From: owner-yello-digest@lists.xmission.com (yello-digest) To: yello-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: yello-digest V2 #22 Reply-To: yello-digest Sender: owner-yello-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-yello-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes yello-digest Friday, February 6 1998 Volume 02 : Number 022 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:16:50 +0100 From: "Jonas Warstad" Subject: (yello) New MP3s >According to Jonas's discography, this is "Gluehead 2:37 [last 8 seconds >missing]" but it also could be "I.T. Splash 2:37" as in Lazlo's discography. >However, lyrics in the song has "Splash". I would trust in Jonas and his >sources anyway. Believe me, I know what I'm doing. The Ralph guys messed it up. >This is "Vicious Games (Remix) 3.11 [remix engineer Nick Launay; remix >producer Ian Tregoning]". It is similar to Vicious Remix by the same guys >even they are quite different. Both starts with Haunted House laughing. Vicious Games (Remix) 3.11 is the '86 7" version, Vicious Games (Vicious Remix) 7.00 is the '86 12" version. >Jonas, have you noticed this minor difference? The songs otherwise are >exactly the same. Must be some editing problem when those different vinyls >were released. The German 7" has the added vocal before music starts, the UK doesn't. Don't know why. The US 7" has the LP version, which in the US (at least on the cassette) and Italy (maybe even more countries) is the same as the single remix. To add to the confusion the German and the UK single seem to have been mastered at different speeds because if I clock them, one is about 16 seconds longer than the other. I asked Boris about all this btw, but he couldn't remember. JW # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:23:58 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Kolmar Subject: (yello) URL for MP3? I accidentally deleted all messages from the Yello list, which included the message I was saving which contained the URL for the MP3 files. Would someone please forward that URL? Many thanks in advance. - --Mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:31:36 +1000 From: c.hull@ento.uq.edu.au (Craig Hull) Subject: (yello) Porsche, fashion and Yello Just thought I would share my Yello experience. Last night I managed to get along to the local launch of the new Porsche 911. Afterwards was a fashion show, and the first song they put on was "The Race". It certainly made my night (nice music, plus nice models, plus nice cars, plus free beer - what more is there to wish for). At least people in the fashion industry must have good taste (by definition I suppose). But if this is the only exposure that Yello get here, I think it is somewhat wasted on the people that attend such things. Cheers, Craig. - ----------------------------------------------------------- Craig Hull E-mail c.hull@ento.uq.edu.au - ----------------------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:41:25 +0100 From: Bekaert.T@daikin.be Subject: (yello) Audiophile >Sorry Beekie, >but the real audiophiles don't have a CD player only Vinyl ( Notthingham >Acoustic Hyperspace with the Wilson Benisch ACT 2 and Ortofon Vero ) >Frans. I must agree. This is why people would pay a lot of money for old & good vinyl. Sadly/Luckely enough i'm not a part of this crowd. These are the same people who would go for a tube amplifier. The whole reason of it is to give the music a warmer feeling. Still, my education leaves me with the conclusion that what they are looking for is not what the artist was offering. But for arguments sake, if this is the encyclopedic definition of an audiophile, I must decline my position as one of them. Sniff, Beekie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:12:55 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= Subject: (yello) Thanks to Bonzo God job Bonzo!! AOOO, I was the only one who voted for Tied Up as number one. Do I win a prize ???? ;-)))))). Maybe there is a point in the remix of Tied Up theory. My favourite is absolutely Tied up In Red (but I did vote for Tied Up). To console all of you ( ;-) )who didn't get their number one to be THE number one, I must admit that the rest of my votes did lousy. I only managed to get one of them among the top ten, and one didn't even make the top 60. Here are my votes and their placing within brackets. 