Re: MtMan-List: cutouts on clothing

["Barry Conner" <buck.conner@worldnet.att.net>]

The coat your talking about was Tom Toblin's, but the date the museum put on
it is wrong, because according to his grandson, now in his mid 90's. Toblin
was wearing this coat when he killed the Espensoia brothers and that was
15-20 years later than the date shown. Plus revolvers were carried by
several army officers at the time, they refused to help in the fight and
Toblin shot several with his Hawken and wounded one.

Charles Hanson put the sketch in the Mountain Man Sketch Book, with a remark
that the coat's location was unknown. Ray Turner, Dick Whitmer and myself
(AMM brothers)were in Durango several years after the sketch book came out,
in a small museum at the west end of town. I saw the coat hanging on the
back wall behind the counter, called my friends over and told them, "there's
Toblin's coat". An old man showing some people an apple peeler, that he was
cranking, came over and wanted to know how I knew that the coat was
Toblin's.

I explained seeing it in a book and the stories I had read about Toblin, he
became very interested and ask if we would like to see the rifle and a
letter written about Toblin's deed. Turn's out he's Tom Toblin's grandson
then in his late 60's, the letter was written for Kit Carson by an officer
as Kit could not write, but had placed his mark on the letter. The rifle was
a gift from the army for his deed and the reward money was never collected
from the government.

Oh, Toblin and Carson were related, cousins or second cousins ?

But the coat looked real close to the drawing that Charlie had done, called
and told him about the coat, was in the winter, the next spring he called
and wanted to see it, so we met and drove down together to Durango from
Loveland, Colorado. He took lots of pictures of it and tried to talk the
grandson into letting the musuem have it, never got anywhere with a deal.

So Kit Carson having one with cut out coat's like his relation is not a
suprise.

Buck
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From: RR1LA@aol.com <RR1LA@aol.com>
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Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cutouts on clothing


>one of the sketch books (sorry for no citation, but they are in storage
right
>now) shows a fringed southwestern style jacket with diamond shaped, red
>blanket wool cut-outs going up the lapels and around the collar, as well as
>around the cuffs. the top layer of the cuff and collar are also pinked.
this
>jacket also has an exterior top pocket. It (the jacket) is part of the
>collection housed at the Museum of Anthropology in Albequerque. It is dated
>circa 1823.
>
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