Re: MtMan-List: The Great 1830 Hunting Pouch Search & Contest

[John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>]

Hawk,

Dean's tight on web space, send them to me.  jpg's are easiest I'll put
them up
on some extra web space I have and post the address for viewing.

John...


At 11:48 PM 7/29/98 -0400, you wrote:
>dont know of a end date on the contest yet but have some original pouches
>that I am goint to have photographed if you have a way to post----I can
>get them to bmp files---
>
>      "Hawk"
>Michael Pierce
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>On Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:00:09 -0400 sean@naplesnet.com (Addison O. Miller)
>writes:
>>Next month I am going to the Museum of the Fur Trade.  If there is a
>>shooters pouch there, rest assured I will take MANY pictures of it, 
>>and make
>>them available on my WWW page and send you all the address so you can 
>>DL any
>>pix of it you would like.  Hope this will help and you all can wait 
>>that long...
>>
>>Addison Miller
>>
>>>Washtahay-
>>> OK folks.  We've had a lot of palaver over one small feature 
>>of one bag
>>>the last few days.  So lets get down to brass tacks on this.  I want 
>>to
>>>locate an original hunting pouch that we can document as having been 
>>in use
>>>on the frontier in the years 1825 to 1835, with the target date of 
>>1830.
>>>Here are the criteria the bag must meet:
>>> "Frontier" is defined as Rocky Mountains, Santa Fe trade, 
>>Texas, or the
>>>Missouri River trade.  We should probably include bags in use in the 
>>St
>>>Louis area and west within Missouri.  While I would love to hear 
>>about the
>>>bags in use in the North during this time, that isn't the target 
>>area.  
>>> "Document" is defined as being able to objectively date as 
>>having been in
>>>use in the area defined as "Frontier".  By objectively, I mean by
>>>contemporary records or a chain of evidence.  The assignment of 
>>dates, for
>>>example Madison Grant's "ca 1820-1840" does NOT count, unless 
>>supported by
>>>other available information (an example being the bag he shows on pp 
>>74-75
>>>of KRHP).  If you can come up with a bag that went with the supply 
>>trains
>>>to Rendezvous, great!  But the bag used by some famous mountain man 
>>in the
>>>late 1850s isn't what we are looking for.
>>> The bag must be published or accessible to the public.  The 
>>folks on the
>>>list must have some way of accessing the bag, to examine and evaluate 
>>it
>>>for their own purposes.  Be prepared to furnish supporting 
>>documentation.  
>>>
>>> Prize?  Immortal fame isn't enough?  How about a rum horn and 
>>horn cup?
>>>Copied after the canteen shown on p 142  and the bottom cup on p 144 
>>of
>>>"The Powder Horn and its Architecture".  
>>> Let's run this for a week or so and see what comes out of the 
>>woodwork.
>>>Judge's decisions are final.  Hawk, John Kramer-are you guys willing 
>>to
>>>help me judge this?
>>>
>>>Let the hunt begin!
>>>LongWalker c. du B.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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