From: "Michael Matott" <greyfalconsaerie@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: the others
Date: 01 Apr 2000 21:37:45 PST

>
>
>The OThers is really nothing like the TP at all with maybe the exception 
>that
>they have some powers but not powers they can always control...and mostly
>into the supernatural realm of Heaven and hell and all that goes in 
>between.
>It is a very good show but seemed very different than the TP.
>

But, as it deals with the paranormal, it's likely to appeal to TP fans.

I think what got the reposting about it was the pic from the website of the 
cast around a glowing table, with their hands outstretched and fingertips 
just shy of touching. :-)  Looking nothing at all like something we've seen 
many times before. <grin>

mike
- do ya think the people who came up with that shot idea were TP fans?
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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: the others
Date: 02 Apr 2000 01:39:53 EST

No, I doubt they were  TP fans--I think they were setting up a seance scene.



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Subject: TPDIS: tctp5
Date: 02 Apr 2000 01:40:25 EST

1986-1987

Becomes 90 Minutes (previous episodes were one hour)

112-OUT OF CONTROL
Toby regains consciousness in time to save the satellite, but not Kevin. 
Chip, off satellite, helps Jeff break out. TIM is found to be beyond normal 
repair. Andrea views Kevin's video will. Renny and Frasier discover Julia's 
treachery and rescue a weak and devastated Terry. The entire membership is 
made aware of the accident. Andrea, memories hurting her too much, leaves the 
TP with she and Kevin's unborn child. Chip's friend, Jeff Martin (Rob Stone 
of MR. BELVEDERE) breaks out. NOTE: Jeff appeared in Season 4 and started in 
the episode 105-FIRE AND WATER).

113-MARRIAGE MADE IN HEAVEN
Elizabeth becomes Mrs. Gary Novell. Terry does some serious soul searching, 
hoping to heal the pain in his heart caused by Julia. Julia plots to capture 
and use the TP. Liz, wanting her happiness to last, resigns as leader and 
becomes a reservist. Dion is elected the new leader. Tyso reports Stephen's 
voluntary disappearance.

114-CHOICE PRIZE
Toby shoulders all the blame for the accident, despite absolution by the 
group. Jeff's scientist parents want to sacrifice him for a nobel prize when 
he reveals his powers to them. A valley girl has a breakout attack in a local 
mall. Stevi Weeks (April Lerman) joins the TP.

115-APPEARANCES
Jeff, made a prisoner by his father, is rescued by Chip and Toby. Evan 
disappears while visiting home. Toby unveils his new, improved reconstruction 
of TIM.

116-RESERVATIONS--INDIAN AND OTHERWISE
Lorraine and Danette go looking for Evan. Accidental radiation overload while 
cleaning the satellite fells Jeff. Darren helps fellow college student Tina 
Bracken (Kristina Malandro) break out.

117-TRIBAL WARFARE
Evan is being held prisoner by his village's doctor, who is working for 
Julia. Lorraine and Danette go to Terry for help, who reveals Julia's 
intentions to the whole of the group. Evan escapes with aid from an 
unexpected source. Evan's rescuer is not seen nor revealed yet. Later we find 
out it is the missing Stephen Jamieson.

118-COO COO U
A teenager, put into a mental institution by a greedy stepfather, breaks out 
when his doctor tries to kill him. Derek Tomlin (Rodney Pearson), while being 
rescued by Darren and Frasier, tells his story of imprisonment. Toby and Chip 
try a dangerous last ditch effort to save a dying Jeff.

119-EXILES
Dion raises the group's anger when he exiles Toby, Chip and Jeff  to Earth 
with power blocked for trying the dangerous cure attempt. A young record 
producer and performer jaunts during a performance. Trent Wilson (Mike 
Hartung) joins.

120-ON OUR OWN
Trent is oriented by Terry, who takes over Toby's usual duties while Toby is 
in a forced exile on Earth. Dion stands his ground over his decision to exile 
the three. Endrei discovers Julia's latest plan, involving the CIA and the 
KGB. Toby, Chip, and Jeff discuss their exile.

121-RELAPSE
Toby frantically tries to contact TIM when Jeff suffers a relapse but finds 
all communications blocked, even telephone. The membership votes to override 
Dion's exile order.

122-INTERNAL DIFFICULTIES
Ex exiles Toby, Chip, and Jeff return to the satellite following the vote 
that Evan called. Dion is angry about having his first major decision 
overrode. Toby races against time to drain radiation from Jeff. When Dion 
shows no regret of his original decision, Toby in an un-TP like rage, decks 
the new leader, despite Dion's foot taller height.

123-SCAMMING
With help from the TP, Derek plots to bring his conniving and murderous step 
father to justice. Derek tricks his step father into confessing his 
intentions to Interpol agent Chris Harding. Toby apologizes to Dion, who 
tells the younger man he'll try to do better.

124-MUSICAL MAYHEM
Trent helps Terry and his band land a major gig. Julia plots to recapture 
Terry after his concert, which she attends in disguise. Trent innocently 
alerts Dion of Julia's plot against Terry, and makes sure the woman is unable 
to get near the young singer.

125-FEELINGS OF INADEQUACY
Dion is angered by Terry's showbiz dreams, fearing it will make it easier for 
people to discover the TP. Tina goes undercover at Julia's mansion to find 
out her long range plans.

126-UNDERGROUND CELLS
Tina reports that Julia is turning her acreage into an underground fortress, 
designed to keep TP captives. Toby informs Jeff that his radiation sickness 
is permanent but controllable with regular treatments and promises the new TP 
to keep looking for a cure.

127-OFF WORLD TROUBLE
Mike calls from Sharonna to inform the TP that they have almost completed 
their goal on Sharonna, then falls into a trap which could kill them all. JJ 
gets off an SOS. Danette and Toby talk about their relationship. Evan, Chip, 
Toby, Stevi, Jeff, and Danette are sent to help Mike.

128-POINT OF RETURN
Mike and his friends are sentenced to execution. With the help of the TP 
group, Mike and friends turn the tables and finally bring Mistress Alexia 
(Marj Dusay) to her downfall. Dreidal assumes the throne. Mike, Barney, and 
Barb decide to return home, following JJ and Adrianna's wedding while Tawny 
stays behind briefly to help restore proper order.

129-IN TRANSIT
Tawny returns home, while JJ stays behind as Adrianna's husband but a 
renegade comet streaks through Mike's signal, causing a malfunction and 
leaving Mike horribly burned and in pain. Toby must decide if he has the 
skill to conduct the operation that would save Mike's life.

130-PREMONITIONS
Mike's surgery is successful but leaves him with a new face (!?!?!). NOTE: 
Mike Cerveris (of FAME plays Mike--go throw up now. Jillian contemplates a 
change in her life. Stevi is attracted to Endrei, who is having a series of 
disturbing, precognitive dreams.

131-VISION OF DEATH
Liz, consulting with Dion, tells him to ease up on his by the book attitude. 
Endrei's dreams foretell his own death. Barney and Barb elope to Reno.

132-MISAPPROPRIATE OPPORTUNITY
Ignoring Liz's advice, Dion sends Terry and Renny into Julia's new 
stronghold, where an explosion leaves Renny facing the grim reaper. Jillian 
accuses Dion of being totally devoid of feelings.

133-HELL TRAP
Terry barely makes it back to the satellite, seriously injured. Toby tends to 
Terry's wounds while Jillian and Jesse jaunt in to help Tina free Renny, whom 
Julia plans to dissect following death.

134-RECOGNITION AND TRADITION
The rescue team saves Renny from certain doom, barely escaping from the 
furious Julia. Chip and Jeff discuss parents and powers. Dion breaks some 
long standing traditions.

135-THEORETICAL MUTINY
Dion humiliates Evan in front of a full assembly. Evan and Toby discuss 
theoretical mutiny for the good of the TP. Lorraine goes to the aid of an old 
friend.

136-KAMIKAZE TACTICS
Driadnai and Trent join Evan and Toby for a secret meeting. Dion uses his 
powers to sabotage Terry's record audition, believing he acts for the good of 
all the TP. Jillian decides to take her leave of the TP soon.

137-CONFRONTATIONS
Endrei's doom dream reoccurs, he decides to find out if Julia is the reason 
for his dreams. Barb and Barney decide to become reservists to start a 
family. Terry and Renny confront Dion about his attitude and his rights as a 
leader.

138-SPIRIT OF COOPERATION
Endrei, captured by Julia, agrees to cooperate with her if she will leave the 
rest of the TP alone, which she agrees to do, then promptly breaks her 
agreement. Darren and Frasier stumble upon a gang murder.

139-MURDEROUS FURY
Darren and Frasier, running from the murderous street gang, call upon Jesse 
for help. Dion asserts his position and tells Terry he will block the young 
musician's every attempt to be in the music business.

140-MIND SIFTER
Zeke and Dri fall into a trap set by Julia, who begins to use her new Mind 
Sifter, brainwashing them and forcing information out of her captives. The 
movement against Dion continues to grow.

141-FINAL CHANCE
Endrei, trying to stop Julia and her brutal brainwashing tactics, makes a 
multiple fatal choice. Zeke's memory is completely erased by Julia's mind 
sifter. Evan asks Liz to mediate problems between Dion and the growing 
majority of the membership. Jeff, weakened by his radiation sickness, suffers 
a major heart attack and collapses before he can call for help. Darren and 
Frasier escape from their street gang captors but Jesse gets stuck and is 
recaptured.

NOTES ON SEASON FIVE:
Actor Pat Talkington who played Kevin Holt was killed in a car accident, thus 
his character was supposed to have Kevin turn up missing but return early on. 
Lara Jill Miller's character was supposed to stay but the passing of Pat made 
her ask to leave. Michael Cerveris replaced Mike Holloway as Mike Bell. WHY? 
This was one of the worst of many bad moves by TC. And for no apparent 
reason. Christoff St John (playing Dion) became Kristoff St John. Keith 
Mitchell took on the name Keith Coogan (playing Toby). Toby fixed TIM and 
expanded him all over the satellite. His personality was given an overhaul as 
well and his voice became that of Vincent Price. As much as I like Price, 
this was yet another bad move in a series of bad moves. The 90 minute format 
seemed un-needed as not much continued to happen via each episode. Jeff 
Martin, a pivotal character for this season and the season to follow, was, in 
the first book, barely mentioned as breaking out. He also appeared in season 
four but was just briefly referred to as being in trouble! Anyway, Jeff broke 
out but knew Chip for a long time and was a lifelong friend. Jeff apparently 
broke out in early September of 1986. 

SPINOFF CHECKLIST:
STAR TEAM FOUR-single season
POINT OF NO RETURN-February mini series to conclude the series    

    



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From: Simon Fraser <SimonF78@tiny78.demon.co.uk>
Subject: TPDIS: Hi :)
Date: 03 Apr 2000 00:29:23 +0100

Hello List :)

Just a quick note, to introduce myself, and to ask a quick question
regarding a recent thread.  

My name is Simon Fraser, and I live in Perth, Scotland.  I'm 22 years
old and have never seen an episode of the Original TP series, and I've
only seen a couple of new series eps.

However having only seen a couple of eps I fell in love with the series
and have been dying to know more about it ever since.  If anybody knows
where I can get my hands on any TP eps at all, could you drop me a line
at : SimonF78@tiny78.demon.co.uk

Finally, if I could ask about the 'TCTP' threads I've been reading.  Is
this some sort of fanfic? Sorry if I'm being ignorant, but I'm rather
confused about the whole issue ;)  Another question is, is this material
still available, and if it is, Where?? :)

Thank you for putting up with my ramblings, and I hope I'll be able to
comment on future posts 

Thanks Again
-- 
Simon Fraser



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Hi :)
Date: 02 Apr 2000 22:58:06 EDT

Hi Simon, it's me the poster of the TCTP fan fic.

This was fan fic put out years ago in the 1980s and very early 1990 by a fan 
who called himself TC Kirkham. It is not available anywhere but here and it 
has never been fully written out as far as I know into full storylines so 
what you see is all there is. There is about 9 full seasons and lotsa 
spinoffs. There were extensive plans for a 10th season which I may post also, 
providing I have the inspiration and time. TC seems to have dropped out of TP 
fandom or is using an alias of some kind. I do not know. I do know a great 
deal of the material is very good and should be shared with the fans and the 
new fans. I never had any ordering trouble with TC at all, in fact, I got 
everything I paid for. I heard that others did have trouble. Anyway, this 
material is too good not to share (most of it anyway). I hope you and others 
like it. If anyone thinks I should not be posting it for any reason, let me 
know.     



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From: Jeremy Rogers <jeremy.rogers@zetnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Hi :)
Date: 03 Apr 2000 06:31:33 +0100

 CMento6653@aol.com wrote: 

> This was fan fic put out years ago in the 1980s and very early 1990 by a fan 
> who called himself TC Kirkham. It is not available anywhere but here and it 
> has never been fully written out as far as I know into full storylines so 
> what you see is all there is. There is about 9 full seasons and lotsa 
> spinoffs. There were extensive plans for a 10th season which I may post also, 
> providing I have the inspiration and time.

There is more than that - it goes up to at least season 12.

> TC seems to have dropped out of TP 
> fandom or is using an alias of some kind. I do not know. I do know a great 
> deal of the material is very good and should be shared with the fans and the 
> new fans. I never had any ordering trouble with TC at all, in fact, I got 
> everything I paid for. I heard that others did have trouble. Anyway, this 
> material is too good not to share (most of it anyway). I hope you and others 
> like it. If anyone thinks I should not be posting it for any reason, let me 
> know.     

It may be appropriate for TPFICT; I'm not at all convinced it is for TPDIS.

Jez
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From: "Shaun Hately"<drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: TPDIS: TC Kirkham
Date: 03 Apr 2000 23:30:47 +1000



>Hi Simon, it's me the poster of the TCTP fan fic.
>
>This was fan fic put out years ago in the 1980s and very early 1990 by a fan

>who called himself TC Kirkham.

TC Kirkham is currently an online Discjockey - so he's still on the web in one
form. He also appears to have some involvement in 'You Can't Do That on Television'
fandom - another of Roger Price's creations. He's not exactly keeping a low
profile from what I can see - and I doubt he'd be involved in TP fandom under
a pseudonym - if he was trying to hide, he could do a better job.

But I'm glad to see these story ideas being posted - I'm also quite glad the
show never went the way TC would have envisaged (-8.


Shaun
http://www.alphalink.com.au/



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From: Jeremy Rogers <jeremy.rogers@zetnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TC Kirkham
Date: 03 Apr 2000 20:27:44 +0100

 "Shaun Hately"<drednort@alphalink.com.au> wrote: 

> TC Kirkham is currently an online Discjockey - so he's still on the web in one
> form. He also appears to have some involvement in 'You Can't Do That on Television'
> fandom - another of Roger Price's creations. He's not exactly keeping a low
> profile from what I can see - and I doubt he'd be involved in TP fandom under
> a pseudonym - if he was trying to hide, he could do a better job.

And you can pull an address and telephone number out of the dns records.
Can't say whether it is genuine or not though of course.