1. Tied Up (1) 2. Call It Love (18) 3. Smile On You (20) 4. On Track (8) 5. Pumping Velvet (33) 6. Let Me Cry (14) 7. Capri Calling (39) 8. Suite 909 (45) 9. Blue Green ( - ) 10. Domingo (48) If I remember correctly, To The Sea was not well recieved among list members when it came out, so I was a bit surprised to find it as high as 23. But maybe they liked the version on the album better, I know that I did. I was also a bit surprised not to find More, Bimbo or Swing among the top 60 or almost any instrumental stuff. Another way to look at it is to see how many songs were picked from the different albums among the top 60 regardles of its placing. Then the album list would look like this. Number of songs within brackets. 1.Baby (8) 2.One Second (7) Stella (7) Zebra (7) 5.Gotta Say Yes.. (6) Claro Que Si (6) Pocket Universe (6) 8.Flag (5) 9.Solid Pleasure (3) But if you then consider how many songs there are on each album and puts that in relation to the number of songs picked. The list would look something like this. Percentage of songs within brackets. Oh, I didn't count Two Worlds since it only appears on a casset, The remix of To The Sea and L'hotel since the last one only appears on the CD version. 1.Baby (80%) 2.One Second (70%) 3.Stella (64%) Zebra (64%) 5.Flag (62%) 6.Claro Que Si (60%) 7.Pocket Univerce (55%) 8.Gotta Say Yes (50%) 9.Solid Pleasure (21%) Should we do a servey of how we rank their albums? I could take care of it if anyone's interested. Not counting compilation or tribute albums, my ranking would be. 1. Stella 2. Pocket Universe 3. Baby 4. You Gotta Say... 5. Claro Que Si 6. Flag 7. One Second 8. Solid Pleasure 9. Zebra Regards Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 15:06:59 CET From: "Henrik Betnér" Subject: (yello) Album ranking >Should we do a servey of how we rank their albums? I could take care >of it if anyone's interested. > >Regards >Eric > Please do, Eric! I'd be as delighted as I was by the track survey. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:03:26 +0200 From: Juhana K Kouhia Subject: Re: (yello) Thanks to Bonzo >From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= > >5. Pumping Velvet (33) The extended version is kick ass when played loud. It just is good for disco. For example, Pinball Cha Cha is good but it just doesn't work that good in dance place. Another kick ass is You Gotta Say Yes To Another Excess (Extended). It is quite different from the album version and has very great drum beat suitable for playing loud. How many of you have not heard of that extended version? I may put it available as MP3 if you would like to hear it ASAP. It got place 39 but it is better than that, IMHO. Yours, Juhana # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:40:36 +0100 From: Joakim Skog Subject: Re: (yello) Thanks to Bonzo >>From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= >> >>5. Pumping Velvet (33) > >The extended version is kick ass when played loud. It just is good >for disco. For example, Pinball Cha Cha is good but it just doesn't >work that good in dance place. Wow! I've totally missed that there is a extended mix of Pumping velvet. That one I must have! Anyone seen it on MP3? /Joakim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:44:12 +1100 From: "Wolfgang Schwarz" Subject: (yello) ...gotta be smart Hello! I just uploaded a kind of noise to Shane's FTP-space, since I seem to be the only one on the list who has ever heard Dieter singing "You gotta be smart...". Hereby I wish to apologize the horrible quality of the MP3: That track was broadcast somewhen a few years ago (around 1992) by Swiss Radio DRS3. I didn't hear it, but a friend of mine did and he recorded the last few beats on tape - obviously without recognizing that it's clipping like hell. Later I asked the radio station about the song but they couldn't tell me much apart from that it was Yello recorded in a "Dylan session"... I did some denoising and declicking on it but it's still terrible. cu, Wolfgang. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 15:43:15 +0200 From: Marko Patsikka Subject: (yello) Billy's baby "clip" :-) Hi!! Just telling that Billy Mackenzie's "Baby" is available in http://www.utu.fi:80/~eihapa/yello/yel-eng.htm Song is written by B.Mackenzie/B.Blank produced by B.Blank (8 bit wav-file) - -Marko- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:28:17 +0100 From: "Bo Andersen" <851ba@image.dk> Subject: (yello) Haunted House Is up there, at Rocket Rangers ftp-site # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 17:16:56 -0600 From: "Rocket Ranger" Subject: (yello) FTP-Site Down Temporarly My FTP-Site Appears to Be Not Responding. I Will Call One of my partners in Crime, and Have Them Reset it. Sorry About the Inconveince, should Be Up Within a Couple of Hours. HATE COMPUTERS!!! Shane Foss of FTP-Space (The Server is 1.5 Hours Away from My Home SUCKS!