From: Mike Wasisco - Synet Subject: re:Orbital, live online from chicago Date: 01 Jul 1996 00:49:47 -0500 (CDT) > > What time from ? Will it be archived ? > and last but not least.....ANYBODY GOT ANY LIVE STUFF ???? Doors open at 8pm chicago time... we'll start with images of the crowd and venue beforehand. I'm still waiting for confirmation to netcast Spacetime Continuum. Anyhow, I would expect that Orbital will be starting around 10pm CST A sonically improved archive will be accessible for 30 days after the show. Check www.needle-drop.com for updates and more info mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr disco" Subject: The Box video Date: 01 Jul 1996 02:04:22 -0400 Hiya Well, they finally played it on MTV here in America. As expected, they waited until almost 2am to play it, and then as if too add insult to injury, they played Veruca Salt's "Seether" right after... :P Anyway... I guess the best way to describe the video is GLOOMY. It's got a lot of pretty obvious environmental images (the dirty waterfront, the overflowing trash can, the cars speeding past the parked bicycle...) that really sets the mood to a downer. I guess the song itself isn't very happy to begin with, but after watching the video, it just seems so dark and sad. I'm still wondering who the girl is supposed to be... is she some time traveller from the past? ...a visiting alien perhaps? She's pretty good at evoking her feeling of disillusionment to the viewer. Also, I wonder if there's any significance to the big white building at the beginning and end. I forgot what the letters on the building said. I still don't know why I didn't record the damn thing... Mr disco -- Mr disco==mrdisco@mindspring.com==http://www.mindspring.com/~mrdisco/ "The universe is at any time what you say it is." -James Burke ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bigsixty@aol.com Subject: Re: Preferred listening Date: 01 Jul 1996 02:25:27 -0400 Loud. Anytime. Anywhere. Big fat car stereo's with 12" woofers for all to hear. My car has little speakers and only radio. Aurgh. But in my room, my system is nice. Loud. Clear. I do like Surround Sound though. It wasn't recorded in it, but some settings give some nifty echo's and weird sounds from the rear speakers. And hey, nifty echo's and weird sounds are cool. I have NEVER heard Orbital in a club. Orlando clubs suck.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bigsixty@aol.com Subject: The Box Video Date: 01 Jul 1996 02:24:24 -0400 First of all, thanx Shaun for pointing out the fact that it was coming on. I probably would not have caught it. Respect. And now, it's on. I loved it. I recorded the video of 'The Box' tonight. Very cool. The video is a bit bleak, but I like the message. For those who missed it, ouch. It had incredible , um, still frame type visuals. They have this woman (alien?) walking around a city (London?) just looking at all she sees. Sound boring? No. It is done so everything around her is moving in like a fast forward mode while she calmly walks at a normal jittery pace. The really cool thing though is that the camera is actually moving too. It is smooth. I really like it. A year ago, I happened to see 'Are we here?' also on 120minutes. Unfortunately I did not record it. Oops. I would love to see it again. I remember laundry machines and frogs. That is all. Does anyone, In Europe particularly, know of a video for Orbital. I happened to get an import Prodigy. Wow. I would love more "techno" videos on MTV in the US, but we suck and don't get it. Also FSOL? ORB? Anybody? Okay, I'm done now. Bye. Tyler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bongoman@mail.bogo.co.uk (Ian J Rawlins) Subject: RE: Preferred listening Date: 01 Jul 1996 09:41:05 GMT > >>---------- >>From: Anthony Agee[SMTP:orbital@wwi.net] >>Sent: Friday, June 28, 1996 1:14 PM >>To: orbital@xmission.com >>Subject: Preferred listening >> >> >> >> >>Attachment Converted: C:\DOWNLO~1\REPREFER > >What's the attachment, what do I view/play it with? >Thanks >Ian J Rawlins-TechnoBongo! > >Ian, I don't remember putting an attachment on! Hmm??? I wonder what happened.... > >Ethan S. Griffin > > > >Attachment Converted: C:\DOWNLO~1\REPREFER As you can see, it's done it again with your reply! Much weirdness abounds........ Currently playing: MILLION SHADES-SPRINGHEEL JACK Ian J Rawlins-TechnoBongo! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Dzilvelis" Subject: RE: Orbital's July 11/12 Florida Dates... Date: 01 Jul 1996 09:08:17 -0600 On Saturday, June 29, 1996 12:54 PM, Mwaasml@aol.com wrote: >Does anyone know anything for certain regarding the July 12th date for >Orbital at Club Nu/Resurrection in South Beach (Miami, FL)? =20 The tickets are already on sale, my friend already has some. There is = apparently quite a lag on the TM site. which makes it kind of a waste = for the "whats new" crowd. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron S. Gregory" Subject: Re: Orbital in Tampa Date: 01 Jul 1996 14:27:08 -0400 i'll be there, tickets ($8, tsi the steal of the century) are booked! after seeing pics from their albert hall gig, it's gonna be sweeeet. ciao aaron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Osborn Subject: Toronto Show Date: 01 Jul 1996 18:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Hey all those who'll be there on July 4th Seeing as the meeting place idea has died, i'll be: Wearing a Westham United Football Jersery (Dagenham Motors, blue/maroon), jeans and b/w Airwalks. C U All there! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr disco" Subject: Atlanta July 10th Date: 01 Jul 1996 18:25:38 -0400 Hi Is anyone else here going to be at the gig at the Masquerade next week? I will be in attendance by myself (since nobody in Columbus, GA appreciates good music). I'll be the one in the front row with the New Order t-shirt. Mr disco -- Mr disco==mrdisco@mindspring.com==http://www.mindspring.com/~mrdisco/ "The universe is at any time what you say it is." -James Burke ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: The Box video Date: 01 Jul 1996 19:34:40 EDT OR>Well, they finally played it on MTV here in America. As expected, they OR>waited until almost 2am to play it, and then as if too add insult to OR>injury, they played Veruca Salt's "Seether" right after... :P Yeah, no kidding. Seems like I heard somewhere that there is a full video of the 28 minute mix. Was I just dreaming or is there actually one? got OR>overflowing trash can, the cars speeding past the parked bicycle...) that OR>really sets the mood to a downer. I guess the song itself isn't very OR>happy to begin with, but after watching the video, it just seems so dark OR>and sad. I'm still wondering who the girl is supposed to be... is she OR>some time traveller from the past? ...a visiting alien perhaps? She's OR>pretty good at evoking her feeling of disillusionment to the viewer. OR>Also, I wonder if there's any significance to the big white building at OR>the beginning and end. I forgot what the letters on the building said. I OR>still don't know why I didn't record the damn thing... I sorta got the impression that it was like she was trapped inside the city, as if it were, oh, I dunno, a box, that she's trapped inside. Sort of a 'lost-in-an-uncaring-world' sort of vibe. -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: Re: Preferred listening Date: 01 Jul 1996 19:37:04 EDT My favorite place to listen to Orbital is about to be July 10th at the Masquerade in Atlanta. For now it's on the 400 watt per channel Carver with the DCM loudspeakers in my living room. I also like turning on the stereo *and* plugging in my Sennheisers in addition. that way you get the feel of the bass and also the very subtle nuances you only catch on headphones.. -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: Oh, and if you see your mother be sure to tell her Date: 01 Jul 1996 19:43:46 EDT Well, I just ordered tickets for the July 10 Atlanta show. Is anyone else planning on attending this show? Also, does anyone know who else is going to be playing? Is it still Spacetime Continuum? -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ealgren@d2.com (Eric Algren) Subject: Micky Mouse Gloves... Date: 01 Jul 1996 16:51:33 -0800 Where do ya get those Micky Mouse gloves? I need to have them... e X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@X@ Eric M. Algren Digital Domain ealgren@d2.com 310/314-2800 X3355 E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E!E! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: boo Subject: orbital gig Date: 01 Jul 1996 20:14:34 -0400 hello all, i am fairly new to this group and would like to say hi to everyone and invite you all to check out my page : http://www.accent.net/boo also i would like more info concerning the orbital gig in boston. where is it ? how much is it ? when does it start ? finish ? thx in advance. l8r. boo. Technical Consultant. TotalNet boo@accent.net http://www.accent.net/boo "A day without sunshine is like night." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Industrial Princess Subject: Vancouver show Date: 01 Jul 1996 17:46:17 -0700 (PDT) I saw the Vancouver show the other night (June 29th, but actually the 30th since it didn't start 'til after 2a.m.)--what a way to celebrate my birthday (the 30th)! I agree with the person who stated that it was more like a concert than a rave. Everyone was facing them and not really dancing too heavily. They didn't really work with the crowd--they just played a bunch of songs and they sounded just like on the CD. No Sniv songs at all. I guess it was over an hour, but it also seemed quite short. Also, it wasn't very loud at all (given it was outdoors at a drive-in), but still, I kept wishing I could find the volume button and really crank it. Those headband lights they wear looked pretty cool (like 2 white light eyeballs), and with the lights bouncing off the trees in the distance, it made for pretty incredible surroundings. Then after them there was a brief break then some DJ came on playing really bad, old house that kinda sucked and when the music finally started getting better, the cops broke it up around 4:30a.m.; smart, considering that they'd now have a slew of intoxicated and drugged up ravers on the highways driving around. I can't believe they would do something so ridiculously stupid. Anyway, it was a 6 out of 10 for a fun night out, and it was great to see and hear the Orbital live. > lame lloollaappaalloozzaa, how about rave-a-palooza? just a thought. Good idea. But I suppose people would say that it was too commercial and that raves should stay "underground". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mliguana Subject: Enet tour ###ORB### Date: 01 Jul 1996 19:59:45 -0500 The Orb!!!!!! Wow. I heard on 101X (Austin radio) something called the E-Net tour is coming. Something about Meat beat and the Orb. I haven't seen the Orb in a long time and would kill to find out they're playing in texas. Anyone got any info to share. Malc.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: Atlanta July 10th Date: 01 Jul 1996 21:48:16 EDT OR>Hi OR>Is anyone else here going to be at the gig at the Masquerade next week? I OR>will be in attendance by myself (since nobody in Columbus, GA appreciates OR>good music). I'll be the one in the front row with the New Order OR>t-shirt. I dunno what I'll be wearing, but I'll be the one in the front row with the black vinyl Airwalks (that's going spastic because he is actually seeing Orbital). -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Shiple" Subject: double mailings Date: 01 Jul 1996 18:23:16 -0700 I've tried orbital-request@xmission.com to try to unsub possible duplicate addresses, but no reply. Is everybody else getting double mailings or just me? -- /-> John Shiple Interface Designer Construct Internet Design squishy@construct.net http://www.construct.net/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr disco" Subject: Re: Oh, and if you see your mother be sure to tell her Date: 01 Jul 1996 22:01:24 -0400 Hiya > Well, I just ordered tickets for the July 10 Atlanta show. Is anyone > else planning on attending this show? Also, does anyone know who else is > going to be playing? Is it still Spacetime Continuum? As far as I know, yes. They seem to be the opening slot for most of the tour so far, so I'm guessing Atlanta won't be any different. I'll be there before the doors open at 10 so I can get dibs on the front row of people. Look for me in a New Order t-shirt and rectangle sunglasses. Mr disco ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bryan Subject: Re: Enet tour ###ORB### Date: 02 Jul 1996 00:09:06 -0400 (EDT) On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, mliguana wrote: > The Orb!!!!!! > > Wow. I heard on 101X (Austin radio) something called the E-Net tour is > coming. Something about Meat beat and the Orb. I haven't seen the Orb > in a long time and would kill to find out they're playing in texas. > Anyone got any info to share. > Malc.... the ENIT tour is perry ferrels new venture. sort of a new lollapalooza thing. both the orb and meat beat manifesto are scheduled to play along with others. should be cool. it starts sometime in august, if i'm not mistaken. bryan. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: USCCockNC@aol.com Subject: Re: Atlanta July 10th Date: 02 Jul 1996 00:51:34 -0400 hey mr. Disco--i will be a the Masquerade show. Can't wait! I'll be wearing a Prince chirt, jeans and hiking boots...catch you there...... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: USCCockNC@aol.com Subject: Re: Oh, and if you see your mother be sure to tell her Date: 02 Jul 1996 00:57:14 -0400 someone please tell me once again about the chicago gig being online. and i hope to see a bunch of you at Masquerade!!!!!!! Can't wait!!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Bobrowicz Subject: Re: Enet tour ###ORB### Date: 02 Jul 1996 06:47 CDT At 12:09 AM 7/2/96 -0400, you wrote: >the ENIT tour is perry ferrels new venture. sort of a new lollapalooza >thing. both the orb and meat beat manifesto are scheduled to play along >with others. should be cool. it starts sometime in august, if i'm not >mistaken. bryan. They've just started talking about it here in Chicago also. I haven't heard any dates yet. I saw and interview with Perry on MTV, and he said that he really wants to have The Prodigy, as well as The Orb, and Meat Beat. I haven't heard anything about The Prodigy officially yet though. Perry said unlike Lolla, he envisions the show starting at 8:00 or 9:00pm with the techno/trance artists performing very early in the morning and raving all night long. You know Perry, he just kind of goes off. Who knows if it will actually be that way. See Ya, ...Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: orbital@wwi.net (Anthony Agee) Subject: Re: Enet tour ###ORB### Date: 01 Jul 1996 08:01:53 -0500 I'm suprised that Perry Farrell hasn't tried (or has he?) to get Orbital to play the ENET thing. Orbital opened for Porno For Pyros once and he had also expressed interest in getting them to play on a couple of Lollapalooza dates. Still, it's a very interesting and promising move towards electronic music for the mainstream...or do we not want that? I think I do? Tony (wishing he would have stayed to see The Orb on the 22nd) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alnie@juno.com (Alnie Barimani) Subject: Re: The Box video Date: 02 Jul 1996 11:40:12 PST On 1 Jul 1996 19:34:40 EDT gandalf@wnc.com writes: >OR>Well, they finally played it on MTV here in America. As expected, >they >OR>waited until almost 2am to play it, and then as if too add insult >to >OR>injury, they played Veruca Salt's "Seether" right after... :P I'm like a new Orbital fan and I really don't know anything about them. Could someone maybe give me a good web site about Orbital. I went on the official one but who knows when that was last updated. I believe April. Also, could someone give me some info about the album Insides. Would that be an album available at Best Buy.I hope so :-) Oh yeah the video for The Box was cool and I don't think their is really no need to "analyze" the video. All you have to do is enjoy the video. Thank you very much for any help. From : Alnie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Wasisco - Synet Subject: Re: Enet tour ###ORB### Date: 02 Jul 1996 10:52:52 -0500 (CDT) I'm pretty sure it's calle dthe ENIT festival. There's info at www.teeth.com. mike On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Anthony Agee wrote: > I'm suprised that Perry Farrell hasn't tried (or has he?) to get Orbital to > play the ENET thing. Orbital opened for Porno For Pyros once and he had > also expressed interest in getting them to play on a couple of Lollapalooza > dates. Still, it's a very interesting and promising move towards electronic > music for the mainstream...or do we not want that? I think I do? > > > Tony (wishing he would have stayed to see The Orb on the 22nd) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr disco" Subject: Re: Enet tour ###ORB### Date: 02 Jul 1996 14:32:53 -0400 ---------- > From: Mike Wasisco - Synet > > I'm pretty sure it's calle dthe ENIT festival. There's info at www.teeth.com. Be careful... It's www.teeth.net, not com. teeth.com gives you some dentist page... > > I'm suprised that Perry Farrell hasn't tried (or has he?) to get Orbital to > > play the ENET thing. Orbital opened for Porno For Pyros once and he had > > also expressed interest in getting them to play on a couple of Lollapalooza > > dates. Still, it's a very interesting and promising move towards electronic > > music for the mainstream...or do we not want that? I think I do? I heard rumors that Orbital might do it, but they're only rumors. I also heard Perry Farrel was even going to try to get Nancy Sinatra. (!?) So far, the official participants are Porno for Pyros (duh!), Love and Rockets, and Black Grape (awesome). I'm sure many more will join later. Judging from the info on the "map" they provide on the web site, it looks like so far they'll be hitting the metro areas of Seattle, Portland, San Fran, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Wash DC, Philadelphia, New York, Boston, and Miami... i.e. nowhere near where I live. I imagine more venues will probably be added since those I just mentioned seem clumped together and away from the middle part of the country. So far, I'd probably go just to see Black Grape (The Orb don't excite me), so if they don't make it to Atlanta, it's not that big of a loss to me... and I for damn sure am not driving all the way down to Miami for it... :) Mr disco -- Mr disco==mrdisco@mindspring.com==http://www.mindspring.com/~mrdisco/ "The universe is at any time what you say it is." -James Burke ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete Ashdown Subject: Re: double mailings Date: 02 Jul 1996 12:41:38 -0600 (MDT) John Shiple said once upon a time: >I've tried orbital-request@xmission.com to try to unsub possible duplicate >addresses, but no reply. > >Is everybody else getting double mailings or just me? You are only subscribed once. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Willoughby Subject: Orbital tour set list (and Seattle show review) Date: 03 Jul 1996 13:48:46 -0700 Since nobody else seems to have posted a complete set list, I'll have a try at it and wait for the corrections to flow forth. Intro: theme from James Bond "GoldenEye" soundtrack Adnan's # Choice Lush 3-1/Lush 3-2/The Girl With The Sun In Her Head Dwr Budr (with excellent video) The Box P.E.T.R.O.L. Satan Halcyon+On+On+ # Note: I thought the first song was Dwr Budr until they played that later in the gig. Then I just assumed that it was track 6 instead of track 5. Someone else has identified the opening Orbital song as Out There Somewhere?, which I would not argue with (although it must have been a shorter mix). I must admit that I still listen to tracks 5, 6, 7 and 8 all in one sequence from In Sides, so I still don't recognize them instantly without a little concentration. Review: I left during Satan. Was there anything after that? I assume that Halcyon+On+On was played - is there another song which is segued into that? Impact, perhaps? The whole show was just too loud for the Union Station (a train station in Seattle which is no longer in service). I made the mistake of getting to the show early, dancing until I was too tired and decibel overloaded to stick it out for the Belinda treat (d'oh). I read on the official Web site that (one of) Orbital's live sound director(s) likes to keep the volume reasonable so that there are quiet parts which dynamically contrast the louder passages of their music. I would have preferred this aesthetic, since I do not wear ear plugs and I believe that it is foolish to mix a show so loud that it cannot be enjoyed by the naked human ear. On the positive (VERY positive) side, I really enjoyed this concert. Vapourspace performed a nice opening set, and Orbital were all I had hoped for. Having never heard them live, I was really hoping that they would put their creative talent into changing the songs some (or lots) from the released format. I was especially happy to hear the current live version of Lush 3. Lush 3 is one of my favorite Orbital songs (there are many), and although Lush 3 has been remixed by everyone and the brothers, the concert still presented a fresh mix that kept me excited about listening to Orbital. I remember hearing the womb beat from TGWTSIHH mixing in with Lush 3 as they segued into the new track (my personal favorite from the new album - which doesn't have a boring note on it). DJ Michael Manahan seemed to play too long (pre-show and between bands), but I never heard DJ Masa (who is responsible for stocking my favorite record shop with quality music like Orbital). I would have liked to hear DJ Masa's set, but he probably played after I left (after Orbital). Brian Willoughby ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: derrien@club-internet.fr (Jean Christophe Derrien) Subject: Re : Orbital tour set list Date: 04 Jul 1996 01:41:29 +0200 (MET DST) > Intro: theme from James Bond "GoldenEye" soundtrack In France, the intro was taken from John Barry's "You only live twice". JC From Paris On CD now : Dr Didg "King Tut" (Cardiff Casablanca Club Mix) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bigsixty@aol.com Subject: Tampa Tampa here I come Date: 04 Jul 1996 01:17:01 -0400 Well, I couldn't risk it. The Spin Online tour dates show Orlando as the last show on July 13th, but no one in town knows a damn thing (I hate this city) and the Orbital site says the 12th is the end of the road. But anyway, I splurged and bought tickets to the Tampa show before it could sell out. I saw The Prodigy at the Parthenon, and the club sucked, but rumor has it that they upgraded everything. I sure hope so. I can't wait to see Orbital. If they come to Orlando, I will just see them twice. How awful is that? Cool. I can deal with it. Okay, I am done. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mwaasml@aol.com Subject: Re: orbital Digest V2 #15 (ENIT Tour) Date: 04 Jul 1996 02:39:42 -0400 In a message dated 96-07-03 17:08:18 EDT, Bryan writes: << the ENIT tour is perry ferrels new venture. sort of a new lollapalooza thing. both the orb and meat beat manifesto are scheduled to play along with others. should be cool. it starts sometime in august, if i'm not mistaken. bryan. >> Is there any additional info available on this (from you, or from anyone else on this mailing list)? I've heard just rumors and b.s. about it so far; have any dates been finalized, is there a website or e-mail address available to get more info, is there a full bandlist available yet, etc? Regardless, I'd see ANY tour with both Meat Beat Manifesto and The Orb, as both are two of my favorite bands, and I've missed both groups every time they've hit South Florida in past years. Wow, what a great show that could be, even IF it is the typical, annoying, mid-afternoon, 100-degree crowded sweatbox atmosphere of the standard music festival-type thing. Thanks for your (potential) help, Mitch Waas Midnight Sorrow ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mwaasml@aol.com Subject: Re: orbital Digest V2 #15 Date: 04 Jul 1996 02:44:37 -0400 In a message dated 96-07-03 17:08:18 EDT, Matt Bobrowicz writes: << They've just started talking about it here in Chicago also. I haven't heard any dates yet. I saw and interview with Perry on MTV, and he said that he really wants to have The Prodigy, as well as The Orb, and Meat Beat. I haven't heard anything about The Prodigy officially yet though. Perry said unlike Lolla, he envisions the show starting at 8:00 or 9:00pm with the techno/trance artists performing very early in the morning and raving all night long. You know Perry, he just kind of goes off. Who knows if it will actually be that way. >> Well... from the sounds of it, then, NOTHING is finalized yet. And Perry plans on having the shit start in August? The guy's wasted out of his mind; his few remaining functional brain cells just aren't enough to penetrate the haze. From the sounds of it, this thing may not even be taking off the ground. (sigh) ...and it's SUCH a good idea, though. The Prodigy most certainly isn't one of my favorite acts, but I would love to see some other, darker or more angst-ridden styles (industrial, ebm, gothic, of which Meat Beat Manifesto partially touches the first two), instead of just seeing it be some "Super-Rave" or "Rave-a-palooza". Well, I babble. Outta here, Midnight Sorrow Mitch Waas "Screaming in Digital" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr disco" Subject: Orbital on Needle-drop Date: 04 Jul 1996 02:50:46 -0400 Hi all Well, being that I'm, going to see them next week, I figured I'd get somewhat of a preview by listening in on the live RealAudio feed on www.needle-drop.com of tonight's show in Chicago. I just stopped the feed a few minutes ago and two things stick out in my mind. First, I wish I hadn't taken that anti-histamine earlier tonight, because I was passing out in my chair during some of the best bits (like Halcyon...). Second, The sound quality was a bit frustrating because you could tell through the somewhat distorted mono sound that the brothers Hartnoll were putting on a fantastic performance. These are the tracks they performed, and I hope this is standard for this tour... Out There Somewhere? - then, as if sequenced back to back... Choice (complete with speech) Lush 3 (1 & 2) - mixed into... The Girl with the Sun in her Head Dwr Budr The Box (single part 2) The Box (album part b) P.E.T.R.O.L. Satan (with long ambient intro... lovely...) Halcyon (with Belinda Carlisle and Bon Jovi samples) Forever... - encore - Chime - mixed into... Impact (bits from both versions) If this is the set list for Atlanta next week, then I'll be one very happy camper. :) I can't wait to hear these loud and clear. There seemed to be some audio problems while the Needle-drop people were setting up, and I'm suspecting that may have had something to do with the resulting sound. Maybe Mike can shed a little light on this? (Did you get rid of the hum or did you have to do some alternate route?) Mr disco PS- Mike, I said hello back, but you couldn't hear me. :) PPS- what was that stuff playing before it went live to AtmospheriC AudiochaiR? It sounded like it might have been an Aphex Twin tape or something??? -- Mr disco==mrdisco@mindspring.com==http://www.mindspring.com/~mrdisco/ "The universe is at any time what you say it is." -James Burke ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Plump Subject: Re: Orbital tour set list (and Seattle show review) Date: 04 Jul 1996 01:53:49 -0700 (PDT) On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Brian Willoughby wrote: > Since nobody else seems to have posted a complete set list, I'll have a try > at it and wait for the corrections to flow forth. > > > Intro: theme from James Bond "GoldenEye" soundtrack > Adnan's # When they played in Portland, this was Out There Somewhere. Like you said in your note, you probably just got them all confused :-) > Choice > Lush 3-1/Lush 3-2/The Girl With The Sun In Her Head > Dwr Budr (with excellent video) > The Box > P.E.T.R.O.L. > Satan > Halcyon+On+On+ > Review: > > I left during Satan. Was there anything after that? I assume that > Halcyon+On+On was played - is there another song which is segued into that? > Impact, perhaps? SHIT! You left at the best part! Yeah, at the Portland show, they did Forever after Halcyon, then did two encores. The first was Impact, and the second was a really cool mix of Chime. I didn't even recognize it at first. And WOW that Heaven is a Place on Earth thing was 10 times cooler than I was expecting, I got lucky, and saw it in Portland. On the nw-raves list, we've discussed all three NW shows (Portland, Salem, and Vancouver) and it sounds like the Portland one was far and away the best because they held in a concert hall and promoted it as a concert rather than a rave. Therefore: no surprises. It worked wonderfully. I can die happily now. orbital@teleport.com sprays his llamas with a new all-purpose cleanser. "If you absolutely HAVE to eat that, maybe you should at least fry it!" --Joe Dietz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hallvard.Muller@ecsoft.no Subject: Belinda Carlisle? Date: 04 Jul 1996 11:34:47 +0200 Mr. Disco wrote: "... Halcyon (with Belinda Carlisle and Bon Jovi samples) " What's this thing with Belida Carlisle? hallvard.muller@ecsoft.no ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr disco" Subject: Re: orbital Digest V2 #15 (ENIT Tour) Date: 04 Jul 1996 13:35:14 -0400 > Is there any additional info available on this (from you, or from anyone else > on this mailing list)? I've heard just rumors and b.s. about it so far; have > any dates been finalized, is there a website or e-mail address available to > get more info, is there a full bandlist available yet, etc? www.teeth.net -- Mr disco==mrdisco@mindspring.com==http://www.mindspring.com/~mrdisco/ "The universe is at any time what you say it is." -James Burke ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr disco" Subject: Re: Belinda Carlisle? Date: 04 Jul 1996 13:38:26 -0400 > Mr. Disco wrote: > "... > Halcyon (with Belinda Carlisle and Bon Jovi samples) > " > What's this thing with Belida Carlisle? During Halcyon, it suddenly breaks into vocal samples of Bon Jovi's "Bad Medicine" and Belinda Carlisle's "Heaven on Earth" which amazingly sound fantastic together... then the beat comes back and makes you want to dance like crazy... Mr disco ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Plump Subject: Re: Belinda Carlisle? Date: 04 Jul 1996 11:26:30 -0700 (PDT) On 4 Jul 1996 Hallvard.Muller@ecsoft.no wrote: > Mr. Disco wrote: > "... > Halcyon (with Belinda Carlisle and Bon Jovi samples) > " > What's this thing with Belida Carlisle? They mix "Heaven is a place on Earth" in with Halcyon + On + On. It's reeeeeeeallly fukkin' cool. orbital@teleport.com sprays his llamas with a new all-purpose cleanser. "If you absolutely HAVE to eat that, maybe you should at least fry it!" --Joe Dietz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Wasisco - Synet Subject: Re: Orbital on Needle-drop Date: 04 Jul 1996 21:28:50 -0500 (CDT) Hey- First off, thanks to everyone that listened to the chicago show on Needle Drop. You would cry (or laugh) if you knew what it took to pull that show off. Upon arriving at the venue I soon discovered that there *were not* two telephone lines in the sound booth. After 500 feet of telephone wire, LOTS of electrical tape and a near nervous breakdown, I finally got a line over which I could send audio. Moments before the opening act was to go on, my line coupler decided to stop working. So, after jerry-rigging an odd looking device that involved headphones, a telephone and some tape - the show was netcast. This is why the audio quality was not ideal. Part of our set-up involved recording the show to DAT, in case anything went wrong. Within a couple of days, we'll put the DAT version of the show online to drastically improve the quality of the audio. Thanks again. Keep an eye on Needle-Drop for more live techno. mike mikew@needle-drop.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr disco" Subject: Re: Orbital on Needle-drop Date: 05 Jul 1996 00:04:47 -0400 Hi there > After 500 feet of telephone wire, LOTS of electrical tape and a near nervous > breakdown, I finally got a line over which I could send audio. Moments > before the opening act was to go on, my line coupler decided to stop > working. So, after jerry-rigging an odd looking device that involved > headphones, a telephone and some tape - the show was netcast. So you never did get the coupler to stop humming, huh... That's pretty weird. I've had to set up sound systems before, and I know what it's like to have that "hum that comes from nowhere." Usually it's due to bad grounding on one device or another. I've actually had to run the show with a hum before, though, and even if the audience can hardly notice it, it's murder on the ears of whoever is setting it up. We definitely appreciate the effort you went through to get it out to us! :) > This is why the audio quality was not ideal. Part of our set-up involved > recording the show to DAT, in case anything went wrong. Within a couple > of days, we'll put the DAT version of the show online to drastically improve > the quality of the audio. Excellent! I remember you mentioning a DAT, so I was hoping for this. > Thanks again. Keep an eye on Needle-Drop for more live techno. Thank you! Live techno is usually something I end up missing out on out here in Columbus, GA, where we have to drive 100 miles to Atlanta and we usually hear about events the day after they happen. Being on the internet keeps me from losing my mind out here. Mr disco -- Mr disco==mrdisco@mindspring.com==http://www.mindspring.com/~mrdisco/ "The universe is at any time what you say it is." -James Burke ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "joe.beuckman" Subject: Re: Orbital on Needle-drop Date: 05 Jul 1996 00:50:08 -0500 (CDT) so, can i have a copy of that dat? -Joe Beuckman | jbeuckm@siue.edu | http://www.siue.edu/~jbeuckm *Ozone Troop: | http://bigfoot.ecl.wustl.edu/~paul/ozone/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "joe.beuckman" Subject: Chicago Show Date: 05 Jul 1996 01:02:17 -0500 (CDT) Unbeleivable. i am proud to say i drove from st louis and i was not disappointed. that was my first live orbital experience- now i understand how chime went big:) i danced myself silly and screamed and shouted for more. i even had the priveledge of being kicked off stage after the show when i jumped up to get some shots of the equipment. i got pix of their left and their front, center stand- does anyone have an equipment list for the right stand? (beside the wavestation, 303, 909, mmt-8, datadisk, prophecy, etc.) orbital are a life changing experience live- i cried both because of happiness (my first close view of the bros) and sadness (Dwr Budr, Satan, etc). congrats to happy ticket holders and if you don't have tix yet, don't be foolish and miss this:) -Joe Beuckman | jbeuckm@siue.edu | http://www.siue.edu/~jbeuckm *Ozone Troop: | http://bigfoot.ecl.wustl.edu/~paul/ozone/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sboilard@ebtech.net Subject: Re: The Box video Date: 05 Jul 1996 03:20:21 -0400 At 02:04 96-07-01 -0400, you wrote: >Hiya > >Well, they finally played it on MTV here in America. As expected, they >waited until almost 2am to play it, i saw that video play this evening on MuchMusic at the end of Fax news show. they only showed part of it. it is pretty gloomy but it works. Judith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: USCCockNC@aol.com Subject: Re: masquerade/atlanta Date: 05 Jul 1996 12:27:51 -0400 has anyone talked to anyone in atlanta about getting to the show? All the olympics setup traffic is supposed to be murder. I've talked to a few people who say it won't be bad; others say it will take forever to get to the show. I'm driving all the way from Charlotte (3 1/2 hours!) and I won't have time to waste. Doors open at 10-has anyone heard about the opening act? Will there be one? any driving tips would be appreciated! see ya'll at the show! I'll be there with a grey Prince shirt that has the 12" cover of his "I wish U heaven" single on front and back. I'll also be wearing a blue hat--can't miss me.....see you there! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:Live stuff. Date: 05 Jul 1996 17:42:51 BST Anybody out there got any more live stuff by Orbital. Ive got quite a bit...including video stuff, so if you have something that has been recorded off radio stations abroad (ie not UK) then shout me back and we'll sort something out. Mail me at Steve.Price@Hoskyns.Co.Uk Also thanks for the top 5 survey replies.....need more! SO keep sending them. Cheers. Steve "LOOPZ" Price Orbital Zine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: orbital@wwi.net (Anthony Agee) Subject: Re: Chicago Show Date: 05 Jul 1996 16:15:28 -0500 At 01:02 AM 7/5/96 -0500, you wrote: >Unbeleivable. i am proud to say i drove from st louis and i was not >disappointed. that was my first live orbital experience- now i >understand how chime went big:) i danced myself silly and screamed and >shouted for more. i even had the priveledge of being kicked off stage >after the show when i jumped up to get some shots of the equipment. i >got pix of their left and their front, center stand- does anyone have an >equipment list for the right stand? (beside the wavestation, 303, 909, >mmt-8, datadisk, prophecy, etc.) > orbital are a life changing experience live- i cried both because >of happiness (my first close view of the bros) and sadness (Dwr Budr, >Satan, etc). congrats to happy ticket holders and if you don't have tix >yet, don't be foolish and miss this:) > HAH! I'm not the only fanatical Orbital fan from Missouri. I wish I had the balls to push my way up to the stage but the LA crowd was a bit rough. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: orbital@wwi.net (Anthony Agee) Subject: humble beginnings Date: 05 Jul 1996 16:22:25 -0500 Feeling like a dumbass I am driven to ask a question. I'm wondering, if one were interested in making music in the vein of Orbital's, what would the first step be? I own none of the appropriate equipment. I will do whatever it takes to start off on the right path. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Osborn Subject: Toronto Show: Review (sort of) Date: 05 Jul 1996 17:38:01 -0400 (EDT) "Shot to the heart, and you to blame, baby you give love a bad name." pardon my language by WHAT THE FUCK?????????? Okay, it was cool and funney but Cheese rock at an orbital show ????? Oh well, everything else was wicked (well orbital, i didn't see anybody else) Nice high ceiling to give the lights room to play with,(laser lights, and Tonnes of them). I think us Toronto people got a special bonus because after Halcyon and Shot to the heart, they played atleast 4 more songs. I know they did some total start-from-scratch stuff(not of any albums). Best live Techno act i have ever scene without a doubt. They ranged from Lush techno stuff to the newer break beats, to ambient to acid. More range than most techno labels have. Anybody questioning whether to go see them, its better to regret something you did than something you didn't (and if you follow my advice this will make sense, twice) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sboilard@ebtech.net Subject: Re: Orbital tour set list (and Seattle show review) Date: 05 Jul 1996 03:50:09 -0400 At 13:48 96-07-03 -0700, you wrote: >Since nobody else seems to have posted a complete set list, I'll have a try >at it and wait for the corrections to flow forth. > > >Intro: theme from James Bond "GoldenEye" soundtrack >Adnan's # >Choice >Lush 3-1/Lush 3-2/The Girl With The Sun In Her Head >Dwr Budr (with excellent video) >The Box >P.E.T.R.O.L. >Satan >Halcyon+On+On+ > >Out There Somewhere? - then, as if sequenced back to back... >Choice (complete with speech) >Lush 3 (1 & 2) - mixed into... >The Girl with the Sun in her Head >Dwr Budr >The Box (single part 2) >The Box (album part b) >P.E.T.R.O.L. >Satan (with long ambient intro... lovely...) >Halcyon (with Belinda Carlisle and Bon Jovi samples) >Forever... >- encore - >Chime - mixed into... >Impact (bits from both versions) > > >Mr disco >> > i heard about the same with the exceptions of: Halcyon without the bon jovi Impact was after Forever with Satan after that -encore- not in order Remind Monday Planet of the shapes pretty much the rest of the brown album without walk now.. Judith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gsxiii@usa.pipeline.com (gabriel) Subject: Re: humble beginnings Date: 06 Jul 1996 00:57:41 GMT Buy a board- a Roland, Yamaha, with enough banks and plenty of memory. Spend most of your dough on this piece. Buy a 4-track Tascam recorder (reel-to-reel) so you can lay down track-by-track (layering). Buy a decent mixer. Buy a shitload of cables (you'll always need a certain one you don't have at 3am). Later, buy the effects- always with plenty of memory! Machines that do loops, distort, record bits off tv for sampling, all the toys that add to the gumbo. Don't try to create the hit on first try. Just record hours and hours of drumming, take notes as to banks and effects, then move on to bass, etc. Each instrument, each sound is a different creation that you blend together until you have something that is listenable. I know squat about music afa reading it, etc., but I can storm a studio (who knows MBM?) pretty well- I'm more the posting and editing type, using stuff heavily sampled. Mainly, just have fun. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Osborn Subject: Spinning Orbital Vinyl Date: 05 Jul 1996 22:41:21 -0400 (EDT) I was just wondering if its cool/leagal to spin orbital vinyl at parties/raves. And if yes, why does NObody do it? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Zaheer Mamujee" Subject: Re: Toronto Show: Review (sort of) Date: 06 Jul 1996 00:45:05 -0400 The did not play remind.....BUT IT WAS GREAT!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brant Chamberlain Subject: Boston show Date: 06 Jul 1996 05:21:34 -0400 Just got back from the Boston show at axis. Amazing. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone had a set list from the show? Thanks, Bran t Chamberlain brantc@mit.edu http://web.mit.edu/brantc/www/home.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lysergic Subject: Re: humble beginnings Date: 06 Jul 1996 06:10:39 -0700 (PDT) hey there... IMO, the ideas are far more important than the equipment... do what you can with what you got and everything else will fall into place... however, be warned, once you start you may find yourself wanting to sell your soul for a sequencer or a nice moog... :) -lysergic At 04:22 PM 7/5/96 -0500, you wrote: >Feeling like a dumbass I am driven to ask a question. I'm wondering, if one >were interested in making music in the vein of Orbital's, what would the >first step be? I own none of the appropriate equipment. I will do whatever >it takes to start off on the right path. > > > ################################################## # ...a bag of beads and some fishing line... # # these are some of the things you left behind...# ################################################## -- # become one with the lysergic dream # # e-mail for more info # # check out post-mortem telepathy at: # # http://home.earthlink.net/~lysergic # ################################################## ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil350@aol.com Subject: Orbital Show: MONDAY-July 8 Date: 06 Jul 1996 20:15:23 -0400 Orbital's Playing: -this monday -Washington D.C.'s "9:30 club" -202-265-0930 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: broohaha@xnet.com (Al Arzaga) Subject: Metro last Wednesday. Date: 06 Jul 1996 23:27:05 -0500 Hello. I'm new to the mailing list. Saw Orbital perform at the Metro in Chicago last Wednesday evening (July 3). Very, very, very good. I understand they may be going to Japan later in the summer. Any tour dates set, yet? Laters, aL -- Alden Arzaga broohaha@xnet.com http://www.xnet.com/~broohaha "Optimism. It's a way of life." - a friend's bumper sticker ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bigsixty@aol.com Subject: Re: Spinning Orbital Vinyl Date: 07 Jul 1996 01:57:56 -0400 I have Orbital Vinyl, and I spin it. Unfortunately I spin at home for my friends, but one day, the world will know the clubability of Orbital. One day... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bigsixty@aol.com Subject: Prodigy Date: 07 Jul 1996 01:56:28 -0400 Hey people, do you know of any other cool web pages where I can get info on Prodigy and ORB and other cool "techno" type bands. One can only talk about Orbital for so long without saying the same stuff over and over. I think. ALSO, I am getting a big fat huge Orbital Snivil poster and I have a big fat huge FSOL poster, and I still have room on my wall. I would love a big fat huge Prodigy poster or something as cool. Where can I get cool posters? ALSO, one more, I swear. Europe people, do you know when the new Prodigy album comes out? Every time I ask over here, they say a few weeks, and they have been wrong for about two months now. I NEED TO KNOW. Thanx Okay, I am done now - Tyler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:Prodigy Date: 07 Jul 1996 8:54:29 BST >ALSO, one more, I swear. Europe people, do you know when the new Prodigy >album comes out? Every time I ask over here, they say a few weeks, and >they have been wrong for about two months now. I NEED TO KNOW. Thanx It keeps changing....but the latest i heard was July/August. Steve "LOOPZ" Price Orbital Zine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: USCCockNC@aol.com Subject: Re: Prodigy Date: 07 Jul 1996 11:29:43 -0400 hey big sixty---- where did you find the Sniv poster? are you talking about the 40x60 subway poster? I have had one on order for forever and no one can find one....please let me know where you got this..... a place called intergalactic garage (which i think is in sheperdstown, WVA or somewhere like that--don't have one of their ads right now) does carry some cool stuff. i just got them to send me a 40x60 Orb Orbus Terranum subway poster with the album cover and uk tour dates on it. Very cool poster. They have some great stuff. I saw their ad in Goldmine magazine, a mag for audio collectors. You can always find some great posters there. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spliff Subject: Chicago Orbital Review Date: 07 Jul 1996 10:55:03 -0500 SATAN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "joe.beuckman" Subject: Re: Chicago Orbital Review Date: 07 Jul 1996 12:06:01 -0500 (CDT) On Sun, 7 Jul 1996, Spliff wrote: > SATAN > SATANSATANSATANSATANSATANSATANSATAN dunt nunt, nununt ddddddunt nunt, nununt (tink tink, tink tinktunk) dunt nunt, nununt ddddddunt nunt, nununt (tink tink, tink tinktunk) tdtdtdtdtdtdtdtdtdtd uh o wop o unt a wop a dunt a wop a wo e aint ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: H Lo Subject: Orbital at Opera House, Toronto Date: 07 Jul 1996 15:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Dammit! That was a fine performance by Orbital. However, I arrived 30 mins late after they started their performance. I thought they'd be going on later in the night after midnight perhaps. Can anyone post a list of all the songs that Orbital did that night on Thursday, July 4? Hans Lo (95001206) email:(hlo@novice.uwaterloo.ca) (519)885-2154 Arts Honors University of Waterloo. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: orbital Subject: Re: Orbital at Opera House, Toronto Date: 07 Jul 1996 17:37:04 -0400 (EDT) On Sun, 7 Jul 1996, H Lo wrote: > Dammit! That was a fine performance by Orbital. However, I > arrived 30 mins late after they started their performance. I thought > they'd be going on later in the night after midnight perhaps. Can anyone > post a list of all the songs that Orbital did that night on Thursday, > July 4? hey, the setlist the guys performed in toronto was the same as the ones that have been posted here in the past couple of weeks. a search of the archives should give you the required info! p.s. the reason they started so early was because jonah from spacetime continuum was denied entry at the border and couldn't perform. d... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hans Lo (95001206) email:(hlo@novice.uwaterloo.ca) > (519)885-2154 Arts Honors > University of Waterloo. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > peace, love and ambience. d... orbital@io.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: H Lo Subject: Orbital set Date: 07 Jul 1996 18:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Can someone please re-post the Orbital song sets for their concerts? I must have deleted it since I can't find it. Hans Lo (95001206) email:(hlo@novice.uwaterloo.ca) (519)885-2154 Arts Honors University of Waterloo. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dgolumbi@sas.upenn.edu (David Golumbia) Subject: Re: Orbital set Date: 07 Jul 1996 19:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Speaking of the Orbital set list, anybody else attend the show last night at Irving Plaza? You could have fooled me if they were playing that set list -- in fact, except for isolated bits here n there, I didn't really identify any discrete songs at all -- found it quite odd, really, as it was the 3rd time I've seen them and (I thought) by far the least inspired -- much of the audience didn't even seem to realize there was a show going on (all talking about the Randalls Island rave, etc.) -- -- dgolumbi@sas.upenn.edu David Golumbia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RonHHodges@aol.com Subject: NY Show Date: 07 Jul 1996 20:07:32 -0400 Just got back from NYC, where I saw the brothers Saturday night. I would have to say it was an awesome show. They really fleshed out "Choice" (the second song they played) and had a nicely reworked version of Lush. They really worked in a small club setting. The crowd was packed in like sardines, so there was not alot of room for dancing, but people kind of moved in unison. I also really liked the video work, especially the stuff that accompanied "Satan" (also really expanded live). It added a layer of meaning you can't get just from the song itself--the fact that evil is tragically part of human nature, and that no matter what you call it (and the many names of evil personified were flashed repeatedly on the screen), externalizing it misses the point. Unfortunately, there were a couple of people who REALLY missed the point and (as indicated by their screaming) instead interpreted it as if it were more of the attitude of those heavy metal bands who claim to be devil worshippers (or at least sing about it). That, and the fact that it will take weeks to get my lungs detoxed from all the cigarette smoke, were the only downsides to an otherwise awesome experience. Ron Hodges http://members.tripod.com/~Ron_Hodges/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RonHHodges@aol.com Subject: Re: Orbital set Date: 07 Jul 1996 20:12:05 -0400 In a message dated 96-07-07 20:04:15 EDT, you write: << Speaking of the Orbital set list, anybody else attend the show last night at Irving Plaza? You could have fooled me if they were playing that set list -- in fact, except for isolated bits here n there, I didn't really identify any discrete songs at all -- found it quite odd, really, as it was the 3rd time I've seen them and (I thought) by far the least inspired -- much of the audience didn't even seem to realize there was a show going on (all talking about the Randalls Island rave, etc.) -- -- dgolumbi@sas.upenn.edu David Golumbia >> Were you at the same show I was? I recognized every song, they were quite distinct, and maybe you didn't see the 400 people or so packed on the floor and another 200 in the balcony (where I was) going gonzo during the show. Ron Hodges ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Psykodelix@aol.com Subject: Orbital tour dates Date: 07 Jul 1996 21:37:25 -0400 Does anyone know if Orbital will be touring in the Hawaiian islands anytime soon? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: Re: masquerade/atlanta Date: 07 Jul 1996 23:25:34 EDT OR>has anyone talked to anyone in atlanta about getting to the show? All the OR>olympics setup traffic is supposed to be murder. I've talked to a few people OR>who say it won't be bad; others say it will take forever to get to the show. OR>I'm driving all the way from Charlotte (3 1/2 hours!) and I won't have time OR>to waste. Doors open at 10-has anyone heard about the opening act? Will ther OR>be one? OR>any driving tips would be appreciated! OR>see ya'll at the show! I'll be there with a grey Prince shirt that has the OR>12" cover of his "I wish U heaven" single on front and back. I'll also be OR>wearing a blue hat--can't miss me.....see you there! Well, I'm going to be driving from CHapel Hill (7 hours) and I would have to second all of this. Any help or info? -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: humble beginnings Date: 07 Jul 1996 23:27:36 EDT OR>Feeling like a dumbass I am driven to ask a question. I'm wondering, if one OR>were interested in making music in the vein of Orbital's, what would the OR>first step be? I own none of the appropriate equipment. I will do whatever OR>it takes to start off on the right path. My brother is writing som epretty decent stuff using *only* a Korg X3. (and it's on-board sequencer). It's got a built-in 16-track sequencer and has full MIDI support as well. It's a pretty good starting point, at least.. -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Lester Subject: Re: Prodigy Date: 08 Jul 1996 09:47:00 +0100 > ALSO, one more, I swear. Europe people, do you know > when the new Prodigy album comes out? Every time I > ask over here, they say a few weeks, and they have been > wrong for about two months now. I NEED TO KNOW. Thanx Same story at my local Record House too.. :-( I'll let you know when I know anything worthwhile. -Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:Chicago Orbital Review Date: 08 Jul 1996 10:14:58 BST NIce Steve "LOOPZ" Price ORbital Zine ----------------------[Reply - Original Message]---------------------- Sent by:Spliff SATAN ===================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:Re: Prodigy Date: 08 Jul 1996 10:14:13 BST >>where did you find the Sniv poster? Got mine from the last tour....as i walked out the club. From a dodgy geezer. Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dgolumbi@sas.upenn.edu (David Golumbia) Subject: Re: Orbital set Date: 08 Jul 1996 10:17:19 -0400 (EDT) RonHHodges@aol.com wrote: > > Were you at the same show I was? I recognized every song, they were quite > distinct, and maybe you didn't see the 400 people or so packed on the floor > and another 200 in the balcony (where I was) going gonzo during the show. Help ... I must be going insane ... I was standing toward the back of the crowd in the center, nobody was dancing, they were all talking. "Choice" was the second song? I've seen it live twice and listened to it at least a hundred times on CD -- also seen Lush 3 once & listened to it almost as many times -- & while I wouldn't disagree that there may have been a single keyboard example of the melody line from either, I certainly didn't notice anything that even came close to a version of either one -- factually speaking though -- in previous set lists, people have said that the vocals to "Choice" were played at other shows -- did you hear these at Irving Plaza? I sure didn't. -- dgolumbi@sas.upenn.edu David Golumbia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Myriam Jarsky Subject: Toronto Show Date: 08 Jul 1996 11:46:39 -0400 (EDT) I too missed part of Orbital's set due to their early start. My companion and I came in during the Box, which, based on the set lists posted here, puts them in the middle of their set. I t was an amazing show. It was mostly intellibeams, which are fairly ubiquitous at these sorts of events, but these sort of events don't happen all that often do they? Anyhow, the lights were amazing. During Halcyon they were set to project deep ultramarine circles. Of course the room was filled with smoke, so it wasn't just circles on the wall, but roving cones of light. If you were lucky one would alight on you for a moment and you would be inside a tunnel of light. Try duplicating that at home. It was a fine, fine show...better to have seen half of a good show than a bad one, but I am still ticked. I only wish they had done Adnan's. That drum roll at about 2:30' into the song on In Sides sets me off every time! Anyone else love this track? Any bets/rumours/insights into the next single to be released? Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vasil Subject: Re: Orbital set Date: 08 Jul 1996 11:21:17 EDT > > Help ... I must be going insane ... I was standing toward the back of the > crowd in the center, nobody was dancing, they were all talking. "Choice" > was the second song? I've seen it live twice and listened to it at least > a hundred times on CD -- also seen Lush 3 once & listened to it almost as > many times -- & while I wouldn't disagree that there may have been a > single keyboard example of the melody line from either, I certainly > didn't notice anything that even came close to a version of either one -- > factually speaking though -- in previous set lists, people have said that > the vocals to "Choice" were played at other shows -- did you hear these > at Irving Plaza? I sure didn't. > > > -- > dgolumbi@sas.upenn.edu > David Golumbia > Are you sure you were at irving plaza saturday? :) First, ive seen Orbital 4 times and i just wanna say this was their best performance yet. They played for 2 hrs! And yes they played the choise speech, i know coz i never did like it until then. "Peace or anihilation!" Lush 3 was also played, the whole thing, it was extremely similar to the way they did it at Glasto 95. It was funny to see them in need of like 2 more pairs of hands. Phil was almost too busy on the mixing board to tweak the 303 during *that* part. I dont profess to know the names of the songs on "In sides" but i did hear them play atleast 4 songs off of it. The only "Sniv'" song that was played was Forever They played Halcyon with the Belinda Carlisle and Bon Jovi sample. And yes, Satan. The encore consisted of a version of chime that started solely with the 909 beat and ended off being mixed in with impact. This was spectacular. I noticed P+P throwing little strips of cardboard around which, turns out, were placed on the mixing boards to label each channel for a particular track. There was a pile of these on the ground beside them when they were through. I always wondered how they could remember so many configurations on so many devices. -vasil ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bigsixty@aol.com Subject: Sniv Poster Date: 08 Jul 1996 12:11:28 -0400 Yeah, I got to 40 x 60 Orbital Snivilisation poster today. It is so big and cool. I got it from a local record shop though. I know the owner, and I'll see what I can find out about where he got it from. I love it. Thanx USC man, for the info on the poster place. A different record shop around here has the ORB one. I need to go get that one too. I really want a Prodigy one though. I have never seen one. If anyone knows of one, please let me know. Thanx Later - bigsixty@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shan@sirius.com (Shannon Titus) Subject: re:Live stuff. Date: 08 Jul 1996 09:24:06 -0800 I'm SERIOUSLY interested in getting anything live from Orbital. I've never been interested in getting boots or trading for boots before Orbital, so I'm not sure what I'm supposed to offer you in exchange for anything you might be willing share. But, PLEASE, PLEASE let me know. I'm obsessed with getting as much live stuff as I can at this point. From one fanatic to another, Shannon >Anybody out there got any more live stuff by Orbital. >Ive got quite a bit...including video stuff, so if you have something >that has been recorded off radio stations abroad (ie not UK) then shout me >back and we'll sort something out. > >Mail me at Steve.Price@Hoskyns.Co.Uk > >Also thanks for the top 5 survey replies.....need more! SO keep sending >them. > >Cheers. > >Steve "LOOPZ" Price >Orbital Zine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete Ashdown Subject: "Choice" Date: 08 Jul 1996 12:08:27 -0600 (MDT) The version of "Choice" that Orbital is playing this tour is more like the version on the Midnight/Choice single than the album. The single has vocals where the album doesn't. -- Pete XMission ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvWeitzner@aol.com Subject: Re: Orbital in Toronto Date: 08 Jul 1996 15:03:43 -0400 I too missed the first half of the Orbital show and, to say the least, was rather displeased. They were incredible. When Moby spinned for Outlaw I arrived early and he didn't go on untill 3:30, now I arrive later and this happens..... HOWEVER, there is a bright side. I know that there are tons of rumours going around but I have heard from a VERY reliable source (I was and am obssesed with Jane's prior to my discovering techno some five years back) that Perry has secured Orbital (not the Orb, at this stage anyway), Meat Beat Manifesto, and Lady Miss Kier (who has now gone jungle) for the rave segment of Enit. There will also be Porno, Black Grape, and Love and Rockets. Prodigy are top on the want list.... The chances of Enit coming to Toronto are slim, but they will be in the vicinity. If there is enough local interest, perhaps we can arrange a mass-transit situation. After the Orbital teaser last Thursday, I will do anything to see them again (not to mention Porno, Lady Miss, et al). Comments??? David ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sproston Green Subject: Re: "Choice" Date: 08 Jul 1996 16:55:51 -0400 At 12:08 PM 7/8/96 -0600, you wrote: >The version of "Choice" that Orbital is playing this tour is more like the >version on the Midnight/Choice single than the album. The single has vocals >where the album doesn't. > yeah, the tour version of halcyon (before bon jovi kicks in) is closer to the radiccio single version (with an extra keyboard track). Sproston Green jrobin@tiac.net http://www.tiac.net/users/jrobin/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RonHHodges@aol.com Subject: Re: Orbital set Date: 08 Jul 1996 19:28:33 -0400 In a message dated 96-07-08 12:19:00 EDT, you write: << Help ... I must be going insane ... I was standing toward the back of the crowd in the center, nobody was dancing, they were all talking. "Choice" was the second song? I've seen it live twice and listened to it at least a hundred times on CD -- also seen Lush 3 once & listened to it almost as many times -- & while I wouldn't disagree that there may have been a single keyboard example of the melody line from either, I certainly didn't notice anything that even came close to a version of either one -- factually speaking though -- in previous set lists, people have said that the vocals to "Choice" were played at other shows -- did you hear these at Irving Plaza? I sure didn't. -- dgolumbi@sas.upenn.edu David Golumbia >> Yeah, they played the vocals on "Choice". They did expand it musically a little over the studio version, and it was *pumping*. As far as "Lush" goes, they had reworked it alot compared to the different versions on the various albums. The melodic hooks were there, but not at all in the order I expected. I admit that we had the perfect vantage point, right next to the sound and light guys. Still, I'm really surprised (and disappointed for you) that our experiences differed so. I had a blast. The only performance I've seen that I would rank higher would be when I saw Xymox on their Phoenix tour at DC's 9:30 club. It was a really intimate setting--it felt like we were ten feet from the stage and we were right back up against the bar. But they were great live. Too bad they seem to have come to an ignominious end, sort of like Curve, which I would have *loved* to have seen. Ron Hodges ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bigsixty@aol.com Subject: Re: Toronto Show Date: 08 Jul 1996 21:06:57 -0400 Next single? I wish. I can't believe they only released one off of Sniv. I like the 'Are we here?' single, but I wanted some more. Oh well. Maybe this time... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: Prodigy Date: 08 Jul 1996 21:31:50 EDT I don't know anything about the new Prodigy album, but I did see a Prodigy video on 120 minutes last night.. -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: Spinning Orbital Vinyl Date: 08 Jul 1996 21:29:58 EDT OR>I was just wondering if its cool/leagal to spin orbital vinyl at OR>parties/raves. And if yes, why does NObody do it? I personally have never *seen* any Orbital vinyl. I know that it exists, but not im my sphere of reference. (in, even!) -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gsxiii@usa.pipeline.com (GS13) Subject: No Subject Date: 09 Jul 1996 01:41:35 GMT anyone know the list for Meat Beat? Used to be "zombies@halcyon.com" or some such- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gsxiii@usa.pipeline.com (GS13) Subject: No Subject Date: 09 Jul 1996 01:43:40 GMT anyone know the list for Meat Beat? Used to be "zombies@halcyon.com" or some such- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bigsixty@aol.com Subject: Re to David mainly Date: 09 Jul 1996 01:33:54 -0400 What is up with Lady Miss Kier. I heard a rumor about her doing jungle, but have not seen anything of it. Is her album due out soon? How do you know she is in the ENIT line-up? I would love to see her. I too have faith in Perry to do this right, but he needs to get the move on if he wants to get the groove on. When are dates to be announced. I am leaving town in August and would like to know as ASAP. I can not miss this tour. Also, I have learned a valuable lesson from your misfortunes: I will get to Orbital on time in Tampa on Thursday. I am so excited.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: USCCockNC@aol.com Subject: Re: masquerade/atlanta Date: 09 Jul 1996 08:48:22 -0400 good luck with the drive, gandalf........i thought my 3 1/2 hours was bad...actually it's only bad becuase i have to work 10 to 6 the next day..oh well, i've done it before--and it's WORTH IT!!!!! Best driving tips i've gotten for atlanta are to get off of 85 as soon as you can once you're inside the 285 perimeter. I was also told the North Ave. exit is closed for the olympics. Definitely take an earlier one............. I'll be wearing that grey Prince shirt i've been talking about, and a blue ball cap. Hoper to meet some of you in Atlanta Wednesday!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jennifer_Ralston@tbwachiat.com (Jennifer Ralston) Subject: FWD>Official word Date: 09 Jul 1996 10:57:41 EST From HoloGate FWD>Official word Thought some of you might be interested... jennifer This is the official word, from XL, on the Prodigy's new single. There will be no new single release until September, at which point a new album will be released, accompanied by a single from that album. Prodigy Information Service ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bigsixty@aol.com Subject: Re: Prodigy Date: 09 Jul 1996 12:43:37 -0400 Was it the video for Firestarter? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:Re: Orbital set Date: 09 Jul 1996 21:02:00 BST >Yeah, they played the vocals on "Choice". They did expand it musically a >little over the studio version, and it was *pumping*. I spoke to Paul before the first gig of the tour (Wolverhampton,UK) and when i asked him what old stuff he had in store...he said that he wanted to play CHOICE as a lot of people have asked them if they would (me for one). But he did add that he hadnt changed it much as he felt that he couldnt do much to it without losing the original feel (the original was vocal BTW). But that night he played the non-vocal version (which was nice!) Steve "LOOPZ" PRice ORBITAL ZINE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alistair M Smith Subject: Re: orbital Digest V2 #17 Date: 08 Jul 1996 19:32:06 +0100 I want to remove myself from this mailing list help! remove alistair@cqm.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:Re: Toronto Show Date: 09 Jul 1996 21:02:45 BST Dont hold ya breath. Steve "LOOPZ" Price ORbital ZIne ----------------------[Reply - Original Message]---------------------- Sent by:Bigsixty@aol.com Next single? I wish. I can't believe they only released one off of Sniv. I like the 'Are we here?' single, but I wanted some more. Oh well. Maybe this time... ===================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: orbital Digest V2 #15 (ENIT Tour) Date: 09 Jul 1996 17:00:24 -0600 (MDT) >> I've heard just rumors and b.s. about it so far; have any dates been >> finalized, is there a website or e-mail address available to get more >> info, is there a full bandlist available yet, etc? > > www.teeth.net And my god, what a ridiculously overblown site it is! For those who don't want to have to download and wade through half a megabyte of visual and textual masturbation just to get to the hard tour info (which is virtually nonexistant anyway): http://www.teeth.net/enit/enitfo.html -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spliff Subject: CD Mega Sale! Date: 09 Jul 1996 22:34:46 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B8E2D6E2B54 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Blue Light Special: Right now I need the cash more than the trash. The following CDs are for sale. Shipping included! Spliff And now, here's.... --------------B8E2D6E2B54 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="salecds.doc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="salecds.doc" ÐÏࡱá Curve - Blackerthreetracker 2 (FSOL, Drum Club & NIN mixes) $10 FSOL - Lifeforms $7 Gentle People - Journey (w/ Aphex mix) $9 Orbital - Are We Here (UK version) $8 Orbital - Times Fly EP $6 Slowdive - In Mind (5EP) Remixes (Reload and Bandulu) $9 System 7 - Limited Addition EP (Carl Craig and Juno Reactor) $10 Vapourspace - Vista Humana $6 Wagon Christ - Redone EP (w/ Aphex mix) $7 Albums: Dread Zone - 360 Degrees $9 Drum Club - Live in Iceland $13 Eat Static - Implant (original import) $12 Freaky Chakra - Lowdown Motivator $9 The Grid - Evolver $16 Human Mesh Dance (Taylor 808) - Hyaline Juno Reactor - Luciana (ambient) $14 Lemon Sol - Environmental Architecture $11 The Pulsating Sound of Orb - live bootleg $21 Portishead - Dummy $8 Slowdive - Souvlaki (US version, contains 5EP) $8 Waxworth Industries - Alien Disco $13 Compilations (all trance): Around the Day in 80 Worlds (Solar Quest, Zuvuya, Zion Train) $11 Beyond the Machines (Bandulu, Syzygy, Eddie Fowlkes) $13 Nova Mute - Version 1.1 (Juno Reactor, Plastik Man, Scubadevils) 2CD $8 Off the Map (Horizon 222, HIA, Astralasia, Zuvuya, Ingleton Falls) $11 Rising High Futurescape (James Bernard, Oliver Lieb, Irresistable Force, Edenhouse) 2CD $9 Serious Road Trip $19 TechnoSonic Volume 5 2CD $10 Trance Europe Express 3 2CD $12 Trance Sylvania (Polygon Window, Escape, Humate, 4 Voice) $14 Universe Compilation - (AFX, Sequential, CJ Bolland, Dave Angel, Sven Vath, Laurent Garnier) $11 FAX: Alien Community $11 Pete Namlook - The Definitive Ambient Collection $17 Deltraxx $21 FAX Compilation (USA) $10 Syn 2CD $21  Curve - Blackerthreetracker 2 (FSOL, Drum Club & NIN mixes) $10 FSOL - Lifeforms $7 Gentle People - Journey (w/ Aphex mix) $9 Orbital - Are We Here (UK version) $8 Orbital - Times Fly EP $6 Slowdive - In Mind (5EP) Remixes (Reload and Bandulu) $9 System 7 - Limited Addition EP (Carl Craig and Juno Reactor) $10 Vapourspace - Vista Humana $6 Wagon Christ - Redone EP (w/ Aphex mix) $7 Albums: Dread Zone - 360 Degrees $9 Drum Club - Live in Iceland $13 Eat Static - Implant (original import) $12 Freaky Chakra - Lowdown Motivator $9 The Grid - Evolver $16 Human Mesh Dance (Taylor 808) - Hyaline Juno Reactor - Luciana (ambient) $14 Lemon Sol - Environmental Architecture $11 The Pulsating Sound of Orb - live bootleg $21 Portishead - Dummy $8 Slowdive - Souvlaki (US version, contains 5EP) $8 Waxworth Industries - Alien Disco $13 Compilations (all trance): Around the Day in 80 Worlds (Solar Quest, Zuvuya, Zion Train) $11 Beyond the Machines (Bandulu, Syzygy, Eddie Fowlkes) $13 Nova Mute - Version 1.1 (Juno Reactor, Plastik Man, Scubadevils) 2CD $8 Off the Map (Horizon 222, HIA, Astralasia, Zuvuya, Ingleton Falls) $11 Rising High Futurescape (James Bernard, Oliver Lieb, Irresistable Force, Edenhouse) 2CD $9 Serious Road Trip $19 TechnoSonic Volume 5 2CD $10 Trance Europe Express 3 2CD $12 Trance Sylvania (Polygon Window, Escape, Humate, 4 Voice) $14 Universe Compilation - (AFX, Sequential, CJ Bolland, Dave Angel, Sven Vath, Laurent Garnier) $11 FAX: Alien Community $11 Pete Namlook - The Definitive Ambient Collection $17 Deltraxx $21 FAX Compilation (USA) $10 Syn 2CD $21 --------------B8E2D6E2B54-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mliguana Subject: Re: CD Mega Sale! Date: 09 Jul 1996 23:54:56 -0500 Spliff wrote: > Right now I need the cash more than the trash. The following CDs are > for sale. Shipping included! How does this work. I send you a check or what? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hallvard.Muller@ecsoft.no Subject: Re: CD Mega Sale! Date: 10 Jul 1996 11:28:34 +0200 Spliff: I would die to get my hands on your Curve record. In addition, I'd like to releave you of Portishead, System 7 and the nova Mute compilation. hallvard.muller@ecsoft.no ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joona =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=94yh=94nen?= Subject: Re: Prodigy Date: 10 Jul 1996 12:29:05 +0300 (EET DST) At 21.31 8.7.1996 EDT, you wrote: >I don't know anything about the new Prodigy album, but I did see a >Prodigy video on 120 minutes last night.. > -G > > not a firestarter?=20 Joona P=F6yh=F6nen---------------------- ---------------jp@clinet.fi--------- Orbital+Orb forever!!!------------------ ----------------------Feloc--------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin Ayrton Subject: Re: Spinning Orbital Vinyl & makin' traxx Date: 10 Jul 1996 16:03:35 +0100 >Subject: Re: Spinning Orbital Vinyl I've heard Justin Robertson spinning some Orbital tracks in his set and also Darren Emerson to name just a few. Infact Darren Emerson did a free-mix tape on the cover of Musik (I think) which featured an Orbital track. On the "how to start off making Orbital type tracks*, well the best way to start is with a sampler, at least one analog synth and a big bag of inspiration. (Samplers furnished by Emu, analog furnished by SCI/Roland and inspiration courtesy - Orbital) M:) [-A Cyborgs Eye View-------------------- http://www.u-net.com/~cev ] | home of.... ( t h e m o b e u s ) | | | [ Compilation CD featuring m o b e u s tracks JazzMag & Warrior, ] |*Distributed Shared Memory* on Mindspore - www.mindspore.com/dsm | [-------- released June 1996 - U.S. (UK & Europe - tba) ----------] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vaughn Eifler Subject: tour dates? Date: 10 Jul 1996 20:39:37 -0500 anyone know any tour dates for texas? -- **************************** * Vaughn Kristopher Eifler * **************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Allan Bard Subject: Re: Orbital in Toronto Date: 10 Jul 1996 23:06:53 EDT On Mon, 8 Jul 1996 DvWeitzner@aol.com wrote: > I too missed the first half of the Orbital show and, to say the least, was > rather displeased. They were incredible. When Moby spinned for Outlaw I > arrived early and he didn't go on untill 3:30, now I arrive later and this > happens..... > > HOWEVER, there is a bright side. I know that there are tons of rumours going > around but I have heard from a VERY reliable source (I was and am obssesed > with Jane's prior to my discovering techno some five years back) that Perry > has secured Orbital (not the Orb, at this stage anyway), Meat Beat Manifesto, > and Lady Miss Kier (who has now gone jungle) for the rave segment of Enit. > There will also be Porno, Black Grape, and Love and Rockets. Prodigy are top > on the want list.... > > The chances of Enit coming to Toronto are slim, but they will be in the > vicinity. If there is enough local interest, perhaps we can arrange a > mass-transit situation. After the Orbital teaser last Thursday, I will do > anything to see them again (not to mention Porno, Lady Miss, et al). > Comments??? > > David > I was one of the really unfortunate ones who didn't even get to see the show on Thursday because my so-called friends were supposed to pick me up and instead left without me claiming that "they didn't know that I wanted to go." Right, who in their right mind would pass up an Orbital show; Hell, I even told them where to get tickets and everything, so it was obvious that I wanted to go. Needless to say that i'm more than a little pissed off, and this news about Enit at least gives me a ray of hope that I'll see them sometime soon. So, to sum up - I'm all for a road trip to Enit. Now what to do about it? (By the way, Prodigy was on the Enit site - www.teeth.net, but there gone now; what happened?) Rob> Robert Allan Bard ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Flores Subject: Re: questions... Date: 11 Jul 1996 00:34:23 -0400 okay guys I've got a couple questions that need some answering, please. 1) Situation: ordered a limited edition In Sides beofre the album was released in April(u.k)/May(Canada) from the u.k. but it was never shipped. I seem to remember that a few weeks ago people were saying that the ltd. they had had no extra tracks. I seem to remember that when I ordered it, it was the Internal release as well. Today I get in touch with a couple of record stores and I'm told that a new Ltd. of In Sides is/has been released in the u.k and it's a double that comes in a box. Question: is this the same ltd. that was released back in April or something different? And if anyone has a hold of it and it's different could you tell me what else is on there besides the album. 2) I wuz looking at singles I have amongst my collection and noticed for the first time that on the brown album there's a track called Monday and on the Halcyon (u.s) e.p there's a song called Sunday. Oaky, so I'm a bit slow. Is there any connection that anyone's noticed between the two? If there is could that have been the root of the Box (parts 1 through 4)? thanx, ang ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shaunr@juno.com (Shaun D Rader) Subject: Re: Orbital in Toronto Date: 10 Jul 1996 21:58:40 PST Robert, I think I would be thinking of a way to kill my so-called friends without getting caught if they did that to me. That really sucks, it even sucks more than setting your tape recorder to tape the Orbital set but not getting it on tape because it wasn't set to record (I mean, at least I got to see them play...). Shaun Rader ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daydreamer Subject: bootlegs Date: 11 Jul 1996 00:19:23 -0500 does anyone have bootlegs of the recent tour? I am especially looking for a boot of the chicago show. I hope some of you have been more clever thatn I. brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: larsonaj@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Subject: Re: questions... Date: 11 Jul 1996 08:47:22 -0500 (EST) On Thu, 11 Jul 1996, Flores wrote: > 1) Situation: ordered a limited edition In Sides beofre the album was released in April(u.k)/May(Canada) from > the u.k. but it was never shipped. I seem to remember that a few weeks ago people were saying that the ltd. > they had had no extra tracks. I seem to remember that when I ordered it, it was the Internal release as well. > Today I get in touch with a couple of record stores and I'm told that a new Ltd. of In Sides is/has been > released in the u.k and it's a double that comes in a box. > Question: is this the same ltd. that was released back in April or something different? And if anyone has a > hold of it and it's different could you tell me what else is on there besides the album. Well, i've got the first limited edition "in sides" in a box. It's only the normal cd...nothing special really (no extra tracks), just that it's in a box. The box does look quite cool though. It has the blue and black diagonal stripes all around it w/ a yellow sticker that initially held the top and bottom together. It doesn't have the cartoon art thingys on there. It was the only copy my record store had in stock back then... Oh, and I saw the limited vinyl 3-pack in NYC the other day...no extra tracks. hope this helps, -Andy larsonaj@muohio.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spliff Subject: Re: CD Mega Sale! Date: 11 Jul 1996 21:24:10 -0500 > > Right now I need the cash more than the trash. The following CDs are > > for sale. Shipping included! > > How does this work. I send you a check or what? You got it. BTW-Which one do you want? I didn't see anything mentioned in your email. Spliff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bigsixty@aol.com Subject: Tampa Date: 12 Jul 1996 04:33:14 -0400 I just got back from Tampa. It is like 4:30 in the morning and I am beat. It was an incredible show. They played the same songs y'all heard. Oh but how they played them. It was beautiful. I want to drive to Miami tomorrow, but I don't think I'll be able to. I will remember this night forever. Oh how cool it was. It was worth waiting over 3 years for. WOW. If you can't tell, I am so happy. I could not stop moving the whole time. Not once. Oh the energy. Well, I am done now. Bye - Tyler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:bootlegs Date: 12 Jul 1996 12:42:06 BST Might have the Chicago and the Portland shows coming my way. Anybody else out there got any stuff....live from any time then mail me (not here....my email address). Got anything Brian ? Cheers Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine. steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk NP. Orbital "Forever (live) - MTV live video" ----------------------[Reply - Original Message]---------------------- Sent by:daydreamer does anyone have bootlegs of the recent tour? I am especially looking for a boot of the chicago show. I hope some of you have been more clever thatn I. brian ===================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:Re: questions... Date: 12 Jul 1996 12:46:21 BST Sorry to quote the whole lot...but it is quesions. :) 1) The limited box in the uk (that i know of) is the stripped cd box that has one cd in it. No extra tracks. If its another one then...it must be an import. 2) Sunday and Monday have no connection (that i know of). Monday is IMHO one of the worst tracks written by Orbital whereas Sunday is a beaut. Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine Steve.Price@Hoskyns.Co.Uk NP: "Sad But True (live)" Orbital (MTV Live Video) ----------------------[Reply - Original Message]---------------------- Sent by:Flores okay guys I've got a couple questions that need some answering, please. 1) Situation: ordered a limited edition In Sides beofre the album was released in April(u.k)/May(Canada) from the u.k. but it was never shipped. I seem to remember that a few weeks ago people were saying that the ltd. they had had no extra tracks. I seem to remember that when I ordered it, it was the Internal release as well. Today I get in touch with a couple of record stores and I'm told that a new Ltd. of In Sides is/has been released in the u.k and it's a double that comes in a box. Question: is this the same ltd. that was released back in April or something different? And if anyone has a hold of it and it's different could you tell me what else is on there besides the album. 2) I wuz looking at singles I have amongst my collection and noticed for the first time that on the brown album there's a track called Monday and on the Halcyon (u.s) e.p there's a song called Sunday. Oaky, so I'm a bit slow. Is there any connection that anyone's noticed between the two? If there is could that have been the root of the Box (parts 1 through 4)? thanx, ang ===================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony Bryan Subject: quickie on tampa show Date: 12 Jul 1996 18:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Rode 3 hrs to the tampa show & was not disappoiinted. very nice. ear plugs would be a good idea. took some pics, hopefully they'll turn out good. will post more after I've been to the miamii show tonight! trax: soundtrackish [ someone said theme from goldeneye? ] out there somewhere [ lots of clock pics, leftover from times fly? ] choice [ peace please. very nice. ] (order becomes confused) girl w/ the sun... lush box petrol satan [ why were 'obligation' & 'confidential' up there? ] dwr bdr halcyon forever [ only sniv track ] ---encore remiind [ didn't even recognize at 1st ] impact [ a cry for survival ] They played In Sides except Adnan (unless I missed it?) & a good deal of brown. niiiice! Anthony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: perry17@apmicro.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Spinning Orbital Vinyl & makin' traxx Date: 13 Jul 1996 16:20:21 +0000 > Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:03:35 +0100 > To: orbital@xmission.com > From: Martin Ayrton > Subject: Re: Spinning Orbital Vinyl & makin' traxx > Reply-to: orbital@xmission.com > >Subject: Re: Spinning Orbital Vinyl > > I've heard Justin Robertson spinning some Orbital tracks in his set > and also Darren Emerson to name just a few. Infact Darren Emerson > did a free-mix tape on the cover of Musik (I think) which featured > an Orbital track. > > On the "how to start off making Orbital type tracks*, well the > best way to start is with a sampler, at least one analog synth > and a big bag of inspiration. (Samplers furnished by Emu, > analog furnished by SCI/Roland and inspiration courtesy - Orbital) > > :-) Some of Orbitals 12" are top to fit under 2 trax giving the music a constantly progressive and carefully cultivated rhythmic dynamic push towards heaven, eg Lush/walknow ep. Trax like "The girl with the sun in her head." are just in a different catogory, (although for a techno head like me I imagine a CDJ500 might be in order to crank the speed up with out altering the song,) the only problem with spinning mastery like this is that, I think you'll agree is that you want to give it so much respect that I would only play it when I respect my mixing enough to have the cheek to play it. I also regard it as a treat for myself, and unfortunately like all....well most good stuff, you can't over do it. Personnally I think there aren't that many top quality musicians about that make seriously shit hot traxx though these are two of them, and if I was locked in a room with my fav Orbital tracks I would hope someone would swallow the key. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: Orbital @ The masquerade Date: 13 Jul 1996 18:19:16 EDT Okay, just (well, a coupla days ago) got back from the Atlanta show, and was wondering what the others who were lucky enough to be there thought.. Also, I'm looking for a bit of help with the setlist. Here is the stuff I remember: (not necessarily in order) Out There Somewhere? Choice Lush 3-x The Box Satan Halcyon + On + On Forever Impact (I think as part of the encore) My problem is I tend to just put in the album and listen and not pay too terribly much attention to the song titles. First off, the show was incredible, even better than I had expected (which was quite a lot). The high points (at least for me) 1. The Box - Just amazing. THat part with the harpsichord just floors me every time I hear it. 2. Satan - I don't know what happened in the translation from the albunm to the live version, but it was incredible. I've never danced that hard in my life. 3. And of course, the obligatory "Shot through the heart, and you're to blame, darlin' you make heaven a place on earth". The one time in my life where the anticipation actually fell short of the real thing. Wow. Now that I'm done ranting, what does everyone else think? -G PS - the guy in the silver vest, what was up with that? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shaunr@juno.com (Shaun D Rader) Subject: Orbital in a movie commercial? Date: 14 Jul 1996 19:11:41 PST I just caught the very end of the commercial for the new Jackie Chan movie here in the states. I was wondering if anyone can confirm that "Quality Seconds" was used for the commercial. It sure sounded like it, but I didn't get to hear much at all. Shaun Rader ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: broohaha@xnet.com (Al Arzaga) Subject: Re: Orbital in a movie commercial? Date: 14 Jul 1996 22:17:30 -0500 >I just caught the very end of the commercial for the new Jackie Chan >movie here in the states. I was wondering if anyone can confirm that >"Quality Seconds" was used for the commercial. It sure sounded like it, >but I didn't get to hear much at all. > >Shaun Rader Cool! I'll go keep my eyes and ears open for that one. Btw, I'm wondering if anyone noticed Orbital music was played in a movie that was released a year or two ago (and was on HBO w/in the past year). It starred that guy that used to be on NYPD blue... That red-headed guy. Don't know his name or what part he played as I don't watch the show... All I know it was a big role, and people thought he was great or something. Anyhow, in the movie (which wasn't all that great - which explains why I can't remember its title) he's some criminal trying to change his ways, but the feds won't let him cuz they need him in a sting operation or something. Anyhow much of the movie centers around those criminals they're trying to bust who own and hang out at a strip joint. And lo and behold in one scene at that joint the strippers were dancing to "Lush". Oh.. for those who want to see it just for the song, uhm.. Nicholas Cage is in it. One of the bad guys. Junior, I think they called him. With this, you should be able to find the title by doing a check on the Internet Movie Database or something. aL -- Alden Arzaga broohaha@xnet.com http://www.xnet.com/~broohaha "After all is said and done, more is said than done." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "griffin@prairienet.com" Subject: RE: Orbital in a movie commercial? Date: 15 Jul 1996 00:31:17 -0500 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB71E5.2EE17E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- Sent: Sunday, July 14, 1996 10:17 PM >I just caught the very end of the commercial for the new Jackie Chan >movie here in the states. I was wondering if anyone can confirm that >"Quality Seconds" was used for the commercial. It sure sounded like = it, >but I didn't get to hear much at all. > >Shaun Rader Cool! I'll go keep my eyes and ears open for that one. Btw, I'm wondering if anyone noticed Orbital music was played in a movie that was released a year or two ago (and was on HBO w/in the past year). It starred that guy that used to be on NYPD blue... That red-headed = guy. Don't know his name or what part he played as I don't watch the show... All I know it was a big role, and people thought he was great or = something. Anyhow, in the movie (which wasn't all that great - which explains why I can't remember its title) he's some criminal trying to change his ways, = but the feds won't let him cuz they need him in a sting operation or something. = Anyhow much of the movie centers around those criminals they're trying to bust = who own and hang out at a strip joint. And lo and behold in one scene at = that joint the strippers were dancing to "Lush". Oh.. for those who want to see it just for the song, uhm.. Nicholas = Cage is in it. One of the bad guys. Junior, I think they called him. With this, you should be able to find the title by doing a check on the = Internet Movie Database or something. Yeah, I know exactly what movie you are talking about. It is called Kiss = Of Death, I believe. Also, in the ad for Supercop (I think its called) = that music IS Quality Seconds. I assure you. 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Date: 15 Jul 1996 02:11:10 EDT OR>I just caught the very end of the commercial for the new Jackie Chan OR>movie here in the states. I was wondering if anyone can confirm that OR>"Quality Seconds" was used for the commercial. It sure sounded like it, OR>but I didn't get to hear much at all. OR>Shaun Rader That's what it was. I saw it too.. And I swear I heard the beginning of an Orbital song during MTV's Sandblast as they were going to a commercial. I can't say for sure which song, but it just sounded so Orbital-like, I'm assuming it was something of theirs. -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: noctum Subject: orbital us tour Date: 15 Jul 1996 01:59:05 -0500 does anyone know when orbital will tour the us again? i really would love to see them live its my only wish in this lifetime :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Lester Subject: Re: Orbital in a movie commercial? Date: 15 Jul 1996 10:09:08 +0100 > Btw, I'm wondering if anyone noticed Orbital music was played in a movie > that was released a year or two ago (and was on HBO w/in the past year). Yeah - that's right - 'Kiss of Death', I think - I saw this on video recently. They were playing 'Lush' in the bar like you said. (I think there was maybe another Orbital track in there somewhere?) They were also playing a nice tune off Dope on Plastic 2 (REACT) in the bar just before the wife got killed. (I also seem to remember Cypress Hill for the violent scene in the office?) Not a bad film - what Junior did to the fat guy was well funny :-)) Speaking of Orbital in films my fave is 'Shopping' where they have Orbital going on the decks in the club, and Halcyon as incidental music all the way through the film. Anyone seen that? (excellent film as well) -Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RonHHodges@aol.com Subject: Re: Orbital in a movie commercial? Date: 15 Jul 1996 07:33:13 -0400 In a recent movie called "Hackers" (not too great a film, but at least I only rented it and didn't pay big bucks for the theatrical experience), the opening track for the film is "Halcyon". Pretty good soundtrack as a whole, as I recall. And then of course there was Johnny Mnemonic... Ron Hodges http://members.tripod.com/~Ron_Hodges/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ronald G. Spencer" Subject: Re: Orbital in a movie commercial? Date: 15 Jul 1996 09:53:44 -0500 Shaun D Rader wrote: > > I just caught the very end of the commercial for the new Jackie Chan > movie here in the states. I was wondering if anyone can confirm that > "Quality Seconds" was used for the commercial. It sure sounded like it, > but I didn't get to hear much at all. > > Shaun Rader Yeah, I heard the same thing over the 4th of July weekend.... Regards, Ron Spencer -- ___ ___ ___ _ _ ___ ___ ___ / __>| . \| __|| \| |/ __>| __|| . \ \__ \| _rspencer@tamu.edu | __|| / <___/|_| |___||_|\_|\___>|___||_\_\ Ronald G. Spencer Analog Microelectronics Group Texas A&M University http://amesp02.tamu.edu/~rspencer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete Ashdown Subject: Re: orbital us tour Date: 15 Jul 1996 11:12:39 -0600 (MDT) noctum said once upon a time: > >does anyone know when orbital will tour the us again? >i really would love to see them live >its my only wish in this lifetime :) They said there is the possibility of one in the fall. Get your letters in now! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: X91LASER@wmich.edu Subject: belinda and detroit show questions Date: 15 Jul 1996 13:13:06 -0400 (EDT) i am interested in getting ahold of two things: 1) a mp2 or wav file of the vocal sample from belinda carlisle's song, "heaven is a place on earth." this can be emailed to me. 2) the complete set list from the July 1st detroit show at st. andrew's hall. i know there must be someone else on the list who was there. right? thanks jim laser ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron S. Gregory" Subject: Re: quickie on tampa show Date: 15 Jul 1996 14:57:32 -0700 Hey folks, I know I'm a bit late with my reviews and yes, Tyler and Anthony speeketh the truth! The night will be forever remembered in my mind! A few notes from my ears/eyes: 10:00 PM (outside the club) I get word that the sound system/power had a blow out! Show is delayed! The brothers must have been gettin too WICKED....sounds as if I missed the best part of the night!! Yeah right. Vapourspace: I had absolutely no idea Mr. Gage would be making an appearance! Very VERY pleasant surprise. I don't know if Tyler and Anthony are familiar with his stuff, but I could have sworn that 50-75% of the stuff he played (about 50 min) was new material! Does he have a new album out or something? I haven't really heard much from him lately (except for "Rex Me Fecu" on Trance Atlantic 1). He did, of course, play "Gravitational Arch of 10" and "Anaximnader's Time Loop/Stick" but NO "Vista Humana" (I was bummed, but that's for another time/list). ORBITAL (on stage 12:30) Stage/setup: Initially, I was a little disappointed after seeing only 3 screens! I think they had five for the Albert hall gig, but yes, the Parthenon (the club) didn't have a lot of vertical space, so I will not fault the bros. for this...as always the images were magnificent. Set: As Anthony & Tyler said, pretty mush the same stuff. [Intro] > soundtrackish [ someone said theme from goldeneye? ] I doubt it was Goldeneye, I was trying to think of all the Bond film themes during this intro, but my mind/senses were otherwise occupied, and I could not come up with the tune. > out there somewhere [ lots of clock pics, leftover from times fly? ] > choice [ peace please. very nice. ] And the rest... Lush 3-1 Lush 3-2 The Girl... Dwr Budr The Box (EP Part 2) The Box (In Sides Part B) P.E.T.R.O.L. Satan (absolutely KILLER VERSION!) Halcyon (with yes, Bon Jovi & Belinda samples) Forever ------- Chime Impact (bits of EVERY version) I know we've all heard/read about this stuff, but to those of you who saw them, was not the version of "Satan" mind blowing?? I mean they warped that sucker bigtime! The Halycon light show was by far the best, the balls and the blue lights were totally mezmerizing. I knew the Bon Jovi/Belinda stuff was coming, but I had yet to hear it so I was on the edge the whole track then silence....SHOCK TO THE HEART... the whole dance floor STOPPED...then the sample warped, the bassline got goin and everybody cut up the joint, whatta MASSIVE TUNE!! And yes,it was "Chime" not "Remind" for the first encore track, I was kinda hard to tell, and the proof of this was that I think I WAS THE ONLY ONE on the dancefloor who clapped when "Chime"s main theme was played, I mean most people had idea it was "CHIME"...an absolute classic....YES, I was most shocked at this, but then "Impact" rolled in, starting with the "brown" version, then going into that famous "Glastonbury" crescendo part and finishing up with the totally tweeked out version of "Impact USA". BLOODY BRILLIANT!!! Well, sorry to waste everybody's time, but I just had to put in my two cents for this tour... Aaron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron S. Gregory" Subject: sorry bon jovi! Date: 15 Jul 1996 15:31:12 -0700 gandalf@wnc.com wrote: > 3. And of course, the obligatory "Shot through the heart, and you're to > blame, darlin' you make heaven a place on earth". The one time in my > life where the anticipation actually fell short of the real thing. Wow. > Shot through the heart....ok, now i get it! You folks will have to forgive me, but I think my collection lacks the proper Bon Jovi section! sorry! -A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: Re: quickie on tampa show Date: 15 Jul 1996 17:20:10 EDT They seem to have played the exact same set in Tampa as they did in Atlanta, and yes, the 'Satan' was just incredible. I would place that right behind Halcyon as the most impressive point of the show. And my brother says it was worth the 7-hour drive just for the look on my face when they started into 'Lush'.. -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sboilard@ebtech.net Subject: Re: belinda and detroit show questions Date: 15 Jul 1996 17:09:31 -0400 At 01:13 PM 15/07/96 -0400, you wrote: >i am interested in getting ahold of two things: > >1) a mp2 or wav file of the vocal sample from belinda carlisle's song, >"heaven is a place on earth." this can be emailed to me. > >2) the complete set list from the July 1st detroit show at st. andrew's >hall. i know there must be someone else on the list who was there. right? > >thanks > >jim laser > > >At 13:48 96-07-03 -0700, you wrote: >>Since nobody else seems to have posted a complete set list, I'll have a try >>at it and wait for the corrections to flow forth. >> >> >>Intro: theme from James Bond "GoldenEye" soundtrack >>Adnan's # >>Choice >>Lush 3-1/Lush 3-2/The Girl With The Sun In Her Head >>Dwr Budr (with excellent video) >>The Box >>P.E.T.R.O.L. >>Satan >>Halcyon+On+On+ > > > > >> >>Out There Somewhere? - then, as if sequenced back to back... >>Choice (complete with speech) >>Lush 3 (1 & 2) - mixed into... >>The Girl with the Sun in her Head >>Dwr Budr >>The Box (single part 2) >>The Box (album part b) >>P.E.T.R.O.L. >>Satan (with long ambient intro... lovely...) >>Halcyon (with Belinda Carlisle and Bon Jovi samples) >>Forever... >>- encore - >>Chime - mixed into... >>Impact (bits from both versions) >> >> >>Mr disco >>> >> > >i heard about the same with the exceptions of: >Halcyon without the bon jovi >Impact was after Forever with Satan after that > >-encore- >not in order >Remind >Monday >Planet of the shapes > >pretty much the rest of the brown album without walk now.. > Judith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Renee Baker" Subject: Re: Orbital in a movie commercial? Date: 15 Jul 1996 13:51:00 -0700 Yes yes yes! I'm glad someone brought this up. I have seen the Jackie Chan commercial twice now. First time I said, "Wow! That music is familiar." Second time I said, "Oh my God! It's Orbital!" _______________________________________________________________________________ OR>I just caught the very end of the commercial for the new Jackie Chan OR>movie here in the states. I was wondering if anyone can confirm that OR>"Quality Seconds" was used for the commercial. It sure sounded like it, OR>but I didn't get to hear much at all. OR>Shaun Rader That's what it was. I saw it too.. And I swear I heard the beginning of an Orbital song during MTV's Sandblast as they were going to a commercial. I can't say for sure which song, but it just sounded so Orbital-like, I'm assuming it was something of theirs. -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: orbital@wwi.net (Anthony Agee) Subject: Re: orbital us tour Date: 15 Jul 1996 18:51:44 -0500 At 11:12 AM 7/15/96 -0600, you wrote: >noctum said once upon a time: >> >>does anyone know when orbital will tour the us again? >>i really would love to see them live >>its my only wish in this lifetime :) > >They said there is the possibility of one in the fall. Get your letters in >now! I will surely do that. But I want to hear more Sniv next time!!! (where in the HELL was "Are We Here") Times Fly would be nice too ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: orbital@wwi.net (Anthony Agee) Subject: Clearing up the "Goldeneye" myth Date: 15 Jul 1996 18:59:51 -0500 As a HUGE fan of John Barry I think I need to put the issue "what is that music Orbital plays at the beginning of their sets?" to rest. The music they play is from the James Bond movie "You Only Live Twice". This particular piece of music is called "The Space March" and is one of John Barry's greatest works. I think that John Barry should be very flattered that today's greatest musical genius adores him. As I listen to "In Sides" more and more...I'm starting to question whether or not it is their best work. I'm in love with this cd. I'll be away in Michigan for 2 weeks so I'll be unable to read the postings. I'll miss them and their authors!! "I'll remember if it's the last thing I do...." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: orbital@wwi.net (Anthony Agee) Subject: Re: quickie on tampa show Date: 15 Jul 1996 19:01:42 -0500 >And yes,it was "Chime" not "Remind" for the first encore track, I was kinda hard to tell, and the >proof of this was that I think I WAS THE ONLY ONE on the dancefloor who clapped when "Chime"s >main theme was played, I mean most people had idea it was "CHIME"...an absolute classic....YES, >I was most shocked at this, but then "Impact" rolled in, starting with the "brown" version, >then going into that famous "Glastonbury" crescendo part and finishing up with the totally >tweeked out version of "Impact USA". BLOODY BRILLIANT!!! > Honestly, I don't think Chime is so great. Am I the only one who thinks so? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bigsixty@aol.com Subject: Re: quickie on tampa show Date: 15 Jul 1996 20:53:05 -0400 Okay Aaron, nice review. The Vapourspace stuff, you are correct, I know little of. The only album I have heard was like a 70 min one track album, which bothered me cause it was one track. I hate that. But hey, what can you do. But anyway, from where I was standing, which was about five feet from the guy, it looked as if he was doing most of it live. The sequences were obviously pre-programmed, but the tweaking of the analog type sounds was done as he went. I watched his hands control the sound, it was pretty damn cool. He said it was a $200 piece of equipment, a PS1600 or something. I'm not quite sure. It sounded pretty good for deep trance stuff though, other than the fact that 50% of it sounded like one song. I was impressed by his playing, but not much by the sequences. Weird.... The sound system problems delayed it a bit. Last time I went to Parthenon, for Prodigy, the sound system was worse than horrible. I was pissed. Fortuanately Paul came out to the shirt booth to talk to someone and I got his autograph on one of those free stickers. Pretty cool. He told me of the delay and I told him how anxious I was to see them perform. He gave me the thumbs up. What a nice guy. That almost made up for the fact that they were sold out of shirts. Doh. I forgot to mention how much I loved the tour version of P.E.T.R.O.L. It was so much faster. Being the jungle freak that I am, I was enthralled. It sounded so cool. I was the freak screaming "faster...faster" at the end. Satan definately wasn't faster, but I do love that song. Also, I just saw the Supercop commercial. I love Orbital, but I have to say, Quality seconds is their worst song ever. I thought it was a joke. But it is cool to see on TV I guess... Okay, I am done - Tyler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: broohaha@xnet.com (Al Arzaga) Subject: Re: quickie on tampa show Date: 15 Jul 1996 20:05:39 -0500 > >Honestly, I don't think Chime is so great. Am I the only one who thinks so? I'm with you on this. I much prefer Belfast over Chime as far as the green album's concerned. aL -- Alden Arzaga broohaha@xnet.com http://www.xnet.com/~broohaha "After all is said and done, more is said than done." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: noctum Subject: Re: orbital us tour Date: 15 Jul 1996 21:45:20 -0500 At 06:51 PM 7/15/96 -0500, you wrote: >At 11:12 AM 7/15/96 -0600, you wrote: >>noctum said once upon a time: >>> >>>does anyone know when orbital will tour the us again? >>>i really would love to see them live >>>its my only wish in this lifetime :) >> >>They said there is the possibility of one in the fall. Get your letters in >>now! > >I will surely do that. But I want to hear more Sniv next time!!! (where in >the HELL was "Are We Here") Times Fly would be nice too > > > someone tell them to come to nashville! :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: Clearing up the "Goldeneye" myth Date: 15 Jul 1996 23:58:44 EDT OR>As I listen to "In Sides" more and more...I'm starting to question whether OR>or not it is their best work. I'm in love with this cd. I know what you mean. I've just completely fallen in love with 'Out There Somewhere' and 'The Girl With the Sun in Her Head'. -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: Re: quickie on tampa show Date: 16 Jul 1996 00:01:26 EDT OR>> OR>>Honestly, I don't think Chime is so great. Am I the only one who thinks so? OR>I'm with you on this. I much prefer Belfast over Chime as far OR>as the green album's concerned. Well, having already stated that I think Chime is pretty groovy, I must add that I think Belfast is the best song on that album... -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spliff Subject: Sale CDs Available Date: 15 Jul 1996 22:48:51 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1E0E57377A53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All. The following CDs are still available. Maybe people were sleeping? Who knows, but get 'em while you can. Spliff --------------1E0E57377A53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="salecds2.doc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="salecds2.doc" ÐÏࡱáFAX (the real stuff, mind you): Pete Namlook - The Definitive Ambient Collection (Rising High) $21 Syn 2CD $22 Alien Community $10 Albums: Dread Zone - 360 Degrees $9 Human Mesh Dance (Taylor 808) - Hyaline $8 Lemon Sol - Environmental Architecture $11 Slowdive - Souvlaki (US version, contains 5EP) $9 Imports: Drum Club - Live in Iceland $13 Eat Static - Implant (original import) $10 Juno Reactor - Luciana (ambient) $13 The Pulsating Sound of Orb - live bootleg $21 Waxworth Industries - Alien Disco $13 Compilations (all trance): Around the Day in 80 Worlds (Solar Quest, Zuvuya, Zion Train) $11 Infonet Recordings - Beyond the Machines (Bandulu, Syzygy, Eddie Fowlkes) $12 TechnoSonic Volume 5 2CD $10 Trance Europe Express 3 2CD $11 Trance Sylvania (Polygon Window, Escape (Namlook), Humate, 4 Voice (Namlook)) $14 Singles: Vapourspace - Vista Humana $6 --------------1E0E57377A53-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: Re: quickie on tampa show Date: 15 Jul 1996 23:59:28 EDT OR>Honestly, I don't think Chime is so great. Am I the only one who thinks so? I dunno. I think it's pretty groovy. -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 2guys Subject: Source for Orbital CDs Date: 16 Jul 1996 00:42:34 -0400 Hello! Can anyone tell me where I can find a good selection of Orbital CDs or 12" Vinyl? I've got all the full length CDs and now I'd like to track down some of these remix CD singles I've read about. I'm also interested in finding out if they will be playing in North Carolina. Is there a list of concert dates available anywhere? Thanks, Dale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: broohaha@xnet.com (Al Arzaga) Subject: Berlin Rave...(fwd) Date: 16 Jul 1996 00:19:40 -0500 Wonder when it'll catch on in this side of the Atlantic.... ** X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to ne-raves-approval using -f ** X-Sender: orbital@scdh-99.umd.edu ** Mime-Version: 1.0 ** Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 13:32:42 -0500 ** To: ne-raves@world.std.com ** From: orbital@hazmat.com (Gil Yaker) ** Subject: |NER| from the baltimore sun ** Sender: ne-raves-approval@world.std.com ** Precedence: bulk ** Reply-To: orbital@hazmat.com (Gil Yaker) ** ** Berlin 's 'Love Parade 'draws 500, 000 ** ** associated press ** ** BERLIN-The booming beat of techno music thundered through the ** center of Berlin yesterday as half a million brightly colored, energyfilled ** young people converged on the city for the eighth annual "Love Parade." ** ** Police estimated the crowd at 500,000 "or a little more," while ** organizers said 600,000 people were dancing along the 2.5 mile-stretch ** between Ernst Reuter Platz and the Brandenburg Gate. ** ** "It's great," raved Noboru Ushiyama, 33, of Tokyo, decked out in ** fluorescent green and orange. Japan has nothing like the Love Parade, he ** said, "but when I go back, maybe I can start one next year." ** ** The Love Parade began in 1989 with about 150 people dancing behind ** a Volkswagen van under the motto "Peace, Happiness and Pancakes." ** ** It has grown every year to become the world's biggest gathering for ** fans of electronic dance music known as techno. ** ** About 40 trucks with towering loudspeakers provided the beat for ** this year's procession, which adopted the motto, "We are one family." MTV ** Europe carried the event live for the first time. ** ** ** ** ** ***to the mind that Gil Yaker ** is still, the whole orbital@hazmat.com ** universe surrenders http://www.hazmat.com/~orbital ** << end of forwarded material >> Also wondering if the poster knows about this mailing list. aL -- Alden Arzaga broohaha@xnet.com http://www.xnet.com/~broohaha "After all is said and done, more is said than done." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: noctum Subject: Re: Sale CDs Available Date: 16 Jul 1996 01:41:56 -0500 At 10:48 PM 7/15/96 -0500, you wrote: >Hi All. > >The following CDs are still available. Maybe people were sleeping? Who=20 >knows, but get 'em while you can. > >Spliff >=D0=CF=11=E0=A1=B1=1A=E1=0EFAX (the real stuff, mind you): >Pete Namlook - The Definitive Ambient Collection (Rising High) $21 >Syn 2CD $22 >Alien Community $10 > >Albums: >Dread Zone - 360 Degrees $9 >Human Mesh Dance (Taylor 808) - Hyaline $8 >Lemon Sol - Environmental Architecture $11 >Slowdive - Souvlaki (US version, contains 5EP) $9 > >Imports: >Drum Club - Live in Iceland $13 >Eat Static - Implant (original import) $10 >Juno Reactor - Luciana (ambient) $13 >The Pulsating Sound of Orb - live bootleg $21 >Waxworth Industries - Alien Disco $13 > >Compilations (all trance): >Around the Day in 80 Worlds (Solar Quest, Zuvuya, Zion Train) $11 >Infonet Recordings - Beyond the Machines (Bandulu, Syzygy, Eddie Fowlkes)= $12 >TechnoSonic Volume 5 2CD $10 >Trance Europe Express 3 2CD $11 >Trance Sylvania (Polygon Window, Escape (Namlook), Humate, 4 Voice (Namlook)) $14 > >Singles: >Vapourspace - Vista Humana $6 ill take them all! mailto: noctum@cris.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:Re: quickie on tampa show Date: 16 Jul 1996 10:01:42 BST >Honestly, I don't think Chime is so great. Am I the only one who thinks >so? Chime was good at its time. Im a bit bored with it but still can listen to it. Paul actually said on the first night that "we can play THE BOX now instead of CHIME as its a best selling track." He didnt play CHIME that night but looks like the demand for it made him change his mind. Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine. p.s Did they play SUNDAY anywhere in the world ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fanno Subject: Re: Organic '96 Date: 16 Jul 1996 12:16:56 -0700 (PDT) On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Lazlo Nibble wrote: > > I'm really mad right now because I would have taped Orbital's set if I > > knew it was going to be broadcast live. I want a live tape and that > > would be the easiest way to get one! > > >From the number of video cameras I saw in the crowd I would gather there > were probably dozens of people with DATs as well. All we have to do is get > them to fess up. :-) > > -- > ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) Dear Lazlo, I too was blown away by Orbital's performance the Orb was just as awesome, I thought. But if anyone out there has a copy in video or cassettte I am willing to part with my hard-earned greenbacks! Organic '96 was by far the best electronic music gig that I've ever had the chance to attend. Bring more of them to SoCAl-now! Out There Listening---- -:} Fanno (fanno@rohan.sdsu.edu) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fanno Subject: Re: Would you like to hear a sad story...? Date: 16 Jul 1996 13:05:24 -0700 (PDT) On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Shaun D Rader wrote: > Before leaving my house to see Orbital on Saturday, June 22 at Organic > '96, I got an idea. I found a tape and put it in my stereo. Then I set > my stereo to go off at 1:30 in the morning to catch After Hours on KROQ. > I did this because I was wondering who was going to fill in for Jason > Bentley since he was going to be at Organic. I actually did it just in > case the concert was going to be broadcast live... (I couldn't care less > who fills in for him) > > While at the concert, Jason Bentley came out before the Chemical Brothers > and mentioned that the concert was live on KROQ. It was about 9:20 and I > was surprised they would actually play this type of music at that time. I remember I had my stereo set to turn on at 1:30. At the rate the bands > were performing, Orbital would be on during that time! I was pretty > happy with myself. > > Orbital got on stage at about 1:20. I was mad that I would miss the > beginning of Out There Somewhere? But, I was looking forward to having > the bulk of Orbital's set on tape (my tape player switches sides while > recording, I had a 100 minute tape in) when I got home to enjoy for > centuries to come. > > I came home at about 5 in the morning and checked my tape, no Orbital, no > concert, just the normal After Hours sounding music. So, I guess they > lied to us all night... > > I woke up the next morning and listened to more of the tape. I hear > Jason Bentley talking about Organic '96, an all night rave happening > next weekend. Just then, it hit me. It hit me hard. That was the tape > I used to tape a part of the show last weekend. I didn't record anything > during Organic '96. I had my stereo set to TURN ON at 1:30, not to > record! All it did was TURN ON for 2 hours for no one to hear. > > I see everyone getting online asking for tapes of the live broadcast when > I had it in my hands. I was prepared. I was ready for it. I HAD > ORBITAL LIVE ON TAPE. I just forgot to record. > > > I haven't heard of anyone who can confirm that the concert really WAS on > the radio that night, but I'm sure they wouldn't lie. Everyone's asking > for the tapes, but no one has heard it or taped it. Anyways, I really > felt like crying. If you read this far, you get bonus. I hope you > feel my pain... > > Shaun Rader > Dear Shaun- My eyes turned red and swelled while reading your e-mail. My heart bleeds with you man! Viewing Orbital's set was one of the highlights in my 25 years of existence on this "earth is burning" planet! I have been such a HUGE fan of Orbital from the beginning and saw them play in my home town of San Diego at the old Soma along with ultramarine and Meat Beat Manifesto this some MTV 120 minutes tour with some wannabe wanker VJ with the first name Dave, I think. Orbital that night was by far tops playing pretty much everything from the 1st album Choice, Satan, Belfast, etc. and of course they had their groovy, trademark dual miner's headbeams! The latest Orbital adventure exceeded ALL my expectations. At orgainc '96 they filled that mountain side with such awe and beauty that if loving beings from "out there somewhere" were tuned in that they too would join the party. That set went thru every emotion known to man, along with feeling emotions never felt by man and woman. However the word beautiful keeps entering my brain as the dominant adjective of the night. Unfortunately, my altered brain that night was not in the best operating mode to retain all the stimuli that P & P Hartnoll were throwing our way. That's where all you Orbital fans come into play- specifically those at Organic '96. DOES ANYONE HAVE A COPY- VIDEO OR AUDIO- OF FINE QUALITY, PLEASE, of the set of Orbital that I just described. I will of course pay the going rate depending on quality. Your help would be enormously appreciated! Thanks Very much. FANNO :-) All serious inquiries respond to (fanno@rohan.sdsu.edu). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fanno Subject: Re: Preferred listening Date: 16 Jul 1996 13:17:16 -0700 (PDT) On Sun, 30 Jun 1996 sboilard@ebtech.net wrote: > At 13:14 96-06-28 -0500, you wrote: > >I was wondering how you folks preferred your Orbital: headphones, car > >stereo, home stereo, etc. ? I listen to most of my music in my car. > >NOTHING beats driving in the morning on a nice sunny day with Girl w/ sun in > >her head on the CD player. Definitely a pleasure. > > > > > > i prefer a home stereo (even though mine sucks). i love to sit myself in > front of the speakers so that i feel like i'm almost a part of them. > however, my boyfriend prefers to listen to his in his car (he's a bit too > much of a car stereo freak). what i haven't heard yet but am dying to try > is a surround sound. just thinking about it... > > Judith > Hi Judith, I just read this and must say that Orbital in surround sound takes the cake, Future Sounds of London, aint bad either! Some of there tracks are built for surround sound like track 4 on their first album (sorry I forgot the title) but the soung sounds like a lighthouse of music spinning in my head. Also "Are We Here" is verrrry good as well. Save your money and go surround sound, your ears will thank you. Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fanno Subject: Re: Top 5 Orbital Tracks Date: 16 Jul 1996 13:24:46 -0700 (PDT) On Sun, 30 Jun 1996 steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk wrote: > In the next edition of "LOOPZ" (Orbital Zine) i intend to show the results > of the favourite 5 tracks composed by Orbital. For this survey i need your > help , yes YOU. > > What i need is your all time favourite 5 tracks by Orbital or remixed > by Orbital. Also you could throw in your current fave 5 tracks by Orbital > (your most played). > > Please send your choice (!) to my Email address (we dont want to create > bandwith grief on this list) and please state your name, handle and > location. > > Many thanks in advance. The results will be in the next edition of "LOOPZ" > and here (no doubt). > > Cheers , thanx in advance, > > Steve "LOOPZ" Price > Orbital Zine > Steve I hope I got my songs in time but here goes 1. Out There Somewhere 2. Are We Here? 3. Earth is Burning -Impact USA version 4. Sad But True 5. The Box 25 minute single version on special "In Sides" release My name is Jeff Fanno, my Handle? I guess it's from the computer at San Diego State University, Class of '96 with a BS in Environmental Health my e-mail is (fanno@rohan.sdsu.edu) and I live in San Diego. Can't wait for the mag. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fanno Subject: Re: halcyon mix Date: 16 Jul 1996 13:28:06 -0700 (PDT) On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Snake o' Silver wrote: > > the track you are refering too is "heaven is a place on earth" > > by belida carlisle and unfortunately, there is no version of this > > that has been officially released. it has appeared on a few > > bootleg cassettes tho' (alas, all the ones i've heard have been > > shit quality) > > > > does anyone out there have a good quality orbital show on cd? > > even a good chrome tape version? anything?? > > Actually, I've got a really good (straight from the record label) quality > video of Halcyon + on + on with a bunch of footage from various live > shows. They do the Belinda Carlisle thing, as well as mixing in Bon > Jovi's "Bad Medicine." Amazing how they pull it off! > > Speaking of which, I saw them on Thursday, in Portland, Oregon. Amazing, > amazing, amazing. Probably not quite as good as the NASA show in San > Francisco, but they DID have more stuff to play, and play it they did. I > like the laser on the headlamps especially. > > My ears are still plugged, but oh how the pain feels good. :) > > +-___----------------------------------------------------------------+ > |(*|*) "Knuckerbucker is in!" | > | | | ((( / ))) - Frank Lenzi | > | \ \ ___ <---mouse | ______culebro@teleport.com______ | > | \ \______/ \___________// http://www.teleport.com/~culebro | > +----\_______________________/---------------------------------------+ > I read your letter with excitement and was wondering if you would sell or share copies of your Orbital video, I will pay the going rate. Please respond to (fanno@rohan.sdsu.edu) thanks Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: derrien@club-internet.fr (Jean Christophe Derrien) Subject: Intro music Date: 16 Jul 1996 23:51:13 +0200 (MET DST) The sample in the live intro is taken from "You only live twice" (James Bond, John Barry) not from goldeneye (at least, in the Paris set). JC From Paris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: Re: halcyon mix Date: 16 Jul 1996 22:07:06 EDT Re: The person with the video for Halcyon+ On + On... I am very interested in obtaining a copy of that. If you're willing to try to work something out, please let me know.. -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Osborn Subject: Tapes of The Current Tour Date: 16 Jul 1996 22:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Just wondering if anybody out there knew of a recording one could obtain of their current tour (i want the set on tape dammit) Because the intro rocked, the messed up satan was a party, and the halcyon was cool to. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fanno Subject: Re: Organic '96 Date: 16 Jul 1996 12:12:41 -0700 (PDT) On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Lazlo Nibble wrote: > > I'm really mad right now because I would have taped Orbital's set if I > > knew it was going to be broadcast live. I want a live tape and that > > would be the easiest way to get one! > > >From the number of video cameras I saw in the crowd I would gather there > were probably dozens of people with DATs as well. All we have to do is get > them to fess up. :-) > > -- > ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: noctum Subject: orbital orbital Date: 16 Jul 1996 23:01:28 -0500 i just went out and orbital orbital once again.. this is bringing back some good memories :) "there is the theory of the moebius..." i just thought i would share my feelings with everyone and i wanna see orbital live!!! latez [noctum] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete Ashdown Subject: Re: Organic '96 Date: 17 Jul 1996 12:26:57 -0600 (MDT) attribution lost: >>From the number of video cameras I saw in the crowd I would gather there >> were probably dozens of people with DATs as well. All we have to do is get >> them to fess up. :-) I am the only person who can't bear listening to a bootlegged recording taped via the perspective of someone's shirt pocket? This is a bigger reason for banning bootlegs rather than the copyright issue. What we need is a board master recording on a videodisc of the visuals, sold by the label. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: XENOPHON Subject: Re: My two cents on the Orbital show Date: 17 Jul 1996 11:35:52 -0700 (PDT) I originally sent this to the Orb list I'm on. Since I just subscribed to this list and everyone is talking about the shows where they were, I decided to send this to this group as well. By the way, Was anyone else at the Portland show? I want to know what song they were playing with the multimedia display of Annihilation on the screen and such. It reminds me of "Out there Somewhere". What was the opening track? The one with the display of Dreamtime? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Xenophon ---------- Forwarded message ---------- OK, we've been on an Orbital tangent lately, so I decided to give my final comments. I saw them last night and it was absolutely incredible! Started off with one I didn't recognize, Lush was in there somewhere, a buttkicking version of Satan. Came back in the encore and played the complete Impact USA (the earth is burning diversion), and the Halcyon spoken of earlier (the one mixed with "Heaven is a Place on Earth"), and a few that I didn't recognize that shook the hell out of the place. All in all, if you have a chance to see them, do! Vapour Space, the opening act was ok. Not too bad for a loop guru. If it wasn't for the light show, he would have sucked mightily. Not because the music was bad, but because he just sat in a corner and flipped switches. Not very entertaining at a concert. Heavy Cabaret Voltaire influence, I thought. One piece even reminded me of "Bolero". Xenophon Sex on the Flag Techno Show 88.7FM KBVR Corvallis ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Tolva Subject: Re: Orbital @ The masquerade Date: 17 Jul 1996 16:12:47 -0500 Hi everybody. >Okay, just (well, a coupla days ago) got back from the Atlanta show, and >was wondering what the others who were lucky enough to be there >thought.. Also, I'm looking for a bit of help with the setlist. I thought the show was totally first-rate too. Actually, I got to speak with the brothers (and Mark Gage -- bonus) after the show as part of a webcasting event that was rather hastily arranged by Apple Computer. Parts of the interview and images from the show will be up on the Web starting July 19 at http://live.apple.com/atlanta96/ (There's nothing there right now, though.) I loved the red laser side-mounted on Phil's headlights! He said that he put it there so he could look like Jean-Luc Picard after he had been Borged. Here's the set list that I came up with. I made up silly acronyms during the show to remember it. Out There Somewhere? Choice Lush 3-1, 3-2 The Girl with the Sun in Her Head Dwr Budr The Box (second part of single, second part of album-version) P.E.T.R.O.L. Satan Halcyon Forever -- encore -- Chime Impact USA Hope that's useful. John ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.mindspring.com/~jntolva/ (web) jntolva@mindspring.com (net) (404) 250-0813 (vox) (404) 252-1230 (fax) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Osborn Subject: Re: Organic '96 Date: 17 Jul 1996 18:52:36 -0400 (EDT) > >>From the number of video cameras I saw in the crowd I would gather there > >> were probably dozens of people with DATs as well. All we have to do is get > >> them to fess up. :-) > > I am the only person who can't bear listening to a bootlegged recording taped > via the perspective of someone's shirt pocket? This is a bigger reason for > banning bootlegs rather than the copyright issue. > > What we need is a board master recording on a videodisc of the visuals, sold > by the label. > Right, who's got one, i'd pay upto $20 for it easy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Plump Subject: Re: My two cents on the Orbital show Date: 17 Jul 1996 14:48:25 -0700 (PDT) On Wed, 17 Jul 1996, XENOPHON wrote: > decided to send this to this group as well. By the way, Was anyone else > at the Portland show? I was! > I want to know what song they were playing with > the multimedia display of Annihilation on the screen and such. It That was "Choice". Track 9 from the green disc. orbital@teleport.com sprays his llamas with a new all-purpose cleanser. "If you absolutely HAVE to eat that, maybe you should at least fry it!" --Joe Dietz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Parminder Basran Subject: Re: Time tourist Date: 17 Jul 1996 16:35:42 -0600 (MDT) Attn: those orbitally inclined... -Has anybody listened to a non-vox group called "Time Tourist"? -My friend makes it out to be the best thing since sliced bread...although we both have (mildly) differing culinary preferences. He likes jungle & where I like to kick back a little... -Reply personally if you wish. Parminder pbasran@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "There ain't no answer. There ain't gonna be any answer. There never has been an answer. There's the answer." -Gertrude Stein ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Hopkins Subject: Re: Time tourist Date: 18 Jul 1996 12:13 BST At 16:35 17/07/96 -0600, you wrote: > > Attn: those orbitally inclined... > > -Has anybody listened to a non-vox group called "Time Tourist"? > > -My friend makes it out to be the best thing since sliced > bread...although we both have (mildly) differing culinary > preferences. He likes jungle & where I like to kick back a > little... > > -Reply personally if you wish. > > Parminder > pbasran@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca > > "There ain't no answer. There ain't gonna be any answer. > There never has been an answer. There's the answer." > -Gertrude Stein > This is probably the techno outfit by the name of B12...their last album on Warp was called Time Tourist. Minimalist Detroit techno style I'm lead to believe but haven't heard it myself. Drop me a line with your thoughts on it if you do track it.... try this URL: http://www.warp-net.com/warp/albums/a37.html Cheers Rich ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Hopkins Subject: Re: Time tourist Date: 18 Jul 1996 12:13 BST At 16:35 17/07/96 -0600, you wrote: > > Attn: those orbitally inclined... > > -Has anybody listened to a non-vox group called "Time Tourist"? > > -My friend makes it out to be the best thing since sliced > bread...although we both have (mildly) differing culinary > preferences. He likes jungle & where I like to kick back a > little... > > -Reply personally if you wish. > > Parminder > pbasran@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca > > "There ain't no answer. There ain't gonna be any answer. > There never has been an answer. There's the answer." > -Gertrude Stein > This is probably the techno outfit by the name of B12...their last album on Warp was called Time Tourist. Minimalist Detroit techno style I'm lead to believe but haven't heard it myself. Drop me a line with your thoughts on it if you do track it.... try this URL: http://www.warp-net.com/warp/albums/a37.html Cheers Rich ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Polisky Subject: RE: Orbital in a movie commercial? Date: 18 Jul 1996 11:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Orbital was in the movie Kiss of Death that starred David Carusso. I also saw a Real Sex episode on HBO that played orbital. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete Ashdown Subject: Re: Orbital in a movie commercial? Date: 18 Jul 1996 12:48:28 -0600 (MDT) Michael Polisky said once upon a time: >Orbital was in the movie Kiss of Death that starred David Carusso. I >also saw a Real Sex episode on HBO that played orbital. Who were the actors playing Orbital? In the latter, were they butt naked? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:Re: halcyon mix Date: 19 Jul 1996 9:40:42 BST The video package BTW (there are only 1000 in circulation). They were used for promoting Orbital playing live. Do they need to promote them ? Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine. ----------------------[Reply - Original Message]---------------------- Sent by:gandalf@wnc.com Re: The person with the video for Halcyon+ On + On... I am very interested in obtaining a copy of that. If you're willing to try to work something out, please let me know.. -G ===================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neil Muir" Subject: Re[2]: My two cents on the Orbital show Date: 19 Jul 1996 09:30:13 You wrote : > I want to know what song they were playing with > the multimedia display of Annihilation on the screen and such. It That was "Choice". Track 9 from the green disc. Is that on an american copy of the green album , as it is not on the u.k. version Captain Chemist ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Naylor Subject: Underworld/Orbital Video Links Date: 19 Jul 1996 09:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Dear all, It's only a minor point, but has anyone else noticed how in the Born Slippy video by Underworld (back on our screens now in the UK), Karl Hyde mouths "I Love You" at the camera in slow motion in much the same way that Tilda Swinton does in The Box video - or is it only me that gets himself worked up about such trivia? See you in Surrey on August 3rd!!! Ed Naylor Bursar's Office Liverpool John Moores University ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hallvard.Muller@ecsoft.no Subject: re:Re: halcyon mix Date: 19 Jul 1996 12:16:42 +0200 Me too! Me too! hallvard.muller@ecsoft.no ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:Re[2]: My two cents on the Orbital show Date: 19 Jul 1996 11:16:23 BST >Is that on an american copy of the green album , as it is not on the u.k. >version Its was on the Yellow/Green album of the American release. The original version did not inclucde Choice as it was released as a single first. Cheers Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neil Muir" Subject: Good Stuff Date: 18 Jul 1996 14:27:46 Just signed up for this mailing list lark and i must say it's good stuff . It really helps me through my day at my job . Orbital top stuff , favorite tune , belfast or impact . Have got C.D. of live Orbital at Glastonbury 1994 if anyone is interested ? Also anyone into Black Dog , Underworld etc........ Captain Chemist (ICI) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fanno Subject: re:Re: halcyon mix Date: 19 Jul 1996 11:47:45 -0700 (PDT) On Fri, 19 Jul 1996 steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk wrote: > The video package BTW (there are only 1000 in circulation). > They were used for promoting Orbital playing live. > Do they need to promote them ? > > Steve LOOPZ Price > Orbital Zine. > > ----------------------[Reply - Original Message]---------------------- > > Sent by:gandalf@wnc.com > Re: The person with the video for Halcyon+ On + On... > > I am very interested in obtaining a copy of that. If you're willing to > try to work something out, please let me know.. > -G > > ===================================================================== > I too am very interested in obtaining a copy of the video, can we work something out, please? I can be reached at e-mail (fanno@rohan.sdsu.edu), if I can purchase a copy somehow my life would almost be complete. Fanno in San Diego ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: XENOPHON Subject: re:Tapes of The Current Tour Date: 19 Jul 1996 22:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Hey! Is it just me, or are there others out there that would rather have one good bootleg tape of the live show than all of their studio albums. I find that after having the live experience, the studio versions are sorely lacking the intensity of the live versions. I agree; the Satan at the concert ruled as did the rest of the show. Also, on a different tangent, did I read correctly? Another tour this fall? Or is this just a continuation of the current tour? I would love to see them again! So let us know - is a bootleg of this tour (decent quality please - I also hate "bootlegs from the perspective of someone's pocket") going to be released on CD anytime this millenia? That would be a CD that I would very much like to aquire. Xenophon. On Fri, 19 Jul 1996 steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk wrote: > I have a few tapes of this tour. A couple from America and a couple from > Britain. Im after trades. > > Shout me at my email address (not here!) > > Cheers > Steve LOOPZ Price > Orbital Zine. > > ----------------------[Reply - Original Message]---------------------- > > Sent by:Eric Osborn > Just wondering if anybody out there knew of a recording one could obtain > of their current tour (i want the set on tape dammit) > > Because the intro rocked, the messed up satan was a party, and the > halcyon was cool to. > > > ===================================================================== > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shaunr@juno.com (Shaun D Rader) Subject: Re: Tapes of The Current Tour Date: 20 Jul 1996 02:13:37 PST On Fri, 19 Jul 1996 22:19:30 -0700 (PDT) XENOPHON writes: >Hey! >Is it just me, or are there others out there that would rather have >one >good bootleg tape of the live show than all of their studio albums. I The older stuff may sound better live, but I think "In Sides" has a great sound to it. It sounds clear, the bass is powerful and tight at times. Many of the beautiful intros are cut out from "In Sides" on the tour too. I would definitely take the studio versions over the live (except for the early stuff like Satan, Choice, etc.). Shaun Rader ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shaunr@juno.com (Shaun D Rader) Subject: Re: Good Stuff Date: 20 Jul 1996 02:26:57 PST On Thu, 18 Jul 96 14:27:46 "Neil Muir" writes: > Have got C.D. of live Orbital at Glastonbury 1994 if >anyone > is interested ? Where did you get this CD? What's the quality like? I'd like to buy a bootleg of a show if the sound quality is good. Shaun Rader ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shaunr@juno.com (Shaun D Rader) Subject: Limited Boxed "In Sides" Date: 20 Jul 1996 02:31:53 PST I took my U.S. copy of "In Sides" to a Price Club store and tried the CD in a car stereo with a CD Player (was shopping for one) and the thing ate up my CD. It never ejected it. There is a worker there who took my number down and said he would call me when they got it out. He didn't call tonight, I don't think he will. He might not have gotten it out, or he took it out, listened to it, and kept it. Here's the question, this is my favorite CD (out of a collection of about 100 CDs) and I wanted to know if the limited boxed edition was worth buying as an import for me. Since I probably have to replace the CD, is it worth buying the limited edition just for the package? Is the limited box edition still available? I never really found out what was in that box. The box looks big enough to hold two CDs. Is the U.S. cover inside the striped box? I really have no idea... Shaun Rader ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scgm Subject: Re: Good Stuff Date: 20 Jul 1996 06:45:27 -0400 Neil Muir wrote: > Have got C.D. of live Orbital at Glastonbury 1994 if anyone > is interested ? > Neil YES PLEASE!!!!!! I am Very Interested in a CD of Live Orbital And yes I like UnderWorld too Steve -- "Peace or annihilation, it's your choice..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: XENOPHON Subject: Re: Limited Boxed "In Sides" Date: 20 Jul 1996 07:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Are you talking about the limited edition US 2disc Insides or UK? The US limited edition 2disc set has the extra disc with the Box Ep and another Ep on it (I just bought it two days ago, so forgive my lack of memory. I think it is called Times Fly?) Here in the states it's easily availible. I bought mine at Fred Meyer for $13 US. Xenophon PS: Bummer! I guess next time I shop for a CD player, I'll bring a crappy disc! Good luck. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: XENOPHON Subject: Re: Good Stuff Date: 20 Jul 1996 07:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Yeah! Me too! Xenophon On Sat, 20 Jul 1996, Shaun D Rader wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Jul 96 14:27:46 "Neil Muir" > writes: > > > Have got C.D. of live Orbital at Glastonbury 1994 if > >anyone > > is interested ? > > Where did you get this CD? What's the quality like? I'd like to buy a > bootleg of a show if the sound quality is good. > > Shaun Rader > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kgraham@oberon.ark.com (Cathedral Onion Productions) Subject: Re: Good Stuff Date: 20 Jul 1996 09:26:35 -0700 YES PLEASE......... J. >Neil Muir wrote: > >> Have got C.D. of live Orbital at Glastonbury 1994 if anyone >> is interested ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:Re: halcyon mix Date: 20 Jul 1996 20:55:34 BST Its only about 12 minutes long! Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine. ----------------------[Reply - Original Message]---------------------- Sent by:fanno On Fri, 19 Jul 1996 steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk wrote: > The video package BTW (there are only 1000 in circulation). > They were used for promoting Orbital playing live. > Do they need to promote them ? > > Steve LOOPZ Price > Orbital Zine. > > ----------------------[Reply - Original Message]---------------------- > > Sent by:gandalf@wnc.com > Re: The person with the video for Halcyon+ On + On... > > I am very interested in obtaining a copy of that. If you're willing to > try to work something out, please let me know.. > -G > > ===================================================================== > I too am very interested in obtaining a copy of the video, can we work something out, please? I can be reached at e-mail (fanno@rohan.sdsu.edu), if I can purchase a copy somehow my life would almost be complete. Fanno in San Diego ===================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:Tapes of The Current Tour Date: 20 Jul 1996 20:59:40 BST Ive spoke to their Manager on a numerous of occasions about a live CD, but there is a lack of interest there (from the manager that is). He did say if they did it, it would be mail order only and limited. But no news as yet. Im considering converting my live stuff to CD but obviously i cannot sell the CD , they would chop my nuts off! How about a petition (sp). ? Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine ----------------------[Reply - Original Message]---------------------- Sent by:XENOPHON Hey! Is it just me, or are there others out there that would rather have one good bootleg tape of the live show than all of their studio albums. I find that after having the live experience, the studio versions are sorely lacking the intensity of the live versions. I agree; the Satan at the concert ruled as did the rest of the show. Also, on a different tangent, did I read correctly? Another tour this fall? Or is this just a continuation of the current tour? I would love to see them again! So let us know - is a bootleg of this tour (decent quality please - I also hate "bootlegs from the perspective of someone's pocket") going to be released on CD anytime this millenia? That would be a CD that I would very much like to aquire. Xenophon. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: XENOPHON Subject: re:Tapes of The Current Tour Date: 20 Jul 1996 22:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Good idea. Tell me where to sign. I really would like a decent live CD. By the way, is this Orbital Zine online or something? Tell me more about it. Xenophon On Sat, 20 Jul 1996 steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk wrote: > Ive spoke to their Manager on a numerous of occasions about a live CD, but > there is a lack of interest there (from the manager that is). > He did say if they did it, it would be mail order only and limited. > But no news as yet. > > Im considering converting my live stuff to CD but obviously i cannot sell > the CD , they would chop my nuts off! > > How about a petition (sp). ? > > Steve LOOPZ Price > Orbital Zine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shaunr@juno.com (Shaun D Rader) Subject: Re: Limited Boxed "In Sides" Date: 20 Jul 1996 23:29:51 PST Xenophon, I was asking about the UK version. I've seen it in the store and the package is just a cardboard box with blue (blue and dark blue??) diagonal stripes all over it. The box is as big as two CD cases. The normal cover we see of "In Sides" is not on the outside. It looks rather interesting when you see it in the store (only saw it once as an import). It catches your eye because of how plain it looks, if that makes any sense. BTW, I got my CD back today. Also, I think "In Sides" is a rare CD in Southern California. I have been to 3 Wherehouse's, 2 Best Buy's, 1 Tower Records, 1 Sam Goody, and 1 Blockbuster Music and have only been able to find it at Rhino Records. I find it sad, considering how great this CD is. One more note, I go to Rhino Records a lot and have seen them go through at least 12 copies of "In Sides". They've ordered it about 3 times and have sold out each time. They recently raised the price from $13.99 to $14.99. Seems quite popular... Shaun Rader ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: larsonaj@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Subject: Re: Limited Boxed "In Sides" Date: 21 Jul 1996 02:53:37 -0500 (EST) I have the limited UK box edition of 'in sides' The only thing special about it is the nice little box it comes in... get the limited us version... hope you get your cd back! -Andy > 100 CDs) and I wanted to know if the limited boxed edition was worth > buying as an import for me. Since I probably have to replace the CD, is > it worth buying the limited edition just for the package? Is the limited > box edition still available? > > I never really found out what was in that box. The box looks big enough to > hold two CDs. Is the U.S. cover inside the striped box? I really have no > idea... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: broohaha@xnet.com (Al Arzaga) Subject: Re: Limited Boxed "In Sides" Date: 21 Jul 1996 10:45:49 -0500 >BTW, I got my CD back today. Also, I think "In Sides" is a rare CD in >Southern California. I have been to 3 Wherehouse's, 2 Best Buy's, 1 >Tower Records, 1 Sam Goody, and 1 Blockbuster Music and have only been >able to find it at Rhino Records. I find it sad, considering how great >this CD is. One more note, I go to Rhino Records a lot and have seen >them go through at least 12 copies of "In Sides". They've ordered it >about 3 times and have sold out each time. They recently raised the >price from $13.99 to $14.99. Seems quite popular... How odd.. Best Buy here (Chicago suburb) has about 15 copies of it in display... As does the local Tower... aL -- Alden Arzaga broohaha@xnet.com http://www.xnet.com/~broohaha "There are three types of people.... Those who can count and those who can't." - Anonymous ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: Organic '96 Date: 21 Jul 1996 13:43:38 -0600 (MDT) > What we need is a board master recording on a videodisc of the visuals, sold > by the label. I think whenever you go to a concert, you should be able to go to the souvenir booth, give 'em money, and get a CD of the show you attended in the mail a week later. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: derrien@club-internet.fr (Jean Christophe Derrien) Subject: Re: Organic '96 Date: 21 Jul 1996 23:34:22 +0200 (MET DST) >> What we need is a board master recording on a videodisc of the visuals, sold >> by the label. > >I think whenever you go to a concert, you should be able to go to the >souvenir booth, give 'em money, and get a CD of the show you attended in >the mail a week later. > >-- >::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) I'm totally agree with you. It's so strange that no artists that I know sell a special CD (live or other...) during their concerts. I'd love to have a special Orbital or Orb CD bought like that. JC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:Tapes of The Current Tour Date: 21 Jul 1996 21:41:23 BST The Zine is available by mail only (sorry!). I can give you more details if you wish. Email me privatly though (watch the bandwidth! ;) ). As regards to the CD, Im gonna keep hassling him until he either tells me ok or tells me to f@~@ off. ;) BTW "Withnail and I" - Watched it for the first time the other night.WEIRD! Cheers Steve LOOPZ Price ORbital Zine. ----------------------[Reply - Original Message]---------------------- Sent by:XENOPHON Good idea. Tell me where to sign. I really would like a decent live CD. By the way, is this Orbital Zine online or something? Tell me more about it. Xenophon On Sat, 20 Jul 1996 steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk wrote: > Ive spoke to their Manager on a numerous of occasions about a live CD, but > there is a lack of interest there (from the manager that is). > He did say if they did it, it would be mail order only and limited. > But no news as yet. > > Im considering converting my live stuff to CD but obviously i cannot sell > the CD , they would chop my nuts off! > > How about a petition (sp). ? > > Steve LOOPZ Price > Orbital Zine ===================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Wasisco - Synet Subject: Needle-Drop: Orbital and more... Date: 21 Jul 1996 20:01:07 -0500 (CDT) hey all, sorry for the spam-ish tone of the announcement... but 'ere goes... if you've checked out the site before, the 10 hour transmission has been sonically improved and edited into manageable chunks... along with a site re-design... mike =============================== Now Playing On Needle-Drop... http://www.needle-drop.com ONLINE NOW===================== ORBITAL The Hartnoll Brothers' 2 hour live set from Chicago's Metro. They just wrapped up their North American tour - if you didn't catch them live, stop by and listen to brand new tracks from the latest album, "In Sides" (London Records) and all-time classics like "Chime". SPACETIME CONTINUUM Promoting "Emit Ecaps" (Astralwerks), Spacetime Continuum opened for Orbital at the July 3rd Chicago show. Check out the transmission for a jazzy, ambient trip through the head of Jonas Sharp. ATMOSPHERIC AUDIOCHAIR Tom Pazen of this Chicago based DJ collective spins a 30 minute set designed to transcend sound itself. Waves of ambience, messages from inner-space, funky breaks.... COMING SOON===================== Exclusive previews from DOSE and HEX80 (MAGIC WOOL) EROTISHOCK'S UFO 3 - live party set from Madison, WI DROP LIVE - strait from the Needle-Drop Studio ================================ To book a live event or promote a new release, contact: Mike Wasisco mikew@needle-drop.com http://www.needle-drop.com 312-666-0987 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jesse Ozog Subject: re:Tapes of The Current Tour Date: 22 Jul 1996 00:12:05 -0400 At 09:41 PM 7/21/96 BST, steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk wrote: >The Zine is available by mail only (sorry!). I can give you more details >if you wish. Email me privatly though (watch the bandwidth! ;) ). I am quiet interested in obtaining a print magazine about Orbital. Could you give me more info on this? Thanks. >As regards to the CD, Im gonna keep hassling him until he either tells me >ok or tells me to f@~@ off. ;) I only wish I could get a tape of the Tampa Florida show. That was the most intense show I have ever been too. - -- --- ---- ----- == http://www.eng.usf.edu/~ozog == ----- ---- --- -- - I shoulda been a better friend. I shoulda stopped you. I shoulda grabbed you by the neck. I shoulda kicked you teeth in. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: XENOPHON Subject: Re: Organic '96 Date: 21 Jul 1996 22:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Preach on, Brother Lazlo! Is this at all possible? Can we make it so? Xenophon On Sun, 21 Jul 1996, Lazlo Nibble wrote: > > What we need is a board master recording on a videodisc of the visuals, sold > > by the label. > > I think whenever you go to a concert, you should be able to go to the > souvenir booth, give 'em money, and get a CD of the show you attended in > the mail a week later. > > -- > ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Geoff Elgey Subject: Availabilty of Orbital CD singles in UK Date: 22 Jul 1996 16:00:28 +1000 (EST) G'day, Can someone tell me which Orbital CD singles are still generally available in the UK? I have a brother in London at the moment and I would like him to get some Orbital stuff for me. In particular, I'm after the CD singles of Halcyon and Satan. I think that these were re-issued last year (according to Lazlo's discography). Any info muchly appreciated. Cheers, Geoff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: XENOPHON Subject: Re: Needle-Drop: Orbital and more... Date: 21 Jul 1996 23:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Hey- Did anyone else check this out? Pretty killer except for the limitations of realaudio. 2 hours of live Orbital. I read the message and had to check it out. It's worth a listen. I also figure that if they have it (2 hours of live Orbital in Chicago - Intro to Impact) then "someone" else out there has it recorded somehow! This means I WANT IT!!! I hope that this gets released. I wrote them to ask if it would be and how they got it and what they were going to do with it. If anyone else knows anything, let us know! Later, Xenophon On Sun, 21 Jul 1996, Mike Wasisco - Synet wrote: > > hey all, sorry for the spam-ish tone of the announcement... but 'ere > goes... if you've checked out the site before, the 10 hour transmission > has been sonically improved and edited into manageable chunks... along > with a site re-design... > > mike > > =============================== > > Now Playing On Needle-Drop... > http://www.needle-drop.com > > ONLINE NOW===================== > > ORBITAL > The Hartnoll Brothers' 2 hour live set from Chicago's Metro. They just > wrapped up their North American tour - if you didn't catch them live, > stop by and listen to brand new tracks from the latest album, "In Sides" > (London Records) and all-time classics like "Chime". > > SPACETIME CONTINUUM > Promoting "Emit Ecaps" (Astralwerks), Spacetime Continuum opened for > Orbital at the July 3rd Chicago show. Check out the transmission for a > jazzy, ambient trip through the head of Jonas Sharp. > > ATMOSPHERIC AUDIOCHAIR > Tom Pazen of this Chicago based DJ collective spins a 30 minute set > designed to transcend sound itself. Waves of ambience, messages from > inner-space, funky breaks.... > > COMING SOON===================== > > Exclusive previews from DOSE and HEX80 (MAGIC WOOL) > EROTISHOCK'S UFO 3 - live party set from Madison, WI > DROP LIVE - strait from the Needle-Drop Studio > > ================================ > > To book a live event or promote a new release, contact: > > Mike Wasisco > mikew@needle-drop.com > http://www.needle-drop.com > 312-666-0987 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:Availabilty of Orbital CD singles in UK Date: 22 Jul 1996 10:16:48 BST In London you can get the following:- All albums on CD, IN SIDES on all formats. Satan, Halycon, The Box, Choice/Midnight/Analogue Test90, (slight pause....thinking mode)...Diversions EP on CD (quite a few of them), quite a lot the remixes (BTTP and MBM) and of course the live CD is there. ;) Cheers Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine ----------------------[Reply - Original Message]---------------------- Sent by:Geoff Elgey G'day, Can someone tell me which Orbital CD singles are still generally available in the UK? I have a brother in London at the moment and I would like him to get some Orbital stuff for me. In particular, I'm after the CD singles of Halcyon and Satan. I think that these were re-issued last year (according to Lazlo's discography). Any info muchly appreciated. Cheers, Geoff ===================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: broohaha@xnet.com (Al Arzaga) Subject: Video of The Box Date: 22 Jul 1996 06:04:13 -0500 They played "The Box" on MTV's 120 minutes tonight. (Show aired in the US on Sunday nights...) I like it.. The song's obviously been edited down to about 4 minutes, but it was well-made. Anyone else seen the video? MTV screwed up, though, cuz they put the "Cult Classic" stamp on the upper corner of the screen when the video began.... Unless they mean to say that the song's _that_ incredible that it's now an instant classic... or something. I really liked the video, though... About a woman walking through the streets of London (?) while the rest of the world literally whizzes by... She being on a slightly slower time reference than the rest of her surroundings... My favorite scene was when she peers into this display of televisions... "There is a monster". aL -- Alden Arzaga broohaha@xnet.com http://www.xnet.com/~broohaha "There are three types of people.... Those who can count and those who can't." - Anonymous ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: broohaha@xnet.com (Al Arzaga) Subject: Re: Needle-Drop: Orbital and more... Date: 22 Jul 1996 06:14:53 -0500 >Hey- >Did anyone else check this out? Pretty killer except for the limitations >of realaudio. 2 hours of live Orbital. I read the message and had to >check it out. It's worth a listen. I also figure that if they have it >(2 hours of live Orbital in Chicago - Intro to Impact) then "someone" >else out there has it recorded somehow! This means I WANT IT!!! I hope >that this gets released. I wrote them to ask if it would be and how they >got it and what they were going to do with it. If anyone else knows >anything, let us know! > >Later, >Xenophon > Have you listened to the Real Audio feed of the Albert Hall concert provided by Orbital's official web site? I find the quality even better, although there's a minor glitch in the functionality of the real audio plugin player.... aL -- Alden Arzaga broohaha@xnet.com http://www.xnet.com/~broohaha "There are three types of people.... Those who can count and those who can't." - Anonymous ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hallvard.Muller@ecsoft.no Subject: Re: Good Stuff Date: 22 Jul 1996 14:09:39 +0200 Incredible - I was there too, you know - probably the only norwegian in that space(?). Course I'd like a copy! Other bands too - mail me! hallvard.muller@ecsoft.no _P=internet_A=telemax_C=no_D=rfc-822^orbital(a)xmission.com@X400 cc: Just signed up for this mailing list lark and i must say it's good stuff . It really helps me through my day at my job . Orbital top stuff , favorite tune , belfast or impact . Have got C.D. of live Orbital at Glastonbury 1994 if anyone is interested ? Also anyone into Black Dog , Underworld etc........ Captain Chemist (ICI) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: derrien@club-internet.fr (Jean Christophe Derrien) Subject: The Box/ The CD Rom Date: 22 Jul 1996 15:35:23 +0200 (MET DST) If you buy SVM MAC, a French magazine about Apple computers, there's a CD-ROM inside with 71Mo of Orbital Stuff, which includes : "The Box" on Quick Time A video interview of the Bros on QuickTime (no subtitles, in English) It's the July/August issue, and costs 7$. If you're interested, I can buy you a copy, we can trade with other stuffs. JC From Paris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: XENOPHON Subject: Re: Needle-Drop Date: 22 Jul 1996 07:56:21 -0700 (PDT) > > No, but thanks for pointing it out. I'll check it out! Xenophon > > Have you listened to the Real Audio feed of the Albert Hall concert > provided by Orbital's official web site? I find the quality even better, > although there's a minor glitch in the functionality of the real audio > plugin player.... > > > aL > -- > Alden Arzaga > broohaha@xnet.com > http://www.xnet.com/~broohaha > "There are three types of people.... Those who can count and those who can't." > - Anonymous > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: re:Re: halcyon mix Date: 22 Jul 1996 11:41:28 EDT OR>> OR>> Sent by:gandalf@wnc.com OR>> Re: The person with the video for Halcyon+ On + On... OR>> OR>> I am very interested in obtaining a copy of that. If you're willing to OR>> try to work something out, please let me know.. OR>> -G OR>> OR>> ===================================================================== OR>> OR>I too am very interested in obtaining a copy of the video, can we work OR>something out, please? OR>I can be reached at e-mail (fanno@rohan.sdsu.edu), if I can purchase a OR>copy somehow my life would almost be complete. OR> Fanno in San Diego I have to add a 'me too' to that, even though I said it already, and even though I am not calling through America Online. -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete Ashdown Subject: Re: The Box/ The CD Rom Date: 22 Jul 1996 11:20:36 -0600 (MDT) Jean Christophe Derrien said once upon a time: >"The Box" on Quick Time >A video interview of the Bros on QuickTime (no subtitles, in English) > >It's the July/August issue, and costs 7$. >If you're interested, I can buy you a copy, we can trade with other stuffs. I would really love to get this. What would you like in trade? I can send you the money for the disc, plus a lot of rare Orbital on tape. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: In Sides review Date: 22 Jul 1996 22:15:44 EDT In case anyone's interested, here's the Rolling Stone review of In Sides. Not sure I agree with *all* of it, but here ya go: "Orbital have always been more groove oriented than the bulk of their ambient peers. On 'In Sides', the duo has incorporated elements of trip-hop and jungle, and the result is more melancholic than the housed-out bliss of Orbital's earlier work. Blame it on brothers Phil and Paul Hortnoll's ever-expanding discontent. While their last album, 1994's 'Snivilisation', had them lashing out at a corrupt society, 'In Sides' is about more personal politics, culling inspiration from environmental issues ("P.E.T.R.O.L"), young war casualties ("Adnan's"), and a dead friend ("The Girl With the Sun in Her Head"). GIven such dire material, it's fitting that the most danceable track is a 24-minute musing on aliens and the potential escape they symbolize. A limited-edition bonus-disc includes several remixes and a 28-minute version of "The Box", a spooky, noirish epic that sounds like Orbital's hommage to Portishead. Elsewhere, it's just Orbital conjuring images and words with rhythms and sounds, and making jungle's fragmented break beat seem as graceful as the bossa nova." Well, I dunno.. Portishead's a decent band, but, nah.... -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shaunr@juno.com (Shaun D Rader) Subject: Re: In Sides review Date: 22 Jul 1996 21:41:00 PST On 22 Jul 1996 22:15:44 EDT gandalf@wnc.com writes: >trip-hop and jungle, and the result is more melancholic than the Do people consider Orbital trip-hop and jungle? I'm not really familiar with the terms, but I got the impression that Chemical Brothers were trip-hop. Orbital sounds nothing like that. Jungle.. not sure they sound like that either. I don't think you can put "In Sides" into a category, why would you want to? Shaun Rader ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: broohaha@xnet.com (Al Arzaga) Subject: trip hop (was Re: In Sides review) Date: 23 Jul 1996 00:15:31 -0500 >On 22 Jul 1996 22:15:44 EDT gandalf@wnc.com writes: > >>trip-hop and jungle, and the result is more melancholic than the > >Do people consider Orbital trip-hop and jungle? I'm not really familiar >with the terms, but I got the impression that Chemical Brothers were >trip-hop. Woaw. That's different from my impression of that category.. Thought trip hop was something smoother, like Tricky's _Maxinquaye_ album.. Or some of them trippy remixes of Portishead's music... aL -- Alden Arzaga broohaha@xnet.com http://www.xnet.com/~broohaha "There are three types of people.... Those who can count and those who can't." - Anonymous ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:Video of The Box Date: 23 Jul 1996 16:13:21 BST >About a woman walking through the streets of London (?) Certainly was..not a million miles away from Liverpool Street (which is not a million miles away from the Strongroom). Steve "LOOPZ" Price Orbital Zine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fanno Subject: Re: Video of The Box Date: 23 Jul 1996 11:42:25 -0700 (PDT) On Mon, 22 Jul 1996, Al Arzaga wrote: > They played "The Box" on MTV's 120 minutes tonight. > (Show aired in the US on Sunday nights...) > > I like it.. The song's obviously been edited down to about 4 minutes, but > it was well-made. Anyone else seen the video? > > > MTV screwed up, though, cuz they put > the "Cult Classic" stamp on the upper > corner of the screen when the video began.... > Unless they mean to say that the song's _that_ > incredible that it's now an instant classic... > or something. > > I really liked the video, though... > About a woman walking through the streets of London (?) > while the rest of the world literally whizzes by... She > being on a slightly slower time reference than the rest of her > surroundings... > > My favorite scene was when she peers into this display of > televisions... "There is a monster". > > > > aL > -- > Alden Arzaga > broohaha@xnet.com > http://www.xnet.com/~broohaha > "There are three types of people.... Those who can count and those who can't." > - Anonymous > > Yes, I too did watch the Box video, and thoroughly enjoyed it as well. In fact I managed to to tape it as well, minus a few seconds at the start. I really like the part when the despondant looking woman stares into the television screens and one flashes the image 'remember earth clearly'. Did anyone note that several images in that scene were also shown at their live gig. I also really enjoyed the interview with Electronic (Bernard Sumner and Johnny Marr), the new album Raise the Pressure is really quite good, after more listening it may even approach Orbital status. Can anyone imagine an Orbital/Electronic tour? I must be dreaming. Out There Somewhere- Fanno :-) "That which cannot be rationalized in man, must be expressed" - Unknown author, but I heard it from a Jazz, History and Develoment professor. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: In Sides review Date: 23 Jul 1996 16:38:36 EDT Oh, yeah, it got 3 out of 5 stars. Bah. Humbug. -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Danger Chen Subject: other good bands? Date: 23 Jul 1996 16:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Hi all, I just joined the list yesterday. I was wondering if there's other bands you could recommend me like Orbital. I also like what I've heard from Aphex Twin and the Orb. I don't know much about the scene and I dread buying a CD that I haven't heard of before, and unfortunately up here in Portland I don't know anyone who can help me out. Basically, I find that Orbital is beaty yet at the same time has an human element to it that I don't hear in a lot of other stuff that's stuck in the Techno section of my music stores. Most of that stuff is just your regular rave/dance music - repititious to the point of boredom. I like the Orb but find most of it too slow for my taste. thanks in advance, mark PS perhaps there's a faq that I don't know about? Mark Chen - Multimedia Guy | 1-503-777-7297 gchen@reed.edu Reed College - CIS | QTVR scenes of Reed and other cool stuff: Portland, OR 97202 | http://www.reed.edu/~gchen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Geoff Elgey Subject: Ordering Orbital CD's Date: 24 Jul 1996 10:46:21 +1000 (EST) G'day, Previously I posted regarding which Orbital CD singles are still available in London, and received many helpful responses. To those respondants, I send a big thank-you. Originally, I was going to get my brother to fetch thses items for me, since he is currently in London. But he is leaving by the end of this week, so it is too late to arrange anything with him. So I was wondering: are there any London/UK record stores or companies that do mail orders? Specifically, I am after the singles that were re-released by Internal records last year: "Midnight/Choice", "Satan/Belfast", and "Radiccio". Can someone recommend a reliable / cheap / efficient store to do business with? Any help greatly appreciated, Geoff. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neil Muir" Subject: Re: In Sides review Date: 24 Jul 1996 10:30:03 Rolling Stone = Bag o' Shite .. The Guy that wrote the review probably doesn't know his arse from his elbow.... Neil ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neil Muir" Subject: Good Stuff 2 Date: 24 Jul 1996 10:29:52 Sorry about the delay in replying but my e-mail at work is so slow , i only get your messages once a week . The C.d. in question of orbital live at glastonbury is called Serious Road Trip It's a triple c.d. with the third c.d. containing the orbital set . The first two c.d.'s have things on them like The orb , spooky , drum club , system 7 , lionrock , pressure of speech .etc......... I got a hold of my copy from the melody maker magazine which ran an offer to by it . It was also out in the shops here in the u.k. Uncertain if you can still buy it from shops but write to melody maker for help . The quality is magic , as it was probably recorded by the sound engineers or BBC Radio One . Neil ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neil Muir" Subject: Good Stuff 2 Date: 24 Jul 1996 10:29:52 Sorry about the delay in replying but my e-mail at work is so slow , i only get your messages once a week . The C.d. in question of orbital live at glastonbury is called Serious Road Trip It's a triple c.d. with the third c.d. containing the orbital set . The first two c.d.'s have things on them like The orb , spooky , drum club , system 7 , lionrock , pressure of speech .etc......... I got a hold of my copy from the melody maker magazine which ran an offer to by it . It was also out in the shops here in the u.k. Uncertain if you can still buy it from shops but write to melody maker for help . The quality is magic , as it was probably recorded by the sound engineers or BBC Radio One . Neil ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick Jeffs " Subject: Soundtracks Date: 24 Jul 1996 12:43:59 GMT0BST I went to see mission impossible last night and in a trailer of a film called BOYS I heard an orbital song (can't remember now but I think it was attached or midnight). I turned to a mate of mine and said "..That's orbital that is...", then some credits flashed up and along with a few other bands (Del Amitri is all I recall) was a band called ORBIT (??!). I think something got lost in the translation somewhere. ..Also, could you add my name to the live CD petition.. Nick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Renee Baker" Subject: Re: Soundtracks Date: 24 Jul 1996 07:42:45 -0700 There is a group called Orbit here in the US (don't know where they're from). They're right in there with ORB, William Orbit and our fave, Orbital. PS: Hi Nick! _______________________________________________________________________________ I went to see mission impossible last night and in a trailer of a film called BOYS I heard an orbital song (can't remember now but I think it was attached or midnight). I turned to a mate of mine and said "..That's orbital that is...", then some credits flashed up and along with a few other bands (Del Amitri is all I recall) was a band called ORBIT (??!). I think something got lost in the translation somewhere. ..Also, could you add my name to the live CD petition.. Nick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: broohaha@xnet.com (Al Arzaga) Subject: Re: Good Stuff 2 Date: 24 Jul 1996 10:04:20 -0500 > > > Sorry about the delay in replying but my e-mail at work is so slow , i > only get your messages once a week . > > The C.d. in question of orbital live at glastonbury is called > > Serious Road Trip > Now, this isn't the one that was issued in '94, is it? This is something new that came out in recent months, I take it? aL -- Alden Arzaga broohaha@xnet.com http://www.xnet.com/~broohaha "There are three types of people.... Those who can count and those who can't." - Anonymous ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Good Stuff 2 Date: 24 Jul 1996 11:32:46 -0600 (MDT) > The C.d. in question of orbital live at glastonbury is called > Serious Road Trip > It's a triple c.d. with the third c.d. containing the orbital set . Calling this a "set" is stretching things quite a bit. The only Orbital track on the disc is the version of "Impact" they performed at Glasto '94, and it's mislabeled to boot (the disc calls it "Remind"). -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dennis morales jr Subject: Tour of the US? Date: 24 Jul 1996 14:40:31 -0400 (EDT) after much time off this list, i have finally returned, so i hope im not treading on 'well treaded' territory... does anyone know if Orbital touring the US and/or north america has any kind of validity to it or not? and if so, the cities and dates would be excellent. if i miss an orbital concert that floats semi-close to here, i will shoot myself. there is no need to miss a concert of this magnatude because of ignorance, eh? later on and on and on. ___________________________________________________________ dennis morales jr dfish@havoc.gtf.gatech.edu Dreamhouse - http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/dfish/dreamhouse ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: Soundtracks Date: 24 Jul 1996 15:38:40 EDT OR>I went to see mission impossible last night and in a trailer of a OR>film called BOYS I heard an orbital song (can't remember now but I OR>think it was attached or midnight). I turned to a mate of mine and OR>said OR> "..That's orbital that is...", OR> then some credits flashed up and along with a few other bands (Del OR>Amitri is all I recall) was a band called ORBIT (??!). I think orbit would be William Orbit, most likely. -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: Good Stuff 2 Date: 24 Jul 1996 15:37:42 EDT Umm, where can I write to melody maker? -G OR> OR> Sorry about the delay in replying but my e-mail at work is so slow , i OR> only get your messages once a week . OR> OR> The C.d. in question of orbital live at glastonbury is called OR> OR> Serious Road Trip OR> OR> It's a triple c.d. with the third c.d. containing the orbital set . OR> OR> The first two c.d.'s have things on them like OR> OR> The orb , spooky , drum club , system 7 , lionrock , pressure of OR> speech .etc......... OR> OR> I got a hold of my copy from the melody maker magazine which ran an OR> offer to by it . It was also out in the shops here in the u.k. OR> OR> Uncertain if you can still buy it from shops but write to melody OR> maker for help . OR> OR> The quality is magic , as it was probably recorded by the sound OR> engineers or BBC Radio One . OR> OR> Neil OR> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sean Hussey Subject: Re: Tour of the US? Date: 24 Jul 1996 15:59:14 +0000 I'd say that has a lot of validity since I saw them a couple weeks ago in Boston. :) I don't know any dates, though. Sean At 02:40 PM 7/24/96 -0400, you wrote: >after much time off this list, i have finally returned, so i hope im not >treading on 'well treaded' territory... > >does anyone know if Orbital touring the US and/or north america has any >kind of validity to it or not? and if so, the cities and dates would be >excellent. if i miss an orbital concert that floats semi-close to here, >i will shoot myself. there is no need to miss a concert of this >magnatude because of ignorance, eh? > >later on and on and on. > >___________________________________________________________ > dennis morales jr dfish@havoc.gtf.gatech.edu > Dreamhouse - http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/dfish/dreamhouse > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peloazul Subject: Re: Tour of the US? Date: 24 Jul 1996 17:05:34 -0400 (EDT) > does anyone know if Orbital touring the US and/or north america has any > kind of validity to it or not? and if so, the cities and dates would be > excellent. if i miss an orbital concert that floats semi-close to here, > i will shoot myself. there is no need to miss a concert of this > magnatude because of ignorance, eh? are you sitting down... ok. they played in atlanta on the 10th of july. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tabbs@blackbox.at (Thomas Taborsky) Subject: Re: Video of The Box Date: 22 Jul 1996 16:44:11 +0200 We in Europe are fairly being run over by airings of this "Box"-Video. Particularly in our viewer request-broadcast "Select MTV" (weekdays 15:00 GMT) it is requested rather often, although the video's great time was about 4 weeks ago, when it was shown five times a day. The scene I like most is the woman kneeing down in front of a wall, watching a plant moving. Tabbs --- OffRoad 1.9i unregistered ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Shiple" Subject: Re: Soundtracks Date: 24 Jul 1996 14:11:22 -0700 The movie preview was Supercop I believe, at least the one I saw...and it was indeed Orbital...didn't see the credits for the preview though -=John On Jul 24, 3:38pm, gandalf@wnc.com wrote: > Subject: Soundtracks _ OR>I went to see mission impossible last night and in a trailer of a _ OR>film called BOYS I heard an orbital song (can't remember now but I _ OR>think it was attached or midnight). I turned to a mate of mine and _ OR>said _ _ OR> "..That's orbital that is...", _ _ OR> then some credits flashed up and along with a few other bands (Del _ OR>Amitri is all I recall) was a band called ORBIT (??!). _ _ I think orbit would be William Orbit, most likely. _ -G >-- End of excerpt from gandalf@wnc.com -- /-> John Shiple Interface Designer Construct Internet Design squishy@construct.net http://www.construct.net/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: broohaha@xnet.com (Al Arzaga) Subject: trip hop (was Re: In Sides review) Date: 23 Jul 1996 00:15:31 -0500 >On 22 Jul 1996 22:15:44 EDT gandalf@wnc.com writes: > >>trip-hop and jungle, and the result is more melancholic than the > >Do people consider Orbital trip-hop and jungle? I'm not really familiar >with the terms, but I got the impression that Chemical Brothers were >trip-hop. Woaw. That's different from my impression of that category.. Thought trip hop was something smoother, like Tricky's _Maxinquaye_ album.. Or some of them trippy remixes of Portishead's music... aL -- Alden Arzaga broohaha@xnet.com http://www.xnet.com/~broohaha "There are three types of people.... Those who can count and those who can't." - Anonymous ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bigsixty@aol.com Subject: The Serious Road Trip Date: 24 Jul 1996 18:31:40 -0400 Live "techno" is incredible. I have seen a lot of really good acts, like Orbital, ORB, Cosmic Baby, Prodigy, And Rabbit in the Moon. Wow. It is always cooler, but unfortunately a live CD does not ever do the show justice. I do so wish to have them all on CD, and with the price of CDR equipment down incredibly low, it needs to happen more often, with the approval of the group of course. I also wanted to throw in the fact that I have the CD, The Serious Road Trip, and it has a 12 min. live from Glastonbury Orbital Remind mix. It is so damn cool, but every time I listen to it, I just want more. It is on a CD all by itself. I don't understand what they were thinking when they stopped the next track before it kicks in. Ouch... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony Bryan Subject: Orbital article in Details Date: 24 Jul 1996 19:30:58 -0400 (EDT) This has probably been mentioned, but I didn't notice it so: Phil & Paul have an article in the august issue of Details, the one w/ Ben Stiller on the cover, & it's about making music. Anthony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RonHHodges@aol.com Subject: Re: In Sides review Date: 24 Jul 1996 19:54:00 -0400 Yeah, I read that too. Amazing the labels some of these jerks come up with to describe the music. "Ambient"? "Housed-out bliss"? And *Portishead*? Normally, I'd say I'd like some of what that guy was smoking, except in this case it obviously makes you stupid. Ron Hodges http://members.tripod.com/~Ron_Hodges/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Plump Subject: Re: Tour of the US? Date: 24 Jul 1996 22:09:51 -0700 (PDT) On Wed, 24 Jul 1996, dennis morales jr wrote: > if i miss an orbital concert that floats semi-close to here, > i will shoot myself. Do you already have a gun, or would you like a list of dealers in your area? orbital@teleport.com sprays his llamas with a new all-purpose cleanser. "If you absolutely HAVE to eat that, maybe you should at least fry it!" --Joe Dietz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bigsixty@aol.com Subject: Re: other good bands? Date: 25 Jul 1996 01:42:16 -0400 I love responding to this question, but I love music so much that I have a hard time narrowing my selection to those I want everybody to hear. Here are my must have favorite bands (if you have tons of money, or just want some more recommended listening, get back to me) : Orbital (I know you know that, but I have to say it) ORB Prodigy Future Sound of London (even slower than ORB sometimes) Moby Rabbit in the Moon/LunaSol Moby Spicelab T-Power ** Goldie ** Aphex Twin Symbiosis (fairly new I think...) Everything But The Girl (Walking Wounded album - fabulous) ** jungle - if what you listen to is too slow, try some jungle... That is my top 10 list. Yeah I have 13 top 10 bands. So what? I would buy new albums from those groups on debut day or earlier if possible... Enjoy - Tyler - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hallvard.Muller@ecsoft.no Subject: Re: other good bands? Date: 25 Jul 1996 08:34:28 +0200 You simply MUST check out Fluke and Underworld, oh, and Chemical Brothers if you like the grooves REALLY heavy (whoever described them TripHop?) and of course Leftfield, but I suppose you know them already. There you go - 4 premier league names in one mail - not bad? Hallvard ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: flip@chickasaw.com Subject: Re: other good bands? Date: 25 Jul 1996 03:02:37 -0500 Hey, I too, am new to the scene, and living in Oklahoma doesn't help much either. We don't even have a "techno" or "imports" section in music stores (rock alternative's big around here), so I have to order CD's. I was wondering if anyone could tape off a few samples of some of the more popular bands, so we "newbies" could decide for ourselves what's good. I am definately willing for pay for one. Let me know. flip >Hi all, >I just joined the list yesterday. >I was wondering if there's other bands you could recommend me like >Orbital. I also like what I've heard from Aphex Twin and the Orb. >I don't know much about the scene and I dread buying a CD that I haven't >heard of before, and unfortunately up here in Portland I don't know >anyone who can help me out. >Basically, I find that Orbital is beaty yet at the same time has an human >element to it that I don't hear in a lot of other stuff that's stuck in >the Techno section of my music stores. Most of that stuff is just your >regular rave/dance music - repititious to the point of boredom. >I like the Orb but find most of it too slow for my taste. > >thanks in advance, >mark > >PS perhaps there's a faq that I don't know about? > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark Chen - Multimedia Guy | 1-503-777-7297 gchen@reed.edu > Reed College - CIS | QTVR scenes of Reed and other cool stuff: > Portland, OR 97202 | http://www.reed.edu/~gchen flip@chickasaw.com Karl R Tyler II 902 Arlington Center Suite 108 Ada, OK 74820-2883 "Get flipped!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shaunr@juno.com (Shaun D Rader) Subject: Chemical Brothers - Trip Hop? Date: 25 Jul 1996 01:27:04 PST I was the one who thought the Chemical Brothers were trip hop. I actually have no idea what trip hop is. I think I was on the techno newsgroup and said I didn't like the Chemical Bros. because it sounded like rap music. Someone replied with "That's why they call it trip hop, it's like hip hop without the words." Sorry if I came off looking ignorant. Actually, the only electronic music I have is Orbital and Moby, so I haven't really found any other groups (not enough $$). Shaun Rader ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jungho@usa.nai.net (overman) Subject: Re: Chemical Brothers - Trip Hop? Date: 25 Jul 1996 06:31:52 -0400 >I was the one who thought the Chemical Brothers were trip hop. I >actually have no idea what trip hop is. I think I was on the techno >newsgroup and said I didn't like the Chemical Bros. because it sounded like rap music. Someone replied with "That's why they call it trip hop, >it's like hip hop without the words." Sorry if I came off looking >ignorant. > >Actually, the only electronic music I have is Orbital and Moby, so I >haven't really found any other groups (not enough $$). > >Shaun Rader > > well if YOu're truly serious about techno music, you will want to live and breathe it-it is your lifeblood. Go to used cd places, you can get stuff really cheap. I got a double fsol album for 7 dollars. Underworld "Second Toughest in the Infants" is the best album I have so far. And even though Mobyis blasted for being overrated and so simplistic, that is the beauty fo his music, and if it makes you groove and cry, go for it. Techno (and classical)is the most expressive music, in my opinion. It is not to be passed up. Get Orbital's new album. Oh and Sven Vath. Suzy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Jackson Subject: Re: Good Stuff 2 Date: 25 Jul 1996 11:51:32 GMT > Umm, where can I write to melody maker? > OR> I got a hold of my copy from the melody maker magazine which ran an > OR> offer to by it . It was also out in the shops here in the u.k. > OR> > OR> Uncertain if you can still buy it from shops but write to melody > OR> maker for help . CD no longer available from Melody Maker, but is still available in the UK from record shops. This recording also appeared on a Vox magazine compilation tape, cover mounted about 2 years ago. Track wrongly labelled 'Remind' on the SRT CD - it's actually 'Impact'. with the sequencer into 'Remind' audible as the track fades down. How tantalising! Andy Jackson "There's More To Life Than Books, You Know...But Not Much More." (S.P. Morrissey) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Z. Gabriell Bellace" Subject: Re: other good bands? Date: 25 Jul 1996 06:51:13 +0000 flip@chickasaw.com wrote: > > Hey, I too, am new to the scene, and living in Oklahoma doesn't help much > either. We don't even have a "techno" or "imports" section in music stores > (rock alternative's big around here), so I have to order CD's. I was > wondering if anyone could tape off a few samples of some of the more > popular bands, so we "newbies" could decide for ourselves what's good. I > am definately willing for pay for one. Let me know. > > flip Sure, give me your address and I'll mix one up for ya. -- Zenas Gabriell Bellace zenasprime@net-gate.com Zenapolae at: http://www.net-gate.com/~zenasprime "Know the enemy and know yourself;in a hundred battles you will never peril." -Sun Tzu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul <777@meme.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: SeriousRoadTrip Date: 25 Jul 1996 12:35:56 -1200 >Calling this a "set" is stretching things quite a bit. The only Orbital >track on the disc is the version of "Impact" they performed at Glasto '94, >and it's mislabeled to boot (the disc calls it "Remind"). Absolutely right. Mind you, it's probably my favourite ever piece of music. I used to havethe whole set ontape and video (offtheTV), but they disappeared... tragic, huh? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: larsonaj@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Subject: Re: Chemical Brothers - Trip Hop? Date: 25 Jul 1996 08:25:56 -0500 (EST) On Thu, 25 Jul 1996, overman wrote: > >I was the one who thought the Chemical Brothers were trip hop. I > >actually have no idea what trip hop is. I think I was on the techno > >newsgroup and said I didn't like the Chemical Bros. because it sounded like > rap music. Someone replied with "That's why they call it trip hop, > >it's like hip hop without the words." Sorry if I came off looking > >ignorant. Well, I have two cd comps from Moonshine records called Trip Hop Test pt 1 & pt 2. The Dust Brothers (Chem bros) and Chemical Brothers are one these respectively. Who knows what "trip hop" is? Some say it's music like Tricky's or Massive Attack, etc... but I know Tricky doesn't accept this title. Not much of the rest of the tracks on the comps sound like their "bristol sound" either. Hell, Moonshine also puts Wagon Christ in their Trip Hop listing! So, basically, what I guess i'm trying to say is: no one knows what exactly the trip-hop genre is. It's just one of those stupid labels that gets slapped on some elctonic music. Tricky to Chemical Brothers to Wagon Christ all have a similar sound? I don't think so! -Andy larsonaj@muohio.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dennis morales jr Subject: Tour of the US? v.2 Date: 25 Jul 1996 08:35:52 -0400 (EDT) it looks as though i might have to pull the trigger. :( well, although my email address might be atlanta, i am in baton rouge, louisiana. ok, dont ask. :) what i want to know now is: how do you find out _reliably_ about concerts like that (not mainstream, those are easily found out) coming through your area?? i am REALLY upset about missing that concert, if i did. :~( well, maybe we can get them to remix something for us... thanks to all who tried to help, and i wonder about the ones egging me to suicide. :) later on and on and on. ____________________________________________________________ dennis morales jr dfish@havoc.gtf.gatech.edu Dreamhouse - http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/dfish/dreamhouse/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Renee Baker" Subject: Re: Tour of the US? v.2 Date: 25 Jul 1996 07:11:16 -0700 Dennis dfish: As I recall, YOU were the one suggesting you would get your gun and shoot yourself. We were all just pointing out rather quickly via your gun comment that you had missed said concert. Grab your surf board and check out Orbital's homepages for all the latest info: http://www.rise.co.uk/orbital/ And I'm sure other list members will tell you of other good sources too. Right guys? Nay _______________________________________________________________________________ it looks as though i might have to pull the trigger. :( well, although my email address might be atlanta, i am in baton rouge, louisiana. ok, dont ask. :) what i want to know now is: how do you find out _reliably_ about concerts like that (not mainstream, those are easily found out) coming through your area?? i am REALLY upset about missing that concert, if i did. :~( well, maybe we can get them to remix something for us... thanks to all who tried to help, and i wonder about the ones egging me to suicide. :) later on and on and on. ____________________________________________________________ dennis morales jr dfish@havoc.gtf.gatech.edu Dreamhouse - http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/dfish/dreamhouse/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pan <100546.1760@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Hello! Date: 25 Jul 1996 10:22:06 EDT Hey - I'm another new addition to the list. (My name's David, but I use someone else's e-mail connection...) A few things... If you were eagle-eyed (like me!), you might have caught the Glastonbury version of Impact on a free Melody Maker tape that was given away many moons ago. Nearly the whole set was also broadcast on John Peel's show on BBC Radio One (I've got this too...) And to those seeking new *vibes* in an Orbital vein, why not hunt down the following... Black Dog's "Spanners" album Spooky's set of EPs - "stereo", "clank", and "shunt" (Have I got these titles right??) Higher Intelligence Agency's "colourform" and "freefloater" albums and anything by Stasis on Peacefrog records. (US readers may have problems getting hold of these, mind) By the way, I had the pleasure of interviewing the Hartnolls just before they released Snivilisation. The video's crap quality, but would anyone like a copy if I can get one?? And how about some 'new single' news on the boys?!? Yours in Orbital... d ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Dzilvelis" Subject: Meat Beat Manifesto, Orbital, Trip hop Date: 25 Jul 1996 09:40:56 -0600 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB7A0D.659A5FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is it just me, or does the new Meat Beat "Subliminal Sandwich" sound = like they got a major influence shot from Orbital? I mean don't get me = wrong, the CD(s) are great, but it's hard to tell what CD is in the = machine. I've always considered trip-hop to be 'slow techno with strong bass = rhythm, and low key vocals if any'. Trip Hop Test #1 is probably my = fav. collection of bands. The Portishead remix of Paul Weller' = "Wildwood" is great. 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Date: 25 Jul 1996 18:14:56 +0200 (MET DST) Andy wrote: [snip] > So, basically, what I guess i'm trying to say is: no one knows what > exactly the trip-hop genre is. It's just one of those stupid labels > that gets slapped on some elctonic music. Tricky to Chemical Brothers > to Wagon Christ all have a similar sound? I don't think so! > -Andy > larsonaj@muohio.edu The problem i'm having with all these genres is that there seems to be no clear definition of each individual genre... I got interested in the current styles of electronic/dance music only recently, and i'm having a hard time to figure out what i like and what not. I've looked at the alt.rave FAQ, which does give some pointers, but some of the more recent styles (trip-hop, jungle) are missing and the example titles are long out of print. --> Could we try to set up our 'own' FAQ about electronic/dance styles ? I'm sure some of you out there know a lot more than us newbies... We could start by creating a list of the styles that are there now, try to make up a description of each style (very difficult, i know), and finally add some example titles to each style (preferrably some easy to get ones). Of course i understand that it's difficult to put a lot of material into a well defined 'style box', but the main goal would be to get some nice starting points for further listening. Please react if you are interested in helping with this... --> Also, i'd be greatful for more pointers to electronic/dance music. I know the newsgroups, the lowlands mailing list and this one, but for example, how do i subscribe to the IDM mailing list ? Regards, Paul. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: Re: other good bands? Date: 25 Jul 1996 12:43:38 EDT OR>Orbital (I know you know that, but I have to say it) OR>ORB OR>Prodigy OR>Future Sound of London (even slower than ORB sometimes) OR>Moby OR>Rabbit in the Moon/LunaSol OR>Moby OR>Spicelab OR>T-Power ** OR>Goldie ** OR>Aphex Twin OR>Symbiosis (fairly new I think...) OR>Everything But The Girl (Walking Wounded album - fabulous) I'd have to put most of those on my list, as well. I just heard Goldie's new album this past weekend, and it was great.. Anyone here listen to any Psykosonik? -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Danger Chen Subject: other bands... Date: 25 Jul 1996 09:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Hey all! thanks for the replies! I gotta run down to some music shops now... I'm on 5 mailing lists now and this has been the most helpful in only 2 days! Of course the other ones don't have anything to do with music... I just found out that Orbital passed by Seattle. Dang am I suffering... Maybe the other guy and I could shoot each other? mark Mark Chen - Multimedia Guy | 1-503-777-7297 gchen@reed.edu Reed College - CIS | QTVR scenes of Reed and other cool stuff: Portland, OR 97202 | http://www.reed.edu/~gchen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Jones Subject: Chemical Brothers - Trip Hop? -Reply Date: 25 Jul 1996 10:44:20 -0600 >>> Shaun D Rader 07/25/96 03:27am >>> I was the one who thought the Chemical Brothers were trip hop. I actually have no idea what trip hop is. I think I was on the techno newsgroup and said I didn't like the Chemical Bros. because it sounded like rap music. Someone replied with "That's why they call it trip hop, it's like hip hop without the words." Sorry if I came off looking ignorant. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've never heard anything by Chemical Brothers, but that sounds like trip hop to me. Other music that I have heard before that has been called trip hop at one point or another is FSOL's ISDN album (at least some of it), and a compilation called Wall of Pussy. Really it seems anything that's a bit trippy, and has "dubbed" (or at least dubbed sounding) drum tracks is going to get called trip hop these days, especially if it sounds like acid jazz, but is too synthetic to be acid jazz. -Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Roussos" Subject: In Sides/"Dwr Budr"...lyrics? Date: 25 Jul 1996 14:04:34 -0400 Anyone else seriously dig Dwr Budr? There's been lots of talk about the more epic numbers on In Sides (The Box & Out There...), and, indeed, they are awesome tracks. But whenever I hear the slow opening sequence that announces Dwr Budr's inward-looking mood and outlines its chord sequence, I get chills of expectation down my spine. And when that gloriously flanged & phased vocal comes in with that incredible melody, I just swoon. Sublime. Its the song that I have most frequently found myself unconsiously humming this summer. In some ways the synth-vocal metamorphoses remind of some of the sonic technique Jean-Micheal Jarre used on his Zoolook album, but of course the melodic and emotional content of In Sides leaves that record in the dust (although I do think that is one of Jarre's best efforts...pretty damn good, really, but alas it cannot compare to In Sides perfection!). If you've ever done ecstasy, close your eyes and listen to Dwr Budr without any distractions...let yourself fall into it...similar feelings of melting bliss, no? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Well, enough ranting. I do have an actual point/question: In the NME review of In Sides they mention that Dwr Budr is Welsh for "dirty water". So what I'm wondering is: are the vocals abstract wordless sounds (which is what they sound like to my Americal ears), or are they actual lyrics in Welsh? If so, does anyone know what they are saying? Steven M. Roussos ~ Views expressed are my own steven.roussos@sdrc.com ~ SDRC, 2000 Eastman Dr., Milford, OH 45150 "I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." - Thomas Jefferson "A mind unfed feeds on itself" - Truman Capote "'Feed your head!', the Doormouse said." - Lewis Carroll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: broohaha@xnet.com (Al Arzaga) Subject: Re: In Sides/"Dwr Budr"...lyrics? Date: 25 Jul 1996 13:33:19 -0500 >Anyone else seriously dig Dwr Budr? Hell, yeah! >In the NME review of In Sides they mention that Dwr Budr is >Welsh for "dirty water". So what I'm wondering is: are the >vocals abstract wordless sounds (which is what they sound like >to my Americal ears), or are they actual lyrics in Welsh? I don't know Welsh. But I do detect someone singing the word "beautiful"... aL -- Alden Arzaga broohaha@xnet.com http://www.xnet.com/~broohaha "There are three types of people.... Those who can count and those who can't." - Anonymous ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peloazul Subject: Re: other bands... Date: 25 Jul 1996 14:56:02 -0400 (EDT) > Of course the other ones don't have anything to do with music... > > I just found out that Orbital passed by Seattle. Dang am I suffering... > Maybe the other guy and I could shoot each other? > > mark i don't want you guys to feel too bad, so from one orbital fan to another... http://veda.synet.net/ra-content/needle-drop/orbital.ram ^--- is a 14.4encoded ra file of a 2 hour orbital concert http://www.channel.co.uk/orbital/Albert.ram ^--- is a 28.8encoded ra file of a different 2hour orbital concert it's not the same as being there, but at least you won't have to shoot yourself... :) peace geoff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: XENOPHON Subject: Re: other good bands? Date: 25 Jul 1996 12:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Hey- Did you check out the show in Portland? I was there and it ruled! One that I can recommend that you check out is Juno Reactor. I like what I've heard of them and they're not as hardcore as your standard rave music. My suggestion also is to go to Blockbuster Music and check out a lot of stuff. They let you listen to absolutely anything (even imports) unless they've drasticly changed policy in recent months. Maybe not the best of techno selection, but a good way to preview before you get it. Maybe check out the new Underworld. I scored a promo of Dirty Epic and I like it a lot. Haven't heard the album yet though. There's also plenty of good used record stores in Portland also. They're usually pretty good about letting you check out stuff as well. This you probably already know though! Xenophon. On Tue, 23 Jul 1996, Mark Danger Chen wrote: > Hi all, > I just joined the list yesterday. > I was wondering if there's other bands you could recommend me like > Orbital. I also like what I've heard from Aphex Twin and the Orb. > I don't know much about the scene and I dread buying a CD that I haven't > heard of before, and unfortunately up here in Portland I don't know > anyone who can help me out. > Basically, I find that Orbital is beaty yet at the same time has an human > element to it that I don't hear in a lot of other stuff that's stuck in > the Techno section of my music stores. Most of that stuff is just your > regular rave/dance music - repititious to the point of boredom. > I like the Orb but find most of it too slow for my taste. > > thanks in advance, > mark > > PS perhaps there's a faq that I don't know about? > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark Chen - Multimedia Guy | 1-503-777-7297 gchen@reed.edu > Reed College - CIS | QTVR scenes of Reed and other cool stuff: > Portland, OR 97202 | http://www.reed.edu/~gchen > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Osborn Subject: Re: In Sides review Date: 25 Jul 1996 15:12:52 -0400 (EDT) > >trip-hop and jungle, and the result is more melancholic than the > > Do people consider Orbital trip-hop and jungle? I'm not really familiar > with the terms, but I got the impression that Chemical Brothers were > trip-hop. Orbital sounds nothing like that. Jungle.. not sure they > sound like that either. I don't think you can put "In Sides" into a > category, why would you want to? > Lets not be dumb here and try to pigeon-hole every single band. Orbital is Orbital, their range is greater than most types of music. Some songs are one thing some are the other, you can't explain orbital to someone with just one name, people must hear their songs to understand what the word means. Pigeon-hole'ing is not only impossible but normally what artists try to strive to avoid. "oh he's just another trip-hop producer" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Osborn Subject: Re: Chemical Brothers - Trip Hop? Date: 25 Jul 1996 15:25:56 -0400 (EDT) > Well, I have two cd comps from Moonshine records called Trip Hop Test pt 1 & pt > 2. The Dust Brothers (Chem bros) and Chemical Brothers are one these > respectively. Who knows what "trip hop" is? Some say it's music like Tricky's > or Massive Attack, etc... but I know Tricky doesn't accept this title. Not > much of the rest of the tracks on the comps sound like their "bristol sound" > either. Hell, Moonshine also puts Wagon Christ in their Trip Hop listing! > > So, basically, what I guess i'm trying to say is: no one knows what exactly > the trip-hop genre is. It's just one of those stupid labels that gets slapped > on some elctonic music. Tricky to Chemical Brothers to Wagon Christ all have a > similar sound? I don't think so! > Trip hop is any music that has the west cost breaks sound - i.e. the beats from hiphop or Westcoast House - thats the hop part Portishead can be called triphop, FSOL can be called triphop, hell anything with slowbreaks can be called triphop. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: XENOPHON Subject: Re: other bands... Date: 25 Jul 1996 12:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Hey- Another band that I forgot to mention is Human Mesh Dance. A sampler that you may want to pick up is you have the chance is Instinct Records "Plug in Turn On" It's a 2 disc set; one Techno, one Ambient. Really pretty good. Also if you want odd stuff, The Drum Club (I think of it as Jungle) and for Experimental Ambient, Zoviet France and Coil (Watch what you get from Coil, as they mutate faster than the common cold!) Hope this helps you in your quest! Xenophon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: flip@chickasaw.com Subject: Genres? Date: 25 Jul 1996 15:13:35 -0500 Hello, I was wondering if there was some kind of FAQ on the genres of this type of music. I still don't really know the difference between techno and house and trance and acid and space and on and on......... flip ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bigsixty@aol.com Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto, Orbital, Trip hop Date: 25 Jul 1996 16:32:14 -0400 I would have to say that disc1 of the new MBM was influenced by all sorts of styles, with some breakbeat, jungle, probably trip-hop, and some other stuff. I don't hear too much Orbital in there really, but I guess I can see a little of it. Disc2 has a lot of ORB like influence. It is a little experimental, but definately cool... I can definately tell them apart. That Album is way cool, because each time I listen to it I like it more. I hate it when you like something less than the first time you heard it. The Chemical Brothers does that to me. I thought they were really good, but the more I listen to it, the less talented they seem. I like some of their older stuff more. As for trip-hop, there is a lot that would fit in there. My favorite CD in that category is Hardhop Trypno also by moonshine. Uberzone and More Funky Shit have two of the coolest tunes I have heard. I have never heard of "Ellipses" but I will look for it... I keep my Orbital in my "others" section. I have an Ambient section for that easy listening, a jungle section for that bring the house down bass, and a Trance/Trip-Hop section for grooving. And then I have my others, like Orbital, Prodigy, Meat-Beat, Bjork, and the Beastie Boys. All of those groups kinda have their own style. At least that's what I think... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bigsixty@aol.com Subject: Goldie's new album? Date: 25 Jul 1996 16:30:27 -0400 Are you talking about Timeless, or the next one? I heard it was coming soon, but I have not seen anything of it... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jungho@usa.nai.net (overman) Subject: Re: other good bands? Date: 25 Jul 1996 16:38:22 -0400 >OR>Orbital (I know you know that, but I have to say it) >OR>ORB >OR>Prodigy >OR>Future Sound of London (even slower than ORB sometimes) >OR>Moby >OR>Rabbit in the Moon/LunaSol >OR>Moby >OR>Spicelab >OR>T-Power ** >OR>Goldie ** >OR>Aphex Twin >OR>Symbiosis (fairly new I think...) >OR>Everything But The Girl (Walking Wounded album - fabulous) > >I'd have to put most of those on my list, as well. I just heard >Goldie's new album this past weekend, and it was great.. Anyone here >listen to any Psykosonik? > -G > >yes. on some rave compilation. there one hit song i think, i forget what it was called. it was rather good. what about the rest of their stuff? are they mostly rave, or is there any contemplative stuff like Orbital? --sue. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Jones Subject: Re: other bands... -Reply Date: 25 Jul 1996 15:02:29 -0600 Remember to check this out! http://www.channel.co.uk/orbital/Albert.ram -Neuronaut ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbriggs@netsync.net Subject: Re: In Sides review Date: 25 Jul 1996 18:39:08 -0400 > >trip-hop and jungle, and the result is more melancholic than the >> >> Do people consider Orbital trip-hop and jungle? I'm not really familiar >> with the terms, but I got the impression that Chemical Brothers were >> trip-hop. Orbital sounds nothing like that. Jungle.. not sure they >> sound like that either. I don't think you can put "In Sides" into a >> category, why would you want to? >> >Lets not be dumb here and try to pigeon-hole every single >band. Orbital >is Orbital, their range is greater than most types of >music. Some songs >are one thing some are the other, you can't explain >orbital to someone >with just one name, people must hear their songs to >understand what the >word means. > >Pigeon-hole'ing is not only impossible but normally what >artists try to >strive to avoid. "oh he's just another trip-hop producer" i agree. if we all just listened to music instead of labeling it, we'd learn to enjoy it a lot more. orbital is not categorisable, which is one of their advantages, and, perhaps, novelties. it's that you CAN'T and SHOULDN'T label orbital that makes them so intiguing... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Parminder Basran Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto, Orbital, Trip hop Date: 25 Jul 1996 16:43:33 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 25 Jul 1996 Bigsixty@aol.com wrote: > I would have to say that disc1 of the new MBM was influenced by all sorts of > styles, with some breakbeat, jungle, probably trip-hop, and some other stuff. ... > Album is way cool, because each time I listen to it I like it more. I hate > it when you like something less than the first time you heard it. The > Chemical Brothers does that to me. I thought they were really good, but the > more I listen to it, the less talented they seem. > -WOW! That is exactly what I thought of the Chem. Bros album! -As for the MBM, I would agree also. On that note, I left Satyricon in my CD player for about a year. I would expect to do the same with the new album...cuz it so layered and deep. > > I keep my Orbital in my "others" section. I have an Ambient section for that > easy listening, a jungle section for that bring the house down bass, and a > Trance/Trip-Hop section for grooving. And then I have my others, like > Orbital, Prodigy, Meat-Beat, Bjork, and the Beastie Boys. All of those > groups kinda have their own style. At least that's what I think... > -Yeah, there is no real sense in classifying music in this sense. I often sort out my cd's interms of weird to canonical (Coil --- Classical), with Orbital fitting in the grand scheme of "techno", with no attempt to pidgeon hole it. It's futile. -You could categorize it wrt to mixing partners, in which case Orbital would sit next to several different bands. -There was a list of bands Orbital did remixes with... anything new on that front? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbriggs@netsync.net Subject: In Sides Date: 25 Jul 1996 18:45:24 -0400 what does everyone think of "the girl with the sun in her head"? i really think that, for all the talk of the other tracks, that while without a doubt are awesome, this is the best one on the album. the fact that they recorded the entire thing on solar energy makes me appreciate it all the more... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: USCCockNC@aol.com Subject: Re: other good bands? Date: 25 Jul 1996 19:42:59 -0400 Future Sound Of London's "Lifeforms" moves me, just like Orb and Orbital.....plus if you want some really stripped down techno, try Autechre's "Amber."--very basic rhythm tracks and occasional synth accents. Might sound boring, but it keeps me fascinated. The Orb did an interview in Creative Loafing when they were here last Memorial day (in Charlotte), and mentioned Autechre as a band they were really into. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: USCCockNC@aol.com Subject: Re: other good bands? Date: 25 Jul 1996 19:45:19 -0400 I agree with Bix Sixty....Everything But the Girl's "Walking Wounded" is REALLY cool....lots of polyrythmic tracks with an edge of darkness and mystery.....the makings of great music!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gsxiii@usa.pipeline.com (GS13) Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto, Orbital, Trip hop Date: 25 Jul 1996 23:53:40 GMT and i thought i was the only one who felt the Chem Bros really are pop-ish techno- having listened to Cab Vol most of my life, and MBM since their inception, I always listen to these "newbie" bands with half an ear, because the first album sounds like the second sounds like the third..., you can't see the development of soundscaping and esp. production quality in some of these guys. MBM "Subliminal" has been in my CD player two months now, played almost daily, and i still hear something new every time. Since I'm on this, i've also felt that the last Prodigy US release, "Music for...", is crappy. Serious ripoffs of CabVol samples (which a lot of bands do- inc. MBM- but that is more homage, where the sample is incorporated, not plagiarized), even an entire song that is right off any KMFDM CD. So, my faves- Meat Beat Manifesto ("only one CD on a deserted island...") Cab Vol Orbital (not sure about the new stuff, just #2, Diversions, Sniv, and their remixes) William Orbit Orb Tricky Amorph/Adron ~ FSOL John Cage Gabriel (gsxiii@usa.pipeline.com) -- "I've done some questionable things in my time..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Geoff Elgey Subject: Where can I get Orbital CD's? Date: 26 Jul 1996 11:39:10 +1000 (EST) G'day, Previously I posted regarding which Orbital CD singles are still available in London, and received many helpful responses. To those respondants, I send a big thank-you. Originally, I was going to get my brother to fetch these items for me, since he is currently in London. But he is leaving by the end of this week, so it is too late to arrange anything with him. So I was wondering: are there any London/UK record stores or companies that do mail orders? Specifically, I am after the singles that were re-released by Internal records last year: "Midnight/Choice", "Satan/Belfast", and "Radiccio". Can someone recommend a reliable / cheap / efficient store to do mail-order/internet business with? Any help greatly appreciated, Geoff. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 2guys Subject: Re: In Sides Date: 26 Jul 1996 01:04:59 -0400 jbriggs@netsync.net wrote: > > what does everyone think of "the girl with the sun in her head"? i really think > that, for all the talk of the other tracks, that while without a doubt are > awesome, this is the best one on the album. the fact that they recorded the > entire thing on solar energy makes me appreciate it all the more... I agree completely. This is the best track on the cd. The only way they could've made it better would be to stretch it out for another 10 minutes. The part about midway through where the dominant swirling synth gives way to what sounds like a church organ nearly knocked me out of my seat. It was the perfect sound at just the right time. It still raises the hair on my arms when I hear it (especially on the car stereo). >Dale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dennis morales jr Subject: Re: In Sides review Date: 26 Jul 1996 01:43:54 -0400 (EDT) i tend to notice, being in my band, of the critial nature of humanity. and the toughest critics, are ourselves, the perfectionist musician (in my case) :: to label something "best" on the In Sides album is, well, its damn impossible, there are so many factors to consider, & that some are stronger than others, but maybe were put there purposely or the composition wouldnt have done some of the things that it does now... coupled with the fact that music (pure rhythm and melody) is completely subjective! my bald head is spinning, whew. this taken into account, i shall be compiling a review of each song on the album sequentially from my perspective (who other could it be), which also, is a very musician's perspective, and synth junky as well. what i would like to accomplish is a review that is more than just that; i would like peoples opinions about sounds, and arrangements, and chord progressions, and moods, etc, etc. and DETAILS!! (e.g. the sound with the reverse envelope on it at the beginning of '...Sun in her head' is wonderful, what piece of gear made it?) i know that some of the info presented will be over some peoples heads, but that doesnt mean it shouldnt be reported. i also know some info will be simple and they might think it would be laughed at, that also should be reported. i would like feedback on this idea. also, i would compile all the data and post the "review" somewhere on the net after completion. i want to start with "Girl with the Sun in her head" first and spend about 5 days on each song (taking reviews) i would start now, but i have to go to work, so, i will leave this for you all to tell me what you think and then i will begin somtime this weekend with my review, starting a new paradigm in reviewing. later on and on and on. ____________________________________________________________ dennis morales jr dfish@havoc.gtf.gatech.edu Dreamhouse - http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/dfish/dreamhouse/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hallvard.Muller@ecsoft.no Subject: Re: Genres? Date: 26 Jul 1996 09:02:24 +0200 If you're having troble with that, try Goa-trance, ambient dub, Bleep, Clonk.... Great world, isn't it? Hallvard cc: Hello, I was wondering if there was some kind of FAQ on the genres of this type of music. I still don't really know the difference between techno and house and trance and acid and space and on and on......... flip ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hallvard.Muller@ecsoft.no Subject: Re: Music categories Date: 26 Jul 1996 09:05:38 +0200 I have a suggestion, folks. How about using the alphabet - Orbital is an "O"-band? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hallvard.Muller@ecsoft.no Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto, Orbital, Trip hop Date: 26 Jul 1996 09:09:23 +0200 It is with great pleasure I observe that Meat Beat Manifesto (MBM) occur in mails nowadays - anyone not quite happy with their latest product should check out "Satyricon", which is really great, or "99%", which is even greater - especially if you're into i ndustrial/EBM stuff. By the way - do anyone know of an MBM-site/newsgroup on the net? Hallvard cc: _P=internet_A=telemax_C=no_D=rfc-822^orbital(a)xmission.com@X400 and i thought i was the only one who felt the Chem Bros really are pop-ish techno- having listened to Cab Vol most of my life, and MBM since their inception, I always listen to these "newbie" bands with half an ear, because the first album sounds like the second sounds like the third..., you can't see the development of soundscaping and esp. production quality in some of these guys. MBM "Subliminal" has been in my CD player two months now, played almost daily, and i still hear something new every time. Since I'm on this, i've also felt that the last Prodigy US release, "Music for...", is crappy. Serious ripoffs of CabVol samples (which a lot of bands do- inc. MBM- but that is more homage, where the sample is incorporated, not plagiarized), even an entire song that is right off any KMFDM CD. So, my faves- Meat Beat Manifesto ("only one CD on a deserted island...") Cab Vol Orbital (not sure about the new stuff, just #2, Diversions, Sniv, and their remixes) William Orbit Orb Tricky Amorph/Adron ~ FSOL John Cage Gabriel (gsxiii@usa.pipeline.com) -- "I've done some questionable things in my time..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shaunr@juno.com (Shaun D Rader) Subject: Re: In Sides Date: 25 Jul 1996 22:55:23 PST On Thu, 25 Jul 1996 18:45:24 -0400 jbriggs@netsync.net writes: >what does everyone think of "the girl with the sun in her head"? i Great song. I heard this one on the radio before I got a hold of "In Sides" and loved it. I caught it in the middle of the song and I knew it was Orbital (quite a surprise, I think most of the stuff played on KROQ After Hours is mediocre). Heavenly... all the songs on "In Sides" are brilliant. I'm am totally addicted to that CD! I need my Orbital fix several times a day. Shaun Rader ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shaunr@juno.com (Shaun D Rader) Subject: Re: Where can I get Orbital CD's? Date: 25 Jul 1996 23:04:38 PST On Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:39:10 +1000 (EST) Geoff Elgey writes: > Can someone recommend a reliable / cheap >/ efficient store to do mail-order/internet business with? I don't know about cheap, but I know http://cdnow.com is reliable. If I find an import at a local music store in the U.S., I'll end up paying $9.99 or so for the CD. Through CD Now, it's about $12.95 + shipping. Not that bad if you really want these singles. Shaun Rader ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Graham Dunn Subject: Re: Chemical Brothers - Trip Hop? Date: 26 Jul 1996 04:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Hmm .. classifying is pretty tricky. Hrm. OK, maybe the best way for me to approach this is to quote well known artists, CDs, tracks, etc and then slap my generalization on them. Then someone else on this list can vehemently disagree with me and we can start a gigantic flame war :] Ambient: For me, this breaks down into three very wide categories. "crunchy", "organic" and "soundscapey". Crunchy ambient is what I would refer to something like the first couple tracks off of "I care because you do" by Aphex Twin. Organic ambient is what I would call "lifeforms" by FSOL. Soundscapey ambient is Brian Eno-y stuff, like most of "Selected Ambient Works II" by Aphex Twin. Note that therse are pretty arbitrary divisions and that all of these artists frequently change their sounds, often between tracks on the same CD ... As for techno, one of the more well known "jungle" artists is "A Guy called Gerald" ... I don't know good examples for any of the other terms we've been throwing around. My best advice would be to pick up a few compilations. Pay close attention to the artists that appear the most often, and if you like them, try and find their work from around that time period. Once you get a few bands down that you like, ask at record shops, raves, whatever, for similiar sounds. As to creating a FAQ, I think we could create a one line document containing all you need to know about electronic music resources. http://www.hyperreal.com Set aside 5 or 6 hours and start browsing :] On the off chance that anyone of you is nearby the Tokyo area and likes to dance, drop me a line ... Graham ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin Ayrton Subject: Re: other bands... Date: 26 Jul 1996 09:34:44 +0100 XENOPHON wrote; >Hey- >Another band that I forgot to mention is Human Mesh Dance. Check out Mindspore's "Distributed Shared Memory" featuring a track by Human Mesh Dance. We (the mobeus) are also lucky enough to have two tracks on this CD, Jazz Mag and Warrior. M:) [-A Cyborgs Eye View-------------------- http://www.u-net.com/~cev ] | home of.... ( t h e m o b e u s ) | | | [ Compilation CD featuring m o b e u s tracks JazzMag & Warrior, ] |*Distributed Shared Memory* on Mindspore - www.mindspore.com/dsm | [-------- released June 1996 - U.S. (UK & Europe - tba) ----------] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jungho@usa.nai.net (overman) Subject: Re: other bands... -Reply Date: 26 Jul 1996 07:01:31 -0400 >Remember to check this out! > >http://www.channel.co.uk/orbital/Albert.ram > >-Neuronaut > > >Not to get off the subject, but i'm to lazy to post right now on the web... do you guys think that you have to be extremely music literate to appreciate techno? my brother is something of a techno artist and he gets like a spiritual revelation when he listens ot music. We both went to the same Orbital show and i got grooved but he got lifted off his feet! He was internally raving the entire way home. I do know that my favorite albums right now is Underworld's "Second Toughest In The Infants" and Orbital's "Insides". Can anyone recommend an excellent KMFDM album? I know they are excellent, just dont know which album to get---and which is the best Aphex Album? I care because you do or Selected Ambient Works 2? What does everyone think of SVEN VATH? What about FSOL"s ISDN and Accelerator? What is a band that is absolutely essential to a music collection, besides the ones that I have already listed? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pan <100546.1760@compuserve.com> Subject: Trip Hop/Meat Beat Date: 26 Jul 1996 10:02:51 EDT Greetings - more to add to the trip hop and Meat Beat debates... Over here in the UK, a record label called Mo Wax initially led the whole 'trip-hop' thang. One of their top artists called DJ Shadow is one I'd definitely recommend checking out. I believe he's a West Coast (as in Cali) lad. I think you can get a Mo Wax compilation called Headz in the States... On the MBM front, I think Orbital were quite influenced by MBM and not the other way round! If you check out MBM's album Satyricon you can see the breakbeat style found on Orbital's brown album masterpiece. And of course MBM's Mindstream from Satyricon was remixed by the Hartnolls later to become the glorious 'Remind'! Hoorah for genre-bending!! d ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pan <100546.1760@compuserve.com> Subject: More Music.... Date: 26 Jul 1996 10:09:09 EDT Re: Autechre. YES YES YES! Auteckie (as I like to call them) are a FANTASTIC act! Buy all their albums, esp Amber and see them live - they challenge Orbital for sublime highs and moody lows!!! Good call, that man "USCCockNC" !!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:In Sides/"Dwr Budr"...lyrics? Date: 26 Jul 1996 15:33:50 BST Steven, >Well, enough ranting. I do have an actual point/question: AT last ;) >In the NME review of In Sides they mention that Dwr Budr is >Welsh for "dirty water". So what I'm wondering is: are the >vocals abstract wordless sounds (which is what they sound like >to my Americal ears), or are they actual lyrics in Welsh? Its certainly not welsh lyrics. Tell you what to do. SAMPLE the first loop of vocal and then reverse it. NOW listen to it. Who is that then ? (i was shocked!) Cheers Steve LOOPZ Price ORbital Zine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pan <100546.1760@compuserve.com> Subject: Other mailing lists Date: 26 Jul 1996 10:25:57 EDT I'm beginning to enjoy this e-mail business! Are there any other decent mailing lists for dance music/DJ-ing etc? I'd be intrigued to find out... d ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbriggs@netsync.net Subject: Re: Goldie's new album? Date: 26 Jul 1996 11:14:28 -0400 he is producing bjork's new album as well so it might be awhile... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbriggs@netsync.net Subject: Re: other good bands? Date: 26 Jul 1996 11:17:23 -0400 >OR>Orbital (I know you know that, but I have to say it) >OR>ORB >OR>Prodigy >OR>Future Sound of London (even slower than ORB sometimes) >OR>Moby >OR>Rabbit in the Moon/LunaSol >OR>Moby >OR>Spicelab >OR>T-Power ** >OR>Goldie ** >OR>Aphex Twin >OR>Symbiosis (fairly new I think...) >OR>Everything But The Girl (Walking Wounded album - fabulous) > >I'd have to put most of those on my list, as well. I just heard >Goldie's new album this past weekend, and it was great.. Anyone here >listen to any Psykosonik? > -G > >yes. on some rave compilation. there one hit song i >think, i forget what >it was called. it was rather good. what about the rest of >their stuff? >are they mostly rave, or is there any contemplative stuff >like Orbital? >--sue. the track i believe you are talking about is "welcome to my mind..." most of their stuff, to me, it seems, is just early rave... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbriggs@netsync.net Subject: Re: Where can I get Orbital CD's? Date: 26 Jul 1996 11:22:00 -0400 parasol mail order has some things fairly cheap... in sides is about 14 bucks there, not bad for 2 cd's... i don't really know what else they have, though... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lysergic Subject: Re: other bands... -Reply Date: 26 Jul 1996 11:23:03 -0400 (EDT) >>Not to get off the subject, but i'm to lazy to post right now on the web... >do you guys think that you have to be extremely music literate to appreciate >techno? my brother is something of a techno artist and he gets like a >spiritual revelation when he listens ot music. We both went to the same >Orbital show and i got grooved but he got lifted off his feet! He was >internally raving the entire way home. >I do know that my favorite albums right now is Underworld's "Second Toughest >In The Infants" and Orbital's "Insides". Can anyone recommend an excellent >KMFDM album? I know they are excellent, just dont know which album to >get---and which is the best Aphex Album? I care because you do or Selected >Ambient Works 2? What does everyone think of SVEN VATH? What about FSOL"s >ISDN and Accelerator? > >What is a band that is absolutely essential to a music collection, besides >the ones that I have already listed? > > i personally think "money" is the best KMFDM album, maybe "angst"... as far as other groups, i would swear by any frontline assembly side project, especially delerium and noise unit. if you like kmfdm and orbital them maybe... just maybe... -lysergic ################################################## # ...a bag of beads and some fishing line... # # these are some of the things you left behind...# ################################################## -- # become one with the lysergic dream # # e-mail for more info # # check out post-mortem telepathy at: # # http://home.earthlink.net/~lysergic # ################################################## ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbriggs@netsync.net Subject: Re: other bands... -good KMFDM? Reply Date: 26 Jul 1996 11:26:57 -0400 i think that the new KMFDM (XTORT) is damn good. a few disappointing trax, but i don't think you can beat "son of a gun" "craze" "blame" and "dogma"... but i think some of their early stuff like "what do you know deutschland" and the "godlike" 12" are well worth investing a few bucks in... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbriggs@netsync.net Subject: Re: Music categories Date: 26 Jul 1996 11:29:10 -0400 myself, i just put them by favourite to least-favourite. or i just don't organise them and just listen because IT'S JUST MUSIC! :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbriggs@netsync.net Subject: Re: Music categories Date: 26 Jul 1996 11:29:10 -0400 myself, i just put them by favourite to least-favourite. or i just don't organise them and just listen because IT'S JUST MUSIC! :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbriggs@netsync.net Subject: Re: other good bands? Date: 26 Jul 1996 11:31:39 -0400 what about autechre's "tri repetae" ... i never got a hold ofit. is it worth getting? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbriggs@netsync.net Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto, Orbital, Trip hop Date: 26 Jul 1996 11:35:41 -0400 i think mbm - "subliminal..."'s version of "asbestos lead asbestos" is creepy-great... and "nuclear bomb" is one of the best junglish tracks i've heard since the goldie album came out... btw: anyone heard of the "special brew" comp? i got a copy of it in the mail the other day (i'm rpm director @ a college station...) it has some great stuff - like a remix of bjork's "army of me" by mike d. of the beastie boys and a new (i think) goldie track... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbriggs@netsync.net Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto, Orbital, Trip hop Date: 26 Jul 1996 11:35:41 -0400 i think mbm - "subliminal..."'s version of "asbestos lead asbestos" is creepy-great... and "nuclear bomb" is one of the best junglish tracks i've heard since the goldie album came out... btw: anyone heard of the "special brew" comp? i got a copy of it in the mail the other day (i'm rpm director @ a college station...) it has some great stuff - like a remix of bjork's "army of me" by mike d. of the beastie boys and a new (i think) goldie track... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Dzilvelis" Subject: RE: Meat Beat Manifesto, Orbital, Trip hop Date: 26 Jul 1996 09:34:34 -0600 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB7AD5.AB9AEB20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > anyone not quite happy with their latest product should check out = "Satyricon", which is >really great, or "99%", which is even greater - = especially if you're into industrial/EBM stuff. > By the way - do anyone know of an MBM-site/newsgroup on the net? 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Date: 26 Jul 1996 11:38:32 -0400 does orbital do/plan to do any shows in the states. i think unlikely, because the scene here absolutely sucks. but i'd be thrilled if anyone could tell me if they are coming around, even to the ontario area... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: H Lo Subject: Tour CD? Date: 26 Jul 1996 11:43:25 -0400 (EDT) I'm still looking for any news of a Orbital CD wether it's bootleg or legit. I don't know if anyone has said anything about a tour CD but I liked the live versions of their songs better than the album ones. I'm also curious as to which album "Satan" is from. I don't have it in any of my Orbital CDs. Hans Lo (95001206) email:(hlo@novice.uwaterloo.ca) (519)885-2154 Joint Honours PoliSci/History University of Waterloo. Pacific Standard Timezone ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zaheer mamujee Subject: Re: satan Date: 26 Jul 1996 12:14:47 -0700 H Lo wrote: > > I'm still looking for any news of a Orbital CD wether it's > bootleg or legit. I don't know if anyone has said anything about a tour > CD but I liked the live versions of their songs better than the album > ones. I'm also curious as to which album "Satan" is from. I don't have it > in any of my Orbital CDs. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hans Lo (95001206) email:(hlo@novice.uwaterloo.ca) > (519)885-2154 Joint Honours PoliSci/History > University of Waterloo. > Pacific Standard Timezone > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I got satan on a 12" with chime and LC2(something like that). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Lester Subject: Re: Trip Hop/Meat Beat Date: 26 Jul 1996 17:15:12 +0100 > Greetings - more to add to the trip hop and Meat Beat debates... Yep - me too. Here to shout about one of my fave trip-hop artists (if that's what you call it :-) Although it's nothing like Orbital at all, so may be considered to be off topic - try listening to some DJ Food, on the Ninja Tunes label, (or probably anything else on that label.) for some really funky music. While I'm jabbering - If you like that there's also a chance that you'll like the Chemical's latest - Live at the Social - a load of *excellent* old hip-hop (classics like Juice by Erik B and Rakim), mixing into some nice techno stuff towards the end of the set. It's even taken listening priority over Insides recently :) Take it easy, all.. -Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Wasisco - Synet Subject: Re: Other mailing lists Date: 26 Jul 1996 11:22:59 -0500 (CDT) An extensive list of related mailing lists can be found at: http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/rml/ mike www.needle-drop.com ================= On 26 Jul 1996, pan wrote: > I'm beginning to enjoy this e-mail business! > Are there any other decent mailing lists for dance music/DJ-ing etc? I'd be > intrigued to find out... > > d > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Wasisco - Synet Subject: Re: Other mailing lists Date: 26 Jul 1996 11:22:59 -0500 (CDT) An extensive list of related mailing lists can be found at: http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/rml/ mike www.needle-drop.com ================= On 26 Jul 1996, pan wrote: > I'm beginning to enjoy this e-mail business! > Are there any other decent mailing lists for dance music/DJ-ing etc? I'd be > intrigued to find out... > > d > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cdaraghy@exit109.com (charlie daraghy) Subject: Re: More Music.... Date: 26 Jul 1996 13:19:44 -0400 >Re: Autechre. > >YES YES YES! > >Auteckie (as I like to call them) are a FANTASTIC act! Buy all their >albums, esp >Amber and see them live - they challenge Orbital for sublime highs and moody >lows!!! > >Good call, that man "USCCockNC" !!!!!! I *LOVE* autechre. Especially their remixes. Like St. Etienne's "Like a Motorway" (skin up you're already dead mix) Another cool 'compilation' is SOFTBALLETFORMS, actually a Japanese group, but with remixes by Autechre, Global Communication/Reload, Black Dog, it's a real prize. I love reload/global comm/jedi knights, and NAV KATZE "Never mind the distortion" is another japanese group that had their songs remixed by Global comm, black dog, ultramarine, and aphex twin. Right now I have on the EARTHBEAT compilation from 1992, old Future Sound of London monikers, great stuff! Took me over 2 years to get it... but autechre has such great screwed up rhythms... the double cd US version of "Tri Repeatae" is a great bargain, in that you get the album, and 2 of their ep's, "garbage" and "anvil vapre". my $ .02 bit o' orbital news is the Lunasol/Rabbit in the Moon mixes of "Are we here?" are good, but I wish D. Christophere would do more or put out a full length, his mixes are usually excellent! - also, you MUST own both the UK and US versions of Orbital's first album, this way you don't miss out on a treat like HIGH RISE, only on the UK version -Charlie in nj ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Tolva Subject: Re: other good bands? Date: 26 Jul 1996 13:47:57 -0500 At 11:31 AM 7/26/96 -0400, you wrote: >what about autechre's "tri repetae" ... i never got a hold ofit. is it worth >getting? Hell yes. Hell yes. Hell yes. j. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: Goldie's new album? Date: 26 Jul 1996 14:16:30 EDT OR>Are you talking about Timeless, or the next one? I heard it was coming soon OR>but I have not seen anything of it... Umm, I'm not sure what the title was, but the guy who owned said he had just bought it last weekend, and made it sound like it was a brand new album... -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: Re: other good bands? Date: 26 Jul 1996 14:19:08 EDT OR>>OR>Orbital (I know you know that, but I have to say it) OR>>OR>ORB OR>>OR>Prodigy OR>>OR>Future Sound of London (even slower than ORB sometimes) OR>>OR>Moby OR>>OR>Rabbit in the Moon/LunaSol OR>>OR>Moby OR>>OR>Spicelab OR>>OR>T-Power ** OR>>OR>Goldie ** OR>>OR>Aphex Twin OR>>OR>Symbiosis (fairly new I think...) OR>>OR>Everything But The Girl (Walking Wounded album - fabulous) OR>> OR>>I'd have to put most of those on my list, as well. I just heard OR>>Goldie's new album this past weekend, and it was great.. Anyone here OR>>listen to any Psykosonik? OR>> -G OR>> OR>>yes. on some rave compilation. there one hit song i think, i forget what OR>it was called. it was rather good. what about the rest of their stuff? OR>are they mostly rave, or is there any contemplative stuff like Orbital? OR>--sue. Umm, they have a remix on a CD called 'The Best of Rave'. It's of 'Silicon Jesus'. Their first album is very rave-influenced. A lot of heavy sampled guitars, upbeat, etc.. The second album is much mellower and a lot more thoughtful. It's called 'Unlearn'. I highly recommend it. -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: Re: other bands... -Reply Date: 26 Jul 1996 14:28:16 EDT Hmm, Front Line Assembly.. I would also recommend 'Tactical Neiral Implant'. It's pretty groovy, as well. As for FSOL, I have ISDN and Accelerator, and would definitely recommend Accelerator highly. ISDN's cool, too, but Accelerator is excellent. -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: Tour CD? Date: 26 Jul 1996 14:30:56 EDT OR> I'm still looking for any news of a Orbital CD wether it's OR>bootleg or legit. I don't know if anyone has said anything about a tour OR>CD but I liked the live versions of their songs better than the album OR>ones. I'm also curious as to which album "Satan" is from. I don't have it OR>in any of my Orbital CDs. Satan is on the first album, just titled 'Orbital'. It's the one in the greenish-yellow case. -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Dzilvelis" Subject: Meat Beat Mailing List Date: 26 Jul 1996 12:30:29 -0600 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB7AEE.3BAFC240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Taken from the Meat Beat Site.... /* The ZOMBIES mailing list is dedicated to the discussion of the = indescribably wonderful band MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO. The list is pretty low = traffic, and has a very good signal-to-noise ratio.=20 To take a look inside the list itself, check out The Zombies archive.=20 To subscribe to the list send e-mail to majordomo@cyborganic.com with = the following in the body of the message.=20 *In the description below items contained in []'s are optional. 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Date: 26 Jul 1996 13:04:47 -0600 (MDT) Fellow Orbitals, Am I hearing a lot of Industrialist turning mellow? I certainly fit within this category! Hearing all this talk about FLA, KMFDM, and MBM leads me to think that somewhere out there there are a lot of hardcore industrialists grew older and eventually reduced the amount of Nihilism in their lives. Not that I don't need my fixing of a little BRAPPING once and a while, I just kinda mellowed out over the years. Autechre really spun me over as a great turning point wrt to this musical context. By the way, did you know that Autechre's fav. concert date was in Montreal, Canada? That is something else us few Canucks can be proud of. Parminder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Parminder Basran Subject: Re: other good bands? Date: 26 Jul 1996 13:07:06 -0600 (MDT) On 26 Jul 1996 gandalf@wnc.com wrote: > OR>>OR>Orbital (I know you know that, but I have to say it) > OR>>OR>ORB ...on that note. You could pick up the WASTED CD compilation.. It's a pretty compendious introduction. Not that bad interms selection, and you could save yourself a quite a few bucks in distilling your tastes. I highly recommend it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Wasisco - Synet Subject: Re: Meat Beat Mailing List Date: 26 Jul 1996 15:15:01 -0500 (CDT) What's the address for the Meat Beat site.... thanks- mike www.needle-drop.com ================================================ On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, Steven Dzilvelis wrote: > Taken from the Meat Beat Site.... > > /* k ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: broohaha@xnet.com (Al Arzaga) Subject: Re: Tour CD? Date: 26 Jul 1996 15:28:34 -0500 > I'm still looking for any news of a Orbital CD wether it's >bootleg or legit. I don't know if anyone has said anything about a tour >CD but I liked the live versions of their songs better than the album >ones. I'm also curious as to which album "Satan" is from. I don't have it >in any of my Orbital CDs. It's on my copy of the their first album. The green/yellow one. Untitled I, if you will. aL -- Alden Arzaga broohaha@xnet.com http://www.xnet.com/~broohaha "There are three types of people.... Those who can count and those who can't." - Anonymous ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: XENOPHON Subject: Re: In Sides/"Dwr Budr"...lyrics? Date: 26 Jul 1996 13:52:26 -0700 (PDT) I have to agree with you. Although my favorite on the album is "Out There Somewhere" (part 2), I also really like Dwr Budr, even moreso that The Girl With The Sun In Her Head for instance. Sorry to all those that think that this album is perfection, but I kind of like some of their older stuff better than some of this album. And I still like them live better than any of the studio stuff by far! Xenophon. Ps, I don't know any Welsh either, but good question! On Thu, 25 Jul 1996, Al Arzaga wrote: > >Anyone else seriously dig Dwr Budr? > Hell, yeah! > > > >In the NME review of In Sides they mention that Dwr Budr is > >Welsh for "dirty water". So what I'm wondering is: are the > >vocals abstract wordless sounds (which is what they sound like > >to my Americal ears), or are they actual lyrics in Welsh? > > I don't know Welsh. But I do detect someone singing the word "beautiful"... > > > > aL > -- > Alden Arzaga > broohaha@xnet.com > http://www.xnet.com/~broohaha > "There are three types of people.... Those who can count and those who can't." > - Anonymous > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bigsixty@aol.com Subject: Re: re:In Sides/"Dwr Budr"...lyrics? Date: 26 Jul 1996 17:11:49 -0400 Hey Steve, what are you doing? Your gonna have a bunch of freaks sampling everything they hear and playing it backwards. If they are lyrics, tell us, if not, don't freak us out... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: XENOPHON Subject: Re: KMFDM Date: 26 Jul 1996 14:17:19 -0700 (PDT) My favorite KMFDM album is Angst. By far. KMFDM is a great band, but they seem to have a habit of throwing on a couple of cheezy songs onto what would otherwise be a buttkicking album. Maybe it's to continue pounding out the albums at that pace. Money is not to bad. Has Money and Sex on the Flag, Vogue, Help us Save us..., etc. Probably a close second. If you like the older sound, try to get a 12" of More and Faster b/w Rip the System. Xenophon After all, the name for my radio show is ripped off from KMFDM - "Sex on the Flag". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: broohaha@xnet.com (Al Arzaga) Subject: Re: re:In Sides/"Dwr Budr"...lyrics? Date: 26 Jul 1996 16:19:49 -0500 >Hey Steve, what are you doing? Your gonna have a bunch of freaks sampling >everything they hear and playing it backwards. If they are lyrics, tell us, >if not, don't freak us out... Tell it privately, though. I wanna check it out for myself first.. :) aL -- Alden Arzaga broohaha@xnet.com http://www.xnet.com/~broohaha "There are three types of people.... Those who can count and those who can't." - Anonymous ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Dzilvelis" Subject: RE: The industrial connection... Date: 26 Jul 1996 15:28:03 -0600 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB7B07.0D99EE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > leads me to think that somewhere out there there are a lot of hardcore = >industrialists grew older=20 Ouch. I hadn't tied it to age, I think I got into it because it's was a = more refined techno, and I haven't heard any new industrial I've liked = in a while. Ministry has pretty much self-destructed as far as I'm = concerned. I still like NIN though... =20 I'll probably get blasted for this, but... I kind of like Trip-Hop / = Orbital / etc. because I can program to it (at work), not be overly = distracted to it, yet not feel like I'm listening to musak. The beats = and rhythms keep me awake without taking my focus (trance coding?). 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We both went to the same > Orbital show and i got grooved but he got lifted off his feet! He was > internally raving the entire way home. > I do know that my favorite albums right now is Underworld's "Second Toughest > In The Infants" and Orbital's "Insides". Can anyone recommend an excellent > KMFDM album? I know they are excellent, just dont know which album to > get---and which is the best Aphex Album? I care because you do or Selected > Ambient Works 2? What does everyone think of SVEN VATH? What about FSOL"s > ISDN and Accelerator? > > What is a band that is absolutely essential to a music collection, besides > the ones that I have already listed? > You posed a good question with spirituality comment regarding music listening. A background in music appreciation- i.e. classical/jazz is helpful but not necessary only the ability to listen and remember styles and passages. Once a relationship is developed with a musician such as Mozart, Miles Davis or Orbital (there's a combo-eh?) a good listener will retain and assimilate harmonies and styles. What you obviously need is a quality group and Orbital definitely fits into that category. A group such as this always pulls at your soul, and forever craves more. Music touches so many people in so many different ways that it probably should be considered a universal wonderment that defies true explanation. And the music makers should be considered martyrs due to their fabulous gifts for all to enjoy. As far as the groups you mentioned. Next to Orbital, FSOL holds a close place to my heart along with Bjork including every mix she's put out. I like Sven Vath's album's a lot. I listened to Accident in Paradise while trippin in the bizzare land of the Sierra Nevada's just east of Mt. Whitney during spring break -epic! FSOL's Lifeforms is ONE of the best albums put together and I'd better have it with me following Armagedon (if we're still around) that tape is my essential Yosemite tape along with Orbvs Terrvm and the Live 93. The new Electronic is quite good, I also like Banco de Gaia, Young American Primitive, Off and One -Everest, Cocteau Twins, Love Spirals Downwards, Deep Forest, Spicelab is VERY interesting (stay with it and you will be transcended) I was listening to A Day in Planet Spice-something like that, I forgot the title- while hiking in the high country of Yosemite last year when I heard two snow avalanches on the backside of Half Dome- fuckin' wow! I have several compilations that I really dig: Dream INjection vol 1 & 2, Chill Out 1 & 2. THat's all I can think of for now. I hope I gave someone some useful info on this line. I really love the ongoing dialogue that occurs hear. Love Peace and Harmony, fanno :-) "That which does not kill you, will only make you stronger"-Confucious ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fanno Subject: Re: In Sides review Date: 26 Jul 1996 14:51:59 -0700 (PDT) On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, dennis morales jr wrote: > i tend to notice, being in my band, of the critial nature of humanity. > and the toughest critics, are ourselves, the perfectionist musician (in > my case) :: to label something "best" on the In Sides album is, well, its > damn impossible, there are so many factors to consider, & that some are > stronger than others, but maybe were put there purposely or the > composition wouldnt have done some of the things that it does now... > coupled with the fact that music (pure rhythm and melody) is completely > subjective! my bald head is spinning, whew. this taken into account, > > i shall be compiling a review of each song on the album sequentially > from my perspective (who other could it be), > which also, is a very musician's > perspective, and synth junky as well. what i would like to accomplish is > a review that is more than just that; i would like peoples opinions about > sounds, and arrangements, and chord progressions, and moods, etc, etc. > and DETAILS!! (e.g. the sound with the reverse envelope on it at the > beginning of '...Sun in her head' is wonderful, what piece of gear made > it?) i know that some of the > info presented will be over some peoples heads, but that doesnt mean it > shouldnt be reported. i also know some info will be simple and they > might think it would be laughed at, that also should be reported. i > would like feedback on this idea. also, i would compile all the data and > post the "review" somewhere on the net after completion. i want to start > with "Girl with the Sun in her head" first and spend about 5 days on each > song (taking reviews) i would start now, but i have to go to work, so, i > will leave this for you all to tell me what you think and then i will > begin somtime this weekend with my review, starting a new paradigm in > reviewing. later on and on and on. > > ____________________________________________________________ > dennis morales jr dfish@havoc.gtf.gatech.edu > Dreamhouse - http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/dfish/dreamhouse/ > Okay Dennis here is my two cent's on TGWTSIHH. I think of it as beautiful flower early in the day warming up to the sun's rays and waiting to show off its magic to the world. It takes a while to develop it's true beauty, but you know that its gonna be there eventually. As you wait for it's potential to peak, you admire smaller and hidden qualities that may be easily passed up if you weren't intrigued in the first place. Once the beauty is achieved you remain satisfied that you're expectations were met, (even on a daily basis, these expetations continue to be met-amazing isn't it?) Following the peak you hope for a smooth and equally euphoric ride down and Orbital does this time and time again. In fact the secret to any organism's success is its ability to leave the observer wanting more, but always holding back (I guess it's like a sexual conquest). "The Girl with the Sun in Her Head" is such a dreamy and almost hymnal song that it easily allows the listener to achieve spirituality on a regular basis. I hope you enjoyed my contribution, and I look forward to read more input on the web. fanno :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: USCCockNC@aol.com Subject: Re: other good bands? Date: 26 Jul 1996 19:21:46 -0400 tri repetae is pretty good...i'm still getting used to it....i like Amber better. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbriggs@netsync.net Subject: RE: The industrial connection... Date: 26 Jul 1996 20:11:19 -0400 > leads me to think that somewhere out there there are a lot of hardcore >industrialists grew older >Ouch. I hadn't tied it to age, I think I got into it >because it's was a more refined techno, and I haven't >heard any new industrial I've liked in a while. Ministry >has pretty much self-destructed as far as I'm concerned. >I still like NIN though... i would tie it to drugs (al jourgenson got arrested for heroin i believe) which aren't enhancing their music at all in my mind. ministry is not totally dead, but kind of in a coma and only awakes on occasion (reload, brick window, a few other FILTHPIG tracks) but good industrial, save NIN, has just gotten tougher to find. maybe you'd be interested in Die Krupps, KMFDM, Spahn Ranch, Download (a newer group including former skinny puppy members cEvin key and dwayne goettel - who is dead, but i believe they have many recordings and samples of his work that he had done before his heroin overdose. heroin has singlehandedly RUINED the industrial scene, i think. i wish people would think of using their minds before drugs.) anyway... let's see, where was i... a new swedish band - SKOLD; Digital Poodle... i can't really think of any more. there's my commentary on this subject that is way off the subject at hand: orbital... oh well :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbriggs@netsync.net Subject: Re: other bands... -Reply Date: 26 Jul 1996 20:17:49 -0400 i think that the latest der dritte raum (third room) is cool... albeit a little too beaty. but when i hear "geister" it takes me to a neat place... anyone have a discography for the ambush? (spicelab's olivier lieb, i believe...) i have the self titled one and i absolutely treasure it. i think there's one called ambush 2 as well. can anyone verifythis/inform me if there are any more and if there are any places i can get them? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gsxiii@usa.pipeline.com (GS13) Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto mailing list Date: 27 Jul 1996 00:18:55 GMT Used to know of one , something like "zombies@halcyon.com" but i've had no luck w/that address. in the past few weeks i've seen this group go from "wow that orbital concert in Portland was great!"- which you can only read so many times- to this synopsis/analysis/defining genres bend, which i think is very important to listening and understanding groups, especially those with one or two persons at the core- like Orb, Orbital, A.Twin, FSOL, MBM- no longer can they be called "bands", this to me is BonJovi and such which pump out same after same.... they are artists (or an artist) with an expressive idea, like any painter or sculpture. I know shit re: music, can't read it, but i've played with the synths and keyboards and know how hard it can be to get the song out of your head and onto tape. So i paint, design, build, etc., and this gives me a real true sense of appreciation for someone like Jack Dangers, Phil&Paul, or the good Doc. They're asking us to listen and look at a non-visual entity, a wall of sound, which has only to play on emotion. Well, okay, so i really could continue, but i think you can get that brief idea. I dig MBM more than anyone else, but think NIN whines. I even like Thrill Kill because their stuff is (usually) sexual emotion, very simple. I've spent $35 on recommended import techno/dance cd's and hated them, and picked up a ten-buck jungle tape that a friend did (same friend that recommended the cd) and listened to it for months. You really have to try everything. That's why used cd places are great, at least you can trade in shit for something else. gabriel -- "I've done some questionable things in my time..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gsxiii@usa.pipeline.com (GS13) Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto mailing list Date: 27 Jul 1996 00:18:55 GMT Used to know of one , something like "zombies@halcyon.com" but i've had no luck w/that address. in the past few weeks i've seen this group go from "wow that orbital concert in Portland was great!"- which you can only read so many times- to this synopsis/analysis/defining genres bend, which i think is very important to listening and understanding groups, especially those with one or two persons at the core- like Orb, Orbital, A.Twin, FSOL, MBM- no longer can they be called "bands", this to me is BonJovi and such which pump out same after same.... they are artists (or an artist) with an expressive idea, like any painter or sculpture. I know shit re: music, can't read it, but i've played with the synths and keyboards and know how hard it can be to get the song out of your head and onto tape. So i paint, design, build, etc., and this gives me a real true sense of appreciation for someone like Jack Dangers, Phil&Paul, or the good Doc. They're asking us to listen and look at a non-visual entity, a wall of sound, which has only to play on emotion. Well, okay, so i really could continue, but i think you can get that brief idea. I dig MBM more than anyone else, but think NIN whines. I even like Thrill Kill because their stuff is (usually) sexual emotion, very simple. I've spent $35 on recommended import techno/dance cd's and hated them, and picked up a ten-buck jungle tape that a friend did (same friend that recommended the cd) and listened to it for months. You really have to try everything. That's why used cd places are great, at least you can trade in shit for something else. gabriel -- "I've done some questionable things in my time..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gsxiii@usa.pipeline.com (GS13) Subject: RE: Meat Beat Manifesto, Orbital, Trip hop Date: 27 Jul 1996 00:21:12 GMT On Jul 26, 1996 09:34:34, '"Steven Dzilvelis" ' wrote: >It seems that when "Hootie" became 'alternative', I stopped. When Hootie began, i quit listening to radio. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gsxiii@usa.pipeline.com (GS13) Subject: Re: other good bands? Date: 27 Jul 1996 00:26:37 GMT On Jul 26, 1996 11:17:23, 'jbriggs@netsync.net' wrote: >Anyone here >>listen to any Psykosonik? Has anyone ever noticed a bit of religious innuendo in their songs? I gave the cd away when i started hearing god references, but i am a little paranoid;-) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gsxiii@usa.pipeline.com (GS13) Subject: RE: The industrial connection... Date: 27 Jul 1996 01:01:59 GMT leads me to think that somewhere out there there are a lot of hardcore = >industrialists grew older=20 >Ouch. I hadn't tied it to age, I think I got into it because it's was a = >more refined techno, and I haven't heard any new industrial I've >liked = >in a while. Ministry has pretty much self-destructed as far as I'm >concerned... HA! remember that lyric, "you've got to work for love"?! oh crap! i swapped that cassette for Twitch, which was my first listen at techno. Luckily, i discovered MBM's "Armes Audio Warfare" soon after, thanks to Viva@ WaxTrax (who unfortunately should still be doing time in Switzerland for a heroin bust). One band i really miss in My Bloody Valentine, which fucks with my neurons so well- i was sound man at one of their club gigs, and we begged them not to destroy our new system w/ crazy feedback. So naturally when they got to the end of "Soon" ( which i told them was my fave track), all aural hell broke loose, and we were buying new speakers the next day. I'm thirty also, and having gone thru FLA, Ministry, KMFDM, Skinny Puppy (oh those days of youth!), RevCo- i do listen to mellower music now, but to much harsher noise as well- old Throbbing Gristle, "99%", RadioActive Goldfish, MBValentine. Weird, i thought my tastes would have matured, too. -- "we struggle...to remain the same." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gsxiii@usa.pipeline.com (GS13) Subject: re:In Sides/"Dwr Budr"...lyrics? Date: 27 Jul 1996 01:05:12 GMT On Jul 26, 1996 15:33:50, 'steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk' wrote: >>In the NME review of In Sides they mention that Dwr Budr is >>Welsh for "dirty water". So what I'm wondering is: are the >>vocals abstract wordless sounds (which is what they sound like >>to my Americal ears), or are they actual lyrics in Welsh? > >Its certainly not welsh lyrics. Tell you what to do. >SAMPLE the first loop of vocal and then reverse it. >NOW listen to it. Who is that then ? (i was shocked!) I can't sample today, who is it? -- "we struggle...to remain the same." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Gonia Subject: Re: Where can I get Orbital CDs Date: 26 Jul 1996 18:10:37 -0700 Shaun D Rader wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:39:10 +1000 (EST) Geoff Elgey > writes: > > > Can someone recommend a reliable / cheap > >/ efficient store to do mail-order/internet business with? > > I don't know about cheap, but I know http://cdnow.com is reliable. If I > find an import at a local music store in the U.S., I'll end up paying > $9.99 or so for the CD. Through CD Now, it's about $12.95 + shipping. > Not that bad if you really want these singles. > > Shaun Rader I've had trouble w/ CDNow sending stuff other than what I ordered (and not helping me get what I originally wanted). I've found Music Blvd (http://www.musicblvd.com) to be better priced, more reliable, AND if you buy something you don't like they will refund your purchase price on it's return (can't hardly go wrong!). I got Insides from them w/ the free Ep included for 14.99$US. Also Violet Arcana's _In the Scene of the Mind_ for 10.49$US and Timeshard's _Crystal Oscillations_ for 10.49$US. Great music, good price. Good Luck! Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: XENOPHON Subject: RE: The industrial connection... Date: 26 Jul 1996 18:59:56 -0700 (PDT) On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, Steven Dzilvelis wrote: > > > leads me to think that somewhere out there there are a lot of hardcore = > > >industrialists grew older=20 > > Ouch. I hadn't tied it to age, I think I got into it because it's was a = > more refined techno, and I haven't heard any new industrial I've liked = > in a while. Ministry has pretty much self-destructed as far as I'm = > concerned. I still like NIN though... =20 I thought I was the only one who was thinking that! I still run an industrial show at the campus radio station, but yeah, I agree on Ministry! Saw them a few months back. Was a bit surprised. Closed with Stigmata though, so it was pretty cool. Saw Orbital. Crowds were mellow. None of the Ecstasy induced orgies that the media would have us believe (Damn!). A bit of weed, and that's about it. I understand to a lesser extent- I'm 24, drug free, and I don't even drink! Most people into this seem to be in our general realm though as opposed to the 16-20 range. Don't sweat it. > > As far as the transition goes, I still haven't gone to a rave yet, I = > see ENIT is coming here (Denver), so I'll be hitting that, although I = > don't expect that to be too rave-like. I'm drug free, save Absolut = > Citron, and 30 years old, so I'm not sure I'd be able to handle the = > scene. What were the Orbital show crowds like? > I'll prbably be going to ENIT also. Enjoy- Xenophon> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbriggs@netsync.net Subject: re:other bands... Date: 27 Jul 1996 00:14:52 -0400 got the new timeshard - "hunab ku" today radio promo. wow. i had heard some of their stuff - "transmissions from the planet dog" but i was not nearly as impressed with that as i am with the new album. i've also finally gotten to hear the banco de gaia album - one everyone's been telling me i gotta hear - for the first time. they were right... some info - a moby b-side album is coming out on instinct records on aug. 6, i believe. anyone know about some release dates for the new voodoo child, moby and prodigy? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Industrial Princess Subject: Industrialists :) Date: 26 Jul 1996 22:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Having read this newsgroup faithfully for over 6 months now, I am finally hearing stuff that has encouraged me to feel "worthy" of speaking up. (Hope it's not too long!) This is because I only began listening to "good" techno in the last year and a half, thanks to a great friend who's a fiend for it. Anyway, I have gone through many of the stages that I hear a lot of you (or one of you over and over again) describing...such as, what's the diff. between trance/house/rave/jungle/trip, etc. and only in the last while have I become more knowledgeable about the "genre". All I can say is that what people have been responding is most helpful, according to my progression of learning what I like. NEXT POINT, finally leading up to my entire reason for posting: for those of you who are just entering this wonderful music genre, AND like KMFDM, and other industrial-type stuff, you may have similar tastes as mine, and this is where my opinion might be of interest. I do an electro/industrial college radio show in Vancouver off and on, and have found that there is something about the energy/mood/emotion/ attitude of industrial that draws me in, even though it may not be as aesthetically pleasing or complicated as great orbital/prodigy/sven vath/union jack/leftfield. So, I find that I really like hard trance, and ...ok I give up on categorizing because what I like is very diverse, but the bands I just mentioned are my fave, techno-wise. As for industrial, obviously KMFDM rules, but they do have a TON o' cheezoid tunes, too. Angst is great, but very HEAVY on the geeetars, as is NIHIL. Money's a lot of fun--heavy, yet very dancy too, and NAIVE has a bit of both, I find--a very diverse release, but you get sick of it. I agree with what the other person said about XTORT totally. Front 242 is great, and their first 3 releases (FRONT BY FRONT, I forget the other, and TYRANNY FOR YOU) are very characteristic of all their best stuff. Also, all Frontline Assembly stuff is equi-likeable, and if you're into a bit more experimenting electro stuff, try DOWNLOAD (also local Vanc. stuff). Lots of local Vanc. industrial that's great too: Numb (all great), Unit 187, Discipline of Anarchy, etc. Back to ORBITAL, though, I totally appreciate everyone's contributions about websites and magazines including orbital articles,etc. and these suggestions have led me to hours and hours of endless entertainment. OK, enough of your time for now. Thanks :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lysergic Subject: Re: Industrialists :) Date: 27 Jul 1996 02:54:59 -0400 (EDT) not to be totally anal but front 242's first three albums were Geography, No Comment and Official Version... the others came later... as far as 242 goes, if you can find it, mut@ge.mix@ge is a compilation of the more trancey remixes of 242 songs... outstanding stuff... in the frontline assembly vein, i urge each and every one of you to buy Intermix, Noise Unit and Delerium... they are all frontline side projects, a little less hardcore, a little more dancey... Download - Aug 6 in Houston... bought my tickets today! Yippee!!! take care all... -lysergic >Front 242 is great, and their first 3 releases (FRONT BY FRONT, I >forget the other, and TYRANNY FOR YOU) are very characteristic of all >their best stuff. Also, all Frontline Assembly stuff is equi-likeable, >and if you're into a bit more experimenting electro stuff, try DOWNLOAD >(also local Vanc. stuff). Lots of local Vanc. industrial that's great >too: Numb (all great), Unit 187, Discipline of Anarchy, etc. > >Back to ORBITAL, though, I totally appreciate everyone's contributions >about websites and magazines including orbital articles,etc. and these >suggestions have led me to hours and hours of endless entertainment. > >OK, enough of your time for now. Thanks :) > > ################################################## # ...a bag of beads and some fishing line... # # these are some of the things you left behind...