Jez
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From: Vivian Arney <TIA-PALS@excite.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TC Kirkham
Date: 03 Apr 2000 12:52:49 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:27:44 +0100, tpdis@lists.xmission.com wrote:

>   "Shaun Hately"<drednort@alphalink.com.au> wrote: 
>  
>  > TC Kirkham is currently an online Discjockey - so he's still on the web
in one
>  > form. He also appears to have some involvement in 'You Can't Do That on
Television'
>  > fandom - another of Roger Price's creations. He's not exactly keeping a
low
>  > profile from what I can see - and I doubt he'd be involved in TP fandom
under
>  > a pseudonym - if he was trying to hide, he could do a better job.
>  
>  And you can pull an address and telephone number out of the dns records.
>  Can't say whether it is genuine or not though of course.

I'm sorry, but the topic of TC Kirkham leaves a pretty bitter taste in my
mouth - I was one of those who fell for his "lifetime " membership scam
several years ago.  I almost dropped TP fandom all together, in fact.  

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From: Simon Fraser <SimonF78@tiny78.demon.co.uk>
Subject: TPDIS: TC Fanfic
Date: 03 Apr 2000 20:59:40 +0100

Thanks very much for the info, At least I now know what it's all about,
and Yes, I agree with you, most of it is very good, and I thank you for
posting it, so it can receive a wider audience :)

Regards
-- 
Simon Fraser



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Hi :)
Date: 03 Apr 2000 17:29:32 EDT

If there was a season 12 I wouldn't doubt that TC stole many ideas from yours 
truly and other people, without letting his "co workers" and so called 
friends know what he was doing. 



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TC Kirkham
Date: 03 Apr 2000 17:32:17 EDT

I am sorry you have a bad taste in your mouth with him. I do too. He not only 
ripped off several of my story ideas and characters, making promises that he 
was always ready to go professional, which he wasn't, but he kept a lot of 
what I sent him even though I wanted it back. He refused. In the end, I think 
he got his though because I think others threatened to sue him and the IRS 
got after him too, I think. 



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TC Kirkham
Date: 03 Apr 2000 17:32:40 EDT

What is the dns records?



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TC Kirkham
Date: 03 Apr 2000 17:38:55 EDT

I agree. I think far too many characaters broke out and too many were 
involved in the record business or some form of entertainment (due to T's 
constant love affair and obsession with trying to break into the industry 
himself---not that I'm complaining but I don't necessarily want to see it in 
the TP). Later stuff seemed to focus on bands, singers, dancers, movie and tv 
stars, soap stars, costume designers, etc. I also think there were far too 
many characters involved to get a good story going. And the multi part 
stories were not fleshed out enough to keep a lot of interest for too long 
before another part intruded. I don't know if the whole reason Dion shot  
himself was ever dealt with. 

I kind of liked the fact that the Tp were a small group. I knew they had to 
expand and TC did some of it in a good way. Yet there were far too many, even 
within the 8 years. I also think it was majorly confining to think of the 
"show" as a real TV series that was really being filmed, cast, and 
written---when none of that actually happened. The imagination was limited by 
this rather than the reverse. I do think the casting bit was good and could 
be used as a jumping point to write some good character stuff but TC's stuff 
was not story driven but soap driven. I think for a time or from time to 
time, it was character driven which could produce some good stuff. Overall, 
it is what it is. I think with some trimming here and there, it could have 
been a great revival series. Moreso than the 1990 to 1995 version we got.    



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From: "Cobalt Blue" <frostjaunt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TC Kirkham
Date: 04 Apr 2000 15:11:54 PDT


>And I doubt he'd be involved in TP fandom under
>a pseudonym - if he was trying to hide, he could do a better job.

   Not that I know much about whomever TC Kirkham is, but I do know this, 
you'd be EXTREMELY suprised about who's hiding behind the names in fan 
fiction. There are things you'd NEVER guess about who wrote WHAT on the 
archives.

*Meg smiles Wickedly*


>But I'm glad to see these story ideas being posted - I'm also quite >glad 
>the show never went the way TC would have envisaged (-8.

   One of these days, Dred, I'm going to have to get you folks to sit and 
explain what the heck this whole things is/was about. Every once and a while 
something will come up about TC Kirkham, and well, I'd really love to know 
what the story is on this guy. I've never known one single person to keep 
reoccuring like this on the list that wasn't on crew or cast of the OS or 
NS.

    But just trust me, if someone wanted to hide in the pseudonyms of fan 
fiction, it's an easy process, providing you've got the intelligence it 
takes to type and to click the mouse buttons. :)


Valete! (Latin for Goodbye to many folks)
Megan

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no heavy lifting. But I'm an S.O.B who's wife was killed by some OTHER 
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From: "Cobalt Blue" <frostjaunt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs killing
Date: 04 Apr 2000 15:25:04 PDT


   I'm going to ignore the sugar content in this message, Arpi and 
Geoff-chan, because I'm convinced that somewhere, somehow, the cookie jar 
was left unguarded and the Oreos were loosed from the secure position and 
into the hands of those who knew no better than to eat about 50,000 of them!

   As for TP's killing, if they are sane, we know they can't. Note: I am 
going by the legal definition of sane which is able to tell the difference 
between right and wrong and know the consequences of their action. In 
insanity, it becomes a question of what the no-kill rule is. If it's 
something like eating or breathing, then it would take a severe 
psychological disorder to affect it. If it's something like fear or phobia, 
that can be overcome with enough practice and retraining, then it's another 
thing.

   In Heart of Sogguth, I do believe that John was ordered to kill Elizabeth 
and couldn't successfully do it (okay there was intervention), but I was 
never sure of whether John was in control or if something had taken control 
of him. See, there's a difference. If John had been in control and something 
had made him *want* to kill Elizabeth and ignore the no-kill instinct, then 
I think an insane TP could. If something had taken over where John's 
conscious self couldn't control his actions, then it's iffy.

   If a TP were insane, for the no-kill rule to be affected, there would 
have to be a definite degree of psychological dysfunctioning going on. I 
mean, we're not talking about a 30 days in the behavioral center type deal, 
we're talking a lifer in the psych ward with an all out armament of drugs 
type deal.

   I don't think an insane TP could kill, because by the time the no-kill 
rule was erased, the TP would probably so out of touch with reality and 
their surroundings that they wouldn't be physically or mentally ABLE to kill 
anyone.

   I don't think they'd be able to. (For all those who just wanted me to get 
to the point).

Full Goose Bozo
Megan

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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs killing
Date: 04 Apr 2000 22:22:12 EDT

I thought John brought the knife down and if Liz didn't jaunt, he would have 
killed her.

In one of the novels, Tyso is able to kill fish (not the same thing and not 
actually the show).



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From: Beth A Epstein <tptigger42@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs killing
Date: 04 Apr 2000 22:18:25 -0500



CMento6653@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I thought John brought the knife down and if Liz didn't jaunt, he would have
> killed her.
Two instances.  In one case she's asleep, wakes up and grabs his hand. 
Then he stops himself.

In the other, the one you're talking about, John hesitates and creepy
man (can't remember his name right now) tells him he won't make John do
it.  Creepy evil guy then tries to stab her and John grabs that guy's
hand and mouths "Jaunt" then Liz jaunts and John's back under control.

Oy, that's confusing.

And Ami breaks control enough to tell Adam to leave in Ramases, I think.

Mostly, it's only mind control.

I'd agree with Megan, for  a TP to be able to kill they'd have to be
pretty far gone for that instinct not to assert itself, and if that were
the case, they wouldn't be able to takle much anyway.

And I keep telling you guys, animals don't count!
Tigger



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From: "Michael Matott" <greyfalconsaerie@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TC Kirkham
Date: 04 Apr 2000 20:58:28 PDT


>>And I doubt he'd be involved in TP fandom under
>>a pseudonym - if he was trying to hide, he could do a better job.
>
>   Not that I know much about whomever TC Kirkham is, but I do know this,
>you'd be EXTREMELY suprised about who's hiding behind the names in fan
>fiction. There are things you'd NEVER guess about who wrote WHAT on the
>archives.
>
>*Meg smiles Wickedly*
>

What, like Shaun's really Nicholas Young?  And Tigger's really ... but no, 
that'd be telling.

<big smiles> :-)))

mike
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From: "Michael Matott" <greyfalconsaerie@hotmail.com>
Subject: TPDIS: Re:TPs killing
Date: 04 Apr 2000 21:04:22 PDT


My take has always been that it would take nothing short of brainwashing to 
accomplish it, and that the effects would be devastating.

Not that it's canon, but the way I treated it in my fanfics has been that a 
TP committing murder - even under duress - basically goes into catatonic 
shock because of it.  I had Adam in one fanfic brainwashed to kill Gen. 
Damon, but the Prime Inhibition <or whatever it's called> was stronger than 
the brainwashing.

There's no way for us to know for sure, since we never saw anything like it. 
  Mind controlled TPs seemed capable of at least harming others - John in 
'Sogguth', Ami in 'Ramses'.

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From: "Michael Matott" <greyfalconsaerie@hotmail.com>
Subject: TPDIS: Re:TPs killing
Date: 04 Apr 2000 21:04:24 PDT


My take has always been that it would take nothing short of brainwashing to 
accomplish it, and that the effects would be devastating.

Not that it's canon, but the way I treated it in my fanfics has been that a 
TP committing murder - even under duress - basically goes into catatonic 
shock because of it.  I had Adam in one fanfic brainwashed to kill Gen. 
Damon, but the Prime Inhibition <or whatever it's called> was stronger than 
the brainwashing.

There's no way for us to know for sure, since we never saw anything like it. 
  Mind controlled TPs seemed capable of at least harming others - John in 
'Sogguth', Ami in 'Ramses'.

mike

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From: tassierilla@juno.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs killing
Date: 05 Apr 2000 07:13:25 -0400

*De-lurks for a moment*

On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:18:25 -0500 Beth A Epstein
<tptigger42@earthlink.net> writes:

>And I keep telling you guys, animals don't count!

But didn't Adam once say that he tried to kill a shark in self defence,
and couldn't bring himself to do it??   Isn't that animal????

Sarah



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perspectives...our different views.  Each one is looking at it from a
different stand point, each blames the other..."
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From: "Michael Matott" <greyfalconsaerie@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs killing
Date: 05 Apr 2000 07:53:55 PDT


>On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:18:25 -0500 Beth A Epstein
><tptigger42@earthlink.net> writes:
>
> >And I keep telling you guys, animals don't count!
>
>But didn't Adam once say that he tried to kill a shark in self defence,
>and couldn't bring himself to do it??   Isn't that animal????
>
>Sarah

No, they're gods.
:-)

(says the shark biologist)
mike

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From: David Steinberg <zzyzx@seanet.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs killing
Date: 05 Apr 2000 08:21:13 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Michael Matott wrote:

> 
> >On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:18:25 -0500 Beth A Epstein
> ><tptigger42@earthlink.net> writes:
> >
> > >And I keep telling you guys, animals don't count!
> >
> >But didn't Adam once say that he tried to kill a shark in self defence,
> >and couldn't bring himself to do it??   Isn't that animal????
> >
> >Sarah

Maybe this would be a good time to bring out my old theory about TP
and killing.   What it was is that every creature, when it is about to
be killed, puts forth a telepathic blast (saying "Please don't kill
me").  The more intelligent the creature, the stronger the blast.
More advanced telepaths, as a result, would have the barrier against
killing come for a lower life form than a less advanced telepath.
That's why, if you join the secret services, you'd start to lose your
powers.


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From: Beth Epstein <tptigger42@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs killing
Date: 05 Apr 2000 12:39:23 -0400 (EDT)

Just 'cause Adam's squeemish about it doesn't mean the rest of us.. er, them... are.
Tigger
(humour me guys, I morgue lots of flies on a daily basis.)
------Original Message------
Sent: April 5, 2000 11:13:25 AM GMT


*De-lurks for a moment*

On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:18:25 -0500 Beth A Epstein
<tptigger42@earthlink.net> writes:

>And I keep telling you guys, animals don't count!

But didn't Adam once say that he tried to kill a shark in self defence,
and couldn't bring himself to do it??   Isn't that animal????

Sarah



"Right and wrong are not what seperate us...it's our different
perspectives...our different views.  Each one is looking at it from a
different stand point, each blames the other..."
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From: "Shaun Hately" <drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: TPDIS: Power of Belief - TP killing
Date: 06 Apr 2000 07:10:15 +1000

I may have posted this before - it's hard to remember (-8

I began thinking about this in an effort to explain the Tomorrow People=92=
s
inability to kill. I had always assumed that the inability only applied t=
o
sentient creatures - the Tomorrow People were perfectly capable of killin=
g
non-sentient creatures (although individual Tomorrow People may choose no=
t
to, of course). My reason for that assumption wasn=92t absolutely conclus=
ive -
it was based on the fact that Tomorrow People do eat meat (Stephen eating
steak and chips, for one) and I felt that if they were able to eat meat (=
ie,
gain benefit from the death of an animal) it seemed unlikely that there w=
as
any blanket prohibition against the killing of animals.

In the new series, however, it is specifically mentioned that Adam was
unable to kill a shark. Now it is my understanding that sharks are one of
the least likely of animals to be considered sentient (with creatures suc=
h
as primates and whales being the most likely.) Sharks are almost totally
instinctive creatures, as I understand it - their actions are founded on
instinct with nothing approaching a rational thought process existing. So
the fact that Adam was unable to kill a shark suggested quite strongly th=
at
any prohibition could not be solely linked to the sentience of the target
creature. But it is still apparent that the new series Tomorrow People ca=
n
eat meat - references to bacon in Origin Story and to Peperoni Pizza in t=
he
Living Stones make that obvious, and so I was still not comfortable with =
the
principle that the TP could absolutely not kill when they were still quit=
e
happy to garner benefits from the deaths of animals. And further, they ar=
e
obviously quite able to kill mosquitoes in The Culex Experiment. So I cas=
t
around looking for another idea and then I thought about Adam=92s healing
abilities.

They are seen to be very powerful in Origin Story where they are used to
actually save someone=92s life - possibly even to bring someone back from=
 the
absolute brink of death. Now I=92ve heard it suggested that maybe that us=
e
drained them to such an extent that they became useless, and I quite like
that suggestion. But I offer an alternative which is linked to my opinion=
 of
why Adam could not kill that shark.

Perhaps the power of belief is the defining principle here. Adam=92s abil=
ity
to heal is shown on two occasions. On the first of these, he has no
knowledge of what he can do - it just happens. There is no possibility of
doubting his ability and so he does it. On the second occasion, the
knowledge of what he can do is still fresh in his mind and he doesn=92t e=
ven
pause to think about what he is doing. He is quick and decisive and he ju=
st
does it again. Again, there is no time for doubt.

At the start of The Culex Experiment, however, the situation could be
slightly different. Lisa wasn=92t seriously injured in Origin Story and A=
dam,
also healed her by instinct. In the case of Kevin, though, he is in a fai=
rly
serious condition. Maybe Adam develops some sort of performance anxiety -
because he feels an emotional connection to Kevin, because the situation =
is
so desperate, maybe he chokes - and so he can=92t heal Kevin. Or maybe to=
 be
fairer, the ability to heal Kevin is beyond him. This is not a purely
physical injury, this is a toxin flowing through Kevin=92s body. Maybe Ad=
am=92s
healing powers simply to not extend to that type of problem.

