasn't very loud, it set the tone and was very nice. Oh, yeah, the video game rocks too, if you have a chance, check it out, if not only for the music. "I'm really looking forward to the future whatever it may be." WP 1995 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: may@masadm1.mas.eurocontrol.be (Richard Mayer) Subject: Re: Orbital Video Game Muzik Date: 24 Oct 1995 10:45:10 GMT >> I read that the video game is called 'Wipeout', a futuristic racing >> game for the Sony Playstation. The name of the song is 'Petrol'. Really? That's Orbital? Cool! I played it a couple of months back at an exhibition. It's excellent. The music AND the game. Check it out! Rich ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: S GRIFFITHS Subject: Re: Orbital Video Game Muzik Date: 24 Oct 1995 10:57:42 +0000 (GMT) On Tue, 24 Oct 1995, Richard Mayer wrote: > >> I read that the video game is called 'Wipeout', a futuristic racing > >> game for the Sony Playstation. The name of the song is 'Petrol'. > > Really? That's Orbital? Cool! > > I played it a couple of months back at an exhibition. It's excellent. The > music AND the game. Check it out! > Ive got the game on my playstation, and believe me it is fuckin cool. Music also by the Chemical Brothers, and Leftfield. Well worth getting if you hace the cash, if only for the music. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jarskymm@tuns.ca (Magic Hands) Subject: Re: mason's three cents Date: 24 Oct 1995 09:26:08 -0300 >Well, as usual, here goes a piece of the mind. >1. How hard is it to figure out that the BROWN ALBUM is ORBITAL 2?? >It must be very, because I have seen this question asked about a million >times. Please, tell your friends about it. >2. In the case of Old Orbital VS New, I really believe it is too early >to make this analyzation. When you look over a bands career, say 10 >albums, then you can make those assumptions, but Orbital has three full >LP's in a music genre that changes faster than any other. Maybe it's >not so much style that's changing, but instrumentation or >experimentation, etc. We need more RELEASES to tell. >If we are going to sum up the Orbital career, then we must say that the >fame came from Chime, and if you really objectively think about it, >which is going to be hard for a lot of you die-hards, the song stinks. >It is a cheesy, melodic, rif. It reminds me of an early Depeche mode >song, like "Just can't get enough" or something. >Brown, I believe is the real orbital. The sounds are up to date, the >beats are hypnotic, trance, hard, soft. All of the above. >Sniv, i believe is the orbital reaching for the next step when they were >already on the plateau. It just does not work all that well. I've >tried to take the "it takes more listening to approach" but it never can >reach Brown. >So, there you have it. >MAson I agree. This message came from Matt. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Subject: Short on comment!!! Date: 24 Oct 1995 14:52:59 +0100 (BST) > >Well, as usual, here goes a piece of the mind. E.t.c................................... > >So, there you have it. > >MAson > > I agree. > > This message came from Matt. Is that it?????? " I agree ", Have you nothing else to add, if not, did you have to include the whole message????????..... Bone idle no doubt!!!!! This message came from an enraged Jason.............( Yes I'm taking the piss!!!! ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Filthy Mick Subject: Re: Orbital Mailing List Digest V1 #37 Date: 24 Oct 1995 17:09:43 GMT Dear all, Got to agree with the closet Underworld fans about the Lush remix....for more of the same, you gotta check out the Unders remixes of William Orbits' "Water From a Vine Leaf" and that one by Spooky ....oh yeah, "Schmoo". Great stuff. However, I am of the opinion that Darren Emerson likes to take a track and mix in half of "Rez", 'cos most of his remixes all sound pretty similar..... or have I just offended half of you lot with that? Can't agree with the fan who said their new stuff shits on Orbital though. I saw them at Manchester Academy on Saturday and they played two sets.....the first was the new, "experimental" stuf which was kickin' but a tad tuneless, I felt.... Mr Emerson then DJed for an hour and the second set they played was chock full of the classic, older material, which sounded a lot better to my humble ears. 'Course, by the time they launched into the opening bars of "Rez" near the end the entire place went apeshit and no-one minded them noodling about a bit at the start then. It still is the one tune that they play that can turn seemingly innocent little students into mosh- crazy animals. I think they should take some of the sick people that go to Lourdes and give a front row Underworld ticket....both "Rez" and "Skyscraper" on Saturday could make the wheelchair-bound suddenly gain the ability to boogie. So, 9/10. Oh yeah, Orbital. Sorry. The point I was trying to make was that while Underworld "play" a set with new stuff and old stuff, Orbital take a live audience and transport them to another dimension completely..... they turn the music into something that lives, breathes, kicks you up the arse and shags you senseless. I have NEVER gone to an Orbital gig where I didn't come out at the end thinking I had just spent the best ninety minutes of my life. Something for all of us, there! And remember: To be forewarned is to have four arms.....Mighty Morphin' Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris.Hilker" Subject: Re: Orbital Video Game Muzik Date: 24 Oct 1995 17:09:43 GMT >> >> I read that the video game is called 'Wipeout', a futuristic racing >> >> game for the Sony Playstation. The name of the song is 'Petrol'. >> >> Really? That's Orbital? Cool! >> >> I played it a couple of months back at an exhibition. It's excellent. The >> music AND the game. Check it out! >> >Ive got the game on my playstation, and believe me it is fuckin cool. >Music also by the Chemical Brothers, and Leftfield. Well worth getting if >you hace the cash, if only for the music. Do note, however, that the US version of the game will not include the cuts by these artists, thanks to licensing difficulties. The Orbital track seems to have been retitled "Wipeout." According to the game's manual, there will be an audio disc of music from and inspired by the game sooner or later, which I assume would have those tracks. C. - -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) "I feel like I'm being electrocuted." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ADAM BRASSEY Subject: Re: Chime is eurocheese Date: 24 Oct 1995 15:27:11 GMT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lhorner@eyupduck.u-net.com (Lee Horner) Subject: Chime is eurocheese Date: 24 Oct 1995 15:27:11 GMT I was having an argument recently, down the pub on a Saturday night, with a friend who also likes Orbital and is also on this list (you know who you are). Basically, the conversation went like this: Me: I think Chime is eurocheese. Friend: Oh no its not. Me: Oh yes it is..... Any thoughts? A> Yup. 'Chime' is not cheesy, it's just old. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ADAM BRASSEY Subject: Re: Adam & Doug at Nottnghm UniAdam Date: 24 Oct 1995 15:50:36 GMT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Pilbeam Subject: Adam & Doug at Nottnghm UniAdam Date: 24 Oct 1995 15:50:36 GMT Hello to Adam and Doug at Nottingham University who I met at the Underworld gig at Leicester DMU. Underworld were pretty incredible, probably better than Orbital at Leicester Uni. A>Hey John! I did think Underworld played like lords but from what I've seen of them live Orbital are simply in another league! Underworld are another of those bands who play much harder techno live than what they put on their albums. They are worth seeing. Does anyone know where the sample '... work-shy, dirty layabout who aught to be in the bloody army!' comes from originally? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ADAM BRASSEY Subject: Back to the Planet. Date: 24 Oct 1995 16:16:25 GMT Hello ppl, Has anyone heard the remix of Back to the Planet's 'Daydream' by Orbital? I can't help thinking it's along the same lines as Halcyon... A great song. Splendid. - -Adam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ADAM BRASSEY Subject: Re: um...yeah...brown album Date: 24 Oct 1995 16:36:44 GMT Date sent: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:45:34 -0600 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlphill1@students.wisc.edu (walt phillips) Subject: um...yeah...brown album Date: 24 Oct 1995 16:36:44 GMT Obviously this is a stupid question, but what the hell is the brown album. I've got Orbital1, 2, Diversions, and Snivilization but I've never seen this brown album. Someone tell me what it is and were I could get it. It would be very appreciated. Thank you. A> Take a wild guess.... . Orbital didn't title there first 2 albums... the brown album is the one with the fucking brown cover on it!!! OK? I know that in the states someone saw fit to call Orbital's albums orbital 1 and orbital 2 (gee, how original...) but it wasn't Orbital who named them that. Diversions... does anyone else get annoyed by Diversions? I own the Peel Sessions and the Lush 3 e.p. so it's not worth me getting... which is a shame as it has Impact USA on it which I've not heard and which is a remix of my favorite Orbital track... I've heard it mentioned that Diversions is an import, is this true? Is there any way I can get hold of Impact USA without buying Diversions??? - -Adam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis M. Morales Jr." Subject: Re: um...yeah...brown album Date: 24 Oct 1995 16:22:41 -0500 (CDT) > Obviously this is a stupid question, but what the hell is the brown > album. I've got Orbital1, 2, Diversions, and Snivilization but I've never > seen this brown album. Someone tell me what it is and were I could get it. > It would be very appreciated. Thank you. > > A> Take a wild guess.... . Orbital didn't title there first 2 > albums... the brown album is the one with the fucking brown cover on > it!!! OK? I know that in the states someone saw fit to call Orbital's > albums orbital 1 and orbital 2 (gee, how original...) but it wasn't > Orbital who named them that. okay, okay, it shouldve been obvious that the brown album is orbital2, yes, i called it that, because that is what it is referred to over here in the states. it is called that because over here it is named that. on the sleeve it says "ORBITAL 2" (the "brown" album aint too original either) maybe orbital didnt name the album "orbital 2", i dont know, have you asked Phil recently?? gee, i guess we are just stupid americans who have nothing better to do but waste time on the orbital mailing list calling the "brown album" orbital 2. > Diversions... does anyone else get annoyed by Diversions? I own > the Peel Sessions and the Lush 3 e.p. so it's not worth me getting... > which is a shame as it has Impact USA on it which I've not heard and > which is a remix of my favorite Orbital track... I've heard it > mentioned that Diversions is an import, is this true? Is there any > way I can get hold of Impact USA without buying Diversions??? > -Adam Diversions was released in the states because it is economically unfesible to release a "Peel Sessions" here in the states, and since the Lush 3 e.p. wasnt released here, they decided to release "Diversions" for the americans. i dont know of any way other than buying diversions to get "Impact USA". that is the only release that it is on that i know of. sorry. ====================================================================== dennis morales jr. internet://dmorales@engr.latech.edu http://www.latech.edu/~dmorales/ voice://318.251.3899 postal://201 e. arizona ave. #2, ruston LA 71270-5070 ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Thorne Subject: RE: Chime is eurocheese Date: 24 Oct 1995 15:41:00 PDT Maybe it is. But boy, those cheesy bits are tasty! Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- I was having an argument recently, down the pub on a Saturday night, with a friend who also likes Orbital and is also on this list (you know who you are). Basically, the conversation went like this: Me: I think Chime is eurocheese. Friend: Oh no its not. Me: Oh yes it is..... In my opinion (this is only my opinion, I do not claim to sit in judgment) Chime is an example of eurocheese at it's best, i.e. simple and addictive pop music. Don't get wrong, I'm not critising Chime in any way, I love it. I listen to a lot of 'serious' music (Eno, Michael Nyman, Sabres, Autechre etc.) but sometimes the annoying simplicity of Chime just blows me away. Any thoughts? Lee ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick" Subject: Impact USA Date: 25 Oct 1995 10:19:30 GMT0BST You can get Impact USA on an anti-criminal justice bill album but I can't remember what it is called just now. Still better off buying Diversions, though. Nick. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Subject: Is it an album????? Date: 25 Oct 1995 13:24:40 +0100 (BST) > maybe orbital didnt name the album "orbital 2", i dont know, > have you asked Phil recently?? gee, i guess we are just stupid > americans who have nothing better to do but waste time on the orbital > mailing list calling the "brown album" orbital 2. I remember Orbital calling snivalisation their first album and therefore the brown and green album, or if you like, their first and second album were a collection of songs / tunes they had completed, Jason............................... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick davey Subject: [none] Date: 25 Oct 1995 11:46:25 BST Resistance D. Yeah. Pascal F.E.O.S. has released solo stuff on FAX recs (Pete Namlook label) and with Pete Namlook himself, all in a similar vein to his work with resistance d. Anyway check out the Skyline remixes 12" on Harthouse, it's coo----oool. If you like Resistance D then you probably like most Harthouse stuff, at least artists like Eternal Basement, Koxbox, Steve B-Zet. Why not check out the Eye-Q web sight. HTTP://eyeq.com I think, well do a search for eye q and one of the options will be Eye Q Home page. Thats always the supposition that you have acess to the internet. Resistance D also have a track on The secret life of trance vol 2 comp on rising high, under an assumed name. I can't remember the name but the track's well cool, and was partly what got me into Techno in a big way. So time to go. Goa techno is the future.. P.S. that goa techno dbl 12" is on rumour records, the man with no name track is 'Sly-ed'. It's a bargain at any price well---it's very good and worth a buy or else the Dragonfly comp is brilliant. by Nick. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Burns Subject: are we here? Date: 25 Oct 1995 10:59:03 -0400 (EDT) does anybody know whats up with track 5 (listed as "Criminal Justice Bill?") on the "are we here" single ? On my version its just 2 minutes of silence. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Berry R. Thrailkill" Subject: Re: are we here? Date: 25 Oct 1995 10:47:46 -0500 (CDT) On Wed, 25 Oct 1995, Joseph Burns wrote: > does anybody know whats up with track 5 (listed as "Criminal Justice Bill?") > on the "are we here" single ? On my version its just 2 minutes of silence. As I understand it, it's a protest against a bill that was passed in the UK that prohibited "large gatherings involving music with repetitive beats" or some such crap. Speaking of which, I'm amazed I haven't heard of anyone challenging the validity of that law... __________......... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . "Of course, just because we've heard a spine-chilling, blood-curdling scream of the sort to make your very marrow freeze in your bones doesn't automatically mean there's anything wrong." --Terry Pratchett, Soul Music __________......... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Berry R. Thrailkill (bthrail@comp.uark.edu) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Subject: Re: Is it an album????? Date: 25 Oct 1995 18:47:49 +0100 (BST) > enough bickering about album titles!!!! > > if your curious/confused about releases check lazlo's discography > > enough enough enough > I was not questioning the album titles, but whether they were albums!!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nuts@cix.compulink.co.uk (Tom Nuttall) Subject: Doh! Date: 25 Oct 1995 18:08 GMT >Subject: Re: Look before you leap >OH NO THERE'S NOT (re - traditional interesting bands set up). Oh yes there are. They're behind you. Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: may@masadm1.mas.eurocontrol.be (Richard Mayer) Subject: Re: are we here? Date: 25 Oct 1995 18:10:03 GMT re : the CJB > Speaking of which, I'm amazed I haven't heard of anyone challenging > the validity of that law... "...haven't heard of anyone challenging..." in what sense ? There's been uproar about it. About a year ago there was even a riot which I could have, almost, been innocently caught up in. Rich ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Burns Subject: Re: Is it an album????? Date: 25 Oct 1995 13:26:03 -0400 (EDT) enough bickering about album titles!!!! if your curious/confused about releases check lazlo's discography enough enough enough ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Subject: Re: are we here? Date: 25 Oct 1995 20:47:21 +0100 (BST) > re : the CJB > > > Speaking of which, I'm amazed I haven't heard of anyone challenging > > the validity of that law... > > "...haven't heard of anyone challenging..." in what sense ? > > There's been uproar about it. About a year ago there was even a riot which I > could have, almost, been innocently caught up in. > > Rich > For anyone who is not aware of the Criminal Justice Bill, he's as much as I can remember. The Criminal Justice Bill was a bill passed, which updated existing laws, aswell as new ones. The laws which have come under attack are aimed at people rights!!! For example the right to silence has been altered, Travellers can now be arrested for travelling in a convey ( of more than about 10 cars?? ) You can be arrested for attending a gathering and even stopped getting there, this includes spirtual gatherings ( summer soltice ) as well as parties.....( music is defined as having a repetative beat ) and protests... These are only a few, thats all I can remember.... To be honest, people involved in free / illeagal parties will not be drastically effected ( only hindered more!! ), most broke the law any way by trespassing!!! The people effected most will be the travellers, gypsies and new age.....as this is their life, not just a night or weekend of hassle.. There other good laws passes, stricter laws on rape, violent crime etc..... It is possible ( I'm no political commentator ) that the goverment used these good laws to pass the dodgy ones listed above!!!! This is only a personal account, from my own knowledge.... If you want to do something, write to your MP, there are also many groups against the CJB about...join one!!!!! Back to orbital and their CJB track, Although probably not effected by the law ( never seen orbital at an illeagal rave ), it was good publicity against the CJB and they are a big name, the fact that some asked the question about the track means the track worked!!!!! Jason.................................. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Berry R. Thrailkill" Subject: Re: are we here? Date: 25 Oct 1995 18:53:08 -0500 (CDT) On Wed, 25 Oct 1995, Richard Mayer wrote: > re : the CJB > > > Speaking of which, I'm amazed I haven't heard of anyone challenging > > the validity of that law... > > "...haven't heard of anyone challenging..." in what sense ? > > There's been uproar about it. About a year ago there was even a riot which I > could have, almost, been innocently caught up in. We don't hear much about it on this side of the pond. I just figured that there'd be something big enough to be heard of internationally; since the bill would contradict the US Constitution in several spots, I figured there would be similar legal conflicts in the UK... (I really need to take a class in British law or something before I go spouting off, though) __________......... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . "Of course, just because we've heard a spine-chilling, blood-curdling scream of the sort to make your very marrow freeze in your bones doesn't automatically mean there's anything wrong." --Terry Pratchett, Soul Music __________......... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Berry R. Thrailkill (bthrail@comp.uark.edu) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jarskymm@tuns.ca (Magic Hands) Subject: [none] Date: 26 Oct 1995 03:40:18 -0600 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dlondon Subject: Re: are we here? Date: 26 Oct 1995 09:20:08 +0100 (BST) On Wed, 25 Oct 1995, Joseph Burns wrote: > > does anybody know whats up with track 5 (listed as "Criminal Justice Bill?") > on the "are we here" single ? On my version its just 2 minutes of silence. > Yes its supossed to be silent.... as a Joke!?.... Penbo..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: may@masadm1.mas.eurocontrol.be (Richard Mayer) Subject: Re: are we here? Date: 26 Oct 1995 09:18:25 GMT re : the CJB and my "shocked" outburst > We don't hear much about it on this side of the pond. I just figured >that there'd be something big enough to be heard of internationally; >since the bill would contradict the US Constitution in several spots, I >figured there would be similar legal conflicts in the UK... (I really >need to take a class in British law or something before I go spouting >off, though) Hey, no! I wasn't being critical. With hindsight, I suppose it's not that suprising you haven't heard much about it. I was initially quite suprised to read you haven't heard of people challinging it. I don't think its been challenged legally, in respect to contradicting existing laws. But morally... it's a big issue ! You can now become a "criminal" for playing music too loud (ie people complain) at a party. Thankfully, I've escaped from that drachonian island they call britain (for a while), to a place where the laws are a little more forgiving. The Netherlands!! R ! < |-| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Murphy Subject: CJA opposition Date: 26 Oct 1995 12:40:37 +0000 (bst) Hello again!! Yes I have the autechre e.p. in question, and agree with it's sentiments totally. I have a radio show here at UKC dedicated to playing music of a loud and repetitve nature, it's our music, we love it , so why should we be outlawed for wanting to play it loud! Incidentally, how many police did you see trying to shut down the venue last time Bon Jovi played in the U.K. - Have you heard a Bon Jovi track that doesn't contain repetitive beats? (but that's not really the point is it!) The scene now is too large to try and outlaw The youth of this country cannot be supressed in this manner Agent Orange (on a bit of a rampage!!!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hugh James Sharpe Subject: Impact USA Date: 26 Oct 1995 10:11:45 EDT Well, besides Diversions, the only way to get "Impact USA" is on the promo 12" single that was released with "Lush- Trancendance Mix" as the b-side. I was lucky enough to get a free copy from my friendly neigborhood record store. :) Hugh ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Sykes" Subject: Re: CJA and other nonsense Date: 26 Oct 1995 14:34:55 GMT0BST Filthy Mick wrote ; > We have to live with it now. The scary thing about the new Criminal > Justice Act is that it is so open-ended.... I've heard of Manchester > Police arriving with dozens of armed officers to beat the crap out of > some mates who were having a 21st birthday party INDOORS and playing > "loud, repetitive music." Heavy-handed or what? > Mighty Morphin' Mike quite true unfortunately. i was at a_35th_birthday party, with the sort of quiet middle of the road music you would expect to hear and the police arrived in force with several vans and threatened to arrest us all for contravening this shitty act. in my view, the act contains the most ridiculous laws that this present tory government has passed in their 16! years of power and the sooner something is done about it, the better. sorry for sounding off a bit, i know it is little to do with orbital. ******************************************************** eclrjs@leeds.ac.uk <<<<>>>> For mine is the kingdom, the power and the glory........ ******************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BUSTTREV@livjm.ac.uk Subject: DJ's and thier significance. Date: 26 Oct 1995 14:50:06 +0000 (GMT) Hello people out there... I'm researching the DJ phenomenon with respect to popular youth culture, if any one has any useful comments or addresses of some good sites on the internet I'd be gratefull. In particular I'm interested in how much DJ's have changed elements of the music business : like:- records being made, clubs, technology, actual music being made, etc, etc. With regards to sites I know of the 'How to be a DJ' site, so if anyone knows anything similar or dj orientated, it'd be a serious help. If people can reply asap, I've been having too much of a good time lately and the deadline's looming. Cheers to the people seriously into their music, and for the people who reply. Tim. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Murphy Subject: Re: Impact USA Date: 26 Oct 1995 15:13:31 +0000 (bst) Didn't Impact USA appear on the peel sessions/and or promo c.d. Initially give away free with certain copies of the second (brown) album? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C. David Holloway" Subject: Re: Impact USA Date: 26 Oct 1995 10:56:12 -0500 (CDT) On Thu, 26 Oct 1995, Hugh James Sharpe wrote: > Well, besides Diversions, the only way to get "Impact USA" is on the > promo 12" single that was released with "Lush- Trancendance Mix" as the > b-side. I was lucky enough to get a free copy from my friendly > neigborhood record store. :) Impact USA can also be purchased on vinyl through the ffrr label: 697 120 013-1 c1993 and Lush 1926.... is on the b side also. I highly recommend it. |Dave cdh1@isis.msstate.edu http://www2.msstate.edu/~cdh1| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: may@masadm1.mas.eurocontrol.be (Richard Mayer) Subject: Indie kids - Phwa, who'd 'ave 'em? Date: 26 Oct 1995 17:06:27 GMT Oh you're gonna love this !!!!!!!!!! We had some prick on th UK-indie list ranting on+on+on+on+on+etc about how he thinks Oasis are crap - but likes ALL types of music. so i sent this... >Oh and incidently, i've just remebered... You wrote a mail a few weeks ago >in which you said >you liked all types of music... and then slagged off most bands. I remember >asking you what you thought of the latest Orbital single, latest Banco d G CD >and Dreadzone? > >Why not reply to that rather than making random subjective comments >to which could give a fuck? > >Now's your chance to prove yourself... > >Rich > >PS And while you're at it how about comments / thoughts on Zion Train, >Leftfield and DepthCharge ? and this is what i got back.... >- - Right, now this a good subject. Orbital you say! This type of music is >another one of my hates. Being a music man i fail to see how >'elecronically' created music can be called music. This type of orbital/ >shamen music(the whole techno/ rave thing) - is no more than fancy computer >game music. As much as i dislike the music of oasis i still respect their >talent as musicians. At least they don't just sit in a basement or >something sampling drums and wierd sound affects. >- - i said i like alot music types - meaning classical, rock, indie, metal. >- - you must be one of these people who think indie is everything! Oh to be a young nubile indie kid !! Rich. ================================================================================ "Do you remember last week, I promised to tell you today, how to become a space cadet?" A Sample - source unkown (Can anybody help?) ================================================================================ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Murphy Subject: Re: CJA and other nonsense Date: 26 Oct 1995 16:13:32 +0000 (bst) The way to fight this is to hold sponaneous events as my friends and I did over the summer! What we did was to all go to a club 'till 2 a.m. then about 12 of us would leave, drive out to dartmoor and fing a secluded spot, where we could hold our own party O.K. - it's not as good as a big event with 100's of people, but we had some great times listening to cool tunes (Orbital Included!!) in great locations - and no police hassle. (it's just a bit inconvinient if you don't live near the country!) Agent Orange ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Mackay Ross Subject: Re: Losing It?/Kraftwerk/Spot the sample. Date: 26 Oct 1995 14:33:22 -0500 (CDT) I don't believe Orbital has lost its magic touch, either. I was introduced to Orbital through Snivilisation and loved it. Next I bought Brown - liked it - bought Green, but I thought it was a little plain. I have Diversions and the Peel Sessions and enjoy them both. I still think that Sniv is their best work by far. I don't understand why people don't like it/appreciate it as much as their earlier work. Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ADAM BRASSEY Subject: Re: Impact USA Date: 26 Oct 1995 20:06:21 GMT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Murphy Subject: Re: Impact USA Date: 26 Oct 1995 20:06:21 GMT Didn't Impact USA appear on the peel sessions/and or promo c.d. Initially give away free with certain copies of the second (brown) album? A>I got Peel Sessions with my brown album (Austalian Import it said on the sticker) and it has Lush (eurotunnel disaster mix), Walk about, semi detached and attached on it. I've not heard about this promo, what's on it? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Murphy Subject: Re: Losing It?/Kraftwerk/Spot the sample. Date: 26 Oct 1995 22:10:29 +0000 (bst) Snivilisation is excellent - at first I thought the other were better, but the more you listen to it the better it becomes, my fave. orbital stuff is, however :- The lush3/impact/remind mixed sequence off the brown album, Sad but true, and Steel cube Idolatry - in that order!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Murphy Subject: Re: Impact USA Date: 26 Oct 1995 22:08:13 +0000 (bst) All I Know is that my friend brought the borwn album cd and got a promo with it - I brought the brown album c.d. and didn't!! He said there is a really good mix of Impact on it called Impact USA - he's either lying to me or he's got a different one - git still hasn't leant it to me - and i cant find a copy anywhere!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Spychala Subject: Orbital and Remixes Date: 26 Oct 1995 20:13:00 -0400 This might be a little off topic, but does Orbital do remixes of theis songs? The only one I have come across is the one of the songs from Silv. The one that has god with VR on the cover of the CD. (I feel stupid 'cause I can't remember the name) One of the songs has a cool sample that goes: "what does god say?" I like it so much I made it as my windows startup sound. He he... Rob :.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.: rspychal@vt.edu http://www.vt.edu:10021/R/rspychal/index.html "life is like a runway wrapped inside the belly of an airplane" - word of the wise ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: Impact USA Date: 26 Oct 1995 14:53:58 -0600 (MDT) > Didn't Impact USA appear on the peel sessions/and or promo c.d. > Initially give away free with certain copies of the second (brown) > album? The only double-packed brown album I know of is the Australian one on Internal/MSB; it came with the Peel Sessions ep, which doesn't include "Impact". - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: On Now: Frazier Chrous - Sue ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Azure Subject: Re: Orbital and Remixes Date: 27 Oct 1995 09:53:21 +0800 (HKT) On Thu, 26 Oct 1995, Robert Spychala wrote: > This might be a little off topic, but does Orbital do remixes of theis songs? > The only one I have come across is the one of the songs from Silv. The one > that has god with VR on the cover of the CD. (I feel stupid 'cause I can't > remember the name) One of the songs has a cool sample that goes: "what does > god say?" I like it so much I made it as my windows startup sound. He he... Yep, that's one of my favourites too :) I use it in my windows setup, but I use it when the "do you want to exit windows?" box is called up. Then when I click on yes and finally exit windows, I get "Why not call us to find out more?" :) Other than Are We Here?, I don't think Orbital have remixed much of their own stuff, other than their live stuff & Peel Sessions... (dunno if you could call Belfast/Wasted a remix, it's Belfast with lyrics).... I'm not exactly a fountain of knowledge on Orbital's remixes though, so wait for someone else's reply ;) Chris _ \ __| | | __| | _) | | / _ ( | _| _| -_) _| \ _` | | ( \ | | _` | | ) \ / ___|\__\___|_| _| _\__,_|_| \___|_| _|_|_\__,_| \ / __ __| Chris Azure garunya@hklink.net |__ __ | "I've not lived forever yet" - Chris Azure | _| "I just want to live until I die" - Jah Wobble, Forever |_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Han Solo Subject: Forwarded mail.... Date: 27 Oct 1995 01:59:45 +0000 (GMT) Does anybody know whether we are here or not? ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Magic Hands Subject: Forwarded mail.... Date: 26 Oct 1995 03:40:18 -0600 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis M. Morales Jr." Subject: different shades of green Date: 27 Oct 1995 00:33:01 -0500 (CDT) i havent personally heard "steel cube idolatry", "high rise" or "i think its disgusting" because i have the US release of the green album. the green album over here has the tracks "satan" and "choice", can anyone shed any light on this?? are these diffrent tracks altogether, or are they the same in different packaging?? crap!, i would certainly like to hear those tracks. "satan" & "choice" became kind of underground club hits here in the states. (or at least where i live) later on and on and on. ====================================================================== dennis morales jr. internet://dmorales@engr.latech.edu http://www.latech.edu/~dmorales/ voice://318.251.3899 postal://201 e. arizona ave. #2, ruston LA 71270-5070 ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: brianlyo@WOLFE.net (Brian Lyons) Subject: belfast Date: 27 Oct 1995 00:18:02 -0700 hi, does anyone know if I can find an original copy of belfast? I know it is out of print and rare but there must be a copy out there somewhere. How much should I expect to pay for it. I am in the states but can do foreign money orders if need be. thanks, brian. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick davey Subject: GOA TRANCE. Date: 27 Oct 1995 09:49:58 BST Hi Paul/Orbities GOA TRANCE-GOA TECHNO? Well i've only recently coined on to the expression, meaning that i'm probably ill informed as to the exact features of GOA TRANCE. As far as i'm aware it's trance music, heavy bass drum boom, with a tune. Isn't that just trance/techno though? Well most of the sounds used tend to be nice synthy sounds, and it is all very dancable but relaxed. I think it has nothing to do with GOA in India. Paul Oakenfold did a Goa mix on radio 1, not so long ago which has definatetely brought the expression into heavy use. I think basically it's like really nice dancable electronic music with a catchy tune and lots of synthy effects. Whatever I like it. I probably haven't been much help so if anyone else knows exactly what GOA Trance is then mail a reply. Nick. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Murphy Subject: Re: different shades of green Date: 27 Oct 1995 10:17:59 +0000 (bst) Satan later became known as Belfast, which was the last track on the u.k. released green album!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick davey Subject: [none] Date: 27 Oct 1995 10:08:33 BST I'm not an Indie-kid, heck, I'm not even a kid. but if you want some opinions on artists well here you go: Latest by ORBITAL: TIMES FLY dbl 12", 7", cd. Times fly slow has a slight trip hoppy beat, with a uniquely orbital overlaying tune. It's cool, breezy and fresh. Sad but new starts off with a funny Johnny major sample that people in america are unlikely to understand, and isn't as good as the first track. Times Fly fast kicks in with the bass and kick drum being strangely faster, more jungle than trip hop, just as good as the slow one. The last track just blew mw away. Banco de Gaia: I bought the first album with the free 12", and found the free 12" to be the best thing about it. I didn't buy last train....because it sounded to ambient in places and was approaching Orb like status especially with regard to sampling. Banco has done some really cool stuff though and I don't mean to put him down. Dreadzone: Captain Dread is in parts exellent and in other parts tacky. I personally liked the X-Press2 mix. The latest single is good, but I've got better things to spend my pennies on. I haven't heard the album and don't really care if I do. If it's cheap I might invest in it because there kind of alright...average really. Dreadzone were members of Big Audio Dynamite, remember E=MC(squared). Leftfield, Zion Train, Depth Charge: three artists that have come from three completely different scenes and ended up becoming popular due to them each being bloody good. Leftfield came through the house and hardhouse scene, at first being rather underground, later releasing the john lydon single 'Open Up' when they signed major. Since then they have been nominated for album of the year. If you look at the renaissance mix tapes/cd's you can see that they were popular with sasha anyway. Zion train came through the Dub-electro scene via the crusty/planet dog path, touring releasing loads of records and finally signing to China. I prefer their early stuff on their own universal egg label. 100 sporting moments in dub is a classic. Finally depthcahrge. Buy depthcharge, its cool. J.Saul Kanes label also releases really good stuff. no more indie kid talk from now then. NICK. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RonHHodges@aol.com Subject: Re: CJA and Other Nonsense -- A *Real* Fight Date: 27 Oct 1995 06:30:13 -0400 Here in the states you have probably noticed a resurgence of the Far Right. As we near the year 2000 we will probably see all sorts of reactionary behavior here and in the UK, and the only way to *fight* it is to get organized politically and vote the bastards out. If Clinton had any backbone we might not be in this mess over here, but ultimately the power is in our hands. "Don't Agonize, Organize!" Ron Hodges It's Not The Fall That Kills You, It's The Sudden Stop Subj: Re: CJA and other nonsense ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jrm6@ukc.ac.uk (John Murphy) Subject: Re: CJA and Other Nonsense -- A *Real* Fight Date: 27 Oct 1995 06:30:13 -0400 The way to fight this is to hold sponaneous events as my friends and I did over the summer! What we did was to all go to a club 'till 2 a.m. then about 12 of us would leave, drive out to dartmoor and fing a secluded spot, where we could hold our own party O.K. - it's not as good as a big event with 100's of people, but we had some great times listening to cool tunes (Orbital Included!!) in great locations - and no police hassle. (it's just a bit inconvinient if you don't live near the country!) Agent Orange ====================================================================== From owner-orbital@xmission.com Thu Oct 26 14:11:57 1995 Return-Path: owner-orbital@xmission.com Received: from xmission.xmission.com (xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by emin08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA20692; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 14:11:53 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.7.1/8.6.12) id LAA01652 for orbital-outgng; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:40:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk (mercury.ukc.ac.uk [129.12.21.10]) by xmission.xmission.com (8.7.1/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA01526 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:40:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kiwi.ukc.ac.uk by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 16:13:38 +0000 Received: from pckc125.ukc.ac.uk by kiwi.ukc.ac.uk (5.0/UKC-2.9) id AA29780; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:13:33 +0100 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Murphy Subject: Re: CJA and other nonsense Date: 26 Oct 1995 16:13:32 +0000 (bst) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Murphy Subject: Re: GOA TRANCE. Date: 27 Oct 1995 10:43:49 +0000 (bst) Ha HA - Being a sort of Goa D.J. myself I can explain a bit about the scene. It's got everything to do with Goa in India - the scene evolved out of the hippy trail from the late 60's and goa became popular for backpackers and travellers from all over the world. Every month they would gather on a beach to celebrate the full moon, hence the legendary "Full Moon Parties", It is only recently however that the trance scene has become envolved,and in goa the artists found a new outlet for their music, where it could be danced to by open minded people. This brand of trance became very popular, and though initially hard to get ( the tracks were recorded all on dat for playing in goa - not release to a general audience - they couldn't use vinyl as it would melt in the goan heat!! ) it is now becoming more available, with the launch of Perfecto's Fluro ofshoot label. Artists to check out....... Man with No Name Hallucinogen Prana Juno Reactor quite a lot of Eye - Q records stuff!! have fun :-> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Byrne Subject: Re: different shades of green Date: 27 Oct 1995 11:52:05 BST > From owner-orbital@xmission.com Fri Oct 27 11:47:45 1995 > From: John Murphy > To: "Dennis M. Morales Jr." > Cc: Orbital > Subject: Re: different shades of green > Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:17:59 +0000 (bst) > Priority: NORMAL > X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows > X-Authentication: none > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type> : > TEXT/PLAIN> ; > CHARSET=US-ASCII> > Sender: owner-orbital@xmission.com > Content-Length: 100 > > Satan later became known as Belfast, which was the last track on the > u.k. released green album!! > > > No Satan's a completely separate track. It was on a single with Belfast tho'. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Subject: Re: GOA TRANCE. Date: 27 Oct 1995 12:04:17 +0100 (BST) If you saw the channel four news on monday/ Tuesday they held a feature on this new dance music....!!!!! Goa Trance consists of a fairly heavy 4/4 beat with tribal ( Indian ) sounds over the top, quite psychadelic. Unlike normal trance the classic 303 and 808 sounds are absent ( no acid squelches ) the actual music is quite repetative, building into a ( claimed by the producers ) hypnotic trance. Apparently the music is the drug and the need for additional substances is unnecessary mmmm...... The well talked about night ( Return to the Source ) RTTS at the Fridge in Brixton plays Goa Trance.... It probably did orginate from the Goa parties, as with every major scene, there becomes attached it's own dance music ( variation on a more traditional style )... If you haven't already heard it, I'd reccommand seeking out a few 12" on Tip records, Flying Rhino and Oakonfolds Dragonfly label, which all produce Goa... Hallucinogen has produced some quite spectacular stuff just recently !!!!!! Jason..............on a Goa Tip....... It could develop nicely, but the way the scene has rushed into the forefront, could suggest commercialism!!!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Mccallum Subject: Re: Are We Lawless? Date: 27 Oct 1995 07:24:29 -0700 (PDT) On Wed, 25 Oct 1995, Berry R. Thrailkill wrote: > > There's been uproar about it. About a year ago there was even a riot which I > > could have, almost, been innocently caught up in. > > We don't hear much about it on this side of the pond. I just figured > that there'd be something big enough to be heard of internationally; I remember seeing quite a few pieces in the U.S. press, a short something on Entertainment Tonight even. (Don't ask why I was watching.) And for a while there every british dance music artist was talking about it in interviews. There was even a song called "Repetitive Beats", put together by On-U Sound, Sabres of Paradise, Primal Scream, and the Drum Club, I believe, to protest it. (It all sounds very "We Are The World"-ish, doesn't it?) Yours, David. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Thorne Subject: RE: Indie kids - Phwa, who'd 'ave 'em? Date: 27 Oct 1995 13:08:00 PDT >- - Right, now this a good subject. Orbital you say! This type of music is >another one of my hates. Being a music man i fail to see how >'elecronically' created music can be called music. This type of orbital/ >shamen music(the whole techno/ rave thing) - is no more than fancy computer >game music. As much as i dislike the music of oasis i still respect their >talent as musicians. At least they don't just sit in a basement or >something sampling drums and wierd sound affects. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGHGHGHGGHGHH!!!!!!!!!!!! How can people be SO closed minded????? It boggles my mind. I suppose "music man" still thinks the sun revolves around a flat earth! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis M. Morales Jr." Subject: Re: different shades of green Date: 27 Oct 1995 17:26:32 -0500 (CDT) > A> Steel Cube Idolatry is an excellent song... I can't think why they > took it off the USA release. High Rise is... crap, you aren't missing > anything there and I Think It's Disgusting doesn't appear to be on my > copy... are you sure thats the name? no, actually i am not. in fact, i now know it is a :51 untitled track at the end, on the reissue, but i dont know if it is exclusively on the reissue or not. there are quite a few songs i have not heard, come to find out... in the UK, you guys got choice and satan as bsides or double asides in singles before orbital 1 (green album), and even before that there are songs called deeper, 2 deep, and open mind that i havent heard. on the brown album, however, the track lists are the same for both releases... so is sniv. times fly is a non US release, so ive never heard it or tranquilizer...humph, but we do have impact USA on diversions... im really going to have to give it another few spins after i get it back in my possession cause ive heard lots and lots of clatter about the "underworld" mix (ala' 3-3) i, before i let diversions out of my sight for a while, was super impressed with the cj bolland (3-5) mix... what have i missed?? later on and on and on. ====================================================================== dennis morales jr. internet://dmorales@engr.latech.edu http://www.latech.edu/~dmorales/ voice://318.251.3899 postal://201 e. arizona ave. #2, ruston LA 71270-5070 ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jarskymm@tuns.ca (Magic Hands) Subject: new/old Orbital Date: 27 Oct 1995 19:57:06 -0300 I've been listening to Snivilisation on a fairly intense basis over the last couple of days, and its beauty is slowly revealing itself to me. I still like the brown album more, but I do get the sense that I am now caught between two worlds: the richness of Snivilisation is lacking in the brown album, while Snivilisation is certainly low in the butt-kick factor. I like them both. Does anyone know or have any theories as to why Snivilisation didn't foster more than one single (Are we here?) That track was already the dancingest on the album and they didn't really improve it in the remixes. Why not a Kein Trink Wa=DFer remix? =46inally, someone recommended the self-titled Pentatonik double CD as the album Orbital should've made instead of Sniv. Whether or not you agree with that sentiment, I think fans of Orbital will enjoy this disc. It is a 16 track anthology and I am only on track 2, but so far it sounds like a really happy fusion of Sniv. and the brown album. What do others think? I also had "There Are Strings" from Spring Heel Jack mailed to me. I like this disc, but I have to disagree with Ryu, who recommended it here; I don't find it particularily Orbital-esque, good though it is. The basic sound is an enriched (not justdrums and snare), slightly trip-hoppy jungle vibe. No vocals except on track 1. Worth a listen. p.s. I am on track 6 of the pentatonik now, and I like it too. ** ** ** **** ** **** *** *** **** ** ** ** ** ** ** * * ** ** ** ** ** ** ** * * ** ** ** ** *** ** ** ** * * ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** * ** ** ** **** ** **** ** ** ** ** ** ***** **** ** ** **** *** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** * ** ** ** ***** ** ** ** ** ** ** * ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** * ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ***** ***** copyright Fierce Yogi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jarskymm@tuns.ca (Magic Hands) Subject: RE: Indie kids - Phwa, who'd 'ave 'em? Date: 27 Oct 1995 20:06:21 -0300 >>Being a music man i fail to see how >>'elecronically' created music can be called music. There is a lot of music out there which I don't like. But I would never, NEVER say that it isn't music. Music is undefineable. Period. So if somebody says they're making music, you CANNOT argue with them. >>At least they don't just sit in a basement or >>something sampling drums and wierd sound affects. What the hell is wrong with sitting in a basement sampling drums and wierd sound >E Subject: RE: Indie kids - Phwa, who'd 'ave 'em? Date: 27 Oct 1995 18:56:16 -0500 (CDT) On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Jeff Thorne wrote: > >- - Right, now this a good subject. Orbital you say! This type of music is > >another one of my hates. Being a music man i fail to see how > >'elecronically' created music can be called music. [snip] > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGHGHGHGGHGHH!!!!!!!!!!!! > How can people be SO closed minded????? It boggles my mind. I suppose > "music man" still thinks the sun revolves around a flat earth! Erm... I missed the original message, but if this twit is so anti-techno, what is he doing reading the Orbital list, anyway? Just curious. __________......... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . "Of course, just because we've heard a spine-chilling, blood-curdling scream of the sort to make your very marrow freeze in your bones doesn't automatically mean there's anything wrong." --Terry Pratchett, Soul Music __________......... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Berry R. Thrailkill (bthrail@comp.uark.edu) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jesse Lackey Subject: bootlegs? Date: 27 Oct 1995 20:39:52 EDT Soo... I finally waded thru all the digests since oct 1, and found lots of good pointers to orbital-esque stuff. I was the guy who loved brown and diversions etc. etc. Since nobody brought it up have there been any boot CDs of Orbital? Does anybody have any live recordings? I have a dat deck and mics and such and have a number of completely non-techno tapes to trade. Any (longshot) dat soundboard recordings out there? And I'll give Snivilization another chance. I promise. :^) Jesse - -- jesse lackey - jesse@eye.com - 3d/eye, ithaca, ny | I don't speak for 3d/eye! "Everyone wants to dance, no-one wants to be squished" -Jenn of Rusted Root ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris.Hilker" Subject: Re: new/old Orbital Date: 27 Oct 1995 18:47:29 -0700 (PDT) >Does anyone know or have any theories as to why Snivilisation didn't foster >more than one single (Are we here?) That track was already the dancingest >on the album and they didn't really improve it in the remixes. Why not a >Kein Trink Wa=DFer remix? Because the sound files they distributed in hopes of running a "do your own remix" contest for "Crash and Carry" (or was it "Sad but True"?) were of such low quality that nobody could do anything with them. C. - -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) "I feel like I'm being electrocuted." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Burns Subject: Re: Best Orbital Tracks...take one Date: 27 Oct 1995 23:45:06 -0400 (EDT) I agree that Halcyon+on+oon is my personal fav i think it is the best balance they've acheived between blissed out texture atmosphere, incredibly complex rhythm, strangely beautiful noises, make-me-want-to-dance-around-a-bit, plus a drug reference all rolled into onw ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Burns Subject: Re: Forwarded mail.... Date: 27 Oct 1995 23:48:48 -0400 (EDT) > Does anybody know whether we are here or not? > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 03:40:18 -0600 > From: Magic Hands > To: orbital@xmission.xmission.com 2,000 years ago they asked the Buddha what he was - an incarnation, a god, a deva, or a saint - the Buddha replied "I am awake" are we here? I don't think that's really the question. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Burns Subject: a 'new' thread Date: 28 Oct 1995 00:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Now I know this is 'off-Orbital' but it is techno related so I've noticed lately a lot of 'trance remix' bootlegs of Pink Floyd Albums cropping up in the record bins lately. Now the rumours are that these are being produced by THE ORB, but alas there are no markings whatsoever in the box or on the disc to provide any clues... I guess who ever's producing this stuff knows that Pink Floyds lawyers are probably better paid than their own. Anyway... I was wondering if anybody had the skinny on these discs. Some of them sound very obviously to be the Orb (Wish You Were Here, Meddle, and a few others) but alas some of the tracks just sound like generic second rate trance....? What is going on here !?? Anyway, I know you can't really dance to this stuff, so those of you that feel the perpetual need to bounce around, please spare me from telling me that I shouldn't be wasting my time with this trance stuff... I don't care to hear it. If anybody has some serious info on this, I would really appreciate it For thos taht are interested... check out the "Meddle" disc. Also the 'Have a Cigar" mix from "Wish You Were Here" is quite good. thanks for your time ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nuts@cix.compulink.co.uk (Tom Nuttall) Subject: Criminal Justice Act Date: 28 Oct 1995 13:13 GMT > We don't hear much about it on this side of the pond. I just figured >that there'd be something big enough to be heard of internationally; >since the bill would contradict the US Constitution in several spots, I >figured there would be similar legal conflicts in the UK... (I really >need to take a class in British law or something before I go spouting >off, though) The British legal system has always been full of contradictions and conflicts - - that's one of the things that keeps it going. The ignorance about the CJA in this country is reflected by the fact that most people still refer to it as a Bill. Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nuts@cix.compulink.co.uk (Tom Nuttall) Subject: Guitar bands Date: 28 Oct 1995 13:13 GMT >but there are so few bands that are totally clean of technology these days >that can produce pieces of music that truelly moves the human. Or moved you, you mean. Don't impose objectivity inappropriately. >The age of samplers and sequencers coupled with analogue instruments has >totally revolutionised the way music is created and the way forward can not >really include 'traditional band set ups'. But why not? Why does it matter if the instrumentation is old if the music is new? Traditional setups do not necessarily lead to traditional music. Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jarskymm@tuns.ca (Magic Hands) Subject: Re: bootlegs? Date: 28 Oct 1995 13:04:23 -0300 >> >>Since nobody brought it up have there been any boot CDs of Orbital? Does >>anybody have any live recordings? I have a dat deck and mics and such and >>have a number of completely non-techno tapes to trade. Any (longshot) dat >>soundboard recordings out there? >> There is a live recording of Remind live at Glastonbury available on "The Serious Road Trip" compilation put out by Melody Maker. Sound Quality: OK Orbital: !!!!!!!!. I not much of a fan of the compilation though. ** ** ** **** ** **** *** *** **** ** ** ** ** ** ** * * ** ** ** ** ** ** ** * * ** ** ** ** *** ** ** ** * * ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** * ** ** ** **** ** **** ** ** ** ** ** ***** ***= * ** ** **** *** ** ** ** ** *= * ** ** ** ** ** * ** ** ** ***** ** ** ** ** ** ** * ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** * ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ***** ***** =A9 =A9copyright Fierce Yogi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick davey Subject: [none] Date: 30 Oct 1995 10:25:01 GMT Electronic music not proper music, what apsolute rubbish. It's people with attitudes like that which put the CJA into operation. I've had this argument before, and i'm sure i will again, but on the orbital mailing list? i ask you is this bizzare, or what? Well the argument usually goes something like this: - -People who use machines and computers can't play proper instruments. - -Well what is a proper instrument then? - -You know guitars and things. - -Yeah but guitarists usually use electronic pedals and loud electronic amplifiers to make this 'real music' - -Yeah but they're playing something live at least. - -So can techno artists. - -Not really. Isn't it all DJ's and stuff. - -Well it can be DJ's and stuff, but lots of techno artists can play live. Look at people like J.M.Jarre who uses keyboards and computers then uses an orchestra live to the same effect. In essence isn't using a keyboard and a computer saving the trouble of having to use a whole load of instruments? - -Yeah but they don't sound the same. - -Well if they sounded the same there would be no difference, and you'd probably be listening to computer instead of guitars. - -No I wouldn't... - -Well these real bands use electronic recording equipment to make these records, they don't all just like play them live altogether in a studio you know. It's similar to the way techno tracks are overlayed bit by bit. - -Yeah but techno/electronic music can't be performed like a band. - -Give enough people enough machines and they can. People like Autechre play gigs in pubs. - -Yeah but you don't actually have to learn to play anything...isn't it all sampling and drum machines? - -Well obvoiusly your well versed. No it's not all sampling and stuff. There is an element of sampling involved. You sill have to know how to construct a rhythem, and you have to know how to play the basics on a keyboard. Anyway remember punk....this is a chord, this is another chord, here is a third chord now form a band...Everyone said that punk bands couldn't play. Often thses artists like cosmic baby are internationl class pianists. I'm sure they could play there tunes on a piano without any accompamant and sound damn fine... etc...I can't be bothered to go on..you get the point though. Anyway sorry about my rantings i just hate closed mindedness. Thanks for the depthcharge info. If you haven't heard the latest Depth charge single 'Legend of the gold snake' It's got four killer tracks with heavy trip hoppy-techno beats similar in some respect to times fly, with some interesting sounding oriental overtones. By for now NICK. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Filthy Mick Subject: Re: Orbital Mailing List Digest V1 #42 Date: 30 Oct 1995 10:35:27 GMT Dear folks, 'Twas myself who recommended the Pentatonik double disc, and it IS good stuff. NME over here said it was too Orbital derivative to be callled a proper release when it was first put out, but that seemed like a great recommendation so I bought it. Check out their latest release "Credo" which is AWESOME...one of those completely "obvious" tunes, if you know what I mean. As to the Orbital bootlegs, I've been searching fruitlessly for ages for their amazing Glastonbury set of last year, but to no avail. Anyone else get lucky? Oh, and if you don't like the Serious Road Trip compilation that the live "Remind" is on then I suggest you get a hold of the much superior "Survival 2000" compilation which boasts a host of great unreleased tracks by (current favourites) Dread Zone, as well as ones by Loop Guru, Transglobal Underground and a fantastic Global Communictaions remix of The Grids' "Rollercoaster". All in all, top notch stuff and a must if you see it second-hand. Can anyone tell me if there are any plans for an American "Times Fly" CD release or possible remixes? Has there already been a four-track US issue? I haven't seen it on import anywhere over here. Further, I heard that some of the up- and-coming London junglists seemed keen on Orbitals' new drum 'n' bass sound on the EP....new fans, perhaps? Or the shape of things to come? Discuss! Filthy Mick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: may@masadm1.mas.eurocontrol.be (Richard Mayer) Subject: RE: Indie kids - Phwa, who'd 'ave 'em? Date: 30 Oct 1995 10:35:27 GMT HEY IT'S OK !! For all you people who are seething as much as i was last week about this *proper* music stuff I just wanna remind you it nobody on *this* list that started it..........!!!! It's a quote (from a personal mail to me) from some arse on the UK-Indie list. I was so shocked by it, i *had* to vent my anger somehow. Rather that get into a heated debate with this pleb (who incidently was getting flamed even on the Indie list for his immature "Oasis are shit" mails 50x day) i thought i'd vent my anger passively, with like (myself) minded people !! Sorry to have stirred up this arcane point... i was just sooooooooooooooooo mad last week and wanted an e-shoulder to cry on !!!!!!!!! cheers now, rich ________________________________________________________________________________ "...studies by cosmotherapists have revealed that the violence of the Big Bang can give a universe serious psychological problems when it gets older." Terry Pratchett - Eric (.sig inspired by the other Pratchett quote on the list) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ryu" Subject: benefits of electronic music as i see it... Date: 30 Oct 1995 12:15:39 -0600 (CST) there's been some discussion on the pros/cons of making music electronically. here is my 2 yen: this is what electronic music does. it lets you skip all the hubbub of learning hand positions, sheet music, chords, hair styles, and ass kissing... and puts you right into the most important part of the music: IMAGINATION! imagination is what separates electronic music from just regular acoustic stuff. those who don't think it's music (generally) just don't understand it. they're used to playing stuff that sounds like mtv...and that's it (stereotypically). it's possible that imagination and making something "new" was never their main priority. there's nothing wrong with acoustic music, but we've all heard guitars and drums time and time again, and while you can run them through numerous effects, they still sound like guitars and drums. sure you can change them enuff so that they sound totally different, but at that point, why not just play a synth? and furthermore, if effect changes are your game, sampling is the most efficient. personally, i'm just tire of the guitar sound. and conservatism, conformity, and standards all together. i think eventually, electronic music will take over. some big name industrial bands are becoming quite popular here in the us (nin, white zombie, marilyn manson, lords of acid, etc...). while techno hasn't really caught on with mainstream radio and tv, more and more people are beginning to go to raves and clubs to dance. i guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens. thanx for reading, love, ryu Power Without Perception Means Nothing and is Therefore Spiritually Useless. For Perception is the Key to Unlock the Intagible Power of the Spirit. ******************* **** XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX**** ***OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOXXXXXXXXXXX*** YOU **OOOOOOOOOOOOXXOOOOOOOOXXXXXXXXXXX** MUST *OOOOOOOOOOOOOXXXXOOOOOOOOXXXXXXXXXXXX* DEFEAT *OOOOOOOOOOOOOOXXOOOOOOOXXXXXXXXXXXXXX* SHENG LONG *OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX* TO *OOOOOOOOOOOOOOXXXXXOOXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX* STAND *OOOOOOOOOOOXXXXXXOOOOXXXXXXXXXXXXXX* A **OOOOOOOOOOXXXXXXOOXXXXXXXXXXXXX** CHANCE. ***OOOOOOOOOXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX*** ****OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO **** ***************** Ryu jwz109@psu.edu 412+869+0908 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jamesdp@dcs.gla.ac.uk (Flash) Subject: The CJB and Free Parties Date: 30 Oct 1995 18:25:45 +0000 >The Criminal Justice Bill was a bill passed, which updated existing >laws, aswell as new ones. >The laws which have come under attack are aimed at people rights!!! >For example the right to silence has been altered, >Travellers can now be arrested for travelling in a convey ( of more >than about 10 cars?? ) >You can be arrested for attending a gathering and even stopped >getting there, this includes spirtual gatherings ( summer soltice ) >as well as parties.....