From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com (zorn-list Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #123 Reply-To: zorn-list@xmission.com Sender: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Precedence: zorn-list Digest Tuesday, September 23 1997 Volume 02 : Number 123 In this issue: Re: Reich recommendations Re: PARACHUTE YEARS Re: NYPhilharmonic commission Re: Leng Tch'e reich recommendations Reich boxset Re: Reich boxset cds for sale/trade Masada scrores? Zorn/Previte Re: Zorn/Previte parachute question? Re: Reich, Partch etc. Re: Masada dead? Not quite... description of pattons new disk Re: NYPhilharmonic commission Re: Zorn's future plans Re: reich recommendations Re: reich recommendations Re: Zorn/Previte Re: Zorn/Previte Re: parachute question? Re: Zorn/Previte reich Re: Leng Tche See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the zorn-list or zorn-list-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:55:16 -0400 From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: Reich recommendations I like Music for 18 Musicians a lot but my personal favorite is EARLY WORKS (Nonesuch) which includes his early tape experiments 'Come Out' and 'It's Gonna Rain' as well as 'Piano Phase.' This material isn't just historical- they're amazingly rich experiments. Jason Perfect Sound Forever Warped perspectives on all types of music perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:43:39 -0400 (EDT) From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: PARACHUTE YEARS I would recommend buying it, to have that alternate version of Lacrosse is almost worth the price alone! (Naked City used to play Lacrosse..) Jody ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:26:17 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: NYPhilharmonic commission stephen drury wrote: > Yo -- check out the January 22 ('98) program of the New York > Philharmonic. > (http://www.newyorkphilharmonic.org) That's a very interesting program (for those who didn't want to make the trip through the NYPhil's website, it's William Schuman's New England Triptych, Joseph Schwantner's Percussion Concerto, Aaron Copland's complete Billy the Kid, and the world premiere of a little something called Orchestra Variations by some guy named Zorn) and I'll be sure to be there. But I pray to all the gods there be that the orchestra is kinder to Slatkin than they were when they played the Adams Violin Concerto and "Slonimsky's Earbox," the Ives 3rd Symphony, and Ellington's "Harlem" under him last season. In that concert they sucked stale bathwater through their collective backdoor. I have absolutely nothing against the Phil and plan to continue hearing them often. But this was possibly the least inspired playing I've ever heard from a major orchestra. Then Adams took the podium to conduct a little encore ditty by Astor Piazzolla and suddenly the orchestra sounds world class. Was it Slatkin they had a problem with? Who knows? Anyway, cross your fingers for our boy Johnny. Al least with the NYPhil everyone can hear the radio broadcast. Any idea when the piano concerto disc is due, Stephen? Best, Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com > > > Or come to Boston University's Tsai Center to hear Zorn's "Carny" > Sept. 28. > --- steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:25:33 -0800 From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: Leng Tch'e John Shiurba wrote: >>Jesse Simon wrote: >> There was some discussion of Naked City's Leng Tch'e just the other day and >> it occured to me that I had a aquestion about it too: >> Does anyone know weather this piece was improvised in the studio or if >> there is an actual score (or at very least notations regarding what to >> play)? If there is a score, where might one get a copy of it? > >there is a score, i've seen them perform it (more or less) as it's >recorded-- i don't >know where you can get the score, but this piece should be pretty easy to >transcribe, >as long as you don't mind counting a lot of sustained whole notes >- -- John's right that there's a score for the piece, but wrong about counting sustained whole notes (or maybe I'm misunderstanding his phrase). The piece is less than a full page long (I think it's about five lines or so). It'd be more a matter of counting out sub-divisions of a VERY slow pulse. Herb Levy herb@eskimo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:56:06 -0400 From: "mcbride/turner" Subject: reich recommendations i've heard very little, but i'll second the votes for the kronos/metheny album, 'different trains/electric counterpoint' and also for 'music for 18 musicians'. as i recall, electric counterpoint and music for 18 musicians are very similar in that they use this same quick-tempo, regular, pulsing crescendos as intros and part-delineaters, and if the motive material isn't close to identical then it's treatment is, but the timbral difference is awesome, and i think these