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 18:26:13 EST From: FGriego@aol.com Subject: (yello) Mystery 10" Hello, I mentioned previously that I ran an ad for Yello items and posted the results of same about a week ago. One item that I did not mention is a mystery. The record shop that responded offered the recycled watch plus a Dutch 10" picture disc for the song "Tomorrow." Having never heard of such a Yello song I wrote back and requested more information. To date they have not replied. (snail mail only way I had of contacting them). Considering the watch offer, one would think they have some clue that it would be Yello and not some other band whose name uses the color in it's title. The asking price was near $200 and the claim was"mega-rare". Stay tuned as we see how this unfolds. All the Best, FG PS found a Mars Laser recording today @ 2nd hand shop. Thanx for the tip. 8^-} # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 18:26:13 EST From: FGriego@aol.com Subject: (yello) Mystery 10" Hello, I mentioned previously that I ran an ad for Yello items and posted the results of same about a week ago. One item that I did not mention is a mystery. The record shop that responded offered the recycled watch plus a Dutch 10" picture disc for the song "Tomorrow." Having never heard of such a Yello song I wrote back and requested more information. To date they have not replied. (snail mail only way I had of contacting them). Considering the watch offer, one would think they have some clue that it would be Yello and not some other band whose name uses the color in it's title. The asking price was near $200 and the claim was"mega-rare". Stay tuned as we see how this unfolds. All the Best, FG PS found a Mars Laser recording today @ 2nd hand shop. Thanx for the tip. 8^-} # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 20:22:56 +0200 From: Marko Patsikka Subject: (yello) More about Billy's Baby >Just telling that Billy Mackenzie's "Baby" is available in >http://www.utu.fi:80/~eihapa/yello/yel-eng.htm > >Song is written by B.Mackenzie/B.Blank produced by B.Blank > >(8 bit wav-file) Hi!! I got so many questions, so I specify a bit... I mentioned earlier that this Baby is "clip". Actually it is full version, that's why clip is quoted. I think that one release these wav-files he doing something illegal, maybe I was little bit too careful. :-) I have to tell that I don't know how can I put it on FTP site! Anyway, there is full version at my web site. They released this 7" single track in Billy Mackenzie's solo album Outernational lp Circa UK-92 ?? cd Circa UK-92 + -94 CIRCD-22 By the way there is quite large Yello related discography in my site, check it out! :-) - -Marko- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 08:10:11 GMT/BST From: nic Subject: RE: (yello) Audiophile Hi I'd describe myself as an audiophile and I'd like to make a point or two, that will hopefully bring it back on topic! I have a vinyl playing system Dual CS505 and an Ortofon MC3. I also have a CD system, a digital transport, and a discrete D to A converter, a hybrid (bitstream/multibit) decoder. Some stuff is just not available on vinyl anymore, music is analogue, it's not my choice, but some modern digital recordings are OK, well mastered. There are a *HUGE* number of badly mastered digital recordings. Look at the number of digital remasters going around, why could they not master properly in the first place? I own both Yello vinyl and CDs. I regret to say, that when comparing the CD to the vinyl, the CD mastering is frankly terrible, particularly on the earlier stuff, claro que se, solid pleasure, you gotta say yes and stella. on CD those albums sound dull, there is no detail, there is more background dither (hiss) than actual music at the HF end. the stereo image is poor. remember I am using better than your average CD player. For those albums, the music only comes alive on vinyl. The remaining albums are 'average' in comparison. The exception, but I have not heard it on vinyl, is probably