From: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com (orbital-digest) To: orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: orbital-digest V2 #44 Reply-To: orbital-digest Sender: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-NoArchive: yes orbital-digest Wednesday, February 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 044 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 06:43:36 -0500 From: Scott Sandau Subject: (orbital) Tribal Gathering I caught a part of a clip from TV about a get together called Tribal Gathering. When is it and where is it, and will they be doing it again this year? It was amazing!!!! Also, does anyone know who I should contact about getting a video of it (Much Music or MTV), or is there a video of it for sale???? Thanks. Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 16:58:17 EST From: ZenAngel7@aol.com Subject: (orbital) I got it recorded... I was up at one last night, or should I say this morning, I was tired but I wanted to see Amp, so I set me VCR to record and fell into sleep. I woke up the next morning and popped in the tape. And geuss what I saw? The video for Halcyon!!!!!!! slick. I heard someone say its a bitch to see, but I now own a copy. HA!!!!!! sam. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:17:35 EST From: Gotfusu@aol.com Subject: (orbital) 2k / Non Orbital Im sure that this single has come up in conversation on this list, but I havent been on for about 6 months so Im kinda out of it. How difficult is it to find the single of 2k F**k the Millenium in the different areas of the globe? I got mine fairly easily on a budget rack, and from the sounds of it , thats where they intended it to be. Its not very good, and while listening I keep asking myself: Are these the same geniuses that orchestrated the album Chill Out?? Too rebellius for my taste :) On the other hand we have our favorite (Orbital) which continues to evade mass American hype (which I love), while being in virtually every MTV background music segment and still continue to create newer, more innovative productions. Yes there are many more on this list than only a year and a half ago. But they have discovered Orbital and have pursued their interest this far!(and sometimes sifting through over 40 messages per day can be a pain). Someone once said on this list ( I believe it was Steve 'Loopz' Price) that there is one thing common amongst Orbital fans... "We all love their music very passionately." Well, Ive caught up on a couple of months worth of rantings, any perspectives? Dr Vasew # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 07:20:22 -0500 From: "John Stiteler" Subject: Re: (orbital) 2k / Not Non Orbital > From: Gotfusu@aol.com > To: orbital@xmission.com > Subject: (orbital) 2k / Non Orbital > Date: Monday, February 16, 1998 12:17 AM > > > Im sure that this single has come up in conversation on this list, but I > havent been on for about 6 months so Im kinda out of it. How difficult is it > to find the single of 2k F**k the Millenium in the different areas of the > globe? I got mine fairly easily on a budget rack, and from the sounds of it , > thats where they intended it to be. Its not very good, and while listening I > keep asking myself: Are these the same geniuses that orchestrated the album > Chill Out?? Too rebellius for my taste :) F**k The Millenium can be found in the singles racks over here (Northeast US) for about 4 or 5 bucks. I'm not a Huge KLF fan, but I have been looking for the "Ultra Rare Trax" bootleg for a couple years. > On the other hand we have our favorite (Orbital) which continues to evade > mass American hype (which I love), while being in virtually every MTV > background music segment and still continue to create newer, more innovative > productions. Yes there are many more on this list than only a year and a half > ago. But they have discovered Orbital and have pursued their interest this > far!(and sometimes sifting through over 40 messages per day can be a pain). > Someone once said on this list ( I believe it was Steve 'Loopz' Price) that > there is one thing common amongst Orbital fans... "We all love their music > very passionately." Speaking of all this, I heard some murmuring about a new orbital (and new underworld) album due early this year. Can anyone indicate that this is indeed true? johns@nowonder.