From: Jeff Jacob Subject: (trekchat) TOS "I" Card Date: 01 Jan 1998 12:04:19 -0600 Hiya, So, What is the picture on the "I" card? And where can i see a picture onf one? Hu Hu HU? Jeff -- _____..---======+*+=======--..___ ___________________ __,-='=====____ ============== ___===== (.__________________I__) - _-=_/ `'------=+=-------'` / /__...---==='---+---_' Capt. Jeffrey S Jacob '----'---.___ - _ = _.-' Capcom@aol.com -------' capcom@super-highway.net http://www.super-highway.net/users/capcom/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Cutler Subject: Re: (trekchat) TOS "I" Card Date: 01 Jan 1998 10:13:20 -0800 Jeff Jacob wrote: > Hiya, > So, What is the picture on the "I" card? And where can i see a picture > > onf one? Hu Hu HU? > Jeff It is the Starfleet insignia on a gold-colored uniform. I sent mine in for the free autograph cards before scanning it, but someone else here was planning to do a scan. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Jacob Subject: Re: (trekchat) TOS "I" Card Date: 01 Jan 1998 12:15:05 -0600 Mark Cutler wrote: > It is the Starfleet insignia on a gold-colored uniform. I sent mine in > for the free autograph cards before scanning it, but someone else here > was planning to do a scan. I thought someone was going to scan it. But i never seen anyone anouncing that they they had done it yet. Thanks Mark. Happy New year! Jeff -- _____..---======+*+=======--..___ ___________________ __,-='=====____ ============== ___===== (.__________________I__) - _-=_/ `'------=+=-------'` / /__...---==='---+---_' Capt. Jeffrey S Jacob '----'---.___ - _ = _.-' Capcom@aol.com -------' capcom@super-highway.net http://www.super-highway.net/users/capcom/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J!m Hepworth Subject: Re: (trekchat) TOS "I" Card Date: 01 Jan 1998 11:50:51 -0700 At 12:04 PM 1/1/98 -0600, you wrote: >Hiya, >So, What is the picture on the "I" card? And where can i see a picture >onf one? Hu Hu HU? I haven't sent mine in yet. I am planning on scanning it but my scanners down and I have had a problem getting it going. If I can't get it going in the next few days I'm going to take the card over to my sister inlaws house and scan it. I also talked with Skybox and they gave the go ahead to copy the card front and send copies out to those who would like one. Full details on how to get a copy will be posted in a day or two. -J!m mailto:encore@xmission.com --- Star Trek Related Maillists --- TrekTrade - Collectors site to Trade, Buy or Sell Star Trek items. TrekChat - Ongoing discussion of Star Trek memoribilia. You must be a member to post messages to the maillist. To subscribe mailto:majordomo@lists.xmission.com with "subscribe trektrade" or "subscribe trekchat" in the body without quotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: (trekchat) I am so COLD! Date: 01 Jan 1998 23:12:38 -0500 I added a scan of the TOS Annuals I card to the Skybox page of the web site. It is not MY card, this is likely as close as I will get to one...;) http://www.jklm.net/atn/skybox.html Brrrrrrr........:shiver: Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C. Curtis Engel" Subject: (trekchat) Skybox gripes & comments... Date: 03 Jan 1998 00:34:41 -0800 (PST) OK, I got behind on reading trekchat, and I read all of the last months postings last night. I have a few comments: A lot of people reported that they bought boxes with no autos inside. The outside of the box says "An autograph in every box" or something like that. Is this not FALSE ADVERTISING? I can only afford to buy two boxes (which is more than I usually buy per set), and if one of them has no auto, I'm going to hassle Skybox to no end. Several people (some of whom bought many boxes) reported getting less than the advertised pack ratios for the different chase subsets (not just autographs). Of course, it is possible they were just unlucky, but after seeing people getting NO autographs when the box advertising explicitly says and autograph in every box, I have to wonder: IS SKYBOX SCREWING US ON PURPOSE? One person (I think J!m) was concerned there might be 2 different Kirk autos--after seeing the rest of this set, why should Skybox stop at one Kirk autograph card? C. Curtis Engel http://www.open.org/curtis/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: Re: (trekchat) Skybox gripes & comments... Date: 03 Jan 1998 09:49:28 -0500 C. Curtis Engel wrote: > > OK, I got behind on reading trekchat, and I read all of the last months > postings last night. I have a few comments: > > A lot of people reported that they bought boxes with no autos inside. The > outside of the box says "An autograph in every box" or something like that. > Is this not FALSE ADVERTISING? I can only afford to buy two boxes (which is > more than I usually buy per set), and if one of them has no auto, I'm going > to hassle Skybox to no end. > > Several people (some of whom bought many boxes) reported getting less than > the advertised pack ratios for the different chase subsets (not just > autographs). Of course, it is possible they were just unlucky, but after > seeing people getting NO autographs when the box advertising explicitly > says and autograph in every box, I have to wonder: IS SKYBOX SCREWING US ON > PURPOSE? Unless they are the best liars on the planet (well, it's possible I suppose) I doubt they did it on purpose. I had spoken once to Steve C who is the marketing director of the Trek stuff and he had mentioned they felt the auto ratio was really as low as 1 in 27 packs but the opted to keep the odds at 1:30 just in case they couldnt do as well with season II. He sounded genuienly excited about the autos and the set in general. What I didn't know was Skybox does not do any of it's own printing or packing, though I don't know who does and with as many people as I heard not get an auto in their box, there has to be a problem, but tracking down where the problem is might be diffucult. Is someone at the plant taking them? With as many I cards as are popping up, I guess they didn't know about those to take them. Are their sorting and inserting techniques really sloppy? If so, then maybe a hot box with lots of autos will show up, Jim mentioned he got one with THREE! One other issue to be addressed, does someone call and say they didnt get one when they did? It may just be me, but I have a hard time with the big evil company idea, I do however firmly belive in the big silly company who makes stupid marketing decisions. Making a gurantee such as that was the silliest thing. If your boxes don't have autos, by all means contact Skybox, they are sending out replacement autos, I'd suggest asking for a full box, sending in your opened box, but I doubt they could replace it since they are sold out. Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C. Curtis Engel" Subject: Re: (trekchat) Skybox gripes & comments... Date: 03 Jan 1998 19:32:03 -0800 (PST) >Unless they are the best liars on the planet (well, it's possible I >suppose) I doubt they did it on purpose..... I have a hard time with >the big evil company idea, I do however firmly belive in the big silly >company who makes stupid marketing decisions. I'd like to think you're correct. I just hope I get a box with 1, 2, or 3 rather than a box with a big fat GOOSE EGG. These cards are simply too expensive to buy a box and not get an autograph. This is the first time I've been in a position of feeling like I'm gambling when I buy a box. In the past, when I've bought boxes, I always felt confident that the contents of the box, when sorted and priced individually, would exceed the price I paid for the box. In this case, I feel like I have to get an autograph to break even. Remember the good old days of the 1993 Master Series? One base set of ~100 cards, and a small subset of 5 chase cards. You bought a box for about $20, got about 2.5 sets and 1 or 2 chase cards, and went on your merry way, trying to complete the chase card set by trading off your extra set and singles. Times sure have changed for ST fans. Some NON-Trek mfr's still seem to have the right idea; take Lost in Space for example--81-card base set, plus 9 1:11 cards, 6 1:17 cards, and one 1:108 card, just to make it interesting (the "Future Enterprise" of the Lost in Space set). That's a set that might actually be FUN to collect, because there's some hope that--though it would be difficult--I could complete the set someday before I die. I have no hope of ever completing a Skybox TOS Season 1 set. That really takes away a lot of the fun for me. I think Skybox has finally reached the bottom of Trek card collectors' deep pockets. Who knows--maybe the whole discussion is moot. Since Skybox made such a small number (yet another stupid marketing move) I may not be able to get any at all. I couldn't afford them when they first came out, and now that I have the money, I can't seem to find them anywhere. There's still a chance I won't totally boycott the product, so if there are any dealers out there that still have any boxes at a reasonable price, I'm your potential customer. Please e-mail. C. Curtis Engel http://www.open.org/curtis/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Jacob Subject: Re: (trekchat) Skybox gripes & comments... Date: 04 Jan 1998 01:42:51 -0600 C. Curtis Engel wrote: >I have no hope of ever completing a Skybox TOS Season 1 set. That >really takes away a lot of the fun for me. I think Skybox has finally >reached the bottom of Trek card collectors' deep pockets. Thats exactly the same sort of comment many action figure collectors made when playmates started putting out limited figures. Many poor collectors stoped collecting them then. But, dummy me keeps buying and looking for them. It's not that big companys lie about there products that they want to produce for the upcomming year. It's just that there is so much optinism amoungst big companys to put out such a great product that they loose the forsite that the average joe wont be able to afford that great item. Especaily in the secondary market. Certin things help this snowball effect along the way. Such things as the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing in house. Playmates does this all the time. Missnumbering, Conflicting reports of number of figures produced, Release dates. Magizines reviewing and pictuering action figures that never ever get released. (usualy pictures from the toyfair) This all gets the collectors hopes up to get that special something.. And in the end... Well, you know.... Skybox does the samething in slightly diffrent ways. Duel-flip holos for season 5?, NOT! (that really pissed me off) Album for season 6?, NOT! Sell sheet info that is more often diffrent than the end product. The Dealer is suppose to sell the coustumer these items based on this info. When the end product is diffrent than origionaly announced, it usualy gets the custumer wondering what the heck these companys are up to. Another thing i have noticed, Why are box prices skyrocketing? Sure the TOS is limited to 16,000 boxes. But does anyone know how many boxes of the other star trek products that were previously released? People were trying to presell TOS between $48-$52 a box. Now after there realesed there up to $60-75 and riseing. If i could of seen into the future i would of liquidated assets and pre purchased as many boxes i could of. Autograph cards have doubled and trippled in price since the release too. The way things are going (if the money is availble) i,ll be grabing every $25-30 autograph card i see. If i,m lucky, By the end of the year i,ll be 2-3 autograph cards short from the TOS season 1 set. Ahhh... errr...Set? yea right. Jeff -- _____..---======+*+=======--..___ ___________________ __,-='=====____ ============== ___===== (.__________________I__) - _-=_/ `'------=+=-------'` / /__...---==='---+---_' Capt. Jeffrey S Jacob '----'---.___ - _ = _.-' Capcom@aol.com -------' capcom@super-highway.net http://www.super-highway.net/users/capcom/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: (trekchat) advice Date: 05 Jan 1998 16:05:20 -0500 There is no doubt that I tend to be sort of a softie when it comes to deals and what not, bad traders...its why I set up the feedback section, since I tend to never count someone as a 'bad egg', this way people could make their own opinions known.Under what circumstances should a bid be withdrawn and besides negative feedback, should there be any penalties?? Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J!m Hepworth Subject: (trekchat) False advertising Date: 05 Jan 1998 14:21:47 -0700 Hi everyone, I found this guy on eBay trying to state that an A16 - Gary Lockwood was super-rare at only 300 made. I tried to be friendly and let him know that was incorrect but he didn't seem to believe me. I really don't like to see people posting totaly bogus info like that so if any of you feel like sending him a note please do so. Don't mention me, just say you saw this on eBay and that his info is wrong. ----------------- STAR TREK AUTO "A16" GARY LOCKWOOD http://iguana.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3605702 This card is a genuine star trek t,o,s, autograph. There are only 300 of these cards in the whole world. If you are the successeful bidder you pay shipping & handling At 03:11 PM 1/5/98 -0500, you wrote: >HI JIM > The information that I have been given has come direct from >CARDS INC UK & USA Who are the British sole supplier for Skybox >International so you could say that he would be told the odds for >distribution. If you would like a copy of the list that I was given please >send a stamped addressed envalope to -J!m mailto:encore@xmission.com Authorized Fleer/Skybox Hobby Dealer --- Star Trek Related Maillists --- TrekTrade - Collectors site to Trade, Buy or Sell Star Trek items. TrekChat - Ongoing discussion of Star Trek memoribilia. You must be a member to post messages to the maillist. To subscribe mailto:majordomo@lists.xmission.com with "subscribe trektrade" or "subscribe trekchat" in the body without quotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: (trekchat) I heard Date: 09 Jan 1998 10:52:14 -0500 I was talking to someone who mentioned he was under the impression Nimy wouldn't sign cards for the TOS tradig card set...anyone else heard this? Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J!m Hepworth Subject: Re: (trekchat) I heard Date: 09 Jan 1998 12:15:03 -0700 At 10:52 AM 1/9/98 -0500, you wrote: >I was talking to someone who mentioned he was under the impression Nimy >wouldn't sign cards for the TOS tradig card set...anyone else heard >this? No, but I thought I heard once that DeForrest Kelly had quit signing autographs because of some serious arthritis in his hands or something like that. It would be very sad to not be able to complete that main characters and crew at a minimum. -J!m mailto:encore@xmission.com Authorized Fleer/Skybox Hobby Dealer --- Star Trek Related Maillists --- TrekTrade - Collectors site to Trade, Buy or Sell Star Trek items. TrekChat - Ongoing discussion of Star Trek memoribilia. You must be a member to post messages to the maillist. To subscribe mailto:majordomo@lists.xmission.com with "subscribe trektrade" or "subscribe trekchat" in the body without quotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Maiocco Subject: Re: (trekchat) I heard Date: 10 Jan 1998 05:46:41 -0500 At 12:15 PM 1/9/98 -0700, you wrote: >At 10:52 AM 1/9/98 -0500, you wrote: >>I was talking to someone who mentioned he was under the impression Nimy >>wouldn't sign cards for the TOS tradig card set...anyone else heard >>this? > >No, but I thought I heard once that DeForrest Kelly had quit signing >autographs because of some serious arthritis in his hands or something like >that. > >It would be very sad to not be able to complete that main characters and >crew at a minimum. The last time Leonard was in Philly, he claimed that contractual obligations prohibited his signing. Some time later, he was scheduled to sign at a con he subsequently cancelled. LLAP #034>>"Life is not a problem; our reaction to it may be." - Kirt Undercoffer #001>> "Kirk is alive. Deal with it." -- Vince Maiocco, Lt. jg/USS Thagard/NCC-652/Sciences/ visit my website http://www.voicenet.com/~vmaiocco/ also visit my unofficial fan site (honest!) http://inet.net/~number6/vince.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: Re: (trekchat) I heard Date: 11 Jan 1998 09:12:24 -0500 Vince Maiocco wrote: > > At 12:15 PM 1/9/98 -0700, you wrote: > >At 10:52 AM 1/9/98 -0500, you wrote: > >>I was talking to someone who mentioned he was under the impression Nimy > >>wouldn't sign cards for the TOS tradig card set...anyone else heard > >>this? > > > >No, but I thought I heard once that DeForrest Kelly had quit signing > >autographs because of some serious arthritis in his hands or something like > >that. > > > >It would be very sad to not be able to complete that main characters and > >crew at a minimum. > > The last time Leonard was in Philly, he claimed that contractual > obligations prohibited his signing. Some time later, he was scheduled to > sign at a con he subsequently cancelled. > LLAP > He claims not to be able to sign autos in general? Or specifically this set? And then there is the cereal boxes from Canada, he didn't do thse either...... Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Maiocco Subject: Re: (trekchat) I heard Date: 13 Jan 1998 03:24:38 -0500 At 09:12 AM 1/11/98 -0500, you wrote: Re: Nimoy >He claims not to be able to sign autos in general? Or specifically this= set? I was saying that, in general, he always has an excuse why he won't be signing. >And then there is the cereal boxes from Canada, he didn't do thse= either.... Who did? I don't think I've seen sigs on any of them, have I? LLAP #567>>If there are self-made purgatories, then we all have to live in them. -- Spock, "This Side of Paradise," stardate 3417.7. #294>>Security, get that floozy off my bridge. =FE Picard #001>> "Kirk is alive. Deal with it." -- Vince Maiocco, Lt. jg/USS Thagard/NCC-652/Sciences/ visit my website =20 http://www.voicenet.com/~vmaiocco/ also visit my unofficial fan site (honest!) http://inet.net/~number6/vince.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: Re: (trekchat) I heard Date: 13 Jan 1998 07:59:37 -0500 Vince Maiocco wrote: > > At 09:12 AM 1/11/98 -0500, you wrote: > Re: Nimoy > > >He claims not to be able to sign autos in general? Or specifically this set? > > I was saying that, in general, he always has an excuse why he won't be > signing. > > >And then there is the cereal boxes from Canada, he didn't do thse either.... > > Who did? I don't think I've seen sigs on any of them, have I? > LLAP I just meant his image isn't there, airbrushed out of crew shots, that sort of thing. Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: (trekchat) TOS Annuals Season II Date: 13 Jan 1998 15:39:29 -0500 I spoke with Steve C from Skybox today to get a few tidbits about the upcoming series II. Kelly and Nimoy WILL sign. Nimoy did say no at first, but as persuaded to join the fun and I am delighted he did. One somewhat sour note, there will be a repeat of some of the main cast...Shatner Takei Nichols and Doohan will sign again in Season II. Actually, they signed at the same time as they did the first batch, which explains the difference in the web site image...that Kirk will be the soncond season Kirk auto. I expressed to him that seeing them sign in two seasons was somewhat discouraging to me, that the hunt once again would likely be overwhelming, but thought that perhaps them signing again, but as different characters they played..Mirror chatacters or undercover wouldn't be so bad. He said Takei's was a mirror character, but the others were not. The auto list isn't confirmed yet, but has a good guest star grouping on it. Print run will likely go up some, but he expected it to be in the 18,000 box run, that they didn't want to overproduce it. Anywa, just a tidbit! I congrantulated him no getting Nimpy to sign. He said he did up a binder with the first season cards..ALL inserts, including autos and a proposal and I guess he liked it! Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J!m Hepworth Subject: Re: (trekchat) TOS Annuals Season II Date: 13 Jan 1998 13:47:25 -0700 At 03:39 PM 1/13/98 -0500, you wrote: >I spoke with Steve C from Skybox today to get a few tidbits about the >upcoming series II. >Kelly and Nimoy WILL sign. Nimoy did say no at first, but as persuaded My guess would be Nimoy didn't want to feel like a total dolt being the only crew member not to sign. -J!m mailto:encore@xmission.com Authorized Fleer/Skybox Hobby Dealer --- Star Trek Related Maillists --- TrekTrade - Collectors site to Trade, Buy or Sell Star Trek items. TrekChat - Ongoing discussion of Star Trek memoribilia. You must be a member to post messages to the maillist. To subscribe mailto:majordomo@lists.xmission.com with "subscribe trektrade" or "subscribe trekchat" in the body without quotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Maiocco Subject: Re: (trekchat) I heard Date: 14 Jan 1998 04:05:15 -0500 At 07:59 AM 1/13/98 -0500, Lynne wrote: >> Re: Nimoy >> >And then there is the cereal boxes from Canada, he didn't do those either.... >I just meant his image isn't there, airbrushed out of crew shots, that >sort of thing. HOLY MACKEREL!! I didn't even notice he isn't there! Geez, what's up with that, I wonder? LLAP #567>>If there are self-made purgatories, then we all have to live in them. -- Spock, "This Side of Paradise," stardate 3417.7. #294>>Security, get that floozy off my bridge. =FE Picard #001>> "Kirk is alive. Deal with it." -- Vince Maiocco, Lt. jg/USS Thagard/NCC-652/Sciences/ visit my website =20 http://www.voicenet.com/~vmaiocco/ also visit my unofficial fan site (honest!) http://inet.net/~number6/vince.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: Re: (trekchat) I heard Date: 15 Jan 1998 12:17:32 -0500 Vince Maiocco wrote: > > At 07:59 AM 1/13/98 -0500, Lynne wrote: > >> Re: Nimoy > > >> >And then there is the cereal boxes from Canada, he didn't do those > either.... > >I just meant his image isn't there, airbrushed out of crew shots, that > >sort of thing. > > HOLY MACKEREL!! I didn't even notice he isn't there! Geez, what's up with > that, I wonder? > LLAP Funny, huh??!!! Silly boy, everyboy wants to be on a wheaties box! Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: (trekchat) posting guidelines Date: 15 Jan 1998 21:48:11 -0500 Did you see the way that mailing list adminstrator PICKED on me tonight...;) I guess the vote was to slap me...;) Well, so, tell me people...to keep or NOT to keep an I card, what isyour opinion, worth more dead(sent it) or alive (not redeemed) And under what circumstance would you keep it??? Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J!m Hepworth Subject: Re: (trekchat) posting guidelines Date: 15 Jan 1998 22:20:30 -0700 At 09:48 PM 1/15/98 -0500, you wrote: >Did you see the way that mailing list adminstrator PICKED on me >tonight...;) I guess the vote was to slap me...;) Do you feel like you deserved it??? >Well, so, tell me people...to keep or NOT to keep an I card, what isyour >opinion, worth more dead(sent it) or alive (not redeemed) And under what >circumstance would you keep it??? I think the question(s) should be: Is an unredeemed "I" card worth more than a full 26 card autograph set + a voided "I" card? Consider the above question both before and after the "I" card has expired. And remember that Skybox is sending a "void I" card back out to winners with thier sets. This means there won't be just a couple "I" cards left around, but 50 of them. So, is the voided one worth less than an unredeemed one after it expires? -J!m Encore Consulting mailto:encore@xmission.com Authorized Fleer/Skybox Hobby Dealer -------==== Star Trek Related Maillists ====------- TrekTrade - Find others to Trade with or Buy and Sell your extra Star Trek items TrekChat - Ongoing discussion of collecting Star Trek memoribilia. You must be a member to post messages to a maillist. To subscribe mailto:majordomo@lists.xmission.com with "subscribe trektrade" and/or "subscribe trekchat" in the body without quotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: Re: (trekchat) posting guidelines Date: 16 Jan 1998 08:50:46 -0500 J!m Hepworth wrote: > > At 09:48 PM 1/15/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Did you see the way that mailing list adminstrator PICKED on me > >tonight...;) I guess the vote was to slap me...;) > > Do you feel like you deserved it??? Oh yes, I was a baaaaaad girl!!!!!!!!! ;) > > >Well, so, tell me people...to keep or NOT to keep an I card, what isyour > >opinion, worth more dead(sent it) or alive (not redeemed) And under what > >circumstance would you keep it??? > > I think the question(s) should be: > > Is an unredeemed "I" card worth more than a full 26 card autograph set + a > voided "I" card? > > Consider the above question both before and after the "I" card has expired. > > And remember that Skybox is sending a "void I" card back out to winners > with thier sets. This means there won't be just a couple "I" cards left > around, but 50 of them. So, is the voided one worth less than an unredeemed > one after it expires? Putting monetary issues aside though, doesn't a part of you feel an unredeemed i card is unique? Something you have that few people will?? 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Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Elden Wilson Subject: RE: (trekchat) posting guidelines Date: 16 Jan 1998 16:47:02 -0500 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thursday, January 15, 1998 9:48 PM, Lynne Stewart [SMTP:lynne@jklm.net] wrote: > Did you see the way that mailing list adminstrator PICKED on me > tonight...;) I guess the vote was to slap me...;) > Well, so, tell me people...to keep or NOT to keep an I card, what > isyour > opinion, worth more dead(sent it) or alive (not redeemed) And under > what > circumstance would you keep it??? > Lynne I think the "I" card is worth the most sent to me! :-) Really, I would think that the future value of the autograph set would exceed the value of a non-redeemed "I" card. - --Bob (^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^) ) Robert Elden Wilson, M.D., Ph.D. "Personal Brain ( ( -------------------------------- Care Specialist" ) ) Email: rewilson@ncinter.net ( ( FTP: ftp.ncinter.net/home/rewilson ) ) WWW: http://www.ncinter.net/~rewilson/ ( ( PGP Key: FTP, WWW, or finger -l rewilson@pepper.ncinter.net ) ) Address: Saint Vincent Health Center, Erie, PA 16544 ( (______________________________________________________________) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv Comment: Processed by PGPClick 3.0 iQCVAwUBNL/VUpekfJOFWb8JAQG3gAP+M/R59T8t7ZrhnpWY4bFHS8aMjSki9AFD iatprRZTm3keBaRRV0uOT71+sNoGGYbLK59mGR8gsPlSyd8y7O5x7InVOsTBs4JZ 2qoVZwUr8ZF9o44Sbf71satLmSGyqwLyYs7isflsZryKNtNMJpgy2LLuWYub8FtR yxHkHGAdmpA= =8Uku -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: Re: (trekchat) posting guidelines Date: 16 Jan 1998 21:42:51 -0500 Robert Elden Wilson wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > On Thursday, January 15, 1998 9:48 PM, Lynne Stewart > [SMTP:lynne@jklm.net] wrote: > > Did you see the way that mailing list adminstrator PICKED on me > > tonight...;) I guess the vote was to slap me...;) > > Well, so, tell me people...to keep or NOT to keep an I card, what > > isyour > > opinion, worth more dead(sent it) or alive (not redeemed) And under > > what > > circumstance would you keep it??? > > Lynne > > I think the "I" card is worth the most sent to me! :-) > > Really, I would think that the future value of the autograph set would > exceed the value of a non-redeemed "I" card. > Absloutely, the value of the full set would be a redeemed set, but what about the addition to a collection? A card very few people would have...would you be the talk of the collecting community for having sucha rare card OR the laughing stock for not redeeming it... OH, btw...he OFC communicator is having a contest for a complete set..autos inserts and all...anyone wanna help me figure out the answers....;) Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Maiocco Subject: Re: (trekchat) posting guidelines Date: 16 Jan 1998 05:00:28 -0500 At 09:48 PM 1/15/98 -0500, you wrote: >Did you see the way that mailing list adminstrator PICKED on me >tonight...;) I guess the vote was to slap me...;) Not me! My vote was to give you a great big hug, but everyone else= said... >Well, so, tell me people...to keep or NOT to keep an I card, what isyour >opinion, worth more dead(sent it) or alive (not redeemed) And under what >circumstance would you keep it??? I probably oughtta keep my mouth shut, since I'm not even collecting this set, but IMHO, anyone who collects Trek and is really into cards would be hard-pressed to avoid redeeming the "I" card. I mean, its' only 1 rare card, but redeeming it means 26 rare cards, right? And you then get a "cancelled" "I" card back, besides? Wow, is this a no-brainer. LLAP #567>>If there are self-made purgatories, then we all have to live in them. -- Spock, "This Side of Paradise," stardate 3417.7. #294>>Security, get that floozy off my bridge. =FE Picard #001>> "Kirk is alive. Deal with it." -- Vince Maiocco, Lt. jg/USS Thagard/NCC-652/Sciences/ visit my website =20 http://www.voicenet.com/~vmaiocco/ also visit my unofficial fan site (honest!) http://inet.net/~number6/vince.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J!m Hepworth Subject: Re: (trekchat) posting guidelines Date: 17 Jan 1998 15:24:36 -0700 At 09:42 PM 1/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >OH, btw...he OFC communicator is having a contest for a complete >set..autos inserts and all...anyone wanna help me figure out the >answers....;) What are the questions? -J!m Encore Consulting mailto:encore@xmission.com Authorized Fleer/Skybox Hobby Dealer -------==== Star Trek Related Maillists ====------- TrekTrade - Find others to Trade with or Buy and Sell your extra Star Trek items TrekChat - Ongoing discussion of collecting Star Trek memoribilia. You must be a member to post messages to a maillist. To subscribe mailto:majordomo@lists.xmission.com with "subscribe trektrade" and/or "subscribe trekchat" in the body without quotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J!m Hepworth Subject: Re: (trekchat) posting guidelines Date: 17 Jan 1998 15:22:20 -0700 At 08:50 AM 1/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >Putting monetary issues aside though, doesn't a part of you feel an >unredeemed i card is unique? Something you have that few people will?? But then I won't have a voided "I" card that I'll want because other people have it. -J!m Encore Consulting mailto:encore@xmission.com Authorized Fleer/Skybox Hobby Dealer -------==== Star Trek Related Maillists ====------- TrekTrade - Find others to Trade with or Buy and Sell your extra Star Trek items TrekChat - Ongoing discussion of collecting Star Trek memoribilia. You must be a member to post messages to a maillist. To subscribe mailto:majordomo@lists.xmission.com with "subscribe trektrade" and/or "subscribe trekchat" in the body without quotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: Re: (trekchat) posting guidelines Date: 17 Jan 1998 17:45:30 -0500 J!m Hepworth wrote: > > At 09:42 PM 1/16/98 -0500, you wrote: > >OH, btw...he OFC communicator is having a contest for a complete > >set..autos inserts and all...anyone wanna help me figure out the > >answers....;) > > What are the questions? > I posted the questions and the form to fax here...http://www.jklm.net/atn/skybox.html I scanned them in gif format and was gonna add them to this email, but that's against the rules, right!!!! And I was too lazy to type them in. But, if you let me break the rules, it's a teeeny tiny file.... hehehehe I used a Chronolgy thingie and encyclopedia to get the answers last night.... Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: Re: (trekchat) posting guidelines Date: 17 Jan 1998 17:45:53 -0500 J!m Hepworth wrote: > > At 08:50 AM 1/16/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Putting monetary issues aside though, doesn't a part of you feel an > >unredeemed i card is unique? Something you have that few people will?? > > But then I won't have a voided "I" card that I'll want because other people > have it. > So, we must have BOTH then!!!!! Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: Re: (trekchat) posting guidelines Date: 17 Jan 1998 18:43:19 -0500 Vince Maiocco wrote: > > I probably oughtta keep my mouth shut, since I'm not even collecting this > set, but IMHO, anyone who collects Trek and is really into cards would be > hard-pressed to avoid redeeming the "I" card. I mean, its' only 1 rare > card, but redeeming it means 26 rare cards, right? And you then get a > "cancelled" "I" card back, besides? Wow, is this a no-brainer. > LLAP OK, though I don't dispute the 'lack of brains' description on many occassions, I still wonder if there is a'collectible' value to the I card...not monetary, collectible. If I pulled the I card in a pack, I would keep it. I would not pay an arm and a leg for the I card and not redeem it, but I think that I would if I found it in a pack, why not? It's a unique card..... Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J!m Hepworth Subject: Re: (trekchat) posting guidelines Date: 18 Jan 1998 20:44:03 -0700 At 06:43 PM 1/17/98 -0500, you wrote: >If I pulled the I card in a pack, I would keep it. I would not pay an >arm and a leg for the I card and not redeem it, but I think that I would >if I found it in a pack, why not? It's a unique card..... But is it going to be that much more unique than the "voided" one we get back? I can settle for a voided one and the 26 autos more than I could an unredeemed one. There's still only going to be 50 "I" cards out there right? And whether it has some hand written code on it or a void mark it's still going to be a very very rare card. -J!m Encore Consulting mailto:encore@xmission.com Authorized Fleer/Skybox Hobby Dealer -------==== Star Trek Related Maillists ====------- TrekTrade - Find others to Trade with or Buy and Sell your extra Star Trek items TrekChat - Ongoing discussion of collecting Star Trek memoribilia. You must be a member to post messages to a maillist. To subscribe mailto:majordomo@lists.xmission.com with "subscribe trektrade" and/or "subscribe trekchat" in the body without quotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Maiocco Subject: Re: (trekchat) posting guidelines Date: 19 Jan 1998 03:28:42 -0500 At 03:22 PM 1/17/98 -0700, you wrote: >At 08:50 AM 1/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >>Putting monetary issues aside though, doesn't a part of you feel an >>unredeemed i card is unique? Something you have that few people will?? Wait, I'm confused. How many "I" cards are being issued. Did I hear 50, total? If that's correct, then you have an EXTREMELY rare card, whether it's voided or not, so the only real issue, here, is do you want the complete autograph set or not, right? LLAP #567>>If there are self-made purgatories, then we all have to live in them. -- Spock, "This Side of Paradise," stardate 3417.7. #294>>Security, get that floozy off my bridge. =FE Picard #001>> "Kirk is alive. Deal with it." -- Vince Maiocco, Lt. jg/USS Thagard/NCC-652/Sciences/ visit my website =20 http://www.voicenet.com/~vmaiocco/ also visit my unofficial fan site (honest!) http://inet.net/~number6/vince.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Maiocco Subject: Re: (trekchat) posting guidelines Date: 19 Jan 1998 03:44:26 -0500 At 06:43 PM 1/17/98 -0500, Lynne wrote: >Vince Maiocco wrote: >>=20 >> I probably oughtta keep my mouth shut, since I'm not even collecting this >> set, but IMHO, anyone who collects Trek and is really into cards would be >> hard-pressed to avoid redeeming the "I" card. I mean, its' only 1 rare >> card, but redeeming it means 26 rare cards, right? And you then get a >> "cancelled" "I" card back, besides? Wow, is this a no-brainer. >> LLAP > > >OK, though I don't dispute the 'lack of brains' description on many >occassions, I still wonder if there is a'collectible' value to the I >card...not monetary, collectible.=20 >If I pulled the I card in a pack, I would keep it. I would not pay an >arm and a leg for the I card and not redeem it, but I think that I would >if I found it in a pack, why not? It's a unique card..... But redeemable for 26 cards that, as a set, as exactly as rare, no? Obviously, if you could get 2 "I" cards and redeen one of them... But, as I understand it, that's exceedingly unlikely. LLAP #567>>If there are self-made purgatories, then we all have to live in them. -- Spock, "This Side of Paradise," stardate 3417.7. #294>>Security, get that floozy off my bridge. =FE Picard #001>> "Kirk is alive. Deal with it." -- Vince Maiocco, Lt. jg/USS Thagard/NCC-652/Sciences/ visit my website =20 http://www.voicenet.com/~vmaiocco/ also visit my unofficial fan site (honest!) http://inet.net/~number6/vince.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Maiocco Subject: Re: (trekchat) posting guidelines Date: 19 Jan 1998 04:15:52 -0500 At 08:44 PM 1/18/98 -0700, Jim wrote: >But is it going to be that much more unique than the "voided" one we get >back? I can settle for a voided one and the 26 autos more than I could an >unredeemed one. There's still only going to be 50 "I" cards out there >right? And whether it has some hand written code on it or a void mark it's >still going to be a very very rare card. Not the way I see it. Let's say you hac 23 or so of the 26 autograph cards. Then you gert the "I" card. In most cases, wouldn't you still redeem it fora full set so you could sell the 23 singles to recoup some (maybe most) of the cost of all the boxes you had to buy to get 23 cards on your own? So... of the 50 "I" cards out there, how many do you think will go un-redeemed? Not bloody many! However, if 2 go unused, that still mean only 48 voided ones, so a voided one is still extremely rare!! LLAP #567>>If there are self-made purgatories, then we all have to live in them. -- Spock, "This Side of Paradise," stardate 3417.7. #294>>Security, get that floozy off my bridge. =FE Picard #001>> "Kirk is alive. Deal with it." -- Vince Maiocco, Lt. jg/USS Thagard/NCC-652/Sciences/ visit my website =20 http://www.voicenet.com/~vmaiocco/ also visit my unofficial fan site (honest!) http://inet.net/~number6/vince.