pocket universe. on CD, dynamically it does stand out. I really think that polygram/mercury, who seem to be responsible for the mastering of yello's CDs have done them a serious injustice. I know I'm saying that most of you who just have the CDs, own bad (legal!) recordings. You don't have the choice of what to listen to, I do. I would like to see the music's owners producing a remastered set of the old recordings, plus the rare stuff. And remember, there are 1000's of CDs in this position. I only buy either remastered or new CDs if I can't get what I want on vinyl. CD has been a disappointment to me. It's not the technology, it's how the people responsible for releasing the music have just not cared. nic - -- - -- We are the architects, not the victims, of our own destiny -- - -- nic nic at python.demon.co.uk http://www.python.demon.co.uk/ -- - -- Bolton, UK website http://www.bolton.ac.uk/bolton/ -- - -- Digital Equipment VAX hardware running OpenVMS/X-Windows-Motif -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 09:44:54 CET From: "Henrik Betnér" Subject: (yello) Claro que si-questions Hi everybody! I have some linquistical questions regarding "Claro que si", that I hope that you can help me (and perhaps some others?) with: 1. What does "Claro que si" mean? 2. In what language is "Cuad el habib" sung? 3. What does "Cuad el habib" mean?" Hope you can help me out! Bye! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:36:42 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= Subject: RE: (yello) ...gotta be smart and more. > Hello! > >I just uploaded a kind of noise to Shane's FTP-space, since I seem to >be the only one on the list who has ever heard Dieter singing "You >gotta be smart...". Does anyone have any more info about this and also, the interviev with Dr. van Steiner. Where does it come from ? Regards Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:47:30 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= Subject: (yello) Album ranking Hi again. Ok, I've had some requests so I'll be happy to make a survey on how you rank Yello albums. I was thinking that it only should contain their original albums and not tribute albums or compilation albums. I'll do it by giving your number one 1point, number two 2 points and so on. The album with the lowest points will be no 1. If you also have any special comments on your total ranking or any special album feel free to add them (like why this album is the number one or why this album is your lowest ranking). Please mail your ranking to me personally and I will present it hopefully in the middle of next week. That is if I get enough response so it will make any reason. Regards Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 12:59:08 +0300 From: "Dmitry Shtilerman" Subject: Re: (yello) Claro que si-questions Hi! >1. What does "Claro que si" mean? My colleague from Schweiz who speaks (more or less) many european languages, says that "Claro que si" is Spanish for "Clear as yes!". This means "absolutely clear". >2. In what language is "Cuad el habib" sung? In Arabic. Inside my "Claro Que Si" CD cover there is a funny transcription. There is also scanned image of this text on Barry's site: http://www.primenet.com/~spork/yello/albums/claro/ouad.gif >3. What does "Cuad el habib" mean?" I recall there was extensive discussion about that on this list. Basically, even Arabic-speaking people can't agree on the meaning of this title, because in different dialects of Arabic it means different things. SY, Dmitry - --- Dmitry Shtilerman, REKSoft Ltd. E-Mail: mouse@reksoft.ru Phone: +7-(812)-325-2100 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:19:22 +0100 From: Bekaert.T@daikin.be Subject: (yello) Audiophile I hope everybody listened to what Nic said. A while ago I posted a question to Jonas about white noise on most Yello CD's. This is the same as the hissing Nic is talking about. It is extremely recognisable in the beginning of "Zebra" but I think there is one track who is almost killed by it. Listen to all possible versions of 'Stalakdrama'. I recal to have a version where the scream is sharp enough to go right to the bone. Sadly, I can't find it back. It's on tape and came from LP. All I know is that the CD and CD-rom version are horrible. Instead of a death cry, she's cheering. Some people must be made clear that this is not the way to treat music. Heads must roll. Please follow me in a great uproar against bad quality. Remember, Boris and Dieter can't help it. I am sure the original is quite perfect. Some idiot at the record company makes mistakes like on the Hubble telescope. (Not enough focus) Or we must chuck away our NAD (expensive CD-player). Read ya, Beekie P.S. If you get this mail and the font is red, I couldn't change it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:01:21 +0200 From: Juhana K Kouhia Subject: Re: (yello) Claro que si-questions >From: "Henrik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Betn=E9r"?