From: owner-yello-digest@lists.xmission.com (yello-digest) To: yello-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: yello-digest V2 #24 Reply-To: yello-digest Sender: owner-yello-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-yello-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes yello-digest Thursday, February 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 024 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:54:39 +1100 From: "Simon McBurney" Subject: (yello) (Yello) Cleanup Music Hey, if anyone has very old Yello stuff which comes off Vinyl or is of very bad quality, I have a rather good "MUSIC RESTORATION PROGRAM", which I'm sure some of you might want to use. If you have anything you want restored, then let me know. I might have a go at some of the stuff off the Rare Yello Track FTP server. Hope I can help. Simon McBurney # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:41:27 CET From: "Henrik Betnér" Subject: Re: (yello) Stina vs Shirley >>Second the Chick in "To the Sea", Well I'll Just Say She Sure >>makes Me Long for Shirley Bassey. > >Long for Shirley Bassey? Come on! She's an "ageing relic" who >appeared on what is probably Yello's worst song - The Rythm Divine. >Stina Nordenstam & Shirley Bassey? - no contest, Stina wins hands >down. > OK! Please hold your hammers! Let's not start another piefight over a subjective matter, like who's the best guest-vocalist. We'll never get along, anyway! At least let's keep it between each other and off the list, eh? Stay soft! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:25:48 CET From: "Henrik Betnér" Subject: Re: (yello) two unknown!? promo's >And other one: > >cdmx..Mercury..UK 24.08.-92..MERCD-376..press stickered promo, coloured >disc > > 1.Jungle Bill.....3:50.....Single Version.....Remix by BORIS BLANK=20 > 2.Jungle Bill.....6:22.....Big Pig Shuffle.....Remix by BORIS BLANK=20 > 3.Jungle Bill.....7:59.....Space Shuffle......Remix by BORIS BLANK=20 > 4.Jungle Bill.....8:24.....Voodoo Fudge Mix......Remix by BORIS BLANK=20 > 5.Jungle Bill.....8:39.....Chicken Dive Mix......Remix by BORIS BLANK > >- Sleeve to Go! Big-Active >- Different sleeve and disc than German issues. There is only text using >green/yellow/red colours. >- There is two stickers on sleeve, one with text: >"Promo only not for sale. Vertigo and associated labels. 081 741 1212 >Release date 24 Aug 1992" >- And second is press release sticker with text: >"Jungle Bill is the new single from Yello taken from their latest album >Baby which appears here in a new re-mix form. This single will be >featured along with 15 other classics such as The Race, Oh Yeah and >Rhythm Divine on the forthcoming Essential Yello compilation due for >release at the end on September. Jungle Bill is released on Aug >24th;watch out for the groovy dance re-mixes on the cd."=20 > I'm sorry but there's nothing new with this one, is it? It's just a promo version of the Jungle Bill-remix single, with the same remixes as the standard single. The "To the sea"-single must be a standard radiopromo-single. Most radiostations gets singles with only one song on it, so that they won't get the option to choose another version/track on it. It stinks, but unfortunately, most of record industry does... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:51:29 -0000 From: "James Gillett" Subject: (yello) To The Sea Hi all, I haven't checked the FTP site yet, but is the 'Bangin' Mix' of To The Sea up there? I'm sure it would be greatly appreciated. Yours, James Gillett gilletts@enterprise.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:48:42 +0200 From: Juhana K Kouhia Subject: Re: (yello) (Yello) Cleanup Music >From: "Simon McBurney" > >if anyone has very old Yello stuff which comes off Vinyl or is of very bad >quality, I have a rather good "MUSIC RESTORATION PROGRAM", which I'm sure What means "rather good" in this case? Have you somehow tested the program? What were results? Is the program some shareware? Commercial? By respectable company? Ok, I'm critical and comments like "if you don't like it, don't use it" are not applicable. Can you remove the quiet but numerous pops from "The Race (Sporting Mix)"? How the program does its job? That info should be available for you. People want good quality but I don't see pretty much reason for that. I wait until the vinyl rarities are rereleased officially. Until then I'm satisfied with the existing quality. About the bit rate. Original material is often poor. There is no reason to make 256 kbps mpeg of the C cassette copy because there is no high freqs on the tape. Some vinyls on mp3s like "The Race (Sporting