Regardless of the situation, perhaps Adam=92s failure to heal Kevin sows =
so
much doubt in his mind about the ability in general that he loses it -
because he failed once, he can no longer create the correct mindset and
focus himself in order to heal. Maybe he is too afraid to try and do it.

So the ability may still exist in theory - but Adam, consciously or
unconsciously refuses to use it, because of a desire to avoid the chance =
of
failure - rather than try and fail, he does not try at all.

What matters, therefore, is the power of belief. Because he believes he
cannot heal, he is unable to do it.

And let=92s apply that to being a Tomorrow Person in general and to what =
is
described as the Prime Barrier in the original series. Because a Tomorrow
Person believes they cannot kill, they simply cannot do it. That belief m=
ay
be accurate - but even if it is not, the result would be the same.

And that would also possibly explain why Adam could not kill the shark.
Perhaps a Tomorrow Person can kill a non-sentient being. But if the power=
 of
belief is strong enough to affect their abilities, if Adam believed that =
the
shark was sentient on any level, then maybe the prime barrier came into
play. It makes sense to me. How can we know if a creature is sentient or
not? Some obviously are - man is the prime example. But beyond that, no o=
ne
can really agree. There are so many different camps, it gets very confusi=
ng.

So it comes down to an individuals belief and judgement. Perhaps Adam
somehow decided in the moment that he was attacked by the shark that it w=
as
intelligent or sentient. Even if that perception was wrong, once he had
thought about it, the mere power of his belief may have triggered to prim=
e
barrier and so he could not kill the shark. But Ami never believed that t=
he
mosquitoes were sentient and so she could, without compunction, kill them.

In this theory, the power of belief, becomes as important as the substanc=
e
of reality, and in my opinion, when dealing with the matters of the human
mind, that does make sense. There may still be an absolute limit on any T=
P
ability, this theory doesn=92t preclude that. It merely suggests that oth=
er
factors besides that limit may have a profound influence.

****

Shaun




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From: jane starr <starr@planet.eon.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs killing
Date: 05 Apr 2000 23:55:43 -0700

At 12:39 PM 05/04/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Just 'cause Adam's squeemish about it doesn't mean the rest of us.. er, 
>them... are.
>Tigger
>(humour me guys, I morgue lots of flies on a daily basis.)

Well, I'm with Tigger.  I've always believed that the no-kill rule applied 
to sentient beings, which might be stretched to cetaceans, depending on how 
high you rate them (so long, and thanks for all the fish...) and maybe 
higher primates.  Also the white mice, but that's another story ;)

Most of the TP we know are city raised, and like most urbanites, they 
probably don't think much about where food comes from before it gets to the 
supermarket.  They probably couldn't kill anything much bigger than a bug 
or maybe rats and mice (I know I'd have a very hard time myself), but I 
believe it is nurture, not nature, and I'm basing my theory on Tyso, the 
only one (AFAIK) who was raised anywhere close to the land, who thought 
nothing of poaching and didn't seem especially squeamish about killing fish 
(in one of the books, anyway).  I believe that a TP raised with livestock 
would have a very pragmatic view of animals and probably be able to kill 
them when necessary.  Without cruelty or enjoyment or waste, of course, but 
still able to do it.  Even in a vegetarian society, you have to control 
pests that eat crops (rats, birds, etc.) or that are outside their own 
habitat and destroying the new one (rabbits in Australia).  I work for the 
Alberta Dept. of Agriculture - we spend a lot of money every year keeping 
this province rat-free because of the *much* greater cost of rat damage to 
crops and stored food.  Even if all you have are companion animals, a TP 
vet would have to be able to euthanize them.  It's just part of life.

Of course, I only go by Old Series evidence, because I still think the new 
series was just a tv series - part of the old series TP's plan to accustom 
the world to the idea of the TP before the mass break-outs begin, and they 
probably wanted to make themselves seem even more harmless than they really 
are :)

Jane


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Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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and 2001: A Book Odyssey - The Strathearn School Millennium Project at 
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From: "William Adams" <wladams@comp.uark.edu>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: TPs Killing and The Power of Belief
Date: 06 Apr 2000 04:54:08 -0500

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Thus far I tend to agree with Jane Starr, the TP's reluctance to kill =
animals (in general) leans more towards their urban upbringing more than =
an actual mental barrier.  As a matter of fact, I see this barrier =
coming into play only if the creature in question is formally =
non-sentient turns out to be sentient.

As for TP characters becoming vets, I can see that, and in fact, one of =
my characters is a vet.  She can kill, but, she only puts animals to =
sleep as a last resort.  Of course, she does not have any qualms about =
eradicating fleas, ticks, tapeworms etc, etc.  As for TPs becoming big =
game hunters or sausage factory workers FORGET IT.

What Shaun said last night about the power of belief got me to thinking. =
 That is a touchstone in psychology, I think.  I was wondering how would =
John cope with his powers after breaking out.  Remember he was the very =
first, so there was no one to help him through, much less teach him what =
to do.  Granted John would be clever enough to figure out his powers, on =
his own,  but I was wondering, how in the the world, with his =
conservative mind set and world view, did he ever accept he had powers =
after he developed them?

There are liekly print stories out there detailing this idea, but I =
don't think so on the list.

Just an idea.
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From: "Shaun Hately"<drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs Killing and The Power of Belief
Date: 06 Apr 2000 20:39:52 +1000

"William Adams" <wladams@comp.uark.edu> wrote on Thursday April 6, 2000 at  2:57am:

>
>There are liekly print stories out there detailing this idea, but I >don't
think so on the list.

As a matter of fact, I have one written - but I haven't yet sent it for betaring
as I am *desperately* trying to make another fic maintain consistency (-8

There's also the issue that I am not 100% comfortable with the idea of my fic
outlining how I see John's life prior to and immediately after becoming a TP
being seen by others...

Shaun
http://www.alphalink.com.au/



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From: "Michael Matott" <greyfalconsaerie@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs killing
Date: 06 Apr 2000 08:26:09 PDT

>
>At 12:39 PM 05/04/00 -0400, you wrote:
>>Just 'cause Adam's squeemish about it doesn't mean the rest of us.. er,
>>them... are.
>>Tigger
>>(humour me guys, I morgue lots of flies on a daily basis.)
>
>Well, I'm with Tigger.  I've always believed that the no-kill rule applied
>to sentient beings, which might be stretched to cetaceans, depending on how
>high you rate them (so long, and thanks for all the fish...) and maybe
>higher primates.  Also the white mice, but that's another story ;)
>

White mice and rats only if they've come from NIMH.  :-)

Sentience is a pretty hard thing to classify.  You can't really ask the 
animal.  How 'high' of a primate does it take?  Lemurs are *extremely* 
bright - does that make them sentient?  How about octupus?  They're 
amazingly intelligent - *HUGE* brains - but are they sentient?  They make 
for an odd study as in evolutionary terms they are further back in 
development than *all* vertebrates.  Kind of spooky.

So how would the TPs be able to tell sentience?  Sentient animals give off a 
telepathic vibe?

I don't know.  Seems hard to draw the line anywhere.  Obviously the new 
series could kill mosquitoes.  And the Old Series TPs could hunt and fish.

I like Tigger's idea.  That darn line of Adam's just makes *everything* so 
complicated. :-)

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From: AgentRacerX@cs.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs Killing and The Power of Belief
Date: 06 Apr 2000 15:45:05 EDT

In a message dated 4/6/00 6:40:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
drednort@alphalink.com.au writes:

> There's also the issue that I am not 100% comfortable with the idea of my 
fic
>  outlining how I see John's life prior to and immediately after becoming a 
TP
>  being seen by others...

I wouldn't worry about it.  Aside from the Tapestry Series, there are very 
few TP stories detailing earlier lives of the TP.  Most fandoms have all 
sorts of background stories.  I say we gotta get started at some point.  
Reading different people's interpretations of characters has always been 
something I enjoy.

-Nicole



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From: "Carolyn Foster" <marmion@marmion.free-online.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs killing
Date: 06 Apr 2000 21:59:49 +0100

I have a feeling that John said something about
"we will have to become less squeamish, after all we eat meat"
this implies that they could probably kill animals but I'm not sure where or
when he said it

So I think perhaps they themselves are not exactly sure where the
'prohibition' ends.

In my opinion, some TP would find that they could kill to a greater or
lesser extent (like Tyso and the fish) and others would be unable to kill
even a common housefly.

Do you think any of them would want to experiment with how far they could go
up from bacteria in the killing stakes or would they find themselves too
squeamish to try?

What do you think about before a TP breaks out. Can he/she kill then or is
it there from birth?

Carolyn






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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs Killing and The Power of Belief
Date: 06 Apr 2000 17:46:24 EDT

1988-1989

172-EXPLANATIONS
Members demand an explanation from Stephen as to his whereabouts for the past 
two years. Jeb follows his quest for information on his family. Max and 
Lorraine discover the time storm and realize it is too late to save their 
seven friends caught up in it. Jeff jaunts into the satellite, and promptly 
collapses. Toby remains missing. John gets surprising news from the Trig. Max 
discovers a cat on board the satellite. A young street hustler, Peter Wilson 
(Andrew Kavovit of AS THE WORLD TURNS and later of THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN TV 
SHOW) , is attacked by a gang of punks, and he blows them away using psionic 
energy--he doesn't kill them but they won't risk bothering him, again. 

173-REUNIONS
Heather Shire Fairchild (Catherine Oxenburg) and Amanda Fairchild (Jodie 
Sweetin of FULL HOUSE) come home from the Trig after six years. Jeb makes 
contact with his real mother. Stephen tells about his self imposed exile 
without revealing the secret reason for his return to Earth. Peter breaks out 
in front of a few unexpected witnesses in the New York underground. Trent 
locates an amnesiac Toby in a San Francisco shelter. Max breaks the rules to 
care for the cat he found, as does Trent, but on the sly. TIM discovers the 
true cause of Jeff's frequent radiation attacks. Julia and Daniel hatch new 
plots.

174-DISTINCT INSTINCT
Heather is appalled to find no specialized healers among the TP. Jake and 
Josh continue to try to determine what is changing within themselves. Stephan 
contacts Harry Steen (Kevin Stoney) at the Trig for advice. Julia is 
contacted by a mysterious young CIA agent. Toby is forced to endure a second 
breakout, brought on by his amnesia. Andreas reveals what his plans are 
concerning other Russian psioniks. Stevi freaks when she walks in on an exam 
of Max's cat, surprising Heather and Trent. Amanda spends some 
father/daughter time with John.

175-DEADLY COMBINATION
Max comes before the council for breaking the rules over the cat, who manages 
to surprise everyone. Her name is Samantha (the voice of Juliet Mills) and 
she is an alien telepathic cat. Heather persuades the twins to train as 
healers as Jake's empathy grows stronger. Amanda begins to develop a crush on 
Max, who is none too pleased. A college student named Jeremy Klein (Kris 
Kamm), on an archeological dig in Egypt is felled by sunstroke, with 
dangerous consequences. Daniel discovers the twins' plans. TIM tells Trent 
about Jeff's true condition.

176-PLANS OLD AND NEW
Julia plots to trap Trent, Jake and Josh while at the Trig, with Daniel as 
her inside agent. Chip completes the healing team, at the last moment. 
Stephen asks Tina for her help in infiltrating Julia's stronghold. Evan makes 
plans to return home for awhile. Jeff is told the bad news about his 
condition. Toby is frustrated, unable to remember anything of his past. 
Samantha tells her story. Max tries to ditch Amanda, who tags along wherever 
he goes.  

177-MIND IN THE SUN
Heather, Chip, and the twins leave for training at the Trig, with Daniel an 
unexpected passenger. Jeremy Klein breaks out near Cairo, with Lorraine and 
Trish's help. Jeb questions his identity. Max and Samantha talk scientific 
theories with Amanda, who hopes to gain respect in Max's eyes. Stevi and 
Trish discover an arsonist in their school. Stephen and Tina, attending 
Julia's party in disguise, dig for information. Peter and Jeremy adjust to 
their newfound powers. Stephen is caught by a guard at Julia's while Tina is 
stunned by a mysterious blond named Galloway...Matthew Galloway (William 
Zabka of THE EQUALIZER and BACK TO SCHOOL movie). Tina escapes Galloway, whom 
she leaves in considerable pain.     

178-SO GOES THE RIVER
The twins and Chip undergo a dangerous test to prove they are worthy of being 
healers, while Daniel plots to sabotage their training. Stephen uses his 
spectrashift to escape from Julia before she even knew of his capture. Max 
and Amanda have a long heart to heart talk. Stephen returns to the satellite 
with copies of Julia's files. M'pongold (Dan O'Herlehy) is killed when Daniel 
sabotages the Approach. Chip and the twins discover Daniel, who flees back to 
Earth.

179-THE LONG ROAD BACK
Toby, with help from Max and Professor Cawston, undergoes telepathic hypnosis 
in an attempt to regain his memory. Liz announces her pregnancy. Chip and the 
twins return to the satellite as the official healers of the TP but not 
without some sacrifices. Amanda tells her mother and father she wants a baby 
brother or sister. Stephen visits his parents. Jake and Josh land a major gig 
in a hot LA club. Andreas gets in over his head while on a solo mission. 
Lorraine receives an emergency call for help from the alien Taigar (Rodney 
Helal), a friend of Stephen and Tyso's. 

180-WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE
Stephen returns to the Trig to visit a critically injured Tyso. The twins 
talk Lorraine into singing one of Terry's leftover songs for them. Jeremy and 
Liz have a talk, with Liz getting a major shock when Jeremy reveals his 
nationality...South African. Julia homes in on Trent, who is vacationing in 
the Caribbean. Stephen and Taigar bring Tyso home. Toby makes a major 
breakthrough. Jeff tells Heather the reason he feels so isolated. Max and 
Amanda visit Shirewood.

181-RACE FOR TIME
Toby and Jeb, with Taigar and Heather, work to free Andreas from a secret 
Soviet detention center. Dassie M'bondo (Nichelle Nichols) , Liz's aunt, 
visits her niece at home in Jamaica. John and Heather spend some quiet time 
together. Peter Wilson returns to his old haunts, which could be a mistake. 
Stevi cares for Tyso as Stephen wrestles with his guilt over having left two 
years earlier. Jake and Josh take Lorraine into the recording studio. Jeremy 
and Liz forge the beginnings of a strong team relationship. Jeb makes a final 
decision about his past, while Toby's memory comes completely back. Josh 
tries to find a way to help Jeff.