# ################################################## -- # become one with the lysergic dream # # e-mail for more info # # check out post-mortem telepathy at: # # http://home.earthlink.net/~lysergic # ################################################## ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: noctum Subject: damnit.. Date: 27 Jul 1996 03:34:29 -0500 will someone PLEASE DO US ALL A FAVOR AND FIND OUT SOME DATES! THANK YOU :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Horner" Subject: RE: Meat Beat Manifesto, Orbital, Trip hop Date: 27 Jul 1996 11:22:08 +0100 I don't know if this has been mentioned before but here is an official MBM web site at: http://www.brainwashed.com/mbm/ Lee. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbriggs@netsync.net Subject: Re: Industrialists :) Date: 27 Jul 1996 10:18:45 -0400 do you have any other download dates, preferably for northeast us/ontario area? On Sat, 27 Jul 1996, lysergic wrote: > >not to be totally anal but front 242's first three albums were Geography, No >Comment and Official Version... the others came later... as far as 242 goes, >if you can find it, mut@ge.mix@ge is a compilation of the more trancey >remixes of 242 songs... outstanding stuff... in the frontline assembly vein, >i urge each and every one of you to buy Intermix, Noise Unit and Delerium... >they are all frontline side projects, a little less hardcore, a little more >dancey... > >Download - Aug 6 in Houston... bought my tickets today! Yippee!!! > > > take care all... > > -lysergic > > >>Front 242 is great, and their first 3 releases (FRONT BY FRONT, I >>forget the other, and TYRANNY FOR YOU) are very characteristic of all >>their best stuff. Also, all Frontline Assembly stuff is equi-likeable, >>and if you're into a bit more experimenting electro stuff, try DOWNLOAD >>(also local Vanc. stuff). Lots of local Vanc. industrial that's great >>too: Numb (all great), Unit 187, Discipline of Anarchy, etc. >> >>Back to ORBITAL, though, I totally appreciate everyone's contributions >>about websites and magazines including orbital articles,etc. and these >>suggestions have led me to hours and hours of endless entertainment. >> >>OK, enough of your time for now. Thanks :) >> >> > > > ################################################## > # ...a bag of beads and some fishing line... # > # these are some of the things you left behind...# > ################################################## >-- # become one with the lysergic dream # > # e-mail for more info # > # check out post-mortem telepathy at: # > # http://home.earthlink.net/~lysergic # > ################################################## > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbriggs@netsync.net Subject: Re: Industrialists :) Date: 27 Jul 1996 10:24:29 -0400 anyone ever heard of out out? numb is great too. as for kmfdm they're great just occasionally churn out that cheesy tune like inane. i'm sorry the repeated "kmfdm-blah blah blah blah" just makes me think the same way i do about rappers who can't stop talking about how great they are. but i can forgive them because they put out stuff like "craze" and "godlike" ;) On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, Industrial Princess wrote: > >Having read this newsgroup faithfully for over 6 months now, I am finally >hearing stuff that has encouraged me to feel "worthy" of speaking up. >(Hope it's not too long!) > >This is because I only began listening to "good" techno in the last year >and a half, thanks to a great friend who's a fiend for it. Anyway, I >have gone through many of the stages that I hear a lot of you (or one of >you over and over again) describing...such as, what's the diff. between >trance/house/rave/jungle/trip, etc. and only in the last while have I >become more knowledgeable about the "genre". All I can say is that what >people have been responding is most helpful, according to my progression >of learning what I like. > >NEXT POINT, finally leading up to my entire reason for posting: for >those of you who are just entering this wonderful music genre, AND like >KMFDM, and other industrial-type stuff, you may have similar tastes as >mine, and this is where my opinion might be of interest. > >I do an electro/industrial college radio show in Vancouver off and on, >and have found that there is something about the energy/mood/emotion/ >attitude of industrial that draws me in, even though it may not be as >aesthetically pleasing or complicated as great orbital/prodigy/sven >vath/union jack/leftfield. So, I find that I really like hard trance, >and ...ok I give up on categorizing because what I like is very diverse, >but the bands I just mentioned are my fave, techno-wise. > >As for industrial, obviously KMFDM rules, but they do have a TON o' >cheezoid tunes, too. Angst is great, but very HEAVY on the geeetars, as >is NIHIL. Money's a lot of fun--heavy, yet very dancy too, and NAIVE has >a bit of both, I find--a very diverse release, but you get sick of it. I >agree with what the other person said about XTORT totally. > >Front 242 is great, and their first 3 releases (FRONT BY FRONT, I >forget the other, and TYRANNY FOR YOU) are very characteristic of all >their best stuff. Also, all Frontline Assembly stuff is equi-likeable, >and if you're into a bit more experimenting electro stuff, try DOWNLOAD >(also local Vanc. stuff). Lots of local Vanc. industrial that's great >too: Numb (all great), Unit 187, Discipline of Anarchy, etc. > >Back to ORBITAL, though, I totally appreciate everyone's contributions >about websites and magazines including orbital articles,etc. and these >suggestions have led me to hours and hours of endless entertainment. > >OK, enough of your time for now. Thanks :) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bigsixty@aol.com Subject: Prodigy Crappy?????? Date: 27 Jul 1996 11:13:55 -0400 hey GS13, I am glad you agree with me on the Chem Bros, but you threw me for a loop when you said that "Music for the Gilted Generation" was crap. Wow. I have to say no way. It is bad. The first song just blows my mind, and from there, I go nuts. I understand that it progressed from the industrial phase, but Prodigy goes way beyond. "Experience" was pretty groundbreaking in the U.S. at the time. Gilted Generation is just a mature follow up. And the last three, The Narcotic Suite, are just so moving. He doesn't try to plagiarize, he just finds cool sounding phrases. And now, Firestarter, with their own lyrics. Incredible. I hope you will give the new album in September it's place in your CD player. It will be good. I have no doubt... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bigsixty@aol.com Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto/NIN whines? Date: 27 Jul 1996 11:14:39 -0400 NIN does whine, but there are a lot of things in this world that make people whine. You have to listen to his music over and over. I have for about 6 years now. He may have gotten too big, and therefore trendy, but my God to listen to the array of emotions on Downward Spiral, or to feel his sorrow on Pretty Hate Machine. He is really a musical genious. My one copmplaint is that he lost his dance style. His first album grooved more, bust his last album said more. I wish he would do some deep trance, I bet it would be incredible. By the way, I went to www.nin.com out of curiosity and found only "Coming Soon: Downgrade"... Does anybody know if that is an official site, or what the hell it is? Thrill Kill Kult was pretty cool. Their old stuff was good, but after sexplosion they lost it. Kooler than Jesus had some cool tracks. KMFDM had some nice stuff too, but it all sounds similar... Ministry lost it after their live album (which if you are ever in a bad mood, you have to listen to - loud - Yay). Skinny Puppy was weird, but some of their mixes paved the way for some dance music. MBM still rocks though. I like your comment towards the end. Try everything. I love jungle. It seems to be a "logical progression"... Too much blab... Tyler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Byrne Subject: leaving the list Date: 27 Jul 1996 13:33:40 BST how do I get off the list please? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lysergic Subject: Re: Industrialists :) Date: 27 Jul 1996 09:25:02 -0700 (PDT) i beleive the dates are at the ticketbastard online site... check it out... -lysergic At 10:18 AM 7/27/96 -0400, you wrote: >do you have any other download dates, preferably for northeast us/ontario area? > >On Sat, 27 Jul 1996, lysergic wrote: >> >>not to be totally anal but front 242's first three albums were Geography, No >>Comment and Official Version... the others came later... as far as 242 goes, >>if you can find it, mut@ge.mix@ge is a compilation of the more trancey >>remixes of 242 songs... outstanding stuff... in the frontline assembly vein, >>i urge each and every one of you to buy Intermix, Noise Unit and Delerium... >>they are all frontline side projects, a little less hardcore, a little more >>dancey... >> >>Download - Aug 6 in Houston... bought my tickets today! Yippee!!! >> >> >> take care all... >> >> -lysergic >> >> >>>Front 242 is great, and their first 3 releases (FRONT BY FRONT, I >>>forget the other, and TYRANNY FOR YOU) are very characteristic of all >>>their best stuff. Also, all Frontline Assembly stuff is equi-likeable, >>>and if you're into a bit more experimenting electro stuff, try DOWNLOAD >>>(also local Vanc. stuff). Lots of local Vanc. industrial that's great >>>too: Numb (all great), Unit 187, Discipline of Anarchy, etc. >>> >>>Back to ORBITAL, though, I totally appreciate everyone's contributions >>>about websites and magazines including orbital articles,etc. and these >>>suggestions have led me to hours and hours of endless entertainment. >>> >>>OK, enough of your time for now. Thanks :) >>> >>> >> >> >> ################################################## >> # ...a bag of beads and some fishing line... # >> # these are some of the things you left behind...# >> ################################################## >>-- # become one with the lysergic dream # >> # e-mail for more info # >> # check out post-mortem telepathy at: # >> # http://home.earthlink.net/~lysergic # >> ################################################## >> >> > > ################################################## # ...a bag of beads and some fishing line... # # these are some of the things you left behind...# ################################################## -- # become one with the lysergic dream # # e-mail for more info # # check out post-mortem telepathy at: # # http://home.earthlink.net/~lysergic # ################################################## ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Cerman Subject: re:other bands... Date: 27 Jul 1996 11:05:46 -0600 (MDT) On Sat, 27 Jul 1996 jbriggs@netsync.net wrote: > some info - a moby b-side album is coming out on instinct records on aug. 6, > i believe. Yes, it is. The first disc contains 11 rare old tracks (some rarer than others), and the bonus disc contains a megamix of 13 different mixes of "Go". Full details are available in the Moby discography at http://phantom.mindvox.com/~hymn/moby/info/mobydisc.txt > anyone know about some release dates for the new voodoo child, moby 15 Jul 1996 - Voodoo Child: "The End Of Everything" album 29 Jul 1996 - Voodoo Child: "Dog Heaven" single 6 Aug 1996 - Moby: "Rare: The Collected B-Sides" 2CD 26 Aug 1996 - Moby: "That's When I Reach For My Revolver" single 23 Sep 1996 - Moby: "Animal Rights" album For more information, see the discography. The new Moby album, which as I understand it consists of basically rock music, will not be released in the US until next February. God bless, Daniel Cerman dcerman@nyx.net http://www.mindvox.com/~hymn/moby.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: H Lo Subject: Re: other bands... -Reply Date: 27 Jul 1996 13:28:46 -0400 (EDT) I would suggest FSOL's Lifeforms also. Don't forget Frontline Assembly's Plasticity... You want high energy music? That's all you need. Hans Lo (95001206) email:(hlo@novice.uwaterloo.ca) (519)885-2154 Joint Honours PoliSci/History University of Waterloo. Pacific Standard Timezone On 26 Jul 1996 gandalf@wnc.com wrote: > Hmm, Front Line Assembly.. I would also recommend 'Tactical Neiral > Implant'. It's pretty groovy, as well. As for FSOL, I have ISDN and > Accelerator, and would definitely recommend Accelerator highly. ISDN's > cool, too, but Accelerator is excellent. > -G > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: H Lo Subject: Re: The industrial connection... Date: 27 Jul 1996 13:30:38 -0400 (EDT) I agree with you. It's not that I don't enjoy industrial all that much anymore, it's that I'm diversifying my tastes. I've been listening to FLA since 1989. Orbital only since 1993. Right now, my two collections are relatively equal even though FLA has a lot more out there. I also go for the softer FLA. I'm mostly impressed with Bill and Rhys's electron music ability, and not with the harsh vocals or lyrics. Hans Lo (95001206) email:(hlo@novice.uwaterloo.ca) (519)885-2154 Joint Honours PoliSci/History University of Waterloo. Pacific Standard Timezone On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, Parminder Basran wrote: > > Fellow Orbitals, > > Am I hearing a lot of Industrialist turning mellow? > I certainly fit within this category! Hearing all this > talk about FLA, KMFDM, and MBM leads me to think that > somewhere out there there are a lot of hardcore industrialists > grew older and eventually reduced the amount of Nihilism in > their lives. Not that I don't need my fixing of a little > BRAPPING once and a while, I just kinda mellowed out > over the years. Autechre really spun me over as a great > turning point wrt to this musical context. > > By the way, did you know that Autechre's fav. concert date > was in Montreal, Canada? That is something else us few > Canucks can be proud of. > > > Parminder > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: XENOPHON Subject: Re: Download :) Date: 27 Jul 1996 10:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Hey! I was going to say the same thing on the Front 242 trip. As far as Download is concerned, they played Portland Or last night and they are playing in Eugene tonight. I'm there! Xenophon On Sat, 27 Jul 1996 jbriggs@netsync.net wrote: > do you have any other download dates, preferably for northeast us/ontario area? > > On Sat, 27 Jul 1996, lysergic wrote: > > > >not to be totally anal but front 242's first three albums were Geography, No > >Comment and Official Version... the others came later... as far as 242 goes, > >if you can find it, mut@ge.mix@ge is a compilation of the more trancey > >remixes of 242 songs... outstanding stuff... in the frontline assembly vein, > >i urge each and every one of you to buy Intermix, Noise Unit and Delerium... > >they are all frontline side projects, a little less hardcore, a little more > >dancey... > > > >Download - Aug 6 in Houston... bought my tickets today! Yippee!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: USCCockNC@aol.com Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto/NIN whines? Date: 27 Jul 1996 13:51:04 -0400 glad to see someone mention Thirll Kill Cult-they've been a fave of mine, but I was dissapointed with the last album (Hit 'n Run Holiday) AND when i saw them here in Charlotte at the Pterodactyl Club--very dissapointing show. Oh well, Sexplosion and 13 Above the Night are still cool, and no one can touch Confessions of a Knife. great stuff.... and by the way.....just when NIN were being accused of getting too popular.....i've been told trent has said the next album will sound NOTHING like they have done in the past....can't wait to hear what it's like...... wouldn't it be cool to have him focus on his more ambient stuff, at least for one album? Songs like "a Warm place" are quite beautiful..... i was also glad to see trent telling an interviewer that he really admires Aphex Twin...he thinks he's amazing...i'm sure most of us agree! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Plump Subject: Re: West Coast House Date: 27 Jul 1996 11:05:42 -0700 (PDT) On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, Eric Osborn wrote: > Okay i know this is the wrong place and all but does anybody out there > know alot about west coast (SF Prefered) american house (i.e. Dj Dan) > > any replies are greatly welcomed you might want to ask on the sfraves mailing list... Want the subscription info? orbital@teleport.com sprays his llamas with a new all-purpose cleanser. "If you absolutely HAVE to eat that, maybe you should at least fry it!" --Joe Dietz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: noctum Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto/NIN whines? Date: 27 Jul 1996 14:42:42 -0500 At 11:14 AM 7/27/96 -0400, you wrote: >NIN does whine, but there are a lot of things in this world that make people >whine. You have to listen to his music over and over. I have for about 6 >years now. He may have gotten too big, and therefore trendy, but my God to >listen to the array of emotions on Downward Spiral, or to feel his sorrow on >Pretty Hate Machine. He is really a musical genious. My one copmplaint is >that he lost his dance style. His first album grooved more, bust his last >album said more. I wish he would do some deep trance, I bet it would be >incredible. By the way, I went to www.nin.com out of curiosity and found >only "Coming Soon: Downgrade"... Does anybody know if that is an official >site, or what the hell it is? first of all.. shutup.. nin is the worst. .and trent has NO TALENT.. talent is orbital.. they are musical genuises.. trent is a wuss that has no better way to express his emotions than to write a song and cry about god and his hatred and sorrow.. >Thrill Kill Kult was pretty cool. Their old stuff was good, but after >sexplosion they lost it. Kooler than Jesus had some cool tracks. KMFDM had >some nice stuff too, but it all sounds similar... Ministry lost it after >their live album (which if you are ever in a bad mood, you have to listen to >- loud - Yay). Skinny Puppy was weird, but some of their mixes paved the way >for some dance music. MBM still rocks though. > >I like your comment towards the end. Try everything. I love jungle. It >seems to be a "logical progression"... > Skinny Puppy.. Dance music.. hmmmm. . lemme think about that one.. -noctum@cris.com http://www.cris.com/~noctum die die die ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: noctum Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto/NIN whines? Date: 27 Jul 1996 14:46:40 -0500 At 01:51 PM 7/27/96 -0400, you wrote: >glad to see someone mention Thirll Kill Cult-they've been a fave of mine, but >I was dissapointed with the last album (Hit 'n Run Holiday) AND when i saw >them here in Charlotte at the Pterodactyl Club--very dissapointing show. Oh >well, Sexplosion and 13 Above the Night are still cool, and no one can touch >Confessions of a Knife. great stuff.... > >and by the way.....just when NIN were being accused of getting too >popular.....i've been told trent has said the next album will sound NOTHING >like they have done in the past....can't wait to hear what it's like...... > wouldn't it be cool to have him focus on his more ambient stuff, at least >for one album? Songs like "a Warm place" are quite beautiful..... > >i was also glad to see trent telling an interviewer that he really admires >Aphex Twin...he thinks he's amazing...i'm sure most of us agree! > why is everyone talking about nin? what does orbital have to do with this? nin is a mtv sellout.. just add one to the generation of idiots and people that have nothing better to do than sit around and bask in their "i love mtv" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cdaraghy@exit109.com (charlie daraghy) Subject: Records for Sale? Date: 27 Jul 1996 15:54:42 -0400 Hey all, I lost my job and am trying to scrounge some cash for the next few weeks, so I'm selling some records/cd's.... Sorry for the spacing, I made this list in 10 point text in my WP, and unless you made your email window REAL wide, the spacing will be all messed up. CD's / CD Singles ------------- A Certain Ratio - Loosen up your mind / The planet 4 track UK cd single 2 mixes of each $5 Autechre - Garbage ep 4 mixes UK Warp $5 CJ Bolland - Live at Universe 4/93 5 tracks, including "Camargue" R&S Belgium made in Austria $9 Cabaret Voltaire - Micro-phonies 11 tracks includes 12" mixes of "blue heat" and "sensoria" Virgin UK $10 Cabaret Voltaire - Covenant, Sword, Arm of the Lord 12 tracks UK Virgin $10 Chemical Brothers - Exit Planet Dust lp Astralwerks/caroline $8 Citizen Z vs the Z continuum - Fluxus and the Fist 4 track techno concept EP by "pylon king"/voices of kwahn $5 Cocteau Twins - I Wear Your Ring 1 track US Promo CD (lp version) DPRO-79498 sticker/no picture cd. $8 Cocteau Twins - Violaine parts 1 and 2 each with 2 exclusive new tracks each! $11 each Cosmic Baby - 23 4 tracks: oh supergirl, sweet dreams for kaa, sos (save our soals), Aquarius Orbit $18 Cranes - Wings of Joy debut lp reminiscent of Cocteau Twins "Garlands" uk/dedicated $10 The Creatures (Siouxsie & Budgie) - Fury Eyes us remix 6 trk cd 3 mixes, 1 mix of standing there + 2 $5 Curve - Frozen 4 tracks inc. "Coast is Clear" UK Anxious records ANX cd30 tension rock similar to Garbage $8 Deep Forest - Deep Forest - the ambient mixes 6 mixes, "alcatraz" mix by Marc Spoon (Jam & Spoon) $7 Depeche Mode - Chronicles x1 and x2 box set. 8 cd's total. Japanese only, Alpha records. SEALED. $220 Depeche Mode - Never let Me down again german cd single 4 tracks $5 Depeche Mode - Behind the Wheel german cd single 4 tracks $5 Devo - Disco Dancer DELTED US 3" 4 track remix cd mixes by Ivan Ivan $15 Dubstar - Elevator Song part 2 with 3 non-lp tracks, 3 mixes, 2 by d'stilld and 1 by Biff & Memphis $11 each 808 State - Bombadin /Marathon UK $10 808 State - ninety UK version mixes different than US version + 1 non US track $20 808 State - Plan 9 UK lp mix, guitars on fire mix, nmbambi (april showers mix), olympic (word mix) $10 Electronic - Getting Away with it 3 tracks FACD257 cd single $5 Electronic - Feel Every Beat UK 4 tracks 7", DNA mix, Second to None, Lean to the Inside 664 671 $10 =46rankie Goes to Hollywood - Relax 1994 mixes US 5 tracks including 2 by Jam & Spoon, & orig. 12" mix $10 =46ront Line Assembly - Digital Tension Dimensia 3 tracks WaxTrax includes "Vexation" & "Big Money" remix $5 Garbage - Stupid Girl (part 1) with single mix, Red Snapper mix, Driving Lesson, Dog New Tricks (PAL mix) $11 Into Paradise - Self titled lp 1990 Chrysalis/Ensign guitar/alternative rock, similar to Echo & the Bunnymen $2 Joy Division - Still Original FACTORY records release FACD40 20 tracks $15 Meat Beat Manifesto - Armed Audio Warfare lp 11 tracks. WaxTrax lots of funk, dub, rap, and noise $7 Nine Inch Nails - Head Like a Hole 4 mixes 10 tracks, Halo3 TVT 2615-2 also 2 mixes of "terrible lie", 3 of "down in it" and "you know who you are" $12 Gary Numan/Tubeway Army - 2 lps on 1 cd. "Dance" & "Tubeway Army" 18 tracks UK Beggars Banquet $12 Orb / FFWD - FFWD lp Robert Fripp, Thomas Fehlman, kris weston, & alex paterson 12 trks trippy/ambient $12 The Fireman (Orb & Paul McCartney) - Strawberries Oceans Ships Forest 9 tracks/mixes UK EMI $10 Orbital - Radiccio ep 3 tracks (Halcyon, Naked & the Dead, Sunday) $7 Benjamin Orr / The Cars - The Lace lp 1986 Elektra $2 The Pixies - Monkey Gone to Heaven US ltd 4 track cd w/Manta Ray, Weird at my School, Dance the Manta Ray $5 Pop Will Eat Itself - Go Box Frenzy lp original pressing on US Rough Trade $12 Reload / Global Communication - Auto Reload EP vol. 2 5 tracks, including black dog mix. GREAT ambient. $10 Renegade Soundwave - Thunder US CD single 6 tracks, including 2 of "biting my nails" $5 Seefeel - Pure, Impure 6 tracks, 2 by aphex twin songs from lp "Quique" and then some! UK Too Pure $7 Spicelab - Lost in Spice lp Harthouse records Oliver Lieb 1994 project 5 tracks $7 =B5-ziq - In Pine Effect lp US Astralwerks hard edged Aphex Twin sound= $6 The Wonder Stuff / Mission UK - Promo Deliverance tour 1990 6 tracks by each group $10 Xymox - Twist of Shadows 1989 lp US Polygram 10 trks feat "Obsession" anthem synthpop/rock/gloom sound $5 Various Artists - FFRR artists promo sampler. U96, One Dove (fallen, white love 11:11 which I think is a promo-only mix), Vapourspace (theme from, and arch of 10), Orbital (lush & halcyon), and the fantastic cut by Tranquility Bass: "Cantamilla" PRDC 045-2 $10 Cassettes ------- Art of Noise - (Who's Afraid of) The Art of Noise lp TEST PRESSING CASSETTE! from Specialty Records Corp. $6 Nitzer Ebb - "As Is" ep 2 tapes total of 4 tracks in special box $8 Red Flag - Naive Art deleted US album $6 Violent Femmes - 3 on 3 an hour of conversation and music from their fourth album "3" WB/sire sleeve $5 12" records --------- A-ha - On Tour in Brazil 10 track compilation lp WB (Brazil) includes poster $15 Altered Images - Pinky Blue US lp 11 tracks $10 Altered Images - Happy Birthday / I Could Be Happy US PROMO w/ long and short versions of each. Rare! $20 Altered Images - See Those Eyes (extended) 5:33, (single) 3:07 How about That Then 3:23 $10 Arcadia / Duran Duran - The Flame US 12" Extended 7:20 and Yo Homeboy mix 4:05 by Nile Rogers, and "Election Day" (Early Rough mix by Larry Alexander) 8:41 $12 Art of Noise - Beatbox (diversions 1 and 2, black generic sleeve) ZTIS108 $10 Cabaret Voltaire - Microphonies lp includes "Sensoria" $5 Camouflage - Handsome (Psycho Ray mix), This Day (lp mix), Love is a Shield (William Orbit mix) German $10 Cause & Effect - You Think You Know Her US 6 mixes, by Tony Garcia Exile Records $6 Cocteau Twins - Heaven or las Vegas promo 12" includes lp mix, video version/edit, and "Dials" $10 The Communards - Interview picture disk on BaktoBak records $12 The Communards - Disenchanted (extended) b/w Annie, and Johnny Verso LONX 89 $12 Dead or Alive - Baby Don't Say Goodbye 5 mixes of "Nude" album track. Epic, white sleeve $5 =46orgotten Memories - Megamix on Gran-T records GR2321B using Doobie Bro= s - Kraftwerk 4 tracks $5 Depeche Mode - Just Can't Get Enough (Schizo mix) b/w Any Second Now (altered) UK "mummy" sleeve $12 Depeche Mode - Just Can't Get Enough (schizo mix) b/w Any Second now German "Cat" cover $12 Depeche Mode - the much wanted BIG MUFF promo 12". US 4 track promo sampler including Big Muff 4:21, Photographic 4:58, No Disco 4:13, and Boys Say Go 3:04 white WB sleeve $50 Depeche Mode - Shake the Disease b/w Flexible remixed/extended 12 Bong 8 German marble Vinyl $20 Depeche Mode - Question of Time German/Gray Vinyl New Town mix, live remix, Black Celbration (black tulip mix), and More Than a Party (live remix) L12 Bong 12 $18 Depeche Mode - Behind the Wheel ltd. Beatmasters mix 7:58, Little 15 Casualty Mix 10:38 L12 Bong15 $15 Depeche Mode - Everything Counts ltd. Bomb the Bass mix, Nothing (Justin Strauss), Strangelove L12 Bong16 $15 Depeche Mode - Speechless People live Cologne, 1988 10 tracks from Music for the Masses, and "Pipeline" $15 Depeche Mode - On U-sound Strangemix, Photogenic, Deathwish. re-recorded mixes! sealed $12 Depeche Mode / Bogus Brothers - Violation 15 2 mixes of 'Little 15' with beats. vocal/dub sealed $12 Depeche Mode / Kraftwerk - Sevant and Mastermix & German Kraft Gran-T records. Excellent megamix $10 Devo - That's Good US PROMO extended, with "Speed Racer" extended, and "Big Mess" b&w WB potatoe sleeve $15 Devo - Jerkin' Back and Forth US PROMO 3:01, Going Under 3:26, Through Being Cool 3:11 $10 Die Krupps with Nitzer Ebb - The Machineries of Joy 4 mixes US feat. Ralph Dorper (Propaganda) $6 Biting Tongues (Graham Massey) - Loveout / Surrender 4 tracks CUT 12 004 Cut Deep/France $12 808 State - Quadrastate 6 tracks CREED records State004 = $18 808 State vs MC Tunes - The Only Rhyme That Bites 2 mixes ZANG 3T $7 808 State - Ninety UK album mixes are different than US's 8 tracks $9 Also on CD for $20 808 State - Pacific US Promo 12" (same sleeve as regular) 6 mixes: 0101, 909, break, 212, 516, 718 $8 808 State - Pacific UK Zang1T 4 tracks 202, origin, 303, Cobra Bora Shortcut $10 808 State - Olympic/Cubik Zang5T Cubik: Original, Pan Am mix Olympic: Euro Bass, Flutey mix $10 808 State - Olympic REMIX Ltd.ed ZANG5TX Cubik (tomix), Olympic (August 90), Lambrusco Cowboy Mix $18 808 State - Ooops LTD Zang19TX Utsula Head mix, and Mellow Birds mix = $8 808 State - In Yer Face LTD Zang14TX Facially yours remix, Leo Leo Poonchanting Instrumental $15 808 State - Timebomb (fon mix), Nimbus, 2 mixes of Reaper Repo Zang 33T $3 808 State - Gorgeous+Disco Disc 5 tracks: Sexy Synthesizer, Femme Deluxe, Lemon, Purple Dust, Sexy Dancer $18 808 State - Plan 9 Choki Galaxy Mix, Guitars on Fire mix, and Olympic (the WORD mix) ZANG38T $7 Erasure - Who Needs Love Like that L12MUTE40 LIMITED! Mexican Mix b/w Push me Shove Me (Tacos Mix) $45 Erasure - Who Needs Love Like That US 4 trks, 2 mixes of "Who Needs", 1 "Push me" and 1 "Heavenly Action" $7 Erasure - Oh L'amour 12MUTE45 THOMAS THE TANK SLEEVE! UK w/March on Down the Line, Gimme Gimme $35 Erasure - Circus PROMO 12" sampler, custom slv 4 trks: Victim of Love, Don't Dance, Hideaway, If I Could $15 Erasure - Chains of Love Promo sleeve 6 mixes and "Dont Suppose" (country joe mix) $5 Erasure - Stop! promo 7" and 12" versions PRO-A-3471 $5 Erasure - Supernature! beautiful dye-cut sleeve XLMUTE99 3 tracks Supernature (daniel miller/Phil Legg mix), You S. Me (Gareth Jones mix) indian drums in this mix!, Supernature (Mark Saunders mix) EXCLUSIVE mixes $30 Erasure - Blue Savannah LTD Embossed sleeve L12MUTE109 Dutch Mix 2, No GDM (unifinished mix) + 1 $12 Erasure - Star TEST PRESSING from specialty records 3 mixes & dreamlike state + WB press sheet $20 Erasure - Love to Hate You 12" mix, La La La, Vitamin C 12 Mute 131 = $5 Erasure - Am I Right? limited 12" L12Mute134 4 tracks: Am I right? (Grid mix), Love to Hate You (LFO), Chorus (vegan mix), B3 (instrumental only on this 12" and japanese cd single) $12 Erasure - Chorus (Vegan mix by Moby) / Love to Hate you (LFO mix) PROMO white label PL12MUTE134 $25 Erasure - Abba-esque SHOP PROMO the 4 tracks with promo label and white generic Mute sleeve S12Mute144 $9 =46rankie Goes to Hollywood - The Power of Love (picture disk) 12PZTAS5 with 'The World is my Oyster' 'Scrapped & Trapped' and 'Holier than Thou' $12 Global Communication - Maiden Voyage (grid mix, michael brook mix),7'39 (Link application of science mix) $6 Haysi Fantayzee - Battle Hymns for Children Singing lp w/ "Shiny Shiny" and "John Wayne is Big Leggy" $8 Heaven 17 - Penthouse and Pavement 2 mixes extended and instrumental $7 Human League - Heart Like a Wheel US 3 track PROMO, 7" (William Orbit), extended (Mark Saunders mix) $7 Information Society - Creatures of Influence 7 TRACK FIRST LP! on Wide Angle/Twin Tone $20 Kraftwerk - Tour De France one of the few US copies of this track. Gray "Spoke" label with 2 mixes, 1 by Fran=E7ois Kervorkian, the other called "French version" WB records 0-20146 $10 Kraftwerk - Musique Non Stop 2 versions 4:08/6:15 UK EMI 12 EMI 5588 picture sleeve $7 Paul Lekakis - You Blow me Away 4 mixes by Shep Pettibone Sire/WB $3 Love & Rockets - All In My Mind EP Embossed sleeve Vertigo/BB Canada 6 tracks including exclusive tracks: Inside the Outside, Lucifer Sam, All in My Mind (acoustic & electric), Angels & Devils, Holiday on the Moon $20 Love & Rockets - Mirror People 4 mixes: lp, slow, 88 edit, 88 re-recording (faster & better!) US/RCA $8 Love & Rockets - Motorcycle/I Feel Speed/Bike/Bikedance UK BEG224T 23 mins $9 Love & Rockets / Tones on Tail - 10 tracks, Situation 2 situ12 lp 4 tracks not on UK or US cd's! $12 Morrissey - Everyday is Like Sunday US with "Disappointed", "Sister I'm a Poet" and "Will Never Marry" $5 Moby - Hymn US PROMO w/ exclusive mix (dirty hypo mix), and Menacing mix, I believe mix, Lucky Orgasm mix $7 Neu! / (ex Kraftwerk) - Rother & Dinger Billingsgate 1001 44 mins, 4 tracks, like VERY early K-werk $12 Nitzer Ebb - Warsaw Ghetto NEP2 UK 2 mixes "killing side" "kissing side" with b&w flat/poster $12 Nitzer Ebb - So Bright, So Strong EP UK 12" NEP1 4 tracks, includes "Isn't it funny how your body works" "crane" "cold war" "the way you live" $12 Nitzer Ebb - I Give to You US PROMO pro-a-4350 4 mixes 'elemental' 'wilder full mix' 'pestilence' 'lp mix' white generic sleeve with custom sticker 'wilder' is exclusive to this promo $10 On-U-Sound - Bits and Grooves 2 tracks "The Rave mix 1990" funky stuff = $5 The Orb - Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain.... BLR 27T orbital dance mix, 9am radio mix, aubrey mk1 $6 The Orb - Little Fluffy Clouds REMIX ltd. BLR 33R drum & vox mix 7:03, 7" mix, Into the 4'th extension 8:54 $12 The Orb - Orb in Dub Towers of Dub (ambient mix) & Perpetual Dawn (Ultrabass 2) BLR R46 $18 Pet Shop Boys - Left to My own Devices disco mix 11:27, 7" 4:45, Sound of Atom Splitting 3:37 US EMI sealed $7 KLF vs Pet Shop Boys - So Hard / It Must be Obvious (UFO mix) 12rx6269 $= 15 Pet Shop Boys - Was It worth it? US Brothers in Rhythm ext mix, dub, Miserablism (moby mix, and 7") $4 Propaganda - Dr. Mabuse 12ZTAS2 the third side (6:33), Femme Fatale (3:18), mabuse the word 4:03 gray slv $8 Red Flag - Count to Three deleted US 6 mixes $8 The Smiths - How Soon is Now original US 12" 1984 with "Girl Afraid" and "How soon is now (edit)" no ps $8 Klaus Schulze - Mindphaser lp 4 tracks German Metronome/Brain 1980 $= 5 Jimmy Somerville - Boxed !! Full Color Poster with 4 tracks: To Love Somebody, Smalltown Boy, Don't Leave me This Way, Comment te dire adieu LONXR281 $20 Jimmy Somverille - Read my Lips 12" ADVANCE DJ COPY FFRR generic sleeve, LONXDJ254 "mix by JZJ" 3 tracks incl. Pascal Gabriel mix (?), dub, 7" version $10 Tangerine Dream - Tyger lp 4 tracks. Lots of femal vocals 1987 Mortal/Caroline records $5 Tangerine Dream - Cyclone lp 3 tracks 1978 Atlantic/Virgin $5 Tears for Fears / The Hooters - Westwood One radio show (live) 3 lp's TFF includes "Mothers Talk" "Broken" "Head over Heels" "Start of the Breakdown" "Prisoner" "Shout" "Everybody Wants to Rule..." "The Hurting" Hooters: "And we Danced" "South Ferry Road" "Hangin'" "Where do the children play" "all you zombies" "Time after time" "Rock and Roll Star" . includes air sheet. Aired 10/26/85 $18 That Petrol Emotion - Chemicrazy PROMO ONLY mixes US DMD1516 Virgin "Abandon" 6:40 (boys own mix by Terry Farley and (Sabres of Paradise) Andy Weatherall, "Hey Venus" 6:15 (Mad Thatcher mix by Kevin Armstrong and Steve Mack), "Sensitize" (sensi mix) 4:25 by Kevin Armstrong and Steve Mack, "Groove Check" 6:57 (Check this Groove Out mix) by Ben Aguilar and Charles Michaels for WUFI radio Miami $12 This Mortal Coil - 16 Days-Gathering Dust (9:00) w/Liz Frazier and members of Modern English, reprise (4:11), Song to the Siren 3:30 scarce 4ad 12" complete with 23envelope sleeve BAD310 $15 Tom Tom Club - Under The Boardwalk (Long Version), "on on on on" (remix), "lorelei" (remix) 12WIP 6762 $10 Torch Song (William Orbit / Strange Cargo) - Prepare to Energize 2 mixes. As heard in the beasteality scene in Tom Hanks' "Bachelor Party"! 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Subject: Orbital, NIN?, and Emotions Date: 27 Jul 1996 16:29:49 -0500 ---------- Sent: Saturday, July 27, 1996 2:42 PM more. I wish he would do some deep trance, I bet it would be >incredible. By the way, I went to www.nin.com out of curiosity and = found >only "Coming Soon: Downgrade"... Does anybody know if that is an = official >site, or what the hell it is? first of all.. shutup.. nin is the worst. .and trent has NO TALENT..=20 talent is orbital.. they are musical genuises.. trent is a wuss that=20 has no better way to express his emotions than to write a=20 song and cry about god and his hatred and sorrow..=20 I half agree with you. I grew tired of old Trent and his preachings of = death, destruction, and sorrow very quickly. But I love most of the = MUSIC, and the remixes. I think his techniques of sampling and = sample-effecting and quite cool. I have tried to duplicate them with = mixed results. Speaking of mix...I especially like a lot of the NIN = remixes....and the ones I have done myself =3D) But... I love Orbital much more than I like old Trent's stuff. As said before = by many, "A Warm Place" is a very peaceful and beautiful acheivement. = Simple rolling synths and backround noise with a simple slow and = somewhat happy guitarish-sample tune. I wish he would do a lot more with = this kind of thing. Or just straight piano stuff. Just pure music. Not a = PREACHY SONG of THAT and THAT and HATRED or something. Intrumentals = effect me more, I believe. They reach real emotions and feelings I = think....not just "I hate you" "I love this" blah blah blah... Any other opinions??? =20 ethan g. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Dewb <72614.2725@compuserve.com> Subject: RE: Meat Beat Manifesto/NIN whines? Date: 27 Jul 1996 17:55:10 EDT >Pretty Hate Machine. He is really a musical genious. My one copmplaint is >that he lost his dance style. His first album grooved more, bust his last >album said more. I wish he would do some deep trance, I bet it would be >incredible. By the way, I went to www.nin.com out of curiosity and found If you want to hear Trent Reznor doing ambient/trancy stuff, buy the PC game Quake. The CD has 10 tracks of original music he made for the game.. there's a couple spots with some thrashing guitar, but most of the time it's eerie, apocalyptic ambience -- a "mood-setter" for the game, but musically valuable on its own. it's very, very scary and very, very good. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Dewb <72614.2725@compuserve.com> Subject: RE: Meat Beat Manifesto/NIN whines? Date: 27 Jul 1996 17:55:14 EDT > wouldn't it be cool to have him focus on his more ambient stuff, at least >for one album? Songs like "a Warm place" are quite beautiful..... ... >i was also glad to see trent telling an interviewer that he really admires >Aphex Twin...he thinks he's amazing...i'm sure most of us agree! That's really interesting! I have been describing Trent's music for Quake (described in the last post) as what Selected Ambient Works Vol II would have sounded like if Aphex was as sick and twisted as Trent.. ..maybe he is taking a swing towards ambience. I agree, that would be very interesting. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: orbital@wwi.net (Anthony Agee) Subject: Orbital and those others Date: 27 Jul 1996 16:56:59 -0500 It goes like this 1. Orbital 2. Aphex Twin 3. Underworld 4. all the rest of them I don't know if maybe I have a problem with my ears or something but I am not familiar with ANY electronic music artists (other than the above) which have had more than one good album with the majority of them having only one good SONG!!! I think it's the fly-by-night nature of the artists (good luck trying to distinguish which is the song title and which is the artist on the back of compilation CDs) is definitely retarding the ascent to popularity of this wonderful music form. I've noticed several postings with Meat Beat Manifesto in the subject...I saw them play and they sucked ass. Moby, KMFDM (or whatever the hell their name is), the whole lot....you can have them. Meanwhile I can pray and hope that the Chemical Brothers put out another good album and that Cabaret Voltaire get back together... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Dewb <72614.2725@compuserve.com> Subject: RE: Meat Beat Manifesto/NIN whines? Date: 27 Jul 1996 17:59:26 EDT > why is everyone talking about nin? what does orbital have to do with this? > nin is a mtv sellout.. just add one to the generation of idiots and people > that have nothing better to do than sit around and bask in their "i love mtv" um.. let me tell you something: people who refuse to listen to things that are played on mtv are on the same side of the fence with people who only listen to things that are on mtv. I don't let a network control my taste in either direction. I agree with you that there is no comparison between the "musical genius" of Orbital and NIN, but that doesn't make NIN unlistenable. Lighten up, dude. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: broohaha@xnet.com (Al Arzaga) Subject: Re: Orbital and those others Date: 27 Jul 1996 17:07:46 -0500 >It goes like this > [snip] >2. Aphex Twin I didn't like "...I care because you do." Is this album a good representation of the stuff they do, cuz I was *far* from impressed. aL -- Alden Arzaga broohaha@xnet.com http://www.xnet.com/~broohaha "There are three types of people.... Those who can count and those who can't." - Anonymous ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Parminder Basran Subject: Re: No more Trent Reznor noise pleeez... Date: 27 Jul 1996 16:38:34 -0600 (MDT) > > Skinny Puppy.. Dance music.. hmmm. . lemme think about that one.. > Whether you agree with me or not, that doesn't really matter, "We're all friends here anyway." But on your note, if you listen to Glassblower (re-mix), from the "Sidewinder" EP (Download, consisting of ex? SP members), you can hear grooves that are soooo thick, you'll want to a) Move like you haven't moved before or b) Remain still and absorb. That shit is deep. Not that it's all dancy, I just think it can be quite influential. By the way, lets not get started on how wonderful/shitty Trent Reznor is. That is exactly why I *stopped* reading the industrial newsgroup. Save that discussion for some other frequency. :) Just picked up EAT STATIC - ABDUCTION. Pretty groovy. I can probably mix it with in with some older Orbital... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Danger Chen Subject: Re: Orbital, NIN?, and Emotions Date: 27 Jul 1996 17:00:18 -0700 (PDT) > > I love Orbital much more than I like old Trent's stuff. As said before > by many, "A Warm Place" is a very peaceful and beautiful acheivement. > Simple rolling synths and backround noise with a simple slow and > somewhat happy guitarish-sample tune. I wish he would do a lot more with > this kind of thing. Or just straight piano stuff. Just pure music. Not a > PREACHY SONG of THAT and THAT and HATRED or something. Intrumentals > effect me more, I believe. They reach real emotions and feelings I > think....not just "I hate you" "I love this" blah blah blah... > > Any other opinions??? > > ethan g. > totally agreed there... NIN got really tired for me after the first few times... after the novelty... then I found Orbital.... mark Mark Chen - Multimedia Guy | 1-503-777-7297 gchen@reed.edu Reed College - CIS | QTVR scenes of Reed and other cool stuff: Portland, OR 97202 | http://www.reed.edu/~gchen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: larsonaj@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Subject: Re: Where can I get Orbital CD's? Date: 27 Jul 1996 20:06:05 -0500 (EST) On Thu, 25 Jul 1996, Shaun D Rader wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:39:10 +1000 (EST) Geoff Elgey > writes: > > > Can someone recommend a reliable / cheap > >/ efficient store to do mail-order/internet business with? > > I don't know about cheap, but I know http://cdnow.com is reliable. If I > find an import at a local music store in the U.S., I'll end up paying > $9.99 or so for the CD. Through CD Now, it's about $12.95 + shipping. > Not that bad if you really want these singles. I've found 2 online stores that have an incredible stock of "intelligent dance music" ...I filled up a whole sheet of paper w/ my want-list. Unfortunately, i'm broke ...and will be for a while :( I've never done business w/ them (or for any online music store for that matter) though. Partly b/c i'm not sure about secure transactions via Netscape yet, but mostly because of my lack of cash flow... check 'em out!: http://ares.csd.net/~albumsup/ http://www.23record.com/ -Andy larsonaj@muohio.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gsxiii@usa.pipeline.com (GS13) Subject: Re: Prodigy Crappy?????? (and more KMFDM) Date: 28 Jul 1996 00:10:28 GMT On Jul 27, 1996 11:13:55, 'Bigsixty@aol.com' wrote: >I hope you will give the new album in >September it's place in your CD player. It will be good. I have no doubt... I'm sure i'll pick it up. In all fairness, i worked on the Gilted release for Mute US, and maybe it was overload listening to it all day, so i was jaded and therefore biased. I'll spin it again & i'm sure i'll like it, except for that KMFDM song ( i do like KMFDM, but really have only listened to UAIOE, which i always sampled for my bumpers and music beds). The Narcotic Suite is great, and i play the remixed "Wind it Up" cd a lot at work. I guess it's the same way i feel about moby, that he's a little over-hyped, and some tracks aren't mixed well. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bigsixty@aol.com Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto/NIN whines? Date: 27 Jul 1996 20:26:01 -0400 NIN rumor: I heard from someone who probably doesn't know much really, but anyway, he said that the new NIN was to be piano. Only Piano. That could be his new thing. Also, about the Aphex Twin stuff, If you check out further down the spiral there are like one and a half tracks done by Aphex Twin. Weird. As far as Aphex goes, I think the ON single is the best thing he has done. It is beautiful. TKK Hit N Run is horrible - but Confessions of a Knife is awesome. True. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gsxiii@usa.pipeline.com (GS13) Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto/NIN whines? Date: 28 Jul 1996 01:46:00 GMT On Jul 27, 1996 13:51:04, 'USCCockNC@aol.com' wrote: >glad to see someone mention Thirll Kill Cult-they've been a fave of mine, but >I was dissapointed with the last album (Hit 'n Run Holiday) AND when i saw >them here in Charlotte at the Pterodactyl Club--very dissapointing show. i saw them at a club that wasn't on their itinerary but a stop between concerts back in '93, and their playback machine broke- they were lip-synching the entire set! and they looked really "suprised" when everyone stopped dancing and they realized what had happened. Needless to say, their set ended quickly, and they got the hell out of that little town before all the frat boys became violent. i've really only listened to " Confessions..." & "Kooler than Jesus", maybe "13 Hours" too, which really shows how old i am. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gsxiii@usa.pipeline.com (GS13) Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto/NIN whines? Date: 28 Jul 1996 01:47:22 GMT On Jul 27, 1996 13:51:04, 'USCCockNC@aol.com' wrote: >glad to see someone mention Thirll Kill Cult-they've been a fave of mine, but >I was dissapointed with the last album (Hit 'n Run Holiday) AND when i saw >them here in Charlotte at the Pterodactyl Club--very dissapointing show. i saw them at a club that wasn't on their itinerary but a stop between concerts back in '93, and their playback machine broke- they were lip-synching the entire set! and they looked really "suprised" when everyone stopped dancing and they realized what had happened. Needless to say, their set ended quickly, and they got the hell out of that little town before all the frat boys became violent. i've really only listened to " Confessions..." & "Kooler than Jesus", maybe "13 Hours" too, which really shows how old i am. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: orbital@wwi.net (Anthony Agee) Subject: Re: Orbital and those others Date: 27 Jul 1996 21:27:28 -0500 >I didn't like "...I care because you do." >Is this album a good representation of the stuff they do, cuz >I was *far* from impressed. > Not necessarily. If you can, try to listen to a copy of "Analogue Bubblebath" or "Selected Ambient Works II" BEFORE you buy....if you can't do that I wouldn't recommend purchasing them as they are both quite *out there*. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: orbital@wwi.net (Anthony Agee) Subject: Quake music Date: 27 Jul 1996 21:30:09 -0500 >If you want to hear Trent Reznor doing ambient/trancy stuff, buy the PC game >Quake. The CD has 10 tracks of original music he made for the game.. there's a >couple spots with some thrashing guitar, but most of the time it's eerie, >apocalyptic ambience -- a "mood-setter" for the game, but musically valuable on >its own. it's very, very scary and very, very good. > I'd be interested in hearing how you managed to get a hold of Quake especially since it has not even been released yet. You must either work for iD, a gaming magazine or you're a pirate. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shan@sirius.com (Shannon Titus) Subject: Re: Good Stuff Date: 27 Jul 1996 21:24:54 -0700 At 2:27 PM 7/18/96, Neil Muir wrote: > Just signed up for this mailing list lark and i must say > it's good stuff . It really helps me through my day at my job . > Orbital top stuff , favorite tune , belfast or impact . > > Have got C.D. of live Orbital at Glastonbury 1994 if anyone > is interested ? > > Also anyone into Black Dog , Underworld etc........ > > Captain Chemist (ICI) > YES!!!! What do I have to do??? Just let me know how you want to handle it. I've been wondering who I have to kill to get some live stuff. Now it looks like I won't have to kill anyone! Whew!! -- Jerry Boonstra boonstra@dnai.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Danger Chen Subject: Re: Quake music Date: 27 Jul 1996 21:35:01 -0700 (PDT) This isn't really the place for this, but Quake shareware .9 has been out for about a month now... where have you been? mark On Sat, 27 Jul 1996, Anthony Agee wrote: > > >If you want to hear Trent Reznor doing ambient/trancy stuff, buy the PC game > >Quake. The CD has 10 tracks of original music he made for the game.. there's a > >couple spots with some thrashing guitar, but most of the time it's eerie, > >apocalyptic ambience -- a "mood-setter" for the game, but musically valuable on > >its own. it's very, very scary and very, very good. > > > > I'd be interested in hearing how you managed to get a hold of Quake > especially since it has not even been released yet. You must either work > for iD, a gaming magazine or you're a pirate. > > Mark Chen - Multimedia Guy | 1-503-777-7297 gchen@reed.edu Reed College - CIS | QTVR scenes of Reed and other cool stuff: Portland, OR 97202 | http://www.reed.edu/~gchen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Dewb <72614.2725@compuserve.com> Subject: RE: Quake music Date: 28 Jul 1996 01:17:25 EDT >>If you want to hear Trent Reznor doing ambient/trancy stuff, buy the PC game >>Quake. The CD has 10 tracks of original music he made for the game.. there's a > >I'd be interested in hearing how you managed to get a hold of Quake >especially since it has not even been released yet. You must either work >for iD, a gaming magazine or you're a pirate. I'm sorry, this is incredibly off-topic, but I must refute this. Quake _has_ been released. id fulfilled all June preorders in the last week. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lysergic Subject: Re: Quake music Date: 28 Jul 1996 01:45:43 -0400 (EDT) actually the shareware version is out and the registered version shipped from id on the 26th... should be arriving at my doorstep any day now... -lysergic At 09:30 PM 7/27/96 -0500, you wrote: > >>If you want to hear Trent Reznor doing ambient/trancy stuff, buy the PC game >>Quake. The CD has 10 tracks of original music he made for the game.. there's a >>couple spots with some thrashing guitar, but most of the time it's eerie, >>apocalyptic ambience -- a "mood-setter" for the game, but musically valuable on >>its own. it's very, very scary and very, very good. >> > >I'd be interested in hearing how you managed to get a hold of Quake >especially since it has not even been released yet. You must either work >for iD, a gaming magazine or you're a pirate. > > > ################################################## # ...a bag of beads and some fishing line... # # these are some of the things you left behind...