From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #528 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, November 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 528 In this issue: - Re: Sabbath in Paradise Re: Sabbath in Paradise Potlatch Michael Mantler Re: Michael Mantler Re: Collectors' corner (Tzadik Website) NYC electroacoustic radio alert 100 turntables Re: Collectors' corner (Tzadik Website) Re: Michael Mantler Re: Sabbath in Paradise Re: Sabbath in Paradise Michael Alpert Re: Sabbath in Paradise Introduction and NYC visit Re: Collectors' corner (Tzadik Website) Shea Re: Michael Mantler ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:48:27 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Sabbath in Paradise > Marc Ribot talks in his slightly drug-fucked way about a lot of things. > Because of his manner, most of the audience thought he was screamingly > funny and I think the highly intelligent philosophising he was doing > totally passed over their heads. I think the problem was that ALL of his playing made him out to be a punk rock guitarist, because I believe this footage probably came before his Bar Kokhba/Circle Maker work. > Also, a fantastic accordian player who also played guitar at one point, > and I'd be very grateful if someone could tell me who he was. That's Michael Alpert from David Krakauer's Trio (isn't he on the cd you mentioned at the end of your mail?) and I believe he is also in the Klezmatics. The first piece he sang with accordian is on David Krakauer's "Klezmer Madness!", it is The Ballad Of Chernobyl I think, to which he also wrote the words. > Oh yes! Also, a shortish excerpt from a beautiful Cobra session, > involving Marc Ribot for sure, and various others (can't remember or > didn't know), quite quiet, with scraping and tinkling percussion by most > of them and stuff... wonderful. I was under the impression that that was a portion of Kristallnacht (I haven't listened too much to it so I can't be sure). I'm probably wrong though. > Altogether an excellent movie. Filmed mostly on video I think, with some > very clever editing in some bits and at other times perhaps excessively > low-buget in feel, but who cares? Lots of excellent Jewish music, > wonderful live performances, snippets of rehearsal, and commentary from > the musicians (not including any direct-to-camera talking by Zorn, > interestingly) - what more could one seriously ask for? Well, um, some direct-to-camera talking by Zorn perhaps? A bit more than that "cut" at the end at least... But a great movie as you said. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:09:50 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert A. Pleshar" Subject: Re: Sabbath in Paradise At 12:05 AM 11/17/98 +1100, Peter Hollo wrote: >There were a couple of slightly more traditional klezmer musicians, whom >I didn't quite know... Andy Statman on clarinet and occasional mandolin, >an excellent musician but not particularly adventurous at all. Have you heard his quartet album from about a year ago called "Between Heavan and Earth?" You might be surprised. Rob - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:36:55 +0100 (CET) From: Oger Subject: Potlatch Information about new Potlatch CD releases : 1. Fred Van HOVE "FLUX" (double CD) Piano solo recorded live in january 1998. 2. Daunik LAZRO (sax)/ Carlos "ZINGARO" (violin,electronics) duo "HAUTS PLATEAUX". Recorded live in february 1995. 3. Michel DONEDA soprano sax solo "ANATOMIE DES CLEFS" Recorded in winter 1998. More information available at http://www.potlatch.digiweb.fr Jacques Oger - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:08:37 -0700 From: dennis summers Subject: Michael Mantler Best I can remember, we've never discussed Michael Mantler, who IMHO is truly one of the greats. He's had a relatively (slow but) steady and high quality output for over 3 decades. His work is highly literate and achieves a mood that nobody else touches. The reason why I'm writing this, is that I've seen at least one (maybe more) release on some obscure european? label, and am wondering if anyone out there knows of a MM discography. I've searched the web to no avail. And also if any of you european folks no which releases I'm talking about and want to trade or something, let me know. yours in zornocity --ds ***Quantum Dance Works*** ****http://ic.net/~denniss**** - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 98 11:37:32 -0500 From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Re: Michael Mantler Dennis wrote: >Best I can remember, we've never discussed Michael Mantler, who IMHO is >truly one of the greats. He's had a relatively (slow