Mix)" sound like they are poorly handled. No vinyl in my collection sound that crispy. :-) There is no sense to expect good quality miracles coming out of such source material. However, high pitched pops and clicks on the source makes the mpeg encoder work poorly. You actually have to use higher bit rate. I'm sure most of people don't know what they are doing. Coders and other advanced stuff are just black boxes. Specially the "gottabe.mp3" ("Gotta be smart") sounds terrible because, as I see it, mpeg encoder simply cannot encode it. It is beyond encoder's limits. What encoders you use? I have read warnings about Xing products. Fraunhofer-IIS ($$$/warez) and MPEG committee's example implementation (public domain) are only ones I will use. Do you test your encoder against other encoders before you use it? I would like to know with what mpeg encoder the "gottabe.mp3" (128kbps) was made because it sounds like 64 kbps of the encoder I use. Though, I'm not sure if the distortions came from the noise removing programs used for it. Perhaps we could test the cleaning program with the original audio of "Gotta be Smart". I would like to have the original audio "as is" with all clicks and noises. Many mpegs are "joint-stereo" -- what it means? I use "stereo" just in case joint-stereo is taking too much stereo effects away. Anyone know how the joint-stereo really affects? Well, I simply will wait for the official rarities release. And if it is released, I will only use time to clean-up those songs which were not released. I agree with a previous writer who suggested some readme file such that we know what already are converted to mp3. It could be a html file with links to songs in the ftp directory. Yours, Juhana # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:55:17 +0100 From: Bekaert.T@daikin.be Subject: (yello) Homework Everybody, take your "New mix in one go" and listen to track 3 'The evening's young'. Do not listen to the rest of the CD. If it has been a while, you might feel the song has changed. Read ya, Beekie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:04:09 +0100 From: "decen.svensson" Subject: (yello) 3 questions - -----Does anyone know if Boris & Dieter have any e-mail? Are they possibly attending at this mailing list? Who is Patrizia Fontana? Three big questions in my life! If anyone could answer them I would be much happier. Daniel Svensson # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:12:35 +0200 From: Marko Patsikka Subject: Re: (yello) two unknown!? promo's > I'm sorry but there's nothing new with this one, is it? It's just a > promo version of the Jungle Bill-remix single, with the same remixes as > the standard single. Now I get it, I taught that also UK issues have same painted sleeves as German issues. > The "To the sea"-single must be a standard > radiopromo-single. Most radiostations gets singles with only one song > on it, so that they won't get the option to choose another > version/track on it. It stinks, but unfortunately, most of record > industry does... That's new for me. When I used to be a dance club DJ I get all real stuff, but radiosatation business I don't know anything ...actually now I know a little bit! But I think that these radio promo is quite funny piece in my Yello collection. :-) - -Makke- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Marko Pätsikkä, Nuolemontie 17 A3, 21420 Lieto, +358-(0)50-554 0836 mailto:mapatsik@lieto.fi cars, music and much more... check it out!! http://www.utu.fi/~eihapa/ - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Marko Pätsikkä, Nuolemontie 17 A3, 21420 Lieto, +358-(0)50-554 0836 mailto:mapatsik@lieto.fi cars, music and much more... check it out!! http://www.utu.fi/~eihapa/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:58:41 +0100 From: "Jonas Warstad" Subject: SV: (yello) 3 questions >-----Does anyone know if Boris & Dieter have any e-mail? They don't. >Are they possibly attending at this mailing list? No way. >Who is Patrizia Fontana? Boris' woman. >Three big questions in my life! If anyone could answer them I would be much >happier. Hoppas det... :-) JW # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:25:58 -0600 From: "Rocket Ranger" Subject: (yello) MP3 Quality Issues AnyOne on the List Actually interested in the Quality Issues Associated with the MP3 Compression Format. Check out www.mp3bench.com An Excellant Site Devoted to the OverAll Quality of the Format, and Lask There Of. 128Ks are Known Ugly in the MP3 World, Especially When Encoded in the QUICK Modes Which is the Prefeered By Most People. Most People Don't Give a Rat's Ass About Quality!! All My