# ################################################## -- # become one with the lysergic dream # # e-mail for more info # # check out post-mortem telepathy at: # # http://home.earthlink.net/~lysergic # ################################################## ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bigsixty@aol.com Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto/NIN whines? Date: 28 Jul 1996 02:12:17 -0400 >first of all.. shutup.. What? Excuse me? An opinion is nothing that should be blasted upon with such haste. If you don't like it, don't read it, but DEFINATELY do not reply in such a childish manner... >nin is the worst. .and trent has NO TALENT.. At the request of others on this list, I will not even begin to bicker my point. If you don't see his years of Classical training, his intelligent sampling and sound creating, or his use of a solid beat, you are indeed missing out. And there is nothing I can say to you to change your clearly stubborn mind. If you can find no fault with his music other than "trent is a wuss that has no better way to express his emotions than to write a song and cry about god and his hatred and sorrow.. " I think any artist/poet/song-writer/whatever would surely laugh in your face. Thanx ethan g. for your insight. We have tried to recreate some of his techniques as well, and it is not very easy. I am glad you are a music man yourself. It took me about a year to get my best friend to listen to (and then buy) NIN further. He is a music major at FSU and is heavily into electronic music as well. It took him a while to overlook trent's glum outlook and listen to the musical aspects of it. He finally agreed that trent is very musically talented. We both wish for an instrumental album... And thanx to the DEWB. WHat the hell is a DEWB? I hate MTV as well (with the exception of Jenny McCarthy...Rarrrr) but they play 'The Box' on mtv, and I gladly watch it without worrying about Orbital being a sell out. No way. Orbital is the best at what they do. I have loved everything I have ever heard by them with anticipation of only their next release. But they are not the only musical geniouses in the world. How depressing would that be? BUT HEY, I'm not here to discuss talent, nin, or selling out, just dance music, and in particular Orbital. So with that I depart for now. Sorry it was so long, but close minded people get me worked up... Peace to all... Tyler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Subject: leaving the mailing list Date: 28 Jul 1996 13:43:12 +0200 how do I get off the list please? _____________________________________________________________________ \\ //|| ||\\ ---- || || |\\ || \\ // || ||// || || || |_\\ || nothing is real ... \\/ || || \ || \\_// || \\ |___ _____________________________________________________________________ http://homepage.iprolink.ch/~virtual ____________________________________ ________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mitchel Waas Subject: Re: Music categories Date: 28 Jul 1996 10:15:15 -0400 > From: Hallvard.Muller@ecsoft.no > Date: 26 Jul 1996 09:05:38 +0200 > Subject: Re: Music categories > > I have a suggestion, folks. How about using the alphabet - Orbital is an "O"-band? Good idea. Well, with a collection the size of mine (a little under 2500 discs at present), I tried organizing by genre... ONCE. Now everything's alphabetized, and the only genre that's separated is classical, as those tend to get lost among all the electronic styles I collect. Well, enough babbling for me. lateron Mitch Waas Midnight Sorrow ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: noctum Subject: Re: Orbital, NIN?, and Emotions Date: 28 Jul 1996 12:00:14 -0500 At 04:29 PM 7/27/96 -0500, you wrote: > > >---------- >From: noctum[SMTP:noctum@cris.com] >Sent: Saturday, July 27, 1996 2:42 PM >To: orbital@xmission.com >Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto/NIN whines? > >more. I wish he would do some deep trance, I bet it would be >>incredible. By the way, I went to www.nin.com out of curiosity and found >>only "Coming Soon: Downgrade"... Does anybody know if that is an official >>site, or what the hell it is? > > first of all.. shutup.. nin is the worst. .and trent has NO TALENT.. > talent is orbital.. they are musical genuises.. trent is a wuss that > has no better way to express his emotions than to write a > song and cry about god and his hatred and sorrow.. > >I half agree with you. I grew tired of old Trent and his preachings of death, destruction, and sorrow very quickly. But I love most of the MUSIC, and the remixes. I think his techniques of sampling and sample-effecting and quite cool. I have tried to duplicate them with mixed results. Speaking of mix...I especially like a lot of the NIN remixes....and the ones I have done myself =) > >But... > >I love Orbital much more than I like old Trent's stuff. As said before by many, "A Warm Place" is a very peaceful and beautiful acheivement. Simple rolling synths and backround noise with a simple slow and somewhat happy guitarish-sample tune. I wish he would do a lot more with this kind of thing. Or just straight piano stuff. Just pure music. Not a PREACHY SONG of THAT and THAT and HATRED or something. Intrumentals effect me more, I believe. They reach real emotions and feelings I think....not just "I hate you" "I love this" blah blah blah... > >Any other opinions??? > >ethan g. > exactaly.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: noctum Subject: nin?? no way.. Date: 28 Jul 1996 12:02:28 -0500 what is up.. why are you people talking about nin? i thought this was setup for "Orbital" hmmm.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: noctum Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto/NIN whines? Date: 28 Jul 1996 12:09:41 -0500 At 02:12 AM 7/28/96 -0400, you wrote: >>first of all.. shutup.. > >What? Excuse me? An opinion is nothing that should be blasted upon with >such haste. If you don't like it, don't read it, but DEFINATELY do not reply >in such a childish manner... in fact.. maybe that is my opinon towards you.. >>nin is the worst. .and trent has NO TALENT.. >At the request of others on this list, I will not even begin to bicker my >point. If you don't see his years of Classical training, his intelligent >sampling and sound creating, or his use of a solid beat, you are indeed >missing out. And there is nothing I can say to you to change your clearly >stubborn mind. If you can find no fault with his music other than "trent is >a wuss that has no better way to express his emotions than to write a song >and cry about god and his hatred and sorrow.. " I think any >artist/poet/song-writer/whatever would surely laugh in your face. who cares about nin.. trent reznor is a freak.. im sorry anyone that just sits there and whines about his life.. is tri-sexual and for some strange reason likes pigs.. and about that "trent is a wuss that has no better way to express his emotions than to write a song and cry about god and his hatred and sorrow.. " well then you tell me that when i let about a good 20-30 people read what i wrote they aggreed with it tottally.. and im sorry.. i think some of them were musicians.. i just kinda thought this was setup for Orbital.. and Why dont you talk about how good Orbital is , and not a pathetic excuse for music like NIN THANKS >Thanx ethan g. for your insight. We have tried to recreate some of his >techniques as well, and it is not very easy. I am glad you are a music man >yourself. It took me about a year to get my best friend to listen to (and >then buy) NIN further. He is a music major at FSU and is heavily into >electronic music as well. It took him a while to overlook trent's glum >outlook and listen to the musical aspects of it. He finally agreed that >trent is very musically talented. We both wish for an instrumental album... > >And thanx to the DEWB. WHat the hell is a DEWB? I hate MTV as well (with >the exception of Jenny McCarthy...Rarrrr) but they play 'The Box' on mtv, and >I gladly watch it without worrying about Orbital being a sell out. No way. > Orbital is the best at what they do. I have loved everything I have ever >heard by them with anticipation of only their next release. But they are not >the only musical geniouses in the world. How depressing would that be? > >BUT HEY, I'm not here to discuss talent, nin, or selling out, just dance >music, and in particular Orbital. So with that I depart for now. Sorry it >was so long, but close minded people get me worked up... >Peace to all... >Tyler > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Sommerlade Subject: Re: KMFDM Date: 28 Jul 1996 19:18:51 +0200 (MESZ) hi pplz... On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, XENOPHON wrote: > My favorite KMFDM album is Angst. By far. KMFDM is a great band, but you should check out NAIVE, which contains guitar-riffs in a far less dominant role than in ANGST or even NIHIL... they have more electronics in it, as well. > they seem to have a habit of throwing on a couple of cheezy songs onto > what would otherwise be a buttkicking album. That's true. i really dislike that, but what I dislike even more is their usage of the german language: they are talking bullshit. I remember my early KMFDM days figuring out those lyrics resp. their meaning. Also their concerts suck, at least in germany.... Some hint for all those industrialists in this list: check out FLUGSCHAEDEL (efa 800 23-2 / ddr/platt 023 ) which is a cool mixture between chemicals brothers and KMFDM. Anyway, it could be quite difficult to get that album. Did anyone check out this ORB- Remix Project double cd?? rules. Eric ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Sommerlade Subject: RE: The industrial connection... Date: 28 Jul 1996 19:32:20 +0200 (MESZ) .! On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, Steven Dzilvelis wrote: > > > leads me to think that somewhere out there there are a lot of hardcore = > > >industrialists grew older=20 > > Ouch. I hadn't tied it to age, I think I got into it because it's was a = > more refined techno, and I haven't heard any new industrial I've liked = > in a while. Ministry has pretty much self-destructed as far as I'm = > concerned. I still like NIN though... =20 ah well .. i came to industrial via the death metal way ( poor me - ye olde dayes!!! ) , esp. fear factory (soul of a new machine ) which use lots of electronics as well. i stripped of more and more guitars while growing older... but i still love those riffs in a rhythmic way, so- i confess - sometimes i still listen to the old stuff. Something i can never give up is ministry. they released a pretty shitty album, but it seemed to me that they give a shit for it, or they had to complete it due to al jourgensen's prob with his voice, since their concerts still kick ass... > I'll probably get blasted for this, but... I kind of like Trip-Hop / = > Orbital / etc. because I can program to it (at work), not be overly = > distracted to it, yet not feel like I'm listening to musak. The beats = > and rhythms keep me awake without taking my focus (trance coding?). I = > also type faster to a good beat : ) hey - i know this feeling. sitting in front of a triangle filler with 500 lines assembly for a whole night - and you don't get tired!!! > > As far as the transition goes, I still haven't gone to a rave yet, I = > see ENIT is coming here (Denver), so I'll be hitting that, although I = > don't expect that to be too rave-like. I'm drug free, save Absolut = > Citron, and 30 years old, so I'm not sure I'd be able to handle the = > scene. What were the Orbital show crowds like? go to a rave. although it is a complete different experience than industrial / metal concerts, (anyone is dancing instead of jumping off the stage ), people attending them smell all the same... eric. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Sommerlade Subject: RE: The industrial connection... Date: 28 Jul 1996 19:41:44 +0200 (MESZ) > > quote quote.... > I thought I was the only one who was thinking that! I still run an > industrial show at the campus radio station, but yeah, I agree on > Ministry! Saw them a few months back. Was a bit surprised. Closed with > Stigmata though, so it was pretty cool. Saw Orbital. Crowds were > mellow. None of the Ecstasy induced orgies that the media would have us > believe (Damn!). A bit of weed, and that's about it. I understand to a > lesser extent- I'm 24, drug free, and I don't even drink! Most people > into this seem to be in our general realm though as opposed to the 16-20 > range. Don't sweat it. i was quite surprised by the orbital show here in hamburg. i haven't ever seen such an alternative techno-audience. but you can ask the people at those techno clubs here: those dancers and ecstasy throwers do not know a shit about orbital. if you are lucky, they know fsol. but most of them know this hardcore crap and dumb high-toned lyrics shit. so you are talking about different parts of society... eric ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Sommerlade Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto/NIN whines? Date: 28 Jul 1996 19:53:21 +0200 (MESZ) heyheyhey... won't hurt ya!!! On Sat, 27 Jul 1996 Bigsixty@aol.com wrote: > NIN does whine, but there are a lot of things in this world that make people > whine. You have to listen to his music over and over. I have for about 6 > years now. He may have gotten too big, and therefore trendy, but my God to > listen to the array of emotions on Downward Spiral, or to feel his sorrow on > Pretty Hate Machine. He is really a musical genious. My one copmplaint is > that he lost his dance style. His first album grooved more, bust his last > album said more. seems we have a reznor lover here. what was this about saying more? fucking like an animal??? what the hell is he saying anyway. i love the first album and some newer songs as well, but this 'girl, heart, pain' stuff bores me. he shou ld talk less shit and focus on the beats. > > Thrill Kill Kult was pretty cool. Their old stuff was good, but after > sexplosion they lost it. Kooler than Jesus had some cool tracks. KMFDM had > some nice stuff too, but it all sounds similar... Ministry lost it after > their live album (which if you are ever in a bad mood, you have to listen to > - loud - Yay). if youu are in a bad mood and younger than 30, you have to listen to 'so what' on the mind is a terrible thing to taste cd.... loud, as well... or visit one of hamburg's industrial/noise clubs. eric ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Industrial Princess Subject: VARIOUS... Date: 28 Jul 1996 10:53:55 -0700 (PDT) I forgot...KMFDM LIGHT single is pretty throbbing and intense--very techno-y dance. I was under the impression that Geography and No Comment (242) were released AFTER Official Version and Tyranny, despite being earlier music. Peut-etre I'm wrong. Nothing wrong with being conscientiously anal, provided it doesn't turn neurotic! :) Girl w/ Sun... is great, but I really like "Out there somewhere" (the beginning/intro LITERALLY brings tears to my eyes every time!), The Box, and P.E.T.R.O.L. The "bonus" CD that has the 28 min. long Box mix is also incredibly brilliant and raises my respect for P&P tenfold! Diversions is really fun too and I really, really think that Prodigy's '92ish? release (white cover with "prodigy" in black") is so energizing and revitalising. No chance of lethargic feelings after listening to that one...and great to dance/exercise (or type!) to! Also, the last track, #13 on "...gilted generation" is amazing. I don't know how anyone can really say they HATE that CD, or that it's CRAP. Every song isn't great, but the some are. Anyway, there are certainly many independent dimensions of "good", and Orbital doesn't cover all of them (nor does anyone), but for me, NIN covers at least a part of one of those dimensions--Reznor is one of the best at expressing himself, beit angst or whatever, but absolutely it's a different type of appreciation that one has for that than for music like the Orbital puts out. I don't think you can really compare the two past the "like" or "don't like" category without getting into different arenas, or generalized, broad comparisons. I am interested in checking out "Quake". I'll try and get the shareware. Heard Union Jack, There will be no Armageddon (spell?) full-length CD? It is incredibly mind-pleasing :) Bye bye. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Sommerlade Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto/NIN whines? Date: 28 Jul 1996 20:00:06 +0200 (MESZ) > >and by the way.....just when NIN were being accused of getting too > >popular.....i've been told trent has said the next album will sound NOTHING > >like they have done in the past....can't wait to hear what it's like...... accused of??? HE IS TOO POPULAR!!!! kids start listening to it around 12! it is a shame! did you hear the one about him buying his new house which was built on a graveyard or something, which was spread in the kids news like hell and now he complains about those children in his frontyard!!! > why is everyone talking about nin? what does orbital have to do with this? > nin is a mtv sellout.. just add one to the generation of idiots and people > that have nothing better to do than sit around and bask in their "i love mtv" orbital starts getting sold out as well! and do not start talking a shit about the wrong music or band... eric > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Sommerlade Subject: Re: No more Trent Reznor noise pleeez... Date: 28 Jul 1996 20:03:37 +0200 (MESZ) > > Just picked up EAT STATIC - ABDUCTION. Pretty groovy. > I can probably mix it with in with some older Orbital... > It rules. But for that industrial thing: i hope anyone of you owns this Die Krupps - final remixes. they still rock. eric > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Sommerlade Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto/NIN whines? Date: 28 Jul 1996 20:11:43 +0200 (MESZ) On Sun, 28 Jul 1996, noctum wrote: > > in fact.. maybe that is my opinon towards you.. > > > who cares about nin.. trent reznor is a freak.. im sorry > anyone that just sits there and whines about his life.. > is tri-sexual and for some strange reason likes pigs.. > and about that "trent is a wuss that has no better way to express his > emotions than to write a song and cry about god and his hatred and > sorrow.. " well then you tell me that when i let about a good 20-30 > people read what i wrote they aggreed with it tottally.. and im sorry.. > i think some of them were musicians.. i just kinda thought > this was setup for Orbital.. and Why dont you talk about how good > Orbital is , and not a pathetic excuse for music like NIN > THANKS is this bugger a kid or what??? just TRY to argue. eric ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: yhuang0@sas.upenn.edu (Visual Purple) Subject: Re: Orbital and those others Date: 28 Jul 1996 14:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Anthony Agee wrote: > > It goes like this > > 3. Underworld > Is it only me, or does Underworld get a lot of undue respect? They're pretty decent, but hardly one of the best. Personally, I find most of their stuff pretty bland and drawn-out. and their vocals... sheesh. -UE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Plump Subject: all this bullshit Date: 28 Jul 1996 11:57:37 -0700 (PDT) OK. Normally, I don't mind off topic posts, but WTF is with all this industrial bullshit. Don't get me wrong, I love industrial music (in fact, I first heard Orbital when I bought the Mortal Kombat sndtk. for the industrial on it), but this is ridiculous. I read rec.music.industrial when I want to hear about industrial music. Unfortunantly, this NIN good vs. bad war is something almost as religious as Mac vs. PC, so it'll probably never die... Maybe we need to start a NEW list to get rid of this crap... orbital@teleport.com sprays his llamas with a new all-purpose cleanser. "If you absolutely HAVE to eat that, maybe you should at least fry it!" --Joe Dietz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sproston Green Subject: Re: Orbital and those others Date: 28 Jul 1996 15:40:01 -0400 At 02:16 PM 7/28/96 -0400, you wrote: >> > >> 3. Underworld > >> > >Is it only me, or does Underworld get a lot of undue respect? They're >pretty decent, but hardly one of the best. Personally, I find most of >their stuff pretty bland and drawn-out. and their vocals... sheesh. > >-UE ok...so give us your list of the 'best'. Sproston Green jrobin@tiac.net http://www.tiac.net/users/jrobin/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sproston Green Subject: Re: Orbital and those others Date: 28 Jul 1996 15:58:53 -0400 At 09:27 PM 7/27/96 -0500, you wrote: > >>I didn't like "...I care because you do." >>Is this album a good representation of the stuff they do, cuz >>I was *far* from impressed. >> >Not necessarily. If you can, try to listen to a copy of "Analogue >Bubblebath" or "Selected Ambient Works II" BEFORE you buy....if you can't do >that I wouldn't recommend purchasing them as they are both quite *out there*. It's more like "Selected Ambient Elevator Music". I'd say lay off aphex twin. ATs sound layering is weak to nonexistent and very uninspired (imso). Problem is, once you've heard the best (ORBITAL), the rest pale in comparison. Sproston Green jrobin@tiac.net http://www.tiac.net/users/jrobin/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Plump Subject: Re: Orbital and those others Date: 28 Jul 1996 13:13:58 -0700 (PDT) On Sun, 28 Jul 1996, Visual Purple wrote: > Is it only me, or does Underworld get a lot of undue respect? They're > pretty decent, but hardly one of the best. Personally, I find most of > their stuff pretty bland and drawn-out. and their vocals... sheesh. AMEN! They are just so generic... nothing all that special really. Well, that's just MHO, of course, but... orbital@teleport.com sprays his llamas with a new all-purpose cleanser. "If you absolutely HAVE to eat that, maybe you should at least fry it!" --Joe Dietz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: orbital@wwi.net (Anthony Agee) Subject: Re: Orbital and those others Date: 28 Jul 1996 16:52:51 -0500 >It's more like "Selected Ambient Elevator Music". I'd say lay off aphex twin. >ATs sound layering is weak to nonexistent and very uninspired (imso). >Problem is, once you've heard the best (ORBITAL), the rest pale in comparison. > You're probably right on that last point, but still....my love for music is universal and the more good stuff I can listen to, the better. Aphex Twin does some really beautiful stuff on Selected Ambient Works 2; yeah, it's not dance music but when you're on the computer late at night, nothing beats it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ethan G." Subject: RE: leaving the mailing list Date: 28 Jul 1996 16:40:11 -0500 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB7CA5.4AACB060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- Sent: Sunday, July 28, 1996 6:43 AM how do I get off the list please? 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Subject: RE: all this bullshit Date: 28 Jul 1996 16:51:45 -0500 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB7CA5.4FE9EFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- Sent: Sunday, July 28, 1996 6:57 AM OK. Normally, I don't mind off topic posts, but WTF is with all this industrial bullshit. Don't get me wrong, I love industrial music (in fact, I first heard Orbital when I bought the Mortal Kombat sndtk. for = the industrial on it), but this is ridiculous. I read rec.music.industrial when I want to hear about industrial music. Unfortunantly, this NIN good vs. bad war is something almost as = religious as Mac vs. PC, so it'll probably never die... Maybe we need to start a NEW list to get rid of this crap... Here, here!! A couple lines about Trent or KMFDM is okay every once in a = while. But this list in turning into IndustrialHeadquarters. I, myself, = am not too heavy into industrial and grow tired of all of this garbage. ORBITAL ORBITAL ORBITAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 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Subject: Orbital, Aphex Twin, and "Ambience" Date: 28 Jul 1996 17:07:32 -0500 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB7CAB.253B0F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- Sent: Sunday, July 28, 1996 2:58 PM At 09:27 PM 7/27/96 -0500, you wrote: > >>I didn't like "...I care because you do." >>Is this album a good representation of the stuff they do, cuz >>I was *far* from impressed. >> >Not necessarily. If you can, try to listen to a copy of "Analogue >Bubblebath" or "Selected Ambient Works II" BEFORE you buy....if you = can't do >that I wouldn't recommend purchasing them as they are both quite *out = there*. It's more like "Selected Ambient Elevator Music". I'd say lay off aphex = twin. ATs sound layering is weak to nonexistent and very uninspired (imso). Problem is, once you've heard the best (ORBITAL), the rest pale in = comparison. Sproston Green This whole subject of "ambient" music is very confusing. Don't get me = wrong, I love Aphex Twin, The Orb and all the others labeled ambient. = But old Brian Eno, who coined the name Ambient, doesn't agree to these = bands and types of trance-techno having that label. He says these = musicians get too confined by their sequencers. A few rows....that = contain phrases repeated over and over again. Orbital has a much wider = spectrum of this kind of thing, and does much more than others that use = this sort of format. He says that each part of the music should go off = in it's own direction...but still work together. (I think this resembles = the definition of ambient light....it's there....lighting up = stuff.....but you barely notice where it's coming from) I think AMBIENT = music should create a very flowing and LIVING feeling....where it is = hard to distinguish specific "instruments"....and should be rather hard = to notate. I do not know any of Eno's work, but I feel sorry for the = guy. I'm not saying we should trash the name "ambient"....but sometimes = it just doesn't work. I don't really consider Aphex Twin elevator music. 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ONCE WOW. That is a hell of a lot of CD's. I have about 150 CD's at most, and I barely organize them at all. Every time I alphabetize, it gets messed up too soon, so I quit that nonsense. I only keep my ambient and my jungle in their "section". It just makes it easier for those times when I just want to say, chill fast, I just grab one from the ambient pile, or if I want it to slam, I grab one from the jungle pile. Some of the "ambient jungle" ends up in either pile. There aren't enough categories for all the various styles, and there really shouldn't be. A category just molds a band. Of course, a classical category isn't really going to mold that music, huh? How do you have enough time to listen to all 2500? It would take a year. Have you ever thought about trading in some of your old ones? Aye. Okay. I'm done. Later - Tyler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bigsixty@aol.com Subject: Re: KMFDM Date: 28 Jul 1996 19:04:42 -0400 >> Did anyone check out this ORB- Remix Project double cd?? >> rules. What ORB remix project are you talking about? Is this new? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bigsixty@aol.com Subject: Re: VARIOUS... Date: 28 Jul 1996 19:03:03 -0400 I agree with the Orbital, Progigy, and NIN thoughts you shared. The concert version of P.E.T.R.O.L. leaves me slightly disappointed with the album version. In case you missed it, they played it even faster, and tweaked it even further. WOW. I still dig the album version, but I think I like the album Out There Somewhere? the best. It is so long, and so beautiful. I trip out every time, just like the first time. I am still very into 'Times Fly' though. I think this is a song that doesn't get enough credit, but it really is a pre-Insides type of song. I bought the single in February (import) and I was still happy to get it on my In Sides bonus disc. Wicked Cool. What does everyone else think of 'Times Fly'? And the Sad But New remix is really good too. Agreed? The Prodigy first album ('Experience' by the way) is still a favorite of mine. It keeps getting stolen though. I need a new copy. The Weather Experience is So So So good. And the last three on Gilted are bad. When the 'My mind is glowing...' comes in, it still gets to me. As for NIN, I'll just say I agree, so as not to get unfriendly unintelligent remarks from one of the members of this list. I too will get the 'Quake' disc just to check it out. Is the music for Audio CD players as well? I can play 'Quake' on my Mac with a little software (please no PC arguements), but I'd rather not. One last question, and I'll go. Is the Union Jack CD that good? I have never seen it, but I could probably order it...Is it worth hunting? Done and done... Tyler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bigsixty@aol.com Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto/NIN whines? Date: 28 Jul 1996 19:02:41 -0400 Eric - as a matter of fact, I don't really love reznor all that much, but I do like his music. His lyrics are bleak, but my ex-girlfriend sucked so bad that I can truely understand what he is saying about the 'girl, heart, pain' thing. My favorite song is 'Get Down Make Love' on the Sin single, maily because it is a bit more up. And come on, when was the last time you had a girl in your room, and you just wanted to let her hear loudly 'I want to fuck you like an animal'. His lyrics are peotry. He does focus on the beats enough to make me come back for more though. I wouldn't buy a book of reznor lyrics. That is a trent lover. And for Ministry - 'So what', that is an incredible song. I still like 'Stigmata' the best though. The beat is bad. I don't think I would go to a hamburg industrial/noise club though. Have you heard much 'Hardcore' or I guess 'Gabberhouse/Rotterdam' - deep trance type of stuff? My brother is way into that. That kind of 'music' scares me. I dig fast, such as jungle, but not that fast. The German stuff is evil dark too. I don't even think Orbital could do a good song in that "genre" I would like. - well - I take that back. If anyone could make a good tune like that, it would be Orbital. Spicelab comes close. Anyone know of any good 'Hardcore' (not to be mistaken for old Punk Rock)? I sure don't. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "joe.beuckman" Subject: RE: all this bullshit Date: 28 Jul 1996 18:40:07 -0500 (CDT) it seems everyone on this list thinks one of the following: 1.music is bad unless it's trancey 2.music is bad unless you can dance to it 3.music is bad unless it's non-repetitive/non-sequenced 4.music is bad unless it's good for driving 5.music is bad unless it gets heavy rotation at parties 6.music is bad unless it's by brian eno 6.music is bad unless it's by orbital -Joe Beuckman | jbeuckm@siue.edu | http://www.siue.edu/~jbeuckm *Ozone Troop: | http://bigfoot.ecl.wustl.edu/~paul/ozone/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alejandro Alaluf Subject: Re: Orbital and those others Date: 28 Jul 1996 19:56 SAT At 03:58 PM 28/07/96 -0400, you wrote: >At 09:27 PM 7/27/96 -0500, you wrote: >> >>>I didn't like "...I care because you do." >>>Is this album a good representation of the stuff they do, cuz >>>I was *far* from impressed. >>> >>Not necessarily. If you can, try to listen to a copy of "Analogue >>Bubblebath" or "Selected Ambient Works II" BEFORE you buy....if you can't do >>that I wouldn't recommend purchasing them as they are both quite *out there*. > >It's more like "Selected Ambient Elevator Music". I'd say lay off aphex twin. >ATs sound layering is weak to nonexistent and very uninspired (imso). >Problem is, once you've heard the best (ORBITAL), the rest pale in comparison. > >Sproston Green > jrobin@tiac.net > http://www.tiac.net/users/jrobin/ > Well, after all, Richard James is supossed to be a kind of a genius, a mozart of the 21th century or something. I love pretty much of his work, specially the early ones. His Selected Ambient... records (both of it) are great, specially the first one. A masterpiece. The same goes for Polygon Window. But I didn't like as well "... I Care Because You Do". Anyway, looking forward to his new material and yes, Orbital is way ahead above him... ALEJANDRO ALALUF aalaluf@reuna.cl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alejandro Alaluf Subject: Re: Orbital and those others Date: 28 Jul 1996 19:56 SAT At 01:13 PM 28/07/96 -0700, you wrote: >On Sun, 28 Jul 1996, Visual Purple wrote: > >> Is it only me, or does Underworld get a lot of undue respect? They're >> pretty decent, but hardly one of the best. Personally, I find most of >> their stuff pretty bland and drawn-out. and their vocals... sheesh. > >AMEN! They are just so generic... nothing all that special really. > >Well, that's just MHO, of course, but... > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >orbital@teleport.com sprays his llamas with a new all-purpose cleanser. >"If you absolutely HAVE to eat that, maybe you should at least fry it!" > --Joe Dietz > Sorry to disagree with you, but all the fuzz that's been around Underworld is very much well deserved. The have done with their two albums the perefct mix between techno, dance and indie. So far, I haven't heard of anyone doing something that's similar to it. Maybe you should listen them more carefully. ALEJANDRO ALALUF aalaluf@reuna.cl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gsxiii@usa.pipeline.com (GS13) Subject: RE: all this bullshit Date: 29 Jul 1996 01:07:04 GMT On Jul 28, 1996 18:40:07, '"joe.beuckman" ' wrote: >it seems everyone on this list thinks one of the following: > >1.music is bad unless it's trancey >2.music is bad unless you can dance to it >3.music is bad unless it's non-repetitive/non-sequenced >4.music is bad unless it's good for driving >5.music is bad unless it gets heavy rotation at parties >6.music is bad unless it's by brian eno >6.music is bad unless it's by orbital > > >-Joe Beuckman | jbeuckm@siue.edu >| http://www.siue.edu/~jbeuckm 1.Jimi Hendrix Blues is great- no " trancey" stuff there. 2. Ever try to dance to Satie? But some of his music is very "trancey". 3.a lot of techno IS repetitive and sequenced. that gives it that wonderful feeling of "trancey-ness". 4.i don't have a car, but i do have a bicycle- so all music is bad? 5.bad music heavily rotated? 6&6. well, you might have a point... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gsxiii@usa.pipeline.com (GS13) Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto/NIN whines? Date: 29 Jul 1996 01:10:36 GMT On Jul 28, 1996 19:02:41, 'Bigsixty@aol.com' wrote: >And come on, when was the last time you had a girl in your >room, and you just wanted to let her hear loudly 'I want to fuck you like an animal' HEY HEY calm down there, some of us have sensitive eyes... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bigsixty@aol.com Subject: Aphex Twin Date: 28 Jul 1996 21:47:30 -0400 >> It's more like "Selected Ambient Elevator Music" That is kinda funny, and pretty true, but I really do like that CD. It is as I say "Ambient enough to kill a man" but really peaceful to listen to. I would much rather cruise to the 30th floor listening to Aphex Twin instead of an instrumental of a Hootie and the Blowfish song. >> I'd say lay off aphex twin. >> ATs sound layering is weak to nonexistent and very uninspired Not entirely true. He doesn't layer in quite the same way as Orbital, but he does have some intelligence to him. My true respect comes from the fact that he makes his own equipment. His sounds are quite unique. "I care..." is not his best work, but there are a couple songs I like. 'Ventolin' is probably the most annoying song/sound I have ever heard, but a few remixes on the single are actually really good. The 'On' single is one of my favorite singles ever though. And if you come across this white Aphex Twin like 'Classics' CD, with like 12 old tracks on it, you will truely like his music much much more. It is GOOD. Suprise. I buy Aphex Twin with a bit of caution though. Not like buying an Orbital CD with no doubt... So anyway, jrobin, what else do you listen to. There isn't enough Orbital to listen to all the time (unfortunately) so there I guess has to be a Second Best, eh? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: yhuang0@sas.upenn.edu (Visual Purple) Subject: Re: Orbital and those others Date: 28 Jul 1996 22:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Sproston Green wrote: > > At 02:16 PM 7/28/96 -0400, you wrote: > >> > > > >> 3. Underworld > > > >> > > > >Is it only me, or does Underworld get a lot of undue respect? They're > >pretty decent, but hardly one of the best. Personally, I find most of > >their stuff pretty bland and drawn-out. and their vocals... sheesh. > > > >-UE > > ok...so give us your list of the 'best'. > ok. here are some of my favs (in no particular order): Speedy J Eat Static Hallucinogen BT Autechre Orbital (of course) opinions welcome. -UE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: larsonaj@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Subject: Re: Aphex Twin Date: 28 Jul 1996 23:38:33 -0500 (EST) On Sun, 28 Jul 1996 Bigsixty@aol.com wrote: > The 'On' single is one of my favorite > singles ever though. And if you come across this white Aphex Twin like > 'Classics' CD, with like 12 old tracks on it, you will truely like his music > much much more. It is GOOD. Suprise. > > I buy Aphex Twin with a bit of caution though. Not like buying an Orbital CD > with no doubt... Ok..well one Aphex Twin cd you should definitely buy w/ no doubt is "Selected Ambient Works 85-92" (AMB 3922 CD) That is if you can find it. It took me a a year and a half and a few days of scouring record shops in NYC to find it. Well worth the effort! It's a lot more up-beat than ambient works #2. Definitely NOT elevator music! From the wicked jam called 'Green Calx' to the viscious bass-line of 'We Are The Music Makers,' you can't get much better! -Andy larsonaj@muohio.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: orbital@wwi.net (Anthony Agee) Subject: Re: VARIOUS... Date: 28 Jul 1996 22:46:36 -0500 >The concert version of P.E.T.R.O.L. leaves me slightly disappointed with the >album version. In case you missed it, they played it even faster, and >tweaked it even further. WOW. I still dig the album version, but I think I >like the album Out There Somewhere? the best. It is so long, and so >beautiful. I trip out every time, just like the first time. I am still very >into 'Times Fly' though. I think this is a song that doesn't get enough >credit, but it really is a pre-Insides type of song. I bought the single in >February (import) and I was still happy to get it on my In Sides bonus disc. > Wicked Cool. > >What does everyone else think of 'Times Fly'? And the Sad But New remix is >really good too. Agreed? Agreed. I think a lot of people kinda discount Times Fly...but to this day I still think it has the COOLEST rhythm of all Orbital stuff. It's very poppy sounding but it still stays true to the game. I never cared much for Sad But True initially but after listening to Sad But New I like the original more and more although I still prefer the latter. The Tranquilizer is also SUPER...they should have saved that track for In Sides, I think. It's premium stuff. I'm in a sort of "post-In Sides" depression right now....I still listen to it every day but I'm already dying for new stuff. I'm a spoiled brat I suppose. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sproston Green Subject: Re: Aphex Twin Date: 29 Jul 1996 00:12:14 -0400 At 09:47 PM 7/28/96 -0400, you wrote: >>> It's more like "Selected Ambient Elevator Music" > >That is kinda funny, and pretty true, but I really do like that CD. It is as >I say "Ambient enough to kill a man" but really peaceful to listen to. I >would much rather cruise to the 30th floor listening to Aphex Twin instead of >an instrumental of a Hootie and the Blowfish song. > hey...i'm sorry i can't get into aphex twin but that's no reason to bring up HandtheB. Ack. :-). I agree 100% on this last statement. >Not entirely true. He doesn't layer in quite the same way as Orbital, but he >does have some intelligence to him. My true respect comes from the fact that >he makes his own equipment. His sounds are quite unique. "I care..." is not >his best work, but there are a couple songs I like. 'Ventolin' is probably >the most annoying song/sound I have ever heard, but a few remixes on the >single are actually really good. The 'On' single is one of my favorite >singles ever though. And if you come across this white Aphex Twin like >'Classics' CD, with like 12 old tracks on it, you will truely like his music >much much more. It is GOOD. Suprise. i just saw this cd the other day...damn, i wish i could listen to it first. >I buy Aphex Twin with a bit of caution though. Not like buying an Orbital CD >with no doubt... > >So anyway, jrobin, what else do you listen to. There isn't enough Orbital to >listen to all the time (unfortunately) so there I guess has to be a Second >Best, eh? well, i'm actually very new to the all electronic forum (techno if you will). i've gotten bored with standard issue guitar, bass, drum, synth music thats flooding the airwaves. most of the groups i like are either dying or are already dead and their supposed 'replacements', as dictated by the industry ($ to cut an album, publicity, etc), suck to my ears. that is why this other bands thread has been real helpful in pointing towards the good stuff. i hope. This is what i've got.... http://www.tiac.net/users/jrobin/albums2.html This is what i've been listening to recently.... underworld - 2nd toughest of the infants electronic - raise the pressure orbi.....yeah, you know who and what album. Sproston Green jrobin@tiac.net http://www.tiac.net/users/jrobin/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael J Ciechalski Subject: Orbital merchandise Date: 29 Jul 1996 00:32:44 -0400 (EDT) I was checking the internet and the only retailers that had Orbital merchandise were located in England. I was wondering if anybody knows if any retailers or stores in the Northeast US carries Orbital merchandise. I was Also wondering if anybody knows were I could get Single-Cell Orchestra's album if they even have one. I've only heard one of there song's off the California Dreaming compilation. p.s. One album I do recomend is The Dream Mixes by Tangerine Dream. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: noctum Subject: Re: Orbital merchandise Date: 29 Jul 1996 01:01:13 -0500 At 12:32 AM 7/29/96 -0400, you wrote: > > I was checking the internet and the only retailers that had Orbital >merchandise were located in England. I was wondering if anybody knows if any >retailers or stores in the Northeast US carries Orbital merchandise. I was >Also wondering if anybody knows were I could get Single-Cell Orchestra's >album if they even have one. I've only heard one of there song's off the >California Dreaming compilation. > >p.s. One album I do recomend is The Dream Mixes by Tangerine Dream. > > > > ditto.. include me too ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shaunr@juno.com (Shaun D Rader) Subject: Times Fly & Samples Date: 29 Jul 1996 01:49:35 PST I never really thought Times Fly was one of the better Orbital songs. Actually, the whole EP was a disappointment in my opinion. I thought of it as a step back from Snivilization. I'll take the Radiccio EP over Times Fly any day. I remember reading about a Phil Collins sample in Times Fly. I've listened to it several times and I can't seem to spot it. Actually, I can't seem to spot anything familiar in any Orbital song. Shaun Rader ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shaunr@juno.com (Shaun D Rader) Subject: Quality Seconds in Supercop Date: 29 Jul 1996 01:54:34 PST I watched Supercop this weekend and noticed that the Orbital song was not in it. I guess they just used it for the previews. I didn't watch through the credits at the end, so maybe they played it then, but I doubt it. I guess that music is too powerful, fast, and short to be used in a scene from a movie. I didn't see Orbital listed in the soundtrack at the end of the commercial either. Anyone else think that Halcyon+on+on was used beautifully in the Mortal Kombat movie? When they flashed to the scene of the blue sky and people running around with streamers, it just seemed appropriate. Actually, I don't remember the movie that much, so the scene description might be totally wrong. Shaun Rader ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shaunr@juno.com (Shaun D Rader) Subject: Re: In Sides/"Dwr Budr"...lyrics? Date: 29 Jul 1996 01:40:02 PST I've recorded the voice and listened to it backwards and I still have no idea what it is. I read before that it was supposed to be Madonna. I admit I'm not a Madonna fan, but it just doesn't sound like one of her songs. Maybe it's the mysterious Auntie?? Shaun Rader ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:RE: all this bullshit Date: 29 Jul 1996 10:40:42 BST >it seems everyone on this list thinks one of the following: > >1.music is bad unless it's trancey I like loads of stuff thats not trancey. I wouldnt class Orbital has total trancey. >2.music is bad unless you can dance to it Nah....cant dance to HIA much but i looovvveee them. >3.music is bad unless it's non-repetitive/non-sequenced I like Depeche Mode and Oasis (a bit).... >4.music is bad unless it's good for driving There is driving music and there is non-driving music. I prefer the first as i listen most music in the car as i travel. >5.music is bad unless it gets heavy rotation at parties Mmmm.... not too sure about this one. What do you mean. Ive never heard Orbital at any parties ive been too. In fact its rare they are played on any radio stations i listen too. >6.music is bad unless it's by brian eno I dont particulary like Brian Eno! >6.music is bad unless it's by orbital Not true....but Orbital are experts! Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:Re: VARIOUS... Date: 29 Jul 1996 10:48:53 BST >The concert version of P.E.T.R.O.L. leaves me slightly disappointed with >the album version. In case you missed it, they played it even faster, >and tweaked it even further. They stepped up the album version from the Wipeout version and i agree the live version is a further step. > WOW. I still dig the album version, but I think I >like the album Out There Somewhere? the best. It is so long, and so >beautiful. I trip out every time, just like the first time. I think Out There Somewhere? , TGWTSIHH and Dwr Budr are the highlights of IN SIDES. Dwr Budr got mixed reviews but the Moog synths really do me in. >I am still very into 'Times Fly' though. I think this is a song that >doesn't get enough credit, but it really is a pre-Insides type of song. >bought the single in February (import) and I was still happy to get it on >my In Sides bonus disc. I got Times Fly on the release in November but heard it on ISDN night. Personnally i didnt rate "Times Fly" as a top track by Orbital. Tranquilizer and Sad But New were both excellent. Although i wish the ISDN version was released on the CD instead (with the John Major voice over). Cheers Steve LOOPZ PRice ORbital Zine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:Tour CD? Date: 29 Jul 1996 10:57:03 BST OR> I'm also curious as to which album "Satan" is from. I don't have it OR>in any of my Orbital CDs. Satan is not on any of the original album releases. But the american version does have it. Cheers Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:Re: re:In Sides/"Dwr Budr"...lyrics? Date: 29 Jul 1996 11:02:07 BST >Sent by:Bigsixty@aol.com > Hey Steve, what are you doing? Your gonna have a bunch of freaks >sampling everything they hear and playing it backwards. You might enjoy it. Its amazing how much Orbital reverse stuff. > If they are lyrics, tell us,if not, don't freak us out... Freak you out ? Dont understand how it can freak you out. Unless it says "Kill your cat with a lego brick" ;) I was just stating the sample sounds "normal" reversed. I can tell you the lyrics are not welsh. Most welsh words are over 50 chars long ;) which would make Dwr Budr last 68 minutes. Sample It ... Loop It.... Cheers Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:Times Fly & Samples Date: 29 Jul 1996 11:54:44 BST >I remember reading about a Phil Collins sample in Times Fly. I've >listened to it several times and I can't seem to spot it. Actually, I >can't seem to spot anything familiar in any Orbital song. You can hear Phil Collins in Times Fly (the whinging whining vocals). Have i mentioned Madonna yet ? ;) The old live set of Chime had Madonnas "Material Girl" sampled into it. I have that on tape if anyone wants to trade ? Did you know that ? Cheers Steve LOOPZ Price ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJ <100546.1760@compuserve.com> Subject: Autechre Date: 29 Jul 1996 06:52:36 EDT The man said... "the double cd US version of "Tri Repeatae" is a great bargain, in that you get the album, and 2 of their ep's, "garbage" and "anvil vapre". Bloody hell! All US Hartnoll fans get out and buy this!! Garbage goes down as one of the best tracks EVER! And for all those on an industrial tip, anvil vapre has a sample of a bomb exploding and one of the largest beats commited to vinyl/cd. The album's got some great stuff on too. Clipper is my personal fave. In short, Buy it. Now. Cheers, d ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:Re: In Sides/"Dwr Budr"...lyrics? Date: 29 Jul 1996 11:51:25 BST >Sent by:shaunr@juno.com (Shaun D Rader) > I've recorded the voice and listened to it backwards and I still have no >idea what it is. I read before that it was supposed to be Madonna. Its close to Madonna. > I admit I'm not a Madonna fan, but it just doesn't sound like one of her >songs. Maybe it's the mysterious Auntie?? Maybe. Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dennis morales jr Subject: a matter of taste Date: 29 Jul 1996 09:27:39 -0400 (EDT) after all the reading i have done about how peoples tastes relate to orbital, i am quite amazed. just to add to the pot, here is a little piece of my musical inspirations and background: (disclaimer: using categories to help with explanation, i hate them too) although i do like a bit in the "ambient" and "industrial" genres, my 'tastes' lie in strong melodies and rhythms, grooves and cleanliness, synthesizers that are programmed to all heaven, etc. i LOVE orbitals rhythms!! their use of negative space is supurb. i began writing "orbital-esque" drums back in '90, envisioning the use of drum-patterns and sounds to be a model for the rhythms of a song, but not a matching template (like most 'generic' radio house music), maybe even some counter-rhythms as well used like counter melodies. the problem that was had back in '90 (i was 16) is our arrangement skills were just being honed and writing a 4 minute song was enough of a complicated task. (not to mention our lack of equipment and our freshman levels of synth programming and musical composition, etc, etc. with the addition of these "rhythmic" elements and the added complexities, it would take a good 6 minutes to even begin to deal with those new elements. (times are for example, not absolutes) we were fighting to arrange a 3.5 minute song so it sonded good. we werent ready for arrangement experiments... when we were beginning to venture into that territory, Orbital comes along and puts out the brown album, and begins to tread those waters. (you can hear the rhythms in the parts more than the 'drum patterns' on this album, but everyone knows Snivilisation, and now InSides! anyhow, orbital has been a step ahead of all my visions and not only that, they have surpassed some of the visions... AND they make beautiful and wonderous music (to my ears). but, we are not Orbital, so we should find a niche sometime... and NEW visions to persue. (if Orbital doesnt get there first :) we can call them an "influence" cant we?? :) ) besides, i dont think we sound like orbital, so to speak, but anyway... my fave band mentions are: Orbital Bjork FSOL Pet Shop Boys Severed Heads 808 State Dead Can Dance Xymox of course i like other stuff, but this "relates" from my point of view. i also want to buy (but havent heard that much by) Massive Attack, Seefeel, Global Communication, cause what i have heard, i liked quite a bit. ____________________________________________________________ dennis morales jr dfish@havoc.gtf.gatech.edu dreamhouse - http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/dfish/dreamhouse/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Hopkins Subject: Re: Goldie's new album? Date: 29 Jul 1996 14:54 BST At 14:16 26/07/96 EDT, you wrote: >OR>Are you talking about Timeless, or the next one? I heard it was coming soon >OR>but I have not seen anything of it... > >Umm, I'm not sure what the title was, but the guy who owned said he had >just bought it last weekend, and made it sound like it was a brand new >album... This is almost certainly 'Platinum Breaks', due to be released imminently in the UK. It is not however the new Goldie album, but a compilation of artists on Goldie's Metalheadz label...although I believe there is some early Goldie material on it... hope this clears things up.. RAT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: XENOPHON Subject: Re: Orbital and those others Date: 29 Jul 1996 07:10:08 -0700 (PDT) I agree. It sucked. Selected Ambient works is much better. Minimalist ambient. Really mellow. Classics is faster amd still pretty good. Xenophon On Sat, 27 Jul 1996, Al Arzaga wrote: > >It goes like this > > > [snip] > >2. Aphex Twin > > I didn't like "...I care because you do." > Is this album a good representation of the stuff they do, cuz > I was *far* from impressed. > > > > aL > -- > Alden Arzaga > broohaha@xnet.com > http://www.xnet.com/~broohaha > "There are three types of people.... Those who can count and those who can't." > - Anonymous > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: biv@usa.pipeline.com (DB) Subject: Re: Quake music Date: 29 Jul 1996 14:21:18 GMT On Jul 27, 1996 21:30:09, 'orbital@wwi.net (Anthony Agee)' wrote: > >>If you want to hear Trent Reznor doing ambient/trancy stuff, buy the PC game >>Quake. The CD has 10 tracks of original music he made for the game.. there's >a >>couple spots with some thrashing guitar, but most of the time it's eerie, >>apocalyptic ambience -- a "mood-setter" for the game, but musically valuable >on >>its own. it's very, very scary and very, very good. >> > >I'd be interested in hearing how you managed to get a hold of Quake >especially since it has not even been released yet. You must either work >for iD, a gaming magazine or you're a pirate. The shareware version of Quake *has* been released, and it can be downloaded all over the place. Reznor/NIN not only did the music, they did the sound effects as well. The ammo boxes for the nail gun also have the NIN logo on them. And despite all this, it still manages to be a pretty good game. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:LOOPZ mailing list Date: 29 Jul 1996 15:35:56 BST begin 600 attach.Z M'YV0:=R,>7/&31HZ;URTF7,&@,.'$"-*G$BQHL6+&"N"V&@#!@P0`#:"B$&# M!DB1)$V&%,F2AHT9'&/@4JM2I6+-JWL0=SD$?.&3!X0=]+,01/P#`B$(,24`>'F M#9TT9M*4(0/BC1D08<2"(%/&3AFG<-J4<4-GSHLQ:`*?*>/839D[<_K^K0,' ML!LR#10,;-,6A-HY=2AK!L'DR1,H6D"@>")'S,&H(+0$+)/B+9K%(."P*1-F MSMPV8=*P`:$XN)PT=L+089,GM'004Z@4L5+$!10I2884`8+DR90E69Q,<3'D MB8LJ2]Z^B3LW#!G"?.'2^0V"C5HZ+H066A9OU+&4',0MYT88S;$`0AG(*0?8 M?0C.D5E@?%4E71ION&%:9@C&44<:")(1H`*A-1'86?L%ML8<`BHP!1V%S=7: M:[%!\=P8983VA!2V);6<;I:Y\-612":IY)),-NGDDU!