but) steady and high >quality output for over 3 decades. His work is highly literate and achieves >a mood that nobody else touches. The reason why I'm writing this, is that >I've seen at least one (maybe more) release on some obscure european? >label, and am wondering if anyone out there knows of a MM discography. I've >searched the web to no avail. And also if any of you european folks no >which releases I'm talking about and want to trade or something, let me >know. Hey, I'm pretty sure I've mentioned his 'Communications' at least once or twice, in comparison to Barry Guy's great 'Theoria'. The Mantler is one of my extreme all-time favorites, a unique an awe-inspiring work. It was also the first time I heard Cecil, and nothing has been the same since. I'm very fond of '13' (paired with Carla Bley's '3/4' on an early Watt release, one that I'm dying to see issued on disc; the power and density of '13' overwhelms the vinyl), 'No Answer', a setting of Beckett text with Jack Bruce, Cherry and Bley and 'The Hapless Child' (Edward Gorey's text sung by Robert Wyatt.) They're all very fine records. I've been less taken with subsequent releases that I've heard ('Live', 'Alien', 'Many Have No Speech'), though all contain at least a little of interest. Haven't seen anything of his not on WATT/ECM. Along ex-spousal lines, wasn't 'Escalator' performed somewhere in Europe last year? Any recordings of this event ever surface? Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:23:53 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Collectors' corner (Tzadik Website) On Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:26:03 +0100 Stefan Verstraeten wrote: > > Does anyone has a clue what happened with the collectors' corner on the > tzadik website??? > IMHO, the tzadik website seems nowadays like a T.T.M.A.R. - Website > (take the money and run). > No more zorn top 10, the artist info is most of the case outdated... > What's happening???? I think that they simply have nobody to take care of the site... Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:07:31 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: NYC electroacoustic radio alert press release follows: For a full 72 consecutive hours, all day on November 17, 18, and 19, WKCR-FM 89.9 in NEW YORK CITY, the original FM radio station, will be presenting an Electronic Music Festival. The festival will run the gamut, with everything from blocks devoted to particular artists, such as Karlheinz Stockhausen, Iannis Xenakis, John Cage, Pierre Henry, and David Tudor; to segments devoted to particular genres, such as Computer Music, Electronic Classical, Musique Concrete, Electroacoustic, Live Electronics, Electronics in Rock, Modern Electronica, and Noise. In addition, especially during the late night/early morning hours, there will be several freeform segments, during which our DJs will freely mix and mingle these and all kinds of progressive electronic music. Finally, there will be several live performances throughout the festival, featuring both NYC artists and artists from other parts of the country and world whose sounds will be conveyed to us and our listeners through networking technology. Jon - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:52:30 EST From: APoesia794@aol.com Subject: 100 turntables does anyone know anything about christian marclay's piece for 100 turntables? i'm familiar with some of his recorded works (records, more encores, zorn projects etc...) but would like to know more about this piece. are there any recordings of it? what and who did it involve etc. thanks peace jt - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:55:04 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Collectors' corner (Tzadik Website) In a message dated 11/16/98 12:27:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, proussel@ichips.intel.com writes: > On Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:26:03 +0100 Stefan Verstraeten wrote: > > > > Does anyone has a clue what happened with the collectors' corner on the > > tzadik website??? > > IMHO, the tzadik website seems nowadays like a T.T.M.A.R. - Website > > (take the money and run). > > No more zorn top 10, the artist info is most of the case outdated... > > What's happening???? > > I think that they simply have nobody to take care of the site... > I was under the impression that the sitemaster just got tired of trying to keep up with Zorn. I certainly wouldn't want to try... =dgasque= - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:55:01 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Michael Mantler In a message dated 11/16/98 11:12:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, denniss@ic.net