pieces make a fine pair of bookends. and i don't know what album or compilation it's on, but there's also an excellent tape piece from the sixties, either called 'come out, come out' or 'come out and show them' ultra repetitive, but if you like it, you'll love it, if you get my meaning. (probably means if you dislike it, you'll hate it. :)) have fun, robert ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 20:27:32 -0400 From: Lang Thompson Subject: Reich boxset Has anybody heard the new recordings of earlier works that are on the new Reich boxset? Better, worse, etc than the other recorded versions? Lang Thompson http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 21:09:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw Subject: Re: Reich boxset On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, Lang Thompson wrote: > Has anybody heard the new recordings of earlier works that are on the new > Reich boxset? Better, worse, etc than the other recorded versions? Unfortunately, I can't help out much here, but I thought I'd add my almost meaningless post anyway. :-) I've only heard/got the DG _Drumming_, etc. CDs and I haven't listened to that part of the box, but I have to say that it would've been nice to have the original recordings, just for the historical sake of it. I know this is prob'ly impossible, since the box is done by Nonesuch and they'll use their own recordings over the others. Sorry I couldn't be of much help.... cya brian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 97 09:44:49 UT From: "allen huotari" Subject: cds for sale/trade greetings fellow zornophiles here's a quartet of items I have for sale or trade (at bargain rates, info to follow) no Zorn content but all artists have been discussed at one point or another on this list so will (hopefully) be of interest here we go: Eyvind Kang "7 NADES" (Tzadik TZ 7013) Tony Conrad "Slapping Pythagoras" (Table of the Elements 23) includes Jim O'Rourke, David Grubbs, others Heiner Goebbels/Alfred 23 Harth "Goebbels Heart" (Eva wwcx2042) includes Dagmar Krause various artists "At Close Quarters" (These 7) live recordings from These Records shop London includes Steve Beresford, Charles Hayward, David Toop, Nicolas Collins, Morphogenesis, others prices are $10 each for any single (or pair) of disc(s) $25 for any three $30 for all four all prices include postage to anywhere in the USofA (outside of USofA trades are much preferred) if you have any questions or would like to reserve a disc, PLEASE respond to me (Allen Huotari) NOT to the zorn-list you may respond to either of two e-mail addresses: zmasada@classic.msn.com or allenh@smtpgate.tais.com that's it, first come, first served if you are interested in a trade please send your list of items and beyond this offer, wants lists are welcome at any time ajh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:07:32 +0100 From: Robert van Heumen Subject: Masada scrores? Hi. First contact... I'm planning on starting a band to play Masada pieces; does anyone know if there are scores available somewhere ? And.. I'm still looking for people to join... so if you're living in the Netherlands (or am I the only dutch person on this list??) and playing drums, bass or saxophone (yes, I'm a trumpet player) or any other instrument you think could be appropiate for this kind of music, please contact me! By the way, I just bought Douglas' Sanctuary. At first I didn't like it very much (it's so hectic, even if you are used to Zorn) but after some more listening, I think it's interesting.... but is it beauty? It also reminded me of Miles Davis' Bitches Brew and Live Evil, which I like very much. Ok that's all. Robert. * information is not knowledge knowledge is not wisdom wisdom is not truth truth is not beauty beauty is not love love is not music music is the best * *frank vincent zappa* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:29:30 -0400 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Zorn/Previte When is the Zorn/Previte thing going to be released? -Tom Pratt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:09:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Zorn/Previte On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Tom Pratt wrote: > When is the Zorn/Previte thing going to be released? It's been available at stores in Pittsburgh for the last week and a half. Chris Hamilton ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:51:57 -0400 (EDT) From: slawlor Subject: parachute question? Hi there. I guess parachute was a label that zorn was on? Can someone give me an overview of the material, not necessarily of the box set, but of the original recordings? Thanks for the information. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:22:59 -0400 (EDT) From: penwaves@mindspring.com (joel lewis) Subject: Re: Reich, Partch etc. i reccomend dg drumming & ecm music for 18 musicians, tho' i suppose that the 10 cd set of reich would satisfy one for a bit. two best partch intro have yet to be reissued: world of harry partch & delsuions of the fury, both on cbs. the latter came with a seperate disk that featured demonstrations of the individual instruments and partch talking about his music--set also came w/ a beautiful booklet. right now-- the cri recordings are essential. keep a look out for the newband recordings under supervision of dean drummond who played on partch's cbs recordings -- they plan to record entire partch cannon joel lewis ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:22:54 -0400 (EDT) From: penwaves@mindspring.com (joel lewis) Subject: Re: Masada dead? Not quite... Re: zorn's future plans. i had a phone conversation w/ zorn a few months ago, and he seemed to indicate that he would be spending much of the next year working on compsoitions and was reducing his playing schedule. joel lewis ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:32:38 -0500 (EST) From: Scott T Chamberlin Subject: description of pattons new disk I was just listening to Patton's Pranzo Oltranzista on my computer, and my CD player looks up the disk info off of a database, and the disk came up listing the band as smell, and the title of the disk as penile goo. I think that this is a joke, and not a mistake because the track listing is all correct. Just thought I'd add this. - -Scott chambest@cs.purdue.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:53:29 -0400 From: stephen drury Subject: Re: NYPhilharmonic commission Steve (and Zornlistgang) -- You know, John Cage once publicly referred to the NYPhilharmonic as "bandits". Overpaid bandits, I might add. Well, one can always hope; see you there. At 12:26 AM 9/20/97 -0400, you wrote: > >But I pray to all the gods there be that the orchestra is kinder to >Slatkin than they were when they played the Adams Violin Concerto and >"Slonimsky's Earbox," the Ives 3rd Symphony, and Ellington's "Harlem" >under him last season. In that concert they sucked stale bathwater >through their collective backdoor. I have absolutely nothing against >the Phil and plan to continue hearing them often. But this was possibly >the least inspired playing I've ever heard from a major orchestra. Then >Adams took the podium to conduct a little encore ditty by Astor >Piazzolla and suddenly the orchestra sounds world class. Was it Slatkin >they had a problem with? Who knows? Anyway, cross your fingers for our >boy Johnny. > >Al least with the NYPhil everyone can hear the radio broadcast. Any >idea when the piano concerto disc is due, Stephen? > Zorn's concerto still has a few segments that need to be dropped in (like the boy's choir), so who knows. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:20:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Zorn's future plans On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, joel lewis wrote: > i had a phone conversation w/ zorn a few months ago, and he seemed to > indicate that he would be spending much of the next year working on > compsoitions and was reducing his playing schedule. Well, that's good. He's been kind of slack about putting out new material recently. 8^) Chris Hamilton ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:33:20 +0200 (GMT+0200) From: tkorpipa@siba.fi Subject: Re: reich recommendations On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, mcbride/turner wrote: > and i don't know what album or compilation it's on, but there's also an > excellent tape piece from the sixties, either called 'come out, come > out' or 'come out and show them' ultra repetitive, but if you like it, > you'll love it, if you get my meaning. (probably means if you dislike > it, you'll hate it. :)) it's early works by electra/nonesuch. also has piano phase, clapping music and the other superb tape work it's gonna rain. teemu :::: e-mail tkorpipa@siba.fi :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::: ruumen: http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa/ruumen.html ::::::::::::::: 'You only got one finger left and it's pointing at the door' - beck - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 06:54:37 -0700 From: "Marlene McMullen" Subject: Re: reich recommendations >On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, mcbride/turner wrote: > >> and i don't know what album or compilation it's on, but there's also an >> excellent tape piece from the sixties, either called 'come out, come >> out' or 'come out and show them' ultra repetitive, but if you like it, Captain Beefheart uses the phrase 'Come out to show dem' on the tune "Moonlight On Vermont" which was recorded after Reich's piece...always wondered if there was a conscious connection. Also, on the "Bruise Blood Re-Mix" of Tortoise's "DJED," U.N.K.L.E. makes heavy use of samples of Reich's piece. Sz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:57:38 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Zorn/Previte Christopher Hamilton wrote: > On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Tom Pratt wrote: > > > When is the Zorn/Previte thing going to be released? > > It's been available at stores in Pittsburgh for the last week and a > half. > > Chris Hamilton It was officially released last Tuesday. It should be in the same stores you find Tzadik releases in since it's distributed by Koch. If not, Downtown Music Gellery is handling domestic mailorder, and foreign mailorder information is now posted on the Depth of field site (http://members.aol.com/DOField). Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:16:10 -0500 From: jihad7@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson) Subject: Re: Zorn/Previte On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:29:30 -0400 Tom Pratt writes: >When is the Zorn/Previte thing going to be released? > > -Tom Pratt > > It's been out for a few days here. Quite the excellent album, in my opinion. ************************************************************** " i can't imagine how you can be you and not wanna be dead" "Melville". ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:54:06 -0700 From: john shiurba Subject: Re: parachute question? slawlor wrote: > > Hi there. I guess parachute was a label that zorn was on? Can someone > give me an overview of the material, not necessarily of the box set, but > of the original recordings? Thanks for the information. Parachute was a label started by Eugene Chadbourne, the releases of this label include: Zorn/Chadbourne- School Zorn/Chadbourne- 2000 Statues/the English Channel Zorn- Archery Zorn- Pool and also records by Eugene Chadbourne, Henry Kaiser, Lesli Dalaba, Polly Bradfield and surely I've forgotten one or two. - -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:03:13 -0400 From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" Subject: Re: Zorn/Previte Steve Smith wrote: > Christopher Hamilton wrote: > > > On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Tom Pratt wrote: > > > > > When is the Zorn/Previte thing going to be released? > > > > It's been available at stores in Pittsburgh for the last week and a > > half. > > > > Chris Hamilton > > It was officially released last Tuesday. It should be in the same > stores you find Tzadik releases in since it's distributed by Koch. If > > not, Downtown Music Gellery is handling domestic mailorder, and > foreign > mailorder information is now posted on the Depth of field site > (http://members.aol.com/DOField). > > Steve Smith > ssmith36@sprynet.com And one excellent recording it is! For a Previte fan, yours truly, it's great to hear so much of Bobby. It's surprising that the duo format offers so much variety, which IMHO is due to Bobby's musical prowess. Though the pieces are short, the work hangs together quite nicely. It's not at all a speed race ala Naked City. Alan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:29:45 -0400 From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" Subject: reich I'm not sure how the Reich got started on this list, but IMHO "The Cave" is worth a listen. Now it's not something I'm going to sit down with every day, but I think it was overlooked by critics and fans alike. Perhaps it's impact is lessened due to length or the fact that it was originally presented in a visual format, but nevertheless I think it has many merits. Takes some concentration and you've got to have the libretto in front of you, but it's worth the trip. Alan E Kayser ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:16:14 -0400 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: Leng Tche >> Would someone be able to tell me what Leng Tche is supposed to >> mean...? > 100 pieces. It was a torture method. On April 10, 1905, Louis Carpeaux, a western photographer, and possibly Georges Dumas, an early psychologist, were present at the execution of Fou Tchou Li, guilty of murder of a prince. Because of the merciful benevolence (!) of the emporer, he was not burned as he had been sentenced, but cut into 100 pieces while still alive (and given massive doses of opium to prolong the agony). Carpeaux brought back photos of the execution, one of which was published by Dumas in his 1923 Treatise of Psychology. One is also incorporated into the cover art of the original edition of Leng Tche - -- I don't know if it is in the black box or not. A number of artists have been fascinated by the photos, not only for the sheer grisliness, but because of the expression on the victim's face, which has been interpreted as being one of ecstasy and joy. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions do not reflect on management For every complex question there is a simple answer, and it is wrong. (H. L. Mencken) ------------------------------ End of zorn-list Digest V2 #123 ******************************* To subscribe to zorn-list Digest, send the command: subscribe zorn-list-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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