From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #1004 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Saturday, July 15 2000 Volume 02 : Number 1004 In this issue: - BAM on a can Re: new dream syndicate cd Lincoln Center In C Re: 18 hrs of jzz Re: Lincoln Center In C Re[2]: 18 hrs of jzz zorn classical Re: Review: Dave Douglas' Witness, Tonic, 7/13/00 (long) Re: new dream syndicate cd Re: Eno Re: e-mail oddities game pieces Re: new dream syndicate cd Re: new dream syndicate cd Re: Stockhausen Re: new dream syndicate cd Re: otomo yoshida/carl stone Re: Estradasphere ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:03:41 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: BAM on a can Brian askd about the Bang on a Can marathon this year. I just got the Brooklyn Academy of Music Next Wave schedule in the mail. (Philip Glass, Robert Wilson, avant garde Shakespeare interpretation ... why don't they just call it the Same Wave festival?), and on Dec. 10 they'll be doing the Bang on a Can Millennium Marathon. Selected (by me) names include Theo Bleckmann, Iva Bittova, Hassan Hakmoun, Phil Kline, Scanner, Matthew SHipp/William Parker, Talvin Singh and Lois Vierk. Also something called Huutajat, a Finnish yelling choir. Sounds cool, even for BAM, the home for unrealized potential in the outer boroughs. (Too harsh? They mispell Bertolt Brecht's name in the catalogue, and on their phone message once I heard them pronounce Bed-Stuy "Bed Stoo-ee." Ay yi yi) Even more interesting to me, also in Dec, is "To Lie Tenderly," a performance by David Dorfman Dance with music by Amy Denio. Don't know if she'll be on hand for the show. Cheers. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:13:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: new dream syndicate cd hm, La Monte Young = Lennie Tristano = cult leader w. followers both seem to have same problem with "leaking out" their work. Ken Waxman (who is open-mindedly listening to some electro-acoustic CDs among all the other stuff he plays) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:29:40 -0400 From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: Lincoln Center In C I believe the Lincoln Center festival and Terry Riley both came up recent= ly, making this particularly apropos. I just noticed this on the Lincoln Cen= ter website: In C By Terry Riley Dave Amels, clavivox; Don Buchla, synthesizer; Paul Dresher, guitar; Val=E9= rie Hartmann-Claverie, Ondes Martenot; Greg Howard, Chapman stick; Lydia Kavi= na, Theremin; Karsh Kale, e-tablas; Jaron Lanier, virtual reality; Robert Moo= g, Moog synthesizer; John Musto, keyboard; Pauline Oliveros, accordion; Zeen= a Parkins, harp; Nyle Steiner, EVI (Electronic Valve Instrument); Kathleen Supov=E9, clavinet; Mocean Worker, samplers; X-ecutioners, turntables. Conducted by Michael Barrett. Happened last night, apparently. Did anyone go? I'm not really kicking myself for having missed it because I don't particularly need to pay $30 bucks to see the rest of the pieces (Messian, Crumb, etc). However, the above looks like it could have been really interesting. Or horrible. I imagine some of those players being quite cheesy, but people like Zeena Parkins and the X-ecutioners could very well spice it up. I also have no idea what Bob Moog's playing would be like, but he seems like quite an interesting guy, and his inventions certainly show tendencies away from t= he trite. Oh, and what does "virtual reality" sound like? Anybody been going to any of the other Lincoln Center electronic concerts for that matter? There seems to be some interesting stuff smattered abou= t (cf. the turntable show on Sat.), but on the whole the fest seems quite conservative. - -Jesse - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:27:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: 18 hrs of jzz Kurt et al. A "review" I saw with someone reporting on the bebop program that someone saw at a film fest suggested that Burns is a guy pretty much hung up on The Great Men of Jazz thesis. Furthermore, he said the bebop program seemed to mostly focus on heroin use, with various folks speaking over things like rare Trane and Bird performance footage. Also, apparently, every jazz decade gets its own program -teens, 20s, 30s etc. except for the most recent where everything from 1960 to the present day is packed into the last show. (Don't expect any 20 minute Zorn solos). Oh and Wynton Marsalis is the "artistic consultant". Ken Waxman - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:23:52 -0400 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: Lincoln Center In C Jesse Kudler wrote: > Anybody been going to any of the other Lincoln Center electronic concerts > for that matter? No, but I'll be attending the Messiaen show on Tuesday, which includes "Des Canyons des Etoiles", about which I've heard extreme raves. Anyone else? btw, Riley's "In C" still strikes me as his most beautiful work. But check out the collection of early (1962-67) tape pieces on Organ of Corti--some pretty amazing and prescient stuff. Brian Olewnick NP" David Fulton - Like Chignik (not a great record, but whatever happened to that guy?) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:34:56 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: Re[2]: 18 hrs of jzz heroin has done a lot of damage to jazz, as has wynton marsalis. only one of them would seem to be necessary for inclusion, however. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: 18 hrs of jzz From: Ken Waxman at INTERNET-MAIL Date: 14.07.2000 17:27 Uhr Kurt et al. A "review" I saw with someone reporting on the bebop program that someone saw at a film fest suggested that Burns is a guy pretty much hung up on The Great Men of Jazz thesis. Furthermore, he said the bebop program seemed to mostly focus on heroin use, with various folks speaking over things like rare Trane and Bird performance footage. Also, apparently, every jazz decade gets its own program -teens, 20s, 30s etc. except for the most recent where everything from 1960 to the present day is packed into the last show. (Don't expect any 20 minute Zorn solos). Oh and Wynton Marsalis is the "artistic consultant". Ken Waxman - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:00:42 EDT From: Orangejazz@aol.com Subject: zorn classical in response to a post about other Zorn pieces besides Angelus Novus, I'd highly reccomend Duras:Duchamp which is definitely one of my favorite Zorn works. Redbird is my second favorite choice, as long as we're all on the topic of minimalism, this is a fantastic piece, and what i find so intriguing about it is that it absolutely never loses momentum or intrigue. it is constantly, repeatedly fascinating to me. Third, for Zorn classical, for me anyway, is The String Quartets, Cat O' Nine Tails is what some people (not on the Zorn list, heh) would consider definitive Zorn style. The jump cutting, etc. The next piece is the Dead Man. I can see it's correlations to the book by Bataille, which is definitely reccomended, I find it particularly harsh though, and have trouble listening to it (and i like merzbow.) Personally, I've found great meaning in Memento Mori, and would reccomend for this piece alone, though some find it less appealing (there was a discussion on the zorn list about it awhile ago. ) after that is Kol Nidre, which is yet another fantastic piece, in fact, i think i'd tie this one with Redbird. I think Aporias is very good. In fact, I like all of his work. That's why I'm on the list. from, matt np: tony conrad (to show my affiliation) - slapping pythagoras. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:25:25 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Review: Dave Douglas' Witness, Tonic, 7/13/00 (long) James Graves wrote: > Any news on an album release for this group? I loved the original Mahfouz, > and have been eagerly awaiting more electronic stuff from Dave. I have a > feeling that this group is not going to play outside of NYC, what with the > high number of members and low ticket sales. Not too sure about the actual "Mahfouz" piece, but assuming everything stands as it did when I exited RCA, the plan was to record the Witness music late this year or early next with an eye towards a June release to precede a European festival tour. Presumably when they take it to the studio, Feldman, Friedlander and Roseman will be back on board, but I'll just reiterate what a splendid job Hammann, Lee and Daley did in their places, and that with only one rehearsal... And to anyone taking notes, the second RCA release from Dave, featuring Charms of the Night Sky, is still on track for release in October to precede a British tour pairing Charms and Tiny Bell. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - The Sounds of Sirens (outside the window...) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:04:50 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: new dream syndicate cd Joseph Zitt wrote: > One thing I've noticed, though I haven't done an exact count: it > strikes me that every person who has championed Young's point of > view and narrative of the music's history has identified himself as > either a close friend of his or has worked directly with him (at > the Dream House or elsewhere). Those who believe that other narratives > might be valid seem to come from a wider circle. Is this an accurate > perception? Why is this so? I've known La Monte since I worked up the nerve to talk to him in spring of '96. My views are no different from before my first meeting with LMY. I stand up for La Monte because I can hear that Conrad as a composer - is hardly a chip off the old block or original and as a microtonalist - is all talk with weak results. - -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:13:00 EDT From: TagYrIt@aol.com Subject: Re: Eno In a message dated 7/14/00 4:20:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, marcingokieli@go2.pl writes: << Are there any other Eno fans here? >> You betcha, big time!! Dale. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:55:23 -0700 From: "Tom Johnson" Subject: Re: e-mail oddities > 1)When a word appears as such: _word_ often connected without spacing to > other words as in: word1_word2_word3 ?? This I have often seen when indicating an album title, as if it were italicised. > 2) what does this mean: *word* ?? I use it to place emphasis on a particular word. An interesting note many may not know, but typing this way in Microsoft Word results in italic and bold text: _word_ yields an italicized word and typing *word* yields a bolded word. A nice shortcut that completely eliminates using the mouse to select those functions. Tom - -- Check me out at http://members.home.com/signals2000 Go ahead, I dare you - I double DOG dare you. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:28:09 EDT From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: game pieces could someone explain to me what game pieces are? i have heard the term, but i am not quite sure what it means. Mr. Naivete (ben) np- sonny murray "sonny's time now" WOW....is anyone else as amazed as me by the sea of bass guitars calmly moving back and forth on "Virtue?" It underlies the whole track....i really lose myself in this. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:16:11 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: new dream syndicate cd On Fri, Jul 14, 2000 at 08:04:50PM -0400, David Beardsley wrote: > I've known La Monte since I worked up the nerve to talk to him > in spring of '96. My views are no different from before my > first meeting with LMY. I stand up for La Monte because I can hear > that Conrad as a composer - is hardly a chip off the > old block or original and as a microtonalist - is all talk with > weak results. But Conrad's current composition and his talk/results ratio have little to do with determining what his history was. If that were so, then, for example, we would have to discount accounts of Cornelius Cardew's importance in his early music because of his later dogmatic anthems. And, for that matter, has Young done anything of any importance since, say, designing the Dream House? He's been trotting out the blues band and the Well-Tuned Piano for quite a while now, in those few instances that he's let out any clue that he's doing anything at all. But I would just love to see new recordings or performances show that he has something up his sleeve. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:34:13 +0200 (MET DST) From: Steve Berman Subject: Re: new dream syndicate cd >>>>> "David" == David Beardsley writes: David> And his name is spelled: La Monte - with a space. Does he pronounce it like 'la mont' or like 'la monty'? I've heard both on the radio. - --Steve Berman - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:20:36 -0400 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Stockhausen At 10:37 AM 7/14/00 EDT, JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > > ><> > >any sort of brief description of this? I know it's from his week-long opera. >is there much singing? is the music primarily acoustic or electronic? As Patrice mentioned, it's not his opera (which is globally entitled Light, but which also covers seven days), but the first (of two) collections of 'intuitive music,' a collection of poems which were supposed to inspire the performers in a certain direction. The story goes that KS went off and meditated for seven days and came down from the mountain with these pieces (symbolism at the viewer's discretion) -- hence the title. Aus dem Sieben Tagen is the name of the collection in German, but one of the pieces is available on Harmonia Mundi under that name. Some of the pieces from the second collection, entitled For Times To Come, have also been recorded, but Ceylon is the only one reissued by the Verlag, and as I remember it's not very good. As an aside, this was originally issued on Chrysalis, a rock label, who presumably thought KS's intuitive music would resonate with 'the younger generation' and made a two album deal -- the second album never appeared. One of the pieces of FTSD includes some horrible vocals, KS reading from Sri Aurobindi or some such new-age claptrap, but for the most part it's his ensemble from the time, i.e., some acoustic and some electronic instruments. I like it more than Patrice did, for me it's the end of his interesting period rather than the beginning of the dull. If you know and like Morphogenesis (who supposedly got their start playing one of the pieces from this set, but were unable to get clearance to release it under that name, so they renamed it and released it anyway -- it's not like anyone could ever tell), I would recommend the collection. At 08:42 AM 7/14/00 -0700, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > >Wasn't EMF carrying some of the Verlag catalog in the US? EMF does carry the Verlag CDs, but at a greatly inflated price. You're definitely better off ordering directly from the Verlag, unless for some reason you're willing to pay the premium to get them a little sooner. >Anybody knows if OPUS 71 is still available? If you mean Opus 1970, where KS prepared tapes of Beethoven as if they were short wave radio broadcasts and used them with his ensemble to play Kurzwellen, AFAIK this has not been reissued. I think DGG and KS got together for the Beethoven bicentennial on this one, and he probably doesn't consider it worthy of inclusion in the canon, since Kurzwellen itself *has* been released by the Verlag. - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. - -- Satchel Paige - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:04:46 -0400 From: Rich Williams Subject: Re: new dream syndicate cd > >>>(I mean, Beefheart was/is an asshole, too.) <<< > >Is this from personal experience? > >Talk to Bruce Fowler or Brave Midnight Hat Size if you would like to get a >different perspective. > >Asshole is a dynamic, not an individual characteristic, at least in this >case. After reading Bill Harklerod's(Zoot Horn Rollo) recent book, as well as John French's(Drumbo) extensive notes on the beef box set, I'm beginning to think that the man could have given Charles Manson a run for his money, at least in the meglomania department. Of course that doesn't diminish the music in any way. But still, if only half of their accounts are true, it amazes me that people put up with him. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:46:37 -0400 From: "Peter Risser" Subject: Re: otomo yoshida/carl stone > I enjoy Stone's work greatly and consider his "Mom's" on New Albion to > be one of the finer recordings of the last dozen years. His MO is > taking small samples of material and delving deeply into them, > discovering unexpected richness. In "Shing Kee" from "Mom's", for > example, he samples a second or two from a Japanese vocalist singing > Schubert (in English) and _very_ gradually extends it, totally > transforming it into a microscopic examination of the granularities of > her sound. > Brian Olewnick I'd second that opinion for Mom's. Unbelieveable minimalistic deep sonic explorations of tiny fragments. When the one sample suddenly shifts, after ten minutes to another sample, it's like a huge breaking wave of sunlight washing over you. Very intense. Peter - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:30:59 EDT From: User384726@aol.com Subject: Re: Estradasphere This is a wonderful album. This band has a mix of a more socially acceptable Bungle/SC3 with a more "world music" flavor and a few Perrey & Kingsleyesque "electronic pieces." The sound quality isn't the best but that's my only major complaint. This band is able to play instrumental music without epic solos except the first track. No one individual in the band stands out as a virtuoso but they work extremely well together. I think any Bungle, Secret Chiefs 3, or early Mahavishnu Orchestra fan will be pleased with this album. Aaron Solomon - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #1004 ******************************** To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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