From: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com (orbital-digest) To: orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: orbital-digest V2 #33 Reply-To: orbital-digest Sender: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-NoArchive: yes orbital-digest Friday, January 16 1998 Volume 02 : Number 033 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:07:24 -0600 From: Rik Akey Subject: (orbital) orbital - OT Crystal Method Regarding Crystal Method: snip from Reece----------------------- what i wanted to say was about the introey thing in Trip Like I Do..."the power of their source : the crystal" dhould be "the source of their power", even tho it doesn't mean anything. GRRRRR! end snip---------------- I wondered about that. I know the sample is from the movie "The Dark Crystal," but I have been unmotivated to rent it to see if the guys tweaked the wording around or not. In any case, I thought it was in the top 5 of 97. I thought it was great. I got to see them "live" here in Milwaukee. I brought a friend whom I wanted to introduce to the (that WORD again) genre, and he maintains that the 2 guys on stage weren't doing anything apart from dancing around in front of some things that looked like key boards.... Oh, the unwashed heathens... I had a great time at the show. - -Rik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:28:27 +0000 From: Paul.French@psygnosis.co.uk Subject: (orbital) The Lowdown Folks, I myself have just joined this list. And it seems as if it is almost tradition for the new members to introduce themselves. Well I suppose that is what they are for anyway, for people all over to discuss music and the likes. I must admit that I am not a big follower of the scene, in the sense that my nights out and holidays are not really techno inclined, which is largely due to the fact that my mates aren't really into it. I used to be a big metal fan which helped me into the scene via a band called Killing Joke. All the singles that were released from their Pandemonium album had remixes on that had a slightly trancey slant. Then a friend brought a tape round and Lush/Impact jumped out from my hiFi and slapped me hard in the face. That was in 1994 and since then have bought all the CDs I have seen by them, my favourites being the 'Satan Live' singles and 'Diversions'. I prefer buying compilation CDs rather than individual albums, these tend to isolate a style whereas individual albums may and in most cases do digress somewhat through the album. Other favourites include the 'Dark and Long' CD by Underworld and the crystal method one. Great new act, a shame that they don't seem to be that recognised at the mo. Though a few of their tracks feature on the PC version of FIFA 98 (which may help them). A strange phenomenon that I have noticed over the last few years is how a lot of the 'Metal kids' are getting into certain forms of the techno scene, and I am just interested to hear why people think that certain bands are attractive to the 'metal heads'? I know that the obvious reason for some is the intensity of the music, and in the case of the Prodigy it is also their image, but why else? A thought to leave you all with Frenchie PS lets get some good discussions going, THIS chat group is rather dull at the moment. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:54:31 -0500 From: Morey Gamble Subject: Re: (orbital) Crystal Method o@sgjh.demon.co.uk wrote: > what i wanted to say was about the introey thing in Trip Like I Do (oh, > yeah, i see the reference). when it goes "once more they will replenish > themselves, change every day" (at least, that what it sounds like to me, > although i think it should sound differently) then it goes "the power of > their source : the crystal" and that's the bit that pisses me off. "the > power of their source" should be "the source of their power", even tho it > doesn't sound the same or as good. so that's the bit that irritates me, > because "the power of their source" doesn't mean anything. GRRRRR! Hey, it's from a kid's movie. Don't expect *too* much. :) - -Morey # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:59:46 -0800 From: "Satyajot (Ajay) Sharma" Subject: (orbital) (NO) Spiritualized - Ladies and Gents... >3) Is the Crystal Method album any good? I only heard it a couple of >times, and it sounded alright, apart from all the cringeworthy >references to *gasp* illegal drugs. Yeah, I think it's great. Besides the two songs with vocals, everything else on the album is really ace. >5) Spiritualized "Ladies and Gentlemen we are floating in space" - LP of >the year? The NME seem to think so, and I was wondering if anyone else >had heard it and how they rated it. BTW I have it and think it's >excellent. It was in my top three. The music is really spacy and you have be in that frame of mind to really dig the album. I don't mean that you have to take drugs to listen to the album, you just have to be in the right mood to enjoy it (at least I have to be). later, ajay - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ssharma@odc.net http://www.odc.net/~ssharma/ Home of the Verve, Adorable, and Swervedriver Websites. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:58:49 -0500 From: Morey Gamble Subject: Re: (orbital) orbital - OT Crystal Method keypubs@execpc.com wrote: > I wondered about that. I know the sample is from the movie "The Dark > Crystal," but I have been unmotivated to rent it to see if the guys > tweaked the wording around or not. I'm not sure about that, but do you know where the other sample came from? (The girl saying "I want you to trip like I do.." Apparently they got home from a show one night and there was a message on the answering machine from some girl who had gotten their number and left a message under the influence of what sounded like a rather impressive amount of drugs. So that sample is actually taken off one of their answering machines..