182-GOODBYE, OLD FRIEND
Jeff comes into the open as he reveals TIM's discovery to the entire 
membership. Jeff comes to terms with having AIDS and all that has happened to 
him since breaking out. He seeks out his parents and tries to forgive his 
father. Toby, Amanda, and the healing team try to come up with a solution for 
Jeff with no avail. Chip fights guilt feelings over the accident that led to 
Jeff's condition, five years earlier. Jeremy has a dream which appears to be 
a vision of the future. Jake, Josh, and Lorraine prepare for the big concert. 
Jeff decides to work things out for himself and leaves the satellite, 
seemingly for good.

183-DEADLY MUSIC
Jake and Josh hit the stage, with Jeremy a backstage guest. Lorraine is also 
a hit. Stephen cannot believe who he sees on the dance floor. Tyso continues 
to recover, with help from Stevi. Cawston asks Heather to help him learn to 
be an assistant to the healing team, which she readily agrees to do so. 
Andreas, torn apart, decides to join Terry and Renny on the Trig, feeling it 
best for everyone concerned. The twins are surprised by their uncle, who has 
come to see them perform, and to ask them for help in his research, and he 
takes Jeremy hostage as leverage. Galloway spots Stephen in the crowd as 
well.       

184-PAST AND PAST
Stephen and Galloway meet on neutral turf. The twins and Jeremy are held 
prisoner by Dr. Matthews, who explains his intentions to Jeremy. Evan's 
search through old family records reveals a secret. Chip and Max discover 
they have guilt in common. Tyso, up and about, feels a gypsy kinship with Max 
but cannot explain why.   

185-WARPATHS
Evan goes to Shirewood for help with his research. This it he family home of 
Heather's family. The twins undergo tests that could leave them dead, while 
Jeremy struggles frantically to find a way to escape. Tyso and Stevi confess 
their mutual attraction. Peter, in his old haunts, is arrested for murder, a 
frame set up by Daniel. An old abandoned TP site on Earth is consumed by 
flames. Jeremy escapes Dr. Matthews, calling desperately for help but 
stumbles on the grounds and tries to find a hiding place, with disastrous 
results. Stephen tells everyone the secret he had kept since his return to 
Earth.

186-HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE
Evan is correct in his assumptions. Max decides to find out once and for all 
who his real parents were or are. John and Stephen return to free the twins 
and scare Dr. Allen Patterson (Russ Tamblyn), while Heather and Chip struggle 
to save Jeremy from the rattlesnake's venom. Galloway officially joins forces 
with Julia. Heather is summoned to a meeting with Jack Hanna, director of 
Columbus, Ohio's zoo, as seen on David Letterman. Toby discovers that psi 
powers destroyed the old earth site. Trent begins to feel a little down. 
Jeremy has another future vision, this one involving something totally evil. 
Peter's arrest is made known to the TP, who come to his aid, while Daniel 
constricts the net around Peter, insuring a conviction and sentence he wants. 
Tyso asks Stevi for her hand in marriage. Tina laments her boring lovelife.  

187-PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK
Peter comes to trial for his alleged murdering of a young policewoman. A 
young observer in the gallery of spectators wears an eerie smile. Daniel 
ensures Peter's conviction with manufactured evidence. Julia and Matt 
Galloway plot to kill Stephen. The jury comes in, with a surprise verdict. 
Stephen visits Jani's grave and visits her parents, making an appalling 
discovery in the process: Jani was the first cousin of Matthew Galloway. 
Heather appears with Jack Hanna on LATE NIGHT WITH DAVID LETTERMAN, with 
hilariously funny results. Peter and Catherine Chandler (Linda Hamilton of 
BEAUTY AND THE BEAST), taking their mind off the upcoming sentencing, take 
the show in from the audience. The judge delivers Peter's sentence, which 
shocks everyone, especially Trent.     

188-DEATH SENTENCE
The Tp rush to save Peter from the electric chair, trying to prove the young 
man innocent. Lorraine and Catherine Chandler meet in hopes of coming up with 
a solution to Peter's predicament. Jeremy's second dream is confirmed, 
leaving him shaken. The mysterious young man from court gallery returns to 
Salem and announces their success--this is Bradley Cain (Harold J Pruett). 
Tyso and Stevi get married and return to the Trig to live.  

189-BACKWARD TURN
The Tp trick Daniel into confessing to the frame, but he escapes before he 
can be caught. Stephen and John discuss Stephen's discovery about Jani's 
family. Jeremy sees a major catastrophe, brought on by a former Tomorrow 
Person, a current Tomorrow Person, and a new Tomorrow Person, helped by a 
being of total evil. Max finds his birth records and cannot believe his eyes. 
Carol calls from the Trig. Peter is officially cleared of the charges against 
him. Galloway and Julia decide on who they want to use as their inside spy.   
 

190-FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE
An unauthorized form jaunting in turns out to be Andrew Forbes, long dead. Or 
thought dead. Galloway kidnaps Jeb. Max asks Tina and Amanda to accompany him 
to meet his real parents. Bradley Cain (Harold P Pruett of TV's THE 
OUTSIDERS) walks a thin line during his resurrection service at the base of 
the Fire Circle. Galloway meets with Cain, whom he controls the mind of. 
Damian Keller (Barrett Oliver of NEVER ENDING STORY I, COCOON, and DARYL) is 
attacked by a teacher while walking home from school. The female teacher 
tries to rape him. Jake, Josh, Toby, Heather and TIM try to discover how 
Andrew Forbes has come back from beyond the grave. (Andrew, at first was 
Soggoth's eyes, he was kept reanimated with energy from Soggoth. Andrew will 
finally make it to Heaven with the help of the late Sir Edward Shire, 
Heather's grandfather and played by Jon Pertwee----from DREAMS OF DESTINY 
where Edward died). 
   
191-PROLOGUE TO ETERNITY
Jeremy wakes up screaming, having seen the end of the world in a dream. 
Damian breaksout while being attacked, crying out for help telepathically 
without knowing it. Josh links with Andrew to find out what is going on. Cain 
strikes again with the help of Galloway and Julia, who does not realize she 
is being used. Steen comes to Earth to ask Stephen some questions. Carol 
(played by Katy Manning! for NO good reason--it should have been Sammie 
Winmill)  sends her middle son, Cesee (Brice Beckham the youngest boy on TV's 
 MR. BELEVEDERE), to Earth, but cannot explain why she thinks it is 
necessary. Cesse joins the community, as does Damian, who is very withdrawn 
because of what happened to him.



192-WHEREFORE ART THOU
Galloway and Cain begin brainwashing Jeb, who is unable to call for help. Max 
is torn between the reasons for his abandonment and his own hurt when he 
meets his mother and father. Josh is injured when Andrew suddenly goes 
berserk. Josh becomes possessed by an unknown force. Cesee tries to adapt to 
life away from the Trig, finding Earth so primitive. Stephen falls into a 
trap set by Cain and Galloway, and is forced to watch as Jeb is brainwashed, 
and in considerable pain. Jeb is mind controlled by Matt Galloway for what 
will be the rest of this "season."

193-REVENGE IS A DISH BEST SERVED IN HELL
Tina, on intuition, risks her life to try and save Stephen. Jake goes through 
agony trying to free Josh from whatever holds him. Damian fills in his 
background for the TP, knowing most of them know of him already via his older 
brother Terry Keller. Cesee and Amanda renew their old friendship. Galloway 
captures Tina. Jeb tries but is unable to resist Galloway's brutal 
treatments. Samantha and her kittens tour the satellite. Jeremy sees the evil 
one in a dream, witnessing an Aztec sacrificial ceremony.  

194-DARKNESS FROM WITHIN
Jeb returns to the satellite, no one knowing Galloway controls him. Stephen 
and Tina are thrust into each other's arms. Galloway discovers what Stephen 
knows about Jani and is outraged. Cain begins proceedings to bring the world 
to its knees. The being possessing Josh reveals its identity. Max gets to 
know his mother--Evergreen (Tyso's sister from SECRET WEAPON) and his 
father---Paul Frazier (from THE DOOMSDAY MEN). Galloway traps Julia for his 
own purposes. 

195-SOGGUTH
The Tp find out they face the devil once again---Soggoth. John sends Max, 
Amanda, and Cesee to Aerie, Arizona to be safe, much to the chagrin of Cesee. 
Here, John has his own fortress home and small private airport. Heather, 
Chip, and Jake try to think of how to help Josh, when Soggoth suddenly flees 
the helpless TP, leaving everyone stunned. Jeb continues to do Galloway's 
bidding aboard the satellite. Stephen is injured while trying to escape 
Galloway. Sogguth sets up shop in Cain's temple.

196-SAVIORS
Josh lies totally mindless in the med. center on the satellite with Heather 
struggling to save him. Sogguth gains more and more power every day. Cesee  
returns to the satellite against John's wishes. Andrew does not believe the 
story of his death. Toby follows Jeb and discovers the Fire Circle's HQ but 
is kayoed by Jeb before he can alert anyone. Jeremy tries dreamscanning to 
help Josh and Jake, guided by TIM. Lorraine goes to the Trig to recruit some 
help in the growing battle against Sogguth. Samantha and Cesee strike up a 
bargain in a partnership. Toby is brutalized by Galloway as Stephen and Tina 
watch helplessly, each unable to help the others.
  
197-ATTACK FORCE: FIRE CIRCLE
Sogguth reaches his full strength and begins to wreak havoc on the Earth, 
causing earthquakes, floods, storms, and volcanic eruptions. Jeremy's attempt 
to help Josh ends up in pain and frustration. Chip joins forces with Cesee 
and Samantha. Evan tries to find out what has happened to Julia. Stephen and 
Galloway duel to a standoff, with a glimmer of hope for the TP captives. The 
Fire Circle, powered by Sogguth, attacks Boston and New York.
 

198-RETREAT TO REGROUP
Lorraine returns from the Trig with Tyso, Tricia Conway, Taigar, and Hawk in 
tow. Tricia remeets Professor George Cawston. Heather decides to try a last 
ditch attempt to reach Josh and save his life. Stephen and Toby come up with 
an escape plan. Sogguth reveals himself  from the world but not by name. Max 
and Amanda head underground to find shelter from the storms that ravage the 
planet. Cesee shows his powers for the first time. Cain is killed by 
Galloway, who seeks to control Sogguth. Evan finds Julia near death, her life 
forces drained by Sogguth and Galloway.  

199-DESTRUCTION
Sogguth continues to devastate the Earth and plans the same for other worlds 
as well. Jeremy, against orders from both Trent and John, jaunts into the 
Fire Circle headquarters for a confrontation with Galloway and Sogguth, and 
is promptly caught. Jeb strikes in the satellite, per Galloway's orders. 
Samantha joins Max and Amanda under Aerie, where they are hiding from the 
storm.

200-ASHES ASHES
Heather is critically injured in a surprise attack by Jeb, who is subdued by 
Hawk and Taigar. Jake fights against the pain to restore the link with Josh. 
Stephen and Galloway have a final battle, with luck and Jeremy's powerful 
illusions on the side of good. Max, Amanda, and Samantha make a shocking 
discovery beneath Aerie, Arizona----a drawing of a young boy's face---the 
face of the Tp's secret weapon against Soggoth---the face of Cesse, Carol's 
young son, who will be one of the fathers of the Time Guardians. Andrew vows 
to stop Soggoth, even if it means dying again. Hawk tries to battle Soggoth 
on his own and is felled for his courageous efforts. He is not dead but 
close. Sogguth takes nearly complete control of the Earth.    

201-WE ALL FALL DOWN
The Earth feels on the verge of breaking apart. Stephen, Jeremy, Tina, and 
Toby face Galloway in a fight to escape. Jeb comes to his master's side, 
courtesy of Sogguth. Heather's condition worsens. Samantha and Max return to 
the satellite with surprising news, while Amanda tries to return but cannot, 
due to the intensity of the storms around Aerie. The Tp device their plan to 
fight Sogguth. Liz goes into labor during an attempt to kill her by an agent 
of the Fire Circle. Stephen and company defeat Galloway, and escape. Samantha 
and Max reveal the identity of the secret weapon they found beneath Aerie. 
Their secret weapon: Cesee: is surprised by the discovery. Samantha reveals a 
secret concerning Heather's condition: Heather is pregnant with twin boys. 
Jeremy, Damian, Andrew, Cesee, Stephen, Toby and Tina prepare for battle at 
Shirewood, while inside the old mansion, Charles Shire (Heather's cousin 
played by Mark Strickson of DOCTOR WHO) and Cawston help Liz to give birth. 
Sogguth bringing Jeb, Galloway and the dead Cain with him, hovers over 
Shirewood, where Jeremy has prepared the containment ceremony. Jeremy turns 
to ask one questions of the others around him, "Are we ready to die? " and 
looks up at the menacing form of Sogguth, who attacks with all his force.  

NOTES ON SEASON 7:

A little boy named Mikey Kevin Holt, played by Christopher Finefrock is also 
in this season. He is the child of TP Kevin Holt and Tp Andrea Barter. Rob 
Stone and Jeff were written out after 11 episodes (a bad move). Credits 
altered accordingly each season. Jeff contracted AIDS through a blood 
transfusion. Characters from STEPHEN AND TYSO reoccur. Andreas Kozloswki 
played by Jonathan Aluzis moved to the spinoff STAR FRONTIERS at midseason. 
LATE NIGHT WITH DAVID LETTERMAN also had David, Calvert Deforrest, Paul 
Shaffer, Will Lee, and Jack Hanna appearing as themselves, another really 
boring idea. Carol appears for three appearances.

SPINOFF CHECKLIST:
STAR FRONTIERS season two
TIMELOST season one

CROSSOVERS with BEAUTY AND THE BEAST and DAVID LETTERMAN.