writes: > Best I can remember, we've never discussed Michael Mantler, who IMHO is > truly one of the greats. He's had a relatively (slow but) steady and high > quality output for over 3 decades. His work is highly literate and achieves > a mood that nobody else touches. The reason why I'm writing this, is that > I've seen at least one (maybe more) release on some obscure european? label, > and am wondering if anyone out there knows of a MM discography. I've > searched the web to no avail. And also if any of you european folks no which > releases I'm talking about and want to trade or something, let me know. Sure wish he would go ahead and reissue _The Hapless Child_- his best LP, IMO. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:12:28 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Sabbath in Paradise Julian wrote: > > Also, a fantastic accordian player who also played guitar at one point, > > and I'd be very grateful if someone could tell me who he was. > > That's Michael Alpert from David Krakauer's Trio Isn't our own Ted Reichman the accordionist in the Krakauer Trio? He certainly has been for the last several years, and I know he also plays guitar (with Ezther Balint, among others). Shortish black haired lad with specs. Ted? Ya there? Course I haven't seen the film in question, but, as the Elephant Man said, "Oh, I shall, I shall." Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:20:07 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Sabbath in Paradise > > > Also, a fantastic accordian player who also played guitar at one point, > > > and I'd be very grateful if someone could tell me who he was. > > > > That's Michael Alpert from David Krakauer's Trio > > Isn't our own Ted Reichman the accordionist in the Krakauer Trio? He certainly > has been for the last several years, and I know he also plays guitar (with > Ezther Balint, among others). Shortish black haired lad with specs. Ted? Ya > there? The guy in the film is definitely Michael Alpert, and the guy on "Klezmer Madness!" is also Michael Alpert. Peter told me that there is a different accordianist on the new Krakauer cd, so I don't know who is the official accordianist, maybe used to be Alpert, and now Reichman? - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:43:10 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: Michael Alpert Just to clear everything about Michael Alpert, the band he would call home is Brave Old World, they've got two cds out, and he must have just been a guest on Krakauer's first Klezmer Madness cd. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:39:57 +0100 From: Yves Dewulf Subject: Re: Sabbath in Paradise >> Marc Ribot talks in his slightly drug-fucked way about a lot of things. >> Because of his manner, most of the audience thought he was screamingly >> funny and I think the highly intelligent philosophising he was doing >> totally passed over their heads. > > I think the problem was that ALL of his playing made him out to be a punk > rock guitarist, because I believe this footage probably came before his Bar > Kokhba/Circle Maker work. In an interview on the Belgian Radio yesterday, Ribot talked about his Jewishness. For him it is nothing more than playing in these Klezmer-scales and he is not at all so radical Jewish as Zorn. He acknowledges the political significance of the movement when it all started (as a reaction against the many right-wing groups in the music-bizz), but now it's a bit to political and nationalist for him. He prefers the pure music. He also talked about Klezmer and Cuban music having the same roots in Middle-Eastern Music. >> Oh yes! Also, a shortish excerpt from a beautiful Cobra session, >> involving Marc Ribot for sure, and various others (can't remember or >> didn't know), quite quiet, with scraping and tinkling percussion by most >> of them and stuff... wonderful. > > I was under the impression that that was a portion of Kristallnacht (I > haven't listened too much to it so I can't be sure). I'm probably wrong > though. Maybe you're talking about the piece "the Sand's Share" that was rehearsed in the movie. It looks like a gamepiece (at least Zorn is taking notes and showing cards), but most sounds are from his Bar Kokhba-vocabulary. Quiet and ambient indeed, very nice! To my knowledge this composition was not released up to know, but it was listed by Zorn on Aporias (or was it Angelus Novus). YVes - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:52:06 +0100 From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: Introduction and NYC visit Dear friends, I just subscribed to the list and I'd like to introduce