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: Re: (trekchat) posting guidelines Date: 19 Jan 1998 09:26:44 -0500 J!m Hepworth wrote: > > At 06:43 PM 1/17/98 -0500, you wrote: > >If I pulled the I card in a pack, I would keep it. I would not pay an > >arm and a leg for the I card and not redeem it, but I think that I would > >if I found it in a pack, why not? It's a unique card..... > > But is it going to be that much more unique than the "voided" one we get > back? I can settle for a voided one and the 26 autos more than I could an > unredeemed one. There's still only going to be 50 "I" cards out there > right? And whether it has some hand written code on it or a void mark it's > still going to be a very very rare card. We are running under the presumption that there will only be 50 voided cards. What if they make more due to an outpouring of requests by people who want some sort od copy for their collection? Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: Re: (trekchat) posting guidelines Date: 19 Jan 1998 09:30:02 -0500 Vince Maiocco wrote: > > At 03:22 PM 1/17/98 -0700, you wrote: > >At 08:50 AM 1/16/98 -0500, you wrote: > >>Putting monetary issues aside though, doesn't a part of you feel an > >>unredeemed i card is unique? Something you have that few people will?? > > Wait, I'm confused. How many "I" cards are being issued. Did I hear 50, > total? If that's correct, then you have an EXTREMELY rare card, whether > it's voided or not, so the only real issue, here, is do you want the > complete autograph set or not, right? > LLAP > No, I want it all.....an I card unredeemd, an I card redeemed and the full autp set....but this is more pure speculation as I wouldn't keep the I card unless I pulled it, not if I had to buy it. Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J!m Hepworth Subject: Re: (trekchat) posting guidelines Date: 19 Jan 1998 10:47:26 -0700 At 09:26 AM 1/19/98 -0500, you wrote: >We are running under the presumption that there will only be 50 voided >cards. What if they make more due to an outpouring of requests by people >who want some sort od copy for their collection? SSSSSHHHHH.... Don't be giving the masses any ideas Lynne. -J!m Encore Consulting mailto:encore@xmission.com Authorized Fleer/Skybox Hobby Dealer -------==== Star Trek Related Maillists ====------- TrekTrade - Find others to Trade with or Buy and Sell your extra Star Trek items TrekChat - Ongoing discussion of collecting Star Trek memoribilia. You must be a member to post messages to a maillist. To subscribe mailto:majordomo@lists.xmission.com with "subscribe trektrade" and/or "subscribe trekchat" in the body without quotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J!m Hepworth Subject: Re: (trekchat) posting guidelines Date: 19 Jan 1998 10:52:53 -0700 At 09:30 AM 1/19/98 -0500, you wrote: >No, I want it all.....an I card unredeemd, an I card redeemed and the >full autp set....but this is more pure speculation as I wouldn't keep >the I card unless I pulled it, not if I had to buy it. We all want it ALL! But since that darn Ed McMahon still won't come visit my door I sometimes have to realize that keeping a single card that I can sell, or trade in and sell the 26 auto's, for between $1200-2000 is just not in my budget. -J!m Encore Consulting mailto:encore@xmission.com Authorized Fleer/Skybox Hobby Dealer -------==== Star Trek Related Maillists ====------- TrekTrade - Find others to Trade with or Buy and Sell your extra Star Trek items TrekChat - Ongoing discussion of collecting Star Trek memoribilia. You must be a member to post messages to a maillist. To subscribe mailto:majordomo@lists.xmission.com with "subscribe trektrade" and/or "subscribe trekchat" in the body without quotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: Re: (trekchat) posting guidelines Date: 19 Jan 1998 12:58:10 -0500 J!m Hepworth wrote: > > At 09:26 AM 1/19/98 -0500, you wrote: > >We are running under the presumption that there will only be 50 voided > >cards. What if they make more due to an outpouring of requests by people > >who want some sort od copy for their collection? > > SSSSSHHHHH.... Don't be giving the masses any ideas Lynne. :snicker: Well, speaking hypothetically, what would that do to the equation we have set up of keeping the I card??? Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! 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That may notmake any business sense, but I can't help my collector insanitys, I need Prozac, right?! Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: (trekchat) I am a dealeraholic Date: 19 Jan 1998 14:20:40 -0500 I stand before you a confessed dealer-aholic. I sell casrds for profit. I buy wholesale, sell retail. Sometimes I get 'perks'. :Insert gasp here: Episode 5, I got a set of holos... For the Phases I got a Skymotion card For TOS Anuals, I was mailed two common autos for each 20 box case and 1 for every 12 box case. I get sell sheets, I get promo cards. Like Sally Fields, I sffer from the 'want to be liked' syndrom, as a dealer, am I no longer allowed to be considered a collector?Is everything I do as a dealer suspect? I asked once before your opinions about dealers. Except for one person, who I have already heard from, and didn't get too much response back. CHAT! Tell me what you expect from you friendly neighboorhood dealer! Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J!m Hepworth Subject: Re: (trekchat) posting guidelines Date: 19 Jan 1998 16:10:10 -0700 At 12:58 PM 1/19/98 -0500, you wrote: >:snicker: Well, speaking hypothetically, what would that do to the >equation we have set up of keeping the I card??? Well, for me personally, as long as I have an "I" card I'll be happy. I don't see enough of a difference between them to need both unredeemed and voided. And if they produced an "I" card for the masses after the contest I'm sure the call for an unredeemed or voided "I" card would drop drastically as most people would be happy with a regular one. Heck, I'd even sell my 'void' one and just get a regular one myself if that happened. >Party pooper....;) he reality is none of us can pass up the redemption, >I just wondered what WOULD casue you to keep, like i said, I would if I >pulled it. That may notmake any business sense, but I can't help my >collector insanitys, I need Prozac, right?! I guess a "true" collector wouldn't trade it in for anything. So what does that make me? Level headed and budget wise? -- or -- Greedy? I'm tired of this discussion.... My "I" card is going in! Even if I won one of the contests and got another full set it would go in. I may be a little greedy, but I'll still have one of only 50 "I" cards and I'll be able to pay for this expensive set by selling off all the auto's I bought via boxes. -J!m Encore Consulting mailto:encore@xmission.com Authorized Fleer/Skybox Hobby Dealer -------==== Star Trek Related Maillists ====------- TrekTrade - Find others to Trade with or Buy and Sell your extra Star Trek items TrekChat - Ongoing discussion of collecting Star Trek memoribilia. You must be a member to post messages to a maillist. To subscribe mailto:majordomo@lists.xmission.com with "subscribe trektrade" and/or "subscribe trekchat" in the body without quotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: Re: (trekchat) posting guidelines Date: 19 Jan 1998 19:02:26 -0500 J!m Hepworth wrote: > > > I guess a "true" collector wouldn't trade it in for anything. So what does > that make me? Level headed and budget wise? -- or -- Greedy? > :snicker: Apparently, we haven't a 'true' (however that is defined) collector in the bunch, since all are turning in the I card. > I'm tired of this discussion.... My "I" card is going in! Even if I won > one of the contests and got another full set it would go in. I may be a > little greedy, but I'll still have one of only 50 "I" cards and I'll be > able to pay for this expensive set by selling off all the auto's I bought > via boxes. > OK! Start a new topic!!!! Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: walkwithwolf@webtv.net Subject: (trekchat) Friendly Neighborhood Dealer Date: 19 Jan 1998 21:02:42 -0500 Jan 19, 1988 Lynne wrote: Tell me what do you expect from your friendly neighborhood dealer. As a non dealer, just a plain old card collector, I want honesty, friendly conversation, respect. My expierence with dealers or people they hire I don't care what you want when i get ready to wait on you I feel like it. There is a friend of mine the conversation is over. I don't care if the other shops sell it for 5 dollars less that is my price. I don't have that set and I don't want to order it. Needless to say I never went back. The shop I trade at know me when I come in and he tells me right away if he has any of the cards I am intrested in. Sometimes it's over 2 month before i get around to going there but he always has a smile (works for me) and never makes me feel like I am imposing on him. Some times he gives me a single card free when when I buy something, I don't expect it but is always a suprise. I go past 2 of the other dealers on the way to see him. These are just my thoughts Lynne. Poor old card collector. Just an added note: I have read all the posts on the TOS. I'm glad you dealers can afford the sets because I don't think I will start this one. I can't afford it. Have fun Guys Walks With Wolf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Elden Wilson Subject: (trekchat) collecting opinions Date: 19 Jan 1998 21:24:33 -0500 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Monday, January 19, 1998 7:02 PM, Lynne Stewart [SMTP:lynne@jklm.net] wrote: > :snicker: Apparently, we haven't a 'true' (however that is defined) > collector in the bunch, since all are turning in the I card. Hey, I'm NOT turning in the I card (but I would if I had one). Seriously, it is the differences in what we consider more "collectable" that makes interacting more interesting. If we were all interested in EXACTLY the same things, then things could become more competitive and less friendly. - --Bob P.S. I changed the subject as this post has NOTHING to do with "posting guidelines." (^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^) ) Robert Elden Wilson, M.D., Ph.D. "Personal Brain ( ( -------------------------------- Care Specialist" ) ) Email: rewilson@ncinter.net ( ( FTP: ftp.ncinter.net/home/rewilson ) ) WWW: http://www.ncinter.net/~rewilson/ ( ( PGP Key: FTP, WWW, or finger -l rewilson@pepper.ncinter.net ) ) Address: Saint Vincent Health Center, Erie, PA 16544 ( (______________________________________________________________) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv Comment: Processed by PGPClick 3.0 iQCVAwUBNMQK3pekfJOFWb8JAQF4RwP+LAAtQsAEC7+qR0F2I/1MaoiqUNxw4dyO QIwEhY0V71UdQrsvOYN3hZBda6cJC0/roraR5eJa+LRHHBunvWK8FXojjP+bpPgl J1PH5C1t4aMs/lWNFeaHUqcs+iKGBzgC6V0uHuLp8ReLSMfChTNz4wbdWjj0uzEO yuh/2tYVpBI= =H8sp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: Re: (trekchat) collecting opinions Date: 19 Jan 1998 21:44:41 -0500 Robert Elden Wilson wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > On Monday, January 19, 1998 7:02 PM, Lynne Stewart [SMTP:lynne@jklm.net] > wrote: > > :snicker: Apparently, we haven't a 'true' (however that is defined) > > collector in the bunch, since all are turning in the I card. > Rereading this note I wrote aboe, I hope it didn't come across harsh.....I was mostly saying this part about 'true collectors' with tongue firmly impanted in cheek....... > Hey, I'm NOT turning in the I card (but I would if I had one). > > Seriously, it is the differences in what we consider more "collectable" > that makes interacting more interesting. If we were all interested in > EXACTLY the same things, then things could become more competitive and > less friendly. True, and I really do enjoy hearing what other people have to say. But, A new line of topic seems warrented...... Let's see......at what point did yo stop enjoying items you found with Trek on them and became a collector of things with Trek on them.... I was so boring and started with the Impel series in 1991. FInding the last common card i needed was my biggest obsession. I actually had a Starlog #1 that I cut up to make a collage out of, I throughly enjoyed my collage, though now all I do is look back and regret not keeping it in mint condition, thus having a valualbe collectible..... Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Jacob Subject: Re: (trekchat) Friendly Neighborhood Dealer Date: 20 Jan 1998 00:46:44 -0600 Lynne Stewart wrote: >CHAT! Tell me what you expect from you friendly neighboorhood dealer! walkwithwolf@webtv.net wrote: >Just an added note: I have read all the posts on the TOS. I'm glad you >dealers can afford the sets because I don't think I will start this >one. I can't afford it. I,m not a dealer, I,m a poor collector just like thousands of other people. I fix cars for a living. Oh Joy! What i expect and have experianced are the same things as the webtv guy. Before Barrington Square Cards closed there store front last april, i use to go there every week it seemed. On weekends i'd see the owner and say hello. He was a very nice guy. In particular there was this one guy "A Gunho Weekend warrior employie" that bent over backwards to get me what i wanted. A great conversationalist. Which in return made me feel good about the hobby i had disscovered. Also, With the introduction of the web things started to change. In My first year, (On AOL) it was a discovery of wonder. I would surf the news and make hundreds of purchases. I sold nothing. I never had the guts to post anything...I was a watcher. The second and third year, My Card collection grew in leap and bounds. Also with the advent of more availble information on star trek cards I ended up buying MORE! I then started a webpage revolving around my intrests. It was fun. I meet hundreds more people to trade buy and sell with. I also meet this women who wanted to start a e-mail news letter. It worked for a while and then it grew into the Amok Times Newsletter webpages which i enjoyed with great pride helping in the production of.. She became a skybox dealer with great enthosiam <-spellcheck) Her first purchase from skybox was season 5. She got 2 free holos in the case. When she told me about this we both said the same thing. "HOLY SHIT!" Being a dealer "is" a good thing. From the 25th anniversary till DS9 Profiles i was still felling really good about the hobby i got myself involved in. Then came TOS 1.... I,m very very discourged about the whole concept of this set. IT's Too DAMN expensive! Okay now, What i expect from "todays" star trek dealer is probibaly alot diffrent from what it would of been 2-3 years ago. Mostly because of the invention of the superhighway of information.. (Da Web) Today I expect full disclosure of the product. including info from promos, info sheets, what the dealer perks are and how can i get them, an honest opinion of the product, "friendly" conversation, And a respect that i am the guy with the money that you want in your pocket.. I expect the dealer to know Everything. Such as, The dealer should be able to tell me what i,m getting into before i dive into a particular "set". Is it going to cost me half a years pay to put together a compleate series??? I want dealers to use there experiance to tell me what to expect with a certin product. BTW, There are no "friendly" neighboorhood dealers in my local area. What dealers there are in my area are not interested in getting you what your looking for. There all grumpy, over priced scalpers and crooks. A reflection of the state of the hobby i suppose. Jeff -- _____..---======+*+=======--..___ ___________________ __,-='=====____ ============== ___===== (.__________________I__) - _-=_/ `'------=+=-------'` / /__...---==='---+---_' Capt. Jeffrey S Jacob '----'---.___ - _ = _.-' Capcom@aol.com -------' capcom@super-highway.net http://www.super-highway.net/users/capcom/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Jacob Subject: Re: (trekchat) I am a dealeraholic Date: 20 Jan 1998 01:40:42 -0600 Lynne Stewart wrote: > Like Sally Fields, I sffer from the 'want to be liked' syndrom, as a > dealer, am I no longer allowed to be considered a collector?Is > everything I do as a dealer suspect? Oh, Before i forget. I once had a dealer tell me Quote: " Part of the reason I became a dealer was to avoid being a collector" This statement Obviously has some merit to it. A disconection between dealer and collector?? i suppose so.. Thou I dont think i,m qualified to fully comment on it as i have never been but in the dealers shoes so to speek.. Ansari, J!m, Bob, Vince, webtv guy, Mark, Curtis, Lynne, Chris, Other. It's your turn to CHAT! Jeff -- _____..---======+*+=======--..___ ___________________ __,-='=====____ ============== ___===== (.__________________I__) - _-=_/ `'------=+=-------'` / /__...---==='---+---_' Capt. Jeffrey S Jacob '----'---.___ - _ = _.-' Capcom@aol.com -------' capcom@super-highway.net http://www.super-highway.net/users/capcom/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Jacob Subject: Re: (trekchat) Skybox gripes & comments... Date: 20 Jan 1998 01:47:19 -0600 Hey, Are all my messages making it to the group? Or are they so great that no one dare comment? 8-O Jeff -- _____..---======+*+=======--..___ ___________________ __,-='=====____ ============== ___===== (.__________________I__) - _-=_/ `'------=+=-------'` / /__...---==='---+---_' Capt. Jeffrey S Jacob '----'---.___ - _ = _.-' Capcom@aol.com -------' capcom@super-highway.net http://www.super-highway.net/users/capcom/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMM@smp.sunquest.com Subject: (trekchat) anita K mail me Date: 20 Jan 1998 6:14:16 -0700 Anita K...looking for a torres... email me... I no longer have your address. Chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: Re: (trekchat) I am a dealeraholic Date: 20 Jan 1998 09:28:02 -0500 Jeff Jacob wrote: > > Lynne Stewart wrote: > > Like Sally Fields, I sffer from the 'want to be liked' syndrom, as a > > dealer, am I no longer allowed to be considered a collector?Is > > everything I do as a dealer suspect? > > Oh, Before i forget. I once had a dealer tell me Quote: > " Part of the reason I became a dealer was to avoid being a collector" > This statement Obviously has some merit to it. A disconection between > dealer and collector?? i suppose so.. Thou I dont think i,m qualified to > fully comment on it as i have never been but in the dealers shoes so to > speek.. > I have been told you sholdn't deal in the thing you collect, James and i thought he was being silly at the time, I figure most of it's cause anything good that comes in the store goes right into the dealers personal collection so he can't make any money that way...:shrug: I don't see where a person who is a dealer has to be suddenly less credible as a collector, but... Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: trosby_at_nmdp-cc02@smtpgwy.nmdp.org Subject: Re: (trekchat) I am a dealeraholic Date: 20 Jan 1998 08:52:38 -0600 I usually sit in the background and watch as the chatting goes on, but I have to respond to this one... I don't know how anyone could even begin to complain about anything about Lynne. There is nothing that you could say about her that would be negative. She is a fountain of information about upcoming products, rarities, odds, promos, etc. What she sells, she sell for much less than retail (if I bought boxes locally instead of from her, I'd be paying at least $20 more per box). She's always willing to trade, often not in her favor. She's gone out of her way to do or get things for me that no ordinary "dealer" would have ever done. She's put many, many hours into the auction, and into the Amok Times, both of which benefit all of us and our (expensive, obsessive) habit(s). She's a sweetheart, and I don't know what my habit and I would do without her. So what if she makes a little money off of us? So what if she gets a few perks for being a dealer? Can you imagine how much work it is to receive, repackage and mail out hundreds of boxes of cards? She's doing a job, performing a service for anyone who orders from her. Like I said above, her prices are the cheapest around, anyway. If anyone doesn't want to order from her, they don't have to. If anyone is so jealous of her perks, they could become a dealer themselves. If anyone is upset about any particularly nasty-to-complete TOS set, they should take it out on Skybox not on dealers. Stepping off my soapbox for now, Trent Rosby trosby@nmdp.org ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Author: at INTERNET I stand before you a confessed dealer-aholic. I sell casrds for profit. I buy wholesale, sell retail. Sometimes I get 'perks'. :Insert gasp here: Episode 5, I got a set of holos... For the Phases I got a Skymotion card For TOS Anuals, I was mailed two common autos for each 20 box case and 1 for every 12 box case. I get sell sheets, I get promo cards. Like Sally Fields, I sffer from the 'want to be liked' syndrom, as a dealer, am I no longer allowed to be considered a collector?Is everything I do as a dealer suspect? I asked once before your opinions about dealers. Except for one person, who I have already heard from, and didn't get too much response back. CHAT! Tell me what you expect from you friendly neighboorhood dealer! Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C. Curtis Engel" Subject: (trekchat) TOS... Date: 20 Jan 1998 06:43:13 -0800 (PST) >Just an added note: I have read all the posts on the TOS. I'm glad you >dealers can afford the sets because I don't think I will start this one. >I can't afford it. >Have fun Guys > >Walks With Wolf I ranted a bit about the TOS set last week, but I was able to pick up a couple of boxes for $65 each, and I'm starting to like them, although it's still frustrating that I'll never be able to complete the darn set. I just wish I had the money back when they were around $50-$55. C. Curtis Engel http://www.open.org/curtis/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: Re: (trekchat) Friendly Neighborhood Dealer Date: 20 Jan 1998 14:01:34 -0500 > Okay now, What i expect from "todays" star trek dealer is probibaly alot > diffrent from what it would of been 2-3 years ago. Mostly because of the > invention of the superhighway of information.. (Da Web) > Today I expect full disclosure of the product. including info from > promos, info sheets, what the dealer perks are and how can i get them, Here is the problem, Jeff, you can get dealer perks by being a dealer......otherwise the decisoin of what gets done with them is mine, my customers can choose whether to accept that and go elsewhere if so inclined, but a certain degree of ownership does remain with the dealer. And what about dealer negatives, if you are interested in the sahring of the perks, will you share the negatives, when a $350 shipment in lost and must be repiad, will you split the costs with me? When checks bounce or people don't pay, leaving me with the product I purchased for them, will you share that burdeon, too. > an honest opinion of the product, "friendly" conversation, And a respect > that i am the guy with the money that you want in your pocket.. And none of that is a problem for me, I don't have a problem with full disclousre, to a degree, I don't think I should have to tell you what MY costs are or what I make on a certain deal, I might, but I don't have to, do I? > I expect the dealer to know Everything. Such as, The dealer should be > able to tell me what i,m getting into before i dive into a particular > "set". Is it going to cost me half a years pay to put together a > compleate series??? I want dealers to use there experiance to tell me > what to expect with a certin product. Part of that is too speculative, J!m andI are both dealers, neither of us particularly stupid, but we had opposite opinion on TOS, I did not view it as having investment potentioal, he did. I thought inserts would prove valueless but the gold plaques and such haven't done so bad. I wouldnt have suggested getting boxes as an investment and I was wrong, but it was an honest mistake, will the assumption be I as a dealer turned you away from TOS to hoarde all the profits myself? ir am I allowed to be reallly wrong once in awhile? > BTW, There are no "friendly" neighboorhood dealers in my local area. > What dealers there are in my area are not interested in getting you what > your looking for. There all grumpy, over priced scalpers and crooks. A > reflection of the state of the hobby i suppose. > I realize you are speaking of your local neighboorhood, but in case anyone is einclined to generalize: I accept that *I* might be grumpy lately, but I do not view myself as a scalper, or a crook and if being a dealer is going to make me seen by the majority of people in that light, then being a dealer isn't worth it. I have come across terribly petulant and whiney today and yesterday and I appologize, watching the newsgroups argue over the pricing of TOS and other things has gotten under my skin. I am desperately in love with trek card collecting, I adore finding information and deals and I esp enjoy putting people and their needs together with solutions. I have had the BEST time getting to know the people I have met over the last few years. SOmetimes i am too busy and dsitracted to give individual people the attention I would like to give them, but I am grateful for their friendship nonetheless. If I can do some things in a manner that better suits my customers, that is way cool to me, but I am not interested in losing the status of being a die-hard collector, that after all is where the fun is. I remain interested in your thoughts, may i suggest you email me so we can let the chat group return to less volitile and more fun issues. Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kirk and Jen Murray" Subject: Re: (trekchat) Friendly Neighborhood Dealer Date: 20 Jan 1998 14:31:07 -0500 I usually don't post here either, I just read. However, I agree with trosby... I don't like to see Lynne getting slammed either. I know of a particular incident that see has had to foot the bill on (Wisconsin Lottery tix), and I know that she has gone out of her way to see that everyone that ordered from her is getting the best deal. In my opinion, that is going WAY ABOVE AND BEYOND the call of duty. I personally think that she is one of the most reputable dealers around (on the net or otherwise). The only card shop that even carries ST starts all of their ST boxes around $70. That is $20 more than Lynne's price was!!! Anyway, I personally think that she is entitled to any dealer perk that she gets (not to say that I am not slightly envious though :-). If she chooses to sell that item, or just keep it for herself is entirely up to her. I don't think that she has to tell us her business secrets (her price, perks, etc.) She has the most info around, and I enjoy looking through her pages. I would just like to say, keep it up Lynne. These posts have gone a little far, and like Lynne said "Let's change the subject" Jen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: (trekchat) New subject!! Date: 20 Jan 1998 15:37:45 -0500 One of my custoemrs just told me she pulled an I car dout of one of the boxes I sold hr...do I have to sell to her in the future or can I sulk and blacklist her forever...;) I tried to blacklist the guy who pulled the Data autogrpah out of a box I sold him... I HELD AN I CARD BOX IN MY HANDS AND DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT, can you imagine, shouldnt it have jolted me with a little elctrical shock or somrthing???? Sorry, Robert, that was supposed to be your box, wasn't it? ;) Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: (trekchat) OOps...hehehee Date: 20 Jan 1998 15:49:01 -0500 I guess I brought up the I card, again, so I didn't really change the subject all that very much, did I????!!!! SOmeone asked me about the rules for the contest for Communicator.... I saw no disclaimers on who could enter and who couldnt' just send in all correct answers and get entered for a drawing for the prize.... 1. What was the name of the last survivor of the Kaladan Outpost? Losira 2. In which episode did Spock claim to have used the Vulcan death grip? The Enterprise Incident 3. What was the name of the ship in which Vina and her crew mates crash landed on Talos IV? SS Columbia 4. Which profession was Sulu initially assigned aboard the USS Enterprise? physicist 5. Ambassador Gav, in the episode "Journey to Babel" represented which race at the Babel conference? Tellarites Right???? Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Elden Wilson Subject: RE: (trekchat) New subject!! Date: 20 Jan 1998 17:31:32 -0500 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Tuesday, January 20, 1998 3:38 PM, Lynne Stewart [SMTP:lynne@jklm.net] wrote: > One of my custoemrs just told me she pulled an I car dout of one of > the > boxes I sold hr...do I have to sell to her in the future or can I sulk > and blacklist her forever...;) > I tried to blacklist the guy who pulled the Data autogrpah out of a > box > I sold him... > I HELD AN I CARD BOX IN MY HANDS AND DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT, can you > imagine, shouldnt it have jolted me with a little elctrical shock or > somrthing???? > Sorry, Robert, that was supposed to be your box, wasn't it? ;) > Lynne I'll forgive you this time--just don't let it happen again! :-) I've been reading others comments, and it seems like we are debating what we want out of (or think of) Lynne. However, if I remember her question properly, she was asking a more general question: What we want out of a dealer (not just one specific dealer). I've been fortunate. I found a dealer here who did respect me and would keep his eyes open for things I might like. He charged more than Lynne, but was way below the excessive prices many others were charging. He was NOT a Star Trek collector, and he would sell to me his perks--sometimes even giving them to me (I got the Phase one registry plaque promo sheet from him for $5--but then, now I'm bragging). I enjoyed giving him my business. He was helping me with my collection and I helped him stay in business. In that way, we both HELPED each other. He eventually did sell the store to someone else--but fortunately, the new buyer was already an even better friend of mine! There are other dealers in town. They clearly try to get the most they can from me. They may look for a card, but seemed to do little to encourage loyalty. I haven't even been in their stores for a couple of years now. - --Bob (^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^) ) Robert Elden Wilson, M.D., Ph.D. "Personal Brain ( ( -------------------------------- Care Specialist" ) ) Email: rewilson@ncinter.net ( ( FTP: ftp.ncinter.net/home/rewilson ) ) WWW: http://www.ncinter.net/~rewilson/ ( ( PGP Key: FTP, WWW, or finger -l rewilson@pepper.ncinter.net ) ) Address: Saint Vincent Health Center, Erie, PA 16544 ( (______________________________________________________________) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv Comment: Processed by PGPClick 3.0 iQCVAwUBNMUlwpekfJOFWb8JAQGdyQP/S1Y0fsMqM1EY7xUZEUJRon0xaE0o14c0 AeXz4Z2FDY7I+a2np6LTGHuB9JerVPAf8nwfrnDjTMZp04G850ezaQSeUDdOusHy nYx7H3Pp3O7MPOht3ARkaNawVrPi26vWXPY4zE2XSSMSuOPyBYet9LDGRjcM3PYX W5fAStAwww4= =YGLM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Maiocco Subject: Re: (trekchat) Skybox gripes & comments... Date: 21 Jan 1998 04:12:10 -0500 At 01:47 AM 1/20/98 -0600, you wrote: >Hey, >Are all my messages making it to the group? Or are they so great that >no one dare comment? 8-O That first question is, of course, impossible to answer. I only know about the messages I see. The second question is easier; Your little history lesson was the best written thing I've ever seen you do. Except for a few spelling errors, I would have thought a professional novelist had done it. It was colorfully descriptive, make me feel your feelings (I cxould actually see you and Lynn saying, "Holy Shit!") and told me a lot I didn't know. BTW, we have the same "neighborhood dealers" you do. One of the nicest things about the Internet is that I now can do business with people like you and Lynn (when she gets the time to follow thru on our little side-trades). Oh, sure, I ocassionally run into jerks, crooks and wise guys, but they burn me once and I never talk to them again. All in all, I wouldn't change my move to the WWW one bit. LLAP PS: I'm not going for the TOS set, either; just a few of the autograph cards. I had decided to stop collecting cards about 6 Trek sets ago but caved on things like the 30th Ann set. This TOS set made it easy to stick to my guns and will probably see the end of my card collecting (except to get the few holos I need to finish other sets). I've seen a number of Trek licensees get greedy over the years and, with the exception of Playmates, they're all either out of business or no longer producing anything with the Trek name on it. So... maybe Skybox is on its way out, too. #567>>If there are self-made purgatories, then we all have to live in them. -- Spock, "This Side of Paradise," stardate 3417.7. #294>>Security, get that floozy off my bridge. =FE Picard #001>> "Kirk is alive. Deal with it." -- Vince Maiocco, Lt. jg/USS Thagard/NCC-652/Sciences/ visit my website =20 http://www.voicenet.com/~vmaiocco/ also visit my unofficial fan site (honest!) http://inet.net/~number6/vince.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J!m Hepworth Subject: (trekchat) Multiple email addresses. Date: 21 Jan 1998 10:07:49 -0700 Hello, If you use more than one e-mail address please read this. TrekTrade & TrekChat are currently configured so that only members of the list can post messages. This feature is used to keep the list from being spammed to by anyone who feels like it. However, I have come across one instance where is it can cause a problem for a few members with multiple email accounts. A good example of this would be if you had a personal account and an account at work. If you had subscribed your personal account then you would not be able to post messages from your business account. That is, unless you subscribed them both, but then you end up getting multiple copies of all messages to go out. As of today, if you have need to post from multiple email address, but only wish to recieve the list postings at one address you may contact me with the following info and I will get it set-up for you. Name: e-mail to receive postings: Requested email(s) to post only: Reason for multiple posting accounts: home/business, family accounts, other -J!m Encore Consulting mailto:encore@xmission.com Authorized Fleer/Skybox Hobby Dealer -------==== Star Trek Related Maillists ====------- TrekTrade - Find others to Trade with or Buy and Sell your extra Star Trek items TrekChat - Ongoing discussion of collecting Star Trek memoribilia. You must be a member to post messages to a maillist. To subscribe mailto:majordomo@lists.xmission.com with "subscribe trektrade" and/or "subscribe trekchat" in the body without quotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Maiocco Subject: Re: (trekchat) I am a dealeraholic Date: 21 Jan 1998 05:40:23 -0500 At 08:52 AM 1/20/98 -0600, you wrote: > > I usually sit in the background and watch as the chatting goes on, but= =20 > I have to respond to this one... > =20 > I don't know how anyone could even begin to complain about anything=20 > about Lynne. There is nothing that you could say about her that would= =20 > be negative. She COULD spend a little more time checking my WWW site to see if there's anything she wants to trade for! > She's a sweetheart,=20 > and I don't know what my habit and I would do without her. Have to agree with that. LLAP #567>>If there are self-made purgatories, then we all have to live in them. -- Spock, "This Side of Paradise," stardate 3417.7. #294>>Security, get that floozy off my bridge. =FE Picard #001>> "Kirk is alive. Deal with it." -- Vince Maiocco, Lt. jg/USS Thagard/NCC-652/Sciences/ visit my website =20 http://www.voicenet.com/~vmaiocco/ also visit my unofficial fan site (honest!) http://inet.net/~number6/vince.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Maiocco Subject: Re: (trekchat) Friendly Neighborhood Dealer Date: 21 Jan 1998 05:56:45 -0500 At 02:01 PM 1/20/98 -0500, you wrote: >my customers can choose whether to accept that and go elsewhere if so >inclined,=20 Absolutely true. >but a certain degree of ownership does remain with the dealer.=20 I don't understand the above sentence. >And what about dealer negatives, if you are interested in the sharing of >the perks, will you share the negatives, when a $350 shipment in lost >and must be repiad, will you split the costs with me? When checks bounce >or people don't pay, leaving me with the product I purchased for them, >will you share that burdeon, too.