From: "Michael Matott" <greyfalconsaerie@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: the others
Date: 01 Apr 2000 21:37:45 PST

>
>
>The OThers is really nothing like the TP at all with maybe the exception 
>that
>they have some powers but not powers they can always control...and mostly
>into the supernatural realm of Heaven and hell and all that goes in 
>between.
>It is a very good show but seemed very different than the TP.
>

But, as it deals with the paranormal, it's likely to appeal to TP fans.

I think what got the reposting about it was the pic from the website of the 
cast around a glowing table, with their hands outstretched and fingertips 
just shy of touching. :-)  Looking nothing at all like something we've seen 
many times before. <grin>

mike
- do ya think the people who came up with that shot idea were TP fans?
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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: the others
Date: 02 Apr 2000 01:39:53 EST

No, I doubt they were  TP fans--I think they were setting up a seance scene.



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Subject: TPDIS: tctp5
Date: 02 Apr 2000 01:40:25 EST

1986-1987

Becomes 90 Minutes (previous episodes were one hour)

112-OUT OF CONTROL
Toby regains consciousness in time to save the satellite, but not Kevin. 
Chip, off satellite, helps Jeff break out. TIM is found to be beyond normal 
repair. Andrea views Kevin's video will. Renny and Frasier discover Julia's 
treachery and rescue a weak and devastated Terry. The entire membership is 
made aware of the accident. Andrea, memories hurting her too much, leaves the 
TP with she and Kevin's unborn child. Chip's friend, Jeff Martin (Rob Stone 
of MR. BELVEDERE) breaks out. NOTE: Jeff appeared in Season 4 and started in 
the episode 105-FIRE AND WATER).

113-MARRIAGE MADE IN HEAVEN
Elizabeth becomes Mrs. Gary Novell. Terry does some serious soul searching, 
hoping to heal the pain in his heart caused by Julia. Julia plots to capture 
and use the TP. Liz, wanting her happiness to last, resigns as leader and 
becomes a reservist. Dion is elected the new leader. Tyso reports Stephen's 
voluntary disappearance.

114-CHOICE PRIZE
Toby shoulders all the blame for the accident, despite absolution by the 
group. Jeff's scientist parents want to sacrifice him for a nobel prize when 
he reveals his powers to them. A valley girl has a breakout attack in a local 
mall. Stevi Weeks (April Lerman) joins the TP.

115-APPEARANCES
Jeff, made a prisoner by his father, is rescued by Chip and Toby. Evan 
disappears while visiting home. Toby unveils his new, improved reconstruction 
of TIM.

116-RESERVATIONS--INDIAN AND OTHERWISE
Lorraine and Danette go looking for Evan. Accidental radiation overload while 
cleaning the satellite fells Jeff. Darren helps fellow college student Tina 
Bracken (Kristina Malandro) break out.

117-TRIBAL WARFARE
Evan is being held prisoner by his village's doctor, who is working for 
Julia. Lorraine and Danette go to Terry for help, who reveals Julia's 
intentions to the whole of the group. Evan escapes with aid from an 
unexpected source. Evan's rescuer is not seen nor revealed yet. Later we find 
out it is the missing Stephen Jamieson.

118-COO COO U
A teenager, put into a mental institution by a greedy stepfather, breaks out 
when his doctor tries to kill him. Derek Tomlin (Rodney Pearson), while being 
rescued by Darren and Frasier, tells his story of imprisonment. Toby and Chip 
try a dangerous last ditch effort to save a dying Jeff.

119-EXILES
Dion raises the group's anger when he exiles Toby, Chip and Jeff  to Earth 
with power blocked for trying the dangerous cure attempt. A young record 
producer and performer jaunts during a performance. Trent Wilson (Mike 
Hartung) joins.

120-ON OUR OWN
Trent is oriented by Terry, who takes over Toby's usual duties while Toby is 
in a forced exile on Earth. Dion stands his ground over his decision to exile 
the three. Endrei discovers Julia's latest plan, involving the CIA and the 
KGB. Toby, Chip, and Jeff discuss their exile.

121-RELAPSE
Toby frantically tries to contact TIM when Jeff suffers a relapse but finds 
all communications blocked, even telephone. The membership votes to override 
Dion's exile order.

122-INTERNAL DIFFICULTIES
Ex exiles Toby, Chip, and Jeff return to the satellite following the vote 
that Evan called. Dion is angry about having his first major decision 
overrode. Toby races against time to drain radiation from Jeff. When Dion 
shows no regret of his original decision, Toby in an un-TP like rage, decks 
the new leader, despite Dion's foot taller height.

123-SCAMMING
With help from the TP, Derek plots to bring his conniving and murderous step 
father to justice. Derek tricks his step father into confessing his 
intentions to Interpol agent Chris Harding. Toby apologizes to Dion, who 
tells the younger man he'll try to do better.

124-MUSICAL MAYHEM
Trent helps Terry and his band land a major gig. Julia plots to recapture 
Terry after his concert, which she attends in disguise. Trent innocently 
alerts Dion of Julia's plot against Terry, and makes sure the woman is unable 
to get near the young singer.

125-FEELINGS OF INADEQUACY
Dion is angered by Terry's showbiz dreams, fearing it will make it easier for 
people to discover the TP. Tina goes undercover at Julia's mansion to find 
out her long range plans.

126-UNDERGROUND CELLS
Tina reports that Julia is turning her acreage into an underground fortress, 
designed to keep TP captives. Toby informs Jeff that his radiation sickness 
is permanent but controllable with regular treatments and promises the new TP 
to keep looking for a cure.

127-OFF WORLD TROUBLE
Mike calls from Sharonna to inform the TP that they have almost completed 
their goal on Sharonna, then falls into a trap which could kill them all. JJ 
gets off an SOS. Danette and Toby talk about their relationship. Evan, Chip, 
Toby, Stevi, Jeff, and Danette are sent to help Mike.

128-POINT OF RETURN
Mike and his friends are sentenced to execution. With the help of the TP 
group, Mike and friends turn the tables and finally bring Mistress Alexia 
(Marj Dusay) to her downfall. Dreidal assumes the throne. Mike, Barney, and 
Barb decide to return home, following JJ and Adrianna's wedding while Tawny 
stays behind briefly to help restore proper order.

129-IN TRANSIT
Tawny returns home, while JJ stays behind as Adrianna's husband but a 
renegade comet streaks through Mike's signal, causing a malfunction and 
leaving Mike horribly burned and in pain. Toby must decide if he has the 
skill to conduct the operation that would save Mike's life.

130-PREMONITIONS
Mike's surgery is successful but leaves him with a new face (!?!?!). NOTE: 
Mike Cerveris (of FAME plays Mike--go throw up now. Jillian contemplates a 
change in her life. Stevi is attracted to Endrei, who is having a series of 
disturbing, precognitive dreams.

131-VISION OF DEATH
Liz, consulting with Dion, tells him to ease up on his by the book attitude. 
Endrei's dreams foretell his own death. Barney and Barb elope to Reno.

132-MISAPPROPRIATE OPPORTUNITY
Ignoring Liz's advice, Dion sends Terry and Renny into Julia's new 
stronghold, where an explosion leaves Renny facing the grim reaper. Jillian 
accuses Dion of being totally devoid of feelings.

133-HELL TRAP
Terry barely makes it back to the satellite, seriously injured. Toby tends to 
Terry's wounds while Jillian and Jesse jaunt in to help Tina free Renny, whom 
Julia plans to dissect following death.

134-RECOGNITION AND TRADITION
The rescue team saves Renny from certain doom, barely escaping from the 
furious Julia. Chip and Jeff discuss parents and powers. Dion breaks some 
long standing traditions.

135-THEORETICAL MUTINY
Dion humiliates Evan in front of a full assembly. Evan and Toby discuss 
theoretical mutiny for the good of the TP. Lorraine goes to the aid of an old 
friend.

136-KAMIKAZE TACTICS
Driadnai and Trent join Evan and Toby for a secret meeting. Dion uses his 
powers to sabotage Terry's record audition, believing he acts for the good of 
all the TP. Jillian decides to take her leave of the TP soon.

137-CONFRONTATIONS
Endrei's doom dream reoccurs, he decides to find out if Julia is the reason 
for his dreams. Barb and Barney decide to become reservists to start a 
family. Terry and Renny confront Dion about his attitude and his rights as a 
leader.

138-SPIRIT OF COOPERATION
Endrei, captured by Julia, agrees to cooperate with her if she will leave the 
rest of the TP alone, which she agrees to do, then promptly breaks her 
agreement. Darren and Frasier stumble upon a gang murder.

139-MURDEROUS FURY
Darren and Frasier, running from the murderous street gang, call upon Jesse 
for help. Dion asserts his position and tells Terry he will block the young 
musician's every attempt to be in the music business.

140-MIND SIFTER
Zeke and Dri fall into a trap set by Julia, who begins to use her new Mind 
Sifter, brainwashing them and forcing information out of her captives. The 
movement against Dion continues to grow.

141-FINAL CHANCE
Endrei, trying to stop Julia and her brutal brainwashing tactics, makes a 
multiple fatal choice. Zeke's memory is completely erased by Julia's mind 
sifter. Evan asks Liz to mediate problems between Dion and the growing 
majority of the membership. Jeff, weakened by his radiation sickness, suffers 
a major heart attack and collapses before he can call for help. Darren and 
Frasier escape from their street gang captors but Jesse gets stuck and is 
recaptured.

NOTES ON SEASON FIVE:
Actor Pat Talkington who played Kevin Holt was killed in a car accident, thus 
his character was supposed to have Kevin turn up missing but return early on. 
Lara Jill Miller's character was supposed to stay but the passing of Pat made 
her ask to leave. Michael Cerveris replaced Mike Holloway as Mike Bell. WHY? 
This was one of the worst of many bad moves by TC. And for no apparent 
reason. Christoff St John (playing Dion) became Kristoff St John. Keith 
Mitchell took on the name Keith Coogan (playing Toby). Toby fixed TIM and 
expanded him all over the satellite. His personality was given an overhaul as 
well and his voice became that of Vincent Price. As much as I like Price, 
this was yet another bad move in a series of bad moves. The 90 minute format 
seemed un-needed as not much continued to happen via each episode. Jeff 
Martin, a pivotal character for this season and the season to follow, was, in 
the first book, barely mentioned as breaking out. He also appeared in season 
four but was just briefly referred to as being in trouble! Anyway, Jeff broke 
out but knew Chip for a long time and was a lifelong friend. Jeff apparently 
broke out in early September of 1986. 

SPINOFF CHECKLIST:
STAR TEAM FOUR-single season
POINT OF NO RETURN-February mini series to conclude the series    

    



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From: Simon Fraser <SimonF78@tiny78.demon.co.uk>
Subject: TPDIS: Hi :)
Date: 03 Apr 2000 00:29:23 +0100

Hello List :)

Just a quick note, to introduce myself, and to ask a quick question
regarding a recent thread.  

My name is Simon Fraser, and I live in Perth, Scotland.  I'm 22 years
old and have never seen an episode of the Original TP series, and I've
only seen a couple of new series eps.

However having only seen a couple of eps I fell in love with the series
and have been dying to know more about it ever since.  If anybody knows
where I can get my hands on any TP eps at all, could you drop me a line
at : SimonF78@tiny78.demon.co.uk

Finally, if I could ask about the 'TCTP' threads I've been reading.  Is
this some sort of fanfic? Sorry if I'm being ignorant, but I'm rather
confused about the whole issue ;)  Another question is, is this material
still available, and if it is, Where?? :)

Thank you for putting up with my ramblings, and I hope I'll be able to
comment on future posts 

Thanks Again
-- 
Simon Fraser



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Hi :)
Date: 02 Apr 2000 22:58:06 EDT

Hi Simon, it's me the poster of the TCTP fan fic.

This was fan fic put out years ago in the 1980s and very early 1990 by a fan 
who called himself TC Kirkham. It is not available anywhere but here and it 
has never been fully written out as far as I know into full storylines so 
what you see is all there is. There is about 9 full seasons and lotsa 
spinoffs. There were extensive plans for a 10th season which I may post also, 
providing I have the inspiration and time. TC seems to have dropped out of TP 
fandom or is using an alias of some kind. I do not know. I do know a great 
deal of the material is very good and should be shared with the fans and the 
new fans. I never had any ordering trouble with TC at all, in fact, I got 
everything I paid for. I heard that others did have trouble. Anyway, this 
material is too good not to share (most of it anyway). I hope you and others 
like it. If anyone thinks I should not be posting it for any reason, let me 
know.     



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From: Jeremy Rogers <jeremy.rogers@zetnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Hi :)
Date: 03 Apr 2000 06:31:33 +0100

 CMento6653@aol.com wrote: 

> This was fan fic put out years ago in the 1980s and very early 1990 by a fan 
> who called himself TC Kirkham. It is not available anywhere but here and it 
> has never been fully written out as far as I know into full storylines so 
> what you see is all there is. There is about 9 full seasons and lotsa 
> spinoffs. There were extensive plans for a 10th season which I may post also, 
> providing I have the inspiration and time.

There is more than that - it goes up to at least season 12.

> TC seems to have dropped out of TP 
> fandom or is using an alias of some kind. I do not know. I do know a great 
> deal of the material is very good and should be shared with the fans and the 
> new fans. I never had any ordering trouble with TC at all, in fact, I got 
> everything I paid for. I heard that others did have trouble. Anyway, this 
> material is too good not to share (most of it anyway). I hope you and others 
> like it. If anyone thinks I should not be posting it for any reason, let me 
> know.     

It may be appropriate for TPFICT; I'm not at all convinced it is for TPDIS.

Jez
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From: "Shaun Hately"<drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: TPDIS: TC Kirkham
Date: 03 Apr 2000 23:30:47 +1000



>Hi Simon, it's me the poster of the TCTP fan fic.
>
>This was fan fic put out years ago in the 1980s and very early 1990 by a fan

>who called himself TC Kirkham.

TC Kirkham is currently an online Discjockey - so he's still on the web in one
form. He also appears to have some involvement in 'You Can't Do That on Television'
fandom - another of Roger Price's creations. He's not exactly keeping a low
profile from what I can see - and I doubt he'd be involved in TP fandom under
a pseudonym - if he was trying to hide, he could do a better job.

But I'm glad to see these story ideas being posted - I'm also quite glad the
show never went the way TC would have envisaged (-8.


Shaun
http://www.alphalink.com.au/



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From: Jeremy Rogers <jeremy.rogers@zetnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TC Kirkham
Date: 03 Apr 2000 20:27:44 +0100

 "Shaun Hately"<drednort@alphalink.com.au> wrote: 

> TC Kirkham is currently an online Discjockey - so he's still on the web in one
> form. He also appears to have some involvement in 'You Can't Do That on Television'
> fandom - another of Roger Price's creations. He's not exactly keeping a low
> profile from what I can see - and I doubt he'd be involved in TP fandom under
> a pseudonym - if he was trying to hide, he could do a better job.

And you can pull an address and telephone number out of the dns records.
Can't say whether it is genuine or not though of course.

Jez
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From: Vivian Arney <TIA-PALS@excite.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TC Kirkham
Date: 03 Apr 2000 12:52:49 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:27:44 +0100, tpdis@lists.xmission.com wrote:

>   "Shaun Hately"<drednort@alphalink.com.au> wrote: 
>  
>  > TC Kirkham is currently an online Discjockey - so he's still on the web
in one
>  > form. He also appears to have some involvement in 'You Can't Do That on
Television'
>  > fandom - another of Roger Price's creations. He's not exactly keeping a
low
>  > profile from what I can see - and I doubt he'd be involved in TP fandom
under
>  > a pseudonym - if he was trying to hide, he could do a better job.
>  
>  And you can pull an address and telephone number out of the dns records.
>  Can't say whether it is genuine or not though of course.

I'm sorry, but the topic of TC Kirkham leaves a pretty bitter taste in my
mouth - I was one of those who fell for his "lifetime " membership scam
several years ago.  I almost dropped TP fandom all together, in fact.  

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From: Simon Fraser <SimonF78@tiny78.demon.co.uk>
Subject: TPDIS: TC Fanfic
Date: 03 Apr 2000 20:59:40 +0100

Thanks very much for the info, At least I now know what it's all about,
and Yes, I agree with you, most of it is very good, and I thank you for
posting it, so it can receive a wider audience :)

Regards
-- 
Simon Fraser



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Hi :)
Date: 03 Apr 2000 17:29:32 EDT

If there was a season 12 I wouldn't doubt that TC stole many ideas from yours 
truly and other people, without letting his "co workers" and so called 
friends know what he was doing. 



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TC Kirkham
Date: 03 Apr 2000 17:32:17 EDT

I am sorry you have a bad taste in your mouth with him. I do too. He not only 
ripped off several of my story ideas and characters, making promises that he 
was always ready to go professional, which he wasn't, but he kept a lot of 
what I sent him even though I wanted it back. He refused. In the end, I think 
he got his though because I think others threatened to sue him and the IRS 
got after him too, I think. 



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TC Kirkham
Date: 03 Apr 2000 17:32:40 EDT

What is the dns records?



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TC Kirkham
Date: 03 Apr 2000 17:38:55 EDT

I agree. I think far too many characaters broke out and too many were 
involved in the record business or some form of entertainment (due to T's 
constant love affair and obsession with trying to break into the industry 
himself---not that I'm complaining but I don't necessarily want to see it in 
the TP). Later stuff seemed to focus on bands, singers, dancers, movie and tv 
stars, soap stars, costume designers, etc. I also think there were far too 
many characters involved to get a good story going. And the multi part 
stories were not fleshed out enough to keep a lot of interest for too long 
before another part intruded. I don't know if the whole reason Dion shot  
himself was ever dealt with. 

I kind of liked the fact that the Tp were a small group. I knew they had to 
expand and TC did some of it in a good way. Yet there were far too many, even 
within the 8 years. I also think it was majorly confining to think of the 
"show" as a real TV series that was really being filmed, cast, and 
written---when none of that actually happened. The imagination was limited by 
this rather than the reverse. I do think the casting bit was good and could 
be used as a jumping point to write some good character stuff but TC's stuff 
was not story driven but soap driven. I think for a time or from time to 
time, it was character driven which could produce some good stuff. Overall, 
it is what it is. I think with some trimming here and there, it could have 
been a great revival series. Moreso than the 1990 to 1995 version we got.    



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From: "Cobalt Blue" <frostjaunt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TC Kirkham
Date: 04 Apr 2000 15:11:54 PDT


>And I doubt he'd be involved in TP fandom under
>a pseudonym - if he was trying to hide, he could do a better job.

   Not that I know much about whomever TC Kirkham is, but I do know this, 
you'd be EXTREMELY suprised about who's hiding behind the names in fan 
fiction. There are things you'd NEVER guess about who wrote WHAT on the 
archives.

*Meg smiles Wickedly*


>But I'm glad to see these story ideas being posted - I'm also quite >glad 
>the show never went the way TC would have envisaged (-8.

   One of these days, Dred, I'm going to have to get you folks to sit and 
explain what the heck this whole things is/was about. Every once and a while 
something will come up about TC Kirkham, and well, I'd really love to know 
what the story is on this guy. I've never known one single person to keep 
reoccuring like this on the list that wasn't on crew or cast of the OS or 
NS.

    But just trust me, if someone wanted to hide in the pseudonyms of fan 
fiction, it's an easy process, providing you've got the intelligence it 
takes to type and to click the mouse buttons. :)


Valete! (Latin for Goodbye to many folks)
Megan

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no heavy lifting. But I'm an S.O.B who's wife was killed by some OTHER 
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From: "Cobalt Blue" <frostjaunt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs killing
Date: 04 Apr 2000 15:25:04 PDT


   I'm going to ignore the sugar content in this message, Arpi and 
Geoff-chan, because I'm convinced that somewhere, somehow, the cookie jar 
was left unguarded and the Oreos were loosed from the secure position and 
into the hands of those who knew no better than to eat about 50,000 of them!

   As for TP's killing, if they are sane, we know they can't. Note: I am 
going by the legal definition of sane which is able to tell the difference 
between right and wrong and know the consequences of their action. In 
insanity, it becomes a question of what the no-kill rule is. If it's 
something like eating or breathing, then it would take a severe 
psychological disorder to affect it. If it's something like fear or phobia, 
that can be overcome with enough practice and retraining, then it's another 
thing.

   In Heart of Sogguth, I do believe that John was ordered to kill Elizabeth 
and couldn't successfully do it (okay there was intervention), but I was 
never sure of whether John was in control or if something had taken control 
of him. See, there's a difference. If John had been in control and something 
had made him *want* to kill Elizabeth and ignore the no-kill instinct, then 
I think an insane TP could. If something had taken over where John's 
conscious self couldn't control his actions, then it's iffy.

   If a TP were insane, for the no-kill rule to be affected, there would 
have to be a definite degree of psychological dysfunctioning going on. I 
mean, we're not talking about a 30 days in the behavioral center type deal, 
we're talking a lifer in the psych ward with an all out armament of drugs 
type deal.

   I don't think an insane TP could kill, because by the time the no-kill 
rule was erased, the TP would probably so out of touch with reality and 
their surroundings that they wouldn't be physically or mentally ABLE to kill 
anyone.

   I don't think they'd be able to. (For all those who just wanted me to get 
to the point).

Full Goose Bozo
Megan

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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs killing
Date: 04 Apr 2000 22:22:12 EDT

I thought John brought the knife down and if Liz didn't jaunt, he would have 
killed her.

In one of the novels, Tyso is able to kill fish (not the same thing and not 
actually the show).



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From: Beth A Epstein <tptigger42@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs killing
Date: 04 Apr 2000 22:18:25 -0500



CMento6653@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I thought John brought the knife down and if Liz didn't jaunt, he would have
> killed her.
Two instances.  In one case she's asleep, wakes up and grabs his hand. 
Then he stops himself.

In the other, the one you're talking about, John hesitates and creepy
man (can't remember his name right now) tells him he won't make John do
it.  Creepy evil guy then tries to stab her and John grabs that guy's
hand and mouths "Jaunt" then Liz jaunts and John's back under control.

Oy, that's confusing.

And Ami breaks control enough to tell Adam to leave in Ramases, I think.

Mostly, it's only mind control.

I'd agree with Megan, for  a TP to be able to kill they'd have to be
pretty far gone for that instinct not to assert itself, and if that were
the case, they wouldn't be able to takle much anyway.

And I keep telling you guys, animals don't count!
Tigger



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From: "Michael Matott" <greyfalconsaerie@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TC Kirkham
Date: 04 Apr 2000 20:58:28 PDT


>>And I doubt he'd be involved in TP fandom under
>>a pseudonym - if he was trying to hide, he could do a better job.
>
>   Not that I know much about whomever TC Kirkham is, but I do know this,
>you'd be EXTREMELY suprised about who's hiding behind the names in fan
>fiction. There are things you'd NEVER guess about who wrote WHAT on the
>archives.
>
>*Meg smiles Wickedly*
>

What, like Shaun's really Nicholas Young?  And Tigger's really ... but no, 
that'd be telling.

<big smiles> :-)))

mike
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From: "Michael Matott" <greyfalconsaerie@hotmail.com>
Subject: TPDIS: Re:TPs killing
Date: 04 Apr 2000 21:04:22 PDT


My take has always been that it would take nothing short of brainwashing to 
accomplish it, and that the effects would be devastating.

Not that it's canon, but the way I treated it in my fanfics has been that a 
TP committing murder - even under duress - basically goes into catatonic 
shock because of it.  I had Adam in one fanfic brainwashed to kill Gen. 
Damon, but the Prime Inhibition <or whatever it's called> was stronger than 
the brainwashing.

There's no way for us to know for sure, since we never saw anything like it. 
  Mind controlled TPs seemed capable of at least harming others - John in 
'Sogguth', Ami in 'Ramses'.

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From: "Michael Matott" <greyfalconsaerie@hotmail.com>
Subject: TPDIS: Re:TPs killing
Date: 04 Apr 2000 21:04:24 PDT


My take has always been that it would take nothing short of brainwashing to 
accomplish it, and that the effects would be devastating.

Not that it's canon, but the way I treated it in my fanfics has been that a 
TP committing murder - even under duress - basically goes into catatonic 
shock because of it.  I had Adam in one fanfic brainwashed to kill Gen. 
Damon, but the Prime Inhibition <or whatever it's called> was stronger than 
the brainwashing.

There's no way for us to know for sure, since we never saw anything like it. 
  Mind controlled TPs seemed capable of at least harming others - John in 
'Sogguth', Ami in 'Ramses'.

mike

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From: tassierilla@juno.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs killing
Date: 05 Apr 2000 07:13:25 -0400

*De-lurks for a moment*

On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:18:25 -0500 Beth A Epstein
<tptigger42@earthlink.net> writes:

>And I keep telling you guys, animals don't count!

But didn't Adam once say that he tried to kill a shark in self defence,
and couldn't bring himself to do it??   Isn't that animal????

Sarah



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perspectives...our different views.  Each one is looking at it from a
different stand point, each blames the other..."
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From: "Michael Matott" <greyfalconsaerie@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs killing
Date: 05 Apr 2000 07:53:55 PDT


>On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:18:25 -0500 Beth A Epstein
><tptigger42@earthlink.net> writes:
>
> >And I keep telling you guys, animals don't count!
>
>But didn't Adam once say that he tried to kill a shark in self defence,
>and couldn't bring himself to do it??   Isn't that animal????
>
>Sarah

No, they're gods.
:-)

(says the shark biologist)
mike

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From: David Steinberg <zzyzx@seanet.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs killing
Date: 05 Apr 2000 08:21:13 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Michael Matott wrote:

> 
> >On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:18:25 -0500 Beth A Epstein
> ><tptigger42@earthlink.net> writes:
> >
> > >And I keep telling you guys, animals don't count!
> >
> >But didn't Adam once say that he tried to kill a shark in self defence,
> >and couldn't bring himself to do it??   Isn't that animal????
> >
> >Sarah

Maybe this would be a good time to bring out my old theory about TP
and killing.   What it was is that every creature, when it is about to
be killed, puts forth a telepathic blast (saying "Please don't kill
me").  The more intelligent the creature, the stronger the blast.
More advanced telepaths, as a result, would have the barrier against
killing come for a lower life form than a less advanced telepath.
That's why, if you join the secret services, you'd start to lose your
powers.


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From: Beth Epstein <tptigger42@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs killing
Date: 05 Apr 2000 12:39:23 -0400 (EDT)

Just 'cause Adam's squeemish about it doesn't mean the rest of us.. er, them... are.
Tigger
(humour me guys, I morgue lots of flies on a daily basis.)
------Original Message------
Sent: April 5, 2000 11:13:25 AM GMT


*De-lurks for a moment*

On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:18:25 -0500 Beth A Epstein
<tptigger42@earthlink.net> writes:

>And I keep telling you guys, animals don't count!

But didn't Adam once say that he tried to kill a shark in self defence,
and couldn't bring himself to do it??   Isn't that animal????

Sarah



"Right and wrong are not what seperate us...it's our different
perspectives...our different views.  Each one is looking at it from a
different stand point, each blames the other..."
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From: "Shaun Hately" <drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: TPDIS: Power of Belief - TP killing
Date: 06 Apr 2000 07:10:15 +1000

I may have posted this before - it's hard to remember (-8

I began thinking about this in an effort to explain the Tomorrow People=92=
s
inability to kill. I had always assumed that the inability only applied t=
o
sentient creatures - the Tomorrow People were perfectly capable of killin=
g
non-sentient creatures (although individual Tomorrow People may choose no=
t
to, of course). My reason for that assumption wasn=92t absolutely conclus=
ive -
it was based on the fact that Tomorrow People do eat meat (Stephen eating
steak and chips, for one) and I felt that if they were able to eat meat (=
ie,
gain benefit from the death of an animal) it seemed unlikely that there w=
as
any blanket prohibition against the killing of animals.

In the new series, however, it is specifically mentioned that Adam was
unable to kill a shark. Now it is my understanding that sharks are one of
the least likely of animals to be considered sentient (with creatures suc=
h
as primates and whales being the most likely.) Sharks are almost totally
instinctive creatures, as I understand it - their actions are founded on
instinct with nothing approaching a rational thought process existing. So
the fact that Adam was unable to kill a shark suggested quite strongly th=
at
any prohibition could not be solely linked to the sentience of the target
creature. But it is still apparent that the new series Tomorrow People ca=
n
eat meat - references to bacon in Origin Story and to Peperoni Pizza in t=
he
Living Stones make that obvious, and so I was still not comfortable with =
the
principle that the TP could absolutely not kill when they were still quit=
e
happy to garner benefits from the deaths of animals. And further, they ar=
e
obviously quite able to kill mosquitoes in The Culex Experiment. So I cas=
t
around looking for another idea and then I thought about Adam=92s healing
abilities.

They are seen to be very powerful in Origin Story where they are used to
actually save someone=92s life - possibly even to bring someone back from=
 the
absolute brink of death. Now I=92ve heard it suggested that maybe that us=
e
drained them to such an extent that they became useless, and I quite like
that suggestion. But I offer an alternative which is linked to my opinion=
 of
why Adam could not kill that shark.

Perhaps the power of belief is the defining principle here. Adam=92s abil=
ity
to heal is shown on two occasions. On the first of these, he has no
knowledge of what he can do - it just happens. There is no possibility of
doubting his ability and so he does it. On the second occasion, the
knowledge of what he can do is still fresh in his mind and he doesn=92t e=
ven
pause to think about what he is doing. He is quick and decisive and he ju=
st
does it again. Again, there is no time for doubt.

At the start of The Culex Experiment, however, the situation could be
slightly different. Lisa wasn=92t seriously injured in Origin Story and A=
dam,
also healed her by instinct. In the case of Kevin, though, he is in a fai=
rly
serious condition. Maybe Adam develops some sort of performance anxiety -
because he feels an emotional connection to Kevin, because the situation =
is
so desperate, maybe he chokes - and so he can=92t heal Kevin. Or maybe to=
 be
fairer, the ability to heal Kevin is beyond him. This is not a purely
physical injury, this is a toxin flowing through Kevin=92s body. Maybe Ad=
am=92s
healing powers simply to not extend to that type of problem.

Regardless of the situation, perhaps Adam=92s failure to heal Kevin sows =
so
much doubt in his mind about the ability in general that he loses it -
because he failed once, he can no longer create the correct mindset and
focus himself in order to heal. Maybe he is too afraid to try and do it.

So the ability may still exist in theory - but Adam, consciously or
unconsciously refuses to use it, because of a desire to avoid the chance =
of
failure - rather than try and fail, he does not try at all.

What matters, therefore, is the power of belief. Because he believes he
cannot heal, he is unable to do it.

And let=92s apply that to being a Tomorrow Person in general and to what =
is
described as the Prime Barrier in the original series. Because a Tomorrow
Person believes they cannot kill, they simply cannot do it. That belief m=
ay
be accurate - but even if it is not, the result would be the same.

And that would also possibly explain why Adam could not kill the shark.
Perhaps a Tomorrow Person can kill a non-sentient being. But if the power=
 of
belief is strong enough to affect their abilities, if Adam believed that =
the
shark was sentient on any level, then maybe the prime barrier came into
play. It makes sense to me. How can we know if a creature is sentient or
not? Some obviously are - man is the prime example. But beyond that, no o=
ne
can really agree. There are so many different camps, it gets very confusi=
ng.

So it comes down to an individuals belief and judgement. Perhaps Adam
somehow decided in the moment that he was attacked by the shark that it w=
as
intelligent or sentient. Even if that perception was wrong, once he had
thought about it, the mere power of his belief may have triggered to prim=
e
barrier and so he could not kill the shark. But Ami never believed that t=
he
mosquitoes were sentient and so she could, without compunction, kill them.

In this theory, the power of belief, becomes as important as the substanc=
e
of reality, and in my opinion, when dealing with the matters of the human
mind, that does make sense. There may still be an absolute limit on any T=
P
ability, this theory doesn=92t preclude that. It merely suggests that oth=
er
factors besides that limit may have a profound influence.

****

Shaun




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From: jane starr <starr@planet.eon.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs killing
Date: 05 Apr 2000 23:55:43 -0700

At 12:39 PM 05/04/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Just 'cause Adam's squeemish about it doesn't mean the rest of us.. er, 
>them... are.
>Tigger
>(humour me guys, I morgue lots of flies on a daily basis.)

Well, I'm with Tigger.  I've always believed that the no-kill rule applied 
to sentient beings, which might be stretched to cetaceans, depending on how 
high you rate them (so long, and thanks for all the fish...) and maybe 
higher primates.  Also the white mice, but that's another story ;)

Most of the TP we know are city raised, and like most urbanites, they 
probably don't think much about where food comes from before it gets to the 
supermarket.  They probably couldn't kill anything much bigger than a bug 
or maybe rats and mice (I know I'd have a very hard time myself), but I 
believe it is nurture, not nature, and I'm basing my theory on Tyso, the 
only one (AFAIK) who was raised anywhere close to the land, who thought 
nothing of poaching and didn't seem especially squeamish about killing fish 
(in one of the books, anyway).  I believe that a TP raised with livestock 
would have a very pragmatic view of animals and probably be able to kill 
them when necessary.  Without cruelty or enjoyment or waste, of course, but 
still able to do it.  Even in a vegetarian society, you have to control 
pests that eat crops (rats, birds, etc.) or that are outside their own 
habitat and destroying the new one (rabbits in Australia).  I work for the 
Alberta Dept. of Agriculture - we spend a lot of money every year keeping 
this province rat-free because of the *much* greater cost of rat damage to 
crops and stored food.  Even if all you have are companion animals, a TP 
vet would have to be able to euthanize them.  It's just part of life.

Of course, I only go by Old Series evidence, because I still think the new 
series was just a tv series - part of the old series TP's plan to accustom 
the world to the idea of the TP before the mass break-outs begin, and they 
probably wanted to make themselves seem even more harmless than they really 
are :)

Jane


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Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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and 2001: A Book Odyssey - The Strathearn School Millennium Project at 
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From: "William Adams" <wladams@comp.uark.edu>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: TPs Killing and The Power of Belief
Date: 06 Apr 2000 04:54:08 -0500

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Thus far I tend to agree with Jane Starr, the TP's reluctance to kill =
animals (in general) leans more towards their urban upbringing more than =
an actual mental barrier.  As a matter of fact, I see this barrier =
coming into play only if the creature in question is formally =
non-sentient turns out to be sentient.

As for TP characters becoming vets, I can see that, and in fact, one of =
my characters is a vet.  She can kill, but, she only puts animals to =
sleep as a last resort.  Of course, she does not have any qualms about =
eradicating fleas, ticks, tapeworms etc, etc.  As for TPs becoming big =
game hunters or sausage factory workers FORGET IT.

What Shaun said last night about the power of belief got me to thinking. =
 That is a touchstone in psychology, I think.  I was wondering how would =
John cope with his powers after breaking out.  Remember he was the very =
first, so there was no one to help him through, much less teach him what =
to do.  Granted John would be clever enough to figure out his powers, on =
his own,  but I was wondering, how in the the world, with his =
conservative mind set and world view, did he ever accept he had powers =
after he developed them?

There are liekly print stories out there detailing this idea, but I =
don't think so on the list.

Just an idea.
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From: "Shaun Hately"<drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs Killing and The Power of Belief
Date: 06 Apr 2000 20:39:52 +1000

"William Adams" <wladams@comp.uark.edu> wrote on Thursday April 6, 2000 at  2:57am:

>
>There are liekly print stories out there detailing this idea, but I >don't
think so on the list.

As a matter of fact, I have one written - but I haven't yet sent it for betaring
as I am *desperately* trying to make another fic maintain consistency (-8

There's also the issue that I am not 100% comfortable with the idea of my fic
outlining how I see John's life prior to and immediately after becoming a TP
being seen by others...

Shaun
http://www.alphalink.com.au/



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From: "Michael Matott" <greyfalconsaerie@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs killing
Date: 06 Apr 2000 08:26:09 PDT

>
>At 12:39 PM 05/04/00 -0400, you wrote:
>>Just 'cause Adam's squeemish about it doesn't mean the rest of us.. er,
>>them... are.
>>Tigger
>>(humour me guys, I morgue lots of flies on a daily basis.)
>
>Well, I'm with Tigger.  I've always believed that the no-kill rule applied
>to sentient beings, which might be stretched to cetaceans, depending on how
>high you rate them (so long, and thanks for all the fish...) and maybe
>higher primates.  Also the white mice, but that's another story ;)
>

White mice and rats only if they've come from NIMH.  :-)

Sentience is a pretty hard thing to classify.  You can't really ask the 
animal.  How 'high' of a primate does it take?  Lemurs are *extremely* 
bright - does that make them sentient?  How about octupus?  They're 
amazingly intelligent - *HUGE* brains - but are they sentient?  They make 
for an odd study as in evolutionary terms they are further back in 
development than *all* vertebrates.  Kind of spooky.

So how would the TPs be able to tell sentience?  Sentient animals give off a 
telepathic vibe?

I don't know.  Seems hard to draw the line anywhere.  Obviously the new 
series could kill mosquitoes.  And the Old Series TPs could hunt and fish.

I like Tigger's idea.  That darn line of Adam's just makes *everything* so 
complicated. :-)

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From: AgentRacerX@cs.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs Killing and The Power of Belief
Date: 06 Apr 2000 15:45:05 EDT

In a message dated 4/6/00 6:40:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
drednort@alphalink.com.au writes:

> There's also the issue that I am not 100% comfortable with the idea of my 
fic
>  outlining how I see John's life prior to and immediately after becoming a 
TP
>  being seen by others...

I wouldn't worry about it.  Aside from the Tapestry Series, there are very 
few TP stories detailing earlier lives of the TP.  Most fandoms have all 
sorts of background stories.  I say we gotta get started at some point.  
Reading different people's interpretations of characters has always been 
something I enjoy.

-Nicole



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From: "Carolyn Foster" <marmion@marmion.free-online.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs killing
Date: 06 Apr 2000 21:59:49 +0100

I have a feeling that John said something about
"we will have to become less squeamish, after all we eat meat"
this implies that they could probably kill animals but I'm not sure where or
when he said it

So I think perhaps they themselves are not exactly sure where the
'prohibition' ends.

In my opinion, some TP would find that they could kill to a greater or
lesser extent (like Tyso and the fish) and others would be unable to kill
even a common housefly.

Do you think any of them would want to experiment with how far they could go
up from bacteria in the killing stakes or would they find themselves too
squeamish to try?

What do you think about before a TP breaks out. Can he/she kill then or is
it there from birth?

Carolyn






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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs Killing and The Power of Belief
Date: 06 Apr 2000 17:46:24 EDT

1988-1989

172-EXPLANATIONS
Members demand an explanation from Stephen as to his whereabouts for the past 
two years. Jeb follows his quest for information on his family. Max and 
Lorraine discover the time storm and realize it is too late to save their 
seven friends caught up in it. Jeff jaunts into the satellite, and promptly 
collapses. Toby remains missing. John gets surprising news from the Trig. Max 
discovers a cat on board the satellite. A young street hustler, Peter Wilson 
(Andrew Kavovit of AS THE WORLD TURNS and later of THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN TV 
SHOW) , is attacked by a gang of punks, and he blows them away using psionic 
energy--he doesn't kill them but they won't risk bothering him, again. 

173-REUNIONS
Heather Shire Fairchild (Catherine Oxenburg) and Amanda Fairchild (Jodie 
Sweetin of FULL HOUSE) come home from the Trig after six years. Jeb makes 
contact with his real mother. Stephen tells about his self imposed exile 
without revealing the secret reason for his return to Earth. Peter breaks out 
in front of a few unexpected witnesses in the New York underground. Trent 
locates an amnesiac Toby in a San Francisco shelter. Max breaks the rules to 
care for the cat he found, as does Trent, but on the sly. TIM discovers the 
true cause of Jeff's frequent radiation attacks. Julia and Daniel hatch new 
plots.

174-DISTINCT INSTINCT
Heather is appalled to find no specialized healers among the TP. Jake and 
Josh continue to try to determine what is changing within themselves. Stephan 
contacts Harry Steen (Kevin Stoney) at the Trig for advice. Julia is 
contacted by a mysterious young CIA agent. Toby is forced to endure a second 
breakout, brought on by his amnesia. Andreas reveals what his plans are 
concerning other Russian psioniks. Stevi freaks when she walks in on an exam 
of Max's cat, surprising Heather and Trent. Amanda spends some 
father/daughter time with John.

175-DEADLY COMBINATION
Max comes before the council for breaking the rules over the cat, who manages 
to surprise everyone. Her name is Samantha (the voice of Juliet Mills) and 
she is an alien telepathic cat. Heather persuades the twins to train as 
healers as Jake's empathy grows stronger. Amanda begins to develop a crush on 
Max, who is none too pleased. A college student named Jeremy Klein (Kris 
Kamm), on an archeological dig in Egypt is felled by sunstroke, with 
dangerous consequences. Daniel discovers the twins' plans. TIM tells Trent 
about Jeff's true condition.

176-PLANS OLD AND NEW
Julia plots to trap Trent, Jake and Josh while at the Trig, with Daniel as 
her inside agent. Chip completes the healing team, at the last moment. 
Stephen asks Tina for her help in infiltrating Julia's stronghold. Evan makes 
plans to return home for awhile. Jeff is told the bad news about his 
condition. Toby is frustrated, unable to remember anything of his past. 
Samantha tells her story. Max tries to ditch Amanda, who tags along wherever 
he goes.  

177-MIND IN THE SUN
Heather, Chip, and the twins leave for training at the Trig, with Daniel an 
unexpected passenger. Jeremy Klein breaks out near Cairo, with Lorraine and 
Trish's help. Jeb questions his identity. Max and Samantha talk scientific 
theories with Amanda, who hopes to gain respect in Max's eyes. Stevi and 
Trish discover an arsonist in their school. Stephen and Tina, attending 
Julia's party in disguise, dig for information. Peter and Jeremy adjust to 
their newfound powers. Stephen is caught by a guard at Julia's while Tina is 
stunned by a mysterious blond named Galloway...Matthew Galloway (William 
Zabka of THE EQUALIZER and BACK TO SCHOOL movie). Tina escapes Galloway, whom 
she leaves in considerable pain.     

178-SO GOES THE RIVER
The twins and Chip undergo a dangerous test to prove they are worthy of being 
healers, while Daniel plots to sabotage their training. Stephen uses his 
spectrashift to escape from Julia before she even knew of his capture. Max 
and Amanda have a long heart to heart talk. Stephen returns to the satellite 
with copies of Julia's files. M'pongold (Dan O'Herlehy) is killed when Daniel 
sabotages the Approach. Chip and the twins discover Daniel, who flees back to 
Earth.

179-THE LONG ROAD BACK
Toby, with help from Max and Professor Cawston, undergoes telepathic hypnosis 
in an attempt to regain his memory. Liz announces her pregnancy. Chip and the 
twins return to the satellite as the official healers of the TP but not 
without some sacrifices. Amanda tells her mother and father she wants a baby 
brother or sister. Stephen visits his parents. Jake and Josh land a major gig 
in a hot LA club. Andreas gets in over his head while on a solo mission. 
Lorraine receives an emergency call for help from the alien Taigar (Rodney 
Helal), a friend of Stephen and Tyso's. 

180-WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE
Stephen returns to the Trig to visit a critically injured Tyso. The twins 
talk Lorraine into singing one of Terry's leftover songs for them. Jeremy and 
Liz have a talk, with Liz getting a major shock when Jeremy reveals his 
nationality...South African. Julia homes in on Trent, who is vacationing in 
the Caribbean. Stephen and Taigar bring Tyso home. Toby makes a major 
breakthrough. Jeff tells Heather the reason he feels so isolated. Max and 
Amanda visit Shirewood.

181-RACE FOR TIME
Toby and Jeb, with Taigar and Heather, work to free Andreas from a secret 
Soviet detention center. Dassie M'bondo (Nichelle Nichols) , Liz's aunt, 
visits her niece at home in Jamaica. John and Heather spend some quiet time 
together. Peter Wilson returns to his old haunts, which could be a mistake. 
Stevi cares for Tyso as Stephen wrestles with his guilt over having left two 
years earlier. Jake and Josh take Lorraine into the recording studio. Jeremy 
and Liz forge the beginnings of a strong team relationship. Jeb makes a final 
decision about his past, while Toby's memory comes completely back. Josh 
tries to find a way to help Jeff.

182-GOODBYE, OLD FRIEND
Jeff comes into the open as he reveals TIM's discovery to the entire 
membership. Jeff comes to terms with having AIDS and all that has happened to 
him since breaking out. He seeks out his parents and tries to forgive his 
father. Toby, Amanda, and the healing team try to come up with a solution for 
Jeff with no avail. Chip fights guilt feelings over the accident that led to 
Jeff's condition, five years earlier. Jeremy has a dream which appears to be 
a vision of the future. Jake, Josh, and Lorraine prepare for the big concert. 
Jeff decides to work things out for himself and leaves the satellite, 
seemingly for good.

183-DEADLY MUSIC
Jake and Josh hit the stage, with Jeremy a backstage guest. Lorraine is also 
a hit. Stephen cannot believe who he sees on the dance floor. Tyso continues 
to recover, with help from Stevi. Cawston asks Heather to help him learn to 
be an assistant to the healing team, which she readily agrees to do so. 
Andreas, torn apart, decides to join Terry and Renny on the Trig, feeling it 
best for everyone concerned. The twins are surprised by their uncle, who has 
come to see them perform, and to ask them for help in his research, and he 
takes Jeremy hostage as leverage. Galloway spots Stephen in the crowd as 
well.       

184-PAST AND PAST
Stephen and Galloway meet on neutral turf. The twins and Jeremy are held 
prisoner by Dr. Matthews, who explains his intentions to Jeremy. Evan's 
search through old family records reveals a secret. Chip and Max discover 
they have guilt in common. Tyso, up and about, feels a gypsy kinship with Max 
but cannot explain why.   

185-WARPATHS
Evan goes to Shirewood for help with his research. This it he family home of 
Heather's family. The twins undergo tests that could leave them dead, while 
Jeremy struggles frantically to find a way to escape. Tyso and Stevi confess 
their mutual attraction. Peter, in his old haunts, is arrested for murder, a 
frame set up by Daniel. An old abandoned TP site on Earth is consumed by 
flames. Jeremy escapes Dr. Matthews, calling desperately for help but 
stumbles on the grounds and tries to find a hiding place, with disastrous 
results. Stephen tells everyone the secret he had kept since his return to 
Earth.

186-HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE
Evan is correct in his assumptions. Max decides to find out once and for all 
who his real parents were or are. John and Stephen return to free the twins 
and scare Dr. Allen Patterson (Russ Tamblyn), while Heather and Chip struggle 
to save Jeremy from the rattlesnake's venom. Galloway officially joins forces 
with Julia. Heather is summoned to a meeting with Jack Hanna, director of 
Columbus, Ohio's zoo, as seen on David Letterman. Toby discovers that psi 
powers destroyed the old earth site. Trent begins to feel a little down. 
Jeremy has another future vision, this one involving something totally evil. 
Peter's arrest is made known to the TP, who come to his aid, while Daniel 
constricts the net around Peter, insuring a conviction and sentence he wants. 
Tyso asks Stevi for her hand in marriage. Tina laments her boring lovelife.  

187-PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK
Peter comes to trial for his alleged murdering of a young policewoman. A 
young observer in the gallery of spectators wears an eerie smile. Daniel 
ensures Peter's conviction with manufactured evidence. Julia and Matt 
Galloway plot to kill Stephen. The jury comes in, with a surprise verdict. 
Stephen visits Jani's grave and visits her parents, making an appalling 
discovery in the process: Jani was the first cousin of Matthew Galloway. 
Heather appears with Jack Hanna on LATE NIGHT WITH DAVID LETTERMAN, with 
hilariously funny results. Peter and Catherine Chandler (Linda Hamilton of 
BEAUTY AND THE BEAST), taking their mind off the upcoming sentencing, take 
the show in from the audience. The judge delivers Peter's sentence, which 
shocks everyone, especially Trent.     

188-DEATH SENTENCE
The Tp rush to save Peter from the electric chair, trying to prove the young 
man innocent. Lorraine and Catherine Chandler meet in hopes of coming up with 
a solution to Peter's predicament. Jeremy's second dream is confirmed, 
leaving him shaken. The mysterious young man from court gallery returns to 
Salem and announces their success--this is Bradley Cain (Harold J Pruett). 
Tyso and Stevi get married and return to the Trig to live.  

189-BACKWARD TURN
The Tp trick Daniel into confessing to the frame, but he escapes before he 
can be caught. Stephen and John discuss Stephen's discovery about Jani's 
family. Jeremy sees a major catastrophe, brought on by a former Tomorrow 
Person, a current Tomorrow Person, and a new Tomorrow Person, helped by a 
being of total evil. Max finds his birth records and cannot believe his eyes. 
Carol calls from the Trig. Peter is officially cleared of the charges against 
him. Galloway and Julia decide on who they want to use as their inside spy.   
 

190-FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE
An unauthorized form jaunting in turns out to be Andrew Forbes, long dead. Or 
thought dead. Galloway kidnaps Jeb. Max asks Tina and Amanda to accompany him 
to meet his real parents. Bradley Cain (Harold P Pruett of TV's THE 
OUTSIDERS) walks a thin line during his resurrection service at the base of 
the Fire Circle. Galloway meets with Cain, whom he controls the mind of. 
Damian Keller (Barrett Oliver of NEVER ENDING STORY I, COCOON, and DARYL) is 
attacked by a teacher while walking home from school. The female teacher 
tries to rape him. Jake, Josh, Toby, Heather and TIM try to discover how 
Andrew Forbes has come back from beyond the grave. (Andrew, at first was 
Soggoth's eyes, he was kept reanimated with energy from Soggoth. Andrew will 
finally make it to Heaven with the help of the late Sir Edward Shire, 
Heather's grandfather and played by Jon Pertwee----from DREAMS OF DESTINY 
where Edward died). 
   
191-PROLOGUE TO ETERNITY
Jeremy wakes up screaming, having seen the end of the world in a dream. 
Damian breaksout while being attacked, crying out for help telepathically 
without knowing it. Josh links with Andrew to find out what is going on. Cain 
strikes again with the help of Galloway and Julia, who does not realize she 
is being used. Steen comes to Earth to ask Stephen some questions. Carol 
(played by Katy Manning! for NO good reason--it should have been Sammie 
Winmill)  sends her middle son, Cesee (Brice Beckham the youngest boy on TV's 
 MR. BELEVEDERE), to Earth, but cannot explain why she thinks it is 
necessary. Cesse joins the community, as does Damian, who is very withdrawn 
because of what happened to him.



192-WHEREFORE ART THOU
Galloway and Cain begin brainwashing Jeb, who is unable to call for help. Max 
is torn between the reasons for his abandonment and his own hurt when he 
meets his mother and father. Josh is injured when Andrew suddenly goes 
berserk. Josh becomes possessed by an unknown force. Cesee tries to adapt to 
life away from the Trig, finding Earth so primitive. Stephen falls into a 
trap set by Cain and Galloway, and is forced to watch as Jeb is brainwashed, 
and in considerable pain. Jeb is mind controlled by Matt Galloway for what 
will be the rest of this "season."

193-REVENGE IS A DISH BEST SERVED IN HELL
Tina, on intuition, risks her life to try and save Stephen. Jake goes through 
agony trying to free Josh from whatever holds him. Damian fills in his 
background for the TP, knowing most of them know of him already via his older 
brother Terry Keller. Cesee and Amanda renew their old friendship. Galloway 
captures Tina. Jeb tries but is unable to resist Galloway's brutal 
treatments. Samantha and her kittens tour the satellite. Jeremy sees the evil 
one in a dream, witnessing an Aztec sacrificial ceremony.  

194-DARKNESS FROM WITHIN
Jeb returns to the satellite, no one knowing Galloway controls him. Stephen 
and Tina are thrust into each other's arms. Galloway discovers what Stephen 
knows about Jani and is outraged. Cain begins proceedings to bring the world 
to its knees. The being possessing Josh reveals its identity. Max gets to 
know his mother--Evergreen (Tyso's sister from SECRET WEAPON) and his 
father---Paul Frazier (from THE DOOMSDAY MEN). Galloway traps Julia for his 
own purposes. 

195-SOGGUTH
The Tp find out they face the devil once again---Soggoth. John sends Max, 
Amanda, and Cesee to Aerie, Arizona to be safe, much to the chagrin of Cesee. 
Here, John has his own fortress home and small private airport. Heather, 
Chip, and Jake try to think of how to help Josh, when Soggoth suddenly flees 
the helpless TP, leaving everyone stunned. Jeb continues to do Galloway's 
bidding aboard the satellite. Stephen is injured while trying to escape 
Galloway. Sogguth sets up shop in Cain's temple.

196-SAVIORS
Josh lies totally mindless in the med. center on the satellite with Heather 
struggling to save him. Sogguth gains more and more power every day. Cesee  
returns to the satellite against John's wishes. Andrew does not believe the 
story of his death. Toby follows Jeb and discovers the Fire Circle's HQ but 
is kayoed by Jeb before he can alert anyone. Jeremy tries dreamscanning to 
help Josh and Jake, guided by TIM. Lorraine goes to the Trig to recruit some 
help in the growing battle against Sogguth. Samantha and Cesee strike up a 
bargain in a partnership. Toby is brutalized by Galloway as Stephen and Tina 
watch helplessly, each unable to help the others.
  
197-ATTACK FORCE: FIRE CIRCLE
Sogguth reaches his full strength and begins to wreak havoc on the Earth, 
causing earthquakes, floods, storms, and volcanic eruptions. Jeremy's attempt 
to help Josh ends up in pain and frustration. Chip joins forces with Cesee 
and Samantha. Evan tries to find out what has happened to Julia. Stephen and 
Galloway duel to a standoff, with a glimmer of hope for the TP captives. The 
Fire Circle, powered by Sogguth, attacks Boston and New York.
 

198-RETREAT TO REGROUP
Lorraine returns from the Trig with Tyso, Tricia Conway, Taigar, and Hawk in 
tow. Tricia remeets Professor George Cawston. Heather decides to try a last 
ditch attempt to reach Josh and save his life. Stephen and Toby come up with 
an escape plan. Sogguth reveals himself  from the world but not by name. Max 
and Amanda head underground to find shelter from the storms that ravage the 
planet. Cesee shows his powers for the first time. Cain is killed by 
Galloway, who seeks to control Sogguth. Evan finds Julia near death, her life 
forces drained by Sogguth and Galloway.  

199-DESTRUCTION
Sogguth continues to devastate the Earth and plans the same for other worlds 
as well. Jeremy, against orders from both Trent and John, jaunts into the 
Fire Circle headquarters for a confrontation with Galloway and Sogguth, and 
is promptly caught. Jeb strikes in the satellite, per Galloway's orders. 
Samantha joins Max and Amanda under Aerie, where they are hiding from the 
storm.

200-ASHES ASHES
Heather is critically injured in a surprise attack by Jeb, who is subdued by 
Hawk and Taigar. Jake fights against the pain to restore the link with Josh. 
Stephen and Galloway have a final battle, with luck and Jeremy's powerful 
illusions on the side of good. Max, Amanda, and Samantha make a shocking 
discovery beneath Aerie, Arizona----a drawing of a young boy's face---the 
face of the Tp's secret weapon against Soggoth---the face of Cesse, Carol's 
young son, who will be one of the fathers of the Time Guardians. Andrew vows 
to stop Soggoth, even if it means dying again. Hawk tries to battle Soggoth 
on his own and is felled for his courageous efforts. He is not dead but 
close. Sogguth takes nearly complete control of the Earth.    

201-WE ALL FALL DOWN
The Earth feels on the verge of breaking apart. Stephen, Jeremy, Tina, and 
Toby face Galloway in a fight to escape. Jeb comes to his master's side, 
courtesy of Sogguth. Heather's condition worsens. Samantha and Max return to 
the satellite with surprising news, while Amanda tries to return but cannot, 
due to the intensity of the storms around Aerie. The Tp device their plan to 
fight Sogguth. Liz goes into labor during an attempt to kill her by an agent 
of the Fire Circle. Stephen and company defeat Galloway, and escape. Samantha 
and Max reveal the identity of the secret weapon they found beneath Aerie. 
Their secret weapon: Cesee: is surprised by the discovery. Samantha reveals a 
secret concerning Heather's condition: Heather is pregnant with twin boys. 
Jeremy, Damian, Andrew, Cesee, Stephen, Toby and Tina prepare for battle at 
Shirewood, while inside the old mansion, Charles Shire (Heather's cousin 
played by Mark Strickson of DOCTOR WHO) and Cawston help Liz to give birth. 
Sogguth bringing Jeb, Galloway and the dead Cain with him, hovers over 
Shirewood, where Jeremy has prepared the containment ceremony. Jeremy turns 
to ask one questions of the others around him, "Are we ready to die? " and 
looks up at the menacing form of Sogguth, who attacks with all his force.  