Yello is 256K Due to the Nasty Results I Had with All 128K Processes with Their Material. Could Not Stand Them!!! Also Take Into Consideration the Sound-Card That's Grunting These Encodes. The Consumer Level Sound Cards That We Use for PlayBack are Far from AudioPhile or Even Basic CD-Quality Standards. Their Basically nasty for PlayBack. (DACs and Analog Output Sections SUCK!!) Jump on this Sitefor More Info on Testing Done on These Cards. www.rockpark.com Later Shane Foss # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:29:02 EST From: ARWales@aol.com Subject: Re: (yello) Stina vs Shirley In a message dated 10/02/98 08:43:32 GMT, you write: << OK! Please hold your hammers! Let's not start another piefight over a subjective matter, like who's the best guest-vocalist. >> I can't but help agree with this. "The Rhythm Divine" anyway, featured a considerable contribution from the late Billy Mackenzie who wrote the lyrics and provided backing vocals. In that sense it's not a typical Yello track anyway and I also have a recollection of it being performed in the UK on "Wogan" (a UK prime-time chat show of the day), pretty much as a Shirley Bassey number with Boris and Dieter remaining very much in the background. Stina Nordenstam is a very different kind of artiste to Miss Bassey, indeed a better comparison would be with Bjork (and that's not simple because of their shared Northern European origins but more to do with the very singular and original nature of their work). As a fan of Stina's long before her Yello collaboration I was sad to see the way some contributors to this list seem happy to trivialise her as an individual. Of her three albums, the last two "Dynamite" and "And She Closed Her Eyes" are really pretty exceptional pieces of work - as a quick listen to "I see you again" from the latter album should prove. Before "To the Sea" she also collaborated with Vangelis on a single "Ask the Mountains" which I'd be surprised if it didn't appeal to more than a few people on this list. To me the consistent quality of those people who Boris and Dieter have chosen to work with is simply a measure of their good taste in these matters and little is to be gained by spurious comparisons as to who's better than who - just enjoy the music. By the way I personally am getting a little weary of the amount of mail I am receiving about technicalities relating to sound files etc., is this really strictly relevant to the purposes of this list ? Andrew Wales ARWales@aol.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:54:27 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Kolmar Subject: (yello) new files coming I'm in the process of uploading these: Call it Love (Trego Snare) Goldrush I Goldrush II Oh Yeah (Indian Summer Version) Rubberband Man (Rubber Version) All high-quality 128K MPEG Layer-3 from CDs. I intend to encode a few tracks from vinyl shortly, such as "Tool In Rose" and a couple of extended mixes from _Stella_ and _...Another Excess_. If so, I will clean up the vinyl with Sound Forge, but only if there is really something to be gained sound-wise. So if you were going to encode one of these, let's try not to duplicate our efforts. Particularly if you do not have excellent sound equipment (A/D converter, software, etc.) Anyone interested in stuff like "Tied Up in Africa" or "The Race (Pits Mix)"? (non-Boris mixes but rather good IMO) - --Mark __ < MPEG & RA audio clips > Forthcoming CD SENSELESS on Mindfield Records MINDCD03 Cathartium 14 m u s i c : w e b : s o u n d d e s i g n : h t m l : c g i : e t c "I'm a liberal guy too cool for the macho ache with a secret tooth for the cherry on the cake" -- Prefab Sprout, "Cruel" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:09:04 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Kolmar Subject: Re: (yello) Cleanup Music Let me know which of the files are taken from vinyl and/or files which you think are not encoded as well as they should. I have quite a lot of Yello CD singles and 12" vinyl, good playback, and very good digital recording and editing/cleanup. Also the real Fraunhofer encoder. I'll give preference to tracks which are not already on the server (see last message), but after that I'm willing to re-do some that may not have turned out as well as people hoped. (If I have the track, naturally...) - --Mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:17:10 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Kolmar Subject: Re: (yello) (Yello) Cleanup Music > Can you remove the quiet but numerous pops from "The Race (Sporting Mix)"? > How the program does its job? That info should be available for