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:13:55 -0700 From: "Daniel Kasaj" Subject: (orbital) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:14:48 +0100 I have an extra copy of Olive's "Extra Virgin" album for sale or (preferrably) trade. Talk to me if you're interested. Daniel ::::::::::::::::: "layering different sounds" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:34:29 +0000 From: "Morey Gamble" Subject: Re: (orbital) 2k / Non Orbital > Im sure that this single has come up in conversation on this list, but I > havent been on for about 6 months so Im kinda out of it. How difficult is it > to find the single of 2k F**k the Millenium in the different areas of the > globe? I got mine fairly easily on a budget rack, and from the sounds of it , > thats where they intended it to be. Its not very good, and while listening I > keep asking myself: Are these the same geniuses that orchestrated the album > Chill Out?? Too rebellius for my taste :) I found F*ck the millenium at a crappy little indie record store here a coupla months ago, and yes, it was pretty lousy. This store is generally pretty crappy, but they were the only store in town to have the new Goldie the day it came out. (Of course I also got the Times Fly 12", Dead Cities 12", and the Orb Tripping on Sunshine 12" there..) - -Morey # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:40:00 -0500 From: decoy@globalserve.net Subject: (orbital) wot's this i haven't heard of this yet, but is it anything new and/or exclusive? SPIRITUAL VIBES - VARIOUS INC REMIXES BY ORBITAL/UNDERWOCD # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 17:45:57 -0000 From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) The "REAL" Orbital remix >anybody out there [steve :)] know what happened with the real remix >competition put on by orbital for what was to be the second single from >Sniv? i remember the separate audio files were available for download >(maybe from hyperreal; my memory is shoddy) and they were supposed to be >combined and whatever and submitted. the winning remix was supposed to >be included on the next single. i think i remember even seeing an add >in billboard or rolling stone about this. >did orbital ever get any remixes from people? what happened to them? >etc. just give me the lowdown. This was NEVER backed by Orbital. There was a company in the US that decided to host a remix by supplying a bunch of Crash and Carry samples. I actually asked Paul about this a few year back....as i wanted to get these samples and also find out what u are asking. He said that he had a few people asking about this...and never knew jack shit about it. I remember getting the host address that did the samples and contacting them...they stated that the samples were long gone and had no further comment as to what happened to the enteries. There is only one REAL Orbital remix competition... Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.rise.co.uk/orbital # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:37:17 -0500 From: galbraith.16@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (STARpango) Subject: Re: (orbital) 2k / Not Non Orbital >Speaking of all this, I heard some murmuring about a new orbital (and new >underworld) album due early this year. Can anyone indicate that this is >indeed true? > >johns@nowonder.com underworld is supposed to have their album out in march and april at the very latest. this months MIXMAG (UK edition) had a clip about P&P saying that they are still in the studio but have finished 8 tracks. they also noted that this new album is a lot of "four to the floor" stuff which excites me greatly!!, STARp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:42:56 -0500 From: galbraith.16@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (STARpango) Subject: Re: (orbital) Tribal Gathering > >I caught a part of a clip from TV about a get together called Tribal >Gathering. When is it and where is it, and will they be doing it again >this year? It was amazing!!!! >Also, does anyone know who I should contact about getting a video of it >(Much Music or MTV), or is there a video of it for sale???? >Thanks. >Scott i know someone can answer this without you buying anything but in this months MIXMAG (uk edition) there was a full page ad for it. my memory is a little rough but i think it was May 1,2,and 3. 1998. not sure about that. the logo for this year's event is very cool. STARp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:11:15 -0600 From: "Anthony W. Agee" Subject: Re: (orbital) 2k / Not Non Orbital >underworld is supposed to have their album out in march and april at the >very latest. this months MIXMAG (UK edition) had a clip about P&P saying >that they are still in the studio but have finished 8 tracks. they also >noted that this new album is a lot of "four to the floor" stuff which >excites me greatly!!, Hey Star, I thought you left the list. I'm sorry to sound ignorant....but what exactly does "four to the floor" mean? Does that mean it will be more aggressive or perhaps more "dancey"? Anthony # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:02:19 -0500 (EST) From: ed naylor Subject: Re: (orbital) Tribal Gathering On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 06:43:36 -0500 Scott Sandau wrote: > > I caught a part of a clip from TV about a get together called Tribal > Gathering. When is it and where is it, and will they be doing it again > this year? It was amazing!!!! Yes, it was good (especially Kraftwerk) and yes, "they" are doing it again at Knebworth on the weekend of May 23-24 (this is a holiday weekend here in Britain). It's going to be more of a mini-festival than an all-nighter this time with people camping and stuff, which rules me out (I have exams that week anyway). The Brighton Essential festival is also scheduled for