MY VIEWS ON THIS SEASON AND TC'S RIPOFFS:
Okay here is where TC really started to shine as well as piss me off. 
Dianne's excellent characters and contributions excelled this series from the 
so-so often garbage that it was to a major entertaining event each week. 
Dianne, who received  no credit for her story lines and contributions as well 
as for her characters, is always the best and is always entertaining and fun. 
In addition, I became really angry at TC for his rip offs. At the time he 
made up season 7, I and Dianne had pitched several characters independent of 
each other. What TC would do is take a character, say for example, a 13 year 
old street boy that I made up. He would then take the background, change it A 
LITTLE and change the age to perhaps a 17 year old character. He would then 
introduce HIS character with the 17 year old age and the same background as 
the one I made up and perhaps change the country or the state that the 
character I made up came from. He would introduce this character EARLIER than 
he would introduce my charactor. Now I proposed this NYC street hustler boy 
and he introduced his 17 year old from some other state who found his way to 
NYC earlier. He also began to do this here, this season. For instance, Max, a 
characater who wasn't going anywhere. Max suddenly found his parents were old 
time characters Evergreen and Paul. Well, Dianne already had pitched Mike 
Bell's illegimate son Quince to TC. Quince, a great character (Christian 
Bale) is introduced in season 8, not 7. TC did this again and again. I also 
made my NYC hustler a forerunner of the Time Guardians via a THIRD BREAKOUT. 
You can see where this was used in Cesee, TC's earlier character. I also made 
use of a very young breakout about the age of 5 who was deaf and couldn't 
talk. Well this character would interact kindly and angelically with all the 
characters including the bad guys. TC then took Mikey and reintroduced him to 
the show just to do the same thing. This hijacking didn't restrict itself to 
just the character but to the ACTORS and CASTING IDEAS as well as the 
storylines. It is a shame TC felt he had to do this for some of his stuff 
this season showed greatness above and beyond all he had done before. The 
Soggoth stuff, despite the slowness of coming, was really quite good. The 
BAD: a crossover with BEAUTY AND THE BEAST. It seemed unneeded. I like BEAUTY 
AND THE BEAST a great deal but this story, a typical trial frame up story, 
didn't need Catherine to be in it. Later, I suggested a FRIDAY THE 13TH THE 
SERIES character, the newly young Ryan (now either 9 or 11) breakout and low 
and behold in season 9, there was a FRIDAY THE 13TH crossover which TC took 
credit for. TC was NEVER any good at naming characters: he took names of 
actors, sometimes the actors who played them and made those the names. WORSE: 
he took names of already existing characters and used them again! Thus we had 
two or three Kevins, at least two CCs, and now he makes a Peter arrive. Well, 
Peter was a Time Guardian. Later we will get a Marco and a Marcus, two 
different characters who break out almost at the same time, and a villain 
named Corey while we had a Kory or Cory already as a hero. This kind of 
confusion could have been avoided but wasn't. Another problem I had was with 
the books themselves: the first book in particular just hinted at what 
happened. I had to dig and ask and ask and ask to find out Max's parent's 
identities. You won't find it in the first book. There are also many other 
things that I had to find out and many which I will never which the books 
just hint at but don't fully explain. Later books were better at giving us 
more details. I constantly told him this was needed and he revised the format 
due to my detailed criticisms and advice.  I am still pissed that his hidden 
seasons 10, 11 and 12 were not given to me. I can only guess at what he 
ripped off of me without giving me any credit.      



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: tctp season 7 and my views on TC's ripoffs
Date: 06 Apr 2000 17:46:51 EDT

1988-1989

172-EXPLANATIONS
Members demand an explanation from Stephen as to his whereabouts for the past 
two years. Jeb follows his quest for information on his family. Max and 
Lorraine discover the time storm and realize it is too late to save their 
seven friends caught up in it. Jeff jaunts into the satellite, and promptly 
collapses. Toby remains missing. John gets surprising news from the Trig. Max 
discovers a cat on board the satellite. A young street hustler, Peter Wilson 
(Andrew Kavovit of AS THE WORLD TURNS and later of THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN TV 
SHOW) , is attacked by a gang of punks, and he blows them away using psionic 
energy--he doesn't kill them but they won't risk bothering him, again. 

173-REUNIONS
Heather Shire Fairchild (Catherine Oxenburg) and Amanda Fairchild (Jodie 
Sweetin of FULL HOUSE) come home from the Trig after six years. Jeb makes 
contact with his real mother. Stephen tells about his self imposed exile 
without revealing the secret reason for his return to Earth. Peter breaks out 
in front of a few unexpected witnesses in the New York underground. Trent 
locates an amnesiac Toby in a San Francisco shelter. Max breaks the rules to 
care for the cat he found, as does Trent, but on the sly. TIM discovers the 
true cause of Jeff's frequent radiation attacks. Julia and Daniel hatch new 
plots.

174-DISTINCT INSTINCT
Heather is appalled to find no specialized healers among the TP. Jake and 
Josh continue to try to determine what is changing within themselves. Stephan 
contacts Harry Steen (Kevin Stoney) at the Trig for advice. Julia is 
contacted by a mysterious young CIA agent. Toby is forced to endure a second 
breakout, brought on by his amnesia. Andreas reveals what his plans are 
concerning other Russian psioniks. Stevi freaks when she walks in on an exam 
of Max's cat, surprising Heather and Trent. Amanda spends some 
father/daughter time with John.

175-DEADLY COMBINATION
Max comes before the council for breaking the rules over the cat, who manages 
to surprise everyone. Her name is Samantha (the voice of Juliet Mills) and 
she is an alien telepathic cat. Heather persuades the twins to train as 
healers as Jake's empathy grows stronger. Amanda begins to develop a crush on 
Max, who is none too pleased. A college student named Jeremy Klein (Kris 
Kamm), on an archeological dig in Egypt is felled by sunstroke, with 
dangerous consequences. Daniel discovers the twins' plans. TIM tells Trent 
about Jeff's true condition.

176-PLANS OLD AND NEW
Julia plots to trap Trent, Jake and Josh while at the Trig, with Daniel as 
her inside agent. Chip completes the healing team, at the last moment. 
Stephen asks Tina for her help in infiltrating Julia's stronghold. Evan makes 
plans to return home for awhile. Jeff is told the bad news about his 
condition. Toby is frustrated, unable to remember anything of his past. 
Samantha tells her story. Max tries to ditch Amanda, who tags along wherever 
he goes.  

177-MIND IN THE SUN
Heather, Chip, and the twins leave for training at the Trig, with Daniel an 
unexpected passenger. Jeremy Klein breaks out near Cairo, with Lorraine and 
Trish's help. Jeb questions his identity. Max and Samantha talk scientific 
theories with Amanda, who hopes to gain respect in Max's eyes. Stevi and 
Trish discover an arsonist in their school. Stephen and Tina, attending 
Julia's party in disguise, dig for information. Peter and Jeremy adjust to 
their newfound powers. Stephen is caught by a guard at Julia's while Tina is 
stunned by a mysterious blond named Galloway...Matthew Galloway (William 
Zabka of THE EQUALIZER and BACK TO SCHOOL movie). Tina escapes Galloway, whom 
she leaves in considerable pain.     

178-SO GOES THE RIVER
The twins and Chip undergo a dangerous test to prove they are worthy of being 
healers, while Daniel plots to sabotage their training. Stephen uses his 
spectrashift to escape from Julia before she even knew of his capture. Max 
and Amanda have a long heart to heart talk. Stephen returns to the satellite 
with copies of Julia's files. M'pongold (Dan O'Herlehy) is killed when Daniel 
sabotages the Approach. Chip and the twins discover Daniel, who flees back to 
Earth.

179-THE LONG ROAD BACK
Toby, with help from Max and Professor Cawston, undergoes telepathic hypnosis 
in an attempt to regain his memory. Liz announces her pregnancy. Chip and the 
twins return to the satellite as the official healers of the TP but not 
without some sacrifices. Amanda tells her mother and father she wants a baby 
brother or sister. Stephen visits his parents. Jake and Josh land a major gig 
in a hot LA club. Andreas gets in over his head while on a solo mission. 
Lorraine receives an emergency call for help from the alien Taigar (Rodney 
Helal), a friend of Stephen and Tyso's. 

180-WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE
Stephen returns to the Trig to visit a critically injured Tyso. The twins 
talk Lorraine into singing one of Terry's leftover songs for them. Jeremy and 
Liz have a talk, with Liz getting a major shock when Jeremy reveals his 
nationality...South African. Julia homes in on Trent, who is vacationing in 
the Caribbean. Stephen and Taigar bring Tyso home. Toby makes a major 
breakthrough. Jeff tells Heather the reason he feels so isolated. Max and 
Amanda visit Shirewood.

181-RACE FOR TIME
Toby and Jeb, with Taigar and Heather, work to free Andreas from a secret 
Soviet detention center. Dassie M'bondo (Nichelle Nichols) , Liz's aunt, 
visits her niece at home in Jamaica. John and Heather spend some quiet time 
together. Peter Wilson returns to his old haunts, which could be a mistake. 
Stevi cares for Tyso as Stephen wrestles with his guilt over having left two 
years earlier. Jake and Josh take Lorraine into the recording studio. Jeremy 
and Liz forge the beginnings of a strong team relationship. Jeb makes a final 
decision about his past, while Toby's memory comes completely back. Josh 
tries to find a way to help Jeff.

182-GOODBYE, OLD FRIEND
Jeff comes into the open as he reveals TIM's discovery to the entire 
membership. Jeff comes to terms with having AIDS and all that has happened to 
him since breaking out. He seeks out his parents and tries to forgive his 
father. Toby, Amanda, and the healing team try to come up with a solution for 
Jeff with no avail. Chip fights guilt feelings over the accident that led to 
Jeff's condition, five years earlier. Jeremy has a dream which appears to be 
a vision of the future. Jake, Josh, and Lorraine prepare for the big concert. 
Jeff decides to work things out for himself and leaves the satellite, 
seemingly for good.

183-DEADLY MUSIC
Jake and Josh hit the stage, with Jeremy a backstage guest. Lorraine is also 
a hit. Stephen cannot believe who he sees on the dance floor. Tyso continues 
to recover, with help from Stevi. Cawston asks Heather to help him learn to 
be an assistant to the healing team, which she readily agrees to do so. 
Andreas, torn apart, decides to join Terry and Renny on the Trig, feeling it 
best for everyone concerned. The twins are surprised by their uncle, who has 
come to see them perform, and to ask them for help in his research, and he 
takes Jeremy hostage as leverage. Galloway spots Stephen in the crowd as 
well.       

184-PAST AND PAST
Stephen and Galloway meet on neutral turf. The twins and Jeremy are held 
prisoner by Dr. Matthews, who explains his intentions to Jeremy. Evan's 
search through old family records reveals a secret. Chip and Max discover 
they have guilt in common. Tyso, up and about, feels a gypsy kinship with Max 
but cannot explain why.   

185-WARPATHS
Evan goes to Shirewood for help with his research. This it he family home of 
Heather's family. The twins undergo tests that could leave them dead, while 
Jeremy struggles frantically to find a way to escape. Tyso and Stevi confess 
their mutual attraction. Peter, in his old haunts, is arrested for murder, a 
frame set up by Daniel. An old abandoned TP site on Earth is consumed by 
flames. Jeremy escapes Dr. Matthews, calling desperately for help but 
stumbles on the grounds and tries to find a hiding place, with disastrous 
results. Stephen tells everyone the secret he had kept since his return to 
Earth.

186-HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE
Evan is correct in his assumptions. Max decides to find out once and for all 
who his real parents were or are. John and Stephen return to free the twins 
and scare Dr. Allen Patterson (Russ Tamblyn), while Heather and Chip struggle 
to save Jeremy from the rattlesnake's venom. Galloway officially joins forces 
with Julia. Heather is summoned to a meeting with Jack Hanna, director of 
Columbus, Ohio's zoo, as seen on David Letterman. Toby discovers that psi 
powers destroyed the old earth site. Trent begins to feel a little down. 
Jeremy has another future vision, this one involving something totally evil. 
Peter's arrest is made known to the TP, who come to his aid, while Daniel 
constricts the net around Peter, insuring a conviction and sentence he wants. 
Tyso asks Stevi for her hand in marriage. Tina laments her boring lovelife.  

187-PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK
Peter comes to trial for his alleged murdering of a young policewoman. A 
young observer in the gallery of spectators wears an eerie smile. Daniel 
ensures Peter's conviction with manufactured evidence. Julia and Matt 
Galloway plot to kill Stephen. The jury comes in, with a surprise verdict. 
Stephen visits Jani's grave and visits her parents, making an appalling 
discovery in the process: Jani was the first cousin of Matthew Galloway. 
Heather appears with Jack Hanna on LATE NIGHT WITH DAVID LETTERMAN, with 
hilariously funny results. Peter and Catherine Chandler (Linda Hamilton of 
BEAUTY AND THE BEAST), taking their mind off the upcoming sentencing, take 
the show in from the audience. The judge delivers Peter's sentence, which 
shocks everyone, especially Trent.     

188-DEATH SENTENCE
The Tp rush to save Peter from the electric chair, trying to prove the young 
man innocent. Lorraine and Catherine Chandler meet in hopes of coming up with 
a solution to Peter's predicament. Jeremy's second dream is confirmed, 
leaving him shaken. The mysterious young man from court gallery returns to 
Salem and announces their success--this is Bradley Cain (Harold J Pruett). 
Tyso and Stevi get married and return to the Trig to live.  

189-BACKWARD TURN
The Tp trick Daniel into confessing to the frame, but he escapes before he 
can be caught. Stephen and John discuss Stephen's discovery about Jani's 
family. Jeremy sees a major catastrophe, brought on by a former Tomorrow 
Person, a current Tomorrow Person, and a new Tomorrow Person, helped by a 
being of total evil. Max finds his birth records and cannot believe his eyes. 
Carol calls from the Trig. Peter is officially cleared of the charges against 
him. Galloway and Julia decide on who they want to use as their inside spy.   
 

190-FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE
An unauthorized form jaunting in turns out to be Andrew Forbes, long dead. Or 
thought dead. Galloway kidnaps Jeb. Max asks Tina and Amanda to accompany him 
to meet his real parents. Bradley Cain (Harold P Pruett of TV's THE 
OUTSIDERS) walks a thin line during his resurrection service at the base of 
the Fire Circle. Galloway meets with Cain, whom he controls the mind of. 
Damian Keller (Barrett Oliver of NEVER ENDING STORY I, COCOON, and DARYL) is 
attacked by a teacher while walking home from school. The female teacher 
tries to rape him. Jake, Josh, Toby, Heather and TIM try to discover how 
Andrew Forbes has come back from beyond the grave. (Andrew, at first was 
Soggoth's eyes, he was kept reanimated with energy from Soggoth. Andrew will 
finally make it to Heaven with the help of the late Sir Edward Shire, 
Heather's grandfather and played by Jon Pertwee----from DREAMS OF DESTINY 
where Edward died). 
   
191-PROLOGUE TO ETERNITY
Jeremy wakes up screaming, having seen the end of the world in a dream. 
Damian breaksout while being attacked, crying out for help telepathically 
without knowing it. Josh links with Andrew to find out what is going on. Cain 
strikes again with the help of Galloway and Julia, who does not realize she 
is being used. Steen comes to Earth to ask Stephen some questions. Carol 
(played by Katy Manning! for NO good reason--it should have been Sammie 
Winmill)  sends her middle son, Cesee (Brice Beckham the youngest boy on TV's 
 MR. BELEVEDERE), to Earth, but cannot explain why she thinks it is 
necessary. Cesse joins the community, as does Damian, who is very withdrawn 
because of what happened to him.



192-WHEREFORE ART THOU
Galloway and Cain begin brainwashing Jeb, who is unable to call for help. Max 
is torn between the reasons for his abandonment and his own hurt when he 
meets his mother and father. Josh is injured when Andrew suddenly goes 
berserk. Josh becomes possessed by an unknown force. Cesee tries to adapt to 
life away from the Trig, finding Earth so primitive. Stephen falls into a 
trap set by Cain and Galloway, and is forced to watch as Jeb is brainwashed, 
and in considerable pain. Jeb is mind controlled by Matt Galloway for what 
will be the rest of this "season."

193-REVENGE IS A DISH BEST SERVED IN HELL
Tina, on intuition, risks her life to try and save Stephen. Jake goes through 
agony trying to free Josh from whatever holds him. Damian fills in his 
background for the TP, knowing most of them know of him already via his older 
brother Terry Keller. Cesee and Amanda renew their old friendship. Galloway 
captures Tina. Jeb tries but is unable to resist Galloway's brutal 
treatments. Samantha and her kittens tour the satellite. Jeremy sees the evil 
one in a dream, witnessing an Aztec sacrificial ceremony.  