you. Was this from the "Nuns on the Run" promo? If so, I have a US promo CDS which I can encode in no time. I'll take a closer look. As I recall, the disc contains at least a "Swiss Mix" and "Rockamerica Mix" (or something to that effect). Otherwise, what is the source? - --Mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 00:29:37 -0800 From: clark Subject: Re: (yello) Claro que si-questions Chris Norton wrote: > > > > ><< 1. What does "Claro que si" mean? >> > > > > If you listen to the version of "Pinball Cha-Cha" on that album (NOT the > one on "New Mix...", Dieter actually sings something like: > > "Claro que si" is "Yes, and for sure!" .... I was told it meant, "But, of course!" which, I think, fits the song perfectly. Harold Swingin' in Austin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:21:21 CET From: "Henrik Betnér" Subject: (yello) Re: Soundfiles & technophilia > >By the way I personally am getting a little weary of the amount of mail I am >receiving about technicalities relating to sound files etc., is this really >strictly relevant to the purposes of this list ? > >Andrew Wales >ARWales@aol.com > This time it's my turn to say that I totally agree. Since I'm not interested in MP3's and stuff, my suggestion is that those who are could keep contact directly with each other and not via this list. Actually it's quite annoying when half of the incoming yello-mails concern these matters. You guys who're into this soundfile-thing, if you can't keep it between yourselves, then PLEASE keep the amount of mails on the list about this stuff, to a minimum... Now, let's keep YELLing abOut what really matters! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:09:27 EST From: JULZMON@aol.com Subject: Re: (yello) (Yello) Cleanup Music In a message dated 98-02-10 02:56:03 EST, you write: << I have a rather good "MUSIC RESTORATION PROGRAM", whi >> What is it? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:13:28 EST From: JULZMON@aol.com Subject: Re: (yello) To The Sea In a message dated 98-02-10 04:55:06 EST, you write: << I haven't checked the FTP site yet, but is the 'Bangin' Mix' of To The Sea up there? I'm sure it would be greatly appreciated. >> This is my very favorite To The Sea remix! Should have been on the album. Julian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:01:31 +0200 From: Juhana K Kouhia Subject: Re: (yello) new files coming >From: Mark Kolmar > >All high-quality 128K MPEG Layer-3 from CDs. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hehehehe... funny to read this just after Shane's comment on the quality of 128 kbps stuff. The quality doesn't get better even if you write so: "super advanced hyper HiFi CD-ing DVD-ing quality". :-) >so, I will clean up the vinyl with Sound Forge, but only if there is >really something to be gained sound-wise. So if you were going to encode >one of these, let's try not to duplicate our efforts. Particularly if you >do not have excellent sound equipment (A/D converter, software, etc.) I have only cassette copies of some extended versions. By the way, I uploaded the Pumping Velvet (extended) particularly to guy who asked it. I would not worry about the sound quality as long as you use 128 kbps. I used 128 only because I had to carry the thing with 1.4 kb floppy disks. I have 192 kbps at home but 256 kbps is overkill for C cassette copies. I have Jetzt und Alles songs already done. Anyone want them? :-) I have few first songs of the album. I remember one of them is not by Yello but it is quite good anyway (and has been on Dieter's movie). >Anyone interested in stuff like "Tied Up in Africa" or "The Race (Pits >Mix)"? (non-Boris mixes but rather good IMO) Go ahead if you wish. Hmm.. many mixes have unprocessed vocals and extra material just like Pits Mix. Where they get them? I would like to have them. Are they available even as bootleg or such? Yours, Juhana # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:46:22 +0200 From: Juhana K Kouhia Subject: Re: SV: (yello) 3 questions >From: "Jonas Warstad" > >>Who is Patrizia Fontana? > >Boris' woman. Boris and Patrizia are together, say. Juhana # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:21:22 EST From: FGriego@aol.com Subject: Re: (yello) Re: Soundfiles & technophilia In a message dated 98-02-11 09:24:21 EST, random_toxy@hotmail.com writes: << PLEASE keep the amount of mails on the list about this stuff, to a minimum. >> I 3rd it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:33:27 +0200 From: Marko Pätsikkä Subject: Re: (yello) Re: Soundfiles & technophilia > This time it's my turn to say that I totally agree. Since I'm not > interested