that weekend I believe .. Instead of TG I shall be going to "Creamfields" which is the alternative all-nighter that is being run by the mighty Cream organisation based here in Liverpool, and takes place on the preceding holiday weekend at the start of May. Only found out on Saturday night that it's being held in deepest, darkest Winchester though which is a drawback, and I don't know anything about the line-up yet but with Cream's reputation for delivering the goods, I reckon it will be an event to remember. Don't know of a CD or video of last year's TG - MTV showed a lot of clips and Radio One broadcast a lot, so someone may have some tapes they could lend you. Ed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:28:33 -0500 (EST) From: STARpango Subject: (orbital) four to the floor reply to Agee: nope i've been here the whole time, never left :) as for "four to the floor" it means it some dancey music in 4/4 time for you music buffs. just like double eight is what DJ's drop jungle and dnb at!!!! it's easy for the body to dance to 4/4 and 8/8 than lets 3/4 time. ah DIGGER i don't think your going to fly to england to go to TG but i'll get you the info anyway :) STARp out # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:48:55 -0600 (CST) From: phlux@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (orbital) four to the floor On 02/16/98 19:28:33 you wrote: > > >reply to Agee: > >nope i've been here the whole time, never left :) as for "four to the >floor" it means it some dancey music in 4/4 time for you music buffs. >just like double eight is what DJ's drop jungle and dnb at!!!! it's easy >for the body to dance to 4/4 and 8/8 than lets 3/4 time. Unless your waltzing ;) ROB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:39:31 -0800 From: "dxford@earthlink.net" Subject: (orbital) Paul Hartnoll in Mixmag You know speaking of the current issue of Mixmag, has anyone seen the pic on page 31 that is captioned as being Paul Hartnoll? Is this really him? The face looks somewhat like his but it looks like the hair standing up on top of his hair was digitally added. Steve? .MatthewFord. Still very pissed about the fact that the electronic music section he runs was changed to Electronica just as he was going to propose a change from its current title which was "dance" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:45:59 -0000 From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) RESEND - Orbital REMIX Competition - the old one >anybody out there [steve :)] know what happened with the real remix >competition put on by orbital for what was to be the second single from >Sniv? i remember the separate audio files were available for download >(maybe from hyperreal; my memory is shoddy) and they were supposed to be >combined and whatever and submitted. the winning remix was supposed to >be included on the next single. i think i remember even seeing an add >in billboard or rolling stone about this. >did orbital ever get any remixes from people? what happened to them? >etc. just give me the lowdown. This was NEVER backed by Orbital. There was a company in the US that decided to host a remix by supplying a bunch of Crash and Carry samples. I actually asked Paul about this a few year back....as i wanted to get these samples and also find out what u are asking. He said that he had a few people asking about this...and never knew jack shit about it. I remember getting the host address that did the samples and contacting them...they stated that the samples were long gone and had no further comment as to what happened to the enteries. There is only one REAL Orbital remix competition... Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.rise.co.uk/orbital # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:21:51 -0500 (EST) From: STARpango Subject: (orbital) re: Paul Hartnoll in Mixmag oh yeh it's paul alright!!!! i think he's leaving the bald look behind either that or it's just the wintertime du. i thought the interview with Robert Miles was worth buying it this month, not like i wouldn't buy it anyway....... STAR p STARpango .....IRC at US.UNDERNET.ORG, channel: #orbital, logged on as StarPango .....Home Phone: 740.494.2346 .....Pager: 614.590.7185 .....Email To Pager: 6148464515.69000179@pagenet.net Maximum of 240 Characters! .....Email at galbraith.16@osu.edu or STARpango@AOL.COM .....Alphanumeric Pager: 61469000179 website access : http://www.pagenet.com/sendpg.cgi Region: Columbus,Ohio AlphaPIN: 69000179 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:37:46 -0000 From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) RE: Paul Hartnoll in Mixmag Not many people realise that Paul Hartnoll has had hair from 1993 - He does shave it short but he hasnt been bald for years.....unlike Phil (ive never seen him with Hair - has anyone!). But...yes...that picture....quite funny....he looks pissed up for a change :) Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.rise.co.uk/orbital >---------- >From: dxford@earthlink.net[SMTP:dxford@earthlink.net] >Sent: 17 Feb 1998 07:39 >To: orbital@xmission.com >Cc: Price, Steve