(I'll pretend like anyone actually wanted to know that) - -Morey > In any case, I thought it was in the top 5 of 97. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:11:34 -0800 From: "R. L. Fitch" Subject: Re: (orbital) OT Download? MicDZNutZ wrote: > I was just wandering through the mall the other day and i saw that blockbuster > music had about6 or 7 Download CD's. I was wondering if any of their stuff is > worth getting. > > joey > Although I know many people who think Download is the shite, the only CD I have is "The Eyes Of Stanley Pain" and I give it a 6 or a 7 on a scale of 10... kinda cool stuff, but I can't listen to it all the time... It's good enought that I would buy more... just haven't gotten around to it. Rob - -- http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tobar/frames.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:41:46 -0500 (EST) From: brian lorraine Subject: Re: (orbital) The Lowdown metal kids? the reasons i've noticed here: #1.. yea i guess the intensity of music is one thing. Electronic music has so much potential #2... the trendiness #3. the drugs associated with it. Lot of the "metal kids" here seem to be using the rave scene as a way of getting their shit. pitiful excuse to me. If yur gonna fiddle with some psychedelics at a rave or at home and you're really looking for a deep experience that's one thng.. but the dick heads here are getting stuff shut down cuz of platant drug use. peace, brain # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:56:45 -0700 (MST) From: Matthew J Abate Subject: [none] Check out my page and tell me if the background is too obnoxious. www.u.arizona.edu/~abate aphasia.................................................? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:36:37 -0500 From: Morey Gamble Subject: Re: (orbital) The Lowdown blorra1@gl.umbc.edu wrote: > #3. the drugs associated with it. Lot of the "metal kids" here seem to be > using the rave scene as a way of getting their shit. pitiful excuse to me. > If yur gonna fiddle with some psychedelics at a rave or at home and you're > really looking for a deep experience that's one thng.. but the dick heads > here are getting stuff shut down cuz of platant drug use. I went to a party back around March of last year, at a place I've been to a ton of times and never had any trouble, and when I got inside, the place was literally crawling with cops. A bunch of guys in white T-shirts that said "Gang Squad" shining their flashlights into corners and busting down and searching anyone they felt like. I guess being at a rave now is probable cause. I saw an officer pull a rather large sack of buds out of someone's pocket and put it into his own. I saw two of them searching a guy who they made empty his pockets (he tossed everything into the floor) and the search the linings of his pockets closely with their flashlights before letting him go. I walked up and asked the guy what had happened and he said they searched him because they saw him shake hands with a guy and walk away, and they thought he was making some kind of deal. Two hours into the party, and they were gone. Rumor has it that about 50 people were arrested for nothing more that looking suspicious (not to mention all the people that were busted with large amounts of contraband). This was in Winston-Salem, NC. It could happen anywhere. It's getting so it's not safe to go to parties anymore, between the worry of being harassed merely for being there and never knowing what going to happen to all the kids jacked out of their minds on crystal. Ugh. (preach mode off) - -Morey # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:47:27 +0000 From: "Scott Upper" Subject: (orbital) new member > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - --MS_Mac_OE_2967713250_676307_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi. I just wanted to introduce myself to the list members. My name is Scott. I live in Venice, CA. I am an electronic music fanatic (always have been from the Human League's "Reproduction" to BT and Orbital). From early OMD through Industrial through cyberslam, I can't get enuff... Funny that when I logged on, there was a discussion about the Crystal Method, as they are friends of mine here in L.A. As for their recognition, they are touring all over the place (I believe Copenhagen right now). I've been to a lot of their shows recently, and honestly sometimes they are so hot, the energy is incredible. And sometimes....well, I guess it just depends. They just remixed "Keep Hope Alive" again with BT and a couple of other artists, and the remixes are incredible. I also wanted to let everyone know that I just put up a website with electronica reviews and a "rave essentials" shop, and I wanted to invite all virtual ravers to stop on by. There's a contest in the glow stick section where you can win a year's supply of glow sticks, and I'm introducing brand new 15" glow sticks NEXT WEEK. I had them at a rave on New Years, and people freaked out - they are so cool. Look forward to some cool discussions... - -------------------------- Scott Upper Spinlolly http://www.spinlolly.com - --MS_Mac_OE_2967713250_676307_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable new member Hi.