myself. I live in Pisa, Italy and been interested in improvised music since the mid seventies, promoting festivals and developing other activities. You may have seen my liner notes on releases by Anthony Braxton, Evan Parker and several italian musicians; recently I developed an activity with the Italian Instabile Orchestra, promoting a Festival in Dec. 97, contributing to a book, and now organizing another 8 concerts that will climax in another three days in Dec. 98 celebrating the publication of a double Cd on Leo recorded I also published a Discography of Evan Parker and one of Mario Schiano, but I do not want to bore everyone with a CV. I'm not strictly a Zornhead, while appreciating many of the things the man does, including is style in the promotion/production field. However Brian (thanks) suggested that I join the list as many of the other subjects that I'm interested to were discussed before and the list was quite open minded (as confirmed by the very first messages I saw). I'll be visiting NY from Nov 24 to Dec. 2. I'll be reviewing gigs for Musica Jazz magazine so I'll be glad to receive any suggestions. I'll be also very happy to meet people on the list at the gigs, and to share any information or knowledge I may have on the italian/european scene; I have lectured about this subject before and also gave a course to NYU Summer Courses in Pisa for the past three years. If anyone is interested in organizing a lecture, public discussion, meeting, whatever, I'd be happy to participate. You can contact me at both my email addresses, home and workplace. fmartinelli@tin.it F.Martinelli@comune.pisa.it looking forward to hear from you.... - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:22:03 +0200 From: "J.T. de Boer" Subject: Re: Collectors' corner (Tzadik Website) Hi Stefan and other members, I have a question about the Tzadik collecter-cd's. I have the Duras-Duchamp album, and on the inner side of the back sleeve there's a print of Duchamp's Etant Donn=E9. It took a while before I mentioned this, but *could* this be one of the collecter's items? Best wishes, Jeroen > Hi, > > Does anyone has a clue what happened with the collectors' corner on the > tzadik website??? - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:59:48 +0200 From: "J.T. de Boer" Subject: Shea Hi all, thsi weekend David Shea did two shows in the city of Groningen. I invited him to come over here (I'm the music director of the Universities Theatre). The first night, november 14, he did the soundtrack of the incredible video-art documentary Dial H-I-S-T-O-R-Y. Shea played in front of the screen, and it was great to see how he blended into the film. Not because he was a perfect character for the movie, but because of the beautiful coherence between image and sound. Shea is one of the few sample-composer's by whom you don't have the urge to trie and recognize the material he is using. You're (well, at least I am) always captivated by the final compostion. If you haven't seen this film, go and see it if you can. It's shown a lot, so there's definately a chance to check out an appearance. The second night, november 15, Shea did four pieces. The first one was Trio for Solo Sampler. An eclectic piece, recorded for his first solo-album. Very funny (imagine a combination of pounding housebeat and banjo-playing)! The second piece was Satyricon. Again Shea was playing in front of the screen. The video was made by Lisa Dilillo, and also a must if you like like video/media-art. After the break Shea did Alphaville, a black and white movie. I didn't know it, and I think it was the weakest thing he did during the weekend, especially compared to his last piece: a dedication to the filmmusic of Tex Avery cartoons. He's working on a combination of the original cartoons and his music, but there seem to be quite some copyright-problems. He's coming over here again in june, together with Lisa Dilillo, to do new things during the new media and electronic music festival I'm organising. I'm looking forward to it! Jeroen PS. He's released a new album on Tzadik called "Classical Works". One piece he did with the incredible belgian Ictus Ensemble, another with Friedlander and Pugliese. I'll send a review later this week. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:10:26 -0500 From: philz Subject: Re: Michael Mantler >Best I can remember, we've never discussed Michael Mantler, who IMHO is >truly one of the greats. He's had a relatively (slow but) steady and high >quality output for over 3 decades. His work is highly literate and achieves >a mood that nobody else touches. The reason why I'm writing this, is that >I've seen at least one (maybe more) release on some obscure european? label= , >and am wondering if anyone out there knows of a MM discography. I've >searched the web to no avail. And also if any of you european folks no whic= h >releases I'm talking about and want to trade or something, let me know. > >yours in zornocity --ds >***Quantum Dance Works*** >****http://ic.net/~denniss**** > Here's a discography I picked up in '94 from Julian Christou on the prog=20 rock list... it's a it out of date, and I believe more of the Watt stuff=20 has been reissued on CD on the ECM label, but I have no idea how much. I=20 know I'd like it all, though :) philz Path:=20 panix!cmcl2!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.= com!=20 news.cs.indiana.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!olympus!christou =46rom: christou@olympus.as.arizona.edu (Julian Christou) Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive Subject: Re: Michael Mantler ? Date: 7 Sep 1994 16:32:59 GMT Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ Lines: 77 Message-ID: <34kpvr$eo6@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> References: <34jg4f$qo8@worak.kaist.ac.kr> NNTP-Posting-Host: olympus.as.arizona.edu In article <34jg4f$qo8@worak.kaist.ac.kr> icshin@chiak.kaist.ac.kr (Incheol= =20 Shin) writes: > >Hi, Folks > >I recently got my copy of Michael Mantler's live album. >To my surprise, it features Nick Mason, Jack Bruce(of Cream fame), >and Robert Wyatt !! >The music is kinda Jazz Rock and very interesting. > >But I have completely no idea about Michael Mantler. >Who is he anyway ? >Any info about Michael Mantler will be greatly appreciated. > I'm interested in the "live" album you have. Mine does not have RW on it. As for who is MM. A long time collaborator of Carla Bley - has played with various European Jazz/Rock musicians over the years. His music can be straig= ht jazz but more often than not setting poems and prose by contemporary authors to music, e.g. Edward Gorey - The Hapless Child, Samual Beckett - No Answer. Also you may wish to check out some of Carla Bley's works but especially Nick Mason's Fictitious Sports with music & songs by Bley and lyrics sung by Wyatt. Appended below in my discography for Mantler from my own collection giving label and release dates as well as musicians and track listing. Is your "Live" the same as mine? - -------------------- The Hapless Child And Other Inscrutable Stories WATT WATT/4 1976 LP Robert Wyatt; carla Bley; Steve Swallow; Jack DeJohnette; Terje Rydpal; Alfreda Benj; The Sinking Spell; The Object-Lesson; The Insect God; The doubtful Guest; The Remembered Visit; The Hapless Child; No Answer WATT WATT/2 1973 LP Jack Bruce; Michael mantler; Carla Bley; Don Cherry; Number Six (parts 1 - 4); Number Twelve (parts 1 - 4); Silence WATT WATT/5 1977 LP Michael Mantler; Carla Bley; Robert Wyatt; Kevin Coyne; Chris Spedding; Ron McClure; I Walk With My Girl; I Watch The Clouds; It Is Curiously Hot; When I Run; Sometimes I See People; Around Me Sits The Night; She Was Looking Down; For Instance; A Long Way; After My Work Each D= ay; On Good Evenings; More Movies WATT WATT/10 1980 LP Micheal Mantler; Philip Catherine; Gary Windo; Carla Bley; Steve Swallow; D Sharpe; Movie Nine; The Sinking Spell; Movie Eleven; Will We Meet Tonight?; Movie Thirteen; The Doubtful Guest; Movie Fifteen; Movie Fourteen; The Doubtful Guest; Movie Fifteen; Movie Fourteen; The Doubtful Guest; Movie Fifteen; Movie Fourteen; Movie Ten; Movie Twelve; Something There WATT WATT/13 1983 LP Michael Mantler; Carla Bley; Mike Stern; Steve Swallow; Nick Mason; Michael Gibbs; Twenty; Twenty One; Nineteen; Seventeen; Eighteen; Something There; Alien WATT WATT/15 1985 LP Michael Mantler; Don Preston; Alien Parts 1-4 Live WATT WATT/18 1987 LP Mike Mantler; Jack Bruce; Mick Mason; John Greaves; Don Preston; Rick Fenn; Preview/No Answer; Slow Orchestra Piece #3 (Pisonniers); For Instance; Slow Orchestra Piece #8 (A L'Abattoir); When I Run; The Remembered Visit; Slow Orchestra Piece #6; The Hapless Child; The Doubtful Guest; Many Have No Speech WATT WATT/19 1988 CD Michael Mantler; Rick Fenn; Jack Bruce; Marianne Faithfull; Robert Wyatt; Introduction; Just As Someone; Ce Qu'a De Pis; Alles Scheint Rand; Imagine; In The End; Vieil Aller; Rien Nul; Tant De Temps; En Face; Chaque Jour; PSS; En Cadence; Something There; Comrade; Den Atem Ausgettauscht; A L'Abattoir; And What; D'ou La Voix; Fous Qui Disiez; Merk, Jetzt; Son Ombre; Reve; Life Connects; Silence; Viele Haben Keine Sprache; - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #528 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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