NOTES ON SEASON 7:

A little boy named Mikey Kevin Holt, played by Christopher Finefrock is also 
in this season. He is the child of TP Kevin Holt and Tp Andrea Barter. Rob 
Stone and Jeff were written out after 11 episodes (a bad move). Credits 
altered accordingly each season. Jeff contracted AIDS through a blood 
transfusion. Characters from STEPHEN AND TYSO reoccur. Andreas Kozloswki 
played by Jonathan Aluzis moved to the spinoff STAR FRONTIERS at midseason. 
LATE NIGHT WITH DAVID LETTERMAN also had David, Calvert Deforrest, Paul 
Shaffer, Will Lee, and Jack Hanna appearing as themselves, another really 
boring idea. Carol appears for three appearances.

SPINOFF CHECKLIST:
STAR FRONTIERS season two
TIMELOST season one

CROSSOVERS with BEAUTY AND THE BEAST and DAVID LETTERMAN.

MY VIEWS ON THIS SEASON AND TC'S RIPOFFS:
Okay here is where TC really started to shine as well as piss me off. 
Dianne's excellent characters and contributions excelled this series from the 
so-so often garbage that it was to a major entertaining event each week. 
Dianne, who received  no credit for her story lines and contributions as well 
as for her characters, is always the best and is always entertaining and fun. 
In addition, I became really angry at TC for his rip offs. At the time he 
made up season 7, I and Dianne had pitched several characters independent of 
each other. What TC would do is take a character, say for example, a 13 year 
old street boy that I made up. He would then take the background, change it A 
LITTLE and change the age to perhaps a 17 year old character. He would then 
introduce HIS character with the 17 year old age and the same background as 
the one I made up and perhaps change the country or the state that the 
character I made up came from. He would introduce this character EARLIER than 
he would introduce my charactor. Now I proposed this NYC street hustler boy 
and he introduced his 17 year old from some other state who found his way to 
NYC earlier. He also began to do this here, this season. For instance, Max, a 
characater who wasn't going anywhere. Max suddenly found his parents were old 
time characters Evergreen and Paul. Well, Dianne already had pitched Mike 
Bell's illegimate son Quince to TC. Quince, a great character (Christian 
Bale) is introduced in season 8, not 7. TC did this again and again. I also 
made my NYC hustler a forerunner of the Time Guardians via a THIRD BREAKOUT. 
You can see where this was used in Cesee, TC's earlier character. I also made 
use of a very young breakout about the age of 5 who was deaf and couldn't 
talk. Well this character would interact kindly and angelically with all the 
characters including the bad guys. TC then took Mikey and reintroduced him to 
the show just to do the same thing. This hijacking didn't restrict itself to 
just the character but to the ACTORS and CASTING IDEAS as well as the 
storylines. It is a shame TC felt he had to do this for some of his stuff 
this season showed greatness above and beyond all he had done before. The 
Soggoth stuff, despite the slowness of coming, was really quite good. The 
BAD: a crossover with BEAUTY AND THE BEAST. It seemed unneeded. I like BEAUTY 
AND THE BEAST a great deal but this story, a typical trial frame up story, 
didn't need Catherine to be in it. Later, I suggested a FRIDAY THE 13TH THE 
SERIES character, the newly young Ryan (now either 9 or 11) breakout and low 
and behold in season 9, there was a FRIDAY THE 13TH crossover which TC took 
credit for. TC was NEVER any good at naming characters: he took names of 
actors, sometimes the actors who played them and made those the names. WORSE: 
he took names of already existing characters and used them again! Thus we had 
two or three Kevins, at least two CCs, and now he makes a Peter arrive. Well, 
Peter was a Time Guardian. Later we will get a Marco and a Marcus, two 
different characters who break out almost at the same time, and a villain 
named Corey while we had a Kory or Cory already as a hero. This kind of 
confusion could have been avoided but wasn't. Another problem I had was with 
the books themselves: the first book in particular just hinted at what 
happened. I had to dig and ask and ask and ask to find out Max's parent's 
identities. You won't find it in the first book. There are also many other 
things that I had to find out and many which I will never which the books 
just hint at but don't fully explain. Later books were better at giving us 
more details. I constantly told him this was needed and he revised the format 
due to my detailed criticisms and advice.  I am still pissed that his hidden 
seasons 10, 11 and 12 were not given to me. I can only guess at what he 
ripped off of me without giving me any credit.      



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: tctp season 7 and my views on TC's ripoffs
Date: 06 Apr 2000 17:46:51 EDT

1988-1989

172-EXPLANATIONS
Members demand an explanation from Stephen as to his whereabouts for the past 
two years. Jeb follows his quest for information on his family. Max and 
Lorraine discover the time storm and realize it is too late to save their 
seven friends caught up in it. Jeff jaunts into the satellite, and promptly 
collapses. Toby remains missing. John gets surprising news from the Trig. Max 
discovers a cat on board the satellite. A young street hustler, Peter Wilson 
(Andrew Kavovit of AS THE WORLD TURNS and later of THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN TV 
SHOW) , is attacked by a gang of punks, and he blows them away using psionic 
energy--he doesn't kill them but they won't risk bothering him, again. 

173-REUNIONS
Heather Shire Fairchild (Catherine Oxenburg) and Amanda Fairchild (Jodie 
Sweetin of FULL HOUSE) come home from the Trig after six years. Jeb makes 
contact with his real mother. Stephen tells about his self imposed exile 
without revealing the secret reason for his return to Earth. Peter breaks out 
in front of a few unexpected witnesses in the New York underground. Trent 
locates an amnesiac Toby in a San Francisco shelter. Max breaks the rules to 
care for the cat he found, as does Trent, but on the sly. TIM discovers the 
true cause of Jeff's frequent radiation attacks. Julia and Daniel hatch new 
plots.

174-DISTINCT INSTINCT
Heather is appalled to find no specialized healers among the TP. Jake and 
Josh continue to try to determine what is changing within themselves. Stephan 
contacts Harry Steen (Kevin Stoney) at the Trig for advice. Julia is 
contacted by a mysterious young CIA agent. Toby is forced to endure a second 
breakout, brought on by his amnesia. Andreas reveals what his plans are 
concerning other Russian psioniks. Stevi freaks when she walks in on an exam 
of Max's cat, surprising Heather and Trent. Amanda spends some 
father/daughter time with John.

175-DEADLY COMBINATION
Max comes before the council for breaking the rules over the cat, who manages 
to surprise everyone. Her name is Samantha (the voice of Juliet Mills) and 
she is an alien telepathic cat. Heather persuades the twins to train as 
healers as Jake's empathy grows stronger. Amanda begins to develop a crush on 
Max, who is none too pleased. A college student named Jeremy Klein (Kris 
Kamm), on an archeological dig in Egypt is felled by sunstroke, with 
dangerous consequences. Daniel discovers the twins' plans. TIM tells Trent 
about Jeff's true condition.

176-PLANS OLD AND NEW
Julia plots to trap Trent, Jake and Josh while at the Trig, with Daniel as 
her inside agent. Chip completes the healing team, at the last moment. 
Stephen asks Tina for her help in infiltrating Julia's stronghold. Evan makes 
plans to return home for awhile. Jeff is told the bad news about his 
condition. Toby is frustrated, unable to remember anything of his past. 
Samantha tells her story. Max tries to ditch Amanda, who tags along wherever 
he goes.  

177-MIND IN THE SUN
Heather, Chip, and the twins leave for training at the Trig, with Daniel an 
unexpected passenger. Jeremy Klein breaks out near Cairo, with Lorraine and 
Trish's help. Jeb questions his identity. Max and Samantha talk scientific 
theories with Amanda, who hopes to gain respect in Max's eyes. Stevi and 
Trish discover an arsonist in their school. Stephen and Tina, attending 
Julia's party in disguise, dig for information. Peter and Jeremy adjust to 
their newfound powers. Stephen is caught by a guard at Julia's while Tina is 
stunned by a mysterious blond named Galloway...Matthew Galloway (William 
Zabka of THE EQUALIZER and BACK TO SCHOOL movie). Tina escapes Galloway, whom 
she leaves in considerable pain.     

178-SO GOES THE RIVER
The twins and Chip undergo a dangerous test to prove they are worthy of being 
healers, while Daniel plots to sabotage their training. Stephen uses his 
spectrashift to escape from Julia before she even knew of his capture. Max 
and Amanda have a long heart to heart talk. Stephen returns to the satellite 
with copies of Julia's files. M'pongold (Dan O'Herlehy) is killed when Daniel 
sabotages the Approach. Chip and the twins discover Daniel, who flees back to 
Earth.

179-THE LONG ROAD BACK
Toby, with help from Max and Professor Cawston, undergoes telepathic hypnosis 
in an attempt to regain his memory. Liz announces her pregnancy. Chip and the 
twins return to the satellite as the official healers of the TP but not 
without some sacrifices. Amanda tells her mother and father she wants a baby 
brother or sister. Stephen visits his parents. Jake and Josh land a major gig 
in a hot LA club. Andreas gets in over his head while on a solo mission. 
Lorraine receives an emergency call for help from the alien Taigar (Rodney 
Helal), a friend of Stephen and Tyso's. 

180-WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE
Stephen returns to the Trig to visit a critically injured Tyso. The twins 
talk Lorraine into singing one of Terry's leftover songs for them. Jeremy and 
Liz have a talk, with Liz getting a major shock when Jeremy reveals his 
nationality...South African. Julia homes in on Trent, who is vacationing in 
the Caribbean. Stephen and Taigar bring Tyso home. Toby makes a major 
breakthrough. Jeff tells Heather the reason he feels so isolated. Max and 
Amanda visit Shirewood.

181-RACE FOR TIME
Toby and Jeb, with Taigar and Heather, work to free Andreas from a secret 
Soviet detention center. Dassie M'bondo (Nichelle Nichols) , Liz's aunt, 
visits her niece at home in Jamaica. John and Heather spend some quiet time 
together. Peter Wilson returns to his old haunts, which could be a mistake. 
Stevi cares for Tyso as Stephen wrestles with his guilt over having left two 
years earlier. Jake and Josh take Lorraine into the recording studio. Jeremy 
and Liz forge the beginnings of a strong team relationship. Jeb makes a final 
decision about his past, while Toby's memory comes completely back. Josh 
tries to find a way to help Jeff.

182-GOODBYE, OLD FRIEND
Jeff comes into the open as he reveals TIM's discovery to the entire 
membership. Jeff comes to terms with having AIDS and all that has happened to 
him since breaking out. He seeks out his parents and tries to forgive his 
father. Toby, Amanda, and the healing team try to come up with a solution for 
Jeff with no avail. Chip fights guilt feelings over the accident that led to 
Jeff's condition, five years earlier. Jeremy has a dream which appears to be 
a vision of the future. Jake, Josh, and Lorraine prepare for the big concert. 
Jeff decides to work things out for himself and leaves the satellite, 
seemingly for good.

183-DEADLY MUSIC
Jake and Josh hit the stage, with Jeremy a backstage guest. Lorraine is also 
a hit. Stephen cannot believe who he sees on the dance floor. Tyso continues 
to recover, with help from Stevi. Cawston asks Heather to help him learn to 
be an assistant to the healing team, which she readily agrees to do so. 
Andreas, torn apart, decides to join Terry and Renny on the Trig, feeling it 
best for everyone concerned. The twins are surprised by their uncle, who has 
come to see them perform, and to ask them for help in his research, and he 
takes Jeremy hostage as leverage. Galloway spots Stephen in the crowd as 
well.       

184-PAST AND PAST
Stephen and Galloway meet on neutral turf. The twins and Jeremy are held 
prisoner by Dr. Matthews, who explains his intentions to Jeremy. Evan's 
search through old family records reveals a secret. Chip and Max discover 
they have guilt in common. Tyso, up and about, feels a gypsy kinship with Max 
but cannot explain why.   

185-WARPATHS
Evan goes to Shirewood for help with his research. This it he family home of 
Heather's family. The twins undergo tests that could leave them dead, while 
Jeremy struggles frantically to find a way to escape. Tyso and Stevi confess 
their mutual attraction. Peter, in his old haunts, is arrested for murder, a 
frame set up by Daniel. An old abandoned TP site on Earth is consumed by 
flames. Jeremy escapes Dr. Matthews, calling desperately for help but 
stumbles on the grounds and tries to find a hiding place, with disastrous 
results. Stephen tells everyone the secret he had kept since his return to 
Earth.

186-HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE
Evan is correct in his assumptions. Max decides to find out once and for all 
who his real parents were or are. John and Stephen return to free the twins 
and scare Dr. Allen Patterson (Russ Tamblyn), while Heather and Chip struggle 
to save Jeremy from the rattlesnake's venom. Galloway officially joins forces 
with Julia. Heather is summoned to a meeting with Jack Hanna, director of 
Columbus, Ohio's zoo, as seen on David Letterman. Toby discovers that psi 
powers destroyed the old earth site. Trent begins to feel a little down. 
Jeremy has another future vision, this one involving something totally evil. 
Peter's arrest is made known to the TP, who come to his aid, while Daniel 
constricts the net around Peter, insuring a conviction and sentence he wants. 
Tyso asks Stevi for her hand in marriage. Tina laments her boring lovelife.  

187-PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK
Peter comes to trial for his alleged murdering of a young policewoman. A 
young observer in the gallery of spectators wears an eerie smile. Daniel 
ensures Peter's conviction with manufactured evidence. Julia and Matt 
Galloway plot to kill Stephen. The jury comes in, with a surprise verdict. 
Stephen visits Jani's grave and visits her parents, making an appalling 
discovery in the process: Jani was the first cousin of Matthew Galloway. 
Heather appears with Jack Hanna on LATE NIGHT WITH DAVID LETTERMAN, with 
hilariously funny results. Peter and Catherine Chandler (Linda Hamilton of 
BEAUTY AND THE BEAST), taking their mind off the upcoming sentencing, take 
the show in from the audience. The judge delivers Peter's sentence, which 
shocks everyone, especially Trent.     

188-DEATH SENTENCE
The Tp rush to save Peter from the electric chair, trying to prove the young 
man innocent. Lorraine and Catherine Chandler meet in hopes of coming up with 
a solution to Peter's predicament. Jeremy's second dream is confirmed, 
leaving him shaken. The mysterious young man from court gallery returns to 
Salem and announces their success--this is Bradley Cain (Harold J Pruett). 
Tyso and Stevi get married and return to the Trig to live.  

189-BACKWARD TURN
The Tp trick Daniel into confessing to the frame, but he escapes before he 
can be caught. Stephen and John discuss Stephen's discovery about Jani's 
family. Jeremy sees a major catastrophe, brought on by a former Tomorrow 
Person, a current Tomorrow Person, and a new Tomorrow Person, helped by a 
being of total evil. Max finds his birth records and cannot believe his eyes. 
Carol calls from the Trig. Peter is officially cleared of the charges against 
him. Galloway and Julia decide on who they want to use as their inside spy.   
 

190-FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE
An unauthorized form jaunting in turns out to be Andrew Forbes, long dead. Or 
thought dead. Galloway kidnaps Jeb. Max asks Tina and Amanda to accompany him 
to meet his real parents. Bradley Cain (Harold P Pruett of TV's THE 
OUTSIDERS) walks a thin line during his resurrection service at the base of 
the Fire Circle. Galloway meets with Cain, whom he controls the mind of. 
Damian Keller (Barrett Oliver of NEVER ENDING STORY I, COCOON, and DARYL) is 
attacked by a teacher while walking home from school. The female teacher 
tries to rape him. Jake, Josh, Toby, Heather and TIM try to discover how 
Andrew Forbes has come back from beyond the grave. (Andrew, at first was 
Soggoth's eyes, he was kept reanimated with energy from Soggoth. Andrew will 
finally make it to Heaven with the help of the late Sir Edward Shire, 
Heather's grandfather and played by Jon Pertwee----from DREAMS OF DESTINY 
where Edward died). 
   
191-PROLOGUE TO ETERNITY
Jeremy wakes up screaming, having seen the end of the world in a dream. 
Damian breaksout while being attacked, crying out for help telepathically 
without knowing it. Josh links with Andrew to find out what is going on. Cain 
strikes again with the help of Galloway and Julia, who does not realize she 
is being used. Steen comes to Earth to ask Stephen some questions. Carol 
(played by Katy Manning! for NO good reason--it should have been Sammie 
Winmill)  sends her middle son, Cesee (Brice Beckham the youngest boy on TV's 
 MR. BELEVEDERE), to Earth, but cannot explain why she thinks it is 
necessary. Cesse joins the community, as does Damian, who is very withdrawn 
because of what happened to him.



192-WHEREFORE ART THOU
Galloway and Cain begin brainwashing Jeb, who is unable to call for help. Max 
is torn between the reasons for his abandonment and his own hurt when he 
meets his mother and father. Josh is injured when Andrew suddenly goes 
berserk. Josh becomes possessed by an unknown force. Cesee tries to adapt to 
life away from the Trig, finding Earth so primitive. Stephen falls into a 
trap set by Cain and Galloway, and is forced to watch as Jeb is brainwashed, 
and in considerable pain. Jeb is mind controlled by Matt Galloway for what 
will be the rest of this "season."

193-REVENGE IS A DISH BEST SERVED IN HELL
Tina, on intuition, risks her life to try and save Stephen. Jake goes through 
agony trying to free Josh from whatever holds him. Damian fills in his 
background for the TP, knowing most of them know of him already via his older 
brother Terry Keller. Cesee and Amanda renew their old friendship. Galloway 
captures Tina. Jeb tries but is unable to resist Galloway's brutal 
treatments. Samantha and her kittens tour the satellite. Jeremy sees the evil 
one in a dream, witnessing an Aztec sacrificial ceremony.  

194-DARKNESS FROM WITHIN
Jeb returns to the satellite, no one knowing Galloway controls him. Stephen 
and Tina are thrust into each other's arms. Galloway discovers what Stephen 
knows about Jani and is outraged. Cain begins proceedings to bring the world 
to its knees. The being possessing Josh reveals its identity. Max gets to 
know his mother--Evergreen (Tyso's sister from SECRET WEAPON) and his 
father---Paul Frazier (from THE DOOMSDAY MEN). Galloway traps Julia for his 
own purposes. 

195-SOGGUTH
The Tp find out they face the devil once again---Soggoth. John sends Max, 
Amanda, and Cesee to Aerie, Arizona to be safe, much to the chagrin of Cesee. 
Here, John has his own fortress home and small private airport. Heather, 
Chip, and Jake try to think of how to help Josh, when Soggoth suddenly flees 
the helpless TP, leaving everyone stunned. Jeb continues to do Galloway's 
bidding aboard the satellite. Stephen is injured while trying to escape 
Galloway. Sogguth sets up shop in Cain's temple.

196-SAVIORS
Josh lies totally mindless in the med. center on the satellite with Heather 
struggling to save him. Sogguth gains more and more power every day. Cesee  
returns to the satellite against John's wishes. Andrew does not believe the 
story of his death. Toby follows Jeb and discovers the Fire Circle's HQ but 
is kayoed by Jeb before he can alert anyone. Jeremy tries dreamscanning to 
help Josh and Jake, guided by TIM. Lorraine goes to the Trig to recruit some 
help in the growing battle against Sogguth. Samantha and Cesee strike up a 
bargain in a partnership. Toby is brutalized by Galloway as Stephen and Tina 
watch helplessly, each unable to help the others.
  
197-ATTACK FORCE: FIRE CIRCLE
Sogguth reaches his full strength and begins to wreak havoc on the Earth, 
causing earthquakes, floods, storms, and volcanic eruptions. Jeremy's attempt 
to help Josh ends up in pain and frustration. Chip joins forces with Cesee 
and Samantha. Evan tries to find out what has happened to Julia. Stephen and 
Galloway duel to a standoff, with a glimmer of hope for the TP captives. The 
Fire Circle, powered by Sogguth, attacks Boston and New York.
 

198-RETREAT TO REGROUP
Lorraine returns from the Trig with Tyso, Tricia Conway, Taigar, and Hawk in 
tow. Tricia remeets Professor George Cawston. Heather decides to try a last 
ditch attempt to reach Josh and save his life. Stephen and Toby come up with 
an escape plan. Sogguth reveals himself  from the world but not by name. Max 
and Amanda head underground to find shelter from the storms that ravage the 
planet. Cesee shows his powers for the first time. Cain is killed by 
Galloway, who seeks to control Sogguth. Evan finds Julia near death, her life 
forces drained by Sogguth and Galloway.  

199-DESTRUCTION
Sogguth continues to devastate the Earth and plans the same for other worlds 
as well. Jeremy, against orders from both Trent and John, jaunts into the 
Fire Circle headquarters for a confrontation with Galloway and Sogguth, and 
is promptly caught. Jeb strikes in the satellite, per Galloway's orders. 
Samantha joins Max and Amanda under Aerie, where they are hiding from the 
storm.

200-ASHES ASHES
Heather is critically injured in a surprise attack by Jeb, who is subdued by 
Hawk and Taigar. Jake fights against the pain to restore the link with Josh. 
Stephen and Galloway have a final battle, with luck and Jeremy's powerful 
illusions on the side of good. Max, Amanda, and Samantha make a shocking 
discovery beneath Aerie, Arizona----a drawing of a young boy's face---the 
face of the Tp's secret weapon against Soggoth---the face of Cesse, Carol's 
young son, who will be one of the fathers of the Time Guardians. Andrew vows 
to stop Soggoth, even if it means dying again. Hawk tries to battle Soggoth 
on his own and is felled for his courageous efforts. He is not dead but 
close. Sogguth takes nearly complete control of the Earth.    

201-WE ALL FALL DOWN
The Earth feels on the verge of breaking apart. Stephen, Jeremy, Tina, and 
Toby face Galloway in a fight to escape. Jeb comes to his master's side, 
courtesy of Sogguth. Heather's condition worsens. Samantha and Max return to 
the satellite with surprising news, while Amanda tries to return but cannot, 
due to the intensity of the storms around Aerie. The Tp device their plan to 
fight Sogguth. Liz goes into labor during an attempt to kill her by an agent 
of the Fire Circle. Stephen and company defeat Galloway, and escape. Samantha 
and Max reveal the identity of the secret weapon they found beneath Aerie. 
Their secret weapon: Cesee: is surprised by the discovery. Samantha reveals a 
secret concerning Heather's condition: Heather is pregnant with twin boys. 
Jeremy, Damian, Andrew, Cesee, Stephen, Toby and Tina prepare for battle at 
Shirewood, while inside the old mansion, Charles Shire (Heather's cousin 
played by Mark Strickson of DOCTOR WHO) and Cawston help Liz to give birth. 
Sogguth bringing Jeb, Galloway and the dead Cain with him, hovers over 
Shirewood, where Jeremy has prepared the containment ceremony. Jeremy turns 
to ask one questions of the others around him, "Are we ready to die? " and 
looks up at the menacing form of Sogguth, who attacks with all his force.  

NOTES ON SEASON 7:

A little boy named Mikey Kevin Holt, played by Christopher Finefrock is also 
in this season. He is the child of TP Kevin Holt and Tp Andrea Barter. Rob 
Stone and Jeff were written out after 11 episodes (a bad move). Credits 
altered accordingly each season. Jeff contracted AIDS through a blood 
transfusion. Characters from STEPHEN AND TYSO reoccur. Andreas Kozloswki 
played by Jonathan Aluzis moved to the spinoff STAR FRONTIERS at midseason. 
LATE NIGHT WITH DAVID LETTERMAN also had David, Calvert Deforrest, Paul 
Shaffer, Will Lee, and Jack Hanna appearing as themselves, another really 
boring idea. Carol appears for three appearances.

SPINOFF CHECKLIST:
STAR FRONTIERS season two
TIMELOST season one

CROSSOVERS with BEAUTY AND THE BEAST and DAVID LETTERMAN.

MY VIEWS ON THIS SEASON AND TC'S RIPOFFS:
Okay here is where TC really started to shine as well as piss me off. 
Dianne's excellent characters and contributions excelled this series from the 
so-so often garbage that it was to a major entertaining event each week. 
Dianne, who received  no credit for her story lines and contributions as well 
as for her characters, is always the best and is always entertaining and fun. 
In addition, I became really angry at TC for his rip offs. At the time he 
made up season 7, I and Dianne had pitched several characters independent of 
each other. What TC would do is take a character, say for example, a 13 year 
old street boy that I made up. He would then take the background, change it A 
LITTLE and change the age to perhaps a 17 year old character. He would then 
introduce HIS character with the 17 year old age and the same background as 
the one I made up and perhaps change the country or the state that the 
character I made up came from. He would introduce this character EARLIER than 
he would introduce my charactor. Now I proposed this NYC street hustler boy 
and he introduced his 17 year old from some other state who found his way to 
NYC earlier. He also began to do this here, this season. For instance, Max, a 
characater who wasn't going anywhere. Max suddenly found his parents were old 
time characters Evergreen and Paul. Well, Dianne already had pitched Mike 
Bell's illegimate son Quince to TC. Quince, a great character (Christian 
Bale) is introduced in season 8, not 7. TC did this again and again. I also 
made my NYC hustler a forerunner of the Time Guardians via a THIRD BREAKOUT. 
You can see where this was used in Cesee, TC's earlier character. I also made 
use of a very young breakout about the age of 5 who was deaf and couldn't 
talk. Well this character would interact kindly and angelically with all the 
characters including the bad guys. TC then took Mikey and reintroduced him to 
the show just to do the same thing. This hijacking didn't restrict itself to 
just the character but to the ACTORS and CASTING IDEAS as well as the 
storylines. It is a shame TC felt he had to do this for some of his stuff 
this season showed greatness above and beyond all he had done before. The 
Soggoth stuff, despite the slowness of coming, was really quite good. The 
BAD: a crossover with BEAUTY AND THE BEAST. It seemed unneeded. I like BEAUTY 
AND THE BEAST a great deal but this story, a typical trial frame up story, 
didn't need Catherine to be in it. Later, I suggested a FRIDAY THE 13TH THE 
SERIES character, the newly young Ryan (now either 9 or 11) breakout and low 
and behold in season 9, there was a FRIDAY THE 13TH crossover which TC took 
credit for. TC was NEVER any good at naming characters: he took names of 
actors, sometimes the actors who played them and made those the names. WORSE: 
he took names of already existing characters and used them again! Thus we had 
two or three Kevins, at least two CCs, and now he makes a Peter arrive. Well, 
Peter was a Time Guardian. Later we will get a Marco and a Marcus, two 
different characters who break out almost at the same time, and a villain 
named Corey while we had a Kory or Cory already as a hero. This kind of 
confusion could have been avoided but wasn't. Another problem I had was with 
the books themselves: the first book in particular just hinted at what 
happened. I had to dig and ask and ask and ask to find out Max's parent's 
identities. You won't find it in the first book. There are also many other 
things that I had to find out and many which I will never which the books 
just hint at but don't fully explain. Later books were better at giving us 
more details. I constantly told him this was needed and he revised the format 
due to my detailed criticisms and advice.  I am still pissed that his hidden 
seasons 10, 11 and 12 were not given to me. I can only guess at what he 
ripped off of me without giving me any credit.      



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs killing
Date: 06 Apr 2000 17:50:01 EDT

Mmmm, killing is killing.

I think if you kill a thing that is not sentient, that is still killing. You 
are doing the act.



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs Killing and The Power of Belief
Date: 06 Apr 2000 17:54:26 EDT

Let's not forgot that Peter was unable to run a spear through Guthran (Gut 
run?) even when Guthrun would have killed him, Stephen and Coatus. "I can't!" 



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From: "Hately, Shaun" <Shaun.Hately@auspost.com.au>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: TPs Killing and The Power of Belief
Date: 07 Apr 2000 10:57:40 +1000 

> From: AgentRacerX@cs.com [mailto:AgentRacerX@cs.com]
>
> I wouldn't worry about it.  Aside from the Tapestry Series, 
> there are very 
> few TP stories detailing earlier lives of the TP.  Most 
> fandoms have all 
> sorts of background stories.  I say we gotta get started at 
> some point.  
> Reading different people's interpretations of characters has 
> always been 
> something I enjoy.

It's not that I am worried about how people might see my interpretations -
it's something else entirely that make me reluctant to post. I'm very aware
that other people's perceptions of characters differ, and not everyone
agrees with mine - but trying to outline John's early life was *very* hard,
and I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable seeing how I did it.

Shaun
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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs Killing and The Power of Belief
Date: 06 Apr 2000 22:20:03 EDT

I would love to see it Shaun!



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: TC to come
Date: 06 Apr 2000 22:20:53 EDT

Here is a glimpse of the future titles of the TC "universe" until it's 
OFFICIAL end in season 9:





1990-1991

238-FROM RUSSIA WITH FEAR
239-JAWS OF THE SHARK
240-TRAINING GROUND
241-BREAKING GROUND
242-INVASION OF THE SOUL
243-REHAB RELAPSE
244-INDEFINATE FUTURES
245-BACK IN THE USSR
246-PAST AQUAINTENCES 
247-INCIDENT IN NEW ORLEANS
248-SHATTERED MINDS
249-TRIAL BY FAN
250-FINAL DEPARTURES
251-VISIONS OF PRETTY MAIDS, ALL IN A ROW
252-THE MOST UNIQUE CHRISTMAS OF ALL
253-SHRINKING SENSATION
254-ORPHAN BY CHOICE
255-FAMILY SECRETS
256-INTERNAL MATTERS
257-A WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING
258-SIREN SONG
259-DEEP IN THE HEART OF CHINA
260-PREMATURE INTERMENT
261-KILKRIE CRY
262-WOUNDS OF THE HEART
263-HAIL TO THE CHIEF
264-FROM NOW UNTIL DOOMSDAY
265-STREET LIFE
266-BACKWARD DEFECTIONS
267-LIFE IN HELL
268-GHOST OF THE PAST
269-IMPOSSIBLE MISSIONS
270-INFILTRATOR
271-FLIGHT TO OBLIVION
272-GEMINI DREAMS
273-SHADES OF ARMEGEDDON


SPINOFF CHECKLIST:

NOTES ON SEASON NINE--THE very LAST official season:




SPINOFFS

STEPHEN AND TYSO

1983 to 1984

1-PERMANENT VACATION
2-BLUE ICE
3-FROM THE MIST OF TIME
4-MISSION: DEADLY
5-WHERE BUZZARDS MEET
6-POISON ARROW
7-REVOLUTION
8-LOVESICK BLUES
9-SCENES FROM A DREAM
10-BLIND LUCK
11-VAGRANT
12-A MATTER OF POLICY
13-PLANET OF PARADISE
14-SOMEWHERE OUT THERE
15-PROPOSED PLANS
16-WORKS IN PROGRESS
17-DOUBLE CROSS
18-STANDING ALONE
19-PROBLEMS SOLVED
20-MASTER OF MINDS
21-FOREGONE CONCLUSION
22-MAKING UP FOR LOST TIME
23-THE LINK
24-DEADLY TERROR

1984 TO 1985

25-DEVESTATION
26-THE HORNS OF TAIGAR
27-KOLAR'S FOLLY
28-INVESTIGATIVE TACTICS
29-SENSITIVE INFORMATION
30-MEETING TERMS
31-DENIAL
32-FOLLOWING ORDERS
33-PAST ATTACK
34-COUNCIL ONE, EARTHERS ZERO
35-NO TURNING BACK
36-FAST TRACK
37-CHANGE OF VENUE
38-IN THE SHADOW OF A HAWK
39-BEST MAN WINS
40-COMING FROM A FAR PLACE
41-FROM WITHIN...
42-WARNING BELL
43-A SIGN FROM ABOVE SHALL BE AS SWEET
44-A CURRENT AFFAIR
45-TIL THE END OF ETERNITY
46-DEADLY ENCOUNTER

1985-1986
47-HEALING TOUCH
48-HEALING HAWK
49-CONTROLLED COLORING
50-POSSESSION
51-OVERMIND OBITUARY
52-HAWK'S HEART
53-IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE
54-MED ALERT
55-OLD TIES
56-FROM THE MOUTHS OF BABES
57-BACK HOME AGAIN
58-FAR FROM CIVILIZATION
59-PAST PLANE
60-HOWEVER MANY THRE ARE, THERE ARE NEVER ENOUGH
61-STEPHEN'S QUEST
62-WHAT'S GOING ON?
63-CENTER OF THE WELL
64-ARIK'S PLANS
65-ESCAPE FROM YESTERDAY
66-BACKTRACK
67-DRIFTING
68-FINAL SPLIT


STARTEAM FOUR---aka STEPHEN AND TYSO 4 
Winter of 1986

69-BATTLE ROYALE
70-FROM THE ENDS OF THE GALAXY
71-MIND WARP
72-THE POWERS THAT BE
73-CARBON COPY
74-FROM WHENCE THEY CAME



TIME  GATE

1983 to 1984

1-INRODUCTIONS
2-WHERE EVER THEY MAY FALL
3-KEEPER OF THE OCEAN
4-FOLLIES GALACTIC
5-LONG MAY THEY WAVE
6-RENEGADE
7-ERIK THE WRONG
8-FANTASTIC JOURNEY
9-HOLD AN OLD FRIEND'S HAND
10-PEACY KEEN
11-TEMPEST
12-ROME FREE
13-BACKWARD BOUNCE
14-DEBUT NIGHT
15-NOW AND THEN
16-TO BE CONTINUED


1984 TO 1985

17-TO EACH HIS OWN
18-FOLLOW YOUR DESTINY
19-BACK TO MARCAL
20-DEFINATE CIRCUMSTANCES
21-PAST LIVES
22-DEAD AND BURIED
23-CONTINUATIONS
24-DAIMAL
25-ON EARTH
26-RESCUE
27-WHERE TO NOW
28-FREEZING ZONE
29-A WAY TO GO
30-FOREVER COMES ETERNITY
31-KERCHON
32-BACK HOME
33-LOST AND FOUND

 
1985 TO 1986

34-THE RETURN
35-WARP HOLE
36-WAY BACK WHEN
37-ANDANTE QO
38-TRACKING ERROR
39-FRIENDLY ENCOUNTER
40-PLANET POWER
41-FALLING FAST
42-WORKING TITLE



POINT OF NO RETURN

Jan to June 1984

1-FROM THE STARS
2-IN THE GARDEN
3-BALANCE OF POWER
4-FORTRESS OF EVIL
5-DANGEROUS TREK
6-TRAPDOOR
7-FALSE ECHO
8-CYCLONE
9-TWO STORIES  DOWN
10-RESCUE PARTY
11-ON THIS SIDE OF LIFE
12-PASSIVE RESISTANCE
13-FURY
14-MEDICINE MAN
15-SEE NO EVIL

Sept 1984 to 1985

16-ARRIVAL
17-BUGOUT
18-POST MORTEUM
19-HOT PEPPERS
20-SPRINGS UNDERGROUND
21-LIBERATION DAY
22-BARGAINS
23-BLOW-UP
24-REVOLT OF ARIE
25-BACK  FROM THE DEAD
26-POSSESSION
27-MISSING MEN
28-SEARCH PARTY
29-BACKTRACK
30-MAGICAL BONDAGE
31-DOWN AND DIRTY
32-EXCHANGE OF LIVES
33-MURDER PLOT
34-EARTH BOUND
35-THERE IS NOTHING LIKE A WOMAN SCORNED
36-SUMMONS
37-BACK HOME AGAIN

1985 TO 1986

38-RESURRECTION
39-FLIGHT OF FANCY
40-TRIAL BY FIRE
41-BRITTION'S  FOLLY
42-OVERHEARD
43-FOLLOW THE DOG
44-POWER OF THE SPHERE
45-FROM THE DIARY OF A PREMIER'S SON
46-PATTERNS OF FORCE
47-DEADLY DAWN
48-TAUNTS ARE PAINFUL
49-POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS
50-FALSE FRONT
51-SLAUGHTER
52-A DAY IN HELL
53-PARTIAL BLUEPRINT
54-POWER TO THE PEOPLE
55-A WOMAN'S FURY
56-POWER STRUGGLE
57-HAUNTED
58-POP FLY
59-BACK FROM OBLIVION

Feb 1987-during the New TP season five

60-PART ONE
61-PART TWO
63-PART THREE
64-PART FOUR  



GROUND ZERO

Feb 1985

1-HOMECOMING
2-PLOTLINES
3-FAR FROM OVER
4-TRACKED DOWN
5-DAMSEL IN DISTRESS
6-SHOWDOWN


1985 TO 1986

7-ALL OVER AGAIN
8-WHERE IS THE NIGHT
9-TACTICAL DISADVANTAGE
10-RED SKY AT MORNING
11-BACK TWO SQUARES
12-DANGEROUS SITUATIONS
13-PREPARATIONS
14-ARMED
15-SHOWDOWN
16-GOING HOME


STAR FRONTIERS

Jan to Sept 1988

1-TRAINING SESSIONS
2-GROUND CONTROL
3-INSIDE AGENT
4-WHERE TOMORROW PEOPLE FEAR TO TREAD
5-REVOLT
6-WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE
7-FARM TEAM
8-FEELINGS OF GUILT
9-RETURN TO TOMORROW
10-FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY
11-MAKING AMENDS
12-CHECKMATE
13-SUDDEN SQUALL
14-POWER OUTAGE
15-DEADLY SUNSET


1988 to 1989

16-FUTURE TENSE
17-CHILDHOOD'S END
18-SEASONS CHANGE
19-SEVERED TIES
20-TIME OF ARRIVAL
21-FORCIBLE ENTRY
22-SAFETY IN  NUMBERS
23-VISIONS OF THE PAST
24-PASSION FLOWER
25-GENETIC MUTATION
26-PEACE ACCORDS
27-FAR AWAY POINT
28-SCHOOL OF HARD KNOCKS
29-VIOLATION OF TRUST
30-PLANET OF DESERT
31-THE REAL MCCOY
32-RELATIONSHIPS OF PAST AND PRESENT
33-CAPTIVE AUDIENCE
34-IMPASSE
35-SHIFTING TIDE
36-BACKFIRE
37-DOUBLECROSS
38-BATTLE LINES
39-SURROUNDING AREA

1989 TO 1990

40-A PRICE TOO HIGH
41-DISTANT SHORE
42-FROM ON HIGH
43-NEMESIS OF LIGHT
44-AMOEBA
45-A STUDY IN SPIDRON
46-ELECTRIC BLUE
47-LIKE ICE
48-EVIL IN THE MIST
49-OLD ENEMIES
50-TUNNELVISION
51-OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE
52-ANXIOUSNESS
53-MYSTIC ALLIANCE
54-MAGIC SECRETS
55-INFINITE WISDOMS
56-THE SWEET TASTE OF AMBROSIA
57-DEJA VIEW
58-INVICTUS
59-AD INFINITUM
60-QUESTIONNAIRE
61-IN CASE OF FIRE, YELL FOR HELP
62-WATCH  FOR FALLING RUSSIANS
63-FROM THE OUTSIDE
64-TURNING THE TABLES
65-COSMIC CONNECTION
66-FALLING STAR
67-DOWN IN THE PITS  

1990 to 1991

68-REVERSAL OF JUSTICE
69-DEADLY CAVERNS
70-OF MEDICINE AND LAW
71-MOONLIGHT ON WATER
72-FRAGILE FRIENDSHIPS
73-BATTLE IN A DREAMSCAPE
74-INNER SOUL
75-ASK AND YE SHALL RECEIVE
76-PRISONER OF CIRCUMSTANCE
77-BIT BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU
78-MYSTIC PLACES
79-DUPLICATE LOVES
80-VOYAGES
81-MEMORIES OF HER
82-THE FUTURE TELLS ALL
83-DOMESTIC CRISIS
84-REVENGE OF ONESELF
85-QUESTIONS BUT NO ANSWERS
86-NO PEACE AND TRANQUILITY HERE
87-FREEZING
88-FIELDS OF FIRE
89-LAVA POWER
 

THE TRAVELS OF TOBY LLWELLYN

Summer 1988

1-ALONE IN THE WORLD
2-I'LL FIND MY WAY HOME
3-IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE
4-OKLAHOMA BOUND
5-HOME PLATE
6-WHEREVER I LAY MY HAT
7-DAY OF RECKONING
8-POSITIVE IDENTIFICATION
9-INNER QUEST
10-SEEING THE TRUTH
11-CENTER OF IT ALL

TIMELOST

1988 to 1989

1-TIMELOST
2-PTERYDACTYL
3-EMERGE AND SEE
4-TOO EARLY TO TELL
5-TO THE BATTLE
6-MAGNA CARTA
7-WIZARDS AND WITCHES
8-MYSTIC ANSWERS
9-WAR OF WANDS
10-GATEWAY
11-THE BRITISH ARE COMING
12-GIVE ME LIBERTY OR BUST
13-SHELTER FROM THE STORM
14-DISCOVERIES
15-ESCAPE FROM THE GALLOWS
16-BACKWARD TURN
17-FORWARD MARCH
18-CHALLENGE TO A DUEL
19-FAR FROM ROME
20-CAVE OF ENCHANTMENT
21-GATEWAY TWO
22-DESERT THE DESERT
23-BURNING OASIS
24-CHANGES
25-FALL FROM GRACE
26-ARRIVAL


1989 TO 1990

27-THE LONG ROAD HOME
28-AMONG OLD FRIENDS
29-CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES
30-BRANDISHING BLAME
31-DEMON FROM THE DEPTHS
32-SACRIFICES MADE
33-TEA IN CAIRO
34-MYSTIC SYMBOLS
35-CHANGE OF VENUE
36-HERE COMES THE SUN
37-WHITE RABBIT
38-STARRY STARRY NIGHT
39-TALKIN' BOUT MY GENERATION
40-UNIVERSAL UNDERGROUND
41-UNNATURAL OCCURANCES
42-NO TOMORROW PEOPLE BEFORE THEIR TIME
43-OUTLAWS IN  THE FOREST
44-RISE UP
45-THE FAIRCHILD LEGACY
46-YOU'VE GOTTA BE IN PICTURES
47-TOMORROW PEOPLE FOLLIES OF 1935
48-THE SAFE HOUSE
49-NO EXIT
50-THE GALLIFREYIAN CONNECTION
51-NOT QUITE MATRIX MATERIAL
52-TIME IS TIME IS TIME AGAIN
53-GUARDIANS 0, LORDS 1
54-HERE LIES ETERNITY-1 hour special

1990 TO 1991

55-TIMEFALL
56-VOLVOX
57-ESSENCE OF BEING
58-WAR IN INFINITY
59-BEGINNING OUT OF SYNC
60-INNOCENCE LOST
61-SCATTERED TO DUST
62-THE DOCTOR IS IN
63-MISTAKES IN TIME
64-AN EARLY PAST
65-AN INOPPORTUNE TIME TO GO TRAVELLING
66-HALL OF DISRUPTED TIME
67-FRINGE ELEMENTS
68-TIME AND TARDIS WILLING
69-SURPRISE ANNOUNCEMENT
70-NUPIALS ARE NOT PERFECT
71-AN IMPROPER SITUATION
72-TIME IS AS TIME REMAINS
73-HALL OF PAST
74-ATTACK FROM BEYOND TIME
75-TIME DEVASTATED
76-CRUCIFIXION OF TIME --90 min special

 HEART OF A HEALER

June 1990

1-DOCTOR COLLINS, I PRESUME
2-INTO EACH LIFE A LITTLE RAIN MUST FALL
3-THE GOOD GUYS ALWAYS WIN
4-RITE OF PASSAGE
5-WHERE ONLY AN ANGEL CAN SURVIVE
6-I'M GONNA LIVE FOREVER
7-QUEST FOR HOME
8-DOWN UNDER
9-FOREVER AMBER
10-SEEING IS BELIEVING
11-FLAGSTAFF FIRE

1990 TO 1991

12-A TEST OF WILLS
13-RETURN ENGAGEMENT
14-INNOCENT DECISIONS
15-ILLEGAL ALIENS

HOMEWORLD
November 1990 to 1991

1-IMMIGRATIONS
2-TALES FROM THE STONES
3-BREAKING TRAINING
4-HOMELINK


SHARONNA SHORES
1990 to 1991

1-BACK HOME AGAIN
2-INCIDENT IN THE CASTLE
3-MORE HOLY THAN THOU
4-CALLINGS

SOLO FLIGHTS
1990 to 1991

1-VIVIENNE: HOME AGAIN
2-CHARLES AND KIM: LINKS
3-PETER AND JUSTY: ADVENTURES IN MICRO-LAND
4-DAVY: SCENES FROM THE HEART


HAWK AND FRIENDS
1990 to 1991

1-INHERIT THE EARTH
2-ROTTEN ROT
3-OCEANS AHOY
4-NUCLEAR TERROR
5-WHEN HEARTS FAIL
6-COUNTRY UNDER FIRE
7-INSIDE EVIL
8-NESSIE, QUEEN OF THE SEAS
9-A HOUSE IS NOT A DUMP
10-"S" STANDS FOR "SLIMEY"
11-WALKING THE DOG
12-ANYONE FOR A GOOD WASTE?
13-PLANKTON EIGHT
14-PLANET'S EDGE
15-CENTRE OF THE EARTH


THE RUSSIAN DOZEN
Summer 1990

1-INTERGRATION
2-THE FIRST MONTH
3-HAVEN
4-DANGEROUS GROUND
5-INNERVISION
6-OPEN SKIES
7-IN TRAINING
8-VIOLATIONS
9-FROM THE BEGINNING
10-INFINITE COMBINATIONS
11-DANGER FROM THE INSIDE ---Two Hours


 




THE TOMORROW PEOPLE ANIMATED SERIES

1983 to 1984

1-MIX UP
2-A RIFT IN TIME-TAKE TWO
3-WHERE DO ALIENS COME FROM DADDY?
4-FUTURE SIGHT
5-SIXTH SENSE
6-KULTON WORLD
7-SKYWARD BOUND
8-INSIDE EDITION
9-ALIBIS
10-SEVENTEEN IS A DEADLY AGE
11-ANNIVERSARY
12-DEADLY RIDE
13-INNERSOUL


THE TOMORROW PEOPLE-DREAMS OF DESTINY-

THE TOMORROW PEOPLE-JEDKIAH'S REVENGE-June 1983

THE TOMORROW PEOPLE-RETURN OF THE DOOMSDAY MEN-Feb 1985

STEPHEN AND TYSO: THE ARMEGEDDON FACTOR-December 1985



AERIE
December 1990 to May 1991

1-GOD BLESS THE CHILD
2-GIRLS NIGHT OUT
3-FLIGHT OF THE DIDJERY DOO
4-SECRETS IN THE CLOSET


COAST TO COAST
December 1990 to May 1991

1-THE RICHER THEY ARE
2-MIND YOUR MIND
3-BEHIND THE WALL
4-SENDING ALL MY LOVE

       



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From: Tony Nolan <t.nolan@uts.edu.au>
Subject: TPDIS: An Australian TP question
Date: 07 Apr 2000 13:14:37 +1000


Hello,

Does any one remember when the original series was played, on channel 7 i
believe, there was a sci fi program that had an Space ARK in it.

Does any one know what it was called.

cheers
tony



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From: "Hately, Shaun" <Shaun.Hately@auspost.com.au>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: An Australian TP question
Date: 07 Apr 2000 13:16:42 +1000 

> From: Tony Nolan [mailto:t.nolan@uts.edu.au]
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Does any one remember when the original series was played, on 
> channel 7 i
> believe, there was a sci fi program that had an Space ARK in it.
> 
> Does any one know what it was called.

Battlestar: Galactica was on around (as was its sequel series, Galactica
1980) the time and sort of fits. Beyond that, I can't remember much (-8

Shaun
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From: Ana Isabel Sacristan <asacrist@mail.cinvestav.mx>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Power of Belief - TP killing
Date: 06 Apr 2000 01:45:54 -0600

TP killing: If the killing barrier applied to all life forms, where would
the line be drawn?

Members of the Jain religion in India would not kill ANYTHING, which meant
they would cover their mouths as to not kill any microbes they might breath
in, they would sweep the floor in front of them as to not step on any ants
or other bugs, they would not even pick an apple from a tree: they would
wait for it to fall off, as even plant life is still life. Very
unpractical!! No wonder they are almost extint.

I therefore tend to agree that the TP primer barrier only applies to humans
or highly intelligent sentient beings, and that any other "inner
resistance" TP may feel towards killing other life forms is more a matter
of choice, belief, and respect for that lifeform.

It may sound a bit absurd -- or maybe it is just the TP in me :)  -- but
sometimes I find it very hard to kill even the ugliest bug: I do do it if I
have to, of course, but it is not always easy: I always feel I have to
apologise to the bug if I kill it. Even with flowers, if I pick one I try
to ask for its permission. As to animals, I am a vegetarian, but I would
not hesitate to kill an animal to put it out of suffering, or if there was
no other food, or if I really needed to defend myself (from an animal. With
human beings I tend to think I would rather let myself be killed than to
kill someone, although one never knows how one would act in such
situation). It is a matter of choice and belief, of course, not to kill
life, but only as long as it is practical.

If the TP, like the Jain, would not kill any life, it would be practically
impossible to live on. That is why I believe the prime barrier can only
apply to humans or other such sentient beings. 

Anyway, those are my thoughts.

--Ana




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From: jane starr <starr@planet.eon.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs killing
Date: 07 Apr 2000 00:40:04 -0600

At 08:26 AM 06/04/00 -0700, you wrote:
>>Well, I'm with Tigger.  I've always believed that the no-kill rule applied
>>to sentient beings, which might be stretched to cetaceans, depending on how
>>high you rate them (so long, and thanks for all the fish...) and maybe
>>higher primates.  Also the white mice, but that's another story ;)
>White mice and rats only if they've come from NIMH.  :-)

I was thinking of the ones which are the representation in this reality of 
the hyper-intelligent pan-dimensional beings who were searching for the 
question that would make sense of the answer to the Ultimate Question of 
Life, The Universe, and Everything :)


>Sentience is a pretty hard thing to classify.  You can't really ask the 
>animal.  How 'high' of a primate does it take?  Lemurs are *extremely* 
>bright - does that make them sentient?  How about octupus?  They're 
>amazingly intelligent - *HUGE* brains - but are they sentient?  They make 
>for an odd study as in evolutionary terms they are further back in 
>development than *all* vertebrates.  Kind of spooky.
>
>So how would the TPs be able to tell sentience?  Sentient animals give off 
>a telepathic vibe?
>I don't know.  Seems hard to draw the line anywhere.  Obviously the new 
>series could kill mosquitoes.  And the Old Series TPs could hunt and fish.

Nobody eats lemurs, do they?  Eeeuw.  I thought it was habitat destruction 
that was wiping them out. I have to admit, I've never eaten octopus but 
squid are very nice if prepared properly, so maybe octopus is too (gee it's 
been a long time since we went for dim sum...)

The question is moot, anyway, unless the animal in question is immediately 
dangerous (as in attacking right then) or for food.  The likelihood of most 
common food animals being sentient is not especially high and they can 
easily supply all the meat and byproducts a society requires.  Unlikely the 
TP would consider killing a lemur or a dolphin or anything else for fun or 
fur, sentient or not.  Maybe that's my own bias talking though.  I think 
hunting, except for food, is an abomination, and even for food is iffy in 
most places.

Jane


Jane Starr			starr@planet.eon.net
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
check out the ON SPEC web page at www.icomm.ca/onspec/
and 2001: A Book Odyssey - The Strathearn School Millennium Project at 
www.icomm.ca/strath2k/




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From: jane starr <starr@planet.eon.net>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: An Australian TP question
Date: 07 Apr 2000 00:59:19 -0600

At 01:16 PM 07/04/00 +1000, you wrote:
> > From: Tony Nolan [mailto:t.nolan@uts.edu.au]
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Does any one remember when the original series was played, on
> > channel 7 i
> > believe, there was a sci fi program that had an Space ARK in it.
> >
> > Does any one know what it was called.

Sounds like The Starlost.  One of the cheesiest efforts ever, and (shudder) 
Canadian made, although it was Harlan Ellison's idea.  He was so appalled 
at how it turned out that he used the name "Cordwainer Bird" in the credits 
instead of his own.  Starred Keir Dullea, Robin Ward, and  Gay Rowna.  They 
were on a giant space ark, with different habitat domes, and they moved 
from dome to dome each episode.  They had a talking computer, too.

Try a web search for "Starlost" and I bet you come up with some more 
detailed info than I can dredge up.

Jane



Jane Starr			starr@planet.eon.net
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
check out the ON SPEC web page at www.icomm.ca/onspec/
and 2001: A Book Odyssey - The Strathearn School Millennium Project at 
www.icomm.ca/strath2k/




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From: "David_M_Yates" <David_M_Yates@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPs Killing and The Power of Belief
Date: 07 Apr 2000 13:57:51 +0100





>
>It's not that I am worried about how people might see my interpretations -
>it's something else entirely that make me reluctant to post. I'm very aware
>that other people's perceptions of characters differ, and not everyone
>agrees with mine - but trying to outline John's early life was *very* hard,
>and I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable seeing how I did it.

I would like to see this too Shaun, but only as and when you're comfortable
with posting it.

David






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From: AgentRacerX@cs.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Power of Belief - TP killing
Date: 07 Apr 2000 15:25:37 EDT

I've noticed that this whole debate could be resolved with greater ease were 
it not for Adam's line about the shark attack.  One of the easiest ways of 
getting around it that I thought of is that he just froze.  If *you* were 
swimming and you see a large, potentially dangerous creature preparing to 
take a big bite out of your side, isn't it conceivable that you'd be too 
scared to do anything?

Also, it's possible that where animals are concerned there's the same 
instinct not to kill, but it's not as strong.  This could have contributed to 
what I mentioned above.

-Nicole



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From: "David_M_Yates" <David_M_Yates@email.msn.com>
Subject: TPDIS: All this TC stuff
Date: 07 Apr 2000 22:27:41 +0100


A question from the uninitiated.........


     These fascinating summaries of TC's series that we have been reading
for the last few weeks, were they ever made into proper books, or fan-fics.
If they were, are they still available or are these summaries all that we
have?

"Live long and prosper....."

David.





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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: An Australian TP question
Date: 07 Apr 2000 17:57:35 EDT

There was a show called ARK II but that wasn't a space ark. It was in the 
future of Earth.

Another show with a HUGE space ARK was THE STARLOST. Made in the early to mid 
70s a kind of MOD SQUAD IN SPACE, it featured travels through the domes of a 
space ark on a collision course. Civilizations of all kinds were in each 
dome. It was pretty interesting besides being kind of hokey in the FX dept. 
Keir Dullea was in it from 2001. I am sure I spelled his name wrong. 



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: An Australian TP question
Date: 07 Apr 2000 17:58:13 EDT

There was also a sci fic juvenile/teen soap opera on in England I think. I 
don't know if it was on in England and I cannot recall the name but I will 
research it if you want. 



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: TC stuff and explanations
Date: 07 Apr 2000 18:21:57 EDT

The books were made but not into full stories. They were summaries. As far as 
I know there were three books. The first did the brief summaries up to season 
7. Then there was a bigger book, season 8, which I think was the best. Season 
9's book was HUGE and not too bad either. However, some of the storylines 
were heading in really dull directions and the spinoffs took a turn for the 
worst. Others on the list seem to think that there were seasons 10 to 12 too 
but TC, often witholding things from people he didn't think should get them 
(even if they paid or donated storylines) often didn't send them to the 
people who should have gotten them. Often he did this because they might see 
that he stole their characters or stories. Almost none of these were fully 
written out, in fact, there might have been one, a STARMAN crossover (a 
really boring one), that TC wrote out fully under one of his aliases. I think 
this zine is long out of print. Dianne uses her characters Heather and Amanda 
and others in her excellent stories but these are not really adaptations of 
the stories in the TC universe. The synopsises in books 2 and 3 were much 
longer. TC didn't trust himself in his writing the full lengths. He should 
have as he wasn't that bad and was improving all the time. Instead, he wrote 
"scenes" which he only passed around to certain people and in addition, he 
often lifted  ideas almost totally and disguised them as his own in clever 
ways and some not so clever. The books I have no idea if he sells any more 
but I doubt it. He seems to be out of TP fandom. Apparently after he and I 
split over what he calls creative differences (his ripping off of my 
characters and ideas and his messing my stories into his own), he withdrew 
totally from me, despite attempts to renew a friendship. He even disguised 
his voice as a female on the phone. TC often wanted to hook up with a female 
writing partner, going from one to the other until he found one he could 
marry. Each female was catered to until they showed some disapproval at some 
of what he did. Then he supposedly found one and to marry and did. After 
this, he seemed to offer life time memberships to people and took more money, 
then just vanished. I think in between all this, the IRS sought him out and 
one of his female "finds", a writer, threatened to sue him (since it was all 
fan fic, I don't think she really had a leg to stand on). I can imagine him 
continuing the series and not letting the TP fans know about it, only "close" 
pals. He seemed to use male friends more in a negative way. It could have 
something to do with his dad. I mean if you look at the fiction, there are 
lots of dads and brothers who are villains and who are using their sons in 
bad ways. This might have something to do with reality. Anyway, I am posting 
what I can of the books and the universe to share with those who do not have 
them or do not have a way to get them and would like to read about them. I 
also have some notes about Season 10 as TC plannned it.