I just wanted to introduce myself to the list members.
My name is Scott. I live in Venice, CA.
I am an electronic music fanatic (always have been from the Human League's = "Reproduction" to BT and Orbital). From early OMD through Industr= ial through cyberslam, I can't get enuff...

Funny that when I logged on, there was a discussion about the Crystal Metho= d, as they are friends of mine here in L.A.
As for their recognition, they are touring all over the place (I believe Co= penhagen right now).
I've been to a lot of their shows recently, and honestly sometimes they are= so hot, the energy is incredible.
And sometimes....well, I guess it just depends.
They just remixed "Keep Hope Alive" again with BT and a couple of= other artists, and the remixes are incredible.

I also wanted to let everyone know that I just put up a website with electr= onica reviews and a "rave essentials" shop, and I wanted to invite= all virtual ravers to stop on by.
There's a contest in the glow stick section where you can win a year's supp= ly of glow sticks, and I'm introducing brand new
15" glow sticks NEXT WEEK. I had them at a rave on New Years, = and people freaked out - they are so cool.

Look forward to some cool discussions...

- --------------------------
Scott Upper
Spinlolly
http://www.spinlolly.com


- --MS_Mac_OE_2967713250_676307_MIME_Part-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:08:26 +0100 From: "Daniel Kasaj" Subject: Re: (orbital) "Re:" 's and stuff. >yeah...and it even comes with the script to do it (yay)....BUT doesnt >windac still store the wav file somewhere temporarily?? i knew the >feature was available....though it doesnt use the codec, it uses the dos >program....and i doubt that it can just read a lil from the cd at a time >to encode with....so my guess is that it does store a temp file >anyway.... Well, you're wrong here. It DOES read raw sectors and encodes the data directly. No temp files. But I don't use any DOS programs, just WinDAC 1.33 that uses the Fraunhofer MP3 codec (you can get it with the Layer 3 Producer or MS Netshow 2.0). And yeah, it is great for unattended encoding. I just turn the bugger on and let it sweat out an all-nighter. Daniel ::::::::::::::::: "Message received - please send more..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:33:48 -0700 (MST) From: Matthew J Abate Subject: Re: (orbital) Crystal Method > what i wanted to say was about the introey thing in Trip Like I Do (oh, > yeah, i see the reference). when it goes "once more they will replenish > themselves, change every day" (at least, that what it sounds like to me, > although i think it should sound differently) then it goes "the power of > their source : the crystal" and that's the bit that pisses me off. "the > power of their source" should be "the source of their power", even tho it > doesn't sound the same or as good. so that's the bit that irritates me, > because "the power of their source" doesn't mean anything. GRRRRR! Tell that to the person that wrote the script for The Dark Crystal, which is what the sample is taken from. aphasia.................................................? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 98 17:20:24 EST From: Gabriel.A.Crowl@Dartmouth.EDU (Gabriel A. Crowl) Subject: Re: (orbital) (NO) Spiritualized - Ladies and Gents... - --- ssharma@odc.net wrote: >3) Is the Crystal Method album any good? I only heard it a couple of >times, and it sounded alright, apart from all the cringeworthy >references to *gasp* illegal drugs. Yeah, I think it's great. Besides the two songs with vocals, everything else on the album is really ace. - --- end of quote --- what!?!? track 5, Comin' Back, is the best track on the album... the vocals MAKE that one... this coming from a person who don't usually like vocals in his musack. - -peas hout, gabe. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:01:59 +0100 From: "Daniel Kasaj" Subject: Re: (orbital) new member From: Scott Upper >Funny that when I logged on, there was a discussion about the Crystal >Method, as they are friends of mine here in L.A. No shit ? Tell me, do you know what do they think of Orbital ? And any ideas what kind of music they listen to ? And one other thing... Scott, it's bad karma to send HTML formatted messages to a mailing list. Not all people are able to read it without problems. Not that I am complaining or anything...I'm using MS software :-P Daniel ::::::::::::::::: "Message received - please send more..