= > >2. In what language is "Cuad el habib" sung? >3. What does "Cuad el habib" mean?" Ouad el Habib. Lyrics are available from various Yello pages. Juhana # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:03:34 +0200 From: Juhana K Kouhia Subject: Re: (yello) ...gotta be smart and more. >Does anyone have any more info about this and also, the interviev with >Dr. van Steiner. Where does it come from ? Must be from MTV Europe show. I have it on video tape -- very funny! Juhana # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 14:22:49 +0100 From: Andreas Andersson <95aa@ryp76.ryp.umu.se> Subject: (yello) Mp3's Hi, I've uploaded some stuff to the rare Yello database: Another Race (Magician's Version For Tempest & Cottet) The Race (Sporting Mix) Jingle Bells (Santa Club Mix) - superb!! Live At The Roxy (14 MB) - I've tried to upload this before but lost the connection after 3 MB. Rubberbandman (Extended) Suite 904 (Single Version) Wall Street Bongo Vicious Games (12" Version) Vicious Games (Instrumental) Remixes: S'Express - Theme From S'Express (Clearly Bostich in the background) Ruffneck (feat. Yavahn) - Everybody Be Somebody - (Bostich) I've also uploaded two soundclips from the European MTV show, where Yello performed and interview with dr Van Steiner (Dieter asking the questions and Boris answering with his samples) and the only "Yello Medley ever played"! I used to have this on VHS but I accidently erased it, so if anyone out there got it and would like to send me a copy I'd be very grateful. /Andreas _________________________________ Andreas Andersson bostich@ts.umu.se http://www.ts.umu.se/~bostich _________________________________ Skyttegatan 20 B, S-981 37 Kiruna tfn: 0980-83312 _________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:10:50 +0200 From: Juhana K Kouhia Subject: (yello) White noise >From: Bekaert.T@daikin.be > >This is the same as the hissing Nic is talking about. >It is extremely recognisable in the beginning of "Zebra" My friend thought the hissing came to the beginning of Zebra from effect devices. I mean, it would be natural to expect hiss after heavy processing. But it is odd anyway. The hiss should not be there! What about the CD singles having other versions of the Suite? Has they similar hiss? But anyway, as written when Zebra came out, it was badly printed anyway. The CDs sold here in Finland have many clicks. I have one clear and many small ones (you have to pay attention to them before hearing them). Physically the Zebra disc looks like it is used as a brake disc in the car wheels --- the center has circular tracks from physical dress. I'm sure it is mastered poorly. But I have no idea who masters the Yello discs, Boris himself? Jonas could ask that as well along with the noise questions. >Some idiot at the record company makes mistakes like on the Hubble >telescope. (Not enough focus) Lets hang them high!! :-) >P.S. If you get this mail and the font is red, I couldn't change it. Very good joke. I didn't knew us-ascii can deliver colors too! Lets send white text on white background to each other, right? Heheheee. Juhana # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 01:47:52 -0700 MST From: sasanborn@micron.com Subject: (yello) FWD:Want List ---------- Start of forwarded message ---------- Message# 639249 Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:01:50 -0700 MST From: SASANBORN To: SASANBORN Subject: Want List Hi there. I'm really interested in checking out some musick by the following bands listed below, I know not all of them would be considered the style of this list, but if anybody out there has any of this and could maybe swap me a tape of some, or just give me a description of what the group is like, I'd be most appreciative. Thanx. You can email me at sasanborn@micron.com Asha Vida Azusa Plane Bevis Frond Electric Frankenstein Faust Flying Saucer Attack Fretless