A >Subject: Paul Hartnoll in Mixmag > >You know speaking of the current issue of Mixmag, has anyone seen the >pic on page 31 that is captioned as being Paul Hartnoll? Is this really >him? The face looks somewhat like his but it looks like the hair >standing up on top of his hair was digitally added. Steve? > >.MatthewFord. >Still very pissed about the fact that the electronic music section he >runs was changed to Electronica just as he was going to propose a change >from its current title which was "dance" > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:14:52 -0800 From: "morpheus" Subject: (orbital) A London Shopping List Hey, Can anyone in the UK, especially London, tell me approximately how much the following CD's would cost there and the availability of them. I have a friend going to London during Spring Break and I'm getting him to buy me some cd's. He will most likely not be visiting underground shops so what are the main stores like? Autechre - Incanubula Autechre - Basscadet EP Orbital - Halcyon EP Orbital - Are We Here EP B12 - Time Tourist thanx for any help. cya morpheus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:34:00 -0500 From: DORIS.HERNANDEZ@elektra.com Subject: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me hi, y'all. how was everyone's valentine's day? putrid? well, i finally saw hackers on cable two nights ago. i thought i was going to dismiss it, but actually liked it alot. it was a better movie than some of the schlock i'd had to sit through recently. but, my question was, do people like this still really exist? i mean, are there some geniuses still running around causing trouble or have there been clean outs in recent years? this is all pretty fascinating to me, considering i barely squeaked by learning computers in high school. and back then, all we used were these teeny baby macs. ok, lata. you're all so quiet today... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:57:50 PST From: "Aimee Couture" Subject: (orbital) Online shopping Hey guys- www.musicshop.co.uk... anybody shopped through them before?? Know anything about them?? They seem to have pretty good prices.. I could get the Radiccio Ep, Midnight and Lush for £15.80 with the shipping included... is this good? bad? ugly? Aimee ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:37:04 +0000 From: "Morey Gamble" Subject: Re: (orbital) 2k / Not Non Orbital > I'm sorry to sound ignorant....but what exactly does "four to the floor" > mean? Does that mean it will be more aggressive or perhaps more "dancey"? It generally refers to house music where the kick drum hits on every quarter note, therefore four times per measure. the 'on the floor' is, I think, a reference to how easily danceable this style of beat tends to make a song. (Think 'Boom Boom Boom Boom Boom Boom Boom Boom' ) - -Morey # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:06:11 -0600 (CST) From: phlux@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me On 02/17/98 13:34:00 you wrote: > > > > hi, y'all. how was everyone's valentine's day? putrid? That about sums it up ......stupid Hallmark holiday. > well, i finally saw hackers on cable two nights ago. i thought i was > going to dismiss it, but actually liked it alot. it was a better movie > than some of the schlock i'd had to sit through recently. but, my > question was, do people like this still really exist? i mean, are > there some geniuses still running around causing trouble or have there > been clean outs in recent years? this is all pretty fascinating to me, > considering i barely squeaked by learning computers in high school. > and back then, all we used were these teeny baby macs. I don't think to that level but there are tons of geeks out there busting into other people's servers, planting viruses and causing havoc. ROB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:51:53 -0600 From: Sean Granger Subject: Re: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me DORIS.HERNANDEZ@elektra.com wrote: > > > well, i finally saw hackers on cable two nights ago. i thought i was > going to dismiss it, but actually liked it alot. it was a better movie > than some of the schlock i'd had to sit through recently. but, my > question was, do people like this still really exist? i mean, are > there some geniuses still running around causing trouble or have there > been clean outs in recent years? this is all pretty fascinating to me, > considering i barely squeaked by learning computers in high school. > and back then, all we used were these teeny baby macs. its mostly pirates *glance to Leqash, and a grin*, rippers: record company pisser-offers who take music from cds/tapes/etc. and make MPEG 1 Layer 3 Audio (.MP3) files with it (only HALF the quality, if you wanna call CDs "quality", as a CD, though it is a good way to see if you want to buy something) and then there are people who live by the REAL meaning of hacker....they're the psychos that bring you new technology and the freaks that seem to know every nook and cranny of the newest software/hardware out, they're the people who run your corporate networks, the stereotypically (though not actually) geeky people who stay up all hours of the night tweaking away at their favorite OS's (usually Linux, Solaris, HP/UX or some other rad variant of Unix) processes. The age of breaking into systems may be over, but the hacker still survives.... - -- ITS ALL ABOUT THE BEAT Sean P.S> I'm going to shut my mouth now... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:07:26 EST From: DarkSun3@aol.com Subject: Re: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me >> >> hi, y'all. how was everyone's valentine's day? putrid? > >That about sums it up ......stupid Hallmark holiday. my sentiments exactly. y'know something's gone terribly commercially wrong when on the radio they are trying to sell auto parts for valentine's day. no joke. "this valentine's day, buy your sweetie a set of new brake pads or shock absorbers..." >>but, my >> question was, do people like this still really exist? yes, but i'd venture to say that there are probably very few havoc-causing- genius-kids who hang out at nightclubs all the time, go everywhere on in-line skates, wear designer stylish sunglasses and gear, and are so incredibly glamorous and teen-magazine-polished-looking as those kids in the movie. that's the thing that bugged me the most about the movie- too much glamour and excitement in a relatively unglamorous and less eventful activity.... what say? - -Aaron t h e s p e c t r e w e b http://members.aol.com/amspectre # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:32:08 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Ash Subject: (orbital) Valentines day Are all of you people so cynical about love? You shouldn't look at it as a chore or a burden to do something special for the person you are in love with one. It's a day set aside to go that extra mile and show someone how much you love them, and you can easily do so without spending alot of money on assorted cheesy merchandise. I realize that alot of people don't have a true love, and thus get all pissy when Valentine's day rolls around--i used to be the same way--but when you are truly in love it is a very special day indeed. Mike the hopeless romantics flame away, any of you pissed-off cynical individuals put off by the concept of love # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:59:34 -0500 (EST) From: Kerry Marek Subject: Re: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 DarkSun3@aol.com wrote: > >>but, my > >> question was, do people like this still really exist? > > yes, but i'd venture to say that there are probably very few havoc-causing- > genius-kids who hang out at nightclubs all the time, go everywhere on in-line > skates, wear designer stylish sunglasses and gear, and are so incredibly > glamorous and teen-magazine-polished-looking as those kids in the movie. > that's the thing that bugged me the most about the movie- too much glamour and > excitement in a relatively unglamorous and less eventful activity.... what > say? i saw hackers along with everyone... it was definitely unrealistic in the way the actors lived thier lives, but admit it... if the movie portrayed real hackers (no offense), the ones that sit all day in front of their computers not getting a tan or going out, would you watch the movie? just my thoughts... oh, i never introduced myself to the list... i'm kerry. and i like orbital... i was truned onto em last spring and saw em once at lollapoluza. this is a cool list... i'm getting tons of info. thanks. Kerry... email me at: kmarek@wam.umd.edu http://aquarium.student.umd.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:46:05 -0500 (EST) From: brian lorraine Subject: Re: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me gasp and u didnt tell em who introduced to to orbital? HEHEH >:P peace, brain # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:18:42 +0100 From: "Daniel Kasaj" Subject: Re: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me Sean Granger wrote: >its mostly pirates *glance to Leqash, and a grin*, rippers: record >company pisser-offers who take music from cds/tapes/etc. and make MPEG 1 >Layer 3 Audio (.MP3) files with it (only HALF the quality, if you wanna >call CDs "quality", as a CD, though it is a good way to see if you want >to buy something) and then there are people who live by the REAL meaning >of hacker....they're the psychos that bring you new technology and the Oi ?! Whatcha lookin at me for ? :) I never sold a single copy of any software in my whole life ! Not paying for the software you get is one thing, and pirating is a completely different matter. And that DOES include layer three files. Anyway, the word 'hacker' or 'hackers' doesn't stand just for kids who break in large systems, but for people that are advanced in using their computers, getting their knowledge in simple trial-and-error procedures. What it means is that noone helps them, noone shows them what to do, and they certainly don't read manauals or books. Maybe readme files, but that only after a couple of days of frustration. :) And...I didn't like the movie all that