=20 Well, technically, te customer shares all losses wit a seller, in the form of higher prices next time. If Sears loses a shipment of toasters off the coast of NY this year, I will wind up helping them pay it off by having to pay more for anyting I buy from them until they've paid for all of it., Otherwise, they'd be forced to go out of business. This is why there's absolutely no such thing as "Free" in the business world. The word should be "included" but they say "Free" because we wanna believe we're getting something for nothing. I'm not referring to you, Lynne, because I believe you don't keep strict businerss records. If you take a loss, you cover it with "outside money". A corporation can't do that. >I don't have a problem with full disclousre, to a degree, Hehe, HUH? How can it be "full" if it's only "to a degree"? >am I allowed to be reallly wrong once in awhile? Oh, well, I guess... if I can do it, I guess I hafta let you, too. LLAP #567>>If there are self-made purgatories, then we all have to live in them. -- Spock, "This Side of Paradise," stardate 3417.7. #294>>Security, get that floozy off my bridge. =FE Picard #001>> "Kirk is alive. Deal with it." -- Vince Maiocco, Lt. jg/USS Thagard/NCC-652/Sciences/ visit my website =20 http://www.voicenet.com/~vmaiocco/ also visit my unofficial fan site (honest!) http://inet.net/~number6/vince.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Maiocco Subject: Re: (trekchat) OOps...hehehee Date: 21 Jan 1998 06:01:18 -0500 At 03:49 PM 1/20/98 -0500, you wrote: >4. Which profession was Sulu initially assigned aboard the >USS Enterprise? physicist I haven't gotten around to mailing off, yet, but wasn't Sulu a botanist, originally? Remember the plant he was chatting to Rand about in (I think) Charlie X? LLAP PS: haven't looked anything up, I'm currently going from memory, which, in turn, is going. #567>>If there are self-made purgatories, then we all have to live in them. -- Spock, "This Side of Paradise," stardate 3417.7. #294>>Security, get that floozy off my bridge. =FE Picard #001>> "Kirk is alive. Deal with it." -- Vince Maiocco, Lt. jg/USS Thagard/NCC-652/Sciences/ visit my website =20 http://www.voicenet.com/~vmaiocco/ also visit my unofficial fan site (honest!) http://inet.net/~number6/vince.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Jacob Subject: Re: (trekchat) Friendly Neighborhood Dealer Date: 22 Jan 1998 02:21:33 -0600 Vince Maiocco wrote: >something for nothing. I'm not referring to you, Lynne, because I >believe you don't keep strict businerss records. If you take a loss, >you cover it with "outside money". A corporation can't do that. Hmm.. There's 2 or three ways i can go here.... One things for sure. I agree with vince. A business has to raise there prices to cover losses, Weather it be by lost product, Dissapearing product going out the back door, or even perhaps a defective product that comes back. In the business im involved in all of our Moog and TRW parts come with a lifetime warrenty. (Who's life time? were still figureing that out ;) ) When a custumer comes back on a worn part that we installed, we have to replace it for "FREE". You can do this once and still be in the profit zone so to speek. Why? Because we charged List price on that part when we first sold it to them. The actual cost (What we spent on the part) Is usually 30-50% less than list price. Most bussineess make there money on the odds that that part isnt going to wear out in the lifetime of which that person ownes the car. The "outside money" is the profit money. So, When lynne says: >And what about dealer negatives, if you are interested in the sharing of >the perks, will you share the negatives, when a $350 shipment in lost >and must be repiad, will you split the costs with me? Basicly you have to eat it. That's what we call it in the automotive industry. The "costs" should be covered in the money you allready made on previous sales. Sadly this is part of being in business. Most of my "outside money" To support "the habit" Comes from working side jobs. I dont have to split the money with anyone, It's all mine. No overhead. (big smile) But, Right now. I NEED a sidejob. :| Jeff -- _____..---======+*+=======--..___ ___________________ __,-='=====____ ============== ___===== (.__________________I__) - _-=_/ `'------=+=-------'` / /__...---==='---+---_' Capt. Jeffrey S Jacob '----'---.___ - _ = _.-' Capcom@aol.com -------' capcom@super-highway.net http://www.super-highway.net/users/capcom/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: Re: (trekchat) OOps...hehehee Date: 22 Jan 1998 10:18:17 -0500 Vince Maiocco wrote: > > At 03:49 PM 1/20/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >4. Which profession was Sulu initially assigned aboard the > >USS Enterprise? physicist > > I haven't gotten around to mailing off, yet, but wasn't Sulu a botanist, > originally? Remember the plant he was chatting to Rand about in (I think) > Charlie X? > LLAP > PS: haven't looked anything up, I'm currently going from memory, which, in > turn, is going. What was he in Where no man has gone before? He was standing there with allthe scientists on the bridge.... Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: Re: (trekchat) Friendly Neighborhood Dealer Date: 22 Jan 1998 10:32:53 -0500 Jeff Jacob wrote: > > Vince Maiocco wrote: > >something for nothing. I'm not referring to you, Lynne, because I >believe you don't keep strict businerss records. If you take a loss, >you cover it with "outside money". A corporation can't do that. > > Hmm.. There's 2 or three ways i can go here.... > One things for sure. I agree with vince. A business has to raise there > prices to cover losses, Weather it be by lost product, Dissapearing > product going out the back door, or even perhaps a defective product > that comes back. > In the business im involved in all of our Moog and TRW parts come with a > lifetime warrenty. (Who's life time? were still figureing that out ;) ) > When a custumer comes back on a worn part that we installed, we have to > replace it for "FREE". You can do this once and still be in the profit > zone so to speek. Why? Because we charged List price on that part when > we first sold it to them. The actual cost (What we spent on the part) Is > usually 30-50% less than list price. Most bussineess make there money on > the odds that that part isnt going to wear out in the lifetime of which > that person ownes the car. The "outside money" is the profit money. > > So, When lynne says: > >And what about dealer negatives, if you are interested in the sharing of > >the perks, will you share the negatives, when a $350 shipment in lost > >and must be repiad, will you split the costs with me? > > Basicly you have to eat it. That's what we call it in the automotive > industry. The "costs" should be covered in the money you allready made > on previous sales. Sadly this is part of being in business. > I hate to say that, but my markup on boxes is close to 10%, sometimes LESS, First COntact was a whole $2-$3 a box, doesn't lend itself to covering costs and with the competition being as strng as it is, that's the best one can do with their box prices. The Internet has really changed the way of the world! I used to have one choice for my collectible needs..wait 3-4 weeks after the release date in hopes my comic book shop would get a box....paying full retail prices....the Internet has given us choices, lots of choices, which is great, collectos can only benefit. I wouldn't have it any other way, but it makes it hard to recoup yourself from a big loss. THe thing I like the best about the nets, is the opportunity to get foreign, overseas issues, this is my favorite collectible and it has become much easier to pull off collecting this type of thing. I was able to get a complet Topps AB and C set from 1968 in wonderful condition for $300. Incredible, cause I was able to go directly to an English shop and get it myself...it is awesome, I think. I have German, Australian video cards...,food promotionals, etc and suddenly, just a few dealers no longer can corner the foreign collectible marktet and charge high high prices and that is too cool. My $350 potential loss finally made it to it's destination, btw...YEAh! Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J!m Hepworth Subject: Re: (trekchat) OOps...hehehee Date: 22 Jan 1998 11:12:09 -0700 At 06:01 AM 1/21/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 03:49 PM 1/20/98 -0500, you wrote: > >>4. Which profession was Sulu initially assigned aboard the >>USS Enterprise? physicist > >I haven't gotten around to mailing off, yet, but wasn't Sulu a botanist, >originally? Remember the plant he was chatting to Rand about in (I think) >Charlie X? I just checked my ST Encyclopedia. Says he was initially assigned as a physicist "Where no man has gone before" and then transfered to the helm in "The corbomite Maneuver". It mentions one of his hobbies was botany as well as fencing and old hand guns. -J!m Encore Consulting mailto:encore@xmission.com Authorized Fleer/Skybox Hobby Dealer -------==== Star Trek Related Maillists ====------- TrekTrade - Find others to Trade with or Buy and Sell your extra Star Trek items TrekChat - Ongoing discussion of collecting Star Trek memoribilia. You must be a member to post messages to a maillist. To subscribe mailto:majordomo@lists.xmission.com with "subscribe trektrade" and/or "subscribe trekchat" in the body without quotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J!m Hepworth Subject: Re: (trekchat) Friendly Neighborhood Dealer Date: 22 Jan 1998 11:50:07 -0700 >>And what about dealer negatives, if you are interested in the sharing of >>the perks, will you share the negatives, when a $350 shipment in lost >>and must be repiad, will you split the costs with me? When checks bounce >>or people don't pay, leaving me with the product I purchased for them, >>will you share that burdeon, too. > >Well, technically, te customer shares all losses wit a seller, in the form >of higher prices next time. If Sears loses a shipment of toasters off the >coast of NY this year, I will wind up helping them pay it off by having to >pay more for anyting I buy from them until they've paid for all of it., >Otherwise, they'd be forced to go out of business. This is why there's But if Sears raises thier toaster prices to cover the loss, then I'm going to take my business next door to K-mart where they are cheaper. Sears knows this and so they would probably adjust thier prices across all areas just a tiny bit to cover things like this. Lynne and I don't have that luxury as our product line is limited. Here's a better example of a loss Lynne and I see. Pricing used is pretty close to actual, just rounded for simplicity. I don't know what all you think we make on a box, but it's probably going to surprise you how little our markup is. Our cost is based upon the case size we buy, not the qty. If we wanted 60 boxes and ordered (10) 6/box cases we would be paying alot more than if we bought (3) 20/box cases. Let's say a new set comes out (based on TOS) Suggested Retail is 1.99/pack or $72/box. Dealers would typically sell these for full SRP, or maybe a little less. That's $20 more than Lynne and I sell for which would probably be $50/box. cost 6 box case $48/box cost 12 box case $47/box (with 1 dealer incentives) cost 20 box case $46/box (with 2 dealer incentives) So if we pre-sell at $50/box then 6 boxes make a whopping $12 net, 12 boxes nets $36, and 20 boxes nets $80. And remember that these nets will go down when you figure that we usually give price breaks to higher qty purchases. Personally I've never made more than $40-50 on a fully sold case. And what if we don't get pre-orders to make a case? Say 15 boxes? Do we turn 3 customers away possibly loosing future business? Do we order a 12 & 6 case with 3 more than needed and lower profit? Do we order a 20 box case with 5 more hoping to sell them? If we do over-order, so we can supply all customers needs, and then can't sell the extra boxes right away we are left either holding a box or having to sell it 6 months later at $20 below our cost. Just one or two extra boxes sold below cost can take away all our profit. But hold it! We're still forgetting about all the other "costs" associated with being a dealer. 1. Shipping boxes, packing tape, peanuts, labels. 2. Time spent reboxing and delivering to post office. 3. Time spent advertising, answering questions, taking orders, following up on orders. 4. Time/money spent on lost packages. 5. Internet costs (web storage, access fees, etc) 6. Yearly business license 7. More forms at tax time. 8. Possible interest on loans to purchase product prior to payment made. By the time you take into consideration all actual costs associated with a single release, you can figure that Lynne and I are making maybe $1/hr (probably high) for our time. In other words, we're not really into this for the money. We do it because we enjoy it "and" because we get a little perk every once in awhile, like the incentive autograph cards. In the past I know both Lynne and I have given out case toppers to those who purchased qty. If there were 3 case toppers, then anyone purchase 1/3rd of a case (7boxes) would have been sent one, 2/3rd's of a case got two and a full case got them all. We also give discounts to qty purchases so thier getting a double discount. I've dealt with 4 national distributors and none of them passed along freebee's, even when I demanded it. I can see where the incentive autograph cards should have been disclosed for the reason of knowing how many were released into the market, but I don't see where we as dealers should be "expected" to sell boxes at almost cost and then freely pass on our incentives from the manufacturer when that's where we are able to recoup some of our profit. And up to now, alot of releases haven't had any type of incentive given out. All I'm saying here is that Lynne and I work, and I mean "WORK", for you the customer for almost free and we save you roughly $20/box over your local dealer. I don't see where anyone could complain if we happen to get a couple freebees from skybox and decide to keep them or sell them to help cover our time or other costs. If anyone feels we are being unfair, then I would suggest they take the hours and hours, pay the fees and try and get setup as a authorized dealer themselves so they can get the perks. I've seen many many people start to sell boxes on the net, but most quit after 1 or 2 releases because they find out just how much work it is and how little they get. Lynne and I are still doing it after years (4+ for me, 2-3 for Lynne) because we enjoy it. We can wish that dealing would pay for our collecting hobby, but only in our dreams. So, you have the choice of buying from a local dealer at full retail, each release from a different fly-by-night internet dealer who come and go every release, or from someone who will support you with good prices, has been around for a long time, gives out promo's to customers, offers other special incentives to repeat customers and is a collector at heart (yep, me and Lynne). Whew , finally got my side of the coin explained. Time for a nap! -J!m Encore Consulting mailto:encore@xmission.com Authorized Fleer/Skybox Hobby Dealer -------==== Star Trek Related Maillists ====------- TrekTrade - Find others to Trade with or Buy and Sell your extra Star Trek items TrekChat - Ongoing discussion of collecting Star Trek memoribilia. You must be a member to post messages to a maillist. To subscribe mailto:majordomo@lists.xmission.com with "subscribe trektrade" and/or "subscribe trekchat" in the body without quotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Maiocco Subject: Re: (trekchat) OOps...hehehee Date: 24 Jan 1998 03:27:11 -0500 At 10:18 AM 1/22/98 -0500, you wrote: >Vince Maiocco wrote: >>=20 >> At 03:49 PM 1/20/98 -0500, you wrote: >> >4. Which profession was Sulu initially assigned aboard the >> >USS Enterprise? physicist >> wasn't Sulu a botanist, originally?=20 >What was he in Where no man has gone before? He was standing there with >allthe scientists on the bridge.... Oooh, Goodie! You've just given me an excuse to sit down and watch 2, count 'em, TWO TOS episodes. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you! And I will do that as soon as I get back from visiting with Leonard Nimoy this afternoon. He's doing a book signing nearby at 2:00 pm, so, naturally, a small group of us are arriving at 7:30 am to be at the head of the line. The plan is to have him find out how early we were, so when we ask him to pose for a photo, he'll feel too guilty to say "No". LLAP #567>>If there are self-made purgatories, then we all have to live in them. -- Spock, "This Side of Paradise," stardate 3417.7. #294>>Security, get that floozy off my bridge. =FE Picard #001>> "Kirk is alive. Deal with it." -- Vince Maiocco, Lt. jg/USS Thagard/NCC-652/Sciences/ visit my website =20 http://www.voicenet.com/~vmaiocco/ also visit my unofficial fan site (honest!) http://inet.net/~number6/vince.