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 1998 17:39:52 -0700 From: GeorgeInvisible@kktv.com Subject: (orbital) Lovely, Lovely (although from few) Top Albums '97 Well, all. I've finally had the time to get back on my computer again. Here's the "list" not necessarily in order. The most voted for were Coldcut, The Ord, and Empirion. Well, thanks to all that participated, and shame to all that didn't. :( Ah, well... Here it goes... Coldcut: Let Us Play The Orb: Orblivion Derrick May: INNOVATOR (rythim is rythim/Mayday) Moodymann: Silent Introduction Empirion: Advanced Technology Acacia: Acacia Classics Kevin Saunderson X-MIX: Transmissions From Deep Space Radio Plastikman: Sickness EP Photek: Modus Operandi Aux 88: Is it Man or Machine? Massive Attack: Protection The Crystal Method: Vegas Autechre: Chiastic Slide (Warp) David Holmes: Let's get killed (Go Beat) Torque (No U-turn records) Soma 50 (Soma) Viennatone (Studio K7) Darren Price: Under the Flightpath (Novamute) Speedy J: Public energy no. 1 (Novamute) Hardfloor: The best of Hardfloor (Eye Q/Harthouse) Way Out West: Way Out West (Deconstruction) Blackflys presents Clubflys Aphex Twin: Come to Daddy Fluke: Risotto Planet Rampant Volume 3 Toni B!: House Junkies Trance Psyberdelic !`George Invisible. :) "People laugh at you... People hate you, but why do they hate you? Because they are jealous." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 1998 17:39:58 -0700 From: GeorgeInvisible@kktv.com Subject: (orbital) I'm back!! Hello, all! For anyone who cares, I'm finally back to the list. I've been *really* busy with school and all and haven't had the time to actually sit and read through much mail for about the past month and a half. Well, anyways, finals are over now so that means the end of the semester, which leads to *much* less work than I've been faced with. So, anyone who wants, feel free to write and I'll continue to post my interesting little tidbits ;) to the list whenever possible. C-Ya! !`George Invisible. :) P.L.U.R # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:06:08 -0500 (EST) From: Brandon Thompson Subject: (orbital) actualy actually the best song on Vegas is the third song. Cherry Twist. the bass and speed get ya. more rhthym...... -- I got the poison.... Maxim Reality, 1995 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:38:32 -0500 (EST) From: brian lorraine Subject: Re: (orbital) The Lowdown oh man that sux... there was a party up here. Sunday mass.. backbone of the Baltimore rave scene... cops had undercovers in there for 18 months.. they got sold so many drugs they finally sed screw it .. they raided the place.. told every to throw their shit on the floor right then and there and no one wud get in truble.. there were piles of substances.. peace, brain # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:11:53 -0600 From: "Anthony W. Agee" Subject: (orbital) pathetic state of music appreciation in public >of the Baltimore rave scene... cops had undercovers in there for 18 >months.. they got sold so many drugs they finally sed screw it .. they >raided the place.. told every to throw their shit on the floor right then >and there and no one wud get in truble.. there were piles of substances.. "...there were piles of substances.." Now we wonder why drugs are always associated with electronic music? I have a question, and I don't mean this to be condescending nor mean-spirited: what in the hell do some self-absorbed, vain, attention-getting-clothes-wearing, drug-abusing FREAKS have to do with goddamned music? If these MORONS want to escape their pathetic lives while listening to music, do it at home. DON'T do it in public where people go to be closer to that what is dear to them, music. It's all about the music. If you can't get high off a live performance or a dance floor then you're not a music lover, your a POSER. I know there are people on this list who regularly take their meth (or whatever) and go raving....you're the ones I'm talking to. Please display an ounce of integrity and quit the drugs. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:19:33 -0600 From: Sean Granger Subject: Re: (orbital) "Re:" 's and stuff. Daniel Kasaj wrote: > Well, you're wrong here. It DOES read raw sectors and encodes > the data directly. No temp files. But I don't use any DOS programs, i never said it doesnt read correctly, i use it all the time....BUT i cant see how it uses the codec (which i also have)...my 1.33 comes with a script to use the l3enc. i havent tried it yet, though im guessing that the full wav has to be there before l3enc can start encoding it, which would mean that the wav file would be written anyway...ill have to get unleazy and try it....but it would be really cool of you to tell me how it uses the layer 3 codec - -- ITS ALL ABOUT THE BEAT Sean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:32:28 PST From: "Aimee Couture" Subject: (orbital) Content-Type: text/plain Hey- I finally remembered something I meant to say a while ago... My friend Katherine called me on Monday to tell me that part of 'Satan' was used in Nikita (the TV show).... which brings me to better news. 