From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #295 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, April 2 1998 Volume 02 : Number 295 In this issue: - 20 records twentysomething Re: 20 records Top 23 Albums Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #294 e# (was 20 records) Trout Mask Replica Re: Top 20 Carl Stone request Top 20 o' mine top 20 20 records Re: Stravinsky/Shostakovitch do jazz?? Re: looking for some info on these albums Re: Masayuki Takayanagi more takayanagi Top 20 at the moment... Top 20 Egos on Parade Re: Top 20 Egos on Parade ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:57:52 -0300 From: Gabriel Lichtmann Subject: 20 records Well, here's my list, I know I'll regret most of it tomorrow, but anyway: (in no particular order) Faith No More "Angel Dust" Sonic Youth "Daydream Nation" Neil Young "Ragged Glory" Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue" John Zorn "Bar Kokhba" Caetano Veloso "Circulado Ao Vivo" The Beatles "The White Album" Pixies "Surfer Rosa" John Zorn "Naked City" Prince "Sign O' The Times" Prince "Purple Rain" Velvet Underground & Nico "Peel Slowly and See" (boxed set) The Smiths "Louder than bommbs" John Coltrane "A Love Supreme" Pink Floyd "The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn" Joy Division "Substance" (actually anything, but I'll go for this one) Don Cornelio y La Zona "idem" (I know the other argentinian guys chose L.A. Spinetta for his musicality reasons, but this is what poetry sounds like to me) Roni Size/Reprazent "New Forms" Aphex Twin "SAW vol2" V.A "Isolationism" Mmm, too "rock", I think I got a bit nostalgic. I'm forgetting many records, but this I what I would keep if I had to sell my records collection, this are not my favorite records. Bye. P.D: If the other argentinian guys want to discuss my choice of Don Cornelio over Spinetta I think we should do it outside the list. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:50:43 -0800 (PST) From: Joshua A Miller Subject: twentysomething okay, okay, me too. this will be missing a lot (obviously) john cale- paris 1919 glenn branca symphonies 8&10 james chance/contortions- buy the contortions bill frisell- where in the world (let's say for now...) swell maps- jane from occupied europe the raincoats- the raincoats (!!!) ornette coleman- free jazz fred frith- speechless 8-eyed spy- 8-eyed spy charles mingus- the black saint and the sinner lady god is my co-pilot- speed yr trip tom waits- raindogs the fall- wonderfull and frightening world of... henry threadgill- too much sugar for a dime sonic youth- daydream nation sun ra- space is the place velvet undergound- velvet underground and nico john zorn- naked city vaselines- the way of the vaselines half japanese- greatest hits eugene chadbourne- corpses of foreign war (first to come to mind)... minutemen- double nickels on the dime pere ubu- dub housing wire- pink flag elvis costello- armed forces so i went over...everybody else did too! only twenty. hmph. what a nightmare! josh - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 15:53:59 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: 20 records On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:57:52 -0300 Gabriel Lichtmann wrote: > > Well, here's my list, I know I'll regret most of it tomorrow, but anyway: > (in no particular order) > > Faith No More "Angel Dust" > Sonic Youth "Daydream Nation" > Neil Young "Ragged Glory" > Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue" > John Zorn "Bar Kokhba" > Caetano Veloso "Circulado Ao Vivo" > The Beatles "The White Album" > Pixies "Surfer Rosa" > John Zorn "Naked City" > Prince "Sign O' The Times" > Prince "Purple Rain" > Velvet Underground & Nico "Peel Slowly and See" (boxed set) > The Smiths "Louder than bommbs" Darn! I forgot The Smiths... Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:51:04 UT From: peter_risser@cinfin.com Subject: Top 23 Albums You asked for it: First, the runners up: 3 - Beach Boys - Pet Sounds 3 - Eno/Byrne - My Life in the Bush of Ghosts 3 - Derek Bailey - Aida 3 - Don Caballero - II 3 - Faith No More - King for a Day 3 - Genesis - Lamb Lies Down on Broadway 3 - John Zorn - Filmworks 1986-1990 3 - King Crimson - Larks' Tongues in Aspic 3 - Miles Davis - Bitches' Brew 3 - Miles Davis - On the Corner 3 - Miles Davis - Pangaea 3 - Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz 3 - Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come 3 - Peter Thomas - Raumpatrouille 3 - Philip Glass - Einstein on the Beach 3 - Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation 3 - Tom Waits - Swordfishtrombones 3 - Frank Zappa - The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life 3 - Frank Zappa - Weasels Ripped My Flesh Now the top 23: 4 - Steve Reich - Music for 18 Musicians 