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Maiocco Subject: Re: (trekchat) Friendly Neighborhood Dealer Date: 24 Jan 1998 04:50:09 -0500 I think I need to clarify a comment I made. We were talking about covering losses and Lynne asked (hypothetically) if we were willing to share her losses, since someone implied that we should share her little bonuses as a dealer. I then made reference to how "in a traditional business ventue", the customer ALWAYS shares in the company's losses... or tat company eventually goes out of business. In that little illustration, I made reference to Lyne being a "non-traditional" business person oin that I expected se would use "outside money" to cover a loss. What I meant was, being being a responsible individual, if she had a loss, Lynne wouldn't hesitate to use money earned thru her job, or James' job, to pay the debt. She would not raise prices to us. This would make it appear that no one (neither KLM or its customers) was hurt except, obviously, Lynne and James' bank account. I think my use of the term "outside money" - a terrible choice of words, now that I look at it - might have been misunderstood. OK, so why did I go into all of that? esides clearing up a possible misunderstanding, I wanted to make the point that we, as Lynne's (and Jeff's)customers., might want to look at some alternative ways of doing this "card collecting hobby" thing. Now, this is just an idea for discussion, no one should feel threatened or wory about being bulldozed into anything, OK? Suppose we were to consider forming a sort of "collectors' collective" (Ooh, I like the way that sounds, not to mention the "Borg" reference) where Jeff/Lynne simply function as the group's representatives. Each time a new set comes out, we have Jeff/Lynne (who present themselves to the seller/manufacturer as two separate, independent dealer/collectors) go to work getting the best deal they can - based on the total number of cases/boxes/sets we want, in total (obviously, I'm just spit-balling, here, so you all have to help refine this as we discuss/analyse/trash it - but, hey! Am I getting a lot of slashes into this message, or what?) Additionally, Jeff/Lynn will still get whatever extra cards (at their own cost) they want for selling to "true customers" and they would also be the sole decision-makers of what to do with the dealer perks (this is, after all, their due, since they're doing all the work). The members of the collective (including Jeff/Lynn) would proportionally share all costs, depending on what portion of the order they were responsible for. In case that's not clear: Let's say the total order comes to 100 cases of cards. The bill comes in for $1000 (Hey, $10/case!! I'll take 6 cases!!) plus s/h of $100. The additional cost to Jeff/Lynn to ship them out to the members is another $2/case or 50 cents/per box, so each of us owes Jeff/Lynn $13/case ($10 for the cards, $1 for the mfr's shippin charges and $2 for the post office's mangling service) or since there are 10 boxes per case, someone who orders 1 box pays $1 for the box and 10% of the mfr's shipping and all of the PO's costs for getting his box to him. OK, you're saying there's nothing different there from what happens, now. Wait for it. OK, now the biggie. Suppose someone who ordered a case backs out after Jeff/Lynne places the order. This shouldn't happen because we would voluntarily join the collective and shouldn't join unless we're prepared to stand by our promises to pay for everything we order, but shit happens, so let's stick with this example (I could have just as well said, "suppose one of the cases arrives damages and the mfr will NOT take responsibility). The collective would share the COST of the unsellable portion of the case. I'm not sure which is fairer - whether responsibility should be shared relative to how big an individual's portion of the total order was, or if everyone would share cost equally, but the point is to share it. Of course, Jeff/Lynne would also be in on the sharing. So, what does everyone think? See, I don't often start chats, but when I do... LLAP #567>>If there are self-made purgatories, then we all have to live in them. -- Spock, "This Side of Paradise," stardate 3417.7. #294>>Security, get that floozy off my bridge. =FE Picard #001>> "Kirk is alive. Deal with it." -- Vince Maiocco, Lt. jg/USS Thagard/NCC-652/Sciences/ visit my website =20 http://www.voicenet.com/~vmaiocco/ also visit my unofficial fan site (honest!) http://inet.net/~number6/vince.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Jacob Subject: Re: (trekchat) Friendly Neighborhood Dealer Date: 24 Jan 1998 16:54:41 -0600 Vince Maiocco wrote: >Additionally, Jeff/Lynn will still get whatever extra cards (at their >own cost) they want for selling to "true customers" and they would also >be the sole decision-makers of what to do with the dealer perks (this >is, after all, their due, since they're doing all the work). Ohhh.. I like that idea, :-) But, I,m Not a Dealer. I,m Not a Dealer. I,m Not a Dealer. I,m Not a Dealer. I,m Not a Dealer. I,m Not a Dealer. I,m Not a Dealer. I,m Not a Dealer. I,m Not a Dealer. I,m Not a Dealer. I,m Not a Dealer. I,m Not a Dealer. I,m Not a Dealer. I do belive Dealer's should present the fact that there are perks availble. and present them to there true custumers first. Also, if they so chouse and when availble they should sell them At a nominal price. Or Offer the perks to them as an incentive to order more from them. I dont know if perk info is availble to the dealers before delivery of there product. But, If i had known there was a Autograph card availble with a (12 box) TOS case purchase before hand. I would of certinly tried to obtain a case insted of the 7 seperate boxes that i got. When i order a case of 6 12 or 20 I expect to get that case unopened, What ever is in it. is in it, I ordered it. If a case of 6 or 12 is more expensive. (Like J!M Explained it so very well) so be it, I will pay more to get that special card that comes with that case. I think i finally explained myself correctly this time. The Collective idea certinly needs to be explored. Jeff -- _____..---======+*+=======--..___ ___________________ __,-='=====____ ============== ___===== (.__________________I__) - _-=_/ `'------=+=-------'` / /__...---==='---+---_' Capt. Jeffrey S Jacob '----'---.___ - _ = _.-' Capcom@aol.com -------' capcom@super-highway.net http://www.super-highway.net/users/capcom/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Elden Wilson Subject: RE: (trekchat) OOps...hehehee Date: 24 Jan 1998 19:10:34 -0500 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Tuesday, January 20, 1998 3:49 PM, Lynne Stewart [SMTP:lynne@jklm.net] wrote: > 4. Which profession was Sulu initially assigned aboard the > USS Enterprise? physicist There was some discussion on TrekChat (which I've forgotten). What was the final answer? Physicist or Botanist? - --Bob (^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^) ) Robert Elden Wilson, M.D., Ph.D. "Personal Brain ( ( -------------------------------- Care Specialist" ) ) Email: rewilson@ncinter.net ( ( FTP: ftp.ncinter.net/home/rewilson ) ) WWW: http://www.ncinter.net/~rewilson/ ( ( PGP Key: FTP, WWW, or finger -l rewilson@pepper.ncinter.net ) ) Address: Saint Vincent Health Center, Erie, PA 16544 ( (______________________________________________________________) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv Comment: Processed by PGPClick 3.0 iQCVAwUBNMqC+JekfJOFWb8JAQERIQP/cO9QhE1Nt9UxvKrjNoI0vQb9rvzqHoQ+ 5/dux93wg86KSoKfuuVCshQzA5haOe3rSf/qyQsc9z/8gYOy9S4bdyE8sPDQv9JO hpMx1n4/J8jUsjhrbmnCvpaJjK4om10R8Gsa8hPcIVc6VMSOVOfgRAudnE8dCEUa dBSLgbLs9ok= =IzI/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Jacob Subject: Re: (trekchat) OOps...hehehee Date: 24 Jan 1998 20:05:50 -0600 Robert Elden Wilson wrote: > There was some discussion on TrekChat (which I've forgotten). What was > the final answer? Physicist or Botanist? J!M said: I just checked my ST Encyclopedia. Says he was initially assigned as a physicist "Where no man has gone before" and then transfered to the helm in "The corbomite Maneuver". It mentions one of his hobbies was botany as well as fencing and old hand guns. And Vince was going to confirm this tonight by watching the 2 episodes... Over Again! ;-) Jeff -- _____..---======+*+=======--..___ ___________________ __,-='=====____ ============== ___===== (.__________________I__) - _-=_/ `'------=+=-------'` / /__...---==='---+---_' Capt. Jeffrey S Jacob '----'---.___ - _ = _.-' Capcom@aol.com -------' capcom@super-highway.net http://www.super-highway.net/users/capcom/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Jacob Subject: (trekchat) Trek Promo Question. Date: 25 Jan 1998 23:04:41 -0600 This was on the news, I,m clueless....Or brain dead I have 2 cards I need information on. They are regular size cards, and on the front there is a portrait of Captain Kirk and Mr Spock respectively. These pictures are from either pencil or charcoal drawings. The fronts have a gold metallic border and the pictures are on a red background. The backs are plain white and say "PROMO #1 of 2" for Kirk and "Promo #2 of 2" for Spock Anyone Know Who made these cards? Whan? What they are a promo for? Any information is appreciated. Thanks! Bob Greene ------------------- Headers -------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Maiocco Subject: Re: (trekchat) OOps...hehehee Date: 25 Jan 1998 23:30:16 -0500 I sent the following to Trekcxhat at the list address and it bounced back. Here it is again sent to the "old" Trekchat address: At 08:05 PM 1/24/98 -0600, you wrote: >J!M said: >I just checked my ST Encyclopedia. initially assigned as a >physicist and then transfered to the helm. It mentions one of his hobbies was >botany as well as fencing and old hand guns. > >And Vince was going to confirm this tonight by watching the 2 >episodes... Over Again! ;-) Yes, I was, but I took longer to met Leonard Nimoy yesterday than I expected, so I'll try to get to it today, although, I first have to watch this passed week's VOY, BAB5 and Earth: Final Conflict eps. Here's the info on seeing Leonard. The first part is the letter going to the stre that hoste the event and the second part is more detail, being written to fans.. well, like you guys: Re: Events of 9801.24 aboard USS Montgomery Mall/NCC - #773, docked in orbit over North Wales, PA 19464 docked in orbit over Philadelphia, PA 19101 Cc: Captain (Dist. Mgr.) Jeannine Deni Comdr. (Store Manager) Sharon Costamaris Captain Kris T! Klufas/Comdr., USS Thagard FCaptain Matt Black, USS Thagard All crew members/USS Thagard Stardate 9801.25 Admiral: Yesterday afforded me the opportunity to witness a group of the most considerate, efficient and professional retail personnel I have ever dealt with. I refer to the managers and store personnel at Waldenbook store # 773 at the Montgomery Mall in North Wales, PA. The event was a visit by Ambassador Spock of Vulcan (Mr. Leonard Nimoy), who was there for a book signing (his audio book series entitled "Alien Voices", from Simon and Schuster). For my two associates and me it was primarily a "rest and relaxation" assignment, yet we couldn't help but take note of the "work" being conducted by the crew of the store. It was easily seen that some of the store's employees were a little nervous in the presence of such a high-ranking and heavily-decorated personage as the Ambassador, but this didn't stop them from being helpful and friendly, answering every question, assisting all comers and generally enhancing the experience for everyone. = =3D =3D20 My colleagues and I have attended more conventions, book signings and other celebrity appearances than you can shake a phaser at. Our experiences span more than a quarter of a century at these kinds of events, but I do not exaggerate when I say that your people at store #773 are the best we've ever encountered. =3D20 We arrived at 0800 (8:00 a.m.), expecting a huge lineup for Ambassador Spock's appearance which was scheduled for 1400 (2:00 p.m.). One might expect that the employees would have been put off by our apparent over-eagerness, but nothing could be further from the truth. We were greeted in a friendly and courteous manner and no one accused us of being "obsessed" or "too compulsive" in our promptness. Ms. Jeannine Deni, the District Manager, came out of the locked store to greet us and let us know that we would be first in line. She also informed us that if we purchased at least 3 of the audio books=3D20 from the series being promoted, we were guaranteed to receive an autographed poster that would only be available to the first 50 people to make such a purchase. =3D20 In other words, here it was, two hours prior to opening (not to mention at least four hours before my brain would be working at full capacity) and she was making sure we had the latest information about the event while at the same time encouraging us to plan any purchases we might want to carry out. The rest of the store personnel were just as informative and courteous as the day went on. =3D20 Admiral, if there's any question in your mind as to whether or not you should plan more events like this, the answer from our view is a resounding "yes" and, if you want to know the best place to conduct such an event, our unqualified first and only choice is store #773. By the way, none of us are from the North Wales area. My friend, Phil, is from Cheltenham, PA, approximately 30 minutes away by conventional transport; I am from Swarthmore, PA, approximately an hour's drive and our third member lives just outside of Washington, D.C. And, yes, she came to town specifically for this event. My apologies for such a long letter, but I wanted to be sure you knew everything about this promotional event from a visitor's perspective. At the risk of being demoted, I have to observe that if Starfleet HQ performed with the degree of professionalism and dedication that was evident in your people yesterday, we wouldn't be having all the problems we've been experiencing lately with the Dominion and especially those pesky Klingons. Our best to everyone at Starbase Waldenbooks and especially Captain (Dist. Mgr.) Jeannine Deni, Comdr. (Store Manager) Sharon Costamaris and all the officers and crew of the USS Montgomery Mall/NCC - #773 Yours sincerely, Lt. (jg) Vince Maiocco/Sciences Dept/USS Thagard/NCC - 652 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D My notes to others about the appearance: OK, so now to tell you how it went from a fan's perspective. It literally could not have been a better experience. Well, OK, if Leonard had been Jeri Ryan, Nana Visitor or Terry Farrell, I might had had a slightly more enjoyable time, but maybe that's just me. The other thing is I never should have believed the advance notice that said Leonard would ONLY sign the "Aien Voices" tapes/CDs. That may have been his original plan, but he changed his mind with the first fan to approach him (Inge, who else?) He signed everything that was put in front of him and Inge put everything in te world in front of him; she went thru the autoraph line 4 or 5 times and had at least a half a dozen items with her on each trip!! I don't know if you know this, but Inge is NOT a Trek dealer. In the four years I've known her, I've offered to pay the going rate for several items in her collection and she will NOT sell. She claioms to have duplicates of absolutely nothing (unless it happens by accident) and her catalog, which is single-spaced letter-sized paper, is 174 pages long. It may be 176 pages after yesterday. Inge, Phil and I arrived at 8:00 am, hoping to be very near the front of what would soon become a very long line of fans. Well, guess what? We were #1, 2 and 3 in a line that NEVER got to be more than about 75 people!! That's how Inge was able to go 3 or 4 times in the 90 minutes Leonard was there. BTW, I wore my Mr. Spock T-shirt that reads, "Women are from Mars, Ment are from Vulcan" and when Leonard noticed it, he read it carefully and laughed, saying, "That's pretty funny". Being surprised that he had never seen it before, I was pleased that I was the one who got to show ity to him and that he genuinely seemed to like it. As I type this, I'm listening to one of the "Alien Voices" CDs. This one is H. G. Wells' "The Time Machine" and it's quite good - including sound effects, original music and the voices of Leonard, John De Lancie, Roxann Dawson, Robert Ellenstein (I recognize the name, but can't place it), Marnie Mosiman (John'sd wife), Andrew Robinson and Armin Shimmerman. The other 3 volumes released so far are: "War of the Worlds" (available only on cassette, the others are on both CD and cassette), Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's "Lost World" and "Journey to the Center of the Earth". For the first 50 people who purchased at least 3 of the 4 volumes, Leonard brought along a folded poster presigned by himself and John DeLancie. I cose to buy all 4 volumes and, since Phil only wanted one volume, anyway, I had him pay for one of mine, then purchased an extra (which we will auction/raffle for the Thagard's benefit), so that Phil was able to acquire a secong signed poster, which he reluctantly handed opver to me as he exited the autograph line. BTW, the casette I have for the Thagard is autographed by Mr. Nimoy, so we should be able to get a LOT of tickets sold with it. That's pretty much the who;e story, except that I was the ONLY Thagard member there... what a shame!! We saw 3 or 4 other folks we know from 'Fleet, but almost everyone elsewas a stranger. Why more Thagardians didn't show up, I have no idea. They really missed a great event. LLAP #567>>If there are self-made purgatories, then we all have to live in them. -- Spock, "This Side of Paradise," stardate 3417.7. #294>>Security, get that floozy off my bridge. =FE Picard #001>> "Kirk is alive. Deal with it." -- Vince Maiocco, Lt. jg/USS Thagard/NCC-652/Sciences/ visit my website =20 http://www.voicenet.com/~vmaiocco/ also visit my unofficial fan site (honest!) http://inet.net/~number6/vince.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C. Curtis Engel" Subject: Re: (trekchat) OOps...hehehee Date: 26 Jan 1998 06:22:50 -0800 (PST) >J!M said: >I just checked my ST Encyclopedia. Says he was initially assigned as a >physicist "Where no man has gone before" and then transfered to the helm >in "The corbomite Maneuver". It mentions one of his hobbies was botany >as well as fencing and old hand guns. To anyone with doubts, I would recommend going with the Encyclopedia, even though there is some doubt as to what the true correct answer is. HERE'S WHY: I also used the Encyclopedia (1997 edition) to check the answers to the questions. The questions are phrased in such a way that, when compared to the Encylopedia entries, suggests that the contest developers used the Encyclopedia itself to develop the questions. If my suspicion is correct, then developers will be depending on the Encyclopedia for the answers (which wouldn't be a bad idea, considering that the Okudas wrote the Encyclopedia). Since the Encyclopedia says Sulu started as a physicist, I'm going with that. (I reserve the right to reconsider if Lynne finds that information in the episodes clearly and distinctly contradicts the Encyclopedia!) C. Curtis Engel http://www.open.org/curtis/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J!m Hepworth Subject: Re: (trekchat) Friendly Neighborhood Dealer Date: 26 Jan 1998 12:10:48 -0700 At 03:54 PM 1/24/98 , you wrote: >I do belive Dealer's should present the fact that there are perks >availble. and present them to there true custumers first. Also, if they >so chouse and when availble they should sell them At a nominal price. Or >Offer the perks to them as an incentive to order more from them. I dont I've done this myself. I sold an SM1 case topper's we had heard about to a customer during the pre-order time. He ended up getting it for around $15 if I remember right. I was happy and so was he. In fact, I believe I picked up my boxes that time from Lynne as I didn't have enough orders to warrant the purchase of a full case. I think I needed 15 boxes so I talked to Lynne and we ended up combining our orders. Lynne got the three SM1 cards in the case she included two with my 15 boxes. If I had purchased these from any of the other distributors I never would have seen any of the SM1's as I had ordered partial cases before from them and never gotten any of the freebee's I heard was in the cases. >know if perk info is availble to the dealers before delivery of there Before I was setup to buy direct I never knew for sure if a case would have any case toppers in it or not. With my first direct order I did know about the incentive auto cards as they mentioned it on the order form. Can't say if this is the norm yet or not. >obtain a case insted of the 7 seperate boxes that i got. When i order a >case of 6 12 or 20 I expect to get that case unopened, What ever is in >it. is