From: Matt Gundlach Subject: A Veritable Cornucopia of Questions... Date: 03 Apr 1997 19:51:46 -0800 I've thought up a lot questions to ask you all-knowing electronical types over the past week (server was down, so when I got back I had around 400 messages wating for me..deleted them all). I'm only going to do one at a time so youre not all completely over whelmed. BUT! Heres my first question: I just went down to the record store and tried to order the green album (it's sorta yellow here in the states) and after a few weeks of back ordering, they said its been deleted! (on CD at least) Has any one of you other yanks had this problem? The Other Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Gundlach Subject: Re: "hidden" tracks Date: 04 Apr 1997 20:25:00 -0800 The FSOL CD "Dead Cities" has a hidden track too, after about a minute of silence. Nothing new w/ hidden tracks. And while i'm on the subject of dead cities, can anybody tell me the tracklisting for the US version? There's 15 song names on the back, but only 13 tracks! (14 if you count Mr. Hidden Track) It's been driving me crazy! The Other Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Flynn Subject: Re: LYRICS TO THE BOX : MOVEMENT FOUR Date: 01 Apr 1997 22:09:41 +1000 You hope in vain that we stop talking about it, because I thought the first two lines were "Shares his neighbours with a building Knows addresses of by heart". There might be other disagreements about it too! Cheers, Jon At 11:47 PM 3/30/97 -0800, you wrote: >Here for all to see so that we may all stop talking about it are the >lyrics to the box movement 4: > >The Box (Internal/1996/UK/LIECD 30 / 850579.2) > >shared his neighbors where the building >knows who dresses up my heart Home Email: jjf@matra.com.au Work Email: jonathan.flynn@sbs.com.au WWW: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jjf "...we want the finest wines known to humanity!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Chen Subject: Re: LYRICS TO THE BOX : MOVEMENT FOUR Date: 01 Apr 1997 00:28:04 -0800 hi guys, i am new on this mailing list. i think orbital rox!!!....:-) cya ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Chen Subject: Re: system7 Date: 01 Apr 1997 00:33:58 -0800 Syatem 7? Isn't it a Macintosh system? -bug ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Chen Subject: Re: Live Satans For Sale Date: 01 Apr 1997 00:41:03 -0800 Yes! I am very interested! Please gimme your address. Thanx. -bug >At 12:15 PM 3/27/1997 EST, you wrote: >>SATAN LIVE singles set discs 1,2 & 3 >>NEW still in wrapper together - $30 + shipping $5, prepaid (for cushy >>pading, post, ect.) >>All interested E-mail me privately. >> >>.../////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\.............___ >>.////-----S--u--s--p--i--r--E-----\\\\......._...............`.......__ >>///////////////////////|||||\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\............__.....-- >...________. >>-------suspire@juno.com-------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Kasaj Subject: Re: photek Date: 01 Apr 1997 10:43:26 +0200 (MET DST) > >> >year in the US, and the new single gets released this week. (I know > >everybody now... > >ni-ten-ishi-ryu >(two swords technique) I've only seen one sword in the video...? -- Daniel Kasaj - leqash@fly.cc.fer.hr URL: http://fly.cc.fer.hr/~leqash Home : Borovje 8, Zagreb, CROATIA phone - (01) 6131-435 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shaun Rader Subject: RE: PENPAL GREETINGS Date: 01 Apr 1997 00:48:39 -0800 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC3E36.7F665420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think you scared everyone off with your message subject! I wonder if anyone read it... Shaun . . . . . . . . . . . . . -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 9:05 AM Sorry about the subject, just wanted to see if anyone took that guy's advice and erased this without reading it. Anyways, I just wanted to tell you that I really enjoy this newsgroup. I only just subscribed a short while ago--usually I hate these things because my mailbox always gets filled to the brim with spam. 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Date: 01 Apr 1997 10:03:34 GMT You wrote: >What's "d'n'b" mean, i've heard it referred to a couple times.. >supposedly a music type.. d'n'b means drum'n'bass - a form of electronic music born and brought up in London in the late 1980s - basically it's breakbeats with basslines. take it easy =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: StarPango Subject: Re: Orbital website Date: 01 Apr 1997 07:57:28 -0500 >Groovy... When will you have the mp3 clips up? >What machine are you using? I'm looking for a good mp3 encoder for >Macintosh.. i'm looking for a good MP3 player for Mac also. Tried Audioactive but kept crashing due to the fact that my system version is too new for the program. Testing System 7.5.5 right now.....it works pretty well.....no probs with Netscape either :) StarPango .....IRC at US.UNDERNET.ORG, channel: #orbital, logged on as StarPango .....Alphanumeric Pager: 61469000179 website access : http://www.pagenet.com/sendpg.cgi Region (Central): Columbus,Ohio: 6148464515 AlphaPIN: 69000179 .....Numerice Pager: 6145907185 website access:http://www.pagenet.com/sendpg.cgi .....Email Via Pager: 6148464515.69000179@pagenet.net Maximum of 240 Characters! .....Email at galbraith.16@osu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BrAiN Lorraine Subject: dc Date: 01 Apr 1997 08:45:45 -0500 any orbital lovers in the washington dc area? anyhoo... what genre of techno would you classify orbital's IN SIDES as? it's so unique. Most techno you can safely say it sounds similar to another artist, but this is quite different.. sounds almost classical. -the BrAiN- "You only need to close your eyes... and let the music take you away..." -Robert Miles- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chance" Subject: Re: dc Date: 01 Apr 1997 06:43:44 -0800 Hey man I used to live in D.C. actually I grew up there (74-91). Orbital's sound is definitely unique so why would you what to start setting limitations to it by trying to stuff their music into a category? PEACE! Chance ---------- > From: BrAiN Lorraine > To: orbital@mail.xmission.com > Subject: dc > Date: Tuesday, April 01, 1997 5:45 AM > > any orbital lovers in the washington dc area? anyhoo... > > what genre of techno would you classify orbital's IN SIDES as? it's so > unique. Most techno you can safely say it sounds similar to another artist, > but this is quite different.. sounds almost classical. > > > -the BrAiN- > "You only need to close your eyes... and let the music take you away..." > -Robert Miles- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Re: d'n'b? Date: 01 Apr 1997 15:50:07 GMT >I means drum-and-bass. It's a techno genre. Is it bollocks. d'n'b is a genre of it's own. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Re: photek Date: 01 Apr 1997 15:50:21 GMT >ni-ten-ishi-ryu >(two swords technique) seen the vid to this? excellent. I love it where, on the occasional beat you hear swords clashing, and the vid shows close up of the swords clashing at exactly the same time - when I first saw it I had to put teletext on to make sure I wasn't imagining the swords clashing noise! what label is it on in the UK? =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Re: LYRICS TO THE BOX : MOVEMENT FOUR Date: 01 Apr 1997 15:50:17 GMT >> "...we want the finest wines known to humanity!" ...and we want it here, and we want it now. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gregory Drew Subject: Tranquilizer Date: 01 Apr 1997 10:59:32 -0500 I am just listening to Tranquilizer from the Times Fly EP included in In Sides and I noticed a little blip at 1:17 into the song. Is this a techno equipment error that some of you may be familiar with or what? A misplayed sample? It just sounds weird. curiously yours, greg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gregory Drew Subject: New In Sides Date: 01 Apr 1997 11:14:05 -0500 I forgot to mention to all you big time collectors out there, but there might be a version of the new In Sides double release without the Halcyon (Live) track. Someone who works for their distributor here in Canada got her hands on it before it was released and when I asked her if Halcyon was on it she got all pissed because it wasn't. Also, the live Satan version on this release - which single is it from? 1 or 2? thanks, greg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Re: dc Date: 01 Apr 1997 19:17:42 GMT >what genre of techno would you classify orbital's IN SIDES as? it's so ALL Orbital and similar acts are what I call "intelligent techno" I don't like it when people call Orbital "techno" coz to me, techno is the stuff played by DJs like Mark EG or 3DOM...CJ Bolland is also a good example of a techno DJ...though most of his own music is intelligent techno. Make sense? well it does to me. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shaun Rader Subject: RE: New In Sides & Halcyon (Live) Date: 01 Apr 1997 10:28:46 -0800 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC3E87.81BBB200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I forgot to mention to all you big time collectors out there, but >there might be a version of the new In Sides double release without the >Halcyon (Live) track. Someone who works for their distributor here in Maybe the Canadian pressing is different? I plan on buying the new In Sides and I would be really mad if Halcyon (live) wasn't on there... I sure hope this is a mistake! Does anyone have this bonus track yet? Does it have BOTH of the song samples intact (Belinda/Jon)? Thanks. 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sux... i can see how most techno bands wanna play in clubs and such, but that's kinda' annoying to us minors who are so in love with the music, but deprived of the joy of hearing it live. ehh well i guess good things come to those who wait eh'? -the BrAiN- "You only need to close your eyes... and let the music take you away..." -Robert Miles http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Sands/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BrAiN Lorraine Subject: RE: New In Sides & Halcyon (Live) Date: 01 Apr 1997 14:42:30 -0500 (EST) whoa i'm watching a video on M2 by orbital right now called THE SAINT, they say it's on the IN SIDES cd... i dont remember this song on my cd... however parts of it sounds kinda familiar.. hmm "You only need to close your eyes... and let the music take you away..." -Robert Miles http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Sands/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chris lietz Subject: Re: dc Date: 01 Apr 1997 14:00:33 -0600 ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk wrote: > > >what genre of techno would you classify orbital's IN SIDES as? it's so > > ALL Orbital and similar acts are what I call "intelligent techno" i agree with you, but this could be dangerous territory. they havent figured out what "intelligent techno" is on the idm list for 4 years and thats what its supposed to be about. i implore anyone who is thinking about questioning the merits of intelligent music etc., and starting a huge and unanswerable thread, please consult the hyperreal site where the idm (intelligent dance music) site is stored. cl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "damien a. haussling" Subject: Cibo Matto Date: 01 Apr 1997 15:37:57 -0500 Went to see Cibo Matto at 930 club in DC last Saturday, they were rreally fun!. You guys might have seen their vid on "AMP" or "120 Minutes" awhile ago, called "Sugar Water". Orb's playing 930 in April or May... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Heroux" Subject: Re: dc Date: 01 Apr 1997 13:08:43 -0800 > does anyone know if orbital has plans to tour anytime soon in the u.s.? They will be doing the Organic festival this summer.. Im not too sure of the dates, but you could check out http://www.addictedtonoise.com/ and http://imusic.com/newsagent Looks like Prodigy (maybe), Chemical Brothers, Orb, and Orbital will be headlining.. Should be an AWESOME show. I doubt they're going to be doing much, as they are supposedly in the studio working on the precursor to InSides. Im making sure I get some tickets! --mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Gundlach Subject: Re: orblivion Date: 01 Apr 1997 01:08:35 -0800 Joona P”yh”nen wrote: > > I just wanted to hear is Orblivion more ambient > (like Orbvs Terrarvm) or is it dancy (UFORB)? Having not been really experienced with Orb (i hate living in the states), I'd probably say it's more like UFOrb, with a lttle bit of drum'n'bass thrown in. I hadn't heard any songs from it when I bought it a couple of days ago, but I was impressed. SALT and Toxygene are the bast songs off of this album. I guess buy it if you are and Orb fan. The Other Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mercury95@aol.com Subject: Re: New In Sides & Halcyon (Live) Date: 01 Apr 1997 16:26:47 -0500 (EST) > > I forgot to mention to all you big time collectors out there, but > >there might be a version of the new In Sides double release without the > >Halcyon (Live) track. Someone who works for their distributor here in > > Maybe the Canadian pressing is different? I plan on buying the new > In Sides and I would be really mad if Halcyon (live) wasn't on there... > I sure hope this is a mistake! > > Does anyone have this bonus track yet? Does it have BOTH of the > song samples intact (Belinda/Jon)? Thanks. Yep, I have it. Just like the first In Sides CD,(at least in the US) but the second CD in it has Satan, Satan live, The Saint, The Sinner, and Halcyon live. The CD has a big blue sticker on the packaging, covering the entire front panel, which mentions The Saint as being from The Saint, the movie.........hope this is of some assistance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron S. Gregory" Subject: Re: photek Date: 01 Apr 1997 16:42:50 -0500 ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk wrote: > > >ni-ten-ishi-ryu > >(two swords technique) > > what label is it on in the UK? virgin/SCIENCE (cat #2 of 3) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Chen Subject: silicon valley Date: 01 Apr 1997 15:43:36 -0800 hey...any orbital lovers in the silicon valley area? please let me know. it would be nice to have friends with the same intrests in this nerdy place...8) b. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anthony Agee" Subject: Re: dc Date: 01 Apr 1997 18:05:26 -0600 > They will be doing the Organic festival this summer.. Im not too sure of > the dates, but you could check out http://www.addictedtonoise.com/ and > http://imusic.com/newsagent > > Looks like Prodigy (maybe), Chemical Brothers, Orb, and Orbital will be > headlining.. Should be an AWESOME show. > > I doubt they're going to be doing much, as they are supposedly in the > studio working on the precursor to InSides. I have to wonder, though.....the article sounds less than sure if anybody is going to be playing. I'd say it's a good bet that Chemical Bros and Orb will be playing...as well as Prodigy since none of the bands are big enough here to draw much of a crowd alone. But I doubt Orbital will play......they have no new material besides The Saint.....and that's not exactly a crowd pleaser. I wish they had an EP up their sleeves.... Orbital are pretty prolific, I'm not knocking them. Just that a tour at this point is questionable..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Zahir" Subject: Re: Cibo Matto Date: 01 Apr 1997 22:25:04 -0500 best cibo matto song: 'Know your Chicken" " u got to know your chicken..." hehehe earthling ( SAD.... i know ....) ---------- > From: damien a. haussling > To: orbital@mail.xmission.com > Subject: Cibo Matto > Date: Tuesday, April 01, 1997 3:37 PM > > Went to see Cibo Matto at 930 club in DC last Saturday, they were > rreally fun!. You guys might have seen their vid on "AMP" or > "120 Minutes" awhile ago, called "Sugar Water". > > Orb's playing 930 in April or May... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Politimy Nicolaou Subject: Re: dc Date: 01 Apr 1997 20:16:10 -0800 > I have to wonder, though.....the article sounds less than sure if anybody > is going to be playing. I'd say it's a good bet that Chemical Bros and Orb > will be playing...as well as Prodigy since none of the bands are big enough > here to draw much of a crowd alone. But I doubt Orbital will > play......they have no new material besides The Saint.....and that's not > exactly a crowd pleaser. I wish they had an EP up their sleeves.... > > Orbital are pretty prolific, I'm not knocking them. Just that a tour at > this point is questionable..... Whoa Anthony... What makes you think that Orbital tours only on "new" material? Orbital has an unconventional following, and I have seen them in concert 3 times when they had no "new" material. Now, whether they will come to DC, I can't say, but they'll come, trust me...at least to LA/SF. In fact, they have already come to LA in the last 6 mo's and were here last Spring/early Summer. :), Timmy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: dc Date: 01 Apr 1997 23:34:28 -0500 (EST) In a message dated 97-04-01 20:22:30 EST, you write: << ALL Orbital and similar acts are what I call "intelligent techno" I don't like it when people call Orbital "techno" coz to me, techno is the stuff played by DJs like Mark EG or 3DOM...CJ Bolland is also a good example of a techno DJ...though most of his own music is intelligent techno. Make sense? well it does to me. ======== ======= ====== ====== === === ========= ========= ==== >> No...it really does not. Techno is techno is techno. It is all techno. We can pigeon-hole these groups to death, but the bottom line is is that it is all techno. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Re: dc Date: 02 Apr 1997 14:45:09 GMT >i agree with you, but this could be dangerous territory. they havent >figured out what "intelligent techno" is on the idm list for 4 years and >thats what its supposed to be about. i implore anyone who is thinking >about questioning the merits of intelligent music etc., and starting a >huge and unanswerable thread, please consult the hyperreal site where >the idm (intelligent dance music) site is stored. been there, done that :) I've been on the IDM list, I started a hoooj blazing row by saying that techno (the stuff I listen to, pounding grinding repetitive stuff rather than bleepy minimalistic detroit crap) didn't come from Detroit. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joona =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=94yh=94nen?= Subject: Re: Vs: orblivion Date: 02 Apr 1997 15:48:28 At 12.50 2.4.1996 +0300, you wrote: >Hey joona. R u finnish? Yes I am.... joona p=F6yh=F6nen Orbital feloc Future Sound Of London jp@clinet.fi Autechre Aphex Twin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Optik" Subject: EMPIRION Date: 02 Apr 1997 16:06:46 +0100 SORRY THIS IS NOT ORBITAL RELATED BUT: Has anyone got the new album by Empirion?. Is it any good, worth a purchase or not. Any help would be appreciated before I fork out £15.99 for it!!!!! CHEERS ----------- OPTIK --------------- Not long until the official release of THE SAINT. ONLY 5 DAYS TO GO HUUURRRRAHHHHH!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: strout@roch803.mc.xerox.com (Sean Strout) Subject: are we here Date: 02 Apr 1997 07:17:59 PST re-posted from orb/ambient newsgroup... >From Marcos A Maiken >Newsgroups: alt.music.orb,rec.music.ambient >Subject: Re: Orblivion: 72 >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:49:50 -0500 >... >listen to orbital's..."Are we Here?" track 5...it's 6 minutes of silence >almost...or is it?...we had some lab techs take a look and they said there >is something in there, but they couldn't figure out how it was >encoded...encryption)..but who knows... >... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: *thee dark star thief Subject: Re: Organic Date: 02 Apr 1997 10:32:10 -0500 (EST) i had heard meat beat kicked around for joining on this festival... it seems logical as jack has already recorded the new album - he did it in december - and i guess they're doing the mix now... would be cool if they do - how about this for a nice dream lineup, eh? MBM Photek Orbital The Orb FSOL DJ Spooky Banco de Gaia probably would remain a dream but it's a nice thought... by the way anyone here really into some of the planet dog groups like Banco de Gaia, Timeshard, Future Loop Foundation, eat Static? sorry to waste everyone's time with mostly non-orbital dreaming but oh well... *jim ***************"MTV makes me want to smoke crack" - Beck**************** * * * "every man and woman is a star tonight" - m.b.m. * * * * "i'll be the sky above the ganges/i'll be the vast and stormy sea" * * -REM "be mine" * * * ****-the rainbow mindbath:http://www.netsync.net/users/jbriggs/jim3/**** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben_Camp@friendsbalt.org (Ben Camp) Subject: Re(2): New In Sides & Halcyon (Live) Date: 02 Apr 1997 11:05:17 -0700 Mercury95@aol.com,Internet writes: Yep, I have it. Just like the first In Sides CD,(at least in the US) but the second CD in it has Satan, Satan live, The Saint, The Sinner, and Halcyon live. The CD has a big blue sticker on the packaging, covering the entire front panel, which mentions The Saint as being from The Saint, the movie.........hope this is of some assistance I bought the In Sides CD a while ago, with the Times Fly EP as the bonus CD.. and not the Satan and satan live stuff.. is there a way to get the bonus CD (maybe it was printed as a Satan Maxi single a while back, or as an import possibly) without buying another copy of In Sides? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aaron Murray Subject: RE: dc Date: 02 Apr 1997 10:34:16 -0600 The premise is the same.. whether you call it techno or electronica.. whether the word you use is from a few years ago, or it's the "newest thing", you are still talking about the same thing.. i think people spend too much time trying to figure out what to call the music they listen to, and too little time actually listening to it.. Aaron > Hey, > > That's shit. Techno is an old name for underground dance music which > has expanded hugely in the last decade. Techno is an uneducated term > for it(don't mean to put you down). The current and most reasonable > term for it is elctronic music or electronica. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "damien a. haussling" Subject: Favorite Orbital trax Date: 02 Apr 1997 11:33:40 -0500 With the classes I'm teaching and some research that I am involved with, I am behind on doing the list. I had said that I would accept lists until April 1, but I'll take 'em until 4/5 and I should have the list together by 4/7 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rich" Subject: New Orbital Album??? Date: 02 Apr 1997 17:45:43 +0100 I have just been into my local Virgin Records Store In Nottingham. They have a sort of notice board on the wall to announce any forthcoming albums from bands and it said that Orbital have an album out on 21st April? I am confused about this - can anyone shed any light as to what this mystery 'album' is ???!?!?! or have Virgin got it wrong?!?! Confusathon + on + on Richard ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@capgemini.co.uk Subject: re:Orbital tour the states ? Date: 02 Apr 1997 19:09:34 BST Ill get this confirmed at the end of the week but i wouldnt buy them tickets if u wish to see Orbital. They are wayyyyyy too busy to do Organic. I should have the edited interview that myself but mainly EA (Mick George) did last month - on the Loopz site soon. Ive had to put a hold on it as the NME will print summit next week which they think they got as an exclusive - OOPS! :) Steve LOOPZ Price. LOOPZ - http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sean Subject: Re: LYRICS TO THE BOX : MOVEMENT FOUR Date: 02 Apr 1997 13:37:49 -0500 (EST) great...... accept less expect more s......e......a......n On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Bruce Chen wrote: > hi guys, > > i am new on this mailing list. i think orbital rox!!!....:-) > > cya > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sean Subject: Re: Live Satans For Sale Date: 02 Apr 1997 13:42:11 -0500 (EST) private e mail DOES NOT mean to the list, it means to the sender ofthe post. i could care less if you want to spend thirty five usdollars on those cds and frankly none of mine or anyone elses business. read the list for a time to learn the standards. maybe you should read a list that has better standards, it's all pretty low here, but it is understood that you are new. cheers sean accept less expect more s......e......a......n On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Bruce Chen wrote: > Yes! I am very interested! Please gimme your address. Thanx. > > > -bug > > > >At 12:15 PM 3/27/1997 EST, you wrote: > >>SATAN LIVE singles set discs 1,2 & 3 > >>NEW still in wrapper together - $30 + shipping $5, prepaid (for cushy > >>pading, post, ect.) > >>All interested E-mail me privately. > >> > >>.../////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\.............___ > >>.////-----S--u--s--p--i--r--E-----\\\\......._...............`.......__ > >>///////////////////////|||||\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\............__.....-- > >...________. > >>-------suspire@juno.com-------- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sean Subject: Re: Liquid Adrenaline Date: 02 Apr 1997 13:46:36 -0500 (EST) josh wink is trash :( accept less expect more s......e......a......n On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Zahir wrote: > OK so how many people from Toronto going to LIQUID ADRENALINE on April > 12th. Josh Winx is gonna be there :) > > earthling > > ( ever scream so loud that the world never heard you? ) > > > > > ((( zahir--> zahir@globalserve.net ))) > (( ... in our sight, Miss Moneypenny...)) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sean Subject: Re: Liquid Adrenaline Date: 02 Apr 1997 13:46:36 -0500 (EST) josh wink is trash :( accept less expect more s......e......a......n On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Zahir wrote: > OK so how many people from Toronto going to LIQUID ADRENALINE on April > 12th. Josh Winx is gonna be there :) > > earthling > > ( ever scream so loud that the world never heard you? ) > > > > > ((( zahir--> zahir@globalserve.net ))) > (( ... in our sight, Miss Moneypenny...)) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BrAiN Lorraine Subject: RE: dc Date: 02 Apr 1997 14:09:09 -0500 At 10:34 AM 4/2/97 -0600, you wrote: >i think people >spend too much time trying to figure out what to call the music they >listen to, and too little time actually listening to it.. damn that's a good point... "You only need to close your eyes... and let the music take you away..." -Robert Miles http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Sands/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reality Subject: Re: Re(2): New In Sides & Halcyon (Live) Date: 02 Apr 1997 13:50:47 -0600 (CST) Does the new In Sides Bonus CD have the Halcyon Live WITH the Bon Jovi and Belinda Carlyle samples in it? On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Ben Camp wrote: ["]Mercury95@aol.com,Internet writes: ["] ["] ["] ["]Yep, I have it. Just like the first In Sides CD,(at least in the US) but the ["]second CD in it has Satan, Satan live, The Saint, The Sinner, and Halcyon ["]live. The CD has a big blue sticker on the packaging, covering the entire ["]front panel, which mentions The Saint as being from The Saint, the ["]movie.........hope this is of some assistance ["] ["] ["]I bought the In Sides CD a while ago, with the Times Fly EP as the bonus CD.. ["]and not the Satan and satan live stuff.. is there a way to get the bonus CD ["](maybe it was printed as a Satan Maxi single a while back, or as an import ["]possibly) without buying another copy of In Sides? ["] Reality "...And you know they'll never find us, and they'll leave us alone, and if we just keep on talking then we'll still make it home." - Orbital, "The Box" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reality Subject: Re: Re(2): New In Sides & Halcyon (Live) Date: 02 Apr 1997 13:50:47 -0600 (CST) Does the new In Sides Bonus CD have the Halcyon Live WITH the Bon Jovi and Belinda Carlyle samples in it? On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Ben Camp wrote: ["]Mercury95@aol.com,Internet writes: ["] ["] ["] ["]Yep, I have it. Just like the first In Sides CD,(at least in the US) but the ["]second CD in it has Satan, Satan live, The Saint, The Sinner, and Halcyon ["]live. The CD has a big blue sticker on the packaging, covering the entire ["]front panel, which mentions The Saint as being from The Saint, the ["]movie.........hope this is of some assistance ["] ["] ["]I bought the In Sides CD a while ago, with the Times Fly EP as the bonus CD.. ["]and not the Satan and satan live stuff.. is there a way to get the bonus CD ["](maybe it was printed as a Satan Maxi single a while back, or as an import ["]possibly) without buying another copy of In Sides? ["] Reality "...And you know they'll never find us, and they'll leave us alone, and if we just keep on talking then we'll still make it home." - Orbital, "The Box" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Subject: Re: are we here Date: 02 Apr 1997 18:36:40 +0100 " Sean Strout " writes >re-posted from orb/ambient newsgroup... > >>From Marcos A Maiken >>Newsgroups: alt.music.orb,rec.music.ambient >>Subject: Re: Orblivion: 72 >>Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:49:50 -0500 >>... >>listen to orbital's..."Are we Here?" track 5...it's 6 minutes of silence >>almost...or is it?...we had some lab techs take a look and they said there >>is something in there, but they couldn't figure out how it was >>encoded...>encryption)..but who knows... >>... mmmm. April Fools? -- Tim "Why not?...Yeah..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chris lietz Subject: Re: dc Date: 02 Apr 1997 14:19:38 -0600 BrAiN Lorraine wrote: > > At 10:34 AM 4/2/97 -0600, you wrote: > >i think people > >spend too much time trying to figure out what to call the music they > >listen to, and too little time actually listening to it.. > > damn that's a good point... it is a good point, however... when buying cds or records and you havent actually heard them or have no way of hearing them, all the information you can get is helpful. soemtimes this comes in the form of putting music into genres. i dont do this for a pastime, nor do i agree with many of them. (i wouldnt be able to describe orbital, autechre, etc. to people unless they have had some exposure to the music) when i order music from 4th world they do write up short descriptions that are extremely helpful, especially if it is by an artist that you do not own any titles from. it would be nice to say that all we listen to is electronica, but it isnt that simple. i recently bought alec empire-the destroyer and jimi tenor-intervisions. i dont know if these could be much more different, yet they both uses machines, etc. luckily i had read reviews of both before purchasing, which included the general styles of both (digital hardcore, and loungey/jazzy/techno, not my words, but accurate enough) genres are a necessary evil that can be useful guides and economic saviors for those of us who want to be somewhat sure of buying a decent release. cl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HA360410@ntu.ac.uk (Spud Wizard strikes back) Subject: Re: Aphex Twin video and Jarvis Cocker Date: 02 Apr 1997 16:15:50 +0100 Yeah, it is the Jarvis. He has directed several of the Pulp videos also. On the radio the other day he said that he doesn't want Pulp to carry on as sad old men like the rolling stones and the film directing would be his chosen alternative career. Sol. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KRYPTON Subject: Re: dc Date: 03 Apr 1997 00:46:17 +-400 >what genre of techno would you classify orbital's IN SIDES as? I classify it as "Spacey sinth techno" The term "intelligent techno" is much much broader \\\\\|||||||////// <...><...> _________KrYpToN_____________ \ L / >>>krypton@dol.ru<<< \ == / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KRYPTON Subject: Fans of Orbital in Moskow (Russia) Date: 03 Apr 1997 00:56:38 +-400 Hey, ...any Orbital/The Orb/FSOL lovers in Moskow ? Please let me know. It would be nice to have friends with the same intrests \\\\\|||||||////// <...><...> _________KrYpToN_____________ \ L / >>>krypton@dol.ru<<< \ == / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Gundlach Subject: Organic dates? Date: 01 Apr 1997 21:14:23 -0800 Does anybody have any dates for this years Organic festival? thanx.. . The Other Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aaron Murray Subject: RE: Liquid Adrenaline Date: 02 Apr 1997 15:52:40 -0600 negative people should be shot.. :) Aaron > josh wink is trash :( > > > accept less expect more > s......e......a......n > > > On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Zahir wrote: > > > OK so how many people from Toronto going to LIQUID ADRENALINE on > April > > 12th. Josh Winx is gonna be there :) > > > > earthling > > > > ( ever scream so loud that the world never heard you? ) > > > > > > > > > > ((( zahir--> zahir@globalserve.net ))) > > (( ... in our sight, Miss Moneypenny...)) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reality Subject: Intelligent Techno Date: 02 Apr 1997 16:08:50 -0600 (CST) What are some bands that could be classified as IDM? Reality "...And you know they'll never find us, and they'll leave us alone, and if we just keep on talking then we'll still make it home." - Orbital, "The Box" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: Re: dc -Reply Date: 02 Apr 1997 17:16:49 -0600 right on. I agree that you shouldn't try to categorize music. the important thing is that you like what you listen to. who cares if it's jungle, drum and bass(whatever that is) dance or whatever. I will however go so far as to say that I think orbital is the best electronic act out there. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Fanno Subject: RE: Liquid Adrenaline Date: 02 Apr 1997 15:21:08 -0800 (PST) I totally agree, MEAN PEOPLE SUCK! There is no good that comes out of shooting down what others enjoy. I've seen a fair number of negative coments from s.........e.......a......n - so stop it! Return-Path: owner-orbital@xmission.com >From: Aaron Murray >To: "'orbital@mail.xmission.com'" >Subject: RE: Liquid Adrenaline >Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:52:40 -0600 >Sender: owner-orbital@xmission.com >Reply-To: orbital@mail.xmission.com > >negative people should be shot.. :) > > Aaron > >> josh wink is trash :( >> >> >> accept less expect more >> s......e......a......n >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Zahir wrote: >> >> > OK so how many people from Toronto going to LIQUID ADRENALINE on >> April >> > 12th. Josh Winx is gonna be there :) >> > >> > earthling >> > >> > ( ever scream so loud that the world never heard you? ) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ((( zahir--> zahir@globalserve.net ))) >> > (( ... in our sight, Miss Moneypenny...)) >> > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: Re: dc -Reply Date: 02 Apr 1997 17:32:46 -0600 It's just plain good music, dammit! What the hell is "spacy synth music"? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anthony Agee" Subject: Orbitaless Organic Date: 02 Apr 1997 18:39:10 -0600 > Ill get this confirmed at the end of the week but i wouldnt buy them > tickets if u wish to see Orbital. They are wayyyyyy too busy to do > Organic. See, I told you guys so! : P Somebody should get FSOL to tour the U.S. (have they ever?). They are very dynamic...would be great to see live (then again, who would I NOT like to see live?) My dream lineup: (exluding Orbital since they aren't ready) Aphex Twin Autechre FSOL Chemical Bros Orb DJ Shadow ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Tolley Subject: Re: dc -Reply Date: 02 Apr 1997 19:35:38 -0500 (EST) Spacy what????? On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Mike Ash wrote: > It's just plain good music, dammit! What the hell is "spacy synth music"? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anthony Agee" Subject: Moonshine tour Date: 02 Apr 1997 18:40:02 -0600 This summer, Moonshine records are putting together an electronica tour featuring some of their artists, including Electric Skychurch. Just thought you guys might care. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Tolley Subject: RE: Liquid Adrenaline--TU!! Date: 02 Apr 1997 19:40:25 -0500 (EST) Ladies and gents---I am new on this mailing list and a bit old school with regard to the whole technological music genre, but I do belive the old sentiment was that TECHNO UNITES!!! Breaks down barriers--forms a tribe of the whole world or something to that effect. This is not a flaky sentiment either--it is what the music does to you. Does this sentiment ring a bell with anyone?? Write if it does. --Iskandar On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Jeff Fanno wrote: > I totally agree, MEAN PEOPLE SUCK! There is no good that comes out of > shooting down what others enjoy. I've seen a fair number of negative > coments from > s.........e.......a......n - so stop it! > Return-Path: owner-orbital@xmission.com > >From: Aaron Murray > >To: "'orbital@mail.xmission.com'" > >Subject: RE: Liquid Adrenaline > >Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:52:40 -0600 > >Sender: owner-orbital@xmission.com > >Reply-To: orbital@mail.xmission.com > > > >negative people should be shot.. :) > > > > Aaron > > > >> josh wink is trash :( > >> > >> > >> accept less expect more > >> s......e......a......n > >> > >> > >> On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Zahir wrote: > >> > >> > OK so how many people from Toronto going to LIQUID ADRENALINE on > >> April > >> > 12th. Josh Winx is gonna be there :) > >> > > >> > earthling > >> > > >> > ( ever scream so loud that the world never heard you? ) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ((( zahir--> zahir@globalserve.net ))) > >> > (( ... in our sight, Miss Moneypenny...)) > >> > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Tolley Subject: RE: Liquid Adrenaline--TU!! Date: 02 Apr 1997 19:40:25 -0500 (EST) Ladies and gents---I am new on this mailing list and a bit old school with regard to the whole technological music genre, but I do belive the old sentiment was that TECHNO UNITES!!! Breaks down barriers--forms a tribe of the whole world or something to that effect. This is not a flaky sentiment either--it is what the music does to you. Does this sentiment ring a bell with anyone?? Write if it does. --Iskandar On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Jeff Fanno wrote: > I totally agree, MEAN PEOPLE SUCK! There is no good that comes out of > shooting down what others enjoy. I've seen a fair number of negative > coments from > s.........e.......a......n - so stop it! > Return-Path: owner-orbital@xmission.com > >From: Aaron Murray > >To: "'orbital@mail.xmission.com'" > >Subject: RE: Liquid Adrenaline > >Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:52:40 -0600 > >Sender: owner-orbital@xmission.com > >Reply-To: orbital@mail.xmission.com > > > >negative people should be shot.. :) > > > > Aaron > > > >> josh wink is trash :( > >> > >> > >> accept less expect more > >> s......e......a......n > >> > >> > >> On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Zahir wrote: > >> > >> > OK so how many people from Toronto going to LIQUID ADRENALINE on > >> April > >> > 12th. Josh Winx is gonna be there :) > >> > > >> > earthling > >> > > >> > ( ever scream so loud that the world never heard you? ) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ((( zahir--> zahir@globalserve.net ))) > >> > (( ... in our sight, Miss Moneypenny...)) > >> > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anthony Agee" Subject: off topic- re: Plastikman Date: 02 Apr 1997 18:40:59 -0600 Whatever happened to Plastikman aka Richie Hawtins? Has he done anything since Musik? That guy DOES know his way around a drum machine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. TAYLOR" Subject: Re: Coolest Tracks Date: 02 Apr 1997 18:00:57 -0700 (MST) On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, 100% Cotton wrote: > > > > Don=B4t you guys like Are We Here? > > > > My top-5 would be like: > > > -Hate to go on here, but I must say Are We Here to me is one of the most comforting tracks ever written. By anyone. I love to place=20 it on when my faith in the big picture is shaken, particularlly late at night. Must give credit to this incredible song. It contains some of the best work in vocal sampling on the commercial market today, I would say hands down.If anyone knows a song that has better use of the voice as a keyboard instrament please e-mail me and let me know - Randarian. > > I fucking LOVE Are We Here? Track 4 on the single (I think it's > called What Was That?) is a fantastic remix! >=20 > s >=20 >=20 >=20 > I'd Rather Have A Full Bottle In Front Of Me > Than A Full Frontal Lobotomy >=20 >=20 >=20 > I'd Rather Have A Bottle In Front Of Me > Than A Frontal Lobotomy >=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Gomes Subject: Re: dc Date: 01 Apr 1997 18:31:42 -0800 ok, but while listening to it you need something to ponder, and besides it pisses me off when people classify music wrong. I guess it's just a pet peeve of mine. > > >i think people > >spend too much time trying to figure out what to call the music they > >listen to, and too little time actually listening to it.. > > -- Cya Morpheus Morpheus Productions: http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus Morpheus@xl.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. TAYLOR" Subject: Re: reply from a stunted bloody 4-year old Date: 02 Apr 1997 18:28:49 -0700 (MST) On Thu, 20 Mar 1997, Spud Wizard strikes back wrote: > The american reference wasn't supposed to imply anything wrong with > americans! (before I get called up on that one). Just that they are less > likely to know what Tribal Gathering, and the British Dance scene is about. > Sol.---- > Not to flame you Sol, but I feel a reminscence of the punk rock ideology of yesteryear, when Rotten, Exploited, etc. didn't understand that the punks in Amer.'s situation was just as desperate and their scene was very similar and built on the same musical & ideological principals. We have had several Gathering's here (LX- S.F.Dec.) , and have many Tribal Gatherings of other sorts as well. Neo-Tribalism . Is very in vogue in all the Western World in general. Yes the Jungle scene is stronger here in LA and NY but the ambient scene is perhaps as large as Britain , it's just we're all so spread out in the states no one knows what everyone else is acheiving. Perhaps it's even stronger here because it's so individual and personalized due to the amount of spread-outness and personnal dedication of it's followers. We are creating raves in our own communities to create our own interpretations of what ambient means. Similar to Floyd in the 60's it's exciting. - Respond to me privately unless brillant. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: brian.schutz@bbs.hal-pc.org Subject: RE: DC Date: 02 Apr 1997 19:55:48 That's shit. Techno is an old name for underground dance music which has expanded hugely in the last decade. Techno is an uneducated term for it(don't mean to put you down). The current and most reasonable term for it is elctronic music or electronica. This reminds me of my school. Only a small amount of people know what techno really is. Most of them call shit like 2 unlimited and BKS techno. This is obviously dance and not anything close to Orbital or any "techno" groups. All I'm saying is don't fall into the ignorant category (again, don't mean to offend). > No...it really does not. Techno is techno is techno. It is all techno. We can > pigeon-hole these groups to death, but the bottom line is is that it is all > techno. -- Actually most people I know that listen to Techno music hate the new terms that empty-v has coined for it. I sure as hell never have used electronica in a sentance. But that's just me I suppose -Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Gomes Subject: Re: Liquid Adrenaline Date: 01 Apr 1997 19:09:55 -0800 hey, you seem to be mailing everything twice. Stop it now. you were complaining about someone elses mailing, (i'm in full agreement with you though) so take care of your own. sean wrote: > > josh wink is trash :( > > > -- Cya Morpheus Morpheus Productions: http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus Morpheus@xl.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: off topic- re: Plastikman -Reply Date: 02 Apr 1997 21:45:06 -0600 HE DID A REMIX OF dEPECHE MODE ON THEIR BARREL OF GUN SINGLE ITS VERY COOL, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY OF HIS OTHER STUFF ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian A. Crawford" Subject: Re: Coolest Tracks Date: 02 Apr 1997 22:46:24 -0500 (EST) On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, R. TAYLOR wrote: > If anyone knows a song that has > better use of the voice as a keyboard instrament please e-mail me and let > me know - Randarian. > > I fucking LOVE Are We Here? Track 4 on the > single (I think it's > called What Was That?) is a fantastic remix! I think that one of the greatest bands to use vocal samples as an instrument would have to be one of my favorite groups, Drum Club. My personal favorite is the quote: 'Even though we're travelling at 23 thousand miles per hour, I feel like we're floating' on the track 'Spaced Out, Locked In'. I think the sample originated from a 2 Little Boys techno song. Anyways, the track invokes a very powerful mood, especially at high volumes. Drum Club also does some fantastic stuff on their 'Live in Iceland' CD, my favorite track is track 3. Also, of course, Orb and FSOL are the kings of funky samples. I really wonder where they get some of that stuff from (for example, Slug Dub). Bri P.S. Track 3 is 'What Was That?' and track 4 is 'Lunasol Wet Mix' on the Are We Here? single... which one do you mean? Just curious, as soon as I read this post I popped it in :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: Live Satans For Sale Date: 02 Apr 1997 23:05:55 -0500 (EST) In a message dated 97-04-02 21:12:06 EST, you write: << private e mail DOES NOT mean to the list, it means to the sender ofthe post. i could care less if you want to spend thirty five usdollars on those cds and frankly none of mine or anyone elses business. read the list for a time to learn the standards. maybe you should read a list that has better standards, it's all pretty low here, but it is understood that you are new. cheers sean >> LIGHTEN UP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FishyT99@aol.com Subject: Re: New In Sides & Halcyon (Live) Date: 02 Apr 1997 23:34:10 -0500 (EST) In a message dated 97-04-01 20:24:27 EST, you write: << Does anyone have this bonus track yet? Does it have BOTH of the > song samples intact (Belinda/Jon)? Thanks. >> Yes, it has both samples intact...also, Satan Live (on the bonus disc) is taken from Satan Live #1. To top things off, I even found someone to sell my extra copy of Insides to =) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Plump Subject: Re: Orbitaless Organic Date: 02 Apr 1997 20:45:42 -0800 (PST) On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Anthony Agee wrote: > Somebody should get FSOL to tour the U.S. (have they ever?). They are very > dynamic...would be great to see live (then again, who would I NOT like to > see live?) What I understand (and I could be wrong) is that FSOL never plays live. They did the ISDN radio broadcasts instead of going live. In fact they are very mysterious individuals who rarely (if ever?) do interviews. for some reason that was the impression I had gotten... Can someone confirm/deny any/all of this? thanky! Michael Plump ++ plumpy@orbital.hurrah.com ++ plumpy@magic.hurrah.com "We are dancing right now, so not very much is being served at the moment." --orbital.hurrah.com webpage ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wunderkint@aol.com Subject: Re: off topic- re: Plastikman Date: 03 Apr 1997 02:03:58 -0500 (EST) In a message dated 97-04-02 23:43:19 EST, you write: << Whatever happened to Plastikman aka Richie Hawtins? Has he done anything since Musik? That guy DOES know his way around a drum machine. >> Richie has been pushing his label Plus8 alot lately. He has done a few smaller venues lately around here (Detroit). If your'e looking for newer 'Plastikman-esque' check out the mixmag live series on Moonshine records. Im not sure which version it is, but it has some very good stuff. Look for a Plastikman release by late summer, though. Dr. Vasew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wunderkint@aol.com Subject: Re: Moonshine tour Date: 03 Apr 1997 02:09:48 -0500 (EST) In a message dated 97-04-02 23:40:17 EST, you write: << This summer, Moonshine records are putting together an electronica tour featuring some of their artists, including Electric Skychurch. Just thought you guys might care. >> Really?!? Keoki gonna be there too? I just got into Moonshine last year, and every thing I've purchased so far from that label is exceptional. Do you have tour dates? I would be willing to make a pilgrimage if need be (I live in Detroit). Thanks in advance, Dr. Vasew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dxford@earthlink.net" Subject: Re: Orbitaless Organic Date: 02 Apr 1997 23:35:02 -0800 Michael Plump wrote: > > On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Anthony Agee wrote: > > > Somebody should get FSOL to tour the U.S. (have they ever?). They are very > > dynamic...would be great to see live (then again, who would I NOT like to > > see live?) > > What I understand (and I could be wrong) is that FSOL never plays live. > They did the ISDN radio broadcasts instead of going live. In fact they > are very mysterious individuals who rarely (if ever?) do interviews. > > for some reason that was the impression I had gotten... Can someone > confirm/deny any/all of this? thanky! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael Plump ++ plumpy@orbital.hurrah.com ++ plumpy@magic.hurrah.com > "We are dancing right now, so not very much is being served at the moment." > --orbital.hurrah.com webpage Actually lately FSOL have been doing more and more interviews it seems I actually read an interview with them in an issue of URB a few months ago. I think one of the reasons you hardly hear from them is because the dont want to be "pop stars" so to speak. I still dont see why they wont at least tour a few cities in the US. Now that I think of it I believe they did perform live at last year's Low Res Film Festival when it was in LA. Email me if you need more info on FSOL. BTW go out and buy "Accelerator" by FSOL if you dont already hae it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mercury95@aol.com Subject: Re: Re(2): New In Sides & Halcyon (Live) Date: 03 Apr 1997 03:02:00 -0500 (EST) In a message dated 97-04-02 23:43:29 EST, you write: > Does the new In Sides Bonus CD have the Halcyon Live WITH the Bon Jovi and > Belinda Carlyle samples in it? YES!!! Sorry, I forgot to mention that........ :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Plump Subject: Re: Orbitaless Organic Date: 02 Apr 1997 23:54:55 -0800 (PST) On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, dxford@earthlink.net wrote: > BTW go out and buy "Accelerator" by FSOL if you dont already hae it. oh baby. Don't worry I already have it! As a matter of fact, I was listening to it today for the first time in a few months. I'd forgotten what an awesome CD that is! obOrbital: Michael Plump ++ plumpy@orbital.hurrah.com ++ plumpy@magic.hurrah.com "We are dancing right now, so not very much is being served at the moment." --orbital.hurrah.com webpage ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skachick5@aol.com Subject: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 03 Apr 1997 03:31:00 -0500 (EST) Hi I have subscribed to this list for awhile but this is the first time I'm writing. I love music of all kinds, electronica probably the most. But I am only 16, so my background in techno of all genres is less extensive than I'd like it to be. If anyone can help me expand my knowledge I would really appreciate it. Music is one of the really important things in my life and I'd really like to be as knowledgable as I can. Thanks. Lauren. P.S. If you want to ask about me, talk to Tim aka Mindub808@aol.com (also a poster on this list) - he'll tell you I'm not just a mindless trendy raver, that I do love the music! P.P.S. If you can, please send any replies to Goafairy@aol.com, my new screen name - where I get all my mail except the mailing list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reality Subject: Re: Re(2): New In Sides & Halcyon (Live) Date: 03 Apr 1997 02:57:43 -0600 (CST) Which tracks are on "The Saint" single that are not on the new In Sides bonus cd? On Thu, 3 Apr 1997 Mercury95@aol.com wrote: ["]In a message dated 97-04-02 23:43:29 EST, you write: ["] ["]> Does the new In Sides Bonus CD have the Halcyon Live WITH the Bon Jovi and ["]> Belinda Carlyle samples in it? ["] ["]YES!!! Sorry, I forgot to mention that........ :-) ["] Reality "...And you know they'll never find us, and they'll leave us alone, and if we just keep on talking then we'll still make it home." - Orbital, "The Box" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DR J J JACOBS" Subject: Re: missing 6 mins Date: 03 Apr 1997 10:35:45 +0100 (BST) To Matt and anyone else: The sample on Orblivion (bar-codes etc) is taken from Mike Leigh's film NAKED (1994-5??) and the voice is actor David Thewlis a British actor last seen in the pisspoor remake of THE ISLAND OF DR MOREAU. In Naked he playts a totally fucked-up, and rather nasty, loser and it's a great movie. BTW, Not the first time that a British actor has been sampled for this kind of music: Paul McGann is sampled from the film WITHNAIL AND I (as most Orbital fans will know) saying 'even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day' on the Brown album.... JJJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alexpm@ropnet.ru Subject: Re: reply from a stunted bloody 4-year old Date: 03 Apr 1997 15:38:18 +0400 R. TAYLOR wrote: > ... the Jungle scene is stronger here in LA and NY but the ambient > scene is perhaps as large as Britain , What Jungle scene do you mean? And it is stronger then where? May be then in Russia?...maybe??? Before your statement I thought that LTJ Bykem, Rob Haigh (Playford), PFM, T-Power, Adam F, Photek, Alex Reece, Wax Doctor, DJ Pulse, Doc Scott, DJ Fabio, Rendal, Goldie, DJ Seduction, DJ Rap, Wish Doctor and many, many others live in Britain... May be they all have moved in LA and NY? What is that, Great transmigration??