AZM Fuxa Ghost Glide Keiji Haino-Fushitsusha High Rise The Joykiller Legendary Pink Dots ( I've only got 2 of their cd's) Manic Street Preachers Ruins Saints 7% Solution Transient Waves Wesley Willis YBO2-Alienation Yellow Magic Orchestra Zodiac # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:56:06 -0600 From: "Rocket Ranger" Subject: (yello) MP3 Encoding Tools Hi All, I Have Designated a Location on the Site for Images of Good Utilities. Included under This Directory is MP3Stuff. Here You Will Find the Utils I Use for My Encodes (128Kers\256Kers). Help-YourSelf and Thanks Again for Your Rare Yello and New Music Uploads!!!!! Keep-Em Comin!!!! They Have Been GREAT Sooo Far!!!!! Later Then, Shane of FTP-Space Access to DIR for Browser People Replace the ~ with d:\images in the URL String (LAST Spot) Thoe with FTP-Clients: Chdir to d:\images ok then # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:57:57 -0800 From: "Rick Saal" Subject: (yello) Pocket Universe -- When it rains it pours When it rains it pours. As a resident of Palo Alto, CA with sandbags at my doors, this phrase has never been more appropriate. More to the point though, my search for a copy of Pocket Universe has resulted in my being sent two copies from internet cd cos. Although I am able to return one copy for a refund, I thought I'd check first to see if anyone out there has been looking for a copy. I may have paid too much, but it cost me a total of $35.07 ($28.47+2.35 tax+4.25 s&h). The cd contains the bonus track "To the Sea." This list is awesome. Keep up the good work, y'all. Thanks. Rick Saal (racingcars@mindspring.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 19:12:23 EST From: FGriego@aol.com Subject: Re: (yello) Claro que si-questions In a message dated 98-02-06 03:47:05 EST, you write: << 1. What does "Claro que si" mean? >> The reply I read previously is casically correct. One might use this expression to positively affirm something another has said as in, "this is true", "it certainly is", "for sure", "It is clearly so". Moving to the U.S. south: "you got that right", "roger that", "ain't no doubt about it" and so on. Based on tone and usage it can mean near as many things as , "forget about it" in New York speak (see Donnie Brasco for explanation of this term). Now that I think of it, they can in fact be interchangeable in some situations. " 'Claro Que Si' a good song?-forget about it" (meaning -"undoubtable you needn't even say") Salma Hayek's a knockout? Claro que si ! Regards, FG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 02:00:37 +0100 From: martino decarolis Subject: Re: (yello) White noise Juhana K Kouhia wrote: >I'm sure it is mastered poorly. But I have no idea who masters the Yello >discs, Boris himself? Jonas could ask that as well along with the noise >questions. I remember that Boris said in an interview (I have it on tape; I'll search it...!) that he had problems with the earth contact in his new (interview was in the early 90) studio; this could be a plausible explanation for white noise, could it? Regards, Martino _____________________________ martino decarolis mailto:mdecarolis@datacomm.ch _____________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:07:32 -0600 From: "Robert" Subject: (yello) Some rarities on the FTP site... Greetings again! I am in the process of uploading some new Yello rarities for you all to enjoy. The first, and my personal favourite rarity, is this certain remix of Bostich from 1991/1992 era - actual Yello remix (at least, the credits on the CD says it's Yello). It's a very "ravey" remix. Worth the listen! (I also encoded it at 192kbit/sec to preserve audio quality). Filename: "[Yello] Bostich (New Life Mix).mp3" Encoded: 192kbps Perhaps you've all seen/heard about the ReWATCH company that Dieter owns. Well, I actually own a ReWATCH. I bought the "special edition" in the tin case with the free CD. The CD contains four mixes of a song called "Crash Dance". Vocals were done by Dieter. Interesting industrial type of music. Filename: "[Industrial Sound Orchestra] Crash Dance (A Day in April).mp3" Encoded: 128kbps All songs are complete with ID3 tags, CRC checks, and high quality mode. All songs in: /w:/mp3's/high quality (44.1khz@256kbps)/yello/rare yello uploads/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 20:50:28 -0800 From: Christopher Cook Subject: (yello) New Yello mixes!!! Tonight I wandered in my local vinyl