I also wrote my characters into over 20 plus full length novels. I am 
considering posting them. I have posted MANY at SciFicGate but I am not happy 
with the formatting. I may still post them there. Some are rated G, some PG, 
some R, and some might just be considering X with some scenes in there. I may 
take the R versions or PG versions of those by removing the X scenes. One is 
notoriously violent and should be X just from violence alone. I don't think 
it would be as strong with the violence out of it. That one, OBLIGATIONS, 
also ends the spinoff TIME GATE. It was permitted by TC that I end that 
storyline. Afterwards, a lot of tension built up over that story. TC hated 
it, couldn't tell me, then he later said it was a masterpiece once he sat 
down and read (or reread--it was hard to tell with him) it. TC, I think, 
might have been jealous of my being able to write full length stories while 
he only wrote synopsises. I also didn't feel the need, after a time, to get 
bogged down by casting (while intially casting helped me expand my 
characters), air dates, and all that went along with pretending it was a real 
TV series. To me, it limited lots of things and the constant crossovers were 
a pain in the neck. After a bit, TC threw everything he could to stop me from 
doing what I wanted to do in stories that he was told about ahead of time and 
when he saw eacxh story, he liked them and approved just about all of them. 
Yet he had to split them for his "show" and that I understood. There is more 
but I hate to rehash even more of it. It was a bad time for me and TC made it 
worse than anyone ever could. 

At the same time as all this, TC constantly promised and couldn't deliver. He 
kept saying he was a real publisher who would publish books of all sorts 
about TV shows. I sent him an approved LAND OF THE GIANTS synopsis for every 
episode and spinoff of the show, one that I still have copies of. He never 
did a thing with it and hardly even commented on it, besides saying he wasn't 
a fan. Yet he promised his "publishing" company would use it. TC was a bit 
delusional and unstable as well...I really couldn't figure him out at all at 
the time and only thought his ideas of expanding the TP and getting the 
rights...as he tried to do...would have been wonderful. Agani, the promises 
went on and he continued to make more. 



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From: Tony Nolan <t.nolan@uts.edu.au>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: An Australian TP question
Date: 08 Apr 2000 08:27:57 +1000



Thank you

StarLOST appears to be the right progeam i was thinking of.

regards
tony




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From: "Shaun Hately" <drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: TPDIS: TC Kirkham
Date: 08 Apr 2000 08:38:55 +1000

OK - stepping in here as assistant list admin.

Please be very careful in discussing TC Kirkham - talking about him in
connection to TP fandom is fine and perfectly on-topic. Opinions on what he
did included - but speculation on his mental state is going a bit too far.
It is necessary to ask people to be careful about this topic as there are
potential legal issues involved - what seems to you a harmless statement,
may cause hassles for others.

Shaun




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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: All this TC stuff pt 2
Date: 07 Apr 2000 18:49:54 EDT

I have written what stories I could and these stories were to be 
"incorporated" into TC's season ten.

They are (full stories) :

THE STORY OF ROLLIN
RELEASE
THE MEDUSA MONSTER
RECONCILIATION
BACK TO THE ATTIC
RETURN TO RIGORA
HAUNTED INSIDE-which features Jake or Josh's baby being a telpathic ghost
PARALLEL- a universe with the Tp being just a TV show
FACING THE TRIAD
MISSING LINKS-during a mildly warm Jan. 1991, begins Jan. 2-
OBLIGATIONS-
CATCH ME NOW I'M FALLING 
COME AND GO-murder at reservation---Jan. 22-Feb. 11--seven or more storylines
ALL HANDS BELOW DECK-Tp boys, Rico on Marcus yacht--June-short story 
RUBOWSKI'S SCARE-Rico, Roll, Borj time travel to Rubwoski-August-short story


There are also three short stories about Borj's DRIVING TEST and the first of 
Rollin's  suicide attempt---REFLECTIONS THROUGH A GLASS DARKLY.


I also wrote some with the original series cast:

A CHANGE OF SIDES-Mike has just joined, an Odin universe story about TP 
killing
THE PHANTOM OF CALIFORNIA-a TP story with the original cast post series
SUMMONS-Hsue Tai and Mike in Japan, meet her grandfather and a TP whale  




The timeline with my characters and their stories is:

THE STORY OF ROLLIN-Kulthans, Kremlon, David Banner, Rollin's first 2 
breakouts  
ROLLIN GETS HEALING AND RAISING THE DEAD-Feb. 15 (Quince visits)
SHORT BOXERS-Feb. 16 
ACTS OF REBELLION-Feb. 20 
RELEASE-April 3--April 23-Easter Week-Rico out of attic
CARRIER OF THEY-April 28 
THE MEDUSA MONSTER-May 1-May 30-Panta breaks out, giant medusa 
RECONCILIATION-Rico, Marette on island--May 31-June 4
BACK TO THE ATTIC-Marco, Rico face fear of attic-June 10-June 14
RETURN TO RIGORA-Zayton creature--June 20-June 26
HAUNTED INSIDE-unborn baby haunts a TP and fiance-June 28-June 30 
PARALLEL-July 4-July 9-Rico in TP on TV universe    
FACING THE TRIAD  (Borj, then Je'ne break out, Marsha-14 appears)-  July 11-
TELEPATHIC TURNCOATS  (Landen-13 breaks out, Borj turns 15) August  29-
REFLECTIONS THROUGH A GLASS DARKLY-Rollin tries suicide---August 1 
A RIFT IN FRIENDSHIPS-Je'ne, Rico to TV universe-August 2-August 12
CHILD OF A GREATER CAUSE (Kalven-5 breaks out)-August 13-August 16
YOUR FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD....?-5 evil police, Chad, Rigora, begins      
ROLLIN: RAIDER OF THE LOST ADDRESS-Sept. 1-
    NOT A DESSERT, JUST DISGUSTING-Amazon, Borj, natives
    PEACE, COME BACK THIS DAY-Amazon, gorillas, piece 1, Borj
    BURIED ALIVE OR DEAD-Borj, Marette, Garner, Egypt, Sahara,      piece 2
    SNAKING AROUND UNDERGROUND-Naga, Garner-Marette, piece 3
    A MOUNTAIN OF MYTH-Siberia, Tangord, piece 4
    COMFORTS OF HOME-Seattle, Kurt's uncle, piece 5, Viet vets
    PHANTOM OF NIAGARA FALLS-Marsha, Chad, piece 6, Rico
    BASE OF THE IDOL-Akerio, Xion, piece 7, China, Great Wall
    DISCO DEAD-teen disco, Triad, piece 8
    HOME AT LAST-(Marsha revealed as Rollin's sister), Enza
DISTURBING THEIR DEATH-aliens in pyramid Sept. 15 
THE LAST AND FINAL CHANGE OF SIDES-Odin-Morgana-Sept. 20-Oct. 31
THE DEATH OF RICO?-Russians capture Rico & Marsha--Nov.
RICO'S FIRST CHRISTMAS-Dec. 23-26
RICO'S SESSION WITH KELLY-Jan. 1-short story
MISSING LINKS-during a mildly warm Jan. 1991, begins Jan. 2-
OBLIGATIONS-
CATCH ME NOW I'M FALLING 
COME AND GO-murder at reservation---Jan. 22-Feb. 11--seven or more storylines
ALL HANDS BELOW DECK-Tp boys, Rico on Marcus yacht--June-short story 
RUBOWSKI'S SCARE-Rico, Roll, Borj TT to Rubwoski-August-short story


I also wrote some with the original series cast:

A CHANGE OF SIDES-Mike has just joined, an Odin universe story about TP 
killing
THE PHANTOM OF CALIFORNIA-a TP story with the original cast post series
SUMMONS-Hsue Tai and Mike in Japan, meet her grandfather and a TP whale


If all this wasn't enough I also have a series about Soggoth's reluctant 
demi-human son, Seth; a large group of several alternate worlds based on the 
TP characaters and my other characters--about 100 or more; Sap characters' 
series; and a file of hundreds of time travel stories in different times and 
with time changes and historicals.    



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: tc stephen and tyso season one
Date: 08 Apr 2000 00:38:42 EDT

Some of these contain info from TC that was not in the original book.



SPINOFFS

STEPHEN AND TYSO

1983 to 1984

1-PERMANENT VACATION
Stephen and Tyso settle in at the Trig, while an unseen menace threatens the 
Trig headquarters. The menace was similar to STAR TREK'S DAY OF THE DOVE.

2-BLUE ICE
When the main power source of an emerging planet disappears, it is up to 
Stephen to retrieve it and Tyso, caught in an anti gravity trap.

3-FROM THE MIST OF TIME
Peter the Time Guardian contacts Stephen looking for Zack, who was on a 
mission in the present century. Zack disappeared while trying to find a time 
disc dropped by a curious Time Guardian where he wasn't supposed to be--the 
final voyage of the Morro Castle, a doomed ship. Zack got caught up in the 
disaster and couldn't return without help.

4-MISSION: DEADLY
Tikno accompanies Stephen and Tyso on a journey to Zelos, where they are 
caught up in a sudden civil war. The civil war was over water rights, the non 
TP life there are trying to usurp all the planet's water.
 
5-WHERE BUZZARDS MEET
Stephen and Tyso endure incredible cold searching for a missing agent on the 
planet Mygara IV and when they find him, they uncover a secret society that 
could threaten galactic life.

6-POISON ARROW
Tyso is injured on an undercover mission and Stephen must get in and rescue 
him without alerting Tyso's captors or risk being captured himself.
 
7-REVOLUTION
When Stephen and Tyso are assigned to guard a controversial king visiting the 
Trig, they are unaware of an assassin in their midst.

8-LOVESICK BLUES
Stephen brings Jani in for a visit, prompting anger from Ambassador Kolar 
until she proves her worth in a crisis. 

9-SCENES FROM A DREAM
Tyso is having a severe bout with insomnia, threatening his career as a 
galactic agent until Stephen and Timus discover the reasons.

10-BLIND LUCK
While on a mission to Telos, Stephen falls under the spell of an ancient 
priestess who intends to sacrifice him following mating.

11-VAGRANT
An  ancient unoccupied ship drifts toward the Trig, bringing danger to all 
who dare to investigate it. 

12-A MATTER OF POLICY
Stephen, blinded and injured, is alone after a jaunting interruption on an 
uninhabited hostile planet, while Tyso fights with Kolar over rules 
forbidding rescue.

13-PLANET OF PARADISE
While on a short holiday, Stephen and Tyso discover a sinister secret on Eden 
4, and end up as murder targets. The secret is that people on this  resort 
planet were processing humanoid psi-life as food for the Kulthans. 

14-SOMEWHERE OUT THERE
Stephen and Tyso respond to a distress signal from a planet, only to find it 
doesn't exist in our dimension.

15-PROPOSED PLANS
Stephen proposes to Jani, and asks her to join him on the Trig, while she is 
troubled about leaving Earth, and the Tomorrow People, her friends and her 
family behind.

16-WORKS IN PROGRESS
Tyso is suspicious when the Thargons request an audience with the Galactic 
Council. The Thargons were planning to invade Earth.

17-DOUBLE CROSS
Stephen suspects a new agent recruit of being a spy for the Thargon Empire, 
but has trouble proving it until it is almost too late. The spy trapped both 
of them and they almost didn't get away. The Spy was planning to assassinate 
the head of the Federation Council.

18-STANDING ALONE
Stephen and Tyso are left behind on a routine mission of diplomacy when Kolar 
orders an evacuation of personnel but neglects to inform the two, endangering 
their lives. The planet turned out to be hostile, except for the peace loving 
president and his aids. The people staged a revolution, which Kolar knew 
about in advance which would become evident in the next season of STEPHEN AND 
TYSO. We find out then that Kolar is power mad!


19-PROBLEMS SOLVED
Tyso's attitude appear a bit dazed to Stephen and when he investigates he 
gets the surprise of his life. Tyso has his first love affair.

20-MASTER OF MINDS
Stephen and Tyso do battle with an ambassador attempting to control the minds 
of the Galactic Council.

21-FOREGONE CONCLUSION
When Jani answers Stephen's wedding proposal, it makes a recent accident seem 
like a little problem until it flares up again. 

22-MAKING UP FOR LOST TIME
Stephen and Tyso take a short leave of absence to prepare for Stephen's 
upcoming wedding on Earth. 

23-THE LINK
Stephen celebrates his last few nights of bachelorhood with Tyso, John, and 
Mike, while Jani and the girls prepare a major surprise: Jani has decided to 
join Stephen at the Trig rather than stay on Earth most of the time.

24-DEADLY TERROR
Stephen receives word from Kolar that the Thargons plan an attack on Earth 
but he cannot predict when.

NOTES: This first season of STEPHEN AND TYSO was tied into a two part TP 
episode at the end of the TP season of 1983-1984. 




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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: tpfic
Date: 08 Apr 2000 00:39:20 EDT

How do I post to TP fic? 



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: tc stephen and tyso season two
Date: 08 Apr 2000 09:08:34 EDT


1984 TO 1985

25-DEVASTATION
Stephen, devastated by Jani's death (see TP), goes off to contemplate her 
last words. Tyso hears rumors about a pirate ring kidnaping slaves on not so 
distant planets. Brian Robbins decides to join Stephen and Tyso.  

26-THE HORNS OF TAIGAR
Stephen works to put Jani out of his mind. Stephen and Tyso investigate the 
slave reports and discover an unusual ally named Taigar from the planet 
Edyrom. Taigar has naturally dark skin, black curly hair, orange-ish eyes, 
and two minute horns sticking out of his forehead at the hairline. He is also 
psi humanoid. Tyso and Stephen rescue him from a slaver colony. Tyso and 
Stephen find this ally when they are discovered trying to free slaves. 

27-KOLAR'S FOLLY
Kolar sends Brian on a suicide mission, angering Stephen. Tyso indoctrinates 
Taigar on Galactic Law. Tricia asks Stephen for advice. Brian's mission: 
infiltrate and find out the plans of an army being built by a non psi race 
readying an attack on a nearby psi world.
 
28-INVESTIGATIVE TACTICS
Stephen begins investigating Kolar's background, with Tricia's help. Timus 
and Tyso fall into a trap while on a diplomatic mission until Taigar shows up 
to help them.

29-SENSITIVE INFORMATION
Stephen uncovers a secret in Kolar's past. Tyso and Mandii have a night out. 
Taigar and Brian discuss the transitions both are undergoing.

30-MEETING TERMS
Stephen and Tyso confront Kolar head on, demanding his resignation. Taigar 
falls into a trap set by slaver  Magron, intent on recapturing him. Brian 
learns of a secret in the Trig's construction. Kolar is not really evil, nor 
even bad, but a kind of galactic Richard Nixon--he wanted absolute power He 
is like Borusa in THE FIVE DOCTORS on DOCTOR WHO. Taigar is held in this 
story and the next two. 

31-DENIAL
Kolar denies all the accusations, claiming Stephen and Tyso want revenge for 
an earlier mission failure. Taigar manages to send an SOS, which is picked up 
by Brian.

32-FOLLOWING ORDERS
Stephen and Tyso disobey Kolar's direct order and they go  to save Taigar, 
who will surely die without their help. Kolar plans to disgrace the Earth 
Team for his trouble. Taigar is rescued.

33-PAST ATTACK
Kolar angers Stephen by accusing Stephen of dereliction of duty when he left 
the Trig following Jani's death. Taigar and Tyso contact Elizabeth M'Bondo to 
ask her knowledge of  Kolar's past.

34-COUNCIL ONE, EARTHERS ZERO
The Council refutes the evidence delivered by Tyso, siding with Kolar and his 
record. Stephen and Brian follow up on a lead Liz gave them. Taigar keeps an 
eye on Kolar.

35-NO TURNING BACK
Kolar's control of the Council backfires when Stephen leads Taigar, Tricia, 
Tyso, and Brian in resigning from the Galactic Agent Corps. Stephen plays a 
trump card while Kolar vows revenge.
 
36-FAST TRACK
Kolar's identity is exposed after he lures Stephen and Taigar into a deadly 
trap, to use as bait for the rest who must decide whether to do battle or try 
and secretly help their friends. The battle that ensues could change Trig 
politics forever. Kolar, it turns out, was a ruler from a distant time who 
had been made immortal. Kolar was his current name. Previously he had been 
many people on many planets including King Henry VIII on Earth.
 
37-CHANGE OF VENUE
The mass migration occurs following Kolar's defeat, as the former agents join 
Kenny Ararath (Stephen Salmon) and Carol Rounder (Sammie Winmill) at OVERMIND 
while keeping their status as private investigators, Trig Style. OVERMIND is 
a galactic peacekeeping organization like the UN on Earth. OVERMIND leader 
Selan (Carol Kane) tells them to behave and obey the rules but Stephen 
promptly breaks them when he picks up life signs on a planet devoid of life. 

38-IN THE SHADOW OF A HAWK
Hawk (Jeff Yagher--a real life model maker and actor--he was in one of the 
awful BIONIC WOMAN/SIX MILLION DOLLAR MAN reunion movies as a wheelchair 
bound son) tells his life story. He was a slave and had a recent escape. Hawk 
is a young alien humanoid who was not psionic. His powers are inborn--he 
could fly, instantly translate many languages, shoot forcefields from his 
fingertips, and heal people empathically. He can not hear telepathy. He is 
completely non psionic and has a code of justice that allowed him to kill if 
necessary while others were unable to even think of  killing. He was 
originally from Prescdia V (also spelled as PRECEDIA V).  Tricia answers a 
call from Sophostria. Carol speaks of feeling imminent danger for the entire 
universe. 

39-BEST MAN WINS
Hawk is surprised by an appearance by his twin brother Arik who intends to 
sell him elsewhere. Taigar is surprised by a records search. Liz calls 
Stephen about Time Guardian Peter's time flux.

40-COMING FROM A FAR PLACE
Taigar and Tyso head for Taigar's home planet. Stephen and Selan begin 
investigating the time flux which is now growing slowly stronger. Toby from 
Earth visits with a plan to aid research on TIM for study.  

41-FROM WITHIN...
Hawk is held prisoner by Arik, his twin brother, who impersonates his twin, 
planning to ruin Hawk's newfound friendships. Tyso returns from Edyrom 
without Taigar, who remains to remeet his family. Stephen and Peter the Time 
Guardian try to save Hawk.

42-WARNING BELL
Stephen and Tyso bring Taigar and Hawk to Earth for the first time to rest 
after Arik's attack. Hawk, on an expedition with Brian, falls ill. Tyso 
visits Evergreen, his sister.  

43-A SIGN FROM ABOVE SHALL BE AS SWEET
Hawk is gravely ill, cause unknown. Tyso goes to search for an antidote on 
Hawk's barren home planet, Prescedia V and disappears. Brian talks of 
returning home for good.

44-A CURRENT AFFAIR
Hawk slowly recovers, thanks to Questor (John Stamos). Brian visits his 
family. Mike and Stephen talk about Mike coming home to Earth until what's 
happening is figured out.

45-TIL THE END OF ETERNITY
Evergreen's distress call alerts Stephen and Hawk, who try to find her. Peter 
and Zack, both Time Guardians are sensed by Taigar. Taigar is nearly exposed 
while on the planet side, because of his horns.

46-DEADLY ENCOUNTER
Stephen and Hawk try to figure out a way to escape their captor with 
Evergreen, Peter, and Zack. Brian tries to find Stephen and Hawk, with no 
success. Tyso dreams of Mike Bell but cannot reach him at first. Stephen and 
Hawk find out their captor is Jedikiah but even more so their is another 
captor behind this one---Detron!

NOTES:
All stories are in continuity with final season episodes of TP and a massive 
weeks long crossover story against Jedikiah and Detron. Thus, the seasons on 
all spinoffs were short to enable them to return to the parent series for 
several weeks. Overmind is a galactic thinktank. MY NOTES: Okay, this is 
better than STEPHEN AND TYSO season one but why are there so many alien 
characters in it that take the forefront: Hawk and Taigar are compelling 
enough though and unlike some other alien characters are well fleshed out 
here and in the future. Overmind in the original series was not fully 
explained but I could have thought Overmind was really a part of the Galactic 
Trig, so quitting the Trig to go to Overmind doesn't really make much sense. 
The crossovers are a good idea but there should have been some other way to 
show the logical procession of story lines and where they actually melded 
into each other. Overall, a good set of episodes here. 



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: tc stephen and tyso season 3
Date: 09 Apr 2000 01:59:12 EDT

1985-1986
47-HEALING TOUCH
Stephen and Tyso travel to the mysterious Xerox to ask aid of a mystic 
healer. Tricia puts Brian to rest. Taigar watches over Hawk, who lays dying 
in the Trig medcenter. Radan (George Clooney) offers clumsy comfort to 
Tricia. 

48-HEALING HAWK
The priestess Nydorra (Sarah Sutton) uses her healing powers to cure Hawk, 
not telling the others of what it means. Tricia and Selan speak of Men and 
Mice. Stephen discovers Nydorra's hypnotic power. 

49-CONTROLLED COLORING
Hawk is indebted to Nydorra and feels very protective of her. Tyso takes a 
holiday. Taigar takes some advanced training. Stephen is wearing thin his 
patience for constant questions.

50-POSSESSION
Nydoora flaunts her control over Hawk, who acts as if he is her property. 
Arik prepares to once again try to kill his brother Hawk. Stephen expresses 
anger over Nydorra's trickery.

51-OVERMIND OBITUARY
Arik attacks OVERMIND hq, with Hawk at less than peak condition. Radan makes 
his move on Tricia, who will have none of it. Nydorra tells Tyso what she 
does, she cannot help. Hawk fights his brother to a standoff. Nydorra is a 
priestess like ELAAN OF TROYUS and Noona from TREK's A PRIVATE LITTLE WAR. 
Her powers are all consuming and she cannot control the effects of her 
healing powers.

52-HAWK'S HEART
Nydorra bores of toying with Hawk, causing confusion in the young man. 
Stephen tries to find a way to reverse Nydorra's well meant spell. Nydorra 
spurns Hawk when he professes his love for her, causing a problem.

53-IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE

Hawk suffers from Nydorra's callous attitude. Tyso tries to reason with 
Stephen about getting rid of Nydorra. Taigar gets a call from Earth. 

54-MED ALERT
Hawk enters a mental coma, causing by Nydorra's severed link, which she 
refuses to reestablish. Taigar tells Radan to lay off Tricia. Selan forces 
Nydorra to choose between Hawk's life and her freedom. 

55-OLD TIES
Nydorra, with guidance from the Trig healer M'Pongold, heals Hawk's mental 
injuries while keeping him from becoming possessed again. Stephen has a 
surprising fight with Tyso over bad advice, leaving Tyso open mouthed. 

56-FROM THE MOUTHS OF BABES
Tyso, sulking, takes an independent investigation job, only to fall into a 
trap meant for Taigar. Magron demands Taigar's life in exchange for Tyso. 
Stephen is plagued with guilt and follow Taigar. Magron is a non psi humanoid 
who uses devices like lasers as weapons. A villain like the evil one on JASON 
OF STAR COMMAND.

57-BACK HOME AGAIN
Stephen and Tyso make amends. Taigar wants revenge for Tyso's suffering and 
goes after Magron. Tricia and Selan cook up a plan to discourage Radan's 
relentless pursuit.

58-FAR FROM CIVILIZATION
Taigar confronts Magron on loaded turf, with Stephen and Tyso close behind. 
Hawk and Nydorra come to an understanding about their relationship. 

59-PAST PLANE
Taigar delivers Magron to Galactic Prison. Stephen is approached for advice 
by Hawk on how to win Nydorra properly. An embarrassed Radon gets the message 
from Tricia.

60-HOWEVER MANY THERE ARE, THERE ARE NEVER ENOUGH
Stephen puts his tiring foot down, his patience wearing thin. Nydorra and 
Hawk have a tentative date, Earth style. Tyso tries to figure out what is 
eating Stephen. 

61-STEPHEN'S QUEST
Stephen disappears for a few days leaving a frantic Tyso and the gang 
wondering what he is up to. Hawk spies a stranger hanging around OVERMIND. 
Nydorra receives a summons from Xerox.

62-WHAT'S GOING ON?
Stephen returns, refusing to say where he has been, even to Tyso. Hawk has a 
fateful meeting with the mysterious man lurking around. Tyso visits Evergreen 
back home. Taigar and Radan fly a bitchy ambassador home.

63-CENTER OF THE WELL
Hawk discovers the stranger's identity too late to warn the others or save 
himself from mental attack. Nydorra is disappointed by news from home. 
Stephen claims to need some time off.


64-ARIK'S PLANS
Arik threatens to blow up OVERMIND, which pushes Stephen to the breaking 
point. Nydorra decides to return home once she knows Hawk is safe. Stephen 
tells Tyso he cannot stop thinking about Jani again.

65-ESCAPE FROM YESTERDAY
Stephen considers his options. Tyso and Hawk investigate a report that 
Magron's slavers are at work again. Tricia makes a decision about her future. 
An accident on the Overmind HQ surprises all. 

66-BACKTRACK
Selan's sudden death was not an accident. Hawk and Nydorra say their 
goodbyes. Tyso struggles with his emotions concerning Stephen's attitude. 
Stephen makes a few choices. 

67-DRIFTING
Stephen, while sneaking away, is surprised by Hawk and is forced to mink lock 
his alien friend to prevent him from telling what Stephen is up to. Tyso 
finds Hawk in agony and fading fast, not knowing what happened. Nydorra 
trusts Taigar and Tyso to care for Hawk and departs. Tyso attempts to trace 
Stephen.

68-FINAL SPLIT
Stephen's tape is played, explaining his motives and his grief over what he 
did to Hawk. Tyso's anger boils over to the point of a possible termination 
of friendship. Taigar and Tyso vow to track Stephen down. Stephen says his 
own goodbyes, in his own ways, and disappears.




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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: Thought I'd repost these
Date: 09 Apr 2000 12:17:22 EDT

THE TOMORROW PEOPLE


1970-John breaks out
1971-Carol breaks out
1972-Kenny breaks out
April 1973-SLAVES OF JEDIKIAH-Stephen breaks out
June 1973-THE MEDUSA STRAIN-Peter, Rubowski, Jedikiah form 2
July 1973-THE VANISHING EARTH-Sandor, Spridron, Steen
1973-THE VISITOR-novel
1973-an alternate version of THE iNVASION OF EARTH-look in comic
1973-THOR'S HAMMER-comic
1973-an alternate version of TIME WAITS-comic
1973-an alternate version of  A MUCH NEEDED HOLIDAY-comic
1974-an alternate version of  THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH-comic 
1974- A CONFLICT OF INTERESTS-Jim Davis, aliens-comic
1974-Carol and Kenny leave the Earth for the Trig with Harry Steen
Feb 1974-THE BLUE AND GREEN-Liz
Mar 1974-A RIFT IN TIME-Peter, Xenon, Gaius, Coatus, Cawston, Garner
April 1974-THE DOOMSDAY MEN-Douglas, Paul, Lee
1974-THE TP MEET THE CHAMPIONS-fan fic
1974-THE CASSANDRA CONSPIRACY-fan fic
1974-THE RIFT-fan fic-lost blond girl in hyper space-mutated
1974-THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH-Kenny said to be on Spyra mission-novel
1974-THE GREAT MOTHERS OF MATRA-Stephen's pet Bron-novel
1974-THE GURU-Jedikiah-novel
1974-THE PSEUDO MIKE-Mikkon, alien tries to destroy the TP-comic
1974-PROJECT GUARDIAN-comic
1974-JUST JEKK-Jekk, son of Jestor, both Zettarians-comic
1974-THE WAY TO THE STARS-Theres aliens pose as band Starway-comic
1974-FEELING IS SUCH A HARD THING TO DO-time travel-Nazis, WW2-comic
1974-THE BROTHER I NEVER HAD-John's brother Colin, 14th century-comic
1975-KRAMMED IN-Trivegan Kramm vs Tp on the Trig-comic 
1975-THE JAUNTING PLANE-peace diplomat Nelson T. Ziegler, aliens-comic
1975-THE DOGS OF BAAL-devil-comic
Feb 1975-SECRET WEAPON-Tricia, Col.Masters, Cawston, Tyso breaks 
1975-THE MADNESS WAITS-HP Lovecraft, Cawston, America, New Eng-fanfic
Mar 1975-WORLDS AWAY-Tyso's family, Timus, Vesh, Lenda, boy, Kulthan
April 1975- A MAN FOR EMILY-Momma, Emily, Elmer
1975-THE INVASION OF EARTH-novel
1975-TIME WAITS-Tutor, Saiyan, Tyso's family-novel
1975-A MUCH NEED HOLIDAY-alternate universe version, or a time change-novel
1975-TEGON TACTICS-Thexian aliens-comic
1975-THE GORILLA GUERILLAS-Malkart, Sir Julian Maybury, Gagra-comic
1975-THE WAY TO WHAT?-the Wayfarer 2 spaceship-comic
1975-FROM THE LAND OF THE TINY-child Tom Lee has Miniix of Phari-comic
1975-THE COLDEST HOLIDAY OF ALL-ship near Jupiter, Ice Age-comic
1975-THE HOT HIKE-Step on the moors, heat wave revives aliens-comic
1975-DEADLY CREEPERS-Damon Jenkins, Philemon plant invasion-comic   
May 1975-REVENGE OF JEDIKIAH-going to the Trig, Tyso's family
1975-THE TRIAL OF THE TOMORROW PEOPLE-fan fic
1976-ONE GOOD SHOT-Prof. Klavish aims at the Trig-comic
Jan 1976-ONE LAW-Mike breaks out, Dunning, Two Tone, Slow, Reg Burke,Thwaits
1976-NASCENT-fan fic
1976- A DOG OF A PLACE-dog with microfilm stolen from Trig-comic
Feb 1976-INTO THE UNKNOWN-Vakkton, Tiryann, Kwaan, first mini TIM
1976-THE FACE OF A SPY-Mike in 1942 to stop drilling in London, Nazis-comic
1976-THE MYSTERY OF MYSTERIO-Prof. Ducros shrinks himself accident-comic  
1976-A CHANGE OF SIDES-fan fic-Odin and Norse psi's, Chris leaves for a time 
1976-THE HUNT AND THE HUNTED-Tyso was brainwashed by Kulthan-fanfic
1976-STAND BY FOR THE DEATH CRASH!-Neptune rocket -comic
1977- A GORILLA IN LONDON-Manga gorilla, zoo, brain control, agents-comic
Feb 1977-THE DIRTIEST BUSINESS-Turner, Russians, Pavlov
Mar 1977-A MUCH NEEDED HOLIDAY-Kleptons, Timus, Trig, Trog 
1977-THE MALICE OF MASSIMO: RACE AGAINST TIME-text story, pics
Mar 1977-THE HEART OF SOGGOTH-Soggoth, Jake, Mike's band, God
1977-THE TOMORROW TESH-Doctor and Leela, Tesh planet-fan fic
1977-DOCKING PROCEDURES-dead ship of Pheron G plays with weather-comic
1977-FROM HERE BUT SO FAR AWAY-Antor aliens released from icecap-comic
1977-SWITCHING PLACES-delegate Koober in London, TP at the Trig-comic
July 1977-TRICKSTER-alien joker at seaside fair arrives in flying saucer-comic
1977-AHEAD OF HIS TIME-Mike goes to 2064 to avert crisis in 2065-comic
1977-FROM THE NIGHT SKY-3 afraid Zenuss aliens are on Earth, sad story-comic
1977-A GALACTIC CHRISTMAS-alien spy Lorian on Trig during X-Mas-comic
1977-NO PATENT ON WAR-Armerians and Kallians-comic?
1978-METEOR FROM SPACE-heads at Earth & can detonate missiles there-comic
1978-ROBOT VS. ROBOT-Starquestor 1 ship, robots, alien war-comic
May 1978-THE LOST GODS-Hsue Tai breaks out
1978-Liz's dad goes to search for his wife in South Africa-fan fiction (ff)
May 1978-HITLER'S LAST SECRET-Hitler III, boys who are really older
1978-PROJECT DEUTRON-Karnak alien-comic or text?
June 1978-THE THARGON MENACE-Poppa Minn, Flynn and Sula
Oct 1978 or 1979-CASTLE OF FEAR-Andrew breaks out, Loch Ness, Bruce
Oct 1978 or 1979-ACHILLES' HEEL-Yagon, Glip, Cantor, Bruce 
1979-SUMMONS-tele whale, Hsue Tai's Japanese grandfather-fan fiction
Nov 1978 or 1979-THE LIVING SKINS-Bubbloids, Wilton
ROBOT-annual story
THE MEDRAN VISIT-annual
THE DINOSAUR IS BACK-annual
DEEP WATER-annual
A CALL FROM BRANZA-annual
CONSTERNATION-fan fic
CHANCE ENCOUNTER-fan fic, alien girl CC meets Mike-ff
Jan-Feb 1979 or 1980-WAR OF THE EMPIRES-Saucins, Thargons, Trig opens up   
THE PHANTOM OF CALIFORNIA-fan fiction, 
STEPHEN ON WALL STREET-fan fiction, Andrew, Stephen attacked-ff
A MUCH UNNEEDED HOLIDAY-Mike in Prisoner's Village-fan fiction
NEVER TOO LATE FOR SMALL OAKS-time tracks altered-fan fic
AMPLIFIER-fan fic from Kate Orman, evil telepath, new break outs-fan fic
1980s-lot of fan fiction about these ten years
1981-1982-DREAMS OF DESTINY-fan fiction novel
1990-1992- fan fiction 
Nov 1992-NEW TOMORROW PEOPLE-alt. universe-Lisa, Kevin, Adam, Megabyte
Jan 1994-THE CULEX EXPERIMENT-Ami Jackson
Feb 1994-MONSOON MAN-
Jan 1995-THE RAMESES CONNECTION-
Feb 1995-THE LIVING STONES-
1992-beyond to the end of time-fan fiction, spinoffs, Time Guardians, far 
future
 



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TC Kirkham
Date: 09 Apr 2000 18:08:51 EDT

1985-1986
47-HEALING TOUCH
Stephen and Tyso travel to the mysterious Xerox to ask aid of a mystic 
healer. Tricia puts Brian to rest. Taigar watches over Hawk, who lays dying 
in the Trig medcenter. Radan (George Clooney) offers clumsy comfort to 
Tricia. 

48-HEALING HAWK
The priestess Nydorra (Sarah Sutton) uses her healing powers to cure Hawk, 
not telling the others of what it means. Tricia and Selan speak of Men and 
Mice. Stephen discovers Nydorra's hypnotic power. 

49-CONTROLLED COLORING
Hawk is indebted to Nydorra and feels very protective of her. Tyso takes a 
holiday. Taigar takes some advanced training. Stephen is wearing thin his 
patience for constant questions.

50-POSSESSION
Nydoora flaunts her control over Hawk, who acts as if he is her property. 
Arik prepares to once again try to kill his brother Hawk. Stephen expresses 
anger over Nydorra's trickery.

51-OVERMIND OBITUARY
Arik attacks OVERMIND hq, with Hawk at less than peak condition. Radan makes 
his move on Tricia, who will have none of it. Nydorra tells Tyso what she 
does, she cannot help. Hawk fights his brother to a standoff. Nydorra is a 
priestess like ELAAN OF TROYUS and Noona from TREK's A PRIVATE LITTLE WAR. 
Her powers are all consuming and she cannot control the effects of her 
healing powers.

52-HAWK'S HEART
Nydorra bores of toying with Hawk, causing confusion in the young man. 
Stephen tries to find a way to reverse Nydorra's well meant spell. Nydorra 
spurns Hawk when he professes his love for her, causing a problem.

53-IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE

Hawk suffers from Nydorra's callous attitude. Tyso tries to reason with 
Stephen about getting rid of Nydorra. Taigar gets a call from Earth. 

54-MED ALERT
Hawk enters a mental coma, causing by Nydorra's severed link, which she 
refuses to reestablish. Taigar tells Radan to lay off Tricia. Selan forces 
Nydorra to choose between Hawk's life and her freedom. 

55-OLD TIES
Nydorra, with guidance from the Trig healer M'Pongold, heals Hawk's mental 
injuries while keeping him from becoming possessed again. Stephen has a 
surprising fight with Tyso over bad advice, leaving Tyso open mouthed. 

56-FROM THE MOUTHS OF BABES
Tyso, sulking, takes an independent investigation job, only to fall into a 
trap meant for Taigar. Magron demands Taigar's life in exchange for Tyso. 
Stephen is plagued with guilt and follow Taigar. Magron is a non psi humanoid 
who uses devices like lasers as weapons. A villain like the evil one on JASON 
OF STAR COMMAND.

57-BACK HOME AGAIN
Stephen and Tyso make amends. Taigar wants revenge for Tyso's suffering and 
goes after Magron. Tricia and Selan cook up a plan to discourage Radan's 
relentless pursuit.

58-FAR FROM CIVILIZATION
Taigar confronts Magron on loaded turf, with Stephen and Tyso close behind. 
Hawk and Nydorra come to an understanding about their relationship. 

59-PAST PLANE
Taigar delivers Magron to Galactic Prison. Stephen is approached for advice 
by Hawk on how to win Nydorra properly. An embarrassed Radon gets the message 
from Tricia.

60-HOWEVER MANY THERE ARE, THERE ARE NEVER ENOUGH
Stephen puts his tiring foot down, his patience wearing thin. Nydorra and 
Hawk have a tentative date, Earth style. Tyso tries to figure out what is 
eating Stephen. 

61-STEPHEN'S QUEST
Stephen disappears for a few days leaving a frantic Tyso and the gang 
wondering what he is up to. Hawk spies a stranger hanging around OVERMIND. 
Nydorra receives a summons from Xerox.

62-WHAT'S GOING ON?
Stephen returns, refusing to say where he has been, even to Tyso. Hawk has a 
fateful meeting with the mysterious man lurking around. Tyso visits Evergreen 
back home. Taigar and Radan fly a bitchy ambassador home.

63-CENTER OF THE WELL
Hawk discovers the stranger's identity too late to warn the others or save 
himself from mental attack. Nydorra is disappointed by news from home. 
Stephen claims to need some time off.


64-ARIK'S PLANS
Arik threatens to blow up OVERMIND, which pushes Stephen to the breaking 
point. Nydorra decides to return home once she knows Hawk is safe. Stephen 
tells Tyso he cannot stop thinking about Jani again.

65-ESCAPE FROM YESTERDAY
Stephen considers his options. Tyso and Hawk investigate a report that 
Magron's slavers are at work again. Tricia makes a decision about her future. 
An accident on the Overmind HQ surprises all. 

66-BACKTRACK
Selan's sudden death was not an accident. Hawk and Nydorra say their 
goodbyes. Tyso struggles with his emotions concerning Stephen's attitude. 
Stephen makes a few choices. 

67-DRIFTING
Stephen, while sneaking away, is surprised by Hawk and is forced to mink lock 
his alien friend to prevent him from telling what Stephen is up to. Tyso 
finds Hawk in agony and fading fast, not knowing what happened. Nydorra 
trusts Taigar and Tyso to care for Hawk and departs. Tyso attempts to trace 
Stephen.

68-FINAL SPLIT
Stephen's tape is played, explaining his motives and his grief over what he 
did to Hawk. Tyso's anger boils over to the point of a possible termination 
of friendship. Taigar and Tyso vow to track Stephen down. Stephen says his 
own goodbyes, in his own ways, and disappears. Stephen was fed up with being 
the one to always carry the burden of a great deal of their problems.

STARTEAM FOUR---90 Minutes and  aka STEPHEN AND TYSO 4--
part of Science Fiction  Six In One 
Winter of 1986

69-BATTLE ROYALE
Hawk's mindlock from Stephen is broken by Taigar. The newly christened 
Starteam Four then respond to a distress call from the Minion VII, asking for 
help from marauders invading their world but the entire planet is found to 
barren and full of deadly traps. Stephen left because he was fed up with 
being the one to always carry the burden of a great deal of their problems. 

70-FROM THE ENDS OF THE GALAXY
When Tyso and Hawk crashland on a planet where their respective powers are 
pretty much useless, it is up to Taigar and Tricia to find them from hundreds 
of planets in the sector they were last seen in.

71-MIND WARP
Tyso catches a glimpse of Stephen in a dream, and heads up an expedition to 
find him, but Stephen is one step ahead of them. After going to Vindam, they 
discover that the Vindamises people are being exploited by a ruthless tyrant 
dictator.

72-THE POWERS THAT BE
Hawk questions his own loyalty when he finds himself on a Thargon planet 
without remembering how he got there. It seems a bout of induced amnesia 
caused him to assassinate the president of the Galactic Council. But, then 
again, things are not always what they seem, as the team tries to stay one 
step ahead of Harry Steen and the authorities in finding and helping to clear 
Hawk of  the deed. Hawk didn't do it. It was a native Thargon whose 
revolutionaries were planning to reopen the threat of war with the galaxy. 
The president of Tharga changed after the attack on Earth left Jani dead. 
This one was assassinated because he strove for peace for the empire and the 
universe.

73-CARBON COPY
Hawk's twin Arik returns, this time leading a group of renegade psi beings, 
determined to destroy the team once and for all, not counting on them getting 
help from a surprise source.

74-FROM WHENCE THEY CAME
A farewell of sorts as Tricia retires and Tyso, Hawk, and Taigar return to 
the Trig Agent Corps, only to be met with hostility being induced by an 
ambassador enemy of the Earth and the Tp, and especially Stephen. 

NOTES: Dean Lawrence leaves to PROJECT: MINDSTAR, Rodney Helal to OPERATION: 
PROTOTYPE, and Jeff Yagher to the TC version of THE OUTSIDERS and LIFELINE.

MY NOTES ON THE WHOLE SERIES : I never could really like STEPHEN AND TYSO all 
that  much. It was too much like the old STAR TREK series. Yet the whole team 
thing did provide some suitable stories. It was atmosphere I didn't think it 
had: I feel the Tp should left to less political, less military set ups such 
OVERMIND and the TRIG CORPS of agents. Left as individuals, I think the Tps 
could manage on their own but going off to help other worlds is not too bad. 
And it was difficult to think of either Tyso or Stephen as being a part of 
some corp. They were so individual, rebellious types, not military like 
soldiers. Another problem I had was that OVERMIND and the TRIG seemed to be 
part of ONE basic set up on the series, true that the show never really fully 
explored either group, let alone their relationship to one another but I 
think in hindsight, the groups were more myterious that way. Yet something 
had to be done to explore them and this series did that credibly. Again, 
however, many ideas were lifted almost whole sale from the first STAR TREK TV 
show.    


TIME  GATE

1983 to 1984

1-INTRODUCTIONS
Peter is introduced to his new partner, Zack in an unsual manner---they are 
thrown into a 22nd century time warp together.

2-WHERE EVER THEY MAY FALL
The Guardians investigate unusal time traffic near the planet Minos XII, 
which doesn't know about time travel yet.

3-KEEPER OF THE OCEAN
Peter, investigating the lost Earth city of Atlantis, uncovers a plot to 
assassinate the president of the doomed city.  

4-FOLLIES GALACTIC
On leave for good work, Peter and Zack run into an old menace, one that has 
held a grudge against the Peter since 1AD: Gaius! 

5-LONG MAY THEY WAVE
Going to the assistance of an old friend of Peter's grandfather Zenon (played 
now by Danny Kaye, whom I like but cannot understand why TC couldn't just use 
the man who played Zenon in A RIFT IN TIME), ally Zack gets taken hostage by 
a renegade Time Guardian named Tempest, who wants to use the time lanes to 
invade other worlds. Tempest seems to be played by Leonard Nimoy in later 
stories but may or may not be him here. 

6-RENEGADE
Peter and Zack track the renegade Tempest, a troublemaker, through time, 
where he has set up shop in 21st century Earth.
 
7-ERIK THE WRONG
On Minaria, Peter and Zack befriend a homeless boy on the run from local 
authorities who turns out to be somewhat of a surprise to the Guardians.  

8-FANTASTIC JOURNEY
On Earth in the year 1232, Zack and Peter try to set right a chain of events 
started by an accidental time rift, one that could wipe out Earth's history 
as they know it.
 
9-HOLD AN OLD FRIEND'S HAND
When Peter intercepts a call from Carol Rounder, requesting assistance, it 
turns out to be a potentially deadly trap for both Guardians Peter and Zack.

10-PEACHY KEEN
While on leave, Zack has a reaction to the plants of Graon, leaving him 
without powers, while Peter tries to come up with the cure for his friend.

11-TEMPEST
The renegade Time Guardian returns, hoping to kidnap Peter to use a leverage 
against Zenon.

12-ROME FREE
While in Caesar's Rome, Peter and Zack are mistaken for two local criminals, 
and sentenced to face the lions. 

13-BACKWARD BOUNCE
Zenon falls ill, leaving Peter in charge of the Time Lanes and Zack in charge 
of finding a cure for Zenon.

14-DEBUT NIGHT
A new Guardian beings to misuse his powers while in a distant time, leaving 
Peter and Zack to follow and set him straight. 

15-NOW AND THEN

Peter suffers delusions while ill as Zack tries to find a way to return home 
while prisoners of an alien Time Lord. This is NOT the Doctor. It could be 
the Master, the Monk, Omega, or some other Time Lord from DOCTOR WHO. 

16-TO BE CONTINUED
Peter finds out an old colleague and former professor plans to leave the Hall 
for good, touching off a personal interest in why. The old Time Guardian 
fnids out he was dying from a hereditary gene problem, he hadn't seen his 
estranged children, who were off on their own missions in some other time or 
times.

NOTES: The series resembled NBC's VOYAGERS! with Peter and Zack trying to 
correct mistakes in time, usually with a great deal of science fiction 
adventure. Zack was played by Lee Curreri, the long haired actor of FAME on 
TV in the late 1970s and through the 1980s.

1984 TO 1985

17-TO EACH HIS OWN
Lalla, Peter's cousin, graduates from the Guardian academy and joins her 
cousin and his partner Zack when the are sent to investigate an unlawful use 
of the Time Lanes near Marcus II. Lalla is played by Cynthia Smith.
 
18-FOLLOW YOUR DESTINY
Lalla proves her worth to a skeptical Zack when she saves him from death in 
the prehistoric era of the planet Kristo (A RIFT IN TIME).

19-BACK TO MARCAL
Peter returns a favor once paid him by the high Makre of Marcal by paying him 
a visit, and helping him to track down his son, who has been kidnapped.

20-DEFINATE CIRCUMSTANCES
Peter is put on trial when he accidentally causes the death of another 
Guardian, who isn't as dead as he seems.

21-PAST LIVES
Zack undertakes the task of looking back into Earth's history for a minu'te 
detail which caused the outbreak of plague that caused his family to evolve 
into Guardians.

22-DEAD AND BURIED
Tempest returns to take over the Hall of Guardians with an army that doesn't 
look too easy to defeat.

23-CONTINUATIONS
While on a distant planet to help an underground network stop slavery on the 
planet, a strange radiation affects their time discs, causing them to 
haywire, trapping the trio there. Daimal is played by Tony O'Dell of the 
insipid 1980s TV show OTHERWORLD.

24-DAIMAL
As they continue to help the underground, Peter, Zack and Lalla discover a 
special slave with incredible powers. With the slave ring uncovered and 
broken up, Daima (Tony O'Dell) decides to follow the Guardians wherever their 
defective time discs take them.

25-ON EARTH
Zack and Lalla, after ending up on Earth, follow up on the cries of a little 
girl being whisked out of a shopping mall in the year 1972. Lydia Randall 
(Soleil Moon Frye of PUNKY BREWSTER) is this girl.

26-RESCUE
The time travellers must rescue Lydia Randall from her abductors following 
the death of her parents in an accident while on their way to deliver the 
ransom the kidnappers had demanded. Lydia decides to come with them when they 
leave.

27-WHERE TO NOW
Ending up on the frigid world of Pecoz, Zack and Peter attempt to fix their 
defective time discs. Daimal feels the beginnings of something toward Lalla. 
Lydia tries to adjust to her new life.

28-FREEZING ZONE
After the attempt to fix the discs fails, Peter finds out his disc is no 
longer working. Lalla and Daimal begin to work together on a plan to fix the 
problems.

29-A WAY TO GO
Having fixed the discs to work on a field rather than personal levels, the 
travellers use them again and end up on a hostile planet where a bounty 
hunter is on trial for murdering the leader of the planet. Kerchon (Bill 
Beyers)  plans an escape attempt, helped by the unwitting time travellers. He 
is a mix of Turlough from DOCTOR WHO and Okona from STAR TREK: THE NEXT 
GENERATION but is also like the renegade cowboy in the mini series specials 
DESPERADO. Lydia found out something about him later on.  

30-FOREVER COMES ETERNITY
Lydia struggles to understand her parents' death in her own time while coping 
with her new friends and surroundings. Daimal has his first taste of love. 
Zack and Peter discover Kerchon's deceptions and surprise him by offering to 
hlep the bounty hunter escape from his captors.

31-KERCHON
Once leaving his hostile world, Kerchon plots to once again deceive his 
saviors. Lalla returns Daimal's affections. Lydia makes an unusual discovery.

32-BACK HOME
Peter and Zack suddenly find themselves home in the Hall of Guardians without 
an explanation, only to be plucked away by an unseen force.

33-LOST AND FOUND
Lalla and Daimal try to find the missing Peter and Zack, unaware that they 
are back on the right timeline. Kerchon swears his loyalty after Lydia finds 
something to blackmail him with. Lydia has found out that the bounty hunter 
Kerchon has a connection to the Time Guardians.   
 
1985 TO 1986

34-THE RETURN

Zack and Peter find themselves back with the other travellers after the 
explosion which killed Detron. The slaves on Marta V ask Daimal to stay 
behind to help their cause. Lalla and Daimal say goodbye. 

35-WARP HOLE
On the planet Demos, Kerchon finds himself growing fond of his companions. 
Lydia is befriended by the daughter of the scientist trying to repair the 
damaged time discs. Delana, the daughter (Kim Fields), elects to go with the 
travellers in search of advevture. 

36-WAY BACK WHEN
Prehistoric Earth leaves a bad taste in the travellers mouths as their powers 
fade out following an attack by a brontosaurus. Lalla despairs for his 
missing lover Daimal. Zack jumpstarts the discs using a crude flint device, 
jerking the travellers even farther off course.
 
37-ANDANTE QO
The Guardians and friends land on a devastated planet from sometime in the 
future. Andante Qo (Rene Ferrait of MENUDO's early years), the lone survivor 
of the holocaust looks for companionship. Kerchon finds a rune stone that 
could mean trouble.

38-TRACKING ERROR
Trapped on Andante's planet for the time being, the travellers find 
themselves in trouble with the return of the marauders who decimated the 
planet's population. Andante vows revenge for his people. A time warp brings 
a stunned college student to the Guardian's aid at the last minute. Rick 
Martino (Bryan Scott) is his name.

39-FRIENDLY ENCOUNTER
Rick Martino is puzzled about where he is and how he got there. Peter and 
Zack discover Tempest is behind their predicament and is toying with them. 
Lydia and Kerchon explain the facts to Rick. Andante attempts to fix the time 
discs, to no avail. 

40-PLANET POWER
Erixia native Kelli Branch (Janet Fielding of DOCTOR WHO), planet librarian 
(similar to the library in STAR TREK'S ALL OUR YESTERDAYS), tries to help in 
the quest for answers. Rick puts his physics major to the test on the time 
discs. Delana takes her leave while Kelli volunteers to join the group.

41-FALLING FAST
As Peter and Zack understand more and more about their problem, Andante and 
Kerchon offer a possible solution. Kelli finds a mysterious statue on Zarnon, 
while the boys put their plan into action. The problem was the malfuctioning 
time discs. Solution: Andante wanted to fuse the three errant disks together, 
creating a massive disk, using the means at their disposal.

42-WORKING TITLE
As the Guardians struggle to make their plan work, Lydia and Kelli stumble 
onto a plot to kill Kerchon, who is known by the locals. Andante becomes 
entangled in the plot and is captured for his troubles. He was the unwitting 
decoy for the local bunch that were after Kerchon from Kerchon's bounty 
hunting days.


NOTES:
Peter and Zack knew all their history and didn't have to consult their 
history books often. The second season had some of the characters leave to 
join the TP story during TIME GATE's  second season.  

MY NOTES ON OBLIGATIONS--MAJOR SPOILERS for that story which was written by 
me, Charles Mento:


spoiler alert, ahh, go on, you know you want to read it:

:
In my full length story TIME GATE is finally concluded: Peter, Zack and Lalla 
find a way back and  to remain in their own time in the far future of the 
26th century. They try to find a way to rescue the others and do--but too 
late for Rick, for he is killed. Their intervention gets Andante, Kelli, and 
Lydia to the TP in the year 1991 where they meet Rico, Rollin, Landen, Borj, 
and others. Andante gets his revenge as we meet the race that destroyed his 
people, visit their planet and have his funeral on his own world, Massimo. 
Kelli returns to Erixia and we later find out in another story that she is 
pregnant with his baby son Ante. Rick is killed on the planet Rates, the 
planet that spawned the killers of Andante's people. Lydia goes to Kelli's 
planet where Delana is. Kerchon, having gone insane from battling the pirate 
boys on the planet Rates, destroys that planet is thought blown up with the 
entire planet.  Andante is killed, accidentally, by Chad Llwellyn, brother of 
Toby and the renegade TP, who was trying to kill Rico Perera, whom he feared. 
Survivors of Rates, pirate boys in training, are left on Earth...and are very 
difficult to stun, kill, and find. 





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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: stephen, tyso ending; time gate 1 to 3 seasons,  
Date: 09 Apr 2000 18:09:34 EDT

1985-1986
47-HEALING TOUCH
Stephen and Tyso travel to the mysterious Xerox to ask aid of a mystic 
healer. Tricia puts Brian to rest. Taigar watches over Hawk, who lays dying 
in the Trig medcenter. Radan (George Clooney) offers clumsy comfort to 
Tricia. 

48-HEALING HAWK
The priestess Nydorra (Sarah Sutton) uses her healing powers to cure Hawk, 
not telling the others of what it means. Tricia and Selan speak of Men and 
Mice. Stephen discovers Nydorra's hypnotic power. 

49-CONTROLLED COLORING
Hawk is indebted to Nydorra and feels very protective of her. Tyso takes a 
holiday. Taigar takes some advanced training. Stephen is wearing thin his 
patience for constant questions.

50-POSSESSION
Nydoora flaunts her control over Hawk, who acts as if he is her property. 
Arik prepares to once again try to kill his brother Hawk. Stephen expresses 
anger over Nydorra's trickery.

51-OVERMIND OBITUARY
Arik attacks OVERMIND hq, with Hawk at less than peak condition. Radan makes 
his move on Tricia, who will have none of it. Nydorra tells Tyso what she 
does, she cannot help. Hawk fights his brother to a standoff. Nydorra is a 
priestess like ELAAN OF TROYUS and Noona from TREK's A PRIVATE LITTLE WAR. 
Her powers are all consuming and she cannot control the effects of her 
healing powers.

52-HAWK'S HEART
Nydorra bores of toying with Hawk, causing confusion in the young man. 
Stephen tries to find a way to reverse Nydorra's well meant spell. Nydorra 
spurns Hawk when he professes his love for her, causing a problem.

53-IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE

Hawk suffers from Nydorra's callous attitude. Tyso tries to reason with 
Stephen about getting rid of Nydorra. Taigar gets a call from Earth. 

54-MED ALERT
Hawk enters a mental coma, causing by Nydorra's severed link, which she 
refuses to reestablish. Taigar tells Radan to lay off Tricia. Selan forces 
Nydorra to choose between Hawk's life and her freedom. 

55-OLD TIES
Nydorra, with guidance from the Trig healer M'Pongold, heals Hawk's mental 
injuries while keeping him from becoming possessed again. Stephen has a 
surprising fight with Tyso over bad advice, leaving Tyso open mouthed. 

56-FROM THE MOUTHS OF BABES
Tyso, sulking, takes an independent investigation job, only to fall into a 
trap meant for Taigar. Magron demands Taigar's life in exchange for Tyso. 
Stephen is plagued with guilt and follow Taigar. Magron is a non psi humanoid 
who uses devices like lasers as weapons. A villain like the evil one on JASON 
OF STAR COMMAND.

57-BACK HOME AGAIN
Stephen and Tyso make amends. Taigar wants revenge for Tyso's suffering and 
goes after Magron. Tricia and Selan cook up a plan to discourage Radan's 
relentless pursuit.

58-FAR FROM CIVILIZATION
Taigar confronts Magron on loaded turf, with Stephen and Tyso close behind. 
Hawk and Nydorra come to an understanding about their relationship. 

59-PAST PLANE
Taigar delivers Magron to Galactic Prison. Stephen is approached for advice 
by Hawk on how to win Nydorra properly. An embarrassed Radon gets the message 
from Tricia.

60-HOWEVER MANY THERE ARE, THERE ARE NEVER ENOUGH
Stephen puts his tiring foot down, his patience wearing thin. Nydorra and 
Hawk have a tentative date, Earth style. Tyso tries to figure out what is 
eating Stephen. 

61-STEPHEN'S QUEST
Stephen disappears for a few days leaving a frantic Tyso and the gang 
wondering what he is up to. Hawk spies a stranger hanging around OVERMIND. 
Nydorra receives a summons from Xerox.