much. Angelina Jolie looks far better in "Anybody seen my baby" :) [no accusations please, I don't even like the Rolling Stones] Daniel ::::::::::::::::: "bum so tight he was bouncing off the walls" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:01:44 -0800 From: "dxford@earthlink.net" Subject: Re: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me Daniel Kasaj wrote: > > Sean Granger wrote: > >its mostly pirates *glance to Leqash, and a grin*, rippers: record > >company pisser-offers who take music from cds/tapes/etc. and make MPEG 1 > >Layer 3 Audio (.MP3) files with it (only HALF the quality, if you wanna > >call CDs "quality", as a CD, though it is a good way to see if you want > >to buy something) and then there are people who live by the REAL meaning > >of hacker....they're the psychos that bring you new technology and the > > Oi ?! Whatcha lookin at me for ? :) I never sold a single copy of any > software in my whole life ! Not paying for the software you get is one > thing, and pirating is a completely different matter. And that DOES > include layer three files. > > Anyway, the word 'hacker' or 'hackers' doesn't stand just for kids who > break in large systems, but for people that are advanced in using their > computers, getting their knowledge in simple trial-and-error procedures. > What it means is that noone helps them, noone shows them what to do, > and they certainly don't read manauals or books. Maybe readme files, > but that only after a couple of days of frustration. :) This almost complete BS. Not that I want to start a flame war with you or anything because up to this point Ive respected everything youve posted. Being a hacker DOES NOT mean that noone gives you help in learning the so called forbidden ins and outs of technology. The main reason hackers havent died out is because of the hacker COMMUNITY. Working together not only for a free information society but for a greater understanding. It is shit to say that most hackers never read manually and always learn by trial and error because hackers pride them selves in gaining access to forbidden systems but in gaining access to the also forbidden manuals and documents on those systems. Let it be known that even though hackers are "known" to be crude to new comers they also understand that without these newcomers, their kind would die. All of this refers to what most call REAL HACKERS and NOT criminals who employ hacker techniques in order to rip people off while making a profit for themselves. As for the movie "Hackers", I pretty much despised it. The music was great (ultimatly, I credit it to introducing me to the Hartnolls). The only truly believable characters were Lord Nikon and Emmanuel Goldstein(Cereal Killer). For those that dont know, these are the names of real hackers. The real life Emmanuel is the founder and editor in chief of 2600 magazine:The Hacker Quarterly. Does his name sound familiar? Read 1984. Dont be mad. Just callin em like I see 'em. .MatthewFord. [a drum 'n bass compiliation] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:09:27 +0100 From: "Daniel Kasaj" Subject: Re: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me dxford@earthlink.net wrote: >Working together not only for a free information society but for a >greater understanding. It is shit to say that most hackers never read >manually and always learn by trial and error because hackers pride them >selves in gaining access to forbidden systems but in gaining access to >the also forbidden manuals and documents on those systems. this is completely true. but you see, to be able to write those forbidden manuals, you have to be a hacker too (or maybe you can just collect a bunch of docs and re-write and summarize them in a manual). now, it doesn't mean that you gained the knowledge all by yourself, but you almost certainly added a couple of your own tricks there. This is hacking - having the courage, intuition and the idea to try something people around you didn't. You can be a hacker if you can break in a massive USAF computer, but also if you got so frustrated and edited your savegame file to read large amounts of money, in a disk editor back in the old DOS times. In my previous post I was reffering to things like that one. Hackers by all means have communities, and the knowledge and information definitely should be passed on. It was my mistake to try and define hackers in so little words, but nowdays the term really got branched out and you can't possibly capture all the directions it's headed. >Dont be mad. Just callin em like I see 'em. No, I absolutely value your opinion and don't see this as a flame or anything...it's nice to see some discussions growing even though they're completely off topic.I support them :) Daniel ::::::::::::::::: "life is no ordeal" p.s. thanks for respecting my posts, means alot when someone says something like that. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info orbital" in the message. # Postings must go to orbital@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ End of orbital-digest V2 #44 ****************************