shop and was riffling through the new shipment looking for some new choice drum and bass tracks. What I found was something entirely different: HARDFLOOR vs. YELLO- VICIOUS GAMES. So it has: 1. Hardfloor remix (the usual 303 acid business) 2. remixed by boris and olaf wollschlaeger (nice! and different sounding) 3. vorsprung durch technik remix (incredible almost ambient mix! The best V.G. mix ever in my opinion) Basically a very solid release apparently availible on CD as well. The best part is this is only the beginning. The fine print says this is part 1 of a 3 part edition. I'll be on the lookout for the rest of them and post about whatever I find. Good luck to everyone else with finding these! Must-have Yello fans (likely everyone here) e-mail me if you would like me to pick up any additional copies if I find them. Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 20:57:48 GMT/BST From: nic Subject: RE: (yello) White noise >>From: Bekaert.T@daikin.be >>It is extremely recognisable in the beginning of "Zebra" > >From: Juhana >My friend thought the hissing came to the beginning of Zebra from >effect devices. I mean, it would be natural to expect hiss after >heavy processing. I'll try not to be too technical explaining this.... The problem with a digital sound system, if it's a sampler or a CD recording, will have a problem when the bits 'switch', perfect silence is 0 (zero) of course. next up is 1. This would be heard as a digital click. If you have a sound recorded digitally which is on the threshold of silence or sound (0 or 1) then this 'clicking' will result. The way they get around it is to introduce 'dither' which is white noise, hiss, which stops the value ever dropping to 0, but it will be heard. when they do this, they should also add pre-emphasis to the recording, a bit like the Dolby-B system for tapes, to quieten the high frequency. A few CD players indicate this when pre-emphasis is used. In the case of Zebra, I think the sampler used for the bass was a bit noisy, same reasons, different source. >I'm sure it is mastered poorly. But I have no idea who masters the Yello >discs, Boris himself? Jonas could ask that as well along with the noise >questions. A record company droid masters them at Mercury/Polygram. In some cases I believe that the tape has deteriorated, and rather than spend time cleaning the tape (yes this does happen, I know someone who works in a tape archive), and clean the tape heads every few minutes, they turn down the high frequency response. In some cases I know that each country makes it's own digital master from the analogue source, I have no idea why this is so, maybe legal reasons. Personally I'd rather have the hiss than a dull sound. Remastering usually goes back to the original multitracks, reproducing the mix, and using a high resolution digital sampling system (24 bit typically) and this is then processed down to 16 bit, with the dither or hiss being made from the 8 'discarded' bits for the 16 bit recording. (that is an over simplification). In case you are wondering, yes there is audible hiss on records. You can often hear the master tape start and stop, over the actual surface noise of vinyl. Sometimes it's possible to hear the high pitch recording bias of the tape machine as it gets up to speed. As a matter of interest, many vinyl systems are supplied with poor, dull sounding cartridges. My personal preference is Ortofon, the moving magnet cartridges are as bright sounding as the moving coil (I have MC-3). I find Shure and Stanton cartridges to be very dull in comparison, as well as the lower end Goldring carts. >>Some idiot at the record company makes mistakes like on the Hubble >>telescope. (Not enough focus) Not just Yello recordings, but most nearly all of the 'reissued' vinyl on CD. However, also bear in mind I also have vinyl which has been poorly mastered and sounds bad, but it's the exception rather than the rule. It would be great if Boris would sit in and supervise a remastering project. Their early music deserves to be treated with respect. nic - -- - -- We are the architects, not the victims, of our own destiny -- - -- nic nic at python.demon.co.uk http://www.python.demon.co.uk/ -- - -- Bolton, UK website http://www.bolton.ac.uk/bolton/ -- - -- Digital Equipment VAX hardware running OpenVMS/X-Windows-Motif -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ End of yello-digest V2 #22 **************************