62-WHAT'S GOING ON?
Stephen returns, refusing to say where he has been, even to Tyso. Hawk has a 
fateful meeting with the mysterious man lurking around. Tyso visits Evergreen 
back home. Taigar and Radan fly a bitchy ambassador home.

63-CENTER OF THE WELL
Hawk discovers the stranger's identity too late to warn the others or save 
himself from mental attack. Nydorra is disappointed by news from home. 
Stephen claims to need some time off.


64-ARIK'S PLANS
Arik threatens to blow up OVERMIND, which pushes Stephen to the breaking 
point. Nydorra decides to return home once she knows Hawk is safe. Stephen 
tells Tyso he cannot stop thinking about Jani again.

65-ESCAPE FROM YESTERDAY
Stephen considers his options. Tyso and Hawk investigate a report that 
Magron's slavers are at work again. Tricia makes a decision about her future. 
An accident on the Overmind HQ surprises all. 

66-BACKTRACK
Selan's sudden death was not an accident. Hawk and Nydorra say their 
goodbyes. Tyso struggles with his emotions concerning Stephen's attitude. 
Stephen makes a few choices. 

67-DRIFTING
Stephen, while sneaking away, is surprised by Hawk and is forced to mink lock 
his alien friend to prevent him from telling what Stephen is up to. Tyso 
finds Hawk in agony and fading fast, not knowing what happened. Nydorra 
trusts Taigar and Tyso to care for Hawk and departs. Tyso attempts to trace 
Stephen.

68-FINAL SPLIT
Stephen's tape is played, explaining his motives and his grief over what he 
did to Hawk. Tyso's anger boils over to the point of a possible termination 
of friendship. Taigar and Tyso vow to track Stephen down. Stephen says his 
own goodbyes, in his own ways, and disappears. Stephen was fed up with being 
the one to always carry the burden of a great deal of their problems.

STARTEAM FOUR---90 Minutes and  aka STEPHEN AND TYSO 4--
part of Science Fiction  Six In One 
Winter of 1986

69-BATTLE ROYALE
Hawk's mindlock from Stephen is broken by Taigar. The newly christened 
Starteam Four then respond to a distress call from the Minion VII, asking for 
help from marauders invading their world but the entire planet is found to 
barren and full of deadly traps. Stephen left because he was fed up with 
being the one to always carry the burden of a great deal of their problems. 

70-FROM THE ENDS OF THE GALAXY
When Tyso and Hawk crashland on a planet where their respective powers are 
pretty much useless, it is up to Taigar and Tricia to find them from hundreds 
of planets in the sector they were last seen in.

71-MIND WARP
Tyso catches a glimpse of Stephen in a dream, and heads up an expedition to 
find him, but Stephen is one step ahead of them. After going to Vindam, they 
discover that the Vindamises people are being exploited by a ruthless tyrant 
dictator.

72-THE POWERS THAT BE
Hawk questions his own loyalty when he finds himself on a Thargon planet 
without remembering how he got there. It seems a bout of induced amnesia 
caused him to assassinate the president of the Galactic Council. But, then 
again, things are not always what they seem, as the team tries to stay one 
step ahead of Harry Steen and the authorities in finding and helping to clear 
Hawk of  the deed. Hawk didn't do it. It was a native Thargon whose 
revolutionaries were planning to reopen the threat of war with the galaxy. 
The president of Tharga changed after the attack on Earth left Jani dead. 
This one was assassinated because he strove for peace for the empire and the 
universe.

73-CARBON COPY
Hawk's twin Arik returns, this time leading a group of renegade psi beings, 
determined to destroy the team once and for all, not counting on them getting 
help from a surprise source.

74-FROM WHENCE THEY CAME
A farewell of sorts as Tricia retires and Tyso, Hawk, and Taigar return to 
the Trig Agent Corps, only to be met with hostility being induced by an 
ambassador enemy of the Earth and the Tp, and especially Stephen. 

NOTES: Dean Lawrence leaves to PROJECT: MINDSTAR, Rodney Helal to OPERATION: 
PROTOTYPE, and Jeff Yagher to the TC version of THE OUTSIDERS and LIFELINE.

MY NOTES ON THE WHOLE SERIES : I never could really like STEPHEN AND TYSO all 
that  much. It was too much like the old STAR TREK series. Yet the whole team 
thing did provide some suitable stories. It was atmosphere I didn't think it 
had: I feel the Tp should left to less political, less military set ups such 
OVERMIND and the TRIG CORPS of agents. Left as individuals, I think the Tps 
could manage on their own but going off to help other worlds is not too bad. 
And it was difficult to think of either Tyso or Stephen as being a part of 
some corp. They were so individual, rebellious types, not military like 
soldiers. Another problem I had was that OVERMIND and the TRIG seemed to be 
part of ONE basic set up on the series, true that the show never really fully 
explored either group, let alone their relationship to one another but I 
think in hindsight, the groups were more myterious that way. Yet something 
had to be done to explore them and this series did that credibly. Again, 
however, many ideas were lifted almost whole sale from the first STAR TREK TV 
show.    


TIME  GATE

1983 to 1984

1-INTRODUCTIONS
Peter is introduced to his new partner, Zack in an unsual manner---they are 
thrown into a 22nd century time warp together.

2-WHERE EVER THEY MAY FALL
The Guardians investigate unusal time traffic near the planet Minos XII, 
which doesn't know about time travel yet.

3-KEEPER OF THE OCEAN
Peter, investigating the lost Earth city of Atlantis, uncovers a plot to 
assassinate the president of the doomed city.  

4-FOLLIES GALACTIC
On leave for good work, Peter and Zack run into an old menace, one that has 
held a grudge against the Peter since 1AD: Gaius! 

5-LONG MAY THEY WAVE
Going to the assistance of an old friend of Peter's grandfather Zenon (played 
now by Danny Kaye, whom I like but cannot understand why TC couldn't just use 
the man who played Zenon in A RIFT IN TIME), ally Zack gets taken hostage by 
a renegade Time Guardian named Tempest, who wants to use the time lanes to 
invade other worlds. Tempest seems to be played by Leonard Nimoy in later 
stories but may or may not be him here. 

6-RENEGADE
Peter and Zack track the renegade Tempest, a troublemaker, through time, 
where he has set up shop in 21st century Earth.
 
7-ERIK THE WRONG
On Minaria, Peter and Zack befriend a homeless boy on the run from local 
authorities who turns out to be somewhat of a surprise to the Guardians.  

8-FANTASTIC JOURNEY
On Earth in the year 1232, Zack and Peter try to set right a chain of events 
started by an accidental time rift, one that could wipe out Earth's history 
as they know it.
 
9-HOLD AN OLD FRIEND'S HAND
When Peter intercepts a call from Carol Rounder, requesting assistance, it 
turns out to be a potentially deadly trap for both Guardians Peter and Zack.

10-PEACHY KEEN
While on leave, Zack has a reaction to the plants of Graon, leaving him 
without powers, while Peter tries to come up with the cure for his friend.

11-TEMPEST
The renegade Time Guardian returns, hoping to kidnap Peter to use a leverage 
against Zenon.

12-ROME FREE
While in Caesar's Rome, Peter and Zack are mistaken for two local criminals, 
and sentenced to face the lions. 

13-BACKWARD BOUNCE
Zenon falls ill, leaving Peter in charge of the Time Lanes and Zack in charge 
of finding a cure for Zenon.

14-DEBUT NIGHT
A new Guardian beings to misuse his powers while in a distant time, leaving 
Peter and Zack to follow and set him straight. 

15-NOW AND THEN

Peter suffers delusions while ill as Zack tries to find a way to return home 
while prisoners of an alien Time Lord. This is NOT the Doctor. It could be 
the Master, the Monk, Omega, or some other Time Lord from DOCTOR WHO. 

16-TO BE CONTINUED
Peter finds out an old colleague and former professor plans to leave the Hall 
for good, touching off a personal interest in why. The old Time Guardian 
fnids out he was dying from a hereditary gene problem, he hadn't seen his 
estranged children, who were off on their own missions in some other time or 
times.

NOTES: The series resembled NBC's VOYAGERS! with Peter and Zack trying to 
correct mistakes in time, usually with a great deal of science fiction 
adventure. Zack was played by Lee Curreri, the long haired actor of FAME on 
TV in the late 1970s and through the 1980s.

1984 TO 1985

17-TO EACH HIS OWN
Lalla, Peter's cousin, graduates from the Guardian academy and joins her 
cousin and his partner Zack when the are sent to investigate an unlawful use 
of the Time Lanes near Marcus II. Lalla is played by Cynthia Smith.
 
18-FOLLOW YOUR DESTINY
Lalla proves her worth to a skeptical Zack when she saves him from death in 
the prehistoric era of the planet Kristo (A RIFT IN TIME).

19-BACK TO MARCAL
Peter returns a favor once paid him by the high Makre of Marcal by paying him 
a visit, and helping him to track down his son, who has been kidnapped.

20-DEFINATE CIRCUMSTANCES
Peter is put on trial when he accidentally causes the death of another 
Guardian, who isn't as dead as he seems.

21-PAST LIVES
Zack undertakes the task of looking back into Earth's history for a minu'te 
detail which caused the outbreak of plague that caused his family to evolve 
into Guardians.

22-DEAD AND BURIED
Tempest returns to take over the Hall of Guardians with an army that doesn't 
look too easy to defeat.

23-CONTINUATIONS
While on a distant planet to help an underground network stop slavery on the 
planet, a strange radiation affects their time discs, causing them to 
haywire, trapping the trio there. Daimal is played by Tony O'Dell of the 
insipid 1980s TV show OTHERWORLD.

24-DAIMAL
As they continue to help the underground, Peter, Zack and Lalla discover a 
special slave with incredible powers. With the slave ring uncovered and 
broken up, Daima (Tony O'Dell) decides to follow the Guardians wherever their 
defective time discs take them.

25-ON EARTH
Zack and Lalla, after ending up on Earth, follow up on the cries of a little 
girl being whisked out of a shopping mall in the year 1972. Lydia Randall 
(Soleil Moon Frye of PUNKY BREWSTER) is this girl.

26-RESCUE
The time travellers must rescue Lydia Randall from her abductors following 
the death of her parents in an accident while on their way to deliver the 
ransom the kidnappers had demanded. Lydia decides to come with them when they 
leave.

27-WHERE TO NOW
Ending up on the frigid world of Pecoz, Zack and Peter attempt to fix their 
defective time discs. Daimal feels the beginnings of something toward Lalla. 
Lydia tries to adjust to her new life.

28-FREEZING ZONE
After the attempt to fix the discs fails, Peter finds out his disc is no 
longer working. Lalla and Daimal begin to work together on a plan to fix the 
problems.

29-A WAY TO GO
Having fixed the discs to work on a field rather than personal levels, the 
travellers use them again and end up on a hostile planet where a bounty 
hunter is on trial for murdering the leader of the planet. Kerchon (Bill 
Beyers)  plans an escape attempt, helped by the unwitting time travellers. He 
is a mix of Turlough from DOCTOR WHO and Okona from STAR TREK: THE NEXT 
GENERATION but is also like the renegade cowboy in the mini series specials 
DESPERADO. Lydia found out something about him later on.  

30-FOREVER COMES ETERNITY
Lydia struggles to understand her parents' death in her own time while coping 
with her new friends and surroundings. Daimal has his first taste of love. 
Zack and Peter discover Kerchon's deceptions and surprise him by offering to 
hlep the bounty hunter escape from his captors.

31-KERCHON
Once leaving his hostile world, Kerchon plots to once again deceive his 
saviors. Lalla returns Daimal's affections. Lydia makes an unusual discovery.

32-BACK HOME
Peter and Zack suddenly find themselves home in the Hall of Guardians without 
an explanation, only to be plucked away by an unseen force.

33-LOST AND FOUND
Lalla and Daimal try to find the missing Peter and Zack, unaware that they 
are back on the right timeline. Kerchon swears his loyalty after Lydia finds 
something to blackmail him with. Lydia has found out that the bounty hunter 
Kerchon has a connection to the Time Guardians.   
 
1985 TO 1986

34-THE RETURN

Zack and Peter find themselves back with the other travellers after the 
explosion which killed Detron. The slaves on Marta V ask Daimal to stay 
behind to help their cause. Lalla and Daimal say goodbye. 

35-WARP HOLE
On the planet Demos, Kerchon finds himself growing fond of his companions. 
Lydia is befriended by the daughter of the scientist trying to repair the 
damaged time discs. Delana, the daughter (Kim Fields), elects to go with the 
travellers in search of advevture. 

36-WAY BACK WHEN
Prehistoric Earth leaves a bad taste in the travellers mouths as their powers 
fade out following an attack by a brontosaurus. Lalla despairs for his 
missing lover Daimal. Zack jumpstarts the discs using a crude flint device, 
jerking the travellers even farther off course.
 
37-ANDANTE QO
The Guardians and friends land on a devastated planet from sometime in the 
future. Andante Qo (Rene Ferrait of MENUDO's early years), the lone survivor 
of the holocaust looks for companionship. Kerchon finds a rune stone that 
could mean trouble.

38-TRACKING ERROR
Trapped on Andante's planet for the time being, the travellers find 
themselves in trouble with the return of the marauders who decimated the 
planet's population. Andante vows revenge for his people. A time warp brings 
a stunned college student to the Guardian's aid at the last minute. Rick 
Martino (Bryan Scott) is his name.

39-FRIENDLY ENCOUNTER
Rick Martino is puzzled about where he is and how he got there. Peter and 
Zack discover Tempest is behind their predicament and is toying with them. 
Lydia and Kerchon explain the facts to Rick. Andante attempts to fix the time 
discs, to no avail. 

40-PLANET POWER
Erixia native Kelli Branch (Janet Fielding of DOCTOR WHO), planet librarian 
(similar to the library in STAR TREK'S ALL OUR YESTERDAYS), tries to help in 
the quest for answers. Rick puts his physics major to the test on the time 
discs. Delana takes her leave while Kelli volunteers to join the group.

41-FALLING FAST
As Peter and Zack understand more and more about their problem, Andante and 
Kerchon offer a possible solution. Kelli finds a mysterious statue on Zarnon, 
while the boys put their plan into action. The problem was the malfuctioning 
time discs. Solution: Andante wanted to fuse the three errant disks together, 
creating a massive disk, using the means at their disposal.

42-WORKING TITLE
As the Guardians struggle to make their plan work, Lydia and Kelli stumble 
onto a plot to kill Kerchon, who is known by the locals. Andante becomes 
entangled in the plot and is captured for his troubles. He was the unwitting 
decoy for the local bunch that were after Kerchon from Kerchon's bounty 
hunting days.


NOTES:
Peter and Zack knew all their history and didn't have to consult their 
history books often. The second season had some of the characters leave to 
join the TP story during TIME GATE's  second season.  

MY NOTES ON OBLIGATIONS--MAJOR SPOILERS for that story which was written by 
me, Charles Mento:
:
In my full length story TIME GATE is finally concluded: Peter, Zack and Lalla 
find a way back and  to remain in their own time in the far future of the 
26th century. They try to find a way to rescue the others and do--but too 
late for Rick, for he is killed. Their intervention gets Andante, Kelli, and 
Lydia to the TP in the year 1991 where they meet Rico, Rollin, Landen, Borj, 
and others. Andante gets his revenge as we meet the race that destroyed his 
people, visit their planet and have his funeral on his own world, Massimo. 
Kelli returns to Erixia and we later find out in another story that she is 
pregnant with his baby son Ante. Rick is killed on the planet Rates, the 
planet that spawned the killers of Andante's people. Lydia goes to Kelli's 
planet where Delana is. Kerchon, having gone insane from battling the pirate 
boys on the planet Rates, destroys that planet is thought blown up with the 
entire planet.  Andante is killed, accidentally, by Chad Llwellyn, brother of 
Toby and the renegade TP, who was trying to kill Rico Perera, whom he feared. 
Survivors of Rates, pirate boys in training, are left on Earth...and are very 
difficult to stun, kill, and find. 



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: scenes from THE TRAVELS OF TOBY
Date: 09 Apr 2000 18:23:14 EDT

In this series, which I shall also post soon, Toby has lost his memories and 
is travelling around the world, chased by Julia Winters (a daughter of Nebor 
from HITLER'S LAST SECRET) and Daniel Winthrop, a renegade and evil TP. 


DAY OF RECKONING scenes:

Female prostitute: Hey kid, if you don't ant to do this kind of work, I 
suggest you'd better disappear.

Toby: (absent mindedly): Disappear? Don't you mean jaunt?

Prostitute: Jaunt? That ain't no AMerican word. Are you British, Kid?

Toby: British? I don't...maybe...

Prostitute: Hurry, HE'S coming, get out of here! Beat it! Jaunt!

Toby: Huh? What does...

Prostitute: Run!

(Toby runs off)




A scene from POSITIVE ID:

Julia is watching Phil Donahue on TV.

On the tv Phil: Don't you think this aunt has a similar beef to your plight, 
Twana? I mean should the media let itself be used by this unnamed aunt the 
way it let you?


A scene from SEEING THE TRUTH:

Daniel, the renegade TP, put his hand on Toby's shoulder. Toby's eyes close 
and he sees Daniel appear in the darkness smiling evilly and holding a bloody 
knife. Toby waited until Daniel went to get him a hot dog, unaware Daniel 
laced it with knockout dust. Daniel finds a note on the park bench when he 
returns. It reads, "I"m sorry not to you but for you. I think you really 
wanted me to come with you---you needed me to come with you----you needed me 
to do so for some reason that is important. But I know that whatever my 
future is you are not a part of it, or not a major part. Whatever I am, 
really am, you are not the same as I. Thank you for your help but I must seek 
out my true potential---I see it now, I hope someday you will find your true 
potential--I see it now. I hope someday you will find your true potential, 
too." 

Daniel crumbles up the note, "I'm a part of it. More a part of it than you 
shall know!"


Note: later on Daniel turns good by saving TP Joachim and his lover, Craig, 
from Matthew  Galloway but is shot, throwing himself between them and the 
bullets Matt and his men shot at them. Daniel dies. 

  



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From: "Hately, Shaun" <Shaun.Hately@auspost.com.au>
Subject: TPDIS: ADMIN: TCTP
Date: 10 Apr 2000 09:11:11 +1000

Following complaints, and mindful that what is now being posted would better
belong on TPFICT, I'm asking that the TCTP material instead be posted to
TPFICT, and be posted according to the rules of that list.

If anyone has problems using TPFICT, mail me.

Shaun
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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: ADMIN: TCTP
Date: 09 Apr 2000 19:56:30 EDT

How can I get to it? Has there been any FIC posted? I have not received any. 
What is the URL to post to it? I have other fiction I would like to post. 
Thanks.

Also of what nature were the complaints?



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: TPFIC: summons intro
Date: 09 Apr 2000 19:57:56 EDT

They had all gone now. When TIMUS returned with Glip to the Trig, Andrew 
begged John and Liz to allow him to go. Hsue Tai sat on the couch of the New 
Lab and was lost in thought. John and Liz decided to accompany Andrew to the 
Trig, anxious to introduce him to their previous friends: Carol, Kenny, 
Stephen, Tyso, and Carol's husband and baby son. All three had begged her to 
go with them but Hsue Tai declined, remaining behind. She wasn't sure why she 
stayed but it was some mood she was unaccustomed to. Liz, one of the most 
sensitive Tomorrow People, had noticed her mood. Still, they had all gone. 
While they were gone, Hsue Tai set TIM onto a very important research 
project. Hsue Tai thought once she became a TP, she would see the beauty of 
the world and the Universe. Yet, she was stuck in the Lab most of the time as 
before in the Temple of Shansu, where she was always indoors, away from 
nature, away from people, and away from herself.

She didn't notice or hear as Mike jaunted in, back from Sistus Five where he 
visited with Chris Harding and Meshgin, a friend that Mike met during the 
Valkeryie-Odin encounter. Mike said, "Hello," quickly, then caused his A-E 
suit to vanish. In its place, he telepathically put on bell bottom slacks, a 
loose fitting, short sleeved leather vest, and boots. "Hi, I said, Hsue Tai. 
Hsue Tai?"  Mike was worried about Her. She hadn't been herself after the 
others left. She was generally a positive, cheerful girl. Mike felt a deep 
affection for her and she was the only person to make him totally forget his 
dear, lost Pavlov. Almost. It hurt Mike to see Hsue Tai hurting and 
depressed--and this state reminded him of Pavlov, how he felt after she died. 
Whatever the problem, Mike felt that he and Hsue Tai were somehow  bound 
together and whatever their futures---it would be together, for they were 
linked ever since she "broke out". Mike had to come up behind her and shake 
her shoulders, "Hsue Tai?"

She reacted as if she knew he were there all the time but couldn't respond. 
She wasn't shocked, "Oh, yes, Mike. Hello. How was Sistus Five?"

"Good. Chris and Skuld want to return to Earth soon," Mike smiled, "They've 
been married. And you should see the peaceful town they've built. Hsue Tai, 
you haven't been listening to..."

"Oh, I am, Mike. Please believe me."

"So. How is the project?"

"So sorry. What project?"

"Oh come on, Hsue Tai, you can't hide things from me, especially not when TIM 
knows."

Hsue Tai stood up, angrily looking at TIM, "TIM, you told him!"

TIM broke out of his search, "Uh? Oh, yes. Hmm?"

"No," Mike defended TIM, "No, he didn't, Hsue Tai. I just read TIM's thoughts 
as he does ours. He didn't have a guard up against me---as you do now. So did 
he find them? TIM, did you?"

TIM's stall moved away, "Please ask Hsue Tai. She instructed me to tell no 
one. I must admit, I didn't feel you probing my information."

Hsue Tai turned her back on them both, upset at having Mike know her plans. 
Mike laughed at TIM, "That's because I'm so good at it, TIM. Hsue, did he 
find them yet?"

"I don't know what you mean!"

"Why are you trying to hide this? Has TIM found your parents yet or not?"




THE TOMORROW PEOPLE
SUMMONS
PART ONE: A WHALE OF A CHANCE           




















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From: "marmion116" <marmion116@netscapeonline.co.uk>
Subject: TPDIS: 25th Anniversary video
Date: 09 Apr 2000 21:15:51 +0100

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I HAVE SEEN THE VIDEO!!

Thanks to Jackie I have seen the 25th Anniversary video!
It was very very interesting to see and hear the cast talking about =
their experiences and to see just how much of their own characters was =
put into the parts they played.

The thing that struck me most was the way they are doing exactly what =
you would expect -

Nick Young, of course owns and runs a large successful company - what =
else would John be doing?

PVC is working with electrical equipment - sound and lighting - and I =
understand that he is always very difficult to get hold of, never =
exactly where he should be and he seems to spend a lot of time working =
abroad (obviously Stephen is still regularly  jaunting across the galaxy =
to work for Tikno)

Elizabeth is working with Inner City Children

Mike is still involved in Music, he is Joseph in the Cardiff production =
of Joseph and the Amazing  Technicolour Dreamcoat

I hope that somehow you all get to see the video
I understand that some bits of it will soon be available on the web

Carolyn




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From: "marmion116" <marmion116@netscapeonline.co.uk>
Subject: TPDIS: Re:killing
Date: 09 Apr 2000 21:01:12 +0100

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I have been giving this subject a lot of thought recently and trying to =
think of how any sort of 'prime inhibition' could possibly function

I have come to the conclusion that the only way it could possibly work =
is as an instict. I mean this in the same way that we talk about the =
survival instinct.

Obviously TP have the same survival instinct that saps do but the =
instinct not to kill is stronger.

this would mean that for a TP the motivation not to harm would be more =
dominant than the instinct to save themselves ie they would not find =
that they could kill to save their own lives

However, this would not make killing a total impossibility for TP - =
after all some saps overcome the instinct for self preservation from =
time to time (sacrificing their lives for others for example). This =
could also explain why the TP are not vegetarians (At least in the OS) =
and why Tyso could kill fish (for eg) -  the instinct is strongest with =
regard to humans and becomes weaker when dealing with other animals - in =
the same way that most people would protect their families with greater =
commitment than they would a group of strangers.

It would also mean that it would be possible to have TP who were =
mentally ill and could kill others.





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From: "Hately, Shaun" <Shaun.Hately@auspost.com.au>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: ADMIN: TCTP
Date: 10 Apr 2000 10:30:14 +1000

 > From: CMento6653@aol.com [mailto:CMento6653@aol.com]
 >
 > How can I get to it? Has there been any FIC posted? I have
 > not received any.
 > What is the URL to post to it? I have other fiction I would
 > like to post.
 > Thanks.

To subscribe to tpfict send an e-mail to majordomo@lists.xmission.com that
says:

subscribe tpfict

Once subscribed, to send to that list, send to tpfict@lists.xmission.com

TPFICT has rules (volume restrictions etc) which can be found at the
Galactic Federation page - I don't have the URL, nor access to the web at
work, so if someone else could post the URL for the mailing list rules, that
would be good (-8

 > Also of what nature were the complaints?

Nothing serious - basically that you were killing people with kindness (-8
TPDIS is a fairly low volume list, and a lot of the people on it can't seem
to handle large volumes of mail. All the TCTP stuff that has been posted has
overloaded some mailboxes. TPFICT, as a fiction list, has rules in place to
handle large posts and people on there are used to accepting them.

The complaints are *not* directed at you, nor are they something you should
worry about. Most people, even those who've complained, are, if anything,
grateful to see someone so willing to share. It's just that they can't
handle the volume.

Shaun
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From: Wendy Kelley <ladyslvr@xmission.com>
Subject: TPDIS: TPFICT archives & assorted rules
Date: 09 Apr 2000 19:59:51 -0500

The TPFICT archives are currently located at:

http://www.xmission.com/~ladyslvr/TPFICT/

There are Frames and No-Frames versions, but the Frames version is more
comprehensive.  The site has not been updated in a few weeks, although
there is material to update it with.  I just haven't had the time :(

Anything posted to the TPFICT mailing list will be archived eventually
unless it breaks some sort of list rule, or is otherwise inappropriate.

Rules are located on the archives.  They can also be received by sending
a request to me directly or sending the command "info TPFICT" to
majordomo@xmission.com.  Some of them are reiterated below:

You have to be subscribed to post to the list.  All posts sent to
the list should be fully labelled with the author, title, part number, total
number of parts and the series it belongs to.  For the hypothetical
original series story "White Rose", the email subject line should say
something similar to:
White Rose, Part # of ##

And the first information presented in the message should be:
White Rose
by AuthorName
Original Series Story
Part # of ##

Remember, parts and chapters do *not* need to match.  Parts
should be no more than 5-10 pages.  Chapters can be any length,
but must be divided into parts of the right length so they don't choke
the list.

Also, all content must be pasted directly into the email message.
The list cannot handle attachments.

If any of this is unclear, or if there are any questions about something
glossed over or not presented here or elsewhere, please contact me
before posting.



...
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From: Beth A Epstein <tptigger42@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: ADMIN: TCTP
Date: 09 Apr 2000 21:11:38 -0500



"Hately, Shaun" wrote:
> if someone else could post the URL for the mailing list rules, that
> would be good (-8
http://www.xmission.com/~ladyslvr/TPFICT/tpfict-rules.htm
They are also accessible off the archive in cool frames at
http://www.xmission.com/~ladyslvr/TPFICT/
Tigger



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: ADMIN: TCTP
Date: 09 Apr 2000 22:49:29 EDT

Thanks!



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: ADMIN: TCTP
Date: 09 Apr 2000 22:50:34 EDT

Okay and thanks for being kind too. I appreciate it. I cannot type too much 
tonight,hurt my hand 



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From: Michele Bumbarger <chelesedai@techie.com>
Subject: TPDIS: TP SIMS? Why Not?
Date: 11 Apr 2000 12:34:34 -0400 (EDT)

::DeLurk Mode Activated::

Hi all!

I recently got into a new computer game called "The Sims" (read: just bought
and played all weekend) (And if you don't know what this game is, you're
missing out on a world of fun.)


Anyhoo, I started thinking about it and I started wondering what would
happen with Sims modeled after the TP's. Which brings me to my question:

If you had to design Sims for the New Series TP's, how would you rate them
in the following areas: (You can spend 25 points total)

Neat
Outgoing
Active
Playful
Nice

Also, what sorts of careers do you see the TP's pursuing? Examples are
medicine, science, entertainment, criminal, police/law, business, sports.
(There are three more career tracks, but I'm blowing off steam at work, and
don't have the instruction manual in front of me right now)

I think it will be sort of fun to create TP Sims and see what happens, how
they interact together, etc.  If you guys help me out with this, I'll be
more than happy to share the results of my TP Sim experiment when it's done!
(I'll keep a photo album and create a SIMS web page and everything for
everyone to view)

Thanks!
Michele

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From: Michele Bumbarger <chelesedai@techie.com>
Subject: TPDIS: Addendum to Previous Message
Date: 11 Apr 2000 12:42:04 -0400 (EDT)

Um, I guess I should have mentioned which New Series TP's huh?

Well, to make it interesting, ALL of them (Adam, Lisa, MB, Kevin, Ami and
Jade). I don't know if I'll use ALL of them in my SIM household (managing
three SIMs is hard enough), but I'd love to get feedback/ideas on all of
them.

Michele

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From: "Shaun Hately" <drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP SIMS? Why Not?
Date: 12 Apr 2000 07:05:26 +1000

>
>Anyhoo, I started thinking about it and I started wondering what would
>happen with Sims modeled after the TP's. Which brings me to my question:


Heh - I got the Sims about a month ago - and yes, my Sims have been based on
the TP (old and new series) since that time. (-8

John and Liz seem unable to get along, Megabyte and Jade have a kid, Adam
died of malnutrition. Kevin has set the house on fire twice...

I may answer this post in more detail later - I have to get to work in a
minute. But TP sims are fun!

Shaun




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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP SIMS? Why Not?
Date: 11 Apr 2000 17:12:07 EDT

I am not sure what you want from us but it sounds like it might be fun. 
Speculation on the TP and the lives they would lead? 



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Addendum to Previous Message
Date: 11 Apr 2000 17:13:12 EDT

what about the "parallel" Kevin from the original NEW TP pilot half hour?



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From: "Michele Bumbarger" <mbumbarg@pair.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP SIMS? Why Not?
Date: 11 Apr 2000 17:48:32 -0400

"The Sims" is a simulation game where you create the "characters"
personalities and influence/control/watch their behavior and guide (or
don't guide) their lives. The character personalities are based on
points placed in the categories: Neat, Outgoing, Active, Playful, and
Nice and there are ten career choices that the character can follow.
So, I was looking for feedback to create TP characters and play with
them in the game. Does that clear it up?

Michele

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 5:12 PM


> I am not sure what you want from us but it sounds like it might be
fun.
> Speculation on the TP and the lives they would lead?
>




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From: Tony Nolan <t.nolan@uts.edu.au>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP SIMS? Why Not?
Date: 12 Apr 2000 08:01:24 +1000


Hi Michele,

One of my tasks is criminal profiling, never thought to use it on a TP,
might be interesting, as you can use the technique to profile target group.

Where does one find the sims ?

regards
tony



At 05:48 PM 4/11/00 -0400, you wrote:
>"The Sims" is a simulation game where you create the "characters"
>personalities and influence/control/watch their behavior and guide (or
>don't guide) their lives. The character personalities are based on
>points placed in the categories: Neat, Outgoing, Active, Playful, and
>Nice and there are ten career choices that the character can follow.
>So, I was looking for feedback to create TP characters and play with
>them in the game. Does that clear it up?
>
>Michele
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <CMento6653@aol.com>
>To: <tpdis@lists.xmission.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 5:12 PM
>Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP SIMS? Why Not?
>
>
>> I am not sure what you want from us but it sounds like it might be
>fun.
>> Speculation on the TP and the lives they would lead?
>>
>
>
>



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From: AgentRacerX@cs.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP SIMS? Why Not?
Date: 11 Apr 2000 18:34:51 EDT

In a message dated 4/11/00 5:55:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mbumbarg@pair.com writes:

> "The Sims" is a simulation game where you create the "characters"
>  personalities and influence/control/watch their behavior and guide (or
>  don't guide) their lives. The character personalities are based on
>  points placed in the categories: Neat, Outgoing, Active, Playful, and
>  Nice and there are ten career choices that the character can follow.
>  So, I was looking for feedback to create TP characters and play with
>  them in the game. Does that clear it up?
>  

Is there some sort of scale that the feedback should be based on?  Like, I'd 
guess that Megabyte has a pretty high Playful factor, but would this be, say, 
9 out of 10 Playful or something like that?

-Nicole (who just realized that she's still got a few b-day presents that 
people owe her <g>)



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From: Michele Bumbarger <chelesedai@techie.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP SIMS? Why Not?
Date: 12 Apr 2000 11:49:03 -0400 (EDT)

Well, at least someone understood what I wrote. I was beginning to
sing praises to the higher powers that I dropped my education major
before I destroyed lives by my inability to teach. :/

Okay, I'm going to try this again, although Nicole is on the right
track for what I'm looking for.

From the top: "The Sims" is a computer simulation game created by
Maxis (the same company that brought you SimCity, SimHospital
SimThemePark, SimFarm . .. are we seeing a SimTheme here? <Michele
ducks flying objects>). It's available for retail purchase wherever
you buy computer games. For more information go to the website
http://www.thesims.com.

::End Advertising::

In the game, you create characters (called SIMS) to occupy the houses
in a SIM neighborhood. These characters lead regular, happy (or
unhappy) little lives, just like you and I. They go to work, they
play, they eat, they sleep, they interact. The one bonus is that you
are god (in a manner of speaking). You can direct your Sims to get a
job, to cook dinner, to play the piano, to invite friends over, etc.
(Or you cannot advise them to do anything at all and just see what
happens)

You create SIMS based on five characteristics: Neat, Outgoing, Active,
Playful, and Nice. These weight and distribution of points into these
characteristics determine your SIMS personality, how they will act in
everyday life, how they interact with other SIMS and how they
make/don't make friends.

Now, what I want to do is create a SIM family of New Series TP's. In
order to do this, I need to create each character based on those
characteristics listed above. You get 25 points to distribute between
each of the characteristics, with a maximum of 10 points in any one
category (so technically, yes, a character could have a 10 in Neat, a
10 in Outgoing, and a 5 in Active; not a very well rounded character,
but so be it).

My question is how you would you describe/characterize the New Series
TP's with those characteristics and rules?

For example (and this is off the top of my head without thought):

Adam could be
Neat, 3
Outgoing, 5
Active, 6
Playful, 4
Nice, 7

Okay, have I managed to explain myself better? Anyone want to help me
out?

Michele

------Original Message------
Sent: April 11, 2000 10:34:51 PM GMT


In a message dated 4/11/00 5:55:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mbumbarg@pair.com writes:

> "The Sims" is a simulation game where you create the "characters"
>  personalities and influence/control/watch their behavior and guide
(or
>  don't guide) their lives. The character personalities are based on
>  points placed in the categories: Neat, Outgoing, Active, Playful,
and
>  Nice and there are ten career choices that the character can
follow.
>  So, I was looking for feedback to create TP characters and play
with
>  them in the game. Does that clear it up?
>

Is there some sort of scale that the feedback should be based on? 
Like, I'd
guess that Megabyte has a pretty high Playful factor, but would this
be, say,
9 out of 10 Playful or something like that?

-Nicole (who just realized that she's still got a few b-day presents
that
people owe her <g>)

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From: "Shaun Hately" <drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: TPDIS: Just got a mail from Lee Pressman
Date: 13 Apr 2000 19:41:40 +1000

The subject says it all - I just received an e-mail from Lee Pressman
correcting something on my TP site (-8

Shaun




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From: "Shaun Hately" <drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Just got a mail from Lee Pressman (more)
Date: 13 Apr 2000 19:46:00 +1000

Oh - he said I could e-mail him if there was anything else he could clear
up. I don't want to overwhelm the man - it's nice to know he takes an
interest - but is there anything anyone wants to ask?

Shaun




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From: tassierilla@juno.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Just got a mail from Lee Pressman (more)
Date: 13 Apr 2000 07:13:28 -0400

I realize i'm probably going to sound very uninformed, but who is Lee
Pressman?

Sarah

On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:46:00 +1000 "Shaun Hately"
<drednort@alphalink.com.au> writes:
> Oh - he said I could e-mail him if there was anything else he could 
> clear
> up. I don't want to overwhelm the man - it's nice to know he takes 
> an
> interest - but is there anything anyone wants to ask?
> 
> Shaun
> 
> 

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From: "Shaun Hately"<drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: TPDIS: X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm
Date: 13 Apr 2000 22:18:36 +1000


>I realize i'm probably going to sound very uninformed, but who 
>is Lee Pressman?

Sorry Sarah - I should have thought to make that clear. He was the co-writer
of The Culex Experiment, Monsoon Man, and writer of The Living Stones (his co-writer
on Culex and Monsoon, Grant Cathro authored The Rameses Connection)

Shaun.
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From: "Michael Matott" <greyfalconsaerie@hotmail.com>
Subject: TPDIS: Re: Lee Pressman mail
Date: 13 Apr 2000 05:46:23 PDT


heh.  where to begin?

I'd love to know what would have happened if there had been another season.  
Was Ami gone for good or would they have brought her back?  <What's so 
special about having just 3 tps?>

How much input did the writers have in the direction of the show and how 
much was dictated by the producers?  <we all know how Nickolodeon pushed to 
keep the show down at a 'kids' level to try and appeal to the 8-13 crowd 
instead of the 12-15 crowd>

Were there going to be any plans to expand the TPs powers to include control 
of some of the things we saw demonstrated? (I'm thinking specifically of 
Ami's demonstrations of clairvoyance, precognition, and telekinesis - all 
uncontrolled)

That's all I can think of for now, although I'm sure I could come up with a 
few others given time. :-)

mike
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From: Latimer84@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b,
Date: 13 Apr 2000 15:47:52 EDT

I'd love it if you could ask him if that stuff in the end of The Ramses 
Connection was supposed to be in hyperspace or not! Then we'd finish up a 
certain debate around here ;)

   -Geoff
"Children should always listen to their elders, but not necessarily do what 
they say."
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Pauling



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From: "David_M_Yates" <David_M_Yates@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Just got a mail from Lee Pressman (more)
Date: 13 Apr 2000 21:08:03 +0100





>Oh - he said I could e-mail him if there was anything else he could clear
>up. I don't want to overwhelm the man - it's nice to know he takes an
>interest - but is there anything anyone wants to ask?
>
>Shaun
You could ask him whether he, or anyone else connected with the show, has
any plans to make any more episodes.

Perhaps also, was there any plans to bring back Kevin and Lisa, and/or any
of the accepted background/characters from the original series.

That's all for now
David





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From: Tony Nolan <t.nolan@uts.edu.au>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b,
Date: 14 Apr 2000 06:34:14 +1000


What would he think of an idea to make a animated cartoon version of the TP
through Fan Fiction, and put on the internet ??


tony



At 10:18 PM 4/13/00 +1000, you wrote:
>From: tassierilla@juno.com <tassierilla@juno.com>
>
>>I realize i'm probably going to sound very uninformed, but who 
>>is Lee Pressman?
>
>Sorry Sarah - I should have thought to make that clear. He was the co-writer
>of The Culex Experiment, Monsoon Man, and writer of The Living Stones (his
co-writer
>on Culex and Monsoon, Grant Cathro authored The Rameses Connection)
>
>Shaun.
>http://www.alphalink.com.au/
>
>



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Just got a mail from Lee Pressman (more)
Date: 13 Apr 2000 21:28:52 EDT

when did he get involved with the TP---what were the early planning stages of 
the new TP show? Were there any earlier versions considered that had the 
original TP?



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From: andthesixarrived <andtheSixArrived@netscape.net>
Subject: TPDIS: os vs ns
Date: 18 Apr 2000 16:22:15 CDT

ok, so i was watching some of the old series, and i was wondering: how ca=
n
anyone like this stuff? its cheesy and corny! and on top of that, how
cananyone say it's better than the new series!?! the new series has a lot=

better writing and directing. The old series is soooo cheesy! I cant even=

begin to describe it. so, go ahead. all who are offended or in favor, pos=
tyour
reasons. i am curious.

(ps: i only saw the first 2 episodes; i am wondering if it gets any
better...doubt it)

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From: Vivian Arney <TIA-PALS@excite.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: os vs ns
Date: 18 Apr 2000 14:46:36 -0700 (PDT)


On 18 Apr 00 16:22:15 CDT, tpdis@lists.xmission.com wrote:

>  ok, so i was watching some of the old series, and i was wondering: how
can
>  anyone like this stuff? its cheesy and corny! and on top of that, how
>  cananyone say it's better than the new series!?! the new series has a lot
>  better writing and directing. The old series is soooo cheesy! I cant even
>  begin to describe it. so, go ahead. all who are offended or in favor,
postyour
>  reasons. i am curious.
>  
>  (ps: i only saw the first 2 episodes; i am wondering if it gets any
>  better...doubt it)

Okay, the original series IS kinda cheesy, kinda corny, but  it has a
certain charm that the new series NEVER developed.  IMHO
it's like the difference between Classic Trek and Next Generation - people
usually like one or the other, but few like both - I thought Next Generation
was incredibly boring and only watched the Q episodes.  I don't particularly
like the new series, but have no issue with those who do.  

viv

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From: Vivian Arney <TIA-PALS@excite.com>
Subject: TPDIS: FanFic Article
Date: 18 Apr 2000 14:50:54 -0700 (PDT)

Someone on another list sent this to me.  thought I'd share it with y'all.
>  http://slate.msn.com/Features/fanfic/fanfic.asp


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From: "Hately, Shaun" <Shaun.Hately@auspost.com.au>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: os vs ns
Date: 19 Apr 2000 11:50:51 +1000

> From: andthesixarrived [mailto:andtheSixArrived@netscape.net]
> 
> ok, so i was watching some of the old series, and i was 
> wondering: how can
> anyone like this stuff? its cheesy and corny! and on top of that, how
> cananyone say it's better than the new series!?! the new 
> series has a lot
> better writing and directing. The old series is soooo cheesy! 
> I cant even
> begin to describe it. so, go ahead. all who are offended or 
> in favor, postyour
> reasons. i am curious.
> 
> (ps: i only saw the first 2 episodes; i am wondering if it gets any
> better...doubt it)

Oooh, you're lucky I can't kill (-8

Seriously, I am an original series fan - I do like the new series, but the
original is still my favourite. I think some of your criticisms of the
original series are valid, but there are reasons why I still prefer the
original.

First of all, your criticisms. You mention you've only seen the first two
episodes - do you mean episodes or serials (ie, The first two episodes of
Slaves or Jedikiah, or Slaves of Jedikiah and The Medusa Strain - eight
episodes in total). It does make a difference - as the first two eps of
Slaves were very slow and very simple IMHO - mostly because they were
introducing people to the concepts involved - remember, you have the
advantage of knowing what the TP are, so a lot of the explanations, etc,
would be pointless - whereas they would have been necessary back in 1973.
This will still apply even if you've seen both SoJ and TMS - but it might be
a bit less noticeable.

In Slaves, they also went *way* overboard with some of the effects -
posterising images, etc. This did calm down as the series continued.

As for the acting, I agree the general quality of acting in the 90s version
is better - but if you've been watching only early episodes of the 70s
series you are not seeing the best of the actors nor the acting. Stephen
Salmon (Kenny) and Sammie Winmill (Carol) didn't survive the first series
and while Sammie Winmill can act - she really didn't seem to do it in the
Tomorrow People. Stephen Salmon on the other hand wasn't really an actor -
and was way over his head IMHO. As the series went on, you had Elizabeth
Adare (she came in, at the start of Season Two and was still there at the
end) who was an excellent actress. You got to see Phillip Gilbert (TIM)
playing the roles of Timus and Tikno - again, a fine actor. Some of the
acting skills are best forgotten - but there was some good acting in there.

And the story lines - I'm perfectly prepared to agree that the consistent
quality of the 1990s series was better - in that, on average, the stories
were better. But the 1970s series contained some real gems - a few stories
that, IMHO, blow the 1990s series out of the water.

The Blue and The Green, A Rift In Time, Secret Weapon, One Law, The Dirtiest
Business - I would place these above all but The Rameses Connection, in
terms of quality - The Rameses Connection from the 1990s series is
excellent, IMHO, and belongs in that list, although I'd place the Blue and
the Green, and A Rift In Time above it. Some other serials from the 1970s
version, while not better than the 90s verions stories, were just as good -
The Doomsday Men, Into The Unknown for a start. Of course, the 1970s version
also had some woeful stories - The Living Skins, Achilles Heel, A Man for
Emily (which I quite enjoy but *cannot* accept within the Tomorrow People -
I am now convinced Roger Price conceived that one after seeing Nick Young in
a X-rated film). These are my own preferences and dislikes, of course - but
it is those excellent stories from the mid-1970s, that make the original
series better than the new IMHO.

As for cheesy and corny - yes, the original series could be like that. So
could the 1990s version - look at Monsoon Man with Colonel Cobb, the twins
in The Culex Experiment, the three amigos of Rameses Connection (if they
hadn't been in it, that one would seriously challenge the Blue and the Green
for the best serial, IMHO). Cheese happens.

The 1970s series was less childish IMHO, as well. The 1990s version is a
kids show and deliberately so - and while the 1970s version was as well, it
wasn't, generally, as juvenile IMHO. Stories like Secret Weapon where it
emerges that Tyso is beaten by his father, the Heart of Sogguth with its use
of evil as a villain. The Dirtiest Business - that's the big one - where we
see mention of drug use, and prostitution - and in the end, the death of
someone the Tomorrow People want to save. There are parts where it is far
darker - where the downside of being a TP is seen more.

Also - the 1970s TP were more independent - in the 1990s version, parents
(and other adult relatives) play a bigger part. In the 1970s version, for
the most part, parents were so far in the background as to never be seen.
They weren't involved. John and Liz were adults - young adults, but adults
nonetheless - and they were the ones who lead and controlled things - in the
1990s series, things are weakened somewhat IMHO, by General Damon's constant
presence - OK, the 1990s TP don't listen to him much, but he's always there.
And they are all kids - Megabyte is the only one who you see any sign of
changing maturity in - that's not to say Adam isn't mature, nor Ami - but
they are really not much different at the end from when they started. During
the 1970s series, you saw Stephen, and Mike - and to a lesser extent, Tyso -
grow up, change, and mature. Both started out, fairly callow and
irresponsible - and both develop into responsible, and powerful figures.
This applies less to John and Liz - both of whom start out mature beyond
their years IMHO. (-8

The 1990s version never once struck me as real - I watch it and see it as a
story with no chance of ever feeling it was really possible. The 1970s
series though - I watch it and see it as something that could be - something
closer to a real possibility. And I like it.

Shaun
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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: tpdis; old vs new 
Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:02:56 EDT

The ideas! The mythos! The characters! The atmosphere!

The idea that there was a race of beings who were evolving from normal Earth 
beings, not via any help from alien  race or alien spaceship (hint, hint) who 
would become non violent, peaceful to the point that they couldn't kill. This 
was almost never explored on the 1990s TV show in any intelligent way. In 
addition they handled one of the best time changes ever in televised science 
fiction in A RIFT IN TIME. I also liked the Britishness of the 
show...everyone was very British and the location sequences were nice but 
this is one of the things it shares with the 1990 travesty. The Tp jaunted 
all the time, everywhere in the old show. There are plenty of walking, 
riding, driving and other unneeded sequences in the 1990 show...the Tp don't 
need them! As corny as it could get, it was never as bad as the 1990 first 
story. THE BLUE AND GREEN presented violence, ultra strange paintings, aliens 
who were raised on Earth but hatched into sort of anti TP---they needed 
violence to hatch, and some nice horror sequences as well as a clever villain 
who wasn't really evil, just out to protect his people as John was out to 
protect his.  There was something about the old show that created a whole 
mythos, even with only one or two stories. Sophostria, the Trig, the belts, 
the links to TIM, the telepathy, there was this whole mythology and shakey 
but nice continuity. The Lab was so much neater a place than the New lab in 
the later old series and much more interesting than the dull static Ship of 
the new series. Another idea that was nice and new for the time was TIM, the 
biocomputer. This character was one of the best ideas ever and was so well 
brought to life. TIM added to the New Series would have helped it all the 
more. THE DOOMSDAY MEN showed cults that want war and we certainly have those 
in real life and as well, it pitted the Tp against violent humans for once 
and also kept the Tp non violent while doing so, no mean feat. Then there 
were the aliens--so many and so varied, not always meticiously brought to 
life but the show was trying to please. It wasn't by the numbers as the 1990 
show was. And the fact that new Tp could spring out to life in any story and 
we never knew who it would be and if we did, we wondered what that person 
would be like as a Tp. Tricia becoming a Tp was much more exciting and heroic 
than say Jade becoming one. Jedikiah, Peter, Kulthans, Kleptons, Timus, 
Tykno, Cawston, and the Galactic Federation. Yes the show could be 
techincally inferior to the show of the 1990s but it was trying and more 
entertaining. One of the worst shows of the old series, A MAN FOR EMILY had 
so many good ideas packed into it: a Ship that controlled the dumb family 
that lived in it and kept them in the dark so it could continue to go on 
searching for suitable worlds for them to live on, cannibilism, healing by a 
Tp, aliens knowing about Earth from watching old TV transmissions and living 
up to those old transmissions, generations of people living on a ship, etc. 
One cannot hate a show for trying that hard. SECRET WEAPON was so much better 
than any story from the 1990 show. The acting was top notch and the 
seriousness of it couldn't be rivaled by the 1990 stories. The original show 
set up so much for a new show to use and with the tech of 1990, the new show 
should have been a total success. It wasn't. It had no heart, no legend, no 
mythology, no characters we really found out about. The old series had John, 
Liz, Stephen, and while we never found out much about them, we knew them. We 
liked them. And most of the TP was so good looking and charming. Of the new 
characters only Adam and Megabyte were, and perhaps Kevin. What they were was 
forgotten after the first story or so in the 1990 show and the thrust of the 
series: evolution into a psi species was not at the forefront. So we got just 
tired old alien invasion stories. If linked to the ideas of the old series, 
this might not have been so bad. But not only was the old series forgotten 
about, the stuff set up in the 1990 first story was forgotten about. It 
became LOIS AND CLARK with MONSOON MAN, INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHES with 
LIVING STONES, and even the best story, the Egypt one, had some silly 
elements that weren't needed. I cared about the moral dilemmas in the old Tp 
show, especially in SECRET WEAPON, DIRTIEST BUSINESS, DOOMSDAY MEN, CASTLE OF 
FEAR, and others.

The first season had lots of dark atmosphere. The second was strong in story 
and character. The third made more TP break out, always a good thing. Some 
left, some broke out. A near renegade Tp! Someone using powers for crime? 
Space trips, time trips, something the new show never did nor attempted 
despite the time to do so. Trouble with other countries and home 
governments--again, something the new show never did. And interesting series 
characters who returned--Cawston, Tricia, Bruce, Col. Masters, Chris...what 
did we get with the new show, Jade's aunt? By the way did Jade's dog bite the 
dust and die? I never found out.

In the next few posts I will post some articles I wrote awhile ago. They tell 
more of why I like the old series  so much more than the boring new. I didn't 
hate the new show but didn't think it was TOMORROW PEOPLE at all. It was 
simply kids with super powers against aliens and mad doctors. As another 
show, it might have been okay, say POWER FORCE or something like that. But as 
TP, it was a big let down. The TP were definitely not back!          



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: tpseason one 
Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:04:55 EDT

Taken as a whole, the first season of the original THE TOMORROW PEOPLE can be 
quite entertaining. The very first episode of the first tale, THE SLAVES OF 
JEDIKIAH, is very atmospheric from the opening of Stephen walking through the 
market to the end of episode one where he is stun-shot by Lefty. There was a 
real sense of mystery, not only about who the villain Jedikiah was but also 
as to who or what the Tomorrow People were. The first several episodes were 
almost dark and foreboding in many ways, even though there were plenty of 
daylight-daytime scenes---and in many ways this is repeated in the third 
story THE VANISHING EARTH. Far be it for the TOMORROW PEOPLE to need physical 
darkness to send out a feeling of dread and menace. 
    The location work wasn't overused in the first season--something which 
the new TP series could learn but what was there was used nicely--such as the 
market scene and Bentham Hall and the surrounding forest area. The location 
work also enhanced the third story VANISHING EARTH since it featured a large 
part of Clacton on the Sea amusement part including a pier from which Stephen 
was tossed off of. There was also some filming at what was supposed to be the 
Thames River banks and that was quite nice and very effective. The small 
amount of location work for the second story, arguable the weakest of the 
three, THE MEDUSA STRAIN, showed us more of an unused railway tunnel within 
which resided the Lab of the group. Previously, it had been seen only in the 
dark and from the outside of the door--by Jedikiah and Ginge. Laughable were 
all the still frames of London with Stephen and Carol superimposed in front 
of them in what was supposed to be a time frozen London. Eerie is one word 
for that. 
    But to get back to what really worked about the first season: the TP were 
mysteries. They were introduced to us as the camera panned through the lab, 
focusing more on the glass-like equipment, the tables and maps rather than 
the Tp themselves. They were seen mind talking early on and jaunting with 
explanations to come later in the first story. Kenny being introduced on the 
London bridge was fun and a bit odd--with this first sequence being very 
indicative of the series overall feel--quirky, fun, and a bit annoying in 
that you were always left feeling there was more to what was going on than 
what you actually saw. Fortunately, this time, answers were forthcoming. In 
succeeding episodes of the first season, we learned about the three T's, 
hyperspace, time travel, body energy and reanimation, psychometry, and more. 
But the mystery persisted: we were given only vague references to the 
Sophistrians (over the whole season) and the background of John, Carol, and 
Kenny. And although Kenny seemed annoying to many (rightly so), his TP was 
very powerful (at least early on). Witness how easily and creepily he 
destroys Jedikiah's trap device inside the Lab. Kenny seemed quite a strong 
telepath and this was mentioned early on. Unfortunately, he became the one to 
remain behind most of the time and seemed rather weak throughout most of the 
other segments with one major exception: he reanimated both John and 
Stephen---who had died. 
    We also found out about the far future in MEDUSA STRAIN. Peter, the Time 
Guardian tells Carol that in the future, the galaxy and presumably Earth and 
the rest of the universe will be populated by Tp. Rawbowski also talks as if 
the Tps and telepaths are everywhere and that most Norms-Saps are rarities. 
Peter also discloses that in the future TPs will be able to time travel but 
this is not really explained further--somehow I had the feeling that Peter 
and Carol were related in some way--perhaps they were part of the same line 
but there is no proof of this.
    At times, Ginge and Lefty, the two goons who were at first, helping 
Jedikiah (and in their first short scenes were VERY menacing and mean 
looking), could be annoying. However, Ginge, in particular, could enhance an 
episode with his quips and sarcastic comments. He was certainly an added 
delight to THE MEDUSA STRAIN, making fun of Rabowski almost all the time. By 
the time, THE VANISHING EARTH came along, he dominated entire sections of 
story--which wasn't always good. Clearly, he and Lefty (his sidekick who 
remained extremely quite all of the time) couldn't continue in the show if it 
were to be about the TP. Ginge made a good companion and to a lesser extent 
so did Lefty---since the TP were always seen as being smart when out with 
these two. The contrast was nice but sometimes annoying--ie--when John had to 
remove Ginge's hands from the center link table--this was not funny, nor 
interesting in any way and made Ginge look even more stupid than he was and 
made John look extremely patronizing. A sickening short moment on the show.
    The TP were what we wanted to know better and we soon did: John was at 
his most demonstrative and ordering, finding explanations for 
everything--usually wrong (recall his theory about Stephen being some type of 
shapechanger or android--when the boy was really taken over); Stephen at his 
most vulnerable and carefree--I really like his attitude to TIM about saying 
thank you and his mock-joy at finding out that Lefty and Ginge went to the 
amusement park; Carol---hmmmm, the less I say, the better I think; and the 
young and soon to be annoying Kenny. To be fair, Kenny never really annoyed 
me as much as Carol and he certainly didn't make me feel embarrassed to be 
watching. Something about the way she ranted and raved and screeched her 
overreaction just did not help. And I've seen the actress in other things and 
she is obviously very talented. Carol had some good moments though--mostly as 
trying to cheat John while playing chess and sometimes when she was 
stubbornly kicking down her heels at someone--usually TIM or John. She 
usually held her own when her intuition acted up and this justified her 
usefulness. One of the best scenes of the entire series---her explanation of 
the TP to a just broken out Stephen---shows her at her best---and her wide 
eyes helped the sequence greatly---showing us her fear without the latter 
overstatement of it.       
    As to the mix of villains and monsters: Jedikiah in his gray bearded fat 
man form was menacing; the robot form needed work but was okay considering 
the year this was made and that this was a children's show (but DOCTOR WHO 
was doing wonders with robot aliens way before this) but kind of hokey today; 
the cyclops Rash was really very awesome until he opened his mouth with that 
silly booming voice (interesting to see his point of view--that Earth people 
always wanted to kill his visiting people); the second dark haired Jedikiah 
form was even more menacing with a cold confidence and a sly, fox like-con 
artistry lacking in the previous incarnation; Rawbowski made for a very 
original villain-clown and somehow he was a likeable villain---a poor Sap in 
a telepath's universe still trying to make his mark; the ugly Medusa itself a 
nice concept but the large one was slightly silly looking, Rawbowski's robot 
servant added the presence of physical menace played by the excellent giant 
David Prowse; Spidron was best kept out of the light and hidden in the 
shadows--this was how this villain worked best; Joy-AKA Sandor was a 
beautiful woman who cared no more for life than the Spidron and as she 
callously tossed Stephen's body into the sea to die and laughed about it, she 
seemed to be the worst of the lot of bad "guys" this season. 
    Finding out about the TP was truly interesting--these people who couldn't 
kill, could do wondrous things, and were really just like us. Over the season 
we also traveled in time and faced an Earth threatening situation, globe 
hopping to help put it out. Hints were dropped at the end of the season--in 
the last episode of the VANISHING EARTH that Earth could no longer stay a 
closed world. The Tomorrow People had entertained a visiting Galactic 
Federation Officer (Harry---?---Steen)--and again we were treated to the 
appetizer to a hardy meal for the answers of the few next seasons. Who were 
the Galactic Federation beings?            
    While in no way perfect, the first season, then, can be seen as a 
success, usually entertaining, and always keeping us guessing.