in it, I ordered it. If a case of 6 or 12 is more expensive. >(Like J!M Explained it so very well) so be it, I will pay more to get >that special card that comes with that case. In the past, if a customer ordered a 6 box case from me, I would let them know that I would be getting thier boxes via a 20/box case to save them a couple bucks per box. I then also told them that if the case included any freebee's that I would include one if there was at least three since they were buying roughly 1/3 of a case. This worked ok when Skybox was doing freebees based on case size with 1in a 6box case, 2 in a 12box case, 3 in a 20box case. On this last set, the "incentive" as they called it, did not come in the case, but was shipped out after. They also did not give any to 6/box case orders. >The Collective idea certinly needs to be explored. Basically that is the way I started out four years ago, except I never tried to pass any loss onto the customer. This would only work if every box in a case was always sold. If you had to buy smaller than 20/box cases your price goes up $1 or $2 box. And what about fair compensation for all the time the person co-ordinating the effort puts into it? Rembember they have to distribute release info, take orders, answer questions, repackage and deliver to postoffice, buy tape/labels/boxes, followup orders, yadda yadda yadda. So they get any freebee's as sole compensation? What if there aren't any with that release? What if they can't sell them or can only get $20-30 for them. Is that enough to cover the time they spend? Not really as many people find out when they try and re-sell then quit after one release because they are burned out and have nothing to show for it. -J!m Encore Consulting mailto:encore@xmission.com Authorized Fleer/Skybox Hobby Dealer -------==== Star Trek Related Maillists ====------- TrekTrade - Find others to Trade with or Buy and Sell your extra Star Trek items TrekChat - Ongoing discussion of collecting Star Trek memoribilia. You must be a member to post messages to a maillist. To subscribe mailto:majordomo@lists.xmission.com with "subscribe trektrade" and/or "subscribe trekchat" in the body without quotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: (trekchat) release dates.... Date: 26 Jan 1998 16:24:28 -0500 Ok, here's one for ya...release dates.....note the one marked **, my rep says she knows it loks odd, but that is what her sheet said.... STTK Voyager DS9. ******** Bab 5, Season 5 for 9/16. STTK TOS II for 5/20 STTK TOS III for 11/4 (date pending) STTK Movie 12/2, (also date pending) Lynne Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: (trekchat) One other thing...lottery tickets Date: 26 Jan 1998 16:36:19 -0500 There is a possiblity that Oregon will be the next state to offer ST lottery tickets. I offer this info only, I will likely NOT be picking up extra sets this time around. The last batch got sorta messed up on me and if every state is gonna do one, i need to take one state off! ;) It looks like it will be a set of 6. I will post info to the web site as I get it. Sorry for weaseling out on this one. Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: (trekchat) release dates.... Date: 26 Jan 1998 16:24:28 -0500 Ok, here's one for ya...release dates.....note the one marked **, my rep says she knows it loks odd, but that is what her sheet said.... STTK Voyager DS9. ******** Bab 5, Season 5 for 9/16. STTK TOS II for 5/20 STTK TOS III for 11/4 (date pending) STTK Movie 12/2, (also date pending) Lynne Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J!m Hepworth Subject: Re: (trekchat) One other thing...lottery tickets Date: 26 Jan 1998 16:07:54 -0700 At 02:36 PM 1/26/98 , you wrote: >There is a possiblity that Oregon will be the next state to offer ST >lottery tickets. I offer this info only, I will likely NOT be picking up >extra sets this time around. The last batch got sorta messed up on me >and if every state is gonna do one, i need to take one state off! ;) >It looks like it will be a set of 6. I will post info to the web site as >I get it. Sorry for weaseling out on this one. I have customers in Oregon. I'll give em a call and have them keep me posted. -J!m Encore Consulting mailto:encore@xmission.com Authorized Fleer/Skybox Hobby Dealer -------==== Star Trek Related Maillists ====------- TrekTrade - Find others to Trade with or Buy and Sell your extra Star Trek items TrekChat - Ongoing discussion of collecting Star Trek memoribilia. You must be a member to post messages to a maillist. To subscribe mailto:majordomo@lists.xmission.com with "subscribe trektrade" and/or "subscribe trekchat" in the body without quotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C. Curtis Engel" Subject: Re: (trekchat) One other thing...lottery tickets Date: 26 Jan 1998 18:01:57 -0800 (PST) >At 02:36 PM 1/26/98 , you wrote: >>There is a possiblity that Oregon will be the next state to offer ST >>lottery tickets. .... >I have customers in Oregon. I'll give em a call and have them keep me posted. > Hey everyone. I'm a state employee in Oregon. I have an e-mail into the Oregon Lottery to get more information on this. For those interested, here's the Oregon Lottery Homepage: http://www.oregonlottery.org/ Here's the Scratch-It page: http://www.oregonlottery.org/scratch/sc_games.htm It doesn't list anything about ST tickets yet. C. Curtis Engel http://www.open.org/curtis/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Maiocco Subject: Re: (trekchat) Friendly Neighborhood Dealer Date: 27 Jan 1998 04:36:18 -0500 >But hold it! We're still forgetting about all the other "costs" associated >with being a dealer. >1. Shipping boxes, packing tape, peanuts, labels. Hey, you mean I'm paying for your snacks, too? LLAP #567>>If there are self-made purgatories, then we all have to live in them. -- Spock, "This Side of Paradise," stardate 3417.7. #294>>Security, get that floozy off my bridge. =FE Picard #001>> "Kirk is alive. Deal with it." -- Vince Maiocco, Lt. jg/USS Thagard/NCC-652/Sciences/ visit my website =20 http://www.voicenet.com/~vmaiocco/ also visit my unofficial fan site (honest!) http://inet.net/~number6/vince.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Maiocco Subject: Re: (trekchat) One other thing...lottery tickets Date: 27 Jan 1998 05:26:55 -0500 At 04:07 PM 1/26/98 -0700, you wrote: >At 02:36 PM 1/26/98 , you wrote: >>There is a possiblity that Oregon will be the next state to offer ST >>lottery tickets. I offer this info only, I will likely NOT be picking up >>extra sets this time around. The last batch got sorta messed up on me >>and if every state is gonna do one, i need to take one state off! ;) >>It looks like it will be a set of 6. I will post info to the web site as >>I get it. Sorry for weaseling out on this one. > >I have customers in Oregon. I'll give em a call and have them keep me posted. Somehow, I missed the info that either of you were helping us get the Indiana sets, so, if either of you decided to make the Oregon ones available, please be sure to let us all know, OK? LLAP #567>>If there are self-made purgatories, then we all have to live in them. -- Spock, "This Side of Paradise," stardate 3417.7. #294>>Security, get that floozy off my bridge. =FE Picard #001>> "Kirk is alive. Deal with it." -- Vince Maiocco, Lt. jg/USS Thagard/NCC-652/Sciences/ visit my website =20 http://www.voicenet.com/~vmaiocco/ also visit my unofficial fan site (honest!) http://inet.net/~number6/vince.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ansari A" Subject: (trekchat) ST Autos Date: 27 Jan 1998 12:48:47 +0000 I have been away from the Internet for about two months. Consequently I am not sure how much the autograph cards are selling for from ST Ann I. I know that there are three levels of rarity but what are the approximate prices? Thanks for any help. Arif A.Ansari@city.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: Re: (trekchat) One other thing...lottery tickets Date: 27 Jan 1998 10:04:19 -0500 C. Curtis Engel wrote: > > >At 02:36 PM 1/26/98 , you wrote: > >>There is a possiblity that Oregon will be the next state to offer ST > >>lottery tickets. > .... > >I have customers in Oregon. I'll give em a call and have them keep me posted. > > > > Hey everyone. > > I'm a state employee in Oregon. I have an e-mail into the Oregon Lottery to > get more information on this. > > For those interested, here's the Oregon Lottery Homepage: > http://www.oregonlottery.org/ > > Here's the Scratch-It page: > http://www.oregonlottery.org/scratch/sc_games.htm > > It doesn't list anything about ST tickets yet. > > C. Curtis Engel > http://www.open.org/curtis/ Cool, I started to go to the lottery web page, but got distracted yesterday. So, how many states are gonna do these???!!!! Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Jacob Subject: Re: (trekchat) ST Autos Date: 27 Jan 1998 10:22:01 -0600 Ansari A wrote: > I have been away from the Internet for about two months. > Consequently I am not sure how much the autograph cards are selling > for from ST Ann I. I know that there are three levels of rarity but > what are the approximate prices? Thanks for any help. > Arif So far these are what the cards have sold for on eBay. Some didnt sell because the reserve was too high. Prices below may be in error +-$1 A1 $400, 350, 402, 521, 405 A2 $112, 80, 51, 50, 71, 83, 91, 85 A3 $71, 41, 91, 71, 77, 83 A4 $163, 85, 100, 94 A5 $48, 46, 51, 46 A6 $36, 41, 46, 28, 42 A7 66, 41 A8 55, 30 A9 51, 51, 41, 44, 36, 44 A10 $41 ,42, 41, 36 A11 $36, 44, 41, 45 A12 $46, 48 A13 $53, 46, 41, 44 A14 $35, 46, 40, 40 A15 $42, 41, 32, 44, 42, 42 A16 $35, 46, 41, 44, 50, 46 A17 $76, 71, 76, 61 A18 $47, 40, 36 A19 $49, 40, 46 A20 $39, 39, 40 A21 $41, 76 A22 $46 A23 $256, 162, 304, 351, 290 A24 $45, 80, 58, 46, 52, 40 A25 $183, 200, 187 A26 $63, 46, 49, 40, 46, 58, 47, 44, 51, 41 -- _____..---======+*+=======--..___ ___________________ __,-='=====____ ============== ___===== (.__________________I__) - _-=_/ `'------=+=-------'` / /__...---==='---+---_' Capt. Jeffrey S Jacob '----'---.___ - _ = _.-' Capcom@aol.com -------' capcom@super-highway.net http://www.super-highway.net/users/capcom/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J!m Hepworth Subject: Re: (trekchat) Friendly Neighborhood Dealer Date: 27 Jan 1998 09:12:22 -0700 At 02:36 AM 1/27/98 , you wrote: >>But hold it! We're still forgetting about all the other "costs" associated >>with being a dealer. >>1. Shipping boxes, packing tape, peanuts, labels. > > >Hey, you mean I'm paying for your snacks, too? Well, when I'm really hungry, a handfull of those cellulose peanuts with a little salt aint half bad! But I find the styrofoam ones a little chewey and they get stuck in my teeth. -J!m Encore Consulting mailto:encore@xmission.com Authorized Fleer/Skybox Hobby Dealer -------==== Star Trek Related Maillists ====------- TrekTrade - Find others to Trade with or Buy and Sell your extra Star Trek items TrekChat - Ongoing discussion of collecting Star Trek memoribilia. You must be a member to post messages to a maillist. To subscribe mailto:majordomo@lists.xmission.com with "subscribe trektrade" and/or "subscribe trekchat" in the body without quotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J!m Hepworth Subject: Re: (trekchat) ST Autos Date: 27 Jan 1998 10:17:48 -0700 At 05:48 AM 1/27/98 , you wrote: > >I have been away from the Internet for about two months. >Consequently I am not sure how much the autograph cards are selling >for from ST Ann I. I know that there are three levels of rarity but >what are the approximate prices? Thanks for any help. Well, actually there are only two levels of rarity. These are the supposed insertion qty's 400 each of A1(Shatner), A23(Collins), A25(Barrett) 800 each of the others. but pricing seems to be based around 3 rates, 1. the rares (A1, A23, A25) $200-400 2. crew and famous (A2, A3, A4, A17) $80-125 3. all the rest. $35-60 -J!m Encore Consulting mailto:encore@xmission.com Authorized Fleer/Skybox Hobby Dealer -------==== Star Trek Related Maillists ====------- TrekTrade - Find others to Trade with or Buy and Sell your extra Star Trek items TrekChat - Ongoing discussion of collecting Star Trek memoribilia. You must be a member to post messages to a maillist. To subscribe mailto:majordomo@lists.xmission.com with "subscribe trektrade" and/or "subscribe trekchat" in the body without quotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: (trekchat) rumors Date: 27 Jan 1998 14:38:10 -0500 I hard a rumor the other day about a First Contact card that reminds me of the First Contact card that caused such a furer awhile back. I was told that MBNA had a special deal that if you presented your MBNA credit card at the movie theatre at the opening of First Contact, you got a special FC trading card......I don't have any more then that...... Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve J. Rogers" <9_srogers@FAIR1.FAIRFIELD.EDU> Subject: Re: (trekchat) rumors Date: 27 Jan 1998 14:42:22 -0400 (EDT) > I hard a rumor the other day about a First Contact card that reminds me > of the First Contact card that caused such a furer awhile back. I was > told that MBNA had a special deal that if you presented your MBNA credit > card at the movie theatre at the opening of First Contact, you got a > special FC trading card......I don't have any more then that...... I bet you the card was just a card size version of the lobby poster, or any of the FC ads, probably the one with Stewart, Spiner, and Krige. Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Cutler Subject: Re: (trekchat) rumors Date: 27 Jan 1998 11:55:12 -0800 Lynne Stewart wrote: > I hard a rumor the other day about a First Contact card that reminds > me > of the First Contact card that caused such a furer awhile back. I was > told that MBNA had a special deal that if you presented your MBNA > credit > card at the movie theatre at the opening of First Contact, you got a > special FC trading card......I don't have any more then that...... Too bizarre - just imagine being in a long line to get into a new Star Trek movie on opening day, and everybody in line starts using a credit card to buy their tickets! Could take 3 days to get in the theater!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: Re: (trekchat) rumors Date: 27 Jan 1998 14:56:29 -0500 Mark Cutler wrote: > > Lynne Stewart wrote: > > > I hard a rumor the other day about a First Contact card that reminds > > me > > of the First Contact card that caused such a furer awhile back. I was > > told that MBNA had a special deal that if you presented your MBNA > > credit > > card at the movie theatre at the opening of First Contact, you got a > > special FC trading card......I don't have any more then that...... > > Too bizarre - just imagine being in a long line to get into a new Star > Trek movie on opening day, and everybody in line starts using a credit > card to buy their tickets! Could take 3 days to get in the theater!! May be why not too many people made mention of it..too much of a pain Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C. Curtis Engel" Subject: (trekchat) Oregon Trek Lottery tickets Date: 27 Jan 1998 18:46:28 -0800 (PST) Here's the info received from the Oregon Lottery regarding the new Trek series: >Thank you for visiting the Web Center! > >You heard the rumor correctly. We're all really excited about this new >Scratch-it. It will be in your local Oregon Lottery retailer on February >3, 1998. > >I will have a Scratch-it page up in the Web Center this afternoon at >www.oregonlottery.org/scratch/trek.htm and that page will have the odds >as do all our Web Center Scratch-it pages for new games. There are 6 >different tickets in the series with a "series" theme of 5 different crafts >and one nebula to start off the series. I understand that some people are >intending to frame the series because the graphics are great! Most Scratch-it >fans will want to play this fun game though, as the game has lots of >prizes and >an extra with hundreds of different trek facts to be uncovered, a top >prize of $5,000 and good odds with 1 in 3.61. > If you are a fan, the craft will be: > U.S.S Enterprise NCC-1701 > U.S.S Enterprise NCC-1701-D > Romulan Warbird > U.S.S Voyager NCC-74656 > >So, visit the Web Center around 5:00 and you'll see what I mean. And good >luck playing this exciting new Oregon Lottery Scratch-it. > > > >Sincerely, > >Donna Eubanks, >Web Designer, Oregon Lottery > e-mail: orlottry@teleport.com > **** Our new Oregon Lottery Web Center address > http://www.oregonlottery.org **** (As of 7:00 PM Pacific time, the Trek web page is not up yet. Also, the message above says there are 5 craft, but lists only 4; the 5th is DS9.) I also saw a poster today advertising the new set; it looks pretty cool (better than last year's California tickets, IMHO). There may be people on trekchat who offer to provide tickets at cost; if not, I can provide them for $9.00+SASE (or $10.00 w/o SASE) per set of 6. (Assuming they are $1 tickets.) E-mail me if interested. C. Curtis Engel http://www.open.org/curtis/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J!m Hepworth Subject: Re: (trekchat) rumors Date: 28 Jan 1998 08:21:34 -0700 At 12:38 PM 1/27/98 , you wrote: >I hard a rumor the other day about a First Contact card that reminds me >of the First Contact card that caused such a furer awhile back. I was >told that MBNA had a special deal that if you presented your MBNA credit >card at the movie theatre at the opening of First Contact, you got a >special FC trading card......I don't have any more then that...... FC the movie? Every theater? And none of us have seen any of these or even heard about them? Wouldn't you think that each theater would have had extra and some employee would have taken them and they would have eventually shown up somewhere on the net? Do most movie theaters accept CC? I've never noticed any signs or ever tried one. Probably because I usually wait 2-3 weeks when most move to the $1 theater so I can save the extra to buy more cards. -J!m Encore Consulting mailto:encore@xmission.com Authorized Fleer/Skybox Hobby Dealer -------==== Star Trek Related Maillists ====------- TrekTrade - Find others to Trade with or Buy and Sell your extra Star Trek items TrekChat - Ongoing discussion of collecting Star Trek memoribilia. You must be a member to post messages to a maillist. To subscribe mailto:majordomo@lists.xmission.com with "subscribe trektrade" and/or "subscribe trekchat" in the body without quotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Maiocco Subject: Re: (trekchat) One other thing...lottery tickets Date: 28 Jan 1998 01:10:53 -0500 At 10:04 AM 1/27/98 -0500, you wrote: >Cool, I started to go to the lottery web page, but got distracted >yesterday. So, how many states are gonna do these???!!!! My guess would be all but the following will apply on a state-by-state= basis: Texas - they'll make the tix, but they'll be the size of billboards. California - everyone who wins will have a green card. Pennsylvania - it'll be against the law to scratch tem off on a Sunday. Rhode Island - they'll be these little, teeny, tiny tickets. Nevada - insert your own joke, here. Florida - no tix sold to anyone under the age of 65. Tennessee - if you look thru the windows of the bridge, you can see a little, bitty Elvis in the Captain's chair. Minnesota - if you look thru the windows of the bridge, you can see a little, bitty Garrison Keillor in the Captain's chair. LLAP #567>>If there are self-made purgatories, then we all have to live in them. -- Spock, "This Side of Paradise," stardate 3417.7. #294>>Security, get that floozy off my bridge. =FE Picard #001>> "Kirk is alive. Deal with it." -- Vince Maiocco, Lt. jg/USS Thagard/NCC-652/Sciences/ visit my website =20 http://www.voicenet.com/~vmaiocco/ also visit my unofficial fan site (honest!) http://inet.net/~number6/vince.