in MP3's and stuff Those MP3 stuffs are quite weird ones?! :-) BTW, it's very stange that people want real good MP3 quality. I think that it is enough if one could hear some track never has heard before. But collecting MP3's or other copies, I don't get it! IMHO the best way would be to collect original stuff, so all money goes to the artists. On the other hand, how much are MP3's worth? I am ready to record some tracks to Yello fans and help them a bit (I will take sometimes only my charges.. postage + cassette). I do it because I like Yello's music and I know how hard it is to got some stuff. But I really believe that most people still buy original stuff if they can find some, actually I hope so... :-) FYI, I put new wav-file in my site every month and keep it there only one month. I really could do better quality, but 8 bit wav-file is enough in this case! I don't do any MP3 stuff ever!! Happy happy, joy joy !! - -Makke- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Marko Pätsikkä, Nuolemontie 17 A3, 21420 Lieto, +358-(0)50-554 0836 mailto:mapatsik@lieto.fi cars, music and much more... check it out!! http://www.utu.fi/~eihapa/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:37:08 +0200 From: Marko Pätsikkä Subject: (yello) MP3's > This time it's my turn to say that I totally agree. Since I'm not > interested in MP3's and stuff Those MP3 stuffs are quite weird ones?! :-) BTW, it's very stange that people want real good MP3 quality. I think that it is enough if one could hear some track never has heard before. But collecting MP3's or other copies, I don't get it! IMHO the best way would be to collect original stuff, so all money goes to the artists. On the other hand, how much are MP3's worth? I am ready to record some tracks to Yello fans and help them a bit (I will take sometimes only my charges.. postage + cassette). I do it because I like Yello's music and I know how hard it is to got some stuff. But I really believe that most people still buy original stuff if they can find some, actually I hope so... :-) FYI, I put new wav-file in my site every month and keep it there only one month. I really could do better quality, but 8 bit wav-file is enough in this case! I don't do any MP3 stuff ever!! Happy happy, joy joy !! - -Makke- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Marko PÓtsikkÓ, Nuolemontie 17 A3, 21420 Lieto, +358-(0)50-554 0836 mailto:mapatsik@lieto.fi cars, music and much more... check it out!! http://www.utu.fi/~eihapa/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 23:32:24 +0100 From: "decen.svensson" Subject: (yello) Take a look at my homepage - -----If you havent seen it yet why don=B4t take a look at my homepage at http://home6.swipnet.se/~w-65309 it=B4s what can I say, different. By the= way the name Fontana at the back of the album Flag has that anything to do wi= th Patrizia? And you Rocket Ranger you are my hero. Where should I have found theese great songs if it wheren=B4t for you. Daniel Svensson # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:16:12 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Kolmar Subject: Re: (yello) new files coming On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, Juhana K Kouhia wrote: > >From: Mark Kolmar > > > >All high-quality 128K MPEG Layer-3 from CDs. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Hehehehe... funny to read this just after Shane's comment on the > quality of 128 kbps stuff. The quality doesn't get better even if you > write so: "super advanced hyper HiFi CD-ing DVD-ing quality". The point is, I used the slow method. And besides, the PRO encoder does a max. of 128Kbps. I think it is a good compromise between quality and file size. - --Mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:47:39 -0600 From: "Rocket Ranger" Subject: (yello) MP3 Quality Issues It is a Well Known Fact That 128K Encodes Sound VERY Compromised Although I Do Agree for the Purpose of Transfer and Sampling is OK. Far From Actual CD-Quality. Just Listen. Very Obvious, Especially with Music of Yello's Nature. Shane of FTP # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:13:07 -0600 From: "Rocket Ranger" Subject: (yello) ???????? Can Those Not Well With the Fact That Quite a Few on the List Have a Similar Interest in Audio in General, Explain to Us Why the Quantity of Audio-Email Under the List Hurt AnyThing??? Just Curious?? Not Pickin!! Just Real Curious WHY is is Such an Issue?? If it Wasn't for the List, the Things These People have to Share About Audio Would Be VERY Missed By MySelf as Well as Others I Would Suppose?? If I am the Only One Who Feels This Way, I Will