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Re: are we here Date: 03 Apr 1997 13:12:10 GMT >>listen to orbital's..."Are we Here?" track 5...it's 6 minutes of = silence >>almost...or is it?...we had some lab techs take a look and they said = there >>is something in there, but they couldn't figure out how it was >>encoded...>encryption)..but who knows... cannot be...OK I don't know anything about the technology of making CDs and I would find such info excruciatingly boring. But on my CD, the CD is not even written on where track 5 is, there's just a ring of more shinyness and then a ring where track 6 is. I reckon, that the only code written on that bit would be a message to the CD player to "keep playing" rather than "stop coz you've reached the end of the CD" =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Re: are we here Date: 03 Apr 1997 13:12:10 GMT >>listen to orbital's..."Are we Here?" track 5...it's 6 minutes of = silence >>almost...or is it?...we had some lab techs take a look and they said = there >>is something in there, but they couldn't figure out how it was >>encoded...>encryption)..but who knows... cannot be...OK I don't know anything about the technology of making CDs and I would find such info excruciatingly boring. But on my CD, the CD is not even written on where track 5 is, there's just a ring of more shinyness and then a ring where track 6 is. I reckon, that the only code written on that bit would be a message to the CD player to "keep playing" rather than "stop coz you've reached the end of the CD" =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Micah Subject: Re: Orbitaless Organic Date: 03 Apr 1997 07:22:12 -0500 i too have read many interviews with FSOL, and they always say that they will never play a live show! i think it sucks too, but can understand. the closest you'll be able to get is their live ISDN on the net.... correct me if i'm wrong, i still need to sleep (0715hrs...) annai -- http://home1.gte.net/annai mailto:annai@gte.net `this is our new s=ong just like th last one a total w.a.s.t.e. of time.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: *thee dark star thief Subject: shy FSOL... Date: 03 Apr 1997 09:07:24 -0500 (EST) i get the impression they dont do much live performance but i have seen a few interviews... in the SPIN 10th anniversary gary cobain did an interview and in a CMJ from last year they were on the front cover with the month's big interview... two pages... not terribly secretive about interviewing if you ask me... *jim ***************"MTV makes me want to smoke crack" - Beck**************** * * * "every man and woman is a star tonight" - mbm * * * * "i'll be the sky above the ganges/i'll be the vast and stormy sea" * * -REM "be mine" * * * ****-the rainbow mindbath:http://www.netsync.net/users/jbriggs/jim3/**** On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Michael Plump wrote: > On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Anthony Agee wrote: > > > Somebody should get FSOL to tour the U.S. (have they ever?). They are very > > dynamic...would be great to see live (then again, who would I NOT like to > > see live?) > > What I understand (and I could be wrong) is that FSOL never plays live. > They did the ISDN radio broadcasts instead of going live. In fact they > are very mysterious individuals who rarely (if ever?) do interviews. > > for some reason that was the impression I had gotten... Can someone > confirm/deny any/all of this? thanky! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael Plump ++ plumpy@orbital.hurrah.com ++ plumpy@magic.hurrah.com > "We are dancing right now, so not very much is being served at the moment." > --orbital.hurrah.com webpage > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Subject: Orbital web page - Radio1 Tonite (UK) Date: 03 Apr 1997 14:41:05 +0100 Hi, I have just heard on the radio that there will be an "uncovering" of the new Orbital "LP" on the evening session tonight (Thursday). I think it's on at 6:30PM (GMT) till 8:30PM - However be warned - most of it's content won't be orbital, or any other dance/techno etc music. If anybody reads this and can't recieve it or misses it, mail me and I'll return the gist of what's said. I have finally decided that I should use the 5Mb of web space I get free with my Demon ISP account. Does anybody want to help develop it with me into an orbital page???. I have not had the time to any Orbital stuff so far, but the current template is at www.jlwynne.demon.co.uk Interested? mail address is in the sig. I have just heard a DJ friend of mine mix the end of The Saint with Dwr Budr and it sounds excellent!. One part of The Saint bears a similar chord pattern with about the 5th minute of "Dirty Water" which makes it quite easy to mix, apparently. Does anybody know about what the (crying?) sound on approx 4th minute of Impact (Brown and Satan Live) is?. I can't figure out whether it is a machine or some one dying. I am sick of telling people who hear it in my car/house and ask what it is, that I don't know. -- Tim "Why not?...Yeah..." - standard disclaimer - I will never spell "cool", "kewl" "Is this building up my resistance Dad?" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Duncan Price Date: 03 Apr 1997 09:50:52 -0500 Hello boyz and girls... What about "The Saint" soundtrack? Underworld - Pearl's Girl gets my vote for the best song on the soundtrack. The Saint theme is okay, but a bit more repetitive than better Orbital songs. Daft Punk is pretty groovin' ... Just my quick humble opinions before headin' off to work! (and I'll be jammin' to Pearl's Girl and probably the Satan Live 2 disc (Lush Live - mmmmmmmm.....) Duncan Any info on good shows coming to the Durham/Raleigh/Chapel Thrill area would be much appreciated... I'd travel anywhere for Orbital :o) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mindub808@aol.com Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 03 Apr 1997 10:06:37 -0500 (EST) She's right... she's not a trendy raver like most you meet on these lists. She truly respects and enjoys the music. Please help this damsel in distress. I've tried, but she won't take my advice. Mybe you can.... (J/K Lauren) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: StageFront@aol.com Subject: Re: dc Date: 03 Apr 1997 10:14:22 -0500 (EST) Orbital lover in DC over here!! Actually i am in the maryland area but i guess people consider that the "red-tape district" :-) jamie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "matt russell" Subject: wipeout????? Date: 03 Apr 1997 10:45:44 -0500 who is on the wipeout xl cd and what songs do they do? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Niko Tzoukmanis Subject: Re: New Orbital Album??? Date: 03 Apr 1997 18:10:09 +0200 Rich wrote: > > I have just been into my local Virgin Records Store In Nottingham. They > have a sort of notice board on the wall to announce any forthcoming albums > from bands and it said that Orbital have an album out on 21st April? I am > confused about this - can anyone shed any light as to what this mystery > 'album' is ???!?!?! or have Virgin got it wrong?!?! > > Confusathon + on + on > > Richard I think they announced the forthcoming single, the saint. -- * Name: Niko Tzoukmanis * Address: Lehrstuhl fuer Angewandte Mathematik I, Prof. R.H.W. Hoppe, Universitaet Augsburg, Universitaetsstr. 14, 86159 Augsburg * Tel: 0821 / 598 - 2260 * URL: http://wwwhoppe.math.uni-augsburg.de/~tzoukman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Young" Subject: Re: Date: 03 Apr 1997 10:30:07 -0600 ---------- : From: Duncan Price : What about "The Saint" soundtrack? : Underworld - Pearl's Girl gets my vote for the best song on the soundtrack. : The Saint theme is okay, but a bit more repetitive than better Orbital : songs. Daft Punk is pretty groovin' ... Daft Punk gets my vote! Actually the entire cd is pretty damn good. I think its one of the best soundtracks to come out in a long time! Though, im NOT knocking Underworld. robert ryoung@fastlane.net "There are two things to come out of Berkeley, LSD and UNIX; We do not believe this to be a coincidence" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sproston Green Subject: Re: Orbital web page - Radio1 Tonite (UK) Date: 03 Apr 1997 11:41:43 -0500 > Does anybody know about what the (crying?) sound on approx 4th minute >of Impact (Brown and Satan Live) is?. I can't figure out whether it is a >machine or some one dying. I am sick of telling people who hear it in >my car/house and ask what it is, that I don't know. From what I can hear its like.....'earth..earth..the earth is burning..oh?..no?' Definitely says 'the earth is burning' though. S p r o s t o n G r e e n jrobin@tiac.net http://www.tiac.net/users/jrobin/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian A. Shillito" Subject: In Sides / Halcyon (Live) Date: 03 Apr 1997 17:56:40 +0100 Can anyone tell me the catalogue number for the new 'in Sides' release with 'the Saint' and 'Halcyon (Live)' on it. I want to order it from Virgin and I'll neet the catalogue number..... This has been an E-Mail from Ian A. Shillito - Who Then Now, Bitches? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Re: dc Date: 03 Apr 1997 19:02:43 GMT >ok, but while listening to it you need something to ponder, and besides >it pisses me off when people classify music wrong. I guess it's just a >pet peeve of mine. same here :) sad isn't it? but when someone calls something d'n'b when it isn't I feel I have to leap to the rescue. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Plump Subject: Re: are we here Date: 03 Apr 1997 10:00:28 -0800 (PST) On Thu, 3 Apr 1997 ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk wrote: > cannot be...OK I don't know anything about the technology of making > CDs and I would find such info excruciatingly boring. But on my CD, > the CD is not even written on where track 5 is, there's just a ring of > more shinyness and then a ring where track 6 is. I reckon, that the > only code written on that bit would be a message to the CD player to > "keep playing" rather than "stop coz you've reached the end of the CD" What are you guys talking about? My copy of Are We Here has a 5th track! I'm listening to it right now... it's the "Industry Standard Edit". Pretty nice dancey happy version. Must be that you brits got gypped, cuz its on my American version... All six of them are. Michael Plump ++ plumpy@orbital.hurrah.com ++ plumpy@magic.hurrah.com "We are dancing right now, so not very much is being served at the moment." --orbital.hurrah.com webpage ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Weitzner Subject: re: Plastikman Date: 03 Apr 1997 13:42:37 -0500 (EST) I just saw Richie Hawtin spin last week at Industry and he was AWFUL! The magic that he once had was not evident at this live performance. I think he needs to get into more funk (like on the albums) and less noise. But, if you really care to know he's been releasing some stuff under different names on the labels he runs with John Aquaviva, including Plus 8, Probe, and Definitive. P.S. In regards to Josh Wink in Toronto, do you know that Daft Punk is in town the same night? And Wink will be coming to Industry in May so.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Chen Subject: Re: are we here Date: 03 Apr 1997 11:04:56 -0800 That's really amazing...can your techs find out what's inside of the silent bit? I am really interested. b. >>listen to orbital's..."Are we Here?" track 5...it's 6 minutes of silence >>almost...or is it?...we had some lab techs take a look and they said there >>is something in there, but they couldn't figure out how it was >>encoded...>encryption)..but who knows... >>... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: reelisti@gate.net Subject: Re: Orbitaless Organic Date: 03 Apr 1997 14:14:30 -0500 Michael Plump wrote: > > On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Anthony Agee wrote: > > > Somebody should get FSOL to tour the U.S. (have they ever?). They > >are very dynamic...would be great to see live (then again, who would I NOT like to > > see live?) > > What I understand (and I could be wrong) is that FSOL never plays live. > They did the ISDN radio broadcasts instead of going live. In fact they > are very mysterious individuals who rarely (if ever?) do interviews. > > for some reason that was the impression I had gotten... Can someone > confirm/deny any/all of this? thanky! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael Plump ++ plumpy@orbital.hurrah.com ++ plumpy@magic.hurrah.com I may be just confirming a rumor with another, but yes, I heard that FSOL doesn't play live at venues- only through ISDN. Actually, that might be in their Mixmag interview from Oct. 96- very good interview. It's informative about the band and gives you some "good perspectives on life". As for Organic.....kinda disappointed that Orbital won't play, but if MBM is going to be there-I'm going to every fucking show! =) Ivy reelisti@gate.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: strout@roch803.mc.xerox.com (Sean Strout) Subject: Re: are we here Date: 03 Apr 1997 11:17:18 PST > > cannot be...OK I don't know anything about the technology of making > > CDs and I would find such info excruciatingly boring. But on my CD, > > the CD is not even written on where track 5 is, there's just a ring of > > more shinyness and then a ring where track 6 is. I reckon, that the > > only code written on that bit would be a message to the CD player to > > "keep playing" rather than "stop coz you've reached the end of the CD" > > What are you guys talking about? My copy of Are We Here has a 5th track! > I'm listening to it right now... it's the "Industry Standard Edit". > Pretty nice dancey happy version. Must be that you brits got gypped, cuz > its on my American version... All six of them are. CD5: 1994 US (ffrr; 697-120047-2) 7:30 Who Are They? 8:36 Are We Here? (oral mix) 10:17 What Was That? 9:54 Are We Here? (lunasol wet mix) 3:51 Industry Standard? ["Industry Standard Edit"] 4:12 Are We Here? (the edit) CD5: 1994 UK (Internal; LIECD 15 / 857707-2) [slim jewelbox] 7:37 Who Are They? 5:16 Do They Here? 8:43 They Did It 10:17 What Was That? 3:59 Criminal Justice Bill? [intentionally silent] 3:47 Industry Standard? -s. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KRYPTON Subject: Question on Orblivion CD Date: 03 Apr 1997 23:30:51 +-400 Guys, Did anyone listen to track 12 on Orblivion CD it's called 72 and lasts only 6 seconds (see back cover). After 6 seconds there are several minutes of silence and then several minutes of music and the totas time of this particular track is about 10 minutes. Does anyone know what what the hell is going on??? \\\\\|||||||////// <...><...> _________KrYpToN_____________ \ L / >>>krypton@dol.ru<<< \ == / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KaisrSolze@aol.com Subject: Re: Orbitaless Organic Date: 03 Apr 1997 15:15:47 -0500 (EST) > BTW go out and buy "Accelerator" by FSOL if you dont already hae it I have Dead Cities and I don't really like it-the hard tracks are too obvious, while the ambient tracks meander too much. Have I missed the point of the album, or is FSOL always like this, or is this just a bad album, or what? Is it worth getting some other FSOL album like Accelerator or LifeForms even if I don't like Dead Cities? Thanks much Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KaisrSolze@aol.com Subject: Re: reply from a stunted bloody 4-year old Date: 03 Apr 1997 15:22:58 -0500 (EST) >> ... the Jungle scene is stronger here in LA and NY but the ambient > scene is >perhaps as large as Britain , > What Jungle scene do you mean? The NY jungle scene is actually pretty strong-Jungle Sky, Soul Slinger, Wally, Swingsett, Konkrete jungle, TC Islam, Cassien, del Mar, Loki, etc. There is a jungle club on almost every night, plus illbient stuff (DJ Spooky, etc.) My question is-are there any good techno/ambient clubs in NYC that play "IDM", plus more commercial stuff like the Chem Brothers, Underworld, etc? Thanks much Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Zahir" Subject: winx/liquid adrenaline Date: 03 Apr 1997 15:26:16 -0500 ok so liquid is going to be on the 12th and josh winx is playing at the warehouse in Toronto on the 12th, why does this make no sense at all? oh so confused little earthling... ((( zahir--> zahir@globalserve.net ))) (( ... in our sight, Miss Moneypenny...)) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BurritoOne@aol.com Subject: Re: wipeout????? Date: 03 Apr 1997 15:46:37 -0500 (EST) which one? the american version or the good version<<<<<< Subject: Re: Question on Orblivion CD Date: 03 Apr 1997 21:59:47 +0100 You must have just started getting this list mate! Last week there was a big debate about this and it is on all copies of Orblivion intentionally. It is basically a hidden track which a lot of people might not hear if they just switch off the CD at the end. It's been done before on albums like Nirvana's 'Nevermind' Richard ---------- > From: KRYPTON > To: 'orbital-digest@xmission.com' > Subject: Question on Orblivion CD > Date: 04 April 1997 00:30 > > Guys, > Did anyone listen to track 12 on Orblivion CD > it's called 72 and lasts only 6 seconds > (see back cover). > After 6 seconds there are several minutes of > silence and then several minutes of music > and the totas time of this particular track is > about 10 minutes. > > Does anyone know what what the hell is going on??? > > \\\\\|||||||////// > <...><...> _________KrYpToN_____________ > \ L / >>>krypton@dol.ru<<< > \ == / > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Gundlach Subject: Re: Orbital web page - Radio1 Tonite (UK) Date: 03 Apr 1997 01:14:41 -0800 Sproston Green wrote: > >From what I can hear its like.....'earth..earth..the earth is burning..oh?..no?' > > Definitely says 'the earth is burning' though. Here's what I hear..."oh, the earth, the earth is burning, im-pact" I'm probably wrong though.... The Other Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anthony Agee" Subject: Re: Moonshine tour Date: 03 Apr 1997 16:18:14 -0600 > Really?!? Keoki gonna be there too? I just got into Moonshine last year, > and every thing I've purchased so far from that label is exceptional. Do you > have tour dates? I would be willing to make a pilgrimage if need be (I live > in Detroit). > I'm replying to the list instead of personally in case anyone else cares. Yeah, Keoki is going to be there as well. (although I heard he is the #1 most overrated DJ). Check out http://www.moonshine.com HiFi@kcnet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anthony Agee" Subject: Re: Orbitaless Organic Date: 03 Apr 1997 16:28:13 -0600 > > BTW go out and buy "Accelerator" by FSOL if you dont already hae it > > I have Dead Cities and I don't really like it-the hard tracks are too > obvious, while the ambient tracks meander too much. Have I missed the point > of the album, or is FSOL always like this, or is this just a bad album, or > what? Is it worth getting some other FSOL album like Accelerator or > LifeForms even if I don't like Dead Cities? Dead Cities is easily the 2nd best electronica album to be released last year. It's gorgeous. Tony in Kansas, still trying to find goddamn Josh Wink's "Left Above the Clouds". What is this, a conspiracy?!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lesley Dobin Subject: Re: reply from a stunted bloody 4-year Date: 03 Apr 1997 16:44:00 -0500 >> ... the Jungle scene is stronger here in LA and NY but the ambient > >>scene is perhaps as large as Britain , >What Jungle scene do you mean? And it is stronger then where? May be >then in Russia?...maybe??? Before your statement I thought that LTJ >Bykem, Rob Haigh (Playford), PFM, T-Power, Adam F, Photek, Alex Reece, >Wax Doctor, DJ Pulse, Doc Scott, DJ Fabio, Rendal, Goldie, DJ Seduction, >DJ Rap, Wish Doctor and many, many others live in Britain... May be they >all have moved in LA and NY? What is that, Great transmigration??? Continental drift on a mutant scale maybe? Wake up with Britian kitty corner to LA, adrift in the Pacific? Perhaps I misread what was on my screen, it's been known to happen, but I thought the orginal poster was saying that the jungle scenes in LA and NY were stronger than other parts of America *naturally being as they are two of the largest populations with the most diverse populace* But that was what the whole point of the original post was about, right, how an American scene seems to be marginalized in the face of a thriving and huge British scene. I don't know. What does it matter either way, really? I don't know of any "scenes" in my neck of the woods, doesn't make me less fond of the music, or the music less relevant to my life, does it? So long as it's available *bless mail order catalogues* I'll buy it. It's not so bad being under rated either. "I wish I could make sense of all the jumble that's in my head, everything would be so much clearer if you could read my mind." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: Re: Orbitaless Organic -Reply Date: 03 Apr 1997 17:45:11 -0600 If u don't like Dead cities, you might like Accelerator. It's a more dancy album and all of the songs have a more consistent feel. Lifeforms is is very good aslo, but it is more similar to Dead Cities in it's general feel. Have you ever listened to Underworld? They're my favorite after Orbital, of course. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. TAYLOR" Subject: Re: reply from a stunted bloody 4-year old Date: 03 Apr 1997 17:15:11 -0700 (MST) On Thu, 3 Apr 1997 KaisrSolze@aol.com wrote: > >> ... the Jungle scene is stronger here in LA and NY but the ambient > scene > is > >perhaps as large as Britain , > > What Jungle scene do you mean? > The NY jungle scene is actually pretty strong-Jungle Sky, Soul Slinger, > Wally, Swingsett, Konkrete jungle, TC Islam, Cassien, del Mar, Loki, etc. > There is a jungle club on almost every night, plus illbient stuff (DJ > Spooky, etc.) My question is-are there any good techno/ambient clubs in NYC > that play "IDM", plus more commercial stuff like the Chem Brothers, > Underworld, etc? Exactly, when I was in NYC last year I couldn't find one all Jungle. Supposedly there's a large old rave ambient spot next to Wetlands which has upgraded it's act. > > Thanks much > Sam > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: DC Date: 03 Apr 1997 19:21:12 -0500 (EST) In a message dated 97-04-03 00:23:20 EST, you write: << Actually most people I know that listen to Techno music hate the new terms that empty-v has coined for it. I sure as hell never have used electronica in a sentance. But that's just me I suppose -Brian >> Way to go, Brian! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: *thee dark star thief Subject: aphex twin - debating... Date: 03 Apr 1997 19:45:24 -0500 (EST) i am debating on whether to pick up "richard d. james album" - the new aphex twin... could somebody give me a reccomendation of what to do - really my favourite of his so far is track no. 12 on i care because you do... the really ambient th9ing with strings, etc... is the new album anything like that... *jim ***************"MTV makes me want to smoke crack" - Beck**************** * * * "every man and woman is a star tonight" - mbm * * * * "i'll be the sky above the ganges/i'll be the vast and stormy sea" * * -REM "be mine" * * * ****-the rainbow mindbath:http://www.netsync.net/users/jbriggs/jim3/**** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Gomes Subject: wipeout xl Date: 02 Apr 1997 18:03:19 -0800 hey, You asked about the wipeout xl soundtrak. It goes like this. (us only) 1 FSOL- we have explosive 2 Fluke- atom bomb 3 The Chemical Brothers- loops of fury 4 Underworld- tin there 5 Photek- the third sequence 6 The Chemical Brothers- leave home (underworld mix1) 7 FSOL- we have explosive (herd killing) 8 Prodigy- firestarter (instrumental) 9 Fluke- u six 10 Daft Punk- musique 11 Source Direct- 2097 12 Photek- titan 13 Orbital- petrol 14 Leftfield- afro ride Check out the game too. It's awesome, I played it on Sega Saturn. -- Cya Morpheus Morpheus Productions: http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus Morpheus@xl.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Gomes Subject: Re: missing 6 mins Date: 02 Apr 1997 18:12:05 -0800 STOP! I do not agree with your Dr. Moreau comment there. I loved the movie. The special effects were not existant, but that's not what makes a good movie. For instance, twister has deadly effects, but if you take them out, you have a high school movie. I'm not quite sure exactly what you meant, but I thought I would bring this up. DR J J JACOBS wrote: > > To Matt and anyone else: > The sample on Orblivion (bar-codes etc) is taken from Mike Leigh's > film NAKED (1994-5??) and the voice is actor David Thewlis a British > actor last seen in the pisspoor remake of THE ISLAND OF DR MOREAU. In -- Cya Morpheus Morpheus Productions: http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus Morpheus@xl.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Gomes Subject: Re: Orbitaless Organic Date: 02 Apr 1997 18:16:16 -0800 Hey, I love the first song of lifeforms(can't remember the name). I have the video, but I can't find the song that is on the video on the trak marked for it. Is it just way into the song, or is the video a deadly remix. And if any of you are interested, I have remix of we have explosive. It's a mod, but it's the best mod I've ever heard and I also have the box as well. Mail me privately if interested. -- Cya Morpheus Morpheus Productions: http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus Morpheus@xl.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: Film track. Date: 04 Apr 1997 03:50:33 +0100 Hi, I read a post about an Orbital track called "The living daymare" or something, I've lost the original posters message, oops. It's on a video I think. Can anyone confirm this and is the video avaliable ? Regarding what is or is not techno. People have different ideas about what it is, so best not to worry about it too much. If you want to let someone know what you like talk about the artist or even better, play them a tape of it ! :) Techno used to be mainly just detroit, but now it could mean anything, like the word "rave" can mean anything, techno to me just means electronic dance music, the other labels are usually just a way of making it clearer what "sort" of techno it is. Thats my way of looking at it anyway, you are welcome to yours as well. Division in the rave scene is down to prejudice, usually over really stupid things. Lifes to short to hate people over what music they like or not - theres far more important things to get concerned about. Thats all, info on the video would be much appreciated...thanks! :) -- Mark S-D Please remove the *no spam* from my address when using reply. Thankyou. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: reelisti@gate.net Subject: Re: aphex twin - debating... Date: 03 Apr 1997 22:49:51 -0500 *thee dark star thief wrote: > > i am debating on whether to pick up "richard d. james album" - the new > aphex twin... could somebody give me a reccomendation of what to do - > really my favourite of his so far is track no. 12 on i care because you > do... the really ambient th9ing with strings, etc... is the new album > anything like that... > *jim The album is great. He's a genius. Pick it up- Ivy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian A. Crawford" Subject: Underworld question Date: 03 Apr 1997 22:12:26 -0500 (EST) On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Mike Ash wrote: > Have you ever listened to Underworld? They're my favorite after Orbital, > of course. That brings up a question. I bought the Born Slippy single, and it is by far one of the best singles I've ever bought... it has several excellent versions of Born Slippy as well as two other great songs, and overall the whole album runs a whole buncha minutes (too lazy to check exactly how many). My question is this: I saw two versions of Underworld's album. One was the normal $13 or so and had all the normal songs on it. The other was $21 and had Born Slippy and Nuxx on it as well (on another CD). However, on this single I bought, Nuxx is written after most of the Born Slippy versions. Is it a separate song or a version of Born Slippy? And if I buy this $21 version of the Underworld album, will I just be re-buying this single I got? Thanks, sorry this message is so boggling. Bri ================================== Brian A. Crawford crawford@stono.cs.cofc.edu http://stono.cs.cofc.edu/~crawford ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wendi Wachsmuth Subject: Re: Question on Orblivion CD Date: 03 Apr 1997 20:30:49 -0600 (CST) At 09:59 PM 4/3/97 +0100, you wrote: >You must have just started getting this list mate! Last week there was a >big debate about this and it is on all copies of Orblivion intentionally. >It is basically a hidden track which a lot of people might not hear if they >just switch off the CD at the end. It's been done before on albums like >Nirvana's 'Nevermind' > >Richard > >---------- >> From: KRYPTON >> To: 'orbital-digest@xmission.com' >> Subject: Question on Orblivion CD >> Date: 04 April 1997 00:30 >> no offense to anyone, but i can no longer continue to receive mail from this list/group. i've had fun reading your stuff, too much fun, schoolwork must now take priority, and i can not afford to download this much info to my discs. if anyone out there knows how to unsubscribe, please let me know. wendigo@mail.utexas.edu yours electronically, wendi >> Guys, >> Did anyone listen to track 12 on Orblivion CD >> it's called 72 and lasts only 6 seconds >> (see back cover). >> After 6 seconds there are several minutes of >> silence and then several minutes of music >> and the totas time of this particular track is >> about 10 minutes. >> >> Does anyone know what what the hell is going on??? >> >> \\\\\|||||||////// >> <...><...> _________KrYpToN_____________ >> \ L / >>>krypton@dol.ru<<< >> \ == / >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chris lietz Subject: Re: Global Communication Date: 03 Apr 1997 20:35:44 -0600 Kevin Gomes wrote: > > Hey, > > Has anyone heard of the group called Global Communication. They do such > songs as "the right to be" and "stone cold groove" (i think that's the > names) they are awesome, but they are more acid jazz and ambient. I > have been looking for the cd, but can't find it. Does anyone have? and > is it good? these boys are extremely prolific, and are not limited to ambient (never heard tehm described as acid jazz however) they have many different guises (reload, global comm, e621, link, jedi knights, chaos and julia set) and all of them are different styles. best bet would be to check out their web site although i am not positive of the address. (check out hyperreal) cl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joona =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=94yh=94nen?= Subject: Re: Orbitaless Organic Date: 04 Apr 1997 06:16:47 At 15.15 3.4.1997 -0500, you wrote: >> BTW go out and buy "Accelerator" by FSOL if you dont already hae it > >I have Dead Cities and I don't really like it-the hard tracks are too >obvious, while the ambient tracks meander too much. Have I missed the= point >of the album, or is FSOL always like this, or is this just a bad album, or >what? Is it worth getting some other FSOL album like Accelerator or >LifeForms even if I don't like Dead Cities? I don=B4t know about Accelerator but Lifeforms is VERY ambient! joona p=F6yh=F6nen Orbital feloc Future Sound Of London jp@clinet.fi Autechre Aphex Twin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aleksandra Adamovic Subject: Re: wipeout xl Date: 04 Apr 1997 07:36:33 +0200 (MET DST) Isn't this tracklist of Wipeout 2097??? On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Kevin Gomes wrote: > hey, > > You asked about the wipeout xl soundtrak. It goes like this. (us only) > > 1 FSOL- we have explosive > 2 Fluke- atom bomb > 3 The Chemical Brothers- loops of fury > 4 Underworld- tin there > 5 Photek- the third sequence > 6 The Chemical Brothers- leave home (underworld mix1) > 7 FSOL- we have explosive (herd killing) > 8 Prodigy- firestarter (instrumental) > 9 Fluke- u six > 10 Daft Punk- musique > 11 Source Direct- 2097 > 12 Photek- titan > 13 Orbital- petrol > 14 Leftfield- afro ride > > Check out the game too. It's awesome, I played it on Sega Saturn. > -- > Cya > > Morpheus > > > > > > Morpheus Productions: > > http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus > > Morpheus@xl.ca > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clerc2@pe.net Subject: LA jungle scene + wipeout import version Date: 03 Apr 1997 21:43:40 -0800 About the LA jungle scene- is there one? I haven't been able to find one, and I've been trying to for awhile. Of course, I do live out in the desert aways (riverside), so I'm not exactly in the loop, but if anyone knows of LA jungle stuff, please lemme know about it privately. Thanks bunches! (please lemme know about anything in the SF area, too) Also- Is the UK version of the Wipeout cd substantially differnt than the US? I figured it might be called Wipeout 2097, as everything in the "we have explosive" vid has that logo, but are any tracks different? ...so I thought to myself, "what would God do in this situation?" Then it came to me. Locusts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clerc2@pe.net Subject: satan 2x12" trainspotting Date: 03 Apr 1997 22:09:18 -0800 Just wondering about this- at the end of the text on the back of the record holder thingy, it says "45RPM" Now, I'm playing my stuff at 33, and it sounds like it should, as in its not tinny and its not a funny kind of slow. Am I just being stupid and playing it at the wrong speed? It sure doesn't seem like it... and after listening to the green album for three years, it seems like I *should* know what it sounds like. Please lemme know...... Ryan (actually, I just put Satan on at 45, it sounds pretty damned cool sped up! I wish there was some jungle that sounded like this! fast bass breakbeats, wicked drumstuff over the top, teethgrinding noises. okay, I'm gonna go reach for a blank tape...) ...so I thought to myself, "what would God do in this situation?" Then it came to me. Locusts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Morpheus Subject: Re: wipeout xl Date: 02 Apr 1997 23:38:25 -0800 No it's the trak list of wipeout xl it is sitting right in front of my face, and the cover clearly states that it is the soundtrak for the video game called wipe out XL. the game for sega is just called wipeout Aleksandra Adamovic wrote: > > Isn't this tracklist of Wipeout 2097??? > -- Cya Morpheus Morpheus Productions: http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus Morpheus@xl.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Plump Subject: Re: Orbitaless Organic Date: 03 Apr 1997 22:39:34 -0800 (PST) On Thu, 3 Apr 1997 KaisrSolze@aol.com wrote: > I have Dead Cities and I don't really like it-the hard tracks are too > obvious, while the ambient tracks meander too much. Have I missed the point > of the album, or is FSOL always like this, or is this just a bad album, or > what? Is it worth getting some other FSOL album like Accelerator or > LifeForms even if I don't like Dead Cities? GET accelerator. It is completely untypical FSoL. no ambient stuff; all killer dance shit. I mean... ambient stuff is nice... but you can't BUGGER OUT to it!!! Michael Plump ++ plumpy@orbital.hurrah.com ++ plumpy@magic.hurrah.com "We are dancing right now, so not very much is being served at the moment." --orbital.hurrah.com webpage ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Plump Subject: Re: aphex twin - debating... Date: 03 Apr 1997 23:00:32 -0800 (PST) On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, *thee dark star thief wrote: > i am debating on whether to pick up "richard d. james album" - the new > aphex twin... could somebody give me a reccomendation of what to do - > really my favourite of his so far is track no. 12 on i care because you > do... the really ambient th9ing with strings, etc... is the new album > anything like that... if you're in the US, both Border's Books and Music and Tower has it in their listening stations... From what I've heard (small snippets) it is rather un-ambiant, but still INCREDIBLY good. I'd've picked it up myself if it weren't for the fact that I'm FUCKING BROKE. :-( Michael Plump ++ plumpy@orbital.hurrah.com ++ plumpy@magic.hurrah.com "We are dancing right now, so not very much is being served at the moment." --orbital.hurrah.com webpage ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aPpLesEeD Subject: Re: shy FSOL Date: 04 Apr 1997 17:31:56 +1000 Jim (aka thee dark star thief) wrote: > i get the impression they dont do much live performance but i have seen a > few interviews... in the SPIN 10th anniversary gary cobain did an > interview and in a CMJ from last year they were on the front cover with > the month's big interview... two pages... not terribly secretive about > interviewing if you ask me... The less I know about Gary Cobain, the better. Everytime I've read an interview he's been represented as pretty damn far up his own arse and highly critical of other people's music, in the true tradition of the techno genius "I don't listen to anyone else's stuff 'cos it's all shit" attitude that could be applied to half a dozen other artists- notably that guy that drives an armour car. After hearing the first track, "On Earth", on his solo project Woob (em:t 1194) CD on the t:me recording label, this is almost forgivable, but nonetheless it doesn't change the fact that he appears to be a arrogant prick. -- geNerATION K: Because everything is wrong ..... except the apple. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aPpLesEeD Subject: Re: Impact vocal snippets Date: 04 Apr 1997 17:40:30 +1000 In his post about "Orbital web page - Radio1 Tonite (UK)", Tim asks: > Does anybody know about what the (crying?) sound on approx 4th minute > of Impact (Brown and Satan Live) is?. I can't figure out whether it is a > machine or some one dying. I am sick of telling people who hear it in > my car/house and ask what it is, that I don't know. I remember reading somewhere that the Brothers Hartnell sampled this from an obscure French sci-fi film (and presumably, the "cry for survival" bit comes from this too.) If memory serves, they wouldn't 'fess up to it's title when pressed, probably because of issue of uncleared samples once discussed on this list some moons ago. -- geNerATION K: Because everything is wrong ..... except the apple. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aPpLesEeD Subject: Re: wipE'out" xl/2097 soundtrack Date: 04 Apr 1997 17:52:21 +1000 In a reply to Matt Russell's post, the Burrito writes: > which one? the american version or the good version<<<<<< american version........future sound of london, fluke, chemical bros., > underworld, photek, chemical bros., future sound of london, prodigy, fluke, > draft punk, source direct, photek, orbital, and leftfield. can't remember > who all is on the import. The sequel to wipE'out" is called wipE'out" xl in America, and wipE'out" 2097 in the rest of the world. The 2097 CD I have here in Australia has an identical track listing to that given by Morpheus, and having seen the US version, I can tell you that the only difference is that you can substitute "xl" for "2097" on the sleeve insert. -- geNerATION K: Because everything is wrong ..... except the apple. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Hurtgen Subject: Orbital In Miami Date: 04 Apr 1997 02:51:35 -0500 I have seen the brothers perform live twice and they are awesome. Their first show at Paragon on Miami Beach was very intimate with an excellent vibe. The one in December at Ft. Lauderdale's The Theater was sonic history. I got to meet Paul after the show 'cause I saw him walking around when everyone was leaving. He was very cool and even asked ME questions. Orbital has created some of my favorite sounds of all time. We all know they are the shit. Sorry I don't have time to send you a copy of the 110 and 90 minute mix tapes spanning all releases except the new In Sides 2nd disk that I just made. Do yourself the biggest favor in the world and pick up a copy of Torch Song's "Toward The Unknown Region" LP. William Orbit IS THE BEST COMPOSER IN THE UNIVERSE. What's up , Miami? Love to all, Lightfinger@Compuserve.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dxford@earthlink.net" Subject: Re: aphex twin - debating... Date: 03 Apr 1997 23:58:46 -0800 Michael Plump wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, *thee dark star thief wrote: > > > i am debating on whether to pick up "richard d. james album" - the new > > aphex twin... could somebody give me a reccomendation of what to do - > > really my favourite of his so far is track no. 12 on i care because you > > do... the really ambient th9ing with strings, etc... is the new album > > anything like that... > > if you're in the US, both Border's Books and Music and Tower has it in > their listening stations... From what I've heard (small snippets) it is > rather un-ambiant, but still INCREDIBLY good. I'd've picked it up myself > if it weren't for the fact that I'm FUCKING BROKE. :-( > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael Plump ++ plumpy@orbital.hurrah.com ++ plumpy@magic.hurrah.com > "We are dancing right now, so not very much is being served at the moment." > --orbital.hurrah.com webpage Two words: BUY IT!! Its a great album for newcomers as well as die hard fans. Just dont judge Aphex Twin by the last album he had : "Selected Ambient Works Vol. 2" cause it wasnt very good. The store I work at just took it off our listening post about three weeks ago but the others in our chain might still have it up. any more questions direct them to me. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aPpLesEeD Subject: Re: Global Communications Date: 04 Apr 1997 18:11:27 +1000 Kevin Gomes (aka ) asks: > Has anyone heard of the group called Global Communication. They do such > songs as "the right to be" and "stone cold groove" (i think that's the > names) they are awesome, but they are more acid jazz and ambient. I > have been looking for the cd, but can't find it. Does anyone have? and > is it good? The album is called "76:14" (after the length of the CD, although my copy's a little longer ;-) and is a wonderfully melodic chill-out. Global Communications is just the ambient moniker of Tom Middleton & Mark Pritchard, who operate under varitey of psuedonyms and produce many genres of electronica. They first came to my attention with a remix of the Grid's "Rollercoaster", then I got "The Theory of Evolution" CD, a compilation of their work on the Evolution label as Link, Reload, E621 & Mystic Institute. Last year they released a minimalist techno-funk album "New School Science" as The Jedi Knights! -- geNerATION K: Because everything is wrong ..... except the apple. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "A. Drobbner" Subject: Re: Film track. Date: 04 Apr 1997 11:10:51 +0200 Mark S-D wrote: > Hi, > I read a post about an Orbital track called "The living daymare" or > something, I've lost the original posters message, oops. It's on a video > I think. Can anyone confirm this and is the video avaliable ? Well, I posted this. The song is called 'The Rainforest Daymare' and the video is called 'Ancient Alien: The Protean Vision Quest Video'. As far as can remember this video also featured tracks by Move D and Scanner. It's all very ambient-ish and very good to chill to... (*smoke*).... I taped the video but if this is a new song/video I guess they will show it from time to time in the next weeks Sorry, that's all I know............... Rgds Andreas | A.DROBBNER at ElCafe, Hamburg | | andro@elcafe.com | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shaun Rader Subject: RE: satan 2x12" trainspotting Date: 04 Apr 1997 01:17:25 -0800 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC4095.F5BF7000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was wondering the exact same thing. I was happy to see that it was a 45RPM record (because the sound quality should be better right?) and it's obviously recorded at 33. They should have made Satan 45 at least (since the track is so short...). Shaun . . . . . . . . . . . . . -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, April 03, 1997 10:09 PM Just wondering about this- at the end of the text on the back of the record holder thingy, it says "45RPM" Now, I'm playing my stuff at 33, and it sounds like it should, as in its not tinny and its not a funny kind of slow. Am I just being stupid and playing it at the wrong speed? It sure doesn't seem like it... and after listening to the green album for three years, it seems like I *should* know what it sounds like. Please lemme know...... 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Drobbner" Subject: Re: Underworld question Date: 04 Apr 1997 11:21:28 +0200 Brian A. Crawford wrote: > That brings up a question. I bought the Born Slippy single, and > it is by far one of the best singles I've ever bought... it has several > excellent versions of Born Slippy as well as two other great songs, and > overall the whole album runs a whole buncha minutes (too lazy to check > exactly how many). > My question is this: I saw two versions of Underworld's album. > One was the normal $13 or so and had all the normal songs on it. The > other was $21 and had Born Slippy and Nuxx on it as well (on another CD). > However, on this single I bought, Nuxx is written after most of the Born > Slippy versions. Is it a separate song or a version of Born Slippy? And > if I buy this $21 version of the Underworld album, will I just be > re-buying this single I got? As far as I know you will buy nothing new if you buy the 2CD 'Second Toughest...' Underworld released the original 'Born Slippy' a while ago and this one sounded very different to the 'Born Slipp.NUXX'. The original single has three tracks/rmx's and it's very hard to get now (at least here in Germany...) These days Underworld re-released 'Pearl's Girl' which features the original mix of 'Born Slippy' + 'Tin There' from the Wipeout2097 game compilation Hope this will help...and all you UW-lovers can kick me if I mixed things up concerning Underwold and Born Slippy.....;-) Rgds, Andreas | A.DROBBNER at ElCafe, Hamburg | | andro@elcafe.com | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@capgemini.co.uk Subject: re:FSOL Date: 04 Apr 1997 12:09:32 BST > On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Anthony Agee wrote: >Somebody should get FSOL to tour the U.S. (have they ever?).They are very >dynamic...would be great to see live (then again, who would I NOT like to > see live?) Maybe the Spice Girls :) > What I understand (and I could be wrong) is that FSOL never plays live. > They did the ISDN radio broadcasts instead of going live. In fact they > are very mysterious individuals who rarely (if ever?) do interviews. > for some reason that was the impression I had gotten... Can someone > confirm/deny any/all of this? thanky! Well....I tried writing to Brian Dougans when he was known as "Humanoid" way back in ...god knows .... But it was when he released the original "Stakker Humanoid" and that dodgy album of his with "Cry Baby" and that on. Anyway....i got a dirty photo-copied "We are underground and all that" and "we will never want a fan following". Looks like this has changed. I emailed them last year and sent them LOOPZ (as there was a review of DEAD CITIES in there) and got positive feedback. They tend to do interviews via email rather than personal interview...but over the last year they appear to be doing more and more tv/radio interviews. I saw them on a BBC2 documentary about the Internet and another on ITV to do with CYBER MUSIC! They have also been interviewed on Radio 1 a couple of times (including the ISDN afternoon). So i think the interview front is now a common one. As for playing live....they have done but Gary (gobby shite of the year - only joking ;) ) who tends to air his views on whatever the subject, stated that they prefer to do ISDN gigs. He also mentioned that he would be looking into doing visuals as well as the broadcast of music. So dont think we will see them doing gigs. Well ... i hope that has filled u in a bit :) BTW - Stakker Humanoid (Omen Mix) - classic old track. For the FSOL people out there get the album with the so-called various artists on (Yage, Humanoid, FSOL, Mental Cube)....if i could just remember the bloody title. Cheers Steve LOOPZ Price. Orbital Zine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 04 Apr 1997 12:15:39 GMT thingybob violently scrawled: >She's right... she's not a trendy raver like most you meet on these = lists. >She truly respects and enjoys the music. Please help this damsel in = distress. >I've tried, but she won't take my advice. Mybe you can.... (J/K Lauren) what the hell is this? "trendy raver"? listen mate...get a clue, OK? you are saying that ravers don't truly enjoy and respect the music and you are talking out of your arse. I'm not even gonna bother setting you straight - you're just not worth the effort. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marcin Pawelec Subject: Re: Orbitaless Organic Date: 04 Apr 1997 13:35:04 +0200 (MET DST) On Thu, 3 Apr 1997 KaisrSolze@aol.com wrote: > > BTW go out and buy "Accelerator" by FSOL if you dont already hae it > > I have Dead Cities and I don't really like it-the hard tracks are too > obvious, while the ambient tracks meander too much. Have I missed the point > of the album, or is FSOL always like this, or is this just a bad album, or > what? Is it worth getting some other FSOL album like Accelerator or > LifeForms even if I don't like Dead Cities? "Accelerator" is the first FSOL album and probably it's the reason this is so different then the rest. It's full of great club, dancy hits with "Papua New Guinea" - the greatest one. It was even used on some soundtrack but I can't remember name. The second - "Lifeforms" is already an ambient classic, chilling to the bone. For "ISDN" I have a term techno-jazz, in my view it fits well. And it is the most similar to "Dead Cities". First two albums are definitely worth buying so consider this. Bye for now, /\~~/\ /\~~/\ _ /~ ~\ _ "THE OWLS ARE NOT WHAT THEY SEEM..." _ /~ ~\ _ { \((*) (*))/ } { \((*) (*))/ } { | \/ | } Marcin Pawelec { | \/ | } ~~) (~~ ibd414pm@loqi.eti.pg.gda.pl ~~) (~~ `~~~~~~~~' csb083mp@cs-boglab.eti.pg.gda.pl `~~~~~~~~' ^^ ^^ Politechnika Gdanska ^^ ^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tzoukman@mathpool.uni-augsburg.de (Niko Tzoukmanis) Subject: Re: Global Communication Date: 04 Apr 1997 14:30:01 +0200 The address of Global Communication is http://www.ulp.co.uk (ulp is for Universal Language Productions) The GC CD is brilliant !! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aaron Murray Subject: RE: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 04 Apr 1997 09:24:01 -0600 i'm sure glad we dont have to see each other in person.. i honestly believe we would not hesitate to beat the living shit out of each other.. peace and love, everyone.. ;) aaron > thingybob violently scrawled: > > >She's right... she's not a trendy raver like most you meet on these > lists. > >She truly respects and enjoys the music. Please help this damsel in > distress. > >I've tried, but she won't take my advice. Mybe you can.... (J/K > Lauren) > > what the hell is this? "trendy raver"? listen mate...get a clue, OK? > you are saying that ravers don't truly enjoy and respect the music and > you are talking out of your arse. > > I'm not even gonna bother setting you straight - you're just not worth > the effort. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben_Camp@friendsbalt.org (Ben Camp) Subject: Re(2): Orbitaless Organic Date: 04 Apr 1997 10:40:19 -0700 as far as i can tell, Orbital played the organic festival in '96, at least that's what the articles on addicted to noise said.. i couldn't find anythign on the line-up for '97 organic festival.. or location/time for that matter.. if anyone has any web addresses for info on the '97 organic festival, please let me know ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "matt russell" Subject: Re: Underworld question Date: 04 Apr 1997 11:20:56 -0500 first of all, the $21 version has born slippy.nuxx and rez a version of cowgirl-when boiled down to base level. the single is remixes of nuxx not the original born slippy and apparently some of them sound like remixes of other underworld songs not nuxx. i recommend the single and the $13 version as rez is o.k. but not great ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Plump Subject: Re: Orbitaless Organic Date: 04 Apr 1997 08:55:13 -0800 (PST) On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Marcin Pawelec wrote: > "Accelerator" is the first FSOL album and probably it's the reason this is > so different then the rest. It's full of great club, dancy hits with > "Papua New Guinea" - the greatest one. It was even used on some soundtrack > but I can't remember name. Cool World. It was a mixed cartoon/live actor Hollywood flick. Never saw it, though. Michael Plump ++ plumpy@orbital.hurrah.com ++ plumpy@magic.hurrah.com "We are dancing right now, so not very much is being served at the moment." --orbital.hurrah.com webpage ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Plump Subject: un orbital---heaven's gate Date: 04 Apr 1997 09:11:26 -0800 (PST) Hey I just noticed that the Heaven's Gate site is back up... But it's rather hard to get into because of all the attention it's been getting. Have you brits heard about it? any way I put up a mirror at http://magic.hurrah.com/~plumpy/heavensgate/ which should be fairly easy to access. Some interesting stuff there. chiggy check it out... Michael Plump ++ plumpy@orbital.hurrah.com ++ plumpy@magic.hurrah.com "We are dancing right now, so not very much is being served at the moment." --orbital.hurrah.com webpage ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "decoy@globalserve.net" Subject: Re: Underworld question Date: 04 Apr 1997 13:03:59 -0500 A. Drobbner wrote: > > Brian A. Crawford wrote: > > > That brings up a question. I bought the Born Slippy single, and > > it is by far one of the best singles I've ever bought... it has several > > excellent versions of Born Slippy as well as two other great songs, and > > overall the whole album runs a whole buncha minutes (too lazy to check > > exactly how many). > > My question is this: I saw two versions of Underworld's album. > > One was the normal $13 or so and had all the normal songs on it. The > > other was $21 and had Born Slippy and Nuxx on it as well (on another CD). > > However, on this single I bought, Nuxx is written after most of the Born > > Slippy versions. Is it a separate song or a version of Born Slippy? And > > if I buy this $21 version of the Underworld album, will I just be > > re-buying this single I got? > > As far as I know you will buy nothing new if you buy the 2CD 'Second > Toughest...' > > Underworld released the original 'Born Slippy' a while ago and this > one sounded very different to the 'Born Slipp.NUXX'. The original single > has three tracks/rmx's and it's very hard to get now (at least here in > Germany...) > > These days Underworld re-released 'Pearl's Girl' which features the > original mix of 'Born Slippy' + 'Tin There' from the Wipeout2097 > game compilation > > Hope this will help...and all you UW-lovers can kick me if I mixed > things up concerning Underwold and Born Slippy.....;-) > > Rgds, > Andreas > ----------------------------------- > | A.DROBBNER at ElCafe, Hamburg | > | andro@elcafe.com | > ----------------------------------- a few simple words for people trying to buy back catalogues for underworld, U.S.A. these 3 cd singles are still available:dirty epic/cowgirl:dirty epic(dirty guitar mix)10:00 dirty epic(dirty mix)11:14 dirty epic(album mix)9:56 cowgirl(irish pub in kyoto mix)11:45 cowgirl(winjer mix)6:25 cowgirl(album version)8:29 rez9:55 river of bass6:26 born slippy:born slippy.NUXX " .NUXX,DEEP PAN " .NUXX,DARREN PRICE MIX " .NUXX,DARREN PRICE REMIX " .NUXX,[short.] dark + long,[DARK TRAIN.] banstyle .