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Maiocco Subject: Re: (trekchat) Friendly Neighborhood Dealer Date: 28 Jan 1998 02:13:46 -0500 At 09:12 AM 1/27/98 -0700, you wrote: >>Hey, you mean I'm paying for your snacks, too? > >Well, when I'm really hungry, a handfull of those cellulose peanuts with a >little salt aint half bad! But I find the styrofoam ones a little chewey >and they get stuck in my teeth. I find that less annoying than the cellulose ones. Ever try to wash them down with a big glass of water? They inflate like balloons and your pants won't zip up any more. LLAP #567>>If there are self-made purgatories, then we all have to live in them. -- Spock, "This Side of Paradise," stardate 3417.7. #294>>Security, get that floozy off my bridge. =FE Picard #001>> "Kirk is alive. Deal with it." -- Vince Maiocco, Lt. jg/USS Thagard/NCC-652/Sciences/ visit my website =20 http://www.voicenet.com/~vmaiocco/ also visit my unofficial fan site (honest!) http://inet.net/~number6/vince.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Maiocco Subject: Re: (trekchat) Friendly Neighborhood Dealer Date: 29 Jan 1998 04:35:28 -0500 At 12:10 PM 1/26/98 -0700, you wrote: >>The Collective idea certinly needs to be explored. >Basically that is the way I started out four years ago, except I never >tried to pass any loss onto the customer. This would only work if every >box in a case was always sold. If you had to buy smaller than 20/box cases >your price goes up $1 or $2 box. =20 Well, that's part of what the collective might help with. Naturally, everyone in the collective would get hit with te $1 or $ per box, but AS A COLLECTIVE, we're talking about hardcore collectors who will: 1) Stick by their promise to buy what they order 2) Buy several boxes per order 3) Almost always be "in" on an order >And what about fair compensation for all the time the person co-ordinating >the effort puts into it? Rembember they have to distribute release info, >take orders, answer questions, repackage and deliver to postoffice, buy >tape/labels/boxes, followup orders, yadda yadda yadda. So they get any >freebee's as sole compensation? What if there aren't any with that >release? What if they can't sell them or can only get $20-30 for them. Is >that enough to cover the time they spend? The only person who can answer that is the one doing it. It's certainly not enough for me to do it (obviously), but maybe that's just me. Te point is that, if no one thinks it's worth a dollar or two per box PLUS some/all of the ocassional perks to be the "dealer", then we should all be pretty happy that Jim and Lynne do it for us at all, right? And for those who feel that $1 or $2 each box is all they should get, then buy your boxes elsewhere. No one has the right to criticize what they have to pay for something - you're not forced to buy anything from anyone! Don't like it? Don't buy it. LLAP #567>>If there are self-made purgatories, then we all have to live in them. -- Spock, "This Side of Paradise," stardate 3417.7. #294>>Security, get that floozy off my bridge. =FE Picard #001>> "Kirk is alive. Deal with it." -- Vince Maiocco, Lt. jg/USS Thagard/NCC-652/Sciences/ visit my website =20 http://www.voicenet.com/~vmaiocco/ also visit my unofficial fan site (honest!) http://inet.net/~number6/vince.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: Re: (trekchat) rumors Date: 29 Jan 1998 16:19:07 -0500 J!m Hepworth wrote: > > At 12:38 PM 1/27/98 , you wrote: > >I hard a rumor the other day about a First Contact card that reminds me > >of the First Contact card that caused such a furer awhile back. I was > >told that MBNA had a special deal that if you presented your MBNA credit > >card at the movie theatre at the opening of First Contact, you got a > >special FC trading card......I don't have any more then that...... > > FC the movie? Every theater? And none of us have seen any of these or > even heard about them? Wouldn't you think that each theater would have had > extra and some employee would have taken them and they would have > eventually shown up somewhere on the net? > > Do most movie theaters accept CC? I've never noticed any signs or ever > tried one. Probably because I usually wait 2-3 weeks when most move to the > $1 theater so I can save the extra to buy more cards. > I suppose you didn't have to USE the cc, just show it..I don't know, I never heard a word about it and I HAVE MBNA and why wouldn't they send me a note saying it was a deal they were doing, but half the fun is exploring, so I will hunt and see what files! Lynne -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionnes for STAR TREK, STAR WARS and other SCI-FI collectibles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J!m Hepworth Subject: (trekchat) J!m's story (collector to dealer perspective) Date: 30 Jan 1998 21:35:59 -0700 Hello everyone, This is probably going to sound like I'm whinning, but I thought some of you might be interested hearing some details of a dealer/collector's thoughts/experiences. Truthfully I've questioned many times as to whether I should keep "distributing/dealing", but I find it as hard to quit as to keep going because of all the friends I've made over the years doing it. I love collecting Trek cards and I love helping other collectors. I love trading also, especially when it's for something I don't have. I just wish I had more time to finish up all the trades I sometimes get into. Now on to the story.... I started collecting Trek cards in 1992/3. A friend showed me the 25th Anniversary series and Inagural Series was just out. I purchased a couple boxes and was able to find a couple 25th Anniv boxes still around also. Then I moved and forgot about them for around a year. When I first signed onto the internet in mid 94' I was thrilled to find many others to trade with. Up to then I had only been able to trade with a local dealer at 2 for 1 and not across sets. I figured I could purchase in bulk and probably save myself a few bucks per box, but had no way to sell the extra boxes until now. So I started putting ads on the usenet. Sure enough, many others wanted to save too, and with enough orders I purchased my first case. I didn't consider myself a "dealer". I was a collector trying to save money, and in the process saving others money also. What I didn't realize was the huge amount of time that had to be invested. Between the researching release info, posting of ads, answering questions, taking orders, repackaging, delivering to postoffice or UPS and followup I was spending hours and hours. But I was getting my boxes at wholesale so I was happy. For the first couple releases that I sold I was almost selling at my cost. I had to do this to get enough orders as there was always competition I had to match prices with. I didn't know what they were making, but my avg profit per box was less then $1. This just covered the extra's I had to spend like tape,boxes, labels, peanuts and any misjudged postage costs. But I was still happy at getting my boxes at wholesale. Then a few bad things happened. 1. A box to a customer supposedly never arrived. Had been shipped priority but not certified or insured as that was an option and the customer had chosen not to pay the extra. I still think I was ripped off, but had no way to prove it. So instead of ruining my reputation I ate the loss and sent the customers money back. Loss=$37/box + $3 postage. 2. There was no distributor that would order me a 12/box sealed case (probably because the prices they quoted were only based on a 20/box case) so I couldn't get any case-toppers unless I purchased a full 20/box case. And none of the distributors I called would even talk to me about passing on any case-toppers, even if I ordered 19 boxes (back then a few distributors would sell part of a case, but most only sell full cases). I even had one distributor that I think opened a 20/box case and took the toppers before shipping it. They just said they had put extra tape on the box to strenghen it and there wasn't any toppers in that set. I later found out there had been some. 3. A new set was announced. I planned on opening 4-5 boxes myself and was able to get orders for 13 boxes. I had switched to a distributor who only dealt in full cases as they were a little cheaper and much nicer. So now I had a tough decision... Buy a 12/box & 6/box case at higher cost and loosing my whopping $1 profit completely or take a chance and buy a 20/box case hoping to sell the extra 2 boxes. Decided on the 20/box case hoping to sell the extra boxes. No luck, so I dropped the price to cost... still no buyers, dropped it $5 below cost and still no buyers. At this point I had made $13 profit but had $72 in product I couldn't sell. Even if I broke the boxes down, the best I could hope for was 3/chase per box and a couple sets. I might be able to sell the chase at $8/ea but usually others I had didn't sell for more than $6/ea, and I still had common sets from the boxes I had bought that I couldn't sell at $5/ea. Even if I could sell it broken down it would only be $34/box which was $3 short of cost and I would have to sort/collate and possibly do trades to finish the common sets. More time spent only to loose money? So in the end, everyone benifited by getting thier boxes at distributor pricing, including me, but my "cost" really had been much higher when you take into account even a small portion of my time, and now I was loosing money on the extra boxes I had ordered so I could save money. Over the years I have made adjustments and tried other variations, but doing business on the net is different with every release. I loose customers to new "dealers" that sell for a little less because they choose to make even less than I do and underprice me. Even when I have given free promo's and other incentives to try and keep customer happy, many have left to save a buck. Trying to break down boxes has never paid off either. I either end up holding dozens of sets or giving them away for the cost of postage. So why do I keep dealing? My wife says it's "cuz yer stoopid". She's probably right, but I do enjoy it, and would really miss all the friends I've made if I quit. So that's it. My life story (at least the part related to cards). Interesting or boring or a little of both? Now I'll have to write up my feelings on this new TOS set, but that's going to have to be a different message, another day. -J!m Authorized Fleer/Skybox Hobby Dealer mailto:encore@xmission.com (Encore Consulting) -------==== Star Trek Related Maillists ====------- TrekTrade - Place to Trade/Sell/Buy Star Trek memoribilia. TrekChat - Ongoing discussion of collecting Star Trek. You must be a member to post messages to a maillist. To subscribe mailto:majordomo@lists.xmission.com with "subscribe trektrade" and/or "subscribe trekchat" in the body without quotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J!m Hepworth Subject: (trekchat) TOS auto card pricing Date: 31 Jan 1998 01:08:35 -0700 I have been collecting sold prices for TOS autograph cards over the past month. I am compiling them into a database and have the following table showing low, high and average.=A0

All my data has come from a few I've sold, a few from newsgroup listings saying sold, but mostly from eBay auctions.=A0=A0 I included all high bids from closed eBay auctions, including ones that didn't sell because of a reserve amount.=A0 I figured if bidding only went to $50 then that's what the market was willing to pay and the seller was asking too much.

I would really like to include more than just the eBay data.=A0 If you have sold or bought a TOS autograph card (not on ebay) I would appreciate you sending me the following information. The last three fields are not required but will really help in keeping me from included the same card more than once. For Seller/Buyer just the first part of email would be good.=A0 Place sold could be an auction site, newsgroup, trektrade, word of mouth, back-alley, etc.

Card#, Date-sold, Sold-price, Seller, Buyer, Place sold.

All detail for any card is available for anyone who wants it.=A0 With the dates in there I'm watching for trends in overall pricing going up or down.

The data is below in an embedded table.=A0 Truthfully I don't know how many of you will be able to view it in this format.=A0 I ran a test and sent this to myself and was surprised that the table didn't look the same as what I sent.=A0 It was readable but the column widths and font sizes were strange. If it's totally unreadable to you, please drop me a line mentioning your email reader program, as I'd like to find out how many people can't see it.=A0 If very many of you can't, I''ll get a copy up on the web right away.

CardCountLowHighAverage
A110 $175.00 $521.00 $356.85
A26 $83.00 $140.00 $112.50
A38 $71.00 $125.00 $93.00
A49 $75.00 $163.00 $92.58
A510 $41.00 $51.00 $48.40
A67 $36.00 $46.00 $41.44
A76 $34.01 $66.00 $49.25
A84 $30.75 $55.99 $42.18
A98 $36.00 $52.51 $42.10
A108 $29.00 $46.02 $37.13
A115 $41.01 $50.50 $46.10
A128 $40.00 $75.00 $48.13
A136 $44.01 $75.00 $55.84
A144 $31.10 $40.01 $35.29
A158 $37.01 $75.00 $46.63
A1610 $41.00 $65.00 $48.42
A1712 $36.00 $125.00 $75.88
A187 $31.00 $40.02 $36.72
A198 $39.02 $49.00 $42.39
A206 $35.00 $46.01 $41.01
A216 $33.00 $76.99 $48.17
A227 $40.00 $75.00 $47.59
A237 $162.50 $383.99 $297.05
A248 $40.00 $80.00 $51.16
A257 $152.50 $225.00 $189.64
A2611 $41.00 $75.00 $52.37
FullSet2 $2,025.00 $2,127.01 $2,076.01
Box1 $92.00 $92.00 $92.00
I-card2 $1,125.00 $1,300.00 $1,212.50




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To subscribe mailto:majordomo@lists.xmission.com with "subscribe trektrade" and/or "subscribe trekchat" in the body without quotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Jacob Subject: Re: (trekchat) TOS auto prices Date: 31 Jan 1998 16:59:13 -0600 J!m Hepworth wrote: >I wasn't happy with the way the table of prices displayed even in my own >mail program. It Looked real good on my mail program. you guys just dont have the right equipment. Hehehehe.. -- _____..---======+*+=======--..___ ___________________ __,-='=====____ ============== ___===== (.__________________I__) - _-=_/ `'------=+=-------'` / /__...---==='---+---_' Capt. Jeffrey S Jacob '----'---.___ - _ = _.-' Capcom@aol.com -------' capcom@super-highway.net http://www.super-highway.net/users/capcom/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J!m Hepworth Subject: (trekchat) more lotto cards Date: 31 Jan 1998 16:43:26 -0700 I just saw this about a Conneticut lotto card in the newsgroups. We were able to get a limited number of the Star Trek Lottery Tickets, that were issued in Conneticut Recently. Set of 4, 1 Enterprise, 1 Enterprise 4, 1 Ds9, 1 Voyager. Really Nice looking cards. Mint Condition unscratched 10 UK Pounds for the set of 4 or $16 USD. For More Details Email sales@import.demon.co.uk Or to see them visit http://www.import.demon.co.uk and follow the links to Star Trek Collectors items. -J!m Authorized Fleer/Skybox Hobby Dealer mailto:encore@xmission.com (Encore Consulting) -------==== Star Trek Related Maillists ====------- TrekTrade - Place to Trade/Sell/Buy Star Trek memoribilia. TrekChat - Ongoing discussion of collecting Star Trek. You must be a member to post messages to a maillist. To subscribe mailto:majordomo@lists.xmission.com with "subscribe trektrade" and/or "subscribe trekchat" in the body without quotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Jacob Subject: Re: (trekchat) more lotto cards Date: 31 Jan 1998 20:22:01 -0600 Even richard cant do html right. Here's the pictures on his server. http://www.import.demon.co.uk/cards/stloto.jpg -- _____..---======+*+=======--..___ ___________________ __,-='=====____ ============== ___===== (.__________________I__) - _-=_/ `'------=+=-------'` / /__...---==='---+---_' Capt. Jeffrey S Jacob '----'---.___ - _ = _.-' Capcom@aol.com -------' capcom@super-highway.net http://www.super-highway.net/users/capcom/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Stewart Subject: (trekchat) Decipher product.... Date: 31 Jan 1998 22:00:00 -0500 January 21 1998 - Decipher announces an official sealed-deck product for Star Trek Customizable Card Game. At last - one box containing all you need to participate in a challenging and balanced sealed-deck tournament. Designed for maximum value, the set's secret weapon is a fixed deck (the same in each and every set) of twenty new black border cards. Look for new doorways, outposts, ships and personnel in the twenty cards. The benefits are greater excitement and deck building opportunities for every Star Trek CCG player, and a more level playing field for Sealed Deck participants. Fair play, and exciting play. That's hot. Along with the special fixed deck, the set will contain four Premiere (white border) expansion packs and one Alternate Universe expansion pack, so there is also the chance of pulling the elusive Future Enterprise, still the most highly prized card in the Star Trek CCG universe. This game will be presented in six different box designs (each representing one of 6 different affiliations: Federation, Klingon, Romulan, Borg, Cardassian, and Bajoran). Note, the content of each and every Sealed Deck box will be the same, regardless of the box design. Each box will be covered in an external wrapper that will keep the box design a surprise until it is opened. And, the box is cleverly sized to hold 300 cards unsleeved, 150 cards in protective sleeves, or three 50-card hard plastic boxes. The suggested retail price is not yet determined, but should be in the $15-20 range. Further details, including release date, will be given as they become available. Look for a similar product for the Star Wars Customizable Card Game to be announced soon. -- JKLM Enterprises http://www.jklm.net/index.html Home of the Amok Times Newsletter-Info on Star Trek Collectibles KLM Cards-Trek cards and stuff for sale! Online consignment Auctionne for Star Trek collectibles