&*>645%9IY9589JGE MEEQVZ>678(8IYIADEFGFF6BFJ>::;+;IYIMPQBGGG'36:>>=>.:IYYY\]NGG MGX`&*NB@A!9JZ*&()JKHHHPVZNBCD$8JZ:245FKII9AFJNFFG';JZ:>@ABKJ 9J*26:NJIJ*:JZJJLMNKJJ[#&*NNLM-;Z)J24 ` end ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cdaraghy@exit109.com (charlie daraghy) Subject: re:Re: VARIOUS... Date: 29 Jul 1996 10:41:19 -0400 >>The concert version of P.E.T.R.O.L. leaves me slightly disappointed with >>the album version. In case you missed it, they played it even faster, >>and tweaked it even further. > >They stepped up the album version from the Wipeout version and i agree the >live version is a further step. > >> WOW. I still dig the album version, but I think I >>like the album Out There Somewhere? the best. It is so long, and so >>beautiful. I trip out every time, just like the first time. > >I think Out There Somewhere? , TGWTSIHH and Dwr Budr are the highlights of >IN SIDES. Dwr Budr got mixed reviews but the Moog synths really do me in. > >>I am still very into 'Times Fly' though. I think this is a song that >>doesn't get enough credit, but it really is a pre-Insides type of song. >>bought the single in February (import) and I was still happy to get it on >>my In Sides bonus disc. > >I got Times Fly on the release in November but heard it on ISDN night. >Personnally i didnt rate "Times Fly" as a top track by Orbital. >Tranquilizer and Sad But New were both excellent. Although i wish the ISDN >version was released on the CD instead (with the John Major voice over). > >Cheers > >Steve LOOPZ PRice >ORbital Zine Huh? Wipeout version of PETROL.... ISDN version of TIMES FLY? I missed the NY show, so that could be why I'm clueless! 'splain me someting! besides the extra 'rabbit in the moon' mixes on the 'are we here' dbl vinyl promo(?) are there any other promo only mixes? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cdaraghy@exit109.com (charlie daraghy) Subject: re:Times Fly & Samples Date: 29 Jul 1996 10:43:18 -0400 >>I remember reading about a Phil Collins sample in Times Fly. I've >>listened to it several times and I can't seem to spot it. Actually, I >>can't seem to spot anything familiar in any Orbital song. > >You can hear Phil Collins in Times Fly (the whinging whining vocals). >Have i mentioned Madonna yet ? ;) > >The old live set of Chime had Madonnas "Material Girl" sampled into it. >I have that on tape if anyone wants to trade ? >Did you know that ? > >Cheers > >Steve LOOPZ Price OOooh. Chime. ...... I have a really bad dub of a dub of a dub copy of "Chime (friends of matthew mix)" is delicious, but I wish I knew where the hell it came from! Anyone else have this? PS I also like that version of LUSH on the b-side of the US 12" for "impact usa" 1958 trancedental mix or something like that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gsxiii@usa.pipeline.com (GS13) Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto/NIN whines? Date: 29 Jul 1996 14:47:45 GMT On Jul 28, 1996 19:02:41, 'Bigsixty@aol.com' wrote: >And come on, when was the last time you had a girl in your >room, and you just wanted to let her hear loudly 'I want to fuck you like an animal' HEY HEY calm down there, some of us have sensitive eyes... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cdaraghy@exit109.com (charlie daraghy) Subject: Re: Autechre Date: 29 Jul 1996 10:49:33 -0400 >The man said... >"the double cd US version of "Tri Repeatae" is a great bargain, in that you get >the album, and 2 of their ep's, "garbage" and "anvil vapre". > >Bloody hell! All US Hartnoll fans get out and buy this!! > >Garbage goes down as one of the best tracks EVER! And for all those on an >industrial tip, anvil vapre has a sample of a bomb exploding and one of the >largest beats commited to vinyl/cd. The album's got some great stuff on too. >Clipper is my personal fave. In short, Buy it. Now. > >Cheers, d I like c/pach and off amber i like 'nil' the 'basscadet' cd single and vinyl have different versions from each other too. including beaumont hannant mixes... HEY... forgot to plug Beumont. His "texturology" album is great...if you can find it. I think his last one 'sculptured' was even harder to get though. "Texturology" is melodic techno, similar to Kenny Larkin (on a GOOD day) it's on GPR records 1994 general production recordings. GPR cd 4 10 tracks. very solid. cool slip/tab packaging too. 'scuptured' i can't describe really. not as upbeat and even-tempered as 'textured'? i have not listened to it in a while. lida husik does vocals on some tracks too. "WHERE CAN I BUY ORBITAL? WHERE CAN I FIND GOOD RECORDS?" someone said 'www.musicblvd.com' but i was not impressed, cdnow and cdeurope are sometimes worth a try, though the telnet database and web page for cdeurope seems a little outdated to me (What? cocteau twins 'violaine' STILL isn't in it?) I got the second beaumont hannant through LAKESHORE RECORD EXCHANGE http://www.monroe.edu/lre/lakeshorehp Tell 'em Charlie sent ya! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cdaraghy@exit109.com (charlie daraghy) Subject: re:Re: In Sides/"Dwr Budr"...lyrics? Date: 29 Jul 1996 10:53:20 -0400 >>Sent by:shaunr@juno.com (Shaun D Rader) >> I've recorded the voice and listened to it backwards and I still have no >>idea what it is. I read before that it was supposed to be Madonna. > >Its close to Madonna. > >> I admit I'm not a Madonna fan, but it just doesn't sound like one of her >>songs. Maybe it's the mysterious Auntie?? > >Maybe. > >Steve LOOPZ Price >Orbital Zine. Rabbit in the Moon have a 12" called "OBE" (out of body experience) and there's a "Mad on a Dub mix" on it, and it has this ethereal "Feel like dying......" sample in it (along with 2 creepy kids saying "you were floating away mummy, up and up" and it's madonna from "like a prayer". very cool track too. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mitchel Waas Subject: Re: Music categories Date: 29 Jul 1996 11:01:09 -0400 > > Well, with a collection the size of mine (a little under 2500 discs at > >present), I tried organizing by genre... ONCE > > WOW. That is a hell of a lot of CD's. I have about 150 CD's at most, and I > barely organize them at all. Every time I alphabetize, it gets messed up too > soon, so I quit that nonsense. I only keep my ambient and my jungle in their > "section". It just makes it easier for those times when I just want to say, > chill fast, I just grab one from the ambient pile, or if I want it to slam, I > grab one from the jungle pile. Some of the "ambient jungle" ends up in > either pile. There aren't enough categories for all the various styles, and > there really shouldn't be. A category just molds a band. Of course, a > classical category isn't really going to mold that music, huh? Not exactly, no. :) > How do you have enough time to listen to all 2500? It would take a year. > Have you ever thought about trading in some of your old ones? Aye. Well, I drive a LOT thru the South Florida area, upwards of 1000 miles a week at times, so I keep a steady stash of about four or five hundred discs in my car for easy access. I also work out of my home, so I have a steady supply of discs to throw into my 7-disc changer on any given moment. I don't listen thru ALL 2500, as a large number of the discs are just "throwaways" - discs that I personally never listen to, but many of my friends like (the radio fodder, top-40, easy listening-type stuff - Mariah Carey, Gloria Estefan, Melissa Etheridge, Neal Diamond, Barry Manilow, stuff like that). I personally probably only listen to about 1000 discs in my collection on anything approaching a "regular" basis. > Okay. I'm done. Good. :) lateron Mitch Waas Midnight Sorrow ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: XENOPHON Subject: Re: Download Date: 29 Jul 1996 08:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Hey- I know it's a bit off Orbital (but at least it's not NIN), but I just saw Download and wanted to tell you to go see it! It was amazing. Best described as noisy industrial trance. It's Skinny Puppy mixed with Zoviet Fance. Think of the combo and that's waht you really hear. The singer was sampling and looping on stage with a recorder and was also using many many toys to get his sounds (a power ranger up to the mic at one point). It was a very cool show. I wouldn't post this if I didn't think it would be of worth to you guys and it's not like I can talk about an upcoming Orbital show! Have to do something between tours. Even got to meet cEvin Key. Really a nice guy. Xenophon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ed naylor Subject: Live Orbital Recording!! Date: 29 Jul 1996 16:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Just out today here in the UK is a CD compilation of live tracks culled from Radio One's series of concerts held in Leeds earlier this year, which includes a live version of The Box - can't say what this is like as I missed the broadcast, anyone got any thoughts? The rest of the CD is mostly guitar-based stuff but it is only ten pounds so maybe worth a flutter? As far as Goldie LPs are concerned - the Metalheadz compilation is out today and looks unmissable, and the second LP proper may not be too far ahead, it even has a title (which escapes me at the minute but which he revealed to MixMag magazine last week). Ed *OFF-TOPIC WARNING!* I shall be in the Orange County/ San Diego area at the end of August - anyone got any info. on decent house/techno nightlife or record stores that are worth checking out? Any help much appreciated - personal Email only please!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neil Muir" Subject: Re[3]: all this bullshit Date: 29 Jul 1996 16:47:35 >To Steve Loopz Price Bang on , Steve , about whats people think classifies whats good and whats not . I listen to such a wide variety of music that although orbital are up there with the best Guitar music can still have it's place and if it's ambience the kids want what about My bloody valentine , Spirtulized , or the verve ( slow tracks) Not a repetitive trancey beat in sight or sound! Also have any of you lot heard " Chill Out " By the KLF Cool Stuff Neil ' the mad scotman ' ICI ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete Ashdown Subject: Mortal Kombat Date: 29 Jul 1996 10:00:36 -0600 (MDT) >Anyone else think that Halcyon+on+on was used beautifully in the Mortal >Kombat movie? When they flashed to the scene of the blue sky and people >running around with streamers, it just seemed appropriate. Actually, I >don't remember the movie that much, so the scene description might be >totally wrong. Yeah, too bad it couldn't have been a better movie. I wonder if the Hartnolls are ever going to do a movie score? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dean Pachano Subject: Re: a matter of taste Date: 29 Jul 1996 08:36:14 -0700 > (disclaimer: using categories to help with explanation, i hate them too) I like "ambient", "dub", "techno", "trip-hop", the list could go on. From my perspective these are only reference points for style, technique, composition, etc. It doesn't take very long into a piece to realize that it may contain elements from each of these genres. What I get tired of more than anything is this constant qualification process that we find ourselves concentrating on to impress people that we disagree with their useage forgetting the purpose they serve as reference points. Wasting our time before we get to the meat of the matter and that is the art itself and to what degree that it pleases us without any (ANY) kind of analysis to it's elements. In other words, am I here to speak as a tech or as a participant in receiving the finished product. i LOVE orbitals > rhythms!! their use of negative space is supurb. I agree, there is a subtle complexity that leaves me wanting to return to marvel in its manifestation. Searching to find flaws that would allow me not to return in interest again. I imagine sometimes that they are not the creators but that they discovered these pieces floating through space and pulled them into their craft and then displayed them for public viewing. It is a "feel" that I would someday like to aquire in my own composition but have not been able to acheive yet, like proper meditation, allowing the mind to flow simply. In reading the rest of your article here I would have one other comment (and it is only my opinion). That you might try less (if any) comparison to other bands when discussing your own projects - for me it shows more self confidence. I found it interesting to read your comments on the frustration in the intial stages of developing and finding it difficult to produce longer than 4 minute pieces. It is something that I could identify with in reference to my own experience and it made me smile to hear someone else share that. Remora@earthlink.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ethan G." Subject: RE: all this bullshit Date: 29 Jul 1996 11:03:20 -0500 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB7D40.86FC9620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- Sent: Sunday, July 28, 1996 1:40 PM it seems everyone on this list thinks one of the following: 1.music is bad unless it's trancey 2.music is bad unless you can dance to it 3.music is bad unless it's non-repetitive/non-sequenced 4.music is bad unless it's good for driving 5.music is bad unless it gets heavy rotation at parties 6.music is bad unless it's by brian eno=20 6.music is bad unless it's by orbital -Joe Beuckman | jbeuckm@siue.edu | http://www.siue.edu/~jbeuckm *Ozone Troop: | http://bigfoot.ecl.wustl.edu/~paul/ozone/ I'm the one who wrote that Brian Eno stuff. And I think all of those = supposed guidelines for music are crap. The music I make isn't trancey, = some of it can't be danced to, much of it IS repetitive and just about = ALL of it is sequenced, hasn't ever been played at a party, is NOT by/or = influenced by Brian Eno (since I have NEVER heard any of his work), and = it's also NOT by Orbital....and I LOVE it. I also love TONS of other = kinds of music. I grew up on (and am still growing up on) classical = music. I have never heard any of Prodigy, Underworld, KMFDM, all those = other industrial bands (except Ministry and NIN) or any of this jungle = stuff people speak of. I listen to tons of other kinds of music, Phish, = Pink Floyd, Jazz, Classical, Stereo Lab!!!, Beatles, Sonic Youth, Bjork, = Phillip Glass, and Portishead. Here's the simple truth: If music moves you in a way you like to be moved, it's good. If music = does nothing for you, it's bad. Am I right? 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Subject: RE: Quality Seconds in Supercop Date: 29 Jul 1996 11:13:12 -0500 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB7D40.8CD88680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- Sent: Monday, July 29, 1996 4:54 AM Anyone else think that Halcyon+on+on was used beautifully in the Mortal Kombat movie? When they flashed to the scene of the blue sky and people running around with streamers, it just seemed appropriate. Actually, I don't remember the movie that much, so the scene description might be totally wrong. Shaun Rader I haven't seen Mortal Kombat but I much like how they used Halcyon... in = the beginning of Hackers. 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Subject: RE: Times Fly & Samples Date: 29 Jul 1996 11:18:24 -0500 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB7D40.91A96F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- Sent: Monday, July 29, 1996 4:49 AM I never really thought Times Fly was one of the better Orbital songs.=20 Actually, the whole EP was a disappointment in my opinion. I thought of it as a step back from Snivilization. I'll take the Radiccio EP over Times Fly any day. I remember reading about a Phil Collins sample in Times Fly. I've listened to it several times and I can't seem to spot it. Actually, I can't seem to spot anything familiar in any Orbital song. Shaun Rader Times Fly might seem like a step backward from Snivilization depending = on what kind of music you like. It surprised me when I first heard = it....was quite unimaginative and boring. But it soon became on of my = favorite Orbital tunes. GOOD enough to put on a single where one will = hear it OVER and OVER again because singles are so short. Anyway, I have = used the drum samples from Times Fly in many of my songs....they are = well hidden...but work VERY well. Very smooth. Sometimes I really wish = they would do some more things with samples of people....talking and = such. I even liked the John Peel Session single with the version of = Attached on it...that bit from British radio was a cute touch. 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Date: 29 Jul 1996 17:41:08 BST >Huh? >Wipeout version of PETROL.... ISDN version of TIMES FLY? P.E.T.R.O.L was first released as a Sony Playstation "Wipeout" theme tune. This was then dumped on a compilation Cd called "Wipeout". The version is shorter and different. Times Fly was first broadcast before its release on ISDN night on radio 1 in the UK (i must add to overseas people). Orbital were in the strongroom and used the ISDN link to broadcast Times Fly and Sad But New. >I missed the NY show, so that could be why I'm clueless! Nah >'splain me someting! besides the extra 'rabbit in the moon' mixes on the >'are we here' dbl vinyl promo(?) are there any other promo only mixes? Dont think so.... the British (original) and the American versions are the only ones i know off. Didnt like RITM mixes though ... i know they were popular. Cheers Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:Times Fly & Samples Date: 29 Jul 1996 17:42:27 BST >PS I also like that version of LUSH on the b-side of the US 12" for >"impact usa" 1958 trancedental mix or something like that. 1926 ... its nice. This 12 was given away in a competition in the last zine ;) Cheers Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ethan G." Subject: RE: a matter of taste - Sequencing? Date: 29 Jul 1996 11:39:29 -0500 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB7D42.CAA5D600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- Sent: Monday, July 29, 1996 4:27 AM rhythms!! their use of negative space is supurb. i began writing=20 "orbital-esque" drums back in '90, envisioning the use of drum-patterns=20 and sounds to be a model for the rhythms of a song, but not a matching=20 template (like most 'generic' radio house music), maybe even some=20 counter-rhythms as well used like counter melodies. the problem that = was=20 had back in '90 (i was 16) is our arrangement skills were just being=20 honed and writing a 4 minute song was enough of a complicated task. =20 (not to mention our lack of equipment and our freshman levels of synth=20 programming and musical composition, etc, etc. with the addition of=20 these "rhythmic" elements and the added complexities, it would take a=20 good 6 minutes to even begin to deal with those new elements. (times are = for=20 example, not absolutes) we were fighting to arrange a 3.5 minute song so = it sonded good. we werent ready for arrangement experiments... when we=20 were beginning to venture into that territory, Orbital comes along and=20 puts out the brown album, and begins to tread those waters. (you can = hear=20 the rhythms in the parts more than the 'drum patterns' on this album, = but=20 everyone knows Snivilisation, and now InSides! anyhow, orbital has been = a=20 step ahead of all my visions and not only that, they have surpassed some = of the visions... AND they make beautiful and wonderous music=20 (to my ears). but, we are not Orbital, so we should find a niche = sometime...=20 and NEW visions to persue. (if Orbital doesnt get there first :) we can=20 call them an "influence" cant we?? :) )=20 ____________________________________________________________ dennis morales jr dfish@havoc.gtf.gatech.edu dreamhouse - http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/dfish/dreamhouse/ It's good to see a fellow musician who appriciates and has parallels to = Orbital. I, myself, am 16 right now and have been writing music = seriously for over a year. Last November I got a sampler and have been = quite into it ever since. A lot of my music resembles Orbital...(and I = did a 7 and a half minute "remix" of many of the elements on = Diversions). Mostly Impact USA and the Lushes. Recently I have been = realizing how simple many of the Orbital beats actually are. I mean, = they are complex....but it is easier for me to figure them out and = duplicate them on my own. But then again much of my stuff resembles = Moby....or FSoL....and lots of it resembles nothing I have ever heard. I = guess that's what makes it my own, huh? The stuff of mine I like the = best is the music that is more melodic....the stuff that keeps = changing... What sequencing program do you have at the heart of your = stuff? 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The CD has 10 tracks of original music he made for the game.. there's a _ >couple spots with some thrashing guitar, but most of the time it's eerie, _ >apocalyptic ambience -- a "mood-setter" for the game, but musically valuable on _ >its own. it's very, very scary and very, very good. _ > _ _ I'd be interested in hearing how you managed to get a hold of Quake _ especially since it has not even been released yet. You must either work _ for iD, a gaming magazine or you're a pirate. _ >-- End of excerpt from Anthony Agee -- /-> John Shiple Interface Designer Construct Internet Design squishy@construct.net http://www.construct.net/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Transistor Rhythm Subject: (orbital) Orbital Super Site on the way. Date: 29 Jul 1996 11:01:26 -0700 (PDT) just a quick announcement from your lurking list admin, there is about to be an Orbital 'Super Web Site' at the Xmission. pete ashdown has kindly donated a substantial amount of disk space to make this happen. if anyone has any obital material they'd like to submit, please respond to me asap, as we're about to put this thing in place. we will always welcome your (orbital subs) ideas and requests. it's going to be pretty amazing. more details about the site in the next few days... cheers! peter http://hyperreal.com/music/labels/orbitrecords http://hyperreal.com/music/labels/grooveneedle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Osborn Subject: Stop it please Date: 29 Jul 1996 14:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Okay i know many messages get posted with very little content about orbital here(i'm to blame for some of them) but now my mail box is filled with Trent Reznor, that guy from NIN(i will follow the advice, if you can't say anything nice about him don't say it, and will keep my mouth shut) the reason for this complain is that i logged on to see 300 messages in my mail box today(up from usual 90) and half of them were ones from this list with nothing to do with orbital. If only you and one other person care(and if its about NIN i sure as hell don't) don't send it to the list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: noctum Subject: Re: Quake music Date: 29 Jul 1996 13:54:23 -0500 At 02:21 PM 7/29/96 GMT, you wrote: >On Jul 27, 1996 21:30:09, 'orbital@wwi.net (Anthony Agee)' wrote: > > >> >>>If you want to hear Trent Reznor doing ambient/trancy stuff, buy the PC >game >>>Quake. The CD has 10 tracks of original music he made for the game.. >there's >>a >>>couple spots with some thrashing guitar, but most of the time it's eerie, > >>>apocalyptic ambience -- a "mood-setter" for the game, but musically >valuable >>on >>>its own. it's very, very scary and very, very good. >>> >> >>I'd be interested in hearing how you managed to get a hold of Quake >>especially since it has not even been released yet. You must either work >>for iD, a gaming magazine or you're a pirate. > >The shareware version of Quake *has* been released, and it can be >downloaded all over the place. Reznor/NIN not only did the music, they did >the sound effects as well. The ammo boxes for the nail gun also have the >NIN logo on them. >And despite all this, it still manages to be a pretty good game. > so what... what does this have to do with orbital? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Al Arzaga Subject: MBM Date: 29 Jul 1996 14:10:45 -0500 (CDT) Sorry.. no orbital references on this post. Please email replies to me privately... out of courtesy, y'know? Someone raved about the new Meat Beat Manifesto CD.... What's its title? aL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto/NIN whines? Date: 29 Jul 1996 16:09:36 EDT OR>On Sun, 28 Jul 1996, noctum wrote: OR>is this bugger a kid or what??? OR>just TRY to argue. Good call.. :) -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gandalf@wnc.com Subject: Re: Orbital and those others Date: 29 Jul 1996 16:15:12 EDT OR>Sorry to disagree with you, but all the fuzz that's been around Underworld OR>is very much well deserved. The have done with their two albums the perefct OR>mix between techno, dance and indie. So far, I haven't heard of anyone doing OR>something that's similar to it. Maybe you should listen them more carefully. OR>ALEJANDRO ALALUF OR>aalaluf@reuna.cl Err, could you please tell me what 'indie' music sounds like? I think I could recognize techno or dance, but not sure if I'd be able to pick out 'indie'. -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Sommerlade Subject: Re: KMFDM Date: 29 Jul 1996 22:07:09 +0200 (MESZ) On Mon, 29 Jul 1996 Bigsixty@aol.com wrote: > >> Did anyone check out this ORB- Remix Project double cd?? >> rules. > What ORB remix project are you talking about? Is this new? it is called 'Auntie Aubrey's Excursions beyond the call of duty' and has a blue cover with two turtles on it. eric. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Sommerlade Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto/NIN whines? Date: 29 Jul 1996 22:41:25 +0200 (MESZ) On Mon, 29 Jul 1996 Bigsixty@aol.com wrote: > as a matter of fact, I don't really love reznor all that much, but I do like > his music. His lyrics are bleak, but my ex-girlfriend sucked so bad that I > can truely understand what he is saying about the 'girl, heart, pain' thing. I guess this is how 90% of the guys start liking NIN. But as soon as this mood starts to vanish, one (at least me) gets bored by this kind of lyrics. > > And for Ministry - 'So what', that is an incredible song. I still like > 'Stigmata' the best though. The beat is bad. I think this is a really strange thing about those old Ministry releases: they have _THE_ beat, but not the equipment. It seems they are using their old korg from their pop days instead of a drumkit. I love Stigmata as well, but the cd is hardly as good as this song. > I don't think I would go to a > hamburg industrial/noise club though. Have you heard much 'Hardcore' or I > guess 'Gabberhouse/Rotterdam' - deep trance type of stuff? I did not think of Gabber or Hardcore techno, since this music scares me as well... i thought of 'real' industrial/ noise. In those clubs the people are as perverted as the music they hear... > My brother is way > into that. That kind of 'music' scares me. I dig fast, such as jungle, but > not that fast. The German stuff is evil dark too. I think this kind of music is too 'dumb' in a way to get listened. Other music uses loops as well, but the music does not consist of loops (or tori). I don't even think > Orbital could do a good song in that "genre" I would like. - well - I take > that back. If anyone could make a good tune like that, it would be Orbital. > Spicelab comes close. Remember 'Quality Seconds' ? They should put a bit more quality in there.. > > Anyone know of any good 'Hardcore' (not to be mistaken for old Punk Rock)? I > sure don't. Me neither. But I guess no one reads up to this poiint so this question will remain unanswered.. eric. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Duncan Reddish Subject: Re: Quake music Date: 29 Jul 1996 21:55:17 +000 > so what... what does this have to do with orbital? Thank Chist somebody's remembered what this list's for! :) Quake: nice game . Relevence? 0 NIN: Yeah, good one for an Ambient-and-whatever-you-classify-Orbital-as mailing list! I'd rather hear somebody who KNOWS how to produce good quality ambient stuff than Mr. Reznor trying his hand at it because he's realised that he's not making enough $$$ from the Industrial bullshit he usually produces. ------------cut here------- end of whinge!------------ Duncan Reddish -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Duncan Reddish Subject: how about it then? Date: 29 Jul 1996 21:57:09 +000 Does anyone know if you can get any rare Orbital stuff off the good ol' internet (or ftp - anything!) in something like MP2 format? There must be someone out there wanting to share all the stuff that the rest of us punters can't get. I know there's an FTP site that does all that sort of stuff for the Prodigy (hardly what you would call ambient, but it's a good site). I'm living in the UK, so there's not really any viable way of getting US releases (and I'm NOT paying EXTORTIONATE import prices!) Go on, spoil me with responces :-) PS. how to get these mailings to come weekly (like Digest type thing?) I'm kinda new to the workings of these mailing lists thingamajobs. Duncan Reddish -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Duncan Reddish Subject: Re: Live Orbital Recording!! Date: 29 Jul 1996 22:08:03 +000 > live version of The Box - can't say what this is like as I > missed the broadcast, anyone got any thoughts? I'm sure it'll be pretty good - but I'm not really prepared to spend money on live versions of stuff (unless I'm there, of course ;) ) > The rest of the CD is > mostly guitar-based stuff but it is only ten pounds so maybe worth a > flutter? There you go, you see! Orbital get shoved on the end of a CD with a lot of rubbish (no I don't know who else is on it so there is a VERY good chance I'm talking crap) Surely what every Orbital fan wants is something like a 'best of live' CD or something. . . It's not like therey're not popular or anything. > > As far as Goldie LPs are concerned - the Metalheadz compilation is out > today and looks unmissable, and the second LP proper may not be too > far ahead, it even has a title (which escapes me at the minute but which > he revealed to MixMag magazine last week). And here I was just an email ago whinging on about people talking about stuff other than Orbital on an Orbital mailing list and I'm going to talk about Metalheadz - just goes to show you what an unpredictable kind of guy I am! I'd rather get something like the Metalheadz compilation (anyone check out the free tape on MUZIK mag a couple of months back?) than the stuff Goldie produces himself. It was fresh at the time, but when you compare it to some of the guys he's got signed up, his stuff sounds, well, a bit crap after a while (not to say Timeless isn't kickin' [ :-) ] but it hasn't been in my CD player for a good few weeks now.... Right. I've stopped mumbling. I'm too tired to add anything really contructive. Sorry! > Ed > > *OFF-TOPIC WARNING!* > I shall be in the Orange County/ San Diego area at the end of August - > anyone got any info. on decent house/techno nightlife or record stores > that are worth checking out? > Any help much appreciated - personal Email only please!! > > Duncan Reddish -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: noctum Subject: Re: Stop it please Date: 29 Jul 1996 17:03:06 -0500 At 02:24 PM 7/29/96 -0400, you wrote: >Okay i know many messages get posted with very little content about >orbital here(i'm to blame for some of them) > >but now my mail box is filled with Trent Reznor, that guy from NIN(i will >follow the advice, if you can't say anything nice about him don't say it, >and will keep my mouth shut) > >the reason for this complain is that i logged on to see 300 messages in >my mail box today(up from usual 90) and half of them were ones from this >list with nothing to do with orbital. > >If only you and one other person care(and if its about NIN i sure as hell >don't) don't send it to the list. > > coolness.. works for me ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: noctum Subject: Re: Quake music Date: 29 Jul 1996 17:04:40 -0500 At 09:55 PM 7/29/96 +000, you wrote: >> so what... what does this have to do with orbital? > >Thank Chist somebody's remembered what this list's for! :) >Quake: nice game . Relevence? 0 >NIN: Yeah, good one for an >Ambient-and-whatever-you-classify-Orbital-as mailing list! I'd rather >hear somebody who KNOWS how to produce good quality ambient stuff >than Mr. Reznor trying his hand at it because he's realised that he's >not making enough $$$ from the Industrial bullshit he usually >produces. >------------cut here------- end of whinge!------------ > >Duncan Reddish -- > that was put so well.. do i see a copyright? haha ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: noctum Subject: ORBITAL MERCHANDISE!!! Date: 29 Jul 1996 17:48:11 -0500 i have found it.. after all these years :) IF you are interested in Orbital Merchandise send a S.A.S.E to: Tracy, 32 Windsor Court , Missouri City, TX 77459 Enjoy! -noctum@cris.com http://www.cris.com/~noctum ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Duncan Reddish Subject: Re: Stop it please Date: 30 Jul 1996 01:15:58 +000 > > if you can't say anything nice about him don't say it, > >and will keep my mouth shut) Nah, the guy could do with a good slagging. I've heard a good deal of his stuff (everyone has strange friends who listen to crap, don't they?) and it is total shit. Nevermind which mailing list we talk about the guy on - there's nothing like giving people a hard time, right? Peace love and unity!!! :) > >the reason for this complain is that i logged on to see 300 messages in > >my mail box today(up from usual 90) and half of them were ones from this > >list with nothing to do with orbital. That'll be 301 now then won't it? You didn't really expect to stop this constant spew about 'non-orbital-oriented' material with this posting did you? :-> Human nature, I guess! > >If only you and one other person care(and if its about NIN i sure as hell > >don't) don't send it to the list. > > You should lighten up, man > coolness.. works for me > Right.^^ OK. I've said my bit (again!) and you never know, next time I 'contribute' I might just have some news RE: orbital!!!! Where to you guys learn about half of this stuff anyway? Is there an Orbital school of strange information ... (not really worth a smiley, was it) Stop it please. Oh, come on, please. I'll tell my mummy. HONESTLY :-) See ya. Duncan Reddish -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Duncan Reddish Subject: could it be TRUE?!?! Date: 30 Jul 1996 01:49:04 +000 I'm afraid I'm a bit of a Prodigy fan. I don't know what the opinions of all the orbital fans regarding the Prodigy are (and quite frankly don't care) so if this information marks me as a terrible person then tough. Music for the Jilted... (apart from being rather good) has, I reckon, a sample from Snivilisation on it (or vice versa - they were both 1994 releases). I heard it ages ago and now I can't bloody find it (the sample that is, the CD's over there...) Anyone else know about this? Anyone else even care? No. You've got better things to do with your day/evening/night, haven't you. You haven't? oh dear. :) I'd just like to take this opportunity to tell Eric Osborn that it is actually possible to DELETE crap messages you get. I've got a folder called 'junk mail' for that very purpose (into which I put his silly email) have a nice day. No. Have a jolly superduperlovelyjuvly fantastic day. Some people are TOO nice. Duncan Reddish -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Duncan Reddish Subject: Re: ORBITAL MERCHANDISE!!! Date: 30 Jul 1996 01:55:44 +000 > Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:48:11 -0500 > To: orbital@xmission.com > From: noctum > Subject: ORBITAL MERCHANDISE!!! > Reply-to: orbital@xmission.com > i have found it.. > after all these years :) IF you are interested in Orbital Merchandise > send a S.A.S.E to: > Tracy, 32 Windsor Court , Missouri City, TX 77459 > Enjoy! > > -noctum@cris.com > http://www.cris.com/~noctum > > Nice one, mate! How do you guys get hold of this stuff :{) <-- not quite sure what that smiley is.... Duncan Reddish -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: yhuang0@sas.upenn.edu (Visual Purple) Subject: Re: ORBITAL MERCHANDISE!!! Date: 29 Jul 1996 22:00:06 -0400 (EDT) If this is the same address that is inside the Diversions disc, I have tried sending a SASE to them but received no reply. just thought i'd let everyone know my experiences with this. anyone else actually get something? noctum wrote: > > i have found it.. > after all these years :) IF you are interested in Orbital Merchandise > send a S.A.S.E to: > Tracy, 32 Windsor Court , Missouri City, TX 77459 > Enjoy! > > -noctum@cris.com > http://www.cris.com/~noctum > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony Bryan Subject: Orbital Interview... Date: 27 Jul 1996 06:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Seconds magazine #38 also has an interview w/ P&P (& a history of ambient music). Also of note (just got it for free) Wire 148 from June has stuff on MBM & Andrew Weatherall on the cover. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: " PETER V. NAYLOR " Subject: Re: Aphex, Orbital et all. Date: 29 Jul 1996 23:32:48 -0400 (EDT) In regards to Aphex and Selected Ambient Works I think maybe y'all should take into account when it was done? And look to others like MBM and 808 and realize that if it weren't for them Enya and Yanni would dominate the Ambient sections of your local peddler...Opinions will always vary, to be sure, but Selected Works inspires man...and Aphex have not put anything out since to compare. On the note of consistency mind you, Orbital are on another plane and though I wish the Hartnoll's the upmost wealth, I'm super-supportive of DJ's keeping the poseurs in the dark...I want to experience them up close and in my face, not from section 2million, blue, rowZZ, seat 99. There's no other way... Until the next tour. Paul. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gsxiii@usa.pipeline.com (GS13) Subject: Re: Stop it please Date: 30 Jul 1996 03:45:19 GMT As much as i like to read about Orbital, just atlking about the same venue over & over becomes a little tedious. I enjoy the meandering messages because i see what other people listen to and like, and how they came to dig Orbital. After all, didn't they release an album called...Diversions? >You didn't really expect to stop >this constant spew about 'non-orbital-oriented' material with this >posting did you? :-> >Human nature, I guess! > >If only you and one other person care(and if its about NIN i sure as hell > >don't) don't send it to the list. > > >You should lighten up, man ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: noctum Subject: Re: ORBITAL MERCHANDISE!!! Date: 29 Jul 1996 23:59:17 -0500 At 01:55 AM 7/30/96 +000, you wrote: >> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:48:11 -0500 >> To: orbital@xmission.com >> From: noctum >> Subject: ORBITAL MERCHANDISE!!! >> Reply-to: orbital@xmission.com > >> i have found it.. >> after all these years :) IF you are interested in Orbital Merchandise >> send a S.A.S.E to: >> Tracy, 32 Windsor Court , Missouri City, TX 77459 >> Enjoy! >> >> -noctum@cris.com >> http://www.cris.com/~noctum >> >> >Nice one, mate! How do you guys get hold of this stuff :{) <-- not >quite sure what that smiley is.... > >Duncan Reddish -- > all in a days work.. :D look in the cover of diversions i always just listened to the cds and never really thought to look in them.. hheh ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Plump Subject: Re: Orbital and those others Date: 29 Jul 1996 23:08:32 -0700 (PDT) On 29 Jul 1996 gandalf@wnc.com wrote: > OR>Sorry to disagree with you, but all the fuzz that's been around Underworld > OR>is very much well deserved. The have done with their two albums the perefct > OR>mix between techno, dance and indie. So far, I haven't heard of anyone doing > OR>something that's similar to it. Maybe you should listen them more carefully. > > OR>ALEJANDRO ALALUF > OR>aalaluf@reuna.cl > > Err, could you please tell me what 'indie' music sounds like? I > think I could recognize techno or dance, but not sure if I'd be able to > pick out 'indie'. yeah, and to suggest that Wax Trax (Underworld's label) is indie is laughable at best... orbital@teleport.com sprays his llamas with a new all-purpose cleanser. "If you absolutely HAVE to eat that, maybe you should at least fry it!" --Joe Dietz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shaunr@juno.com (Shaun D Rader) Subject: Re: Times Fly & Samples Date: 29 Jul 1996 17:37:28 PST On Mon, 29 Jul 96 11:54:44 BST steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk writes: >You can hear Phil Collins in Times Fly (the whinging whining vocals). >Have i mentioned Madonna yet ? ;) Please don't tell me that Phil Collins is the main vocal throughout the song. I always thought that it was a woman's voice. It's probably some other vocal, I'll listen to it again... Thanks for the info. Shaun Rader ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:wipeout Date: 30 Jul 1996 10:20:30 BST >Sent by:cdaraghy@exit109.com (charlie daraghy) > hey , i have a playstation and i have wipeout. >i know if you put the cd in a regular player, there's about 8 tunes... >i dont know petrol well enough to say if it's on the disc. >I thought the music for wipeout was originally done by 'cold storage' ??? Nah....if you get the compilation CD you will see the many artists involved. P.E.T.R.O.L is a cross between screaming seagulls in Jungle Nightclub (!). There what a completly mad way to describe a track. I think ive lost it! Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:Re: Stop it please Date: 30 Jul 1996 10:25:39 BST >Right.^^ >OK. I've said my bit (again!) and you never know, next time I >Duncan Reddish -- I can see the point of Freedom of Speech and i can also see the point of off topic mail. I think as this is called the Orbital Mailing List, all postings should at least refer to Orbital in some way. MBM at least are collaborators (sp?) with Orbital. There are loads of Newsgroups/Mailing Lists waiting for information about Aphex,MBM and stuff like that. I have approx 60+ personnal messages per day. My lovely work gateway had a mad one over the weekend so come Monday morning i was confronted with 180 + personnal messages plus the Mailing list stuff. I didnt get much work done ;) Stop slagging each other off and think before you post. We can all be friends ;))))))))) Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine. p.s. i have lost it! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:Re[3]: all this bullshit Date: 30 Jul 1996 10:32:32 BST >Also have any of you lot heard " Chill Out " By the KLF Ive got it one CD....only one track...lasts bloody ages. Classic stuff >Cool Stuff ok cool stuff ;) Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Hopkins Subject: re:Re: Stop it please Date: 30 Jul 1996 10:52 BST At 10:25 30/07/96 BST, Steve wrote: >Stop slagging each other off and think before you post. Slagging each other off I can live with, but will whoever it is that keeps sending attachments to the list PACK IT IN. The next person to pollute my hard disk f****n' gets it! RAT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:Re: Times Fly & Samples Date: 30 Jul 1996 11:53:35 BST >>You can hear Phil Collins in Times Fly (the whinging whining vocals). >>Have i mentioned Madonna yet ? ;) >Please don't tell me that Phil Collins is the main vocal throughout the >song. I always thought that it was a woman's voice. It's probably some >other vocal, I'll listen to it again... Im afriad it IS THE ANTI-CHRISt! Cheers Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk Subject: re:(orbital) Orbital Super Site on the way. Date: 30 Jul 1996 11:56:54 BST Excellent news. What kind of donations are you talking about ? Cheers Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine. ----------------------[Reply - Original Message]---------------------- Sent by:Transistor Rhythm just a quick announcement from your lurking list admin, there is about to be an Orbital 'Super Web Site' at the Xmission. pete ashdown has kindly donated a substantial amount of disk space to make this happen. if anyone has any obital material they'd like to submit, please respond to me asap, as we're about to put this thing in place. we will always welcome your (orbital subs) ideas and requests. it's going to be pretty amazing. more details about the site in the next few days... cheers! peter http://hyperreal.com/music/labels/orbitrecords http://hyperreal.com/music/labels/grooveneedle ===================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dennis morales jr Subject: Re: a matter of taste Date: 30 Jul 1996 07:37:00 -0400 (EDT) > In reading the rest of your article here I would have one other comment (and > it is only my opinion). That you might try less (if any) comparison to other > bands when discussing your own projects - for me it shows more self confidence. this is the Orbital mailing list, remember? :) i like to try to keep my posts on topic. *giggle* no, that is why i was speaking in reference to them... as "influences" and as blokes who stole my ideas!! (no, just kidding) you know, i almost didnt write that because i thought people might think we were trying to be Orbital or something silly like that. i envy them tremendously for doing what i wish to be doing, in alot of ways... and admire them as well, but trying to be them is another story, and we arent in it. :) > I found it interesting to read your comments on the frustration in the intial > stages of developing and finding it difficult to produce longer than 4 minute > pieces. It is something that I could identify with in reference to my own > experience and it made me smile to hear someone else share that. wouldnt it be arrogant to say, "i just walked into the studio for the first time and produced this." (drops "In Sides" on the table) ?? its really good to know people who can admit they are human and wrote mediocre 3 minute songs once upon a time. :) ____________________________________________________________ dennis morales jr dfish@havoc.gtf.gatech.edu dreamhouse - http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/dfish/dreamhouse/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Duncan Reddish Subject: re:Re: Stop it please Date: 30 Jul 1996 13:10:57 +000 > Stop slagging each other off and think before you post. > > We can all be friends ;))))))))) > > Steve LOOPZ Price > Orbital Zine. > > p.s. i have lost it! OK OK point taken. It was late, I was tired . I still love all you guys (this is one of those cherished AMerican moments happening all over your monitor) RE your PS. I'll find it for you Now about that sample featured in Sniv. and Music for a Jilted...I think that sample's from Science Friction... only a guess. Duncan Reddish -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Duncan Reddish Subject: re:Re: Stop it please Date: 30 Jul 1996 13:17:17 +000 > The next person to pollute my hard disk f****n' gets it! > > RAT > > I've said I'm bloody sorry. Stop losing your temper, you guys! You're all supposed to be into trippy dreamy ambient music :) Looks like half of you need it. :-) Catch some sleep or something. Hit delete more often if you don't like what you see. It's not that much of a problem, really. It's about life, exsistence, purpose and of course, wisdom itself. I'm done Duncan Reddish -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Duncan Reddish Subject: re:Re: Stop it please Date: 30 Jul 1996 13:20:30 +000 > sending attachments to the list PACK IT IN. It's not that Ethen G. character is it? I got some strange shit that meant nothing along with his emails. Binary rubbish. (unlike Orbital ) I'm logging off. Give us some juicy news next time I'm back. Sorry I don't have much to say, but the UK seems a little devoid of anything interesting these days... so we just spraff crap at you guys. I'm sorry goodluck!! Duncan Reddish -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dennis morales jr Subject: Re: a matter of taste - Seqencing? Date: 30 Jul 1996 08:25:32 -0400 (EDT) ethan g., well, i guess your email address is something else! im posting to the newsgroup with this, but write me back, my email address is in my signature. ____________________________________________________________________________ > > It's good to see a fellow musician who appriciates and has parallels to = > > Orbital. I, myself, am 16 right now and have been writing music = > > seriously for over a year. very, very cool! tell me about it! gear you have, gear you want, name of your "group" if you have one, or if you are solo... etc., etc. > > Last November I got a sampler and have been quite into it ever since. > > realizing how simple many of the Orbital beats actually are. I mean, = > > they are complex....but it is easier for me to figure them out and = early orbital is _simple_, just listen to the arrangements on the green album. everything is loops, and happens in 2 or 4 bar intervals. the drum programming is not much more than a tr-909 on a set few patterns most of the time. but the deal is, even though it is simple, it is pleasant to hear, making it musical. (who cares how its done, its cool... that kind of reaction, you know?) but, being a musician, we tend to look (ahem, listen) to music a little differently, really noticeing the individual elements and possibly how they are accomplished. (besides, the more you know and learn - the simpler everything becomes, but that doesnt mean too much...) > > The stuff of mine I like the = > > best is the music that is more melodic....the stuff that keeps changing... stuff that you yourself would go out and buy? you know... for you? i try to write music: creatively, honestly, that i like. > > What sequencing program do you have at the heart of your stuff? Use > > Mac or PC? we (currently) are using "cheEZy VISION" (opcode), and we honestly like it ALOT. we tried using bigger and more expensive programs, but we like EZ Vision. besides, we are de-centralising and going to a more versitile, live, modular kind-of set up... with hardware sequencers & on board ones being used. we will still prob. have a central sequencer, but we havent fleshed it all out yet, there are still major logisital problems to figure out. we are going to finish the ep/demo we are presently working on with our current equipment and then make changes afterwards. oh, yeah... Mac. later on and on and on. ____________________________________________________________ dennis morales jr dfish@havoc.gtf.gatech.edu dreamhouse - http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/dfish/dreamhouse/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neil Muir" Subject: A Plea Date: 30 Jul 1996 14:24:45 This is a small plea to all the bickering going on . the mailing list is the beezness , Lets not f**k things up by just slagging each other off ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Al Arzaga Subject: Re: Re: Stop it please Date: 30 Jul 1996 08:46:24 -0500 (CDT) > > At 10:25 30/07/96 BST, Steve wrote: > > >Stop slagging each other off and think before you post. > > Slagging each other off I can live with, but will whoever it is that keeps > sending attachments to the list PACK IT IN. > > The next person to pollute my hard disk f****n' gets it! > I used to get this from a friend of mine, too. From what I understand, those who're using a Microsoft mailer of some sort send an attached binary file that, if the receiver is operating on a Windows platform (I think), that binary file is executed and sends an acknowledgement to the sender indicating that the message has been opened and read.... Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe that's what he told me... I asked my friend to stop it, cuz I have no use for this on either my mac HD or unix shell... and he did. aL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Renee Baker" Subject: Re[2]: Times Fly & Samples Date: 30 Jul 1996 06:54:38 -0700 Even I could tell it was Phil Collins (I'm no trainspotter; I'm too busy flying). I believe the sample is of him singing "No More"--but just a smidge of it. Sounds like it's played forward and maybe backwards--and it's seamless (MO). Steve@Loopz: Where's that sample? Love y'all, Nay _______________________________________________________________________________ On Mon, 29 Jul 96 11:54:44 BST steve.price@hoskyns.co.uk writes: >You can hear Phil Collins in Times Fly (the whinging whining vocals). >Have i mentioned Madonna yet ? ;) Please don't tell me that Phil Collins is the main vocal throughout the song. I always thought that it was a woman's voice. It's probably some other vocal, I'll listen to it again... Thanks for the info. Shaun Rader ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neil Muir" Subject: Re[2]: (orbital) Orbital Super Site on the way. Date: 30 Jul 1996 15:46:07 Received: by ccmail Received: from uknet by wilton.ici.co.uk (UUPC/extended 1.11) with UUCP; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:48:13 BST Received: from mail.xmission.com by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.7.5/SMI-5.5-UKPS INet) id NAA26147; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:44:43 +0100 (BST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by mail.xmission.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) id EAA26412 for orbital-goout; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 04:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hgty.hoskyns.co.uk (hgty.hoskyns.co.uk [192.147.150.2]) by mail.xm ission.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id EAA26394 for ; Tue, 3 0 Jul 1996 04:47:52 -0600 (MDT) X-ccAdmin: Uwilton@uknet Message-Id: <199607301051.LAA07054@hgty.hoskyns.co.uk> Received: forwarded by SMTP 1.5.2. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Incognito-SN: 314 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.01 ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-orbital@xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: orbital@xmission.com Excellent news. What kind of donations are you talking about ? Cheers Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine. ----------------------[Reply - Original Message]---------------------- Sent by:Transistor Rhythm just a quick announcement from your lurking list admin, there is about to be an Orbital 'Super Web Site' at the Xmission. pete ashdown has kindly donated a substantial amount of disk space to make this happen. if anyone has any obital material they'd like to submit, please respond to me asap, as we're about to put this thing in place. we will always welcome your (orbital subs) ideas and requests. it's going to be pretty amazing. more details about the site in the next few days... cheers! peter http://hyperreal.com/music/labels/orbitrecords http://hyperreal.com/music/labels/grooveneedle ===================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Duncan Reddish Subject: FOUND IT! :) Date: 30 Ju