[ALEX REECE MIX] pearl's girl:pearl's girl[tin there] " [14996 version] puppies oich oich cherry pie pearl's girl[edit] pearl's girl[album version] mosiac deep arch there is a website that is available for waxtrax/tvt(the label these appear on in the us),but i am unsure of whether or not they have an email address on not besides, i hear they are arrogant asses to deal with somaybe i could pick these up for you if you want. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KryptonD Subject: Re: reply from a stunted bloody 4-year old Date: 04 Apr 1997 22:52:24 +-400 alexpm@ropnet.ru wrote: >What Jungle scene do you mean? And it is stronger then where? May be >then in Russia?... What do you have against Russia? I live in Moskow (capital of Russia) and=20 we have Bukems, Goldies, Grooveriders, Hypes, Omni Trios, Remarks, Deep Blues, Harmonies, Fabios, Shy Fx's,Guys called Gerald, Ed Rushes etc every week or so.=20 Do you think we listen only to M. Jackson, fuck him. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Whenever anyone starts labelling music, they're always attacked by = people who hate "categories", so to pre-empt any flames, the following = are *not* categories, they're just terms used to identify common musical = characteristics and traditions. :-) =20 \\\\\|||||||////// <...><...> _________KrYpToN_____________ \ L / >>>krypton@dol.ru<<< =20 \ =3D=3D / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rich" Subject: Halcyon Live Date: 04 Apr 1997 20:06:55 +0100 Does anyone know of an MP3 site that has the Live version of Halcyon on it (with JBJ and BC samples). I am thinking of (reluctantly) buying the new version of Insides with the new Bonus CD and want to know if it is worth getting. Any help is much, much appreciated! Thanks in Advance Richard E-Mail:- mellor1@proweb.co.uk Home Page:- http://www.proweb.co.uk/~mellor1/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. TAYLOR" Subject: RE: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 04 Apr 1997 14:05:25 -0700 (MST) On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Aaron Murray wrote: > i'm sure glad we dont have to see each other in person.. i honestly > believe we would not hesitate to beat the living shit out of each > other.. peace and love, everyone.. ;) > > aaron > That's what the shows are for, Orbital will probably be slightly bewildered at the Mosh Pit made up of their most brillant fans tackling each other and smashing each others faces in the floor screaming,"Goldie kicks Prodigy's ass,ow" "No they don't dweebus take this." They may even commit suicide like Cobain out of duress at their fan pool, so we'd better behave better than Beevis and butthead befor we get thrown off the tourbus for farting.-R. > > > thingybob violently scrawled: > > > > >She's right... she's not a trendy raver like most you meet on these > > lists. > > >She truly respects and enjoys the music. Please help this damsel in > > distress. > > >I've tried, but she won't take my advice. Mybe you can.... (J/K > > Lauren) > > > > what the hell is this? "trendy raver"? listen mate...get a clue, OK? > > you are saying that ravers don't truly enjoy and respect the music and > > you are talking out of your arse. > > > > I'm not even gonna bother setting you straight - you're just not worth > > the effort. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tsee Subject: Re: un orbital---heaven's gate Date: 04 Apr 1997 15:35:38 -0800 yeah...they have 39 new openings...will provide free black Nike's...previous alien abduction a plus.... >Hey I just noticed that the Heaven's Gate site is back up... > >But it's rather hard to get into because of all the attention it's been >getting. Have you brits heard about it? > >any way I put up a mirror at >http://magic.hurrah.com/~plumpy/heavensgate/ >which should be fairly easy to access. Some interesting stuff there. >chiggy check it out... > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Michael Plump ++ plumpy@orbital.hurrah.com ++ plumpy@magic.hurrah.com >"We are dancing right now, so not very much is being served at the moment." > --orbital.hurrah.com webpage > > > \ \ | / / (o o) ---------------------o00o--( )--o00o----------------------- ETX, Trent See Occassionally, I can be found wandering around in Worlds Chat as user "Trent". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Deng Subject: Re: Orbital In Miami Date: 04 Apr 1997 11:48:03 -0600 (CST) Do you really think "Toward the Unknown Region" is his best work? Although it appears to be a lot more dark than some of his earlier stuff, it seems to suffer from a kind of similar sound. Maybe this is good, but it all sounds way too alike to me. Personally, "Strange Cargo 2" and "Strange Cargo 3" are far better works. Have you picked up his new album "Hinterland"? If you like "Toward the Unknown Region" you'll probably like this one (but it has a lot of contributors -- moreso than his previous works). Either way, Water from a Vine Leaf has got to be one of the greatest songs ever recorded. Now if only he could make his Madonna remixes sound like that ... J On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Matthew Hurtgen wrote: > I have seen the brothers perform live twice and they are awesome. > Their first show at Paragon on Miami Beach was very intimate with an > excellent vibe. The one in December at Ft. Lauderdale's The Theater was > sonic history. I got to meet Paul after the show 'cause I saw him walking > around when everyone was leaving. He was very cool and even asked ME > questions. Orbital has created some of my favorite sounds of all time. We > all know they are the shit. Sorry I don't have time to send you a copy of > the 110 and 90 minute mix tapes spanning all releases except the new In > Sides 2nd disk that I just made. > Do yourself the biggest favor in the world and pick up a copy of > Torch Song's "Toward The Unknown Region" LP. William Orbit IS THE BEST > COMPOSER IN THE UNIVERSE. > What's up , Miami? Love to all, > Lightfinger@Compuserve.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anthony Agee" Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 04 Apr 1997 19:55:43 -0600 > what the hell is this? "trendy raver"? listen mate...get a clue, OK? > you are saying that ravers don't truly enjoy and respect the music and > you are talking out of your arse. Mr. Toddy, things are different in America than they are overseas, ok? Groups of "club kids" pollute dance floors, looking like a bunch of clowns in their outfits, and they could give a shit if they're listening to 2 Unlimited or Autechre. Personally, I don't care about them unless they make it difficult to get close to the stage. After thinking about this......there is another reason why I'll welcome electronic music becoming popular....it will piss off the club kids to see joe schmo showing up to the concerts, etc. stupid pretentious asses. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian A. Crawford" Subject: Re: un orbital---heaven's gate Date: 04 Apr 1997 21:27:29 -0500 (EST) On Fri, 3 Apr 1998 Orbital@pacbell.net wrote: > I couldnt help wondering but wasnt "Some where out there" about > aliens??? DO they have anything to do with believeing? death cults? Kind > of makes you wonder... I think that believing that in this HUGE universe of ours, we are the only planet that supports life, is somewhat unrealistic--I'm sure that there is life SOMEwhere else in the universe, of some sort or another. This doesn't, of course, mean that I will go join a cult and kill myself --these two beliefs are totally unrelated! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. TAYLOR" Subject: Re : Are We Here Date: 04 Apr 1997 13:03:44 -0700 (MST) > > Pretty nice dancey happy version. Must be that you brits got gypped, cuz > > its on my American version... All six of them are. > > CD5: 1994 US (ffrr; 697-120047-2) > 7:30 Who Are They? > 8:36 Are We Here? (oral mix) > 10:17 What Was That? > 9:54 Are We Here? (lunasol wet mix) > 3:51 Industry Standard? ["Industry Standard Edit"] > 4:12 Are We Here? (the edit) > > CD5: 1994 UK (Internal; LIECD 15 / 857707-2) [slim jewelbox] > 7:37 Who Are They? > 5:16 Do They Here? > 8:43 They Did It > 10:17 What Was That? > 3:59 Criminal Justice Bill? [intentionally silent] > 3:47 Industry Standard? > What's the diff. between the Are We Here lunasol mix and edit and the Do They Here and They Did It songs on the UK version. Being lazy I haven't checked my Orbital CDs to see if either of the UK versions are on a different US release so he, he, Are they? Randarian. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Zahir" Subject: the fat of the lad? Date: 04 Apr 1997 22:09:33 -0500 hey so the prodgiy's new album is called 'The Fat Of The Lad' weird! :) but hey it hits the stores in Canada on June 2nd earthling ((( zahir--> zahir@globalserve.net ))) (( ... in our sight, Miss Moneypenny...)) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian A. Crawford" Subject: Re: Orbitaless Organic Date: 04 Apr 1997 15:53:16 -0500 (EST) On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Marcin Pawelec wrote: > "Accelerator" is the first FSOL album and probably it's the reason this is > so different then the rest. It's full of great club, dancy hits with > "Papua New Guinea" - the greatest one. It was even used on some soundtrack > but I can't remember name. 'Cool World'... a terrible movie but a great soundtrack, with songs from FSOL, Moby, Ministry and Brian Eno, as well as a great techno song by... Thompson Twins????? It's true, pretty interesting stuff! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FishyT99@aol.com Subject: Re: aphex twin - debating... Date: 05 Apr 1997 00:06:11 -0500 (EST) The RDJ album is like nothing I've ever heard before from RDJ, under any of his names....if there's a music store near you that allows it, try to get in a listen before you buy it. As always, it takes some getting used to, but is extremely addictive once you start listening. If you like his previous efforts, though, I'd definitely recommend it. --Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FishyT99@aol.com Subject: Re: FSOL Date: 05 Apr 1997 00:15:35 -0500 (EST) In a message dated 97-04-04 07:19:39 EST, you write: << For the FSOL people out there get the album with the so-called various artists on (Yage, Humanoid, FSOL, Mental Cube)....if i could just remember the bloody title. >> Since Steve can't remember, I'll tell ya the name--it's called Earthbeat...very hard to find, at least here in the States. BTW, I tried to send this to the list earlier, but it didn't seem to make it....one of my friends claims to have heard a Front 242 track remixed by Underworld...is this true? if so, which track did they remix? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dxford@earthlink.net" Subject: Re: FSOL Date: 05 Apr 1997 00:01:50 -0800 FishyT99@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-04-04 07:19:39 EST, you write: > > << For the FSOL people out there get the album with the so-called various > artists on (Yage, Humanoid, FSOL, Mental Cube)....if i could just remember > the bloody title. > >> > Since Steve can't remember, I'll tell ya the name--it's called > Earthbeat...very hard to find, at least here in the States. > > BTW, I tried to send this to the list earlier, but it didn't seem to make > it....one of my friends claims to have heard a Front 242 track remixed by > Underworld...is this true? if so, which track did they remix? The name of the track is "happiness (underworld mix)". As a matter of fact there was a video for it on AMP last week. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: Re: un orbital---heaven's gate Date: 05 Apr 1997 09:44:03 +0100 Orbital@pacbell.net wrote.... >I couldnt help wondering but wasnt "Some where out there" about >aliens??? DO they have anything to do with believeing? death cults? Kind >of makes you wonder... > I saw 2 P Hartnoll's get beamed up by a load of dancing Greys, what's worse Phil had 666 written across his chest in blood. Paul was holding a slaughtered mad cow, which he threw into the watching croud - he never stopped laughing. God it was scary. -- Mark S-D Please remove the *no spam* from my address when using reply. Thankyou. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: Re: shy FSOL Date: 05 Apr 1997 09:58:31 +0100 aPpLesEeD wrote.... > The less I know about Gary Cobain, the better. Everytime I've read an >interview he's been represented as pretty damn far up his own arse and >highly critical of other people's music, I used to have this impression. On all the recent ISDN's I've heard he seems alright now, perhaps he still thinks the same but he tries not to offend...who knows. Whatever, I don't mind him so much now. He is trying to find something powerfull and which will influence people. I don't mind that so long as he's trying to do something which in the end sounds good. > in the true tradition of the >techno genius "I don't listen to anyone else's stuff 'cos it's all shit" >attitude that could be applied to half a dozen other artists- notably >that guy that drives an armour car. Aphex ? A lot of artists are not "normal". :) FSOL have said they just use whatever they want, they listen to loads of stuff but it's not all what you would think of as techno, I should think they like it. I'm not here to defend FSOL as such, Gary's talked a lot of bollocks in the past I think. I forgive him !! (Dead cities is great I think.) > After hearing the first track, "On >Earth", on his solo project Woob (em:t 1194) CD on the t:me recording >label, this is almost forgivable, but nonetheless it doesn't change the >fact that he appears to be a arrogant prick. LOL. Yeah, I've said this myself. Some of the interviews I've read it is like....oh my god, what planet are you on. But, Gary admitted that his ways were a bit unhealthy, it's possible to listen to him now. He's alright really. Never heard anything said by the other one though. -- Mark S-D Please remove the *no spam* from my address when using reply. Thankyou. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: aphex twin - debating... -Reply Date: 05 Apr 1997 08:43:38 -0600 The new album is NOT anything like track12 on I Care... It's very frantic and erratic, but it is pretty good. On Milk Man and a few other tracks he sings("I would like some milk from the milk man's wife's tits). His lyrics are wacky and funny. I would reccomend that you try and find it used so you can get it cheaper. It's not for everyone. By the way, I saw the video for "Ventolin" on Amp last nite. Very cool. Ventolin is a brand of inhaler (which I use as a matter of fact) and the inhaler a a key factor in the video. That song is very hard to listen to though, because of that constant high-pitched noise in the background. Logan@cryogen.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Micah Subject: Front242 Date: 05 Apr 1997 09:56:11 -0500 FishyT99@aol.com wrote: > BTW, I tried to send this to the list earlier, but it didn't seem to make > it....one of my friends claims to have heard a Front 242 track remixed by > Underworld...is this true? if so, which track did they remix? i don't have any mixed by Underworld, but the Religion single (which is wonderful) has 2 mixes by orb, 2 by prodigy,andy wallace, and 3 by J.G. Thirlwell. -- http://home1.gte.net/annai mailto:annai@gte.net `this is our new s=ong just like th last one a total w.a.s.t.e. of time.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: Underworld question -Reply Date: 05 Apr 1997 08:59:13 -0600 Where do you live that the Born slippy single cost $13? i GOT IT at Best Buy for $5. The version I have has 7 tracks on it. Born slippy nuxx is actually the name of the song (I have no idea what Nuxx is,though). They have three other albums: dubnobasswithmyheadman, second toughest in the infants, and the Pearl's Girl Ep, all of which I highly recommend. These guys are awesome, they have such a range of styles and are very prolific also. They also do a lot of remixes for other bands. Check out their website for more info http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~tremblay/main.html Hope I could be of some help. Feel free to mail me if you have any more questions. Logan@cryogen.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: Re: Underworld question -Reply Date: 05 Apr 1997 09:08:14 -0600 I have the Pearl's Girl EP and Born Slippy is not on it(of course, I have the U.S version). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Richard Puryear" Subject: Re: dc Date: 05 Apr 1997 10:34:13 -0500 On Apr 1, 7:17pm, ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk wrote: > Subject: Re: dc > > [ text/plain > Encoded with "quoted-printable" ] : > >what genre of techno would you classify orbital's IN SIDES as? it's so > > ALL Orbital and similar acts are what I call "intelligent techno" > I don't like it when people call Orbital "techno" coz to me, techno is > the stuff played by DJs like Mark EG or 3DOM...CJ Bolland is also a > good example of a techno DJ...though most of his own music is > intelligent techno. Make sense? well it does to me. > ======== ======= ====== ====== === === > ========= ========= ======= ======= === === > === === === === === === === ===== > === === === === === === === === > === ========= ======= ======= === > === ======= ====== ====== === >-- End of excerpt from ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk I call Orbital's IN SIDES as artistic electronica. The reason I say this is Orbital's use of "Classical" forms and theories throughout. Let's take THE BOX for instance. First, it is a four movenet piece (Like most symphonies)the d.'n'b is highly remanicent of the Basso continuo of the Baroque era. The music is in Sonata form (Typical Classical era, Mozarts favorite form), It's programmatic and has the emotions and feeling of the romatic era. Put all of this together and you have a work of art that takes the best of all the "classical" genres (That have been the most popular types of music for over 400 yrs) and puts it into the technology of today. I feel that this why THE BOX and the rest of the IN SIDES cd is so popular. I have never seen so many people want to know so much about one song. it's amazing. -- Jason Puryear ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: Front242 -Reply Date: 05 Apr 1997 11:40:34 -0600 it is true, I saw the video for it last night. It was very cool, but I don't remember the name of the song. Does anyone else know about this? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Micah Subject: Re: Underworld question -Reply Date: 05 Apr 1997 13:20:28 -0500 Mike Ash wrote: > > Where do you live that the Born slippy single cost $13? i GOT IT at Best > Buy for $5. i believe he was talking about second toughest... > They have three other albums: dubnobasswithmyheadman, second > toughest in the infants, and the Pearl's Girl Ep, no, pearl's girls is an EP like it states, though i have heard a romour of an album before `dubnobass...' that is vinyl and/or cassette only... and since there so much talk here are the singles i have... Born Slippy TVT 8731-2 underw orld: born slippy underw orld: .NUXX underw orld .TEL EMATIC Born Slippy TVT 8745-2 born slippy .NUXX born slippy .NUXX, DEEP PAN born slippy .NUXX, DARREN PRICE MIX born slippy .NUXX, DARREN PRICE REMIX born slippy .NUXX [short] dark + long [DARK TRAIN] banstyle [ALEX REECE MIX] Born Slippy 74321 39599-2 made in germany 2cd disc 1 born slippy .NUXX [short] born slippy .NUXX [NUXXMIX] born slippy .NUXX, DARREN PRICE REMIX disc 2 born slippy .NUXX DARREN PRICE remix 2 born slippy .NUXX, DEEP PAN banstyle [ALEX REECE MIX] Pearl's Girl 74321376812 made in the ec 2cd disc 1 pearl's girl [short] 03.50 oich oich 08.31 cherry pie 08.21 disc 2 pearl's girl [carp dreams...koi] 10.05 mosaic 05.00 deep arch 08.24 and i seem to have misplaced my domestice pearl's girl but i'm sure someone else can post it... hope this helps, and sorry for the non-orbital content -- http://home1.gte.net/annai mailto:annai@gte.net `this is our new s=ong just like th last one a total w.a.s.t.e. of time.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: Re: Underworld question -Reply -Reply Date: 05 Apr 1997 12:56:42 -0600 They have two albums prior to dubnobass... But they are pop/rock albums and the music is nothing like what they are doing now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Rowan" Subject: All things FSOL(inc. Woob?) Date: 05 Apr 1997 19:41:32 +0100 > Hey, > > I love the first song of lifeforms(can't remember the name). I have the > video, but I can't find the song that is on the video on the trak marked > for it. Is it just way into the song, or is the video a deadly remix. > Hey m8, you must be talking about Cascade - this has to be one of the most psychedelic pieces of music ever written - you should try and find the Cascade EP - its got a longform of Cascade spread over 5 trax, and the 6th track is the one on the video - absolutely unreal. The version on Lifeforms is missing that harpy/harsichordy bit (c'mon you know it deh deh deh deh, deh deh etc.), which is a bit of a pity. >After hearing the first track, "On >Earth", on his solo project Woob (em:t 1194) CD on the t:me recording >label, this is almost forgivable, but nonetheless it doesn't change the >fact that he appears to be a arrogant prick. On hearing that this was his solo project, I went out and bought Woob 1194 when I was in the States. I think its fucking mind-blowing, but it says on the sleeve "all trax written and produced by paul frankland" and there is no mention of Gary Cobain, unless he's changed his name...I also heard that Woob played live somewhere, thats definitely not his style... Can anyone shed any light on this? About Accelerator, I'd say its the weakest FSOL album. Dont get me wrong, its a very good album as it stands, but its style is so far-removed from Lifeforms onward, that it is really not a FSOL album in the sense of FSOL as they are today. Actually, I'm surprised Lifeforms wasnt released under Amorphous Androgynous, since Tales of Ephidrena is like a bridging point between dancey Accelerator, a very 1992-style album, and ambient Lifeforms. It seemed like A.A. was a moniker for the more ambient direction they would be taking...if you like the more recent FSOL, Accelerator might come as a bit of a disappointment, I know a few people who were turned off FSOL as a result, which is a bit stupid, I know. "Familiar faces milling round like cars on a slimy street look across the tables they're there in the piss stained bars -make me believe I'm not going to die for that I'll gladly give you something" Andy, (listening to On Earth right now) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Rowan" Subject: Re: dc Date: 05 Apr 1997 19:40:36 +0100 >I classify it as "Spacey sinth techno" >The term "intelligent techno" is much much broader Oh, for crying out loud, this genre debate is getting ridiculous -"Spacey Sinth Techno"?. What would people do if they went to their local choonstore and were confronted with a new rack that bore this title? Probably laugh and throw things at the unfortunate staff...hows about I make up a new genre -"bleepy floaty organo-techno" , exemplified by the likes of whatever youre having yourself... OK, I know thats a bit absurd, but this genre lark is a bit out of control...Categorization of music is useful to a point,eg you go out looking for some mellow ambient, you dont want to come home with Jeff Mills or Dillinja. But I have a suspicion that there is an element of snobbery to all this: "ooh look at me, I know (or have invented) at least fifty sub-categories of techno, therefore I'm the sole authority on everything techno-related" Maybe I'm just irritable today. Damn it, I'm sick of receiving aggressive mails on this list, I probably shouldnt send this and contribute to the mayhem... Just relax and listen to the music, without getting flustered about whether its this or that. "Familiar faces milling round like cars on a slimy street look across the tables they're there in the piss stained bars -make me believe I'm not going to die for that I'll gladly give you something" Andy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Politimy Nicolaou Subject: Re: Orbitaless Organic Date: 05 Apr 1997 11:36:51 -0800 Brian A. Crawford wrote: > > On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Marcin Pawelec wrote: > > > "Accelerator" is the first FSOL album and probably it's the reason this is > > so different then the rest. It's full of great club, dancy hits with > > "Papua New Guinea" - the greatest one. It was even used on some soundtrack > > but I can't remember name. > > 'Cool World'... a terrible movie but a great soundtrack, with > songs from FSOL, Moby, Ministry and Brian Eno, as well as a great techno > song by... Thompson Twins????? It's true, pretty interesting stuff! ______ You know the Thompson Twins are now reincarnated techno, and called "Babble," right? I understand that they have put out some pretty good stuff (I can only speak for the 2 songs I have heard, and liked) I believe the second album is better than their first. :), TN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hobo Bojo Man Subject: Re: Front242 -Reply Date: 05 Apr 1997 15:09:47 -0500 (EST) On Sat, 5 Apr 1997, Mike Ash wrote: > it is true, I saw the video for it last night. It was very cool, but I don't > remember the name of the song. Does anyone else know about this? > The Underworld remixes I have of Front 242 songs are on the Mut@ge Mix@ge remix album. They are: Happiness (dub mix) Happiness (dance mix) They are both very good in my opinion. The dance mix is kinda lush3.3 sty-lee (rather long and with distinct "movements" I guess you could call them) and the dub mix is like a slowed down version of the dance mix with a few more reverberating samples. I don't know if there are any more mixes by underworld (hell I don't even know if 242 is still together in some form) btw. On Mut@ge Mix@ge there are also 3 remixes by the orb Rhythm of Time (messengers of Neptune mix) Rhythm of Time (victor the cleaner) Crapage (the float or sink mix) The Rhythm of Time mixes are fantastic (I liked the original of the song very much) Messengers mix is very quiet and spacey with little bit of the Rhythm rhythm floating in and out. The victor mix can be found on the Rhythm single as well and is very dance oriented. The Crapage mix is very much like the two mixes on the Religion single (I didn't really like the ones one the single and I'm not too crazy about this one either) Later CP I am the terry cloth God!!!! cpark@osprey.unf.edu Bow down and wash with me!!!! djfly@faraday.ee.unf.edu cpark@resourcecenter.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Micah Subject: Babble Date: 05 Apr 1997 15:29:53 -0500 Politimy Nicolaou wrote: > > 'Cool World'... a terrible movie but a great soundtrack, with > > songs from FSOL, Moby, Ministry and Brian Eno, as well as a great techno > > song by... Thompson Twins????? It's true, pretty interesting stuff! > > ______ > You know the Thompson Twins are now reincarnated techno, and called > "Babble," right? I understand that they have put out some pretty good > stuff (I can only speak for the 2 songs I have heard, and liked) I > believe the second album is better than their first. > actually it was that soundtrack that got me into FSOL (but it was 2yrs until i found _anything_ by them....) granted it was a pretty bad movie but when they BLASTED `Sex on Wheels' out halfway through, it made the whole thing worth it.... and i wouldn't call Babble techno(but i'm not about to start up that _stupid_ genre thread again....) and it's only Alannah Currie and Tom Bailey now. i think that the second song on `ether' is one of the most beautiful ever (right up there beside `halcyon') bot albums are good, though i won't say wonderful; listen to them and make up your own mind (thoug i _do_ think they are worth listening to) i guess i'll stop my rambling now annai -- http://home1.gte.net/annai mailto:annai@gte.net `this is our new s=ong just like th last one a total w.a.s.t.e. of time.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Politimy Nicolaou Subject: Re: dc Date: 05 Apr 1997 12:27:01 -0800 Cudos, and thank you Andrew, for saying that. BTW, what is the below quote from, it sounds vaguely familiar. :), TN _________ Andrew Rowan wrote: > > >I classify it as "Spacey sinth techno" > >The term "intelligent techno" is much much broader > > Oh, for crying out loud, this genre debate is getting ridiculous -"Spacey > Sinth Techno"?. What would people do if they went to their local choonstore > and were confronted with a new rack that bore this title? Probably laugh > and throw things at the unfortunate staff...hows about I make up a new > genre -"bleepy floaty organo-techno" , exemplified by the likes of whatever > youre having yourself... > OK, I know thats a bit absurd, but this genre lark is a bit out of > control...Categorization of music is useful to a point,eg you go out > looking for some mellow ambient, you dont want to come home with Jeff Mills > or Dillinja. But I have a suspicion that there is an element of snobbery to > all this: > "ooh look at me, I know (or have invented) at least fifty sub-categories of > techno, therefore I'm the sole authority on everything techno-related" > > Maybe I'm just irritable today. > Damn it, I'm sick of receiving aggressive mails on this list, I probably > shouldnt send this and contribute to the mayhem... > Just relax and listen to the music, without getting flustered about whether > its this or that. > > "Familiar faces milling round like cars on a slimy street > look across the tables they're there in the piss stained bars > -make me believe I'm not going to die > for that I'll gladly give you something" > > Andy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian A. Crawford" Subject: Re: Underworld question -Reply Date: 05 Apr 1997 16:19:56 -0500 (EST) On Sat, 5 Apr 1997, Mike Ash wrote: > Where do you live that the Born slippy single cost $13? i GOT IT at Best > Buy for $5. Actually, it was the album that cost $13 and the album including a bonus disk that cost $21. The single did cost about $5 (which was definitely worth it). > Check out their website for more info > > http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~tremblay/main.html Cool... I'll have to do that :) Bri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Morpheus Subject: Re: aphex twin - debating... -Reply Date: 04 Apr 1997 14:25:39 -0800 I agree, I've never heard Aphex Twin before, and that song ruined my expectations for him. Are all of his songs like that? Mike Ash wrote: > > The new album is NOT anything like track12 on I Care... > It's very frantic and erratic, but it is pretty good. On Milk Man and a few > other tracks he sings("I would like some milk from the milk man's wife's > tits). His lyrics are wacky and funny. I would reccomend that you try > and find it used so you can get it cheaper. It's not for everyone. By the > way, I saw the video for "Ventolin" on Amp last nite. Very cool. Ventolin > is a brand of inhaler (which I use as a matter of fact) and the inhaler a a > key factor in the video. That song is very hard to listen to though, > because of that constant high-pitched noise in the background. > > Logan@cryogen.com -- Cya Morpheus Morpheus Productions: http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus Morpheus@xl.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: Re: aphex twin - debating... -Reply -Reply Date: 05 Apr 1997 16:04:11 -0600 No, not all of his songs are like that. He is quite good actually, and that is the only song of his which is damn near physically painfull to listen to. I thought my ears would start bleeding. I recommend I care Because You Do, just make sure to skip over track#5, and it is a damn good album. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reality Subject: Orbital Videos Date: 05 Apr 1997 16:35:44 -0600 (CST) The Orbital Videos that I know of are: The Box Are We Here Halcyon + On + On Lush 3.1 Are there any that I'm missing? PS: Does anyone know what the theme of the next Orbital album will be? Reality "...And you know they'll never find us, and they'll leave us alone, and if we just keep on talking then we'll still make it home." - Orbital, "The Box" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sean Subject: Re: aphex twin - debating... -Reply -Reply Date: 05 Apr 1997 17:44:48 -0500 (EST) with it being "painful" to listen to might actually be better than if not. aphex makes tracks that are near heaven sent. they may be hard to listen to at first but his tracks can make it. try classics, or in more ambient vein SAW II. sean accept less expect more s......e......a......n On Sat, 5 Apr 1997, Mike Ash wrote: > No, not all of his songs are like that. He is quite good actually, and that is > the only song of his which is damn near physically painfull to listen to. I > thought my ears would start bleeding. I recommend I care Because You > Do, just make sure to skip over track#5, and it is a damn good album. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FishyT99@aol.com Subject: Re: All things FSOL(inc. Woob?) Date: 05 Apr 1997 18:26:17 -0500 (EST) In a message dated 97-04-05 15:17:25 EST, you write: << if you like the more recent FSOL, Accelerator might come as a bit of a disappointment, I know a few people who were turned off FSOL as a result, which is a bit stupid, I know. >> Actually, I got Accelerator first, and Lifeforms almost turned me off to FSOL...of course, now Lifeforms is one of my favorites, but at the time, the huge change of style nearly made me swear to never buy another FSOL album again --Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FishyT99@aol.com Subject: Re: aphex twin - debating... -Reply -Reply Date: 05 Apr 1997 18:32:05 -0500 (EST) In a message dated 97-04-05 17:52:34 EST, you write: << Do, just make sure to skip over track#5, and it is a damn good album. >> You know, if you can manage to block out that annoying high-pitch whine, Ventolin's a pretty damn good song too. I don't have the single for it, but can anyone tell me if the remixes of Ventolin have that death whine in them? If so, I'll probably have to pass on the single.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mercury95@aol.com Subject: Re: Orbital Videos Date: 05 Apr 1997 18:48:39 -0500 (EST) > The Orbital Videos that I know of are: > > The Box > Are We Here > Halcyon + On + On > Lush 3.1 > > Are there any that I'm missing? > Missing The Saint. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emmet LeBlanc Subject: Re: aphex twin - debating... -Reply -Reply Date: 05 Apr 1997 17:13:32 -0800 (PST) At 06:32 PM 4/5/97 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-04-05 17:52:34 EST, you write: > ><< Do, just make sure to skip over track#5, and it is a damn good album. > >> >You know, if you can manage to block out that annoying high-pitch whine, >Ventolin's a pretty damn good song too. I don't have the single for it, but >can anyone tell me if the remixes of Ventolin have that death whine in them? > If so, I'll probably have to pass on the single.... > The remixes bear little or no resemblance to the regular version (or to each other), it's almost like 12 different songs (and some are very weird). That's a no, so yeah, get the single. --Emmet ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cl Subject: Re: aphex twin - debating... -Reply -Reply Date: 05 Apr 1997 19:37:39 -0600 FishyT99@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-04-05 17:52:34 EST, you write: > > << Do, just make sure to skip over track#5, and it is a damn good album. > >> > You know, if you can manage to block out that annoying high-pitch whine, > Ventolin's a pretty damn good song too. I don't have the single for it, but > can anyone tell me if the remixes of Ventolin have that death whine in them? > If so, I'll probably have to pass on the single.... the domestic of this has 12 mixes (import on warp-2cds/6 on each)including mixes by wagon christ, gentle people, cylob, and of course rdj himself. i think there is one or two that are close to the album edit and have that whine, but the rest are generally as good or better. wagon christ does a nice trip-hoppy number as well as some other mental mixes including a track of rdjs mom laughing through most of it. recommended if you like some of his more abrasive tracks. cl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IckSlap@aol.com Subject: Re: aphex twin - debating... -Reply -Reply Date: 05 Apr 1997 20:40:38 -0500 (EST) In a message dated 97-04-05 19:18:27 EST, you write: > You know, if you can manage to block out that annoying high-pitch whine, > Ventolin's a pretty damn good song too. I don't have the single for it, but > can anyone tell me if the remixes of Ventolin have that death whine in them? > If so, I'll probably have to pass on the single.... no. only the first remix on the aphex remix single (there are 2 formats, one with aphex remixes and one with outsider remixes) has the sound. The others are very obscure in comparison with that one track. There is a very good Cylob remix and a d'n'b mix by Luke Vibert that I think is very cool on the second single (12" is what I have, but it might be available on cds). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "decoy@globalserve.net" Subject: Re: Orbital Videos Date: 05 Apr 1997 20:43:50 -0500 Mercury95@aol.com wrote: > > > The Orbital Videos that I know of are: > > > > The Box > > Are We Here > > Halcyon + On + On > > Lush 3.1 > > > > Are there any that I'm missing? > > > > Missing The Saint. satan? possibly original version halycon edit version halycon full length cds version halycon promo live video version with belinda/jbjovi samples ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reality Subject: Re: Orbital Videos Date: 05 Apr 1997 20:16:02 -0600 (CST) There's a Halcyon Live video with the JBJ and Belinda Carlyle samples in it!?!?! Whoa! On Sat, 5 Apr 1997, decoy@globalserve.net wrote: ["]Mercury95@aol.com wrote: ["]> ["]> > The Orbital Videos that I know of are: ["]> > ["]> > The Box ["]> > Are We Here ["]> > Halcyon + On + On ["]> > Lush 3.1 ["]> > ["]> > Are there any that I'm missing? ["]> > ["]> ["]> Missing The Saint. ["]satan? possibly original version ["]halycon edit version ["]halycon full length cds version ["]halycon promo live video version with belinda/jbjovi samples ["] Reality "...And you know they'll never find us, and they'll leave us alone, and if we just keep on talking then we'll still make it home." - Orbital, "The Box" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "E. Roach" Subject: New to the List Date: 05 Apr 1997 19:44:24 -0800 (PST) Hoi. I'm quite new to this list. I'm hoping there's just as much a sense of family between you guys and the one on the nwraves mailing list. Anyhow, i just wanted to say hello and introduce myself. oh, and feel free to visit what's exisitant on my page right now, i've only been working on it for about a week but i need critique and suggestions ;) http://www3.uplex.net/~erin *kisskiss* your loverly fisken Erin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "E. Roach" Subject: New to the List Date: 05 Apr 1997 19:44:24 -0800 (PST) Hoi. I'm quite new to this list. I'm hoping there's just as much a sense of family between you guys and the one on the nwraves mailing list. Anyhow, i just wanted to say hello and introduce myself. oh, and feel free to visit what's exisitant on my page right now, i've only been working on it for about a week but i need critique and suggestions ;) http://www3.uplex.net/~erin *kisskiss* your loverly fisken Erin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anthony Agee" Subject: Re: Orbital Videos Date: 05 Apr 1997 21:44:34 -0600 Hey, what does The Saint video look like? BTW, the movie is doing horribly stateside. Terrible reviews and empty theaters. >"...And you know they'll never find us, and they'll leave us alone, and if >we just keep on talking then we'll still make it home." > > - Orbital, "The Box" No offense, but quoting Orbital should be illegal. Lyrics are inane and really make P&P look shitty. One bar of Orbital's music speaks volumes more than all lyrics in any of their songs, in my humble opinion. hifi@kcnet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Geoffrey Jutzy Subject: Re: Cibo Matto Date: 05 Apr 1997 21:18:39 -0800 (PST) Hey, is Cibo coming to the West coast any time soon? On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, damien a. haussling wrote: > Went to see Cibo Matto at 930 club in DC last Saturday, they were > rreally fun!. You guys might have seen their vid on "AMP" or > "120 Minutes" awhile ago, called "Sugar Water". > > Orb's playing 930 in April or May... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Flynn Subject: Re: dc Date: 07 Apr 1997 15:48:03 +1000 I totally agree that Orbital's later stuff is leaning to the classical, and away from the pop/rock style os music. I had exactly the same reaction to "Out There Somewhere". It's like a concerto or a symphony, with its different movements. I must also say that I find this word "electronica" irritating. Only because I first encountered it in the mainstream press, where a whole lot of record company execs were saying that grunge was dead, and that "electronica" could be the next big thing. As a category, it seems like a real corporate tool. However the categorisation game is so entrenched, especially in electronic/dance genres that I guess I'll just have to get used to it. jf At 10:34 AM 4/5/97 -0500, you wrote: > I call Orbital's IN SIDES as artistic electronica. The reason I say this >is Orbital's use of "Classical" forms and theories throughout. Let's take THE >BOX for instance. First, it is a four movenet piece (Like most symphonies)the >d.'n'b is highly remanicent of the Basso continuo of the Baroque era. The Home Email: jjf@matra.com.au Work Email: jonathan.flynn@sbs.com.au WWW: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jjf "...we want the finest wines known to humanity!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Micah Subject: Re: aphex twin - debating... -Reply -Reply Date: 06 Apr 1997 01:41:02 -0500 FishyT99@aol.com wrote: > > You know, if you can manage to block out that annoying high-pitch whine, > Ventolin's a pretty damn good song too. I don't have the single for it, but > can anyone tell me if the remixes of Ventolin have that death whine in them? > If so, I'll probably have to pass on the single.... i actually really like that song...the first time i listened to it i had the volume really loud and i was right between the speakers...it drove me insane but i _LOVED_ it. its very seldom that someone uses sucha an annoying noise. most of the mixes don't have that noise i was really surprised that the album version did (since all trackes on the single are listed as mixes..and i got it long before i got the album)there's a cool sample of his mom laughing (that i actually think is the most annoying noise ever put out by RDJ) but in general the mixes are diverse enough that it doesn't really sound like a single (besides it's 12 tracks) hope this helps annai -- http://home1.gte.net/annai mailto:annai@gte.net `this is our new s=ong just like th last one a total w.a.s.t.e. of time.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "decoy@globalserve.net" Subject: Re: Orbital Videos Date: 06 Apr 1997 01:44:10 -0500 Reality wrote: > > There's a Halcyon Live video with the JBJ and Belinda Carlyle samples in > it!?!?! Whoa! > > On Sat, 5 Apr 1997, decoy@globalserve.net wrote: > > ["]Mercury95@aol.com wrote: > ["]> > ["]> > The Orbital Videos that I know of are: > ["]> > > ["]> > The Box > ["]> > Are We Here > ["]> > Halcyon + On + On > ["]> > Lush 3.1 > ["]> > > ["]> > Are there any that I'm missing? > ["]> > > ["]> > ["]> Missing The Saint. > ["]satan? possibly original version > ["]halycon edit version > ["]halycon full length cds version > ["]halycon promo live video version with belinda/jbjovi samples > ["] > > > Reality > > "...And you know they'll never find us, and they'll leave us alone, and if > we just keep on talking then we'll still make it home." > > - Orbital, "The Box" yes available with the "trupak12" promotional kit. i am led to beleive that there were roughly 500 sets made. i have one of them. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Hurtgen Subject: Re: Global Communication Date: 06 Apr 1997 03:31:17 -0400 Global Communication has an excellent "retranslation of the Chapterhouse album, Blood Music" called Blood Music:Pentamerous Metamorphosis released in 1993 on Dedicated. It is 61:15 and is total ambient freshness. The third track, Gamma Phase, is one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard. Track two starts with a sample of C-3p0 so you know it's gotta be good. It sounds nothing like the Chapterhouse album. It is "composed from the cells of blood music." Lightfinger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joona =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=94yh=94nen?= Subject: Re: aphex twin - debating... -Reply -Reply Date: 06 Apr 1997 09:12:18 At 16.04 5.4.1997 -0600, you wrote: >No, not all of his songs are like that. He is quite good actually, and that is >the only song of his which is damn near physically painfull to listen to. = I >thought my ears would start bleeding. I recommend I care Because You >Do, just make sure to skip over track#5, and it is a damn good album. #5 - Is it Ventolin? I love Ventolin! joona p=F6yh=F6nen Orbital feloc Future Sound Of London jp@clinet.fi Autechre Aphex Twin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dxford@earthlink.net" Subject: Re: Orbitaless Organic Date: 06 Apr 1997 00:37:57 -0800 Politimy Nicolaou wrote: > > Brian A. Crawford wrote: > > > > On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Marcin Pawelec wrote: > > > > > "Accelerator" is the first FSOL album and probably it's the reason this is > > > so different then the rest. It's full of great club, dancy hits with > > > "Papua New Guinea" - the greatest one. It was even used on some soundtrack > > > but I can't remember name. > > > > 'Cool World'... a terrible movie but a great soundtrack, with > > songs from FSOL, Moby, Ministry and Brian Eno, as well as a great techno > > song by... Thompson Twins????? It's true, pretty interesting stuff! > > ______ > You know the Thompson Twins are now reincarnated techno, and called > "Babble," right? I understand that they have put out some pretty good > stuff (I can only speak for the 2 songs I have heard, and liked) I > believe the second album is better than their first. > > :), > > TN just so you know the former Thompson Twins didnt just start doing electronic music, theyve been working as Babble for some time now, long before it became such the "in" thing for musicians to do. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dxford@earthlink.net" Subject: Re: aphex twin - debating... -Reply -Reply Date: 06 Apr 1997 00:43:42 -0800 sean wrote: > > with it being "painful" to listen to might actually be better than if not. > aphex makes tracks that are near heaven sent. they may be hard to listen > to at first but his tracks can make it. try classics, or in more ambient > vein SAW II. > sean > > accept less expect more > s......e......a......n > > On Sat, 5 Apr 1997, Mike Ash wrote: > > > No, not all of his songs are like that. He is quite good actually, and that is > > the only song of his which is damn near physically painfull to listen to. I > > thought my ears would start bleeding. I recommend I care Because You > > Do, just make sure to skip over track#5, and it is a damn good album. > > SAW vol II wasnt all it was cracked up to be. I heard it after hearing some of the other older Aphex stuff and returned the album back to where I got it( my job ). I Care... and RDJ are very good examples of how versatile and talented Richard is with analogs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Albert Rivera Subject: Don't wanna start Rumors (orbital & organic) Date: 06 Apr 1997 00:59:52 -0800 Well, My sister heard on the super WORLD FAMOUS KROQ (some lamo L.A. Radio Station) that Orbital and Prodigy are both going to be at Organic 97 and the L.A. is going to be around late July. She heard this from KROQ and she also heard this from a Warner Brothers Rep at her job. Sounds too good to be true so I'm waiting for some confirmation on this one. later, ajay (I'm using my friends email account) ssharma@odc.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cornelius Subject: Technopalooza? Date: 06 Apr 1997 03:27:25 -0700 (PDT) I've now heard a rumour from 2 people about some sort of tour that supposed to hit 20 cities in the States with Orb, Orbital, Prodigy and someone else (Chemical Brothers I think). I hope this is true, because THE ORB CANCELLED THE SEATTLE SHOW WHICH I HAD TICKETS TO (sob), and I really would like to see them again. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Re: un orbital---heaven's gate Date: 06 Apr 1997 14:04:18 GMT >I saw 2 P Hartnoll's get beamed up by a load of dancing Greys, what's >worse Phil had 666 written across his chest in blood. Paul was holding a >slaughtered mad cow, which he threw into the watching croud - he never >stopped laughing. God it was scary. what the hell are you on about? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Subject: Future Sound of Paris ? Date: 06 Apr 1997 16:33:41 +0100 I was browsing thru a record shop the other day when I saw a CD called "Future Sound of Paris" - any relation to FSOL? :-) Seriously though...does anybody know what this is like or is it just another crap compilation cash-in? -- Tim | | "Not now, Tiger...." "Why not?...Yeah..." | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Adamson" Subject: Re: Impact vocal snippets Date: 06 Apr 1997 17:50:43 +0100 I think the vocals (crying!) on Impact are MC Tea Bag (of Mega Dog fame), he's always making kind of wierd noise's like that at live shows, (they sound pretty cool sometimes). I may be wrong on this, but he's credited for them on the back cover of Diversions. Could anyone confirm this? -Chris noela@globalnet.co.uk http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~noela/main.htm ---------- > From: aPpLesEeD > To: orbital@xmission.com > Subject: Re: Impact vocal snippets > Date: 04 April 1997 08:40 > > In his post about "Orbital web page - Radio1 Tonite (UK)", Tim asks: > > > Does anybody know about what the (crying?) sound on approx 4th minute > > of Impact (Brown and Satan Live) is?. I can't figure out whether it is a > > machine or some one dying. I am sick of telling people who hear it in > > my car/house and ask what it is, that I don't know. > > I remember reading somewhere that the Brothers Hartnell sampled this > from an obscure French sci-fi film (and presumably, the "cry for > survival" bit comes from this too.) If memory serves, they wouldn't > 'fess up to it's title when pressed, probably because of issue of > uncleared samples once discussed on this list some moons ago. > -- > geNerATION K: Because everything is wrong ..... except the apple. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: *thee dark star thief Subject: Re: Global Communication/Link Date: 06 Apr 1997 13:22:09 -0400 (EDT) someone mentioned link as an altrer ego of g.c. - i've only heard the one link song on artificial intelligence II but i think that song is amazing... do link have an album? *jim ***************"MTV makes me want to smoke crack" - Beck**************** * * * "do your dreams replay the past? * * if not, what do your dreams forecast?" * * "every man and woman is a star tonight" - mbm * * * * "i'll be the sky above the ganges/i'll be the vast and stormy sea" * * -REM "be mine" * * * ****-the rainbow mindbath:http://www.netsync.net/users/jbriggs/jim3/**** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anthony Agee" Subject: Re: Don't wanna start Rumors (orbital & organic) Date: 06 Apr 1997 13:55:22 -0500 > My sister heard on the super WORLD FAMOUS KROQ (some lamo L.A. Radio > Station) that Orbital and Prodigy are both going to be at Organic 97 and > the L.A. is going to be around late July. > > She heard this from KROQ and she also heard this from a Warner Brothers Rep > at her job. Sounds too good to be true so I'm waiting for some > confirmation on this one. Organic isn't going to be an L.A.-only event again this year is it? Damn....I don't want to have to fly out there again! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FishyT99@aol.com Subject: Re: Orbital Videos Date: 06 Apr 1997 16:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Everyone also seemed to miss the vids for Belfast and Belfast/Wasted.....for whoever asked, the Saint vid starts out w/a black screen showing this lil atom orbit-y thing, then switches to the stick-figure Saint, and then goes to 9 screens simultaneously...i still haven't figured out what's really goin on in the screens tho --matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FishyT99@aol.com Subject: Re: Impact vocal snippets Date: 06 Apr 1997 16:31:25 -0400 (EDT) You're right about MC Teabag getting credit on Diversions...I'd always assumed that he was on Impact USA, since all the other vocals on that album were pretty much taken straight from the original Lush --Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: -Niall C Christie- Subject: Orbital live Date: 06 Apr 1997 22:40:31 +0100 (BST) What do Orbital play live? Do they vary wildly each time or do they stick roughly to a certain set (eg Chime, Satan, Lush, Halcyon)? <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> << Niall C Christie >> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> <<>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mindub808@aol.com Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 06 Apr 1997 17:41:15 -0400 (EDT) You must obviously feel threatened by my remark. Are you "trendy" yourself? Hmmm? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mindub808@aol.com Subject: Re: Future Sound of Paris ? Date: 06 Apr 1997 18:01:55 -0400 (EDT) That CD has nothing to do with FSOL... it has everything to do with the burgeoning house scene in Paris. It includes tracks by Daft Punk, Motorbass, La Funk Mob, Air, Dmitri from Paris, etc... It is very disco-influenced, jazz-tinged, deep house stuff. Highly recommended... if that's what you are into. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Morpheus Subject: Re: Orbital Videos Date: 05 Apr 1997 16:14:08 -0800 I saw that video too. I thought it was kind of boring. The idea was cool, but if there was more going on in the screens, it would be better. I did notice that some of the screens were linked to each other, which was kinda neat. FishyT99@aol.com wrote: > > Everyone also seemed to miss the vids for Belfast and Belfast/Wasted.....for > whoever asked, the Saint vid starts out w/a black screen showing this lil > atom orbit-y thing, then switches to the stick-figure Saint, and then goes to > 9 screens simultaneously...i still haven't figured out what's really goin on > in the screens tho > > --matt -- Cya Morpheus Morpheus Productions: http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus Morpheus@xl.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian A. Shillito" Subject: New Orbital album for the UK! Date: 06 Apr 1997 23:32:34 +0100 The new Orbital album being released on 21/04/97 is 'In Sides'. I can only assume it's the same as the American vewrsion, with 'the Saint', however, Virgin cannot confirm if this is true and I don't know if it has the live version of 'Halcyon'. As I remember from the Orbital gig at the Royal Albert Hall, the live version of 'Halcyon' was mega cool! This has been an E-Mail from Ian A. Shillito - Who Then Now, Bitches? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "michelle." Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 06 Apr 1997 16:30:49 -0700 (MST) ** You must obviously feel threatened by my remark. Are you "trendy" yourself? ** Hmmm? oh man... could we please not get into a debate about trendocity? heh... michelle (just no one.) -- -- - -- --- - ---- and you finally found all your courage to let it all go.. .O> Subject: Re: New Orbital album for the UK! Date: 07 Apr 1997 00:52:16 +0100 I don't think the new release will be Insides, there is a new import version available now with bonus CD Saint, Halcyon live etc. From what I've heard the album will be new material, it was previewed this thurs on radio 1, but unfortunately I missed it! :( Did anyone else catch the show? See Ya. Chris noela@globalnet.co.uk http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~noela/main.htm ---------- > From: Ian A. Shillito > To: Orbital > Subject: New Orbital album for the UK! > Date: 06 April 1997 23:32 > > The new Orbital album being released on 21/04/97 is 'In Sides'. I can > only assume it's the same as the American vewrsion, with 'the Saint', > however, Virgin cannot confirm if this is true and I don't know if it has > the live version of 'Halcyon'. As I remember from the Orbital gig at the > Royal Albert Hall, the live version of 'Halcyon' was mega cool! > > This has been an E-Mail from Ian A. Shillito - Who Then Now, Bitches? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Re: Impact vocal snippets Date: 07 Apr 1997 00:11:31 GMT : >I think the vocals (crying!) on Impact are MC Tea Bag (of Mega Dog = fame), >he's always making kind of wierd noise's like that at live shows, >(they sound pretty cool sometimes). >I may be wrong on this, but he's credited for them on the back cover >of Diversions. >Could anyone confirm this? it is MC Tea Bag, does he do the "cry for survival" bit as well, it sounds like his voice to me. why does he wear skirts? =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mindub808@aol.com Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 06 Apr 1997 22:29:25 -0400 (EDT) He started it. :-P ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "damien a. haussling" Subject: Re: Underworld question -Reply -Reply -Reply Date: 06 Apr 1997 22:33:35 -0400 Just for the hell of it, I would like to see if I copuld get a copy of these... Anybody have any idea how? >>They have two albums prior to dubnobass... But they are >>pop/rock >>albums and the music is nothing like what they are doing now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "damien a. haussling" Subject: Re: Cibo Matto -Reply Date: 06 Apr 1997 22:51:13 -0400 Dunno... >>Hey, is Cibo coming to the West coast any time soon? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "decoy@globalserve.net" Subject: Re: Underworld question -Reply -Reply -Reply Date: 07 Apr 1997 00:46:34 -0400 damien a. haussling wrote: > > Just for the hell of it, I would like to see if I copuld get a copy of > these... > > Anybody have any idea how? > > >>They have two albums prior to dubnobass... But they are > >>pop/rock > >>albums and the music is nothing like what they are doing now. still available through germany ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cornelius Subject: Technopalooza (me answering my own question)RE: Re: CHemical Brothers, Orb, Orbital concert dates (fwd) Date: 07 Apr 1997 00:19:06 -0700 (PDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Newsgroups: alt.music.techno In article <3344bd4e-fburton@bcpl.lib.md.us>, nowhere@no.net says... >has this been confirmed?? Yes it has. It's based on last years Organic Festival at Snow Summit and this year it's gonna be a 20 city tour. Orb, Orbital, Underworld, MBM, Chemicals and Prodigy will most likely me the final line-up. Dates and final line-up are not confirmed but the tour itself is. -- ****Notable NEW Releases**** Panacea - Low Profile Darkness Squarepusher - Vic Acid (EP) Rubber Johnny - Jamrolypoly (EP) The Sea and the Cake - The Fawn Bettie Serveert - Dust Bunnies ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@capgemini.co.uk Subject: re:The Saint to go TOP 3 Date: 07 Apr 1997 8:36:45 BST Its officially released today. SALES Pre-sales are about 160,000 copies! Doesnt mean that they will all be sold this week though. THE COMPETITION Blur and that Levis ad! They are the only 2 that really threat the Bald ones :) Numero 3 maybe then. OTHER STUFF The imports of the 3 track Saint cd have also lowered the chances of Orbital first number one. It was also previewed on Going Live on BBC1 which is a kiddies saturday morning show. I was shocked as well ! The promo prints have also had to go to the cleaners as the proposed piccy of 2 Saint stickmen playing pool whilst the 2 barmen (strangly looking like a bald duo) had infringed the copyright. The stickmen had got the infamous shiney torch lights but this breached the copyright of the "Saint" logo hence the re-shuffle. The picture looks well kewl (dont it Mick!). There is also one at a Roulette wheel :) Also because of this copyright over 140 t-shirts cannot be sold! - I have 3 hopefully coming my way :) Think thats all. Ill update more stuff on the website. Sample page will change in a weeks time to rare/live stuff. Any requests ? Cheers Steve LOOPZ Price ORbital Zine. Loopz website (its case sensitive) - http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Uglesich Subject: Organic Fest Date: 07 Apr 1997 04:05:33 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------55B675F5448 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organic is confirmed but the tour dates haven't been. Here's the MTV press release which lists Prodigy, Chem Bros, The Orb and Orbital on the bill. http://www.mtv.com/news/headlines/970326/story2.html --------------55B675F5448 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="story2.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="story2.html" Prodigy, Chemical Brothers, Orb Set For Organic Fest [PRODIGY] March 26 [7:55 EST] -- British techno dance band The Prodigy will hit the road this summer as the headliner on the Organic festival tour. The event, being dubbed a techno-Lollapalooza, will also feature the Chemical Brothers (Live QuickTime, 500k), Orbital, and The Orb. This extravaganza of electronica aims to hit [CHEMICAL BROTHERS] 20 major U.S. cities from July to September, playing both indoor and outdoor venues. Just last week, The Prodigy postponed a tour that was to launch next month, so it could finish work on "Fat Of The Land," its first album under its new multi-million dollar deal with Madonna's Maverick Records label. When dates for the Organic tour are finalized, we'll pass them along. For more on the Chemical Brothers, The Prodigy and Orbital, check out the MTV News Gallery. [To Headlines] --------------55B675F5448-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Arash Mohebbi Subject: Re: Future Sound of Paris ? Date: 07 Apr 1997 18:14:09 +1000 At 04:33 PM 4/6/97 +0100, you wrote: >I was browsing thru a record shop the other day when I saw a CD called > "Future Sound of Paris" - any relation to FSOL? :-) doubt it:) > Seriously though...does anybody know what this is like or is it just > another crap compilation cash-in? Yeah prolly:) I mean once you see "the future sound of Jazz" and the "Future sound of Lounge", you can honestly say its a crap attempt to cash in:) Arash / Jagshuan / Moomintroll Mah heart's crammed in mah Cranium, an it still knows how to pound... Fat Frank ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Arash Mohebbi Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 07 Apr 1997 18:15:20 +1000 > oh man... could we please not get into a debate about trendocity? Uh, Huh, huhh uhu huhuh huh: SHe said trendocity:) huh hhuh:) what a word:) Arash / Jagshuan / Moomintroll Mah heart's crammed in mah Cranium, an it still knows how to pound... Fat Frank ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reality Subject: Way Out West Date: 07 Apr 1997 03:34:08 -0500 (CDT) Has anyone heard any Way Out West? Are they worth looking into? Reality "...And you know they'll never find us, and they'll leave us alone, and if we just keep on talking then we'll still make it home." - Orbital, "The Box" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reality Subject: Way Out West Date: 07 Apr 1997 03:34:08 -0500 (CDT) Has anyone heard any Way Out West? Are they worth looking into? Reality "...And you know they'll never find us, and they'll leave us alone, and if we just keep on talking then we'll still make it home." - Orbital, "The Box" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reality Subject: Re: Technopalooza (me answering my own question)RE: Re: CHemical Brothers, Orb, Orbital concert dates (fwd) Date: 07 Apr 1997 03:34:50 -0500 (CDT) That's one hell of a lineup! On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Cornelius wrote: ["] ["] ["]---------- Forwarded message ---------- ["]Date: 4 Apr 1997 19:04:19 GMT ["]From: Persinthia Lawdro ["]Newsgroups: alt.music.techno ["]Subject: RE: Re: CHemical Brothers, Orb, Orbital concert dates ["] ["]In article <3344bd4e-fburton@bcpl.lib.md.us>, nowhere@no.net says... ["] ["]>has this been confirmed?? ["] ["]Yes it has. It's based on last years Organic Festival at Snow Summit and this ["]year it's gonna be a 20 city tour. Orb, Orbital, Underworld, MBM, Chemicals ["]and Prodigy will most likely me the final line-up. ["] ["]Dates and final line-up are not confirmed but the tour itself is. ["] ["]-- ["]****Notable NEW Releases**** ["] ["]Panacea - Low Profile Darkness ["]Squarepusher - Vic Acid (EP) ["]Rubber Johnny - Jamrolypoly (EP) ["]The Sea and the Cake - The Fawn ["]Bettie Serveert - Dust Bunnies ["] ["] ["] Reality "...And you know they'll never find us, and they'll leave us alone, and if we just keep on talking then we'll still make it home." - Orbital, "The Box" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reality Subject: Re: Technopalooza (me answering my own question)RE: Re: CHemical Brothers, Orb, Orbital concert dates (fwd) Date: 07 Apr 1997 03:34:50 -0500 (CDT) That's one hell of a lineup! On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Cornelius wrote: ["] ["] ["]---------- Forwarded message ---------- ["]Date: 4 Apr 1997 19:04:19 GMT ["]From: Persinthia Lawdro ["]Newsgroups: alt.music.techno ["]Subject: RE: Re: CHemical Brothers, Orb, Orbital concert dates ["] ["]In article <3344bd4e-fburton@bcpl.lib.md.us>, nowhere@no.net says... ["] ["]>has this been confirmed?? ["] ["]Yes it has. It's based on last years Organic Festival at Snow Summit and this ["]year it's gonna be a 20 city tour. Orb, Orbital, Underworld, MBM, Chemicals ["]and Prodigy will most likely me the final line-up. ["] ["]Dates and final line-up are not confirmed but the tour itself is. ["] ["]-- ["]****Notable NEW Releases**** ["] ["]Panacea - Low Profile Darkness ["]Squarepusher - Vic Acid (EP) ["]Rubber Johnny - Jamrolypoly (EP) ["]The Sea and the Cake - The Fawn ["]Bettie Serveert - Dust Bunnies ["] ["] ["] Reality "...And you know they'll never find us, and they'll leave us alone, and if we just keep on talking then we'll still make it home." - Orbital, "The Box" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Taylor Subject: Re: Technopalooza (me answering my own question)RE: Re: CHemical Date: 07 Apr 1997 07:35:03 -0600 That's cool! It's about time the "big boys" jumped on the band wagon. There has been a "SynthPopaloosa" tour, the past 3 years here in the with the smaller US synth bands.. For more details, check out http://control.alt.delete.net/ trance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Young" Subject: Organic Festival - 1997 Date: 07 Apr 1997 09:35:42 -0500 Recent Press Release -- Concerning Organic Festival It's Confirmed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : >has this been confirmed?? : : Yes it has. It's based on last years Organic Festival at Snow Summit and this : year it's gonna be a 20 city tour. Orb, Orbital, Underworld, MBM, Chemicals : and Prodigy will most likely me the final line-up. : : Dates and final line-up are not confirmed but the tour itself is. robo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aaron Murray Subject: RE: un orbital---heaven's gate Date: 07 Apr 1997 09:36:37 -0500 what, they dont have sarcasm in the UK? > >I saw 2 P Hartnoll's get beamed up by a load of dancing Greys, what's > >worse Phil had 666 written across his chest in blood. Paul was > holding a > >slaughtered mad cow, which he threw into the watching croud - he > never > >stopped laughing. God it was scary. > > what the hell are you on about? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Adamson" Subject: Death in Vegas Date: 07 Apr 1997 15:40:00 +0100 What is Death in Vegas like? are they any good? The reason I ask is they are playing support for the Chemical Brothers when I go to see them next week in Newcastle. I nearly bought their album last week, but as I hadn't heard any of their stuff I wasn't sure! Cheers Chris noela@globalnet.co.uk http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~noela/main.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Adamson" Subject: The New Chems Album Date: 07 Apr 1997 15:36:15 +0100 Just picked up the new Chemical Bros Album, its brilliant stuff Better than thier first album, they now have more of a developed style. I recommend it to anyone, even if you didn't like the first album it's still worth a listen as it's totally different in style, they have tended to go away from their original breakbeat (or what ever you call it) style. Also when I was in HMV I noticed the price of Diversions has come down to £9.99, thats a bastard coz I bought it 2 weeks ago at £15, well I suppose that's just life! See Ya. Chris noela@globalnet.co.uk http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~noela/main.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joona =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=94yh=94nen?= Subject: Re: Technopalooza (me answering my own question)RE: Re: Date: 07 Apr 1997 15:52:35 At 00.19 7.4.1997 -0700, you wrote: > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: 4 Apr 1997 19:04:19 GMT >From: Persinthia Lawdro >Newsgroups: alt.music.techno >Subject: RE: Re: CHemical Brothers, Orb, Orbital concert dates > >In article <3344bd4e-fburton@bcpl.lib.md.us>, nowhere@no.net says... > >>has this been confirmed?? > >Yes it has. It's based on last years Organic Festival at Snow Summit and this=20 >year it's gonna be a 20 city tour. Orb, Orbital, Underworld, MBM, Chemicals= =20 >and Prodigy will most likely me the final line-up.=20 > >Dates and final line-up are not confirmed but the tour itself is.=20 I=B4m going to Dublin in 26th of June for one month. We don=B4t have any famous visitors playing here in Finland so I was wondering will Dublin offer some cool live acts from Orbital, Orb or anything related? Any dates confirmed yet? joona p=F6yh=F6nen Orbital feloc Future Sound Of London jp@clinet.fi Autechre Aphex Twin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael_Nedeltscheff@northshore.k12.ny.us (Michael Nedeltscheff) Subject: Re: un orbital---heaven's gate Date: 07 Apr 1997 10:25:33 -0400 They don't have sarcasm because they are uppity bitches! Yeah thas right you smelly Brits! --Noodle This message sent using the FirstClass SMTP/NNTP Gateway for Mac OS. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@capgemini.co.uk Subject: re:Organic and Orbital Date: 07 Apr 1997 16:32:30 BST The word is... They aint playin.... Steve LOOPZ Price. Orbital Zine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Seamus (James) Swift" Subject: Re: un orbital---heaven's gate Date: 07 Apr 1997 16:36:54 +0100 > what, they dont have sarcasm in the UK? > If you checked the e-mail address you would see that was a UK person who was being sarcastic :-) I hate Mondays too.. :: \ Seamus (James) Swift | a.k.a. "whois" | For reply, send a self-abused :: / stomped antelope to whois@griffin.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wycliffe@mindspring.com Subject: Orbital midi Date: 07 Apr 1997 10:40:35 -0700 Anyone out there sort me out an Orbital midi? I created my own TetriNET theme but i can't find a descent midi anywhere,something by Orbital or along those lines would be great to have. Mick ^EA^ on us.undernet.org EFnet.org Tetrinet ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aaron Murray Subject: RE: un orbital---heaven's gate Date: 07 Apr 1997 11:40:22 -0500 ah... a Mac user.. you "brits" better watch out.. Mac users know smelly when they come across it, so he knows what he's talking about... aaron > They don't have sarcasm because they are uppity bitches! Yeah thas > right you > smelly Brits! > > --Noodle > This message sent using the FirstClass SMTP/NNTP Gateway for Mac OS. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aaron Murray Subject: RE: un orbital---heaven's gate Date: 07 Apr 1997 11:52:10 -0500 ahem.. i rest my case... > If you checked the e-mail address you would see that was a UK person > who > was being sarcastic :-) > > I hate Mondays too.. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rich" Subject: Re: The New Chems Album Date: 07 Apr 1997 17:51:36 +0100 I got the new Chems album today and it is brilliant - like you say - a lot better than the first one. Diversion in my Local HMV is currently £18.49!!!! what a rip!!!! I got it from a little shop in Nottingham for £7.99 - much more realistic. Richard E-Mail: mellor1@proweb.co.uk Home Page: http://www.proweb.co.uk/~mellor1/ ---------- > From: Chris Adamson > To: orbital@mail.xmission.com > Subject: The New Chems Album > Date: 07 April 1997 15:36 > > Just picked up the new Chemical Bros Album, its brilliant stuff > Better than thier first album, they now have more of a developed > style. I recommend it to anyone, even if you didn't like the first > album it's still worth a listen as it's totally different in style, > they have tended to go away from their original breakbeat > (or what ever you call it) style. > > Also when I was in HMV I noticed the price of Diversions has > come down to £9.99, thats a bastard coz I bought it 2 weeks > ago at £15, well I suppose that's just life! > > See Ya. > Chris > > noela@globalnet.co.uk > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~noela/main.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shaun Rader Subject: RE: Orbital web page - Radio1 Tonite (UK) Date: 07 Apr 1997 10:15:21 -0700 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC433C.A078C7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any information on what this 'uncovering' was? I'm curious.. thanks. 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Your money is worth over twice as much as mine, and I got Diversions for about $8.50 (Canadian). You must have paid just about 4 times as much. Are CDs normally very expensive over there? (That $8.50 was not the norm, but $15-20 is, so still). --Emmet ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "damien a. haussling" Subject: Technopalooza? -Reply Date: 07 Apr 1997 11:11:44 -0400 'Tis true, according to eMpTyV news, all are playing Organic this summer... >>ve now heard a rumour from 2 people about some sort of >>ur that >>pposed to hit 20 cities in the States with Orb, Orbital, >>Prodigy and >>Someone else (Chemical Brothers I think). I hope this >>is true, Prodigy will also be one of the headliners on the 8th annual 'HFeStival (all day festival) at RFK stadium in DC on May 31. 60,000+ tickets will be on sale soon, tickets for the last 3 years sold out the day they went on sale, last year and the year before they were gone in 2 hours. I will probably be going this year (I've gone every year since the first one in 1990). Anyone in the area (or not in the area even) wiht interest, email me privately and I'll tell you what to do... IT is also rumored that Prodigy may be on Lollapalooza this year, along with one of my favorite non-electronica weirdo bands: The Jon Spencer Blues Explosion.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: -Niall C Christie- Subject: Re: Death in Vegas Date: 07 Apr 1997 20:36:55 +0100 (BST) I wasn't too impressed with the album, I suppose it depends what you like but it didn't seem to really get anywhere for me. However, on the "Wired" compilation they have a song "Rocco" which is absolutely brilliant but totally different from the rest of their stuff - including the album version of the song. The Wired Rocco is quite dancy whereas the rest of their stuff is sort of like laid back guitar sort of stuff. In saying all that, I have only heard the album once so I could be totally wrong. (------- Niall C Christie -------) On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Chris Adamson wrote: > What is Death in Vegas like? are they any good? > The reason I ask is they are playing support for > the Chemical Brothers when I go to see them next > week in Newcastle. > I nearly bought their album last week, but as I > hadn't heard any of their stuff I wasn't sure! > > Cheers > > Chris > > noela@globalnet.co.uk > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~noela/main.htm > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Subject: Re: The New Chems Album Date: 07 Apr 1997 20:38:17 +0100 >Just picked up the new Chemical Bros Album, its brilliant stuff >Better than thier first album, they now have more of a developed >style. I recommend it to anyone, even if you didn't like the first >album it's still worth a listen as it's totally different in style, It's is good, although quite different from Orbital IMHO Well worth checking out all the same..... -- Tim - currently digging his own k-hole. "Why not?...Yeah..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Subject: Re: Death in Vegas Date: 07 Apr 1997 20:32:28 +0100 >What is Death in Vegas like? are they any good? >The reason I ask is they are playing support for >the Chemical Brothers when I go to see them next >week in Newcastle. >I nearly bought their album last week, but as I >hadn't heard any of their stuff I wasn't sure! At LAST!!! Somebody else knows about them!!! They're ok...."Rocco" is perfect for me - imagine The Verve and Chem Bruvz together, and your getting there....IMHO :) Some of the other stuff on the album is a bit too "out there" for my liking, and I think the LP got quite slated by the critics. - Not that I care about that. Have fun at the gig - wish I could be there....... -- Tim "Why not?...Yeah..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: brian.schutz@bbs.hal-pc.org Subject: RE: UN ORBITAL---HEA Date: 07 Apr 1997 15:20:39 Reply-To: orbital@mail.xmission.com ah... a Mac user.. you "brits" better watch out.. Mac users know smelly when they come across it, so he knows what he's talking about... aaron > They don't have sarcasm because they are uppity bitches! Yeah thas > right you > smelly Brits! > > --Noodle > This message sent using the FirstClass SMTP/NNTP Gateway for Mac OS. > I just find it amazing that there are actually people out there that use Crapple Whackintoshes -Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: *thee dark star thief Subject: aphex twin/beck Date: 07 Apr 1997 16:14:32 -0400 (EDT) i am in heaven now... on the 12" for beck's "new pollution"'s b-side there is a remix of "devil's haircut" called "richard's hairpiece"... fucking brilliant... *jim ***************"MTV makes me want to smoke crack" - Beck**************** * * * "do your dreams replay the past? * * if not, what do your dreams forecast?" * * "every man and woman is a star tonight" - mbm * * * * "i'll be the sky above the ganges/i'll be the vast and stormy sea" * * -REM "be mine" * * * ****-the rainbow mindbath:http://www.netsync.net/users/jbriggs/jim3/**** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Geoffrey Jutzy Subject: Re: Underworld question -Reply -Reply -Reply Date: 07 Apr 1997 14:49:24 -0700 (PDT) I really don't think you want to do that. Not to put down the great things that they are doing now, but those prior albums are really not that great. In my opinion they are actually really bad... I can't remember what they are called, but I listened to them once at the record store expecting to hear something similar to what I heard when I went to see trainspotting, and I was very very sorely dissapointed. Sorry to burst your bubble! Geoffrey Jutzy On Sun, 6 Apr 1997, damien a. haussling wrote: > Just for the hell of it, I would like to see if I copuld get a copy of > these... > > Anybody have any idea how? > > > >>They have two albums prior to dubnobass... But they are > >>pop/rock > >>albums and the music is nothing like what they are doing now. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Geoffrey Jutzy Subject: Re: Technopalooza (me answering my own question)RE: Re: CHemical Brothers, Orb, Orbital concert dates (fwd) Date: 07 Apr 1997 14:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Are tickets available as of yet? If not please keep us informed!! On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Cornelius wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: 4 Apr 1997 19:04:19 GMT > From: Persinthia Lawdro > Newsgroups: alt.music.techno > Subject: RE: Re: CHemical Brothers, Orb, Orbital concert dates > > In article <3344bd4e-fburton@bcpl.lib.md.us>, nowhere@no.net says... > > >has this been confirmed?? > > Yes it has. It's based on last years Organic Festival at Snow Summit and this > year it's gonna be a 20 city tour. Orb, Orbital, Underworld, MBM, Chemicals > and Prodigy will most likely me the final line-up. > > Dates and final line-up are not confirmed but the tour itself is. > > -- > ****Notable NEW Releases**** > > Panacea - Low Profile Darkness > Squarepusher - Vic Acid (EP) > Rubber Johnny - Jamrolypoly (EP) > The Sea and the Cake - The Fawn > Bettie Serveert - Dust Bunnies > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: Re: aphex twin - debating... -Reply -Reply -Reply Date: 07 Apr 1997 17:05:54 -0500 The video I saw for was a remix,i'm pretty sure, and think all of the versions of the song have that death whine in them. You r right though, if you take it out it is a damn good song. I don't know, Maybe he wanted it to be annoying... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Morpheus Subject: Re: The New Chems Album Date: 06 Apr 1997 16:01:25 -0700 hey man, and I thoug us in canada have it bad, i picked up my diversions cd for $6.99 at HMV. and the ratio between the pound and the dollar is what 1 dollar to 2.10 pounds. the only thing better about britain, is you get the disks first. > > > > Also when I was in HMV I noticed the price of Diversions has > > come down to £9.99, thats a bastard coz I bought it 2 weeks > > ago at £15, well I suppose that's just life! -- Cya Morpheus Morpheus Productions: http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus Morpheus@xl.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Morpheus Subject: Re: aphex twin - debating... -Reply -Reply -Reply Date: 06 Apr 1997 16:04:14 -0700 I think you're right. A song like that sticks in people's heads. just look at how much attention it has gotten on this list. that's gotta be good for sales. free advertising if you ask me. Mike Ash wrote: > > The video I saw for was a remix,i'm pretty sure, and think all of the > versions of the song have that death whine in them. You r right though, > if you take it out it is a damn good song. I don't know, Maybe he wanted > it to be annoying... -- Cya Morpheus Morpheus Productions: http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus Morpheus@xl.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: dc Date: 07 Apr 1997 17:12:20 -0600 (MDT) > I must also say that I find this word "electronica" irritating. Only > because I first encountered it in the mainstream press, where a whole lot > of record company execs were saying that grunge was dead, and that > "electronica" could be the next big thing. How long ago did the Beechwood Music "Electronica" compilations come out? It it three years or four now? -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: what the hell does BTW mean? Date: 07 Apr 1997 19:04:29 -0500 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rich" Subject: Re: what the hell does BTW mean? Date: 08 Apr 1997 02:28:06 +0100 By the way! as in: "By the way, did you hear about the three legged chimpanzee who went into a pub?" and I can't really tell you the punchline as it's too rude.... E-Mail: mellor1@proweb.co.uk Home Page: http://www.proweb.co.uk/~mellor1/ ---------- > From: Mike Ash > To: orbital@mail.xmission.com > Subject: what the hell does BTW mean? > Date: 08 April 1997 01:04 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: reelisti@gate.net Subject: Re: UN ORBITAL---HEA Date: 07 Apr 1997 21:13:02 -0500 What is this stupidity? Is this list existant now just so a bunch of childish, predjudiced people can insult each other? Seriously, what is the difference where a person comes from? Is it just jealousy over Orbital releases? Come on! I'm an American and I use a Macintosh and I see no reason to assault anyone who isn't American or who uses a different computer...especially on an Orbital mailing list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: reelisti@gate.net Subject: Re: Orbital Vids and Comments on the List Date: 07 Apr 1997 22:53:19 -0500 Morpheus wrote: > > I saw that video too. I thought it was kind of boring. The idea was > cool, but if there was more going on in the screens, it would be > better. I did notice that some of the screens were linked to each > other, which was kinda neat. > I thought the video was great! I loved the linked scenes- not only related to each other by events but by similar color schemes... the red relationships especially come to mind. I don't have the new Insides/Saint album yet, so I finally got to hear the full length song. Paul and Phil were given a chance to work on a track for a movie, and they totally accomplished what they set out to do! On the subject of the mailing list, I think my friend James made a similar comment before- I'm really disappointed with it. I keep debating whether or not to unsubscribe, although some good information comes along once in a while...I guess I'm just unhappy with some of the unintelligent, childish conversations and even fights people get into on the list. Also the fact that the same exact topics keep coming up like the missing track on Orb, the meaning of Dwr Budr, the fact that Orbital isn't going to be at Organic, etc.- but the repetitiveness, hopefully, is probably due to the large size of the list. I think the mailing list could be much better- an informative, intelligent atmosphere in which people, regardless of nationality, age, and computer preference, can talk about Orbital and argue the quality of their work, along with other related artists (influences, remixes, etc.) Maybe if each of us reconsider the purpose of the list and keep this in mind we can change...(sorry, if I sound to utopian). Thanks for reading, Ivy :) "Think we'll find any intelligent life out there?" "Who cares?" Meat Beat Manifesto ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Morpheus Subject: Re: UN ORBITAL---HEA Date: 06 Apr 1997 21:14:34 -0700 I agree. the raving society is supposed to be more open minded then others. this list is about orbital and other electronic groups and in no way a battle ground for immature people to insult each other. we all appreciate people's opinions. but sometimes people go beyond opinion. share your opinion, but keep it at an opinion and not an insult. besides, i'm sure most people on this list are getting pissed off over this shit. if you want to have modem wars, do in private mail. reelisti@gate.net wrote: > > What is this stupidity? Is this list existant now just so a bunch of > childish, predjudiced people can insult each other? Seriously, what is > the difference where a person comes from? Is it just jealousy over > Orbital releases? Come on! I'm an American and I use a Macintosh and I > see no reason to assault anyone who isn't American or who uses a > different computer...especially on an Orbital mailing list. -- Cya Morpheus Morpheus Productions: http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus Morpheus@xl.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: brian.schutz@bbs.hal-pc.org Subject: RE: UN ORBITAL---HEA Date: 07 Apr 1997 23:35:21 Don't take it so personally man. Yeah we all have our seperate opinions but most people just need to lighten up. Btw, can anyone give me some DIFINITIVE answers about Organic 97?? I need tour dates and such -Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "decoy@globalserve.net" Subject: Re: The Saint to go TOP 3 Date: 08 Apr 1997 00:39:10 -0400 steve.price@capgemini.co.uk wrote: > > Its officially released today. > > SALES > > Pre-sales are about 160,000 copies! Doesnt mean that they will all be sold > this week though. > > THE COMPETITION > > Blur and that Levis ad! They are the only 2 that really threat the Bald > ones :) Numero 3 maybe then. > > OTHER STUFF > > The imports of the 3 track Saint cd have also lowered the chances of > Orbital first number one. It was also previewed on Going Live on BBC1 > which is a kiddies saturday morning show. I was shocked as well ! > > The promo prints have also had to go to the cleaners as the proposed piccy > of 2 Saint stickmen playing pool whilst the 2 barmen (strangly looking > like a bald duo) had infringed the copyright. The stickmen had got the > infamous shiney torch lights but this breached the copyright of the > "Saint" logo hence the re-shuffle. The picture looks well kewl (dont it > Mick!). There is also one at a Roulette wheel :) > Also because of this copyright over 140 t-shirts cannot be sold! - I have > 3 hopefully coming my way :) > > Think thats all. Ill update more stuff on the website. Sample page will > change in a weeks time to rare/live stuff. Any requests ? > > Cheers > > Steve LOOPZ Price > ORbital Zine. > Loopz website (its case sensitive) - > http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa/ so, interested in trading for t-shirt? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Young" Subject: Re: what the hell does BTW mean? Date: 07 Apr 1997 21:16:06 -0500 by the way! ---------- : From: Mike Ash : To: orbital@mail.xmission.com : Subject: what the hell does BTW mean? : Date: Monday, April 07, 1997 7:04 PM : ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Gomes Subject: Re: Organic Date: 01 Apr 1997 18:28:02 -0800 hey, Yah I like some of the shit from planet dog. I taped a radio show which featured nothing but planet dog stuff. I don't know any group names, but it was a good mix > > probably would remain a dream but it's a nice thought... by the way anyone > here really into some of the planet dog groups like Banco de Gaia, > Timeshard, Future Loop Foundation, eat Static? sorry to waste everyone's > time with mostly non-orbital dreaming but oh well... > *jim -- Cya Morpheus Morpheus Productions: http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus Morpheus@xl.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Re: The Saint to go TOP 3 Date: 07 Apr 1997 17:34:24 GMT >Think thats all. Ill update more stuff on the website. Sample page will=20 >change in a weeks time to rare/live stuff. Any requests ? requests? OK, Chime & Omen b-sides. _________________ ______ ___________ ___ | / \| \| \ | | | |__ __| | | | |_| | | | | | | |\_ _/ | | | | | | | | |___| \______/|______/|______/ |___| =20 =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Morpheus Subject: cascadE Date: 06 Apr 1997 21:20:38 -0700 hey, I am thinking about buying an FSOL album and I am wondering which to buy. I am almost completely new to them. The only songs that I have heard is we have explosive and cascade (video version) and a few others which I am unaware of the names. I love the video version of cascade, it is one of the most beautiful songs around. I know it is on the cascade ep, but I live in canada, and finding eps is very hard. So i was wondering, if any of there other work is similar to the video version of cascade, and if there is, what album is it on. Mail me privately to prevent anger on the list since this has been a reoccuring topic on the list. thanx for any info, you may make a new fsol follower. -- Cya Morpheus Morpheus Productions: http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus Morpheus@xl.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Plump Subject: Re: are we here Date: 03 Apr 1997 10:00:28 -0800 (PST) On Thu, 3 Apr 1997 ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk wrote: > cannot be...OK I don't know anything about the technology of making > CDs and I would find such info excruciatingly boring. But on my CD, > the CD is not even written on where track 5 is, there's just a ring of > more shinyness and then a ring where track 6 is. I reckon, that the > only code written on that bit would be a message to the CD player to > "keep playing" rather than "stop coz you've reached the end of the CD" What are you guys talking about? My copy of Are We Here has a 5th track! I'm listening to it right now... it's the "Industry Standard Edit". Pretty nice dancey happy version. Must be that you brits got gypped, cuz its on my American version... All six of them are. Michael Plump ++ plumpy@orbital.hurrah.com ++ plumpy@magic.hurrah.com "We are dancing right now, so not very much is being served at the moment." --orbital.hurrah.com webpage ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sean Subject: RE: Liquid Adrenaline Date: 04 Apr 1997 17:02:19 -0500 (EST) ok so i should be shot. whatever that will prove is left to be found out contrary to popular belief, and i never thought id be th eone to bitch about off topic posts but there is a chemical brothers mailing list and maybe there is a place to talk about josh wink but last i heard they both made mediocre comprimise techno not even in the same realm as orbital. as far as saying mean people suck..... i can read a bumper sticked or the patch on a seventh grade skate chic ganstar's backpack. originality is th most important thing in the creation of music. any one can learn to splice up samples and program a sequencer, orbital just does it extremly well. it's sad that originality is comprimised for popularity and thats why chemical brothers and josh wink are shite. they are comprimise musicians playing to a comprimise audience. autechre=original richard james=orininal miles davis(bitches brew)=original namlook(FAX)=original orange botis=original sean why not SUCK MEAN PEOPLE accept less expect more s......e......a......n ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Fanno Subject: Re: un orbital---heaven's gate Date: 04 Apr 1997 15:04:25 -0800 (PST) At 01:48 PM 4/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >I couldnt help wondering but wasnt "Some where out there" about >aliens??? DO they have anything to do with believeing? death cults? Kind >of makes you wonder... > > I remember reading an interview shortly after In Sides came out, that in fact "OutThere Somewhere" is about a UFO traveling to earth and tooling around our beloved planet and the little green men inside visiting different people and then for some reason (depression?) they leave. Just your typical alien visitation song. Incidentally, when that song is performed live just near the moment when the two tracks merge there is an image of a very cool looking UFO swooping down on the brothers on stage. I know I believe in them, never seen one personally, I have seen some strange lights that I couldn't positively ID, but doubt they were UFO's, but one never knows-just keep an open mind. Our universe is way too big and we know so little about other dimensions and time travel and such that the possibility of being visited seems pretty high. Sorry for the ramble. Any of your Orbital fans heard "LC1"on the Satan (1st time) single, of course we can't forget "Are We Here" I also know that the Harntoll Brothers were blown away when "Star Wars" came out. It's piecing together now. LAte, Jeff Fanno THE LAW OF REPETITION- the more you see or hear something, the more it becomes a part of you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dxford@earthlink.net" Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 04 Apr 1997 23:39:13 -0800 Anthony Agee wrote: > > > what the hell is this? "trendy raver"? listen mate...get a clue, OK? > > you are saying that ravers don't truly enjoy and respect the music and > > you are talking out of your arse. > > Mr. Toddy, things are different in America than they are overseas, ok? > > Groups of "club kids" pollute dance floors, looking like a bunch of clowns > in their outfits, and they could give a shit if they're listening to 2 > Unlimited or Autechre. > > Personally, I don't care about them unless they make it difficult to get > close to the stage. > > After thinking about this......there is another reason why I'll welcome > electronic music becoming popular....it will piss off the club kids to see > joe schmo showing up to the concerts, etc. stupid pretentious asses. I hate club kids too. Lately I've been having alot of them and others asking me if I heard this " new music" thats being played on the radio and MTV. I just explain to them that this music is no where near new and they should have listened to guys like me who years ago was telling them about this music. I dont mind shows like AMP because it give me a chance to see the music I only before could hear and imagine but the drawback is that more people are being turned on to it and getting a bad perception as to what is really is. MTV made the whole situation worse by putting AMP on at 9 pm making this "new music" availible to all. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Great Corrhollio" Subject: Greetingz Date: 08 Apr 1997 14:16:33 +0300 (LDT) Hi all! #Subj# to all ya from Lithuanian tekknomuzik freaks... ;) I'm fresh(15min.) dude in this mailin list,so write me about whats goin on here..I could write some about techno culture in Lithuania or somfing... You can check up some sites about *.it: http://www-public.osf.lt/~bliznia/ http://www.elnet.lt/drumclub/ (under constuction butt already availiable).. PS:I'm proud of my English knowledge..:) Buy! -- ~VlasiD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Taylor Subject: Re: The New Chems Album Date: 08 Apr 1997 13:50:35 +0100 Chris Adamson wrote: > > Just picked up the new Chemical Bros Album, I recommend it to anyone, > even if you didn't like the first album Thanks for the tip, I wasn't sure after the first album, I may pop out and get it. > Also when I was in HMV I noticed the price of Diversions has > come down to £9.99, thats a bastard coz I bought it 2 weeks > ago at £15, DOH! -- Demand the establishment of the government in its rightful home at Disneyland. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Subject: Re: Orbital web page - Radio1 Tonite (UK) Date: 08 Apr 1997 14:18:22 +0100 "Shaun Rader" writes >Any information on what this 'uncovering' was? I'm curious.. thanks. > Either it was in the first ten minutes (unlikely) which I missed, or they lied (likely). There was nothing. Sorry. :( p.s what is your sig? - i can't work it out. The only thing noticable is that when I use my mailer (Turnpike) to save it, it calls the MIME "Attached" - reference to top tune? -- Tim "Why not?...Yeah..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "matt russell" Subject: original album Date: 08 Apr 1997 10:43:48 -0400 kestion(pronounced question)------ according to a discography i saw somewhere(i think it's nibble's) they claim that on the us version of the first album the versions of chime and midnight are original 12" mixes, now does this mean they sound like the original versions only longer or what? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Subject: Re: un orbital---heaven's gate Date: 08 Apr 1997 14:24:31 +0100 "Jeff Fanno" writes >Incidentally, when that song is performed live just >near the moment when the two tracks merge there is an image of a very cool >looking UFO swooping down on the brothers on stage. > I also know that the Harntoll Brothers were blown away when >"Star Wars" came out. It's piecing together now. > Have you ever noticed that when P+P are on stage with their light specs on they look like a couple of dancing Jawas (from Star Wars) - the little sand creatures with red eyes?. Or maybe not. "one toke over the line....." -- Tim "Why not?...Yeah..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben_Camp@friendsbalt.org (Ben Camp) Subject: ORB at 9:30 club!??!! Date: 08 Apr 1997 10:20:16 -0700 _PLEASE_ send me more info!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: strout@roch803.mc.xerox.com (Sean Strout) Subject: Re: ORB at 9:30 club!??!! Date: 08 Apr 1997 09:24:34 PDT The Orb Saturday, May 10th 9:30pm Nightclub 9:30, Washington, D.C. Tickets are $20. Can order through Pro-tix: 202-432-7328 or pick up at box office. It doesn't look like Chem Bros. will be opening up. -s. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: reelisti@gate.net Subject: Well- kinda Orbital Date: 08 Apr 1997 11:59:24 -0500 Morpheus wrote: > > I agree. the raving society is supposed to be more open minded then > others. this list is about orbital and other electronic groups and in no way a battle ground for immature people to insult each other. we all > appreciate people's opinions. but sometimes people go beyond opinion. share your opinion, but keep it at an opinion and not an insult. > besides, i'm sure most people on this list are getting pissed off over > this shit. if you want to have modem wars, do in private mail. > > Cya > > Morpheus This is the last I'm probably going to say on the subject, but it surprised me when people were posting insults about what kind of computer other people use- mentalities found in computer and business magazines, agents of the market economy. I was also surprised that Macs were being put down when the wonderful music we are here to discuss is made in part by a Macintosh (check out P&P's gear lists!). Thanks, Ivy reelisti@gate.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: un orbital (ish) --- heaven's gate Date: 08 Apr 1997 15:31:29 +0100 "Brian A. Crawford" wrote.... >On Fri, 3 Apr 1998 Orbital@pacbell.net wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^ Shit, have I been in a coma ? > >> I couldnt help wondering but wasnt "Some where out there" about >> aliens??? DO they have anything to do with believeing? death cults? Kind >> of makes you wonder... > Sorry about my sarcastic reply last time, I couldn't help it I was in a strange mood. This record is kind of about aliens, don't forget that it's 'Out there somewhere' with a '?' stuck on the end. They said that they made (at least part) of the record after seeing a documentary which was more about peoples "reaction" to the possibility of UFO's. Like how some people see the Greys as some sort of messiah or something like that - people seem desparate to believe sometimes. I don't know what they think of course, you can make of it what you want. > I think that believing that in this HUGE universe of ours, we are >the only planet that supports life, is somewhat unrealistic--I'm sure that >there is life SOMEwhere else in the universe, of some sort or another. Bound to be, I'm 100% sure - but even just plants might be light years off - we are very special in a relative way, IMHO. The universe constantly brings forth life, or at least the conditions to support it. If you don't believe that get a book on what happens when a star explodes, infact just get into cosmology it's f***ing great. :> > >This doesn't, of course, mean that I will go join a cult and kill myself >- --these two beliefs are totally unrelated! A bit of an insult to whatever forces created you if you did, and you'd most likely end up in another life without any Orbital records, cheesh what a nightmare, or you might come back as a dung beetle without a record player at all.....and no ears !!! Arrrghh ! No, I don't even want to consider it, bollocks to that. To get all this into perspective, I've never heard of Orbital being in any cults - if they are they keep it very very secret, they like 'cult movies' though - thats a start...(?) -- Mark S-D Please remove the *no spam* from my address when using reply. Thankyou. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Re: are we here Date: 08 Apr 1997 17:14:50 GMT >What are you guys talking about? My copy of Are We Here has a 5th = track! >I'm listening to it right now... it's the "Industry Standard Edit". >Pretty nice dancey happy version. Must be that you brits got gypped, = cuz >its on my American version... All six of them are. We have the real version, not the US version ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Re: are we here Date: 08 Apr 1997 17:14:50 GMT >What are you guys talking about? My copy of Are We Here has a 5th = track! >I'm listening to it right now... it's the "Industry Standard Edit". >Pretty nice dancey happy version. Must be that you brits got gypped, = cuz >its on my American version... All six of them are. We have the real version, not the US version ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben_Camp@friendsbalt.org (Ben Camp) Subject: Fwd: Re: Organic Festival - 1997 Date: 08 Apr 1997 12:25:33 -0700 ryoung@fortbendsvcs.com,Internet writes: Recent Press Release -- Concerning Organic Festival It's Confirmed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : >has this been confirmed?? : : Yes it has. It's based on last years Organic Festival at Snow Summit and this : year it's gonna be a 20 city tour. Orb, Orbital, Underworld, MBM, Chemicals : and Prodigy will most likely me the final line-up. : : Dates and final line-up are not confirmed but the tour itself is. robo Now.. someone PLEASE post the tour dates and locations!!! I'm buying tickets the day I find out!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shaun Rader Subject: RE: Orbital web page - Radio1 Tonite (UK) Date: 08 Apr 1997 10:27:06 -0700 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC4407.86DFB940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Either it was in the first ten minutes (unlikely) which I missed, or >they lied (likely). There was nothing. Sorry. :( Ouch, I was hoping for some more new material! >p.s what is your sig? - i can't work it out. The only thing noticable is >that when I use my mailer (Turnpike) to save it, it calls the MIME >"Attached" > - reference to top tune? Actually, I wasn't aware that. I don't really have a sig file other than . . . . . . . . . . . . . What you probably saw was the formatting for this message. I use Microsoft Outlook and it's supposed to send mail in different fonts and colors. 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Date: 08 Apr 1997 13:46:36 -0600 (CST) I understand the source of your frustration, but you are not helping things at all. Your point that the "new music" isn't new at all is correct, but it was probably new before you, too. I have no idea when you started listening to the "new music" but at some part it was new to you, just like it is new to the club kids. Who cares if AMP is on at 9 or anytime? Personally, I don't mind people requesting tunes I've heard a million times in a million incarnations but that is new to them. At least they are getting interested in a genre that is burgeoning with creativity instead of dead and bloated like many others. True, it is unfortunate that they are getting a "bad perception" of what the music is about, but this is compared to your perception (as all perceptions are exactly that -- the way an individual perceives something). I am certain all of us on this list have our own perceptions of this "new music" and the role it plays in our lives. And as far as hating someone because they have a different perception of this "new music", I will not even try to touch that subject. Suffice it to say that close-mindedness is the first step to oblivion. J On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, dxford@earthlink.net wrote: > I hate club kids too. Lately I've been having alot of them and others > > asking me if I heard this " new music" thats being played on the radio > > and MTV. I just explain to them that this music is no where near new and > > they should have listened to guys like me who years ago was telling them > > about this music. I dont mind shows like AMP because it give me a > > chance to see the music I only before could hear and imagine but the > > drawback is that more people are being turned on to it and getting a bad > > perception as to what is really is. MTV made the whole situation worse > > by putting AMP on at 9 pm making this "new music" availible to all. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: *thee dark star thief Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 08 Apr 1997 15:02:23 -0400 (EDT) come on... i really think elitist theory needs to go by the wayside in favour of the raving society... i used to think the same way as you guys... it still pisses me off when people are uneducated about something that i have taken the time and effort to be educated in... but rather than sneer and try to hide it, i take pride and deep satisfaction in the fact that i know better... this cooler-than-thou attitude, IMHO, has got to go... love the music, share it... if idiots like it, i'm sure they'll forget about it for the next big thing in a few months... my twodollars... *jim ***************"MTV makes me want to smoke crack" - Beck**************** * * * "do your dreams replay the past? * * if not, what do your dreams forecast?" * * "every man and woman is a star tonight" - mbm * * * * "i'll be the sky above the ganges/i'll be the vast and stormy sea" * * -REM "be mine" * * * ****-the rainbow mindbath:http://www.netsync.net/users/jbriggs/jim3/**** On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, dxford@earthlink.net wrote: > Anthony Agee wrote: > > > > > what the hell is this? "trendy raver"? listen mate...get a clue, OK? > > > you are saying that ravers don't truly enjoy and respect the music and > > > you are talking out of your arse. > > > > Mr. Toddy, things are different in America than they are overseas, ok? > > > > Groups of "club kids" pollute dance floors, looking like a bunch of clowns > > in their outfits, and they could give a shit if they're listening to 2 > > Unlimited or Autechre. > > > > Personally, I don't care about them unless they make it difficult to get > > close to the stage. > > > > After thinking about this......there is another reason why I'll welcome > > electronic music becoming popular....it will piss off the club kids to see > > joe schmo showing up to the concerts, etc. stupid pretentious asses. > > > I hate club kids too. Lately I've been having alot of them and others > > asking me if I heard this " new music" thats being played on the radio > > and MTV. I just explain to them that this music is no where near new and > > they should have listened to guys like me who years ago was telling them > > about this music. I dont mind shows like AMP because it give me a > > chance to see the music I only before could hear and imagine but the > > drawback is that more people are being turned on to it and getting a bad > > perception as to what is really is. MTV made the whole situation worse > > by putting AMP on at 9 pm making this "new music" availible to all. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: reelisti@gate.net Subject: Re: Organic Festival - 1997 Date: 08 Apr 1997 15:49:52 -0500 Ben Camp wrote: > > ryoung@fortbendsvcs.com,Internet writes: > Recent Press Release -- Concerning Organic Festival > > It's Confirmed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > : >has this been confirmed?? > : > : Yes it has. It's based on last years Organic Festival at Snow Summit and > this > : year it's gonna be a 20 city tour. Orb, Orbital, Underworld, MBM, > Chemicals > : and Prodigy will most likely me the final line-up. > : > : Dates and final line-up are not confirmed but the tour itself is. > > robo > > Now.. someone PLEASE post the tour dates and locations!!! > I'm buying tickets the day I find out!! I haven't heard anything about tour dates as of yet....but doesn't Steve keep posting that Orbital WON'T be at Organic because they don't have time??? Please set things straight, Steve... Ivy reelisti@gate.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hobo Bojo Man Subject: Re: The Saint to go TOP 3 Date: 08 Apr 1997 16:57:39 -0400 (EDT) On Mon, 7 Apr 1997 ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk wrote: > > >Think thats all. Ill update more stuff on the website. Sample page will > >change in a weeks time to rare/live stuff. Any requests ? > > requests? OK, Chime & Omen b-sides. > _________________ ______ ___________ ___ > | / \| \| \ | | | > |__ __| | | | |_| | > | | | | | |\_ _/ > | | | | | | | | > |___| \______/|______/|______/ |___| > > > > I would love to hear the b-sides to the old satan ep and the meat beat remix of Oolaa. BTW waht is the address of this sample site? I am the terry cloth God!!!! cpark@osprey.unf.edu Bow down and wash with me!!!! djfly@faraday.ee.unf.edu cpark@resourcecenter.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian A. Shillito" Subject: Re: what the hell does BTW mean? Date: 08 Apr 1997 22:19:19 +0100 Tell us, we won't be offended! ---------- > From: Rich > To: orbital@mail.xmission.com > Subject: Re: what the hell does BTW mean? > Date: 08 April 1997 02:28 > > By the way! > as in: "By the way, did you hear about the three legged chimpanzee who went > into a pub?" > and I can't really tell you the punchline as it's too rude.... > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > E-Mail: mellor1@proweb.co.uk > Home Page: http://www.proweb.co.uk/~mellor1/ > > ---------- > > From: Mike Ash > > To: orbital@mail.xmission.com > > Subject: what the hell does BTW mean? > > Date: 08 April 1997 01:04 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian A. Shillito" Subject: Re: what the hell does BTW mean? Date: 08 Apr 1997 22:16:32 +0100 By The Way........ BCNU! ---------- > From: Mike Ash > To: orbital@mail.xmission.com > Subject: what the hell does BTW mean? > Date: 08 April 1997 01:04 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian A. Shillito" Subject: Re: original album Date: 08 Apr 1997 22:16:08 +0100 On the original album (green cover), Chime and Midnight are both Live versions. Live in the sense as in 'performed on the fly', (as the 'Peel Sessions' were), not live as in the sense of a concert..... ---------- > From: matt russell > To: orbital@xmission.com > Subject: original album > Date: 08 April 1997 15:43 > > kestion(pronounced question)------ according to a discography i saw > somewhere(i think it's nibble's) they claim that on the us version of the > first album the versions of chime and midnight are original 12" mixes, now > does this mean they sound like the original versions only longer or what? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: are we here, best to assume perhaps Date: 08 Apr 1997 22:35:41 +0100 Michael Plump wrote.... >On Thu, 3 Apr 1997 ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk wrote: > I reckon, that the >> only code written on that bit would be a message to the CD player to >> "keep playing" rather than "stop coz you've reached the end of the CD" > Got it decoded, it says "Come in junior, the kippers are on the boil", so now you can all stop worrying and sleep easy. I admit I might have got the encryption wrong though, so please, don't give up trying. >What are you guys talking about? My copy of Are We Here has a 5th track! >I'm listening to it right now... it's the "Industry Standard Edit". >Pretty nice dancey happy version. Must be that you brits got gypped, cuz >its on my American version... All six of them are. > I've got both, and yes us Brits got 'gypped' - we missed some of the tracks like the Oral mix etc, which I managed to get on 12" but it was a pain in the aarrssee to get hold of. Just a confusion over the different track layout as I'm sure you know already Mr Plumpy. -- Mark S-D Please remove the *no spam* from my address when using reply. Thankyou. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: Re: Greetingz Date: 08 Apr 1997 22:02:01 +0100 Great Corrhollio wrote.... >PS:I'm proud of my English knowledge..:) >Buy! >- -- Yes ! Buy !!! ROTFLMAO Big up the chest !! Gotta go, my sides have split.... :> :o :D :> :) xxx -- Mark S-D Please remove the *no spam* from my address when using reply. Thankyou. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Young" Subject: Re: Organic Festival - 1997 Date: 08 Apr 1997 16:58:39 -0500 Apparently steve knows something that nobody else knows.... Maybe he can enlighten us? robert : I haven't heard anything about tour dates as of yet....but doesn't Steve : keep posting that Orbital WON'T be at Organic because they don't have : time??? Please set things straight, Steve... : : Ivy : reelisti@gate.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reality Subject: RE: UN ORBITAL---HEA Date: 08 Apr 1997 17:08:07 -0500 (CDT) Why don't you guys get a life. At least he's got enough intelligence to realize that Macintoshes are better than IBM clone trash. Barely. On Mon, 7 Apr 1997 brian.schutz@bbs.hal-pc.org wrote: ["] ["]Subject: RE: un orbital---heaven's gate ["]Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:40:22 -0500 ["]Reply-To: orbital@mail.xmission.com ["]ah... a Mac user.. you "brits" better watch out.. Mac users know smelly ["]when they come across it, so he knows what he's talking about... ["] aaron ["]> They don't have sarcasm because they are uppity bitches! Yeah thas ["]> right you ["]> smelly Brits! ["]> ["]> --Noodle ["]> This message sent using the FirstClass SMTP/NNTP Gateway for Mac OS. ["]> ["]I just find it amazing that there are actually people out there that use ["]Crapple Whackintoshes ["]-Brian ["] ["] Reality "...And you know they'll never find us, and they'll leave us alone, and if we just keep on talking then we'll still make it home." - Orbital, "The Box" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Morpheus Subject: Re: un orbital---heaven's gate Date: 07 Apr 1997 15:44:06 -0700 I am in complete agreement. I definitly think that the Hartnoll brothers are into aliens. even the box is about aliens who come to the earth and see how fast our lifes move and how we don't take the time to enjoy anything. > > > > > I remember reading an interview shortly after In Sides came out, that in > fact "OutThere Somewhere" is about a UFO traveling to earth and tooling > around our beloved planet and the little green men inside visiting different > people and then for some reason (depression?) they leave. Just your typical > alien visitation song. Incidentally, when that song is performed live just > near the moment when the two tracks merge there is an image of a very cool > looking UFO swooping down on the brothers on stage. I know I believe in > them, never seen one personally, I have seen some strange lights that I > couldn't positively ID, but doubt they were UFO's, but one never knows-just > keep an open mind. Our universe is way too big and we know so little about > other dimensions and time travel and such that the possibility of being > visited seems pretty high. Sorry for the ramble. Any of your Orbital > fans heard "LC1"on the Satan (1st time) single, of course we can't forget > "Are We Here" I also know that the Harntoll Brothers were blown away when > "Star Wars" came out. It's piecing together now. > > LAte, > Jeff Fanno > > THE LAW OF REPETITION- the more you see or hear something, the more it > becomes a part of you. -- Cya Morpheus Morpheus Productions: http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus Morpheus@xl.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Morpheus Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 07 Apr 1997 15:47:00 -0700 I completely agree. the radio station in Vancouver has now finally started playing orbital. I hate it. They are going to ruin there music for everyone in vancouver just like they did with robert miles ( although I think he has no talent, just an opinion). everyone no w hates robert miles here. I hope the same doesn't happen with orbital. > I hate club kids too. Lately I've been having alot of them and others > > asking me if I heard this " new music" thats being played on the radio > > and MTV. I just explain to them that this music is no where near new and > > they should have listened to guys like me who years ago was telling them > > about this music. I dont mind shows like AMP because it give me a > > chance to see the music I only before could hear and imagine but the > > drawback is that more people are being turned on to it and getting a bad > > perception as to what is really is. MTV made the whole situation worse > > by putting AMP on at 9 pm making this "new music" availible to all. -- Cya Morpheus Morpheus Productions: http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus Morpheus@xl.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: Re: Dumb idiots abound. Date: 08 Apr 1997 22:22:09 +0100 Deng wrote.... >And as far as >hating someone because they have a different perception of this "new >music", I will not even try to touch that subject. Thats a shame. ;) > Suffice it to say >that close-mindedness is the first step to oblivion. > Or at least it makes your own & others lives more difficult. Politicians are very good at that kind of thing, perhaps that's why they are so stiff and grey and blink so much, who knows - ooops, gone off topic. Btw, if the W95 interface was as nice as that on the Mac I'd be very happy. Anyone want to buy my ZX Spectrum ? It's reliable but a bit slow. You can make AFX tunes with it ! It's really great. Awwww, go on..... :) -- Mark S-D Please remove the *no spam* from my address when using reply. Thankyou. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cl Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 08 Apr 1997 19:21:22 -0500 > > I hate club kids too. Lately I've been having alot of them and others > > > > asking me if I heard this " new music" thats being played on the radio > > > > and MTV. I just explain to them that this music is no where near new and > > > > they should have listened to guys like me who years ago was telling them > > > > about this music. I dont mind shows like AMP because it give me a > > > > chance to see the music I only before could hear and imagine but the > > > > drawback is that more people are being turned on to it and getting a bad > > > > perception as to what is really is. MTV made the whole situation worse > > > > by putting AMP on at 9 pm making this "new music" availible to all. i apologize if some of you got this message, but it wasnt sent back to me, so something may have happened to it. anyway, both of the authors of the above statements hate trendy kids.. hmm. 1. i hate pinheads that claim ownership to something they have no right to. do you have an application i can fill out to be cool like you guys and listen to orbital? i have 20 of their recordings-do i make it in to your club? 2. if those kids listened to guys like you they would be arrogant fools. 3. how does popularity ruin music? lots of posts discuss how corporations and the media destroy music by "mainstreaming" it. well, cool people like yourself obviously dont follow trends, and if you do the research you will find that there are artists who will continue to make great music no matter how popular that genre may be. if you are genuinely into the music then you will find the best in the business, right? 4. please tell us what this music "really is". i have been waiting to hear the truth for quite some time. cl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: la fille des papillions Subject: Re: ORB at 9:30 club!??!! Date: 08 Apr 1997 20:25:48 -0400 (EDT) yep - may 10th - tix are around $25 - see you there :) love, jen. ^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ All of these moments will be lost in time like tears in rain. -Roy Batty in "Bladerunner" ^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Ben Camp wrote: > _PLEASE_ send me more info!!! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: la fille des papillions Subject: Re: ORB at 9:30 club!??!! Date: 08 Apr 1997 20:25:48 -0400 (EDT) yep - may 10th - tix are around $25 - see you there :) love, jen. ^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ All of these moments will be lost in time like tears in rain. -Roy Batty in "Bladerunner" ^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Ben Camp wrote: > _PLEASE_ send me more info!!! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Subject: Saint 12" vs. CD Date: 08 Apr 1997 20:30:45 -0500 (EST) I've got the Saint on CD5 and 12" (both US versions). The version of The Sinner on the CD is 9:59 and the version of The Sinner on the 12" has about 40 seconds added to the end (10:41). It's basically a proper ending to the track. Also, did someone say that The Sinner is an edited version on the new release of In Sides?? ...just to let you know... Later, Andy larsonaj@muohio.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: Who is the Really big dork? Date: 08 Apr 1997 20:07:33 -0500 how does popularity ruin music? lots of posts discuss how corporations and the media destroy music by "mainstreaming" it. well, cool people like yourself obviously dont follow trends, and if you do the research you will find that there are artists who will continue to make great music no matter how popular that genre may be. if you are genuinely into the music then you will find the best in the business, right? AMEN!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: Saint 12" vs. CD -Reply Date: 08 Apr 1997 20:40:45 -0500 the sinner on the in sides bonus cd is the 10:41 version ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Tolley Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 08 Apr 1997 22:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Sorry if this gets printed twice, but I have been reading this debate for days, so once again: TECHNO UNITES! That is all. Iskandar. On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, cl wrote: > > > I hate club kids too. Lately I've been having alot of them and others > > > > > > asking me if I heard this " new music" thats being played on the radio > > > > > > and MTV. I just explain to them that this music is no where near new and > > > > > > they should have listened to guys like me who years ago was telling them > > > > > > about this music. I dont mind shows like AMP because it give me a > > > > > > chance to see the music I only before could hear and imagine but the > > > > > > drawback is that more people are being turned on to it and getting a bad > > > > > > perception as to what is really is. MTV made the whole situation worse > > > > > > by putting AMP on at 9 pm making this "new music" availible to all. > > > i apologize if some of you got this message, but it wasnt sent back to > me, so something may have happened to it. anyway, > both of the authors of the above statements hate trendy kids.. hmm. > 1. i hate pinheads that claim ownership to something they have no right > to. do you have an application i can fill out to be cool like you guys > and listen to orbital? i have 20 of their recordings-do i make it in to > your club? > 2. if those kids listened to guys like you they would be arrogant fools. > 3. how does popularity ruin music? lots of posts discuss how > corporations and the media destroy music by "mainstreaming" it. well, > cool people like yourself obviously dont follow trends, and if you do > the research you will find that there are artists who will continue to > make great music no matter how popular that genre may be. if you are > genuinely into the music then you will find the best in the business, > right? > 4. please tell us what this music "really is". i have been waiting to > hear the truth for quite some time. > cl > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Tolley Subject: Re: Organic Festival - 1997 Date: 08 Apr 1997 22:48:42 -0400 (EDT) I'll attempt to figure out when I'm to stop saying that I'm new to the mailing list etc.. But for now, allow me to concur that Steve(damn it Steve!) should dispel the suspense and let us know what the hell is going on this summer!!! This is nerve-wracking!!! Calmly, Iskandar On Tue, 8 Apr 1997 reelisti@gate.net wrote: > Ben Camp wrote: > > > > ryoung@fortbendsvcs.com,Internet writes: > > Recent Press Release -- Concerning Organic Festival > > > > It's Confirmed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > : >has this been confirmed?? > > : > > : Yes it has. It's based on last years Organic Festival at Snow Summit and > > this > > : year it's gonna be a 20 city tour. Orb, Orbital, Underworld, MBM, > > Chemicals > > : and Prodigy will most likely me the final line-up. > > : > > : Dates and final line-up are not confirmed but the tour itself is. > > > > robo > > > > Now.. someone PLEASE post the tour dates and locations!!! > > I'm buying tickets the day I find out!! > > I haven't heard anything about tour dates as of yet....but doesn't Steve > keep posting that Orbital WON'T be at Organic because they don't have > time??? Please set things straight, Steve... > > Ivy > reelisti@gate.net > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: reelisti@gate.net Subject: Re: orbital---heaven's gate Date: 08 Apr 1997 23:40:21 -0500 Morpheus wrote: > > I am in complete agreement. I definitly think that the Hartnoll > brothers are into aliens. even the box is about aliens who come to the > earth and see how fast our lifes move and how we don't take the time to > enjoy anything. I think we are all "reading into the works" a bit too much...I don't know if "Somewhere Out There?" is about aliens; in a Seconds interview it says it is a "two part, 24 minute opus about a man's fixation on redemption from the beyond." I don't know which to accept, but I feel that their music isn't programmatic (tells a story, narrative). Ivy reelisti@gate.net PS:The "alien"? in The Box video was identified by the list some time ago as being Amelia Eirhart(sp). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KaisrSolze@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Spring Heel Jack Cybercast Date: 08 Apr 1997 23:45:50 -0400 (EDT) --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Spring Heel Jack Cybercast ROCKTROPOLIS will be cybercasting the mad beats of Spring Heel Jack on Thursday, April 10, 10pm EST! Come on down to ROCKTROPOLIS (www.rocktropolis) and join the party! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "E. Roach" Subject: Re: Technopalooza? Date: 09 Apr 1997 01:24:53 -0700 (PDT) WHAT? the Orb cancelled the Seattle show? *cire* I hadn't bought my ticket yet, i guess thats a good thing. Have the rescheduled another show? *kisskiss* your loverly fisken Erin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "E. Roach" Subject: Re: Technopalooza? Date: 09 Apr 1997 01:24:53 -0700 (PDT) WHAT? the Orb cancelled the Seattle show? *cire* I hadn't bought my ticket yet, i guess thats a good thing. Have the rescheduled another show? *kisskiss* your loverly fisken Erin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "E. Roach" Subject: Re: Technopalooza? -Reply Date: 09 Apr 1997 01:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Anyone have any idea wether it's an east coast of west coast tour? Thatwould be a loverly piece of information. *kisskiss* your loverly Fisken Erin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Micah Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 09 Apr 1997 04:37:28 -0400 cl wrote: > > > > I hate club kids too. Lately I've been having alot of them and others > > > asking me if I heard this " new music" thats being played on the radio > > > and MTV. I just explain to them that this music is no where near new and > > > they should have listened to guys like me who years ago was telling them > > > about this music. I dont mind shows like AMP because it give me a > > > chance to see the music I only before could hear and imagine but the > > > drawback is that more people are being turned on to it and getting a bad > > > perception as to what is really is. MTV made the whole situation worse > > > by putting AMP on at 9 pm making this "new music" availible to all. > 1. i hate pinheads that claim ownership to something they have no right > to. do you have an application i can fill out to be cool like you guys > and listen to orbital? i have 20 of their recordings-do i make it in to > your club? that's not the point, but yes, i think anything past 5 admits you > 3. how does popularity ruin music? lots of posts discuss how > corporations and the media destroy music by "mainstreaming" it. well, > cool people like yourself obviously dont follow trends, and if you do > the research you will find that there are artists who will continue to > make great music no matter how popular that genre may be. if you are > genuinely into the music then you will find the best in the business, > right? no, when the mainstream catches on to something good (that actually is good ie not the spice girls or their earlier incarnation the new kids on the block) it often gets ruined--more often than not. the simple argument: have you ever heard a song so many times you couldn't stand it anymore? the radio played it every 20 minutes for 5 months??? but the real way:(and i'll choose an example to clarify it) Live was totally unknown until some radio djs started playing `lightning crashes'-a song that was never meant to be a single(selling the drama,i alone,iris,white discussion) and everyone thought that they were a new band. it was so bad that at the concert (which was a big outdoor venue--yuck)they kept saying that`this is a song from our _first_ album' because literally half the people there didn't know they had 2 albums....they also thought Big Audio sucked and wanted them to play `rush' and get off the stage (probably never knowing that that guy did rock the casbah....) i bought Live's first and second album on the release days but i seriously doubt i'll buy their latest because they hav totally sold out, the music is not any good anymore. the first album is still great, but they aren't doing that music anymore becuase it didn't sell, the junk they're doing now does. feel free to flame, i'm secure with my argument and willing to defend it. annai -- http://home1.gte.net/annai mailto:annai@gte.net `this is our new s=ong just like th last one a total w.a.s.t.e. of time.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sean Subject: Re: what the hell does BTW mean? Date: 09 Apr 1997 04:32:46 -0400 (EDT) by the way oh and by the way, duh. accept less expect more s......e......a......n On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Mike Ash wrote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Seamus (James) Swift" Subject: Warning - Off topic Date: 09 Apr 1997 09:14:35 +0100 Has anyone on the list heard of a group called IN THE NURSERY ?? Strange music .... } "We allready know HOW Mr. Cow } what we want to know is WHY, WHY, } why now Brown Cow" G. Larson } } whois@griffin.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben_Camp@friendsbalt.org (Ben Camp) Subject: Re(2): ORB at 9:30 club!??!! Date: 09 Apr 1997 09:10:18 -0700 somebody please tell me it's an under 18 show.. a couple of my friends have told me that they card at the door sometimes.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cl Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 08 Apr 1997 16:31:41 -0500 > > > > > > I hate club kids too. Lately I've been having alot of them and others i hate pinheads who assume ownership of something they have no right in doing. do you have an application that i can fill out so i too can listen to orbital and be like you? > > asking me if I heard this " new music" thats being played on the radio and MTV. I just explain to them that this music is no where near new and they should have listened to guys like me who years ago was telling them about this music. listen to guys like you? where would that get them except to cop a "more underground than thou" attitude. > > > > drawback is that more people are being turned on to it and getting a bad perception as to what is really is. MTV made the whole situation worse by putting AMP on at 9 pm making this "new music" availible to all. ok, so tell us what it really is about? what are the drawbacks of popularity among music? i keep hearing about corporations and the mass media ruining music, but all that shows is how thin skinned some fans are out there. if you like the music, do the research, spend the $ you will find artists out there who do not compromise their sound and still make great records despite their sales numbers. usually i avoid posting, let alone flames, but this type of arrogance is not taking this list anywhere. cl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Adamson" Subject: Re: Underworld question -Reply -Reply -Reply and Again! Date: 09 Apr 1997 16:51:48 +0100 Don't bother, these albums are shite, nowt like dubnobass or any of the other new stuff. Chris... ---------- > From: damien a. haussling > To: orbital@mail.xmission.com > Subject: Re: Underworld question -Reply -Reply -Reply > Date: 07 April 1997 03:33 > > Just for the hell of it, I would like to see if I copuld get a copy of > these... > > Anybody have any idea how? > > > >>They have two albums prior to dubnobass... But they are > >>pop/rock > >>albums and the music is nothing like what they are doing now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: brian.schutz@bbs.hal-pc.org Subject: WELL- KINDA ORBITAL Date: 08 Apr 1997 14:22:51 Reply-To: orbital@mail.xmission.com Morpheus wrote: > > I agree. the raving society is supposed to be more open minded then > others. this list is about orbital and other electronic groups and in no way a battle ground for immature people to insult each other. we all > appreciate people's opinions. but sometimes people go beyond opinion. share your opinion, but keep it at an opinion and not an insult. > besides, i'm sure most people on this list are getting pissed off over > this shit. if you want to have modem wars, do in private mail. > > Cya- > > Morpheus This is the last I'm probably going to say on the subject, but it surprised me when people were posting insults about what kind of computer other people use- mentalities found in computer and business magazines, agents of the market economy. I was also surprised that Macs were being put down when the wonderful music we are here to discuss is made in part by a Macintosh (check out P&P's gear lists!). Thanks, Ivy reelisti@gate.net yeah, macs do have their points(a built in sound system being one of them)but I got the reaction I was looking for, I was wondering just how open minded everyone on this list was to other's opinions -Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lesley Dobin Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 09 Apr 1997 12:26:00 -0400 Which station plays Orbital? I've never heard Orbital, and I'm forced to listen to Vancouver radio for at the least, eight hours a day (which I find about as enjoyable as listening to nails being dragged across a football field of chalkboards). Do I need to start tuning in at different hours? The only reason they "ruined" Robert Miles is because they played his songs everywhere, all the time ... however, if like me, you didn't enjoy Robert Miles in the first place, it was equal only to more torture. They'll never play Orbital enough to ruin them for anyone, if I have faith in anything, it's that radio here sucks like an industrial Hoover. ---------- I completely agree. the radio station in Vancouver has now finally started playing orbital. I hate it. They are going to ruin there music for everyone in vancouver just like they did with robert miles ( although I think he has no talent, just an opinion). everyone no w hates robert miles here. I hope the same doesn't happen with orbital. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lesley Dobin Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 09 Apr 1997 12:27:00 -0400 >I hate club kids too. Lately I've been having alot of them and others >asking me if I heard this " new music" thats being played on the radio >and MTV. I just explain to them that this music is no where near new and >they should have listened to guys like me who years ago was telling them >about this music. I dont mind shows like AMP because it give me a >chance to see the music I only before could hear and imagine but the >drawback is that more people are being turned on to it and getting a bad >perception as to what is really is. MTV made the whole situation worse >by putting AMP on at 9 pm making this "new music" availible to all. *ittybittyrant* Music becomes available to all when that shiney cellophane wrapped package gets taken out of its box, slapped with a price sticker and stocked on the shelf of any record store. Which, I imagine, is how the majority of artists want things to work, unless they desperately love being poor, working a day job, living with folks, having no equipment, and having no one realize the genius that lies just beneath the surface. Seems to me that when more people buy the music, regardless of wether they get it as much as the next person who buys it, they are supporting the artist and perhaps making it possible for the next disc to come out. I'd rather see something by Orbital shoved into constant rotation on the radio or muchmusic, than the crap they play now. Frankly I don't care who else listens to it, I don't care when they started to listen to it and I don't care if they get it or not, because there are plenty of people out there who do that for me; worrying if I've been listening long enough or if I understand the music as completely as they do. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lesley Dobin Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 09 Apr 1997 15:20:00 -0400 If this occurs in your e-mail many times, please forgive me. >I hate club kids too. Lately I've been having alot of them and others >asking me if I heard this " new music" thats being played on the radio >and MTV. I just explain to them that this music is no where near new and >they should have listened to guys like me who years ago was telling them >about this music. I dont mind shows like AMP because it give me a >chance to see the music I only before could hear and imagine but the >drawback is that more people are being turned on to it and getting a bad >perception as to what is really is. MTV made the whole situation worse >by putting AMP on at 9 pm making this "new music" availible to all. *ittybittyrant* Music becomes available to all when that shiney cellophane wrapped package gets taken out of its box, slapped with a price sticker and stocked on the shelf of any record store. Which, I imagine, is how the majority of artists want things to work, unless they desperately love being poor, working a day job, living with their folks , having no equipment, and not having anyone realize the genius that lies just beneath the surface. Seems to me that when more people buy the music, regardless of wether they get it as much as the next person who buys it, they are supporting the artist and perhaps making it possible for the next disc to come out. I'd rather see something by Orbital shoved into constant rotation on the radio or muchmusic, than the crap they play now. It is a business for just that reason. Artists aren't blind to the business side of things. Singles are distributed for airplay, videos are made for exposure. These are positive things. If they can survive the struggle upwards, a good artist should be able to survive a screaming, yelping, frothing mass of MTV created fans. Methinks. Am I naive? Orbital doesn't seem to be recording anything for the sake of becoming insanely popular; but it's inevitable that when something sounds so good- (mmmm ... just heard Halcyon on + on in my head and now I'm in my happy place) - people are going to start listening. And frankly I don't care who else listens, I don't care when they started to listen to it and I don't care if they get it or not, because there are plenty of people out there who do that for me; worrying if I've been listening long enough or if I understand the music as completely as they do. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Plump Subject: non-orbital: Orb's S.A.L.T. Date: 09 Apr 1997 12:31:36 -0700 (PDT) can anyone understand what the guy in Orb's S.A.L.T. (Orblivion track 7) is saying? I understand he is talking about correlations between the book of revelations and today... in the first part he is going off about how in the book of revelations it described how no one could do business with out the mark of the devil, and the mark of the devil is '666'. Unless you had that on your right hand you couldn't buy or sell. "What could such a specific prophesy mean? What is the mark?" Then he talks about how today's "mark of the devil" is "the barcode, the ubiqutous barcode" and soon they will want to tatoo a barcode on your right hand or forehead JUST AS PROPHESIED IN THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS. Anyway, I was curious about two things: a) is that true? i.e. is anyone _really_ talking about tatooing barcodes on people? I'm thinking it would have to be in China or something... b) what does he mean by this quote "every barcode is divided into two parts by the free markets, and those free markets are represented by the number '6666'" What is he talking about? What are the "free markets"? And what does the number 6666 have to do with them? btw i loooooove that song. creepy especially when you listen to the words. "And do you know what the Russian translation for wormwood is? Chernobyl! FACT! " Michael Plump ++ plumpy@orbital.hurrah.com ++ plumpy@magic.hurrah.com "We are dancing right now, so not very much is being served at the moment." --the old orbital.hurrah.com webpage (the quote is gone now) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "damien a. haussling" Subject: Re: ORB at 9:30 club!??!! -Reply Date: 09 Apr 1997 16:16:08 -0400 Tickets are $20 before service chgs >>yep - may 10th - tix are around $25 - see you there :) >>love, >> jen. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "damien a. haussling" Subject: Re(2): ORB at 9:30 club!??!! -Reply Date: 09 Apr 1997 16:29:43 -0400 930 club is an ALL AGES club. If you're 5 years old and you wanna go, you can... They card for drinking only... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Kasaj Subject: Re: non-orbital: Orb's S.A.L.T. Date: 09 Apr 1997 23:39:36 +0200 (MET DST) >Anyway, I was curious about two things: > >a) is that true? i.e. is anyone _really_ talking about tatooing barcodes >on people? I'm thinking it would have to be in China or something... > >b) what does he mean by this quote "every barcode is divided into two >parts by the free markets, and those free markets are represented by the >number '6666'" What is he talking about? What are the "free markets"? >And what does the number 6666 have to do with them? > Nice post :) I understand that these "ramblings" (the song, not you :)) are sampled out of a movie.. so you really don't need to worry about the words being a true prophecy :) I looooooooooove the heavy drumming in the second part. ...and I was wondering if anyone out there bothered to write down the full lyrics...because some are though to make out. -- Daniel Kasaj - leqash@fly.cc.fer.hr URL: http://fly.cc.fer.hr/~leqash ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: S.A.L.T. & the ramblings of a madman ! Date: 09 Apr 1997 22:39:59 +0100 Michael Plump wrote.... >can anyone understand what the guy in Orb's S.A.L.T. (Orblivion track 7) >is saying? I understand he is talking about correlations between the book >of revelations and today... > That's all you need to know really. :) >Then he talks about how today's "mark of the devil" is "the barcode, the >ubiqutous barcode" and soon they will want to tatoo a barcode on your >right hand or forehead JUST AS PROPHESIED IN THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS. > >Anyway, I was curious about two things: > >a) is that true? i.e. is anyone _really_ talking about tatooing barcodes >on people? I'm thinking it would have to be in China or something... > Who knows thee truth ? It's open to lots of different interpretations, people fall for one and get freaked out. One way of looking at it is that if you take it not as being totally literal, you could connect it with credit & ID cards, databases etc....& the ever growing desire of the state for information and security systems to protect itself. And on the other side the members of society with a fear of moving towards a real life scenario like in the film/book 1984 where the state see's & controls all. OK, so whats this got to do with barcodes....? What is the purpose of a barcode, to give information on a "thing", a barcode on the hand, to give information about a person. For what reason ? *According* to the bible it's the work of the devil (666), according to the goverment to protect "national interests". In 1984 it was the evil force which crushed the spirit of the population and eventually killed the main character. The thought of being under total control for your own good is quite scary, it's not a suprise to me that the concept had reared it's ugly head even back then and it would be called "the devils work" because the church was the main power & not the goverment. You might be familiar with the words "National concern is more important than individual will", this is central to the operation of both our goverments, it's REAL - if you take this concept and the potential of todays technology to it's 'logical' conclusion ignoring moral issues you would have 1984, and so the link. That's the best interpretation I can come up with anyway, theres a few loopholes in the logic there mind you, just like there is in the Bible. ;) Sorry for such a long paragraph, I hope some of it gives you something to consider at least. >b) what does he mean by this quote "every barcode is divided into two >parts by the free markets, and those free markets are represented by the >number '6666'" What is he talking about? What are the "free markets"? >And what does the number 6666 have to do with them? > Open to interpretation again, but heres assuming again.... Free markets exist it's what the stock exchange and Wall St. is all about. You could assume that the stock exchange is the devils work as well considering 666 is the number or the beast (Satan). You could also argue that the division is either men being divided inside, ie doing things for money which they do not agree with themselves or, dividing society - the free market is of most benefit to the rich so in that way you could say that it helps divide society. (The 2nd one is true IMO) If you want to get into biblical references you might want to read a book called Snow Crash, it's an exciting read and goes in depth into some mind bending stuff. A mish mash of fiction and real life where the edges of each become blurred, it had me thinking for weeks. >btw i loooooove that song. creepy especially when you listen to the >words. > >"And do you know what the Russian translation for wormwood is? interlude> Chernobyl! FACT! " > The power of coincidence or something else ? I think I'll stay undecided....it's much more comfortable. Take care. :) -- Mark S-D Please remove the *no spam* from my address when using reply. Thankyou. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FishyT99@aol.com Subject: dig your own hole.... Date: 09 Apr 1997 18:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Well, against my better judgment, I bought dig your own hole, the new Chem Bros album.....I can't say I was pleasantly surprised, but it is a much better effort than Exit Planet Dust. Someone should take away those boys' drum machines for a couple mos...I think they'd be a lot better musically for it. There are a few trax that shine on here....mainly 10 and 11, but a couple others, too....like track 4 (the one b4 setting sun, I can't remember the name of it) These songs actually help piss me off about the Chem Bros, tho, because it seems like they DO have talent, even if they refuse to show it most of the time.....oh well Your pal, Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cl Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 09 Apr 1997 17:45:08 -0500 Micah wrote: > that's not the point, but yes, i think anything past 5 admits you ok, what is the point then when you have a problem with other people liking "your" music? > > 3. how does popularity ruin music? lots of posts discuss how > > corporations and the media destroy music by "mainstreaming" it. well, > > cool people like yourself obviously dont follow trends, and if you do > > the research you will find that there are artists who will continue to > > make great music no matter how popular that genre may be. if you are > > genuinely into the music then you will find the best in the business, > > right? > no, when the mainstream catches on to something good (that actually is > good ie not the spice girls or their earlier incarnation the new kids on > the block) it often gets ruined--more often than not. the simple > argument: have you ever heard a song so many times you couldn't stand it > anymore? the radio played it every 20 minutes for 5 months??? turn it off. > but the real way:(and i'll choose an example to clarify it) Live was > totally unknown until some radio djs started playing `lightning > crashes'-a song that was never meant to be a single(selling the drama,i > alone,iris,white discussion) and everyone thought that they were a new > band. it was so bad that at the concert (which was a big outdoor > venue--yuck)they kept saying that`this is a song from our _first_ album' > because literally half the people there didn't know they had 2 > albums....they also thought Big Audio sucked and wanted them to play > `rush' and get off the stage (probably never knowing that that guy did > rock the casbah....) i bought Live's first and second album on the > release days but i seriously doubt i'll buy their latest because they > hav totally sold out, the music is not any good anymore. the first album > is still great, but they aren't doing that music anymore becuase it > didn't sell, the junk they're doing now does. > feel free to flame, i'm secure with my argument and willing to defend > it. look at your writing-"they" sold out, "they" arent doing that music anymore. you have a problem with the band live. according to you they make junk that sells. no one put a gun to their heads and said "make more popular music dammit!" it is their right to create the type of music they want, and the right of all individuals to buy the latest album without prior knowledge-even if it makes for crappy music and ignorant listeners. you havent linked the media or mainstreaming to your points. live could have made anything they wanted to, stayed on an underground label, whatever you deem to be good. they chose not to, but there always will be bands that; make it big and change-live make it big and stay good-orbital, the beatles stay small and good-hundreds of small electronic outfits stay small and bad-hundreds of small electronic outfits the artist and the fans are the focal points here, not the media or "industry". radio plays what people want, pure and simple. if radio listens to people, they make money. that is the bottom line. cl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) -Reply Date: 09 Apr 1997 17:46:43 -0500 Radio play will not ruin Orbital. Unless of course you are one of those people who stops listening to someone when they become "popular". Truly good music will stand the test of time, no matter how popular it may become, and those who truly appreciate music will continue to listen to a group when they become popular. p.S. Robert Miles ruined himself by using the same damn elements in EVERY song! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FishyT99@aol.com Subject: Re: Technopalooza? -Reply Date: 09 Apr 1997 18:48:15 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-04-08 10:03:37 EDT, you write: << IT is also rumored that Prodigy may be on Lollapalooza this year, along with one of my favorite non-electronica weirdo bands: The Jon Spencer Blues Explosion.... >> I can't confirm this rumor, but I've heard it as well.....Tricky is also supposed to be at Lolla, along with Tool, who I actually like ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Morpheus Subject: Re: orbital---heaven's gate Date: 08 Apr 1997 15:52:24 -0700 well I have read that it is an alien on many sites on the net. I have also been absent from the list for about 3 months, so sorry for the repetition. > PS:The "alien"? in The Box video was identified by the list some time > ago as being Amelia Eirhart(sp). -- Cya Morpheus Morpheus Productions: http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus Morpheus@xl.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: the_curator Subject: Chime 12" Auction Date: 09 Apr 1997 22:34:19 +0100 You may recall a while ago I advertised this for sale, but due to the buyer (of the postal, not e-mail tribe) dropping out I still have it. So here we go again: If anyone out there is interested in the following 12" single, e-mail me privately with bids (in English Pounds, please). - "Chime/Deeper" on Oh-zone Records. Zone 001.White card sleeve. It has been played but are still in good condition i.e. you can't hear clicks or anything like that. Bids do not include postage and packing, which will be a couple of pounds extra (slightly more outside the UK) as I'm proposing to send them recorded delivery. Also please bear in mind that, unless payment is in English Pounds Sterling, I'll also have to add about four pounds bank charges. thanks Y. Song ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. TAYLOR" Subject: Re: Fwd: Spring Heel Jack Cybercast Date: 09 Apr 1997 19:29:09 -0600 (MDT) Has anyone heard anything about an Orbital Production company involved with a large Rave right after the Las Vegas Orb show? Randarian. Is Orbital going to be a special guest at the event? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sean Subject: Re: Technopalooza? -Reply Date: 09 Apr 1997 15:14:16 -0400 (EDT) i feel that this is the correct time to start the east coast - west coast techno war like tupac and B.I.G this could be really big.. yeah... :) sean accept less expect more s......e......a......n On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, E. Roach wrote: > Anyone have any idea wether it's an east coast of west coast tour? > > Thatwould be a loverly piece of information. > > *kisskiss* > your loverly Fisken > Erin > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: *thee dark star thief Subject: Re: dig your own hole.... Date: 09 Apr 1997 21:57:19 -0400 (EDT) hmm... it seems a lot of people diss the chem's first release... it's nothing stellar, ming you, maybe it has very little talent involved... but most of it gets me moving on a dance floor, and i absolutely love "one too many mornings" - it's one of those songs that, when you listen to it, everything is all right.... it definitely doesn't give me the listening pleasure that In Sides does or anything like that but you can't say these guys don't produce decent, fun-loving music that in its own way is beautiful and has some soul where a lot of techno doesn't... *jim ***************"MTV makes me want to smoke crack" - Beck**************** * * * "do your dreams replay the past? * * if not, what do your dreams forecast?" * * "every man and woman is a star tonight" - mbm * * * * "i'll be the sky above the ganges/i'll be the vast and stormy sea" * * -REM "be mine" * * * ****-the rainbow mindbath:http://www.netsync.net/users/jbriggs/jim3/**** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: *thee dark star thief Subject: Re: dig your own hole.... Date: 09 Apr 1997 21:57:19 -0400 (EDT) hmm... it seems a lot of people diss the chem's first release... it's nothing stellar, ming you, maybe it has very little talent involved... but most of it gets me moving on a dance floor, and i absolutely love "one too many mornings" - it's one of those songs that, when you listen to it, everything is all right.... it definitely doesn't give me the listening pleasure that In Sides does or anything like that but you can't say these guys don't produce decent, fun-loving music that in its own way is beautiful and has some soul where a lot of techno doesn't... *jim ***************"MTV makes me want to smoke crack" - Beck**************** * * * "do your dreams replay the past? * * if not, what do your dreams forecast?" * * "every man and woman is a star tonight" - mbm * * * * "i'll be the sky above the ganges/i'll be the vast and stormy sea" * * -REM "be mine" * * * ****-the rainbow mindbath:http://www.netsync.net/users/jbriggs/jim3/**** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Morpheus Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) -Reply Date: 08 Apr 1997 20:47:41 -0700 This robert miles bit is so true. I have heard remixes of songs which sound more different then two of his songs. But, the thing is, is that here in Vancouver, the radio over plays stuff to the point that you can no longer stand to listen to it. I think it would be nice for Orbital to finally be established in Vancouver, but I just hope that there work isn't abused by the money hungry thieves at the radio. > > p.S. Robert Miles ruined himself by using the same damn elements in > EVERY song! -- Cya Morpheus Morpheus Productions: http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus Morpheus@xl.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clerc2@pe.net Subject: Aphex Twin- Ventolin Date: 09 Apr 1997 21:11:49 -0800 Sorry, I know that this is a bit late, but I just wanted to clear up why he made such an "annoying" sounding track- i read a interview somewhere that the whole track is basically supposed to sound like an asthma attack, the claustrobia, unease, pain, etc. Hence both the whine and the title, "Ventolin," which someone else mentioned is a type of inhaler. And there is at least one remix without the whine on the us version (which has both UK cds on one)- I don't remember which track#, but I remember it because I had it on wihtout listening too closely to it, and all of a sudden my ears stopped screaming at me. I realised it was because the whine had stopped. one more thing- what does his remix of Devil's Haircut sound like? Is it like Polygon Window stuff, or more ambient? thanks! Ryan ...so I thought to myself, "what would God do in this situation?" Then it came to me. Locusts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clerc2@pe.net Subject: just a thought.... Date: 09 Apr 1997 21:33:05 -0800 although I'm also worried about the techno music scene getting popular in the us, i think that the core musicians wouldn't change- at least I feel confident that Orbital wouldn't, they've already become huge in the UK and kept making masterpieces, why try to sell out for the US market, the bulk of whom can't get their ears around to anything besides guitars? But, now for the thought- we usually think that when music goes "big time" it loses its roots, sells out, gets sucky, whatever. But I'd say that the Prodigy's Jilted Generation is much better than their earlier stuff, which was just aimed at the rave scene. The newer stuff, instead of being somewhat cheesy (I do like it, especially wind it up, but its still kinda corny), has actually gotten to be somewhat arranged, and they made new "rock" dynamics so its more visceral... it hits you, you just have to start to dance. So even though the new stuff is meant for a larer audience, its better music (IMHO). Yeah, with the popularization of techno, there might be some pathetic bands signed that don't really even deserve to have such cool equipment- but that doesn't mean that all of the music will suck. That's like saying that once the Beatles started to get popular, their music started to suck. It freed them up, they made Sgt. Peppers. So could we stop bitching about it, and just watch and see what happens? Our griping to "keep the scene real" won't change anything.....and who know? Maybe this will make techno so popular that keyboards will get cheap enough for all of us to afford to make our own music....