4 - King Crimson - Red 4 - Brian Eno - Another Green World 4 - Charles Mingus - Presents Charles Mingus 4 - Naked City - Radio 4 - Stravinsky's Petrouchka 4 - Tom Waits - Frank's Wild Years 4 - Tom Waits - Rain Dogs 4 - Iannis Xenakis - La Legende D'Eer Heading into classics territory: 5 - Captain Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica 5 - John Zorn - Spy vs Spy 5 - Sonny Sharrock - Ask the Ages 6 - Beatles - White Album 6 - Naked City - Torture Garden Seminal Recordings?: 7 - Albert Ayler - Spiritual Unity 7 - Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch 7 - John Coltrane - A Love Supreme 7 - John Zorn - Bar Kokhba 7 - Mr. Bungle - Disco Volante 7 - Stravinsky's Rite of Spring 9 - Ornette Coleman - Beauty Is a Rare Thing 10 - Naked City - s/t 12 - Miles Davis - Kind of Blue Just thought you'd like to know Peter - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 16:09:51 -0800 From: George Grella Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #294 Cappy D'Angelo writes: > Are you completely writing off minimalism here, or just this particular > piece? Reich, Riley, Young, Andriessen, Glass? Gamelon (and much > non-western music)? What about Sinking of the Titanic (Bryars) which > I've noticed on a few top 20s? What about the Bryars album (the name > escapes me) with Alaric (sp?) featuring, inter alia, Evan Parker and > Bill Frisell - this is one of my favorites. > Not in any way - this response surprises me. I have many CDs by the composers you mention in my collection, to begin with, and their music, as Minimalism, does a lot more than the Bryar's piece does. Take some or Reich's most rigorous work for example, like "It's Gonna Rain," or "Drumming." The music develops on an elemental level, it transforms from one thing to another. Like any good composer, he implicitly understands the need for modulation, especially when his "language" is repetition. In the tape piece, he chooses only one element to modulate, the playback of the loop, but he still modulates it. "Jesus Blood" doesn't modulate. It doesn't vary key, tempo, rhythm or mode from how it begins to any other appreciably different state. Some instruments come in, the voice keeps going, some more instruments come in, the voice keeps going. I wouldn't even call this Minimalism, which implys that the composer is using a specific technique but it still writing a piece of music that does something. Brys uses no technique other than plain repetition and less than cursory arranging. And with a piece the length of a Romantic era symphony, that is just deadly, whether or not Tom Wairs makes a cameo in the "coda." It's not that I don't understand the appeal of the record, I do, and if people enjoy it, good for them. But it's not for me. gg - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 18:41:02 -0500 From: Tom Pratt Subject: e# (was 20 records) > 16) Elliott Sharp Larynx Brian - I remember you asking a while back for some recent e# recs... If you really liked LARYNX (I did too) you should check out his new Orchestra Carbon disc called RHEO-UMBRA. It's a brand spanking new hand-packaged, limited edition (only 300) set on e#'s zOaR label. It's a pretty similar concept to LARYNX (e# w/Carbon + string quartet + 2 bass clarinets playing one piece split into two parts with the blocky structure of LARYNX). Also on zOaR (another hand-packaged limited edition set) is SPRING & NEAP which is an AMAZING piece written and conducted by e#. It's one composition for 2 kotos, 2 shamisen, harp, piano, 2 violins, 2 cellos, 2 contrabasses & 4 percussionists (i could be leaving something out) that is a very dissonant and dynamic build-up/release of tension piece. I can very easily compare it to Xenakis. Other recent-ish e# discs of note are INTERFERENCE (w/Carbon, instrumental, very different from all other Carbon I've heard) and his solo fretless guitar disc SFERICS. I really love all of these discs. -Tom Pratt - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:23:34 -0600 (CST) From: Doug McKay Subject: Trout Mask Replica TROUT MASK REPLICA shows up on a lot of lists. I haven't heard it, but I had the sampler ZAPPED as kid and it had one or two Beefheart on it. Now I'm thinking this is a good time to finally buy it. Doug McKay In Minnesota - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 11:53:12 +1000 From: Alistair Poore Subject: Re: Top 20 Not quite 20, but a pretty good summary of my tastes at the moment. George Adams/Don Pullen Quartet - City gates Bajourou - Big string theory Tim Berne's Bloodcount - Unwound Ornette Coleman - Change of the century Eric Dolphy Eric Dolphy - At the Five Spot, Vol. 1 Bob Dylan - Blood on the tracks Marty Ehrlich's Darkwoods Ensemble - Just before the dawn Donald Harrison - Indian blues Keith Jarrett - At the Blue