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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: tpdis: season two
Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:05:40 EDT

Second Season

    In all, the second season of THE TOMORROW PEOPLE looked just about 
perfect. Ginge and Lefty were gone. The Lab was better lit (which did rob it 
of some of its mystery) and Carol and Kenny were also gone. This is the only 
time we had an explanation as to where vanishing characters had gone--to 
Overmind--an advisory group to the Galactic Federation. Thank goodness those 
four were gone. They never seemed right for the series to be taken seriously 
(!?) Stephen seemed to progress in personality and in the first tale of this 
second year, we were treated to more of his school life. Away from Carol and 
Kenny, Stephen's personality became more carefree and quirky and he seemed to 
drift away from school based ideas even more. In the first season, there was 
some talk of him being on a soccer team. Here, he couldn't wait to be away 
from school and rarely talked of soccer, if ever. 
    Over the course of this season, we saw Stephen's devil-may-care attitude 
helping Chris vanish his van away from the police, nearly giving the TP away 
while helping Professor Cawston help him track down a gladiator vase, and 
fooling around much more than in the previous season. He also seemed to lose 
his mocking tone while retaining his sense of humor--especially with newcomer 
Chris Harding. A motor accident left Ginge in hospital--his bike fell on his 
leg (and supposedly this is what really happened to the actor who played 
Ginge). Chris, his younger brother, filled the gap by becoming the new Tp 
companion. Chris, while also a bit on the slow side, was an improvement, 
usually helping the Tp and giving us, the viewers, someone who needed 
explanations--thus we were treated (?) to John's explanations of what was 
going on, mostly in A RIFT IN TIME (to both Chris and us). To be fair, almost 
no one knew what was going on in THE BLUE AND GREEN. The darkness of the 
stories came out even more in this season and there were plenty of night 
sequences with very atmospheric surroundings--Liz's walk through the city 
while the youngsters are being effected by the Degeneteeli alien paintings is 
very memorable, so too is Stephen's brief escape from Robert. Again, location 
work enhanced these images in one's mind and to one's eye. A RIFT IN TIME is 
possibly the best the series can get, handling the time change in much better 
fashion than any series before and after, thoroughly explained---and the past 
seemed pretty dank, dim, and dark. 
    THE DOOMSDAY MEN also had many dark images---and some of the first 
murders on the series, resulting in deaths that can't be overlooked. Even 
though the bodies fall off screen when shot by General McCellen, it is quite 
scary to realize the Tp have failed, however partially. 
    The nastiness of the "bad guys"  was more intense than in the previous 
season, lending a grittier feel to the characters and their evil deeds: 
Douglas, his grandfather, Robert and his aliens, Gaius and his two 
cohorts--Lothar and Guthrun all seemed thoroughly entrenched in their evil 
ways, deeds, and philosophies. Only their own needs mattered. The Doomsday 
Men wanted war in order for them not to be seen as obsolete. And the alien 
Robert said, "Nothing must stop the swarming."  The paintings seemed to 
dominate their entire story--with Liz calmly going to bed, exclaiming, "I 
hope the picture stays clear tomorrow."    That one short comment makes the 
paintings scary--as if they have already entrenched themselves into the daily 
lives of the people of the planet. Douglas enjoyed tormenting the younger 
boys all the time in the DOOMSDAY MEN training school, but wasn't beyond 
taking all the privileges of his "rank"  as the grandson of the head DD Man. 
And the rite into the DDMen was drinking BLOOD! Gaius lusted after the 
battles of the young trainees and enjoyed seeing everyone in the story squirm 
under his rule, especially Stephen and Coatus, who was once his "favorite"  
whatever that means. He relished the fights.
    The shining star of the season had to be the addition of Elizabeth Adare 
as Liz. Her background was explained somewhat--but in the actual series we 
never learn anything about her parents. She had a strong but sensitive 
personality and could handle most of the problems Stephen and John had with 
each other. And in both THE BLUE AND GREEN and A RIFT IN TIME, she still 
seemed to be a new TP trying to fit in with the group. She was also strong 
enough to make Stephen see the error of his ways when he went to Cawston and 
to make him apologize to John--and could later prove useful to Stephen--who 
usually sought her out to talk to. At first however, she had to rely on her 
former student to teach her about being a TP--such as being able to get to 
work as soon as you wake up. 
    While THE BLUE AND GREEN seemed far too long (I am glad it was the last 
five part story), A RIFT IN TIME seemed perfect with most of parts two and 
three taken to fix the time mix up. The first two episodes also gave us a 
much loved character in the form of Professor Cawston, a likeable 
parapsychologist who knew nothing of the Tp until Stephen's visit. He would 
return in two later stories in later seasons. Also quite cute and dotty was 
the old lady from whom Stephen lifted the vase from--Cawston's colleague 
Prof. Frieda Gardner played ably by Sylvia Coleridge (who has also been in 
DOCTOR WHO and BLAKE'S SEVEN) and the character is as daffy as can be. THE 
DOOMSDAY MEN gave us some needed humor as the TP avoid a policeman and also 
seemed quite tense and exciting at times--and gave us Liz putting both 
Stephen and John in their places, making Stephen feel guilty and putting 
John's pompousness down--getting John to do something he was opposed to with 
just few conversation in.                  
    Liz's breakout continued the tradition of dangerous breakouts which would 
be lost on the later Tps. In general, the breakout stories all throughout the 
show were the best of the tales including the later seasons. 
    DOOMSDAY MEN also featured one the best scenes of the entire 
series--which featured the dilemma of a Tp not being able to kill even when 
confronted with the threat of their own injury or death (a rare concept in TV 
and movies these days). Stephen at the end of the first episode was thrown a 
sword--which was pointed and could kill. Douglas and two other boys faced him 
with their swords. The cliffhanger left us wondering what he would---could do 
since TP can't kill. To me this dilemma was very interesting but in the next 
episode we learn he was once the fencing champ in school--and this certainly 
mixes in well with some of his sword fighting abilities in A RIFT IN TIME, 
which, by the way also featured the return of Peter, the Time Guardian.
    Peter was much more restrained in A RIFT IN TIME than he was in THE 
MEDUSA STRAIN. No longer with a screeching changing voice or an overreaction 
to everything, here, he was more reserved and seemed like someone who 
actually much older as a Time Guardian should--and at times, seemed to be 
more of a leader than previously---even leading John in some of the 
decisions. 
    Some of the other characters also deserve mention: Coatus played by Peter 
Duncan in A RIFT IN TIME and Stephen's companion Paul Frazier played by Simon 
Gipps Kent in THE DOOMSDAY MEN. One of the best things about this season were 
the cliffhangers: almost all of them were excellent with one exception: one 
of the BLUE AND GREEN cliffhangers was particularly poorly executed with 
Chris trying to prove to the police that John was once hidden behind the wall 
in Robert's cellar. Other than that the cliffhangers were all very good: one 
recalls Robert causing John to vanish, Stephen falling to face the sword of 
Guthrun, a truck about to run over an unconscious Stephen, Liz surrounded by 
angry, painting controlled teens, the alternate world of Rome which Chris and 
the Tp find themselves in, and almost all the others. This was indicative of 
a much improved show and an overall well done and entertaining series, if not 
perfect in every single aspect of story.     


























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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: tpdis: season three
Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:06:16 EDT

TOMORROW PEOPLE--Third Season

    The first season began the TOMORROW PEOPLE, the second refined the show 
and concept, fitting in with what went before, then the third experimented 
with the rules quite a bit. No other season before and after could be called 
so schizophrenic---we had what could be arguably the best story of both 
versions of the TP (SECRET WEAPON), what could be arguably the worst (as much 
as I hate to admit it, ACHILLES'S HEEL, is probably worse than A MAN FOR 
EMILY), and two rushed stories that could have been much better but were not 
all that bad and were highly entertaining (WORLDS AWAY, REVENGE OF JEDIKIAH). 
    None of the four stories could be said to be like the other in any way. 
SECRET WEAPON took place entirely on Earth and was deadly serious while A MAN 
FOR EMILY took place mostly on Earth and was deadly un-serious (and some feel 
unfunny). Some of it took place on an alien spaceship. WORLDS AWAY took place 
on an alien planet (Peeri) but didn't feature any spaceships although there 
were spaceships talked about--ships of the Kulthan which hovered over the 
planet snatching the sacrifices of the Vesh Takers for food and energy. Vesh 
were the sacrifices--and the TP of this alien-but 
very-like-Earth-for-budgetary-reasons-world. REVENGE OF JEDIKIAH was set 
wholly on Earth but seemed somewhat space and time oriented as it dealt with 
the return of Jedikiah, the only villain to ever return on the series--who 
was somewhat of a time traveler-survivor from ancient Egypt not to mention 
his having been in hyper space in the 26th Century and a space traveller to 
boot (from having also been on the ship of the Cyclops Rash). As enjoyable as 
it was, this script seemed to have the most loopholes of all the stories in 
the season. 
    A lot happened in this season: Timus and Tricia Conway first appeared, 
Professor Cawston reappeared with a much more involved role, a large 
spaceship hovered over Earth in orbit for the first time since SLAVES and a 
new breakout came. Tyso was not really known in his first tale, SECRET 
WEAPON, as he spent most of it under synaptril in a coma. In the second story 
of the season, WORLDS AWAY, we get more involved with him. His family appears 
in the first episode. WORLDS AWAY not only introduced Timus but also his 
clone brother Tykno both played by Phillip Gilbert (who did the voice of 
TIM), adding much humor to a very grim story of the telepath eating 
race---the Kulthan. Not really allowing a full live Kulthan to appear, the 
tale just gives us a glimpse of what they looked like through the disguise 
Tykno wore and the illusion guard in the pyramid on Earth--the structures 
having been built by the aliens--who also used Jedikiah to replace an 
Egyptian pharaoh who they did not like--as was explained in REVENGE OF 
JEDIKIAH, a tale brimming with references to the past of the TP--including 
talk of Peter. This season, more than most, was interconnected with 
references (for example to the Kulthan) running throughout the  stories as 
well as having Tricia, Timus, Tykno, Tyso's family mainly his sister 
Evergreen, and Cawston showing up quite a bit. Jedikiah was mostly seen only 
in the form of others whose images he used (Cawston's friend Winnie Johnson, 
Stephen, Evergreen, Sergeant Evans, Tricia, etc.). Only in the last episode 
did we see the Jedikiah which was seen in the SLAVES OF JEDIKIAH and no 
mention was made of his Roger Bizley form from THE MEDUSA STRAIN (which was 
somewhat more subtly menacing).
    Tricia seemed to be a good character to stir things up a bit. Once she 
broke out in REVENGE at the end of the season, expectations for her future 
were high. Alas, her character never returned--she was remaining on the Trig 
to train as a Galactic Agent as was later told in the fourth season opener 
ONE LAW. She and John could have had some fights as to how to run the TP, had 
she returned to the Lab. Tricia was a missed opportunity to add spice to the 
group. One of the high points is Tricia's breakout and rescue of the TP by 
turning TIM on to call for help. This surprised a lot of viewers. Even the 
most critical among the audience was pleased by this turn of events.
    Cawston was one of the series' greatest and most realistic 
characters---he was also a nice guy as Stephen realized early on in the 
second season's A RIFT IN TIME. Cawston could also bluff and be sarcastic and 
gave Colonel Masters more than a few moments of sweating nervousness when he 
suggested the TP could be in the room without them knowing about it. He also 
fared pretty well against Tricia in the season, telling her just what he 
thought of her betrayal to other telepaths and her disbelief in shape 
changing bionic robots.  
    Timus is another of the great characters, yet for all his huff, the 
character hardly saw much action except, of course for his facing off of 
Jedikiah in the end of REVENGE OF JEDIKIAH. Timus added much humor to the 
season, indeed, to all the stories he was in. Funny, and mismatched to 
Earth's customs, not being aware of them, he could also be very cryptic as 
when he showed John and Liz the pyramids in WORLDS AWAY and as to when he 
smiled wryly when discussing that the real ruler of the Egyptians was 
disposed of. It was also odd that Tykno, more action oriented than Timus, 
told TIM that Jedikiah had as much right to call himself an Earthling as 
anyone. 
    Unfortunately, we found out very little about Timus, Cawston, Tricia, and 
all the rest. I suppose that kept a lot of the mystery alive and this is all 
well and good. This could also work against the show: for instance, what is 
Jedikiah--a shapechanger, a robot, a bionic shapechanger? Who made him--did 
Rash the Cyclops make him? What planet was Timus from? Did Cawston have his 
own family?         The series looked good in this season. While SECRET 
WEAPON had mostly indoor studio bound sequences, there was some nice outdoor 
shots. WORLDS AWAY had some as well as well as some poor CSO effects. John 
and the others trailing through the forest was a nice touch. REVENGE also had 
location work mostly based around the trailer home of Tyso and family. A MAN 
FOR EMILY probably had the most with the mad chase around the police station, 
London streets, fields, with some nice shots of Stephen appearing in front of 
the police convoy. 
    It also seems ironic A MAN FOR EMILY, an outrageous and embarrassing 
comedy, contains one of the most nerve wracking death scenes of the series: 
Elmer, the dunce, shoots a store keeper, without even realizing he just 
killed the man. We see the man go down, blood on him. Stephen arrives and 
reanimates the man, quelling our fears that the reanimation technique from 
THE MEDUSA STRAIN was just a one time event. A MAN FOR EMILY did have some 
good ideas: a spaceship that controlled the people within because they were 
too stupid, aliens who had transmissions from Earth influencing the way they 
thought of us, that bizarre ritual where the women eat their men, the ship 
having bypassed other planets to keep itself alive, idiots with enough 
sophisicated weaponry to blow up the Earth. Not ideas to be laughed at. Which 
is exactly why A MAN FOR EMILY went so wrong.    
    Images that stick in one's mind from this season: the cliffhangers from 
SECRET WEAPON with Liz the brunt of most of Col. Masters' plans, Tyso getting 
his foot caught in an animal trap, the overacting of the Vesh Taker, the 
excellent acting from the actors who played Cawston and Masters, Tricia's 
face when she realizes that John was correct about her missed chance of 
becoming a TP but that she could still become one ("It's not too late"), 
Stephen and John, not to mention Tyso, looking ridiculous in cowboy outfits, 
the Prime Minister's abduction by Chris and John from his moving car to the 
lab, Chris' speech to the PM about how the TP are the hope of mankind, Liz's 
clean phone trick to see whether or not Cawston could be trusted (and for 
awhile I had my doubts about him), the bugging and debugging of Cawston's 
office, the explosion as Liz hurls the device out of Cawston's office window, 
Timus' hilarious introduction to the group---with Tyso and Stephen full of 
mud from having to pull Sam, one of Tyso's brothers out of a swamp, TIM's 
insistence on being cleaned and forcing formality onto the others over Timus' 
arrival in the lab (it seemed to me that there were more visitors to the Lab 
in this season than all the others put together), the conversations about war 
and peace, Jedikiah's cold bloodedness in his last story, all the 
aforementioned continuity, and finally the darkening of the Lab at the very 
end of the season: it certainly had me worried that this was the end of the 
show--and that the Tp would never return from the Trig to the Lab. A very 
atmospheric and wonderful scene, if a bit risky and experimental---but that 
describes the whole of season three.        
    






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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: tpdis: seasons 4,5,6 
Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:08:58 EDT


REVIEW OF SEASON FOUR

Well, the so called season is only seven episodes! The Tomorrow People return 
to Earth one by one in a few nicely done sequences intermingled with very 
well made and acted segments introducing Mike Bell. Mike was much tougher 
when he was first introduced and seemingly a bit smarter. It wouldn't be long 
before he was off visiting exploding volcanos and wearing Hitler Youth 
uniforms. He also gave one the idea and feel of a rebel and someone who 
wasn't so goody goody. 

In the same story ONE LAW, we find out Tyso isn't such a goody goody when he 
and his dad are being chased by the law for poaching. Apparently Mike had 
already broken out and much theory is discussed by Liz, John, and Stephen 
about how maybe they shouldn't try to contact a newly breaking out TP--it 
might just make things worse. The novel ONE LAW gives us more about all of 
this and tells us that 
Mike actually breaks out in Lord Dunning's basement cell while he is being 
held with his mother and sister, who both go nameless and who both say 
nothing in the entire episode. In the novel, the mother, at least is a bit 
more fleshed out. We are given some background to her and to her plight--she 
once stole some bread and spent in time in a jail (Holoway prison?). No 
mention is made of Mike's father. 

I enjoyed all the confrontational scenes between Mike and the other four TP. 
The O'Reilly sequences gave Mike a bit of a sympathetic edge--he was very 
nice to this rather silly and troublesome old man---and the TP's efforts to 
question O'Reilly were fun. 

Mike's mom and sister do not reappear in the season or in the series ever 
again and are never even mentioned again! Location work for the whole season 
was contained in this story only and the runaround in the forestry estate of 
Dunning as Mike tries to usher his mom and sister away from the house is 
refreshing, with some jazzy James Bond like music accompanying it---sounding 
a bit like stock music but fitting all the same. 

Inspector Reg Burke was somewhat irritating but he could be kind of funny at 
times. Two Tone and Slow, the thugs of Lord Dunning populate the first two 
episodes and in the first Mike gives them their comeuppance as he does to 
Dunning in the third. The two goofs are actually a parody of Kojak and his 
brother from that series. While they were anything but subtle (and also well 
acted, if a bit goofy) Dunning was a very subtle and menacing character, 
although I find it puzzling as to why someone who is obviously already as 
rich as Dunning would want to steal more from a bank !? Mike telling Dunning, 
"You and your kind can't do anything against me,"  is great---it gives one 
the feeling that this cocky and headstrong kid could do whatever he wants as 
a super strong telepath and in the second tale, INTO THE UNKNOWN, this 
cockiness, while diluted somewhat by his fear of being in space in the last 
two episodes, he is also cocky, telling the much larger and meaner alien 
Vaktaan to, "Push off"  and get leave him alone as the large man seems to 
mock Mike's puniness. 

In the novel ONE LAW, Mike finds out about his power to jaunt when he saves a 
little girl from being run over by a car, one that is described suspiciously 
like Dunning's. This is not in the televised version. There is a strange feel 
to INTO THE UNKNOWN. Perhaps it is the fact that it was not written by Roger 
Price who wrote or co wrote every other story--no wonder that by this time, 
he was somewhat burnt out on the TP (in addition, he wrote the novels and the 
Look In comics). It starts out with Mike using TIM for composing a pop song 
in what is a good bit of character interplay between he, TIM, John, and Liz. 

Stephen is in this story, alas, his last. He is quite big here and tall and 
not much different from John at this stage of the game---he would have made 
an excellent leader but those shoes were already filled. He interacts with 
Mike over his eagerness and puts him in his place, much as John interacted 
with Stephen himself in the past. Stephen also seemed quite smart in this 
one, aiding John in his discovery of TirAyaan's secret plot to send the 
Fathership into the hole to rid him and his people of Vaktaan. 

Tyso is here, also for the last time. He does very little but his scenes with 
TIM and Timus, in particular are fun. He holds his own against Timus's 
ineffectiveness. Strange that Timus can make Jedikiah a human being in the 
last season as well as reviving John, Tykno, and Liz to life after they were 
shot, but can't do anything to help the TP who are stuck in the strange hole 
in space. Admittedly not a realistic hole in space, it is nevertheless, a 
good original twist (to use a pun) to the idea of a new and weird space 
phenomena. 

TirAyaan seemed to have something up his large and long sleeves and I must 
admit to not trusting him totally. He would have made a very good villain in 
the future if we found out his motives were less than pure--he was after all 
some kind of dictator or absolute ruler ridding himself of some of the 
Council of his planet--just who was the bad guy here? On the other hand, 
Kwann I totally trusted. His devotion to the TP and his father were admirable 
and he didn't even seem too hateful of his enemies, being somewhat more 
peaceful than even the TP. 

One area that is interesting is John's sense shattering jaunt from the 
Fathership to the Shuttle---it is here that the original series experiments 
and succeeds--doing things they never have before and showing powers that 
were not tried before--something the new show could have learned from. It was 
nice to see Liz explaining some things to the new TP, Mike (as the spectra 
shift), something we saw too little of in the show (the training of new TP). 

With one story returning four of the TP to Earth from space and the other 
sending four of the five back into space, this was a somewhat schizo and 
short season but the tales are very enjoyable and the series hasn't yet lost 
any ground. The vanishing of Stephen and Tyso in the next short season, no 
explanation given, hurt the show. The settings are varied again: ONE LAW 
takes place almost exclusively on Earth--I would have loved to see some of 
the Tp's stay at the Trig---while INTO THE UNKNOWN takes place in space for a 
majority of the time. What happened when the aliens were returned by the TP 
to their planet Rigora? Did they effect the changes Tirayaan talked 
about--and alluded to that he was too set in his ways to change--and perhaps 
allow? It would have made a good sequel. One story I have is just such a 
sequel but taking place in 1990.

The two stories were far from perfect but they were not all that bad either. 
The series survived A MAN FOR EMILY with these two tales. This season, at 
least, was not at all embarrassing.







































SEASON FIVE review

This season experimented quite a bit with the formula just as Season Three 
did. While Season Four's shortness is reiterated here, Season Four played it 
safe with rather traditional stories (INTO THE UNKNOWN had some wild things 
going on but it wasn't too different). Season Five, on the other hand, tried 
new and different things for the show. It had to--it had lost two very good 
characters in Stephen and Tyso. Stephen had been around a lot longer and did 
more but he really had more ahead of him. Tyso, we hardly had a chance. He 
was just beginning to find his background and past and viewers should have 
expected growth upon that. Alas, this season started out with the hinderance 
of losing two vital and driven characters. There is no explanation given to 
their whereabouts and this also hurt the series, which up to now, at least 
had some kind of continuity. As the characters on MYSTERY SCIENCE THEATER 
might say, "They just didn't care." 

Noting that, THE DIRTIEST BUSINESS proves that Season Five still had a 
chance. The tale builds on SECRET WEAPON somewhat and in many ways it betters 
it. The acting is not as good and Mike and Pavla sometimes get on one's 
nerves with their coy love platitudes: they hardly know each other even at 
the time of her death. But they were young actors and both did a very good 
job with what they had. What they had was a good tight script, perhaps helped 
by the fact that this story was a two parter. Some tales in the past, THE 
BLUE AND GREEN for one, could have lost an episode or two, while others such 
as ONE LAW might have been better if they had gained one episode. Many of the 
shorter tales, such as A MUCH NEEDED HOLIDAY and HEART OF SOGGOTH this season 
five, seem to have such depth but appear to be presented with missing parts, 
leaving the audience with the idea that they have missed something. Indeed, 
the novelizations of ONE LAW and the stories in Season Six prove this to be 
true. There was a great deal more information given and in ONE LAW, an entire 
sequence where Stephen visits Mrs. Bell. The time between Mike's being freed 
from Dunning's house and the time Stephen and Tyso train him contain many 
more ideas and scenes that we didn't see. I wonder how many scenes were 
dropped from THE DIRTIEST BUSINESS, A MUCH NEEDED HOLIDAY, and THE HEART OF 
SOGGOTH, all three two parters from this season. Thus, the two parters tend 
to disappoint for their brevity. 

DIRTIEST BUSINESS, admittedly, would have been better served if Pavla were a 
main and regularly appearing character and then had died saving Mike the way 
she did. A soap opera format would have made her death scene hit us with more 
impact---but perhaps this is not what was wanted on a children's series. It 
is really quite a shock all the same. 

Villains this season were multi faceted and also very different from one 
another. Major Ann Turner was a human who cared about the TP and people in 
general but didn't care if she had to sacrifice Pavla--she didn't want her to 
die nor did she want Mike to die and tried to save him--she, like Col. 
Masters before her was just obligated to do her duty. She did seem very cold 
at first though. 

The two Russians were equally dimensional: the leader didn't want to kill 
Pavla but did, using his machine to explode her, not having to see the result 
of his handiwork death wielding power. I often wondered why he felt so 
moved--was he related to the girl in some way. The underling, Sergi, also did 
not seem as if he wanted Pavla to die and perhaps he had some motive as well. 
Both were very human indeed. 

Jake Marston in THE HEART OF SOGGOTH was one totally given over to the devil, 
aka Soggoth. He was a college professor, actually seemingly respected by his 
students (at least the ones we met such as Susan Gill seemed not to dislike 
him or mock him in any way). Jake was, as many cultists are, driven by 
fanatical desires to serve his master's will, and by greed for grabbing some 
of Soggoth's power for himself. He was ruthless and wanted John to kill Liz. 
Even so, when John couldn't (since he was a TP and they can't kill--although 
John came close under the evil influence of the powerful Soggoth) Jake took 
up the knife himself to do it. He failed since Liz jaunted away but he wasn't 
squeamish about doing so. Jake also didn't care if Mike used Liz to find out 
about the African drum but he did use Liz's seeming jealousy against the band 
and Liz herself. Jake took on the role of driving the boys and replacing Liz 
in their hearts (to risk another bad pun) as John notes to her. Jake was an 
underling but he also seemed to have his own plans for getting power. It 
should be noted that there were other cult members shown--several times. They 
must still be out there...

Gremlon and his cohort Kleptons are from a planet that believes in slavery to 
meet their own ends. They too want something: the gold in the mines and they 
use the children of the planet Gallia to get it for them. In the novel (which 
had the team of John, Liz, Tyso and Stephen rather than John, Liz, and Mike), 
we learn they killed Trig's older brother and his team that went out to greet 
them. Only one survived. The Kleptons, in both the novel and an even earlier 
version in the Look In comics (which had the team of John, Carol, Kenny, and 
a younger Stephen), were portrayed as regular humanoid men with beards and 
stocky bodies using hounds to track the escaped boys. The preferred version, 
this time, is the TV versions, with their seemingly worm eaten green 
faces--they look very alien, if a bit cumbersome. One of my friends who wrote 
a novelization of all the tales, refers to them as the Jiffy Pop Aliens (JFA) 
due to the way their headpieces look. Strange and goofy as they may seem, 
these aliens are probably the most well thought out in visual design and look 
of the entire series. These aliens are just mean and they are also given to 
torture and cruelty to children (witness what they do to Trig, Trog, Mike and 
the other Gallian children).

Again, we have different tales, one taking place mostly in London but 
involving Russians and off camera, a revisit to the Prime Minister (I did 
wish for more links to SECRET WEAPON-there were still more the mind 
controlling devices loose in Russia remember), a car chase around the city, 
and even at a disco-restaurant or two. Another took place almost totally (the 
pre credit sequence involving a link to the earlier THE DIRTIEST BUSINESS as 
Mike feels sorry he caused Pavla's death) on another planet--the nicely 
conceived Gallia (which looks very alien in design, unlike the very Earthy 
Peeri in WORLD'S AWAY or A MUCH NEEDED HOLIDAY-the comic and novel versions 
of this story which also looked earth like). HEART OF SOGGOTH took place in 
discos and at a TV studio as well as a cult headquarters. HEART OF SOGGOTH 
sets up a very menacing atmosphere to it which builds and reminds me of the 
classic film CURSE OF THE DEMON from 1957 with Dana Andrews.

Mike's headstrong ways once more come to the fore as he ignores John's orders 
to jaunt and leave Trog, the little boy Gallian, does his best to save Pavla 
on his own (at one time mentioning he would like to be a James Bond type 
which John tells him they cannot), and telling Liz off when she interrupts 
his concert when it looks as if it were possessed by the devil. Mike also 
shows his soft side by telling John perhaps they should go to church 
admitting they shouldn't be quick to cast off God and other supernatural 
things as just baloney. If the series had to lose Tyso and Stephen, it was 
lucky to have such a strong character and actor to replace them with. Yet, 
they were still missed. It was interesting to find out John never went to a 
disco and wasn't sure he'd really like it. This showed a human fault to his 
personality--he felt silly revealing this to Liz. 

The clothing in A MUCH NEEDED HOLIDAY is quite a change. Liz's dresses and 
outfits were interesting as were the alien Gallian outfits. Mike also got to 
reveal quite a bit of skin here as did John. But for once, the costumes 
looked alien and also came off as pretty and colorful.                   

This season put Mike through the ringer (he was nearly stabbed in the neck 
after being punched in the face, hogtied and dragged off by horses and riders 
to be put in a small, cramped cell in a cave, tranquilized several times, 
possessed by Soggoth and the drum and was too close to Jake when Liz shot the 
drum out from under Mike himself, and guilt ridden over losing his first true 
love to death by his own moves). Yet, he came through it all, changed but 
intact.

If Season Five were any indication of the show's future without Stephen and 
Tyso, then it would live on with some quality behind it, despite operating 
under the deficit. Whether or not this was to be, remains to be seen.   










SEASON SIX

Well, another six episode season, this entire thing was novelized into one 
novel (and as with A MUCH NEEDED HOLIDAY via the anthology FOUR INTO THREE 
and also ONE LAW, there is more information in the novel than we saw or heard 
televised). The soldier who held Hsui Tai and even shot her, tries to save 
her as the island blows up and John reveals that his father fought in WWII 
and Mike's did also.  

Hsui Tai, ahh yes, no one seems to like her much. Except me. It isn't so much 
the idea that is bothersome--the concept behind the character is very good 
and interesting--I think it would have been better handled by an actress with 
more experience. But, none of the regular cast had extensive experience and 
certainly the woman who played Hsui Tai probably had the least. That not 
withstanding, she really doesn't come across much in this season but just her 
unusual background is enough to make her interesting and different from the 
others. This isn't played up too much during this season but would be in the 
next season (when she tries to understand Bruce Forbes and her interaction 
with Andrew). 

Getting Hsui Tai wasn't so bad in and of itself----but losing Elizabeth at 
the same time really hurt the series. Ms. Adare presumably went off to have a 
baby and appeared only briefly in the first story, THE LOST GODS, on a view 
screen, calling from the cold planet Seton, working for the Trig. At least 
this time, we had an explanation. Being more naive and not very with it, 
having been tucked away in a monastery all her life, Hsui Tai didn't have the 
edge that Liz did. When she mixed with Andrew, Liz, and Mike more next 
season, she seemed much better than in this season. And she also seemed to 
bring back the peaceful aspects of the TP. I mean in this season we have Mike 
fighting back against the monks and also see how John can deck a youth who 
was decked out in Nazi gear. There is also the attack on the guards by John 
and Mike in THE THARGON MENACE. Hsui Tai also complemented the brash, 
outspoken Mike, being almost his total opposite. It seemed that they were 
getting along with each other from the outset, perhaps more to do with the 
fact that Hsui Tai once thought him a god.

The series, for me, started to really get embarrassing, A MAN FOR EMILY aside 
as just a one time thing, a fluke really, with the last show of this season, 
THE THARGON MENACE. If not for next season's ACHILLES'S HEEL, this one might 
be the very worst story ever. The puppet robots were the real problem. Mike 
seemed to be sleep walking through it all (oh yes, and at one point wants to 
go view an erupting volcano dressed in Hawaii summer clothes and no 
protective gear), Hsui Tai was around as just a victim (she was blinded, shot 
at and nearly reshot ? huh ?), and the villain Pappa Minn was really hammy. 
Not campy, hammy. Did the actor think he was going over the top or acting 
seriously? It is hard to tell. Without any real menace until he is up in 
space aiming at the countries, this Idi Amin clone, needed more to him. 
John's hoping that it was the last of him at the end seemed not quite right 
somehow--aren't TP supposed to feel bad when anyone dies? It also goes 
against John wanting to stop the Thargon commander from firing on Minn, 
Flynn, and Sula.


Compared to Minn, the two Thargon villains, Flynn and Sula, are more sneaky, 
less violent as Thargons go, but liars from the start. This plot reminded me 
a great deal of SPACE: 1999's THE EXILES (incidently with Peter Duncan, Cotus 
in  A RIFT IN TIME). In both, two alien youths claim they are on the run from 
tyrants and seek help from the main characters. In both, the alien children 
turn out to be the bad ones and in both, the main characters turn on them and 
help the really good guys. On the plus side, the actual Thargon aliens aren't 
really badly portrayed, just their silly puppet robots and those childish 
voices! Needless to say THE EXILES handles the entire thing on much more 
entertaining level. So for me this is where the rot set in.

Similarly, the plot of HITLER'S LAST SECRET was better handled on THE NEW 
AVENGERS. On TP, the twist is that Hitler was actually an alien, and an ugly 
blob faced one to boot. Nice twist and there were more than a few other nasty 
types running around including 40 year old Nazi children, their youth 
preserved, ready to gun down even their own deserting comrade (with that 
subplot, the reanimation of Hitler, the genes plot and the TV broadcast plot 
this one had too much going on in it---but I think I liked that much going 
on-it helped break this routine Nazi story into something else--what I have 
no idea! Just kidding). 

And of course the silly old professor, all the more menacing for being a 
daffy old coot--with an evil agenda. The Sage in THE LOST GODS was not a nice 
guy since he was perfectly willing to let children die in the fires even 
after he found out that they were not reborn but really did die! In the 
novel, it is said that Hsui Tai recalled at least three occasions that three 
other children were burned in the fires--dead. Matsu Tan was pleasant enough 
and we find out more about him in the novel (surprise, surprise!). A nice 
smaller story, this one was okay. 

HITLER'S LAST STAND introduced what seemed like a rip off of the Brigadier 
from DOCTOR WHO with a certain Major Hughes, now head of the SIS. His 
military seemed to work with the TP more than any other before. The contrast 
between his callousness (when he finds the run down boy, he is not too 
squeamish), coldness, and military mind against that of the TP makes a 
colorful, if sometimes mundane mix. Thankfully he didn't reappear at all. 
Once in a while wouldn't have been too bad--but there weren't many more 
stories to go!

Another major loss this season was the original lab set and the original TIM. 
This wonderful set was perhaps the only set on the series that actually 
looked very well done and imaginative. Now, it was gone, with Mike and John 
telling Liz that since the SIS knew where the old lab was, they had to build 
a new one. Where this one was supposed to be was anyone's guess. Was it a few 
miles deeper, farther back than the old one, on Earth, the Moon, or some 
faraway planet as John tempted Major Hughes with in HITLER'S LAST SECRET ? To 
the best of my recall, we never did find out where this lab was but somehow 
one did get the feeling that it wasn't too far from Earth and probably on 
Earth itself. This lab was supposed to be larger, yet the main room, more 
sanitary and brighter lit, looked smaller. There were separate individual 
bedrooms which was nice but I preferred the old lab and the pull out beds in 
the alcoves. It looked scientific and even partially alien, which would make 
sense. This new one just looked too static and still. 

Also gone were the jaunting belts, something which I feel was a much better 
change. The jaunting bands were easier to hide and didn't take up too much 
space. The belts never seemed right somehow, even though they afforded more 
chances for the TP to get themselves into their own brand of patented trouble.
   
This, the second season in a row to have only six individual episodes (season 
four had seven episodes; season five had six; and this one had six), this 
merely wet the appetite for more---which would arrive but not too soon and 
not in any great quantity (alas another season of six segments).              
         













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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: tpdis: season two
Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:19:59 EDT

PLANETS OF TP UNIVERSE: 

Sophistra-a "lovely"  planet or at least that is how the TP described it. 
Carol, John, and Kenny visited it once or twice. It was populated by what 
seemed to be kindly old philosopers who we know had crusier class ships (one 
took Rash, the Cyclops home in THE SLAVES OF JEDIKIAH after the TP matter 
transferred him to it).

Spyra-Kenny went on a mission to this world but we know nothing about it. 
Kenny does return though. Apparently it is a planet of Spies--get it, huh?

Rigora-located in the Alpha Star Region of the Regus 7 star cluster, this 
planet appeared to have a few rebellious non-contents, ruled by one man, 
Tir-Ay-Ann, father of Kwann although they also had the Cheifs of Rigora. They 
have advanced spaceships called Fatherships and smaller ones known as 
shuttles. These ships have strong forcefields which, not designed for, 
nevertheless, block the powers of TP. By the end of the episode INTO THE 
UNKNOWN, Tir-Ay-Ann and Kwann seemed to want to know more about democracy. So 
maybe that will change their government but I doubt that would happen so fast.

Adonisia--Carol married an Adonisian counselor, described in the novels as 
somewhat birdlike in look and communication, beautiful looking beings, not 
unlike birds and angels. Carol had at least one son named Nova. Their 
language is very different from Earth's languages, being clicks and chirps.

Rexell 4-Stephen claimed to have visited Rexell 4 in THE BLUE AND THE 
GREEN--a planet with strange rock formations and odd colors all around it. 
This was painted by one of Robert's people. The planet itself seemed to be a 
flat plain.

QX5-another planet mentioned during THE BLUE AND THE GREEN--another planet 
painted by someone on Earth--one of the alien Degenerteeli--Robert's people 
named Gavin Watson, the 8th planet of two suns. The planet itself has two 
suns and is very pretty at certain times of the year.   

Gallia-dry, desert like primitive planet with caves of gold--and hills, 
strange planet life that seem to be more alive than the plants of Earth; a 
very large sun. Some pools of water and gas litter the planet. The natives 
seem very peaceful (when the alien slave masters--the Klepton aren't using 
their male children to dig in the mines) and live in adobe type clay huts and 
towns. The people speak a very different language. The inhabitants are said 
to be non telepathic but Timus seems able to make them talk in English. 

Robos IV-also called Vashir-the planet of Nebor, a shape changing blob faced 
alien who was one of the fake Hitlers during WWII. (The other Hitler fake was 
AC Pritchard of the year 2300 AD as Rubowski tells us in THE MEDUSA STRAIN).

The Medusa home world-this planet has these Medusas to feed on the 
overpopulated telepathic life forms that dominate the world and keeps a 
status on the population growth. Off the planet, they can grow much larger, 
green ugly blobs with tentacles and bug eyes.

Peeri-a forestry planet with some rocks and caves--and pyramids built by the 
Kulthan as they did on Earth. The planet also has castles similar to Medevil 
Castles on Earth--with dungeons. The Vesh, the TP of this world, are 
persecuted by the religion the Kulthan have set up---and the Vesh Takers are 
to round them up using Vesh Hounds and villagers to burn them atop the castle 
roofs--on stakes. Another primitive planet but not as primitive as 
Gallia--and not as peaceful. However, when the TP stop the Kulthan machines, 
the Vesh-TPs can realize their full powers and be full TP. It is bright and 
hazy at times, but at others looks as if it has just rained.

Planebos-is the detention center mentioned in ACHILLES' HEEL and where Cantor 
was imprisoned. Yagon helped him escape.

Galactic Federation--this Federation of Telepathic Worlds is said to have 64 
million planets belonging to it according to Galactic Agent Harry Steen in 
THE VANISHING EARTH. 

Stix-a barren, lifeless planet where John sends the Kleptons who enslaved 
Trig, Trog, and the rest of the boys on the planet Gallia. He tells them Stix 
is a harsh environment and the Kleptons will have to fight for survival there.

Tharga-although we see Thargons more than once, we learn little about their 
home planet. We do know they elect their officials and were once very war 
like. Proud and green, silver, and multicolored people, they are not evil, 
just strong in their beliefs. They have a Council and fly superadvanced 
starships. They were at one time at war with the Sorson annelid race. 

Trysta-a planet where men are ruled by apes!!! No just kidding. The ape 
people of this planet were known by Peter in A RIFT IN TIME. They are said to 
be very peaceful and freedom loving. In the alternate time lane where Earth 
was named Rome and was manipulated by Gaius, the Trystans were slaves on 
Rome, serving the Roman humans, taken from their home planet Trysta.

Other planets that we know must exist: a home planet for the following: 
Sorsons, Volvoids, Kulthans, Rash-the Cyclops, Steen, Timus, Sandor, Cantor 
and Yagon, Glip, Robert and the Degenerteeri, Gaius (who Peter claims is not 
from Earth--not even human), and last and least---the Family of the Ship--the 
Momma, Elmer, and Emily.  

From the novels:

Crito-the planet where the telepathic boy Arlon came from--his cries could 
put out all TP and also those not yet broken out! Also Saav and Goras came 
from this world.

Barren 6-a dying planet, dying since its star is going nova. It contains the 
little cute Nola Bears, one of whom Stephen takes back to Earth with him at 
the end of the story. Other Nola Bears were saved and brought to Matra. Nola 
Bears can change shape to what you want them to be. Stephen thought of a 
puppy. The Mothers of Matra thought of a cute little Stephen.  

Matra--a planet inhabited by giant women who want something to care 
for--called the Mothers of Matra. First they get their hands on Stephen, who 
is like a tiny doll to them. Then the TP give them the Nola Bears. The planet 
seemed somewhat Medevil-like but happily so.

Friga-a world of permanent snow and warm sunshine where Stephen liked to ski.

Regus 6-The alien reptiles the Kraatans had to be relocated to this planet, 
the main setback of it being the alien Thrall monster--a giant crab like 
thing which they have to learn to fight. The previous home of this non 
telepathic race was destroyed. 

Saiyonara-a planet not unlike China and Japan with Oriental like aliens. The 
Guardians on the planet were tricked into trying to kill the rightful little 
boy Prince--Saiyan and his Tutor. The evil man who did this---had Medusa on 
the planet in a pit. They also had the ability to send a Stephen android to 
the Lab--a bomb.


From the comics (an overpopulated universe here):

Arkon-in the Demeter star system, this world has a Grand Council and a 
Supreme Ruler. The core of the planet is heating up so they sent their giant 
sea dragon life forms to Earth to see if they can live there. The Tp flood 
the core of Arkon and save the planet but the three dragons on Earth are 
killed by the Saps.

Zathria-the planet where the evil Mikkon, a rebel telepathic killer is from.

Gakra-the planet where the alien Churt came from and he used robots against 
the TP.

Trivega-the alien Kramm came from this world, which must have newly 
telepathic beings since it is new to the Federation.  

Theseus 4-the Kardakians and Kardak come from this planet (!?). They use 
Blastarn guns and rifles, AirMastrons--planes and train-like thingees. Part 
of their language is the word Granak--which is one of the words Trig and Trog 
of Gallia used, also Vaktaan of Rigora. Hmmmmm, univeral relations?

Zettar-the alien Trig ambassador came from this planet and so did his son 
Jekk, a brat who runs away.

Jessor-is the planet where Jekk runs away to. It is a nature reserve and 
holiday complex, presumably part of the Galactic Trig. There is one area of 
it called the Forbidden Zone (a place where apes are ruled by men--no, sorry) 
where a giant dragon called the Pargyx is. The TP have to save Jekk from it. 
Would you?

Thexians-all we know for sure is that their leader is Tegon, who wants to 
invade (oh hum) Earth.

Philemon Beta-has an empty space dock which the living plants use to try to 
invade Earth--actually they do invade Earth. The original inhabitants of 
Philemon Beta may have been killed off by these plants.

Theres-wolf faced aliens invade Earth using the youth controlled by the 
aliens' rock group Starway.

Cyclax-the alien Mysterio came from here.

Armeria and Kallia-Armerians and Kallians have been at war in space since 
long before there was life on Earth. This is a pair of races that are more 
messed up than Earthlings.

Vonaria-is the planet where the insane Lorian-who killed a Spanish Crew (?!?) 
to get to the Trig (?) so he could kill a tyrant (what is a tyrant doing on 
the Trig?).

Vinnika-a tyrant on the Trig (see above ?) had made all Vonarians his slaves, 
the tyrant is in the Minian system. The less said about anything about this 
comic story the better.

Jannaz-a planet ruled by Karnak

Medran-a planet of shapechangers who when they change, have minor flaws 
noticed in their copy.

Aquas-is a watery planet with cliffs and waterfalls--and gill people called 
Aquas. Two, Renf and Manx come to Earth to enlist help from the TP. Aquas's 
peace was broken by the 30 survivors of a civil war--the wolf giants called 
Luxon, whose own home world was destroyed by war among themselves. The wolf 
creatures landed in a shuttle. The Luxons want to eat.

Branza in the Third Galaxy-a delegate named Spiros is on the Trig (aren't all 
Trig members supposed to be telepathic?); he tells the Tp that their home 
world is ruled by the Cloud Minders from Star Trek. Just kidding, just seeing 
if you're awake. Really though, the plot of one of the comics uses Star 
Trek's Cloud Minders heavilly! The people on this planet have been bred from 
birth to believe the air is polluted and poisonous. This is so the workers in 
the mine shaft stay there and mine sulfur for the Dominator--who turns out to 
be a giant beetle but is really a giant rat called Haiphon, the Pretender to 
the Madric Star, thrown out for treason.

Madric Star-see above if you dare.

Phari- a tiny planet with tiny people who can build spaceships that make it 
to Earth.


















































TP CLIFFHANGERS

Some time ago, DOCTOR WHO MONTHLY (can it really be over ten years ago?) did 
a series of articles on the cliffhangers. This is based on those.




THE SLAVES OF JEDIKIAH--

1-Stephen, kidnapped from the hospital by Ginge and Lefty in an ambulance, 
makes telepathic contact with John. Before he can tell what's happening to 
him, Lefty shoots him with a stun gun, while Jedikiah watches on a scanner...

2-Stephen is safe in the lab while the other TP go. Only brainwashed by 
Jedikiah and Rash, the Cyclops, he obeys their will--to shut TIM off--and 
open the lab door, behind which stands a gloating Ginge and Lefty...

3-With Kenny's help, Stephen is free and TIM brings John and Carol back from 
a hyper space induced near-death. Jedikiah renders Kenny unconscious and 
still breaks into the lab to confront all the others. Using a freeze gun he 
freezes Carol, John, and Stephen, calling them, "Fools!"...

4-With a silencer band on his head, Kenny has been taken to Jedikiah and 
Rash's spaceship. John, Carol, and Stephen prepare to jaunt up, regardless of 
it being a trap. In the ship, Kenny, Ginge, and Lefty form a shaky alliance, 
realizing Rash doesn't want Ginge and Lefty but all the Tomorrow People...

5-Even after the TP, Lefty, and Ginge escape the exploding ship (with Ginge, 
Kenny, and Lefty plopped down into water), Jedikiah still floats in 
space--seemingly still alive... 





















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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: is t his getting through?
Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:22:10 EDT

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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: tpseason 3 and 4
Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:23:01 EDT


TOMORROW PEOPLE--Third Season

    The first season began the TOMORROW PEOPLE, the second refined the show 
and concept, fitting in with what went before, then the third experimented 
with the rules quite a bit. No other season before and after could be called 
so schizophrenic---we had what could be arguably the best story of both 
versions of the TP (SECRET WEAPON), what could be arguably the worst (as much 
as I hate to admit it, ACHILLES'S HEEL, is probably worse than A MAN FOR 
EMILY), and two rushed stories that could have been much better but were not 
all that bad and were highly entertaining (WORLDS AWAY, REVENGE OF JEDIKIAH). 
    None of the four stories could be said to be like the other in any way. 
SECRET WEAPON took place entirely on Earth and was deadly serious while A MAN 
FOR EMILY took place mostly on Earth and was deadly un-serious (and some feel 
unfunny). Some of it took place on an alien spaceship. WORLDS AWAY took place 
on an alien planet (Peeri) but didn't feature any spaceships although there 
were spaceships talked about--ships of the Kulthan which hovered over the 
planet snatching the sacrifices of the Vesh Takers for food and energy. Vesh 
were the sacrifices--and the TP of this alien-but 
very-like-Earth-for-budgetary-reasons-world. REVENGE OF JEDIKIAH was set 
wholly on Earth but seemed somewhat space and time oriented as it dealt with 
the return of Jedikiah, the only villain to ever return on the series--who 
was somewhat of a time traveler-survivor from ancient Egypt not to mention 
his having been in hyper space in the 26th Century and a space traveller to 
boot (from having also been on the ship of the Cyclops Rash). As enjoyable as 
it was, this script seemed to have the most loopholes of all the stories in 
the season. 
    A lot happened in this season: Timus and Tricia Conway first appeared, 
Professor Cawston reappeared with a much more involved role, a large 
spaceship hovered over Earth in orbit for the first time since SLAVES and a 
new breakout came. Tyso was not really known in his first tale, SECRET 
WEAPON, as he spent most of it under synaptril in a coma. In the second story 
of the season, WORLDS AWAY, we get more involved with him. His family appears 
in the first episode. WORLDS AWAY not only introduced Timus but also his 
clone brother Tykno both played by Phillip Gilbert (who did the voice of 
TIM), adding much humor to a very grim story of the telepath eating 
race---the Kulthan. Not really allowing a full live Kulthan to appear, the 
tale just gives us a glimpse of what they looked like through the disguise 
Tykno wore and the illusion guard in the pyramid on Earth--the structures 
having been built by the aliens--who also used Jedikiah to replace an 
Egyptian pharaoh who they did not like--as was explained in REVENGE OF 
JEDIKIAH, a tale brimming with references to the past of the TP--including 
talk of Peter. This season, more than most, was interconnected with 
references (for example to the Kulthan) running throughout the  stories as 
well as having Tricia, Timus, Tykno, Tyso's family mainly his sister 
Evergreen, and Cawston showing up quite a bit. Jedikiah was mostly seen only 
in the form of others whose images he used (Cawston's friend Winnie Johnson, 
Stephen, Evergreen, Sergeant Evans, Tricia, etc.). Only in the last episode 
did we see the Jedikiah which was seen in the SLAVES OF JEDIKIAH and no 
mention was made of his Roger Bizley form from THE MEDUSA STRAIN (which was 
somewhat more subtly menacing).
    Tricia seemed to be a good character to stir things up a bit. Once she 
broke out in REVENGE at the end of the season, expectations for her future 
were high. Alas, her character never returned--she was remaining on the Trig 
to train as a Galactic Agent as was later told in the fourth season opener 
ONE LAW. She and John could have had some fights as to how to run the TP, had 
she returned to the Lab. Tricia was a missed opportunity to add spice to the 
group. One of the high points is Tricia's breakout and rescue of the TP by 
turning TIM on to call for help. This surprised a lot of viewers. Even the 
most critical among the audience was pleased by this turn of events.
    Cawston was one of the series' greatest and most realistic 
characters---he was also a nice guy as Stephen realized early on in the 
second season's A RIFT IN TIME. Cawston could also bluff and be sarcastic and 
gave Colonel Masters more than a few moments of sweating nervousness when he 
suggested the TP could be in the room without them knowing about it. He also 
fared pretty well against Tricia in the season, telling her just what he 
thought of her betrayal to other telepaths and her disbelief in shape 
changing bionic robots.  
    Timus is another of the great characters, yet for all his huff, the 
character hardly saw much action except, of course for his facing off of 
Jedikiah in the end of REVENGE OF JEDIKIAH. Timus added much humor to the 
season, indeed, to all the stories he was in. Funny, and mismatched to 
Earth's customs, not being aware of them, he could also be very cryptic as 
when he showed John and Liz the pyramids in WORLDS AWAY and as to when he 
smiled wryly when discussing that the real ruler of the Egyptians was 
disposed of. It was also odd that Tykno, more action oriented than Timus, 
told TIM that Jedikiah had as much right to call himself an Earthling as 
anyone. 
    Unfortunately, we found out very little about Timus, Cawston, Tricia, and 
all the rest. I suppose that kept a lot of the mystery alive and this is all 
well and good. This could also work against the show: for instance, what is 
Jedikiah--a shapechanger, a robot, a bionic shapechanger? Who made him--did 
Rash the Cyclops make him? What planet was Timus from? Did Cawston have his 
own family?         The series looked good in this season. While SECRET 
WEAPON had mostly indoor studio bound sequences, there was some nice outdoor 
shots. WORLDS AWAY had some as well as well as some poor CSO effects. John 
and the others trailing through the forest was a nice touch. REVENGE also had 
location work mostly based around the trailer home of Tyso and family. A MAN 
FOR EMILY probably had the most with the mad chase around the police station, 
London streets, fields, with some nice shots of Stephen appearing in front of 
the police convoy. 
    It also seems ironic A MAN FOR EMILY, an outrageous and embarrassing 
comedy, contains one of the most nerve wracking death scenes of the series: 
Elmer, the dunce, shoots a store keeper, without even realizing he just 
killed the man. We see the man go down, blood on him. Stephen arrives and 
reanimates the man, quelling our fears that the reanimation technique from 
THE MEDUSA STRAIN was just a one time event. A MAN FOR EMILY did have some 
good ideas: a spaceship that controlled the people within because they were 
too stupid, aliens who had transmissions from Earth influencing the way they 
thought of us, that bizarre ritual where the women eat their men, the ship 
having bypassed other planets to keep itself alive, idiots with enough 
sophisicated weaponry to blow up the Earth. Not ideas to be laughed at. Which 
is exactly why A MAN FOR EMILY went so wrong.    
    Images that stick in one's mind from this season: the cliffhangers from 
SECRET WEAPON with Liz the brunt of most of Col. Masters' plans, Tyso getting 
his foot caught in an animal trap, the overacting of the Vesh Taker, the 
excellent acting from the actors who played Cawston and Masters, Tricia's 
face when she realizes that John was correct about her missed chance of 
becoming a TP but that she could still become one ("It's not too late"), 
Stephen and John, not to mention Tyso, looking ridiculous in cowboy outfits, 
the Prime Minister's abduction by Chris and John from his moving car to the 
lab, Chris' speech to the PM about how the TP are the hope of mankind, Liz's 
clean phone trick to see whether or not Cawston could be trusted (and for 
awhile I had my doubts about him), the bugging and debugging of Cawston's 
office, the explosion as Liz hurls the device out of Cawston's office window, 
Timus' hilarious introduction to the group---with Tyso and Stephen full of 
mud from having to pull Sam, one of Tyso's brothers out of a swamp, TIM's 
insistence on being cleaned and forcing formality onto the others over Timus' 
arrival in the lab (it seemed to me that there were more visitors to the Lab 
in this season than all the others put together), the conversations about war 
and peace, Jedikiah's cold bloodedness in his last story, all the 
aforementioned continuity, and finally the darkening of the Lab at the very 
end of the season: it certainly had me worried that this was the end of the 
show--and that the Tp would never return from the Trig to the Lab. A very 
atmospheric and wonderful scene, if a bit risky and experimental---but that 
describes the whole of season three.        
    


















REVIEW OF SEASON FOUR

Well, the so called season is only seven episodes! The Tomorrow People return 
to Earth one by one in a few nicely done sequences intermingled with very 
well made and acted segments introducing Mike Bell. Mike was much tougher 
when he was first introduced and seemingly a bit smarter. It wouldn't be long 
before he was off visiting exploding volcanos and wearing Hitler Youth 
uniforms. He also gave one the idea and feel of a rebel and someone who 
wasn't so goody goody. 

In the same story ONE LAW, we find out Tyso isn't such a goody goody when he 
and his dad are being chased by the law for poaching. Apparently Mike had 
already broken out and much theory is discussed by Liz, John, and Stephen 
about how maybe they shouldn't try to contact a newly breaking out TP--it 
might just make things worse. The novel ONE LAW gives us more about all of 
this and tells us that 
Mike actually breaks out in Lord Dunning's basement cell while he is being 
held with his mother and sister, who both go nameless and who both say 
nothing in the entire episode. In the novel, the mother, at least is a bit 
more fleshed out. We are given some background to her and to her plight--she 
once stole some bread and spent in time in a jail (Holoway prison?). No 
mention is made of Mike's father. 

I enjoyed all the confrontational scenes between Mike and the other four TP. 
The O'Reilly sequences gave Mike a bit of a sympathetic edge--he was very 
nice to this rather silly and troublesome old man---and the TP's efforts to 
question O'Reilly were fun. 

Mike's mom and sister do not reappear in the season or in the series ever 
again and are never even mentioned again! Location work for the whole season 
was contained in this story only and the runaround in the forestry estate of 
Dunning as Mike tries to usher his mom and sister away from the house is 
refreshing, with some jazzy James Bond like music accompanying it---sounding 
a bit like stock music but fitting all the same. 