(c'mon, I have to have some sort of a dream.....) thanks for listening to my 2 cents, ryan ...so I thought to myself, "what would God do in this situation?" Then it came to me. Locusts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Micah Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 10 Apr 1997 02:29:39 -0400 i'll start this by saying that your points are valid and i agree with you for the most part. cl wrote: > > Micah wrote: > > that's not the point, but yes, i think anything past 5 admits you > ok, what is the point then when you have a problem with other people > liking "your" music? can we say "sarcasm"? there, that's good.... >> anymore? the radio played it every 20 minutes for 5 months??? > turn it off. not always possible; and agian, not the point. > look at your writing-"they" sold out, "they" arent doing that music > anymore. you have a problem with the band live. according to you they > make junk that sells. no one put a gun to their heads and said "make > more popular music dammit!" you don't know that *grin* > it is their right to create the type of > music they want, and the right of all individuals to buy the latest > album without prior knowledge-even if it makes for crappy music and > ignorant listeners. you havent linked the media or mainstreaming to > your points. live could have made anything they wanted to, stayed on an > underground label, they still are on radioactive (to the best of my knowledge...) > whatever you deem to be good. they chose not to, but > there always will be bands that; > make it big and change-live and i don't know _why_ they changed, it could be that ed k. just can't write good lyrics anymore, that they truely think their new music _is_ good, ar that this is what the label said was going to be on the new album. i don't know. > make it big and stay good-orbital, the beatles depeche mode, but i don't consider orbital big (in the US anyway...) > stay small and good-hundreds of small electronic outfits > stay small and bad-hundreds of small electronic outfits > the artist and the fans are the focal points here, not the media or > "industry". radio plays what people want, pure and simple. if radio > listens to people, they make money. that is the bottom line. > cl but it is just as much that people want to hear what the radio plays. 90% of the customers that ask for things are for bands that have no talent (ie cravin' melon, matchbox20, sublime) that sell out our 20 copies within 3 days. labels _PAY_ the stations to play certain songs so many times(and stores to stock and display them). if the main local staion plays a song 10 times a day, it will sell a lot. no question. oh well, i'll stop this thread now. i totally think that techno/ambient is is going to become the main genre, and though i don't like that (except that it will get the nasty guitar rock bands out of here and allow talented electronic artists to get siogned) i'll have to deal. annai -- http://home1.gte.net/annai mailto:annai@gte.net `this is our new s=ong just like th last one a total w.a.s.t.e. of time.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ed naylor Subject: Re: S.A.L.T. & the ramblings of a Mancunian! Date: 10 Apr 1997 11:22:05 -0400 (EDT) As I'm sure someone has said before, the S.A.L.T. monologue is taken from the Mike Leigh film "Naked" (yes, that "Secrets and Lies", Oscar nominated Mike Leigh). The film is excellent, thanks mainly to the performance of David Thewlis as the lead character who speaks with a thick Manchester accent - "free markets" is I believe actually "three markers" - the three sixes split the barcode up into sections. I haven't watched the film for a while but I think that's right, feel free/three to correct. I actually got the vid for 3 quid as part of a promotion by an English newspaper (cool or what?) - all this discussion is making me want to watch it again so I'll check if anyone's interested. Now what I really want is for someone to sample Ewen ("Trainspotting") Bremner's immortal line from the same film - "Maggie! Where's ma fuckin' chips?" While we're on the subject of film sampling, does anyone know about a version of DJ Shadow's Stem that includes dialogue from "Heat"? I'm sure I heard Pacino and De Niro on the radio, but the 2 versions I have don't have this. Ta. Ed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mindub808@aol.com Subject: Re: just a thought.... Date: 10 Apr 1997 09:16:20 -0400 (EDT) If you were around when "Experience" was released, or even when "Everybody Is In The Place" was only on 12" and you heard it out at a party, YOU WOULD HAVE DANCED!! Those tracks are historic in shaping what we have today. Anyone who was around knows what I am talking about. This "new rock dynamic" that you are referring to is what makes them suck now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: Organic Festival - 1997 Date: 10 Apr 1997 10:27:49 -0600 (MDT) > But for now, allow me to concur that Steve(damn > it Steve!) should dispel the suspense and let us know what the hell is > going on this summer!!! This is nerve-wracking!!! Steve has posted at least three times that Orbital are not going to be playing at Organic this year. How many more times do you want him to say it before you believe him? -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Uglesich Subject: chaotica tour - sorry for the excess news Date: 10 Apr 1997 14:03:18 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7E031D32947 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.addict.com/MNOTW/97-04-10.html#TOP -- | Robert Uglesich | And I must be an acrobat to talk | | Department of Astronomy | like this and act like that. | | Columbia University | And you can dream so dream out loud | | 538 W 120th Street | and don't let the bastards grind you | | New York, NY 10027 | down. | | 212/854-6888 | - U2, Acrobat | --------------7E031D32947 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="97-04-10.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="97-04-10.html" Music News Of The World - April 10, 1997 - Edited by Michael Goldberg Music News Audio Daily Report: [RealAudio][14.4k][28.8k][3.0k][- Featured in TimeCast] Electronica Summer Fest Renamed Chaotica Soundgarden End It All ATN Album Review: Notorious B.I.G.'s Life After Death Ex-Soundgarden Bassist Joins Devilhead Notorious B.I.G Still On Top Of The Charts "The Question": Should Soundgarden Have Called It Quits? Spin Loses Sexual Harassment Case Laura Nyro Dead At 49 A U. S. Robotics' Modem Could Be Yours ATN Columns: TV Eye On "3rd Rock From The Sun" You Say It's Your Birthday: Babyface Electronica Summer Fest Renamed Chaotica [Chemical Brothers: sm-strummer-swn] Chemical Brothers hangin' in Manhattan. Photo by Scott Wynn. Addicted To Noise staff writer Gil Kaufman reports: The electronica touring festival referred to as Organic for the past few months, will actually be called Chaotica and will kick off with five shows in July, followed by 15 in September. The festival, which will be similar to the one-off event held in the San Bernadino National Forest recreation area in Big Bear, California last summer is expected to feature ("90% sure") the Chemical Brothers (see feature in current issue of ATN), Prodigy, The Orb and Meat Beat Manifesto, according to a source close to the action. The Chaotica events will be held in sports arenas, with a main stage and a "smaller room in the back" that will house a rotating slate of DJ's. There will also be DJ's on the main stage before and in-between acts. The concerts, which organizers hope will run from approximately 9 p.m. until 4 a.m. (depending on curfew laws) will be eight hours long and feature between 10 and 12 bands. Top of page Soundgarden End It All This is the end, my friend. Photo [Soundgarden: sm-darker skull blue-jb] by Jay Blakesberg. Addicted To Noise staff writer Gil Kaufman reports:Seattle's Soundgarden, one of the first bands signed to the influential Sub Pop label, have disbanded. A brief statement released by A&M Records, the group's label, on Wednesday (April 9), read in part: "After twelve years, the members of Soundgarden have amicably and mutually decided to pursue other interests." Fronted by wailer Chris Cornell and anchored by the aggressive guitar work of Kim Thayil, Soundgarden are credited, along with Nirvana, Tad, the Melvins and Mother Love Bone (among many others), with laying the foundation for an aggressive, metallic sound that emerged from the Northwest in the late 80's, a sound the media dubbed "grunge." The group, who formed in 1984 and whose original line-up included bassist Hiro Yamamoto and singer Cornell on drums (quickly spelled by Scott Sundquist on drums), drew their name from a famous metallic lakeside sculpture in Seattle. Their debut EP, 1987's searing Screaming Life, was released on Sub Pop. It was followed by another EP, 1988's Fopp, and an album, 1988's Ultramega OK for SST. With the release of 1989's Louder Than Love on A&M, Soundgarden became one of the first grunge bands to sign to a major label. Soundgarden tirelessly slugged it out on the road in the early 90's and patiently waited for radio to catch up with their over-the-top, 70's rock-inspired sound, garnering a Best Metal Performance Grammy in 1990 for Louder Than Love. Bassist Ben Shepherd joined the clan for 1991's Badmotorfinger, the album that set the group up for the long-fought breakthrough, 1994's Superunknown. That album debuted at #1 on the Billboard charts, bagged them two more Grammy's and birthed their biggest hit to date, "Black Hole Sun," as well as the radio tracks "Spoonman" and "Fell On Black Days." The attendant increase in sales and high-visibility, especially for pin-up worthy Cornell (who was recently featured in a solo Details cover story), landed them on the cover of every major music magazine. The held down the #2 slot (second only to Metallica) on last summer's Lollapalooza tour. Soundgarden's final album, last year's self-produced Down on the Upside, sprinkled with plenty of '70s hard rock dust and heavy metal bombast, contained the hits "Pretty Noose" and "Blow Up the Outside World" and was considered by many critics to be their most nuanced work to date. Their five albums on A&M (including three platinum albums) have sold more than 20 million copies... [For the rest of this story, please use "Continued" icon below.] [... more ...] Top of page ATN Album Review: Notorious B.I.G.'s Life After Death [Notorious BIG: sm-Life After Death-cd] By Kembrew McLeod One could spend an entire review of The Notorious B.I.G.'s posthumous album Life After Death engaged in a sociological and textual analysis of its content. We could meditate on how his death signifies a wide assortment of American society's ills, and use it as a launching pad into a discussion about how historical circumstances such as white supremacy have created structural conditions that perpetuate a system of inequity upon portions of the African-American population. Unfortunately, when you break it down, it's just an album... and not a very good one at that... [...44.1kHz ...] <> Top of page Ex-Soundgarden Bassist Joins Devilhead The pre-Shepherd version of Devilhead. [Devilhead: sm-Red Devils-lm] Addicted To Noise staff writer Gil Kaufman reports: Before the ink was even dry on the press release announcing the break-up of Soundgarden, ATN learned that bassist Ben Shepherd has joined the eccentric Seattle band Devilhead. The band, fronted by Brian and Kevin Wood, older siblings of the late Andrew Wood of seminal Seattle glam outfit, Mother Love Bone, released their sophomore album, Pest Control on Stone Gossard's (Pearl Jam) Loosegroove label last year. Devilhead's manager, Diane Podolak, told ATN that Shepherd has been playing with the band for over a month, replacing departed member Tim Young on guitar around the time he started telling people he'd been "fired" from Soundgarden. "When Tim left the band, Ben just volunteered for the job. He started getting together with the band and asked them if he could join and they said yes," said Podolak. The new configuration of Devilhead played their first, and so far only, live show last Friday (April 4) at Moe's in Seattle, during which they debuted a number of the seven or eight songs they've written together over the past five weeks, mixed in with two songs from the last album and a cover of AC/DC's "Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap," on which Shepherd shared vocal duties with Brian Wood. "He's definitely joined the band," said Podolak, adding that the new material the band have been writing is in more of "a Hater vibe," referring to Shepherd's side-project with Soundgarden drummer Matt Cameron, versus the metal-meets-lounge-meets stoner rock of Devilhead's last album. "They're going to play a couple more shows and start phasing out the old stuff and try to get in the studio and have a new record out in the fall, or by Christmas, if they can," Podolak said. The other members of Devilhead are drummer Mike Stone (Tuatara) and Corey Kane (Satchel). Top of page Notorious B.I.G Still On Top Of The Charts [Spice Girls: sm-Spice-cd] In the #2 positio. Uhh, on the charts. Rapper Notorious B.I.G., killed in a March 9 drive-by in Los Angeles, held on to the top spot on the Billboard charts with his posthumous double-CD, Life After Death, which sold 307,000 copies for the week ending April 6, according to Soundscan. Three-week sales (nearly 6,000 copies of the album were sold before the official release date) now top one million copies and B.I.G. becomes the first artist to hold the top spot for two weeks straight in 11 weeks, a feat last accomplished by No Doubt's Tragic Kingdom, which is at #10 this week, with total sales topping six million copies. The rest of the top ten was virtually unchanged. The Spice Girls' debut, Spice, moved into second place on sales of 147,000, flip-flopping with the Space Jam soundtrack, which was down a notch to third on sales of 139,000 copies. The Wallflowers climbed three spots to #5 with their album Bringing Down the Horse which has now passed the 1.5 million mark in sales, while Aerosmith's latest, Nine Lives slipped three notches to #8. U2's Pop held onto the #12 position for the second week. "The Question": Should Soundgarden Have Called It Quits? Soundgarden/sm-tan_woods-jb.gif The right decision? Photo by Jay Blakesberg. "The Question" is a feature sponsored by the Gap. Each weekday we ask a question about an artist, or timely issue. And we ask for your response. The following day, the results are posted. And while you're at it, you can enter a contest and, if you're lucky, win a gift certificate for a pair of from khaki pants from the Gap. Today we want to know if you think it was time for Soundgarden to break up, or if they should have worked things out and stayed together? <> Top of page "The Question": Should Soundgarden Have Called It Quits? The right decision? Photo by Jay [Soundgarden: sm-tan woods-jb] Blakesberg. "The Question" is a feature sponsored by the Gap. Each weekday we ask a question about an artist, or timely issue. And we ask for your response. The following day, the results are posted. And while you're at it, you can enter a contest and, if you're lucky, win a gift certificate for a pair of from khaki pants from the Gap. Today we want to know if you think it was time for Soundgarden to break up, or if they should have worked things out and stayed together? <> Top of page Spin Loses Sexual Harassment Case Addicted To Noise staff writer Gil Kaufman reports: A federal jury awarded $110,000 in compensatory damages and back pay to a former Spin magazine employee who charged the magazine's publisher, Bob Guccione Jr., with sexual harassment. After five days of intense deliberation in U.S. District Court in Manhattan, a middle-aged jury of five men and four women agreed with Bonner's claims that the editorial department at the magazine created a hostile working environment for the now 29-year-old former research editor and writer at the magazine, according to a report in today's Los Angeles Times. The jury declined to assess punitive damages, which observers believe could have irreparably damaged the magazine's chances of survival, . Jurors rejected Bonner's claims that the manner in which she was promoted constituted a form of sexual discrimination and that the intentional infliction of emotional distress forced her to resign from the magazine. According to the Times, "Bonner, 29, had contended that women at Spin were hired and promoted and received plum assignments often based on their personal relationships with the 41-year-old publisher." Guccione denied Bonner's charges and countered that she was simply not a very gifted writer and her assignments reflected her abilities. Bonner's attorney, Hillary Richard, told reporters she was "glad that Staci was vindicated, that the jury believed in her and her claims," but disappointed that Guccione and the magazine weren't hit harder. " During testimony, witnesses portrayed Spin, founded in the mid-80's by Guccione, son of Penthouse magazine Publisher Bob Guccione Sr., as an environment where female employees "were sometimes subjected to unwanted touching and locker-room-style comments from male superiors and co-workers. Bonner said she received a crude proposition from one editor-writer and unwanted back rubs from a senior editor." Neither Guccione or his lawyers had a public reaction to the settlement. Top of page Laura Nyro Dead At 49 Cover art for 1993's Walk the Dog & Light [Nyro, Laura: sm-Walk The-cvr] the Light. Addicted To Noise correspondent Mitch Myers reports: Celebrated songstress Laura Nyro has died. The writer of numerous hits in the 1960's and 1970's including "Stoned Soul Picnic," "Stoney End," "Eli's Comin', " and "Wedding Bell Blues," passed away Tuesday (April 8) at her home in Danbury Connecticut. Nyro had been bravely fighting ovarian cancer. She was 49. One of the more significant female artists of her time, the Bronx-born musician recorded her first album in at the age of 19 and enjoyed incredible songwriting success with performers like the Fifth Dimension, Barbara Streisand and Blood, Sweat and Tears. An uncompromising recording artist, Laura Nyro was considered by some to be in the same musical league as Carole King and Joni Mitchell, songwriters who went on to become stars performing their own material. Nyro's incredible pop constructions were the unbridled synthesis of rock 'n' roll, folk, R&B, gospel, soul, doo-wop, Motown, Broadway and jazz. A distinctive singer who sometimes pushed her voice well beyond it's limits, Nyro was not always critically lauded. In 1967, she was ceremoniously booed at the Monterey Pop Festival. Her early albums recorded for Columbia Records are generally regarded as her finest and it would be difficult to pick only one as her definitive work. Those records, Eli and the Thirteenth Confession, New York Tendaberry, Christmas and the Beads of Sweat, and Gonna Take A Miracle, each display a different aspect of her dynamic talent and were all released before she retired (temporarily) at the age of twenty-four. Nyro made only six more albums between 1977 and 1993 while themes of motherhood, failed romance, feminism and animal rights gently crept into her music. A two-disc compilation titled Stone Soul Picnic: The Best Of Laura Nyro was released earlier this year on Columbia/Legacy and showcases each stage of her varied career. A tribute album for Nyro has also been in the works for some time and will be released this summer on Profile Records. Artists slated to appear on the tribute will include Rickie Lee Jones, Jane Siberry, Lucinda Williams, Terri Roche, Patty Larkin, Suzanne Vega, Sweet Honey in the Rock, and a number of others. A gifted and evocative artist, Laura Nyro's music touched the hearts of many. Her pervasive influence has yet to be fully measured and she will be sorely missed. Top of page A U. S. Robotics' Modem Could Be Yours x2 Technology is here! Addicted To Noise is giving you the opportunity to win one of two U.S. Robotics Sportster 56k modems every day for 56 days starting [US Robotics] March 10th. You can only enter once a day and winners are notified daily so the more you enter, the better your chances are at winning! << Use this link to enter now! >> Top of page ATN Columns: TV Eye On "3rd Rock From The Sun" By Billy Altman [3rd Rock From The Sun: sm-rock1] While we hate to get this month's installment of As The Tube Turns off on the wrong foot--yes, we know what you're thinking, which is "How many times over the last (has it actually been this long already?) twenty-something months have we actually succeeded in getting this column off on the right foot?" Well, if you don't tell, we won't either, okay?--but we feel we need to announce right at the outset that (and go ask ATN's illustrious editor if you don't believe it, because he'll vouch for us) [Ed. Note: Yes, it's true.] we had already decided that we were going to turn the TV EYE on the NBC sitcom "3rd Rock From The Sun" before the Heaven's Gate San Diego suicide thing happened. For a day or two we thought maybe we shouldn't get ino this whole funny aliens business because... <> Top of page You Say It's Your Birthday: Babyface [Stetzer, Brian: sm-Stetzer] Also Brian Setzer's day today. Today is the birthday of songwriter/producer Kenneth "Babyface" Edmonds, who was born in 1959 in Indianapolis, Indiana. Although Babyface (who earned his nickname from none other than Bootsy Collins) has enjoyed a successful career singing and writing his own songs, much of his critical acclaim comes from his behind-the-scenes work, writing songs and producing albums for such diverse acts as the Jacksons, Sheena Easton, Eric Clapton and TLC. He got his start working with Antonio "LA" Reid in Cincinnatti, Ohio; the duo met while working together in a band called the Deele, making three records with that group before striking out on their own to produce several "New Jack Swing" artists, Paula Abdul, Pebbles and Johnny Gill among them. Babyface and Reid moved to Atlanta, hoping to propagate a "southern Motown" movement. They formed LaFace records and were nominated for two Grammies in 1992 for their work on Boyz II Men's "End of the Road" single. They won again in 1994 for Whitney Houston's sountrack for the film The Bodyguard. Meanwhile, Babyface's records, beginning with 1987's Lovers, have made waves his silky, romantic R&B crooning; singles like "It's No Crime," "Whip Appeal" and "When Can I See You" have scored well on both the R&B and pop charts. After somewhat of a falling-out with Reid, Babyface was awarded two more Grammies in 1994 for his solo work, and won several more awards at this year's Grammies for his songwriting on "Change the World," a song performed by Eric Clapton. Other birthdays: Anthony Nunez (Nu Flavor), Sheb Wooley, Nathanel Nelson (Flamingos), Bobbie Smith (Spinners), Glen Campbell, Bobby Hatfield (Righteous Brothers), Bunny Wailer (Wailers), Brian Setzer (Stray Cats), Katrina Leskanich (Katrina & The Waves) and Malik "Phife-Dawg" Taylor (A Tribe Called Quest). -- Beth Winegarner Top of page Copyright © 1997 Addicted To Noise. All rights reserved. Please do not reprint entire Addicted To Noise news stories without written permission from Addicted To Noise. If you excerpt, rewrite, or in some way make use of portions of our news, attribute to: Addicted To Noise, the on-line rock & roll magazine - http://www.addict.com/ --------------7E031D32947-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Plump Subject: Re: Organic Festival - 1997 Date: 10 Apr 1997 11:20:17 -0700 (PDT) On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Lazlo Nibble wrote: > Steve has posted at least three times that Orbital are not going to be playing > at Organic this year. How many more times do you want him to say it before > you believe him? NEVER! I'll NEVER believe him! HAHAHAHAHA The power of thought ("I wish Orbital would play; I wish Orbital would play") is more porewful than any of Steve's so-called "knowledge." :-) Michael Plump ++ plumpy@orbital.hurrah.com ++ plumpy@magic.hurrah.com The following is gibberish: Tkjnksdn sdkjfs usi IUH sdfj sdfksdfyhks sdf? Please do NOT try to read that, as you may temporarily injure your brain. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: -Niall C Christie- Subject: Orb and Comets Date: 10 Apr 1997 19:48:34 +0100 (BST) Do you remember when that comet crashed into Jupiter, BBC 2 had a week long five minute computer graphics (I think) feature on it, and in the background of each of the five minute clips was ambient music. Am I right in thinking that this music was by The Orb? If so, was it specially composed for the series or was it taken from an album? Anyone know? (------- Niall C Christie -------) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: *thee dark star thief Subject: Re: Aphex Twin- Ventolin Date: 10 Apr 1997 13:45:26 -0400 (EDT) > one more thing- what does his remix of Devil's Haircut sound like? wonderful... mr. james really warped the song... beck's vocals sound like the speed on the record player's been pushed up to 45 from 33, and it's very electro... not very ambient at all, just a nice mutation of an equally cool song to begin with... ***************"MTV makes me want to smoke crack" - Beck**************** * * * "do your dreams replay the past? * * if not, what do your dreams forecast?" * * "every man and woman is a star tonight" - mbm * * * * "i'll be the sky above the ganges/i'll be the vast and stormy sea" * * -REM "be mine" * * * ****-the rainbow mindbath:http://www.netsync.net/users/jbriggs/jim3/**** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hugh Finney Subject: Your computer's settings. Date: 10 Apr 1997 12:03:50 -0700 > Received: from mail.xmission.com by mail.cruzio.com id aa22117; > 4 Apr 97 15:21 PST > Received: from domo by mail.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.61 #1) > =09id 0wDGqs-0003Le-00; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:48:54 -0700 > Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (mail-gw.pacbell.net [206.13.28.25]) by mail.xmission.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id OAA12718 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:48:20 -0700 (MST) > From: Orbital@pacbell.net > Received: from default (ppp-206-170-4-165.wnck11.pacbell.net [206.170.4.165]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA19345 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 13:47:38 -0800 (PST) > Message-ID: <3525594A.2D60@pacbell.net> > Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:48:58 -0800 Please re-set your year to 1997. Thank you. > X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win95; I) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: orbital@mail.xmission.com > Subject: Re: un orbital---heaven's gate > References: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sender: owner-orbital@xmission.com > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: orbital@mail.xmission.com > > I couldnt help wondering but wasnt "Some where out there" about > aliens??? DO they have anything to do with believeing? death cults? Kind > of makes you wonder... > .- > > > -- junk@cruzio.com Hugh Finney I've lived a lot and I've seen a lot and now I'm just letting go. I could point my fingers at the same old wrongs. The ones that we all know. But I've no love to give or hate to take. I hope you understand. And then I hear. Go to sleep. Go to sleep. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NEFYR@aol.com Subject: Re: what the hell does BTW mean? Date: 10 Apr 1997 17:03:32 -0400 (EDT) it does mean something else though i can't quite remeber joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cl Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 10 Apr 1997 16:24:36 -0500 > >> anymore? the radio played it every 20 minutes for 5 months??? > > turn it off. > not always possible; and agian, not the point. actually it is the point. you said the you didnt like the song because it had reached a saturation point. if you dont hear it as often you wont get sick of it. > but it is just as much that people want to hear what the radio plays. > 90% of the customers that ask for things are for bands that have no > talent (ie cravin' melon, matchbox20, sublime) that sell out our 20 > copies within 3 days. labels _PAY_ the stations to play certain songs so what are you talking about? have you ever heard of payola? it is illegal to pay radio stations to influence playlists. 1.people call and request songs. even ones you dont like. 2.radio plays song 3. advertisers pay radio station to air their commercials. 4. radio statio gets more money if they have more listeners. 5. radio tries to get lots of people to listen. that is why radio and tv are free. do some research. end of thread. cl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lysergic maximus Subject: chime remix Date: 10 Apr 1997 17:31:32 -0500 hi all... i just bought the 'only for the headstrong' compilation and must admit i was very disappointed... i bought it for the orbital remix (why else?) and found it to be substandard... way too little orbital and too much influence by the remixer... damn the bad luck! does anyone have a cd copy of 'mutations' they would be willing to part with? i'll pay a reasonable amount and shipping... please let me know... -lysergic * Post Mortem Telepathy, the lysergic dream mailing list! to subscribe send mail to: majordomo@hollyfeld.org with the command 'subscribe pm-telepathy email@addy'!* The Lysergic Dream - The Dark Beyond The Stars the new full length release, available NOW!!!! http://idt.net/~lyserg19 for more info ***coming soon - the cult of the dying streetlamp*** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lysergic maximus Subject: Re: Front242 Date: 10 Apr 1997 17:31:30 -0500 >i don't have any mixed by Underworld, but the Religion single (which is >wonderful) has 2 mixes by orb, 2 by prodigy,andy wallace, and 3 by J.G. >Thirlwell. for all your 242 ambient remix needs, check out mut@ge.mix@ge... its a compilation of various ambient mixes by the orb, prodigy, underworld and a few others... very tasty... ` -lysergic * Post Mortem Telepathy, the lysergic dream mailing list! to subscribe send mail to: majordomo@hollyfeld.org with the command 'subscribe pm-telepathy email@addy'!* The Lysergic Dream - The Dark Beyond The Stars the new full length release, available NOW!!!! http://idt.net/~lyserg19 for more info ***coming soon - the cult of the dying streetlamp*** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lysergic maximus Subject: the saint Date: 10 Apr 1997 17:31:28 -0500 hey all... saw the movie today... it was actually quite good, contrary to reports i've heard... the highpoint in my opinion was the fact that the saint stayed at a hotel called the Halcyon Hotel... i giggled for quite a while after they showed that... -lysergic * Post Mortem Telepathy, the lysergic dream mailing list! to subscribe send mail to: majordomo@hollyfeld.org with the command 'subscribe pm-telepathy email@addy'!* The Lysergic Dream - The Dark Beyond The Stars the new full length release, available NOW!!!! http://idt.net/~lyserg19 for more info ***coming soon - the cult of the dying streetlamp*** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: Change your damn heading! Date: 10 Apr 1997 17:48:49 -0500 That really big dork shit is getting old! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) -Reply Date: 10 Apr 1997 17:50:38 -0500 bands that have no > talent (iesublime) I will say this one time: SUBLIME DOES NOT SUCK! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lysergic maximus Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 10 Apr 1997 19:01:59 -0500 >what are you talking about? have you ever heard of payola? it is >illegal to pay radio stations to influence playlists. >1.people call and request songs. even ones you dont like. >2.radio plays song >3. advertisers pay radio station to air their commercials. >4. radio statio gets more money if they have more listeners. >5. radio tries to get lots of people to listen. >that is why radio and tv are free. do some research. >end of thread. haha... you're correct... major labels have no influence on MTV which in turn has no effect on radio playlists... to use your own points... advertisers (corporations) own record labels... as a radio programmer, given the choice of playing an indie label's releases or the major label owned by one of your major advertisers... hmmm... nope, money doesn't influence it at all... i don't think its a question of legality, but a question of money... turn off your radios and turn on your cd players... don't be force fed commercialized crap... listen to what you want to, when you want to... -lysergic * Post Mortem Telepathy, the lysergic dream mailing list! to subscribe send mail to: majordomo@hollyfeld.org with the command 'subscribe pm-telepathy email@addy'!* The Lysergic Dream - The Dark Beyond The Stars the new full length release, available NOW!!!! http://idt.net/~lyserg19 for more info ***coming soon - the cult of the dying streetlamp*** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. TAYLOR" Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 10 Apr 1997 19:30:54 -0600 (MDT) Orbital ? at end of this crap. Hey I work at a radio station (5 years, college), study broadcasting, and my good friend and ex-roommate is on her way to becoming a top DJ. in a major market in Louisana. (Resume) Radio stations do have playlists. Radio stations also do not have money to buy cds, in order to get new releases we have to write labels and they send us whomever they wish to promote. 2 of my friends, John and Amy worked as music director for the last yr. Music director catelogs all music played (playlists) and catelogs the top 10. This info is sent to CMJ, and all major labels we have dealings with.(Right now the one station I work for is top 10 in the nation for college radio stations, which means they do what they're told.) This means playing whatever the labels most want to promote. Exper. has shown this is not old mater. but new artists. Usually malable artists w/ low drive. They will re-release old mater. for profit, but new artists are more bang for the buck. We get new cd's, promos, and internships & job prospects for playing them. Not to mention tickets and backstage passes, no shit. This is bad enough but now w/ satellite stations are cutting back on nit D.J.s and owners are forcing music directors to play identical music to the satellite (crap) Even rare Floyd, Black Crowes, and of coarse bands like Orb and Orbital are then forced off the playlist in turn for more conventional music. Unless promoters can convince owners, satellite, and advertizers it's the next big thing. Foreign imports are also harder to get for free, as shipping costs suck. U.S. Labels still are dying by the grunge agenda until forced out of it. That's fake punk-rock for you laymen. ORBITAL ORBITAL ORBITAL ORBITAL ORBITAL- Who's seen the Saint e-mail me back and tell me how it compares to Bond, oh why couldn't it have been Sean Connery that Edinburgh babe? On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, lysergic maximus wrote: > >what are you talking about? have you ever heard of payola? it is > >illegal to pay radio stations to influence playlists. > >1.people call and request songs. even ones you dont like. > >2.radio plays song > >3. advertisers pay radio station to air their commercials. > >4. radio statio gets more money if they have more listeners. > >5. radio tries to get lots of people to listen. > >that is why radio and tv are free. do some research. > >end of thread. > > haha... you're correct... major labels have no influence on MTV which in > turn has no effect on radio playlists... to use your own points... > advertisers (corporations) own record labels... as a radio programmer, > given the choice of playing an indie label's releases or the major label > owned by one of your major advertisers... hmmm... nope, money doesn't > influence it at all... i don't think its a question of legality, but a > question of money... turn off your radios and turn on your cd players... > don't be force fed commercialized crap... listen to what you want to, when > you want to... > > > -lysergic > > > > * Post Mortem Telepathy, the lysergic dream mailing list! to subscribe > send mail to: > majordomo@hollyfeld.org with the command 'subscribe pm-telepathy > email@addy'!* > > The Lysergic Dream - The Dark Beyond The Stars > the new full length release, available NOW!!!! > http://idt.net/~lyserg19 for more info > ***coming soon - the cult of the dying > streetlamp*** > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Zahir" Subject: 123... Date: 10 Apr 1997 23:13:03 -0400 ok so what's the deal with all this? is there anything else i should know? earthling (( zahir--> zahir@globalserve.net )) (( " In our sight, Miss Moneypenny... )) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cl Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 10 Apr 1997 22:55:26 -0500 lysergic maximus wrote: > > >what are you talking about? have you ever heard of payola? it is > >illegal to pay radio stations to influence playlists. > >1.people call and request songs. even ones you dont like. > >2.radio plays song > >3. advertisers pay radio station to air their commercials. > >4. radio statio gets more money if they have more listeners. > >5. radio tries to get lots of people to listen. > >that is why radio and tv are free. do some research. > >end of thread. > > haha... you're correct... major labels have no influence on MTV which in > turn has no effect on radio playlists... to use your own points... > advertisers (corporations) own record labels... as a radio programmer, > given the choice of playing an indie label's releases or the major label > owned by one of your major advertisers... hmmm... nope, money doesn't > influence it at all... i don't think its a question of legality, but apparently you have difficulty reading. what i wrote was "it is illegal for labels to pay stations to alter playlists" that is true. i did not however say that there is no influence. of course big labels can put forth all sorts of incentives and have the upper hand, but it still comes down to the listeners no matter what you write. (obviously some stations have rigid formats-oldies for instance, that dont change) for instance- in chicago we have q101, big time "alternative". they tried to push metallicas new stuff. nobody wanted it, they stopped playing it. do you think their label decided to pull it? cl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Morpheus Subject: Re: just a thought.... Date: 10 Apr 1997 00:36:03 -0700 Yah! I'm in complete agreement. Prodigy has gone for the popular sound which is to have vocals in your traks. They never did have this before, and they did ok, and as soon as Firestarter came out, with vocals, they're hugely known. I think that prodigy is looking for money and not good music. experience is classic techno at it's best, and jilted is one of the best overall album I've ever heard. And their new one, let's just say I'm disappointed in Liam Howlett (who is pretty much my idol) for creating that shit. Mindub808@aol.com wrote: > > If you were around when "Experience" was released, or even when "Everybody Is > In The Place" was only on 12" and you heard it out at a party, YOU WOULD HAVE > DANCED!! Those tracks are historic in shaping what we have today. Anyone who > was around knows what I am talking about. This "new rock dynamic" that you > are referring to is what makes them suck now. -- Cya Morpheus Morpheus Productions: http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus Morpheus@xl.ca _ _ _____ ____ ____ _ _ ____ _ _ _____ / |/ | | _ | | __ \ | __ \ | |_| | / __\ | | | | | __| / | | / | | | \/ / | \/ / | _ | \ \ | | | | \ \ / /\/ | | |_/ | | \ | _/ | | | | / /__ | |_| | __\ \ /__/ |_| |_____| |_|\_\ |_| |_| |_| \____/ \_____/ |_____| _____________________________________________________________ |_____________________________________________________________| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Morpheus Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 10 Apr 1997 00:43:55 -0700 would you two give this shit up already. I'm sure everyone on this list is getting pissed off. If you want to bitch at each other, do it privately! cl wrote: > > > >> anymore? the radio played it every 20 minutes for 5 months??? > > > turn it off. > > not always possible; and agian, not the point. > actually it is the point. you said the you didnt like the song because > it had reached a saturation point. if you dont hear it as often you > wont get sick of it. > > > but it is just as much that people want to hear what the radio plays. > > 90% of the customers that ask for things are for bands that have no > > talent (ie cravin' melon, matchbox20, sublime) that sell out our 20 > > copies within 3 days. labels _PAY_ the stations to play certain songs so > what are you talking about? have you ever heard of payola? it is > illegal to pay radio stations to influence playlists. > 1.people call and request songs. even ones you dont like. > 2.radio plays song > 3. advertisers pay radio station to air their commercials. > 4. radio statio gets more money if they have more listeners. > 5. radio tries to get lots of people to listen. > that is why radio and tv are free. do some research. > end of thread. > cl -- Cya Morpheus Morpheus Productions: http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus Morpheus@xl.ca _ _ _____ ____ ____ _ _ ____ _ _ _____ / |/ | | _ | | __ \ | __ \ | |_| | / __\ | | | | | __| / | | / | | | \/ / | \/ / | _ | \ \ | | | | \ \ / /\/ | | |_/ | | \ | _/ | | | | / /__ | |_| | __\ \ /__/ |_| |_____| |_|\_\ |_| |_| |_| \____/ \_____/ |_____| _____________________________________________________________ |_____________________________________________________________| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael P. Gaudet" Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 11 Apr 1997 03:12:56 -0500 (CDT) > Hey I work at a radio station (5 years, college), study broadcasting, and > my good friend and ex-roommate is on her way to becoming a top DJ. in a > major market in Louisana. (Resume) We have a major market in Louisiana? I'm from New Orleans, and I guess that MIGHT count. :) > bands like Orb and Orbital are then forced off the playlist in turn for > more conventional music. The Zephyr (106.1) does alright by me -- they were the first place I heard about Orbital playing the House of Blues last Thanksgiving, they played parts of The Box, and they use Orbital tracks for promos (The Moebius) and music beds pretty often. Too bad I heard the Zeph. is chaning formats & owners...please tell me it's not true! Mike -- =Michael Gaudet= internet://mpg@engr.latech.edu voice://+1.318.257.2170 postal://box.4168.ts:ruston.la:71272 http://www.latech.edu/~mpg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Flynn Subject: Re: S.A.L.T. & the ramblings of a madman ! Date: 12 Apr 1997 18:45:12 +1000 I know irrelevant flaming is the malaise of this list, so apologies in advance. I simply HAVE to say this to Mark S-D and Michael Plump. Then no more. Gawd, what a load of codswallop. There is NO plan to put barcodes on people. Can you imagine the outcry if ANYONE seriously proposed doing that. Not even in North Korea could a government get away with it. The people who suggest that that kind of thing is going to happen because it was predicted in the bible are somewhat deranged in my opinion. I haven't heard the Orb track in question, but I would suspect that the reason that speech is used to discredit those views, not to spread them. While I'm here, all UFOs are either man-made or natural phenomena wrongly interpreted; the devil does not exist; the bible is a very old and unreliable collection of allegorical stories; there is no conspiracy for the UN to establish one world government. There is a plague of gullibility around at the moment... the people who have got it worst blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City, or killed themselves in San Diego, or think the X-Files is a documentary. The people with mild doses ....well, they seem to be everywhere. Here's a token Orbital bit...when I saw our boys at the "Welcome 92" dance party in a Qantas aircraft hangar in Sydney, one of them was wearing a T-shirt with a UFO picture and the words "UFOs are Real". That suggests to me that my favourite group doesn't share my hardcore skepticism. Lucky the music's brilliant. At 10:39 PM 4/9/97 +0100, you wrote: >Michael Plump wrote.... >>Then he talks about how today's "mark of the devil" is "the barcode, the >>ubiqutous barcode" and soon they will want to tatoo a barcode on your >>right hand or forehead JUST AS PROPHESIED IN THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS. >>a) is that true? i.e. is anyone _really_ talking about tatooing barcodes >>on people? I'm thinking it would have to be in China or something... >Who knows thee truth ? It's open to lots of different interpretations, >people fall for one and get freaked out. One way of looking at it is >that if you take it not as being totally literal, you could connect it >with credit & ID cards, databases etc....& the ever growing desire of Home Email: jjf@matra.com.au Work Email: jonathan.flynn@sbs.com.au WWW: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jjf "...we want the finest wines known to humanity!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lysergic maximus Subject: Re: S.A.L.T. & the ramblings of a madman ! Date: 11 Apr 1997 05:12:41 -0500 At 06:45 PM 4/12/97 +1000, you wrote: >I know irrelevant flaming is the malaise of this list, so apologies in >advance. I simply HAVE to say this to Mark S-D and Michael Plump. Then no >more. > >Gawd, what a load of codswallop. There is NO plan to put barcodes on >people. Can you imagine the outcry if ANYONE seriously proposed doing that. >Not even in North Korea could a government get away with it. T you may think so now but i can definitely see a move towards it... take for instance the marking of pets with a microchip... can't be far behind that those microchips start finding their way into humans... first the military as a testbed, maybe into convicted criminals (who's gonna defend convicts that much?) and eventually into new born babies... its coming, no mistaking, in one form or another... you may discount it as paranoia, if so, take a look around at the world we live in... -lysergic * Post Mortem Telepathy, the lysergic dream mailing list! to subscribe send mail to: majordomo@hollyfeld.org with the command 'subscribe pm-telepathy email@addy'!* The Lysergic Dream - The Dark Beyond The Stars the new full length release, available NOW!!!! http://idt.net/~lyserg19 for more info ***coming soon - the cult of the dying streetlamp*** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Seamus (James) Swift" Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 11 Apr 1997 10:40:16 +0100 |would you two give this shit up already. I'm sure everyone on this list |is getting pissed off. If you want to bitch at each other, do it |privately! | Actually I'm finding this thread interesting. Keep it up. But get rid of the abuse. } "We allready know HOW Mr. Cow } what we want to know is WHY, WHY, } why now Brown Cow" G. Larson } } whois@griffin.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) -Reply Date: 11 Apr 1997 12:04:51 +0100 "Morpheus" writes > I think it would be nice for Orbital >to finally be established in Vancouver, but I just hope that there work >isn't abused by the money hungry thieves at the radio. >> IMHO I think the worst thing that can happen to Orbital is that they become *fashionable*. When something is fashionable, like Britpop was about a year ago in the UK, it soon becomes unfashionable. At this point it is hard for the original fans to stay with the band - if they keep the same formula. In the UK, at the moment, some of the "Britpop" bands like Supergrass and Blur are re-inventing themselves with a new, harder edged guitar sound. I like Orbital's formula for making for making music, which is - not to have a formula :). Satan Live did so well in the UK because it was quite accessable and well...catchy. I really like the song, but I don't want *every* Orbital release to sound like that. I don't want to see the music Orbital produce be dictated to by current fashion and trends. I hope (and believe) that P&P know better than this. rant, rant, troll, rant, IMHO, rant etc :) p.s note the new sig -- Tim "If the bottom falls out of you world, have a strong curry and lots of warm lager and see the world fall out your bottom." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gregory Drew Subject: Re: S.A.L.T. & the ramblings of a madman Date: 11 Apr 1997 08:25:02 -0400 You'll have to excuse the lack of mail editing but I'm using a different account to read than to post. All I've really got to say (since my last post never made it) is that it HAS been proposed to use barcodes or microchips "in" people. Even in the movie he refers to it having being already tested in some military programme. His speech is also not looking to discredit those views, rather he's arguing for them. I am, however, not big on jumping on bandwagons and nor overly paranoid but, after watching how the world is functioning these days, I would not put it past "the authorities" to at least try to implement it. Just watch Naked and decide about his speech (and the song) later. greg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@capgemini.co.uk Subject: re:ORGANIC - The "Official" NewS! Date: 11 Apr 1997 14:08:39 BST Right, Ive just spoken to Rob (the Orbital Manager) about Organic. He said that at the time of speaking (11/04/97 - 13:57) they are NOT doing Organic as they are toooo busy. But and this is a BIG but....London records are putting pressure on them doing Organic and to quote Rob he said "they have a gun to my head...". Monday i should find out more so ill post then....but for the time being NO THEY AINT DOING ORGANIC. Steve LOOPZ Price. Orbital Zine. http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Subject: Aphex Twin sucks.....Mixmag {Offtopic} Date: 11 Apr 1997 12:13:19 +0100 Seeing that nobody is taking about orbital these days.... :) I saw an snippet about an interview with Aphex twin in Mixmag. Interviewer: "So when you sell music for TV ads are you sucking commercial cock?" Aphex Twin : "erm [terrible pause]....erm yeah, totally" Does anybody know what advert the interview is talking about? p.s note the new sig -- Tim "If the bottom falls out of you world, have a strong curry and lots of warm lager and see the world fall out your bottom." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ed naylor Subject: Re: Aphex Twin sucks.....Mixmag {Offtopic} Date: 11 Apr 1997 15:34:22 -0400 (EDT) > Interviewer: "So when you sell music for TV ads are you sucking > commercial cock?" > Aphex Twin : "erm [terrible pause]....erm yeah, totally" > > Does anybody know what advert the interview is talking about? > Wasn't it the Pirelli advert with Carl Lewis running around New York with rubber feet? Don't know the tune title though. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aimee Merritt Subject: Aphex Twin sucks.....Mixmag {Offtopic} -Reply Date: 11 Apr 1997 08:17:55 -0800 Pirelli tires ad. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HA360410@ntu.ac.uk (Spud Wizard strikes back) Subject: Re: what the hell does BTW mean? Date: 11 Apr 1997 15:51:38 +0100 It means by the way, nothing else... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Deng Subject: Re: just a thought.... Date: 11 Apr 1997 11:36:52 -0600 (CST) Everyone keeps slagging bands for what they consider "selling out" and ceasing to become innovative artists. While it is all fine and dandy for us (as spectators) to do this, nobody bothers to even see what the artists themselves think. Yes, this may be impossible and blahty-blah-blah, but truthfully do they care what a small collection of often obviously elitist fans think? Or more to the point, someone mentioned how disappointed with Liam Howlett they were because the Prodigy's latest album was such drivel. I love how everyone assaults them because of their vocals in songs (much more now than before) and other bands who become popular in a similar method. Until someone definitively proves to me that becoming "mainstream" asphyxiates all creative intellect, I will be very skeptical about that line of attack. In order to crack the U.S. market, many labels are encouraging electronic bands to play live gigs and cut a few singles with vocals for each album. Does this discredit all the other music they made, make, or will make? If you think so, you are just as bad as the ignorant masses who make a decision not based upon rational interest but upon blind acceptance. Point two (one that has been brought up before) is that bands need to make money. The hypocrisy of most of this list and similarly-minded ones becomes evident by attacking bands for attempting to become popular. Many artists become involved not only for a creative outlet, but also for rewards, whether financial or psychological. To proclaim the death of creative, innovative music by an artist because they "sell out" denies that artist the rights they deserve -- mainly to make money. For those of you who say Prodigy or Underworld or Chem. Bros have sold out because they appeal to mass audiences in the interest of pure greed (as many of you would have it) is the supreme irony when it is considered that many of the people saying this are enrolled in a university or college. What is a university or college but an investment in the future? Delayed gratification now for increased earning power later. I am sure many will disagree with me (and I can accept that) but that does not change the point. Anyway, I am sorry for wasting your time. Intelligent discussion of music is a highlight of this list. Don't waste my or others' time flailing and flaming. Opinions of all sorts are to be respected except those that belittle. Keep that in mind the next time that you attempt to flame a band or artist with nothing in the way of intelligent proof. J ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Deng Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 11 Apr 1997 11:40:45 -0600 (CST) On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Michael P. Gaudet wrote: > > Hey I work at a radio station (5 years, college), study broadcasting, and > > my good friend and ex-roommate is on her way to becoming a top DJ. in a > > major market in Louisana. (Resume) > > We have a major market in Louisiana? I'm from New Orleans, > and I guess that MIGHT count. :) > Maybe she meant Q-93 ;) or any of the Christian stations .... J ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hobo Bojo Man Subject: Re: what the hell does BTW mean? Date: 11 Apr 1997 15:49:26 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Spud Wizard strikes back wrote: > It means by the way, nothing else... > Actually it means Butt Tidy Wipe, but thats just MHO. I am the terry cloth God!!!! cpark@osprey.unf.edu Bow down and wash with me!!!! djfly@faraday.ee.unf.edu cpark@resourcecenter.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: strout@roch803.mc.xerox.com (Sean Strout) Subject: forever Date: 11 Apr 1997 13:46:54 PDT hi, anyone know where the vocal samples from 'forever' come from? thx, -s. pointless debate #180: should americans spell it "sniviliZation"? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FishyT99@aol.com Subject: Re: S.A.L.T. & the ramblings of a madman ! Date: 11 Apr 1997 19:51:10 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-04-11 06:24:32 EDT, you write: << b) what does he mean by this quote "every barcode is divided into two >parts by the free markets, and those free markets are represented by the >number '6666'" What is he talking about? What are the "free markets"? >And what does the number 6666 have to do with them? >> I believe that he's saying "every barcode is divided in two parts by three markers...." And I also think he's just mentioning the fact that virtually everything we buy has a barcode on it, not that we're literally going to have barcodes tattooed on us or what ever.....and there have been plans bandied about regarding using our handprints and such in place of credit cards, etc.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FishyT99@aol.com Subject: Re: Orbital Vids and Comments on the List Date: 11 Apr 1997 19:55:21 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-04-11 06:43:41 EDT, you write: << I think the mailing list could be much better- an informative, intelligent atmosphere in which people, regardless of nationality, age, and computer preference, can talk about Orbital and argue the quality of their work, along with other related artists (influences, remixes, etc.) Maybe if each of us reconsider the purpose of the list and keep this in mind we can change...(sorry, if I sound to utopian). >> I don't know how long you've been a member of the list, so forgive me if I sound like an idiot =) I think that the list sounded a lot like you described just a few short months ago....unfortunately, people are going to argue about silly things no matter what the context. I'll admit that I've considered unsubscribing too, but there's still enough good info on here, and the occasional good debate, that I'm willing to stick around ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clerc2@pe.net Subject: stem Date: 11 Apr 1997 16:48:44 -0800 yeah, there is a version like that- its the only one i know of, and the one that, by chance, i just bought an hour ago. its pretty damn good! its on a 7inch, called stem (cops 'n' robbers). the bside is "red bus needs to leave" Ryan ...so I thought to myself, "what would God do in this situation?" Then it came to me. Locusts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jon m magee Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 11 Apr 1997 22:23:35 -0500 (CDT) whoa!!! zephyr is changing formats...well i guess the end just came over them... i'm from New Orleans too... and i'm into orbital, i tried to camp out in front of house of blues...but unfortunately the music couldn't be heard outside of the place..:( well laterz <-----O-----> Oblivion (jmm05@gnofn.org) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wunderkint@aol.com Subject: Inside 'In sides' Date: 12 Apr 1997 04:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Well I forked over the cash to buy In Sides again. But I have to admit that it was almost worth the $13. I espescially liked the newer drum loops in Satan and of course Jon's solo backed by Belinda in Halcyon. Also I have to admit that even though Ive never seen a show (yet), the vibe of the live stuff is awesome. I liked Saint and Sinner, but hafta say that it wasnt the main reason I bought this one. Well, theres my $.02, hope to see even more new stuff from the brothers soon! Dr. Vasew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Morpheus Subject: Re: just a thought.... Date: 11 Apr 1997 02:08:37 -0700 ok Mr. intelligent man. how would you feel if your favourite group suddenly started making shit music to satisfy the needs of the media? Would you feel this same way. What if Orbital (although they wouldn't) started making shitty, uncreative, undetailed, music because some unappreciative fans love it? You would be pissed off and stop listening to them. So sorry if I feel that Liam Howlett is not using his full potential. I think that he is a genius and I am not discrediting him, but saying that he has the gift to make amazing music, but he has ceased to use it. I love the prodigy and always will, I just think that instead of rushing a song out, they should take some more time like they used to. So next time get the whole story before trying to infultrate the rest of us. And about that money shit. I think the prodigy will make, in case you haven't nopticed buddy, they're fuckin rich and to go for more money is only being greedy. If a band comes out with a second album, it's only because the first one did very well on the markets. So don't say that they are looking out for their futures by doing media drivin music, they looked out for their futures when they made experience. And to all of you who don't care about this ordeal, sorry for wating your time, but the message proceding this really annoyed me. Deng wrote: > > Everyone keeps slagging bands for what they consider "selling out" and > ceasing to become innovative artists. While it is all fine and dandy for > us (as spectators) to do this, nobody bothers to even see what the > artists themselves think. Yes, this may be impossible and > blahty-blah-blah, but truthfully do they care what a small collection of > often obviously elitist fans think? > Or more to the point, someone mentioned how disappointed with Liam > Howlett they were because the Prodigy's latest album was such drivel. > I love how everyone assaults them because of their vocals in songs (much > more now than before) and other bands who become popular in a similar > method. Until someone definitively proves to me that becoming > "mainstream" asphyxiates all creative intellect, I will be very skeptical > about that line of attack. In order to crack the U.S. market, many > labels are encouraging electronic bands to play live gigs and cut a few > singles with vocals for each album. Does this discredit all the other > music they made, make, or will make? If you think so, you are just as > bad as the ignorant masses who make a decision not based upon rational > interest but upon blind acceptance. > Point two (one that has been brought up before) is that bands need to > make money. The hypocrisy of most of this list and similarly-minded ones > becomes evident by attacking bands for attempting to become popular. > Many artists become involved not only for a creative outlet, but also for > rewards, whether financial or psychological. To proclaim the death of > creative, innovative music by an artist because they "sell out" denies > that artist the rights they deserve -- mainly to make money. For those > of you who say Prodigy or Underworld or Chem. Bros have sold out because > they appeal to mass audiences in the interest of pure greed (as many of > you would have it) is the supreme irony when it is considered that many > of the people saying this are enrolled in a university or college. What > is a university or college but an investment in the future? Delayed > gratification now for increased earning power later. I am sure many will > disagree with me (and I can accept that) but that does not change the point. > Anyway, I am sorry for wasting your time. Intelligent discussion of > music is a highlight of this list. Don't waste my or others' time > flailing and flaming. Opinions of all sorts are to be respected except > those that belittle. Keep that in mind the next time that you attempt to > flame a band or artist with nothing in the way of intelligent proof. > > J -- Cya Morpheus Morpheus Productions: http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus Morpheus@xl.ca _ _ _____ ____ ____ _ _ ____ _ _ _____ / |/ | | _ | | __ \ | __ \ | |_| | / __\ | | | | | __| / | | / | | | \/ / | \/ / | _ | \ \ | | | | \ \ / /\/ | | |_/ | | \ | _/ | | | | / /__ | |_| | __\ \ /__/ |_| |_____| |_|\_\ |_| |_| |_| \____/ \_____/ |_____| _____________________________________________________________ |_____________________________________________________________| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Morpheus Subject: Daft Punk Date: 11 Apr 1997 02:13:54 -0700 Hey, what is everyone's opinions on Daft Punk. I think that their music is great. It's very catchy and makes you want to rave, although it is quite repetative. But never the less, i think that quite abit of the new electronica is getting that way. I am not saying that these groups suck because of it, I'm just stating that it's happening. -- Cya Morpheus Morpheus Productions: http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus Morpheus@xl.ca _ _ _____ ____ ____ _ _ ____ _ _ _____ / |/ | | _ | | __ \ | __ \ | |_| | / __\ | | | | | __| / | | / | | | \/ / | \/ / | _ | \ \ | | | | \ \ / /\/ | | |_/ | | \ | _/ | | | | / /__ | |_| | __\ \ /__/ |_| |_____| |_|\_\ |_| |_| |_| \____/ \_____/ |_____| _____________________________________________________________ |_____________________________________________________________| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: SALT & the ramblings of "ME" Date: 12 Apr 1997 12:06:52 +0100 Jonathan Flynn wrote.... >I know irrelevant flaming is the malaise of this list, so apologies in >advance. I simply HAVE to say this to Mark S-D and Michael Plump. Then no >more. > 'Irrelevant flaming', yep, I agree. I'll consider myself wrongly flamed then, I almost feel better already. :P >Gawd, what a load of codswallop. There is NO plan to put barcodes on >people. I didn't say there was, the bloke from the film Naked did. There is a move towards more information being gathered on people though, and I was just pointing out one possible interpretation showing why someone might think there was a correlation between the prophecy and a "possible" future. I know I havn't a clue about what is going to happen, I don't even know that much about the present. I would never say I had such "knowledge" myself, so as to if it's true or bollocks I firmly believe that I have no idea on that one & Michael was just asking a question. >While I'm here, all UFOs are either man-made or natural phenomena wrongly >interpreted; the devil does not exist; the bible is a very old and >unreliable collection of allegorical stories; there is no conspiracy for >the UN to establish one world government. > I agree. Except to add that aliens could exist all the same, the devil does exist but not in a material form only in some peoples minds, stories are still important especially if people learn from them, and the UN could be seen as a world goverment - just a very ineffective and unrepresentative one. >Here's a token Orbital bit...when I saw our boys at the "Welcome 92" dance >party in a Qantas aircraft hangar in Sydney, one of them was wearing a >T-shirt with a UFO picture and the words "UFOs are Real". That suggests to >me that my favourite group doesn't share my hardcore skepticism. Or they were taking the piss. :) I've seen they do that sometimes. Besides UFO's are real. 'Unidentified'....flying.....objects DO exist, go back to your own definition of what they are. :P > Lucky the >music's brilliant. > :) :) >"...we want the finest wines known to humanity!" >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- (great film too). Can't argue with your tastes ! -- Mark S-D Please remove the *no spam* from my address when using reply. Thankyou. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Re: forever Date: 12 Apr 1997 13:33:30 GMT a hardcore raver spouted forth the following lies: >hi, anyone know where the vocal samples from 'forever' come from? >thx, >-s. > >pointless debate #180: should americans spell it "sniviliZation"? well if you're going to do that, why don't you call them "The Orbital" as well and get a slap 'round the chops! :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: *thee dark star thief Subject: Re: Daft Punk Date: 12 Apr 1997 08:37:04 -0400 (EDT) hmmm... daft punk have no creative genius like orbital, which is not to say their music is not fun and all in all, damn good... makes me want to dance like mad... i even do when i'm playing them on my radio show :) but it's nothing i could just sit and listen to, y'know? *jim ***************"MTV makes me want to smoke crack" - Beck**************** * * * "do your dreams replay the past? * * if not, what do your dreams forecast?" * * "every man and woman is a star tonight" - mbm * * * * "i'll be the sky above the ganges/i'll be the vast and stormy sea" * * -REM "be mine" * * * ****-the rainbow mindbath:http://www.netsync.net/users/jbriggs/jim3/**** On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Morpheus wrote: > Hey, > > what is everyone's opinions on Daft Punk. I think that their music is > great. It's very catchy and makes you want to rave, although it is > quite repetative. But never the less, i think that quite abit of the > new electronica is getting that way. I am not saying that these groups > suck because of it, I'm just stating that it's happening. > -- > Cya > Morpheus > > > Morpheus Productions: > http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus > Morpheus@xl.ca > > > _ _ _____ ____ ____ _ _ ____ _ _ _____ > / |/ | | _ | | __ \ | __ \ | |_| | / __\ | | | | | __| > / | | / | | | \/ / | \/ / | _ | \ \ | | | | \ \ > / /\/ | | |_/ | | \ | _/ | | | | / /__ | |_| | __\ \ > /__/ |_| |_____| |_|\_\ |_| |_| |_| \____/ \_____/ |_____| > _____________________________________________________________ > |_____________________________________________________________| > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: Come on you dorks. Date: 12 Apr 1997 15:02:06 +0100 >IMHO I think the worst thing that can happen to Orbital is that they >become *fashionable*. Just think about why you like Orbital. That's all I'm going to say, I've done wordy explanations before but it seems I just waste my energy. > When something is fashionable, like Britpop was >about a year ago in the UK, it soon becomes unfashionable. At this point >it is hard for the original fans to stay with the band - if they keep >the same formula. Why ? I can understand that it's possible to play a record to the point where it's doesn't have so much of an impact. But with me at least I find it quite hard to do with Orbitals records, I've played and played them for years now - and if I should get bored I just put it away and come back to it later and get into it again, besides I listen to lots of stuff. The fashionable / unfashionable thing just isn't much of an issue for me, it's a bonus when you're at an event and theres so many people - I kind of like that I never thought things should be another way, the music is good enough to be worthy of the attention IMO. If it should become unfashionable and I still like the music I'll be into it away, I'll dance in a small croud doesn't bother me either way. Enjoy whats happening now and don't concern yourself with fashion trends is what my advice is, works for me. Oooh, that was a bit wordy. So I'm a hypocrite, I admit it ! >I hope (and believe) that P&P know better than this. > They do what they like, that's always been my impresion. We owe them nothing but thanks for the music, loyality is kind of sweet but it's an optional extra I think ! Get into whatever you want, it's your choice after all ! (Heh heh) >rant, rant, troll, rant, IMHO, rant etc :) > Yeah, do that myself sometimes.... -- Mark S-D Please remove the *no spam* from my address when using reply. Thankyou. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: McFinky Wack Subject: Re: Daft Punk Date: 12 Apr 1997 11:13:34 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Morpheus wrote: > what is everyone's opinions on Daft Punk. I think that their music is > great. It's very catchy and makes you want to rave, although it is > quite repetative. But never the less, i think that quite abit of the > new electronica is getting that way. I am not saying that these groups > suck because of it, I'm just stating that it's happening. i think daft punk is pretty cool, but definitely not as talented as a group like orbital. they can definitely put together some catchy stuff. i would say their one of the better of the newer electronica groups, but so many of them put out the same repetitive crap. - thomas /--------------------------------------------------\ | now the body of one soul i adore wants to die | | you have always told me you'd not live past 25 | | i say stay long enough to repay | | all who caused strife | | - alice in chains | \--------------------------------------------------/ thomas f. slattery iv scrap, inc. stevens institute of technology ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FishyT99@aol.com Subject: Re: Daft Punk Date: 12 Apr 1997 11:13:33 -0400 (EDT) I really like Daft Punk's album, but after the 7th track or so, I can't differentiate between the songs.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: McFinky Wack Subject: Re: Inside 'In sides' Date: 12 Apr 1997 11:36:55 -0400 (EDT) On Sat, 12 Apr 1997 Wunderkint@aol.com wrote: > Well I forked over the cash to buy In Sides again. But I have to admit > that it was almost worth the $13. I espescially liked the newer drum loops > in Satan and of course Jon's solo backed by Belinda in Halcyon. Also I have > to admit that even though Ive never seen a show (yet), the vibe of the live > stuff is awesome. > I liked Saint and Sinner, but hafta say that it wasnt the main reason I > bought this one. Well, theres my $.02, hope to see even more new stuff from > the brothers soon! what is different with the new in sides? i saw it says now includes the saint single, is that simply the single with the saint, the box, and the sinner on it? or is this a completely different version? thanks for any info you can give me. - thomas /--------------------------------------------------\ | now the body of one soul i adore wants to die | | you have always told me you'd not live past 25 | | i say stay long enough to repay | | all who caused strife | | - alice in chains | \--------------------------------------------------/ thomas f. slattery iv scrap, inc. stevens institute of technology ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@capgemini.co.uk Subject: re:WTF does Steve know ? Date: 12 Apr 1997 16:59:15 BST Check the LOOPZ NEWS PAGE out - NEWS UPDATED. (URL at bottom) But... Reply to Michael Plump >>How many more times do you want him to say it before >> you believe him? >NEVER! I'll NEVER believe him! HAHAHAHAHA >The power of thought ("I wish Orbital would play; I wish Orbital would >play") is more porewful than any of Steve's so-called "knowledge." Hehehehe...keep on dreaming! ;) Like i said ill check on the ORGANIC front on Monday....if Jones (the man who deals with the press) says NO and their Manager is saying NO and when i last spoke to Phil and Paul they said NO, then it might be NO. Its a bit shocking that the "Rolling Stones" mag said they were and the various web-sites also advertise this... I think by next week we all shall know if ORBITAL are playing ORGANIC. Cheers Steve LOOPZ Price. Orbital Zine. Loopz Web Site - Cut N Paste - Case Sensitive http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: Blah (sorry, not Orbital related) Date: 12 Apr 1997 15:25:41 +0100 Blah, blahblahblah, grumble 1.Blah 2.Blah & tut tutty tut. (much finger wagging) 3&4. Blah blah Grrr. 5. No. 6. Pah. BBB L AA H H B B L A A H H Http:www.blah.com/hmmblahgrr.html BBB L AAAA HHHH B B L A A H H "Grrr, blah is blah hmmmm yes" BBB LLL A A H H - A.Blah Hope that helps. -- Mark S-D (being a bit "tut tut" today) Please remove the *no spam* from my address when using reply. Thankyou. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: what does IMHO mean? Date: 12 Apr 1997 11:31:51 -0500 Are all of you guys part of some secret acronym club or something? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: re:IMHO Date: 12 Apr 1997 11:34:33 -0500 Never mind I figured it out: In My Humble Opinion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@capgemini.co.uk Subject: re:IRC meetup - Sun 1900 GMT Date: 12 Apr 1997 17:49:05 BST If interested - trying to organise a meetup on the ORBITAL channel on UNDERNET at 1900GMT SUNDAY (Just after the Orbital chart position is aired) - Bet is on number 4. Point ur IRC software (WWW.MIRC.CO.UK - if u need the software) to UK.UNDERNET.ORG or chicago.il.us.Undernet.org or whatever on port 7000,8000 etc and then join the ORBITAL channel. Steve LOOPZ Price. etc etc etc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: *thee dark star thief Subject: Re: Come on you dorks. Date: 12 Apr 1997 12:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Mark S-D wrote: > for me, it's a bonus when you're at an event and theres so many people i must disagree. just my opinion but i like small group/small venue intimacy... it gives you a chance to be a few feet away from the group and really surrounded by more hardcore fans... for instance when i saw meat beat i was able to talk to all of the band in addition to LX Paterson and Single Cell Orchestra... i just really don't think it would be as personal for me with that many fans... a lot of happy ravers is indeed good but i still prefer the intensity of smaller shows, which i hope doesn't make you all think i'm an elitist... *jim ***************"MTV makes me want to smoke crack" - Beck**************** * * * "do your dreams replay the past? * * if not, what do your dreams forecast?" * * "every man and woman is a star tonight" - mbm * * * * "i'll be the sky above the ganges/i'll be the vast and stormy sea" * * -REM "be mine" * * * ****-the rainbow mindbath:http://www.netsync.net/users/jbriggs/jim3/**** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David\"Aldous\"" Subject: Re: Blah (sorry, not Orbital related) Date: 12 Apr 1997 13:20:18 -0400 Mark S-D wrote: > > Blah, blahblahblah, grumble > > 1.Blah > 2.Blah & tut tutty tut. (much finger wagging) > 3&4. Blah blah Grrr. > 5. No. > 6. Pah. > > BBB L AA H H > B B L A A H H Http:www.blah.com/hmmblahgrr.html > BBB L AAAA HHHH > B B L A A H H "Grrr, blah is blah hmmmm yes" > BBB LLL A A H H - A.Blah > > Hope that helps. > -- > Mark S-D (being a bit "tut tut" today) > Please remove the *no spam* from my address when using reply. Thankyou. i agree blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David\"Aldous\"" Subject: uncoveries and ORBITAL QUESTIONS!!!!!!! Date: 12 Apr 1997 13:40:30 -0400 recent uncovering that bring up questions. Jesus Loves You - After The Love (orbital house mix) is this related to either orb or orbital. it's from 1989 and gives no indication as to production/engineering/remix. i believe it may be a alex patterson/jimmy cauty(orb mk1) remix since it was sampled for the chill-out album "after the love is gone" richie rich - salsa house UK remix 12" according to the 97/98 record collector price guide there is a "orbital mix" queen latifah - come into my house(orbital mix) this appears on gee street records catalogue code GEETR27. if anybody has this, could they tell me the length of the track and give a brief description as to what it sounds like as i recently acquired a promo copy for that release(GEETPR27) and all it lists as tracks are mix A,B,C,D,E,F.this promo is a specifically pressed promo and not a white label equivalent to the us 12" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: datboy Subject: Re: Big Dork Needs Info Date: 12 Apr 1997 13:55:19 -0400 >apparently you have difficulty reading. what i wrote was "it is illegal >for labels to pay stations to alter playlists" that is true. i did not >however say that there is no influence. of course big labels can put >forth all sorts of incentives and have the upper hand, but it still >comes down to the listeners no matter what you write. (obviously some >stations have rigid formats-oldies for instance, that dont change) for >instance- in chicago we have q101, big time "alternative". they tried >to push metallicas new stuff. nobody wanted it, they stopped playing >it. do you think their label decided to pull it? You know, maybe I should tell you about something that happened to me about three or four years ago. I used to listen to oldies radio when it was new, because of the city I lived in. The newer rock stations thought that I wanted to hear Van Halen, Journey, and Led Zeppelin, and I said bollux to that. There was one college station, and it was metal oriented, and while I listened to it a little bit, I still pretty much had to rely on trips to the record store and borrowing friend's records to find new music to listen to. There was no modern rock station. We're talking a socially retarded area (in case you're wondering it's RTP, North Carolina, where all the money mags tell you is where you WANT to live -- if you like music, it sucks -- there's none there aside from a great little dance-music/clothing shop called Worx). Love and Rockets playing at a little bar in town was Big News. I like the Beatles. A LOT. I'm not one of these maniacs who has to have the sheets they slept on, but I really admire them, and if it weren't for them I wouldn't really be interested in collecting records. I dislike Motown. Not because I think it sucks, but because I've heard it over and over for God knows how long. So I decided to get a couple of the record stores around here to petition the local oldies station to try to get them to play the Beatles (which they wouldn't do), the Hollies, the Kinks, the Stones, and other Brit Invasion groups of the 60's just for a simple change of pace ... so that I'd have something different to listen to in a market (Raleigh NC) that had no room for electronica or modern rock or what-have-you. It was a conscious attempt to play by what the radio station was advertising -- something to the tune of "we want to know what you want to hear." Signatures hit over 5,000 in a week. I simply left a copy of the petition (which listed all albums up to 1973 or 74 for the groups in question, plus a lot of other British invasion records that I know really well and still love, and space for a hundred signatures on each page. In two and a half weeks, there were 10,000 signatures, no mean feat by any means. They added Beatles to the playlist, but would not play Rubber Soul or any stuff afterward. They would play "I Want To Hold Your Hand", "She Loves You", "Yesterday" and "Can't Buy Me Love" -- and that was *it*. No Hollies other than "Bus Stop". No Stones other than "Satisfaction." No Kinks other than "You Really Got Me." "Love Child" did get played every other hour. My efforts resulted in a list of about 15 token songs from the UK that they bludgeoned for about a month and then cermoniously dropped. So I called up the general manager and talked very civilly with him ... he explained that his format was dictated by a wire service that said "black music" was what people wanted to hear -- and in the industry that translated to Motown. Aside from the racist implications, I found this to be really ludicrous. But what about the single most influential group in the history of that era, like them or not? He said they were "too idiosyncratic -- they were a different band with every release, so they shied away from them because they were too hard to pigeonhole." His manner was really calculated too -- he tried to talk too fast for me to pick up what he was saying (I recorded the conversation, though), and he spoke as though he were actually on the radio. I later found out that the real reason their playlist was so skewed was because Capitol/EMI (CEMA) wasn't part of the overall conglomerate that owned the radio station, the steelworks to make the antennae, the satellite system they got their news service, the news service itself, etc., the company that maintained the building they were in etc. etc., the company that made the paper cups that were in the bathroom, and so on and so on. But anything that had been licensed to the reissue labels that were part of the conglomerate was likely to get played. And it was their research departments that pulled all of this stuff from Billboard and Record World charts from ages ago. They didn't give a flying fuck what we wanted to hear. They were interested in their own vertical integration, so that the money would stay in the conglomerate. (Mind you, this is the cartoon version of what I learned.) So, I kept my oldies collection and play it when I feel like it, and turned my attention to stuff like the then emerging breakbeat, jungle and gabber, and started ordering my music direct from the labels, or visiting the shops that were also owned by the label's heads -- my current fave is Breakbeat Science in NYC. If I like a really mersh album, I try to get it from a specialty shop (bought Chem Bros. new one last night for $11.99 -- all of my Orbital and other more "mersh" electronica -- and I've tried to get all issues of theirs -- is from specialty shops or indie distributors) or wait until I spot it used. Oh yeh ... in our market (I'm slighly east of the Hudson Valley now) the new Metallica gets played on the stations that play Van Halen, Journey, etc. One of my co-workers was playing one of those radio stations and I double-took because I recognised the voice as James Hetfield's. The modern rock station plays anything with a jangling guitar (Oasis, etc.) or a broken female voice (Cranberries, Alannis, etc.). If you listen to the college stations here you'll hear all sorts of cool music including electronica, but generally you have to wait for their pigeonholed shows. I've found the best place to hear new music is to get samplers, mix discs, make friends with dj's or be a dj yourself, and hang out in the shops for an hour or two every few weeks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NEFYR@aol.com Subject: Re: what the hell does BTW mean? Date: 12 Apr 1997 14:39:16 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-04-11 19:50:57 EDT, HA360410@ntu.ac.uk (Spud Wizard strikes back) writes: << It means by the way, nothing else... >> trust me it does mean something else ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: Re: what the hell does BTW mean? -Reply Date: 12 Apr 1997 14:52:01 -0500 << It means by the way, nothing else... >> trust me it does mean something else And what might that be? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Duncan Price Subject: Re: what the hell does BTW mean? Date: 12 Apr 1997 16:12:45 -0400 At 02:39 PM 4/12/97 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-04-11 19:50:57 EDT, HA360410@ntu.ac.uk (Spud Wizard >strikes back) writes: > ><< It means by the way, nothing else... >> > >trust me it does mean something else > Bite Thy Willie? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: Daft Punk Date: 12 Apr 1997 16:43:22 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-04-12 07:59:30 EDT, you write: << what is everyone's opinions on Daft Punk. I think that their music is great. >> I AGREE....THINK THE CD IS EXCELLENT! HOPE TO SEE THEM LIVE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: Re: Daft Punk Date: 12 Apr 1997 16:17:32 -0500 i Reall like Da Funk, and the video is a classic. But I live in Rockford, IL and the music scene here sucks! No one knows about or listens to techno, and techno albums like Daft Punk are really hard to find here, unless you special order them. The ignorance of the Rockford listening community annoys me and just plain saddens me, people don't know what they're missing. Logan@cryogen.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: reelisti@gate.net Subject: Re: just a thought.... Date: 12 Apr 1997 16:47:46 -0500 Deng wrote: > > Everyone keeps slagging bands for what they consider "selling out" >and ceasing to become innovative artists. While it is all fine and >dandy for > us (as spectators) to do this, nobody bothers to even see what the > artists themselves think. Yes, this may be impossible and > blahty-blah-blah, but truthfully do they care what a small >collection of often obviously elitist fans think? > Or more to the point, someone mentioned how disappointed with Liam > Howlett they were because the Prodigy's latest album was such >drivel. > I love how everyone assaults them because of their vocals in songs (much > more now than before) and other bands who become popular in a similar > method. Until someone definitively proves to me that becoming > "mainstream" asphyxiates all creative intellect, I will be very skeptical > about that line of attack. In order to crack the U.S. market, many > labels are encouraging electronic bands to play live gigs and cut a few > singles with vocals for each album. Does this discredit all the other > music they made, make, or will make? If you think so, you are just as > bad as the ignorant masses who make a decision not based upon rational > interest but upon blind acceptance. I do not believe that when a band becomes popular or mainstream their creativity ceases to exist in their music. HOWEVER, if a band's main purpose of making music is to reap "financial rewards", it is very likely that their music will lack innovation. Why? The band is not, or no longer, viewing their music as a creative outlet but something to sell, and when one wants to sell something their product must appeal to a large group of consumers in order to make the most money. Therefore, the music of a band who is mainly profit-oriented will only reflect the artists' musings of what the general public wants to hear. I have no problem with bands wanting to play more live gigs to promote their work, but I do object to labels encouraging them to "cut a few singles with vocals for each album" in order to "crack the US market", especially if this wasn't in the band's interest until the labels brought it to their attention that "American's need vocals" (like we need guitars ;)). > Point two (one that has been brought up before) is that bands need >to make money. The hypocrisy of most of this list and similarly- >minded ones becomes evident by attacking bands for attempting to >become popular. > Many artists become involved not only for a creative outlet, but >also for > rewards, whether financial or psychological. To proclaim the death >of > creative, innovative music by an artist because they "sell out" denies > that artist the rights they deserve -- mainly to make money. For those > of you who say Prodigy or Underworld or Chem. Bros have sold out >because > they appeal to mass audiences in the interest of pure greed (as many >of I know that Chem Bros, Underworld, Prodigy are mainstream- if they became popular out of pure greed, which means they don't care how their music sounds as long as many people like it, then they've sold out, which will show in their music. But I don't think they became popular out of avarice; I don't think they've sold out (besides the point). > you would have it) is the supreme irony when it is considered that many > of the people saying this are enrolled in a university or college. What > is a university or college but an investment in the future? Delayed > gratification now for increased earning power later. I am sure many will > disagree with me (and I can accept that) but that does not change the point. Ah, but it does change the point..... The counterculture knows that the purpose of a university or college is not to increase your "earning power" but your knowledge and quality of existence, a purpose you might not be aware of due to a background of rigorous socialization into the market culture. I go to the University to learn more about history, fine art, and sociology, majors which won't make me any money in the real world (unless I become a professor)- and I don't care. There is no "delay of gratification", I am loving every minute of my university life! I am aware that many misinterpret the university and think that it is a place to sacrifice and suffer for four years to get a degree in a well paying field. The only delay of gratification a student or artist will feel is when he or she is not studying what they want to learn and not making the music they truly want to create! In the cases of non-profit oriented music and education the learning/inventive process is as much of a reward as the "outcome". If you seriously love your studies and art and it just happens to bring in a high income, that's great; the more you love your work, the more dedicated you will be to creating and inventing your own new ideas- but if you set out to get an education or make music mainly to make money later then you're settling for the music of 2Unlimited when you really want to make something as ingenius as Orbital's work, or you're settling for a major in Business Admin. when you really want to be an anthropologist (just an example- no offense to true Bus. Admin. majors!) > Anyway, I am sorry for wasting your time. Intelligent discussion of > music is a highlight of this list. Don't waste my or others' time > flailing and flaming. Opinions of all sorts are to be respected except > those that belittle. Keep that in mind the next time that you attempt to > flame a band or artist with nothing in the way of intelligent proof. > J You cannot dispute one's taste...if one likes Metallica or hates them that is up to the person. However, if a person wants to argue that Metallica is great (profound, timeless, etc.), then there can be dipute. I feel that you always have to have intelligent proof, whether you are criticizing or praising an artist. Ivy reelisti@gate.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: USUIL@aol.com Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) Date: 12 Apr 1997 18:48:54 -0400 (EDT) i know you mentioned noth of this however it is just a thought. do you think "metallica" would of gotten beat up and downed if there record company and all the magazines tried to bill their latest as a " the new metallica album" instead of "alternative metalical album "? i wonder if people think let a lone listen to what they are hearing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: USUIL@aol.com Subject: Re: S.A.L.T. & the ramblings of a madman ! Date: 12 Apr 1997 18:58:10 -0400 (EDT) just like credits in star trek? the cost to set up such a system would be a lot of money and i can assure private bussines is not going to do so the govn't will and they are not very fat cats right now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anthony Agee" Subject: Big dork needs to express himself Date: 12 Apr 1997 17:57:13 -0500 Hey, this thread reminds me of Single Ads in the newspapers....like "Big Dork seeks SWF, nonsmoker..." Except I'm not looking for a girl (not online at least), just good conversation which I'm getting via this thread. I think that a misconception of this thread is that the average person likes music as much as we do...and in "we" I'm talking about not only the people on this particular mailing list, but anybody else who subscribes to mailing lists which discuss music whether it be country or rock or jazz or techno. So when we ponder the lack of intelligence in our communities in their apparent misunderstanding of good music, there is a misconception; namely, many people do just fine listening to the same old bullshit day in and day out. People LOVE Aerosmith, people LOVE Jewel, people love generic, tired bullshit music. Why? Because it's safe, it's what they're familiar and confortable with. There is nothing wrong with this! I pity them because they are missing out on man's greatest art, music, but I don't hate them. We're starting to repeat ourselves so I'll try to head in a new direction. I love music. Wherever music is the least dormant is usually where I fancy it; in 1997 it's techno. Whether an artist remains underground or becomes popular doesn't concern me, what concerns me is that record executives (including indie) will begin to look outside techno IF (and this is a huge -if-) it becomes diluted by crap. They might become prejudiced and it could limit the amount of good techno music released. I have a feeling Orbital would continue to make their music, regardless. But the Chemical Bros, a group I do like, might be persuaded to move a little more towards another genre and therefore towards stagnant music. Do we really need rock-infused electronic music? And to lose the Chemical Brothers would be bad...they *are* talented because they make the music they like. But money and fame talk to some in louder volume than others. 4 years from now, I'm not going to give a shit if somebody scoffs at my Orbital t-shirt (taking for granted I can FIND ONE!!!)...but it will be sad if that day does arrive...and I would rather it didn't, don't you? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: USUIL@aol.com Subject: Re: Really big dork needs info =) -Reply Date: 12 Apr 1997 18:59:09 -0400 (EDT) are you a firm believer in the fact that "taste is subjective"? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: USUIL@aol.com Subject: Re: just a thought.... Date: 12 Apr 1997 19:10:10 -0400 (EDT) it is a business out to make money, you know like you drudge to your job every morning to get that pay check. and aside from that. when a song is written it is writte by the artist for the artist. it is put out there by the artist for you ato appreciate and possiably find your own personal intimate meanning that makes it so very dear to you. when a album is realesd it has creativity and just because you say it don't i have a million other who say it does wanna fight? don't feel violated when your favorite band makes a move you don't approve of, and who are you to say if it is right or wrong or "selling out" or what? the whole understood definition of selling out is incorrect, just look at metallica, millions say the sold out to sell records. -the already sell ALOT OF FUCKING RECORDS! who else are they planning on finding? the ALIENS that the government is hiding from us? - and last time i looked that new album is not doing so hot in the reviews. so in a way it WAY MORE "ALTERNATIVE" than lets say hootie and the blowsucks or what ever. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: USUIL@aol.com Subject: Re: WELL- KINDA ORBITAL Date: 12 Apr 1997 19:11:26 -0400 (EDT) my rights end where your begins however, opinions are like assholes eveybody has one and the right to use it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anthony Agee" Subject: Dig Your Own Grave Date: 12 Apr 1997 18:11:25 -0500 I have to disagree with many out there. The Chems new album is a huge disappointment. It's nowhere NEAR as fresh or original as "Exit Planet Dust". Sure, "Exit" sounded like copy-cat Beastie Boy beats warmed over with a little U.K. spice...but it was addictive as hell and if Chemical Beats isn't the perfect rave song I don't know what is. The two best tracks, IMHO, are #1 and #10. Block Rockin' Beats is Chemical Brothers at their finest....shitloads of drums and buzzing acid bass. I forgot the name of track 10, but it's something about a chick who wakes up in the morning and looks at her coffee cup or some shit like that...anyway, it's a huge rip-off of a track on "Exit" which has the same girl singing. But it's a good rip-off in that it grooves very nicely...and harkens back to the more melodical "Exit". Needless to say, "Setting Sun" is one of the worst singles in history. The rest of the CD features the Brothers attempting to gain street cred as legitmate techno artists...being somebody they aren't. Most people LIKE the Chems for who they are...but they seem to be reaching for more critical acceptance and they fall off the bridge spanning the waters between Planet Chemical and Planet Rolling Stone. When I bought "Exit Planet Dust" it stayed in my car's CD player for about 3 weeks straight....only "In Sides" beat that. This album lasted only about 3 DAYS in my car. I've already put U-Ziq's superior latest back in. hifi@kcnet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: USUIL@aol.com Subject: Re: un orbital---heaven's gate Date: 12 Apr 1997 19:12:59 -0400 (EDT) this reminds me of the scene in "dazed and confused" when they are at the " moon tower" talking about how the u.s is founded by aliens. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: USUIL@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: UN ORBITAL---HEA Date: 12 Apr 1997 19:15:51 -0400 (EDT) i had to reply to this one. ibm is trendy ( ouch a buzz word look out ya all ) mac raped me ( harsh but true at the check out counter ) but let put those aside for a moment. what does orbital use to program anyone know? i would put my money on mac due to its music midi ease of application and so on. and while i am on that subj is there any fellow midi based music programmers and sequencers out there? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: USUIL@aol.com Subject: daft punk Date: 12 Apr 1997 19:19:41 -0400 (EDT) WOULD SOMEBODY GO BY THEIR ALBUM AND TELL THE REST OF US WHAT IS LIKE! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: oh, one last thing before I go... Date: 13 Apr 1997 00:05:18 GMT ...err, how do I get off this damn list! (durrr!) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Re: IMHO Date: 13 Apr 1997 00:05:11 GMT a hardcore raver spouted forth the following lies: >Never mind I figured it out: In My Humble Opinion sorry, no, this is wrong, we argued about this on the happy list, I settled it, IMHO means In My Hardcore Opinion...or at least it does when I use it anyway. And if I get as meany messages about this as I did about BTW then I am off this crap list. I love Orbital but this list is crap...in fact,I think I'll unsubscribe now anyway. Anyway, I may subscribe to the digest version in the near future but I'll say see y'all. luv + sloppyness =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: daft punk Date: 12 Apr 1997 20:32:21 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-04-12 19:44:53 EDT, you write: << daft punk Date: 97-04-12 19:44:53 EDT From: USUIL@aol.com Sender: owner-orbital@xmission.com Reply >> It would be great if instead of writing 10 messages in a day that are 1 sentence or 2 long if you could do some consolidation and maybe just write acouple.....thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: emarsh Subject: Re: daft punk Date: 12 Apr 1997 21:45:08 -0400 Ultravox5@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-04-12 19:44:53 EDT, you write: > > << daft punk > Date: 97-04-12 19:44:53 EDT > From: USUIL@aol.com > Sender: owner-orbital@xmission.com > Reply >> > It would be great if instead of writing 10 messages in a day that are 1 > sentence or 2 long if you could do some consolidation and maybe just write > acouple.....thank you. How many sentences did you wirte? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: Re: S.A.L.T. & the ramblings of a madman ! Date: 13 Apr 1997 02:42:13 +0100 USUIL@aol.com wrote.... >just like credits in star trek? > ummm, lost me there I'm not a trekky. >the cost to set up such a system would be a lot of money and i can assure >private bussines is not going to do so the govn't will and they are not very >fat cats right now. > Is this relating to information databases to protect national security ? Well, if the goverment is fat cats or not it's going that way. Remember that the goverment has the power to access information gathered by private business as well as it's own methods. The desire for control to protect interests remains so you should at least be aware that situations in future are possible. In future as AI and computer systems become less expensive you will begin to see Science Fiction become more real as has been the case in our recent history, I believe that. -- Mark S-D Please remove the *no spam* from my address when using reply. Thankyou. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: Come on you dorks (like me) Date: 13 Apr 1997 02:18:58 +0100 *thee dark star thief wrote.... >Mark S-D wrote: >> for me, it's a bonus when you're at an event and theres so many people > >i must disagree. just my opinion but i like small group/small venue >intimacy... it gives you a chance to be a few feet away from the group and >really surrounded by more hardcore fans... I can understand that POV. >for instance when i saw meat >beat i was able to talk to all of the band in addition to LX Paterson and >Single Cell Orchestra... i just really don't think it would be as personal >for me with that many fans... You were very fortunate. :) I've had a few experiences where the event felt very personal, I'm very fond of those memories. >a lot of happy ravers is indeed good but i >still prefer the intensity of smaller shows, which i hope doesn't make >you all think i'm an elitist... No, not at all. I think there are benefits to each, the smaller venue and the larger ones, I suppose if I could go back to the days when most venues were small I would be very tempted to re-live it again. :) The thing is we have to accept that things change, Orbital for instance are very popular now, and I'm in no dought you know that too ! :) I've had some great experiences at big venues/events too, so it's best I think to stay open minded and live in the NOW so to speak. It's a bonus in a lot of ways when there are lots of people at an event. I regret saying what I did because I can see where you're coming from & I'm not anti small venues in any way, it's where I first experienced the music after all.... I should have thought more about how I put it. -- Mark S-D Please remove the *no spam* from my address when using reply. Thankyou. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hobo Bojo Man Subject: re:IMHO + stuff about orbital mpegs Date: 13 Apr 1997 00:59:32 -0400 (EDT) First The orbital questio. Does anyone out there have an mpeg of the remix P&P did for madonna - I just couldn't bring myself to but a madonna CD - If so I'd be willing to trade them an mpeg of the remix they did for EMF (called It's You (the 13 1/2% Extra Mix) once I hack the registration code on my mpeg software. Actually I'm just gonna throw the mpeg on the web one I make it, but I'd really like that madonna remix if its any good. The EMF one is fantastic - lotsa violin stuff and altered female vocal samples (I just love the stuff orbital does with vocal samples - thats what turned me on to them). Thanks On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Mike Ash wrote: > Never mind I figured it out: In My Humble Opinion > Actually, just like BTW it means some thing else. It actually means In My Hy-nee Oraface. OK sorry about that - I just get my chuckles every time I see a niave question like that (cause some insanely absurd meaning pops into my head), but seriously this is not the proper forum for asking about newbie stuff (I know - I was a newbie once too, and to be quite honest I annoyed a HELL of a lot of old internet farts) I'm just getting tired of sifting though 10 message long threads about BTW or other thingies that only relate to email specific topics. I know I'm only contribuiting to the clutter, but hell its been A rough week and I'm venting. So if you do have a question about format or anagrams or abbreviations, (I really don't want to see a thread with "What does :-) mean?" its a smiley - look sideways) check out the usenet newsgroups (i think there's an alt.newbie or something like that) and have some sympathy for us old hacks who spend our days writeing code for people who think they have to put stamps on email. SO sorry for the out of context message, please don't start a thread on this (unless you're repling to the mpeg question). HBM I am the terry cloth God!!!! cpark@osprey.unf.edu Bow down and wash with me!!!! djfly@faraday.ee.unf.edu cpark@resourcecenter.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Flynn Subject: Re: just a thought.... Date: 13 Apr 1997 21:09:39 +1000 This is a difficult issue, because like it or not, popular music of all kinds has evolved out of a consumer culture. There's always been a balance between creative independence, and appealing to a mass-market for profit. it's extra difficult, because of the undoubted "rebel" tradition of popular music. Different artists approach it in different ways, like the Sex Pistols exloiting the system and boasting about it; or the KLF with their cynical/satirical approach to the whole business; then there was the Pet Shop Boys, sarcastically saying "let's make lots of money; Nirvana wrote a song called "Radio Friendly Unit Shifter", and printed t-shirts slagging off "corporate rock. They all sold bucketloads, but maintained artistic integrity IMO. They tackled the dillemma. I don't think that accusing a group of selling out is denying their right to make money. I would hope it means that you are legitimately, perhaps constructively, criticising them because they didn't get that balance right. Just doing something because a record company wants you to is not enough. It has to be GOOD! For some people's taste, the only music that really satisfies is that which, subtly or otherwise, takes a stand against the mass market, and is willfully uncommercial. It gives a lot of music a real edge. I believe Orbital are capable of doing a commercial project (remixing Madonna, for example), then resisting the temptation to bland out all their music to seize a bigger market. But the temptation is always there. "The Saint" could open some other doors to them. Will they bland out if they think it will get them dollars? Nahhhhh. I trust them. At 11:36 AM 4/11/97 -0600, you wrote: >Everyone keeps slagging bands for what they consider "selling out" and >ceasing to become innovative artists. While it is all fine and dandy for >Many artists become involved not only for a creative outlet, but also for >rewards, whether financial or psychological. To proclaim the death of >creative, innovative music by an artist because they "sell out" denies >that artist the rights they deserve -- mainly to make money. For those Home Email: jjf@matra.com.au Work Email: jonathan.flynn@sbs.com.au WWW: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jjf "...we want the finest wines known to humanity!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "An'nai {Micah}" Subject: Re: just a thought.... Date: 13 Apr 1997 01:50:44 -0400 i must say i agree with Morpheus (as usual) and i edited down the the parts that seem important for my reply: when thomas dolby had his big hit "she blinded me with science" he replyed `I have a top 40 hit, I must be doing something wrong' and i had admired him ever since for that. granted his next full length sucked, but he _changed_. he took a chance. and the album after that is great and i doubt if you could make a one of those songs a radio hit. annai > > Everyone keeps slagging bands for what they consider "selling out" and > > ceasing to become innovative artists. While it is all fine and dandy for > > us (as spectators) to do this, nobody bothers to even see what the > > artists themselves think. Yes, this may be impossible and > > blahty-blah-blah, but truthfully do they care what a small collection of > > often obviously elitist fans think? > > Until someone definitively proves to me that becoming > > "mainstream" asphyxiates all creative intellect, I will be very skeptical > > about that line of attack. > > Point two (one that has been brought up before) is that bands need to > > make money. The hypocrisy of most of this list and similarly-minded ones > > becomes evident by attacking bands for attempting to become popular. > > To proclaim the death of > > creative, innovative music by an artist because they "sell out" denies > > that artist the rights they deserve -- mainly to make money. -- http://home1.gte.net/annai mailto:annai@gte.net `this is our new s=ong just like th last one a total w.a.s.t.e. of time.