194-DARKNESS FROM WITHIN
Jeb returns to the satellite, no one knowing Galloway controls him. Stephen 
and Tina are thrust into each other's arms. Galloway discovers what Stephen 
knows about Jani and is outraged. Cain begins proceedings to bring the world 
to its knees. The being possessing Josh reveals its identity. Max gets to 
know his mother--Evergreen (Tyso's sister from SECRET WEAPON) and his 
father---Paul Frazier (from THE DOOMSDAY MEN). Galloway traps Julia for his 
own purposes. 

195-SOGGUTH
The Tp find out they face the devil once again---Soggoth. John sends Max, 
Amanda, and Cesee to Aerie, Arizona to be safe, much to the chagrin of Cesee. 
Here, John has his own fortress home and small private airport. Heather, 
Chip, and Jake try to think of how to help Josh, when Soggoth suddenly flees 
the helpless TP, leaving everyone stunned. Jeb continues to do Galloway's 
bidding aboard the satellite. Stephen is injured while trying to escape 
Galloway. Sogguth sets up shop in Cain's temple.

196-SAVIORS
Josh lies totally mindless in the med. center on the satellite with Heather 
struggling to save him. Sogguth gains more and more power every day. Cesee  
returns to the satellite against John's wishes. Andrew does not believe the 
story of his death. Toby follows Jeb and discovers the Fire Circle's HQ but 
is kayoed by Jeb before he can alert anyone. Jeremy tries dreamscanning to 
help Josh and Jake, guided by TIM. Lorraine goes to the Trig to recruit some 
help in the growing battle against Sogguth. Samantha and Cesee strike up a 
bargain in a partnership. Toby is brutalized by Galloway as Stephen and Tina 
watch helplessly, each unable to help the others.
  
197-ATTACK FORCE: FIRE CIRCLE
Sogguth reaches his full strength and begins to wreak havoc on the Earth, 
causing earthquakes, floods, storms, and volcanic eruptions. Jeremy's attempt 
to help Josh ends up in pain and frustration. Chip joins forces with Cesee 
and Samantha. Evan tries to find out what has happened to Julia. Stephen and 
Galloway duel to a standoff, with a glimmer of hope for the TP captives. The 
Fire Circle, powered by Sogguth, attacks Boston and New York.
 

198-RETREAT TO REGROUP
Lorraine returns from the Trig with Tyso, Tricia Conway, Taigar, and Hawk in 
tow. Tricia remeets Professor George Cawston. Heather decides to try a last 
ditch attempt to reach Josh and save his life. Stephen and Toby come up with 
an escape plan. Sogguth reveals himself  from the world but not by name. Max 
and Amanda head underground to find shelter from the storms that ravage the 
planet. Cesee shows his powers for the first time. Cain is killed by 
Galloway, who seeks to control Sogguth. Evan finds Julia near death, her life 
forces drained by Sogguth and Galloway.  

199-DESTRUCTION
Sogguth continues to devastate the Earth and plans the same for other worlds 
as well. Jeremy, against orders from both Trent and John, jaunts into the 
Fire Circle headquarters for a confrontation with Galloway and Sogguth, and 
is promptly caught. Jeb strikes in the satellite, per Galloway's orders. 
Samantha joins Max and Amanda under Aerie, where they are hiding from the 
storm.

200-ASHES ASHES
Heather is critically injured in a surprise attack by Jeb, who is subdued by 
Hawk and Taigar. Jake fights against the pain to restore the link with Josh. 
Stephen and Galloway have a final battle, with luck and Jeremy's powerful 
illusions on the side of good. Max, Amanda, and Samantha make a shocking 
discovery beneath Aerie, Arizona----a drawing of a young boy's face---the 
face of the Tp's secret weapon against Soggoth---the face of Cesse, Carol's 
young son, who will be one of the fathers of the Time Guardians. Andrew vows 
to stop Soggoth, even if it means dying again. Hawk tries to battle Soggoth 
on his own and is felled for his courageous efforts. He is not dead but 
close. Sogguth takes nearly complete control of the Earth.    

201-WE ALL FALL DOWN
The Earth feels on the verge of breaking apart. Stephen, Jeremy, Tina, and 
Toby face Galloway in a fight to escape. Jeb comes to his master's side, 
courtesy of Sogguth. Heather's condition worsens. Samantha and Max return to 
the satellite with surprising news, while Amanda tries to return but cannot, 
due to the intensity of the storms around Aerie. The Tp device their plan to 
fight Sogguth. Liz goes into labor during an attempt to kill her by an agent 
of the Fire Circle. Stephen and company defeat Galloway, and escape. Samantha 
and Max reveal the identity of the secret weapon they found beneath Aerie. 
Their secret weapon: Cesee: is surprised by the discovery. Samantha reveals a 
secret concerning Heather's condition: Heather is pregnant with twin boys. 
Jeremy, Damian, Andrew, Cesee, Stephen, Toby and Tina prepare for battle at 
Shirewood, while inside the old mansion, Charles Shire (Heather's cousin 
played by Mark Strickson of DOCTOR WHO) and Cawston help Liz to give birth. 
Sogguth bringing Jeb, Galloway and the dead Cain with him, hovers over 
Shirewood, where Jeremy has prepared the containment ceremony. Jeremy turns 
to ask one questions of the others around him, "Are we ready to die? " and 
looks up at the menacing form of Sogguth, who attacks with all his force.  

NOTES ON SEASON 7:

A little boy named Mikey Kevin Holt, played by Christopher Finefrock is also 
in this season. He is the child of TP Kevin Holt and Tp Andrea Barter. Rob 
Stone and Jeff were written out after 11 episodes (a bad move). Credits 
altered accordingly each season. Jeff contracted AIDS through a blood 
transfusion. Characters from STEPHEN AND TYSO reoccur. Andreas Kozloswki 
played by Jonathan Aluzis moved to the spinoff STAR FRONTIERS at midseason. 
LATE NIGHT WITH DAVID LETTERMAN also had David, Calvert Deforrest, Paul 
Shaffer, Will Lee, and Jack Hanna appearing as themselves, another really 
boring idea. Carol appears for three appearances.

SPINOFF CHECKLIST:
STAR FRONTIERS season two
TIMELOST season one

CROSSOVERS with BEAUTY AND THE BEAST and DAVID LETTERMAN.

MY VIEWS ON THIS SEASON AND TC'S RIPOFFS:
Okay here is where TC really started to shine as well as piss me off. 
Dianne's excellent characters and contributions excelled this series from the 
so-so often garbage that it was to a major entertaining event each week. 
Dianne, who received  no credit for her story lines and contributions as well 
as for her characters, is always the best and is always entertaining and fun. 
In addition, I became really angry at TC for his rip offs. At the time he 
made up season 7, I and Dianne had pitched several characters independent of 
each other. What TC would do is take a character, say for example, a 13 year 
old street boy that I made up. He would then take the background, change it A 
LITTLE and change the age to perhaps a 17 year old character. He would then 
introduce HIS character with the 17 year old age and the same background as 
the one I made up and perhaps change the country or the state that the 
character I made up came from. He would introduce this character EARLIER than 
he would introduce my charactor. Now I proposed this NYC street hustler boy 
and he introduced his 17 year old from some other state who found his way to 
NYC earlier. He also began to do this here, this season. For instance, Max, a 
characater who wasn't going anywhere. Max suddenly found his parents were old 
time characters Evergreen and Paul. Well, Dianne already had pitched Mike 
Bell's illegimate son Quince to TC. Quince, a great character (Christian 
Bale) is introduced in season 8, not 7. TC did this again and again. I also 
made my NYC hustler a forerunner of the Time Guardians via a THIRD BREAKOUT. 
You can see where this was used in Cesee, TC's earlier character. I also made 
use of a very young breakout about the age of 5 who was deaf and couldn't 
talk. Well this character would interact kindly and angelically with all the 
characters including the bad guys. TC then took Mikey and reintroduced him to 
the show just to do the same thing. This hijacking didn't restrict itself to 
just the character but to the ACTORS and CASTING IDEAS as well as the 
storylines. It is a shame TC felt he had to do this for some of his stuff 
this season showed greatness above and beyond all he had done before. The 
Soggoth stuff, despite the slowness of coming, was really quite good. The 
BAD: a crossover with BEAUTY AND THE BEAST. It seemed unneeded. I like BEAUTY 
AND THE BEAST a great deal but this story, a typical trial frame up story, 
didn't need Catherine to be in it. Later, I suggested a FRIDAY THE 13TH THE 
SERIES character, the newly young Ryan (now either 9 or 11) breakout and low 
and behold in season 9, there was a FRIDAY THE 13TH crossover which TC took 
credit for. TC was NEVER any good at naming characters: he took names of 
actors, sometimes the actors who played them and made those the names. WORSE: 
he took names of already existing characters and used them again! Thus we had 
two or three Kevins, at least two CCs, and now he makes a Peter arrive. Well, 
Peter was a Time Guardian. Later we will get a Marco and a Marcus, two 
different characters who break out almost at the same time, and a villain 
named Corey while we had a Kory or Cory already as a hero. This kind of 
confusion could have been avoided but wasn't. Another problem I had was with 
the books themselves: the first book in particular just hinted at what 
happened. I had to dig and ask and ask and ask to find out Max's parent's 
identities. You won't find it in the first book. There are also many other 
things that I had to find out and many which I will never which the books 
just hint at but don't fully explain. Later books were better at giving us 
more details. I constantly told him this was needed and he revised the format 
due to my detailed criticisms and advice.  I am still pissed that his hidden 
seasons 10, 11 and 12 were not given to me. I can only guess at what he 
ripped off of me without giving me any credit.      



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs killing
Date: 06 Apr 2000 17:50:01 EDT

Mmmm, killing is killing.

I think if you kill a thing that is not sentient, that is still killing. You 
are doing the act.



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs Killing and The Power of Belief
Date: 06 Apr 2000 17:54:26 EDT

Let's not forgot that Peter was unable to run a spear through Guthran (Gut 
run?) even when Guthrun would have killed him, Stephen and Coatus. "I can't!" 



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From: "Hately, Shaun" <Shaun.Hately@auspost.com.au>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: TPs Killing and The Power of Belief
Date: 07 Apr 2000 10:57:40 +1000 

> From: AgentRacerX@cs.com [mailto:AgentRacerX@cs.com]
>
> I wouldn't worry about it.  Aside from the Tapestry Series, 
> there are very 
> few TP stories detailing earlier lives of the TP.  Most 
> fandoms have all 
> sorts of background stories.  I say we gotta get started at 
> some point.  
> Reading different people's interpretations of characters has 
> always been 
> something I enjoy.

It's not that I am worried about how people might see my interpretations -
it's something else entirely that make me reluctant to post. I'm very aware
that other people's perceptions of characters differ, and not everyone
agrees with mine - but trying to outline John's early life was *very* hard,
and I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable seeing how I did it.

Shaun
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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs Killing and The Power of Belief
Date: 06 Apr 2000 22:20:03 EDT

I would love to see it Shaun!



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: TC to come
Date: 06 Apr 2000 22:20:53 EDT

Here is a glimpse of the future titles of the TC "universe" until it's 
OFFICIAL end in season 9:





1990-1991

238-FROM RUSSIA WITH FEAR
239-JAWS OF THE SHARK
240-TRAINING GROUND
241-BREAKING GROUND
242-INVASION OF THE SOUL
243-REHAB RELAPSE
244-INDEFINATE FUTURES
245-BACK IN THE USSR
246-PAST AQUAINTENCES 
247-INCIDENT IN NEW ORLEANS
248-SHATTERED MINDS
249-TRIAL BY FAN
250-FINAL DEPARTURES
251-VISIONS OF PRETTY MAIDS, ALL IN A ROW
252-THE MOST UNIQUE CHRISTMAS OF ALL
253-SHRINKING SENSATION
254-ORPHAN BY CHOICE
255-FAMILY SECRETS
256-INTERNAL MATTERS
257-A WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING
258-SIREN SONG
259-DEEP IN THE HEART OF CHINA
260-PREMATURE INTERMENT
261-KILKRIE CRY
262-WOUNDS OF THE HEART
263-HAIL TO THE CHIEF
264-FROM NOW UNTIL DOOMSDAY
265-STREET LIFE
266-BACKWARD DEFECTIONS
267-LIFE IN HELL
268-GHOST OF THE PAST
269-IMPOSSIBLE MISSIONS
270-INFILTRATOR
271-FLIGHT TO OBLIVION
272-GEMINI DREAMS
273-SHADES OF ARMEGEDDON


SPINOFF CHECKLIST:

NOTES ON SEASON NINE--THE very LAST official season:




SPINOFFS

STEPHEN AND TYSO

1983 to 1984

1-PERMANENT VACATION
2-BLUE ICE
3-FROM THE MIST OF TIME
4-MISSION: DEADLY
5-WHERE BUZZARDS MEET
6-POISON ARROW
7-REVOLUTION
8-LOVESICK BLUES
9-SCENES FROM A DREAM
10-BLIND LUCK
11-VAGRANT
12-A MATTER OF POLICY
13-PLANET OF PARADISE
14-SOMEWHERE OUT THERE
15-PROPOSED PLANS
16-WORKS IN PROGRESS
17-DOUBLE CROSS
18-STANDING ALONE
19-PROBLEMS SOLVED
20-MASTER OF MINDS
21-FOREGONE CONCLUSION
22-MAKING UP FOR LOST TIME
23-THE LINK
24-DEADLY TERROR

1984 TO 1985

25-DEVESTATION
26-THE HORNS OF TAIGAR
27-KOLAR'S FOLLY
28-INVESTIGATIVE TACTICS
29-SENSITIVE INFORMATION
30-MEETING TERMS
31-DENIAL
32-FOLLOWING ORDERS
33-PAST ATTACK
34-COUNCIL ONE, EARTHERS ZERO
35-NO TURNING BACK
36-FAST TRACK
37-CHANGE OF VENUE
38-IN THE SHADOW OF A HAWK
39-BEST MAN WINS
40-COMING FROM A FAR PLACE
41-FROM WITHIN...
42-WARNING BELL
43-A SIGN FROM ABOVE SHALL BE AS SWEET
44-A CURRENT AFFAIR
45-TIL THE END OF ETERNITY
46-DEADLY ENCOUNTER

1985-1986
47-HEALING TOUCH
48-HEALING HAWK
49-CONTROLLED COLORING
50-POSSESSION
51-OVERMIND OBITUARY
52-HAWK'S HEART
53-IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE
54-MED ALERT
55-OLD TIES
56-FROM THE MOUTHS OF BABES
57-BACK HOME AGAIN
58-FAR FROM CIVILIZATION
59-PAST PLANE
60-HOWEVER MANY THRE ARE, THERE ARE NEVER ENOUGH
61-STEPHEN'S QUEST
62-WHAT'S GOING ON?
63-CENTER OF THE WELL
64-ARIK'S PLANS
65-ESCAPE FROM YESTERDAY
66-BACKTRACK
67-DRIFTING
68-FINAL SPLIT