Inspector Reg Burke was somewhat irritating but he could be kind of funny at 
times. Two Tone and Slow, the thugs of Lord Dunning populate the first two 
episodes and in the first Mike gives them their comeuppance as he does to 
Dunning in the third. The two goofs are actually a parody of Kojak and his 
brother from that series. While they were anything but subtle (and also well 
acted, if a bit goofy) Dunning was a very subtle and menacing character, 
although I find it puzzling as to why someone who is obviously already as 
rich as Dunning would want to steal more from a bank !? Mike telling Dunning, 
"You and your kind can't do anything against me,"  is great---it gives one 
the feeling that this cocky and headstrong kid could do whatever he wants as 
a super strong telepath and in the second tale, INTO THE UNKNOWN, this 
cockiness, while diluted somewhat by his fear of being in space in the last 
two episodes, he is also cocky, telling the much larger and meaner alien 
Vaktaan to, "Push off"  and get leave him alone as the large man seems to 
mock Mike's puniness. 

In the novel ONE LAW, Mike finds out about his power to jaunt when he saves a 
little girl from being run over by a car, one that is described suspiciously 
like Dunning's. This is not in the televised version. There is a strange feel 
to INTO THE UNKNOWN. Perhaps it is the fact that it was not written by Roger 
Price who wrote or co wrote every other story--no wonder that by this time, 
he was somewhat burnt out on the TP (in addition, he wrote the novels and the 
Look In comics). It starts out with Mike using TIM for composing a pop song 
in what is a good bit of character interplay between he, TIM, John, and Liz. 

Stephen is in this story, alas, his last. He is quite big here and tall and 
not much different from John at this stage of the game---he would have made 
an excellent leader but those shoes were already filled. He interacts with 
Mike over his eagerness and puts him in his place, much as John interacted 
with Stephen himself in the past. Stephen also seemed quite smart in this 
one, aiding John in his discovery of TirAyaan's secret plot to send the 
Fathership into the hole to rid him and his people of Vaktaan. 

Tyso is here, also for the last time. He does very little but his scenes with 
TIM and Timus, in particular are fun. He holds his own against Timus's 
ineffectiveness. Strange that Timus can make Jedikiah a human being in the 
last season as well as reviving John, Tykno, and Liz to life after they were 
shot, but can't do anything to help the TP who are stuck in the strange hole 
in space. Admittedly not a realistic hole in space, it is nevertheless, a 
good original twist (to use a pun) to the idea of a new and weird space 
phenomena. 

TirAyaan seemed to have something up his large and long sleeves and I must 
admit to not trusting him totally. He would have made a very good villain in 
the future if we found out his motives were less than pure--he was after all 
some kind of dictator or absolute ruler ridding himself of some of the 
Council of his planet--just who was the bad guy here? On the other hand, 
Kwann I totally trusted. His devotion to the TP and his father were admirable 
and he didn't even seem too hateful of his enemies, being somewhat more 
peaceful than even the TP. 

One area that is interesting is John's sense shattering jaunt from the 
Fathership to the Shuttle---it is here that the original series experiments 
and succeeds--doing things they never have before and showing powers that 
were not tried before--something the new show could have learned from. It was 
nice to see Liz explaining some things to the new TP, Mike (as the spectra 
shift), something we saw too little of in the show (the training of new TP). 

With one story returning four of the TP to Earth from space and the other 
sending four of the five back into space, this was a somewhat schizo and 
short season but the tales are very enjoyable and the series hasn't yet lost 
any ground. The vanishing of Stephen and Tyso in the next short season, no 
explanation given, hurt the show. The settings are varied again: ONE LAW 
takes place almost exclusively on Earth--I would have loved to see some of 
the Tp's stay at the Trig---while INTO THE UNKNOWN takes place in space for a 
majority of the time. What happened when the aliens were returned by the TP 
to their planet Rigora? Did they effect the changes Tirayaan talked 
about--and alluded to that he was too set in his ways to change--and perhaps 
allow? It would have made a good sequel. One story I have is just such a 
sequel but taking place in 1990.

The two stories were far from perfect but they were not all that bad either. 
The series survived A MAN FOR EMILY with these two tales. This season, at 
least, was not at all embarrassing.









































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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: tpseason 3 and 4
Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:23:01 EDT


TOMORROW PEOPLE--Third Season

    The first season began the TOMORROW PEOPLE, the second refined the show 
and concept, fitting in with what went before, then the third experimented 
with the rules quite a bit. No other season before and after could be called 
so schizophrenic---we had what could be arguably the best story of both 
versions of the TP (SECRET WEAPON), what could be arguably the worst (as much 
as I hate to admit it, ACHILLES'S HEEL, is probably worse than A MAN FOR 
EMILY), and two rushed stories that could have been much better but were not 
all that bad and were highly entertaining (WORLDS AWAY, REVENGE OF JEDIKIAH). 
    None of the four stories could be said to be like the other in any way. 
SECRET WEAPON took place entirely on Earth and was deadly serious while A MAN 
FOR EMILY took place mostly on Earth and was deadly un-serious (and some feel 
unfunny). Some of it took place on an alien spaceship. WORLDS AWAY took place 
on an alien planet (Peeri) but didn't feature any spaceships although there 
were spaceships talked about--ships of the Kulthan which hovered over the 
planet snatching the sacrifices of the Vesh Takers for food and energy. Vesh 
were the sacrifices--and the TP of this alien-but 
very-like-Earth-for-budgetary-reasons-world. REVENGE OF JEDIKIAH was set 
wholly on Earth but seemed somewhat space and time oriented as it dealt with 
the return of Jedikiah, the only villain to ever return on the series--who 
was somewhat of a time traveler-survivor from ancient Egypt not to mention 
his having been in hyper space in the 26th Century and a space traveller to 
boot (from having also been on the ship of the Cyclops Rash). As enjoyable as 
it was, this script seemed to have the most loopholes of all the stories in 
the season. 
    A lot happened in this season: Timus and Tricia Conway first appeared, 
Professor Cawston reappeared with a much more involved role, a large 
spaceship hovered over Earth in orbit for the first time since SLAVES and a 
new breakout came. Tyso was not really known in his first tale, SECRET 
WEAPON, as he spent most of it under synaptril in a coma. In the second story 
of the season, WORLDS AWAY, we get more involved with him. His family appears 
in the first episode. WORLDS AWAY not only introduced Timus but also his 
clone brother Tykno both played by Phillip Gilbert (who did the voice of 
TIM), adding much humor to a very grim story of the telepath eating 
race---the Kulthan. Not really allowing a full live Kulthan to appear, the 
tale just gives us a glimpse of what they looked like through the disguise 
Tykno wore and the illusion guard in the pyramid on Earth--the structures 
having been built by the aliens--who also used Jedikiah to replace an 
Egyptian pharaoh who they did not like--as was explained in REVENGE OF 
JEDIKIAH, a tale brimming with references to the past of the TP--including 
talk of Peter. This season, more than most, was interconnected with 
references (for example to the Kulthan) running throughout the  stories as 
well as having Tricia, Timus, Tykno, Tyso's family mainly his sister 
Evergreen, and Cawston showing up quite a bit. Jedikiah was mostly seen only 
in the form of others whose images he used (Cawston's friend Winnie Johnson, 
Stephen, Evergreen, Sergeant Evans, Tricia, etc.). Only in the last episode 
did we see the Jedikiah which was seen in the SLAVES OF JEDIKIAH and no 
mention was made of his Roger Bizley form from THE MEDUSA STRAIN (which was 
somewhat more subtly menacing).
    Tricia seemed to be a good character to stir things up a bit. Once she 
broke out in REVENGE at the end of the season, expectations for her future 
were high. Alas, her character never returned--she was remaining on the Trig 
to train as a Galactic Agent as was later told in the fourth season opener 
ONE LAW. She and John could have had some fights as to how to run the TP, had 
she returned to the Lab. Tricia was a missed opportunity to add spice to the 
group. One of the high points is Tricia's breakout and rescue of the TP by 
turning TIM on to call for help. This surprised a lot of viewers. Even the 
most critical among the audience was pleased by this turn of events.
    Cawston was one of the series' greatest and most realistic 
characters---he was also a nice guy as Stephen realized early on in the 
second season's A RIFT IN TIME. Cawston could also bluff and be sarcastic and 
gave Colonel Masters more than a few moments of sweating nervousness when he 
suggested the TP could be in the room without them knowing about it. He also 
fared pretty well against Tricia in the season, telling her just what he 
thought of her betrayal to other telepaths and her disbelief in shape 
changing bionic robots.  
    Timus is another of the great characters, yet for all his huff, the 
character hardly saw much action except, of course for his facing off of 
Jedikiah in the end of REVENGE OF JEDIKIAH. Timus added much humor to the 
season, indeed, to all the stories he was in. Funny, and mismatched to 
Earth's customs, not being aware of them, he could also be very cryptic as 
when he showed John and Liz the pyramids in WORLDS AWAY and as to when he 
smiled wryly when discussing that the real ruler of the Egyptians was 
disposed of. It was also odd that Tykno, more action oriented than Timus, 
told TIM that Jedikiah had as much right to call himself an Earthling as 
anyone. 
    Unfortunately, we found out very little about Timus, Cawston, Tricia, and 
all the rest. I suppose that kept a lot of the mystery alive and this is all 
well and good. This could also work against the show: for instance, what is 
Jedikiah--a shapechanger, a robot, a bionic shapechanger? Who made him--did 
Rash the Cyclops make him? What planet was Timus from? Did Cawston have his 
own family?         The series looked good in this season. While SECRET 
WEAPON had mostly indoor studio bound sequences, there was some nice outdoor 
shots. WORLDS AWAY had some as well as well as some poor CSO effects. John 
and the others trailing through the forest was a nice touch. REVENGE also had 
location work mostly based around the trailer home of Tyso and family. A MAN 
FOR EMILY probably had the most with the mad chase around the police station, 
London streets, fields, with some nice shots of Stephen appearing in front of 
the police convoy. 
    It also seems ironic A MAN FOR EMILY, an outrageous and embarrassing 
comedy, contains one of the most nerve wracking death scenes of the series: 
Elmer, the dunce, shoots a store keeper, without even realizing he just 
killed the man. We see the man go down, blood on him. Stephen arrives and 
reanimates the man, quelling our fears that the reanimation technique from 
THE MEDUSA STRAIN was just a one time event. A MAN FOR EMILY did have some 
good ideas: a spaceship that controlled the people within because they were 
too stupid, aliens who had transmissions from Earth influencing the way they 
thought of us, that bizarre ritual where the women eat their men, the ship 
having bypassed other planets to keep itself alive, idiots with enough 
sophisicated weaponry to blow up the Earth. Not ideas to be laughed at. Which 
is exactly why A MAN FOR EMILY went so wrong.    
    Images that stick in one's mind from this season: the cliffhangers from 
SECRET WEAPON with Liz the brunt of most of Col. Masters' plans, Tyso getting 
his foot caught in an animal trap, the overacting of the Vesh Taker, the 
excellent acting from the actors who played Cawston and Masters, Tricia's 
face when she realizes that John was correct about her missed chance of 
becoming a TP but that she could still become one ("It's not too late"), 
Stephen and John, not to mention Tyso, looking ridiculous in cowboy outfits, 
the Prime Minister's abduction by Chris and John from his moving car to the 
lab, Chris' speech to the PM about how the TP are the hope of mankind, Liz's 
clean phone trick to see whether or not Cawston could be trusted (and for 
awhile I had my doubts about him), the bugging and debugging of Cawston's 
office, the explosion as Liz hurls the device out of Cawston's office window, 
Timus' hilarious introduction to the group---with Tyso and Stephen full of 
mud from having to pull Sam, one of Tyso's brothers out of a swamp, TIM's 
insistence on being cleaned and forcing formality onto the others over Timus' 
arrival in the lab (it seemed to me that there were more visitors to the Lab 
in this season than all the others put together), the conversations about war 
and peace, Jedikiah's cold bloodedness in his last story, all the 
aforementioned continuity, and finally the darkening of the Lab at the very 
end of the season: it certainly had me worried that this was the end of the 
show--and that the Tp would never return from the Trig to the Lab. A very 
atmospheric and wonderful scene, if a bit risky and experimental---but that 
describes the whole of season three.        
    


















REVIEW OF SEASON FOUR

Well, the so called season is only seven episodes! The Tomorrow People return 
to Earth one by one in a few nicely done sequences intermingled with very 
well made and acted segments introducing Mike Bell. Mike was much tougher 
when he was first introduced and seemingly a bit smarter. It wouldn't be long 
before he was off visiting exploding volcanos and wearing Hitler Youth 
uniforms. He also gave one the idea and feel of a rebel and someone who 
wasn't so goody goody. 

In the same story ONE LAW, we find out Tyso isn't such a goody goody when he 
and his dad are being chased by the law for poaching. Apparently Mike had 
already broken out and much theory is discussed by Liz, John, and Stephen 
about how maybe they shouldn't try to contact a newly breaking out TP--it 
might just make things worse. The novel ONE LAW gives us more about all of 
this and tells us that 
Mike actually breaks out in Lord Dunning's basement cell while he is being 
held with his mother and sister, who both go nameless and who both say 
nothing in the entire episode. In the novel, the mother, at least is a bit 
more fleshed out. We are given some background to her and to her plight--she 
once stole some bread and spent in time in a jail (Holoway prison?). No 
mention is made of Mike's father. 

I enjoyed all the confrontational scenes between Mike and the other four TP. 
The O'Reilly sequences gave Mike a bit of a sympathetic edge--he was very 
nice to this rather silly and troublesome old man---and the TP's efforts to 
question O'Reilly were fun. 

Mike's mom and sister do not reappear in the season or in the series ever 
again and are never even mentioned again! Location work for the whole season 
was contained in this story only and the runaround in the forestry estate of 
Dunning as Mike tries to usher his mom and sister away from the house is 
refreshing, with some jazzy James Bond like music accompanying it---sounding 
a bit like stock music but fitting all the same. 

Inspector Reg Burke was somewhat irritating but he could be kind of funny at 
times. Two Tone and Slow, the thugs of Lord Dunning populate the first two 
episodes and in the first Mike gives them their comeuppance as he does to 
Dunning in the third. The two goofs are actually a parody of Kojak and his 
brother from that series. While they were anything but subtle (and also well 
acted, if a bit goofy) Dunning was a very subtle and menacing character, 
although I find it puzzling as to why someone who is obviously already as 
rich as Dunning would want to steal more from a bank !? Mike telling Dunning, 
"You and your kind can't do anything against me,"  is great---it gives one 
the feeling that this cocky and headstrong kid could do whatever he wants as 
a super strong telepath and in the second tale, INTO THE UNKNOWN, this 
cockiness, while diluted somewhat by his fear of being in space in the last 
two episodes, he is also cocky, telling the much larger and meaner alien 
Vaktaan to, "Push off"  and get leave him alone as the large man seems to 
mock Mike's puniness. 

In the novel ONE LAW, Mike finds out about his power to jaunt when he saves a 
little girl from being run over by a car, one that is described suspiciously 
like Dunning's. This is not in the televised version. There is a strange feel 
to INTO THE UNKNOWN. Perhaps it is the fact that it was not written by Roger 
Price who wrote or co wrote every other story--no wonder that by this time, 
he was somewhat burnt out on the TP (in addition, he wrote the novels and the 
Look In comics). It starts out with Mike using TIM for composing a pop song 
in what is a good bit of character interplay between he, TIM, John, and Liz. 

Stephen is in this story, alas, his last. He is quite big here and tall and 
not much different from John at this stage of the game---he would have made 
an excellent leader but those shoes were already filled. He interacts with 
Mike over his eagerness and puts him in his place, much as John interacted 
with Stephen himself in the past. Stephen also seemed quite smart in this 
one, aiding John in his discovery of TirAyaan's secret plot to send the 
Fathership into the hole to rid him and his people of Vaktaan. 

Tyso is here, also for the last time. He does very little but his scenes with 
TIM and Timus, in particular are fun. He holds his own against Timus's 
ineffectiveness. Strange that Timus can make Jedikiah a human being in the 
last season as well as reviving John, Tykno, and Liz to life after they were 
shot, but can't do anything to help the TP who are stuck in the strange hole 
in space. Admittedly not a realistic hole in space, it is nevertheless, a 
good original twist (to use a pun) to the idea of a new and weird space 
phenomena. 

TirAyaan seemed to have something up his large and long sleeves and I must 
admit to not trusting him totally. He would have made a very good villain in 
the future if we found out his motives were less than pure--he was after all 
some kind of dictator or absolute ruler ridding himself of some of the 
Council of his planet--just who was the bad guy here? On the other hand, 
Kwann I totally trusted. His devotion to the TP and his father were admirable 
and he didn't even seem too hateful of his enemies, being somewhat more 
peaceful than even the TP. 

One area that is interesting is John's sense shattering jaunt from the 
Fathership to the Shuttle---it is here that the original series experiments 
and succeeds--doing things they never have before and showing powers that 
were not tried before--something the new show could have learned from. It was 
nice to see Liz explaining some things to the new TP, Mike (as the spectra 
shift), something we saw too little of in the show (the training of new TP). 

With one story returning four of the TP to Earth from space and the other 
sending four of the five back into space, this was a somewhat schizo and 
short season but the tales are very enjoyable and the series hasn't yet lost 
any ground. The vanishing of Stephen and Tyso in the next short season, no 
explanation given, hurt the show. The settings are varied again: ONE LAW 
takes place almost exclusively on Earth--I would have loved to see some of 
the Tp's stay at the Trig---while INTO THE UNKNOWN takes place in space for a 
majority of the time. What happened when the aliens were returned by the TP 
to their planet Rigora? Did they effect the changes Tirayaan talked 
about--and alluded to that he was too set in his ways to change--and perhaps 
allow? It would have made a good sequel. One story I have is just such a 
sequel but taking place in 1990.

The two stories were far from perfect but they were not all that bad either. 
The series survived A MAN FOR EMILY with these two tales. This season, at 
least, was not at all embarrassing.









































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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS:cliffhangers 1
Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:27:33 EDT

TP CLIFFHANGERS

Some time ago, DOCTOR WHO MONTHLY (can it really be over ten years ago?) did 
a series of articles on the cliffhangers. This is based on those.




THE SLAVES OF JEDIKIAH--

1-Stephen, kidnapped from the hospital by Ginge and Lefty in an ambulance, 
makes telepathic contact with John. Before he can tell what's happening to 
him, Lefty shoots him with a stun gun, while Jedikiah watches on a scanner...

2-Stephen is safe in the lab while the other TP go. Only brainwashed by 
Jedikiah and Rash, the Cyclops, he obeys their will--to shut TIM off--and 
open the lab door, behind which stands a gloating Ginge and Lefty...

3-With Kenny's help, Stephen is free and TIM brings John and Carol back from 
a hyper space induced near-death. Jedikiah renders Kenny unconscious and 
still breaks into the lab to confront all the others. Using a freeze gun he 
freezes Carol, John, and Stephen, calling them, "Fools!"...

4-With a silencer band on his head, Kenny has been taken to Jedikiah and 
Rash's spaceship. John, Carol, and Stephen prepare to jaunt up, regardless of 
it being a trap. In the ship, Kenny, Ginge, and Lefty form a shaky alliance, 
realizing Rash doesn't want Ginge and Lefty but all the Tomorrow People...

5-Even after the TP, Lefty, and Ginge escape the exploding ship (with Ginge, 
Kenny, and Lefty plopped down into water), Jedikiah still floats in 
space--seemingly still alive... 



















THE MEDUSA STRAIN

1-Carol and Stephen, looking for a monster Stephen thought he saw in hyper 
space, jaunt back to the lab--and find everyone there in some kind of time 
freeze, unable to move, talk, or live. Carol, in her infinite hyper 
hysterical way, thinks they and TIM are all dead...

2-Carol and the Time Guardian Peter are prisoners of both a different looking 
Jedikiah and a Colonel Rubowski. They want the secrets of time travel from 
Peter and to force him to tell them, they lock Carol in an airlock and remove 
the air...

3-Stephen and John float outside Rubowski's ship in 26th century hyperspace. 
Jedikiah aims a laser cannon directly at the two and shoots. There is an 
explosion...

4-After Jedikiah and Rubowski are sent to the molten surface of Mercury 
(Rubowski by accident) by Peter's setting of the time lane device, everyone 
is returned from the future hyper space time to their own time. Peter bids 
Stephen, Kenny, and John a hello and Carol and Ginge a goodbye. Ginge jokes 
that he should have found out the winners of next year's derby from Peter.  
































THE VANISHING EARTH

1-Ginge, once more a prisoner, is taken underneath the amusement park Clacton 
on Sea's haunted house ride, brought to a white coated alien creature. Trying 
to escape, he is caught in an earth shaking quake which brings the roof down 
on him...

2-Alerted by Lefty and trying to find Ginge in the haunted house, Stephen is 
stunned by the mysterious girl Joy and thrown into the water off the pier to 
drown. He is saved by an odd old man. Carol and John, brought to the pier by 
Lefty, confront the old man as he carries Stephen in his arms. Both suddenly 
vanish...

3-With the alien Galactic Policeman Harry Steen's help, the Earth people who 
are slaves to the Spidron are set free. Spidron the evil alien (who is mining 
Earth) destroys his underground lair and lava rushes toward the former 
slaves, Steen, and the Tomorrow People...

4-After explaining that Earth is now considered a closed world--no psi life 
forms are to come to it and the TP are to be a part of Overmind and the 
Galactic Federation, Steen tells the Tomorrow People that more of them will 
break out...soon. Ginge jokes he is not sure if he and Lefty can stand more 
of them around...     
































THE BLUE AND GREEN

1-Liz, unaware of her powers, jaunts when scared by Stephen and John, who 
push her to realize what she is about to become. When both jaunt in front of 
her, she jaunts off uncontrolled and in a panic. John tells Stephen that she 
can be anywhere--in space or time, alive or dead...

2-The new TP, Liz M'Bondo, is looking at yet another alien painting in the 
window of an antique store. Suddenly it becomes stormy right before her eyes. 
A group of nearby, quiet boys also become stormy and surround her, each with 
a malicious, evil grin, their intentions to violence clear...

3-The painting in the lab gives the odd and probably alien Robert an ability 
to control John, fast and furious...and violent. John tosses Stephen away 
from the painting, uses TK to rip apart parts of the lab. Then, John screams 
loudly and vanishes...and not in a jaunt...   

4-The police, believing Chris Harding, Ginge's younger brother, killed or 
kidnapped Robert, search the basement of Robert's adopted grandfather's 
antique store, looking for where Chris knows John is being held by Robert. 
Only the cell Chris saw earlier, is boarded up with shelves and John and 
Robert are gone. Angered and scared for John and realizing Robert and maybe 
his grandfather pulled John out, Chris bangs against the wall and the 
shelves...  

5-The alien Degenerteeli leave the Earth while Stephen tells John and Liz 
that he made the policemen forget all about Chris--which is strange to both 
Chris and the police when they wake up from their TP stun induced sleep--in 
each other's arms. 























A RIFT IN TIME

1-Following clues left in their dreams by Peter, John and Stephen make a disk 
from instructions he left in an ancient gladiator vase lid. While Liz, Chris, 
and John watch, Stephen touches it and disappears, not in a jaunt, but in a 
puff of smoke...John wonders where he has gone...

2-Traveling back in time to 1AD with proper time disks from Zenon, Peter's 
grandfather, the TP arrive. Soon after Stephen is sold to Gaius at the 
Solchester Gladiator School in Britain, Liz and John realize their powers are 
gone--all except the power to translate languages. Inside, Stephen has met 
Peter, the Time Guardian, who is indeed a prisoner of Gaius. Peter tells him 
someone here is not even human and is causing a time rift. Stephen is taken 
by Guthrun and Lothar out to the arena area where he is given a test: he must 
face Guthrun in a sword fight. They fight and Stephen, while making a good 
show of it initially (wounding Guthrun in the leg), ends up on his back with 
a sword pointed at his neck. Guthrun looks up to Gaius asking if he should 
finish him off now. Gaius seems about ready to tell him yes...

3-The mission to free Peter and stop whoever is causing the time rift is 
finished. The TP and Peter return to the spot where the Tp lab should be in 
the present of 1974. Only it is a futuristic place. A changed place, the 
correct time and planet. It is a changed future parallel. When ape men come 
in from an elevator, John assumes they have arrived when the Earth has been 
conquered from outer space...

4-With Cotus's memory gone, so is the future Roman Empire and the time lanes 
go back to the correct history. The Tp return him to his parents and return 
back to their own time and place--and correct time line. Liz, Stephen, and 
John watch one of Chris's judo lessons as Chris is thrown and flipped by his 
young karate instructor (who looks an awful lot like Tyso)...



















THE DOOMSDAY MEN

1-Douglas McLellend lures Stephen to Glen College's gym. He throws Stephen a 
sabre which is sharp and can kill...as Stephen notes. Douglas and two other 
boys approach with sabres of their own which Douglas warns him can kill also. 
Stephen faces them, wondering, how as a TP, he can kill or hurt them...or 
fight them...

2-Lee Wan, one of the men of the UN Space Station Damocles floats off into 
space, without a tether, due to an accident. General Arthur McLellend, 
Douglas's grandfather and a high ranking Doomsday Man, is dedicated to 
preserving war. He and a few other Doomsday Men take the place of the Space 
Station Damocles's Relief Crew, murdering them first. Entering the Space 
Station as the Relief crew, Arthur shoots and kills the remaining two crewmen 
who are found aboard...  
3-Douglas is kidnapped during a race he and the other boys are having, which 
quickly degenerated into a contest between Stephen and he. Only it is a faked 
kidnapping, designed to protect Douglas while his grandfather is holding the 
world at bay so that the disarmament treaty will not be signed. Stephen runs 
to Douglas's rescue...only to punched in the stomach and rendered 
unconscious. He now lays on the rocks as Douglas and the two Doomsday Men 
aiding him, get into a jeep-van and ride off...and it appears as if they are 
going to ride right over Stephen's prone body... 

4-Douglas and Paul Frazer, having learned from TIM what real war is like, 
help the Tp end the current Doomsday Men threat, invading the Space Station 
Damocles and stopping the missiles from hitting the Earth--with Douglas's 
bagpipes no less. The TP and Douglas return to the Lab where Chris and Paul 
have prepared a Scottish delicacy for them: haggis. Douglas tells them it is 
his favorite but as TIM announces what it is--after the TP have tasted it, 
Stephen winces...    


    

















SECRET WEAPON

1-Prof. Cawston informs John he can find Tyso in Colonel Masters's care in 
maybe two to three weeks since the Colonel is trusting him with a job (he 
thinks). John in turn, tells Cawston that he described a boy in the final 
stages of breaking out and if the TP don't find Tyso in two or three days--he 
will die...

2-Tricia Conway, Masters's assistant, has bugged Cawston's lab. When Liz 
jaunts in to give Cawston a transmitter tracking device, Colonel Masters and 
Tricia are watching on a TV scanner screen and are amazed to see what Masters 
calls, "A genuine teleporter."  He also adds, "We have to get her. We have to 
get her NOW!"...

3-Masters finally has Liz. Tricia has shot John with a drug called synaptril 
but he jaunted seconds after, appearing in the lab. In minutes, his brain 
will deteriorate. TIM calls Liz to help John but Masters has her in the IC 
Unit, just awakened. He levels a threat at her, pointing to Tyso and Stephen, 
telling her he will turn off their life support systems if she doesn't go on 
a mission for him. He tells her it is her choice, "Help me or..."   Liz 
realizes he will turn off the life support systems keeping them alive, and 
finishes for him, "...you'll murder them."...
  
4-With the Prime Minister and Chris's help, everyone gets away from Col. 
Masters. Cawston helps Tyso back to the lab after John helps him to break 
out, leaving Tricia and John behind in the Weapons Establishment. Tricia 
tells John she heard two voices--unaware that the one she heard was TIM. John 
tells her he meant for her to hear it. John tells her that somewhere down the 
line, Tricia could have been a TP but she didn't follow it through, "...you 
could have been one of us."  Tricia's eyes stare into space as her face 
reveals she knows this to be true. John's final words ring in her ears for a 
long time to come. They are: "...but it's not too late. It's not too 
late."...    




















WORLD'S AWAY

1-On the planet Peeri, Tyso saves a young woman from the hunters lead by the 
Vesh (Vesh being what the TP of this planet are called) Takers and his 
hounds. Unfortunately, he stumbles into a bear trap which closes over his 
foot and makes him fall. Tyso turns around on the ground and covers his face 
as the Vesh Taker's hounds charge at him and seem to overrun him...

2-The Vesh Taker tracks down the cave while John, Stephen, and Tykno (one of 
Timus's many clone brothers) are shot by arrows of the Peeri telepaths (the 
Vesh) who think they are spies for the Vesh Takers. The Vesh Taker captures 
Liz, Tyso, and the Vesh girl Lenda, destroying their stun guns, radios, and 
tracking devices. Outside the cave, he stands on Liz's stun gun as she 
reaches for it and he smiles, "More Vesh for the burning."...

3-The mission complete, the Kulthan spaceships put out of commission, the 
Kulthan having left a long, long time ago, and the Vesh Takers stopped, the 
Tomorrow People leave Peeri and return home.



A MAN FOR EMILY

1-Elmer, the retarded alien who is dressed as a cowboy and thinks Earth is 
like an old Western due to watching the transmissions that came off Earth on 
his spaceship, shoots up a bar. When Stephen and John try to jaunt into the 
bar as it is surrounded by police, they discover Elmer cannot be matter 
transmitted. They vanish as the police break in and capture the dumb Elmer...

2-Elmer is returned to the Earth thanks to the Momma who has a reason behind 
it all. Liz tells John that they have to find Elmer since the Momma won't see 
it his way--that Elmer is fool enough to get himself in trouble once more and 
should stay in jail this time. The Momma's transmission comes on TIM's screen 
in the lab (and Tyso calls her fat). The Momma tells them if they don't bring 
back Elmer to the Ship then the Ship will make rubble out of their planet...

3-John has deactivated Ship which has bypassed hundreds of suitable and 
habitable worlds, that the Family could have settled on, in order for itself 
to stay alive. That done, John puts the Momma in her place, tells Emily to 
shut up and that he won't be her man-boy (who are ritually eaten!), and gets 
the family to doozen down to Earth. The TP then find the family places among 
society...Elmer is a traffic policeman, Emily works in a bar, and the Momma 
sells fish...!!!






REVENGE OF JEDIKIAH

1-John fears Jedikiah has arisen from a mummy's tomb where he was kept since 
he was sent back in time by Peter, found on the molten surface of Mercury by 
the Kulthan, used in the far past to impersonate an ancient Egyptian ruler 
the Kulthan were against, and finally locked in the tomb by the Egyptians, 
abandoned by the Kulthan. John explains to Cawston, Liz, and Timus that it is 
Jedikiah and he has good reason to hate the TP--any TP that come across him 
is in great danger. John is unaware that at that moment, Tyso and Stephen are 
at a TV show of a magician where Jedikiah is impersonating Stephen...and one 
or both of them are about to be alone with him...

2-Jedikiah takes on Evergreen's (Tyso's sister) form and locks the real 
Evergreen in the trunk of Prof. Cawston's car. Cawston and the ill fated 
Sergeant Evans free her. Cawston tries to explain to her that it wasn't 
really him that locked her in the car...it was Jedikiah using his form at 
that time. Evergreen tells them information that makes them believe Jedikiah 
is heading for the trailer home of Tyso's parents...who have gone to France 
and where Tyso and Stephen are staying alone...Cawston yells, "He's after 
Tyso and Stephen! Come on!"  The three of them run that way...

3-Tricia Conway breaks out, jaunts to the Lab as she continues to break out, 
and manages somehow to turn on TIM. TIM, in the lab which has been taken over 
by Jedikiah, who has silencer bands on Tyso and Stephen, calls an urgent cry 
of help to Timus at the Galactic Trig --Tykno, John, and Liz all near death 
at the guns of the Weapon Establishment guards who thought they were 
Jedikiah. Timus arrives, banishes Jedikiah, saving the others, turning TIM 
on. Cawston suddenly finds Tykno, Liz, and John's bodies missing. He hears a 
call from Liz, telling him that they are all right and that Tricia is one of 
the Tomorrow People now but all of them are going to leave the Earth. When 
Cawston asks if it is forever, Liz tells him no but doesn't know when they 
will return. He also wants to know if they will ever meet again. Liz tells 
him, "Perhaps sometime..."   Timus and the others band together and banish 
Jedikiah, making him a human being again...a poor begging human being, 
wearing rags. He exits the lab in terror and then humiliation. The Lab goes 
dark as the Tp leave the Earth..having vanished already.














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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: tpseason cliffhangers 2
Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:28:20 EDT

ONE LAW

1-The TP return from the Galactic Trig. Mike Bell is a new TP who helped his 
gambling Irish neighbor Mr. O'Reilly, open his door after he was locked out. 
O'Reilly owes money to one Lord Gerry Dunning--who has his thugs Two Tone 
(aka Tommy Tone) and Slow stopped by Mike. When Mike visits O'Reilly to tell 
him they won't bother him again...O'Reilly introduces Mike to Lord Dunning 
himself, who smugly sits in a chair and tells the boy he is aware he had an 
adventure with two of his men...

2-Mike, his mother, and his sister (both of whom are very quiet) are now Lord 
Dunning's captives in a cell in the basement of his large estate. Their 
escape is foiled by Lord Dunning who shoots the foot of his butler Thwaits to 
distract a bumbling police officer named Inspector Reg Burke. When Burke 
tells John that Mike and his family was seen around the estate, John demands 
the police raid Dunning's home. They all rush to the home, hoping it is not 
too late...

3-The criminals all finally getting their comeuppance, Lord Dunning included, 
by the plan that Mike alone perfected, making the TP think he was some type 
of renegade, Mike is initiated at the Lab. He tells them they look like a 
pretty straight bunch to him but John says he will have to learn to be 
straightened out (by him?). He is given a jaunting belt and TIM makes a toast 
welcoming him to the TP, "To the new TP."               



























INTO THE UNKNOWN

1-Mike, John, and Stephen try to help alien Rigoran boy Kwann in his space 
shuttle to return to his Fathership. They get him to the Shuttle but now they 
find they cannot return to the Lab via jaunting. They call Liz and TIM 
telepathically...they get cut off...Mike says, "We're trapped."...

2-Liz joining them (bringing along a mini TIM box), Mike, Stephen, Kwann, and 
Kwann's father (the ruler Tirayaan), escape the Fathership in a shuttle. 
John's plan is, in return for being freed by Vaktaan, to help the Fathership 
and the mutinous Vaktaan, Raala, and the cruel crew (the Council of Rigora?) 
to escape the pull of a mysterious hole in space, then jaunt to the Shuttle. 
John does this with help from the mini-TIM box. It is a dangerous jaunt 
across space and John is severely hurt, the Mini-TIM link is destroyed 
totally, and the Shuttle freed by Vaktaan is locked by him onto a course 
directly into the hole in space, while the Fathership and its mutinous crew 
are free to watch them go into it...

3-The shuttle carries the group through the hole's twisted tunnel and now 
toward a light which appears to be the end of the tunnel. Tiryaan tells them 
he is sure it is a way out, challenged by Stephen and Mike. John decides to 
go with Tiryaan's belief in his god Zaytaan that this will bring them out, 
Stephen unsure thinks it could be the end for all of them. The shuttle, its 
passengers unsure of their fate, head toward this light and what looks like a 
new hole... 

4-Kwaan, Tirayaan, Liz, John, Mike, and Stephen escape the pull of the hole; 
Vaktaan's own ray fired from his Fathership enters the twisted hole in space 
and comes out and destroys the Fathership, the hole being a Mobeus Strip 
(twisted like a belt). Kwann and his father reach the lab with the other TP 
and meet TIM and Tyso. Tiryaan tells them he is too old and set in his ways 
to learn new ones when they speak of democracy but Kwann can learn. Mike 
hears one of Tirayaan's lines and feels it would make a great pop song! The 
others chide him for this. 

















THE DIRTIEST GAME

1-Mike tracks down the Russian girl Pavlov to a recording studio where she 
hopes to make a broadcast to her parents back home in Russia. It is being run 
by spies and the woman spy stops her from leaving, locking her in the studio 
and contacting Sergi. Mike appears as Sergi grabs Pavlov, the blond female 
Russian telepath who can read and record the thoughts of everyone she passes 
without knowing she is doing it. Sergi promptly punches Mike in the face and 
stomach and Mike falls. Sergi pulls out a knife and moves it toward Mike's 
throat...

2-Pavlov, implanted with the Russian IX Delta Device, realizes she will 
explode now that the Russian General Zomosky in the Consulate knows she is in 
the hand of SIS Major Ann Turner. Mike, being pulled away to safety by 
Turner, who also knows this, tries to reenter the room to save the 15 year 
old girl with his special powers. Pavlov sees him come back in and to save 
Mike and the others who are nearby, she throws herself out the window. Just 
seconds later, she blows up! Mike feels it is all his fault as he cries, 
crumpled in a corner of the room...





A MUCH NEEDED HOLIDAY

1-To divert Mike's guilt and depression over Pavlov's death, the TP go on a 
holiday suggested by Timus Irnok Moster. On Gallia, Mike and the others 
become involved of the plight of slave boys of the invading alien Kleptons, 
who mine gold in the caves using the boys. One boy, a tiny one called Trog, 
and Mike investigate a village. Just then, two Kleptons arrive, pull off 
Mike's jaunting belt and Trog's matter transfer belt and toss lassos around 
the two! The aliens are on horses and begin to pull the pair toward the 
mines. John, nearby, tells Mike to jaunt. He calls back, "I...I can't! I 
can't!"...

2-Timus arrives after the TP have stopped the Kleptons from using the slaves 
and sent them to the planet Styxus where they will be marooned. Timus tells 
them the Kleptons are gone and all is well on Gallia. He also earlier 
admitted to knowing this was the real reason he sent them to the planet, not 
for archeological digs. Mike, over his depression, tells Timus this place 
made for a great holiday and that next time he wants to go to Buttlins (a 
disco?). When Timus asks if it is in the Galactic Federation, the others joke 
around as they swim in the pool in the Tp enclosure camp.







THE HEART OF SOGGOTH

1-Liz and TIM ponder the odd behavior of Mike and John who seem to not be 
themselves under the evil influence of Jake Marston, the new manager of 
Mike's band the Fresh Hearts, now calling themselves the Heart of Soggoth. 
Liz looks up at TIM, "TIM, I think they've been taken over in some way."...

2-Liz, protected from Soggoth's influence by some unknown force, has stopped 
Soggoth, firing at the African drum Mike was playing. Jake seems to drop to 
hell with only his skeleton left. In the Lab, TIM, John, Mike, and Liz wonder 
what happened. TIM suggests God protected Liz and that Soggoth was the devil. 
Mike suggests that perhaps they should go to church once in a while. Very 
seriously, 
John agrees, "Perhaps we should."... 


THE LOST GODS

1-Hsui Tai, a Japanese-Chinese girl, believes Mike is a flying god named 
Kishnu. She has telepathically contacted him without realizing what she is 
doing. Unfortunately, she contacts him twice while he is flying John's glider 
plane. The second time, Mike is alone of his own doing, and the force is too 
much for his head ("oh my haid?") and the glider crashes, and is destroyed...

2-Hsui Tai, now convinced John and Mike are telling the truth and that John 
is not Satalan (the devil to her) and Mike not Kishnu, stops the burning 
"resurrection"  of Mike and John, saving their lives. In the process and with 
TIM's help, she breaks out and saves the other two. The TP, Hsui Tai now 
among them, see to it that the monastery is put right and that no more 
children will be burned. Matsu Tan and the Sage agree to this. Back at the 
Lab, Hsui Tai appears from her new room wearing more Western and English type 
clothing, rather than the robes she wore at the temple. TIM introduces her as 
a new TP and tells her she looks more like a TP. Mike takes her flying in 
John's new (?) or repaired glider and the two have a well deserved fun time.
















HITLER'S LAST SECRET

1-Mike tells John that if Hitler did come back, he would have to obey him and 
he doesn't understand why, nor does he fathom the reason he has been prone to 
wear Nazi regalia and try to fit in with Nazi youth, as well as later saying 
Sieg Heil. John tells him not to fancy Hitler since Hitler isn't dead as Mike 
tries to argue for reason. Hitler, John says, is actually the galactic shape 
changer Nebor from the planet Vashir (also called Robos IV). At the very 
moment the pair discuss this, young looking--their real age of 40 
suspended--Nazi youth from the 1940's--revive not only the professor 
responsible for this genetic engineering, but also another of their leaders 
who has been in suspended animation of a cryogenic kind. As youth leader Karl 
Brandt and his aide Willi Frisch look on, the doors to the "tomb" open and 
reveal a sleeping Hitler whose eyes pop open immediately!...

2-Mike stuns Hsui Tai, John, and Major Hughes, telling Nebor aka Hitler (aka 
AC Pritchard (?)) that he wants the entire world to hear his message and will 
help him. As Hitler makes the speech on air, Mike stuns him, causing the 
alien to loose molecular control (even though he held it in suspended 
animation for 33 years!). Nebor's real form appears--a melting blob horror. 
Hitler is stopped and taken to a galactic prison. Back in the Lab, Mike tells 
John that he will only obey one other tyrant from now on---John! Hsui Tai and 
TIM join Mike in giving a salute to John.



THE THARGON MENACE

1-John, Mike, and Hsui Tai find two Thargon fugitives, Flynn and Sula, who 
tell them that they are fleeing a corrupt tyranny of their home planet--who 
execute all criminals, no matter how slight their crime. Flynn tells the 
Tomorrow along with Sula that if the Thargon Overlords find them and find 
Earth harboring them, the Overlord's Thickship will totally destroy the Earth 
and everyone on it... 

2-The Tharga Thickship faces the Slim ship that Flynn and Sula are aboard, 
themselves being held hostage by another menace--the insane dictator Pappa 
Minn, a black South American dictator who wants to use the Slim Ship's Ripper 
Ray to threaten the Earth into making him Emperor of it. Flynn and Sula were 
held at gunpoint by him--while criminals they were not mass murderers and 
Minn was about to destroy New York City against their protestations. Attacked 
by Minn, who was warned against this by the two fugitives, the Thargon 
Thickship fires on the smaller vessel, completely destroying it. The Thargons 
chasing them were really the good guys and are really part of a democratic 
system on Tharga--Flynn and Sula, common criminals, were lying. There are in 
fact no Overlords. As John, Mike, and Hsui Tai watch the explosion from the 
Tharga ship in space, Mike says, "That's the last we'll see of General Pappa 
Minn."  John wonders, "Let's hope so, Mike, let's hope so."...    CASTLE OF 
FEAR-

1-Andrew's father, Bruce Forbes, believes his son's new found TP-like 
abilities to make illusions of ghosts, Nessie, and other monsters is the work 
of the devil. He takes him to his castle hotel's basement and locks him in a 
cell, telling him he will stay there until he sees the error of his ways and 
his saves his soul. Andrew calls out to his father--he only did it to save 
the Loch Ness Expedition from America and the business of his father--he 
won't do it again. His protests fall on deaf ears as his father leaves the 
dungeon-like basement...


2-Andrew's illusion of Scottish warriors and Highlanders battle the Tp 
illusions of British Redcoats. The battle ended, Andrew found with the 
combined help of Bruce Forbes, his old war pal Angus (both of whom were 
healed by TIM after they had a fight over freeing Andrew--Angus wanted to 
free the young boy), and the four TP, Liz, Mike, John, and Hsui Tai, Andrew 
feels better about what he is. He isn't frightened as Mike appears on top of 
the tower Andrew was hiding on top and the two talk about being the same. 
Andrew joins the TP.


ACHILLES'S HEEL

1-Andrew, his powers gone, watches the two space criminals, Cantor and Yagon, 
mine for the power draining mineral barlimin beneath Loch Ness not far from 
his castle home. Not wearing protective goggles as the two aliens, he is 
blinded as they mine and when there is a large explosion and Andrew screams 
wildly, falling down...
  
2-Hsui Tai and Andrew are left to save the day when John, Liz, and Mike prove 
ineffective against the plot by Yagon and Cantor to spread barlimin across 
the universe, rendering all telepathic life forms helpless. The trio were hit 
with a blast of it and are powerless to help. The non-psi aliens are stopped 
by Hsui Tai and Andrew, who are guided in stopping the barlimin explosion by 
the dog-like alien Glip. Yagon and Cantor are given over to the Galactic 
Trig. Timus meets Hsui Tai and Andrew for the first time and congratulates 
them on saving the universe.

 










THE LIVING SKINS

1-John and Liz, concerned over the strange alien Volvoids which had tried to 
form a parasitic connection to Mike and Hsui Tai, leave Andrew alone in the 
Lab reading. They go to the store where Mike, Liz, Hsui Tai, and Andrew were 
shopping earlier and all except Andrew bought the bubble skin suits--which 
turned out to be the aliens in disguise. Andrew falls asleep, the book 
falling from his hands. While one bubble skin jumpsuit attacks TIM--at the 
same time, John and Liz, lured by the store manager Wilton into the store's 
basement, are pushed by the man into the bubble creatures themselves. The 
things are growing all over the basement. In the Lab, as TIM's table is 
attacked and covered, another bubble skin jumpsuit, covers Andrew's mouth, 
trying to kill him...

2-John's stinkin' cold is given to the whole Earth and this repels the 
Volvoid Bubble skin jumpsuit aliens, leaving store man Wilton in his 
underwear and the Earth free and safe of the parasitic aliens. Later, Mike, 
Liz, Hsui Tai, and John all have the cold with Mike telling John he will 
never tease him again about not having given something to everyone...even if 
it is his cold. Andrew, bright and chipper, arrives in the room where John 
and the others commiserate about their colds, ready to go shopping for new 
clothes. Liz tells him no, they like him just the way he is. John and the 
others sneeze.      






























WAR OF THE EMPIRES

1-While Timus and Liz are in deep space trying to end the hostilities between 
the Thargon and Sorsen races, two factions of each race are warring near 
Earth's Moon. John and Mike save two Earth astronauts (from American NASA 
Mission Howdy Neighbor) named Morgan Evans and Dave Ricardo, leaving them in 
the care of Hsui Tai and Andrew in the Lab. The pair were caught in between 
the battling warships and their shuttle was blown up. John goes to the Sorsen 
spaceship to request a cease fire. Mike goes to the Thargon spacecraft where 
the Captain, aware he is being defeated by the Sorsen's craft, takes Mike 
hostage in a force field of some type, believing Mike to be a Galactic Trig 
Fed officer and that the Sorsens would not dare kill him or attack while he 
is aboard. When John relays this to the Sorsen commander, the 
annelid-crab-worm man doesn't care and orders for his crew to fire on the 
Thargon spaceship, pushing John's protestations aside and even pushing him 
aside as he tries to hold back the arm of a Sorsen who is firing. It doesn't 
matter--the shot is fired...

2-General Vishishnou, a Sorsen commander, lands on Earth and collaborates 
with the American President, who has already heard of the Tomorrow 
People--the former President, he says, already met them (SEE OR RATHER 
READ--THE NOVEL THREE IN THREE-THE GURU). Even though the TP have saved his 
astronauts, this President doesn't care for them much and is offered and 
takes a barlimin gun from the Sorsens. After a long debate with both Hsui Tai 
and Mike, who have gone to the White House to try to make the President see 
reason and not cooperate with the Sorsens, the President, not obliging since 
neither Mike nor Hsui Tai are American and the TP haven't been voted in and 
elected to represent the Earth to the Galactic Federation, takes out his stun 
gun and fires it at Mike. Mike begins to fall out of his chair, shaking into 
convulsions...

3-Andrew, having rescued Mike and Hsui Tai from the American military, posing 
as an American, now forms a plan with Mike to rescue John. John, speaking out 
against the Galactic Trig council for their lack of motivation and 
stagnation, is held in contempt of their court and is placed in a detention 
cell guarded by a mean looking alien creature-man. In rescuing John from the 
Trig, using Morgan in a stolen Sorsen spacecraft, Morgan also destroys both a 
Sorsen pursuit spaceship and a dome on the Trig-a waste disposal unit. No one 
is killed but the Galactic Council let John go and fearful, tell him they 
will not help the TP against the Thargons now. It seems the entire Thargon 
fleet is approaching Earth and the dumb President is about to fire a nuclear 
missile at the fleet...and in retaliation the Thargon fleet will probably 
destroy the entire Earth...John reckons that the Tp now stand alone against 
the entire fleet...  

4-The ruse of several illusions having worked against the angry Thargon fleet 
as well as John and Mike splitting the fleet across the galaxy via matter 
transporters, the Earth is temporarily safe. Sooner or later the fleet will 
regroup and return...

The TP leave the Sorsen ship and go back to the Trig, summoned by Timus to 
the Trig...and it is not a trap...The Federation has realized the error of 
their old ways of non interference and will defend closed worlds and enforce 
the laws. The chair alien of the committee thanks John. Andrew tells them he 
is glad they are part of the Federation once again. Timus tells them not the 
old Federation but a new one, reorganized, one that will look to young people 
like the Tomorrow People for guidance...             





                  



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: tpcraft
Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:31:28 EDT

TOMORROW CRAFT

Spaceships and technology on the Tomorrow People were always handled with 
imagination, even if not completely successful. The list that follows tries 
to include spaceships, stations, and devices used in the particular story.

THE SLAVES OF JEDIKIAH
This featured the introduction of the tech laden Lab, TIM (the bio computer 
with personality engrams with a memory implanted in living tissue and with 
bio fluids encased in bubbles and tubes), the jaunting belts, the stun guns, 
the first AE suits (adaptable to any environment suits that contain 
temperature controls, magnetic lift which helps the Tp and Chris sleep in A 
RIFT IN TIME, anti grav controls, oxygen supply, a spectrashift unit, built 
in jaunting devices, and other marvels), the jaunt pads, Kenny's multi 
colored-triangular communicator to TIM, and the map grid in the Lab used to 
locate the breaking out Stephen. Also seen were the silencer bands, the laser 
gun used by Jedikiah and Ginge which was also used to freeze the TP in the 
lab, the hyper space machine trap planted in the tunnel. The spaceship used 
by Rash, the Cyclops looked a lot like a giant handheld iron with a large 
funnel attached to it. Inside it fared a bit better--but not much--with 
twisting corridors, hanging tubes and wires, and two large rooms, one with 
the gas the Cyclops lived off of. In all, this was packed with technology. 
Jedikiah is said to be a shapechanging bionic robot. He uses a brainwash 
device to control Stephen and this was set up in Bentham Hall. There is also 
a device to teleport an entire room up to the spaceship. And a bomb left in 
its place. AE suits are used in space. TIM makes food and drink for Stephen.

THE MEDUSA STRAIN
This featured the Time Lock and the Time Key. The time key has an adjustment 
made to it through the use of a Beater Ray so that a non telepath can use it. 
Coppin, the android was aboard the hyper spaceship of Rubowski in the year 
2523. This spaceship was better looking in design than the one on SLAVES. It 
contained a disintergrater gun and cannon, an airlock, and some kind of anti 
grav which held Carol up when she was first brought aboard unconscious. There 
is also a Medusa cage which blocks its powers when closed and keeps it in 
check somewhat--otherwise it would grow larger. The cages Rubowski keeps 
Ginge and the others in are made of tinatrium. Rubowski also uses some of 
explosive to disintergrate the door to the first Lab. Jedikiah once again 
appears as a mechanical robot. The Time Lock can lock time and freeze it. The 
Tp lab has a photographic darkroom. AE suits used in hyperspace. The scanner 
screen television is used to see the invaders of the Lab.

THE VANISHING EARTH
AE suits are used to go near a volcano and to freezing cold temperatures 
while they use Neutrino Cannons to analyze what is happening on the Earth. 
The scanners are used to see stock footage of storms and hurricanes and such. 
Sandor used a matter transmitter to get victims to Spidron's underground 
complex which was used to mine magnamite. Spidron also uses a mind probe to 
probe Ginge--although a second grade spelling test would have done just as 
well. Steen tells the Tp that there are 64 million planets in the Galactic 
Federation with another one million about to become eligible. There are also 
the usual assortment of bombs (one in the Thames) and laser-electric type 
weapons.

THE BLUE AND THE GREEN
John and Stephen use Hyper Space Tracking gear to find Liz when she is lost 
in hyper space-it is actually a Life Detector. They wear AE suits in hyper 
space and also when going into outer space later on--incidentally going to 
one of their Watchdog Satellites--the closest one being NASA's unused Skylab 
(before it crashed down). Apparently there are a whole string of such small 
space stations abandoned by the Saps but now converted by the TP with help 
from the Galactic Feds to be made into a monitoring system. There is also a 
camera system set up by John and Stephen to monitor the painting in Liz and 
Stephen's school. TIM suggests a spectra scope analysis. Most of the other 
devices are the aliens--mainly the paintings of other planets. The scanner is 
used to see fighting going on in the other parts of the world.

A RIFT IN TIME
Here, the AE suits are given updates: they have a spectrashift sender which 
attached to any of the Tp, can act for Saps that are with them, namely Chris. 
Spectra shifts give illusions operated by a telepathic mind which make one 
see what the telepath wants you to see. The AE suits also allow Stephen and 
others to sleep a centimeter off the ground. John used a disruptor pack to 
disintergrate the remains of Gaius's steam engine. Gaius uses a time pump to 
get away, leaving it on when he leaves to blow up. The TP use trackers to 
find it and the Time Guardians use a time trap to catch Stephen. And of 
course, we cannot forget the time discs, time travel devices used by the 
Guardians of Time to travel and research time. In the Lab spot on planet Rome 
in the alternate universe, there are many devices in what seems to be a 
library of sorts and several survelliance devices. This is also the first 
appearance of the laser pencil. It is used by Chris to get the chains off 
Stephen and Peter. 

THE DOOMSDAY MEN
The TP use Chris's piece of junk van to fly into space but still wear their 
AE suits. The UN space station named Damocles has a central rotor--a gravity 
wheel, a deadman's switch which will enable the ship to fire 16 deadly rocket 
missiles at the Earth (the force of 50,000 megatons). On the station (serial 
number LM 377 X)  there is only four fifths the gravity of Earth and the men 
have four months length of duty. Lee Wan is one of these men and it is he the 
TP save in Chris's van. TIM does a voice comparision analasis when Stephen 
gets him Douglas's voice recording and also intercepts messages on secret 
microlink channels of the British government. TIM makes food and drink for 
Stephen (who else) but also for John and Liz. TIM burns John's toast (on 
accident?). The Space Station uses a laser channel as a private top secret 
transmitter of messages. 

SECRET WEAPON
TIM acts a telephone and the number to the Lab is 175-2004 but I believe this 
is changed in REVENGE OF JEDIKIAH. TD-94 is the number given to a small 
device, a closed circuit spy camera that Masters has Tricia Conway plant in 
Prof. Cawston's office inside one of his books. When found, it gives off an 
alarm, a warning to ward off anyone who finds it--as it will soon blow up! 
Masters and Tricia use the drug synaptrial and fire it from special guns (a 
mental tranquilizer, it shuts down all mental activity). Liz gives Cawston a 
ring which is really a homing device so the TP can track him when he is taken 
to Masters's establishment. Masters has a wild looking truth device 
(brainwash device?) which turns and which seems to lower from the ceiling at 
Cawston's couch chair. Within the nesting doll Liz is supposed to smuggle out 
of Russia for Masters, is a device that can be used to control a person's 
mind as well as read it. Not so fun devices in this one, heh?

           
    




































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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: tpplanets
Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:32:06 EDT

PLANETS OF TP UNIVERSE: 

Sophistra-a "lovely"  planet or at least that is how the TP described it. 
Carol, John, and Kenny visited it once or twice. It was populated by what 
seemed to be kindly old philosopers who we know had crusier class ships (one 
took Rash, the Cyclops home in THE SLAVES OF JEDIKIAH after the TP matter 
transferred him to it).

Spyra-Kenny went on a mission to this world but we know nothing about it. 
Kenny does return though. Apparently it is a planet of Spies--get it, huh?

Rigora-located in the Alpha Star Region of the Regus 7 star cluster, this 
planet appeared to have a few rebellious non-contents, ruled by one man, 
Tir-Ay-Ann, father of Kwann although they also had the Cheifs of Rigora. They 
have advanced spaceships called Fatherships and smaller ones known as 
shuttles. These ships have strong forcefields which, not designed for, 
nevertheless, block the powers of TP. By the end of the episode INTO THE 
UNKNOWN, Tir-Ay-Ann and Kwann seemed to want to know more about democracy. So 
maybe that will change their government but I doubt that would happen so fast.

Adonisia--Carol married an Adonisian counselor, described in the novels as 
somewhat birdlike in look and communication, beautiful looking beings, not 
unlike birds and angels. Carol had at least one son named Nova. Their 
language is very different from Earth's languages, being clicks and chirps.

Rexell 4-Stephen claimed to have visited Rexell 4 in THE BLUE AND THE 
GREEN--a planet with strange rock formations and odd colors all around it. 
This was painted by one of Robert's people. The planet itself seemed to be a 
flat plain.

QX5-another planet mentioned during THE BLUE AND THE GREEN--another planet 
painted by someone on Earth--one of the alien Degenerteeli--Robert's people 
named Gavin Watson, the 8th planet of two suns. The planet itself has two 
suns and is very pretty at certain times of the year.   