Note. The complete recordings Kronos Quartet - Pieces of Africa Taj Mahal - Giant steps/De ole folks at home Myra Melford Extended Ensemble - Even the sounds shine David Murray - Spirituals Bobby Previte - Too close to the pole Don Pullen and the Afro-Brazilian Connection - Ode to life Horace Tapscott - The dark tree. Vol. 1 Ali Farke Toure & Ry Cooder - Talking Timbuktu McCoy Tyner - The real McCoy Loudon Wainwright III - History Tom Waits - Rain dogs Randy Weston - The spirits of our ancestors World Saxophone Quartet - Metamorphosis John Zorn - Bar Khokhba - -- Alistair G. B. Poore Email: a.poore@unsw.edu.au - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 20:52:03 -0500 From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Carl Stone Wouldn't have thought he would come up on this list but my hat's off to the people that have been mentioning him recently. Anyone else see his recent Kitchen performance? He did this wild, swirling psychedelic piece called 'Guelaguetza' (or 'Guelaguetzl'). Jason Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 19:50:21 -0500 From: Tom Pratt Subject: request I'm making a request to hear from Stephen Drury, David Newgarden and David Slusser as to what they would consider their top 20 records. Let's hear 'em guys! -Tom Pratt - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Apr 98 21:43:18 -0400 From: Tyler Subject: Top 20 o' mine Hey all, thought I might as well throw my faves out while I have the chance... Probably a change from regular zorn list material,oh well. Enjoy (or don't). In no order. Sonic Youth-"Goo" The Jesus Lizard-"Goat" Medecine-"The Buried Life" My Bloody Valentine-"Loveless" Naked City-"Torture Garden" Boredoms-"Onanie Bomb Meets the Sex Pistols" Six Finger Satellite-"Severe Exposure" Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds-"Let Love In" Husker Du-"New Day Rising" Girls against Boys-"Cruise Yourself" Didjits-"Full Nelson Reilly" Big Black-"Songs About Fucking" Photek-"Modus Operandi" Jon Spencer Blues Explosion-"Orange" Fishbone-"The Reality of My Surroundings" Parliament-"Tear the Roof Off" Supernova-"Ages 3 and Up" Greyboy Allstars-"A Town Called Earth" Minor Threat-"Complete Discography" Wesley Willis Fiasco-"SpookyDisharmoniousConflictHellride" There. Now the world (part of it at least) knows the inner-most listenings of one Tyler J. fruitypants@biogate.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 22:07:35 -0500 From: Jack Blanton Subject: top 20 My top 20; not necessarily in order, trying to avoid too much repetition in artists, probabally forgetting some, and likely with many mispellings: Sonic Youth-Sister John Zorn-Bar Khokba Dimiti Shostakovitch-String Quartet #8 (all time favorite piece of music; especially the flawless version by the Kronos Quartet) John Coltrane-Live in Seattle Johnny Cash-The American Recordings Kronos Quartet/Terry Rielly-Salome Dances for Peace Ludwig Van Beetoveen-The Complete Symphonies Sebadoh-Bubble and Scrape Naked City-Radio Blue (soundtrack, by L. Preisler) Fugazi-Red Medicine Bela Bartock-Complete String Quartets (Emerson Quartet) Black Flag-Loose Nut Dave Douglass-Parallell Worlds Franz Schubert-Death and the Maden Quartet (Emerson Quartet) Gorecki-String Quartets 1 and 2 (Kronos Quartet) Georges Bizet-Carmen Osvaldo Golijov-The Dreams and Prayers of Isaac the Blind (Kronos Quartet/David Krakauer) Oliver Messiaen-Quartet for the End of Time Masada (Box set; I'm cheating, but they're all so great!) A mixed bag, no? JACK - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:14:05 -0300 From: "cmurat" Subject: 20 records My 20 favorites: Kronos Quartet - White man sleeps / Black Angels Miles Davis - Kind of blue / Bitches Brew / We want Miles Ornette Coleman - Beauty is a rare thing Eric Dolphy - The complete Prestige recording John Coltrane - Live in Japan Keith Jarrett - Koln Concert Joni Mitchell - Mingus Spinetta - Artaud Pescado Rabioso - Pescado 2 Caetano Veloso - Muito Erik Satie - Vexations Arditti String Quartet - Arnold Schoenberg 3 Chamber Music Velvet Underground - Peel slowly and see Curlew - A beautiful western saddle Nick Cave - Murder Ballads Larry Ochs - The secret Magritte Anthony Braxton - Willisau (quartet) 1991 Zeena Parkins - Isabelle Zorn - Frisell - Lewis - News for Lulu Elliott Sharp - Xenocodex Guy Klucevsek - Flying vegetables of the apocalypse - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:27:49 +1000 (EST) From: James Douglas Knox Subject: Re: Stravinsky/Shostakovitch do jazz?? I've seen a couple of people mention these guys in their lists, so I'm hoping someone out here knows more than me... Heard a piece for brass on the radio a while back; it was a jazz-suite by Stravinsky for Shostakovitch (or maybe: the other way around). I think it was the 2nd of 2. Don't know too