( music is defined as having a repetative >beat ) and protests... > These are only a few, thats all I can remember.... >To be honest, people involved in free / illeagal parties will not be >drastically effected ( only hindered more!! ), most broke the law any >way by trespassing!!! I am part of a group of people in Glasgow who spend a large portion of their time organising free parties in Glasgow, and, during the summer, all over Scotland. This summer we plan to travel to England as well, and ultimatly end up at the Love Parade in Germany. Two weeks ago we had a party where Twitch, from Pure in Edinburgh and Cajmere (Green Velvet) turned up. In Scotland the CJB seems not to be having much effect, we don't get any more hassle from the police this year than we did last year. In fact, when the police come the dialogue goes something like this: Police (shouting to be heard over the loud thump of the music): We've 'ad some complaints. Us: Oooops, sorry we'll turn it down. Police: Right, just make sure you do, because we don't want to have to break up the party (this can be read as 'actually we're scared shitless that if we do we'll have 300+ nutted ravers rioting in the street') Us: absolulty no bother, see you later. (police shamble away, aided by lots of dirty looks by the partying massive) It does help if you are polite to the police, and we are known in Glasgow for parties and the police know us, and know that there is never any trouble. When we do ones outdoors providing we use common land, like a beach or a secluded carpark, and make sure that nobody will be disturbed by the noise, there is little the police can do, as the Bill states that people can only be charged under section 63 of the CJB (the 'repetitive beats' bit) only if they are causing a public disturbance or causing distress to members of the public. There IS ways around the CJB you just have to look at the small print. We had a party at the foot of Ben Nevis, near Fort William during the summer and were chased all round Fort William by the police, who had found out about it. One of our buses was turned back to Glasgow, but the other bus and the equipment made it to Fort William. We ended up having a storming party all night and when the police turned up in the morning, presumably to turn us away, they saw that we were causing no harm and just left us to it. One policeman even said as he left 'nice one lads, I like it' We had much the same respone in Arbroath, the only party to get shut down during the summer being in St Andrews, where we made to mistake of pointing 3K of sound towards the town!!!...;) The free parties must continue, if only for the reason to defy the police and show them that the selected parts of CJB is ineffective, and that it is NOT NECESSARY. Ravers want to enjoy themselves, not cause trouble, and the sooner the police realise this and adopt a MATURE attitude to techno and drugs the quicker they can go and catch proper criminals, and maybe have a positive effect on this fucked up scummy country \|||/ (o o) +-----oOOO--------O---------OOOo-----+ oooO | Darren James | Oooo ( ) | You might stop the party but | ( ) \ \ | you won't stop the future!! | / / \_) | E-mail : jamesdp@dcs.gla.ac.uk | (_/ +------------------------------------+ ****** B R E A C H O F T H E P E A C E****** ********************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: a 'new' thread Date: 30 Oct 1995 11:35:09 -0700 (MST) > I've noticed lately a lot of 'trance remix' bootlegs of Pink Floyd > Albums cropping up in the record bins lately. Now the rumours are that > these are being produced by THE ORB, but alas there are no markings > whatsoever in the box or on the disc to provide any clues... The Orb had nothing to do with these boots. There are apparently some Orb samples on some of 'em, but that's the extent of the connection. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nuts@cix.compulink.co.uk (Tom Nuttall) Subject: Orbital at Glastonbury '94 Date: 30 Oct 1995 19:35 GMT I saw a bootleg of this at Essex university, of all places, so it definitely does exist. Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Van Sucharski Subject: Re: a 'new' thread Date: 30 Oct 1995 15:12:22 -0600 (CST) Hold On! That cannot be confirmed or denied. Dr. Patterson will not, and I quote, "confirm or denie the mixes as being from the ORB". V ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick davey Subject: [none] Date: 30 Oct 1995 16:43:40 GMT On the basis of tyhe techno-proper music argument, i was meerly pointing out that the music which is deemed proper is just as electronic than techno is many respects, as well as the argument about electronic artists being able to play live ie jokes like hey did you hear the ORB unplugged...Neither did anyone else....ha ha ha, which has been many a indie kid argument and joke. I was infact not wishing to enter an argument about the were obviously better than you closed mindedness, it's not about winning or losing the argument, its by just showing that you should be open minded and that don't be hippocritical, find out the facts before you go charging in and blantantly stating stuff like your wrong, you like crap. Any way i'm finished with this subject as, i'm sure everyone is in agreement that you shouldn't be closed minded. Thank, NICK. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: a 'new' thread Date: 30 Oct 1995 16:27:30 -0700 (MST) > That cannot be confirmed or denied. Dr. Patterson will not, and I quote, > "confirm or denie the mixes as being from the ORB". Andy Hughes has posted to the Orb list stating very clearly that they were not. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: On Now: Devo - Duty Now For The Future ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Spychala Subject: Re: benefits of electronic music as i see it... Date: 30 Oct 1995 17:43:05 -0500 At 12:15 PM 10/30/95 -0600, he wrote: >there's been some discussion on the pros/cons of making music >electronically. here is my 2 yen: > > this is what electronic music does. it lets you skip all the hubbub of >learning hand positions, sheet music, chords, hair styles, and ass >kissing... Well you still kind'a have to know something about music if you are an electronic musician. Electronic music might even be harder to grasp than "regular" guitar saturated stuff. You have to learn how to use the sequencers, the whole big ass set of synthesizers and such. Plus that shit is more expensive that a guitar and an amp. :( >and puts you right into the most important part of the music: >IMAGINATION! Yes I totally agree with you on that part!! >imagination is what separates electronic music from just >regular acoustic stuff. Wait a minute, so you think that anyone who writes a song for the guitar lack imagination. Techno and Rock 'n Roll are just two different music groups. You must to have imagination to be successful in either of them. Just think that water painting and oil painting are both two kinds of "art." You wouldn't say that someone has more imagination for using one instead of the other. >those who don't think it's music (generally) just >don't understand it. they're used to playing stuff that sounds like >mtv...and that's it (stereotypically). it's possible that imagination and >making something "new" was never their main priority. Anyone who automatically buys a record from MTV's "most wanted" needs to get more cultured. It is best if you listen to what you listen to because you like it -- it makes you feel good (like techno), NOT because it's in some stupid category. > there's nothing wrong with acoustic music, but we've all heard >guitars and drums time and time again, and while you can run them through >numerous effects, they still sound like guitars and drums. sure you can >change them enuff so that they sound totally different, but at that point, >why not just play a synth? and furthermore, if effect changes are your >game, sampling is the most efficient. I'll bet that in a couple of years you'll be talking about a different kind of music that is "NEW." Of course something that you like might be designed by the word "new" or whatever, but my point is that you should listen to what you like and not what Idalis or Kennedy feed you everyday. rob :.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.: rspychal@vt.edu http://www.vt.edu:10021/R/rspychal/index.html "life is like a runway wrapped inside the belly of an airplane" - word of the wise ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Burns Subject: Re: benefits of electronic music as i see it... Date: 30 Oct 1995 16:19:21 -0500 (EST) OK I don't want a fight about this, but I have some problems with your argument here. > this is what electronic music does. it lets you skip all the hubbub of > learning hand positions, sheet music, chords, hair styles, and ass > kissing... If you think that the techno world of music doesn't have its share of 'hair styles' and 'ass kissing' and posturing, that's rather short sighted I am always angered by people who (usually to criticize techno) who say 'all it is is computer programming and no musical talent', unfortunately that's what this arguement sounds like. Creating music the likes of Orbital or Underworld or the Chemical Brothers or Kraftwerk for that matter is not simple! Instructing a machine that does not speak english to put together a 4/4 and 5/4 rythm and coordinate it with key changes and syncopated backbeats is not easy. As a matter of fact, I think that most techno artists need a better command of this than do 'traditional musicians'. You tell even most even professional musicians to deal with some of those things and they will have no idea what you're talking about. the 'skill' level is about whether you have a breadth of technical knowledge or an intuitive knowledge of your instrument. Which in my opinion ALL Artists have to have. > and puts you right into the most > important part of the music: > IMAGINATION! imagination is what separates electronic music from just > regular acoustic stuff. those who don't think it's music (generally) just > don't understand it. they're used to playing stuff that sounds like > mtv...and that's it (stereotypically). it's possible that imagination and > making something "new" was never their main priority. very possibly its not all about newness at all. But maybe its about making a listener're-experience' music. You never hear something completely fresh. When you hear a guitar based pop-song you take to it every guitar you've ever heard from the Beatles to Hendrix to Springsteen to Eddie Van Halen (to cover perhaps the worst in the field) The same with techno... techno isn't new. People were amazed at the possibilities of techno way back when the Moog was invented. but the history of techno music as a genre has been about what artists have done with the medium. > there's nothing wrong with acoustic music, but we've all heard > guitars and drums time and time again, and while you can run them through > numerous effects, they still sound like guitars and drums. sure you can > change them enuff so that they sound totally different, but at that point, > why not just play a synth? because we already know that you can make a synth sound like anything you want to. what's the challenge in that? Its sorta like painting. You can paint the most detailed picture in the world, or you can throw paint around like Jackson Pollack. The point isn't the instrument itself, but how you use it. Playing a guitar with lost of effects is kinda ABOUT what the listener's expectations are from a guitar and what the expressive talent of the musician is after. go see MBV live. >and furthermore, if effect changes are your > game, sampling is the most efficient. actually sampling really isn't the most 'efficient'. It does require significant amounts of specialized knowledge skill and equiptment. Rather like being able to navigate an effect board for a guitar. > personally, i'm just tire of the guitar sound. and conservatism, > conformity, and standards all together. How did conformity come to be equated with 'the guitar sound'? I think there are a lot of techno bands that use a 'guitar sound' quite ingeniously and revolutionarily (if thats a word) > i think eventually, electronic > music will take over. some big name industrial bands are becoming quite > popular here in the us (nin, white zombie, marilyn manson, lords of acid, > etc...). while techno hasn't really caught on with mainstream radio and tv, > more and more people are beginning to go to raves and clubs to dance. > i guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens. there will always be music that 'has a good beat and you can dance to it' but I for one won't be giving it a 98. I don't think its wise to make projections about what is or is not going to be a dominant trend in music. There a genres and there are good and bad artists in both. 