Gallia-dry, desert like primitive planet with caves of gold--and hills, 
strange planet life that seem to be more alive than the plants of Earth; a 
very large sun. Some pools of water and gas litter the planet. The natives 
seem very peaceful (when the alien slave masters--the Klepton aren't using 
their male children to dig in the mines) and live in adobe type clay huts and 
towns. The people speak a very different language. The inhabitants are said 
to be non telepathic but Timus seems able to make them talk in English. 

Robos IV-also called Vashir-the planet of Nebor, a shape changing blob faced 
alien who was one of the fake Hitlers during WWII. (The other Hitler fake was 
AC Pritchard of the year 2300 AD as Rubowski tells us in THE MEDUSA STRAIN).

The Medusa home world-this planet has these Medusas to feed on the 
overpopulated telepathic life forms that dominate the world and keeps a 
status on the population growth. Off the planet, they can grow much larger, 
green ugly blobs with tentacles and bug eyes.

Peeri-a forestry planet with some rocks and caves--and pyramids built by the 
Kulthan as they did on Earth. The planet also has castles similar to Medevil 
Castles on Earth--with dungeons. The Vesh, the TP of this world, are 
persecuted by the religion the Kulthan have set up---and the Vesh Takers are 
to round them up using Vesh Hounds and villagers to burn them atop the castle 
roofs--on stakes. Another primitive planet but not as primitive as 
Gallia--and not as peaceful. However, when the TP stop the Kulthan machines, 
the Vesh-TPs can realize their full powers and be full TP. It is bright and 
hazy at times, but at others looks as if it has just rained.

Planebos-is the detention center mentioned in ACHILLES' HEEL and where Cantor 
was imprisoned. Yagon helped him escape.

Galactic Federation--this Federation of Telepathic Worlds is said to have 64 
million planets belonging to it according to Galactic Agent Harry Steen in 
THE VANISHING EARTH. 

Stix-a barren, lifeless planet where John sends the Kleptons who enslaved 
Trig, Trog, and the rest of the boys on the planet Gallia. He tells them Stix 
is a harsh environment and the Kleptons will have to fight for survival there.

Tharga-although we see Thargons more than once, we learn little about their 
home planet. We do know they elect their officials and were once very war 
like. Proud and green, silver, and multicolored people, they are not evil, 
just strong in their beliefs. They have a Council and fly superadvanced 
starships. They were at one time at war with the Sorson annelid race. 

Trysta-a planet where men are ruled by apes!!! No just kidding. The ape 
people of this planet were known by Peter in A RIFT IN TIME. They are said to 
be very peaceful and freedom loving. In the alternate time lane where Earth 
was named Rome and was manipulated by Gaius, the Trystans were slaves on 
Rome, serving the Roman humans, taken from their home planet Trysta.

Other planets that we know must exist: a home planet for the following: 
Sorsons, Volvoids, Kulthans, Rash-the Cyclops, Steen, Timus, Sandor, Cantor 
and Yagon, Glip, Robert and the Degenerteeri, Gaius (who Peter claims is not 
from Earth--not even human), and last and least---the Family of the Ship--the 
Momma, Elmer, and Emily.  

From the novels:

Crito-the planet where the telepathic boy Arlon came from--his cries could 
put out all TP and also those not yet broken out! Also Saav and Goras came 
from this world.

Barren 6-a dying planet, dying since its star is going nova. It contains the 
little cute Nola Bears, one of whom Stephen takes back to Earth with him at 
the end of the story. Other Nola Bears were saved and brought to Matra. Nola 
Bears can change shape to what you want them to be. Stephen thought of a 
puppy. The Mothers of Matra thought of a cute little Stephen.  

Matra--a planet inhabited by giant women who want something to care 
for--called the Mothers of Matra. First they get their hands on Stephen, who 
is like a tiny doll to them. Then the TP give them the Nola Bears. The planet 
seemed somewhat Medevil-like but happily so.

Friga-a world of permanent snow and warm sunshine where Stephen liked to ski.

Regus 6-The alien reptiles the Kraatans had to be relocated to this planet, 
the main setback of it being the alien Thrall monster--a giant crab like 
thing which they have to learn to fight. The previous home of this non 
telepathic race was destroyed. 

Saiyonara-a planet not unlike China and Japan with Oriental like aliens. The 
Guardians on the planet were tricked into trying to kill the rightful little 
boy Prince--Saiyan and his Tutor. The evil man who did this---had Medusa on 
the planet in a pit. They also had the ability to send a Stephen android to 
the Lab--a bomb.


From the comics (an overpopulated universe here):

Arkon-in the Demeter star system, this world has a Grand Council and a 
Supreme Ruler. The core of the planet is heating up so they sent their giant 
sea dragon life forms to Earth to see if they can live there. The Tp flood 
the core of Arkon and save the planet but the three dragons on Earth are 
killed by the Saps.

Zathria-the planet where the evil Mikkon, a rebel telepathic killer is from.

Gakra-the planet where the alien Churt came from and he used robots against 
the TP.

Trivega-the alien Kramm came from this world, which must have newly 
telepathic beings since it is new to the Federation.  

Theseus 4-the Kardakians and Kardak come from this planet (!?). They use 
Blastarn guns and rifles, AirMastrons--planes and train-like thingees. Part 
of their language is the word Granak--which is one of the words Trig and Trog 
of Gallia used, also Vaktaan of Rigora. Hmmmmm, univeral relations?

Zettar-the alien Trig ambassador came from this planet and so did his son 
Jekk, a brat who runs away.

Jessor-is the planet where Jekk runs away to. It is a nature reserve and 
holiday complex, presumably part of the Galactic Trig. There is one area of 
it called the Forbidden Zone (a place where apes are ruled by men--no, sorry) 
where a giant dragon called the Pargyx is. The TP have to save Jekk from it. 
Would you?

Thexians-all we know for sure is that their leader is Tegon, who wants to 
invade (oh hum) Earth.

Philemon Beta-has an empty space dock which the living plants use to try to 
invade Earth--actually they do invade Earth. The original inhabitants of 
Philemon Beta may have been killed off by these plants.

Theres-wolf faced aliens invade Earth using the youth controlled by the 
aliens' rock group Starway.

Cyclax-the alien Mysterio came from here.

Armeria and Kallia-Armerians and Kallians have been at war in space since 
long before there was life on Earth. This is a pair of races that are more 
messed up than Earthlings.

Vonaria-is the planet where the insane Lorian-who killed a Spanish Crew (?!?) 
to get to the Trig (?) so he could kill a tyrant (what is a tyrant doing on 
the Trig?).

Vinnika-a tyrant on the Trig (see above ?) had made all Vonarians his slaves, 
the tyrant is in the Minian system. The less said about anything about this 
comic story the better.

Jannaz-a planet ruled by Karnak

Medran-a planet of shapechangers who when they change, have minor flaws 
noticed in their copy.

Aquas-is a watery planet with cliffs and waterfalls--and gill people called 
Aquas. Two, Renf and Manx come to Earth to enlist help from the TP. Aquas's 
peace was broken by the 30 survivors of a civil war--the wolf giants called 
Luxon, whose own home world was destroyed by war among themselves. The wolf 
creatures landed in a shuttle. The Luxons want to eat.

Branza in the Third Galaxy-a delegate named Spiros is on the Trig (aren't all 
Trig members supposed to be telepathic?); he tells the Tp that their home 
world is ruled by the Cloud Minders from Star Trek. Just kidding, just seeing 
if you're awake. Really though, the plot of one of the comics uses Star 
Trek's Cloud Minders heavilly! The people on this planet have been bred from 
birth to believe the air is polluted and poisonous. This is so the workers in 
the mine shaft stay there and mine sulfur for the Dominator--who turns out to 
be a giant beetle but is really a giant rat called Haiphon, the Pretender to 
the Madric Star, thrown out for treason.

Madric Star-see above if you dare.

Phari- a tiny planet with tiny people who can build spaceships that make it 
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From: Wendy Kelley <ladyslvr@xmission.com>
Subject: TPDIS: headers
Date: 18 Apr 2000 21:33:24 -0500

Just a reminder that it isn't necessary to put TPDIS:
or tpdis: at the front of the subject line.  The list
software puts it there automatically.




...
Wendy

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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: tpseason 5,6,7
Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:23:47 EDT





SEASON FIVE review

This season experimented quite a bit with the formula just as Season Three 
did. While Season Four's shortness is reiterated here, Season Four played it 
safe with rather traditional stories (INTO THE UNKNOWN had some wild things 
going on but it wasn't too different). Season Five, on the other hand, tried 
new and different things for the show. It had to--it had lost two very good 
characters in Stephen and Tyso. Stephen had been around a lot longer and did 
more but he really had more ahead of him. Tyso, we hardly had a chance. He 
was just beginning to find his background and past and viewers should have 
expected growth upon that. Alas, this season started out with the hinderance 
of losing two vital and driven characters. There is no explanation given to 
their whereabouts and this also hurt the series, which up to now, at least 
had some kind of continuity. As the characters on MYSTERY SCIENCE THEATER 
might say, "They just didn't care." 

Noting that, THE DIRTIEST BUSINESS proves that Season Five still had a 
chance. The tale builds on SECRET WEAPON somewhat and in many ways it betters 
it. The acting is not as good and Mike and Pavla sometimes get on one's 
nerves with their coy love platitudes: they hardly know each other even at 
the time of her death. But they were young actors and both did a very good 
job with what they had. What they had was a good tight script, perhaps helped 
by the fact that this story was a two parter. Some tales in the past, THE 
BLUE AND GREEN for one, could have lost an episode or two, while others such 
as ONE LAW might have been better if they had gained one episode. Many of the 
shorter tales, such as A MUCH NEEDED HOLIDAY and HEART OF SOGGOTH this season 
five, seem to have such depth but appear to be presented with missing parts, 
leaving the audience with the idea that they have missed something. Indeed, 
the novelizations of ONE LAW and the stories in Season Six prove this to be 
true. There was a great deal more information given and in ONE LAW, an entire 
sequence where Stephen visits Mrs. Bell. The time between Mike's being freed 
from Dunning's house and the time Stephen and Tyso train him contain many 
more ideas and scenes that we didn't see. I wonder how many scenes were 
dropped from THE DIRTIEST BUSINESS, A MUCH NEEDED HOLIDAY, and THE HEART OF 
SOGGOTH, all three two parters from this season. Thus, the two parters tend 
to disappoint for their brevity. 

DIRTIEST BUSINESS, admittedly, would have been better served if Pavla were a 
main and regularly appearing character and then had died saving Mike the way 
she did. A soap opera format would have made her death scene hit us with more 
impact---but perhaps this is not what was wanted on a children's series. It 
is really quite a shock all the same. 

Villains this season were multi faceted and also very different from one 
another. Major Ann Turner was a human who cared about the TP and people in 
general but didn't care if she had to sacrifice Pavla--she didn't want her to 
die nor did she want Mike to die and tried to save him--she, like Col. 
Masters before her was just obligated to do her duty. She did seem very cold 
at first though. 

The two Russians were equally dimensional: the leader didn't want to kill 
Pavla but did, using his machine to explode her, not having to see the result 
of his handiwork death wielding power. I often wondered why he felt so 
moved--was he related to the girl in some way. The underling, Sergi, also did 
not seem as if he wanted Pavla to die and perhaps he had some motive as well. 
Both were very human indeed. 

Jake Marston in THE HEART OF SOGGOTH was one totally given over to the devil, 
aka Soggoth. He was a college professor, actually seemingly respected by his 
students (at least the ones we met such as Susan Gill seemed not to dislike 
him or mock him in any way). Jake was, as many cultists are, driven by 
fanatical desires to serve his master's will, and by greed for grabbing some 
of Soggoth's power for himself. He was ruthless and wanted John to kill Liz. 
Even so, when John couldn't (since he was a TP and they can't kill--although 
John came close under the evil influence of the powerful Soggoth) Jake took 
up the knife himself to do it. He failed since Liz jaunted away but he wasn't 
squeamish about doing so. Jake also didn't care if Mike used Liz to find out 
about the African drum but he did use Liz's seeming jealousy against the band 
and Liz herself. Jake took on the role of driving the boys and replacing Liz 
in their hearts (to risk another bad pun) as John notes to her. Jake was an 
underling but he also seemed to have his own plans for getting power. It 
should be noted that there were other cult members shown--several times. They 
must still be out there...

Gremlon and his cohort Kleptons are from a planet that believes in slavery to 
meet their own ends. They too want something: the gold in the mines and they 
use the children of the planet Gallia to get it for them. In the novel (which 
had the team of John, Liz, Tyso and Stephen rather than John, Liz, and Mike), 
we learn they killed Trig's older brother and his team that went out to greet 
them. Only one survived. The Kleptons, in both the novel and an even earlier 
version in the Look In comics (which had the team of John, Carol, Kenny, and 
a younger Stephen), were portrayed as regular humanoid men with beards and 
stocky bodies using hounds to track the escaped boys. The preferred version, 
this time, is the TV versions, with their seemingly worm eaten green 
faces--they look very alien, if a bit cumbersome. One of my friends who wrote 
a novelization of all the tales, refers to them as the Jiffy Pop Aliens (JFA) 
due to the way their headpieces look. Strange and goofy as they may seem, 
these aliens are probably the most well thought out in visual design and look 
of the entire series. These aliens are just mean and they are also given to 
torture and cruelty to children (witness what they do to Trig, Trog, Mike and 
the other Gallian children).

Again, we have different tales, one taking place mostly in London but 
involving Russians and off camera, a revisit to the Prime Minister (I did 
wish for more links to SECRET WEAPON-there were still more the mind 
controlling devices loose in Russia remember), a car chase around the city, 
and even at a disco-restaurant or two. Another took place almost totally (the 
pre credit sequence involving a link to the earlier THE DIRTIEST BUSINESS as 
Mike feels sorry he caused Pavla's death) on another planet--the nicely 
conceived Gallia (which looks very alien in design, unlike the very Earthy 
Peeri in WORLD'S AWAY or A MUCH NEEDED HOLIDAY-the comic and novel versions 
of this story which also looked earth like). HEART OF SOGGOTH took place in 
discos and at a TV studio as well as a cult headquarters. HEART OF SOGGOTH 
sets up a very menacing atmosphere to it which builds and reminds me of the 
classic film CURSE OF THE DEMON from 1957 with Dana Andrews.

Mike's headstrong ways once more come to the fore as he ignores John's orders 
to jaunt and leave Trog, the little boy Gallian, does his best to save Pavla 
on his own (at one time mentioning he would like to be a James Bond type 
which John tells him they cannot), and telling Liz off when she interrupts 
his concert when it looks as if it were possessed by the devil. Mike also 
shows his soft side by telling John perhaps they should go to church 
admitting they shouldn't be quick to cast off God and other supernatural 
things as just baloney. If the series had to lose Tyso and Stephen, it was 
lucky to have such a strong character and actor to replace them with. Yet, 
they were still missed. It was interesting to find out John never went to a 
disco and wasn't sure he'd really like it. This showed a human fault to his 
personality--he felt silly revealing this to Liz. 

The clothing in A MUCH NEEDED HOLIDAY is quite a change. Liz's dr
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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: tpseason 8, possible gobetween, new series
Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:24:39 EDT


SEASON EIGHT

If only one story can be a season, then I guess this is it. I have heard 
rumors to the effect that there was supposed to be another part to this 
season, perhaps by way of another set of two episodes stories, one two 
parter, or another four parter. This was not to be so for whatever reason (a 
strike maybe?). I have also heard that there were scripts or a script written 
to that effect. Rumors also abound about the possibility that another season 
(NINE) was planned with one last story and that, too, has some kind of script 
written.

Whatever the truth is, it is out there (sorry, a little X FILES humor there 
and let us face it, X FILES needs a little humor). WAR OF THE EMPIRES, 
despite all the above was to be the very last of the original (and that word 
has a double meaning here) THE TOMORROW PEOPLE stories. Links to the former 
two seasons are pretty good. Andrew is still using illusions--but now they 
are UFOs---to keep the castle guests coming. His father doesn't appear and 
the castle only appears briefly at the beginning. Liz is once more on a 
mission for the Trig, this time with Timus--and we see them on it, too! The 
Thargon race returns--perhaps the most well thought out race on the series, 
this time, minus the stupid little puppets--thank goodness. Alien intrigue 
and Earth prejudice and Sap stupidity combine in this story which is laced 
with the faulty reasoning of the Trig to just sit by and do nothing. Doing 
nothing, it is told to them by John, is worse than doing the wrong and-or 
futile thing. John is held in contempt of court on the Trig. Yes, we see the 
Trig. Outside shots of the Trig, the model work is adequate and decent (the 
same is true of both alien races's spaceships). 

The interior could use some work on all the ships but even these sets are not 
bad. The poor CSO work as the ships move about space and Earth as well as the 
moon, is amazingly bad, perhaps even worse than in THE SLAVES OF JEDIKIAH and 
THE MEDUSA STRAIN. In times when Gerry Anderson had been doing such things as 
UFO and SPACE: 1999, Irwin Allen perfecting TV effects in VOYAGE TO THE 
BOTTOM OF THE SEA, LOST IN SPACE, and mostly in THE TIME TUNNEL and LAND OF 
THE GIANTS; and STAR WARS just coming out, the effects in WAR OF THE EMPIRES 
is kind of, well, boring. One can put up with it though---since the story is 
of more scope than several of the past stories of the last three or four 
seasons. In any event, the Trig is manned (?) by a host of alien creatures, 
only one of them in any way effective looking (the guard of John's cell). The 
others are just childish looking and seem like stuffed dolls! And the voice 
of the speaker is so irritating, one can scream!          

We have the American military, the stubborn and warlike Thargons, the sneaky 
American President (who seems like Jimmy Carter and mentions the one 
continuity line with the novel THREE IN THREE when he tells his aide that the 
previous President met these TP--in the short story THE GURU), the 
aforementioned Galactic Trig and the Council, as well as the listless 
Sorsens. The Sorsens (or sore sins as Andrew says when he fakes an American 
accent) are terribly conceived creatures which make most of the first two 
episodes slow and boring which can also be true of the American President's 
speeches throughout all four episodes. Ironically, though a lot happens in 
the first two episodes, with all the padding cut from all four, this one 
could have been shorter, maybe three or even two episodes. 

A nice touch was the Morgan-Ricardo save scene and how Mike was imprisoned, 
then let free when it looked as if the Thargon commander who had trapped him 
would also lose his whole ship and crew. He had honor and let Mike go. The Tp 
save the US astronauts, bring them to the Lab (why, I don't know), and later, 
when John is held by the Trig, Mike and Andrew come up with a plan to rescue 
him by stealing one of the Sorsen spaceships that is being held by the US 
military. Morgan is a fun character and the contrast between his military 
bravado and machismo bull crud against the TP's peaceful ways is clever. Hsui 
Tai is particularly upset that Morgan shot at the Trig and even destroyed one 
of the Sorsen ships. 

The ending with the five Tp linking to give the Thargon fleet an illusion of 
an entire attack armada of Sorsen ships (the real Sorsens having left the 
Earth to its fate at the hands of the Thargons) is very nice. Tying that in 
with the Trig's realization that non interference is not the answer and in 
turning over a new leaf (I wish the Federation on all the STAR TREK shows 
would learn that their hypocrisy feeding Prime Directive is just as 
tiresome), we get a fairly satisfying end to the story, if not the entire 
series. 

Timus wraps it up with a speech about how a new glorious era of peace and 
hope for all races everywhere was starting for young people such as the TP 
from Earth due to the TP from Earth. It was quite an ending and still feels 
as if more stories should follow it, which of course they never did. 

Unless of course, we dream: Adam broke out and met the five current TP on 
Earth. Something or someone (Soggoth, Jedikiah, Gaius, Spidron) took over the 
Galactic Trig, destroying it utterly (Carol, Kenny, Steen, Carol's family, 
Tykno, Tricia Conway and Timus all die--or we think they die trying to defend 
it--some get away but are thrust into another dimension for a bit), except 
for one lone spaceship from another psi-planet, aboard which were the race 
memories of all the psi planets of the Federation. The five Tp and the new 
one, young Adam from Australia, try to intercept this craft and do, with 
extreme danger. In the course of doing so, Hsui Tai dies during the transmat. 
John, Mike, and Liz get aboard the craft. In it, they find a wounded Stephen, 
who dies, telling them they must get this ship to Earth--that will stop the 
forces of evil from  taking over Earth--the psi energy when mixed with 
unknown powers emanating from Earth will repel the alien attackers. 

In the meantime, Adam has his hands full when Andrew is captured by Professor 
Galt, who accidentally but not caring, kills him during one of his 
experiments. Adam turns his sadness toward helping the others steer the 
damaged and pursued ship toward the Earth using his powers. John, Mike, and 
Liz dangerously jaunt to the three spacecraft where Mike finds Tyso is 
controlled totally by Jedikiah -and is casting an illusion of Pavlov to 
control Mike but Mike ends up killing Tyso who kills him, blasting the ship 
using its master control panel. John encounters Jedikiah on the other ship 
who has Ginge, Lefty, and Chris Harding under his power; and Liz encounters 
Soggoth who has Mike's band and Rubowski under his power. Both John and Liz 
meet similar fates as Mike. The aliens, destroyed by the three TP (who go 
insane and die since they can't kill), fling their spaceship into the alien 
craft to blow it up. But Adam, trying a dangerous plan of his own, jaunts to 
it using a damaged TIM--who was being attacked by the SIS Major Turner once 
more. Adam takes TIM's core memory out as the SIS destroy the Lab 
inadvertently trying to get in--and lead by General Damon and a new Col. 
Masters--the brother of the other one. Damon is brainwashed when he resists 
doing this. 

In the meantime, Adam jaunts to the ship and gets it away from the fireballs 
that were once his friends and the alien attackers spaceships. He even 
managed to get TIM's memory core to a safe spot on board and finds Stephen's 
body in a freezing chamber in suspended animation. But a door closes over it 
and he can't get it open. Adam crash lands the ship into the sea, jaunting at 
the last possible moment, ending up in the sea himself--his memory gone from 
the blast and shock. Then thereby, hang five more tales. And then again, 
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REVIEW OF THE TOMORROW PEOPLE-9esses and 
outfits were interesting as were the alien Gallian outfits. Mike also got to 
reveal quite a bit of skin here as did John. But for once, the costumes 
looked alien and also came off as pretty and colorful.                   

This season put Mike through the ringer (he was nearly stabbed in the neck 
after being punched in the face, hogtied and dragged off by horses and riders 
to be put in a small, cramped cell in a cave, tranquilized several times, 
possessed by Soggoth and the drum and was too close to Jake when Liz shot the 
drum out from under Mike himself, and guilt ridden over losing his first true 
love to death by his own moves). Yet, he came through it all, changed but 
intact.

If Season Five were any indication of the show's future without Stephen and 
Tyso, then it would live on with some quality behind it, despite operating 
under the deficit. Whether or not this was to be, remains to be seen.   










SEASON SIX

Well, another six episode season, this entire thing was novelized into one 
novel (and as with A MUCH NEEDED HOLIDAY via the anthology FOUR INTO THREE 
and also ONE LAW, there is more information in the novel than we saw or heard 
televised). The soldier who held Hsui Tai and even shot her, tries to save 
her as the island blows up and John reveals that his father fought in WWII 
and Mike's did also.  

Hsui Tai, ahh yes, no one seems to like her much. Except me. It isn't so much 
the idea that is bothersome--the concept behind the character is very good 
and interesting--I think it would have been better handled by an actress with 
more experience. But, none of the regular cast had extensive experience and 
certainly the woman who played Hsui Tai probably had the least. That not 
withstanding, she really doesn't come across much in this season but just her 
unusual background is enough to make her interesting and different from the 
others. This isn't played up too much during this season but would be in the 
next season (when she tries to understand Bruce Forbes and her interaction 
with Andrew). 

Getting Hsui Tai wasn't so bad in and of itself----but losing Elizabeth at 
the same time really hurt the series. Ms. Adare presumably went off to have a 
baby and appeared only briefly in the first story, THE LOST GODS, on a view 
screen, calling from the cold planet Seton, working for the Trig. At least 
this time, we had an explanation. Being more naive and not very with it, 
having been tucked away in a monastery all her life, Hsui Tai didn't have the 
edge that Liz did. When she mixed with Andrew, Liz, and Mike more next 
season, she seemed much better than in this season. And she also seemed to 
bring back the peaceful aspects of the TP. I mean in this season we have Mike 
fighting back against the monks and also see how John can deck a youth who 
was decked out in Nazi gear. There is also the attack on the guards by John 
and Mike in THE THARGON MENACE. Hsui Tai also complemented the brash, 
outspoken Mike, being almost his total opposite. It seemed that they were 
getting along with each other from the outset, perhaps more to do with the 
fact that Hsui Tai once thought him a god.

The series, for me, started to really get embarrassing, A MAN FOR EMILY aside 
as just a one time thing, a fluke really, with the last show of this season, 
THE THARGON MENACE. If not for next season's ACHILLES'S HEEL, this one might 
be the very worst story ever. The puppet robots were the real problem. Mike 
seemed to be sleep walking through it all (oh yes, and at one point wants to 
go view an erupting volcano dressed in Hawaii summer clothes and no 
protective gear), Hsui Tai was around as just a victim (she was blinded, shot 
at and nearly reshot ? huh ?), and the villain Pappa Minn was really hammy. 
Not campy, hammy. Did the actor think he was going over the top or acting 
seriously? It is hard to tell. Without any real menace until he is up in 
space aiming at the countries, this Idi Amin clone, needed more to him. 
John's hoping that it was the last of him at the end seemed not quite right 
somehow--aren't TP supposed to feel bad when anyone dies? It also goes 
against John wanting to stop the Thargon commander from firing on Minn, 
Flynn, and Sula.


Compared to Minn, the two Thargon villains, Flynn and Sula, are more sneaky, 
less violent as Thargons go, but liars from the start. This plot reminded me 
a great deal of SPACE: 1999's THE EXILES (incidently with Peter Duncan, Cotus 
in  A RIFT IN TIME). In both, two alien youths claim they are on the run from 
tyrants and seek help from the main characters. In both, the alien children 
turn out to be the bad ones and in both, the main characters turn on them and 
help the really good guys. On the plus side, the actual Thargon aliens aren't 
really badly portrayed, just their silly puppet robots and those childish 
voices! Needless to say THE EXILES handles the entire thing on much more 
entertaining level. So for me this is where the rot set in.

Similarly, the plot of HITLER'S LAST SECRET was better handled on THE NEW 
AVENGERS. On TP, the twist is that Hitler was actually an alien, and an ugly 
blob faced one to boot. Nice twist and there were more than a few other nasty 
types running around including 40 year old Nazi children, their youth 
preserved, ready to gun down even their own deserting comrade (with that 
subplot, the reanimation of Hitler, the genes plot and the TV broadcast plot 
this one had too much going on in it---but I think I liked that much going 
on-it helped break this routine Nazi story into something else--what I have 
no idea! Just kidding). 

And of course the silly old professor, all the more menacing for being a 
daffy old coot--with an evil agenda. The Sage in THE LOST GODS was not a nice 
guy since he was perfectly willing to let children die in the fires even 
after he found out that they were not reborn but really did die! In the 
novel, it is said that Hsui Tai recalled at least three occasions that three 
other children were burned in the fires--dead. Matsu Tan was pleasant enough 
and we find out more about him in the novel (surprise, surprise!). A nice 
smaller story, this one was okay. 

HITLER'S LAST STAND introduced what seemed like a rip off of the Brigadier 
from DOCTOR WHO with a certain Major Hughes, now head of the SIS. His 
military seemed to work with the TP more than any other before. The contrast 
between his callousness (when he finds the run down boy, he is not too 
squeamish), coldness, and military mind against that of the TP makes a 
colorful, if sometimes mundane mix. Thankfully he didn't reappear at all. 
Once in a while wouldn't have been too bad--but there weren't many more 
stories to go!

Another major loss this season was the original lab set and the original TIM. 
This wonderful set was perhaps the only set on the series that actually 
looked very well done and imaginative. Now, it was gone, with Mike and John 
telling Liz that since the SIS knew where the old lab was, they had to build 
a new one. Where this one was supposed to be was anyone's guess. Was it a few 
miles deeper, farther back than the old one, on Earth, the Moon, or some 
faraway planet as John tempted Major Hughes with in HITLER'S LAST SECRET ? To 
the best of my recall, we never did find out where this lab was but somehow 
one did get the feeling that it wasn't too far from Earth and probably on 
Earth itself. This lab was supposed to be larger, yet the main room, more 
sanitary and brighter lit, looked smaller. There were separate individual 
bedrooms which was nice but I preferred the old lab and the pull out beds in 
the alcoves. It looked scientific and even partially alien, which would make 
sense. This new one just looked too static and still. 

Also gone were the jaunting belts, something which I feel was a much better 
change. The jaunting bands were easier to hide and didn't take up too much 
space. The belts never seemed right somehow, even though they afforded more 
chances for the TP to get themselves into their own brand of patented trouble.
   
This, the second season in a row to have only six individual episodes (se0'S VERSION

STORY ONE-THE TOMORROW PEOPLE-

My views on this atrocity have been printed in the past so I won't waste time 
on it (unlike the time it took to watch this). In its favor, at least the 
story, unlike the latter ones, revolved around the Tp instead of having them 
as supporting players to it. We also had a myriad of ages and nationalities 
in the group with four distinct characters. There was someone in his late 
teens, another in his mid teens, and another just an 11 or 12 year old. The 
less written about Lisa the better. 

STORY TWO-THE CULEX EXPERIMENT

A definite improvement in seriousness and overall tone. I have problems with 
the switch of emphasis away from the TP themselves and onto other characters: 
Kevin's aunt, the male doctor, Megabyte's father and the lady scientist and 
her son. Sorry, Helen but as good as General Damon is, they overused him in 
this and in LIVING STONES. He really became boring after the first ten 
minutes and I liked it better when we really didn't know if he was in on the 
villainy--does he want the Tp also-type of thing. Ami and her mom were a 
definite improvement over Lisa and her mom. Writing Kevin out was a definite 
mistake (okay, so I know he screamed a lot but wasn't that the fun of 
watching Carol and Peter in the original? No? NO!). As Megabyte grew, the 
differences between him and Adam lessened, although in this particular story, 
he wise cracked quite a bit. Culex and her henchwomen were a bit over the top 
but not as much as the villains in the first story. Technically, this series 
is superior: the location work, special effects, sets, and makeup were 
fantastic. But that doesn't make a series--stories and characters do and this 
one is nothing special. I also wasn't pleased with the lack of emphasis on 
powers--powers brought in during the first story. Gone were the healing 
aspects of Adam's powers. Somehow forgotten was the fact that TP cannot kill. 
They kill the insects and also seem to be responsible for Culex's death. A 
sad day in the TP history when the mythos is totally ignored. In the 
audience's favor is the fact that there were very few, if any, splashdown 
sequences so overused in the first tale. A lot happened in this story 
including the introduction of Jade, her dog, and Kevin's aunt. Of these 
three, I liked the dog best. I never did catch if he was killed or not. I 
seem to care more about him than the others--does anyone recall if Jade's 
first dog died? Please help me.  

STORY THREE-THE MONSOON MAN

This one started off well enough and the location work was brilliant, 
especially with the castle. Having so nicely introduced Ami, (and part of the 
CULEX story that excelled was Adam and Megabyte's breaking in of Ami--sorry I 
couldn't resist the pun--if you're a new TP, kill me later for it) she is 
largely thrust into the background for yet another non TP character. Lucy was 
a Lois Lane type reporter, a bit young to be a journalist but I suppose that 
was the point. I really thought she was going to break out but as I got to 
see and hear more of her, I was glad when she didn't. She just got on one's 
nerves after awhile. She never seemed to shut up and she dominated the entire 
story. Adam's "love" relationship with her was a nice touch. By the last few 
episodes, the story became so repetitious, it is not viewable and I have yet 
to see the last episode. The villains are not memorable at all and having yet 
another man made device against the TP is very annoying. At least the old 
series tried different things and many stories are very different from one 
another-time travel, space travel, spy stories, and invasion stories as well 
as mixtures of all of these. And gee, I would like to see more of the Tp in 
the TP.

STORY FOUR-THE RAMSES CONNECTION-

A big improvement but a let down just the same. This is the first story with 
aliens messing around on Earth. There are some reminders of REVENGE OF 
JEDIKIAH and DOCTOR WHO'S PYRAMIDS OF MARS but the flavor here is good as new 
twists are put on the whole Egyptian aspect. The scene of the snake-thing 
attacking Megabyte at the end of one episode is reminiscent of the ending of 
episode one of DOCTOR WHO'S REVENGE OF THE CYBERMEN but better handled here. 
Christopher Lee is magnificent as always and his two henchmen were 
menacing---but after many blunders they do not seem so by the last episode 
they are in. Why the TP couldn't help the man they killed in the underground 
drain or even try to save him is beyond me. They merely watched him get 
dragged off and killed. After a very good start, the story gets sidetracked 
to the supposed aliens---and the aliens aren't very good characters (and this 
includes Millicent--who merely walks off with the bad guys at one point). The 
Tp are again thrust into the background as the aliens--all very goofy and 
probably relatives of the Momma, Elmer, and Emilyyyyyy!---take over the tale. 
This ruined the story for me. Also, Naomi Harris as Ami, who did so well in 
her first two stories, showed less acting ability here. Perhaps it was too 
difficult for her to handle the possession scenes but these scenes with her 
are very hard to watch---she was more annoying than menacing. The plot was 
very well handled with mysteries cropping up all over the place and these are 
resolved by the end. The cat attack and power grid attack were well 
conceived. Kristen Schmidt held his own very nicely against Christopher Lee's 
acting in one very strong episode and cliffhanger. What I don't understand is 
how a boy from the far past in Egypt could be a TP when the whole concept is 
supposed to be that the TP are just now emerging (and was the spaceship which 
influenced Tp breakouts on Earth in the far past?). Were the Tp break outs 
stopped by Lee's character? And was Adam bluffing or lying when he told Lee's 
character that there were hundreds of TP breaking out "right now"  all over 
the world? Or was he telling the truth? These kind of throw away lines tempt 
us into hoping the series will expand a bit on the concepts but alas, it 
never does. The end was an exciting climax and overall this tale is the best 
one of the entire new series, thus far.

STORY FIVE--THE LIVING STONES

Well, more of General Damon and the military aspect--and I could have done 
without both. I honestly felt as though I were watching a 70's DOCTOR WHO 
story with UNIT and Earth bound invasion as a plot device. Not only did 
aspects come from DOCTOR WHO but also from classic 50's science fiction films 
and ideas: INVADERS FROM MARS and INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS to name just 
two. Additionally, the alien spores are not unlike those in ALIEN and ALIENS. 
Much padding throughout and a story that is really not enthralling and very 
hard to watch to the very end. Jade's rescue of Megabyte was very good and I 
am glad that she did finally get to break out (one writer to TV Zone felt 
that it would have been better to leave her a Sap since she would just have 
to accept herself as she is--a very good idea if this were later in the 
series and we had more than enough TP in the group already--but as it is in 
this story, Ami is somewhat written out and we are left with just Adam and 
Megabyte). Location work is again great but so what? By the end, I couldn't 
care less about the story and the series as a whole. Sorry.

Since it looks like no more will made, the TP circa 1990s truly failed to 
live up to the original. By bypassing the loved aspects of the original and 
not creating its own mythos, it dug its own grave. The series should have 
either adapted the old mythos or made a new one. It did neither. We never 
found out more about the spaceship or the civilization that sent it to Earth. 
We did not find out about Adam's parents (in hindsight this may have been a 
plus when we think about the parents we did see and the time they took up on 
the series). The Tp never traveled to another planet or time. We never had a 
link to the better, original show. Technically, the new series is far better 
but story wise, it is not. It did not produce memorable characters, nor 
ambitious plot lines, in any way. Links to the old show would have helped 
create a stability and a sense of identity: TIM, some type of Lab and 
mechanical enhancements to their powers, jaunting belts or bands, stun guns, 
the Galactic Federation, Timus, the Trig, breaking out with some dramatic 
flair, the Time Guardians, etc, etc...Overall, I really hope the show does 
not continue in the same vein as the first five stories, if it does continue. 
The way it was-IT WAS NOT THE TOMORROW PEOPLE.            
           







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four had seven episodes; season five had six; and this one had six), this 
merely wet the appetite for more---which would arrive but not too soon and 
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SEASON SEVEN

"First, there were two Tomorrow People, then there were three."
                    "Five."

This quote from THE BLUE AND GREEN from Liz and Stephen tells something about 
the seventh season. Although it only contained six episodes (the standard for 
seasons five and six), it upped the number of TP we actually saw back up to 
five. There were not five TP seen since INTO THE UNKNOWN back in season four. 
This season upped the number once more as Liz came back to Earth, interacting 
a bit with Hsui Tai and once more with John and Mike. She seemed rather to 
enjoy the pair's teasing of John in CASTLE OF FEAR and the rest of the 
season. The most important new breakout since Mike and Tyso, Andrew made his 
debut and mark in two two parters. CASTLE OF FEAR was the best story since 
DIRTIEST BUSINESS and gave us a good "find"  the already broken out new TP. 
The habit the series had since ONE LAW of not showing breakouts was annoying 
but CASTLE OF FEAR is one solid hour of good stuff. We are back in Scotland 
(THE DOOMSDAY MEN) and at the time the Loch Ness monster story was fresh 
enough, again with its own special TP twist on things--an illusion caused by 
Andrew to help save Gail Meyer's Nessie searching expedition. Andrew also 
saved his father's haunted hotel castle by using a headless highlander to 
scare Angus, the bar tender, into stopping his drinking and later at the end 
of CASTLE OF FEAR to interest Dr. Meyer's head of department into allowing 
her to keep her grant money to investigate ghosts in the castle. Alas, this 
is never followed up and Meyer, Angus, and the head professor vanish like a 
jaunting TP from the rest of the season. There was an opportunity to keep 
them all around as ACHILLES'S HEEL, also takes place in the hotel and also 
mentions Andrew using illusions to keep the guests coming back. 

ACHILLES'S HEEL is good only for the slim chance to see Andrew's home and 
father again. Beyond that and the fact that Hsui Tai gets more to do (sing 
and worry about Andrew and converse more with TIM) this second tale is about 
the worst story since A MAN FOR EMILY and THE THARGON MENACE. The fault lies 
again in goofy aliens. The two alien criminals look menacing enough and 
physically, they would have made very good enemies. Unfortunately, they are 
made buffoons of in the script, a very broad comedy with some dramatic 
overtones. The overtones are actually very serious---Andrew's loss of powers 
and the plot which is to spread an ant-psi element all over the universe, 
blowing up a space shuttle in orbit--with the TP on it. 

The scenes in the hotel with Andrew's concern over his loss of powers and the 
different outlooks that Hsui Tai and Mr. Forbes (Andrew's dad) have are 
interesting. Mr. Forbes seemed almost to be relieved the powers are gone and 
this would go with what had gone on in CASTLE OF FEAR. Almost every scene 
with the alien criminals trying to fit in at the hotel and in their hotel 
room (clad only in towels at one point--uggghhhyuck!) are embarrassing. 

Hsui Tai and Andrew save the day here and finally met Timus, who hasn't been 
seen since Season Five's A MUCH NEEDED HOLIDAY. The climax of the tale is 
actually very exciting and made a good ending to the story but so much camp 
has gone on before this in these two episodes, it just doesn't matter at this 
point. 

On the plus side, the location work done for this season is some of the best 
the series had to work with. The exteriors for Loch Ness, the hotel, the 
drive in Ms. Meyer's mini van to the castle as Andrew ponders and mopes about 
how his dad will react to the news of seeing the Loch Ness monster, Andrew's 
tower fort (where he retreats to when is frightened by both his fanatical 
religious father and the confusing and equally odd TP--a nice touch to have a 
new breakout so afraid that he seems dangerous--even if only for a short 
time), the route to the underground cave, and all the locations used during 
the bubble LIVING SKINS attack (including what looks suspiciously like Roger 
Price's house in England--and while I am on the subject does anyone know if 
that is Price and Ruth Boswell making a cameo as the two separate store 
customers in BLUE AND GREEN?) are all very welcome. These location shots give 
the series some kind of expense quality, even if the space sequences with the 
shuttle and the bubble skin Volvoids are mere cartoon like CSOs. I really 
could have done without Philip Gilbert as the bubblized news reporter in THE 
LIVING SKINS. 

LIVING SKINS is a puzzle. On the surface, it is highly original and different 
but in the last half it begins to resemble INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS 
more and more and finally the end to the invasion--John's cold---smacks of 
WAR OF THE WORLDS--the 1953 movie. It is a novel idea to start out a story by 
having to go shopping for Andrew's pants for him to wear for one of the first 
times. There is also a lot more friction between the TP, even if it is caused 
by the LIVING SKINS alien Volvoids. A lot has to be said for Andrew. He had 
the same qualities that made Stephen so interesting minus the roughness that 
Mike had but with some of the mischievousness of Tyso, not above doing things 
that seemed more a con (the ghosts and other illusions). CASTLE OF FEAR could 
have, with more time taken on the illusions, been very scary indeed. It 
actually is scary in one short sequence--when we see Andrew hiding on Angus 
and laughing in the dark, his face between two barrels. A bit upsetting if 
you think about it. Anyhow, Andrew did get center stage for the first two 
tales and even in THE LIVING SKINS, he dominates quite a few scenes without 
actually overdoing it. Unlike Hsui Tai, he left a mark on the season. A good 
one. Among other strangeness this season, we also get to see Mike, Liz, and 
Hsui Tai in their underwear on the medi-scan-beds. And no--not all at the 
same time. Somehow, this one fell apart by the end of the second part. A few 
people saw this as their first TP story and promptly stayed away from any 
future dealings with any of the other stories (maybe the sight of the store 
man Wilton in HIS underwear) was just too much).

One slight running theme was the issue of this material barlimin or volumin 
which could zap a TP's powers. It was mentioned and used in ACHILLES'S HEEL 
and rementioned and used (by the American President for one) in the next 
season's WAR OF THE EMPIRES. This is not unlike the running theme of 
synaptril in SECRET WEAPON and THE DIRTIEST BUSINESS.  

Season Seven was not a bad season but not terribly good either especially 
when measured up to the past seasons one through five. But with the advent of 
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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: crafts, planets
Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:25:36 EDT


TOMORROW CRAFT

Spaceships and technology on the Tomorrow People were always handled with 
imagination, even if not completely successful. The list that follows tries 
to include spaceships, stations, and devices used in the particular story.

THE SLAVES OF JEDIKIAH
This featured the introduction of the tech laden Lab, TIM (the bio computer 
with personality engrams with a memory implanted in living tissue and with 
bio fluids encased in bubbles and tubes), the jaunting belts, the stun guns, 
the first AE suits (adaptable to any environment suits that contain 
temperature controls, magnetic lift which helps the Tp and Chris sleep in A 
RIFT IN TIME, anti grav controls, oxygen supply, a spectrashift unit, built 
in jaunting devices, and other marvels), the jaunt pads, Kenny's multi 
colored-triangular communicator to TIM, and the map grid in the Lab used to 
locate the breaking out Stephen. Also seen were the silencer bands, the laser 
gun used by Jedikiah and Ginge which was also used to freeze the TP in the 
lab, the hyper space machine trap planted in the tunnel. The spaceship used 
by Rash, the Cyclops looked a lot like a giant handheld iron with a large 
funnel attached to it. Inside it fared a bit better--but not much--with 
twisting corridors, hanging tubes and wires, and two large rooms, one with 
the gas the Cyclops lived off of. In all, this was packed with technology. 
Jedikiah is said to be a shapechanging bionic robot. He uses a brainwash 
device to control Stephen and this was set up in Bentham Hall. There is also 
a device to teleport an entire room up to the spaceship. And a bomb left in 
its place. AE suits are used in space. TIM makes food and drink for Stephen.

THE MEDUSA STRAIN
This featured the Time Lock and the Time Key. The time key has an adjustment 
made to it through the use of a Beater Ray so that a non telepath can use it. 
Coppin, the android was aboard the hyper spaceship of Rubowski in the year 
2523. This spaceship was better looking in design than the one on SLAVES. It 
contained a disintergrater gun and cannon, an airlock, and some kind of anti 
grav which held Carol up when she was first brought aboard unconscious. There 
is also a Medusa cage which blocks its powers when closed and keeps it in 
check somewhat--otherwise it would grow larger. The cages Rubowski keeps 
Ginge and the others in are made of tinatrium. Rubowski also uses some of 
explosive to disintergrate the door to the first Lab. Jedikiah once again 
appears as a mechanical robot. The Time Lock can lock time and freeze it. The 
Tp lab has a photographic darkroom. AE suits used in hyperspace. The scanner 
screen television is used to see the invaders of the Lab.

THE VANISHING EARTH
AE suits are used to go near a volcano and to freezing cold temperatures 
while they use Neutrino Cannons to analyze what is happening on the Earth. 
The scanners are used to see stock footage of storms and hurricanes and such. 
Sandor used a matter transmitter to get victims to Spidron's underground 
complex which was used to mine magnamite. Spidron also uses a mind probe to 
probe Ginge--although a second grade spelling test would have done just as 
well. Steen tells the Tp that there are 64 million planets in the Galactic 
Federation with another one million about to become eligible. There are also 
the usual assortment of bombs (one in the Thames) and laser-electric type 
weapons.

THE BLUE AND THE GREEN
John and Stephen use Hyper Space Tracking gear to find Liz when she is lost 
in hyper space-it is actually a Life Detector. They wear AE suits in hyper 
space and also when going into outer space later on--incidentally going to 
one of their Watchdog Satellites--the closest one being NASA's unused Skylab 
(before it crashed down). Apparently there are a whole string of such small 
space stations abandoned by the Saps but now converted by the TP with help 
from the Galactic Feds to be made into a monitoring system. There is also a 
camera system set up by John and Stephen to monitor the painting in Liz and 
Stephen's school. TIM suggests a spectra scope analysis. Most of the other 
devices are the aliens--mainly the paintings of other planets. The scanner is 
used to see fighting going on in the other parts of the world.

A RIFT IN TIME
Here, the AE suits are given updates: they have a spectrashift sender which 
attached to any of the Tp, can act for Saps that are with them, namely Chris. 
Spectra shifts give illusions operated by a telepathic mind which make one 
see what the telepath wants you to see. The AE suits also allow Stephen and 
others to sleep a centimeter off the ground. John used a disruptor pack to 
disintergrate the remains of Gaius's steam engine. Gaius uses a time pump to 
get away, leaving it on when he leaves to blow up. The TP use trackers to 
find it and the Time Guardians use a time trap to catch Stephen. And of 
course, we cannot forget the time discs, time travel devices used by the 
Guardians of Time to travel and research time. In the Lab spot on planet Rome 
in the alternate universe, there are many devices in what seems to be a 
library of sorts and several survelliance devices. This is also the first 
appearance of the laser pencil. It is used by Chris to get the chains off 
Stephen and Peter. 

THE DOOMSDAY MEN
The TP use Chris's piece of junk van to fly into space but still wear their 
AE suits. The UN space station named Damocles has a central rotor--a gravity 
wheel, a deadman's switch which will enable the ship to fire 16 deadly rocket 
missiles at the Earth (the force of 50,000 megatons). On the station (serial 
number LM 377 X)  there is only four fifths the gravity of Earth and the men 
have four months length of duty. Lee Wan is one of these men and it is he the 
TP save in Chris's van. TIM does a voice comparision analasis when Stephen 
gets him Douglas's voice recording and also intercepts messages on secret 
microlink channels of the British government. TIM makes food and drink for 
Stephen (who else) but also for John and Liz. TIM burns John's toast (on 
accident?). The Space Station uses a laser channel as a private top secret 
transmitter of messages. 

SECRET WEAPON
TIM acts a telephone and the number to the Lab is 175-2004 but I believe this 
is changed in REVENGE OF JEDIKIAH. TD-94 is the number given to a small 
device, a closed circuit spy camera that Masters has Tricia Conway plant in 
Prof. Cawston's office inside one of his books. When found, it gives off an 
alarm, a warning to ward off anyone who finds it--as it will soon blow up! 
Masters and Tricia use the drug synaptrial and fire it from special guns (a 
mental tranquilizer, it shuts down all mental activity). Liz gives Cawston a 
ring which is really a homing device so the TP can track him when he is taken 
to Masters's establishment. Masters has a wild looking truth device 
(brainwash device?) which turns and which seems to lower from the ceiling at 
Cawston's couch chair. Within the nesting doll Liz is supposed to smuggle out 
of Russia for Masters, is a device that can be used to control a person's 
mind as well as read it. Not so fun devices in this one, heh?

           
    


































PLANETS OF TP UNIVERSE: 

Sophistra-a "lovely"  planet or at least that is how the TP described it. 
Carol, John, and Kenny visited it once or twice. It was populated by what 
seemed to be kindly old philosopers who we know had crusier class ships (one 
took Rash, the Cyclops home in THE SLAVES OF JEDIKIAH after the TP matter 
transferred him to it).

Spyra-Kenny went on a mission to this world but we know nothing about it. 
Kenny does return though. Apparently it is a planet of Spies--get it, huh?

Rigora-located in the Alpha Star Region of the Regus 7 star cluster, this 
planet appeared to have a few rebellious non-contents, ruled by one man, 
Tir-Ay-Ann, father of Kwann although they also had the Cheifs of Rigora. They 
have advanced spaceships called Fatherships and smaller ones known as 
shuttles. These ships have strong forcefields which, not designed for, 
nevertheless, block the powers of TP. By the end of the episode INTO THE 
UNKNOWN, Tir-Ay-Ann and Kwann seemed to want to know more about democracy. So 
maybe that will change their government but I doubt that would happen so fast.

Adonisia--Carol married an Adonisian counselor, described in the novels as 
somewhat birdlike in look and communication, beautiful looking beings, not 
unlike birds and angels. Carol had at least one son named Nova. Their 
language is very different from Earth's languages, being clicks and chirps.

Rexell 4-Stephen claimed to have visited Rexell 4 in THE BLUE AND THE 
GREEN--a planet with strange rock formations and odd colors all around it. 
This was painted by one of Robert's people. The planet itself seemed to be a 
flat plain.

QX5-another planet mentioned during THE BLUE AND THE GREEN--another planet 
painted by someone on Earth--one of the alien Degenerteeli--Robert's people 
named Gavin Watson, the 8th planet of two suns. The planet itself has two 
suns and is very pretty at certain times of the year.   

Gallia-dry, desert like primitive planet with caves of gold--and hills, 
strange planet life that seem to be more alive than the plants of Earth; a 
very large sun. Some pools of water and gas litter the planet. The natives 
seem very peaceful (when the alien slave masters--the Klepton aren't using 
their male children to dig in the mines) and live in adobe type clay huts and 
towns. The people speak a very different language. The inhabitants are said 
to be non telepathic but Timus seems able to make them talk in English. 

Robos IV-also called Vashir-the planet of Nebor, a shape changing blob faced 
alien who was one of the fake Hitlers during WWII. (The other Hitler fake was 
AC Pritchard of the year 2300 AD as Rubowski tells us in THE MEDUSA STRAIN).

The Medusa home world-this planet has these Medusas to feed on the 
overpopulated telepathic life forms that dominate the world and keeps a 
status on the population growth. Off the planet, they can grow much larger, 
green ugly blobs with tentacles and bug eyes.

Peeri-a forestry planet with some rocks and caves--and pyramids built by the 
Kulthan as they did on Earth. The planet also has castles similar to Medevil 
Castles on Earth--with dungeons. The Vesh, the TP of this world, are 
persecuted by the religion the Kulthan have set up---and the Vesh Takers are 
to round them up using Vesh Hounds and villagers to burn them atop the castle 
roofs--on stakes. Another primitive planet but not as primitive as 
Gallia--and not as peaceful. However, when the TP stop the Kulthan machines, 
the Vesh-TPs can realize their full powers and be full TP. It is bright and 
hazy at times, but at others looks as if it has just rained.

Planebos-is the detention center mentioned in ACHILLES' HEEL and where Cantor 
was imprisoned. Yagon helped him escape.

Galactic Federation--this Federation of Telepathic Worlds is said to have 64 
million planets belonging to it according to Galactic Agent Harry Steen in 
THE VANISHING EARTH. 

Stix-a barren, lifeless planet where John sends the Kleptons who enslaved 
Trig, Trog, and the rest of the boys on the planet Gallia. He tells them Stix 
is a harsh environment and the Kleptons will have to fight for survival there.

Tharga-although we see Thargons more than once, we learn little about their 
home planet. We do know they elect their officials and were once very war 
like. Proud and green, silver, and multicolored people, they are not evil, 
just strong in their beliefs. They have a Council and fly superadvanced 
starships. They were at one time at war with the Sorson annelid race. 

Trysta-a planet where men are ruled by apes!!! No just kidding. The ape 
people of this planet were known by Peter in A RIFT IN TIME. They are said to 
be very peaceful and freedom loving. In the alternate time lane where Earth 
was named Rome and was manipulated by Gaius, the Trystans were slaves on 
Rome, serving the Roman humans, taken from their home planet Trysta.

Other planets that we know must exist: a home planet for the following: 
Sorsons, Volvoids, Kulthans, Rash-the Cyclops, Steen, Timus, Sandor, Cantor 
and Yagon, Glip, Robert and the Degenerteeri, Gaius (who Peter claims is not 
from Earth--not even human), and last and least---the Family of the Ship--the 
Momma, Elmer, and Emily.  

From the novels:

Crito-the planet where the telepathic boy Arlon came from--his cries could 
put out all TP and also those not yet broken out! Also Saav and Goras came 
from this world.

Barren 6-a dying planet, dying since its star is going nova. It contains the 
little cute Nola Bears, one of whom Stephen takes back to Earth with him at 
the end of the story. Other Nola Bears were saved and brought to Matra. Nola 
Bears can change shape to what you want them to be. Stephen thought of a 
puppy. The Mothers of Matra thought of a cute little Stephen.  

Matra--a planet inhabited by giant women who want something to care 
for--called the Mothers of Matra. First they get their hands on Stephen, who 
is like a tiny doll to them. Then the TP give them the Nola Bears. The planet 
seemed somewhat Medevil-like but happily so.

Friga-a world of permanent snow and warm sunshine where Stephen liked to ski.

Regus 6-The alien reptiles the Kraatans had to be relocated to this planet, 
the main setback of it being the alien Thrall monster--a giant crab like 
thing which they have to learn to fight. The previous home of this non 
telepathic race was destroyed. 

Saiyonara-a planet not unlike China and Japan with Oriental like aliens. The 
Guardians on the planet were tricked into trying to kill the rightful little 
boy Prince--Saiyan and his Tutor. The evil man who did this---had Medusa on 
the planet in a pit. They also had the ability to send a Stephen android to 
the Lab--a bomb.


From the comics (an overpopulated universe here):

Arkon-in the Demeter star system, this world has a Grand Council and a 
Supreme Ruler. The core of the planet is heating up so they sent their giant 
sea dragon life forms to Earth to see if they can live there. The Tp flood 
the core of Arkon and save the planet but the three dragons on Earth are 
killed by the Saps.

Zathria-the planet where the evil Mikkon, a rebel telepathic killer is from.

Gakra-the planet where the alien Churt came from and he used robots against 
the TP.

Trivega-the alien Kramm came from this world, which must have newly 
telepathic beings since it is new to the Federation.  

Theseus 4-the Kardakians and Kardak come from this planet (!?). They use 
Blastarn guns and rifles, AirMastrons--planes and train-like thingees. Part 
of their language is the word Granak--which is one of the words Trig and Trog 
of Gallia used, also Vaktaan of Rigora. Hmmmmm, univeral relations?

Zettar-the alien Trig ambassador came from this planet and so did his son 
Jekk, a brat who runs away.

Jessor-is the planet where Jekk runs away to. It is a nature reserve and 
holiday complex, presumably part of the Galactic Trig. There is one area of 
it called the Forbidden Zone (a place where apes are ruled by men--no, sorry) 
where a giant dragon called the Pargyx is. The TP have to save Jekk from it. 
Would you?

Thexians-all we know for sure is that their leader is Tegon, who wants to 
invade (oh hum) Earth.

Philemon Beta-has an empty space dock which the living plants use to try to 
invade Earth--actually they do invade Earth. The original inhabitants of 
Philemon Beta may have been killed off by these plants.

Theres-wolf faced aliens invade Earth using the youth controlled by the 
aliens' rock group Starway.

Cyclax-the alien Mysterio came from here.

Armeria and Kallia-Armerians and Kallians have been at war in space since 
long before there was life on Earth. This is a pair of races that are more 
messed up than Earthlings.

Vonaria-is the planet where the insane Lorian-who killed a Spanish Crew (?!?) 
to get to the Trig (?) so he could kill a tyrant (what is a tyrant doing on 
the Trig?).

Vinnika-a tyrant on the Trig (see above ?) had made all Vonarians his slaves, 
the tyrant is in the Minian system. The less said about anything about this 
comic story the better.

Jannaz-a planet ruled by Karnak

Medran-a planet of shapechangers who when they change, have minor flaws 
noticed in their copy.