Stick to Yello and Crawl Back Into My NON-Rare Owning Hole. SomeDay When I Have Tons of Cash, the Saved Info on This List Pertaining to Rare Availablility Will Come in VERY Handy!!!! Shane of Audio and FTP # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:01:49 -0600 From: "Rocket Ranger" Subject: (yello) What NO AudioPhile Talk?? Huh?? I Thought We Established That We are Audio-Freaks?? I Rather Welcome the Technical and Intelligent Discussions About Audio on the List. It Shows That the Average Yello Fan is Usually NOT Your Standard Listener. The List is Very Busy, and the Disscussion is Tame and Very Good. No Bashing or Bad-Tones, Were All Friends Here. Besides What Deos This Talk Really Hurt?? Yello-Citizens Discuss Stuff in General Works for Me!!! What is the Sysops View on the Matter??? Please Don't Stop the Audio Talk. I Love It. Comments from Marko\ARWales\Juhana\NIC\Beekie and Others are Much Appreciated By My Young AudioPhile Mind. I Never Had the Opportunity to Discover and Understand the Earlier Audio Such as True Analog Mediums. Keep it Up Guys!!!!! Thanks (My 2 or 3 Cents Worth!!) Shane of FTP # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:41:32 +1100 From: "Simon McBurney" Subject: (yello) (Yello) Music Restoration Hello Kiddies :) "YOU BETTER PRINT THIS OUT, IT'S PRETTY HUGE" For all you asking about the Music Restoration stuff I have, here are some details. I have a CD Burner. With It I have a package called, "Easy CD Creator Deluxe Edition". This package include all the standard burning utilities and authuring stuff "PLUS" a little thing called "Spin Doctor". Spin Doctor is a cut down version of a program called "Dart". Dart is a music restoration program that anyone can buy which cleans up music from ANY source. (Well anything that can be put on a PC). The full version of "Dart" can remove clicks, pops, tape hiss, turntable humm and rumble, and almost anything else that make your music sound like shit. The "Spin Doctor" version of "Dart" that I have does ALMOST all these things. It work reasonably well. In that I mean, you have a adjustable sensitivity setting. The more sensitive the more noise it cleans up. and visa-versa. There is one problem but! The more you turn the sensitivity up, the more top end you lose. IE: Really clean song=sounds very muddy. Now of cource, If I had the full version of "Dart", you have many different settings you can play with to eleviate this "Muddiness" problem. It works pretty good. I've recorded a few old 12" singles and I'd say they have improved in sound cleanliness by about 50%. Not perfect, but a hell of alot better than what they were origonally. For me to play with songs and get them as good as I can get, It takes time. A 5:00 minute song can take up to 10 to 15 minutes to clean.(and that only one pass) Also, so it works more effectivly I clean the songs in reverse. By doing this, It (Spin Doctor) can predict where the noise (or click) is going to be. (Sort of like a reverse echo). One more point, I have to convert the MP3 file to WAV format. This is very simple for me, but to do it the other way (WAV-MP3), well I've never done that before. So if anyone wants me to do a particular song and then upload to the FTP server , then I would like if someone could explain to me in detial, what program to use and how to do it. Phew, that was an effort. I hope this helps you guys. please don't hesitate in asking me to do some particular song for you. Lots of love Simon McBurney :) :) :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:14:16 -0600 From: "Johnson, Brock A" Subject: RE: (yello) What NO AudioPhile Talk?? > I Thought We Established That We are Audio-Freaks?? I Rather Welcome > the Technical and Intelligent Discussions About Audio on the List. It Shows > That the Average Yello Fan is Usually NOT Your Standard Listener. The List > is Very Busy, and the Disscussion is Tame and Very Good. No Bashing or > Bad-Tones, Were All Friends Here. > I agree with Rocket Ranger... we are not run-of-the-mill people when it comed to Music tastes. I see no harm, really I see much good in the quality discussion. I am new to the Yello list, however, I know how important quality is when listening to Yello. TheRock # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:25:55 +1100 From: "Simon McBurney" Subject: (yello) FTP Hi ! Hey whats the chances of making the ftp server support resuming. This is due getting constanly diconnect at about half way through downloading somg and having to start ALL OVER AGAIN. Very frustrating. Let us know ta Simon McBurney # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:35:17 +0300 From: "Dmitry Shtilerman" Subject: Re: (yello) FTP Hi! >Hey whats the chances of making the ftp server support resuming. >This is due getting constanly diconnect at about half way through >downloading somg and having to start ALL OVER AGAIN. >Very frustrating. Two notes. First, to Simon - you really should consider changing your FTP client if yours currently used is unable to do reget. Ranger's server, by the way, fully supports reget feature. Second, a part - if someone grants me free access to his/her collection of goodies, it is my personal problem to get there. Anyway, no flame. SY, Dmitry - --- Dmitry Shtilerman, REKSoft Ltd. E-Mail: mouse@reksoft.ru Phone: +7-(812)-325-2100 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 01:38:05 -0600 From: "Rocket Ranger" Subject: (yello) Thanks!! Just Want to Thanks THEROCK for Helpin Me Out Hear!!!! Thanks!!! Shane of FTP # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:44:59 -0600 From: "Rocket Ranger" Subject: (yello) FTP-SITE NOTES for New Users Yello Has Yello-List Invite Only FTP-Site!!!! You Are All Welcome to Visit the Site. We All Do Frown on a Few Things While Welcoming Other Practices......... -You Will Notice Upon Login the Yello Home-DIR Which Deos Contain Allready Released and Very Easy to Get Yello Tracks. These Tracks are for Those of Us Who Want to Introduce Non-Yello Listeners to Their Wonderful Work. OR If Let Say You Borrowed Your Copy of "BABY" and "ON THE RUN" Now Has a Big Nasty Scratch. (Punishable By Death of Course) One Can DownLoad a Replacement Track of "On the Run" in 256K Quality (Still NOT As Good as the Original, but Better Then NOTHING!!!). -The Above is NEVER ot Be Abused. I have Put a Limit to 5 DownLoads from the HOME-DIR Before I Get Feisty. THIS SITE HAS EVERY INTENTION TO SUPPORT THE ARTISTS of YELLO!!!!! Not Abuse Them!!!! ALL ACTIVITY IS LOGGED AND WATCHED CLOSELY!!!!! -The DIR Called "Rare Yello Uploads" is Open for UpLoading and Downloading Rare and Hard-To Find Yello Tracks. THIS IS OPEN. NO LIMIT ON DOWNS in THIS DIR!! (Ups for That Matter to!) -It is Very Encouraged to Accompany Any UpLoaded Tracks with a Text File of the Same Name as the Encode to the Same DIR Explaining the Source of the MP3 so Those of Us Seeking the Originals Can Acquire "The Real McCoy". This is Not Manditory, but is Very Encouraged!!! The AudioPhiles of the List will Have Every Intention on Looking for Their Favorite Rares and Remixes in Better Quality Then MP3@128K. -The DIR "Sample Others" is Present in Attempts to Share the Music Taste of Yello-Listeners. If You Like Yello, There is a Pretty Good Chance That You Could Introduce Us to a Few New Artists That are Rare or Hard-To-Find. (Or MayBe Just Not Realized!!!) A Text File or a List Post is VERY Much Welcomed to Explain the Artists and Their Music to the Other Site Visitors!!! I Have UpLoaded 7 Of My Favorites. (Only a Tiny Fraction of Course!!!) Many Have DownLoaded These Samples, and I Hope They Have Been Appreciated. I Hope Others will Join Me in My Efforts!!!! -For Those Who Have Rare Stuff or Other Artists to Share, but Don't Understand or Have the Utilities for Creating MP3s Can Jump into a Utlity DIR on the Site Called "D:\IMAGES" (Use a Change DIR in Your FTP-Client or Slap D:\IMAGES at the End of the Site URL Instead of ~. NOTE: PLEASE CONTACT ME WHEN SOMETHING DEOS NOT SEEM RIGHT ON THE SITE. THIS USUALLY MEANS SOMETHING IS WRONG. (Experince from Previous) A Few Users Have Reached Me When the Server Has Been Downed for WhatEver Reasons, and This Helps Me Get-It Back Up Again. THANKS to EVERYONE Who Has Whinned!!!! HELPS!!!!! For Those Having ACCESS Troubles, Need to Try Again or with Other Clients if You are New to FTP. If You are on a Large LAN or a Cheap ISP You May Run Into a FireWall Not happy with My Strange PORT: 2666. I Will Leave Those Issues Up to Those with teh Issues. I Cannot Really help. Can Try Though??? Thanks Again to Those Who Have Contributed in UpLoads!!!!!!!!! I LOVE THIS STUFF!!!!!! If It Wasn't For You People, I Would HAve Never Discovered This Yello Area....... SITE ACCESS INFO: Browser Access: (Paste in Your URL-BOX or START-RUN_BOX) OK ftp://Yello:Yello@152.65.243.239:2666/~ FTP-Client Access: IP: 152.65.243.239 Port: 2666 User: Yello Password: Yello Enough for Now!!!!! Rocket of FTP (ICQ#5162070 Rocket Ranger) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info yello" in the message. # Postings must go to yello@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Yello discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?yello ------------------------------ End of yello-digest V2 #24 **************************