'Cuz of me, she got In Sides for Christmas... Woohoo. It's progress. Another thing, and REALLY off-topic. I just finished a new writing piece, and I'd like to know what you guys think of it before I post it to the Writers' Workshop on my school e-mail system for english class. You can find it at http://members.tripod.com/~pumpkinsgirl/fail.htm Aak... 11:30. Time to get my ass of the computer and do that damn homework. And I have to pick a piece of music for my entire music class to analyze... I'd **LOVE** to do the extended version of the box... but we'll be doing the listening in Tutorial session.. that's 40 minutes long and the track is what, 28? Damn. Too long. I have no clue what the hell I'm gonna play for them... Aimee ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:48:28 PST From: "Aimee Couture" Subject: Re: (orbital) pathetic state of music appreciation in public Woohoo. Good point..... What do drugs have to do with the music? I don't do drugs, and I'm not planning on doing them. I hate 'em. And I still love music. I'm not trying to be a preachy little kid... but when you see your friends slipping away 'cuz of drugs, it really hurts. When you think the guy you're dating is really great.. it hurts to find out about his drug use. I still cry when I think about all the needle marks in Richard's arms and the first time I saw where he hid all his shit. The guy was fuckin FIFTEEN years old and a heroin addict. What the fuck is wrong with this world? Aimee ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:32:53 -0500 (EST) From: ed naylor Subject: Re: (orbital) pathetic state of music appreciation in public > Good point..... What do drugs have to do with the music? I don't do > drugs, and I'm not planning on doing them. I hate 'em. And I still > love music. "Drugs" = caffeine, cannabis, nicotine, heroin, MDMA, amphetamines, ibuprofen, Prozac, aspirin, alcohol, cocaine, love, music, etc. etc. Some are good, some are bad. Some are good at some times but bad at others, and vice-versa. The point is they are not all the same. > ard's arms and the first time I saw where he hid all his shit. The > guy was fuckin FIFTEEN years old and a heroin addict. What the fuck is > wrong with this world? Sad story, but the point is what exactly? Anyone know anyone who uses heroin to enjoy dance music? No, nor me. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:03:11 +0000 From: Tim Subject: Re: (orbital) pathetic state of music appreciation in public Right. Enough. Can people please understand that things are very different between some attitudes in the States and in europe especially Holland and the UK. For some people in the UK, a certain drug, MDMA goes hand in hand with raving/clubbing etc. There has been a lot said, that without this drug Acid house, techno and *sigh* electronica would never have even got off the ground. Because someone pops a pill at a rave or an Orbital gig does not mean that they are going to start mainlining heroin next week. A little known phrase is occasionally used among on-line ravers called PLUR. This stands for Peace Love Unity and Respect. Please learn to respect that drugs are an individuals decision, and that the attidude "Drugs Suck!" is almost as narrow minded as "Drugs Rool" or whatever. When I talked about the Crystal Method having song titles which have a lot of links to drugs (in another thread) I meant I thought it was sad. Writing lots of songs and then naming them after things about drugs (Cherry Twist, Shes my pusher, Trip like I do, Bad Stone) ain't big or clever. In fact it tells me that the guys haven't got a lot of tact. The Beatles did it ages ago, and with a better song IMO. As for the thing about the poser, fine. That's your belief. I could write loads of stuff pointing out that I disagree with you, but I accept that it would get nowhere. I would not change your opinion and I doubt that you would change mine. I also don't think it's fair on the list to bore them with it. The argument "get high of the music" is fine if that's what you want to do. So long as you are happy with your decision I am happy. But some people enjoy the music so much more when they have taken a pill. And to me that's all it is. A very good time. Could you please respect that?. If you have any flames please send them to the university address below as I am going back their on Sunday. Cheers. - -- Tim W . email: tim@jlwynne.demon.co.uk . timothy.wynne@stud.umist.ac.uk "..Tie me up an feed me PINS!.." . tel & SMS : (+44) 958 747 643 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:33:04 -0700 (MST) From: Matthew J Abate Subject: Re: (orbital) pathetic state of music appreciation in public > If you can't get high off a live performance or a dance floor then you're not a music lover, your a POSER. I know there are people on this list who regularly take their meth (or whatever) and go raving....you're the ones I'm talking to. Please display an ounce of integrity and quit the drugs.