Aquas-is a watery planet with cliffs and waterfalls--and gill people called 
Aquas. Two, Renf and Manx come to Earth to enlist help from the TP. Aquas's 
peace was broken by the 30 survivors of a civil war--the wolf giants called 
Luxon, whose own home world was destroyed by war among themselves. The wolf 
creatures landed in a shuttle. The Luxons want to eat.

Branza in the Third Galaxy-a delegate named Spiros is on the Trig (aren't all 
Trig members supposed to be telepathic?); he tells the Tp that their home 
world is ruled by the Cloud Minders from Star Trek. Just kidding, just seeing 
if you're awake. Really though, the plot of one of the comics uses Star 
Trek's Cloud Minders heavilly! The people on this planet have been bred from 
birth to believe the air is polluted and poisonous. This is so the workers in 
the mine shaft stay there and mine sulfur for the Dominator--who turns out to 
be a giant beetle but is really a giant rat called Haiphon, the Pretender to 
the Madric Star, thrown out for treason.

Madric Star-see above if you dare.

Phari- a tiny planet with tiny people who can build spaceships that make it 
to Earth.



















































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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: is t his getting through?
Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:22:10 EDT

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From: Rebecca E Thompson <ellenore1@juno.com>
Subject: TPDIS: 11 reasons why I like the new series
Date: 18 Apr 2000 23:35:06 -0400

C'mon, I know there's gotta be someone else who's a new series fan out
there.
  OK, just to be fair, I have no tapes of either series so I'm going on
memory from tyhe last time I saw either show.

Why I like the new series
1. OK, I gotta say this one for the ladies: Kristian (Adam) is incredibly
hot. Christian 
   (Megabyte) looks good too. And as long as we're n looks, the new
series had less 
   abhorant fashions.
2. If the old series didn't need a General Damon, then the new series
didn't need a new 
   TIM. Sure we had the ship, but you couldn't really understand it, and
it didn't provide 
   much help. And just because there's a spaceship doesn't mean that the
TP are space 
   aliens, it could just mean they are similiar and have similiar
abilities to an alien race 
   (like the old series TP.)
3. It might just be because I saw the new series first, but I actually
feel more attached to 
   new series characters than old series ones. I love adam's warmth.
Megabyte's humor 
   and occasional skepticism, Ami's level-headedness, Jade's eagerness,
and Kevin's 
   cute-kidishness. I especially like Lisa because of her...confidance(?
I don't know if this 
   is the right word) She is always in control of her situation, and I
love how she deals 
   with breaking out. ("Slap me!"..."Not a wussy tap like that, a strong
hard slap...like 
   this!") The actress wasn't great, but the character was awesome.
4. While John has a hard time delegating authority, the new series
tommorow people all 
   have a say in what the group will do. Adam is the group's natural
leader, but he never 
   imposes his will on any of the other tps.
5. The relationships- I love the relationships between Megabyte and
Kevin, Adam and 
   Lisa, Kevin and Lisa, Ami and the other tps, Jade and Megabyte, and
especially 
   Megabyte and Adam. I also liked the relationships with the parents,
especially Lisa 
   and Ami and their mothers because they remind me so much of some of
the 
   problems I used to have growing up with my mother.
6. The special effects- I know we're comparing the 70 and the90s here,
but the 70s 
  effects WERE really cheesy.
7. The humor- Even the bad humor (like Megabyte's jokes) added something
to the 
  show.
8. Internationalism- OK, so the old series had one person not from
England (Hsui Tai.) 
   The new series was more balanced with 3 from England, 2 fro the US,
and one 
   Aussie. Why would tp only break out in England? (Then again, why would
tp only break 
   out in Australia, England, and the US? Is it a language thng? I wonder
if there are a 
   whole new set of spanish speaking and german speaking, etcin the new
series 
   universe.)
9. Let's face it, the old series tp were snobs. (As a sap, I was
offended. :) ) They rarely 
   went outside the lab, much less interacted with many normal humans.
How are you 
   supposed to protect a whole group of people when you don't interact
with them and 
   know what's going on with them. (An example of groups that distanced
themselves 
   and consequently were ineffective are the Watchers council on Buffy
and the jedi 
   council in Star Wars.)  The new seres tp were not snobs, and they had
a whole lot 
   more interaction with saps. Even after they broke out they remained
ordinary kids with 
   extraordinary powers.
10. The theme of betrayal- Nothing is scarier than the fear of betrayal.
In the new series 
   there a lot of either actual betrayal or the chance of betrayal.
11. The Ramses connection is my favorite episode of either series. They
got Ben 
   Kingsly!

Also I have two questions for you to ponder:
1. Why is it that (except for Hsui Tai) all the tp spoke English as their
native language? Also why were there only 3 races represened? Do you
think that there is a group of spanish-speaking tp out there? A group of
japanese tp? A group of Russian tp? Also, at least in the new series, why
were all the tp in roughly the same class? Why didn't we have any poorer
tommorow people?
2. Can the tp sense eachother's really strong emotions? (I think Ami does
this once in the new series) How much? How about really strong
sensations, like pain or an orgasm or something? Could they feel another
tp's death?
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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: 11 reasons why I like the new series
Date: 18 Apr 2000 23:47:11 EDT

In a message dated 00-04-18 23:43:44 EDT, you write:

<< specially Lisa 
    and Ami and their mothers because they remind me so much of some of
 the  >>

I thought these were exceptionally bad. Baking cookies to forget your 
daughter was kidnapped!?

The Tp on the old show had TWO from another country: Andrew and Hsue Tai. Liz 
was originally from South Africa and it is hinted that Tyso originated with 
the gypsies in France.



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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: tpdis: season two
Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:05:40 EDT

Second Season

    In all, the second season of THE TOMORROW PEOPLE looked just about 
perfect. Ginge and Lefty were gone. The Lab was better lit (which did rob it 
of some of its mystery) and Carol and Kenny were also gone. This is the only 
time we had an explanation as to where vanishing characters had gone--to 
Overmind--an advisory group to the Galactic Federation. Thank goodness those 
four were gone. They never seemed right for the series to be taken seriously 
(!?) Stephen seemed to progress in personality and in the first tale of this 
second year, we were treated to more of his school life. Away from Carol and 
Kenny, Stephen's personality became more carefree and quirky and he seemed to 
drift away from school based ideas even more. In the first season, there was 
some talk of him being on a soccer team. Here, he couldn't wait to be away 
from school and rarely talked of soccer, if ever. 
    Over the course of this season, we saw Stephen's devil-may-care attitude 
helping Chris vanish his van away from the police, nearly giving the TP away 
while helping Professor Cawston help him track down a gladiator vase, and 
fooling around much more than in the previous season. He also seemed to lose 
his mocking tone while retaining his sense of humor--especially with newcomer 
Chris Harding. A motor accident left Ginge in hospital--his bike fell on his 
leg (and supposedly this is what really happened to the actor who played 
Ginge). Chris, his younger brother, filled the gap by becoming the new Tp 
companion. Chris, while also a bit on the slow side, was an improvement, 
usually helping the Tp and giving us, the viewers, someone who needed 
explanations--thus we were treated (?) to John's explanations of what was 
going on, mostly in A RIFT IN TIME (to both Chris and us). To be fair, almost 
no one knew what was going on in THE BLUE AND GREEN. The darkness of the 
stories came out even more in this season and there were plenty of night 
sequences with very atmospheric surroundings--Liz's walk through the city 
while the youngsters are being effected by the Degeneteeli alien paintings is 
very memorable, so too is Stephen's brief escape from Robert. Again, location 
work enhanced these images in one's mind and to one's eye. A RIFT IN TIME is 
possibly the best the series can get, handling the time change in much better 
fashion than any series before and after, thoroughly explained---and the past 
seemed pretty dank, dim, and dark. 
    THE DOOMSDAY MEN also had many dark images---and some of the first 
murders on the series, resulting in deaths that can't be overlooked. Even 
though the bodies fall off screen when shot by General McCellen, it is quite 
scary to realize the Tp have failed, however partially. 
    The nastiness of the "bad guys"  was more intense than in the previous 
season, lending a grittier feel to the characters and their evil deeds: 
Douglas, his grandfather, Robert and his aliens, Gaius and his two 
cohorts--Lothar and Guthrun all seemed thoroughly entrenched in their evil 
ways, deeds, and philosophies. Only their own needs mattered. The Doomsday 
Men wanted war in order for them not to be seen as obsolete. And the alien 
Robert said, "Nothing must stop the swarming."  The paintings seemed to 
dominate their entire story--with Liz calmly going to bed, exclaiming, "I 
hope the picture stays clear tomorrow."    That one short comment makes the 
paintings scary--as if they have already entrenched themselves into the daily 
lives of the people of the planet. Douglas enjoyed tormenting the younger 
boys all the time in the DOOMSDAY MEN training school, but wasn't beyond 
taking all the privileges of his "rank"  as the grandson of the head DD Man. 
And the rite into the DDMen was drinking BLOOD! Gaius lusted after the 
battles of the young trainees and enjoyed seeing everyone in the story squirm 
under his rule, especially Stephen and Coatus, who was once his "favorite"  
whatever that means. He relished the fights.
    The shining star of the season had to be the addition of Elizabeth Adare 
as Liz. Her background was explained somewhat--but in the actual series we 
never learn anything about her parents. She had a strong but sensitive 
personality and could handle most of the problems Stephen and John had with 
each other. And in both THE BLUE AND GREEN and A RIFT IN TIME, she still 
seemed to be a new TP trying to fit in with the group. She was also strong 
enough to make Stephen see the error of his ways when he went to Cawston and 
to make him apologize to John--and could later prove useful to Stephen--who 
usually sought her out to talk to. At first however, she had to rely on her 
former student to teach her about being a TP--such as being able to get to 
work as soon as you wake up. 
    While THE BLUE AND GREEN seemed far too long (I am glad it was the last 
five part story), A RIFT IN TIME seemed perfect with most of parts two and 
three taken to fix the time mix up. The first two episodes also gave us a 
much loved character in the form of Professor Cawston, a likeable 
parapsychologist who knew nothing of the Tp until Stephen's visit. He would 
return in two later stories in later seasons. Also quite cute and dotty was 
the old lady from whom Stephen lifted the vase from--Cawston's colleague 
Prof. Frieda Gardner played ably by Sylvia Coleridge (who has also been in 
DOCTOR WHO and BLAKE'S SEVEN) and the character is as daffy as can be. THE 
DOOMSDAY MEN gave us some needed humor as the TP avoid a policeman and also 
seemed quite tense and exciting at times--and gave us Liz putting both 
Stephen and John in their places, making Stephen feel guilty and putting 
John's pompousness down--getting John to do something he was opposed to with 
just few conversation in.                  
    Liz's breakout continued the tradition of dangerous breakouts which would 
be lost on the later Tps. In general, the breakout stories all throughout the 
show were the best of the tales including the later seasons. 
    DOOMSDAY MEN also featured one the best scenes of the entire 
series--which featured the dilemma of a Tp not being able to kill even when 
confronted with the threat of their own injury or death (a rare concept in TV 
and movies these days). Stephen at the end of the first episode was thrown a 
sword--which was pointed and could kill. Douglas and two other boys faced him 
with their swords. The cliffhanger left us wondering what he would---could do 
since TP can't kill. To me this dilemma was very interesting but in the next 
episode we learn he was once the fencing champ in school--and this certainly 
mixes in well with some of his sword fighting abilities in A RIFT IN TIME, 
which, by the way also featured the return of Peter, the Time Guardian.
    Peter was much more restrained in A RIFT IN TIME than he was in THE 
MEDUSA STRAIN. No longer with a screeching changing voice or an overreaction 
to everything, here, he was more reserved and seemed like someone who 
actually much older as a Time Guardian should--and at times, seemed to be 
more of a leader than previously---even leading John in some of the 
decisions. 
    Some of the other characters also deserve mention: Coatus played by Peter 
Duncan in A RIFT IN TIME and Stephen's companion Paul Frazier played by Simon 
Gipps Kent in THE DOOMSDAY MEN. One of the best things about this season were 
the cliffhangers: almost all of them were excellent with one exception: one 
of the BLUE AND GREEN cliffhangers was particularly poorly executed with 
Chris trying to prove to the police that John was once hidden behind the wall 
in Robert's cellar. Other than that the cliffhangers were all very good: one 
recalls Robert causing John to vanish, Stephen falling to face the sword of 
Guthrun, a truck about to run over an unconscious Stephen, Liz surrounded by 
angry, painting controlled teens, the alternate world of Rome which Chris and 
the Tp find themselves in, and almost all the others. This was indicative of 
a much improved show and an overall well done and entertaining series, if not 
perfect in every single aspect of story.     


























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From: Wendy Kelley <ladyslvr@xmission.com>
Subject: TPDIS: brownies
Date: 18 Apr 2000 23:19:33 -0500


> >I thought these were exceptionally bad. Baking cookies to forget your
 >daughter was kidnapped!?

That's an interesting intrepretation, and one that never occured to me.
In the episode, Lisa explains that baking brownies was something her
mother did to make Lisa come home faster.  It's her mother's way of
dealing with the unknown; it makes her mother feel like she's doing
*something* even when she knows there's nothing she can do.

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.




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From: "Hately, Shaun" <Shaun.Hately@auspost.com.au>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: 11 reasons why I like the new series
Date: 19 Apr 2000 14:36:06 +1000

> From: Rebecca E Thompson [mailto:ellenore1@juno.com]
> 
> C'mon, I know there's gotta be someone else who's a new series fan out
> there.

Hey, I'm a fan - I'm also a fan of Buffy, Highlander, Star Trek, Chocky, Red
Dwarf, etc. I like the new series - but the original series is more like an
obsession (-8 Liking the original series doesn't stop someone being a fan of
the new - or vice versa, for that matter.

>   OK, just to be fair, I have no tapes of either series so 
> I'm going on
> memory from tyhe last time I saw either show.
> 
> Why I like the new series
> 1. OK, I gotta say this one for the ladies: Kristian (Adam) 
> is incredibly
> hot. Christian 
>    (Megabyte) looks good too. And as long as we're n looks, the new
> series had less 
>    abhorant fashions.

Hmm - actually, I prefer the clothes from the 1970s to those worn in the
1990s - especially that striped thing Adam wore (-8

Personally, I'm not as equipped to judge the guys looks (-8 but I think John
and Mike were easily more handsome that Adam or Megabyte, Stephen... well, I
need to be careful in what I say, because the only regular listie close
enough to thump me, likes him (-8

For the girls, though - Liz is, IMTUA, beautiful. Carol was a looker as
well. Hsui Tai never did much for me - Pavla... well, let's just point out
that that actress appeared in Playboy as a Playmate of the Month and leave
it at that, shall we (-8. Tricia reminds me too much of a teacher I had - in
appearance and temperament. From the new series, I like Ami - but Lisa,
while pretty enough, has never appealed, and Jade was just too young, by the
time I saw her for me even to *want* to think of her in that way (-8.

> 2. If the old series didn't need a General Damon, then the new series
> didn't need a new 
>    TIM. Sure we had the ship, but you couldn't really 
> understand it, and
> it didn't provide 
>    much help. And just because there's a spaceship doesn't 
> mean that the
> TP are space 
>    aliens, it could just mean they are similiar and have similiar
> abilities to an alien race 
>    (like the old series TP.)

I'm not saying that the new series didn't need General Damon - I think he
was an excellent character and in Origin Story, he was very important. But
his existence did effect the new series and changed part of what the
original series meant to me (-8

And the new series certainly didn't need TIM - it was a good show. I like
TIM a lot - and I think he had a very useful role in the original series.
But it was a different show - and that role wouldn't have been as needed in
the new (no galactic contacts, etc).

> 3. It might just be because I saw the new series first, but I actually
> feel more attached to 
>    new series characters than old series ones. I love adam's warmth.
> Megabyte's humor 
>    and occasional skepticism, Ami's level-headedness, Jade's 
> eagerness,
> and Kevin's 
>    cute-kidishness. I especially like Lisa because of 
> her...confidance(?
> I don't know if this 
>    is the right word) She is always in control of her situation, and I
> love how she deals 
>    with breaking out. ("Slap me!"..."Not a wussy tap like 
> that, a strong
> hard slap...like 
>    this!") The actress wasn't great, but the character was awesome.

On this, I agree with you - the new series TP are great characters. But I
like the original series ones just as much. John's dignity, authority, and
steady nature. Carol's absolute compassion, kindness and her courage. Liz's
empathy for others, and her uncompromising attitude. Stephen's carefree
attitude, Kenny's playful nature. Tyso's micheivous and impulsive nature,
Mike's sense of justice. Hsui Tai's innocence and sense of right and wrong.
Andrew's independence...

> 4. While John has a hard time delegating authority, the new series
> tommorow people all 
>    have a say in what the group will do. Adam is the group's natural
> leader, but he never 
>    imposes his will on any of the other tps.

He doesn't need to.

Personally I have always thought that Adam is the better natural leader than
John who has had to learn leadership, on top of some natural ability. But
Adam always had the support of Megabyte - and then Ami. He never had the
same weight of responsibility on his shoulders - knowing that most of the
others were so much younger and that he was responsible for their safety.

John had Carol - and then Liz - in support. But his nature is one that will
always accept responsibility - even when help is there, the buck stops with
him.

Leadership style is a complicated thing - but there is a reason the military
has a chain of command. It's efficient and its safer. Discussing things is
fine - when there is time - Adam has the luxury of time far more than John
does.

> 5. The relationships- I love the relationships between Megabyte and
> Kevin, Adam and 
>    Lisa, Kevin and Lisa, Ami and the other tps, Jade and Megabyte, and
> especially 
>    Megabyte and Adam. I also liked the relationships with the parents,
> especially Lisa 
>    and Ami and their mothers because they remind me so much of some of
> the 
>    problems I used to have growing up with my mother.

Again, though, I would say the same relationship strengths exist in the
original series - John and Liz, John and Stephe, Liz and Stephen, John and
Mike, Stephen and Kenny, Stephen and Tyso, Stephen and Mike, Mike and Hsui
Tai, Mike and Andrew, Hsui Tai and Andrew, John and Andrew.

I agree the new series has this as well - but so did the original.

Parental relationships - yes, I agree that's a strength of the new series. I
think they were handled very well.

> 6. The special effects- I know we're comparing the 70 and the90s here,
> but the 70s 
>   effects WERE really cheesy.

True (-8

> 7. The humor- Even the bad humor (like Megabyte's jokes) 
> added something
> to the 
>   show.

You want to see bad humour - look at A Man for Emily.

Seriously, this existed in the original series as well - quite a lot of it.
I often think the new series overdid it.

> 8. Internationalism- OK, so the old series had one person not from
> England (Hsui Tai.) 
>    The new series was more balanced with 3 from England, 2 fro the US,
> and one 
>    Aussie. Why would tp only break out in England? (Then 
> again, why would
> tp only break 
>    out in Australia, England, and the US? Is it a language 
> thng? I wonder
> if there are a 
>    whole new set of spanish speaking and german speaking, 
> etcin the new
> series 
>    universe.)

My theory comes from proximity and attraction and is outlined on my webpage.

By the way - I wouldn't want to tell Andrew he came from England!

> 9. Let's face it, the old series tp were snobs. (As a sap, I was
> offended. :) ) They rarely 
>    went outside the lab, much less interacted with many normal humans.
> How are you 
>    supposed to protect a whole group of people when you don't interact
> with them and 
>    know what's going on with them. (An example of groups that 
> distanced
> themselves 
>    and consequently were ineffective are the Watchers council on Buffy
> and the jedi 
>    council in Star Wars.)  The new seres tp were not snobs, 
> and they had
> a whole lot 
>    more interaction with saps. Even after they broke out they remained
> ordinary kids with 
>    extraordinary powers.

And to me, that was quite unrealistic.

I work with kids who do have 'extraordinary powers' - not like those of the
TP, but abilities that make them different from 9,999 people out of 10,000.
Very few of these people are 'ordinary'. Calling them snobs would be unfair
- but they do tend to interact better with those who are similar to them.
They can appear ordinary when they want to, and in contact with other
people, this is often a good idea - but that's a matter of appearance, not
actuality. When they are among their 'own kind' they behave and act quite
differently.

I will certainly agree that John is a snob - out and out, pure and simple.
But I suspect he'd be one even if he wasn't a TP. I don't think any of the
others - except maybe Hsui Tai, who was raised as a goddess - can be
described as a snob. Remember - in virtually all cases, we only see them
with other Tomorrow People - with others like themselves - and their
behaviour there cannot be viewed as being anything like their behaviour in
the outside world. Liz continues to teach - at least I assume she does. Mike
is in a rock band. Andrew appears to hang around his father's hotel a lot.
Stephen goes to school, Tyso is surrounded by his family and seems to spend
a lot of time out poaching with his father.

We only see them within one group - and their behaviour in that group cannot
be viewed as indicative of their lives in general.

I think, the TP do feel superior to others - but only in ways that they
*are*. They do have abilities that are far different from others. They are
incapable of killing and not disposed to violence. They are smarter than
others. Acknowledging you are different from others - even when those
differences make you 'better' in certain areas - is not snobbery. It's fact
and it's healthy. It's only a problem, only snobbery, when you start to
assume that those areas where you are different have an effect on other
areas when they don't.

The new series TP, IMHO, view their powers differently from the old, and
view themselves in a different way. They see themselves as normal people
with a few unusual characteristics.

The original TP know that they are not normal people - they are the next
stage of human evolution, a new species. They are certainly aware they have
a lot of things in common with the Saps - but they know that they are
different as well, and that difference doesn't just come from their powers.
They are *Tomorrow People* - something new, something different.

To me, as someone who has grown up being different from virtually everyone
around him, who has had to endure those differences and what they can do,
and how people treat those who are not the same, their attitude seems, by
far, the more realistic of the two.

> 10. The theme of betrayal- Nothing is scarier than the fear 
> of betrayal.
> In the new series 
>    there a lot of either actual betrayal or the chance of betrayal.

I can think of virtually no betrayal in the new series. Maybe I'm just dense
- but I see it all the time in the original series.

> 11. The Ramses connection is my favorite episode of either 
> series. They
> got Ben 
>    Kingsly!

Who? (-8
 
> Also I have two questions for you to ponder:
> 1. Why is it that (except for Hsui Tai) all the tp spoke 
> English as their
> native language? Also why were there only 3 races represened? Do you
> think that there is a group of spanish-speaking tp out there? 
> A group of
> japanese tp? A group of Russian tp? Also, at least in the new 
> series, why
> were all the tp in roughly the same class? Why didn't we have 
> any poorer
> tommorow people?

I think that's an assumption - I have always had the impression that Kevin
was not from a well-off background. We know very little about Adam -
personally I place him as upper middle class from the way he speaks and acts
- but guess what - that's where most people would place me and I grew up on
working class housing estates, of very working class stock (-8 Ask Rachael
about the Pines Estate where I live and it's reputation (-8 

Also, bear in mind, that the majority of people are neither poor nor rich -
when you are dealing with only six new series TP, the statistical
probability that all would be from roughly a middle line social grouping
isn't that unlikely.

As for language - well, there was Pavla in the Original Series, who was
Russian. I know she didn't last long but she was a TP. For the rest, I have
outlined in my Proximity Theory, why I think the TP may have clustered in
the way they did - but that's at home, so if you want to see it, check out
http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html

> 2. Can the tp sense eachother's really strong emotions? (I 
> think Ami does
> this once in the new series) How much? How about really strong
> sensations, like pain or an orgasm or something? Could they 
> feel another
> tp's death?

I would guess that to an extent, they can sense each others emotions. As for
deaths, definitely in some ways - it is stated clearly in the original
series, that the TP will know if another TP is dead because they will feel
the emptiness. They don't seem to 'feel' the death - we see a TP die in lose
proximity to three TP, and they don't seem affected by it, in any unusual
way.

I'm not sure about really strong sensations - I would guess this isn't at
all common. It'd be a hard life feeling the pains of three other people. I
experience pain at least three times a day (I'm clumsy) - a TP like me would
really test the limits of the others as to whether they could kill, if that
was inflicted on them (-8

Shaun
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From: Megabyte725@cs.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: tpdis; old vs new 
Date: 19 Apr 2000 00:59:44 EDT

In a message dated 4/18/00 7:04:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
CMento6653@aol.com writes:

<< I also liked the Britishness of the 
 show...everyone was very British and the location sequences were nice but 
 this is one of the things it shares with the 1990 travesty. The Tp jaunted 
 all the time, everywhere in the old show. There are plenty of walking, 
 riding, driving and other unneeded sequences in the 1990 show...the Tp don't 
 need them!  >>

first, i have to admit that the britishness was one of the things that 
annoyed me. i mean, for God's sake, it looked like it had been filmed w/ my 
moms camcorder or something. 
    and as for the walking, driving, riding, etc. scenes. what do you expect 
them to do? teleport all the time? the only reason there are hardly any 
scenes like that in the old series was b/cause the tps were always stuck in 
the lab! at least the new tps walked around and interacted with other people 
(this is in conjunction with what some1 else said, i think). 



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From: Megabyte725@cs.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: os vs ns
Date: 19 Apr 2000 01:33:06 EDT

In a message dated 4/18/00 6:52:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
Shaun.Hately@auspost.com.au writes:

<< Also - the 1970s TP were more independent - in the 1990s version, parents
 (and other adult relatives) play a bigger part. In the 1970s version, for
 the most part, parents were so far in the background as to never be seen.
 They weren't involved. John and Liz were adults - young adults, but adults
 nonetheless - and they were the ones who lead and controlled things - in the
 1990s series, things are weakened somewhat IMHO, by General Damon's constant
 presence - OK, the 1990s TP don't listen to him much, but he's always there.
 And they are all kids - Megabyte is the only one who you see any sign of
 changing maturity in - that's not to say Adam isn't mature, nor Ami - but
 they are really not much different at the end from when they started. During
 the 1970s series, you saw Stephen, and Mike - and to a lesser extent, Tyso -
 grow up, change, and mature. Both started out, fairly callow and
 irresponsible - and both develop into responsible, and powerful figures.
 This applies less to John and Liz - both of whom start out mature beyond
 their years IMHO. (-8 >>

    the new tps didnt mature b/cause nick didnt give them time to mature. 
we're talking about an eight-year long show up against a 25 ep. show. If the 
old series ended at the same time that the new series did, stephen and tyso 
and whoever else would still be their irresponsible selves. 
    also, the new tp was written to relate to kids and of course almost every 
kid is annoyed with either having their parents away or around too much. 
    OKay, so there was colonel cobb and the twins (and lady mulvaney and 
Professor Middlemass and Wilkie....). and there is the incessant laughing of 
culex and colonel cobb. but that was just the beginning of the show. i didnt 
think "the x-files" or "friends" had too many well written eps in their 
beginnings (of course some might even disagree with that), but look where 
they are now. It would have been the same with the new tps if nick had let it 
on the air a little bit longer, right? "The Rameses Connection" and "The 
Living Stones" are proof that the writers wanted to get more serious. 
    And plus, if you take out the cackling of mulvany, culex and cobb, the 
bickering of wilkie and middlemass and the unreal unisoness (is that a word?) 
of the twins, then the plot and story of "The Culex Experiment" and "Monsoon 
Man" actually makes for a good viewing experience. 
    I also like how the new tps still had real lives other than being tps, 
like adam and megabyte going to a club, ami going to australia with her mom, 
adam and megabyte pigging out in front of the tube, and even megabyte buying 
groceries showed that they were still normal kids.
    Well, i have to continue this debate tomorrow. i still have a load of 
homework i havent done and its 1230am!!! 



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From: Megabyte725@cs.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: tpseason 8, possible gobetween, new series
Date: 19 Apr 2000 01:35:49 EDT

In a message dated 4/18/00 7:50:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
CMento6653@aol.com writes:

<< (sorry, a little X FILES humor there 
 and let us face it, X FILES needs a little humor) >>

ok, so this really isnt concerning the tp at all, but: 
cmento, u dont watch xfiles much, do ya? they have a truckload of humorous 
eps. i can name 20 off the top of my head. 



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From: Megabyte725@cs.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: 11 reasons why I like the new series
Date: 19 Apr 2000 01:43:48 EDT

In a message dated 4/18/00 9:36:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
Shaun.Hately@auspost.com.au writes:

<< I can think of virtually no betrayal in the new series. Maybe I'm just 
dense
 - but I see it all the time in the original series. >>

dude, ur 4getting about Ami wanting to kill adam and megabyte under Rameses's 
control, general damon and mrs. weston being controlled by the aliens, etc. 
though these betrayals were not under their control, they were betrayals 
nontheless. the mind control adds the paranoia factor in the series doesnt 
it? (funny if u'd hide from your friend cuz he was wearing a medallion that 
looked like ami's. :)



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From: "Hately, Shaun" <Shaun.Hately@auspost.com.au>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: 11 reasons why I like the new series
Date: 19 Apr 2000 15:47:29 +1000

> From: Megabyte725@cs.com [mailto:Megabyte725@cs.com]
> 
> dude, ur 4getting about Ami wanting to kill adam and megabyte 
> under Rameses's 
> control, general damon and mrs. weston being controlled by 
> the aliens, etc. 
> though these betrayals were not under their control, they 
> were betrayals 
> nontheless. the mind control adds the paranoia factor in the 
> series doesnt 
> it? (funny if u'd hide from your friend cuz he was wearing a 
> medallion that 
> looked like ami's. :)

Well, if that's what you mean by betrayal, fine - but in that case, how
about Stephen opening the Lab to Jedikiah in Slaves of Jedikiah, Chris under
the control of the Denajeli badges in The Blue and the Green, John under the
control of Sogguth, Mike and Hsui Tai controlled by the Ballboids...

The same applies in the original series.

Shaun 
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From: "Hately, Shaun" <Shaun.Hately@auspost.com.au>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: os vs ns
Date: 19 Apr 2000 15:48:46 +1000

> From: Megabyte725@cs.com [mailto:Megabyte725@cs.com]
> 
>     the new tps didnt mature b/cause nick didnt give them 
> time to mature. 
> we're talking about an eight-year long show up against a 25 
> ep. show. If the 
> old series ended at the same time that the new series did, 
> stephen and tyso 
> and whoever else would still be their irresponsible selves. 

True enough - and I'm not saying it's the new series' fault these things
didn't happen. If they had been given the chance to continue, maybe I would
have liked it more.

But the fact remains that one of the reasons I liked the original series is
that we did see this maturation process - maybe we would have seen it if the
new series had continued - but as it is, it doesn't have it.

>     also, the new tp was written to relate to kids and of 
> course almost every 
> kid is annoyed with either having their parents away or 
> around too much.

The original series was written for kids as well (-8 Much as I wish
otherwise, now.
 
>     OKay, so there was colonel cobb and the twins (and lady 
> mulvaney and 
> Professor Middlemass and Wilkie....). and there is the 
> incessant laughing of 
> culex and colonel cobb. but that was just the beginning of 
> the show. i didnt 
> think "the x-files" or "friends" had too many well written 
> eps in their 
> beginnings (of course some might even disagree with that), 
> but look where 
> they are now. It would have been the same with the new tps if 
> nick had let it 
> on the air a little bit longer, right? "The Rameses 
> Connection" and "The 
> Living Stones" are proof that the writers wanted to get more serious. 

It might be - although if it went on, it also might have gone the same way
as the Original series which eventually wound up with some very silly
episodes. The fact is, it didn't go on - which I thinks absolutely stinks -
so we just can't know.

>     And plus, if you take out the cackling of mulvany, culex 
> and cobb, the 
> bickering of wilkie and middlemass and the unreal unisoness 
> (is that a word?) 
> of the twins, then the plot and story of "The Culex 
> Experiment" and "Monsoon 
> Man" actually makes for a good viewing experience.

I never said they didn't - but one could just as well argue, that if you
eliminated bubbleskin jumpsuits, and aliens who seem to be puppies, certain
of the original series serials would have been better (-8

The thing is - if you want to argue about which series is better, you can't
really say that "if this wasn't in there, it would have been better" proves
it was better. Better is the wrong word, anyway - I won't claim the original
series was better - just that I preferred it and why I did.

It's OK to say Monsoon Man would have been a better serial if Colonel Cobb
had been different - but the fact is, he wasn't.

As I've said, if not for one element of RC, that serial would be a serious
challenger for my favourite - but that element is there.
 
>     I also like how the new tps still had real lives other 
> than being tps, 
> like adam and megabyte going to a club, ami going to 
> australia with her mom, 
> adam and megabyte pigging out in front of the tube, and even 
> megabyte buying 
> groceries showed that they were still normal kids.

Well, as I've said in a previous post, the fact they were 'still normal
kids' didn't appeal to me - that's just me, but it is one reason the show
didn't appeal as much to me.

Besides - we know Mike goes to clubs in the original series, we see Liz,
Mike and Hsui Tai, clothes shopping - I don't think we can argue that the
original TP didn't have real lives. Except John.

Shaun
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From: "Hately, Shaun" <Shaun.Hately@auspost.com.au>
Subject: TPDIS: Alex Milman - Aussie TV
Date: 19 Apr 2000 16:08:06 +1000

From Monday, 5 o'clock, the ABC (Australian one, that is) will be rerunning
The Genie from Downunder starring Alexandra Milman.

Shaun
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From: "Rachael Bailey" <hera101@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: 11 reasons why I like the new series
Date: 18 Apr 2000 23:26:08 PDT


> > Why I like the new series
> > 1. OK, I gotta say this one for the ladies: Kristian (Adam)
> > is incredibly
> > hot. Christian
> >    (Megabyte) looks good too. And as long as we're n looks, the new
> > series had less
> >    abhorant fashions.
>
>Hmm - actually, I prefer the clothes from the 1970s to those worn in the
>1990s - especially that striped thing Adam wore (-8

It goes to reason that people would like the 90's clothes better, but not 
because they are better just because they are closer to the fashions we wear 
today. In a few years time the 90's clothes will look terrible. I can think 
of lots of really bad 90's fashions that we will regret in the future.


>Personally, I'm not as equipped to judge the guys looks (-8 but I think 
>John
>and Mike were easily more handsome that Adam or Megabyte, Stephen... well, 
>I
>need to be careful in what I say, because the only regular listie close
>enough to thump me, likes him (-8

Stephen is adorable, mind you Megabyte and Adam have their own charm, but in 
my view Stephen is the best by far. (From the girl close enough to thump 
Shaun!!!)


>For the girls, though - Liz is, IMTUA, beautiful. Carol was a looker as
>well. Hsui Tai never did much for me - Pavla... well, let's just point out
>that that actress appeared in Playboy as a Playmate of the Month and leave
>it at that, shall we (-8. Tricia reminds me too much of a teacher I had - 
>in
>appearance and temperament. From the new series, I like Ami - but Lisa,
>while pretty enough, has never appealed, and Jade was just too young, by 
>the
>time I saw her for me even to *want* to think of her in that way (-8.

The new series girl’s all appeared younger, and less mature than the old 
series. Maybe it is due to the fact that people had to grow up quicker back 
then.  The lack of older, more mature, TP’s on the new series made it seem 
more like a kids show than the old series. Since I saw both series for the 
first time when I was about 17, the older series appealed to me more.

> > 7. The humor- Even the bad humor (like Megabyte's jokes)
> > added something
> > to the
> >   show.
>
>You want to see bad humour - look at A Man for Emily.

Hey don’t knock ‘A Man for Emily’ Shaun, that cracks me up every time I 
watch it. It was so bad it was hilarious!!!

> > 9. Let's face it, the old series tp were snobs. (As a sap, I was
> > offended. :) ) They rarely
> >    went outside the lab, much less interacted with many normal humans.
> > How are you
> >    supposed to protect a whole group of people when you don't interact
> > with them and
> >    know what's going on with them.

The story line , in the old series, focused on the Tp’s interaction with the 
aliens and ‘evils’ as such that were threatening the earth. I’m sure there 
were plenty of times where they interacted with normal humans, it just 
wasn’t necessary to show those times to enhance the story line.

> > Also I have two questions for you to ponder:
> > 1. Why is it that (except for Hsui Tai) all the tp spoke
> > English as their
> > native language? Also why were there only 3 races represened? Do you
> > think that there is a group of spanish-speaking tp out there?
> > A group of
> > japanese tp? A group of Russian tp? Also, at least in the new
> > series, why
> > were all the tp in roughly the same class? Why didn't we have
> > any poorer
> > tommorow people?
>
>I think that's an assumption - I have always had the impression that Kevin
>was not from a well-off background. We know very little about Adam -
>personally I place him as upper middle class from the way he speaks and 
>acts
>- but guess what - that's where most people would place me and I grew up on
>working class housing estates, of very working class stock (-8 Ask Rachael
>about the Pines Estate where I live and it's reputation (-8

Don’t forget I was born in the Pines too Shaun :)
It is very hard to tell someone’s social class from what little we saw of 
the TP. If you try to judge them by the size of their house or something 
like that it is not going to be very accurate, as prices can very from 
suburb to suburb. So Jade’s house, in the country, might have cost a lot 
less than it would of in the city. The same thing can apply for the way a 
person speaks. Yes there are the typical stereotypes, but as Shaun said they 
are not always correct. I have never had anyone pick me for a working class 
family as I had a private schooling background and that comes out in my 
interaction with others. So we really can’t say whether the Tp’s are in the 
same social class or not.

Rachael with an A :)

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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: tpseason 8, possible gobetween, new series
Date: 19 Apr 2000 05:59:48 EDT

In a message dated 00-04-19 01:36:23 EDT, you write:

<< 
 ok, so this really isnt concerning the tp at all, but: 
 cmento, u dont watch xfiles much, do ya? they have a truckload of humorous 
 eps. i can name 20 off the top of my head. 
 
  >>


This is true. At the time I wrote this, I didn't watch nor liked X FILES but 
I do both now.

On another topic, whoever thinks the TP in the old show spent all the time in 
the lab is wrong. They had lives just like the 1990 TPs, in fact maybe more 
so. The adults didn't become the overpowering decision makers in the old 
show, the Tp had to rely on themselves mostly--they didn't thankfully need a 
UNIT in the form of Gen. Damon and his army. As for outside lives, Kenny and 
Stephen played soccer, Liz taught, and if the novels can be believed Liz had 
a landlord who was nosey, Stephen had a friend named Malcolm who lived near 
him. Back to the TV show: Mike played in a band and hung out at discos. John 
bought roadsters and sold inventions. And yes, one of the good things about 
the TP was that they were different and apart from the Norm human beings. 
Stephen went to visit Cawston and the old lady Prof. John flew a glider.  
Tyso and Stephen went to a TV show performance. Tyso raised bees and hunted. 
Each Tp was slightlly different than regular people anyway and that fact made 
them somewhat apart from others but they were hardly sheltered away from the 
rest of the world. I liked that they were young and didn't have to always 
rely on adults. It can also be figured that other stuff happened between 
episodes. Stephen was probably close to Douglas and Paul after THE DOOMSDAY 
MEN. He and John took trips to swim and also went to other planets (THE BLUE 
AND GREEN). The Tp took to having Sap friends like Ginge, Lefty, and Chris. 
John also must have taken to changing the mind of the SIS since by HITLER'S 
LAST SECRET the military worked with the Tp but this was a shakey union at 
best and didn't overpower the series as it did with Damon and his dull army 
cronies.    

As for another country Tp: we have Pavla who was Russian and it was hinted 
that many other Russian psis existed but didn't become Tp due to the ";evil"  
influence of their government and this could have happened in other countries 
as well. So in the Old TP we had England, South Africa or Africa, Scotland, 
Nepel (China?), and Russia. I don't think the new show did much to change 
that balance. It could have been even more balanced out: say France, 
Scotland, Ireland, USA, England, Australia, Spain, Mexico, Russian, Polish, 
German, Pakistani, etc, etc. I think this is one of the strengths of TC's 
universe, in that  many nationalities, religions, and countries yield TP. On 
the other hand one of the weaknesses of the TC universe is that there are SO 
many Tp and I guess the original show pointed toward this mass 
breakout/exodus.


<<<<<<<It might be - although if it went on, it also might have gone the same 
way
as the Original series which eventually wound up with some very silly
episodes. The fact is, it didn't go on - which I thinks absolutely stinks -
so we just can't know.>>>>>>>>>.

The New Show started with very silly episodes (the first story) and continued 
to be silly (MOSOON MAN for one) with very goofy villains. Jedikiah killed in 
the original show. Col.Masters was totally cold and ruthless. The Doomsday 
Men shot two men and killed others. The Kulthan even if not seen, were creepy 
in just their reputation. The Kleptons were slightly disgusting. Most of the 
evil dudes in the original show were much scarier and less over the top than 
the new show. Yeah, we did get a few later on but this was not as constant as 
the new show's excesses in dafty villains and so early in its life.
      
I think the fact that the Tp was just not the same show at all is what I 
dislike most about it. No TIM, no links to the Galactic Federation, no Time 
Guardians, no terms such as Jaunting, no bands or belts, no real emphasis on 
breaking out and all that entails, the actual powers weren't stressed either. 
All these could be forgiven if the stories were all that strong and the 
characters the TP become involved with interesting or funny in some way (they 
weren't, they were just silly with lots of bathroom humor and gloating and 
mugging it up). There wasn't the feeling that these were different beings who 
were going to lead the forefront of changes in the world, the world fighting 
all the way. And the military were mostly anti TP.



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From: David Steinberg <zzyzx@seanet.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: os vs ns
Date: 19 Apr 2000 06:31:23 -0700 (PDT)

I'm reminded of something that someone said at the beginning of this
thread.  The OS was much more tied in to the world as I knew it.  They
met with politicians who acted much like politicians do.  They
interacted with the greater world in fairly realistic ways.  It's
something that I could believe, in my sillier moments, was actually
happening.  The new series seems to take place in its own little
universe that has no relation to the one that I live in.  Something's
lost.

Note: I don't really acknowledge much after Mike joined the TP as
really being part of the OS ;)

-David "ZZYZX" Steinberg   www.ihoz.com  "very strange raving egomaniac"
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From: David Steinberg <zzyzx@seanet.com>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: os vs ns
Date: 19 Apr 2000 06:33:37 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Hately, Shaun wrote:

> Besides - we know Mike goes to clubs in the original series, we see Liz,
> Mike and Hsui Tai, clothes shopping - I don't think we can argue that the
> original TP didn't have real lives. Except John.

...who at least jaunted to tropical paradises ;)



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From: Rebecca E Thompson <ellenore1@juno.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: 11 reasons why I like the new series
Date: 19 Apr 2000 10:13:03 -0400

Also, in the first episode, we thought for a while that Megabyte's father
was the one who wanted to capture all the tp and study them. That plot
point was actually one of the things that got me addicted to the new
series.
                                                                         
        Ellenore

> 
> dude, ur 4getting about Ami wanting to kill adam and megabyte under 
> Rameses's 
> control, general damon and mrs. weston being controlled by the 
> aliens, etc. 
> though these betrayals were not under their control, they were 
> betrayals 
> nontheless. the mind control adds the paranoia factor in the series 
> doesnt 
> it? (funny if u'd hide from your friend cuz he was wearing a 
> medallion that 
> looked like ami's. :)
> 

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From: Rebecca E Thompson <ellenore1@juno.com>
Subject: TPDIS: general response to all...responses
Date: 19 Apr 2000 10:39:30 -0400


> 
> The New Show started with very silly episodes (the first story) 
   OK, I have to say this.
     The origin story was not silly, it was one of the best new series
episodes! I liked the plot. You know if the US government thought that
there really were people who could teleport they would hunt them down and
make them lab rats before you could say "Oh sh*t!". No one would find out
about it. The military's lied to us before.  If the united states didn't
do it, I'm sure some government somewher would. Also Lisa was in the
origin story, and you had that wonderful Kevin/Megabyte interaction.
    
 As for whoever said Stephen looked better than Adam and Megabyte: Do you
have eyes girl?! (I say that in the most loving way possible. :) ) Can
you not see the fineness that is Adam? C'mon, the man is hot. He almost
challenges James Masters!
  I am in no position to judge girls, but I think Ami could rival Liz.
They're about equal.
   
  OK, maybe the old series people had lives, but they still spent a lot
of their time on the ship. The new series tp spent way more time i the
real world than on the ship. 

I still think the new series wasn't too silly for a kids show. Maybe
that's because I first saw the show when I was 12 and still somewhat
kid-like.

OK, I've got to go write one of my 4 paperrs due this week. *sigh*
                                                               Ellenore
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From: Jackie Clark <jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: os vs ns
Date: 19 Apr 2000 16:12:09 +0100

"Hately, Shaun" wrote:


> The 1970s series was less childish IMHO, as well. The 1990s version is a
> kids show and deliberately so - and while the 1970s version was as well, it
> wasn't, generally, as juvenile IMHO. Stories like Secret Weapon where it
> emerges that Tyso is beaten by his father, the Heart of Sogguth with its use
> of evil as a villain. The Dirtiest Business - that's the big one - where we
> see mention of drug use, and prostitution - and in the end, the death of
> someone the Tomorrow People want to save. There are parts where it is far
> darker - where the downside of being a TP is seen more.

>From what I've heard the show had 13 million viewers in the 70's which
was much more than the number of children available so who was watching
it? Adults! I agree with Shaun that the 90's version is still a kids
show but the 70's version with it's strong and sometimes dark
story lines was much much more.

> The 1990s version never once struck me as real - I watch it and see it as a
> story with no chance of ever feeling it was really possible. The 1970s
> series though - I watch it and see it as something that could be - something
> closer to a real possibility. And I like it.

I couldn't have put this better myself. To me the concept of the tp is
introduced in such a realistic way that you identify with it as a true
possibility. It touches you with a sense of rightness and gets under
your skin somehow. And I like it.

:) Jackie

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From: Jackie Clark <jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: tpdis; old vs new
Date: 19 Apr 2000 16:13:23 +0100


Wow! I go away for one night, to visit my sister who has had a serious
operation, and all hell breaks loose. The list has been so quiet lately
:( but here is what I believe to be the best thread for ages. there is
so much I want to comment on it's difficult to know where to start!

CMento6653@aol.com wrote:
> 
> The ideas! The mythos! The characters! The atmosphere!

Exactly!!!

 SECRET WEAPON was so much better
> than any story from the 1990 show. The acting was top notch and the
> seriousness of it couldn't be rivaled by the 1990 stories. The original show
> set up so much for a new show to use and with the tech of 1990, the new show
> should have been a total success. It wasn't. It had no heart, no legend, no
> mythology, no characters we really found out about. The old series had John,
> Liz, Stephen, and while we never found out much about them, we knew them. We
> liked them.

IMHO They felt like family and still do.

I cared about the moral dilemmas in the old Tp
> show, especially in SECRET WEAPON, DIRTIEST BUSINESS, DOOMSDAY MEN, CASTLE OF
> FEAR, and others.

TP without moral dilemmas is not TP IMHO. It was their need to solve
issues in a non violent way which made it special.
> 
> The first season had lots of dark atmosphere. The second was strong in story
> and character. The third made more TP break out, always a good thing. Some
> left, some broke out. A near renegade Tp! Someone using powers for crime?
> Space trips, time trips, something the new show never did nor attempted
> despite the time to do so. Trouble with other countries and home
> governments--again, something the new show never did. And interesting series
> characters who returned--Cawston, Tricia, Bruce, Col. Masters, Chris...what
> did we get with the new show, Jade's aunt? By the way did Jade's dog bite the
> dust and die? I never found out.

Yes. The old series had more than just the TP, the interplay between
characters like Cawston, Chris, Peter, Tricia etc. was wonderful.

The old series presented us with a way of living which the NS never did.
It was there to educate not just to entertain, but it managed to do
both. I remember watching the first episode of the NS and wondering
whether I'd recorded the wrong program! Somehow the title of 'Tomorrow
People' just didn't seem to fit it at all.

Jackie

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From: Jackie Clark <jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: 11 reasons why I like the new series
Date: 19 Apr 2000 16:14:02 +0100

Rebecca E Thompson wrote:
> Also I have two questions for you to ponder:
> 1. Why is it that (except for Hsui Tai) all the tp spoke English as their
> native language? Also why were there only 3 races represened? Do you
> think that there is a group of spanish-speaking tp out there? A group of
> japanese tp? A group of Russian tp? 

Yes definitely and i think Liz mentions them somewhere. We do know that
Pavla is one of many Russian telepaths. Maybe we only see british Tp
because they are the only one's who are organisesd enough to build a lab
etc. 

Also, at least in the new series, why
> were all the tp in roughly the same class? Why didn't we have any poorer
> tommorow people?

They were definitely not from the same class. John was middle class
(although his father was only a policeman which is not so high.) Carol's
parents were journalists AFAIK. Stephen's father was a scientist (this
came form the novelisation and I'm not sure if it was ever mentioned in
the series.)
But Kenny was very working class and so was Mike. Tyso was almost
underclass. Travellers on the UK are barely tolerated and the idea of a
Romany TP was excellent.



> 2. Can the tp sense eachother's really strong emotions? (I think Ami does
> this once in the new series) How much?

IMHO yes and Stephen almost does it, and Liz too, but it is never
articulated exactly. 

 How about really strong sensations, like pain or an orgasm or
something? Could they feel another
> tp's death? 

This is mentioned somewhere I'm sure. Does anyone remember? 

As for orgasms I'll keep quiet on that one for now there being young
people on the list. IMHO the TP would discover much more once there were
many more of them around doing varied activities worthy of sensing.

Jackie
>

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From: David Steinberg <zzyzx@seanet.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: 11 reasons why I like the new series
Date: 19 Apr 2000 08:15:51 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Jackie Clark wrote:
> 
>  How about really strong sensations, like pain or an orgasm or
> something? Could they feel another
> > tp's death? 
> 
> This is mentioned somewhere I'm sure. Does anyone remember? 

I don't remember the ep, but I remember a quote like "He's not
dead; we would know if he was dead..."  or maybe I'm just
halluncinating


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From: "Jen Sulzer" <jsulzer@kent.edu>
Subject: TPDIS: Re: OS vs. NS
Date: 19 Apr 2000 11:57:41 -0400

Okay, I'm going to crawl out from under my load of paperwork to put in my
$.02 on this.

Before I ordered my tapes, I had only seen the NS on Nickelodeon when I was
12.  I fell in love instantly, and even dragged my cousins in to watch it
with me. (None of them converted, unfortunately!)  When I finally received
my tapes (thanks, Wendy!), I popped the first OS one in the VCR eagerly, and
was instantly transported to that realm of possibility we all visit from
time to time, where anything is possible.

I firmly believe you sometimes have to suspend rationality while you watch
the TP in order to appreciate what those involved with the show were trying
to achieve.  There is a certain magic to these shows, no matter which series
they came from, that shows up all to seldom in today's television shows.

Jen (A TP fan of both series, & proud of it! :-))
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From: Michele Bumbarger <chelesedai@techie.com>
Subject: TPDIS: TP Episodes
Date: 19 Apr 2000 12:03:45 -0400 (EDT)

Are there a great many people out there who want or need the Tomorrow
People (original series or new series) on video?

The reason I ask is because I now have in my possession two very good,
very reliable, high quality VCR's and I would be more than willing to
copy tapes for people, in much the same fashion that Wendy used to do,
with one requirement: I NEED THE ORIGINAL SERIES. I do not have all of
the original series on video, so it would be a moot point for me to
offer my services if I could not offer them completely.

So, the question behind this email is: Is there anyone who would be
willing to copy the Original Series for me?

Let me know!
Michele

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From: Wendy Kelley <ladyslvr@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: tpdis; old vs new 
Date: 19 Apr 2000 09:17:34 -0500


> >it looked like it had been filmed w/ my moms camcorder or something.

It probably was.  The original series was made on tape and the new series
was made on film (IIRC).  Right there is a huge quality difference.




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From: CMento6653@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: He's not dead, John.
Date: 19 Apr 2000 13:15:17 EDT


 How about really strong sensations, like pain or an orgasm or
something? Could they feel another
> tp's death? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

There were two spots something like this was mentioned. I think. One was in 
DOOMSDAY MEN when Stephen was unconscious in the end of the third episode and 
the beginning of the fourth (last of DOOMSDAY MEN) episode. Liz asks or 
someone asks if he is dead. John gives some kind of  good explanation as to 
why they would know if he were dead. Another story, one with Hsue Tai, I 
think, also has this kind of explanation but I could be wrong.  



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From: Vivian Arney <TIA-PALS@excite.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: He's not dead, John.
Date: 19 Apr 2000 10:32:48 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:15:17 EDT, tpdis@lists.xmission.com wrote:

>  
>   How about really strong sensations, like pain or an orgasm or
>  something? Could they feel another
>  > tp's death? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>  
>  There were two spots something like this was mentioned. I think. One was
in 
>  DOOMSDAY MEN when Stephen was unconscious in the end of the third episode
and 
>  the beginning of the fourth (last of DOOMSDAY MEN) episode. Liz asks or 
>  someone asks if he is dead. John gives some kind of  good explanation as
to 
>  why they would know if he were dead. Another story, one with Hsue Tai, I 
>  think, also has this kind of explanation but I could be wrong.  

The line is something like: "If a telepath you know dies, you can feel the
emptiness." - 
Tim and John both say something like this in different episodes.
I guess exposure to Varlumin doesn't register, tho.

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From: Jeremy Rogers <jeremy.rogers@zetnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: tpdis; old vs new
Date: 19 Apr 2000 07:03:55 +0100

 Megabyte725@cs.com wrote: 

> first, i have to admit that the britishness was one of the things that 
> annoyed me. i mean, for God's sake, it looked like it had been filmed w/ my 
> moms camcorder or something. 

I fail to see the connection you are making here.

The original TP was a moderately high (at the start) budget 
children's programme made on film outside and using standard tube 
cameras in the studio
as was normal for British drama at the time. Things became much more rushed
later as the budget failed to keep up with inflation.

You have quite probably watched poor standard conversion copies which 
wouldn't help.

The remake was the second most expensive British children's series 
made to that time, entirely on film. It is therefore bound to look 
better from a technical point of view, although the episodes I saw on 
Nick rather than ITV were shown in the wrong aspect ratio (4:3 
instead of the 14:9 it was made in). More or less all drama for 
British TV is now made in widescreen.

>     and as for the walking, driving, riding, etc. scenes. what do you expect 
> them to do? teleport all the time? the only reason there are hardly any 
> scenes like that in the old series was b/cause the tps were always stuck in 
> the lab! at least the new tps walked around and interacted with other people 
> (this is in conjunction with what some1 else said, i think).

For some it was the separateness which differentiates the series from simply
run-of-the-mill 'kids with special powers' (tm). In some ways the separateness
and problems that brings was explored more in the series made after the new
Tomorrow People (Delta Wave)

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From: "David_M_Yates" <David_M_Yates@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: 11 reasons why I like the new series
Date: 19 Apr 2000 20:18:53 +0100



>>Hmm - actually, I prefer the clothes from the 1970s to those worn in the
>>1990s - especially that striped thing Adam wore (-8
>
>It goes to reason that people would like the 90's clothes better, but not
>because they are better just because they are closer to the fashions we
wear
>today. In a few years time the 90's clothes will look terrible. I can think
>of lots of really bad 90's fashions that we will regret in the future.

I'm no expert in fashion, but hasn't there been something of a "Seventies
Revival" going on recently?  You know, ABBA etc??  Perhaps those old TP
fashions will come back in!!   "Tank Tops Rule"!!

(Ugh! now there's a bad thought!)

As for which genre I prefer, Much as I like the new series for many of the
reasons listed in the recent debate.
I grew up with the old series here in the UK. I will always have a soft spot
for it.

Perhaps it is simply a case of "Which one did I see first?"

David.






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From: AmyH3x4@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: 11 reasons why I like the new series
Date: 19 Apr 2000 16:11:24 EDT

woah, we are talking a lot!  

Oh, by the way, I've recently started up my screenshot-capture-program, and 
as it is SPRING BREAK (yeah!) I've been having fun with my beloved Picture 
Publisher program ::Amy pats her computer fondly and scares TPdis members::  
So I made a teleporting animated gif that I am very proud of, as well as new 
graphics for the Tomorrow People Ring... they can be seen at my main page 
(http://www.cyhaus.com/tp/) if you like ^.^  By the way, I'm getting new 
images and sounds for my page as it is SPRING BREAK, so if people have any 
requests, let me know.  I'm probably going to replace all my old series 
sounds, as they are a bit too quiet.  

By the way, I think it's fun to compare the old and new series, but I think 
they should be compared as two different things.  Although they share the 
same name, it's obvious that there are different parts to them which make 
them unique and special.  

People have given plenty of examples for the old series, but just the other 
day I was reminded why I liked Origin Story so much.  It was because of all 
those eccentric bits that came out of nowhere!  I mean, there was the guy 
walking the turtle (he showed up twice), and then that scene where Kevin was 
trying to figure out which bathroom to go in, and in the background a guy was 
giving a very cute proposal to a girl.  And then there was the random 
eccentricness (is that a word?) of PC Holloway, the female cop who showed up 
at Megabyte's house.  And Gloria ^.^ (she was so cool, but probably just 
there for comic relief).

Sure, these things took away some of the seriousness of Origin Story, but I 
don't think this serial was meant to be so serious.  And besides, the writers 
proved themselves at being serious by making Rameses Connection.

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