STARTEAM FOUR---aka STEPHEN AND TYSO 4 
Winter of 1986

69-BATTLE ROYALE
70-FROM THE ENDS OF THE GALAXY
71-MIND WARP
72-THE POWERS THAT BE
73-CARBON COPY
74-FROM WHENCE THEY CAME



TIME  GATE

1983 to 1984

1-INRODUCTIONS
2-WHERE EVER THEY MAY FALL
3-KEEPER OF THE OCEAN
4-FOLLIES GALACTIC
5-LONG MAY THEY WAVE
6-RENEGADE
7-ERIK THE WRONG
8-FANTASTIC JOURNEY
9-HOLD AN OLD FRIEND'S HAND
10-PEACY KEEN
11-TEMPEST
12-ROME FREE
13-BACKWARD BOUNCE
14-DEBUT NIGHT
15-NOW AND THEN
16-TO BE CONTINUED


1984 TO 1985

17-TO EACH HIS OWN
18-FOLLOW YOUR DESTINY
19-BACK TO MARCAL
20-DEFINATE CIRCUMSTANCES
21-PAST LIVES
22-DEAD AND BURIED
23-CONTINUATIONS
24-DAIMAL
25-ON EARTH
26-RESCUE
27-WHERE TO NOW
28-FREEZING ZONE
29-A WAY TO GO
30-FOREVER COMES ETERNITY
31-KERCHON
32-BACK HOME
33-LOST AND FOUND

 
1985 TO 1986

34-THE RETURN
35-WARP HOLE
36-WAY BACK WHEN
37-ANDANTE QO
38-TRACKING ERROR
39-FRIENDLY ENCOUNTER
40-PLANET POWER
41-FALLING FAST
42-WORKING TITLE



POINT OF NO RETURN

Jan to June 1984

1-FROM THE STARS
2-IN THE GARDEN
3-BALANCE OF POWER
4-FORTRESS OF EVIL
5-DANGEROUS TREK
6-TRAPDOOR
7-FALSE ECHO
8-CYCLONE
9-TWO STORIES  DOWN
10-RESCUE PARTY
11-ON THIS SIDE OF LIFE
12-PASSIVE RESISTANCE
13-FURY
14-MEDICINE MAN
15-SEE NO EVIL

Sept 1984 to 1985

16-ARRIVAL
17-BUGOUT
18-POST MORTEUM
19-HOT PEPPERS
20-SPRINGS UNDERGROUND
21-LIBERATION DAY
22-BARGAINS
23-BLOW-UP
24-REVOLT OF ARIE
25-BACK  FROM THE DEAD
26-POSSESSION
27-MISSING MEN
28-SEARCH PARTY
29-BACKTRACK
30-MAGICAL BONDAGE
31-DOWN AND DIRTY
32-EXCHANGE OF LIVES
33-MURDER PLOT
34-EARTH BOUND
35-THERE IS NOTHING LIKE A WOMAN SCORNED
36-SUMMONS
37-BACK HOME AGAIN

1985 TO 1986

38-RESURRECTION
39-FLIGHT OF FANCY
40-TRIAL BY FIRE
41-BRITTION'S  FOLLY
42-OVERHEARD
43-FOLLOW THE DOG
44-POWER OF THE SPHERE
45-FROM THE DIARY OF A PREMIER'S SON
46-PATTERNS OF FORCE
47-DEADLY DAWN
48-TAUNTS ARE PAINFUL
49-POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS
50-FALSE FRONT
51-SLAUGHTER
52-A DAY IN HELL
53-PARTIAL BLUEPRINT
54-POWER TO THE PEOPLE
55-A WOMAN'S FURY
56-POWER STRUGGLE
57-HAUNTED
58-POP FLY
59-BACK FROM OBLIVION

Feb 1987-during the New TP season five

60-PART ONE
61-PART TWO
63-PART THREE
64-PART FOUR  



GROUND ZERO

Feb 1985

1-HOMECOMING
2-PLOTLINES
3-FAR FROM OVER
4-TRACKED DOWN
5-DAMSEL IN DISTRESS
6-SHOWDOWN


1985 TO 1986

7-ALL OVER AGAIN
8-WHERE IS THE NIGHT
9-TACTICAL DISADVANTAGE
10-RED SKY AT MORNING
11-BACK TWO SQUARES
12-DANGEROUS SITUATIONS
13-PREPARATIONS
14-ARMED
15-SHOWDOWN
16-GOING HOME


STAR FRONTIERS

Jan to Sept 1988

1-TRAINING SESSIONS
2-GROUND CONTROL
3-INSIDE AGENT
4-WHERE TOMORROW PEOPLE FEAR TO TREAD
5-REVOLT
6-WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE
7-FARM TEAM
8-FEELINGS OF GUILT
9-RETURN TO TOMORROW
10-FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY
11-MAKING AMENDS
12-CHECKMATE
13-SUDDEN SQUALL
14-POWER OUTAGE
15-DEADLY SUNSET


1988 to 1989

16-FUTURE TENSE
17-CHILDHOOD'S END
18-SEASONS CHANGE
19-SEVERED TIES
20-TIME OF ARRIVAL
21-FORCIBLE ENTRY
22-SAFETY IN  NUMBERS
23-VISIONS OF THE PAST
24-PASSION FLOWER
25-GENETIC MUTATION
26-PEACE ACCORDS
27-FAR AWAY POINT
28-SCHOOL OF HARD KNOCKS
29-VIOLATION OF TRUST
30-PLANET OF DESERT
31-THE REAL MCCOY
32-RELATIONSHIPS OF PAST AND PRESENT
33-CAPTIVE AUDIENCE
34-IMPASSE
35-SHIFTING TIDE
36-BACKFIRE
37-DOUBLECROSS
38-BATTLE LINES
39-SURROUNDING AREA

1989 TO 1990

40-A PRICE TOO HIGH
41-DISTANT SHORE
42-FROM ON HIGH
43-NEMESIS OF LIGHT
44-AMOEBA
45-A STUDY IN SPIDRON
46-ELECTRIC BLUE
47-LIKE ICE
48-EVIL IN THE MIST
49-OLD ENEMIES
50-TUNNELVISION
51-OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE
52-ANXIOUSNESS
53-MYSTIC ALLIANCE
54-MAGIC SECRETS
55-INFINITE WISDOMS
56-THE SWEET TASTE OF AMBROSIA
57-DEJA VIEW
58-INVICTUS
59-AD INFINITUM
60-QUESTIONNAIRE
61-IN CASE OF FIRE, YELL FOR HELP
62-WATCH  FOR FALLING RUSSIANS
63-FROM THE OUTSIDE
64-TURNING THE TABLES
65-COSMIC CONNECTION
66-FALLING STAR
67-DOWN IN THE PITS  

1990 to 1991

68-REVERSAL OF JUSTICE
69-DEADLY CAVERNS
70-OF MEDICINE AND LAW
71-MOONLIGHT ON WATER
72-FRAGILE FRIENDSHIPS
73-BATTLE IN A DREAMSCAPE
74-INNER SOUL
75-ASK AND YE SHALL RECEIVE
76-PRISONER OF CIRCUMSTANCE
77-BIT BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU
78-MYSTIC PLACES
79-DUPLICATE LOVES
80-VOYAGES
81-MEMORIES OF HER
82-THE FUTURE TELLS ALL
83-DOMESTIC CRISIS
84-REVENGE OF ONESELF
85-QUESTIONS BUT NO ANSWERS
86-NO PEACE AND TRANQUILITY HERE
87-FREEZING
88-FIELDS OF FIRE
89-LAVA POWER
 

THE TRAVELS OF TOBY LLWELLYN

Summer 1988

1-ALONE IN THE WORLD
2-I'LL FIND MY WAY HOME
3-IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE
4-OKLAHOMA BOUND
5-HOME PLATE
6-WHEREVER I LAY MY HAT
7-DAY OF RECKONING
8-POSITIVE IDENTIFICATION
9-INNER QUEST
10-SEEING THE TRUTH
11-CENTER OF IT ALL

TIMELOST

1988 to 1989

1-TIMELOST
2-PTERYDACTYL
3-EMERGE AND SEE
4-TOO EARLY TO TELL
5-TO THE BATTLE
6-MAGNA CARTA
7-WIZARDS AND WITCHES
8-MYSTIC ANSWERS
9-WAR OF WANDS
10-GATEWAY
11-THE BRITISH ARE COMING
12-GIVE ME LIBERTY OR BUST
13-SHELTER FROM THE STORM
14-DISCOVERIES
15-ESCAPE FROM THE GALLOWS
16-BACKWARD TURN
17-FORWARD MARCH
18-CHALLENGE TO A DUEL
19-FAR FROM ROME
20-CAVE OF ENCHANTMENT
21-GATEWAY TWO
22-DESERT THE DESERT
23-BURNING OASIS
24-CHANGES
25-FALL FROM GRACE
26-ARRIVAL


1989 TO 1990

27-THE LONG ROAD HOME
28-AMONG OLD FRIENDS
29-CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES
30-BRANDISHING BLAME
31-DEMON FROM THE DEPTHS
32-SACRIFICES MADE
33-TEA IN CAIRO
34-MYSTIC SYMBOLS
35-CHANGE OF VENUE
36-HERE COMES THE SUN
37-WHITE RABBIT
38-STARRY STARRY NIGHT
39-TALKIN' BOUT MY GENERATION
40-UNIVERSAL UNDERGROUND
41-UNNATURAL OCCURANCES
42-NO TOMORROW PEOPLE BEFORE THEIR TIME
43-OUTLAWS IN  THE FOREST
44-RISE UP
45-THE FAIRCHILD LEGACY
46-YOU'VE GOTTA BE IN PICTURES
47-TOMORROW PEOPLE FOLLIES OF 1935
48-THE SAFE HOUSE
49-NO EXIT
50-THE GALLIFREYIAN CONNECTION
51-NOT QUITE MATRIX MATERIAL
52-TIME IS TIME IS TIME AGAIN
53-GUARDIANS 0, LORDS 1
54-HERE LIES ETERNITY-1 hour special

1990 TO 1991

55-TIMEFALL
56-VOLVOX
57-ESSENCE OF BEING
58-WAR IN INFINITY
59-BEGINNING OUT OF SYNC
60-INNOCENCE LOST
61-SCATTERED TO DUST
62-THE DOCTOR IS IN
63-MISTAKES IN TIME
64-AN EARLY PAST
65-AN INOPPORTUNE TIME TO GO TRAVELLING
66-HALL OF DISRUPTED TIME
67-FRINGE ELEMENTS
68-TIME AND TARDIS WILLING
69-SURPRISE ANNOUNCEMENT
70-NUPIALS ARE NOT PERFECT
71-AN IMPROPER SITUATION
72-TIME IS AS TIME REMAINS
73-HALL OF PAST
74-ATTACK FROM BEYOND TIME
75-TIME DEVASTATED
76-CRUCIFIXION OF TIME --90 min special

 HEART OF A HEALER

June 1990

1-DOCTOR COLLINS, I PRESUME
2-INTO EACH LIFE A LITTLE RAIN MUST FALL
3-THE GOOD GUYS ALWAYS WIN
4-RITE OF PASSAGE
5-WHERE ONLY AN ANGEL CAN SURVIVE
6-I'M GONNA LIVE FOREVER
7-QUEST FOR HOME
8-DOWN UNDER
9-FOREVER AMBER
10-SEEING IS BELIEVING
11-FLAGSTAFF FIRE

1990 TO 1991

12-A TEST OF WILLS
13-RETURN ENGAGEMENT
14-INNOCENT DECISIONS
15-ILLEGAL ALIENS

HOMEWORLD
November 1990 to 1991

1-IMMIGRATIONS
2-TALES FROM THE STONES
3-BREAKING TRAINING
4-HOMELINK


SHARONNA SHORES
1990 to 1991

1-BACK HOME AGAIN
2-INCIDENT IN THE CASTLE
3-MORE HOLY THAN THOU
4-CALLINGS

SOLO FLIGHTS
1990 to 1991

1-VIVIENNE: HOME AGAIN
2-CHARLES AND KIM: LINKS
3-PETER AND JUSTY: ADVENTURES IN MICRO-LAND
4-DAVY: SCENES FROM THE HEART


HAWK AND FRIENDS
1990 to 1991

1-INHERIT THE EARTH
2-ROTTEN ROT
3-OCEANS AHOY
4-NUCLEAR TERROR
5-WHEN HEARTS FAIL
6-COUNTRY UNDER FIRE
7-INSIDE EVIL
8-NESSIE, QUEEN OF THE SEAS
9-A HOUSE IS NOT A DUMP
10-"S" STANDS FOR "SLIMEY"
11-WALKING THE DOG
12-ANYONE FOR A GOOD WASTE?
13-PLANKTON EIGHT
14-PLANET'S EDGE
15-CENTRE OF THE EARTH


THE RUSSIAN DOZEN
Summer 1990

1-INTERGRATION
2-THE FIRST MONTH
3-HAVEN
4-DANGEROUS GROUND
5-INNERVISION
6-OPEN SKIES
7-IN TRAINING
8-VIOLATIONS
9-FROM THE BEGINNING
10-INFINITE COMBINATIONS
11-DANGER FROM THE INSIDE ---Two Hours


 




THE TOMORROW PEOPLE ANIMATED SERIES

1983 to 1984

1-MIX UP
2-A RIFT IN TIME-TAKE TWO
3-WHERE DO ALIENS COME FROM DADDY?
4-FUTURE SIGHT
5-SIXTH SENSE
6-KULTON WORLD
7-SKYWARD BOUND
8-INSIDE EDITION
9-ALIBIS
10-SEVENTEEN IS A DEADLY AGE
11-ANNIVERSARY
12-DEADLY RIDE
13-INNERSOUL


THE TOMORROW PEOPLE-DREAMS OF DESTINY-

THE TOMORROW PEOPLE-JEDKIAH'S REVENGE-June 1983

THE TOMORROW PEOPLE-RETURN OF THE DOOMSDAY MEN-Feb 1985

STEPHEN AND TYSO: THE ARMEGEDDON FACTOR-December 1985



AERIE
December 1990 to May 1991

1-GOD BLESS THE CHILD
2-GIRLS NIGHT OUT
3-FLIGHT OF THE DIDJERY DOO
4-SECRETS IN THE CLOSET


COAST TO COAST
December 1990 to May 1991

1-THE RICHER THEY ARE
2-MIND YOUR MIND
3-BEHIND THE WALL
4-SENDING ALL MY LOVE

       



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From: Tony Nolan <t.nolan@uts.edu.au>
Subject: TPDIS: An Australian TP question
Date: 07 Apr 2000 13:14:37 +1000


Hello,

Does any one remember when the original series was played, on channel 7 i
believe, there was a sci fi program that had an Space ARK in it.