much about these guys, but like my few Stravinsky records just fine. Can anyone fill me in? - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:36:17 +1000 (EST) From: James Douglas Knox Subject: Re: looking for some info on these albums On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Zorn wrote: > EXPERIMENTAL PERFORMANCE WITH JOHN ZORN: Jojo Takayanagi > > GANRYU ISLAND: Michihiro Sato and John Zorn Both dead-rare, I'd say. Masayuki 'Jojo' Takayanagi was a Japanese guitarist who did work in the vein of prepared guitar and cut-ups under his Action Direct moniker. That stuff is apparently pretty great - the inspiration for Merzbow and Otomo Yoshihide both. I think Otomo studied with him for a time. More info on him in issue 4/2 of the inestimable British mag, Resonance. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 22:21:22 -0500 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Re: Masayuki Takayanagi James Douglas Knox wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Zorn wrote: > > > EXPERIMENTAL PERFORMANCE WITH JOHN ZORN: Jojo Takayanagi > > > > GANRYU ISLAND: Michihiro Sato and John Zorn > > Both dead-rare, I'd say. Masayuki 'Jojo' Takayanagi was a Japanese > guitarist who did work in the vein of prepared guitar and cut-ups under > his Action Direct moniker. That stuff is apparently pretty great - the > inspiration for Merzbow and Otomo Yoshihide both. I think Otomo studied > with him for a time. More info on him in issue 4/2 of the inestimable > British mag, Resonance. Masayuki Takayanagi has a solo prepared table-top guitar disc on the Japanese Jinya label called 'Inanimate Nature' as well as one with his group New Direction called 'Live Independence' (or something like that - this is off hand) with Moto Yoshisawa on bass and a percussionist. The latter is in more of a conventional guitar style (two tracks on the album, split between acoustic and electric guitars). Both are quite good but very different from each other. This is all I've been able to find on CD. Anyone know of any more? I've been dying to hear Zorn's duo LP with him so if anyone who has it is feeling kind enough to offer to make me a tape, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks! While I'm here, can anyone recommend Henry Rollins' spoken word performances? He's coming to perform in my neck of the woods Tuesday night. Not sure if I'll go... -Tom Pratt - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 22:27:59 -0500 From: Tom Pratt Subject: more takayanagi I just went over to Forced Exposure and found that Takayanagi has another disc I don't have with New Direction called 'The Call In Question' on PSF. I'll be ordering that one soon. Anything else from this guy? -Tom Pratt - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:37:38 -0600 From: fate@telepath.com (Jon Mooneyham) Subject: Top 20 at the moment... It's pretty entertaining to see everyone's dirty undies (jazzbos, headbangers, industrio-noisehogs, reg'lar rockin' dudes, etc.) - here's mine, right now, in no partic. order... The Birthday Party - Junkyard Throbbing Gristle - 20 Jazz Funk Greats Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um Pere Ubu - Dub Housing Tom Waits - Small Change Mothers of Invention - Uncle Meat The Pop Group - Y Rahsaan Roland Kirk - Rip, Rig & Panic/Now Please Don't You Cry, Beautiful Edith Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come Alberta Hunter - Amtrak Blues Captain Beefheart & the Magic Band - Trout Mask Replica Barry Adamson - Moss Side Story Leonard Cohen - The Best of (Vol. 1) Funkadelic - Maggot Brain Al Green - Let's Stay Together Burning Spear - Marcus Garvey/Garvey's Ghost John Oswald - Plexure Mekons - Curse of the Mekons Martin Denny - Afro-Desia & a current fave - Cujo-Adventures in Foam Jeez, pretty testosterone-laden... not enough women. Ehhhh... Yrs, Jon M. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:44:45 -0600 From: fate@telepath.com (Jon Mooneyham) Subject: Top 20 Egos on Parade Hey, I'm as guilty as the next subscriber... BUT: With over a hundred messages from this list in the last 24 hours, I gotta say, there's nothin' like a Biggest/Coolest Dick contest (like this) to get everybody's fingers flyin' over the keyboard... ok, back to lurker mode. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:35:48 -0800 From: "Keith McMullen" Subject: Re: Top 20 Egos on Parade Hey Jon, You can reduce having a passion for music to dickness if you like. As for me, I highly value a bunch of people honoring one of the best things life and creativity have to offer. Music. I love it. And I love seeing what everyone really likes. Keith - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #295 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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