'Electronic music' and 'dance music' can easily be conflated with such things as Erasure or worse... more avant garde approaches to 'techno' are arguably quite different and doing much more interesting things with music... but its not a matter of them simply being good because they are techno oriented. They (and Orbital) are artists because they make you hear their instruments in a way that you never have before. Please don't take this as an attack. There's lots of people that are 'tired of the guitar sound'. And I guess there's nothing wrong with that. Taste is taste. But you can't base music criticism on taste alone. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: climate@primenet.com (Abraham Heward) Subject: "proper music" Date: 30 Oct 1995 19:55:16 -0700 (MST) At 10:25 AM 10/30/95 GMT, nick davey wrote: >Well the argument usually goes something like this: >-People who use machines and computers can't play proper >instruments. >-Well what is a proper instrument then? >-You know guitars and things. >-Yeah but guitarists usually use electronic pedals and loud >electronic amplifiers to make this 'real music' This answer validates the argument of the objector by allowing that electronics are somehow not "proper." Therefore the objector has already won the argument, here. A better way to argue it is to say that there's no such thing as a "proper" instrument. Anything that moves the air in an audible manner, whether through a speaker or through some sort of resonating surface or diaphram, should be considered an "instrument." >-Yeah but they're playing something live at least. >-So can techno artists. Once again this argument grants the objector's premise, which is not correct. Every time you listen to a CD you're listening to something that's electronic, and not live. People who make the above argument should throw away their stereos and only listen to live acoustic music. The important part of music is not the medium or the method in which it is delivered, but its content--the melodies and harmonies. >-Not really. Isn't it all DJ's and stuff. >-Well it can be DJ's and stuff, but lots of techno artists >can play live. Look at people like J.M.Jarre who uses Who gives a shit whether Techno artists can play live? Stop granting the arguer his or her premises! What it really boils down to is that some people don't like Techno, which is fine. Just get them to admit that it's something subjective--and that that's okay--so they should stop trying to justify their opinions through objective means. We could just as easily come up with stupid and useless arguments as to why Rock and Roll is not "proper" music, and many people already have. >-Yeah but techno/electronic music can't be performed like a >band. >-Give enough people enough machines and they can. People >like Autechre play gigs in pubs. Who cares!? Whether or not it can or can't be played like a band makes no difference to the music. Again you're validating their premise. >-Yeah but you don't actually have to learn to play >anything...isn't it all sampling and drum machines? >-Well obvoiusly your well versed. No it's not all sampling >and stuff. There is an element of sampling involved. You Yes, it *is* all sampling and stuff. So what? So is an entire CD. How does this fact make it somehow not "proper"? The fact that you validated nearly every premise of the above argument makes me incredibly angry, having been a techno musician with nearly no technical skill. I'm sick of people focusing on how the music is made and not on the music itself, which should be the real focus. Abe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Goethe Subject: Re: Orb Pink Floyd Mixes..Not Date: 30 Oct 1995 18:56:12 -0800 (PST) On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Van Sucharski wrote: > And Andy Huges is who? I realize that he was involved with them but in > what way? I'm sorry, but I just have to stick with Patterson...Not > saying they did and not saying they did not. Aaargh. Stick with him being not denying or confirming? What is there to stick with? If someone connected to the Orb clearly states there was no connection to the Pink Floyd mixes what else do you need? Besides some of the mixes were so poorly and cheesily done it would be the upset of the century if the Orb really did do them. Didn't you know this was a marketing gimmick to sell the darn things? Throw in some Orb samples and start a rumour the Orb did the mixing and you have a cash cow. T. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul <777@meme.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Orbital Mailing List Digest V1 #38 Date: 29 Oct 1995 23:47:51 -1200 >However, I am of the opinion that Darren Emerson likes to take a >track and mix in half of "Rez", 'cos most of his remixes all sound >pretty similar..... or have I just offended half of you lot with that? Yeah, I reckon he does do that. Not that it bothers me. Underworld, like The Fall, may rationally be described as only having one song. But it's so good it doesn't matter. On the other hand... the mixes of the Chemicls' Leave Home are gobsmacking, a whole new direction. And largely ripped off from the Born Slippy EP. And that's a good thing. > Underworld are another of those bands who play much harder techno >live than what they put on their albums. ... well... check out the remixes, they'll blow your socks off when you get into them. Paul 777 * A.I.N. * Turbulence PO Box 3641 London WC1N 3XX UK * Rise Up / Wise Up ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: a 'new' thread Date: 29 Oct 1995 23:47:51 -1200 > And Andy Huges is who? I realize that he was involved with them but in > what way? As far as I know Andy Hughes is the "other" member of the Orb at the moment, Kris Weston having left in a snit earlier this year. > I'm sorry, but I just have to stick with Patterson...Not saying they did > and not saying they did not. I'd be more inclined to believe this if you gave some indication of where exactly he said this. I don't see where Hughes has any reason to lie. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis M. Morales Jr." Subject: Re: benefits.../awww... Date: 31 Oct 1995 00:46:05 -0600 (CST) > 'Electronic music' and 'dance music' can easily be conflated with such > things as Erasure or worse... more avant garde approaches to 'techno' are awww... i think "I SAY I Say i say" is most excellent in every sense of, well, whatever!! i guess i just had to stand up for that, nothing else. later on and on and on... great things you said in your reply though... preach on, brother bevis. ====================================================================== dennis morales jr. internet://dmorales@engr.latech.edu http://www.latech.edu/~dmorales/ voice://318.251.3899 postal://201 e. arizona ave. #2, ruston LA 71270-5070 ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick davey Subject: [none] Date: 31 Oct 1995 09:41:35 GMT Talking of Orbital remixes, the first track on Trance europe express, called semi-detached, i believe, started life as a remix of one of their tracks (detached maybe). It sounded so different from the original that they decided it was worthy of being a seperate track. Semi-Detached also appeared on the peel session release, so it wasn't just a stick it on a new and upcoming magazine-comp album and then forget about it, track. Anyway I know of the orbital remix of the Golden Girls 'Kinetic' on R&S. The remix has large orbital influence, the tune sounds similar to the style of times-fly slow, in my opinion. Also The Mutations 12" on FFRR, features remixes of the early tracks by people such as Moby-who doesn't really impress me, Joey Beltram, the remix is damn fine, Meat Beat Manifesto.....and someone else. The 12" is good if you like to hear the early stuff played around with. Spead Freak rmx definately reminds me of the early rave techno and the rave scene. I also remember down-loading a remix of chime-made practically gabba from the Kosmic Light Foundation ftp sight. I think it was a wave file that lasted a bout five-mins or so. If yer into Pink Floyd remixes (which i'm not) try getting the Sandkings 'Heart of the sun' on GPR. It features sid barrat singing 'set your controls for the heart of the sun' with an ambient backdrop of synths, and a beat that is farly constant yet not protruding or particularly dancable. Interesting to say the least. By NICK. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick" Subject: MBV Date: 31 Oct 1995 10:23:40 GMT0BST > go see MBV live Yeah, right. You might have problems. When was the last time they did a live gig? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick" Subject: Madonna Date: 31 Oct 1995 10:28:11 GMT0BST I keep seeing this Madonna single in the shops with an orbital mix on it and I wonder what it sounds like (can't remember the track) but I can't pluck up the courage to actually BUY a Madonna single and so I continue to wonder. Good?/Bad?/Ugly? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Murphy Subject: Re: Orbital Mailing List Digest V1 #38 Date: 31 Oct 1995 11:46:01 +0000 (gmt) Rez absolutely rocks big time!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hayden Pritchard Subject: Re: Best Orbital Tracks...take one Date: 31 Oct 1995 11:46:01 +0000 (gmt) >From: Joseph Burns >Subject: Re: Best Orbital Tracks...take one >I agree that Halcyon+on+oon is my personal fav >i think it is the best balance they've acheived between blissed out >texture atmosphere, incredibly complex rhythm, strangely beautiful >noises, make-me-want-to-dance-around-a-bit, plus a drug reference all >rolled into onw I have to agree with Joseph, and his discription. Followed swiftly in second place by Wish I had duck feet, I like the contrast and connection between the freak show host and the voice of the woman selling cosmetic surgery - very clear. Hayden Pritchard ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Filthy Mick Subject: Roger Irrelevant speaketh Date: 31 Oct 1995 14:58:13 GMT Dear mailers, I just had a thought....do the majority of you out there listen to Orbital and other stuff on CD, vinyl or tape? I'm a CD man myself but I've just tried me hand at mixing (for the first time) round at a DJ mates house and was amazed with the effects of blending the Massive Attack dub album into "Times Fly". Strange but true! I might have to get the vinyl albums and twelves now. there goes the rest of my student loan.... Oh, and does anyone have a girlfriend/spouse/something like that who likes Orbital as well? My missus won't touch the stuff, says she prefers Miles Davis..... Filthy Mick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ryu" Subject: Re: Orbital Mailing List Digest V1 #44 Date: 31 Oct 1995 09:56:10 -0600 (CST) In message Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:49:22 GMT, Filthy Mick writes: > OK, OK. This electronic/real instruments/pub rock rules stuff is > getting a bit silly. Calm down everyone. Take a deep breath. It > doesn't actually MATTER if you think something's a bit > shite....you're RIGHT. And the next person along who thinks it's > great, s/he's right as well. Intolerance for other peoples point of > view has caused a lot of problems in the world, so lets everyone just > drop the subject there, please? > you are right. i'm sorry for causing a stir. good music is only defined by whether you like it or not, and everybody is different. i often shoot off without thinking to much (kinda like sex). thanx for reading, love, ryu Power Without Perception Means Nothing and is Therefore Spiritually Useless. For Perception is the Key to Unlock the Intagible Power of the Spirit. ******************* **** XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX**** ***................XXXXXXXXXXX*** YOU **............XX........XXXXXXXXXXX** MUST *.............XXXX........XXXXXXXXXXXX* DEFEAT *..............XX........XXXXXXXXXXXXX* SHENG LONG *.................XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX* TO *..............XXXXX..XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX* STAND *...........XXXXXX....XXXXXXXXXXXXXX* A **..........XXXXXX..XXXXXXXXXXXXX** CHANCE. ***.........XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX*** ****................ **** ***************** Ryu jwz109@psu.edu 412+869+0908 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) Subject: Roger Irrelevant speaketh Date: 31 Oct 1995 09:56:10 -0600 (CST) > I'm a CD man myself but I've just tried me hand at mixing (for > the first time) round at a DJ mates house and was amazed with the > effects of blending the Massive Attack dub album into "Times Fly". > > Strange but true! I might have to get the vinyl albums and twelves > now. there goes the rest of my student loan.... Or another cd player, a mixing board, and a sense of timing. Mixing with cd's is easy, you don't have to go vinyl. Although, it is a lot cooler. MC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "L.NICHOLSON" Subject: Music on the net Date: 31 Oct 1995 16:12:44 GMT+0 Greetings to everyone on the Orbital mailing list, The net........will it cause the downfall of the music industry as we know it, the end to record packaging plants, the end to record shops, the end to that product we hold in our hands that we put on the record, CD or tape player?........what do you think. I desperately need to know whether any of you out there have any information and/or personal opinions concerning the above. If you do, I would love it if you could share it with me. 1) do you know of companies who send music down the net, 2) the concept of downloading music onto your own computer, 3) how the music industry is affected by such a concept, 4) opportunities and/or threats to record companies, Have you got anything!!!!!!!!!! Then please help me, Cheers, Lee. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Murphy Subject: Re: Roger Irrelevant speaketh Date: 31 Oct 1995 16:33:36 +0000 (gmt) DJing on a radio show here at uni, I can use vinyl or cd's or both, and blend the effect equally well! - warning - spinning tunes is severely addictive!! My mates and I stayed up all weekend las weekend doing nothing but eating and spinning vinyl - ( it got to such a state that we were playing Anything - even old val doonican records towards the end ! ) You have been warned!! j ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick davey Subject: [none] Date: 31 Oct 1995 16:22:44 GMT Yes mutations is pretty good, just for the reminiscance of raves past. Anyway the Golden girls orbital remix was released as a 12" on R&S, I think it is still available, But i have it on a cd comp called Technovisions vol 1, out on rumour recs. I have also got the track on a free r&S comp tape given away with musik magazine. The tape also features dj hell's 'my definition of house music' and all in all lasts for about seventy minutes. nick. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: may@masadm1.mas.eurocontrol.be (Richard Mayer) Subject: Re: Roger Irrelevant speaketh Date: 31 Oct 1995 17:45:46 GMT >do the majority of you out there listen to >Orbital and other stuff on CD, vinyl or tape? Have to admit (cos I'm not proud of it) I'm a 99.9% CD person now. I only buy vinyl if it's second hand, AND cheap, collectable or not available on CD. Trouble is I'm a lazy bastard which means i) i can't be bothered looking in specialist record only shops ii) can't even normally be bothered to look at the "records corner" in other shops and iii) most of all - can't be bothered to turn the record over now !!! But also whilst I'm not living in the UK I couldn't be bothered carting all my records over. However, I do miss not having it there and being FORCED to buy CD's. I like vinyl. >I'm a CD man myself but I've just tried me hand at mixing (for >the first time) round at a DJ mates house and was amazed with the >effects of blending the Massive Attack dub album into "Times Fly". I tried it once and it's bloody good fun!! That is one thing that could tempt me to buy records again. Problem there is I'd need two proper decks and I don't have enough time on my handds as it is to MAKE my OWN music, nevermind mix other peoples. I think I'm best keeping that out of mind for my own sake - expensive toy syndrome!! >Oh, and does anyone have a girlfriend/spouse/something like that who >likes Orbital as well? Thankfully yes. At last I've met somebody with whom probably 80-odd% of our respective music tastes overlap. It's a shame 80-odd% of our other opinions don't overlap, that's all!!! Hey, that's a point. Are there any females on this list? I don't recall seeing female names but Orbital are by no means a "Lads band". ttfn, Rich ================================================================================ "Do you remember last week, I promised to tell you today, how to become a space cadet?" A Sample - POSSIBLY The Last Starfighter. A movie released 1985-1986 (??) or from the old show "Tom Corbett: Space Cadet!" (Can anybody help?) ================================================================================ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: may@masadm1.mas.eurocontrol.be (Richard Mayer) Subject: Re: Roger Irrelevant speaketh Date: 31 Oct 1995 18:15:16 GMT >Or another cd player, a mixing board, and a sense of timing. Mixing with cd's >is easy, you don't have to go vinyl. Although, it is a lot cooler. I tried that recently, but didn't find it particularly easy, especially if the track listings don't give the bpm. The advantage of decks is being able to slow down or speed up the record within a few bpm of its original speed thus making many more tracks mixable. ....i think !!!!! Shit, please don't any experienced DJ's / mixers shoot me down! I'm just sbd whose tried both types of mixing (only once) and found records easier to manipulate. Rich ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jarskymm@tuns.ca (Magic Hands) Subject: Re: Roger Irrelevant speaketh Date: 31 Oct 1995 14:45:57 -0400 > >To:Filthy Mick >From:jarskymm@tuns.ca (Magic Hands) >Subject:Re: Roger Irrelevant speaketh > >>Dear mailers, >> >>I just had a thought....do the majority of you out there listen to >>Orbital and other stuff on CD, vinyl or tape? > > >I too am a CD person, and just recently had the opportunity to mix on CD >using one of those Denon double deck, pitch variable, speed variable >players. What a riot. My understanding (from one of the "how to be a DJ" >websites) is that one of these beauties can be mail-ordered from Los >Angeles for about U.$. 1000.00. I'm saving up. > >Most of my DJ friends however, mix on vinyl, and I think it probably is a >more flexible, free-wheeling (so to speak) way of doing things. I do own >about 10 12"s. > >I really can't remeber the last time I listened to a tape, (except in the >car), I can scarce imagine going back to that sorry format after ten years >of discs. (It is more portable, I know, but the sound... and they're not >even all that much cheaper than discs anymore. (at least not here in >Canada.)) > > >>Oh, and does anyone have a girlfriend/spouse/something like that who >>likes Orbital as well? My missus won't touch the stuff, says she >>prefers Miles Davis..... > >I recently broke up with my LONGtime girlfriend. I won't blame Orbital for >it, but most every time she came home after me, she entered the apartment >to the din of really loud music. She didn't mind the music itself (though >it was not her scene), mostly the volume. > >I wonder how many women are on this list? This message came from Matt. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jarskymm@tuns.ca (Magic Hands) Subject: Re: Music on the net Date: 31 Oct 1995 14:55:34 -0400 > >To:"L.NICHOLSON" >From:jarskymm@tuns.ca (Magic Hands) >Subject:Re: Music on the net > >I remember hearing a while ago about a machine that will be placed in your >record store which will be linked via the phones to a master computer full >of music, which upon request and following a suitable cash injection, will >download the album of your choice and copy it onto a blank disc, print out >the album art and spit the whole package out at you. Whoa. > >Otherwise, I think we are in for a lot of big changes. The whole idea of a >CD is sooo primitive, in that it involves a mechanical interface. You've >got to pop this piece of recorded media onto this little shelf, then it is >spun round really fast...you know what I mean. > >In the future (and these are my own unsubstantiated predictions), music >media will become far less tangible. If it isn't being downloaded straight >off the net into your stereo/computer, then at the very least, the CD >will be replaced by a chip or crystal or something which will plug right >into a player, without having to be rotated in any fashion. > This message came from Matt. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jarskymm@tuns.ca (Magic Hands) Subject: Re: Roger Irrelevant speaketh Date: 31 Oct 1995 16:32:14 -0400 John Murphy wrote warning - spinning tunes is severely >>addictive!! My mates and I stayed up all weekend las weekend doing >>nothing but eating and spinning vinyl - ( it got to such a state that we >>were playing Anything - even old val doonican records towards the >>end ! ) >>You have been warned!! >>j > Back home in Toronto, (I am at school in Halifax), I and ALL of my pals have got mixers. A couple have got two turntables, and whenever we get together, some mixing occurs, be it from CD or vinyl. It has gotten to the point where, I had assumed, up 'til now, that everybody who listened to techno (that is everyone on this list) was, at the very least, an erstwhile DJ. Mixing live, for your mates is easy and fun. Mixing to a tape is another matter. Every transition has to be just so when it is being recorded for posteriority, and if you screw up you've got to start the whole side over. It can take a lot of the fun out of it if you're not careful. You don't want to mix a whole side only to fuck up the last mix, say by pressing pause on the wrong deck!!! BUT, if you haven't had the chance... you've got to seek out the opportunity. Also, mixing for a crowd on dance floor is another matter, they expect to hear something new done with the music, just cross-fading from one deck to another, no matter how nicely the beats match, won't make for a fulfilling experience. If you can get to the point where you're cutting back and forth between decks, or overlaying a breakbeat passage from one track onto the ambient bit of another, then you'll be ready to really shake the dancefloor. Hell, you'll probably have a career. This message came from Matt. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Mccallum Subject: Re: Madonna/Orbital/Vasquez Date: 31 Oct 1995 15:40:34 -0800 (PST) On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Nick wrote: > I keep seeing this Madonna single in the shops with an orbital mix on > it and I wonder what it sounds like (can't remember the track) but I > can't pluck up the courage to actually BUY a Madonna single and so I > continue to wonder. Good?/Bad?/Ugly? Madonna's "Bedtime Stories". It's a tough call. I bought it for the Orbital remix, then found myself liking the Junior Vasquez mixes more than the Orbital remix, then ended up selling it because I grew tired of the whole damn thing. As far as the Orbital remix goes, it's a mid-tempo number with a fairly groovy bassline and the Brothers keep _all_ her vocals. (And I think it is one of Bjork's rather weak lyrical efforts.) David, wondering about Madonna's new song with Massive Attack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Burns Subject: Re: Music on the net Date: 31 Oct 1995 14:49:49 -0500 (EST) I think you're a little too apocalyptic for your own good. 'Net based' music will probably become a genre amongst many, but you visions of a record label free utopia of communal access music is a little too much... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jason martin Subject: (313) Movable Parts mailing list Date: 27 Oct 1995 15:18:18 +0930 (CST) The movable parts techno music production list is now up and running (pretty much), so if you have a hankerin' to discuss the production technique on your latest 'piece, have some problem with that pesky Dx100, want to know how to do those cool Derrick May back-edits but was born into the DAT generation, or want to know where and how to get records pressed (so that Pete Jinman doesn't get annoyed) then get yourself subscribed if you haven't already.. Just Mail to: Movable-parts-request@smug.student.adelaide.edu.au with the message: subscribe movable-parts in the bulk of your message.. For all those ppl that mailed me before and who I promised I'd subscribe to the list automatically, it'll be _much_ quicker if you can do it yourself - I'm fresh out of time at the moment with exams and so on.. thanks! out, Jason (Movable-parts mailing list)