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: McFinky Wack Subject: Re: daft punk Date: 13 Apr 1997 01:58:20 -0400 (EDT) On Sat, 12 Apr 1997 USUIL@aol.com wrote: > WOULD SOMEBODY GO BY THEIR ALBUM AND TELL THE REST OF US WHAT IS LIKE! well, i didn't exactly buy it, but i did get it a few weeks ago (cd and vinyl!). it's very cool, but as i said before not that incredible. i haven't listened to it that much, so i have it in right now to remind me of it. it is a very good mixture of various forms of dance music and comes out as a very danceable AND listenable album. something i find most dance music lacks these days. to reiterate what i said in my previous comments, daft punk are not an incredibly talented group, but they make some decent stuff. they are not as good as people like orbital and aphex twin (i don't count his latest, which i think is crap), but they make some cool stuff. of course by the time you get to some of the later tracks it just gets to be way too repetitious. - thomas /--------------------------------------------------\ | now the body of one soul i adore wants to die | | you have always told me you'd not live past 25 | | i say stay long enough to repay | | all who caused strife | | - alice in chains | \--------------------------------------------------/ thomas f. slattery iv scrap, inc. stevens institute of technology ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wunderkint@aol.com Subject: Re: Inside 'In sides' Date: 13 Apr 1997 02:43:44 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-04-12 13:02:50 EDT, you write: << what is different with the new in sides? i saw it says now includes the saint single, is that simply the single with the saint, the box, and the sinner on it? or is this a completely different version? thanks for any info you can give me. >> Heres the contents of the EP included with the newest version of 'In Sides': 1. Satan (Industry Standard Mix) 2. Satan (Live) 3. Saint 4. Sinner 5. Halcyon (Live) All are great, but Halcyon takes it home. Hope this helps =) Dr. Vasew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dxford@earthlink.net" Subject: Re: just a thought.... Date: 13 Apr 1997 01:28:59 -0700 An'nai {Micah} wrote: > > i must say i agree with Morpheus (as usual) > and i edited down the the parts that seem important for my reply: > when thomas dolby had his big hit "she blinded me with science" he > replyed `I have a top 40 hit, I must be doing something wrong' and i had > admired him ever since for that. granted his next full length sucked, > but he _changed_. he took a chance. and the album after that is great > and i doubt if you could make a one of those songs a radio hit. > annai > > > > Everyone keeps slagging bands for what they consider "selling out" and > > > ceasing to become innovative artists. While it is all fine and dandy for > > > us (as spectators) to do this, nobody bothers to even see what the > > > artists themselves think. Yes, this may be impossible and > > > blahty-blah-blah, but truthfully do they care what a small collection of > > > often obviously elitist fans think? > > > Until someone definitively proves to me that becoming > > > "mainstream" asphyxiates all creative intellect, I will be very skeptical > > > about that line of attack. > > > Point two (one that has been brought up before) is that bands need to > > > make money. The hypocrisy of most of this list and similarly-minded ones > > > becomes evident by attacking bands for attempting to become popular. > > > To proclaim the death of > > > creative, innovative music by an artist because they "sell out" denies > > > that artist the rights they deserve -- mainly to make money. > > -- > http://home1.gte.net/annai > mailto:annai@gte.net > > `this is our new s=ong > just like th last one > a total w.a.s.t.e. of time.' None of the Dolby albums sucked. They may ahve taken longer to get into but they never sucked. Its kind of like "Dig your Own Hole" I heard it a week before it was released at my job and by the time it was released, I was somewhat sick of it. After I bought it on friday and listened to it for a while it grew on me. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Morpheus Subject: Re: UN ORBITAL---HEA Date: 12 Apr 1997 02:12:17 -0700 I'm an extended module (xm) trakker. If that counts. USUIL@aol.com wrote: > > but let put those aside for a moment. what does orbital use to program anyone > know? i would put my money on mac due to its music midi ease of application > and so on. > > and while i am on that subj is there any fellow midi based music programmers > and sequencers out there? -- Cya Morpheus Morpheus Productions: http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus Morpheus@xl.ca _ _ _____ ____ ____ _ _ ____ _ _ _____ / |/ | | _ | | __ \ | __ \ | |_| | / __\ | | | | | __| / | | / | | | \/ / | \/ / | _ | \ \ | | | | \ \ / /\/ | | |_/ | | \ | _/ | | | | / /__ | |_| | __\ \ /__/ |_| |_____| |_|\_\ |_| |_| |_| \____/ \_____/ |_____| _____________________________________________________________ |_____________________________________________________________| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fermin Goiriz Subject: RE: Daft Punk Date: 13 Apr 1997 11:59:53 +0200 email: j021850503@abonados.cplus.es It must be very sad to live in the States, doesn't it. 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I've always disliked these guys because they are just "chupando del bote de Prodigy") (translation: copying Prodigy's techniques) Ah, I don't LOVE Prodigy nor Orbital (hehe), I just LOVE Kraftwerk. Don't get angry with me :) Greetings, Fermin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fermin Goiriz Subject: RE: daft punk Date: 13 Apr 1997 11:51:06 +0200 I've bought fucking Daft Punk album a few days ago, and it's cool. Some songs are maybe too repetitive and maybe... empty, just a beat and not much more, but "Da Funk", "Around the World", "Revolution 909" are songs you will enjoy a lot dancing and listening to them. 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Date: 13 Apr 1997 11:46:09 -0400 (EDT) speaking of it sucking to live in the u.s., there are some orbital albums i'm interested in getting but can't get around here. any help in getting these would be much appreciated: satan live (12") liarx37 are we here? (cds) liecd15 lush 3 (cd or vinyl) liecd7/liarx7 orbital i (2xlp) 828248-1 halcyon (cds) 162 350 009-2 thanks for any help. - thomas /--------------------------------------------------\ | now the body of one soul i adore wants to die | | you have always told me you'd not live past 25 | | i say stay long enough to repay | | all who caused strife | | - alice in chains | \--------------------------------------------------/ thomas f. slattery iv scrap, inc. stevens institute of technology ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@capgemini.co.uk Subject: re:Saint at No3 Date: 13 Apr 1997 16:54:00 BST For those who dont want to wait until 1900hrs GMT (ie when the charts are first announced). Orbital have gone in at number 3 with Blur one place above and unfortunatly R Kelly is number 1 (who the fuck buys that shit!). Check the time and date of this message! I was shocked too! Steve LOOPZ Price. Orbital Zine. LOOPZ Website - New sample page online from 1200hrs tomorrow. (Rare, Live and Hard-to-find Orbital tracks) Cut and Paste - Its case sensitive http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@capgemini.co.uk Subject: re:In Sides - new one Date: 13 Apr 1997 19:51:37 BST >>>>> what is different with the new in sides? i saw it says now includes the saint single, is that simply the single with the saint, the box, and the sinner on it? or is this a completely different version? thanks for any info you can give me. >>>>> It has Satan, Satan (edit), Saint, Sinner and Halcyon. Check the LOOPZ webpage....DISCOG...its all there. http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa/ cut and paste its case sensitive. Steve lOOPZ Price. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NEFYR@aol.com Subject: Re: what the hell does BTW mean? Date: 13 Apr 1997 23:13:18 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-04-12 16:58:58 EDT, you write: << ><< It means by the way, nothing else... >> > >trust me it does mean something else > Bite Thy Willie? >> hehe maybe thats it, this is one of those times when i wish i hadn't smoked all that weed, it would be nice to have memory. joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NEFYR@aol.com Subject: Re: In Sides - new one Date: 13 Apr 1997 23:21:54 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-04-13 15:34:25 EDT, you write: << what is different with the new in sides? i saw it says now includes the saint single, is that simply the single with the saint, the box, and the sinner on it? or is this a completely different version? thanks for any info you can give me. >> 1.satan 2.satan (live in new york) 3.the saint 4.the sinner 5.halcyon (live)- cool ass man it got some great samples joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NEFYR@aol.com Subject: orb:tampa florida Date: 13 Apr 1997 23:29:41 -0400 (EDT) hey anyone out there live in the tampa bay area if so, the orb will be here on the 18th of this month that being may i think well any way the show is at masquerades in ybor city call ticket bastard for time. joe "without love there would be no hate, without hate there would be no war"-joe clarity ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jon m magee Subject: re:In Sides - new one Date: 13 Apr 1997 22:35:48 -0500 (CDT) well what i wanna know is, what's up with the 3 singles for "Satan-Live"? all have a live version of the song, and two have 2 other songs, but from my stand point, it's not worth $30 to have 5 orbital songs... is there any other way to get these songs? <-----O-----> Oblivion (jmm05@gnofn.org) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Edens Subject: Re:unsubscribe Date: 13 Apr 1997 23:19:44 -0500 Chris Herz wrote: > > hey! be kind my friend.... stuff is hard to find where im from.... i have > to beg and trade to get any decent stuff...... so please bare w/ me... > plus, why go with all of the new stuf? most of it is crap.... * > > * - sorry for the above message everyone... ignorant people make me pissy... > > Orbital vid related, people have been asking me to make copies of > the AMP tape i compiled... 1) you can just watch the show, if you have > cable... 2) i cant afford to send all of you tapes... postage is too > burl... if i could afford it, i would send each of you tape, but you can > get cable (for those in the US) and watch the dang thing... it was a first > come first serve type a deal, sorry to sound like a pecker, but the first > people have already asked and the tapes are on their way... > > ugh... this message sucked big....... > > -Chris Herz > > cherz@interwerks.com > > http://www.interwerks.com http://www.chs.lane.edu/~chrish unsubscribe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael P. Gaudet" Subject: Belinda & Jon Date: 13 Apr 1997 23:49:19 -0500 (CDT) Open question about the Belinda Carlisle & Bon Jovi samples in the live version of Halcyon: Why did Orbital use those samples? Do they like them or dislike them? I like Belinda, but not Bon Jovi.... Mike -- =Michael Gaudet= internet://mpg@engr.latech.edu voice://+1.318.257.2170 postal://box.4168.ts:ruston.la:71272 http://www.latech.edu/~mpg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Goss" Subject: Acronymania Date: 13 Apr 1997 22:08:19 -0700 This is just to clarify all if not more of the acronyms used on this list: BTW = by the way IMHO = in my humble opinion IMVHO = in my very humble opinion IMO = in my opinion TTFN = tah tah for now MYOB = mind your own business MYOFB = (guess) YASUG = yet another sadly underrated group OIIAG = orbital isn't in a genre OIAG = orbital is a genre GSAAD = genres suck and are divisive d'n'b = drum'n'bass IWTHPCAHS = I want to have Paul's children after hearing Snivilisation TGWTSIHH = the girl with the sun in her head MTV = the antichrist Cya = see you all later P&P = Phil and Paul Hartnoll a.k.a. ORBITAL CBWTCBACAO = Chemical Bros. wish they could be as cool as Orbital WDYMWAYSBNWYCGYSLPO =What do you mean what album you should buy next? Whatever Orbital you can get your grimy little paws on! CWAJGA = can't we all just get along? <---------------> Steve Goss stevegoss@clipper.net <---------------> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anne L. Usion" Subject: re:IRC meetup - Sun 1900 GMT Date: 14 Apr 1997 09:10:35 -0700 Ports for the undernet irc are 6660-6669. Other server systems (like Dalnet for example) are 5000 or 7000. Sorry I missed the meeting. I was there, but not on #orbital. BTW, mIRC is not the only irc software out there. PIRCH is very good for the PC as well. You can even do video streaming with it. I won't discuss what's out there for the Macintosh. Everytime I invoke Macintosh, my mailbox gets filled with flame letters. All the best, --Anne PS: "Bring on the fuckin' Bon Jovi"--and then they did! :-) P & P are so cool >If interested - trying to organise a meetup on the ORBITAL channel >on UNDERNET at 1900GMT SUNDAY (Just after the Orbital chart position is >aired) - Bet is on number 4. > >Point ur IRC software (WWW.MIRC.CO.UK - if u need the software) >to UK.UNDERNET.ORG or chicago.il.us.Undernet.org or whatever >on port 7000,8000 etc and then join the ORBITAL channel. > >Steve LOOPZ Price. >etc etc etc _____________________________________________________________________________ Here comes the supernatural anesthetist If he wants you to snuff it All he has to do is puff it --He's such a fine dancer! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Kasaj Subject: re:Acronymania Date: 14 Apr 1997 11:53:59 +0200 (MET DST) >This is just to clarify all if not more of the acronyms used on this list: >BTW = by the way >IMHO = in my humble opinion >IMVHO = in my very humble opinion >IMO = in my opinion >TTFN = tah tah for now >MYOB = mind your own business >MYOFB = (guess) >YASUG = yet another sadly underrated group >OIIAG = orbital isn't in a genre >OIAG = orbital is a genre >GSAAD = genres suck and are divisive >d'n'b = drum'n'bass >IWTHPCAHS = I want to have Paul's children after hearing Snivilisation >TGWTSIHH = the girl with the sun in her head >MTV = the antichrist >Cya = see you all later >P&P = Phil and Paul Hartnoll a.k.a. ORBITAL >CBWTCBACAO = Chemical Bros. wish they could be as cool as Orbital >WDYMWAYSBNWYCGYSLPO =What do you mean what album you should buy >next? >Whatever Orbital you can get your grimy little paws on! >CWAJGA = can't we all just get along? ><---------------> >Steve Goss >stevegoss@clipper.net ><---------------> U forgot something.... #OIAPFC = #Orbital is a panty fettish channel SLSG = Steve likes Spice Girls ;] -- Daniel Kasaj - leqash@fly.cc.fer.hr URL: http://fly.cc.fer.hr/~leqash ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian A. Shillito" Subject: In Sides - New UK release Date: 14 Apr 1997 17:38:38 +0100 Anyone who has bought 'The Saint' CD Single will know that In Sides is being re-released on the 21st, to include the latest single. Does anyone know if the 'Halcyon (Live)' version is to be included on a bonus CD like the US version. I already have all of the 'Satan (Live)' CD's and 'The Saint' but I really want 'Halcyon (Live)' as it was stunning at the Royal Albert Hall.... I've checked out the Loopz website which mentions the US version + bonus CD but it dosen't mention the forthcoming UK re-release. As usual, the official Orbital website has only just realised that In Sides has actually been released for the first time. Does that site ever get updated? Anyone with the desired info, please post it......Cheers! "The moose says you're closed, I say you're open!" - Clarke W. Griswald ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lesley Dobin Subject: RE: Belinda & Jon Date: 14 Apr 1997 14:48:00 -0400 I thought it was because after Heaven is a Place on Earth came out, Bon Jovi took Belinda Carlise to court, claiming it was essentially the same song as You give love a bad name. That's what I heard from some radio interview or another, and that was like testing mr Bon Jovi's musical theory. Although my memory has been know to "create", I think the interview was with Orbital. ---------- Open question about the Belinda Carlisle & Bon Jovi samples in the live version of Halcyon: Why did Orbital use those samples? Do they like them or dislike them? I like Belinda, but not Bon Jovi.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sean Subject: Re: daft punk Date: 14 Apr 1997 14:57:53 -0400 (EDT) please don't yell, you are stupid enough in lower case. :) sean accept less expect more s......e......a......n On Sat, 12 Apr 1997 USUIL@aol.com wrote: > WOULD SOMEBODY GO BY THEIR ALBUM AND TELL THE REST OF US WHAT IS LIKE! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sean Subject: Re: Chemichal Bros? Prodigy! Date: 14 Apr 1997 15:03:02 -0400 (EDT) but can you buy all of these in the supermarket? and would you want to, i rather buy food. except for some orbital discs over in the produce section. sean accept less expect more s......e......a......n On Sun, 13 Apr 1997, Fermin Goiriz wrote: > From: Fermin Goiriz > email: j021850503@abonados.cplus.es > > Chemical Brothers' Exit Planet Dust was rather good, but the newest album > is much much worse. I've always disliked these guys because they are just > "chupando del bote de Prodigy") (translation: copying Prodigy's techniques) > Ah, I don't LOVE Prodigy nor Orbital (hehe), I just LOVE Kraftwerk. > Don't get angry with me :) > Greetings, > Fermin > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lesley Dobin Subject: Re: just a thought.... Date: 14 Apr 1997 15:09:00 -0400 >i must say i agree with Morpheus (as usual) >and i edited down the the parts that seem important for my reply: >when thomas dolby had his big hit "she blinded me with science" he >replyed `I have a top 40 hit, I must be doing something wrong' and i had >admired him ever since for that. granted his next full length sucked, >but he _changed_. he took a chance. and the album after that is great >and i doubt if you could make a one of those songs a radio hit. I don't think I understand where you're drawing your lines. If an artist changes to get airplay they're selling out, if they change to *not* get airplay everything's cool. Seems to me that's something equally odious, changing only to alienate listeners smacks of snobbery and total misunderstanding of what music can do. Sometimes a truly good song can reach a large group of people, and there is nothing wrong with that. Artists can't control who buys their work, they can only do what they think sounds right. I think it's far too easy to say, radio hit = total crap. I know nothing else in my life is ever that black and white, I don't see why music would be either. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lesley Dobin Subject: Re: just a thought.... Date: 14 Apr 1997 15:26:00 -0400 >it is a business out to make money, you know like you drudge to your job >every morning to get that pay check. >and aside from that. when a song is written it is writte by the artist for >the artist. it is put out there by the artist for you ato appreciate and >possiably find your own personal intimate meanning that makes it so very >dear >to you. Sometimes I think people find it too easy to look at artists as less than real people, people who can do things that everyone else finds repulsive to consider. I highly doubt they're sitting around one day thinking,"hey, I want some more money, how about I change my style, alienate my core audience and try to appeal to the big audience who's never appreciated me anyway. Yeah! And while I'm at it I'll kill some puppies, buy a fur coat and finally give that Hootie disc a thorough listen." The fact is though sometimes people change *I'm definately not the same person I was when I thought Micheal Jackson was cool*, aging does stuff to people, and exposure changes ideas. nin is a good example, I think, three major releases that sound musically, totally different, the music changed, but not to suit or repel anyone, just because the progression was natural. I like to ramble. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Gundlach Subject: FSOL MOD? Date: 14 Apr 1997 05:02:36 -0700 You said something about a We HAve Explosive MOD on the Orbital list sometime...could I get it? If you are going to attach it to an email, please send to Gundlach@thurston.com thanx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Rowan" Subject: Re: Orb, Orbital concert dates (fwd) Date: 11 Apr 1997 19:04:55 +0100 I´m going to Dublin in 26th of June for one month. We don´t have any famous visitors playing here in Finland so I was wondering will Dublin offer some cool live acts from Orbital, Orb or anything related? Any dates confirmed yet? joona pöyhönen Orbital feloc Future Sound Of London jp@clinet.fi Autechre Aphex Twin ---------- Hey joona, Right now, I haven't heard of any return by Orbital. They last played here to a few thousand headz in May 96 with Carl Cox on decks after, and fairly well ripped the place apart. I think they're spending more time in the studio...wait, come to think of it, I saw Paul H in my fave vinyl store in Dublin, a few weeks back , I should have asked him then (well I'm 99% sure it was him, unless some tosser was taking the piss). Doubt the Orb will be coming back in the near future, they played a storming show a few weeks back (actually I think it was the same day -what a coincidence). I'm sure there'll be some pumping drum n bass shit on, just avoid the deluge of crappy House clubs that seem to be invading the place at the mo. I'll try to remember to keep you posted of anything I hear. BTW, top choice of choons in your sig... "Familiar faces milling round like cars on a slimy street look across the tables they're there in the piss stained bars -make me believe I'm not going to die for that I'll gladly give you something" Andy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: Re: RE: UN ORBITAL---HEA -Reply Date: 14 Apr 1997 16:54:33 -0500 Hey Jon, orbital does use Mac! -mike Hey everybody, meet Jonn (Usuil), a good friend of mine--He's new to the list, and I'm sure he'll have lots to say to all of you!! Logan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: Re: Acronymania Date: 14 Apr 1997 20:27:23 +0100 Daniel Kasaj wrote.... >SLSG = Steve likes Spice Girls This months Viz has got a Cyberspice sex hat ! Closest I'll ever get..... Orbital worked in the same studio as the Spice Girls, fact fans ! (That's the token Orbital bit, so shut up & be happy!) -- Mark S-D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: Re: daft punk Date: 14 Apr 1997 20:28:11 +0100 USUIL@aol.com wrote.... >WOULD SOMEBODY GO BY THEIR ALBUM AND TELL THE REST OF US WHAT IS LIKE! > BUY ! It's housey housey very very trendy trendy and a bit samey samey. And a bit repetetetetive, but not THAT bad. Oh, and they're french. -- Mark S-D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: ...err, how do I get off this damn list! (durrr!) Date: 14 Apr 1997 17:00:56 -0500 Good luck, chump, Ive tried before and failed!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: Re: UN ORBITAL---HEA Date: 14 Apr 1997 20:27:08 +0100 >what does orbital use to program anyone >know? i would put my money on mac due to its music midi ease of application >and so on. > They upgraded to Mac, @ either Sniv or In-Sides, so yes. I know they run an E-3 sampler as well. That's about as far as my trainspotting goes. -- Mark S-D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: Re: IMHO -Reply Date: 14 Apr 1997 17:00:07 -0500 Sorry I don't know all of your damn little acronyms. Excuse me if I just wanted to know what something means that I read repeatedly on this list. One more thing: I am NOT a hardcore raver. I prefer to sit back and relax to my music a more private setting! Logan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: Re: just a thought.... -Reply Date: 14 Apr 1997 16:46:28 -0500 I know that Chem Bros, Underworld, Prodigy are mainstream- if they became popular out of pure greed, which means they don't care how their music sounds as long as many people like it, then they've sold out, which will show in their music. But I don't think they became popular out of avarice; I don't think they've sold out (besides the point). IMHO, it is not hte artists who "sell out", but rather the fans who stop listening to a particular band because they have gotten popular and started making more money and reaching a wider audience Logan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: KMA PDQ UFP Date: 14 Apr 1997 17:07:57 -0500 Don't you dare write me and ask what this means. I don't have time for that shit. P.S. If you see a heading like that that you don't want to read, just delete the damn thing!! BTW IMHO you are a jerk! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: the_curator Subject: Chime 12" Auction Date: 14 Apr 1997 13:20:26 +0100 You may recall a while ago I advertised this for sale, but due to the buyer (of the postal, not e-mail tribe) dropping out I still have it. So here we go again: If anyone out there is interested in the following 12" single, e-mail me privately with bids (in English Pounds, please). - "Chime/Deeper" on Oh-zone Records. Zone 001.White card sleeve. It has been played but are still in good condition i.e. you can't hear clicks or anything like that. Bids do not include postage and packing, which will be a couple of pounds extra (slightly more outside the UK) as I'm proposing to send them recorded delivery. Also please bear in mind that, unless payment is in English Pounds Sterling, I'll also have to add about four pounds bank charges. thanks Y. Song ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: Re: daft punk -Reply Date: 14 Apr 1997 17:15:15 -0500 DANCE MUSIC!!?? AARRGGGHH!! It's not dance music, it's techno! Dance music is crap like 2 Unlimited or Real McCoy. Don't you dare bastardize fine music like Orbital or Daft Punk by calling it dance music! well, i didn't exactly buy it, but i did get it a few weeks ago (cd and vinyl!). What did you do, steal it? IMHO this is a disrespect to the the artist. People BUYING their records is how they make their living. Logan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: living in the u.s. -Reply Date: 14 Apr 1997 17:20:58 -0500 Ask you record store to special order them. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: re:Saint at No3 -Reply Date: 14 Apr 1997 17:23:16 -0500 R Kelly is number 1 (who the fuck buys that shit!). The ignorant, musically-challenge public, that's who. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Young" Subject: Re: re:WTF does Steve know ? Date: 14 Apr 1997 17:33:17 -0500 Apparently steve knows ALOT more than we know!!! check out -- Music News of the World www.addict.com/MNOTW/displaynews.cgi?97-04-10 - its in april 4th's news.... Apparently last year's organic festival is gonna be called Chaotica this year? Sound like something the Chem Bros would name...no flames please! they did NOT mention orbital, shit!!! howeve it sounds like a good show. laters robert ryoung@fastlane.net : >>How many more times do you want him to say it before : >> you believe him? : : >NEVER! I'll NEVER believe him! HAHAHAHAHA : >The power of thought ("I wish Orbital would play; I wish Orbital would : >play") is more porewful than any of Steve's so-called "knowledge." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rich" Subject: Re: Daft Punk Date: 14 Apr 1997 23:53:34 +0100 I think 'Homework' is an ace album, my particular favourites are 'Around the World' and 'Da Funk'. I like the way that DP mix 70s sounding Disco with modern day beats which gives the music that 'Funky' sound. One of my other faves 'Musique' is not on the album but on the Wipeout 2097 soundtrack which is worth getting. Richard E-Mail: mellor1@proweb.co.uk Home Page: http://www.proweb.co.uk/~mellor1/ ---------- > From: Mark S-D > To: Orbital list > Subject: Re: daft punk > Date: 14 April 1997 20:28 > > USUIL@aol.com wrote.... > >WOULD SOMEBODY GO BY THEIR ALBUM AND TELL THE REST OF US WHAT IS LIKE! > > > BUY ! It's housey housey very very trendy trendy and a bit samey samey. > And a bit repetetetetive, but not THAT bad. Oh, and they're french. > -- > Mark S-D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: Re: In Sides - new one Date: 14 Apr 1997 20:27:17 +0100 jon m magee wrote.... >well what i wanna know is, what's up with the 3 singles for "Satan-Live"? >all have a live version of the song, and two have 2 other songs, but from >my stand point, it's not worth $30 to have 5 orbital songs... >is there any other way to get these songs? > I though it was good value myself, and you don't have to buy it ! -- Mark S-D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: Acronymania -Reply Date: 14 Apr 1997 18:18:32 -0500 TYVMFYIAFR=thank you very much for your informative and funny response ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Young" Subject: Re: re:WTF does Steve know ? Date: 14 Apr 1997 18:30:04 -0500 : - its in april 4th's news.... my mistake april 10th : laters : robert : ryoung@fastlane.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: Re: Belinda & Jon Date: 14 Apr 1997 20:27:40 +0100 "Michael P. Gaudet" wrote.... >Why did Orbital use those samples? Do they like them or dislike >them? I like Belinda, but not Bon Jovi.... > Why ? Hmmmm. I guess they like the sound of the sound, or the sounds in juxtaposition, or both. It's irrelevant where the sample comes from ? -- Mark S-D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Duncan Price Subject: Re: Chime 12" Auction Date: 14 Apr 1997 19:50:11 -0400 Capitalism rears its ugly head.... At 01:20 PM 4/14/97 +0100, you wrote: >You may recall a while ago I advertised this for sale, but due to the buyer >(of the postal, not e-mail tribe) dropping out I still have it. So here we >go again: > >If anyone out there is interested in the following 12" single, e-mail me >privately with bids (in English Pounds, please). > >- "Chime/Deeper" on Oh-zone Records. Zone 001.White card sleeve. > >It has been played but are still in good condition i.e. you can't hear >clicks or anything like that. > >Bids do not include postage and packing, which will be a couple of pounds >extra (slightly more outside the UK) as I'm proposing to send them >recorded delivery. Also please bear in mind that, unless payment is in >English Pounds Sterling, I'll also have to add about four pounds bank >charges. > >thanks > >Y. Song > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ingmar Collinson Subject: The Saint & a festival question... Date: 15 Apr 1997 00:53:34 +0100 (BST) The Saint at No.3 eh? Way to go! Just who the f**k is buying R Kelly? I don't mind that Blur song to much... It's OK. ANYWAY... To get to the point, are Orbital going to play 'V97' in Leeds (and is it Chelmsford?) this year, they did last year didn't they? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Morpheus Subject: Re: daft punk -Reply Date: 13 Apr 1997 17:07:05 -0700 hey, that is bullshit. The artist makes money whether or not it is stolen. The store which the cd is stolen from has to pay for that cd you know. WHether or not the cd is stolen or bought, the cd is still bought from the distributor. All though it is disrespectful to the arist. it says "your music isn't good ewnough to pay for it." I know that the prices are very expensive, but that is because the shits who steal the cds make the store raise their prices to composate for the lost goods. > > well, i didn't exactly buy it, but i did get it a few weeks ago (cd and > vinyl!). > > What did you do, steal it? IMHO this is a disrespect to the the artist. > People BUYING their records is how they make their living. > > Logan -- Cya Morpheus Morpheus Productions: http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus Morpheus@xl.ca _ _ _____ ____ ____ _ _ ____ _ _ _____ / |/ | | _ | | __ \ | __ \ | |_| | / __\ | | | | | __| / | | / | | | \/ / | \/ / | _ | \ \ | | | | \ \ / /\/ | | |_/ | | \ | _/ | | | | / /__ | |_| | __\ \ /__/ |_| |_____| |_|\_\ |_| |_| |_| \____/ \_____/ |_____| _____________________________________________________________ |_____________________________________________________________| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: Re: UN ORBITAL---HEA Date: 14 Apr 1997 20:27:08 +0100 >what does orbital use to program anyone >know? i would put my money on mac due to its music midi ease of application >and so on. > They upgraded to Mac, @ either Sniv or In-Sides, so yes. I know they run an E-3 sampler as well. That's about as far as my trainspotting goes. -- Mark S-D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ash Subject: MUZIK Date: 14 Apr 1997 20:13:50 -0500 How many of you out ther listen to Autechre? I think they are very good and I was just wondering what the rest of you think. Also, does anyone know what their name means? On another note, IMHO track#3, Sped Freak (Moby REMix) on Orbital (1st album) sucks. I don't know why they let someone as generic as Moby remix one of their songs. The sounds he uses are absolutely terrible. Has anyone heard the original version? Is there even an original version? Logan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cl Subject: Re: MUZIK Date: 14 Apr 1997 20:55:38 -0500 Mike Ash wrote: > > How many of you out ther listen to Autechre? I think they are very good > and I was just wondering what the rest of you think. Also, does anyone > know what their name means? AUral TECHnology REdefined. i have heard other explanations but i am pretty sure i read this from a semi-official source. > On another note, IMHO track#3, Sped Freak (Moby REMix) on Orbital (1st > album) sucks. I don't know why they let someone as generic as Moby at the time this came out moby was still quite the innovator. his more recent works may be (insert your favorite expletive), but he does deserve credit for "go" and other early voodoo child releases which were at the forefront of early 90's techno/rave stuff. cl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cl Subject: Re: MUZIK Date: 14 Apr 1997 20:55:38 -0500 Mike Ash wrote: > > How many of you out ther listen to Autechre? I think they are very good > and I was just wondering what the rest of you think. Also, does anyone > know what their name means? AUral TECHnology REdefined. i have heard other explanations but i am pretty sure i read this from a semi-official source. > On another note, IMHO track#3, Sped Freak (Moby REMix) on Orbital (1st > album) sucks. I don't know why they let someone as generic as Moby at the time this came out moby was still quite the innovator. his more recent works may be (insert your favorite expletive), but he does deserve credit for "go" and other early voodoo child releases which were at the forefront of early 90's techno/rave stuff. cl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Danny Dun Subject: Ummmm... Date: 15 Apr 1997 12:01:04 +1000 Does anyone talk about anything interesting on this list like what equipment and techniques the lads use, or are we all too interested in "ooooh they are sooo coool....." yes they are and we all know it, but its all so boring. and whats all this shit about aphex twin. Cool music, brilliant technician, but what a wanker I went to see him in Sydney and he simply lay down on the stage and played sequences from a laptop.... Fuck, my cat is far more interesting. How do I get off this list? Danny Positronic Australia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "zahir" Subject: PEACE please pass on Date: 14 Apr 1997 22:26:53 -0400 ok i'm sorry this is not related to any list but it wont hurt u to read it! > > ONE DAY IN PEACE, JANUARY 1, 2000. > >This is a 24-hour concept where no guns are fired anywhere on earth .. >including on television. What if, for 24 hours, whosoever happens to be at >war on December 31st, 1999, agrees that for one whole day no guns would be >fired? The silence would be golden. > >And what if the television programmers of the world agreed to not air any >programming with a violent content? (It would probably be easier to get >warring nations to stop firing than it would be to get the world's >television programmers to not air violent programming). > >At present, this ONE DAY IN PEACE concept it beginning to get further >circulation. On April 6, 1997, it will be 1000 days until January 1, 2000. > >This is a thought-wave campaign. Which is to say, the more people who grasp >this thought, the more it comes into reality .. > >One Day In Peace, January 1, 2000 .. pass it on .. expect a miracle. > earthling (( zahir--> zahir@globalserve.net )) (( " In our sight, Miss Moneypenny... )) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clerc2@pe.net Subject: Aph's Pirelli ad Date: 14 Apr 1997 18:35:44 -0800 Does anyone know if the track in the commercial ever made it onto a cd? I still remember when I first saw that, my jaw getting scraped on the floor and all- I knew it was him, or a imitator good enough to hunt down cds by, and a wekk later I found out it really WAS him! And in an interview I read with him in some magazine (raygun, maybe?) he apparently has done a few others in the uk. likely none for milk, however..... Ryan I just saw a video on AMP the other night by the Orb. it's apparently from an album called "the wipe", but I've NEVER seenthis one, not even as a bootleg. anyone know anything about this one? ......this is only a test. I repeat, this is only a test. Had this been an actual emergency, we would have fled, and you would not have been notified. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "zahir" Subject: Re: Ummmm... Date: 14 Apr 1997 22:49:28 -0400 hey don't be alarmed by our non-orbital related talk! although i do agree with you, we should get back to the basics! who turned down the music? earthling ---------- > From: Danny Dun > To: orbital@mail.xmission.com > Subject: Ummmm... > Date: Monday, April 14, 1997 10:01 PM > > Does anyone talk about anything interesting on this list like what > equipment and techniques the lads use, or are we all too interested in > "ooooh they are sooo coool....." yes they are and we all know it, but > its all so boring. and whats all this shit about aphex twin. Cool music, > brilliant technician, but what a wanker I went to see him in Sydney and > he simply lay down on the stage and played sequences from a laptop.... > Fuck, my cat is far more interesting. > > How do I get off this list? > > Danny > Positronic > Australia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: reelisti@gate.net Subject: Re: Ummmm... Date: 14 Apr 1997 22:16:44 -0500 Danny Dun wrote: > > Does anyone talk about anything interesting on this list like what > equipment and techniques the lads use, or are we all too interested in > "ooooh they are sooo coool....." yes they are and we all know it, but > its all so boring. and whats all this shit about aphex twin. Cool music, > brilliant technician, but what a wanker I went to see him in Sydney and > he simply lay down on the stage and played sequences from a laptop.... > Fuck, my cat is far more interesting. > > How do I get off this list? > > Danny > Positronic > Australia Maybe you should pay more attention to his music and not expect him to dance around on stage like MC Hammer. Yikes, what a scary thought..... Ivy reelisti@gate.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Geoffrey Jutzy Subject: Re: MUZIK Date: 14 Apr 1997 20:29:59 -0700 (PDT) On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Mike Ash wrote: > How many of you out ther listen to Autechre? I think they are very good > and I was just wondering what the rest of you think. Also, does anyone > know what their name means? > > On another note, IMHO track#3, Sped Freak (Moby REMix) on Orbital (1st > album) sucks. I don't know why they let someone as generic as Moby > remix one of their songs. The sounds he uses are absolutely terrible. > Has anyone heard the original version? Is there even an original > version? > > Logan > Hey, yeah, Autechre is really good. I happen to only have one album (tri repetae) though. Are there any more than just that one? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: McFinky Wack Subject: Re: daft punk -Reply Date: 14 Apr 1997 23:34:39 -0400 (EDT) On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Mike Ash wrote: > DANCE MUSIC!!?? AARRGGGHH!! It's not dance music, it's techno! > Dance music is crap like 2 Unlimited or Real McCoy. Don't you dare > bastardize fine music like Orbital or Daft Punk by calling it dance music! well, to me dance music is music you can dance to (that's not necessarily it's only purpose). things like techno, ambient, house (ugh), etc. are simply subdivisions of it. orbital is definitely music you can dance to even though i generally just chill to it. daft punk is most certainly dance music as that's pretty much all it's good for (some of it is ok for just listening). - thomas /--------------------------------------------------\ | now the body of one soul i adore wants to die | | you have always told me you'd not live past 25 | | i say stay long enough to repay | | all who caused strife | | - alice in chains | \--------------------------------------------------/ thomas f. slattery iv scrap, inc. stevens institute of technology ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: McFinky Wack Subject: Re: MUZIK Date: 14 Apr 1997 23:39:47 -0400 (EDT) On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Mike Ash wrote: > How many of you out ther listen to Autechre? I think they are very good > and I was just wondering what the rest of you think. Also, does anyone > know what their name means? i love autechre. a friend of mine suggested amber to me and i've been into them ever since. i have incubula, amber, tri repetae++, and chiastic slide - all are excellent. > On another note, IMHO track#3, Sped Freak (Moby REMix) on Orbital (1st > album) sucks. I don't know why they let someone as generic as Moby > remix one of their songs. The sounds he uses are absolutely terrible. > Has anyone heard the original version? Is there even an original > version? i disagree here on two parts. i like speed freak, it's not one of my favorites, but i think it's very good. especially considering when it came out. secondly moby is far from generic. he was one of the innovator's for techno/dance/whatever in the late 80s early 90s. i think his older stuff is better than something like everything is wrong, which is why i think he changed. seeing that dance was becoming stale he switched back to rock (which is what he used to do before he began to dj). - thomas /--------------------------------------------------\ | now the body of one soul i adore wants to die | | you have always told me you'd not live past 25 | | i say stay long enough to repay | | all who caused strife | | - alice in chains | \--------------------------------------------------/ thomas f. slattery iv scrap, inc. stevens institute of technology ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: McFinky Wack Subject: Re: daft punk -Reply Date: 14 Apr 1997 23:47:32 -0400 (EDT) On Sun, 13 Apr 1997, Morpheus wrote: > that is bullshit. The artist makes money whether or not it is stolen. > The store which the cd is stolen from has to pay for that cd you know. > WHether or not the cd is stolen or bought, the cd is still bought from > the distributor. All though it is disrespectful to the arist. it says > "your music isn't good ewnough to pay for it." I know that the prices > are very expensive, but that is because the shits who steal the cds make > the store raise their prices to composate for the lost goods. > > > > well, i didn't exactly buy it, but i did get it a few weeks ago (cd and > > vinyl!). > > > > What did you do, steal it? IMHO this is a disrespect to the the artist. > > People BUYING their records is how they make their living. > > i seemed to have missed the first reply here, so i will respond now. i do not steal. have you ever heard of promotional material? it's this free material they give out to promote things. i am privy to many promotional music releases, and generally take those that i feel aren't "good enough to pay money for." and by the way, the expense of cds has little to nothing to do with theft. the prices of cds has remained high above what they should be so that the market would be able to expand by allowing more bands to try their hand. in other words, you're paying more so that labels can take chances on garage bands and such. this is not merely my opinion, but rather that of record executives and financial analysts (taken from several articles i've read on the matter). - thomas /--------------------------------------------------\ | now the body of one soul i adore wants to die | | you have always told me you'd not live past 25 | | i say stay long enough to repay | | all who caused strife | | - alice in chains | \--------------------------------------------------/ thomas f. slattery iv scrap, inc. stevens institute of technology ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David\"Aldous\"" Subject: Re: In Sides - New UK release Date: 15 Apr 1997 00:00:07 -0400 thIan A. Shillito wrote: > > Anyone who has bought 'The Saint' CD Single will know that In Sides is > being re-released on the 21st, to include the latest single. Does anyone > know if the 'Halcyon (Live)' version is to be included on a bonus CD like > the US version. I already have all of the 'Satan (Live)' CD's and 'The > Saint' but I really want 'Halcyon (Live)' as it was stunning at the Royal > Albert Hall.... > > I've checked out the Loopz website which mentions the US version + bonus CD > but it dosen't mention the forthcoming UK re-release. > > As usual, the official Orbital website has only just realised that In Sides > has actually been released for the first time. Does that site ever get > updated? > > Anyone with the desired info, please post it......Cheers! > > "The moose says you're closed, I say you're open!" - Clarke W. Griswald the uk edition will be a single cd with just the saint added and the 3lp will now be 4lp with the saint on A side and the sinner on B side ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Morpheus Subject: Re: MUZIK Date: 13 Apr 1997 21:10:43 -0700 If you think the Moby mix sucks, then you'll be disappointed with the original. I've heard both, and I pick the Moby version. This is only my opinion, yours all may differ. Mike Ash wrote: > > How many of you out ther listen to Autechre? I think they are very good > and I was just wondering what the rest of you think. Also, does anyone > know what their name means? > > On another note, IMHO track#3, Sped Freak (Moby REMix) on Orbital (1st > album) sucks. I don't know why they let someone as generic as Moby > remix one of their songs. The sounds he uses are absolutely terrible. > Has anyone heard the original version? Is there even an original > version? > > Logan -- Cya Morpheus Morpheus Productions: http://home.xl.ca/Morpheus Morpheus@xl.ca _ _ _____ ____ ____ _ _ ____ _ _ _____ / |/ | | _ | | __ \ | __ \ | |_| | / __\ | | | | | __| / | | / | | | \/ / | \/ / | _ | \ \ | | | | \ \ / /\/ | | |_/ | | \ | _/ | | | | / /__ | |_| | __\ \ /__/ |_| |_____| |_|\_\ |_| |_| |_| \____/ \_____/ |_____| _____________________________________________________________ |_____________________________________________________________| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wunderkint@aol.com Subject: Re: Belinda & Jon Date: 15 Apr 1997 01:03:58 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-04-14 05:31:07 EDT, you write: << Open question about the Belinda Carlisle & Bon Jovi samples in the live version of Halcyon: Why did Orbital use those samples? Do they like them or dislike them? I like Belinda, but not Bon Jovi.... >> They probly picked Belinda for her vocal talents. She has a real ethereal voice, as does the singer from Opus 3. But as far as Jon Bon Jovi....well I think that was for the 'cheese' factor. But hey I could be wrong, anybody know for sure? Is there any deeper meaning to those samples? Dr. Vasew "Don't let time pass you by, cuz you have to drive really fast to catch back up.=) " ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David\"Aldous\"" Subject: Re: Belinda & Jon Date: 15 Apr 1997 02:11:14 -0400 Wunderkint@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-04-14 05:31:07 EDT, you write: > > << Open question about the Belinda Carlisle & Bon Jovi samples in > the live version of Halcyon: > > Why did Orbital use those samples? Do they like them or dislike > them? I like Belinda, but not Bon Jovi.... > >> > > They probly picked Belinda for her vocal talents. She has a real > ethereal voice, as does the singer from Opus 3. But as far as Jon Bon > Jovi....well I think that was for the 'cheese' factor. But hey I could be > wrong, anybody know for sure? Is there any deeper meaning to those samples? > > Dr. Vasew > > "Don't let time pass you by, cuz you have to drive really fast to catch > back up.=) " > > it's an attempt at a techno/ecectronica love song ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cornelius Subject: Is Halcyon Live hidden? Date: 15 Apr 1997 02:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Hello. I was in HMV today and saw the new version of Insides, but it didn't have Halcyon live listed on it. I didn't listen to it because I didn't have time, and I'm not going to buy it because I have the old version, but is it hidden? The release I was looking at was the Canadian one, if that makes a difference. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@capgemini.co.uk Subject: re:SPice Girls Date: 15 Apr 1997 11:48:24 BST >>>Orbital worked in the same studio as the Spice Girls, fact fans ! >>>(That's the token Orbital bit, so shut up & be happy!) >>>- -- >>>Mark S-D Well...they recorded their album in the Strongroom across the road from Orbitals gaff. Anyone who caught their interview on Radio 1 yesterday with Jo Whylie would have heard Paul state that he would be interested in Remixing a track for the Spice Girls if approached (do we believe him ?). >Daniel Kasaj wrote.... >SLSG = Steve likes Spice Girls Im male....how could i not ;) Cheers Steve LOOPZ Price. http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa/ Cut and Paste ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@capgemini.co.uk Subject: re:Loopz Site - New MP3/Wav Samples Date: 15 Apr 1997 11:51:01 BST All, New samples page is up and check the news of course. BTW Organic - Paul mentioned about festivals that they are only doing "Tribal" - and that was on Radio 1. BTW i aint had chance to speak to them about it. Fill that Guestbook and check the Orbital Circle / Loopz Mailing List information bit in INFO. Steve LOOPZ Price. Orbital Zine. http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa/ cut and paste ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Sink Subject: Re: The Saint & a festival question... Date: 15 Apr 1997 08:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Ingmar Collinson has written: > The Saint at No.3 eh? Way to go! Just who the f**k is buying R Kelly? I > don't mind that Blur song to much... It's OK. Silly, teeny-bopping American children, I'm afraid. (I'm American, so...) -- Robert Sink - Systems Administrator Chesapeake Biological Laboratory - Solomons, MD. [o] 410/326-7306 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.price@capgemini.co.uk Subject: re:INSIDES at hmv :) Date: 15 Apr 1997 12:02:23 BST >>>> I was in HMV today and saw the new version of Insides, but it didn't have Halcyon live listed on it. I didn't listen to it because I didn't have time, and I'm not going to buy it because I have the old version, but is it hidden? The release I was looking at was the Canadian one, if that makes a difference. >>>> Its listed on the insides inlay... Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: Re: Ummmm... Date: 15 Apr 1997 13:46:20 +0100 Danny Dun wrote.... >Does anyone talk about anything interesting on this list like what >equipment and techniques the lads use, or are we all too interested in >"ooooh they are sooo coool....." yes they are and we all know it, but >its all so boring. Theres nothing to stop people starting a discussion if they don't like what other people are saying already......hint. All this blame get's boring as well, their fault....yawn. >How do I get off this list? > By using a small amount of brain. I posted how only yesterday as well. -- Mark S-D Please remove the *no spam* from my address when using reply. Thankyou. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: datboy Subject: Re: daft punk -Reply Date: 15 Apr 1997 09:25:59 -0400 > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:15:15 -0500 > From: Mike Ash > Subject: Re: daft punk -Reply > > DANCE MUSIC!!?? AARRGGGHH!! It's not dance music, it's techno! > Dance music is crap like 2 Unlimited or Real McCoy. Don't you dare > bastardize fine music like Orbital or Daft Punk by calling it dance music! Hmmm .... I can dance to it ... maybe you might not better pigeonhole it, else it'll end up on one of those top-40 playlists and ruin it for everyone through overplay. And wot's wrong with 2 Unlimited or Real McCoy? These things sound great in a sea of half-naked sweaty, squirming bodies at 5:30 in the AM. There's a time when everything sounds good ... your challenge is to find it, mate. So, I'll continue to dance to my dance music, like Orbital or Daft Punk or Orbital or Daft Punk or etc. etc. etc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "matt russell" Subject: first album(second time) Date: 15 Apr 1997 11:19:00 -0400 the u.s. version of the first album has both chime and midnight on it ,but at nibble's discography, he claims they are 12" original mixes. does this mean they are extended versions of the original versions or what?(this is called second time because i asked this once and no one responded) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: Re: MUZIK Date: 15 Apr 1997 13:40:04 +0100 Mike Ash wrote.... >How many of you out ther listen to Autechre? I think they are very good >and I was just wondering what the rest of you think. Also, does anyone >know what their name means? > I think they're amazing, prefer the earlier LP's, the new one is really strange. The name doesn't mean anything, or it means whatever you want it to mean....and that much is true. >On another note, IMHO track#3, Sped Freak (Moby REMix) on Orbital (1st >album) sucks. I don't know why they let someone as generic as Moby >remix one of their songs. The sounds he uses are absolutely terrible. >Has anyone heard the original version? Is there even an original >version? > Yes there's an original on my Green LP. (UK release) It's not quite as "jumpy" (!) as Moby's remix. I'm sure you can still get the Green (UK) on CD, well, fairly sure, it's still around. Btw... I'm after the Brown LP (on vinyl) for a friend. If anyone will sell a copy please contact me by E-Mail. The vinyl format is now deleted, you can only get in the shops on CD. Thanks...... -- Mark S-D Please remove the *no spam* fro