Does any one know what it was called.

cheers
tony



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From: "Hately, Shaun" <Shaun.Hately@auspost.com.au>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: An Australian TP question
Date: 07 Apr 2000 13:16:42 +1000 

> From: Tony Nolan [mailto:t.nolan@uts.edu.au]
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Does any one remember when the original series was played, on 
> channel 7 i
> believe, there was a sci fi program that had an Space ARK in it.
> 
> Does any one know what it was called.

Battlestar: Galactica was on around (as was its sequel series, Galactica
1980) the time and sort of fits. Beyond that, I can't remember much (-8

Shaun
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From: Ana Isabel Sacristan <asacrist@mail.cinvestav.mx>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Power of Belief - TP killing
Date: 06 Apr 2000 01:45:54 -0600

TP killing: If the killing barrier applied to all life forms, where would
the line be drawn?

Members of the Jain religion in India would not kill ANYTHING, which meant
they would cover their mouths as to not kill any microbes they might breath
in, they would sweep the floor in front of them as to not step on any ants
or other bugs, they would not even pick an apple from a tree: they would
wait for it to fall off, as even plant life is still life. Very
unpractical!! No wonder they are almost extint.

I therefore tend to agree that the TP primer barrier only applies to humans
or highly intelligent sentient beings, and that any other "inner
resistance" TP may feel towards killing other life forms is more a matter
of choice, belief, and respect for that lifeform.

It may sound a bit absurd -- or maybe it is just the TP in me :)  -- but
sometimes I find it very hard to kill even the ugliest bug: I do do it if I
have to, of course, but it is not always easy: I always feel I have to
apologise to the bug if I kill it. Even with flowers, if I pick one I try
to ask for its permission. As to animals, I am a vegetarian, but I would
not hesitate to kill an animal to put it out of suffering, or if there was
no other food, or if I really needed to defend myself (from an animal. With
human beings I tend to think I would rather let myself be killed than to
kill someone, although one never knows how one would act in such
situation). It is a matter of choice and belief, of course, not to kill
life, but only as long as it is practical.

If the TP, like the Jain, would not kill any life, it would be practically
impossible to live on. That is why I believe the prime barrier can only
apply to humans or other such sentient beings. 

Anyway, those are my thoughts.

--Ana




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From: jane starr <starr@planet.eon.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs killing
Date: 07 Apr 2000 00:40:04 -0600

At 08:26 AM 06/04/00 -0700, you wrote:
>>Well, I'm with Tigger.  I've always believed that the no-kill rule applied
>>to sentient beings, which might be stretched to cetaceans, depending on how
>>high you rate them (so long, and thanks for all the fish...) and maybe
>>higher primates.  Also the white mice, but that's another story ;)
>White mice and rats only if they've come from NIMH.  :-)

I was thinking of the ones which are the representation in this reality of 
the hyper-intelligent pan-dimensional beings who were searching for the 
question that would make sense of the answer to the Ultimate Question of 
Life, The Universe, and Everything :)


>Sentience is a pretty hard thing to classify.  You can't really ask the 
>animal.  How 'high' of a primate does it take?  Lemurs are *extremely* 
>bright - does that make them sentient?  How about octupus?  They're 
>amazingly intelligent - *HUGE* brains - but are they sentient?  They make 
>for an odd study as in evolutionary terms they are further back in 
>development than *all* vertebrates.  Kind of spooky.
>
>So how would the TPs be able to tell sentience?  Sentient animals give off 
>a telepathic vibe?
>I don't know.  Seems hard to draw the line anywhere.  Obviously the new 
>series could kill mosquitoes.  And the Old Series TPs could hunt and fish.

Nobody eats lemurs, do they?  Eeeuw.  I thought it was habitat destruction 
that was wiping them out. I have to admit, I've never eaten octopus but 
squid are very nice if prepared properly, so maybe octopus is too (gee it's 
been a long time since we went for dim sum...)

The question is moot, anyway, unless the animal in question is immediately 
dangerous (as in attacking right then) or for food.  The likelihood of most 
common food animals being sentient is not especially high and they can 
easily supply all the meat and byproducts a society requires.  Unlikely the 
TP would consider killing a lemur or a dolphin or anything else for fun or 
fur, sentient or not.  Maybe that's my own bias talking though.  I think 
hunting, except for food, is an abomination, and even for food is iffy in 
most places.

Jane


Jane Starr			starr@planet.eon.net
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
check out the ON SPEC web page at www.icomm.ca/onspec/
and 2001: A Book Odyssey - The Strathearn School Millennium Project at 
www.icomm.ca/strath2k/




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From: jane starr <starr@planet.eon.net>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: An Australian TP question
Date: 07 Apr 2000 00:59:19 -0600

At 01:16 PM 07/04/00 +1000, you wrote:
> > From: Tony Nolan [mailto:t.nolan@uts.edu.au]
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Does any one remember when the original series was played, on
> > channel 7 i
> > believe, there was a sci fi program that had an Space ARK in it.
> >
> > Does any one know what it was called.

Sounds like The Starlost.  One of the cheesiest efforts ever, and (shudder) 
Canadian made, although it was Harlan Ellison's idea.  He was so appalled 
at how it turned out that he used the name "Cordwainer Bird" in the credits 
instead of his own.  Starred Keir Dullea, Robin Ward, and  Gay Rowna.  They 
were on a giant space ark, with different habitat domes, and they moved 
from dome to dome each episode.  They had a talking computer, too.

Try a web search for "Starlost" and I bet you come up with some more 
detailed info than I can dredge up.

Jane



Jane Starr			starr@planet.eon.net
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
check out the ON SPEC web page at www.icomm.ca/onspec/
and 2001: A Book Odyssey - The Strathearn School Millennium Project at 
www.icomm.ca/strath2k/




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From: "David_M_Yates" <David_M_Yates@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs Killing and The Power of Belief
Date: 07 Apr 2000 13:57:51 +0100





>
>It's not that I am worried about how people might see my interpretations -
>it's something else entirely that make me reluctant to post. I'm very aware
>that other people's perceptions of characters differ, and not everyone
>agrees with mine - but trying to outline John's early life was *very* hard,
>and I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable seeing how I did it.

I would like to see this too Shaun, but only as and when you're comfortable
with posting it.

David






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From: AgentRacerX@cs.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Power of Belief - TP killing
Date: 07 Apr 2000 15:25:37 EDT

I've noticed that this whole debate could be resolved with greater ease were 
it not for Adam's line about the shark attack.  One of the easiest ways of 
getting around it that I thought of is that he just froze.  If *you* were 
swimming and you see a large, potentially dangerous creature preparing to 
take a big bite out of your side, isn't it conceivable that you'd be too 
scared to do anything?

Also, it's possible that where animals are concerned there's the same 
instinct not to kill, but it's not as strong.  This could have contributed to 
what I mentioned above.

-Nicole



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From: "David_M_Yates" <David_M_Yates@email.msn.com>
Subject: TPDIS: All this TC stuff
Date: 07 Apr 2000 22:27:41 +0100


A question from the uninitiated.........


     These fascinating summaries of TC's series that we have been reading
for the last few weeks, were they ever made into proper books, or fan-fics.
If they were, are they still available or are these summaries all that we
have?

"Live long and prosper....."

David.





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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: An Australian TP question
Date: 07 Apr 2000 17:57:35 EDT

There was a show called ARK II but that wasn't a space ark. It was in the 
future of Earth.

Another show with a HUGE space ARK was THE STARLOST. Made in the early to mid 
70s a kind of MOD SQUAD IN SPACE, it featured travels through the domes of a 
space ark on a collision course. Civilizations of all kinds were in each 
dome. It was pretty interesting besides being kind of hokey in the FX dept. 
Keir Dullea was in it from 2001. I am sure I spelled his name wrong. 



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: An Australian TP question
Date: 07 Apr 2000 17:58:13 EDT

There was also a sci fic juvenile/teen soap opera on in England I think. I 
don't know if it was on in England and I cannot recall the name but I will 
research it if you want. 



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: TC stuff and explanations
Date: 07 Apr 2000 18:21:57 EDT

The books were made but not into full stories. They were summaries. As far as 
I know there were three books. The first did the brief summaries up to season 
7. Then there was a bigger book, season 8, which I think was the best. Season 
9's book was HUGE and not too bad either. However, some of the storylines 
were heading in really dull directions and the spinoffs took a turn for the 
worst. Others on the list seem to think that there were seasons 10 to 12 too 
but TC, often witholding things from people he didn't think should get them 
(even if they paid or donated storylines) often didn't send them to the 
people who should have gotten them. Often he did this because they might see 
that he stole their characters or stories. Almost none of these were fully 
written out, in fact, there might have been one, a STARMAN crossover (a 
really boring one), that TC wrote out fully under one of his aliases. I think 
this zine is long out of print. Dianne uses her characters Heather and Amanda 
and others in her excellent stories but these are not really adaptations of 
the stories in the TC universe. The synopsises in books 2 and 3 were much 
longer. TC didn't trust himself in his writing the full lengths. He should 
have as he wasn't that bad and was improving all the time. Instead, he wrote 
"scenes" which he only passed around to certain people and in addition, he 
often lifted  ideas almost totally and disguised them as his own in clever 
ways and some not so clever. The books I have no idea if he sells any more 
but I doubt it. He seems to be out of TP fandom. Apparently after he and I 
split over what he calls creative differences (his ripping off of my 
characters and ideas and his messing my stories into his own), he withdrew 
totally from me, despite attempts to renew a friendship. He even disguised 
his voice as a female on the phone. TC often wanted to hook up with a female 
writing partner, going from one to the other until he found one he could 
marry. Each female was catered to until they showed some disapproval at some 
of what he did. Then he supposedly found one and to marry and did. After 
this, he seemed to offer life time memberships to people and took more money, 
then just vanished. I think in between all this, the IRS sought him out and 
one of his female "finds", a writer, threatened to sue him (since it was all 
fan fic, I don't think she really had a leg to stand on). I can imagine him 
continuing the series and not letting the TP fans know about it, only "close" 
pals. He seemed to use male friends more in a negative way. It could have 
something to do with his dad. I mean if you look at the fiction, there are 
lots of dads and brothers who are villains and who are using their sons in 
bad ways. This might have something to do with reality. Anyway, I am posting 
what I can of the books and the universe to share with those who do not have 
them or do not have a way to get them and would like to read about them. I 
also have some notes about Season 10 as TC plannned it.

I also wrote my characters into over 20 plus full length novels. I am 
considering posting them. I have posted MANY at SciFicGate but I am not happy 
with the formatting. I may still post them there. Some are rated G, some PG, 
some R, and some might just be considering X with some scenes in there. I may 
take the R versions or PG versions of those by removing the X scenes. One is 
notoriously violent and should be X just from violence alone. I don't think 
it would be as strong with the violence out of it. That one, OBLIGATIONS, 
also ends the spinoff TIME GATE. It was permitted by TC that I end that 
storyline. Afterwards, a lot of tension built up over that story. TC hated 
it, couldn't tell me, then he later said it was a masterpiece once he sat 
down and read (or reread--it was hard to tell with him) it. TC, I think, 
might have been jealous of my being able to write full length stories while 
he only wrote synopsises. I also didn't feel the need, after a time, to get 
bogged down by casting (while intially casting helped me expand my 
characters), air dates, and all that went along with pretending it was a real 
TV series. To me, it limited lots of things and the constant crossovers were 
a pain in the neck. After a bit, TC threw everything he could to stop me from 
doing what I wanted to do in stories that he was told about ahead of time and 
when he saw eacxh story, he liked them and approved just about all of them. 
Yet he had to split them for his "show" and that I understood. There is more 
but I hate to rehash even more of it. It was a bad time for me and TC made it 
worse than anyone ever could. 

At the same time as all this, TC constantly promised and couldn't deliver. He 
kept saying he was a real publisher who would publish books of all sorts 
about TV shows. I sent him an approved LAND OF THE GIANTS synopsis for every 
episode and spinoff of the show, one that I still have copies of. He never 
did a thing with it and hardly even commented on it, besides saying he wasn't 
a fan. Yet he promised his "publishing" company would use it. TC was a bit 
delusional and unstable as well...I really couldn't figure him out at all at 
the time and only thought his ideas of expanding the TP and getting the 
rights...as he tried to do...would have been wonderful. Agani, the promises 
went on and he continued to make more. 



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From: Tony Nolan <t.nolan@uts.edu.au>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: An Australian TP question
Date: 08 Apr 2000 08:27:57 +1000



Thank you

StarLOST appears to be the right progeam i was thinking of.

regards
tony




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From: "Shaun Hately" <drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: TPDIS: TC Kirkham
Date: 08 Apr 2000 08:38:55 +1000

OK - stepping in here as assistant list admin.

Please be very careful in discussing TC Kirkham - talking about him in
connection to TP fandom is fine and perfectly on-topic. Opinions on what he
did included - but speculation on his mental state is going a bit too far.
It is necessary to ask people to be careful about this topic as there are
potential legal issues involved - what seems to you a harmless statement,
may cause hassles for others.

Shaun




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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: All this TC stuff pt 2
Date: 07 Apr 2000 18:49:54 EDT

I have written what stories I could and these stories were to be 
"incorporated" into TC's season ten.

They are (full stories) :

THE STORY OF ROLLIN
RELEASE
THE MEDUSA MONSTER
RECONCILIATION
BACK TO THE ATTIC
RETURN TO RIGORA
HAUNTED INSIDE-which features Jake or Josh's baby being a telpathic ghost
PARALLEL- a universe with the Tp being just a TV show
FACING THE TRIAD
MISSING LINKS-during a mildly warm Jan. 1991, begins Jan. 2-
OBLIGATIONS-
CATCH ME NOW I'M FALLING 
COME AND GO-murder at reservation---Jan. 22-Feb. 11--seven or more storylines
ALL HANDS BELOW DECK-Tp boys, Rico on Marcus yacht--June-short story 
RUBOWSKI'S SCARE-Rico, Roll, Borj time travel to Rubwoski-August-short story


There are also three short stories about Borj's DRIVING TEST and the first of 
Rollin's  suicide attempt---REFLECTIONS THROUGH A GLASS DARKLY.


I also wrote some with the original series cast:

A CHANGE OF SIDES-Mike has just joined, an Odin universe story about TP 
killing
THE PHANTOM OF CALIFORNIA-a TP story with the original cast post series
SUMMONS-Hsue Tai and Mike in Japan, meet her grandfather and a TP whale  




The timeline with my characters and their stories is:

THE STORY OF ROLLIN-Kulthans, Kremlon, David Banner, Rollin's first 2 
breakouts  
ROLLIN GETS HEALING AND RAISING THE DEAD-Feb. 15 (Quince visits)
SHORT BOXERS-Feb. 16 
ACTS OF REBELLION-Feb. 20 
RELEASE-April 3--April 23-Easter Week-Rico out of attic
CARRIER OF THEY-April 28 
THE MEDUSA MONSTER-May 1-May 30-Panta breaks out, giant medusa 
RECONCILIATION-Rico, Marette on island--May 31-June 4
BACK TO THE ATTIC-Marco, Rico face fear of attic-June 10-June 14
RETURN TO RIGORA-Zayton creature--June 20-June 26
HAUNTED INSIDE-unborn baby haunts a TP and fiance-J