> You're right about the music and performances, but how can you assume that casual use of illegal mind altering substances shows a lack of integrity? Are you falling back on the stereotype that all drug users are theves and transients, or wastes of space? Just because someone chooses to alter their reality doesn't mean that they're out to screw the rest of us. It's their choice to do it or not. Just because it's illegal doesn't mean that the laws are right; look at all of the wierd laws that we used to have restricting us. When you tell someone that they can't you are taking away theier personnal freedom to live the way that they want to. I don't give a shit if you think drug use is un-cool, bad, damaging to society, the stimulus for world histeria, the cause of crime and the reeason that people commit crime. I'd say the same thing about Christianity and sex. Stay out of my way and I'll stay out of yours. aphasia.................................................? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:52:51 -0700 (MST) From: Matthew J Abate Subject: (orbital) Roni Size I wen't to my local store and checked out the new Roni Size. Very underprocessed. Not so great to me. I don't know what all of the hubbub is about. It sounded like some kid that just got his tables. (Of course I couldn't do any better) aphasia.................................................? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:02:02 PST From: "Aimee Couture" Subject: (orbital) Re: all the drugs messages mdma is used a lot in the scene here too. But that doesn’t mean drugs have to go ‘hand in hand with raving/clubbing etc.’ Drugs are never required to have a good time. And yeah, doing the total ‘Drugs suck’ thing is just as narrow minded as going ‘drugs rule’... But who ever said that I’m narrow minded like that? I hate drugs. That doesn’t mean I’m going to get in my friends faces and yell and scream at them until they stop. If they want to do drugs, that’s their problem. I can’t stop them, because I have no control over their lives. Oh God. PLUR... I’m not even gonna start with how unrealistic the whole concept is.. I would, but I’ve been through the whole discussion about that already, and I don’t feel like going through it again. Just think about it for a bit.. good idea, but it just doesn’t work. Just because I personally choose to not use drugs does not mean I’m up on my damn soapbox trying to rid the world of all drugs. If you wanna use them, use them. It’s your life. Do what you want with it. Aimee ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:11:31 -0600 From: "Anthony W. Agee" Subject: (orbital) drug abuse (non-orbital) >You're right about the music and performances, but how can you assume that >casual use of illegal mind altering substances shows a lack of integrity? Speeding is against the law. I speed all the time. There are legal drugs that can be nearly as worse as illegal drugs. I don't draw the line between "good drugs" or "bad drugs" because that would be a momentous task. On the rare occassion that I drink alcohol I am careful to not use it to the level where my perception of reality is altered. Alcohol is much easier to measure and to control which is why it is legal whereas illegal drugs have varying levels of potency (even of the same type) and almost always used to alter the users perception of his/her enviroment. Now, if responsible ravers popped these pills and managed to keep themselves in check at raves that would be ANOTHER THING ENTIRELY. However, if you've been to a rave you know this simply is not the case. My beef with drug abusers? 1. Raves/clubs are used as places to load up. 2. Police know this and bust parties. 3. The innocent, drug-free raver gets to go home at midnight with nothing else to do. Do you *really* think the police would be hounding parties (at least, in the U.S. this happens) if there weren't drugs there? How do we solve this problem? There are two solutions: 1) We let things continue as they are and risk that our raves won't be broken up (I'd say close to 40% chance they'll be busted). O R 2)We kindly ask others to take their Happiness In a Pill at another time, preferably at home, preferably not before they go clubbing. >Are you falling back on the stereotype that all drug users are theves and >transients, or wastes of space? I imply only an annoyance. >Just because someone chooses to alter >their reality doesn't mean that they're out to screw the rest of us. It's not their intention, but it happens all of the time. >It's their choice to do it or not. Absolutely. > I don't give a shit if you think drug use is un-cool, bad, damaging to society, the >stimulus for world histeria, the cause of crime and the reeason that >people commit crime. Illegal drug use doesn't always lead to crime or accidents, but the possibilities are multiplied. This is not even disputable, it is clear. >Stay out of my way and I'll stay out of yours. That is PRECISELY my point. If you want to do it, do it at home when you can listen to your 2Unlimited CDs in private. If you're going to be interacting with the public, act like a fucking decent human being. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ End of orbital-digest V2 #33 ****************************